Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2017, 03:39:51 pm
1070s - 1080s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7471451#msg7471451) - 1090s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7548614#msg7548614) - 1100s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7600681#msg7600681) - 1110s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7617008#msg7617008) - 1120s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7628609#msg7628609) - 1130s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7643703#msg7643703) - 1140s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7682507#msg7682507) - 1150s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7707529#msg7707529) - 1160s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7727320#msg7727320) - 1170s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7752919#msg7752919) - 1180s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7792179#msg7792179) - 1190s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7819002#msg7819002) - 1200s-1210s (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7847644#msg7847644) - ...
Spoiler: List of Kings of Methiant, 1076-1134 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: List of Emperors of Methiant, 1135 - ?? (since 1196, Methiant-Cydwyl) (click to show/hide)
Name: Make up some (I might frown on names based on previous dynasticals, though)
Trait: Martial, Charismatic, Wise, Healthy, Lucky
Kingdom's boon: Happiness, Population, Economy, Army
Area: North, South-East, South-West
And that's all, and I'm sure you guys will be thrilled and curious by the 4th option included, so let's give this voting a while, hmm? :P
Post by: flazeo25 on May 22, 2017, 03:43:16 pm
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: Weirdsound on May 22, 2017, 03:43:48 pm
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: South-East
And that's all, and I'm sure you guys will be thrilled and curious by the 4th option included, so let's give this voting a while, hmm? :P
Post by: Aseaheru on May 22, 2017, 03:46:40 pm
-Wise
-Army
-South East
Post by: Draignean on May 22, 2017, 03:49:44 pm
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
Post by: Shadowclaw777 on May 22, 2017, 03:51:43 pm
Name: Drake Windfallow+1
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: Prophet on May 22, 2017, 03:52:35 pm
Wise
Army
South-East
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 22, 2017, 03:53:38 pm
Name: Yoe of Duede
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
+1, dudes!
Post by: Prophet on May 22, 2017, 03:54:30 pm
Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
Post by: Imic on May 22, 2017, 03:59:48 pm
+1Name: Drake Windfallow+1
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: ZBridges on May 22, 2017, 04:00:22 pm
+1+1Name: Drake Windfallow+1
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: NRDL on May 22, 2017, 04:25:52 pm
+1+1+1Name: Drake Windfallow+1
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: Ardent Debater on May 22, 2017, 04:27:15 pm
Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
+1
Post by: Culise on May 22, 2017, 04:30:34 pm
Name: Yoe of Duede
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
+1, dudes!
+1Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
+1
Post by: heydude6 on May 22, 2017, 04:35:24 pm
+1Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
+1
Post by: Criptfeind on May 22, 2017, 04:38:47 pm
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: South-East
Post by: birdy51 on May 22, 2017, 04:48:56 pm
Ok, it's official. I can't not participate in this game now.+1Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
Best suggestion yet!
+1
Post by: omada on May 22, 2017, 05:30:43 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 22, 2017, 05:35:08 pm
God damn. I can't decide.Well, we played a hardbitten soldier last time, and we had good fun with that run, but we should try something different. Why not a smooth talking son-of-a-gun who can spend his money on something other than constant festivals to please the people?
Post by: omada on May 22, 2017, 05:39:58 pm
...
...
You won. Let's hope our first son is wise and both unite the kingdoms through treachery and sweet words.
Ok, it's official. I can't not participate in this game now.+1Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
Best suggestion yet!
+1
Post by: Puppyguard on May 22, 2017, 05:55:29 pm
Trait: Lucky
Kingdom's boon: Economy
Area: South-East
Post by: HappyPlank on May 22, 2017, 06:37:33 pm
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: helmacon on May 22, 2017, 08:44:54 pm
...+1
...
...
You won. Let's hope our first son is wise and both unite the kingdoms through treachery and sweet words.Ok, it's official. I can't not participate in this game now.+1Name: Yoe of Duede+1
Trait: Charismatic
Kingdom's boon: Happiness
Area: South-East
Best suggestion yet!
+1
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2017, 11:29:56 pm
drake, drake, drake, drake, drake, drake, = 6
karl oxton, = 1
robert, = 1
yoe, yoe, yoe, yoe, yoe, yoe, yoe, yoe, = 8
lon, = 1
karl of crescent, = 1
Tight competition! Still, there's time to vote.
Post by: Prophet on May 22, 2017, 11:48:12 pm
Post by: TankKit on May 23, 2017, 12:44:13 am
+1Name: Drake Windfallow+1
Trait: Martial
Kingdom's boon: Army
Area: North
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 02:35:38 am
Which kills the immersion, until I noticed it could be an alias.
Until I noticed the place name making the pun. :V
Why Draig. WHYYYY D:God damn. I can't decide.Well, we played a hardbitten soldier last time, and we had good fun with that run, but we should try something different. Why not a smooth talking son-of-a-gun who can spend his money on something other than constant festivals to please the people?
+1 to Yoe.
Post by: Donuts on May 23, 2017, 03:12:43 am
+1 to the mighty Yoe!
Post by: TankKit on May 23, 2017, 03:59:11 am
Hell yes.
+1 to Yoe!
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 09:03:32 am
~~Northern Turmoil (985 AD - 1070s AD)~~
...and the Northern Turmoil, as my own peoples came to call it, was a time of great strife; soon after collapse of Grand Duchy of Tven, Atredh and Eón of of Dahnia fell in battles against Agaresians; meanwhile, a mighty war saw Lametanians and Ceodwells overtax and overwork their peoples, who rebelled, throwing their lots with local noblemen (or dwarves). The Dahnians soon descended into civil war, with three of Eón's sons vying for crown, until the Agaresians killed one of them and the other two had to form an union to survive.
The Union of Brothers happened in 1013 AD, and it was thought it would bring stability into region, but the Albions (people of Alba) began raiding the salt coasts in large numbers, using their swift Serpentboats, and the strained Kingdom of Dahnia soon fell into a hole it couldn't get up from. This caused many southern lands of Dahnia to rebel and alike their neighbours, fragment into petty kingdoms that would wage war amongst themselves for next five decades, with the impoverished Kiwis in the west and Kashites in the east doing little to profit from these wars.
It was this era of strife and instability that religion became once more dominant, and the recent arrival of Path of Alldivine warrior-priests shook the traditional faiths. A notion started by a ex-soldier turned philosopher, the Alldivines saw all various deities of various pantheons as 'concepts' that were divine and worthy of praise no matter their origin, and their self-discipline and emphasis on physical training and teaching of self-defense made them popular targets for families to turn their sights to. In span of decades, the Cloisters of Alldivinity sprung up across the plains from Felonsein to Hel, large settlements providing for and guarded by the Warrior-Priests.
By the late 1060s the fragmented kingdoms began to be united; by sword and torch, of course, some gaining as much as lands equal to a Kingdom of Luathbas in size, or greater, yet a united land under rule of one man seemed but a dream of the past...
"Before and After the Millenial" Chapter 15, by Cunn Ingwulf, Historian of the Kings of Hel
1076 AD
Victory! The foul Dumdum of Methiant has been slain by you and your fellow conspirators. The victims of the tyrant has been avenged, and your fellow conspirators chose you, Yoe of Duede, as the next King of Methiant! You're known amongst them as a charming, charismatic fellow, well suited to be a politician.
Here comes the youthful Advisor, with the proper instruments of administration in these parts: Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 5
Population: 3
Economy: 3
Army: 3
You're not sure what all those mean, and the Advisor is babbling poetically about these numbers. Oh well!
Quote
6
"Sire, our greatest asset is the silver mines in the northeast, lodged between the dwarven fortress of Zasitost and the Kashite Mountains, but these were always object of desire for many local rulers."
1076 AD, Spring
You have a visitor! It is the envoy from the local Cloister of Alldivines, Battlebrother Angst, who wishes to annoint you with holy oils of Alldivines and also talk business about possible additions of Battlebrothers into your Army.
A) Feh! I'm not gonna pour money into the coffers of Alldivines. I can do better than that!
B) Fine, let him in, the Cloisters of Alldivines can be useful allies after all.
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on May 23, 2017, 09:06:28 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 09:08:20 am
B
Post by: heydude6 on May 23, 2017, 09:10:25 am
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 09:17:01 am
"May all the powers supernatural bless you, King Yoe. I'm Battlebrother Angst of the Cloister of Tech, speaking for the authority of the Cloisterlords. We wish to supply you with the youths and veteran battlebrothers in return for lavish donations upon our altars. Would you be interested in such an agreement? Every two years or so, our ranks would be ready to send you your new soldiers."
A) "Agreed, let's make it formal."
B) "No, thank you."
C) "No, but can I procure men from you in times of emergency instead?"
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 09:19:44 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 09:21:33 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 09:28:08 am
Quote
He greets you with circular motion of his right hand, per Alldivine etiquette.Wow this is some fancy stuff.
Also wait how lavish and when, is what's important.
But probably not :I
A
They'll probably be corrupt...OR, it'll probably be the pantheon providing again, but with more!
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 09:38:59 am
The Dahnians soon descended into civil war, with three of Eón's sons vying for crown, until the Agaresians killed one of them and the other two had to form an union to survive.
So, we got really paranoid with that prophecy... and, this. The crow that got the crown would be the one that seeks our aid.
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 09:41:51 am
So, we got really paranoid with that prophecy... and, this. The crow that got the crown would be the one that seeks our aid.I'd love to say I told you so. :P But that'd be mean and blanketystatementy.
There was a grain of truth in that Dahnia went all 'BLAH SONS' and warr'd, but we should've really just gone to the Capital and found out ourselves anyway. [And time :P for big choices]
Hopefully we get the same heavy choices here and do it well, especially with a diplomat-type King.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2017, 09:55:08 am
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 10:10:17 am
1076 AD, Autumn
An offer of marriage from one of local kings! Specifically, Aun, King of Ceodwell, is offering his second daughter's hand in marriage.
A) Sure!
B) Naw.
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 10:15:25 am
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 10:20:29 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 10:22:28 am
Either it pays to be a wildly handsome new king or there's something up here, and in either case I want to know more.
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 10:28:57 am
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 10:37:26 am
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 10:41:41 am
The woman you marry few weeks later - Auga - turns out to be average in both body and mind, but as your maids note, she has a knack for knitting and embroidery. Your marriage is attended by a choir of Alldivine monks, chanting praises of all that is divine and asking the divines to bring you love, prosperity and many children.
1076 AD, Winter
The wagons full of silver arrive in your palace to fill the coffers of your Treasury!
Few days later you receive a letter from the Cloisterlord of Tech; the local cloisters have about a thousand of trained youth and a group of veterans, ready to serve in your Army, if you're willing to donate to the Alldivines.
A) Send the money, bring the warriors!
B) On other hand, that was a silly pact. Renounce it!
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 10:43:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 10:54:48 am
A
Post by: helmacon on May 23, 2017, 10:55:52 am
We just made this decision. We aren't that flakey.
Post by: heydude6 on May 23, 2017, 10:57:23 am
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 11:03:57 am
1076 AD, Midwinter
While you're eating dinner with your wife, munching on a roast duck, sudden there's a loud screech, and then an explosion that shakes the entire castle.
After you are informed that it is not an attack by some magical creatures, one of sentries informs you that he saw a flash of light in the nearby forest. After few hours, a search party locates few smashed trees, a crater and several fragments of shiny black rock in its centre.
"Sky iron, my liege!" Says one of your scholars as the pieces are brought in for examination. "A rare and magical rock, it is." You decide to...
A) Sell the rocks away for hefty amount of coin.
B) Have the Methiant smiths smelt it down into a trinket for your dear wife.
C) Call the dwarves to come and fashion this rare ore into something truly spectacular - for a price of course.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2017, 11:06:59 am
We ain't a warrior who has need of an artifact per say, but we are a diplomat, and might actually benefit from an excuse to meet the dwarfs.
Post by: Draignean on May 23, 2017, 11:07:41 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 11:22:01 am
None better in the airborne mineral business.
Post by: HappyPlank on May 23, 2017, 11:25:46 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 23, 2017, 11:33:21 am
Trinkets for the wife Goddess!
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 11:36:35 am
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 11:45:19 am
C
We ain't a warrior who has need of an artifact per say, but we are a diplomat, and might actually benefit from an excuse to meet the dwarfs.
C
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 11:45:47 am
C
Post by: Draignean on May 23, 2017, 11:47:25 am
Can we make it into a spear? So it doubles as our walking stick? :P
C
Spear?
Badass crown. Hell, badass crown set so our wife gets one.
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 11:52:48 am
Less than a week later, their representatives arrive. Smelly, with unkept beards, stained cloaks, dressed in blacks, browns and greens, the dwarven craftmasters arrive. Their bald leader smiles at you, showing his golden teeth.
"Greetings, human King of Methiant. We heard the call to come and we knew our purpose before your man arrived with message, as we saw the descent of the star. So we already prepared to craft Sky Iron into a bauble; a necklace that could turn away flying objects from your persona. Or we can fashion the metal into the blade of a knife, one that could cut both mundane and supernatural with great force. We ask for only some money, as we surely get enough leftover pebbles of Sky Iron to account for most of our services." You decide to...
A) Pay them for creation of a protective necklace.
B) Pay them for creation of an enchanted knife.
C) Reject their services after all, as you do not find them suitable to your needs.
D) Offer them to sell the Sky Iron to them instead.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 11:58:08 am
So let's go for B! Sky Iron Knife 2.0!
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 11:58:31 am
Post by: HappyPlank on May 23, 2017, 11:59:08 am
We're gonna die and lose it Buuuut it's still worth it
Nvmind. A
Post by: Draignean on May 23, 2017, 12:00:02 pm
I recall a story, from about a century ago, about how this entire mess could have been avoided if a particular grand duke had a necklace of arrow protection...
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 23, 2017, 12:03:17 pm
Seems just more usefull on average
Post by: birdy51 on May 23, 2017, 12:16:10 pm
Maybe it works on falling masonry too! Not to mention, we can let the missus wear it every once and a while too if it's pretty.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 12:18:35 pm
A
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 12:23:18 pm
The assassin fire an arrow. He miss
The peasant throw the first tomato, the tomato lands in the peasant own head.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 12:30:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2017, 12:55:22 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 23, 2017, 12:57:10 pm
We could even make it a regular pastime where we stand outside and have our courtiers and palace guards try to hit us with thrown objects. Of course, at some point it'll go wrong and somebody will accidentally kill us, and then the entire court will go into disarray and there'll be several years of winter and everything will go to hell.
We could do something akin to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhLuAMD_hDI) to intimidate our visitors.
Post by: helmacon on May 23, 2017, 01:10:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 23, 2017, 01:10:16 pm
The knife also wasn't super useful, since it requires that we enter into hand to hand combat with a magical beast. So. Mehhhh.
C
I think we can do better.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 23, 2017, 01:48:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 02:03:19 pm
"Now we shall go under the earth of your castle and there we shall work for hundred days and nights and then we will emerge with the artifact you have hired us to make." You tell the guards to take the dwarves to one of the deeper dungeon cells.
1076 AD, End of the Year
While you're reciting poetry to your dearest wife, the Advisor stumbles in at the worst moment and brings those Scrolls of Kingdom Status of his, and one other large scroll.
Happiness: 5
Population: 3
Economy: 3
Army: 4
"As you can see, my liege, our peoples are few and our coffers are mostly empty. Mayhaps we should raise the tax for next year, to provide enough coin for our various expenses?"
A) "Aye!"
B) "Nay!"
He unrolls the other scroll and sprawls it on your table.
"The scribes have consulted with caravaneers and librarians of the Cloister of Tech, thus being able to create a map of the local kingdoms and domains."
Spoiler: Current Map of Methiant and Its Many Many Neighbours (click to show/hide)
Post by: Criptfeind on May 23, 2017, 02:05:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 02:08:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 02:28:54 pm
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 02:48:44 pm
Oh, maybe we can together with Ceodwell and lametania secure a trade route between Gutba with the... what? EMPIRE?
and...hehehehe, Domain of Donuth hehehehehe
A Raise the taxes, we can put this money to good use.
Also, the "kingdom boon" it's just in the first roll to determine the first numbers or it helps the kingdom in general later as if it were part of the culture?
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 02:53:57 pm
Neither Luathbas nor Tven rolled a 6 on special so they haven't had any specials, duh.
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 03:56:58 pm
1077 AD, Spring
A message arrives from Lametania.
Their king claims ownership of the Southern Territories, or rather the Methiant part of it, citing various old sources plus the fact that before your predecessor's savage and expansionist rule, the land was full of Lametanians.
King Salus IV thus demands the return of the land to his people, either by agreement or per show of force. You reply that...
A) He can kiss your arse and take it only after he bests your soldiers!
B) You can agree to give away the lands only for properly big monetary payment.
C) You can agree to give away the lands, but he needs to make a really good offer for it, and you're not talking money here.
Post by: Draignean on May 23, 2017, 03:58:48 pm
A
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 23, 2017, 04:00:59 pm
Post by: omada on May 23, 2017, 04:02:26 pm
We always have time for A. later
Post by: NRDL on May 23, 2017, 04:08:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2017, 04:10:58 pm
I'm curious about what he is referring to.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 23, 2017, 04:18:41 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 04:19:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 23, 2017, 04:24:41 pm
Who the fuck does he think he is?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2017, 05:06:30 pm
Do the lands Salus Jr. wants include the Silver Mine?
A if yes
C if no
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 05:08:28 pm
Question:+1 I'll just change my vote to this.
Do the lands Salus Jr. wants include the Silver Mine?
A if yes
C if no
Post by: Criptfeind on May 23, 2017, 05:28:12 pm
At any rate.
C. You guys made your diplomatic instead of military bed, now you have to sleep in it.
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 10:12:23 pm
But we're prepared by centuries of
Also we have the
C
Because we lose land. Okay. It's troubled anyway, we're a rebel state, and we need to build up and boost our economy and whatnot.
We'll gain much from this, boost our tiny land, and instead of always investing in the relative order of 'soldiers' and the like (replenishment, mercenaries, taking tiny hits to economy in 1 or 2 values that are minor but in the long run, extremely important), or we can discover the lost trove of Luathbas and modernize our armies, get our econ in gear, help our trade routes be better, and rise and be bigger than before.
We never grew big enough to challenge the big guns D:
I'd suggest we think in the long-run this time, and that's after several times of failed states due to big bullies. :P
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2017, 10:34:10 pm
Goodness gravy, Methiant is in Luathbas D: It's the same surrounded-by-grumpy-neighbors as before!
But we're prepared by centuries ofguesswork and trial/errorknowledge!
Also we have thePantheon RemadeSoldiers of the Alldivines standing with us \o/
C
Because we lose land. Okay. It's troubled anyway, we're a rebel state, and we need to build up and boost our economy and whatnot.
We'll gain much from this, boost our tiny land, and instead of always investing in the relative order of 'soldiers' and the like (replenishment, mercenaries, taking tiny hits to economy in 1 or 2 values that are minor but in the long run, extremely important), or we can discover the lost trove of Luathbas and modernize our armies, get our econ in gear, help our trade routes be better, and rise and be bigger than before.
We never grew big enough to challenge the big guns D:
I'd suggest we think in the long-run this time, and that's after several times of failed states due to big bullies. :P
Yeah. I propose building a powerful confederacy of our neighbors rather than trying to tangle with them. Diplomacy suits us better than war.
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 11:34:32 pm
1077 AD, Mid-Spring
The dwarves emerge from their dungeon forge, carrying a large necklace; it is silver with small round pieces of black ore, most surely Sky Iron, some of the eyes of the necklace having ambers adorning them. The leader of the dwarves steps forward as his brethren keep the necklace in the hands.
"And here it is, human king, as promised, after 100 days we present you the necklace your asked for. It shall serve its wearer well, that we promise. Now, per the terms of our contract, we ask to be paid." You decide to...
A) Seize the necklace and throw the dwarves into dungeon!
B) Send for the Treasurer and pay the dwarves for their work.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 23, 2017, 11:37:46 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 23, 2017, 11:38:19 pm
We've never found Elven trade and relations back in Tven, now that I recall :(
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2017, 11:45:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2017, 11:49:48 pm
One day later a message arrives from Lametania.
Quote
6*
King Salus IV promises to pay you a mountain of wealth in return for the Southern Territories. Additionaly, he offers the hand of his eldest daughter to you in marriage, as well as to provide troops for Methiant in case of war, but only once. There's also a possibility of him surrendering one of the two family artifacts - Murder Time, an obsidian-head mace with iron shaft, which strikes with such magickal force that even smallest of wound bleed heavily and give pain to the unfortunate victim.
You decide to...
A) Sell the Southern Territories in exchange for the girl, troops and money.
B) Sell the Southern Territories in exchange for the artifact weapon, Murder Time.
C) Attempt to squeeze all four from King of Lametania.
D) Refuse to sell Southern Territories, citing inadequate price for the land.
Post by: Culise on May 23, 2017, 11:52:49 pm
A.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 23, 2017, 11:54:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 24, 2017, 12:00:45 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 12:22:19 am
Otherwise 'B'. Not the best deal, but it should at least make us useful in combat. King Salus IV is clearly a descendant of our previous character anyway, so I have no qualms about spoiling him a bit if need be.
Post by: Tiruin on May 24, 2017, 12:26:01 am
A... Assuming there is at least some historical precedent for polygamy....There is, in histories internationally. :P Polygamy and polyandry and several other relationships that aren't, what I assume, well known. Pretty much a lot of historical precedent when you check historical relationships.
A
Post by: Prophet on May 24, 2017, 12:26:59 am
A cute intersex harem with everyone in love with the androgynous king and smart and useful enough into pushing the kingdom forward.
The hopes and dreams of harem might finally be realized. ;-; I can only hope we won't have to mourn a second death of harem.
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 01:43:16 am
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 04:10:40 am
D
Post by: Ghazkull on May 24, 2017, 04:41:11 am
Post by: helmacon on May 24, 2017, 05:33:32 am
This is the kind of character we have. We don't seize things with our armies, we make other people fight for us while we marry their daughters and take their gold.
Hell, there isn't even any thing useful in this territory he wants. We are getting so much a better deal with this. Then, we he dies, we use our smooth talking to convince his court we ought to have his kingdom (with a few well placed bribes to help). We oceans 11 our way to the top.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 06:06:46 am
Most likely they have a male preferencing system set up, so if we want to take his land we must first destroy the sons.
But if we doing this we should use the preamble of the marriage to set up trade opportunities with them. Afterall, business strengthens relations.
I wonder if we can support any of the local trading families...
Post by: Donuts on May 24, 2017, 06:39:30 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 06:57:32 am
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 07:12:13 am
No seriously though,
Plan A: Get Lamentia, and Felonsein as allies -> Establish trade -> Finance army with said trade to up our military -> Attack Cydwil -> Either Annex or take the Eastern side of it to cut them off the forest and to give us borders with the closed kingdom -> Fight Closed Kingdom again to get solitary control of the forest. -> Enjoy a relatively easy to defend big territory with access to lots of wood. Getting that forest is almost adding half of our country onto it, and if we manage to get the enemies border to that forest we should have doubled our size, which puts us in the league of being on par with the Kashite Kingdom... I think if we managed to send an envoy to a border count of Gupta Empire we could get them to fight against the Kashites with us...
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2017, 07:51:07 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 24, 2017, 07:54:45 am
Post by: heydude6 on May 24, 2017, 08:22:14 am
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 08:52:45 am
1077 AD, Summer
The switch of lands went smoothly and an entourage of Lametanian soldiers arrives at your palace, with wagonloads of coinage and thrice-signed pile of documents which allows you to call upon Lametanians if needed.
Few days alter you become a father! Your wife Auga gives birth to a healthy baby boy, whom she names 'Estant'. He will succeed you as Yoe II, when you die and he of course does not decide to adopt some other regnal name.
1077 AD, Autumn
Disastrous news from northeast! The Cydwyl soldiers have crossed the Methiant border via north and raided several settlements, while a large contingent of troops is now laying siege to the fortified settlement near the silver mines.
The Marshal bursts into the room, the cape flowing behind him.
"It is time for us to CRUSH SOME ENEMIES, MY LIEGE!" He booms proudly. "Shall you join us on this expedition!?"
A) "VERILYYYYYYYYY!"
B) "Nah, you take charge of it, dear Marshal, I ain't no soldier."
C) "What expedition? Surely this is misunderstanding of sorts, I'm actually in middle of writing a letter to Cydwyl royalty, you see."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 24, 2017, 08:59:06 am
Post by: Imic on May 24, 2017, 08:59:12 am
He's right, we're not a fighter.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 09:04:45 am
I say if we can crush the invasion without too many causalities, we call in our favor from Lametania and counter-invade with the might of two armies.
Post by: helmacon on May 24, 2017, 09:09:27 am
We might not be a soldier, but having a name on the battlefield is a force multiplier for a charismatic guy.
Thus shouldn't be too high risk, so we go, just this once, to establish our reputation.
Post by: heydude6 on May 24, 2017, 09:19:01 am
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 09:19:30 am
Good thing we gave the lands to lamentia.
Otherwise our crapy army would be fighting in two fronts with our sorry excuse of a treasury supplying them
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 09:22:51 am
1077 AD, Mid-Autumn
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After month of fighting, the Marshal sends his report from the frontlines; the silver mines have been secured and the raiders drove out, but he reports that Cydwyl border forts are well garrisoned, according to his spies and scouts, and any retaliatory attack will surely be a bloody mess.
A) Press on! We shall pay Cydwyls eye to eye!
B) Then stay at the border and guard it.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2017, 09:28:58 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 09:29:57 am
I say we turtle up, remain as inoffensive as possible, and pick our fights against those who are already at war elsewhere.
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 09:32:17 am
Now is the time we write a letter.
Post by: Tiruin on May 24, 2017, 09:46:11 am
B
because we should be there WHEN THEY SURRENDER. :P
Otherwise I'd do C but everyone else does B O_o
But being there means you're there officially to involve yourself with their surrender.
And the terms that involves.
Edit: Well this still applies to the latest bit ._.
Post by: omada on May 24, 2017, 10:00:12 am
Now we write a letter demanding something
Cydwyl is the one that must be conquered to defend our silver mines more easily . But right now we need to weaken it.
Hmmm, an alliance with felonsein is okay for now. Long run we might grow hungry for the gold mine. But For now we would want to grow stronger before growing bigger. Id want more to fight the hurthlings (knock knock, it's the
Okay, we should Only strike when given opportunity like Detoxicated said.
Opportunity means civil war or another countries waging war. Our letters might help this.
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 11:02:18 am
1077 AD, Winter
An emissary from King Aun of Ceodwell have arrived!
He has heard of you selling away southern part of Methiant, and thus is asking that you return the ancestral lands of Ceodwells to him; that being the parts of Methiant that lie between Zasitost and the Ironbone Mountains.
King Aun is willing to pay you, his son-in-law, a proper tribute for next fifteen years in exchange for that territory.
A) Fine, that is the right amount for another parcel of land.
B) What is he, mad? I'm not selling away any more of my lands!
C) Naw, that just won't do, but let's try to squeeze some more money from our family!
Post by: heydude6 on May 24, 2017, 11:04:45 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2017, 11:15:43 am
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 11:18:36 am
B
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 11:20:47 am
Spoiler: Current Map of Methiant and Its Many Many Neighbours (click to show/hide)
Honestly, I say give it to him looking at the map. It looks like he is just asking for the small blips of land just north and south of his present border with us. I'm not sure how much land we gave up to Salus Jr., but this deal will likely give our father-in-law and our son's father-in-law a shared border. If they are hostile, we can exploit hostilities along the border in the long run. If they are friendly to each other, we have the foundation of a great confederacy of kingdoms on our hands.
Also, I say we give up the south, and focus on the North. North has proven hostile to us, north is where we expand. No point pissing off kingdoms on two sides and risking a two front war.
C, although I wish we had an option to request non-cash payments like last time.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 11:22:53 am
C, let's be the best used country salesman we can be!
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 11:26:56 am
I have never regretted sth so fast in my life
I don't think we've shit the hammock just yet.
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 11:30:20 am
>people ninjapost him
>tries to update
>vote gets tied in meanwhile
>MFW V:<
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2017, 11:31:21 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 11:34:15 am
Well, either that or sell everything and retire comfortably in the Republic before anyone notices what we've done.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 24, 2017, 11:35:56 am
But let's not forget our long term goal. Destroying the Kiwi kingdom!
The nobles will not like us for this...
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 11:37:11 am
We could theoretically just sell bits of the country to the highest bidder, use the massive amounts of gold generated to hire dwarves to build us a fortress on the silver mines, spend some decades perfecting our mining technologies and sorcerous abilities (get a Sorceress to help at some point), forming a new breed of corporate civilization under a similar ethos of vertical building and unfathomable greed that birthed the dwarves.(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder841/59658841.jpg)
Well, either that or sell everything and retire comfortably in the Republic before anyone notices what we've done.
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 11:37:43 am
1077 AD, Midwinter
Two messengers arrive; one from King Aun of Ceodwell, and the other is from Queen Karkhuta of Felonsein. Ceodwellian is here to negotiate on terms of the land selling; while the envoy from Felonsein refuses to talk publicly about his goal.
The guards ask which one you want to talk with first.
A) Let's conduct ongoing business before starting another: Ceodwell!
B) Surely we might be onto some even better deal: Felonsein!
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 11:38:43 am
Sure, why not, always keep 'em waiting.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 11:39:06 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 11:39:40 am
We've got the biggest lands, the best lands, people are lining up all the way up the block to buy them out from under us!
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 11:41:35 am
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 11:50:39 am
"Greetings, oh noble, gracious and most shrewd King Yoe of Methiant! My mistress and liege, Queen Karkhuta, have heard that you wish to sell some small parcels of land in your south to the Ceodwells. While she has no detail of the Ceodwellian offer, in her wisdom and generosity she offers you something even better - a dozen of the fearsome Blackheart siege engines, for your own use, along with a team of expert operators." Courtiers murmur and gasp at this wondrous offer; Fireblood powder is rare, expensive and hard to get or produce, and even more so a properly assembled team of Blackhearts, the siege engines in question producing lots of smoke, thunderous roars, not to mention they smash fortifications with ease.
"Furthermore-"
*SLAM!*"
"Now what's this!?" Yells the Ceodwellian envoy who just barged into the throne room. "How dare you, King Yoe, conduct business over the lands that you wanted to sell to my master, King Aun!"
"Why is this Ceodwellian let in? Do you have no guards, King Methiant!" The Felonsine diplomat steps aside to dodge a Ceodwell's fist.
"This is an outcry! Dishonor! Shame upon you! Those are Ceodwellian lands by promise and by ancestry! Begone, Felonsine pig!"
"As if!" The westerner shouts back. "We offer fearsome siege engines and not just few tons of cheap low quality silver from the land of poverty that is Ceodwell!"
They descend into a shouting contest. You decide to...
A) Have the guards remove the Ceodwellian so you may continue negotiating with the Felonsein envoy.
B) Shush both envoys and try to sneakily wrangle out a confession out of them - something's valuable hidden under the southern dirt and you seem to be the only one not knowing.
C) Have the guards remove the Felonsine so you may conduct business with the Ceodwellian instead.
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 11:51:36 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 11:53:43 am
B, let's be the great self-interested mediator we know we can be.
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 12:03:01 pm
B
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 12:05:26 pm
We can get a trade deal out of this...
Post by: NRDL on May 24, 2017, 12:10:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 12:52:27 pm
We can use those siege engines to smash those fortified bastards to the North. Hopefully we can work some diplomatic magic and find a way to get them without pissing our father-in-law off.
Post by: omada on May 24, 2017, 01:01:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 01:21:37 pm
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Unfortunately they do not spill the beans (crafty bastards!), and repeat their plea to be the sole negotiators for the deal.
A) Have the Felonsine leave so you may conduct business with the Ceodwellian instead.
B) No deal to both! We just gotta find out the secret of the southlands in some other way, though.
C) Have the Ceodwellian leave so you may continue negotiating with the Felonsein envoy.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2017, 01:22:17 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on May 24, 2017, 01:23:40 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 01:27:23 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on May 24, 2017, 01:29:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 01:32:36 pm
Post by: omada on May 24, 2017, 01:40:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 24, 2017, 02:19:24 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 02:45:08 pm
Later that day, few of your courtiers speak with you.
"Shall we leave this secret of the southland as is, my liege?"
A) "Nah, we will send our spies east and west to find out why our neighbours want this land so badly."
B) "Nah, we will buy services of the dwarves - after all, they're experts in matters of soil and rock."
C) "Yes - until someone tells us the truth, it will be settled on and farmed on as any other part of Methiant."
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 02:45:59 pm
I admit, I neglected their services last time and rad-poisoned the kingdom. I believe the dwarves are honest.
Post by: HappyPlank on May 24, 2017, 02:48:05 pm
Post by: heydude6 on May 24, 2017, 02:49:25 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 02:53:14 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 24, 2017, 03:11:27 pm
Post by: omada on May 24, 2017, 03:13:50 pm
I would say A but it can backfire
The worst case they will try to use it as advantage to create ANOTHER fortress.(Look, they have three chunks of lands, and they might not be paying nobody in the mountains.) But we can always deny to close a deal.
Post by: Prophet on May 24, 2017, 03:19:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 03:43:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2017, 11:36:21 pm
The dwarves arrive a week later, and these are different than the smelly crafters - these earth experts wear plain greens and browns, and they aren't very dirty.
"Greetings King Yoe. We heard our services are required so we come to offer them. We hear you need someone to check the soil and rock of your south land, and we can do that for a small price." They hand a parchment to the Treasurer, who reads it over and paces up to your Throne.
"We can afford that, thanks to the money we got from selling land to Salus IV."
A) "Fine then! Go and provide summary of the wealth of the soil in south of Methiant, dwarves."
B) "Let's negotiate the terms of payment first, dwarves - can we postpone it?"
C) "Naw, I changed my mind. Maybe some other time."
Post by: Draignean on May 24, 2017, 11:39:46 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2017, 11:40:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2017, 11:41:30 pm
Post by: NRDL on May 25, 2017, 12:06:11 am
Post by: HappyPlank on May 25, 2017, 01:14:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 25, 2017, 06:30:51 am
A
Now I wonder what had happened to the Hurthlings in the past...century of anarchy and stuff, post-Estwalf.
Haspen! May you answer that? :3 Or will we find out later?
Edoot:
Spoiler: This is a theme where my thinking follows (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aseaheru on May 25, 2017, 07:01:28 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2017, 07:09:39 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 25, 2017, 07:18:54 am
"Thanks too" Are they demanding a mountain of wealth as a small price? I wish we had some more exact numbers here.I'm betting at worst, 2 econ. Commonly it is 1 econ, but we [players] aren't that aware of the fluctuating tax + seasonal stuffs happening, so I'm guessing.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2017, 07:20:03 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 25, 2017, 07:23:08 am
That's what I would have thought too, but the way the adviser worded it is strange. We should be able to afford it either way, with or without the payment.I'm trusting it to him being young and new--all our folks are young and new since we're a (seemingly rightful) rebellion King anyway. So I pictured the ol' "Advisor leans in and tells you this thing".
I mean, it's not like he said it out loud that our client can hear him speaking.
Post by: Haspen on May 25, 2017, 09:51:04 am
Now I wonder what had happened to the Hurthlings in the past...century of anarchy and stuff, post-Estwalf.
Haspen! May you answer that? :3 Or will we find out later?
That is stoopid question considering they're on the map V:
You agree to pay the dwarves. A contract is made, in two copies of course; one ends in your hands, the other the dwarves take with themselves.
"We should be done with our work within a month, King Yoe." They bow their bearded heads and leave.
1077 AD, Late Winter
The guards say that dwarves are back from their survey; the guards also say that there's an impatient diplomat hailing from Domain of Donuth, asking for a private audience.
A) I will talk to the dwarves first!
B) I will talk with the envoy first!
Post by: S34N1C on May 25, 2017, 09:53:39 am
Post by: Draignean on May 25, 2017, 09:54:16 am
Dwarves have the patience of stones. Envoys do not.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2017, 09:57:26 am
A
Post by: Aseaheru on May 25, 2017, 10:04:54 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 25, 2017, 10:09:18 am
Hark, 'tis Dunkin of the House of Donuth! I'd recognize his disagreeable manner anywhere!
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2017, 10:14:37 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 25, 2017, 11:04:14 am
Just on the off chance B has something to do with the land, I'd rather be educated first.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 25, 2017, 11:05:11 am
Post by: Haspen on May 25, 2017, 11:55:28 am
"Greetings, King of Yoe! We have tested the soil and rock of the south lands. They bear small amounts of sulphur, copper, coal and saltpetre. The soil is mildly fertile and naught a precious nor metal of crafts is to be found with great amounts there." You thank the dwarves and the Treasurer provides payment to the dwarves.
Your Advisor and Spymaster speak with you.
"My liege, saltpetre, sulphur and coal are few of the ingredients of the Fireblood." Says the Spymaster.
"It is however rare to find all three so close to each other. Clearly, the Felonsines and Ceodwells heard about this recently too, and are in such a great rush to have it."
"Felonsines have Blackhearts and thus is no surprise to see them try to procure ores of minerals they need for them, and I guess your father-in-law wishes to have his own Blackheart unit as well."
"Can we mine for these minerals and make our own Fireblood?"
"Aye, but we need to obtain the formula and the alchemists skilled in making it and someone to cast and operate the fearsome siege engines, first."
As for the southern land, you decide to...
A) Invest into mining of the ores and claim them all for yourself.
B) Sell the mining rights to your father-in-law, King of Ceodwell, and of course at a great price.
C) Sell the mining rights to your western neighbours, the Felonsines, hopefully at a great price.
As for the matter of Fireblood, Blackhearts and the related craft...
A) You will obtain them from the Felonsines, perhaps in a way of trade.
B) You will send spies and agents to buy, steal and procure the things in one way or another.
C) You won't be pursuing this new invention at the time.
//Remember, no split votes.
Post by: heydude6 on May 25, 2017, 11:57:27 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 25, 2017, 12:24:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 25, 2017, 12:31:37 pm
Lets not piss people off with spies. It would be nice if we could have the Fireblood, but if the Felonsines don't want to sell their secrets, we can just mine the stuff anyway. We can either sell it or stockpile it. I'd imagine once word gets out that we are sitting on a stockpile, we will be approached by potential buyers and alchemists seeking materials/work.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 25, 2017, 01:07:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 25, 2017, 02:52:48 pm
Post by: NRDL on May 25, 2017, 04:07:36 pm
AA Again economy is key to making them dependent on us, also lets up our military
Post by: HappyPlank on May 25, 2017, 04:36:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2017, 04:56:46 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on May 25, 2017, 06:27:29 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 25, 2017, 10:02:42 pm
Post by: Ardent Debater on May 25, 2017, 10:16:08 pm
Post by: TankKit on May 26, 2017, 12:08:20 am
AA batteriesOI, that's my line!((A reference to one of my votes in the original SPAMKINGDOM))
AA
Post by: Imic on May 26, 2017, 09:40:16 am
Post by: omada on May 26, 2017, 12:39:39 pm
Hmmm, Our spies aren't buffed but our charisma is.A,A if it fail, spies on the go.
These siege engines shall prove useful against the north
Post by: Tiruin on May 26, 2017, 09:58:50 pm
;~;Now I wonder what had happened to the Hurthlings in the past...century of anarchy and stuff, post-Estwalf.
Haspen! May you answer that? :3 Or will we find out later?
That is stoopid question considering they're on the map V:
Stoopid question! D:
No I mean, like what had happened to them right AFTER Estwalf died x.x sorry. Like the history of xenophobia and such--with Singularist and Damdamian faith being fully anti-these-nice-folks.
...Wow, it's an AA vs AB here.
Lesee :3
A obviously wins for first choice.
Second choice is:
A 9 (including quote-votes)
B 4
WELL! :o
If we do A, Ceodwell may be grumpity grumps. But we got the Felonsians on our side anyway?
B may be quite ._.; due to what if they find out anyway by our results?
HM >_> A is more straight forward and probably lessens diplomatic relationship hits, B helps on a roll but I'm unsure on the diplomatic hit from it.
A, B. :P
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 02:53:25 am
Next, you allow the diplomat of Donuth to enter the throne room. The pudgy man wears the black cloth of his tyrant's banner around his belt.
"Greetings, King Yoe. My master sent me on important and delicate mission of diplomacy..." He glances left and right at your courtiers. "...that he wants conducted eye-to-eye, privately."
A) Naw, this is a trap, it's always a trap.
B) Press him to talk in public.
C) Fine, to a side chamber we go.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 27, 2017, 03:17:04 am
Post by: NRDL on May 27, 2017, 04:31:35 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 27, 2017, 04:56:11 am
I mean if we may get a 6, there's still either a 'yes' or 'I'll tell you why they want to do that D:'
Post by: omada on May 27, 2017, 06:33:27 am
B If the Donuts wants to talk with us he might talk here. Won't risk getting a sharp diabetes on the neck. And gotta use that charisma bonus :v
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 27, 2017, 06:40:32 am
IT IS ALWAYS A TRAP
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2017, 06:44:32 am
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2017, 10:24:31 am
We could take a single gaurd, right? He was super impatient. Assassin's are always patient and smiling. Give this guy a chance.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2017, 10:59:19 am
C
We could take a single gaurd, right?
This might be possible but when you vote C you are specifically voting for not doing that.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 27, 2017, 11:15:32 am
Post by: Prophet on May 27, 2017, 11:43:10 am
Post by: heydude6 on May 27, 2017, 11:49:50 am
C
Post by: crazyabe on May 27, 2017, 12:19:43 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2017, 12:40:03 pm
B, what's the point of charisma if we don't try passing speech checks.
My thoughts exactly, B
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 12:49:54 pm
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You compel him with your voice to speak plainly in public.
"My lord wishes to form an alliance with you. The Felonsines in the west have too much power and too much appetite for land, and they also have Blackhearts. Only a fool of a neighbour would not see the danger they pose." He steps forward and speaks with a more of a hissy tone.
"Join usss, King Yoe! Together with you, my lord Dunkin will be able to assault the westerners from two sides. Think of loot, and territories, and prestige you could gain from this venture!" Courtiers whisper and murmur, each surely having a different thought about the proposal.
But it is you who has to decide.
A) An alliance with the Donuth could be profitable indeed. Let's become on closer terms with them!
B) Truly, Dunkin of Donuth is a fool for thinking we would stand against the Felonsines! No alliance!
C) For now we need to be neutral, but let's promise Donuth that we won't help Felonsines either.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 27, 2017, 12:51:56 pm
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Dunkin of Donuth>:(
Post by: Aseaheru on May 27, 2017, 01:22:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2017, 01:23:38 pm
Hum...
Post by: TankKit on May 27, 2017, 01:27:58 pm
I'm not sure if we should be on the side of the clearly evil people.Yes.
Hum...
A
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2017, 02:06:11 pm
Quote
He steps forward and speaks with a more of a hissy tone.When your dealing at the top levels of government, it's only a matter of time before you run into the reptile people. 5/7 for realism.
"Join usss, King Yoe!
A
If reptile people are good enough to rule the real world, they are good enough to rule this one.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 27, 2017, 02:22:10 pm
Yeah, how about we go on the side of B for this one.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 27, 2017, 02:25:58 pm
Post by: heydude6 on May 27, 2017, 02:36:43 pm
Let's go C instead for now. Once we get our recipe, then we can get it.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2017, 02:48:02 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 27, 2017, 02:53:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 02:55:33 pm
Few days later, the revenues from silver mines arrive in your Treasury.
1077 AD, End of the Year
Just after you finish a lenghty debate with your courtiers about the local beer industry, the Advisor brings in the Scrolls of Kingdom Status for you.
Happiness: 4
Population: 2
Economy: 5
Army: 4
"Thanks to the cash we've got from selling the southwest to Lametanians, not only we were able to cover all the expenses we had this year, but also keep some profits. What is unfortunate is that most of our peoples are now subjects of Lametania, my liege. Our settlements are sparse, and peasant families few between. Should we begin a long-term project to build new homes for immigrants and homeless?"
A) "At once! What's the King without subjects to rule, after all?"
B) "Naw, that isn't as important, considering our current affairs."
Post by: Aseaheru on May 27, 2017, 02:58:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 27, 2017, 03:02:03 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2017, 03:09:29 pm
Planned construction reduces squalor. By preparing now, we prevent some unhappiness down the line!
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 03:14:24 pm
1078 AD, Spring
A Felonsine diplomat has arrived. He looks slightly miffed ot be at your court.
"Greetings, King Yoe. I'm here because my masters wish to see some trade done with your little estate. They're still wanting those ores of yours, so here's the deal they offer; you will send ingredients for Fireblood every year to Felonsein Kingdom, and every two years, my masters, in their gratitude and generosity, shall send you ten Blackhearts with their crews and enough Fireblood to last them a week of sustained fire." Your courtiers murmur and grumble.
"Do we have a deal?"
A) "Heck no. That's a scam!"
B) "How about something different?"
C) "Sure, we have a deal.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 27, 2017, 03:21:08 pm
Post by: heydude6 on May 27, 2017, 03:21:50 pm
This may be our chance to negotiate for fireblood. We have a charisma bonus after all.
Post by: NRDL on May 27, 2017, 03:27:25 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2017, 03:54:34 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 27, 2017, 04:08:40 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 27, 2017, 04:16:33 pm
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While she has no detail of the Ceodwellian offer, in her wisdom and generosity she offers you something even better - a dozen of the fearsome Blackheart siege engines, for your own use, along with a team of expert operators.
This is what they offered to buy all the land. Now they want to pay that for just 2 and a bit years of supply.
I hope the original option remains open, but still B.
B
Post by: HappyPlank on May 27, 2017, 04:43:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 04:59:28 pm
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The diplomat thinks for a while.
"My masters might be willing to send you some money with the first unit of Blackhearts, considering you will profit from our agreement one year later than us?"
A) Try to squeeze something extra from them.
B) Agree to this slightly better deal.
C) Refuse to negotiate this robbery any further.
Post by: ZBridges on May 27, 2017, 05:00:11 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 27, 2017, 05:09:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2017, 05:14:24 pm
Post by: omada on May 27, 2017, 05:38:38 pm
It don't looks that pleasant. but if we press more things can backfire. B
But we can put our alchemists to work with this first bonus money, and put our spies working harder to protect their butts from sabotage.
Maybe raise some funds with Ceodwell, if they help us to fund the blackheart study.
about a possible felonsine war, what Donuth don't expect is that we might be fighting in 3 fronts. Salus shall come with us.
Post by: NRDL on May 27, 2017, 05:39:35 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 27, 2017, 06:03:53 pm
Otherwise B
Post by: heydude6 on May 27, 2017, 07:20:09 pm
Looks like we'll have to reverse engineer it ourselves
Post by: crazyabe on May 27, 2017, 09:17:06 pm
A.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 27, 2017, 09:24:13 pm
Er we said we wouldn't help them... This sounds like thats what we are doing.
A.
We lied.
Post by: Tiruin on May 27, 2017, 09:34:32 pm
Love this punnery :PQuoteDunkin of Donuth>:(
Also what is stopping Dunkin...or the Ceodwells? [Someone correct my trade deal connections please] from just steamrolling over their neighbors since they've got nice siege engines?
Must be the upkeep/maintenance.
B
They're trading us something they've the tech to improve; we're providing raw material. We've never been on the tech scale on 'competent'.
And I love that there's 15+ posts [1 page+] of discussion on this ♥
Also we can do A or C after talking 'nice offer, but do you have any other idea too?'
I mean they can't just go "BLAH, NU", and quit just because we asked something that anyone merchant-ly would ask, right? :P
Post by: omada on May 27, 2017, 10:12:45 pm
They got a bunch of terrain but have borders with many. if they steamrolled in direction of the kiwi we (for example) would use that chance to screw them from everywhere (And donuth should be thinking of this. if EVERYBODY decided to grab a bit of Felonsien they would be doomed.)
What are the chances of we creating a big alliance of small kingdoms and trying to be some kind of "president" asking for funds for the common being of everybody? It would be almost like rulling everybody. But we could use sweet words instead of swords. And just fight before it one enemy to close ties in blood and being brothers in arms.
Yes i am drunk and i don't know if i am having stupid ideas :V
And now i can't remove from my head this: i will create in a RPG a magical sword that give bonus to charisma, the sword will be named Sweet words, S-Word for short :v
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2017, 11:17:46 pm
We can be the Swiss of this world; selling our services in battle and goods, while simultaneously remaining neutral when it matters most. Our soldiers will fight in foreign fields for the glory of the Great Coffers, and lo, we shall be rich!
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2017, 01:11:44 pm
1078 AD, Summer
Two weeks of torrential rain have left many farmlands flooded or otherwise wrecked. Peasants across the country bemoan their losses while provincial governors and village elders plead for crown officials for material support!
A) And they shall have it! Dispense with money at once!
B) Naw, we can't spare a single coin, they will have to endure.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 28, 2017, 01:12:32 pm
A
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2017, 01:13:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2017, 02:40:29 pm
1078 AD, Autumn
A report arrives from the new mineral mines in the south; both locales begun digging for sulphur, coal and saltpeter, which come in relatively small amounts.
Few days later two people wish for audience; one is Battlebrother Questin of the Augas Cloister, and the other is a young prospector and jeweller merchant who says he has a splendid opportunity for the Crown. You tell the guards to...
A) Let in Battlebrother Questin first.
B) Let in the prospector-merchant first.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2017, 02:41:47 pm
Battle brother is going to cost us money I bet. Lets see if we'll have any extra to spend.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2017, 02:44:27 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 28, 2017, 03:41:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2017, 03:47:03 pm
"Greetings, King Yoe, on this joyous day! Here I was, traveling through the eastlands of your vast kingdom, whereas I talked with some villagers and obtained a precious bit of knowledge - gemstones lie in the mountains to east, my lord! With my keen eye and your sponsorship, I can have mining camp set up, where precious aquamarines and emeralds can be mined for! So how about it?"
You decide to...
A) Refuse to sponsor his mining enterprise.
B) Ask him to tell you details about those gemstones.
C) Gladly provide him with money and supplies he needs.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 28, 2017, 03:49:31 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2017, 03:52:07 pm
Post by: Imic on May 28, 2017, 03:54:17 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 28, 2017, 03:55:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
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He talks oh so marvelously and so wisely about these gemstones! He is the man of the craft and wisdom he speaks of. While some of your courtiers grumble about how eager you are, you shush them and sponsor the man right away!
The prospector bows several times on his way out of the door.
The Battlebrother is let in next.
"Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant. I am Battlebrother Questin, on an errand from the Cloister of Augas. As we have received the message from our brothers at Tech, we have been forming a troop of thousand youth under guidance of handful of veterans. Pray tell, good King, do you wish to procure their services in return for donations to our altars?" You tell him that...
A) You won't be buying services of the warrior-monk-mercenaries today.
B) You will gladly exchange your money for the services of the armed faithful.
Post by: Imic on May 28, 2017, 04:02:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 28, 2017, 04:13:02 pm
Shit, now we know something's afoot with the gems.The 1 may just mean we didn't get a choice.
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2017, 04:15:30 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 28, 2017, 04:18:22 pm
Post by: Playergamer on May 28, 2017, 04:39:58 pm
A.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 28, 2017, 04:47:29 pm
Post by: omada on May 28, 2017, 05:03:06 pm
bah, We got problems with north and got a big neighbor armed with fireblood in a land governed by warlords, we need to keep strong. but the money...
started with 5 wealth
+1 felonsien
-1 settlements
-1 flood
-1 gem
-1 warriors-monks (if we buy)
2?
-1 sulphur and stuff mine?
1??
I didn't put the silver mine in the math. They will arrive somewhere in the end of the year. i think.
together with the taxes. that will bring us back to 4 or 3
Can't we rent our troops? I think the kashites won't be THAT mad for we stealing their jobs :P
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 28, 2017, 07:42:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2017, 11:41:38 pm
1078 AD, Winter
First loads of sulphur, saltpetre and others are packed up and sent westwards, just as silver from the other mine arrives at your Treasury.
1078 AD, Midwinter
"Orcs?"
"Aye, King Yoe." The Ceodwellian envoy takes off his beret. "The mongrels, not seen around these parts for centuries, raided few settlements in the soutwest of my liege's kingdom. As he is dealing with some unruly Kashite and Gubta elsewhere, he has shortage of men and thus asks you, his son-in-law, to provide some troops for about half a year or so."
A) "Sure thing, orcish plague must be dealt no matter the cost!"
B) "Send my apologies to your master, as I have simply no one to send him."
Post by: Aseaheru on May 28, 2017, 11:44:43 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on May 29, 2017, 12:29:09 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2017, 05:29:34 am
B
Post by: Kashyyk on May 29, 2017, 05:44:04 am
A
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2017, 09:38:00 am
1078 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor once again brings you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status:
Happiness: 4
Population: 2
Economy: 2
Army: 4(3)
"The Kingdom isn't doing that well, sire. The settlement project is progressing slowly, but should bear fruit in few years. We have shortage of funds though. Is there anything you wish to do about it?" You decide to...
A) Hold fast and perservere with your sheer will.
B) Raise the tax of commoners for a year.
C) Put the settlements project on hold for now.
D) Halt the project, raise the tax.
Post by: crazyabe on May 29, 2017, 09:41:26 am
We have Happiness to spare.
Post by: HappyPlank on May 29, 2017, 09:47:57 am
Post by: Detoxicated on May 29, 2017, 09:51:02 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 29, 2017, 09:54:22 am
We have happiness, but when sh*t hit the fans we don't want a civil war
We have 2 Population, it'll be fine.
B!
Post by: NRDL on May 29, 2017, 12:22:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2017, 12:30:29 pm
1079 AD, Summer
Your soldiers return from Kingdom of Ceodwell! Their numbers thinned out by a fifth, but they bring tales of their brave exploits and many victories against the orcs, as well as letter of gratitude from your father-in-law.
1079 AD, Midsummer
Your beloved wife gives birth to a boy!
Alas, the child was born still. The maids weep while your courtiers curse the heavens for this insult to your family.
1079 AD, Late Summer
There's much rejoicing in the court when a messenger arrives with report from the prospector. Apparently, he has already struck crystals and jewels of white and yellow and pink coloration. Your Treasurer, judging from the report, considers this more of a source of income rather than any worthwile bantering good. Still, money is money!
At the end of the report, the prospector-now-manager promises to have the first caravan of jewels brought to your palace by Winter.
1079 AD, Autumn
While cleaning out an old cottage that once belonged to the falconer of previous tyrant of Methiant, your servants stumbled upon a treasure cache!
They've discovered an oaken chest buried under the floor of the cottage. Inside the chest, there were layers upon layers of flax cloth, with some flasks of old perfume and a curious item between the folds; the item being a round amulet made of cast iron and infused with orichalcum, giving it an awesome 'streaky' appearance. The scholars and priests detect a tinge of magic inside the item, but they have no idea what powers it might have or where did this amulet came from, as there's nothing about it in daily chronicles of tyrant's life.
You decide to...
A) Give the trinket to your wife to ease her suffering.
B) Declare it Crown Jewel of Methiant and wear it yourself.
C) Sell it away for some quick cash.
D) Search for a Wizard or Sorceress to determine the powers of this item.
Post by: birdy51 on May 29, 2017, 12:35:31 pm
Baubles for the wife! Mayhaps it may bless your further children with super strength!
Post by: NRDL on May 29, 2017, 12:35:57 pm
Post by: Playergamer on May 29, 2017, 12:39:09 pm
nope magic bad and we need cash.
at the very least go D before giving it to her.
Post by: TankKit on May 29, 2017, 12:42:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 29, 2017, 12:44:40 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2017, 01:21:17 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 29, 2017, 01:44:35 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on May 29, 2017, 02:27:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2017, 02:30:35 pm
1079 AD, Mid-Autumn
The Felonsine caravan arrives at your palace ground!
The fearsome Blackhearts, large bronze tubes as tall as bedroom chamber of yours, are rolled into the castle. Ten of these siege engines are cared for by fifty men each; forty drag them around on wheeled platforms while others seem to be tending to chests and boxes that are under lock and key.
The commander of the Blackheart unit salutes you. "Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant. Per agreement with my masters, I and my men are here to serve you. The thunderous roar of our inventions will scare your enemies away; and their castles will shake and crumble under the might of our stone projectiles."
They're given loggings and they settle into the castle easily.
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By the evening, the Spymaster and Advisor are by your side, with preeliminary report from the Spymaster: no Fireblood scriptures were found in the belongings of the Felonsines nor there are previously mixed amounts of Fireblood in the chests and boxes; all the crews brought were large amounts of coal, charcoal, saltpetre, sulphur, some jars of pine resin and even black oil. Some chests are kept under Felonsine guard and thus haven't been checked yet.
The Advisor sighs and looks at the Spymaster, then at you.
"Should we attempt to discover the secrets of Fireblood with less subtle means, sire?"
A) "Yes, bribe and threaten the Blackheart crewmembers so they spill the beans; surely the Fireblood formula is in their heads!"
B) "Yes, search through all the boxes, even the heavily locked ones; surely the Fireblood formula must be kept under tightest lock!"
C) "Nah. We have Blackhearts, Fireblood, and the operators. We don't need anything else at the moment, and we might stumble upon the secret in the future anyway."
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 29, 2017, 02:36:46 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 29, 2017, 03:58:30 pm
Our character is CHARISMATIC, it's gotta come in handy, right?
Post by: ZBridges on May 29, 2017, 04:01:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2017, 04:26:45 pm
Can we get the option to counter-attack whoever the fuck it was from the North who attacked us at the beginning of the game now? We have the answers to their fortifications, and could use their land and populous.
A.
Our character is CHARISMATIC, it's gotta come in handy, right?
I don't think 'A' means personally bribing and blackmailing the crew, so I doubt our bonus applies.
Post by: Prophet on May 29, 2017, 04:36:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2017, 04:46:44 pm
1079 AD, Winter
Frostlings! Frostlings has come amidst heavy blizzards!
A menace that has not been seen in your lands, nay, entirety of the region, for more than four centuries, has been seen descending from the Rainbow Lizard, Ironbone and Hurthling mountains!
The undead men who wear thick furs and rusted weaponry of their ancient lifes, have no chill for the living. Travelers say they've attacked Felonsein, Ceodwell, Cydwyl - and Methiant. By now a host of six hundred of them is ravaging the silver mines to the northeast!
Scholars undust the old tomes to search for weakness, but naught is really found; steel does not work against their dead bodies, nor fire is able to lick and consume their permafrozen flesh. Only by sheer numbers or awesome firepower, one can fell the Frostlings, your scholars say.
Emergency council is convened, upon which some decisions are made.
As for possibility of reinforcements from Lametania...
A) Nay, we will need them for later.
B) This is best opportunity to call them!
As for battleplan against Frostlings...
A) Send the Army along with Blackhearts to blast these wretched undead apart along with their mountains!
B) Send the Army northeast and attempt to find best place and time to beat the Frostlings.
C) Gather forces and adopt some defensive tactics, but don't attack Frostlings yet.
As for your participation in this campaign...
A) Naaaaaaah, I think I will stay in the Palace.
B) BUT OF COURSE!! ONWARDS, TO GLORY!!
//No split votes pls.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 29, 2017, 04:50:59 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2017, 04:59:58 pm
A
B
The Frostlings are also attacking Cydwyl. If we deal with our own problem, we can push north across the border and attack a weakened Cydwyl next.
Post by: crazyabe on May 29, 2017, 05:29:59 pm
A.
A.
Post by: Prophet on May 29, 2017, 05:38:10 pm
B
A
Post by: ZBridges on May 29, 2017, 05:38:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2017, 06:42:13 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 29, 2017, 06:52:52 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 29, 2017, 08:32:36 pm
We're not using our 1-time card on these folks :v they're like those lizards but...dead and cold and 600.
And this is a great time to test the Blackhearts! We're also going to charisma the stuffing out of this, because morale matters too D:
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2017, 05:20:27 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2017, 05:28:44 am
if only because that might shield us better from one-and-done "you rolled a 1, get fucked" situations.
I'm not actually sure about this. It's really hard to tell obviously, and it could go either way. But it seems often in battles we seem to get a lot of rolls and any low roll starts stacking up penalties that lead to a death spiral. Like, if a 1 fucks us no matter when we roll it, rolling six times seems worse then rolling once. You get what I mean? Not to mention the more time we spend doing dangerous rolls, the higher chance of us getting a string of bad rolls, in a war that can be game ending, but it can sometimes not be too bad if they are related to individual macro events. Of course, sometimes we can recover from a low roll when we are out on a campaign, it's not a strictly worse thing. But I don't think it's as cut and dried as more rolls is more gooder.
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2017, 11:15:05 am
I kindly feel like, after reading back on details and context and Haspen's pen-ning, that it really seems people forgot the army that fought against Estwalf...was mostly archers.if only because that might shield us better from one-and-done "you rolled a 1, get fucked" situations.
I'm not actually sure about this. It's really hard to tell obviously, and it could go either way. But it seems often in battles we seem to get a lot of rolls and any low roll starts stacking up penalties that lead to a death spiral. Like, if a 1 fucks us no matter when we roll it, rolling six times seems worse then rolling once. You get what I mean? Not to mention the more time we spend doing dangerous rolls, the higher chance of us getting a string of bad rolls, in a war that can be game ending, but it can sometimes not be too bad if they are related to individual macro events. Of course, sometimes we can recover from a low roll when we are out on a campaign, it's not a strictly worse thing. But I don't think it's as cut and dried as more rolls is more gooder.
So it was flavor to do arrows, not so much the reasonable [rolls means what weapons are used :O] presumption instead!
So2 there was a presumption that 'if roll = bad; maybe spear or non-arrow instead', in this case, could still make sense, however it seems that the roll is context-bound rather than the context being bound to the roll entirely.
:P
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2017, 11:18:19 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2017, 11:23:05 am
I can't parse what you just said in a way that relates to what I said and you quoted.You were guessing rolls affect the flavor/scenario. I noted that Estwalf died to arrows...because the main army composition of our foe was archers. Context describes the roll value of the dice, not seemingly the other way around.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2017, 11:24:26 am
Post by: omada on May 30, 2017, 12:01:28 pm
Fire don't work against them, why use our Fireblood?
Use strategy and make they fight unfair numbers. guard the fireblood to when we seize oportunity to strike the cydwyll If they roll bad against the frostlings.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2017, 12:09:21 pm
Fire don't work against them, why use our Fireblood?
Well,
[...] Only by sheer numbers or awesome firepower, one can fell the Frostlings, your scholars say.
Can't imagine what else they could have meant by that second one.
Post by: omada on May 30, 2017, 12:22:10 pm
steel does not work against their dead bodies, nor fire is able to lick and consume their permafrozen flesh. Only by sheer numbers or awesome firepower, one can fell the Frostlings, your scholars say.
Our siege stuff is based on fire and the chaos that can't be extinguished easily (Quote from last game)
"A thick, greasy, reddish-black substance that can be made solid with help of certain powdered mixture. With proper care and handling, a length of rope can be attached, lit and the grease-ball tossed at one's enemies, setting their camp aflame. The substance is hard to extinguish and easily wreaks havoc upon the foes."
I think Firepower can mean others things like stupid amounts of arrows, rocks falling, bullets from ak-47 or shit that can be thrown.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2017, 12:27:41 pm
[...] and even more so a properly assembled team of Blackhearts, the siege engines in question producing lots of smoke, thunderous roars, not to mention they smash fortifications with ease.
And Fireblood by that measure is Greek fire that got turned into gunpowder along the course of technical innovation.
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2017, 12:46:43 pm
re: Flammable zombies&Blackhearts:
Technically if you apply Fireblood on Frostlings who aren't done in by fire, you would get well-armed tough zombies running towards you while on fire, and that's bad methinks v;
Blackhearts is indeed fancy name for bombards, or very large basilisks. Definitely a late Medieval cannon thing.
You decide to lead the Army yourself, backed by fearsome Blackhearts! The courtiers and officers cheer your name!
Congratulations! King Yoe embarks on his first military campaign!
During his absence, the Advisor and Queen Auga will take care of palatial matters, diplomacy and such.
It takes several days for the Blackheart units to roll northeast. Your people would be at the site of the silver mines at least a day earlier if not those heavy, cumbersome things they need to escort.
The silver mine is abandoned by your miners, wrecked beyond recognition and full of Frostlings milling about the place, say the scouts. It seems that the Frostlings are unaware of your presence, or aren't really in any haste to wreck the rest of your holdings.
A) Blackhearts away! Bombard the damned things with death from above!!
B) Time to harass them with horsemen and archers, while the rest of the Army waits nearby.
C) All units - chaaaarrrgee!
D) Let's wait for now and see what the Frostlings will do.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2017, 12:53:16 pm
Well, if you've got artillery you might as well put it to use.
Post by: NRDL on May 30, 2017, 01:12:20 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2017, 01:15:18 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on May 30, 2017, 01:20:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2017, 01:25:34 pm
A bunch of scattered dudes means that our shots can't kill more then a few at once, and we're pretty limited on ammo methinks. Should set up in a defensive situation and see what's going on.
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2017, 01:34:42 pm
For next few minutes, they huddle up near their crates and together they mix in various ingredients. Then, Fireblood and large stone projectiles are loaded into the large metal tubes of Blackhearts.
With hot red pokers, the little knots on top are lit. Then there's sizzli-
You can swear you hear thunders that day, and day became night from all the smoke! The mining site goes up in puffs of snow and dirt.
The first salvo ends abruptly and the Felonsines prepare another, cleaning the tubes with large brushes and cloth.
Just as they're ready to load and fire another salvo, scouts bring back urgent news; the Frostlings began their march toward your positions! You decide to...
A) All units - attack, attack!
B) Continue bombardment for another salvo, and then we will see what to do next.
C) Horsemen and archers will go and harass the approaching undead, the rest stays with Blackhearts.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2017, 02:10:20 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2017, 02:13:47 pm
They're ready to go after all.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 30, 2017, 03:21:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2017, 04:02:54 pm
By the time the salvo is finished, the Frostlings have almost approached your position!
A) It's time for soldiers to chaaaarge! CHARGE I SAY!!
B) Retreat with the cannons while horsemen and archers harass the approaching corpses away from you!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 30, 2017, 04:05:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2017, 04:06:10 pm
Well, they did say overwhelming numbers beats them too. I imagine we outnumber the frostlings a fair bit.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 30, 2017, 04:07:23 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2017, 04:14:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 30, 2017, 04:21:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 30, 2017, 05:08:37 pm
There is a chance our CHA bonus might apply to something inspirational like orders to charge, but no chance in hell it would carry over to tactical stuff like B.
Post by: omada on May 30, 2017, 06:07:27 pm
By the way now i'm glad the people voted for bringing the blackheart :v
Although we think we didn't exploded a bulk of them in the first volley, just a bulk of the mine itself.
Whatever it certainly saved a bunch of our soldiers ass.
Next frostling attack we send scouts to lure them into enemy lands.(?)
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2017, 07:10:41 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on May 30, 2017, 08:17:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2017, 09:21:16 pm
Blackhearts is indeed fancy name for bombards, or very large basilisks. Definitely a late Medieval cannon thing.I will never forget those leafworms. :P
A
I wonder if 'overwhelming force' meant something that goes 'they don't really "get disabled" by a sword or weapon to vital organs but they're just tough'.
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2017, 11:39:26 pm
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Your men ride and run against the Frostlings, meeting them in the fray. There's no retreating as the soldiers hack, crush, trample, shoot and slash at the frozen zombies.
After about an hour it is done - the Frostlings are destroyed! You have suffered about one casualty per slain undead.
Your scouts report that there were only a couple of Frostling bodies in the silver mine, which means that Blackhearts aren't particularily good anti-personnel weapon.
With the battle finished, you decide to...
A) Conclude the campaign.
B) Stay around for few days while scouts check the surroundings for any remaining Frostlings.
C) Stay around for few weeks while an expedition goes up the mountains to search for any remaining Frostlings.
Post by: Playergamer on May 30, 2017, 11:43:59 pm
We can't afford to fight this battle again. We need to pull up the roots.
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2017, 11:53:04 pm
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After about an hour it is done - the Frostlings are destroyed! You have suffered about one casualty per slain undead.So not even a -1 to our army value ♥ Hooray for ~500.
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Your scouts report that there were only a couple of Frostling bodies in the silver mine, which means that Blackhearts aren't particularily good anti-personnel weapon.2.
:v
Recalling bronze cannons(?), that's pretty much a nice note.
C
Maybe this isn't even their main force.
Post by: crazyabe on May 31, 2017, 07:50:02 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 31, 2017, 07:55:00 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 31, 2017, 10:32:12 am
Perhaps we can develop ammo that might be better suited for the job. We'll have to talk to the alchemists about this!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 31, 2017, 11:41:53 am
Post by: Detoxicated on May 31, 2017, 11:47:18 am
Post by: omada on May 31, 2017, 12:38:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 31, 2017, 01:02:39 pm
1079 AD, Midwinter
The expedition returns, short of few men; they have found no more Frostlings, although the heavy blizzards persist and your agents report that elsewhere the walking dead are still causing trouble.
During a council with your officers, you decide to...
A) Camp around the mines for another few days.
B) Conclude the campaign.
C) Send another expedition, this time further into the mountains, and wait for their return.
Post by: Detoxicated on May 31, 2017, 01:06:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 31, 2017, 01:07:36 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 31, 2017, 01:08:34 pm
Post by: omada on May 31, 2017, 01:25:16 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 31, 2017, 01:25:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 31, 2017, 01:39:01 pm
1079 AD, Late Winter
Though the blizzards continue to blast the land!
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Many men freeze to death and even you catch a fever and cold that puts you under blankets.
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After several days you get better, although healers believe you should stay in the tent, near the brazier fires.
Finally! About three days after your bout of fever, the expedition returns; only half of the thirty men return, and they failed to venture far into the mountains. No Frostlings were seen, but they felt uneasy and weren't able to sleep well during camp time.
A) Clearly something's afoot. We should stay around for another month.
B) Let's get out of here before the snow covers us all!
Post by: Draignean on May 31, 2017, 01:51:13 pm
Local King drives back undead menace threatening his mines, but is unable to locate their source. Soldiers sent to investigate the mountains from whence the undead came return empty handed, if they return at all. The survivors of the expeditions report growing feelings of unease as they traveled, and a strange malevolent presence that prevented them from sleeping.
Seriously, how is that NOT the bulletin that gets every adventurer within a dozen leagues hot and bothered twixt the nethers?
Bah.
A
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 31, 2017, 01:57:16 pm
Post by: Imic on May 31, 2017, 02:25:47 pm
Where's the 'hire adventurers' options? This is exactly when you grab adventurers!I agree. A
Local King drives back undead menace threatening his mines, but is unable to locate their source. Soldiers sent to investigate the mountains from whence the undead came return empty handed, if they return at all. The survivors of the expeditions report growing feelings of unease as they traveled, and a strange malevolent presence that prevented them from sleeping.
Seriously, how is that NOT the bulletin that gets every adventurer within a dozen leagues hot and bothered twixt the nethers?
Bah.
A
Post by: Criptfeind on May 31, 2017, 02:33:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 31, 2017, 02:46:26 pm
If are are not being presented with the option to push north and blindside Cydydel while they are dealing with their own Frostlings, we should go home.
It is likely the Frostlings bothering everybody share a source, so lets let some other nation handle it.
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 31, 2017, 02:51:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 31, 2017, 02:55:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 31, 2017, 03:32:33 pm
Post by: heydude6 on May 31, 2017, 03:45:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 31, 2017, 03:57:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 31, 2017, 07:34:26 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on May 31, 2017, 08:05:02 pm
...I had an idea of what could happen if we got a 1 on such a roll but I don't want to give Haspen ideas :P
Post by: omada on May 31, 2017, 11:05:57 pm
Where's the 'hire adventurers' options? This is exactly when you grab adventurers!
Local King drives back undead menace threatening his mines, but is unable to locate their source. Soldiers sent to investigate the mountains from whence the undead came return empty handed, if they return at all. The survivors of the expeditions report growing feelings of unease as they traveled, and a strange malevolent presence that prevented them from sleeping.
Seriously, how is that NOT the bulletin that gets every adventurer within a dozen leagues hot and bothered twixt the nethers?
Maybe when we come back we can put an add
"looking for trouble? check the mountains, sinister things happen this way.
We offer a prize for each frostling head and an huge favor to the one that finds it's source and deal with it.
Now bye and die."
B The cold is gonna be bigger trouble than the frostlings. Better return in the summer.
Post by: Haspen on May 31, 2017, 11:36:14 pm
Congratulations! Yoe concludes his campaign!
1079 AD, End of the Year
You were sipping wine while looking through the windows at the blizzard going crazy outside your palace, and then the Advisor brings in Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 3
Population: 2
Economy: 3
Army: 3
"My liege, the revenues from silver mines were lost, although gemstones and tax got us some profits to counter the ongoing settlement project."
You ponder the possibilities but will all those 3's, you don't see any good choice there.
1080 AD, Spring
People are alarmed.
The heavy blizzards and snowfall continue despite the time of year requiring the snow to melt and the weather to give away to winds and spring rain. Messengers from elsewhere report better weather and Frostlings being dealt with; Cydwyl especially managed to destroy their horde as fast as you.
You also receive a messenger from Kingdom of Ceodwell.
"Good King Yoe," he begins, "The lands of my master have recently received an influx of migrants from Gubta and the Kashite, and the streets and alleys of Ceodwellian cities swell with homeless. He has heard that you're building new villages across your land - mayhaps you could take some of the homeless to your lands?"
A) "No, we don't need easterners here!"
B) "Is he offering anything in return?"
C) "Sure, we've shortage of peoples anyway."
Post by: omada on May 31, 2017, 11:41:19 pm
We will let these people anyway. Worst number possible in this charisma is 3. :v
Post by: Weirdsound on May 31, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 31, 2017, 11:50:37 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 01, 2017, 01:28:02 am
"Nope"
'Eh, I'll take them"
B
Post by: Detoxicated on June 01, 2017, 03:45:28 am
having some guptas is surely a Boon for our realm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 01, 2017, 08:29:51 am
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 11:18:04 am
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"He might be willing to compensate you with money if he sees that you're truly taking the hordes into your lands."
A) "Sure, it's a deal then. Homeless from Ceodwell are welcome here!"
B) "Naw, I want real money if I'm to take some poor scum in. Begone!"
Post by: Criptfeind on June 01, 2017, 11:26:06 am
Welp.
It kinda sucks how little we actually got for selling our land previously. But maybe this will somehow work out and fix it a little bit.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 01, 2017, 11:28:22 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 01, 2017, 11:29:03 am
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 11:32:04 am
1080 AD, Mid-Spring
Already hundreds cross the now-open borders to your lands, and even the weather (blizzards giving away to rain by now) aren't dampening their spirits.
He he.
In the other news, flooding! Farmlands and valleys are covered with water as the heavy snow melts and create brooks and streams where previously there were none. Many areas are affected and governors call for aid!
A) And the Crown will answer! Send them money and supplies at once!
B) My thoughts and prayers to the affected people, the Crown stands by their side daily.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 01, 2017, 11:33:59 am
A
Post by: Criptfeind on June 01, 2017, 11:39:55 am
Post by: Detoxicated on June 01, 2017, 11:48:25 am
Post by: helmacon on June 01, 2017, 11:50:55 am
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 12:35:49 pm
1080 AD, Summer
The snow is no more, but the water has done its course. Farms are ruined this year, meaning that little will be harvested, and people are already going about hungry, many not even wishing to think about autumn and the upcoming winter.
Of course, people once again turn toward you in hopes their mouths will be fed.
A) Nope, their mouths will remain empty.
B) Once again, I shall feed them.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 01, 2017, 12:50:42 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on June 01, 2017, 01:31:49 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2017, 02:00:56 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 01, 2017, 02:08:42 pm
I expect a very awkward discussion with the treasurer soon.
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 03:34:41 pm
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People praise your leadership. Thanks to the generosity you have offered, nobody will starve this year. Citizens of Methiant are now much happier!
1080 AD, Winter
Silver mines, gemstone mines and mineral mines all bring their payloads to your Treasury; the last ones are sent westwards per agreement with Felonsines.
1080 AD, End of the Year
"The latter half of the year was quite peaceful my liege, don't you agree?" The Advisor unrolls the Scrolls of Kingdom Status on your table.
Happiness: 5
Population: 3
Economy: 2
Army: 4
"With the influx of peoples from the east, our settlement project should be brought to conclusion sooner, my liege. The people are happy, at least, although our Economy rating looks rather low. Do you wish to amend that, my liege?"
A) "Naw, we good for now."
B) "Yes, we shall raise tax to increase our revenues next year!"
Post by: birdy51 on June 01, 2017, 03:41:53 pm
It will undoubtedly be used for public services, such as emergency food finding.
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 01, 2017, 03:42:04 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 01, 2017, 03:42:08 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 01, 2017, 03:44:50 pm
I'm torn, but I'll go with A, just to keep the option alive perhaps.
Post by: ZBridges on June 01, 2017, 04:05:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 04:10:18 pm
1081 AD, Summer
Battlebrother Angst from the Cloister of Tech arrives for audience.
"Greetings, King Methiant. I'm here on the behalf of my Cloisterlord, to ask whether you are interested in buying the services of a thousand strong and well-trained men? We know that you pased on previous offer from our brothers in Augas, so if you do not wish to hire more faithful, we will understand and seek our sponsors elsewhere."
You decide to...
A) Hire them monks to boost the Army numbers.
B) Decline the Cloister's offer once again.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 01, 2017, 04:13:58 pm
Haspen: How much economy do we gain from tax normally per year? (Assuming we don't hike them up)
Post by: Detoxicated on June 01, 2017, 04:28:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 01, 2017, 04:35:06 pm
Seems like a last chance to keep these guys in our pocket.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 01, 2017, 04:36:07 pm
Post by: Draignean on June 01, 2017, 04:37:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 01, 2017, 04:40:00 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 01, 2017, 04:44:41 pm
A
Its like permanent mercenaries!
Post by: Playergamer on June 01, 2017, 04:54:56 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2017, 06:37:37 pm
Post by: omada on June 01, 2017, 07:01:10 pm
although this text seemed a lot like a goodbye.
Post by: ZBridges on June 01, 2017, 07:06:37 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:09 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2017, 08:26:42 pm
AA
They're like mercenaries but better anyway. Until we get our army reformed, I say buy them always instead of levying our people, and save a bit of econ for them as they meet us...annually.
Post by: Haspen on June 01, 2017, 11:39:35 pm
B
Haspen: How much economy do we gain from tax normally per year? (Assuming we don't hike them up)
Just enough to cover your expenses ;v
If you have 8 or more Pop, you get extras.
If you have 1 Pop, you lose money from inadequate taxation.
You accept the offer of mercenary faithful. Battlebrother Angst thanks you, blesses you, and leaves.
The people in question arrive at your capital after two weeks.
1081 AD, Midsummer
A new host of Blackhearts and their operating teams arrive in Methiant! You now possess over twenty of these fearsome siege engines of flame and smoke.
1081 AD, Late Summer
"Sire, there's an envoy from Dahnia who wishes to talk with you."
"Then ask him into the audience room." The guard coughs.
"I meant, he wishes to talk with your privately."
A) "All diplomats are equal, therefore he has to ask for audience."
B) "Alright then, search him and direct him to my chambers."
Post by: Elephant Parade on June 02, 2017, 12:24:43 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 02, 2017, 12:32:47 am
Post by: Elephant Parade on June 02, 2017, 12:43:54 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 02, 2017, 01:03:29 am
Didn't we tell them we wouldn't trade with the Blackheart people?
No, we told that to the Donuthian diplomat (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7467141#msg7467141). We haven't spoken to the Dahnians yet.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 02, 2017, 01:41:34 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 02, 2017, 01:46:07 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 02, 2017, 02:39:56 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 02, 2017, 03:01:45 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 02, 2017, 03:29:52 am
Sending an assassin seems like something Dahnia would do, but they don't have any reason to want us dead.
We're hardly ones to talk, being apparently the inheritors of the Luathbas area, home of some of the most dishonorable assholes of the 10th century.
B
Post by: NRDL on June 02, 2017, 03:34:06 am
Post by: omada on June 02, 2017, 10:16:00 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 02, 2017, 10:25:41 am
Fuck off assassins.
Post by: Haspen on June 02, 2017, 03:29:58 pm
After being told by the guards he isn't carrying concealed weapons, you meet with the nevoy.
"I bring an offer of profitable alliance with my Dahnian masters, King Yoe." He says in hushed tone.
"Strike now with your fearsome Felonsine contraptions against Cydwyl! My King, Daen II, will reward you handsomely if you manage to tie up Cydwyllian forces in the south, whilst he conquers to north."
A) "Agreed, we will go to war against Cydwyl."
B) "Unfortunately, I believe my kingdom is simply not ready yet."
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 02, 2017, 03:32:31 pm
We've got 5 Army, we've got Blackhearts, it's time to crack their border forts open and make them pay for daring to try and take our mines. Plus I don't recall us actually reaching any kind of peace treaty with Cydwyl after they invaded us, so technically we'd just be resuming an assault.
Post by: NRDL on June 02, 2017, 03:32:40 pm
Post by: omada on June 02, 2017, 03:37:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 02, 2017, 03:48:39 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 02, 2017, 04:39:37 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 02, 2017, 05:10:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 02, 2017, 05:17:41 pm
Your officers meet with you at a council, during which the Marshal asks the obvious question:
"Will you lead us to death or glory, my liege!?"
A) Nah.
B) Yea.
Post by: omada on June 02, 2017, 05:20:34 pm
But i think that it might be useful write some letters demanding surrender.
In this case would be nice to go to the war and vote B
Can't we write some letters and send them along with our troops? :P
"Hey marshall send these letters to the other forts when we are destroying the first, putting other two under siege and they discover that the north was being screwed by the dahnia and reinforcements aren't coming. Give these along with our banner and the new uniforms as soldiers of methiant."
Post by: NRDL on June 02, 2017, 05:23:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 02, 2017, 05:26:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 02, 2017, 05:29:36 pm
And I suppose charisma does help during siege negotiations.
Post by: ZBridges on June 02, 2017, 05:40:43 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 02, 2017, 05:42:40 pm
Post by: Playergamer on June 02, 2017, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 02, 2017, 08:24:19 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 02, 2017, 09:37:39 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 02, 2017, 10:44:06 pm
Math is hard, but considering we should have both a numbers and tech advantage I think betting it on a few rolls with good modifiers sounds better then lots of rolls to me.
Post by: Puppyguard on June 02, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
Post by: Imic on June 03, 2017, 12:36:51 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2017, 02:07:43 am
As in "B"e there when you get to sign terms in favor of our benefits (and yours too but you did grumpy stuff and we're just attacking back because of what you did)
...They are the aggressor right? ._. I'm lost with place names now that I'm confused if this place we're attacking was something that hurt us before.
Post by: Haspen on June 03, 2017, 02:44:25 am
Congratulations! Yoe embarks on another campaign!
1081 AD, Autumn
Your troops deploy to the Cydwyl border, again the Blackhearts and their crews taking forever to get there. There's no activity there, but your officers believe that your northern neighbours are paying attention to your movements with their own scouts.
Scouts report that there are two small outpost in northeast, and a fortified city further north from your position.
A) Let's make example of the smaller forts. To the northeast!
B) Let's crack open that big city to make a big impression. Northwards!
C) Let's seek some other targets elsewhere. We're going northwest!
Post by: Weirdsound on June 03, 2017, 02:53:48 am
I want the city, but lets not let people from the outposts flank us while we work on cracking it.
Post by: ZBridges on June 03, 2017, 03:06:48 am
Post by: NRDL on June 03, 2017, 03:13:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 03, 2017, 03:33:12 am
Our job is to make a load of noise and distraction after all.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 03, 2017, 06:08:36 am
A
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2017, 09:43:02 am
Can't we just threaten them into submission? We're gonna take these lands, better have them in one piece.We can sit outside their fortresses, cook up some nice food, waft the scent in, and then tell them 'Hey, you can have some of this' with an old car saleman's accent as they surrender because we've actually cut off their supply lines and all. And usually, fortresses were more 'troop garrisons to protect surrounding towns/villages' rather than a storehouse.
A
Unless these 'fortresses' are of different time and tech scaling <_< But 'smaller forts'!
A
Post by: Weirdsound on June 03, 2017, 11:25:19 am
A
Our job is to make a load of noise and distraction after all.
That is our job. That dosn't mean we don't want to grab some land for ourselves. I do hope to take the city next.
Post by: Prophet on June 03, 2017, 12:22:54 pm
Post by: omada on June 03, 2017, 12:45:47 pm
A
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2017, 09:31:14 am
As the Blackhearts - and your Army - move toward the twin forts, officers and scouts bring news.
"My liege, we have detected horsemen movement, attempting to get to our flanks. What are your orders?"
A) "Bombard them with Blackhearts, scare the horses into rout!"
B) "We set up camp and prepare to defend ourselves!"
C) "Send our own horsemen against them whilst we continue toward the forts."
Post by: Criptfeind on June 04, 2017, 09:31:54 am
Trying to slow down or divert our blackhearts? NEVER!
Post by: Detoxicated on June 04, 2017, 10:04:08 am
Post by: omada on June 04, 2017, 10:05:07 am
C
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2017, 11:07:19 am
A will just set a forest on fire and miss them.
C
The goal of A isn't to hit them, but to spook the ever loving crap out of their horses. It isn't a bad idea, but I like C a bit better.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2017, 11:32:17 am
Cavalry aren't particularly useful when assaulting a fortress.
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2017, 11:39:20 am
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2017, 12:48:47 pm
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They return after few hours with only a handful men and horses missing; according to their commander, they caught the Cydwyl cavalry by surprise when it was taking a break. The chaos of sudden strike sent most of them flying, and those who didn't run got ran down by your horsemen!
By the next morning, your Army has both forts surrounded; half of Blackheart force per fort is deployed and your officers ask what now.
A) Just start shooting, I wanna hear them thunderblasts already!
B) Send them an offer of surrender, maybe they're cowardly enough to take it.
C) Besiege them the normal way, to kill the time.
Post by: NRDL on June 04, 2017, 12:49:49 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2017, 01:11:32 pm
The greatest victory is the one for which no blood is shed.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 04, 2017, 01:18:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 04, 2017, 01:18:41 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2017, 01:21:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2017, 01:26:50 pm
Cha bonus time to shine!
Post by: crazyabe on June 04, 2017, 02:07:29 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 04, 2017, 02:11:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2017, 02:40:28 pm
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Your letter has the best consequences it could have; the comamnders were supporters of the Cydwyl and weren't going down in a fight, but their more reasonable subordinates formed a conspiracy and within a day, they killed their superiors and shown the white scarf of surrender.
The two forts are now yours!
After the garrisons are swapped and most of Cydwyl officers cuffed for security reasons, your own officers convene with you.
"We should capture the nearby city of Ynwall as well, it's just half a day away from here."
"Why go for the small fish?" One other says. "The road leading north and west from these forts leads straight to the Cydwyl heartlands; fertile farmlands and the capital itself! We should move out at once and capture the cpaital ourselves!" Other murmur and shake their heads, because this way your Army would be bypassing most of Cydwyl forces.
You decide to...
A) Hold the ground and the forts for inevitable Cydwyl counter-offensive.
B) Take the risk and march into the heart of the Kingdom of Cydwyl itself!!
C) Move on to Ynwall and capture the fortified city as well.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 04, 2017, 02:41:27 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 04, 2017, 02:43:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 04, 2017, 02:44:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2017, 02:49:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2017, 02:51:22 pm
Once we take the city we can move on the heartlands without fear of being cut off by the City Garrison. Need to keep our supply lines secure in order to win.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2017, 03:04:39 pm
C
Once we take the city we can move on the heartlands without fear of being cut off by the City Garrison. Need to keep our supply lines secure in order to win.
I'd actually suggest holding the city or the forts until we get news that our ally is making progress. See if we can goad Cydwyl into burning troops against our walls while we wait for our backup to make their lives even more complicated.
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2017, 03:18:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
Next day, your Army half-surrounds the city from the south, with few groups of scouts running off northwards to keep watch over the roads.
An agent brings you information on the city.
"The inner keep of the city has very spacious barracks, and from what I heard from the citizenry, up to two thousand soldiers garrison the city pretty much every time. Furthermore, the are trebuchets installed inside the city, the garrison having them prepared when we were detouring to the forts."
A) "Then we should show that that trebuchets are obsolete in our times! Bombard the city!"
B) "Clearly they know we're a formidable force - I will write them a letter to show that we're reasonable as well."
C) "Tighten the ring of siege around the city, we will starve them out."
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2017, 03:48:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 04, 2017, 03:50:56 pm
Might be that we'll get a - from unreasonable surrender and crit fail. But I think it's wort trying anyway.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 04, 2017, 03:53:21 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 04, 2017, 04:32:18 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 04, 2017, 05:32:10 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on June 04, 2017, 05:37:14 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2017, 06:23:19 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 04, 2017, 07:18:50 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 04, 2017, 07:27:12 pm
Post by: omada on June 04, 2017, 09:15:06 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 04, 2017, 10:27:13 pm
You decide to write a letter to commanders of the forts, asking them to surrender.That's some fancy writing! :3Quote5*
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An agent brings you information on the city.That's some fancy spynetwork! :3
B
Post by: Haspen on June 05, 2017, 12:42:34 pm
Your emissary returns with the first of the trebuchet shots landing in your camp!
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Fortunately, the Cydwyl siege operators are either blind, untrained or too far to do any real damage, except of course some unfortunate men and horses crushed under the stones.
A) BLACKHEARTS AWAY!!
B) Retreat! Retreat to safer grounds!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 05, 2017, 12:47:07 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 05, 2017, 01:25:55 pm
Do what you do best!
Post by: birdy51 on June 05, 2017, 01:30:29 pm
You send them an offer of surrender.
Your emissary returns with the first of the trebuchet shots landing in your camp!
Those bastards killed our emissary! A
Fire, brimstone, and DEATH!!!
Post by: HappyPlank on June 05, 2017, 01:39:55 pm
Quote5
Fortunately, the Cydwyl siege operators are either blind, untrained or too far to do any real damage, except of course some unfortunate men and horses crushed under the stones.
We got lucky, next time it's our blackhearts.
B if it means we're just distancing ourselves then using our blackhearts
A if B means retreating & not using our blackhearts
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 05, 2017, 02:41:09 pm
We will get more black-hearts in later years.
Post by: crazyabe on June 05, 2017, 02:58:05 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 05, 2017, 03:11:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 05, 2017, 03:18:09 pm
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The assault goes poorly; the Blackhearts fire slow while the trebuchets do not. Several puffs of smoke rise from the bombarded city and those with keener eyesight report a single tower crumbling, but otherwise the walls are unbreached.
Then the worst happens; one of the Blackhearts fires up prematurely, sending fiery bits of Fireblood and hot metal shrapnel around!
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You had good luck in this bad luck; no one else but the crew of that Blackheart perished, as it was on the far flank and by distance was furthest from all others.
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Trebuchets keep launching their stones and two more Blackhearts are destroyed! Along with the precious machines of war, many operators are killed and at least fifty more of your soldiers perish as well. The city smokes a bit as well, but neither its walls or spirit seems to be broken yet.
After the third barrage, the Blackhearts require thorough cleaning, and their operators hurry with their acids and other ingredients.
A) Keep'em going, boys!
B) Okay, that's it - time to retreat.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 05, 2017, 03:20:07 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 05, 2017, 03:21:21 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 05, 2017, 03:28:29 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 05, 2017, 03:28:59 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2017, 04:05:30 pm
B
Post by: HappyPlank on June 05, 2017, 04:07:01 pm
A
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Otherwise A
Post by: omada on June 05, 2017, 04:09:07 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 05, 2017, 04:11:03 pm
We had some bad luck. A stronger volley ought to do it. Push comes to shove, we lose a few cannons. There will always be more.
Post by: Playergamer on June 05, 2017, 04:21:41 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on June 05, 2017, 04:22:32 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 05, 2017, 04:57:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 05, 2017, 11:34:43 pm
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The thunderous roar of the engines is probably startling people few miles away.
Another cannon is lost and few dozen peopl killed total, but they do it! Scouts report several strongpoints and towers flanking the southern gate of Ynwall collapse, with the gate's structure damaged as well.
A) Now it's time to retreat, camp somewhere safe, and wait.
B) Now it's time to retreat and camp somewhere safe while we send another envoy.
C) More destruction! More explosions! Do not stop!
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2017, 12:01:51 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 06, 2017, 12:19:10 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 06, 2017, 02:56:23 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 06, 2017, 03:17:19 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 06, 2017, 04:25:41 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 06, 2017, 04:32:22 am
I don't think they killed the envoy? He returned at the same time they started firing.
I read that as them launching the emissary back with the trebuchet, but you're right, it could also be him returning by foot.
Post by: crazyabe on June 06, 2017, 08:09:29 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 06, 2017, 08:17:38 am
Honestly I blame commas. :PI don't think they killed the envoy? He returned at the same time they started firing.
I read that as them launching the emissary back with the trebuchet, but you're right, it could also be him returning by foot.
Your emissary returns with the first of the trebuchet shots landing in your camp!Because I presume that the folks (and myself too) all thought that as 'he ded, and they launched his body to us', and then we went all "KILL THEM ALL" with our better cannons.
B
Post by: Detoxicated on June 06, 2017, 10:40:51 am
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2017, 11:04:55 am
After two days and awfully quiet countryside, your officers murmur a need for some action.
A) Naw, let's stay around few more days.
B) Resume the siege.
C) RESUME BOMBARDMENT!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 06, 2017, 11:05:16 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 06, 2017, 11:06:00 am
Post by: Detoxicated on June 06, 2017, 11:13:22 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 06, 2017, 11:27:08 am
Hopefully our mercy won't bite us in the tusch.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 06, 2017, 01:00:53 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2017, 02:42:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2017, 02:46:30 pm
You decide to approach the city and give it hell in the ways of BOMBARDMENT!!
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Your Blackhearts smash apart more towers and fortifications of the outer walls, and smoke thickens inside the city. The trebuchet fire is late to reply and comes in sporadic amounts.
Several barrages later, you hear a loud rumbling noise; many of your officers witness alongside you as the central gate and its surrounding walls crumble and collapse into giant pile of rubble!
A) Charge, my soldiers, and take the city with swords and torches!
B) Continue bombardment till they come crawling to us, begging for mercy!
C) Stop the barrage and wait for now, let them think it over.
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2017, 02:53:27 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 06, 2017, 02:59:58 pm
C
Post by: crazyabe on June 06, 2017, 03:02:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 06, 2017, 03:03:31 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on June 06, 2017, 03:04:01 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 06, 2017, 03:04:42 pm
Post by: mcclay on June 06, 2017, 03:16:18 pm
Post by: omada on June 06, 2017, 03:31:52 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 07, 2017, 03:01:57 am
Post by: Detoxicated on June 07, 2017, 04:08:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 07, 2017, 07:30:52 am
They have no more defenses. Now would be the time to just take the field and claim this place for us.
Post by: Tiruin on June 07, 2017, 08:34:07 am
I sincerely hope it wasn't 'the envoy was sent back via trebuchet' though >_>
Post by: birdy51 on June 07, 2017, 10:06:04 am
Post by: Haspen on June 07, 2017, 10:15:04 am
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a
You await further developments.
After an hour, scouts raise an alarm; a host of Cydwyl horsemen emerged from the gates and are rushing toward your positions! You decide to counter with...
A) Blackhearts
B) Archers
C) Horsemen
Post by: Criptfeind on June 07, 2017, 10:16:40 am
Archers were good against horse dudes right? Shoot the horse out from under them and all that?
Post by: birdy51 on June 07, 2017, 10:18:20 am
Doesn't always work out that nicely. One volley, and the horses are usually on top of the archers.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 07, 2017, 10:19:09 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 07, 2017, 10:29:48 am
C, archers are great against horse archers, not so much against a cavalry charge.
Post by: omada on June 07, 2017, 10:37:18 am
Goddamn, they dont give up?
Okay, stop being nice.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 07, 2017, 11:03:40 am
Post by: Haspen on June 07, 2017, 01:36:08 pm
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The initial push is met with fierce resistance of Methiant horsemen! They enter a deadly melee with the Cydwyl riders, swords and axes and spears mingling together.
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But your men prevail, and a bloody mess engulfs the Cydwyl horsemen, who fall in droves. The rest, seeing their brave but reckless charge fail, rout and flee toward the city.
Your officers murmur and urge you to punish the Ydwall severely, as they seem not interested in negotiations and reason!
You decide to...
A) Bombard the city into total ruination.
B) Send your soldiers to pillage the city.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 07, 2017, 01:37:11 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 07, 2017, 01:45:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 07, 2017, 01:57:16 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 07, 2017, 02:33:33 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 07, 2017, 02:42:55 pm
Let loose the dogs of war!
Post by: crazyabe on June 07, 2017, 03:19:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 07, 2017, 07:58:49 pm
You kinda have to wonder where the spearmen at.Actually depends on the armor, and the quality of the arrow--but historically, they pretty much were very effective.
C, archers are great against horse archers, not so much against a cavalry charge.
I'm presuming this are light cavalry rather than heavily armored ones but :V
It worked out well.
Also no envoy?
B
Post by: omada on June 07, 2017, 08:15:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 07, 2017, 11:41:49 pm
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They go rather thoroughly through it, punishing the citizenry, stealing their loot and wives.
After several days, your Army reassembles after this good party time. There were about thousand casualties in the city and about twenty amongst your soldiers (responsible Ydwall peasants were punished, don't worry).
The officers bring you a report from a scot; Dahnians have successfully destroyed a large Cydwyl Army and are now marching toward the capital.
A) Let's go to the capital and conquer it before Dahnians for giggles and loot!
B) Let's camp around here for a while and maybe someone will come out to fight us.
C) Let's seek another city to force into submission! Or maybe two!
D) Let's call it a well-done campaign so we go back home and Dahnians do their stuff.
Post by: ZBridges on June 07, 2017, 11:58:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 08, 2017, 12:11:50 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 08, 2017, 12:12:06 am
C No need to fight with a potential ally over the capital. We can take the lesser amount of land.
Post by: Prophet on June 08, 2017, 12:14:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 08, 2017, 12:48:26 am
We have a scot on our side? We cant lose!Love your typos Haspen. :P
C
Post by: omada on June 08, 2017, 12:55:59 am
Post by: Baffler on June 08, 2017, 01:16:38 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 08, 2017, 02:41:16 am
Post by: crazyabe on June 08, 2017, 10:43:01 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 09, 2017, 08:51:15 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 09, 2017, 09:05:14 am
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2017, 06:55:02 pm
About a week later, your Army is surrounding the city.
Unfortunately, there are some unfortunate or outright disastrous news for you just as you unpack your bags - the Dahnians have been beaten! Their Crown Prince has been slain and his now heir-less father ran away with his bodyguard back north, with Cydwyl horsemen in hot pursuit.
A) And what of it? That's on the other side of the kingdom, we can besiege Edain an Evel anyways!
B) Oh, uh, then we better retreat and hole up in Ydwall!
C) Now is our chance! Let's run to their capital and finish what Dahnians started!
...
Or go to the voting poll and become President of SPAMDEMOCRACY! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164461.0)
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 10, 2017, 07:09:09 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 10, 2017, 07:17:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 10, 2017, 08:03:45 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 10, 2017, 08:13:54 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 10, 2017, 08:37:57 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 10, 2017, 11:07:05 pm
1: We blew the gate off Ydwall, so that isn't the best place to hold up. We will likely face the same problem if we fight Edain an Evel to hold up there.
2: We might as well go all in here. This is as good a time as ever to risk it all. Even if we die and lose our army, our bloodline will likely survive and hold on to some degree of power. If Cydwyl marches south after destorying us, our wife and heir will likely receive aid from Salus Jr., who is scheduled to marry a daughter into our family and owes us one free intervention. Ceodwell may get involved as well, seeing an opprotunity to get the lands he wants from us while protecting his daughter and grandson.
Post by: Baffler on June 11, 2017, 12:17:21 am
Our allies will probably beat us to the capital anyway, may as well finish what we started here, and one in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 11, 2017, 02:56:04 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 11, 2017, 03:00:11 am
A.
Our allies will probably beat us to the capital anyway, may as well finish what we started here, and one in the hand is worth two in the bush.
No, the allies were defeated and forced into retreat.
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 03:04:08 am
Several days later your scouts bring you new information; the Cydwyl army is marching straight towards you! Or rather, they're riding, as vast majority of their three thousand troop is comprised of horsemen wielding either spears or bows.
Your officers convene with you; you do not have sufficient numbers to repel such big number of horses, your own cavalry in few hundred and the amount of foot you have doesn't match the Cydwyl numbers either.
You decide to...
A) Camp on a hill or in a forest, and fortify your position.
B) Retreat to Ydwall and hole up there.
C) Retreat back behind the Methiant border.
D) Send your own horsemen to disrupt them, then follow up with Blackhearts and footsoldiers!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 11, 2017, 03:12:22 am
Anyway, retreat is no Option because a cannon is never going to outrun a horse.
A
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 03:15:54 am
How much forces do we have?
I wager that about 2000 would be the highest margin.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 11, 2017, 03:19:30 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 11, 2017, 03:30:13 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 11, 2017, 04:03:43 am
Anyway, A.
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 04:34:13 am
So yeah it's about 'almost 3000' on your side ;v
Post by: Weirdsound on June 11, 2017, 07:51:50 am
In theory, if we let them come in real close, and then fire a few Blackheart rounds, the noise should spook the horses and throw the enemy into chaos.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 11, 2017, 08:00:29 am
Lets do a Battle of Hastings, but better than the Saxons.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2017, 08:19:01 am
A
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 10:09:26 am
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An uneven terrain, not really aspiring to be hills, is found in the otherwise plain landscape of Cydwyl.
But the horsemen are almost there! While your Army is in middle of its work, and Blackhearts are only begin positioned, a wave of horse archers knocks up dust in the north!
A) Blackhearts away!
B) Arrow them down!
C) Battle lines, now!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2017, 10:11:03 am
Post by: omada on June 11, 2017, 10:21:21 am
and Blackhearts are only begin positioned,
That means they can't fire properly or what?
A The sound might scare the horses even if we can't aim properly, might gain us time, arrows are a thing that horses are used
(Wait, why can't our archers be prepared while blackhearts fire and the rest of our troops finish to fortfy? Bleh, if they get close B will happen anyway)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 11, 2017, 10:30:00 am
The counter against horse archers is normal archers. A normal bow has better range and better accuracy than one mounted on a horse, and horses are a much bigger target.
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 10:54:17 am
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Arrows are launched in both sides and sink in the bodies of the soldiers of both sides! So mighty is the initial exchange that you think you saw the sworld go grey under their shadow!
Or maybe you just looked into the sun and got momentarily blinded.
The initial wave of horsemen is pushed away, but your scouts report another coming. Your archers on the other hand have been savaged quite a bit; many are being tended to by healers.
A) Blackhearts, fire at will!
B) Time to get the enemy into melee!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2017, 10:55:06 am
Post by: omada on June 11, 2017, 10:57:54 am
When we have to get into melee we will be rested, and they, scared.
Post by: crazyabe on June 11, 2017, 11:56:24 am
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2017, 12:14:47 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 11, 2017, 02:41:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 11, 2017, 02:43:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2017, 04:24:45 pm
You order Blackhearts to fire away!
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The mighty roars of the Blackhearts in concjuction with exploding terrain works as intended! Many Cydwyl riders are shaken off and trampled by their own terrified mounts, and the second wave is routed before it deals any real damage.
But the third wave is coming! The Blackhearts are being cleaned and prepared, but it will take time, so they can't be used again yet...
A) Footsoldiers, assemble!
B) Evacuate! Evacuate!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2017, 04:25:47 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 11, 2017, 04:26:00 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 11, 2017, 04:27:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 11, 2017, 04:27:17 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 11, 2017, 04:44:01 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2017, 04:54:51 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 11, 2017, 06:56:34 pm
Post by: omada on June 12, 2017, 11:34:29 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 12, 2017, 12:00:37 pm
There's no way we can effectively retreat from an army of horseman unless they let us. Best to take the fight to them.
Post by: Haspen on June 12, 2017, 01:18:55 pm
You order the common soldiers to form up lines and fight against the coming wave of horsemen.
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As the horsemen come, mostly lancers this time, your men either cling to rocky surfaces or advance in lines on open ground. Soon, many on both sides begin to fall down, and the battle turns into a bloody melee!
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The Cydwyls didn't except such a stiff resistance from mere foosoldiers! As their casualties mount, their commander blows the retreat horn and this wave of the horsemen scampers northwards.
An hour later, as the sun is slowly descending behind the horizon, your scouts bring news.
"Sire, the routed Cydwyl are recuperating and regrouping in a forest north of here. It seems they might be trying to attack us once more in the morning." A council is held between you and your officers. After many discussions and considerations, you decide to...
A) Send an envoy to parley with the Cydwyl.
B) Send your soldiers under cover of night to strike the dismounted horsemen.
C) Get some rest and prepare for the tomorrow's combat.
D) Retreat southwards to City of Ydwall.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 12, 2017, 01:27:21 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 12, 2017, 01:28:22 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 12, 2017, 01:33:26 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 12, 2017, 02:59:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 12, 2017, 03:10:13 pm
Post by: Playergamer on June 12, 2017, 03:12:41 pm
Post by: omada on June 12, 2017, 07:27:12 pm
We can't do B when A fail? Their soldiers might be pissed by their superiors and scared after such losses. It would be nice to see another revolt
Post by: Baffler on June 12, 2017, 09:08:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 12, 2017, 11:48:39 pm
We know we can a +1 on Diplomacy with A, and can likely get a +1 on C as our horse scaring Blackhearts will be ready in the morning, but I don't think we get a +1 on running covert opps with our basic soldiers.
I'm gonna say A, as it has the best chance of the non-B options.
Post by: Imic on June 14, 2017, 04:59:05 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 14, 2017, 05:20:46 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 15, 2017, 01:42:32 am
We're still part of an ally's battle against this foe, right?
Post by: Criptfeind on June 15, 2017, 06:31:20 am
A
We're still part of an ally's battle against this foe, right?
The ally got beaten.
Post by: Haspen on June 15, 2017, 07:50:19 am
You wait few hours.
As the sky turns into the night, your officers wonder if the envoy is going to come back.
A) Let's wait till early morning to decide.
B) Clearly they executed him! Send our riders to strike their camp in the night!
C) Clearly they executed him! Let's retreat southwards while we still can.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 15, 2017, 07:51:26 am
Although I don't think we ever got confirmation from Haspen about the trebuchet/envoy situation, so who knows.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 15, 2017, 07:52:47 am
Worse case, we've been forced into picking C from earlier, except we get to be slightly more pissed with them when we fight.
Post by: crazyabe on June 15, 2017, 09:35:01 am
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2017, 10:39:58 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 15, 2017, 04:41:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 15, 2017, 11:36:37 pm
But after few hours, in the middle of the night, you're waken up as scouts raise an alarm:
"Cydwyl riders with torches approaching from northwest, my liege!!"
A) "Counter them with our footsoldiers!"
B) "Counter them with our own horsemen!"
Post by: Detoxicated on June 15, 2017, 11:39:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2017, 11:57:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 16, 2017, 12:10:35 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 16, 2017, 04:32:44 am
Anyway. Both options are awful. If we send horsemen it's gonna take time, and if we don't have more losses, we'll have the same. Which is bad cause we're inferior in numbers.
If we send footsoldiers they'll get trampled in the middle of the night
I guess B
Post by: Weirdsound on June 16, 2017, 08:13:56 am
I remember very clearly saying we shouldn't send an envoy.
Anyway. Both options are awful. If we send horsemen it's gonna take time, and if we don't have more losses, we'll have the same. Which is bad cause we're inferior in numbers.
If we send footsoldiers they'll get trampled in the middle of the night
I guess B
Taking time is a good thing. If we buy time, our Blackhearts will be ready to fire and scatter their horses again. As for the numbers game, I'm not sure they still have an advantage after the last few rounds. Do they?
B
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 16, 2017, 08:34:39 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 16, 2017, 08:35:48 am
Several days later your scouts bring you new information; the Cydwyl army is marching straight towards you! Or rather, they're riding, as vast majority of their three thousand troop is comprised of horsemen wielding either spears or bows.
So yeah it's about 'almost 3000' on your side ;v
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2017, 11:35:23 am
They never had a numerical advantage. Haspen forgot to count out monks.I think you misspelled 'our'. :P
B
Post by: omada on June 16, 2017, 01:13:01 pm
counter them with footsoldier will already happen when they arrive, it will not be a counter attack but just a normal defense so it will be like
A: nothing
B: horses
May the horses at least buy us time to prepare ourselves.
I hope our spies are getting the opportunity to see if some of the fire blood didn't exploded entirely or if anything was left behind so we can reverse-engineer that.
A good long-term option would be to make the engineers prisoners while we march into felonsien.
Post by: Imic on June 17, 2017, 01:19:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2017, 02:19:21 pm
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And this attack was repelled! Few dozen horsemen and their mounts were killed, however.
"Our army is bleeding out." Says one officer, only to be rebunked by other: "And so is theirs!"
As the morning comes, and a council is ready to be held, miraculous news arrive - the envoy has returned! He looks a bit bruised up, but he is alive and can even walk and speak on his own. He quickly explains that he was captured and dragged to their camp and kept prisoner so he couldn't relay news that the Cydwyl are preparing a surprise night attack.
"Now that they've been beaten, Princess Dogethe, leader of the Cydwyl army, has decided to give us a chance. She offers to meet in a glade with you, and you're allowed to bring up to fifty guards if you so desire. She will bring fifty of hers, and then you can talk." Your officers murmur and talk about this, some even bringing up ideas. In the end, you decide to...
A) Go with few trusted men to the place of meeting.
B) Arrive at the glade with fifty guards, just to be sure.
C) Send a hundred best riders to assault the meeting place and capture Princess Dogethe!
D) Ignore this and prepare your Army for combat.
Post by: Prophet on June 17, 2017, 02:52:23 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 17, 2017, 02:55:14 pm
Post by: HappyPlank on June 17, 2017, 02:59:53 pm
On the other hand, I think their acceptance of holding a meeting means they are on the edge of defeat, so we could go wth D.
With all this considered, I think since we're charismatic B would be best
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 17, 2017, 04:22:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2017, 05:09:32 pm
Few hours later, you arrive at the designated glade, with fifty men behind you. Sure enough, few point between trees and the entourage of Princess Dogethe arrives in front of her; fifty armed men.
Princess Dogethe is a tall, willowy woman in her late twenties, with sharp nose and a waterfall of light brown hair and reddish discoloration across her left cheek and left side of her neck. She is dressed in a battledress.
"Peace upon you, Methiant peoples." She says, riding her horse to the front of her men. "I see that Alldivines blessed your liege with some smarts and common sense." She stops her horse and then turns her side to you.
"King Yoe! You will leave Cydwyl at once, taking your men and safe passage will be granted to you and your men. You will abandon the forts that you conquered and return the city of Ydwall to its rightful rulers - us. In return, we will compensate you for your losses with money and swear an oath that while Dahnians will feel the full wrath of our retribution, you on other hand will be left alone to your devices."
A) "That is satisfactory. I and my army shall leave at once."
B) "This is absurd! You will pay for your insolence with your head! Take her!!"
C) "I want to negotiate these terms; I lose too much and gain too little."
D) "This won't do. Prepare for further hostilities, Princess Dogethe."
Post by: Ghazkull on June 17, 2017, 05:11:55 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 17, 2017, 05:17:07 pm
She can't be expecting us to just agree without negotiating, so she has to have more she's willing to offer us.
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2017, 05:31:40 pm
So, I say we offer them a white peace at this stage, if possible. C
Post by: helmacon on June 17, 2017, 05:53:32 pm
C
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2017, 05:56:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 17, 2017, 06:23:15 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on June 17, 2017, 07:14:45 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 17, 2017, 10:29:02 pm
C
Post by: Weirdsound on June 18, 2017, 08:15:37 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 18, 2017, 09:35:47 am
Post by: Haspen on June 18, 2017, 03:45:38 pm
"Well, I'm sure that my father can throw some more money in your general direction, if that makes you leave us and our lands."
A) "An amount equal to five years of common tribute will suffice, yes."
B) "Wait, no, I meant I want to negotiate the matter of our conquests."
Post by: ZBridges on June 18, 2017, 04:01:52 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 18, 2017, 04:02:22 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 18, 2017, 04:44:49 pm
A, the city we shot to shit and the forts that surrendered without a fight seem like they'd not be terribly valuable conquests.
Agreed. We likely get more out of them this way than if we take them, and by extension the expense of fixing the things up, for ourselves anyway.
Post by: helmacon on June 18, 2017, 04:53:19 pm
B
Post by: Detoxicated on June 18, 2017, 05:39:39 pm
We didn't go to war for some monetary compensations...
Post by: Criptfeind on June 18, 2017, 05:46:58 pm
A
Post by: Detoxicated on June 18, 2017, 05:48:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 18, 2017, 05:49:51 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 18, 2017, 06:38:43 pm
A
We wanted to go small powerful kingdom, this gives us that opportunity.
Post by: crazyabe on June 18, 2017, 06:42:35 pm
Our "Allies" were beaten to shit, and I doubt they are preparing a counter attack.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 18, 2017, 06:46:49 pm
We have more than held up our end of the deal with our "Allies". Presenting ourselves as reasonable people who could wreck their stuff if we wanted to is much more valuable than a couple of forts and a broken town.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 18, 2017, 11:40:11 pm
Eh, but monetary compensations might be the best we can expect to get outa it.
A
Our army is also trashed though. It feels like we're one bad roll away from loosing this war, and several away from winning it.
I'm tempted to agree with you, but we have the +1 CHA bonus, so I don't think we can crit fail, so there is little harm in at least asking. B
Post by: Haspen on June 18, 2017, 11:50:00 pm
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After some consideration, Princess Dogethe agrees to the terms. The money will be sent in two packages; larger sum by incoming Spring, the rest one year later.
You conclude the campaign.
Congratulations! Yoe successfully concluded the campaign!
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After you return to your capital, you learn that Dahnian crown prince was captured and his uncle, a general, was slain in a big battle between Dahnians and Cydwyls, the latter also trashing some borderlands of Ioniths in retribution for allowing the Dahnians to pass through Ionith lands.
1081 AD, Winter
The Queen of Vanity has come! She is a fur-covered, pink-colored spider the size of a small keep. Her eyes emit beams of fire. Beware her toxic breath!
"This monstrosity has left the forest in the northeast and is ravaging the countryside, my liege!" Says the messenger who brought you these terrifying news.
A) "Send the Army to vanquish the beast at once!"
B) "I shall go and slain it personally!!
C) "Just leave it alone, maybe it will go away on its own."
D) "Find me a Wizard! We need supernatural powers to defeat this monster!"
Post by: Weirdsound on June 19, 2017, 12:24:11 am
Post by: helmacon on June 19, 2017, 12:53:44 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 19, 2017, 01:41:11 am
I hope black hearts work, because toxic breath would wreck entire formations of infantry at a time.
Post by: Tiruin on June 19, 2017, 04:35:47 am
The Queen of Vanity has come! She is a fur-covered, pink-colored spider the size of a small keep. Her eyes emit beams of fire. Beware her toxic breath!*twitch*
A
Wait it'll destroy our army.
Hopefully they roll well. Because D seems best next!
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 19, 2017, 04:39:28 am
Post by: omada on June 19, 2017, 10:10:50 am
Make therapy in it's skin with arrows and siege stuff. it bring down rock, why not flesh and fur?
Post by: Haspen on June 19, 2017, 02:43:26 pm
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Your Army is no more! The first salvo missed its legs and its body, and before another was prepared, the beast attacked your soldiers! And then, a very (un)lucky salvo of fiery beams ignited the stockpile of Fireblood.
Over two hundred perished in reddish mushroom cloud that also took out most of Blackhearts.
The only good thing out of this carnage was that, besides your men fleeing, the spider monstrosity also fled back from whence it came.
Maybe it will find someone else to pester?
1081 AD, Midwinter
A new host of Blackhearts and their operators arrives in your Castle.
The same happens with silver, gemstones and minerals. Of course, the last bunch is sent to Felonsines.
Few days after the latest arrival in the Treasury, the Queen of Vanity is sighted again! This time she is ravaging settlements a bit southernly from the previous location.
A) Let's try again with superior firepower!
B) Truly, the beast of this magnitude must be slain by a man of certain magnitude - me!!
C) Ehhh, let's leave it alone this time.
D) Wizard! Wizard! A kingdom for a Wizard!
Post by: Draignean on June 19, 2017, 02:50:42 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on June 19, 2017, 02:51:54 pm
Let's throw the new black hearts at it.
Post by: birdy51 on June 19, 2017, 02:52:29 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 19, 2017, 02:58:36 pm
A, literally better luck next time!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 19, 2017, 03:04:30 pm
D. Wizard time.
Post by: ZBridges on June 19, 2017, 03:06:48 pm
Post by: Ghazkull on June 19, 2017, 03:07:24 pm
Post by: Glass on June 19, 2017, 04:00:18 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2017, 06:56:53 pm
Post by: omada on June 20, 2017, 10:03:36 am
Post by: Haspen on June 20, 2017, 03:11:00 pm
1081 AD, Late Winter
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One was met in distant Helliste by pure chance. He promised to visit you in a month's time.
The monstrous Queen in the meanwhile has begun to lay waste on the path toward Kingdom of Ceodwell, fortunately moving towards your less populated areas at the border.
1081 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor hurries to show you this year's Scrolls of Kingdom Status:
Happiness: 4
Population: 4
Economy: 3
Army: 2
"The only thing I can happily talk about is the conclusion of settlement project; many new villages were founded, and influx of migrants from the east settled there. However, our treasury is emptying and the army is in shambles. Shall we send for the local Cloisters to provide faithful servants? Also, should we keep taxes raised for another year, my liege?"
A) "Monks and taxes, yes."
B) "Send for monks, but lower the taxes."
C) "No monks, no extra tax, thanks."
D) "Forget the monks, get me money!"
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 20, 2017, 03:18:55 pm
Monks and taxes, the key to any feudal economy's success.
Post by: omada on June 20, 2017, 03:22:42 pm
The wizard shall help our ceodwells friends.
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2017, 03:58:10 pm
Post by: Glass on June 20, 2017, 03:59:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 20, 2017, 11:04:44 pm
We might need money to pay for the wizard, and we still have a 'call in backup from a neighbor' card, so I don't think fixing the army is urgent. The Monks and blackhearts will come to us in time.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 21, 2017, 06:34:08 am
Wizards rarely want material wealth. Instead they tend to ask us to do crazy hero missions.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 21, 2017, 06:35:53 am
Post by: HappyPlank on June 21, 2017, 01:13:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2017, 02:23:08 pm
1082 AD, Spring
The first promised payment from Cydwyls arrives; with a letter from Princess Dogethe, who re-states the promise of no retribution against you. Your Treasury is filled with silver coinage!
The very next morning, the guards inform you that you have two strangers that wish to talk with you; Battlebrother Deimos of Ironbone Cluster, and a long-robed, pointy-hatted old man who refuses to tell his name.
A) Time to settle the matters of military and monks first!
B) Wizard! Lemme talk with him at once!
Post by: birdy51 on June 21, 2017, 02:34:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 21, 2017, 02:37:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 21, 2017, 03:12:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2017, 03:29:03 pm
"Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant." The Wizard tips his hat and you briefly see his steel-colored eyes and bald head.
"I've heard of your troubles, and while it is cannot be helped in these times, I can help you and vanquish The Queen of Vanity. But you must tell me, what it is that you offer as a payment for my humble service for your kingdom?"
A) Offer him titles, holdings and all wealth you can give him.
B) Tell him that you do not know what such a powerful and divine being might want.
C) Offer him Dwarven Necklace of Protection.
Post by: helmacon on June 21, 2017, 03:45:07 pm
An amulet of sky iron, forged by the dwarves. It is possessed of strange and powerful magics. Surely, a wizard such as yourself could find use for it.
Post by: ZBridges on June 21, 2017, 03:46:56 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 21, 2017, 03:49:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2017, 03:53:45 pm
C
An amulet of sky iron, forged by the dwarves. It is possessed of strange and powerful magics. Surely, a wizard such as yourself could find use for it.
Oh yeah, forgot about that one.
Post by: birdy51 on June 21, 2017, 04:40:38 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 21, 2017, 04:49:14 pm
C
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2017, 04:53:09 pm
Post by: Qassius on June 21, 2017, 05:30:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2017, 11:33:24 pm
"Truly you are wise, not knowing what to offer me, as there is little you can offer in the first place. Thereby I shall test your courage and heroism, to truly determine if you are worthy of my help."
"In the Ironbone mountains, high in the peaks, there is a tribe of pale, simple peoples called the Nnrg. They lay eggs, and you shall acquire one Egg of Nnrg and then ascend the peak till you find the Dragon's Roost. Place the egg in it and tend for it till it hatches. If you can truly do this, then I shall be convinced that I should work for you against the Queen of Vanity." Your courtiers murmur and some even giggle at such a strange request. You decide that...
A) You find this request insulting, stupid and reidiculous, and shall offer the Wizard something else (please pick another option from previous update if you pick this one)
B) You will ascend the mountain and help hatch the Egg of Nnrg.
Post by: Qassius on June 21, 2017, 11:34:22 pm
Post by: Draignean on June 21, 2017, 11:43:41 pm
A) You find this request insulting, stupid and reidiculous, and shall offer the Wizard something else (please pick another option from previous update if you pick this one)
A) You will ascend the mountain and help hatch the Egg of Nnrg.
B
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2017, 11:48:30 pm
Fix'd.
Post by: Draignean on June 21, 2017, 11:51:24 pm
It's only 6am '<.
Fix'd.
I see, then I shan't rib you further about your ridiculous spelling of ridiculous. :P
Post by: ZBridges on June 22, 2017, 12:13:13 am
Post by: Detoxicated on June 22, 2017, 12:37:27 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2017, 03:22:32 am
A
Offer him the necklace.
Post by: HappyPlank on June 22, 2017, 07:02:53 am
ADVENTURE TIME
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 22, 2017, 07:04:21 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2017, 07:40:54 am
Ask him how long these things take to hatch. We might end up sitting on it for months.
Post by: crazyabe on June 22, 2017, 08:11:30 am
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2017, 10:16:47 am
Post by: omada on June 22, 2017, 06:20:11 pm
Maybe they know nice resources for we to mine
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2017, 07:27:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2017, 11:30:37 pm
The Wizard tells you the location of the Nnrgs, and the nest, and how to hatch the egg, which will take three days. You send for the supplies to be prepared.
"When you succeed, I will come back to fulfill my end of our agreement, King Yoe." The Wizard leaves, while Battlebrother Deimos is brought in.
"Bleesings of the Alldivines upon you and your home, King Yoe. Unfortunately, the local Clusters have no trained faithful available for your cause at the moment. Is it possible that we could conduct business in the Autumn, when we shall have enough numbers to provide to you?"
A) "Sure, see ya in Autumn."
B) "Nah, shoo away then."
Post by: crazyabe on June 22, 2017, 11:42:49 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 23, 2017, 12:25:11 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 23, 2017, 12:27:23 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 23, 2017, 01:06:47 am
Post by: Imic on June 23, 2017, 02:30:24 am
We need to get a court magician.
Haspen! MAKE THAT AN OPTION SOME TIME!
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 23, 2017, 04:31:57 am
Post by: Qassius on June 23, 2017, 04:36:21 am
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2017, 11:10:00 am
Post by: Haspen on June 23, 2017, 11:17:40 am
We need to get a court magician.
Haspen! MAKE THAT AN OPTION SOME TIME!
Error: issuficient worldly magic levels '<.
You dispatch the Battlebrother with promise to get into business in Autumn.
Then you pack your things, smooch your wife goodbye, take oaths from your advisors not to overthrow you while you're gone, and you head south.
Congratulations! Yoe embarks upon an Epic Quest!
He will have a certain amount of supplies; to return successfully, he must have some supplies left when he finishes his Quest. Epic Quest can be cancelled at any point with sufficient player nagging.
About a week later, you depart the fancy hunting lodge of a minor Methiant nobleman who dwells just by the Ironbone Mountains. His wife and servants provide you with ample amount of supplies, as the higher parts of the Mountains are hard to traverse.
(Supplies: 14)
Upon reaching the mountains, a first dilemma stands before you; will you take a more forced approach, climbing the sharp cliffsides and slopes or will you follow something akin to a valley leading deeper into the mountains?
A) Climbing we go!
B) Let's take a walk.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2017, 11:23:04 am
Post by: Detoxicated on June 23, 2017, 11:40:50 am
Post by: Glass on June 23, 2017, 11:44:48 am
Post by: Draignean on June 23, 2017, 11:45:45 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 23, 2017, 12:07:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 23, 2017, 12:28:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 23, 2017, 12:46:02 pm
Let's not fall and break our necks at the first hurdle.
Post by: helmacon on June 23, 2017, 01:34:17 pm
let's do exactly that
Post by: omada on June 23, 2017, 02:50:28 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2017, 04:51:57 pm
Post by: Qassius on June 23, 2017, 05:39:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2017, 01:58:46 am
It's a rock filled valley, with naught but some grass and occassional bed of mountain flowers shyly poking from between the rocks.
After what you believe was a whole morning, you arrive at a point where the slopes are gentler but higher up you can still see sharp cliffs. But mayhaps this is a good place for ascent...
A) Nah, still too sharp. Onwards!
B) Sure, let's try climbing here.
Post by: helmacon on June 24, 2017, 04:58:52 am
Post by: Qassius on June 24, 2017, 05:19:43 am
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2017, 10:43:39 am
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2017, 01:20:42 pm
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At one point, you almost lose the grip on the very high part of the cliff, but you manage to pull yourself onto the rock shelf. You need some extra climbing to reach the 'top', so you take a breath and continue...
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Part of your journey is behind you!
The rock shelf extends further in what you belive would be southernly direction, although you could continue climbing the sharp cliff face...
A) Not stopping, climbing up!
B) Maybe let's find a gentler approach.
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When you wake up, you are staring at the evening sky and your back hurts like hell. You must've slipped and slid down, crashing back onto the shelf. Fortunate for you.
But your body pains you aso you huddle against some big rocks where you make your campsite.
(Supplies: 13)
By the morning, you feel better, and there's still this dilemma...
A) Naw, let's find a gentler approach.
B) IT WAS A SINGULAR ACCIDENT ONLY!
Post by: birdy51 on June 25, 2017, 06:53:36 am
Was a bit fearful that might happen. But, luckily we aren't dead yet, so let's take it easy for a bit.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 25, 2017, 06:57:05 am
Don't break yo neck there.
Post by: Haspen on June 25, 2017, 10:43:44 am
After many hours, you fear that you won't find any such place, but then you do! The sun's almost down, so you set up camp and rest for the night.
(Supplies: 12)
By the morning, you begin your ascent, which is rather a leisure and good exercise for your legs.
The sun's high on the sky when you reach a large flat area in the mountains, and, conveniently, series of caves. Old trash is strewn everywhere, from pieces of crude cloth to bone utensils and few non-human skulls. Someone was or is dwelling in these caverns.
A) Intrude into one of the caverns, being loud and easy to spot.
B) Continue climbing in search for the Nnrgs.
C) Perch on a rock and await someone or something to eventually come out.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2017, 10:50:01 am
A
Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2017, 12:34:38 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 25, 2017, 12:54:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 25, 2017, 01:03:39 pm
And wait...
And wait...
By the time you realize that you wasted precious hours, the sun sets and your stomach gets hungry. Thus, you find a sheltered place and camp for the night.
(Supplies: 11)
The morning comes and nothing changes. Just like the sun, it dawns upon you that these caves must be abandonded.
A) Search them anyways.
B) Let's climb up then.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2017, 01:08:38 pm
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You safely and quickly arrive at another layer of flatness and caves.
There are only few caves, and many bones - most of them gnawed - litter the entrances. You also smell the scent of burnt wood and rotting flesh coming from the caves.
A) LEERRROOOOY JEEENKIIINNSSSS!!
B) Hide and await the denizens of the caves.
C) Up up up and never looking back.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2017, 01:46:58 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 25, 2017, 01:54:15 pm
A
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Then you spot them - the dark skinned, hairy, brutish creatures. It's the orcs!
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Before they can react, you instinctively cut down one of them. The other two snarl and shout at you before charging you with their bony clubs!
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You deal with both of them, and retreat from the very shallow cave. Fortunately, it doesn't seem that the rest of the band - if there is any rest - is inside the other caves. You have sustained some cuts and bruises, and thus you retreat to a safer place, some distance away from cave mouths, where you begin to treat your wounds.
(Supplies: 10)
By the late night, your wounds are patched and the caves remain empty. It seems that the three orcs were the only inhabitants of these tunnels here. You decide to camp and recuperate.
(Supplies: 9)
It is the morning and no more orcs are nearby. You peek into other caves, which are as shallow as the one with orcs. You decide to climb up.
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You wake up on a shelf few meters above the orcish cave. Your back hurts nad you spend another night resting your body.
(Supplies: 8 )
Morning afterwards, you continue your slow, painful and risky ascent.
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Another flat area! This is probably the last; the only things you see up the mountain is its snow-covered slopes, the dark peak and thick clouds above it.
There's only one cave entrance at this plateau.
A) Time to recklessly run inside it, then!
B) Let's hang around it and wait some time.
C) The peak is still far - let's climb some more.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 25, 2017, 03:36:05 pm
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Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2017, 04:21:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 25, 2017, 07:43:15 pm
A
Post by: birdy51 on June 25, 2017, 07:48:16 pm
Must agree. We've no time to waste!
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 25, 2017, 07:50:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2017, 08:09:53 pm
Where's the "accept we failed the quest" option? Because I'm for that pretty soon.
Post by: Iituem on June 25, 2017, 08:24:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 12:09:07 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 26, 2017, 12:14:51 pm
Might as well get started on the next kinggggg
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 12:33:28 pm
A while later, you turn a corner and enter a wide cavern. Strange, diminutive peoples with shaggy black hair, pale skin, no clothes and only one eye on their faces stare at you. They also possess what seems to be prehensile trunks extending from where their navels would be. The females have long, soggy breasts. The males have miniature genitals.
They're all dumbfounded at your appearance, before one opens her mouth, exposing double jaw full of scissor-like tiny teeth.
"Nnrg?" She says in inquisitive tone.
Then you see a pile of multicolored stones lying amongst bones and clothes of some human body, long decayed into bones.
A) A-ha! Let's seize one egg as the Nnrg seem to be paralyzed by my glorious entrance!
B) Nnrg back at the female, pointing toward the shiny colored stones.
C) Step away and let's see what they do now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 26, 2017, 12:39:05 pm
B, let's see if we can make ourselves understood.
Post by: helmacon on June 26, 2017, 12:43:26 pm
it is a test of character. So I imagine smash and grab is probably but what we are supposed to do.
Post by: Iituem on June 26, 2017, 12:47:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 12:49:49 pm
After eleventh time, the female quickly steps up to the pile, picks up one of the rocks, and brings it to you, extending her arms upwards.
You gladly grab the egg and pull on it.
The female Nnrg doesn't let go. You pull a bit stronger, but she does an ascending, annoyed 'nnnnnnng!' sound.
A) Pull stronger in an attempt to seize the egg.
B) Let go, then wait.
C) Chop off her hands to seize the egg.
D) Don't let go and wait.
Post by: crazyabe on June 26, 2017, 01:03:03 pm
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Post by: Harry Baldman on June 26, 2017, 01:05:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 01:10:50 pm
Time passes. The female Nnrg continues to hold the egg, staring at you with her one eye, maw agape, and the others are staring at both of you rather dispassionately.
You're getting nowhere.
A) Pull stronger in an attempt to seize the egg.
B) Chop off her hands to seize the egg.
C) Let go, then wait.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 26, 2017, 01:12:12 pm
Oh all right, can't stay mad at you Nnrgs.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 26, 2017, 01:13:28 pm
A
Post by: Detoxicated on June 26, 2017, 02:02:51 pm
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Post by: helmacon on June 26, 2017, 02:23:29 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 26, 2017, 02:27:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 02:29:03 pm
The female Nnrg then carries it away to the pile and they sit all together, starting to munch on what seems to be some thick looking, but small, mushrooms.
A) This is the moment when I take one of the eggs and leave, right?
B) Wait a little more.
C) Point at egg, nnrg some more, and maybe offer some of your own foodstuffs.
Post by: Harry Baldman on June 26, 2017, 03:13:07 pm
Human behavior is economic behavior! Need as well as greed has carried us to these mountains!
Post by: helmacon on June 26, 2017, 03:29:33 pm
I'm tempted to do A, but I kinda want to see how this pans out.
Post by: omada on June 26, 2017, 03:29:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 26, 2017, 03:35:35 pm
(Supplies: 7)
They go through several loaves of bread, about half a pound of dried meat and even some apples. They look thrilled however, making 'nuuh' noises, different from usual and harsher 'nnrg' tones.
After a while, the male Nnrg graciously offer you all their mushrooms - about a bag worth of them, if not more - while the females leave the group and go through the egg pile.
The mushrooms doesn't look either delicious nor suspicious.
A) They ate my food, I shall eat theirs, a fair trade.
B) Refuse the food exchange.
Post by: Tiruin on June 26, 2017, 03:37:54 pm
A
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Post by: Haspen on June 27, 2017, 09:49:23 am
You sit near the Nnrg and begin to taste the mushrooms. They have a nice texture and neutral smell but the taste is a bit... sour? Tangy? Metallic, even, but munching bites of bread or taking sips of water helps get rid of the strange taste.
After few handfuls of the mushrooms, you feel very sated! (Yoe won't spend Supplies on the next two 'dinners').
Some time passes before the female Nnrg, apparently having decided about you and the Egg, come back to you, holding a pinkish egg...
...and they begin to melt into goo!
Then the cave walls gain some nice colors!!
It seems that the mushrooms you ate were strong hallucinogens after all! Teehee~!!
BOOM! The caves explode outwards and a big angry raven descends from the sky, picking up the egg that female Nnrg were holding in their hands!
"DO HO HO HOH!" Speaketh the ~ANGRY RAVEN~ "I am the King of Angry Ravens! And I shall make the greatest omelette from this delicious EGG~!" The Nnrg all equip their coconut helmets and run after the raven that escapes from the caves, and you join their hunt!
"I will boost morale with song of my people!" Says a little man with tiny moustache and a guitar that suddenly appears on your arm. He weighs nothing, strangely! Then he launches into high-speed tune that is well-made for this high-speed chase! (http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=cDbJuRucLXU) What a great companion he is!
You move out onto the plateau and the birb thief hops onto a unicycle motorbike and takes off down the slopes!
"We need to get our own machine!" The Nnrg say, and you decide to hop onto...
A) Apache-3000Z Combat Helicopter
B) 1967 Cadillac SuperWarType
Post by: Draignean on June 27, 2017, 09:53:02 am
It's the only option!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 27, 2017, 09:53:24 am
Post by: Prophet on June 27, 2017, 09:55:27 am
Post by: Elephant Parade on June 27, 2017, 10:08:00 am
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 10:16:46 am
Ride the bananamobile!
Post by: omada on June 27, 2017, 10:35:27 am
ξ!
It's the only option!
+1
Or B
Post by: Haspen on June 27, 2017, 11:54:55 am
THE ANGRY RAVEN is not a fool and quickly morphizes his motorbike into a hover-jet-bike-craft - speeding off into the distance!
The mad chase takes you between the mountains made of cheese and tofu candy bars, and then through the valley from which you came.
"Use the power!!" Both the Nnrg and your moustachio-ed guitar companion shout in unison. You look down at the buttons of the mighty A.P.A.Ch.E helicopter and decide to push the button that...
δ) Deploys the heat-seeking pom-poms!
ζ) Opens the valves on the Wave Motion Waterhose!
λ) Radioes the Alldivines for orbital bombardment assistance!
π) Engages the Nitrobooster infusers!
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 12:12:29 pm
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Post by: Lucus Casius on June 27, 2017, 12:25:26 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 27, 2017, 01:17:26 pm
λ+1.
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 01:18:55 pm
Also +1λ+1.
Post by: Draignean on June 27, 2017, 01:37:59 pm
+1Also +1λ+1.
Post by: Haspen on June 27, 2017, 02:10:09 pm
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Beams of multicolored light strike the earth, while the mountains curve and roll away from the lazors!
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But the ~ANGRY RAVEN~ uses a Soviet Radar Jammer to foil the Alldivines targeting systems and the attack is a failure! He thus escapes the the divine onslaught and the chase continues! Damned commies!
9) Time to engage the Wave Motion Waterhose!!
7) Nitroboosters - activate!!
5) Launch the heat-seeking pom-poms!!!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2017, 02:11:34 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 27, 2017, 02:13:07 pm
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 02:14:28 pm
Release the kraken cheerleaders!
Post by: Draignean on June 27, 2017, 02:14:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 27, 2017, 02:18:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 27, 2017, 02:20:43 pm
Post by: Iituem on June 27, 2017, 02:22:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 27, 2017, 02:30:21 pm
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The highly advanced pom-pom heat-seaking fluff missiles robotech all the way toward the birb, and then explode harmlessly in poofs of colorful confetti!
"Damn those pom-poms!" As your copter flies through the cloud of paper bits, the angry Austrian guitar man shakes his fist at the the confetti clouds! "They do nothing!" Even the Nnrg shake their heads at the pom-poms, which did nothing!
$) Compose an angry haiku about the pom-poms uselessness!
&) Let's catch up with the birb with copious use of NITRO!
#) The Wave Motion Waterhose is the only valid option remaining!!
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 02:33:17 pm
Post by: Draignean on June 27, 2017, 02:36:51 pm
Feverish Pom-Poms
Explosions of Confetti
Yet they do Nothing!
Post by: helmacon on June 27, 2017, 02:47:38 pm
$
Feverish Pom-Poms
Explosions of Confetti
Yet they do Nothing!
+1
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2017, 02:50:22 pm
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 02:51:31 pm
Gives us explosive pom-poms
But they are useless!
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 27, 2017, 02:56:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 27, 2017, 03:13:29 pm
~Feverish Pom-Poms
Explosions of Confetti
Yet they do Nothing!~
Explosions of Confetti
Yet they do Nothing!~
Your moustache'd guitar player raises a scoreboard.
Quote
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The Nnrg politely clap at your moderately good contribution for the grorious haiku culture.
Then the Nnrg point at the skies in front of your chopper - you've cleared the mountains! You can see that you're getting close to your castle, and so is the ~ANGRY RAVEN~, and thus you decide to...
Ē) Call the Advisor and ask him to activate the Sidebirb AA batteries!
Ė) Call the Marshal and ask him to alert the elite Birb Hunter Squad!
ALTERNATIVELY you can...
Ę) Attempt to shoot down the King of Ravens with the WMW!
Ě) Attempt to catch up with the birb by using nitro!
Post by: crazyabe on June 27, 2017, 03:26:22 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2017, 03:29:05 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 27, 2017, 03:34:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 27, 2017, 03:56:25 pm
AA Birb batteries go!+1
Post by: Glass on June 27, 2017, 04:04:50 pm
F, All of the Above.+1
Post by: omada on June 28, 2017, 09:37:50 am
F And something MOREF, All of the Above.+1
Post by: helmacon on June 28, 2017, 09:54:54 am
+1F And something MOREF, All of the Above.+1
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 28, 2017, 12:21:00 pm
+2+1F And something MOREF, All of the Above.+1
Post by: Iituem on June 28, 2017, 01:04:39 pm
+2+1F And something MOREF, All of the Above.+1
+1 quote pyramid of disaster!
Post by: birdy51 on June 28, 2017, 01:39:36 pm
+51AA Birb batteries go!+1
Post by: Haspen on June 30, 2017, 02:52:49 pm
The Sidebirbs are launched at the ~ANGRY RAVEN~ without delay!
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The hovercraftbikething of the Raven is engulfed in big explosions and momentarily obscured by thick smoke... then you can see it plummeting toward the ground!
Colorful explosions mark the crash site. But then you see that while the Raven's machine is wrecked, the thief himself appears unscathed!
Do you...
Þ) Carpet-bomb the crashsite with canisters of Agent Lemon?
ç) Radio the Marshal to deploy Methiant scarecrows to harass the Raven?
ñ) Release your secret pet war tricornes against the thief?
Post by: Criptfeind on June 30, 2017, 02:53:36 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on June 30, 2017, 03:14:26 pm
This is a pretty good read so far! Keep it up!))
Post by: Imic on June 30, 2017, 03:20:47 pm
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Post by: Glass on June 30, 2017, 03:27:57 pm
If I only had a brain....
Post by: birdy51 on June 30, 2017, 03:31:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 30, 2017, 03:51:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 30, 2017, 04:03:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2017, 07:21:25 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on June 30, 2017, 10:06:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2017, 11:32:25 pm
And then I read 'Yoe' and cheered because I thought stuff happened and somehow we became the High King of Luathbas.
This is appropriate anyway.
ñ!
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2017, 02:45:21 am
The swift hats bonce across the ground toward the king of Ravens, but the ~ANGRY RAVEN~ merely stomps on your prized headgear!
No matter now!
You have landed your Apache-3000Z Combat Helicopter and are ready for the final boss fight of the game!!
The Nnrg are at your side, the Egg is within your grasp, and the Raven is a powerful combatant!!
It is time to prepare a detailed battleplan!
£) Attack the ~ANGRY RAVEN~ with your dual lightsabers!
¢) Snatch the Egg from the hovercraftbikething's wreckage!
¥) Pelt the King of Ravens with your trusty Nnrg companions!
//Arrange the above 3 options in what you believe is the best battleplan against the King of Ravens!
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 01, 2017, 02:49:38 am
Then, £.
When you have defeated him in epic, drug-fueled combat: ¢.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 01, 2017, 02:50:03 am
£
¢
Obviously.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 01, 2017, 07:43:40 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2017, 09:42:36 am
¥
£
¢
Obviously.
+1!
Post by: Prophet on July 01, 2017, 10:01:20 am
¥
¢
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2017, 10:47:35 am
Then you duel him with lightsabers!!
And then you recover the egg!!!
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Congratulations! Jorge Takkei comes himself to tell you: You win!!
...
You wake up, terribly dizzy and wet on face. Soon you discover that you have a dead, bloodied, mauled raven on your face. You toss the bird aside and see the Nnrg humming and clapping hands together as one of the females kneels before you and gives you one of the Eggs.
You had a strange dream, but as you spend seconds trying to remember it (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7496609#msg7496609), more and more details fade into nothingness. Oh well, it surely wasn't out of the place.
You have the egg and your stomach feels full, even if a slight headache persists in your head. You decide to...
A) Begin ascent to the peak at once.
B) Rest for few hours near the Nnrg.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 01, 2017, 11:09:28 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 01, 2017, 12:45:16 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 01, 2017, 01:11:50 pm
We Don't need to indulge in any more mushrooms.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 01, 2017, 02:06:10 pm
No more mushrooms.
Post by: Prophet on July 01, 2017, 02:27:05 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 01, 2017, 02:30:49 pm
but let's take a few mushrooms with us, ya know, just in case.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2017, 02:46:49 pm
A! No time to waste!A
Because that was wild and mushroomy.
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2017, 03:13:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2017, 04:38:21 pm
After leaving the safety of the caverns, you begin your ascent. As you go, your stomach turns and your head gives you aches; nausea kicks in.
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3*
You slide down a slope and land on an exposed shelf. You take a moment of rest, and the nausea lessens. Then you try climbing once again.
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2*
You wake up, pain pulsating in your bones a bit too muchly for comfort. Not trying to risk further climb or a descent to the Nnrg, you huddle between two pointy rocks.
(Supplies: 8, none spent)
By the morning next day, both the pains and the nausea are gone, so you try once more with the climbing.
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Hours pass and you continue to climb. Winds pick up with speed and the air feels colder, and yet you gotta continue.
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The next part of the climb was rather harsh, and therefore you spend another evening and night, this time hidden in a shallow nook under a large, horizontally-oriented boulder.
(Supplies: 8, none spent).
Another day, another climb.
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4
Finally you reach your destination; the highest point of this mountain, and flat area with... a roost?
Apparently, the Dragon Roost is an actual nest. It is made from branches, pebbles and bones, of all things. It looks old.
A) Time to place the egg in the nest and warm it up!
B) Let's spend the evening searching through the area.
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 01, 2017, 04:46:52 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 01, 2017, 04:48:04 pm
Egg will probably die if we waste time.
Post by: ZBridges on July 01, 2017, 04:57:04 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on July 01, 2017, 05:25:33 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 01, 2017, 05:40:57 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2017, 06:52:31 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 01, 2017, 07:40:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 02, 2017, 01:38:49 am
"HISSSSSS." You quickly stand up and look around, before you notice a large, white, six-legged serpent descent from the rocks! This 'dragon' looks extremely pissed that you violated his roost and attacks!
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You manage to evade his large, toothed jaw for long enough to get into proper stance and draw your sword, phew!
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5
What follows its vicious exchange of attempted bites and attempted slashes, although you do score few cuts on the snake's skin. It only makes it hiss louder.
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6
Then as it overextends himself and tries to bit your face, you manage to duck and shove your sword into under its neck. The dragon-thing hisses in pain, coils and springs about, its large tail thrashing at you!
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4
You get smacked in the face, but you then manage to get away. The dragon hisses, convulses, and then remains still. After a good minute, you walk up to it and gently kick its head.
It is dead.
Few minutes later, after you cool off, you get rid of the snake's body and then sit with your egg.
As the evening comes, you begin to wonder if you even care properly for it...
A) Sing it an old human lullaby about Zaku and his seven elven princesses.
B) Wrap the egg in your sleeping blankets and lit a bonfire by the roost.
C) Just keep sitting it.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 02, 2017, 01:45:06 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 02, 2017, 01:46:30 am
So sad that we lack a spear for this. :P But woo, victory \o/
A
Post by: Detoxicated on July 02, 2017, 02:00:05 am
Post by: helmacon on July 02, 2017, 04:27:51 am
it needs some looove.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 02, 2017, 06:04:02 am
Post by: Taricus on July 02, 2017, 01:25:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 02, 2017, 01:28:18 pm
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It begins to crack! The egg is hatching thanks to your melodious voice!
A tiny unfeathered chick leaks out from it! In the next hour spent under your blankets, the chick grows up and develops scales, before chirping at you.
A) Pet it and play widdit.
B) Give it small bite of dried meat.
C) Leave the scalechick and head home.
Post by: Iituem on July 02, 2017, 01:28:55 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 02, 2017, 03:29:20 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 02, 2017, 03:44:32 pm
somehow, I don't think this is a nrgg.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 02, 2017, 06:39:17 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 02, 2017, 06:41:08 pm
Post by: omada on July 03, 2017, 10:46:41 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 03, 2017, 10:57:16 am
After that, we can pet it and love it and name it Tad Cooper.
Post by: Haspen on July 03, 2017, 11:18:58 am
It snatches it into its jaws and then scurries up the rocks and stones, towards the very peak of the mountains. You wait for a while but it doesn't come down, content in perching on a boulder outside your reach.
You leave for home.
Congratulations! King Yoe has finished up an Epic Quest!
Within a week you're back at your palace, and just hours after you get a bath and a decent meal, the Wizard comes back. You wish to regale him with tales of your many exploits, but he cuts you off.
"I know that you have succeeded in the task that I have given you. Look for a red swan and the fire of the grassland. Those will be signs that Queen of Vanity is no more harassing your land." The enigmatic, robed old man leaves your palace without further ado.
1082 AD, Mid-Spring
Strange reports are coming from the very southeast of Methiant! Soon after the scholars sighted the Red Swan, a comet, pass on the night sky, someone set fire to one of the grasslands near the village of Ynoen. The peasants, after securing the fire and then making sure it won't consume their farms, have discovered a charred, roasted body of a giant spider amongst the ashes!
Tis must be Queen of Vanity's final fate. All across the Kingdom celebrate the sudden death of the foul, wicked monstrosity!
1082 AD, Summer
News come from the north; Princess Dogethe have succeeded her father as ruler of Cydwyl, and has begun extensive military campaign against the Ionith. Reports claim that she has many Alldivine monks, Donuth mercenaries and, apparently, a Helliste 'warlock' at her side, whomever a warlock is supposed to be (apparently all he does is tell fortune from innards of dead animals and brew medicinal tonics for Dogethe's soldiers).
1082 AD, Autumn
Your wife has given birth to a boy! This time the child is fine and healthy, the medics say, and Auga bestows the name of 'Ean' upon the child.
Few days later you receive a secret letter from Kings of Dahnia. They wish to interest you in a surprise attack against the rear of Cydwyl Kingdom. They promise personal union with Dahnian royal family, heap of wealth and an enchanted ruby, Eye of Gods, if you can take down Dogethe's domain.
A) Naw, let's not get ourselves in a mess against Cydwyls again..
B) Sure, that is a good enough price to involve our soldiers. Blow the war horn!
C) They're doubly stupid - not only we won't lift a finger, we will forward the letter to Queen Dogethe!
Post by: Criptfeind on July 03, 2017, 12:11:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 03, 2017, 12:11:56 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 03, 2017, 12:26:07 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 03, 2017, 12:45:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 03, 2017, 12:49:20 pm
1082 AD, Mid-Autumn
The secret envoy returns; Queen Dogethe sent you nothing besides few words of gratitude for exposing the Dahnian's plottings.
1082 AD, Winter
The Spymaster bumps onto you, with few men behind him.
"What is the reason for this uncouth bumping of my personage?" You ask, and the Spymaster bows.
"My liege, we have news of utmost importance. Actually, two news. The first is that few of our servants have managed to divulge the formula for Fireblood from Felonsein masters. The second is that my operatives in the east have found evidence that a rebellion is growing in Ceodwell, the nobles plotting with the youngest son of King Aun, Eogvanth."
As for Fireblood...
A) Ask your alchemists and engineers to begin tinkering with the thing.
B) Begin a well-funded project to prepare your own Fireblood for the use in your military!
C) Keep the secret, secret, for now.
As for Ceodwell rebellion...
A) Send operatives to contact Eogvanth and his rebels.
B) Send anonymous warning to your father-in-law, King Aun.
C) Keep this information to yourself.
//No split votes pls.
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 03, 2017, 12:51:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 03, 2017, 01:13:55 pm
A, B.+
Post by: Criptfeind on July 03, 2017, 01:15:41 pm
C. Eh.
Post by: Prophet on July 03, 2017, 08:16:42 pm
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 03, 2017, 08:17:41 pm
A
Post by: ZBridges on July 04, 2017, 01:03:40 am
Post by: Haspen on July 04, 2017, 10:27:32 am
1082 AD, Midwinter
Silver, gems and Fireblood components arrive at your Palace.
"Sire, what about sulphur and the others? Shall we send it to Felonsein as usual?"
A) "Naw, renounce the treaty! My own alchemists will soon need the ingredients."
B) "Yea, we will be getting new Blackhearts next year after all."
Post by: Criptfeind on July 04, 2017, 10:42:33 am
Post by: Detoxicated on July 04, 2017, 10:45:24 am
Post by: Prophet on July 04, 2017, 02:35:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 04, 2017, 02:58:37 pm
Until we work out how to make the siege engines ourselves anyways.
Post by: crazyabe on July 04, 2017, 03:37:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 04, 2017, 03:58:49 pm
1082 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives at your study just after you're done appraising little Estant's heraldry skills.
Happiness: 4
Population: 4
Economy: 8
Army: 2
"Wait, the monks haven't arrived to speak with us again." The Advisor nods at your insightful remark.
"I have sent them another envoy by the end of Autumn and then, a week ago, but they haven't had time to reply yet, it seems. This means our Army is still looking poorly in terms of numbers. Mayhaps we should send for dwarves, my liege? They're not keen on providing mercenary forces these days, but given our vast amount of money, we could persuade them? Otherwise, we might send a cautious inquiry to the brutish, secretive Tiftit Hurthlings, as their slingers and knifemen are known for their ferocity in combat."
A) "Get in touch with the dwarves, please."
B) "Why not both? Send an envoy to both Zasitost dwarves and Tiftit hurthlings."
C) "Maybe after decades of isolation, we can nudge Hurthlings into cooperation - send them a message."
D) "Naw, I trust in the honor of the Cloisterlords. We will wait."
Post by: Criptfeind on July 04, 2017, 04:01:14 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 04, 2017, 04:22:04 pm
Very rich + very weak is a bsd combination
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 04, 2017, 04:45:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 04, 2017, 05:06:15 pm
C
Very rich + very weak is a bad combination
Fair point. I think I'd be okay approaching the halflings, but for this very reason I think the dwarfs are a bad idea. Dwarfs have always seemed like greedy sons of bitches, and now that they are into kingdom building I think it's a very bad idea to show them our hand. They might think if we're weak and rich enough to want to buy them as mercenaries, that we'd be weak and rich enough to invade.
Post by: omada on July 04, 2017, 05:46:38 pm
Hmm, nice event.
Post by: helmacon on July 04, 2017, 06:15:19 pm
odd that the monks would stop though. They have only ever gained from the relationship. Are they maybe having trouble as a religion?
Post by: Prophet on July 04, 2017, 07:05:30 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 04, 2017, 07:52:38 pm
C+1
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 04, 2017, 11:18:37 pm
My guess is the monks sold all their holy warriors to our northern neighbors.
Post by: Haspen on July 04, 2017, 11:38:46 pm
1083 AD, Spring
Just few days later, Battlebrother Roar of the Tech Cloister arrives to have an audience with you.
"May the Alldivines bless you and provide all you need and want, King Yoe. I've been sent to you to ascertain whether you wish to procure our warriors' services. Our Cloisterlord also wishes to apologize, but last two years have been rather hectic in the region, and thus we had shortage of youths to supply."
A) "Sure, send me your holy mercenaries."
B) "Nah, not anymore. At leas, at the moment."
Post by: Criptfeind on July 04, 2017, 11:48:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 04, 2017, 11:52:00 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 05, 2017, 12:24:33 am
Post by: Haspen on July 05, 2017, 09:59:32 am
1083 AD, Mid-Spring
The host of over thousand strong and young men, led by few veterans, arrives to supply your army!
Same goes for the second, smaller half of Cydwyl monetary
And few days later, an upset messenger arrives from northwest, carrying the news of envoy sent to the Hurthlings - or rather, what's left of the envoy! His dismembered head was found on a tree stump near one of the most outlying Methiant villages. The skin was flayed and the eyes were pulled out of the sockets. A letter was tied with rope to the macabre thing: 'Any Bigfoots tresspassink into the lands of peaceful Hurtlings will be killed, so sayeth mighty King Pepperonchini!'.
A) This means war! Invade the Tiftit Kingdom and show the half-humans who's the boss!
B) Let's just drop the idea before we run out of envoys, shall we?
C) Try again, this time with armed escort and perhaps some locals.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 05, 2017, 10:03:04 am
I don't want to wage a guerilla war against these primitives. They have little we'd want to loot.
Post by: Tiruin on July 05, 2017, 11:16:21 am
BThere's something that caused this and it wasn't us.
I don't want to wage a guerilla war against these primitives. They have little we'd want to loot.
B as I can't see any other solution being a better one.
I also bet it's something that had happened after Tven--since we treated them WELL. :P
Post by: Criptfeind on July 05, 2017, 11:43:53 am
B. We can't really conquer them because of geographical reasons right now I don't think. (that spookie forest is between us) so might as well ignore them. For now.
Post by: Imic on July 05, 2017, 04:25:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 05, 2017, 11:10:52 pm
Also, I was away for a few days, so I have to ask why the hell we didn't get the option to consult our wife before picking a side in her family turmoil?
Post by: Haspen on July 05, 2017, 11:34:30 pm
1083 AD, Summer
News come from the north; Kingdom of Ionith has fallen after its capital was captured. Queen Dogethe forced Ionithes into personal union by marrying their underage prince Kola. Rumors coursing between your courtiers say that she is going to strike the Dahnians next.
1083 AD, Autumn
The harvests were very bontiful this year, according to the reports! People and governors alike loudly murmur about this being a great opportunity to thank the gods of fertifility by throwing a great harvest festival - sponsored with your money, of course.
A) Sure, let's party!
B) Naw, not this time.
Post by: helmacon on July 05, 2017, 11:43:24 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 05, 2017, 11:49:27 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 06, 2017, 01:28:34 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 06, 2017, 02:46:19 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 06, 2017, 05:00:58 am
We have boatloads of money. Lets spend it before someone tries to steal it from us.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 06, 2017, 06:30:36 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2017, 06:30:41 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 06, 2017, 07:24:53 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2017, 07:27:20 am
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2017, 09:45:39 am
1083 AD, Mid-Autumn
A great purge occured in the royalty of Ceodwell; all but the youngest of King Aun's sons - who is now designated heir - were executed on charges of treason and conspiracy, along with at least thirty nobles and administrators of various ranks.
Your wife donned the white veil of death to mourn her siblings in accordance to her family's customs.
1083 AD, Winter
Gems, silver and Fireblood materials arrive.
There's also a report from the manager of the silver mines; his miners have hard time meeting the quotas as old veins are getting fully drained and new ones are hard to find. He writes that this mining operation should be profitable for few more years at least at current rates.
1083 AD, Midwinter
New host of Felonsine Blackhearts arrives at your castle!
This leads to potentially dangerous development few days later; apparently some keen-eyed new arrivals spotted some of your alchemist doing 'field' work on your brand of Fireblood. New spread like fire and now there's about thirty angry foreigners shouting 'treason' about their chambers.
You decide to...
A) Pacify the Felonsine engineers with help of your guards.
B) Meet with them personally and explain that this is clearly a simple misunderstanding.
C) Offer them money to keep silent about this incident.
D) Publicly renounce the treaty and send the Felonsine engineers back home.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2017, 10:02:18 am
Also kill whoever had our fuckking alchemists working on secrets in the same town as the foreigners who also work with those same secrets. That one seems like an obviously bad idea... We have more then one small town in our kingdom right?
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2017, 10:23:14 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 06, 2017, 10:25:13 am
Let's keep the charade up as long as possible.
Post by: Prophet on July 06, 2017, 10:35:22 am
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2017, 10:36:36 am
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3*
The reason goes out of the window when one of the engineers raises his sword in your general direction!
After the dust settles down, seventeen engineers are dead, thirty people are wounded and the rest of Blackheart operators were thrown into dungeon. What a mess.
You talk with your courtiers, and determine that best course of action is to...
A) Expel the Felonsines and confiscate their equipment.
B) Send an envoy to Felonsein, requesting talks about the whole thing.
C) Expel the Felonsines along with their belongings and Blackhearts.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 06, 2017, 10:39:02 am
A
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2017, 11:41:10 am
Anyway, B. We might as well keep leaning on that CHA, even if 3's are not going to cut it.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2017, 11:44:08 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 06, 2017, 01:07:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2017, 01:09:45 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 06, 2017, 01:16:21 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 06, 2017, 03:51:43 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 06, 2017, 04:08:16 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on July 06, 2017, 04:56:02 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 06, 2017, 05:01:51 pm
Post by: Qassius on July 06, 2017, 07:53:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2017, 08:48:29 pm
A An official drawing a weapon on us is an act of war.
But we can't assume that official speaks for his/her monarch, and we don't have the might to go to war right now, especially not with a nation seemingly capable of outputting a shitload of blackhearts.
Post by: Prophet on July 06, 2017, 08:49:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2017, 11:37:14 pm
1083 AD, End of the Year
It's that time of the year - the Advisor comes with Scrolls of Kingdom Status:
Happiness: 5
Population: 4
Economy: 9
Army: 3
"My liege! I'm happy to report that our Treasury is filled to the brim with coin and valuables! Shall we mayhaps spend it on some magnaminous project??"
A) Festivals for both rich and the poor, all the year!
B) Commission sculptors who shall build a statue commemorating my glorious rule!
C) Renovate and enlarge my palace!
D) Naaah! *take a swim in your riches*
E) Fund the research and production of our own Fireblood!
F) Build a grandiose walled temple for the Alldivines!
G) Send for dwarves so that they can create us a magical artifact of power!
H) Strengthen and repair our border fortifications!
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2017, 11:41:43 pm
I wish we had the option to invest in our fortifications. Our army is weak and our treasury makes us a juicy target.
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2017, 11:46:23 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 06, 2017, 11:46:47 pm
E
H
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2017, 11:51:50 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 06, 2017, 11:53:41 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 07, 2017, 12:32:06 am
Post by: Culise on July 07, 2017, 12:42:43 am
I forget, was specificly agreeing not to research our own Fireblood part of our agreement with Felonsine? If not, E.Nope. The deal in our entirety was simple: we send them ingredients, they send us Blackhearts with crews (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7467155#msg7467155). No restrictions on the development of Blackhearts or Fireblood. The only other thing we added to that was that they also sent us some money the first year. In other words, our little fiasco was a complete overreach by the Felonsine engineers. It is now up to their court if they want to double-down on it and back their engineers to the hilt (literally, most likely; the only way they could spin this in their favor is by claiming that we invited them to a personal meeting solely to ambush and arrest them to keep them permanently and thus break the deal, the knavish blaggards we are, at which point they threaten us with war) or disavow their engineers' actions in attempting to assassinate a king during a diplomatic meeting (because that's really what it looks like from our people's perspective).
I wish we had the option to invest in our fortifications. Our army is weak and our treasury makes us a juicy target.
One thing I'd note, though, is that we kinda sorta demonstrated what happens to fixed fortifications under Blackheart bombardment during our war with Cydwyl; absent counter-battery fire from trebuchets or Blackhearts of our own, old-style fixed fortifications will crumble pretty badly. Without some major advance along the lines of star forts or even earthen works, we may be throwing good money after bad. While I am amenable to renovating the fortifications, I suggest that given that we just alienated a major military power with bombards, we look at that the experiences of that war, not to mention those convenient (albeit unfortunately uncrewed) Blackhearts that we still possess, to help guide our renovations. With that caveat, H.
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 07, 2017, 01:07:07 am
Post by: helmacon on July 07, 2017, 01:59:50 am
let's scrooge McDuck it.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 07, 2017, 03:58:13 am
The sooner we don't have to rely on the Felonsines, the better.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 07, 2017, 04:33:48 am
H
Post by: omada on July 07, 2017, 10:04:20 am
If felonsine attack we call Salus and Dogethe (maybe we can transform cydwyl in an kind of ally? WEAKEN THEN THROWING AT OUR ENEMIES)
(Although temples to the alldivines might be a nice long-term military aid)
Post by: Criptfeind on July 07, 2017, 10:08:29 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 07, 2017, 12:17:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 03:37:06 am
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Your decide to spend funds on renovation of the border fortresses around Methiant.
1084 AD, Spring
Your son Ean has fallen ill with the dreaded Swamp Fever, which kills 8 out of 10 children it affects and leaves the 9th crippled for life.
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Your healers don't even manage to start with usual treatment attempts before little Ean departs for the plains of the dead. Your devastated wife dons the whife scarf and locks herself in her bedroom for a week.
1084 AD, Mid-Spring
"An envoy from Felonsines is at the gates, my liege" Says the gate guard after entering your throne room. "His entourage consists of ten armed men and some sort of noblewoman."
A) "Let them in, then."
B) "Turn them away!"
Post by: crazyabe on July 08, 2017, 03:46:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2017, 03:50:21 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 08, 2017, 03:54:11 am
Post by: Detoxicated on July 08, 2017, 03:54:36 am
Post by: omada on July 08, 2017, 09:47:12 am
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 10:19:18 am
"Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant!" The envoy bows slightly. "We've received your urgent message and we're truly sorry to hear that our engineers have caused you anxiety and stress! Such a terrible, terrible thing for them to do." The envoy dramatically marches up to your throne, stopped by your guards.
"We're here to take back the Blackhearts and our firemasters back where they belong, and to apologize for their unruly behavior, we offer the hand of this here Gedra, niece of Queen Karkhuta, as the bride for your son and heir Estant. The beautiful Gedra is of eighteen winters and has expressed her desire to remain at your court and learn your customs, awaiting her groom's coming of age."
A) "Eww no, take her away, and the Blackhearts shall remain with us!"
B) "How about you offer something else in return of the Blackhearts and your men?"
C) "Fine with me, as it solves the tensions between our peoples, and even brings them closer together."
D) "Uhh, no, just take her away, and you can take Blackhearts away with you."
E) *point at Gedra* "GUARDS! CAPTURE HER!!"
Post by: birdy51 on July 08, 2017, 10:22:13 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2017, 10:25:26 am
Ahem. No. As amusing as that would be, it is also a bad idea. Kudos to this girl for being willing to wait ten(?) years to get married, but I say B
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 08, 2017, 10:26:43 am
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 10:27:21 am
Kudos to this girl for being willing to wait ten(?) years to get married
Estant is almost 7 now, and considering that marriage age in SPAMverse is 13 (and throne holding is 15), it's more like six and half years than ten v;
Post by: omada on July 08, 2017, 10:29:12 am
Estant is going to marry Salus daughter right?
You agree to give away Southern Territories to Lametania in exchange for troops, money, and you set the girl up with your son (whenever you get one), as you're already married and the girl in question is barely thirteen.1077 AD, Summer
The switch of lands went smoothly and an entourage of Lametanian soldiers arrives at your palace, with wagonloads of coinage and thrice-signed pile of documents which allows you to call upon Lametanians if needed.
Few days alter you become a father! Your wife Auga gives birth to a healthy baby boy, whom she names 'Estant'. He will succeed you as Yoe II, when you die and he of course does not decide to adopt some other regnal name.
The eldest of salus daughter. The closer to the throne.
B Marriage already arranged(And we know that she want's to spy us), or wait for another son (and she might be dead when he growns up) or something else.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2017, 10:32:33 am
Edit: Wait, who's Salus?
Post by: omada on July 08, 2017, 10:37:59 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2017, 10:41:40 am
Harem Get?
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2017, 10:44:53 am
Post by: omada on July 08, 2017, 10:56:56 am
Let's be a nice jerk with sweet voice that will get more of the deal before we plan to keep monopoly of fireblood
We can call dogethe, maybe cydwill (as it is ally of dogethe against Ionith, why not?) and salus to bring doom to felonsines when they discover our intentions on fireblood. (If they don't get extinct we could make they sign a very disadvantageous treaty involving schemes, money and engineers)
And then cydwill might become weaker after spending money on us and army on others making our north safer, nice tricky guy we have don't we? If Yoe wasn't nobility he would be spymaster for sure.
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on July 08, 2017, 11:24:04 am
C, a good betrothal makes all things smoother.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 08, 2017, 11:31:43 am
We can call dogethe, maybe cydwill (as it is ally of dogethe against Ionith, why not?)
Dogethe is the Queen of Cydwyl, so they're one and the same for the purposes of strategy.
Post by: Prophet on July 08, 2017, 12:48:15 pm
Also "Greetings, King Yoe of Felonsein!" Good to see we're so amazing that Felonsein has already just surrendered their crown/throne to us. :P
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 12:59:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 08, 2017, 01:41:46 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 08, 2017, 01:54:37 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 08, 2017, 03:03:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 03:06:54 pm
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"That hurts us very much to hear! But if you insit; the alternative offer is delivery of some gold and silver by the end of this Year. Do we have a deal?"
A) "Sure, I love money."
B) "I will accept Princess Gedra instead."
C) "Insults! All I hear is insults! Guards, take them!!"
D) "No, leave and come back when you have something better to offer!"
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2017, 03:09:53 pm
B Harem go!!
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2017, 03:12:13 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 08, 2017, 03:14:29 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 08, 2017, 03:20:50 pm
More money is always good.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2017, 03:24:21 pm
Neither Alldivines nor old Pantheonism allows polygamy, so you're basically dumping Salus' daughter for Karkhuta's niece v:
Then why the hell didn't we mention the marriage arrangement to soften the blow? :p
"Sorry, the kid you wanna have the girl marry is already spoken for" isn't offensive at all... I don't think
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That said, money is the best idea. If we have enough, we get the option to do super projects at the end of the year. Telling these people "Fuck off we don't want your girl or your money" seems like a great way to piss them off and get nothing save an invasion.
A
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 08, 2017, 06:44:59 pm
Money! It's what keeps the machine greased!
Post by: helmacon on July 08, 2017, 07:59:44 pm
I do love money...
Post by: Prophet on July 08, 2017, 10:06:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 08, 2017, 10:53:05 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 08, 2017, 10:55:01 pm
A
A = Stuff more diverse than the other choices, it seems.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 08, 2017, 11:12:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2017, 01:49:51 am
1084 AD, Late Spring
The trustworthiness of Felonsein royals is on point; few wagons loaded with chests of silver and gold arrive at your Palace!
1084 AD, Summer
"The summer barely started and droughts scorch the farmlands, my liege." Says the Advisor after getting you into an emergency meeting. "The peasants bemoan as the young plants is dying and seeds cannot open. Many say we need to prepare for the worst and procure foodstuffs from abroads."
He then scratches his nose briefly.
"Ah yes, now I remember. Now that we do not have Blackhearts anymore, your alchemists are inquiring whether you wish to sponsor their work and establish an annual funding of the development of our own Fireblood."
As for the drought crisis...
A) "Sure, we shall buy grain from our neighbours."
B) "We will perservere without foreign aid."
As for the Fireblood project funds...
A) "Agreed, tell them to use our money wisely."
B) "Nah, let them just tinker with it for now."
//Remember, no splits.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 09, 2017, 01:51:59 am
Post by: ZBridges on July 09, 2017, 01:55:34 am
Post by: helmacon on July 09, 2017, 02:12:08 am
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2017, 02:26:40 am
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The procurement of grain went even better than predicted! Many cities stockpile enough grain to last them through winter even if it is going to be harshest winter in years!
1084 AD, Winter
Gemstones and minerals arrive at your Treasury; the silver does not. Instead, there's a report from the manager:
"We've on the dry spell, my liege. Little but few carts of ore has been dug out and processed this year. Therefore I must inquiry whether we shall obtain funds to prospect for other veins or are we to close the mines." You write a reply in which...
A) You promise him funds to cover his prospecting expenses.
B) You tell him to close the mines, at last.
C) You promise to contact the dwarves as they're masters of earth and will surely help us with this dilemma.
Post by: helmacon on July 09, 2017, 02:43:53 am
of course. We have to protect our investments.
Post by: ZBridges on July 09, 2017, 02:59:22 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 09, 2017, 07:33:30 am
Post by: Iituem on July 09, 2017, 08:08:37 am
Post by: crazyabe on July 09, 2017, 11:20:59 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 09, 2017, 11:25:13 am
Dwarves really like separating others from their riches.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 09, 2017, 11:31:15 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 09, 2017, 12:32:41 pm
With our army still rather weak, we may need to try and call on them for mercenary work in the future. Best keep them on our good side by throwing money at them in the meantime.
Post by: Prophet on July 09, 2017, 12:42:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2017, 12:54:00 pm
1084 AD, Midwinter
Your hear the news about northern war; after long and bloody campaigning, the Dahnians had to sign very unfavorable treaty, which entitles the Cydwyls to five years of tribute and reduces the Dahnian Kingdom by half.
1084 AD, Late Winter
Your dearest wife gives birth to another boy! She names him 'Luath'.
1084 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives, with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands. He places them on your desk so you can read through them.
Happiness: 5
Population: 4
Economy: 7
Army: 4
"The renovation project meant that the garrison captains needed new recruits. Either by luck or divine providence, hundreds if not thousands have joined Methiant soldiers this year, my liege. Truly a stroke of luck."
"As for our projects, the Fireblood research continues with little progress, and the renovation of garrisons is almost complete. The latter shouldn't take more than few weeks more, according to reports from garrison commanders."
You thank the Advisor for his detailed report, and return to your work.
1085 AD, Spring
The gate guard arrives in the throne room.
"My liege! Dwarves have come seeking an audience, while Battlebrother Angst from Cloister of Tech has come with offer of holy warriors."
A) "Let the dwarves in first!"
B) "Let the battlebrother in first!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 09, 2017, 01:09:53 pm
The battlebrother says the usual stuff, while the dwarves are unexpected.
Post by: birdy51 on July 09, 2017, 01:14:57 pm
We'll gladly see the battle brother soon though.
Post by: crazyabe on July 09, 2017, 01:17:20 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 09, 2017, 01:20:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2017, 02:29:34 pm
It is the runemasters group, the ones that usually provide magical artifacts for hefty price. The bearded, smelly, short men in dark cloaks bow before you and their leader, with large golden ring in his nose, steps forward.
"Greetings, human king Yoe. We have heard the stories of your riches, and we offer our humble services in exchange for your precious metals! Looking through the history of your reign, we have two ideas that we hope you will consider."
"Firstly, we would offer to create a scepter, which magic could lessen the effects of harsh summer weather, as droughts have been particularily strong these years in the region."
"Secondly, we would offer you a banner-shirt of mail rings and bloodstones. Its power would manifest on the battlefield, whereas those near you would feel great power rushing through their veins, while those enemies who dare approach you would be beset with sudden fear for their lives."
The dwarvish leader then explains who much they want for their services, and the Treasurer does some calculations, grimacing by the end.
"The chainmail would be as expensive as four years worth' of profits from our gemstone mines, and the scepter would could even more, my liege." After hearing this, you decide to...
A) Politely turn down the dwarves' offer.
B) Agree to have the weather-controlling scepter crafted.
C) Agree to have the decorated chainmail crafted.
D) Firstly ask if there are other payment options available.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 09, 2017, 02:45:51 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 09, 2017, 02:46:27 pm
It's not because we're rich that they should try to squeeze us for everything.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 09, 2017, 02:53:10 pm
It can't hurt to check.
Right?
Post by: crazyabe on July 09, 2017, 02:58:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2017, 03:21:11 pm
"We can have a postponement of monetary payment by twenty five years, if you so desire." The leader of the dwarves says, and then rubs his hands together.
"This is all we can think of, today." You decide to...
A) Agree to have the scepter crafted with whole sum paid after its creation.
B) Agree to have the scepter crafted and the payment given to dwarves in 1110 AD.
C) Turn down the runemasters' offer and send them home.
D) Agree to have the chainmail crafted with whole sum paid after its creation.
E) Agree to have the chainmail crafted and the payment given to dwarves in 1110 AD.
Post by: crazyabe on July 09, 2017, 03:22:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 09, 2017, 03:40:54 pm
dwarves aren't much like to forget, and we don't normally have this much cash on hand so it might catch us by surprise in 25 years.
I'm guessing the chain mail will act as an artificial martial trait for smaller engagements.
Post by: Prophet on July 09, 2017, 03:47:47 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 09, 2017, 04:18:45 pm
We won't have this much money in 25 years.
It could pop up at a horrible time.
Post by: omada on July 09, 2017, 04:40:53 pm
D
We will end with how much money?
3? 2 after the monks for a nice 5 army points
5 happy
4 pop
2 or 3 money (need do something if we choose army)
5 or 4 army
Post by: birdy51 on July 09, 2017, 05:38:18 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 09, 2017, 09:52:47 pm
I agree, the scepter is long term investment, since basically whenever we get fucked by weather we just end up spending cash on it, if we can fix that issue permanently it should (eventually, if we last for a long time) pay for itself.
The chainmail sounds nice but it sounds like it'd be mostly useful for small scale stuff, which is cool, but often when we're in the squad level shit that means we're loosing the war, and that's not where we wanta be... Although we'll probably end up there eventually... But, we're charisma king. Lets try to avoid war.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 10, 2017, 01:19:19 am
Weather control, exactly the kind of mad science this kingdom requires!
Post by: Detoxicated on July 10, 2017, 04:53:57 am
Post by: Haspen on July 10, 2017, 09:25:32 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 10, 2017, 09:27:48 am
Post by: Iituem on July 10, 2017, 10:22:48 am
Post by: Draignean on July 10, 2017, 10:39:03 am
Post by: Haspen on July 10, 2017, 10:48:11 am
"Then we shall descend into bowels of the earth and in the comfortable darkness we shall create what you have tasked us with, King Yoe." The dwarves leave the throne room, and Battlebrother Angst arrives.
"Greetings, King Yoe! I come on orders of the Cloisterlords of Tech, Angaven and Luathbas. Recently, there has been an increase in the numbers of recruits both entering our ranks and leaving for service in the local lords' armies. While large numbers of involved adherents pleases the Cloisterlords, the old Cloisters are unfortunately growing a little cramped and are in state of some disrepair. Therefore we were sent to procure alms for the restoration of the old Cloisters. I hath come to speak with you personally on this matter, as you have been always our supportive neighbour and amicable friend. Would you be willing to donate to the altars of Alldivines, so that our initiates can train and live in relative comfort and safety?"
A) "Nah, you will get my money only if you give something in return, warriorpriest!"
B) "Sure, I'm feeling generous this year anyways. Go forth and take some money from my Treasury!"
C) "Renovation? Why, I will donate a whole fortress so that you can create a new Cloister and have enough space for all your youngsters!"
Post by: Draignean on July 10, 2017, 10:53:26 am
If we can get some kind of minor religious title out of this...
Post by: Donuts on July 10, 2017, 10:56:04 am
The god-emperorship will be ours SOME DAY, damn it!
Post by: Imic on July 10, 2017, 11:01:05 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 10, 2017, 11:05:36 am
B
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 10, 2017, 11:13:40 am
Are we giving them an old fortress, or building a new one on our cost?
Post by: Haspen on July 10, 2017, 11:19:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 10, 2017, 11:37:32 am
We may get more regular access to the local cloister this way.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 10, 2017, 11:45:49 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 10, 2017, 12:06:18 pm
We just finished our own local renovations, so we will hopefully have space to spare!
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 10, 2017, 12:10:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 10, 2017, 01:31:08 pm
In fact, he comes to see you the same evening, his cape fluttering behind him.
"MY LIEGE! I have determined that we could possibly part with only two fortified keeps. One is the old keep some eastways from town of Endavyn, near the great forest in the northeast. The other is in the plains of Lech, once a small garrison that was keeping eye on a trade route between easterners and dwarves of the west, but as the dwarves permamently settled in the region, they had no real need for a road, and thus the keep fell out of use."
"Were those two renovated recently?"
"NAY, sire! We did do assessment and some pruning of poisonous weeds, but these forts do not protect our borders, so we saw little use in wasting resources on their renovation."
A) "Alright, let's give the warriorpriests the fort by the forest in northeast."
B) "Alright, let's give the warriorpriests the old dwarven road fort in the west."
Post by: Criptfeind on July 10, 2017, 01:33:03 pm
Maybe they can kill the forest monsters and we can take over the woods.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 10, 2017, 01:45:59 pm
I could see B angering the dwarves.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 10, 2017, 01:51:14 pm
Post by: Iituem on July 10, 2017, 01:52:25 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 10, 2017, 01:53:03 pm
No need to get the priests involved with the hurthlings beyond the forest.
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 10, 2017, 02:02:14 pm
Post by: Imic on July 10, 2017, 03:04:40 pm
Vast, is it just me, or does your avatar change every few weeks?
Post by: Iituem on July 10, 2017, 03:07:42 pm
B
Vast, is it just me, or does your avatar change every few weeks?
Reminds me a lot of John Candlebury's pictures from the CDDA forums.
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 10, 2017, 07:10:27 pm
Spoiler: Derail, sorry (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on July 11, 2017, 06:54:46 am
Oh my goodness this is amazing o_o Hello \o/Spoiler: Derail, sorry (click to show/hide)
Also one can mistakenly pick Iiteum's post as a vote if they're sleepy and exhausted :P
But it is currently:
4A
3B
A
I think we can handle hurthlings more than a diplomatic fault.
Post by: Haspen on July 11, 2017, 01:26:12 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 11, 2017, 01:28:55 pm
Tied vote, bleh ;v
It's 5 to 3! How is that tied?
Post by: Haspen on July 11, 2017, 01:46:48 pm
You therefore decide to pass the forest keep to the Alldivine religion!
Later that day you learn that the dwarves made a makeshift workshop and forge in one of the deepest prison cells.
Few days later, illuminated scroll is made for the occassion of ceding the keep to the Cloisters, and your name and royal signet adorn it at the bottom.
1085 AD, Mid-Spring
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You receive a letter of gratitude from the Cloisterlords, who praise your generosity even if the keep is in need of repair, they have time and resources to do so.
You wonder briefly it this was a complaint or something...
1085 AD, Summer
"M'liege." The Spymaster tips his hat, and you look at him emerging from the shadow of the archway.
"I bring urgent message from Prince Yovak of Felonsein. He is inquiring whether you would be willing to aid him in the noble quest to secure stability of Felonsein."
"And what that quest would be?"
"Apparently, Prince Yovak and his supporters grow weary of Queen Karkhuta's reign, and are seeking outside support for their... movement."
A) "Ha, what a fool! Send this information to Queen Karkhuta at once!"
B) "No, we won't get involved in this."
C) "Send a message to him saying that he can come and negotiate with me as I'm not gonna do this for free."
D) "Civil war within Felonsein is in our best interests now. Send a message; he will have my troops and supplies if he wants them."
Post by: Weirdsound on July 11, 2017, 02:50:53 pm
Also, they have Blackhearts, so raising hell with the Felonsein's seems like a good way to mess up our newly renovated border forts.
Leaning B, but I don't think my mind is made up yet.
Post by: Imic on July 11, 2017, 03:31:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 11, 2017, 03:44:02 pm
Because I don't know any better~~
Post by: Puppyguard on July 11, 2017, 03:51:50 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 11, 2017, 03:53:49 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2017, 04:15:21 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 11, 2017, 05:47:48 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 11, 2017, 07:34:43 pm
Perhaps we can hear him out and offer to be a mediator...
Post by: Elephant Parade on July 11, 2017, 11:11:52 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 11, 2017, 11:54:58 pm
C
Post by: Haspen on July 12, 2017, 09:06:20 am
1085 AD, Midsummer
Finally, the dwarves emerge from the dungeon cell!
They arrive in the throne room, they heads bowed and their leader carrying the scepter. Its shaft is of solid gold, and the head is made of rainbowy-like metal. The treasurer calls it Bismuth, a rare and expensive but not very useful mineral.
The scepter is also adorned with many gemstones, which dwarves identify as milk opals, rose quartzes, lapis lazuli, topazes and peridots. The tiny, colorful jewel pebbels run all over the shaft in four lines.
The leader of the dwarves passes the scepter to you, and you immediately feel how light it is and how warm to touch it is, especially around the head.
"This is the scepter that shall calm the stormclouds and pacify the sun should the elements attempt to lay waste to your crops and farmland, King Yoe of Methiant. Now, we wish to be paid for our services." You decide to...
A) Ask the guards to jump on the dwarves and get rid of them!
B) Ask the Treasurer to get the dwarves' payment with haste!
Post by: Iituem on July 12, 2017, 09:13:02 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 12, 2017, 09:14:15 am
We did promise, and last I checked messing with dwarves was a bad ideaTM
Post by: Criptfeind on July 12, 2017, 09:21:41 am
Post by: Detoxicated on July 12, 2017, 09:27:07 am
Post by: Haspen on July 12, 2017, 09:30:15 am
1085 AD, Autumn
Just as you receive a letter from the manager of silver mines, one of the gate guards knocks on the door and walks in.
"My liege, a 'trader from Felonsein' is here to negotiate terms with you, if I heard him correctly?" You decide to...
A) Read the letter from the silver mines and compose a reply to it if needed.
B) Tell the guard to bring the Felonsine to your quarters at once.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 12, 2017, 09:31:05 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 12, 2017, 09:31:44 am
We are a very busy king with important things to do. Besides, making people wait is a standard negotiation tactic.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 12, 2017, 10:43:08 am
Post by: Prophet on July 12, 2017, 04:44:10 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 12, 2017, 10:09:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 12, 2017, 11:37:42 pm
In the letter, the manager of silver mines informs you that despite the prospectors being hired and doing their job, only tiny amounts of new silver has been located. If the mines are to continue looking for new deposits, it will take more money and more time. You compose a reply in which you...
A) Order the manager to close the mines.
B) Promise the manager more money.
C) Announce that you will hire dwarves this time.
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 12, 2017, 11:42:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 12, 2017, 11:50:31 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 12, 2017, 11:53:00 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 13, 2017, 03:45:45 am
Post by: omada on July 13, 2017, 06:43:58 am
We will still get money.
"Hey, we have a silver mine that our humans gave up mining, we know that you can exploit better from the earth, here, mine for us we protect your shipments and we share profit"
Post by: Criptfeind on July 13, 2017, 07:32:24 am
Should have just done it in the first place. We don't need to sell the mine to the dwarfs (lets not.) but just getting them to find new places to mine is good.
Post by: Haspen on July 13, 2017, 10:24:49 am
Then you order the guards to bring this Felonsine trader in.
The man is cloaked just like his guard is, and they pull away their hoods before stepping up to your table.
"Greetings, and thanks for agreeing to my request in the summer, King Yoe."
"What request?"
"Uh... the request for assistance?"
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"Ah. You must be Prince Yovak." Prince Yovak nods as you quietly praise yourself for having intact memory.
"I'm willing to pay you tribute for five years after victory in the civil war, King Yoe, and I'm willing to have our powdermasters share the formula of our Fireblood. I know that your men are attempting to find the exact proportions, but it will take ages."
A) "Money and Fireblood formula is more than enough. You will have my supplies and my soldiers!"
B) "This offer is an insult! Leave now and let's not speak of this again!"
C) "This is not enough. I want more!"
Post by: Criptfeind on July 13, 2017, 10:27:45 am
If they can supply us with the formula now, we can make some blackhearts of our own to send to help him in the fight.
Post by: Imic on July 13, 2017, 10:48:32 am
We'll take what we can get.
Post by: Twinwolf on July 13, 2017, 11:43:07 am
We don't need to be greedy. The fireblood formula is already more than enough payment that will pay for itself when our armies can take other lands. The money is a bonus.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 13, 2017, 12:37:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 13, 2017, 12:46:41 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on July 13, 2017, 01:22:42 pm
"Greetings, and thanks for agreeing to my request in the summer, King Yoe."oh god we're going senile
"What request?"
"Uh... the request for assistance?"QuoteHeads
"Ah. You must be Prince Yovak." Prince Yovak nods as you quietly praise yourself for having intact memory.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 13, 2017, 01:23:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 13, 2017, 01:37:44 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 13, 2017, 03:15:37 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 13, 2017, 03:31:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 13, 2017, 03:40:49 pm
"Please prepare your troops then. With your support, I should be ready to rise against my mother come next Spring." He then pulls his hood over and you ask the guards to escort the 'gold merchant' to the gates.
1085 AD, Mid-Autumn
The guards announce that a delegation of dwarves have arrived, and they're let in.
The dwarves are bald, but have long black beards, and they wear cloaks of browns, greens and greys. They wear some plain jewellery and their beards are well-kept.
"Greetings, King Yoe! It pleases us to know that you seek our services so often, and therefore, besides coming to reply to your request, we also bring a proposal from our Duke at Zasitost. Shall we talk business, or politics first?"
A) "Let's talk business first, as it is urgent matter for my kingdom."
B) "You've caught my interest. Let's hear the Duke's offer."
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 13, 2017, 03:42:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 13, 2017, 03:42:56 pm
Post by: omada on July 13, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 13, 2017, 03:46:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 13, 2017, 03:57:04 pm
"He wants to bring our peoples together, and what brings people together than trade, crafts and commerce? The Duke wishes to see our craftsdwarves and merchants living and working along your human subjects, King Yoe! We would establish workshops and give your peoples the secrets of our craftsmanship, and how to forge the sharp and precious steel from your trifle wrought iron. We would teach your jewellers how to craft sublime trinkets and help your miners and gardeners learn the secret skills of earth."
"That sounds just too good." The Advisor chimes in. "What's the price for it?"
"The Duke would like to see a yearl tribute to fill the coffers of Zasitost. He would also want to hire your soldiers to help us guard the routes between Gubta and Zasitost, and between Zasitost and Ankurvat. Our once amicable friends and trading partners have been getting zesty lately, and so we need a new close friend." You decide to...
A) Accept this whole deal as it is.
B) Try to negotiate the deal.
C) Politely refuse the deal.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 13, 2017, 04:01:09 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 13, 2017, 04:01:41 pm
Post by: omada on July 13, 2017, 04:04:41 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 13, 2017, 04:07:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 13, 2017, 04:07:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 13, 2017, 04:09:52 pm
BTW, what's wrong with your avatar Detoxicated :v?
It's the new avatar fad, get in on it while it's still hot.
It's simple and easy to do - put your avatar image on Photobucket, don't pay for it, use the hosted image for your avatar. Instant savvy!
Post by: Detoxicated on July 13, 2017, 04:10:53 pm
Post by: Culise on July 13, 2017, 04:15:00 pm
Idk been like that since this morning... havent been able to check on it on a pc yet.Photobucket went pay-to-play: you now need to buy a premium account in order to embed your images on external sites. If you host there like a lot of us did, I'm afraid you may need to find a new provider. I may still be a mite bit annoyed by them.
B, as our soldiers are a touch busy right now. Plus, like Void notes, we may be able to swing a deal on the mine assay.
Post by: Prophet on July 13, 2017, 04:41:20 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 13, 2017, 04:41:32 pm
Post by: Imic on July 13, 2017, 04:53:43 pm
I'm gonna say we risk it. B
Post by: Criptfeind on July 13, 2017, 05:43:30 pm
And now they want us to pay for this generous offer AND we get to act as their body guards? Sorry, but no. A flat yearly tribute... That's an absolutely huge amount of money, it'll really stack up over time. dwarven knowledge seems good, but it's not worth literally infinite money. Keep in mind that the thing that actually ended the first (and greatest) spam kingdom was that we ended up ending owing a bunch of people yearly tributes... After we lost a major war, sure, but I'm not sure why we'd sign into something that took a war to force us into before.
B
We can, as always, negotiate. But I think we're going to have to reject this one.
Post by: helmacon on July 13, 2017, 06:55:40 pm
And who knows? Maybe the dwarves are a bit more amicable nowadays.
B
Post by: Draignean on July 13, 2017, 07:00:08 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 13, 2017, 07:05:56 pm
Post by: Baffler on July 13, 2017, 07:52:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 13, 2017, 11:11:27 pm
Suggestion: use Imgur, it may not last as long and may be full of Memes, but hey, its free!Idk been like that since this morning... havent been able to check on it on a pc yet.Photobucket went pay-to-play: you now need to buy a premium account in order to embed your images on external sites. If you host there like a lot of us did, I'm afraid you may need to find a new provider. I may still be a mite bit annoyed by them.
B, as our soldiers are a touch busy right now. Plus, like Void notes, we may be able to swing a deal on the mine assay.
Also, +1.
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2017, 02:38:55 pm
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"Our Duke told us not to negotiate the terms, but if you insist, I believe he can be persuaded to forego the first year's tribute."
A) "Nah, let's just concentrate on the mining business."
B) "Alrighty, that sounds a bit more reasonable. We have a deal."
Post by: Kashyyk on July 15, 2017, 02:43:23 pm
There are just too many downsides to this. A
Post by: crazyabe on July 15, 2017, 02:56:09 pm
Dwarves are useful, and since we will be having them live among us they will likely send at least slight help if we are caught off guard while we are defending THEIR trade routes.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 15, 2017, 03:35:53 pm
The yearly tribute in addition to military assistance makes this an impossibly shitty deal. And what's more, it's a permanent deal that they will be doing their utmost to screw us on as much as they can.
Post by: Imic on July 15, 2017, 03:50:19 pm
Post by: omada on July 15, 2017, 03:59:06 pm
That's why they're losing close friends.
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2017, 04:05:03 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 15, 2017, 04:12:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2017, 04:55:49 pm
The idea of yearly tribute for this is an absolute deal breaker.
Post by: helmacon on July 15, 2017, 05:12:23 pm
B
and what makes you think it is permanent? We could break the deal at any time.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 15, 2017, 05:15:15 pm
Post by: Iituem on July 15, 2017, 05:17:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2017, 05:18:13 pm
Yearly tribute, but they are paying us to guard the trade routes so it evens out.
Haspen, how much would the payment to our guards be worth? Certainly we'd know the terms before we sign, is it enough to pay off the tribute?
Also, how many army guys would we need to send out... Are we talking about a yearly decrease to our army size, or like, a one time thing?
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2017, 07:58:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2017, 07:59:55 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 15, 2017, 08:05:12 pm
Like when there was a bandit problem and we needed to set up guys on the king's highway it cost one army strength one time.
Post by: helmacon on July 15, 2017, 08:05:15 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2017, 09:53:37 pm
Traditionally setting up guards for patrols meant a one time -1 army strength.
This is true, but that's setting up patrols for ourselves within our own kingdom. This is selling troops out to others on far ranging missions to other countries. I'm not sure it'll work the same way.
Post by: omada on July 15, 2017, 11:49:06 pm
It will even out. first year nothing happens cause we are going to war (or we can still receive 1 wealth and go to battle with 3 army. thinking that the felonsine won't be focusing their army on us, and exactly when the war starts other nations are going to jump on them it won't be a bad thing)
changing to B if they ask for something more that isn't in the contract we make them pay for it. Let's aim again for the multicultural nation dream.
let's hope we have nice rolls and that the rebels have nice rolls too. (or we have nice rolls and the rebels have a mildly defeat, worst case scenario we call Lametania and donut.)
Post by: ZBridges on July 16, 2017, 12:28:11 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 16, 2017, 01:26:04 am
I rehosted mine on imgur because the photobucket bucket finally kicked me. :PBTW, what's wrong with your avatar Detoxicated :v?
It's the new avatar fad, get in on it while it's still hot.
It's simple and easy to do - put your avatar image on Photobucket, don't pay for it, use the hosted image for your avatar. Instant savvy!
Anyway...
Spoiler: We negotiated for a bonus on our side about this... (click to show/hide)
I mean I would be more open to "A" if it was more like 'Ok that's nice, let's go back to this' than 'nah let's go back to this' because the latter tells you're saying no than 'let's discuss that later then'. :P
But how much manpower are we talking about for the guards? Cuz if the deal is -1 army every year, that's still just as bad if not worse a deal then -1 economy every year.I think it's a one time thing. It's not like our guards who are around young adults or middle aged folks just die off and get replaced every year :P
Going for B unless other details surface
Post by: Kashyyk on July 16, 2017, 01:30:01 am
It would cyclically even out, except the times when you won't be able to provide fresh guards for the routes.This implies to me that we have to pay them one economy or one army every year. Vaguely better because we get to choose where we take the hit, but they're still demanding we pay them for too come live with us and I'd memory serves they don't get on well with humans.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 16, 2017, 02:08:21 pm
For people saying "oh, we'll just undo it if it doesn't work out." They want to integrate their civilians into the fiber of our nation. The only way to undo this deal at a later point would be to rip our nation apart.
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 16, 2017, 02:10:44 pm
Post by: Imic on July 17, 2017, 02:42:16 am
Post by: Detoxicated on July 17, 2017, 07:33:44 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 17, 2017, 10:08:46 am
BBBBBBBB
... Not so keen on this result. Someone quick, convince them to change their votes!
Post by: Detoxicated on July 17, 2017, 10:15:01 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 17, 2017, 10:42:36 am
Post by: Draignean on July 17, 2017, 11:15:46 am
I don't always vote to oppress the rights of short people, but when I do, I do it for economic reasons.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 17, 2017, 11:34:09 am
AAAAA
BBBBBBBB
... Not so keen on this result. Someone quick, convince them to change their votes!
The good news about loosing an argument about the future direction of your country means you're either pleasantly surprised and can sit back and enjoy the fruits of other peoples decision making.... Or you get to loudly call "I told you so" from the side lines as everything goes to shit. So really, it's win win.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 17, 2017, 01:14:12 pm
Post by: Imic on July 18, 2017, 03:05:19 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 18, 2017, 03:18:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 18, 2017, 03:56:13 pm
Post by: johiah on July 18, 2017, 03:57:54 pm
I don't even play this...
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:00:56 pm
Whyyyy ;<;
Post by: omada on July 18, 2017, 04:05:19 pm
There is any immediate bonuses by accepting B?
For example a bonus in army rolls because of high quality steel or in trade cause the gems would be better polished?
If yes i will keep B, if no I will change to A again to untie this thing.
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:06:39 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 18, 2017, 04:07:04 pm
A>:(
I don't even play this...
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:09:02 pm
A>:(
I don't even play this...
Well, technically he does play now, cuz the thread will now be always showing up in his Unread Replies ;v
Post by: omada on July 18, 2017, 04:09:28 pm
We can always send a letter back saying "hey, we are okay now, come on here", right?
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:10:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2017, 04:10:56 pm
No immediate ones, but friends of dwarves will ultimately get hands on ultra secret dwarven goodies one day ;v
Or, alternatively, end up with loadz of debt to dwarvish bankers and have our whole country go tits up... One of the two.
Post by: omada on July 18, 2017, 04:12:02 pm
They offered this one time without the money part, they will do this someday. We just need more respect. and they can always ask to hire our army in times of peace, money is always nice
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:13:43 pm
"Then let's move onto topic of prospecting for silver. We will of course conduct the search for new veins, but we want to be paid for our services - an amount of wealth equal to the mines' yearly output of silver."
A) "That is cheap enough, you've got the job!"
B) "Bah, don't you believe in generosity? No deal!"
Post by: Iituem on July 18, 2017, 04:14:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 04:15:54 pm
Post by: omada on July 18, 2017, 04:17:06 pm
deal A
(even if they find so much shit the mine that will be worth a lot more it will be still a thing.)
Post by: crazyabe on July 18, 2017, 04:17:51 pm
A.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2017, 04:29:13 pm
Seems about right.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 18, 2017, 06:00:39 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2017, 06:16:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 18, 2017, 06:39:57 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 18, 2017, 06:51:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2017, 06:51:37 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 18, 2017, 09:19:06 pm
At that point we are basically their tributary.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 18, 2017, 10:23:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2017, 11:40:40 pm
"We will now leave for the silver mines you own and see if how much new silver we can find." They bow their heads and leave the throne room.
1085, Late Autumn
You receive a collective letter of praise and blessing from the heads of local Alldivine Cloisters. They thank you for donating a fortified keep to their cause, even if it is in need of repair, they will be able to put it in good condition.
Few days later, the dwarven prospectors return.
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"Your mines are indeed close to the exhaustion of silver ore. We have however shown the miners where to dig - we estimate that you should be able to obtain ore from your mines for another twenty or thirty years. Your manager says he will resume full operations by next year." The dwarven leader steps forward.
"Now we wish to be paid for our services."
A) "A deal is a deal. Go visit the Treasurer so he gives you your promised coin."
B) "Hold it up, how I'm supposed to know it's truth? I want to postpone your payment."
C) "Never! Guards, get rid of these putrid earthy creatures!"
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 18, 2017, 11:47:14 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 19, 2017, 12:27:47 am
The dwarves have been such good business partners, I doubt they would backstab us.
Post by: crazyabe on July 19, 2017, 12:30:41 am
Dwarves are businessmen, not backstabbers.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 19, 2017, 01:37:05 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 19, 2017, 05:09:10 am
Post by: Haspen on July 19, 2017, 08:25:37 am
1085 AD, Winter
Gemstones and the various minerals arrive from your mines at your palace.
1085 AD, Midwinter
An envoy of King Salus of Lametania has arrived at your palace and has requested to talk with you about urgent matter:
The Pillar of Quiet Disturbance, an earthly giant, has appeared in Lametania! It's has chubby legs and thin arms, and it's tall body is comprised of highly viscous black mud. Its two beady eyes are set on its head almost sixty feet above ground. It doesn't have any other facial features. It intones the names of those it has slain and disturbs the dreams of sleeping folk with incessant whispers. Beware its necrotic aura!
King Salus of Lametania is already looking for a wizard while his troops are preparing to battle the monstrosity, which already laid waste to more than ten settlements, but he also sent to you to see if you can help him in any way with such a monstrosity. You decide to...
A) Send some troops to help bring down the terror.
B) Send some money so that Lametanias will it easier to deal with the aftermath.
C) Search for a Wizard on behalf of King Salus.
D) Apologize as you don't see any way in which you could help.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2017, 08:27:47 am
A
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 19, 2017, 08:29:15 am
Let us find a wizard, we can even do another quest and help slay it or something! Maybe a joint quest with the king of Lametania!
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2017, 08:32:15 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 19, 2017, 09:26:17 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 19, 2017, 11:49:06 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 19, 2017, 12:07:38 pm
Post by: omada on July 19, 2017, 12:51:11 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 19, 2017, 01:46:36 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 19, 2017, 01:52:13 pm
More wizardly questing!
Post by: crazyabe on July 19, 2017, 02:09:44 pm
Wizards are fun when they bother to show up.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 19, 2017, 03:21:14 pm
Post by: Imic on July 20, 2017, 12:49:00 am
Post by: Haspen on July 20, 2017, 03:39:52 pm
1085 AD, Late Winter
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No Wizard was met. The Pillar of Quiet Disturbance has soundly decimated the Lametanian's army, and has since moved westwards, causing more destruction amongst Lametanian villages.
A messenger arrives from a Felonsine gold trader you recently negotiated with, but there's also an envoy from Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl. The guards ask which person you wish to meet with first.
A) The Felonsine messenger!
B) Queen Dogethe's diplomat!
Post by: Criptfeind on July 20, 2017, 03:49:06 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on July 20, 2017, 04:29:44 pm
A queen is more important than a gold trader
Post by: Criptfeind on July 20, 2017, 04:41:16 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 20, 2017, 04:55:04 pm
Post by: omada on July 20, 2017, 05:23:03 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 20, 2017, 05:36:27 pm
So B!
Post by: Puppyguard on July 20, 2017, 07:28:02 pm
Post by: Imic on July 21, 2017, 12:04:57 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 21, 2017, 02:04:38 pm
If he's a Gold Trader he'll know he's less important that a royal diplomat.
If he's a "Gold Trader" he'll know to keep up appearances.
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2017, 08:13:55 am
"Greetings and salutations to the magnaminous King Yoe of Methiant. Queen Dogethe sends her regards and reassurances of good will toward you and your peoples. She wishes to know whether you can be truly the one neighbour that Cydwyl can trust, and therefore asks you for a favor."
"There has been a long period of harsh frost since late Autumn in Cydwyl Kingdom, and the crops died before our farmers could harvest them all. Our peoples suffer, and Queen Dogether wishes to procure grain from abroad. If you really wish to call yourself the friend of the Queen and the Cydwyl people, donate some money to our coffers."
A) "This is blackmail and extortion, something I won't agree to. Begone at once!"
B) "Alright, peace with such a wise and strong leader as Queen Dogethe will help both our nations prosper. We shall provide you with money.
C) "Queen Dogether will get our money if she delivers something in return. Take this counteroffer to your Queen!"
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2017, 08:23:01 am
B.
Post by: Imic on July 23, 2017, 08:46:27 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 23, 2017, 08:53:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 23, 2017, 09:20:41 am
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2017, 09:47:07 am
The messenger from the gold trader comes next. He wears a hood and looks over the people in your throne room.
"I don't believe our trifle affair needs to be discussed in front of the court, King Yoe of Methiant? After all, we're talking about simple golden trinkets here."
A) "Alright, let us retreat to one of side chambers."
B) "All matters are equally important for us and our men."
Post by: Kashyyk on July 23, 2017, 10:05:29 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2017, 10:08:09 am
Post by: crazyabe on July 23, 2017, 03:03:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2017, 03:22:45 pm
"Not that we are safe from ears of others, let us talk about Prince Yovak's-"
*TWANG*
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The miniature bolt strikes you in the calf, piercing the bone! You tumble over the chairs as the would-be assassin curses loudly.
The guards burst in as you lie in the growing pool of your own blood.
"Healer! Bring a healer at once!!" Your guards yell as the 'messenger' is beaten up and tied down.
Few hours later
The healers are tending to the wound in your leg, which is deep and serrated thanks to the bolt of the small crossbow used by the assassin. The Advisor appears at the side of your bed and bows his head.
"The captain of the guard has commited suicide over this incident. His successor had the assassin interrogated. We've found out that he had a tiny crossbow under his long cloak, with just one bolt specially sharpened to deal the worst damage. The only information the guards learned is that the assassin was working for Queen Karkhuta."
"This must be because she learend of her nephew's plot." One of the courtiers murmur, and the Advisor sighs.
"We don't know that. Maybe they've staged it together." He looks at you. "Rest now, my liege."
The next evening
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Your leg radiates pain just as much as it radiates heat, or maybe the heat is coming from your head. You're not sure, but you feel very exhausted.
"It has become infected?" The Advisor glares at the healers, who are very much scared.
"Partially, but that is because the barbed head of the bolt must've been coated in poison or old blood. The wound refuses our standard medicinal ointments and herbal essences." The Advisor turns to you.
"My liege, we continue the interrogation of the assassin, which has so far been fruitless, so we do not know if it's really Queen Karkhuta that sent him. Shall we declare war upon the Felonsines in response to this act of utmost treachery anyways?" You decide to...
A) Nod your head approvingly.
B) Shake your head in dissagrement.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2017, 03:26:37 pm
Post by: Iituem on July 23, 2017, 03:34:47 pm
Wait, do we know that queen Karkhuta sent him or not? First they say that, then say they don't know?
Highly suspicious. B, until we can hunt down the traitors in our own court.
Post by: crazyabe on July 23, 2017, 04:10:00 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 23, 2017, 05:21:28 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 23, 2017, 05:55:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 23, 2017, 06:45:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 23, 2017, 07:13:42 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 24, 2017, 06:41:36 am
B, surely this was just a love tap of an assassination attempt.+1
We need more actual leads than one or two to be able to declare war based on association.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 24, 2017, 07:10:34 am
A smart diplomat will not declare war on an assumption...
Post by: omada on July 24, 2017, 10:33:19 am
He won't be such a great help right now.
Post by: Draignean on July 24, 2017, 12:37:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2017, 12:40:12 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 24, 2017, 12:41:54 pm
Wait, wait, what happened to our amulet of arrow protection? Did I miss us selling it for a backrub?
That's actually a pretty good point, what the fuck do we even have it for?
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2017, 12:44:21 pm
A 5 would cause the assassin to miss completely.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 24, 2017, 12:54:34 pm
Because bolts aren't arrowsIs why you got hit in leg rather than headshotted v:
A 5 would cause the assassin to miss completely.
A 5 normally causes us to take no harm even without having a mighty dwarven necklace of protection (unless previous assassination attempts are somehow non-indicative here), so you still have to wonder what exactly we were paying for there.
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2017, 01:15:51 pm
/me performs time-magics.
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2017, 01:20:27 pm
...You and the messenger from the west retreat to one of the side chambers. You move to the table to take a seat.
"Not that we are safe from ears of others, let us talk about Prince Yovak's-"
*TWANG*
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The miniature bolt swishes by your ear, and you yell for guards just as the would-be assassin curses under his breath.
The guards burst in aand 'messenger' is beaten up and tied down.
By the evening you receive news that the captain of the guard has commited suicide over this incident. You're then given preeliminary interrogation report by his successor:
"We've found out that the asssassin had a tiny crossbow under his long cloak, with just one bolt specially sharpened to deal the worst damage and coated in poison. It would've killed you if it reached its mark, my liege. The only information we've learned is that the assassin was working for Queen Karkhuta, apparently."
Few days later
The Advisor arrives at your bedroom.
"My liege, we continue the interrogation of the assassin, which has so far been fruitless, so we do not know if it's really Queen Karkhuta that sent him. Shall we declare war upon the Felonsines in response to this act of utmost treachery anyways?" You decide to...
A) "They tried to kill me! There's no greater insult - invade them at once!"
B) "No wise ruler declares war on incomplete information. Keep steady for now."
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2017, 01:34:13 pm
We arn't wise, we are Talky.
Post by: Iituem on July 24, 2017, 02:43:59 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 24, 2017, 02:53:47 pm
Does the Spymaster have anything on this, anyway?
He might have at this point discovered that Queen Karkhuta has a heir whose name may or may not be Prince Yovak.
Anyway, still B.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 24, 2017, 03:09:37 pm
Post by: Imic on July 24, 2017, 03:14:19 pm
Why did the captain of the guard commit suicide again?
Post by: Draignean on July 24, 2017, 03:15:51 pm
Does the Spymaster have anything on this, anyway?
He might have at this point discovered that Queen Karkhuta has a heir whose name may or may not be Prince Yovak.
Anyway, still B.
Give the man some credit, he's probably found out that man of great power in the Methiant court is planning to meet with go-between of Prince Yovak- but that the go-between is secretly an assassin!
B
Post by: Puppyguard on July 24, 2017, 03:53:36 pm
A.We're not foolish either.
We arn't wise, we are Talky.
B.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2017, 03:58:49 pm
We aren't martial, we are Talky.
Post by: Tiruin on July 25, 2017, 06:17:08 am
I mourn for our poor Captain of the Guard :< such a caring fellow took it too heavily on himself.Does the Spymaster have anything on this, anyway?
He might have at this point discovered that Queen Karkhuta has a heir whose name may or may not be Prince Yovak.
Anyway, still B.
Still B
"We've found out that the asssassin had a tiny crossbow under his long cloak, with just one bolt specially sharpened to deal the worst damage and coated in poison. It would've killed you if it reached its mark, my liege. The only information we've learned is that the assassin was working for Queen Karkhuta, apparently."...Can we reuse this?
Post by: omada on July 25, 2017, 10:47:10 am
Till there, our spymaster work here (and come on guys, he discovered a plot in ceodwell, and he made us an arrangement with Yovak)
Post by: Prophet on July 25, 2017, 11:22:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 25, 2017, 04:44:10 pm
Post by: Iituem on July 26, 2017, 03:15:13 am
Post by: omada on July 26, 2017, 10:00:43 am
Spoiler: Current Map of Methiant and Its Many Many Neighbours (click to show/hide)
There are too many queens in charge of angry neighboring nations, does someone mind giving a brief overview of the locality of Mrthiant so I can work out who tried to do what to us?
Ceodwell to the right is where our father in law rules. we helped
Lametania down in the map bought us a bit of land and owe us a daughter to our son and we call their army 1 time
Cydwyl to the north tried to steal our mines, and failed. And we invaded their lands and screwed their bigger army with dahnia, Dahnia got screwed real hard and cydwyl begun to paid us 1 wealth for 5 year. Recently they act as if we are friends i don't know if it is a cold war or if its because we showed that the dahnia tried to attack then again. I think it's queen dogethe the ruler.
Donuth and it's dictator want our help to screw the felonsine.
Felonsineto the left has the fireblood and black heart, prince Yovak want's to kill his mother with a name that i can't write (each year that pass the names get harder), we decided to help him, and we think that MAYBE his mother the queen tried to kill us.
Post by: Iituem on July 26, 2017, 10:49:10 am
Spoiler: Current Map of Methiant and Its Many Many Neighbours (click to show/hide)There are too many queens in charge of angry neighboring nations, does someone mind giving a brief overview of the locality of Mrthiant so I can work out who tried to do what to us?
Ceodwell to the right is where our father in law rules. we helped
Lametania down in the map bought us a bit of land and owe us a daughter to our son and we call their army 1 time
Cydwyl to the north tried to steal our mines, and failed. And we invaded their lands and screwed their bigger army with dahnia, Dahnia got screwed real hard and cydwyl begun to paid us 1 wealth for 5 year. Recently they act as if we are friends i don't know if it is a cold war or if its because we showed that the dahnia tried to attack then again. I think it's queen dogethe the ruler.
Donuth and it's dictator want our help to screw the felonsine.
Felonsineto the left has the fireblood and black heart, prince Yovak want's to kill his mother with a name that i can't write (each year that pass the names get harder), we decided to help him, and we think that MAYBE his mother the queen tried to kill us.
Correction on Dogethe's tribute; it's already paid. 5 times a year's tribute, but she paid 3/5ths immediately and 2/5ths a year later.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 26, 2017, 11:18:36 am
Correction on Dogethe's tribute; it's already paid. 5 times a year's tribute, but she paid 3/5ths immediately and 2/5ths a year later.
So that's where we got that shitton of money from, I actually missed that!
Post by: Kashyyk on July 26, 2017, 11:30:03 am
Post by: Haspen on July 26, 2017, 11:38:40 am
1085 AD, Late Winter
You hear that there was a revolt in Felonsein; Queen Karkhuta's loyalists briefly spurred with rebels led by a clique of nobles, but Prince Yovak was killed early in the fighting, and his forces scattered while his supporters disappeared. Rumors have it that he was forced out of his hideout early and thus was caught in middle of preparations. Some believe someone must've informed Queen Karkhuta of this beforehand.
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No Wizard for Lametanians, and the necrotic beast is still loitering in their lands.
1085 AD, End of the Year
It's that time of the year!
Happiness: 5
Population: 4
Economy: 0!
Army: 4
"Before we get to the urgent matters of our treasury, please have a look on the exquisite update of the local political map your scribes have just finished, my liege, based on hearsays, rumors and news from close and abroad!"
Spoiler: The Exquisite Update of Local Political Map (click to show/hide)
"Yes it is beautiful." You nod in approval. "But what is this zero I am seeing!?"
"Alas!" The Advisor opens his arms in defeated gesture. "We have undercalculated the expenses of this year and underestimated the gains in this fiscal year, my liege! An increase in tax would be prudent, but I also have some other ideas..."
As for raised taxes...
A) Of course!
B) Naaah!
As for desperate measures...
A) Demand a 'foreigner road use' tax from the Dwarves.
B) Demand a 'paramilitary organization income' tax from the local Alldivine Cloisters.
C) I ain't that desperate.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 26, 2017, 11:41:05 am
A
We actually do have a value added service for the dwarfs here.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 26, 2017, 11:51:25 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 26, 2017, 11:59:27 am
EDIT:
"Alas!" The Advisor opens his arms in defeated gesture. "We have undercalculated the expenses of this year and underestimated the gains in this fiscal year, my liege! An increase in tax would be prudent, but I also have some other ideas..."
Somebody is skimming us. Gonna need to break some kneecaps.
Post by: omada on July 26, 2017, 12:01:48 pm
I don't know. i don't feel okay.
They wouldn't think twice in doing this with us
AA
Post by: Haspen on July 26, 2017, 12:59:23 pm
1086 AD, Spring
Some news from Lametania! Apparently, a traveling Imperial champion with an enchanted longbow have slain The Pillar of Quiet Disturbance!! He has been invited to the court of King Salus for the recognition of his deed.
1086 AD, Mid-Spring
"He did what!?" The messenger from Lametania sweats.
"My liege and master, King Salus, has decided to give the hand of his eldest and the only alive daughter, Ostia, to the hero that have slain The Pillar of Quiet Disturbance. That was the only reward the hero asked for, thus King Salus felt obliged." Your courtiers murmur aloud in disbelief and some in anger, even. Your son has been denied a Princess because of a commoner!
You decide to...
A) Demand a compensation for this grave diplomatic insult from King Salus, and to have the hero's marriage annuled so your son, Estant, can marry the Lametanian Princess.
B) Ignore this terrible insult to your name if only the hero's marriage gets annuled so that your son Estant can marry Ostia in few years.
C) Accept King Salus' decision about the marriage if only he delivers a monetary compensation for the potential political losses.
D) Inform King Salus that you're no longer on friendly terms.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 26, 2017, 01:01:42 pm
Cash please
Post by: Detoxicated on July 26, 2017, 01:03:44 pm
Post by: Qassius on July 26, 2017, 01:09:00 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 26, 2017, 01:13:12 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 26, 2017, 01:22:21 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 26, 2017, 01:29:23 pm
Post by: Imic on July 26, 2017, 01:33:07 pm
We must contain our anger until we can get everything under control.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 26, 2017, 01:34:38 pm
Hard cash will soothe our disappointment! We're practically half-dwarf already, it seems.
Post by: omada on July 26, 2017, 02:03:16 pm
We could get more attached to the felonsien.
Post by: Haspen on July 26, 2017, 02:25:32 pm
1086 AD, Summer
The dwarves have sent few wagons worth of silver. Their emissaries and guards attached to the wagons didn't say anything.
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The message from King Salus is full of cheap flattery, and a counter-proposal. He is hard on wealth himself, but he offers to compensate later and sponsor Estant's luxurious wedding whenever he will be ready to marry someone.
A) That won't do! Shut up and give me my money already!
B) Just let's drop the topic because we won't get anywhere it seems.
C) Fine, this will work. *mark the date on calendar of festivities with triple !*
D) THIS MEANS WAR!!
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 26, 2017, 02:27:08 pm
We'll make him regret those words.
Post by: Draignean on July 26, 2017, 02:36:18 pm
Estant is going to get married in the imperial treasure vault, and we're going to be decorating with gold. Fucktons of gold.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 26, 2017, 02:58:57 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 26, 2017, 03:14:28 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 26, 2017, 03:54:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 26, 2017, 09:11:34 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 26, 2017, 09:14:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 26, 2017, 09:24:45 pm
"You agree to give away Southern Territories to Lametania in exchange for troops, money, and you set the girl up with your son (whenever you get one), as you're already married and the girl in question is barely thirteen."
This wasn't no simple marriage. We gave up a large chunk of land for that marriage and for him simple break his oath means he better be willing to pay. Otherwise the deal should be void and we should get our land back. As he hasn't given us two of the things he promised yet. How can we trust an oath breaker to come to our aid anyway? He's shown he is willing to cheat us and go back on his word already. We shouldn't even be settling with vague promises in the first place considering he is just as likely to not do so when it comes time for him to pay. In fact I'm changing my vote to
[Then I remember we're broke ;-;]
Still C then. Even though I'm now sure we'll get cheated by Salus again later. :'(
Post by: Kashyyk on July 27, 2017, 01:20:19 am
Or just D and take it back ourselves.
Post by: Iituem on July 27, 2017, 06:56:24 am
Post by: Ghazkull on July 27, 2017, 07:11:30 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2017, 07:20:04 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 27, 2017, 07:21:49 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 27, 2017, 07:32:57 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 27, 2017, 07:38:01 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2017, 07:40:44 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 27, 2017, 07:43:28 am
Well that was a quick turn around of votes. One moment everyone is c, now D is winning.
It makes a certain mathematical sense - we've still got Blackhearts as far as I'm aware and Salus seemingly doesn't, which doesn't bode well for his keeps. He's also likely got a morale problem from being bumravaged by the Pillar for like a year or two, which ought to help an invasion.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2017, 07:45:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 27, 2017, 07:56:07 am
Post by: omada on July 27, 2017, 10:45:10 am
Cydywyl is no ally, don't turn our back on them.
We don't have Blackheart, felonsien took them back.
The only that might help us, is ceodwell, but last time we got news from their military they were having hard time with gutba and felonsien.
He don't have money? fine. Give us that artifact he offered first or the other. (He has murdertime and something else)
C or A
If there was another option for what i said i would vote it.
If we ever go to war we should steal the artifacts. the two family ones and of the hero.
Post by: Prophet on July 27, 2017, 10:47:30 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2017, 10:47:48 am
Post by: Draignean on July 27, 2017, 10:49:01 am
"King Salus IV promises to pay you a mountain of wealth in return for the Southern Territories. Additionaly, he offers the hand of his eldest daughter to you in marriage, as well as to provide troops for Methiant in case of war, but only once."
"You agree to give away Southern Territories to Lametania in exchange for troops, money, and you set the girl up with your son (whenever you get one), as you're already married and the girl in question is barely thirteen."
Oh damn, I'd forgotten this.
Swapping my vote to D.
Pillage his land, his reputation, his treasury, and -time permitting- his daughter.
D
Post by: helmacon on July 27, 2017, 10:51:42 am
Post by: Haspen on July 27, 2017, 11:03:56 am
Few hours later, you meet with your courtiers.
"So what shape shall our anger take, King Yoe?"
A) "We will boil behind his back so that he shall live in constant fear!"
B) "We will raid into his territories to get the compensation for his deeds from his people!"
C) "We will move our Army to reclaim the near-mountain territories and wage war against the honorless Lametanians!"
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2017, 11:04:28 am
Post by: helmacon on July 27, 2017, 11:15:18 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 27, 2017, 12:00:50 pm
Post by: omada on July 27, 2017, 12:49:25 pm
We could send an letter later to felonsine to lie saying "Glad that you received my letter pointing to your's son plot"
Post by: Kashyyk on July 27, 2017, 01:05:02 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 27, 2017, 02:12:54 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on July 27, 2017, 03:14:28 pm
Their armies are gone.
Perhaps we can acquire money from raiding their villages and towns?
Post by: Prophet on July 27, 2017, 09:23:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 27, 2017, 11:40:40 pm
"MY LIEGE! Will you lead us to glory and victory yourself!?"
A) "Nah, I'm not a warrior, you will do that."
B) "Indeed, I will personally see it that we win!!"
Post by: Kashyyk on July 28, 2017, 12:54:58 am
We have the amulet of not getting shot, so we just need to avoid mêlée!
Post by: ZBridges on July 28, 2017, 01:42:54 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 28, 2017, 01:46:25 am
But that is the way it is... so...
A
Post by: Baffler on July 28, 2017, 02:21:24 am
Anyway this is not likely to be a hard fight, better to just send the marshal so we don't have to put a steward in charge at home.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 28, 2017, 02:41:50 am
We're not martial by any means, but at least we'll be able to lead field negotiations this way.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 28, 2017, 05:34:19 am
Maybe if we stay in court we can actually network with other foreign powers a bit during this?
Post by: Iituem on July 28, 2017, 09:27:04 am
B
We're not martial by any means, but at least we'll be able to lead field negotiations this way.
Post by: omada on July 28, 2017, 09:35:39 am
A> we can make sure that other countries wouldn't use this chance against us.
We can go to the field later to negotiate something, right? Make many travels from field to the court together with the suplies? Or to send letters to the first cities that we siege asking to return for his old king? send a messenger with a group of trumpeters to read our letters out loud like in the movie Shrek?
One way or another we should still act to the felonsine when we get the chance "We are glad that she received our warning, we were pre-occupied when we saw the same contact going back to kill us. Do you believe that this little moron tried to say that it was you who tried to kill us? Certainly it was Yovak trying to make us declare war."
Post by: Detoxicated on July 28, 2017, 10:42:33 am
B
Post by: Puppyguard on July 29, 2017, 06:06:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 30, 2017, 03:06:22 am
How old are we?
The initial, 'tailored' king always starts at 20, so by now he is about 30? ;v
You eagerly decide to lead the armies of Methiant against the vile Lametanian dogs!
Congratulations! Yoe embarks on a military campaign!
1086 AD, Midsummer
A less than month later, your Army enters the territories once belonging to Methiant.
For a week, you continue unopposed, except maybe few scout and skirmisher groups that are easily driven away or outright defeated by your horsemen. Local mayors and village elders, most of them still indigenous Methiantese, don't protest too much about the change in their taxmasters.
Finally, you reach the Lamas Keep; a small fortress which stands guard by the road leading toward Lametanian capital. It is perched on a hill and there are only two real routes of climb towards it. Your scouts and agents have estimated that about 400 men could comfortably garrison it, but they weren't able to discern whether the keep does in fact has a full garrison nowadays.
Your officers convene with you, and after a while one of them speaks up: "My liege, we have almost four thousand men and the Blackhearts at our disposal. What shall we do about the Lamas Keep?"
A) "Lay siege to it with some men, while the continues on to Lametanian capital!"
B) "Lay waste to it to give Lametanians the taste of Blackheart's fearsome power!"
C) "We shall take a longer route to evade the keep and march to the capital!"
Post by: Kashyyk on July 30, 2017, 04:27:37 am
We don't want want to damage our De jure lands after all.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 30, 2017, 04:27:58 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 30, 2017, 04:56:14 am
Post by: crazyabe on July 30, 2017, 12:33:30 pm
Post by: omada on July 30, 2017, 12:43:57 pm
The keep will see an sea of man passing around them and some staying with a letter for them to surrender.
Post by: Puppyguard on July 30, 2017, 04:53:39 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 30, 2017, 06:22:42 pm
The last thing we need is them breaking the seige, and an army marching up our rear.
Post by: Haspen on July 30, 2017, 11:30:54 pm
Several days later, your scouts report that western parts of Lametania has been invaded by troops of Queen Karkhuta of Felonsein! Your offices convene with you to discuss this extraordinary event, and you decide to...
A) Not pay attention to her and continue with your own plans.
B) Send a diplomatic envoy to Queen Karkhuta.
C) Detour your army so you can meet with Queen Karkhuta.
D) Camp here for a week or so and see how war situation develops for her.
Post by: crazyabe on July 30, 2017, 11:42:54 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 30, 2017, 11:59:34 pm
Yay. Maybe we'll be able to split it up with her.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 31, 2017, 12:04:24 am
B
Post by: Puppyguard on July 31, 2017, 12:14:07 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 31, 2017, 02:46:20 am
We've had our differences, clearly, but can we find common ground in destroying the wretched Lametanian bastards? We take back our old lands and a little extra for damages, you demand the crown jewels as tribute? We can even help negotiate!
Post by: birdy51 on July 31, 2017, 04:23:27 am
A Best besiege the capital, then make a deal with them. So far, it's been a bloodless conflict. There is still time for the Lametian King to see reason.
Post by: Harry Baldman on July 31, 2017, 04:29:58 am
Are you kidding? Their Queen tried to kill us! If anything, we should work with the Lametians to end her. One insulted us, the other tried to murder us. And now she interferes in our dispute?!
To be fair we did steal her prized technology and meant to depose her first, so I can't say we wouldn't have done the same in her position. The Lametanians, meanwhile, reneged on a very important deal and then insulted us. Pursuing attempted murder is all well and good, but actual oathbreaking you should never let slide.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 31, 2017, 05:41:40 am
She may just be seizing the opportunity to grab some land, which just makes it more likely for us to press any claims we feel are appropriate.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 31, 2017, 06:00:31 am
Post by: omada on July 31, 2017, 08:01:11 am
We can still act like us tried to warn her of her son's treachery
Post by: Prophet on July 31, 2017, 04:44:57 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 31, 2017, 05:12:14 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 31, 2017, 06:33:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 31, 2017, 11:36:26 pm
Two mornings later, your scouts report that a 800 strong troop of archers and horsemen are camped on a hill overlooking the road to the southwest! Rumors quickly circulate that the Marshal and hero of Lametania, wielding his enchanted bow, is leading this unit.
A) Let's assault the hill directly, as we have numerical superiority!
B) Blackhearts away! We will blast them into submission!
C) Time to make up a fortified camp and invite them to come to us, if they want a fight!
D) Let's split up and attack the hill from two sides in the same time!
Post by: helmacon on July 31, 2017, 11:40:29 pm
That's a very good position they have there.
B
I want to use the cannons when they inevitably charge down the hill at us actually. They would be much more effective firing into a slope rather than trying to land on top.
C
Post by: Kashyyk on August 01, 2017, 04:43:06 am
we have almost four thousand menWe left a few hundred at the castle, but we still outnumber them by about 4 to 1.
B I think we should bombard the crap out of them. They'll either move off of their strong, defensive position or they'll all slowly die via cannon fire.
Post by: Iituem on August 01, 2017, 05:51:18 am
Switched to C after reading the archives.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 01, 2017, 06:30:49 am
On second thought, let's still say C instead and not throw our Blackhearts into the mix if we can avoid it. Keep them for sieges instead as intended.
Post by: Haspen on August 01, 2017, 11:51:23 am
Needs moar votes v;
Post by: Iituem on August 01, 2017, 12:07:59 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 01, 2017, 12:08:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 01, 2017, 12:28:47 pm
The next morning, before the sun even drags itself above the horizon, one of scouts hurries back to your camp; a troop of 300 to 500 horsemen is sallying from the south to join their brethren on the hill! The scout says that they will join forces within an hour, two at most.
A) Attack, attack!
B) *yaaawn*
Post by: Kashyyk on August 01, 2017, 12:34:24 pm
Beat attack now, whilst their reinforcements are tired from the journey.
Post by: crazyabe on August 01, 2017, 12:45:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 01, 2017, 12:57:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 01, 2017, 01:19:40 pm
Your soldiers run up the slopes, greeted by continuous hail of arrows.
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Many of your men fell to the arrows, but the vast majority does make it up to the defensive positions of the Lametanians! Before their horsemen can act, a terrible melee ensues.
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Soon enough, the Lametanian troops are in retreat, pursued by your horsemen as the infantry counts casualties, both dead and wounded.
A while later you get news that the Lametanian 'reinforcements' quickly turned tail and ran south with the few of those who fled with their lives from the combat. Your casualties however are almost six hundred.
A) Let's keep camping for a week maybe?
B) Onwards, we have more battles to fight!
Post by: crazyabe on August 01, 2017, 01:20:29 pm
Now WE have the high ground.
Post by: helmacon on August 01, 2017, 01:28:55 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 01, 2017, 01:39:15 pm
If it does, A.
If not, B.
Actually, let it just be B then. Gotta war fast.
Post by: birdy51 on August 01, 2017, 01:46:38 pm
We're on a schedule here. We need to get sieging before the Queen.
Post by: Prophet on August 01, 2017, 01:49:50 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on August 01, 2017, 02:10:11 pm
Post by: omada on August 01, 2017, 03:57:39 pm
Tanks (horseman)
Bombers (blackheart? Sadly we don't have air units)
and footman :v
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 01, 2017, 03:58:49 pm
Sadly we don't have air units
Unless that dragon we hatched is super thankful. Would be cool if it was!
Post by: Lucus Casius on August 01, 2017, 11:57:07 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 02, 2017, 01:21:13 am
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2017, 01:27:39 pm
Another two days pass and your scouts bring quite a bunch of news.
There's a large fortress to the south, the Asortum Castle, just half a day travel away from the main road leading toward Lametanian capital.
A unit of about thousand horsemen is currently heading toward northwest, no doubt to fight against Queen Karkhuta's Army.
A lone scout managed to ride quite southwards and he has apparently discovered a troop of foreigners camped near the capital; they bore dark red and golden cloaks, and most of them were heavily armored swordsmen and crossbowmen. No doubt Damdamian mercenaries, although he wasn't able to discern if it's the Republican zealots or the xenophobic Imperials (according to one of your officers, they both wear the same colors, as they believe themselves to be true 'Damdamians', so it's always a mess to identify them).
You host a council, during which you decide to...
A) Camp for several days and see how the situation around develops.
B) Change course and besiege the Asortum Castle.
C) Continue the march toward capital of Lametania!
Post by: omada on August 02, 2017, 02:22:48 pm
We should Go fo B and put the castle to the ground with our black heart (or make them surrender) and them proceed to the capital
I don't know if these Damdamians are just taking the chance to grab loot, defending the lametania or waiting for someone to hire them.
Wait, imperials? is the damdamian republic and the empire from the map two sides of the same coin?
Post by: Kashyyk on August 02, 2017, 05:16:22 pm
Post by: Qassius on August 02, 2017, 05:47:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2017, 03:19:55 am
Within two days, you reach its immediate surroundings, but you don't get to even order Blackhearts to be loaded before a large contingent of cavalry rushes from the forest to the southeast of your position! Your scouts failed to notice them!
In a minute, about a hundred of horsemen will be wrecking up your precious Blackhearts, the Fireblood supply and the operators!
A) Send our own cavalry to melee the attacking Lametanians!
B) Order the retreat of Blackhearts while Whole Army marches to meet the ambushers!
C) Fire away! Let's strike fear into the hearts of men and horses alike!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2017, 03:37:24 am
...you don't get to even order Blackhearts to be loaded before...
C) Fire away! Let's strike fear into the hearts of men and horses alike!
Well that definitely won't work then.
A Is guaranteed interception. Cavalry is less useful when attacking a fortress as well, so I'm not so fussed if they all die, but I'd kinda like to do B at the same time so we can reinforce them once they've got the enemy cavalry bogged down in melee.
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2017, 03:43:01 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 05, 2017, 03:59:53 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 05, 2017, 04:29:49 am
I would rather our cavalry not fall into another trap set for us, bring our full army to bear, even if it means risking the blackhearts.
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2017, 04:48:17 am
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The enemy is routed by sheer mass of your counter-attack! The amount of casualties amongst your loyal horsemen is negligible. And most importantly - the Blackhearts suffer no damage. Phew!
In an hours time, your troops are ready to begin the siege.
A) Time to blast the Asortum castle into pile of rubble!
B) Time to plop down and enjoy a nice picnic for next few weeks.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 05, 2017, 04:50:46 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 05, 2017, 04:52:38 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2017, 06:34:06 am
Post by: Detoxicated on August 05, 2017, 07:21:07 am
Post by: Qassius on August 05, 2017, 11:25:11 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 05, 2017, 12:26:29 pm
Have a light snack with the lads while the cannoneers are hard at work. You all can win!
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2017, 12:46:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2017, 01:10:44 pm
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The initial assault smashed the roof of the mighty keep! The subsequent volleys smash apart the tall towers and soon a smoke follows, rising from the central keep, the attack proving more devastating than your officers could've imagined! Either by luck or maybe mysterious two explosions inside the keep, you reduce the once proud fortress to a sorry state within hours.
By the sunset, when there's a lull in bombardment , there's a loud horn sound coming from the fortress, and a lone rider leaves the castle gates, a white scarf of truce around his neck.
He is brought to your tent, where he kneels before you.
"My lord commander, Prince Alac, asks you for mercy and offers to surrender the castle to you if only you allow him and his garrison to leave for the south." You decide to...
A) Refuse to negotiate and continue the bombardment for a bit longer.
B) Grant freedom to Prince Alac and his men in exchange for the fortress.
C) Accept surrender only if Prince Alac and his men either become your followers or your prisoners!
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 05, 2017, 01:15:41 pm
They want to negotiate, great, but one does not let the enemy leave free to fight another day when they are cornered.
They can surrender, submit, die in the rubble of the fortress or die in a futile attempt to attack. We are not letting them leave free and alive.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 05, 2017, 01:16:06 pm
In any case, C.
Post by: Puppyguard on August 05, 2017, 01:33:59 pm
Calling it, he's going to try to assassinate us.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 05, 2017, 01:40:18 pm
Calling it, he's going to try to assassinate us.
If he's the adventure boy we could just pitch to him the possibility of deposing Salus as king and putting him on the throne directly as our vassal. All things considered it'd be a pretty good deal to him, and certainly better than us annulling his marriage and feeding him to a pack of wild horses or whatever the customary Methiant punishment for stepping above your station is.
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2017, 01:45:09 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on August 05, 2017, 01:55:46 pm
Post by: omada on August 05, 2017, 03:54:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2017, 04:56:40 pm
The envoy leaves quickly.
Few hours later, in the middle of the night, you're woken up from your nap by your guards.
"My liege, Prince Alac and four of his men are awaiting near the edge of the camp. Prince Alac wishes to negotiate with you personally as a sign of trust."
A) "Capture him and toss that fool into a cage!"
B) "Repeat my terms to him, as he's clearly deaf!"
C) "Fine, just let's me put on my negotiation trousers."
Post by: omada on August 05, 2017, 05:08:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2017, 05:09:53 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on August 05, 2017, 05:33:01 pm
Post by: Qassius on August 05, 2017, 05:52:24 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2017, 06:09:19 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 05, 2017, 06:33:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2017, 02:23:47 am
"Greetings, King Yoe, I'm here to discuss the terms of our surrender to your forces."
"Oh?"
"You can't expect me to surrender my loyalty to my own father." He says with a frown. "What is there for me to gain when you will gain, perhaps, even entirety of Lametania?"
A) "You can have this necklace and certain modicum of wealth if you and your men join my forces."
B) "I will put you on a throne as my vassal if you help me conquer your land."
C) "I guarantee your safety, and I might even help you retire to a small but cozy manor somewhere north."
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2017, 02:46:56 am
Post by: crazyabe on August 06, 2017, 03:11:21 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 06, 2017, 04:31:22 am
It's not a bad deal, all things considered.
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2017, 05:28:40 am
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He thinks for a while, and then grins.
"Fine. As the third of Salus' sons, I was always pushed into the margin by my father and my brothers, but not anymore! I will show them that bullying me all my life was a gross mistake on their part!" He shakes hands with you to seal the deal.
Next morning, three-quarters of Alac's army marches out of the Asortum Castle; your officers quietly praise that you struck a deal with Alac, as it turns out that he had about two thousand men at the castle. Even after the castle would be ruined by Blackheart barrages, fighting or just displacing such large garrison would be hella difficult to accomplish. The remaining five hundred men stay at Asortum to repair the damage and man its walls.
Prince Alac also sends the envoy to the border keep ways in the north, as it is garrisoned by his followers as well.
Prince Alac himself provides you valuable information on the Republican mercenaries, who have been recently bought by Salus to provide defense of the capital. Also, Queen Karkhuta has been invited to conquer Lametania by Prince Gothem, a disowned son of Salus; as far as he heard, Karkhuta had him killed for battlefield incompetence recently.
He also explains to you the deal between his father and the bow champion, Regius, who have slain The Pillar of Quiet Disturbance; apparently, Salus swore to reward Regius with anything in Salus household the hero might want if the monster is killed. After the deed was done, Regius, either smart or arrogant (or both) decided to take Princess Ostia as his prize. Salus spent several hours discussing the demand with his sons, and ultimately decided to go against their advice and give Regius the hand of Ostia in marriage, and you know how that went.
Next morning, your officers convene with you, with Prince Alac sitting near you. Lots of ideas are exchanged; your officers want to besiege the capital now that the road is open to it, but Prince Alac wants to get rid of Felonsine invaders first, as he isn't that keen to become a King only to get his country chomped to bits by Felonsines.
You finally decide that the priority goes to...
A) Forced eviction of Queen Karkhuta and her army outta Lametanian soil.
B) Swift conquest of Lametanian Capital to remove Salus from the equation.
Post by: Imic on August 06, 2017, 06:15:10 am
Haspen, I've noticed that our rulers following Luathbas have been lasting a lot longer than they used to. Is this deliberate?
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2017, 06:35:41 am
But sure I will toss more diseases and assassinations at Yoe dynasty in the future, don't worry :)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 06, 2017, 09:25:02 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 06, 2017, 10:25:27 am
(must remember to rebuild army after this)
Post by: Iituem on August 06, 2017, 10:28:15 am
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2017, 10:34:29 am
B. I guess. Maybe if we play this really well we can cut Lametania up. Less for us in the short term, but honestly there's no way we can hold onto it if we win this war.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 06, 2017, 10:53:51 am
Gonna support B, it is after all only two or so days away and asserting Alac's rule before driving out the Felonsines seems like a better move overall than the other way around, especially given that our now even greater numerical superiority and steamrolling of Asortum will make us incredibly threatening and powerful to them in an immediate sense.
Post by: crazyabe on August 06, 2017, 01:53:28 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 06, 2017, 03:09:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2017, 03:26:49 pm
Hum... I'm not sure I'm happy here, making him our vassal. Once Lametania recovers from this war we'll have a single vassal much more powerful then us with a good claim on freedom. That's a really unstable position to be in.
B. I guess. Maybe if we play this really well we can cut Lametania up. Less for us in the short term, but honestly there's no way we can hold onto it if we win this war.
Yeah. We never said we would give him all of Lamentania. Hopefully we can take a big enough bit to be stronger than him directly.
Post by: Prophet on August 06, 2017, 03:32:38 pm
Post by: omada on August 06, 2017, 03:47:55 pm
One of war, one unknown.
his hero have the enchanted bow. We might use them against the felonsines.
If we fight the felonsine right now we will declare war upon them, we should first send a letter to the
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2017, 11:38:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 08, 2017, 11:55:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 09, 2017, 01:30:39 am
Some more votes cuz this is important vote ;vImportance you say! :O
. . .
This is somewhat Feudalistic right? So claimant first before others, especially due to the time in travel.
B
Post by: ZBridges on August 09, 2017, 02:05:20 am
Post by: Detoxicated on August 09, 2017, 07:52:07 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 09, 2017, 07:57:34 am
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|Haspen asked for more votes
I think the forum has spoken.
Post by: Haspen on August 09, 2017, 09:25:26 am
Prince Alac immediately wants to head north with his soldiers and stop Queen Karkhuta from falling upon your rear...
A) Let him.
B) Try to convince him to go with you to the capital.
C) Let him, and give him some extra soldiers or maybe a pair of Blackhearts for support.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 09, 2017, 10:05:54 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 09, 2017, 10:07:58 am
Post by: omada on August 09, 2017, 11:59:21 am
This way we are letting the Lametanias to have a chance
Post by: Criptfeind on August 09, 2017, 12:01:04 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2017, 01:17:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 09, 2017, 01:18:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 09, 2017, 01:21:19 pm
I guess it makes sense that he didn't really want to have to fight his family. This wouldn't be us declaring war on her because those are lamentian troops. Worse case scenario, he gets himself killed and we have a slightly less legitimate clam to conquering his kingdom.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 09, 2017, 01:25:00 pm
Changing my vote to A. We can't hold onto a united Lametania, it's too big and will be too powerful once it recovers. We need to fracture it and split it up until we can incorporate it. Having the prince on side isn't really that cool, he'll unite it against us if we let him. Hopefully he can go die, leaving us in a better position to split it up between us and Karkhuta.
Post by: omada on August 09, 2017, 04:54:09 pm
Changing toA If he is going to die, whatever, if he is going to betray us he would betray us when we were with our guard down or weak.
Just tell him to keep his banners as lametaniam till we win
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2017, 08:14:31 pm
Post by: Iituem on August 10, 2017, 12:42:38 am
Actually you know what. Yeah. Fuck it.
Changing my vote to A. We can't hold onto a united Lametania, it's too big and will be too powerful once it recovers. We need to fracture it and split it up until we can incorporate it. Having the prince on side isn't really that cool, he'll unite it against us if we let him. Hopefully he can go die, leaving us in a better position to split it up between us and Karkhuta.
A indeed. Weaker vassals are good until they're well and truly 'integrated'.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 10, 2017, 12:47:14 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 10, 2017, 06:13:04 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 10, 2017, 06:33:16 am
A
Post by: Haspen on August 15, 2017, 06:29:04 am
You continue on southwest, reaching the walls of Lametanian capital in about a week. No one but some lone archers hiding in bushes and small groups of horsemen harass your approach, but they're easily punished. Your scouts in meantime gathered info about the capital's defenses:
Lametanians have hastily constructed many siege engines on the tower walls and lots of militia was accumulated from southlands. Some say that about three thousand armed men are stationed at the capital, with another group, mixed with Damdamian mercenaries, camping south of the city, their numbers about eight hundred.
During a council with your officers, it is agreed to...
A) Send a messenger to King Salus, asking for surrender.
B) Begin a sitting siege of the mighty castle.
C) Start the battle with some destructive Blackheart volleys.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 15, 2017, 06:40:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 15, 2017, 07:49:12 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 15, 2017, 08:20:46 am
[...]dem thick walls though.
Lametanians have hastily constructed many siege engines on the tower walls and lots of militia was accumulated from southlands. Some say that about three thousand armed men are stationed at the capital, with another group, mixed with Damdamian mercenaries, camping south of the city, their numbers about eight hundred.[...]
Is waiting beneficial for us? Because militia aren't useful if their morale is borken.
A because it's nice of us to do so rather than just charge in. We haven't had that MUCH of a grievance to just instantly battle right?
Post by: Kashyyk on August 15, 2017, 08:48:28 am
Post by: Haspen on August 15, 2017, 12:24:21 pm
The messenger returns next morning as King Salus have decided against surrender and even negotiations. Just as you prepare to hold a council with your officer, one of your guards steps up to you.
"Sire, a stranger claiming to be a Lametanian courtier wants to talk with your privately."
A) "A very unsubtle attempt at assassination by paranoid Salus. Get rid of the agent!"
B) "Sure, I will talk to him. Bring him to me at once."
Post by: Kashyyk on August 15, 2017, 12:26:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 15, 2017, 12:27:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 15, 2017, 12:27:54 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on August 15, 2017, 12:32:27 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 15, 2017, 12:35:45 pm
B
If he tries to assassinate us, we burn the city to the ground.
Post by: Haspen on August 15, 2017, 12:36:33 pm
You two then hide in your tent, where the courtier takes his hood off and bows his head in respect.
"Greetings, King Yoe. I am Malcos, aide to Prince Otalan. The Prince tried to persuade King Salus to surrender, but King Salus has been recently growing more and more unreasonable. Therefore Prince Otalan offers to make a deal; he will arrange for his father's disappearance and bends his knee to you, but you will make him King of Lametania in return."
Seems the details of Alac's deal with you haven't reached the court yet.
A) Tell the messenger about Alac's deal with you.
B) Simply refuse the deal.
C) Agree to the deal to make Otalan the new King of Lametania.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 15, 2017, 12:40:55 pm
A
Post by: Kashyyk on August 15, 2017, 12:59:36 pm
Worst case, Prince Malcos will be vilified in the public eye for murdering his father. And provide even more support for Alac. There are so many opportunities to mess with these guys!
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 15, 2017, 01:09:30 pm
C
Wait no, we started this war on the moral high ground, if we betray our deal with Alec and it gets out no one will trust us... grrr... A
Post by: Kashyyk on August 15, 2017, 01:15:03 pm
Edit: wait, this guy is the Prince's aide. Actual prince is Otalan. Doesn't change all that much except even more deniability.
Post by: Puppyguard on August 15, 2017, 02:01:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 15, 2017, 02:50:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 15, 2017, 03:21:42 pm
"I see. This makes things complicated. Alas, I think I cannot say more without briefing Prince Otalan about this, so I shall take my leave. Goodbye for a while, King Yoe."
And then he leaves.
You host your council of officers. You decide to...
A) Besiege the city with your troops.
B) Wait till Otalan's messenger comes back.
C) Bombard away!
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 15, 2017, 03:24:07 pm
Probably A in any case. Let's see how things develop.
Post by: crazyabe on August 15, 2017, 03:24:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 15, 2017, 03:25:21 pm
I'm gonna go with B. We can start the siege tomorrow if he doesn't come back.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 16, 2017, 02:43:13 am
Post by: ZBridges on August 16, 2017, 02:45:45 am
Post by: Puppyguard on August 16, 2017, 11:48:08 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 16, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
It would look weird to just sit outside their city after Salus refused to talk, but if we start besieging/shooting the place, it'll be harder for the aide to get back out and talk to us...
I'm gonna go with B. We can start the siege tomorrow if he doesn't come back.
I think we have seen envoys come out and talk to us while we were besieging cities in Spamkingdom games before. A
Post by: Haspen on August 16, 2017, 02:06:38 pm
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Evening next day however, you fall ill with fever, chills and weakness of joints. The healers determine the sickness to be a soldier's fever, a mild-to-severe condition. They begin usual treatment of mintwater, overheating and fruit.
Next morning, you feel slightly better. Soon after breakfast, the guards enter your tent with news:
"Sire, two messengers wish to speak with you. One is from your palace, sent by Queen Auga. The other is from the Lametanian capital, sent by someone called Malcos.
A) Let's catch up with happenings at home first!
B) Time to conduct sneaky business with Malcos!
Post by: crazyabe on August 16, 2017, 02:07:51 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on August 16, 2017, 02:08:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 16, 2017, 02:13:34 pm
Post by: omada on August 16, 2017, 02:24:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 16, 2017, 02:34:10 pm
The messenger has bad news however; your son and heir Estant has fallen down the stairs and broke his left leg at knee about a week ago. The healers are taking care of him right now.
There were harsh storms this Midsummer in most of the north of the region, but the worst has seemingly passed over Methiant. Some courtiers speak that they saw the Scepter of Weather emite green shine during the heaviest rains.
Your wife finishes the letter with mention of Alldivine monks; they are offering to provide you with freshly trained warriorpriests for usual price. Auga would've bought their services and sent them your way if only not the recent shortages at Treasury, so she has sent the messenger to ask you what to do.
A) Couldn't be a better time! We will worry about replenishing money later, let's get some soldiers!
B) Nah, we ain't waging a war only to return and see the Kingdom crash from lack of monies!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 16, 2017, 02:42:49 pm
I'ma go with A
Post by: omada on August 16, 2017, 02:53:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 16, 2017, 04:20:01 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 16, 2017, 04:22:11 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 16, 2017, 05:21:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 16, 2017, 05:34:27 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 16, 2017, 05:37:07 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on August 16, 2017, 08:01:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 16, 2017, 10:44:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 16, 2017, 11:41:18 pm
Two days later, you get terrible news - Prince Alac has been defeated! Queen Karkhuta, with help of some disloyal Lametanians in his army, struck Alac's forces in the side and decimated them, taking their commander captive. She is now marching, with almost three thousand troops, toward Lametanian capital.
An emergency council is convened with your officers. You decide to...
A) Left the siege and march to fight Queen Karkhuta.
B) Continue the siege, but send Queen Karkhuta a messenger.
C) Bombard away in hopes of capturing the city before she arrives.
D) Retreat from the capital northeast towards Methiant and wait.
Post by: crazyabe on August 16, 2017, 11:51:34 pm
Explaining that he was a fool who wanted more than what "We" were offering him might not hurt too bad?
Post by: Weirdsound on August 17, 2017, 12:48:26 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 17, 2017, 01:46:06 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on August 17, 2017, 02:21:29 am
Post by: Iituem on August 17, 2017, 05:16:44 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 17, 2017, 06:19:49 am
Delay her with talks. Then get Malcos' aid on the side!
Post by: Haspen on August 17, 2017, 07:25:49 am
Wait, did Malcos' messenger leave without talking to us? The 'Issue' preventing us from accepting his aid has been dealt with. Alac made a fool of himself, and we can presume him dead, so I see no issue taking up Malcos on his offer now.
...
'<.
*TIME TRAVEL NOISES*
Now it's time to talk to the Malcos' messenger.
"Greetings, King Yoe. Malcos has told me that Prince Otalan needs more time to prepare a successful takeover. He wishes to see that your forces do not attack the city for at least a week. Even before that, we will attempt to contact you again."
A) "Fine, there will be no attacks or bombardments for a week's time."
B) "I can't promise such things! Shoo away to your master."
Post by: Tiruin on August 17, 2017, 07:28:13 am
A.
They're gonna deal with the Queen anyway :P
I think.
Hopefully not us.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 17, 2017, 07:33:00 am
Post by: Iituem on August 17, 2017, 07:41:49 am
Post by: Haspen on August 17, 2017, 07:49:18 am
....An emergency council is convened with your officers. You decide to...
A) Left the siege and march to fight Queen Karkhuta.
B) Continue the siege, but send Queen Karkhuta a messenger.
C) Bombard away in hopes of capturing the city before she arrives.
D) Retreat from the capital northeast towards Methiant and wait.
//Previously cast votes are invalid due to new circumstances.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 17, 2017, 07:52:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 17, 2017, 07:54:34 am
BTime is now in Order.
B
Post by: Kashyyk on August 17, 2017, 08:02:45 am
Post by: omada on August 17, 2017, 08:59:41 am
Post by: Haspen on August 17, 2017, 09:08:50 am
Two days pass, however, and scouts report that Queen Karkhuta and her army is going to be here within hours. The messenger did not return, nor did Karkhuta send someone of her own to parley with you. Your officers are growing worried and a new council has been called to discuss several things...
About the negotiations...
A) Let's send another messenger.
B) Let's ride out in private with bodyguards to meet with Queen Karkhuta.
C) Let's forget it.
About the siege...
A) Lift the siege and march to meet with/against Queen Karkhuta.
B) Continue the siege and hope for best.
C) Rearrange the siegeplan so that most of your Army is in the north.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 17, 2017, 09:48:50 am
I'll vote CC. I wish we still had a 'bugger off back towards Methiant' option so we could meet up with the incoming warpriests and then come back to interrupt her siege.
Post by: Iituem on August 17, 2017, 09:51:38 am
Post by: omada on August 17, 2017, 09:52:21 am
Wait, isn't her coming from the north? we want to shield the capital from her?
Post by: crazyabe on August 17, 2017, 02:45:14 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 17, 2017, 03:12:48 pm
Face her with all we got, if we win we can decide if we have enough to keep the siege up, if we lose we can retreat and decide something else. Let's not half ass this battle.
Post by: Puppyguard on August 17, 2017, 03:13:00 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 17, 2017, 04:11:25 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 17, 2017, 09:33:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 17, 2017, 10:09:19 pm
is the queen coming from the north or??
Post by: Tiruin on August 18, 2017, 08:45:18 pm
So I'm picking C for the second choice. And A for the first (because why not send ANOTHER messenger anyway, but tell him secretly we'll move our siege camp, and confidence/loyalty things?)
Why aren't people picking A for the first? It's not like all our messengers betray us on death or otherwise ._.
A; C
Post by: Haspen on August 20, 2017, 04:33:45 am
Within two hours, with the high towers of Lametanian capital still visible on the southern horizon, your scouts report that Queen Karkhuta's army is just over the hill. They count up at least three thousand foot, with several Blackhearts at the back and ten smaller tube-looking machines in front of them. Queen Karkhuta herself is on the left flank, accompanied by five hundred cavalry at least (the only mounted unit in this troop).
Your officers tally up your men at at least two thousand five hundred. Alac's men from the border keep could potentially arrive to join you, but it won't be much. Your officers also don't have an ounce of faith that Alldivine warriorpriests could arrive to help in this battle.
Your decide to...
A) Chaaaaaaaaaarrrgggee!!!
B) Deploy in crescent formation, preparing hail of arrows and Blackheart volleys for incoming soldiers.
C) Deploy in a block formation.
D) Retreat eastwards in hopes for better fighting conditions.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 20, 2017, 04:35:55 am
This is going to hurt.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 20, 2017, 04:50:43 am
I'd say B. Do or die, I suppose.
Post by: Haspen on August 20, 2017, 05:06:48 am
Where'd we manage to misplace the rest of our troops? We've had like one battle and that didn't even have many casualties.
Cuz I miscounted :v
Value fixed to more believable numbers.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 20, 2017, 05:29:09 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 20, 2017, 09:16:59 am
You decide to lift the siege and march against Queen Karkhuta, as you firmly believe she is needy for a confrontation - so she will get one!Err, wait. Wasn't "C" meaning "move away from between the Queen and the city?
or did A win? Because it seems A won. :O
...Why don't we retreat? Nothing can catch us and the cavalry are hindered by our hilly terrain.
D
Post by: helmacon on August 20, 2017, 09:25:00 am
Gives our all divines and alecs troops more time to catch up too.
Post by: Iituem on August 20, 2017, 09:37:52 am
Post by: Imic on August 22, 2017, 03:26:44 am
Post by: omada on August 22, 2017, 06:17:23 pm
You decide to lift the siege and march against Queen Karkhuta, as you firmly believe she is needy for a confrontation - so she will get one!Err, wait. Wasn't "C" meaning "move away from between the Queen and the city?
"C" meant to put us between the queen and the city, so we could gain time to our plot
D looks like we will loose the battle to the felonsien, they probably will replace us in the siege. I don't think they might follow us, and will be us the ones to siege should we return.
B sounds like a moderate battle, but with heavy losses (depends on the rng) and a declaration of war from the felonsien.
Hmmm, if D can we send a letter to donuth Kingdom to rally his troops? Negating to deal with us, kidnapping our envoys and marching in our direction? WAR. Plus part of their troops are now in the south
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2017, 02:41:27 am
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But your opening volley of arrows and Blackhearts smack the advancing horde! It quickly loosens up as to not get murderized by concentrated fire.
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Suddenly small white projectiles strike the earth in front of your troops! These projectiles explode, sending chunks of rock in your soldiers' faces, killing many. But the Felonsine accuracy is off, fortunately.
Soon, the siege machines on both sides go quiet as their crews begin to clean and prepare them for another volley.
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The battle is joined and the enemy pushes hard against your flank! Many of your soldiers die as the Felonsines continue onwards! You decide to...
A) CHAAARRRRGGEEEE!!!
B) Order your troops to move and concentrate on the endangered flank!
C) Order the Blackhearts to fire away at the flank!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 27, 2017, 03:19:47 am
C won't work because they're still being cleaned, and even if they did we'd take out just as many of our own men.
B it is!
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2017, 04:55:49 am
A is suicidal.They're most of their troops on our left flank--if we issue a retreat order, that'll probably help our men (although the break of formation would just get many killed too >_>)
C won't work because they're still being cleaned, and even if they did we'd take out just as many of our own men.
B it is!
B for BATTLE!
Post by: ZBridges on August 27, 2017, 09:55:04 am
Post by: omada on August 27, 2017, 10:43:45 am
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2017, 10:58:02 am
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It's quite working, as you can tell, but the Felonsines are pushing on it-
Some cavalrymen have rode through! A cavalier with a flail and black-and-yellow striped mail rushes at you!
A) TIS A CHALLENGE! FORWAAAAARD!!!
B) Better flee and let my bodyguards deal with this madman!!
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 27, 2017, 11:24:10 am
We're a lover, not a fighter.
Also we've never taken this option before, so that ought to be interesting.
Post by: crazyabe on August 27, 2017, 11:35:20 am
Post by: omada on August 27, 2017, 12:09:36 pm
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 27, 2017, 12:42:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 27, 2017, 12:46:45 pm
A, the king fleeing is a... bad thing.
It's okay, we've brought our brown pants.
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2017, 01:26:15 pm
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You get away and your forces aren't that put off by your cowardly approach to challenges. At least, this time.
Then you hear thunders coming from Felonsine side! How did they clean their weapons so fast?
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The white projectiles are at it again, crashing on the ground in the centre of your deployment. Men and horses fall alike to the rocky shrapnel.
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On your flank however, the situation has been brought to standstill. Your men are fighting fiercely and are even pushing the Felonsines back!
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Some minutes later, you main body of the Felonsine flank that was pushing against you is routed! The westerners flee in droves!
A) After them! Cut them all down!
B) Time to regroup, blow the horn of retreat!
C) Let's divert our forces to the centre of Felonsine army now!
Post by: omada on August 27, 2017, 01:31:29 pm
With luck we can seize their weapons and grab some nobles for ransom.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 27, 2017, 02:08:19 pm
Shank the fucks and steal their shit
Post by: helmacon on August 27, 2017, 02:56:28 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 27, 2017, 03:01:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2017, 03:38:46 pm
You close distance to where Queen Karkhuta is, when you notice that the Felonsine Blackhearts are pointed at the direction of your troops, which are in the open field!
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The large black projectiles cause the earth to shoot upwards as your soldiers, in fits of panic, scatter about the field! Some have the unfortunate distinction of being smashed to gory bits by the falling orbs.
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A Blackheart rock smashes by your horse, causing it to stand up and collapse to the side with you!!
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*CRUNCH*
1092 AD
You are Estant, son of Yoe.
Seven years ago, during the chaotic Battle of Lamtain fields, near capital of Lametania, your father was crushed by his own horse, causing the Kingdom of Methiant to fall into hands of your mother. But that wasn't the end of it, no.
During the battle, Queen Karkhuta of Felonsein was wounded, and, despite her healers' best efforts, a infection took hold of her body and caused her premature death. News of this reached the Felonsine courtiers, which, apparently being a bunch of scheming snakes, went for each other's throats. The western part of Felonsein soon fell to the Kois, while the northeast was torn off by the scheming old Donuth. The southeastern part is holding out, its future somewhat secured after Princess Goana married Prince Otalan of Lametania.
Lametania didn't fare much better, though. Otalan skillfully engineered deposing of his father, but southern nobles didn't like it and Lametania was too divided into three parts. While King Otalan was more successful than Felonsines against rebels, he still has to reconquer lands at the border with the Republic and the Empire; two dukes, one having support of Ankurvat Dwarves and the other backed by Republican mercenaries, maintain a sucessful hold on their domains.
Now however, time to concentrate on Methiant.
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During regency of your mother, Queen Auga, the Kingdom has prospered somewhat. The population grew, but most of prosperity was in material wealth and coffers of the Treasury; the gemstone mines and silver mines (which keep on truckin') sponsored many refurbishments of Alldivine Cloisters and even a more long-term project; a network of Alldivine chapels and libraries. Many a commoner has been trained in ways of war or literacy. Commerce and arts began to flourish under Auga's rule, and many persons hope this will continue under your rule too.
In terms of foreign politics, Queen Auga used the vast monetary wealth to secure peace with Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl; in exchange for funds against Dahnians and Helliste, Dogethe publicly swore friendship to Methiant peoples as long as she breathes. Your mother, against wishes of some more war-oriented courtiers, decided to not pursue the war with Lametania and only in 1089 there was a brief skirmish to reassure control over the lands that were Methiantese before your father sold them away.
Fireblood research has hit a snag after the mineral mines dried out somewhat. With Felonsines not trusting Methiant court after 1085 AD, it is hard to obtain or develop new fireblood machines. Currently the Palace is housing twenty Blackhearts, all with trained crew but lacking in both ammunition and the incendiary Fireblood to propel the ammo.
And you?
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Many people notice that you don't happen to possess any particular skill like your father did, but good fortunes surround you, oh lucky prince!
After some consideration, and with your father being overall popular figure, you decide to take on reigning name of Yoe II. Long live King Yoe II!
Oh, here comes the Advisor with those Scrolls of Kingdom Status of his.
Happiness: 5
Population: 5
Economy: 6
Army: 5
Sweet-looking numbers, those!
1092 AD, Spring
A delegation comes from the Kingdom of Cydwyl.
"King Yoe II, may your rule be prosperous and wise just like your mother's was. We come with words from Queen Dogethe; her niece, Gedavina, has just turned twenty yet no suitor wills her hand, despite her beauty topped with waterfall of goldilocks, shrewd tongue and top-notch skill for singing and knitting. Queen Dogethe therefore offers to bring our two lands even closer together - by the way of Gedavina becoming your wife and the next Queen of Methiant."
"Do you agree, good King?"
A) "Alright, I shall marry this Gedavina you speak of!"
B) "Sure, but only if Queen Dogethe sponsors the grandione wedding out of her pocket."
C) "No, I'm not going to marry Gedavina just because Queen Dogethe wills it!"
Post by: Criptfeind on August 27, 2017, 03:44:40 pm
Too bad we can't marry Dogthe.
Also that was like, best end of the war possible. Our enemies falling into triple rebellion and we get our lands back? We should have had our horse curb stomp us sooner.
Post by: Puppyguard on August 27, 2017, 04:57:28 pm
We do have six economy, asking the queen to pay for the marriage will only anger her.
Post by: ZBridges on August 27, 2017, 05:07:53 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 27, 2017, 05:09:25 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 27, 2017, 05:16:24 pm
Post by: omada on August 27, 2017, 06:15:31 pm
and hmmm shrewd tongue? Hope she enjoys sitting next to us when we get into negotiations.
Post by: crazyabe on August 27, 2017, 07:08:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2017, 11:30:58 pm
1092 AD, Summer
A terrible calamity befalls the capital! The Library of Alldivines, built by your mother just five years ago, was burnt down to cinders after a mild thunderstorm. Thousands of scrolls and illuminated tomes were lost.
The Alldivine monks promptly show up at your court, asking for donations to help rebuild their library.
A) Rebuild? Nay, I will sponsor construction of a grand new one!
B) Nah, they can have minor donation to their altars instead.
C) Shoo away, money leeches! I don't want your Library!
D) Well sure, we can part with a third of our Treasury to help the monks.
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2017, 11:37:25 pm
Knowledge places are always best. :I Build more.
Also wow on that 2, 1, 1. That's horrible ._.
Post by: Puppyguard on August 27, 2017, 11:47:00 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 28, 2017, 12:11:44 am
A+
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 28, 2017, 02:52:04 am
A. Let us build you a better one.
Post by: Imic on August 28, 2017, 03:34:00 am
This time make it out of stone.
Post by: Detoxicated on August 28, 2017, 08:53:57 am
oh the humanity
Post by: helmacon on August 28, 2017, 09:21:56 am
D
Post by: Lucus Casius on August 28, 2017, 09:28:15 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 28, 2017, 09:29:16 am
Post by: ZBridges on August 29, 2017, 01:34:22 am
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2017, 09:04:58 am
*KZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTT*
You are a beautiful girl who just turned twenty, and you're brushing your hair to keep it neat and straight. You live in the harsh north and thanks to the connections to your aunt the Queen, you were just selected as the bride of a king of a country in the south and thus its next Queen.
You're Gedavina of Cydwyl.
Not many people know that the marriage was approved, so once you're done with your hair, you decide to share the joyous news with...
A) Your bedchamber maid, best friend and confidante, Draqeesha.
B) Lady Eshtheth, the kitchen lady who told you many things about marriage life.
C) Your cousin and to-be Queen of Helliste, Aria, who is currently visiting your familyr's castle.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 29, 2017, 09:29:33 am
Guess what, we're gonna be queen as well!
Post by: crazyabe on August 29, 2017, 09:34:08 am
Post by: Puppyguard on August 29, 2017, 11:09:06 am
Post by: Imic on August 29, 2017, 11:54:31 am
Post by: omada on August 29, 2017, 12:36:05 pm
C Make contacts to show our husband that he is indeed lucky and we are the best wife. Helliste maybe has something to offer
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2017, 12:53:27 pm
You spend several minutes discussing it with her, and somehow - definitely not induced by mutual bouts of jealousy - you two descend into a contest.
"My future husband already has conquered the Alba pirates and made them his vassals! And what your kid did recently? Get his first hairs of his beard?" This shall not stand! You decide to...
A) Slap her.
B) Bluff your way with a tale about how your strong and supermanly future husband just obliterated an orcish army and singlehandedly defeated a dragon.
C) Distract her with mention of sweet pastries being cooked in the palatial kitchens.
D) Attempt to change the topic.
Post by: birdy51 on August 29, 2017, 01:06:28 pm
How DARE SHE!
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2017, 01:07:27 pm
HOW DARE SHE!
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 29, 2017, 01:12:34 pm
Why fight when you can lie! And if she calls us on it we can call her out on her clear lie!
Post by: Imic on August 29, 2017, 02:11:47 pm
We're not going to... I... Why... We...
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 29, 2017, 02:14:42 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2017, 02:57:14 pm
Post by: omada on August 29, 2017, 03:18:29 pm
D A is a bad move
Post by: Criptfeind on August 29, 2017, 04:19:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2017, 11:29:34 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on August 29, 2017, 11:39:08 pm
3 votes each on B and D, dang ;vtie
B
broken
(for five minutes anyway.)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2017, 01:55:15 am
Post by: melkor on August 30, 2017, 02:22:02 am
D
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2017, 02:41:04 am
Post by: ctsun on August 30, 2017, 03:10:23 am
Pastries are good.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 30, 2017, 09:47:15 am
BLAD FOR THE BLAD GOD
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 30, 2017, 09:49:27 am
Post by: Baffler on August 30, 2017, 01:14:20 pm
Post by: Tyrant Leviathan on August 30, 2017, 10:28:12 pm
Woot?
Post by: Haspen on August 31, 2017, 02:50:55 pm
bbbbb
c
ddddd
Bluuuuuuuuuh.
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 31, 2017, 02:51:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 31, 2017, 02:56:32 pm
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The topic flawlessly changes to that of politics, although heavily mixed with rumors and petty news. One topic does go heavy:
"Will there be war between Helliste, Cydwyl and Methiant one day?" Aria asks you bluntly.
A) "If my husband declares so."
B) "You bet. I will help foster it!"
C) "Never, over my dead body."
Post by: Kashyyk on August 31, 2017, 03:37:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on August 31, 2017, 03:41:35 pm
Why, we're practically allies already. We can just focus on the other peasants and conquer their puny lands!
Post by: Puppyguard on August 31, 2017, 03:42:25 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 31, 2017, 04:15:40 pm
Post by: omada on August 31, 2017, 04:38:37 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 31, 2017, 10:49:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2017, 09:37:25 am
*KZZZZZZTT!*
1092 AD, Autumn
Your marriage to the niece of Queen Dogethe brings hundreds of nobles and wealthy merchants to the reception, and many craftsmen and officials are here to feast on the good day for the royal family.
By the evening you learn that your wife is absolutely terrible! She is pretty, yes, and she has good hands (oh dang, those hands!), but she keeps talking. And talking. And talking. Is talking this much a custom in the north? Considering she kept talking even when you two were making love, it must be that.
Several days later, guards raise an alarm! The Rainbow Scepter of Weather has been stolen along with some gemstones and ornate jewellery from the Treasury! Whoever did this, must've been a master at thievery.
After brief counsel with your courtiers, you decide to...
A) Send your agents and armies to search the countryside!
B) Hire lvl 30+ adventurers to track and capture the thief!
C) Do both of the above.
Post by: birdy51 on September 03, 2017, 09:40:12 am
We cannot afford to lose our treasures!
Post by: helmacon on September 03, 2017, 11:21:56 am
we are scraping the bottom of the barrel with our funds this year.
Post by: crazyabe on September 03, 2017, 12:01:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 03, 2017, 12:41:45 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 03, 2017, 01:01:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2017, 01:16:44 pm
1092 AD, Mid-Autumn
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The investigation and the search are underway, although there has been little results for now.
Week later you receive report from investigators; the old castle has numerous nooks and unused corridors. The investigators advise refurbishment of the palace and construction of dedicated vault for the most precious of jewels.
1092 AD, Late Autumn
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Some of your courtiers are giving up hope now. It's been two months and the thief could be on the other side of Ceodwell by now.
1092 AD, Winter
Simple gemstones and freshly mined silver arrive at the Treasury, filling it up with riches.
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Entirety of Methiant has been searched and every stone was upturned, but there is no sight of the thief or the Scepter. The Army officers take their troops off the search, but the adventurers are willing to go abroad if you pay them extra.
A) Of course! The Scepter MUST be found!
B) This is pointless. It's clear that the Scepter is lost.
Post by: crazyabe on September 03, 2017, 01:27:11 pm
Post by: johiah on September 03, 2017, 03:07:32 pm
Spend gold now, to save moar gold later.
Post by: helmacon on September 03, 2017, 03:36:56 pm
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2017, 03:54:06 pm
We'll need to get money, but it😽'Ll be nithing compared to how much we'll lose over this.
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2017, 04:12:05 pm
A
We'll need to get money, but it😽'Ll be nithing compared to how much we'll lose over this.
Ey heck what is this kitty face emote in your post v:
EDIT: HOLY HECK WHAT IS THIS IT SHOWS IN MY POSTING WINDOW TOO WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT!?!?
Post by: Iituem on September 03, 2017, 05:35:00 pm
A
We'll need to get money, but it😽'Ll be nithing compared to how much we'll lose over this.
Ey heck what is this kitty face emote in your post v:
EDIT: HOLY HECK WHAT IS THIS IT SHOWS IN MY POSTING WINDOW TOO WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT!?!?
Oh crap, how the hell is it even showing up here?! This is a text-only environment!
Post by: Culise on September 03, 2017, 06:05:24 pm
Oh, also, insanity is attempting the same thing in the hopes of a different outcome. As such, A. 😼
Post by: Kashyyk on September 04, 2017, 04:55:28 am
Post by: Imic on September 04, 2017, 05:54:17 am
It was a typo, actually.A
We'll need to get money, but it😽'Ll be nithing compared to how much we'll lose over this.
Ey heck what is this kitty face emote in your post v:
EDIT: HOLY HECK WHAT IS THIS IT SHOWS IN MY POSTING WINDOW TOO WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT!?!?
Oh crap, how the hell is it even showing up here?! This is a text-only environment!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 04, 2017, 05:59:24 am
Post by: ctsun on September 04, 2017, 06:02:05 am
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2017, 07:38:37 am
1092 AD, Midwinter
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VICTORY!! The adventurers, following a trail of rumors, clues and own intuition, found the thief! It was a traveling minstrel from Ceodwell who played along others during your wedding.
The Scepter has been safely deposited in the fortified vault inside the Treasury.
The thief was castrated, had his hands cut off and was then sent out naked into the wilds to die from exposure, wounds, wild animals, or combination of all these.
The adventurers have been praised by your courtiers and rewarded with agreed-upon extra cash.
1092 AD, End of the Year
Ahhh, it is the end of the year; and here comes the Advisor, carrying Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands!
Happiness: 5
Population: 5
Economy: 2
Army: 5
"The architects of the new library for Alldivine monks say that they should be done in five years, provided they won't need extra funds nor any calamity strikes the construction site."
The Advisor coughs.
"My liege, I have to point out that our extravagant spending has drained the Treasury somewhat. Shall we raise taxes for a year?"
A) "Naaah, it ain't that bad."
B) "Yes, of course!"
Post by: Imic on September 04, 2017, 07:41:03 am
Our people are happynenough.
Post by: birdy51 on September 04, 2017, 07:46:10 am
Glad we caught the bastard.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 04, 2017, 07:49:07 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 04, 2017, 07:56:30 am
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2017, 08:15:53 am
1093 AD, Summer
Elsewhere in the region, harsh storms and torrential rains ravage the farmlands. In Methiant, however, the bad weather is 'mild' at worst. Little damage is done to agricultural areas.
1093 AD, Autumn
Your wife gives birth to a child! It is a girl, and she names her 'Valhelma'.
1093 AD, Winter
Freshly mined gemstones and silver arrive in your palace - right along with emissaries from King Otalan of Lametania.
"Oh, greate King Yoe II! Our lands suffer from famine after summer storms ravaged the land. King Otalan therefore has no choice than to plead for foodstuffs and money so that the people of Lametania do not suffer. Do tell, can King Otalan count upon your mercy and generosity?"
A) "Nooooooope."
B) "Ehhhh, sure."
Post by: Imic on September 04, 2017, 08:21:00 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 04, 2017, 08:25:59 am
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2017, 08:31:33 am
Post by: omada on September 04, 2017, 08:44:34 am
He can have the grains, if he can buy A
Place your bets everybody highest bet get the food
Post by: Criptfeind on September 04, 2017, 10:00:05 am
A
Post by: Detoxicated on September 04, 2017, 10:20:52 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 04, 2017, 10:27:07 am
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2017, 10:43:18 am
1093 AD, End of the Year
The rather uneventful year has ended.
As you listen to your wife's hour-long summary of her meeting with other noble ladies of Methiant, the Advisor - thank Alldivines - appears to discuss a matter of utmost importance; this year's Scrolls of Kingdom Status update.
Happiness: 5
Population: 5
Economy: 5
Army: 5
You pat him on the shoulders. These numbers are so pleasing for your eyes!
1094 AD, Spring
An emissary arrives at your court from Ceodwell. A surprise visit; in recent decades Ceodwells keep themselves away from politics and events of the Luathbas region.
"Greetings, King Yoe! My master, King Ceodwell X, wishes to inquire whether you would like to exchange your silver for Gubta spices? As it stands, our own silver mines cannot sate the thirst of our eastern neighbours for quality silver. In return, we obtain from them spices both medicinal and culinary, with sweetest, spiciest, sourest and juiciest of seasonings procured from them to appease both citizenry and nobles alike. Pray tell, would you be interested in such an exchange?"
You begin with a mention that, according to dwarves, the silver mines might run out of ore in as little as ten years.
"Oh. Still, the offer stands, as my master really hopes to not disappoint his amicable friends, the Gubta." Your wife then leans to you and whispers:
"My dear I'm not sure if you listened but as I said few weeks ago I learned from Lady Takela that the Gubta and the Ceodwells have lately been on strained relationship so Lady Takela thinks that the Gubta might be pressing Ceodwells with unreasonable demands but on other hand her sister Lady Stela said that her cousin heard from a reputable merchant that Gubta themselves have a silver shortages going on and that's why they seek outer sources..."
You look at the envoy, who waits for your answer.
A) "Sure then, we will start sending silver east in exchange for spices."
B) "That is a fine offer, but I don't want spices. Does your master has anything else to offer for our silver?"
C) "Apologies, but I must respectfully decline."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 04, 2017, 10:47:51 am
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2017, 10:51:01 am
All in all, a good trade, yes? v;
Post by: Imic on September 04, 2017, 10:54:54 am
Post by: Detoxicated on September 04, 2017, 11:42:31 am
B or C
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 04, 2017, 11:44:37 am
Post by: helmacon on September 04, 2017, 12:44:53 pm
mostly because it boosts or happiness, and we want happy smart people as the foundation of our kingdom. We already have high literacy, and high militancy with the alldivines.
We need moar quality of life!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 04, 2017, 01:25:28 pm
Post by: omada on September 04, 2017, 01:41:14 pm
Or sell the spices and try to get more money than what silver is worth
Give a hug/kiss on the wife for giving useful info later
Oh wait, if we choose B we can go back to A later? If yes B because it will show a bit more about our neighborhood which we can exploit when family bonds become too weak. If not i will go back to A
Post by: Kashyyk on September 04, 2017, 01:44:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 04, 2017, 02:18:29 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 04, 2017, 07:10:52 pm
Post by: crazyabe on September 04, 2017, 07:31:01 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 04, 2017, 07:38:57 pm
Post by: Baffler on September 05, 2017, 01:20:30 am
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2017, 09:49:35 am
1094 AD, Autumn
The horror! The dead walk amongst the living!!
At first uncomfirmed reports from paranoid old ladies and unreliable stories told by drunks, the sightings zombies and skeletons mulling about graveyards have been proven true! The corpses rise and walk in the burial grounds of settlements in the west of Methiant.
While they do not prey on the living (yet), people are terrified and many are attempting to flee the land! After a council with your courtiers, you decide to...
A) Send the mighty Methiant army to purge the land from the horrid undead!
B) Call up for a Wizard because nothing like this has happened before!
C) Hire some lvl 40+ adventurers to find the cause and get rid of this rotting menace!
D) Do nothing, maybe the corpses will go back to their graves after some time?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 06, 2017, 09:51:42 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 06, 2017, 09:53:55 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 06, 2017, 09:56:26 am
B
Post by: birdy51 on September 06, 2017, 11:05:48 am
Dad was a wizard bro, maybe son can be too!
Post by: Baffler on September 06, 2017, 11:33:02 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 06, 2017, 11:53:08 am
If that don't work, then A
Post by: crazyabe on September 06, 2017, 01:33:51 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 06, 2017, 02:57:32 pm
Maybe we can utilize them...
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2017, 03:27:32 pm
1094 AD, Mid-Autumn
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Someone heard rumors about one in Lametania, but the time they investigated, the being in question disappeared.
There is rioting in the city of Annswych! Several thousand people there are panicking and looting stores as they believe you're not able to protect them! News of the riots only fuel fear in the kingdom, and many are heard voicing displeasure with your rule and few tax collectors were mugged, too.
There's also a report from astronomers; a new red star has been spotted, slowly but steadily moving across the nighty sky. It isn't visible before dusk, however. Within just two nights it moved through a whole constellation, astronomers say.
Your courtiers, rather uncomfortable about this whole affair, demand a council which you attend.
First, about the whole undead mess...
A) Keep looking for a Wizard.
B) Send the Army to destroy the undeads.
C) Hire some adventurers to solve the problem.
Secondly, the rioting in Annswych...
A) Send one of courtiers to appeal to people and ask for calm.
B) Reinforce the city guard with few hundred soldiers.
C) Send the Army to queel the riots.
Thirdly, about the red star on the sky...
A) Do nothing, stars appear and dissappear all the time, right?
B) We need a Wizard for this, too!!
C) Clearly the gods are angry; time to donate heavily on altars of Alldivines and the Pantheon!
//Remember, split votes aren't allowed.
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 06, 2017, 03:33:56 pm
C - adventurers are a cool idea because they can't literally fight thousands of undead by themselves, as such this is basically the infiltration option where they see if there is, say, some kind of diabolical force at play here and then stab it rightly if there is.
B - we've got soldiers to spare and this addresses the concern without looking extremely worried, although fuck those guys for rioting at like 4 Happiness. The undead aren't even doing anything!
B - the red star looks like some manner of catastrophic fuckery and this way we can look for a wizard while doing other shit in the meantime.
Post by: Puppyguard on September 06, 2017, 07:28:31 pm
Post by: Imic on September 07, 2017, 01:00:23 am
In order:+1
C - adventurers are a cool idea because they can't literally fight thousands of undead by themselves, as such this is basically the infiltration option where they see if there is, say, some kind of diabolical force at play here and then stab it rightly if there is.
B - we've got soldiers to spare and this addresses the concern without looking extremely worried, although fuck those guys for rioting at like 4 Happiness. The undead aren't even doing anything!
B - the red star looks like some manner of catastrophic fuckery and this way we can look for a wizard while doing other shit in the meantime.
Post by: ZBridges on September 07, 2017, 01:09:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2017, 02:47:47 am
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 05:45:24 am
1094 AD, Late Autumn
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The adventurers sent to deal with the source of Undead disappear; later a search party finds their corpses, shambling along other undead!
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Rioting in Annswych is quelled in peaceful manner; people, seeing the city garrison strengthened, calm down, and those who do not are put into shackles and sent to the prison.
Of course, the undead still roam the western countryside; soon there will be more rioting if nothing is done.
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By a pure coincidence, one of your couriers, who was about to return with no news of Wizards, have met one at an inn by Cydwyl border. The Wizard was instructed to come to your Palace immediately, he should be there next month.
However, your courtiers aren't eager to wait and call up another council about the undead. They angrily and loudly call for more measures to be taken right now!
A) "Fine, we will send our Army to destroy the undead hordes."
B) "Alright, I will call up another adventurer party to deal with this."
C) "Nah, calm down, friends, a Wizard is on the way already!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 07, 2017, 06:29:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 07, 2017, 07:43:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 07, 2017, 08:07:15 am
Post by: omada on September 07, 2017, 10:10:51 am
Hapiness 5
Economy 5
Army 5
I am counting that we will only loose 1 point in economy if the adventurers manage to solve the problem, dead men don't need money
we are already deploying the army to reinforce civility
When we deploy adventurers the people see that we are putting an effort? or they will only see when we deploy the army
hmmm, an army of undead looks very bad.
B Small numbers that can manage to trap an higher number
Post by: Elephant Parade on September 07, 2017, 10:44:30 am
...But if these are infectious zombies, sending the army in isn't a good idea. B.
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 11:07:29 am
1094 AD, Winter
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The roads and settlements are dangerous places due to undead menace and angry peasants, but the silver was safely sent to Ceodwell while gemstones arrived at your Treasury.
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The adventurers did it! The source of the undead menace was ancient tomb, its ghastly inhabitant stirred from the cursed slumber by some quarryworkers. The adventurers battled into the heart of the elaborate tomb and destroyed Evaldych the Ghast, whose powers caused bodies to rise from their graves and accost the living. Once the skeletal remains were purified and Evaldych's spirit finally sent to the afterlife, reports of the undead collapsing into dust came from across all of western Methiant! Many say that this thorough work will ensure that no more undead hordes spawn in the land.
The adventurers were paid handsomely for their task and they left to continues their adventures.
Few days later, a robed man with pointy hat arrives at your gates and the guards let him in at once.
"Greetings, King Yoe. I have heard that you require my services, and here I am." You tell him about the undead, and the red star, and how the adventurers dealt with the former.
"The red star is a phenomena of warning, that such a dire disaster has sprung in your kingdom. Thus, as the evil was dealt with by brave adventurers, as I've heard, the star will also finish its trai land disappear into the darkness of the cosmos once again. Fare thee well." The Wizard turns around and leaves.
1094 AD, Midwinter
There is rioting in the south of Methiant!
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Governor of the city of Anwyl reports that many shops have been looted and numerous officials beaten as the ungrateful citizens shout 'down with the King!' 'Yoe the Lazy outta Methiant!' and such phrases.
A) Let them vent, it will pass, especially that undead are gone now.
B) This shall not stand! Time to send in the Army and bonk some heads!
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Ten days later you receive a report; the Army was able to pacify the city but numerous buildings were burnt to cinders. Almost two thousand citizens died in fighting and in the fires, and about five hundred of your soldiers were beaten on the streets! The ugly affair however was fixed after some time, and nobody in Anwyl dares shout vulgarities in your general direction.
1094 AD, End of the Year
As you're enjoying a mug of beer, while your wife rattles about some folk tales about the recent undead menace, the Advisor arrives with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands and a unhappy scowl on his face.
Happiness: 3
Population: 5
Economy: 5
Army: 4
"The people remain a bit unhappy about lack of swift resolution to the problem of the undeath. Shall we sponsor festivities in the coming year to lift their spirits?"
A) "About time we party!"
B) "Not this time, no."
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 07, 2017, 12:27:24 pm
A, let's dial that Happiness up a notch and let the spices take it the rest of the way.
Post by: omada on September 07, 2017, 12:30:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 07, 2017, 12:32:30 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2017, 12:33:05 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 12:52:44 pm
1095 AD, Spring
The caravan of spice arrives from Ceodwell! The powders and roots and petals and seeds smell just wonderfully, and the plethora of reds, purples, yellows, browns and blacks stain the fingers of those courtiers who were brave enough to taste the exotic spices - soon reporting the sour, sweet, spicy, extra spicy and unbearably spicy tastes of them all. Your beloved Gedavina spends some of this wonderful spice, 'cinnamon', to personally bake the sweetest apple pie you ever tasted.
The acquired Gubta spices are soon sold amongst wealthier citizens and the nobles of the Kingdom.
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The people are ecstatic to have such wonderful seasonings, and the Treasury earns a nice cut on proxy trade of the spices.
1095 AD, Mid-Spring
Your dear wife Gedavina gives birth! It is a girl again, and your Queen names her 'Isha'.
1095 AD, Two days later
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You hold the hand of your dear wife. The bout of fever struck her weakened body in the morning after Isha's birth, and the situation only worsened. Despite your healer's best efforts, the spirits of death took Gedavina in the night.
The Kingdom of Methiant begins the mourning of the death of their young Queen.
1095 AD, Summer
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You can't believe, but you miss the constant chatter and blahblah of Gedavina. The bedchambers were always full of her voice, and now your quarters are deadly silent, unless your daughters decide to break the silence with baby crying.
The sadness in your heart needs to be brushed away, but how you shall deal with your grievances?
A) By drowning the sadness in copious amounts of alcohol.
B) By spilling the sadness onto paper in poetic forms.
C) By shutting it away in depths of your heart.
D) By comissioning a statue in Gedavina's honor in palace gardens.
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 07, 2017, 01:06:11 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on September 07, 2017, 01:12:50 pm
No, we must instead honor her spirit with spirits.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2017, 01:39:26 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 07, 2017, 01:46:19 pm
Post by: omada on September 07, 2017, 02:13:26 pm
Maybe the statue will only remind him
D
If the statue works it's okay, if it don't work he can still try his hidden talents for art, and with both he will show great respect to Gedavina's family
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 02:20:37 pm
1095 AD, Midsummer
A renowned bronze-maker from Lametania has been chosen as the best man for the job; he will have it cast and shaped based on several portraits and images of Gedavina the palace has.
1095 AD, Autumn
The statue is complete; it is truly a marvel, and has captured the beauty of Gedavina in detail. The bronze-maker is paid handsomely for his masterwork and departs to his homeland.
The bronze statue ends in middle of the palatial gardens, surrounded by flower combs and with a small fountain at the statue's feet.
Several days later, Battlebrother Krush from the Tech Cloister arrives at the palace. He greets you with the sign of Alldivines.
"Greetings, King Yoe! Our holy orders have dealt with your father, providing them with troops in exchange for donations to our altars. Do tell, are you interested in acquisition of thousand young but skilled men?"
A) "Sure, extra soldiers are always useful."
B) "Nah."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 07, 2017, 02:23:14 pm
Post by: omada on September 07, 2017, 02:26:58 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 07, 2017, 02:40:03 pm
The short time we spend controlling her makes the death worse.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2017, 02:41:04 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 07, 2017, 03:25:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 03:28:36 pm
1095 AD, Winter
Gemstones arrive at the Treasury, silver is sent to Ceodwells.
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The year of festivities was more than welcomed by the peasants. They've celebrated, feasted and had great time in general.
1095 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives with Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 6
Population: 5
Economy: 5
Army: 5
Those are good numbers.
However, the Advisor lingers till you take a hint.
"Is there a matter to discuss, my dear Advisor?"
"There is." The Advisor bows his bearded head. "You have no heir, sire. While Gedavina was a faithful wife who provided your with children, no son was born of this marriage. While you are mourning, some believe that we should make haste and find you another wife, so that hopefully the Yoe dynasty shall continue."
A) Shoo him away lest you do something violent.
B) "Fine, find me a wife somewhere in Methiant."
C) "Fine, find me a wife of importance abroad."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 07, 2017, 03:29:30 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 07, 2017, 03:32:09 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 07, 2017, 03:39:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 07, 2017, 03:53:08 pm
to keep the options viable.
Post by: Draignean on September 07, 2017, 03:53:50 pm
We can make another statue when we realize how much we miss his annual reports.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2017, 03:56:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 07, 2017, 03:56:23 pm
Also queens, queens are great.
Post by: Twinwolf on September 07, 2017, 03:57:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 03:59:25 pm
1096 AD, Spring
Two envoys request an audience, the guards say! Both come from unlikely places; the first comes from the distant Eldrican Kingdom in the west, with some offer for military cooperation, and the other from the equally distant
The guards ask whom to let first to the throne room.
A) The envoy from the
B) The envoy from Eldrican Kingdom.
//EDIT: Fixed a little geographical derp '<.
Post by: Baffler on September 07, 2017, 05:59:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 07, 2017, 06:47:34 pm
Also, 3 hours and only 1 vote? During peak traffic time?
I'm so sad ;<;
Post by: birdy51 on September 07, 2017, 06:54:28 pm
Post by: omada on September 07, 2017, 07:25:05 pm
or b? accept to take part of a war and get a
Post by: Detoxicated on September 07, 2017, 08:05:12 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 07, 2017, 10:32:24 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 07, 2017, 10:44:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 07, 2017, 10:57:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 08, 2017, 03:05:50 am
"Greetings, King Yoe! I bring offer from my master, King Elran III, for certain military venue against few kingdoms that lie between our lands. May we speak in private, at the matter is sensitive and highly important?"
A) "Yea."
B) "Nay!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 08, 2017, 03:15:20 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 08, 2017, 03:23:01 am
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 08, 2017, 05:45:52 am
Post by: Imic on September 08, 2017, 06:52:08 am
Post by: helmacon on September 08, 2017, 07:19:54 am
sure, why not? Joint military adventures worked out so well last time after all.
Post by: omada on September 08, 2017, 08:31:06 am
B! First come economical matters, then we can figure out how those affect our military commitments.
I think that you wanted to vote A, B was for military :v
A, First change into a pair of clothes we give you, pass the anti-murderer inspection,let us wear complete armor and a sword, jump three times, praise helix, fart in three lenguages...
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 08, 2017, 08:33:56 am
I think that you wanted to vote A, B was for military :v
Oh, whatever. Choosing which of the approaching idiots to talk to first has almost never actually mattered.
Post by: crazyabe on September 08, 2017, 10:44:56 am
Post by: Haspen on September 08, 2017, 10:59:12 am
"King Yoe, as you know, your father warred against Queen Karkhuta, causing her Kingdom to shatter upon her untimely death." That is true, and you nod at the envoy.
"Lately however, the Koi begun to assimilate the western Felonsines into their fold while also striking amicable alliances with the remainder of Felonsein factions. They also managed to reconcile with the Kiwis via political marriage. This doesn't look good for us, Eldricans."
"King Elran III therefore asks that you march your armies and attack one of the factions of Felonsines allied to the Kois. In the meanwhile, we will strike against the Koi, while some other of our friends will stir up trouble with Kiwis."
"And what do I get from that?" The envoy smiles.
"While, the Felonsine territories that you get! Plus also we know that your father pursued knowledge of Fireblood; we will thus provide you with Felonsine and our own designs. And, Queen Velela has recently given birth to a daughter, so King Elran III wouldn't be averse to a bethrothal of hers to your sons, if you get any?"
A) "That is mighty fine deal. We will strike against the Felonsines as soon as we can."
B) "That is mighty risky deal. I'm not sure that it is profitable venue at this moment, unless your master could offer something else..."
C) "No, no, three times no. We have enough on our hands at the moment."
Post by: crazyabe on September 08, 2017, 11:15:42 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 08, 2017, 11:16:01 am
I like it! The fact that we don't have (and maybe won't get) any sons shouldn't let us stop from betrothing our heir to King Elran's daughter. Especially since none of this stipulates we need to succeed at any part of the warfare.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 08, 2017, 11:22:38 am
either way, A
Post by: omada on September 08, 2017, 11:35:26 am
Should we send letter to our north friends?
B
Post by: Prophet on September 08, 2017, 01:39:39 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 08, 2017, 01:59:55 pm
Eldrican is currently distant, and I think notably larger than us. I'm not sure a lesser daughter is enough safety after we help them get bigger and closer. And that's assuming everything goes as expected for the next 15 years or so.... I'd rather he just said territory and Fireblood straight up. Why complicate it by promising away a potential daughter-in-law slot? That's kinda valuable, and we're not getting anything measurable that our army couldn't earn without it (loaned or otherwise).
(Remember how dad refused a potentially valuable marriage offer for us when he thought the first one was still going through? Obviously betrothals are necessary for royals and good for kingdoms, but there's a lesson there about managing expectations.)
B!
Negotiate with a possible eye toward attacking Felonsines with or without a deal, our numbers are quite good and they are troubled. And a possible eye toward betrothing one of our daughters instead or additionally, a double marriage is a much stronger bond (and will at any rate be between parties that actually exist).
I kinda wish the advisor had an updated map showing the fractures in the west/south and the stories our dearly departed queen brought concerning consolidations in the north during the regency. Maybe with dashed lines to indicate the zones of internal dissent. ;D
Post by: helmacon on September 08, 2017, 02:29:01 pm
Sound logic. I could do with an updated map too.
Post by: omada on September 08, 2017, 05:29:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2017, 04:03:50 pm
"I will carry this message to King Elran III with haste. May Damed bless you with victory!" He quickly leaves your palace.
Then the envoy of the Shahshans meets with you in the throne room.
"Greetings, King Yoe of this land called Methiant! My master, King Shahar, blessed be his rule, has embarked upon a construction project to celebrate both his wife's 65th birthday and their 50th marriage anniversary; a splendid palace to house her and her numerous daughters and granddaughters. But there is shortage of ornamental stones, opals mostly, that were to decorate the marvelous domed ceilings and bathing pools and doors of the palace. King Shahar looked far and wide for a supplier till he learned that your Kingdom does mine such gemstones on regular basis. Do tell, would you be interested in dealing with King Shahar?"
A) "Sure, let's negotiate."
B) "No, thank you."
Post by: omada on September 09, 2017, 04:08:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on September 09, 2017, 04:09:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2017, 04:19:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2017, 04:26:19 pm
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After a long time, the envoy wants to buy 5 years worth of gemstones for 5 years of monetary gain, if your Treasurer's calculations are correct. Not real bonus there, except maybe Shahar's friendliness in the future...
A) "That is a good offer. We have a deal!"
B) "That is a weak offer. I want more money for it!"
C) "That is a weak offer. Does your King have anything else to offer?"
D) "Pfeh, this offer is an insult! There will be no deals."
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2017, 04:30:07 pm
Post by: Iituem on September 09, 2017, 05:38:40 pm
C
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 09, 2017, 05:41:25 pm
Post by: omada on September 09, 2017, 06:09:32 pm
If it was the last king i would choose C. but what if we roll a 1?
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2017, 07:10:51 pm
If it was the last king i would choose C. but what if we roll a 1?
I assume (hope?) our lucky trait is at least enough so we don't mortally insult the envoy and start a war.
Still, we legit lost the first roll and I don't see any point to pushing on this agreement when our attention is turning west.
A
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2017, 07:18:20 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 09, 2017, 09:07:40 pm
Maybe they will offer one of their daughters!
Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2017, 02:48:35 am
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"No, my master, King Shahar was only interesting in buying the goods. If you do not wish to part with them, then I shall waste no more of your time and seek a friend elsewhere. Goodbye." He bows and leaves, while the Treasurer sighs unhappily.
Few days later you convene a council to decide how to best approach the war with Felonsines. Most agree that Methiant army ought to roam about at their borderlands, causing chaos. Few seem interested in all out war, but of course it is for you to decide.
A) We stop at nothing till we conquer some land! We will make Methiant great again!
B) Alright, we will poke their side, burns some villages, and ask Eldricans to reward us. That was the deal.
"Also, King Yoe II, will you lead us to glory in battle?"
A) "THOU SHALL TAKETH A GUESS!!"
B) "Um, no, best I don't do that."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 10, 2017, 03:02:11 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 10, 2017, 04:23:05 am
We can always accidentally capture a few cities if there is no resistance.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 10, 2017, 07:50:51 am
Lets not constantly over commit to stuff.
Post by: birdy51 on September 10, 2017, 08:25:41 am
We have no real heir. Until either our daughter grows up, or we get baby-making, I can't recommend going to war.
Post by: omada on September 10, 2017, 09:14:22 am
BB
Blietzkrieg
AB
Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2017, 11:00:33 am
We get three rewards from the Eldrican deal:
- A princess; but first we'll need at least one prince
- The phrasing implied a gift of Eldrican Fireblood technology, distinct from Felonsine in unspecified way
- Felonsien territory and Fireblood tech, that which we capture
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 10, 2017, 11:06:02 am
Let's not screw around on showing the Felonsines what for, we've got to be quick if want to be both dividing and conquering.
Post by: crazyabe on September 10, 2017, 12:18:25 pm
Post by: melkor on September 10, 2017, 12:26:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 10, 2017, 12:32:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 10, 2017, 01:40:51 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on September 10, 2017, 03:07:26 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 11, 2017, 01:47:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 11, 2017, 02:02:40 pm
1096 AD, Mid-Spring
You receive first report from the 'frontlines': your soldiers crossed into Felonsein territory, and, after sending a small unit of horsemen fleeing westwards, have captured several villages, the local peasantry equally confused and terrified of the invasion.
Next day, there's a lucky find in one of guest chambers!
One of the guest chambers was overdue for renovation, but when the palace servants moved a large wooden wardrobe aside, a small chest fell out from a hiding space behind it. They've given it to the captain of the guard who brought it to you. With a locksmith examining and then opening the box, its contents are revealed.
The box is filled with golden, pearl and glass jewelry adorned with markings of Houlandine dynasty. With an old but still pretty blue-dyed dress included, these must've belonged to a lady from Luathbas' royal family. There are also few bits of perfumed wax, along with several gold coins. All of these coins bear images of the Luathbas Kings, both from Houlandine dynasty and the dynasty before it.
Treasurer's appraisal experts believe that this box must've been hidden during or after the collapse of Luathbas.
The Treasurer of course asks what do you wish to do with this treasure cache.
A) Send it to the Ceodwells, the only true descendants of the Houlandines. They might appreciate our gift.
B) Try to find a good seller for the trinkets. Who knows, it might help our Treasury a bit.
C) Keep it safe; mayhaps we can gift it to our next wife, or maybe to our daughters when they marry.
Post by: crazyabe on September 11, 2017, 02:10:27 pm
Post by: Iituem on September 11, 2017, 02:19:55 pm
Post by: Imic on September 11, 2017, 02:30:40 pm
C. We can always pawn them later, and if one of our daughters marries into the Coedwell line, it would make a fine wedding dress.I agree.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 11, 2017, 02:41:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 11, 2017, 02:58:19 pm
The caravan of Gubta spices arrives at your palace next morning!
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The hunger for spice grows exponentially - people toss their money in the faces of your merchants just to get a bag of their favorite sweet, sour, spicy or savory flavors. Treasury earns double the profits compared to last year!
Two weeks later you receive an update on the war in the west; the Felonsines apparently remain divided underneath the picture of stability; one nobleman surrendered along with five hundred soldiers, while some retainers of Queen Goana fled northwards toward the mountains; another group of more loyal men (a thousand soldiers) was defeated and routed.
1096 AD, Late Spring
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The unthinkable have happened - the Felonsines surrendered their capital! The city garrison refused to take arms while some of Goana's relatives were executed or captured by your soldiers. The Queen has fled southwards to Lametania, home of her husband King Otalan. Numerous barons are abandoning her banner and surrendering themselves to your officers, while the few remaining loyalists flee southwards to Lametania or westwards toward Duchy of Koi.
Few hours after the report you receive a messenger of King Elran of Eldrican; his forces have successfully tied up forces of the Koi by besieging three border forts, hopefully preventing them from intervening in your war against the Felonsines (which King Elran says begun most favorably).
This surprising yet welcome success has caused many of your courtiers to start celebrating already!
The messenger who brought the report from your generals however awaits orders. You decide to...
A) Have most of the Army pull away from Felonsein, now that it has been conquered.
B) Have the Army rest and recuperate, because they're going to invade Duchy of Koi next month!
C) Have the Army rest and recuperate in the newly conquered lands to see how situation develops in the far west.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 11, 2017, 03:00:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 11, 2017, 03:14:03 pm
if he asks for help, we are definitely in a position to do so.
Post by: crazyabe on September 11, 2017, 03:15:28 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 11, 2017, 03:31:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 11, 2017, 03:35:50 pm
1096 AD, Summer
There is a situation on the southern border!
Numerous reports come from several border garrisons and city governors; Lametanian riders begun raiding into Methiant territory, burning villages and killing peasants left and right! While there has been no formal declaration of hostilities from King Otalan, the comamnders in the south do treat this as war and request immediate assistance! You decide to...
A) Send a letter to King Otalan, asking him to explain this unprovoked aggression.
B) Send some city guards and royal bodyguards to strengthen the border.
C) Send for the Army in Felonsein to pack up and head for border with Lametania.
Post by: helmacon on September 11, 2017, 03:41:22 pm
Anyways, C
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 11, 2017, 03:43:49 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 11, 2017, 04:16:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 11, 2017, 04:49:12 pm
This feels like they're trying to draw our army away from Felonsine.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 11, 2017, 04:53:07 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on September 11, 2017, 05:17:16 pm
B
Post by: vastaghen12 on September 11, 2017, 05:47:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 11, 2017, 05:59:45 pm
A week later you get a report from the southern garrisons; an army of about two thousand soldiers (about half of them mounted) has been spotted moving toward Felonsein. The garrison commanders alerted your soldiers in that area, but they ask you for instructions, especially that at least five small groups of Lametanian horsemen are still running circles about your borderlands.
A) Keep calm and concentrate on the raiders for now.
B) Send out raiding parties into Lametania to wreak some havoc!
C) Try to coordinate a pincer attack to annihilate the Lametanians!
Post by: omada on September 11, 2017, 08:04:10 pm
if yes:
A) attack raiders
B) counter-attack (main force send horses to harass)
C) pincer attack
If not
A) attack raiders
B)e retarded and ignore everything around
C) back stabbed by raiders
Post by: Iituem on September 11, 2017, 08:09:55 pm
Will the main force located in felonsien be involved?
if yes:
A) attack raiders
B) counter-attack (main force send horses to harass)
C) pincer attack
If not
A) attack raiders
B)e retarded and ignore everything around
C) back stabbed by raiders
This exactly.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 11, 2017, 09:53:40 pm
Post by: omada on September 11, 2017, 10:12:25 pm
A Eliminate raiders first (or at least guarantee they won't come to aid), and then pincer attack the invading troops,
Did we got some fireblood from the attack? it will be funny seeing the horses run scared when we fire it from inside the walls.
Post by: Haspen on September 15, 2017, 03:09:38 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 15, 2017, 03:11:41 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 15, 2017, 06:25:03 am
Post by: Haspen on September 15, 2017, 06:38:01 am
A week later you receive two reports.
First is from the border; the raiding parties were all hunted down, and only few Lametanian horsemen escaped to their homeland.
The second is from Methiant; your Army there met with advancing Lametanian force.
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It didn't as good as you could've hoped. While your Army was victorious, they traded kills at a ratio 1 for 1 with the Lametanians. Almost two thousand loyal Methiantese were killed in the battle. However, your soldiers stood their ground, and the Lametanian army was crushed.
Five days after this gruesome battle you receive another report, this time from officer of engineers who was conducting a search at Felonsine palace and the royal armories. They have found 7 disassembled Blackhearts and no Whitehearts (which were employed against your father in 1085). Fireblood or its components amounted to several bags of the stuff.
The officer concludes that your enemies either ran out of ammunition and gave up on the technology or moved the valuable death machines somewhere and away from your reach.
1096 AD, Midsummer
Shortly into Midsummer, you prepare to get some sleep after a heavy afternoon feast. As you prepare to sail away into the dreamlands, you hear a 'tap' and clink of metal. You wake up and sit up in your bed, spotting an assassin at the window!
She turns around to notice that you woke up-
"Gedavina?" This cannot be! You have buried your dearest wife in the royal tombs, but there she is! Those eyes, that hair! That figure and those sultry lips! It's her, you can swear it!
"Gedavina!" The woman quickly turns around and jumps out the window, her grey cloak fluttering behind her!
A) Run after her!
B) Call the guards!
Post by: Kashyyk on September 15, 2017, 06:48:06 am
Screw it, A!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 15, 2017, 07:38:26 am
Post by: Imic on September 15, 2017, 09:20:43 am
Post by: crazyabe on September 15, 2017, 09:45:14 am
Post by: helmacon on September 15, 2017, 10:22:35 am
it's an elaborate ruse!
But if not, I sure am glad we built a statue of her in the courtyard.
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 15, 2017, 11:54:43 am
We get by on good luck, not good judgment!
Post by: Draignean on September 15, 2017, 11:58:34 am
Post by: Puppyguard on September 15, 2017, 12:35:53 pm
It's a trick! Someone made an assassin look-alike via copying the statue's face that we had constructed.
Post by: Culise on September 15, 2017, 02:29:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 15, 2017, 02:41:41 pm
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You hop one leg over the window and then get to your senses. There's no Gedavina anywhere outside. You check the walls, the skies, the roofs and the ground. Your leg dangles as people in the palace go about their business, even the guards, who would see her themselves for sure.
Your chamber guards, alarmed by the shouts, soon arrive and you tell them what, or whom, you saw.
Later that day...
The Spymaster, captain of the guard and the Advisor are all in the chamber, as you read their combined report.
"Nobody saw her!?" Your courtiers are startled at your rather angry question.
"Sire. Nobody, no one, saw anyone resembling Gedavina in the palace, today, not even anyone remotely similar to her. No people in grey cloaks and long blonde hair either. Sire, it was a feverish hallucination!"
A) "But don't you understand!? SHE WAS REEEEEAL!! Try harder!"
B) "Yes, you're right! That person, it's a faaaaake!! I need some rest."
Post by: birdy51 on September 15, 2017, 02:47:58 pm
We will not deny the truth, even if the cost is madness.
Post by: Draignean on September 15, 2017, 02:49:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 15, 2017, 02:57:38 pm
True love makes all things better!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 15, 2017, 04:09:23 pm
A
Post by: omada on September 15, 2017, 09:29:36 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2017, 10:18:42 pm
But if we're going to get some kind of paranoid trait for just 2 choices, I am so going grumpy :I
If it is however a temporary trait until we find out that SHE'S AN ILLUSION or GHOSTIE POWERS or something magical, then that'd be a creative bout of awesome.
Although I hope we roll better in explaining because "SHE'S REAL D:" may not be...suitable of our position. Unless we're really shocked. :P
Post by: crazyabe on September 15, 2017, 11:56:41 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on September 16, 2017, 12:02:47 am
Post by: Puppyguard on September 16, 2017, 12:25:10 am
Post by: helmacon on September 16, 2017, 12:43:06 am
Post by: Prophet on September 16, 2017, 12:16:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 16, 2017, 01:06:49 pm
bbbbb
"Don't you understand!? SHE WAS REEEALL! I do not believe in such intricate coincidence and complex plotting behind my back! She is alive, I do not know how! Mayhaps I buried wrong woman in the tombs." You murmur to yourself.
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The courtiers murmur as well and nod to each other.
"We will try harder, my liege. We will strengthen the patrols, tighten the security detail, send out agents and lend an ear to rumors of travelers and adventurers. We will get to the bottom of this strange affair, sire, you can count on it." The Advisor, the captain of the guard and the spymaster all bow and leave to begin their investigation.
Two days later you receive urgent report from the south!
An army of about 1500 soldiers is marching from within Lametania to the border with Methiant! Compared to the previous army, however, this one has many foreign banners and coats of arms amongst Lametanians, and scouts positively recognized some troops as crossbow and heavy swordsman mercenaries of Damdamian Republic.
The commanders of garrisons in the south ask for reinforcements!
A) And they will get them! Send to the Alldivine cloisters, requesting mercenary troops!
B) And they will get them! Send for Army in Felonsein to send part of their troops to the border!
C) We will doubly provide! Army from Felonsein is to move southwards, while a messenger of ours will visit local Alldivine cloisters, asking for mercenaries!
D) The government of Methiant stands with the border guards in their hour of need. Our thoughts and prayers go to the brave Methiant soldiers in the south.
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 16, 2017, 01:12:13 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 16, 2017, 01:20:00 pm
Post by: omada on September 16, 2017, 01:22:49 pm
They probably want's us to move our troops and try to get Felonsien back, if we smash them or pillage a bit they will stop
if not possible:
A
Post by: Criptfeind on September 16, 2017, 01:23:23 pm
Post by: melkor on September 16, 2017, 01:49:27 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 16, 2017, 01:51:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 16, 2017, 02:33:22 pm
These guys just don't know when to quit, do they?
Post by: Imic on September 16, 2017, 03:11:11 pm
Politely.
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2017, 11:15:20 pm
aaaaaaThat is some tipping point of a choice ._.
bbbbb
"Don't you understand!? SHE WAS REEEALL! I do not believe in such intricate coincidence and complex plotting behind my back! She is alive, I do not know how! Mayhaps I buried wrong woman in the tombs." You murmur to yourself.
A
Alldivines are better mercenaries than early Luathbas mercenaries \o/
Unless they actually aren't and its flavor topping the name. :P
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 16, 2017, 11:28:04 pm
C
Post by: ZBridges on September 16, 2017, 11:32:18 pm
Post by: crazyabe on September 16, 2017, 11:54:03 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 17, 2017, 12:07:20 am
Post by: Haspen on September 17, 2017, 03:11:47 am
Four days later the messenger is back; the local Cloisters do not possess enough men to provide for you this time. Your courtiers quickly assemble instead:
"Sire! We must quickly ride to the border and strengthen it with the capital's defenders! The battle surely is not lost yet!"
A) "No, the border guards will have to do on their own."
B) "No, I will send orders to the army in Felonsein to assist them!"
C) "At once! Fetch me my horse and my sword! I will lead your personally!"
Post by: birdy51 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:12 am
Better get brave.
Post by: omada on September 17, 2017, 10:33:09 am
A)
pro: err hmm, we can still roll the dice to defend the lands? no north retaking and no risk of death
con: the dice will have severe penalty, they can march to the capital if they win, and we will have to move the army
it's the worst an most dangerous option
B)
pro: bulk of army ready to defend us from death
con: new land's undefended, just what they want
C)
pro: they will not have a chance to retake the north lands, lucky trait can be activated more frequently?
con: in the heat of the battle, we can die, without heirs, game over? It's just what they want
Haspen, the luck trait, how it work? you thrown a coin to discover if it will give a +1 or not?
Post by: Criptfeind on September 17, 2017, 10:36:59 am
I think the luck trait has a 10% chance to give +1 to any roll, right?
Post by: Kashyyk on September 17, 2017, 10:52:46 am
Post by: melkor on September 17, 2017, 11:43:38 am
Post by: Puppyguard on September 17, 2017, 09:36:49 pm
Actually, I'd rather not push our luck. B
hahaha
Post by: crazyabe on September 17, 2017, 10:07:23 pm
Post by: Imic on September 18, 2017, 08:25:13 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 18, 2017, 10:51:40 am
Succession crises are bad. Much worse than losing newly-conquered lands.
Post by: helmacon on September 18, 2017, 11:35:05 am
they already beat one army up there. What ate the chances of another showing up?
Post by: omada on September 18, 2017, 12:30:17 pm
1. to it still be an option (although it's seven votes against 3)
2. It's not the north lands will be entirely undefended, if we can move this fast the army to south we can move back fast
Maybe we should get some ally, you know, our father sent part of his army to combat the orcs in ceodwells lands, they should return the favor, cough cough
Post by: Haspen on September 18, 2017, 05:06:49 pm
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Four days later you're at the border, just to learn that the border guards actually managed to repel the Lametanian leftovers and their mercenaries. Phew!
A) Let's ride into Lametania and enact payment for this vile assaults!
B) Time to leave reinforcements at the border and head home, then.
Post by: helmacon on September 18, 2017, 05:11:14 pm
wew lad.
We can get vengeance later. Let's consolidate our gains.
Post by: omada on September 18, 2017, 05:51:59 pm
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 18, 2017, 05:53:57 pm
This is getting a bit pathetic on their end.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 18, 2017, 06:13:33 pm
Post by: crazyabe on September 18, 2017, 07:09:42 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 19, 2017, 01:59:03 am
Post by: melkor on September 19, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
But when we leave it to the NPC's they fucking rock.
We should do this more often.
Also B
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 19, 2017, 05:54:23 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on September 19, 2017, 06:56:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2017, 11:40:39 pm
1096 AD, Autumn
The borders are quiet.
However the roads in newly conquered Felonsein are not. Your newest adminsitrators in the land bemoan the ever increasing numbers of bandits. Most of them are deserters from Felonsein army; after their rules fled ignobly, the soldiers decided to take other, less scrupulous occupations, to sustain themselves.
They ask that you permamently station part of the Army as road guards.
A) No! The Army can help, but only until I recall them home.
B) Agreed. We conquered Felonsein, time we tend to it.
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:06:28 am
FOR TRADE!
B
Post by: ZBridges on September 20, 2017, 12:49:52 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 20, 2017, 01:54:51 am
Can we get a map update as well now? A lot of borders seem to have been redrawn since last time.
Post by: helmacon on September 20, 2017, 02:52:56 am
Post by: omada on September 20, 2017, 07:22:22 am
Can we get a map update as well now? A lot of borders seem to have been redrawn since last time.
Damn!, i was about to say that there already has a updated map, but then i noticed that i just dreamed about spamkingdom, wtf?
Can't we just recruit out of Felonsein? Give them a job again?
Yep, just, wtf guys? there were nobles that changed sides, change you too or move away, we need numbers to whatever shit happens next
B
Post by: Criptfeind on September 20, 2017, 08:18:09 am
Post by: helmacon on September 20, 2017, 11:00:08 am
Post by: Imic on September 20, 2017, 11:44:20 am
Post by: Prophet on September 21, 2017, 11:57:22 pm
Post by: Imic on September 28, 2017, 05:56:41 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 28, 2017, 07:40:13 am
Hello?Haspen just ported his everything onto a new and fancier computer, so there's both the adaptation time to a new operating system, and ooooo shiny games to play \o/
He'll be back in the next few days, or soon! :)
Post by: Imic on September 28, 2017, 08:16:26 am
Thank the Alldivines!Hello?Haspen just ported his everything onto a new and fancier computer, so there's both the adaptation time to a new operating system, and ooooo shiny games to play \o/
He'll be back in the next few days, or soon! :)
Post by: Puppyguard on September 28, 2017, 01:32:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 28, 2017, 11:44:13 pm
1096 AD, Winter
The Spymaster presents his report. For four months, his agents traveled thorough the entire kingdom, and even beyond its borders, and failed to find anyone remotely similar to Gedavina that could also be a spy, mercenary, adventurer, warrior or hired assassin of any kind.
You grumble and acknowledge that you must've been seeing things.
Few days later, during a council with the nobles, all things go smoothly till very end, when they again bring the insensitive issue to you.
"My liege, you still lack a true heir. For the glory and safety of the dynasty and Kingdom of Methiant, you should re-marry."
A) "Nonsense! My brother is still around, he will take over the throne when I'm dead."
B) "Agreed. The time has come - find me a suitable wife to be my next Queen."
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 28, 2017, 11:52:26 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 29, 2017, 01:16:55 am
or option 2, go for a skilled wife who can help us administer the country.
or option 3, reform governing, marriage and inheritance laws so our daughters can be the heirs.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 29, 2017, 01:18:08 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 29, 2017, 01:21:34 am
Post by: helmacon on September 29, 2017, 01:54:54 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 29, 2017, 02:29:19 am
Post by: Imic on September 29, 2017, 02:51:46 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 29, 2017, 09:21:51 am
YWK (Young Widower King) w/ children seeks beautiful blonde princess for long talks, moonlight adventures, and raising a family. Discreet inquiries may be addressed to: 1 Royal Palace Square, Methiant, Methiant
Haspen—
Other lands are ruled by a queen, is our culture particularly obstinate or could there be some (possibly twisty) path to daughter inheritance? At the least if, for whatever future reasons, a son just isn't rolled up?
Well, I guess that one's probably a coin flip but you get the idea.
Post by: Iituem on September 29, 2017, 09:25:07 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 29, 2017, 09:49:28 am
We must learn to love again.
Post by: omada on September 29, 2017, 04:25:43 pm
Post by: Imic on September 30, 2017, 06:08:22 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 30, 2017, 08:56:40 am
Bump
Fairly certain Haspen hates it when people bump his threads, so don't do it.
Post by: Haspen on September 30, 2017, 02:13:52 pm
Bump
Fairly certain Haspen hates it when people bump his threads, so don't do it.
Ye when people bump, I take even more of sweet time to get back and update v;
You agree to let them find you a proper wife. The councilmembers sigh collectively in relief.
Few days later, gemstones arrive at your Treasury, while silver is sent eastwards.
1096 AD, Midwinter
On a very snowy, very windy morning, your guards enter your chambers and announce that two delegates seek audience. One is from the distant Eldrican Kingdom, wishing to discuss the situation with Kiwis, Kois and Felonsines. The other diplomat is from Ceodwell, with offer of royal marriage from his King. As you dress up, you tell the guards that you will first meet with...
A) The Eldrican emissary.
B) The Ceodwell envoy.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 30, 2017, 02:15:04 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on September 30, 2017, 02:37:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 30, 2017, 02:51:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 30, 2017, 03:42:14 pm
If our goals are changing, we may be looking to gain something different marriage. We should know where we stand first.
Post by: Haspen on September 30, 2017, 05:42:06 pm
"Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant! Our campaign against Koi and Kiwi has been a success. The Duchy of Koi has been annexed and the Kiwis are now our vassals. Nothing but a small unit of noble cavalry arrived from Felonsein to help them, and we believe it you our King has to thank for. Therefore he wishes to know what you desire more, ties to his powerful family or secrets of Fireblood?"
A) "Calling him a brother would be an honour. Let's arrange a marriage between our kingdoms."
B) "An infusion of western schematics will do nicely to advance our own Blackheart development."
C) "Those aren't what I hoped for, in terms of a reward. Is there anything else I could have?"
Post by: helmacon on September 30, 2017, 05:51:34 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on September 30, 2017, 05:53:42 pm
Post by: omada on September 30, 2017, 05:57:34 pm
"While, the Felonsine territories that you get! Plus also we know that your father pursued knowledge of Fireblood; we will thus provide you with Felonsine and our own designs. And, Queen Velela has recently given birth to a daughter, so King Elran III wouldn't be averse to a bethrothal of hers to your sons, if you get any?"Did an emmissary fooled us?
A) Err, unless they had other kids that could marry us or our daughter, it will be a poor choice.
B) a new weapon is nice, although we don't exactly have the ammunition we can figure someway to do deals like the felonsine did, offer our blackhearts in trade for material or coin or both. plus, never depend on other nations to offer it to us
C) "Hey we did this deal but as you don't remember it well or we were fooled we might know what else you can offer" something nicer can appear here, if there is a roll it can end poorly or way better
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 30, 2017, 06:01:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 30, 2017, 08:24:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 30, 2017, 09:00:27 pm
Aren't already his daughter promised to one of our sons should it be born? And also the schematics?"While, the Felonsine territories that you get! Plus also we know that your father pursued knowledge of Fireblood; we will thus provide you with Felonsine and our own designs. And, Queen Velela has recently given birth to a daughter, so King Elran III wouldn't be averse to a bethrothal of hers to your sons, if you get any?"Did an emmissary fooled us?
I thought at the time we were getting lowballed, Elran may be trying to cheap out again.
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B) a new weapon is nice, although we don't exactly have the ammunition we can figure someway to do deals like the felonsine did, offer our blackhearts in trade for material or coin or both. plus, never depend on other nations to offer it to us(until we die)
We have the raw ingredients both Ceodwell and Felonsein were after. That's why I believe the reports that Felonsines "ran out" of ammo, because we stopped supplying it! Definitely
B.
I agree with Harry Baldman that Fireblood is forever.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 01, 2017, 07:59:20 am
I agree with Harry Baldman that Fireblood is forever.
Until smokeless Fireblood, I guess, or weaponized Green Crystals.
Post by: omada on October 01, 2017, 08:05:36 am
QuoteB) a new weapon is nice, although we don't exactly have the ammunition we can figure someway to do deals like the felonsine did, offer our blackhearts in trade for material or coin or both. plus, never depend on other nations to offer it to us(until we die)
We have the raw ingredients both Ceodwell and Felonsein were after. That's why I believe the reports that Felonsines "ran out" of ammo, because we stopped supplying it! Definitely
B.
I agree with Harry Baldman that Fireblood is forever.
Nah, our mines "dried out somewhat" according with the text in the day of sucession, maybe we have materials stocked or just a very weak bust still operational mine
(maybe we can call the dwarves to prospect the mines)
But B still is the best option
Post by: Haspen on October 01, 2017, 12:21:33 pm
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Soon others near him clamor for attention.
"My liege, but what about the other rewards we were promised?" You order the envoy to explain himself, but you see his cloak disappearing behind the door!
"Stop him!"
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The suspiciously-acting emissary is quickly caught after he has the unfortunate bump against trio of your guards. The man is hauled into the dungeon for the time being.
Your noblemen talk amongst themselves about this strange yet dangerous happening. The Advisor leans to you.
"Shall we postpone the talk with emissary from Ceodwell to interrogate the Eldrican, or shall we go as if nothing happened?"
A) "Dismiss the Ceodwellian man, we need to get answers from this strange imposter first!"
B) "We will get answers in time, let's continue on as if nothing happened. Get the Ceodwell emissary in."
Post by: Baffler on October 01, 2017, 12:52:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 01, 2017, 01:33:28 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 01, 2017, 08:01:52 pm
Nah, our mines "dried out somewhat" according with the text in the day of sucession, maybe we have materials stocked or just a very weak bust still operational mine
(maybe we can call the dwarves to prospect the mines)
My mistake I overlooked that detail. Even so knowledge is power, although the recent twist makes it moot.
And for the current question, unless we have reason to believe spies are hiding suicide pills these days he can wait in the dungeon. Ceodwell is Mother's family and not to be disrespected. B
Post by: omada on October 02, 2017, 07:44:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 03, 2017, 01:18:09 am
Post by: crazyabe on October 05, 2017, 07:38:46 am
Post by: Imic on October 07, 2017, 01:31:03 am
Post by: Haspen on October 07, 2017, 04:08:41 am
"Greetings, King Yoe! I bring joyous news and an offer to bring our nations together! Queen Cecera has recently given birth to a boy, whom she named Cad - he's the second son of King Ceodwell X. He has also learned that your youngest daughter is merely year old. Would you be interested in matrimonial contract between yours and Ceodwellian royal family, promising to marry your daughter Isha to Cad fifteen years from now?"
A) "No, I'm not interested in any such contracts with Ceodwell family."
B) "They're merely toddlers, who knows what might happen before they grow up. Ask me again in few years."
C) "Absolutely, it's always a pleasure to maintain positive relationship with King Ceodwell X."
Post by: helmacon on October 07, 2017, 04:29:11 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 07, 2017, 09:39:16 am
We can always pawn them later, and if one of our daughters marries into the Coedwell line, it would make a fine wedding dress.
You called it!
C
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 07, 2017, 09:41:39 am
Post by: Haspen on October 07, 2017, 10:21:46 am
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Few days later you learn that theb shady emissary from the west perished from torture. Oops. The Spymaster then presents you with the report: the only thing they managed to get out of him was that he wasn't actually an Eldrican emissary.
1096 AD, Late Winter
Your courtiers are ecstatic; they believe they found you a proper wife! It is Segeda, daughter of wealthy nobleman from the eastern borderlands of Methiant, not far from where the silver mines are. They flatter her beauty and wide hips, though little is said of her intellect or conversational skills.
A) Fine, let's marry Segeda.
B) Nah, find me someone else.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 07, 2017, 10:26:37 am
Oh. My. God.
Yoe, look at her hips.
Post by: omada on October 07, 2017, 12:21:51 pm
Oh. My. God.
Yoe, look at her hips.[2]
i don't know
Pros: Wealthy nobleman
yoe,look at her hips (People still believe that it help having healthy babies right?)
Maybe we won't get problems from cydwyll (although there were never problem before with these marriages after death)
con:
More interesting wife from abroad could be lost
Can bore us to death
Talk what she shouldn't talk.
bah, we need to keep the
A
Post by: Kashyyk on October 07, 2017, 12:35:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 07, 2017, 02:42:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 07, 2017, 03:47:10 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 07, 2017, 04:14:33 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 07, 2017, 06:06:39 pm
Post by: birdy51 on October 07, 2017, 06:58:04 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 07, 2017, 09:02:10 pm
Also hips.
Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2017, 10:57:51 pm
A
Oh. My. God.
Yoe, look at her hips.
[...]i don't know
Pros: Wealthy nobleman
yoe,look at her hips (People still believe that it help having healthy babies right?)[...]
B We didn't love Gedavina for her looks or hips (those hips though)[...]This humorous banter is part of why I love these games. :P
A Hips!
A. Best to just get it over with.
Also hips.
HMM :I
A, because probably all these OTHER thoughts are agreeing :P Besides, she could just be shy--book shy and socially shy. We can help that.
Post by: Haspen on October 08, 2017, 03:44:15 am
1096 AD, End of the Year
You feel as if it has been a while, but it's been only a year since last time the Advisor brought the Scrolls of Kingdom Status to you - ah, here he is!
Happiness: 7
Population: 5
Economy: 8
Army: 3
"Your Majesty! If our kingdom is to prosper, it needs more grandiose projects, now that we accumulated lots of money! My aides have prepared several ideas and I'm sure your bright mind have few of their own."
"Also, the people of the Kingdom are quite complacent with your rule and happy with their lives. If there was ever a moment to reap the rewards in the way of extra taxation, that moment is now!"
As for the project...
A) Sponsor construction of new houses and settlements around Methiant to fuel immigration and baby-making.
B) Send the money to develop Felonsein, both to repair war damage (what war?) and get some points amongst recently conquered Felonsines.
C) Build a grandiose monument of victory to commemorate our numerous and successful campaigns and skirmishes.
D) Send for the dwarves so that we might get ourselves a powerfuly, shiny artifact.
E) "Naaaaah." Take a swim in your newfound sea of riches.
F) Refurbish the palace to make it better defended and of proper size for a man of magnitude like yours.
G) Actually, let's send money to Alldivine Cloisters, requesting fresh troops.
As for the taxation...
A) Sure, why not, extra monies is always good!
B) No, lets keep the taxes as they are for now.
"I also must inform you that your scribes have finished the update of the royal map of the region." He unfolds the huge scroll and spreads it on your table, too.
Spoiler: The Huge Map of Big And Small Countries Around Methiant (click to show/hide)
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 08, 2017, 05:49:06 am
Post by: Criptfeind on October 08, 2017, 06:18:34 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 08, 2017, 10:12:37 am
We must become, Good Duede Yoe, who taxes a lot. High premium living, for a fair and honest price. All is good in Methiant.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 08, 2017, 10:21:48 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 08, 2017, 11:16:37 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 08, 2017, 12:08:33 pm
Nah, let's look after our newest people. As far as we're concerned it's all Methiant now.
We recently finished a construction project in the "heartland"; given the speed of surrender I suspect many former Felonsines were unhappy with Goana's reign and doing something nice will cement our rule there plus theoretically have similar economic impact.
Given how the choices separate out, not taxing is our second thing to do with the money . . . keeping happiness high so we can draft the peasants later when we inevitably need to shore up the army. (I'm not asking Alldivines right now because both cloister and standard levy reinforcement should be viable throughout the coming year.)
I almost voted for an artifact, but the weather control one is so great that I'm afraid cosmic balance would bite us in the ass if we tried.
And many thanks for the new map, I'm going to have to note that post # for reference. I hadn't known Eldrican spread so far east while we weren't looking; after the fake emissary thing I was afraid our whole Felonsein campaign was done on false pretenses but that was mostly from looking at outdated map where they couldn't reach Koi directly: now I can see the border conflict there.
Post by: omada on October 08, 2017, 01:08:19 pm
Because i wan't to discover what happens when we manage to get 10 happiness, rush of immigration? People donating to help the crown by themselves? Rush of people wanting to join the army and defend methiant in war?
"Yoe kingdom developed our lands, taught us to read and not be fooled, spent their money on houses and protect us from the storm, long-live good god Yoe we shall spill our blood on the battlefield"
Post by: Imic on October 08, 2017, 01:34:28 pm
I just wanted to mention that I've always pictured the alldivine cloisters as this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Haspen on October 08, 2017, 02:31:32 pm
I just wanted to mention that I've always pictured the alldivine cloisters as this:I know it's a bit off topic, but I just wanted to mention that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They do take over and refurbish old manors, keeps and temples so you're not far from truth with that image ;v
More votes pls.
Post by: Twinwolf on October 08, 2017, 02:38:44 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 08, 2017, 02:40:53 pm
Our vast riches are going to attract the attention of other nations.
Post by: ZBridges on October 08, 2017, 02:47:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 08, 2017, 04:19:23 pm
We are not just big and powerful, but our people are educated and happy. Our crops are safe, and our reputation solid. We have ties with many of the people around us.
I feel like our former wife was out there watching out for us though, and now that we re married, we may have invited her ire.
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 08, 2017, 06:01:20 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 09, 2017, 04:52:55 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 09, 2017, 08:12:19 am
I feel like our former wife was out there watching out for us though, and now that we re married, we may have invited her ire.
If we have, we'll simply need to talk to her about it. She may be dead, but she'll always be alive in our hearts.
Post by: Haspen on October 10, 2017, 02:32:17 pm
Now that the humble self-promotion is outta way, time to update.
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You decide to spend the excess money to do some reparations in Felonsein, hopefully to get things going smoother between you and your newest subjects.
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The grandiose wedding between you and your new wife, Segeda, is truly grandiose and fully sponsored by her father! He says he might've overpaid all this, but he even shares his wealth with you! The Treasurer couldn't be happier.
1097 AD, Spring
Segeda turns out to be as advertised - GLORIOUS HIPS are accompanied by equally beautiful flowing hair, sparkling eyes and long legs. Unfortunately, that's all you can tell of her; she isn't exactly entertained by bed affairs and seems to prefer company of books more than company of a powerful monarch like you.
PERHAPS! Love needs help this time?
A) Present her the ancient and wonderous dress of Luathbas lady from the past!
B) Serenade her with lusty ballads and proclamations of devotion!
C) Sponsor her a truly magnificent library surrounded by gardens!
D) Wait a while, she simply needs adjustment to new place, servants and family.
Post by: Twinwolf on October 10, 2017, 02:33:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 10, 2017, 02:46:36 pm
Sure, why not.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 10, 2017, 04:24:15 pm
We respect a woman's need to go off on her own and read a bunch in private.
Plus if she really isn't interested in us either, that's kind of okay too, we're not super invested into making this a steamy marriage to begin with.
Post by: crazyabe on October 10, 2017, 05:03:50 pm
Post by: omada on October 10, 2017, 07:08:10 pm
If she loves so much books, dumb she can't be at least, maybe there is an artist hidden there
Post by: mightymushroom on October 10, 2017, 07:12:54 pm
C
Post by: helmacon on October 10, 2017, 09:24:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 10, 2017, 09:48:04 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 10, 2017, 11:06:04 pm
Honestly the less time we spend porking the new wife, the more time we can spend focused on trying to pork the undead revenant of our old wifey.+1
Post by: Tiruin on October 10, 2017, 11:35:07 pm
This is the best wife we've had!
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Segeda turns out to be as advertised - GLORIOUS HIPS are accompanied by equally beautiful flowing hair, sparkling eyes and long legs. Unfortunately, that's all you can tell of her; she isn't exactly entertained by bed affairs and seems to prefer company of books more than company of a powerful monarch like you.DUMP THE ROYAL LIBRARY AS PART OF HER ROOM! :D
Lest she be attracted to less scholastic books! Like lusty or sultry ballads in written paper!
C
Post by: Imic on October 11, 2017, 03:06:42 am
Let her be.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 11, 2017, 03:19:28 am
Post by: Haspen on October 11, 2017, 07:39:55 am
Later you learn she was 'thankful' for your kind gesture.
1097 AD, Mid-Spring
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As the caravan of spices arrives, people eagerly buy them in large amounts, but administrators note that people's enthusiasm lessened. Perhaps, as with every novelty, they got used to them.
Still, the Treasury got some nice coin going from the trade!
1097 AD, Summer
An emissary arrived from Ceodwell - and there's another, from distant Eldrican. Whom do you want to see first?
A) The easterner.
B) The westerner.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 11, 2017, 07:51:01 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 11, 2017, 07:51:29 am
East is Ceodwell, and they are closer. So them first! A
Post by: Imic on October 11, 2017, 08:18:42 am
*checks map*
East is Ceodwell, and they are closer. So them first! A
Post by: omada on October 11, 2017, 10:23:10 am
Because eldrican is not
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 11, 2017, 10:32:32 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 11, 2017, 10:45:51 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 11, 2017, 10:59:25 am
We're technically allies in a joint war with Eldrican. I think. Maybe.
That takes precedence. If it's true.
Post by: Baffler on October 11, 2017, 12:44:20 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 11, 2017, 12:50:06 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 11, 2017, 03:17:52 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 12, 2017, 02:46:44 am
Post by: Imic on October 15, 2017, 02:33:09 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 15, 2017, 03:25:21 am
Post by: Haspen on October 15, 2017, 03:31:34 am
"Greetings, King Yoe! My lord and king, Ceodwell X, was most pleased to hear that you agree to have your daughter marry his son. For this, he wrote a guarantee that says his nation to be damned if the contract is broken by his family or nobles." The envoy moves up to your throne and hands you the scroll. Ceodwell X must like you very much if he is risking such a guarantee for almost fifteen years - after all, one unfortunate accident plus one uppity cousin and things might turn ugly very quickly.
A) "Tell your master I am deeply moved by his kind gesture. You may now go."
B) "If he trusts us so much, let us do the same! I will give him a written guarantee of my own in return for this!"
Post by: Kashyyk on October 15, 2017, 03:37:55 am
Post by: Imic on October 15, 2017, 04:54:37 am
B It'd be kinda rude to not do the same now.+1
Post by: Criptfeind on October 15, 2017, 05:12:16 am
A
Post by: melkor on October 15, 2017, 07:47:18 am
Post by: Aigre Excalibur on October 15, 2017, 10:33:47 am
B
Post by: omada on October 15, 2017, 11:01:01 am
But by the way "his nation to be damned" means nothing, really, what he says? give us gold? maybe we can press that. will sabotage his own nation? make an suicide war with the gutbas? he is just saying the equivalent of "I wanna that god strike me with a thunder if I lie" and lie anyway
If it don't state anything clear, it's just words in a useless piece of paper
B for equally useless piece of paper, and say that it don't need to be harsh, we can't predict when (RN)Gods might take a kids life.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 15, 2017, 11:51:19 am
Post by: Haspen on October 15, 2017, 05:11:42 pm
The Eldrican diplomat comes in next. The guards search the confused envoy first. He then pats his robes so they look nice again and steps forward to your throne.
"Greetings, King Yoe! I bring a request from my King, one of utmost importance. May we speak in private?"
A) "But of course, let's retreat to one of side chambers."
B) "Speak publicly or don't speak at all."
Post by: Criptfeind on October 15, 2017, 05:34:52 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 15, 2017, 06:49:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 15, 2017, 07:17:58 pm
This is probably the real envoy.
Post by: omada on October 15, 2017, 10:20:54 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 16, 2017, 02:18:16 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 16, 2017, 02:54:28 pm
"I respect your wish to discuss delicate matters in a less formal setting. Do accept my A pologies that a half squad of guards will accompany us: we've had a recent scare with false envoys and it's put them on edge."
Definitely. We've had too many assassination attempts happen this way.
Post by: Haspen on October 16, 2017, 03:04:49 pm
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Hahah, nah, just screwing with you guys.
Once you two are alone and the door is closed, the envoy bows to you softly.
"I bring dire news from my King. While the developments on our fronts have been most successful, the royal Treasury has been thoroughly drained and King Elran is worried that a year or two more of stiff Koi resistance and his nobles might start complaining while mercenaries will abandon our cause en masse. Therefore he has tasked me with this request - he requires money from our most trusted ally, Kingdom of Methiant. Either a 'small' donation in return of our good will, or a bigger loan that King Elran would start paying off only after we win against the accursed Kiwis and Kois. He has already secured a safe route through the heavily protected lands of Ankurvat dwarves, but your men would need to escort the money through Felonsein..."
You then ask him what kinda money he is talking about and you grimace - that's kinda lotsa money, and the payment plan ain't better!
(One time donation: 5 bits of Economy, loan: 7 bits of Economy, paid back 1 per 1 year only after end of war).
A) "King Elran will know our generosity. I shall donate the smaller amount of money to his cause."
B) "King Elran must be joking. I won't give away such outrageous amount of money to sponsor his badly planned war!"
C) "I cannot give money - but how about I send some of Methiantese forces to assault the lands of Koi?"
D) "King Elran must know that I prefer fair deals. I shall send the loan money, and expectantly await return of it."
Post by: Criptfeind on October 16, 2017, 03:13:05 pm
And, like, looking towards the future... The Eldrican Kingdom is freaking huge and once they take out Koi they'll have a border with us. It might be best if they were destabilized and broke up tbh.
I wish there was a more diplomatic way of saying it, but B.
Post by: crazyabe on October 16, 2017, 03:16:46 pm
Only option that doesn't kill our relationship with 'em, permanently lose a large chunk of cash, or force our troops into combat against a great threat.
Post by: helmacon on October 16, 2017, 03:23:44 pm
B
Post by: omada on October 16, 2017, 05:24:54 pm
Oh, silly haspen, he thinks we are gonna believe in two jokes in a row... wait, the Eldrican is REALLY requesting this? The fuck?
Giving that amount of money for a loan that until now only looks that he will pay till hitting the seven counter again is completely out of question, what the fuck he is giving such an offer without offering something back worth it?
That 1 was for his diplomat trying to convince us right?
Come on, with this amount of money we might need if we got an emergency, this includes hiring troops to aid in his war, he should've asked earlier for attacking Koi when he saw the budget getting thin, we know that the deal was just to conquer felonsien and get schematics plus marriages, but we wouldn't want to have enemies alive in our borders.
I don't see how the Koi are such a great problem for them, we might make an surprise attack and make them have to divide their forces.
Post by: Iituem on October 16, 2017, 06:55:51 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 16, 2017, 07:22:19 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 16, 2017, 07:33:36 pm
Sunk cost fallacy and all that. Besides, we have no obligation to run his country. We already helped him by going to war. We are his ally, but he is not necessarily ours.
What exactly would we stand to gain here anyways?
Post by: Aseaheru on October 16, 2017, 07:57:40 pm
Haspen, can we do a A or D but over the period of, say, three years? If not, than well, D.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 16, 2017, 08:35:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 16, 2017, 08:38:13 pm
(privately mutter) It's not even equal repayment, because we also have to semi-permanently divert a portion of our army to guard the route with no further compensation. Did somebody put a sign on my back that says World's Biggest Chump?
Post by: Iituem on October 16, 2017, 09:04:57 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 16, 2017, 09:16:00 pm
D seems fine, we can raise taxes a bit or something and not spend much for a while, lets get our ally in our debt when they most need it.
You assume they intend on paying it all back in the first place, not to mention the possibilities of succession or something else changing the power structure, and they just kind shrug off that agreement to the one nation they don't even share borders with.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 16, 2017, 09:38:08 pm
Though honestly I thought they were suppose to be sending us cannon tech and a marriage proposal...
Post by: Criptfeind on October 16, 2017, 09:44:44 pm
We need an option to press for those first tbh.
Also I don't think people owing you a lot of money when they are more powerful then you has traditionally gone super well guys... I mean. Last time we had a big power owing us, they sorta just blew us off when it came time for them to owe up to the bargain. The Eldricans are even bigger and scarier then the Lametanias were. If they won't even pay us what they owe us now, it's clear they won't operate in good faith when it comes time for them to pay us several kings ransoms back. It's probably for the best if they get shattered because of their overreach.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 17, 2017, 01:41:11 am
Post by: melkor on October 17, 2017, 03:01:47 am
i think the Fireblood technology is worth the price.
i would however like some interest on that gold
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 17, 2017, 09:46:58 am
Shame we can't remind them about their existing obligations instead of outright telling them to fuck off, but B is the best of a terrible set of choices.
Post by: Haspen on October 17, 2017, 10:10:17 am
Gib more votes ;v
Post by: Culise on October 17, 2017, 11:00:24 am
Post by: helmacon on October 17, 2017, 11:05:27 am
I counted
5 b
4d
3c
Post by: ZBridges on October 17, 2017, 01:48:37 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 17, 2017, 01:51:49 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 17, 2017, 08:00:18 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 18, 2017, 07:46:09 am
Post by: Haspen on October 18, 2017, 07:51:08 am
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"I'm sure however, that such a powerful and wise monarch like you would be willing to negotiate?"
A) "Fine, I can loan him half the money requested." (4 Economy, 4 years repayment)
B) "Fine, I can spare half the money he wants as a gift." (2 Economy)
C) "I shall not repeat myself. Now shoo!"
Post by: Kashyyk on October 18, 2017, 07:59:24 am
Post by: Criptfeind on October 18, 2017, 08:12:12 am
But, other then that these are much more reasonable, this envoy could be at the head of a small (or even large) army of Ankurvat mercenaries by the time he comes back with this amount of cash. Honestly what did he even want all that money for previously? Was his plan to just buy out the enemy nations entirely?
Post by: crazyabe on October 18, 2017, 08:40:00 am
Post by: Iituem on October 18, 2017, 09:06:20 am
C, given the argument below. We have no reason to believe these ambassadors are even real. Give us the documents, then we'll talk about a loan.
Post by: melkor on October 18, 2017, 09:08:11 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 18, 2017, 09:24:31 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 18, 2017, 09:45:20 am
Spoiler: the post I almost posted (click to show/hide)
But then I had second thoughts.
Hear me out, people. This envoy appears to have an offer. But so did the last one: the false envoy was not an assassin but some sort of destabilizing agent. I'm seriously questioning whether any of these "Eldrican" envoys have told the truth. They offer a lot of "deals" where we bear the risk and they offer vague promises of little or no profit "when the war is concluded."
Now, last year we were well prepared and expansion was likely in the cards: so if they tricked us into marching, it was to our benefit anyway. This year they ask for money, and when we refuse the outrageous they come back with half of outrageous on the same questionable terms.
C I expect Fireblood technical papers. Prove that you can fulfill your original terms and then we will discuss further cooperation.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 18, 2017, 11:35:37 am
Post by: Culise on October 18, 2017, 11:36:50 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 18, 2017, 11:49:59 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 18, 2017, 12:12:16 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 18, 2017, 12:20:14 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 18, 2017, 01:14:01 pm
It costs then nothing to send fireblood sschematics. Where are those?
Also, what was that last time about our nobels having been apparently promised additional things?
Is that why he wanted to discuss this in private? I see no other reason to do so.
Maybe it's time that we send and envoy to the Eldrican.
Post by: Baffler on October 18, 2017, 01:59:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 18, 2017, 03:57:28 pm
1097 AD, Autumn
The harvests this year has been most bontiful! From peasants through magistrates to noblemen and clergy, everyone clamors that a grand festival should be sponsored by the crown to celebrate the agricultural wealth of the land!
A) Naw, not this year.
B) But of course! PARTY TIME!
Post by: crazyabe on October 18, 2017, 03:59:23 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 18, 2017, 04:02:38 pm
Woo. Party.
Post by: melkor on October 18, 2017, 04:29:57 pm
Bparty? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhmpuFFC2U)
Woo. Party.
Post by: Haspen on October 18, 2017, 04:44:24 pm
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People take it as a fact rather than an occassion to praise your name! Some of your courtiers even openly grumble that such waste of money should not happen again in near future.
1096 AD, Mid-Autumn
The old and cruel Donuth is dead!
The barbaric yet strong-willed despot has died peacefully in his sleep, a fate that should not befall a man of such cruelty as his. But his domain won't last long; of his fifteen children, six are now marshalling to war, including his eldest daughter. Mercenaries and enslaved thralls will die en masse in this bloody war of succession.
There are rumors and reports from travelers that Cydwyl Kingdom is moving troops to border with Donuth, either to prevent spill-outs or to seize some land for themselves. Probably the latter, really.
Your courtiers murmur that Methiant should take the piece of lawless but populated cake for itself.
A) Send the troops over the border - it's conquering time!
B) Let's negotiate with Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl first. Maybe she agrees for a fair split?
C) Nah, we will pass, lest we anger the Cydwyls.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 18, 2017, 05:06:00 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 18, 2017, 05:59:09 pm
A!
Post by: helmacon on October 18, 2017, 06:16:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 18, 2017, 06:34:14 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 18, 2017, 06:35:41 pm
That said, lets also not loose out on getting any land. We can always send troops to grab all we can if talks break down, but the chance of talking minimises risk from other groups going after lands there.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 18, 2017, 10:20:48 pm
In terms of foreign politics, Queen Auga used the vast monetary wealth to secure peace with Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl; in exchange for funds against Dahnians and Helliste, Dogethe publicly swore friendship to Methiant peoples as long as she breathes.
B Dogethe may be getting on in years but there's no good to surprise such an ally under the fog of war.
I'm worried, though, about the predictions of a long and bloody war, there. Our army isn't in the best shape, the nearest bit of Donuth is mountainous, and Lametania is probably still angry in the exact opposite direction. On the bright side those mountains may be a good place to find new mineral wealth.
Edit: Plus, it's Mid-Autumn, people. Let's negotiate now and not march the army into the mountains as winter comes on.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 19, 2017, 02:15:44 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 19, 2017, 02:28:34 am
Post by: omada on October 19, 2017, 05:31:59 am
Post by: Haspen on October 19, 2017, 04:07:35 pm
1096 AD, Late Autumn
The Duchy of Sevon has split! The rebel lands ruler recently died, and his twin sons, unable to accept others' suizerainty nor willing to risk war while Lametania still exists, decided to evenly distribute the Duchy at roughly east-west line. The two new Duchies are Aran and Llamber, named after the two brothers of course.
Few days later, the messenger you've sent to Queen Dogethe is back. He looks both worried and triumphant in the same time.
"My liege! I bring news about my negotiation with Queen Dogethe. She agreed to leave the lands south of Tven peaks to Methiant, if only our armies can take them from Donuth. Otherwise, she will send her armies to seize those territories as well."
Your courtiers murmur. It isn't the best of offers, but it is some offer after all. You decide to...
A) Send the envoy again - this time with monetary gifts and request for better deal.
B) Send a letter in which you agree to this deal while your Armies prepare to enter Donuth's realm.
C) Forget the issue and let the Cydwyls grab all of Donuth for themselves, if they can take it all of course.
Post by: helmacon on October 19, 2017, 04:31:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 19, 2017, 04:54:26 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 19, 2017, 05:17:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 19, 2017, 05:58:49 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 19, 2017, 06:03:00 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on October 19, 2017, 06:07:09 pm
Cydwyl would probably reach the rest first anyway.
Post by: Iituem on October 19, 2017, 08:17:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 19, 2017, 11:36:38 pm
The war council convenes next day and the officers ask the obvious question:
"Shall you lead us to glory and victory, King Yoe??"
A) Hell yes.
B) Heavens no.
Post by: helmacon on October 19, 2017, 11:52:29 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 20, 2017, 12:20:51 am
B Warfare is not our forte, and Queen Dogethe will be attracting most of the heat. I think the army can cope without us.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 20, 2017, 12:55:19 am
Post by: Imic on October 20, 2017, 01:00:22 am
Post by: melkor on October 20, 2017, 02:29:26 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 20, 2017, 04:59:15 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 20, 2017, 05:18:52 am
Post by: Criptfeind on October 20, 2017, 08:24:18 am
Post by: crazyabe on October 20, 2017, 08:45:40 am
B.
Post by: omada on October 20, 2017, 09:24:14 am
Plus, we don't need to be there to activate the lucky trait, and the lucky trait may be activated to other important things
Post by: Haspen on October 20, 2017, 10:24:11 am
Daughters can still be heirs if nothings left, right? We arent agnatic, are we?
After the fall of Luathbas, the local leaders noticed that it did coincide with rule of two queens in a row, and so abandoned the Luathbasian model and returned to either male-primogeniture or salic law (female's descendants excluded).
You decide to abstain from participation but give the commanders your blessing.
A week later their troops arrive in Donuth; a week later you receive first report.
Apparently, they scored a minor or major victory, depending on perspective - using element of surprise, they broke up an army of 1.300 stationed at the border, which was belonging to one of Donuth's son, Dau. Said son was slain by Methiant arrow to the face.
Next morning you receive news that the Cydwyls invaded the northern half of Donuth as well, pushing over 12.000 men into the conflict - splitting these into three armies that march toward Rainbow Lizard mountains, Tven peaks and the Donuth's fortified palace.
1096 AD, Winter
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Your Army sends a report, after getting into a fight with 2.500 men of Aza, one of Donuth's son, your soldiers had to move back a bit to regroup and resupply.
Few days later, after you're done spending hours in the library with your wife (who was too absorbed by her histories to notice your attempts at seduction), when the Treasurer and the Advisor step inside, bearing several scrolls. They don't look happy at all.
"My liege, forgive the intrusion, but the Treasurer has something to say." The Treasurer steps forward and takes off his beret.
"King Yoe! I'm sad to announce that corruption has planted firm roots into the taxation and administration of our glorious country. Me and my loyal, trusted aides has been looking into the books of accounting for last few years. While we were doing the math, we have discovered that various minor and major officials has been siphoning small amount of money earned from selling of jewels, silver ore and proxy trade of Gubtan spices. Ten governors, six military officers and almost sixty minor oficials could be charged with taking of bribes and stealing of Kingdom's money." He then presents you with the a ledger full of monetary information; these numbers are far lower than what you thought you had!
(Economy has been adjusted from 7 to 5)
"Before you become filled to brim with anger," The Treasurer continues, "Let me explain the reason behind this - it is because we develop in land and profits, but lack the people to properly check everything twice. The bureaucracy, especially in matters of coinage, need to be expanded; new offices created and more people hired."
"Do you have plans for such a new system?"
"Well yes. But the sheer amount of people working our numbers and books will require lots of annual expenses; for now we have the profitable mines and trade with Gubta but who knows what will happen in the future. My aides and I however are sure we can bring you the project written down in vellum in few months' time." The Advisor coughs.
"My liege, there's also matter of the corrupt officials. Stealing money from the Crown is a major offense, and thus these unscrupulous men should be dealt with." You think for a while about all this.
About the bureaucracy reform...
A) Yes, we will reform the bureaucracy to make sure our nation runs smoothly!
B) Naw, no need to reform, just a cleansing will do!
As for punishment of corrupt officials...
A) -
B) Tax them heavily! Money stolen will become money recovered!
C) Fire them and find competent replacements, should be enough.
D) Execute the most corrupt ones and deal major punishments to others to make sure nobody tries this again!
//No split votes pls.
//EDIT: Fixed some errors v;
Post by: crazyabe on October 20, 2017, 10:27:06 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 20, 2017, 10:34:44 am
A, D. Stealing from the crown is treason and treason gets what treason deserves.
Post by: helmacon on October 20, 2017, 10:39:26 am
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Post by: Haspen on October 20, 2017, 10:41:44 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 20, 2017, 10:49:13 am
Post by: Iituem on October 20, 2017, 10:50:57 am
Post by: helmacon on October 20, 2017, 10:56:15 am
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Post by: Criptfeind on October 20, 2017, 10:59:31 am
An efficient bureaucracy is vital to running a large state, and since we've more then doubled in size in the last few years, we're gunna need to ratchet up the bureaucracy.
Post by: melkor on October 20, 2017, 11:57:55 am
Post by: Baffler on October 20, 2017, 01:29:28 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 20, 2017, 01:32:50 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 20, 2017, 02:28:08 pm
No one expects the Spanish
Post by: mightymushroom on October 20, 2017, 03:26:42 pm
*shrug* I want to swim in my money vault again.
Post by: omada on October 21, 2017, 10:10:40 am
Post by: Haspen on October 21, 2017, 10:58:26 am
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You agree to bureaucratic reforms. Meanwhile, an order is sent to arrest and execute the most corrupt officials, while others shall be imprisoned or fined heavily.
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It is a total 'surprise' for the criminal scum! Only few escape arrest and punishment, and no noble nor military man is able to mount any resistance to your purge. In the end, 33 men and women are executed, over 40 imprisoned, and 10 have their wealth taken away.
1097 AD, Midwinter
With slight delay due to the snowstorms, gemstones arrive at your treasury while silver is sent east.
Reports of victory come from land of Donuth; another of the warlord's son has been slain and his forces scattered. Elsewhere, a raider group of Methiant horsemen met and shared information with some Cydwyl soldiers; apparently they're smashing Donuth's family to pieces in numerous skirmishes. If your commanders did the tally right, only one of Donuth's children has so far eluded combat and is still living - Gaam, third eldest of late Donuth's sons.
Another report comes from the newly assigned overseers of the newewst territories; people flock to the banner of Methiant, easily lured with promises of lesser taxation and proper system of laws.
1097 AD, Late Winter
Due to continuous snowing and lengthy blizzards in the north, both yours and Cydwyl armies had to camp away for several weeks. Not that the Donuth loyalists did a lot during that time, either.
1097 AD, End of the Year
As you watch the snowstorm continue outside, a knock on the door grabs your attention. Here comes the Advisor, with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 7
Population: 5
Economy: 6
Army: 3
"Most blessed leader, our Army is at war in the north yet they're numbers aren't very impressive. Shall we send money to the Cloisters of Alldivines in exchange for troops, if they have any at ready?" You decide to...
A) Get some monk-mercenaries recruited.
B) Keep the money in the Treasury for now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 21, 2017, 11:02:29 am
Post by: Baffler on October 21, 2017, 11:03:45 am
Post by: Criptfeind on October 21, 2017, 11:07:43 am
Post by: crazyabe on October 21, 2017, 11:45:45 am
Post by: Iituem on October 21, 2017, 12:05:55 pm
Post by: melkor on October 21, 2017, 12:09:56 pm
Post by: omada on October 21, 2017, 12:10:52 pm
Radio the Alldivines!
Shhh, our space bombardment should only be used against the raven king stealer of eggs our family arch-enemy
A best get some numbers
Post by: Aseaheru on October 21, 2017, 01:50:40 pm
Post by: Imic on October 21, 2017, 02:12:15 pm
A. Rich and weak isn't a very good combination.+1
Post by: Haspen on October 21, 2017, 04:22:55 pm
1098 AD, Spring
Your Army has begun moving again in the Donuth lands as the weather weakened and snows melted somewhat. There's not much to do, though, as only few raider parties are found. Cydwyl soldiers met in the ravaged land report that their main forces are now siegeing the capital city, still held by few hundred of Donuth loyalists.
A new caravan of spices arrives!
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People buy the roots and flowers and powders readily, earning Treasury a neat profit.
Few days later, your wife gives birth to her first child! Your courtiers are thrilled to learn that its a girl! Segeda names her 'Gea', after her mother, and your courtiers host a really enthusiastic feast to celebrate this most joyous of moments. You feel they're a bit sarcastic.
The morning after the feast, Battlebrother Gnarl arrives at your court.
"Greetings, King Yoe! We have heard your call for our services, and we heed it with great pleasure, but our Cloistermasters believe that it is time for closer ties to develop between our faithful and your military."
"What are you suggesting?"
"That Alldivine faith becomes the national religion of Methiant. Convert along with your court, and we shall move in to your castles and keeps, spreading our knowledge of matters both military and mystical amongst your faithful subjects."
SLAM! Goes the door as the Marshal jumps in, his cape fluttering behind him.
"My liege! Foreign philosophies should remain apart from our own beliefs. Ought we upset the soldiers by forcing them to abandon their personal Pantheonist or Singularist creeds and replace them with teachings they might not wish to follow? Nay I say!"
A) "The Marshal speaks right. We ought to keep our relationship with the Cloisters on the level of purchasing their mercenary services."
B) "It's about time we unite together in body in soul! Bring the philosophers and veterans and commandants, we shall call them brothers in arms and faith!"
C) "A mere mention of such a proposal turns my stomach, Battlebrother Gnarl! Begone, as I shall not need Alldivine warrior-priests after all.
Post by: helmacon on October 21, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 21, 2017, 04:38:31 pm
Isn't the whole thing with the all divines that All the faiths are legitimately divine?
Ye but so far they had no government actually replacing their traditional faith with them. They're just like, self-caring, philosophy-founded, mercenary guilds for poor and homeless at the moment ;v
Post by: helmacon on October 21, 2017, 04:46:58 pm
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A notion started by a ex-soldier turned philosopher, the Alldivines saw all various deities of various pantheons as 'concepts' that were divine and worthy of praise no matter their origin,
I don't see how this would create friction. Tolerance is literally a core concept of the faith.
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Post by: Iituem on October 21, 2017, 05:06:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 21, 2017, 05:21:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 21, 2017, 06:17:40 pm
QuoteA notion started by a ex-soldier turned philosopher, the Alldivines saw all various deities of various pantheons as 'concepts' that were divine and worthy of praise no matter their origin,
I don't see how this would create friction. Tolerance is literally a core concept of the faith.
And the risk is less the Alldivines leading a purge than the common people distrusting new, "foreign" ideas, I think.
I mean, we've made no progress at all on changing the succession laws . . .
Hey, what's the Alldivine policy toward queens?
Post by: helmacon on October 21, 2017, 06:58:27 pm
Post by: omada on October 21, 2017, 08:37:36 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 21, 2017, 09:41:17 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 21, 2017, 10:31:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 22, 2017, 01:16:14 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 22, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
Post by: melkor on October 22, 2017, 05:32:45 pm
BTW haspen i am thinking about making one of those fantasy maps of this game but the last map you made a lot of country's borders aren't, well bordering other border's.
is it meant for the borders to not touch or should they. Also does the Hellsite kingdom own the coast line it border's or has it decided to not colonize that yet?
Post by: ZBridges on October 22, 2017, 10:47:23 pm
Post by: Culise on October 22, 2017, 11:07:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 23, 2017, 11:36:29 am
Post by: Puppyguard on October 23, 2017, 12:19:50 pm
Post by: birdy51 on October 23, 2017, 12:48:52 pm
Also, if the missus fails to produce a male heir, I suggest we just adopt a homeless waif and be done with it. The less educated, the better.
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2017, 01:06:08 pm
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Oh well, few more votes won't hurt ;v
Post by: Iituem on October 23, 2017, 01:23:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2017, 01:38:15 pm
You thank the Battlebrother for this offer but announce that your land is not ready to embrace such a religious unity. The Alldivine envoy doesn't take this in a bad way and the contract for Cloister-made mercenaries is made between you two.
1098 AD, Mid-Spring
You receive a report from the Army; the local resitance in Donuth has been squashed, and the loyalists fled into mountains or surrendered. The Army commanders therefore wish to conclude the campaign as successful.
A) Sure thing, we've got what we wanted.
B) Let's try and get some land north of the Peaks, maybe?
Post by: Kashyyk on October 23, 2017, 01:41:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 23, 2017, 01:45:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 23, 2017, 01:46:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2017, 02:05:30 pm
1098 AD, Summer
Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl has installed one of Donuth's bastards as new King of Donuth, and her vassal. The new 'Kingdom' however is smaller than the original Domain; some northlands were incorporated into Cydwyl and you of course took the southlands. King Sago of Donuth also had to accept Cydwyllian system of administration, basically making the previous Donuth nothing but a name now.
1098 AD, Midsummer
During one of the hotter weeks of the whole decade, your courtiers do not stop working; the Advisor and the Treasurer arrive with numerous scrolls in their hands.
"Here are our planned reforms of bureaucracy, sire." The Advisor spreads the scrolls on your desk.
"With improved system of taxation and better means of accounting, we should be able to monitor our wealth more closely and with greater security. Also, this could potentially increase our profits from taxation as less coin will be lost on the way between our subjects and our Treasury. Plus, more magistrates working in our nation means smoother governance. Splendid, is it not?" The Treasurer places a small scroll in front of you.
"All we need to begin the reforms is your signature, King Yoe. We estimate that it should take up to five, ten years before our reforms will be fully implemented." You decide to...
A) Sign the papers and let the reforms begin!
B) Change your mind and shoot down the reforms.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 23, 2017, 02:06:45 pm
Tax reform is truly the stuff that dreams are made of.
Post by: Prophet on October 23, 2017, 02:17:55 pm
I do believe we also took administrative reforms back during Lauthbas? Hmm. Have ever Reformed the army as Methiant? I find myself forgetting many recent details after the break I took.
Post by: Tiruin on October 23, 2017, 02:18:38 pm
AA for Awesome
Tax reform is truly the stuff that dreams are made of.
BEcause reforms help in the best of intents and contexts. And we have good stats to show for supporting this overall.
Hopefully corruption won't take root though.
APeople kept sending the King to death via monsters and then Luathbas went boom. :P
I do believe we also took administrative reforms back during Lauthbas? Hmm. Have ever Reformed the army as Methiant? I find myself forgetting many recent details after the break I took.
Post by: Iituem on October 23, 2017, 02:34:17 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 23, 2017, 02:38:28 pm
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I do believe we also took administrative reforms back during Lauthbas? Hmm. Have ever Reformed the army as Methiant? I find myself forgetting many recent details after the break I took.
I don't think we've reformed the Methiant army the same way we did in a previous game, but the alldivines battle brothers and our investments into education for our population are having a similar effect, afaik, most of the civilians are at least a little bit combat trained, and we have a steady flow of troops coming in.
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2017, 03:00:30 pm
1098 AD, Winter
The last five months were relatively peaceful; maybe it's for the best, considering the recent warfare. Half a year of peace and stability won't hurt anybody.
Oh, and the gemstones get to your Treasury while silver is once again sent to Ceodwell.
1098 AD, End of the Year
Should you begin to worry? No disasters, no monsters, no wars for another quarter of the year. Even the weather, compared to last year, is pleasant; there's little snow, winds are calm and temperature decent (for a winter, of course).
Anyways, here is the Advisor with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands!
Happiness: 7
Population: 6
Economy: 7
Army: 4
Seems censuses for Felonsein and Donuth has earned you a notch in the rating of Methiant subjects. Otherwise, all is good.
1099 AD, Spring
The spice caravan is here!
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This time people are more enthusiastic about the spices! Their spirits are lifted as the cinnamon cakes once again appear on their kitchen tables. Of course, your Treasury gets a nice cut from selling the spices to your subjects.
1099 AD, Mid-Spring
The Court sings praises to all the gods of fertility they can name! Your second wife, Segeda, has given birth to a boy! She named him 'Cyl', but he might as well become Yoe III once he replaces you as King of Methiant. The dynastic continuity has been secured!
Several days later you receive a visit from an Eldrican envoy.
"Greetings, King Yoe of Methiant! I'm here to announce that the war in the west has finally come to an end. The Kiwis has been destroyed, the Koi made our vassals. This would not happen if you wouldn't take off the fearsome Felonsines out of the equation, for which King Elran III praises you. Despite your unwillingness to send money to further our goals, King Elran believes you should be rewarded. Therefore, he is ready to send you the designs on the Fireblood siege machines, along with engineers and alchemists who know how to make more of the substance. He also wishes to discuss the matter of marriage between his daughter, Esta, with any of your sons." You explain that you only few weeks ago gained a son and an heir.
"Ah, I see. Still, King Elran would like to discuss it, even if the marriage won't happen for decades. For this, he is asking whether you would be willing to welcome him in your Palace around Autumn this year?" This request makes your courtiers abuzz; rarely heads of state risk a long journey through foreign lands just to discuss matter, relying instead on emissaries. King Elran must really trust you and your realm if he wishes to meet you in person.
You ponder this extremely delicate yet important decision, and decide to...
A) Agree to have King Elran III of Eldrican visit your humble palace.
B) Reject the offer, citing high risks of such a meeting.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 23, 2017, 03:01:53 pm
Although we'd better beef the hell up out of our security. No more assassins and zombies and stuff guys. For real this time!
Post by: crazyabe on October 23, 2017, 03:15:49 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 23, 2017, 03:17:48 pm
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Once the envoy leaves, the palace staff begins preparations; corridors are being renovated, guest chambers refreshed, gardens peeled of weeds. Your palace, a mere border keep few ceturies in the past, will be now hosting a king of grandiose nation in the west.
1099 AD, Summer
The Spymaster bumps into you in the corridors of the palace during one of the nights.
"Greetings, sire. I bring urgent news about the western parts of the Kingdom."
"What is it?"
"The rumors spread fast and the more uncooperative and influential of Felonsines might be try to stir trouble as King Elran passes through the recently conquered lands. It would be prudent to take some precautions, my liege."
A) "Crack down on the conspiring scum! Send out agents to get rid of the unwanted elements; and have the Army stationed in key places to maintain order."
B) "Have your agents remove some of the most important 'conspirators', and keep an eye on the rest of their friends."
C) "Just monitor the situation for now. I'm sure my new subjects won't actually try anything stupid."
Post by: Prophet on October 23, 2017, 03:52:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 23, 2017, 03:55:46 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 23, 2017, 03:56:09 pm
Dealing with the influential requires tact. If we use a hammer instead of a screwdriver for a screw, we end up with a lot more work then we needed to do, and risk ruining the project.
Post by: crazyabe on October 23, 2017, 04:00:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 23, 2017, 04:03:51 pm
we have happiness to spare.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 23, 2017, 04:09:48 pm
Given my oft-voiced suspicions you might think I'd let them try something and disavow all knowledge.
But I also don't really want to antagonize such a big country without being certain to avoid retaliation.
So middle of the road response is B.
Spoiler: I'm either a loony or onto something or maybe both (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: counter evidence (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZBridges on October 23, 2017, 05:26:37 pm
Post by: omada on October 23, 2017, 06:28:15 pm
Mighty mushroom, you are right, they just beaten a large land of the empire,that don't look weak, I haven't noticed that, we need to have caution, always.
Hope he still want's to just marry the heir, or if he tries to ask something more ask for our second daughter, if he ask for the first we will have a bit of problems because of the ceodwells and we will have to decline or ask for something more.
We can use the chance of the visit to make him taste the spices, maybe we can sell part of it to him for a proxy and gain even more money,
since we will probably spend money buying fireblood material from him...( although we can sell too a bit of it for a profit)
The map made me notice a thing, anything that goes beyond eldrican or gutba will probably have to pass through our lands (pass through two huge nations in war isn't very nice(the empire the republic), same for the saltsands and the empire/republic, (unless they really want to make a detour between mountains), it's a very nice location for commerce.
(And i am trying to figure out right now what might have happened with the elven cloaks, all in the hands of one noble? Scattered among heroes and attics of peasants?, hands of super-criminals? teared and burned? There were 200 of them.)
Post by: Kashyyk on October 23, 2017, 06:30:04 pm
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Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2017, 11:39:49 pm
1099 AD, Midsummer
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There must've been an informant! Otherwise this would've gone better.
While few men and women were killed, the rest of influential Felonsines simply disappeared on their own accord. Some of Spymaster's agents were killed, too. The spies and soldiers will keep looking for them but who knows what kind of plots the Felonsines might be brewing now, outside your reach?
1099 AD, Autumn
You receive a letter from King Elran III; he apologizes as his visit needs to be postponsed a month or two, as crop failure has afflicted his vast kingdom and he has to deal with this emergency first.
Your wife doesn't see you as often after the birth of Cyl. She spends more and more time in the library you sponsored her and she doesn't visit your bed as much.
And now this rumor has surfaced that she is seeing some youngster(s?) when nobody's looking. May it be she is cheating on you, for whatever reason?
A) Time to publicly call her out for this and have her confess! CONFESS!!
B) Gotta talk to her and mention consequences if she doesn't explain herself.
C) Let's bribe one of her maids to spy on her and bring us information.
D) Nonsense, my wife's loyal to me! There's no need to give in to such ugly rumors.
E) Maybe she needs gifts? She's got a library, how about a nice, ancient, Luathbasian dress?
Post by: helmacon on October 23, 2017, 11:43:10 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2017, 12:51:28 am
Post by: Imic on October 24, 2017, 02:37:54 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 02:44:59 am
Eh. Let's go with B, with the consequence being that we'd be a little miffed.
Post by: ZBridges on October 24, 2017, 02:55:18 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 24, 2017, 04:08:55 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 24, 2017, 05:04:44 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 24, 2017, 07:38:38 am
Maybe she's just taking up a private teaching job. At any rate, she did her duty, now we ought to do ours.
Post by: crazyabe on October 24, 2017, 08:13:12 am
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Post by: Haspen on October 24, 2017, 09:26:04 am
You decide to ignore the rumors, as they're obviously lies.
Ten days later you receive an urgent report from the westlands; King Elran III with his courtiers and two hundred soldiers of guard has entered Methiant through Ankurvat, and is slowly traveling toward your capital.
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The subsequent reports mention no incidents except one where an old lady threw a rotten apple at Elran's carriage (she missed). The lady in question was interrogated, flogged and then tossed into dungeon.
1099 AD, Mid-Autumn
With great pomp and much ruckus, King Elran III's entourage enters the capital city. Methiantese minstrels play for the arriving dignitaries while your maids prepare the guest rooms. The westerners are clad in yellows, greens, greys and blacks, which is slightly contrasts to blues, reds, purples and greens of your homeland.
A great feast is thrown in the palace halls; all sixty of Elran's courtiers are fed with delicious foods and watered with strong wines and ales. King Elran III personally toasts your leadership and governance, and hopes that there will be much to gain from closer relationship between Eldrican and Methiant.
Afterwards, your courtiers are quick to establish some ties with foreign nobles and exchange rumors and information.
For example, the Eldricans are highly militant peoples. While they were engaged in the war with Kiwis and Kois in their north and east, they were also skirmishing with Republic of Calvendocia and the State of Prawlant, both maritime powers which keep Eldricans from reaching open waters.
You also hear about the apparently very ancient roots of Eldrican Kingdom, which are derived from a city-state of Era, apparently dating to the times when your own peoples were ruled by chieftains and warlords of proto-Luathbas.
The nations of Calvendocia and Prawlant are, according to what your courtiers learned, both maritime, medium-sized nations that enjoy lots of wealth thanks to trade and hilly terrain abundant in various ores. The Calvendocians engage in slave trade (a grave offense to people in your region), and have several overseas colonies, where they exchange fruits and metals for gemstones and furs that are abundant in the lands of some people called 'Lefkandi'. The Prawlants are an inclusive republican state, where humans and dwarves enjoy nearly equal status; a small Elven minority also dwells there, mostly those who abandoned the old ways and moved out of the great Forest of Tisilenteliya.
A little bit of information has been shed on the resurgence of Eldrican and their ties to the Cult of Damed; apparently the first Eldrican king was a native who joined Damdamian Republic as a soldier, gaining fame and wealth, then retired to his homeland, and then took arms against the horse nomads that plagued the lands in the west in the previous centuries, overthrowing them and shattering their proud rule thanks to heavy donations from former Damdamian comrades and friendly Senators.
Your scribes managed to gain lots of useful information about the distant west. They now know the location of Calvendocia, some minor domains and few dwarven halls, and that the western lands are mostly grasslands and riverplains with rarely a mountainous region. You can expect that the Map will be greatly expanded in the coming years.
Finally, the afternoon gives to the evening, and the feasting and celebrating descends into heavy drinking and bold men wooing feisty women (and vice versa). What you did not expect was to see King Elran III, a man slightly older than you, make some flirtatious overtones towards your wife! While no man is free from temptation after consuming lots of alcohol and considering your wife's natural beauty, this would be a slight on your reputation if it wasn't for your wife's valiant and successful attempts at shooing Elran away.
Still, Segeda is yours, not Elran's, wife. You therefore decide to...
A) Grab something heavy and smack the foreign casanova over the head so that he learns his place!
B) Using big words explain to Elran that your wife is off-limits, thank you very much.
C) Keep it to yourself, for now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 09:29:46 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2017, 09:40:48 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 24, 2017, 09:42:22 am
Segeda has been a champ at sticking up for herself. We're proud of her, if sometimes frustrated.
(Or at worst she is always far more discreet. Either is okay.)
But do keep this in the back pocket for
Post by: crazyabe on October 24, 2017, 09:49:40 am
Post by: helmacon on October 24, 2017, 10:10:00 am
Of course.
Post by: Baffler on October 24, 2017, 10:19:46 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on October 24, 2017, 10:58:39 am
I realized I was looking at the wrong analysis. It's not about diplomacy, it's about Segeda. She is a woman who wants to feel pursued: she was 'grateful' for the library but what have we done lately? Nothing, and now she's cold again. The key phrase is, "Using big words," which could be a disaster (bad roll) in our drunken state. But who does it really impress? Hint: not Elran.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 12:00:01 pm
I realized I was looking at the wrong analysis. It's not about diplomacy, it's about Segeda. She is a woman who wants to feel pursued: she was 'grateful' for the library but what have we done lately? Nothing, and now she's cold again. The key phrase is, "Using big words," which could be a disaster (bad roll) in our drunken state. But who does it really impress? Hint: not Elran.
I'm crossing my fingers that she's actually only into women so that we can be the greatest and most supportive Beard-King the continent has ever known.
Post by: Haspen on October 24, 2017, 12:55:50 pm
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An explanation alter, King Elran spends a moment thinking it over, and then leans back to your, apologizing for his behaviour. It's just that your wife is so damn sexy that he couldn't resist her superior charm. While he doesn't seem to be exceptionally sincere, he does not flirt with Segeda again during the feast.
The next morning, the hangover reigns supreme, so you start negotiations with King Elran in the afternoon. He either keeps confidence to royal feasts or has been humbled, as this time he looks much more reserved.
"The engineers and alchemists that came with me shall stay with you, of course, per prior agreement. They will teach your men how to create Fireblood machines just like those I used to shatter Kiwi's strongholds across their land." You nod, as it is what you wanted. He doesn't mention Felonsine territories, as their ownership today is pretty clear.
"Now, about the marriage of our kids. Your son, Cyl, I reckon is his name, has just been born? Well, my little Esta is almost five by now, but it doesn't seem like my queen wishes for more children at the moment. Shall we agree to the bethrothal of Esta to Cyl, so that our dynasties might grow closer to each other in the future, hmm?"
A) "Sure, of course."
B) "No, thank you."
Post by: Criptfeind on October 24, 2017, 12:57:25 pm
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You two spend a little bit discussing various matters. At one moment, you two mention the Fireblood, and the lack of resources in Methiant to properly pursue these glorious explosive arms. King Elran also lets slip that his country isn't particularily rich in precious metals and gemstones. One thing leads to another and...
"I see. Let me propose a fair trade then; the various gemstones mined by your people for the Fireblood ingredients mined by my subjects."
A) "Agreed!"
B) "Naaah."
Post by: crazyabe on October 24, 2017, 03:06:21 pm
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The discussions then slip into less important matters, and soon it shows that neither of you have anything else to discuss. Therefore, King Elran is given spacious quarters and personal servants for a week's stay.
A week later, King Elran III leaves your palace and begins journey back home, with a honor guard of a fifty most loyal and skilled of your castle guards. You later learn that he returned home without incident.
1099 AD, Winter
You learn of a great war spurring in the east; the Shahshan and the Kashite has allied against the oppressive and increasingly unstable Gubta Empire which ruled the southeastern plains for centuries. If rumours from Ceodwellian travelers are to be trusted, the two minor states already obtained some victories, mostly due to element of surprise.
As for Kingdom of Ceodwell itself, they wisely opted to not get involved in the conflict, as the current Gubta dynasty has a reputation of harshly punishing those who wrong them.
Silver and gemstones arrive at your palace, only to be sent east and west, respectively.
1099 AD, Midwinter
The blizzards and snowstorms around the region has been pretty harsh, cutting off villages and severely limiting travelers - except for Methiant, which was surely protected by the Rainbow Scepter, its green shine reported by the vault's guards once more.
1099 AD, End of the Year
This eventful year comes to a conclusion; and here comes the Advisor. Per usual, he is carrying Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 8
Army: 4
"It's a pleasure to bring the Scrolls with such high marks on them, my liege! Our people are plenty and happy, and our Treasury filled with riches. Shall we spend them on something special, something that would reflect our grandiose wealth?"
A) "Naaaah." Leisurely nap on your mountain of riches.
B) Sponsor construction of grand monument commemorating our recent military conquests.
C) Renovate the various minor keeps and manors across our expanded country to appease both garrison commanders and local nobility.
D) Contact the dwarves with the intent of commissioning their runemasters for creation of an artifact.
E) Expand, beautify and fortify your palace to reflect your power and reputation as a leader.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 04:26:12 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 24, 2017, 04:36:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 24, 2017, 04:40:21 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 24, 2017, 04:41:17 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 24, 2017, 04:42:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 04:42:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 24, 2017, 05:11:45 pm
Yea, none of these actually do that much.
Post by: birdy51 on October 24, 2017, 05:36:43 pm
Money is the sweetest of pillows.
Edit: Whoops. Meant to say A.
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 24, 2017, 05:56:28 pm
Post by: omada on October 24, 2017, 06:48:47 pm
B) Waste money?
C) Military bonus? Bonus with the nobles?
D) Shiny artifacts, expensive but usually usefull, sometimes too specific
E) Reinforce the capital in case we get screwed really hard in a war (but usually this means that we are already getting fucked one way or another)
I am between A and C (although YOE the first did something like this in 1084 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.975) and i haven't noticed the benefits)
err, can i suggest for a
F? hire dwarves do a wide search through methiantese lands and it's many mountains for special minerals?
We need to get more ways of income, we still haven't got buyers/renters of fireblood business and right now and we will just stockpile a bonus military. If this works, we will have so many influx of money to not even need to offer our fireblood, and we might begin to spend on the military and artifacts a lot.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 24, 2017, 07:36:43 pm
C probably wouldn't be bad either, I'm just thinking we haven't gotten any new artifact with this king.
And if Councilor Omada takes one of the dwarfs aside and mentions a reward for good prospecting tips, that's cool. 8)
Post by: crazyabe on October 24, 2017, 08:02:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 24, 2017, 08:12:43 pm
Post by: omada on October 24, 2017, 08:32:39 pm
D
C probably wouldn't be bad either, I'm just thinking we haven't gotten any new artifact with this king.
And if Councilor Omada takes one of the dwarfs aside and mentions a reward for good prospecting tips, that's cool. 8)
Hmmm... D from D we can always go back to A if they don't offer anything nice enough
Post by: Aseaheru on October 24, 2017, 11:07:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2017, 11:24:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 24, 2017, 11:35:00 pm
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You decide to just hoard the money this time.
1100 AD, Spring
Per usual, caravan of spices is here!
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People are ecstatic to get their hands on their beloved spices. Treasury gets some profits, of course.
1100 AD, Summer
A noble uprising is underway in the far west!
Some Felonsine nobles, dodging your agents, have managed to get about two thousand soldiers, most of them horsemen, under their banners. They are led by Ewin Belgarech, who proclaims himself 'The New King of Felonsein' and aims to restore the country from your imperialist, oppressive hands.
The Felonsine peasants themselves are unsure about this. Your donations to their lands last time surely mellowed them out. Your courtiers still believe that you ought to crush the rebellion before it gains momentum, or worse, gains the support of Felonsein populace.
You decide to...
A) Do nothing for now.
B) Send the Army to crush the rebels!
C) Send a letter to him, offering negotiations.
Post by: ZBridges on October 24, 2017, 11:37:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 24, 2017, 11:38:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2017, 11:38:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 24, 2017, 11:41:07 pm
"MY LIEGE!" The Marshal booms in the way only The Marshal can. "You haven't led us to glory lately! Wouldn't it be a prime opportunity to do so!?" You decide to...
A) Stay home once more.
B) PERSONALLY OVERSEE THE DESTRUCTION OF YOUR ENEMIES!
Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2017, 11:46:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 24, 2017, 11:48:22 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 25, 2017, 12:00:08 am
Post by: helmacon on October 25, 2017, 12:54:41 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 25, 2017, 04:21:58 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 25, 2017, 05:15:09 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 25, 2017, 05:16:40 am
Besides, we now have a heir, so that works fine.
Well, we have a baby thus far rather than an heir. Then again we became king as an infant and look how we turned out, so more than likely things will be all right.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 25, 2017, 06:51:41 am
Post by: crazyabe on October 25, 2017, 08:05:29 am
Post by: Imic on October 25, 2017, 08:46:07 am
I wish we has fortified the palace, I'm actually scared that we're going to have an invasion here soon ish, since everyone around us is getting pretty fiesty as of now...
Post by: Haspen on October 25, 2017, 09:30:04 am
Less than a week later, your Army, numbering almost three thousand, meets with the gathering of mercenaries, hired thugs and few traitorous soldiers who where on their way to Methiant proper, pillaging and terrorizing the peasantry as they go. After your forces are deployed to match the enemy, the battle is joined!
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The Felonsines attack with utmost ferocity! Your left flank is smashed apart as the horsemen mercenaries just plow right into it, showing no fear of the wall of spears, which caused the otherwise competent spearmen to flee away in fear!
Some horsemen then rode toward the center - and there he is! A man in dark green cloak! You do not know if it's Ewin Belgarech or one of his co-conspirators, but it sure must be someone important!
He charges at you with his sword high!
A) Chaaaarrrrggeeee!!!
B) Run awaaaay!!!
Post by: Kashyyk on October 25, 2017, 09:35:43 am
A We can't exactly run away now we're here. So let's hope we're lucky enough for our bodyguards to mob the bloke before he reaches us.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 25, 2017, 09:37:15 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 25, 2017, 09:43:29 am
Also, since we have lucky, lets get lucky.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 25, 2017, 10:01:53 am
Retreating in front of mercenary horsemen is rarely a sound tactic, though one may pause upon seeing a red exclamation point.
Hold the center, Luck don't fail us now . . . A Tell Segeda we love her hips!
Post by: Iituem on October 25, 2017, 10:10:46 am
Post by: Haspen on October 25, 2017, 12:58:18 pm
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This ends in both of you falling to the ground. While the bodyguards do manage to help you stand up, the Felonsine noble stays on the ground, blood pouring from the face wound you inflicted upon him. This could've very well be the other way around, you know!
You soon learn that he was indeed someone important.
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The rebels do not fight as well and the y are beaten back from your flank, but only slightly. The battle continues as you and your commanders bark orders to keep the soldiers fighting!
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The haphazard combination of troops amongst Felonsines, loss of a commander and loyalty of your soldiers tip the outcome of the battle in your favor. Soon, the mercenaries and other less trusted folk flee en masse, leaving their noble overlords behind to be destroyed.
By the next morning, you have twenty captives; your agents, after checking the bodies and questioning the captured nobles estimate that this battle helped get rid of 3/4ths of the nobles unaccounted for during last year's 'purge' before King Elran's arrival. Good riddance.
A week later, after your soldiers hunt down some more nobles and weed out lesser conspirators hiding in the area, the rebellion is dead. You return home, victorious.
1100 AD, Midsummer
Delivery of Fireblood components arrives from the west! As the Advisor delivers you this report, he also mentions that the resources are already being transferred into the hands of your alchemists and metallurgists, guided by the wise scholars of King Elran.
Speaking of which, the head of the Methiant's alchemists approaches you few days later.
"My liege, there's a dilemma going amongst me fellow alchemists. We have broad knowledge of how to manufacture Blackhearts, but the scholars from the west have designs for more elaborate machines which also use a different material composition for Fireblood and thus can acquire greater range and strength of the projectile; they call them Thundercats."
"So what's the dilemma because I do not really follow?" The alchemist smiles.
"It's that we can have some Blackhearts assembled and ready for war in few weeks' time, but making those Thundermares, that will take months of time till we learn how to do it skillfully... and we will need a larger assembly hall, some laboratories, and of course a specialized furnace..." A torch lits up above your head.
"You want money." The old alchemist smiles sheepishly and nods.
A) "Fine, you shall have the money. Blackhearts are so last century anyways - start making those Thundercats!"
B) "We don't need new designs, we need fire and roar to scare our enemies. Just forge me some Blackhearts, at once!"
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 25, 2017, 01:10:20 pm
A
Post by: Kashyyk on October 25, 2017, 01:42:02 pm
Post by: omada on October 25, 2017, 02:02:46 pm
It will be funny to rent/sell our blackhearts and only employing thundercats in battle, we will do like the Felonsine did to us, they offered us blackheart and when we turned their weapons against them they used the whitehearts against our troops.
Post by: crazyabe on October 25, 2017, 02:06:21 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 25, 2017, 02:12:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 25, 2017, 02:31:58 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 25, 2017, 02:37:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 25, 2017, 03:02:44 pm
We need to start investing in our military in as many ways as possible.
Post by: birdy51 on October 25, 2017, 03:27:49 pm
A modern military is an effective one.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 25, 2017, 04:04:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 25, 2017, 04:28:10 pm
1100 AD, Late Summer
You get news from the east; the Shanshans and the Kashites are making serious inroads into Gubta at the moment.
A week later, your beloved wife gives birth to another boy! She names him 'Aethled', after her grandfather from mother's side.
1100 AD, Winter
Three rather uneventful months pass.
You receive silver and gemstones; silver goes east, gemstones go west. Usual thing.
Mere two weeks later the silver caravan returns, its leaders complaining!
"My liege, the Ceodwells seized our silver and told us to return home empty-handed!" This is both a theft and grave insult, however it also might be a hint that Ceodwells are no longer the friends of Gubta. After a brief council with your courtiers, you decide to...
A) Send an angry letter to King Ceodwell, demanding right of passage for your merchants, or else!
B) Tell the merchants to stay quiet as you compensate their losses with the royal coinage.
C) Send a letter of inquiry to the Ceodwells, asking them to explain themselves.
D) Order the Army to avenge this slight upon your honor by assaulting some border villages!!
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 25, 2017, 04:36:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 25, 2017, 04:38:53 pm
Who was that silver supposed to be going to again?
Post by: Criptfeind on October 25, 2017, 04:40:53 pm
I guess we should ask our uncle what's up, some leniency can be made for family I guess.
Post by: Iituem on October 25, 2017, 04:59:11 pm
Post by: omada on October 25, 2017, 05:52:01 pm
C
Who was that silver supposed to be going to again?
To Gutba for the spices.
C
Post by: Prophet on October 25, 2017, 06:17:47 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 25, 2017, 06:27:17 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 25, 2017, 06:28:42 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 25, 2017, 10:02:12 pm
I can understand turning our merchants back, turning them back without our silver? Highway robbery.
C
Post by: mightymushroom on October 25, 2017, 10:18:16 pm
C
This is very troubling, but not cause for a rash decision regarding our nearest family and oldest allies.
Post by: birdy51 on October 26, 2017, 05:34:03 am
Post by: Haspen on October 26, 2017, 08:36:32 am
1100 AD, Midwinter
You get a reply from Prince Celer, one of Ceodwell X's nephews and Treasurer of the Kingdom of Ceodwell: he explains that the silver has been seized because your merchants declined to pay the usual tax for travelling through Kingdom of Ceodwell for last three years.
You call up the merchants in question and they deny fervently that they declined to pay - in fact, they did so even after Prince Celer, has raised the tax several times in recent years. Hmmm.
A) Clearly, the merchants are lying! Have them flogged for endangering good relations with Ceodwells!
B) Clearly, Prince Celer is lying! Time to write a letter in which you demand return of the stolen ore.
C) Tell the Merchants to just suck it up and pay Prince Celer that damned tax.
Post by: crazyabe on October 26, 2017, 09:04:34 am
Meh, B.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 26, 2017, 09:10:13 am
For that matter, the merchants and the prince should both have records on that sorta thing.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 26, 2017, 10:12:49 am
C But send the money with a new, trusted agent. Then whether Celer releases the impounded ore or not will reveal who is lying; otherwise both sides can stick to their story.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 26, 2017, 11:20:31 am
B. Our people before foreigners.
Post by: vastaghen12 on October 26, 2017, 12:14:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 26, 2017, 12:21:54 pm
Post by: birdy51 on October 26, 2017, 12:28:35 pm
We don't mess around with wealth.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 26, 2017, 01:45:50 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 26, 2017, 01:55:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 26, 2017, 02:07:52 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 26, 2017, 02:16:54 pm
Hmm. Not really sure what to think. I want to give Ceodwell the benefit of the doubt Because they've been pretty friendly. On the other hand they should have contacted us instead of taking our stuff. If there is one way to sour relations between countries it's to steal their wealth.
Thing is, taking the word of these merchants over that of the Ceodwellian treasurer in the absence of any actual evidence is nonsensical. Evading taxes does sound like a thing that merchants might get up to and accusing a member of another royal family of boldfacedly lying to us without good evidence is just plain stupid. We're actually on friendly terms with Ceodwell presently and they have no obvious reason to fuck us on this, and they can't exactly do it more than once without giving the game away even if that's exactly what they're doing.
Post by: helmacon on October 26, 2017, 02:23:32 pm
This is obvious fuckery.
Post by: Prophet on October 26, 2017, 02:43:28 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 26, 2017, 03:04:53 pm
Even if they didn't pay the taxes they shouldn't have had their good seized.
Post by: Haspen on October 26, 2017, 03:54:45 pm
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You send an angry letter to Prince Celer, demanding return of stolen ore.
1100 AD, Late Winter
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The wagons of ore are returned to the border and now in the custody of your soldiers! A letter was also given by a Ceodwell escorts.
In the letter, Prince Celer formally withdraws his country from the trade treaty of silver and spice.
Your merchants and courtiers loudly bemoan that something be done about this! You decide to...
A) Tell them to shut up and be happy that the silver can at least be added to the Treasury.
B) Sponsor an expedition to establish a safe route to Gubta lands through the uninhabited and rarely traversed Ironbone Mountains.
C) Send a letter to Prince Celer, demanding that the trade route be restored at once, or there will be consequences of his dishonorable conduct!
Post by: helmacon on October 26, 2017, 03:58:02 pm
The dude is only hurting himself.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 26, 2017, 03:58:55 pm
Might as well. Even if there's no path to speak of, maybe we'll find some fun stuff there. Mind you, the mountains are unlikely to be uninhabited for no reason, but that only makes them more intriguing!
Post by: omada on October 26, 2017, 04:03:48 pm
B
We might find something
Post by: Criptfeind on October 26, 2017, 04:05:47 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on October 26, 2017, 04:28:14 pm
1100 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor, always punctual, brings the Scrolls of Kingdom Status for you.
Happiness: 9
Population: 6
Economy: 8
Army: 4
"Your Majesty, both the administrative reform and the pursuit of newer Fireblood machines is going steady. The scribes continue working on the new version of the Royal Map."
"Your Majesty! We have accumulated vast amount of wealth and your people love you! Shall we do anything about that? Surely you have some grandiose plans for this time of prosperity?"
As for the money...
A) Sponsor construction of grand monument commemorating our recent military conquests.
B) Contact the dwarves with the intent of commissioning their runemasters for creation of an artifact.
C) Expand, beautify and fortify your palace to reflect your power and reputation as a leader.
D) "Naaaah." Leisurely nap on your mountain of riches.
E) Renovate the various minor keeps and manors across our expanded country to appease both garrison commanders and local nobility.
F) Toss extra cash into the bureaucratic reform to make it happen sooner.
G) Toss extra cash into the Fireblood research to get Thundercat production started sooner.
As for the happy peasants...
A) Raise taxes for a year to squeeze extra coin from them.
B) Establish a new, higher tax rate for peasantry. They surely can deal with it.
C) Nah, let's keep them happy and all.
//Per usual, no split votes pls.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 26, 2017, 04:31:49 pm
A
It's in the treasury.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 26, 2017, 04:35:44 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 26, 2017, 04:54:44 pm
So where do they come from? I don't think we have raised any of our own troops in a long time.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 26, 2017, 05:18:22 pm
Unless we reestablish the spice trading – which only had a few years until our mine runs out, as I recall – happiness will not increase as easily as in recent years. The Treasury doesn't need extra taxes at the moment. E C
Post by: omada on October 26, 2017, 05:39:59 pm
hmmm, Although i think this shall please the nobles, at least 3/4 of the nobles were eliminated and we got people's support, and we still haven't seen any military bonus from it (or we need to select it a few times for it to work? Or everytime we got time to answer an attack on one of the forts were the actual improvement from this?)
C Okay, let's sufocate them by expanding our walls and making they feel like "Damn, to get into the king is impossible" and make every visitor feel like they're being treated as angels
C, no we are 1 point to getting 10 hapiness and our money is still very nice, harvest this when we are in great need
Post by: Twinwolf on October 26, 2017, 06:04:18 pm
C so we can try to see if anything special happens at 10 Happiness.
Post by: Puppyguard on October 26, 2017, 06:12:36 pm
C
I wanna know what happens if we hit 10 happiness.
Post by: vastaghen12 on October 26, 2017, 06:24:16 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 26, 2017, 06:30:33 pm
I just wanna be different, and don't actually expect much from 10 happiness.
Post by: Twinwolf on October 26, 2017, 06:36:13 pm
Post by: omada on October 26, 2017, 06:59:14 pm
I wonder, actually, would improving our palace mean that we got a bonus to some diplomacy (particularly things like guests and such), due to the beauty of the palace and other improvements?
Last time we upgraded it we were told about some stuff of "more towers" and "better walls", So i think it means a defensive bonus when fighting at the capital
Post by: Baffler on October 26, 2017, 07:53:56 pm
Post by: melkor on October 27, 2017, 02:21:48 am
AC
lets hope a military monument will help flock people to our army
Post by: ZBridges on October 27, 2017, 02:36:55 am
Post by: Imic on October 27, 2017, 03:20:34 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 27, 2017, 07:34:26 am
Post by: Prophet on October 27, 2017, 01:23:06 pm
C
Post by: Haspen on October 27, 2017, 04:15:09 pm
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You decide to spend the money to renovate various keeps, manors and forts across the nation. As Methiant has grown bigger in recent years, there's much more buildings to be renovated - thus the cost will be higher, but nothing the Treasury cannot handle, the Advisor assures you!
1101 AD, Spring
You learn that the Shahshans and the Kashites are in stalemate with the Gubta, and that Prince Celer has finally ascended the throne after King Ceodwell X has died of sudden fever. Truly a tragedy, it is, although some whisper that the fever wasn't an accident, considering Prince Celer's lately rise to the prominence. He has taken upon regnal name of 'Calahan III', to honor his distant ancestor and warrior-king, himself a grandson of the conqueror, savant, and long-lived monarch, Ceodwell of Luathbas.
A) Send him a congratulatory letter.
B) Send him a modest gift of money - not a bribe, nope.
C) Publicly shame Calahan III and insinuate that he was behind Ceodwell X's death.
Post by: Puppyguard on October 27, 2017, 04:18:54 pm
It's free.
Post by: omada on October 27, 2017, 04:39:31 pm
B) We think you're a corrupt asshole and even with all the money of the country in your hands we are giving a bribe to be your friend
C) Hey we are gonna pose as the good guys and shame on you, certainly it's gonna become a war declaration
Post by: ZBridges on October 27, 2017, 04:40:36 pm
Post by: birdy51 on October 27, 2017, 04:50:44 pm
Such a rude dood.
Post by: helmacon on October 27, 2017, 04:54:26 pm
eh
Post by: Haspen on October 27, 2017, 05:58:49 pm
Two weeks later you receive a response letter, in which Calahan III thanks you for your kind message.
1101 AD, Summer
"It is very strange." You whisper to yourself, sipping on the wine.
The nights seem to be darker. The days are oft foggy or clouded. Local hunting grounds, few years ago filled with game animals, seem to be lifeless today. Your wife, previously not minding your presence, now seems to avoid you for some time, not even visiting you at the bedside. Plus all those little accidents with maids and servants, yes...
Yes, it has been very strange indeed since the birth of Aethled. Is he a spawn of evil? A herald of calamity that's about to come?
A) Maybe I'm just imagining things and all I need is another drink.
B) Segeda borne Aethled, so she is cause of all this. It's time to punish her.
C) I better get rid of the child. Quietly. For the good of my family, and all of Methiant!
D) TRULY SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL IS AT WORKS HERE I BETTER CALL A WIZARD.
//EDIT: Forgot the mandatory choice, is fixed now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 27, 2017, 06:08:50 pm
Don't listen to the fuckin' voices in your head, king dude. There's a bunch of people who did that and it's never ended well.
Post by: Puppyguard on October 27, 2017, 06:21:05 pm
I think the birth of the child and the bad omen are merely a coincidence.
Post by: birdy51 on October 27, 2017, 06:23:31 pm
Placing my bets now, it's the missus. She be angry.
Post by: Twinwolf on October 27, 2017, 06:24:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 27, 2017, 06:30:17 pm
WIZARDS TIME! TIME TO ADD THE QUEST TITLE TO US! +5 PRESTIGE POINTS
Post by: helmacon on October 27, 2017, 06:34:29 pm
She seems like a witchy woman.
Post by: omada on October 27, 2017, 07:00:26 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 27, 2017, 07:22:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 27, 2017, 08:19:30 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 27, 2017, 08:29:55 pm
To WINE! The cure all we deserve.
Post by: Iituem on October 27, 2017, 08:43:54 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 27, 2017, 11:10:47 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 27, 2017, 11:51:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 28, 2017, 02:44:39 am
"Sire? There's no calamity occuring, no monsters threatening the country. Whatever for we need the wizard at the moment?"
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Your attempt at convincing them fails, unfortunately.
A) Clearly they're conspiring against me. Off with their heads!
B) They must be affected too. I've got to set off into the land incognito to find myself a Wizard!!
C) Even the air here is oppressive. To the highest tower! I need some fresh air to think!!
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 28, 2017, 02:54:29 am
Post by: ZBridges on October 28, 2017, 02:55:59 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 28, 2017, 03:02:20 am
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2017, 03:32:58 am
this will only end badly
(although C could end up with us meeting zombie wife again)
Post by: birdy51 on October 28, 2017, 05:04:47 am
I mean, it's still not a good idea. But it's better than losing it!
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 28, 2017, 06:16:37 am
Post by: Haspen on October 28, 2017, 06:23:49 am
The courtiers might nto let you out after this, time to sneak off!!
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Succession Debate Council, 1101 AD, Autumn
The iron cane makes a loud noise when the Advisor taps the stone floor of the council chamber.
The issue at hand is as follows: after Yoe II has fled from the castle through the sewers one day, instead of simply walking out, a search was concudcted and the monarch was found babbling about end of the world and need to immediately find a Wizard. As he was seemingly struck with disease of insanity that kept holding on his mind after three months, the courtiers of Yoe II decided they need someone stable mentally on the throne.
But that became a point of contention and erupted into heated shouting, before the cane brought order back.
"It is evident that we have a split of thought here. Shall we risk a lengthy regency for Crown Prince Cyl-"
"Regency! Regency for the legimiate successor!" The cane sounds again to silence one half of the room.
"-or do we pass the throne of Methiant to Duke Luath, brother of King Yoe II and son of Yoe I, who is known to be a charismatic man?"
"Eligible to the throne! No regency, no turmoil, this the only choice!!"
"Regency! Regency of good Queen Segeda~!" The cane then once again had to bring order to the council.
After several lenghty heated discussions, some shouting contests and at least five cane interventions, the council has thus decided to...
A) Establish the Regency of Queen Segeda for Crown Prince, till he reaches age of ascension (in the distant 1113 AD)
B) Pass the throne to Duke Luath, brother of Yoe II, son of Yoe I.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 28, 2017, 06:35:07 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 28, 2017, 06:40:08 am
If not, B.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 28, 2017, 07:19:31 am
But, why wouldn't our courtiers send for a wizard now??? We're proven right in that we do need one, since they think an evil spell struck Yoe low.
Like. "Oh. We need a wizard, there's evil magic about!" "That's complete insanity, there's no evil magic, we don't need a wizard! You must have been struck by evil magic to go so insane! Too bad there's nothing we can do."
Post by: birdy51 on October 28, 2017, 09:40:23 am
The decision to search for a wizard is the duty of the sitting ruler. Ergo, whoever gets on the throne. Let's hope mother knows best.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 28, 2017, 09:49:17 am
Wait, do we get to control Segeda during the regency? If so, A.Averts time skip either way. Good plan.
If not, B.
B ut I don't think Segeda has a rulership bonus. I wouldn't mind being charismatic again, especially if the nobles are upset enough to consider splitting away.
Post by: vastaghen12 on October 28, 2017, 10:10:18 am
Post by: Twinwolf on October 28, 2017, 10:13:55 am
A.
Post by: Puppyguard on October 28, 2017, 10:20:39 am
Post by: Prophet on October 28, 2017, 11:02:41 am
Post by: Baffler on October 28, 2017, 12:06:49 pm
Post by: Culise on October 28, 2017, 12:18:12 pm
*evil giggle*
Post by: omada on October 28, 2017, 12:31:12 pm
B He is charismatic, We can keep with the planed marriages, if others fall back we can offer something instead, we can promise the kid that if he invests in his study and prove to be a capable leader we can pass the throne back to him, if he want the responsability sure. If he don't show himself gifted (what i think it will happen) he can have an shiny place on the government, be it control over some lands or something that is in his field of expertise be it war, commerce or books he will seat on our side and be treated as a equal (this way we can make sure he won't get mad)
Maybe it won't need even all this bullshit, as a charismatic guy he can control whatever happens on the way, and as a charismatic guy can suppress any civil war before it starts (If we die again we can re-pass the throne to the kid hehehe)
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 28, 2017, 12:52:14 pm
Post by: Imic on October 28, 2017, 12:56:13 pm
For pity's sake, we're not dead, we don't need our brother, and after all, I want to see her character development, and what her possible motives are.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 28, 2017, 01:09:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2017, 01:49:33 pm
If it implies playing with her and no time skip.
Otherwise B
Post by: Haspen on October 28, 2017, 05:36:52 pm
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1102 AD
You are Luath, son of Yoe I. Your brother's mind fell into insanity and his heir, while a legitimate successor, would require over ten years of regency of his mother, who would wield no real power in Methiant. Therefore, to ensure stability of the kingdom, you were chosen to the throne. You are known to be a shrewd politician and a charismatic statesman.
Here comes the advisor, which the Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands!
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 6
Army: 4
You are then briefed up-to-date on the affairs of the Kingdom:
The bureaucratic reform started by your brother is going steadily, and the renovations of various keeps and manors is underway.
The caravan of fireblood ingredients from Eldrican arrived in Late Summer, allowing your alchemists and metallurgists to continue working on the fearsome Thundercats.
Unfortunately, when the news of your brother's insanity slipped past palace walls, people got a little upset. Not a major hit to the stability of the realm, though.
Your wife, Ana of Ceodwell (granddaughter of Ceodwell IX, who was the father of recently died Ceodwell X, she's also a cousin of currently reigning Calahan III), is pregnant with your third child. Your twin sons, Aón and Elmach, are both two years old.
Out of respect for your brother's dynastic line, you decide not to crown yourself as Yoe III, but instead, you adapt your birth name as your regnal name. Long Live King Luath!
1102 AD, Spring
News arrive from the east; apparently Kashites struck a peace deal with Gubtas, cutting the war shorter in exchange for territories. That pissed off the Shahshans, who were apparently not on the deal. Currently, while Gubta recover, the Shahshans and the Kashites have a minor war of mostly honour going on between themselves.
1102 AD, Mid-Spring
Grand Duchess Segeda has long clamored for an audience, and has been finally given one. With her nose high and her glare attempting to, well, kill you, the once proud Queen stops in front of your throne.
"Dear brother-in-law, King Luath, I need a confirmation from you. My children are young, but are of legitimate birthright and thus in line to the throne of Methiant. Do tell, are they going to once sit upon it like you do today? Or do you wish to establish your family branch as the ruling dynasty? I will honorably forewarn you - I will not give up the prestigious future of my children so easily!" You decide to...
A) Politely explain to her that the next King of Methiant will be Aón, the eldest of your twin sons.
B) Deliver a clear enough message for everyone present - and toss Segeda into a damp dungeon cell!
C) Attempt to negotiate a compromise - for example, her son and your nephew, Cyl, is eligible if you somehow wind up without a heir while on your deathbed.
D) Publicly proclaim that you will relent the throne to Cyl when the boy reaches fifteen years of age.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 28, 2017, 05:43:43 pm
D This is the controlled regency everybody wanted and pacifies the Cyl faction of the council.
However quietly warn her that we do not care for her disrespectful tone.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 28, 2017, 05:44:16 pm
Nah.
Post by: vastaghen12 on October 28, 2017, 05:59:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 28, 2017, 06:01:06 pm
B!
Now that's a choice-user combination I didn't not expect to see 'v.
Post by: birdy51 on October 28, 2017, 06:04:37 pm
Madness can be hereditary.
Post by: Twinwolf on October 28, 2017, 06:05:52 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2017, 06:14:04 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 28, 2017, 06:18:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2017, 06:23:57 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 28, 2017, 06:24:48 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 28, 2017, 09:19:33 pm
Post by: Draignean on October 28, 2017, 09:32:27 pm
Post by: omada on October 28, 2017, 09:58:08 pm
He will not want to be killed or to deal with a war that might disrupt his good life and kingdom (it's not a stupid guy)
plus, swamp fever might kill him in the process and we will not have to deal with it, not that we wan't it. (unless he grows up useless)
Segeda, teach the kid well, use your time to make him the best he can be. for he shall one day sit on the throne
Post by: ZBridges on October 28, 2017, 10:05:13 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on October 28, 2017, 11:18:08 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2017, 11:27:55 pm
Post by: omada on October 28, 2017, 11:59:19 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 29, 2017, 12:51:26 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 29, 2017, 02:24:05 am
I'm gonna vote D. It gets the regency I wanted from the previous decision.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 29, 2017, 03:29:59 am
D
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 29, 2017, 03:47:12 am
Post by: Haspen on October 29, 2017, 04:40:52 am
You publicly proclaim that you will rule Methiant until Cyl reaches the valid age of ascension - fifteen years. That means that the Year 1114 AD will be the last year of your rule.
Segeda of course looks very pleased, and the nobles accept your decision too.
1102 AD, Summer
An urgent letter has arrived from the silver mines in the north east. The manager of the mines writes that the miners have noticed that the veins of ore are going dry, and new digging sites provide not a speck of metal. He believes that the mines will soon run out of ore, perhaps in as little as two or three years. Just like dwarves 'prophesized'.
In the last part of the letter he asks what to do - is he to close the mines, or shall you fund a new mining endeavour nearby in hopes of uncovering some extra ore?
A) Nay, dumping money into truly exhausted mines would be waste of time and coins.
B) Of course! We need to do everything to squeeze as much as possible from the area.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 29, 2017, 05:20:20 am
The dwarves know mining.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 29, 2017, 05:42:44 am
Spices, we will miss you.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 29, 2017, 05:57:10 am
Post by: helmacon on October 29, 2017, 07:11:47 am
Post by: Haspen on October 29, 2017, 09:08:22 am
1102 AD, Midsummer
Your wife gives birth to a baby girl! She names her 'Yra', after a warrior-queen from one of very old folk tales.
You hear news from the north; apparently Queen Dogethe decided to tame The Wildlands and established few settlements in that region. It's a rocky plateau dotted with few spruce glades and only few running streams - a harsh land to farm and thrive on, but it seems Cydwyls believe they can do it.
The caravan of Fireblood supplies arrived from the west. Your alchemists gladly took the powders and ores to their workshops.
1102 AD, Autumn
A seldom event occured in the north!
King Daran of Dahnia died heirless. His cousin, King Algaus of Helliste has declared his intent to take the throne of Dahnia, citing his family relationship (he is Daran's maternal cousin) as a legitimate claim for it. Apparently, the Dahnian nobility, with few exceptions, decided to go with it without resistance. There are, of course, some of Daran's relatives running around Dahnia at the moment but they have little power in politics, so who knows if they will do anything about this.
1102 AD, Mid-Autumn
Your Advisor arrives with a report.
"Sire, I'm happy to announce that our alchemsits and metallurgists has managed to produce a certain amount of Thundercats. These powerful siege machines will be now at the disposal of our Army, and considering their smaller size and lesser weight, we can conduct military operations at regular speed now."
You nod at the Advisor and are ready to dismiss him, when he speaks up.
"The Royal Alchemist and the Marshal both inquire whether there should be a formal presentation of the Thundercats' power which you and the rest of Royal Family would attend."
A) "Nah, just have them added to our Army already."
B) "Agreed! I will personally thank them after a successful combat presentation."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 29, 2017, 09:09:44 am
Post by: omada on October 29, 2017, 09:36:15 am
but i think it ain't happen
If there is going to be an presentation anyway B
I really don't know if it will be only fluff text, if we are gonna gain some opportunities/danger but damn it. Charismatic guy shouldn't lose a chance to talk to someone
Post by: Iituem on October 29, 2017, 09:42:37 am
Maybe we can develop a major manufacturing district in the capital instead?
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 29, 2017, 09:51:58 am
Maybe we can develop a major manufacturing district in the capital instead?
Time to dip into that secondary sector! Just a stepping stone to a burgeoning service industry and a developed economy!
Post by: Iituem on October 29, 2017, 10:37:01 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 29, 2017, 11:49:41 am
Post by: Puppyguard on October 29, 2017, 12:25:12 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 29, 2017, 12:30:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 29, 2017, 12:32:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 29, 2017, 01:34:31 pm
A week later, you attend the presentation. The Thundercats will be targeting an old tower, at the outskirts of the royal hunting grounds, which has by today crumbled down to its first floor.
You can look the Thundercats down their barrels; the cast iron siege engines look impressive, if a bit small-sized compared to the Blackhearts, which were truly humongous black tubes of death.
Standing near the artillery, looking at the Fireblood and chatting with the engineers, you look as the Thundercats are loaded up. Soon they shall fire.
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A Fireblood handling mishap creates a small explosion! Some of the younger engineers mixed it wrong and the mixture exploded prematurely inside one of the Thundercat, which is now a slightly molten mess. Several were wounded, your ears were ringing for a while, but no one died. The courtiers attending the presentation however are worried that Methiant engineers are in fact not ready to handle these guns properly.
A) Nonsense, accidents happen and there's nothing we can do about it. It's time to add Thundercats to the Army!
B) Indeed, let's be careful. Postpone addition of Thundercats for a year so the engineers can work on them a bit more.
Post by: crazyabe on October 29, 2017, 01:36:03 pm
Post by: Iituem on October 29, 2017, 01:40:06 pm
Post by: Imic on October 29, 2017, 01:59:36 pm
Even if the accident was a once off, it would be nice to improve them some more.
Then we can go a - conquering our neighbors!
Post by: Puppyguard on October 29, 2017, 02:03:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 29, 2017, 02:19:50 pm
1102 AD, Winter
Gemstones and silver arrive at your Treasury; the gemstones are sent westwards.
Few days later, you receive a letter from a nobleman called Aethef Einan, a man you know little about. In his letter he describes a group of merchants from distant Agares that visited his little border town of Cyldwan. They speak of their distant homeland and their wish to know more about Methiant, therefore Aethef wonders if you would want to meet with them in person.
A) Sure thing.
B) I'm too busy.
Post by: Criptfeind on October 29, 2017, 02:32:52 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 29, 2017, 02:33:22 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 29, 2017, 02:33:59 pm
ASSASSIN!!
Post by: Prophet on October 29, 2017, 02:38:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 29, 2017, 03:56:30 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 29, 2017, 06:08:53 pm
Yaknow, at some stage we really need to get something like a small pistol to defend ourselves against assassins better. Perhaps our thundercat makers can look into that sorta thing.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 29, 2017, 09:21:21 pm
Or a collapsible mini crossbow sorta thing like they use. Make it an even duel!
Post by: Haspen on October 30, 2017, 12:44:08 pm
1102 AD, Midwinter
It sure took them a while to get to your palace.
Twenty five men arrive at your castle, riding formidable, grey-skinned giant lizards. The men are all bearded, wear fur clothing and conical straw hats. Curved swords, axes and broad knives are hanging at the belts of twenty men who travel in lines behind the five men at the front. Several more lizards are without riders but are carrying heaps upon heaps of furs, various bags and crates.
The five Agaresians appear before your throne, depositing luxurious furs at your feet; white fox, black sable, ermine and mink, plus a bear fur cloak adorned with golden thread. They describe this particular collection as gifts, rather than commodities they want to sell, for you and your beautiful wife.
What strikes you is that the Agaresians seem to be bilingual; using a guttural, alien language between themselves but also speaking the local language of Methiant peoples with certain ease.
"It is most honor to see the King of Methiant. We come far from the land of Agares, where the good King Atulov rules. We brings gifts and we bring words of the good King; he wishes to learn more about this land and to obtain its riches, as we heard the land is prosperous and full of ores and gemstones." They then list what they have to offer, or rather, what King Atulov has to offer.
In return, they would accept locally mined silver, gold, copper or gemstones, either in raw, processed, or crafted forms.
The Treasurer and the Advisor both remind you that you have none of these currently available, unless you wish to break the trade agreement with King Elran III of Eldrican (the near-exhausted silver is not even an option). Thus, first of all, you decide to...
A) Tell the merchants that you have nothing to sell and have to dismiss them empty-handed.
B) Try to persuade the merchants to accept hard Methiant coinage in exchange for their wares.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 30, 2017, 01:11:46 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 30, 2017, 01:30:53 pm
Post by: omada on October 30, 2017, 01:48:54 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 30, 2017, 01:52:15 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 30, 2017, 01:56:40 pm
I mean, surely it would fall under some version of processed silver, copper or gold.
B
Post by: Aseaheru on October 30, 2017, 02:33:26 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 30, 2017, 02:58:51 pm
B
Post by: Prophet on October 30, 2017, 03:01:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 30, 2017, 03:18:30 pm
but at some point we need to get the dwarves to take a look at our new mountainous area.
Post by: Imic on October 30, 2017, 03:32:40 pm
Couldn't we do negotiating?
Eventually, however, we should really find a new source of money.
Post by: Haspen on October 30, 2017, 03:35:38 pm
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They quietly argue between themselves for a while. Two merchants however dominate; they wear simple silver chains compared to their three compatriots who wear more elaborate but iron chains. You wonder if its of significance. They finish their discussion and turn to you.
"Very well. King Atulov will be glad to receive coins, even if they're foreign and thus of no certain purity. I'm sure we can establish a trade of one item for your coinage." Success! Even if minor one, but still success nonetheless!
You decide to try and establish an exchange for...
A) Luxurious furs and skins for your nobility.
B) Precious salt that is rare in these parts.
C) Agaresian steel, which they make in huge amounts.
D) Eggs of giant lizards, their fearsome mounts.
E) "These are fine goods, but is there anything else you or your King could offer us?"
Post by: crazyabe on October 30, 2017, 03:42:36 pm
(B) - Wealth, Possibly happiness or pop
(C) - Military, Possibly wealth
(D) - Military, possibly death and chaos when they break lose and eat the peasants.
(E) - Got anything better? this Might just be a waste of your time.
I Vote C
Post by: helmacon on October 30, 2017, 03:47:47 pm
once we have them we can raise our own lizards when the trade route stops. It's the only one that ensures continued benefit.
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 30, 2017, 03:48:59 pm
Dinosaur cavalry!
Post by: ZBridges on October 30, 2017, 04:08:43 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 30, 2017, 04:09:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 30, 2017, 04:10:00 pm
I don't trust the lizards will develop fast enough to really be worth while.
But if we can start rebuilding our wealth base that'd be pretty good... It's been dwindling over time I believe.
Post by: omada on October 30, 2017, 04:14:25 pm
B (IF D is winning i am willing to trade my vote for C, because steel might be lucrative still and trade-able)
Look, it's rare in these parts, it will be probably work as spices, money and possibly happyness
If it prove to be very lucrative we can pick a part of these wealth and ask for other stuff from them, like eggs (and begin to learn how to properly breed it)
Spoiler: My last idea of why D is very nice (click to show/hide)
Hmmm, we should make like England someday and make sure our coin is considered pure everywhere
Post by: Twinwolf on October 30, 2017, 05:01:52 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 30, 2017, 05:09:53 pm
The lizards will break loose and kill peasants.
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 30, 2017, 05:28:20 pm
C because militarily helpful but less likely to eat us because we don't know how to train them.
We know how to train steel? Man we are great trainers!
C
Too bad no spices...
Post by: vastaghen12 on October 30, 2017, 06:11:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 30, 2017, 07:37:06 pm
Salt is precious and happiness-inducing and food-preserving. Three out of four categories (maybe), so what's not to like?
(Runner-up in my mind: steel – not just for armor but for improved cannon barrels . . . oh yeah.)
Post by: Twinwolf on October 30, 2017, 07:39:44 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 30, 2017, 09:32:50 pm
I mean, I do love myself some dinosaur plow teams for our farms...
C FOR STEEL!
Unless anyone can give a better argument for D ._. it sounds really nice though.
Post by: Baffler on October 30, 2017, 10:26:00 pm
Post by: melkor on October 31, 2017, 03:10:27 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 31, 2017, 04:43:42 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 31, 2017, 10:40:44 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on October 31, 2017, 10:49:06 am
Post by: birdy51 on October 31, 2017, 02:14:41 pm
Luxury!
Post by: Haspen on October 31, 2017, 02:51:01 pm
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A close one ;v
You agree to buy precious salt so that both peole and nobility can have some spicyness in their foods now that spices are not coming from the Gubta.
The Agaresians discuss the agreement between themselves for a while longer before then bow their heads in respect, agreeing. They have the agreement written down in two copies, one for you and one for them. Both copies have Methiantese script on top and Agaresian script on the bottom. According to the agreement, the salt caravan will pick up the money.
The merchants take their scroll, and leave the palace, riding their giant lizard mounts northwards.
1102 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives in your study as you ponder the ancient lexicons of oratory. He brings many scrolls with him, Scrolls of Kingdom Status of course included.
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 6
Army: 4
"Here is report of the renovations, sire." He unfolds one of the scrolls over the Status. "Almost all of keeps and manors were renovated. Only few remain at near-finished state."
"My liege, the peasants are very mellow for years. Now that we're running out of silver, gems are sent west and coinage will be sent north, we need extra cash. I suggest we tax peasants higher to squeeze extra coin from them."
A) "One year of higher taxes won't hurt anyone."
B) "Nah, let's keep them mellow for more."
C) "Raise the level of taxes for all, it's time to reap the rewards of the good rule of Yoe dynasty."
"Also, I'm happy to announce that the royal scribes have enlarged the map of Methiant and nearby lands." He then sprawls the huge scroll on your desk, the scroll having been widened and stitched and extended many times.
Spoiler: Map of Methiant and Nearby Lands (click to show/hide)
Post by: crazyabe on October 31, 2017, 02:57:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on October 31, 2017, 03:00:57 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on October 31, 2017, 03:10:01 pm
C
Post by: Kashyyk on October 31, 2017, 03:15:20 pm
Post by: birdy51 on October 31, 2017, 03:35:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on October 31, 2017, 04:03:20 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on October 31, 2017, 04:19:36 pm
Post by: Arlos on October 31, 2017, 04:29:39 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on October 31, 2017, 04:30:36 pm
C hopefully that salt will counteract some of the happiness hit we're gonna take.
No, you fool! Salt only begets more salt!
Anyway, voting C because a high standard of living merits a higher tax to balance things out, dammit.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 31, 2017, 04:32:58 pm
A fter seeing the results of this year we can decide whether to continue.
Post by: helmacon on October 31, 2017, 04:37:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 31, 2017, 05:11:21 pm
b
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;V
Post by: melkor on October 31, 2017, 05:22:03 pm
Post by: Draignean on October 31, 2017, 05:42:04 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 31, 2017, 05:50:10 pm
Post by: omada on October 31, 2017, 06:50:10 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 31, 2017, 09:07:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 01, 2017, 05:42:27 am
1103 AD, Spring
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The decision to raise taxes was a catalyst for massive drop of loyalty amongst your peasants. Apparently, years of good rule didn't prepare them for the fact they might need to reward you for your love-handed approach at ruling. At least no one is openly rebelling at the moment.
1103 AD, Summer
The dreaded swamp fever, which kills 8 out of 10 children and leaves the 9th crippled, has seized Yra, your youngest child!
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Yra is still alive, but the healers are running around her 24/7 to keep her alive. Your wife cries her eyes out because someone at your court is saying that Yra should be killed to cut her painful existence short.
You decide to...
A) Demand that the healers try every herb they know to combat this wicked disease.
B) Tell the healers to give Yra a sleeping agent and then poison her so she dies in her sleep.
C) -
Post by: melkor on November 01, 2017, 05:55:29 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 01, 2017, 07:46:46 am
Anyway, A. Anything for our daughter.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 01, 2017, 07:53:18 am
I wanna know what C is...
Probably the Wise option. Or the Alcoholic option to tell them to do whatever and go off to your quarters to drink yourself into a stupor.
That said, A!
Post by: crazyabe on November 01, 2017, 08:10:42 am
Post by: Prophet on November 01, 2017, 10:37:33 am
Post by: Haspen on November 01, 2017, 10:54:05 am
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She lives! After a week of tough battle, Yra is cured of the swamp fever. She is weak and less lively than before. The healers beleive there might be problems with her development in the future, but nothing's certain.
She is alive and that's what counts.
1103 AD, Midsummer
Kingdom of Ionith is no more; its young, childless King died after a long illness, and Queen Dogethe issued a letter to his courtiers, demanding that they turn over the land into her hands. Facing potential pretender wars and Cydwyl armies, the Ionith nobility surrendered the territories Queen Dogethe. Her kingdom expands once more.
Meanwhile, the Fireblood caravan arrives in your capital city, supplying your alchemists with new ingredients.
1103 AD, Autumn
Your magistrates all report that the bureaucratic reform has been implemented! New offices ensure that the Kingdom will be running smoothly and efficiently!
Congratulations! Bureaucratic Reform has been implemented.
Population of 6 or more will now grant extra taxes at the end of the year (previously it required 8 Population).
Other reforms will be passed more quickly, and with less possibilities for something to go wrong.
1103 AD, Mid-Autumn
A most surprising turn of events has occured, because a delegation of Hurthlings, living in isolation for almost a century, has just arrived at your capital!
The stout ltitle people are all clad in pink woolen cloaks with chainmail hiding underneath them. They're clean-shaven and look at you with certain contempt.
"Griitings, hooman King Luath! Our masters, the Tiftit Family, saw no choice but to turn to you big ones for help. Our land is suffering from lack of foods. Pliise, show your kindness, hooman, and provide us with grain. The Hurthlings will not forget it." Your courtiers of course discuss this lively amongst themselves; according to the folk tales, Hurthlings are supposed to be masters of agriculture. For them to suffer famine or crop failure, is truly a catastrophic event.
You decide to...
A) Dismiss the Hurthlings, as you will have nothing to do with them.
B) Send them a single caravan of grain, but nothing more.
C) Attempt to negotiate a payment for your grain first.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 01, 2017, 10:59:26 am
If we can exchange food for agricultural knowledge (which I hope they did not lose) or just access to their lands for our traders we can truly start rebuilding. If we get nothing we can always just give em some food for now.
With our charisma, outright insulting them should be a difficult thing to do.
Post by: Iituem on November 01, 2017, 11:08:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 01, 2017, 11:09:30 am
C sounds good, for both the reasons above.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 01, 2017, 11:23:33 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 01, 2017, 11:28:32 am
Eh. Why not. Money grub, hoi! Our brother was the kind ruler. We are not.
Post by: Prophet on November 01, 2017, 11:38:43 am
C, since it's the only option that lets us send more than one caravan of grain.C
Post by: crazyabe on November 01, 2017, 11:42:57 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 01, 2017, 11:47:17 am
Post by: Haspen on November 01, 2017, 11:49:03 am
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"Oh good Hooman King, our liiders believed you might want somethin in return, so we will open our borders for the big ones, and and we will teach you how to grow plants well! Pwease?"
A) "You've got a deal."
B) "I want more than that."
Post by: Prophet on November 01, 2017, 11:51:36 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 01, 2017, 11:51:42 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 01, 2017, 11:52:17 am
Post by: Iituem on November 01, 2017, 11:53:47 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 01, 2017, 11:57:43 am
Post by: omada on November 01, 2017, 12:03:40 pm
Now we use the artifact, with the hurthlings we are gonna to grow more food than usual
A
Ought, that 3 scared me, hope we still have a good number of hapiness
but hey, we already have 6 pop. double of the taxes thanks to the reform, and we raised the taxes. this year the economy will be NICE.
Post by: birdy51 on November 01, 2017, 12:30:15 pm
Ooh wii! Gud deal indiiid!
Post by: helmacon on November 01, 2017, 12:51:04 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 01, 2017, 01:32:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 01, 2017, 02:46:59 pm
The Hurthlings depart two weeks later with lots of wagons of grain.
1103 AD, Winter
Agaresian caravan arrives! They bring bags upon bags of salt.
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Selling the salt to your subjects earns you some profits that equal the cost of the salt; your people are happy to be able to add salt to their dishes! Speaking of silver:
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The silver mines managed to fill the yearly quotas, but just barely.
1103 AD, Midwinter
Ana gives birth to a child! It's a boy; your wife names him 'Duach'.
You receive reports from the borderlands; some brave men entered the domain of the Hurthlings and did a little of trading with them, although they haven't traveresed further than a day travel from their borders - confirming that Hurthlings are, or rather, were, suffering from crop failure. Some of younger Hurthlings then decided to travel to your lands and do some sightseeing at the border.
1103 AD, End of the Year
It's that time of the Year, and the Advisor is as punctual as ever.
Happiness: 6
Population: 6
Economy: 8
Army: 4
"My liege! We have managed to accumulate lots of wealth this year. Shall we spend it in some way?" You decide to...
A) Request dwarves to come to your palace and make an artifact.
B) Donate some wealth to appease the peasants.
C) Just keep the money in the vault.
D) Build a grandiose monument to commemorate your prosperous reign.
Post by: crazyabe on November 01, 2017, 02:53:12 pm
They are almost always useful.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 01, 2017, 02:58:09 pm
Our income stream still seems iffy.
I don't suppose we could get a taily of the expected expenses and profits from a year?
Post by: Prophet on November 01, 2017, 03:00:35 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 01, 2017, 03:02:52 pm
been a while since we've seen the battle brothers. Are they still around?
Post by: ZBridges on November 01, 2017, 03:06:00 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 01, 2017, 03:21:41 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 01, 2017, 03:22:39 pm
been a while since we've seen the battle brothers. Are they still around?Lore says they're here and there and everywhere. Maybe they're miffed that our crazy bro didn't convert?
In the meantime, B. We didn't know tax reform would increase taxes on top of the other increase. Rebate check is in the mail!
I don't suppose we could get a taily of the expected expenses and profits from a year?
I may not remember everything, but I count:
Regular debits and credits:
+2? basic tax rate, increased once (may have unknown modifiers?)
+1 tax bonus at 6 pop thanks to reforms
+0 gemstones (traded to Eldrican for fireblood materiel, would be +1)
+1? silver; mine faces imminent exhaustion so don't count on it long term
-0? salt trade (at -1 but apparently repays itself on average roll 2to5)
Short term outlays:
-?? thundercat research (projected to end this? year)
So our bottom line should be in fairly good condition, really.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 01, 2017, 03:43:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 01, 2017, 03:52:18 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 01, 2017, 04:19:05 pm
Post by: omada on November 01, 2017, 04:56:48 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 01, 2017, 05:11:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 01, 2017, 05:56:30 pm
A we can always dismiss them when we don't find their artifacts worth it
This is true. There is no harm in window shopping. A
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2017, 05:57:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 02, 2017, 12:40:28 am
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You decide to keep the money in the vault for now.
1104 AD, Spring
You receive a letter from one of noblemen in far northwest of your Kingdom.
He writes that a powerful Sorceress by the name of Xaviera Roarecho was passing through his domain on her way who knows where, and heard tales of the immense wealth of Methiant. The noble inquires, on Xaviera's behalf, whether your would be willing to see the Sorceress to purchase her grandiose services.
A) Sure.
B) Nah.
Post by: ZBridges on November 02, 2017, 12:48:46 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 02, 2017, 01:11:16 am
We can use her to fix our brother/make sure his wife and kids are not evil.
Post by: helmacon on November 02, 2017, 02:49:55 am
but calling it now, she is totally gonna rob us.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 02, 2017, 02:54:20 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 06:09:43 am
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 06:19:20 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 02, 2017, 06:53:12 am
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 07:46:02 am
Dwarven Amulet of Protection, deflecting arrows and other projectiles from the wearer. Lost in lametania at the battle that killed Yoe I
Sky iron knife lost in ankurvart. Good against fancy creatures, made us brave and we killed some kings. The dwarves should have sold it anywhere as they seized it
Ancient terror, made of unknow iron, lost in the battle of independence of tven
'Dwarven Necklace of Persuasion', an artifact that is said to aid in negotiations, The dwarves tried to sell it again to our fallen tven duke
Murder time, A scepter that can make any wound a grave wound. The old king of lametania offered it to us, and said to have another artifact (they also have a enchanted bow probably, although I don't know if it is a proper artifact, destroyed a might creature at least)
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 11:03:21 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 02, 2017, 12:24:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 02, 2017, 12:32:00 pm
1104 AD, Mid-Spring
The guards hurriedly open the gates as the grotesque cavalcade enters your castle! A pair of winged, scimitar-wielding men in loincloths, eleven giant cockroaches with rubies for eyes, a throng of goblin who-knows-whats in white robes, and at the end, Xaviera Roarecho herself, riding a black hrse with glowing white eyes and fiery pink mane.
Xaviera Roarecho has skin as black as charchoal and hair whiter than snow. A chainmail made of some redddish metal covers her body. Your wife elbows you after a moment so you keep your eyes up.
The Advisor whispers that there is clear difference between the two magical entities, Wizards and Sorceresses - while Wizards travel light to do good, Sorceresses are extremely vain, and thirst for any and all riches they can get.
The sorceress raises a hand and her terrifying mount kneels, allowing her to get off the animal.
"I am Xaviera Roarecho, Guardian of the South, Heiress to the Emerald Throne, Protector of the Ruby Scepter, Lady of the White Flame, and Sorceress Extraordinaire. I've heard of the riches you possess, and that is all that interests me, human king. Do tell, what do you want of me?" You explain that you're not sure what you can ask of her. She scoffs.
"Bah! I can make you smarter! Grant you immense powers! Conjure you a magical, fearsome beast! Think of something, little brain, I'm sure there's something a petty monarch like you desires."
You decide to ask for...
A) Ask for an artifact... (details to follow)
B) Ask for a spell that will scare fanciful creatures away from the kingdom's borders.
C) Ask for prosperity and growth for the Kingdom and its populace.
D) Ask for a mighty beast to be bound as your pet/mount/guardian/something like that.
E) Ask for wisdom about many things.
F) Ask for skills of elite battlemaster.
G) -
H) Ask for endurance and better health.
I) Ask for innate good luck.
J) Ask for a spell that will make your soldiers stronger.
K) Ask for health and prosperity for your family.
//There's many options, so no update till at least 10 people vote in v;
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 12:37:28 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 12:47:32 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 02, 2017, 12:48:14 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 02, 2017, 12:52:57 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 02, 2017, 12:57:16 pm
I would support a, c, or j.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 12:58:47 pm
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 12:58:55 pm
B) No more beasts ravaging our lands, pretty nice
C) Increase population and maybe wealth? If it's a permanent long-term boost it's worth it
D) A beast that will probably count as 1 army point or something (beh, not worth to have a beast of war now, when money becomes water we ask one of these)
E) Get wise trait (not worth, as this leader is temporary)
F) Get Martial trait (not worth, as this leader is temporary)
G) - (gets charismatic?)
H) healthy trait (not worth, as this leader is temporary)
I) luck trait (not worth, as this leader is temporary)
J) bonus for army rolls? If it's a permanent bonus roll to any army that get's in our control it's worth it. if not, no
K) Hmmm, attract wealth and the trait healthy for all the family? That can cure our brother from madness put him back in the throne and ensure that Luath's lineage will get more trust from the leaders of methiant, also, will benefit Luath himself as he is part of family.
Options BCJK are nice (C and J only if it's a permanent bonus to everything that becomes our border)
Although A is fine IF something below is going to win just to make sure we won't waste wealth for shit
Options DEFGHI don't. D is only a small bonus although supercool. from E to I will ONLY BENEFIT LUATH and that's a bad decision for a temporary king (or any ruler, come on it would be better have hundreds of dwarven artifacts than this)
Post by: Iituem on November 02, 2017, 01:05:47 pm
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 01:08:19 pm
Giving the throne to the nephew was a terrible idea. Lets kill their mother and the rest of their line in their sleep.
Even if we don't give the throne, one day we will die, be it by bad rolls or old age, and the trait will die with us.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 01:11:29 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 02, 2017, 01:13:02 pm
I disagree, yes, the traits are temporary, but damn if they aren't powerful. +2 to rolls wins wars. Won wars are a permanent bonus. Consider how uppity Ceodwell is getting, and we probably have some sorta claim on it, given that we're related to the royal line there.
Also we've still got a decade in front of us at the very least, and it's a rare king indeed who manages to even rule that long around here.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 02, 2017, 01:13:15 pm
865 AD, Late Summer
A man in long grey robe and conical hat wishes to see you, say the guards. You let the Wizard in.
"I have heard that this kingdom has a need of my services." You explain to the Wizard what is happening; the terrible droughts and severe thunderstorms. He strokes his beard.
"Ah yes, I felt it in me bones. Your family had dealings with a Sorceress, and she drew upon the powers of the air and water and earth of this land. This caused it to build up in chaotic energies which entered the state of flux now affect the weather. This is soon going to pass."
"How long?" You ask the obvious question.
"Maybe after this summer, maybe in few years."
Post by: Kashyyk on November 02, 2017, 01:17:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 01:29:06 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 02, 2017, 01:31:21 pm
But, I'll be voting for K, if only for the sanity of our dear brother and the continued recovery of our beloved daughter.
Post by: crazyabe on November 02, 2017, 01:31:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 02, 2017, 01:39:21 pm
Do note that this is a Sorceress. Whatever we do, it'll probably come back to haunt us.865 AD, Late Summer
A man in long grey robe and conical hat wishes to see you, say the guards. You let the Wizard in.
"I have heard that this kingdom has a need of my services." You explain to the Wizard what is happening; the terrible droughts and severe thunderstorms. He strokes his beard.
"Ah yes, I felt it in me bones. Your family had dealings with a Sorceress, and she drew upon the powers of the air and water and earth of this land. This caused it to build up in chaotic energies which entered the state of flux now affect the weather. This is soon going to pass."
"How long?" You ask the obvious question.
"Maybe after this summer, maybe in few years."
With any luck, she might pull the prosperity of our neighbors and give it to us. A win win.
Especially if we plan on war.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 02, 2017, 01:45:38 pm
If the dynasty prospers, so too does the kingdom. And so do our chances of keeping the throne.
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 01:54:12 pm
With C it will probably won't screw with prosperity So i don't think it might do something imidiately terrible with hapiness,population,wealthDo note that this is a Sorceress. Whatever we do, it'll probably come back to haunt us.865 AD, Late Summer
A man in long grey robe and conical hat wishes to see you, say the guards. You let the Wizard in.
"I have heard that this kingdom has a need of my services." You explain to the Wizard what is happening; the terrible droughts and severe thunderstorms. He strokes his beard.
"Ah yes, I felt it in me bones. Your family had dealings with a Sorceress, and she drew upon the powers of the air and water and earth of this land. This caused it to build up in chaotic energies which entered the state of flux now affect the weather. This is soon going to pass."
"How long?" You ask the obvious question.
"Maybe after this summer, maybe in few years."
With any luck, she might pull the prosperity of our neighbors and give it to us. A win win.
Especially if we plan on war.
Might bring attention of gnolls of bullshitery that we will have to make a big amount of skirmishes through the land, at least we already reformulated the keeps.
Other stuff might require other measures
Post by: Weirdsound on November 02, 2017, 01:55:38 pm
In addition to curing our brother, it might help us out his second wife as a cheater if her children don't share in the boon.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 02:02:07 pm
That's a good point, maybe our brother can be cured.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 02, 2017, 02:04:10 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 02, 2017, 02:42:22 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 03:30:49 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 02, 2017, 04:15:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 04:20:08 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 02, 2017, 04:28:28 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 04:34:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 02, 2017, 04:58:18 pm
"And that's all? Pathetic wish for pathetic king, I guess!"
Your courtiers grumble at her insults but she doesn't pay attention to them. Instead, she looks at you.
"I wish to be paid for my services, of course."
"How much?" The Treasurer asks, a bit nervously. Xaviera rolls her eyes and with ap uff of silver smoke, a scroll materializes in Treasurer's hands. He reads it and suddenly wheezes.
"My liege! Our Treasury will be nearly emptied if we agree to this!" The Sorceress grimaces.
"Idiot! Did you think I would see myself cheaply? By gods big and small, I value myself highly!" You decide to...
A) Pay Xaviera Roarecho what she wants.
B) Attempt to negotiate a lower amount of money
C) Politely refuse her services, due to exorbitant price.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 02, 2017, 04:59:58 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 02, 2017, 05:00:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 05:00:46 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 02, 2017, 05:01:02 pm
Post by: Imic on November 02, 2017, 05:02:26 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 02, 2017, 05:15:42 pm
C
Next time let's not say yes to a Sorceresse shall we?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 02, 2017, 05:18:26 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on November 02, 2017, 05:25:28 pm
Post by: omada on November 02, 2017, 05:32:41 pm
B - May anger her and C, or may save our coffer we get a +2 from charisma so we can roll from 3 to 8 (unless there is a strong enough debuff in charisma, although a vain creature might understand us being greedy and holding our gold)
C- Get her anger and maybe a curse
I'm feeling brave right now B, we can try to convince that we need a bit of gold in reserve so we can produce more gold to give her later
Post by: Iituem on November 02, 2017, 05:38:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 02, 2017, 05:48:17 pm
Anyways, B
Post by: ZBridges on November 02, 2017, 06:25:12 pm
Post by: Draignean on November 02, 2017, 06:33:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 02, 2017, 07:24:33 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 02, 2017, 07:30:00 pm
If our brother is not apart of the bargain, we may as well forget it. Blessing our line is silly if plan on abdication.
Post by: helmacon on November 02, 2017, 07:33:10 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2017, 08:07:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 03, 2017, 12:44:57 am
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You attempt to negotiate with the Sorceress, so she accepts less money.
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"Negotiate? You dare negotiate with ME!?" Xaviera looks like she is about to explode you and people inside the throne room, but only harrumphs.
"Alright. I have a good mood today. I can spare you one tick extra off your Economy rating."
"Our what?"
"You know what I'm talking about." She stares expectantly at you.
A) That's a good deal!
B) Maybe a tiny bit more?
C) Nah, that won't do.
Post by: Tiruin on November 03, 2017, 12:53:12 am
A
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 03, 2017, 12:54:41 am
I was looking through older SPAMKINGDOM maps when I saw the Parsians. Which had me thinking... what exactly happened to the Parsians? Their people, culture, religion? I'm mainly curious cause I really liked the Parsians for some reason in the first game.
They were eaten by the Gubtas, the Shahshans split off in the process and helped the conquest along.
A, jesus christ, don't dig yourself deeper.
Post by: ZBridges on November 03, 2017, 01:33:39 am
Post by: helmacon on November 03, 2017, 02:16:03 am
woo. We did it. Yay.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 03, 2017, 02:28:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 03, 2017, 05:08:44 am
Well. Now we have to make the deal. At least our wheeling and dealing might have garnered some bit of respect.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 03, 2017, 06:06:21 am
My feeling is always negotiate, once.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 03, 2017, 06:15:31 am
but can I just ask why you're all so obsessed with wizards that you're willing to drop the treasury to 1 (or 2, maybe) for this? :P
Post by: mightymushroom on November 03, 2017, 06:31:42 am
Second, we negotiated. I'm pretty sure the Treasury only drops to two now. Which is not as bad as it sounds supposing we're careful with other expenses this year. Recall that it increased by 2 last year.
Third, Haspen says there's a tax bonus at 8 pop that was lowered to 6 by bureaucratic reforms. By extension, there should be bonuses upon reaching 8 in the other categories: I'm inclined to believe that a massive, rare expense is our special reward for 8 wealth. Personally, I would have used the money in regular ways before we accumulated enough to interest her. I was outvoted, though, and now that we have this pile of cash I'm still inclined to
Post by: Iituem on November 03, 2017, 08:42:35 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 03, 2017, 08:58:11 am
Post by: omada on November 03, 2017, 09:39:24 am
normal tax +1 wealth
6 pop plus reform +1
Higher taxes law +1 or 2 (if it counts with the 6 pop)
If we have 1 or 2 wealth now, next taxes we can go from between 4-6 in one go (oh, i haven't counted the salt and the chance of getting a trade route with gutba on the mountains, nor i counted with the silver mine)
Post by: Culise on November 03, 2017, 09:42:16 am
Of course, refusing outright is probably going to be even more offensive. A
Post by: Aseaheru on November 03, 2017, 09:54:49 am
Post by: Prophet on November 03, 2017, 10:47:07 am
Post by: Twinwolf on November 03, 2017, 09:22:16 pm
First of all, sorceress. There's a difference . . . and the sorceress is definitely the more dangerous of the two.I mean the price isn't the only point I'm making, more about how you all seem obsessed with magic users in general, especially when there are easier, non-magic means to deal with the problem :P
Second, we negotiated. I'm pretty sure the Treasury only drops to two now. Which is not as bad as it sounds supposing we're careful with other expenses this year. Recall that it increased by 2 last year.
Third, Haspen says there's a tax bonus at 8 pop that was lowered to 6 by bureaucratic reforms. By extension, there should be bonuses upon reaching 8 in the other categories: I'm inclined to believe that a massive, rare expense is our special reward for 8 wealth. Personally, I would have used the money in regular ways before we accumulated enough to interest her. I was outvoted, though, and now that we have this pile of cash I'm still inclined tospendinvest it, on a game changing opportunity.
Post by: Baffler on November 04, 2017, 12:31:54 am
Y'know, probably.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 04, 2017, 04:47:08 am
Well there's an overwhelming majority here
but can I just ask why you're all so obsessed with wizards that you're willing to drop the treasury to 1 (or 2, maybe) for this? :P
Really curious about what health and prosperity means in this case, for one. Do we get to cure the previous king? Do his children not get the same privilege? If they don't, is that good reason to suspect they're illegitimate children? It could be a game changer on quite a few levels. Besides, a lasting bonus to the health of our family seems like a pretty worthwhile expense. Nurture the family tree until we have enough family members that a few of them kicking off is no big deal!
Post by: Puppyguard on November 04, 2017, 12:56:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 04, 2017, 02:11:19 pm
"O, Mare Terra!
Oh, Pare Cel!
Concedeixe aquest desig!"
Suddenly, the skies outside darken!
"Tot el bé i el mal
i el brillant i el fosc
amplieu el poder de la vida!"
And now the royal palace is shaking! Your courtiers are screaming in terror!!
"Déu intemporal de la mort
No busqueu aquesta família
I que prosperin!"
You slump onto your throne as your wife collapses to the floor. But the extreme dizziness and numbness of limbs that suddenly seized you disappears just as suddenly; the earthquake stops and the sky is clear once more. You look at the Sorceress, who seems to be quite pleased with herself.
"Now, I want my riches." Not willing to anger the powerful woman any further, you order the guards to take her to the Treasury. Later her monstrous entourage leaves, packing bags upon bags of coinage and gemstones, leaving the royal vaults mostly empty. Your Treasurer spends most of the day weeping.
1104 AD, Summer
You receive a report from the dungeon overlord. He claims that lately, your mentally sick brother Yoe II was just... better. He had no outbursts of screaming, has been sleeping properly and even held several conversations with the guards, who saw barely a tint of insanity remaining in him.
Few days later, as the news get around the Palace, your healers bring joyous news - your daughter Yra has been improving in matter of days!
A week passes and the courtiers gather in your throne room, arguing loudly. Your sister-in-law, Duchess Segeda, has sent them a letter that split the court in two. In the letter she asks that you abdicate and that Yoe II be reinstated as the King of Methiant.
"This might be only temporary improvement, and King Luath was all but incompetent during last two years! He should remain our King till Cyl's ascension, as agreed!"
"King Yoe II has been cured and is the legitimate ruler of Methiant! Let him back on the throne!" One way or another, Segeda opposes you once more, and now even the court isn't sure whom to follow.
After a long debate, you decide to...
A) Man up and toss Segeda where she belongs - into the dungeon - and claim the throne for self and your descendants!
B) Agree to abdicate and return the throne to your apparently cured brother, Yoe II.
C) Stick to the old plan - the throne will return to Yoe dynasty but only when Prince Cyl becomes of age.
Post by: crazyabe on November 04, 2017, 02:13:43 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 04, 2017, 02:17:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 04, 2017, 02:20:59 pm
So much B!
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 04, 2017, 02:27:46 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 04, 2017, 02:31:15 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 04, 2017, 02:32:45 pm
Indeed. Our reign has been short, but people will remember it fondly. Let the years of Duede roll on!
Also we just spent all of the kingdom's money and aren't looking forward to being held responsible for the years to come, I suppose.
Post by: helmacon on November 04, 2017, 02:43:12 pm
woopie!
Although I wonder how Segeda will act now...
Did she realize what she had when she lost us? Or is this all part of her scheming? Her actions towards Yoe now will tell us a lot about her.
Post by: Iituem on November 04, 2017, 02:45:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 04, 2017, 02:46:54 pm
She's a witch I say. How does someone seemingly only interested in books and young men suddenly turn into a political animal after her husband goes insane? Clearly she's an evil witch who cursed our brother in the first place, and Cyl is some half demonspawn bastard. It'll be painful yes, but we gota cut this sickness out of the palace now, before it overwhelms and infects the whole of the nation.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 04, 2017, 02:51:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 04, 2017, 03:15:32 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 04, 2017, 04:36:12 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 04, 2017, 04:41:15 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 04, 2017, 05:27:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 04, 2017, 05:35:35 pm
This is what we hoped for with magic healing, but is there no option to you know, have a personal talk ourselves? Just to see how well he's doing? Bring up some stuff from our childhood? Ask whether he even wants the job back, or would rather adventure to seek a wizard?
I mean, if
Edit: playing around with translation:
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"Oh, Mother Earth!
Oh, Father Celestial!
Grant this desire! "
"All good and evil
and the bright and the dark
expand the power of life! "
"Timeless God of Death
Do not look for this family
I will prosper! "
(Pretty sure Google messed up the last line, probably more like, "And [give] it prosperity.") I wonder if this means we're immortal now? That would be awesome, and troublesome.
Post by: Imic on November 04, 2017, 06:22:47 pm
Eh, the treasurer deserved it.
B.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 04, 2017, 07:03:03 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 04, 2017, 07:16:38 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 04, 2017, 07:32:19 pm
After thinking about it for a bit it is probably better to just let Yoe settle the issues with his wife than risk civil war. B
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2017, 04:41:03 am
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Your decision makes some courtiers angry, but still, you are the King.
Or, until few seconds earlier, were.
1104 AD, Midsummer
You are Yoe II, and you have returned to the throne of the Kingdom of Methiant! Your most honorable and trustworthy brother has passed the throne to you after you were more or less proven to be sane and well again.
The last two years, you remember them as if through fog. The earliest thing you clearly remember is waking up in your cell one summer day, very confused. Let's not think about this embarassing matter too much.
You just receive news that caravan from Eldrican has arrived, bearing Fireblood components in exchange for gemstones. That is good.
1104 AD, Late Summer
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Rebellion! Rebellion occurs in the west of Methiant, roughly at the lands of Felonsines. It is some of your own noblemen, disgruntled that Segeda once again meddled in affairs of the state and got you reinstated. They are led by the court members who previously decided that, instead of Segeda having a regency over Cyl, your brother Luath is to rule Methiant.
They have only one postulate really; that your most loyal wife Segeda is to be divorced and sent home after being stripped of all titles and priviledges. Obviously, they won't stop from directly bearing arms against you if you do not comply. They do not have Luath or his family with them; he didn't have time to move out from the royal palace yet, and when the news reached your court, your captain of guard, out of his own initiative, put him and his relatives into house arrest.
"Bastards." Segeda scoffs from above her books after you tell her the news. "I should've known from beginning when they managed to get Luath onto the throne. Traitors, all of them!" You calm your wife down and then meet with the loyal noblemen at your court.
Few of them consider the demand of the rebels, but most go for the obvious action:
"Our Army ought to march forth and crush the rebel scum!" The Advisor brings some scrolls with numbers for you.
"They command little in terms of military numbers*, and have almost no funds, but they might have loyalty of as much as third of Methiant subjects* to replenish their ranks if their situation turns so dire." The noblemen clamor for action.
One way or another, the Kingdom is now suffering from a civil war. After much thought, you decide to...
A) Divorce Segeda and send her home to fix the situation before it gets uglier.
B) Personally lead the Army to crush the rebel scum.
C) Send a letter of negotiation, maybe some money or other concessions might appease them.
D) Send the Army to destroy the rebel forces.
Post by: Imic on November 05, 2017, 04:51:34 am
Let's try and get this over with.
Post by: helmacon on November 05, 2017, 04:58:18 am
we have the support of everyone but her now. The people, the nobles, our family. Everyone. Fuk er.
Been waiting for a good excuse for a long time. Finally gonna get rid if th goin witch. Fuckin esgeda. Fuk er.
Post by: Iituem on November 05, 2017, 06:40:20 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 05, 2017, 06:46:00 am
Also, to stave off future resentment and rebellion, I suggest giving an important position in the government to Luath as reward for his faithful service, and not some token position either, something with real power!
Anyway, D is the best bet at the moment.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 05, 2017, 06:59:11 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 05, 2017, 07:40:23 am
Absolutely A. Best of both worlds! Like, come on, yes, it'd be super ideal to be able to do this without a rebellion, but this is probably our only chance to get rid of her.
Quick question for those with good memories; who is Segeda part of the noble family of? Worth remembering who we'll be at war with after the potential divorce.
Segeda is just a minor noblewoman from our country btw, so we don't loose any important connections from this.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 05, 2017, 08:29:09 am
Segeda is just a minor noblewoman from our country btw, so we don't loose any important connections from this.
A minor noblewoman from the silver mine area, in fact, which has become strategically unimportant in recent years!
With that in mind, A! Without a doubt the funniest option.
Post by: birdy51 on November 05, 2017, 08:53:51 am
I hate to say it but she was never there for us. Let us drop the ice bucket.
Post by: crazyabe on November 05, 2017, 10:14:27 am
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2017, 10:55:51 am
Few days later, the proclamation of divorce circulates while Segeda, truly in shock and speechless, is escorted under guard to her home.
You send a letter to the western rebels...
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...and they accept the decision. Some doesn't, and you hear a bloody skirmish followed
Within few weeks, many noblemen who has risen against you arrives at your throne room to praise your leadership and ask for forgiveness.
1104 AD, Autumn
A most unseen thing has happened in the far south. Damdamian Republic and Damdamian Empire has, after decades upon decades of conflict, decided to go for a peaceful solution. Already there are rumors that their politicians will attempt some sort of a merger, to satisfy both religious Imperialists and the shrewd Republicans.
Who knows what kind of radical idea might be brewing amongst the Damdamian politcians. Feudal republic? Elective monarchy? Something more complex? Time will tell.
Few days later, father of Segeda has sent you an insulting letter - he demands that the dowry and expenses for wedding feast are to be repaid to him!
A) Send him the money, he can have it just as he can have his terrible daughter.
B) Send him a letter in which you demand he shuts up.
C) Send agents to imprison the crazy old man.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 05, 2017, 11:01:10 am
In any case, B! Piss off, you old bastard, we've got troubles enough as is.
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2017, 11:02:52 am
Post by: Culise on November 05, 2017, 11:17:08 am
D. We'll repay the dowry, but not the feast.
Post by: crazyabe on November 05, 2017, 11:25:37 am
And please, remind him that it was his daughter who got the People riled up against us, by demanding our brother return the throne to us rather then leaving it for when our son is old enough to take it.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 05, 2017, 12:05:45 pm
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The grandiose wedding between you and your new wife, Segeda, is truly grandiose and fully sponsored by her father! He says he might've overpaid all this, but he even shares his wealth with you! The Treasurer couldn't be happier.
Since we had to roll to determine our share of the cost, it cannot be the case that he legally "owns" the wedding expenses. Therefore, we should treat it as a simple gift: no takesies-backsies. B
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2017, 12:11:51 pm
B.
And please, remind him that it was his daughter who got the People riled up against us, by demanding our brother return the throne to us rather then leaving it for when our son is old enough to take it.
+1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 05, 2017, 01:09:32 pm
Post by: Culise on November 05, 2017, 01:47:11 pm
Yes, but the dowry is separate from the wedding festivities. Hence, I proposed an option that covers the former and not the latter. I do like the idea of blaming his daughter for having the temerity to make us king again, though; very easy to spin. :PQuote6
The grandiose wedding between you and your new wife, Segeda, is truly grandiose and fully sponsored by her father! He says he might've overpaid all this, but he even shares his wealth with you! The Treasurer couldn't be happier.
Since we had to roll to determine our share of the cost, it cannot be the case that he legally "owns" the wedding expenses. Therefore, we should treat it as a simple gift: no takesies-backsies. B
Post by: Puppyguard on November 05, 2017, 01:52:07 pm
Hence, I proposed an optionUnfortunately, haspen never accepts additional player made options.
B
Post by: Criptfeind on November 05, 2017, 02:02:11 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 05, 2017, 02:05:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 05, 2017, 04:32:39 pm
I mean, what's he gonna do?
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2017, 05:33:47 pm
1104 AD, Mid-Autumn
Weather has been calm thorough the year and that has concluded with a very bontiful harvest! People across Methiant, weary of recent upheavals and internal strife, clamor for a harvest festival to be hosted by the Crown so that everyone can feast and be merry!
A) Let's party all day and all night!!
B) We're on tight budget here, sorry.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 05, 2017, 05:36:38 pm
BREAD
CIRCUSES
WE GOT IT ALL FRIENDS
Post by: Aseaheru on November 05, 2017, 05:41:17 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 05, 2017, 06:02:58 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 05, 2017, 07:02:44 pm
A
Post by: Criptfeind on November 05, 2017, 07:18:48 pm
Post by: omada on November 05, 2017, 07:46:01 pm
B
Post by: Puppyguard on November 05, 2017, 07:48:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 05, 2017, 08:00:57 pm
we're back baby!!
Post by: Iituem on November 05, 2017, 08:35:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 05, 2017, 09:34:01 pm
Just an edit to say that I think VoidSlayer makes a valid point below. I'm too fond of festivals to change my vote, but it did make me reconsider.
Post by: Baffler on November 05, 2017, 09:36:24 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 05, 2017, 09:55:40 pm
Invest in swords not hearts.
B
Post by: Weirdsound on November 06, 2017, 12:50:24 am
We had 8 happiness and a full third of our population was glad to join the revolt.
Invest in swords not hearts.
B
+1
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 06, 2017, 01:22:09 am
Post by: Haspen on November 06, 2017, 10:52:48 am
More votes needed ;v
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 06, 2017, 10:57:26 am
We had at most 6 happiness when the revolt happened, maybe less if the decision to return the throne to Yoe II lowered it.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 06, 2017, 10:59:19 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 06, 2017, 11:08:39 am
Post by: melkor on November 06, 2017, 11:17:27 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 06, 2017, 11:20:58 am
Post by: Haspen on November 06, 2017, 12:56:09 pm
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Everyone celebrates heavily and many a young couple earn the scold of their more restrained parents on the mornings after.
1104 AD, Winter
The Agaresian caravan arrives on point, and salt is exchanged for money.
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People are thankful for the Crown to provide them with salt, while the Treasury reports that it was able to get enough money to cover the payment for salt.
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Unfortunately, the silver mines are at their end. There was little silver brought up this year and even less left down in the mines, the report from overseer says. He therefore closes the mines for good.
1104 AD, End of the Year
The autumn and winter has come and has gone without much incident. The northerners are exploring the wild, the east is warring, the west is quiet and the south is still debating on their unholy amalgamation of republican and imperial ideas.
And per usual, the Advisor comes by your study. He spreads the Scrolls of Kingdom Status on your desk.
Happiness: 6
Population: 6
Economy: 3
Army: 4
Half of these numbers are rather low, but there's naught you can do at the moment; the taxation is already going hard on the populace and the mercenaries seem few and scarce, even amongst Alldivine Cloisters, if the Advisor is to be believed.
1105 AD, Spring
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The need for military reform is so dire that even your courtiers see that clearly, and has convened a council which you attend. The recent conquests of Methiant, Cydwyl and Eldrican has organized many local states under powerful overlords. But security is loose and patrols scarce; peasants tend to their farms with nary a guard to patrol their villages. Methiant neighbours grow strong day by day and who knows when they will turn their eyes upon the fertile meadows of Methiant?
Therefore, the Kingdom cannot anymore count on mercenaries, they're far too expensive yet unreliable source of military might. For the past century, it was okay, but the disastrous policies of non-draft by old warlords need to be either rescinded or replaced.
The council, unlike any other, continues for days and you're simply tired of the endless discussion. Fortunately, two schools of thought emerge:
The first of course believes that a Kingdom, like any Kingdom in this region did in the past, should press peasants into military service so that they die in wars of the monarch. While it might cause unhappiness, it would provide cheap and easy means of replenishing numbers, or even raise up troops en masse in times of emergency. Kingdom of Eldrican follows this philosophy, owing to large domain populated with numerous settlements and the dynasty's prosperous and non-oppresive rule that keeps the people docile.
The second follows the southern models of 'standing army', something that the old Kingdom of Luathbas has adopted too; the Crown provides arms, supplies and payment for soldiers that are conscripted at young age, trained and then employed in the field. Of course, this means that lots of money will need to be spend per year to maintain such a force, and Methiant isn't exactly abundant in money. Cydwyls, on other hand, took on this military way of life after their old Dahnian masters, as they are wealthy enough to afford this model.
The discussion could go on, but its obvious to you - and the court - that these are the only two viable alternatives. You cant have both.
Therefore, when the nobles ask you to support either of policies, you decide to...
A) Support the old, traditional ways of counting on peasant forces and massed mobilization.
B) Support the well-maintained but expensive model for standing, paid forces.
C) Turn both reforms down, we ain't need stinkin' reforms in my kingdom!
Post by: birdy51 on November 06, 2017, 12:59:46 pm
I'm leaning towards A, given our current lack of funding. We're going to have to find a way to acquire some resources ASAP.
Post by: crazyabe on November 06, 2017, 12:59:49 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 06, 2017, 01:03:31 pm
Standing armies are critical for all kinds of things, while peasant levies are practically useless.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 06, 2017, 01:08:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 06, 2017, 01:25:45 pm
We can aquire our money from foreign lands.!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 06, 2017, 01:30:53 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 06, 2017, 01:41:56 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 06, 2017, 01:44:23 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 06, 2017, 01:50:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 06, 2017, 02:05:50 pm
Also correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Yoe I married to a member of the Ceodwelling Dynasty? If my memory isn't failing me and he was then I wonder how far related we are to the current King of Ceodwell?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 06, 2017, 02:06:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 06, 2017, 02:43:27 pm
A - We have little else to "spend" happiness on, but a never-ending list of things on which to spend money.
Good logic, A
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 06, 2017, 02:46:49 pm
We have little else to "spend" happiness on, but a never-ending list of things on which to spend money.
We can spend happiness on more money, what are you on about?
Besides, mobilizing a professional army lets us reach some impressively high Army values. This'll be very handy once the Damdamians get their shit together, I imagine.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 06, 2017, 02:54:10 pm
Post by: omada on November 06, 2017, 03:01:48 pm
I mean, I don't know if the silver mines was enough for 1 wealth or not.
between "increase taxes for all" or "increase taxes for 1 year" we choose the "increase taxes for all"
and got the bourecratic reform are we getting a +3 now every year? (+1norma+1 pop +1 increased taxes)
I am in clear doubt right now
Right now we don't have money, but the military improvements are usefull
Post by: Criptfeind on November 06, 2017, 03:06:24 pm
Post by: omada on November 06, 2017, 03:48:33 pm
I'm not actually sure if there's 1 base income? It might just be +1 from high pop and +1 from increased taxes. And -1 from bureaucratic reform. For +1 a year?
Oh yes, it said somewhere that we spend a lot for it. with the military reform can turn us back to +1 per year (or 0 if it depletes a single point of our population, thinking better, BOTH options will make us lose money somehow)
Let's hope that our halfling's help+ Rainbow scepter boosts our agriculture so heavily that we can sell seeds to our neighboors still plagued by the weather, (or improve drastically the number of our population/hapiness so we can squeeze it somehow)
and that weird 7 left me worried, if it is propositions of reform a seven, it might mean that we are gonna have problems soon
Post by: mightymushroom on November 06, 2017, 03:59:27 pm
Based on my last reckoning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7607335#msg7607335) and leaving off the silver, we should expect +3/year, I think; and somewhere (not sure bureaucracy or what) we're spending -1/year, I think. We also spent -1 last autumn on the harvest festival and presumed -6 on the sorceress, thus the year end tally. A professional army presumably will be standing cost -1/year, so I believe we would still have a meager income.
I am concerned that our only remaining natural resource is the gemstones traded to Eldrican.
A - We have little else to "spend" happiness on, but a never-ending list of things on which to spend money.No. Since the +1 tax for high population is a standing bonus, drafting significant numbers ends up with the same treasury cost AND fewer, less happy people.
Haspen (or anybody who knows),
Was there ever anything further regarding Thundercat development? My last recollection is that the demonstration model experienced a technical failure; the engineers begged for another year of research but I haven't seen any results. Did I miss it? Were the faults corrected and our army equipped silently?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 06, 2017, 04:08:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 06, 2017, 05:06:38 pm
I read it as a question of how to organize and grow our army:
- +1 army at a cost of -1 happiness each year
- +1 army at a cost of -1 treasury each year
Doesn't that mean we'll likely end up spending money on happiness? Is that better than spending money directly on the army?
Post by: helmacon on November 06, 2017, 05:16:08 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 06, 2017, 05:16:21 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 06, 2017, 05:19:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 06, 2017, 05:59:15 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 07, 2017, 12:49:03 am
Edit: No more big parties!
Post by: Detoxicated on November 07, 2017, 07:25:35 am
Post by: Draignean on November 07, 2017, 08:28:08 am
Gotta keep up with the Joneses and their death squad mobilization program.
Post by: Haspen on November 07, 2017, 10:30:21 am
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You support the expensive model of professional army. The army officers believe they should have everything on paper within a year, and then, with your permission, they can set out to work to restructurize the Army proper.
1105 AD, Summer
A delegation of governors of the lesser developed lands has come for an audience, bringing news of rumbling amongst the peasants. It seems that after scant few years of extra taxation, the people wish for the times when the taxes were lower. There have already been few incidents involving angry peasants and your tax collectors, and therefore the governors ask that you lower the tax to old values.
A) Sure thing, peeps.
B) No, I need monies!
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 07, 2017, 10:31:13 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 07, 2017, 10:36:32 am
Wait a few generations, it will fix itself...
Post by: Weirdsound on November 07, 2017, 10:38:37 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 07, 2017, 10:40:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 07, 2017, 10:47:18 am
Post by: Haspen on November 07, 2017, 11:04:19 am
1105 AD, Midsummer
The Fireblood caravan is here, leaving you with stuff to make stuff explode, in return taking your gemstones.
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Meanwhile, you get reports that the people keep paying taxes, although incidents happen from time to time.
11105 AD, Autumn
The alchemists are proud to report that the Thundercats have been refined in their design and the crews trained. Without delay, these fearsome Fireblood machines are added to your Army, and nothing blows up. Woo!
Few days later you have visitors from Agares. They are merchant representatives of that country.
"Greetings, King of Methiant. We bring news that are sad, as the money of your country is inferior to the wealth our King demands for our salt. Tell us, do you have anything more valuable than these small silvers you give us already?"
You decide to...
A) Try to persuade to them to honor the old deal.
B) Annul the trade agreement as its not gonna work it seems.
C) Offer them gemstones currently mined for Eldrican.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 07, 2017, 11:22:40 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 07, 2017, 11:25:55 am
C.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 07, 2017, 11:51:06 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 07, 2017, 11:59:04 am
A gares is, unfortunately, the less
Post by: Prophet on November 07, 2017, 01:36:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 07, 2017, 01:50:55 pm
A Well that trade deal didn't last to long. It's only been like 5-7 years at the most?
Really wishing we were given the option to observe Yoe II for a few years before putting him back in power. It would be nice to still be playing the Charismatic brother now. A.
Post by: omada on November 07, 2017, 02:50:17 pm
"I don't want your fur or silver, but we know you have trade deals with methiant, we accept Methiantese coins instead"
A
Post by: Haspen on November 07, 2017, 03:43:11 pm
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Unfortunately, all it does is to get them feel insulted and leave in a huff, declaring that the agreement is done for. Oh well.
1105 AD, Winter
The winter starts rather harsh in the region, with early chilly weather and then three days of blizzard. Fortunately, the weather clears up after some time, at least in central Methiant; the people from former Felonsein regions report that the weather didn't seem much improved, even if the Scepter did its magic.
Your courtiers wonder if there is actually a limit on its power.
1105 AD, Midwinter
The Marshal and the Advisor arrive at your study, brings scrolls with them.
"MY LIEGE! I am proud to announce that our military reform draft is FULLY COMPLETE! We are ready to REFORM!!"
"It might take a few years, but with our newest bureaucratic machine well oiled, it shouldn't be long. I would advise warring with our neighbours as the changes might cause unpreparedness and problems."
"BUT SOON! SOON WE WILL BE GREAT! Just sign the papers, sire." The Marshal hands you the paper.
A) Sign it!
B) Toss it!
Post by: crazyabe on November 07, 2017, 03:45:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 07, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 07, 2017, 03:48:01 pm
Still wish we'd integrated with the Alldivines. Then we'd have regular legions as part of our religious traditions and thus far undisclosed mystical secrets!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 07, 2017, 03:50:51 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 07, 2017, 03:52:52 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 07, 2017, 03:58:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 07, 2017, 04:01:14 pm
1105 AD, Late Winter
Censuses have been sent from across the Kingdom, indicating that the population grew in recent years!
1105 AD, End of the Year
Like every other year, the Advisor arrives to present you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 6
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: 4
"There has been few more reports of tax collectors being assaulted on the roads, my liege. The governors, especially in faraway provinces, are concerned that the high taxation policy, even with our bureaucrats keeping abuse to minimum, will cause an explosion of discontent in near future."
A) "Then its time to bring taxes to usual level."
B) "Oh I'm sure we will be fine."
C) "Then its time to make soldiers into enforcers!"
Post by: crazyabe on November 07, 2017, 04:02:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 07, 2017, 04:04:04 pm
Good old happiness, not at all correlating with literally anything that's happening at any time. Probably indexed by the Spymaster, now that I think about it.
Post by: helmacon on November 07, 2017, 04:10:03 pm
It's one of our few good numbers. Give I'm a break for a few years.
Wonder how the hurthlings are doing...
Post by: Puppyguard on November 07, 2017, 04:15:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 07, 2017, 04:47:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 07, 2017, 05:00:20 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 07, 2017, 05:15:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 07, 2017, 05:35:00 pm
1106 AD, Summer
The Fireblood arrives on schedule, and the Eldricans who brought them take Methiant gemstones back to their homeland.
1106 AD, Midsummer
Your hand runs over her marble-like body, over those two large pillows of her. A giggle from her soft, red lips causes your eyes to dart upwards to her lovely, triangular face, crowned with a waterfall of long, black hairs. Those two green eyes, sparkling like gemstones, from which you cannot pry your sight.
Daetha, is her name, a beautiful name for beautiful woman of the northlands.
Is she a seductress, or a demon in disguise, or an assassin? You do not care, for her warm embrace and more than eager body suits all your carnal needs. This romance of yours, consummated many times by now, is blooming like a healthy flower in the spring.
But she was once just a maid, a maid of your palace like any other, but one evening you felt something towards her, and she was more than willing to reciprocate. Was it evening of the early summer, or was it late spring? You do not really remember, nor do you care to: your bed is no longer cold nor half-empty when you sleep in it, and that's whats important.
She asks for nothing in return but your companionship and your dedication to her. A perfect companion for a lonely King like you.
But as your lips are about to meet with her and lock in a lengthy kiss once again, the stinging thought still occurs to you - she is a maid, and you are a King. This is simply not permissible.
A) My face upon her pillows is all I need, and with enough care, nobody will know.
B) Alas, this means that soon I will need to return her to her homeland in the north.
C) Then I shall make her my wife and Queen! To damnation with those who do not approve!
Post by: helmacon on November 07, 2017, 05:39:51 pm
It was fun and all, but we gotta look to remarry soon and make a legitimate heir. She's gonna make problems if she keeps hanging around.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 07, 2017, 05:41:49 pm
Post by: omada on November 07, 2017, 05:50:53 pm
Married a talkative loved woman, her death destroyed a bit of his sanity
Married a cold one, which the insecurity of her fidelity drove us further in the abyss
after some insanity when you come back she was talkative and greedy and had to divorce her for the kingdom stability
And now, for the kingdom stability he has or to hide from all and her future spouse, or just send her back to the north B
Post by: mightymushroom on November 07, 2017, 05:51:57 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 07, 2017, 05:54:14 pm
Kings and nobles have mistresses. Hardly a scandal involved as long as you're not too open about it.
Post by: Prophet on November 07, 2017, 05:54:27 pm
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 07, 2017, 05:54:58 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 07, 2017, 05:59:17 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 07, 2017, 06:05:01 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on November 07, 2017, 06:06:31 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 07, 2017, 06:48:10 pm
By marrying a commoner, we show the common folk we care.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 07, 2017, 08:38:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 07, 2017, 08:50:02 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 07, 2017, 08:58:51 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 07, 2017, 11:18:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 07, 2017, 11:31:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 08, 2017, 12:37:16 am
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"All I need is to keep it low."
"My king?"
"I will tell you later." You push against her, ready to stay in her arms for some more time. No one to audience today anyways.
1106 AD, Late Summer
There have been few incidents with the Hurthlings, the governors in the north say. While they do seem to be rather helpful with the fields, they also get very agressive very easily.
"How aggressive?" The messenger looks at you, turning his cap in his hands.
"Err, at least twenty five peasants knife'd m'lord." You decide to...
A) Send a letter of warning to nearest Hurthling settlement.
B) Kick the Hurthlings outta your Kingdom.
C) Leave it be, they just need time to adapt.
D) Scold your subjects for angering such valuable neighbours.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 08, 2017, 12:57:47 am
Hopefully our army is ready before all these 'piss off the citizens' decisions blow up in our face.
Post by: helmacon on November 08, 2017, 01:02:40 am
hey... if you could try not to stab our people... that would be great.. thanks...
Post by: Baffler on November 08, 2017, 01:30:33 am
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 08, 2017, 01:37:59 am
Post by: Tiruin on November 08, 2017, 02:00:40 am
D THERE IS A CHANCE OUR SUBJECTS INSTIGATED THIS.Dis
Because if we do nothing, we'll just anger our subjects. And if we send letters to Hurthlings, it'll be diplomacy rolls on how good that letter is written.
Post by: ZBridges on November 08, 2017, 02:44:14 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 08, 2017, 02:50:15 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 08, 2017, 05:50:36 am
Much as I feel that a desire to knife our subjects could be a great point of commonality between us and the fanciful races, the public relations hit would be less than manageable at the present time.
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 08, 2017, 05:55:21 am
A
Much as I feel that a desire to knife our subjects could be a great point of commonality between us and the fanciful races, the public relations hit would be less than manageable at the present time.
And you think A will improve public relations more than C, or D ???
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 08, 2017, 05:57:06 am
And you think A will improve public relations more than C, or D ???
It'll likely hurt foreign relations, true, but Hurthlings were belligerent to begin with and I see no way they've justified us giving them even more benefit of the doubt than A implies.
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 08, 2017, 06:51:57 am
And you think A will improve public relations more than C, or D ???
It'll likely hurt foreign relations, true, but Hurthlings were belligerent to begin with and I see no way they've justified us giving them even more benefit of the doubt than A implies.
Perhaps because we do not know the whole story... like at all...maybe those stabbings were in self-defense.
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 08, 2017, 06:52:24 am
And you think A will improve public relations more than C, or D ???
It'll likely hurt foreign relations, true, but Hurthlings were belligerent to begin with and I see no way they've justified us giving them even more benefit of the doubt than A implies.
Perhaps because we do not know the whole story... like at all...maybe those stabbings were in self-defense?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 08, 2017, 07:30:07 am
If our underings were going to lie to us about our people abusing the hearthlings and getting stabbed in response, I don't think they'd wait for so long and then only say it so sheepishly... Not to mention we'd probably get mention from the hearthlings before now.
Like, yeah, sure, it can totally go either way, but we have to make a guess, and if the hearthlings are unnecessarily stabbing people, letting them off the hook isn't even going to be good for our long term relationship with them, letting such things simmer is just going to lead to a long term resentment that makes it even harder to make friends with them in the long term.
Too bad we don't have more info what the "warning" entails of course... There's a vast gulf between "Yo stop being assholes or we'll kill you all" and "It's come to our attention that cultural differences between our people had lead to some difficulties when interacting. I firmly believe that with time such differences can be resolved, but it's become a pressing issue that I remind the Hearthlings that when in Methiant land they need to follow Methiant laws, which include disputes to be resolved by the appropriate official and not carried out personally with a knife." Although both could be called a "warning"
Post by: Iituem on November 08, 2017, 08:31:44 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 08, 2017, 09:22:01 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 08, 2017, 09:29:58 am
A) Uncertain effectiveness. Implies they are in the wrong, which is probably true on the merits of the case but may be taken badly given their defensiveness.
B) Improves nothing. We lose potential crop bonuses beyond the range of the weather artifact.
C) Uncertain effectiveness but perhaps appears more tolerant and accepting to hurthlings. Human peasants may feel differently.
D) Probably angers peasants and northern nobles who already feel wronged.
If we were charismatic I would definitely choose A. Alas, appointing our brother Luath as Special Envoy is not presented as an option.
Know what, A anyway. We have a list of grievances, ignoring the difficulties isn't going to make them disappear. If we can't get along together, best to find out now.
Post by: omada on November 08, 2017, 09:47:33 am
Post by: Haspen on November 08, 2017, 10:39:53 am
1106 AD, Autumn
The messenger with letter sent to the Hurthlings has come back; but there's also delegation of merchants awaiting an audience, as they wish to talk about the expedition sent into Ironbone mountains. You will first speak to...
A) The messenger.
B) The merchants.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 08, 2017, 11:09:46 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 08, 2017, 11:16:18 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 08, 2017, 11:45:39 am
Post by: Detoxicated on November 08, 2017, 11:46:51 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 08, 2017, 12:08:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 08, 2017, 12:25:02 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 08, 2017, 12:56:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 08, 2017, 01:03:33 pm
Post by: omada on November 08, 2017, 01:41:34 pm
we barely have the silver right now for the trade route with gutba
Post by: ZBridges on November 08, 2017, 04:02:33 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 08, 2017, 04:44:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 08, 2017, 05:11:55 pm
He brings no letter, but instead a spoken reply from the Hurthlings.
"They say that your peasants have questioned their agricultural mastery, sire, and made some joeks about their height, so the Hurthlings has taken this as grave insult to their kind and killed the offenders and their companions as punishment." The courtiers murmur in disbelief; this is matter for negotiation and the courts, not wanton murder!
You decide to...
A) Ignore this incident.
B) Demand from northern governors to make the people less offensive to Hurthlings.
C) Demand from the Hurthlings to be a bit more friendlier and less aggressive.
D) Just kick Hurthlings outta Methiant, this cooperation deal won't work if this keeps happening.
Post by: crazyabe on November 08, 2017, 05:17:42 pm
Aggressive hurthlings is a slightly good thing, Reduces the risks of an invasion near them.
Post by: ZBridges on November 08, 2017, 05:18:36 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on November 08, 2017, 05:28:57 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 08, 2017, 05:36:55 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 08, 2017, 05:37:45 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 08, 2017, 05:38:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 08, 2017, 07:29:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 08, 2017, 08:06:20 pm
Let's not forget, they do owe us, not the other way around.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 08, 2017, 08:15:32 pm
Dear sirs,
It has come to our attention that there is a rising tide of intolerance toward our Hurthling bretheren. While the crown sympathizes with those who have lost loved ones, we are certain that you also keep in mind, as ever, the friendliness toward our allies that is our government policy at all levels. When one works side by side with a person or persons known to be short-tempered and sensitive in regard to their stature, then perhaps it is best not to insult them to the point of murderous rage.
Signed,
His Majesty, by the Grace of the Gods and All the Divine, King of Methiant, Lord of Felonsein, Warden of Tven, et cetera,
Yoe, second of that name
Post by: Baffler on November 08, 2017, 11:17:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 08, 2017, 11:22:42 pm
Post by: Shadowclaw777 on November 08, 2017, 11:24:57 pm
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 09, 2017, 01:06:49 am
Post by: omada on November 09, 2017, 10:40:02 am
E, a combination of C and B, see I was right, they were provoked!yes, No options to send letters to both sides?
Post by: Haspen on November 09, 2017, 04:11:17 pm
Next is the group of merchants who were trying to make a route through the southern mountains.
"My liege! Our expedition has been a disaster, and we lost so many goods and loyal workers." They bemoan their losses for a while before they get to important points.
"Orcs, always a nuisance, has been living in the centre of the mountains and have raided the caravan three times. The survivors then stumbled into the Damdamian Republic or the lands of Gubta, but wars and chaos prevented them from coming back until lately. The Crown agreed to sponsor out expedition, yes, but our losses still need to be covered, good King!"
You decide to...
A) Cover their losses by the way of sponsoring another expedition to the Gubta.
B) Toss some money at them so they get lost.
C) Order them out as you won't be spending more money on this foolish endeavour.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 09, 2017, 04:44:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 09, 2017, 04:49:47 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 09, 2017, 04:55:54 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 09, 2017, 04:59:24 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 09, 2017, 05:04:18 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 09, 2017, 05:25:15 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 09, 2017, 05:31:42 pm
Post by: melkor on November 09, 2017, 06:08:28 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 09, 2017, 06:20:40 pm
Orcs! The final frontier!
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2017, 06:53:50 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 09, 2017, 07:15:55 pm
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 09, 2017, 08:59:30 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 09, 2017, 09:15:31 pm
Their project is a clear money pit. We need to make a real investment. Maybe we can use our excess food to our advantage...
Post by: Kashyyk on November 10, 2017, 02:09:35 am
Post by: Imic on November 10, 2017, 05:55:10 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 10, 2017, 03:16:06 pm
Their project is a clear money pit. We need to make a real investment. Maybe we can use our excess food to our advantage...
I don't think it's all that expensive - 1 economy every few years for a chance to discover something interesting, which can potentially include excellent trade routes, valuable resources, mystical treasure, political connections or just plain old good fun with orcs.
Post by: omada on November 10, 2017, 03:47:08 pm
We don't have the silver to trade with gutba (point for C), but we have nice relations with them right now that we might win something somehow, with luck(Point for A?) we have few money, we aren't anymore the rich guys of this place maybe we should even stop trading gemstones for fireblood (point for C) but there is always the chance of find something else (point for A)
I would be certain of my vote if A means "let's turn all the stones of these mountains and wage war against the orcs in their homeland, see whatever hidden treasures we have in these mountains and create secrets trade routes to the gutba or the republic" because we can find mines and shit, i mean, how the orcs arm themselves? Stone swords or metals? If metal, be it cooper or iron, they only get it from travellers or they MINE it somewhere?
(The mountain name is IRONBONE,it is because of the orcs or we do have something to untap here?)
Post by: Haspen on November 10, 2017, 04:49:18 pm
ccccccc
Your sponsor another expedition into southeast, this one is gonna have less negotiatiors and haulers, and more enforcers and bodyguards.
1106 AD, Mid-Autumn
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According to your agents, the governors in the north grumbled about your decision but managed to rein your subjects in. Luckily, this seems to have calmed down the Hurthlings as well, as no further incidents have been reported so far.
1106 AD, Winter
A letter has arrived via messenger from King Calahan III of Ceodwell.
The letter is short and concise; in it, King Calahan III declares that any proposals and marriage arrangements between his Kingdom and Kingdom of Methiant are null and void, as he does not wish to have your children influence his relatives - especially that his predecessor's 'son' has been found actually a bastard and also face-down in a swamp outside the Ceodwellian capital. Accidents happen.
A) This is an insult to my family! Calahan III better pay for this in silver, or else!
B) Fine with me, he can marinate in his isolation all he wants.
C) If words written on a paper mean so little to him, let's see how much he cares about words written upon our UNSHEATHED SWORDS!
Post by: Puppyguard on November 10, 2017, 04:52:19 pm
We can always declare war if he says no.
Post by: birdy51 on November 10, 2017, 04:55:44 pm
But we must finish our reforms first. Going to war now in our current state is suicidal.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 10, 2017, 05:05:43 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 10, 2017, 05:06:54 pm
Anyway, B. Military reforms aren't done yet and really, who honestly gives a shit about Ceodwell anyway?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 10, 2017, 05:09:57 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2017, 05:13:20 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 10, 2017, 05:15:20 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 10, 2017, 05:17:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 10, 2017, 05:18:36 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 10, 2017, 05:19:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 10, 2017, 05:42:29 pm
"Greetings, King Yoe! My lord and king, Ceodwell X, was most pleased to hear that you agree to have your daughter marry his son. For this, he wrote a guarantee that says his nation to be damned if the contract is broken by his family or nobles." The envoy moves up to your throne and hands you the scroll. Ceodwell X must like you very much if he is risking such a guarantee for almost fifteen years - after all, one unfortunate accident plus one uppity cousin and things might turn ugly very quickly.
Voting A, keeping C in reserve, but really only because of the state of our treasury.
And sending letters to the temples and alldivine cloisters to pass our complaints up the chain. Broken oaths are not to be taken lightly.
Post by: omada on November 10, 2017, 06:01:06 pm
we can afford the first (by afford i mean, we can go Blietzkrieg style on their asses like we did with salus, and the thundercats are going to help us keep the speed while being as mortal as the blackhearts
best case always welcome.
We will be know as a family that never accept an break of contract lightly and a nation that knows how to make a war clean and profitable (Against cydwyll we beaten their horses that were bigger than us in number in a single night and made them offer 5 wealth for this, against Salus our king died, but we fragmented two nations at the same time, against Felonsien there wasn't even a proper war, the only bloodshed was old lametania sending troops to fail, Donuth we won then with I don't know, few battles? The only battles that we lost a lot of troops was against cydwyll and Lametania where we lost Yoe I)
Post by: Twinwolf on November 10, 2017, 06:17:30 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 10, 2017, 07:36:56 pm
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 11, 2017, 05:53:53 am
Post by: Haspen on November 11, 2017, 06:46:55 am
1106 AD, End of the Year
The scrolls are brought to you as tradition dictates.
Happiness: 6
Population: 7
Economy: 3
Army: 4
"Sire, our Treasury is slowly emptying. Shall we raise taxes again?"
A) "Nay."
B) "Yea."
Post by: Arlos on November 11, 2017, 08:47:57 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 11, 2017, 08:58:20 am
As much as it would be good to tax the everloving pennies out of the populous, our last attempt to do so have been fruitless. We must find ways to look ahead and make money, not just take it.
Post by: Imic on November 11, 2017, 09:08:32 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 11, 2017, 09:44:27 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 11, 2017, 09:46:37 am
I disagree that the previous effort was "fruitless." It did exactly what we thought it would do, then was voted down again after hints of rumbles from the peasants.
Without the "extra" taxes our treasury income is zero. Any incidental spending, such as expeditions into the mountains, will be deficit spending.
B I want to try to get the treasury number back to 4; conditions should be reassessed year by year.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 11, 2017, 09:48:52 am
Post by: omada on November 11, 2017, 09:53:40 am
B
+2money from normal taxes -1 from boureacracy -1 from military =0
+1 extra taxes = 1
Post by: crazyabe on November 11, 2017, 10:35:48 am
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2017, 11:40:15 am
Post by: Arlos on November 11, 2017, 12:01:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 11, 2017, 12:08:30 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 11, 2017, 01:21:57 pm
We need money to make money.
Post by: helmacon on November 11, 2017, 02:11:10 pm
just for a year
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 11, 2017, 03:19:39 pm
B
just for a year
Suurrre. Just a year.
B
Post by: Haspen on November 11, 2017, 03:28:11 pm
1107 AD, Spring
Out of nowhere, one evening, the Spymaster bumps into you.
"Good evening, my liege. I bring news that might interest you."
"Oh?"
"A certain lady, from the northlands, who is working at your castle, is expecting a child." It takes you few moments before you realized what he means. You decide to...
A) Remove Deatha from the palace and arrange a cozy house for her somewhere in the capital city.
B) Ask the healers to get rid of the child.
C) Hastily arrange to make her your newest Queen.
D) Arrange for Deatha to disappear. Permamently.
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2017, 03:33:06 pm
Changed to A.
Post by: Iituem on November 11, 2017, 03:34:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 11, 2017, 03:36:56 pm
D. Ask the spymaster to get rid of Deatha.
Sure thing.
Post by: crazyabe on November 11, 2017, 03:38:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 11, 2017, 03:41:08 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 11, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 11, 2017, 03:59:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 11, 2017, 03:59:58 pm
Changing my vote to A because I don't much care for option D winning.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 11, 2017, 04:01:52 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 11, 2017, 04:08:50 pm
It's not actualy all that uncommon given the time period.
Post by: birdy51 on November 11, 2017, 04:10:52 pm
She may not be our wife, but eh. We're not exactly married either, so our bed business is our own!
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2017, 04:14:22 pm
A
Post by: Draignean on November 11, 2017, 04:19:11 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 11, 2017, 04:27:57 pm
A
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2017, 04:32:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 11, 2017, 05:04:48 pm
1107 AD, Summer
The greatest, or mayhaps most overcomplicated, nation in the south has just been born: Holy Damdamian Empire.
The despotic rulers of the Imperial part of the nation torn by the civil war finally reached an agreement with their republican, plutocratic counterparts. They have established a charter for domains and kingdoms and states and duchies and margraviates or whatever is the names.
In the Holy Damdamian Empire, there will be an 'Imperial Domain', directly ruled by the current Emperor, Aurius Messus, and his descendants. He will be ultimate authority in matters of the law and military, but that's it. All the rest of Damdamia will be split into Duchies, Margraviates and States.
Duchies are domains of those of Damdamian politicians who embrace the idea of hereditary, aristocratic rule. There are only several such domains, established for the wealthiest and most powerful of Senators, who supported the Imperial front of the fifty-years long conflict.
Margraviates are few special territories, bordering certain nations, and said Marches will be heavily fortified (one such March, the Margraviate of Rucus, borders the Lametanian domains just south of Methiant). Their rulers will wield considerably more military power than otherwise equal Dukes.
States are domains where plutocrat councils are in power. These will carry on the republican spirit of the Damdamia, although their construction, specific laws and elective process are up to them. Most of them are in the centre and south-east of Damdamia, where populous cities, prosperous mines and bontiful plantations and farms lie.
While all these little states and duchies and whatnots have certain degree of autonomy, they ultimately report to the Emperor. The guarantee of unity between the monarchic and republican lords and politicians will be the Cult of Damed; the Emperor is no longer the highest religious authority nor considered 'Avatar of Damed'. The Cult will carry on the culture of Damdamians and keep the domain stable, but all the territories have to uphold the Cult's religious superiority, and help spread the 'only true Faith' outside the Empire (with either scriptures or swords).
This all has been explained to you via a letter from one of your southernmost administrators, who keeps a relationship with certain noble lady of Lametania, who kept tabs on the conflict for past few years.
Your courtiers are rather upset at this, because united and stable Damdamia is Damdamia that turns its eyes toward its neighbours, and never in history that has been a good thing. Thus, the Spymaster's agents shall concentrate their efforts on the south for a (possibly long) while.
1107 AD, Midsummer
Terrible disaster occured in Luathbas; the crowded, overbuilt city fell victim for a fire. In but one night, the fire spread across most of the city, destroying hundreds of buildings and killing thousands of your subjects. A week later, the city was mostly ruined and its people have nothing to begin their lives anew. The governor of Luathbas begs the Crown to donate relief money and supplies immediately.
You decide to...
A) Write an inspirational letter in which you explain that you have faith in the ability of citizens of Luathbas to carry on and rebuild with naught but their willpower and hardiness.
B) Refuse to support the relief efforts, citing lack of funds to properly do so.
C) Send a single caravan of money and supplies, but nothing more.
D) Establish yearly donations for next five years - a huge city like Luathbas won't rise from ashes with a single donation, after all.
Post by: omada on November 11, 2017, 05:25:01 pm
Spoiler: My vote for the baby stuff that i took to long to write (click to show/hide)
Reactions to damdamian stuff
1.What the fuck is a margraviates? Marches? i am gonna search in the end of my reading
2.NICE COMPLICATION, they will end in a more weird civil war very easily
3. hmmm, church in power, never good.
4. "help spread the 'only true Faith' outside the Empire (with either scriptures or swords)." NONONONO NOT AGAIN, FUCK YOU DAMDAMIAN NO NO NO NO NO NO
5.(after google search)Oh fuck, military reinforced borders, DAMN YOU CULT OF DAMNED
6. Okay, what was that idea of "keeping a kind of union between the small nations" like we planned in the beginning? we need that now
We can't afford D right now.
A is pure luck B is hapiness death C is a bit of luck.
God damn, next time a foreign nation comes asking for resources for trade and we don't have, we must try to talk with our allies or neighboors to become proxies on this thing. what if eldrican had silver/gold for trade? we could bring salt/spices whatever
Post by: Criptfeind on November 11, 2017, 05:36:00 pm
B
No representation without taxation.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 11, 2017, 05:48:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2017, 05:49:33 pm
Also the Damdamians.... well I see our ancient enemy has reformed. Those damn Damdamians who fought and destroyed the beautiful Lauthbas of old. Who brought their swords against us in the name of their heathen Cult of Damed and poisoned our ears with their lies. They are dishonorable scum and we must prepare ourselves to fight them anywhere and everywhere they wish to sink their diseased fangs into! For our future and the future of all people who claim descent from the Kingdom of Luathbas!
Post by: ZBridges on November 11, 2017, 05:51:33 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 11, 2017, 05:54:03 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 11, 2017, 05:57:48 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 11, 2017, 06:04:04 pm
C is probably the best we dare to do. It's too bad that our Lucky ruler hasn't uncovered any more natural resources. Our economy just isn't getting anywhere . . . darn Middle Ages.
Post by: omada on November 11, 2017, 06:15:03 pm
[Plus I think it's important for if we want to ever get the chance to proclaim ourselves Lauthbas reborn. As we do control the core territories of the old Kingdom.
NO, i am almost believing the city of Luathbas as cursed. COME ON, we conquer it we lose, we siege it half of population die
we do nothing half of the city die in the flames
In the day we declare ourselves the second kingdom of Luathbas reborn the damdamians are gonna screw us again USAHUSAUHSAHUSA :v
Post by: helmacon on November 11, 2017, 07:43:54 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 11, 2017, 08:30:18 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 11, 2017, 08:34:41 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 11, 2017, 10:20:25 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 12, 2017, 01:17:43 am
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 05:06:34 am
ccccc
ddddd
Bluuuuuh.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 12, 2017, 05:06:59 am
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 05:21:16 am
1107 AD, Late Summer
The caravan of Fireblood supplies, a bit late, arrives in your Palace. The Eldrican merchants take your gemstones happily.
1107 AD, Autumn
Ula, is her name. The name of your newborn bastard daughter.
You thank the Spymaster for the report and dismiss him...
A) Back to his work.
B) With a love letter to Deatha.
C) With ancient royal dress as gift for Deatha.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 12, 2017, 05:25:11 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 12, 2017, 06:44:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 12, 2017, 07:15:20 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 08:33:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 12, 2017, 09:06:47 am
I think we deserve a continued, decent relationship after our last marriage.
This certainly ain't it, however.
A
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 12, 2017, 09:23:05 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 12, 2017, 11:00:26 am
To continue the relationship we should have kept her nearer. A clean break is best.
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 12:44:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 12:45:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 12:48:09 pm
1107 AD, Winter
You receive interesting news. The dwarven cities of Zasitost and Ankurvat became quite active lately. Even now, numerous merchant and soldier parties travel through Methiant countryside, opting to stay out of cities and inns if they can.
Few days later, you receive a delegation from newest King of Lametania, Umar. Apparently sending envoys to you was first thing he did, according to the diplomats themselves.
"Greetings, King Yoe II of Methiant! We bring offer of military cooperation from our master, King Umar." Your courtiers murmur while the Advisor steps forward with a question.
"What kind of cooperation are we talking about here?"
"Your soldiers help King Umar maintain safety on the borders and the roads of the Kingdom; in return, we will send you gold in yearly manner." Your courtiers murmur even louder.
You decide to...
A) Demand more money for the services of your soldiers.
B) Reject the offer for cooperation.
C) Agree to the deal.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 12:53:34 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 12, 2017, 12:57:10 pm
Post by: melkor on November 12, 2017, 01:21:25 pm
A
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 01:25:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 01:29:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 12, 2017, 01:34:37 pm
I just hope nobody jumps us in the space of time between us accepting this deal and completing our military reforms.
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 01:35:44 pm
1107 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor visits you in the library, where you have been reading a copy of '"The Golden Years of Houlandines'. You close the book and prepare for the worst.
Happiness: 5
Population: 7
Economy: 3
Army: 4
"Our Treasury barely made it even this year, my lord. Shall we extend the period of raised taxes for another year?"
A) "But of course, we cannot go bankrupt!"
B) "No, otherwise people will get angry."
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 01:38:18 pm
We have the military money now. I don't want to drop happiness below 5.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 12, 2017, 01:39:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 01:40:01 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 12, 2017, 01:43:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 12, 2017, 01:46:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 01:47:16 pm
A
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 01:52:13 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 02:01:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 02:06:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 02:10:19 pm
1108 AD, Spring
First few hundred soldiers has been sent south to Lametania. You receive a letter from King Umar; he has sent those men to patrol Lametanian roads as banditry has been on the raise in last few years.
1108 AD, Summer
You receive an envoy from Kingdom of Cydwyl.
"Wise King Yoe, my mistress has noticed that your Kingdom possesses certain siege machines that are of interest to our military. We have little in ways of producing Fireblood or making machines using it, therefore Queen Dogethe wishes to procure Fireblood components from your alchemists so that our military can begin their own project." Your courtiers and military officers present grumble and whisper. You do not have enough to supply two countries in the same time, and the military of course wouldn't want the the Cydwyls to catch up technologically (it's enough that they're curbstomping their neighbours without use of Fireblood).
You consider the offer and decide to...
A) Agree to pass Fireblood ingredients from Eldrican further to Cydwyl, but demanding very high price for them.
B) Attempt to sell services of your military designers and Fireblood alchemists instead.
C) Refuse to sell your military equipment and/or secrets to Queen Dogethe.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 02:11:41 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 02:14:18 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 02:25:34 pm
And the Queen did swear eternal friendship with Methiant... Not that such promises seem to me that much to npc nations.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 12, 2017, 02:33:30 pm
As much as I'm loathe to trust her ambition, I'm less afraid of her than I am of the Damdamians. We need both money and our own fireblood, however, so I say we take a shot at B.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 12, 2017, 02:35:47 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 12, 2017, 02:38:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 02:44:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 02:45:25 pm
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After some time, this is what you and the envoys managed to come up with: you would send your men up north for a period of five years and receive money after that period; the amount of money received would be approximately 6 years of taxes.
A) This is fine, we have a deal, gentlemen!
B) No, this won't do, let's try something else.
C) Half now and half later, just in case.
D) No, this won't do. Begone from my court!
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 02:57:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 12, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
(Although our "professional" training plans should include dedicated ordnance officers, if the generals are forward-thinking.)
But that's a lot of monies. Uhhh . . . C
@Prophet: I assume that if we got it, Cydwyl could get it somehow. Might as well get paid for it. You want dangerous betrayal scenarios? In addition to Damdamian theocracy, I believe Eldrican our fireblood supplier is Damed worshippers as well (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7599932#msg7599932). Which side will they take in a fight?
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 03:18:51 pm
C
for now
Post by: birdy51 on November 12, 2017, 03:30:18 pm
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They agree wholeheartedly. Queen Dogethe must be in dire need of Fireblood if her diplomats are so easy to convince.
Few days later, your senior alchemists and engineers leave with the envoys, to work for Queen Dogethe's Fireblood program.
1108 AD, Midsummer
A certain prospector arrives at your palace.
"Greetings, King Yoe! While I was doing my work this year, I stumbled upon some old prospecting ledgers that once belonged to a town governor from lands that once belonged to Donuth. In these ledgers, I've found enough evidence to conclude that the Tven mountains are abundant in silver ore!" The courtiers whisper amongst themselves, as a new silver mine would solve many, many problems that popped up recently.
"However, I am of no wealth or fame to pull off a mining endeavour like this. Therefore, I must ask the Crown to provide me with money and supplies so that I can prospect and dig the silver mines." You decide to...
A) Sponsor the prospector and send some money with him.
B) Reject his offer, as you are currently on tight budget.
C) Ask him to tell him more about Tven mountains, the ledgers, and everything else of note.
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He obliges eagerly, weaving a tale about how he procured the ledgers from a band of adventurers who profited during the conquest of Donuth (they looted it from abandoned governor's house), and how he made research of the ledgers' contents, and then he tells you about Tven mountains and the ores and stones that were found there, and how it means that silver is there.
Unfortunately for him, you recently read a book about geology, and some details you remember simply don't work with what he said. After being confronted with this, the prospector gets nervous and tries to 'straighten' his tale but only digs him deeper. Soon, the charlatan is hauled away to the royal dungeons!
The Advisor strokes his beard for a while and then leans toward you.
"My liege, while he was a lair, in every tale there is a seed of truth. Mayhaps we should send our own agents to check the area in the mountains he described?"
A) "Sure, a cursory search won't hurt."
B) "Nah, they will only discover the obvious."
Post by: milo christiansen on November 12, 2017, 05:23:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 05:28:29 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 12, 2017, 05:29:17 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 05:33:38 pm
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Post by: Haspen on November 12, 2017, 05:41:43 pm
1108 AD, Autumn
Money arrives from Queen Dogethe! Per agreement, it equals three years of taxation.
1108 AD, Winter
As every year, gemstones mined out in the south are sent east to Eldrican.
Few days later, during a rather peaceful winter evening, you entertain yourself by reading some sultry books penned by some bards. As the night falls and your yawning reminds you it is time to sleep, suddenly you hear a roar louder than any thunder and flash of light outside.
You run up to the window and grimace at the sight.
The keep outside the capital, where the alchemists and engineers were working on Fireblood, is now half its original height, and giant blaze is bursting upwards from it. Why does bad luck hound you and your kingdom recently? Does the divine dice roll nothing but 1s as of late?
Few days later.
You thank the city guard for his report on extinguishing the fire, and the Royal Alchemist walks up to your throne to deliver his report.
"My liege, we have lost three years worth of supply of Fireblood components. At least five Thundercats have been destroyed, with several older Blackhearts also lost. We laso lost a whole cadre of young engineers who were training to operate our Fireblood engines. I beseech you to donate to our alchemist caste, otherwise our designs, nay, whole FIreblood endeavour will be delayed by several years."
You decide to...
A) Give them only some money, so at least they can get started with rebuilding.
B) Donate heavily to alchemists; Fireblood and Thundercats are of utmost importance of Methiant military.
C) Refuse to give them money, as the Treasury is rather empty nowadays.
Post by: Draignean on November 12, 2017, 05:45:44 pm
Gotta spend money to make explosions.
Post by: ZBridges on November 12, 2017, 05:47:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 05:49:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 05:50:31 pm
*Prophet sighs*
Though I still don't regret sending relief funds to the city of Luathbas. War Machines are a lot easier to rebuild than an ancient city filled with centuries of history, culture, and wealth.
Post by: birdy51 on November 12, 2017, 05:56:15 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 12, 2017, 05:59:54 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 12, 2017, 06:07:02 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 12, 2017, 06:14:36 pm
Are you all moaning about the money reading the same thread I am?
We have the new income from Lametanian co-defense. This brings income even to committed expenses (and without raising taxes!).
We got +3 from Cydwyl. This is money just sitting in the vault right now. We should be at 5 or 6, depending whether those prospectors cost anything.
Prudence is still a virtue, but we got this. Chill.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 12, 2017, 06:26:53 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on November 12, 2017, 06:36:27 pm
Maybe we should marry another woman
Post by: Puppyguard on November 12, 2017, 06:49:02 pm
Our treasury is getting emptier and emptier...
Post by: Criptfeind on November 12, 2017, 06:59:44 pm
This brings income even to committed expenses
This is what we're worried about. Expenses are normally sudden, whereas income is normally steady. So "holding even on average" is actually a really bad thing, most of the time it's going to lead to us slowly sliding down until we run out of money. Now, we do have a lot of loose cash laying around, but it's going to drain away over time until we find new income sources, that extra jolt of cash is going to need to carry us until we get more money flowing in, so spending it extravagantly on things we don't really need is a pretty poor idea.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 12, 2017, 07:34:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 12, 2017, 07:50:41 pm
Yeah, I'd rather save that for a sudden expense instead of another yearly drain on our wealth.
Respectfully, I'm pretty sure this is a sudden expense. The choice doesn't say anything about giving yearly.
(Comparing it to the clear language of the Luathbas disaster relief.)
The fiscal argument is sound, and indeed I am aware of the pitfall of even income. I'm just ... surprised ... that this would be considered so "extravagant." There have been voices worried about a resurgent Damdamia. Or even sudden betrayal by nearer neighbors. The army number has stagnated for many years as well, and it's been nearly as long since anything has happened to test it – since before our period of madness. Right now our treasury is greater than our army. We can raise taxes for a time if need be, but how else do we bolster our military?
Very well, if A is good enough for everyone else, it's good enough for me.
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 07:53:41 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 12, 2017, 07:54:50 pm
A
Post by: mightymushroom on November 12, 2017, 08:01:02 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 12, 2017, 08:12:53 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 12, 2017, 08:40:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 12, 2017, 08:44:43 pm
Stupid divine dice...
Post by: Arlos on November 12, 2017, 08:54:21 pm
B
Post by: crazyabe on November 12, 2017, 09:45:33 pm
I'm curious Haspen, do you actually rolls for our event?Sorceress, We got prosperity for the people, but screwed over our luck at the same time.
B
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 12:43:35 am
bbbbbbbbb
You decide to give the alchemists lots of money to keep Fireblood flowing.
1108 AD, Midwinter
Money from Lametania arrives in your Treasury, with letter of thanks from King Umar; your soldiers helped get rid of most bandit groups by now.
1108 AD, End of the Year
You walk back and forth in your chambers till the arrival of the Advisor and those Scrolls of Kingdom Status he has. As he gets here, you cautiously open these sacred parchments...
Happiness: 5
Population: 7
Economy: 5
Army: 3
You see a three where you defintiely wouldn't want to see it.
"What happened there?"
"Well," The Advisor scratches his beard, "Our Fireblood stocks went in flames, some soldiers are in Lametania, and senior alchemists and engineers in Cydwyl and thus unavailable..."
"Right, right."
1109 AD, Spring
Another incidents with the Hurthlings happened.
This time, some of the bolder little peoples decided to go and hunt for some game animals. It would be fine if they weren't hunting in an hunting glade reserved for local nobleman and his potential guests. The hunting continued for a while before the locals noticed, and over forty animals (mostly boars) have been killed.
This has angered the nobleman in question, who took justice into his hands and killed the leader of this hunting group, said leader being son of a prominent Hurthling clan. There has been brawls and muggings on the border with hurthlings due to this, the report from northern governor says.
You decide to...
A) Send a letter to Hurthlings, telling them to get off Methiant soil forever.
B) Demand that the nobleman compensates the Hurthlings.
C) Send a letter to Hurthlings, asking that they do not break the law anymore, or there will be consequences.
D) Ignore this incident.
E) Send letters to both parties, urging them to find a peaceful solution to this dispute.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 13, 2017, 12:48:18 am
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 12:51:43 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 13, 2017, 01:03:55 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 13, 2017, 01:05:10 am
Post by: helmacon on November 13, 2017, 01:06:43 am
The same sentiment, but the opposite choice.
Are our military reforms fully implemented yet?
Post by: milo christiansen on November 13, 2017, 02:28:05 am
One reason I'm all fired up about a professional standing army is that, historically, they were a powerful weapon for breaking the power of the nobility. So long as the army is kept loyal, and the citizens happy, we can tell the nobility to go jump in a lake.
It goes without saying that keeping noble parasites out of the army is a top priority. In the same vein, sending our heir to the military (and not giving him special privileges while there) is also a very smart thing to do.
At some point we will probably have to found some kind of pointless display force (probably a "elite" cavalry company) as a dumping ground for noble's sons, just to keep them out of any real positions of military power.
Ally the crown with the Commons, and staff the military with commoners, and we will rule supreme.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 13, 2017, 02:29:40 am
D
Post by: Iituem on November 13, 2017, 02:46:21 am
E specifically combining both B and C; the Hurthlings have to abide by the laws if they want to remain here, but even if you are a nobleman you cannot just go around killing people without paying the weregild.
Post by: birdy51 on November 13, 2017, 08:42:02 am
And who knows. With a professional army, maybe, if we screw up really badly, we can see the Marshal declaring himself king!
Post by: mightymushroom on November 13, 2017, 09:12:49 am
I'm aiming for the long term when we finally transition to a SPAMREPUBLIC.
Post by: omada on November 13, 2017, 10:15:42 am
The fuck are wrong with you noble? talk to the king first and we would send a letter to them, now you lost reason
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 10:42:48 am
1109 AD, Mid-Spring
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The situation along the border with Hurthlings only deteriorated. While the nobleman was somewhat willing to compromise, the Hurthlings weren't and this resulted in some more scuffles, until an actual skirmish ensued when Methiant militia men tried to apprehend some Hurthlings caught red-handed. This spread to nearby Hurthling settlement and also involved reinforcements, so as you read the report there are at least hundred dead (two-thirds being Hurthlings).
Courtiers are split and arguing; some believe dealing with Hurthlings was a bad idea, some believe they need time and space to adapt, and some call for outright punitive expedition.
A) Yep, gotta punish those little bastards and raid their lands for replying to our good intentions with naught but murder.
B) No no no, they definitely need to be forgiven and mayhaps we should 'tutor' our peasants a bit harsher.
C) What you talking about, kick the Hurthlings outta Methiant and be done with it!
Post by: omada on November 13, 2017, 10:59:23 am
B) Try a bit harder, shit wouldn't be that far if our noblemen didn't killed the son of a chieftain
C) Lose hurthlings and the end.
What their chieftains say about it? They need our help, and their subordinates are doing shit
Remember that we dealed with a sorceress.
The fire on the thundercats plus the hurthlings revolt must be the result of that.
The question is, should we kick the hurthlings and wait for the magic returns to normal for a possible future contact or should we try a little harder to make it work?
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 11:04:11 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 11:29:30 am
C Even at their best, back in the heyday of Lauthbaus, they were annoying little shits. We're not even getting a benefit now and they're acting out even worse.
Post by: crazyabe on November 13, 2017, 11:46:17 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 13, 2017, 12:06:45 pm
They're just going to cause us even more trouble.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 13, 2017, 12:10:41 pm
I say C. We can't abide Hurthlings openly defying the law of the land.
Post by: helmacon on November 13, 2017, 12:18:45 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 13, 2017, 12:46:32 pm
I hate to let them go, but they have been just so very troublesome and quarrelsome. They still stand to gain at this point, and we just want them gone.
Post by: Detoxicated on November 13, 2017, 01:47:30 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 13, 2017, 02:02:47 pm
Let's just throw the buggers out and invade them later if we really want what they're selling, because this really is ridiculous.
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 02:21:08 pm
1109 AD, Summer
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It seems that Hurthlings are listening; they're packing up and leave, and no Methiantese peasants are out of their way to harass them, but they're not helping either, cementing a cold and mutual distate between the races.
Could be worse, though.
Meanwhile, the caravan of Fireblood components arrives in the capital, the minerals are exchanged for gemstones.
1109 AD, Winter
The chilly day gives out to even colder night, the red afternoon sky fades into midnight blue of the night, the crescent moon glowing fiercely on the sky. Everyone is aflutter due to last night's shower of falling stars, which was visible and quite impressive, thanks to cloudless night.
As you move through the corridors, you bump into a maid. She looks a bit pale and is clearly exhausted.
"Apologies, my lord, I haven't been feeling well today."
A) She's clearly ill, she's ought to be sent to the healer.
B) She's clearly tired, she's ought to have some wine and warmth of the fireplace.
C) She's clearly unfit to serve, she's ought to be cast unto the streets!
Post by: Detoxicated on November 13, 2017, 02:22:29 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 02:27:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 13, 2017, 02:30:45 pm
I have this terrible suspicion that Deatha was a result of the sorceress' blessing, considering the circumstances. Hope there isn't some kind of death curse siccing the maids on us.
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 02:35:51 pm
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You decide to lead her to the healers. You don't get far before the maid clutches her stomach - or chest, you're not sure - in pain and leans downwards. Great, there will be a floor mess soon-
Ye gods! Instead of barfing like any normal sick person would do, a ribbed black appendage bursts from her mouth. In a cacophony of clicks, sizzles and very quiet shrieks, the maid stands upright, her chest bursting open and a set of four, scythe-like legs extending from her exposed ribcage, the visible bones wrapped in mass of black tentacles.
The horrid tentacle-ant-maid-thing then bursts a lobster-like tail from between its legs and goes as qaudruped. Its tongue-tube-thing extends towards you, and only now you notice triple row of needle-like teeth decorating its tight throat tunnel.
Drooling and clicking widly, this monster from other world advances towards you!!
a) fuckin hell run away and to the left there's guard tower there, or was it healers? fuk this why its always me
b) aaaah what the fuck time to run and go left that's were the mess hall is the masses gotta help or maybe some damn guards will b around for once
c) fuck this and evacuate through the window and if you remember correctly there's some roof underneath or stables or somethin
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 02:47:37 pm
Anyway, Mess Hall is guaranteed to have guards, although not as many as the guard tower. I'd rather not lead the insecto-maid into a bunch of healers though, so B
Post by: ZBridges on November 13, 2017, 02:54:50 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 02:57:50 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 13, 2017, 03:01:09 pm
B
Post by: Arlos on November 13, 2017, 03:01:48 pm
... I fucking hate magic.
Post by: Baffler on November 13, 2017, 03:04:49 pm
Let's also hope that there's just the one in the castle and there's nothing chrysalid-related happening in the mess hall at the moment.
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 03:05:17 pm
Also next time they call us crazy for wanting a wizard point this out because this definitely isn't a trick of the eyes like they thought our vision of our wife as a ghost was. If we don't die horribly and painfully that is.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 13, 2017, 03:07:05 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 13, 2017, 03:07:39 pm
Wizard are fine though.
Post by: crazyabe on November 13, 2017, 03:40:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 03:58:24 pm
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Be it adrenaline, luck or good memory, you do end up in the mess hall. Even better, the afternoon shift of guards has just finished and corwded the mess hall. They look at you confused as you run between tables, almost tumbling over the chairs, but once the lobster-alien-maid-beast bursts through the door, the crowd begins to use what they have at hand. Some are able to draw bows and crossbows, but others simple throw their swords, hatchets and even nearby knives, mugs and other objects at the beast.
The terrifying monster bites some poor sod's face off, and three other are sliced up by the frontal scythe-limbs of the beast, and the battle continues as you huggle the hall's corner.
But some lucky potshots slow it down, wounds pile up on its carapace, and then, in one moment, one brave man jumps onto a table to match the beast's height and smashes his trusty axe into the monster's head!
You don't get to congratulate the hero of the day as the dying monster releases, along with an ear-piercing, haunting shriek, a burst of acidic blood that melts the man's face off and kills him seconds later later.
Few days later...
All in all, there has been fourteen casualties, including seven dead. A cursory investigation into his horrifying, bizarre attack reveals that the poor maid that became the monster has been complaining of fever as early as the midnight right after the shower of falling stars. She later complained to one of fellow maids that she felt 'as if I swallowed a fly'.
Your best scholars, astrologists and worldly courtiers will try to find the cause of this... terror from the other world.
1109 AD, Midwinter
A report arrives from northern governors; no more Hurthlings are in Methiant, and the security on the border with Tiftits has been strenghtened to ensure none of these deplorable little bastards stir up trouble again.
1109 AD, End of the Year
You contemplate your fine cotton robes while leisurely sipping on some mulled wine, in one of your favorite chambers that has a fireplace. The time of leisure is up, becomes the Advisor brings the Scrolls of Kingdom Status to your room.
Happiness: 5
Population: 7
Economy: 5
Army: 3
You tap on the chair's arm. You need to work those numbers up somehow.
1110 AD, Spring
Your military officers, now clad in scale mail and winged helmets, bring joyous news - the reforms of military organizations are over! The new Marshal, clad in silver and feathers, salutes you.
"My liege! I report that the change of the Army has been accomplished! No longer we will depend on the Alldivine zealots! Within half a year, the change will be announced to all governors and noblemen! Young men across Luathbas will receive notices of mandatory conscription in about the same amount of time. Our kingdom shall be as strong as never before!"
Congratulations! Kingdom of Methiant successfully reorganized its Army to a professional and mandatory training model:
You will no longer be able to procure services of religious mercenaries from Alldivine Cloisters.
The Army will continuously maintain (or at least, try to maintain) a high level on its own and will cause a constant drain on Economy (currently causing a yearly deficit!).
As mentioned by the new Marshal, you just received a small Population penalty to kick-start the mandatory conscription&training scheme.
In times of emergency, you will be able to order mobilization of a chunk of male popualtion for a certain amount of time.
You congratulate them all and then express your wishes that they do their best. They promise to do so!
1110 AD, Summer
Punctual as ever, the Eldricans bring Fireblood ingredients to exchange them for local gemstones.
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Great news come from Mountains of Tven! Your prospectors there indeed found silver amongst the local rocks, and they believe there is enough ore to supply a mine for at least several decades, if not longer!
To properly begin excavation, they of course need money and supplies.
A) And of course they shall get them!
B) No, not this time, sorry.
Post by: ZBridges on November 13, 2017, 04:01:14 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 13, 2017, 04:03:25 pm
We might be back in business!
Post by: crazyabe on November 13, 2017, 04:07:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 04:10:40 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 04:11:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 04:15:42 pm
1110 AD, Autumn
Lately, the summer days have been awfully hot and dry in these parts, but the farmlands in your country has been refreshed occassionally by just-in-time rains, obviously the work of the Scepter, its lime glow once again reported by the vault's guards.
Few days later you receive a report from the alchemists; they have resumed work on Thundercats and other Fireblood inventions.
1110 AD, End of the Year
And just like that, the year comes and goes. The new year's eve is at hand, and that means that the Advisor- ah, here he is, the long and mystical Scrolls of Kingdom Status occupying his hands fully.
Happiness: 5
Population: 6
Economy: 3
Army: 5
You rub your chin in thought.
"As you can of course notice, your Majesty, we're a bit short on the money. Shall we raise the taxes thorough the Kingdom to accumulate some wealth just in case?"
A) "Yes, we gotta do that, who knows what our expenses can be next year."
B) "Nah, the peasants might not like it, plus our new silver mine will soon provide us with money anyways."
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 04:16:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 13, 2017, 04:18:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 04:18:14 pm
Also, any news on our merc in Lametania? (Or wherever we sent them)
Post by: helmacon on November 13, 2017, 04:18:22 pm
We get the other half of our thunder cat money in a few years anyways.
Post by: Arlos on November 13, 2017, 04:42:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 13, 2017, 04:43:07 pm
1111 AD, Spring
You receive a letter from the new mine's administrator; they will have ore brought to the palace by the Winter.
1111 AD, Mid-Spring
"The what now?"
"Centaurs, my liege! Half horses, half men - and woman - have appeared in the lands bordering the Rainbow Lizards Mountains! They travel in packs, and so far has harassed several travelers and assaulted briefly one small village, stealing some sheep and chickens." You decide to...
A) Make this a fine test for your Army and send it to eradicate the pesky equines!
B) Ignore the centaurs for now, maybe they will go away.
C) Send someone to negotiate or at least talk to these fanciful, hooved folk.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 13, 2017, 04:50:01 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 13, 2017, 04:50:15 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 13, 2017, 04:52:34 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 13, 2017, 04:53:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 13, 2017, 05:01:50 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2017, 05:07:55 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 13, 2017, 05:15:14 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 13, 2017, 05:24:44 pm
they don't sound malicious. Just in need.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 13, 2017, 05:32:20 pm
Burn the alien!
Post by: Baffler on November 13, 2017, 05:46:40 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 13, 2017, 05:53:08 pm
Post by: omada on November 13, 2017, 06:13:47 pm
and why not some centaurs too?
Post by: mightymushroom on November 14, 2017, 08:02:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 10:29:40 am
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 10:50:55 am
C, maybe we can get a new queen (and a long-lasting line of minotaurs for princes)!
Not sure which biology book gets you bull people out of horse people but I don't actually wanna know :P
You send some negotiators to talk with the centaurs.
A week later you receive a messenger; the Centaurs are wandering here becasue the elves of Tisilenteliya Forest are growing much more antagonistic as of late, and many a centaur tribe decided to leave the forest of their ancestors and seek new herding grounds. Most ventured to the distant, flat north or populated steppes of the west, but few tiny tribes decided to go east and eventually, after wandering the Empty Plains, ended up in Methiant and Cydwyl.
They wish to obtain passage through your lands, as the old centaur tales speak of grandiose land of lush forests and sparkling waters "in the east".
A) And that land is Methiant! Welcome them in and offer them a reservoir or a glade or something they can stay in.
B) Sure, they can pass as long as they won't stir any trouble.
C) What do I get from letting them pass? They should first back their request with gifts!
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 10:57:07 am
All horses are welcome!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 10:57:38 am
All horses are welcome to go somewhere else!
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 10:59:16 am
All the horses are welcome to come here!
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 14, 2017, 11:00:35 am
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 11:02:24 am
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 11:06:38 am
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Next week you learn that, by either inediptude of the messenger or some other reasons, they do not wish to stay.
A) Nag them more.
B) Let them pass, if they pay first.
C) Let them pass.
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 11:08:46 am
I guess
Post by: birdy51 on November 14, 2017, 11:09:06 am
Nag the Nags!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 11:10:29 am
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 11:26:13 am
You later learn they've passed along the border and then move north-eastwards along the mountains, and none of your subjects saw those centaurs again.
1111 AD, Summer
Fireblood caravan reaches your capital and leaves with gemstones, as usual.
1111 AD, Autumn
There are reports of multiple gatherings in south and west; the commoners are expressing their anger about higher taxation and the recent upheavals. They demand that taxes be lowered and excess wealth be returned by your collectors!
A) Damned peasant rabble! Time for our soldiers to show up there and rattle some sabers at the commoners!
B) Fine, let's overturn our decision from the start of the year.
C) Scribble some letters in which you ask them to calm down, for the good of their beloved Kingdom.
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 11:31:59 am
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 11:50:41 am
how are they this uppity at a 5?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 12:00:01 pm
Man. Peasants don't give a fuck what our happiness is do they? Maybe it's just a pack of
Post by: Kashyyk on November 14, 2017, 12:01:44 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 14, 2017, 12:04:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 12:05:00 pm
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It seems that being adressed to by the monarch itself has rubbed them in a good way, and things calmed down.
1111 AD, Winter
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First, freshly mined ore from the new mines arrives at your court! But there's also a report from the overseer; the more his miners dig in, the more ore they discover. He asks whether he is allowed to enlarge the operation and hire additional miners to speed up excavation and thus double the yearly quotas.
A) Sure, we gotta squeeze the gold (silver) cow outta milk if we are given one!
B) Let's keep it nice and steady to have a stable source of income for longer time.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
Hey... Should we let that one guy out of the dungeon now? I mean... We locked him away because he was lying about the silvermines right?
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 12:28:52 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 14, 2017, 12:30:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 12:36:09 pm
We could always just save the money if we want to keep it on hand. Better to have it in the treasury where no one can take it over or raid it or anything.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 12:46:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 14, 2017, 12:52:23 pm
*Yes, I did vote for the sorceress, and possibly would again. That's a friendly, tongue-sticking out dig and not a mean one. :P
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 14, 2017, 12:55:28 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 01:04:08 pm
1111 AD, Midwinter
The courtiers of yours has been conspiring lately. You saw them whisper in the corners and then silently greet you as pass. Your mind grows heavy with conspiracies until that faithful day when...
"My liege." The Advisor adresses you as you finish a council discussion over which side of the Palace should be used to store old accounting ledgers.
"When do you plan to remarry? A King is only half-man without a Queen, they say."
A) "Then I shall remain a half-King forever."
B) "Then help me find me my missing half, maybe?"
C) "I'm sure by other half will show up some day, yes."
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 14, 2017, 01:08:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 01:09:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 01:13:56 pm
Doesn't seem like we're in that much of a rush. After all, we've got two half devil witch bastard sons ready to take the throne.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 14, 2017, 01:19:48 pm
We're only in our mid thirties after all.
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 01:21:09 pm
Before we too old.
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 01:26:50 pm
1111 AD, Late Winter
You receive a delegation of diplomats from Lametania; they've came here on the heels of rumors that Kingdom of Ebirus and Magraviate of Rucus has forcefully vassalized the two separatist Duchies, of Aran and Llamber, respectively.
"It is shame for our King to admit that our land is weak, but it is. He asks for the proud Methiant army to establish military presence in Lametania. King Umar was reluctant to further rely on your soldiers until now. What say you, brave and wise King Yoe of Methiant?"
A) "Sure thing, our Army shall march into Lametania right away."
B) "You want Methiant to incur the Wrath of Damdamians? No thanks, I'm not suicidal yet."
C) "What will I get out of that though?"
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 01:27:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 14, 2017, 01:30:57 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 14, 2017, 01:35:14 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 14, 2017, 01:36:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 14, 2017, 01:42:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 01:43:10 pm
A Well actually I don't want to risk this being one of those we offend them and they don't let us send our men things. Plus screw the Damdamians! Stopping them from spreading their poisonous ruin to our region is important.
Post by: Arlos on November 14, 2017, 01:49:21 pm
I long for the day we finally fell our centuries old foe...
If only they could get introuble from time to time :/
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 01:52:38 pm
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They are insulted by this, and some shouting later its obvious you won't be getting anything out of this.
A) Fine, we will protect the Lametanians from the vile Empire.
B) Sorry, but I do not run a charity organization, friends.
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 01:54:43 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 14, 2017, 01:55:49 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 14, 2017, 01:57:01 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 02:22:20 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 14, 2017, 02:23:54 pm
A
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 14, 2017, 02:40:47 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 02:42:55 pm
though I'm a bit worried about our more northern neighbours
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 02:43:15 pm
First regiments will be going to Lametania by the next Spring.
1111 AD, End of the Year
Once again you're given the Scrolls of Kingdom Status to review them:
Happiness: 4
Population: 6
Economy: 3
Army: 6
"Sire, despite our efforts, we're currently still going low with the money. Shall we extend the taxation period for another year?"
A) "But of course."
B) "But we can't!"
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 14, 2017, 02:45:06 pm
No. They will learn to respect us, or they gain nothing. B.
A.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 14, 2017, 02:46:18 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 14, 2017, 02:46:29 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 14, 2017, 02:55:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 03:06:28 pm
B
Post by: Puppyguard on November 14, 2017, 03:10:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 14, 2017, 03:20:40 pm
1112 AD, Spring
While your soldiers march south, the alchemists return from the north, bringing money from Queen Dogethe.
"We were able to teach the Queen's men how to create Fireblood and how to shape machines using it. She has sent with us the remainder of money agreed to in the treaty." They also bring news and rumors from the north; the bearded pirates of the Saltsand Waters, the Albionese, have launched an amphibious invasion backed by attack from the mountains, taking Kingdom of Helliste by surprise in least convenient moment for them, as recently the Hellistes had several rebellions occuring in past three years.
1112 AD, Summer
The Fireblood caravan once again arrives in the capital, and the ingredients are paid for with gemstones.
In relation to Fireblood, the alchemists, both young and old, ask for audience. The royal alchemist steps forward.
"Greetings, sire. I wouldn't interrupt your hard day at work if it weren't for the young apprentices of ours." The young men take off their greenish berets and bow to you.
They explain that they have a novel idea of smaller Fireblood machines that could be wielded by two people, or even by one strong enough person. It would require certain re-designs and most of the money currently devoted to manufacture and maintenance of Thundercats and even Blackhearts would be directed to this new project.
They apparently stumbled upon this idea after some very innovative youngsters decided that its next logical step after the huge and slow Blackhearts were replaced by Thundercats, which are smaller yet much more powerful after all.
The older alchemists believe that this would be waste of funds, especially that Thundercats' feasibility haven't been yet tested in actual war, and thus they would prefer to fund what currently works rather than run after every single idea their apprentices come up with. You listen to murmur of the audience room; it seems your courtiers agree with the older alchemists.
A) But think about it! Every soldier carrying a miniature iron tube of fire and thunder! This will be grand! We will be grand!!
B) On the other hand, we should stick to what we have and be content with that; there will be time for innovations later.
Post by: Arlos on November 14, 2017, 03:24:25 pm
A
Damn money sink T-T
Post by: helmacon on November 14, 2017, 03:25:06 pm
Hand cannons ho!
Post by: Weirdsound on November 14, 2017, 03:27:15 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 14, 2017, 03:29:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2017, 03:32:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 14, 2017, 03:33:40 pm
Soon we will have an army the likes of which this world has never seen!
Also, I can totally see us annexing Lametania as a vassal. A few years of stationing troops there and we can formally add it to our empire and become Emperor Yoe the First.
Post by: birdy51 on November 14, 2017, 03:34:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 14, 2017, 03:43:56 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 14, 2017, 03:45:29 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 03:54:23 pm
THE GUN IS GOOD
THE ECON IS EVIL
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 14, 2017, 03:54:44 pm
Are we seriously rejecting the opportunity of being among the First Nations to develop firearms?
Post by: mightymushroom on November 14, 2017, 03:59:56 pm
Also, from the very little I recall of military history, personal firearms didn't become all that dangerous until rifling and other manufacturing improvements. I'm not sure being ahead of the curve at this point would be a huge advantage. We're not suddenly going to make the Damdamians afraid of us.
Post by: Draignean on November 14, 2017, 04:02:07 pm
The Gungeon Will Rise.
*Cough*
Post by: omada on November 14, 2017, 04:32:58 pm
If we get, we are nice, if we don't get, we are screwed
Can we have a C) keep the production of thundercats while we give some small funds to help their studies so they can be more secure on their projects before we toss some real money on it?
A) It on the hands of rngeesus and we gotta risk, IF we get these weapons and we conquer the mountains with the expeditions maybe we can have small cannons passing sneaky through the mountains while we defend lametania lands, this time we can have the chance of US striking their flanks
WHEN damdamian comes, let's hope we can call this war as "The north's pride" or "Luathba's revenge"
(Plus, we can get money from it somehow again)
B) We can still strike their flanks, we get a bunch extra of thundercats protecting between the mountains,
Can we give some extra funds for "motivating innovations
Post by: Puppyguard on November 14, 2017, 04:34:23 pm
I hope we don't regret this.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 14, 2017, 04:34:52 pm
-snip-
I gotta ask, did you mean to vote for the other one judging from the content of your comment?
Post by: Draignean on November 14, 2017, 04:56:12 pm
Everything is fixed now. You saw nothing.
Post by: crazyabe on November 14, 2017, 05:39:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 15, 2017, 04:03:16 pm
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You decide to shift the focus (and funding) of Fireblood work into new, smaller arms rather than creation of large-sized Thundercats and Blackhearts.
1112 AD, Winter
The load of silver from the new mines arrives on schedule.
1112 AD, Midwinter
You receive a messenger from Queen Dogethe with a letter adressed to you specifically.
In the letter, she invites you to a military allaince and subsequently a campaign against the Helliste which is now suffering from war with the perfide Albion. The goal of Queen Dogethe is to take control of Kingdom of Dahnia and incorporate it into her sphere of influence. If you agree to help her, she promises lots of wealth, as she knows that your economical situation is poor and money is what you would use most at the moment.
You write a reply to her...
A) Asking to negotiate the payment before you commit your forces.
B) Offering your Army's services for conquest of Dahnia!
C) Refusing to help with such a dishonorable attack.
Post by: helmacon on November 15, 2017, 04:05:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 15, 2017, 04:07:51 pm
I recall from a long time ago that our beloved first wife, Gedavina, once promised her cousin Aria to prevent war between Methiant and Helliste. We will honor her memory, and her promise.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 15, 2017, 04:10:08 pm
Dogethe has a good track record of winning these things. She will be a powerful ally.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 15, 2017, 04:14:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 15, 2017, 04:15:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 15, 2017, 04:18:49 pm
She's been pretty reliable for us as of late. I think we can consider this. It'll be a nice time to try our new weapons as well.
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2017, 04:36:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 15, 2017, 04:40:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 15, 2017, 04:55:12 pm
1112 AD, Late Winter
A messenger from Queen Dogethe is here; but your courtiers wish to speak with you first, no doubt having something important to discuss first.
A) Brethren before foreigners! I shall speak with my courtiers.
B) A great military campaign is being planned, and that takes priority.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 15, 2017, 04:56:50 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 15, 2017, 04:57:05 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 15, 2017, 05:04:38 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 15, 2017, 05:17:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 15, 2017, 06:01:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2017, 06:05:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 15, 2017, 06:12:47 pm
Post by: omada on November 15, 2017, 07:56:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 15, 2017, 07:59:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 16, 2017, 12:36:27 am
You decide to speak with your courtiers first.
"Sire! We have done as we asked, and have found you a new wife. Beautiful Auvena, from the borderlands with Lametania. She is obedient, well-educated and shall treat your children as her own. Her father is a minor noble who was elated to hear that his only daughter is being considered as your spouse. What say you?"
A) "Nah, thanks."
B) "Sure, whatevs."
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 16, 2017, 12:43:49 am
Post by: ZBridges on November 16, 2017, 12:49:02 am
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2017, 12:50:18 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 16, 2017, 12:50:48 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 16, 2017, 12:53:35 am
Pre-preemptive no vote on any crazy expensive wedding feasts though.
Post by: helmacon on November 16, 2017, 01:16:37 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 16, 2017, 01:16:57 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 16, 2017, 01:58:16 am
A, we should marry for political gain, not love or companionship. It is the sad lot of the ruler.
We are older, already have an heir, and a reputation for divorcing our wives. I kinda doubt we can do much better than this.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 16, 2017, 02:00:52 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 16, 2017, 04:17:25 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 16, 2017, 07:56:13 am
We've been shunned by the centaurs, so let's just have a regular wife from nowhere in particular.
Post by: omada on November 16, 2017, 08:09:03 am
B
We've been shunned by the centaurs, so let's just have a regular wife from nowhere in particular.
W-w-wait... were you thinking about..
OH GOD NO
B fuck love and companionship, we go to the cozy house for that, it's for babymaking and public image. plus, well educated and lives in the border with lametania, that shall be usefull. If he begins to love his wife it's a bonus.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 16, 2017, 08:16:13 am
Do we still have our mistress?
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 16, 2017, 08:20:30 am
W-w-wait... were you thinking about..
OH GOD NO
Oh sure, elves you people are perfectly okay with, but a centaur is somehow over the line. I see how it is!
Post by: Draignean on November 16, 2017, 08:46:37 am
W-w-wait... were you thinking about..
OH GOD NO
Oh sure, elves you people are perfectly okay with, but a centaur is somehow over the line. I see how it is!
What are whores but a badly misspelled horse?
B
Post by: mightymushroom on November 16, 2017, 09:16:48 am
A, we should marry for political gain, not love or companionship. It is the sad lot of the ruler.
We are older, already have an heir, and a reputation for divorcing our wives. I kinda doubt we can do much better than this.
We married first for foreign connections, and found a woman whom we dearly loved.
We let the courtiers pick a local, and ended up with a cold shrew who nearly tore the kingdom in half with her scheming.
We only divorced once, by the way. Gedavina died of childbirth fever, sadly prevalent before modern notions of germ theory.
Gedavina and Daetha (the mistress): both northerners and we liked them well. Segeda, from eastern Methiant, not so much. I think Yoe has a type. This Auvena is from the south of our lands.
I'm voting B anyway because she sounds nice, and what else do we have to go on?
Post by: birdy51 on November 16, 2017, 09:38:48 am
Because we already have a lover. We have an heir, so why ask for a wife?
Post by: Haspen on November 16, 2017, 02:52:15 pm
Next comes the messenger from Queen Dogethe.
Her offer is half the amount of what she paid for services of your alchemists if the campaign is a success.
A) And that's all? My soldiers are worth much more!
B) Fine, that works for me.
C) Such petty reward is an insult! We won't be helping Queen Dogethe!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 16, 2017, 02:52:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 16, 2017, 03:14:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 16, 2017, 03:16:02 pm
Expending troops in such an unstable time is worth a near fortune.
A
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 16, 2017, 03:25:51 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2017, 03:31:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 16, 2017, 03:40:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 16, 2017, 03:43:05 pm
3 Econ is more than enough for 1 unit, not nearly enough for 4 or 5.
Abstaining in the hope of getting further information.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 16, 2017, 03:47:40 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 16, 2017, 03:51:27 pm
Post by: melkor on November 16, 2017, 04:00:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 16, 2017, 04:07:06 pm
My question is, how many soldiers??
Military campaign not a borrowance of soldiers ;v
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tieeeeeeeeeeeeeee V:<
Post by: Arlos on November 16, 2017, 04:16:46 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 16, 2017, 04:40:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 16, 2017, 04:51:16 pm
"My liege! Shall you lead us in this glorious campaign!?" You decide to...
A) Stay at safety of the palace.
B) Lead your men to glory.
Post by: omada on November 16, 2017, 04:55:07 pm
Spoiler: previous action (click to show/hide)
A) The kid is not old enough yet, plus we aren't very cool on battles and the amount of rolls can be smaller (that can be good and bad)
B) Charismatic brother can take care if we die? the bigger amount of rolls increase our chance of luck rolls? (and bad ones too)
Post by: birdy51 on November 16, 2017, 05:00:40 pm
Whether we win or succeed is no consequence as long as we are paid.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 16, 2017, 06:00:18 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 16, 2017, 06:05:51 pm
Although one wonders whether running off on an extended trip in the exact opposite direction will put a crimp in Yoe's marriage plans. Especially if he "rescues" a cute northern blonde, amirite?
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 16, 2017, 06:08:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 16, 2017, 06:14:09 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 16, 2017, 06:14:18 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 16, 2017, 07:25:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2017, 07:44:58 pm
Post by: omada on November 16, 2017, 08:07:27 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 16, 2017, 08:10:40 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 16, 2017, 09:27:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 16, 2017, 09:54:11 pm
It's true that Yoe has been a better court king than field leader. But my analysis is that if:
I) we are seriously attacked from south while army is north then any leader in palace is about equal worth when scrambling with short resources;
II) we are attacked after a bad campaign loses big chunk of army, charismatic Luath may be better at holding off the worst until numbers are back up.
Meanwhile, Yoe's luck and morale boost(?) might help more soldiers return from what looks to me like a tough assignment.
It's not necessary, as others have pointed out, but I think it offers our best chance of damage control – during the campaign, and in seasons to come if the worst should befall.
This is on the assumption that Luath will again be interim head of government (for as long as turns out to be necessary). The Divine have mercy on us if somehow Segeda worms her way into the regency seat for her son!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 16, 2017, 10:28:20 pm
The "mechanics" seem to support in general not sending the king out to war unless he's martial, simply because the sorta normalish outcome of rolls. When we're in the court a really bad roll seems to lead to a really bad outcome of the campaign, a bad roll leads to a bad outcome of the campaign, a mediocre roll leads to a mediocre outcome, a good roll to a good outcome, and a great roll to a great outcome. As you'd expect. But when we're on the field rolls in general seems a bit harsher. A terrible or bad roll can sometimes outright cause a bad to really bad outcome of the campaign, and often leans to stacking penalties that will make it pretty likely we get a bad outcome in the end. A mediocre roll seems to normally lead to somewhere between a mediocre to bad result, normally either causing the campaign to move forward in a neutral manner, or costing us some resource and moving the campaign forward in a neutral manner. Whereas good and great rolls don't have NEARLY the impact that bad and terrible rolls do, they typically just move the campaign forward somewhere from a positive to neutral manner. All in all, it seems like the outcome of rolls are normally simply worse if we actually go out. I mean, consider the 6 we rolled that let us instantly take over a kingdom without significant losses. That'd be almost impossible to get on campaign. We'd have to roll 6 after 6 after 6 to get the same effect if we went ourselves. But if we rolled a 1, our army was destroyed, and we were pushed back, maybe even lost land? That's not the end result of a series of ones on campaign. But rather just more 1s, 2s and 3s then 4s, 5s and 6s.
At least, that's my very much non scientific observation over the past four spamkingdom games. If we have the martial trait the bonus is enough to reverse this effect and give us a slightly better then average result.
Also our lucky trait should probably be better with a single roll then lots of smaller ones. Simply because as said if it procs on campaign that won't actually amount to much. It's obviously a lot less likely to proc for the war outcome, but if it does it will have a significant effect on the outcome.
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 03:51:12 pm
1112 AD, End of the Year
It's that time of the year! The Scrolls of Kingdom Status are brought to you.
Happiness: 4
Population: 6
Economy: 4
Army: 6
The Advisor coughs. You scratch your beard.
The meeting comes to an end-
"Oh right, my liege. The scribes have finished expanding the map once again. Thanks to the soldiers stationed in Lametania, we have actually managed to learn a bit of the Damdamian territories."
Spoiler: Yet Another Update of Neighbourhood Map (click to show/hide)
1113 AD, Spring
Your Army is already in northern Cydwyl; bringing fearsome Thundercats for the first true field test of their might.
You marry your third wife, Auvena, in a modest ceremony. You quickly find that she is somewhat pretty, quiet and obedient, but fully disinterested in sharing the bed with you and shows no enthusiasm in being in centre of attention as a Queen. She has delegated herself to governance over your palatial servants.
1113 AD, Mid-Spring
First reports come from the northern battlefields; your Army and forces of Queen Dogethe, together numbering almost nine thousand, have met with over seven thousand of Helliste and Dahnian men led by Prince Etavik, who was killed (either in combat or after being captured by Dogethe's generals, your soldiers aren't sure).
Thundercats have perfomed rather well, and while they didn't seem to do much damage, they were reliable and had range and firing rate near to what your alchemists claimed. The generals of Queen Dogethe have been less than impressed however, and their orders are for Thundercats to deliver bombard fortified places rather than fight on the field.
Few days later, you receive a visit from the priests of Pantheonism.
"May the Pantheon forever bless you, good King Yoe! Our gods, even if shunned by the new faiths, have sent us omens and visions, which made us believe that, after almost a century, it is time when the Hunt for White Stag is to be held! Can we ask for your Treasury to sponsor this holy celebration and for you to partake in it, so that the Gods may favor our country?" You decide to...
A) Sponsor the hunt and take part in it.
B) Reject their request.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2017, 04:02:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 04:04:30 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 17, 2017, 04:16:42 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 17, 2017, 04:19:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 17, 2017, 04:31:11 pm
For honor, and GLORY!
Post by: ZBridges on November 17, 2017, 04:40:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 04:42:07 pm
A week later, you, prominent courtiers and some high-ranking military officers, accompanied by a host of huntsmen and foresters, go for the hunt to the forest between Methiant and the Hurthlings. The hunt starts early, when there are mists and little sunlight, but within an hour few small animals are caught - a promise of good haul.
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You hear a gasp from one of the young officers and everyone turns toward the hill he was staring at - there he is! The noble white stag! The one and only!
A) Proclaim that the Stag is yours and give chase after it!
B) Have the finest of hunters chase and kill the fabled creature!
Post by: ZBridges on November 17, 2017, 04:43:32 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 04:49:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2017, 04:51:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2017, 05:06:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 05:18:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 05:23:47 pm
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Unfortunately for you, the horse trips over some root and you are catapulted forward onto the ground, the brownish dirt the last thing you before there's a loud-
*SNAP*
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Methiantese Civil War, 1113 AD
The proud Kingdom of Methiant is engulfed in the horrid flames of civil war!
In the west, the forces of 'King' Luath conspire with the the Felonsein noblemen and agents of Eldrican to take over the throne, citing the progressing downfall of the nation in recent years, due to Yoe II's decisions, as well as vulnerability that would be Regency for Prince Cyl.
In the east, the loyalists who swore to protect the young heir, Crown Prince Cyl, are led by Queen Auvana and Duchess Segeda, who swore to protect her son's ascension, not willing to be pushed aside by Luath and his family for a second time.
Mighty battles are fought as both sides claim legitimacy and vie for the throne, the peasants and nobles alike split between the two sides, unable to choose clearly this time.
A) For King Luath, death to Segeda the Vile and her offspring!!!
B) For Crown Prince Cyl, we shall bring down Luath the Traitor!!!
Post by: Arlos on November 17, 2017, 05:26:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 05:28:20 pm
A
Seriously. They are demon babies. And probably not actually Yoes. We're lucky we're getting another chance to get rid of them.
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 05:29:56 pm
B. Long live King Cyl!
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2017, 05:31:36 pm
Post by: Draignean on November 17, 2017, 05:34:10 pm
As I learned from Harry's game, there's no child like a demon child.
Post by: ZBridges on November 17, 2017, 05:34:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2017, 05:35:19 pm
I'm guessing the deciding factor in this sort of war will be the troops we sent north to hang with Queen Doggy. Lets take the CHA character and get them on our side.
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 05:36:10 pm
A
Let's fuck up Segeda.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 05:51:34 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 17, 2017, 06:03:44 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 17, 2017, 06:12:30 pm
Question, since I don't pay attention that much. Have ANY of the kings in these things died of natural causes?
Post by: Arlos on November 17, 2017, 06:15:58 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 17, 2017, 06:23:38 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 06:39:17 pm
if the kid's parentage is in doubt he's got to go, can't go disrupting the dynasty.
Post by: birdy51 on November 17, 2017, 06:44:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 06:49:46 pm
B Much as it pains me to say it, Cyl has never been proven to be demon spawn or even illegitimate. Even Luath acknowledged his right the first time around, which seriously undercuts the man's position now.
I'm trying to remember all the marriage arrangements this situation might throw into question. There was one older daughter promised to Ceodwell that's already called off. (And that we never heard back from on reparations, did we?) And there's an Eldrican princess lined up for Cyl, which would be a handy way to patch things up with them if we can still swing it. Any others?
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 17, 2017, 06:52:10 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 17, 2017, 06:55:28 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 07:00:26 pm
I have only recently joined this game, so I really do not know its history form bellow page 100, could anyone give me some pros and cons for choosing a faction to support ???
Luath has very little legitimacy but is an adult. Cyl winning would mean a timeskip where RNG decides what happens, while Luath winning means a monarchy indebted to foreigners but player control picks up right away. I voted for Cyl because Luath promised to recognize Cyl's (rightful, being the previous king's son) claim to the throne during his time as regent. People also think Queen Segeda is a schemer, though I'm not entirely clear why.
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2017, 07:05:20 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 17, 2017, 07:09:21 pm
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 17, 2017, 07:12:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 07:14:25 pm
People also think Queen Segeda is a schemer, though I'm not entirely clear why.
Probably because she ignored her husband and was rumored to hang around with unidentified "young persons," then nearly started a civil war once before. To be fair, the question of whether Luath would yield to Cyl one day or keep the throne for his own son had to be answered; but Segeda in my opinion had a very Game of Thrones vibe when she made her demands. That, and Yoe II had paranoid suspicions about her as he was going crazy, which the player base may or may not have absorbed unfiltered.
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 07:53:52 pm
Playing for Loyalist Side:
Baffler
Prophet
Draignean
milo christiansen
crazyabe
mightymushroom
Twinwolf (Leader)
Paxiecrunchle
Imic
Suppaidaman
Playing for Pretender Side:
Criptfeind
Zbridges
Weirdsound
helmacon
Lucus Casius
vastaghen12
Maximum Spin (Leader)
Puppyguard
Tiruin
Iituem
Harry Baldman
Quote from: Civil War Rules
Each side starts with 5 Loyalty, Treasury and Army.
You get 3 Cards per Turn and need to choose at least 1 to continue. Loyalists' Cards are always processed first.
Each 'unspent' Card will be then discarded and its Cost will be added to your current Loyalty, Treasury and/or Army stats.
Beware! Each Turn (half-year) of the Civil War after the 3rd will have progressively catastrophic consequences to the country.
Battle:
When a Card with Effect: Battle is used, a Battle shall commence. The enemy Side can use their own Cards with Effect: Battle to counter it.
If a Battle Card is not countered, the Enemy gets a penalty to Battle Score equal to half of the maximum value of the Card (for example, a 3d6 Battle Card = 18/2 = -9 Battle Score points)
If a Battle Card is countered, both dice rolls are processed; the 'losing' side gets a penalty equal to the difference between the Battle rolls (example: Pretender gets a total of 18, Loyalist gets a total of 20; Loyalists win and Pretender gets -2 to his Battle Score)
Both sides start with Battle Score equal to 0.
Civil War continues until:
A Side has any Stat (Loyalty, Treasury or Army) at 0 or below.
A Side decides to play a SURRENDER Effect Card.
A Side has a Battle Score equal or below -30.
Spoiler: ALL CARDS ROSTER (click to show/hide)
Civil War, Turn 1 (1113 AD, Autumn)
Both sides, pick the Cards you're gonna use this Turn!
Spoiler: Loyalist Cards (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pretender Cards (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on November 17, 2017, 07:59:08 pm
A
As in "Aaaa I am too late to play".
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 08:08:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 08:23:50 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 17, 2017, 08:29:35 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 08:32:09 pm
Voting for Loyalist Regiments. We need to end this quickly but spending 4 of our 5 army points on turn 1 is a tremendous risk.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 08:33:04 pm
Anyhow, the Loyalist side seems to have a strong military draw this turn. So strong that we'll lose if we play them both, in fact.
If we play Grand Campaign we have a good chance of overpowering them for this turn. Given its cost, though, we'll want to recycle Loyalist Regiments to regain army score. Defend the Nation! could go either way, but I'd lean toward using it for army too. Resources (-1 loyalty, -1 treasury, -1 army) for battle effect 4d6.
Or looked at the other way we can play Loyalist Regiments and have a somewhat less dominating military presence but recycle the other two and gain resources for our first turn. Resources (+1 loyalty, +1 treasury, +2 army) and battle effect 3d6.
Given the warning about dragging out the war, I am in favor of the stronger attack. Not only does it maximize our chance of damage, it pretty much forces them to spend resources on a counter.
I have no strong opinion on whom amongst us shall wield the baton of command.
Edit: I don't see in the rules it says we can only play one, just a minimum or we're giving up.
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2017, 08:36:08 pm
And yes, you can use 1, 2 or all 3 cards a Turn if you wish/resources allow ;v
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 08:37:55 pm
I'll support whoever as commander.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 08:41:21 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on November 17, 2017, 08:45:45 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 08:48:39 pm
I'm thinking we should use the first of our three cards, yes?
I think probably not. Not only does loyalty seems maybe slightly less useful then treasury (although who knows how the cards will fall) but since unused cards add their cost to our resources, the choice isn't between nothing and making the trade, it's either gain two treasury or make the trade. One way we get two resources, the other way we get a net of one resource.
I think we (need too?) use charge to counter their battle tactics, then I think we should leave the other two cards out to get burned and recover the two treasury points.
So, I vote we use Charge! And that we don't use Dealings with the Friends Abroad.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 08:53:30 pm
If on our turn the Loyalists did not play a battle, and the Pretenders on their turn do, does that mean our opportunity to counter is the next play? Or did we miss it?
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 09:13:11 pm
So, Card 1: Loyalist Regiments
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 10:23:18 pm
Civil War is bad for our country. As much as we all may have our differences, I think we can all agree that this is self destructive and bad for our country.
We have bigger problems to worry about.
We should hold a second vote, in light of recent events. Whoever holds the most support will become the rightful ruler, and the other side shall immediately move to play the surrender card. We have massive enemies to the south, and a powerful and untrustworthy force to the north. It it what is best for our country. It is what is best for our people.
In the game of war, the only winning move is not to play.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 10:27:38 pm
That's why the loyalists need to surrender. A boy king controlled by a regent witch mother would ruin the kingdom in this critical moment. Luath has one of (I'm not sure which is better, it or the military buff) the best personal traits, not to mention clear support of our foreign allies, who we'll need if we are to stand up to the Holy Empire. We need a strong and charismatic leader at this time to forge the coalition that will save this region of the world from the empires expansion.
Imagine the grand armies of Cydwyl marching alongside the vast legions of Eldrican, the elite troops of Methiant forming the core of the combined forces. A mighty force that even the empire would fear, it's forging made only possibly by Luath's fiery charisma.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 17, 2017, 10:28:38 pm
Yes, it will be a dangerous game that hurt the country in a critical moment.+1.
That's why the loyalists need to surrender.
I agree with this.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 10:29:20 pm
Loyalists for the win!
(Also, foreign allies are a bad thing in a civil war.)
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 10:30:56 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [1] : Milo christiansen
Loyalists Surrender: [2] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind
Post by: ZBridges on November 17, 2017, 10:33:23 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [1] : Milo christiansen
Loyalists Surrender: [3] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, ZBridges
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 10:35:44 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 10:35:52 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [2] : Milo christiansen, helmacon
Loyalists Surrender: [3] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, ZBridges
Personally, after giving it some thought, I have to swap sides. While I think Luath is a better option, the Pretenders are the only ones with a surrender card to play at the moment. It is the fastest way to end the war.
@Milo, if we went with current support, pretenders outnumber you anyways. This is being generous.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 17, 2017, 10:38:02 pm
That said - the main arguments against the prince and Segeda have had literally no basis. For one - people just randomly started saying demonspawn/illegitimate and calling Segeda a scheming bitch before anything had actually happened. It's sort of similar to the "WIZARDS" obsession :P There's been no indication of either, besides her saying that her husband/son should have the throne, which is legally theirs anyway, and still no indication of "demonspawn". As for regency, look back a bit - the last time we had one, it went fine. Actually, we ended up in a better position than when Yoe I died, and not just because of the war but also the competent regency - and mind that Segeda is educated, considering that we bought a big ol' library for her. So regency isn't doom.
Also I assume Helmacon means the traitors have a surrender card, because the loyalists don't. It's also a good reason.
Hence,
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [3] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf
Loyalists Surrender: [3] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 10:39:34 pm
(Also, foreign allies are a bad thing in a civil war.)
No one wants the Eldricans to have undue influence over over Methiant. But I'd posit that the undue influence of the witch Segeda is both worse and a more pressing concern. Remember the Eldricans are our allies, or at least, will still be after Luath wins. And also remember that Yoe divorced Segeda for a reason, this is her trying to worm her way back into leadership of the kingdom.
In addition. For those of you worried about the security of the kingdom as a whole, do remember what the loyalists are fighting for. They want to put a four year old on the throne. At a time when Eldrica, Cydwyl, and the Empire are all ascendant? That'd do more damage to Methiant then this civil war ever could. There isn't any real victory other then a pretender victory.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 10:40:39 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [3] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf
Loyalists Surrender: [4] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges, Maximum Spin.
All these "there's no evidence that the witch is evil / the son is not really his" arguments are missing a crucial point: Caesar's wife must be above suspicion. The fact that we suspect at all means they cannot be allowed to rule.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 10:42:22 pm
The regency wouldn't be that long anyway. If I've calculated Cyl's age right then he should be 13 ...
4 year old? Also, there is 0 evidence that Segeda is in any way "witchy".
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2017, 10:42:38 pm
He was born in 1099 so he is 13/14.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 17, 2017, 10:44:38 pm
Quote from: SupportPretenders Surrender: [3] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf
Loyalists Surrender: [4] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges, Maximum Spin.
All these "there's no evidence that the witch is evil / the son is not really his" arguments are missing a crucial point: Caesar's wife must be above suspicion. The fact that we suspect at all means they cannot be allowed to rule.
...I don't understand the point being made? You guys literally just randomly began to accuse. That logic, as far as I can interpret, would disqualify literally all previous wives and heirs, including Luath.
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 10:45:48 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [4] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf, Prophet
Loyalists Surrender: [4] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges, Maximum Spin.
Also, this isn't an appeal to Haspen to change the game. This is a player summit for the good of the nation. One side will (hopefully) agree to throw the game, through direct player actions.
Edit:
Also, She is definitely a witchy woman, but she is also very competent. We may not like her, but once she is in power it's her own country. Her witchy ways will be on our own side.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 10:48:10 pm
He was born in 1099 so he is 13/14.Oh, lol, I'm bad at math. That's a lot better then a four year old. Although still notably really really bad in this critical moment in history. Three great powers are rising, and we're literally in the middle of them.
...I don't understand the point being made? You guys literally just randomly began to accuse.
It wasn't really random that the wife who never slept with the king only became pregnant after she started hanging out with groups of "younger people"
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2017, 10:49:19 pm
ATTENTION
Civil War is bad for our country. As much as we all may have our differences, I think we can all agree that this is self destructive and bad for our country.
We have bigger problems to worry about.
We should hold a second vote, in light of recent events. Whoever holds the most support will become the rightful ruler, and the other side shall immediately move to play the surrender card. We have massive enemies to the south, and a powerful and untrustworthy force to the north. It it what is best for our country. It is what is best for our people.
In the game of war, the only winning move is not to play.
Haspen said we have three turns to play his fun card game before things begin to negatively impact Methiant.
Post by: Draignean on November 17, 2017, 10:51:20 pm
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [5] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf, Prophet, Draignean
Loyalists Surrender: [4] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges, Maximum Spin.
Also, I'm voting for the first and second loyalist cards to be played, but I have no strong opinion's on who should be our field marshal.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 17, 2017, 10:51:50 pm
I read that as, she's slept with him but not often. It would have been a far bigger deal if the kid had popped up without having ever slept with Yoe II.He was born in 1099 so he is 13/14.Oh, lol, I'm bad at math. That's a lot better then a four year old. Although still notably really really bad in this critical moment in history. Three great powers are rising, and we're literally in the middle of them....I don't understand the point being made? You guys literally just randomly began to accuse.
It wasn't really random that the wife who never slept with the king only became pregnant after she started hanging out with groups of "younger people"
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 10:53:21 pm
Also I assume Helmacon means the traitors have a surrender card, because the loyalists don't. It's also a good reason.Actually either side can forfeit by abstaining from play, the surrender card is just a formality.
Helmacon, the winning move is to get the other side not to play.
Criptfiend, if he ascends in wartime, isn't there a decent chance that Cyl will in fact be Martial? You don't know his trait yet you will condemn him for it?
Who is playing a dangerous game with our country: the heir and the rightful Queen Auvena whom Yoe chose, or the man who is bought with foreign gold? Maximum Spin, shall we not hold Caesar to as high a standard? This perfidy is proven!
Haspen rolled 1 for Civil War.
In any case, it seems we have three turns until permanent damage is done. If you want to quit early, why are you not laying down your own arms? Whose act is in your control?
Quote from: Support
Pretenders Surrender: [5] : Milo christiansen, Helmacon, Twinwolf, Prophet, Draignean
Loyalists Surrender: [4] : Puppyguard, Criptfeind, Zbridges, Maximum Spin
Continue: [1] : mightymushroom
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 10:54:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 10:58:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 10:59:21 pm
I read that as, she's slept with him but not often. It would have been a far bigger deal if the kid had popped up without having ever slept with Yoe II.
Not every cuck wants to admit what's a mathematical certainty
Or maybe the state of sex education for sheltered princes in our kingdom is as bad as one would expect from a medieval country.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Criptfiend, if he ascends in wartime, isn't there a decent chance that Cyl will in fact be Martial? You don't know his trait yet you will condemn him for it?
Well, since every trait has always been rolled for (with some rare exceptions where I think we once managed to turn a wise heir into a genius heir? And then got him shipped off in a bus) sorta. It'd be nice of Cyl was martial or charismatic... But... Why take the chance when we can have someone we already know is charismatic?
Who is playing a dangerous game with our country: the heir and the rightful Queen Auvena whom Yoe chose, or the man who is bought with foreign gold? Maximum Spin, shall we not hold Caesar to as high a standard?
Auvena is certainly faithful. Can't fault her for that. But Luath is also the son of Yoe the first, he's a man backed by one of our greatest allies (which I think is not as bad a thing as people seem to point out... It's not like the empire is sending him cash.) and has already proven himself a highly faithful and good king. He wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for the best of the kingdom. Which it truly truly is.
Post by: Prophet on November 17, 2017, 11:01:44 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 17, 2017, 11:02:32 pm
Anyway since I doubt that this is going to end with one side surrendering right now I'm going to add my vote to Draignean's suggestion of using the First and Second Loyalist Cards.
Agreed, and recycle the third. We need to appoint a marshal to make the decision final though, don't we?
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 11:04:24 pm
It would help if I didn't have four new messages to sort out every time I wanted to post. Things got furious rather suddenly there.It was actually Draignean who screwed it up before you.
he's a man backed by one of our greatest allies (which I think is not as bad a thing as people seem to point out... It's not like the empire is sending him cash.)I think this is an actively good thing, personally. Hell, it'd be better if they were sending him cash. Then we'd have more cash.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 11:07:33 pm
Post by: omada on November 17, 2017, 11:09:15 pm
The witch stuff is overreaction (okay, she didn't prove to be a very nice person) but damn, I think regency will be in the hands of her new wife
The problem is if the Cyl is not really son of Yoe II, i mean, it won't matter much, but we spent a lot of money to give health to the family, and I don't know if it only counts those of the same blood or married
The pretenders that are voting to surrender are also voting for using their card of surrender?
To the loyalists wanting to surrender, if this civil war is going to continue, i suggest the grand-campaign card. 4 army points will force the game to stop, either with overwhelming victory or unglorious defeat that will certainly looks cool on the history
"Hey, you knew that last month they entered a civil war? it only lasted 1 month"
"what?"
"Yes, Segeda brought a fuckton of troops against Luath"
"And?"
"Luath with a small force drove them back, nobody wanted to fight after this shame/ what do you think? he was cleaned from the lands in seconds"
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 11:09:59 pm
I guess us true loyalists (since we're loyal to Methiant and it's royal line instead of a witch) the pretenders should talke a bit about the cards, since I think that got sorta buried by now. I think we need to play our third card to counter their attack. But the other two aren't worth playing and should be recycled.Concur.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 11:11:58 pm
The pretenders that are voting to surrender are also voting for using their card of surrender?
No one's actually voting too surrender. Just who they think should surrender. Predictably the loyalists are saying the pretenders should surrender, the pretenders are saying the loyalists should.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 17, 2017, 11:13:59 pm
No one's actually voting too surrender. Just who they think should surrender. Predictably the loyalists are saying the pretenders should surrender, the pretenders are saying the loyalists should.Except Helmacon the Traitor. :P
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 11:17:08 pm
But Luath is also the son of Yoe the first, he's a man backed by one of our greatest allies (which I think is not as bad a thing as people seem to point out... It's not like the empire is sending him cash.)Funny, I thought Eldrican is
My Loyalist vote, in case it was missed back there, is to use the Second and Third Loyalist cards. Let's get this over with quickly if we can.
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2017, 11:18:59 pm
No one's actually voting too surrender. Just who they think should surrender. Predictably the loyalists are saying the pretenders should surrender, the pretenders are saying the loyalists should.Except Helmacon the Traitor. :P
I am loyal to the realm, thank you very much.
Post by: Culise on November 17, 2017, 11:19:27 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 11:20:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2017, 11:21:17 pm
What? You think the Eldricans will be better friends with the people they are actively trying to dispose then the people they are trying to get into ruler ship?But Luath is also the son of Yoe the first, he's a man backed by one of our greatest allies (which I think is not as bad a thing as people seem to point out... It's not like the empire is sending him cash.)Funny, I thought Eldrican isone of our biggestour only customer. They yearn for those gemstones. Auvena and Cyl are prepared to make guarantees they will have them. As well as upholding the bretrothal promised with Crown Prince Cyl, whom the Pretenders intend to behead.
The relationship might be salvageable, but it clearly won't be as strong if the pretenders don't win. You know, past the fact that without a charismatic king all our relationships will be less strong once the witch gets her grasp on the throne.
I am loyal to the realm, thank you very much.
Sometimes the hard decision is in fact the right one.
Really, this is all madness. Everyone says the other side should surrender, but really, everyone should surrender to Queen Dogethe. :P
I can get behind this.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 17, 2017, 11:23:22 pm
Really, this is all madness. Everyone says the other side should surrender, but really, everyone should surrender to Queen Dogethe. :P
Actually, playing as the queen as she invades the fractured land of Methiant sounds kinda fun...
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2017, 11:35:55 pm
The third card will dangerously deplete our armies, while discarding it will allow us to gain a large chunk of troops for later. No, the first card is our best bet.The other two replenish them. We need to end this in as few rounds as possible. There is no later. It's possibly our strongest card, and who knows when we'll draw it again?
((Thinking broadly, this includes ending it with an unfortunate loss due to our high stakes strategy. I'm not for throwing the match (at least play until the damage point) but I can accept an honest loss. It's not like we'll be kicked out of the thread for choosing a side.))
Really, this is all madness. Everyone says the other side should surrender, but really, everyone should surrender to Queen Dogethe. :PNow there's a strong ruler! And not bound by that
Post by: melkor on November 18, 2017, 03:02:06 am
i love it.
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Post by: Iituem on November 18, 2017, 03:02:29 am
I guess us true loyalists (since we're loyal to Methiant and it's royal line instead of a witch) the pretenders should talke a bit about the cards, since I think that got sorta buried by now. I think we need to play our third card to counter their attack. But the other two aren't worth playing and should be recycled.Concur.
Agreed. Also joining the Pretenders. Let's spend Card 3, eat Card 1 for lovely bonuses and laugh uproariously at Card 2.
Logic: The Loyalists (whose cards I haven't looked at, but guessing from chatter they've got lots of Army options) are probably going to try and Alpha Strike us to death. Playing Card 3 gives us a chance to ameliorate some of the damage. As the Pretenders, a lot of our cards benefit more from treasury to buy foreign support, so maybe it's better to just build that stat up by eating Card 1 instead of spending it?
Post by: Imic on November 18, 2017, 03:38:45 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 04:49:49 am
Bit sad that Luath went against what we'd established about him as being kind of a Good Duede, but whatcha gonna do?
Post by: Haspen on November 18, 2017, 05:11:51 am
grazt haspen you have not only created a civil war ingame you have also created a civil war outside of the game.
i love it.
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Imic for Loyalists, Iituem for Pretenders.
Quote from: Card Use this turn
Loyalists:
Use Loyalist Regiments and Defend the Nation!
Recycle The Grand Campaign
Pretender:
Use Charge!
Recycle Dealings with the Friends Abroad and To The Greener Pastures
Still no guy on both sides whom I can ask for cards to pick rather than having to comb the thread for votes v;
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 05:23:36 am
Although maybe we can just become a republican revolt instead. We've not had a single clean succession yet and honestly the king quality has left a lot to be desired as well. Elective monarchy or bust!
Post by: Haspen on November 18, 2017, 05:56:08 am
Pretender counters with Charge! (-2 Army)
BATTLE! Loyalist 3d6 = 18, Pretender 2d6 = 11
Pretender's Battle Score is lowered by 7!
In late Autumn 1113 AD, the Loyalist and Pretender forces clashed in Battle of Aólnach, and the Loyalists were victorious.
Loyalists play Defend the Nation! (-1 Loyalty, +1 Army)
Loyalists discard The Grand Campaign (+1 Treasury, +3 Army)
Pretender discards To The Greener Pastures and Dealings with the Friends Abroad (+2 Treasury)
STATUS AFTER TURN 1:
Loyalists:
4 Loyalty, 6 Treasury, 7 Army.
Battle Score: 0
Pretender:
5 Loyalty, 7 Treasury, 3 Army.
Battle Score: -7
Civil War, Turn 2 (Spring 1114 AD)
Both sides receive new set of Cards!
Spoiler: Loyalist Cards (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pretender Cards (click to show/hide)
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 06:07:28 am
Post by: Iituem on November 18, 2017, 06:07:57 am
Edit: I'd argue against playing Card 1; it would deplete our Army dangerously and only damage resources the enemy has a-plenty, making us vulnerable to a similar tactic from their side.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 06:09:24 am
Pretenders: Let us spend our hard-stolen cash on Cards 2 & 3, to bolster ourselves against the fight and defend against the threat of 'Loyalist' scum!
Edit: I'd argue against playing Card 1; it would deplete our Army dangerously and only damage resources the enemy has a-plenty, making us vulnerable to a similar tactic from their side.
Good point, +1 to this!
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 18, 2017, 06:25:09 am
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 08:09:44 am
Also on the matter of who picks the cards - I'd be willing to do it for the Loyalists if nobody else wants to.
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 08:27:05 am
Pretenders: Let us spend our hard-stolen cash on Cards 2 & 3, to bolster ourselves against the fight and defend against the threat of 'Loyalist' scum!I didn't know the whole turn would move WHILENOTHING HAPPENED in the span of my waking day :P
Edit: I'd argue against playing Card 1; it would deplete our Army dangerously and only damage resources the enemy has a-plenty, making us vulnerable to a similar tactic from their side.
Hmpf! Glad to know we can play 2 cards.
So I tallied all them cards since I guess we can RP lite, here. Because Quartermasters take care of CHARTS AND GRAPHS for people right? Not food?
Also used cards aren't in play right? :v Because I removed what we used.
Spoiler: TRUE LOYALIST {Pretenders} ARSENAL (click to show/hide)
Cash it up on 2&3, yep! Save or use #1 though, but recycling or not using 2 seems best since it is a contested battle.
Although if we use nothing, they get a free shot if they attack...
Say how many cards can we use again? I missed the post which said so. :-[
Post by: mightymushroom on November 18, 2017, 08:39:12 am
Post by: Haspen on November 18, 2017, 08:51:15 am
Quote from: Card Use this Turn
Loyalists:
Use The Grand Campaign
Recycle The Great Purge and Abandon the Throne
Pretender:
Use Foreign Auxiliaries and Supplies From Abroad
Recycle Spread-Out Siege Campaign
Because both sides now have Leaders, all I need from now on is simply Twinwolf's and Maximum Spin's bolded decisions to do the updates ;v
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 08:52:21 am
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 08:55:31 am
Twinwolf for leader of Loyalist side and Maximum Spin for leader of Pretender side, then.Pick 1 and 3, leader! 2 is just tiny and small! :-\
Post by: mightymushroom on November 18, 2017, 09:13:15 am
Any so-called Loyalist who argues with that one can do so while shoveling out the latrine pits.
*salute* Sir, may I present my general advice:
- Looking at the full decks, I see that most "Enemy loses resources" cards strike for 1 or sometimes 2 points. This is the dangerous level we must keep in mind when spending.
- The wincons and rules of Battle encourage playing those cards whenever possible; by extension our Army is the most important resource to have on hand. (The Spymaster notes the dastardly pretender has more options to use treasury instead.)
- I reiterate my call to end this as quickly as possible, for the good of all Methiant. Never hold back any reasonable play for income. Take chances, even; card game resources may or may not translate directly to kingdom resources at the end but I'm very sure that prolonged war will scar the land, lose our new silver mine, etc.
And Tiruin, I feel your pain. One of our cards was revised while I slept and I didn't have a chance to argue it based on the new balance.
Told you guys we should play it! Would have been great!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 09:22:52 am
Post by: Suppaidaman! on November 18, 2017, 11:02:58 am
Post by: Paxiecrunchle on November 18, 2017, 11:37:57 am
Post by: Haspen on November 18, 2017, 12:13:12 pm
Pretender counters with Foreign Auxiliaries (-1 Treasury)
BATTLE! Loyalists 4d6 = 10, Pretender 1d6 = 5
Pretender's Battle Score is lowered by 5!
In mid-Spring 1114 AD, a Grand Campaign of Loyalists forces ended rather badly, the most decisive battle was between 6.000 strong Loyalist force that lost most of its soldiers against 1.500 Pretender soldiers who were relatively unharmed.
Pretender plays Supplies From Abroad (-1 Treasury, +5 Battle Score)
In late Spring 1114 AD, the dwarven involvement in Methiantese Civil War was evident, their supplies relieving the battered forces of the Pretender.
Loyalists discard The Great Purge and Abandon the Throne (+3 Loyalty)
Pretender discards Spread-Out Siege Campaign (+2 Army)
STATUS AFTER TURN 1:
Loyalists:
7 Loyalty, 5 Treasury, 4 Army.
Battle Score: 0
Pretender:
5 Loyalty, 5 Treasury, 5 Army.
Battle Score: -7
Civil War, Turn 3 (Autumn 1114 AD)
New sets of Cards arrive for the warring Sides!
Spoiler: Loyalist Cards (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pretender Cards (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 12:22:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 12:23:09 pm
Urban Massacre just costs too much of a stat we don't have THAT much of.
Post by: omada on November 18, 2017, 12:23:49 pm
both are so far from -30 battlescore.
I am almost willing to join myself this war just to see the world burn
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 12:24:45 pm
Too be honest, I think fixing up our own stats is still the priority. I think we pretenders (or true loyalists rather) should just use supplies from Abroad, and burn the other two.Good point >_> And I'm not checking their cards at all--but presuming they have similar powers, we need to save that.
Urban Massacre just costs too much of a stat we don't have THAT much of.
Go for 2 instead, Maximum Spin.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 12:26:39 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 18, 2017, 01:05:43 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 18, 2017, 01:07:47 pm
Not super great cards this turn. I'm thinking to use the first and second and discard the third. Any thoughts on that before I make a bold action?
Yeah, not excellent this turn, but as choices go that looks okay to me. We can afford to spend some loyalty.
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 01:08:26 pm
Pretenders: Actually, I would like to second Pretender Support Unit #7's original suggestion; Use #1 and #2, burn #3, and here is for why; if we burn 3, we regain most of the stat we'd spend on 1 in order to inflict additional damage. It's an optimal combination of loss/gain. The recovery from 2 is essential to our survival anyway, so we might as well call it.Support Unit #7 would note the importance of Cryptfiend's advice (who totally isn't a demon UNLIKE THOSE "LOYALIST" SCUM), we need to play safe at this time when we have little to gain and more to heal.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 01:09:34 pm
Pretenders: Actually, I would like to second Pretender Support Unit #7's original suggestion; Use #1 and #2, burn #3, and here is for why; if we burn 3, we regain most of the stat we'd spend on 1 in order to inflict additional damage. It's an optimal combination of loss/gain. The recovery from 2 is essential to our survival anyway, so we might as well call it.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 01:11:52 pm
Pretenders: Actually, I would like to second Pretender Support Unit #7's original suggestion; Use #1 and #2, burn #3, and here is for why; if we burn 3, we regain most of the stat we'd spend on 1 in order to inflict additional damage. It's an optimal combination of loss/gain. The recovery from 2 is essential to our survival anyway, so we might as well call it.Nah. Actually, we straight up loose the game if we use the first one.
We go from 5 to 3 on their action, then 3 to 0 on our action, then loose before we can get back up to 2.
We're obligated to burn the first one. And since the third one isn't that great we might as well burn it as well.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 01:15:30 pm
Nah. Actually, we straight up loose the game if we use the first one.
We go from 5 to 3 on their action, then 3 to 0 on our action, then loose before we can get back up to 2.
We're obligated to burn the first one. And since the third one isn't that great we might as well burn it as well.
We get 2 back from burning the third, so it's not all that dire.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 01:17:37 pm
That sort of sounds like you're looking at our cards :PPretenders: Actually, I would like to second Pretender Support Unit #7's original suggestion; Use #1 and #2, burn #3, and here is for why; if we burn 3, we regain most of the stat we'd spend on 1 in order to inflict additional damage. It's an optimal combination of loss/gain. The recovery from 2 is essential to our survival anyway, so we might as well call it.Nah. Actually, we straight up loose the game if we use the first one.
We go from 5 to 3 on their action, then 3 to 0 on our action, then loose before we can get back up to 2.
We're obligated to burn the first one. And since the third one isn't that great we might as well burn it as well.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 18, 2017, 01:18:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 01:23:05 pm
Nah. Actually, we straight up loose the game if we use the first one.
We go from 5 to 3 on their action, then 3 to 0 on our action, then loose before we can get back up to 2.
We're obligated to burn the first one. And since the third one isn't that great we might as well burn it as well.
We get 2 back from burning the third, so it's not all that dire.
That's not how the order of operations works. The recycled cards are only recycled at the end of all other actions. And loss happens immediately upon hitting zero.
That sort of sounds like you're looking at our cards :P
There's no rule that says we can't!
Pretender: Just use #1.
To clarify so it's perfectly clear. Any pretender voting to use the first card is voting to loose. That's how the game mechanics work (and yes, I asked the GM)
Post by: Tiruin on November 18, 2017, 01:25:32 pm
I may be blunt but I really feel like you did that given that wording back there o_OThat sort of sounds like you're looking at our cards :P
There's no rule that says we can't!
I just agreed way back because seeing what cards we got, it is a good plan to play safe [despite rebels being stereotyped as bloodthirsty KEEL IMPEERYALS, this isn't a good idea if we're playing fine].
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 01:44:34 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 01:58:07 pm
That's not how the order of operations works. The recycled cards are only recycled at the end of all other actions. And loss happens immediately upon hitting zero.
Ah, thought it only would have checked for a 0 at the end of the turn, but looks like that's just an unfounded assumption. Bizarre, but I suppose you've got me there.
A vote for #2 it is! Here's to a protracted civil war followed by vassalization at the hands of Cydwyl!
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 02:30:55 pm
A vote for #2 it is! Here's to a protracted civil war followed by vassalization at the hands of Cydwyl!
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2017, 02:36:17 pm
With the power of LOYALTY and the ability of our skilled Lord Marshal Twinwolf we shall drive out the foreign scum who wish to prey upon our beautiful country in it's time of weakness!
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 18, 2017, 02:41:30 pm
just proving our point there ya know
If everyone loses, that's almost as good as us winning!
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 03:07:32 pm
Use first and second cards, discard third.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 18, 2017, 04:55:07 pm
Post by: Imic on November 18, 2017, 05:39:00 pm
Use the Purge, anyone?
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 06:03:14 pm
Upon actually playing this, I'm actually not sure any more. Which dpcard do we use? Which side is right? Probably the pretenders now that I think if it, which means that the world is ending.I don't think the pretenders are correct considering they've yet to provide an actual solid argument :p
Use the Purge, anyone?
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2017, 06:12:42 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 18, 2017, 06:26:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 18, 2017, 06:39:50 pm
As for which side is right:
Mechanics-wise: there is an argument for Luath as a known charismatic beats Cyl the unknown boy-king. Adult vs. regency is moot due to the length of this war.
Roleplay-wise: the case against Cyl is speculative and full of holes at best: Yoe refused to even contemplate illegitimacy and therefore for legal purposes – as succession very much is! – Cyl is clearly in the right.
Card game setup-wise: reading the flavor text on the cards emphasizes the loyalty of the Loyalists and the outside influence on the Pretenders. I think Luath was a decent guy while we played him, but the story now demands a money-grabbing usurper and so he becomes almost a Greek-tragedy protagonist undone by that flaw – if he loses, of course. If Luath wins then I suppose he'll return to being the steady statesman with vision beyond the parochial interests of a few entrenched nobles.
Lametania, Ceodwell, and Eldrican have all gone against deals they have made with us. In fact the only one that hasn't broken it's word is Cylwyl but they have proven themselves to be unpredictable and opportunistic.In Lametania's defense, the reason for the betrayal clearly lay in our inability/unwillingness to send aid against the forgotten beast. After that it got a bit complex, but it was more wariness than feuding until we invaded the Queen's homeland. And in Cydwyl's defense, I agree that Dogethe is steamrolling, but so do we when we have the army to spare – Felonsein being case in point. It's not a reason to distrust her reflexively, although I am cautious regarding the day she loses power. Ceodwell was in a similar position of being consistently friendly until an upstart usurper took over. And then we had ample warning and a bit of confiscated silver, not an army pouring across the border. Yes NPCs tend to behave as the story dictates, but individual characters generally stay true to themselves.
Eldrican boasted to our face about how opportunistic they are. I'm not defending them. But to obtain crucial war materiel, we may still need them.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 06:58:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 18, 2017, 08:24:20 pm
I am of the general opinion that we shouldn't look at each other's cards by the way. It doesn't seem very fair or logical. Of course, no way to prove anyone did or did not so that'd be sorta honor system.
I will be looking at all the turn three cards and arguing for whichever side has the means to throw the game to do so. I'd rather this not go past turn three, and my preference as to who wins is not all that great.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 08:29:32 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 18, 2017, 09:33:48 pm
Shall the Loyalists consider Option Zed: lay down arms? Is it Cyl we're fighting for, or the good of the country when a usurper has arisen? "Good of the country" has broad connotations.
For my own part, I would say yes if and only if I had assurances that the write up would be something like: the fifteen year old
The Pretenders never had a case against Cyl, only accusations against Segeda. I want to see those upset as a condition of appeasing the insurrection. Let them feast on their bile, wondering if she will return. (Ironically, if they truly believe those aspersions, they are perhaps more likely to see any hidden truth revealed in the initial biography and/or further events when Cyl becomes the Player Character.)
Failing such a guarantee, I am prepared to risk one round of extended harm, then decide from there. Technically, after all, we have the stronger battle position at the moment. Just not as much as the cards we used could have given us.
Also, this round is Autumn. Cyl's birthday is Mid-Spring, so he is officially old enough to rule in his own right.
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Uncle Luath,
I can guess your answer yet honor and decency compel me to ask: once you promised to stand aside so I might inherit Father's legacy, will you now abide by that vow as I come to my majority?
It would be easier to ask if I were in a position of strength, I suppose. Indeed, even of weakness so that I could claim the bravery of desperation. My councils tell me I am winning, having held the battlefield so far, but I can read a map and I see our respective positions little changed. How much longer this might drag out I cannot know, nor, Uncle, can you.
I suppose your disdain of Mother must have played no small part in your decision. I know of her undiplomatic nature; indeed I have suffered her venom more often and more keenly than most through the years. Even you, Uncle, received but a part of what I heard day by day. In my upbringing she enforced upon me the elements of courtesy toward my elders, but it is from Father and from you, Uncle, that I learned to respect them. When Father sent her away, I hoped to see more of you but still you never appeared in our apartments. I tell you, fear not that Mother will have undue influence in my court, if that is what alarms you: I intend to give her a similar treatment for similar reasons of state.
If it is money that drives you, well, I can make no promises there that you would believe. Yet even as you piled up the nation's treasury I did not think you more loyal to gold than to the people. The stories I hear have greatly alarmed my good opinion of you on that score. Do not prove them true.
Your nephew,
Cyl, Heir Ascendant to the Throne of Methiant
A postscript in my own hand, Uncle, that I dar'st not entrust to the scribes: I can vouch for my own experience that I never knew Mother to engage in magickal arts of any hue; but if your many allegations of witchery were amended to be spelt with a 'b' then we should be in total agreement.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 09:43:13 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2017, 09:46:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 10:11:24 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 18, 2017, 10:12:41 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 18, 2017, 10:14:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 10:15:08 pm
Ignorant peasants will believe what they will believe :PSo will ignorant voters who willfully blind themselves to the best course for Methiant.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 10:22:08 pm
I would personally agree to back Cyl's claim if you can present a DNA test.I know we're anachronistically scientifically oriented but that's a bit of a stretch :P
You say it's arbitrary, but it's apparently good enough to have thrown half the country against Cyl.
They literally are, you guys just started calling Segeda evil out of nowhere at some point, and I don't even know the reasons for saying Cyl is illegitimate (when legally yes, he is) or evil (like actually what)
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 18, 2017, 10:40:12 pm
I don't even know the reasons for saying Cyl is illegitimate (when legally yes, he is) or evil (like actually what)This is a monarchy, so illegitimate == evil. And we suspect he might be (factually, regardless of legally) illegitimate, which means he cannot be permitted to take the throne. The risk of someone without royal blood taking the throne is inconceivable.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 18, 2017, 10:45:12 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 18, 2017, 10:48:49 pm
Also, again - I don't think it'd have been so ambiguous if Cyl was really illegitimate. It'd have been more a "I know he's illegitimate but we're going to lie to secure rule" than a "I'm pretty sure he's mine so let's go with this".
Also-also, going off the cards, Cyl has the popular support - which would be quite important, especially after a civil war. If the unpopular candidate wins, you're looking at a lasting insurgency from loyalists - which in a time like this is the last thing you want.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 18, 2017, 11:43:22 pm
This is a monarchy, so illegitimate == evil. And we suspect he might be (factually, regardless of legally) illegitimate, which means he cannot be permitted to take the throne. The risk of someone without royal blood taking the throne is inconceivable.What kind of backward, twisted monarchy do you live in? They change hands all the time. Yoe I was a first generation king, for crying out loud. What matters is that the ruler have the mandate of heaven and various signs of backing from the gods. Luath's backing is from the western expansionists.
Arguably the first sign of insanity was the phantom 'assassin' that looked exactly like dead Gedavina, of whom nobody else ever found a trace: long before Segeda showed up. The rest is built out of mild, half-baked and never investigated suspicions reported in the narration of Yoe's own thoughts, later proved to be suspect. Even the bit about hanging out with strangers was entirely an unconfirmed "rumor" – the Segeda we met kept staidly to herself in the library – if not the product of Yoe's diseased mind hearing what did not exist. The insanity was cured and our first act afterward was to send her out of the story. You Pretenders defy justice and logic by claiming the lack of evidence as your bastard "proof" and pretending the onus is on her to refute an empty set!
I would personally agree to back Cyl's claim if you can present a DNA test.Surely if you are so concerned about royal blood you have positive proof of Queen Auga's constancy. We submit a sample to the same service. :P
Post by: Tiruin on November 19, 2017, 12:03:17 am
Pick 1 and 2, DEAR LEADER. Because we cannot be faithful to our cause if we end up ruining the place we seek to control and guide in the future.I don't even know the reasons for saying Cyl is illegitimate (when legally yes, he is) or evil (like actually what)This is a monarchy, so illegitimate == evil. And we suspect he might be (factually, regardless of legally) illegitimate, which means he cannot be permitted to take the throne. The risk of someone without royal blood taking the throne is inconceivable.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 12:10:00 am
Pick 1 and 2, DEAR LEADER. Because we cannot be faithful to our cause if we end up ruining the place we seek to control and guide in the future.Sorry, am I reading here "we cannot ruin the place we seek to control and guide, therefore let's totally play the card that explicitly states we will be massacring an entire city"? :P
Post by: Tiruin on November 19, 2017, 12:20:24 am
It made sense and a choice people would've picked until someonePick 1 and 2, DEAR LEADER. Because we cannot be faithful to our cause if we end up ruining the place we seek to control and guide in the future.Sorry, am I reading here "we cannot ruin the place we seek to control and guide, therefore let's totally play the card that explicitly states we will be massacring an entire city"? :P
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 02:13:42 am
Post by: Iituem on November 19, 2017, 02:16:07 am
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 04:40:11 am
Pretender plays Urban Massacre (-3 Loyalty, Loyalists: -2 Treasury, -1 Army, -1 Loyalty)
Loyalists:
3 Loyalty, 3 Treasury, 3 Army.
Battle Score: 0
Pretender:
0! Loyalty, 4 Treasury, 4 Army.
Battle Score: -7
Pretender loses the Civil War! (Loyalty at 0 or lower)
The atrocities conducted by the Pretender and the purges carreid out by the Loyalists helped erode all support for the Pretender. In the late Autumn 1114 AD, the forces of Pretender imploded and were quickly ran over by the Loyalists. The Pretender and his family has been killed, and peace officially returned to Kingdom of Methiant by the end of Year 1114 AD.
1115 AD
You are Cyl, son of Yoe II.
Your uncle has risen against your mother and the regency council two years ago. But the bloody and sad civil war is now thing of the past. Uncle Luath has been drawn and quartered, while his wife and children were thrown into dungeons without food or water.
The Kingdom hasn't fared well at the turn of the decade, but at least it didn't go any worse, right?
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1,1,2,0
Your shrewd mother managed to get some monetary aid from Queen Dogethe, as fortunately the campaign against Helliste was a success even if Segeda pulled Methiantese troops from the north at very beginning of the war. She also managed to dig up some extra coin from the peasantry without stirring it up.
More soldiers perished in the civil war than the northern campaign, to be honest, but the courtiers reassure that this is only temporary.
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1
You were born lucky, it is the only explanation for the fact that your uncle has fallen and the civil war ended swiftly before it could bring any real ruination to the Kingdom.
Now you ponder, what regnal name should you pick up. Hmm.
Your father was a decent ruler, but in last years of his life he overextended the Treasury and taxed peasants rather harshly, so common sense dictates you do not take on his mantle.
No, you decide to be original; to promise your subjects a fresh start, and decide to use your name as regnal name. Long Live King Cyl I!
The first to come and congratulate is of course the Advisor; with those Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 4
Population: 6
Economy: 5
Army: 4
You're not sure exactly what those numbers mean and the Advisor seems content on babbling nonsensically about them, oh well.
1115 AD, Spring
As of waiting for just this moment, an emissary of King Elran III of Eldrican shows up at your gates few days after your coronation.
He takes off his funny hat and bows to you with a smile.
"Greetings and congratulations on your successful ascension to the throne of Methiant, King Cyl! My master has sent me here a year earlier but considering the little... indecency that was happening in your Kingdom in past years I decided to stay with Ankurvat dwarves for a while. Now that the roads are safe, let me announce that King Elran III is fully ready to send his beautiful daughter, Esta, to become your wife, per agreement your father had with my liege."
Your dearest mom, Queen Mother Segeda, steps out of the side of the room and up to your throne.
"The traitor Luath had support of various mercenaries from the west. You think we do not know that King Elran did naught to stop his subjects from ravaging our beloved country under the banners of the Pretender?" You decide to...
A) Agree with your mother and break the marriage agreement with Kingdom of Eldrican.
B) Tell your mother to shush and inform the emissary that you will be honored to have Esta as your wife.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 19, 2017, 04:46:24 am
Misread the way around they were.
Post by: melkor on November 19, 2017, 04:55:59 am
B
Post by: ZBridges on November 19, 2017, 05:01:12 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 05:04:33 am
In any case, B! Shut up mom, you can't tell us what to do anymore.
Post by: Iituem on November 19, 2017, 05:23:29 am
Post by: Imic on November 19, 2017, 05:46:59 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 07:29:09 am
Even the Loyalists never claimed she was a likable person. Someone that shrill should never ever conduct diplomacy. We just refused to accept the leap from "Segeda is unsympathetic" to "Segeda is evil" and thence to "Segeda is guilty of every unwitnessed evil thing anyone ever said."
Changing the subject to luck:
Anyone else notice that both Yoes died in a fall when their horses rolled a 1?! We should immediately start an anti-brainwashing program for horses who might be enemy agents. (Because I didn't do enough damage with my last random conspiracy theory (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7603751#msg7603751), heh heh . . . )
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 07:37:59 am
Anyone else notice that both Yoes died in a fall when their horses rolled a 1?! We should immediately start an anti-brainwashing program for horses who might be enemy agents. (Because I didn't do enough damage with my last random conspiracy theory (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7603751#msg7603751), heh heh . . . )
Alternatively, we should just not ride horses. I wonder if those dragon mounts we didn't get that one time would give us more luck :P
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 07:40:25 am
You tell your mother to shush, apologize for her behavior and proclaim your wish to marry Esta as soon as possible. The envoy leaves happy, your mother leaves unhappy.
1115 AD, Mid-Spring
First, a tremor occured a week ago. And now, the sky turned reddish.
Citizens of the capital city and your courtiers murmur in panic and fear as they do not know what is happening. What has been observed that this crimson sky came from the north, perhaps from beyond the lands of Queen Dogethe. The vault guards do report that the Scepter is glowing again, but with bright pulse that was unseen before during any storm or other disaster.
The holy books of Pantheon do speak that this is the Decade of Blood, where blood is ought to manifest and spell disaster upon the world. At an emergency council, you decide to...
A) Seek a Wizard to thwart this end of the world event or whatever this is.
B) Donate upon altars of the Pantheon so that the Gods protect Methiant from harm.
C) Ignore this strange event and continue preparations for the wedding with Esta.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 07:49:48 am
No, check that. No need to take chances with a decade of misfortune.
Both A & B if possible. Else A for preference.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 07:55:17 am
Post by: Imic on November 19, 2017, 08:03:12 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 19, 2017, 08:29:38 am
Maybe we can go on a quest and get killed and have another civil war.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 09:02:27 am
Have you guys learned nothing from Yoe II?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 09:08:02 am
B.
Have you guys learned nothing from Yoe II?
You're deluding yourself pretty hard if you think a wizard isn't approprate here. Or even isn't appropriate back for Yoe II
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 09:10:04 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 09:11:39 am
I know this delusion helps you avoid thinking of any potential consequences of your actions in the civil war (oh, look Segeda is trying to control us, what a surprise). But that's how it happened.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 09:13:37 am
No, he was cursed. A wizard could have saved him. But he rolled a series of really bad rolls....Haspen has literally told me that he added the wizard thing as a troll option that time. That is what I am going off of.
I know this delusion helps you avoid thinking of any potential consequences of your actions in the civil war (oh, look Segeda is trying to control us, what a surprise). But that's how it happened.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 09:16:12 am
It's seriously backward thinking to look at a game like this, see a roll of like 1, 1, 1, and say "Well, that was the wrong decision"
Either way though, do you really think it's a troll to ask for a wizard when the sky is red, our magic scepter is dying, and the priests are saying it's the end of the world?
Maybe this is all in the kings head! Maybe thinking about it will cause mental illness (because that's how mental illness works too!) and maybe the wizard can't cure mental illness specifically brought on by thinking about wizards. It's their secret kyptonite.
Too bad Luath is dead. Because it seems Cyl is totally fucked if that's true.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 09:18:39 am
I still don't think it's the right one - the wizard seems the high risk, high reward option, and coming out of a civil war, high risk is not something we want.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 09:20:55 am
(I'd also argue that wizards are typically pretty low risk actually. They put the king in direct danger normally, but they don't ask for us to put the kingdom at risk.)
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 09:26:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 09:31:58 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 19, 2017, 09:48:57 am
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 10:08:01 am
This is all rendered moot when first travelers from the north come; the Smoke Mountain is no more.
A powerful explosion torn apart the ever-smoldering peak, with mighty flames, fiery rocks and pillar of smoke raising up to the heavens. The dust and ash has turned the skies in the north dark red and even ashen, causing people to believe it is end of the world. Many a coastal settlement in Helliste and Albion has been flooded by the tsunami propelled by the earthquake that followed.
A) Even more appropriate to seek a Wizard so who can fix the Smoking Mountain.
B) The gods are angry! We ought to donate to the Pantheon so that the deities fix the Smoking Mountain.
C) This doesn't sound like it will pass quickly... we better stockpile on supplies.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 10:09:18 am
C!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 10:19:11 am
Post by: Iituem on November 19, 2017, 10:27:42 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 19, 2017, 10:30:48 am
Everyone else can pay for the wizard.
Post by: birdy51 on November 19, 2017, 10:35:22 am
The rest of the world will solve this. We just need to be prepared for the backlash.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 11:15:14 am
Play Card 2, discard 1 and 3.
I specifically vetoed changing this.
Well, I guess we're stuck with it now, so C.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 11:36:36 am
A fair point - and normally in such a situation, the risk would be lower. If we hadn't just gotten out of a civil war, I would vote A. But we did - and losing the king so immediately would be terrible for the kingdom, maybe even leading to it tearing itself up in such a way it can't recover from, and I don't know that we have any options of new rulers if Cyl fails, unless we were allowed to put one of Cyl's sisters on the throne.
There is another son of Yoe II, Aethled. Incidentally, it's clear that Aethled is the one Yoe feared during his descent into madness (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7603229#msg7603229). Whether that fear had any basis or is connected to –
The holy books of Pantheon do speak that this is the Decade of Blood, where blood is ought to manifest– we're about to find out.
Then for this choice, C, start packing up the emergency cellars. I don't expect a fix will soon be had.
Card game feedback for Haspen:
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Post by: omada on November 19, 2017, 11:42:53 am
"HOLY FUCK CALL THE WIZARDS DONATE TO THESE PANTHEON WHO LET OUR FATHER DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE STAG STOCKPILLE RESOURCES
but anyhow C our scepter shall protect us, the dwarves surely have counter measures for their lands and any problem else arsing we can solve with luck and helping them
let's hope this disaster goes way down till damdamians land
(Fun fact, i dreamed that things like this would happen but coming from Eldrican lands)
At least this shall be soon an opportunity, somehow
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 12:23:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 12:25:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 12:28:38 pm
Haspen, any word on why the pretenders burned the city despite that being the exact opposite of what they decided to do?
I... might've mixed up Twinwolf and Maximum Spin's sides :T
You decide that this natural event will not come pass easily nor quickly. A great stockpiling of foodstuffs and other supplies is ordered.
1115 Ad, Late Spring
You marry Esta in a great ceremony that is shadowed by the calamity currently occuring across the lands. The darkness and blood of the skies persists, and the Scepter continues to pulsate.
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Unfortunately, the stockpiling of supplies simply doesn't work; foreign merchants do not want to give up foodstuffs easily nor cheaply, and the peasantry is too afraid for their own safety to share with others on governmental rules.
A) It seems that we ought to force the peasants to give up supplies. Don't they understand that it's for their own good?
B) It seems that we will need to toss money in the faces of those unscrupulous merchants after all.
C) Fine then, we will continue on as if nothing happens. Let's see how it will be when THEY will come begging for help!
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 12:29:51 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 19, 2017, 12:30:14 pm
Geeze our luck has been awful.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 12:30:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 12:32:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 12:35:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 12:43:16 pm
You decide to bribe the merchants to give up supplies.
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Unsurprisingly, once the traders are given money, they give you the supplies your country will need. Grain, cloth and medicine are deposited in army keeps and city garrisons.
1115 AD, Summer
Another not-surprise is the fact that from Kingdom of Cydwyl comes a horde of refugees. The panicking people have fled from the regions near border with Helliste while Dogethe's administration apparently runs around in circles, unable to deal with this crisis.
However, your governors are afraid that the sudden influx of migrants might only cause problems in the future. They ask the Crown how to deal with Cydwyl refugees.
A) Deny them entry to Methiant! By force, if its needed!
B) Regulate the inflow of refugees, to ensure they don't overwhelm border settlements.
C) Let them all in, for good or bad.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 12:45:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 12:49:58 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 12:54:50 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 19, 2017, 01:01:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 01:03:57 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 19, 2017, 01:35:15 pm
Post by: omada on November 19, 2017, 01:51:56 pm
1-5(or 8) pop 1 wealth
6(or 8)-? pop 2 wealth per year
?-? pop 3 wealth????
They are certainly bringing loads of whatever they can get at least
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 01:55:14 pm
1115 AD, Autumn
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The idea of regulation and distribution of migrants was truly a work of a genius! That's what the peoples say about the system which ensures that every family from the north finds its new home elsewhere in Methiant. Crime and discontent are negligible, and the immigrating peoples praise your name more than their beloved Queen Dogethe.
Few days later a messenger arrives with haste at your court, delivering a report from the city near the dwarven fief of Zasitost just to the east.
"My liege, the dwarves are fleeing en masse from behind the tall walls of Zasitost! Something terrible must've happened there, but the stubborn and ever proud dwarves refuse to tell the governor what is happening. He asks that you direct the Army there for protection of the border." Courtiers murmur amongst each other at this unusual event, and meanwhile, you decide to...
A) Send a letter to Zasitost, demanding that the dwarves tell you the truth.
B) Ignore the dwarven exodus, you have enough on your plate to deal with.
C) Agree to the demand and send the Army to the border with Zasitost.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 01:58:59 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 02:00:40 pm
Post by: omada on November 19, 2017, 02:04:55 pm
A If it is the governor asking the army to deal with dwarves
both if possible, without the dwarf killing part
God damn, and I thought that the civil war were making me scared
Let's try to be the hero of everybody
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 02:13:47 pm
Too bad we can't ask uncle Luath anymore, one of the war write-ups mentioned him getting aid from the dwarves. They might have filled him in on . . . stuff.
I wonder if there were dwarves tapping the Smoke Mountain? That sounds like something they might be mixed up in.
Post by: Baffler on November 19, 2017, 02:25:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 02:39:15 pm
1115 AD, Mid-Autumn
Two people want to meet with you; one is an envoy of Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl, the other is messenger bringing urgent news from border with the dwarven land of Zasitost.
A) Let the envoy first pls!
B) Get dat messenger to me, hup-hup!
Post by: Detoxicated on November 19, 2017, 02:39:47 pm
Generally I feel we should take them in and let them live in our lands if they respect our laws.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 02:40:29 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 02:40:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 19, 2017, 02:41:44 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 19, 2017, 02:41:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 02:42:43 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 02:45:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 02:58:01 pm
"My liege! Our officers have managed to, well, question some of the fleeing dwarves. It appears that they have, or the calamity of Smoking Mountain have, awoken up some underground force of evil that was sleeping deep within the earth. Their military and runemasters have had hard time containing the beast and more and more of underground levels of Zasitost Fortress are being lost, so preemptively the dwarves are sending their civilians away before the 'sealing' ritual is to take place." Your courtiers ask you for a course of action, as an underground evil is nothing to sneer at!
A) But that is dwarves' problem, not ours. Just keep on observing Zasitost, at least for now.
B) Time to preemptively hire some lvl40+ adventurers!
C) Time to send a letter to the dwarves, offering our assistance.
D) Time to send our Army to help the dwarves, no matter if their pride allows it or not.
E) Time to find a Wizard?
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 02:59:59 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 03:00:23 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 19, 2017, 03:00:46 pm
Proud or no, we must see if they need help.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 19, 2017, 03:01:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 03:02:13 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 19, 2017, 03:03:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 03:09:22 pm
"Greetings, King Cyl, I bring urgent request from Queen Dogethe. The vile easterners, the Agaresians, have begun a campaign against our colonies in the Wildlands. From some captured invaders we have learned that apparently the eruption of Smoking Mountain was the confirmation of their faith's mythology that their current leader is incarnation of some of their god of conquest or some such, and thus the Agaresians will become rulers of the world. Queen Dogethe asks that you provide any help; she promises to reward you greatly in return, of course after our peoples deal with this avalanche of catastrophes." You decide to...
A) Send your Army to Cydwyl so that they fight the Agaresians alongside Dogethe's men.
B) Send as much supplies and money as Treasury allows to help thwart this invasion.
C) Send some money, but not much, as your Kingdom isn't entirely in best shape either.
D) Turn the envoy away; Queen Dogethe is on her own this time!
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 03:12:30 pm
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This may be the best disposition of our A rmy, I doubt they'll be effective in dwarven tunnels. But try not to send all of them at once.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 03:13:12 pm
Post by: omada on November 19, 2017, 03:13:42 pm
DEMONS
ERUPTIONS
BLOOD
THE DAMDAMIANS WILL COME
I AM HUNGRY
NO FOOD ON THE KITCHEN
Post by: helmacon on November 19, 2017, 03:19:55 pm
she's a big girl, she can take care of herself. Our army is needed for the coming skeleton war.
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 03:21:43 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 19, 2017, 03:23:17 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 19, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 03:27:29 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 03:30:50 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 19, 2017, 03:34:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 19, 2017, 03:46:26 pm
Sometimes I really just can't follow how you guys work through this stuff...
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 04:07:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 04:15:12 pm
ccc
You decide to send your Army north to Kingdom of Cydwyl to help Queen Dogethe deal with the invaders from the east.
1115 AD, Late Autumn
There's a reply to your letter from the dwarves. It was written by the leader of Zasitost, and your courtiers say that only in most important matters do dwarven aristocrats reply personally rather than via envoys and messengers.
In the letter, the leader of Zasitost, one Vabuk Kobalak, says that they can deal with the emergency occuring in their fortress and that your assistance is not required at the moment.
Few days later you receive a report from your Army; Queen Dogethe has delegated it to guarding the core lands of the Kingdom while Cydwyl soldiers are battling Agaresians on the frontlines.
The same evening, one of the palace healers meets with you.
"My liege, I bring ill news about your wife's pregnancy. The child inside Queen Esta is either very large or some evil tumor has formed in the womb! Just a moment ago we helped the Queen through a bout of pains. Wise heads speak that many such painful pregnancies occured this year; surely it's an omen, a terrible curse!"
A) "Stop with those superstitions and take care of my wife properly, or else you shall suffer my wrath!"
B) "Evil tumor!? Send donations to the altars immediately, I do not wish to be a father to demonspawn!"
C) "Anybody but her! Announce a search for a Wizard, the curse must be lifted from my dearest wife!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 19, 2017, 04:16:31 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 04:16:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 19, 2017, 04:18:13 pm
in Before it turns out shes having Quadruplets because of our lucky trait.
Post by: omada on November 19, 2017, 04:19:24 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 19, 2017, 04:20:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 19, 2017, 04:21:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 04:26:04 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 04:32:44 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 04:39:15 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 19, 2017, 04:43:50 pm
We do not need a wizard for this.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 04:47:01 pm
We do not need a wizard for this.
It seems like it'd be a pretty good idea to get one for all the other outstanding concerns, however. Might as well get three (or likely more by the time we see either hide or hair of one) cataclysms with one wizard, no?
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 04:49:12 pm
(That said, I don't think we need one just now, health enchantment, remember)
Post by: Haspen on November 19, 2017, 05:01:33 pm
When you duck the silver goblet thrown by your wife, you realize that it wasn't the best idea maybe.
"I don't need a Wizard!" Your wife screams as two maidens try the hot compresses and painkiller tinctures. "I need some blackseed milk!" You decide to get to the kitchen yourself so the maids can care for Esta, but...
A) It's obvious she has been possessed by forces most evil! My beautiful, calm and quiet Esta couldn't be on her own such fiery tempered and angry creature! Truly, it's time to call up some Pantheonist exorcists.
B) It's obvious that it is just a hard pregnancy. No need to panic. NO NEED TO PANIC! Maybe I should get some blackseed milk for myself, too.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 19, 2017, 05:05:35 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 19, 2017, 05:06:27 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 19, 2017, 05:06:52 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 19, 2017, 05:07:15 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 19, 2017, 05:11:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 19, 2017, 05:12:16 pm
Blackseed milk sounds like an excellent thing to be getting the royal family hooked on.+1
I think maybe we're not allowed to get a wizard for the duration of this special event. When we vote for it, we're blocked in the next action. Probably they're all busy battling insane rainbow devas on the astral plane or something.
Post by: Iituem on November 19, 2017, 05:20:18 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 19, 2017, 05:30:18 pm
It's nice not to be the only country in the throes of misery for once
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 19, 2017, 05:56:40 pm
Let them have opium!
Post by: Puppyguard on November 19, 2017, 06:10:02 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2017, 06:29:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 20, 2017, 12:44:14 am
1115 AD, Winter
Delayed due to civil war and current issues, the Fireblood caravan nonetheless managed to arrive at your Palace, and so did silver from the mountains in northwest.
1115 AD, Midwinter
Your wife Esta gives birth to twin boys! All of the palace celebrate this rare event. The exhausted yet proud mother calls them 'Leath' and 'Tywynn',
Unfortunately it is time for the bad news. The supplies stockpiled earlier in the year will be inadequate; the influx of migrants have caused the storages to be emptied at much higher rate. Your peoples, and the migrants, might face starvation in the Spring if new supplies will not be procured.
A) Time to ask neighbouring nations to provide help!
B) Find those grain merchants again, I have more money to spend!
C) Alas, we will perservere through sheer willpower and strength of heart!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 20, 2017, 01:28:20 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 20, 2017, 01:28:47 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 20, 2017, 01:35:44 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 20, 2017, 02:09:56 am
Post by: ZBridges on November 20, 2017, 02:20:31 am
Post by: Iituem on November 20, 2017, 02:50:24 am
Post by: helmacon on November 20, 2017, 03:00:51 am
Worse shape really.
Also, twins for our firstborn is going to make the whole succession thing really awkward.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 20, 2017, 03:14:19 am
Post by: omada on November 20, 2017, 05:31:26 am
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 20, 2017, 07:10:58 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 20, 2017, 09:38:28 am
A because we're not a cold-hearted bastard.
Er, "bastard" in the pejorative sense, totally not a slip about Cyl's parentage or anything. Nope.
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The child inside Queen Esta is either very large or some evil tumor has formed in the womb!Please tell me the Royal Physician didn't go to the same college as the Spymaster.
...
You decide to search for a wizard, and the healer concurs; truly one is most needed now!
...
Your wife Esta gives birth to twin boys!
On the other hand, it would be a hilarious if the "correct" answer to all of these crises turns out to be, Keep Calm And Carry On.
Post by: birdy51 on November 20, 2017, 12:05:24 pm
Also, yay twins! Good thing that our dear wife is still very much alive. I say if she has another son though, that we should name him after our father-in-law. I'm sure the old man would be pleased about that.
Post by: Prophet on November 20, 2017, 01:19:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 20, 2017, 01:48:41 pm
Please tell me the Royal Physician didn't go to the same college as the Spymaster.
Eyyy boi, this going into my sig.
You decide to pester various food merchants for grain and other everyday supplies.
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After some time, your cash fills the pockets of traders while their grain and herbs fill your keeps and storages.
1115 AD, Late Winter
The Spymaster bumps into you at dark, cold night.
"Greetings, my liege. I bring an offer from some of your noblemen."
"Why do my nobles need my Spymaster to speak business with me?"
"It is their request which I felt proper to fulfill. They have friends in the lands conquered by Queen Dogethe and, to be honest, those friends of our noblemen aren't quite happy with Dogethe's iron-fisted rule. They dream of independence but that probably won't happen, so at least a change of ruler would do, and it happens that their holdings are right at the border, just north of Tven mountains. Your courtiers thus wonder if the Crown would sponsor some... trouble in the north."
A) Subterfuge, aw yiss. They have my monies and my support!
B) Nah, not interested, there's enough chaos in the region without rebellions.
C) Queen Dogethe is struggling and her noblemen wish to abandon her at first sight of trouble? I ought to inform her!
D) That sounds fine with me but I'm not going to anger the iron lady outright; I can give them support on a later date.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 20, 2017, 01:50:44 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 20, 2017, 01:53:24 pm
C Actually, voidslayer has a good point.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 20, 2017, 01:57:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 20, 2017, 02:04:09 pm
C, we must stand together against asshole nobles.C
Even if she hasn't been a pretty good ally for decades. Yeah.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 20, 2017, 02:11:20 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 20, 2017, 02:16:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 20, 2017, 02:33:43 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 20, 2017, 02:36:06 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 20, 2017, 02:39:12 pm
Good Queen Dogethe! Your friends in the capital have informed us that they wish you deposed! How would you like us to fix this problem?
Post by: Haspen on November 20, 2017, 03:01:41 pm
1115 AD, End of the Year
As the skies continue to be reddish and dark, the time goes by and the yearly rituals must be maintained. For example, the yearly ritual of the Advisor coming by to your chambers, with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 2
Army: 5
"I must inform you, my liege, that our Treasury has been drained by our continuous procurement of supplies so our peoples can survive the winter. And the censuses seem to indicate that most of refugees have decided to settle down in Methiant after all."
"Still we, ought to repair our Treasury a little bit. Shall we raise the taxes?"
A) "Absolutely yes!"
B) "Absolutely no."
Post by: Prophet on November 20, 2017, 03:04:20 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 20, 2017, 03:04:30 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 20, 2017, 03:05:02 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 20, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 20, 2017, 03:19:40 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 20, 2017, 03:24:52 pm
We will need cash to get through this. Better they hate us then they starve.
A
Post by: Puppyguard on November 20, 2017, 03:28:15 pm
Post by: melkor on November 20, 2017, 04:08:03 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 20, 2017, 04:12:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 20, 2017, 04:14:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 20, 2017, 04:46:12 pm
Eyyy boi, this going into my sig.An unexpected honor. :D
A
Missed the earlier vote, but if I may opine: frankly we don't need or want (or can afford) to sponsor a revolution. Queen Dogethe specifically stationed the Methiant forces as a home guard while she fights on the lines. So if anything happens to her out there in the middle of a surprise war overshadowed by volcanic eruption in a time of supernatural terror, why, we'll be the de facto power in Cydwyl without firing an arrow.
Post by: Detoxicated on November 20, 2017, 05:15:21 pm
though we should use gained money to improve the economy
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 20, 2017, 06:40:07 pm
Post by: omada on November 20, 2017, 09:50:50 pm
Look, with only 3 happiness, riots are very close to happen and we have 7 population again, and it will mean a hard time with riots
With luck Dogethe will reward us earlier if things get harsh
Or the dwarves if they fail to seal and we become their heroes ( If we win the fight against the demons I mean...)
Post by: helmacon on November 20, 2017, 10:47:06 pm
We have double taxes, plus silver. We will survive.
B
Post by: Culise on November 20, 2017, 11:45:47 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 01:27:47 am
Hmm. Whoops thought that you meant that it was already 3 but still going to keep the change to B we don't really have our army on hand to stomp out any rebellions right now so let's not risk that.
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 01:47:47 am
bbbbbbb
You decide to raise the tax.
1116 AD, Spring
The people rejoice! It seems that, according to the news from northern travelers, the remainder of Smoke Mountain finally stopped billowing out dust and smoke.
Some governors ponder if it is a good time to celebrate with some festivities to commemorate the passing of the Red Sky. Of course, they would like the Crown to sponsor them.
A) They should be glad that the catastrophe has passed.
B) Of course! Let's throw some parties, yaay!
Post by: ZBridges on November 21, 2017, 01:48:21 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 01:49:47 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 21, 2017, 01:56:54 am
Post by: helmacon on November 21, 2017, 02:08:41 am
Now that we don't need the extra taxes, we can preemptively give them back.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 21, 2017, 02:12:05 am
B
Now that we don't need the extra taxes, we can preemptively give them back.
We don't know how long it will take the skies to return to normal. I might be inclined to agree with your logic if I knew for sure this year's crop will not be affected, but I don't know that.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 21, 2017, 02:38:10 am
Post by: Imic on November 21, 2017, 04:19:05 am
We have no mooooneeeee you idiotsssss
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 21, 2017, 06:48:43 am
Also hope we get some kind of reputation for having our shit together in a time like this, I think we've acquitted ourselves pretty well.
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 08:03:38 am
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Fortunately, many cities organized festivals on their own (either from own savings or by asking wealthy citizens for donations), and thus there was no discontent in Methiant. Phew.
1116 AD, Mid-Spring
It is one of colder nights when you decide to take a walk to the higher floors of the palace, ultimately ending on one of the towers with splendid view on the Capital city to the side and the majestic lake to the other, that flanks the royal forest.
It is after a long moment of gazing that you see, out of all the birds, a raven fly to the balcony and silently perch on one of the cranellations. It opens its beak and you expect a caw, but...
"Cyl... Cyl of Methiant..." It whispers in most hissy voice possible.
A) It calls for me! I ought to introduce myself!
B) Let's Stand Still, Stay Silent.
C) Run the fuck away, tis another of magical murder beasts!!
Post by: birdy51 on November 21, 2017, 08:05:42 am
Because fuck yeah, that's a good webcomic.
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 08:07:52 am
Because fuck yeah, that's a good webcomic.
/me hi-fives!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 21, 2017, 08:14:57 am
References are a sufficient reason for votes.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2017, 08:19:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 09:01:55 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 21, 2017, 09:04:44 am
Post by: melkor on November 21, 2017, 09:25:38 am
A
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 11:13:30 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 21, 2017, 11:18:31 am
Idk if that's what we want tbh.
C
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 11:41:52 am
okay,
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 21, 2017, 12:36:23 pm
There's two kinds of kings - ones that blunder dick-first into supernatural phenomena and ones that live to see the age of 40.
Post by: Arlos on November 21, 2017, 01:10:36 pm
C
There's two kinds of kings - ones that blunder dick-first into supernatural phenomena and ones that live to see the age of 40.
Never seen the second kind.
B
Post by: Criptfeind on November 21, 2017, 01:14:59 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 21, 2017, 01:24:10 pm
Estwalf reigned for about 30 years, until the age of around 50. It took the end of the entire game to kill him off.Was he the Super-martial King that deserve to be legendary? Because this one lasted a while if I remember.
Post by: helmacon on November 21, 2017, 01:39:38 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 21, 2017, 01:42:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 01:45:14 pm
The raven caws at you and you could swear it did that with certain degree of irritation. It also feels a bit darker around it. And is the raven larger than a moment before??
A) Tell your name aloud.
B) Run away to safety.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 21, 2017, 01:46:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 21, 2017, 01:47:01 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 01:48:23 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 21, 2017, 01:50:55 pm
Super Martial king? Probably him or Houlandin III yeah. Sorta a toss up between those two for most successful king militarily I think. Estwalf probably won the most military campaigns. Houlandin III did a lot of really good expansions though, killed a terrifying magical horse with his bare hands and a knife, and gained the master tactician title which if I recall sometimes gave him further bonuses to directing combat, which means mechanically he was the best general we've ever had. Reigned for about 20 years, until the age of 36 I think. Also if I recall Houlandin III was a half elf?
I was talking about the one that fought the Lizardmen a number of time.
A
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 01:53:52 pm
Nulifying my vote because I am uncertain
Post by: crazyabe on November 21, 2017, 01:55:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 01:56:14 pm
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 02:02:40 pm
And i am just thinking about something
Is our wife having twins a signal that Cyl is in fact son of Yoe? prosperity and stuff from enchantress?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 21, 2017, 02:04:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 02:20:36 pm
The raven opens its beak again.
"Cyl of Methiant, look to the east, and may your metal fist reign supreme. Look to the west, and you shall remain blind till your violent death. So speaketh the spirit of the woods, feeling remorse for causing your land grief and suffering." With a rather scary caw, the raven flies into the night - and disappears from your sight altogether.
When you wake up next morning after sleeping on this, the talking raven feels more like a thing from dreams. Maybe it was just a dream after all?
1116 AD, Late Spring
News come from Zasitost; the dwarves have defeated whatever monstrosity they were fighting against, but the fortified city is mostly empty and ruined buildings aren't repaired. Some brave (or stupid) adventurers and even some wandering subjects of yours have taken upon this opportunity to loot some of dwarven crafts.
It is then not a surprise that a letter from Zasitost arrives, its dwarven overlords demanding that you reign your subjects in, or the dwarves will ask for compensation.
A) Dwarves are our friends, so we will compensate them and scold our subjects, yes.
B) Looting? Somebody said looting? Count me in!
C) Fine, we will warn our subjects to leave dwarves alone, but dwarves better not count for anything else.
D) Pffft, I have better things to do than dealing with some pompous dwarves!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 02:24:01 pm
You know what? C is just fine.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 21, 2017, 02:24:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 21, 2017, 02:43:04 pm
Post by: Culise on November 21, 2017, 02:46:06 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not voting yet, but even if we consider this dream prophetic rather than coincidence, I'd consider the mystery of who sent this dream one worth asking. Just what were the dwarves fighting?
Post by: Weirdsound on November 21, 2017, 03:30:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 21, 2017, 03:33:02 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 21, 2017, 03:33:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 03:40:42 pm
East more or less: Zasitost may be to the east but the dwarves have been on decent, if standoffish, terms this whole time.
C what we can do to stop the looting. They haven't asked for a payment yet and we have rebuilding to do.
I never understood why folks kept yelling about the Cydwyl threat when it's Ceodwell who tried to steal our wealth, insulted our family, and broke a vow of betrothal. Cydwyl, Ceowdwell: isn't the difference obvious? We would have been preparing to invade anyway of all this other crud didn't keep popping up.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 21, 2017, 03:44:49 pm
I never understood why folks kept yelling about the Cydwyl threat when its Ceodwell who tried to steal our wealth, insulted our family, and broke a vow of betrothal. Cydwyl, Ceowdwell: isn't the difference obvious? We would have been preparing to invade anyway of all this other crud didn't keep popping up.
We fought openly against Cydwyl in the old Yoe I days, if I recall correctly.
Post by: Baffler on November 21, 2017, 03:47:47 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 21, 2017, 03:49:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 03:51:45 pm
We fought openly against Cydwyl in the old Yoe I days, if I recall correctly.And Dogethe herself (still Princess at the time) negotiated the peace (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7488036#msg7488036) and has stuck steadfastly to it for the past thirty years while openly praising Methiant (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7548614#msg7548614) and repeatedly counting on us for aid. Her death might make us start worrying, but not her.
Post by: Baffler on November 21, 2017, 03:58:22 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 04:05:34 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 21, 2017, 04:08:28 pm
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 04:17:22 pm
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dwarven overlords demanding that you reign your subjects in, or the dwarves will ask for compensation
Or, they do what is asked, we do what is asked, no money to thrown on their faces right now although i like the idea of getting friendlier.
C
To the east there is more than Zasistot and Ceodwell. Kashites, Gutba, Agaresians and even the Shanshans are there and can plan to do something nasty or nice
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 04:20:47 pm
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 04:23:02 pm
We asked Ceodwell for compensation for denying us the marriage a long time ago
They haven't payed nor replied
Our half-sisters are still alone because of this
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 04:25:04 pm
To the east there is more than Zasistot and Ceodwell. Kashites, Gutba, Agaresians and even the Shanshans are there and can plan to do something nasty or nice
And to get there we can go through Zasitost (dwarvenly fortified, civilians evacuated, mountainous) or Ceodwell (insulting, unfriendly, and a route straight to Gubta to resume our spice trade using the new silver mine).
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 04:34:16 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 04:38:38 pm
Ceodwell (insulting, unfriendly, and a route straight to Gubta to resume our spice trade using the new silver mine).
Death to Ceodwell, our soon to be newest territory! Hey, we have that standing army for a reason, just as soon as it returns from helping our ally...
Post by: helmacon on November 21, 2017, 04:39:10 pm
Look east huh? Now does that mean something is coming from the east or does it mean would should expand east or something else?
offense is the best defence
C
not with the dwarves though.
Post by: melkor on November 21, 2017, 04:42:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2017, 04:59:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 21, 2017, 04:59:58 pm
1116 AD, Summer
You Army sent north comes back with money! They also bring a letter from the grateful Queen Dogethe, who, while not needing your soldiers' at the front, felt much more stronger having someone to protect the heart of her nation. She reached an agreement with the Agaresians, which secured the Cydwyllian colonies in the east and got the Agaresians to look south rather than west.
Few days later you receive an envoy from Lametania.
"Greetings, good king Cyl. My master, King Umar, has sent me here with an inquiry - are you interested in again providing us with protection of your Armies? Our skilled miners have recently found wealthy copper deposits, which we can send to you, if you will not accept hard cash of course."
A) "Sorry, not interested this time."
B) "Trifle copper? You must be joking. I want more than that!"
C) "Sure, money for protection, that works."
D) "Sure, copper and its crafts in exchange for my soldiers."
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2017, 05:02:10 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 05:03:05 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 05:04:02 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 21, 2017, 05:04:25 pm
Post by: omada on November 21, 2017, 05:06:58 pm
D and so we begin the second round of cultural invasion
"Agarasian looks south"
Poor shanshans, they're screwed
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 05:18:36 pm
Next time Lametania asks for protection we move to regularize the situation by offering a treaty to combine the two kingdoms along the following lines:
* Lametania keeps its own internal laws and king, under the Methiant Emperor so long as the agreement is kept.
* The Lametania army is folded into the new Methiant imperial army, and is trained and manned to the same standards in the same schools.
* Army divisions are all of mixed nationality, with a focus on equal opportunity for officers of both nations. (This is a sneaky way to boost integration)
* Methiant vows to protect Lametania from all foes, provide aid in disasters, and generally make sure they prosper in safety.
* Lametania provides a portion of their tax income to the Methiant Emperor.
Sign or else.
Edit: Sign or not, we then move in and spend money left and right on public improvements, more and stronger patrols, and all kinds of other PR BS. Basically, "sign now, or we just take it" followed by a massive PR push to keep the people happy.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 21, 2017, 05:23:38 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 05:26:11 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 21, 2017, 05:28:43 pm
Edit: Note that I am not pushing this treaty this time, but next time.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 21, 2017, 05:30:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2017, 05:35:13 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 21, 2017, 05:47:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 21, 2017, 05:51:27 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 21, 2017, 05:57:39 pm
So people are talking about annexing/vassalizing or whatever Lamentia, and I feel like I've missed something in regards to them that is making us think that's something that could happen :P
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 21, 2017, 05:58:45 pm
So people are talking about annexing/vassalizing or whatever Lamentia, and I feel like I've missed something in regards to them that is making us think that's something that could happen :Puh, the part where they're begging us to put our armies in their territory?
That's how it starts.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 06:04:29 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 21, 2017, 06:09:16 pm
D Copper has many uses. One day we could build a grand network of communications powered by lightning. It would be almost twice as fast as horse messengers!Now I know we're advanced but that's stretching into the impossible.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 21, 2017, 06:15:03 pm
Well in an Arms Race game the design roll will reduce it to 20% improvement over horses. :PD Copper has many uses. One day we could build a grand network of communications powered by lightning. It would be almost twice as fast as horse messengers!Now I know we're advanced but that's stretching into the impossible.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 21, 2017, 07:27:53 pm
Post by: Tiruin on November 21, 2017, 09:21:43 pm
D.Money is something replenishable because currency and stuff.
So people are talking about annexing/vassalizing or whatever Lamentia, and I feel like I've missed something in regards to them that is making us think that's something that could happen :P
Copper is a resource that can dry out
D because we want your stuff, thank you!
Post by: Haspen on November 22, 2017, 12:48:43 am
1116 AD, Midsummer
Interesting report arrives from the Tven mountains; when the miners of your new silver mines were digging up exploratory shafts outside the mines, one of the groups struck into apparent entrance to a tomb! The tomb is walled with rather, flat stone slabs rather than bricks or square stonework. The local scholar cannot identify the inscriptions on the frontal slab but it seems to a very old variation of the local language.
The overseer asks what to do with the tomb.
A) Bury it back and make sure no one mines near it, lest we wake up some devilish menace.
B) Have the tomb purified by the priests, then study it.
C) Just crack open the tomb and have the things innit brought to the Capital!
Post by: helmacon on November 22, 2017, 12:50:24 am
whee!
Post by: ZBridges on November 22, 2017, 01:03:44 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2017, 01:09:45 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 22, 2017, 01:11:51 am
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2017, 01:32:23 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 22, 2017, 01:34:58 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2017, 03:12:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 22, 2017, 05:44:32 am
Send in the priests first to trigger all the traps, it's a perfect plan.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 22, 2017, 06:47:22 am
Incidentally, is our mine in the east or west?
Post by: crazyabe on November 22, 2017, 08:08:11 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 22, 2017, 09:02:48 am
(The mine is in the northwest of our lands: the chunk we annexed out of former Donuth.)
Post by: Criptfeind on November 22, 2017, 09:15:49 am
This sorta shit has always gone really poorly for us.
Post by: omada on November 22, 2017, 11:14:11 am
B
Post by: Haspen on November 22, 2017, 11:28:38 am
You order the Pantheonist priests to purge the tomb just in case and have scholars study it more closely.
1116 AD, Autumn
Your dear wife gives birth to a boy! She names him 'Culainn'.
Few days later, you receive an visit from an envoy of Queen Dogethe.
"Greetings, King Cyl! Our Queen once again trusts the people of Methiant to provide for her people. The recent catastrophe has subsided and the Agaresians have been beaten, but the people of Cydwyl suffer famine and hunger. This time Queen Dogethe hopes that you can spare money and supplies without a promise for reward, for Queen Dogethe in her pursuit of keeping the life of her subjects decent has unfortunately run short on money." Courtiers murmur, the envoy awaits, and you decide to...
A) Demand that you be paid for services, as before, by Queen Dogethe.
B) Decide to show-off your generosity and provide supplies for Kingdom of Cydwyl.
C) Refuse because neither you nor your Kingdom are a charity organization.
Post by: crazyabe on November 22, 2017, 11:32:53 am
Domination Viva culture
Post by: Weirdsound on November 22, 2017, 11:33:33 am
Nothing better than having the badass war queen owe you a favor.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2017, 11:34:41 am
A
Post by: Draignean on November 22, 2017, 11:37:04 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 22, 2017, 11:43:55 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 22, 2017, 11:47:07 am
She already owes us for our army.
A
I believe she paid in full for that.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 22, 2017, 12:13:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2017, 12:30:32 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 22, 2017, 12:53:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 22, 2017, 01:27:55 pm
Alliances are good.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2017, 01:31:38 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 22, 2017, 01:33:04 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 22, 2017, 01:37:12 pm
Yeah, that would be the best way to get a treaty written and signed. Marry our heirs (and get around the "what do we call it" problem by naming the result "The Empire of Luathbas").
Fuck that, it's gotta be the Cydwyl-Methiant Commonwealth. Or the Methiant-Cydwyl Commonwealth if we get especially lucky.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 22, 2017, 01:40:17 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2017, 01:41:11 pm
Yeah, that would be the best way to get a treaty written and signed. Marry our heirs (and get around the "what do we call it" problem by naming the result "The Empire of Luathbas").
Fuck that, it's gotta be the Cydwyl-Methiant Commonwealth. Or the Methiant-Cydwyl Commonwealth if we get especially lucky.
Yeah, the Luathbas Empire is once we incorporate a few other states...
Also, the ravine told us to look east and not west, but instead, f- fate we are looking north!
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2017, 01:45:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 22, 2017, 03:24:41 pm
I disagree. Luathbas is a much better and prestigious name than either Cylwyl, Methiant, or either combine. Anyway yeah we still need to worry about getting Ceodwell into the Kingdom before we start worrying about Lametania or Cylwyl.
Luathbas is also a city that burnt right to the ground a few years back. I wonder how it is doing now? Would be kinda silly to make a burnt out husk of a town the seat of a mighty empire.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 22, 2017, 03:27:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2017, 03:40:44 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2017, 03:45:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 22, 2017, 04:57:53 pm
1116 AD, Winter
Fireblood ingredients and the silver come to your palace, the former in exchange for gemstones of course.
The very next day, you learn that there is a revolt in the southwest! Some peasants, unhappy with taxation, has gathered under a banner of a traitor named Teón, a (ex-)governor of one of the cities. The peasant horde is apparently 2.000 strong and is besieging the city that Teón once governed, Aeltiach.
A) Send a letter to the rebel horde, asking them to disarm.
B) Order the Spymaster to have their leadership eliminated, so the rebels implode on themselves.
C) About time our Army gets some target practice within Methiant - send them in!
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2017, 04:59:02 pm
Army was high last I checked, lets bombard them.
C
Post by: Iituem on November 22, 2017, 05:00:11 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 22, 2017, 05:02:27 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 22, 2017, 05:04:17 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 22, 2017, 05:07:05 pm
Post by: omada on November 22, 2017, 05:07:27 pm
B) Maybe luck bonus
C) maybe luck bonus, army bonus? I don't think we are gonna use the cannons on them, but our army is well trained at least.
I would vote B if we knew it before they raise arms
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2017, 05:19:28 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 22, 2017, 05:20:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 22, 2017, 05:40:07 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 22, 2017, 06:04:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2017, 06:52:09 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 22, 2017, 07:24:10 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 22, 2017, 07:31:43 pm
We can convert to C if it fails.
Post by: Tiruin on November 22, 2017, 08:57:49 pm
B. Let's give the spymaster a chance
Our Spymaster can...do stuff, like learn why this happened.
Wait :<
B
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 12:45:56 am
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And within two weeks, the agents do just that; one of the leaders who was the 'glue' of the others was slain, causing several to get into debacles about the course of action, but apparently another prominent figure rose amongst them that seems to be slowly getting things back into normalcy.
A) Send them a letter, they will listen now.
B) Send the Army in, they're weak now.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 23, 2017, 12:48:08 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 12:53:33 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 23, 2017, 12:58:52 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 01:02:12 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 23, 2017, 01:11:49 am
Bye bye.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 03:40:55 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 09:29:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2017, 09:35:04 am
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 11:34:19 am
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 11:57:46 am
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 12:17:23 pm
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6*
Two weeks later you receive news of a flawless victory. Few of the two thousand fled to see the next morning.
1116 AD, Midwinter
You receive a report from the south; your soldiers helped quell a noble uprising against King Umar and his court.
1116 AD, End of the Year
Like every year, the Advisor arrives at your room. The Scrolls of Kingdom Status are of course in his hands.
Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: 6
You know what the Advisor will talk about even before he coughs.
"My liege, the peasants are unhappy. Shall we sponsor some festivities for next year?"
A) "Sure, let's party a bit."
B) "No, we're still short on monies."
Post by: Puppyguard on November 23, 2017, 12:18:32 pm
*cough* more rebels otherwise *cough*
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 12:20:15 pm
I am worried about our expedition, first they had to deal with orcs, now they went prepared against them, and the sky turned red...
Post by: helmacon on November 23, 2017, 12:26:34 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 12:28:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 12:38:41 pm
1117 AD, Spring
Three groups of people want to meet with you. The first is a group of rather annoyed dwarves, the other is a group of very sad merchants, and the third is the Spymaster with few of his agents.
A) Spymaster!
B) Dwarves!
C) Merchants!
Post by: Puppyguard on November 23, 2017, 12:39:56 pm
Bad news does not improve with age.
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 12:42:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 12:45:54 pm
A) Spymaster will have an offer we can deal with at leisure
B) Dwarves will complain more about looting
C) These are the returning mountain expedition, and sad faces are not good news.
B Find out what the dwarves will cost us before we spend on anything else.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 12:51:21 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2017, 01:00:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 01:22:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 01:29:23 pm
"King Cyl!" The leader of the group shouts almost from the very door of the throne room. "Despite your promises that your peoples wouldn't loot, we have catalogued sixteen crimes of looting by Methiant subjects! This is an outrage! Or do you not control your subjects at all??" The angry, bald dwarf presents you a ledger. The pages are full of dwarven script on the left-hand pages, and human script, what you assume a translation, on the right-hand pages. It details various individuals being seized and in possession of 'missing' dwarven crafts from Zasitost. The dates in the ledger go as far as Summer 1116.
"Compensate us for thievery of your men!" The dwarves cry in unison.
A) Toss money at them so they shut up.
B) Tell them to shut up or else.
C) Attempt a diplomatic solution.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 23, 2017, 01:33:22 pm
A. And apologize profusely, saying that we will have guards look into it.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 01:36:41 pm
They already arrested or "seized" them right? If our peasants are going and getting arrested in dwarven lands for doing dwarven crimes, I don't see how that's any issue for us. Let them face dwarven "justice".
Edit: Also I'd like to point that that consistantly, when dwarves come to our lands in these games, they are little shits. Constantly. And not once have we gone to their lands and asked for them to try to control the dwarves that are in our lands. We deal with them when they are on our lands in our ways. And the dwarves should do the same to our subjects.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 23, 2017, 01:38:24 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 23, 2017, 01:41:56 pm
LETS GO LUCK
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 01:43:05 pm
silver and cooper still coming for a total of 5
A) Lose 1 wealth and have two for the moment (I am pretty sure the other two will ask for money though)
B) Problems in a near future with dwarves or a curse
C) No charisma bonus, maybe luck bonus, the results can vary from okay things to bad things
Post by: helmacon on November 23, 2017, 01:50:53 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 02:10:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 02:54:44 pm
...Although honestly I'm hoping it goes badly so we get the option to declare war on the weakened dwarves and look to the East as the prophecy tells us to.
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 02:56:14 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 03:17:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 03:26:48 pm
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This only incenses them more. They mumble angrily in their language amongst themselves for a while.
"It seems people of Methiant do not wish to be friends with dwarves anymore. So be it!" They storm away angrily.
The guards look after the dwarves and then ask whom you want to see next.
A) The merchants!
B) The Spymaster!
Post by: ZBridges on November 23, 2017, 03:27:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 03:30:31 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 23, 2017, 03:31:42 pm
indistinct grumbling about ruining relationship with the dwarves
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 03:35:43 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2017, 03:37:15 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 03:38:27 pm
"My liege, I have fortunate news. My agents, after browsing through some libraries within Ceodwell and Methiant, have found some legitimate documents and maps which seem to indicate that the border of Methiant and Ceodwell is currently at least fifty miles too far to the west." Your courtiers murmur. You decide to write up a letter to Calahan III, in which you...
A) Demand return of the rightful Methiant territory.
B) Monetary compensation for the territory.
C) Inform him that you formally 'cede' the land to him.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 03:39:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 03:39:59 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on November 23, 2017, 03:40:45 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 23, 2017, 03:45:00 pm
Yeah it sure sucks not being charismatic.Seriously, let that go, it's been a bit funny but it'll get irritating if you keep on it for this guy's entire rule :P
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 03:49:09 pm
A Demand the whole country.
Yes, Our greedy eyes will turn into the east, now I understand why so much war over spices
A
Post by: Arlos on November 23, 2017, 03:51:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 03:55:11 pm
What was that prophecy again?East good west bad.
Yeah it sure sucks not being charismatic.Seriously, let that go, it's been a bit funny but it'll get irritating if you keep on it for this guy's entire rule :P
Hopefully it'll be a short enough rule then, so it doesn't get too annoying!
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 03:57:36 pm
Yeah it sure sucks not being charismatic.Seriously, let that go, it's been a bit funny but it'll get irritating if you keep on it for this guy's entire rule :P
Hopefully it'll be a short enough rule then, so it doesn't get too annoying!
My crystal ball is saying that this will be the longest lived ruler, Lucky guy don't you think?
Post by: helmacon on November 23, 2017, 03:59:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 04:06:52 pm
Yeah it sure sucks not being charismatic.Seriously, let that go, it's been a bit funny but it'll get irritating if you keep on it for this guy's entire rule :P
Hopefully it'll be a short enough rule then, so it doesn't get too annoying!
My crystal ball is saying that this will be the longest lived ruler, Lucky guy don't you think?
If the Sorceresses health boon applies, and we stay out of serious clusterfucks, this could be the case.
"It seems people of Methiant do not wish to be friends with dwarves anymore. So be it!" They storm away angrily.
Lol. The dworfs think they are capable of friendship! Adorable.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 04:18:13 pm
That could have gone better, but we more or less planned to ignore the dwarves anyway. Maybe we can do business with Ankurvat from now on. But we may want to set extra guards on the treasury since dwarves recently upped their game at raiding. :P
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 04:27:07 pm
AYeah it sure sucks not being charismatic.Seriously, let that go, it's been a bit funny but it'll get irritating if you keep on it for this guy's entire rule :P
Hopefully it'll be a short enough rule then, so it doesn't get too annoying!
My crystal ball is saying that this will be the longest lived ruler, Lucky guy don't you think?
If the Sorceresses health boon applies, and we stay out of serious clusterfucks, this could be the case.
hmmm, we had twins.. If it's not the boon working I don't know what it is, I am curious what the "prosperity for the nation" magic would do, but if we ever wants to make another pact with her we should choose this
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 04:27:43 pm
Finally, you grant an audience to the merchants.
"King Cyl!" They begin with saddest voices ever. "The expedition that went through the mountains, got to Gubta but was robbed and then held prisoner for few years before they were allowed return! The Gubta treat our men terribly and rob us!" You decide to...
A) Remove their sads with enough moneys.
B) Send an angry letter to the Gubta.
C) Shrug and tell them to go, you wasted enough on this.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 04:28:47 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 04:29:40 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 23, 2017, 04:30:00 pm
Might as well see if we can get Gupta to agree to a trade deal as compensation, since they actually found a secure passage through the mountains.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 04:30:35 pm
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 04:31:53 pm
I think Ceodwell is the one behind this
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 04:32:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2017, 04:34:25 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 23, 2017, 04:38:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 04:38:19 pm
I wonder if Gubta mistook our people for Damdamians: two empires large enough to stretch beyond our map, common border. It would be nice to have them more involved with each other and not with us.
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 04:52:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 04:52:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 23, 2017, 04:56:08 pm
1117 AD, Mid-Spring
The Rainbow Scepter explodes! The guards were doing their job one morning when suddenly they heard hissing, saw purple light, and then a loud rumble akin to thunder. After opening the vault they saw that the scepter was naught but a molten pool of metals and shattered gemstones.
Your courtiers angrily discuss this despicable act amongst themselves. They believe that dwarves should pay for this - after all your grandfather paid a mountain of wealth for it! You decide to...
A) Forgive the dwarves, you could've seen this coming.
B) Ask the dwarves to send some money as compensation for the destruction of priceless artifact.
C) Ask the dwarves to refund the artifact's purchase in full.
D) Act on this as a pretext to fight the dwarves.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 05:04:18 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 23, 2017, 05:05:41 pm
A. For now at least. We may be heading to a war with other neighbors - we can't afford nor fight a two-front war.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 23, 2017, 05:10:12 pm
Either shoddy dwarven craftmanship, or dwarven sabotage.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 23, 2017, 05:10:56 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 23, 2017, 05:26:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 23, 2017, 05:34:21 pm
How do we even know it was the dwarves?
A. For now at least. We may be heading to a war with other neighbors - we can't afford nor fight a two-front war.
I'd rather fight the dwarves first. Unless Gubta reads our letter and declares war straight away, we can pass on fighting them D.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 23, 2017, 05:37:32 pm
I'd rather fight the dwarves first. Unless Gubta reads our letter and declares war straight away, we can pass on fighting them
Not war with Gubta, with Ceodwell.
Edit: At this rate we should line the eastern boarder with troops and just start marching!
Post by: omada on November 23, 2017, 05:51:22 pm
Now we are gonna see that shitty rain episodes again ruining our lands and making us spent resources
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2017, 06:02:20 pm
Post by: Iituem on November 23, 2017, 06:23:23 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 23, 2017, 06:24:08 pm
Also send a letter north to Cydwyl. We're looking at two battlefields now: Ceodwell and Zasitost, and it seems like the right time to ask the Warrior Queen if she can repay some of the favors we've done over the years.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 23, 2017, 06:39:35 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 23, 2017, 07:22:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 23, 2017, 09:35:38 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2017, 09:54:08 pm
We will wish to let them know of our displeasure, before an outright attack.
Post by: Haspen on November 24, 2017, 12:46:25 am
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You decide to send a letter to the dwarves too.
Few days later you receive a letter from Calahan III; he writes in it that he wants a copy of the documents to see if they're legitimate and he might be willing to negotiate your purchase of the lands.
A) Eh, let's drop the issue.
B) It was a demand, not an offer! TO ARMS!
C) Fine, I will send him a copy.
Post by: ZBridges on November 24, 2017, 01:08:04 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 24, 2017, 01:08:16 am
Post by: Prophet on November 24, 2017, 01:09:51 am
Post by: Puppyguard on November 24, 2017, 01:26:17 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 24, 2017, 01:27:02 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 24, 2017, 01:32:10 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 24, 2017, 01:55:54 am
I'm sure it'll all check out and there'll be no doubt or contention whatsoever.
Post by: helmacon on November 24, 2017, 02:38:14 am
Post by: Iituem on November 24, 2017, 05:30:32 am
Quick question for those who can remember, who was the prick king who killed his dad, stole our silver merchant wagons and broke off treaties with us?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 24, 2017, 06:01:19 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 24, 2017, 06:25:27 am
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 24, 2017, 07:25:26 am
Post by: melkor on November 24, 2017, 07:29:50 am
Post by: Twinwolf on November 24, 2017, 07:58:55 am
Can't convince myself to vote for war, but we don't have the money for buying the lands, so abstain.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 24, 2017, 08:14:19 am
Prophesy yo.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 24, 2017, 08:36:29 am
C. Territory is nice. But what was one of our lowest stats last time I checked? Money. What have we been doing with our troops? Loaning them out. We are not ready for war.
B Territory is nice. With prophecy seemingly on our side, we're not waiting for our rightful lands because he "might negotiate." If the roll goes "well" he might actually agree to a deal, and then we'd have a bit more money and no (immediate) casus belli against this oathbreaking jerk.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 24, 2017, 08:49:02 am
Post by: Twinwolf on November 24, 2017, 08:58:33 am
Hell, other way around, he's willing to sell our lands to us! We'd end up with less money just for having our own traditional lands!Oh, I misread it as he's trying to buy our lands - my bad.
I am still, however, unsure if we are ready for war - didn't we just recently loan out soldiers? We don't have our full military might to bring to bear.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 24, 2017, 09:03:17 am
Post by: Twinwolf on November 24, 2017, 09:09:59 am
Post by: omada on November 24, 2017, 10:44:53 am
"Hey, he is willing to sell your lands for - wait, why are you drawing the swords?"
Plus, I wanna a bit of time to react to dwarven negotiation
Post by: Imic on November 24, 2017, 12:29:27 pm
Every time the courtiers start to murmer, we usually end up having discussions about what's best. Maybe the courtiers are a representation of we the players within the Spamkingdom world.
C
Post by: Detoxicated on November 24, 2017, 03:41:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 25, 2017, 09:36:32 am
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You declare a war to reclaim the rightful Methiant territories!
The Marshal salutes.
"Shall you lead us to glory and victory yourself, your Majesty??"
A) "Naw, I've got you professionals to bring us victory!"
B) "BUT OF COURSE!!"
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 10:18:43 am
We need to stay behind and put out the fires in Gutba and with the dwarves and maybe get the queen onside.
Post by: birdy51 on November 25, 2017, 10:26:33 am
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 12:27:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 25, 2017, 12:28:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 25, 2017, 12:58:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 25, 2017, 01:28:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 25, 2017, 02:20:27 pm
1117 AD, Late Spring
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Your Army has given the Ceodwells a smashing! The border fortresses were quickly overran and the main body of the Ceodwellian forces has been routed at the Battle of Augas.
The same day, you receive a short letter from the Dwarves, in which they claim responsibility for destruction of Rainbow Scepter, as the Kings of Dwarves deemed your dynasty unworthy of possessing it anymore.
A) This is an act of war!!
B) I still want my money!
C) Meh, fine.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 02:26:29 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 25, 2017, 02:27:20 pm
A
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 02:32:07 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 25, 2017, 03:05:31 pm
As for the current war: The plan is to take the whole country, right? Because I'm pretty sure we want the whole country.
Post by: helmacon on November 25, 2017, 03:09:50 pm
Our ascendancy is upon us.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 25, 2017, 03:18:07 pm
Lets Leroy Jenkins the entire east! Consequences be damned!
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 03:23:57 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 25, 2017, 03:24:40 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 03:48:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 25, 2017, 04:24:19 pm
They've already had time to recover from their whole thing at least somewhat, and I don't think splitting our forces is a wonderful idea.Year, year and a half tops? The dwarves have never been weaker. Don't split: issue orders to the army in Ceodwell to veer north with as many soldiers as possible. Leave the new border as lightly defended as we can, even if Ceodwell regroups from this battle we can easily smash them again.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 25, 2017, 04:30:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 04:31:01 pm
The Gods look upon us and our Ancestors call! The east is within our grasp and honor demands blood! The wheels of Destiny call out to our Dynasty! They call out the future! The future of our enthronement as the reclaimers of Luathbas.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 25, 2017, 04:58:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 25, 2017, 05:02:51 pm
1117 AD, Summer
Your dear wife Esta gives birth to another boy! She names him 'Ustwelf' after one of her many grand-uncles.
The report from Zasitost is a terrible one! While your Fireblood machines do well against fire-breathing steel-plated fortifications of the dwarven designs, the fortificatins themselves burn, maim and eviscerate many of your soldiers.
Emergency report comes from Ceodwell! The forward scouts have sighted a massive Gubta army traversing through Ceodwell land, as if it was theirs, right toward Methiantese encampments! The estimates place the number of Gubta at at least 12.000; most of them bowmen and assorted sorts of melee infantry, with at least a thousand of horse cavalry for support and twenty mighty Oliphaunts, greyish beasts of terror and awe.
The commanders in Ceodwell ask for reinforcements if they are to continue the campaign! Your courtiers and officers at the Palace shout and argue amongst themselves, and two proposals are made; to include Cydwyls into the fighting and to call up emergency mobilization for a year.
As for involving Queen Dogethe and the mighty northerner armies...
A) Time to cash in all those favors of prior years.
B) Nah, let's not involve them just yet.
As for calling emergency mobilization in Methiant...
A) Yup, we definitely need numbers right now.
B) No, the situation isn't this dire yet.
Post by: ZBridges on November 25, 2017, 05:05:03 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 05:05:06 pm
A and A.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 25, 2017, 05:06:48 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 25, 2017, 05:06:59 pm
A, A.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 25, 2017, 05:08:16 pm
And so, the methiant kingdom was wiped out by a combined force of Gubta, Ceodwell and Dwarves.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 05:08:48 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 05:09:16 pm
AA I wish we there had been a "delay dwarven war" option that didn't make us seem like a wuss. Oh well.
I don't think the wording of the "don't go to war" thing is important, really. Just say no and find some pretext later.
Post by: Haspen on November 25, 2017, 05:14:47 pm
Within a week, new regiments are sent east...
...and that's when you get the news.
The dwarven lords of Zonalath in the north-west has declared support for their brethren! The leaders of settlements in the mountainous region report dwarven war parties and strange siege machines rolling through the Rainbow Lizard mountains right into the strip of Methiantese land bordering the peaks.
Your courtiers are starting to panic. You decide to...
A) Send a new letter to Queen Dogethe, asking her to take care of Zonalath instead.
B) Send a negotiator to Zasitost, in hopes of securing a peace.
C) Stretch your forces a bit more so you can deal with Zonalath dwarves as well.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 05:16:45 pm
A I guess.
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 05:20:19 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 25, 2017, 05:20:54 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 25, 2017, 05:22:29 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 25, 2017, 05:23:20 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 05:23:46 pm
*ahem*
B I swear our ruler trait is a lie! None of our lucky rulers have actually had a streak of lucky events. In fact it seems to usually be the opposite. Even when we do have good things happen something else comes in to ruin it right after.This is entirely our own fault you realize, not luck :P
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Alrighty then. We're mildly screwed.
The dwarves are stubborn. I don't think they'll take peace anytime soon, and we've turned mild dislike to anger. That said, I don't think we can handle this many fronts. B. Gotta try.
A, B would be ok, but the only acceptable restitution would be a new sceptre.No, the acceptable resolution is "not getting smashed on several fronts at once"
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 25, 2017, 05:24:40 pm
Don't be a wuss, we'll be fine, we're listening to birds.I TOLD YOU SO
*ahem*
Things always look bad right after you listen to birds but then they work out.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 05:27:06 pm
BTW: If this does go wrong you'll have to get in line for the I told you so, Luath could have kept the dwarves friends with his charismatic trait.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 25, 2017, 05:28:48 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2017, 05:32:25 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 05:38:13 pm
I agree. I voted B because I misread what dwarf was what. This is fine. Maybe after the queen takes out the northern dwarves she can come help us in the south.
BTW: If this does go wrong you'll have to get in line for the I told you so, Luath could have kept the dwarves friends with his charismatic trait.
I think they're rather different complaints. You're complaining about a chance that things might have worked out better (there is no guarantee anything would have worked out differently with Luath - it's random rolls), I'm complaining about something directly caused by player decisions :P
Post by: Weirdsound on November 25, 2017, 05:40:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 25, 2017, 05:40:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 25, 2017, 06:02:09 pm
(there is no guarantee anything would have worked out differently with Luath - it's random rolls)
You try to solve this diplomatically.Quote3
This only incenses them more. They mumble angrily in their language amongst themselves for a while.
It might be random rolls, but we can know what the random roll would have been. And 5>3.
Post by: helmacon on November 25, 2017, 06:52:05 pm
We do not involve ourselves in the west. Let our allies do so for us.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 25, 2017, 07:03:00 pm
And you're telling me that you know for a fact we would have rolled the exact same thing? That seems a tad unbelievable, my apologies :P(there is no guarantee anything would have worked out differently with Luath - it's random rolls)You try to solve this diplomatically.It might be random rolls, but we can know what the random roll would have been. And 5>3.Quote3
This only incenses them more. They mumble angrily in their language amongst themselves for a while.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 25, 2017, 07:10:06 pm
A She doesn't need to invade like we're doing, just keep them off our backs.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 25, 2017, 07:38:19 pm
And you're telling me that you know for a fact we would have rolled the exact same thing? That seems a tad unbelievable, my apologies :PThat is how randomness works, yes. The die roll, being independent of our choice of protagonist, should be taken as a given in a counterfactual about the circumstances.
Post by: Culise on November 25, 2017, 10:04:35 pm
Don't be a wuss, we'll be fine, we're listening to birds.I TOLD YOU SO
*ahem*
Things always look bad right after you listen to birds but then they work out.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Really, though, we shouldn't be surprised. We managed to irritate pretty much all of our eastern neighbors in short order by declaring war on everyone; that other nations would rally to their defense rather than waiting politely to die in turn really isn't that surprising.
A
Post by: Weirdsound on November 25, 2017, 11:11:00 pm
Don't be a wuss, we'll be fine, we're listening to birds.I TOLD YOU SO
*ahem*
Things always look bad right after you listen to birds but then they work out.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Really, though, we shouldn't be surprised. We managed to irritate pretty much all of our eastern neighbors in short order by declaring war on everyone; that other nations would rally to their defense rather than waiting politely to die in turn really isn't that surprising.
A
Doggethe always seemed to be able to get away with invading one neighbor at a time.
Post by: Culise on November 25, 2017, 11:12:06 pm
Doggethe always seemed to be able to get away with invading one neighbor at a time.That's probably because Dogethe only invades one neighbor at a time. We invaded two and sent threatening letters to a third at the same time. :P
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 01:23:13 am
The dwarves there broke our property, extorting us for cash when they couldn't defend themselves. They sullied the good name of all dwarves. Zasitost should not support the ungrateful ones in the other city. We did all we could to help and they just demanded cash.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 26, 2017, 01:41:35 am
The dwarves there broke our property, extorting us for cash when they couldn't defend themselves. They sullied the good name of all dwarves. Zasitost should not support the ungrateful ones in the other city. We did all we could to help and they just demanded cash.Same problem Criptfiend had: Zasitost are the ones we declared war on, not the ones who showed up to help.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 02:02:25 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 26, 2017, 02:05:20 am
Is it wrong if I say I can't tell all these dwarves apart....Not as long as you change your vote to A to support the listening-to-birds movement. :P
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 02:06:32 am
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 04:11:17 am
1117 AD, Midsummer
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Great news come from Zasitost! Your brave soldiers finally, after a breach, managed to enter the fortified city. A great battle occured, followed by equally great looting of dwarven crafts and capture of many of their noblemen and artisans.
Your commanders ask whether they are to negotiate dwarven surrender.
A) Send them to the capital, I will negotiate myself.
B) Negotiate an advantageous treaty of reparations.
C) Negotiate for peace and that's enough.
D) Negotiate their vassalization to the throne of Methiant.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:23:32 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 04:40:13 am
D
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 26, 2017, 04:43:58 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 07:31:47 am
When the dwarves faced looting, we made a good faith effort to stop it.
When the dwarves demanded payments for crimes we had helped to end, we tried to talk it through and they refused.
And finally the dwarves destroyed our weather artifact from afar, an act surpassed in its cowardice by its barbarity.
Do they even understand what they've done?! This is about so much more than the value of a fancy stick. In their pathological arrogance they have guaranteed that tens, if not hundreds, of thousands will suffer starvation and plague who never once in their lives wished them the least harm.
And even after this outrageous act of war, greater than any human has ever inflicted upon Methiant and likely ever shall, we asked for financial reparations that we might invest to alleviate the suffering by other means. The dwarves answered with contempt and scorn.
No more will their metaled walls breed such deadly carelessness. D Let them live in concert with us and with the wider world, and understand that they are not a strand apart but rather a grand decoration woven into the web of time. It is up to them whether that thread be tarnished or shining.
(Actually I want them to travel here, to face the people whom they have wronged. But I can certainly accept a quick D since that's the endgame anyway, and we need to settle this before the Zonalath contingent does any further damage.)
Post by: Criptfeind on November 26, 2017, 07:33:01 am
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 08:04:39 am
A week later two reports come.
One is from Queen Dogethe. Having little soldiers to spare due to certain difficulties in the north, she has instead blockaded to dwarves of Zonalath, if such sneaky earth-dwellers can be blockaded, from leaving their mountains. She has dedicated little over three thousand troops for that.
The other is from your commanders in the west.
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They faced the Gubta in battle and they were horribly routed. Almost a third of your men in Ceodwell has been lost, and the rest is fleeing towards the border, hoping to stand firm at the border forts they've captured earlier.
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They also had some luck in finding out the involvement of the Gubta after capturing some foreigners; apparently Calahan III struck a deal with them! They were to repel your armies in return for some sort of tribute and other concessions. They weren't able to get more details though.
Few days after that, you receive a letter from your officers in Zasistost; the dwarves refused your demands. After another round of negotiation, the dwarves of the eastern citadel are willing however to send you some money as tribute in exchange for their continued independence.
A) They don't seem to understand their position! Pester them more till they give in to my demands.
B) Some money? They better refund the Rainbow Scepter, or else!
C) Fine, that's fine, I've got more important things to do than to deal with some stubborn shortstacks.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 26, 2017, 08:15:09 am
Post by: Tiruin on November 26, 2017, 08:17:58 am
AI hope we won't roll a hilarious 2 or below :v because that's just umpf.
A
Seriously, killing off our people because famine :<
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 08:51:11 am
If they do not want to give up their liberty, then let the dirty swine have death. They are traitors, base as the earth itself.
Post by: Imic on November 26, 2017, 10:24:25 am
I was against this, but my wifi has been acting suspiciously for the last while.
*Facepalm*
We're going to need a new map after this.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 26, 2017, 10:29:00 am
Post by: omada on November 26, 2017, 10:57:34 am
I would accept the price of the rainbow scepter (7 wealth?) But they should offer it thenselves
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 11:07:05 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 12:30:21 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 12:36:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 12:41:45 pm
1117 AD, Late Summer
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They weren't successful, and the captive dwarves fought for their lives. Many a Methiantese soldier died in the great struggle which saw the fortress of Zasitost catch on fire and its inner halls looted by your soldiers, dwarven patriots and random passerby adventurers. The city is in ruin and only its massive walls stand tall nowadays. What was left of dwarven populace disappeared into deep tunnels under the city, which your soldiers refuse to penetrate. Instead, they opted to cover the entrances with rock and dirt and rubble.
Your administrators begun poking around nearby human-led settlements, asking them to quietly accept they rule; all of these little hamlets which previously helped feed the city now respond to you.
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The battle at the border with the Ceodwell was yet another disaster; while this time the Gubta came in lesser numbers, your commanders simply flubbed it and another thousand or so soldiers was killed while the rest fled westwards. The casualties amongst Gubta must've been negligible, as they easily begun storming the border forts few days after the rout.
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While the garrisons did their best to inflict some losses upon the Gubta, your conquests were all negated. The Gubta decided to not stop after this string of victories, and made after your soldiers into your borderlands!
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But that's where your soldiers decided to make a stand. The Gubta were routed and some casualties were inflicted, but your soldiers aren't in best shape either. Your commanders and noblemen alike are worried about this development at the eastern front. What now, they ask?
A) Time to call up that thousand something of men from Lametania?
B) Time to ask Queen Dogethe to provide more forces?
C) Both of the above, maybe?
D) Time to negotiate with Ceodwells and the Gubtas?
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 12:44:58 pm
D Such rotten luck...
Post by: Criptfeind on November 26, 2017, 12:46:40 pm
Keep on trucking. Can't roll 1s forever!
Post by: omada on November 26, 2017, 12:50:17 pm
A?
C or D looks like it won't work properly somehow
Post by: helmacon on November 26, 2017, 12:50:44 pm
Onwards!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 12:52:15 pm
C or A. Probably A, since I don't want to bother the queen too much.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 26, 2017, 01:07:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 01:09:30 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 26, 2017, 01:51:10 pm
How useless are those prophecy seriously.
They only work when they are here to shaft us :/
Post by: Baffler on November 26, 2017, 02:03:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 02:07:40 pm
1117 AD, Autumn
The Army regroups and recuperates, reaching almost six thousand in numbers by now. That's fortunate, because the scouts and agents over the border report that the Ceodwells have also regrouped; a force of four thousand, mostly archers and cavalry, is on its way to the border! Suprisingly, there has been no sign of Gubta activity since your last victory.
A week later you receive another report!
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Glorious victory has been scored against the Ceodwells! Their numbers were broken and many of their soldiers were killed.
However, your commanders are unwilling to step into Ceodwellian territory once again, out of fear of lurking Gubta Oliphaunts, apparently.
A) Don't they know that cowardice can result in docked pay? Onwards, my brave soldiers!
B) That is a sound thinking. We ought to gather men during this lull in hostilities, too.
Post by: crazyabe on November 26, 2017, 02:10:22 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 02:11:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 02:12:42 pm
Let the men rest. They've seen hard fighting, and now it is we in the position of power. Not mention, our enemies, the dwarves, have slipped far beneath the earth. We must not think ourselves so proudly as to proclaim them defeated. They could rise forth at any time...
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 02:20:05 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 02:25:25 pm
B
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 02:28:07 pm
It's also right before winter, nah lets not have our men get caught behind enemy lines during winter.
B Good point.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 26, 2017, 02:28:52 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 26, 2017, 02:33:39 pm
Post by: omada on November 26, 2017, 02:38:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 02:39:11 pm
1117 AD, Mid-Autumn
All is quiet on the eastern front, except some raids by Ceodwellian horsemen (which are repaid for with raids by your own raiders).
Queen Dogethe sends you a letter; she has managed to talk the dwarves of Zonalath up for negotiations. Unfortunately the words of your deed at Zasitost has spread and the dwarven race as a whole is pissed off. If you want them off your mind, they demand that you send most of your money to Ankurvat, which will distribute it to the Dwarven High King and the other dwarven cities on the continent.
A) I can send them some money, but not that much!
B) Fine, we have a deal.
C) Heck no I ain't payin bruh!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 02:40:25 pm
Edit: Someone needs to explain to the dwarves (using small words so they understand) that you cannot take something back after you sold it, particularly just after the guy you took it from tried to help you.
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 02:42:03 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 26, 2017, 02:43:08 pm
Do they have mush for brains? How did they not realize yet that everything that happens was entirely their faults?
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 02:59:15 pm
1117 AD, Winter
King of Lametania has sent you a letter of complaint; your withdrawal of soldiers was a disaster as it allowed a noble rebellion to spring up in the west of the kingdom, and King Umar will have hard time to repel it. He considers the treaty void and sends only a caravan of money instead of crafts along with the letter.
There has been an attempt by Ceodwells to assault your border!
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Not only the Ceodwells were beaten, but your soldiers took a step into Calahan's domain and took three border forts which were garrisoned by naught but skeleton crews with minor amounts of supplies!
A) Onwards! Onwards to further glory!
B) And that's where we will turtle through the winter.
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 03:03:02 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 03:11:15 pm
How well do RL elephants do in cold places?
Very poorly. Very, very poorly.
I want to support our southern ally, but I also want to take the east... hmm...
A lets get this over quickly so we can send troops south again.
Edit: If the nobles of Lametania try to rise up when we temporarily pull out, then I guess they are really, really, stupid. They have to know we are coming back surely? Even if they win, they lose. I would say that we should send the king a letter, telling him we eilll be back, and not to worry too much about trying to control his nobles, just stay safe and we will crush them as soon as we can. Save his strength, we will do the work.
Post by: helmacon on November 26, 2017, 03:11:44 pm
fuck the dwarf chiefs, coming straight from the underground.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 26, 2017, 03:12:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 03:13:22 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 03:30:44 pm
If the dwarves want to whine, they can send a delegation to discuss the matter. I would have rather paid them off, seeing as we now functionally own their fort, but I am content. For now, let there be peace, for war waits just beyond the horizon.
Also. Bro-fist to Dogethe. That lady is made of iron.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 03:48:00 pm
A
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:04:10 pm
On the other front, the big problem is that Zasitost is the only dwarven land to our east. Ankurvat and Zonalath are both in the west – if we give the prophecy any credit at all then we daren't take a step toward them. The only "solution" I can see is if our friends and in-laws in Eldrican, the only nation not known to be worn out by recent wars, were to intervene on our behalf. And that will likely cost us just as much to arrange as a settlement. ((When the earth peoples were ready to pay us if we had let them keep some pride, grumble.))
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 04:06:00 pm
1117 AD, Midwinter
Silver is sent to the Treasury, while gemstones go east to the Eldrican.
Few days later you receive a report from the Army!
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Your soldiers ran smack into almost a ten thousand strong force of Gubta that was marching from behind Calahan's seat. The mighty battle was won msotly thanks to power of Fireblood, and the Gubta lost almost a third of their forces before they retreated. Your soldiers lost a quarter, before the Ceodwells moved in from the northeast, engaging your men few days after the battle against the Gubta!
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While the Ceodwells numbered only three thousand, they still managed to rout your men after inflicting almost a thousand of casualties. Your Army, harassed by the Ceodwell soldiers, retreated north and west, to lands near the border keeps. Still, numerically speaking, Methiant dealt much more damage to Gubta and Ceodwells than other way around.
1117 AD, Late Winter
Terrible news from the north! The dwarves of Zonalath have not only broken the encirclement of the mountains, they also managed to bribe Queen Dogethe to withdraw from the conflict!
As far as rumors go, the Queen was feeling super guilty about this, having to sacrifice the alliance for her people's wellbeing, but who can believe the feelings of such a female viper like her now??
The governors of the cities in northeast beg for assistance as two armies of heavily armed dwarves (for a total of three thousand footsoldiers) is marching through the lands, wreaking havoc.
Your court begins to panic again and in many the burning hatred for Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl grows every second.
As for the dwarven menace...
A) Fine, I will give them the money they want.
B) Our Army from Ceodwell must now go to fight the dwarves!
As for Queen Dogethe's most despicable act of utter betrayal...
A) It's understandable really, even if it was a dickish move right now.
B) She has abandoned us in the time of need! We do not forget - nor forgive!
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 26, 2017, 04:08:00 pm
We will lose a lot of cash to the dwarves, but lets not get her fresh and ready and well funded army a reason to invade us.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:09:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:10:02 pm
A A
And Dogethe managed what we asked of her for as long as could be expected. I for one am neither surprised nor angry.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 26, 2017, 04:11:18 pm
Post by: Arlos on November 26, 2017, 04:15:37 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 04:16:19 pm
Not going to vote on this one.
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 04:19:27 pm
Post by: Imic on November 26, 2017, 04:21:39 pm
That stupid raven came and yelled at us, and now we're slaughtering everyone.
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 04:22:30 pm
Oh god...
That stupid raven came and yelled at us, and now we're slaughtering everyone.
Birds. Proven to increase bloodlust by at least 30 to 50%.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 04:23:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:24:56 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 04:27:27 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:28:32 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 04:30:07 pm
Although if the argument is for some sort of repayment for this, I'm all for that. It's just the wording there is making it seem less like "ask for repayment" more "fuck her forever"
Post by: Arlos on November 26, 2017, 04:31:30 pm
The thing to think about - in her position, would we have done the same? The answer is probably yes, in all honesty. Look at our situation. If that were on her, would we want any part of it?
I don't think so, considering how much we helped her it's frankly disappointing how she bowed out on us at the first sign of trouble.
We should have taken up those Noble proposal to get some of her territory, who would have thought that she was such a disloyal person?
Post by: ZBridges on November 26, 2017, 04:33:05 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 26, 2017, 04:35:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:36:26 pm
How shamefully ironic if we entered into a war against the dwarves because they refused diplomatic negotiations, and then we ourselves utterly reject any terms.
We should have taken up those Noble proposal to get some of her territory, who would have thought that she was such a disloyal person?Yeah, because a queen who is our staunchest ally for forty years and can't hold back an army of 3000 angry dwarves when her kingdom is at it's lowest point is so disloyal. ::)
I'll admit to being disappointed about the rumors of bribery, but, I repeat, not surprised nor angry.
Post by: crazyabe on November 26, 2017, 04:39:31 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:39:53 pm
then we ourselves utterly reject any terms.
TERMS!? What terms? They took our stuff, now they want to take more stuff because we were angry. That is not terms.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:40:55 pm
Few days after that, you receive a letter from your officers in Zasistost; the dwarves refused your demands. After another round of negotiation, the dwarves of the eastern citadel are willing however to send you some money as tribute in exchange for their continued independence.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:42:14 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:43:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:45:54 pm
Now you want to throw it all away, and pay the dwarves tribute.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 04:47:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:48:07 pm
I imagine they're digging in underground invasion tunnel right now straight to the palace.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:49:51 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 04:51:42 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 04:51:48 pm
Wusses. We only need to push them back to the boarder. Personally, I say we kill every dwarf we can now, they only have 3k troops.And how many troops do you think we have after all this fighting, much of which has not gone well? Enough to split our forces between the East and West and not find ourselves stretched to breaking? I disagree.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 26, 2017, 04:54:00 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 04:57:27 pm
Post by: Deidei on November 26, 2017, 05:01:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 05:03:42 pm
A quick PTW, please ignore (I'm not going to vote without reading all this first)Welcome and don't mind the recent bitterness. I hope you have a lot of time, it took me hours to catch up with the full story and the thread wasn't half as long then. But worth it. :D
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 05:05:05 pm
Also yeah have to agree with mightymushroom there. I remember it taking me forever to catch up on the original SPAMKINGDOM game when I joined. Though I don't regret it. It was a fun read.
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 05:09:37 pm
We're usual much less strongly split about things.Yes
Ha ha
much less split
Ha
sweeps the civil war under the rug
Post by: Haspen on November 26, 2017, 05:10:13 pm
ba ba ba
bb bb bb
You decide to finally relent and inform the dwarves you will pay them for peace. You also tell your court that Queen Dogethe is to be forgiven her 'betrayal', but only this once.
1117 AD, Late Winter
The eastern front is again quiet. Your Army is gearing up for warmer days and the Ceodwells doesn't seem keen on retaking the border forts.
The dwarves accept your tribute, and a delegation of them (with hefty amount of guard) arrives at the capital, taking your moneys. They also bring you a peace treaty signed by Lord of Zonalath, wherein the dwarves accept the traditional tribute for your crime of destroying Zasitost.
1117 AD, End of the Year
Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 0!
Army: 4
"...and the recent tribute to Dwarves basically destroyed all what was left of our savings, my liege. The Army is doing its best to stay afloat and the people aren't exceptionally happy at the moment." The Advisor folds up the papers and looks at you.
A) "Raise the taxes then, we need the money ASAP!"
B) "Slash the Army's budget for a year, we're doing well against Ceodwell anyways!"
C) "Don't worry, we will get money soon. At least, I hope so..."
Post by: milo christiansen on November 26, 2017, 05:11:39 pm
Edit: I just checked and the vote counts are wrong.
Edit2: AA still won by one vote, but the result was AA: 5, BA: 4, BB: 1 (or 2 if prophet's crossed out vote counts)
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 05:12:34 pm
A.
Post by: ZBridges on November 26, 2017, 05:13:13 pm
Post by: Imic on November 26, 2017, 05:14:34 pm
We do NOTHING with money for the next year other then gwt outpr hands on it, agreed?
A
I've never seen us actually on the brink of collapse like this since the very first Spamgame.
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 05:16:25 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 26, 2017, 05:18:02 pm
SHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITI think that we can agree on. Ideally now that we're not at danger of being hit in the back, we should be able to focus on Ceodowell and Gubta. The ideal would be territory from the former and reparations from the latter, I think.
We do NOTHING with money for the next year other then gwt outpr hands on it, agreed?
Post by: mightymushroom on November 26, 2017, 05:32:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 26, 2017, 05:44:38 pm
A
It's like to get us another rebellion, but what else is there for it?
Post by: omada on November 26, 2017, 05:52:14 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 05:59:32 pm
We will endure. Losing money is bad, but losing a war is worse. Death, is a heaviest of all weights.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 26, 2017, 07:02:57 pm
I'm sure a rebellion at 7 pop is perfectly fine.
(Shame I missed all the important stuff.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 26, 2017, 07:33:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 26, 2017, 07:48:24 pm
Here is hoping that we don't have to worry about any revolts and if we do that we can some how stop them without having to resort to heavy military action.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 26, 2017, 08:07:57 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 26, 2017, 09:38:02 pm
Post by: Tiruin on November 26, 2017, 10:35:53 pm
A) "Raise the taxes then, we need the money ASAP!"I see everyone else is voting A? :P
B) "Slash the Army's budget for a year, we're doing well against Ceodwell anyways!"
B) "Don't worry, we will get money soon. At least, I hope so..."
Did nobody see the double B's?
Also revolts increase with A :v
Ah well.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 12:48:55 am
1118 AD, Spring
Report comes from the Army; shortly after they embarked, they met with Ceodwells in battle again!
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5*
They have given their enemies a proper pounding, and resumed their advance southeast.
1118 AD, Mid-Spring
Halfway through Ceodwell, your Army was attacked by eight thousand Gubta and a score of their dreaded Oliphaunts.
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4*
They managed to inflict many losses upon the Gubta and even killed half of Oliphaunts on the field, but your commanders had to halt their advance. Their report says that only about three thousand Methiantese soldiers are left on the field, and Fireblood is running low, as your pursuit of newer designs left the production capacity of the weapons and their ammunition rather low.
A) We've taken the borderlands that were rightfully ours. I think its time to negotiate.
B) Retreat to the border forts, regroup, and renew the offensive!
C) Onwards! We either capture Ceodwell's capital, or die trying.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 12:53:11 am
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 12:56:20 am
Although I could maybe be persuaded to vote B...
Post by: Tiruin on November 27, 2017, 01:03:40 am
It is Spring. We have a long time for this, and reinforcement takes a while. Pushing forward is pitting our forces against the OTHER HALF of their Oliphaunts (they still got dat +1), probably conscripted forces of other folks (+1 to numbers, which we do not NOW have), and probably a royal guard or something specialized which we never had at all.
As the new King, I'd like us to not throw off our people.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 01:05:46 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 27, 2017, 01:06:01 am
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 01:09:58 am
C
Post by: Puppyguard on November 27, 2017, 01:13:09 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 01:24:47 am
We can't afford another war. Especially since our citizens aren't going to be happy. Unless you want to try and quell riots outside the palace with no army?
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 01:49:48 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 02:04:23 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 02:08:07 am
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 02:14:51 am
A - We've taken what we asked for, so time to stop this and face down the dwarves.
the dwarves are already dealt with. We razed the one stronghold, and payed of the other. It's just us and the gubta really.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 03:05:48 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 03:51:44 am
I can't believe you people don't trust birds.
Gee, it's almost like last time something like this happened (complete with birds, even) we got overly alarmed and jumped the gun on our diplomatic priorities, and then promptly lost the game before the event prophesied could even come to pass.
Post by: Imic on November 27, 2017, 03:59:07 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 27, 2017, 04:07:07 am
Let's pick up our pride and try to recover from this disaster.
Post by: Draignean on November 27, 2017, 07:37:12 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 07:53:04 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 09:29:40 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 09:34:59 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 11:11:45 am
Spoiler: thinking aloud (click to show/hide)
There seems to be a pattern. We alternate fights between Ceodwells and Gubtas.
One more fight could put the Ceodwells down for good. C
But if we don't get this right now we'll boast about zero army to go along with our lack of money and happiness.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 11:42:49 am
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You demand from your Army to move forward at all costs!
1118 AD, Late Spring
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The Army is rebelling!
Your palace is in state of terror as your despicable courtiers began to pack up and leave as the Army commanders in the east, exhausted and tired of this meat-grinder war, have decided that they had enough of your overly ambitious plans for the east!
Instead of going with your plans, they've reversed their course and are now marching straight toward the capital. Their demands are that you settle for peace with the Ceodwells on any terms. If you comply, they will let you stay on the throne. Otherwise, they will find someone else who won't endanger the Kingdom in exchange for some territorial gains.
The Spymaster's agents report that there's two thousand soldiers marching for the capital. Were the remainder killed or otherwise gotten rid off, they're not sure. The rebellious mob does have the Fireblood and artillery with them.
For comparison, the garrison of the capital city is about a thousand and the palace's Captain of the Guard reports hundred fifty men at ready.
You proclaim that...
A) You will concede to their demands and seek peace with the Calahan III of Ceodwell.
B) You will execute every one of the traitors the moment they get into your hands!
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 11:44:25 am
even if we won b, we would be even weaker.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 11:44:52 am
Sensible request, let's get either a chunk of land or a white peace and be done with this debacle already.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 11:47:26 am
If you bow down to their demands now, they'll know that they can do this at any time. They'll effectively own the country, and that'll be the end.
An army rebellion is very serious, and needs to be squashed right away.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 11:49:43 am
On the one hand, I want to execute them because A) they deserve it, B) we definitely could (only 2:1 manpower for sieging their own capital? Good luck), and C) they deserve it, but on the other hand, now might not be the best time.
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 11:52:36 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 11:54:04 am
I know we don't want to concede to this, but to refuse would be a succession crisis, an utterly crippled county or both.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 11:57:27 am
Pick B, then send the spymaster to kill the ringleaders.
Post by: Arlos on November 27, 2017, 11:59:40 am
Next time the spirit of the Forest feel bad about killing one of our character, I'd rather they sent Gold than a prophecy.
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 12:14:15 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 12:29:16 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 12:44:52 pm
A
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 12:46:41 pm
We have lost this war, plain and simple. We mis managed our armies and took to much to chew, and at this point I think we should take a good decade or two and just, rebuild. Recooperate. We are going to destroy ourselves if we kill everything and everything under the sun, and I thinkw e should commit to that whole peace thing by subtly dismantling the army like the kingly king peace king we are.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 12:48:14 pm
1118, Summer
By mediation via Gubta diplomats and under close observation by your Army officers, a peace is settled with Calahan III of Ceodwell; he decided to cede territory - only those that the old papers speak about. A negligible amount of settlements and fertile land was got, it means. There were no monetary tributes or payments involved. The truce between the two lands is set for ten years, a demand that was pushed in on last minute by the Gubtas (your Army commanders decided to allow for this).
In next few months, most of the Army commanders involved in this rebellion all suffer some unfortunate, and lethal, accidents, the Spymaster says.
1118, Midsummer
Your wife gives birth to a child! It is another boy, and she names him 'Houlandin', after the grandiose Luathbasian dynasty of old.
1118, Autumn
A caravan of silver has arrived from Kingdom of Cydwyl! It is a gift from Queen Dogethe, and the envoys accompanying the money say she hopes that the relationship between your two countries can be mended, as she would rather have Methiant as friends rather than enemies.
A) Accept the money and agree to let the past be past.
B) Shoo away, evil woman, and take your money with you!
C) Thanks for the money, but we will never forgive the treachery!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 12:49:25 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 12:50:07 pm
We can use this silver to make peasant houses. Think of the peasant houses.
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 12:50:33 pm
Allies are good to have, and this is just what we needed.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 12:51:01 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 12:54:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 12:56:56 pm
1118 AD, Mid-Autumn
There's rioting in the cities of old Donuth and Felonsein! Many large settlements suffer from riots as peasants and craftsmen harass adn mug your tax collectors and officials. The governors of the cities say they are having everything under control, but your courtiers doubt that this is true.
You decide to...
A) Send some inspiring speeches to the rioting masses in hopes of calming them down.
B) Tell the governors that you fully trust their abilities to solve those little crisises.
C) Order the Army to march northwards and deal with the rioters.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 12:59:03 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 12:59:35 pm
That way if A fails C will land before things get too bad.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:00:17 pm
THe King sits back, they dont have to take care of every little thing.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 01:00:49 pm
Just letting it play out could be a luck roll anyway.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 01:04:28 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 27, 2017, 01:05:09 pm
King needs his relaxation time.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 01:06:33 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 01:08:29 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:09:00 pm
Madman, the entire military all has tired feet from their marches into the meat grinder, the least we can do is for them to finish eating their sausages before sending them out again.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 01:12:20 pm
You decide to let the governors handle this - after all they boast they have everything under control, so why should you doubt them?
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Apparently, they had some rights; while riots smoldered for almost two weeks, in the end the calm returned and casualties numbered in less than hundred.
1118 AD, Winter
Silver and gemstones arrive at your Palace.
It is when the Advisor and the Treasurer approach you.
"Sire, the deal with the Eldrican is a fine one," the Treasurer begins, "but it is very unprofitable for the Treasury. Our fine gemstones bring us naught but fuel for the already expensive pursuit of Fireblood siege engines, and our profits aren't enough to outweigh our already high losses." The Advisor nods along.
"My liege, isn't it time we ask King Eldrican to provide us not only with Fireblood ingredients for the gemstones, but also some money as well?"
A) "That sounds fine, I will write him a letter at once."
B) "That might anger him and endanger the trade deal we already have!"
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 01:14:23 pm
I wouldn't have negotiated peace if I knew it would come with a ten year truce. Ah well, we are sure to have rifles by that time anyways.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:15:49 pm
It just doesn't seem worth it to risk one of our main technological ways of advancing our selves.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 01:16:10 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 27, 2017, 01:18:29 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 01:19:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 01:20:16 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 01:21:42 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 01:23:26 pm
B
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 01:25:35 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 27, 2017, 01:31:08 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:32:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 01:32:48 pm
1118 AD, End of the Year
You dread this time of the year. Did you do enough saving and profiting to save the Treasury, and, ultimately, the Kingdom, from bankruptcy?
Here comes the Advisor; in his hands, the Scrolls of Kingdom Status lie.
He places them on your desk, and slowly rolls them open in unnecessarily dramatic way...
Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: 3
You rub your temples. A disaster has been barely avoided. The Advisor coughs and then looks at you.
"My liege, I have naught to offer but to slash the Army's budget for a year. Or we could keep the taxes raised."
As for Army budget...
A) Our Army is strill recovering from the war and subsequent revolt. We need to rebuild it!
B) Fine, that will be a fitting punishment for those rebellious bastards!
As for raised taxes...
A) Alas, we can only hope that my subjects will understand - keep the taxes raised.
B) I can't risk people rebel because I strain their pockets this much; we need to lower the taxes.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 01:34:02 pm
AA
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 01:35:53 pm
Need that cheddar to stay afloat.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:37:15 pm
Think of the peasant houses!
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 01:39:53 pm
Spoiler: I took too long to vote (click to show/hide)
Or AB (as the army shall deal with rebels)
or BB Lay low for one year get some money and then return to increase army and stuff
Post by: birdy51 on November 27, 2017, 01:40:40 pm
We just had a revolt over taxes. If we don't let up- eventually we'll be spending so much money on revolt prevention that both our Army and our Economy will suffer. And as for the army, we just signed a truce with two of our biggest enemies. As long as we don't choose to fight, our Army can be recovered next year when we have monehs. I personally propose a tax break of five years; enough to let the embers of discontent to die down.
Also. We destroyed a fortress. We really should pat ourselves on the back for that!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:43:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 01:51:20 pm
We have ten years to work on the army. I just don't think making happiness even worse at the start of them is helpful.
B B
Population bonus tax +1
Raised taxes +1
Gemstones traded
Silver Mine +1
Bureaucracy -1? (I've never felt sure that making the income department more efficient incurs expense?)
Professional Army -1
Fireblood R&D -1? (still ongoing, though they almost never ask for re-authorization?)
Dogethe's Gift +1
Did I miss some spending last year?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 01:53:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 01:54:32 pm
Edit: Since this is something that's come up time and time again I went ahead and asked the GM. He said that no, we don't.
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 01:55:25 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 02:01:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 02:06:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 02:14:49 pm
1119 AD, Spring
You hear of trouble in Kingdom of Eldrican; apparently, the new Tirine king has been rather uncooperative towards Elran III. After the last year was spent on covert hostilities, some insults and dealings with foreign rulers, the conflict blew up into a full-scale war.
Also, a proposal sent by the local Alldivine Cloisters has caused some ruckus amongst your courtiers. Apparently, the Alldivine Cloisterlords wish to establish a sacred land in ex-Zasitost lands. There their worshippers could live under the
What was most surprising is the amount of money offered; almost equal to eight years of profits that taxation of Methiantese peoples could bring.
The proposal came up in the same days when your royal prospectors sent their report; the land around ruins of Zasitost is sparsely populated and thus has a lots of living room, not to mention quite fertile ground for farmlands and such. Colonization and settling of this land could give your subjects much breathing (and breeding, hehe) space, although this would require infusion of some royal funds to kickstart it.
After thorough contemplation on those proposals, you decide to...
A) Sell the land to the Alldivine Cloisters at agreed-to price.
B) Sell the land to the Alldivine Cloisters, but at much higher price; after all we're talking about highest quality farmlands here!
C) Sponsor settlement effort of the eastern lands.
D) Shoot down both ideas.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 02:17:35 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 27, 2017, 02:18:12 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 02:18:40 pm
The peasant houses will be beautiful.
But then we gotta figure out something with the money we lost, but thats whats money is for.
Peasant houses.
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 02:18:58 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 02:21:07 pm
Yeah we sold that land to the Dwarves in the First SPAMKINGDOM. Look how that turned out.
If that is true, then C! no selling, ever.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 27, 2017, 02:22:33 pm
B
Someone else can deal with those beasts, we just need to get our economy back in shape.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 02:24:48 pm
Didn't we sell it because there were lizards hiding in the caves underneath?
That was Zonalath, in northwest, as far as I remember ;v
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 27, 2017, 02:26:10 pm
Having a very militaristic maybe fanatical theocracy as a neighbor doesn't seem that great.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 02:30:34 pm
Yeah. Setting up more rivals in the future doesn't sound good.
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 02:33:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 02:35:07 pm
Edit: Since this is something that's come up time and time again I went ahead and asked the GM. He said that no, we don't.Thank you, and I realize my mistake. Any natural taxes are of course offset by natural expenses. My bad. :-[
Although I don't see why we couldn't have cut the Fireblood alchemists' budget instead of the Army if that is indeed the third point of expense. Perhaps the advisor is shortsighted? Has a nephew in the guild?
What, if anything, can the Alldivines benefit us in the long term now that we can't use their mercenaries? Will it outweigh the growth of our own peoples?
Well, there is that unknown evil sealed beneath the old tunnels of the dwarves. A warrior-priesthood living on top of it would be a better advance guard than random peasants. And it might maybe kinda divert any lingering resentment from the dwarves. Both of those are weak reasons, though.
In the long term we need more taxes, which usually means we need more peasants to tax.
A But this is too big an opportunity for me to pass on. It gives us so much more freedom to make investments on whatever other events come up. Including investments in the army to meet any threat on any border.
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 02:37:17 pm
B can save our economy even more, and if not work we can go to C (only voting this because i don't want C to win right now, we need that cash to return things to normal, other option is A)
C) more population, nice, when we get more taxes? 10 pop? but right now we can't really spend money
D) just ignore everything
price to be combinedE The alldivines can buy it, but only as an independent vassal of the crown. They rule as they wish, but under our protection.
Didn't we sell it because there were lizards hiding in the caves underneath?
That was Zonalath, in northwest, as far as I remember ;v
Zonalath sitting on lizards
Zazistot sitting on demons, now is humans, sitting on dwarves, sitting on demons
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 02:40:25 pm
They will make good neighbors, if nothing else then as a wall against other people's aggression.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 02:42:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 02:45:06 pm
Your Treasurer opens his arms in a very tired 'why' gesture and decides to take a week off the job.
1119 AD, Mid-Spring
Finally, you get some details on the deal between Calahan and the Gubta; apprently, he has converted to Eleven Graces, the current state religion of the Gubta, divorced his current wife and married fifth princess of Gubta Emperor. He also has to send half of profits from the gold mines at the easternmost tip of Ironbone Mountains to Gubta treasury for next ten years.
You look up from the report and at the Spymaster.
"They have gold mines?"
"Yes, my liege." The Spymaster nods. "Apparently they're highly efficient and provide Calahan with lots of money since he had them dug out at the start of the decade."
1119 AD, Late Spring
Esta gives birth once again! For once, it's a girl. Your beloved wife names her 'Erika'.
1119 AD, Summer
Seeking a good way to alleviate economical problems, the Treasurer has been digging through old papers and remembered that the silver mines are allegedly sitting on vast amount of silver.
"Mayhaps we should enlarge them so they bring us more yearly profits, my liege? Even if that will shorten their lifespan, I still think its a better alternative than hovering near-bankruptcy for next few years."
A) "Fine, let's expand the mines."
B) "Nah, they're fine as they are."
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 02:46:55 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 02:50:14 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 02:51:41 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 02:51:50 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 02:59:07 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 03:02:41 pm
working with us might bring a lot of stress
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 27, 2017, 03:07:03 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 03:09:37 pm
We just HAD to drop the offer of between 8 and 16 Wealth for slow population growth AT A PAYMENT WHEN WE ARE NEARLY OUT OF CASH. >:(
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 03:11:58 pm
You receive a report in which the overseer of the mines will begin the expansion in earnest but this year he can't promise anything.
1119 AD, Autumn
You hear that the war in the west is actually going head-to-head between Eldricans and the Tirines. Is the Eldrican Kingdom not as strong as it looks, or mayhaps the Tirines just exploited a moment of weakness, you're not sure. It's ahrd to get information out of travelers and King Elran III doesn't seem eager to get you involved.
Maybe it's for the best.
1119 AD, Winter
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Tails
Unfortunately, the miners weren't able to finish expanding the mines this year, and thus you get no extra profits this time. Next year, though!
Gemstones also arrive, and are sent westwards to Eldrican with the caravan that brought Fireblood supplies.
1119 AD, End of the Year
The year came, the year went. It was a little uneventful, and you're not sure if that's good or bad. Good, maybe.
The Advisor brings the Scrolls of Kingdom Status, and you read them eagerly like an American dad reads his newspaper during breakfast with his family:
Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 0!
Army: 3
Your Advisor stares at you, expectantly. You decide to...
A) Keep the Army off budget for another year.
B) Raise the taxes again.
C) Cut funding to alchemists and engineers working with Fireblood.
D) All of the above.
E) Do nothing, you will stay afloat somehow.
"Oh right, I almost forgot my liege." The Advisor pulls a big-ass scroll out of his robes and sprawls it on your desk. "The scribes and cartographers have completed updating the map of our neighbourhood."
Spoiler: The Big-Ass Scroll with Map of Neighbourhood On It (click to show/hide)
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 03:13:20 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 27, 2017, 03:13:41 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 03:14:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 27, 2017, 03:14:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 03:14:59 pm
D. Can't be certain we'll actually get that silver.
YOU CANNOT CUT FUNDING
YOU WILL REGRET THIS
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 27, 2017, 03:15:58 pm
Honestly the military reforms were kinda bad for this, it just constantly takes cash from us each year, without a good source of income we really cant afford it.
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 27, 2017, 03:19:01 pm
D. Can't be certain we'll actually get that silver.
YOU CANNOT CUT FUNDING
YOU WILL REGRET THIS
Sure we can. That's why option C exists. If we couldn't cut funding, it wouldn't be an option to cut funding.
'Sides, firebloods won't do us much good if they end up in the hands of a bunch of nobles, peasants, or (gods forbird) republicans. Which they will, since we sure won't be able to afford keeping them.
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 03:19:35 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 03:20:30 pm
taxes cant be raised or we WILL have a revolution and it's gonna happen with a small army so... no
Cut funding, could happen, but it might be on the verge of discovering something
let's try our luck
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 03:20:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 03:20:52 pm
We just got a cash injection from the silvermines.
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 03:21:46 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 03:23:22 pm
or (gods forbird) republicans.
((Speaking of which, why start another spam game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168262) if you don't plan to update it?))
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 03:23:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 03:24:34 pm
C Just to alternate departments. I don't know how much Fireblood funding we need to resupply, but our army numbers could be up to 8 when the truce expires if we split the budget between our two military initiatives.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 27, 2017, 03:34:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 03:34:53 pm
c
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You decide to keep the Army off-budget for another year.
1120 AD, Spring
Your wife gives birth to yet another boy! She names him 'Connan', after one of her uncles.
1120 AD, Mid-Spring
Nightscare the Ever-flowing Fountain of Rot has arrived!
It is a quadruped resembling a black wolf with rotting flesh. It has a hard protective exoskeleton made of copper. It's purple gaze instills insanity in all those who dare look up into its eyes. Beware its flesh-dissolving breath!
This terrible monstrosity has one day left the great forest in the northeast and begun laying waste and destruction to settlements along the border of Methiant. Your courtiers request that something is to be done as soon as possible; the people's mood is at its lows and ignoring this terrible monstrosity will definitely only serve to sour their spirits.
A) Time for our Army to go and blow up Nightscare up with Thundercats!
B) We will find a Wizard, and then all will be good, I promise.
C) How about we hire a party of lvl30+ adventurers to slay the beast?
D) Let's ignore it. If we don't think about it, it will go away on its own.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 03:36:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 03:37:33 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on November 27, 2017, 03:38:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 27, 2017, 03:39:46 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 03:41:16 pm
just kidding
A)Just to show people we are doing something before calling a wizard, but if our army get's smashed someone will try to engulf us for sure...
b) really solve the problem, and is FREEE but without luck they will think we done nothing and hapiness will get lower
C) no money, forget
D) no. simply no. will result in lower hapiness and do nothing
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 03:41:33 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 27, 2017, 03:42:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 03:49:05 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 27, 2017, 03:50:20 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 27, 2017, 03:53:24 pm
I'm worried about our low army rating, but also I'm worried about wizards.
Post by: birdy51 on November 27, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
Pray for success in arms.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 03:56:32 pm
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They do it! The battle rages for whole day and many hundreds of soldiers perished to the putrid breath or giant copper-clad paws of the nightmarish wolf. But volley after volley, the monstrosity was beaten up till it finally fell. Your soldiers then, much to their horror, saw the rotting beast partially explode, sending dissolving gasses across the vast field, which decayed as did hundreds of your soldiers decay to the bone.
Overall, more than a thousand of brave Methiantese soldiers perished in the fight against Nightscare the Ever-flowing Fountain of Rot.
But the Kingdom is safe, and that's the important part.
1120 AD, Summer
As you work up yourself and your dear wife for another round of baby-making, at one moment Esta forcibly pushes you out of her embrace with help of her foot. After you get yourself off the floor, flushed and annoyed, Esta covers herself with a blanket and stares at you with same annoyance.
"Should I present my skills as 'the Devourer of the Oyster' once again?" Your wife sighs, her face fiercely red.
"No, not really. At least, not this time!" You scratch your beard and then sit at the bed next to your wife.
"I'm tired of baby-making, my dear husband. I mean, I understand my responsibilities to the dynasty and I dearly love you, you bedchamber beast you, but, well, how to put it. There comes a time that a farmer needs to let his field lay fallow for a year so it regains fertility and strength." She bats her eyelashes at you. "Understood?"
You rub your chin thoughtfully.
A) Esta sure earned her vacation. Let's postpone the baby-making for a year or so.
B) More babies is always needed, especially as I'm the only dynasty male of age besides my uncle! I've gotta persuade Esta.
C) Well, we've got many babies done. Mayhaps its time to start using various herbs and such so we can enjoy bedtime without worrying about possibility of babies?
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 03:58:27 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 03:59:42 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 27, 2017, 04:00:31 pm
C, I guess.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2017, 04:01:27 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 27, 2017, 04:03:16 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 27, 2017, 04:16:11 pm
Come on guys. Heirs are like 1Ups. You can never have enough heirs!
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 04:16:46 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 04:24:30 pm
An sexually active family is a happy one, and we still want kids, and these herbs sometimes fail, when she is ready we can go back without herbs
and come on Cyl, "should i present my skills?" you should do it everytime till haspen feel obliged to put it as a trait or title
Cyl I "The Oyster devourer", son of Yoe II, Spring 1115 AD - ??
Status (last updated Late Spring 1119 AD)
*Trait: Lucky, Oyster eater
*Family:
Wife: Esta "The happy", daughter of King Elran III of Eldrican (married Late Spring 1115 AD)
Heir: Leath, twin brother of Tywynn (born Midwinter 1115 AD)
Other children: Tywynn, twin brother of Leath (born Midwinter 1115 AD), son Ustwelf (born Summer 1117 AD), son Houlandin (born Midsummer 1118 AD), daughter Erika (born Late Spring, 1119 AD), son Connan "the barbarian" (born Spring, 1120 AD)
*Achievements:
Gained some border territories from Kingdom of Ceodwell in a pyrrhic campaign against King Calahan III in 1117-1118 AD.
Destroyed the Dwarven Citadel of Zasitost in 1117 AD.
*Other:
Owns The Rainbow Scepter, able to calm down storms and other harsh weather phenomena affecting the farmland. Made by dwarven runesmiths for Yoe I, in Midsummer 1085 AD. Stolen by unknown thief in Autumn 1092 AD, recovered by adventurers in Midwinter 1092 AD. Destroyed out of spite by dwarves in 1117 AD.
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 04:28:59 pm
gotta keep eaten the oysters
Post by: melkor on November 27, 2017, 04:34:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 04:44:48 pm
cccccc
You tell Esta that you and her have enough kids, and maybe its time to start using herbs and other medicines to keep baby-making out of love-making. She thanks you profusely for being generous.
1120 AD, Autumn
While your wife is fertile and you're energetic, the same cannot be said about the land, unfortunately!
The late summer rains damaged the crops and the harvest was meager, at best. People fear of starvation and many city governors ask the Crown to buy foodstuffs in preparation for the coming winter.
The Advisor reminds you that people remain rather bitter towards the Crown at the moment, so denying this request might have bad consequences. Still, it's up to you to decide that...
A) Your people need to fast through the winter, and you will fast with them to promote the spirit of unity.
B) Your people need the grain, and thus its time to procure it abroad before the harsh winter strikes.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 04:45:32 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 04:45:51 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 04:49:06 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 04:50:29 pm
B
B screw those scepter wrecking dwarves. Hopefully their land will prove more valuable in the long run.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 04:57:46 pm
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It has been a wise decision; the funds are spent on various contracts with merchants (suprisingly, most of them came from Lametania and Ceodwell), who provided enough supply of grains to last your people well into next Spring. Crisis averted, woo!
1120, Mid-Autumn
An envoy from King Elran III of Eldrican has arrived, with bad news. The current situation at the battlefront with Tirines has been putting a strain on the supply of Fireblood for their siege engines, and therefore King Elran III had to suspend the trade of gemstones for Fireblood components for unspecified amount of time. This will leave your own Fireblood armaments without fuel and ammunition, not to mention your alchemists without supplies to tinker with.
"Still, sire, what shall we do with our gemstones till then?"
A) "Stockpile them, so we might buy extra Fireblood ingredients from King Elran once he can afford it."
B) "Sell them off, we need the money, and its better to have surplus than a deficit."
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 05:00:10 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on November 27, 2017, 05:00:21 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 27, 2017, 05:00:37 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 27, 2017, 05:03:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 05:09:12 pm
A, although I would really prefer to search our new mountains for our own source of sulphur...
We should hire the dwarves to check that out for us... oh... wait. Oops.
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 05:12:58 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 05:15:47 pm
We won't be spending more money with alchemists this way and we won't have really a deficit.
Post by: Haspen on November 27, 2017, 05:16:19 pm
1120 AD, Winter
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Silver comes in many, many boxes! And per your orders, the gemstones are sold away. The Treasurer cries a bit because its been years since he saw such profits.
1120 AD, End of the Year
Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: 2
The Advisor coughs but he has nothing to say. You drum your fingers on the table.
Still, these could've been worse.
1121 AD, Spring
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6grumblegrumble
The colonization effort has been a success! Many a wanderer or migrant from across the borders to north, east and south has moved to Methiant. The governors report that thousands have settled in the lands once controlled by Zasitost dwarves. The drive to develop the lands has led many prospectors to sniff around the mountains to the east; you might expect results in some time.
(Population is now at 8; this means extra tax money thanks to Bureaucratic reform).
1121 AD, Summer
Unfortunately, in the west, riots smolder the beautiful landscape once again. Numerous cities populated by Felonsines experience angry people stirring up trouble and beating up your officials and even city guards when nobody's looking. The local administrators believe they can fix this, but some at your court doubt their assurances.
A) Our Army will deal with these rioters!
B) I will address the people to soothe their anger!
C) Well, it's up to the governors then.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 27, 2017, 05:18:55 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 27, 2017, 05:20:20 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 27, 2017, 05:21:47 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 05:28:10 pm
That mean +2 now????
B
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 05:29:23 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 05:36:38 pm
our profits are +3 from taxes, +2 from silver, +1 from gemstones.
Our expenses are -1 to bureaucracy, -1 to military, -1 to research.
We are no longer spending money on settlement, and tax and silver both increased, swinging our total finances by 3 in the right direction. Once we figure out rifles, we will get another economy back as well.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 05:42:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 05:43:01 pm
Still +3 income per year. We're practically rolling in money now!
Post by: crazyabe on November 27, 2017, 05:43:50 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 06:26:23 pm
Only +2 taxes (+1 at 6 pop and +1 at eight) I think. And also without materials research has probably been halted probably.
1 base tax +2
Post by: birdy51 on November 27, 2017, 06:31:16 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 06:57:13 pm
Only +2 taxes (+1 at 6 pop and +1 at eight) I think. And also without materials research has probably been halted probably.
1 base tax +2
There is no such thing as base tax.
Post by: helmacon on November 27, 2017, 07:14:12 pm
Only +2 taxes (+1 at 6 pop and +1 at eight) I think. And also without materials research has probably been halted probably.
1 base tax +2
There is no such thing as base tax.
so what do our tax collectors do when we are under 6 pop?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 27, 2017, 07:15:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 27, 2017, 08:04:57 pm
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Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2017, 08:47:41 pm
Post by: omada on November 27, 2017, 09:24:00 pm
So perhaps we can study them for some tips on how to go about it? :P
Don't roll a bunch of 1? it's a good start :v
Perhaps we should be defensive and overcautious when we don't have high bonus against something, in 10 years we will have our army back and maybe some of our kids get a martial trait (or a charismatic to negotiate with them/ wise to give us advice)
Okay, we went against felonsien and donuth without it. But Donuth were already screwed and Felonsien was a deal that we couldn't ignore
lametania was weak without a proper army
But now i think Ceodwell will have free Elephants... that's an almost permanent +1 in rolls while we aren't certain if we will have our thundercats/rifles that time. But a chance that we might get is to use our spymaster to inflict riots, look:
Calahan divorced
Nothing was said about changing heirs. But if this happen we will have another "Segeda" wanting to guarantee the bright future promised to Her kids that vanished in front of her eyes.
He adopted a foreign religion
Fertile land to our spymaster put the seed of conflict where we can do our harvest
Hey, If we do like the Estwalf of tven and send our martial kids to war, our luck bonus can apply to them? IMAGINE A +4 IN A ROLL
Post by: Puppyguard on November 27, 2017, 10:46:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 28, 2017, 12:46:36 am
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It takes a while, and a few hundred casualties, but they eventually listen to your words.
1121 AD, Midsummer
Banditry is on the rise. In the northwest, near the forested areas, many bandit groups prey upon wealthy travelers and hapless villages, only to disappear into the thicket after they're finished with their crimes. As far as rumors go, all these groups are controlled by Othoc, self-proclaimed 'King of Bandits'!
A) We can do naught but ignore this threat, for now.
B) Our Army will deal with them with ease and haste!
C) Time to hire some lvl20+ adventurers for a mission.
Post by: omada on November 28, 2017, 01:22:30 am
B) try our luck with our 2 army (on the rise again, I think, but will take time for them to grow back to what it was, a bad row will probably shout SHIT ON THE TRUCE AND COME ON)
C) try our luck with our 1 wealth (on the rise again, can bring really unpredictable problems to us, winter will certainly require 1 wealth to be spent for food, unless we want to have "hapiness:2" on the scrolls and a riot on our door)
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2017, 01:24:27 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 28, 2017, 01:39:36 am
Lets at least summon the adventurers and hear their terms. We have alot of spare children. Perhaps we can buy their services with a political marriage or two instead of cash. If we don't like what we hear, we can always send in the army. The bandits are not going to be a life or death issue tomorrow, so we have time to explore our options.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 28, 2017, 01:44:23 am
Post by: ZBridges on November 28, 2017, 02:08:22 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 28, 2017, 02:30:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 28, 2017, 02:37:23 am
Post by: helmacon on November 28, 2017, 03:26:38 am
Post by: Imic on November 28, 2017, 05:25:02 am
Post by: omada on November 28, 2017, 06:50:10 am
C
Lets at least summon the adventurers and hear their terms. We have alot of spare children. Perhaps we can buy their services with a political marriage or two instead of cash. If we don't like what we hear, we can always send in the army. The bandits are not going to be a life or death issue tomorrow, so we have time to explore our options.
C - We wont get invaded due to a lack of money. We will get invaded due to a lack of army.
convinced, changed my vote.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 28, 2017, 07:31:59 am
Yup. might as well try it, if it's too much we can try some other route!
Post by: birdy51 on November 28, 2017, 09:33:28 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 28, 2017, 09:35:53 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 28, 2017, 10:00:51 am
Post by: Imic on November 28, 2017, 01:07:35 pm
Ignore my previous vote, C
Post by: Haspen on November 28, 2017, 01:25:53 pm
cccccccc
You decide to hire some adventurers to deal with the 'bandit army' and their so-called 'King'.
1121 AD, Late Summer
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The adventurers get killed. This emboldens the bandits into assaulting a keep at the border, taking it over! This causes local populace to flee and the peoples in nearby cities very loudly and very aggressively turn against your officials, demanding they do something or else!
Your courtiers see this situation as one that needs to be adressed immediately.
A) Hire a more competent group of lvl20+ adventurers, then?
B) Time to get our Army into the field to bring order back to the borderlands!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 28, 2017, 01:26:51 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 28, 2017, 01:27:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 28, 2017, 01:33:51 pm
We loose less on a low roll but on a high roll the result is the same.
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2017, 01:37:02 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 28, 2017, 02:01:10 pm
B
Post by: crazyabe on November 28, 2017, 02:17:58 pm
B
Post by: helmacon on November 28, 2017, 02:30:01 pm
sigh...
Post by: Haspen on November 28, 2017, 02:30:14 pm
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The Army smashes through the bandit hordes like a hot knife through the butter; Othoc and his lieutenants are captured and executed. The bandit army is no more!
1121 AD, Autumn
The harvests this year has been quite plentiful, compared to the previous. Many a governor and priest clamor that festivities should be sponsored, and your courtiers repeat after them for obvious reasons, considering recent difficulties in the kingdom.
A) Sure thing.
B) Nope, sorry.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 28, 2017, 02:34:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2017, 02:35:50 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 28, 2017, 02:46:00 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 28, 2017, 02:46:59 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 28, 2017, 02:51:33 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 28, 2017, 02:52:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 28, 2017, 03:00:56 pm
You order the Army to deal with this 'King of Bandits' and his lackeys.Quote5
The Army smashes through the bandit hordes like a hot knife through the butter; Othoc and his lieutenants are captured and executed. The bandit army is no more!1121 AD, Autumn
The harvests this year has been quite plentiful, compared to the previous. Many a governor and priest clamor that festivities should be sponsored, and your courtiers repeat after them for obvious reasons, considering recent difficulties in the kingdom.
A) Sure thing.
B) Nope, sorry.
Question: Did those adventures the bandits die take payment in advance? If so, B, if not, A.
Post by: helmacon on November 28, 2017, 03:35:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 28, 2017, 04:11:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 28, 2017, 04:25:12 pm
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At first there has been some reports of misconduct and lack of cooperation, but in the end the festivities did happen. Many a weary peasant could get drunk and fed and priests declared whole year an auspicious year. The mood of the populace sure did improve.
1121 AD, Winter
Gemstones and extra silver fill into the Treasury.
1121 AD, Midwinter
An Army garrison is rebelling against your rule! Located at the Castle Atwandych in the south, they flock to the banner of the local noble, Bewulf, asking him to bring them to better glory and restore the glory of Methiant and blah blah blah.
Your courtiers are aghast at this and urge you to take action.
A) Time to kill fire with fire - onwards my soldiers!
B) How about we toss some cash at them?
C) An inspiring letter should provoke a change of heart!
Post by: milo christiansen on November 28, 2017, 04:27:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 28, 2017, 04:28:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2017, 04:28:24 pm
Post by: Imic on November 28, 2017, 04:53:18 pm
C
Post by: Criptfeind on November 28, 2017, 04:54:24 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 28, 2017, 05:08:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 28, 2017, 05:09:21 pm
I think we've written enough letters that actually stopped issues that we deserve a title at this point.
C
If this works, I propose Cyl the Scribe.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 28, 2017, 05:11:02 pm
Post by: omada on November 28, 2017, 05:15:13 pm
CI think we've written enough letters that actually stopped issues that we deserve a title at this point.
C
If this works, I propose Cyl the Scribe.
Sorry, but I can't accept any other tittle that isn't related to oysters
Post by: mightymushroom on November 28, 2017, 05:21:59 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 28, 2017, 05:44:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 28, 2017, 06:29:16 pm
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You get wholesome results out of those letters. Apparently some younger officers decided that you're better person to stick with, and challenged their superiors who sided with the rebel. A fierce fight over the garrison ensued and there has been several hundred casualties, but the loyal youth triumphed in the end, capturing or killing many of important rebel figureheads. THen they surrendered to your arriving officers who treated them properly.
1121, End of the Year
This tumultous year has finally come to an end. You ponder what the numbers will be, while your wife knits some tunics for your little band of princes loitering around. The Advisor arrives, and, after skillfully evading the ever-present babbies, presents you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 3
Population: 8
Economy: 2
Army: 3
You sigh. One day. One day those low numbers will be gone. You swear it on your mum.
1121, Summer
Splendid news has arrived from the east; the prospectors have found ores of iron, copper and zinc in the mountains! While there's no abundance of any of these, mining those metals would still be profitable. Perhaps it has been one of the reasons for Zasitost's existence, although their underground mines are out of your reach of course.
The prospectors and the newly settled populace of course lack funds to begin digging of the mines on their own, and therefore a petition for funds from the Crown has arrived along the report.
A) Of course we will sponsor the mines! Never there has been any gains without prior investment.
B) That sounds lovely but we're currently tight on almost everything, so no sponsorship for you guys.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 28, 2017, 06:30:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 28, 2017, 06:34:03 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 28, 2017, 06:37:28 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 28, 2017, 06:41:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 28, 2017, 06:43:03 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 28, 2017, 07:01:33 pm
Though, this does mean we will need to be cautious with our spending.
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2017, 07:29:56 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 28, 2017, 07:34:25 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 28, 2017, 07:43:18 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 28, 2017, 08:25:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 28, 2017, 08:26:10 pm
Finally starting to stabilize
Post by: omada on November 28, 2017, 09:11:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 03:34:33 am
1122 AD, Midsummer
Another round of riots! This time, or maybe we should say, again, people of cities that once were Felonsine, are rioting for various petty reasons. Several larger and few smaller settlements are affected, and the governors of those cities say they can manage the situation.
A) If they can, I see no reason not to let them try.
B) Nah, I will soothe the peasants with speeches!
C) Our Army should intervene and crush the riots.
Post by: Chevaleresse on November 29, 2017, 03:41:15 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 29, 2017, 03:53:11 am
Speech until Speech no longer works.
Post by: Imic on November 29, 2017, 03:59:25 am
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 07:13:13 am
1122 AD, Late Summer
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Again your propaganda writings managed to calm peoples down.
There are news brought by travelers from further west; the Eldrican is having tough times fighting the Tirines, who apparently managed to hire a horde of nomadic mercenaries. Still, the outcomes of battles are mostly favorable for Elran and his armies.
1122 AD, Autumn
Your son Tywynn caught some fever, but the healers say he got through it with ease and no complications.
1122 AD, Mid-Autumn
The Spymaster bumps into you in one of the corridors during a cold, moonless night.
"Greetings, m'liege." He tips his hat. "I have news of great urgency for you."
"What would that be?"
"I'm sad to report that your younger brother Aethled is conspiring with some noblemen to overthrow you. Apparently the last few years convinced them and your brother that your leadership will bring ruin to Methiant. Moreover, it seems they're having talks with some Alldivine Cloisterlords to provide them with religious mercenaries, in return for some sort of concessions. Perhaps the land you denied the Cloisters a while back." You consider this carefully, your heart deeply saddened.
Is there no end for all this treachery and instability?
As for your brother Aethled and the nobles...
A) Have them executed for treason.
B) Make up some reasons to have at least some of them tried and arrested.
C) Send Aethled a letter, in hopes of reaching some understanding.
D) Gotta wait and see what they come up with.
As for the possible Alldivine treachery...
A) Have their Cloisters 'inspected' by your Army.
B) Send some agents to eliminate the high clergy involved in this affair.
C) Ignore them for now.
//No split votes pls.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 29, 2017, 07:21:23 am
Post by: Iituem on November 29, 2017, 07:30:29 am
Edit: Indeed, a further suggestion. If any of our nobles do get arrested, leave them in the cells for six months to a year and then ransom them their freedom. Should be much more willing to provide a decent sum.
Post by: crazyabe on November 29, 2017, 08:06:31 am
Post by: birdy51 on November 29, 2017, 08:23:14 am
We're doing our damndest here. If it comes down to it though, between us and our brother... I think we may want to surrender. The country cannot fight another civil war, and if people are truly displeased by our leadership, then it is necessary that we capitulate to once more instill some sort of happiness amongst the people.
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 08:32:28 am
The reply comes half a month later; in the letter, your brother speaks of no ill will toward the dynasty and that he would never destabilize the country, but would and will strive to make Methiant the most powerful and stable of countries, with the best of kings on their throne and happiest subjects of them living on the fertile and well-protected lands.
Nowhere in the letter he writes anything about supporting you specifically and goes great lengths to not mention you by name.
A) Clearly he is an extremist that needs to go through an unfortunate accident or two.
B) Clearly I should wait and see if Aethled is a traitor or not.
Post by: birdy51 on November 29, 2017, 08:41:24 am
If you can't live a hero, you can always die a martyr!
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 08:45:05 am
Ah. So Aethled is the demon spawn.
Post by: crazyabe on November 29, 2017, 09:04:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 29, 2017, 09:06:39 am
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 09:43:13 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2017, 10:17:20 am
I'd prefer a happy medium where we invite him to the palace and spend some time with him, let him see first hand how we definitely aren't trying to drive the country into the ground.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 10:28:18 am
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 10:42:04 am
1122 AD, Late Summer
A tragedy struck your family! Your brother Aethled has fell down the stairs during a dark and stormy night. Most unfortunate event of them all.
1122 AD, Winter
There's discontent in your kingdom once again, but this time its a bit different.
Enter Enyntheism, a new cult, or rather, a heresy of Alldivines.
Or Singularism. Or maybe both - its hard to define.
Enyn was a young officer in your Army that was captured during the war with Ceodwells and Gubta, and spent three years in the Gubta borderlands. There he met his wife, taught self a bit of Gubtan language and had some talks with traveling sudi, philosopher-preachers that roam Gubta countryside.
After returning to Methiant last year, he has began rather vigorously preaching a new concept of Singularism; not a physical deity that exists, but a 'concept' of all-encompassing thought, an entity that is here and everywhere. Devotion to the concept allows for higher spiritual fullfilment and understanding of all of existence.
Surprisingly (or perhaps not so much), he has gathered much support from Singularist youths that were unsatisfied with Damed-like monotheism of the their faith, and even some Alldivine acolytes who felt that the purely philosophical approach to spirituality isn't fulfilling enough.
This has stirred up both religious communities and in fact the Alldiviners, of all the peoples, has declared 'Enyntheism' a heresy that much be oppressed and dealt with. Considering the current sour mood that persists amongst populace, its only matter of time for the clash of theologies to go very bad.
A) Lets publicly oppose Enyntheism to show that heretics that destabilize our country have no place in Methiant.
B) Send letter to the leaders of Singularists and Alldiviners, asking them to talk with Enyntheists and find a peaceful solution.
C) Invite this 'Enyn' to the capital, so you can personally see if he is a wise philosopher or maybe a thorn in the side of the Kingdom.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 10:45:05 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 29, 2017, 10:51:45 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2017, 10:52:22 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 10:53:24 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 29, 2017, 11:00:04 am
Post by: crazyabe on November 29, 2017, 11:21:56 am
if nothing else it will put him Well in reach of the spymaster.
Post by: birdy51 on November 29, 2017, 11:28:54 am
Stairs are indeed dangerous you know...
Post by: Baffler on November 29, 2017, 11:33:45 am
Post by: helmacon on November 29, 2017, 11:58:07 am
trying to accommodate religion led to a civil war that completely destroyed us once. We can deal with this early, and maybe regain the faith of the all divines.
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 12:35:17 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 12:45:18 pm
Post by: Imic on November 29, 2017, 12:58:57 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 01:00:28 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 29, 2017, 01:08:16 pm
B
Post by: Draignean on November 29, 2017, 01:09:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 01:11:45 pm
In span of next few days, gemstones and the silver arrives at the capital.
1122 AD, Midwinter
Spymaster reports that the clique of the nobles planning the coup fell apart after death of your brother Aethled; the implosion of the group escalated especially after two of its most vocal members killed each other in a duel over some petty differences.
1122 AD, End of the Year
How did it go this year? Is everything doing fine, or is there still lots of work to do?
Happiness: 3
Population: 8
Economy: 3
Army: 4
Finally, a four!
"King Cyl," begins the Advisor, "our Army is replenishing and so is our Treasury, but peoples are still a bit bitter. Shall we sponsor a year of festivities to lighten their mood?"
A) "Thin years are over, let's party!"
B) "Let's not overspend just yet."
Post by: Weirdsound on November 29, 2017, 01:13:38 pm
Also, good to see our army beginning to claw its way back.
Post by: Imic on November 29, 2017, 01:13:49 pm
We can have a party next year, we need to conserve our money until we actually have some.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 01:14:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 29, 2017, 01:15:07 pm
it's only a matter of time until we fail a riot check, so let's stop having those.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 29, 2017, 01:15:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 01:16:15 pm
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 01:16:44 pm
with luck the profits of the new mine begin to arrive this year.
and i am tired of rebellions, one day we will roll a 1 in these letters
The taxes aren't raised we only receive 2 taxes because it is 8 pop
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2017, 01:20:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 01:21:46 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 29, 2017, 01:22:55 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 29, 2017, 01:24:03 pm
Party hard!
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 01:26:27 pm
1123 AD, Spring
"Hard to find?" The Spymaster nods.
"Indeed. After you've sent the invitation after Alldivines declared him a heretic, Enyn and his closest followers have gone into hiding. My agents have been able to track them down to the small city at border with Lametania, however."
A) "Splendid, bring him up in shackles, nobody denies my invitation!"
B) "Allrighty, maybe he's just afraid. Let's give him some time."
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2017, 01:28:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 29, 2017, 01:34:26 pm
Either he eventually comes to us as a friend, or the Aldivines get rid of him and his martyrdom is not our fault. Either way is a win. Government should not fuck with prophets they want to suppress. Romans tried that once.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 01:38:27 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 01:39:26 pm
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 01:39:40 pm
But we should "accidentally" let the alldivines know where he is.B
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 01:40:47 pm
Post by: Imic on November 29, 2017, 01:48:55 pm
But we should "accidentally" let the alldivines know where he is.B
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 01:52:16 pm
1122 AD, Mid-Spring
Two people want to audience you; the first is a messenger from King Elran III of Eldrican with a trade proposal, and the other is Enyn the Heretic, escorted by four 'trusted colleagues' as he described them to your guards.
A) Let's talk with the elusive heretic first.
B) Let's talk with the envoy of our neighbour first.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 29, 2017, 01:53:06 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 01:53:12 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on November 29, 2017, 01:54:02 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 01:58:03 pm
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 02:01:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 02:01:48 pm
"Greetings, good king Cyl of Methiant!" The man draped in lilac cloak and beret bows deeply to you. "King Elran proposes an establishment of a trade deal. The lovely and luxurious ketton cloth for your peoples in return for Methiantese coin." The trade advisor leans to you and explains that ketton cloth is made from ketton puffplants, which grow only westwards from Rainbow Lizard mountains. Their fibers make a rather soft and insulating cloth that is enjoyed by craftsmen and nobles alike, and its rarity in these parts could afford a nice price for it.
A) Fine, we have the money to support a trade deal of this kind!
B) No deal, sorry.
C) -
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 02:05:04 pm
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 02:07:00 pm
C) -
This always kills me with curiosity, it's for wise trait right?
A we will not put our hands in spices anymore with that Ceodwell-Gutba alliance at least this can give us more coin and maybe hapiness
Post by: crazyabe on November 29, 2017, 02:12:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 29, 2017, 02:18:58 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 29, 2017, 02:22:48 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 03:06:20 pm
Sell it on, get the money back, and maybe more.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 29, 2017, 03:18:28 pm
B Feels risky to me, I'd like a bigger savings account before taking on this kind of thing.
Post by: ZBridges on November 29, 2017, 03:20:17 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 29, 2017, 03:33:23 pm
We desperately need some stability these days.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 29, 2017, 03:43:37 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on November 29, 2017, 04:53:21 pm
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 29, 2017, 04:56:56 pm
Post by: melkor on November 29, 2017, 05:03:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 29, 2017, 07:45:23 pm
Next to enter is Enyn, whose associates left at the doors to the throne room.
You immediately greet him and ask about his delay.
"Call my humble self paranoid, my liege, but after being declared a heretic by Alldivines, receiving your sudden invitation seemed suspicious to me so I felt that hiding for a while would be a good idea."
You then take him to the private chamber and you two sit down.
"Is this a Gubta faith?" You ask Enyn.
"Nay, sire. I was raised a Singularist but read some Alldivine scriptures, and then I had to speak with the Gubta philosophers too. From collaboration of these three, I have concluded that there is no physical gods but a greater entity that is in all things and simply is worshipped by all under various names and faces."
Interview time! Compose your question and post it; the question with most +1s will be answered in the next update.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 29, 2017, 07:48:19 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 29, 2017, 07:49:10 pm
Ok, not really, but I love to imagine his expression...
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.
Sounds good.
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2017, 08:19:48 pm
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.+1 Might as well get the big questions of the "Are you going to cause me/the Kingdom trouble" variety over with first.
Post by: helmacon on November 29, 2017, 08:20:07 pm
Post by: omada on November 29, 2017, 08:42:29 pm
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.+1
"So you think that the statement 'all religions are one, and all should work together, dogmas are only for personal use unless it hurt unwilling persons' is true? Are you inclined to travel/study a bit and increase your argumentation skills?"
"What could be the visions of gods that priests see? Personifications of concepts?"
I was about to say "NO QUESTION KILL HIM"
But criptfiend questions made me wonder if this religion for once could be USEFUL for us, and maybe back up them could be okay
We will need something like this just in case we wage war with damdamians, so our culture can infect them and remove their fanatism
I was liking alldivines for being open minded, but they were just stepping in our toes right now, first backing up our brother, then rising trouble against another religion
What happened to that singularism 2.0 that were lovely till they get mad and begun a civil war in Tven from spamkingdom2?
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 30, 2017, 12:39:54 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 30, 2017, 01:00:45 am
Post by: Imic on November 30, 2017, 02:51:34 am
Ask him if this entity is called "Haspen".+1
Post by: Weirdsound on November 30, 2017, 03:23:23 am
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.
+1
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 04:18:27 am
You ask him whether this entity might be called Haspen. Enyn looks extermely puzzled.
"I don't think it has, or needs, a name. So it has none as far as I'm concerned."
You decide to...
A) Ask another question.
B) Pass your judgment on his heresy.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 30, 2017, 05:19:48 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2017, 05:38:15 am
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.
This one has five or six people behind it now.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 30, 2017, 05:51:55 am
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.
This one has five or six people behind it now.
He said one question, that is 4?
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 06:27:08 am
Ask about the planned relationship between this religious and secular authority. If and how it plans to evangelize. What it thinks about other religions. What it's adherents duties are in this life.
This one has five or six people behind it now.
I see four questions not one ;v
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2017, 06:53:59 am
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 07:10:42 am
Enyn thinks only a moment about it.
"It is matter of religion thus I don't see a reason to meddle with politics, but I will probably have to one day to gain further support. As for other religions, I'm fine with peaceful coexistence, but it seem others aren't as inclined."
You decide to...
A) Ask another question.
B) Pass your judgment.
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 30, 2017, 07:25:45 am
I see four questions not one ;v
... why does that matter? Is there some kind of reason why we should only ask one question at a time? It seems like it'd be more expedient to just ask them as a block if nobody seriously dissents to them.
In any case, what are the duties of an adherent in life?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 07:33:19 am
In any case, what are the duties of an adherent in life?
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 08:03:24 am
I thought you'd appreciate going a little bit faster then "tortuously slow" and could take each question one after the next.
Post by: Imic on November 30, 2017, 08:12:06 am
I thought you'd appreciate going a little bit faster then "tortuously slow" and could take each question one after the next.
I see four questions not one ;v
... why does that matter? Is there some kind of reason why we should only ask one question at a time? It seems like it'd be more expedient to just ask them as a block if nobody seriously dissents to them.
In any case, what are the duties of an adherent in life?
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 30, 2017, 09:18:28 am
Ask: "If all the various gods and spirits venerated around the world are but aspects and guises of this one entity, why not go on worshipping it as those so the churches stop trying to kill you?"
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 09:35:39 am
Ask: "If all the various gods and spirits venerated around the world are but aspects and guises of this one entity, why not go on worshipping it as those so the churches stop trying to kill you?"
Yeah, we only care about the stability if the realm, not the actual religion.
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 09:36:11 am
You ask what adherents should do in their lives.
"It is very simple. To seek knwoledge and spiritual enlightment. Once enlightment is attained, one will have answers to every question and thus will be able to solve all problems. How to attain enlightment, would one ask. If needed, by meditation or rites, association or isolation. Everyone is different, and thus needs different amount of time and different conditions to find enlightment. Months, years, decades of time. The most faithful will abandon their prior lives and fully dedicate themselves to the pursuit of enlightment, but it is something that cannot and should not be enforced."
You decide to...
A) Ask another question.
B) Pass your judgement.
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 30, 2017, 09:37:10 am
Ask: "If all the various gods and spirits venerated around the world are but aspects and guises of this one entity, why not go on worshipping it as those so the churches stop trying to kill you?"
+1
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 09:37:47 am
Ask: "If all the various gods and spirits venerated around the world are but aspects and guises of this one entity, why not go on worshipping it as those so the churches stop trying to kill you?"
+2
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 09:50:31 am
"Because they wish to wage war over their beliefs. They want to prove superiority of their concepts and their visions of what divine should be. If they instead accept our belief, all peoples will be united under one ideology, and there will be no hate and war and casualties over spiritual matters!"
You decide to...
A) Ask him yet another question.
B) Pass judgement on his sect.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 09:52:37 am
Post by: omada on November 30, 2017, 10:03:40 am
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 10:39:43 am
[He has already made his case clear that he doesn't plan to cause trouble with us. The others better learn to play nice if we say he is fine otherwise they'll end up the way of Aethlad. Because we don't much like our subjects defying our decisions and the Alldivines are already on thin ice.]
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 10:56:50 am
It was this era of strife and instability that religion became once more dominant, and the recent arrival of Path of Alldivine warrior-priests shook the traditional faiths. A notion started by a ex-soldier turned philosopher, the Alldivines saw all various deities of various pantheons as 'concepts' that were divine and worthy of praise no matter their origin, . . .So far it sounds like Alldivinism version
"Pardon my abstruseness, but I'm having a hard time understanding just how all this is different from Alldivine philosophy. Why are they so upset with you?"
Post by: birdy51 on November 30, 2017, 11:06:28 am
Post by: melkor on November 30, 2017, 11:09:09 am
From back when:+1It was this era of strife and instability that religion became once more dominant, and the recent arrival of Path of Alldivine warrior-priests shook the traditional faiths. A notion started by a ex-soldier turned philosopher, the Alldivines saw all various deities of various pantheons as 'concepts' that were divine and worthy of praise no matter their origin, . . .So far it sounds like Alldivinism version2.01.5 – even down to the ex-soldier turned philosopher.
"Pardon my abstruseness, but I'm having a hard time understanding just how all this is different from Alldivine philosophy. Why are they so upset with you?"
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 30, 2017, 11:21:41 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 30, 2017, 11:39:25 am
You know, we recently have had some potential trouble with the Alldivine Cloisters. What stops us from just handing them over to them, so we can stop worrying about them for a while?
If this guy gets Martyrd, It could make is faithful even more powerful. If he has to die, I'd rather us have nothing to do with it at all.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 11:53:36 am
You know, we recently have had some potential trouble with the Alldivine Cloisters. What stops us from just handing them over to them, so we can stop worrying about them for a while?
What stops the Alldivines from thinking they can get whatever they want when they threaten us? This guy at least doesn't seem to be so martially inclined. If he splits off some of their adherents he weakens the power of the Cloisters. Thus my asking for clarification on their actual dispute. Is it something we can use, either by mending or by wedging?
Edit:
"What are your views on magic, supernatural things, and fanciful beings?" [Don't want another Damed after all.]+1 also useful to find out.
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 11:58:23 am
"It is because I threaten a core tenet of their faith; development of body and honing martial skills being a requirement for spiritual advancement. It is one of their seven sacred laws. For us to promote spiritual advancement without equal devotion to one's body and combat skills is heretical to them."
You decide to...
A) Ask another question.
B) Pass your judgement.
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 12:12:38 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 30, 2017, 12:17:20 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 30, 2017, 12:17:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 12:37:33 pm
"What are your views on magic, supernatural things, and fanciful beings?" [Don't want another Damed after all.]
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2017, 12:39:53 pm
"What are your views on magic, supernatural things, and fanciful beings?" [Don't want another Damed after all.]
Ill back this.
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 12:47:48 pm
"I can't really find an answer for this."
"How so?" The heretic shrugs.
"We don't deal with supernatural and fanciful. I'm sure they have their place in the land and in the grand scheme of the world, though."
You decide to...
A) Continue!
B) Judge!
Post by: crazyabe on November 30, 2017, 12:54:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 01:13:06 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 30, 2017, 01:19:45 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 30, 2017, 02:42:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 02:48:43 pm
A) His faith is danger to all of Methiant, and shall be not tolerated!
B) His faith might cause conflicts, even if its harmless now. It will not be endorsed by the Crown.
C) His faith is just like many others, and should be added to the already wide roster of regional faiths.
D) His faith has intrigued me. Mayhaps I should pursue its tenets personally?
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 02:56:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 30, 2017, 02:57:43 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 30, 2017, 02:57:58 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 02:59:48 pm
Ah, screw it, C seems good.
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 03:09:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 03:11:47 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on November 30, 2017, 03:12:51 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 03:14:48 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 30, 2017, 03:18:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 03:19:23 pm
D just to cheese off the Alldivines. It's tolerant but also doesn't require us to fight people to show our devotion!
But it almost certainly will require us to fight the Alldivines, who train themselves for battle and are spread in numerous locations about our country (and possibly others nearby. With all the rioting and rebellion lately I don't think it's a good plan to add yet another Cause to be used against the crown.
Post by: omada on November 30, 2017, 03:23:05 pm
I don't know what to vote, i will pass
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 03:27:09 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 03:28:43 pm
*glances at Esta sitting demurely in her comfortable chair, knitting a sweater for your third son*
"... No, that about covers it, doesn't it, Honeybuns?"
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 03:30:05 pm
Post by: omada on November 30, 2017, 03:31:22 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2017, 03:33:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 30, 2017, 03:33:47 pm
Post by: melkor on November 30, 2017, 03:38:31 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 30, 2017, 03:47:36 pm
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Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 05:12:33 pm
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You tell him that his religion is welcome to spread in Methiant as long as he does not cause trouble. He thanks you profusely and leaves to tell his associates that new era of spiritual advancement is upon them.
1122 AD, Summer
The ketton cloth caravan is at the capital! Your traders exchange the cloth for money, and then strike up some deals with local populace and the nobility.
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They manage to earn some profits but only to pay off the purchase price.
Few days later you receive some alarming news from the southwest; a group of Enyntheist followers was lynched by an angry mob that shouted things like 'spies of the Gubta!' 'enemies of true faith!' 'heretics must die!' and so on. According to the guards that saved the Enyntheists from sure death, some Singularist worshippers were amongst the lynch mob but the local temple denies any accusations.
A) Truly, the Enyntheists were stirring trouble. Time to punish them!
B) Barely we passed official recognition and Singularists are stirring trouble. Time to punish them instead!
C) It seems we need to foster interfaith dialogue. Host a council, or something like that!
D) It's not my thing. If I were to intervene, people would claim its favoritism!
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 05:19:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 30, 2017, 05:26:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 05:29:14 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 05:31:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2017, 05:32:15 pm
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Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 06:03:17 pm
1122 AD, Midsummer
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Apparently, your letter to the Singularists gained some attention and became public knowledge. The way the courtiers at the palace talk about it, the Pantheonists and the Alldivines got a little bit upset that you direct your attention only to the new faith and its heretical offshoot, and demand to be included in the talks.
Along with the Advisor, you ponder about planning an ecumenical council where the faiths could discuss their differences, compare and develop interfaith dialogue, and more.
A) No, I'm working with two cults here, I don't need interference.
B) Sure, let's invite them too, I hope I can handle them all.
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 06:04:22 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 06:04:42 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 30, 2017, 06:06:56 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on November 30, 2017, 06:07:56 pm
That would be an ecumenical matter!
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 06:09:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 06:20:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2017, 06:22:36 pm
As for the matter of attendees...
A) The big dogs - Pantheonism, Alldivines and Singularism - will be invited, along with the newest heresy of Enyntheism.
B) All cults are welcome; even miniscule sects like Dahnian Pantheonism and foreign cults like Cult of Damed.
As for the place of the council...
A) It will be at my palace, to show everyone who is the boss!
B) It will be at the city of Luathbas, the largest of cities in Methiant.
As for Crown representation...
A) I will work as a host and the leader of the council!
B) I shall attend personally, as a simple observer.
C) I shall send one of my courtiers to represent the Crown.
D) I will let the attendees work it out by themselves.
//No split votes pls.
Post by: milo christiansen on November 30, 2017, 06:24:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 30, 2017, 06:33:57 pm
B
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Post by: vastaghen12 on November 30, 2017, 06:38:52 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 30, 2017, 06:44:11 pm
Post by: crazyabe on November 30, 2017, 06:52:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 30, 2017, 07:26:08 pm
If we pull the little cults with us it will just dissolve into useless arguments as they have vastly differing philosophies and no real leverage. They would literally just be there to make noise.
Post by: Puppyguard on November 30, 2017, 07:31:42 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on November 30, 2017, 09:55:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 01, 2017, 04:29:07 am
You decide to host the council in the city of Luathbas, inviting the three major religions of Methiant - Pantheonism, Singularism and Alldivinism - along with the heretics of Enyntheism whose rapidly growing influence has caused some friction.
And you will take the issues into your hands personally. One can hope your mediocre charisma gets supplanted by your luck!
The date of council is set for Spring 1124 AD.
1123 AD, Autumn
Grave news come from the west! Your neighbour and father-in-law, Elran III, has been greviously wounded during a battle that was going to crush Tirine's war effort. According to rumors, his healers aren't optimistic about his chances.
Few days later, you stare at your wife who is pacing around your study, clearly worried.
"Can't we do anything about the war between my father and those scummy Tirines, my beloved? I'm worried for my father and I'm doubly worried for his kingdom." You scratch your cheek sheepishly, thinking of an answer...
A) "I could send some supplies and money to help your father's forces in the war."
B) "Well, I could send some soldiers, but I've gotta say I expect to be paid for their services."
C) "I love you deeply, and I respect your father, but that is a war between Eldricans and Tirines. I can't get involved."
D) "Fine, if it will please you, my dearest, I shall send some soldiers westwards so they can help your father in his campaign."
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 01, 2017, 04:34:52 am
Post by: Imic on December 01, 2017, 04:35:47 am
We are bound to help them via marriage ties, and if we don't, it's kinda scummy.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 01, 2017, 07:44:18 am
We're only bound to help if he asks for it. And from what we've been able to figure out, he doesn't want our help. Which is a great excuse to avoid helping considering we have a prophecy that implies helping him would screw us. If he does actually ask for help, then we'd be duty bound to provide it. But until then, nupe.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 01, 2017, 10:23:12 am
(But no soldiers, that's only asking for bad things to follow. Whether we believe the bird or not, we wouldn't want to involve the army on what looks like the losing side of the war. But keep those doubts private from Esta.)
Post by: crazyabe on December 01, 2017, 10:52:57 am
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 10:54:06 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 01, 2017, 11:02:02 am
Post by: Haspen on December 01, 2017, 11:09:26 am
1123 AD, Winter
A letter from Elran III himself has arrived! In the message he thanks you for your supplies, and asks for prayers so that his renewed counter-offensive against Tirine Kingdom succeeds.
Few days later, the silver, gemstones and various metals arrive at the palace.
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You obtain many profits from selling of the metals, as the local workshops and merchants were low on supply.
The next day brings the alchemists to you for an audience.
"My liege, the lack of funding to procure Fireblood ingredients is hurting our work. Can we ask you to provide us with greater annual funding?"
A) "Sure thing, I can be generous!"
B) "No, work with what you have!"
Post by: birdy51 on December 01, 2017, 11:12:15 am
Saying this, just in case.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 11:14:22 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 01, 2017, 11:15:55 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 01, 2017, 11:44:05 am
We're doing okay.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 01, 2017, 11:46:12 am
Post by: Haspen on December 01, 2017, 11:47:21 am
1123 AD, End of the Year
Whilst preparing a set of fancy robes for the upcoming council, you're interrupted by the Advisor who brings Scrolls of Kingdom Status for you.
Happiness: 4
Population: 8
Economy: 4
Army: 5
Your lower lip wobbles momentarily from emotions. It's been a *while*. The Advisor coughs to gain your attention.
"Shall I offer that we extend the festivities' period for another year, my liege?"
A) "Naw, they had their fun."
B) "Parties for everyone!!"
Post by: Weirdsound on December 01, 2017, 11:52:15 am
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 11:53:43 am
Post by: omada on December 01, 2017, 11:54:47 am
B let's just have a bit of "extra lifes" for when something strikes our hapiness, the only reasons we got a bit of rebellions before was courtiers angry, with low hapiness we got revolts after revolts.
Post by: birdy51 on December 01, 2017, 12:27:22 pm
Think of it as an insurance against the religious summit going south.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 01, 2017, 12:29:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 01, 2017, 12:43:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 01, 2017, 01:06:06 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 01, 2017, 01:12:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 01, 2017, 01:17:02 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 01, 2017, 01:34:35 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 01, 2017, 04:02:43 pm
We might need the happiness if it takes a hit in the big meeting.
Post by: Haspen on December 01, 2017, 04:40:49 pm
1124 AD, Spring
Theological Council of Luathbas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdn5LqsUp0)
Many representatives of the Pantheonist, Singularist and Alldivinist clergy have met at the Keep of Luathbas. The renovated and still regrowing city is easily visibly from the windows behind the seventy men of various faiths seated at the tables. Amongst them, are theologicians, lawmakers, loremasters, philosophers and high clerics of the faiths.
You are seated at a special table between all others. Singularists on the right, Alldivinists on the left, Pantheonists in the front, while Enyn the Heretic and his five colleagues are squished between the Pantheon and Singularist sections.
As the host and leader of the Council, you decide that first topic of the debate will be...
A) Philosophical debate between Theists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism) (Singularism, Pantheonism) and Ietsists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ietsism) (Alldivinism, Enyntheism).
B) Reconcilliation of Enyntheist Heresy with the Alldivine Faith.
C) Discussion about possible threat of Damedian zealotry of the Holy Damdamian Empire.
D) Political debate about merits of religious equality vs state religion in Methiant.
E) Royal Audiences for Singularists, Alldivinists and Pantheonists.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 01, 2017, 04:45:16 pm
This is what it's all about. Once this is solved the others can be had, so long as we establish from the start the requirements for the safety of the kingdom.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 04:46:32 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 01, 2017, 04:46:58 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 01, 2017, 04:53:15 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 01, 2017, 04:56:09 pm
Once this is established we can debate with less risk of confrontation.
D first.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 01, 2017, 05:09:01 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 05:11:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 01, 2017, 07:16:00 pm
C sounds like easy common ground, but they may think we're wasting time being obvious.
D either works like we want or the churches will be united – against Cyl the Godless.
E establishes our authority over the kingdom plus mollifies anybody who heard of our chat with Enyn.
I feel E sets a good tone and just maybe boosts our diplomacy. Not that I'm against the D votes: it's what we came for, may as well give it a go.
Post by: Haspen on December 01, 2017, 07:21:22 pm
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The philosophers and clergy discuss the matter of state religion for Methiant. Various censuses are compared, political and religious thoughts exchanged. Neither faith is able to gain upper hand as to why they should be *the* faith of Methiant. Because people enjoy their religious freedoms and various cults are intertwined within the kingdom, thus suddenly declaring superiority of one faith above others will cause riots.
In the end, the wise heads of the religions in power is that Methiant shouldn't define a state religion for itself.
After a day of rest, the Council convenes again. After all representatives return from
A) Philosophical debate between Theists (Singularism, Pantheonism) and Ietsists (Alldivinism, Enyntheism).
B) Royal Audiences for Singularists, Alldivinists and Pantheonists.
C) Reconcilliation of Enyntheist Heresy with the Alldivine Faith.
D) Discussion about possible threat of Damedian zealotry of the Holy Damdamian Empire.
Otherwise, you can declare that...
E) All important topics have been discussed and thus the Council has come to its end.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 01, 2017, 07:22:50 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 01, 2017, 07:28:47 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 01, 2017, 07:31:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 01, 2017, 07:46:20 pm
I think we've solved the big issue tbh. Now that they all agree to not pressure us specifically to do things or prevent others from doing things, they should be forced to be much more amicable. That said. I'm not sure we should force them into a confrontation over their faith quite yet. Not until we've forged them into at least a group willing to fight outsiders before each other.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 01, 2017, 08:02:04 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 01, 2017, 08:28:37 pm
I think we've solved the big issue tbh. Now that they all agree to not pressure us specifically to do things or prevent others from doing things, they should be forced to be much more amicable. That said. I'm not sure we should force them into a confrontation over their faith quite yet. Not until we've forged them into at least a group willing to fight outsiders before each other.
Fair enough, make mine D in that case.
Post by: Prophet on December 01, 2017, 08:29:34 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 01, 2017, 09:23:50 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 01, 2017, 09:32:13 pm
At this point it has been established and agreed that the King isn't responsible for your religion. They can't justify running to us to tattle on the other faiths and ask us to suppress anyone and then get mad at us when we don't anymore. You got a problem with another faith? Thats Your problem. This will take quite a load off of us for a while now.
Anyways, I abstain.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 01, 2017, 09:44:30 pm
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Post by: Puppyguard on December 01, 2017, 11:53:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 02, 2017, 12:36:00 am
Post by: omada on December 02, 2017, 04:39:14 am
Post by: Imic on December 02, 2017, 04:51:08 am
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Post by: melkor on December 02, 2017, 05:16:23 am
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 05:31:31 am
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Unfortunately, this topic doesn't go as smoothly. United neither in beliefs nor philosophy, the various congregations bring the Council to flames! Conversational flames, of course.
Singularists are the loudest in this debate as they have, after all, roots from the old canon of this faith, way back in times of Luathbas. The debate at points devolves into a war between polytheism and monotheism, and even Enyntheists take few snips at the Pantheonists.
They seem unable to reach compromise or agreement on this...
A) Time for me to intervene!
B) I don't think I should meddle.
Post by: Tiruin on December 02, 2017, 05:39:22 am
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Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 09:22:02 am
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Alas, you're not a charismatic man and had bad luck of angering one of high clerics of Pantheonism. Ultimately, the cults weren't able to find any agreement about what to do with potential threat from Cult of Damed, nor do they believe it is any threat to them in the first place.
The next day, the council resumes its proceedings. Your frustation with yesterday's failure was mulled slightly with wine and good sleep, but now it's time to decide on the next topic of the Council. That topic shall be...
A) Royal Audiences for Singularists, Alldivinists and Pantheonists.
B) Philosophical debate between Theists (Singularism, Pantheonism) and Ietsists (Alldivinism, Enyntheism).
C) Reconcilliation of Enyntheist Heresy with the Alldivine Faith.
Otherwise, you can declare that...
D) All important topics have been covered, and thus the Council has come to its end.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 02, 2017, 09:31:28 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on December 02, 2017, 10:01:47 am
Bad luck.
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5-1-1 due to No Religious Unity and Monotheist GroupsLack of understanding which factors in the debate get rolled upon. Even Luck activation couldn't salvage much there or in the personal intervention. We might have done better if we tackled local matters first.
Speaking of which, I still think A would secure good will. (Like learning enough personal stuff to not insult a major religious leader?) But I don't know what benefits might accrue from the remaining agenda to be worth the extra step. I feel like we missed a bonus in an upcoming war; I also feel like preserving religious freedom is worth the loss.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 02, 2017, 10:10:24 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 02, 2017, 10:53:00 am
Post by: Baffler on December 02, 2017, 11:13:34 am
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 11:37:10 am
It's a tieeeee ;v
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2017, 12:28:04 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 02, 2017, 12:52:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 02, 2017, 12:54:29 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 02, 2017, 12:56:54 pm
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Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 02:00:51 pm
Singularists have nothing they could've asked for.
Alldivines do have a request.
"One of our Cloisters have recently experienced a blaze, which consumed many lives, destroyed many buildings and devoured hundreds of priceless scrolls and scriptures. Can we count on the generosity of the Crown to help us bring the damaged Cloister back to its former glory?"
A) "No."
B) "Sure, you shall receive a donation."
C) "I will devote this year's taxes to refurbish and rebuild the Cloister you speak of!"
Post by: milo christiansen on December 02, 2017, 02:03:13 pm
A, but we could change our mind if you made up your differences with the "heretics".
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2017, 02:05:29 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 02, 2017, 02:11:29 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 02, 2017, 02:27:24 pm
That's the kind of thing we should be doing anyway.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 02, 2017, 02:37:16 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 02, 2017, 02:47:09 pm
They may think of this as... A bribe. ^.^
Post by: mightymushroom on December 02, 2017, 03:36:33 pm
Let them think of this as . . . a reprimand.
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 04:16:51 pm
The Pantheonists also have a request.
"A certain Felonsine noble has promised to sponsor construction of new temples of our cult in that region if we borrow him money for a while. But shortly before the loan was paid, said noble died of illness and his son took over, and has refused to return the money. We've of course asked the courts to help mediate the issue, but it seems the noble's son has some friends there. Can you intervene on our behalf, good King Cyl?"
A) "No."
B) "I will write a letter to the boy, a King's order if you will."
C) "If it's money it's all about, they I will give you some if you give up on this little deal you had with the boy's father."
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 02, 2017, 04:19:34 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 02, 2017, 04:20:00 pm
We are the great wizard Cyl of Many Letters!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 02, 2017, 04:21:50 pm
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Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2017, 04:32:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 04:39:49 pm
Next day, you send a messenger to the palace while a courier is sent with a royal letter to the young nobleman. Still, the Council reconvenes. After all are seated at their tables once again, you decide that the next topic of discussion will be...
A) Philosophical debate between Theists (Singularism, Pantheonism) and Ietsists (Alldivinism, Enyntheism).
B) Reconcilliation of Enyntheist Heresy with the Alldivine Faith.
But if you want, you can instead say that...
C) All important topics have been covered, and thus the Council has come to its end.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 02, 2017, 04:43:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 02, 2017, 04:44:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 02, 2017, 04:47:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 04:55:35 pm
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While the faiths remain apart, they manage to find a common ground of sorts. The fact that you talked with Enyn and decided against putting his cult upon any sort of black list probably helped the Alldivine hardline approach melt slightly.
After two days of debates, during which the Singularists also chime in with few remarks, the Alldivine clergy relents and finally accepts Enyntheism as a fellow cult rather than a rebellious heresy of their own. Phew!
At the start of the ten-day period of the month, the Council again meets, the wise scholars and young progressives seated amongst themselves. Your role as a host will soon be over, because there's only one topic left:
A) Philosophical debate between Theists (Singularism, Pantheonism) and Ietsists (Alldivinism, Enyntheism).
No one will of course protest if you decide that...
B) The Council shall end as all interesting topics have been covered.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 02, 2017, 04:59:24 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on December 02, 2017, 05:01:07 pm
B.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 02, 2017, 05:01:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 02, 2017, 05:03:39 pm
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Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 05:40:15 pm
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Your concerns were well founded! Everything hase devolved into a huge argument after less than an hour; the mythology of Pantheon cannot be harmonized with the philosophical approach of Alldivinism, and the mono- and poly-theist nuances are too far apart for Singularists and Pantheonists to find some common ground. The discussion about divinity of entities and existences of divinities almost ends in a shouting contest.
Soon, the divide between theistic and ietsist religions grows, and you feel an intervention is needed.
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You are able to calm down the arguing priests a little bit, although you can swear you heard some priests in the back say things like 'why does the King talk about what he does not understand?'.
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Alas, the calm didn't help that much. At least they decided to lower their voices. The debates continued well into the next day when everyone felt too tired to continue. No unity has been found between the two opposing camps of theological thought, although many of the delegates continue to discuss the topics with their colleagues as everyone packs up and prepares for their journeys back to their congregations.
You, too, need to return to the palace. While you succeeded in ensuring that Enyntheism will be treated well, you feel that overall the Council was a minor failure. Maybe next time (if there will be one), someone wiser or more charismatic is ought to lead the proceedings?
1124 AD, Summer
Your wife gives birth to a child! Whilst unplanned, the young boy she names 'Iwald' is welcomed into family with great joy.
Few days later, the ketton cloth merchants arrive.
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Your representatives are able to score profit on the cloth! Either the demand grew or the people are more willing to try new things.
Craftsmen and noblemen alike praise the high quality of the cloth, and part of the praise goes to you and your court for securing this trade deal.
1124 AD, Autumn
Disaster at the silver mines!
The miners, in search for new pockets of ore to keep the output at maximum, has had the unfortunate distinction of hitting an underground river. Several miners drowned and numerous tunnels have been flooded with water. The overseer of the mines asks in his report for money so that he can quicken the restoration of the mines.
A) But of course, those mines are of utmost priority for our economy!
B) Unfortunately I've spent money this year; he needs to do with what he has.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 02, 2017, 05:41:52 pm
Also, I knew we should not have allowed that debate, but of course no one can let sleeping dogs lie.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 02, 2017, 05:49:39 pm
Anyway, A! Cloth windfalls ought to be taken advantage of.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 02, 2017, 06:20:45 pm
Oh, and A.
Post by: ZBridges on December 02, 2017, 06:25:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 02, 2017, 06:27:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 02, 2017, 06:33:14 pm
1124 AD, Mid-Autumn
Your letter to the nobleman's son did help; the priests report that the youth returned the money and apologized for his behavior, and the cult has decided to forgive him and even give him a blessing.
1124 AD, Winter
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Unfortunately, the overseer of the mines didn't manage to get them drained and thus no silver ore was sent to the Treasury this year.
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For another year, the metals mined in the east were sold for much higher profit than expected.
Gemstones arrive as well, adding to more wealth to your Treasury.
1124 AD, Midwinter
You receive a report from scholars who were once told to study the old tomb found near the mines. They've opened it and catalogued all that was inside; rotten cloth, old skeletons and silver jewelry. They've positively identified the tomb as the Lost Tomb of Augavath, a king of this region from the 6th century; while all his predecessors and successors' tombs were found and plundered shortly after fall of the dynasty, Augavath's tomb wasn't found. Until now.
The scholars thank you for this once-per-lifetime opportunity, although you get nothing else out of it. Oh well.
1124 AD, End of the Year
End of the year, and thus Advisor pops in your chamber with Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 3
Army: 6
Dat 3.
"Shall we raise tha tax to replenish our Treasury a bit?" You decide to...
A) Raise the taxes for a year.
B) Don't raise taxes.
Post by: melkor on December 02, 2017, 06:35:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2017, 06:55:55 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 02, 2017, 07:02:45 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 02, 2017, 07:06:19 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 02, 2017, 07:44:53 pm
Wew. What a wild ride it's been.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 02, 2017, 07:45:39 pm
B.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 02, 2017, 07:48:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 02, 2017, 07:50:07 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 02, 2017, 07:56:12 pm
No parties though. We had enough drinking with the priests to last us a year.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 02, 2017, 11:09:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 05:57:02 am
1125 AD, Spring
The guards, nay, the whole of courtyard is in state of awe, terror and surprise, because elves has come!
Your courtiers do not believe the guard who brought the message, until six slender figures with bright hair, flowing white robes and pointy ears step through the gates. Only the elf at the front comes empty handed; the rest has small gilded boxes in their hands.
The elf pulls out a small scepter with a blue gemstone on top from within his robe and points it at you.
A) Assassin! It's a magic weapon! Get him guards!
B) Surely must be some sort of greeting gesture.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 03, 2017, 06:00:02 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 06:04:18 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 06:06:45 am
Gonna veer toward them being on the level since we did murder a ton of dwarves fairly recently. Elves love that shit, you know.
Post by: birdy51 on December 03, 2017, 06:37:06 am
I mean, he's still here to kill us, but whatevs.
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 07:01:22 am
"Greetings, human monarch. I, Tesofili, speak with authority of Queen Estomelolilelo. The news of the destruction of the dwarven fortress of Thrice-Gilded has reached our ears, and we're most grateful that expansion of dwarf has been slowed. You didn't only stop expansion, you also destroyed one of their fabled wall cities, something none of you humans did for centuries."
The elves behind him move to the front and place five chests on the stone floor. First chest is opened and contains tightly packed cloaks made of dark green fiber.
"Thes are moonthread cloaks, fifty of them to be exact. They allow the wearer to become almost invisible amongst trees or in darkness." When did the Spymaster approach your throne? You didn't call him, but look at him, all happy. Strange guy.
The second chest is opened, and it contains a beige nut or seed as large as a fist of a child.
"This is the seed of the Leloli tree. If you plant it in your courtyard, and allow it to grow, the tree will protect the dwellers of this keep from illness and terrible wounds."
The third chest is opened, and it contains a simple, bright green tunic, criss-crossed with silvery thread.
"This is the tunic strengthened with lakemetal threads. Naught but strongest of blows can penetrate the cloth stitched this way, and dwarven magickery is all but repelled by it."
The fourth chest is opened, and it contains a cage with large lizard with triangular jaws and fur, of a lovely steely-blueish coloration.
"This is a Se'gal, a pet that is as vicious as it is loyal, fast and smart. We use them for hunting prey amongst the woods, or as pets, and there has been instances of them mauling down assassins during their owner's sleep."
The fifth chest is opened, and it contains, unsurprisingly, a large pile of various gemstones, mostly of opaque and semi-ornamental type, although Treasurer has hurried to your side to inform you that he spies some emeralds and peridots amongst the pile.
"Gemstones, all of them valuable and beautiful."
Tesofili clasps his hands together.
"You have done two good deeds, and therefore Queen Estomelolilelo wishes to grant you two rewards. Tell us, King, what is of interest for you."
As for the first reward...
A) Fifty Moonthread cloaks.
B) Seed of Leloli tree.
C) Lakemetal Thread tunic.
D) Se'gal fur-lizard.
E) Lovely gemstones.
As for the second reward...
A) Fifty Moonthread cloaks.
B) Seed of Leloli tree.
C) Lakemetal Thread tunic.
D) Se'gal fur-lizard.
E) Lovely gemstones.
//In this particular voting please remember you cannot pick the same choice twice.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 07:05:06 am
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 07:38:58 am
C. The tree's nice, but we already have the sorceress blessing.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 07:41:38 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 07:44:12 am
B) sounds like it overlaps with
C) would make it more viable to lead troops ourselves without worrying about fatality. I wonder if the curse protection is personal or extends in a range.
D) useful, but what is it's lifespan? (= Cyl's if I had a pure guess. "Loyal.") There's only one. (Makes me worried that something is planned . . .)
E) money, money, money
I pick A and C . . . no, B . . . no, C . . . ah! . . . B
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 07:46:02 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 07:47:36 am
I was leaning toward the lizard too, but I have no idea how long it's going to live whereas the tree could presumably last a century or more.Trees, especially magical elven trees, should last for multiple centuries if not millennia.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 07:51:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 07:54:17 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2017, 07:56:03 am
A and C
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 07:58:06 am
Post by: birdy51 on December 03, 2017, 09:50:33 am
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 10:05:57 am
This Lakemetal Tunic feels cozy, and if this thread is indeed metal, it must be magic, because it is as soft as fur.
The elves thank you once more and then leave. Later you learn that after they disappeared into the Royal Forest, nobody saw them again, and the search in the forest gave up nothing. Huh.
1125 AD, Summer
You receive a report from the silver mines; they have been drained out, the flooding compartment was sealed and miners begun digging in opposite direction from the river site.
1125 AD, Midsummer
You hear that Calahan III is in deep trouble; someone from other side of his family tree, a staunch 'westerner', called Ansbach, has gathered support of Ceodwell nobles, bought some mercenary troops, and waged a war to topple Calahan III and take his place upon the throne of
Once you speak with the Advisor and the Spymaster you decide to...
A) Ignore this Ceodwellian uprising thing.
B) Send a letter to Calahan, offering your Army's services (for proper pay, of course)
C) Arrange some money and supplies to be sent to this Ansbach rebel.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2017, 10:29:32 am
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 10:47:58 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 10:52:33 am
A
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 03, 2017, 10:55:24 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 10:59:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2017, 11:23:24 am
A - With the caveat that we keep appraised of developments as if it were our own war. We don't want one side to win too quickly.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 11:25:58 am
Ansbach wants to claim the throne of Methiant eventually, so he's not gonna be friendly with us.I think that may be a mistake, considering the wording.
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...Ansbach, has gathered support of Ceodwell nobles, bought some mercenary troops, and waged a war to topple Calahan III and take his place upon the throne of Methiant.
As far as I know, our name isn't Calahan III. The wording there implies taking Calahan's place.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 11:27:18 am
Ansbach wants to claim the throne of Methiant eventually, so he's not gonna be friendly with us.
I think Haspen might have derped on which throne the fellow's after, as toppling Calahan doesn't sound like a great way to get the throne of Methiant.
That said, C. Let's make this war as interesting as possible.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2017, 11:30:15 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 11:33:33 am
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 11:35:23 am
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 12:09:08 pm
V:
:V
You guys need to get yo eyesight fixed.
Post by: omada on December 03, 2017, 12:19:05 pm
B) money and humiliation from calahan (and teach rebels to ask for our support)
C)increase rebels power
Post by: Baffler on December 03, 2017, 12:32:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 12:53:35 pm
Fuck Calahan. We're going to go to war with him in 3 years. Lets help destabilize his kingdom.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 12:56:32 pm
I'm worried that supporting the rebels would be seen as violating the treaty, and I don't want to risk talking our way out of that via a roll
Post by: birdy51 on December 03, 2017, 12:59:07 pm
Fuck him indeed. But if his rival should somehow win, then he'll gain the throne and our conquest would be illegitimate. We should bide our time, and conquer his lands for ourselves. Should we achieve victory, I say we lay upon his chest a layer of silver coins, till the weight of our wealth doth hid stomach give way.
Thus be the death of a treacherous, money grubbing man!
Post by: helmacon on December 03, 2017, 01:43:09 pm
I can't believe you guys didn't take the tree...
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 01:46:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 01:47:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 01:51:15 pm
Few days later, the caravan from the west arrives, brining ketton cloth.
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Craftsmen and noblemen clear the supply of ketton cloth within days, paying absurd prices for being able to wear the fabrics. It made them much happier and willing to go with your shenanigans, too.
Some courtiers also managed to ask about war situation against the Tirines. Apparently, not only Elran III got everything under control, a counter-offensive has the Tirine forces crumble day by day.
1125 AD, Autumn
A group of Kashite representatives arrive at your court! The gaudily clad men with sharp beards and steely eyes bow before your throne.
"Greetings, King Cyl of Methiant! Our master, King Shashanban, has always been looking with envy towards the mighty devices that spit out fire and iron death. He wishes to acquire these weapons from you, and therefore offers Kashite gold. An exchange would happen every two years."
You decide to...
A) Reject the trade offer.
B) Attempt to negotiate the deal.
C) Accept the deal.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 01:53:10 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 01:58:56 pm
It'd leave us with one exchange before the truce period is up, which isn't particularly great for us. Maybe we can work out something better?
Post by: Weirdsound on December 03, 2017, 02:06:25 pm
We can't even really supply our boomsticks right now, although we might get our powder back soon now that Elran has his shit together.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 02:15:55 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 03, 2017, 02:18:33 pm
Military secrets are our treasure.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 02:47:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 03, 2017, 03:06:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 03, 2017, 03:11:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 04:44:41 pm
1125 AD, Mid-Autumn
Lamentation and cries of the peoples of Cydwyl reach the ears of your courtiers all the time these days. The iron lady, Queen Dogethe of Cydwyl, has died in her sleep, after reaching venerable age of seventy. Her armies were almost always triumphant and her peoples were almost always proud and happy of her rule. The throne of Cydwyl has passed to eldest of her currently living sons, Talon, a man of superb administrative skills and absolute lack of charisma.
A) Such a tragedy, we ought to send a delegation of mourners right away!
B) A letter of condolences for King Talon is in order.
C) This is terrible news! I ought to visit capital of Cydwyl with my family and courtiers!
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 04:47:03 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 04:47:59 pm
Let's be pals with the new king. If previous luck holds then this one's likely to be an asshole bar none, but maybe just this once things will be different.
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 04:48:54 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 04:50:46 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 04:54:15 pm
B Pft yeah 'Friends". Because friends back stab each other for money. Here's hoping that her Son has more honor than she did.Yes, because she did help in that war (her help was why we didn't lose 100% despite you guys insisting on turning a one front war we were winning into a three front war we were losing) and one time not throwing her troops at to their deaths in a war that had clearly already been lost does not magically erase decades of being allies :P
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 04:55:32 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 04:58:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 03, 2017, 05:15:59 pm
C You know what sure. I'll vote to give her son a chance. Though I never really got why you guys liked Dogethe so much. I've never really trusted nor liked her but eh. To each their own I guess.
Up until she betrayed us to the dwarfs (over which she felt bad about and offered reparations for) she was always good to her word.
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 05:17:35 pm
One week later
You got just in time for the first day of funeral rites.
As the time flies and Queen Dogethe's reign is remembered and praised, you manage to have few discussions with King Talon, a balding man in his mid-thirties. Just as described, he has a dry wit and seems to have no love for pleasantries, etiquette and long talk. All you got out of him was that he hopes that Methiant will be 'a proper and amicable neighbour'. You weren't able to even interest him in any sort of deal or treaty.
Your courtiers had much more luck with the nobles of King Talon's court.
You learn that the current heir of Talon is a twelve years old boy named Cidric. A rash youth with big heart, great skill with weapons and, unfortunately, not very bright mind. Some rumors go around that not every of his uncles and cousins views him as a proper successor to the throne, even.
Also, you learn that not everything is well in Cydwyl, as northern peoples rather frequently in the past decade has been rising up with riots and rebellions, almost year by year tying up resources and men that Queen Dogethe wished to allocate elsewhere. One can easily assume her death will only fuel the northerners' rebellious spirit.
Also also, you learn that recently the eastern colonies and settlements has been once again in trouble with the Agaresians. While nothing major happened so far, some travelers and homesteads were harassed by Agaresian lizard riders.
A week later, you, your courtiers and family depart for home.
1125 AD, Winter
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Alas, this year the metal mines have brought less profits than previously. The market must be satured or something.
Silver and gemstones arrive to stuff your Treasury though, pleasing the Treasurer.
1125 AD, Midwinter
The economical prosperity of Methiant in recent years has spurred traders from near and far to cross their country on their way to Eldrican, Cydwyl, Kashite and Lametania, the stability in the country and safety on the roads surely contributing to that.
1125 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor seems particularily happy when he walks into your study with Scrolls of Kingdom Status, and you soon learn why:
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 7
Army: 7
Your wife, seated besides you, sighs from excitement.
"My liege, while our country grows, the officers and the Marshal concluded that we ought to take advantage of our booming economy and expand the budget of the Army. While it is well maintained, it only allows for mediocre amount of soldiers. Greater spending would allow for more men, horses and garrisons to be kept around the sundial."
A) "Agree, let's expand the military budget, for the glory of Methiant!"
B) "Just because we're rich now doesn't mean we will be rich tomorrow."
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 05:19:22 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 05:20:17 pm
Just to dissuade the neighbors from trying anything, you understand.
Post by: ZBridges on December 03, 2017, 05:22:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 05:22:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 03, 2017, 05:24:49 pm
Usually when we have a high enough economy at the end of the year, Haspen will throw a bunch of fun and creative options as to how we might spend the surplus our way. I'll bet that happens next year if we don't spend all that much.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 05:25:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 05:26:35 pm
1126 AD, Spring
News arrive from the east; apparently, Ansbach the Pretender has captured the capital of Ceodwell! Calahan III fled along with his court, but rumors have it he has procured thousands of Gubta troops as mercenaries to help him regain control over the country.
Some of your courtiers wonder aloud if this isn't an opportunity for Methiant.
A) Sure thing, we will invade Ceodwell and conquer it ourselves!
B) Sure thing, let's help Ansbach with some money.
C) Naw, let's keep ourselves out of this mess.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 05:28:14 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 05:28:31 pm
...
No, wait. C we can hit them as soon as the war between them is over.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 03, 2017, 05:29:16 pm
C - Let Gubta exhaust their men first and wait for the treaty to expire. Breaking it will be bad and our foreign presence may encourage the Ceodwells to settle their differences and fight together against us.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 03, 2017, 05:31:20 pm
Lets not violate the treaty. Even if we don't get involved now, it is likely that the country will still be a mess in two years.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 05:38:40 pm
C.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 05:39:43 pm
No, C Let's not accidentally help someone to power whom we can't declare war against. We're all looking forward to it.
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Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 05:41:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 05:43:55 pm
1126 AD, Summer
Torrential rains and cold wind has had profound effect on Methiantese farmlands this year. Even now, farmers lament their losses as many a blooming field has been destroyed, promising naught but empty baskets and bags during this year's harvests. Some governors and village elders turn to the Crown, hoping to receive funding to buy grain for the coming winter.
A) Duh, of course I will help.
B) Sorry, ain't got money for this.
Post by: helmacon on December 03, 2017, 05:45:08 pm
damn dwarves..
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 05:45:13 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 03, 2017, 05:45:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 05:46:49 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 05:48:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 05:49:06 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 03, 2017, 05:51:27 pm
Maybe we ought to go raze another citadel. We seem to be on altogether more equal footing with them in this era than before, largely on account of Thundercats.
Post by: Haspen on December 03, 2017, 05:54:52 pm
1126 AD, Midsummer
Some of the northern governors are complaining - about Hurthlings, apparently.
According to some reports, teh Hurthlings has been found passing through the border for who knows what business. Most if nto all attempts at shooing them off resulted in verbal or physical scuffles. So far, eleven peoples have been wounded by the little peoples.
A) This won't stand! Time for the big Army to stomp the little peoples!
B) We ought to send a delegation to the Hurthlings and remind them to be nice, or else.
C) Not my problem really, the Hurthlings will go away on their own I'm sure.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 05:56:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2017, 06:00:41 pm
[Wow. I actually went back to see what the Elf said about us destroying that Dwarf Fortress and it's actually pretty amazing that Cyl did this
"You didn't only stop expansion, you also destroyed one of their fabled wall cities, something none of you humans did for centuries." and managed to technically win the war with Ceodwell while they were backed by the Gubta Empire. Cyl actually feels more like a badass King once you realize what he's actually managed to do even if he didn't do what he set out to do.]
Post by: melkor on December 03, 2017, 06:08:02 pm
[Wow. I actually went back to see what the Elf said about us destroying that Dwarf Fortress and it's actually pretty amazing that Cyl did this
"You didn't only stop expansion, you also destroyed one of their fabled wall cities, something none of you humans did for centuries." and managed to technically win the war with Ceodwell while they were backed by the Gubta Empire. Cyl actually feels more like a badass King once you realize what he's actually managed to do even if he didn't do what he set out to do.]
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yes that is amassing but lets not forget we also accidentally committed genocide against the dwarfs.
so there's that
Post by: Weirdsound on December 03, 2017, 06:21:42 pm
yes that is amassing but lets not forget we also accidentally committed genocide against the dwarfs.
so there's that
Speaking of Genocide, The Hurthlings get one warning. B
Post by: mightymushroom on December 03, 2017, 06:28:34 pm
And it wasn't even remotely genocide against the dwarves, they just retreated underground and we called it good. Because we're humans, only the surface matters.
Post by: birdy51 on December 03, 2017, 06:32:41 pm
yes that is amassing but lets not forget we also accidentally committed genocide against the dwarfs.
so there's that
Accidentally? Hell no. The dwarves knew what was coming when they destroyed the scepter and broke the good faith because of petty thieves that were by no means state sponsored or approved. We offered the terms of reconciliation, and they refused. What they chose to do after that was of their own volition.
Post by: Baffler on December 03, 2017, 06:45:35 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 08:46:37 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on December 03, 2017, 08:48:16 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 03, 2017, 08:48:54 pm
Post by: Culise on December 03, 2017, 09:19:34 pm
On that note, B. Borders don't exist to be breached.
Post by: omada on December 03, 2017, 09:26:53 pm
Speaking of Genocide. That was actually surprisingly profitable. Anyone up for Ankurvat and Zonalath?
Hmm,maybe if we didn't rolled a 1 in the negotiations it could be profitable, but else we lost all our money
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 03, 2017, 10:05:45 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 03, 2017, 10:16:31 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 03, 2017, 10:26:09 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 03, 2017, 10:56:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 12:40:19 am
Few days later, the ketton cloth arrives.
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Enthusiasm - and the prices - for the cloth have diminished. At least the Treasury profited enough to pay for the cost of the cloth.
1126 AD, Late Summer
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The delegation returns having successfully interviewed the Hurthlings. Apparently, their lands suffers famine again and they're in dire need of grain, but their leaders are too wary (or too proud) to ask the 'big ones' for help.
Your courtiers wonder if maybe Methiant should show their good will toward the little peoples. As your country has had a bad summer weather itself, the only option is to send them money so they can procure food from traveling merchants.
A) Sure, we will send help.
B) Nah, they're not worth it.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 12:41:54 am
Not necessarily because I don't want to help, but because I don't trust the Hurthlings to take the money and successfully purchase the grain without messing it up and creating an international incident.
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 12:57:17 am
Post by: helmacon on December 04, 2017, 01:14:33 am
why not?
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 04, 2017, 01:16:08 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 04, 2017, 01:35:32 am
A
why not?
Because money is more important that friends!
Post by: Kashyyk on December 04, 2017, 01:39:24 am
B - No help for the hurthlings, because they have no way to help us in return.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 04, 2017, 01:48:49 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 02:18:54 am
Post by: Imic on December 04, 2017, 04:01:47 am
Post by: Twinwolf on December 04, 2017, 06:56:24 am
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 07:05:59 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 08:27:30 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 09:16:10 am
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 01:59:30 pm
1126 AD, Autumn
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The report makes your court furious. Either by Hurthling violent nature or mayhaps a wrong gesture on the behalf of the caravan, your men has been attacked, their supplies seized and taken deep into the lands of Hurthlings. Few of the fifty men sent to escort the food and cloth in the wagons returned to tell the tale of this brutal attack!
You decide to...
A) Send the Army to bring order to the lawless swamp that is Tiftit Kingdom.
B) Send some diplomats to demand return of the stolen goods and money.
C) Let this incident pass without consequences.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 04, 2017, 02:02:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 04, 2017, 02:03:50 pm
C
On the other hand, it is East, and that's more important than anything.
A
Post by: helmacon on December 04, 2017, 02:04:23 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 02:09:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
The Marshal adjusts his helmet and salutes to you.
"My liege! Will you lead us to glory and victory in this campaign?"
A) "Nah."
B) "Aye!"
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 02:13:07 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 04, 2017, 02:13:13 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 04, 2017, 02:15:44 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 04, 2017, 02:17:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 04, 2017, 02:21:50 pm
B Let's die in a pointless war!
Sure.
B
Post by: Kashyyk on December 04, 2017, 02:29:17 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 04, 2017, 02:30:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 02:30:52 pm
Congratulations! Cyl I embarks on a military campaign! During his absence, Queen Esta and the royal Council will take care of political matters.
It's been a week since your Army deployed and so far, it has been an easy conquest. Few times did the Hurthlings present any resistance, and none of these times they inflicted more than few casualties while their slingers, javelineers and archers were mowed down by your cavalry or brutally melee'd by your well-armed and trained soldiers (the fact that Hurthlings doesn't seem to work with any sturdier metal than copper probably helps a lot). Their settlements and homesteads, dug into hills or into the ground are easy pickings for your torch-bearers or Fireblood machines.
Forests now separate the settlements further north, and there are some hillside villages to the south which would probably require pacifying. Some of your officers ponder if maybe the Hurthlings should be offered a parley.
A) Let's continue conquering in northernly direction.
B) Let's mop up work in the south.
C) Send an offer of negotiation to the Hurthlings.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 04, 2017, 02:32:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 04, 2017, 02:37:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 02:39:17 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 02:49:21 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 04, 2017, 03:21:06 pm
We have made our point I think
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 03:27:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 03:34:01 pm
C Maybe we can get them to settle down and be good subjects?
If the truce wasn't about to end, I'd be inclined to agree. As it stands, I'm in favor of removing them from existence so they cannot cause trouble on the homefront when we push East.
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 03:40:03 pm
Few days later, your Army is attacked by the Hurthlings between two large hills! How did they manage to approach you unnoticed and with numbers reaching more than thousand, you do not know.
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But even this surprise attack didn't help, as the poor-as-dirt Hurthlings were no match against your steel-armed, drilled troops.
For the coming week, your troops are busy manhandling the Hurthling populace.
1126 AD, Mid-Autumn
While your magistrates, heavily guarded by soldiers of course, teach the Hurthlings how to organize their settlements better, the resistance of Hurthlings has diminished. Still, many officers believe its time to move majority of the army to more forested areas where apparently the Hurthling's High Chieftain and his Chiefs currently reside within splendorous dwellings of Hundred Doors.
A) Onwards, to battle!
B) Time to parley methinks!
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 03:43:35 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 03:45:39 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 03:46:03 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 04, 2017, 03:46:15 pm
I dread a bad roll.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 03:46:58 pm
While your magistrates, heavily guarded by soldiers of course, teach the Hurthlings how to organize their settlements better, the resistance of Hurthlings has diminished.
– then this is time to treat with the northern population. By showing kindness we decrease their antagonism; by leaving a "free" population we can let any hotheads emigrate. (Though we might have to watch out for agitators from their side, depending on how negotiations go.)
Edit: I doubt we have much to fear roll-wise in battle (since we seem to get +4 bonus woo!) but in my head-roleplay it makes things easier for the future integration of Hurthlings and Humans.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 04, 2017, 03:49:03 pm
We're likely to get ambushed again, but right now it doesn't look like they're particularly able to mount an organized resistance.
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 03:52:54 pm
[Whoops. Originally meant to put that as B. Edited.]
Post by: melkor on December 04, 2017, 03:53:20 pm
i am starting to feel bad for them. lets offer them vassalation so we can teach then to be civil.
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 04:01:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 04:06:48 pm
Five days later, as your Army is marching through a forest tall and dark, suddenly Hurthlings attack from both sides! Your Army's formation and the thickness of the forest forbid any useful deployment and use of Fireblood machines, not that your engineers have the time! And the Hurthlings picked best moment for ambush, too - what are your scouts doing??
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Your Army fights back chaotically as the forest clearly gives the Hurthlings a home field advantage, their javelineers and bowmen popping up from behind or on the top of the trees. Your Army is still numerous, so by numbers alone they have time to regroup and counterattack.
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And that some time to regroup is all that your Army needs; the soldiers run into the thicket en masse, pursuing and cutting down any and every armed Hurthling they find. The battle is won, but this time some three hundred Methiantese soldiers won't be coming home. Bodies of Hurthlings are twice that in numbers.
Fortunately, after a week of trek total, your Army emerges into highly populated farmlands area. Some initial resistance is squashed but before your soldiers can 'teach' the little peoples a lesson, a group of Hurthlings clad in chainmail and pink cloaks hurries toward your position, wearing the white scarves of truce.
They kneel in front of you and smooch the dirt, crying aloud.
"Oh grate Hooman King, spare our lives, we will be nice agiin! We swear to never hurt a big man again, and we will be nice, but pliis stop with the killings!!" You decide to...
A) Satisfy yourself with this promise and return home.
B) Add their bodies to the pile, as the final day of Hurthling race is at hand!!
C) Demand they return the stolen supplies and money.
D) Demand they kiss your royal signet and begin their lives anew as your vassals!
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 04:08:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 04:10:19 pm
I very much want to say B, and make sure they don't fuck with us while our army is busy elsewhere, but I have a feeling that wont fly, so lets just drag them out to war with us.
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 04, 2017, 04:12:47 pm
They're more trouble than they're worth.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 04:13:53 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 04:14:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 04, 2017, 04:16:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 04, 2017, 04:17:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 04:18:26 pm
C
They're more trouble than they're worth.
C and A are both terrible options. If they are more trouble than they are worth, best to kill them and sponsor settlement into their lands. If we just leave, either taking their money first or otherwise, they will start shit again at some point down the road. B (and in theory D) settle this issue once and for all.
Post by: Imic on December 04, 2017, 04:25:03 pm
What the ¥$£% just happened?
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 04, 2017, 04:26:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 04, 2017, 04:29:29 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 04, 2017, 04:47:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 04:47:59 pm
They do so so eagerly you're not sure they understand, but some few hundred soldiers and few dozens officials are left with teh Hurthlings to overse their integration into civilized world (and Methiant).
Your campaign was a success! You decide to conclude it.
Congratulations! Cyl I successfully completed a military campaign!
1126 AD, Late Autumn
People hail you as a 'Conqueror', but the various negotiations you did back and now also make some scholars believe your should be titled 'Negotiator'! Rarely such a debacle occurs, and you prefer to be known for your skills in...
A) Besting hostile forces and conquering foreign lands!
B) Negotiation and diplomacy with others!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 04, 2017, 04:49:10 pm
Only two years until the peace treaty is up.
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 04:49:37 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 04, 2017, 04:49:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 04, 2017, 04:50:33 pm
does a title give you anything?
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 04:52:20 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 04, 2017, 04:53:03 pm
Post by: Imic on December 04, 2017, 04:55:30 pm
officials are left with teh Hurthlings to overse their integration into civilized world (and Methiant).Someone do something with this quote.
B we are the king that writes letters that does crap. I think we should be remembered for that.
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 04:58:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 05:00:26 pm
officials are left with teh Hurthlings to overse their integration into civilized world (and Methiant).Someone do something with this quote.
B we are the king that writes letters that does crap. I think we should be remembered for that.
A
Only two years until the peace treaty is up.
Crap. These are both good points. I'll flip a coin. B
Post by: Arlos on December 04, 2017, 05:06:27 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 05:07:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 05:14:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 05:16:40 pm
You adopt the tile of 'Conqueror'!
Few days later you learn that Ansbach was successful, kind-of. After defeating Calahan in battle near the gold mines, the old Ceodwellian monarch has disappeared, with numerous rumors circulating that he was wounded, fled or outright killed. One of his trusted officers has taken over the diminishing loyalist forces and is fighting at the border, while Ansbach decided that it is a good moment to declare the fall of the tyrant, and crowned himself King Ansbach I of Ceodwell.
Having some scholars dig up his ancestry got him connected to Ceodwell's dynasty somewher 6 or 7 steps up the family tree, legitimizing his rule. That what matters for the noblemen; the common folk praise him as 'liberator' and 'protector' against increasing Gubta influences on the country in the past years.
A) Now is the time to strike! Onwards, against Ansbach and Kingdom of Ceodwell!
B) Maybe this one won't be a dick. Let's send him a congratulatory letter.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 05:18:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 05:21:09 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 04, 2017, 05:21:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 05:22:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 05:23:28 pm
A Our peace treaty was with Calahan and Gupta. He is neither of them nor their ally.Plus I mean how valid is a treaty that we had to sign with a knife at our back anyway?
Can somebody pull up the post where this treaty was signed? If the language supports this, I will change my vote to A.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 04, 2017, 05:26:44 pm
By mediation via Gubta diplomats and under close observation by your Army officers, a peace is settled with Calahan III of Ceodwell; he decided to cede territory - only those that the old papers speak about. A negligible amount of settlements and fertile land was got, it means. There were no monetary tributes or payments involved. The truce between the two lands is set for ten years, a demand that was pushed in on last minute by the Gubtas (your Army commanders decided to allow for this).
It's vague.
But the Gubta are the enforcers, and they certainly aren't going to stop us from taking out someone who rebelled specifically to kick them out.
A
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 05:27:11 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 04, 2017, 05:27:30 pm
if he is lauded as anti gubta, he can't very well hire them can he?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 04, 2017, 05:32:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 05:34:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 04, 2017, 05:34:47 pm
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Your officers were against it initially, but some discussion and support of the Marshal against the old clique that forced you to sign the treaty has eroded any resistance against this incursion.
The Marshal salutes and you know very well what question is being asked of you!
A) Let's ride the front into glory and victory!
B) I think I will stay at the capital this time.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 04, 2017, 05:35:19 pm
Lets see if the title actually gives us some sorta benefit.
Post by: ZBridges on December 04, 2017, 05:38:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 04, 2017, 05:42:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2017, 05:45:12 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 04, 2017, 05:58:20 pm
more land = Better.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 04, 2017, 06:11:11 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 04, 2017, 07:45:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 12:44:31 am
Congratulations! Cyl I embarks on another military campaign!
As your Army enters Ceodwell, three border forts stand before you, spread within half a day distance from each other. You quickly convene with your offices and three options become available, and you decide to...
A) Spread your forces equally between these three to conquer them.
B) Smash one of the forts open with all our might, and that will be our entry point.
C) Besiege all three with minimal amount of soldiers while the rest continues forward.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 05, 2017, 12:46:19 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 05, 2017, 12:46:30 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 05, 2017, 01:03:18 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 05, 2017, 01:45:58 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 05, 2017, 01:51:20 am
Post by: melkor on December 05, 2017, 04:46:11 am
A
Post by: Kashyyk on December 05, 2017, 05:22:26 am
Post by: helmacon on December 05, 2017, 05:54:10 am
We haven't hit their main army yet. We don't want to be spread out when we do
Post by: Kashyyk on December 05, 2017, 06:07:45 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 05, 2017, 08:04:25 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 05, 2017, 08:52:30 am
If we leave two of them up and then pass on by, that's a free pass for the other two fortress to endlessly raid our supply lines.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 05, 2017, 09:56:09 am
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 10:12:59 am
nyeeeeeeh
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 05, 2017, 10:20:10 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 05, 2017, 10:23:11 am
Post by: birdy51 on December 05, 2017, 10:23:34 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 05, 2017, 10:40:09 am
I am calling for all citizens who still believe in truth, justice, and the Methiantese way to stand with me and join the League For Casus Belli Not Slobbering Bloodlust, Dammit! The LFCBNSBD! will form an opposition council to petition wise and gentle Queen Esta to repudiate her mad husband and assume the reins of power in her own person.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 05, 2017, 11:18:32 am
Post by: Baffler on December 05, 2017, 11:21:29 am
Post by: Prophet on December 05, 2017, 11:37:38 am
So as far as I can see we've maintained our Honor.
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 12:13:56 pm
A week later, you learn that a large cavalry troop - almost three thousand - is charging toward the southernmost of forts from the direction of Ceodwellian heartlands, endangering the Methiantese soldiers besieging it!
A) Time to toss our cavalry against the incoming horsemen!
B) Oh I'm sure they can weather the storm easily.
C) We gotta pull most of our soldiers there!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 05, 2017, 12:16:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 12:17:07 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 05, 2017, 12:18:19 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 05, 2017, 12:19:39 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 05, 2017, 12:46:14 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 05, 2017, 12:49:30 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 05, 2017, 01:00:21 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 05, 2017, 01:18:42 pm
Post by: omada on December 05, 2017, 01:28:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 05, 2017, 02:02:15 pm
Spoiler: rebuttal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: musings (click to show/hide)
Just to prove (to myself, at the very least) that I can get over my grumbling:
C
I nearly voted A, but the cavalry will probably be outnumbered and without our Fireblood advantage. B is probably even odds – our siegers will have Fireblood but be somewhat outnumbered – and we'd rather fight with both our strengths when we can.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 05, 2017, 02:05:31 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 05, 2017, 02:11:44 pm
That the treaty was null because of change in administration is wrong. To repeat the assertion is a big fat lie. Please stop.It's not a "big fat lie", it's a point of subjectivity. Read the words after that roll: the question was whether the Army would support the decision. We can imagine that some of them felt that the treaty was void due to the rebellion in Ceodwell and an apparently smaller faction disagreed; ultimately, the faction supporting the decision won the debate, so, as far as history is concerned, the treaty really was void. With a lower roll, it might not have been, but that's how these things always go.
(My own vote to go was explicitly with the intent of leading Cyl into the consequences of his decision.)Am I the only one who finds this kind of attitude utterly staggering? I mean, I was on the Luath side in the civil war, and Cyl won because the GM made a mistake of all reasons, but now that Cyl's the king I'm 100% behind him. What is even the point of playing like that? I mean, you know he's not a real person and therefore cannot "learn from his mistakes" or whatever, right? So it is just to try to stop other people from having their fun?
Post by: mightymushroom on December 05, 2017, 02:36:48 pm
Am I the only one who finds this kind of attitude utterly staggering? . . . What is even the point of playing like that? I mean, you know he's not a real person and therefore cannot "learn from his mistakes" or whatever, right?
I am sorry to have staggered you. I held back at least one post in the same vein precisely because I feared drawing out a fight over a settled vote. As I explained, my emotions got the better of me there. It was either let loose or quit playing a game I enjoy.
(Oh yes, yes. I, in turn, would fully support Luath if the case were reversed.)
I would like to reassure you, if I can, that I am not in any sense playing to lose. I am trying to balance the needs of the kingdom against a role play of both the man whom I read Cyl to be as a result of his known actions and of the man I wish him to be. In this case, I would not wish him to be a man who orders such a war without fighting it himself, and this is consistent with his recent history against the Hurthlings earning the title Conqueror. I know it is not reasonable on my part to expect a multiplayer community to be of the same consensus all the time. Now the die is cast, the border is crossed, and the best thing for all is to win as expeditiously as possible. To that end I am attempting to throw my best support.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 05, 2017, 03:04:49 pm
I would like to reassure you, if I can, that I am not in any sense playing to lose.Ah, it sounded like you were, and I know I've seen other people claim as much before. If you aren't, then that's another thing entirely, and doesn't bother me at all. That Cyl the Conqueror ought to lead his own campaign, I obviously agree.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 05, 2017, 03:11:36 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 05, 2017, 03:15:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 04:47:51 pm
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They arrive just in time as the cavalry rides forward toward the positions of your troops! Your sodliers now have advantege of numbers.
You bark orders from afar and soldiers rally against the foe!
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The initial charge of enemy cavalry slams through your battlelines! Many a Methiant soldier perishes under the hooves of the Ceodwell horsemen! The battle lines quickly become a swamp of melee, too close and too densely packed for your Fireblood engines to strike without decimating your soldiers also.
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Why is this happening!? Your soldiers, instead of pushing back the foe, flee away from the eastern cavalry! This is the worst offense to the honor of the kingdom! The numerical advantage your troops had melts down very fast, and the frontline is on verge of collapse!
A) Retreat! Retreat!
B) Time for some morale boosting battle cry!
C) CHAAARRRRGGEEE!!!
Post by: ZBridges on December 05, 2017, 04:52:53 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 05, 2017, 04:56:03 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 05, 2017, 04:58:38 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 05, 2017, 05:03:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 05, 2017, 05:05:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2017, 05:13:35 pm
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Nope.
Some soldiers stopped to listen, but soon they also joined the numerous other that were 'withdrawing tactically' from the melee in large numbers. In fact, you think that you speech moved even more of them to abandon their lines!
A) Retreat! Retreat!
B) CHAAARRRRGGEEE!!!
Post by: Arlos on December 05, 2017, 05:15:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 05, 2017, 05:21:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 05, 2017, 05:21:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 05, 2017, 05:26:38 pm
We have an artifact that protects us from harm, and if it fails and we die, Methiant is no longer under the prophecy, so we can recover from this war and focus on the dwarves.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 05, 2017, 05:44:23 pm
A Let's give the professionals time to regain control.
Post by: helmacon on December 05, 2017, 05:59:56 pm
triple 1s... Ouch
Post by: melkor on December 05, 2017, 06:07:29 pm
i for one will not let this shame happen.
B
victory or death!
Post by: milo christiansen on December 05, 2017, 06:11:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 05, 2017, 06:30:41 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 05, 2017, 07:54:46 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 05, 2017, 09:43:29 pm
We didn't get a fancy new shirt to lose it in the first battle!
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 05, 2017, 11:24:46 pm
I'm thinking the prophecy was a lie. Else we either misunderstood it entirely or it only applied to Zasitost, which we conquered in pretty short order and we've gotten as much from it as we're getting.I suspect the prophecy was more of a warning that we'd be screwed if we pissed off the Eldricans, than a guarantee of success on the other side as such.
Uhhh, A for the tiebreaker, I guess?
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 12:29:46 am
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At least the retreat is orderly. The troops besieging the forts, seeing the main of their army leave, hastily flee their posts too, furthering boosting the amount of soldiers at your side to almost 5000.
Once again your Army is together, but that's not much of a good thing because the Ceodwells have ran after you much earlier than expected! Near two thousand horsemen, backed by few hundred foot, have been spotted an hour away to the south.
A) Plenty of time to dig in.
B) Gotta form the lines.
C) Retreaaaat!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 06, 2017, 12:33:01 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 06, 2017, 12:33:33 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 06, 2017, 12:38:28 am
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 12:43:42 am
When the enemy cavalry arrives to rush your men, they are ready - Fireblood machines and archers begin their counter-assault!
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This time the battle is yours; the cavalry charge weakens from the bombardment and then your men have relatively easy time beating the cavalry away. Many hundreds of horses and Ceodwell soldiers die on this field.
Later in the evening, your scouts report the cavalry troop retreated far behind the forts. During the battle the three forts exchanged supplies and some men though.
A) And what do we care? Bombard all three into dust.
B) Then it's time for us to resume the sieges.
C) Let's just capture one of them and move on.
Post by: helmacon on December 06, 2017, 12:45:30 am
let them burn
Post by: ZBridges on December 06, 2017, 12:46:02 am
Post by: Puppyguard on December 06, 2017, 12:46:09 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 06, 2017, 12:48:28 am
Lets save our supplies for the capital city siege.
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2017, 12:51:59 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 06, 2017, 01:05:12 am
Hopefully that is the last of Ceodwell's standing army.
Post by: Imic on December 06, 2017, 01:54:59 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 06, 2017, 02:47:03 am
Why the hell did we have to lead this ourselves?
For that sweet +1 from being a Conqueror, of course.
That said, B. Gotta keep the Fireblood supplies up.
Post by: melkor on December 06, 2017, 03:07:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 06, 2017, 08:50:21 am
B We're not leaving an unknown strength behind us. Siege at least until we learn an acceptably small split of our force can contain them.
(I suspect the x is copied from a macro/template without substituting the result of 6. When I write the same bits over and over, I look for a shortcut.)
Post by: omada on December 06, 2017, 12:53:08 pm
fake edit: Oh fuck I forgot we don't get supplies for fireblood a long time
B
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 01:39:43 pm
Week passes without incident but neither of the forts surrenders. On the evening, your scouts arrive from southeast; another large Ceodwell army is moving from that direction. It is mixed cavalry and footsoldiers army, and they saw numerous foreign banners amongst them.
"What kind of banners?" The scout salutes the Marshal.
"At least 1 Damdamian banner, two Kashite banners, and some banners of mercenary guilds of this region. At least a third of banners weren't Ceodwellian." Your officers didn't count on Ansbach being able to host so much mercenary force, but apparently yearly profits of Ceodwell are just that good. You decide to...
A) Continue the siege with minimal forces while the rest meets the advancing army in open field.
B) Prepare defenses of all three groups besieging the forts.
C) Retreat few days away from the forts and see what the reinforcements will do.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 06, 2017, 01:41:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 01:48:02 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 06, 2017, 01:49:28 pm
Edit: how many do we have and how many do they have.
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 01:51:33 pm
At least the retreat is orderly. The troops besieging the forts, seeing the main of their army leave, hastily flee their posts too, furthering boosting the amount of soldiers at your side to almost 5000.
Okay so lets say you guys have 4k if ya need more definite number. Yeah, imma stick with this ;v
Post by: Puppyguard on December 06, 2017, 01:52:54 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 06, 2017, 01:53:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 06, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 06, 2017, 01:58:55 pm
We are out numbered.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 06, 2017, 02:00:17 pm
I'll hesitantly go A.
Edit: B id keeping our forces split which if any even worse idea. At least A and C consolidate our army.
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2017, 02:08:36 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 06, 2017, 02:10:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 02:15:28 pm
By the next morning, your scouts inform you that the Ceodwell forces are just an hour away! You convene with your officers and decide to...
A) Get into a defensive position.
B) Form standard battle lines.
C) Move and find favorable terrain first.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 06, 2017, 02:16:53 pm
Post by: melkor on December 06, 2017, 02:20:08 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 06, 2017, 02:23:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 06, 2017, 02:25:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 06, 2017, 02:26:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 06, 2017, 02:31:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2017, 02:41:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2017, 03:29:19 pm
At least that's the plan but how it will go will show up in a moment!
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Although the enemy numbers are higher than yours, the numbers alone cannot match your carefully-planned tactics! The enemy infantry marches right into volley of stone rain. As the Ceodwell soldiers and mercenaries attempt to form al ine, your infantry rushes in with battle cries and plows deep into half-formed battle lines of the enemy. There's no need for real tactic, as your men have and keep the upper hand from the first seconds of the melee.
Three hours later, the battle ends as the remnants of Ceodwell forces flee for their lives, more than two-thirds of enemy Army now being corpses upon the grassy dirt. Your own forces suffered only about six hundred casualties.
After a short celebration and some rest, your officers convene with to gain insights into your strategy.
A) We resume besieging the forts with full force.
B) We leave the forts behind and go right for Ceodwell capital.
C) We leave the forts behind do some loitering around the countryside.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 06, 2017, 03:41:18 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 06, 2017, 03:42:42 pm
Post by: melkor on December 06, 2017, 03:43:00 pm
third times the charm besides they should have run out of money by now.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 06, 2017, 03:43:53 pm
Then again, these border forts are doing their job of holding us at the border so I suppose we could just ignore them... B
Post by: Criptfeind on December 06, 2017, 03:44:33 pm
We aren't sieging them for our health.
Post by: ZBridges on December 06, 2017, 04:37:23 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 06, 2017, 04:48:29 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 06, 2017, 05:16:57 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2017, 05:24:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 07, 2017, 12:30:50 am
1126 AD, Winter
It takes a week of marching before your scouts inform you about a worrying development; a grand fortress, manned by at least three thousand men, is standing at the crossroads just a week march away from Ceodwell's capital.
Your officers convene in a hurry - this one wasn't here last time! Calahan III must've built this castle after the previous war, and considering the size of the keep, the project must've had a big budget.
Ultimately, you decide to...
A) Besiege this grand fortress.
B) Launch an assault against the castle.
C) Bounce southwards and simply evade the fort.
Post by: helmacon on December 07, 2017, 12:50:34 am
This is what our thundercats are for
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2017, 12:51:39 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 07, 2017, 12:56:45 am
Post by: Puppyguard on December 07, 2017, 01:05:33 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 07, 2017, 01:08:04 am
Forts are great if there's a threat of an army actually catching you out if you go around. Fortunately for us, we just turned most of that into fertilizer. If we besiege, we're probably going to waste a ton of time. Going around is also time-consuming but likely less so in the long run.
And launching an assault is just suicidal.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 07, 2017, 01:16:15 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 07, 2017, 02:03:07 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 07, 2017, 03:03:50 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 07, 2017, 03:32:16 am
Post by: Imic on December 07, 2017, 04:02:07 am
Thundercaaaaaats!!!!!
Post by: Iituem on December 07, 2017, 06:33:23 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 07, 2017, 08:31:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 07, 2017, 10:09:52 am
C(emphasis added)
Forts are great if there's a threat of an army actually catching you out if you go around. Fortunately for us, we just turned most of that into fertilizer. If we besiege, we're probably going to waste a ton of time. Going around is also time-consuming but likely less so in the long run.
And launching an assault is just suicidal.
I'd like to agree but every time (over several wars now) I think the enemy is down, they come back with a lot more than I expect. I don't know how Haspen comes up with the numbers, but we can't assume they play by symmetrical rules such as recruiting a point a year. Meanwhile we'll have this force of 3000 ready to fall on our backs whenever we do engage; our own forces are supposedly in the 4000 range at this point. I feel queasy at the anticipation of being surrounded and outnumbered, though it's considerably offset by our list of bonuses. It could work, but not my gut instinct. This is why fortresses are built: to slow or stop invaders. When we play as invaders we must respect their power.
(On the good news, the scale of this giant gives me hope the border forts we left intact are too small to matter.)
I would think that "assault" in this case means using as much of our Thundercats as possible to blow it open? Nobody with cannon to use should be so stupid as to just rush soldiers at a solid wall. Those of you who picked A + Thundercats might want to consider whether the word "siege" means just sitting around like we did before.
B I'll demonstrate confidence in my own interpretation.
Post by: Haspen on December 07, 2017, 10:13:30 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 07, 2017, 10:20:16 am
Post by: Haspen on December 07, 2017, 10:26:50 am
Post by: omada on December 07, 2017, 10:53:46 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 07, 2017, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 08, 2017, 11:58:00 am
1126 AD, Midwinter
The castle remains besieged.
You receive a report from the Palace; silver, gemstones and metals all brought profits to the Treasury this year.
1126 AD, Late Winter
The fortress remains under siege and this ticks off your commanders. Where are enemy reinforcements? And the garrison of this castle refuses to surrender or even negotiate, your agents reporting they seem to have plenty of food and water and other supplies.
A) Clearly we need to break their spirits with an assault!
B) Clearly we need to detach a siege force and continue on!
C) Clearly we need to continue the great siege of the great castle!
Post by: Kashyyk on December 08, 2017, 12:01:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 08, 2017, 01:03:59 pm
Assuming A just means shot it with Thundercats and not throwing our men at it, I'll vote for that. Otherwise we should do C. Enough men to hold the siege is over half our army, so we can't do B.+1
Seeing as they have 3000 men in there, supplies will be running out sooner rather than later.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 08, 2017, 01:06:26 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 08, 2017, 01:14:38 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 08, 2017, 01:20:48 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2017, 01:22:37 pm
Actually I think I'll think about this for a bit more.
Post by: melkor on December 08, 2017, 01:46:30 pm
+1Assuming A just means shot it with Thundercats and not throwing our men at it, I'll vote for that. Otherwise we should do C. Enough men to hold the siege is over half our army, so we can't do B.+1
Post by: milo christiansen on December 08, 2017, 01:57:10 pm
+1+1Assuming A just means shot it with Thundercats and not throwing our men at it, I'll vote for that. Otherwise we should do C. Enough men to hold the siege is over half our army, so we can't do B.+1
Post by: mightymushroom on December 08, 2017, 02:23:18 pm
A for less quiet. Where are the reinforcements? Not here, let's take 'em. Roll that conqueror bonus.
P.S. Usually our army trainees graduate about the same time as the profits come in. Are they on their way?
Post by: omada on December 08, 2017, 03:22:31 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 08, 2017, 03:31:04 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 08, 2017, 04:32:06 pm
Post by: Imic on December 10, 2017, 04:36:40 am
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 05:10:34 am
The men prepare themselves in the same time the engineers prepare Fireblood machines and the ammo.
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Due to the skillful use by your engineers, the gate to the fortress is smashed apart with only three volleys! The large iron doors collapse inwards, and the assault can begin!
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This fortress was the place the enemy reinforcements were hiding - you learn as much when your officers report their soldiers having hard time fighting hundreds upon hundreds of Kashite, Gubta, Ceodwell and even Imperial men, all in different tunics and under different banners. Three dead foreigners per one dead Methiantese soldier and the fighting have failed to progress further than the first courtyard and surrounding buildings.
The enemy of course is bleeding out, but so does your Army.
A) We ought to retreat to the fields!
B) Push on my brave soldiers, win the fight!
C) CHAAARRRGEEEEE!!!
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 05:13:33 am
Push on Brave soldiers, push on!
Post by: ZBridges on December 10, 2017, 05:16:35 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 05:17:29 am
Post by: Iituem on December 10, 2017, 08:16:17 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 08:21:27 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 08:23:43 am
I think we should CHARGEEEEE
Post by: Twinwolf on December 10, 2017, 08:30:52 am
B: Less risky, but perhaps more random - I think our only bonus would be the superior troops quality, and possibly Lucky activating
C: More risky but also more likely to succeed, I think - I imagine our special tunic thing might be a bonus, and the soldier quality would be in play probably, and perhaps conquerer. BUT, if we fail that would likely mean death.
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 08:39:43 am
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Unfortunately, this doesn't help much. Corpses continue to wet the cobblestone and dirt red with blood, but no real progress is made.
A) We ought to abandon the assault and retreat!
B) CHAAARRRGEEEEE!!!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 08:40:25 am
Personal charge. AwayYYYYYY
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 10, 2017, 08:41:01 am
We got this!
We cant possibly get another 1 in a row right?
Post by: Iituem on December 10, 2017, 08:47:03 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 08:49:01 am
Let's conquer!
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 09:22:08 am
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The charge stomps the enemy mercenaries and soldiers, and soon the remainder flees before the fearsome rush led by you. Some spearmen at the tunnel into the inner keep try to stop you but soon they get hoof-full to the face.
After you, the brave Methiantese soldiers, at least those not immediatelly preoccupied, rush into the inner keep. The battle is messy and your clothes are soaked red with blood of fallen enemies. Then you and your horsemen dismount and the fighting takes to the steps of the keep and then its corridors, your body tired yer spirit soaring towards victory. You hack and slash at those who come against you, and none of them lives enough to postpone your glorious assault.
By the morning of the next day, the red stag on green field is fluttering above the keep, as its soldiers and officers lay down their swords. Your own soldiers applaud you as the bravest commander that Methiant had in its history. Over a thousand of Methiantese have perished in the assault, but losses amongst the garrison were almost thrice higher.
Few days later, your officers bring you joyous news; the crews of the border forts surrendered once the news of the fall of this mighty fortress reached their ears. They ponder if a charge against the capital city should be made, to capitalize on the conquest.
A) Nay, we rest and recuperate in safety of this mighty fortress for a week or so.
B) Nay, first we need to send for supplies and reinforcements to Methiant, this might take some time.
C) Yes, that's what we shall do! Onwards to glory and victory!!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 10, 2017, 09:45:02 am
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 09:48:13 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 09:49:32 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 09:58:44 am
I think what tips my hand into this is Gubta, it's possible they've stayed out of this more then they could be, because of this fortress. Either via the Ceodwells thinking that this would stop us so they don't need Gubta help, or the Gubta thinking something similar and wanting us to bleed each other... So it's possible that now that our enemies are going to be more desperate the Gubta might step in more if we can't end the war quickly.
C
I mean, if we walk up to a massive fortified city ringed with soldiers, we can just march back here and hunker down right?
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 10:11:50 am
1127 AD, Spring
A courier brings you the copy of Scrolls of Kingdom Status so you can check on how the country is doing while you're away.
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 4
He also informs you that supplies and more than thousand fresh troops is on their way to join you.
1127 AD, Mid-Spring
The fresh troops and supplies join your Army.
Meanwhile, your agents and scouts learned quite a bit about situation in Ceodwell; King Ansbach have failed to pay the money to the Kashite King as well as Margrave of Ysirene in the Empire for the services of their mercenaries, and both nations have raided his lands; the Kashites burned down several farming settlements and captured several hundred peasants as slaves while the Margrave's forces captured the gold mines in far south that were the cornerstone of Ceodwellian economy in recent years (the Margrave is said to promise to return them after three years, but who knows how much his word is worth).
A) This is great opportunity to strike! Onwards, to the capital!
B) Time to offer King Ansbach a peace offer he cannot refuse!
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 10:20:01 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 10:43:13 am
I wanta make sure that we absorb them completely and not just as a province with him at the head that might break away once they recover.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 11:06:03 am
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 11:11:42 am
We totally need to kick out the Margrave, I want that gold mine!
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 11:12:23 am
Post by: Iituem on December 10, 2017, 11:18:39 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 11:19:38 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 10, 2017, 11:26:36 am
Post by: birdy51 on December 10, 2017, 11:32:58 am
We'll take the capital. Then we take their gold!
Post by: mightymushroom on December 10, 2017, 11:50:44 am
A anyway for the Conqueror.
Because it looks like we can settle Ceodwell itself easily from this point; although in doing so we also absorb their problems. Unlike most everyone else I want to more closely evaluate the situation at the mines before pressing too hard. We all remember what happened last time we dragged out a war, don't we? (I include myself since I voted for that last push forward that prompted the rebellion, and once bitten, twice shy.) If we assert our familial claim to the throne of Ceodwell, we have an equal case for ownership of the mines. We can either pay the Margrave directly from our Treasury and reap the profits afterward, or we can rebuild the army to strength while awaiting their promised return.
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 12:06:49 pm
A week later, your Army is more than halfway past the way, when your scouts bring you news; a thousand and something strong troop of Ceodwellian soldiers, mostly horsemen, is half a day travel to the north. They seem to be heading toward the border rather than to fight your forces.
You host a council with your officers about how to proceed.
A) We ought to change course and induce a fight with them to further cripple Ansbach's army.
B) Can't be bothered with some remnants, let's continue against the capital as intended.
C) Mayhaps we should camp around here and gather further information first.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 10, 2017, 12:17:13 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 10, 2017, 12:55:36 pm
Ours?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 12:56:46 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 01:24:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 01:38:20 pm
Five days of traveling later, your scouts report that the horsemen have camped half a day away at the Plains of Abur, where foundations of ancient ruined fortress stick out from between the bushes and boulders that characterize this sparsely populated land. You decide to...
A) Camp out and gather information for now.
B) Go forth and fight against the enemy.
Post by: birdy51 on December 10, 2017, 01:39:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 01:54:01 pm
B
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 02:06:09 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 10, 2017, 02:08:15 pm
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 02:37:13 pm
Edit:
Did we gave the elf cloaks to the spymaster?
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 02:49:43 pm
You decide to set camp and send out scouts and agents to gather information.
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By the next day, the men sent forward return. Apparently, this is not Ceodwell's soldiers anymore but a rebel bunch! One of agents was able to contact a man amongst the rebels. The group is led by one man calling himself Baron Augardar, and he has, under false pretense, obtained some money from Ansbach and is currently running with his loyal men and family northwards as he heard that Kingdom of Cydwyl is sponsoring settlement of The Wildlands and that's just a place to create a fief for oneself.
Other scouts provided numerical details on Augardar's troop; it's eight hundred or so in numbers, but most of the riders are lightly armed squires and servants, and only about hundred are trained and well-equipped soldiers.
A) Splendid! An aristocrat we could install on throne of Ceodwell when we win! We ought to negotiate with Augardar at once!
B) Tis a fine ruse, but an obvious trap! Time to crush those 'rebels' before they stab us in the back!
C) This means they're of zero concern of us. Let's continue to the capital and finally claim what's ours!
EDIT: Forgot to include the roll, that's fixed 'v.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 02:52:16 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 02:52:54 pm
On second thought, Cydwyl may not be as close of an ally as before. A may be a better idea.
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 03:00:51 pm
Just try
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 03:04:14 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 03:11:18 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 03:13:31 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 03:17:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 03:53:55 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 03:54:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 04:09:02 pm
1127 AD, Late Spring
And finally, unopposed bar few skirmishes with roving bands of Ansbach loyalists, your Army arrives within hours of the capital city!
The officers ask for the course of action, Your Majesty!
A) Bombard the city and let's be done with it.
B) Besiege the city, and let's hunger do its work.
C) Call for negotiation, and let's reach an agreement.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 04:09:55 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 04:10:32 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 10, 2017, 04:13:00 pm
If he already has rebels in the 1000s then his stats are miserably low. Give it 2 weeks and the people will hand us this fort themselves.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 04:14:18 pm
We didn't come all this way to not shoot a capital city into pieces.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 04:16:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 04:26:52 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 10, 2017, 04:31:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 04:39:21 pm
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It takes less than a day for the walls to be smashed, the houses near them crumpled and smoke to rise from the districts of the proud city.
By the next evening, your officers wonder if they're allowed to assault the city now.
A) Sure thing, bring me the head of Ansbach while you're at it.
B) Naw; you see, that's when you do the diplomacy thing.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 10, 2017, 04:40:58 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 04:42:56 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 04:44:17 pm
This is the diplomacy Ceodwell deserves
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 04:55:55 pm
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Your Army officers didn't account for the citizens of the capital to take on arms in defense of their King! Although that wasn't enough to stop your conquest.
On the dawn of the third morning, King Ansbach is dead, the garrison surrendered and the flag of Methiant flutters above the Ceodwellian palace! If only the city wasn't a cross-patch of ruins, smoldering ruins and hastily dug mass graves.
A) And the banner shall stay up there, because I'm adding Ceodwell to my Kingdom!
B) It is time for the nobles of Ceodwell to swear loyalty to throne of Methiant!
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 04:56:50 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 05:00:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 10, 2017, 05:04:11 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 05:04:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 10, 2017, 05:07:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 05:07:37 pm
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 05:08:08 pm
What is the difference between the two options?
I imagine that B will get us a vassal, that being king shall deal a bit better with local nobility and population
But also it means that they will have full support of peoples and other nobles when it decide to march against us
Voting A maybe it means we will have to deal with all of the riots\kashite raiders\guys on the mines alone, without someone rallying peasants against our enemies
But there won't be an united official banner of ceodwell against us.
Anyway it won't make a big difference. we will spend a LOT of money on rebuilding these parts and a bit of army to taking over the mines and stuff, at least I think that the pop +gold mine will pay it on the long run (even more if it's still considered a trade hub)
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 05:11:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 05:15:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 10, 2017, 05:18:03 pm
Oh yeah. I forgot that most of Ceodwell used to be the trade hub region of Augas. One of the Houlandin kings conquered it from the Pars.Yeah, and "Ceodwell" was the name of one of the Houlandin dynasts (who wasn't ever King because he was 'simple') as well as, apparently, some kind of Luathbas folk hero, so I suspect the name is related.
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 05:19:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 10, 2017, 05:19:33 pm
Congratulations! Cyl I successfully concluded the campaign!
You return triumphiant from Ceodwell and spend few days celebrating as well as rewarding the military officers.
1127 AD, Summer
But few weeks later, the guards arrive in throne room, announcing that you have two guests; one is an envoy from Gubta Empire, and the other from Magraviate of Ysirene, and neither looks extremely pleased, the Gubta one especially so.
A) Let's talk with the Gubta first.
B) Let's talk with the Imperial first.
Post by: ZBridges on December 10, 2017, 05:20:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 10, 2017, 05:20:55 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 05:23:02 pm
I'll say, I really want that damn Gold mine.
I'm also wondering if we should rename our Kingdom Luathbas, just to spit the Empire to the South :/
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 05:24:35 pm
Why hello there!
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 05:29:28 pm
Well I'm sure at this point you guys all know that I support anything to do with Old Luathbas and anything that involves opposing those bastard Damdamians. So I think renaming our Kingdom to Luathbas would be cool.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 05:31:46 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 05:34:50 pm
Not sure why the Gubta are so pissed though, we did remove that usurper who was promising a new era of anti-Gubta policies.
Surely you are joking? They wanted to take the place themselves, preferably peacefully via culture contamination. We just ruined that for all time, well, all time assuming we can hold the place.
Not that I believe we will have any problems holding our new land, just that it will take a while to integrate it.
Post by: melkor on December 10, 2017, 05:39:21 pm
also lets not piss of the south that caused a game end last time
Post by: helmacon on December 10, 2017, 05:41:58 pm
this is gonna be a trip
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 05:45:05 pm
AI'm definitely voting to piss off the South as soon as possible, 'cause I've been itching to give them a beating for some time now, seriously, if we never attack them we all know that they will simply wait for a moment of weakness to get concessions out of us or just plain declare war.
also lets not piss of the south that caused a game end last time
Simply running from the fight all the time isn't going to help, we need to face them at some point.
I also really want that gold mine, in case people didn't get this yet :P
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2017, 05:48:42 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 10, 2017, 05:53:43 pm
Also I can't wait to see the next Map since we've added so much land to our Kingdom now. I mean if our Lord of Spam Haspen ever decides to make another one that is.
It's the same map but now Ceodwell is Methiant-colored.
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 06:08:48 pm
Also I can't wait to see the next Map since we've added so much land to our Kingdom now. I mean if our Lord of Spam Haspen ever decides to make another one that is.
It's the same map but now Ceodwell is Methiant-colored.
Didn't we also conquer the Hurtling since the last map?
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 06:09:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 10, 2017, 06:15:19 pm
It will be nice once we integrate them into our army.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 10, 2017, 06:39:24 pm
If we deal with the guy sitting on "our" gold mine first we'll have a better idea how much we can afford when Gubta inevitably makes demands. May I please remind you that our army is quite a bit down at the moment, some time to replenish the ranks before
Post by: Culise on December 10, 2017, 07:03:20 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 10, 2017, 07:20:04 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 07:36:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 07:47:14 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 10, 2017, 09:02:36 pm
1119 AD, End of the YearSpoiler: The Big-Ass Scroll with Map of Neighbourhood On It (click to show/hide)
For reference. Also, Gubta first.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 10, 2017, 09:06:43 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 10, 2017, 09:53:01 pm
A
Post by: Weirdsound on December 10, 2017, 10:09:42 pm
Looking at the map, we share no border with The Empire, and only a small border with the Gubta. As long as we can station troops in the eastern-most part of what used to be Ceodwell, neither party will be able to easily attack us without arranging to march troops through another nation's territory.
Does anybody know how our relations stand with the Kashites?
I'm not sure if we will ever get the option, but I think unless somebody pisses us off, our next target should be the Tiftit Hurthlings; We know our war machines just wreck the little folks, and holding Tiftit territory means we threaten the remaining Eastern civs from two directions.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 10, 2017, 10:17:00 pm
Tbf, it's fair enough that one missed it... It was a very short war.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 10, 2017, 10:27:41 pm
I think we already conquered the Hurthlings.
Tbf, it's fair enough that one missed it... It was a very short war.
I'm 90% sure the Hurthlings we conquered were already on land we claimed. One of the two green spots within Methiant's borders... I could be wrong though.
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 10:33:56 pm
I think we already conquered the Hurthlings.
Tbf, it's fair enough that one missed it... It was a very short war.
I'm 90% sure the Hurthlings we conquered were already on land we claimed. One of the two green spots within Methiant's borders... I could be wrong though.
We already kicked them from our lands
The ones that appeared later from the second famine wasn't settling.
By the way, our kingdom will have a really weird shape now with the tifit kingdom and the ceodwell
I don't know if we are going to look like a pair of horns or a beak
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 10:37:08 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 10, 2017, 10:39:35 pm
I say if they ask for some tribute we give it to them. Buy off the senate with some gold and we can go about our business. That way is south and west, not east.
Post by: Arlos on December 10, 2017, 10:40:46 pm
Yes... but lets play nice?
I say if they ask for some tribute we give it to them. Buy off the senate with some gold and we can go about our business. That way is south and west, not east.
No
At least as far I am concerned, you can vote wathever you want :)
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 10, 2017, 10:42:30 pm
Better to piss off one empire at a time, not two.
Post by: omada on December 10, 2017, 10:44:51 pm
We should regenerate our army and do a bit of strength show on the orcs of the iron bone mountains. Maybe make them bow/respect/fear us while we build a bit of outposts there, just preparing against an future attack
(this if we don't jump in problems right now.)
Post by: mightymushroom on December 10, 2017, 11:09:02 pm
Some people may carry animus toward the Damdamians left over from previous games, but right now they have never voiced any quarrel with Methiant. (There is a sort of general zealotry against the world, but not us specifically.) I agree that it would be better not to anger both southern powers at the same time. I say if we can afford it we should suck it up and pay them both off for the time being; but if we can only afford one proposal then my guess is maintaining neutrality with the Empire is likely to be a longer lasting benefit. In fact, if we keep cool maybe the spymaster can plant some evidence or something and play them against each other: they share a border and probably aren't too friendly.
Kashites I think are more or less neutral toward us; they did bite off a chunk of Gubta in the past but I don't know what their recent history is like for being our ally on that front. Farther east, we've turned down two trades with the Shahshans and they probably don't care to help us but you never know.
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 12:51:02 am
The fat man in opulent robes storms into the throne room.
"King Cyl of Methiant! The Emperor of all Gubta demands to be paid!"
"Why should we pay him anything?" The Advisor asks, stirring up the Gubta even more.
"Kingdom of Ceodwell has a debt to us for services of our mercenaries and most importantly, services of our Oliphaunts that cannot be so easily replaced! The Emperor says there shall be consequences if the remainder of the money in the agreement is not sent this year."
A) "Let's not be too hasty here, shall we mayhaps reach some sort of agreement?"
B) "He had dealings with Kingdom of Ceodwell, and that Kingdom is no more. Begone!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 11, 2017, 12:52:11 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 11, 2017, 12:53:43 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 01:03:07 am
Lets hear what he has in mind. If it is completely unreasonable, we can tell him to fuck off.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 11, 2017, 01:13:00 am
Post by: helmacon on December 11, 2017, 01:18:40 am
Is he asking us to pay his for the forces he sent against us?
You backed the wrong dude, Mr. Gubta. Your dude lost. If you wanted us to pay you, you should have picked our side.
Best tell him to fuck off.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 01:22:43 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 01:27:13 am
Are these... uhh... the Oliphaunts we had to fight last time?
Is he asking us to pay his for the forces he sent against us?
You backed the wrong dude, Mr. Gubta. Your dude lost. If you wanted us to pay you, you should have picked our side.
Best tell him to fuck off.
I agree with you, but I also kinda want time for our army to recoup before we go in and kick their ass. We can get our money back and then some when we move on to their lands.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 11, 2017, 02:57:24 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 04:17:24 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 07:51:39 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 11, 2017, 09:00:21 am
Post by: melkor on December 11, 2017, 09:09:12 am
But, the Margrave controls the gold mine, Gupta can go to them for payment.While i agree with the reason i prefer A
hey you want money wel these guys control the goldmine go bother them.
also i wonder where exactly the gold mines are cause there is a big mountain range between Ceodwell and margrave of Ysirene.
also also is he demanding that we pay him for the mercs that where used against us! what a piece of shit.
also also also yes i really want a update map that way i know if my little surprise is accurate.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 09:15:33 am
A
Yes, he apparently means the oliphaunts used against us (and possibly against Ansbach's rebellion, too: it was a long-term contract). Last time we saw Gubta's army, they were hiring out a force in the 8,000 to 10,000 range. Ours is currently about 4,000 and would probably have even or -1 rolls against them.
When working out a payment plan, our income varies from 1 to 3 per year, depending on variable trade deals. The expected value in any given year is under 2; I don't know if Haspen will let us institute any cost saving measures (for instance, we expanded our army budget but the army has shrunk recently).
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 11, 2017, 09:18:00 am
Post by: omada on December 11, 2017, 09:40:49 am
A, if we want to set ourselves up as the legitimate successor state of Ceodwell we need to be willing to pay their debts.
Were not his child to have debt as heritage, we are Ceodwells killer, they fucking want us to pay for the Oliphaunts that killed our men, the fuck?
Anyway A never hurts
Depending on the absurdity of the demand we can say fuck you or we pay it if you come back with the spice trade, because fuck rivalry spices are the best
Post by: milo christiansen on December 11, 2017, 10:05:12 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 01:34:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 01:42:01 pm
You decide to reach some sort of agreement. It turns out that Calahan III has written down a contract with the Gubta as 'King of Ceodwell' rather than using his regnal name to sign the papers. The Gubta, ever feeling exploitative, tried to impose the treaty on Ansbach (but he died, funny how that happens sometimes), and now are pursuing the closest they have to King of Ceodwell - and because Ceodwell is now yours, the Gubta decided to bother you.
Apparently, most of the money has been paid off, but there are still some leftovers, over which you try to negotiate.
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You believe you might've accidentally insulted the Gubta Emperor himself during the negotiations. Pray heavens that the emissary, who stubbornly demands the full remainder of the debt to be paid, doesn't report that to his master.
Oh, the remainder of unpaid debt is equal to yearly amount of taxes Methiant acquires due to its high headcount as of late.
A) Fine, we can pay that.
B) That's too much, buzz off!
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 01:49:09 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 01:49:32 pm
Seems okay.
A
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 01:52:30 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 11, 2017, 01:52:51 pm
Swallow your pride and do what's good for the kingdom.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 11, 2017, 01:56:18 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 01:56:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 02:08:32 pm
Then the envoy from Margraviate of Ysirene is let in.
"Greetings, Cyl of Methiant! I'm here to announce that the Margrave of Ysirene has decided that the gold mines once owned by Calahan III of Ceodwell will be returned to you, provided you will send half of the gold bullion processed there to the Margrave's treasury for next five years."
A) "Fine, we will be profiting from this anyway."
B) "Can't we negotiate something else?"
C) "That mine is mine, and he better gives it back!"
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 02:09:45 pm
Seems fair.
A
Post by: Arlos on December 11, 2017, 02:12:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 02:14:37 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 11, 2017, 02:22:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 02:29:51 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 11, 2017, 02:33:11 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 02:35:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 02:38:27 pm
1127 AD, Midsummer
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1to3
The ketton cloth arrives and pays for itself, but that's all.
1127 AD, Late Summer
Speaking of ketton cloth, there are few trade envoys from the Kashites.
"Greetings, King Cyl! Our newest master, King Shapur V, has heard that your traders have access to this sturdy ye soft and warm cloth, what is the word for it, 'ketton'? Shapur has been long since looking for new fabric to sew into our soldiers' uniforms, and this cloth could be just what he needs. Can we ask that you give us a load of this fabric to take with us, so that King Shapur himself might determine if its worth his notice?"
You mention to them that this year's caravan has already arrived and the cloth has been sold. That doesn't quell their enthusiasm.
"Next year, perhaps?" You decide to...
A) Send the next year caravan of cloth to the Kashite Kingdom.
B) Demand discussion on monetary reward first.
C) Deny the Kashites and King Shapur the fabled ketton cloth.
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 02:43:45 pm
Possible later Reward for action now, without a chance of them wanting their cash back.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 02:47:38 pm
I'm pretty sure the cloth helps our happiness score, which will likely need all the help it can get after nomnomnoming another kingdom. I'd rather not part with it unless the payment is very good.
Also, there is a very real chance we just decide to invade the Kashites at a later date.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 02:48:32 pm
Gotta start off on the right foot with our neighbors. You only make a first impression once!
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 02:54:01 pm
The cloth has never yet helped our happiness score. Results are 1to3) we don't lose money, or 4to6) we gain one money. We haven't seen a hypothetical 7 from being Lucky. Even if they only pay one/year we come out ahead over time.
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 03:05:40 pm
1127 AD, Winter
Scandal in the court! What has first happened as a rumor now is believed a truth by the majority of your ocurtiers.
Apparently, some maid or other servant saw your beloved wife, Esta of Eldrican, with some young and dashing man at least twice during your last year's absences, feeling rather happy and joyful around the young man, positively identified as Aóndach of Aónwalf, a small hamlet that once laid at the border with Donuth. Since then, she has been seen in company of few other young men, enjoying poetry and literature with them, each vying for as little as a stare to soothe their hearts.
Courtiers believe Esta has cheated upon you, while your wife, in tears, swears that she has done nothing wrong and has no better proof to give than the fact she has been faithful to you and gave you many children.
Your courtiers urge you to give your judgement on this scandalous affair while your wife weeps her eyes out at this shameless accusation of your courtiers. Ultimately, you turn to your wife and say:
A) "Everybody knows that you love me baby, that you've been faithful."
B) "Everybody knows there were so many people you just had to meet... without your clothes!"
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 03:07:08 pm
A
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 03:07:49 pm
If this turns into Segeda all over again . . .
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 03:08:35 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 11, 2017, 03:09:30 pm
Scheming courtiers! Do they not know that she surely must have been spending her time with the sons? We have so many, surely they just forgot a few faces!
Lord knows we've forgotten a few names here and there...
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 03:11:07 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 03:13:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 11, 2017, 03:14:29 pm
She dosent seem the type, but weren't we just supposed to stop the babies for a few years? can we get babies again now?
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 03:15:00 pm
Though in the afternoon, you give the whole scandal a second thought.
A) Nah, really, it's nothing.
B) Maybe I should have someone dig up around Esta's activities.
C) Maybe some snooping around my courtiers is required.
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 03:17:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 03:18:24 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 11, 2017, 03:19:40 pm
Could be useful for a number of reasons outside the scandal.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 03:20:08 pm
Haha! Now we turn the tables on those busybody fucks
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 11, 2017, 03:21:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 03:26:05 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 11, 2017, 03:37:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 03:42:54 pm
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6*
Some sneaking and shadowing later, the agents of the Spymaster bring you their report; apparently, another youth called Dadainn, who was spurned by Esta for rejecting his advances, decided to spin up the rumor.
Your wife later recalls with a blush that she has forgot about that one because since you left, many young noblemen wanted to be friends with 'the most beautiful woman of Methiant', often in hopes of expanding their influence in the court and boast about having 'connections', and she has forgotten the names of few insignificant ones.
The lawmasters easily pull enough charges against the young nobleman to warrant him a lovely stay in royal dungeons.
1127 AD, Midwinter
Gemstones, silver and gold bullion arrives in the Palace.
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2to5
The metals bring some profits to the Treasury as well.
1127 AD, End of the Year
Finally, you can read the Scrolls of Kingdom Status by yourself in the coziness of your bedroom while your wifey is knitting some extra very small socks.
Ah here is the Advisor.
Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 3
Army: 5
"Our Treasury is emptying, my liege. Shall we raise the tax for a year mayhaps?"
A) "Sure."
B) "Nope."
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 03:45:37 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 03:46:00 pm
Post by: melkor on December 11, 2017, 03:46:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 03:47:00 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 11, 2017, 03:48:58 pm
We have a vast kingdom now. Won't be long before our population supplies the coffers.
Post by: Arlos on December 11, 2017, 03:55:05 pm
Do we still have troops protecting that small Kingdom to the south?
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 03:55:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 04:00:54 pm
I'm surprised we didn't get any population from the halfling lands or Ceodwell.
I'm actually dividing the population by amount of land. Thickly populated small lands = big population. Vast lands with sparse settlements = small population. Neither Hurthlings nor Ceodwells had any metropolises going (nor unhabitated wastelands) around so the population score remains stable until some baby boom/bubonic plague/something else kicks in.
You decide to not raise the taxes.
1128 AD, Spring
Apparently the mixture of beliefs and philosophies that is Enyntheism is far more popular than anyone thought previously.
This spiritual movement since the Council of Luathbas has gathered tens of thousands of adherents thorough your whole Kingdom. Even today young acolytes of Singularism or practicants of Pantheon discard their veils and robes and seek spiritual and intellectual enlightement amongst the Enyntheists. This cult has reached so much attention (and support from important people) that Enyn has been declared 'The First Master' and has apparently founded the headquarters of the faith in the city of Feinn in far west of Methiant, in the lands that were once Kingdom of Felonsein.
A) That's a bit too much and too fast for my liking. I ought to curb this revolutionary movement!
B) Hey, it's a faith just like many others. If they're successful, that's not my problem.
C) Truly, the Enyntheism *the* new, true faith of Methiant peoples. I should support it myself!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 04:02:25 pm
C
Post by: crazyabe on December 11, 2017, 04:03:17 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 04:05:04 pm
Free marketplace of religions, baby! This is what was agreed upon and so that's what we'll have.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 04:08:59 pm
. . . while your wifey is knitting some extra very small socks.Hmm, could it be good news for once . . . ;D
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 04:11:30 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 11, 2017, 04:15:25 pm
B is best, if possible I want a secular-ish state.
Post by: helmacon on December 11, 2017, 04:35:33 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 11, 2017, 04:40:53 pm
Haspen, can we rename ourselve Luathbas?+1
B is best, if possible I want a secular-ish state.
Post by: Haspen on December 11, 2017, 04:50:44 pm
Are other things relative as well? Like now that we're twice as big, is our army also going to be twice as large at the same number, since we're attracting the attention of the big boys with all this expansion, it'd be nice to be able to punch at their level as well.
I ought to start scaling that up too, huh? Soon, yes.
You decide not to interfere with the natural order of things.
1128 AD, Mid-Spring
Your wife gives birth to a healthy baby boy! She names him 'Eivan' after a heroic warlord popular amongst commoners of the early 11th century.
1128 AD, Late Spring
Tutors of your twin sons, Leath and Tywynn, are pleased to announce that the two boys are showing promise of being great rulers. Leath is a charismatic young fellow with some skill with lute and bard's feather, while Tywynn shapes up to be a master of martial arts, especially spear-and-shield fighting as well as troop leading.
1128 AD, Summer
The annual caravan of ketton cloth arrives at the capital. Per your promise to Shapur, it is re-packed and then sent eastwards under your soldiers' guard to the Kashites.
Few days later, it seems that a champion barbarian of sorts have arrived at your capital. Calling himself 'Undar the Deathless', he issued a challenge to all who feel worthy; the man who bests him will receive his full-gold necklace, claymore forged of pure dwarven steel and the plate armor adorned with highest quality elven lacquer plates - items he earned from over twenty years of traveling and questing and fighting.
Of course, the duel is to the death.
Much to your wife's horror, Tywynn boasts aloud he himself is worthy of dueling this 'Undar'!
A) Tywynn ain't going because I'm going myself!!
B) Is the kid mad? He ain't going to challege Undar, so speaketh myself!
C) Sure, I have high hopes in Tywynn martial skills - and think of prestige we earn from victory over this traveling champion!
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 11, 2017, 04:55:56 pm
I hope he doesn't die, but even if he does it'd settle the matter of succession nicely.
Post by: Imic on December 11, 2017, 04:57:27 pm
CI think that's a wonderful quote, but I'm not supporting letting our son be killed by a barbarian. Dunno what to support actually.
I hope he doesn't die, but even if he does it'd settle the matter of succession nicely.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 11, 2017, 04:59:19 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 11, 2017, 05:07:02 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 11, 2017, 05:08:23 pm
C, we have an heir, and plenty of spares.+1, and pray for a good roll.
Post by: helmacon on December 11, 2017, 05:08:38 pm
C
I hope he doesn't die, but even if he does it'd settle the matter of succession nicely.
That's so goddamn Cold
If he wins, we have to make him first in line over his brother, agreed?
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 05:08:54 pm
C) is a terrible way to treat our kid (he's 13!), even if we lend him the tunic (especially if he loses and Undar takes the tunic)
So I have to say B
Post by: Criptfeind on December 11, 2017, 05:10:03 pm
If we wins we need to make a position like "kings champion" or something for him though. That martial ability gota be put to use for the kingdom, even if he's not king at the end.
I ought to start scaling that up too, huh? Soon, yes.
Maybe we need the fabled 5th stat, absolute size.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 11, 2017, 05:11:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 11, 2017, 05:14:19 pm
Besides, if we die, our heir is no longer bound by the East = Good, West = Bad military prophecy
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 11, 2017, 05:28:04 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 11, 2017, 05:36:51 pm
Post by: omada on December 11, 2017, 05:36:59 pm
B
(Although I like the idea of C a lot, we can get rid of a succession crisis and civil war, although I would like to see Leath "Cyl II the charismatic" on the throne and Tywynnn the champion leading the battles, or even both on the field, one subjugating armies other negotiating surrender)
Hey, we just need a wise kid and we can have somehow a bonus for all areas "Oh yes you want to negotiate this, come here wise kid, what do you think my son? Oh, such a great opportunity I would lose, talk with my son Leath he will give you a nice contract, don't travel near Ironbone mountains, my dear Tywynn is dealing with an orc plage"
Weird, sometimes the prophecy can be inherited, Estwalf the lizard slayer died before his prophetic dream came true.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 11, 2017, 05:41:32 pm
If he wins, we have to make him first in line over his brother, agreed?
Thought of this while eating dinner and had to hurry back to my computer:
Sure, Tywynn is Martial. Put him in charge of the army.
But Leath, the heir, is Charismatic. He can keep his brother and the rest of the generals loyal while he makes trade and peace deals. It's a once-in-a-kingdom opportunity to have the best of both worlds if we can pull it off.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 11, 2017, 05:57:50 pm
Rest in peace.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 11, 2017, 06:59:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 12:05:51 am
Weird, sometimes the prophecy can be inherited, Estwalf the lizard slayer died before his prophetic dream came true.
Yes, but if I recall correctly, the prophesied penalty for going West is violent death for Cyl. Kind of hard to inherit somebody else's violent death.
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 12:26:38 am
5b
5c
Tie again v;
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 12, 2017, 12:27:03 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 12:33:56 am
Post by: helmacon on December 12, 2017, 12:38:54 am
Post by: Baffler on December 12, 2017, 12:52:08 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 12, 2017, 12:54:37 am
Post by: melkor on December 12, 2017, 06:43:15 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 12, 2017, 07:57:20 am
He CAN DO IT!!!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 12, 2017, 08:29:33 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 12, 2017, 10:24:11 am
I can't see that either Cyl or Tywynn has a great chance; a professional barbarian like this must have his own bonuses at least as good if not better.
I don't agree that eliminating Tywynn prevents future trouble; those events proc on their own schedule and at most it swaps out a figurehead.
Eliminating Cyl is maybe an advantage if you really want a time skip to Leath; but I no longer think the prophecy is a big deal.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 12, 2017, 10:50:28 am
I don't agree that eliminating Tywynn prevents future trouble; those events proc on their own schedule and at most it swaps out a figurehead.
Too be fair, even if this is the case (which I'm not sure...) having the "figurehead" have martial is a pretty bad thing and worth avoiding.
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 11:28:28 am
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The worst (and obvious) happens rather quick; Tywynn lasts several seconds before Undar's claymore cleaves him from top of his head to the ribcage.
Your courtiers believe this should not stand! This is a regicide of a sheeple, something that shouldn't be allowed to go unpunished. Undar should be brought into dungeon for his crime!
A) Obviously! To the dungeon with the savage barbarian and murderer of my son!
B) Tis was a fair duel to death that both accepted, and therefore, its laws are above us!
Post by: Criptfeind on December 12, 2017, 11:30:09 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 12, 2017, 11:31:49 am
Let this be a lesson about talking shit when you can't deliver.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 12, 2017, 11:31:57 am
Post by: Imic on December 12, 2017, 11:39:03 am
Post by: crazyabe on December 12, 2017, 11:49:55 am
Post by: Baffler on December 12, 2017, 11:52:51 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 12, 2017, 11:55:53 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 12, 2017, 12:08:15 pm
I don't agree that eliminating Tywynn prevents future trouble; those events proc on their own schedule and at most it swaps out a figurehead.Too be fair, even if this is the case (which I'm not sure...) having the "figurehead" have martial is a pretty bad thing and worth avoiding.
I am willing to examine evidence that a twin guarantees hardships. My view is that Cyl has faced a civil war by his uncle (who had openly supported Yoe's line twice earlier!) and a plot involving his younger brother; I don't think twinship is inherently more risky.
Touché on the trait, but I question is the end worth the means? If Tywynn were to succeed in an alternate timeline, then mightn't we switch to a ruler with the martial trait?
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 12, 2017, 12:11:42 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 12, 2017, 12:14:15 pm
dude we LITERALLY asked for this
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 12:16:59 pm
Your wife slams the door in front of your face when you come to share the bed with her, and, after unsuccessfully arguing that it is your bed, you decide to sleep on the royal couch tonight.
1128 AD, Midsummer
Enyntheism grows stronger day by day. Just now, the adherents of the young cult has gained a prominent ally in the person of governor of Luathbas himself, who decreed that he will sponsor construction of grand new Temple, upsetting other religious leaders who had the town's budget allocated to renovation of their shrines.
Do you avoid it this time? Of course not! The upset high clerics of Singularism, Pantheonism and Alldivinism has come in person to you, demanding you curb this violent and subvertive new faith.
A) I won't, and neither will you!
B) I can try something? A letter maybe?
C) Stop bothering me and do it yourselves!
Post by: milo christiansen on December 12, 2017, 12:20:09 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 12, 2017, 12:25:25 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 12, 2017, 12:27:47 pm
I am willing to examine evidence that a twin guarantees hardships. My view is that Cyl has faced a civil war by his uncle (who had openly supported Yoe's line twice earlier!) and a plot involving his younger brother; I don't think twinship is inherently more risky.
I'm not saying twins "guarantees" hardship, just that I don't see any reason to think there's a ticking schedule that says something like "in 27 years there will be a rebellion." Events in this game are (I'm fairly sure) made up by Haspen whenever he wants to see something or when he thinks something makes sense, heck, sometimes he even forgets about them! So, if he decides he wants a rebellion to happen, it'll absolutely happen, we can't stop that. (The rebellions at like 6 happiness proved that!) but if he thinks that a twin might cause a rebellion then it absolutely will. All we can really do is try to guess.
As for the current vote: A
Post by: ZBridges on December 12, 2017, 02:09:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 12, 2017, 02:17:24 pm
Tywynn lasts several seconds before Undar's claymore cleaves him from top of his head to the ribcage.:o
B
Post by: mightymushroom on December 12, 2017, 02:18:13 pm
Ah, so it was my use of the word 'schedule:' no, I agree that there is unlikely to be a timetable so far in advance. (There have been one or two places where it seems a roll of the die is made.) I merely meant what you say, "we can't stop that." We seem to reach opposite conclusions, even so, depending on how we place the burden of guessing for an uncommitted future.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 02:35:53 pm
We can't have state sponsored religion.
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 12, 2017, 02:52:27 pm
C, anyway.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 12, 2017, 03:06:46 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 12, 2017, 03:12:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 03:15:00 pm
You gnaw on the quill because you're conflicted - you meddled in religious matters with the COuncil yet wish to maintain neutrality! How you should compose the letter, because you feel either way something might go wrong. And possibly will.
A) It will be a polite suggestion not to stir zealotry of opposite faith with that temple project.
B) It will be a request to not sponsor the grand temple of such young cult in such important city as Luathbas.
C) It will be an order to cease construction of the temple to help maintain peace and harmony within the Kingdom.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 12, 2017, 03:16:42 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 12, 2017, 03:21:06 pm
Post by: melkor on December 12, 2017, 03:31:54 pm
first renovate the shrines then you can sponsor the temple.
a good governor holds his promises and doesn't let his feelings decide where the money goes.
Post by: Arlos on December 12, 2017, 03:32:26 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 12, 2017, 03:38:03 pm
B
first renovate the shrines then you can sponsor the temple.
a good governor holds his promises and doesn't let his feelings decide where the money goes.
Same reason, but phrased like A.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 12, 2017, 03:43:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 04:07:04 pm
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Later on you learn that your suggestion has been 'thought over' and he will consider shifting some expenses for renovations, but promises nothing.
1128 AD, Autumn
You receive a letter from the Arch-Patriarch of Alldivine Cloisters.
In the lengthy letter, he first attempts to mellow your incoming wrath with praises of your wise leadership and magnaminous conquests.
Then he quickly descends into your latest inability to deal with the rising new threat to the harmony of Methiant, the threat being of course Enyntheism. While he understands your need to pursue the ancient and sacred policies of tolerance that always been prominent in the region, he feels that you are simply blind to the potential danger of this new cult that equally stirs all three major faiths of Methiant.
Therefore, he demands that you, the King of Methiant, take the steps to preserve the Kingdom, or otherwise he will have no other option but no longer consider your family worthy of Alldivine attention - in other words, he will excommunicate you!
This will not only annul your marriage with Esta, but also stir up both fellow adherents into action as well as give opportunities to those who would profit from your misfortune.
A) Well, I always wanted to become...
AA) an Enyntheist.
AB) a Singularist.
AC) a Pantheonist.
B) This is terrible, but I cannot simply change the course of the river of fate! Clearly I have to convince the Patriarch.
C) Maybe I should seize up some Enyntheist troublemakers to soothe the Patriarch's mind?
D) So be it - it's time to forcefully stop Enyntheist influence and growth!
//If you want to have Cyl (and his immediate royal family) switch religions, please type AA, AB or AC instead of just A.
Post by: Iituem on December 12, 2017, 04:20:50 pm
That said, I wouldn't oppose a shift to Enyntheism if we feel we are going to have to wage a war against the Alldivines - if they excommunicate us, we might as well switch.
Post by: Arlos on December 12, 2017, 04:28:36 pm
I feel everyone need a good Reminder about who is calling the shot around :/
I'd have followed the Enyntheist if not for the fact that apparently some of our governor prefer listening to them rather than us...
Yeah, everyone need some reminding...
D
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 12, 2017, 04:30:35 pm
We should really consider just worshipping that nature spirit who hangs out in the deer, he's a pretty swell bro.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 12, 2017, 04:31:14 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 12, 2017, 04:32:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 04:38:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 12, 2017, 04:41:28 pm
Pretty sure that abomination was Sorceress fuckery.
Post by: Arlos on December 12, 2017, 04:44:21 pm
B
Pretty sure that abomination was Sorceress fuckery.
Uh, I alway thought it had to do with the meteorite. Maybe there is an army of those thing multiplying somewhere out there...
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 04:50:03 pm
1128 AD, Mid-Autumn
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The reply arrives, and you feel nervous while breaking the seal and opening the letter.
Fortunately, the Arch-Patriarch decided not to excommunicate you. Howerver, he warns you that he cannot stand aside and watch the wildfire of Enyntheism devour Methiant. If you do not take any measures, he - and Alldivine Cloisters themselves - will.
You feel you cannot simply try to avoid the issues or adopt a neutral stance here.
A) I ought to help promote other faiths as well.
B) I ought to curb Enyntheism's influences in the Kingdom.
C) Maybe if I 'donate' on the altars of Alldivines, all will be well?
Post by: Arlos on December 12, 2017, 04:51:17 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 12, 2017, 04:51:53 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 12, 2017, 04:53:54 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 12, 2017, 04:54:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 05:01:47 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 12, 2017, 05:08:20 pm
A will just piss him off more.
Post by: Haspen on December 12, 2017, 05:09:06 pm
A) Donate to renovate their temples and sponsor new shrines.
B) Write royal letters to their temples, and thus, their faithful.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 12, 2017, 05:10:45 pm
We should be able to afford it.
Post by: Baffler on December 12, 2017, 05:11:55 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 12, 2017, 05:12:10 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 12, 2017, 05:30:19 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 12, 2017, 05:32:29 pm
So, Nobody else is alarmed by the fact that one of our governor prefer listenting to the new religion rather than us, the king?
It seems to me a very large proportion of rebellions have been in the "west, the lands that were formerly Felonsein." I'm not sure our rapid conquest came down quite hard enough on them, but its tough to address until they actually try something stupid.
A) Assuming one point for each religion that puts in a pretty deep hole
B) Is a total toss of the dice
A seems more likely to succeed
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 12, 2017, 05:34:40 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 12, 2017, 05:45:17 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 13, 2017, 04:18:47 am
Always is with the priests.
A
Post by: Haspen on December 13, 2017, 05:01:37 pm
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That helps a bit, and the situation quiets down for now.
1128 AD, Winter
Silver and gemstones arrive in the Treasury, and so does the gold.
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Even the various metals mined in the east bring profits.
1128 AD, Midwinter
An envoy arrives from the magistrates currently 'civilizing' Tiftit Hurthlings.
"Greetings, King Cyl! I've come under orders of the magistrates to tell you of the fertile slopes of the Hurthling valley. Our farmers have found out that grapes could be grown there at a large scale, but Hurthling farming system of mixed crops and farmlands is simply incompatible with what your magistrates dream of."
"Therefore, the magistrates ask if, for the good of Methiant - and its coffers - they could be allowed to seize farmlands of smaller families and organize the larger ones so that our viticulturists could begin production of what they already branded as 'Tiftit Grape'."
A) "They're there to civilize the Hurthlings and help them assimilate into Methiant, not to anger them with land grabs!"
B) "That is a good idea, but I need them to find a better solution than to anger Hurthlings."
C) "Splendid idea, and they have my consent and my blessing. The wine must flow!"
Post by: Criptfeind on December 13, 2017, 05:04:52 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 13, 2017, 05:19:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 13, 2017, 05:26:44 pm
I have a feeling that this is going to involve throwing more money at a problem, but buying the lands would likely be a decent investment.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 13, 2017, 05:27:58 pm
Post by: omada on December 13, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
Mines and stuff are nice, I know, I absolutely love them, but wine can be replanted and will not deplete over time; in a nation where we build canons and are almost creating handcannons, it's time to begin grabbing raw material and transforming in craft, this way we can sell it in a higher price, sell gold? No, sell exuberant Methiantese golden masks, beautiful silver statues and scepters, use the exceptional Methiantese coins, of praised purity.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 13, 2017, 05:40:04 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 13, 2017, 05:43:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 13, 2017, 05:47:05 pm
B NOW WE RISE
Mines and stuff are nice, I know, I absolutely love them, but wine can be replanted and will not deplete over time; in a nation where we build canons and are almost creating handcannons, it's time to begin grabbing raw material and transforming in craft, this way we can sell it in a higher price, sell gold? No, sell exuberant Methiantese golden masks, beautiful silver statues and scepters, use the exceptional Methiantese coins, of praised purity.
We could still deplete the soil if we are not careful and overplant the grapes... but I get your point.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 13, 2017, 06:44:52 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 13, 2017, 07:24:40 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on December 13, 2017, 07:27:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 13, 2017, 07:47:13 pm
Their mix is what makes soil work. Trying to just run it over with a vineyard will probably make em a bit angry and ruin the crops for everyone else.
Post by: vastaghen12 on December 13, 2017, 08:22:53 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 13, 2017, 08:31:12 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 13, 2017, 08:39:00 pm
B
Post by: Criptfeind on December 13, 2017, 10:06:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 13, 2017, 10:07:42 pm
Post by: Culise on December 13, 2017, 11:46:27 pm
EDIT: Actually, some of this material on the use of cover crops to maintain soil health in vineyards is kinda interesting, but let's not derail...
Anywho, A. While I don't mind if they buy the land fairly, I don't trust them to do so after their first impulse was land seizures.
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 12:47:32 am
1129 AD, End of the Year
That time of the year again.
Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 4
Army: 6
You rub your noble chin. Not much to work here with.
1130 AD, Spring
While you're reading the daily herald's scroll about happenings in capital and nearby, one of your courtiers, a known diplomat, arrives in your chambers.
"Sire, do you have a moment?"
"Mm."
"It's about Leath."
"Mm?"
"He wants to marry a commoner."
You slowly put down the scroll and look at the diplomat.
He explains that, few days ago, Leath apparently met this Ysa, and she's is a pickpocket.
If Leath's story is to be believed, he was walking through the temple area, and then Ysa stole his coinpurse (literally), and after he caught her, she stole his heart (metaphorically), and at an inn during the night, she stole his virginity (Leath didn't want to cough up details here, so your courtier is skeptical about this one) as well. And because Leath might've read too many fantasy books, he believes he is obliged to marry Ysa and become father of her kids.
"Where is Leath and this Ysa girl"?
"Leath is in his chambers, under guard that Advisor placed there on my recommendation. We haven't found the girl yet." This is a potential disaster to your prestige and dynasty!
In regards to Leath...
A) Release him from his chambers as you have to talk with him.
B) Keep him under guard and lock for now.
In regards of the heart-stealing Ysa the Thief.
A) Have the guards find her.
B) Ignore her for now.
//Remember, no split votes.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 14, 2017, 12:57:28 am
I don't think we'll get super far with a kid that's known to be charismatic, but let's see what happens anyway.
Post by: helmacon on December 14, 2017, 01:37:21 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 14, 2017, 01:41:25 am
Lets let her alone while we talk to the son. I doubt she will find a magic wishing shoe.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 14, 2017, 02:12:17 am
Post by: Imic on December 14, 2017, 02:44:38 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 14, 2017, 02:49:07 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 14, 2017, 02:52:47 am
We're not savages, I think we can let them marry.
We're not savages, how can we ever let them marry.
Post by: Arlos on December 14, 2017, 03:08:24 am
Post by: Taricus on December 14, 2017, 03:52:12 am
We're probably want to get the entire story straight before doing anything, and that means finding the pickpocket. And we're gonna have to lecture the kid about such fantasy stories.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 14, 2017, 04:47:36 am
We're not savages, how can we ever let them marry.
Every now and then you gotta get a commoner in there to keep the inbreeding down, it's not exactly common sense but it works.
Post by: Imic on December 14, 2017, 07:45:41 am
That's my point.We're not savages, how can we ever let them marry.
Every now and then you gotta get a commoner in there to keep the inbreeding down, it's not exactly common sense but it works.
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 07:46:25 am
Post by: melkor on December 14, 2017, 07:47:08 am
Post by: Draignean on December 14, 2017, 08:00:10 am
That's my point.We're not savages, how can we ever let them marry.
Every now and then you gotta get a commoner in there to keep the inbreeding down, it's not exactly common sense but it works.
AA
Just giver her a title like 'princess of thieves', and it'll all be good. Right? Right.
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 14, 2017, 10:21:48 am
Post by: milo christiansen on December 14, 2017, 11:27:26 am
And I'm leaning twords allowing them to marry, if they are actually interested and she isn't a total little savage.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 14, 2017, 12:11:03 pm
(The first) A because we definitely want to talk to our son before deciding anything permanent.
(The second) B since there's little need to find her until we've had that talk . . . and if she disappears while we dither, that will be a good lesson on why marriages should be arranged from birth (or sooner, like ours was) by adults for purely political reasons. Not that we've had any offers, which in this case reduces complications, thankfully. On the other hand if she sticks around, that will indicate at least a small kernel of character we can build on. Give her an elf cloak and maybe she can be Leath's Spymaster.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 14, 2017, 12:42:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 01:58:09 pm
ab ab ab ab ab ab
You decide to have Leath released while the guards and agents are sent to the capital city to find and capture Ysa the thief.
Even before your son arrives in your chambers, you know it will be a hard conversation.
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You can't get to an agreement. Leath in fact claims to have seduces Ysa with the help of his lute, and she is innocent of all but stealing few of his ducats (which he persuaded to have her give them back). He refuses to collaborate on 'having virginity stolen' although that vivid blush on his face might give a clue or two.
You decide to...
A) Threaten to disown him if he ever again goes this close to damaging the reputation of the family and the kingdom.
B) Attempt to persuade him to marry some noblewoman of minor standing.
C) Ask him what is he going to do with Ysa and this whole situation next.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 14, 2017, 02:03:07 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 14, 2017, 02:04:15 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 14, 2017, 02:07:37 pm
Post by: omada on December 14, 2017, 02:09:41 pm
We're not savages, how can we ever let them marry.
Every now and then you gotta get a commoner in there to keep the inbreeding down, it's not exactly common sense but it works.
Do that with our third child, or give the hand to a hero, or just let the minor nobleman do that. Not the fucking heir.
C
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 02:10:45 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 14, 2017, 02:11:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 02:21:17 pm
"I will marry her, be the father of her children, and help her live a life she never had before!"
A) "Insolent brat, you do want to bring ruin to our family! To the dungeon with you!!"
B) "Fine, but you will do that as a commoner yourself and outside the palace!"
C) "No no and no! You will marry a noblewoman for benefit of our family and Kingdom!"
D) "Fine, but I'm going to replace you as a heir with Ustwelf!"
E) "Do that if you want, even if I really can't endorse this union!"
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 02:26:25 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 14, 2017, 02:29:45 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 14, 2017, 02:31:08 pm
Post by: Draignean on December 14, 2017, 02:33:57 pm
Our wife may shank us.
Post by: Arlos on December 14, 2017, 02:34:36 pm
Marrying a thief to our heir might just start a civil war, so it's absolutely a no.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 14, 2017, 02:38:14 pm
Do it.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 14, 2017, 02:38:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
Few hours later, while Leath is all happy in his chambers, Ysa is brought to you in shackles. The Spymaster's agents had no trouble ambushing her while she was sneaking about the city gates, perhaps to escape (she didn't tell). From her looks, she is merely above average, so mayhaps it's her charm that Leath fell for, or maybe it was this fabled 'love on first sight'.
You decide to...
A) Inform Ysa that she will be Leath's wife.
B) Demand some answers from the girl.
C) -
Post by: Draignean on December 14, 2017, 02:52:21 pm
Because nothing makes a relationship natural like being dragged in chain's before the parent of the other and being forced to answer questions.
Post by: Iituem on December 14, 2017, 02:59:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 14, 2017, 03:03:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 14, 2017, 03:12:17 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 14, 2017, 03:15:49 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 03:16:26 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 03:17:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 03:28:51 pm
Ysa retells the tale much like Leath; she bumped at him in the temple area and, seeing in him someone wealthy, she robbed him of his coinpurse. But she underestimated him and after a long run through the alleys, Leath caught her and demanded the return of his money. Apparently out of his good heart, he decided to at least buy her a meal, and then Ysa fell for the prince's charm-
"You fell for him? Leath told me you stole his heart." The girl hmphs.
"I dunno, but did you hear him play th' lute? He be a divine musician, my liege. Is worth fallin' for!"
You then move on to the important part - did the two have sex or not? Ysa's face burns vividly just as Leath but she is much more cooperative in this matter.
"He insisted to buy me a night's stay at an inn, and uhhh, I felt... indebted." The guards snicker and your wife, who arrived few moments prior to hear most of Ysa's confession, rubs her forehead in consternation.
A) "Not only a commoner but also a whore! You shall not marry my son! Guards, to dungeon with her!"
B) "You two are worth of each other. You will become his wife."
C) "How much money would it take for you to leave Methiant indefinitely?"
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 03:31:35 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 14, 2017, 03:34:01 pm
just don't tell him.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 14, 2017, 03:37:04 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 14, 2017, 03:38:30 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 14, 2017, 03:38:39 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 14, 2017, 03:39:12 pm
B A scandal of the moment, but who knows, she might have useful talents. And we're not exactly swimming in other offers right now.
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 14, 2017, 03:39:46 pm
We are allowed to be nice, and we still have. . . four more kids?
Post by: Arlos on December 14, 2017, 03:41:25 pm
Man this is just so troublesome, why can't our heir be a smart person?
Post by: Zetaark on December 14, 2017, 03:42:08 pm
Post by: Draignean on December 14, 2017, 03:43:11 pm
"I dunno, but did you hear him play th' lute? He be a divine musician, my liege. Is worth fallin' for!"
It's Audrey Hepburn. Please tell me it's Audrey Hepburn. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttzV1YoU0uI)
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 14, 2017, 03:45:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 14, 2017, 04:14:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 04:40:04 pm
All hail the mighty Cyl I of Methiant! Slayer of Dwarves, Conqueror of Men and Hurthlings... and total doormat to his own children.
Post by: Haspen on December 14, 2017, 04:40:16 pm
1130 AD, Mid-Spring
A small ceremony there is for marriage of Leath and Ysa. The two are absolutely lost in each other's eyes, and you hear that Ysa is a feisty troublemaker but friend of all peoples that accompanies well Leath's taught propriety and charisma.
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Though the scandalous marriage of a heir to the throne with a lowly commoner girl does not escape the attention of your subjects, unfortunately. Many governors, officers, priests and nobles voice their utter disgust with the decision, and many openly wonder whether you are fit to govern! Those voices are quieted down by your diplomats and envoys, but it's obvious that that happiness and stability of Methiant took a deep plunge.
1130 AD, Late Spring
You hear that King Shapur launched a campaign against the peoples of Shanshan. Apparently his goal is to reclaim lands lost to their rivals few decades ago. Not surprising, this.
Also, tutors and advisors likewise, have little praise for Ustwelf; he didn't excel in any of the fields of study that your courtiers tried to entice him with. All that can be said about him is, perhaps, that he is lucky, having narrowly escaped several standard childhood accidents that would leave others wounded or maybe even crippled.
1130 AD, Summer
There's a major reform going up in the north; apparently, the shrewd King Talon of Cydwyl has long been uspet at the state of royal bureaucracy in his Kingdom, even long before his venerable mother's death, and took it upon himself to change things. Even now, rumors say that many old, corrupt, or both, officials and tax collectors are being imprisoned or executed for their laziness, briberies or even treacheries while regiments of educated youths thake their place under new scheme of bureaucratic organization.
It will take a while to kick in, but Cydwyl's interior policies might finally rise to be equal to its glorious conquests of past decades.
1130 AD, Midsummer
Sad news reach your palace on an otherwise lovely midsummer day - Elran III, King of Eldrican, has passed away after a friendly duel with one of his courtiers ended in a wound; the wound was sealed but an infection kicked in, and Elran's body, already in its late sixties, succumbed to fever after three day fight against it. His son and heir, Edin, has become the new King of Eldrican, taking on regnal name of Daric III, and people say he's a skilled duelist and renowned military leader.
While your wife Esta is bawling her eyes out (even after being comforted by you and the kids), you decide that you should...
A) Visit the glorious country along with your family and pay respects to Elran III's grave.
B) Send a delegation of courtiers who will pay respects to Elran III's grave.
C) Send a letter of condolences to Daric III.
D) Move on to more important things.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 14, 2017, 04:41:57 pm
A damn, I almost forgot he was our wife's father...
Post by: Taricus on December 14, 2017, 04:43:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 04:47:56 pm
Our wife should have the proper opportunity to mourn her father.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 14, 2017, 04:52:48 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 14, 2017, 04:54:09 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 14, 2017, 04:56:49 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 14, 2017, 04:56:54 pm
Our court is unhappy with us. Pissing them off and leaving is just asking for trouble.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 14, 2017, 05:01:35 pm
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Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 05:10:43 pm
I'd were leave Leath behind he should be able to convince everyone to keep a lid on it. He should realise how much he owes his dear old dad.
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Post by: Chevaleresse on December 14, 2017, 05:15:53 pm
A - What they said. If we leave Leath behind he should be able to convince everyone to keep a lid on it. He should realise how much he owes his dear old dad.They're probably angrier with Leath than they are with us.
Edit: proofreading
Post by: helmacon on December 14, 2017, 05:16:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 05:19:08 pm
Also, on the matter of years, We got through half of one in one update without having throw money at anything. Our economy number could wind up looking pretty damn good if this luck keeps up.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 14, 2017, 05:22:56 pm
They're probably angrier with Leath than they are with us.He's charismatic though, so he'd probably still come out ahead.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 14, 2017, 05:38:32 pm
Can we even be overthrown while we're away? SPAMEXILE anyone?
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We got through half of one in one update without having throw money at anything.Don't jinx it!
Post by: Imic on December 14, 2017, 06:11:01 pm
Cyl is an unsympathetic, stupid brat.
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Especially to his poor, long suffering, all-divine cursed wife.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 14, 2017, 08:34:51 pm
Cyl is an unsympathetic, stupid brat.
I see him more as a skilled politician and general who lacks people skills. He was also likely traumatized by his own parent's divorce and living through a civil war against his own uncle. Yeah, he isn't the best at managing his own family, but I wouldn't call him unsympathetic.
Post by: Twinwolf on December 14, 2017, 08:59:54 pm
And yeaaaah I don't see "spent a significant portion of his childhood in a civil war" as leading to great people skills.
Post by: Imic on December 15, 2017, 02:28:30 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 15, 2017, 03:05:00 am
Is Cyl's "evil witch" of a mother still alive? With all the crazy shit going on in our family, it might be to our benefit to invite her to the palace to help run our household.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 15, 2017, 09:31:12 am
It's not hard to guess how his familial relations boil down to, "Please don't yell at me."
The same refrain is pretty much his whole domestic policy, especially toward religion.
It might even explain how his most coherent foreign agenda is following the decade-old advice of a talking bird no one else ever saw.
And you want to bring Segeda back for more? He'll never have a chance to grow up.
I really, really wish Gedavina hadn't died young. (Yoe II's first wife, by way of reminder.) She may have gossiped a bit but she had some wise insights wrapped up in a cheerful and fluffy exterior. What could have been . . .
Post by: helmacon on December 15, 2017, 11:31:45 am
Thinking of Cyl's family: the combative and finally divorced parents, the charismatic but viperous uncle, the stuck-up kid brother . . .she is not die, she is sneaky zombie queen forever.
It's not hard to guess how his familial relations boil down to, "Please don't yell at me."
The same refrain is pretty much his whole domestic policy, especially toward religion.
It might even explain how his most coherent foreign agenda is following the decade-old advice of a talking bird no one else ever saw.
And you want to bring Segeda back for more? He'll never have a chance to grow up.
I really, really wish Gedavina hadn't died young. (Yoe II's first wife, by way of reminder.) She may have gossiped a bit but she had some wise insights wrapped up in a cheerful and fluffy exterior. What could have been . . .
Post by: Weirdsound on December 15, 2017, 01:54:24 pm
And you want to bring Segeda back for more? He'll never have a chance to grow up.
To be fair, Cyl has turned pretty much everything that he touched outside his family to gold. I'm fine with him the way he is, serious warts and all. We don't need him to 'grow up', but some more help with his family would be nice, and I'd be willing to give an older, wiser, Segeda who doesn't have to worry about fighting to put her offspring on the throne a chance to help out and play the role of cool grandma.
Post by: birdy51 on December 15, 2017, 02:29:01 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2017, 03:04:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 15, 2017, 03:06:10 pm
I'd be willing to give an older, wiser, Segeda who doesn't have to worry about fighting to put her offspring on the throne a chance to help out and play the role of cool grandma.
I guess I don't have
All I know is, we'll probably want to make it up to the missus somehow. I don't think we can build enough libraries to repair this one.
After losing a son and a father she'll probably push to outlaw dueling. Which actually we don't need so much with a professional army.
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2017, 03:07:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 17, 2017, 05:41:53 am
As the horses file out of the palace, carrying you, your family, courtiers and guards, you think momentarily about how lengthy the rule of Elran was, and of course one can't forget Queen Dogethe who was in power since the days of your grandfather Yoe I.
A week later, while your group is moving through the western part of Methiant, your forward guards fly back to you.
"Sire, there's an angry mob in the nearest village! They seem bent on intercepting you and listing their grievances to you!"
A) "We will evade them, I don't want my wife to be troubled."
B) "Lead them here then, I will talk to them."
C) "Take some soldiers and make sure the villagers behave as we move past it."
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Post by: Haspen on December 17, 2017, 10:46:43 am
It's, of course, about how Methiant has lately become a pot of trouble under your 'auspicious' rule, and nothing more. You decide to talk to them.
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A thrown rock gives you a cut on the forehead and as the guards pull you away, one of the officers orders swords drawn. A minor skirmish occurs and there is about twenty casualties, including two guards, before the rest of the mob flees. Your wound is superficial, and one of the courtiers quickly lessens the cut with some medicinal liquid.
The courtiers in charge of the procession quickly meet with you.
"This unfortunate yet bloody accident will surely become common knowledge soon. Shall we put some extraordinary measures to prevent your Highness be harmed again?"
A) "Of course! Send armed soldiers to villages on the way to the border!"
B) "That will be not necessary, but I sure won't meet with any peasant 'delegations' again!"
C) "Don't you see how I look? Our reputation would be ruined if we show up in Eldrican like this. We're going back to the palace!"
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Fortunately, no one else bothers you and through the Koi you arrive in Eldrican six days later.
1130 AD, Late Summer
You offer your prayers to the grandiose tomb of Elran III. It is obvious that Daric III was generous to the masons and artisans, as the marble-and-silver sarcophagus laying in a small 'chamber' of tall columns is truly breath-taking.
After that, Daric III shows his generosity as a host and launches a great feast for you, your family and your courtiers.
Very quickly you notice that your son Ustwelf seems to have 'glued' himself to a certain blonde maiden on Daric's side of the table, who seems to be around Ustwelf's age. A quick inquiry with one of Daric's advisors and you learn her identity - it is Deanna, Daric's niece. Her family got into a mess with some unscrupulous shady characters, and that resulted in a blaze that consumed her family house and all her relatives few years ago; since then she was living in the royal palace. She herself is fifteen and is known to have a polite character and aptitude for poetry.
Once the festivities go into their fourth hour, you decide to speak with Daric III on politics, and he is eager to contribute.
"My eastern friend," he begins, "I'm afraid to say that my merchants and my Treasurer aren't quite happy with the money they're making from this trade deal of ketton cloth we send to your Kingdom. I'm afraid that I will have to cancel this agreement."
You decide to...
A) Nod in agreement.
B) Try to negotiate better prices for Eldrican merchants.
C) Mention that King Shapur of Kashites in the east have shown interest in this cloth a while ago.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 17, 2017, 12:32:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 17, 2017, 12:59:11 pm
Generosity is it's own gift.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 17, 2017, 01:03:03 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on December 17, 2017, 01:27:36 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 17, 2017, 01:39:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 17, 2017, 01:41:06 pm
C Try to make it clear that we're still interested in being an intermediary partner.
This may be a good time for me to apologize to [I don't recall whom], for saying that ketton cloth doesn't give happiness after you posted that it did. I was looking back for something else and found a year when it did indeed have a happiness effect (we rolled a 6 to get it). I was wrong.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 17, 2017, 02:38:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 17, 2017, 03:36:53 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 17, 2017, 03:56:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 17, 2017, 08:33:32 pm
Post by: Imic on December 18, 2017, 05:54:52 am
Post by: Haspen on December 18, 2017, 08:41:04 am
King Daric rubs his bearded chin.
"I will have to speak with my merchants and advisors, after the feast." You agree that that's a good idea and move on to other topics.
You mention that years in the past your Kingdom had a trade deal, Fireblood ingredients in exchange for money-
"Apologies, our mines aren't what they used to be, and we use the minerals for our own siege engines." Didn't hurt to try.
*Now before we move on to othe part of the feast, there's quite few topics that could be discussed with King Daric and there's one that's currently most important for you... What would it be?
A) Marriages and family ties!
B) Military matters!
C) The dwarves!
D) Trade agreements!
E) Religious discussion!
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2017, 08:49:06 am
B and C could be similar. Stomping another dwarf fortress would get us more loot from thr elves too. Seems fair after how much they screwed over our people as well.
D kinda just happened, I'm not seeing much more coming from that
E feels like a tricky subject. I'd rather not touch this.
I'm gonna go with A. Closer ties with our brother kingdom is always good.
Post by: crazyabe on December 18, 2017, 08:53:50 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2017, 08:54:51 am
Post by: Imic on December 18, 2017, 08:55:00 am
I want to ahve a word with him about what happened to the Dearves too, though...
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 18, 2017, 08:55:55 am
Let's go with C, dwarfmurder has the potential to bring all of humanity together.
Post by: Imic on December 18, 2017, 08:57:51 am
Straight to C. I miss the Dwarves being our buddies.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 18, 2017, 09:45:52 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 18, 2017, 10:36:40 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 18, 2017, 10:45:06 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 18, 2017, 10:55:50 am
D
If there is something else available (I don't know) this is the most natural point in the conversation to ask.
I expect that, like the religious council, the collective we will probably vote for most or all of these at some point. Trade is the simplest to do.
Post by: Haspen on December 18, 2017, 01:28:13 pm
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You decide to talk with King Daric about the dwarves.
Very quickly you learn some very important things. The dwarves and Kingdom of Eldrican has had strong mercantile ties since the fall of the various nomadic Khanates in the previous centuries. Much or Eldricanese wealth comes from selling various quality crafts and foodstuffs to the dwarven fortresses dotting the Eldrican border.
King Daric even mentions that his noble father sometimes let out his frustration at your treatment of dwarves, and destruction of one of their citadels, and only because of family ties and good relationship with Methiant, King Elran refused to take sides.
You decide to...
A) Promise to lay off any violence against the Dwarves if that will improve relationship between Methiant and Eldrican.
B) Try to persuade King Daric to see just how violent, unstable and asshole-y the dwarves are.
C) Ask King Daric to help you repair the relationship with dwarves, hopefully by putting you in touch with their mountain leaders.
D) Quietly move on to other topics without saying much.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 18, 2017, 01:31:17 pm
EDIT: Anything But C.
To be clear, I really want D, but C is too close to winning so B gets my vote.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 18, 2017, 01:31:30 pm
Listen to the sordid tale of our broken weather scepter and learn, young king!
Post by: Haspen on December 18, 2017, 01:35:56 pm
D Quietly move on to other topics without saying much.
:Vc
Added.
Post by: crazyabe on December 18, 2017, 01:41:00 pm
Post by: Imic on December 18, 2017, 01:43:43 pm
I know the Dwarves backstabbed us, but we kinda deserved it after all we ended up doing. Also, going to war with them is not something that I want to risk, since we all know how that went last time.
Post by: Arlos on December 18, 2017, 01:54:46 pm
C
I know the Dwarves backstabbed us, but we kinda deserved it after all we ended up doing. Also, going to war with them is not something that I want to risk, since we all know how that went last time.
B
??? We didn't really do anything to them, most of the cause of conflict came from them.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2017, 02:10:28 pm
Post by: Taricus on December 18, 2017, 02:42:42 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2017, 02:44:12 pm
B
I don't think B will come to the best outcome, but seriously fuck the dwarves.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 18, 2017, 02:45:15 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 18, 2017, 02:48:15 pm
but seriously fuck the dwarves.+1
Post by: mightymushroom on December 18, 2017, 02:50:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2017, 02:53:51 pm
We won't cause trouble, but he needs to know how shit they are.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 18, 2017, 04:15:00 pm
And because of the prophecy, which I still suspect is tied to Cyl's reign, I'd rather wait until the next king rises if we want to mess with the dwarves again.
Post by: ZBridges on December 18, 2017, 04:15:24 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 18, 2017, 04:15:33 pm
We have no trouble with the western dwarves. We are an eastwards going kingdom after all.
Post by: melkor on December 18, 2017, 04:29:09 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 18, 2017, 06:18:53 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 18, 2017, 06:20:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2017, 03:10:28 am
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You decide to ask King Daric help repair your relationship with the dwarves. He laughs a little.
"Dwarves don't even pretend to be modest. They're as capricious as easily bribed. Just send them money. My father did that three times after three different incidents and the dwarves were back to being amicable neighbours in no-time." You try to ask him to be a mediator though.
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Unfortunately, he doesn't believe that your problems are his problems, and advises you to go and fix it yourself using the methods he prescribed.
You decide to swtich topics. What's the next thing you want to talk about?
A) Marriages and family ties!
B) Religious discussion!
C) Trade agreements!
D) Military matters!
E) ...Actually, let's just resume partying.
Post by: melkor on December 19, 2017, 03:12:33 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2017, 03:14:24 am
Edit: Good to know dwarven friendship can be bought. Might be of use down the line. I'm still leaning slightly towards just killing them for more elf boons once Cyl dies and the prophecy is no longer a thing, but it is good to know we have options.
Post by: omada on December 19, 2017, 03:14:58 am
something for the future?
wanna raid our east when we decide to take something else by force? Make them weaker grab spoils distract the main army while we conquer.
Post by: helmacon on December 19, 2017, 03:20:59 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 19, 2017, 03:22:07 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2017, 03:59:47 am
D Will you join arms against southerners? their religions will probably try to engulf us, and your nation already won some battles against them.
something for the future?
wanna raid our east when we decide to take something else by force? Make them weaker grab spoils distract the main army while we conquer.
This game isn't big on discussing long term future plans, and I'd like a few more years to recover before picking our next round of fights.
Post by: crazyabe on December 19, 2017, 07:40:02 am
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2017, 08:25:02 am
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It is hard to convince him. King Daric veils his intentions well but its obvious he doesn't like the fact that a heir to Kingdom of Methiant married a commoner. Considering he spoke about value of progeny, you wonder if he views death of Tywynn in bad light also.
"Though one of my youngest cousins by mother's side, Lady Aulen, is approaching twenty years of age and has yet to find a husband, and she confided in me she would prefer a foreigner for a husband. That lad of yours, Ustwelf? Could be well-suited as her groom."
"When he grows up." You add.
"And doesn't get killed." You briefly consider King Daric secretly being a dragon.
A) Fine, that works for me. Ustwelf will marry Aulen in few years' time.
B) Ustwelf seems enamored with Deanna, Daric's niece, wouldn't she be a better match for him?
C) Absolutely terrible idea, that won't do!
Post by: mightymushroom on December 19, 2017, 08:32:38 am
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Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on December 19, 2017, 09:39:25 am
B.
Post by: melkor on December 19, 2017, 11:40:37 am
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Post by: Maximum Spin on December 19, 2017, 01:03:53 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 19, 2017, 01:07:41 pm
A happy son is a useful son.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2017, 02:06:38 pm
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Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2017, 02:41:21 pm
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Either by drunkiness or your nagging, your host gets angry with you. Uttering some kind of vulgar phrase, he turns away from you.
"I had enough of discussion. Let's return to drinking!"
You take a bitter sip of your wine, having scored 0 out of 2 bethrothals for your third son. Oops!
By the next day, you learn what your courtiers managed to learn.
Apparently, the Kingdom of Eldrican was at one point indebted to the dwarves, having borrowed large sums of money in the first decade of 1100s. Only after several years of fasting they had the ability to repay the dwarves and avoid their wrath.
You also learn that, sadly, in recent half-century the animist religions of the post-Khanate settlements, as well as the local sects of Pantheon have been quickly losing ground to the Cult of Damed, which was introduced by Elran II, and his descendants only helped proselytize this foreign cult to grow, although the successive monarchs were able to greatly curb on Damedian xenophobic tendencies (Eldrican close relationship with dwarves must be at fault for this!)
Also also, you learn what's the real stuff with those Aelsass' Sorrows plateau in the far west; apparently, Aelsass I, nephew of Elran I, messed up some magical artifact real good, in insane hopes it would grant him magic powers of the Sorceress that created the artifact for him. The catastrophic blaze in the summer and subsequent 'green, luminescent snow' in the winter rendered the once fertile region into a brownish wasteland where water is poisonous and ground barren of any plant life. 'Another reason to not get involved with magic', your wife says.
Also to the power of three, you learn that Prawlant, Calvendocia and Eldrican were once allied against the Atulak Khanate. But as soon as the nomad hegemony was broken, the slimy Calvendocians, arrogant Eldricans and greedy Prawlantese quickly descended into three-way war, and since then there was little friendship between the three nations.
Three days after your arrival, it is time to head home.
But Ustwelf approaches you as you finish dressing up, his eyes sparkling like those of a madman in love.
"Father, I beseech you! Help me gain the hand of beautiful Deanna, niece of King Daric! Since my eyes fell upon her beauty, my heart has been seized." You rub your chin thoughtfully.
A) Maybe the arrangements about Deanna could be re-done?
B) Maybe there's still chance for initial offer to have Ustwelf married to Lady Aulen?
C) Maybe it's time to break news to Ustwelf, hard way.
Post by: birdy51 on December 19, 2017, 02:43:53 pm
Maybe the boy will still find a way, but it'll have to be his journey.
Post by: Taricus on December 19, 2017, 02:44:26 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on December 19, 2017, 02:59:23 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 19, 2017, 03:08:30 pm
I like to think that ? is Cyl picking up on Daric getting real weird about it all of a sudden.
Anyway, son, why don't you fall for somebody more attainable. Such as a lovely pickpocket or a traveling minstrel or a runaway elven princess or something.
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 19, 2017, 03:31:31 pm
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Speaking of the return journey, it was as calm as it was peaceful.
1130 AD, Autumn
Aaand you return to the Palace just in time for some truly joyous news - a rebellion rears its ugly head in the north!
"Your Majesty," The Advisor speaks up, opening up some scrolls. "The rebels are led by a nobleman called Daen Cuthwynn, a very distant relative of yours. Your agents determine he has about two thousand well-armed soldiers and mercenaries, as well as few Blackhearts, plus twice the number of peasant rabble who joined his 'crusade' against your 'dishonorable' self." He is marching from his home lands near Cydwyl border, and seems concentrated on heading straight for the capital of Methiant.
Your courtiers ask for correct choice of action.
A) I shall send a letter to the rebel horde, offering lenience if they give up.
B) I think best choice is to negotiate, maybe they're reasonable?
C) I need to tell you? Send our glorious Army to crush the rebels!
Post by: crazyabe on December 19, 2017, 03:40:49 pm
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Post by: Arlos on December 19, 2017, 03:42:02 pm
A
Post by: Criptfeind on December 19, 2017, 03:42:53 pm
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Post by: melkor on December 19, 2017, 03:44:08 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 19, 2017, 03:48:20 pm
Not the worst odds, certainly. Better mess them up before they scuff our lovely walls, however. C!
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2017, 03:57:28 pm
And a pre-emptive vote to lead the army ourself.
Post by: ZBridges on December 19, 2017, 04:31:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 19, 2017, 04:50:47 pm
But we don't need to lead for a little rebellion. (I rather doubt the Conqueror bonus does anything on home turf.)
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2017, 05:00:05 pm
C
But we don't need to lead for a little rebellion. (I rather doubt the Conqueror bonus does anything on home turf.)
No, but I trust Cyl on the battlefield more than I do at the head of his household.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2017, 06:06:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2017, 07:39:56 pm
"Will you lead us in this battle against the rebel scum, my liege?"
A) "VERILYYYYYY!!"
B) "Nah, not this time."
Post by: ZBridges on December 19, 2017, 07:44:13 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 19, 2017, 08:07:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 19, 2017, 08:49:52 pm
We don't need to, but we like to.
Post by: crazyabe on December 19, 2017, 09:01:32 pm
A
Post by: birdy51 on December 19, 2017, 10:58:42 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on December 20, 2017, 01:21:46 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 20, 2017, 01:29:30 am
B Commanding armies is theleadingMOST GLORIOUS cause of death for our kings.
Fixed that for you, A
Post by: Puppyguard on December 20, 2017, 02:10:45 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 20, 2017, 02:28:20 am
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 04:31:41 am
In three days time, your scouts mention that the rebel army is marching through some hills. Your Army is currently at vast, open area of farmlands, so your officers cannot decide whether to rush the enemy, or find some better place.
A) What better place? We dig in here, we are superior in all things!
B) Let's rush before they notice us, or worse, dig in themselves!
C) Time to take two steps back and find a favorable terrain!
Post by: ZBridges on December 20, 2017, 04:34:58 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 20, 2017, 05:08:27 am
Post by: Imic on December 20, 2017, 05:12:54 am
This works.
Post by: Iituem on December 20, 2017, 05:33:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 20, 2017, 09:42:09 am
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 10:17:07 am
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Either there is enemy spies or rebels inside your ranks, because there's an Army riot shortly after you announce your decision for tactical withdrawal!
Hundreds of young officers are fighting old dogs loyal to you, with a mix of words like 'cowardice!' 'treason!' 'dishonor!' 'tyrant!' 'bastards!' 'lapdogs!' being exchanged in this chaos.
The fighting is near your tent too!
A) Send the guards out to the fight.
B) Come out and find a safer place.
C) Come out and lead your guard to victory!!
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 20, 2017, 10:18:14 am
C, fuck 'em up. This is getting way too ridiculous.
Post by: crazyabe on December 20, 2017, 10:18:32 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 20, 2017, 10:19:54 am
"Meeeeh! I don't WANTA PLAN FOR BATTLE! MEEEHHHH!"
B
Post by: helmacon on December 20, 2017, 10:33:18 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 20, 2017, 10:47:31 am
Post by: helmacon on December 20, 2017, 10:54:51 am
Post by: Iituem on December 20, 2017, 11:56:25 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 20, 2017, 12:11:50 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 20, 2017, 01:13:40 pm
C "The Conqueror" should have a commanding presence.
Post by: Taricus on December 20, 2017, 01:15:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 01:32:19 pm
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Very quickly you gather dozens of supporters, and a bloody swath is cut through those who do not run or do not bend their knee at your approach.
The riot is down within an hour, and some officers estimate that about two hundred youths and few influential officers died.
Then the scouts arrive, looking aghast at the situation for a while, before approaching you.
"Sire! The rebels are just behind this hill!" You decide to...
A) Quickly form a defensive formation.
B) Rush the enemy before it arrives at the camp site.
C) Go on with withdrawal anyways.
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Post by: Taricus on December 20, 2017, 01:41:48 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 20, 2017, 01:42:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 20, 2017, 01:51:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 01:52:27 pm
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Unfortunately, you don't even get anywhere close to finishing when with loud war cries, the enemy descends upon your positions!
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The initial combat goes as you could suspect it would go in this situation. But your men are better trained and have more staying power than mercenaries and peasants of the rebels. As the battle progresses toe-to-toe and lines form, your men recover from the initial chaos and upreparedness.
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Still, your men are beginning to lose some ground!
A) Retreeeeeeat!!
B) Fight, fight my brave men!!
C) CHAAAAARRRGGEEEE!!!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 20, 2017, 01:53:06 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 20, 2017, 01:55:03 pm
We have been rolling shit for awhile now
Post by: crazyabe on December 20, 2017, 01:58:04 pm
Post by: melkor on December 20, 2017, 02:13:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 20, 2017, 02:14:46 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 20, 2017, 02:17:42 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 20, 2017, 02:18:57 pm
We can always roll worse, but eh.
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 02:32:22 pm
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Either due to your reputation, the 'purge' a while ago or mayhaps inner courage of your men, your soldiers run after you and rush the enemies, smashing their battle lines! Mercenaries and peasants soon flee on en masse, abandoning their equipments and their masters to preserve their lives instead. Enemy numbers thin considerably!
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The battle then descends into a slaughter of the rebel officers, noble sons and their lackeys who too late notice they've picked wrong side of the conflict.
As the moon peeks over the horizon, one of soldiers with haste presents you a gruesome trophy; the bloodied and severed head of Daeh Cuthwynn, its identity confirmed by the few captives that survived the battle. The deed of the soldier youth is attested by comrades from his unit and therefore you bestow him a knightly rank. He kisses your royal signet in gratitude.
Next morning, as dead are buried and wounded carried away, your Army returns home as scouts report no one else is nearby to rise against you.
Few days later you return to the palace. The Marshal and the Spymaster begin investigation into sudden riot in the Army.
1130 AD, Mid-Autumn
You set the goblet down and nod at the Spymaster, who opens up his scroll.
"Your Majesty, the riot has been sparked by one of well-liked junior officers. A recent Enyntheist convertee and believer in superiority of the Army, he took your order of withdrawal as a sign of cowardice, apprently well-suited a scandalous King like you."
"Scandalous?"
"Sire, you married the heir to the throne of Methiant to a commoner. You allowed his twin brother to die and did nothing to avenge him. And then there's recent religious upheaveal in the country. It's impossible to not have some younger soldiers influenced by all this." Maybe indeed it is time to loosen up on your peoples? Or is it time for purges in the Army?
As for the people's mood...
A) Give extra pay to all soldiers' and officers' families.
B) We can deal with happiness of my people later.
As for the Army purges...
A) We don't need any.
B) Purge religious zealots from my Army!
C) Shake the top levels of hierarchy a bit!
Post by: crazyabe on December 20, 2017, 02:35:12 pm
we PROBABLY already killed all the people who hated us in the army, and could Definitely do with some happiness.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 20, 2017, 02:35:28 pm
B
Yup. If this is the result of them, they need to go.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 20, 2017, 02:36:52 pm
Also, isn't the biggest difference between the Enyntheist and the all divines that the Enyntheist's do not believe in the superiority of the army? I thought that was what the entire spat between those religions was all about.
Post by: Taricus on December 20, 2017, 02:38:43 pm
(Option B is for killing the religions zealots, option C is for purging the louts that let them in in the first place)
Post by: Puppyguard on December 20, 2017, 02:45:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 02:51:24 pm
1130 AD, Winter
Gold, silver, gemstones arrive in your Treasury, filling its coffers quite a lot.
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Metals from eastern mines also provide certain amount of money!
1130 AD, Midwinter
The winter is harsh, but not harsh enough to cause starvation. Nevertheless, as teh Advisor says, many a peasant has took it upon life of a bandit, harassing travelers, merchants and tax collectors to take their valuables, lives, or, most often, both at once. Wandering groups of criminals popped up across most of Methiant since beginning of the winter, and various governors ask the Crown to provide help.
A) The Army will go and cleanse Methiant from criminal scum!
B) Let's pay some adventurer groups to hunt down some bandits.
C) It can't be that bad. I'm sure it will get better once the snow melts.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 20, 2017, 02:52:48 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 20, 2017, 02:53:17 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 20, 2017, 03:05:42 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 20, 2017, 03:28:43 pm
We surly have more money and we can let the army rest a bit.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 20, 2017, 03:49:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 20, 2017, 03:50:46 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 20, 2017, 04:12:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 20, 2017, 04:30:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 20, 2017, 04:55:46 pm
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Two weeks pass and Methiant is indeed free of criminal scum. Glory to the Army!
1130 AD, End of the Year
It is that time of the year, when the Advisor comes and the Scrolls of Kingdom Status are laid down upon your table...
And have to brave the numbers.
Happiness: 2
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 6
The Advisor coughs.
"My liege, the people's mood this year has been in awful state. Riots and revolts will only continue if we do not do anything. Some drastic measures might need to be taken."
A) Let's sponsor festivals for the angry little peoples.
B) They shall have nothing!!
C) Lower taxes, higher amount of festivals should do it.
D) Let's lower the taxes below usual for next year.
Post by: ZBridges on December 20, 2017, 04:59:12 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 20, 2017, 05:02:56 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 20, 2017, 05:05:38 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 20, 2017, 05:25:47 pm
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Post by: Lucus Casius on December 20, 2017, 05:57:36 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 20, 2017, 05:58:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 20, 2017, 06:05:05 pm
Post by: melkor on December 20, 2017, 06:11:47 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 20, 2017, 06:39:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 20, 2017, 07:02:31 pm
Tax breaks and circuses!
Post by: helmacon on December 20, 2017, 07:22:12 pm
Sooner or later we won't roll a 6 during a riot. The solution? Don't have any more riots.
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2017, 08:42:26 pm
Also our officers better keep in line if they don't want to end up 'cleaned up' like the last time our officers got to uppity.
Post by: Imic on December 21, 2017, 12:42:48 am
Post by: Haspen on December 21, 2017, 12:58:21 am
1131 AD, Spring
There are two delegates wishing for an audience! One is from Eldrican - the other from Lametania. You decide to meet with...
A) Eldrican diplomat.
B) Lametanian envoy.
Post by: Taricus on December 21, 2017, 01:00:39 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 21, 2017, 01:12:06 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 21, 2017, 01:13:18 am
Post by: Puppyguard on December 21, 2017, 01:15:46 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 21, 2017, 02:18:54 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 21, 2017, 08:36:07 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 21, 2017, 08:42:58 am
Post by: omada on December 21, 2017, 09:57:51 am
B) The damdamian has come/ wanna rent your army again?
Post by: Haspen on December 21, 2017, 12:37:38 pm
"Greetings, King Cyl! My master, King Daric III, wishes to obtain your agreement to letting his caravans pass through Methiant. King Shapur of the Kashites has been very eager to get his hands on ketton cloth!" Your courtiers murmur and some glare at the envoy.
A) How dare he! Conducting favorable treaties behind my back?! Get lost, you dog, and warn King Daric that all caravans will be seized for this sleight upon collective honor of Methiant!
B) That is mightily fine for us, and we wish Eldrican traders favorable outcome of their dealings with the distant Kashites.
C) He will have our grant of passage but we would like to have some Eldrican money in return, thank you muchly.
Post by: omada on December 21, 2017, 12:39:25 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 21, 2017, 12:39:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 21, 2017, 12:41:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 21, 2017, 12:53:04 pm
"Of course King Daric foreseen that and I've been given permission to negotiate. Our traders have estimated that the trade could bring us enough profits to send your way a payment every four years."
A) "Oh that's generous... get lost!"
B) "That is kinda too little too seldom. How about three years?"
C) "I want money every two years or King Daric can forget the deal!"
D) "Oh, that's generous, we accept!"
Post by: milo christiansen on December 21, 2017, 12:56:19 pm
We can offer armed escorts across our territory if that helps.
Post by: omada on December 21, 2017, 01:07:38 pm
although B seems reasonable, the merchant could always say "nope it won't work" but I double doubt that they wouldn't get profits below this
Post by: crazyabe on December 21, 2017, 02:10:20 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 21, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 21, 2017, 02:17:35 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 21, 2017, 02:32:35 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 21, 2017, 02:48:32 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 21, 2017, 03:16:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 21, 2017, 03:16:57 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 21, 2017, 03:25:31 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 21, 2017, 03:56:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 21, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 21, 2017, 04:12:10 pm
Post by: melkor on December 21, 2017, 04:49:54 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 21, 2017, 10:01:11 pm
Lets be reasonable, but not push overs.
Post by: ZBridges on December 21, 2017, 10:58:14 pm
Post by: Imic on December 22, 2017, 04:12:38 am
Post by: Imic on December 22, 2017, 04:27:58 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 23, 2017, 06:52:07 am
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 23, 2017, 07:38:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 24, 2017, 05:15:36 am
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You decide to accept this offer.
Next, you meet with the Lametanian envoy.
"Greetings, King Cyl! I bring tidings from new king of Lametania, Dangarm. He feels that you might be interested in offer of a trade! King Dangarm wishes to sell a fabled Confident Bow, a gilded bow with string of spidersilk, which always strikes true even at large distance, and which was once wielded by Bado the Archer in the previous century." The Advisor steps forward.
"How much your King wants for it"?
"Equivalent of money you usually get from your gemstone mines in five years period." A rare chance, but who knows what's behind this decision to sell such a mighty artifact?
A) "Sure, I will buy it."
B) "That is too much, let's haggle!"
C) "I don't need Dangarm's trifle trinkets. Begone!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 24, 2017, 05:16:11 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 24, 2017, 05:25:21 am
B it is, let's see how desperate they are to flog this thing.
Post by: melkor on December 24, 2017, 05:49:25 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 24, 2017, 10:11:36 am
C
I always feel a little bad passing up these opportunities, but for what sounds to be a personal weapon rather than a kingdom booster, I think we can't afford it even reduced.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 24, 2017, 10:16:20 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 24, 2017, 12:01:14 pm
Five years' worth equals all we had saved — and that was before we lowered taxes AND sponsored festivals. We're already in the red this year.
C
I always feel a little bad passing up these opportunities, but for what sounds to be a personal weapon rather than a kingdom booster, I think we can't afford it even reduced.
I'm inclined to agree, but as others pointed out, shit could be going down in Lamentia, and haggling might bring some stuff to light. If we go with B now, we are by no means forced to accept any deal we come up with.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 24, 2017, 12:32:21 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 24, 2017, 12:41:45 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 24, 2017, 12:56:24 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 24, 2017, 01:17:24 pm
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Post by: Taricus on December 24, 2017, 02:26:49 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 24, 2017, 05:43:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 25, 2017, 05:48:42 pm
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Your trade avisor facepalms quietly when you, somehow, manage to convince the Lametanian envoy that the price his King demands is too small for such a prized weapon and instead it should be worth 6 years of gemstones. The envoy is so perplexed by your counteroffer that he refuses to lower the adjusted price.
A) Uh, let's just shoo him away so I can marinate in my shame.
B) YES BECAUSE ITS THAT VALUABLE I SHALL BUY IT!
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 25, 2017, 06:05:13 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 25, 2017, 06:11:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 25, 2017, 06:17:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 25, 2017, 06:29:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 25, 2017, 06:34:16 pm
At least it wasn't an outright refusal, followed by storming out. I'll take gross incompetence over that any time. ^.^
Post by: Puppyguard on December 25, 2017, 06:38:52 pm
Post by: omada on December 25, 2017, 07:53:13 pm
A
At least it wasn't an outright refusal, followed by storming out. I'll take gross incompetence over that any time. ^.^
SEE DWARVES?
Post by: helmacon on December 25, 2017, 08:38:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 25, 2017, 09:06:47 pm
I can't help but notice that my prediction was perfectly correct: we can't afford it even after bargaining for a discount.
Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2017, 04:49:49 am
1131 AD, Mid-Spring
You have become a grandfather! Leath and Ysa had their first child; a baby boy that they named 'Cyl', after you.
1131 AD, Summer
Travelers bring news from east and west; in the east King Shapur is slowly gaining hand in battles against Kashites, but faield to capture any major city or fortress so far. In the west, there's a revolt in Duchy of Tirine, and King Daric opted to send the soldiers in to crush the rebel scum.
1131 AD, Autumn
Half a year passes without accident or incident, so of course it's time for a disaster.
As far as weather went this summer, it was quite mild, but the last days of Summer brought a thunderstorm unseen around these parts for years. Hail ravaged the farmlands while thunder burnt down many buildings and rain inundated many a road.
Of course, this means lots of repairing to do, and many governors across the Kingdom are asking for money and supplies to help the unfortunate masses.
A) Sorry I ain't got money.
B) Let's be generous!
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 26, 2017, 05:04:40 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 26, 2017, 07:13:10 am
Post by: Iituem on December 26, 2017, 08:06:24 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 26, 2017, 08:11:19 am
Post by: mightymushroom on December 26, 2017, 10:06:51 am
Our happiness is already at the edge of too low, we better help out.
Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2017, 10:21:42 am
1131 AD, Winter
Mines across the Kingdom - gemstone, silver and gold - bring in profits to the Treasury per usual. With the gold from Ceodwell came also a letter, signed by Ysirene diplomats, in which they consider the 'deal' you had with them fulfilled and therefore their lord will no longer acquire part of gold bullion.
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Various metals mined in area reclaimed by Zasitost dwarves also brought profits.
1131 AD, Midwinter
Your wife Esta gives birth to another boy! The little fella with extremely loud voice was given the name 'Saenn'.
Few days later, you're informed by the Advisor that the Royal Alchemist and his engineers wish for an audience, the group visibly satisfied, but there's also the palace guards, saying that a messenger from Tvenn silver mines have arrived, saying its urgent.
A) Nothing is more urgent than Fireblood research! Bring in the alchemists.
B) Urgent news require urgent attention! Let the messenger inside.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 26, 2017, 10:25:10 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 26, 2017, 10:30:39 am
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
-The Royal Alchemist, "101 Reasons Why You Ought To Give Us Funding"
Post by: Weirdsound on December 26, 2017, 10:34:09 am
A: Guns+Problem=No Problem
That is some good math. A
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 26, 2017, 10:48:22 am
Know about income before making decisions about spending.
Post by: crazyabe on December 26, 2017, 10:54:47 am
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 12:30:14 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 26, 2017, 12:32:43 pm
A rampaging beast, perhaps?
Post by: milo christiansen on December 26, 2017, 12:43:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 26, 2017, 01:34:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2017, 01:47:14 pm
"My lord! Our mines have been attacked by some perfidous bird-people!" That's a first.
"The miners were searching higher in Tvenn mountains for new deposits when these men and women with heads of eagles descended upon them. A brief struggle happened and some miners were wounded and killed, along some birdmen. Few sneaky scouts went to find their dwellings and indeed, they live in primitive stone huts high in Tvenn mountains, but the buildings seem newly built to the scouts." As the birdmen didn't descend upon the mines and seem rather content at their heights, the overseer considers abandoning the upper mountains to the birds.
A) Let's hire some adventurers, maybe level 20+, to deal with this birdman infestation.
B) Where's a Wizard!? We're powerless against magical killer birdmen without a Wizard!
C) Time to send the Army on some pest removal!
D) No need to venture up if we're digging up, we can ignore the birdmen. Maybe they will do the same.
E) Mountain dwellers, huh? Let's send some
Post by: Criptfeind on December 26, 2017, 01:49:48 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 26, 2017, 01:56:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 26, 2017, 02:07:29 pm
While the dwarves are assholes, I think we can afford to spend 1 Econ or so to get their take on the birdmen. Especially since there's no other sources stepping up.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 26, 2017, 02:30:12 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 26, 2017, 02:35:07 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 26, 2017, 02:40:02 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 26, 2017, 03:43:30 pm
Send a party of 3-7 ragtag murderhobos instead. They can probably just sneak in and kill the lot before they realise they're even there.
Post by: Culise on December 26, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
Besides, these birds seem to be living on the mountain rather than in it.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 26, 2017, 04:01:41 pm
Cyl's army rarely fails in its mission.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 26, 2017, 04:03:29 pm
D. Given our little case of sacking and pillaging, what's to stop the dwarves from simply taking the bribe and laughing all the way back home?They're dwarves. If you give them money, they forgive everything and love you forever. The next-door King said as much himself.
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 04:04:07 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 26, 2017, 04:10:26 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 26, 2017, 04:12:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 26, 2017, 04:13:34 pm
Why not hire the birdmen? The birdmen have much better potential to be better neighbors than the smelly dwarves!
Leave it to Birdy to advocate for the birds...
Don't think they'd be terribly useful. I doubt they could beat heavily armored human soldiers in a straight fight, and I doubt they could fly if we gave them heavy metal gear. This limits them to a scouting role, which I think our new Hurthling can take care of for us.
We can try diplomacy, but they seem like a small band of savages, and likely don't have any goods or knowledge of real value. We could also run into language barrier issues as well. It seems as if we have never heard of these birdmen before they were just brought to our attention. I would not assume we have the means to communicate with them right away.
Post by: Taricus on December 26, 2017, 04:21:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 26, 2017, 04:24:14 pm
Why not hire the birdmen? The birdmen have much better potential to be better neighbors than the smelly dwarves!
That's kinda why I want to find out more about them. Imagine the combat potential of aerial gun troops!
Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2017, 04:46:20 pm
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So either ignoring or purging ;v
Post by: ZBridges on December 26, 2017, 04:51:09 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 05:13:51 pm
Post by: omada on December 26, 2017, 05:16:58 pm
Why not hire the birdmen? The birdmen have much better potential to be better neighbors than the smelly dwarves!
Leave it to Birdy to advocate for the birds...
Don't think they'd be terribly useful. I doubt they could beat heavily armored human soldiers in a straight fight, and I doubt they could fly if we gave them heavy metal gear. This limits them to a scouting role, which I think our new Hurthling can take care of for us.
We can try diplomacy, but they seem like a small band of savages, and likely don't have any goods or knowledge of real value. We could also run into language barrier issues as well. It seems as if we have never heard of these birdmen before they were just brought to our attention. I would not assume we have the means to communicate with them right away.
They have the mushrooms, learn how to cultivate mushroom and sell away those drugs, or buy mushrooms with silly things and make them friendly.
I will vote E unless C is winning, if C is winning I prefer D
I prefer E because it maybe can give us tips on how to assimilate them
right now is
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ccc (zbridges changed votes)
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Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2017, 05:35:29 pm
1131 AD, Late Winter
The Army officers proudly announce that your son Houlandin has innate martial skills, and fights with mace and hammer as good as a trained soldier, and he even shows hints of being a natural-born commander.
Few days into the season, your grandmother Auga dies in her sleep at the very venerable age of 75; she has outlived many of her children and grandchildren, and rarely interfered in matters of governance after your father's ascension, yet fortunes still allowed her to see a great-great-grandkid.
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You receive a report from the city administrators; the policy of festivities and lowered taxes had positive impact on the populace, further mellowed by your decision to help with the autumnal harsh weather.
1131 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives with the Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 4
Population: 8
Economy: 4
Army: 7
You nod in approval; things have improved and the Kingdom is back on its way to glory! The Advisor coughs to get your attention.
"The people's loyalty and contentness with your glorious rule seems to come harder these days than wealth for the Treasury - mayhaps it would be prudent to extend festivities for another year, my liege?"
A) "More parties? Count me in!"
B) "Nope, they had enough!"
The Advisor also spreads out a large map - you immediately recognize it is the Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms.
"As you see, your Majesty, the royal scribes also had enough time at their hands and knowledge gathered to finally update the royal map. Take a look, if you so desire."
Spoiler: Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms (click to show/hide)
Post by: Puppyguard on December 26, 2017, 05:41:24 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 26, 2017, 05:51:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 05:52:31 pm
Post by: omada on December 26, 2017, 06:13:07 pm
Hey, with Sanshans fighting, maybe the war will get worse , you know, if we take the opportunity in case all hell breaks lose with the kashite we can take the mountains, sometimes the mountains have mines, and some proper gutba people on kashit hands, where we can learn a bit more about them... *cough*
Post by: Weirdsound on December 26, 2017, 06:20:26 pm
If we take the Kashites, we would also directly benefit from our Father-in-law's business with them. Also, why does nobody control the green patch between us and our Hurthling underlings?
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 06:23:44 pm
Post by: omada on December 26, 2017, 06:25:13 pm
Wait though. Are the alchemists still waiting outside to tell us something?
Poor alchemists
Post by: Kashyyk on December 26, 2017, 06:34:16 pm
A) Nothing is more urgent than Fireblood research! Bring in the alchemists.
B) Urgent news require urgent attention! Let the messenger inside.
So... did our alchemists get bored and wander off?
Edit: what birdy said.
Post by: birdy51 on December 26, 2017, 06:37:45 pm
Our food supplies are running as dry as our budgets. We've taken to devouring the younger alchemists for sustenance.
The King has not seen us yet.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 26, 2017, 06:43:14 pm
Keep ignoring the alchemists, they deserve it.
Post by: mightymushroom on December 26, 2017, 07:34:16 pm
Now that we're getting the full measure from the gold mines we can afford a celebration.
And quietly pretend we totally did not space out on the alchemists.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 26, 2017, 07:52:52 pm
Wait though. Are the alchemists still waiting outside to tell us something?
They must have failed their strange mood, gone melancholy, and jumped into the moat.
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 12:35:39 am
*KZZZZT*
Now, that the messenger from the mines is gone, you can meet with the Alchemists.
"Greetings, my liege! We bring joyous news! Years of our research on hand-held version of Thundercats finally brought fruit. It is a small enough tube that can be carried and operated by two men and which launches a ball the size of one's head, but unfortunately that isn't as useful as we've thought, and various military commanders are rather skeptical of its field effectivenes."
"However we've been testing various concepts and Fireblood formulas and by accident we have stumbled upon certain group of mixes that ignites and burns for long time. One in particular kept the fire going and was very hard to extinguish. 'Now this', say the officers, 'is something we can use to burn down things!'. We would like to have a demonstration of the invention with you attending, sire, by the next Summer perhaps?" You decide that...
A) A demonstration would be lovely!
B) You have no time for this foolishness.
C) This isn't what you want! Get me handheld guns!!
Post by: birdy51 on December 27, 2017, 12:39:27 am
Bah! Handheld guns probably wouldn't ever take off anyways.
Post by: helmacon on December 27, 2017, 12:45:12 am
Also, we ought to go after the kashites while we still got that prophecy with us, ya know?
Post by: Taricus on December 27, 2017, 01:15:54 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 27, 2017, 01:25:58 am
Edit: NO NOT OUR CASTLE THE ENEMY.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 01:28:51 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 01:30:23 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 27, 2017, 01:32:40 am
Post by: Puppyguard on December 27, 2017, 01:36:34 am
Demonstration first, then we decide. We can always change our mind.
Post by: Imic on December 27, 2017, 02:34:23 am
Post by: melkor on December 27, 2017, 03:40:45 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 04:15:05 am
Post by: omada on December 27, 2017, 06:56:57 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 07:49:20 am
Post by: Iituem on December 27, 2017, 07:57:16 am
Post by: Tiruin on December 27, 2017, 08:09:06 am
A, and really the two-man mortar is still pretty damned useful.Agree, especially since we're going to get those handheld guns later when we refine our knowledge more. That means CONTINUING THIS one!
Post by: crazyabe on December 27, 2017, 10:48:28 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 27, 2017, 10:54:36 am
In any case, A. Make sure to pack that armor tunic though.
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 11:14:41 am
*KZZZZZT*
1132 AD, Spring
It has been quiet for too long, some of your courtiers murmur.
Zealotry amongst 'theists' of Methiant is on the rise. A theological dispute got out of hand and now the 'true' Methiantese are riled up and riling up fellow citizens against the 'eastern scum' that are Alldivines and the Enyntheists, the former in fact preparing their own militants within their old keeps and castles their Cloisters occupy.
A) Obviously, the philosophical movements are at fault for this! We ought to curb Enyntheist and Alldivine influences.
B) Obviously, the deistic religions are to be blamed! We gotta throttle the influences of Singularism and Pantheonism.
C) Someone here is clearly thinking themselves too strong. It's time the throne clips the wings of the various prominent cults and remind them who's in charge of Methiant peoples!
D) And that's not my concern.
E) I think it's time to declare Alldivinism as true religon of Methiant to show them who's boss here!
F) Just have the Army strengthen the garrisons of cities and increase patrols on the road to dissuade any religious violence from popping up.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 11:16:05 am
They agreed to not be fuckups at the council. They'd better be sticking to that.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 12:05:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 12:22:21 pm
F for now. Wait for somebody to make the first move. We can lash out at the first party to break the agreement of the council with our full wrath, and be fully justified in doing so.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 27, 2017, 12:52:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 27, 2017, 01:04:56 pm
I wish I could believe adopting a single religion would solve anything, but then we'd just have people challenging the state religion instead of the state pluralism.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 27, 2017, 01:11:53 pm
Cracking down on them at this juncture would be a PR disaster. Better to wait until they actually overstep their bounds and raise armies - the Alldivines raising troops doesn't really count because that's an inherent part of their religion and also their primary income stream.
That said, we might want to just adopt Enyntheism and eliminate the theists entirely if they're going to keep doing this kind of bullshit. Goodness knows the Pantheon's never done anyone a single iota of good, and Singularists have been assholes since their inception.
Post by: helmacon on December 27, 2017, 01:16:57 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 27, 2017, 01:20:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 01:24:48 pm
F
I wish I could believe adopting a single religion would solve anything, but then we'd just have people challenging the state religion instead of the state pluralism.
Adopting a second religion would be my second choice. At least when people challenge the state religion we can strike them right back without feeling like our hands are tied by our commitment to peace and pluralism. In fact, I'd strongly consider just wiping out whichever side first breaks the peace, and picking a state religion from the other side.
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 01:32:32 pm
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While there has been few incidents which ended in arrests, the zealots quieten down when the state does some sabre-rattling the soldiers show up on the streets. Only time will tell if that's permament.
1132 AD, Summer
The time for the big presentation is here! On a warm, sunny day, the courtiers, army officers and most of your family gathers on the palatial courtyard, where several test objects are gathered - some hay scarecrows, a set of steel armors, a hastily built brick-and-timber shed and some wild pigs in a enclosure - and then the engineers begin the test! The iron tubes suck in part-liquid, part-paste Fireblood and then blow it off int a stream of orange flame jet that, instead of turning into ash and smoke, instead smolders upon the scarecrows, engulfing them very quickly.
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An incident however occurs, when one of the tubes inexplicably explodes. The burning liquid Fireblood coats several young alchemists and engineers, sending them away shrieking as their bodies inevitably and terryfingly fast turn into charcoals, many an attendant panicking. It is a gruesome but effective proof of the tubes' usefulness.
That shrieking though. That shrieking, man.
A) This is utterly horrendous! Stop this savage research at once!
B) Oooh, I like these fires going up! Time to include these in our armed forces!!
C) Those are fine but please fix them so they don't explode?
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 27, 2017, 01:35:54 pm
Looks like we might be able to get some anti-personnel weaponry out of this after all!
Post by: omada on December 27, 2017, 01:51:04 pm
Now someone bring Cyl a vodka and his wife so he can forget the screams
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 01:51:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 02:06:01 pm
Did we just discover that Greek Fire type stuff that our old Teven dynasty was after?
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 27, 2017, 02:14:17 pm
C
Did we just discover that Greek Fire type stuff that our old Teven dynasty was after?
That's baseline Fireblood which we have had for a fairly long time now. It looks like those alchemists were confident this new innovation could melt through steel armor, so this might be not so much Greek fire as some kind of hybrid of thermite and napalm.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 02:20:39 pm
C
Did we just discover that Greek Fire type stuff that our old Teven dynasty was after?
That's baseline Fireblood which we have had for a fairly long time now. It looks like those alchemists were confident this new innovation could melt through steel armor, so this might be not so much Greek fire as some kind of hybrid of thermite and napalm.
Jeezus. We get the kinks worked out, our enemies be screwed.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 27, 2017, 02:20:59 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on December 27, 2017, 02:24:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 02:28:20 pm
1132 AD, Autumn
A call for help comes from Hurthlings and your magistrates! The fierce and savage Agaresians, on their fearsome war lizards, has begun to show on the northeastern corners of the Hurthling valley. They are capturing Hurthlings for slavery, and they don't seem too picky when a Methiantese colonist or official gets caught amongst the midst.
The Hurthlings mention that between Kashites and Trolls (now hopefully extinct), these Agaresians are yet another group of 'big-uns' determined to cause them harm and despair, like in the times of old.
A) That's bad for Agaresians because Hurthlings happen to be my subjects now! Thundercats, roll out!
B) They will snatch some people and wander off, not a big deal (for me, at least).
C) Grinding letter-writing skill didn't go to waste, let's open communications with Agaresians to explain some things, and fast!
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 27, 2017, 02:31:45 pm
We need more military points also.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 27, 2017, 02:39:14 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 27, 2017, 02:46:03 pm
enslaving our people? You are asking for a beating :P
Post by: helmacon on December 27, 2017, 03:05:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 27, 2017, 03:19:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 03:22:37 pm
1132 AD, Mid-Autumn
Rather quickly you receive a report of a big skirmish between few hundred each of your soldiers and Agaresian raiders. Thundercats worekd well against the lizards even if their riders did take a bite of your peacekeeping force, mostly because Agaresian war lizards seem uncaring for all the heat, smoke and roaring of Thundercats (they still die as easily to them, your officers assure).
1132 AD, Late Autumn
Several smaller skirmishes were won and this time by your footsoldiers and horse riders as there weren't any good reasons to employ the Thundercats against the Agaresians.
You also receive potentially alarming news from the east; King Shapur has won over the Shahshans by the way of slaying their king and his heir in battle, and then marrying the late king's remaining child, a young girl, as his new wife (Shapur's wife died in childbirth a decade ago). He now proclaims himself King of Kashites and Shahshans, as well as Overlord of Waterless Plains.
1132 AD, Winter
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Your officers bring excellent news! One of the Agaresian raiding parties was headed by Prince Uvtak, heir to the throne of Agaresia! Knowing just how fat of a catch they've got, the officers responsible for his capture already moved him deeper into Hurthling lands under heavy guard.
They ask you now what to do with Uvtak.
A) Execute him, to show that you have no mercy for those who wrong your subjects.
B) Send an offer of ransom to the King of Agaresians.
C) Have him brought to your court so you can mayhaps have a talk with him.
D) Have him brought to your dungeons, just in case you find an use for him later.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 27, 2017, 03:27:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 03:29:10 pm
If Haspen hadn't already ruled out weird magical crossbreeds I'd say we should try to set him up with a relative while he's here...
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 03:37:13 pm
C
If Haspen hadn't already ruled out weird magical crossbreeds I'd say we should try to set him up with a relative while he's here...
Wait, I just thought Agaresians were just humans who tamed riding lizards.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 03:37:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 03:39:01 pm
Wait, I just thought Agaresians were just humans who tamed riding lizards.Uh, wait, are they? Am I confusing them with some other lizard people? Because I remember lizard people, but I'm not actually certain these are the lizard people.
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 03:41:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 03:43:14 pm
Wait, I just thought Agaresians were just humans who tamed riding lizards.Uh, wait, are they? Am I confusing them with some other lizard people? Because I remember lizard people, but I'm not actually certain these are the lizard people.
The Lizard people I remember the Duke of Teven fighting were kill happy monsters who came from underground. I don't think they had advanced social constructs such as princes or slavery. I suppose they could have advanced a bit since then.
A! Back off assholes! Maybe time to add some land?
Edit: Ninja'd by the DM. Far north east. I doubt we could easily control that if we could take it. Sticking with a Peaceful solution of C.
Post by: ZBridges on December 27, 2017, 03:43:47 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 03:45:45 pm
There were fur-trading lizard peoples from beyond Gubta to far southeast, then they were underground lizard savages popping up in mountains, and now you have lizard-riding Agaresians from the far north-east.Yeah, it's the first one I was thinking of, I think.
So, yeah, an even more emphatic C, and can we maybe put him in a room not too far away from our one daughter? :P
Post by: Taricus on December 27, 2017, 04:09:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 04:13:14 pm
Within two weeks, he arrives at your palace. You quickly learn that he does not speak local language and amongst your courtiers and staff there are few who know the Agaresian language good enough to hold any conversation with him. Already however he seems unimpressed with most things in the palace, including your guards and your women ("soft and like each other, they are").
In the meanwhile the gemstones, silver and gold arrive at your court.
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Unfortunately, the local prices for iron and other common metals were low this year and thus your metal mines didn't provide any profits.
1132 AD, Midwinter
Like a Phoenix from the ashes, an old traditional nemesis of the regional warlods, have risen! The Kashite King, Shapur, has, after unitying his peoples and selling Gubta-populated regions in far east to their original owners, crowned himself the King of Parsians, establishing new Kingdom of Parsia. Already he has proclaimed to 'make Parsia great again', and almost whole of his court and subjects pledged loyalty to the old, royal golden falcon that Shapur's courtiers dug out from some old tomb or another.
Your own courtiers are deeply disturbed by this development. In past decades, Gubta, Kashites and Shahshans formed their own brand of warring states which kept Ceodwell safe, but now that this region borders two big players in th east, some worry that war looms over the horizon.
A) We ought to send military east and refurbish old garrisons in Ceodwell asap!
B) Why wage war while we can make friends? Let's send a letter to good and brave King Shapur.
C) This doesn't concern me, at least for now.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 04:14:59 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 04:18:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 04:18:52 pm
Might as well give it a shot. If he is friendly, we can align with him against Gubta. If he is not, then our next conquest becomes clear.
Post by: Lucus Casius on December 27, 2017, 04:20:37 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 27, 2017, 04:20:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 04:23:08 pm
BI kinda doubt the king who's pledged to reclaim the lands we currently hold is going to be looking to make nice with us... Or that we'll be able to turn him against Gutba, who he just sold his contested land too. If we could vote A and B I would, but A seems a lot more likely to be useful.
Might as well give it a shot. If he is friendly, we can align with him against Gubta. If he is not, then our next conquest becomes clear.
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 04:23:26 pm
Post by: Taricus on December 27, 2017, 04:23:35 pm
A, we beat these guys up like a bunch of drugged up gauls beat up romans.
Post by: Arlos on December 27, 2017, 04:39:50 pm
Luathbas back when?
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2017, 04:45:33 pm
Luathbas back when?
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Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 04:50:10 pm
A
Luathbas back when?
As nostalgic as it might be for you people who were active in the first Spamkingdom game, I'd rather not bring back Luathbas. Our neighbors to the south are scary enough as is without us having to adopt the identity of their historical enemy.
Post by: Culise on December 27, 2017, 04:53:34 pm
...Parsia's back? PARSIA IS BACK! :D
A, we beat these guys up like a bunch of drugged up gauls beat up romans.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Puppyguard on December 27, 2017, 05:14:35 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 05:20:02 pm
B. The fact that he actually sold off sizeable chunks of his land based on ethnic grounds before claiming the crown instead of simply claiming the crown and still keeping the land doesn't suggest an expansionist outlook to me. It's a slightly surreal fact, and I'm still inclined to renovate the defensive garrisons, but peace seems like something to at least give a try.
I dunno, giving his stated goals of remaking Parsia, I don't think making peace with Gutba should be a good sign for us. Despite Gutba originally biting off a large chunk of them and being ancestral enemies, Over the past few hundred years Gutbas borders have somehow slowly shifted south, they no longer seem to own any original Parsian Lands (or more then a small fringe) Ceodwell and Kashite seems to have taken control of those areas for the most part, and then we took them when we took Ceodwell. Selling this land to Gutba seems to do three things, all quite worrying, making peace with an old enemy, removing said enemies Casus Belli against them, and giving them a ton of funds that they can spend on... Whatever it is they want. Possibly making an army to attack us, which they all but promised to do, since we own like half of old Parsia.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 05:32:57 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 27, 2017, 05:58:35 pm
Post by: melkor on December 27, 2017, 06:14:51 pm
Your royale scribes have created the glorious map of the known world.
I have tried to make a more detailed versionSpoiler: Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: warning very big (click to show/hide)
of course i would like advise how i could make it better
Post by: milo christiansen on December 27, 2017, 06:29:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 06:45:33 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 27, 2017, 07:19:44 pm
My dear king and council,
Your royale scribes have created the glorious map of the known world.I have tried to make a more detailed versionSpoiler: Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms (click to show/hide)imgur link (https://imgur.com/Q3cprAQ)Spoiler: warning very big (click to show/hide)
of course i would like advise how i could make it better
I think we now know the name of the royal map maker.
What I think it needs is pictures of beasts and monsters in the unknown lands.
Post by: helmacon on December 27, 2017, 07:51:25 pm
We still have the prophecy on our side, right? War should go handily in our favor.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 08:24:09 pm
A
We still have the prophecy on our side, right? War should go handily in our favor.
But the prophecy is also on our side against Gubta. I'd rather align with one to fight the other, rather than risk having the party we are not fighting attack us both while we are busy.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 27, 2017, 08:28:56 pm
I'm unconvinced that he actually cares or even knows that Ceodwell was anciently Parsian land, compared to just wanting to make a Parsian empire where he is now, but, you know what would help us find that out? Writing a letter
This is legit, but since we have (as far as we know right now) a choice between that letter and preparing for an attack from them or Gutba, it seems like the safer choice to just built the forts. It's not like they are useless, even if "make Parsia great again" turns out to mean "in fact we're going to focus on internal matters for the next sixty years" since Gutba is still our enemy, or at least not friendly towards us.
Post by: Weirdsound on December 27, 2017, 08:35:33 pm
I'm unconvinced that he actually cares or even knows that Ceodwell was anciently Parsian land, compared to just wanting to make a Parsian empire where he is now, but, you know what would help us find that out? Writing a letter
This is legit, but since we have (as far as we know right now) a choice between that letter and preparing for an attack from them or Gutba, it seems like the safer choice to just built the forts. It's not like they are useless, even if "make Parsia great again" turns out to mean "in fact we're going to focus on internal matters for the next sixty years" since Gutba is still our enemy, or at least not friendly towards us.
I don't think we actually have to build the forts. We bypassed most of em when we attack Ceodwell, right? What we would be doing is moving our troops to the forts, away from their duties of keeping the Zealots from killing each other.
Post by: omada on December 27, 2017, 08:56:20 pm
My dear king and council,
Your royale scribes have created the glorious map of the known world.I have tried to make a more detailed versionSpoiler: Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms (click to show/hide)imgur link (https://imgur.com/Q3cprAQ)Spoiler: warning very big (click to show/hide)
of course i would like advise how i could make it better
I love you. :V
I was thinking about doing something like this, and register where we had found mines in previous games or things like great fortresses just for strategic stuff, but hmm, zero skills and patience.
B let's try a bit before, the prophecy just said, "turn your eyes to the east" not exactly waging war is always the solution, if they get good terms with gutba our best bet will be to make them focus on these foreign agaresians, if they say that they want because they want our lands we refurbish them asap
Post by: mightymushroom on December 28, 2017, 12:22:39 am
P.S.
I must be feeling particularly nasty today, since my idea for dealing with Prince Uvtak – since it seems he will report how "soft" our soldiers are if he ever returns home – is to send him with a gift of one of our prototype fire tubes. A leaky one. Let's see what they think of the shrieking.
Post by: crazyabe on December 28, 2017, 02:44:48 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 28, 2017, 08:14:53 am
I'm unconvinced that he actually cares or even knows that Ceodwell was anciently Parsian land, compared to just wanting to make a Parsian empire where he is now, but, you know what would help us find that out? Writing a letter
This is legit, but since we have (as far as we know right now) a choice between that letter and preparing for an attack from them or Gutba, it seems like the safer choice to just built the forts. It's not like they are useless, even if "make Parsia great again" turns out to mean "in fact we're going to focus on internal matters for the next sixty years" since Gutba is still our enemy, or at least not friendly towards us.
I don't think we actually have to build the forts. We bypassed most of em when we attack Ceodwell, right? What we would be doing is moving our troops to the forts, away from their duties of keeping the Zealots from killing each other.
Hum, you know, you're right, that's a pretty good point. I don't know how it'd be. It'd be silly for them to bypass our boarder forts and show up at the capital anything but starving to death and picked apart by constant raiding. But I guess that's also totally possible. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Reading back though the war, it looks like we left 20% of our forces around their first line of defense and then knocked over the rest. So we didn't just totally bypass them. Ceodwell is also pretty long... Considering there was two lines of defense between us and their capital... I think we can probably make it impossible for Gutba to bypass our defenses reasonably unless they pass though Kashite, which is probably possible for them to do. Not sure about Kashite. If they do attack us from their western part and go for our capital, they could bypass most of Ceodwell. If they try to capture and hold Ceodwell to force a peace where they get it, forts would be useful... But it's hard to tell how it will work. So. You're right. I'm not sure.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 28, 2017, 11:52:23 am
LETTERS
LETTERS FOR EVERYONE
Post by: omada on December 28, 2017, 12:06:28 pm
P.S.
I must be feeling particularly nasty today, since my idea for dealing with Prince Uvtak – since it seems he will report how "soft" our soldiers are if he ever returns home – is to send him with a gift of one of our prototype fire tubes. A leaky one. Let's see what they think of the shrieking.
:o
Post by: Prophet on December 28, 2017, 10:26:41 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 28, 2017, 10:52:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 30, 2017, 07:53:07 am
bbbbbb
You decide to send the Army east and have the local fortresses polished for eventual aggression from the Parsians.
1132 AD, End of the Year
Per usual, the Advisor comes in to your room, and you can check on Scrolls of Kingdom Status once more.
Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 7
Those are fine numbers.
1133 AD, Spring
Scandal in the palace!
Ysa, the commoner wife of your son and heir Leath, pregnant with his second child, has been caught with Utvak of Agaresians in his cell, doing blatantly perverse things. Already the nobility is both disgusted and enraged, equally blaming you, your heir, his wife and some other people for letting this to occur in the first place ('a proper lady wouldn't sleep around with barbarians!', they say). Leath is equally infuriated, if not more.
Ysa claims that she wasn't 'self' when he seduced her, while Utvak only responded with mocking laughter and words 'finally there is feisty woman in this kingdom.'
Your prestige and reputation has been compromised, so mayhaps you should try to maintain some degree of face here?
As for Ysa...
A) Ask the priests to annul her marriage with Leath and remove her children from dynastic line, then kick her outta the palace.
B) Ask the priests to annul her marriage with Leath and remove her children from dynastic line, then exile her from Kingdom of Methiant forever.
C) Ask the priests to annul her marriage with Leath and remove her children from dynastic line, then execute her.
D) Forgive her this little tryst, surely the wicked barbarian from the east must've hypnotized her!
As for Prince Utvak...
A) Execute him.
B) Ransom him so finally you get rid of his presence.
C) Forgive him, as surely the wretched commoner girl is the one who tried to get into his pants first!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 30, 2017, 07:57:36 am
Post by: Haspen on December 30, 2017, 08:05:54 am
/me joins #leaveleathaloneteam
Post by: Taricus on December 30, 2017, 08:06:54 am
D, A. Utvak brings such dishonour onto the house of which he is a guest, He shall pay the price in blood.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 30, 2017, 08:11:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on December 30, 2017, 08:15:41 am
Post by: Arlos on December 30, 2017, 08:35:49 am
Post by: omada on December 30, 2017, 08:55:12 am
E) put in Leath's hand the appropriated punishment (explain him that if he does not something harsh the kingdom will come to screw him REALLY hard and that fun is over)
for the barbarian....
B, But return him with a GIFT
P.S.
I must be feeling particularly nasty today, since my idea for dealing with Prince Uvtak – since it seems he will report how "soft" our soldiers are if he ever returns home – is to send him with a gift of one of our prototype fire tubes. A leaky one. Let's see what they think of the shrieking.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 30, 2017, 09:27:45 am
Executing a prince and a princess, that ought to get the masses to stop grumbling!
Post by: Weirdsound on December 30, 2017, 11:58:50 am
Post by: Criptfeind on December 30, 2017, 12:01:48 pm
P.S.
I must be feeling particularly nasty today, since my idea for dealing with Prince Uvtak – since it seems he will report how "soft" our soldiers are if he ever returns home – is to send him with a gift of one of our prototype fire tubes. A leaky one. Let's see what they think of the shrieking.
Does anyone else feel like it'd be a really bad idea to give deadly weapon technology we've been working on for decades to our quite probably enemies, even if it's a dangerous prototype? Like? Do we expect them to not realize it could be dangerous, and have the king operate it for a laugh? As opposed to try to find out what it is and probably manage to reverse engineer it?
Anyone? No? Just me?
Post by: milo christiansen on December 30, 2017, 12:08:16 pm
Post by: Baffler on December 30, 2017, 12:53:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 30, 2017, 12:58:50 pm
We don't want to piss off our son, and we do want to try to regain some cash based off the fact that he have this guy. If they disagree with ransom THEN we kill him.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 30, 2017, 12:59:45 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 30, 2017, 01:50:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 30, 2017, 02:17:11 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 30, 2017, 02:26:12 pm
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You have Utvak executed. Per traditional ceremonial way of executing foreign nobility in Methiant, he is thrown into the moat with chain&ball around his neck.
Marriage between Leath and Ysa is annulled and the crying woman and her toddler are kicked out of the palace by a pair of guards.
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Leath is obviously non-plussed about that, but after some talking he begrudingly accepts that being lenient with Ysa would only allow her to try worse and more scandalizing things in the future.
1133 AD, Summer
For some reason this particular, hot summer day has been choosen by not one but three visiting personas to knock at your gates. One of them is a merchant of some renown, dealing in fabrics and perfume from the north; the other is a scholar who has a proposal to the Crown (something about a ruined castle or some such), and the third is an envoy from the Kash- err, Parsia. First to get an audience will be...
A) The Parsian.
B) The Scholar.
C) The Merchant.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 30, 2017, 02:28:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 30, 2017, 02:47:09 pm
The Parsians have either good news for us, or a Casus belli. I'd count either as a positive outcome.
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 30, 2017, 02:49:57 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 30, 2017, 02:50:49 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on December 30, 2017, 02:51:48 pm
A+1
The Parsians have either good news for us, or a Casus belli. I'd count either as a positive outcome.
If the latter, then we get more land, always a good thing.
Post by: Haspen on December 30, 2017, 03:05:05 pm
"Greetings, King Cyl of Methiant! I am Babab Hahalol, and I bring an offer from my glorious master, King Shapur! In his magnificent studies of old maps and ancient tomes of knowledge, he has found out that the lands in the very south of Ceodwell are rightfully Parsian." The courtiers grumble and murmur aloud but the envoy doesn't stop speaking.
"Therefore, my lord and master, King Shapur, in his magnanimity, offers a trade and a marriage deal to perhaps convince you! He understands that the main point of resistance to his offer would be the highly profitable gold mines. Therefore, for next twenty years, half of the profits from these excellent mines would be sent to your coffers, before the ownership would fully fall into Parsian hands."
"In exchange, King Shapur is ready to give away the settlements and glassworks located at the border, near the Minirok Mountains, the southern of mountain ranges in Parsian west, as well as give away the hand of his eldest daughter to one of your many prince-sons, as he has learned most of them are adult or almost adult and would soon be looking for a viable bride." The trade-off is evident even without your trade advisor chiming in; gold mines produce direct profits, while quality glasswork requires finding a buyer - on other hand, access to such luxuries could strengthen people's belief in the dynasty, plus family ties with Parsia could also be beneficial in a long run...
A) That is a fine offer, and I agree!
B) How about something little extra on top?
C) These lands are rightfully ours and I won't sell them!
Post by: milo christiansen on December 30, 2017, 03:06:38 pm
If we want the glassworks we can take them.
Post by: ZBridges on December 30, 2017, 03:07:06 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 30, 2017, 03:14:49 pm
A question for Haspen, we're renovating the forts of Ceodwell, right? Would this deal include the one's we're working on? or are they more northwesternly?
Post by: Haspen on December 30, 2017, 03:16:23 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 30, 2017, 03:20:51 pm
And it makes the border look so much better. So, A.
Also our Heir needs a new wife I guess. If they are okay with his eldest daughter marrying someone so embroiled in martial scandal. (Tbh I... Think I'd understand if he prefer Ustwelf...
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 30, 2017, 03:24:23 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 30, 2017, 03:42:37 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 30, 2017, 04:03:59 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 30, 2017, 04:07:15 pm
I say B. If we roll good, we get a better deal, if we roll bad and piss em off, we were probably going to attack them anyway. I don't see how we lose with B.
Post by: Arlos on December 30, 2017, 05:39:47 pm
C
Post by: Kashyyk on December 30, 2017, 06:28:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 30, 2017, 06:41:46 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 30, 2017, 07:03:58 pm
hopefully it leads to war and we can just take everything for ourselves.
Post by: melkor on December 30, 2017, 08:11:08 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 30, 2017, 08:12:09 pm
C
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 30, 2017, 08:23:46 pm
We are not giving up landsDon't think of it as "giving up", think of it as "putting on loan until a future heir is in their line of succession and something just terrible happens to everyone ahead of him".
Post by: Taricus on December 30, 2017, 08:32:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 30, 2017, 08:53:18 pm
Don't think of it as "giving up", think of it as "putting on loan until a future heir is in their line of succession and something just terrible happens to everyone ahead of him".
A
Post by: Twinwolf on December 30, 2017, 09:03:25 pm
A.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 30, 2017, 09:08:49 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 30, 2017, 09:55:46 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 30, 2017, 10:41:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 31, 2017, 03:54:21 am
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9a, 2b, 7c
You agree for the exchange of lands and marrying of kids.
"Splendid! The daughter of King Shapur is named Abis, and she is of nineteen summers. She dances, sings and clothes like the most beautiful of songbirds in the world. Do tell, good King Cyl, which of your sons you wish to see as her husband?"
A) "Leath!"
B) "Ustwelf!"
C) "Houlandin!"
D) "Connan, when he grows up."
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 31, 2017, 03:57:58 am
Post by: Imic on December 31, 2017, 04:07:39 am
Post by: Taricus on December 31, 2017, 04:09:38 am
You bastards who voted for letting Parsia live are going down in THE BOOK.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 31, 2017, 04:12:23 am
Post by: ZBridges on December 31, 2017, 04:12:40 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 31, 2017, 04:13:12 am
You bastards who voted for letting Parsia live are going down in THE BOOK.
This marriage need not mean that we let Parsia live. In fact, it could allow us to press claims later.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 31, 2017, 07:57:59 am
Post by: omada on December 31, 2017, 10:16:03 am
A)hey leath, go sing with her (and if unfortune strikes shanshan family we are the closest to a true heir)
Post by: Haspen on December 31, 2017, 11:32:48 am
Back to the present however, two more audiences remain!
A) Northern merchant next please.
B) Archeology scholar next please.
Post by: Criptfeind on December 31, 2017, 11:34:03 am
Post by: Iituem on December 31, 2017, 11:34:58 am
Post by: omada on December 31, 2017, 11:47:33 am
Post by: Weirdsound on December 31, 2017, 11:51:30 am
Post by: Haspen on December 31, 2017, 12:50:55 pm
The tall, pudgy man wears robes of Alldivines but without any clerical insignia on him. He bows deeply and claps his hands.
"Good King Cyl, I bring news of tremendous importance for culture of our nation! After many, many years of studying ancient tomes and buying information from adventurers and noblemen alike, I believe I have found the ancient tomb of Kings of Tygwand Dynasty!" Your courtiers murmur excitedly; before the old Kingdom of Luathbas, there was few tyrants, before them, a very successful dynasty of five kings, whose remains were laid to rest in a family tomb with lots of riches - or so the tale goes. The tomb was never found and many believe it to be a fairy tale.
"Alas, I have little money to fund an expedition to unearth the fabled royal graves."
"So you want money." The Advisor speaks, and the fat man claps his hands.
"Of course, and some supplies, and a few guards won't hurt either. As for the tombs, I will be satisfied with just few items, and the rest will go into the glorious hands of His Majesty of course."
A) "Grave-digging disgusts me! To the dungeon with you!"
B) "Fine, you will have the money, and supplies, and guards - go and find the tombs for me!"
C) "This is exciting to hear! Tell me more about your research, and details behind your hunt for the tomb, please!"
Post by: Criptfeind on December 31, 2017, 01:03:19 pm
Post by: omada on December 31, 2017, 01:28:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 31, 2017, 01:39:29 pm
Good King Yoe
Hey man, you got the wrong Duede, so uh...
C
Like, tell us what you found anyway, man.
Post by: Puppyguard on December 31, 2017, 02:24:25 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 31, 2017, 02:49:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 31, 2017, 03:11:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 31, 2017, 04:48:15 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 31, 2017, 05:10:02 pm
duh
btw, how old was leath again?
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 31, 2017, 05:14:51 pm
btw, how old was leath again?
Born 1115, now it's 1133, so 18 - he and Abis are one year apart, so that's pretty good!
Post by: Haspen on December 31, 2017, 07:48:00 pm
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You don't tell him that you recently spoke with one of your courtiers about these
A) I won't sponsor him though.
B) Fine, he shall have the funds.
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 31, 2017, 07:48:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 31, 2017, 07:48:59 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on December 31, 2017, 07:50:06 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 31, 2017, 08:00:05 pm
B
Post by: helmacon on December 31, 2017, 08:22:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 31, 2017, 08:28:23 pm
Post by: Iituem on December 31, 2017, 10:58:27 pm
Post by: crazyabe on December 31, 2017, 11:11:00 pm
Post by: omada on December 31, 2017, 11:11:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on December 31, 2017, 11:37:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 05:49:37 am
Finally, you meet with the merchant.
"Greetings, King Cyl! I am Taun, merchants of fine furs, perfumes and gemstones. I have recently visited the gem mines your Majesty owns and I will be honest, it pains my heart that these gemstones are sold locally!"
"What do you mean?" The merchant claps his hands.
"I have many clients in the north, in Dahnia and Helliste and even Albion, who would pay well for these splendorous gems your subjects mine in the south. So I offer a deal; the gemstones end in my hands, and I sell them in the north, and we split profits. Say, a third for his Majesty, and two thirds for me, as to cover my expenses and such." The merchants smiles greedily while rubbing his hands.
A) "Tis a scam! To dungeon with you!"
B) "Fine, we will hand over the gemstone mines to you, Taun."
C) "Do tell me about your many clients, I'm intrigued."
D) "That isn't exactly a fair offer! How about 50/50 instead?"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 05:52:58 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 01, 2018, 05:58:32 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 01, 2018, 07:57:27 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 08:08:49 am
I wish there was a simple "no" option, because unless we have proof just jailing a dude is stupid.
A
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 08:09:32 am
He doesn't like to share names so he shares other information.
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You're no merchant and he talks a lot. Therefore, you guess he must know his business!
A) Money for him then!
B) No money for him!
C) I want 50/50 split though!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 08:11:00 am
He's not even told us he expects to make significantly more then what we're selling them for here... Which is... What? Are we actually getting anything from the gems? I can't recall them, and searching the thread for them hasn't been helpful.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 01, 2018, 08:19:40 am
I call BS.
Post by: Iituem on January 01, 2018, 08:32:51 am
I call BS.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 01, 2018, 08:48:46 am
Post by: omada on January 01, 2018, 08:51:30 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 08:51:40 am
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 09:46:34 am
1133 AD, Autumn
Marriage of Leath to Abis is a grand one, and three of her uncles were present as emissaries of King Shapur (he was unable to attend). While Abis seems enthusiastic if not a little nervous, Leath rarely musters a smile. Oh well.
With the wedding pact comes the document of ownership of the glassworks and surrounding settlements, and you provide Abis' uncles with document of shifted ownership of the gold mines and nearby villages and outposts.
1133 AD, Mid-Autumn
News arrive from the west; Tirines were beaten up by Daric III and once again put under Eldrican seniority.
1133 AD, Winter
Silver, part of gold, as well as gemstones arrive in your Treasury.
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And metals mined in the east provide some profits.
The quality glass items arrive at your palace, too; there is a lot of them, mostly bowls, vases, pitchers and goblets. The Treasurer hums.
"Sire, these are items of lesser quantity, so trading them away is only viable option. Shall we send diplomats to our neighbours in search for a buyer?" You decide to...
A) Sell them to Methiantese nobility.
B) Seek some foreign buyer.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 01, 2018, 09:48:38 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 09:49:20 am
Post by: Iituem on January 01, 2018, 11:47:59 am
Post by: omada on January 01, 2018, 11:55:22 am
Or the Agaresians.
After killing their heir, it's better for us to start building forts on the hurthling kingdom asap because they will trade lizard skins for blood, and we have to make sure we get a bigger deal of lizard skins per blood drop
(Funny stuff, we refurbished the Ceodwellian forts and sold the land, would they invade and not trade if we didn't had done that? we will never know)
B If we don't find we can sell here
Post by: mightymushroom on January 01, 2018, 01:34:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 01:55:42 pm
1133 AD, Midwinter
Wonderufl news come from the scholar! He has found the royal tombs of Tygwand Dynasty!
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The tombs were proven to be unopened and never touched by a single thief. Chests upon chests of gold, jewels and silver were unearthed along with finely preserved fabrics and even bottles of perfume that had their caps' seals still lasting. The royal officials accompanying him are already inventorying the treasures, which will be soon sent to your palace.
Amongst them is a the Coronation Staff, a gilded oaken staff that has been used by the local kings since the 5th century! It was passed from king to king, from dynasty to dynasty. Held in high-esteem by everyone who wielded it, it was in use until the turbulent times during the fall of Tygwands, when this prestigious royal item was lost.
Even better find is a iron longsword. There is naught of information about this sword besides the fact it was buried along one of last princelings of the dynasty. The craftsmanship is of highest levels - or should we say, craftsdwarfship, as dwarven runes run along the cold blade. Despite the sword being old and scratched, the blade is superbly sharp even more. It has simple shape and seems undetailed, until one looks more closely at the hilt and pommel, where there are numerous miniature etchings. The dwarven runes call the sword as 'The Wolf-Fang'.
Now it is time to decide what to do with all these artifacts!
As for The Coronation Staff...
A) Find a buyer, a relic of such magnitude will fetch us a fortune!
B) Add it to Crown Jewels of Methiant, to increase our prestige and strengthen our reputation.
As for The Wolf-Fang...
A) Let's pawn it to a wealthy merchant, it should sell for a nice price!
B) Bring it to me, this is a weapon fit for a King!
C) Send it back to the dwarves, as a gift.
Post by: birdy51 on January 01, 2018, 01:59:20 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 01, 2018, 02:01:04 pm
B
Whoo for cool artifacts! Also screw the Dwarves that Sword is ours! Those Dwarves better have learned they're lesson about touching our artifacts because we don't have another war distracting us right now and they just so happen to have another fortress which is close and easy to reach from Methiant.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 02:11:32 pm
B
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 02:22:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 02:40:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 03:01:10 pm
1133 AD, Late Winter
They arrive along with the treasures, which are added to the Treasury. The Treasurer estimates that the hoard brought as much money as your mines do in a year!
The Coronation Staff is brought to the vault, and will be used during ceremonies. The Wolf-Fang seems a fine blade, and you give it few swings. It is a good weapon.
Few days later, your diplomats return from Cydwyl and Lametania; their nobles and rulers weren't interested in your glass crafts.
1133 AD, End of the Year
The winter is pleasantly calm and mild this year. As you sip on the mulled wine, the Advisor finds the time to bring the Scrolls of Kingdom Status to your study.
Happiness: 4
Population: 8
Economy: 10!
Army: 8
"My liege! The Treasury is filled with wealth that asks to be spent! To ought avoid reputation of a scrooge, we should spend part of it in some way."
You decide to...
A) Sponsor some glorious celeberations to appease peasants and nobles alike.
B) Commission some grandiose statue to reflect your glory and majesty as King of Methiant.
C) -
D) Refurbish, renovate and repair the royal Palace.
E) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
F) Fund renovation of border outposts in the Kingdom.
G) Send some gifts to one of our neighbours to strengthen relations.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 03:08:14 pm
Good walls make good neighbors.
Post by: melkor on January 01, 2018, 03:09:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 03:14:37 pm
A
We can count on our army score of 8 to deal with the consequences of a happiness score of 4, and if it gets any lower, we can just throw parties next year. A is an option we get no matter what our economy score is. The other options are far less common. Lets not waste the opportunity.
Post by: Twinwolf on January 01, 2018, 03:22:56 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 01, 2018, 03:26:09 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 01, 2018, 03:39:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 01, 2018, 03:41:28 pm
A
We can count on our army score of 8 to deal with the consequences of a happiness score of 4, and if it gets any lower, we can just throw parties next year. A is an option we get no matter what our economy score is. The other options are far less common. Lets not waste the opportunity.
None of the other options are that good though, and I'd like to have a bit of a cushion on the happiness as it seems to be our 8 army that does the rebelling.
A
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 03:55:26 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 01, 2018, 04:33:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 01, 2018, 04:35:20 pm
Can anyone tell me the possible effects of B or D? Would it improve reputation (i.e. diplomacy) to have a nicer palace perhaps? Even after all our successes I feel like we're treated as a country bumpkin by the southerners (and even our westward brother-in-law). Were those options ever chosen in a previous SPAMKINGDOM?
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 04:43:00 pm
Majick
Post by: Twinwolf on January 01, 2018, 04:44:23 pm
EYou realize that the last time we did that we basically crippled our economy for not a ton of benefit right :P
Majick
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 04:50:45 pm
1134 AD, Summer
There is a great clamor amongst the populace and not without a reason. Exactly a hundred years ago, the warrior-philosopher Daen first gathered his students in what is now south-eastern Methiant (formerly Ceodwell), to codify and write down the fundamental tenets of Alldivine faith.
Many a nobleman, peasant and clergy (of course) believe that the Kingdom of Methiant should celebrate the centenary of this religious enlightenment, and while numerous cities will sponsor their own festivities, there is opportunity for the Crown to also sponsor feasts and such.
A) Sorry but nope.
B) Absolutely!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 01, 2018, 04:53:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 04:55:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 01, 2018, 05:06:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 05:16:16 pm
You realize that the last time we did that we basically crippled our economy for not a ton of benefit right :P
King Yoe II wasn't a lot of benefit? Ehhhh. I don't think that's fair even if you would have rather we stayed Luath (which is a surprising thing to hear you say). Other then King Yoe II as well, it's a lot easier to see when we don't have the benefit then to realize it's direct effects. We've not lost a family member to illness, an event that used to be pretty common, for twenty years. True, we aren't seeing some massive benefit because kings are way more likely too die to stupid shit rather then old age or an illness, but we have tons of sons and a solid buffer between death in case that particular form comes to us. Possibly even our sons will as well, although idk how long the blessing will last.
Furthermore there's no reason to act like it's potentially only as good as we got last time. We know exactly what happens with a sorceress (although there's question of how bad it is for the magic of the kingdom afterwords, that seems a bit squishy, seems like SOMETHING happens at least.). We picked this non visible blessing because we wanted to get King Yoe back, if you want something flashy, like marital or charismatic, we could pick that this time. Hell, if we had martial+Conqueror title... We'd be as strong as Houlandin III! Imagine that! Houlandin III's ability in war with advanced weapons and a professional army... There'd be little that could stop Cyl then.
Anyway, about this decision. It's true that we don't officially support any religion as the state religion... But that's not to say we don't support religions at all, we do normally give them some support and donations, just making sure it's to all of them. Considering the special nature of this time, I think it's fair to sponsor some stuff.
B
Post by: Arlos on January 01, 2018, 05:19:45 pm
Sure.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 01, 2018, 05:24:29 pm
b
Post by: Imic on January 01, 2018, 05:27:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 01, 2018, 05:34:25 pm
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It did well to rise the people's spirits. Unfortunately, some of the clerics in other major faiths in Methiant seem to be slightly miffed about Alldivines getting chummy with you (or rather, your money). Luckily, they don't seem to be stirring anything up now.
1134 AD, Midsummer
The courtiers bring up word from tutors about your daughter, Eirika. It seems that, while she does well in various girly and royal studies, she has no particular talent on her own. Nurses and court ladies do mention that she is healthy, having excellent teeth and mild bleeding like clockwork.
1134 AD, Late Summer
Glory to the Yoean dynasty! The heir has a heir; Princess Abis of Parsia gave birth to a healthy baby boy. After some consultation with Leath, she agreed to name him 'Yoe', after your grandfather.
Few days later you get news from the north; King Talon of Cydwyl is dead! Apparently, in his own, arrogant belief that he knows better than many healers, an otherwise mild fever developed into illness of lungs, after he insisted that all he needs is his personal tinctures and brews. After a week of being bedridden, he passed away with 'his head as hot as smoldering charcoals', according to medics.
His son, Cidric, while not very bright, has the heart of a King and is popular with soldiers and commoners, and soon earned the backing of his noblemen and relatives as well. He shall ascend to the throne of Cydwyl within weeks, after he buries his father.
A) Let's be 'amicable neighbour' as his father wished and send him a letter.
B) Alrighty. Now let's move on. Can we move on?
C) Such a tragedy! We should visit Cidric and pay honors to his late father personally.
Post by: omada on January 01, 2018, 05:36:38 pm
You realize that the last time we did that we basically crippled our economy for not a ton of benefit right :P
-editing your text to reduce the blue box-
B
I agree that the sorcerer WAS in fact useful, but I disagree that if we want something more flashy to choose a trait, trait dies with the king we could choose a magical beast to guard the palace and eat stupid diplomats/assassins or something that would give an obvious bonus that MIGHT carry on to the future as giving strength to the army, of course, if the sorcerer showed up again I would vote for the spell that brings prosperity to the kingdom, as I think it might help us and our populace hapiness at the same time. (other options on top of the list would be the "army bonus spell" or the "keep forgotten beasts away")
C We should keep our north neighbors amicable
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 05:42:34 pm
Maybe it's time to make chums with the new blood?
They've fought against the lizard riding people in the past as well if I recall, and that's a storm brewing we should be building bulwarks against.
On traits that die with leaders. I agree it being a temporary bonus is a word against it, but.... The bonuses are so massive I think it's worth it, specially when you get that rare chance to stack a trait and title.
Post by: omada on January 01, 2018, 05:49:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 05:51:02 pm
C. A romantic militaristic idiot + a lucky land hungry conqueror? Sounds like an alliance made in heaven? We should totally offer him our daughter if he is not yet married.
Post by: melkor on January 01, 2018, 05:52:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 01, 2018, 06:02:23 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 06:09:05 pm
I doubt he'll die of old age, not only is the simply the nature of the game that he'll eventually roll enough 1s in a row and we're no where near old age yet, but because the blessing of the sorceress he'd probably have to live significantly longer to actually die of old age.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 06:10:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 01, 2018, 06:13:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 01, 2018, 06:16:20 pm
We had a long relationship with Dogethe the Lioness of the North, but Talon? Meh. Send appropriate royal condolences.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 01, 2018, 06:34:49 pm
I wonder if Leath hasn't developed the depressed trait. He seems to be taking everything with sad resignation. Hopefully his new wife can bring him out of it.
Well unless he is being cheated on again, Leath still cares enough to get his wife pregnant. He also cares enough to play a role in the naming of his kids. Poor kid probably makes Cyl's childhood trauma look tame by comparison, but I think there is plenty of hope for him.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 01, 2018, 06:38:32 pm
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Post by: Harry Baldman on January 01, 2018, 07:35:15 pm
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Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 11:51:17 am
Within a week of pleasant, and most importantly, calm journey, you and your entourage are in Cydwyl capital.
You pay respects at the freshly furbished tomb of King Talon. The feast that is thrown by Cidric during his coronation ceremony is an auster and not exactly fitting a King, but apparently it was done on his orders.
And much to your chagrin, he prefers dancing with ladies of the court, be it your daughter Eirika or other beautiful maidens from your entourage. During the feast you don't get much chances with the flax-haired youth to discuss things. But during one of the long hours of the evening, the seemingly energetic King Cidric (he have adopted his own name as regnal name, quite untraditional for the region) finally sits down by you.
Now's a chance! What you will try to talk about?
A) Religion!
B) Military!
C) Family!
D) Trade!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 02, 2018, 11:56:39 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 02, 2018, 11:57:58 am
We're looking for a glassware customer and we've heard rumors the north is interested in gems.
Although I admit C is tempting.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 12:01:14 pm
They already turned down our glassware. Although maybe gems or something.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 02, 2018, 12:19:35 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 02, 2018, 12:28:11 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 02, 2018, 01:34:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 01:36:41 pm
Apparently, Cidric is quite smitten with your only daughter, Eirika.
"If you do not wish for her to marry another, I would like her as my queen." He states bluntly after quickly downing a goblet of wine.
A) "Agreed, may she give you many children."
B) "That's not possible, I'm afraid!"
Post by: Weirdsound on January 02, 2018, 01:37:10 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 01:42:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 02:17:02 pm
Queen Victoria, I'm telling you.
Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 02:17:27 pm
Your nobles have had hard time discussing and exchanging rumors with Cidric's courtiers, too; it seems that socializing with foreigners became something not wanted in Cydwyl as of late.
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You learn something interesting however; the apparent economical crisis that started in late 1110s is actually continuing. While King Talon has been exceptionally frugal with expenses and has kept the Treasury afloat, people in Kingdom of Cydwyl are complaining, and its neighbours in the north not really forthcoming with aid.
Finally it is time to get home, and the marriage ceremony between Eirika and Cidric is to take place this year's Midwinter, of course at capital of Cydwyl Kingdom.
A) And our entire family will attend!
B) My wife Esta and some courtiers will attend it!
C) Some of my courtiers will go there.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 02:34:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 02, 2018, 02:42:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 02, 2018, 03:10:22 pm
don't want to risk a red wedding
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 02, 2018, 03:21:45 pm
Maybe we can work out some kind of aid money deal with Cydwyl since they're our buds and all.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 02, 2018, 03:26:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 03:42:03 pm
1134 AD, Autumn
"A WHAT!?!"
"A D-d-dragon, m'liege!" The messenger cries his eyes out. "It has swooped in from th'northeast! It has burned down several villages and then descended upon the city of Gebywch, sire! Its demandin' a great tribute of wealth and a fair maiden all for itself, else the dragon will burn the city and its inhabitants to cinders!"
You decide to...
A) Call upon your Army to do some dragonslaying!
B) 'A Kingdom! A Kingdom for a Wizard!'
C) Ride forth and challenge the beast to deadly combat!!!
D) Hire some lvl40+ adventurers to go and slay the mighty lizard!
E) Ignore it, maybe it will get bored and leave on its own?
F) Send a mighty hoard of money and a fair maiden to the dragon to please it.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 03:44:34 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 02, 2018, 03:47:43 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 03:50:35 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 02, 2018, 03:53:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 02, 2018, 03:54:18 pm
If we win, we are a legend. If we lose, we get to play as our CHA character son, and are free of the prophecy to go to war wherever we damn well please.
Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 03:55:15 pm
Why isn't there an option for "F: Give it a great tribute of wealth and a fair maiden, on condition that it agrees to go attack Lametania instead"? :P
Oh yeh, knew I was forgetting something, fixed.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 03:57:04 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 03:57:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 03:59:42 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 02, 2018, 03:59:54 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 04:05:18 pm
Also see if it has any daughters. We've got a ton of sons to get married.+1
Post by: Haspen on January 02, 2018, 04:38:18 pm
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The battle is a mighty one, worthy of song and bard's tale! In opening move, the officers managed to perforate one of Dragon's wings after quadruple volley of Thundercat fire, which caused the giant lizard to become flightless. Then, the footsoldiers and horsemen descended upon the beast like ants, overwhelming it. Finally, in fifth hour of the fighting, one young horseman called Ydwig managed to plunge his lance right into the dragon's eyesocket and into its brain, sending it into spasmatic fit that ended only with its last breath!
Despite many hundreds of casualties, the loss is offset by a throng of patriotic youths, voluntarily taking upon soldiery careers to be 'part of the best army in the world'.
1134 AD, Mid-Autumn
Crafters and leatherworkers alike have turned the bones and leather of the slain Dragon into fine trinkets and souvenirs from the battle, all of these sold with a tax that filled the Treasury somewhat!
1134 AD, Late Autumn
There are some disturbing news from the east; Shapur began a campaign to reinforce the local religious orthodoxy of Eleven; numerous foreign cults are being curbed in power and their worshippers are introduced to a novelty but highly cruel concept - a worship tax.
The Alldivine movement suffers the most; many of the cult's keeps and manors were retaken by Parsian military and several promiment religious leaders were forced to relocate. This is particularily devastating blow because the Alldivine philosophy has first spread to Parsian region, then to Ceodwell and finally to the populous Luathbasian basin.
A) My fellow Alldiviners are being persecuted!? DEUS VULT!!
B) This deeply troubles the Crown of Methiant. King Shapur will soon receive a letter filled with my displeasure at his actions!
C) Eeeh, it's his country, I don't feel like I should be getting involved.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 02, 2018, 04:44:49 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 02, 2018, 04:48:19 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 02, 2018, 04:56:55 pm
Actually I just remembered that Leath did have a kid who can be the de jure King of Parsia under his parents' regency. But I still think we should diplomat for now.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 02, 2018, 04:59:08 pm
We have his daughter and a legitimate excuse to go to war. We are a conqueror with a Dragon Slaying Army. Lets make Parsia Our Bitch Again!
Luathbasian basin.
Try saying that five times fast...
B - we should wait until we have an heir to install on their throne before starting anything.
We can put our son and his daughter on his throne. Its no big deal. We have more sons to take our own place.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 02, 2018, 05:05:04 pm
Post by: Imic on January 02, 2018, 05:16:49 pm
Eeeeeeh...
A.
I've gone to the
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 02, 2018, 05:26:46 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 02, 2018, 05:31:51 pm
The very fact that we have a daughter and (potential) heir pushed me toward diplomacy. I feel like it's poor form to attack one's in-laws over their internal affairs.
Post by: Arlos on January 02, 2018, 05:46:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 02, 2018, 06:03:01 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 02, 2018, 06:03:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 02, 2018, 06:04:03 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 02, 2018, 06:22:37 pm
Post by: omada on January 02, 2018, 11:14:38 pm
B we must keep our name as a kind of "protector of religions" or a bastion of freedom, and have the possibility of having so many titles that people will begun to call us "the great"
Post by: Puppyguard on January 02, 2018, 11:32:09 pm
If he displeases us more we can do A.
Besides, letters are our thing now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 03, 2018, 01:10:10 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 03, 2018, 02:54:44 am
A
Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 09:13:30 am
Few days later, as you're closing your eyes to get some sleep besides your wife, you feel a gentle breeze and some presence within the room. You sit up just in time to see an assassin sneaking toward the bed with a dagger!
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You manage to grab your sword just in time to deflect the strike, which sends the assassin running!
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The guards, alarmed by your wife's screams, barge in just as the man with the dagger jumps through the window. One of the guards alerts those outside and the rest bolt out of the chambers, giving chase.
A little while later in the night you learn that the assassin didn't get away but that he also didn't survive; some archers on the wall pincushioned him with arrows as he tried to climb over the walls.
In the morning, your Spymaster has some unpleasant news.
"My liege, we have checked the belongings of the dead assassin. He had no information on him." He presents you a dagger, well-made and of local design. It could've been made anywhere from Eldrican to the Lametania and its 'duchies'. The Spymaster will send his agents to gather information in these places, while your captain of the guard will triple the amount of guards on active duty, 24/7.
1134 AD, Winter
Your courtiers mention that Connan shapes to be yet another martial genius in his youth. He especially has shown talent for archery, of all things.
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Silver, gold, gemstones and metals arrive, all providing profits for the Treasury.
And then there's the glassware from previous year and this. No one abroad has positively replied to your inquiries, so...
A) We gotta ask around again!
B) We gotta sell it to our own people.
Post by: Arlos on January 03, 2018, 09:16:40 am
B
Post by: Criptfeind on January 03, 2018, 09:19:27 am
Are we getting Economy points for this glassware when we sell it to our people? Or happiness? Or something? it's unclear.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 03, 2018, 09:34:56 am
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Your trade advisor reports some nice profits (inevitable, considering the amount sold), but what's more important the buyers, of nobility and craftsmen and merchants, were very excited to get their hands on a new brand of quality goods. They surely think better of you because of this!
1134 AD, Midwinter
You attend the marriage ceremony between Cidric and Eirika. The young couple looks beautiful and you can't help but have your moustache wobble from emotions. After all, you're the first from the dynasty to live and rule this long to be able to marry off your children and even get grandkids.
The grandiose feast is sponsored by Cidric's court, mostly by his wealthy uncles, and the young King, just like few months ago, seems more inclined to party hard rather than do any diplomatizing with his father-in-law.
Though there is a moment when he finally sits down at your side. You have a slight deja vu experience, but oh well. You decide to talk about...
A) Family!
B) Religion!
C) Money!
D) Army!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 03, 2018, 10:15:04 am
An ally against lizard people would be nice.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 03, 2018, 10:33:46 am
Post by: Arlos on January 03, 2018, 10:56:34 am
Might as well help them get their economy back on it's feet now the we are in law.
I am Curious about what kind of Reputation Methiant and our king have in others countries.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 03, 2018, 11:46:12 am
Considering how many parties this guy throws, he probably isn't running his army effectively either.
D Cidric seems the type to be happy to have "the best army in the world" take over peacekeeping duties in exchange for a simple oath of loyalty with his new father-in-law. (bonus if Eirica nudges him toward it too.) And even if that grandiose plan fails, we may still make progress on an alliance against the Agaresians.
Post by: crazyabe on January 03, 2018, 11:49:49 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 03, 2018, 11:50:41 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 03, 2018, 11:51:59 am
Clearly he enjoys parties. Or at least enjoys them more then he likes talking to us (not saying much). But I don't see where the impression that he's an irresponsible party animal is coming from.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 11:59:45 am
Post by: milo christiansen on January 03, 2018, 12:25:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 12:29:09 pm
C Let's buy some good will. We can take the place later, right now the west is heating up again.
D isn't about taking the place, I don't think. Its about forming an alliance. From what we know about our new Son-in-law, he is militaristic, romantic, and kinda dumb. We might just need to say 'X is wicked and we should attack them' and he could be on board.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 03, 2018, 12:45:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 03, 2018, 12:45:12 pm
Post by: omada on January 03, 2018, 12:58:21 pm
Do we need to attack anyone? We have strategically relevant marriages with Parsia and Cydwyl and the Eldricans, and there's neither a particularly belligerent upstart such as Ceodwell about and places like Parsia seem to be experiencing a resurgence - honestly I think it'd be best to bide our time for now and wait for either the Damdamians to start making waves or for the Gubtas to show weakness that we can team up with Parsia (and possibly Cydwyl) to mercilessly exploit.
Remember that we killed an agaresian heir, and they seen to be a bit big, they WILL march with their troops on hurthlings soil, when they do it's better for us to have another friend to counter-attack them in another front and break their supply lines
But first things off C we can try to sell something that might fill his coffers, in times of war we can just send an letter "hey Agaresians are attacking us, and they sometimes attacks your kingdom too, use this chance as their army is occupied to strike in their lands, it's a one time opportunity"
Post by: Iituem on January 03, 2018, 01:04:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 01:18:31 pm
Another of those damned ties 'V.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 03, 2018, 01:20:06 pm
D
Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 01:29:03 pm
"Alliance!" He exclaims happily, equally happily munching on some chicken leg. "If we were to protect each other, you with those Thundercats of yours, and me with my proud cavalrymen, nothing could possibly endanger our Kingdoms! What you say, dear father?"
A) "Err, sure."
B) "No, that's not what I was thinking about!"
Post by: Criptfeind on January 03, 2018, 01:29:42 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 03, 2018, 01:32:01 pm
Post by: omada on January 03, 2018, 01:33:54 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 03, 2018, 01:39:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 02:00:23 pm
We might get dragged the wrong way from the prophecy, but its worth the risk.
Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 02:06:39 pm
One pitcher, of course, is for you alone.
The feast continues on, and you spot Ustwelf dancing and chatting with several ladies, but it seems he is enamored with a flaxen-haired girl about his age. Given her dress and that several maids seem to accompany her, she must be important.
A) Let's ask Cidric about possible extra family bond?
B) It's a party after all!
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 02:15:11 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 03, 2018, 02:18:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 03, 2018, 02:19:14 pm
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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 03, 2018, 02:35:17 pm
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Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 03:19:57 pm
"That's Agna, my cousin by mother's side. Her father and my uncle is planning to have her married to a wealthy Helliste merchant."
A) "I see, thank you for telling me."
B) "Don't you think that Ustwelf, who is dancing with her, would make a more lovely match for her?"
And now for something different!
Thanks to Lord_lemonpie, who in his post in a different thread included a link to drawshield.net, I was finally able to do what I always wanted - quickly draw coats of arms for various nations of the region!
Therefore I present, CoA's of Methiant, Cydwyl, Eldrican, Gubta, Lametania, Parsia, and the Holy Damdamian Empire (in that order)!
Spoiler: 7 Coats of Arms (click to show/hide)
I will probably add more soon, but don't really have any ideas. Dahnia would have a fox, I think? I dunno.
EDIT: Added Coats of Arms for Agares, Albion, Dahnia, Helliste and Koi!
Spoiler: 5 New Coats of Arms (click to show/hide)
EDITEDIT: 3 more Coats, for Lametanian Duchies; Eval, Aran and Llamber, in that order!
Spoiler: 3 Extra Coats of Arms (click to show/hide)
EDITEDITEDIT: And finally 2 CoA's for Eldrican duchies; Alsas and Tirine.
Spoiler: 2 Super Fresh Coats of Arms (click to show/hide)
FINALEDIT?: Three remaining Coats of Arms, for the far-western State of Prawlant, Duchy of Tavlak and Republic of Calvendocia!
Spoiler: 3 Final Coats (click to show/hide)
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 03, 2018, 03:27:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 03:29:10 pm
B, and clearly Lametania, Parsia, and Damdamia are our true and proper enemies, participating not as we do in the holy tradition of animal penises.
I didn't notice the dicks on the coats of arms. Thanks alot. Cannot unsee.
Also, lets not rock the boat. A
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 03, 2018, 03:44:12 pm
I didn't notice the dicks on the coats of arms. Thanks alot. Cannot unsee.It is a fine heraldic tradition! (and how on earth did you MISS them?!)
Post by: Arlos on January 03, 2018, 03:50:27 pm
Amazing Coat of Arms!
Post by: Puppyguard on January 03, 2018, 04:11:41 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 03, 2018, 04:28:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 03, 2018, 04:35:32 pm
You try to persuade him to agree to have Agna marry Ustwelf.
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Cidric laughs it off.
"I do not wish to anger my uncle, apologies. And our Kingdoms have already bonded with one marriage. One should not be greedy!" Cidric loses interest in politics pretty soon and returns to revelry, while you have to move on as well. And poor Ustwelf is again without a potential bride.
Two days later, after the feasts are done with, Cidric surprises you by willingly coming over to your chambers.
"The festivities are over, and while we have arranged some sort of agreement between us, maybe there's something else you wished to discuss with me?" You decide to seize the opportunity and talk about...
A) Money!
B) Armies!
C) Cults!
EDIT: 3 MORE COATS for Lametanian duchies!
Post by: Arlos on January 03, 2018, 04:39:42 pm
Man, we will never be getting any of our Child what they want are we ?
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 03, 2018, 04:41:00 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 03, 2018, 04:49:35 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 03, 2018, 04:53:57 pm
Lets see how much help these guys need.
Post by: omada on January 03, 2018, 05:26:03 pm
A It's not a good time to let our neighboors have money trouble.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 03, 2018, 06:04:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 12:31:51 am
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"My coffers do not have much to lend you, King Cyl."
"Actually, I was hoping to help you fill them."
"How?"
A) "You see, I have this glassware..."
B) "I was thinking about giving you a loan. A small one."
C) "By sending some money your way."
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 12:39:37 am
Post by: crazyabe on January 04, 2018, 12:48:35 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 04, 2018, 01:04:53 am
Post by: Baffler on January 04, 2018, 02:54:29 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 04, 2018, 02:56:52 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 03:44:29 am
Post by: Imic on January 04, 2018, 06:28:39 am
We might as well.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 04, 2018, 06:34:23 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 07:31:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 04, 2018, 07:33:04 am
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 08:24:54 am
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A tie again, nooo
Post by: omada on January 04, 2018, 08:30:53 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 08:31:38 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 04, 2018, 08:57:05 am
I know it doesn't break the tie, but of the two money options this is my preference and it would be yet another strand in our soft takeover. It needn't even be for any profit. I want to check how responsible he is, since there seems to be some disagreement among the royal advisors.
(I admit to little evidence on the number of parties; my reaction is more to his attitude during those we've attended. When Cyl attends a royal get-together it's always a working dinner; Cidric not so much. To me it seems he likes partying a bit too much; but it could just be that he rarely has a chance to do so.)
I got the impression that the happiness on the glassware was tied to its newness, which means it may not recur. But I'm persuaded to keep it internally another year and see what the regular effects are.
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 09:03:16 am
Maybe I could be convinced to change my vote if you go advance time in WFFAP. :P
Sorry got distracted by all the banner making, speaking of which 2 more for Eldrican duchies 'v.
Post by: Arlos on January 04, 2018, 09:29:35 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 09:38:32 am
wait did I just make it a three-way tie
Sorry Haspen but I actually do want B :P
Post by: omada on January 04, 2018, 09:49:33 am
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Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 09:52:07 am
By the evening, you're on the road back to Methiant.
1134 AD, Late Winter
The weather, mild and caml in previous winter months, has recently picked up on the severity. The blizzards continue on for hours, and many a road and settlement is buried in snow. People have hard time traveling, and many peasants are helpless, hungry and alone.
A) Time to send money and supplies to those in need!
B) Alas, tis winter time in our lovely nation after all.
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 09:52:37 am
Plot twist, changing to A
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Too late, and I got too miffed up with all these tieing to bother fixing my post.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 09:55:13 am
The people are clearly too incompetent to survive on their own :(
Post by: Kashyyk on January 04, 2018, 09:55:42 am
A
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Not only it saved peoples from dying, they also praise your name for the support they've got. Well done guy!
1134 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor rather excitedly hurries into your bedroom, disturbing your daily lecture of the Great Histories, and instead filling your hands with Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 8
Population: 8
Economy: 12!
Army: 8
Oh wowza.
"My liege!" You're pretty sure you know what he will be talking about now.
"The Treasury is filled with wealth that asks to be spent! To ought avoid reputation of a scrooge, we should spend part of it in some way."
"You're repeating yourself a bit."
"I know that, but what I say still holds true, sire!"
You decide to...
A) Sponsor some glorious celeberations to appease peasants and nobles alike.
B) -
C) Refurbish, renovate and repair the royal Palace.
D) Send some gifts to one of our neighbours to strengthen relations.
E) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
F) Commission some grandiose statue to reflect your glory and majesty as King of Methiant.
G) Invest in the rather undeveloped agricultural lands of the Hurthlings.
H) Raise the funding of the Army even higher, so it becomes even grandier and larger than before.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 04, 2018, 01:46:13 pm
Edit: an option to increase funding with the army would be nice too.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 01:48:34 pm
Its been awhile since we had dealings with our brother-in-law. Lets send him some monies.
I wish we had some options to invest in teh Hurthlings tho. I'm not sure if we had and boarder forts to refurbish in their lands.
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 01:53:43 pm
EDIT: THere, added option for Hurthling development and Army funding increase.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 04, 2018, 01:54:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 01:59:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 04, 2018, 02:01:27 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 02:02:37 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 04, 2018, 02:04:45 pm
Even if he's a filthy parsia lover
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 04, 2018, 02:07:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 02:12:25 pm
Even if he's a filthy parsia lover
Did we ever hear back from Parsia on if they were going to leave the Alldiviners alone? We might have to stop loving them rather soon.
Post by: Taricus on January 04, 2018, 02:13:46 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 04, 2018, 02:19:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 02:30:18 pm
The initial wagonloads of money and supplies are already sent, and while this project will definitely take a whiel and require yearly spending, your Treasurer believes the Kingdom can easily afford it.
~~Royal Council of Spring, 1135 AD~~ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSy2eRPAPD0)
Your courtiers have decided to call for this council on their own.
You're seated amongst the most prominent figures of the Kingdom, all of them looking excited and with some certain degree of... understanding between them.
The Advisor speaks up first.
"My liege, this is a council called with intention of changing Methiant forever."
The Treasurer speaks up next.
"Sire, our bureaucratic administration has let us run the country smoothly and fill its Treasury with wealth beyond imagination."
The Marshal stands up and salutes.
"MY LIEGE! Our professional and well-funded Army is the largest and most prestigious in the region, with mighty machines of war at our disposal and our enemies shivering in dread!"
The Arch-Governor unfolds his scrolls.
"According to our censuses, our vast Kingdom is populated with great number of peoples, all whom praise the name of King Cyl and the Yoean Dynasty."
Various nobles speak up, all praising your accomplishments and those of your predecessors. As the words of praise quieten down, the elderly Advisor stands up, and all other sit, before you're adressed by him again.
"Our great King! We believe it is time for our court to do something what few have done before. It is time for our Kingdom to become an Empire! Empire of Methiant, with the Emperors of Yoean Dynasty, standing above all small and mighty men and women, at its wheel of fate, steering it to glory and prosperity forever!"
Congratulations! Kingdom of Methiant has fulfilled all of game conditions to become an Empire!
As an Empire, it will unlock a new 'Imperial Edicts' ability. Edicts can be issued yearly, and will be an easy tool to change how the government and internal affairs of the Empire work, although you will have to maintain your authority all the time.
Furthermore, the values in the Scrolls of Kingdom Status will be capped at 12 instead of 10, with the highest values representing advantage over all other non-Empire nations.
Proclaiming oneself an 'Emperor' is obviously rather arrogant thing to do, and will of course sour the relationships with your neighbours, who will jealously look in your direction - but what do you care, you're better than them anyways!
Be warned, however, that this decision is basically irreversible.
Thus there is only one question that needs answering:
Do you declare the establishment of the 'Empire of Methiant'?
A) Yes, absolutely!
B) No. Ask me again sometime in the future.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 04, 2018, 02:34:00 pm
Do it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-oNWtAKNfk)
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 02:34:25 pm
May the sun never set upon it.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 04, 2018, 02:35:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 02:35:35 pm
I'm so proud of y'all *sheds a tear*
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 02:36:21 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 02:41:16 pm
It took you three SPAMKINGDOM games and more than a year to finally, finally get into Empire creation process. I have notes on this particular concept lying around unused since December 2016, dammit. But finally we can get into this.pffft, it only took me what, two months? Clearly, I'm the reason Cyl is succeeding so well. :P
I'm so proud of y'all *sheds a tear*
(half tempted to vote B just to mess with you, but no)
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 04, 2018, 02:42:38 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 04, 2018, 02:49:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 04, 2018, 02:52:45 pm
Post by: Imic on January 04, 2018, 03:04:47 pm
Our time has come. Let the haters be smacked for their insubordination with the hater paddle.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 04, 2018, 03:19:59 pm
Besides, what's so arrogant about improving the mechanisms of centralizing one's power? It's efficient is what it is. Can't blame us for having such lovely tracts of land.
EDIT:
[...] the Emperors of Yoean Dynasty, [...]
Why can't it be the Duede (Duedean?) Dynasty, I so deeply want it to be the Duede Dynasty.
Post by: Arlos on January 04, 2018, 03:20:19 pm
My god, it finally happened...
Post by: ZBridges on January 04, 2018, 03:22:28 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 04, 2018, 03:34:09 pm
A I'll get started on the acceptance speech . . .
Quote
There are so many people to thank. Haspen, of course. The first Yoe who began the work of making Methiant great, and my father Yoe II, and I couldn't have come this far without the support of my charming wife Esta. I maybe could even thank Luath: even if he was filthy traitor on the end, at least he procured a sorceress' blessing of health for the dynasty. Wait, stop playing the music, there's more. Stop, I say, in the name of the Emperor . . .
Post by: Haspen on January 04, 2018, 04:03:35 pm
Right?
1st Mid-Spring, 1135 AD
Establishment of the Empire of Methiant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctzvUY5txM)
Your old Kingly robes are taken away from you, and you see them for the last time. A royal cloak of purpure velvet, trimmed with ermine fur, is laid upon your shoulders. You hold the Coronation Staff as your wife takes off your Kingly crown. Meanwhile, the royal artificers pass the Advisor a new crown, one with red dome over the golden and bejewelled circle that will now cover your head. You then take into your other hand The Wolf-Fang, and pose, supporting self on the sword and the staff, allowing your peoples to gawk and stare at you in awe and adoration.
You are now the Emperor; you're above Kings, you're above Judges, you're above Archpriests. Three pillars of a nation embodied in one person.
You are Emperor Cyl I of Methiant, King of Ceodwell and Felonsein, Overlord of Donuth and Tiftit Hurthlings!
You feel the urge to say...
A) I am the State!
B) We are the Emperor!
C) Long Live the Empire!
Royal artificers and heraldry meisters were working hard on a new Coat of Arms that would best represent the mighty and glorious Empire of Methiant, and two concepts got to the top, yet there is still division amongst the workers. You look over the coats, and decide to declare that the blazon of the Coat of Arms of the Methiant Empire will be...
There are also various ideas about moving the capital of the new Empire somewhere else. This will take money and time, but architects are already out-doing one another with ideas for a new palace!
A) Why move if it's cozy here? Just make our current palace at Methe glorious and that's all we need!
B) The new capital will be Luathbas, the largest of cities in all Methiant.
C) The new capital will be Tech, currently the most central-located of cities in all Methiant.
Also, to commemorate the establishment of the Empire, you should commission something equally grandiose! You decide to commission...
A) A glorious statue of yourself, cast from purest orichalcum alloy. It shall be erected at the largest marketsquare of the capital city.
B) A magnificent arc of granite, gold and inlaid jewels, standing at the entrance to the central plaza of the capital city.
C) An enormous ceremonial keep of marble, crystal glass windows and gold tiles, where all important ceremonies will take place.
You also should declare a central 'motto' of the new Methiantese Empire, something your courtiers and your successors should make a priority. And that item shall be...
A) Protection of ... Faith!
*AA) Alldivine
*AB) Pantheonist
*AC) Singularist
B) Expansion of Methiantese Borders!
C) Establishment of Lasting Peace in the Region!
D) Prosperity of Methiantese Peoples!
//This update has 5 different votes to be cast. Make sure you write them down properly, cuz (per usual) incomplete/errorenous votes will be simply ignored.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 04, 2018, 04:08:14 pm
B
B
B
D
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 04, 2018, 04:10:44 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 04, 2018, 04:11:27 pm
A
B
B
D
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 04, 2018, 04:11:54 pm
A - twice as many penises as before!
C - it's tech that got us this far after all
C - more palaces!
D - it all comes down to money, y'see
Post by: Weirdsound on January 04, 2018, 04:12:13 pm
Coat of Arms: A
Capital: A (Eventually I want to move to an impenetrable fortress up in the Mountains)
Construction: A (Easiest to move if needed, see above)
Motto: D
Post by: Prophet on January 04, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
B
B Luathbas best city.
B
B None shall stand in our way!
Post by: Taricus on January 04, 2018, 04:14:39 pm
A
B
B
D
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 04, 2018, 04:29:51 pm
A
C
B
D
Post by: ZBridges on January 04, 2018, 04:33:17 pm
A
A
C
D
Post by: Iituem on January 04, 2018, 04:36:19 pm
A
B
B
D
Post by: Kashyyk on January 04, 2018, 04:45:48 pm
C Long live the Empire!
A Quartered penises for all!
A Home will be here.
C We always need more castles.
D We rule for the people after all
Post by: Puppyguard on January 04, 2018, 04:47:34 pm
B
B
B
D
Post by: milo christiansen on January 04, 2018, 04:50:26 pm
B
B
B
B
Post by: Imic on January 04, 2018, 04:53:57 pm
A It looks cool.
A Don't fix it if it isn't broken.
B We should start a trend.
D Why not.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 04, 2018, 05:56:10 pm
Arms: A (But the other could be house or personal arms?)
Capital: A Methe got us this far.
Monument: C Impressive and useful
Priority: D Which, not coincidentally, may (ought to) be taken to include all of the above.
Post by: Arlos on January 04, 2018, 06:06:45 pm
B
B
B
D
Post by: helmacon on January 04, 2018, 06:39:11 pm
Quote
As an Empire, it will unlock a new 'Imperial Edicts' ability. Edicts can be issued yearly, and will be an easy tool to change how the government and internal affairs of the Empire work, although you will have to maintain your authority all the time.A
A (provided a slightly more moderate green)
B
C
D
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 04, 2018, 06:44:02 pm
Harry Baldman and Kashyyk honestly converted me to A. It's a fine heraldic tradition!
The capital I remain conflicted on, but I'll weakly say A for tradition. And because we have exceeded Luathbas.
Monument C does sound the most useful, although the arch is pretty cool too.
And finally, ah, D, intrinsically including C, to be achieved by way of B.
(that's C A A C D to recap)
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 04, 2018, 09:27:53 pm
A) Deer and birds!
C) A new central capital, so that we can expand in every direction.
C) With a fantastic new keep.
C) And we can establish peace, through war!
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 05, 2018, 04:33:52 am
C
C
C
D
Post by: melkor on January 05, 2018, 05:06:29 am
C
A
A
B
B
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 05:42:28 am
A
A (Save moneys :D I've no idea why a 'central' area is better than a 'slightly off the center' area)
B (Because self-imagery doesn't do well with history. Unlike SYMBOLISM!)
C
Actually the last one seems to be a lasting motto to support, much like how Presidents and others stick to their thing that got them elected or the people will be :(
A doesn't sound well at all, given how much history tells us (and that none of those 3 singular faiths have the 'push compassion and understanding' vibe), B pushes and forces something we are better off having a choice NOT to do (hold and reinforce/upgrade and improve). C sounds like a good choice alongside D, but D means 'make this always happen'. C hopefully makes us more leaning towards reforms! And stability!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 05, 2018, 10:24:44 am
- C
- b
- b
- C
- C
Post by: omada on January 05, 2018, 04:34:27 pm
B Twice the penises is nice, but it's too much information to occupy my mind when i imagine the glorious battles, it's better to have a crowned penis
A It's pretext to more problems
C It seems it can be useful too
D prosperity for you prosperity to your family prosperity to your cow
Post by: Haspen on January 05, 2018, 06:39:06 pm
Therefore we will have a second phase of voting, where you pick one of the two sets with most votes!
1. CBBBD
2. CAACD
As you can easily notice, you're basically voting for coat of arms, capital location and commemoration thing cuz the urge and motto are the same in both sets.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 05, 2018, 06:47:10 pm
1
I like arches. I think a building of culture is more long term appropriate then a building of opulence or a statue that is self aggrandizing. I also think it'd... Probably? Be better to have our administrative hub in our economic hub.
Post by: ZBridges on January 05, 2018, 06:49:09 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 05, 2018, 06:50:02 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 05, 2018, 07:02:17 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 05, 2018, 07:07:45 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 05, 2018, 07:21:11 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 05, 2018, 07:25:20 pm
Post by: omada on January 05, 2018, 07:28:19 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 05, 2018, 07:30:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2018, 07:31:40 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 05, 2018, 07:47:21 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 05, 2018, 08:06:25 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 05, 2018, 08:07:58 pm
why not just take the votes for each item separately, seems simpler
I had assumed that was what we were doing, since none of the votes depended on each other. "No split votes" can really be taken too far.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 05, 2018, 08:22:59 pm
Is exactly what I voted for the first time, don't see a need to change now. :)
Post by: Kashyyk on January 05, 2018, 08:34:51 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 05, 2018, 09:33:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 05, 2018, 11:00:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 03:58:42 am
22222222
Guuuuuuuysssss
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 04:19:04 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 04:55:44 am
Post by: melkor on January 06, 2018, 05:02:56 am
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 06:34:01 am
Late Spring, 1135 AD
Your proclamation has of course a particular effect on neighbouring countries; many of them send delegates to the Emperor. There are envoys from Cydwyl, Eldrican, Lametania, as well as the Duchy of Eval and even New Parsia. The first to receive the Imperial audience will be...
A) The Cydwyl representative!
B) The Eldrican diplomat!
C) The Evalian messenger!
D) The Parsian delegate!
E) The Lametanian envoy!
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 06:43:24 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 06, 2018, 07:21:16 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 07:49:14 am
yeah, I said it
what're you gonna do about it
Post by: Kashyyk on January 06, 2018, 08:02:46 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 08:27:44 am
Post by: birdy51 on January 06, 2018, 08:52:44 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 08:59:38 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 09:06:29 am
B
Then I suppose Parsia as the home of our heir's wife, then finally Cydwyl as our daughter's family.
As a bonus Eldrican then Parsia then Cydwyll is a rough estimation of their actual strength.
Alternatively if you're worried about peace, we could be reassuring our closest neighbors without marriage ties first, that would be Eval and Lametania.
I don't remember hearing a peep out of Eval in the game so far so that should be interesting.
Second alternatively if you're worried about war, keep in mind that Parsia is the only one to our east.
Although I've personally concluded that whatever force the prophecy had has run its course. (No room to explain, but if anything I think it meant the dwarves.)
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 09:07:12 am
"A gift from King Cidric to the noble Emperor Cyl of Methiant!" The messenger proudly announces before withdrawing a bit.
You decide to be...
A) Proper and accept the gifts, praising King Cidric's generosity.
B) Generous and return the gifts, asking instead that Cidric spend the money for his subjects' prosperity.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 09:09:49 am
Can we accept the gifts, and then immediately turn around and send him wealth of equal value?
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 09:14:39 am
You know what, if he sends it I'll take it. Proper is proper, and I don't want our first imperial act to be refusing money. It sets a bad precedent.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 09:15:19 am
A
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 09:17:12 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 09:22:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on January 06, 2018, 09:43:34 am
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 10:37:18 am
Who's next?
A) The Parsian!
B) The Eldrican!
C) The Evalian!
D) The Lametanian!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 10:38:41 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 10:39:38 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 06, 2018, 10:40:59 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 10:49:58 am
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 10:53:48 am
Post by: omada on January 06, 2018, 11:17:26 am
Then parsian (and we will complete the cycle of friends before foes) and lametania (hey business partner, how are you going?) and evalian (WHO ARE YOU? I FORGOT THAT YOU EXISTED SORRY)
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 11:45:02 am
So far as I know none of these are "foes" in the usual sense. The most threatening in this lot has been fundamentalist, expansionist Parsia.
It's awfully quiet around here. *shudders*
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 12:22:21 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl! I bring word from King Daric. While he praises your open-mindndess and pursuing of religious tolerancy, he can't help but notice that there's one prominent faith that is underepresented, if not, as he puts it, defined an enemy of Methiant. King Daric speaks of Cult of Damed. He wishes to see the Cult also gain some recognition and representation in Methiant."
"Therefore, he asks whether you would be complaint to his offer of sponsoring construction of Damed shrines in the south and west of Methiant, so that Damed cultists traveling and migrating from Eldrican and Lametania could find a place to worship their beloved Father."
A) "Never! Damed will never be worshipped here!"
B) "If he pays for the shrines out of his own pocket, I see no problem with that."
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 12:26:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 12:26:38 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 12:27:51 pm
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on January 06, 2018, 12:28:59 pm
deus vult
purge the heretics
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 12:29:32 pm
I expected this for some time, actually, as a natural outgrowth of our religious tolerance.
From what I know of Damed, I don't care for the religion itself. But on the plus side giving it room rather undercuts the Holy Damdamian Empire's publicly stated reason for aggressiveness. What I don't like is that it only reaches south and west, but I suppose it'll have to start somewhere.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 06, 2018, 12:31:22 pm
it'll be handy to get the enemies of the state to congregate together for easier burning.Uhmm... Sure? If they make even one tiny step out of place we can roast them.
B A Is pretty darn tempting, but we do have the religious tolerance policy...
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 12:51:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 12:55:59 pm
So, who's next?
A) Duchy of Eval!
B) Kingdom of Lametania!
C) New Parsia!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 12:58:13 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 06, 2018, 01:00:00 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 06, 2018, 01:00:59 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 01:01:06 pm
So, do you want to join the empire as a client state?I'm actually hoping for that with A, since they're smoll and just a Duchy. :P
Post by: Weirdsound on January 06, 2018, 01:14:21 pm
it'll be handy to get the enemies of the state to congregate together for easier burning.Uhmm... Sure? If they make even one tiny step out of place we can roast them.
I was thinking A, But this sold me.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 01:26:52 pm
Post by: omada on January 06, 2018, 01:32:05 pm
C Parsia you in
Post by: crazyabe on January 06, 2018, 01:38:37 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 06, 2018, 02:12:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 03:32:57 pm
Maybe they'll want to sponsor their temples or whatever the Eleveners use ::)
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2018, 03:44:47 pm
"Emperor Cyl, I bring news of utmost importance! My lord and master, King Shapur, is not interested in hostilities with you, but he cannot abide to let heathens stay in Parsia. If you so desire, he can instead grant the worshippers of Alldivines a safe passage into your lands."
"And what of those who wish to stay in Parsia?" The Advisor asks.
"They can always convert. Otherwise, King Shapur does not vouch for their security."
A) "This is a pretext to war! Tell King Shapur I will meet with him on the battlefield!!"
B) "That is fine, I will take any 'heathens' King Shapur does not want."
C) "That won't do! What I want is to Alldivines to have equal laws in Parsia!"
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 06, 2018, 03:47:10 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 06, 2018, 03:49:14 pm
A, for land!
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 03:49:45 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 06, 2018, 03:51:12 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 06, 2018, 03:52:01 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 06, 2018, 03:53:22 pm
Eh. What the hell. A.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 06, 2018, 03:54:39 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 06, 2018, 04:04:40 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 06, 2018, 04:09:38 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 06, 2018, 04:15:49 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 06, 2018, 04:21:17 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 06, 2018, 04:26:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2018, 04:48:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 06, 2018, 05:49:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 09:06:32 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 06, 2018, 10:52:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 07, 2018, 02:06:35 am
Post by: Haspen on January 07, 2018, 09:52:33 am
Who's next?
A) The Evalian!
B) The Lametanian!
Also, the skilled vastaghen12 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165230.0) has made a fan-art!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 07, 2018, 09:56:53 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 07, 2018, 10:29:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 07, 2018, 10:39:39 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 07, 2018, 11:00:07 am
Post by: melkor on January 07, 2018, 11:07:29 am
Post by: omada on January 07, 2018, 12:03:03 pm
Because Eval never talked with us and we had a nice dealing with Lametanians
Post by: Haspen on January 07, 2018, 12:48:02 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl!" A young man in a hooded robe bows deeply. "I bring certain profitable deal for you from my master, Duke of Eval. It is something however that must be talked about in private, however."
A) "Speak in the open or speak not at all!"
B) "Fine, I have many side chambers where we can retreat to."
Post by: Criptfeind on January 07, 2018, 12:52:32 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 07, 2018, 12:54:06 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 07, 2018, 01:01:46 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 07, 2018, 01:03:45 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 07, 2018, 01:06:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 07, 2018, 01:19:23 pm
"Emperor Cyl, it is great to meet you in person." The hooded youth says before taking off his hood. "I am Targald, son of Duke of Eval, Caun." You look at the youth with a degree of surprise.
"I have asked you to come and talk privately, because my father has some grand plans that possibly couldn't succeed without help of a man like you."
"What are those plans"?
"My father eyes jealously the throne of Lametania, and has a rightfu claim for it. But he lacks arms and men to conquer our ancestral home, in fear that the Dukes under yoke of Damdamians would try to swoop in and seize power in both of our lands, and obviously we're unwilling to try and attack these two first, lest the Damdamians turn their eyes towards us. And so the impasse has lasted for many years, before my father decided to instead look northwards for support."
"He wants us to help him recover Lametanian throne, then."
"If you're willing to help him reunite two parts of Lametania under his rule, he would be your most loyal ally, and so I will, when the throne passes to me."
You decide to...
A) Agree to a joint invasion of Lametania.
B) Counteroffer with supplies and Thundercats on lease.
C) Reject the silly offer.
D) Call the guards and capture heir of Eval for a ransom!
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 07, 2018, 01:22:22 pm
On the other hand if we accept it'll make talking to the Lametanians right after this incredibly awkward. Even the counteroffer isn't great because anybody who's got Thundercats is clearly working for us anyway...
Post by: Puppyguard on January 07, 2018, 01:27:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 07, 2018, 01:41:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 07, 2018, 01:50:14 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 07, 2018, 01:57:54 pm
Post by: omada on January 07, 2018, 02:18:52 pm
Or
E) I don't wan't to weaken the two lands between me and Damdamian, or you sign as our vassal after the deal or nothing
No, really, they want to weaken our meatshield and be a "loyal ally" later ????? he will endlessly ask us for supplies and troops to hold Damdamian invasion
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 07, 2018, 03:13:01 pm
Yeah keeping the buffer seems better.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 07, 2018, 03:13:59 pm
Can we LIE voting A? (and then See what lametania wants)
Or
E) I don't wan't to weaken the two lands between me and Damdamian, or you sign as our vassal after the deal or nothing
No, really, they want to weaken our meatshield and be a "loyal ally" later ????? he will endlessly ask us for supplies and troops to hold Damdamian invasion
or F) Politely defer "until consulting with our marshals," hearing the Lametanian envoy in the meantime.
But supposing that's not going to be added, C
We are not unsympathetic, but we do not believe a war that risks the stability of the Damdamia-Lametania border region would be to the interest of our imperial nations.
(If the Lametanian envoy comes forward with the reciprocal plan to conquer Eval, I may regret not holding the prince for ransom. But they are not east, so we have no special reason to detain him yet.)
Post by: Culise on January 07, 2018, 03:24:26 pm
or F) Politely defer "until consulting with our marshals," hearing the Lametanian envoy in the meantime.Agreed. This is the kind of circumstance where we do really need to hear both envoys first.
Post by: Prophet on January 07, 2018, 03:30:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 07, 2018, 03:37:21 pm
"What if we offer you tribute for five years?" The kid doesn't relent yet!
A) "I already said no."
B) "Make it ten years!"
C) "Fine, then."
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 07, 2018, 03:40:07 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 07, 2018, 03:47:49 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 07, 2018, 03:58:00 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 07, 2018, 04:01:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 07, 2018, 04:04:45 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 07, 2018, 04:12:50 pm
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Post by: milo christiansen on January 07, 2018, 04:30:08 pm
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Post by: helmacon on January 07, 2018, 04:45:15 pm
That's tribute that we would be sending right back to our "ally" to help them hold the lines. It's not a matter of profits, it's a matter of stability.
Post by: Taricus on January 07, 2018, 05:02:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 07, 2018, 05:04:18 pm
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Emergency broadcast from Kingdom of Unicornia! The fate of the world lies in the hands of a teen princess, but she cannot manage it on her own! Hurry!! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169034.0)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 07, 2018, 05:23:33 pm
C. As much I want want sum war, I'm pretty sure the rulers of Lametania are the last remaining descendents of our Spamkingdom+ Bloodline. I wouldn't feel right to unseat them without provocation.
C is voting for war btw Weirdsound, A is no war.
Oops. A.
Post by: Arlos on January 07, 2018, 06:09:03 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 06:39:28 pm
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Post by: Haspen on January 08, 2018, 02:46:01 pm
"But you have to! It's the only way-!" The youth then does the unthinkable - rushes you with his hands and face full of anger!
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In the ensuing scuffle, your heart skips a beat when you hear - and feel - that the Duke's son manages to unsheathe Wolf-Fang!
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But luckily, the Wolf-Fang's weight is a surprise for the youth. You manage to un-steal the sword and, in self-defense (or mayhaps rush of adrenaline), impale the youth on the enchanted blade. Gurgling like some animal, Targald collapses to the floor in a fetal position and breathes his last as the pool of blood forms underneath him - just in time for the guards to rush in, alarmed by sounds of scuffle.
Soon, the Advisor and few important and most trusted men know what happened. Soon you will have to deal with consequences and mayhaps, dish out some consequences too, in light of this terrible event. But first, you decide to...
A) Keep this in secret from general public, for now, and call in Lametanian envoy.
B) Cut short any audiences because you're going TO WAR!!
Post by: Arlos on January 08, 2018, 02:46:45 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 08, 2018, 02:48:11 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 08, 2018, 02:51:39 pm
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Post by: Haspen on January 08, 2018, 03:00:43 pm
The envoy from Lametania is last to speak to you.
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl! My master, King Dangarm, cannot in his wise mind turn blind eye to both the threat of southerners as well as the continous splendour of Methiant. Therefore, he asks to become allies, so that together the two nations, Methiant and Lametania, can ensure lasting peace in the region. To further cement the alliance, he is offering the hand of his second child and only daughter, Cespina, to whichever of your sons you want."
A) "Wonderful idea, something I was going to offer myself. Consider the deal accepted!"
B) "Allies? Ha! Tell your master this - I shall only welcome him as a vassal, if its protection that he wants!"
C) "Ha! His wish is not my wish. Begone, I have no interest in alliance with Lametania!"
Furthermore, you decide to...
A) Tell the envoy - and the court - that you're soon going to invade Eval due to Targald's treachery. Because you're going to, right?
B) Say nothing of Targald and the terrible fate that befell him.
Post by: crazyabe on January 08, 2018, 03:01:55 pm
A
Post by: Criptfeind on January 08, 2018, 03:03:07 pm
A
Post by: mightymushroom on January 08, 2018, 03:40:10 pm
"Lucky" Ustwelf finally gets his royal match (unless Cespina is way out of age range).
Post by: helmacon on January 08, 2018, 03:46:35 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 08, 2018, 03:49:05 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 08, 2018, 04:21:19 pm
Prophecy says west is a no-go. We gotta wait until this guy dies. How old is he anyways?
Post by: Haspen on January 08, 2018, 04:22:24 pm
How old is he anyways?
Cyl? He was born in 1099, so he is 'barely' 36 at the moment.
Post by: Prophet on January 08, 2018, 04:24:11 pm
A I mean the son of the duke did just attempt to assassinate us. So this act of aggression and slight against our honor can't not be met with a response right? We can not let this injury against our imperial might and splendor be ignored. Plus I mean it's been a long time since the Prophecy said don't go west so I'm willing to at least give it a try.
Post by: Culise on January 08, 2018, 04:27:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 08, 2018, 04:42:06 pm
The Lametanian envoy is quick to chime in.
"My liege, on behalf of my master, may I negotiate for Evalian soil to be returned to its ancestral owners? King Dangarm would heap praise and gifts upon you and your house if the Duchy of Eval would become integral part of Lametania again."
A) "Gifts and praise, sure thing! The Duchy will go into hands of Lametanians when I'm done with it!"
B) "He will only receive the Duchy from my cold, dead hands. That land is mine to take!!"
C) "He can have it if he bends the knee to me first!"
D) "Sure, but only if he fields men and arms to help me take it. I won't be giving hard-won territories to him for free after all!"
Post by: Criptfeind on January 08, 2018, 04:44:50 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 08, 2018, 04:47:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 08, 2018, 04:48:36 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 08, 2018, 04:49:31 pm
Lets go!
Post by: helmacon on January 08, 2018, 04:49:53 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 08, 2018, 05:12:30 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 08, 2018, 05:17:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 08, 2018, 05:37:38 pm
I mean, sure, we'll need a new administrator when it's done, but we are the Conqueror.
We could get two new territories for the price of one.
Post by: omada on January 08, 2018, 05:47:16 pm
Gifts don't say anything
praise is only words
Spoiler: Royal Map of Neighbouring Lands and Kingdoms (click to show/hide)
If we catch it we will have to deal with Damdamian possible invasion anyway without meatbags on the way,
If they offer troops for the land I don't see profit
C is the only that gives us something
Post by: Weirdsound on January 08, 2018, 06:25:37 pm
That said, I don't feel rushed to make them take a knee. Eventually we will have to send troops to defend them, and we can demand their feality once our men already garrison their forts. The could not easily say no at that point.
Post by: Iituem on January 08, 2018, 10:08:54 pm
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Post by: Arlos on January 09, 2018, 10:33:14 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 10:35:13 am
Post by: Haspen on January 09, 2018, 10:45:58 am
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The envoy looks appalled, indeed, disgusted by your demand.
"I will rely your generous offer to King Dangarm, of course." He bows politely and leaves.
By the afternoon, it is time to issue your first Imperial Edict!
Imperial Authority determines how well your people will react to your Edicts and whether there will be any opposition to it. It can go from -2 to +2. To raise your Authority, you need to keep high ratings of Kingdom stats; conversely, having them low at end of a year might lower your Authority. Same goes for wars; victorious wars will increase your Authority, losing them will lower it, and [insert your preferred religious entity here] forbid if you lose territories!
Your Imperial Authority at the moment: +2
Here is the list of all possible Edicts at the moment:
MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Establish the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Establish The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent. (Impossible, no Edicts have been issued yet.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 10:49:05 am
Post by: Imic on January 09, 2018, 11:01:03 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 09, 2018, 11:09:16 am
Post by: crazyabe on January 09, 2018, 11:16:27 am
Establish Fireblood Court+1
Post by: Arlos on January 09, 2018, 11:22:24 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 11:33:02 am
Proclaim Religious EqualityThis seems like something of a waste when we're already doing that. We should proclaim it officially at some point, but for now I think something we can expect to see dividends from is a better plan.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 09, 2018, 11:35:06 am
+1Establish Fireblood Court+1
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 09, 2018, 11:50:22 am
+1+1Establish Fireblood Court+1
Post by: mightymushroom on January 09, 2018, 12:17:02 pm
This seems like something of a waste when we're already doing that. We should proclaim it officially at some point, but for now I think something we can expect to see dividends from is a better plan.I expect religious equality to substantially decrease the number of complaints and conflicts between churches, since they know it would be an uphill battle to sway us. This limits the amount of unrest and happiness loss we risk in those events, and potentially increases general prosperity accordingly. That's the dividend.
I see four edicts I would be interested in proclaiming:
Fireblood, Statesmen, Primogeniture, or Religion
Reforming the primogeniture rules is something in which we've had interest previously, but cannot be a priority with several male heirs and our only daughter married away. The other three I'm kind of guessing as to which offers the greatest returns. We already have the best Fireblood weapons of any people we know and a funded research program. I don't dispute the likelihood of some benefit to the Fireblood Court, but my estimate is that it's a matter of margins and won't contribute to the immediate war with Eval. Whereas religious liberty has been part of Cyl's fundamental principles (and to some degree his ancestors before him).
BTW Haspen, I'm assuming it is also possible to pass on the opportunity if we like how the government is set up, although this is not explicitly stated?
Post by: Haspen on January 09, 2018, 01:05:59 pm
Heck, with enough tinkering you can turn the administrative hierarchy prevalent in the region since ancient times right into proper european feudalism.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 09, 2018, 01:08:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 09, 2018, 01:09:35 pm
+1+1Establish Fireblood Court+1
Post by: Haspen on January 09, 2018, 01:10:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 09, 2018, 01:11:40 pm
Quote pyramids are capital offense and will result in voiding of votes V:<
Do you see what heresy is wrought when you abandon the sacred Letters of Easy Choosing?
Post by: Haspen on January 09, 2018, 01:13:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 09, 2018, 01:17:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 09, 2018, 01:22:17 pm
Fine, Happy?
Post by: Haspen on January 09, 2018, 01:25:01 pm
This time v;
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 09, 2018, 01:36:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 09, 2018, 01:39:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 01:40:33 pm
You guys and your obsession with fireblood... There are other things in life you know.I do want to do the festival calendar but I also want to do the passage tax first to pay for it. :P
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 09, 2018, 01:45:43 pm
You guys and your obsession with fireblood... There are other things in life you know.
Listen, if you've got better ideas on how to become the Fire Nation in the same span of time I'm all ears.
Post by: Baffler on January 09, 2018, 01:49:20 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 09, 2018, 02:02:18 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 09, 2018, 02:03:52 pm
Establish Fireblood Court!
Post by: Puppyguard on January 09, 2018, 02:08:02 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 09, 2018, 03:23:08 pm
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen
Post by: Prophet on January 09, 2018, 03:51:56 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 09, 2018, 05:48:13 pm
Post by: melkor on January 10, 2018, 10:41:30 am
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 10:56:10 am
As your Authority is strongest as it is, there will be no delays nor anything bad occuring due to your decision.
Next you have to discuss the attempted assassination by son of Duke of Eval, Targald. You decide to...
A) Demand a huge compensation in return for your forgiveness.
B) Invade the Duchy of Eval to punish the land, the peoples, and their foolish leaders.
C) Send a letter, asking Duke of Eval for a formal apology.
Three remaining Coats of Arms, for the far-western State of Prawlant, Duchy of Tavlak and Republic of Calvendocia!
Spoiler: 3 Final Coats (click to show/hide)
Post by: Criptfeind on January 10, 2018, 11:00:08 am
I feel like I'd be willing to go to war to fold both of them into the empire, but if Dangarm wouldn't be up for it, demanding a huge compensation might be good enough.
Post by: crazyabe on January 10, 2018, 11:13:55 am
Post by: birdy51 on January 10, 2018, 11:22:18 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 10, 2018, 11:34:58 am
This is probably going to draw in the Damdamians so we gotta strike hard.
Post by: omada on January 10, 2018, 12:06:57 pm
make him pay his son death
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 12:13:01 pm
The Marshal stands up.
"As the Emperor, you will lead us to glory and victory, isn't that right?"
A) "VERILYYYYYY!"
B) "Apologies, I have stuff to do at the capital!"
Post by: mightymushroom on January 10, 2018, 12:13:42 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 10, 2018, 12:16:50 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 10, 2018, 12:17:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 10, 2018, 12:20:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 10, 2018, 12:30:19 pm
Post by: omada on January 10, 2018, 12:34:29 pm
Post by: melkor on January 10, 2018, 01:01:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 01:02:48 pm
Congratulations! Emperor Cyl I embarks on yet another military campaign!
Summer, 1135 AD
Your Army deploys and advances into Eval, destroying few road patrols in three days' time.
But finally it seems that your Army will be engaging in a field battle. About thousand strong of militia and light horsemen are approaching from southeast. Your officers chuckle; your Army numbers more than ten thousand at the moment, with heavy cavalry and Thundercats.
A) They're plotting something. We should avoid engagement.
B) Just move toward the capital, such a small force won't dare attack us.
C) After them! We shall crush them into fine paste!
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 10, 2018, 01:04:45 pm
Maybe they want to surrender.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 10, 2018, 01:19:44 pm
Expect the unexpected. We wouldn't want to be caught "blind until your violent death."
Post by: Kashyyk on January 10, 2018, 01:24:01 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 10, 2018, 01:26:41 pm
All accounts show that we have the upper hand. Attacking such a petty force would be silly when there is a much larger prize to be won. We ought to strike fast before they have time to raise alarm amongst the neighboring nations.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 10, 2018, 01:30:56 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 10, 2018, 01:31:17 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 10, 2018, 01:44:53 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 10, 2018, 01:52:55 pm
Clearly a trap
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 10, 2018, 02:04:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 02:24:47 pm
Six days later, after few more skirmishes with no band larger than hundred men, and just as an easternly scout is about to deliver very important report, your guards step into the tent.
"Sire, a messenger from the Capital is here, saying its urgent." You decide to...
A) Hear the scout's report first.
B) Check the news from home first.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 10, 2018, 02:25:02 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 10, 2018, 02:26:42 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 10, 2018, 02:29:29 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 10, 2018, 02:36:17 pm
Told you it was a trap.
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 03:00:21 pm
Visibly distressed and nervous, he falls to your knees and hands you a letter.
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Your stomach shrivels and twists, and your heart stops in its tracks. Your breath falters and your spine wobbles with chills.
The Empress, your dearest wife, Esta, has been killed!
You mumble that to your officers, but you don't listen what they have to say on the matter.
According to this letter from the Spymaster and the Advisor, four nights after you left with the Army, Empress Esta, after putting Saenn to bed, retreated to her bedroom. Shortly afterwards, the guards heard some struggle and entered her bedchambers, just to see someone pulling the Empress, now screaming, by her hair, through the window. She fell down and broke her body on the rooftops, dying instantly.
You sit down on a stool brought to you by one of the officers.
Like some sorceror of foul magics, the assassin managed to escape. The Spymaster promises to scour the entire capital in search for the foul bastard or those who employed him, while the Advisor asks about funeral proceedings for the tragically departed Empress.
After you gulp down some wine, you decide to...
A) Keep the body in good condition, so that you can attend a grandiose funeral personally after dealing with the Duchy of Eval.
B) Have the court lead proceedings of a grandiose funeral while you're away.
C) Ask them to start funeral preparations, but to wait for you, because you will be back at the capital in few days.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 10, 2018, 03:02:56 pm
A
And let's then hear the other messenger.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 10, 2018, 03:05:04 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 10, 2018, 03:12:00 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 10, 2018, 03:20:55 pm
Ok, I don't who is trying to murder our family, but once we find out I propose we put a good chunk of the economy toward extinguishing their line through assassination.
Post by: Twinwolf on January 10, 2018, 03:22:53 pm
Assuming it's the same person as previous attempts on our lives, I tend to agree. They will regret this. Very, very much.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 10, 2018, 03:24:09 pm
The Emperor cannot show weakness.
Post by: Culise on January 10, 2018, 03:40:02 pm
Post by: omada on January 10, 2018, 03:47:28 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 03:48:53 pm
As the messenger is given some rest and a fresh one is sent with a reply to the capital, the scout enters.
"Sire, there is another unit of Evalians marching toward us. I was the only one to stumble upon it, and I haven't been able to get a good look on it, but I say its no more than two thousand men strong."
A) "We shall ignore it also. The faster we get to and deal with Duke of Eval, the better."
B) "That is some numbers we cannot ignore. We will march against them."
C) "Let's retreat some days towards the border, just in case!"
Post by: crazyabe on January 10, 2018, 03:49:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 10, 2018, 03:50:27 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 10, 2018, 03:50:55 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on January 10, 2018, 04:11:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 04:14:56 pm
Two mornings from the terrible evening, the forces of Methiant and Eval meet!
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Your drive to win the war, coupled with artillery support and sheer number superiority lets you smash the Evalians apart. They're encircled, bombarded, charged and ran into the ground in truly glorious display of military tactics. Few survive and escape, while the total of dead and wounded on your side does not exceed three score (unless the officers are trying to cheer you up with false numbers, that's it). Your soldiers and officers proclaim you a 'Master Tactician', but you already have a title that suits you well.
With such tiny amount of losses and such a glorious victory, the Army carries itself toward the capital.
In five more days, the local fortress of Ouva is spotted on the horizon. Located upon a steep hill and with tall towers, it is truly an inpregnable fortress.
A) Besiege it and move on, I've got more than enough troops to do that several times!
B) Bombard its fabled walls to dust, and then storm the insides for supplies and glory!
Post by: ZBridges on January 10, 2018, 04:16:01 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 10, 2018, 04:30:27 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 10, 2018, 04:30:57 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 10, 2018, 04:34:04 pm
I really don't want to leave more troop behind us.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 10, 2018, 04:36:35 pm
It'll be our fortress soon enough.
Exactly. If we take it intact with the whole country it will serve us well later.
A
Post by: mightymushroom on January 10, 2018, 04:37:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 10, 2018, 04:52:12 pm
The late evening next day, your scouts bring you news; there are two cavalry units coming from east and south. The southern force is about twice larger than the eastern, and together they number about 4500, 5000 tops. There is little footmen amongst them, although at the back of the southern force, your scouts noticed some Fireblood machinery, although of non-Methiantese design.
A) We have such a superiority we can plop down, let them come, then CRUSH THEM!!
B) Let's deal with the southern force with haste, and the smaller one will run away.
C) Let's crush the small eastern force, then swing southwards to destroy the other.
D) How about we return to the besieged fort and make our camp there?
Post by: ZBridges on January 10, 2018, 04:53:33 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 10, 2018, 04:57:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 10, 2018, 05:01:45 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 10, 2018, 05:06:17 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 10, 2018, 05:10:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 10, 2018, 06:02:37 pm
We want to ensure we have the numbers advantage as high as possible when we face that half.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 10, 2018, 06:26:30 pm
Post by: omada on January 10, 2018, 07:35:02 pm
And we didn't got even a bonus for superior gear
So, I would vote C because of superior numbers as helmacon said
The southerner has fireblood so there is two options
1)their design is old, so they will have to walk twice as slow and will take a lot of time to fire
2) is the same efficience, and we got a though time
3) Somehow they have better fireblood machines, we are screwed anyway
but I think that we should take the chance when we can to attack them before they deploy their fireblood machines
Post by: Weirdsound on January 10, 2018, 08:29:01 pm
Even if their fireblood machines are equal to or better than our own, their force is still comprised primarily of horsemen. Horses don't like loud booms.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 04:12:37 am
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 11:16:06 am
Part of their cavalry begins with a rush before your Thundercats even start to load, stealing the initiative from your hands!
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Grazing the left flank of your Army, the stampede of horses moves past your soldiers, and engages your cavalry, dangerously near the Fireblood batteries of yours. They hack and slash any that dares step before their wave of steel!
You order a countercharge against the remainder, while your footmen (of which there is a multitude), try to encircle and defeat the enemy horsemen.
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The countercharge and the encirclement work very well, the latter almost perfectly; the enemy cavalry at their hillside does pose some problems and some of your horsemen are blasted apart by cannon fire that looks and sounds disturbingly alike Thundercats' volleys. The bulk of Evalian cavalry however gets stuck amongst your ranks, and a furious melee ensues.
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Enemy numbers get lower and lower all the time, despite the fact that the cavalry manages to escape from encirclement and rides forth easternly, their numbers low. The hillside battle is quickly resolved; the Thundercats of Evalians are abandoned and what remains of their reserve horsemen flees over the hill.
Shortly after the battle, the bodycount is reported to you; about two thousand Evalians litter the ground, alongside about one thousand hundred of Methiantese soldiers (majorly the footmen who engaged the flanking cavalry of theirs). The Evalian Thundercats have been captured in few numbers, and your engineers will try to determine their make and origin.
Your officers convene with you about the next step.
A) We continue marching towards the capital.
B) We swing easternly to deal with the other Evalian troop.
C) We plop down to rest and recuperate for a day or so.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 11, 2018, 11:24:30 am
Lets try to catch their general in an army we have really really high numerical superiority against before he gets back to their (presumably defended) capital.
Post by: crazyabe on January 11, 2018, 11:26:15 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 11:29:22 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 11, 2018, 11:33:39 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 11:42:22 am
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 11:48:08 am
That happens the next morning; your scouts report that the cavalry that fled the battle yeasterday indeed joined forces with the easternly group, now numbering about 2400. This time, you order the charge of your own cavalry amidst bombardment via Thundercats to avoid having to repulse crazy cavalry charges.
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It's obvious that the enemy commander from before is amongst this group, as even the crushing attack is being countered as best as possible. But even with superior leadership, the enemy has too few men to repel the attack. Their ranks wave and break as their soldiers panic and run for their lifes.
Another two thousand of Evalians departed to the afterlife, escorted by about four hundred of your own soldiers, the officers say.
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What's possibly the most irritating news of the battle's outcome is that the enemy commander has escaped again. Though his identity is no longer a secret; few officers were caught and they all admitted that their leader is San, the second of Duke's sons and apparently a skilled tactician and fighter since young age.
It seems he fled further east along with whoever survived this particular battle! Another strategic council is held.
As for San of Eval...
A) Ignore him.
B) My horsemen shall hunt him down!
As for the next strategic move...
A) To the Evalian capital!
B) Sit down and rest!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 11, 2018, 11:49:24 am
A
Post by: crazyabe on January 11, 2018, 11:49:59 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 11:53:41 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 11, 2018, 12:03:09 pm
So long as our Cavalry are told to capture him rather than kill him. Using him as ransom to take the capital without a fight would be ideal.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 12:11:59 pm
Shouldn't leave a martial dude just knocking about, maybe we'll get lucky. We've killed about 4k of them at this point so the numbers aren't particularly against us, prolly can spare the horsemen.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 11, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 11, 2018, 12:23:00 pm
BA, cavalry would be less effective in siege anyway, and I don't want that guy showing up to surprise us later.
BA
So long as our Cavalry are told to capture him rather than kill him. Using him as ransom to take the capital without a fight would be ideal.
BA
Shouldn't leave a martial dude just knocking about, maybe we'll get lucky. We've killed about 4k of them at this point so the numbers aren't particularly against us, prolly can spare the horsemen.
Y'all make good points, but I'd rather keep our horsemen around in case another enemy host crops up between us and the capital. AA
Post by: Draignean on January 11, 2018, 12:32:11 pm
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 11, 2018, 12:59:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 01:21:50 pm
ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
You order most the cavalry to pursuit the fleeing San and the remnants of broken Evalian forces, while you lead the rest of the army.
Four days later, your scouts report that another group of several hundred militia, with a few dozen horsemen at best, has been spotted a day away westwards from your current position.
A) My thirst for blood must be quenched!
B) Ignore them and continue toward the capital.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 01:23:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 11, 2018, 01:25:56 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 01:27:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 11, 2018, 01:31:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 01:37:47 pm
Might be our guy.
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 01:41:07 pm
On the third night, just as your Army is about day's march from the capital of Duchy of Eval, your forces camp for the night. You decide to walk between the troops and chat with the soldiers, who seem enthusiastic about upcoming battle.
Suddenly, as you pass between some tents, you hear a 'caw!' above you and turn your head to the sky. In the same moment, you see a small black bird, a raven probably, passing under the silvery disc of the shining moon.
That's definitely...
A) A feathered emblem of war, a divine sign of assured victory in assault on the capital!
B) A reminder of the prophecy? Should I return east, to my beloved home and family?
C) A messenger bird; surely the sign that I should negotiate with Duke of Eval now.
D) A bad omen... wait, where's my cavalry that went after San and his soldiers??
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 01:41:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 11, 2018, 01:42:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 01:51:43 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 11, 2018, 01:53:37 pm
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 02:05:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 02:10:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 02:15:27 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 11, 2018, 02:59:00 pm
D.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 03:02:09 pm
One for sorrow. That's a bad omen.That's magpies. >:(
Post by: ZBridges on January 11, 2018, 03:06:36 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 11, 2018, 03:24:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 03:32:12 pm
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The next morning, you send a messenger to the Evalian capital, asking the Duke to come negotiate with you the peace terms. And then you wait.
Two days later, the messenger returns.
"Caun, Duke of Eval, is willing to negotiate. He proposes to meet near the small hamlet of Oweryssad, few hours from here, between us and the capital. He won't come alone, so if you agree to negotiate, he will be bringing hundred fifty of his soldiers for protection."
A) "To try and assassinate me? Ha! Let's resume the advance instead."
B) "And I shall bring my whole army behind my back!"
C) "And I will take few bodyguards to show I'm not afraid of him."
D) "That's fine, and I shall take one hundred fifty as well."
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 11, 2018, 03:33:46 pm
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Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 03:35:33 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 03:35:41 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 03:37:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 03:46:00 pm
The next morning, just as you're about to leave with your entourage, one of your pages arrives.
"Sire, there's a messenger from the capital. He is tired but asks to be allowed to speak with you at once."
A) "Then let him rest, I will talk to him after I'm done with the Duke."
B) "Fine, give him some water and I will meet with him."
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 03:46:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 11, 2018, 03:47:26 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 03:53:57 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 11, 2018, 03:56:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 11, 2018, 03:57:17 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 11, 2018, 04:01:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 04:12:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 04:15:22 pm
"Sire! I bring a letter from the council." You open the seal and start reading.
The Kingdom of Cydwyl is under attack! The Agaresians have mounted a large offensive against the eastern settlements, which are poorly protected. King Cidric, on the provisions of the treaty, has sent a call to arms to Methiant, asking for troops and supplies. Because you're in Eval and majority of Methiantese Army is with you, the council members decided to alert you first before any decision is taken.
You decide to...
A) Postpone this until you negotiate with Caun of Eval.
B) Ask them to call an emergency mobilization to provide soldiers for Cidric, with supplies as well.
C) Tell them to send Cidric some supplies.
Post by: ZBridges on January 11, 2018, 04:16:47 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 11, 2018, 04:17:04 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 11, 2018, 04:17:38 pm
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 04:17:47 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 04:23:14 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 11, 2018, 04:25:15 pm
Are we on the right side of the prophecy
Post by: Haspen on January 11, 2018, 04:49:03 pm
At the meeting site, you two dismount from the horses and retreat under the shadow of a nearby oak tree, three bodyguards behind you, three behind the Duke.
"I know what my son has done." The Duke begins, "But that does not gives you the right to walk into my domain and start killing my subjects and soldiers left and right! But fine, I agree that my son's act was worthy a reprisal." Somewhat begrudingly, Caun also agrees that he should pay for his son's treachery.
You decide to ask for...
A) The Duchy to be incorporated into glorious Methiant Empire!
B) A small monetary compensation, just for Targald's vile act alone.
C) The Duke to accept you as his senior and overlord!
D) Yearly tribute for some period of time, to punish the Duke harshly yet fairly.
Post by: ZBridges on January 11, 2018, 04:51:30 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 11, 2018, 04:53:25 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 11, 2018, 04:54:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 11, 2018, 04:59:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 11, 2018, 05:17:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 11, 2018, 05:27:08 pm
C
Post by: mightymushroom on January 11, 2018, 05:46:58 pm
Because this guy isn't conciliatory at all and NPC's have a habit of resisting even what we could "clearly force." I doubt he'll bend; he and his martial son will just organize a resistance even if he swears.
Also because:
Are we on the right side of the prophecyNo, the prophecy told us to look east and our campaign has consistently marched west.
Speaking of which, we still haven't learned what happened to the cavalry we sent (eastwards) after their war leader.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 11, 2018, 08:51:27 pm
Also, there is a good chance that they were the ones who assassinated our wife.
I somehow doubt that. Among the many strategies one might employ to deal with a superior invading army, killing the leader's wife at home does not strike me as rather intelligent.
C
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 11, 2018, 11:29:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 12, 2018, 12:46:07 am
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The Duke laughs and stands up.
"If that is your goal, oh Emperor, you need to first defeat my armies, capture my capital, and force me." He then turns to his bodyguards and leaves with haste, and so do you.
Upon returning to your camp, the messenger anxiously awaits your answer.
A) Take half of my troops back to Methiant and then, to Cidric of Cydwyl.
B) Ask the council to call an emergency mobilization to provide soldiers for Cidric, with supplies as well.
C) Tell the council to send Cidric some supplies.
D) Tell him to pack up as you are abandoning the war in Eval to deal with more important issues.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 12, 2018, 12:47:37 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 12, 2018, 12:56:34 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 12, 2018, 01:03:19 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 12, 2018, 02:11:27 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 12, 2018, 02:45:55 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 12, 2018, 05:37:49 am
Post by: omada on January 12, 2018, 05:50:01 am
The Agaresian comes
Can we let our army in the west to marsh under the order of our marshalls and we go to methiant personally deal with the agaresians?
I want to vote D but I don't want us to lose authority
Post by: Criptfeind on January 12, 2018, 08:35:50 am
When we come back to Eval, we're going to burn it to the ground. The whole thing.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 12, 2018, 08:55:02 am
Post by: Haspen on January 12, 2018, 12:58:36 pm
Your Army arrives at the Evalian capital by the next evening, and your scouts bring disturbing news.
"Sire, they're hoisting and loading the Thundercats upon the walls and towers."
"How many Fireblood machines do they have?" The Marshal mumbles partially to himself, but the scouts do have an answer:
"We've spotted at least forty already up there." The war council convenes and your decide to...
A) Besiege the city at range, just to be safe and secure.
B) Bombard it away, even if it means creeping a bit closer.
C) Plan and deploy an attack to breach the walls and take the city by force.
D) Abandon the siege and the war altogether.
E) Attempt another round of negotiations with Caun, Duke of Eval.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 12, 2018, 01:03:46 pm
Post by: Imic on January 12, 2018, 01:20:45 pm
We're dead.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 12, 2018, 01:31:51 pm
A will be slow. We need to head north.
B will be very dangerous because they'll have the height advantage while firing. While I admire Weirdsound's thinking, I doubt that's how our GM will interpret the move.
C, though bloody, could work since we've killed much of their army and they seem to be relying on walltop Thundercats to repel us.
But just when I thought the prophecy was long gone that raven in the moonlight really spooked me. And we still haven't heard what happened to the martial son. I'm scared to be caught engaged against a wall when he suddenly shows up on our rear.
D after all. Cydwyl is too important an ally to dally in this second-rate duchy.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 12, 2018, 01:55:30 pm
If we bombard by night, keeping the bulk of our army back, we should have an advantage; They will be trying to hit relatively small thundercats in the dark. We will be trying to hit a big ass wall.
^^ That. Lots of that.
B
Post by: Kashyyk on January 12, 2018, 02:21:22 pm
Shooting a big wall with solid shot is easier then shooting a bunch of cannons, even in daylight.
Post by: ZBridges on January 12, 2018, 03:50:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 12, 2018, 05:03:43 pm
Also, how did they get our thunder-cats? That's our own personal invention. how did they get 40 of them? Damn thieves, the lot of them. Grind them to dust. take their mines of firebloood supplies.
Post by: omada on January 12, 2018, 09:12:44 pm
If we bombard by night, keeping the bulk of our army back, we should have an advantage; They will be trying to hit relatively small thundercats in the dark. We will be trying to hit a big ass wall.
THIS PLEASE /\ B
Also, how did they get our thunder-cats? That's our own personal invention. how did they get 40 of them? Damn thieves, the lot of them. Grind them to dust. take their mines of firebloood supplies.
It's an western invention, we just learned how to make it
Our only invention is the fire-blood grenade stuff that we haven't made yet and the useless fireweapon
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 12, 2018, 09:14:08 pm
Post by: Imic on January 13, 2018, 02:28:21 am
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 11:25:57 am
CONGRATURATIONS
NOW TRY PAGE 500
You order bombardment of the city, from as far as possible.
It takes a while and the moon climbs high before your Thundercats open fire. After the initial cvolley, the city defenders respond, and then the thunderous exchanges continue.
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Although several of your own Thundercats are taken out and a small fire pulverizes one of ammuniton stockpiles, the bombardment continues into the morning.
During the early sunrise, smoke is visible from within the city walls. However, the walls themselves don't look like they suffered more than some chipping off the stone. Few more of your Thundercats had the unfortunate distinction of being flattened by enemy projectiles.
A scout however breaks off your concentration an hour later, just as smoke began to rise from within the Evalian capital.
"Sire, I came as fast as possible! The Evalian militia, horsemen and San's retinue befell the two thousand besieging the northern fortress! The battle has been lost, and while the Evalians took some losses, they are moving towards the capital, in numbers exceeding two thousand"
"And what of the horsemen sent after San?"
"They must've failed or got themselves lost, because San's troops were said to be in prime condition during the attack."
You decide to...
A) Disengage from the siege and march northwards to crush San once and for all.
B) Continue bombardment of the capital, wait in the meanwhile.
C) Pause the artillery bombardment and offer Duke of Eval negotiations once more.
D) Continue bomardment of the capital, send part of forces to confront San, and wait for results here.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 13, 2018, 11:28:51 am
B. More gun!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 13, 2018, 11:42:03 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 11:45:28 am
Can there please be an "E: send a formal letter of apology to the Duke explaining that you went insane from grief but have now recovered your senses and fuck off back home as quickly and quietly as possible" :(
We are a massive empire and they are a tiny duchy. History is written by the mighty. We are only wrong if they win, or we admit we are wrong.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 13, 2018, 12:05:58 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 12:41:32 pm
I have the feeling that we're going to get fucked in any way we possibly can for going west, probably time to pull out (a few options ago tbh)
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 13, 2018, 12:43:32 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2018, 01:01:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 01:16:26 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2018, 01:19:06 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 01:22:26 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 13, 2018, 01:22:42 pm
Bombardment isn't working – we're at the very edge of our range and only chipping the wall from trying to avoid their counter fire.
We don't have anything new to negotiate.
So let's see if we can capture this other son (or at least take away his army) and that will be a talking point.
Because it makes us look like weaklings who can be ignored in the future? Better to get this over with by crushing our enemies quickly. We still have far more troops than them.We lost about 2,000 in the battle at the fort, an uncertain but probably similar number in missing horsemen. They're not winning, but we're losing. If we sit in siege and wait for their reinforcements to arrive with a martial commander we're in a lot of trouble.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 13, 2018, 01:45:31 pm
We already tried negotiations.
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 02:01:24 pm
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You decide to sit still while your Thundercats continue bombardment.
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It lasts for an hour before a large explosion occurs behind the city wall. Soon, a giant plume of smoke and blaze of fire follows toward the sky. Scouts report various soldiers abandoning the portion of the wall. A storage of Fireblood must've been hit by your engineers or otherwise caught fire.
Few housr later everyone can see that large portion of the capital is on fire. Scouts report that most of Thundercats on the walls are now abandoned, and few soldiers remain on their posts.
You decide it is splendid moment to...
A) Sit down and enjoy some good ale.
B) Send an offer of negotiations to the Duke.
C) Storm the city and take it by force.
D) Show no mercy by bombarding them some more.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 13, 2018, 02:02:53 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 13, 2018, 02:04:38 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2018, 02:05:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 02:07:03 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 13, 2018, 02:22:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 13, 2018, 02:25:50 pm
If we can force surrender before reinforcements arrive we save ourselves a straight fight. We might even be able to force them to beseige their own capital.
Post by: crazyabe on January 13, 2018, 02:34:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 13, 2018, 02:35:14 pm
A Watch it burn.
Or I'd do B. Heck even D would be preferable in my mind, and it's a bit superfluous right now. We've been warned San is coming and this guy has been pulling off all kinds of military feats, including some pretty fast travel. Let's be prepared instead of caught from behind.
If we can force surrender before reinforcements arrive we save ourselves a straight fight. We might even be able to force them to beseige their own capital.IF...
We shall fortify ourselves by forcibly occupying an enemy city with a big hole in the wall?
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 02:37:44 pm
The city is on fire. Why are we rushing in again? The fire is already doing our work.
A Watch it burn.
Or I'd do B. Heck even D would be preferable in my mind, and it's a bit superfluous right now. We've been warned San is coming and this guy has been pulling off all kinds of military feats, including some pretty fast travel. Let's be prepared instead of caught from behind.If we can force surrender before reinforcements arrive we save ourselves a straight fight. We might even be able to force them to beseige their own capital.IF...
We shall fortify ourselves by forcibly occupying an enemy city with a big hole in the wall?
If we capture some of his family members, I doubt San would be an issue.
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 02:41:16 pm
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The fighting is brutal, and the flames surely consume some of your soldiers (along with Evalians). The battle for the capital continues on however, and your men press on.
After a the sun sets, and then rises again, your men bring Caun, Duke of Eval, in shackles!
He is seated before you and you decide to offer him...
A) Chance to start a brand new life as a prosperous and happy vassal of the great Methiant Empire!
B) Safe passage through Methiant wherever he wishes while you will be busying yourself with incorporation of Eval into Methiant!
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 02:52:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 03:02:39 pm
(in other words you gotta nepotise and/or feudalise a bit more)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 03:05:28 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 13, 2018, 03:10:35 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on January 13, 2018, 03:15:48 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 03:18:27 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2018, 03:20:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 03:23:07 pm
Safe passage seems way to good, and it gives wherever he ends up an excuse to attack.
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 03:24:23 pm
Celebratory feast in the afternoon ends quickly because your officers wish to convene with you.
"Sire, do we conclude the campaign and go home, or is there something else on your mind?"
A) "Yes, let's conclude the campaign and go home for well-earned rest!"
B) "No, I've got to see San's bloody corpse first!!"
C) "Yes, let's conclude this campaign, but we have no time to rest, we need to march to Cydwyl at once!"
Post by: crazyabe on January 13, 2018, 03:25:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 03:29:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 13, 2018, 03:40:50 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 03:46:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 03:57:52 pm
A I want to help Cydwyl soon but we do need to stop to attend our wife's funeral. It would also probably be a good idea to let our men rest and prepare for another campaign for a second while we do so. Plus it also allows us to stop to see how the Empire is doing internally.
Our wife is the mother/mother in law of the Cydwyl royal family. We need to fix their shit so they can attend the burial.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2018, 04:00:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 13, 2018, 04:52:38 pm
(Also, can we get an official word on how many soldiers remain after that campaign? Will some of the missing turn up or are they written off?)
Next best is A
I agree with Prophet. We're currently campaigning in the southwest, the Agaresians are attacking Cydwyl in the north/northeast. Let's swing by the capital and check in, even if it's only for a single update. We've already ordered an emergency force up there, an extra week or three without our personal presence shouldn't be a game changer. (And since we'd be defending an ally for at least the first half, I wouldn't expect the Conqueror bonus to apply.)
Our wife is the mother/mother in law of the Cydwyl royal family. We need to fix their shit so they can attend the burial.I would think that's not an expectation on their part due to travel time. When our wife's father died we visited the tomb but the funeral was long over, and that was during peace.
Post by: ZBridges on January 13, 2018, 04:55:00 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 13, 2018, 05:01:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 05:08:01 pm
Our wife is the mother/mother in law of the Cydwyl royal family. We need to fix their shit so they can attend the burial.I would think that's not an expectation on their part due to travel time. When our wife's father died we visited the tomb but the funeral was long over, and that was during peace.
Honestly, I'd be willing to ask his attendance as payment for our help.
I have a hunch that his court does not like us quite as much as he does, and that he is being manipulated (dude is afraid to stand up to his own uncle over a marriage arrangement). I doubt he would have thrown money back in his father-in-laws face if it were entirely up to him. Regular face to face meetings with this guy could be critical to developing the relationship between Methiant and Cydwyl.
If my hunch is correct, Eventually we may win control of his nation by backing him against his own nobles and court.
Also, just had a brain wave, we should rename Eval to Esta in honor of our wife. Just a cute flavor thing, but it would be nice to show that Cyl cares about his family (even as he keeps putting off her funeral)
Post by: Imic on January 13, 2018, 05:08:36 pm
Send the army off to help Cydwyl, our marshal can deal with this one.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 05:21:56 pm
Send the army off to help Cydwyl, our marshal can deal with this one.
...So how long are we going to depend on the marshal anyway? Our son Houlandin is about as old as we were when we started leading armies, and he has the Martial trait. Connan isn't far behind him either.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 13, 2018, 05:34:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 13, 2018, 05:44:36 pm
Are we prepared to change our successor? Because if Leath names his own brother to the post after he ascends, that's one thing. But it strikes me as a questionable idea to have the heir to throne be different from the son who leads the army to victory.
"Hey, ya want to lead my armies and kill some shit for me?"
is not the same as
"Hey, ur my heir now. Peace."
Post by: birdy51 on January 13, 2018, 06:06:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 13, 2018, 07:39:36 pm
Midsummer, 1135 AD
You enter Esta's burial chamber. The body has been placed in a shallow sarcophagus, and most of her body sans face is under cover of velvety blanket (a necessity, said your servants). You smell herbs and flowers and something akin to vinegar in the stale air of the place.
You spend several hours talking to Esta, your vision blurry from tears and your breath shallow. But even a farewell must come to and end and you leave the chamber of undeath for the world of living.
Very quickly your officers step up to you, and both Houlandin and Connan are amongst them.
"Father!" The elder of your sons steps forward. "You had your victory, and you've proven you worth as an Emperor. Can't we have a moment of glory and lead the Army to help our sister and his husband?"
"Yes!" Connan chimes in with his reedy voice. "We will take the veterans and fresh recruits and bring you glory while you can stay and watch over the Empire!"
You decide to...
A) Deny them glory and lead the Army personally into Cydwyl.
B) Be on the safe side and let only Connan to go to war.
C) Proudly allow your sons to participate in their first war in your place.
D) Be on the safe side and let only Houlandin to go to war.
E) Stay with your sons in Methe; your Army's officers will lead the troops against Agaresians.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 13, 2018, 07:44:44 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 13, 2018, 09:12:25 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 13, 2018, 09:38:10 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 13, 2018, 09:47:54 pm
Rip.
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 13, 2018, 09:56:08 pm
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Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 05:54:24 am
1135 AD, Late Summer
You receive a report that Connan, Houlandin and your Army joined fresh recruits of Cidric, who himself is fighting on the frontlines. Rumors have it he has already killed five thousand Agaresians while leading his troops.
Few days later the guards come to your throne room.
"Sire, there is a Battlebrother Evyf, hailing from Parsia, asking for an audience, but there's also administrator of the city of Ogwannynd near the northeastern forest, and he wants an audience too."
A) Let's have a chat with the Alldivine traveller.
B) Time to talk stuff with the administrator.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 05:55:03 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 14, 2018, 06:08:43 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2018, 06:12:25 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 07:06:17 am
Maybe, just maybe, we'll finally annex that forest between regular Methiant and the province of Tiftit?
And then maybe, just maybe, the Battlebrother will be bringing Alldivine refugees we can settle in it?
Post by: Imic on January 14, 2018, 07:19:30 am
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 07:54:52 am
"Greetings, Emperor! I bring a proposal that I have and colleagues in Tiftif have planned for a while."
He is offering to clear-cut wide swathes of the great Northern Forest. Obviously, many of your courtiers begin voicing their dipleasure with this idea - it is a popular hunting grounds for the nobility, as well as place where many holy sites and shrines of Pantheonist deities have been located for many centuries. Plus one of Pantheonist divine beasts, the White Stag, is rumored to be living there.
Still, the administrator believes that it will only help the Empire in the long run, making place for many new settlements, cutting travel time and boosting travelers' safety, not to mention that who knows what natural riches might be hidden by the thick canopy of the forest trees.
Of course, this is no small task and not a cheap one either; the administrator and his friends calculated that this might take a decade or two (or even more), and obviously the woodcutters, pioneers and other folk will need to be paid on yearly basis.
Ultimately, the decision rests in your hands.
A) About time we make use of the big forest. I shall sponsor the development of new roads and settlements!
B) Both deities and ancestors would be greatly offended if we damage the sacred forest. I cannot possibly support such an enterprise!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 08:00:13 am
I feel like there should be some middle-ground here, though, like "you can coppice some sections of it" or something.
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 08:04:28 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 14, 2018, 08:05:51 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2018, 08:07:13 am
Post by: Arlos on January 14, 2018, 08:12:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 14, 2018, 08:28:43 am
I wouldn't mind a middle path, making an imperial highway though it, with well constructed and designated rest stops, perhaps say every 6-8 hours along it. But cutting it down for living space? Nah....
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 10:50:14 am
Come to think of it, road building and improvement is pretty much a hallmark of land-based empires through history. But clear-cutting an ancient, sacred, mystical forest? Not for us.
Post by: crazyabe on January 14, 2018, 11:02:19 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 11:02:46 am
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 11:09:03 am
The Battlebrother from Parsia enters next.
"Most blessed Cyl! I've come on behalf of Alldivine refugees that attempt to leave Parsia. While Shapur lets our brethren leave as they please, many are poor and live far away from the border. It is hard for them to scrape enough ducats to pack up and leave for Methiant. Please, can you provide money and supplies for Cloister at the border with Parsia? I personally spoke with three Cloisterlords and they agreed to this if only I gain your support."
You decide to...
A) Send generous amounts of monetary help to the border Cloisters.
B) Send some money and supplies to the Alldivine Cloisters.
C) Offer to write a letter to King Shapur of Parsia on behalf of Alldivines.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2018, 11:14:14 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 11:16:17 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 14, 2018, 11:29:47 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 11:50:21 am
(and C doesn't seem mutually exclusive)
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 14, 2018, 11:58:46 am
Post by: crazyabe on January 14, 2018, 12:21:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2018, 12:40:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 14, 2018, 01:49:16 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 14, 2018, 01:59:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 02:39:10 pm
1135 AD, Autumn
There's an uproar in your administration.
Turns out that previous system of engineers and alchemists working on Fireblood was not only inefficient but very corrupt. Your officials, once they got to the private ledgers of the researches, found that over the years lots of money was being siphoned into pockets of high-ranking men. Unfortunately, those corrupt men are the best specialists Methiant have, and while your officials believe nobody should escape the law, military officers say that Methiant cannot simply discard these men and start anew.
A) That is true. Punish them with heavy fines but do not harm them. The Fireblood Court will need their services, even if they're a tad bit immoral.
B) No! We cannot tolerate corruption; the worst offenders are to be executed while others thrown into dungeon, even if it will set us back few years (hopefully not more).
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 14, 2018, 02:40:33 pm
They're not really our best specialists if they waste resources on lining their own pockets, are they?
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 02:41:41 pm
Actually, I might suggest a third option, "let them continue to get away with it, but spy on them constantly so that more loyal engineers can learn their skills and depose them later".
Post by: crazyabe on January 14, 2018, 02:45:33 pm
Post by: Imic on January 14, 2018, 03:04:21 pm
Give them hell if they screw up again, and keep an eye on them, but we can't just start over.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 03:20:18 pm
Thundercats are working well. The new inventions these guys were supposed to come up with are not. The military brass are just pessimists.
But keep the punishments on the down low, lest better qualified applicants be discouraged.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 14, 2018, 03:37:58 pm
Corruption is like rot, it has to be excised before it spreads.
Post by: birdy51 on January 14, 2018, 03:44:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 14, 2018, 03:45:25 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 14, 2018, 03:54:48 pm
If we make an example of them, other officials will think a third time before becoming corrupt.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 14, 2018, 04:00:38 pm
If we make an example of them, other officials will think a third time before becoming corrupt.
B
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2018, 04:12:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 04:35:57 pm
More loyal and moral, albeit less experienced youths are put in their place.
1135 AD, Mid-Autumn
News arrive from Cydwyl frontier; many skirmishes culminated in a big battle where over sixteen thousand Cydwyl, Methiantese and Dahnian soldiers fought against ten thousand Agaresians, most of them mounted on their fearsome war lizards. The battle was won. and less than thousand Agaresians left the battlefield alive.
There are bad news about the battle, too; allied Army lost a third of their soldiers. Furthermore, your son Houlandin has been wounded in the face, and healers are racing to save his left eye.
A new messenger arrives five days later; Houlandin is now one-eyed, and while he says he is fine, many believe will never be as good and skilled maceman as before.
1135 AD, Late Autumn
Another report comes from Cydwyl; three more battles were fought against Agaresians, each time about a thousand of those easterners were slain.
There is a letter from governor of Ceodwell; he reports that many Parsian Alldivinists have arrived in past months in his province. Local Cloisters are taking care of them, while his administration is attempting to settle them down or help them move further westwards.
1135 AD, Winter
Gold and silver arrive at your capital, are then repackaged and sent to Cydwyl per your agreement with Cidric last year.
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Metals mined in the east provide profits, but glassware outdoes it; the demand for it is higher than last year and thus the price climbed up. That didn't bother the buyers amongst your nobility and local merchants, who praised both quality of the wares and you for supplying them with it.
You receive doubly joyful news; Abis gave birth to another child; it's a girl she named Ela. And the same evening, a messenger brought a letter from King Cidric; his dynastic line has been ensured because your daughter, Eirika, gave birth to twin boys, whom she named Erik and Estjald.
Meanwhile however, not all is well in recently conquered land of Eval; there is lots of insability there. Administrators report that many Evalians in the cities are grumbling aloud about being conquered peoples.
A) They will grumble for a while and then get used to it, no big deal.
B) Maybe if I throw some money their way, they will calm down?
C) Ungrateful scum. I gotta send some troops there to remind them of their place!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 14, 2018, 05:00:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 14, 2018, 05:01:13 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 05:03:16 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 14, 2018, 05:04:04 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 14, 2018, 05:04:21 pm
I think we have the funds for this, but if someone can prove me wrong I'll switch.
Post by: ZBridges on January 14, 2018, 05:07:09 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 14, 2018, 05:09:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2018, 05:15:32 pm
1135 AD, Midwinter
News from the north; another big battle was fought against Agaresians. Five thousand died in it, half amongst Agaresians and half amongst the Alliance (mostly Cidric's own soldiers this time).
You also have a chance to visit the newly constructed keep. It's foundations have been put into place and initial walls of the ground floor are being constructed. The foreman says that they will try to have it finished by 1140.
Few days later, you receive an unpleasant surprise; some courtiers apparently spied on Ustwelf, who was praying according not to the Alldivine rites of your dynasty, but along the rituals of the Pantheon.
You decide to talk with him, as there absolutely cannot be such splits in the royal family!
"It feels fake, father! It lacks substance!" Ustwelf grumbles and then paces about his room. "Father, to me, it is only a philosophy, it's not a religion! No deity to turn to, no sacred sites to visit and no mystical rituals to partake! It's all talk and discussion and scholatry and nothing to fully immerse oneself in. I shall convert to Pantheonism, and so will my wife and my children when I finally get some."
You decide to...
A) Threaten to disown him if he abandons the faith of your family.
B) Allow him to do as he wishes, even if it will hurt the dynasty's image.
C) Attempt to convince him to remain an Alldivinist.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 14, 2018, 05:20:42 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 14, 2018, 05:21:39 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 14, 2018, 05:21:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 05:22:43 pm
While we will stand by our principle of tolerance, that doesn't mean we can't give a try at understanding and answering his problems.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2018, 05:23:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 14, 2018, 05:24:19 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 14, 2018, 05:24:48 pm
Post by: Illgeo on January 14, 2018, 05:31:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 14, 2018, 05:49:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 14, 2018, 06:01:42 pm
It will be a hit to our imperial authority, but fuck it, lets do it.
Post by: Arlos on January 14, 2018, 06:15:38 pm
We really need to pass that religious equality edict.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 14, 2018, 07:17:04 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 14, 2018, 07:24:14 pm
I mean we have proof that the pantheon goods actually exist.
Post by: Taricus on January 14, 2018, 07:24:39 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 14, 2018, 08:42:47 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2018, 08:43:47 pm
I mean we have proof that the pantheon goods actually exist.
Do you mean the raven whose advice we ignored at every opportunity and won the war anyway? :P
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It is a misconception that Alldivinism denies that gods or godlike beings exist and have power. Rather, its followers examine, and where necessary supplant, the superstitious practices and myths of folk religion in order to discover and disseminate a rational and unified knowledge of the true nature of divinity and a practical ethic of behavior in day-to-day life. We could argue that Ustwelf desires to give up the search for deep truths in favor of easy rituals.
I'm a little curious though. It wasn't so long ago (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7597759#msg7597759) that the Alldivines were asking Yoe II to convert officially and bring the country with him; it was never confirmed but I thought from context that the Duedes had a Pantheonist heritage. I wonder where Cyl picked up the new faith? (Possibly his mother, Alldivinism seems to be stronger in the east?)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 14, 2018, 10:17:35 pm
I'm a little curious though. It wasn't so long ago (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7597759#msg7597759) that the Alldivines were asking Yoe II to convert officially and bring the country with him; it was never confirmed but I thought from context that the Duedes had a Pantheonist heritage. I wonder where Cyl picked up the new faith? (Possibly his mother, Alldivinism seems to be stronger in the east?)
His dad died while partaking in what was basically a pantheonist ritual, plunging the nation into civil war. That might be enough to cause him to seek a new faith. On that note, C.
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2018, 12:53:50 am
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Unfortunately that does have some repercussions. Once agian, nobility and officials state their dipleasure with what they call 'a scandal', and of course the Alldivinist front doesn't think of it well either. You can be sure people are displeased and don't think of you well as an Emperor for letting your children to stray from the faith of your grandfather.
1135 AD, Late Winter
According to news from the north, the battlefront has been quiet for past weeks except for few very minor skirmishes.
As the days pass, you cannot help but admit that you see this young maid Siria in different light. You find her long brown hair simply lovely, and her sparkly green eyes like emeralds. Every time she brings you food, you feel certain dose of excitement. Every time you talk with her, she seems elated to be near you. Your wife has recently died yet your heart and body aches for a companionship of a woman, it seems.
And from what you've heard from some of the kitchen matrons, Siria apparently talks about no one but you when it comes to men.
A) My heart underestimates my willpower. Infatuation will pass!
B) This will only bring bad luck. I have to dismiss Siria right away.
C) My sons are adult and my dynasty secure. I can do what my heart desires!
Post by: Taricus on January 15, 2018, 12:55:28 am
Post by: milo christiansen on January 15, 2018, 12:57:08 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 15, 2018, 12:59:30 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 15, 2018, 01:00:03 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2018, 01:19:31 am
Edit: Speaking of women, are we ever going to get that Princess we were promised from Lamentia, or did the 1 we rolled later on ruin that?
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 15, 2018, 01:43:17 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 15, 2018, 01:45:52 am
Also, since when were we Alldivinists? I distinctly recall us refusing to convert to their religion when they explicitly asked.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 15, 2018, 02:34:32 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 15, 2018, 03:03:57 am
Haspen, is he going to at least keep this a secret like a sensible Emperor? If so, C.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2018, 03:36:07 am
Ehh... this really depends on what "my heart desires" here.
Haspen, is he going to at least keep this a secret like a sensible Emperor? If so, C.
Cyl was man enough to knock his wife up even while she was on birth control. This will likely end in babymaking if it happens.
Post by: Iituem on January 15, 2018, 03:37:06 am
Post by: Imic on January 15, 2018, 03:57:03 am
Post by: helmacon on January 15, 2018, 04:10:25 am
B
Also, since when were we Alldivinists? I distinctly recall us refusing to convert to their religion when they explicitly asked.
I was wondering about this... certainly wasn't the faith of our grandfather either.
but C at the moment.
Post by: melkor on January 15, 2018, 04:32:42 am
Post by: Arlos on January 15, 2018, 06:01:46 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 15, 2018, 08:51:30 am
I don't know if Cyl knows that his father had such an affair, but if he does he also knows it ended in separation.
Past performance suggests the risk of bastard children is extremely high.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 15, 2018, 08:56:41 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 15, 2018, 09:02:58 am
Since there's no indication that he or his sons were particularly strong adherents, we may suppose that it was a concession to his Ceodwellian bride Auga, and then retcon to say that the Alldivine influence in the family's life slowly grew from that seed.
(If this is Auga's doing, then I can respect it. She was the founding mother, she did as good a job as regent as we ever did playing a king and without her Yoe II would have had nothing but a big mess. Props.)
Post by: birdy51 on January 15, 2018, 09:20:58 am
How unfortunate it is to love the common people... But that seems to be a rolling theme, so let us disgust more of the nobility!
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2018, 10:56:19 am
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You promptly have a talk with the master of your servants. Making up some slight against you, you order her removed from the palace, and he agrees to do so.
Next morning, Siria is nowhere to be seen, and another maid took her place.
1135 AD, End of the Year
You might be an Emperor, your Kingdom might've upgraded into an Empire, and you might have much more power in your hands.
One thing remains unchanged however~!
The Advisor pops in to your study, displaying the Scrolls of Kingdom Status on your desk. You noticed that the Advisor added a line in them.
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Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 4
Imp.Authority: +1
"All the recent developments, expansions, constructions and money given away has drained our robust Treasury quite hard, my liege. The Army is itself a bit strained but that's the result of all this warring this year."
"I also have to report that the Fireblood Court has begun its work in earnest. It will take few years for them to replace the old masters but your officials are positive they can soon do even better than them."
Then he pulls away a large amount of papers from under his robes.
"Do you wish to proclaim an edict this year, Emperor? I have proposals and blank parchment at the ready." You decide to...
A) Issue an edict.
B) Skip it this year.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 15, 2018, 10:57:10 am
Post by: Arlos on January 15, 2018, 10:57:50 am
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2018, 11:24:29 am
MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Establish The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 15, 2018, 11:25:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 15, 2018, 11:26:04 am
Post by: crazyabe on January 15, 2018, 11:33:49 am
Post by: Arlos on January 15, 2018, 11:42:44 am
Because we are getting a lot of problem from this.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 15, 2018, 11:44:01 am
Proclaim Religious EqualityI don't think that would do jack shit to change the fact that people will get pissy if the ruling family doesn't keep the faith. Some religions are more equal than others in the eyes of the populace whether the government says so or not.
Because we are getting a lot of problem from this.
Post by: Arlos on January 15, 2018, 11:45:33 am
Establish ye Passage Tax.Proclaim Religious EqualityI don't think that would do jack shit to change the fact that people will get pissy if the ruling family doesn't keep the faith. Some religions are more equal than others in the eyes of the populace whether the government says so or not.
Because we are getting a lot of problem from this.
If it's in the Imperial Edict proposition, than I highly doubt it is useless.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2018, 11:46:32 am
I'd wait on the passage tax. I think we are still in the process of accepting poor refugees from Parsia.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 15, 2018, 11:50:31 am
If it's in the Imperial Edict proposition, than I highly doubt it is useless.Who said it was useless? I just don't think it will help with that problem.
Post by: Prophet on January 15, 2018, 12:22:07 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 15, 2018, 12:53:30 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 15, 2018, 12:58:16 pm
We have had it as a de facto policy, let us make it de jure.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 15, 2018, 12:59:51 pm
Let's make a new council, I am sure they wont betray us.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 15, 2018, 01:24:01 pm
Proclaim Religious Equality
We have had it as a de facto policy, let us make it de jure.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 15, 2018, 01:33:25 pm
It's thematic, although a little late.
Post by: Imic on January 15, 2018, 02:19:34 pm
For the love of fuck, we can't over - use this. Stop over - using this.
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2018, 03:23:14 pm
Inter-faith conflict will no longer be allowed within borders of Methiant. Theological differences or not, various cults and congregations will have to either learn to live in peace and cooperation, or face fines, jail time, or revocation of their priviledges.
1136 AD, Spring
News come from the north; your soldiers and your two sons scored a major victory against the Agaresians, wiping out almost five thousand of lizard riders in truly brilliant tactical envelopment. Thundercats and Cydwyllian cavalry forces also played major factor in the victory.
Few days later you receive a letter from Connan, however, which seems a little bit pessimistic.
In the letter, he describes growing differences between him and Houlandin, shortages of Fireblood (Cidric's court isn't very punctual nor generous with resupply), and the fact that there's alarmingly large number of Agaresian reinforcements every few months.
In the final paragraph, he pelads for you to extend emergency mobilization and send some supplies through Tiftit, as he doesn't believe his brother-in-law's courtiers, especially his elder relatives. You muse about your reply to Cidric for a while.
As for emergency mobilization...
A) Decide to extend it for another year.
B) Write that you cannot strain people's backs with distant, foreign wars this much.
As for supplies...
A) Agree to send supplies, but through Cydwyl Kingdom, because hiding stuff from your allies is a bad thing to do.
B) Sadly inform Connan that there's a bit too much on your head (and Treasury's back) to send him stuff.
C) Agree to send supplies through Tiftit, just like Connan asked.
Post by: Imic on January 15, 2018, 03:29:19 pm
C
Post by: ZBridges on January 15, 2018, 03:29:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 15, 2018, 03:39:08 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2018, 03:41:38 pm
I think Cidric's Court if full of wankers. Lets give them an opprotunity to prove us right and fuck with the supplies, so that we might take action against them.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 15, 2018, 03:55:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 15, 2018, 04:29:11 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 15, 2018, 04:50:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2018, 05:06:09 pm
1136 AD, Mid-Spring
Alarming news come from Ceodwell. It has had a bit of trouble with securing food and lodgins for some of the refugees last winter, and while your officials managed to solve that problem, they're now facing a potentially much more dangerous crisis; some of the camps, where the Alldivine worshippers are staying temporarily, became hot-spots of various diseases.
The governor of Ceodwell as well as various city mayors are asking the Crown for immediate assistance.
A) Send some supplies their way, it cannot be that bad.
B) Disease is no joke, let's send more than enough supplies to Ceodwell.
C) Sorry, I'm on a thin budget this year.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2018, 05:18:35 pm
Post by: omada on January 15, 2018, 06:08:20 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 15, 2018, 06:13:20 pm
Most of the extra expenses we picked up at the coronation are multi-year things. I'm starting to really worry about our budget.
But you never mess around with disease. (Besides, population = income)
If the war in the north is not finished this year, I think we must recall the army whatever the diplomatic risk.
Post by: Baffler on January 15, 2018, 06:21:48 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 15, 2018, 06:27:33 pm
I'm curious about how much longer the northerners can sustain sending so many troops.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 16, 2018, 12:24:27 am
Post by: Imic on January 16, 2018, 05:17:30 am
We can make money.
Post by: Haspen on January 16, 2018, 05:06:46 pm
1136 AD, Late Spring
Some skirmishes occured in the north between Cydwyls and Agaresians, though nothing major happened.
1136 AD, Summer
It's been quiet on Cydwyl front; besides a small battle against about two thousand Agaresians, nothing else happened in past weeks.
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Meanwhile, refugees slowly make their way towards inner parts of the Empire, as the disease outbreaks have been dealt with and now medics have enough essences and medicine to properly treat new arrivals. It make take years before the Parsians settle down, but that's only more subjects for you.
Few days later, there's more family drama for you to muddle through.
It seems that Leath has decided that local ale and Alldivine prayers are not exciting enough, and has delved into Parsian mysticism and some highly intoxicating powders.
The courtiers murmur, having found him drooling and giggling in one of the guest bedrooms, without his pants and without his dignity. His wife isn't in better shape, but rather than having a euphoric fit she just sits in the corner, reaching toward the window and chanting some Parsian words as if she was being visited by one of Eleven.
Nobles say that Abis might be having bad influences on your son and heir, and some murmur that it was Parsian plan all along. Few shake their heads and say that no matter the influence, a weak-willed man will always fall for trappings of strange and exotic.
Still, you need to make a decision about this little mess.
A) Abis is an saboteur and a spy for her father! Divorce is a necessity; we should find Leath a better wife somewhere else.
B) Leath's weakness shows that he is unfit to rule! Let's make Ustwelf the heir to throne of Methiant instead.
C) We have alcohol, the Parsians have powders, that's all. Everyone needs to relax sometimes!
D) Time to smack up Leath a little bit, because it seems he is forgetting that he is the heir of the Empire, and with that comes responsibility and certain etiquette to follow.
E) Time to lecture Abis about how damaging her Parsian practices are to her family, and remind her that she is in Methiant, not Parsia, and thus should finally become a true Methiantese.
F) Better clear your throat with some herbal water, because there will be a long, loud and very angry lecture for both of them when they get sober.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 16, 2018, 05:09:01 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 16, 2018, 05:10:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 16, 2018, 05:11:21 pm
Post by: omada on January 16, 2018, 05:12:03 pm
That is F
I mean, it's okay to have some fun, and it's okay for having her own religion, but as future queen and king they should think a bit and not abuse anything
If you wan't more liberty the people should love you
No really, I would start forcing Leath to see all our messengers visits and paperwork, it's time for him to start seeing how real work will be and how one bad step can blow everything
Post by: helmacon on January 16, 2018, 05:12:21 pm
If he wants to be a mystic, that's fine, but he's got to lay off the powders.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 16, 2018, 05:12:35 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 16, 2018, 05:13:33 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 16, 2018, 05:14:09 pm
F - is even better. You're both royalty and part of this family. You get some slack but this it too much.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 16, 2018, 05:15:15 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 16, 2018, 05:25:40 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 16, 2018, 05:34:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 05:42:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 16, 2018, 05:43:55 pm
All religions are equal, but mine is more equal than others.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 16, 2018, 06:00:07 pm
B, forget the eleven made-up gods of Parsia, hit him with the six words royalty cowers to hear: "you are out of the will".
F, at this rate we're going to have to remove leath from the inheritance.
If the lecture doesn't work, I'd wait until our army is home and recovered before doing this. It might be a good excuse to start shit with Parsia... or for Parsia to start shit with us.
Post by: Arlos on January 16, 2018, 06:01:50 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 16, 2018, 06:18:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 16, 2018, 06:45:14 pm
No really, I would start forcing Leath to see all our messengers visits and paperwork, it's time for him to start seeing how real work will be and how one bad step can blow everythingYeah, why should only the martial kids get an internship? He's more than old enough to work for his supper.
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 08:59:48 am
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2018, 09:40:01 am
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Your lecture seems to have taken effect, as Leath swore an oath to never try anything stronger than ale, but Abis looks positively dissappointed, albeit she too promises to not indulge in herbal mixtures anymore.
1136 AD, Midsummer
Few skirmishes in the north is all that happens, according to Houlandin's report.
Then your court receives an extremely worrying report from the south - the Empire has invaded Lametania! Apparently some law dispute brought to the courts escalated with help of a round of insults. Margrave of Rucus has gathered support from King of Ebirus and Chancellor of Maxus, and their combined marches are apparently already besieging several border forts and cities in southern Lametania.
If Lametania gets subjugated or annexed, the Empire, its peoples and its faith will have direct and quite wide border with Methiant.
A) We ought to make an excuse and go conquer juiciest bits of Lametania ourselves!
B) Let's secretly send some supplies to Lametania.
C) Let's being a war subsidy campaign to steadily supply Lametanians with arms.
D) Ehhh... let's just not get involved.
Post by: crazyabe on January 18, 2018, 09:42:29 am
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 09:53:25 am
Post by: birdy51 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:52 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 18, 2018, 10:14:15 am
Not to mention the last time we went against the prophecy things got pretty brutal.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 18, 2018, 10:19:42 am
Spoiler: been a while since one of these (click to show/hide)
The only way we dropped so much in the coronation year is if those big building projects were pre-funded. (I think.)
C
If we're careful about spending we'll come out okay.
We just agreed to formal alliance with Lametania, we need to do something helpful but the army is away.
(If Cydwyl is not suffering endless waves of Agaresians, perhaps we can bring that army south again very soon?)
Post by: Criptfeind on January 18, 2018, 10:25:46 am
We just agreed to formal alliance with Lametania, we need to do something helpful but the army is away.
Aw fuck. I forgot that people made that decision. Changing my vote to C I guess....
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2018, 10:26:13 am
Post by: Twinwolf on January 18, 2018, 11:35:06 am
Post by: omada on January 18, 2018, 11:35:26 am
Our kids should strike on agaresian lands fast or begin bringing lizard skins for a profit
Hmm, yes we agreed to an alliance
but where is the marriage? (we should have offered them to bend knees in the beginning.)
B or C are fine
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 18, 2018, 11:39:47 am
Post by: milo christiansen on January 18, 2018, 11:56:48 am
C
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 18, 2018, 11:58:15 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 18, 2018, 01:13:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2018, 01:49:43 pm
Also, shouldn't we be calling the opposing party The Damnadanians on principle. I believe we should consider ourselves to be The Empire.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 18, 2018, 01:57:39 pm
Also, shouldn't we be calling the opposing party The Damnadanians on principle. I believe we should consider ourselves to be The Empire.
Well, this is Our Empire, they have That Other Empire and then there's That Empire Over There that the Gubtas have.
Anyway, C!
Post by: Puppyguard on January 18, 2018, 02:20:35 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 18, 2018, 02:53:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2018, 03:27:11 pm
1136, Late Summer
Your sons have scored another victory against Agaresians.
Lametanians, on other hand, are faring rather badly. Their King has been slain, and hastily enthroned Prince Naurin is said to have begun negotiations with the Damdamians.
You have enough problems to deal with on your own; taking opportunity of your Treasury burdened by one thing and your Army being far away, the peoples of Eval has risen up in revolt!
They're led, unsuprisingly, by Prince San; his army numbers about three thousand and while most of it is peasant rabble, there's about thousand swordsmen and horsemen who kept their old armors and weapons polished and oiled just for this occassion. The group has already taken hold of one small city, not far from the ex-Duchy's capital, and are marching northwards.
Your courtiers and officers called a council to address this issue at once. Ultimately, you decide to...
A) Send a messenger to Prince San, offering negotiations.
B) Recall Houlandin and Connan with part of the Army to fight the Evalian insurgents.
C) Do nothing for now, and rely on western garrisons and road patrols to muddle down San and his cohorts.
D) Take the royal guard and fresh recruits and lead them against the rebel scum!!!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2018, 03:30:49 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 18, 2018, 03:37:05 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 18, 2018, 03:38:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2018, 03:40:33 pm
We know Eval wants Lamentia. We don't want Naurin handing over our buffer state to the Damdamians. Perhaps, if this guy is willing to accept becoming our Vassal, we can acknowledge him as the King of Lamentia, and sponsor him to get involved in that conflict.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 18, 2018, 03:48:34 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 18, 2018, 03:55:01 pm
D - We can always collect some of the garrisons used in C along the way. Besides, he's a Martial leader so we need to face him ourselves.But that won't equal his bonus?
Eval has been too costly and counter to prophecy. Time to cut our losses.
EDIT: Switching vote below, don't count this post.
Post by: ZBridges on January 18, 2018, 04:18:21 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 18, 2018, 04:31:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 18, 2018, 04:49:00 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2018, 04:49:11 pm
D at least gives us a chance to make good decisions to counter his Martial ability, rather than trusting in a single roll like C would. B I could get behind, because then we counter his Martial trait with one of our own.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 18, 2018, 04:50:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2018, 05:03:32 pm
A will lead, at best, to a white peace with Eval that involves them being independent again, which will cost us Imperial Authority.
We can say no if that is the best they offer, but I suspect they will give something better than a white peace. They have to know that they can't actually topple Methiant, and even if their rebellion succeeds in the short run, we will eventually regain our strength and crush them again.
Post by: Twinwolf on January 18, 2018, 05:17:26 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 19, 2018, 04:41:52 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 19, 2018, 04:47:26 am
Post by: Imic on January 19, 2018, 05:27:10 am
Post by: helmacon on January 19, 2018, 11:36:05 am
We are more or less done up north.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 19, 2018, 11:44:33 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 19, 2018, 12:32:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 19, 2018, 03:50:53 pm
Another rebel head for our collection.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 19, 2018, 05:43:46 pm
I was already wavering between A and B, and with all this time to think about it I flipped across.
Higher risk (losing Eval AND losing a war, not to mention really low army) but also I think the better chance of a good outcome.
Post by: Baffler on January 19, 2018, 09:52:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2018, 09:08:59 am
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You decide to order that your sons and your Army return from Cydwyl and help deal with the Evalian rebels.
1136 AD, Autumn
Your sons have returned; Connan, against your orders however, decreed that Thundercats against Agaresians, along with some few hundred troops, were to be let in Cidric's care until Agaresians are truly repelled, as minor raids continue.
Houlandin on other hand does not want to go. According to what you've heard from one of his favorite servants and best friends, he is in fact both angry and sad about losing an eye and thus permamently being viewed as cripple till end of his days. Not even the fact that ladies find his eyepatch and thick golden stubble sexy and manly seem to lift his spirits.
As for Cidric's self-governance...
A) It's a reasonable thing to do plus it shows we don't abandon our alliance with Cydwyls, so he can get away with it.
B) Scold him for leaving extremely important part of military in foreigners' hands and away from the important battlefield of Eval.
C) -
As for Houlandin's self-grief...
A) Find him a wife. Nothing soothes man's spirit than a beautiful woman at his side, distracting him during monotony of everyday life.
B) Praise his efforts and give him special military command powers, second only to the Marshal, to boost his self-esteem.
C) Yell at him to go and get his ass working against Evalians, cuz you ain't raisin' no slackers in this house!
D) -
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 20, 2018, 09:12:55 am
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2018, 09:18:44 am
Simple as that.
Post by: birdy51 on January 20, 2018, 09:33:24 am
Not sure what to do here though.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 20, 2018, 10:08:12 am
I thought we were going to do something like this anyway from the wording of the previous options.
B
I think it's a good idea... Not only can he make sure the bits of the army we leave up there are safe, but we'll be a lot more effective with both bits of army lead by martial princes. Long term If we can get a "prince of war" position or something going on we'll have the ability to use both charisma and martial traits at the same time without waiting to breed them up... Of course it makes it a lot more possible for rebellions to happen. We need to work to make sure that the army is loyal to the empire first and their commanders second.
So long as we're giving more and more responsibilities to our sons, once Connan beats the rebellion, we should send Leath to negotiate their surrender, and afterwards to assist administration of the area and help fold it into the empire properly instead of just leaving a bunch of bureaucrats in charge. We've got a lot of adult children with powerful traits, we should be using that!
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 20, 2018, 10:19:48 am
I like having a one-eyed Houlandin in charge of our sanctioned murder.
Speaking of sanctioned murder though, we should probably start wiping out the Evalian dynasty with the help of our dear Spymaster.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 20, 2018, 10:52:41 am
Connan may be martial but letting him disregard orders is asking for future trouble. (Doubly so if he left all the Thundercats – we need those!)
For Houlandin, the wife option could work but I feel like it may easily backfire if he thinks we're forcing her. We can try that if this reward doesn't work.
(If we're very clever, we throw a gala to celebrate the appointment, and maybe he'll make his own match. He's not a cripple, he's a war hero.)
Combining the two, put Houlandin in charge of the Eval campaign but make Connan stay home so they clearly understand whom we favor.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 20, 2018, 11:24:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on January 20, 2018, 11:36:29 am
Finding him a wife seems to be the correct course of action, as praising him might inflame his sensibilities.
Changing to the AA Gun
Post by: Twinwolf on January 20, 2018, 11:44:09 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 20, 2018, 12:31:18 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 20, 2018, 12:38:56 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 20, 2018, 02:16:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2018, 02:33:15 pm
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Weeeeeh v;
Post by: crazyabe on January 20, 2018, 02:34:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2018, 02:47:54 pm
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He seems to pay attention to your words, and you manage to explain it both plainly as well as usefully, that lost eye is nothing bad - because every other part of his body will be sharper to compensate, and thus he has nothing to be afraid to; instead, even better times are coming to him!
Whether he believes you or not, you're not sure, but he decides to help his brother destroy the Evalians and rides after him with his guards and companions.
Several days later you receive news from Eval; several more cities and villages have joined the uprising, flocking to San's banner, easily influenced by his promises of restoring the independence of the Duchy from 'vile Methiantese invaders'.
1136, Mid-Autumn
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Tragedy has struck your forces in Eval; not only a major battle was lost, Connan has been gravely injured. According to the report, healers tend to him 24 hours a day while Houlandin is regrouping the forces.
His reports gives dispositions of the rebel forces; many thousand of peasant rabble, but even against 5 peasants with pitchforks and bows a single trained soldier won't last long. He forever swore an oath - he shall return triumphiant or not at all.
A) Foolishness, all this! If Evalians want independence, let's see if we can bring it to the peace table.
B) May the all deities bless the kid in his efforts!
C) It's time I join my sons in this rightful crusade against Evalian insurgents!!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 20, 2018, 02:50:55 pm
Post by: Imic on January 20, 2018, 02:56:21 pm
Seriously, they're our kids. What would our dear departed wife say to this?
Post by: milo christiansen on January 20, 2018, 02:58:11 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 20, 2018, 03:01:16 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 20, 2018, 03:10:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2018, 03:12:37 pm
Congratulations! Cyl I embarks on another military campaign!
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While you're in transit, you receive news that Connan's situation is still bad. While he is alive, healers are doubtful that he will make full recovery, but they're trying all the same.
About five days after receiving the message, you arrive to lead the Army against the insurgents.
Houlandin has managed to reorganize the forces into five thousand strong, whom he supplied with local guards and militia from the northern Felonsine lands. Horses and auxiliaries has also been procured, just in case of prolonged war he says.
Scouts bring reports; San has decided to move his forces along the southern border, and it seems his intent is to actually attack Methiant proper.
A) Fat chance! We will chase him and then smash his peasant rabble into the dirt!
B) Then he is giving us free reign to punish his Evalian 'subjects' for his rebellion!
C) Seems like a good moment to gather even more forces in the meanwhile!
Post by: ZBridges on January 20, 2018, 03:14:47 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 20, 2018, 03:17:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 20, 2018, 03:25:50 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 20, 2018, 03:27:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 20, 2018, 03:29:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 20, 2018, 03:36:22 pm
Post by: omada on January 20, 2018, 04:13:42 pm
B) hapiness debuff? a lure into a trap? dafuck???
C) gain more army, he will also increase numbers too. but hopeffully our better trained man are better
Post by: helmacon on January 20, 2018, 05:37:22 pm
I smell a trap, but nuance is not provided to us here.
I do believe we have some history with this fellow. We are the only ones to have beaten him before, and when we did so it was completely. We rolled a 10 I think. If I had to guess, I would say he considers us his mortal enemy.
Post by: Prophet on January 20, 2018, 10:51:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 03:06:45 am
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Unfortunately the moment you do so, you're in a valley, surrounded by hills. San's forces turn around, no doubt his scouts notifying him of the pursuit, and currently his cavalry is rushing toward the hillsides!
A) Retreat, retreat! We can't fight like this!
B) Let's try to grab a hill before the bulk of his rabble arrives!
C) Attack, attack! First we knock his detached cavalry, then the insurgent himself!
Post by: milo christiansen on January 21, 2018, 03:07:21 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 21, 2018, 03:08:49 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 03:17:55 am
Post by: Iituem on January 21, 2018, 03:26:09 am
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 03:29:44 am
Post by: ZBridges on January 21, 2018, 03:33:26 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 03:38:53 am
B
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 03:53:14 am
You saw nothing. Shoo v;
EDIT: Wait then this voting has no reason, for Houlandin directs one and Cyl then directs the masses. Lemme fix 'v.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 21, 2018, 03:55:23 am
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 04:02:26 am
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You meet enemy forces on the hill, your cavalry's charge led by Houlandin.
Meanwhile, as the battle for the hill rages, your men spot San's troops! They're running toward you and your men, and the battle commences.
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Despite the rabble being rabble, they're fighting most brilliantly and with high morale. You don't see this little military genius, San, but you can feel it in your bones that he is leading his troops personally.
That easily shows because your men are losing ground! You order your reservists to come to the frontlines and push the peasants into the ground!
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The counter-attack doesn't go well and your flank is about to crumble! You look to the hill; Houlandin has taken it from the looks of it, but you can still see many Evalian cloaks fluttering on the backs of the forces fighting there.
You need to solve your own dilemma without Houlandin's help for the time being.
A) CHAAARRRGGEEE!!!
B) Retreat, retreat! We will fight some other day!
C) Take a step back, then do a regroup, and then we attack again!
Post by: ZBridges on January 21, 2018, 04:04:53 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 05:30:21 am
Post by: omada on January 21, 2018, 10:15:19 am
It's hard to vote
Post by: Criptfeind on January 21, 2018, 10:55:06 am
Who decided that bringing our non combat guy into combat with a combat guy when we have a combat son was a good idea? We've been hurting our forces by leading them here, if Houlandin was in charge he'd be fighting at +1 instead of -1... At least in theory, it seems like he was fighting a +0 for some reason. I guess their numbers advantage gave them an extra +1. Still, better then the -1 we're at now.
I think we should C here. Retreat and regroup. Put Houlandin in charge. Maybe even give him our artifacts.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 11:21:18 am
Right, we have wolf-fang and the Lakemetal Thread Tunic... Which probably means we have just about even roll or slightly lesser rolls in personal combat as this guy.
Who decided that bringing our non combat guy into combat with a combat guy when we have a combat son was a good idea? We've been hurting our forces by leading them here, if Houlandin was in charge he'd be fighting at +1 instead of -1... At least in theory, it seems like he was fighting a +0 for some reason. I guess their numbers advantage gave them an extra +1. Still, better then the -1 we're at now.
I think we should C here. Retreat and regroup. Put Houlandin in charge. Maybe even give him our artifacts.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 11:57:31 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 12:04:33 pm
I think this is the correct strategy. If they pursue, it
In any other setup I would probably charge, but part of being martial is battlefield adaptability. I don't think our Lakemetal Tunic protects against non-body blows and when San sees a stroke bounce off he'll aim at other points. Then it's Wolf-Fang vs. Martial, and since even we are unsure what powers it might have it's too big a risk. We'll still be using the artifacts as a back up plan in the worst case scenario where he manages to catch us during the retreat.
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 12:09:35 pm
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Your soldiers disengage most successfully, moving behind the hill after some time. The massed Evalian troops rush toward the hill, where your son Houlandin is fighting!
A) We still need to regroup, and we need time for that.
B) Forward, to glory and to save Houlandin!
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 12:13:07 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 21, 2018, 12:14:13 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 21, 2018, 12:15:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 12:33:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 12:34:23 pm
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Your soldiers unfortunately weren't prepared for the charge very well and had again fused with the peasants, creating a bloody melee. That is enough for Houlandin and his horsemen to fall upon their flank!
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The peasants are cut down in droves! Their horsemen also fall to the grund or flee, and the rest is being steadily eroded from existence.
Soon you see a potentially dangerous situation - Houlandin is fighting with one other horseman! Mace against a short sword, horses neighing and stomping as their masters try their best to stay in the saddle and to stay alive. They both fight with skills of veterans despite being young...
Then a thought occurs to you - Houlandin's opponent must be San himself!
A) Someone shoot the devil in the head and let's be done with it! Where's a good crossbowman when you need one!?
B) Perfect situation for me to ride in and chop off San's head personally! CHARRRRGGEEE!!!
C) That's my Houlandin! Atta boy, bring me his head, papa believes in you!!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 21, 2018, 12:36:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 12:37:34 pm
B But we happen to have a nice sword perfect for chopping.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 12:39:45 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 21, 2018, 01:04:20 pm
Honor is for people with Martial traits.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 21, 2018, 01:05:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2018, 01:49:30 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 21, 2018, 02:27:46 pm
we are proud of our son, but this is our mortal enemy.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 21, 2018, 02:39:00 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 21, 2018, 02:41:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 03:10:11 pm
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The fighting is fierce and San manages to fight you both on more than equal footing.
At one point, you get slashed across head. You fall from the horse, your back meeting the ground in a most painful way as your horse rides away. You quickly sit up to look at Houlandin, still fighting San!
They continue on even as you lift yourself from the ground. Houlandin strikes San in the abdomen, but the Evalian prince soon repays by cutting at his left leg.
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Moments later, as you blink, Houlandin's mace descends upon San's face. The crunch is audible even while combat rages around you, but the sight of San's body plummeting to the ground without resistance is most satisfying - especially when he doesn't stand up.
Houlandin lets out a cry of victory and soon Methiantese soldiers around repeat after him.
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Death of San has immediate and pretty obvious repercussions; his horsemen scatter, and peasants dissolve into chaotic, disorganized mass that is mowed down. The battle, while it lasts another hour, has already ended in victory.
By the evening, your Army celebrates destruction of the rebel forces.
Your officers gather in a council, as future of Eval and its peoples is to be decided.
A) Their popular leaders and noblemen are to be 'dealt with', and replaced with Methiantese aristocracy, officials and important families.
B) We've dealt with the rebels, now its time to show a gentler hand to the dumb sheeple covering in their hamlets at the moment!
C) Repercussions will be harsh and before we return to Methe, there will be less Evalians in Eval than ever before!!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2018, 03:13:22 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 21, 2018, 03:13:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 03:14:48 pm
That prophecy got stupidly close to catching up with us. Lets get the fuck out of the West pronto before shit goes even further south.
C has the potential to be effective, but let's go with A. We don't want to burn our own bridge after all. So long as San's dad is one of the ones to be dealt with anyway.
We gave Sans dad passage out of the Duchy when we took the capital. I doubt he is around to be dealt with.
Edit: Also, absolutely 0 bonus for bringing artifacts to the fight? What is even the point of our bling?
Post by: milo christiansen on January 21, 2018, 03:17:40 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 21, 2018, 03:25:39 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 21, 2018, 03:37:38 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 21, 2018, 03:44:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 03:59:55 pm
You write up proscriptions for your agents and officials, and some believe that over hundred of people will have to disappear by end of the year.
With that, the Army moves in to garrison the area and pacify some villages (if they dare to resist), and the campaign is concluded.
Congratulations! Cyl I successfully completes a campaign!
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Tragedy strikes two days into return journey to Methe; Connan's health worsens considerably after a bout of fever, and he perishes just before the sunrise of the third day.
A) A military hero of Methiant has perished! He shall have a grandiose funeral and even grander tomb must be constructed for him!
B) Esta's surely turning in her grave, knowing that Connan will be joining her in the family's tomb.
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 04:35:58 pm
The treasury is low; all his victories were up north; I doubt the expense will be repaid in prestige.
Poor Esta. Even when she's gone we still fail her . . .
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2018, 04:46:04 pm
1136 AD, Late Autumn
Somehow, Lametanians score a major victory over the combined might of Damdamians.
1136 AD, Winter
Gold, silver and gemstones arrive in the Treasury.
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While metals do sell for a bit, the glassware market seems to have crashed; barely a coin was made on selling the glass crafts to local people wealthy enough to afford it!
Few days after the Treasurer's most recent report, your son Ustwelf approaches you after the evening meal.
"Father, I wish to join a Pantheonist temple in the northwest, near border with the Koi. I shall join their ranks as an acolyte, to further strengthen my faith."
"Is there another reason?" You ask, and Ustwelf grimaces, turning his eyes away.
"There is, but I shall keep it to myself." You decide to...
A) Let him go to join the priestly ranks.
B) Tell him you will have to remove him from the line of succession if he dons the robe!
C) Keep him under lock and guard, a disloyal son and a heretic will only cause trouble if sent away from your watchful eye!
D) Offer to sponsor construction of a temple at castle grounds, so he can both stay and pray without going anywhere.
E) Explain him that you need him here, at the capital.
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Post by: Harry Baldman on January 21, 2018, 04:51:10 pm
Come to think of it, maybe Ustwelf has just recognized the disturbing pattern of the rest of his family dying horribly and wants to get out while there's still time. Or perhaps he just really wants to get out there and meet hot dudes in the convent.
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Post by: birdy51 on January 21, 2018, 05:25:03 pm
It would be far too much of a conflict of interest to have a priest king.
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Post by: milo christiansen on January 21, 2018, 05:28:17 pm
It would be far too much of a conflict of interest to have a priest king.
B
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 05:30:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 21, 2018, 05:38:36 pm
No option to refuse unless he gives us his reasons?
Post by: Criptfeind on January 21, 2018, 05:52:23 pm
He's got a shitty trait anyway.
Although it'd be nice if there was a way to say it not as a threat, but as like "Sure, sounds like a good life decision. But you can't ever be emperor then."
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2018, 06:14:26 pm
B
He's got a shitty trait anyway.
Although it'd be nice if there was a way to say it not as a threat, but as like "Sure, sounds like a good life decision. But you can't ever be emperor then."
Something along the lines of: "The same commitment to freedom of religion that allows us to embrace a Pantheonist son, also forbids us from allowing clergy of any faith into the line of succession."
Not changing my vote tho. I'm still A.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 21, 2018, 06:45:13 pm
Didn't we allow free religion in our empire?
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2018, 07:03:59 pm
Of course, if the succession reaches that point he would be under our control, so not a real problem unless Haspen forces some of those blank 'can't-do-this-one' choices.
(I made my vote of B on the basis of roleplaying Cyl having this philosophical not-shouting-but-never-agreeing-either relationship with his son, not particularly worried about that branch of the future.)
Post by: Baffler on January 21, 2018, 07:19:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 22, 2018, 12:41:55 am
You tell him that you will remove him from the line of succession if he dons the robe. He looks at you, thinks for a moment, and scoffs.
"Hardly a sacrifice."
You don't talk more with him, and he leaves next day, his personal belongings packed on a horse.
1136 AD, Midwinter
Your officers bring news to you; your son Iwald shapes up to be yet another martial talent, having shown skills in leadership and swordfighting already.
Few days, or rather, evenings later, you're walking around the castle, unable to sleep. One moment, you stumble into an unused tower with a pretty decent view through its tiny window.
It's when, in the corner of your eye, you spot a flicker of light. You turn around, but no one's here.
Then, there's the same flicker of light, but up the spiral stairs, leading to the top floor of this supposedly abandoned tower.
A) I better check it out, adventure calls!
B) Gotta alert the guards, it's another assassin for sure!
C) I bet it's some ghost. I need to ask the priests to purify this place!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 22, 2018, 12:42:46 am
C
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 12:52:07 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 22, 2018, 12:59:50 am
you people are LAME
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 01:18:05 am
A
you people are LAME
Fine. I'll change my vote to A. Worst case: We get to play the CHA character.
Post by: Taricus on January 22, 2018, 01:25:15 am
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Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 03:25:37 am
Why do our kids like to run off and commit scandals so much!
Why do our kids like to run off and commit scandals so much!
We should either play aggressively and try to die, or get another wife soon so we can work on making more little troublemakers. At this rate we will outlive Esta's entire brood.
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 09:26:23 am
We can always back out after a closer look, right? Right???
And the incident with the talking bird came out okay, didn't it? Didn't it???
Post by: Criptfeind on January 22, 2018, 09:35:19 am
Or stop sending them into battle even with martial traits...
We need to send SOMEONE into combat with martial traits, otherwise we're going to loose the combats! I think it's great that we can get actual use out of our kids like this.
I'm just sad that Houlandin hasn't got a title yet. He's killed thousands of Lizard riders up north and now killed a prince in a duel.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 22, 2018, 10:04:26 am
Post by: Haspen on January 22, 2018, 11:10:50 am
bbbb
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You follow the light up the stairs.
There it is! A lantern, knocked over on the floor of this balcony. The candle is still lit, its flame pretty normal orange.
Your interest is quickly absorbed, however, by a bird perched on the crenellations. It is a small, black raven. It's beak shines in moon light and its eyes seem to have certain degree of red coloration in them.
Bloody red coloration, in fact.
A) Time to evacuate, now!
B) Ca-caaaw?
C) Shoo the birb away from the lantern.
D) Wait.
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We need a wizard!!!! l.l.l.l.l.l.l.l
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Bird very scary, do not mess with
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...Dad!?!
Post by: Haspen on January 22, 2018, 01:47:48 pm
The birb caws at you in pretty normal birb way.
A) Shoo the birb away from the lantern.
B) Ca-caaaw?
C) Time to evacuate, now!
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The birb descends at your face!
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You won't have a raven trying to peck your eyes out. Indeed, you smack it across its feathered body with the back of your hand. Cawing in most defeated way possible, the raven flies away into the night. Somehow, you have this supreme certainty that it was the prophetic raven you met before.
You seize the lantern with your hands, as if it's your prize. No mythical creature whatsoever will be dictating your future. You're the Emperor! You're the lord of your own destiny!
1136 AD, Late Winter
You get another grandkid; Abis has given birth to another boy. The happy parents named him 'Anwyn'.
From the north, you get news that King Cidric has concluded his campaign against the Agaresians, having routed another attack and having captured two Agaresian princes, forcing them to sign a peace treaty. A messenger arrives soon enough; your Thundercats, except few that were lost in combat, will be returned to you shortly.
From the south, you get news that Lametanians have managed to bring another defeat upon the Imperial landlords and have forced them to negotiations' table. You've received no letter of thanks for the two caravans of supplies you've sent so far, but maybe they're leaving the formalities for after the war?
End of the Year, 1136
Another long year. You drink down a goblet of wine, wishing for a simpler, more peaceful times ahead.
Ah, here comes the Advisor.
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"My liege, I have to report that proclamation of religious equality has been, begrugdingly or not, accepted by your peoples and most important by the heads of various religious orders. It seems that they finally saw no possible way of attaining power under your wise and tolerant policy."
His Scrolls of Kingdom Status are landed on your desk, and he unfolds them...
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 1
Army: 2
Imp.Authority: 0
"Sire, our various expedidentures are seriously draining the Treasury. The Hurthling lands are still being developed, and the Royal Keep is still under construction. The Treasurer advises that we cut funding somewhere, unless we want to gamble on the next year's profits from glassware and metal supplies. At least raising taxes for a year would be a good precaution."
"While our bled-out Army is thinly spread and our economy is suffering, the recent victory against the rebels have kept people's opinions in check. However, your flurry of edicts is putting some strain on the subjects."
As for taxes...
A) Raise them for a year.
B) Nah, no need for that.
As for extra measures to cut spending for next year...
A) Halt the construction of Royal Keep.
B) Cut Army budget.
C) Stop the Hurthling development project.
D) Cut Fireblood Court's budget.
E) We will do fine, no need for desperate decisions!
Finally, the Advisor prepares a batch of clean parchment for you.
"Do you wish to issue an Edict, your Majesty?"
A) Obviously, duh!
B) Next year maybe.
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A
B
Everything appears to be concluded... Time to enter recovery mode.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 22, 2018, 02:54:47 pm
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Post by: Harry Baldman on January 22, 2018, 03:00:41 pm
Let's pass the tax edict to make extra sure we're good.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 22, 2018, 03:05:58 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 03:08:39 pm
AAB
Happiness is high enough and economy low enough to justify raising taxes.
Suspending work on the palace shows solidarity with their plight. (Heh, right.)
We need to regenerate Authority or people will ignore our new tax proclamation.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 22, 2018, 03:13:00 pm
I told you we should've done passage tax instead of the rubber-stamp.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 03:17:38 pm
If we can stay out of war for a few years, we will be fine.
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A
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Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 03:50:48 pm
If we can stay out of war for a few years, we will be fine.
Hmm...
1125 AD, Midwinter
The economical prosperity of Methiant in recent years has spurred traders from near and far to cross their country on their way to Eldrican, Cydwyl, Kashite and Lametania, the stability in the country and safety on the roads surely contributing to that.
I suspect we got a bump in economy back in 1125 from being at peace: there was an extra point and this appears to explain it. The requirements to trigger it seem to be having a decent amount in the treasury and avoiding wars or armed rebellions.
The next year we embarked on campaigns against the Hurthlings and Ceodwell, and the prosperity message didn't come back. My point is, we may not need a de jure tax if we just keep our country running smoothly for a while.
Post by: Haspen on January 22, 2018, 03:54:45 pm
1137 AD, Summer
You are sitting at the private library of your family, up in the main keep. You're about to call it a night and return to your chambers, when you feel something behind your back.
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You turn around, just in time to see a man, armed with a short sword step from behind the curtain! You unsheathe Wolf-Fang just fast enough to block his strikes, although he manages to cut your hand rather badly. Blood drips from the wound
His attempt botched, he attempts to escape!
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The man has fled through the window, despite you raising the alarm. Your guards, however, manage to retrieve some of his things; the sword he has dropped, and a pin of his cloak, adorned with western styles.
The captain of the guard apologizes once again for letting for this situation to happen, while the Spymaster has already agents working on pieceing together the assassin's origins and attempting to discern his employer.
Next evening...
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The healers are alarmed by the bout of fever that attacked you this afternoon. They easily pinpoint the reason behind this as some metal bit of the assassin's sword being lodged in your hand, so they re-open the wound and remove it.
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You make a full recovery from the fever. While your hand needs a bit of healing more, the medics are positive it will be just like new in matter of a week or two.
1137 AD, Midsummer
You receive a royal courier from the north; two letters were written to you, one by King Cidric, and one by your daughter and his wife, Eirika.
Though just as you're about to open the letters, a servant steps up to you and leans down.
"Sire, the Advisor and the Spymaster have something to tell you. They say it's related to the assasination attempt."
You decide to...
A) Read the letters from the north.
B) See what's this urgency about.
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Post by: Arlos on January 22, 2018, 04:38:40 pm
Finally! We caught those Assassins!
Post by: Puppyguard on January 22, 2018, 04:46:01 pm
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Post by: Imic on January 22, 2018, 04:56:12 pm
"We have reason to believe that there's an individual or group, possibly located in the west, who may wish you personal harm sir! We will continue to look into this."I swear, one of these days I'm going to eviscerate the spymaster.
Post by: Haspen on January 22, 2018, 05:03:43 pm
The Spymaster is looking through the window, his hands behind his back in overdramatic posing. The Advisor looks a bit nervous.
"Sire, we've discovered who has sent the latest assassin." The Advisor begins.
"And who that be?" You ask, but the Advisor looks skittish and wary to answer.
"Well??"
"King Daric of Eldrican, your Majesty." The Spymaster steps away from the window.
"This man who tried to kill you recently has been apprehended by my agents and interrogated. For once, we obtained enough information from him. He was sent by the Eldricans, apparently on the orders of your brother-in-law." You sit down, trying to mull it over.
"This man has also shared enough bits of information to let us determine that indeed, the other assassin who tried to have you killed two years ago was also sent by Daric of Eldrican."
"Was... was Esta also killed by his orders?"
"Unfortunately, we have no clues to match it up to Empress' untimely demise. Her assassination will remain a mystery still."
"Damn it all! For what hellish reason would my own family try to get me murdered!?" The Spymaster looks at the Advisor, and the Advisor looks at him, then they both look at you without a word said. Just like you, they have no idea.
You decide to...
A) Write an angry letter to King Daric of Eldrican, demanding explanation, and compensation, for his vile acts of treachery!
B) Keep a lid on this discovery for now, and mayhaps you can use it later.
C) Use this as an pretext to attack Eldrican Kingdom with your glorious Army!
D) Spread the word of Daric's treachery so that his reputation suffers both in his homeland and abroad.
E) Send an assassin of your own. Once, you can forgive, but now it's eye for eye!
Post by: Criptfeind on January 22, 2018, 05:05:44 pm
Honestly... We can't afford it. Double the guards on everything and try to spend a few years recovering. Then we can strike.
Post by: GM_3826 on January 22, 2018, 05:06:10 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 22, 2018, 05:07:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 05:09:53 pm
If we wait, then we're dependent on it coming up in the choices again.
D
I'm fine with E, I suppose, but this could all 50 Moonthread-cloaked agents to spread out and do their thing, whereas an assassin is presumably a one shot deal.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 05:14:38 pm
We will shitstomp him when our army is good and ready. We are free of the prophecy now, and our sons have a blood claim to that fucker's throne.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 22, 2018, 05:20:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 22, 2018, 05:27:26 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 22, 2018, 05:38:52 pm
Let's see how he likes it.
If our army wasn't so low, E. but because it is
B
Post by: helmacon on January 22, 2018, 05:46:19 pm
E is a very bad idea. Our army is 2. This isn't public knowledge. If we fail, that gives him a pretext to invade and look like it's justified.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 05:52:10 pm
Our army is 2. This isn't public knowledge.
I think the state of our army is public knowledge. If I recall correctly, Haspen seemed to imply that the state of our army and treasury played a role in San's descision to launch a rebellion against us. This makes E an even worse idea.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 22, 2018, 05:53:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 22, 2018, 05:53:28 pm
Our army is 2. This isn't public knowledge.
I think the state of our army is public knowledge. If I recall correctly, Haspen seemed to imply that the state of our army and treasury played a role in San's descision to launch a rebellion against us. This makes E an even worse idea.
The assassination is not public knowledge. If we try to assassinate him back and screw it up, he looks like the good guy when he invades, and we don't have the army to stop him.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 05:54:38 pm
Our army is 2. This isn't public knowledge.
I think the state of our army is public knowledge. If I recall correctly, Haspen seemed to imply that the state of our army and treasury played a role in San's descision to launch a rebellion against us. This makes E an even worse idea.
The assassination is not public knowledge. If we try to assassinate him back and screw it up, he looks like the good guy when he invades, and we don't have the army to stop him.
Oh. That is what you mean. D could also give him excuse, albiet not as great a one: "How dare you defame me with your lies! You will pay on the battlefield!"
Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 06:03:09 pm
The same bonus applies to an assassination attempt, I suppose. But I favor D as setting up the future: if we can get the big kingdom with strong guns to break up, each of the pieces will be that much easier to annex later on. (Consider how much we spent on little Eval. The mechanics really do not favor extended invasions.)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 06:04:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 22, 2018, 06:05:09 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 22, 2018, 06:36:12 pm
Where do we get a bonus to espionage? I don't recall that.
We own elf cloaks that our spys use. I don't think I've ever seen that bonus be applied to a roll, but who knows. We don't see many spy rolls.
Post by: Prophet on January 22, 2018, 07:19:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 22, 2018, 07:25:44 pm
We own elf cloaks that our spys use. I don't think I've ever seen that bonus be applied to a roll, but who knows. We don't see many spy rolls.
Search turns up exactly once that the cloaks were used (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7641329#msg7641329).
They gave a very nice +2 bonus.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 22, 2018, 07:54:32 pm
We own elf cloaks that our spys use. I don't think I've ever seen that bonus be applied to a roll, but who knows. We don't see many spy rolls.
Search turns up exactly once that the cloaks were used (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7641329#msg7641329).
They gave a very nice +2 bonus.
The way D is worded, I'm not sure if it is us just starting a rumor among our court, or actually sending out the spies to do that dirtywork for us.
What I do know is that E would get the cloak bonus, so the worst we could possibly roll on the attempt is a 3. I somehow doubt a roll of three is bad enough to drag our ass into a war. I'm changing my vote to E.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 22, 2018, 11:30:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 23, 2018, 12:43:37 am
Only now you notice a certain difference; the letter from Cidric is signed with royal seal of Cydwyl, while the one from Eirika uses a simple wax seal. The one from your daughter is most possibly a personal letter.
A) Family before state affairs!
B) State affairs before family!
Post by: ZBridges on January 23, 2018, 12:51:41 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 23, 2018, 01:16:09 am
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Post by: Weirdsound on January 23, 2018, 03:33:06 am
You decide to keep a lid on this for now, maybe somewhere in the future you can use this to your advantage. You dismiss the Spymaster and the Advisor, and return your attention to the letters.
Only now you notice a certain difference; the letter from Cidric is signed with royal seal of Cydwyl, while the one from Eirika uses a simple wax seal. The one from your sister is most possibly a personal letter.
A) Family before state affairs!
B) State affairs before family!
Since when did our daughter become our sister? Did we secretly shag our mum at some point?
Anyway, A.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 23, 2018, 06:33:21 am
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Post by: omada on January 23, 2018, 09:08:55 am
You decide to keep a lid on this for now, maybe somewhere in the future you can use this to your advantage. You dismiss the Spymaster and the Advisor, and return your attention to the letters.
Only now you notice a certain difference; the letter from Cidric is signed with royal seal of Cydwyl, while the one from Eirika uses a simple wax seal. The one from your sister is most possibly a personal letter.
A) Family before state affairs!
B) State affairs before family!
Since when did our daughter become our sister? Did we secretly shag our mum at some point?
Anyway, A.
Come on Cyl, I know that Segeda had some nice hips but this is too much
Post by: GM_3826 on January 23, 2018, 09:15:26 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 23, 2018, 09:21:36 am
You decide to keep a lid on this for now, maybe somewhere in the future you can use this to your advantage. You dismiss the Spymaster and the Advisor, and return your attention to the letters.
Only now you notice a certain difference; the letter from Cidric is signed with royal seal of Cydwyl, while the one from Eirika uses a simple wax seal. The one from your sister is most possibly a personal letter.
A) Family before state affairs!
B) State affairs before family!
Since when did our daughter become our sister? Did we secretly shag our mum at some point?
Anyway, A.
Come on Cyl, I know that Segeda had some nice hips but this is too much
On a side note, it would be cool to get an update on what the emperor's mother is up to. Is she still alive?
No way in hell we'd get the option, but I have half a mind to try and rope her back into the game as an ally at some point. She was very persistent in sticking up for young Cyl, and since she hasn't once tried to manipulate or ask favors of us since we took the throne, I'd say it is safe to assume this is because she actually cared about us and not for some selfish reason.
Post by: Iituem on January 23, 2018, 10:11:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 23, 2018, 11:01:03 am
Post by: Baffler on January 23, 2018, 11:03:06 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 23, 2018, 11:25:27 am
fuck Segeda.
Said every man in Yoe II's court! Ayooooooooo!
But seriously, the majority of her agenda was sticking up for the kid who would go on to become the greatest character we would ever control. I was not team Cyl during the civil war, and I hated Segeda big time back then, but I think fictional history has thoroughly vindicated her.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 23, 2018, 12:54:32 pm
My recollection is that Queen Auga's death was announced. Segeda is probably still alive, though after Cyl rebuked her by marrying Esta she seems to have retired to some estate to sulk.
I was not team Cyl during the civil war, and I hated Segeda big time back then, but I think fictional history has thoroughly vindicated her.
I was team Cyl during the civil war, and I hated Segeda big time back then. :P Yes, she did stand up for Cyl's interests—which were inherently aligned to her own fortunes, whatever you like to think—and possibly would again; but to what bit of politics or diplomacy should we entrust her (in-)famously sharp tongue when we have a charismatic son to use?
A
Post by: Weirdsound on January 23, 2018, 01:16:47 pm
Well, she did want to void the marriage that secured Elran's friendship while he lived and gave us all these great kids.
My recollection is that Queen Auga's death was announced. Segeda is probably still alive, though after Cyl rebuked her by marrying Esta she seems to have retired to some estate to sulk.I was not team Cyl during the civil war, and I hated Segeda big time back then, but I think fictional history has thoroughly vindicated her.
I was team Cyl during the civil war, and I hated Segeda big time back then. :P Yes, she did stand up for Cyl's interests—which were inherently aligned to her own fortunes, whatever you like to think—and possibly would again; but to what bit of politics or diplomacy should we entrust her (in-)famously sharp tongue when we have a charismatic son to use?
A
I'm not 100% sure I'd trust our charismatic son not to fall apart on a long-term diplomatic assignment. He has caused us more issues than any of his brothers, and now has a drug history to boot. Even if Leath is trusted, we have a bunch of neighbors it might be worth sending ambassadors to.
Honestly, we know Cidric is kinda dumb. We also know he kinda likes us. We can deduce that somebody in his court has an Anti-Methiant streak and talked him into giving us back the money we gave him. If these letters reveal our son-in-law (or worse our daughter) is being nagged or bullied to act against our interests, I fully support sending in the mother to nag and bully them in the other direction.
Alternatively, next time the peasants get uppity, we could wheel her out to lecture them into submission. Either she solves the problem, or all of us get the cathartic release of hearing how an angry mob has torn Segeda to bits! Win-win!
Well, she did want to void the marriage that secured Elran's friendship while he lived and gave us all these great kids.
I agree that the marriage did us far more good than harm, but clearly she wasn't completely misguided in not wanting to get too tied up in Elran's family.
Post by: Haspen on January 23, 2018, 01:55:40 pm
In the letter, Eirika complains about her life at Cidric's court. She has all the pleasures she could ask for, of course, but Cidric isn't exactly a perfect husband. He prefers to go hunting, fighting with squires and drinking with his uncles rather than help with kids or spend time with Eirika. Cidric at least doesn't keep his eyes at other ladies and buys Eirika expensive gifts from time to time, but still she wished you've found her a more attentive husband.
In second part of her letter she complains about Cidric's uncles. They're the most nosy, rude and otherwise ratty people she has ever met. And what's worse, Cidric even seems to be in their clutches, if not willingly, then at least unknowingly. Everything they say or even suggest, her husband takes as best idea and tries to implement. She believes that Cidric's uncles might've had history with meddling with Cydwyl court as far as during Talon's short and rather unspectacular reign, as she found out from lower ranking courtiers that he was quite complacent and relies on his brothers to do governing around most of the time (except economical matters, as he kept a constant check on the pulse there).
Eirika concludes her letter with a hope that you can persuade Cidric to, as she puts it, 'man up and sober up', or at least one of these things.
A) Well a court life is never a perfect life, she should get used to it!
B) Hmm, how about I arrange a visit to Cydwyl capital?
C) Time to send my son-in-law a verbose and honest letter with some tips on governing.
Post by: Imic on January 23, 2018, 01:57:21 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 23, 2018, 01:57:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 23, 2018, 01:58:26 pm
Hmmm...
Stop hmmm'ing and vote already, and if you have nothing to vote for, remain silent ;V
Post by: crazyabe on January 23, 2018, 01:59:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 23, 2018, 02:03:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 23, 2018, 02:05:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 23, 2018, 02:24:38 pm
Post by: omada on January 23, 2018, 03:02:38 pm
I'd go with B, but I'd prefer to do D: read the other letter first.This
Post by: milo christiansen on January 23, 2018, 03:04:57 pm
I'd go with B, but I'd prefer to do D: read the other letter first.
I'll third that.
Post by: Haspen on January 23, 2018, 03:12:36 pm
Then you read Cidric's letter.
In it he praises you for the help your Army has given his nation, and he promises to repay in kind whenever your Empire gets attacked or otherwise threatened.
However, he has another request to make and that is of money. He has heard that your silver mines are highly profitable and their yearly output would help greatly in invigorating Cydwyl's treasury. He writes that he can't take a loan, but he would repay you somehow in the future.
A) Sure thing, gotta help family after all!
B) Sorry, I don't run a charity here.
C) But I can offer a very good interest rates!
D) I can give half of yearly silver, but not more.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 23, 2018, 03:15:49 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 23, 2018, 03:18:44 pm
Post by: GM_3826 on January 23, 2018, 03:20:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 23, 2018, 03:28:06 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 23, 2018, 04:01:09 pm
We're not coughing up things for free.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 23, 2018, 04:07:56 pm
Or C I guess.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 23, 2018, 04:19:42 pm
E, we were actually going to come visit you and our daughter, so lets talk about it then.
Or C I guess.
^This. Even if we had money to lend, it would be pointless until we deal with the corrupt uncles.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 23, 2018, 04:49:22 pm
Honestly, we know Cidric is kinda dumb. We also know he kinda likes us. We can deduce that somebody in his court has an Anti-Methiant streak and talked him into giving us back the money we gave him. If these letters reveal our son-in-law (or worse our daughter) is being nagged or bullied to act against our interests, I fully support sending in the mother to nag and bully them in the other direction.
Called it. Hopefully our longterm solution once we visit is to leave somebody (perhaps a brother or great grandmother of the queen) behind with the stated intention of keeping Eirika company and helping her with her kids and the unstated intention of helping to keep tabs on the King's uncles.
For now, I'll vote for Kashyyk's E if I am allowed to. Otherwise C.
Post by: GM_3826 on January 23, 2018, 08:26:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 23, 2018, 08:35:57 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 23, 2018, 09:07:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 24, 2018, 12:12:56 pm
1137 AD, Late Summer
A reply from Cidric arrives. In the letter he offers to take the two years of Methiantese silver and then pay it off in certain rates in a seven year period. You hand the mathematics for Treasurer to figure out, and after a while he scoffs.
"In seven years at this rates we will have negligible amount of profits from the loan, sire. Whoever advised King Cidric this repayment plan was either imbecile or a scrooge."
A) "Then there shall be no loan, and no deal!"
B) "Well, as long as we're not in the red by the end of it!"
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 24, 2018, 12:14:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2018, 12:15:50 pm
We also can't afford to piss him off before we visit. Even better: If he can't pay up, we can demand other favors from him.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 24, 2018, 12:18:38 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 24, 2018, 01:14:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 24, 2018, 01:30:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 24, 2018, 01:31:43 pm
1137 AD, Autumn
A delegation of Felonsine noblemen has arrived at your court today.
"Most blessed Emperor, we have heard that the Empire has financial trouble, and we offer some of our own funds to strengthen the economy of our glorious nation. In return, we ask for but a simple favor, that when the times will be more favorable, say in five or so years, that you sponsor renovation of old and construction of new Pantheonist shrines in our homeland."
A) "Sure, you've got a deal.."
B) "Not kinda my thing, really."
Post by: milo christiansen on January 24, 2018, 01:33:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2018, 01:41:04 pm
Felonsine is our Western Borderlands, right? In five or so years, we might be able to repay those nobles with lands taken from our murderous brother-in-law instead.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 24, 2018, 01:43:22 pm
A, I guess.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 24, 2018, 01:56:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2018, 01:57:33 pm
It'll be five years just to regrow our army if we expect to hold anything.
I don't think our last yearly report counted the troops we had up north helping Cidric. We will know for sure when we get the scrolls in a few months, but I don't think our military situation is quite as bad as it appears.
Post by: ZBridges on January 24, 2018, 03:15:02 pm
Post by: omada on January 24, 2018, 04:55:24 pm
we just need to see what the fuck is going on on Cydwyl, what are their resources input and output
Post by: Baffler on January 24, 2018, 08:40:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 25, 2018, 12:15:42 pm
1137 AD, Winter
Gold, gemstones and silver arrive the Treasury; the latter is sent to King Cidric ahead of you.
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6, 5to6
Metals bring in larger profits than usually, and glassware finally recovers both in therms of money made and enthusiasm of its buyers. People praise your name as your officials pour in coinage from the sales into the Treasury.
And a week later, you arrive at the castle of King Cidric. Your family, citing various things to do, decided not to go.
You greet your daughter and congratulate her, seeing her swollen belly, heavy with a child (or maybe its twins again!) made by Cidric. The youth (well okay, he ain't young anymore) at least visits her bedchambers sometimes.
Before you have a chance to talk with Cidric or even enter the feasting hall, two of his uncles, Urwald and Stjolf bring before two girls, of similar beauty but different faces. Both of these maidens cannot be more than fifteen years old.
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl! We wish to make an offer, to bring the house of Dogethe closer to the house of Yoe." Urwald pushes the taller, flax-haired girl forward, and you can't shake the feeling that she is oggling you.
"This is Ustvana, and she has been talking about marrying your son Iwald and giving him sons and heirs!" Stjolf pushes the shorter, red-haired and definitely uneasy-looking girl forward.
"And this is my only child, Estrid. Heiress to my manor, she would make a perfect match for your son Houlandin!" The men heap praise upon your efforts, their hands on the shoulders of the girls, not letting them stray away for even an inch.
You decide to...
A) Agree to have Estrid marry Houlandin.
B) Agree to have Ustvana marry Iwald.
C) Accept both marriage proposals.
D) Politely refuse both offers.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 25, 2018, 12:26:16 pm
While it would be funny to take advantage of them not knowing we excluded Ustwelf from the royal succession and that he might be a priest now, let's just be honest here.
Post by: Haspen on January 25, 2018, 12:30:19 pm
Imma fix.
EDIT: And fixed.
Post by: crazyabe on January 25, 2018, 12:47:34 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 25, 2018, 12:58:31 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 25, 2018, 12:58:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 25, 2018, 01:00:22 pm
these are the corrupt uncles, remember?
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2018, 01:05:49 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 25, 2018, 01:11:24 pm
these are the corrupt uncles, remember?
I know, and I think they are trying to "buy us off" so to speak, keep us from meddling with "their" toy kingdom. I think we should say yes so we have more binds to the kingdom so we have multiple credible claims if they don't stop screwing around.
Also, I think we should hint at that very motive when we accept. Let them know fun time is over, and it is time to get serious. Either stop trying to influence the king, or stop being idiots about it.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 25, 2018, 02:36:03 pm
these are the corrupt uncles, remember?
I know, and I think they are trying to "buy us off" so to speak, keep us from meddling with "their" toy kingdom. I think we should say yes so we have more binds to the kingdom so we have multiple credible claims if they don't stop screwing around.
Also, I think we should hint at that very motive when we accept. Let them know fun time is over, and it is time to get serious. Either stop trying to influence the king, or stop being idiots about it.
I like this logic, but lets keep one son free to play marriage politics with somebody else later. Houlandin gave Cydwyl his eye, its only fair that Cydwyl give Houlandin something back. A
Post by: Haspen on January 25, 2018, 02:48:47 pm
Then it is feast time! Your'e absolutely not surprised when you see Cidric indulge in alcohol goblet after goblet. Eirika is sitting at his side, drinking her ale at lesser pace.
After a while, Cidric sates his thirst and you finally have a moment to talk with him. What you want to talk about??
A) Queen Eirika!
B) Those bloody Agaresians!
C) Cydwyllian Economy!
D) His supportive uncles!
E) His drinking habits!
Post by: milo christiansen on January 25, 2018, 02:49:51 pm
Darn, too slow. Oh well it didn't matter anyway.
D
Post by: Weirdsound on January 25, 2018, 02:57:14 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 25, 2018, 03:06:58 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2018, 03:33:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 25, 2018, 03:41:50 pm
It was bad enough he was too busy swilling to talk to us at the "occasional" feast; now we have the testimony of Eirika's letter thay he seems to be equally fond of hunting trips and other "manly man" diversions, to the point where he's not running his own kingdom and others are screwing with it. (Houlandin wrote of similar concerns when he was up here, too.)
If only there were a way to convince him to simply put in more work hours. A well-run kingdom requires the monarch to oversee the details and make decisions – at least once a month! :P
D
I only hope it won't go too badly if he gets defensive about his family.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 25, 2018, 03:49:39 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 25, 2018, 03:53:28 pm
D!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 25, 2018, 03:56:57 pm
Didn't we get a C-majority and thus would have accepted both proposals? As it is we've got a Frankensteined version of both?I see two As, two Cs, and two Ds, actually, with another C struck out. I would've broken the tie for A, though, so I'm fine with this.
I also see no Frankensteining?
Post by: Haspen on January 25, 2018, 04:14:02 pm
E) His drinking habits?
;vc
Added!
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 25, 2018, 04:35:46 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 25, 2018, 04:36:34 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2018, 04:39:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 25, 2018, 05:48:09 pm
By all accounts he's a good guy whose heart is in the right place, we just need him to exercise more authority.
For all that it was my idea, I'll save it for a second try; sticking with D for now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 25, 2018, 05:55:18 pm
I see two As, two Cs, and two Ds, actually, with another C struck out. I would've broken the tie for A, though, so I'm fine with this.
I also see no Frankensteining?
Here:
You decide to let Estvana marry Houlandin. It's about time your grumpy, battle-baptised and rough dude of a son got a sweetheart at his side. You mention to the uncles that you hope this marriage will set Cidric's kingdom to future glory.
There's one marriage instead of 2 and the name looks to be Estrid and Ustvana stuck together (Estrid, it should be noted, is the one notionally marrying Houlandin).
Post by: Criptfeind on January 25, 2018, 07:43:24 pm
Post by: omada on January 25, 2018, 09:45:04 pm
Here:You decide to let Estvana marry Houlandin. It's about time your grumpy, battle-baptised and rough dude of a son got a sweetheart at his side. You mention to the uncles that you hope this marriage will set Cidric's kingdom to future glory.
There's one marriage instead of 2 and the name looks to be Estrid and Ustvana stuck together (Estrid, it should be noted, is the one notionally marrying Houlandin).
God damn, we were banging our mother now we are marrying Garnet with our son
Post by: Imic on January 26, 2018, 04:07:43 pm
Post by: Iituem on January 26, 2018, 09:35:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 26, 2018, 09:36:11 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 27, 2018, 07:00:05 am
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You deliver him such a scathing, sobering and armor-piercing whisper that, for once, Cidric puts the goblet away in disgust.
"And what do you think am I supposed to do?" He whispers back. "They fund my army out of their pockets. They conclude favorable treaties because I'm not able. They arrange marriages that I learn about only afterwards. Only thing I'm good at is fighting, and even then they provide more supplies and recruits than I could ever field. Besides, they're a family. Whom am I to become, a kinslayer maybe?"
A) "Start a purge across Cydwyl, and my armies and my sons will help you regain true power!"
B) "Become my vassal, this way you and your country will be safe from threats internal and external!"
C) "Did you know, I happen to have very sneaky spies that could arrange several... 'accidents'."
D) "And I married my daughter to a wimp like you? Truly, your uncles would do better on Cydwyllian throne."
E) "Make up some charges and imprison a few of them, that will make others think!"
F) "You can do nothing but wait, for now."
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2018, 07:12:42 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 27, 2018, 09:32:39 am
I'll vote C I guess.
Maybe we could send Leath up on a visit to his sister to help Cidric consolidate his power in the vacuum that would be left.
Okay, with the new option in, I purpose this. We've got a potentially unfriendly neighbor to the west, but other then that we're basically fine. I think we wait for 2, maybe 3 years to let us recover from these draining series of wars, then come in and help him clean house.
So I vote F
Post by: Taricus on January 27, 2018, 09:53:16 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 27, 2018, 10:19:01 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 27, 2018, 10:21:31 am
E
Our excellent accountants (or spies) could find plenty of real (or "real") evidence of corruption, some of it possibly for capital crimes.
Emphasize that he's not alone in the effort to reform the government.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 27, 2018, 10:22:32 am
You're afraid of being called a kinslayer? Let us tell you about our uncle. And our brother.
And our sons if we're too be honest :P
Post by: omada on January 27, 2018, 10:39:29 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 27, 2018, 01:49:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 27, 2018, 01:59:57 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 27, 2018, 03:38:39 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 27, 2018, 03:39:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 27, 2018, 05:27:43 pm
cc
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fff
Nyeh, untie this ;V
Post by: ZBridges on January 27, 2018, 05:44:20 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 27, 2018, 06:09:27 pm
Making up some charges will make the others plot evilly.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 27, 2018, 06:12:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 27, 2018, 06:13:09 pm
You tell him that best course of action would be to make up some charges and arrest one or two least influential of his uncles, just to make them think.
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He mulls over the idea, takes a gulp from his goblet, and nods.
"Uncle Irvid has been doing some business dealings with the Albionese lately..." He mumbles and then returns to feasting.
In the morning, there's still time to do something, so you decide to...
A) Question Cidric's courtiers a little.
B) Spend time with your beloved daughter, Eirika.
C) Try to have some more diplomacy with Cidric himself.
Post by: crazyabe on January 27, 2018, 06:16:01 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 27, 2018, 06:20:18 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 27, 2018, 06:22:03 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 27, 2018, 06:25:20 pm
Post by: Arlos on January 27, 2018, 06:35:15 pm
We did come for her afterall :/
Post by: Baffler on January 27, 2018, 06:36:12 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2018, 06:38:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 27, 2018, 06:44:12 pm
You have a pleasant chit-chat with her. By the end of it, she voices her worries.
"I really hope you will continue to support Cidric, father. He is a good boy, even if a little air-headed. I wish those uncles of his could just disappear. They kept the Cydwyl Kingdom afloat for many years, but lately they're more and more of a nuisance, if you ask me..."
A) "Don't worry, they will disappear, and soon. You can count on me for that."
B) "I'm sure Cidric will set out to curb his uncles' power somehow."
C) "Maybe you should get chummy with those uncles, try to lure them into lowering their guard?"
D) "Can't promise anything, my dear."
Post by: Arlos on January 27, 2018, 06:48:56 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 27, 2018, 06:53:07 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 27, 2018, 06:55:26 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 27, 2018, 06:56:23 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 27, 2018, 06:58:39 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 27, 2018, 06:59:00 pm
We have no idea who is listening in here.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 27, 2018, 07:00:23 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2018, 07:00:51 pm
Im gonna go with B though, for the reasons above.
Post by: birdy51 on January 27, 2018, 07:03:42 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 27, 2018, 07:20:14 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 27, 2018, 07:43:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 27, 2018, 07:49:03 pm
B, telling her to have faith her husband knows what he is doing seems better then promising something we cant really control.
I vote B as well, but we could control A if we wanted. We can send assassins with super elf cloaks.
Post by: Prophet on January 27, 2018, 08:07:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 27, 2018, 09:23:34 pm
A rrange an actual disappearance. He went to bed one night and couldn't be found next morning. Cidric himself directs an investigation and turns up no clues, as if by elven magic. Strange how it happened right after Cidric jailed Uncle Ivald. Do you think some secret scandal came up? Nah, couldn't be...
Post by: birdy51 on January 27, 2018, 09:54:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 03:40:17 am
She then decides to question you a bit and you tell her about her siblings, especially about Iwald whom you've heard before leaving that he shapes to be quite a wise theologician and he isn't bad either with herbalism and geology and numbers. You also talk about Houlandin, and after a moment Eirika claps her hands and runs off, certainly having remembered something.
Your daughter brings you a small box.
"I almost forgot. Can I ask you to give Houlandin this? I made it myself."
You open the box and pull out a string inside, before you notice what it is - an eyepatch. A sturdy, adjustable eyepatch, the leather strap is trimmed with black ermine fur, with the patch itself embroidered with silver thread at the edges and a small emblem of Methiant sewn in the middle, out of emerald and golden threads.
You kiss your daughter on forehead and praise her knitting skills, and decide to...
A) Promise her that you will deliver this exquisite eyepatch to Houlandin for her.
B) Tell her that you cannot give Houlandin this eyepatch, as it might hurt his feelings.
Post by: ZBridges on January 28, 2018, 03:41:20 am
The first post in the thread says that Iwald is martial. Is that intentional? He's both martial and wise?
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 04:06:22 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 28, 2018, 04:32:05 am
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 07:31:56 am
Few goodbyes later you're on the road home, surrounded by guards both yours and those dispatched bt Cidric, to accompany you to the border.
Less than a week later, you give Houlandin the eyepatch. After examining it, he scoffs, mumbles something and takes the gift with himself. At the mention that you arranged him a wife, he looks neither angry nor pleased. He takes it as, well, it's something he has to do.
1137 AD, End of the Year
The winter has been most peaceful, and you wonder how the numbers are doing. You will learn the answer shortly - the Advisor has just entered your chambers, the ever-correct Scrolls of Kingdom Status laid before your eyes for the n-th time during your reign.
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 6
Army: 3
Imp.Authority: 0
Those are much better numbers.
"Thanks to your wise choices, and extra money that cam to our Treasury, we're much better this year, sire." Therefore, you decide to lower the taxes.
"Your subjects are a little bit concerned about your ability to defend the Empire, sire. While it's just matter of time till our Army recovers, it seems that your Authority isn't what it was two years ago."
He takes some parchments out of his robes.
"Do you wish to issue an Edict this year, Emperor?"
A) "But of course."
B) "Ask me next year."
Post by: Arlos on January 28, 2018, 07:51:59 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 08:15:56 am
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 08:59:06 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 28, 2018, 10:34:45 am
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 11:35:45 am
1138 AD, Spring
Shortly after turning of the year, you're approached by the Spymaster.
He has found and compiled an interesting bunch of documents; a census report from 1056, a biographical note on Daen the warrior-philsopher, and pages from a journal of one of co-conspirators of Yoe I. A thorough read gives a thrilling conclusion: Your grandfather was born on the same night on which Daen has passed away!
You could make a divine connection between the two for purposes most divine (and propagandist), you just need to have some people write about this.
You decide to...
A) Have your scribes write a story of divine significance, connecting Yoe to Daen in most mystical of ways.
B) Stash the papers somewhere safe, maybe we can use them in the future somehow.
C) Burn the papers, so that nobody can accuse you of Alldivine favoritism.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 28, 2018, 11:46:06 am
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 11:48:26 am
Post by: Iituem on January 28, 2018, 11:52:36 am
Post by: Arlos on January 28, 2018, 12:10:32 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 28, 2018, 12:11:02 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 28, 2018, 12:31:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 28, 2018, 01:40:38 pm
We are going to be rebuilding panthiest temples when we pay the loan back, so maybe an alldivine dirty would be balanced a bit.
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 02:12:29 pm
1138 AD, Mid-Spring
You receive a letter from the north; Eirika gave birth! The little girly, Cidric's daughter, has been named 'Odiana'.
Few days later rumors reach your ears; two of Cidric's uncles has been jailed for theft of royal property and dealings with Agaresian traders. This has caused some uproar, but mostly amongst nobility, because most of Cidric's subjects were either welcoming or indifferent to the news.
1138 AD, Summer
News come from the west; apparently, after decades of peace, the Tirines has been raided by some horse nomads. They managed to burn down few villages before they were utterly crushed by combined Tirine-Eldrican force.
Also, your managers from Tiftit finally bring great news in a letter.
They have managed to sort out various problems with hurthlings and have adapted their valley for growing of various cereals, predominantly barley and rye. The Hurthlings were eager to get back to their agricultural roots, and soon Tiftit Valley will be a grand breadbasket of Methiant!
1138 AD, Midsummer
A disaster strikes your family; young Yoe, your grandson by Leath and Abis, has fallen ill with the dreaded swamp fever.
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The young boy fights the best and healers prolong his life for almost a week, but finally, exhausted and in pain, your grandson expires.
Leath in particular is shocked; after all, there has been no sickness in royal family for over thirty years, since Sorceress Xaviera Roarecho blessed your family with health and prosperity. Was there a time limit she has not mentioned to your relatives, or mayhaps the reach of the spell is finite?
No matter. The existential dread and fear of disease again creeps into hearts of Yoe's descendants.
1138 AD, Autumn
"Alldivine choirs?" Houlandin crosses his arms on his chest.
"Yes, father. A musical bunch. They chant praises for Alldivines, sometimes for hours. In fact, local Cloisters are looking for a small building with good sound where they could perform for mass audience."
"And? Did they approach you for support?"
"They did." Houlandin nods. "I want to help our brothers in faith, father. I wish to ask you to sponsor construction of closed amphitheatre, a half-circular building of sorts, here in the capital, purely for Alldivine choralists."
A) "Absolutely not, it will be seen as favoritism toward Alldivine faith."
B) "Well, alright. Who knows, maybe I will attend some choral performances myself."
C) "Do they offer anything in return or do they just want some freebies?"
Post by: Puppyguard on January 28, 2018, 02:19:19 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 02:21:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 02:23:57 pm
"Father, they ask for donations. Of course they won't give anything in return, except maybe praise toward your name, our dynasty, the office of Emperor...?"
A) "Then it's fine, I will sponsor construction of their music hall."
B) "Then it's a no, I won't spend money on such trifle projects!"
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 02:27:58 pm
Eh, although we're officially neutral, that doesn't mean we don't support the various religions with donations every once in again.
Post by: crazyabe on January 28, 2018, 02:28:37 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 28, 2018, 02:38:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 28, 2018, 02:49:11 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 03:19:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 03:29:56 pm
1138 AD, Mid-Autumn
Once again you become a grandfather. This time Abis, wife of Leath, has borne him a daughter. They've named her 'Irsa', apparently after one of Abis' aunts from Parsia.
1138 AD, Winter
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Metals and glassware bring some profits, which arrive in the Treasury along with silver, gold and gemstones.
Few days later, a governor from the east sends you a letter.
His workers, while digging up some clay near the ruins of
He asks for guidance, and you decide to...
A) Have the dwarves informed that there's some bones they have to move, and quickly.
B) Have the tomb purified then looted, that will show those bearded bastards!
C) Have the tomb purified just in case, and leave it be.
D) Quickly order covering the tomb with ample amount of soil and have the local clayworks relocated.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 03:34:09 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 28, 2018, 03:35:55 pm
Indeed.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 03:46:29 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 28, 2018, 03:50:59 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 03:52:12 pm
Have the tomb purified then looted
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 03:54:07 pm
B
Post by: Prophet on January 28, 2018, 04:04:20 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 28, 2018, 04:11:45 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on January 28, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
I've not cooled off over the dwarves' betrayal. Neither do I want them angry again just now. I also fear curses somewhat and traps more.
Wolf-Fang is a dwarf-made artifact, although it doesn't seem to have quite the same value; nor does it excuse their behavior.
It was a 3, by All the Divine! I can understand them walking out, but an act of terrorism? When we were trying to help?
B
The elves promised our tunic would protect against Dwarf curses. Let us put that to the test.
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 04:34:24 pm
1138 AD, Midwinter
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Lots of wealth was unearthed from the tomb, according to the governor's report. Plethora of golden and silver coins, plus jewels and jewellery. Several weapons and articles of spidersilk clothing, all of highest quality and heavily decorated, were found, alas examination has shown to traces of magics in them. Purely ceremonial stuff, and with quite few buyers amongst nobility and traders dealing in precious items!
All in all, your Treasury got as much money as you usually get from silver, gemstones and metal mines combined.
Few days later, Estrid finally arrives from Cydwyl, a letter of apology and her belongings at her, along with servants and gifts for Houlandin. The duo marries in a small ceremony.
1138 AD, End of the Year
They year came and went, quite peacefully in fact.
Of course, that means that the Advisor is going to visit you soon - oh look, he's right there!
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 10!
Army: 4
Imp.Authority: 0
"The Treasury is filled with riches beyond measure, your Majesty! It's splendid time to spend these riches on something either lovely, or grand, or mayhaps both!"
A) Commission some grandiose statue to reflect your glory and majesty as Emperor of Methiant.
B) Sponsor some glorious celeberations to appease peasants and nobles alike.
C) Refurbish, renovate and repair the royal Palace.
D) Send some gifts to one of our neighbours to strengthen relations.
E) -
F) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
G) Raise the funding of the Army even higher, so it becomes even grandier and larger than before.
"Also, per your orders, I'm asking - do you wish to issue an Edict this year?"
A) "Yeah!"
B) "Ehh, no."
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 04:36:40 pm
B Authority is still 0, unless anyone thinks we can raise authority with an edict? /s
Post by: Arlos on January 28, 2018, 04:38:34 pm
B
Did we resume the construction of the Imperial palace?
Edit: also, those low rolls worry me that we got a curse :/
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 04:39:08 pm
B
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 04:55:43 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 28, 2018, 04:55:53 pm
B
Authority is too low and we need soldiers.
Post by: Prophet on January 28, 2018, 05:06:07 pm
B
Yeah the situation that spawned with the Eval War really showed us that even with our grand and professional army we can still be overwhelmed.
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 05:16:16 pm
No edicts this year either.
1139 AD, Spring
Even as you read the report, the court is in state of panic. Dwarves of Ankurvat and Zonalath have crossed your border and begun attacking your settlements and killing your subjects! Their armies number approximately ten thousand, and amongst them are some lizard riders (at least a fifth of the whole), along with few strange triangular machines decorated with purple crystals, drawn by stout furry quadrupeds with tusks and trunks.
Citing 'the worst of sacriledges possible' and 'to avenge the memory of Zasitost' as reasons behind the attack, the dwarves are here to teach you a lesson - a painful and bloody one, if the few captives at the border are to be believed.
War council gathers immediately and several topics are pursued.
As for the dwarven invasion itself...
A) Our Army will face and destroy them in battle!
B) We must negotiate, mayhaps bloodshed can be avoided.
As for potential emergency mobilization...
A) Duh, where else will we get fresh mea- I mean soldiers?
B) No need to upset our people with this!
As for reinforcements from the outside...
A) Time to call in favors with our allies, the Cydwyl!
B) Let's keep it between us and the dwarves, for now.
C) Maybe ask Lametanians for help this time?
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 05:19:09 pm
A,B,B
Let's keep the allies and emergency reserves... in reserve. For now.
Post by: Haspen on January 28, 2018, 05:20:43 pm
EDIT: Also I just noticed that it was pointed out that Iwald apparently got martial and wise traits - that was a fuck up on my part, ignore the 'second', Iwald is purely martial.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 05:20:56 pm
A
A
Post by: Puppyguard on January 28, 2018, 05:22:28 pm
I highly doubt they'd negotiate with us.
Post by: ZBridges on January 28, 2018, 05:27:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 28, 2018, 05:28:14 pm
A
A
Gosh darn it Dwarves! Also aren't we in an alliance with Lametania? Can we get them involved somehow?
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 28, 2018, 05:39:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 28, 2018, 05:40:53 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 28, 2018, 06:24:39 pm
A
A
A
Post by: mightymushroom on January 28, 2018, 06:30:01 pm
A A C
Lametania owes us a favor from aid vs. the Damdamians that they haven't acknowledged yet.
Given Cidric's complaints, he might be susceptible to dwarven bribery as means of acquiring independent moneys.
Post by: Taricus on January 28, 2018, 06:33:48 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 28, 2018, 06:37:23 pm
A,A,C Last I knew the Lametanians were a bunch of racist pricks against anything non-human. Maybe we'll be able to rope them in easily to crusade against the dwarves.That was the Damdamians. :P
They might actually be willing to help if we were willing to call them. At, I'm sure, a cost.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 06:41:57 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 28, 2018, 06:45:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2018, 06:56:50 pm
AAA
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 28, 2018, 07:43:33 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 28, 2018, 07:44:42 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 28, 2018, 07:47:04 pm
Because we hate their stubby little asses?
Sure but our military is low!
Post by: fireground42 on January 28, 2018, 09:13:57 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 28, 2018, 09:43:03 pm
Why did we piss off the dwarves :(In retaliation for them destroying the weather-scepter-thing we had, was the logic I think
Post by: Criptfeind on January 28, 2018, 09:45:08 pm
Post by: Culise on January 28, 2018, 10:05:03 pm
And they destroyed it because we weren't willing to pay them off after they accused our people of raiding them. We tried to talk our way out and flubbed the roll. As far as they were concerned, apparently, the sceptre was more of a (really expensive) rental than a purchase, which obviously didn't fly well.Why did we piss off the dwarves :(In retaliation for them destroying the weather-scepter-thing we had, was the logic I thinkWhich promptly led us to a disastrous multi-front war and left us on the brink of ruin for a good while
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2018, 01:38:03 am
Post by: melkor on January 29, 2018, 03:42:03 am
Post by: Haspen on January 29, 2018, 01:25:46 pm
aab aab
aac aac aac
abb
You decide to fight for Methiant's safety, calling up emergency mobilization as well as sending a dispatch to the Cydwyl Kingdom.
The Marshal salutes you.
"Sire, will you defend the Empire yourself?"
A) "VERILYYYYY!"
B) "No, but my skilled son Houlandin shall lead you!"
C) "No, but it's prime opportunity for Iwald to gain experience!"
D) "My trust lies in skills of your subordinates, good Marshal!"
Post by: melkor on January 29, 2018, 01:30:53 pm
or E all 3 of them will go
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 29, 2018, 01:31:02 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 29, 2018, 01:35:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 29, 2018, 01:40:47 pm
C I think he needs to blooden his teeth, but I'd also vote B if that's winning.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 29, 2018, 01:44:58 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 29, 2018, 02:03:08 pm
Post by: omada on January 29, 2018, 02:26:13 pm
we join the war if we need to invade them to force them into negotiation tables
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2018, 02:27:49 pm
Post by: Imic on January 29, 2018, 02:30:31 pm
c, We are "the conqueror" not "the defender"Don't give Haspen ideas.
we join the war if we need to invade them to force them into negotiation tables
Post by: Haspen on January 29, 2018, 03:05:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 29, 2018, 03:57:52 pm
B
Houlandin, and lend him the anti-dwarfmagic Tunic.
Seriously. Whatever those crystal pyramids are, I think our battle commander could use some anti-dwarfmagic.
(If he wins this one I say we use an Edict to make him next in line.)
(But C is okay, too.)
Post by: ZBridges on January 29, 2018, 04:04:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2018, 04:05:15 pm
I do like E Everyone. Or at least both kids.
B
Houlandin, and lend him the anti-dwarfmagic Tunic.
Seriously. Whatever those crystal pyramids are, I think our battle commander could use some anti-dwarfmagic.
(If he wins this one I say we use an Edict to make him next in line.)
(But C is okay, too.)
I like this logic, and would have voted for B if A wasn't such a terrible idea and C had the best chance of beating it.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 29, 2018, 04:06:44 pm
Post by: Baffler on January 29, 2018, 04:07:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 29, 2018, 04:32:14 pm
b
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You promote Iwald as the member of royal family to send the forces with. He is young, but his innate skill will help. You give him Lakemetal Tunic to ward off any potential dwarven witchcraft.
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A week later you receive first news; the main body of dwarven force from Ankurvat has met with Methiant Army. It was a mighty battle, and despite the fact that the Dwarves had quite a few, quite frightening, tricks up their sleeves, the battle ended in minor victory for Iwald and at least two thousands of casualties on both sides.
The mysterious devices, whilst none destroyed or captured, are now known to your soldiers; apparently, some wicked dwarven magic fuels the pyramids, which then fire off a bolt of purple energy upon enemy Army; shortly afterwards, powerful but localized tremors rend up the earth, knocking people up and swallowing those who had the unfortunate distinction of falling down. Your officers are pretty sure that any Methiantese castle currently standing would turn to cheese after just few attacks of these fearsome magical siege engines, even if it seems that those tremor machines require up to several minutes to power and/or 'reload'.
The dwarven lizard cavalry has also been thoroughly 'studied' on the battlefield; these seem more like ceremonial mounts, as those six-legged, gaudily-colored (mostly in oranges, yellows and purples) reptiles, while large and menacing, are nothing compared to swiftness of a horse or ferocity of Agaresian lizards (which are smaller, faster and several times more vicious).
Exactly two mornings after the report, a messenger brings reply from King Cidric; he shall honor the treaty and is preparing to send four thousand of best Cydwyllian cavalry to help you against the dwarves.
And few hours later you get news from northwest; the Zonalath force has crushed several attempts by local militia to put up any resistance. Two border keeps were quickly turned to ruin by the tremor machines and the men garrisoning them were either killed in battle or captured for slavery.
Your courtiers clamor for more to be done to counter this terrifying invasion. Cidric's reinforcements are surely en route, but still...
A) Time to call up Lametanians!
B) Nah, they will do for now.
Some even believe we should seek help from less trusted neighbours in these desperate times...
A) Let's ask Alldivine Cloisters to provide warrior-priests in return for lavish donations!
B) Let's message the Parsians, maybe King Shapur V can be enticed to send aid.
C) Let's not involve especially these people in our wars.
Post by: ZBridges on January 29, 2018, 04:42:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 29, 2018, 04:46:26 pm
The all divines like us, don't they? Not as much as they used to too be sure, but enough yes?
Post by: milo christiansen on January 29, 2018, 04:47:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2018, 04:48:43 pm
Perhaps we can send our Charismatic heir to entice his father-in-law's help.
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 29, 2018, 04:53:10 pm
Post by: omada on January 29, 2018, 05:33:59 pm
Lametania needs to pay for that help we gave, (didn't had they promised a fucking marriage? Who married them?)
And let's not involve another country that is on our rear, besides, we saved the alldivines from parsia and we are giving them a bunch of stuff, let they march and guarantee that their brothers of faith don't end as slaves
Post by: crazyabe on January 29, 2018, 05:55:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 29, 2018, 06:00:41 pm
A
The Dwarves may be proud little midgets but their strong little midgets too. We're going to need all the help we can get. Especially since they caught us while our military was recovering.
Post by: melkor on January 29, 2018, 06:12:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2018, 06:12:45 pm
A
A
The Dwarves may be proud little midgets but their strong little midgets too. We're going to need all the help we can get. Especially since they caught us while our military was recovering.
Welcome to SPAMKINGDOM, the only series of threads outside of the modding board in which the b12 public can be depended upon to root against the dwarves.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 29, 2018, 06:49:03 pm
Even more reinforcements could give us an edge we need, or at least let us roll even.
The Parsians seem rather self-absorbed, I don't trust them half so well as the Alldivines to act on our behalf.
Post by: birdy51 on January 29, 2018, 06:49:44 pm
At least our fortunes were spent on the right area.
Post by: fireground42 on January 29, 2018, 08:13:35 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 30, 2018, 12:56:38 am
Or something.
A
A
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 10:45:45 am
As the messengers carry around your pleas for assistance, three days later you receive a report from Iwald: his soldiers and dwarves of Ankurvat have clashed again!
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And once again, against all odds, Iwald has scored a small victory against the dwarves, routing them. But another few thousand of Methiantese soldiers perished, and in the report Iwald writes that his Army is basically bleeding out at this moment.
Three days later, you receive a report from northwest; the dwarves continue unopposed, laying devastation to various keeps and richer settlements, plundering everything of worth and enslaving anyone strong enough to do slave work.
The same evening, the horn is heard in the east; your sentries report that about two thousand lightly armed men and women, some of them on horse, are approaching the capital under the banner of gold with the copper carbuncle; it is the Alldivines.
Battlebrother Vrath of Tech Cloister arrives to speak with you personally.
"Greetings, your Majesty. We've heard that you require services of our trained youth, and thus we bring two thousand of those we had at hand. My fellow battlebrothers agreed to postpone the payment for their services for a year."
You decide to...
A) Send the Alldivines northwest, to slow down the approach of Zonalath dwarves.
B) Send the Alldivines west, to reinforce Iwald's shrinking Army.
C) Keep the Alldivines at the capital for now.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 10:52:32 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 10:54:02 am
Edit: We do have sod all soldiers, and they probable have lots, which doesn't help.
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 30, 2018, 10:59:54 am
But yeah, we're getting really good total rolls and still getting stomped, it seems. If we're just gonna get crushed anyway I'd rather skip the illusion and get to the point.
Post by: Imic on January 30, 2018, 11:01:31 am
Why the fuck did we piss off the dwarves anyway, we're only doing well because of lucky rolls, we got two fives and they were small victories! Think about what'll happen when we get a 2! Our son will die!
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 11:02:19 am
But now I fix.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 11:02:40 am
Post by: crazyabe on January 30, 2018, 11:13:03 am
Post by: fireground42 on January 30, 2018, 11:50:42 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 30, 2018, 11:52:08 am
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 12:02:57 pm
Six days later, a forerunner is sent ahead of a thousand strong Cydwyl cavalry. The exhausted rider falls to his knee and looks up at you.
"Terrible news, Emperor! I bring word from my lord and master, King Cidric, who has been assaulted by his so called 'family', his uncles in west and east. Kingdom of Cydwyl is in clutches of civil war, and the King had to fly toward Dahnia as the uncles massed supporters amongst soldiers, officials and mercenaries. We alone have been dispatched to your Kingdom, as guards."
"Guards?"
"Guards of Queen Eirika and her royal children."
An hour later, Eirika along with Ela, Anwyn and Irsa end up in your Palace. Your daughter speaks with you at once.
"They didn't send any formal declaration of the sorts. Their men just took over some border forts and keeps in vicinity of the capital. CIdric decided to retreat northwards as to keep his rebelious uncles wedged between his loyal vassal, Duchess Astrid of Dahnia and your Empire.
As Eirika has to calm down and breastfeed little Irsa, a council is held between you and important officials.
As for the course of war...
A) We continue fighting!
B) It's time to ask Dwarves for peace!
As for Cydwyllian reinforcements...
A) They shall reinforce Iwald's army.
B) They shall go harass Zonalath dwarves.
C) They will stay at the capital.
D) They should return to Cydwyl and help crush those rebel bastards.
And as for Estrid, Houlandin's wife and heiress of Stjolf of Cydwyl...
A) Execute this rebel spy at once!
B) Imprison her so she won't try anything sneaky at your palace.
C) Nothing, she is of no importance.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 12:15:14 pm
A
C
Peace will be expensive, but if we can buy it, Cydwyl is all but ours.
Also, did we just skip over Houlandin's wedding? Thats kinda mean.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 12:16:34 pm
A
B
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 12:19:32 pm
Seems kinda odd that we can take advantage of our fighty sons, but not our talky one.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 12:20:53 pm
BAC
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 12:28:56 pm
Our reinforcements make up for our losses. We can try once more, see how that runs, then consider peace talks.
A
A This guy is more dangerous
C Have her watched, perhaps, but she could as easily be a victim of her uncles as a conspirator.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 12:32:52 pm
We're bleeding, but we're bleeding them, too, I think.
Our reinforcements make up for our losses. We can try once more, see how that runs, then consider peace talks.
A
A This guy is more dangerous
C Have her watched, perhaps, but she could as easily be a victim of her uncles as a conspirator.
If Iwald's army rolls anything less than a five or a six they are likely fucked. We were depending on the 3k riders from Cidric.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 12:40:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 12:49:54 pm
Four days after you dispatch the messenger, you receive a battle report from Iwald!
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He's done it again! Thanks to timely arrival of Alldivine zealots, he was able to fight against Ankurvat dwarves once more, yet this time he lost more forces and what's more, he is pretty sure that the dwarves pulled reinforcements from Ankurvat, because their brethren keep falling yet each battle they always start as if freshly assembled.
1139 AD, Mid-Spring
Some ten days later, a letter arrives from Iwald, who writes that the thousand Cydwyl horsemen have arrived.
He also writes that High Chief Anathazol of Ankurvat agreed to negotiate the proper amount of money and other compensations for the acts of destruction of Zasitost and grave robbing that occured recently. Anathazol refuses to even consider any sort of white peace with Methiant, and if negotiations do begin, the dwarven lord will send a dispatch to his fellow High Chief of Zonalath to ask a cease fire.
Your courtiers convene with you and ultimately you decide to...
A) Keep fighting until you can force something on them.
B) Agree, and go and lead the peace negotiations by yourself.
C) Agree, and send Leath to lead the talks, hopefully his charm works on shorter stock too.
D) Agree for negotiations, but send a minor court official just in case Dwarves are planning an assassination or two.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 12:55:41 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 30, 2018, 01:02:30 pm
Having
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 01:03:38 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 01:09:30 pm
We already paid for Zasitost, what assholes.
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 01:17:02 pm
Five days later you learn that in the north, Cydwyl capital has fallen to the rebels, although Cidric, with help of Dahnians, has begun a counteroffensive to reclaim the throne and the southern parts of his Kingdom. Meanwhile, Zonalath dwarves have laid waste to several small cities and towns, killing and enslaving many thousands in a span of last half a month.
Right in the very middle of the month, the word arrives from Leath, along with a scroll filled with monetary calculations. Apparently, they wish for lavish amount of money, in yearly payments, and dwarves from Zonalath were ordered by High Chief Anathazol to stop their pillagery.
Besides money, Leath writes, the dwarves demand that you return Wolf-Fang, made by their runemasters' ancestors, and which by no means you can claim as your own.
The Treasurer cries a little when he finishes the dwarven calculations.
"Sire, this is a robbery! Even if we send them our yearly income of pure silver, it will take eight years to pay this 'tribute' of theirs!"
You decide to send a reply to Leath, in which you write that...
A) He should negotiate for a lesser amount of money.
B) He should negotiate so that Wolf-Fang remains with the Imperial family.
C) He should agree to these, arguably scammy, demands.
D) He should inform Iwald that the fighting will continue on.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 01:25:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 01:26:43 pm
Money we can replace. The artifact, not so much.
On the other hand, we never did learn any of the artifact's powers or see a bonus to roll from holding it. Money is always useful.
(Anyone else notice that Wolf-Fang was prominently mentioned in foiling two assassinations? But again, no bonus to the roll. Might be a coincidence.)
A
Post by: crazyabe on January 30, 2018, 01:31:46 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 30, 2018, 01:33:18 pm
They also always cooperate with each other.
A
They could probably just destroy Wolf-Fang by themselves if they wanted to. Might as well give it back.
Post by: Puppyguard on January 30, 2018, 01:36:02 pm
We've never used Wolf-Fang anyway.
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 01:51:09 pm
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A reply arrives from Leath; not only the dwarves brought some representative of their western royalty, the little man is very stubborn and has managed to 'fight' Leath into a standstill.
In a hurried post scriptum note, Leath mentions that the dwarves are getting increasily irritated day by day.
A) That means they're losing their cool! Perfect opportunity to negotiate a better treaty again!
B) That means they're losing their cool, let's just accept their terms before they break the talks or something.
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 30, 2018, 01:57:54 pm
I wonder if we could get some aid from the elves though. This seems like the kind of thing they could be handy for.
Post by: crazyabe on January 30, 2018, 02:08:48 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 30, 2018, 02:12:47 pm
Post by: fireground42 on January 30, 2018, 02:14:30 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 02:15:01 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 02:16:41 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 30, 2018, 02:18:50 pm
We'll take the hit, and then perhaps some way to make nice later if we must.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 02:20:58 pm
This is gonna suck, but we should survive this.
Out of curiosity, is the return of the slaves they took included in this peace? If not, we have grounds to attack once our army recovers. That said, I have half a mind to swallow my pride and persue further peace with the dwarves once we make our eight years of payment; we don't need them teaming up with our murderous brother-in-law, who has more land to take and is such still our preferred target to the West.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 03:26:35 pm
I increasingly conclude that the dwarves' code of behavior is misanthropic at a basic level; granted the Methiant experience is somewhat one-sided. Even Daric of Eldrican, who claims to enjoy their friendship, admitted that his father acquiesced to their monetary demands on multiple occasions. "Further peace" has little meaning unless we can ameliorate their fundamental disrespect toward human nations, else there is only buying them off for a time.
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Somewhat separately, I slightly disagree that Eldrican is our preferred target in the west: the very fact of its size will make it difficult to sustain a campaign. I'm not sure what that would look like and would rather stick to espionage for now; but let's save the hypotheticals until we deal with the north.
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 03:54:32 pm
Within a week, the dwarves abandon your territory, taking their slaves and letting go those that can buy themselves out (or if they happen to have wealthy relatives), but about thousand (out of five thousand plus) men and women are carried off, mostly to Zonalath.
The final group of dwarves leaves, holding the Wolf-Fang wrapped in spidersilk, and a copy of the tribute contract, signed and sealed by you and Athul Damatharic, a tiny, elderly, withered dwarf with bald head and silvery beard wrapped around his waist twice over.
The Cydwyl cavalry does not wait that long; their commander, learning that you sign peace with dwarves, abandon Iwald's side and ride north to fight the battle for their King.
1139 AD, Late Spring
A council is held, because the state of Methiantese Army is simply abyssal at the moment. Some courtiers say Methiant should abandon Cidric in this hour of need, some that we ought to ride forth to help them just like they helped us. Iwald, Leath and Houlandin are all seated at the table, looking up for you to decide on this very fragile and very dangerous topic.
A) Obviously, we ride forth and help Cidric, otherwise we would be called cowards and oathbreakers!
B) But we have no one to send! Let's hope that Cidric forgives us one day for abandoning him.
Post by: ZBridges on January 30, 2018, 03:55:49 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 04:05:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 04:14:51 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 30, 2018, 04:18:25 pm
The worst that can happen is that we lose, and the dwarves would have caused more damage than a rag-tag group of Cydwyllians.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 30, 2018, 04:19:31 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 30, 2018, 04:28:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 04:34:00 pm
Between A and B though, I choose A.
A
Post by: omada on January 30, 2018, 04:41:17 pm
but send a letter, we will help with daggers on the night, send our spies to kill notorious people and sabotage
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2018, 04:41:37 pm
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"No!" The table shudders when Houlandin's gloved hand slams at it.
"Are you mad, father!?" Your son yells. "What we're going to do is bleed ourselves even more than we have already! Our borders are unprotected, our veteran soldiers dead and recruits not even out of the fucking training fields! Less than three thousand left alive to carry weapons in a nation stretching from Tiftit to the very border with Damdamian Empire! And our Treasury is at low and we've just agreed to pay a significant part of our income to dwarves! What are you doing, father, answer me this! Is this some kind of game you're playing? Some sort, I do not know, real-life chess, and we're extra game assets you can gamble on? Always waiting for some troops to get mustered and then jump to a war at slightest moment of notice! And what is our part in this grandiose part of the plan? First Tywynn, then Connan, I lost my eye and look here - Iwald was sent to a fucking war against an enemy with greater numbers and greater weapons, and Alldivines be blessed for their favors given to him, because if he for once would've slipped in his tactics, our family tomb would have one more sarcophagus and I would have one brother less! No I say! The Methiant Army is not going anywhere, Cydwyls and Cidric be damned!"
"How dare you speak to the Emperor like this, Houlandin-" The Advisor stands but your son turns to him.
"What Emperor?!" He points a finger at you. "He is a joke! A joke I say, a joke and a madman who rushes through things, not caring for people, for the army, for anything, going about only to fulfill his list of goals or conquests or fucking whatever! And I didn't hear that my father has been terminally ill that he has few years left to life yet a league-long list of things to complete before his passes away! Or is it that he has elevated himself to the rank of Emperor and suddenly believes he is immortal, he is invicible, he can get away with anything he wants no matter how huge the cost!? And now he says 'go to yet another war' with barely a soldier and money left!? How can you bunch even consider supporting his decision is fucking beyond me!!"
Clearly the boy had too much ale! It is time for you to...
*KZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTT*
You're Leath, son of Cyl and heir to the throne of Methiant.
You're seated between Iwald and Houlandin, currently standing, and who currently finished his lengthy tirade, blasting your father, apparently for the string of bad choices and governing in past few years. Or at least, venting off his grievances to the Emperor.
The courtiers are aghast. Poor Iwald is absolutely pale with terror. Houlandin and Cyl both look like two hot-headed alley boys ready to come to blows, faces redder than rubies.
You really should do something before something terrible happens.
A) I have to agree with Houlandin. Our father needs to see that another war will only bring further misfortune to Methiant at this moment!
B) Clearly, I've got to persuade Houlandin that it's going to be alright, even if some of his accusations might have a grain of truth of them.
C) Houlandin's done it this time. Guards! We need guards! Where are those guards when we need them the most?
D) It seems I need to calm them down. Uhhh, ask the servants to bring some water? Find a middle ground, if there's one?
Post by: ZBridges on January 30, 2018, 04:45:31 pm
Post by: omada on January 30, 2018, 04:47:29 pm
Houladin don't want to see our troops bleed
Cyl don't want to turn our backs to the deal
SPIES and supplies, ask if is possible to not bleed the army with simple harass tactics while their commanders die when sleeping
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 30, 2018, 04:48:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 30, 2018, 04:57:03 pm
Post by: crazyabe on January 30, 2018, 04:57:47 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 30, 2018, 05:00:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 30, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
There is a middle ground solution. We might not be able to support them with the army, but there may be a way to both honor our promises and support our ally.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 05:02:25 pm
D - I'm all for assassinating every rebel leader our spymaster can get his knives into.
Indeed. If sending swords to solve the problem would be unwise, we shall send cloaks and daggers instead! D
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 05:04:52 pm
Also what the fuck is Houlandin talking about? War war war war? Yeah, that's how it's been, but he's leaving out that it's been defensive war defensive war defensive war defensive war defensive war this whole time.
Post by: milo christiansen on January 30, 2018, 05:05:25 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on January 30, 2018, 05:11:57 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 30, 2018, 05:36:32 pm
Post by: fireground42 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:53 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 05:51:35 pm
Because I, personally, do agree with Houlandin. Cyl's certainly had his successes, but he's also been quite bloodthirsty.
(I can admit to sometimes casting my votes in that direction as part of the problem; certainly I badly underestimated the size of the dwarf response.)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2018, 06:01:21 pm
A
Because I, personally, do agree with Houlandin. Cyl's certainly had his successes, but he's also been quite bloodthirsty.
(I can admit to sometimes casting my votes in that direction as part of the problem; certainly I badly underestimated the size of the dwarf response.)
I think everybody underestimated the size of the dwarf response.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 30, 2018, 06:02:44 pm
Like. Awww. His brother in law was attacked when we have a firm alliance with him so we sent help. How fucking bloodthirsty are we?
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2018, 07:15:03 pm
This is not a new feeling for me: I noted it in the aftermath of the first war with the dwarves when we did not take the offered settlement; I noted it again when we attacked Ceodwell for the second time. (Yes, I still believe that treaty was valid, and yes, I know others disagree on its merits.) Seeing a pattern of behavior, that's how I started to play Cyl: often he escalates conflict too easily, settles too slowly, and holds grudges too tightly. Houlandin is intemperate, but the substance of his charges is sound – we wouldn't have the Empire we have today if Cyl had been less a Conqueror, but that does not mean he is managing it well. Some wars were defensive, but far from all, and Eval and the dwarves left us weak and stretched thin when our obligations call.
Then, playing as Leath (forced to wait for grisly reports and unable to use his talents until too late), I see no overriding reason to defend Cyl.
This is an opinion. I respect that a number of my fellow voters interpret some events otherwise or have a different sense of Leath's affiliations.
My vote for A was in some hope, perhaps again falsely estimated, that Cyl would be deposed or relieved of all but figurehead duties by his sons in Council. Afterward while playing a successor I would offer every prudent assistance to Cydwyl that I can; effectively what everyone is saying for D but with Cyl removed from power. Don't mistake my vote for A as intending to give up on Cidric.
Post by: Prophet on January 30, 2018, 07:54:40 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 30, 2018, 10:55:19 pm
At least, until the damned midgets take all of it.
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 11:12:34 am
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Your attempts fail rather bad, and soon Houlandin and your father, Cyl, are shouting at each other. Houlandin at certain moment just storms off the chamber, while your father is shooting daggers at him from his eyes.
You decide to...
A) Sit quiet for now, lest you will incur your dad's wrath also.
B) Call the guards to bring Houlandin back into the council room and apologize for his behavior.
C) Talk your father down, explaining that, after they both cool down, Houlandin surely will come and apologize in person.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 11:24:43 am
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 11:34:36 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 31, 2018, 11:45:39 am
(But privately, a martial guy concerned about his soldiers and storming off like that, I'm pretty sure he won't come back on his own.)
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 31, 2018, 12:11:51 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 12:16:30 pm
Post by: fireground42 on January 31, 2018, 12:43:23 pm
C
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 12:50:00 pm
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Your father sighs and slumps on the throne after your talking succeeds. After a moment, one of the courtiers ask whether they should continue talking about affairs of Cydwyl Kingdom, and your father concurs.
You decide to...
A) Return to your seat and listen to the council.
B) Excuse yourself and run after Houlandin to talk to him.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 12:58:44 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 31, 2018, 01:06:33 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 31, 2018, 01:13:43 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 31, 2018, 01:16:29 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 31, 2018, 01:17:26 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 31, 2018, 01:22:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 31, 2018, 01:34:02 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 31, 2018, 01:50:21 pm
Wait, no, if we choose A is our stint being Leath over?
Then B.
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 02:15:40 pm
Houlandin isn't far away, and you catch up easily with him. He looks at you both puzzled and slightly annoyed.
SPEECH OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THIS ROUTE:
A) Y SO ANGERY?
B) PLS COME BACK!
C) YOU WERE KINDA RIGHT.
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 02:18:29 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 31, 2018, 02:20:10 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 02:28:02 pm
I mean, he is.
Post by: Taricus on January 31, 2018, 02:30:03 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 02:30:57 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 02:35:24 pm
Post by: Imic on January 31, 2018, 02:51:20 pm
Ah feck.
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 02:52:01 pm
"Our father is drunk with power, I think. All he does is conquer. Not an edict issued in two years. The moment an opportunity for glory or territorial gains appears, he rushes to grab it. I don't remember him being so greedy before. Where is he rushing? Is he truly ill?"
"Not that I've heard."
"Maybe it's mother's death that shook him so much. Is he afraid maybe?"
"Afraid of what?"
"Maybe he's afraid of how fragile our country is, but it's his fault for wasting our forces like that."
"Are you going to do something about it? About.. father?" Houlandin scoffs.
"Me? I gave my eye for father and the Empire, I would gladly give my leg and arm and life if needs be, but someone should talk to father and have him rethink about sending men and children to die, because one day, someone will send him to die."
A) "You should go, apologize, and explain that to him, maybe it will change his ways."
B) "Then I shall go and tell him that, if you want."
C) "Let's go together and tell him that, seeing us united might work best."
D) "Is that treason talk I hear? Reconsider your words, otherwise I will have to report that!"
Post by: Weirdsound on January 31, 2018, 02:52:38 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 31, 2018, 02:53:04 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 31, 2018, 02:55:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 02:55:47 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 31, 2018, 02:56:03 pm
Maybe we can have the bastard abdicate and become dual emperors or whatever. He's more than had his turn, after all.
Post by: crazyabe on January 31, 2018, 02:56:47 pm
Post by: Imic on January 31, 2018, 03:00:56 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 31, 2018, 03:10:08 pm
As a side note, I rather like this segment. It's not often we get to see this kind of inner-familial conflict, even if it is a bit tough to watch.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 03:15:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 03:15:41 pm
You and Houlandin decide that best solution would be to ask your father to...
A) Step down as Emperor!
B) Have you as co-leader or an aide!
C) Reconsider his current policies and future goals!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 03:16:26 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 03:16:41 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 31, 2018, 03:17:37 pm
Besides, I feel like pretty much everybody except Cidric hates Cyl now, so a fresh face to put on the Empire seems like it'd be a good public relations boon.
Post by: Taricus on January 31, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 31, 2018, 03:25:45 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 03:38:43 pm
Post by: Culise on January 31, 2018, 03:47:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 31, 2018, 03:58:20 pm
As for imperial authority, I don't know that Cyl has much left anyway after the dwarves stomped our army and carried away our people as slaves.
B
That said, this roll seems more likely to go in our favor.
I think it would give us Leath's charisma bonus on deal makings while keeping Cyl's luck and military stuff around if we ever have a chance to use them again.
Post by: helmacon on January 31, 2018, 04:09:19 pm
We could finally have a character who wins. He built an empire from scratch, raised a family, and now he can retire. For once it doesn't end in death our ruin.
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 04:14:02 pm
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*KZZZZZZZZZZZTTT*
After two of your sons stand together against you, you have no choice but to capitulate the idea of 'shadow' war behind the rebels' back. There will be no glorious war, no grabs, no nothing.
Instead, you will have to...
A) Send some agents to quietly sabotage the usurpers' actions.
B) Devise a method to supply Cidric with money.
C) Give up on the war and let the Alldivines decide the fate of Cidric and Cydwyl Kingdom.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 04:16:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 31, 2018, 04:17:21 pm
Post by: Imic on January 31, 2018, 04:18:32 pm
Maaaaybe this'll work out a bit better this time?
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 04:23:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2018, 04:33:42 pm
The council ends and you grimace.
1139 AD, Summer
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You've heard that Cidric had lost few and won few battles, overall a net score of nothing.
But soon the tide might turn in his favor; a keep where food was stored for the rebels experienced a random blaze. One of the uncles had the unfortunate distinction of breaking his neck on a set of stairs in his own manor. And finally, a large troop of mercenaries abandoned the rebels' cause. All this in a span of a month.
1139 AD, Autumn
The last three months were particularily dreadful for you. Your sons have begun to meddle more in your rulings, and your courtiers are listening to them. Houlandin and Leath are coordinating with the Spymaster, while you're enjoying a nice summer vacation off work. It is rather cathartic, you have to admit.
It seems you've spent most of the time with...
A) Your old friend, darkness, lurking in the back of your mind.
B) Certain vintage of red wine, a delicious and refreshing beverage it is.
C) That one brown-haired maiden, young but wise, what was her name again?...
D) Alldivines in the local temple, listening to choirs and preachings of their priests.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 31, 2018, 04:35:50 pm
Probably yelling at the sky, "Why does no one in my family ever love me?!"
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2018, 04:37:29 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 31, 2018, 04:38:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on January 31, 2018, 04:47:08 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 31, 2018, 04:47:36 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 31, 2018, 04:52:53 pm
Why does everyone want Cyl to step down? Literally the most successful leader we've ever had? Maybe instead of having him step down due to having done dumb things, we should stop trying to do dumb things! :P
Post by: crazyabe on January 31, 2018, 05:01:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 31, 2018, 05:04:07 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 31, 2018, 05:14:59 pm
CNow what have I been saying half the game :P
Why does everyone want Cyl to step down? Literally the most successful leader we've ever had? Maybe instead of having him step down due to having done dumb things, we should stop trying to do dumb things! :P
B.
Post by: birdy51 on January 31, 2018, 05:17:22 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 31, 2018, 05:22:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 31, 2018, 05:28:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 31, 2018, 05:30:28 pm
D is poignant, and I like it. I think that this ok though. We all of us eventually create, in one way or another, our replacement in life. Our replacements are strong and capable, at the very least, and we may take pride in their abilities.He's only 40. :|
Post by: Criptfeind on January 31, 2018, 05:32:56 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on January 31, 2018, 05:35:22 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 31, 2018, 05:40:48 pm
Post by: omada on January 31, 2018, 05:56:44 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 06:05:29 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on January 31, 2018, 06:11:33 pm
A sounds like it may lead to suicide
C will likely reduce our reputation and maybe imperial authority even further
D makes me worried about Cyl becoming a zealot and damaging our whole religious equality thing.
B is the least damaging.
Post by: Lucus Casius on January 31, 2018, 06:15:57 pm
Admittedly I'm also really tempted to just start singing "sound of silence" and go with A instead.
Post by: Baffler on January 31, 2018, 06:23:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 31, 2018, 06:51:37 pm
I should probably explain my reasoning for B.
A sounds like it may lead to suicide
C will likely reduce our reputation and maybe imperial authority even further
D makes me worried about Cyl becoming a zealot and damaging our whole religious equality thing.
B is the least damaging.
D might grant Cyl an affinity with the alldivines, but as long as we control Cyl, we can prevent him from actually becoming a Zealot. Religious equality dose not mean the emperor cannot have a religion.
Post by: birdy51 on January 31, 2018, 07:09:07 pm
D is poignant, and I like it. I think that this ok though. We all of us eventually create, in one way or another, our replacement in life. Our replacements are strong and capable, at the very least, and we may take pride in their abilities.He's only 40. :|
Oooooold.
OOOOOOOOOOLLLD.
Post by: fireground42 on January 31, 2018, 07:54:03 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 31, 2018, 11:09:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 12:46:41 am
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It helped relax your mind. The singing was especially nice. Indeed, now you see that your sons were right.
1139 AD, Mid-Autumn
Banditry is on the rise in the devastated north-west; roaming groups of evildoers are ambushing and killing travelers and even raiding remote settlements for food and loot, most of them operating under auspices of 'Queen Roca', whoever that would be. Governors in the region cannot handle the growing problem by themselves, and therefore turn to the Crown for help.
You decide to...
A) Send the Army to crush the bandit horde into nothingness!
B) Hire some lvl20+ adventures to get rid of the bandits, they do that all the time.
C) Ignore the problem, it will go away on its own for sure.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 12:57:56 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 01:01:15 am
Our army and our budget were both fucked by the dwarves, but I think our budget was actually fucked worse. The dwarves are taking payment from us, and they hurt our population from which we draw taxes. Our army can at least be depended upon to replenish like clockwork. Hopefully we can send one of the sons along for that sweet Martial bonus.
Post by: ZBridges on February 01, 2018, 01:04:31 am
Post by: Puppyguard on February 01, 2018, 01:42:57 am
Post by: Imic on February 01, 2018, 02:03:55 am
Bastard Dwarves taking slaves.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2018, 04:21:14 am
Post by: melkor on February 01, 2018, 06:47:21 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2018, 09:31:06 am
Post by: omada on February 01, 2018, 10:50:47 am
And they were asking to be part of our population
You know what is fun? Dwarves forget fast, if they sign a contract they obey it, if we ever have a problem or want to spend a ton to find a fuckton of mines they will do that nicely or to just prolong the life of our current mines
B if our army fail we will be yelling "conquer us" if our adventurers fail hapiness might decrease but we will not spend wealth
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2018, 10:52:55 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 01, 2018, 10:58:03 am
You know what is fun? Dwarves forget fast, if they sign a contract they obey it
I think my biggest issue with the dwarves is this really isn't true. I could maybe work with them if they were basically lawful assholes, but they actually break their deals or at least pull bullshit very easily.
We destroyed Zasitost in 1117, that same year the dwarves invaded us for it and we signed a peace deal with them paying tribute as an apology for destroying it. So what are they doing now invading us for destroying Zasitost? It's bullshit. Not to mention when they just broke our scepter, that shit wasn't a rental.
These might not be strictly "breaking contracts" but it certain shows they act in bad faith and long term agreements with them aren't actually worth anything. What sort of contract can we sign with them that we can trust them to keep long term? We can't buy artifacts, and we can't buy off their anger as other kings have suggested, not really.
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 11:36:27 am
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They fail miserably against the bandits. Many a recruit never comes back home, and bandits sing songs of the loot and victories.
You decide to...
A) Send some money under the table to this 'Queen Roca', so that she moves somewhere northwards mayhaps?
B) Ignore this debacle for now.
C) Buy services of some competent lvl20+ adventurers to get rid off the bandit scum.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 01, 2018, 11:37:55 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2018, 11:45:04 am
Post by: omada on February 01, 2018, 12:12:27 pm
Post by: fireground42 on February 01, 2018, 12:24:01 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2018, 12:31:08 pm
C
If I didn't think we had a martial bonus in our pocket I would have voted this in the first place.
Post by: crazyabe on February 01, 2018, 01:16:33 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2018, 03:29:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 03:38:05 pm
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They do so. Her lieutenants fall to in-fighting, and the local militias have no problem hunting down bandits afterwards.
1139 AD, Winter
Gold, silver and gemstones fill the treasury, and money is sent to Ankurvat.
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While metals yield little profits, glassware does well for some money. Most importantly, it seems to help people's forget the terribleness of the last year, soothing their souls.
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5*
Apparently, two of Cidric's uncles went to blows after some scandalous documents about one of them ended in the desk of the other. If those mishaps continue, Cidric - who's currently besieging the capital - will soon have a clear path to victory.
1139 AD, End of the Year
You silently brood in your chamber, staring at the snowfall outside; the small, delicate snowflakes are gently falling to the ground, the stillness and quiet of the outside world being rather lovely.
You hear the door creak, and you turn your head; the Advisor bows respectfully and brings you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 5
Army: 1
Imp.Authority: -1
"Sire, the recent war had unfortunate distinction of causing many casualties, be it the lost youths or enslaved or slaughtered peoples, especially in the northwest of the Empire. The people's mood dropped considerably, and the lost war shook their faith in the Emperor's abilities and legitimacy. Further, our Army is in shambles."
"Although it might be unwise to force people to accept new laws, the Army officers, with help of Houlandin, have a military Edict proposal that might be worth consideration." The Advisor pulls out fresh parchment for you.
"Do you wish to issue an Edict this year?"
A) "Absolutely not, the people will turn against me!"
B) "Sure! It's time I got back to my administrative duties!"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2018, 03:41:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 03:49:02 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2018, 03:49:47 pm
Also last year we increased our army funding, I think it stands at -3/year?
With our forces so small, can we just cut that back down to two before we go bankrupt? (or even one for a while?)
Extra money never seems to increase recruiting, which is what we need most at the moment.
Hey, maybe that's the proposed edict? Army reorganization and bloat reduction?
Post by: Criptfeind on February 01, 2018, 03:53:43 pm
But man, the spymaster is actually doing good things. First time in like three spamkingdoms. I'm so proud of him.
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 03:55:17 pm
MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
Establish Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Establish The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 04:02:32 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 04:03:21 pm
Although I do wonder if establishing the shadowranks would help improve authority - it seems like people are always impressed by bodyguards, it would make the emperor look that much more Imperial. We should wait until we actually have soldiers to select the most loyal from, though.
Post by: crazyabe on February 01, 2018, 04:08:20 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2018, 04:10:01 pm
We need the Recruitment Offices+1
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 04:31:32 pm
1140 AD, Spring
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It seems that people decided that your edict was reasonable, as there has been no initial objections to it. Time will tell if it will get implemented swiftly enough.
You also hear great news from the north; out of seven uncles, six rebelled, and now four are dead. The last bastions of rebels in Cydwyl Kingdom are in lands that once were Donuthian, where the holdings of uncles Stjolf and Ansgath lie.
There is delegation of Alldivine priests that ask for an audience.
"The Cloisterbrothers have decided that is it a good year to ask for the payment for services rendered with flesh and blood by our warriorpriests for your Army, Emperor!" Says one.
"But because you have been a friend to our faith, they have decided to ask for only a small tribute equal to about half what was initially calculated."
A) "I have more important things to spend money on. Begone at once!"
B) "Generosity of your Battlebrothers is most welcome. You can take the money."
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 04:32:17 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 01, 2018, 04:33:17 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 04:33:47 pm
we're not dwarves
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 01, 2018, 04:35:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2018, 04:37:40 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 01, 2018, 04:45:21 pm
Just out of curiousity, what effect did modernizing the Hurling land have?
Post by: helmacon on February 01, 2018, 04:51:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 04:54:11 pm
Just out of curiousity, what effect did modernizing the Hurling land have?
Bring back their agricultural expertise after decades/centuries of being xenophobic traumatized aggressive uncoordinated little peoples.
You agree to let them take the money as payment for Alldivine mercenaries.
1140 AD, Mid-Spring
Cidric did it! All the rebel forces have been exterminated or subjugated. Many thousands have perished, but word has it Cidric has gained control of copper and tin works in the mountains across from Tiftit valley.
1140 AD, Summer
A delegation of Cydwyllian diplomats arrives. They heap praise at you because your agents were coordinating with Cidric's agents in last few months.
"King Cidric offers to send you money he has seized from the manors of his uncles. Otherwise, he would be happy to deliver upon you the northern Donuth, so that you would be ruling over both halves, again uniting them since the time our respective nations split the land between themselves."
You decide to...
A) Accept the money, hard cash always finds some use.
B) Accept the land of northern Donuth.
C) Make puppy eyes and ask for both, pwetty pweeeease?
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 04:56:50 pm
Also, is not our daughter-in-law specifically heir to one of the fallen uncles? What lands would she stand to inherit? And could we ask for those?
Post by: ZBridges on February 01, 2018, 05:00:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 01, 2018, 05:00:46 pm
We're spending money like it's going out of style recently, but we're not like, in an awful place for it... I sorta want Donuth (although if I recall correctly wouldn't that make us have a big spike of land jutting awkwardly into their country?)
Donuth neighbors (if I recall correctly) empty land, which we've never had proper borders with before I don't think. Except sorta on the other side of the halfling valley. It seems that other kingdoms slowly expand into empty land over time, so it might be a pretty good long term investment to be able to do that when our population raises.
On the other hand the cash is nice.
B, weakly.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 01, 2018, 05:02:44 pm
Judging from the map at the start of the game. lts a bit of land near zonalath.
l want it because it would get us closer to the sea and to those great expanses of absolute nothing.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 05:04:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 05:07:05 pm
Hopefully we get map update soon.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 01, 2018, 05:08:34 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 01, 2018, 05:13:32 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2018, 05:13:53 pm
Half a kingdom should eventually get us more gold than some trinkets and baubles collected by a few uncles that couldn't even properly revolt.
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2018, 05:19:35 pm
Along with the diplomats, your daughter Eirika and her kids return to Cydwyl, her family now reunited.
1140 AD, Midsummer
The ownership documents arrive in the capital, and soon initial survey arrives a well; the land is moderately populated and of no significant wealth or natural resources.
1140 AD, Autumn
Potentially worrying news come from the west; Kingdom of Eldrican is under assault by horse nomads. But it is not a single tribe this time - apparently a new Khan has united the three tribes, Otvags, Tsibiri and Chukan! His name is Ogan, son of Ajtun, from Tsibiri tribe.
Your courtiers bring more rumors about the nomads every day; their invasion apparently progressed deep into Tirine territory, pillaging, enslaving and burning down what the nomads can find, beating up local militias and Eldrican forces alike. Ogan has promised the tribes glory and power that they once had under the Atulak Khanate and those before it, to once more become the lords of western steppes. Apparently, his highly mobile army numbers up to twenty, thirty, and some even say forty, thousand horsemen dedicated to war and destruction.
A) Ha, serves them Eldricans right.
B) Maaaybe Daric would appreciate an offer of help?
Post by: Criptfeind on February 01, 2018, 05:21:06 pm
To expensive to get involved now. And he's sorta an enemy.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 01, 2018, 05:22:08 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 01, 2018, 05:22:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2018, 05:33:46 pm
too much effort
Post by: crazyabe on February 01, 2018, 05:40:28 pm
Post by: fireground42 on February 01, 2018, 05:46:18 pm
Post by: omada on February 01, 2018, 06:02:27 pm
A
Although I fear the khanate growing strong more than eldrican, the eventual fragmentation of eldrican lands mean vassalization/ loans/ Merc work from our army and a possible contact with those far away nations (if the khanate don't get strong enough or the damdamians grab eldrican lands
Damn, the damdamians might conquer them
Post by: Weirdsound on February 01, 2018, 06:03:36 pm
Perhaps we could even contact the Khanate? Offer them the help of our spies.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 01, 2018, 06:17:20 pm
I mean.. war is bad guys we need to not get involved in this senseless violence this time...
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2018, 07:49:21 pm
A
Whatever happened with the Alldivine refugees from Parsia?
I was expecting a population bump from them, and we have open land in the northeast now.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 02, 2018, 05:30:00 am
Post by: omada on February 02, 2018, 11:20:35 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 02, 2018, 11:46:15 am
Post by: Haspen on February 02, 2018, 12:50:04 pm
1140 AD, Mid-Autumn
You become grandfather twice more; within six days apart, both Estrid and Abis give birth; Estrid gives Houlandin a healthy boy she named 'Llynden', and Abis has another daughter that is named 'Dana'.
1140 AD, Winter
Gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury, while silver is once more sent to the dwarves.
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Once again, metals provide little profits; the glasswares fares better.
1140 AD, Midwinter
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You're informed by your generals and clerks that the recruitment offices have been smoothly integrated into royal bureaucracy as well as military organization of Methiant. First recruiters have already disseminated amongst the lands of the Empire, offering honest soldiering work and a new place to call home for those unlucky, homeless, of mercenary inclination or otherwise interested in serving the Methiantese nation.
1140, Late Winter
The magnificent Royal Keep of Ceremonies has been opened in a grandiose ceremony. Many noblemen attend it, if only to get drunk and mingle with each other.
All important religious and celebratory events will now take place in it, possibly dazing your subjects, guests and courtiers alike with the splendor of the carved marble and glass decorations inside.
1140, End of the Year
Just as you finished the morning meal, the Advisor seizes the opportunity to present you freshly updated Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: 3
Imp.Authority: -2
"My liege, while the recruiters had great luck in gathering new recruits from across Methiant, the Treasury is in bad shape. The people are grumbling in disapproval and some groups of malcontent are even publicly expressing their anger with your rule. But it is the money that's our current pressing issue; the tribute to Dwarves takes away a good chunk of our income, and our Army, bureaucracy and Fireblood Court are expensive to maintain. We ought to do something." The Advisor explains several (more or less obvious) ideas your ministers and officials have.
As for Army budget...
A) Lower the assigned budget to previous amount and cut its spendng for a year.
B) Lower the assigned budget to previous amount.
C) Cut its spendng for a year.
D) Do nothing, Army is backbone of our society and must be well-oiled all the time!
As for potential increase of taxes...
A) For a year, we have to or we go bankrupt!
B) No, let's not anger the peasants even more.
"The Authority is at all time low, my liege. But mayhaps another edict could raise it? Therefore, I shall ask: do you wish to issue an Edict this year?"
A) "Of course, bureaucracy is love!"
B) "Not this year, sorry."
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 02, 2018, 12:58:13 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 02, 2018, 01:01:47 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 02, 2018, 01:03:11 pm
A
B
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 02, 2018, 01:05:51 pm
A
A
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 02, 2018, 01:07:13 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 02, 2018, 01:12:16 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 02, 2018, 01:12:48 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 02, 2018, 01:22:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 02, 2018, 01:50:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2018, 01:56:23 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 02, 2018, 02:48:02 pm
A
B
B
But I would prefer:
E - Lower the army budget to base level (-1/y); do fund it that much
B
A
By my recollection, the first army increase was offered when we reached 7; even with the new recruiting we will be under the cap for a couple years.
That would save us 2/y, as much as the dwarf tribute costs and put us much closer to fiscal stability, enough to risk an edict maybe.
If the army is completely unfunded they have a morale/readiness penalty and we can't intervene if our edict goes badly (or we just have riots from low happiness).
edit: mixed up the edict letters
Post by: helmacon on February 02, 2018, 03:29:30 pm
A
B
B
Every edict we have passed so far has lowered the imperial authority. Why would another one raise it?
Happiness is far to low to be raising taxes. We will likely already get a small rebellion this year.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 02, 2018, 03:46:11 pm
We cannot raise the taxes at 3 happiness or we'll get another problem.
Post by: ZBridges on February 02, 2018, 04:24:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 02, 2018, 04:38:57 pm
Remember how the council of whatevers edict description says it can raise authority? Plus I think I made a decent argument that the Shadowranks would as well.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 02, 2018, 04:43:45 pm
The Ceremonial Keep should help I.Authority, but we need something to do in it.
How about a christening or whatever Alldivine ceremony applies for our new grandchildren?
(If the Alldivines won't do it, ask the Pantheonists. I'm sure they'll jump at the chance.)
Post by: Weirdsound on February 02, 2018, 04:51:26 pm
I think the new palace and the ceremonial keep are two different items. But yes, that's one outstanding debt crossed off.
The Ceremonial Keep should help I.Authority, but we need something to do in it.
How about a christening or whatever Alldivine ceremony applies for our new grandchildren?
(If the Alldivines won't do it, ask the Pantheonists. I'm sure they'll jump at the chance.)
Wedding. We could use a second wife.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 02, 2018, 04:54:54 pm
Wedding. We could use a second wife.And then a few more, right?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 02, 2018, 05:01:03 pm
Post by: omada on February 02, 2018, 05:13:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 02, 2018, 05:27:57 pm
Honestly, as much as we might have bad memories, they never did anything wrong to Methiant, and it would be nice to know we don't have to worry about them when we are ready to go after Dwarves/Kahns/Murderous Kings.
Post by: Prophet on February 02, 2018, 06:08:18 pm
B
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 02, 2018, 10:24:38 pm
A
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA says the sheep.
I sure am glad we raided that dwarven crypt.
Post by: Haspen on February 03, 2018, 05:14:55 am
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MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Establish The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 03, 2018, 05:26:52 am
Post by: ZBridges on February 03, 2018, 05:27:14 am
Establish Council of Statesmen+1
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 03, 2018, 07:02:12 am
Regrettably, we must.
Hopefully we can at least pack it with family members to ensure its loyalty.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 03, 2018, 08:01:48 am
Might also want to ask the Fireblood Court to step up the results lest we defund them.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 03, 2018, 08:49:38 am
Hopefully we can at least pack it with family members to ensure its loyalty.Says the king who was this close –><– to facing a rebellion from three straight generations.
Post by: Prophet on February 03, 2018, 04:57:24 pm
While it pains me to take some of our good and true Monarch's power this might just be what we need. Though I think of this in no way a step to filthy Democracy or traitorous Republicanism. It's just a step to allow our great Emperor some help and rest. Having to run such a great nation as ours surely is a tiresome task after all.
Post by: Haspen on February 03, 2018, 07:32:31 pm
1141 AD, Spring
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Despite initial worries, no one seems to care much for the edict, except some always-angry malcontents in the countryside.
Once again, a delegation of noblemen of Methiant arrive at your palace, offering money.
"We however see that the Treasury is suffering from expenses year by year, and it may take way too long for us to wait." One of them says.
"So we offer that the previous 'gifts' will not have to be repaid, nor these ones we bring today, but instead, we have a request from his Majesty that we would like to see fulfilled." Says another.
"We want the limitations on territorial gains and purchases of land lifted. It is the traditional way of the region for centuries, yes, but such a glorious and advanced Empire like Methaint should strive to innovate, not choke on traditions." Another explains.
A) "Nah, I will just repay you in the future, okay?"
B) "So be it; go and buy your villages and keeps, I really need the money."
C) "I do not want your money. Who told you those lies anyways? The Treasury is doing fine."
Post by: milo christiansen on February 03, 2018, 07:34:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 03, 2018, 07:35:04 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 03, 2018, 07:35:46 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 03, 2018, 07:37:02 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 03, 2018, 07:51:33 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 03, 2018, 07:55:50 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 03, 2018, 07:56:21 pm
Uh wait what.
Post by: Taricus on February 03, 2018, 08:01:23 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 03, 2018, 08:12:49 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 03, 2018, 08:41:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 03, 2018, 08:44:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 03, 2018, 09:00:39 pm
Seriously, going bankrupt from having to pay back people is what killed us before.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 03, 2018, 09:25:13 pm
Post by: Iituem on February 04, 2018, 03:31:56 am
Post by: Haspen on February 04, 2018, 03:38:32 am
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You tell them that you will instead just repay them later.
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Despite some fidgeting and grimacing, it's clear that your nobles still fear your power. They agree to 'lend' you the money.
1141 AD, Summer
Apparently, the Duchy of Tirine is burning down with flames of pillagery by now. Daric III's soldiers abandoned their vassal, to go with their King's plan and strike into heart of the Khanate. The plan succeeded, and many important of Khan's generals were captured or slain in mighty battle which saw 25 thousand peoples duke it out.
1141 AD, Midsummer
Daric III has died! During some random, minor skirmish, some unknown nomad archer shot him in the face.
Daric's only son and child, Ivin, has taken on the name Elran IV. People acclaim the youth as a genius in both military tactics and matters of lore and law, and it's widely known that he has strength and health of an ox, but there are rumors he is a coward that's scared of combat, especially duels and such.
1141 AD, Late Summer
An envoy from Elran IV has arrived.
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl!" The bearded man bows respectfully. "My master, King Elran IV, wishes to acquire assistance against those barbarian nomads from your powerful Army. He is willing to pay five years of tribute if your Army joins him and his soldiers in defense of Eldrican Kingdom." You can't help but notice that both Leath and Houlandin, present in the hall, are glancing in your direction.
A) "I will not help murderers and kinslayers!" About time we publish those documents, right??
B) "Sorry, not interested."
C) "Make it ten years."
D) "We stand united against the threat of barbaric hordes. My soldiers will assist Elran IV at once!"
E) "Make it fifteen years!"
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 04, 2018, 05:19:09 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 04, 2018, 05:30:52 am
Post by: helmacon on February 04, 2018, 05:56:15 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 04, 2018, 06:27:30 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 04, 2018, 07:07:10 am
Changing to B
Post by: birdy51 on February 04, 2018, 07:24:07 am
Our army still isn't enough to both defend our homeland and be launched headlong into a neighboring country.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 04, 2018, 07:54:13 am
Seriously.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 04, 2018, 08:37:18 am
Our army is too weak to go off spilling blood for other people, but we can't just SAY that. So this works better.
Post by: Arlos on February 04, 2018, 09:57:14 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 04, 2018, 10:21:30 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 04, 2018, 10:22:33 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 04, 2018, 10:49:07 am
He is also a suspect, but without real evidence, in Esta's (his sister's) murder that happened in between.
So yeah, let's give his son's envoy a chance to completely disavow all knowledge.
A
Post by: Haspen on February 04, 2018, 11:14:34 am
"Those are lies!" The envoy finally mumbles out. But it's clear your court wants nothing to do with this man and Eldricans today, and they're ready to toss him out too.
A) Send him away without further ado.
B) Send him away with copy of the documents.
C) Send him away with declaration of war for Elran IV.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 04, 2018, 11:16:16 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 04, 2018, 11:16:30 am
Post by: crazyabe on February 04, 2018, 11:21:08 am
Post by: Arlos on February 04, 2018, 11:38:32 am
Post by: milo christiansen on February 04, 2018, 11:50:27 am
Post by: Prophet on February 04, 2018, 12:29:12 pm
Post by: Imic on February 04, 2018, 12:37:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 04, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 04, 2018, 01:00:11 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 04, 2018, 02:58:43 pm
1141 AD, Autumn
Thanks to Hurthling's agrilcultural prowess and good weather, the harvest has been quite bontiful this year. Governors and priests alike clamor that the Crown sponsors various harvest festivals, to let people celebrate the abundance of foods and to placate their anger.
A) Better drunk subjects than angry subjects. Time to party!
B) Nope, we're poor, we simply cannot afford any festivals.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 04, 2018, 03:04:41 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 04, 2018, 03:16:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 04, 2018, 03:45:26 pm
Unhappiness can be more terrifying than a lack of wealth. Unhappiness leads to losses in every other sector of life.
Post by: ZBridges on February 04, 2018, 03:45:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 04, 2018, 03:47:55 pm
On that note, it seems as if we got the Hurthlings going. Once we get some money, it would be cool if we start a national grain storage system to protect us against bad harvests, and allow us to sell to neighbors in their times of need.
Post by: crazyabe on February 04, 2018, 04:05:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 04, 2018, 07:07:13 pm
B
On that note, it seems as if we got the Hurthlings going. Once we get some money, it would be cool if we start a national grain storage system to protect us against bad harvests, and allow us to sell to neighbors in their times of need.
probably an edict for that.
But A
happiness was 3 last I checked. We need to roll well on glassware as well.
Post by: omada on February 04, 2018, 08:05:58 pm
A
I'm proud of our sons, they participate in the court challenge their father and offer their two cents in administration, and they're united, it will not like when Leath sit's the throne they will just disappear
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 04, 2018, 09:35:05 pm
B
I assume this is the only information the real emperor gets as well, like he just gets a red number on a scroll and no further details and has to do the math himself like one of our braver posters.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 04, 2018, 09:47:56 pm
Rebels are more costly than this.
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 12:52:14 am
1141 AD, Mid-Autumn
There's a revolt going on in Ceodwell!
Peasants from the region have risen against 'oppression, overt taxation and poverty' that is, as they say, running in Methiant like plague. They're besieging a small city at the border with Parsia near Ironbone Mountains. They're led by a man calling himself 'Est the Strong'.
During a council, you decide to...
A) Send in the Army to crush the rebels.
B) Send the rebels an offer to negotiate things.
C) Do nothing for now.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 01:01:18 am
Our army should be 4 or 5 by now, and we have Thundercats. Just remember to send a Martial son this time!
Post by: ZBridges on February 05, 2018, 01:05:03 am
Post by: Prophet on February 05, 2018, 01:10:02 am
Post by: Arlos on February 05, 2018, 02:58:37 am
Post by: milo christiansen on February 05, 2018, 03:28:45 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 03:41:07 am
A
Post by: birdy51 on February 05, 2018, 09:55:49 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 05, 2018, 10:00:28 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 05, 2018, 11:02:37 am
We knew a rebellion would happen when we raised taxes.
We voted to keep the army running, we ought to use it.
We cannot afford concessions, we spent them on the army.
(And send Iwald the spare martial son this time!)
Post by: birdy51 on February 05, 2018, 11:09:15 am
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 11:57:46 am
bbb
You decide to send the Army to fight the rebels.
"I will go." Houlandin stands up.
You decide to...
A) Send Iwald instead.
B) Let Houlandin go.
C) Keep kids safe this time.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 12:00:45 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 05, 2018, 12:17:19 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 05, 2018, 12:19:53 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 05, 2018, 12:26:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2018, 12:39:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 05, 2018, 12:43:41 pm
B
Post by: helmacon on February 05, 2018, 12:43:51 pm
Post by: Imic on February 05, 2018, 12:59:08 pm
Let him go if he wants to.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 01:46:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 05, 2018, 02:16:08 pm
Post by: omada on February 05, 2018, 02:55:52 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 05, 2018, 03:07:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 03:29:42 pm
1141 AD, Late Autumn
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3*
Houlandin manages to deal the rebels a blow, but he has been wounded in combat. The healers are keeping an eye on him.
A week later comes another report; the Army caught the routed rebels and decimated them, while healers...
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5
Were able to patch up Houlandin. A week or so and he will be back up to full strength.
1141 AD, Winter
Gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury; the silver is sent to the dwarves.
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2to5, 5to6
Metals and glassware especially bring profits; the quality of cups, pendants and mirrors was unusually high, pleasing the noblemen buyers and getting your Treasury very high profits.
From the west come rumors and news of the conflict against the Khanate; after many, many fights, the Eldricans have managed to liberate Tirine out of Khan's oppression, but the fighting is still harsh there. Apparently, the nomads began using even giant wolves and unicorns, but no one knows whether these are 'home-bred', or mayhaps stolen or bought from the enigmatic Elves of Tisilenteliya.
1141 AD, Midwinter
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1to5
People are rather angry at this idea of 'council' that you pushed last year. Out of all the people, it's your own fanclub of loyalists (apparently you do have a fanclub, huh), that is opposed to weakening of the Throne and lessening of your authority. Some question the logic behind their anger, but oh well.
And, speaking of the Council of Statesmen, composed of retired administrators, regional governors and other wise men of bureaucracy and law...
"Ridiculous, plain ridiculous!" The statesmen are bickering because of a proposal.
"The Crown does not take loans! The Crown isn't a lowly merchant! What will people think? An Emperor that takes a loan? What kind of Emperor would that be?" Says one of them.
"We need funds for now so that we can pay off the dwarves. If we put honour and prestige over pragmatic course of action, we will end like any of the warlords of the early eleventh century!" Says another, with impressively long silvery beard.
Still, they have two proposals; one of smaller loan and one of larger loan that will take a lot more.
The first loan is worth five years of taxes, paid with interest in seven years; the other is eight years of taxes paid with interest over span of eleven years. Apparently, there are some merchants dealing in glasswork and spices from Parsia that have enough funds to lend to the Crown.
You decide to...
A) Take the small loan.
B) Take the bigger loan.
C) Take no loans at all.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 03:33:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 05, 2018, 03:35:42 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 05, 2018, 03:36:10 pm
While tempting, I'm hopeful that we can keep going year to year.
Adding another line item doesn't really help the deficit spending of so many expenses.
I also think we should use our edict this year to repeal the recruitment offices. Our army should be serviceable for minor engagements so it's a good place to cut back.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 05, 2018, 03:36:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 03:37:58 pm
We just got a hefty sum from this year's taxes/ resources. I think we can afford C.
Indeed. C.
Also, politely ask the council in the future to time all major financial proposals to coincide with the scrolls of Kingdom Status. If they would have waited a month or so, we could have made a far more educated decision.
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 04:16:46 pm
1141 AD, End of the Year
Heeeere's Advisor!
And the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Quote
4to6, 2to6
Happiness: 2
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: 5
Imp.Authority: -1
"Our Treasury is slowly recovering, sire, and the Army is doing well because for second year in a row, many a traveler decided to join Methiantese forces in return for home and good wage."
"The Council of Statesmen managed to repair your authority, addressing many issues that are trivial for the state but of most importance for local leaders and popular personages."
"The mood of the peoples is low, however, and it would be a good thing to fix it. While we could host another year of festivals, your statesmen have few edicts that help in a long run. In fact, they have plenty of ideas for new Edicts."
"So what will it be, your Majesty?" You decide to...
A) Spend money on festivities, and issue an Edict.
B) Sponsor some festivals, but pass on bureaucracy this year.
C) Keep the money in Treasury and instead issue an Edict.
D) Do neither of these things, maybe next year will be better for all that.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 04:19:44 pm
Wait, new ideas? Lets go A
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2018, 04:23:13 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on February 05, 2018, 04:27:16 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 05, 2018, 04:28:46 pm
shit I meant C
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 04:28:58 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 05, 2018, 04:32:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2018, 04:32:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 04:35:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 04:51:39 pm
1142 AD, Spring
There is a disagreement amongst the Fireblood engineers, and they have come to ask you for guidance.
Apparently, two schools of thought have merged within the young generation. One wishes to use Fireblood for its incendiary properties, to develop weapons that would set fire to buildings and people; the other school prefers rather to use the fiery pressure of ignition to propel projectiles at great ranges, like Thundercats, but better.
A) Let the world burn!
B) Shooty things are best!
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 04:54:02 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2018, 04:59:38 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 05, 2018, 05:05:34 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 05, 2018, 05:06:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 05:07:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 05, 2018, 05:13:28 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2018, 05:16:04 pm
1142 AD, Mid-Spring
You have a visit from your sister - Gea!
It's been decades since she moved to seclusion in eastern Felonsein and years since you saw her - oh when was it? Ah yes, during your proclamation of Empire of Methiant. Usually reserved and keeping away from the capital and politics, she asks for private audience and is given one.
You meet with her in your chambers and compliment her looks; while you're getting wrinkles, she looks at least decade younger than you. After pleasant chit-chat, you decide to move on to what brings her here.
From her traveling bag, she pulls out a large bottle of milky-silvery liquid, and two small cups made of what seems to be... nettle and acorns? Or at least wood, stylized and dyed to resemble a giant acorn wrapped up in nettle stalks.
"It's a special mixture made by herbal women of the Rainbow Lizard Mountains. They say they've learned this art and this recipe from the long-lived elves of Tisilenteliya themselves. It has quite an effect, I must say!" She speaks calmly and happily, and smiles at you.
"Want a sip, dear brother?"
A) "Elves and herbal women? Sorry, I saw what mystical intoxication looks like with Leath, thank you very much.
B) "A sip won't hurt, I guess, and maybe it will help me relax. Pour one for me, sister!"
C) "Tell me about those herbal women and the recipe and the elves first, I rarely hear of such things nowadays."
Post by: helmacon on February 05, 2018, 05:21:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 05, 2018, 05:34:43 pm
C Has it ever hurt to take the more information please choice?
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 05:35:29 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 05, 2018, 05:39:34 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 05, 2018, 05:50:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2018, 05:52:18 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 05, 2018, 06:20:32 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 05, 2018, 07:45:56 pm
Post by: omada on February 05, 2018, 08:18:11 pm
I was hoping that the eldrican would give us gifts as excuses and ask us for troops again, but bleh, we will return to our original gameplay anyway, just invade when they are screwed as fuck and make everyone indebted with us, and rent troops because fuck yes
I was thinking right now that it wasn't the beeest of the ideas to make full alliances with neighbors, here, we can have good terms, but when Lametanias got invaded they would had asked to hire our troops, but.. what is done is done, we will just change that when assholes come into power or they get their inavitable death
Post by: Criptfeind on February 05, 2018, 08:24:58 pm
Dangit I missed the edict, I really did want to cancel recruiting.B She looks great, what's the worst that could happen?
C Has it ever hurt to take the more information please choice?
Yeah, actually, crit failing the wisdom roll during such discussions has forced us to take the bad option before. Not very likely and not necessarily something that always happens, but it's at least a minor concern.
I'm going to go with
A.
Because, what's even on offer here? Youth? Our king has lasted long enough already.
Post by: fireground42 on February 05, 2018, 09:41:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2018, 10:05:30 pm
I was hoping that the eldrican would give us gifts as excuses and ask us for troops again.
They still could. They have a few years before our army is completely reformed and we are ready to start looking for foreign wars.
Post by: birdy51 on February 06, 2018, 12:18:19 am
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 12:46:23 am
"Pretty sure there is nettle and mint in this at very least. The herbal women do not spill their secrets and the one living in my manor doesn't either. But, I've been using this for several years now, and it still has to kill me." She lifts the bottle and tilts it toward the cups, looking at you expectantly.
A) Let's have a sip.
B) How about no.
Post by: ZBridges on February 06, 2018, 12:48:02 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 06, 2018, 12:55:22 am
Post by: helmacon on February 06, 2018, 12:56:34 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 01:24:46 am
Just the sip.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 06, 2018, 01:58:49 am
Post by: melkor on February 06, 2018, 04:16:37 am
if where gonna die we should die drinking with the family
Post by: fireground42 on February 06, 2018, 04:18:24 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 06, 2018, 05:13:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 06, 2018, 06:08:12 am
Post by: milo christiansen on February 06, 2018, 06:12:49 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 06, 2018, 06:27:50 am
Post by: crazyabe on February 06, 2018, 07:38:27 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 06, 2018, 09:15:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2018, 09:52:04 am
Post by: Baffler on February 06, 2018, 10:02:06 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 12:21:25 pm
dew it
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 06, 2018, 12:22:25 pm
If she was trying to poison us, this seems like a really bad way to do it.
Post by: omada on February 06, 2018, 12:28:12 pm
man, i am just thinking what kinds of edicts a WISE emperor would get
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 01:07:43 pm
You decide to take a sip and immediately feel the effects. The drink starts rough and bitter, but then soothes your throat with honey-like coating. It goes down like thick syrup yet you feel it slosh in your belly with ease like water. You lick your lips and then tingle as your tongue gets a spike of sugary deliciousness on its tip.
Your mind clears and your feel a jolt of energy in your not-so-young-anymore bones and muscles.
"See, I told you it is good." Gea then spends a long while praising other effects of the mixture, namely that it flattens out wrinkles, helps with breath, with fever and aches, guarantees good sleep and no trouble getting up in the morning.
"I could send my herbal woman to you to prepare you some bottles? You drink a small cup once per day, preferably after morning meal. A bottle lasts me two weeks, or so."
You decide to...
A) Thank Gea for the wonderful healthy drink but pass on her offer.
B) Agree to have a herbal woman prepare drinks for you from now on.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 06, 2018, 01:10:57 pm
Post by: omada on February 06, 2018, 01:12:09 pm
B
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2018, 01:14:44 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 06, 2018, 01:21:06 pm
It will likely backfire somehow. Else all the other kings in the region would already be immortal.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 01:21:14 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 06, 2018, 01:22:30 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 06, 2018, 01:24:06 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 01:25:02 pm
Post by: Culise on February 06, 2018, 01:25:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 01:26:28 pm
bbbb
noooooooooo ;v
Post by: crazyabe on February 06, 2018, 01:30:28 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 06, 2018, 01:30:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 01:32:08 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 06, 2018, 01:33:07 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 02:01:05 pm
i never actually voted this time around so
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 06, 2018, 02:02:34 pm
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on February 06, 2018, 02:04:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 02:08:17 pm
Gea stays at the palace for few more days and then returns to her countryside manor.
1142 AD, Summer
Pleasant news reach your ears from the north; your daughter Eirika has become a mother again, giving Cidric another healthy son, which she named 'Cyl', after you.
Meanwhile, there's some malcontent growing in the far west, in lands that are on the border between Evalian and Felonsine regions; apparently most of the discontent comes from your oppressive rule, as well as your recent 'friendship' with Alldivines. Obviously those please neither the deeply Singularist Felonsines nor the local Pantheonist clergy.
You decide to...
A) Send in the Army to crack down on the uppity priests.
B) Ignore this for now, maybe they will quieten down by themselves.
C) Write a letter to the heads of congregations, urging them for calm.
D) Ask Leath to go and talk with the angry clerics himself to make use of his innate charisma.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2018, 02:09:20 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 06, 2018, 02:09:52 pm
edit anyway ignoring the fact im pretty sure b won D
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 06, 2018, 02:10:03 pm
Let out heir do something once in a while.
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 06, 2018, 02:11:01 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 02:11:16 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 02:15:35 pm
d
Post by: mightymushroom on February 06, 2018, 02:16:06 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 06, 2018, 02:17:26 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2018, 02:20:03 pm
Wait option B won didnt it? lol
edit anyway ignoring the fact im pretty sure b won D
Clearly it's the spirit of Luath, come back to save Cyl from a deadly drug. What a man, forgiving and helping his murderer for the good of the kingdom. ;.; We don't deserve him.
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 02:49:32 pm
B had more votes then A last round.
d
Pretty sure some people began to change their votes so I decided to just go with latest vote aka Elfy's 'A' V:
You send in Leath to talk to the angry peoples.
1142 AD, Midsummer
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7!*
Leath have masterfully used his skills and charisma to calm down the peoples, and even helped them find a way to use their energy for the good of the poor, setting up a charity (and apparently there's now a Pantheon minor deity of charity, Leath, ranked #112th).
People hail Leath as 'Peacemaker', due to his ability to bring peace and successfully conduct negotiations with upset peoples.
1142 AD, Autumn
Thunderstorms and hail have ravaged much of Methiantese farmlands this year!
However, the Hurthling's expertise and surplus foods from previous years averted a potentially disasterous starvation of your subjects. Phew!
1142 AD, Mid-Autumn
The fighting in Tirine has reignited; Elran IV is personally leading some forces against Ogan's nomads which attacked from north this time, numbering in excess of 20 thousand.
1142 AD, Late Autumn
News of wonderous discovery by Helliste sailors have reached the capital this month - a new mystical land has been discovered in the far east! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EonQ9ZHqOZo)
Apparently, the brave crews of 'Stormfisk' and 'Ringing Oxi' have traversed the treacherous and foggy Green Sea, a swamp-like shallow and muddy sea (or, depending on whom you ask, it's a sea-sized swamp), then braved the stormy and rocky channel, The Choke. Then they navigated through the magnificent Coral Sea, where coral trees shimmer up to 60ft into the skies, the ships meanwhile anchoring in few of most remote of Agaresian fishing villages.
From there, they continued onwards to the east. If the tale is really true, there they saw giant flying fish, islands peppered with silver sand, and crossed a yellow sea that was almost always stormy. Finally, they've reached distant lands far to the east, where even Agaresians and their war lizards were unheard of.
The land the Hellistes discovered is 'Gan Minsong'; a large kingdom of flatlands and several off-shore islands, populated by tall, rather fair-skinned peoples with triangular beards and slit-like eyes. They speak like frogs and wear finest clothing, and their women walk around bald. Their merchants and nobles dwell in manors apparently not constructed but grown from red clay that creates crimson trees which function like supports for ornate roofs and ceilings made of beautiful, sky-colored tiles of porcelain and glass.
The peasants of the land live extravaganly compared to peoples of, say, Cydwyl or Methiant, consuming luxurious meats, expensive spices and sweet fruits on regular basis, and their rulers apparently have access to delicacy that is made of milk, honey, pearls and even clouds themselves, apparently crated by Eoma, a female supreme deity of their divine pantheon (there's six or so deities in there), after she created the world, the Gan Minsong, and the seas.
The seamen's journey apparently took four years to get there and back to their homeland. On their two ships, they've brought whole loads of spices, delicate threadworm cloth, and crafts made of gemstones, glass and 'glazewood'; the latter is apparently dark, almost black timber coated in sticky substance that makes it gleam as if it was glazed porcelain.
Even now, Helliste noblemen and merchants alike are planning to set out to Gan Minsong, to establish trade with the rich and distant peoples of the land! A splendid opportunity to gain riches and access to eastern marvels, and surely the Cydwyls and Dahnians and maybe even Agaresians and Albions will try to get their hand in the sea trade!
...Pity you have no access to the sea. All you can is listen to rumors, o landlocked Emperor!
Few days later, you receive an Alldivine scribe and historian of some renown, Thaud Owalynn.
"Greetings, Emperor!" The old man bows deeply. "I have decided to begin my greatest work of quill and parchment. A history of modern Methiant, which of course cannot be described without the glorious reign of your dynasty. Several whole chapters will be devoted to your rule and the rule of your predecessors, and how each calamity and crisis was skillfully averted by all means possible. So, here I am, wishing to ask you a question; what is it that I should concentrate in the chapters dedicated to the rule of Yoean dynasty?"
You think he should concentrate on...
A) Your own lengthy, prosperous and honorable rule since year 1115 AD.
B) The prosperity and wealth of the nation and its peoples across the years.
C) The humble yet glorious beginnings and rise to power of Methiant under Yoe I and II.
D) The numerous reforms, innovations and inventions pursued by the Kingdom under Yoean dynasty.
E) Your Army's victorious battles and slaying of mighty beasts, in times old and new.
F) The steady unification of the region, either by conquest or alliances with Methiantese neighbours.
G) The constant struggle between the good people of Methiant and the dwarf-kind.
//You can choose two topics. Pick one topic twice if you want it to be the only detailed part of the whole!
Post by: Criptfeind on February 06, 2018, 02:55:15 pm
G
Dwarf hate+showing how well off we are without dwarfs. Sounds good.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 06, 2018, 02:57:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 03:00:47 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 06, 2018, 03:01:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 03:03:00 pm
No option to focus on the wrongs done to Methiant by dwarfkind? We could use some good anti-dwarf propaganda.
Hmmm okay :v
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 03:05:03 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on February 06, 2018, 03:06:23 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 06, 2018, 03:07:24 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 06, 2018, 03:09:14 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 06, 2018, 03:09:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 06, 2018, 03:09:33 pm
Changing to GE! Lets make an epic tale of combat and struggle. That should bring readers in.
If you do not scratch out your previous vote like a decent human being I swear to pantheon I will kick you out of voting process V:<
Post by: Weirdsound on February 06, 2018, 03:10:43 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 06, 2018, 03:14:15 pm
It's all fun and games until the dwarves invade us again.
Post by: crazyabe on February 06, 2018, 03:16:05 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 06, 2018, 03:26:57 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 06, 2018, 03:29:28 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 06, 2018, 03:29:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 06, 2018, 03:39:19 pm
I hate the dwarves as much as anyone else. But you know what, the only one who's had trouble with them is Cyl. (How short our memories.) (Heh, short.)
The dwarves are better served by leaving them out of the book.
C should include healthy doses of F and some D in the course of writing, but hopefully the dynastic focus will improve I.Auth.
If I was sure there would be a positive effect I might vote B for money, but that's stretching my faith too far.
Post by: omada on February 06, 2018, 03:41:45 pm
Let's register us as a glorious land of the future
we can only dream? with money and cydwyl help we can make ourselves a way to the sea, over helliste corpses if needed
Post by: mightymushroom on February 06, 2018, 03:47:11 pm
Post by: omada on February 06, 2018, 03:55:17 pm
Maybe we could share those buried records about our family – the ones that made it look like a mystical connection between Yoe I and the founder of the Alldivines?yep, just "offer him" an option to see our personal records
Post by: Baffler on February 06, 2018, 04:33:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 06, 2018, 04:34:23 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 06, 2018, 04:36:36 pm
Maybe we could share those buried records about our family – the ones that made it look like a mystical connection between Yoe I and the founder of the Alldivines?
Why isn't this an option? We set those aside for later use IIRC
Post by: Kashyyk on February 06, 2018, 04:49:30 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 06, 2018, 05:26:41 pm
NEVER FORGET THE SCEPTER BETRAYAL.
Post by: helmacon on February 06, 2018, 05:28:21 pm
Post by: melkor on February 06, 2018, 06:21:43 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 07:03:14 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 08:19:15 am
NEVER FORGET THE SCEPTER BETRAYAL.
I'd like to point out that we avenged the loss of the Rainbow Scepter by taking the territory of Zasitost. Shortly thereafter our efforts there yielded a population increase that increased our tax income. A little while after that we got the Mixed Metals mine in formerly dwarf lands. We've held the land long enough that it has, in fact, repaid the monetary cost of the scepter, and also of the payment to the dwarves that ended the war on that occasion. It could even be argued that it has repaid the cost of buying extra food in years of bad weather.
The Great Betrayal struck me very personally: this all went down right after the prophecy was delivered and I had just made an effort (apparently successful) to persuade everyone to attack Ceodwell and leave Zasitost in peace. I was doing my level best to preserve good relations. If they had demanded outright, "Give us more money or we'll destroy your Scepter," I probably would have voted to pay. It was the unjust pretense to which I objected; and even then I only voted for a negotiation that failed and not outright refusal.
But as I said, we took a revenge that in cash has brought us at least even and probably a little ahead in the long run. Perhaps Cyl (nor I) can not forget. Yet cooler heads might conclude, rightly or wrongly, that further enmity is a worse threat to the Empire than a diplomatically convenient amnesia.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 10:56:55 am
They destroyed the scepter
We destroyed Zasitost
We're even now
They invaded us for destroying Zasitost
Now we owe the dwarves revenge.
They invaded us for destroying Zasitost AGAIN
Now we owe the dwarves revenge twice over and they've basically proven we can't "forget" because even when they are ahead on the revenge wheel they'll still going to periodically fuck us over.
Remember, an eye for an eye leads to your enemies being blinded as you gorge out their last eye, making them unable to take out your own eyes! The dwarves have two lumpy ocular lobes left to scrape out of this land.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 07, 2018, 11:02:05 am
Post by: Haspen on February 07, 2018, 11:52:14 am
Oh well.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 07, 2018, 11:54:15 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 11:54:43 am
Post by: Arlos on February 07, 2018, 12:03:15 pm
Post by: Imic on February 07, 2018, 12:14:22 pm
Did they get a new ruler, or was there some political scandal or something? Or were they always like this, just not openly?
Post by: Baffler on February 07, 2018, 12:28:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 07, 2018, 01:25:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 01:51:46 pm
Spamkingdom 2 ended when 3 people managed to vote for a guy that acted as an honorable and loyal vassal for almost as long as Cyl has been around to suddenly rebel against his liege over a misunderstanding, a rebellion that had absolutely no chance of success.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 07, 2018, 02:06:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 02:37:32 pm
I think the main conflict with the Dwarves is that both Cyl and them are to stubborn and unwilling to let things go. Once we go to Leath we could probably salvage relations though. Since Leath seems to be the type that just wants to keep the peace rather than expand or get revenge like his father. At least that is how he comes off to me.+1
Cyl does not have a personality that is real or stable in the normal sense, but I have been trained by the course of his reign to play Cyl more aggressively than I would/will with Leath. This informs my pattern of votes. Thus when we did play Leath I sided against Cyl even when I think Cyl's actions were fairly defensible, because Leath's mind is not Cyl's mind. Even if you consider this sort of imputed stuff to be pointless, then mechanically Leath's charismatic trait is better suited to pursuing negotiations on every side than to losing yet another war against the dwarves.
Which surprises me that you people don't take the easy route and just butter dwarves up with cash v;Which is why it is dangerous to omit the discussion of money in dwarven dealings. Then we are only left with an disastrous cycle of hatred.
Replacing it with an apparently endless cycle of extortion is barely more palatable, though.
And more specifically to the vote at hand, I just don't understand what purpose is served by making a history of our lands into an anti-dwarf screed. If the book has no effect (unlikely in this game) then we wasted an opportunity to glorify ourselves instead of dwelling on our enemies. If it has a bad effect, our pettiness may go so far as to trigger a third invasion, when the army is in the same shape as during the second. But what is the good effect? ??? (Serious question. I don't have a guess.)
If we must have revenge, well then revenge is a dish best served cold.
We, the brain trust of Methiant, are hardly likely to forget. We don't need to remind the NPCs before we have the means to follow through.
Maybe they feel threatened by human nations now that they've started advancing out of medieval stasis? Humans destroying Zasitost would have been unthinkable not so long ago.And I would suggest that Zonalath seems to be a softer target than Ankurvat in case our future bends toward a more dwarf challenging status. And when Ankurvat has no backup . . . . We'd have to be very strong but we are innovating.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 02:57:23 pm
Personally I disagree with that. By creating a loosely set procedure of how our character acts, and following the theme, the overall game becomes a little bit more enriched. Of course we're gonna be voting based on our own personal opinion, but I feel like that opinion can be molded (along with the options and situation given to us by the Haspen) by our previous actions and by extension the personality of how the character has acted.
Feel free to vote however you want and whatever you think makes sense given the situation. I just find the argument that the character we control has any set personality to follow pretty hollow. It's just whatever the players want, and not always even the same players. Unless we get a negative trait that forces us to take certain options.
But what is the good effect? ??? (Serious question. I don't have a guess.)
It's hard to tell if there's a possible good effect, but I suggest that sometimes roleplaying and following ones goals is worth more then taking the always mechanically expedient option :P
More seriously: Turning the other kingdoms against the dwarves would be highly beneficial. It might be hard for us to kill them ourselves, but if we could get a real coalition together I think we could take them out (and who better to bring together such a group then a Charismatic Emperor...) Also there's been mechanical bonuses to racism before. In spamkingdom 1 we fought a bunch of human supremacists that got bonuses against our non human forces because of their fervor.
Also who knows, maybe we'll somehow get the attention the elves. Traditionally they aren't that great, but if they'd actually help us fight the dwarves that could go a long way towards negating the dwarven magical advantage.
Post by: Baffler on February 07, 2018, 03:00:05 pm
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And more specifically to the vote at hand, I just don't understand what purpose is served by making a history of our lands into an anti-dwarf screed. If the book has no effect (unlikely in this game) then we wasted an opportunity to glorify ourselves instead of dwelling on our enemies. If it has a bad effect, our pettiness may go so far as to trigger a third invasion, when the army is in the same shape as during the second. But what is the good effect? ??? (Serious question. I don't have a guess.)
If we must have revenge, well then revenge is a dish best served cold.
We, the brain trust of Methiant, are hardly likely to forget. We don't need to remind the NPCs before we have the means to follow through.
I'm convinced. Changing my vote to DF.
Post by: Imic on February 07, 2018, 03:55:56 pm
We could, possibly, refuse to make any kind of deal with the dwarves from now on, refuse them any kind of trade or even recognition that they exist once we've finished paying them off. That generally tends to have a very clear and lasting affect on people, the dwarves possibly even more so, since wpif we only talk about the dwarves behind closed doors, and silently curse them under our breath while barely noticing them, that means less money from trade or crafting from people who refuse to see them.
Random thought, though it'll probably never happen.
Post by: Haspen on February 07, 2018, 04:29:44 pm
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You ask him to concentrate on the new inventions and reforms pushed in the region by your dynasty, as well as the continuing process of unification of the local peoples under your dynasty's wise and just rule.
"It will take few years to complete, but the moment my masterpiece is finished, a copy shall be transcribed and sent to you, your Majesty." The historian bows and leaves to begin his writing work.
1142 AD, Winter
Gemstones and gold arrive in your Treasury, the silver is sent to dwarves.
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It's been bad year for trading, though; metals provide no profits while glass does not sell well either.
1142 AD, Midwinter
Another wave of riots have occured in Methiant! This time, the unrest is at southern lands, near border with Lametania. Numerous folk there are 'enraged' by the state's inability to protect their native Pantheonist beliefs from outside influences, as well as inability to get things done over the years.
Really, those are some rather uncouth types rioting down there.
A) Another day of work for Leath it seems!
B) I will write a letter and then will calm down.
C) Oh, some target practice for the Army!
D) Eh, I can afford to ignore those riots.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 04:31:15 pm
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Post by: Haspen on February 07, 2018, 05:01:33 pm
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He solves the crisis once again, although there were few casualties amongst the most rude and stubborn of unhappy pesants.
1142 AD, Late Winter
You receive news that your half-sister Isha have died after falling from a horse during a ride through her estate's forest. A sad day and very unfortunate accident, alas.
1142 AD, End of the Year
You sip on the ale and tap the fingers on the table. The freezing rain and thick dark clouds outside do not help brightening your day. And it is the last day of the year, the Advisor will soon come with Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
There he is!
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: 0
You cannot help but notice the obvious.
"My liege, our Treasury is almost empty! We've ought to take some measures to keep it afloat and hope for better profits from trade next year. Will be undercutting Army budget or maybe higher taxes for a year a better idea?"
A) "Neither!"
B) "Taxes!"
C) "Why not both?"
D) "Budget cuts!"
"The Council has further repaired your authority to an average level of respect amongst your subjects. Mayhaps this is the good moment to issue an Edict, my liege?"
A) "Of course!"
B) "Not yet."
"I'm proud to announce that loyal royal scribes have updated the map of our region once again! Take a look your Majesty."
Spoiler: The Local Map of Politics and Geography, ho! (click to show/hide)
And as a special update, Yoean family tree!
Spoiler: Names and Dates, oh my! (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Kashyyk on February 07, 2018, 05:08:20 pm
Raising taxes will just put our happiness back in the toilet, whereas we can now rescind the recruitment offices.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 05:09:32 pm
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Leath is so good at calming rebellions that we can afford unhappiness. Literally +3 he can't lose!
Meanwhile, with the army up to 7, we should use our edict to cancel recruiting offices and save money that way.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 07, 2018, 05:10:18 pm
Though we should keep recruitment and do that one tax edict.
Post by: helmacon on February 07, 2018, 05:11:03 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 05:37:11 pm
Between Leath and our Martial Sons, we should be able to deal with the consequences of unhappiness.
I am against repealing the recruitment offices though.
Post by: Haspen on February 07, 2018, 05:38:23 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 05:41:23 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 07, 2018, 05:44:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 05:45:09 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 07, 2018, 05:46:25 pm
Should stop most of the common rebellions in their tracks.
Post by: ZBridges on February 07, 2018, 05:47:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 05:52:38 pm
Seriously. We have natural growth thanks to professional army. We're coming up against a hard cap I believe either this year or the next. We will be paying for nothing; shutting down the special incentives frees up money without raising another tax.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 05:59:29 pm
Revoke Recruitment Offices
Seriously. We have natural growth thanks to professional army. We're coming up against a hard cap I believe either this year or the next. We will be paying for nothing; shutting down the special incentives frees up money without raising another tax.
I think a major war in the future is likely enough to justify keeping the recruiting offices. I know I'll be voting to march at the next lucrative opprotunity.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 06:08:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 06:15:18 pm
Don't we have a potential army cap of 12? (Imperial brings us to 10, and the high economy bonus brought it even higher, but I'm not sure if that's still active or not) Either way we're at least a two years out from having to worry about hitting the cap since we just cut their budget. Potentially three. Maybe we'll turn it off in a year or two when we're actually near the cap, but I don't think we should turn it off now when we've still got a ways to go and no idea when the west is going to go down in flames... And also toggling it on and off seeeeems like we might be able to find something better to do with our edicts. Maybe we can hire our army out as mercenaries or something in quite years instead.
We did cut our budget back to where it was before the high economy, a year or two back.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 07, 2018, 06:16:17 pm
We need those offices, guys. It also doesn't seem to actually cost much to maintain.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 06:24:55 pm
HOWEVER, even when as a kingdom we could grow to 10, our army asked for more budget at 7:
1125 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor seems particularily happy when he walks into your study with Scrolls of Kingdom Status, and you soon learn why:
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 7
Army: 7
Your wife, seated besides you, sighs from excitement.
"My liege, while our country grows, the officers and the Marshal concluded that we ought to take advantage of our booming economy and expand the budget of the Army. While it is well maintained, it only allows for mediocre amount of soldiers. Greater spending would allow for more men, horses and garrisons to be kept around the sundial."
A) "Agree, let's expand the military budget, for the glory of Methiant!"
B) "Just because we're rich now doesn't mean we will be rich tomorrow."
Looking back, it seems the D votes to cut the army budget narrowly squeaked through. This repeals both of our previous expansions, in which case we may be at the army cap right now.
I think a major war in the future is likely enough to justify keeping the recruiting offices. I know I'll be voting to march at the next lucrative opprotunity.
Recruiting offices have a roll associated. It looks to be spending 1 gold* for a 50% chance of recruiting 1 extra army. It may be necessary if we have a critical shortage, such as dwarves knocking us down to 1, but it seems to me almost anything else on the edict list would offer cooler, unique benefits so long as the army is even moderately healthy.
How badly are you spending our youth in this hypothetical war?
*I admit that with our yo-yo finances it's hard to tell. But I'm reasonably sure anything that expands the bureaucracy expands its spending.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 07, 2018, 06:53:10 pm
I could be convinced to switch to Shadowranks or the Diplomatic Corps, but this is my preferred choice.
I'm also morally opposed to enacting a bill of rights! Why on Earth would we ever want to do that?
Post by: Taricus on February 07, 2018, 06:53:55 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 07, 2018, 07:00:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 07:02:07 pm
Establish Passage Tax
I could be convinced to switch to Shadowranks or the Diplomatic Corps, but this is my preferred choice.
I'm also morally opposed to enacting a bill of rights! Why on Earth would we ever want to do that?
Boost to happiness that costs no money. I'd honestly vote for it if we didn't need the money.
How badly are you spending our youth in this hypothetical war?
Depends. It is hard to make long term plans in this game, but now that we have Leath the Peacemaker to bail us out of any wars that go bad, I'm not opposed to just fighting until our army is depleted, resting until it is restored, and repeating for as long as Cyl lives and we have good excuses to fight.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 07:14:04 pm
Being an empire lets our resources potentially grow to 12.
HOWEVER, even when as a kingdom we could grow to 10, our army asked for more budget at 7:
Right. So, we can go up to 12, and we had the option to increase spending to increase that to 14, which we took, but then dropped down to 12 to lower spending. It doesn't seem super likely that we'll be stuck on 8 after all that, even if we have to pay more money to go up (but that seemed to be connected, potentially, to being a kingdom) that sounds fine to me.
Considering we have Sorta hostile (although silent) empires to the east and south, a probably hostile massive kingdom to the west, a massive Horde to the west, lizard riders who hate us to the north, and two dwarven kingdoms that seem to be looking for any excuse to attack, I think keeping our army high should be a priority right now. Even if it means we're hurting on money for a little bit.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 07, 2018, 08:14:12 pm
Post by: omada on February 07, 2018, 08:40:02 pm
every one
at once
kidding
step 1) passage tax (+ money - merchants)
step 2) diplomatic corps (+ chance of merchants desiring our lands)
if the money goes in steadily
step 3) Settlement Policy (+pop =+taxes ,+ !!fun!! when hapiness low)
and then whatever, maybe arts, we could sell the arts abroad, how much we can exploit the art edict to create crafts from our metals/glassware?
emergency
Fucking low hapiness = bill of rights
Fucking angry neighboors = shadowranks
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 07, 2018, 08:41:55 pm
Passage Tax
passage tax again
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 07, 2018, 09:11:41 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 07, 2018, 09:28:56 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 07, 2018, 09:34:55 pm
Our happiness is kinda fucked as-is, and given that every rebellion has been about our oppressive rule. . .we could try being less oppressive
Post by: helmacon on February 07, 2018, 09:35:43 pm
Passage Tax
+1
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 07, 2018, 09:46:47 pm
we could try being less oppressive
You mean, like creating some sort of legal code that gives basic protections and protections from abuse for all citizens?
Post by: birdy51 on February 07, 2018, 09:58:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 07, 2018, 10:07:13 pm
No, no, we shouldn't codify it, because then when we later do need to abuse our citizens we'll just have problems. Instead, we should just be informally nicer to them so they stop wanting silly things like "rights".we could try being less oppressive
You mean, like creating some sort of legal code that gives basic protections and protections from abuse for all citizens?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 10:17:37 pm
Being an empire lets our resources potentially grow to 12.
HOWEVER, even when as a kingdom we could grow to 10, our army asked for more budget at 7:
Right. So, we can go up to 12, and we had the option to increase spending to increase that to 14, which we took, but then dropped down to 12 to lower spending. It doesn't seem super likely that we'll be stuck on 8 after all that, even if we have to pay more money to go up (but that seemed to be connected, potentially, to being a kingdom) that sounds fine to me.
I understood that request to imply that the Professional Army rules capped at 7 or 8 regardless of how the other resources went. I see why you might interpret it differently; since we've not ever been told clearly that we're stuck I can hardly say, "Aha! There's the cap!"
Then of course, if you do not believe we are near the cap you will have far less urgency to repeal recruitment. Nevertheless my opinion is that we don't need it when the army is in moderate shape and that we can spend that money more profitably or just more interestingly elsewhere.
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Depends. It is hard to make long term plans in this game, but now that we have Leath the Peacemaker to bail us out of any wars that go bad, I'm not opposed to just fighting until our army is depleted, resting until it is restored, and repeating for as long as Cyl lives and we have good excuses to fight.
That sounds reprehensibly irresponsible to me. I doubt we ought to count on Leath as a hard counter to every threat: what of beasts, dragons, people with negotiators of their own, or who just refuse to talk? And again, our army does grow without it: to the extent that Leath-leveraging would work, it does just as well with a bit more delay between conquests.
We should promote more innovations than fireblood designs. Do you wish to be known as one who understands only the words violence and money, but with less money? New territories rarely contain notable resources right away. They suck resources from rebuilding and discontent instead. We need decently sized periods of peace for the people to prosper and create new opportunities for investment and discovery.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 07, 2018, 10:59:56 pm
We should promote more innovations than fireblood designs. Do you wish to be known as one who understands only the words violence and money, but with less money? New territories rarely contain notable resources right away. They suck resources from rebuilding and discontent instead. We need decently sized periods of peace for the people to prosper and create new opportunities for investment and discovery.
That is what Cyl's successor can do. Cyl is a conqueror. Somebody else can develop the Empire later.
If we can get away with Marching both Cyl and one of his Martial sons, we can take a +3 bonus to most of our rolls while fighting an offensive war. Cyl will not be around forever, so we should exploit that while we can.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 07, 2018, 11:03:38 pm
Then of course, if you do not believe we are near the cap you will have far less urgency to repeal recruitment. Nevertheless my opinion is that we don't need it when the army is in moderate shape and that we can spend that money more profitably or just more interestingly elsewhere.
Considering the potential threats we have, leaving the army just in "moderate" shape really doesn't seem to be good enough. If the dwarves bust down our doors with another 20k, or an empire attacks, or whatever, we really don't wanta be pissing about with only 7 army because we spent it on things "just more interestingly elsewhere". That seems "reprehensibly irresponsible" to me. Besides, we can and do just cut normal army funding when we need the cash anyway. Which is equivalent to cutting the edict, except it doesn't cost us two years of edicts and 2 imperial authority. So until we want to shut down the army entirely it seems like that's a better and more flexible cost saving measure than cutting the edict anyway.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 07, 2018, 11:55:29 pm
Change to Establish Passage Tax.
Since I'm not convincing anybody I'll switch tactics this year and see where the scrolls end up next.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 12:05:24 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 08, 2018, 12:08:33 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 12:35:52 am
Maybe once we build our army back up, we tell the dwarves that we've simply decided they're not worthy of the remainder of the treaty money.
That is a good way to wind up fighting a defensive war. If we fight the dwarves, we might as well bring the fight to them to get our conqueror's bonus and a chance to take their land.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 08, 2018, 02:41:53 am
Remember how angry we were when they sent assassins to a peace talk? Both times we burned an entire city to the ground.
...thinking of that, we haven't had anyone attack us while offering peace for a long time, maybe that actually became a well known thing?
Establish Passage Tax
While a bill of rights will help happiness (for FREE I might as, a bargain!) we need MONEY.
We should NOT do the settlement policy until we have spending under control and more income. This is basically the colonize action in EU4 and let me tell you, that can bankrupt you fast!
Post by: Imic on February 08, 2018, 02:47:13 am
passage tax will likely give us a 1 eco bonus, a the cost to a -1 on trade goods rolls.+1
Passage Tax
+1
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 08, 2018, 10:41:46 am
+1passage tax will likely give us a 1 eco bonus, a the cost to a -1 on trade goods rolls.+1
Passage Tax
+1
Post by: mightymushroom on February 08, 2018, 12:17:17 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 08, 2018, 12:27:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 02:57:58 pm
1143 AD, Summer
Travelers coming from the southeast, crossing into Ceodwell, brought terrible news!
Apparently, there's an outbreak of plague in Gubta Empire. The Emperor wronged his gods, they say, and whole of his Empire has been punished for it with fever, pains and pus-filled bubbles on skin. While most of the Gubtan peoples are fleeing eastwards, some are fleeing westwards. A hearsay seems to indicate that Parsians aren't keen on refugees and has been turning away Gubtans from their borders and roads; killing those who dare resist dismissal. Few thus taken through Ironbone Mountains, to avoid Shapur's men and arrive in Ceodwell region safely.
According to Ceodwellian governor, there has already been several hundred Gubtan refugees in past month, and some people grow anxious that these escapees might bring plague to Methiant also.
A) Bring them all in, we will heal them and invite them to be our subjects!
B) We will simply monitor the situation for now.
C) Patrols on the roads and borders, anyone coming from Gubta is to be turned back, and killed if they try something funny.
D) Tighten the security on the border, and check for ill persons; the rest can come.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 08, 2018, 03:03:56 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 08, 2018, 03:05:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 03:05:54 pm
I'd imagine the Passage Tax will actually help here. Some of the sick may be too poor or wretched to pay the toll.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 08, 2018, 03:08:53 pm
We might be able to drag a population unit out of this, but we risk getting plague ourselves.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 08, 2018, 03:13:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 03:25:50 pm
1143 AD, Midsummer
Peoples of Donuth report having problems with some birdmen, apparently; there were sightings of the birdmen in previous year, but this summer few of them have had the audacity to swoop down to steal a sheep or rob a traveling adventurer or two.
The locals have already scouted a bit and determined that there are now several settlements of the birdmen in the Rainbow Lizard Mountains, where there were none such hamlets in previous decade! Very curious, and for Donuth peoples, a problem that needs cleansing.
A) Time to establish some proper contact with the bird peoples, who might be simply unaccustomed to local practices and law.
B) And that's not my problem, the Donuthians seem to already have this in their hands.
C) Actual target practice for the Army? Yes?
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 08, 2018, 03:28:21 pm
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Post by: milo christiansen on February 08, 2018, 03:30:12 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 03:31:05 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 08, 2018, 03:31:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 03:33:54 pm
Leath approaches you very soon.
"Father, can I go? Mayhaps I can bring us new, feathery allies into Methiant!"
A) "No, you're too important to me and the Empire; I will send one of my diplomats instead."
B) "Agreed! May your skills and charisma bring peace to the Empire once more!"
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 08, 2018, 03:35:07 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 08, 2018, 03:38:00 pm
Also I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time we've met the bird people, and we couldn't make peaceable contact with them the first time.
Post by: omada on February 08, 2018, 03:38:44 pm
New goal, make leath be considered a major god of the pantheon before he sits the throne
his spheres will be peace, charity and diplomacy
his majestic marble statue will show diverse races hugging him with tear on it's eyes because of the failings of their past while a minor birdman sits on his arm with a face of pure admiration (and a small engraving on a book of someone says "haiku with birdman 101 by Yoe")
Post by: Kashyyk on February 08, 2018, 03:39:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 03:41:52 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 08, 2018, 03:43:37 pm
adventure!
Post by: crazyabe on February 08, 2018, 03:43:55 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 08, 2018, 03:49:01 pm
Also getting out son eaten by bird people is sure to lower authority.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 08, 2018, 03:52:35 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 08, 2018, 03:56:09 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 08, 2018, 03:57:02 pm
Post by: melkor on February 08, 2018, 04:00:45 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 08, 2018, 04:05:10 pm
Post by: omada on February 08, 2018, 04:07:40 pm
the bird man we just ignored
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 04:15:26 pm
1143 AD, Late Summer
Quote
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Most terrible news reach your court. Leath and his group have managed to establish contact with the birdmen, who were found to be primitives. Either he angered them in some way or they decided to get him out of their mountains, because a skirmish occured and Leath has been wounded in the abdomen by their spears, and several of his guards were killed (and so were few of the birdmen).
The remaining part of the group have taken Leath to a nearest village to put him under care of healers ASAP.
You eagerly await any news about your beloved son.
One week later
Quote
1
You whisper his name but he does not respond. You look at his face but it is pale and devoid of life.
Your son and heir, Leath, have died of his wounds. The guards brought his corpse, wrapped in finest of white linen, just this night, away from people's eyes, to the capital and to your palace.
Already the birdmen are being hunted by some of your soldiers and peoples of Donuth as punishment for this most sacriledgeous of murders. As Leath's second son is too young and Houlandin is an adult, the council gathers to determine the next heir.
Both your chief advisors and the Council of Statesmen believe that Houlandin should be annoited as the next heir to the throne of Methiant Empire, considering his experience, skills and reputation, even if by the current laws of succession it's Leath's son, Anwyn, who should be officially annoited as heir.
A) Houlandin has definitely earned this honor; when time comes, he will succeed me as the next Emperor of Methiant.
B) We cannot go against laws and traditions of our nation! The little Anwyn will be the next in line to Methiantese throne.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 04:17:34 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 08, 2018, 04:21:04 pm
Houladin is the best son anyways.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 08, 2018, 04:23:43 pm
A
At least until Anwyn is old enough to show a talent Houlandin will be the clear favorite around here.
The only real sticking point is what will the Parsians think, since Anwyn is son of their princess?
I kinda hope we get a second chance to decide when that talent comes in.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 08, 2018, 04:26:44 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 08, 2018, 04:28:17 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 08, 2018, 04:28:22 pm
A it is.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 04:32:52 pm
We suck at keeping our kids alive.
We should really marry again, and get to work on another batch.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 08, 2018, 04:33:30 pm
A
Still, time for Houlandin to take over the world?
Post by: Arlos on February 08, 2018, 04:34:48 pm
This is why I wanted to send some random schmuck. RIP Leath. We suck at keeping our kids alive.I'd say we suck at making decision, we advance when we should retreat, retreat when we should advance, and do bold things when we should be cautious*sigh* worst is, we never learn.
A it is.
A
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 04:47:01 pm
I'd say we suck at making decision, we advance when we should retreat, retreat when we should advance, and do bold things when we should be cautious*sigh* worst is, we never learn.
And das why I love you guys sometimes <3
You decide there's no other way than to have Houlandin as the next heir to the throne of Methiant Empire.
1143 AD, Autumn
Apparently, Elran IV of Eldrican has settled for peace with Ogan; a tribute of silver for next five years probably sweetened the deal.
There's an urgent report from Ceodwell, awaiting your review, but one of your servants have just come in; the Spymaster have something to tell you, and it's apparently important.
A) Report first, please.
B) Let the Spymaster in.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 04:48:03 pm
B could be anything, so lets hear it first.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 08, 2018, 04:48:48 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 08, 2018, 04:52:58 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 08, 2018, 04:54:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 08, 2018, 04:59:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 08, 2018, 04:59:32 pm
"My liege, I bring reports from my agents in the west. Apparently, Elran IV have procured arms and mercenaries from dwarves of Zonalath, Ankurvat and Vabokam, in exchange for some land on the very westernmost tip of Rainbow Lizard Mountains, and gold mines located there."
Terrible, but what you can do?
"And for the more important thing. My agents have managed to intercept a letter sent under secrecy by late Leath's wife, Abis. It has been adressed to King Shapur of Parsia, but my agents haven't broken the seal, and await your instructions."
You decide to...
A) Let the letter reach its destination undisturbed.
B) Have it open and its contents reported to you.
C) Send it, intact, to you, so you can chat with Abis first.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 08, 2018, 05:00:37 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 08, 2018, 05:03:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 08, 2018, 05:03:41 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 08, 2018, 05:13:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 05:24:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 08, 2018, 05:34:43 pm
Anyone taking bets that it's about her kid being left off the succession?
Post by: Weirdsound on February 08, 2018, 06:05:33 pm
C
Anyone taking bets that it's about her kid being left off the succession?
It could be that, or it could be just a plain 'boo-hoo my husband is dead, pity me pls' type letter.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 08, 2018, 07:25:24 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 09, 2018, 01:04:32 am
Post by: helmacon on February 09, 2018, 02:12:50 am
Post by: Imic on February 09, 2018, 02:51:22 am
Post by: omada on February 09, 2018, 06:35:21 am
it's wasn't a tottaly bad decision, i didn't expected a 3 (i expected the peacemaker would force us to have a 4 at minimun)
and i really didn't expected a 3 killing our son
even less two 1 in a row, but whatever, let's raise a cup of wine to RNG and pray he isn't too harsh to us
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 09, 2018, 07:28:09 am
You guys done fucked up and killed our son who was literally a god in one of our religions. I just... why? Why do we do this? :(
We did pick the option with the highest odds of success. Sometimes the RNG just elects to fuck us and there's nothing to be done about it. Just gotta hedge your bets and keep going. Luckily we have a fairly expansive dynasty at the moment, and maybe Abis can resolve any differences with Houlandin by having him assassinated or something.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 09, 2018, 07:37:13 am
Post by: Haspen on February 09, 2018, 10:07:58 am
Sometimes the RNG just elects to fuck us and there's nothing to be done about it.
You wanna know my reaction when those rolls happened?
(https://i.imgur.com/ry8aaKg.gif)
You tell the Spymaster to bring the letter back to the palace.
After that, you read the report from Ceodwell.
Apparently, there has been more sick peoples coming through the mountains than previously. The governors wonder if the current policy is adequate in preventing the dreaded plague from reaching Methiant (or at least, Ceodwell lands), or mayhaps the borders should be closed.
A) Nah, we doin' fine, no need to get harsher against those poor souls.
B) Let's turn peoples away from our lands, just to be extra sure.
Post by: melkor on February 09, 2018, 10:09:08 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 09, 2018, 10:17:56 am
Plague is sorta a big deal in olden times you know?
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 09, 2018, 10:20:49 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 09, 2018, 10:30:53 am
Not to mention that in real life the places that were spared the worst of the black death were the places that closed their borders and instituted strict controls against the plague.
The plague and it's spread isn't an inevitability, it can be fought against. If this is a black plague expy it absolutely should be fought against, because any minor population benefit we get from accepting refugees is going to be totally wiped out when 60% of our population dies to the plague.
Also just cuz this is bothering me, I'm going to do a mini rant on sending our heir to the birdmen.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 09, 2018, 10:42:09 am
On the other hand, we haven't offended any of Gubta's gods so far as we know. So maybe we're safe.
Indeed, any Grace who shows up is welcome to preach and teach in Methiant. :P
B
We already instructed the patrols to turn away sick persons. This is a warning that they're having too much trouble separating the populations.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 09, 2018, 10:50:21 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 09, 2018, 11:06:09 am
Post by: Baffler on February 09, 2018, 12:21:20 pm
Post by: omada on February 09, 2018, 12:31:03 pm
and hope the damdamians get REAALLYY screwed trying to convert these people or wage war against gutba
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 09, 2018, 12:39:37 pm
Even if it did, though, border controls could and did go a long way to mitigating its spread.
Anyway, B.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 09, 2018, 12:46:27 pm
Post by: Imic on February 09, 2018, 02:32:16 pm
The word "plague" does not necessarily refer to the Black Plague specifically. I doubt the Black Plague in particular even exists as such in this setting.DON'T
GIVE
HASPEN
ANY
FUCKING
IDEAS
Post by: Haspen on February 09, 2018, 02:57:11 pm
A week later, the letter written by Abis to Shapur of Parsia ends in your hands. She has sealed it with her personal seal.
You decide to...
A) Wave the letter in front of her eyes without a word, then tear it apart.
B) Publicly read the letter, so that all might know about her sneaky treachery!
C) Have a private talk with her about the letter.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 09, 2018, 02:59:06 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 09, 2018, 03:02:00 pm
A be a huge jerk and possibly miss some important info
B Comically make a huge fool of yourself
C The only thing here that makes sense and isn't over the top
I vote C
Post by: Weirdsound on February 09, 2018, 03:10:55 pm
Post by: Culise on February 09, 2018, 03:16:05 pm
C. Those cake recipes are national secrets, after all.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 09, 2018, 03:16:43 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 09, 2018, 03:29:34 pm
Can we read it before calling her in for a little discussion? It'd be awkward if we called her in to have a discussion about how she dared to share secret Meliantese cake recipes with her father.
That actually seems ruder, to me. I'd prefer to say, calmly and sympathetically, something like "I won't open your private mail, but I'm concerned to know that you are sending secret messages. Is there something you would like to talk about?"
Post by: mightymushroom on February 09, 2018, 03:34:15 pm
C
Surely our Spymaster would not bring the matter to our attention if it were not grave. ;)
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 09, 2018, 03:39:31 pm
Who said it was done in secret?
"And for the more important thing. My agents have managed to intercept a letter sent under secrecy by late Leath's wife, Abis. It has been adressed to King Shapur of Parsia, but my agents haven't broken the seal, and await your instructions."The Spymaster. :P
Oh yeah, also, C
Post by: Criptfeind on February 09, 2018, 03:51:33 pm
Post by: omada on February 09, 2018, 04:16:57 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 09, 2018, 05:11:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 09, 2018, 05:31:44 pm
When she sits down and notices the letter, she is incredibly pissed off.
"Who are you to intercept my personal letter sent to my father? Am I some sort of political prisoner here, my correspondence read and my activities recorded? Do tell, am I also watched through the walls by your agents, just in case I might be plotting something against your Empire in my bedchambers?
A) "No, but I did consider that possibility, you know."
B) "I want answers, not questions!"
C) "Your irritation is proof that you're hiding something! To dungeon with you!"
D) "Apologies, it was dishonorable to intercept your letter."
Post by: Kashyyk on February 09, 2018, 05:33:37 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 09, 2018, 05:35:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 09, 2018, 05:49:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 09, 2018, 06:12:09 pm
If her letters are harmless, she wouldn't have taken measures to send them in secrecy. Don't fall for her sob story.
Post by: crazyabe on February 09, 2018, 06:26:39 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 09, 2018, 06:39:53 pm
Yeah, it sucks. And I wish I didn't have to worry about my family plotting behind my back.
I don't think either of us gets what what we want tonight.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 09, 2018, 06:45:50 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 09, 2018, 06:51:11 pm
"Who are you to intercept my personal letter sent to my father?Oh you know no one important. Just the Emperor of the empire you live in and the man who passed up your child's chance of inheriting said empire. Also the man who won the bloody civil war that our uncle started when we were a child to take our throne from us. So not really someone who would have experience with unhappy lines of succession. ::) Why would we possibly suspect you of devious actions in any way or form?
A
Post by: melkor on February 09, 2018, 07:40:07 pm
A
Post by: omada on February 09, 2018, 08:02:27 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 09, 2018, 08:08:22 pm
What Weirdsound said. Why are you getting all uppity about it?
Post by: Criptfeind on February 09, 2018, 08:12:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 09, 2018, 08:18:45 pm
bbb
d
She looks infuriated by now.
"No wonder, you always make the bad decisions, Emperor! And you removed my children from being able to inherit the throne of Methiant! Did I marry leath, spend the years here, nursed the little ones, only to be discarded like this?"
You can't help but notice that she still avoids the topic of the letter.
A) "I want answers, not questions!"
B) "Apologies, it was dishonorable to intercept your letter."
C) "Your irritation is proof that you're hiding something! To dungeon with you!"
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 09, 2018, 08:23:40 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 09, 2018, 08:25:02 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 09, 2018, 08:51:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 09, 2018, 09:02:27 pm
The longer this goes on the more I think it's going to be nothing. We should have just had the letter opened, then we'd know by now.
(BTW, why doesn't the Spymaster have a copy of important people's personal seals so as not to be noticed snooping on their mail? Just saying.)
Parsia has been uptight over religion; but when they wanted a piece of our territory Shapur made a reasonable offer (which we accepted, that's how reasonable it was!) instead of just attacking. I don't think they're our enemies. More, with Eldrican buying mercenaries after making peace with the Khan, I don't want to turn Parsia hostile just now.
Post by: birdy51 on February 09, 2018, 09:35:47 pm
We have not opened the letter, and we have really no wrong yet. We deserve an answer, and if she refuses to give it we ought to just open it. The worst that happens then, is that we lose face with what's-his-face.
Post by: Prophet on February 09, 2018, 10:11:13 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 09, 2018, 10:43:25 pm
I didn't realize we had married leath to someone so stupid. If there's nothing in the letter, we can just read it right here then, huh?
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 10, 2018, 03:08:03 am
Post by: Haspen on February 10, 2018, 03:57:54 am
You roll open the scroll and begin to read.
'Father, it is just as you feared. The insanity of this man knows no bounds! He carelessly kills off his own progeny, and now sent his most valuable heir and son and my husband, Leath, to death. Is he so power-hungry that he believes he will sit on the throne all the time, and therefore there's no need for someone to replace him? What will happen when he will run out of children to succeed him?
And instead of mending relations with dwarves, burying them in money they so love, he burns bridge after bridge each time an opportunity appears. I'm sure you heard of his sacriledgeous deed with their tomb few years ago.
And now he threw the final insult upon me and my house. He removed my beloved Anwyn from inheritance, instead placing his disfigured son, Houlandin, as heir to Methiant. Cyl is the Emperor, and that apparently means no law is sacred for him. What is next, I cannot fathom, but I fear for the lives of me and my children. Leath always said his father was reasonable and just, but maybe it was Leath's devotion to Cyl that blinded him.
Please Father, make an excuse for which I can leave this accursed palace of this equally accursed Emperor and visit your house again. I will take my children, and never come back here.
Abis, your beloved daughter.'
A) Treason! Treason! To dungeon with her kids, and off with her head!
B) She ain't going anywhere. To dungeon with her!
C) Maybe I should really apologize to her. This one time.
D) Proof-less scribbling, this is. Fireplace is where this letter belongs!
E) She can go, take the kids, and hopefully I won't see her again.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 10, 2018, 04:02:11 am
On the other, if we let her go (which is probably what happens with C, though we might be able to salvage it on a good roll) it gets a potential enemy and spy out of our midst.
This entire situation is pretty bad, though. We really don't want Parsia to act on the casus belli we kinda handed to them.
C, for now. It would establish us as a somewhat more reasonable man.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 10, 2018, 04:04:46 am
Post by: ZBridges on February 10, 2018, 04:05:25 am
Post by: milo christiansen on February 10, 2018, 04:07:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 10, 2018, 04:57:05 am
I'm going to abstain because all the options are insane. We don't owe her an apology, you can't fucking judge someone for being paranoid and crazy when you're going around their back and doing this sorta thing. This is Yoe all over again really. On the other hand all the other options are just being spiteful. I think she should be let go, if that's what she wants, but we aren't wrong and don't owe her an apology. She's secretly badmouthing us to other kings and trying to turn them against us.
Also Leath asked to go. The whole thing was his idea... And he's a grown ass man on the noble council isn't he? It's not like we really had that great a right to refuse his request.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 10, 2018, 05:13:58 am
E - Tell her she can leave with her children if she wants to, but she does not get and does not deserve an apology from us for Leath's decisions.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 10, 2018, 06:13:32 am
Post by: Haspen on February 10, 2018, 06:31:15 am
E - Tell her she can leave with her children if she wants to, but she does not get and does not deserve an apology from us for Leath's decisions.
Oh yeh I knew I was forgetting something 'v.
/me le adds.
Post by: Taricus on February 10, 2018, 06:59:38 am
Post by: helmacon on February 10, 2018, 07:00:42 am
She can leave if she wants to, but our grandchildren, royal princes and princess of the primary line of succession, are going to be staying here.
Honestly, she is kind of ridiculous.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 10, 2018, 07:03:55 am
She's wildly out of line, certainly, but she's also grieving and enraged about the succession matter. Maybe we can somehow repair the rift by not completely failing a roll somehow. It's a stretch, but it could happen!
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 10, 2018, 07:18:28 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 10, 2018, 07:48:09 am
Our suspicions were way over-zealous. Our reasons may not have been, but our conclusion was. Wanting to leave the country is not treachery. We goofed, and we can and should apologize for that.
Added in now that I have more time:
Proposal: Put Abis's son next in line after Houlandin, have Houlandin's son married to one of her daughters (maybe the one born the same season) to unite the lines, PROBLEM SOLVED.
Maybe. Possibly. Until the next succession crisis.
Remember during the civil war, one side was like, "But Luath is the king we need!" and the other side was all, "He's a great guy but he doesn't have a proper claim!"
The latter is exactly what Abis complained just now. Cyl, of all people, is using the Pretender's argument.
Twice now (Luath during Yoe II's madness; Houlandin over Anwyn) we have voted to overrule the established laws of the land. In both cases good traits were balanced against underage unknowns, so the reasons appeared sound at the time. But I think we also need to include in our calculus that rebellious NPCs are part of the price we pay for following our heart.
A better solution would be to make a formal change in our rules of succession. Which, frankly, the Council of Statesmen (or us) should have proposed in the first place if they wanted Houlandin so badly. Their purpose is to be statesmen, not anarchists. I am personally starting to regret voting for Houlandin (not enough to overturn it but there is regret).
Post by: birdy51 on February 10, 2018, 09:43:11 am
Wait. She just insulted our son. Screw her. E
Post by: Baffler on February 10, 2018, 11:58:51 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 10, 2018, 01:04:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 10, 2018, 01:21:31 pm
FI wish this was an option cause this is the one that makes the most sense to me. She doesn't want to be here but those are our sons kids and members of our dynasty. So sorry but no if you're leaving they don't go with you.
She can leave if she wants to, but our grandchildren, royal princes and princess of the primary line of succession, are going to be staying here.
Honestly, she is kind of ridiculous.
Post by: Imic on February 10, 2018, 01:41:20 pm
Post by: omada on February 10, 2018, 01:42:12 pm
We really don't have authority in our own family, maybe if Cyl retire he will stay away from problems that are building up
The price for having kids helping our rolls is, when they are killed, it's not just an asset dying, is an entire an powerfull family crumbling slowly
What she said houladin said, maybe the other kids thinks of this as well, we should marry and retire, or retire and marry
he is a fucking sucessfull king, yes he is
oh, and yes, also pissed about her insulting houladin, but she is nervous, her husband was dead and her "professional career" gone to shit, our father got mad one day because of a dead wife
Post by: Imic on February 10, 2018, 01:50:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2018, 05:11:29 am
ccccccc
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You walk after Abis and apologize to her. She looks only moderately pleased, as if she doubts your intentions.
"Houlandin and his children will inherit, that means my family has no need to stay here. Can I move with my children back to Parsia?"
A) "I believe your words, and you are allowed to leave even today."
B) "Fine, but first I want written declaration that neither you nor your family will push any claims on my throne!"
C) "You can go, but the children are half-Methiantese. They are staying with me!"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 11, 2018, 05:20:31 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 11, 2018, 09:02:33 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 11, 2018, 09:07:47 am
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2018, 09:12:40 am
If she wanted to stay, she would have said so v;
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 11, 2018, 09:22:28 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 09:33:27 am
Post by: Iituem on February 11, 2018, 10:22:00 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 11, 2018, 10:30:40 am
If she wanted to stay, she would have said so v;Sure she doesn't want to.
But, you know, Emperor.
Post by: milo christiansen on February 11, 2018, 10:45:04 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 11, 2018, 10:53:12 am
A - actually, let's let her do as she pleases and be Good Duede Cyl for once.
Post by: Iituem on February 11, 2018, 11:08:41 am
B, get it in writing. Kinda want to part amicably, but the healthiest assumption in Spamkingdom is that everyone else is either stupid, malevolent or just an asshole.
Not that I don't agree with you wholeheartedly, but this attitude might explain Cyl's demeanour...
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2018, 11:14:47 am
I really don't think Abis would try anything but her father or grown son just might.
Changing to A
NPC's are pretty good about keeping their own promises, but the next generation not so much about honoring declarations of the past.
Abis I'm not worried about, we can send her off with as much goodwill as possible.
(Maybe with a great roll we would even convince her of our sincerity and she stays.)
... If not, well, we'll just have to Richard III this.
Which suspicion was expressed in her letter to start with. When the emperor rules by fiat than by following laws, what can lesser persons do but fear?
... the healthiest assumption in Spamkingdom is that everyone else is either stupid, malevolent or just an asshole.
Cyl starts wars it seems anytime the army score is above 5, and negotiates no terms but complete fealty. That's part of how he ended up in a poorly won war in Eval that made it near impossible to defend against Agaresians in Cydwyl and totally impossible to send troops against Damdamians in Lametania. Back in the days of charismatic Yoe I when people actually voted to talk things out, we had the occasional disruption to peace but never more than one enemy at a time.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 11:32:44 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 11, 2018, 11:54:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Yeah, but all the kings of the past are dead, so clearly they've done something wrong.
They rode horses. :P
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 11, 2018, 01:11:36 pm
oh god the flashbacksYeah, but all the kings of the past are dead, so clearly they've done something wrong.
They rode horses. :P
Anyway, A
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 11, 2018, 01:34:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2018, 01:39:30 pm
The same evening you watch her leave with children in tow.
1143 AD, Mid-Autumn
Tutors and learned men in the palace praise Eivan for his knowledge of matters of law and history. He even mastered mathematics and herbalism. A wise young man, mayhaps he will grow into a renowned scholar one day, the tutors say!
1143 AD, Winter
Silver is sent to the dwarves, gems and gold come into your pockets.
Quote
2to5, 1
On the trade front, metals earned some profits, while glasswork did not, plus the Passage Tax is almost done being established. Toll houses are constructed at major passageways and extra guards are brought to city gates to enforce taxation.
Few days later, you cannot help but notice that some of 'chatterbug' courtiers (women mostly) seem to be glancing at Houlandin's direction from time to time, smirking even. What is this all about, you have no idea, until you get a hint from one of the low ranking ladies, that she got news from one of the bedchamber maids.
The girl in question fidgets and is nervous when you speak to her in your study. She keeps fidgeting and only after a long while you get something from her.
"It's... about Prince Houlandin's, um... bedroom, uhhh... issues."
A) "Oh so that's what it is. Carry on then, I don't need to know. There was no conversation."
B) "That doesn't tell me much. Speak up, woman, I have so much to do yet!"
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 11, 2018, 01:40:54 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 01:42:07 pm
He already got a kid so w/e
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 11, 2018, 01:44:25 pm
Dish out the sweet gossip, gurl.
Post by: Prophet on February 11, 2018, 02:08:20 pm
Also I'm going to hope that letting Abis go with our grandchildren won't come back to bite us in the hindquarters but I've only got bad feelings about this so I can only assume that it will. Also I mean... we've really let our grandchildren go off into a strange foreign court where they're only protection/guardian is their mother who as far as I've seen hasn't actually proven to be that intelligent of an individual.
Post by: crazyabe on February 11, 2018, 02:10:11 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2018, 02:14:31 pm
"P-Prince Houlandin is... is sleeping with other men. A-Army officers mostly, even Spymaster's nephew... he's been doing this since, like, your Emperorship, m-my liege..."
Huuuuh. You could pretend you just didnt hear- ah, whom are we kidding here?
A) I must go deeper! I must get more answers!
B) His wife surely knows. And he's got a kid already. Let's leave it as it is.
C) Where's his dignity?! This and his insubordinance in past years gives me valid reasons to skip him in succession, right? Outta the palace wit him!!
Post by: Prophet on February 11, 2018, 02:16:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 11, 2018, 02:28:29 pm
B, let him do his thing in peace.
Post by: Prophet on February 11, 2018, 02:33:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 11, 2018, 02:57:47 pm
Also, I totally saw this coming waaaaaay back. Around the time he got married, in fact.
Post by: Imic on February 11, 2018, 03:47:32 pm
A cute intersex harem with everyone in love with the androgynous king and smart and useful enough into pushing the kingdom forward.May I direct everyone to this quote?
It shouldn't be that bad.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 03:49:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 11, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
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Post by: ZBridges on February 11, 2018, 04:48:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2018, 05:00:00 pm
In few weeks time, the thing quietens down. Whether it was by Houlandin's doing, or someone's else, the chatty courtiers decided to change topic to something else.
End of the Year, 1143 AD
Once again, the Scrolls of Kingdom Status end in your hands. How many more times you're destined to hold them? Ten? Twenty? Fifty perhaps?
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: 0
"Sire, our Treasury has managed to maintain it's level, thanks to the profits from the passage tax, too. However, we're still barely above the red. The Statesmen and your courtiers alike have several options at ready:"
As for taxes...
A) Raise them!
B) No change.
As for Army budget...
A) Keep it cut down.
B) Resume its usual level.
As for Fireblood Court...
A) Reduce the expenses for a year.
B) Keep it fully operational.
As for a small (3) loan from merchants with four years of paying back...
A) Alas, we must.
B) No loans, nope!
"The Imperial Authority also remains on average but workable level, thanks to the efforts of the Council of Statesmen. It is up to you, of course, to issue an Edict, if you so desire."
A) "Get my royal seal ASAP!"
B) "Maaaybe next year, okay?"
//Make sure you don't miss a vote otherwise I will have to ignore them ;v
Post by: ZBridges on February 11, 2018, 05:03:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 11, 2018, 05:10:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 05:24:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 11, 2018, 05:29:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 11, 2018, 05:29:55 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 11, 2018, 05:32:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 11, 2018, 05:40:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2018, 06:34:19 pm
Here are the numbers I've calculated.
Anyone who believes they have more accurate information feel free to share your own account work.
Spoiler: (unofficial) Budgets (click to show/hide)
From that it looks like our budget might finally be close to stable, though we are still quite poor. Some of our income is RNG-based and we have little or no cushion for bad/unlucky years. We still need caution at least until we get out from under the dwarf tribute.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 11, 2018, 06:44:24 pm
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 11, 2018, 06:53:16 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 11, 2018, 07:12:39 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 11, 2018, 07:24:05 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 11, 2018, 07:46:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 11, 2018, 09:36:50 pm
AABBA
Here are the numbers I've calculated.
Anyone who believes they have more accurate information feel free to share your own account work.
-1 Recruitment (though it failed to be effective, as I warned)
What do you mean? We still went up a point in army, despite cutting funding. It appears the recruitment worked.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2018, 10:38:42 pm
Quote1to3, 1
Recruitment is the roll "1to3" we see just before the scrolls are presented – if it had worked we'd have seen two points growth as in past years when there was a "4to6."
(I believe the "1" is the Statesmen failing to improve authority.)
Compare the situation from 1140 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7683104#msg7683104) to 1141 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7685346#msg7685346). You can see the army scores and the 4to6 roll. (You also see the Statesmen rolling 2to6 in the latter year, when they first came online.)
This is one of my core objections, that 50% success seems like a poor return on investment when the army already grows. Note however, that I am no longer as keen to repeal the recruitment since seeing Eldrican girding for war.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 12, 2018, 12:16:46 am
We need to get out cash up now, but our overall budget would be fine without the dwarf issue.
For the army thing, we get 1.5 army for 2 cost, over the long term, while for 1 we get 1. It clearly has diminishing returns but I think for something as important as the army it is worth it. We can lose army score completely in a single war, and it is budget wise okay, without the thrice damned dwarf money.
If we want to keep the fireblood and army both at full budget we could take the loan, but I just do not think we need it.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 12:43:43 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 07:29:53 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 07:36:39 am
We already got our metal and glass sells 3 pages ago loluh, you know those happen every year, right
ETA: oh, it just occurred to me you have a lower posts-per-page setting, of course. Never mind.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2018, 08:23:44 am
1143 AD, Winter
Silver is sent to the dwarves, gems and gold come into your pockets.Quote2to5, 1
On the trade front, metals earned some profits, while glasswork did not, plus the Passage Tax is almost done being established. Toll houses are constructed at major passageways and extra guards are brought to city gates to enforce taxation.
Nothing was rolled for End of Year until we enacted Recruitment Offices, when the 1to3/4to6 appeared.
The edict list of at EoY 1139 conveniently speaks to what we know (emphasis added):
Increasing Army budget increases the maximum the Army can support at once and in good shape ;v
(...)
Establish Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
(...)
1) Since we adopted Professional Army long ago as a Kingdom, we pay -1/y to get +1 army/year. (I believe it also accounts for our superior equipment bonus against some foes.)
2) At various points Haspen, mostly just by putting the option out there, has induced the players to "expand" the army funding. I cannot find any correlation between those increases and extra performance in recruiting or in battle; the only known effect is the cap increase explicitly declared above. We do not know the actual value of the basal cap, much less how much each increase gives. (Because the biggest army we've had since then is 8.)
3) The same period that enacted the recruitment offices also added a 50% chance roll to the End of Year reports when final figures are tallied – enacted EoY 1139 and going into effect EoY 1140. Those Ends of Year with 4to6 (namely 1140, 1141) saw two points of Army growth; those years with 1to3 (namely 1142, 1143) only the previous normal growth of one.
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 09:06:58 am
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 01:33:34 pm
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You decide to raise taxes and reduce Fireblood Court's budget, just like Army's is at the moment. No loans and no edicts!
1144 AD, Spring
News come from the west; Elran IV has made a rather ungentlemanly move and, breaking the truce with Ogan, assaulted his lands with dwarven weapons, Fireblood machines, mercenaries and own armies, burning the camps and settlements of the nomads into ash and cinders wherever they go.
1144 AD, Summer
Your guards come startled, unsure what to make of the guest that just arrived at your gates. The guards say this guest and his entourage have basically appeared from under the ground. They came without an invitation, a warning or even a signal. One moment they weren't and one moment they were.
It is the High King of Dwarves, Damacid Vabaktamlol 'the Goldhand', with his entourage of eight dwarves clad in purple armor that shimmers at every move. The High King is fat, bumbling dwarf that is constantly smiling and has his impressive beard tied into four ponytails. He wears cloaks and robes, all made of delicate websilk that is dyed with most brilliant of dark blue, purple, red and bronze colors.
"The dwarven king wishes to talk with you on matters pertaining the local troubles between you and his subjects, and to work out some peaceful solution to the ongoing enmity that is unacceptable for him and his council." The gate guards say.
A) "I speak to no dwarf. Turn him away!"
B) "Fine then, let him in."
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 01:39:16 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 12, 2018, 01:39:31 pm
Maybe we can salvage the dwarf situation if they are desperate.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 01:40:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 01:52:18 pm
We can always reject him after we hear his offer.
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 01:52:57 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 01:53:28 pm
We can always reject him after we hear his offer.Uh, let's not.
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2018, 02:03:55 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 02:08:45 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 12, 2018, 02:11:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 02:13:27 pm
The guard dwarves are all hooded but you can see some reddish gleam of their eyes emanating from under the shadows. They wear short swords at their belts, while they hold the axes sideways in some sort of ceremonial approach. They stand in front of your guards, four dwarves per side, and turn their axes toward the middle of the room, while the High King, who is suprisingly tall for a dwarf, makes his way through the room.
"Isn't it Cyl, Emperor of Methiant, the most stubborn of men in the east!" Domacid opens his arms and moves in, as if he is a lovely uncle wanting to give his nephew a hug. He stops way before you though.
"I like you already, Emperor. You must have dwarven blood in your veins to show so much iron will, even in the worst of circumstances." The dwarf looks around your royal keep, and nods. Surely such fine masonry is appreciated by him.
"Well, enouhg of idle chatter. I would rather we get to business at once. Nothing I have to say is for the ears of the many, so shall we retreat to a smaller chamber. I will take two guards, you can take six. How about that?"
A) "Agreed."
B) "My guards will check you for hidden weapons first."
C) "We talk here or we do not talk at all!"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 02:14:40 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 12, 2018, 02:15:23 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 02:17:35 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 02:17:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 12, 2018, 02:18:51 pm
checking for weapons is dumb when we are literally bringing guards with weapons.
Post by: Iituem on February 12, 2018, 02:19:31 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 02:22:08 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2018, 02:22:38 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 12, 2018, 02:26:29 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 12, 2018, 02:26:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 02:27:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 02:40:07 pm
The dwarves flank the door, your guards stand behind you. Domacid sits across from you at a small desk.
"Well, first of all, you must understand several faux pas that you have committed upon our kind. For some reason, despite what I heard from late Daric of Eldrican, you don't seem willing to part with money."
"Why would I?"
High King chuckles. "It's simple. We love money. You underestimate the power of coin, Emperor. Be it your human values or your inexperience in dwarven matters. I can recall deals with previous dynasties and kingdoms of these lands. Fulfilled contracts all the time, paid on time or after some decades, but never, ever, we had to indulge in revocation of our artifact."
"I propose a deal to mend the wounds between our races. You might not know that, but our metalworkers would very much like to revive and rebuild Zasitost, its iron and copper mines. Therefore you would cede these lands currently occupied by your peoples. In return, I offer that my runecrafters make a copy of The Rainbow Scepter for your dynasty. What you say, hmm? Hopefully, we can return to the earlier, more amicable relations that we had with your predecessors."
A) "That land is ours, the dwarfkind will never have it again!"
B) "This proposal isn't good enough for me. I want more!"
C) "That sound a reasonable first step to renewed friendship between us. It's a deal!"
D) "A generous dwarf, that's a first. What are you really trying to achieve?"
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 02:42:19 pm
Flip it going to hope for luck of the dice and choose
edit also dont they still have a decent chunk of our citizens as slaves still atm?
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 02:42:22 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 12, 2018, 02:42:48 pm
Actually, gonna switch to D because there probably isn't anything he can offer that I'd be interested in since they can just blow up any shitty artifacts they give us later if they feel like it.
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 12, 2018, 02:46:17 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2018, 02:47:01 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 12, 2018, 02:52:51 pm
B Get them to abolish the tribute.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 02:54:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 02:57:52 pm
So they can just break it again? He seems to misunderstand. We broke no contract that cause them to break the scepter. They didn't sell us the scepter for a shit ton of cash and eternally doing whatever the fuck they want us to do. We paid the shit ton of cash.
At the very least he needs to acknowledge his dwarves were totally legally in the wrong for what they did.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 02:57:55 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 12, 2018, 03:00:22 pm
As it stands, D.
I do want that scepter though, it's worth the price of the land.
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 03:01:20 pm
If they really are like they say they are, there won't be any strings attatched unless he explicitly says so, so unless otherwise stated, if we read the small print, it might go back together.
I'm sliiiightly suspicious though...
D
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 03:02:27 pm
That and Uncly Dwarf King seems to be the only somewhat reasonable Dwarf I've seen so I kinda want to at least give him a chance.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 03:05:31 pm
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 03:07:46 pm
I think I want an option for "You can settle in Zasitost and mine it and have full sovereignty below the earth, but I'd rather not displace my people who have settled there after paying for the land in their blood."+1 additiom to list
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 03:08:43 pm
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"Generous dwarf is something I rarely see. What are you really after?" He claps his hands.
"To have profitable deals here again! After the mishap with the scepter, our profits in the east have plummeted. We have no access to Parsians and the Gubta, to their resources that we bring far to the west. See, Zasitost was valuable mining site, yes, but most importantly it was valuable trade hub. It wasn't a problem conducting trade when the region was fragmented, but your conquests have reduced our opportunities until we've been forced to a conclusion that, sooner or later, we have to grit our teeth and extend a hand of friendship towards you."
A) "Now that I know your motives, I think I will have to ask more from you!"
B) "Well, now I'm sure we can do business. Let's sign the deal!"
B) "A-ha, so your offer of friendship was only to exploit us. Begone!"
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 03:10:04 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 03:10:48 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 03:11:06 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 12, 2018, 03:12:37 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 12, 2018, 03:13:16 pm
Honestly, I think that accepting this deal would incite open rebellion. We shouldn't easily forget them taking our loyal men as slaves. Was the sacrifice of the dead in vain?
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 03:13:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 03:15:19 pm
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 03:16:24 pm
A, I'm mostly fine with the offer but yeah the enslavement thing is going to be a sticking point.I'm gonna change my vote to upon thinking about it, but only if we do mention the whole slave thing. If we don't... I can't really do anything about it.
Post by: Twinwolf on February 12, 2018, 03:16:40 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 03:17:34 pm
They don't even live in the same reality as us.
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 03:19:08 pm
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It takes a while but it seems you can't convince him to do give you anything except...
"Well, there are some slaves from Methiant in the mines of Zonalath. What say I order their release? I know the local peoples, unlike the westerners, pride themselves in not indulging in the trade of slaves."
A) "The wellbeing of my subjects is a priority. Deal!"
B) "Still not enough. I want more!"
C) "It shows you're unwilling to cooperate. Go away!"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 03:20:19 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on February 12, 2018, 03:20:45 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 03:21:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 12, 2018, 03:22:25 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 03:23:22 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 03:23:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 12, 2018, 03:24:25 pm
They'd have to travel through our lands, we now have a passage tax, this is too good to be true.My sentiments exactly.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 03:28:03 pm
The notoriously stubborn and easy to offend dwarves are offering to rebuild the burnt bridge. Whilst I disagree with his vassels, at least the king seems reasonable.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 12, 2018, 03:29:20 pm
A. They'd have to travel through our lands, we now have a passage tax, this is too good to be true.
Calling this as the cause for the third (fourth?) Methiant-Dwarf war.
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 03:37:18 pm
The lengthy contract is signed and sealed by you two, and a copy is made for you, also signed and sealed.
"Just as planned. I've told them, when the human plays dwarf and is stubborn, the dwarf needs to play human and be reasonable. Hopefully one day we will be able to live in prosperity and mutual respect."
The dwarven High King leaves the palace with his entourage the same day, and guards and townsfolk say they disappeared in a mist that rolled over the nearby plains in the evening.
1144 AD, Autumn
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Thousands of malnourished men and women march into the northwest Methiant, leaving the lands of Zonalath. People rejoice at the reunion, even if some failed to return. Your subjects praise the Emperor and your efforts in mending the relationship with dwarves. All in all, a good thing.
While there's some discontent amongst settlers of Zasitost lands, some are actually eager to leave the lansd that were sparsely populated, with not that profitable mines and some creepy dwarven ruins sticking out between their farm plots.
1144 AD, Mid-Autumn
Sad news come from the north! Eirika has given birth to a stillborn after a complicated pregnancy, and healers barely snatched her from the jaws of Death. They price was high, and the royal healers of Cydwyl believe Eirika will not be able to have any more children.
A) Send her a letter in which you express your sadness.
B) Bemoan her fate privately.
C) Send her expernsive dresses, gem encrusted jewellry, gilded idols of fertility and other precious items to soothe her pains.
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 12, 2018, 03:38:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2018, 03:39:58 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 03:41:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 03:43:36 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 12, 2018, 03:44:52 pm
OH WAIT NO WE ARE BROKE.
A
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 03:49:44 pm
Few weeks later you receive a heartfelt reply.
1144 AD, Late Autumn
Apparently, Eldricans suffered a great massacre; approximately twenty thousand men fought against thirty thousand nomads, and less than tenth of the whole number left alive. Elran IV himself has been slain!
His cousin have seized power in Eldrican Kingdom (Elran had no sons), adopting the regnal name same as his; he is now known as Tetan I, King of Eldricans. Some say that a scholar and passionate historian and bookkeeper as him is ill-suited to wage a war against such savage horde as Ogan's.
Other news come from Ceodwell; guards report much less attempts through Ironbone Mountains, and amongst them there were fewer sicker peoples, who brought news that plague in Gubta has subsided, having slain tens of thousands of peoples here.
The governors wonder if the borders should be opened already.
A) No, let's keep them shut for a year more, just to be sure.
B) Finally! Let the people come and go as they please again.
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 03:52:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 03:53:09 pm
Post by: Iituem on February 12, 2018, 03:53:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 03:57:23 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 12, 2018, 04:00:32 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 04:01:48 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2018, 04:02:36 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 12, 2018, 04:02:44 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 04:14:05 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 12, 2018, 04:14:32 pm
They're probably still contagious.
Post by: helmacon on February 12, 2018, 04:20:36 pm
how many years do we have left on the dwarf tribute?
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 04:26:23 pm
1144 AD, Winter
Gold and gemstones arrive at your Treasury.
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Some profits from selling of glasswork got there too. The silver, unfortunately, is still going to the dwarves, this time to those that re-settled in Zasitost.
A delegation of these dwarves brings a gift wrapped in purple cloth. They unwrap the cloth and show you The Rainbow Scepter. Either by their craftsdwarfship or magickery, it looks exactly like the old one. The runemasters that brought the Scepter to you look humbled, but you can see fire in their eyes. However, they leave without an incident.
Few days later you receive a word from tutors of your palace; they would love to praise Saenn, for all his efforts as a good student, but they seem to be unable to find any mastery in him. On other hands, the court healers think highly of him; he has quite a fortitude and is as healthy as a horse.
1144 AD, Midwinter
Queen Mother Segeda is dead!
After complaining of a fever, her health became progressively worse in span of a week, and finally she passed away during a very cold morning. A controversional figure from early days of the century, there was much quarreling done by her or done on her behalf. Some people weep; some sigh in relief, those ungrateful bastards.
A) My beloved mother deserves a grandiose tomb of marble and granite, and a gilded sarcophagus made by best craftsmen!
B) The family tombs will need another expansion, won't they.
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 04:27:32 pm
She wasn't exactly popular, and we aren't exactly stupid.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 04:28:28 pm
That should piss her off when she raises from the dead to seek the blood of the living.
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 04:31:22 pm
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
Didn't the elves say that Zasitost was a Wall city? Didn't the elves give us free stuff because we destroyed that? Isn't Zasitost incredibly important to the Dwarves?
We played right into that sneaky Dwarf-king's hand.
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 04:37:16 pm
Post by: Imic on February 12, 2018, 04:39:05 pm
Not that I think we're hairy savages that is.Says the guy with the angry dog avatar.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 04:42:38 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 04:43:11 pm
We played right into that sneaky Dwarf-king's hand.
Well... Yeah. No shit, that wasn't hidden. That's exactly what people voted for.
He didn't trick us into giving up highly valuable land in exchange for an artifact that he'll blow up the next time we don't do exactly what the dwarves tell us to and ask for more. That's precisely the deal he offered and people bent over to vote for it as quick as you please.
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 04:50:03 pm
1144 AD, End of the Year
Once again, the Scrolls!
Happiness: 5
Population: 7
Economy: 3
Army: [8]
Imp.Authority: 0
"Most blessed leader," Begins the Advisor. "The policy of cutting budget tight has proven to be effective. Our Treasury recovered somewhat, especially after we had to lay off some recruiters; the influx of men they create couldn't be paid by the Treasury. The higher taxes helped too, of course."
"The Army officials therefore clamor that we restore the budget from the Army and the Fireblood Court. While no war seems to be looming over the horizon, they say its better to be safe than sorry."
A) "Fine, full budgeting from now on."
B) "I'm sure they can go about poorer for another year."
"Your authority and people's mood have been doing good due to the release of slaves and reconciliation with the dwarves. A good moment to issue an edict, don't you think so my liege"?
A) "Indeed!"
B) "Nah."
Post by: Criptfeind on February 12, 2018, 04:53:09 pm
B
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 12, 2018, 04:53:38 pm
A
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 12, 2018, 04:55:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 04:56:20 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 04:57:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2018, 05:00:10 pm
Spoiler: (unofficial) Budgets (click to show/hide)
We can't afford "full" funding and the recruitment offices (see below) without running deficits again. Even if glass comes in at its best we would only break even.
B A
We should increase our savings if we can.
The report says "recruiters were laid off" but I don't know whether that means permanently defunded. I'd like to at least peek at the edicts just to confirm its status.
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 05:00:10 pm
Still got a zero in the Imp aff, can't be making any right now.
Post by: omada on February 12, 2018, 05:02:17 pm
and we have the hurthling breadbasket
rise in population here we go
BA
hold a bit the budget, but bring the diplomatic corps from the edict, they can bring us profitable deals with foreign people and we return to our usual budget
8 army is nothing to be ignored, and we have loans to pay.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2018, 05:05:00 pm
Still got a zero in the Imp aff, can't be making any right now.
I'm not entirely convinced that making edicts costs authority every time; the data are mixed in that it went down even when we proclaimed nothing (wars, low resources) and went up (presumably thanks to Statesmen) in at least one year that we did.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 12, 2018, 05:24:28 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 12, 2018, 05:31:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2018, 05:31:49 pm
aa aa aa
ba ba ba
You decide to restore the budgets and not issue any edicts.
1145 AD, Spring
Lakemetal Tunic is gone!
You were going to wear it for today's sparring session with Houlandin (per usual), but you cannot find it in your chest. All your other belongings are there, but you don't remember those old leaves here (so maybe you should clean the chest more often).
A) Thievery! Hire some adventurers to uncover and capture the thief!
B) Why hire adventurers when my Spymaster's men can help with this?
C) Maybe there's a valid cause for this, and I shouldn't pry.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2018, 05:37:01 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 05:37:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2018, 05:38:07 pm
I think it's pretty obvious what happened, but let's check whether the spy cloaks are still around.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 12, 2018, 05:39:40 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2018, 05:41:14 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 12, 2018, 05:44:06 pm
Post by: omada on February 12, 2018, 05:44:44 pm
I am just laughing at the fact that the name Tetan 1 in portuguese reads "tetan um" and for me the name of the king of eldrican's is tetanus, forever.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 12, 2018, 05:46:40 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 12, 2018, 06:30:05 pm
Why does everyone think they can just take back what they gave us? Didn't we already demonstrate how stubborn we could be?
Post by: helmacon on February 12, 2018, 06:34:57 pm
Can't exactly go to war with the elves though, can we?
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2018, 06:40:10 pm
B
Can't exactly go to war with the elves though, can we?
Well anything is possible if we try hard enough
Post by: birdy51 on February 12, 2018, 06:46:39 pm
Can't be too mad about it though, since it was a gift unprompted nor expected.
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 03:04:35 am
1145 AD, Mid-Spring
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The Spymaster reports that his agents found an elven traveler in northwestern Cydwyl. He explained to them that if such a specific item disappeared, the magicians of Tisilenteliya made it disappear because you've wronged their Princes. The elf then went on to elaborate; letting the dwarves regain one of their homes would surely sour the disposition of other Elves towards you, because neither of the races will accept friendship from one dealing with their mortal enemies since the beginning of time.
In separate report the Spymaster explains that the cloaks seem to be a bit faulty, and doesn't hide their wearers as good in the night as they did before.
1145 AD, Summer
The engineers of Fireblood Court arrive at your audience room rather excitedly.
"Emperor! We bring news of a development. We've created elongated tubes that can be operated by two men; one wields it, the other loads the tube and ignites the charge. It is like a portable Thundercat. If you wish for a presentation, we will be ready in a month!"
A) "Sounds like a good weapon. I wanna see it working please!"
B) "Two men sounds a bit clumsy. Can you do better on this?"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 03:06:52 am
Post by: ZBridges on February 13, 2018, 03:12:12 am
Post by: Imic on February 13, 2018, 03:13:21 am
A - Primitive hand cannons are better than no hand cannons. We can always use these whilst they develop better ones.+1
I agree.
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 03:33:46 am
1145 AD, Midsummer
Using some convicts slated for death sentences, the engineers demonstrate the power of the new weapon, dubbed by them 'Shooting Tubes'. Balls made of rock shoot forth and some shatter, striking the criminals and killing them by shrapnels or blows to the head or chest, crushing their bones and organs upon hit. Despite this, it's obvious that many projectiles strike the ground near the convicted men rather than them, and reloading takes a while.
Houlandin and Iwald seem impressed, but of course the final decision is up to you...
A) Not good enough. Make me something better and more accurate!
B) This is glorious. Start producing these Shooting Tubes at once!
Post by: helmacon on February 13, 2018, 03:39:31 am
When firing into massed enemies, the lack of accuracy towards individual targets won't be terribly relevant. Besides, It's not like the fireblood court is going to stop working during this time. These things could shatter a charge, or a defensive line.
Post by: Imic on February 13, 2018, 03:39:44 am
Post by: ZBridges on February 13, 2018, 03:44:49 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 03:45:24 am
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 04:29:32 am
1145 AD, Autumn
Tetan I's younger brother, Aes, is here!
"Greetings, Emperor. The threat of the Khanate is growing day by day. Even now, when we tried to catch it my surprise, it fights back and remains steadfast. My brother, King of Eldrican, needs your professional soldiers to come help defeat the horde. Otherwise, like in the tales of old kingdoms, the nomads will come knocking at the doors of your Kingdom too." Clearly, he is neither a good diplomat nor a conversationalist.
A) "What do I get from this?"
B) "I'm not interested in wars of other peoples, sorry."
C) "Sure thing, I will send my soldiers to help fight the nomads."
D) "You sure you don't want supplies instead? Rations, money, weapons?"
Post by: helmacon on February 13, 2018, 04:48:11 am
I suppose we can start to build relations again now that the one guy is dead, but they are gonna have to build those relations.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 05:26:27 am
A
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 13, 2018, 05:36:02 am
But we must punish a failed diplomacy roll with demands!
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 05:54:05 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 13, 2018, 06:04:11 am
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 06:05:11 am
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"My brother, Tetan I, have noted that your economy and treasury are delicately balanced with only small margin of profits. Duchy of Koi provides the Kingdom with much silver. Therefore, we would agree to split the profits from silver mining for next twenty years. half of the bullion would be sent to your Treasury."
A) "Pfffft. What am I, cheap? Begone, fool!"
B) "Not enough for me. I want more!"
C) "Oh, now we're talking. Our Army will help you!"
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 06:10:11 am
A
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 06:13:23 am
Post by: crazyabe on February 13, 2018, 06:59:12 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 13, 2018, 07:02:53 am
Post by: Imic on February 13, 2018, 07:06:11 am
C sounds good. Remember, this guy not only didn't try to assassinate anyone, this guy usurped the extinguished line of the guy who did. That guy got his consequences. No point holding a grudge.+1
Post by: helmacon on February 13, 2018, 07:19:15 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on February 13, 2018, 08:16:31 am
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 08:57:38 am
1145 AD, Mid-Autumn
The Army has joined Eldrican troops at border with Tirine, where the fighting was pushed to. Apparently already they participated in several battles, where Thundercats and Methiantese discipline proved a gamebreaker.
1145 AD, Late Autumn
A brutal battle left twenty thousand dead in central Tirine; the nomads were routed and they launched a campaign of scorched earth against peoples of Tirine as they retreated toward their home steppes. The forces of Eldrican - with yours in tow - marched outside the borders to punish and destroy the nomads once and for all.
Meanwhile, news reach your court from the south. Margrave of Rucus have managed to exploit and manipulate the political situation in the Empire, and have not only taken the lands of Kingdom of Ebirus into his fold, he also abolished the previously somewhat autonomous Lametanian duchies. Instead of four territories there, now there's only the Margraviate.
1145 AD, Winter
The fierce fighting continues, but Ogan and his hordes might've made a critical error. They attempted to take out Vabokam dwarves out of equation, apparently after learning they supply Eldricans with arms. Normally a sound decision, the horse riders were unprepared for the dwarven fortress' defenses, consisting of giant saw blades ripping them from the ground and reinforced pipe-cranes spewing out hot lava on their heads. During the battle of Vabokam, about five thousand nomads perished while only handful of dwarves died.
Meanwhile, gold and gemstones arrive at your Treasury. The silver is sent to Ankurvat dwarves.
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Glassware made big profits. People across Methiant praise the high quality of the goods once more.
1145 AD, Midwinter
"Orcs?" The courtiers murmur as the messenger from the Ironbone Mountains takes off his hat.
"Indeed, m'liege! The greenskins, they're stealing sheep and burning down the mountain hovels! They were first seen in the Summer, but avoided us, but they grew bolder by the Autumn and now has begun to harass us."
A) "It's probably some starving nomads. Can't your militia do anything done these days?"
B) "I will hire some adventurers to get rid of them, no problem."
C) "Our Army will go and purge the mountains of the greenskins right away!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 13, 2018, 09:00:33 am
It'll split the armies effort, but it's big enough and the Nomads should hopefully be recovering from their losses against the dwarves.
Post by: crazyabe on February 13, 2018, 09:01:26 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 09:01:46 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 13, 2018, 09:08:10 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 13, 2018, 09:12:19 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 13, 2018, 09:21:47 am
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 09:47:24 am
1145 AD, Late Winter
Eldrican campaign is showing some progress, although there was little activity in past month.
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Meanwhile, your Army is having trouble against the orcs. Their roving bands assault encampments in mountains that are poorly protected. Normal tactics aren't as effective and engineers find it hard to properly operate and shoot things with Thundercats and Shooting Tubes. They even caused a rockslide that buried several dozen soldiers alive.
1145 AD, End of the Year
The heavy snowfall this winter is unlike any weather seen in previous years. It's not catastrophic of course, it's just that the Kingdom was used to mild, even warm, winters for last few years.
Of course what's best moment to break your contemplation of the weather than for the Advisor to arrive with Scrolls of Kingdom Status?
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Happiness: 6
Population: 7
Economy: 3
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: 0
The Treasury keeps afloat, it seems.
"The Treasurer however believes that we should continue trying to extra money, and thus he proposes we raise taxes for a year. The tribute to dwarves ends in two years, yet he prefers to be on the cautious side in terms of money, sire."
A) Sure, extra money never hurts.
B) I'm sure we can stay afloat without extra taxes.
"Do you wish to issue an Edict this year, Emperor?"
A) Nope.
B) Okay.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 13, 2018, 09:50:40 am
And I'm already suspicious that this weather is related to the sceptre.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 10:10:10 am
It looks like the statesmen don't improve us above 0? Rip I guess.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 13, 2018, 10:14:23 am
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The heavy snowfall this winter is unlike any weather seen in previous years. It's not catastrophic of course, it's just that the Kingdom was used to mild, even warm, winters for last few years.
Didn't we just buy a Sceptre of Good weather?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 13, 2018, 10:39:22 am
Post by: crazyabe on February 13, 2018, 10:56:10 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 11:04:42 am
Or maybe we sucked insufficient dwarven dick on the kings visit and so they sent us a non working replica.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 11:07:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 13, 2018, 11:11:19 am
Rainbow scepter is suppose to cover bad snows as well, it's done so in the past. Although it doesn't sound like these were bad enough snows that they actually needed the scepter to stop them.
Or maybe we sucked insufficient dwarven dick on the kings visit and so they sent us a non working replica.
It's a display model, says so right in the fine print.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 13, 2018, 11:54:16 am
Eight year deal (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7680692#msg7680692) – first payment 1139, last payment 1146.
AB
I'm with the treasurer on this one.
It looks like the statesmen don't improve us above 0? Rip I guess.They don't cost us money and they open up other options. We should keep them as authority insurance.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 12:27:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2018, 12:59:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 01:10:01 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 13, 2018, 01:20:02 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2018, 01:28:01 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 13, 2018, 01:28:06 pm
On another note, how did we not get word of warning about the Orcs When refugees were going Through this mountain not long ago?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 13, 2018, 01:29:46 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 13, 2018, 01:32:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 13, 2018, 01:35:58 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2018, 01:43:30 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 13, 2018, 01:48:30 pm
EDIT: WOOOO 500TH PAGE
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 13, 2018, 01:51:40 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 01:52:19 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 13, 2018, 01:54:50 pm
No Edict
Post by: milo christiansen on February 13, 2018, 01:55:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 13, 2018, 01:59:45 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 13, 2018, 02:01:20 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 13, 2018, 02:02:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2018, 02:06:36 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 13, 2018, 02:09:44 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 13, 2018, 02:16:49 pm
A royal house of learning would probably really benefit the greater good, I'd rather wait until we've got some nice cash and we're done with the dwarven tribute
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 13, 2018, 02:20:13 pm
Because we need to stop sending the ruler and future rulers on dangerous trips. Also we might be able to upgrade our status in the other two empires from barbarians to civilized barbarians.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 13, 2018, 02:39:23 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 13, 2018, 03:02:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 13, 2018, 03:33:42 pm
I like the Bill of Rights, but it isn't urgent, and something so radical should be passed when we have high Imperial Authority.
Post by: Baffler on February 13, 2018, 03:43:28 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 13, 2018, 03:48:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 13, 2018, 04:09:37 pm
1146 AD, Spring
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Once again, the Army struggles to fight the orcish savages deep in the Ironbone Mountains.
Meanwhile, in the west, your soldiers are fighting alongside Eldricans against the horse nomads, and corpses continue to pile on day by day, so brutal is the fighting.
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Saenn almost died! During a sparing session with Iwald, the two got a bit carried away. Iwald have managed to slash at his younger brother's face, almost cutting him down. Only by Saenn's sheer resilience and your healers' competence, the boy is still alive, although his right eye couldn't be possibly saved.
A) Iwald tried to murder his sibling! To dungeon with him!
B) T'was an unfortunate accident, these happen.
C) Iwald is gonna stay at his chambers for a year for this lack of responsibility on his part.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 13, 2018, 04:11:52 pm
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Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2018, 04:42:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 13, 2018, 04:49:25 pm
I'm going to vote
B
because locking someone away for a year feels pretty harsh. Although I don't think we really have enough info to judge either way. Probably whoever is in charge of teaching them swordsmanship should be the one to decide the punishment.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 13, 2018, 04:55:55 pm
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Post by: helmacon on February 14, 2018, 01:18:49 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 14, 2018, 02:06:01 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2018, 02:15:02 am
If it happens again, that's gonna be our signal to intervene.
If it happens again, somebody could die! ...Eh, screw it. I'm more or less resigned to the fact that we are doomed to piss off, disinherit, or kill all of our sons no matter what we do. Somebody find us another wife so we can get started on a fresh batch.
Post by: helmacon on February 14, 2018, 02:57:18 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2018, 03:02:13 am
Imagine how many kids we would have at this point if our wife was still alive...
Perhaps one or two extra. I think she was getting towards the end of her childbearing years.
Post by: Haspen on February 14, 2018, 12:55:07 pm
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Wao such near-tie V;
It was accident, and thus Iwald is forgiven.
1146 AD, Mid-Spring
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Success in the Ironbone mountains! A tribe of orcs has been decimated and finally a possible source of all things orcish has been located; deep in the mountains, in a secluded valley that rarely sees sunlight due to high peaks surrounding it, your men discovered a cave, as wide as four wagons and taller than a hovel, surrounded by graves and totems of orcs and their trophies (read: victims). At the time of writing this report, your officers are already preparing a search team to investigate the giant cave.
Meanwhile, there was a calamity in the fighting against the nomads; in heat of battle, the Eldricans didn't provide enough cover for your Thundercats, resulting in massacre of your soldiers, capture of valuable Fireblood machines, and subsequent routing of Eldrican forces.
According to your officers (those who survived that's it), four thousand Methiantese total perished in this single battle, and at least thirty machines have been lost to Ogan's men. Eldrican generals are blaming yours for 'being in the way at the worst possible moment', while your officers are blaming their Eldrican counterparts for not allowing them enough free reign, especially in terms of Thundercat operations.
A) Clearly, the fools will only drag us down. Our soldiers will return to Methiant at once!
B) I must quickly write a letter of complaint to Tetan I, lest his foolish officers get us all killed!
C) I'm sure our two Armies can sort things out without political maneuvering above them.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 14, 2018, 12:59:15 pm
b
Political maneuvering happens in the battlefield the same day we start to lose.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 14, 2018, 01:02:19 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on February 14, 2018, 02:25:35 pm
A
Post by: ZBridges on February 14, 2018, 02:31:44 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 14, 2018, 02:33:04 pm
I think literally selling a son to a potentially enemy nation would justify all the bad things the npcs have said about us tbh.That would be an incredibly uncharitable way to describe sending one of our best generals to direct our own war effort on behalf of one of our allies and tributaries.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 14, 2018, 02:33:51 pm
Edit: And maybe more importantly that appears to be how the npcs would think of it, given past history.
We've gotten discontent for sending our sons to help our extremely long term allies. We've been chewed out for sending them to stop a rebellion.
We've been insulted and plotted against when one of them of their own volition went into a dangerous situation and died.
Sending one to fight against the hordes on the behalf of a nation that was a few years ago trying to kill us, in exchange for them paying us money none the less, seems like it'd merit a response harsher then any of the previous.
Post by: Taricus on February 14, 2018, 02:35:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2018, 02:39:26 pm
I think literally selling a son to a potentially enemy nation would justify all the bad things the npcs have said about us tbh.
A
I never said they were wrong. We want spoils of war, and I at least am OOC willing to sacrifice sons to get it. We have enough grandkids tucked away that it is unlikely we run out of heirs.
I think B is kinda a win-win. A good roll helps us win the war, and brings us closer to 20 years of payment. A bad roll pisses our allies off, giving us an excuse to abandon them, lick our wounds, and perhaps seize control of Koi 'for its own protection' when the war starts going bad for the Eldricans.
Thought: is the land between Cydwyl and the Kahnite the sort one could march an army across? We might actually be better served teaming up with our son-in-law and attacking the nomads from their poorly defended north.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 14, 2018, 02:49:01 pm
I think we should let the generals fight.
Our generals are better, though.
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 14, 2018, 02:55:32 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 14, 2018, 05:32:36 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 14, 2018, 10:01:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 15, 2018, 03:37:37 pm
bbbbbbbbb
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You send an angry letter to Tetan I, explaining that his officers are undermining the efforts and competency of your glorious army.
1146 AD, Late Spring
While you're being informed that Eldrican-Methiant forces to work together and beat up the Khanate a bit, it seems that two people want to meet with you; a diplomat sent by Tetan I to discuss military misunderstandings, and a messenger from the mountain expedition, apparently bringing some terrific and urgent news.
First you decide to deal with the...
A) West.
B) South.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 15, 2018, 03:40:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 15, 2018, 03:40:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 15, 2018, 03:48:27 pm
Post by: Imic on February 15, 2018, 04:25:48 pm
we need to install a queue.+1
Post by: Haspen on February 15, 2018, 04:47:05 pm
The messenger drops to his knee.
"My liege! A terrific and startling discovery was made by our brave soldiers sent to investigate the orcish cave. They say they've marched through it for what seemed a day, and emerged on the other side. The landscape they saw was rocky and without trees, but what startled them most was the place's nightly stay - and two golden moons above!!" The courtiers gasp and murmur loudly before the messenger is allowed to speak again.
"Then the orcs attacked their camp and they had to retreat, but they brought news of what they've seen, and dispatched me to inform you of this with haste." Truly, nobody expected the Orcish Inqui- world to actually exist. Or maybe the soldiers got drunk? Still...
A) A new world awaits us! More soldiers into the mountains, we need to know more about our future holdings!
B) A world filled with orcs ready to flood over? We need to explode the cave and seal the path immediately!
C) A portal to mystical unknown world? We need a Wizard to deal with this supernatural occurence!
D) A chokepoint like this will be easy to defend. Just post some guards and orcish problem gets solved forever!
Post by: mightymushroom on February 15, 2018, 04:50:35 pm
I feel like our army is too busy to do this properly, but I don't want it permanently sealed either.
Too bad we can't hire some adventurers to explore the other side.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 15, 2018, 04:52:35 pm
D is also fine if we revisit it, yes.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 15, 2018, 04:52:56 pm
We just lost too many dudes in the latest war to do so now.
Post by: Twinwolf on February 15, 2018, 04:55:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 15, 2018, 04:55:25 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 15, 2018, 04:55:33 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 15, 2018, 04:56:18 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 15, 2018, 04:56:37 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on February 15, 2018, 04:57:30 pm
C. Twin told me to vote wizard.I said precisely the opposite :V
Post by: Criptfeind on February 15, 2018, 05:00:11 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 15, 2018, 05:12:46 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 15, 2018, 05:14:02 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 15, 2018, 05:31:57 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 15, 2018, 05:43:22 pm
Post by: Iituem on February 15, 2018, 05:43:50 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 15, 2018, 06:05:01 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 15, 2018, 06:18:41 pm
No option to inform our neighboor of the possibly apocalyptic threat?
We beat back the orcs it spawned with whatever leftovers we didn't send west. I don't think this is something we can justify as an apocalyptic threat.
Post by: Prophet on February 15, 2018, 06:34:52 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 15, 2018, 06:42:56 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 15, 2018, 06:49:17 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 15, 2018, 07:23:04 pm
No option to inform our neighboor of the possibly apocalyptic threat?
We beat back the orcs it spawned with whatever leftovers we didn't send west. I don't think this is something we can justify as an apocalyptic threat.
The way it sounded, what we beat back was pretty much Orcs who stumbled into the passageway, there is no telling how bad it would be if we got some REAL attention on it.
Post by: birdy51 on February 15, 2018, 07:23:47 pm
We've not had a Wizard in a while and they are usually pretty fun.
Post by: helmacon on February 15, 2018, 09:04:44 pm
Why would you people want to destroy this golden opportunity?!
Sure we can't do it right now, but someday we will found the first interplanetary empire of man!
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 15, 2018, 10:12:46 pm
Post by: melkor on February 16, 2018, 04:36:06 am
Post by: Imic on February 16, 2018, 05:07:05 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 16, 2018, 11:43:24 am
Post by: Haspen on February 17, 2018, 05:30:55 am
b
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You decide that the other 'world' is best left alone and the entrance simply guarded, this way you can control orcish incursions and possibly keep Ironbone Mountains safe forever. Dispatches are sent to the mountainous garrisons, to establish a perimeter around the cave.
Next is the diplomat from Tetan I.
The diplomat goes on that your Army officers seem to not realize whom they're fighting with. While the tactic of bombardment horses is sound one against few hundred auxiliaries, the rate of Fireblood machines' fire is not that useful against thousands upon thousands of fast-moving, fighting-and-retreating, backstabbing and circling horse nomads. Furthermore, they refuse to adopt the Eldrican approach of fielding cavalry units to counter the initial charges, instead preferring to find a defensive terrain and weather the assaults there.
"My master, Tetan I's finds your army's arrogance and superiority complex unacceptable for the goal of mutual military cooperation. He asks that you control your troops more definitely, otherwise he sees no real advantage in continuing the cooperative military endeavour." Your courtiers murmur; the officers and your sons, especially Iwald, believe that its Eldricans who are simply too arrogant to accept the superiority of well-honed and professional Methiantese.
A) "Fine then, my soldiers will be going home, thank you very much!"
B) "It is King Tetan who is wrong. Tell him that, and ask him to order his officers to listen to the superior experience and knowledge of my professional officers."
C) "Seems that it was my Army officers who were wrong after all. You can assure your King that I will send orders to my soldiers, asking them to listen to their Eldrican counterparts."
D) "I will send one of my military sons to better coordinate our forces and foster unity between our peoples!"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 17, 2018, 05:47:06 am
Although if this wins I'd like to rethink our stance on the Orc homeworld.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 17, 2018, 06:36:55 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 17, 2018, 08:38:33 am
D! Let's let Iwald put his money where his mouth is.
D Yeah!
Post by: helmacon on February 17, 2018, 08:57:33 am
We still get paid if we go home, right?
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 17, 2018, 09:00:06 am
We still get paid if we go home, right?
Probably voids the contract, I'm thinking.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 17, 2018, 09:12:50 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 17, 2018, 10:00:18 am
Nooooo.
We can't send our sons to go die in the defense of these assholes.
I don't really want to vote A either but that's the only other option that's winning. So
A
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 17, 2018, 10:37:07 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 17, 2018, 10:52:06 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 17, 2018, 11:00:12 am
Let em get ravaged. Then we come for their lands.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 17, 2018, 12:13:54 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 17, 2018, 12:23:52 pm
How many sons do we have left, exactly
Five, not counting the exceedingly wise Ustwelf.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 17, 2018, 12:58:32 pm
Post by: Iituem on February 17, 2018, 01:19:00 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 17, 2018, 01:29:02 pm
We've got too many anyway, go throw one at them.
Post by: birdy51 on February 17, 2018, 02:15:14 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 17, 2018, 02:49:19 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 17, 2018, 02:50:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 17, 2018, 03:17:32 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 17, 2018, 03:45:56 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 17, 2018, 04:23:53 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 17, 2018, 04:35:13 pm
Post by: melkor on February 17, 2018, 04:42:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 17, 2018, 07:00:41 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on February 17, 2018, 10:17:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2018, 04:01:10 am
"I will go, and prove my skills once again!" The kid's full of drive today, it seems.
A) "No, Houlandin will go instead."
B) "Go then, and bring us glory!"
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2018, 04:04:05 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2018, 04:07:18 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 18, 2018, 07:05:15 am
Post by: birdy51 on February 18, 2018, 07:17:21 am
B
Post by: Taricus on February 18, 2018, 09:54:51 am
Post by: Prophet on February 18, 2018, 10:15:22 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 18, 2018, 10:55:49 am
I'll go against the grain here. I still think Iwald tried to kill his brother, and his attitude now just feels too eager. Better reign in his independence.
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2018, 12:14:12 pm
1146 AD, Summer
Terrible storms are destroying crops in the region, but Methiant is spared, with only some of the borderlands in Eval and Tiftit suffering minor damage.
You receive report from the west.
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Apparently, Iwald's presence and his role as both mediator and leader for Methiantese soldiers helped with the situation; Iwald has managed to explain that infighting will only lead to Ogan's victory, and that's what neither of Kingdoms wants now!
1146 AD, Midsummer
Some minor skirmishes were won by combined Eldrican-Methiantese forces.
1146 AD, Late Summer
And few more. The allied forces began moving westwards toward the heartlands of the steppes, south of the Forest and Elfin Pond.
1146 AD, Autumn
A great battle saw three thousand of combined Methiant-Eldrican men die, but twice that of nomads perished in coordinated onslaught of artillery fire, charges and flanking.
While you're making a round in the upper floors of the castle, you feel watched, you feel endangered and even scared, a bit. This feeling continues until you end up in one of the unused rooms that once housed your father's first wife, Gedavina. Not much is left, except a bed without sheets, and a small table in the corner.
Here, you feel at ease. You spend a while here, mayhaps even an hour, resting quite nicely in the stillness, darkness and silence of the place.
A) Some evil must've set its foot in the castle and chased me away into hiding here! I must send for some priests to purify the old keep from darkness!
B) Hmm, this chamber looks quite spacious. Mayhaps it is that I found myself a new study where I can read books and spend time in quiet?
C) Something strange must be dwelling in here and pulled me to set my foot in. I need to consult with some mystics to determine the significance of this place.
D) That was nice. Let's get back to my room now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 18, 2018, 12:19:10 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 18, 2018, 12:28:39 pm
Post by: Imic on February 18, 2018, 12:39:57 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 18, 2018, 12:46:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 18, 2018, 12:48:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 12:49:58 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 18, 2018, 01:20:12 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 18, 2018, 02:03:49 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 18, 2018, 02:13:26 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2018, 02:13:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2018, 02:19:27 pm
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Over the time, you will spend more and more time in this room. Far away from others, far away from troubles and far away from demands of the Kingdom. People will begin to say you are losing touch with the world, and with your mind, but what do they know?
Congratulations! Cyl I gained reclusive negative trait!
1146 AD, Mid-Autumn
Another big battle and another few thousand of casualties, most of them on nomad's side.
1146 AD, Late Autumn
Joyous news come from the west! Khan Ogan has been slain during a battle against the allied forces, and the remainder of his supporters decided to surrender finally. Tetan I however have not concluded the campaign, and is instead occupying the vast steppes, his soldiers, missionaries and officials attempting to rein in and enlighten the nomadic peoples.
A) Our job is done though. Time to recall the Army and remind Tetan of our deal.
B) I'm sure we can assist Tetan's men for a while longer.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2018, 02:20:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 02:22:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 18, 2018, 02:23:42 pm
Post by: Imic on February 18, 2018, 02:25:38 pm
He deserves it for all the trouble he caused us.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 18, 2018, 02:45:59 pm
Defense of our
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 18, 2018, 03:03:35 pm
A little more friendship gets us a little closer to incorporating Eldrican and the steppes into our Empire.
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2018, 03:14:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2018, 03:19:19 pm
1146 AD, Winter
Gemstones and gold arrive in your Treasury.
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Some profits from glasswork arrive this year as well.
You receive a letter from Tetan I; in the letter he thanks you for the services rendered by your noble soldiers, and affirms that the Duke of Koi was instructed to start sending some silver to your Treasury, and believes first caravan should be in Methiant by Spring or Summer.
1146 AD, Midwinter
Iwald and Houlandin are butting heads!
Apparently, Iwald, having 'tasted' the terrain outside the hilly Methiant, have discovered newfound respect for mass cavalry charges. He wishes to therefore expand, probably at the cost of foot regiments, to expand on the mounted units in the Army. Houlandin says that what Methiant has, professional footmen and artillery, is well-suited for protection of the Empire, and therefore shouldn't be suddenly switching philosophies of warfare if the previous one is working well so far.
That wouldn't be anything bad if not for the fact that their argument has already spread to upper echelons of Methiantese Army, and there are already opposing schools of thought developing amongst the officers.
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That is yet another argument that weighs heavily on you. Instead of taking sides, you decide to retreat to your study and weather the storm till it sorts itself out.
And it does - Houlandin and Iwald are both respected commanders, but your heir being heir gains more support, and therefore sword-and-fireblood doctrine will prevail in Methiant, at least for a while longer.
1146 AD, End of the Year
If not for the Advisor bringing Scrolls of Kingdom Status to your new, peaceful study, you wouldn't notice that afternoon have already passed into late evening. How's the numbers, you ask?
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Happiness: 5
Population: 7
Economy: 2
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: 0
"Despite heavy losses in the fighting against nomads, the recruitment offices managed to get us large bit of replacements and new recruits. However our expenses continue to outweigh our income. The Treasurer believes we should extend the tax increase for another year. And considering that your authority in the Empire is rather stable, maybe it's a good moment to issue an Edict, your Majesty?"
You decide to...
A) Keep taxes high but pass on edict this year.
B) Keep taxes high, and issue an edict.
C) Lower the taxes and issue an edict.
D) Lower the taxes but pass on edict this year.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 18, 2018, 03:21:47 pm
However our expenses continue to outweigh our expenses.I think you meant income :P
B
Post by: Lucus Casius on February 18, 2018, 03:22:23 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 18, 2018, 03:22:57 pm
Gotta grab those Shadowranks, the perfect addition to a reclusive monarch's residence.
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2018, 03:28:06 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 03:31:53 pm
Time for our Diplomacy Corps!
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2018, 03:34:57 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Establish Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Establish Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 18, 2018, 03:49:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2018, 03:51:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 03:52:02 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 18, 2018, 04:05:41 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 18, 2018, 04:09:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 18, 2018, 04:11:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 04:18:24 pm
Establish the Shadowranks
I don't know, with that new negitive trait, I'm kinda thinking Cyl dying might not be the worst thing in the world.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 18, 2018, 05:13:48 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 18, 2018, 05:23:18 pm
Edit: Leath Corps, I am bad at names...
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 18, 2018, 05:30:58 pm
Diplomatic Corps, though I would suggest naming it after our late son instead. The Luath Corps, or somesuch.
Leath, Luath is the guy who wanted to dethrone us in the civil war.
Post by: Arlos on February 18, 2018, 05:33:11 pm
No Edict
Post by: Twinwolf on February 18, 2018, 05:35:33 pm
We, quite simply, do not have the economy necessary for the upkeep of another institution.Gotta agree there. No Edict.
No Edict
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2018, 05:38:50 pm
We, quite simply, do not have the economy necessary for the upkeep of another institution.
No Edict
We are about to start getting silver imports from Koi, and we are just about finished paying the dwarves. Ideally improved diplomatic relations will also mean more opportunities to rent our army out in the future.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 18, 2018, 05:42:16 pm
Establish the shadowranks.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 18, 2018, 05:59:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 18, 2018, 06:00:55 pm
I want the education stuff, but maybe the shadow ranks can make us less paranoid? Or more?We are not paranoid, we are reclusive.
Establish the shadowranks.
Diplomatic Corps
Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2018, 07:03:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 12:49:19 pm
1147 AD, Summer
True to his word, Tetan I's silver arrives in your Treasury.
Few days pass...
You furrow your brows in Iwald's general direction. Why is it you're almost never told about this beforehand?
This very morning, Iwald came to you to say he has something important to announce, and just now he showed up with a girl about his age, with long, blonde hair and two green eyes shining like emeralds.
"Father, this is Lerna, daughter of an Eldrican nobleman, Oto. When I was lightly wounded in fighting against the nomads, she nevertheless lended me her bedroom and kept her family doctors around me day and night. Since then, I couldn't forget about her kindness and her beauty. So, here I am, asking that you allow me to marry Lerna!"
You decide to...
A) Deny him this priviledge of marrying for love.
B) Let him marry Lerna, the girl of his dreams.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 19, 2018, 12:51:49 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 19, 2018, 01:00:29 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 19, 2018, 01:06:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 01:15:00 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 19, 2018, 01:16:03 pm
inb4 scandal again
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 01:17:50 pm
B
inb4 scandal again
I think the secret is that our kids create scandals regardless of what choices we make for them.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 19, 2018, 01:24:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 01:32:44 pm
1147 AD, Autumn
Iwald marries Lerna in a small ceremony, attended by bride's father, some other Eldrican nobles, your courtiers. Your half-sister and sister respectively, Valhelma and Gea, also show up, brining gifts for Lerna.
1147 AD, Winter
Gold, gemstones and finally, silver, get in your Treasury.
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And again, the glasswork brings only modest profits.
1147 AD, Midwinter
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The Diplomatic Corps are especially popular with young noblemen and their parents, who would have quite a few advantages coming off from their sons traveling and dealing with neighbouring monarchs and their own aristocrats.
1147 AD, End of the Year
Well, huh. The year came and went. It was surprisingly tranquil and peaceful, but you cannot complain.
As you're sipping on the wine, enjoying this quiet, frosty morning, the Advisor comes in with Scrolls of Kingdom Status, ready for you to peruse them.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -1
"Your liege! I'm happy to announce that the Royal Treasury is slowly filling up. The people's are content at the moment, even if the statesmen weren't able to improve your authority within the Empire."
"What's more important is that the Army has seen a great increase in numbers. The officers and soldiers alike are very confident of their skill and power. That's why the Marshal asked to come with me..."
The door opens and the Marshal, wearing that feathery helmet of his, salutes you, his body stiff and springy like a piece of machinery.
"My liege! Our troops are ready, our Fireblood stocked up, and our horses saddled! We itch for a fight, one that will bring glory and victory to the Empire!"
A) "We don't need wars at the moment. Ask me some other time, please."
B) "Agree! Let the world tremble before the might of Methiantese Army!"
The Advisor butts in for one last question.
"I wish to ask whether you would like to issue an Edict this year too, your Majesty."
A) "Nah."
B) "Sure!"
Post by: crazyabe on February 19, 2018, 01:35:13 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 19, 2018, 01:35:22 pm
Let's invade Orcworld
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 19, 2018, 01:38:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 19, 2018, 01:41:09 pm
Lets just beef up security and wait.
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 19, 2018, 01:41:20 pm
I'd like to be a bit more secure with our Treasury first. You never know what'll happen.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 01:41:47 pm
Lets bust some Orcs!
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 01:52:44 pm
Maybe just some good ol' plunder and territorial grabs?
A) Send out and armed expedition into Orcworld!
B) Time to make Duchy of Koi our vassal now!
C) Let's liberate the true Ceodwell peoples in southern Parsia!
D) Sorry Cidric, but you and your Kingdom have outlived your usefulness!
E) About time to renew our ancestral rivalry with the south - Lametania!
F) Our hour of revenge against dwarves draws near!
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 19, 2018, 01:53:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 19, 2018, 01:56:21 pm
A
;.;
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 01:57:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 19, 2018, 02:00:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 02:00:44 pm
Where's the option to commit suicide by dwarf?
There, added ;v
Post by: crazyabe on February 19, 2018, 02:01:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 19, 2018, 02:03:13 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 19, 2018, 02:04:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 02:24:43 pm
1: War might snap the Emperor out of his reclusiveness, or kill him so we can switch to a non reclusive son.
2: We should have a serious equipment advantage over the savage foe, so a +2 Martial bonus would be overkill; We could settle for the +1 conqueror bonus here
3: We could very well run into some interdemensional bullshit where our lucky trait would be of more help than a Martial trait.
Also, I wouldn't mind sending our wise son along with the expedition as well. He might possess an understanding of whatever interdemensional bullshit we might encounter.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 19, 2018, 02:26:13 pm
Anyway, A
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 02:28:23 pm
You guys do know that our max is now 12 not 10, so we could have gone another few years to really max it out right?
Anyway, A
I thought we did some budget cuts. I don't think the Marshal comes out and says 'Lets go to war' unless we are right on top of the ceiling.
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 19, 2018, 02:30:56 pm
Post by: Imic on February 19, 2018, 02:52:48 pm
Let's give Cyl one last battle, against invaders from another world.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 19, 2018, 02:57:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 19, 2018, 03:19:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 03:39:24 pm
1148 AD, Spring
The Army is underway to invade the new world; materiel, supplies and rations are being stockpiled while Spymaster's agents, in cooperation with Army officers and scouts, are getting detailed info on the surroundings of the other side of the tunnel and attempting to discern the locations of the orcish camps and settlements.
1148 AD, Mid-Spring
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The scouts and spies worked hard for the past month and they bring information about the new world, which is potentially both disturbing and dissappointing.
Apparently, the sandy wasteland on the other side of the tunnel stretches for days. Careful observations and estimations seem to point that the wasteland might be as large as Methiant proper (that's it, without Tiftit, Ceodwell and Eval). Furthermore, the land, while possessing quite a few streams and minor rivers, seems to be unlikely to support farming. Twisted trees stretch toward the sun with needle-like leaves on them. Bushes, peppered with strange flowers, berries and thorns adorn every shadowed nook and valley.
The orcish settlements seem to be varied in size and location, apparently. Your officers believe that the Orcs, like their mountainous parties, might be living a nomadic style of life. For example, a large settlement that was spotted by your scouts shortly after passing into this new world for the first time is nowhere to be seen, it's location only confirmed by very old campfire pits and some disturbing mass graves, filled with bones of various animals (and what seem to be at least few dozen orcs).
Another interesting discovery was made in not a mass grave, but a special pit definitely made for ritualistic reasons. The spies found bones and skull belonging to someone near human, but different, and definitely not belonging to an orc. The spies believe it might've been someone taller, of thicker bone structure, almost fang-like teeth and, surprisingly, larger brain-space in the skull than that of humans. Much of the bones were wrapped in what is now scraps of some blue cloth, possibly some kind of dress or uniform, and remains of rope, blackened and torn but still preserved in the sand, wrapped around what seemed to be hands and legs of the individual.
Very curious - especially that no representative of these species have been seen in this 'Orcworld'!
The Army is currently establishing a fortified camp on the other side of the tunnel. For safety reasons, Fireblood machines have not been brought to the other world yet. Your officers say that the last thing they want to see is Orcs seizing, or, Alldivines forbid, reverse-engineering Fireblood or weapons using it.
1148 AD, Late Spring
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Some more of the orcish lands were charted. Some scouts, who went 'westwards' (if it is actually westwards, they're using the world's sun for directions), report that the land was much healthier there, albeit vegetation was still scarce and they have yet to find any animals besides some insects, small lizards and such.
1148 AD, Summer
Silver from Koi arrives in your Treasury.
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Disaster has struck the expeditionary force! A large group of marauding orcs have captured three dozen of men who were charting the east of the tunnel, with only few escaping to report this accident. Your Army is scrambling to prepare a rescue operation, lest the brave explorers end in orcish mass graves.
A delegation of Pantheonist priests have arrived at your keep, asking for an audience.
"Most blessed Emperor! We've come to seek aid and benevolence of the Crown of Methiant. One of our most important and oldest temples have recently collapsed after an accident involving an ox-driven cart. We hope to rebuild the temple, but this year we're very short on funds. Our superiors have noted that you're enthusiastic supporter of cults in the Empire, and thus we've come to ask you to provide monetary aid to us, so that we can restore the old temple to its greatness."
You decide to...
A) Inform them that they're on their own, unfortunately.
B) Be generous and sponsor reconstruction of the old temple.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 03:42:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 19, 2018, 03:44:27 pm
I thought we did some budget cuts. I don't think the Marshal comes out and says 'Lets go to war' unless we are right on top of the ceiling.
I don't think anybody but Haspen knows for sure how many soldiers the extra funding buys us. I suspect the Marshal only looked at the 9, not the "out of a possible N." It might have been nice to find out, but oh well.
I also would have preferred not to extend the taxes, but oh well.
B Since we have the extra taxes...
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 19, 2018, 03:48:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 04:02:19 pm
I don't think anybody but Haspen knows for sure how many soldiers the extra funding buys us. I suspect the Marshal only looked at the 9, not the "out of a possible N." It might have been nice to find out, but oh well.
Each extra funding for Army itself raises the maximum of rating by 1, up to Empire's increased roof of 12. You're sitting at 9 thanks to both 2 points of funding and recruitment offices.
To get to maximum ceiling of 12 (equalling to about 35-40k of soldiers with current scaling), you would need to increase funding of Army to 5 per year. After all, military is the most expensive part of budgeting, everywhere :P
Post by: Criptfeind on February 19, 2018, 04:06:02 pm
Huh. Interesting, actual mechanics information. And recruitment offices not only increase the flow inward, but also the cap itself? That's pretty cool. Would the increased standards edict increase the army size cap?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 19, 2018, 04:07:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 19, 2018, 04:08:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 04:16:12 pm
Huh. Interesting, actual mechanics information. And recruitment offices not only increase the flow inward, but also the cap itself? That's pretty cool. Would the increased standards edict increase the army size cap?
Like in previous instances, amass enough Economy and an option to increase Army budget will show up itself at End of Year-list. Or maybe the marshal will chime in with the request instead, you never know :P
Post by: Twinwolf on February 19, 2018, 04:28:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 19, 2018, 04:52:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 19, 2018, 04:53:05 pm
1148 AD, Midsummer
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You learn that the rescue party failed to free the captives before they were killed. Few items were recovered to return them to their families.
1148 AD, Late Summer
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You have the special honour of the being the first human Kingdom to establish contact with new species. Elves, orcs, dwarves, forget all these - it is time to meet the Ur-uk!
Apparently, a new group of soldiers decided to not abandon all hope and raid a small encampment of orcish savages in search of some survivors. Much to their surprise, they have managed to free a trio of 'Ur-uk'. They're most surely of the same kind as the old skeleton in ceremonial pit. They're taller and stockier than humans, the average height of the three being somewhere around seven feet. They have thicker shoulders and hips, and they're slightly bent forward. They have luxurious manes of black hair, one of them having an impressively long ponytail, the other had it tied them around their somewhat pointy ears.
They look and behave somewhat animalistic however; their fangs protrude from their lower jaws, and their teeth seem to be triangular rather than square, and the noises they make are both loud and guttural.
They all wore uniforms; dyed black and silver and dark blue, with intricate buttons made of bronze or some of their 'local' equivalent. Comparing the uniforms of the three shown that one of them wore a sash, indicating some higher rank or maybe immediate superiority over the two other Ur-uk.
Unfortunately that is all your soldiers gained from the first contact. The language of the Ur-uk was incomprehensible and truly alien; their guttural speech was made of simple syllables, all intoned differently, and syllables 'uk' and 'uh' seem to be dominant. Quite possibly it's the intonation and the sound that conveys information or context, not the actual syllables itself.
The Ur-Uk have parted ways with your human oldiers, exchanging some jewellery during the goodbye; a large button on the 'commander's' collar was exchanged for Methiant-made silver cloak clasp of one of your scouts. Then, the Ur-Uk were content on scavenging supplies from the raided orcish encampment and depart in southernly direction. Last thing your soldiers noted was that those Ur-Uk, for their stocky and big build, seem to be able to run hella fast.
Why Ur-Uk, you ask? When the soldiers tried to introduce themselves, making emphasis on 'hu-man', the Ur-Uk pointed at themselves, speaking those two syllables repeatedly, and there you go.
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It seems however that your discovery won't remain a secret at all. Some scholarly-minded soldiers have already begun taking notes and exchanging thoughts, and some loudmouths have already shared the news with their friends and companions on your side of the tunnel.
A) No, noo, nooo! This is a secret operation in secret world inside a secret tunnel! We need to profit from it first! Time to make it doubly secret and punish anyone who spills the beans!
B) Then we will become pioneers in this knowledge and sell it abroad! About time all those pen-pushers go and write up some real good stuff.
C) Eh, it will become public knowledge sooner or later anyways, what's the point in trying to hide all this new world for ourselves?
Post by: Taricus on February 19, 2018, 04:55:27 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 19, 2018, 04:56:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 19, 2018, 04:58:09 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 19, 2018, 04:58:36 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 19, 2018, 05:02:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 05:04:17 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 19, 2018, 05:04:36 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 19, 2018, 05:05:30 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 19, 2018, 06:01:01 pm
This is the kind of shit that get the dwarfs and elves meddling in our affairs.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2018, 06:04:53 pm
A
This is the kind of shit that get the dwarfs and elves meddling in our affairs.
And if we fail whatever roll there is to keep it secret, they meddle anyway. Might as well get as much as we can out of the deal.
...On that note, though, I wounder if we could get the Dwarfs to pay us to catch them Orcish Slaves? Then we could profit off the portal cave without having to spend any money improving and settling the lands beyond.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 19, 2018, 06:53:21 pm
It will get out anyway, might as well make some cash off of it.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 19, 2018, 07:16:50 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 20, 2018, 05:46:17 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 20, 2018, 05:47:56 pm
Speaking of Passage Tax, did we remember to put up "Welcome to Methiant" signs around the mountains on our side?
I'd assume that our 'camp the choke point' decision we made upon first discovering the cave involved setting up a permanent military installation, where we can collect the tax.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 20, 2018, 06:25:06 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 20, 2018, 06:35:10 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 20, 2018, 07:01:08 pm
The Iron mountain certainly aren’t Methianese, revealing the existence of the portal and expecting neighborhing to just accept isn’t really what I want to do.
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 20, 2018, 07:02:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 20, 2018, 07:15:42 pm
A. We are not in a position to compete with Parsian, Gubta, or worse Damdamian expeditions. Our claim to the region the portal is in is tenuous, and we can't afford to have foreign expeditions trying to pile in through it before we better establish our own foothold on the other side.
I don't disagree with the logic behind the people voting A, but there are two points that lead me to believe B is the better play.:
1: A's chance of actually working is a coin flip at best. B we at least get something out of the deal.
2: We control the choke-point leading into the cave. I'm pretty sure our neighbors would literally have to make war upon us to get in without our blessing. Hopefully none of our neighbors are dumb enough to attack an Emperor known for conquests and disproportionate retribution over a bunch of nomads and wastelands.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 20, 2018, 07:33:49 pm
To get to maximum ceiling of 12 (equalling to about 35-40k of soldiers with current scaling)
So if the conversion rate is linear, our 9 should translate into something like 30k. They're spread around the Empire and the new world, but still I think that's enough to be competitive when we already hold the ground.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 20, 2018, 07:41:47 pm
To get to maximum ceiling of 12 (equalling to about 35-40k of soldiers with current scaling)
So if the conversion rate is linear, our 9 should translate into something like 30k. They're spread around the Empire and the new world, but still I think that's enough to be competitive when we already hold the ground.
I believe we still have an alliance with our son-in-law as well, and can call on him if somebody wants a piece of us. Not to mention superior fire-blood machines and martial sons. If the Damdamians decide to throw the full weight of their empire into chasing us from the mountains, we may have to back off, but otherwise we should be fine.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 20, 2018, 09:38:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 21, 2018, 02:07:52 pm
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You decide to not supress the knowledge; instead, notes are sent to scribes around Methiant that a new world has been discovered, with new lands and new species and new stars on the sky to chart.
1148 AD, Autumn
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Scholars from around the region and beyond come to the Ironbone Mountains. Locals have a great time, serving as guides and mercenaries for heavy coin as the scholars furiously scribble down rumors, hearsays and reports from those on the other side, and few even brave to check the new world themselves (off course, staying put in the fortified camp on the other side). You can bet many books and scrolls will be written in next years. Who knows, maybe the proliferation of written works and abundance of traveling scholars might trigger some intellectual growth in the Empire?
And now for something different; the king of Lametania has died, and his son, after taking upon the regnal name Dann, has converted publicly with his courtiers to Damed, the Father. Even now your nobles and high clerics mumble about threat of a 'crusade' launched against northern kingdoms that still preach various other faiths.
You're being urged to do something.
A) We don't have anything to do, silly oafs! Damedian faith is already spreading in Methiant because we allow for religious freedom. Why would they attack a nation filled with their own brothers in faith?
B) Truly, this Dann is an enemy and a threat to the stability in the region. Converting like that, he is clearly plotting something! My agents should go and find a way to 'remove' him!
C) Lametania slips away from its northern roots and traditional faith day by day. It's about time we forcibly 'save' the Lametanians from certain doom. To arms!!
Post by: Twinwolf on February 21, 2018, 02:10:23 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 21, 2018, 02:10:39 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 21, 2018, 02:13:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 21, 2018, 02:14:44 pm
Although in this instance, I wish we had the option to send assassins.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 21, 2018, 02:28:10 pm
Although in this instance, I wish we had the option to send assassins.
We do, that's option B.
Post by: Arlos on February 21, 2018, 02:33:42 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 21, 2018, 02:45:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 21, 2018, 03:21:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 21, 2018, 03:22:59 pm
Unless he actually starts... Like, doing things about it, I don't see how it's in our wheelhouse to interfere.
Post by: birdy51 on February 21, 2018, 03:45:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 21, 2018, 03:53:32 pm
Although in this instance, I wish we had the option to send assassins.
We do, that's option B.
Oops. But thinking about it more, I'm still going to go with A. I actually think that the Damdamians launching a crusade would more than likely end well for us. I can think of three ways it would play out if they choose to launch a war of faith in the near future.
A: They decide to divide and conqueror, attacking all their northern neighbors in equal measure. We would likely beat back such a watered down attack, and become the leaders of an anti Damdamian alliance in the process. Perhaps we might even get to peacefully assimilate a neighbor or two; Become part of their empire, you lose your religion, but join ours and you can worship whatever the hell you feel like.
B: They decide to focus on attacking one of our neighbors. In this case, we have options; We can either invade whichever nation they attack to grab a piece for ourselves, or invade them while they are pre-occupied with an offensive war.
C: They decide to focus on attacking us. This is the worst case scenario, but also the least likely; They have to know we are not going to be an easy conquest. We also have a Diplomatic Corps hopefully working on winning their favor and friendship. Even if they do focus on us, we can likely call upon the all-divines and our son-in-law for backup, while having martial sons and superior siege weapons to boot. It would be messy, but by no means would we be straight up doomed.
Post by: Haspen on February 21, 2018, 04:16:11 pm
[A/b]
What kinda vote is that 'v.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 21, 2018, 04:17:30 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2018, 04:23:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 21, 2018, 04:52:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 21, 2018, 04:53:49 pm
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You hush and shush your courtiers. Cult of Damed is welcome in Methiant, and therefore provides a soft cushion against Damdamian aggression, or at least you hope so. There's no need to panic (yet).
1148 AD, Mid-Autumn
You get news from the Orcworld; apparently a forty strong group of mercenaries, scholars and soldiers is going to journey southwards from the tunnel, in hopes of reaching a settlement of Ur-uk, the desire to learn and establish contact with these species being the main topic on the minds of scribes and researchers at the moment.
Meanwhile, you receive a report from one of your royal diplomats, Aólwach, currently working in the northlands. Apparently, the old King Heid of Helliste is looking for a groom for the third and youngest of his daughters, Bjeda, who is eighteen, and is said to have a beautiful singing voice.
A) A perfect match for young Eivan, who himself is barely twenty.
B) A lady like her will help distract Saenn from memories of his lost eye.
C) Not a wife I'm looking for my sons, unfortunately.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 21, 2018, 04:54:58 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2018, 04:55:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 21, 2018, 04:58:23 pm
Uh. Isn't Iwald already married?
Oh yeh. Fixed.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 21, 2018, 04:59:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 21, 2018, 05:00:01 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 21, 2018, 05:02:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 21, 2018, 05:02:31 pm
A
Post by: Weirdsound on February 21, 2018, 05:45:03 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 21, 2018, 06:41:49 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 21, 2018, 07:50:10 pm
This time I don't think I borked the vote up. ;.;
Post by: omada on February 21, 2018, 08:03:32 pm
Because i don't know
although a king might get grumpy of marrying his girl to someone without an eye
hope this works, contact with the sea is what we need right now, shipping exotic goods from orclands to the world, and buying exotic goods from our helliste proxy and reselling them.
Post by: helmacon on February 21, 2018, 11:35:23 pm
sigh...
Post by: Puppyguard on February 21, 2018, 11:41:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2018, 02:35:45 pm
1148 AD, Late Autumn
You hear that Parsians have decided to attack the Agares! The mighty eastern warrior hordes are marching through Waterless Plains and beyond, bringing with them crude Fireblood machines, some Gubta-bred Oliphaunts, and many, many supplies.
1148 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury.
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Even the glassware brings some profits there!
Lerna arrives to marry Eivan. The girl is pretty to the eye and does have a nice voice, but you fail to see any other good quality about her. Eivan, on other hand, cannot seem to be able to pry his eyes from her bosom.
Few days later, an emissary from King Cidric arrives at your court.
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl! My master, King Cidric, falling upon the binding words of the treaty of alliance, requests that Army of Methiant joins his forces upon a crusade against the vile Agaresians. It is about time these mindless rapists, pillagers and arsonists have a taste of their own medicine!"
You decide to...
A) Renounce this worthless treaty!
B) Counteroffer some supplies instead.
C) Sound the horns of war!
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 22, 2018, 02:36:57 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 22, 2018, 02:37:40 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 22, 2018, 02:39:42 pm
C
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 22, 2018, 02:40:14 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 22, 2018, 02:42:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 02:43:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 22, 2018, 02:44:52 pm
Cidric is Cydwyl, not Parsia. But C anyway.
He certainly is, but also!
1148 AD, Late Autumn
You hear that Parsians have decided to attack the Agares! The mighty eastern warrior hordes are marching through Waterless Plains and beyond, bringing with them crude Fireblood machines, some Gubta-bred Oliphaunts, and many, many supplies.
Post by: ZBridges on February 22, 2018, 02:49:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 02:58:44 pm
Cidric is Cydwyl, not Parsia. But C anyway.
He certainly is, but also!1148 AD, Late Autumn
You hear that Parsians have decided to attack the Agares! The mighty eastern warrior hordes are marching through Waterless Plains and beyond, bringing with them crude Fireblood machines, some Gubta-bred Oliphaunts, and many, many supplies.
How did I miss that? Those Lizard riders are fucked.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2018, 03:32:40 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 22, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2018, 03:47:41 pm
1148 AD, Midwinter
You troops have been deployed in eastern Cydwyl.
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Meanwhile, dissappointed scholars and exhausted soldiers are common sight in the Orcworld encampment; their efforts to find the Ur-Uk or any other civilization so far has ended in failure.
1148 AD, Late Winter
A report arrives from distant north-east; the Cydwyls and Parsians joined forces, and King Cidric himself is leading the triple-coalition of armies, already besieging several of Agaresian border forts to grab their attention.
1148 AD, End of the Year
As the mighty war is waged somewhere and some curious scholars try their hardest to discover magnaminous things in other world, you on other hand sit in your study, sipping on the mulled wine. The rain drips outside, the weather this time is rather warm, for a winter. If not for the occassional frost in the morning, you would believe it's actually still autumn.
Enough of this - the Advisor and Scrolls of Kingdom Status have just arrived!
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 6
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -1
"The Empire is doing fine, your Majesty." You can't help but to agree.
"Should I prepare fresh parchment for your next Edict?"
A) "Why not."
B) "Eh, nah."
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 22, 2018, 03:53:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 03:53:50 pm
I'd rather save our money, and when we max out our economy in a year or two hire the dwarves to prospect both the Hurthling Lands and the new world for ore. Every interesting Edict right now looks to either cost money, or is the sort of thing we should pass at high authority.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 22, 2018, 03:56:56 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 22, 2018, 03:57:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2018, 03:57:29 pm
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on February 22, 2018, 04:09:28 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 04:14:09 pm
On another note, did the Imperial palace ever get finished? I remember us putting it on hold at some point and never hearing from it again afterward.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 04:18:11 pm
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On another note, did the Imperial palace ever get finished? I remember us putting it on hold at some point and never hearing from it again afterward.
You mean the marble keep? I'm 90% sure that we only put it on hold for a year, and that it is now finished. Although we have had a couple of weddings since then, and there was no mention of us using it.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 22, 2018, 04:29:09 pm
I happen to think we can get maximum leverage for those scholars by creating a New World Studies program at the Royal Institute of Learning.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 22, 2018, 04:29:46 pm
Post by: Imic on February 22, 2018, 04:30:56 pm
we need to start that university!B, the university can wait.
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 04:34:19 pm
B
On another note, did the Imperial palace ever get finished? I remember us putting it on hold at some point and never hearing from it again afterward.
You mean the marble keep? I'm 90% sure that we only put it on hold for a year, and that it is now finished. Although we have had a couple of weddings since then, and there was no mention of us using it.
That’s exactly my impression, but since we didn’t hear a word about it I am not sure
A, we need to start that university!It will have to wait until we have more Authority.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 22, 2018, 04:35:08 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 04:37:49 pm
Seems like a pretty good way to get authority, however. What's a more compelling statement on the Empire's glory than an unmatched house of learning?
Every edict cost authority, I am guessing the nobles or the religious people would get pissed at us for this.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 04:42:52 pm
Seems like a pretty good way to get authority, however. What's a more compelling statement on the Empire's glory than an unmatched house of learning?
I like the university as well, but I'd rather save up and invest in Dwarven Prospectors when we get the opportunity.
Assuming the dwarves don't randomly visit and offer to prospect for us, we have to wait until we max out our economy for that. It will be quicker to max out our economy if we are not paying for a university, so lets do that first.
Seems like a pretty good way to get authority, however. What's a more compelling statement on the Empire's glory than an unmatched house of learning?
Every edict cost authority, I am guessing the nobles or the religious people would get pissed at us for this.
I think the relationship between authority and edicts is some sort of complicated roll. I know at one point when our authority was low, our adviser suggested passing an edict to strengthen it. Also, when Houladin flipped out at us, he cited us not passing enough edicts as one of the reasons that we were a weak emperor.
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 04:45:48 pm
I think the reason we got authority this one time was because we gave away some of the nobility/imperial power to the commoners, the text pretty much said that this could cause problem later on.Seems like a pretty good way to get authority, however. What's a more compelling statement on the Empire's glory than an unmatched house of learning?
I like the university as well, but I'd rather save up and invest in Dwarven Prospectors when we get the opportunity.
Assuming the dwarves don't randomly visit and offer to prospect for us, we have to wait until we max out our economy for that. It will be quicker to max out our economy if we are not paying for a university, so lets do that first.Seems like a pretty good way to get authority, however. What's a more compelling statement on the Empire's glory than an unmatched house of learning?
Every edict cost authority, I am guessing the nobles or the religious people would get pissed at us for this.
I the relationship between authority and edicts is some sort of complicated roll. I know at one point when our authority was low, our adviser suggested passing an edict to strengthen it. Also, when Houladin flipped out at us, he cited us not passing enough edicts as one of the reasons that we were a weak emperor.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 04:47:27 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2018, 04:48:36 pm
I like the university as well, but I'd rather save up and invest in Dwarven Prospectors when we get the opportunity.A hub of learning might prove better for our ability to discover and exploit resources than dealing with the perfidious dwarves again.
Assuming the dwarves don't randomly visit and offer to prospect for us, we have to wait until we max out our economy for that. It will be quicker to max out our economy if we are not paying for a university, so lets do that first.
Besides, I like the elves better.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 04:56:42 pm
I like the university as well, but I'd rather save up and invest in Dwarven Prospectors when we get the opportunity.A hub of learning might prove better for our ability to discover and exploit resources than dealing with the perfidious dwarves again.
Assuming the dwarves don't randomly visit and offer to prospect for us, we have to wait until we max out our economy for that. It will be quicker to max out our economy if we are not paying for a university, so lets do that first.
Besides, I like the elves better.
I'd agree, but the elves are far away and we don't get an option to deal with them. I was away when you guys voted to sell out big time and restore relations with the digging bastards, and would have argued hard against it, but whats done is done - it was costly as fuck to win their 'friendship', so we might as well get what we can out of it. Also, hiring prospectors should be a fairly safe transaction. They can't 'unprospect' our lands if we slight them.
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 05:04:16 pm
I'd agree, but the elves are far away and we don't get an option to deal with them. I was away when you guys voted to sell out big time and restore relations with the digging bastards, and would have argued hard against it, but whats done is done - it was costly as fuck to win their 'friendship', so we might as well get what we can out of it. Also, hiring prospectors should be a fairly safe transaction. They can't 'unprospect' our lands if we slight them.
They would probably try out of spite
Could be. But I recall an incident in which the adviser suggested that passing an edict might help our authority, while he was asking us to pass an edict.
Here is what we are talking about
Establish The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
Seems pretty clear cut what bring authority and what cost authority.
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2018, 05:12:08 pm
1149 AD, Spring
Reports come of battles fought against Agaresians. The lizard riders would be squashed if not the fearsome giant war lizards they rode, which, your operators have finally confirmed, are not afraid of neither sounds nor flashes of Fireblood explosions.
Meanwhile, your court is inflamed by Iwald's proclamation! He publicly decried Houlandin as unfit to be future Emperor, both physically and mentally, given his lost eye and his preference for men, which endangers the future of the ruling dynasty. Some courtiers are against the youth, but some seem to be at least silently supporting Iwald's claims.
Houlandin and Iwald have failed to reach an agreement, and seem to be willing to come to blows!
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You try your best to ignore this situation, as brothers, like all brothers, always come into conflict over many things. You therefore do not oppose when Iwald challenges Houlandin to a duel to death!
Quote from: A little new mechanic for non-personal dueling? Let's see how it werks
Houlandin* vs Iwald*!
5 vs 5
7 vs 3
As you emerge from your abode of tranquility and peace, you hear terrible news; the two were evenly matched for a while, but ultimately Houlandin struck his mace right into Iwald's head, crushing his skull and killing him instantly. He shows little regret besides some silent contemplation and donation upon the Alldivine altar.
A) He asserted his authority and his right to be an heir. He should be praised!
B) Tis kinslaying! Fratricide! Crime of the worst kind! Houlandin is to be executed!!
C) I have not sanctioned this duel! Houlandin killed his brother, and with that, he lost his priviledge of inheritance!
D) A reprimand and a lecture on morality will do him well to avoid such unfortunate events in the future.
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2018, 05:15:47 pm
Only reason I'm not voting B is not to compound fratricide with filicide.
Okay, fine, D.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 05:23:06 pm
I hate to do it, but he is our last Martial son left. He is too valuable to risk alienating.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 22, 2018, 05:23:25 pm
C
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 05:23:41 pm
What the hell just happen?
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 22, 2018, 05:25:07 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 05:25:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 05:27:45 pm
C
What the hell just happen?
I think that fucking reclusive trait just fucked us. If you guys vote C and piss Houlandin off, it will have really fucked us. For the love of the Alldivine, there is no need for us to loose both of our Martial sons while a large chunk of our army is off knocking around Lizards to the North and another chunk is off splunking a cave. We would be sitting ducks.
I think we need to abdicate soon.
I agree.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 22, 2018, 05:28:11 pm
...
Post by: Prophet on February 22, 2018, 05:29:59 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 22, 2018, 05:31:50 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 22, 2018, 05:32:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 05:34:19 pm
A. I'd prefer D but C is unthinkable IMO. We allowed this to happen, even if we didn't roll for it. Cyl and Houlandin both only look worse for going C, and Houlandin was forced into this situation by Iwald, not the other way round. Plus Houlandin already has multiple children, doesn't he? If so he's a far stronger successor.
I thought Houlandin only had the one kid before he started sleeping with men full time.
...Shit. If we wind up with emperor Houlandin, there is no way we are keeping a single heir alive is there? Not the way we burn through offspring.
Post by: ZBridges on February 22, 2018, 05:40:13 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 22, 2018, 05:44:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 22, 2018, 05:56:53 pm
Iwald was a troublemaker who nearly
Post by: Weirdsound on February 22, 2018, 06:18:14 pm
A
Iwald was a troublemaker who nearlymurdered, except not since we voted that was an accidenttook Saenn's life earlier. He pushed a little too far this time.
Eh. I liked him better than Houlandin, who has the balls to mouth off to us, and might have started a fucking coup had Leath not talked him down that one time. Honestly, next time he acts up we may be fucked, as we no longer have a Charismatic son to calm him down or another Martial one to fend him off.
Still sticking with A though, as we can't afford not to have a Martial son. That +2 bonus could save our ass if we get attacked again. And as Houlandin just helped demonstrait, I think the reclusive trait disqualifies Cyl from holding the throne any longer; Houlandin killing, overthrowing, or even asking us to step down would not be the worst thing in the world.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 22, 2018, 06:21:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 22, 2018, 06:23:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 22, 2018, 07:03:11 pm
C, on one hand we let it slide that one time with Iwald and he also had it coming this time (being the challenger and all), but on the other hand Iwald's little escapade didn't result in anyone's death and could feasibly be considered an accident.
Assuming you mean Iwald's fight with Saenn, if you go back and look at the roll, it absolutely would have been fatal if Saenn did not have the healthy trait and permanently cost an eye as it was. As for whether the martial son nearly split his brother's head in two by accident, well as you say we let it slide.
What was Houlandin supposed to do? Iwald directly challenged him to a duel to the death over the inheritance. If Houlandin had said no, would Iwald have stopped there? "Oh, okay. I take back all those insults because clearly a man who turns down a fight for his honor is the kind of emperor I would be too."
And as Houlandin just helped demonstrait, I think the reclusive trait disqualifies Cyl from holding the throne any longer; Houlandin killing, overthrowing, or even asking us to step down would not be the worst thing in the world.
Between Houlandin, the Council of Statesmen, and the Diplomatic Corps, I wouldn't be surprised if everybody but our faithful Advisor stops coming to see Cyl. We don't need a coup when we have a recluse.
Maybe that's figuring into our low Imperial Authority? Nobody sees The Emperor any more. We should resign to somebody more outgoing and/or do more to strengthen the institutions of government so the people have faith in it even while the emperor is absent from public life. Especially if we're going to start having older and possibly infirm leaders instead of people inheriting in their teens and leaping off the mortal coil a decade later.
Post by: omada on February 22, 2018, 07:18:43 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 22, 2018, 07:28:47 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 22, 2018, 09:45:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 22, 2018, 09:50:49 pm
This would be a lot easier if he at least showed a little remorse...
Post by: Baffler on February 22, 2018, 09:56:02 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 22, 2018, 10:13:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 23, 2018, 02:24:14 am
Honestly, it is better that they had a duel now then a civil war later.
Also silly Iswald, if the guy doesn't have any heirs YOU WOULD HAVE INHERITED. Too late now.
A
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 23, 2018, 09:50:14 am
Post by: Haspen on February 24, 2018, 06:41:12 am
ccc
dddddddd
You condemn Iwald's rashness and praise Houlandin's ability to defend himself from the assault, well, the duel.
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Your subjects and noblemen alike don't take that lightly. Your 'praise' of what is in their eyes murder angered all layers of society.
1149 AD, Mid-Spring
Agaresians are being crushed by the triple coalition army, the reports say. Bloodpeak Mountains are already on the horizon, apparently!
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Meanwhile, the expeditions in Orcworld have little success. Land was charted, alright, and the vegetation continues to be healthier in the east, but besides few marauding groups of orcs, no one or nothing of note was found.
What concerns the people most at the moment, however, is the new star in the heavens. In span of two weeks, a region of space dark and dotted with tiny speckles like all others have been illuminated by appearance of a luminous object. It is white-ish and very bright star, and, what startles people the most, is visible, albeit dimly, even during the day.
A) Doom is upon us! We need to find a Wizard, and quick!
B) Stop looking at the sky, you dumb fools!
C) We must consult with best astrologists and mystics about this!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 24, 2018, 07:11:52 am
Should be cheaper than a wizard.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 24, 2018, 08:47:07 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2018, 09:12:26 am
C even though I'm not sure I trust them...
Heavenly phenomena so far have been heralds of strange happenings, but rarely involved directly.
On the other hand, the masses expect to see us doing something even when we have nothing to do.
Post by: Criptfeind on February 24, 2018, 09:14:41 am
C
Post by: omada on February 24, 2018, 11:14:17 am
inb4 gamma ray burst and everyone dies.
C
Everyone hurry to the orcworld and wait for the life-ending event
c or A
C
Should be cheaper than a wizard.
Wizards are free, sorceress not
Post by: Haspen on February 24, 2018, 12:11:26 pm
Alldivine mystics believe that it is the sign of Alldivine blessing for the Empire. They suggest that a temple be built for the occassion.
Pantheonist mystics believe that the gods are warring with each other. According to them, prayer and fasting and processions of true worshippers are only means of saving the universe from godly conflict.
Parsian mystics believe that the Eleven are angry, and a dedicated sacrifice of eleven young boys and virgin girls is needed to appease the heavens for the next few hundred years.
A) Alldiviners must be right. Let's sponsor construction of a new temple to show our gratitude for the blessing.
B) Pantheonists sound reasonable. Let's order mandatory attendance in Pantheonist rituals as long as the sign of war persists in the heaven.
C) Parsians surely know best. Let's make with the bloody sacrifice, weeping over the heavy price of it.
D) ...Those mystics are using waaaay too much incense during their oracle sessions.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2018, 12:34:43 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 24, 2018, 12:40:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 24, 2018, 12:50:57 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 24, 2018, 01:28:31 pm
Post by: omada on February 24, 2018, 01:48:40 pm
E Bring a wizard for it's opinion
Post by: Criptfeind on February 24, 2018, 02:16:52 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2018, 02:44:54 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 24, 2018, 03:11:04 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 24, 2018, 03:50:44 pm
Post by: Imic on February 24, 2018, 03:59:42 pm
I mean, why not.
Post by: Iituem on February 24, 2018, 04:09:30 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 24, 2018, 06:56:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2018, 07:16:13 pm
Is there any of these that we've been particularly nice/not nice to recently?
I don't recall anything recent for the Alldivines but we've been on good terms.
We just refurbished a Pantheonist temple.
So far as I know we've never done anything for the Parsian Graces, beyond the whole religious equality thing.
About the closest is when we caught Leath and Abis ingesting "religious powders" and chewed them out over it.
Post by: Arlos on February 24, 2018, 07:47:10 pm
Did that stuff from Parsia propagate through our priesthood or something?
Also, we should have gone for a wizard, fuck....
Post by: Puppyguard on February 24, 2018, 07:50:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 24, 2018, 07:52:38 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 25, 2018, 02:10:27 am
A I guess, at least it will seem like we are doing something. Though I fear the other faiths will all ask for temples too...
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 25, 2018, 03:06:40 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 25, 2018, 09:14:38 am
Post by: Haspen on February 25, 2018, 10:26:29 am
c
dddddddddd
You scold the mystics for their silly interpretations and tell the court that nothing is really happening.
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Neither your courtiers, nor the public, cares about your words! They loudly clamor that you've just wronged all the deities possible with your decision!
You can bet that your authority and people's happiness just took a big hit.
1149 AD, Late Spring
The fighting of the coalition forces is currently centered in the south of Bloodpeak Mountains. Agaresians are still aplenty but your soldiers are fighting the best they can.
1149 AD, Summer
The new star has became much less brighter than it was, but that doesn't pacify your subjects. In fact, a mass of peasant rebels has sprung up in the west!
Claiming that they no longer want to be subjects of blasphemous, reclusive and kinslayer-abiding Emperor, peoples in the cities in Felonsein and Eval are assaulting your officials, plundering noble manors and attacking Army garrisons. Several governors have been killed; few have fled or remained to coordinate some resistance, but all plead for the Emperor to come help them.
Besides some reinforcements and new recruits that were supposed to be sent north-east, your Army is away from the heart of the Empire. An emergency council is held, where your statesmen and nobles alike discuss possible solutions that you could take...
As for the Army fighting the Agaresians...
A) Recall it at once, the Empire is more important that some distant savages!
B) It will stay there, we can't abandon our allies like that!
As for the expeditionary force in Orcworld...
A) Recall it at once, new world can wait - trouble in the Empire cannot!
B) Its small numbers won't probably make a difference, it can stay in the Orcworld.
As for the leadership of the anti-rebel forces...
A) I'm sure I have plenty of skilled officers to handle this.
B) Houlandin can go and deal with the rebels.
C) I will personally put down those filthy rebels!!
As for potential of negotiation...
A) Let's try to find and contact some of the rebel leaders, just in case.
B) I do not negotiate with terr- I mean, rebel scum!
//Remember, no split votes.
Post by: birdy51 on February 25, 2018, 10:33:18 am
This is why need more blood sacrifice!
Post by: Kashyyk on February 25, 2018, 10:33:41 am
Post by: Criptfeind on February 25, 2018, 10:35:38 am
Maybe it's time we abdicate, our dude doesn't seem to want to be emperor anymore anyway.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 25, 2018, 11:50:30 am
Post by: Baffler on February 25, 2018, 12:30:59 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 25, 2018, 12:35:34 pm
Maybe it's time we abdicate, our dude doesn't seem to want to be emperor anymore anyway.
It'd be funny though if we made it to like a 100 years old by sorcerous magic though, and be Emperor the entire time.
Post by: Puppyguard on February 25, 2018, 12:37:35 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 25, 2018, 01:21:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 25, 2018, 01:24:30 pm
Cyl's reclusive trait is a liability. We should not pass up an opportunity to risk his life at this point.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 25, 2018, 01:59:19 pm
Post by: omada on February 25, 2018, 03:02:12 pm
If Cyl dies, houladin assumes and bring foreingn troops
If Cyl wins, problem solved
if we manage to negotiate, it's okay
Post by: Haspen on February 25, 2018, 04:31:50 pm
baba baba baba
abca
baca
bbca bbca bbca
Bluh, why dis v;
Post by: ZBridges on February 25, 2018, 04:33:54 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 25, 2018, 04:40:30 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on February 25, 2018, 05:29:45 pm
I'm not a fan of negotiating here, but nobody seems to agree with me (I hope we roll a 1 for that).
Post by: Weirdsound on February 25, 2018, 05:53:27 pm
BBCA
I'm not a fan of negotiating here, but nobody seems to agree with me (I hope we roll a 1 for that).
Neither am I, but they are rebelling against our personal/moral choices, so there is a chance we get the option to step down in exchange for peace.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 25, 2018, 06:01:29 pm
I'm not a fan of negotiating here, but nobody seems to agree with me (I hope we roll a 1 for that).
I voted to try negotiations because there's two provinces worth (though no clear numbers) for their side vs. a skeleton crew on ours. If we are outnumbered, I'd want to limit the number of fights. It's not because I suddenly enjoy talking with rebels.
Post by: Baffler on February 25, 2018, 06:10:51 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2018, 03:00:38 am
Neither am I, but they are rebelling against our personal/moral choices, so there is a chance we get the option to step down in exchange for peace.In favour of whom? Houlandin? The kinslayer they're complaining about? If we accede, it will probably end our dynasty.
I don't understand why everyone has been so eager to get Cyl deposed or killed lately.
Post by: Rockeater on February 26, 2018, 03:20:04 am
BABA
Post by: Haspen on February 26, 2018, 10:57:21 am
baba baba baba baba
abca
baca baca
bbca bbca bbca bbca bbca bbca
bbba
You decide against recalling forces doing important things elsewhere, and personally lead the remainder against the rebels. Your agents in meanwhile will seek contact with the rebel leaders, just in case some are willing to negotiate.
Within a week, your Army of about 5000 recruits with only some Fireblood support marches west under your leadership! Houlandin has been directed to protection of the rear and the capital, in case some unscrupulous people will attempt to seize the opportunity.
Congratulations! Cyl I embarks on yet another military campaign![/b]
Several days later your corps approach the Felonsein territory, and just as the Spymaster's agents compile some reports, a forward scout returns with a guest.
"Emperor! This man here is an envoy of King Tetan I of Eldrican, and he says its urgent he meets with you."
You decide that the more important thing is...
A) Your spies' report.
B) Foreign diplomat.
Post by: crazyabe on February 26, 2018, 11:00:40 am
Post by: omada on February 26, 2018, 11:01:48 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 26, 2018, 11:07:05 am
Post by: Rockeater on February 26, 2018, 11:13:32 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 26, 2018, 11:53:12 am
The spies are just reporting. This envoy may have news that will change our entire operation.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 26, 2018, 12:23:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 26, 2018, 12:33:05 pm
They have two important news; first is that the rebels have little interest in negotiation. In fact, they seem to be trying to finally throw away the yoke of Methiantese occupation and resurface as independent Eval and Felonsein. They're however split in both leadership and their approach to the quest of independence.
The second is that King Tetan I has been hastily placing troops on the border with Methiant in past days, and at least three thousand of troops are already amassed in Koi.
A) Clearly I need to recall some loyal Methaint troops after all!
B) Nothing present here that needs extra soldiers, really.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 26, 2018, 12:53:10 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 26, 2018, 12:56:39 pm
Post by: Rockeater on February 26, 2018, 12:56:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 26, 2018, 01:01:57 pm
How much back I should read?
All of it.
Or if you're feeling ambitious, the first two games, then this. It's only 1000+ pages total if I'm not mistaken. Easy going for few boring evenings!
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 26, 2018, 01:03:58 pm
That said, you can always not read any of it and vote on instinct instead. Not like any of us would be able to tell.
Post by: Prophet on February 26, 2018, 01:10:14 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 26, 2018, 01:36:51 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 26, 2018, 01:39:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 26, 2018, 01:43:13 pm
A) Coalition forces in Agaresian Kingdom.
B) Expeditionary forces in Orcworld.
C) Both of these, actually!
Post by: Rockeater on February 26, 2018, 01:51:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 26, 2018, 02:01:29 pm
How much back I should read?
All of it.
Or if you're feeling ambitious, the first two games, then this. It's only 1000+ pages total if I'm not mistaken. Easy going for few boring evenings!
More realistically none of it. Spamkingdom is very much about moment to moment decision making and randomness. You don't really need the history to make that good of decisions. The npcs don't really that long of memories either normally.
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 26, 2018, 02:02:40 pm
Actually yeah, A! A's the way!
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 26, 2018, 02:09:25 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 26, 2018, 02:15:23 pm
Tetan I already is king of what already?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 26, 2018, 02:25:17 pm
Might not be the winning vote, but we're looking at a three-pronged war (Felonsein, Eval, Eldrican) if none of these people negotiate.
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 26, 2018, 02:30:40 pm
Might not be the winning vote, but we're looking at a three-pronged war (Felonsein, Eval, Eldrican) if none of these people negotiate.
Tetan's already sent an envoy, plus 3k troops isn't exactly an invasion force, so it's a fairly good idea to check what they want before jumping to conclusions.
Post by: ZBridges on February 26, 2018, 02:31:42 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 26, 2018, 02:36:37 pm
Tetan's already sent an envoy, plus 3k troops isn't exactly an invasion force, so it's a fairly good idea to check what they want before jumping to conclusions.
Well yeah I said "if," but the vote to recall troops is now and I'm a cautious sort who actually isn't trying to kill Cyl. What we have now could be lost to attrition even with winning rolls.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 26, 2018, 02:48:46 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 26, 2018, 04:29:18 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2018, 04:44:33 pm
If worst comes to worst, govern from orcworld exile.
Post by: helmacon on February 26, 2018, 04:45:47 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 26, 2018, 05:35:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 26, 2018, 05:38:38 pm
Nyeeeeeeh XV
Post by: Weirdsound on February 26, 2018, 05:43:53 pm
Lets not walk back on our alliance over a petty rebellion. If we stick with him, the worst case is the rebels kill Cyl, and Cedric helps Houladin take the rebel lands back when we are done with the Lizard Folk.
Post by: ZBridges on February 26, 2018, 05:44:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 26, 2018, 05:46:18 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 26, 2018, 06:11:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 26, 2018, 06:55:07 pm
I still have hope of getting some lizards for our own army. They'd be great paired with our Thundercats, they don't get fazed.
Post by: crazyabe on February 26, 2018, 07:35:05 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 27, 2018, 01:42:10 am
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2018, 10:44:43 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on February 27, 2018, 10:50:36 am
Post by: omada on February 27, 2018, 11:58:58 am
edit: ooops
Post by: mightymushroom on February 27, 2018, 12:52:36 pm
Option C, see what Tetan I has to say before calling the army?
I think you mean to say D; option C is already set as recalling both forces, just nobody's voted for it.
It's always a little weird when we get these choices asking for reaction and we just know there's more info about to be discovered.
SPAM games are usually a shot in the dark but sometimes an extra fifteen minutes to hear the other audience wouldn't be amiss.
Post by: Haspen on February 27, 2018, 01:42:13 pm
bbbbbbbbbb
You send orders for soldiers in Orcworld to retreat back to Methiant, leaving only bare minimum of a crew to man the fort on the other side.
The diplomat from Tetan I meets you moments later.
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl. My master, King Tetan I, has heard of the troubles that boil in the west of your country, and has decided to lend a hand. His army will push into Felonsein region and help you put down the rebellious scum that ferments there."
"I wager he will not do it for free." The diplomat smiles politely.
"Of course not. In exchange for the help of his soldiers, he wants to annul the silver deliveries to Methiantese treasury."
A) "Pfft, nope. I can deal with rebels on my own, thank you very much."
B) "Fine then, I value my lands more than some foreign money."
Post by: Weirdsound on February 27, 2018, 01:47:06 pm
Waaaaay to costly. We have 16-17 years of their money left, and we kinda need the income.
Post by: melkor on February 27, 2018, 02:00:04 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 27, 2018, 02:28:42 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on February 27, 2018, 03:13:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 27, 2018, 03:54:43 pm
Post by: Arlos on February 27, 2018, 04:06:58 pm
I have a feeling it will be more expensive if we need help later on
Post by: Weirdsound on February 27, 2018, 04:16:10 pm
B
I have a feeling it will be more expensive if we need help later on
If we need help later on, we can pull from our team fighting lizards in the North. Our campaign in the north offers probable income. The silver from Koi is guaranteed income. I'd rather give up the former.
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2018, 06:47:00 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on February 27, 2018, 06:49:48 pm
Post by: Iituem on February 27, 2018, 07:24:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 28, 2018, 03:12:36 pm
Four days later, in the morning your scouts report a rebel mass of about three thousand armed peasants moving in general easternly direction - directly towards your forces. By the noon, they should be meeting with you.
A) Plenty of time to take a defensive position.
B) Avoid them for now.
C) Attack! Attack! Mow them all down!
Post by: crazyabe on February 28, 2018, 03:15:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on February 28, 2018, 03:17:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2018, 03:17:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2018, 03:19:00 pm
Post by: Rockeater on February 28, 2018, 03:20:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 28, 2018, 03:48:41 pm
As foretold by your wise scouts, the peasant rabble reaches your forces at noon and a battle commences!
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The initial attack by the peasants is crushed, and the rebels are getting killed en masse!
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5*
By the evening, your men are counting bodies and some peasants in charge, who were captured, has been interrogated. Apparently, there's at least two more such hordes around Felonsein, while the Evalians are busily besieging all loyalist garrisons that haven't yet surrendered.
A) We advance into Felonsein.
B) We advance into Eval.
C) Just loiter around and let them come!
Post by: Rockeater on February 28, 2018, 03:51:31 pm
Post by: crazyabe on February 28, 2018, 03:53:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 28, 2018, 03:55:42 pm
If there are remaining garrisons, we should help them.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 28, 2018, 03:56:18 pm
Let's stop the surrendering.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2018, 04:12:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 28, 2018, 04:25:15 pm
A week later, your forces enter Eval soil proper. Your scouts bring news; apparently, the rebels in there learned of your forces' approach and have detached half their numbers to form a counter-force. Some scouts report that there are heavy horsemen and even few Thundercats with the rebels this time.
A) Let them come, they won't succeed anyways.
B) Strike them before they get even stronger.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2018, 04:26:36 pm
Post by: Rockeater on February 28, 2018, 04:28:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 28, 2018, 04:30:34 pm
We get stronger in time too... once our men from Orcworld catch up.
Post by: birdy51 on February 28, 2018, 04:52:15 pm
We need to liberate the resources they hold, before they get they get the men they need to protect them proper.
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2018, 04:59:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 28, 2018, 05:11:52 pm
Next morning, the battle commences on a muddy terrain between two large forests!
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Your drive has misplaced your tactical genius, because the initial attack is repelled! Your soldiers are matched evenly by the mix of mercenaries, peasants, deserters, some Evalian militia and few well armed noblemen-of-sorts! The battle descends into chaotic melee, your Army losing all initiative and impetus it had.
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Still, the hastily cobbled-together rabble cannot match your Army, and it shows when your soldiers begin another push and start mowing down the enemies. By the end of the day, the battle is won, and almost three thousand corpses fill the fields; less than fifth of that being Methiantese.
You council with your officers to find best choice of action.
A) Time to rest and wait for reinforcements.
B) Let's pick out the rebel sieges one by one.
C) We turn to Felonsein and kill more rebel scum.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 28, 2018, 05:13:39 pm
We haven't lost too many (yet).
Post by: Rockeater on February 28, 2018, 05:13:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 28, 2018, 05:22:33 pm
We should be able to draw a bit from the Garrisons we rescue. Also, somehow we are getting our title bonus to beating off a rebellion, so we should run with that while we can.
Post by: Prophet on February 28, 2018, 05:24:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2018, 05:58:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 28, 2018, 06:02:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 28, 2018, 07:34:37 pm
Lifting sieges is the equivalent of getting reinforcements in a sense, right?
Post by: Puppyguard on February 28, 2018, 08:15:27 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 01, 2018, 02:53:31 am
BOnly if you win.
Lifting sieges is the equivalent of getting reinforcements in a sense, right?
Post by: omada on March 01, 2018, 10:44:39 am
Post by: Shadowclaw777 on March 02, 2018, 12:04:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 04, 2018, 04:31:37 am
(https://i.imgur.com/iw4YuOi.gif)
You decide to go and pick out rebel sieges one by one.
1149 AD, Midsummer
Four sieges have been lifted around small road garrisons. While of course garrisons gotta garrison, and finally wounded can be deposited safely somewhere, you do get some fresh troops. About two hundred men, plus some horses and supplies.
However and finally, about two thousand fresh troops have marched from Methiant!
You learn however that Felonsines are boldly 'liberating' city after city. Spies report that their forces have grown to almost ten thousand of peasants, centered around two cliques of noblemen with their own paid and armed mercenaries and soldiers, although those are no more than a thousand in numbers.
A) Time to crush their hopes of independence by crushing their so-called Army!
B) We continue with Evalian sieges, a work half-done will only worsen matters.
C) Let's split forces to accomplish both these tasks, hopefully we can do it!
D) We ain't got enough men, simply put. Let's wait for Orcworld troops to join us.
Post by: Rockeater on March 04, 2018, 04:34:56 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 04, 2018, 04:36:31 am
Post by: helmacon on March 04, 2018, 04:57:47 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 04, 2018, 05:07:37 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 04, 2018, 06:02:09 am
Post by: Iituem on March 04, 2018, 07:10:28 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 04, 2018, 07:18:12 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 04, 2018, 08:33:16 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 04, 2018, 09:27:37 am
Post by: melkor on March 04, 2018, 09:58:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 04, 2018, 10:38:42 am
Post by: omada on March 04, 2018, 11:20:50 am
trust houladin to make something to halt their progress
Post by: Haspen on March 04, 2018, 12:44:49 pm
bbbb
You march against the Felonsines this time.
Almost a week later, your enter Felonsine territory and your scouts bring news; the rebel army learned of your approach and has decided to change course - it has marched east into Methiant proper!!
A) Sure thing, they won't accomplish anything and in meanwhile we recapture our holdings.
B) After them! Before they raze some settlements or even convince them to rebel too!
Post by: Rockeater on March 04, 2018, 12:49:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 04, 2018, 12:51:17 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 04, 2018, 12:51:33 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 04, 2018, 01:07:46 pm
Interesting strategy, marching into hostile territory like that.
Post by: Prophet on March 04, 2018, 01:46:19 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 04, 2018, 03:06:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 04, 2018, 03:08:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 04, 2018, 03:56:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 05, 2018, 01:35:30 am
Less than three days your scouts bring news; apparently the rebel army has engaged some forces that were sent to stop their incursion, but the scouts weren't able to identify them.
However, the battle is just few hours away from your current position, if your soldiers rush it.
A) Gotta go fast and catch'em all before our soldiers lose!
B) Steady, we will pick off the remainder after the battle is over!
Post by: Rockeater on March 05, 2018, 01:40:41 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 05, 2018, 01:48:48 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 05, 2018, 01:50:06 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 05, 2018, 02:14:48 am
Hey now, those are our rebels!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 05, 2018, 02:35:39 am
Post by: Baffler on March 05, 2018, 03:50:05 am
Post by: helmacon on March 05, 2018, 05:34:27 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 05, 2018, 08:29:35 am
A The main loyalist force is with us,whomever fighting them have no chance.
True BUT that makes it less likely to be loyalist and we've been told that the rebels have divided leadership. Perhaps they're fighting each other and rushing in will only cause them to combine strengths.
B
Edit: Also there's usually a penalty applied for rushing.
Post by: omada on March 05, 2018, 10:31:38 am
they will be tired when we arrive
and it can be the two rebels fighting each other
Post by: Prophet on March 05, 2018, 01:47:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 05, 2018, 02:47:06 pm
Less than three days your scouts bring news; apparently the rebel army has engaged some forces that were sent to stop their incursion, but the scouts weren't able to identify them.
Our scouts were able to determine that whoever is fighting the rebels was sent to stop them. Perhaps they saw the equipment/organization of the newcomers was too good to be rebels. Perhaps the positioning of the fighting armies implies two forces colliding. Either way, unless there was some misphrasing on Haspen's part, we know we are dealing with somebody sent to stop the incursion, not rebel infighting.
Post by: omada on March 05, 2018, 04:35:59 pm
Less than three days your scouts bring news; apparently the rebel army has engaged some forces that were sent to stop their incursion, but the scouts weren't able to identify them.
Our scouts were able to determine that whoever is fighting the rebels was sent to stop them. Perhaps they saw the equipment/organization of the newcomers was too good to be rebels. Perhaps the positioning of the fighting armies implies two forces colliding. Either way, unless there was some misphrasing on Haspen's part, we know we are dealing with somebody sent to stop the incursion, not rebel infighting.
hmmmm
Changing to A even if we rush they will be more tired than us
Post by: Haspen on March 05, 2018, 05:28:57 pm
Once your Army gets there, your scouts easily determine the Methiantese soldiers as those being sent from Orcworld to bolster your numbers! The fighting continues, although the rebel masses are maintaining their numbers and the Orcworld soldiers are being, well, slaughtered.
A) Welp, nothing left to be done here. Let's retreat a bit and rest.
B) Onwards, we will strike their rear and send them into disarray!
C) Time to plop down, fortify ourselves and see if they take a bait.
Post by: Taricus on March 05, 2018, 05:31:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 05, 2018, 05:32:31 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 05, 2018, 05:32:59 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 05, 2018, 05:34:56 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 05, 2018, 05:36:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 05, 2018, 05:50:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 05, 2018, 05:52:00 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 05, 2018, 06:03:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 05, 2018, 06:57:32 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 05, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
Post by: omada on March 05, 2018, 10:57:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 05, 2018, 11:48:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 06, 2018, 02:25:10 am
Post by: Haspen on March 06, 2018, 05:17:48 pm
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5to6
Your forces join the battle while maintaining the element of surprise. Your forces then announce themselves just as they fall on the rear of the peasant mass!
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7!*
Your forces plow through the peasants and rebel rabble alike, cutting down by hundreds. Casaulties amongst your soldiers are light, when the rebel army is split into two, the center of theirs annihilated. But you and your Army press forth, for the battle is not yet done!
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7!*
The two separated groupings of rebels have no chance. They're steadily being ground into mincemeat and corpses that are strewn across square kilometres of land.
The victory is bloody, complete and happens before dusk.
Finally, the brave soldiers who dared to stop the rebels are met. There's only couple hundred of them left and they prove to be what some of your officers thought; troops recalled from Orcworld. Their dead comrades are buried with honors and the wounded and still standing are personally blessed by you for their valor and dutifulness.
Your forces are currently about four thousand in numbers and it would be foolish to await more. Your officers ask for orders!
A) Let's go to Felonsein, the rebels who stayed there will surely surrender after this crushing defeat!
B) Felonsines are done with, we must return to Eval and lift remaining sieges as soon as possible!
Post by: crazyabe on March 06, 2018, 05:26:15 pm
B.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 06, 2018, 05:39:01 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 06, 2018, 05:40:42 pm
I wonder if this might raise Imperial Authority somehow.
Post by: ZBridges on March 06, 2018, 05:51:53 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 06, 2018, 06:40:05 pm
A
Post by: Kashyyk on March 06, 2018, 06:47:12 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 06, 2018, 06:54:11 pm
Post by: omada on March 06, 2018, 09:52:11 pm
A
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 06, 2018, 11:07:26 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 06, 2018, 11:14:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 07, 2018, 05:25:09 am
Post by: Haspen on March 07, 2018, 11:34:39 am
bbbb
You move onwards to finish the business in Felonsein first.
1149 AD, Late Summer
Few weeks later, the Felonsine part of the campaign has been finished! Cities and garrisons were liberated from Felonsein nationalists with almost no resistance, and the few marauding groups of rebels were either captured or eradicated.
Unfortunately, while control of Felonsein was being regained, the Evalians didn't sleep, and your scouts bring news - Evalians declared independence! They're led by an Evalian noble that was spared by your purge, Euron Talva is his name. Claiming descent from Kings of Lametania themselves, he envisions himself as savior of Eval from cruel, foreign oppressors (we're talking about you, of course), and pledged to lead his supporters to glory and victory.
A) And to their deaths also because I'm gonna show him in a moment what I think of self-proclaimed Kings within my provinces!!
B) Eh, if they really want it, I might just decide to negotiate something with them. If they're nice, of course.
C) Whatever, I'm done with Eval and the Empire will do better without it anyways.
Post by: Rockeater on March 07, 2018, 11:40:52 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 07, 2018, 11:47:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 07, 2018, 11:50:28 am
B, I'm a bit curious what that's gonna look like.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 07, 2018, 12:03:05 pm
Kinda jumping the gun there a tad, good king Euron.
B, I'm a bit curious what that's gonna look like.
I'm curious as well, but if we try to negotiate with him, we are granting his claim credibility, which makes our job harder if we don't like his terms and decide to destroy him anyway.
No option to send spies to remove his head? If not, A.
Post by: Rockeater on March 07, 2018, 12:04:20 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 07, 2018, 12:09:25 pm
That was a bit too fast, especially since we mauled them not long ago. It kind of feel like the entire battle was a pointless waste of time.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 07, 2018, 12:18:22 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 07, 2018, 12:44:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 07, 2018, 12:51:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 07, 2018, 12:59:27 pm
A week later, your forces move into Eval once again. You can give up on releiving the sieges of the keeps in the south, the scouts bring news that no loyalist garrisons remain except those few near the border that were captured by you.
The scouts report that there is no sight of Euron or his troops, despite the fact that you arrived at his doorstep.
A) Then we take it to his living room! Onwards, to the capital!
B) Then we will make a mess of his backyard, I mean, borderlands!
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 07, 2018, 01:01:32 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 07, 2018, 01:03:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 07, 2018, 01:06:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 07, 2018, 01:12:16 pm
Probably some kind of trap. Still, might as well see what they've prepared in the half year since we murdered the first lot.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 07, 2018, 01:12:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 07, 2018, 01:28:23 pm
I smell a trap, but if walk into it and fall, our heir will give him one hell of a bad day.
Post by: omada on March 07, 2018, 01:41:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 07, 2018, 05:30:50 pm
Three days later, as you march towards teh cpaital, your scouts bring news. Euron has rallied his troops and is marching towards you. He has at least four thousand of footsoldiers, from peasant rabble to skilled mercenaries and soldiers from past wars, as well as about eight hundred cavalry, made up by Evalian nationalists and minor noblemen.
His army is a day away from your current position, but if you both march against each other, the battle could be joined mayhaps even before today's evening.
A) We plop down and let them come, no need to tire ourselves with constant marching.
B) Onwards, the setting sun will provide lovely backdrop for our battle!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 07, 2018, 05:37:26 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 07, 2018, 05:37:32 pm
His troops are probably, and unfortunately, fresh. Ours are not. Not mention, with nightfall so close in coming, we're liable to fire the cannons into our own positions, which would be very sad indeed.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 07, 2018, 05:38:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 07, 2018, 05:44:21 pm
A
we're liable to fire the cannons into our own positions, which would be very sad indeed.
We haven't been getting our +1 for fireblood weapons. I think all our guns are busy up north shooting at Lizards.
Post by: ZBridges on March 07, 2018, 06:02:48 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 07, 2018, 06:10:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 07, 2018, 06:35:56 pm
Post by: omada on March 07, 2018, 09:03:37 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 07, 2018, 10:10:56 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 07, 2018, 11:48:24 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on March 07, 2018, 11:54:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 08, 2018, 03:06:43 pm
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In the darkest hours of the night, the rattle and horns of alarm wake you up! The battle rages while you hastily put on your pants. What were your sentries and scouts doing if they allowed for this to happen!?
As you leave your tent with your guards and few officers, it obvious that the enemy cavalry ran into the camp during the cover of the night. The fighting is already underway and soon reports come that footsoldiers with torches are making their way toward the camp!
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Despite the chaos in your camp, your soldiers repel and kill the mounted attackers, securing the rear and the centre. Troops are amassed against the incoming forces. Fortunately, retreat isn't necessary, but still the tactic should be chosen for the next few minutes!...
A) We charge into them, their torches will be our targets!
B) We prepare defensive formations to repel their attacks!
Post by: Puppyguard on March 08, 2018, 03:12:07 pm
Let them come to us.
Post by: omada on March 08, 2018, 03:13:09 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 08, 2018, 03:14:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 08, 2018, 03:19:28 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 08, 2018, 03:20:55 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 08, 2018, 03:44:16 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 08, 2018, 04:07:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 08, 2018, 04:36:46 pm
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Your soldiers ride and strike into the heart of the advancing sea of torches. Either the Evalian troops weren't prepared for this or thought you were still busy with raiders, because the charge is glorious and worthy of a song or two. Your Army divides the advancing rebels into two, and both sides begin to crumble. Many are killed and the attack on the camp is repelled, although the chaos denies your soldiers the immediate ability to pursuit, or even locate, the heart of the rebel forces.
The morning comes, and bodies are counted; there is thousand five hundred of them, a third of them Methiantese. Numerically the attack and the casualties are lesser than the panic of the night would dictate.
Your scouts return; the Evalians are busily regrouping just over the small forest to the southwest. No doubt they will try to either escape or attack you again. It seems that there's no more than three thousand Evalians in the camp, but there's no information on their leaders.
A) We can easily use the time to rest and regroup ourselves.
B) A good opportunity to go and strike them where it hurts!
Post by: mightymushroom on March 08, 2018, 04:39:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 08, 2018, 04:44:26 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 08, 2018, 04:49:52 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 08, 2018, 04:58:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 08, 2018, 05:17:08 pm
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Your charge bumps into the fortified camp of the enemy, but that is not enough to stop you! The camp is overrun and the inferior troops of Euron fall easily before your soldiers. The King himself is not present in the camp.
By the end of the day, your force shrinks to less than three thousand, but no Evalian is left either alive or free. All the information you get from captives is that their force was led by Euron's brother Lesas (your agents find his body a while later), and King of Eval is currently organizing defense of the capital.
A) Truly only a madman would continue to resist our glorious troops. Time to show Euron that we are capable of negotiation and cooperation.
B) A futile attempt, because the end of this insurrection draws near, he just hasn't noticed that. Time to approach the capital and begin its siege.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 08, 2018, 05:21:24 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 08, 2018, 05:33:21 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 08, 2018, 05:35:51 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 08, 2018, 05:41:09 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 08, 2018, 05:48:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 08, 2018, 05:56:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 08, 2018, 06:05:14 pm
Also, Cyl's rolls this campaign have just been unreal. I'm still of the mind that his reclusive trait means that we need to get him killed or give him an excuse to abdicate soon, but I will acknowledge that he is one BAMF. You do not fuck with the emperor.
Post by: Puppyguard on March 08, 2018, 06:10:05 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 08, 2018, 06:20:23 pm
Also, Cyl's rolls this campaign have just been unreal. I'm still of the mind that his reclusive trait means that we need to get him killed or give him an excuse to abdicate soon, but I will acknowledge that he is one BAMF. You do not fuck with the emperor.It's been proven that we can lose negative traits with judicious personality adjustment, you know.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 08, 2018, 07:12:00 pm
It's been proven that we can lose negative traits with judicious personality adjustment, you know.
Well we certainly got him out of the office!
A
It is common courtesy to parley right before sieging.
Post by: Arlos on March 08, 2018, 08:28:30 pm
We need to do a Lingua Methian soon.
Also, this campaign is one hell of a reminder of why Cyl is called the conqueror, everyone from his noble to his neighbor must be quaking in their boots
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 08, 2018, 09:01:42 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 09, 2018, 12:02:12 am
Post by: Taricus on March 09, 2018, 01:13:38 am
Post by: Haspen on March 09, 2018, 01:18:01 am
1149 AD, Autumn
The siege continues, and you get some very scary news from a scout that met with some refugees from deep south - Holy Damdamian Empire has just spectacularly imploded on itself!
Apparently, after their first Emperor died, his son and heir got sick and died also. Because he haven't got time to get more kids than a single daughter so far, some people didn't want to back her (nevermind her mother) and instead declared independence or begun a fight to restore republicanism to Damdamians. States are fighting with each other, usurpers or free kings rise to the thrones, and everyone is in it for himself. Monarchists are trying to hold on to power and established a regency for Empress Iva (who is only 10 at the moment), but still, people around the nation aren't listening. A mighty example would be Margrave of Rufus, at Methiant-Lametanian border, who just declared himself an independent king.
Boy, tis a mess if you ever saw one.
1149 AD, Mid-Autumn
The siege continues. Weak attempts by Evalians outside the capital to disrupt your siege were easily squashed.
1149 AD, Late Autumn
Your agents bring news that food shortage has struck Evalian capital.
Few days later, you get even (potentially) better news; Euron is looking to negotiate.
A) Naah, let's starve them a while longer.
B) Finally, he has got some oil in that brain of his.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 09, 2018, 01:45:07 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 09, 2018, 01:47:32 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 09, 2018, 01:49:37 am
Post by: helmacon on March 09, 2018, 02:06:43 am
The Damdamian Empire shattering is a good thing for us. They were a constant threat to us, and was forcing us to play politics with the people around us. If we can get this rebel business wrapped up, and provided they are still shattered in a few years time when the army is recovered, we could probably make a few worthwhile land grabs down south.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 09, 2018, 02:14:31 am
I feel like odds are strong that this'll be some kind of assassination attempt because I have no idea what they could possibly expect us to give them after a shitshow like this.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 09, 2018, 02:29:57 am
That said B.
Lets hope they remember the price for betraying a flag of diplomacy.
Post by: Rockeater on March 09, 2018, 02:44:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 09, 2018, 06:14:03 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 09, 2018, 06:20:39 am
If they want to talk, they can raise the white flag first.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 09, 2018, 06:53:47 am
Post by: Arlos on March 09, 2018, 08:10:10 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 09, 2018, 08:50:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 09, 2018, 08:54:25 am
I just don't really see a point in talking to them if we can just wait a couple of months and have their own people deliver their heads to us on a silver platter out of starvation.
Because the Evalians are an independent-minded
A
Because we totally are
This is basically the third time Cyl's "conquered" Eval. We negotiated the original Duke's safe passage out of there and it didn't help any.
Post by: omada on March 09, 2018, 11:28:13 am
GOOD BYE CURSED DAMDAMIAN EMPIRE OH HECK THAT IS BEAUTIFUL NEWS
Post by: Haspen on March 09, 2018, 11:38:33 am
The messenger returns next day; Euron and his peoples are only interested in joining the Empire as free people of Eval, and if you will respect their quasi-independence, they will put down their weapons.
A) He mispelled 'Methiantese subjects' and I'm gonna take that as an insult. Starvation it is!
B) I could be partial to making them vassals instead. I mean, come on, we're big and strong, what better senior could they get?
C) Fine, a frankenstein of client-state-slash-ally works for me, as long as they stop rebelling. It's getting tedious.
Post by: Rockeater on March 09, 2018, 11:42:09 am
B maybe if they have enough to give us.
Post by: crazyabe on March 09, 2018, 11:44:31 am
Post by: omada on March 09, 2018, 11:46:06 am
he has a bit of backbone, if he decides to help us they will be a nice ally
But they are being rebellious and having someone with power doesn't seen so nice, maybe it will pacify them enough
Post by: Criptfeind on March 09, 2018, 11:47:47 am
But if they wanted more self determination they should have done it peacefully. Certainly the rebellious dude can't be rewarded for this... If different Evalians ask for some more self determination in a number of years, I think that'd be more acceptable...
A
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 09, 2018, 11:48:46 am
Getting infrequent vassal tribute from Eval could be handy but this dude's a crazed fucknut and we want him dead for sure.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 09, 2018, 11:49:34 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 09, 2018, 12:07:23 pm
A in't gonna happen.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 09, 2018, 12:08:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 09, 2018, 12:17:03 pm
1149 AD, Winter
They continue to starve, but soon they will surrender.
Unfortunately there comes a report from the court; apparently, the silver promised by Tetan I of Eldrican has failed to arrive this year. The court is asking whether they should do something about it or let this slight go unanswered.
A) I'm too busy. Tetan I can have his way this year, but he better fix it up in the next.
B) Do I have to do everything myself? Send him a letter of reminder, might he have forgot about the deal.
C) Then they better prepare my Army for yet another campaign, because I'm gonna get that silver flowing back by force.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 09, 2018, 12:19:01 pm
I mean. Might as well give him some time to come up with an excuse himself, if not, we can remind him.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 09, 2018, 12:20:21 pm
Unless the bastard has a damn good excuse, we will call on Cidric to help deal with him once he is done with our men up north.
Post by: Rockeater on March 09, 2018, 12:22:26 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 09, 2018, 12:26:41 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 09, 2018, 12:32:05 pm
In any case, nothing a good ol' letter can't at least clarify. I'm sure an arrangement can be made. B!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 09, 2018, 12:32:31 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 09, 2018, 12:57:07 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 09, 2018, 01:07:00 pm
B
Post by: Weirdsound on March 09, 2018, 01:26:18 pm
The silver is honestly not worth another war right now. But if he wants to go back on a deal after we finally forgave the assassination attempts to help secure his throne he is more then willing to do so.
B
Wait a second... isn't going back on deals this guy's MO? Didn't he break a peace treaty with the Kahnate to deliver a surprise attack?
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 09, 2018, 01:34:11 pm
The silver is honestly not worth another war right now. But if he wants to go back on a deal after we finally forgave the assassination attempts to help secure his throne he is more then willing to do so.
B
Wait a second... isn't going back on deals this guy's MO? Didn't he break a peace treaty with the Kahnate to deliver a surprise attack?
I DONT REMEMBER WE ARE A LEADER NOT A HISTORIAN!
Post by: mightymushroom on March 09, 2018, 01:45:37 pm
Eldrican has a history of money trouble, it seems.
The silver is honestly not worth another war right now.He's made two payments on a twenty year deal. Eighteen units worth of silver is plenty to go to war over.
Post by: birdy51 on March 09, 2018, 02:35:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 09, 2018, 06:21:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 09, 2018, 06:48:37 pm
Well, if we have a good excuse, we may as well consider a jolly crusade... In about five years. Even after we win this one, I think it might be a while before we fully recover.
Remember we're fighting without the expedition part of army, which is in the north with the anti-Agares alliance. The 3000 with us is our reserves. So it depends on how the other battle has fared.
Post by: omada on March 09, 2018, 10:25:03 pm
The silver is honestly not worth another war right now. But if he wants to go back on a deal after we finally forgave the assassination attempts to help secure his throne he is more then willing to do so.
B
Wait a second... isn't going back on deals this guy's MO? Didn't he break a peace treaty with the Kahnate to deliver a surprise attack?
Nope, I think it was the king which he usurped the throne, he attacked them because they were already at war again against them and he needed to make sure the khanates are weak (I don't checked for facts, i am just using my drowsy memory)
B, if he can't pay with silver, he can pay with those textiles they had, we can sell them here for a nice price
Post by: Baffler on March 09, 2018, 10:29:37 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 09, 2018, 10:32:56 pm
Nope, I think it was the king which he usurped the throne, he attacked them because they were already at war again against them and he needed to make sure the khanates are weak (I don't checked for facts, i am just using my drowsy memory)I believe you're correct. The previous King of Eldrican was a total dick, but this one has been fine. That said I think he probably is out of silver. I don't want to go to war with them, I want to make them vassals. We have blood ties with the kingdom and everything!
Post by: omada on March 09, 2018, 10:41:05 pm
B. Queen Dogethe is the only NPC we could ever count on tbh.
Hey, Cidric is doing his best, even with a civil war he gave us some horseman he is just a bit dumb but looks like he has charisma and martial skills
and the first liege of spamkingdom 2 was a nice guy, his son was a dick
Nope, I think it was the king which he usurped the throne, he attacked them because they were already at war again against them and he needed to make sure the khanates are weak (I don't checked for facts, i am just using my drowsy memory)I believe you're correct. The previous King of Eldrican was a total dick, but this one has been fine. That said I think he probably is out of silver. I don't want to go to war with them, I want to make them vassals. We have blood ties with the kingdom and everything!
Trying to vassalize someone with more lands than our entire kingdom will be hard and unproductive, giving this offer will be a call for war maybe, instead it can give us lands that are well populated or lands close to mountains (we need very few to have a monopoly over the passage of these lands be it from south, north, west or east, if we one day turn into a federation with helliste and Cydwyll or just conquer them every merchant WILL HAVE to pass through our lands and pay our border taxes and land closer to mountains maybe increase our chance of finding mines i think)
Post by: Puppyguard on March 10, 2018, 01:34:06 am
Post by: Haspen on March 10, 2018, 04:36:06 am
1149 AD, Midwinter
A report from the Treasurer arrives; besides usual arrivals, the glasswork provided some money as well.
Also, an envoy from King Euron arrives. He and his court are willing to accept your seniority, as long as they retain some autonomy and powers over their compatriots.
A) I'm as constant as the eastern star, I accept naught but unconditional surrender, because everyone is destined to become my subject sooner or later!
B) Fine.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 10, 2018, 04:37:04 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 10, 2018, 04:41:20 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 10, 2018, 04:42:54 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 10, 2018, 04:49:51 am
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Post by: Rockeater on March 10, 2018, 05:03:20 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 10, 2018, 05:47:16 am
We really should just give them the counteroffer of "if you send us the head of your 'king' you'll get off with imprisonment instead of hanging, drawing and quartering".
Also it might not be a bad idea to put out that Bill of Rights afterward to get a surge of happiness and hopefully weaken the old guard that keep instigating these rebellions.
And besides, it's kind of relaxing being out here instead of at the palace. People barely bother us about anything and the air's reasonably fresh, what more could a reclusive emperor want out of life?
Post by: mightymushroom on March 10, 2018, 08:02:21 am
What really gets me is this 'King' business. Old Eval had a Duke by title – Euron is also putting forward a claim for the throne of Lametania. This character is after a lot more than he can actually hold. (Unlike us, who are admittedly usurping conquerors but we hold things nicely.) I don't reward rebellion, and I especially don't reward greedy rebels.
Post by: Haspen on March 10, 2018, 08:03:07 am
1149 AD, Late Winter
You receive a report from the forces in distant northeast of Agares; apparently a huge battle was fought at the base of Bloodpeak mountains. According to the report - which seems implausible to you - there was fifty thousand people involved, a third of that being alliance forces. Half of the numbers, about equally from both sides of the conflict, perished in the fighting.
You ask for confirmation, and more detailed summary of your Army's numbers and losses.
1150 AD, Spring
Shortly after you welcome the new year under the lit sky, an envoy from Evalians arrives. Humbled, he wears the traditional white scarf of surrender.
A) Ha! Time to raze the city to the ground and show them what I think of rebels!
B) I accept equally humbly, and the instigators are welcome to find a new home somewhere outside Methiant.
C) March into the keep and murder those responsible. If the citizens behave, they will be unharmed.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 10, 2018, 08:05:59 am
We've won, now we can afford to prove we're not so heartless.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 10, 2018, 08:11:45 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 10, 2018, 08:13:52 am
We are fair rulers, Rebelion will not be tolerated but our citizens are not our proparty.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 10, 2018, 08:49:44 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 10, 2018, 10:54:09 am
Post by: omada on March 10, 2018, 12:28:37 pm
B
Post by: milo christiansen on March 10, 2018, 01:10:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 10, 2018, 01:24:47 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 10, 2018, 01:36:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2018, 02:58:28 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 10, 2018, 03:41:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 10, 2018, 03:43:00 pm
With all the rebellions put down, you declare the end of the campaign!
Congratulations! Cyl I successfully completes yet another military campaign!
Your continuous eradication of rebels has gained you moniker of 'Pacifier' amongst some nobility, but you already have a title worthy of history!
1150 AD, Mid-Spring
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Your 'merciful' dealing with the rebel leaders has brought you fame amongst the populace, as being a 'firm yet just' man. Your authority sure has risen, and perhaps the people are a bit happier with your rule, too.
Finally, you get a chance to look at the Scrolls of Kingdom Status:
Happiness: 2
Population: 6
Economy: 5
Army: 6
Imp.Authority: -1
You can't help but notice the dip in population; your peasant hordes are bleeding to all this recruitment, rebellions and other things.
The Advisor informs you that during your absence, Houlandin wisely decided against issueing any Edicts. Also, that the court was pondering about sponsoring some festivities this year, although ultimately they decided against it, citing potential costs of such revelry.
A) "And they were right about that."
B) "We ought to mellow the peasants though! Party time it is!"
Post by: Kashyyk on March 10, 2018, 03:44:23 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 10, 2018, 03:49:18 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 10, 2018, 03:53:03 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 10, 2018, 03:54:54 pm
Party time! Also still want that Bill of Rights because woo social progress
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 10, 2018, 03:56:45 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 10, 2018, 03:58:25 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 10, 2018, 04:02:36 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 10, 2018, 04:23:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 10, 2018, 04:30:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 10, 2018, 04:32:19 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 10, 2018, 04:33:37 pm
B man, population fall so easily but is so hard to get back up, it’s not like that many people even died...
We have literally killed tens of thousands of people in suppressing this rebellion alone, the majority of them peasants. And that's just the actual combatants!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 10, 2018, 04:48:08 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 10, 2018, 04:49:24 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 10, 2018, 04:50:56 pm
Your 'merciful' dealing with the rebel leaders has brought you fame amongst the populace, as being a 'firm yet just' man. Your authority sure has risen, and perhaps the people are a bit happier with your rule, too.
...
Imp.Authority: -1
Error?
I any case: SAve money.
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on March 10, 2018, 04:52:33 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on March 10, 2018, 06:14:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 10, 2018, 06:36:06 pm
and even then we are still like to have another small rebellion this year...
Post by: Weirdsound on March 10, 2018, 06:45:24 pm
Post by: omada on March 10, 2018, 06:45:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 10, 2018, 06:54:35 pm
1150 AD, Late Spring
Two audiences need to be resolved; one is your courtiers, the other is messenger from governors of Ceodwell province.
First you meet with...
A) The nobles.
B) The courier.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 10, 2018, 06:55:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 10, 2018, 06:56:52 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 10, 2018, 07:13:38 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 10, 2018, 07:58:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 10, 2018, 09:12:13 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 10, 2018, 09:30:32 pm
A
Post by: Rockeater on March 11, 2018, 12:39:43 am
Post by: helmacon on March 11, 2018, 12:40:30 am
Do we still owe any loans?
Post by: Haspen on March 11, 2018, 06:55:42 am
The delegation politely bows their collective heads.
"Most blessed Emperor. We have noticed that the Treasury of the Empire has in recent years been steadily improving. Therefore, we're all here to request repayment for our services to the state, rendered a decade ago." The leader of Methiantese clique steps forward.
"Nine years ago, we've given money to you, worth the output of silver mines today. We ask to be given that money back now." The Felonsine leader moves forward as well.
"Back in the year 1137, you agreed to renovate Pantheonist shrines in our region. After recent upheaval, new temples and shrines to pray at would surely ease the minds of the peasantry there."
You decide to...
A) Flip the bird at both groups and send them away with nothing.
B) Restore Pantheonist shrines in Felonsein, but that's all.
C) Honor the promises, and give back the money and restore the shrines.
D) Repay the loyal nobles of Methiant, but that's all.
E) Ask that they be patneit and wait just few more years.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 11, 2018, 07:22:09 am
This is probably gonna kick us right in the economy but it's generally unwise to not pay your debts.
Post by: Rockeater on March 11, 2018, 07:38:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2018, 08:47:25 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 11, 2018, 09:10:45 am
Being known as an emperor who fulfills his promises does us a great boon and honor!
Edit: Might even be worth giving them a tad extra if we can afford it. They did do us a solid favor.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 11, 2018, 09:44:07 am
I almost regret paying for celebrations now, though. Almost. Low happiness causes more trouble in the long run as long as we're still making money.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 11, 2018, 09:52:59 am
Post by: Haspen on March 11, 2018, 10:19:34 am
Then the messenger from Ceodwell arrives, with a letter.
Apparently, there has been some religious rioting in some of the larger cities. It seems that Alldivines, most of them displaced refugees, aren't taking kindly to their former Parsian 'oppressors' being allowed to establish shrines in Ceodwell, due to religious tolerance edict. It has finally escalated into brawl when a theological discussion in the marketplace turned violent after some of the more hot-blooded acolytes got involved.
Then, similar incidents started to happen in nearby cities.
A) Time to send the Army to restore public order in Ceodwellian cities.
B) It shows that Parsians aren't able to cooperate. Expel them!
C) Not my problem, the governor surely can handle this on his own.
D) Maybe Alldivines are stirring shit up? I ought to remind their high clergy of the imperial laws.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 11, 2018, 10:26:32 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 11, 2018, 10:28:19 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2018, 10:28:32 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 11, 2018, 10:35:59 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 11, 2018, 10:49:56 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 11, 2018, 10:57:04 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 11, 2018, 11:13:43 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 11, 2018, 11:16:12 am
How about E) Send agents to investigate who started it and beat those people up specifically?If there is I change to this
Post by: omada on March 11, 2018, 11:38:32 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 11, 2018, 11:44:59 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 11, 2018, 12:47:50 pm
Though, maybe that might only be an option if we have a shadow court...
Post by: crazyabe on March 11, 2018, 12:59:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 11, 2018, 01:12:38 pm
1150 AD, Summer
After many years, Thaud Owalynn finishes his illuminated tome of history: "Yoean Dynasty: From Chaos, Enlightenment".
Per your instructions, he has concentrated on highlighting your dynasty's reforms and the unification process of the regional peoples under your banner. The 180+ pages manuscript has many illustrations, representing banners, your precedessors, and other important figures and events.
Held in high regard by historians of next centuries, of course it will come under attack in the age of Internet as being 'book of propaganda and justification of oppression of cultures and nations', but why bother yourself with historians of the next millenia? Pfft!
1150 AD, Autumn
Another gigantic battle took place just southeast of Bloodpeak Mountains, involving almost twenty thousand of troops (half each for both sides), and the casualties amounted to 3/4ths of the total number, this time mostly on Agaresian side however.
Finally, you get a reply from King Tetan I.
In the letter, he writes that the current circumstances has made him choose between honoring the deal, and spending the silver for the good of Eldrican peoples, and of course, like any sane leader, he has chosen the latter.
There's no mention whether this is temporary, and when and if and how he will honor the deal in the future.
A) Insolent, honorless, oathbreaking cur! Sound the horns of war!!!
B) Fine, we can let him go away with it.
C) Oh no you don't. Time to send another letter, with delegates, guards and some threats attached to it!
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 11, 2018, 01:20:35 pm
On one hand it'd suck to go to war over this but there's quite a bit at stake too, so we kinda have to do something. Maybe there's something else he can give us instead because seriously man, hell of a dick move to pull.
Post by: omada on March 11, 2018, 01:23:36 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 11, 2018, 01:24:41 pm
D) Ask what is going on and other ways he can keep paying the deal(weapons, tech, momentany troops, silk, artifact loan to guarantee that the deal will be taken seriously) or a interest rate for non-paid silver (don't pay two silver give us 1 more dunno)+1 And if not
C
Post by: Arlos on March 11, 2018, 01:36:18 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 11, 2018, 01:40:17 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 11, 2018, 01:40:56 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 11, 2018, 01:42:46 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 11, 2018, 01:43:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 11, 2018, 01:58:15 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 11, 2018, 02:28:46 pm
If he needs another demonstration of our army he is more then welcome to one.
C
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 11, 2018, 02:29:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2018, 02:31:00 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 11, 2018, 02:52:09 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 11, 2018, 03:14:16 pm
Maybe it's time to withdraw our forces from the north? I bet he'd re-consider what makes "the good of the Eldrican people" if our whole army was poised at the border.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2018, 03:17:26 pm
C
Maybe it's time to withdraw our forces from the north? I bet he'd re-consider what makes "the good of the Eldrican people" if our whole army was poised at the border.
This is the nation that was able to repel 40k of the Kahn's riders. I'm not sure they would be too afriad of whatever we have left. Besides, if we honor our alliance, Cidric will have to honor it back when it is time to invade these fuckers.
Post by: Haspen on March 11, 2018, 05:06:29 pm
1150 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive word from the northeast; apparently, Parsians begun negotiations with Agaresians on behalf of King Cidric, as he has recently fallen ill with a fever.
Meanwhile, your diplomatic council got you a potential tie with Kingdom of Rufus; their king, Audian, is willing to give the hand of his daughter, third in the line to the throne of Rucus, to Eivan, your second-youngest son.
A) Aww yiss, that's my kinda deal!
B) Ehh, pass, Damdamians are only trouble.
Post by: ZBridges on March 11, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 11, 2018, 05:26:09 pm
This is the nation that was able to repel 40k of the Kahn's riders. I'm not sure they would be too afriad of whatever we have left. Besides, if we honor our alliance, Cidric will have to honor it back when it is time to invade these fuckers.
You're not wrong, but I see a bit of a then—now situation. 1) This is the nation that lost their army repelling the Khan's riders, bought a dwarf army and lost that one too, and finally bought ours but is seriously not paying; and 2) the war in the north appears to be winding down (I thought so even before this recent news). Without our army around to project our power, Tetan plainly doesn't respect his given word. He had a chance to give a more thorough explanation of circumstances and repayment contingencies, and passed along nothing.
A
The worst that could happen is she converts the royal family to cult of Damed and then we become the Empire everyone loves to hate. Which only happens when we're pretty darn strong.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2018, 05:28:36 pm
Also, Cidric sick is interesting news. Are our grandkids by him old enough to take the throne if he dies? Or will our daughter have to do a regency thing?
This is the nation that was able to repel 40k of the Kahn's riders. I'm not sure they would be too afriad of whatever we have left. Besides, if we honor our alliance, Cidric will have to honor it back when it is time to invade these fuckers.
You're not wrong, but I see a bit of a then—now situation. 1) This is the nation that lost their army repelling the Khan's riders, bought a dwarf army and lost that one too, and finally bought ours but is seriously not paying; and 2) the war in the north appears to be winding down (I thought so even before this recent news). Without our army around to project our power, Tetan plainly doesn't respect his given word. He had a chance to give a more thorough explanation of circumstances and repayment contingencies, and passed along nothing.
...I think in addition to dwarf mercs, they bought dwarf supplies, so they might still have an equipment advantage over us.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 11, 2018, 05:29:32 pm
For all the shit we give the Damdamians they haven't really troubled us much for the most part and this seems like an acceptable way to build connections with them.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2018, 05:49:18 pm
It looks like we're more concerned with going east right now rather then south...
Post by: helmacon on March 11, 2018, 06:10:25 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 11, 2018, 06:53:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2018, 06:59:48 pm
A Hmm. I suppose it is better to try to flex our muscle in the area than to just let them consolidate back together. For once perhaps we shall be the big empire exporting our influence, culture, and religions rather than other way around.
I was thinking along the same lines. In Lieu of the silver deal, we might ask Tetan to send us troops that we may use to snatch up that huge Damdamian kingdom to our South once things wrap up to the North. I think if we take the Damdamian lands south of us, Lamentia will be completely sorounded by Methiant, which means they will have to pay our passage tax to conduct any forigen busniess at all.
Where is Rufus on the map anyway? Might it be in position to help us attack any of our neighbors?
Post by: Arlos on March 11, 2018, 07:00:31 pm
Damdamians are indeed trouble
Post by: Prophet on March 11, 2018, 07:03:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2018, 07:08:13 pm
I was thinking along the same lines. In Lieu of the silver deal, we might ask Tetan to send us troops that we may use to snatch up that huge Damdamian kingdom to our South once things wrap up to the North. I think if we take the Damdamian lands south of us, Lamentia will be completely sorounded by Methiant, which means they will have to pay our passage tax to conduct any forigen busniess at all.
Where is Rufus on the map anyway? Might it be in position to help us attack any of our neighbors?
Rufus is the Damdamian kingdom your talking about I'm pretty sure.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2018, 07:09:01 pm
We know their leader, who is giving us a daughter, is ambitious. He gobbled up a bunch of other Damdamian territories, and the free duchies we didn't get. Hopefully we can meet him at the wedding. We may be better served using him to attack Tetan rather than the other way around. We also need funds, and he might be interesting in buying that troublesome Eval district off of us.
Post by: omada on March 11, 2018, 08:38:40 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 12, 2018, 02:50:49 am
Post by: Haspen on March 12, 2018, 10:54:48 am
Einvan throws a fit, however.
"I'm absolutely not marrying some heathen Damdamian, father." He says, furrowing his brows. "I will marry a proper Alldivine girl from Methiant or somewhere!"
A) "Do it for the Empire, son!"
B) "Fine, Seann will have the honour instead."
C) "This was a bad idea, it seems."
Post by: Taricus on March 12, 2018, 10:59:29 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 12, 2018, 10:59:39 am
B - This is Eivan's one rebellion, just like his brothers have had.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 12, 2018, 11:05:30 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 12, 2018, 11:07:42 am
Post by: Haspen on March 12, 2018, 11:20:36 am
Uhhhhh. How do I-
Aha!
You decide to accept the deal.
"I'm absolutely not marrying some heathen Damdamian, father." He says, furrowing his brows. "I will marry a proper Alldivine girl from Methiant or somewhere!"
A) "Do it for the Empire, son!"
B) "This was a bad idea, it seems."
Post by: Arlos on March 12, 2018, 11:22:33 am
I remember every Damdamian contact ending up badly for us, so no.
Edit:ninja’d
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 12, 2018, 11:24:38 am
Wait I fucked up, Eivan is already married to Helliste King's girl 'v.
Uhhhhh. How do I-
Aha!
No sweat, nobody else remembered either. It's lucky we got 80% of our sons killed, otherwise we'd actually have to keep track of all these strategic marriages!
Anyway, A! Time for an object lesson in the acceptance of other cultures!
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 12, 2018, 11:29:04 am
Post by: helmacon on March 12, 2018, 11:36:03 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 12, 2018, 11:40:28 am
It would chafe the country too much in these trying times anyways. But! Perhaps we can at least send warm regards instead.
Post by: Rockeater on March 12, 2018, 11:44:08 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 12, 2018, 11:56:16 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 12, 2018, 12:03:24 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 12, 2018, 12:03:35 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 12, 2018, 12:13:26 pm
Our boy will find some tail soon.
Post by: Baffler on March 12, 2018, 01:06:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 12, 2018, 01:11:38 pm
Perhaps pushing the boundary in some family feuds (the thing our reclusive trait seems to make us avoid) will help us shake the reclusive trait.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 12, 2018, 03:15:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 12, 2018, 03:19:11 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 12, 2018, 03:19:23 pm
Post by: omada on March 12, 2018, 04:06:52 pm
Perhaps pushing the boundary in some family feuds (the thing our reclusive trait seems to make us avoid) will help us shake the reclusive trait.
A
Worst case we roll a 1 and our son hate us for a long time
Post by: Rockeater on March 12, 2018, 04:11:13 pm
That why we have another one.
Perhaps pushing the boundary in some family feuds (the thing our reclusive trait seems to make us avoid) will help us shake the reclusive trait.
A
Worst case we roll a 1 and our son hate us for a long time
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 12, 2018, 04:31:26 pm
Worst case we roll a 1 and our son hate us for a long time
And he's the healthy son too if I recall correctly, so what's he even gonna do about it, passive-aggressively outlive us?
Post by: Haspen on March 12, 2018, 05:23:26 pm
You try to convince him to relent and marry the Damdamian girl.
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Not only you fail to do so, you feel the crushing urge to retreat to your study. There you find peace and comfort, and it's good thing nothing else came up today because you would probably leave the important decisions to your court.
The court, of course, still has to write a letter of rejection to King of Rucus. You sure hope they do good.
1150 AD, Late Autumn
The Parsians has taken control of the alliance forces, because Cidric's health begun to deterioriate and he has been moved back to Cydwyl territories.
Meanwhile, an indecent rumor is coursing about your palace; apparently, some people have spotted Lerna, widow of Iwald, being unusually friendly toward Saenn, your youngest son and her brother-in-law.
A) And what of it? They're family, family gotta talk from time to time.
B) Is that incest? In my palace?? Not on my watch! BEGONE THOT!
C) I need to discreetly get information from or about them.
Post by: Prophet on March 12, 2018, 05:34:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 12, 2018, 05:38:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 12, 2018, 05:39:13 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 12, 2018, 05:39:32 pm
her brother-in-law.
Incest? Where do you get that? Improper, yes, but hardly incest.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 12, 2018, 05:57:42 pm
This is the girl Iwald brought home from Eldrican without telling anybody first; she could be a seductress on the prowl for another heir.
her brother-in-law.
Incest? Where do you get that? Improper, yes, but hardly incest.
Not every culture reckons strictly by lines of descent. Some take marriage=family more broadly than much of the modern West; it's part of what makes marriage alliances so much stronger than paper ones.
The court, of course, still has to write a letter of rejection to King of Rucus. You sure hope they do good.That's easy :P :
Dear sir,
We are most sorry to inform you that our liaison to your court was woefully underinformed with regard to the marital status of the imperial princes of Methiant. As it happens, Prince Eivan is not currently eligible for marriage to your esteemed daughter, as he has a living wife already. Be assured that those responsible for this mix-up have been 'reprimanded' and that an up-to-date copy of our book of peerage has been included with this missive in order to prevent future misunderstandings.
Yours truly,
Consul General of Imperial Methiant,
under the name and seal of Cyl I
Post by: Rockeater on March 12, 2018, 11:48:40 pm
C Why do we have a spy master if not for cases like this?Isn't it the spy master in Haspen sig?
Post by: Haspen on March 13, 2018, 01:12:09 am
By next day, the Spymaster meets with you.
"Apparently, Lady Lerna has been trying to court Eivan, too, before he married, and once he did, she set her sights at your youngest son, my liege."
You decide to...
A) Banish the seductress from the court.
B) Talk about this with Lerna.
C) Talk about this with Saenn.
D) Let this thing solve itself.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 13, 2018, 01:59:41 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 13, 2018, 02:03:01 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 13, 2018, 02:06:29 am
B You guys and you obsession about getting Cyl another wife...
In all fairness, we are starting to run a bit low on offspring.
Post by: Rockeater on March 13, 2018, 02:28:13 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 13, 2018, 02:28:53 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 13, 2018, 08:11:10 am
Although I am curious: everyone (except Eirika, who may not have seen it in person) reacts to Houlandin's missing eye as if it were a grotesque disfigurement. Is Saenn's lost eye somehow not so bad, or is Lerna just that desperate for something?
I'm also curious: Saenn refused a marriage to a "heathen" southern lady, yet as Eldrican nobility Lerna was almost certainly raised Damedian too. Was he putting up a front so he wouldn't have to give her up? Has this been going on for a while, was it the reason Iwald nearly killed him?
C
The young lady we can banish at any time, answering the questions about our son's intentions is more vital.
Post by: birdy51 on March 13, 2018, 08:56:59 am
Post by: Prophet on March 13, 2018, 12:27:28 pm
Post by: omada on March 13, 2018, 03:16:30 pm
Yes people, the
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She is quite forthcoming.
"Why, my liege? Is it so strange for a woman to seek companionship of a noble man and bear him a son? Iwald has died, but this pond has plenty of fish left I say."
A) "How about the biggest of them all? *wink wink*"
B) "Fine then, you can marry Saenn if you want."
C) "Don't you talk about my family like its cattle! Begone!"
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 14, 2018, 04:07:54 pm
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Post by: Maximum Spin on March 14, 2018, 04:17:18 pm
You know what, fine, I'm good with A
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She laughs at your attempts, and after several minutes she shakes her head.
"Excuse me, Emperor, but I prefer meat that is fresh and tender, not one that's stringy and wrinkly after sitting on the shelf for too long." How dare she!
A) "Begone from my palace then, harpy!"
B) "You think you can insult the Emperor like this!? Guards!!"
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Post by: mightymushroom on March 14, 2018, 05:26:30 pm
A
Let's concentrate on finding Cyl a nice dowager Lady with wide tracts of land.
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1150 AD, Winter
Gold, silver and gems pour into the treasury.
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Glassware failed to generate any profits.
But all those dry reports are nothing compared to tragedy that struck your (somewhat distant) family - King Cidric of Cydwyl is dead! He has perished after a bout of fever wrecked his body.
His son Erik, just barely mature enough to hold the throne himself, ascended to leadership of the Kingdom. A report arrives from the allied forces soon afterwards; the Parsians aren't really good at negotiations, nor they are really friendly toward Methiantese at the moment. It seems that the central figure of Cidric was the glue that held the coalition, and its now on verge of breaking apart.
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You loiter in your beloved study, wondering why all those things require your attention? You're not going anywhere however, you're sure of that. This room and this desk of yours is where you belong!
As for Cidric's passing...
A) Send a letter of condolences for young King Erik.
B) Send a delegation to King Erik to attend the funeral.
C) Things happen, eh?
As for problems with coalition forces...
A) I'm sure they will work it out by themselves.
B) Houlandin, a warrior-prince, will surely be a good substitute for the martial man that Cidric was.
C) Eivan is wise and learned in customs of other cultures, this might help him solve the alliance's crisis.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 14, 2018, 09:55:47 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on March 14, 2018, 10:26:50 pm
C
Post by: milo christiansen on March 14, 2018, 10:30:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 14, 2018, 10:32:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 14, 2018, 10:54:08 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 15, 2018, 12:11:19 am
Post by: Baffler on March 15, 2018, 12:18:57 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 15, 2018, 12:23:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 15, 2018, 07:30:35 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 15, 2018, 08:46:50 am
Post by: Haspen on March 15, 2018, 10:32:07 am
bc bc bc bc bc bc bc
A delegation of diplomats is sent to Cydwyl Kingdom while Eivan is sent with haste to the coalition forces, to spearhead the negotiations with Agaresians.
1150 AD, Midwinter
The delegation returns from Cydwyl; King Erik proclaimed that the alliance with Methiant shall continue to bring peace and prosperity to both nations.
Few days later, you receive a report from Eivan; he has managed to successfully negotiate with Agaresians; the lizard riders will abandon some lands east of Cydwyl and north of Parsia, and those two countries will move in there; also, all sides are to respect thirty years of peace, or repercussions will be sanctioned.
Unfortunately, it seems that Eivan isn't much of military commander, because Parsians left without further ado the moment negotiations were completed, and little camaderie was between them and your soldiers in closing days.
1150 AD, Late Winter
The remainder of Methiant Army that helped against Agaresians has just returned, with Eivan in lead.
While the weather is mild, the situation in the countryside is not. Bandits are marauding in large groups in the north, mostly in the Donuth region. Governors and noblemen alike are unable to stem the tide of criminals pestering travelers and peasants there. They ask for help.
A) Let's hire some adventurers to eradicate the bandits. Bandit hunting is staple adventuring job, after all.
B) Our Army will go forth and destroy them all!
C) The governors and nobles are simply not trying hard enough.
Post by: birdy51 on March 15, 2018, 10:53:21 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 15, 2018, 10:59:26 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 15, 2018, 11:05:54 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 15, 2018, 11:10:35 am
Army-on, apply directly to the bandits.
Post by: ZBridges on March 15, 2018, 02:09:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 15, 2018, 02:15:36 pm
Post by: omada on March 15, 2018, 02:42:23 pm
GOD DAMN CYL AND YOUR RECLUSIVE TRAIT, we should have attended personally the funeral and hug our daughter
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B
Post by: Weirdsound on March 15, 2018, 03:01:41 pm
We got nothing from this war? Not even a tribute?
It just means we can stiff them when we call in the favor and use their help to invade West or South.
GOD DAMN CYL AND YOUR RECLUSIVE TRAIT, we should have attended personally the funeral and hug our daughter
Yeah. That sucks. We don't have many children left a- Holy shit! Idea!
If we pass the proclamation that allows the imperial bloodline to flow through women, and something happens to Houladin, we could name King Erik of Cydwyl our heir and peacefully unite the two nations!
Post by: omada on March 15, 2018, 03:06:20 pm
We got nothing from this war? Not even a tribute?
It just means we can stiff them when we call in the favor and use their help to invade West or South.
GOD DAMN CYL AND YOUR RECLUSIVE TRAIT, we should have attended personally the funeral and hug our daughter
Yeah. That sucks. We don't have many children left a- Holy shit! Idea!
If we pass the proclamation that allows the imperial bloodline to flow through women, and something happens to Houladin, we could name King Erik of Cydwyl our heir and peacefully unite the two nations!
That, sounds... deliciously evil, but yes? YES!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 15, 2018, 03:17:52 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 15, 2018, 03:41:13 pm
B!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 15, 2018, 04:04:37 pm
I think we need that Bill of Rights, you guys. It may well get us enough happiness to let us increase that Imperial Authority to comfortable levels!
B!
The bill of rights is also highly controversial though, and is also something I would want high authority to enact in the first place.
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 16, 2018, 11:12:31 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 11:27:26 am
Is it? It seems like something you'd enact when you were at very low imperial authority because the populace/nobility demanded it. Like the Magna Carta.From the sound of it, it's more American Constitution than Magna Carta, ie, rights for the peasants, not the nobles. I'm sure the nobles (the determinant of imperial authority in typical real empires) would be fine with more rights for the nobles, but they're probably not going to be happy with rights for the peasants.
Besides, neither will I, so don't do it. >:(
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 16, 2018, 11:30:06 am
Is it? It seems like something you'd enact when you were at very low imperial authority because the populace/nobility demanded it. Like the Magna Carta.
Precisely - you'd imagine that just like with the Magna Carta it'd also grant the nobility legal protections beyond what we've seen so far, which is mostly just "if you don't like it why don't you raise an army and rebel and see where that takes you", so feasibly you'd see nobility bringing more legal cases to the attention of the Crown, which'd be great because we happen to have a Wise son who'd be more than up to the task of doing lawspeaking for us.
Plus we'd really chomp Hammurabi's flavor right there and that's always the way to go.
EDIT: Finally, it'd be funny if the red hot burning FREEDOM of Methiant inspired nearby nations to join us willingly as opposed to us conquering them for some minor slight instead.
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 01:23:06 pm
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In few weeks, all but the most elusive of bandits are dead.
1150 AD, End of the Year
Why, of all things, it must be snowing so hard these days? The Scepter only quietly hums, the guards say, so this must be just an exceptionally strong blizzard and nothing else. Accursed winter weather!
Fortunately, there will be a pause in the monotony; the Advisor arrives to give you the Scrolls of Kingdom status, as he did in last thirty-something years.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 6
Economy: 1
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: -1
You glare at the colorful numbers up there on the scroll.
"Sire, it seems that our economy isn't as it used to be. While the profits from mines and taxes are quite something, our expenses, both recurrent and spontaneous are siphoning money from the Treasury. And I must remind you that the treaty with Parsia about the gold mines is due to expire in two years; from 1153 onwards, we will no longer receive the part of gold bullion smelted there."
"The recruitment offices allowed our Army to spring up into safe numbers. The Council of Statesmen however was unable to strengthen your autohirty, due to recent trouble with money and happiness of our people. I would advise against issueing an Edict, and I also must ask whether we should raise taxes for next year."
A) "Taxes and edicts, now that is what I like!"
B) "Raise the taxes, but let's pass on edicts this year."
C) "Prepare the parchment, I have some Edict issueing to do!"
D) "Nah, let's not burden the peasants with either."
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 01:34:53 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 16, 2018, 01:35:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 16, 2018, 01:47:26 pm
I think we are fucked. My hope was to save up to max economy and hire the dwarves to find us more mines before the gold treaty runs out. That isn't going to happen now. Taxes are only a short term fix with our happiness as it is.
The good news is our army should be up to full power soon. I suppose we will have to capture some new mines by force in the near future.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 16, 2018, 02:28:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 02:35:47 pm
1151 AD, Spring
You've become a granfather again! Bjeda gave Eivan a healthy baby boy that she named 'Bjern'.
Few days later, the delegation sent to King Tetan of Eldrican returns, with several wagons of ore and bars of silver. That amounts barely to a year of the silver promised.
"King Tetan said that this is the only silver he will send to Methiant in the coming years. As much as he would try to adhere to the principles of the treaty, currently he is unable to." Says your chief diplomat.
A) "Not enough, dammit, not enough! Time for WAR!!"
B) "Fine, I can accept this. For now."
Post by: milo christiansen on March 16, 2018, 02:45:56 pm
A
Post by: crazyabe on March 16, 2018, 02:46:02 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 16, 2018, 02:50:01 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 16, 2018, 02:52:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 16, 2018, 02:55:33 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 16, 2018, 03:15:44 pm
Important: We do not need, and should not try, to conquer all of Eldrican. We were promised silver from Koi, which is conveniently the territory nearest us. Let us occupy the mines and enforce the treaty measures. If Tetan plays nice we may even give them back when we're done. (With this lot voting? Hah!)
Post by: Weirdsound on March 16, 2018, 03:18:49 pm
A
Important: We do not need, and should not try, to conquer all of Eldrican. We were promised silver from Koi, which is conveniently the territory nearest us. Let us occupy the mines and enforce the treaty measures. If Tetan plays nice we may even give them back when we're done. (With this lot voting? Hah!)
Actually, I agree with this. If Eldrican is such a hot mess that Tetan can't afford to pay his silver tax, I'm not sure I want it.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 16, 2018, 03:25:39 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 16, 2018, 03:35:09 pm
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 04:23:06 pm
B.
We already knew this guy was poor as dirt because the guy he usurped the throne from ran the kingdom into the ground. It might have been nice to see a bit more diplomatic rub-and-tug instead of this blunt "I'm not giving you any more silver", to prove that Eldrican still likes us, but being direct isn't even a bad thing either. Besides, they probably don't still like us quite so much since we keep extorting them for silver they don't have. Instead of marching the army in, let's just be polite now and remember that today's broke friends are tomorrow's
Post by: Imic on March 16, 2018, 04:31:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 04:36:51 pm
I would like to point out my comment (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7707801#msg7707801) about the scroll before this last one, where it said our authority went up, but the number did not change. Was that an error, or just poorly chosen flavor text?
By indecision with comet thing, you guys suffered another -1 to authority in 1149. So by the end of year it was -2, personal rebellion fixing brought it back to -1.
Also, 5 votes each, bleeeeh.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 16, 2018, 04:42:44 pm
Post by: melkor on March 16, 2018, 04:43:40 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 16, 2018, 05:00:59 pm
We should try to extort some tribute from our southern neighbours instead in order to solve our economic situation.
Post by: Puppyguard on March 16, 2018, 05:02:15 pm
He'd better get the silver later.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 16, 2018, 05:04:55 pm
B
He'd better get the silver later.
He wont, this is final on his part.
W
A
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Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 05:05:44 pm
You decide to dance to Tetan's tune, this time.
1151 AD, Autumn
Blessed were the fields this year, indeed! The crops were healthy and plentiful, thanks to mild weather and Hurthling expertise. Many cereals, vegetables and stalks were gathered in the granaries and storehouses of the Empire. Many people, from lowest peasants to highest nobles, openly state that the gods and deities of nature, earth, harvests and such should be gratified with a grandiose festival sponsored by the Crown!
A) You wish, fools!
B) Hang the piñatas up at once!
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 16, 2018, 05:07:44 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 16, 2018, 05:08:51 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 16, 2018, 05:12:34 pm
I told you we had too many institutions and that our economy couldn’t sustain it :/
Post by: Rockeater on March 16, 2018, 05:13:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 16, 2018, 05:16:22 pm
A big part of the drop was about 4 points in one-time expenses repaying those loans last year. The treasury is low, yes, but I question whether we can afford to make them mad with extra taxes and then also deny a celebration.
Post by: Prophet on March 16, 2018, 05:17:08 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 16, 2018, 05:29:28 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 05:32:41 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 16, 2018, 05:33:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 05:43:16 pm
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After so many wars and other unpleasantries, they're doubly grateful for the celebrations! Your subjects' mood definitely improved, and the priests say the gods were equally pleased, too.
1151 AD, Mid-Autumn
The news coming from the north, about Helliste's riches, have tickled your nobles in the wrongest of way - with jealousy.
The tales of fat merchants sipping on sweetest drinks and wearing most delicate of Gan Minsong fabrics, with marvelous new house pets in their hovels and glittering gemstones adorning their jewellery do that to people. But jealous nobles are grumbling nobles, and grumbling nobles are nothing but trouble.
A) We should start buying some of these eastern luxuries from Hellistes at once!
B) We have plenty of shiny things, amassing even more would only lead to decadence.
C) We mine a lot of ores and other things, mayhaps we can negotiate an exchange with the Hellistes?
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 05:44:25 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 16, 2018, 05:45:39 pm
B
Post by: Taricus on March 16, 2018, 05:48:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 16, 2018, 05:54:49 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 16, 2018, 05:55:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 16, 2018, 05:59:12 pm
B, I guess. I'm counting on you here to promise this won't cause Horrible Death, mightymushroom. :P
By my count nothing worse than a Pleasant Death Snoozing by the Fireplace. :P (We will miss that extra silver.)
C
Trade deals usually profit the treasury. And we'd best be ready to cancel it if doesn't.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 16, 2018, 06:07:50 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 16, 2018, 06:09:14 pm
Trade is good!
Post by: birdy51 on March 16, 2018, 06:10:33 pm
Maybe we can send them cart loads of that glass that we have.
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2018, 06:14:41 pm
1151 AD, Winter
Silver, gems and gold arrive in your treasury.
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Glassware also nets you some coin this year.
You receive a surprise visit from your half-sister, Valhelma. After pleasantries and some dried fruits as snacks, she gets to the matter bothering her.
"My side of the family has been always of poor health. Of my progeny, only my granddaughter Alissa remains alive and well. I wish for her to have a pleasant life, but what tumultous decade we live in. Therefore, I ask you that you help engage her to the young King Erik, your grandson in Cydwyl."
You decide to...
A) Tell her you cannot help her with this.
B) Forward a letter to King Erik (or better yet, Eirika) about this proposal.
Post by: Rockeater on March 16, 2018, 06:17:53 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on March 16, 2018, 06:24:52 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 16, 2018, 06:47:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 16, 2018, 07:01:26 pm
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 16, 2018, 07:20:30 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 16, 2018, 07:22:02 pm
Post by: omada on March 16, 2018, 08:09:58 pm
C. Let's get that passage tax working for us.TOO late
B
Post by: Baffler on March 16, 2018, 09:07:50 pm
B.
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2018, 12:29:31 pm
1151 AD, Midwinter
With all the rebelling and rioting having gone quiet lately, the murmurs about an expedition in Orcworld show up. Both the army and the scholars wish to explore more of this strange new world, but there's still the matter of destination; the green lands in the east, or southernly direction, where Ur-Uk might be?
A) We should explore the east more vigorously.
B) We should concentrate on the southern areas.
C) No expeditions please, we need to protect the portal.
Post by: birdy51 on March 17, 2018, 12:44:07 pm
Anyways. A The Ur-Uk seem a bit too poor and downtrodden to make a proper profit from.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 17, 2018, 12:45:44 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 12:46:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 17, 2018, 01:03:51 pm
Alien poontang does not make us money, fertile land and resources will.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 17, 2018, 01:11:07 pm
Alien poontang does not make us money, fertile land and resources will.
At the end of the day isn't alien poontang its own reward?
Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2018, 01:16:56 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 17, 2018, 01:20:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2018, 01:58:39 pm
1151 AD, Late Winter
A reply has arrived; King Erik has unfortunately decided against the marriage as he has set his sights on some other noble maiden. But his brother Estjald needs a wife, so he is willing to accept Alissa as his brother's spouse.
A) Nah, I won't permit this to happen.
B) Let's forward the reply to Valhelma so she can decide.
C) Works well for all involved, I guess? Let's go with the marriage.
Post by: Rockeater on March 17, 2018, 02:02:10 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 17, 2018, 02:07:19 pm
We're just the middleman here, not really invested one way or the other.
Post by: Prophet on March 17, 2018, 02:17:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 02:27:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2018, 02:40:32 pm
One side branch to another sounds like a reasonable match. If Valhelma doesn't like it she should do her own politicking.
Post by: ZBridges on March 17, 2018, 03:05:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2018, 03:18:14 pm
1151 AD, End of the Year
Is it the end of the year already? Huh, feels like it was few days since the last time the Advisor brought you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status. And here he is again indeed, with those thick scrolls in his hands...
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Happiness: 5
Population: 6
Economy: 3
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: -1
You let out a lengthy sigh at the sight of these numbers. Then you scratch your nose. Nothing to really work here with.
"Unfortunately this year wasn't good for neither our recruiters nor statesmen, as smaller than usually number of travelers joined the Army, and people are still somewhat unruly. Still, the Kingdom is working well at the moment."
"Also, the royal scribes have finished updating the royal map, and compiled a very rough sketch of the Orcworld as we know it."
Spoiler: Royal Map of Royal Neighbourhood and Such (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Very Rough Sketch of the Orcworld Map (click to show/hide)
You put down the map of Orcworld and stare at the Advisor.
"Like I said, my liege, a very rough sketch, it is. Do you wish to issue an Edict this year, my liege?"
A) "Sure thing."
B) "Not now."
Post by: Kashyyk on March 17, 2018, 03:22:29 pm
Clearly we need to absorb Cydwyl and then Helliste, so we can have access to the sea.
Post by: Arlos on March 17, 2018, 03:30:16 pm
We don’t have the money to sustain another edict.
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 17, 2018, 03:31:41 pm
Might be a good idea to end one of the expensive edicts, though.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 17, 2018, 03:37:26 pm
We can kill the Recruitment Offices at the very least (although the Bill of Rights would still be cool to have and no I will never stop saying that thank you very much)
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 17, 2018, 03:54:20 pm
We could have our temple tax and later the bill of rights.
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2018, 04:27:23 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Issue the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Establish Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 17, 2018, 04:35:48 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 17, 2018, 04:56:54 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 17, 2018, 05:04:48 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 17, 2018, 05:12:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 05:16:20 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 17, 2018, 05:20:08 pm
If we are about to go to war, lets at least wait until we are done with that before we pull recruitment. Reinforcements are nice to have during a campaign.this
Vote changed
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 17, 2018, 05:21:55 pm
since people are allergic to rights i guessyes I am
Post by: Prophet on March 17, 2018, 05:25:07 pm
Also I agree rights are horrible.
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 05:29:35 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 17, 2018, 05:31:09 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 17, 2018, 05:33:37 pm
Religion Tex would either be a large, single hit to happiness, or a constant drain on our happiness. Either way, it's a bad idea in my opinion.Pretty sure it'll be a religious revolt event chain.
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 05:35:46 pm
Religion Tex would either be a large, single hit to happiness, or a constant drain on our happiness. Either way, it's a bad idea in my opinion.Pretty sure it'll be a religious revolt event chain.
People, please. We are barely at a stable happiness as is.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2018, 05:36:33 pm
Do you know something I don't?
No Edict
I think I remember that previously when we hit the army cap, the recruitment offices were shut down for lack of need. If that's true – although I haven't found the reference post yet – we might not need to actually revoke them. We would want to be careful about the cost springing back when the army dips down though. On the other hand if my memory is wrong, the budget can carry them through this year still. (Searching will continue.)
I am against the religion tax because of personal inclination, unhappiness concerns, and furthermore the possibility of angering deities who have been known to be active in the world (see: Gubta Plague); I think we could at least wait until we know what the trade delegation to Helliste can do for us.
Post by: Prophet on March 17, 2018, 05:37:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 05:38:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 17, 2018, 05:44:11 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 17, 2018, 05:51:06 pm
No Edict, just so long as we don't revoke recruitment.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2018, 06:02:05 pm
"Most blessed leader," Begins the Advisor. "The policy of cutting budget tight has proven to be effective. Our Treasury recovered somewhat, especially after we had to lay off some recruiters; the influx of men they create couldn't be paid by the Treasury. The higher taxes helped too, of course."
Accounting was a little bit wobbly with multiple things happening that year but from a quick once-over it looks to me like the savings was real.
Again, keep in mind that this expense will return
Post by: Arlos on March 17, 2018, 06:46:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2018, 06:54:27 pm
1152 AD, Spring
You hear that Estjalf of Cydwyl and young Lady Alissa are going to marry. Few days later you receive a simple letter of gratitude from your half-sister, Valhelma.
1152 AD, Mid-Spring
You receive news from the west; apparently Tetan I of Eldrican begun reforming his military to a more centralized model that will also make use of mass cavalry; both heavy cavalry for shock value as well as fast and agile skirmishers equipped with bows, a la nomadic tradition, quite possibly to help the recently conquered nomads integrate into Eldrican society faster.
1152 AD, Summer
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Entirety of the Army is shaken by the report made by some government bureaucrats, who were investigating rumors of lack of discipline that begun to surface in recent months.
Apparently, the influx of mercenaries and other lowly folk from abroad brought a new level of lackluster performance amongst your soldiers and officers alike, and nothing was done in recent years to instill some discipline and drill into the newcomers. According to the bureaucrats' report, many thousands of soldiers aren't worth their pay in the Army, and hypotethically would run away at first sight of trouble.
The military council is aghast to hear all this. As soon as discussion begins, it's obvious that two topics split the officers minds: what to do with the worthless mooks, and how to alleviate this problem so this won't happen again in the future. Some believe that numbers are needed, some call for removal of the unworthy. Some believe that recruitment offices are at fault and need to be removed, others say that a proper codex of training and discipline needs to be issued, so even the most inept of wagabonds can be made into highly trained professionals.
The final say remains with you, of course.
As for the undisciplined soldiers...
A) Clearly, we must purge the weed within our Army!
B) Strength comes from numbers, and we need them all!
As for military tradition and administration...
A) Revoke Recruitment Offices Edict.
B) Issue the Codex of Training Regimen.
C) This is superbly rare thing, we don't need extra precautions here.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 17, 2018, 06:57:13 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 17, 2018, 07:00:47 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 17, 2018, 07:05:31 pm
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Post by: Hotfire90 on March 17, 2018, 07:25:54 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2018, 07:34:30 pm
Spoiler: rant on the expense involved (click to show/hide)
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Until the training kicks in, superior numbers is also a bonus. We've been using the recruits for over a decade without noticeable examples of cowardice, I'm inclined to give them a chance. Especially since it looks, for now, like we might have time to train them properly.
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2018, 07:36:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 17, 2018, 09:01:56 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 17, 2018, 10:41:43 pm
Post by: Shadowclaw777 on March 17, 2018, 10:45:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 18, 2018, 12:06:13 am
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Post by: Rockeater on March 18, 2018, 12:34:48 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 02:10:07 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 18, 2018, 02:42:19 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 18, 2018, 03:18:23 am
Can't we just throw all of them into orcworld? No point for them to run away there.
Did we just not pass by the sign that says "DO NOT FEED THE ORCS"?
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 04:26:46 am
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You decide to Issue the Codex of Training Regimen, upping up both training and recruitment standards. The officials and officers alike are ordered to prune the useless mooks from the Army.
1152 AD, Autumn
You receive report on the pruning - indeed, many thousand recruits and lowly soldiers have been expelled, and even few officers shared their fate as well.
Numerical value of the Army has been readjusted to 6
Good news fill the palace; Bjeda gave birth to another child! It's a girl this time, and the proud mother named her 'Eiri'.
1152 AD, Late Autumn
You hear that the Damdamian system has further collapsed this year; numerous states in the north are biting each other faces off, the underage Empress is unable to rein nearby states in, two republics in the far south declared themselves independent, and more margraves consider declaring themselves Kings of their own domains, like Kingdom of Rucus did.
1152 AD, Winter
Silver and gemstones arrive in your Treasury. The shipment of gold, the last one ever, arrives with a letter from King Shapur of Parsia, in which he praises your skilled leadership.
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Finally, quality glassware sold for much profit this year! Peoples were also made happier for having access to such quality goods.
1152 AD, Midwinter
A giant has appeared during a blizzard in northern Donuth and begun to lay waste to nearby hamlets!
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As your courtiers are shouting at each other about what to do, the anxiety causes you to order them to 'find a solution' while you retreat to your lovely chamber of study. Yes, this is where you-
*KZZZZTTTTT*
You're Houlandin, son of Cyl, heir to the Imperial Throne of Methiant!
Your father did it again. In middle of extremely important meeting to discuss a calamity, he fled the chamber, presumably to hide in his study.
But it is prime opportunity for you to assert your authority to the nobles before you even ascend! Therefore, you decide to...
A) Hire some lvl30+ adventurers to slay the uninvited guest.
B) Ask them to ignore the giant, because it will surely wander off on its own
C) Send the Army to pulverize the giant with Thundercats.
D) Proclaim that you will personally challenge and kill the giant in a duel!!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 18, 2018, 04:37:56 am
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 04:47:50 am
C - Single, large, slow/stationary target? This is what Thundercats are for!+1
Post by: birdy51 on March 18, 2018, 05:19:05 am
Also, for a moment I had thought poor Cyl had himself a heart attack. Somebody should probably talk to him about that...
Post by: Rockeater on March 18, 2018, 05:19:55 am
+1C - Single, large, slow/stationary target? This is what Thundercats are for!+1
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 05:29:20 am
...except few noblemen staring at you expectantly.
"What about you, friends?" The nobles look at each other, then back at you.
"Most blessed Prince..." The one seated nearest to you speaks. "Me and my colleagues have been... thinking... about Emperor Cyl's behavior and policies lately, so we were wondering if it is mayhaps time for him to vacate the throne. This is not treason talk, please have mercy, but he has been growing old, his authority is non-existant, and you're in prime age, have a heir yourself, and are well liked by the court, and the peoples of Methiant well know of your bravery and courage."
"And what if my father will not want to vacate the throne?" Your question makes the nobles visibly squirm.
"Then, we believe, there might be a need to... 'persuade' him, yes?"
A) "This is all treason talk! Guards!!"
B) "I will ask him to step down. You're right - it is my turn to rule!"
C) "I will pretend I haven't heard this. Have a nice day."
D) "He is too stubborn to abdicate. We will need to 'persuade' him, indeed."
Post by: Kashyyk on March 18, 2018, 05:33:59 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 18, 2018, 05:37:02 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 05:51:38 am
Yeah, Houlandin's not that much better as a would-be Emperor, it'd be a complete shitshow if he actually survived to ascend to the throne. I'm thinking Eivan might be a better candidate, honestly. Or maybe one of Abis' children, did we actually exclude them from the succession?
Post by: Taricus on March 18, 2018, 06:01:43 am
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Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 06:57:50 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 18, 2018, 08:02:07 am
Dad is on the way out, and I think Houlandin knows it. But dad has also had his back a lot in the past few years ever since they butted heads at the war conference. So I don't think it's succession time yet, unless Cyl himself decides it's time to step down.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 18, 2018, 08:36:05 am
Absolutely, lets ask. Then hopefully we get control of Cyl, and we can say yes!
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 09:02:33 am
This means we can get back to regular programming!
*KZZZZZZZZZZTTT!*
1152 AD, Late Winter
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There has been few hundred casualties before the giant was routed from Donuth. It had fled northwest, into currently unoccupied lands north of Rainbow Lizard mountains.
A) And it is welcome to stay there.
B) After it, till it expires!
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 09:04:03 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 18, 2018, 09:09:18 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 18, 2018, 09:12:25 am
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Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 09:26:54 am
A day later you receive censuses of the Empire; it seems that during the prosperity and peace of recent years, your population recovered somewhat!
1152 AD, End of the Year
Ah yes, that time of the year again.
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Happiness: 6
Population: 7
Economy: 5
Army: 6
Imp.Authority: -1
Those are good numbers, except one...
"The recruitment offices are undergoing slight reform due to introduction of the Codex. By the next year however, our Army will surely resume expanding its ranks. The Council of Statesmen managed to improve your authority after issueing of the last Edict."
"Do you wish to issue another Edict, your Majesty?"
A) "Aye."
B) "Nay."
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 09:36:38 am
Post by: Prophet on March 18, 2018, 09:49:40 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 18, 2018, 09:58:03 am
Post by: Twinwolf on March 18, 2018, 10:24:45 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 18, 2018, 10:25:45 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 18, 2018, 10:27:41 am
Also, for a moment I had thought poor Cyl had himself a heart attack. Somebody should probably talk to him about that...
Yeah, he's 53 years old now and apparently the health blessing expired, so it's quite possible. Time itself might be the greatest "persuader."
But though I don't want to hurry him, I honestly don't know anymore how much Cyl is worth protecting. A more typical ruler would have "stepped aside" decades ago instead of watching his sons scramble for scraps; meanwhile the reclusive trait strikes at some inopportune times.
All the other edicts I'm interested in take money, and right now the budget is expected to be evenly balanced (dependent on how glasswares go).
B
Post by: Weirdsound on March 18, 2018, 10:41:48 am
Post by: omada on March 18, 2018, 10:55:29 am
but i don't want to risk for people voting for an expensive edict while i am out B
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 11:02:09 am
1153 AD, Spring
King Shapur of Parsia is dead! His heir and son, Ahmad, ascends to the throne.
A) Alright? Let's move on.
B) Send him a polite letter.
Post by: birdy51 on March 18, 2018, 11:05:44 am
Doesn't take much to be polite.
Post by: omada on March 18, 2018, 11:08:05 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 11:09:27 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 11:10:44 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 18, 2018, 11:28:57 am
Post by: Prophet on March 18, 2018, 11:29:51 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 18, 2018, 11:35:38 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 18, 2018, 11:39:04 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 18, 2018, 02:01:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 03:00:14 pm
why wouldn't we?
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 03:17:01 pm
You don't receive a reply.
1153 AD, Summer
You receive a letter from one of your nobles in Donuth; apparently, he has been the host to one of the most influential sculptors from Cydwyl, Eddryn Ceóldweich. The man is known for making eleven statues of Cydwyl monarchs, from Talon, through Cidric, to the recently finished statue of King Erik.
The nobleman in question is wondering whether you would like to commission the services of the famous Eddryn, as he would surely pass your invitation to the sculptor.
A) Royal statues, you say? Send him to my palace, please!
B) I don't need services of any artists, they're expensive anyways.
Post by: ZBridges on March 18, 2018, 03:19:27 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 03:21:05 pm
A good statue might raise our authority.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 03:22:55 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 18, 2018, 03:23:07 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 18, 2018, 03:29:11 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 18, 2018, 03:32:36 pm
Worth a shot. Maybe it will get us out of the old study.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 18, 2018, 03:39:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 04:34:35 pm
Two weeks later, he arrives with several of his aides and pupils. He immediately thanks you for the invitation.
"I envision a large marble statue, your Majesty, in the palace's courtyard. It would represent you, holding a sword aloft toward anyone entering the palace through the main gate. I would use a special glaze to give the statue a snow-white polish that will last decades."
A) "That is fine. Get to work, maestro!"
B) "How about something taller, larger, and in the central plaza of the capital city instead?"
C) "That doesn't please me at all! I won't be buying your services."
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 04:36:37 pm
We are the first emperor after all.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 18, 2018, 04:37:09 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 04:39:22 pm
Post by: Culise on March 18, 2018, 04:42:02 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 04:45:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 04:59:27 pm
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You tell him of your vision; a large marble statue of your humble self, seated on a horse, with sword drawn high over the plaza. The entirety of the statue as tall as a brickhouse, on a lovely, rectangular dais.
"That will take a bit longer and will be a bit more expensive than the statue I planned for the courtyard, but I will gladly fulfill your request." The sculptor leave the audience room.
Few days later, you receive a report; Eddryn estimates that his project will take two years, during which he and his pupils expect to be paid. Of course they will be paid!
1153 AD, Autumn
Torrential rains have assaulted the region this time, but the Scepter, shining and pulsating, has made sure that there is no inundation or flooding. Praised be dwarves!
1153 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive a letter from King Ahmad of Parsia; he wishes to marry his eldest daughter, Miram, to your grandson and Houlandin's heir, Llewyn.
A) No thanks, we already had enough trouble with Parsian family members.
B) Sure thing, let's just hope she won't turn out to be second coming of Abis.
C) Lemme grab Houlandin and ask him real quick what he thinks of this offer.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 18, 2018, 05:01:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 18, 2018, 05:08:17 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 05:08:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 05:19:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2018, 05:21:39 pm
"No. Never." Houlandin doesn't even let you finish about the proposal after you approach him in his chambers.
"He will marry someone following Alldivine faith, father."
You decide to...
A) Try to convince him anyways.
B) Write a negative reply to King Ahmad.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 18, 2018, 05:29:58 pm
Don't really see why anyone's hot and bothered about the Alldivines, they're about as good as anyone else. And you gotta respect the Eleven Graces' relaxed attitudes to child sacrifice.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 18, 2018, 05:30:04 pm
I have a bad feeling about this, though. . .
Post by: Iituem on March 18, 2018, 05:30:29 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 18, 2018, 05:31:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 18, 2018, 05:32:54 pm
The boy is old enough to decide the affairs of his son and sole heir.
A rng please be with us (also having the statue be him on a horse seems like a bad idea due to past kings fates lol)
Inb4 crushed by giant stone horse.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2018, 05:33:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 18, 2018, 05:41:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 18, 2018, 05:50:50 pm
Yeah I don't quite get how the Alldivines started brainwashing our kids. For the record Abis was never bad, we were bad to her.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 18, 2018, 05:59:18 pm
Try to convince, sure, but if he doesn't want too, okay.
Post by: helmacon on March 18, 2018, 06:22:02 pm
You know, for all this work we have put into religious tolerance, i'm kinda worried that we are gonna end up with some fundamentalist for our heir.
Post by: Arlos on March 18, 2018, 06:54:57 pm
Also, in case you guys forgot, Parsia is Intolerant as fuck toward other religion, something to consider before marrying more of their royalty.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 18, 2018, 07:28:13 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 18, 2018, 11:09:12 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 12:13:40 am
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 01:02:53 am
A rng please be with us (also having the statue be him on a horse seems like a bad idea due to past kings fates lol)
Inb4 crushed by giant stone horse.
:Vc
/me writes that down.
You try to convince him.
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Several minutes later, the guards walk in, startled by the shouting and noise you two were making. Houlandin didn't budge and stormed off, while you retreat to your study to cool down.
Your courtiers once again have to write a letter in your name, too.
1153 AD, Winter
Gems and silver arrive in your treasury.
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And for second year in a row, the glassware exceeds exceptations of your traders! Money pours into the Treasury, and governors around Methiant note the praise your subjects are giving you.
An interesting report arrives from one of your administrators in Tiftit - apparently, an ancient tomb has been discovered under one of the many farm fields there! The tomb is rather strange, because it is shaped like honeycomb, and has various branch-like runes etched around the entrance, the script unlike any known human or dwarven (or hurthling, as the little guys attest).
The administrator asks what to do about this strange find.
A) Just cover it up and relocate the farm just to be sure.
B) Purify it, but do not touch it.
C) Purify and open it! I call dibs on the fancy loot!!
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2018, 01:06:04 am
Have we ever not looted a tomb?
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 01:07:11 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 01:08:59 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:28:07 am
Might be an elven tomb, and the last time we cheesed them off we were hunted across three generations.
Post by: ZBridges on March 19, 2018, 02:08:26 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 02:37:49 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 19, 2018, 02:48:54 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2018, 02:51:16 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:10:52 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 19, 2018, 08:56:57 am
Sounds like a Hurthling thing. We really ought to ask them about it.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 09:13:17 am
Maybe I'm getting soft in Cyl's old age, but my recollection is that opening tombs (especially what looks like another race's) tends to be more hazardous than rewarding.
Once bitten, twice shy.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 19, 2018, 09:20:23 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 19, 2018, 09:21:02 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 19, 2018, 09:43:21 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 19, 2018, 10:34:26 am
Post by: Baffler on March 19, 2018, 11:38:04 am
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 11:44:52 am
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You order the tomb purified and looted, with you getting the biggest cut!
1153 AD, Midwinter
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The tomb has been opened! No curse have befallen the looters, and a big caravan of silver items arrived in the palace! In fact, the entirety of the silver ware couldn't be matched by a whole team of craftsmen producing such items in span of a year! It is worth more than what your silver mines produce, even! There was suprisingly no sarcophagus or anything of the kind; instead, some bone dust mixed in with very old and very rotten green cloth.
The crafts will be sold by the Treasurer to bring profits for the Empire.
There's also matter of a delicate necklace; it is made of a silver chain, adorned with three leaves. After appraisal, it turns out that the leaves are made of emeralds, with thin 'veins' of gold dust pressed into the glassy surface.
A) It will look perfect alongside the Coronation Staff!
B) Extra bauble, extra cash. Sell it!
Post by: crazyabe on March 19, 2018, 11:49:25 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 11:50:09 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 11:51:41 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 19, 2018, 11:55:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 19, 2018, 11:56:02 am
Well. May as well wait until the elves come to spite us once more.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 19, 2018, 11:57:57 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 11:58:33 am
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 12:15:37 pm
1153 AD, End of the Year
You finish your mulled wine just as the good old Advisor brings the Scrolls of Kingdom Status for your review!
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Happiness: 7
Population: 7
Economy: 8
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: 0
"Your Majesty, I'm pleased to announce that the Empire is doing mightily fine, better than it did ever since its establishment! Your authority grows and so does the Army, as this year's recruits proved hardy enough to withstand the rigor of training."
"The Treasurer is very happy with the state of the Treasury, too, and even wonders if you would be willing to spen some of the accumulated money to further strengthen our Empire?"
You decide to...
A) Call in dwarves to fashion you an enchanted artifact of sorts.
B) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
C) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
D) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
E) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
F) Take a swim in the money, this newfound sea of riches of yours!
G) Expand the budget of the Army, so it maintain even greater numbers.
H) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
"And of course I have to ask - are you interested in issueing an Edict this year?"
A) "But of course!"
B) "Nah, not now."
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 12:17:58 pm
Lets keep ahold of the money, with edicts now we've got quite the ability to spend if we want too.
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 12:19:47 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 19, 2018, 12:19:59 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 12:31:09 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 19, 2018, 12:35:18 pm
Post by: omada on March 19, 2018, 12:36:36 pm
we will probably have to pay absurd prices for the sculptor anyway
Post by: Baffler on March 19, 2018, 12:42:27 pm
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Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 12:52:23 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Establish the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Establish Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 12:54:09 pm
Could also be a good idea to establish the Royal House of Learning, R&D investment could be a way to conjure up some economically relevant resources both on the homefront and in Orcworld.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 12:56:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2018, 12:58:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 01:00:43 pm
Expanding Primogeniture Law should send a message to that stubborn son of ours, as well as our daughter and grandson. It wont even cost us a cent, and may lead to the peaceful acquisition of Cydwyl!
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 01:03:40 pm
Post by: omada on March 19, 2018, 01:06:34 pm
Guys, our Money stat may look good, but we do not have much income anymore. We shouldn't be passing something like Shadowranks with upkeep until we find a new source of income.
Expanding Primogeniture Law should send a message to that stubborn son of ours, as well as our daughter and grandson. It wont even cost us a cent, and may lead to the peaceful acquisition of Cydwyl!
This! if our son rebel we play with Cydwyl to kill him, we have 7 hapiness maybe even peasants would help
And maybe in the recent future we should do the patronage or settlement edict as both maybe can give us money back
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:07:30 pm
Guys, our Money stat may look good, but we do not have much income anymore. We shouldn't be passing something like Shadowranks with upkeep until we find a new source of income.
Do the Shadowranks actually have upkeep? It's clear for the cultural edicts because they explicitly mention a yearly cost, but the Codex of Training Regimen doesn't seem to incur a yearly cost, and stuff like the Bill of Rights or primogeniture expansion clearly wouldn't either. They might just have an IA cost. On the other hand, Fireblood Court doesn't say it costs economy but it actually does, and it's unclear in the case of the Recruitment Offices, so who even knows.
I tell you hwat, it sure would be handy if some kind of deific figure could descend from the heavens and enlighten us voters about which of these would actually cost us money (maybe with some kind of categorization like [one-off], [yearly upkeep], [roll-based effect]) since that seems like information that would be included in any sensible project proposal.
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 01:13:51 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 01:19:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 01:19:49 pm
All other are free.
Passage Tax provides +1 with no negative impact cuz you guys have no exports going out, no imports going in (and glassware is sold locally and thus is exempt), and settlement policy isnt on. I sometimes try to flip a coin to get negative event outta this but RNG has been blessing you about this since '42.
/me shakes fist, his plans foiled.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 19, 2018, 01:22:15 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:22:26 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 01:24:51 pm
Makes sense - from this information I'd suggest our next edicts (after the Shadowranks which seem like an even wiser investment if there's no upkeep) be the House of Learning followed by killing the Recruitment Offices to keep our cash flow nice and proper.
We just passed that codex that in theory makes recruitment harder. Killing recruitment offices at this point strikes me as a rather dumb idea.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:30:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 01:34:07 pm
Our Army value hasnearlyactually peaked unless we increase military funding (which we can't responsibly do before we increase our income, possibly through an opportunity that we can make more likely by instituting the House of Learning), so the Recruitment Offices are doing us barely any to no good and are just a drain on resources, and as such canceling them in maybe two years at most seems like good sense.
But if we can the recruitment offices, and have to fight a major war, it could take a long time for our forces to recover.
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 01:36:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:37:55 pm
But if we can the recruitment offices, and have to fight a major war, it could take a long time for our forces to recover.
We can reinstate them literally any year we want, it's wasteful to keep them around if they're not helping us when we could instead do sensible peacetime spending.
Post by: omada on March 19, 2018, 01:40:33 pm
I will highly prioritize to the settlement policy over the house of learning, house of learning will be a bonus and maybe a problem, settlement will give space for population to grow and mines to be found or fertile lands helping us, house of learning might give income and stuff, but will make people advocate for more rights
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we should have waged war and annexed koi and it's silver mines to us, now they have a fuckton of warhorses and the fight will get harder, maybe our spymaster can kill tetan I and we can press the son to pay their debts, or see their lands falling into chaos and we getting a grab on it
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 01:44:31 pm
we should have waged war and annexed koi and it's silver mines to us, now they have a fuckton of warhorses and the fight will get harder, maybe our spymaster can kill tetan I and we can press the son to pay their debts, or see their lands falling into chaos and we getting a grab on it
Waged war with our depleted military and low happiness, to say nothing of low Imperial Authority and two wars fought in the past half-decade, one of them a civil war? It would have been a guaranteed disaster if we even attempted it, let alone tried to follow through.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 19, 2018, 01:52:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 01:57:52 pm
1154 AD, Spring
There has been a disaster at the city of Luathbas! The Great Temple of the Pantheon, hosting a truly enormous gallery of statues of all Pantheon gods, old and new, has collapsed upon itself! Many prominent clerics, lowly acolytes and simple visitors has been killed. Preeliminary reports point to the rot of the wooden foundations that caused the majestic domed building to collapse.
A) What a terrible tragedy! I ought to assure the peoples of Luathbas that the Crown stands besides them with a finely-worded letter.
B) Such a grand monument cannot just lay in ruin! I will sponsor its reconstruction (hopefully with better foundations this time).
C) Well these accidents happen, I'm sure the Pantheonists will learn something from this disaster.
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 01:59:26 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 19, 2018, 01:59:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 02:00:09 pm
I forget if we built this one, and hopefully everyone else did too.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 02:01:25 pm
Then again this game's going for 500+ pages, how does anyone remember all *that*?
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 02:03:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 02:04:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 02:04:58 pm
I'm pretty sure you guys sponsored construction of Alldivine Chorus Amphitheatre, but not this ;v
Then again this game's going for 500+ pages, how does anyone remember all *that*?
Listen, I'm pretty sure that based on historical trends people in the promised internet age won't suspect that Cyl was actually three different Emperors crushed by two different horses that got conflated into one heroic founding myth of the Methiantese Empire.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 02:05:12 pm
If it staff we do then B
Scratch your old votes or so help me >:V
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 02:06:12 pm
I think we made this temple when we were still Luathbas?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 02:06:40 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 02:09:04 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 02:12:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 02:15:49 pm
I think we made this temple when we were still Luathbas?
I did a little thread digging, and there is mention of some 'temple construction' and 'construction disaster' in first game, in about 865 AD. Dang, that's 300 years ago, no wonder the temple collapsed v;
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 02:17:23 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 19, 2018, 02:19:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 02:19:53 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 19, 2018, 02:20:17 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 02:28:05 pm
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You decide that it would be affront to all gods to let the Grand Temple lie in ruination, so you sponsor its reconstruction. You hear the Treasurer's painful groan somewhere in the back of the audience room.
1154 AD, Summer
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The healers rub ointments into your skin at the joints, especially the knees, but the pains aren't subsiding that much. You grumble about your condition, and the medics just shake their heads.
"Emperor, you're old. You can't stay healthy forever, it is the law of nature."
Congratulations! Cyl I obtained rheumatic negative trait!
As they prepare another mixture of medicines, you think about yourself a little bit...
A) Mayhaps I'm too old for this. Mayhaps... mayhaps it's time I make place for the youngsters?
B) This is law of the nature indeed. Hopefully I still have some years going for me!
C) I ought to find a better solution. Maybe foreign alchemists know something? Maybe some wise hermitic mystic knows the secret of long life?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 02:29:27 pm
A
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 02:33:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 02:35:33 pm
C I'm actually kinda curious to see what will come from this option. Since our Alchemists only seem to focus on Fireblood it'd be kinda cool to see what other kind of things Alchemists can do.Too C
Post by: Baffler on March 19, 2018, 02:36:04 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 02:37:40 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 19, 2018, 02:40:42 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 02:41:40 pm
We are collecting too many negative traits.
Post by: ZBridges on March 19, 2018, 02:43:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 02:46:01 pm
Inviting people to come with cures is just asking to be fleeced, swindled, AND gulled.
Houlandin is for all intents and purposes already running the army. Cyl can tough out the paperwork still.
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 02:47:40 pm
How old is he right now?
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 02:53:32 pm
And was crowned king when the Civil War ended shortly after his 15th birthday, so this also marks the 40th (!) year of his reign.
And next year will be the 20th anniversary of the creation of the Empire.
Why aren't we having a big party here?
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 02:55:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 03:03:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 03:12:16 pm
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You decide that perhaps it's time for you to leave the throne. You're old, you're tired, you're getting affected with ailments.
Yes. Yes, it is time. You had a good run. Exactly forty years on the throne, in the age and the land where ten is considered plenty and twenty deserves a separate, commemorative history scripture.
During the next meeting with your court, you announce your desire to abdicate the throne. The courtiers' reactions are mixed; some are relieved, some are sad, some nod heads in agreement, some bemoan this as if it's some world-ending disaster.
You assure them that Houlandin will do fine as your successor.
~~1154 AD, Midsummer~~ (https://youtu.be/ZeZL2R9jDJM?t=6m55s)
You are Houlandin, son of Cyl!
Your father has just abdicated, and by the law of the Empire, you ascend to the throne of Methiant! You yourself are getting slightly old, 36 years is nothing to scoff at.
You are martial genius, and has proven that many times in the history of your princedom. Some people know, most do not care, that you're homosexual. Being one-eyed is, nowadays, just a nuisance to you, and some show respect to your battle scarring, too!
You've made one son with Estrid. The girl has always been a faithful companion, and when she found out about your... preference, she swore to protect your secret. Truly, a woman to be rewarded for her loyalty! Llewyn himself is a very charismatic fellow, his eloquence and silvertongue noted by his tutors, and he loves poetry to boot (gotta score those points with ladies)!
Wearing the decorated, hand-knitted eyepatch for your coronation, you also adorn yourself with the leaf-necklace. Holding the Coronation Staff in your hand, you accept the Imperial Crown from the crowd of courtiers, the Advisor then places it on your bowed head.
What regnal name should you take? You consider this for a moment.
You never were like your father. Except stubborness, you two always warred about something. Dissappointment for him or not, you cannot simply accept his name as regnal name. Shall you go back to the old times of the dynasty, and assume the name of your venerable ancestors?
No, you're a self-made man! Thus, you decide to use your birth name as your regnal name. Long live Emperor of Methiant, and King of Felonsein and King of Ceodwell, also Duke of Eval, Master of Tiftit Hurthlings, the Overlord of Donuth! Long Live Houlandin I!
1154 AD, Late Summer
And now to the first order of business.
Estrid enters your study, wearing a simple dress. You know why she is here, so you take the papers, prepared long ago, from your desk. This has been a mutual agreement made over a decade ago, and finally, finally, you can set her free.
You sign the papers, meanwhile she sighs with a hint of regret.
"I wish you weren't like this, Houlandin."
"I wish you were a man, Estrid."
She gives you a chaste peck on your cheek, and happily takes her copy of the divorce documents. Llewyn, of course, will remain at the palace as your heir and can visit his mother whenever he wishes. As for Estrid, she is still young; you hope that she will lead a happy life beside that nobleman Ansdwyn (they started seeing each other last Spring, if you remember correctly), in her newly purchased keep and with her newfound riches.
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Unfortunately, the court isn't that happy about this. People of the Empire will surely dislike having a wife-less Emperor, but what they shall do about it? You have a son and heir, and two of your brothers are still alive. Plenty of dynastical backup there!
Few days later, you have to deal with something else entirely.
The silver mines, the backbone of Methiantese economy, has suffered a terrible flood! Apparently, the miners hit an underground river, and numerous tunnels were flooded, with quite a few miners drowned in the torrential water pouring into the shafts. The administrators of the mines are worried about both the cost and time that will have to be spent to reclaim the flooded areas. Part of the mines is still operational, but the income from them might not even be a third of what the mines produced.
A) I'm sure they can fix them on their own.
B) This is terrible! Let's sponsor their attempt with supplies, money and hired workforce. The silver must flow!!
C) But can they manage this on their own? We should turn to the local experts in mining and geology - that's it, the Dwarves!
Guuuuuuuys, not only you managed to get a single monarch live to his fifties, he also reigned for 40 years AND retired peacefully.
I'm so fucking proud of you guys.
/me sniffles into a handkerchief.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 03:15:55 pm
Perhaps this will bring the chance to hire them to prospect some of our other holdings.
Edit: Also, low key disappointed we didn't get Houlandin's entire title like we got for Cyl when he took the title of emperor.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 03:17:22 pm
B
Post by: crazyabe on March 19, 2018, 03:25:31 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 03:25:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 03:26:57 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 03:29:08 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 03:29:24 pm
B The Dwarves are always super expensive. Better to save it for when we need them for something we really can't handle on our own. Also I'm so happy and sad! :'( Cyl we'll miss kickin' people's teeth in with your might conquesting powers but you deserve your peaceful rest!
Houladin's Martial Bonus is even better for teeth kicking than Cyl's Conquesting powers. And again, we will likely get the chance to do so at the end of the year unless our military gets hit.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 03:31:41 pm
how old is the Heir ?
Houlandin is 36. Llewyn is 14, so we should be learning his trait soon.
I might point out that Martial trait is better for commanding armies, but one-eyed is a penalty if Houlandin ever gets into personal combat.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 03:32:26 pm
how old is the Heir ?
Houlandin is 36. Llewyn is 14, so we should be learning his trait soon.
Oh yeah, I knew I was forgetting something. Lemme poke the RNG and fix it!
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 03:33:21 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 03:33:42 pm
C We did make up with the dwarves after all, hopefully this will just help solidify that.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 03:34:22 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 03:35:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2018, 03:36:29 pm
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Guuuuuuuys, not only you managed to get a single monarch live to his fifties, he also reigned for 40 years AND retired peacefully.
but he wasn't great enough for Houlandin to keep his name apparently. Self made man my ass, he was the son of the greatest emperor to ever live!
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 03:38:05 pm
Edit: Also, low key disappointed we didn't get Houlandin's entire title like we got for Cyl when he took the title of emperor.
Rectified in the ascension post, just for you :P
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2018, 03:40:12 pm
Also, so stoked about our titles. I love seeing them organically grow like this.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 03:41:21 pm
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Wearing the decorated, hand-knitted eyepatch for your coronation
Awww, how touching.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 03:51:16 pm
Edit: Also, low key disappointed we didn't get Houlandin's entire title like we got for Cyl when he took the title of emperor.
Rectified in the ascension post, just for you :P
Awesome. Thanks.
So many details to review, just noticed this one:QuoteWearing the decorated, hand-knitted eyepatch for your coronation
Awww, how touching.
I think his sister made it as a gift that one time Cyl visited Cydwyl to deal with Cidric's uncles. If I recall correctly, Houlandin was not terribly impressed with it at the time.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 03:53:19 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 03:53:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 03:56:05 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 19, 2018, 03:56:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2018, 03:56:46 pm
He used the conquer title, but he earned a bunch of others too. Negotiator, pacifier, something else i don't remember. What a guy.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 03:59:19 pm
ccc
You decide to send some money and supplies to the mines. Restoring them to full efficiency is a priority!
1154 AD, Autumn
News from the Orcworld! The expedition sent to the east have found forests and grasslands, a prime spot for settlers, if you ever consider it. Rolling hills, flowery meadows and rivers full of refreshing water only add to the idyllic landscape!
That's possibly why the previous civilization that dwelled there settled in the region. The expedition found numerous ruins made of greyish bricks and stones. Most of them were overgrown and reduced to rubble, so they must be ancient, but all evidence points to high level of civilization, as some of the ruins were simply huge and definitely keeps, temples and other such ceremonial or governmental structures. No archeological artifacts were found, however; not even a piece of cloth or rusted sword blade.
Beyond the hills and the forests, your scouts saw some vast expanses of plains, and in the far distance of horizon, some mountains.
Scholars and the army members on the other side of the portal-tunnel will be compiling reports for some time now.
1154 AD, Winter
Gemstones arrive at the Treasury.
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The miners managed to mine out enough silver to fill half the usual quota. The glassware however didn't fare as good as the last year, and brought only some profits to the royal coffers.
1154 AD, Midwinter
Diplomatic corps have a report for you; apparently, the savage rulers of Albion, the pirate-y nation of bearded sailors and worshippers of the Father Mountain and Mother Sky, have been engrossed with tales of the splendor and wealth of Methiant.
No, no they don't want to plunder you, silly! Their current High King, Asgerr II, is willing to hand his only daughter and fifth child, Herta, as a wife for your son and heir, Llewyn!
A) That's fine, but how can I ever benefit from marrying such distant, heathen royal family? Sorry, gotta turn this proposal down I'm afraid.
B) Our reputation is so far-reaching, huh? Well it would be cruel to disappoint our fanboys up north by refusing the marriage offer!
Gosh, going back through Cyl sure earned a lot of titles.
He used the conquer title, but he earned a bunch of others too. Negotiator, pacifier, something else i don't remember. What a guy.
Ye, you guys were one title away from obtaining 'the Great' title, which supersedes all other titles and grants a global +1 to all personal rolls (letter writing, personal combat, negotiations, army leading, lore knowledge, recovering from wounds, etc etc).
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 19, 2018, 04:06:01 pm
It's gonna be a pirate wedding!
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 04:06:16 pm
If Cyl didn’t get The Great title nobody deserve it.
How far is Houlandin from The great title?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:07:55 pm
Bad a deal as this is politically, I kind of want to get working on the grandkids ASAP. Houlandin has only the one son, and is unlikely to make any more. If Llewyn dies childless, we have to trust Cyl's other kids not to tear the empire in half when we die
B
If Cyl didn’t get The Great title nobody deserve it.
How far is Houlandin from The great title?
He doesn't even have one title to his name yet. I have a feeling we can go to war and fix that once we get our army report at the end of the year.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 04:08:44 pm
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Ye, you guys were one title away from obtaining 'the Great' titleI knew it was too soon to retire!
Albion might be able to get us alternative passage to the far eastern lands, since *cough,cough* it's been three years since we sent a team of negotiators to Helliste.
(Or be a useful ally in a war against Helliste.)
B
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 04:14:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 04:17:57 pm
We already turned down a heathen for marrying him, why would we take a second one (that offers much less political gain?)
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 04:19:55 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 04:22:49 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:23:15 pm
... I'm glad that, when the title of the thread changed, it at least wasn't because you guys got the king killed while I wasn't looking again. :P
Still, while this is probably the same choice I'd have made in the context, I am disappointed we didn't get to celebrate a diamond jubilee. I also think people are exaggerating just how old 55 actually is, possibly due to the "ancient people aged faster" myth. Well, in any case, it's good to see we have a new charismatic son to help with the business of peacefully absorbing our neighbours. Soon to include Albion!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:29:57 pm
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... I'm glad that, when the title of the thread changed, it at least wasn't because you guys got the king killed while I wasn't looking again. :P
Still, while this is probably the same choice I'd have made in the context, I am disappointed we didn't get to celebrate a diamond jubilee. I also think people are exaggerating just how old 55 actually is, possibly due to the "ancient people aged faster" myth. Well, in any case, it's good to see we have a new charismatic son to help with the business of peacefully absorbing our neighbours. Soon to include Albion!
We need to be super protective of that Charismatic son until he has kids of his own. Houlandin isn't about to make more heirs for himself, so we can't risk the one we got on diplomatic missions.
Also, I wasn't worried about Cyl's age so much as I was sick of dealing with his reclusive trait.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 04:31:10 pm
We already turned down a heathen for marrying him, why would we take a second one (that offers much less political gain?)
Only in the sense that the roll didn't go our way: Cyl tried to persuade him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7713491#msg7713491). Houlandin ain't an NPC anymore, we won't let him get away with religious intolerance.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 04:34:55 pm
1154 AD, End of the Year
You rub your hands together in unashamed anticipation. Something that was the priviledge of your father for oh so many years, is now your and yours only priviledge! The fabled Scrolls of Kingdom Status! Updated, rewritten, patched up and extended for decades!
Here comes the elderly Advisor! And those documents of most royal significance end on your desk! How fare the numbers and the Empire??
Quote
2to5, 4to6
Happiness: 6
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: +1
Aren't those some sweet-ass numbers, bruh!
"The peaceful passing of the crown have raised the authority of the Emperor's offices, your majesty. While the number of recruits worthy of the rank in the Army was smaller than the previous year, we still got enough to enlarge the Army, which is at its highest with current budget."
"The Marshal and the courtiers alike believe that the Army, and the Empire in its entirety, is ready to wage war against our enemies, sire. All you have to do is pick a target so your officers can prepare an invasion plan."
You decide to...
A) Attack the Kingdom of Eldrican!
B) Invade the lands of New Parsia!
C) Assault the Kingdom of Rucus!
D) Send a task force into Lametania!
E) Wage war against the pesky Dwarves!
F) Keep the peace, you don't need any wars!
"And to celebrate your ascension, it is highly suggested that you issue an Edict, your Majesty, especially that the imperial authority is quite high. Do you wish to, though?"
A) "AB-SO-LUT-LEEY!"
B) "Eh, let's not."
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:36:47 pm
If we take Rucus, we pretty much have Lametania surrounded. Two for the price of 1.
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 04:37:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:37:08 pm
got to mop up after those Damdamians.
And let's do religion tax for our edict, okay, we can definitely afford to trade a happiness for a money right now.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 04:37:49 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 04:38:30 pm
A It can't hurt to look and see if there is anything new now that Houlandin is Emperor.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:38:44 pm
Eldrican owes us some silver, right?
It does. Which means we can extort them for troops if our wars against a third party start going bad.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 04:39:09 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 04:39:51 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:40:17 pm
It does. Which means we can extort them for troops if our wars against a third party start going bad.Very true, but I'd like to get them even more indebted to us instead so we can diplomatically absorb them.
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 04:40:54 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Damdamian banded together in the face of foreign aggression.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 04:41:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 04:41:41 pm
We actually have a casus belli against the Eldricans, they welched on their deal for the silver. It gives us both a good reason and a clear opportunity, all we need to do is invade slightly into their lands, seize the silvermines which we've basically got the right too, and hold it until they are forced to surrender. It sounds like a quick, easy, and profitable war. We've got good or at least not hostile relationships Rucus right now, so I don't see why so many are happy to go to war against them.
Eldrican owes us some silver, right?
It does. Which means we can extort them for troops if our wars against a third party start going bad.
Why would they do that? They already unilaterally broke one deal and don't seem to care for us.
Post by: ZBridges on March 19, 2018, 04:43:25 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2018, 04:44:56 pm
let's not poke the damdamians.
Also, that statue should be finishing up about now, right?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:45:42 pm
AB
We actually have a casus belli against the Eldricans, they welched on their deal for the silver. It gives us both a good reason and a clear opportunity, all we need to do is invade slightly into their lands, seize the silvermines which we've basically got the right too, and hold it until they are forced to surrender. It sounds like a quick, easy, and profitable war. We've got good or at least not hostile relationships Rucus right now, so I don't see why so many are happy to go to war against them.Eldrican owes us some silver, right?
It does. Which means we can extort them for troops if our wars against a third party start going bad.
Why would they do that? They already unilaterally broke one deal and don't seem to care for us.
They offered us troops to get out of the deal during that last rebellion Cyl put down. They still technically owe us silver, they just said they wont pay for a few years. I don't see why they wouldn't offer Houlandin troops to clear their ledgers.
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 04:46:12 pm
If we let the Damdamians reunite then we'll be waiting generations to get another chance to strike a blow such as this to them! They've always have been a threat so now is that time to assert our strength!
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2018, 04:48:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:50:35 pm
seize the silvermineswhat silver mines?
I don't know why so many people refuse to believe that Eldrican is broke. They had no reason to lie about it...
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:52:01 pm
seize the silvermineswhat silver mines?
I don't know why so many people refuse to believe that Eldrican is broke. They had no reason to lie about it...
Their money issues might be more 'debt to the dwarves' than 'we have no silver left'.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 04:53:44 pm
seize the silvermineswhat silver mines?
I don't know why so many people refuse to believe that Eldrican is broke. They had no reason to lie about it...
Well, they had silver. And we've had no word that they no longer do. He said he's been spending it on the good of the people, not that it is gone. So... Why do you think that there isn't any silver?
Tbh what I'd rather do then any of this is start a concentrated military effort to seize and explore more of orc world. Maybe I should be voting for peace in the hopes that that comes up.
Post by: crazyabe on March 19, 2018, 04:54:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 04:56:18 pm
They offered us a small number of troops in a limp wristed effort to get out of the deal they knew they were going to default on. After we refused they said they weren't going to send us any more silver "in the coming years". I don't see any assurances that it'll come eventually. From what we can see, I don't see any reason to think that they don't already consider their deals cleared... Sure, maybe they'll help, or maybe they'll do as they've already done in this affair and shrug their shoulders and give us nothing.
If that is true, there is nothing stopping us from invading them next.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 04:56:59 pm
Well, they had silver. And we've had no word that they no longer do. He said he's been spending it on the good of the people, not that it is gone. So... Why do you think that there isn't any silver?Because mines decline over time, and I think that "I had to choose to spend it on my people" means "the income isn't enough to support my domestic spending and agreement with you anymore".
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 04:57:37 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2018, 05:05:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 05:08:17 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Establish Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 05:10:36 pm
Still a chance we can absorb Cydwyl peacefully by naming their King heir if our son dies childless. Might as well put it in while our Authority is high.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 19, 2018, 05:10:55 pm
We got a big army we're about to attack a religious enemy (how can they rebel when we're killing their enemies?) and this is the highest authority has been in a long time.
Post by: Taricus on March 19, 2018, 05:13:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2018, 05:17:22 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 05:19:37 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 05:19:56 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 05:20:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 19, 2018, 05:23:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 05:30:20 pm
Although I doubt the Cydwyl scenario is likely, this is something we've complained about since the days of Yoe I. This is possibly the moment of this emperor's highest authority, we can get it over with.
And rebelling over the religious tax is certain to be independent of with whom we war. In fact, the Council of Luathbas ruled officially that the Cult of Damed is not dangerous to Methiant. We even have Damed temples in our territory (the previously rebellious provinces in the south and west, in fact). You think they'll forgive a double whammy?
(From what I can tell Rucus is probably the strongest non-dwarf opponent on the list; they're coming out ahead in the Damdamian civil war rather than weakening. You guys are either brilliant or nuts. And soldiers from Eldrican? Not worth the loan we would be forgiving. Tetan didn't even warn us beforehand about stopping payments: he is no ally of ours but a debtor, and untrustworthy at that. My belated vote is AA.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 05:32:05 pm
I'm not sure we even need to expand primogeniture law to declare a male relative an heir just because he's related through a female line, since it's not totally clear what our current law is as far as I know, but I also don't particularly want to make that guy an heir anyway.
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2018, 05:40:34 pm
You guys are either brilliant or nuts.
Pretty since its the latter, this is a trend since the early days of first SPAMKINGDOM I'm afraid :P
I mean, you guys fed a monarch to a hydra once.
I'm not sure we even need to expand primogeniture law to declare a male relative an heir just because he's related through a female line, since it's not totally clear what our current law is as far as I know, but I also don't particularly want to make that guy an heir anyway.
Current law is 'nearest male relative'. So it's Llewyn, then Eivan, and his son Bjern, then finally Saenn. Female inheritance is restricted and descendants through females not viable, the local trauma against girls goes all the way to the disasterous end days of Luathbas :P
Thus neither King Erik of Cydwyl, nor his brothers or sons, are currently viable.
You decide to establish Religious Tax, to get profits from all this tolerance and proliferation of faiths within the Empire!
An invasion of Kingdom of Rucus is announced to your highest Army officials, so they can prepare an invasion plan in secret.
1155 AD, Spring
Your generals have come up with a plan; it involves moving the Army by the border of Lametania and strike into very middle of Rucus through Eval. This way is the fastest to get there without provoking or outright invading Lametania, but mobilization and deposition of troops there might take a whole month.
A) Let's just invade Lametania on the way there, its faster!
B) Sure thing, that works for me.
C) We need a better plan. How about the mountains?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2018, 05:43:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 19, 2018, 05:44:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 19, 2018, 05:45:23 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 19, 2018, 05:46:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2018, 05:49:41 pm
Also yeah we tried doing the whole Queen thing in the first game but we picked a Horrible time to do it so it ended with the Queen losing the Kingdom and the gaming ending. So yeah I think the nobility are still sore about that since they didn't really want a Queen to rule then either.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2018, 06:54:39 pm
It's past time for Lametania to join our Empire. It's small, currently they are Damdamian appeasers more than our buffer state, at Cyl's imperial coronation we accepted an alliance and they've completely ignored us ever since even when we sent aid against a Damdamian invasion, and we can probably pick up better intelligence about Rucus as we go.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 19, 2018, 09:27:37 pm
Post by: omada on March 19, 2018, 10:31:11 pm
can we organize two teams?
One will take a month with the bulk of our army, they will probably have plenty of time to prepare for that and defend their territory
but our second team will hide in the mountains wreak havoc and force them to move emergency troops to the other side of the country
and hey, houladin suggested together with leath before making a "shadow war" we should do that now again
Post by: Arlos on March 19, 2018, 10:36:02 pm
Post by: omada on March 19, 2018, 10:56:37 pm
I have a feeling Lametania will ally with Rucus...and then they will be smashed too by Cydwyl's army
Post by: Culise on March 19, 2018, 11:05:51 pm
A. My inclination is to invade Lametania and then embark on a broad-front offensive against Rucus, rather than an immediate narrow-front offensive that leaves Lametania untouched and in control of the interior lines all along said army's supply line.
Post by: Baffler on March 19, 2018, 11:24:19 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 20, 2018, 12:15:42 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 20, 2018, 12:21:11 am
Post by: Haspen on March 20, 2018, 12:58:08 am
The Marshal salutes.
"Shall you lead our Army on this invasion, Emperor??"
A) "Obviously!"
B) "Sorry, I have duties in the capital."
Post by: ZBridges on March 20, 2018, 01:06:29 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 20, 2018, 01:17:18 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 20, 2018, 01:26:06 am
A
Remember that we do not want to get into close combat if we have the choice.
Post by: Rockeater on March 20, 2018, 01:36:09 am
We had the longest reigning Emperor, why not now the shortest!I guess it happens in the past
A
Remember that we do not want to get into close combat if we have the choice.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 20, 2018, 02:02:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 20, 2018, 02:15:54 am
Post by: helmacon on March 20, 2018, 03:58:44 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 20, 2018, 08:04:52 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 20, 2018, 08:13:01 am
Post by: Haspen on March 20, 2018, 10:20:56 am
1155 AD, Mid-Spring
Just as the Army is ready to go, you receive a report from Donuth; the Albionese Princess has been delayed by flooding and the wedding needs to be postponed till Late Spring.
A) The court can oversee the proceedings, I have a war to wage!
B) Fine then, we can postpone the fighting for this occassion.
Post by: crazyabe on March 20, 2018, 10:29:39 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 20, 2018, 10:30:55 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 20, 2018, 10:35:51 am
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 20, 2018, 10:40:08 am
Come on, we can wait for a bit, it's no big deal.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 20, 2018, 10:49:58 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 20, 2018, 10:59:56 am
Post by: Kashyyk on March 20, 2018, 11:05:14 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 20, 2018, 11:19:44 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 20, 2018, 12:06:07 pm
Post by: Imic on March 20, 2018, 12:31:00 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 20, 2018, 01:35:27 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 20, 2018, 02:04:52 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 20, 2018, 06:00:24 pm
We already declared the war to our court. If we delay, It's likely word will get back to them, and they will have time to find allies and raise an emergency army.
Post by: Prophet on March 20, 2018, 06:46:38 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 20, 2018, 07:40:09 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 20, 2018, 07:44:41 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 20, 2018, 07:47:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 21, 2018, 01:15:37 am
1155 AD, Late Spring
Herta arrives at the capital and the wedding occurs! The bride has twenty one winters under her belt, is taller even than you, has very white skin and flock of pale blonde hair, bordering on white you could swear, and her bosom is moderately large, but she's got legs, as far as you can tell.
Llewyn is not sure what to make of the girl, but next day he complains of tiredness and loinache. Bedchamber maids report that compared to him, Herta looks fine and full of energy. She seems also very interested in the books in the royal library, as well as ponies in the palatial stables, and also the local embroidery and fabrics knitted by the matrons.
But enough of family matters. Entrusting Llewyn with his new family, and the court with matters of the state, you leave with the Army!
Congratulations! Houlandin I embarks on a military campaign!
As the Army nears Lametania by the next week, your officers wonder about the strategic plan.
A) Besiege some border forts to tie them up, then march for the capital!
B) We roll through their backyard a bit to draw them out into the field!
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 21, 2018, 01:24:15 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 21, 2018, 01:35:45 am
Post by: helmacon on March 21, 2018, 01:41:47 am
We are much bigger than them. We can afford to roll the country.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 21, 2018, 01:44:52 am
We are much bigger than them. We can afford to roll the country.
Not necessarily true - as a kingdom they can also have Army values approaching or equal to 10. If we had 11 or 12, then I'd tend to agree with you.
As such, A!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2018, 02:07:25 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 21, 2018, 02:44:22 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2018, 03:00:20 am
We are much bigger than them. We can afford to roll the country.Not necessarily true - as a kingdom they can also have Army values approaching or equal to 10. If we had 11 or 12, then I'd tend to agree with you.
Actually, it just dawned on me, we are likely running into battle with a +4 before taking size and opposing strengths into account. (+2 Martial, +1 Fireblood Weapons, +1??? Codex Training Edict) I'm not going to change my vote, but I think we can afford to play very aggressively. We should be able to fight through a size disadvantage unless the enemy has other factors going for them.
Herta looks fine and full of energy. She seems also very interested in the books in the royal library, as well as ponies in the palatial stables, and also the local embroidery and fabrics knitted by the matrons.
I can't tell if our new daughter-in-law is Healthy or Wise. I'm hoping for healthy myself, as I'd like Llewyn to have a decent sized batch of heirs before we risk sending him on dangerous diplomacy missions.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 21, 2018, 08:07:56 am
A
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 11:32:16 am
Post by: Haspen on March 21, 2018, 11:37:47 am
Three large and surely important enough keeps are attacked and besieged in a span of the week. Your raiders are terrorizing the populace while scouts are making inroads into the deeper territory of Lametania.
1155 AD, Summer
News from the royal chambers! You've become an uncle once again; Bjeda, wife of Eivan, gave birth to a boy, whom she named 'Hain'.
Just as your forces march into Lametanian heartlands almost unopposed, scouts return; a sizeable army is marching against you! The scouts weren't able to count them up properly, but there's at least ten thousand of the bunch. What's more important is that, besides the flag of Lametania, some battalions march under the banner of Kingdom of Rucus, and some even under the Imperial Banner of Damdamia, too (plus several instances of banners your scouts do not recognize)!
Two thirds of the army is comprised of footmen, of which half is crossbowmen and archers, and the remainder is some heavily armored cavalrymen. Numerous supply wagons were spotted, along with some Fireblood machines. They didn't seem to be any Methiantese design, although they were sleek and of smaller size, like Thundercats. Your officers assume these are anti-infantry weapons rather than siege ones.
This combined army is just a day south of your current position and is on direct course to intercept you. You have almost one-and-half numerical advantage over them, but who knows what they might have up their sleeves?
A) We will fight in the open field, where our numbers and skill will crush them!
B) We ought to find and/or prepare defensive positions, and await their coming.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2018, 11:42:59 am
A
Edit: Also, even though we gave them an extra month, the fact that they were able to source so much foreign help is a bit worrying. Methinks they might have some spies in our court.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 21, 2018, 11:53:07 am
Post by: helmacon on March 21, 2018, 12:01:57 pm
It should make it easier to roll Rucus after this though, if their army is already here.
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 12:20:00 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 21, 2018, 12:32:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 21, 2018, 12:33:49 pm
Well here's hopin' that our Grandchildren pick up their mother's strength and size. *Prophet jots down a note to possibly begin breeding with Albion people more in order to make a line of giant kings*
Post by: Haspen on March 21, 2018, 01:00:36 pm
As the sun begins its descent towards the horizon from the highest point on the sky, your forward troops report dust and banners of Lametanians and Damdamians before you! The two armies finally meet!
Though the enemy does not advance beyond a certain point and you stop your troops as well, aware of a trap in progress. Instead, one rider, in full armor but without decorations, rides forth toward your battle lines. His voice, demanding to meet with you, is heard above the lines clearly.
"I am Damotinian, messenger of Crown Prince Lupus Onigirus Rucus! He asks, by which right, divine or royal, dare you and your soldiers invade the peaceful soil of Rucusian ally, friend and fellow child of Damed, Lametania! If idle conquest and plunder is what you are trying to accomplish, you might as well dismiss me, for Crown Prince will not let this happen!"
A) "Away with you, then!"
B) (come up with something here)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 21, 2018, 01:08:52 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 21, 2018, 01:15:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 21, 2018, 01:21:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2018, 01:23:27 pm
So, why do we hate Lametania again?
We don't. Some genius voted to decide that the best way to Invade Rucus would be to march through Lamentania. I think they have hated us ever since Cyl got a natural 1 when offering to trade them the lands of Eval for their fealty though.
Also, as a side note, I think the rulers of Lamentia are the last remaining members of the previous Spamkingdom bloodline, so hopefully we don't have to butcher the whole family.
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B: "By right of religious freedom! The gods have fragmented your empire to protect their worshipers in the north, and I would be a fool not to take the opportunity to weaken it further! Tell your Prince that I am only marching through Lamentania, and that I seek to bring religious liberty to his lands! If the empire reforms, Rucus will not be part of it!"
Actually, the Oath Breaker thing is a more legitimate gripe.
B: "My father let the royals of Lamentia get away with Oath Breaking! [Explain the issue with the promised and withheld alliance and princess] I must show the world that it cannot expect such leniency from me!"
^ That is less likely to reunite the entire empire against us just yet.
Post by: Rockeater on March 21, 2018, 01:26:10 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 01:44:17 pm
It work even better because our line is known to be a bunch of stubborn fuckers who hold grudge even more than dwarves do.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 21, 2018, 01:46:20 pm
B: "My father let the royals of Lamentia get away with Oath Breaking! [Explain the issue with the promised and withheld alliance and princess] I must show the world that it cannot expect such leniency from me!"
^ That is less likely to reunite the entire empire against us just yet.
B ^ Yeah, that.
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We don't. Some genius voted to decide that the best way to Invade Rucus would be to march through Lamentania.
I for one don't understand why there was a plan to go around Lametania in the first place. "Two for one" I think the line was, seemingly not worried that Lametania could strike anywhere on our considerable border in support of their ally while the army is tied up with Damdamians. But then, I don't understand the lingering hostility against the Damdamians (I wasn't around for the first game). Our dealings in this dynasty have been largely neutral or even beneficial (when the Margrave of Ysirene yielded the Ceodwellian gold mines without a fight for our tired soldiers, comes to mind).
Post by: omada on March 21, 2018, 01:47:35 pm
3 votes
Post by: Rockeater on March 21, 2018, 01:51:38 pm
4 votes
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 21, 2018, 01:55:34 pm
5 votes
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 21, 2018, 02:02:31 pm
6 votes
Post by: Prophet on March 21, 2018, 03:11:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 21, 2018, 03:20:35 pm
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You shout some absurd mix about oath-breaking and protection of religious freedoms of people you conquer and subjugate. The envoy laughs.
"As our King suspected, just another opportunistic campaign by the Methiantese, thinly-veiled with excuses. My mission was a waste of time, it seems. Well, I wish you good fighting, Emperor!" The messenger turns his horse around and speeds to his master's lines, no doubt to relay that your true goal is yet another conquest.
The trumpets and horns blare the sound of war, and the armies clash!
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The initial bombardment and subsequent melee goes well for the Methiant Army, however! The sound of clashing metal sweetly mixes with screams of agony. The ranks grind down their opponents in massive bloodshed.
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Then your forces gain momentum and begin pushing into the center of enemy formation, but the Crown Prince, no doubt leading the forces, decides to let his cavalry fly against your flank!
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It shatters pretty easily! Either the heavy cavalry is too heavy for your troops or maybe there were some untrained recruits there, but the Lametanian horsemen struck a wedge into your otherwise well-arrayed forces.
You decide to...
A) Help the fighting there by leading your guards personally into the fray!
B) Rearrange some troops to plug the hole and repel the attackers.
C) Shift your forces and try to repay the Crown Prince with a wedge of your own!
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 03:21:36 pm
B: "My father let the royals of Lamentania get away with Oath Breaking! [Explain the issue with the promised and withheld alliance and princess] I must show the world that it cannot expect such leniency from me!" Well might as well let them know. I'm changing my vote to this. I mean you'd think people would just realize that our entire dynasty is always going to be made of stubborn grudge bearers but nope it's "Hah! We totally just broke our word! They'll never come around for revenge! Obviously these people don't have a history of keeping grudges!" I mean come on! We've been kicking people's teeth in over our honor for generations now! Learn the lesson!
When even the High king if the Dwarf acknowledges our Dynasty as stubborn, you should really not be slighting us, Almost everyone around us got bitten by this...
Those stout guy must be shaking their head at the silly Humans in Lametania.
Speaking of Grudge, I haven’t forgotten you Elves, you think you can just take back Gifts once given? *stare* we need a book to record those things, let’s Ask the Dwarf to make one...
Post by: Rockeater on March 21, 2018, 03:25:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 21, 2018, 03:33:00 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 21, 2018, 03:34:50 pm
The Dwarves have their gold and the Methiantese have Honor! Surely none can claim the same pride as our nation! We shall not let the dignity of our people be mocked by these southern swine! Those dishonorable lying scum who would claim innocence when it was their ancestors who ruthlessly tore through our homeland centuries ago!
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 21, 2018, 03:36:28 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 03:43:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 21, 2018, 03:46:25 pm
Honor!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2018, 04:49:54 pm
When even the High king if the Dwarf acknowledges our Dynasty as stubborn, you should really not be slighting us, Almost everyone around us got bitten by this...
Those stout guy must be shaking their head at the silly Humans in Lametania.
Speaking of Grudge, I haven’t forgotten you Elves, you think you can just take back Gifts once given? *stare* we need a book to record those things, let’s Ask the Dwarf to make one...
To be fair, we need to go through those bastards who skimped on the silver deal first, as they happen to sit between us and the elves geographically. And I'm actually tempted to be somewhat lenient towards them, we share too much blood with them to declare their whole bloodline to be vile oathbreakers.
If we want to strike the Elves, we should offer to forgive the debt of the Elircan Kingdom in exchange for a chunk of the Kahnite Lands, which we can use as a staging area for our glorious revenge!
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As for the current situation, B.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 21, 2018, 05:04:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 21, 2018, 05:07:42 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 21, 2018, 05:15:30 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 05:16:07 pm
To be fair, we need to go through those bastards who skimped on the silver deal first, as they happen to sit between us and the elves geographically. And I'm actually tempted to be somewhat lenient towards them, we share too much blood with them to declare their whole bloodline to be vile oathbreakers.
If we want to strike the Elves, we should offer to forgive the debt of the Elircan Kingdom in exchange for a chunk of the Kahnite Lands, which we can use as a staging area for our glorious revenge!
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As for the current situation, B.
Well, they had a reason to skimpe on Payment so we will see, we did make them pay hard for their prior treachery... though having them let our army throuh so that we can burn down the Oathbreaking Elves forest sounds like a good idea, wathever happens to the elven ancestor of Luathbas anyways?
I still hold a Grudge for that one time Cydwil bailed out on us against the Dwarves, though I know it’s not a shared grudge...
B
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 21, 2018, 05:28:55 pm
I still hold a Grudge for that one time Cydwil bailed out on us against the Dwarves, though I know it’s not a shared grudge...But we won against Cydwyl. The
Post by: Arlos on March 21, 2018, 05:52:53 pm
But we won against Cydwyl. The guy who did that is long dead and the current king of Cydwyl is our nephew.
Yeah I know, but I remember that time they pulled out of the war without saying anything after we helped them a lot by sending money and helping conquer the kingdom to the North...
Now I am hoping we eat them through a Dynastic Union :3
Post by: mightymushroom on March 21, 2018, 06:14:19 pm
2) Tetan I never said he didn't have our silver. He said he preferred to spend it elsewhere rather than paying us. Any scenario about failing mines or bribing dwarves or really anything is speculation and not confirmed. If he had fair reasons, why didn't he use them to renegotiate? (In addition, I believe the agreement was technically for half the yearly silver output. If the mines are indeed failing then we should still get a share; if played out completely he has no reason to hide it from us.)
3) As for the Elves, it was clear at the presentation that these were rewards as much as gifts. When we no longer held to the conditions by which we obtained it, then we also lost the reward. You want them back? Attacking the Dwarves is closer and possibly easier. (Remember, these sides are locked in perpetual animosity. I have no reason to think the elves are any less strong as an opponent.)
Post by: omada on March 21, 2018, 07:59:06 pm
When even the High king if the Dwarf acknowledges our Dynasty as stubborn, you should really not be slighting us, Almost everyone around us got bitten by this...
Those stout guy must be shaking their head at the silly Humans in Lametania.
Speaking of Grudge, I haven’t forgotten you Elves, you think you can just take back Gifts once given? *stare* we need a book to record those things, let’s Ask the Dwarf to make one...
The book of grudge, made with the body part of enemies, write a name in it and your enemies will not sleep and live in fear that you will be kicking it's door
The book of the contract: forces the other part to keep it's promises, if the contract is broken the book will attract bad luck and a Methianthese army to the infrator, bad luck and the army will only stop coming with heavy payment
Post by: Baffler on March 21, 2018, 10:39:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 22, 2018, 01:05:38 am
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Your troops, drilled by instructors beforehand and captained by you at the moment, pull this off flawlessly, and even manage to break apart the cavalry wedge of the Damdamians!
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Over the course of next hour, your troops are slowly, but messily, gaining ground against the enemy!
But as the sky turns orange and numbers on both sides dwindle, you hear the horns of the enemy; a large cavalry group has just arrived on the battlefield from the south!
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While not enough to render your numerical advantage nil, the tide is turned, and its your soldiers that are now losing ground they claimed before.
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And there we go; the enemy is now pushing into your lines. Thousands of corpses already litter the battlefield, and your officers are talking about retreating, or at least, conceding the fight for the night time, as the sun is now but a small slice peeking above the horizon.
A) We shall continue fighting under the benevolent shine of the full moon!
B) Fine, some rest is required. We ought to be gentlemen and ask the Damdamians of the same.
C) Retreat then! We will pick a fight at better terrain and better time of day.
Post by: helmacon on March 22, 2018, 01:20:21 am
This is what our training is for. We can go longer for them.
Numerically, I suspect it's about as we started again. We pushed way ahead with those 6's at the start. Now they have a few reserves brought in. It should be back to square 1.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 22, 2018, 01:33:52 am
A
This is what our training is for. We can go longer for them.
Numerically, I suspect it's about as we started again. We pushed way ahead with those 6's at the start. Now they have a few reserves brought in. It should be back to square 1.
Indeed. A
Post by: milo christiansen on March 22, 2018, 01:55:22 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 22, 2018, 07:32:16 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 22, 2018, 08:34:20 am
Not because of this battle, but because these Damdamians are the sort who send a messenger to talk things out (sort of) before hand. They play by rules of engagement: they will respect us better if we do the same but scorn us if we do not. Even if we are able to push through to take part or all of Rucus, I doubt we have enough troops to snap up the Empire in one swoop. We will need a peace sometime.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 22, 2018, 08:47:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 22, 2018, 09:13:40 am
I know this war is silly and all but how many rolls do you need to declare a battle one way or another, holy shit.
Post by: Baffler on March 22, 2018, 10:52:22 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 22, 2018, 11:01:23 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 22, 2018, 11:20:21 am
Eeh... This whole campaign seems like it might have turned out to be a mess already. >.<
Post by: crazyabe on March 22, 2018, 12:43:01 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 22, 2018, 02:20:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 22, 2018, 02:23:42 pm
You decide to rest for the night. But will the messenger to the Damdamians succeed in signing a truce?
He returns as darkness falls; soon war horns are heard, calling for retreat. So you can sleep.
By you're woken in the early morning by the war horns of Damdamians! They've begun their fighting when it is still pretty dark outside!
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The initial attack by their coalition forces is stopped, however, and you can muster a counterattack of your own!
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It penetrates deep into their ranks! The center is collapsing, but then you see the banner of Kingdom of Rucus amongst some horsemen that are charging into the thickest combat! Is it mayhaps the Crown Prince himself, leading his men??
A) CHAAAARRRRRGGGEEE!!!
B) I'm sure my soldiers will withstand this attack as well!
Post by: Taricus on March 22, 2018, 02:25:42 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 22, 2018, 02:26:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 22, 2018, 02:29:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 22, 2018, 02:31:23 pm
1: Our one-eye debuff means we have bad odds against another Martial opponent
2: We have already won two duels (against that prince from Eval and our own damn brother). I'd rather not wind up stuck with a mostly useless 'The Duelist' sort of title.
B
Post by: Rockeater on March 22, 2018, 02:33:32 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 22, 2018, 02:36:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 22, 2018, 02:46:58 pm
You lead your guards and officers into the advancing cavalry of the Damdamians!
The fighting is intense, and the helmeted man with the banner yells at your direction once your forces get close to him. He wears a decorated suit of armor and a cape made of luxurious material. If that is not Crown Prince, then you must've underestimated their fashion sense!
The horses gallop and you two clash in melee!
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With powerful swing to his side, you dent his shield, which he discards! The man yells and then turns his horse so that your swords can meet one on one!
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But then he manages to strike you in the abdomen. You feel the terrible sting of steel burning your flesh.
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The melee continues and the man seems furious that even with your wound, you're putting up such a fight! In a moment of anger, he slips in his defense, and you strike at his dominant hand, cutting through the gauntlet protecting him! He disengages momentarily from the combat. Both of your horses circle each other as you see him switch the weapon to his other hand, the one that held his sword previously red with blood.
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As the melee continues however, you feel your wound giving you even more pain. That proves to be your undoing, as Lupus then strikes you across the chest. It doesn't kill you, but you curse loudly as the world spins you fall from your horse!
You manage to stand up, and after your head clears a bit you see the Crown Prince preparing his horse to rush you! What's worse, it seems that your guards were either killed, distracted, or fled after you were dismounted.
A) Run away! Run away!
B) CHAAAARRRGGEE!
C) Demand he fights like a man!
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Post by: Weirdsound on March 22, 2018, 02:51:59 pm
Might as well C. No point living as a coward.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 22, 2018, 02:52:26 pm
B,Is it common here to send our king into battle?
Fairly common for SPAM kings, yes. We are nothing if not bold in our choices, and it works better than you might think given the clear risk of death. A good rally charge can turn the tide, that's why whatsizname is trying one. Although the one-eyed malus makes it less straightforward for us.
I'm not sure how the count ended up on this path, but...
(Edit: oh, Zbridges changed votes late. It may not have been seen prior.)
C
Let's see if we can avoid a further malus for mounted vs. dismounted.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 22, 2018, 02:53:29 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 22, 2018, 03:07:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 22, 2018, 03:11:04 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 22, 2018, 03:14:32 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 22, 2018, 07:30:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 22, 2018, 07:32:13 pm
C
Post by: helmacon on March 22, 2018, 07:34:32 pm
For Death and Glory, like the Houlandins' of old!
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 22, 2018, 09:45:45 pm
Why....
B I guess, time to die.
Post by: omada on March 22, 2018, 10:10:15 pm
(although if we win against a horse we will be double the badass)
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 22, 2018, 10:36:59 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 22, 2018, 11:09:41 pm
Welp.
Post by: Haspen on March 23, 2018, 11:22:54 am
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He does just that! You two can now fight at almost equal terms!
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It doesn't go for long before he manages to plunge his sword into your abdomen. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeZL2R9jDJM&feature=youtu.be&t=1h23m59s)
The world spins before you fall onto your back. Choking on your blood, you breathe your last as the sky turns black, forever.
1155 AD, Midsummer
You're Llewyn, son of Houlandin I!
You receive disasterous news from Lametania; your father has been slain on the field of battle and Methiantese Army, deprived of his skilled leadership, has been routed. It's numbers were reduced to eight thousand, but reports come that they're pursued by the victorious Damdamian-Lametanian forces. What's even more worrying is that a smaller force of four thousand has entered Eval, bringing supplies and stirring up uprising amongst Evalian nationalists!
You're hastily crowned Emperor, and you decide to take upon the name of Houlandin II to honor the courage of your fallen father.
With no time for usual celebratory ascension feast, an emergency council is held and several things must be decided upon!
As for the course of the war...
A) We ought to begin negotiations with the southerners, lest they destroy us!
B) We continue fighting!
As for leadership in the war...
A) The Army will have to do without a Yoean leader this time.
B) I will go and lead them personally, like my father did!
As for potential reinforcements...
A) Emergency mobilization will do.
B) We ought to mobilize the populace and call upon Cydwylians to provide help!
C) We ain't in need of those yet.
D) It's time for us to call upon terms of the treaty and ask Kingdom of Cydwyl to help us.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 23, 2018, 11:25:48 am
What a surprise.
Oh no.
Post by: Arlos on March 23, 2018, 11:33:26 am
BAB
Can’t we send Cyl as a General?
Post by: Rockeater on March 23, 2018, 11:36:56 am
Post by: Criptfeind on March 23, 2018, 11:38:44 am
BBB, they need a leader
They really don't. It's way worse to be in a battle personally, just because the way they work. More rolls equals more bad during wars, because good rolls help a little and bad rolls totally fuck us. The fact that as a Charismatic we don't add anything to the rolls makes it a really really bad idea for this character to go to war.
Post by: Arlos on March 23, 2018, 11:41:38 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 23, 2018, 11:42:32 am
Post by: omada on March 23, 2018, 12:03:54 pm
BAB
Post by: Kashyyk on March 23, 2018, 12:15:53 pm
AAB
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 23, 2018, 12:29:26 pm
Anyway we gotta talk to these fellas and make it clear that terrible mistakes were made and most of the people responsible have been killed or, with luck, soon will be. Give 'em generous reparations for declaring war without a casus belli and tell 'em we're not gonna do it again before they fucking murder us all.
AAB!
Post by: Criptfeind on March 23, 2018, 12:39:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 23, 2018, 01:06:50 pm
AAB
Best to get out of this situation quick. Attacking the south was clearly not the way to go.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 23, 2018, 01:10:53 pm
We shouldn't even care about the real world honestly, not when there's a complete world of filled with easily conquered barbarians under the mountains
Post by: Prophet on March 23, 2018, 01:13:37 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 23, 2018, 02:50:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 23, 2018, 03:23:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 23, 2018, 03:41:25 pm
Of the whole list of targets Houlandin I picked on the biggest, most martial opponent around. How could that have gone wrong?
Let's not repeat the folly while outnumbered; we still have to re-re-retake Eval. We don't have the martial bonus for our army but we do have the charismatic bonus to making treaties.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 23, 2018, 03:51:18 pm
Eval is a rebellious territory with no real resources. If we can buy peace for Eval, I'd take the deal.
Post by: ZBridges on March 23, 2018, 04:01:55 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 23, 2018, 04:19:03 pm
Not sure I want to bring in Cydwyl on the terms of "HELP WE FUCKED UP" just yet.
Well, it's good to see Houlandin dead, at least; martial kings never last here because everyone always insists on trotting them out for every engagement until the luck wears out. Plus there's that whole "refuses to have backup sons" thing. Llewyn is good and charismatic and can continue the ongoing business of Queen-Victoria-ing everybody into peaceful unification.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 23, 2018, 04:20:34 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 23, 2018, 05:07:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 23, 2018, 07:48:33 pm
bbb
aab aab aab aab aab aab
aad
aaa
You decide to mobilize the populace and call Cydwyl for help!
Two weeks later, the hastily mobilized recruits join forces with the leftovers, plus some fresh troops, and battle the Damdamians.
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They push their forces out of Methiant! But casualties were plenty, and your forces bounced back to safer location to regroup, while the enemy is camping inside Lametanian borders.
1155 AD, Late Summer
No response from Cydwyl yet.
Agents of the Spymaster bring news from Eval; apparently, the Damdamians wanted the Evalians to rebel and later join back with Lametanians, which didn't quite sit well with Evalians. Apparently, the Damdamians are now fighting to capture strategic keeps while Evalians are keeping them at bay.
Report comes from borderlands; the enemy is on the move again, and is going to step into Methiant by the Ironbone Mountains within days.
A) We gotta split the forces to help the brave Evalians but also to protect the mainland!
B) The Evalians brought it upon themselves, we need to protect ourselves in the meanwhile.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 23, 2018, 08:05:40 pm
B
I hate to leave Eval in the lurch, but without the Cydwyllians we don't have enough troops to split up.
Post by: Prophet on March 23, 2018, 08:08:51 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 23, 2018, 08:11:21 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 23, 2018, 08:13:49 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 23, 2018, 09:25:52 pm
B the military will be low on next year report
For sure, this was just a waste.
B.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 23, 2018, 09:49:36 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 23, 2018, 10:48:04 pm
The asterisk says 4-2, but the roll says 4...shhh dont say anything
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 03:57:10 am
The asterisk says 4-2, but the roll says 4...
Oooh, nice catch.
/me le fixes.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 04:16:43 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 07:02:08 am
We need numbers to hold/slow him as long as possible and hope reinforcements arrive in time.
I still think we ought to have an option to negotiate at this juncture. The expedition lost, they pursued, we stood our ground at our border. Time to declare a peace: everybody back to where you were only without Houlandin I, who apparently became mad with power and bloodlust after living in his father's shadow for so long.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 07:13:08 am
Unless we protect core Methiant what good will defending Eval do?
We need numbers to hold/slow him as long as possible and hope reinforcements arrive in time.
I still think we ought to have an option to negotiate at this juncture. The expedition lost, they pursued, we stood our ground at our border. Time to declare a peace: everybody back to where you were only without Houlandin I, who apparently became mad with power and bloodlust after living in his father's shadow for so long.
I don't think they're out to annex Methiant as they are in Eval's case, just to kick our asses hard enough to give us no other choice but to give Eval up. We are going to lose this fight, but since the Crown Prince can't be in two places at once unless some serious GM bullshit is thrown our way, the Evalian prong of the campaign is still in play, and if they don't manage to grab Eval in the process we might get away with not handing it over to them.
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 10:08:07 am
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Once again, the Lametanians are beaten back! There has been casualties amongst your men of course, quite a few indeed, and your officers aren't sure they can mantain equal fighting against the enemy.
A week later, report from the north; the Cydwyl forces are here! Eight thousand soldiers have arrived, a third of them mounted. They're led by some generals and officers, but no one from the royal family arrived to help. The officers mention however that another three thousand could be mustered by King Erik, if needed, but that will take some time.
As for the course of war...
A) Now we have enough men to split our forces between Eval and Methiant!
B) Onwards, into Lametania, to crush the enemy!
C) Maybe we should negotiate.
As for extra reinforcements...
A) Sure, the more the merrier!
B) Nah, let's keep them for later.
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 10:10:33 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 10:11:08 am
fucking negotiate already oh my god
Post by: Weirdsound on March 24, 2018, 10:30:31 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 10:36:05 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 10:41:22 am
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2018, 10:45:51 am
I simply don’t understand how those guys works, they shouldn’t be able to do one tenth of what they are doing right now, Rucus and the Damdamians should have pulled back long to get back to their civil war or because of economical collapse and we absolutely shouldn’t be in numerical inferiority when they cut their Armies in two to deal with Evalian they had 11 thousands men in the battle against Houlandin and they lost a lot of men in this battle, we had 8000 mens before we sent reinforcemen, they cut their Armies to deal with the Evalians... I just... what the hell is wrong with this? It make zero sense...
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 11:02:33 am
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2018, 11:06:26 am
It's two kingdoms fighting us, each with a well-equipped army, plus what seem like coalition forces involved. Makes sense they'd have a lot of troops to throw in our direction.One of them is still in a civil war you know :/
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 11:08:07 am
1155 AD, Autumn
A Damdanian envoy with several guards have arrrived to discuss with you the course of this 'senseless' war. But then one of your aides leans near and whispers that the Spymaster has a report about Eval.
A) Internal reports are most valuable.
B) Politics must be done first.
It's two kingdoms fighting us, each with a well-equipped army, plus what seem like coalition forces involved. Makes sense they'd have a lot of troops to throw in our direction.One of them is still in a civil war you know :/
Neither Rucus nor Lametania is suffering any civil wars at the moment, dunno where you getting at :v
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 24, 2018, 11:10:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 11:14:15 am
"Sir, we have discovered rumors that Eval may harbor nationalistic separatist sentiment and that this may pose some problems with regard to their overall obedience to the Empire's authority."
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2018, 11:20:30 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 24, 2018, 11:21:45 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 11:24:46 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 12:25:17 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 24, 2018, 12:46:27 pm
A
"Sir, we have discovered rumors that Eval may harbor nationalistic separatist sentiment and that this may pose some problems with regard to their overall obedience to the Empire's authority."
That's too good for the spymaster.
I'm guessing something more like "Sir, we have word that two or more powerful nations in the area might have some sort of hostilities with each other. We're working on tracking down exactly what nations these might be and how hostile they actually are with each other."
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 01:47:24 pm
Post by: omada on March 24, 2018, 01:57:08 pm
when talking with damdamians we should try to convince their diplomats that the first one was an idiot (or our father wasn't the best with the words) and was giving wrong info to their troops, or just cover that they are meddling with a casus bellis where they weren't invited
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 02:02:10 pm
In the side corridor, he leans to your ear.
"Sire, the Evalians have managed to rout the Damdamian force that tried to establish themselves in that region, causing them thousands of casualties and capturing lots of supplies and even few dozen Fireblood machines. They are currently chasing some wayward Lametanian raider groups across the countryside of their province. My agents met with these Evalian 'patriots'; they expect to be rewarded for their efforts with independence or autonomy of some sort."
"Is that all?"
He nods, and with knowledge that Damdamians lost one of their objectives, you return to the audience room and let the diplomat in along with his dozen of guards.
"Emperor Houlandin II!" He begins with angry tone. "Your father has begun, and you are continuing, an unlawful and barbaric assault upon the fatherland of our friends, Lametanians. We possess advantage both in numbers, supplies and weaponry. But the casualties are mounting, and they include the previous Emperor of Methiant. Therefore, Crown Prince Lupus Onigirus Rucus offers a treaty, which copy I've brought to you." He takes out a scroll from beneath his robes and unfolds it.
"The Emperor of Methiant will issue formal apology to the peoples of Rucus and Lametania for causing this war. Empire of Methiant will send its yearly quantity of silver and gemstones to repay the peoples of Rucus and Lametania for their lost sons and fathers. Furthermore, the province of Eval will be released from Methiantese Empire, allowing peoples of Eval to choose whether they will remain a separate nation or if they shall return to Kingdom of Lametania." He folds the scroll and looks at you.
"Crown Prince however has noted certain 'qualities' of Methiantese leaders both modern and previous, and therefore I was given the right to negotiate on the Prince's behalf."
You decide to...
A) Accept all these conditions, as they're somewhat generous.
B) Attempt to negotiate some better deal. After all, they expect us to!
C) Throw the insolent diplomat into the dungeon and resume the war.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 02:08:16 pm
Should definitely reward the Evalians though, they've done good. Maybe upgrade them to vassal status or something.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 02:13:44 pm
B
Actually, we can use the Evalian autonomy thing, since it looks like we'd be doing that anyway for our friends the "patriots." If we're quick we can get something from both sides on that count.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 02:26:01 pm
Should definitely reward the Evalians though, they've done good. Maybe upgrade them to vassal status or something.
Yeah, they get to be an imperial client state rather than a direct territory after this. We still rule, but they get some more wiggle room for local laws and such.
Anyway, B, certainly NOT A
Post by: helmacon on March 24, 2018, 02:27:21 pm
May go c if they don't move well.
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 02:31:14 pm
Not A, Maybe C later
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 02:37:03 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 24, 2018, 02:40:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 02:42:11 pm
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After many minutes of negotiating, haggling, persuading and attempting to find common ground, the diplomat nods.
"It is as the Crown Prince predicted. Very well then. You will give Evalians a degree of autonomy they desire, and issue a formal apology to the courts of Lametania and Rucus, Emperor."
A) Let's try to get an even better deal!
B) This won't do after all. Begone!
C) Alrighty then, time to sign the treaty.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 24, 2018, 02:44:16 pm
We're already gonna do something like that for Eval, and the apology costs us nothing.
Edit: misread the options
Post by: Taricus on March 24, 2018, 02:45:27 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 24, 2018, 02:45:51 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 24, 2018, 02:47:00 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on March 24, 2018, 02:48:00 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 24, 2018, 02:49:47 pm
Sounds good to me.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 24, 2018, 02:53:08 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 02:54:38 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 02:56:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 02:56:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 03:02:00 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 03:06:30 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 03:08:18 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 24, 2018, 03:18:41 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 24, 2018, 03:22:57 pm
Oh what a bitter fight. But at least it ended in a reasonable manner. Maybe we should turn our focus to more domestic achievements with this Emperor.
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 03:33:54 pm
Three copies are made; one for Methiant, one for Lametanians, and one for Kingdom of Rucus. Along with the copies, the southerners receive letters of apology, written and signed personally by yourself.
1155 AD, Mid-Autumn
Fighting is over, and the soldiers return to rest from the bloody conflict. Forces from Cydwyl are sent back home, along with letter of thanks for honoring the treaty.
A delegation from Eval arrives; some thrice-removed cousins of purged nobles are ready to become your vassals, thus gaining autonomy in laws and territorial authority of certain degree.
A) Ha, fools! Throw them into dungeon and send the Army to purge Eval once and for all!
B) Vassals? No no no, you misunderstood, I'm only lessening few restrictions on their peoples.
C) And they better be compliant and faithful vassals, because otherwise they will suffer.
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 03:35:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 03:35:53 pm
Aw yeah, finally they'll send us tribute and become a net positive in our cashflow. And they're legally obligated to contribute an entirely separate army to our war efforts. And if they turn out to be as good at this as Estwalf of Tven, maybe they'll be a Grand Duchy of Eval and Lametania yet.
Oh what a bitter fight. But at least it ended in a reasonable manner. Maybe we should turn our focus to more domestic achievements with this Emperor.
Or at least accept that the Marshal is at least as much of an idiot as the Spymaster and we should literally never listen to him again.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 03:36:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 03:38:14 pm
Also yeah I'm hoping for a long and peaceful reign with Houlandin II. I think our Empire needs a long peace to strengthen and consolidate itself.
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 03:49:42 pm
They leave the palace with the treaty of vassalage in their hands.
1155 AD, Winter
Gemstones arrive in the Treasury.
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Silver miners managed to fill half the quota, and an optimistic report arrives from their manager; he believes that draining of the flooded tunnels, barring any further disasters, shouldn't take more than one more year.
Glassware provides some profits, and the quality of the crafts brightens the mood of Methiantese craftsmen, merchants and noblemen alike!
Few days later, as you're convening with your courtiers about some less than important business, you suddenly hear a crash, some shouting, and sounds of a beating. Nobles curiously peek through windows, and few minutes later, the Captain of Shadowranks arrives with several of his men, dragging a beaten up, bloodied man with them. He can't be more than twenty five years old, and has somewhat charismatic aura about him. Of course, he would look better if not all this... battle damage he suffered.
"Sire, this man attempted to scale the wall of the palace and jump into this very room! My men shot him in the leg, beaten him up and dragged him here before your judgement!" The youth has, indeed, been thoroughly beaten. The Shadowranks take their guardian duties very seriously.
A) "And I say, throw him into dungeon! I have things to discuss with my noblemen."
B) "Help him stand up, so I can see his face and hear what this man has to say!"
Post by: Taricus on March 24, 2018, 03:52:23 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 24, 2018, 03:52:58 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 03:53:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 03:58:14 pm
The youth looks at you and you can't help but notice certain similarities to your father, uncle and grandfather. Is he one of your relatives?
"Who are you? Say your name." The young man hisses.
"I am Cyl! Cyl of Methiant!" Your nobles murmur in astonishement.
"The retired Emperor is not a child-"
"No! I am Cyl! Cyl, son of Leath and Ysa! I came here to fulfill my destiny; to retake what is mine! To become the rightful Emperor of Methiant! And I will prove this in combat!" You look him up. In this beaten state and the wound in his leg, he can't be possibly a dangerous opponent, unless he is a martial character, or mayhaps luck forsakes you in spur of the moment.
However, he has no legal claim besides family ties; he has been disowned, and his mother exiled.
A) To dungeon with this jester, he wasted enough of my time already!
B) Fine, I will entertain him with a duel!
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 04:00:05 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2018, 04:03:24 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 24, 2018, 04:04:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 04:05:31 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 24, 2018, 04:06:58 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 24, 2018, 04:07:20 pm
If he had chosen a better way to go about this, he might have been at least considered for the line of succession, but the whole jumping through the window shtick is so last century!
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 04:10:22 pm
There is also the fact that he doesn't have anything to prove he's our cousin. For all we know he's just a random insane peasant.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 24, 2018, 04:13:07 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 24, 2018, 04:14:22 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 24, 2018, 04:17:07 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 04:18:26 pm
Anyway, A
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 04:20:25 pm
Winning a nice duel should improve our standing.
I don't think this is a nice duel, at best we're executing a dude that we had our lackeys beat up first, at worst we die looking like a twit.
A, clearly he's a mad bastard and should be locked up for his own safety.
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 04:24:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 04:27:16 pm
1155 AD, Midwinter
Another day of working out minor domestic things with your noblemen. With Coronation Staff in your hand and the leaf-necklace on your torso, you're ready to help guide the Empire into bright future.
Suddenly, you feel terrible pain in your chest. You clutch the spot, feeling the absolutely alien warmth coming from the necklace. You scream in pain and fall to the ground, as few noblemen and guards rush to your side.
A wave of pain worse than moments before washes over your body and then your chest explodes in puff of crimson mist. The nobles scream in terror as a tree root has just brust from your innards! You scream for sweet release of death, but nothing comes of it. The root grows and you writhe in pain. Then the pain multiplies by thousands and you live through every second as second, third and further roots burst through orifices of your body; from your ear, from your penis and your anus. Blood pools undernearth your still alive body and bits of flesh hang from the bursted wounds like scraps from butcher's table.
The excruciating, absolutely gruesome spectacle continues for several minutes, and every tissue of your self experiences the pain as you writhe on the floor, the onlookers having no idea how to help you in any way.
Finally mercy arrives in most twisted of ways; a root bursts from your throat through your mouth, taking all the space, and letting you choke to death from lack of oxygen.
1155 AD. Few days later
Entirety of the court is in shambles. Thoroughly shaken, especially those nobles who witnessed Houlandin II's gruesome demise. It hasn't escaped some that the violent, root-related death of the Emperor came exactly at the time, to the very day and hour, of the opening of the strange honeycomb tomb. The corpse is entagled in numerous roots, of which one possesses a strange matrix of silvery veins around it tip, the tip adorned with only three small green leaves.
The Advisor strikes the table with the iron ball of authority.
"Noblemen of Methiant! Please calm yourselves down. As terrible and gruesome was the death of our short-lived Emperor, Houlandin II, we must concentrate and solve several issues, especially the matter of succession. His wife, Empress Herta, is pregnant with a child, of unknown gender. But there are two sons of Cyl, and the retired Emperor himself."
"Long live the long lived Emperor! He should take over the Empire!"
"No! We must wait till the child of the Empress leaves her womb first!"
"Fools! Just pass the Staff and Crown to Eivan, he will make a wise and just Emperor!"
"Take Saenn to the throne instead!"
CLANG CLANG CLANG! The Advisor speaks again:
"And what shall we do with the corpse of the Emperor? Ought we burn it to cinders and seal the ashes away?" The court murmurs, shouts and bemoans the fate of the Empire...
What will become of Yoean Dynasty now?
As for succession to the throne of Methiant...
A) We wait till Empress Herta gives birth, then we can consider a solution.
B) Return the throne to Emperor Cyl, for who knows how long. Hopefully only a short while.
C) Install Eivan as the next Emperor of Methiant.
D) Install Saenn as the next Emperor of Methiant.
As for the burial of Houlandin II...
A) Burn the root-infested corpse and seal the ashes far from the palace, just to be sure.
B) Even in this nightmarish state, the Emperor deserves proper burial in family tombs of Yoean dynasty.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 04:30:43 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 24, 2018, 04:31:04 pm
I'm not even slightly surprised.
Edit: By this event, I mean. Only that it took this long.
Post by: ZBridges on March 24, 2018, 04:32:43 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 24, 2018, 04:34:48 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 24, 2018, 04:35:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 04:38:19 pm
B It wasn't his fault. In fact it was Cyl's fault. Even when he's retired his family pays the price of questionable decisions.
D, A, Let Saenn the wise take the throne!Eivan is wise, Saenn is healthy and one-eyed.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 04:39:38 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 04:41:02 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 04:41:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 04:42:32 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 24, 2018, 04:42:47 pm
It wasn't his fault. In fact it was Cyl's fault. Even when he's retired his family pays the price of questionable decisions.
I like the idea that this was just an elaborate ploy to get Houlandin to eat shit from the elven relic and get Cyl back on the throne right after.
Besides, if all else fails we've got a spare Cyl in the dungeon. The true emperor! I bet all the Shadowrank operatives who roughed him up have leprosy now too, that's how imperial he is.
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 04:46:43 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 04:53:01 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 24, 2018, 04:58:34 pm
B,B
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 24, 2018, 05:02:30 pm
C
B
Post by: crazyabe on March 24, 2018, 05:14:37 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 24, 2018, 05:21:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 05:40:34 pm
It's actually kinda funny that we're back to calling our rulers Houlandin after all this time. Hope that we'll get a long line of Houlandins like we did in the first game. It's a pretty cool name.
TWO emperors of that name have died after ruling LESS THAN A YEAR! COMBINED! This should become the most shunned name in the Empire. It's cursed!
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 05:55:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 24, 2018, 06:02:44 pm
Time to finally get that "Great" title.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 24, 2018, 06:16:10 pm
Also good thing we retired cyl or he would prob be dead right now
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2018, 06:30:58 pm
The ashes of the latter are then sent to be dumped far into Rainbow Lizard Mountains.
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Death of the Emperor has stirred the people of the Empire, but only to make them grief about sudden loss of such promising young man.
1155 AD, Late Winter
You are Cyl I, Emperor of Methiant!
Your son and his son both died within a year of each other. Truly a calamity without match in contemporary world. With Herta's pregnancy unresolved, and your leadership and experience acclaimed, you have to once again steer the Empire through the turbulence of the years.
It seems that despite your reclusiveness and rheumatism, people still prefer you over younger men. Truly the mark of your luck.
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You receive an update on implementation of the Religious Tax; this controversional edict has stirred quite a few followers of the large faiths! Many men and women loudly and openly curse the Emperor's office for this blatant sacriledge. Which, by the way, has already begun to provide profits to the Treasury.
1155 AD, End of the Year
Well huh. It's been only one new year's eve without those in your hands, but you have actually missed these Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 4
Army: 6
Imp.Authority: +0
The Advisor bows.
"The mood of the people is rather low, and the statesmen failed to strengthen the authority, given the turbulent year. The Army managed to get some recruits, but few has been flushed out for not stepping up to the standards of the codex."
"Some courtiers clamor for festivities to be hosted by the Crown. And of course, I will ask, like in the times old and new; do you wish to issue and Edict, Emperor?"
A) "Edict and festivals, yes!"
B) "No edicts, but we should lessen the burdens of peoples with parties!"
C) "We can't afford wild partying! I will issue an Edict, though."
D) "Neither!"
Post by: ZBridges on March 24, 2018, 06:33:33 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 06:36:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 06:37:17 pm
Also I'm still against the Bill of Rights. Once you give them basic rights then they'll just keep demanding more. It's not worth it.
Post by: birdy51 on March 24, 2018, 06:45:55 pm
A bill of rights will only anger the nobility, whose support we need more than ever!
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 24, 2018, 06:46:42 pm
And no rights ever!
Post by: crazyabe on March 24, 2018, 06:46:48 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 24, 2018, 06:49:33 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 24, 2018, 07:07:20 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 24, 2018, 07:18:30 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2018, 07:19:10 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2018, 07:39:38 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 24, 2018, 07:44:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2018, 07:59:39 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2018, 08:05:58 pm
Very well, A
(Please note that this spends our expected income for the year – or more, if reclaiming the silver mine keeps dragging.)
I actually think the bill of rights would be a good thing. It sets up cultural innovation and in the long term grows the economy, possibly even the raw population number, when the common men and women are not in thrall to whim of nobles. Yet inheritance reform will suffice to sate me.
For now, mwahahaha! Excuse me while I plan my rise to the Chancellorship through bribery and demagoguery.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 24, 2018, 08:06:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 24, 2018, 08:54:07 pm
Lets expand inheritance law, absorb Cyldwyl by giving their king the imperial crown, and retire as the greatest character in Spamkingdom history (again).
Post by: Kashyyk on March 24, 2018, 10:14:59 pm
Goddamit. If we only sold off that fancy jewel to a merchant instead of keeping it. Can we never have nice things?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 24, 2018, 10:24:50 pm
A
Goddamit. If we only sold off that fancy jewel to a merchant instead of keeping it. Can we never have nice things?
Clearly not if it they are fancy jewels. Perhaps we should stop shamelessly plundering tom- bah. Who am I kidding? That isn't going to happen.
On the bright side, the rapid death of the Houlandin bloodline once again opens us up to the peaceful aquisition of our neighbors to the north if all goes well. That is a better prize than any damn necklace in my book.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 24, 2018, 10:32:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 24, 2018, 10:52:15 pm
Post by: omada on March 25, 2018, 01:09:47 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 01:50:21 am
At least if we expand the primogeniture law we'd be able to find out (and possibly utilize) the traits of our many (well, actually not that many) assorted daughters. And if we can't make King Erik the Emperor, there's still the possibility of picking his twin brother Estjald for some wonderful symmetry.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:47:46 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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Expand Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 03:52:21 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 25, 2018, 04:03:38 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 04:07:40 am
Expand Primogeniture Law!+1
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 04:24:34 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 04:35:39 am
Post by: Iituem on March 25, 2018, 04:42:51 am
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 04:51:52 am
1156 AD, Spring
Urgent message from the Orcworld fort! A large group of few thousand orcish nomads has found the location of the camp and has begun an assault on it. The officers in charge of the outpost request immediate assistance.
You decide to...
A) Ignore their plea. Properly trained, well-equipped men sitting behind fortifications are more than a match for few thousand nomadic savages.
B) Send a small portion of the Army to assist the Orcworld outpost.
B) Send a large porition of the Army to Orcworld, of course in a reasonable manner.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 04:56:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 04:58:10 am
You know, I wonder what the discovery of an alien realm has done to the local religious doctrines. Maybe they'll flee taxation into the New World, establishing many doomed colonies in the unforgiving orcish territories. It'd also be fun to build a citadel in Orcworld, but maybe wait a bit for that.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 25, 2018, 04:58:52 am
Or maybe B
Post by: ZBridges on March 25, 2018, 04:59:55 am
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 05:00:15 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2018, 05:02:24 am
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 05:26:09 am
Hmm, B or B... I'll go with C
That reasoning :P
You decide to send as many troops as possible to relieve the Orcworld outpost, of course within reasonable margin of reserves, plus so that people don't get lost during the trek through Ironbone Mountains.
1156 AD, Mid-Spring
Victory! The orcish savages were repelled, and true to their nomadic nature, had little in terms of loot on them.
Officers within the Army wonder however if it isn't time to enlarge the encampment as well as station more troops there.
A) Indeed, a proper fortress will secure Methiant from orcish raids forever. A tenth of the Army stationed within will man it well.
B) Such big construction project will only attract unwanted orcish attention. No, let's just keep big enough force in the outpost, and we will do fine.
C) Seen that? We've responded in time and that's all we needed. Neither fortresses nor dividing of Methiantese Army is required!
D) A big, tough fortress will make any invader think twice before attacking. Even skeleton crew can comfortably protect such a building.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 05:31:10 am
We're the orcs in your world now, feckers.
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 05:40:55 am
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Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 07:15:20 am
1156 AD, Late Spring
As you walk down the stairs one day, your left ankle giving you pains since you woke up, you suddenly slip and tumble down!
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Fortunately, afterwards, the healers look you over for damage and find nothing wrong there. They prescribe a stronger painkiller for your joints, and you're free to go.
You gotta be a bit more careful, old man!
1156 AD, Summer
Llynden and Herta's baby has just been born! It is a healthy boy, and Herta names him 'Owyn'.
The council gathers with you at the lead. It's about time you designate a heir.
A) My second-youngest son, Eivan, of course!
B) That would be my youngest son, Saenn!
C) Obviously, that's Owyn, by birth and by law!
D) Young Herta will lead us to bright future!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 07:16:39 am
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Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 07:44:21 am
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 07:44:40 am
Post by: Imic on March 25, 2018, 08:48:27 am
...
WHAT
THE
FUCK
JUST
HAPPENED
...
So let me get this straight.
Houlandin died immediately.
His son was crowned, did about three things, then died on his coronation day.
Then we play as Cyl, and somehow we get better rolls than we saw for most of Cyl's actual reign, and now we have to decide between the ypungest of our legion of children, the second youngest of our legion of children, a newborn baby, or the newborn's mother.
...
Did either of those kids actually get traits?
...
If we want the kingdom to survive, I'd say D. If we choose the baby, she'll be the regent anyway, who knows what'll happen if we choose either of our sons, and if we do choose the baby, he'll probably be a spoilt brat from years of being in charge with everyone else doing it for him, unless we get him a very good teacherfetch a wizard
Post by: 10ebbor10 on March 25, 2018, 08:52:53 am
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 09:13:01 am
1156 AD, Autumn
A delegation of Tiftit administrators has arrived to discuss with you a certain proposal. It happened before, and you rejected it.
"Most blessed Emperor!" THe head admin bows. "The land of Tiftit is fertile and has many sloped terraces and hills suitable for vineyards. After years of Methiantese education, even Hurthling farmers believe that this would make the region richer than before." Your courtiers murmur while the Advisor steps forward.
"That will require a rather large amount of current farmlands to be demolished, am I right?" The administrator bows.
"Well, yes, but Hurthlings' expertise won't expire, and think of profits and happiness that bottles of Tiftit Wine will bring!"
You decide to...
A) Turn down their proposal and keep Tiftif valley dedicated to grain and other foodstuffs.
B) Transform the Methiantese breadbasket into a winecasket. Drinks for everyone, yay!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 09:14:50 am
Edit: never mind.
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 09:16:07 am
Resources!
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 09:18:27 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 25, 2018, 10:13:19 am
B
Anywho. I hope that the Emperor does survive until his great-grandson is ready to assume the throne... Great-Grandson. Damn Cyl, you're long lived!
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 10:29:01 am
If he doesn't live that long Herta can be regent.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 10:50:12 am
B ut who knows how long that might take to roll around?
I still support Eivan the wise as successor by right since Owyn hadn't been born when the last emperor died, but I guess if he can't even speak up and explain how the rule of law creates smooth transitions and reassures the grain exchanges then we'll keep picking whatever we feel like at the moment.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 11:34:29 am
Anywho. I hope that the Emperor does survive until his great-grandson is ready to assume the throne... Great-Grandson. Damn Cyl, you're long lived!
Its more that we started young than lived long. I don't think Cyl is even 60 yet. I think the three generations leading up to Owyn all started having children before they turned 20.
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Also, B
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 12:07:27 pm
1156 AD, Winter
Gemstones and half of silver quota arrive without problems, and you receive the confirmation; the mines have been fully restored, except the leaking area, which has been sealed twice. Silver will be fully mined elsewhere, and the prospectors are already looking for new veins and deposits.
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The glassware makes excellent profits this year. The quality of the wares also helped keeping the peoples docile!
1156 AD, Midwinter
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You receive disturbing reports from countryside; apparently many nobles, with traditions ingrained into them since birth, took it very badly when you proclaimed that women will be given inheritance laws. And of course, nobles have their servants, friends and colleagues with them.
You can bet on your skin that there will be some grumbling and unhappiness.
1156 AD, End of the Year
You tap your fingers on the desk. The outside is silent; there was little of snowfall this winter, and the cool winds are rarely disturbing the peaceful tranquility of clear skies.
Back to business, though; the Advisor is here! And with him, of course, are the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 3
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: +0
He bows his head.
"My liege, the population of Methiant is unhappy and the Treasury is looking empty. But there are some good news; the authority of the Emperor's office has been strengthened by your hard-working Statesmen despite the bleak situation, and the Army managed to fill its yearly quota of recruits just right."
"Do you wish to issue an Edict, your Majesty?"
A) "Gotta expand that list, duh!"
B) "Eh, ask me next year maybe."
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 12:09:42 pm
Bill of Rights
'Til the day I die
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 12:12:25 pm
or, B i guess
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 12:16:57 pm
Rights are bad news. All it'll end up doing is opening the floodgates for the Peasants to complain about even more things and be even more unhappy!
Post by: crazyabe on March 25, 2018, 12:21:33 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 12:23:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 12:28:46 pm
A
Bill of Rights
'Til the day I die
I'm open to a Bill of Rights, but I continue to assert that is something we must consider when the Imperial Authority is High. B
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 12:34:06 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 25, 2018, 12:41:46 pm
We just pissed off the nobility, let them simmer down for a bit before we try to push a bill of rights.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 01:05:45 pm
1157 AD, Spring
There are two people wanting to meet with you; one is the Lord of Fireblood, in charge of the Fireblood Court, and has some news about weapons developed there.
The other person is a single messenger of yours, who claims to have returned from Gan Minsong with news of potential of trade.
A) I don't remember sending any envoys to the Far East. Let him in.
B) First we must concentrate on the strength of Methiant - Fireblood Court!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 01:09:14 pm
Lets authorize our new toys before dealing with the fishy messenger who may or may not be an assassin.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 25, 2018, 01:09:32 pm
Lets take a look at some weapons before we're assassinated.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 01:09:42 pm
Post by: omada on March 25, 2018, 01:11:58 pm
what the hell were that choices of the next emperor?
we expanded primogeniture laws, let's see what our daughters are capable of
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 01:13:14 pm
what the hell were that choices of the next emperor?
we expanded primogeniture laws, let's see what our daughters are capable of
We only had the one, actually, Eirika, and she's Queen Mother of Cydwyl (at least I think that's the right word).
Post by: omada on March 25, 2018, 01:22:35 pm
B!what the hell were that choices of the next emperor?
we expanded primogeniture laws, let's see what our daughters are capable of
We only had the one, actually, Eirika, and she's Queen Mother of Cydwyl (at least I think that's the right word).
oh, just saw that now, and she is healthy, that's not a bad atribute but... not thaat useful, but i would still like to do that shenaningans to make her the heir and try to put Erik as new emperor
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 01:26:23 pm
B!what the hell were that choices of the next emperor?
we expanded primogeniture laws, let's see what our daughters are capable of
We only had the one, actually, Eirika, and she's Queen Mother of Cydwyl (at least I think that's the right word).
oh, just saw that now, and she is healthy, that's not a bad atribute but... not thaat useful, but i would still like to do that shenaningans to make her the heir and try to put Erik as new emperor
Yeah. She (or rather her son) is the whole reason I was pushing for expanded primogeniture laws. I would have made a stink about it had I been awake when we were taking that vote.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 01:42:04 pm
"My liege! I'm proud to announce that we have made a spectacular progress in Fireblood machinery!"
"What would it be this time?"
"Hand-held Thundercats." The administrator claps his hands gleefully. "Sire, with these wooden and iron contraptions, one can load a projectile, lit the knot and shoot at the enemy before the charging warrior gets there!"
"Do you have working specimen?"
"Yes, but they seem a tad unwieldy at the moment. However, my engineers and alchemists are sure they could produce up to two, three hundred of these 'Deathreeds', as we've been calling them, per year, given our current metallurgical capacity."
You decide to...
A) Bless his efforts and order production and introduction of Deathreeds into Methiantese military.
B) Tell him to continue his work, and come in when he has something better to offer.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 01:44:21 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 25, 2018, 01:45:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 01:46:57 pm
Now lets go
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 01:48:30 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 01:49:55 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 25, 2018, 01:57:50 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 01:58:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 02:00:08 pm
I wonder if we can find a source for Fireblood in Orcworld.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 02:07:13 pm
A!
I wonder if we can find a source for Fireblood in Orcworld.
I still wish the dwarves would stop by and offer to take our money and prospect Orcworld. Not now of course. We don't really have money.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 02:08:35 pm
A It saddens me that the age of thedishonorablegun has arrive but nothing we can really do about it. It was going to happened eventually once Fireblood stuff started appearing.
Dude, it took 200 years for people of the local parts to get to musket all the way from thrown fire-bombs in SPAMKINGDOM+ in aboot year 960 :V
You tell him to begin production of Deathreeds for use of Methiantese military.
Then messenger is brought in, and he bows before you with big smile on his face.
"Emperor! I'm glad to see you still on the throne. I have returned from Gan Minsong, even if it wasn't my, well, ours, destination."
He then weaves a tale about how he and his colleagues were ambushed by bandits in southern Helliste. They lost half their numbers, then during a stay at the inn they get in drunken brawl. Four of them left, they finally visited the Helliste court. There, the trade advisor of Helliste King gave them direction to meet with some merchants, but as those lived in the colony of Autgard by Bloodpeak Mountains, they decided to take a ship.
But after a storm rendered their ship sailless, they were attacked by Albionese pirates. Two of the merchants died, and the survivors were picked up by Helliste ship, which was heading to Autgard and then Gan Minsong. In Autgard, the other remaining envoy caught a fever and perished.
Saddened but not heart-broken, the remaining messenger - the one standing before you - decided that this voyage already got so bad and so off-course, that he might as well try his luck getting to Gan Minsong. So he re-embarked on the ship, and visited the distant land in far east. He speaks of giant sea-trees that tried to smash their ship and the cold winds of eastern seas that envelop Gan Minsong islands.
"I must note that the tales of grown buildings and glassy roofs are exaggerations. All I saw was timberwork and clay roof tiles. Their clothes are fabulous, however, of material delicate yet insulating that I never saw anywhere around these parts. Not even threadworm silk and ketton cloth combined could produce something that good, and dyes they produce are brilliant hues of gold, red and blue. Their cuisine is truly alien, however; they indulge on weeds, mice, bats, octopi, oysters and birds and poisonous reptiles and lizards, but know little of meat of land animals, cows and horses do not exist in their lands, nor they produce much crops besides some grains and leafy vegetables."
He then continues his tale of Gan Minsong; apparently, the Helliste haven't been squandering the time and already established a small office in one of Gan Minsongian port cities. It is currently dedicated rest-stop for ship crews as well as place where Gan Minsong script and language is being learned and worked upon by Helliste scholars. Further, the Gan Minsong society seems to be extremely religious, bordering on fanatical; while they tolerate heathens, for a Gan to revere anything else but The Golden King (some sort of ancient King-slash-deity) is considered a crime; the punishment is execution of the heretic and exile of their family from their hometwon into forest-covered countryside or into the snow-covered mountain peaks in Gan Minsong heartlands.
After half a year stay in Gan Minsong, the envoy felt homesick and decided to catch a ship back to Helliste. This time the ride was smooth, and once he got back to Autgard, he found the merchants he was sent to meet in first place. Unfortunately, they turned Methiantese offers down; it seems that Gan Minsong has little interest in glassware, and Helliste merchants seem to calculate the price of eastern goods at much higher price than some paltry gemstones and silver bullion.
His mission a failure, the man however felt obliged to find a way to return home. He traveled along the coast, then joined a trade caravan heading for Cydwyl. He arrived there last Winter, and then journeyed back to Methiant, crossing the border few days before new year's eve.
"And so I am, your Majesty, back home, having failed my mission! Have mercy!"
A) "Mercy? You do not deserve mercy! You potentially crippled our chances at securing wealth of Gan Minsong for Methiantese peoples! To dungeon with you!"
B) "It is clear to me that you had quite a journey. Unnecessary, however. Seems we will have to do without Gan Minsongian wares after all!"
C) "You should've come earlier! If I knew how it was in the north, less time would be wasted waiting and we would've sent another dispatch. In fact, we will send more diplomats to Helliste! I want those fabrics you speak of!"
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 02:15:27 pm
?B ut the vines aren't producing yet. :(
Unless...
Can the C option be to our in-laws in Albion instead? 'Cause I want to try them.
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 02:16:12 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 02:21:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 02:23:27 pm
The blood of Albionese pirates runs through our heir. The day will come that we take what we want by force. Perhaps we can team up with Cydwyl and Albion to inavade Helliste or even raid Gan Minsong next time our army maxes out.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 02:23:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 02:49:32 pm
1157 AD, Summer
Another grandkid in your hourse! Bjeda, wife of Eivan, gave birth to a healthy baby girl, which she named 'Caimhe'.
1157 AD, Midsummer
A noble uprising has begun in the northwest of the capital! There are about three thousand rebels, mostly noblemen of lower ranks, but also some of your courtiers and Army officers. They're campaigning to 'remove the Yoean dynasty' from the throne of Methiant for 'sacriledges against gods and crimes against traditions of Methiant'. Led by a charismatic man named Cauth Llyngeilych, they're on the move toward the capital.
The Army of course offers to get rid of these pesky rebels.
A) No, part of their complaints are valid. We ought to negotiate.
B) Go forth and crush them, then! I believe in you guys!
C) I will help and lead the Army personally! FOR GLORY!!
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 02:53:03 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 02:57:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 02:57:30 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 25, 2018, 02:58:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:00:07 pm
Anything else would be out of character. Cyl does not let slights go unanswered.
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:06:21 pm
As long as we don't get into direct combat, we should do more than fine.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:07:21 pm
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A week later, your Army triumphantly returns. The initial phase of the fighting was a bit hectic, but soon the numerical superiority and discipline of your soldiers meant victory for your troops. Out of the estimated 2650 rebels, your officers believe only few dozen escaped with their lives intact. Glory to Yoean Dynasty! Glory to the Emperor!
1157 AD, Autumn
Upon a rainy day, your son Saenn knocks onto the door of your chambers.
"Enter." You slips inside and closes the door. He approaches you, takes a deep breath, and looks you into the eye.
"Father, I'm here to tell you I'm marrying someone." Oh gosh. Oh what joy.
"Who is it? A thief? A princess with hidden love for fellow princesses? A woman of mystical powders?" He glares at you.
"No, it is daughter of a local nobleman from Felonsein. We met during one of festivals last year, and since then, we've been exchanging correspondence. I've proclaimed her my love, and she responded in kind a month ago. So, I'm asking for permission."
A) "Fine, that's okay. May the Alldivines bless you with many children."
B) "No, you see, I need you to marry someone else some other time."
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:09:18 pm
But do you guys want a redo? I mean, the current outcome is pretty good v;
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 25, 2018, 03:11:09 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:11:17 pm
Redo!
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:11:40 pm
Nah we won that's what matters
We need more feats to add to Cyl's name.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 03:12:59 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:13:03 pm
Also, A.
Nah we won that's what matters
We need more feats to add to Cyl's name.
Indeed, but it is not worth retconning a flawless victory to get them.
Edit: Also, 600 pages of the Yoean Dynasty.
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:14:00 pm
Indeed. Take what we can get. Apparently Methiant only works when Cyl I is in charge. Perhaps we should not be risking his life.except it can only get better. +3 +2. Even on a one, we break even.
Also, A.Nah we won that's what matters
We need more feats to add to Cyl's name.
Indeed, but it is not worth retconning a flawless victory to get them.
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 03:14:13 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 03:14:16 pm
Eh. I mean we already got a 6. We can have Cyl show off that he's still a badass general later.
Also huzzah for 600 pages! :D
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 03:15:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:16:43 pm
A
Eh. I mean we already got a 6. We can have Cyl show off that he's still a badass general later.
Yeah. Our army will max out in a few years, and thats if nobody gives us cause to fuck them up first.
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:16:53 pm
Abut we could get up to an 11 if we rolled well!
Eh. I mean we already got a 6. We can have Cyl show off that he's still a badass general later.
Also huzzah for 600 pages! :D
also A in case we don't get the re-do
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 03:18:09 pm
No Redo
A!
Post by: crazyabe on March 25, 2018, 03:18:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:19:31 pm
Edit: Also, 600 pages of the Yoean Dynasty.
(https://i.imgur.com/VV6AYKE.jpg)
You decide to let him marry whom he loves.
Later you learn they've scheduled their wedding for Winter.
1157 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive a sad letter from the west. Your sister Gea have died peacefully in her sleep. Besides Valhelma, your half-sister, you're alone, with your siblings and parents, and cousins and uncle long gone.
You consider your advanced age, your health issues and other things for a long while, waking up from this overthinking only when the moon hangs up on the skies.
A) C'est la vie.
B) But I have so much to do! I need to live much longer if I'm to accomplish everything!
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 03:21:26 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 25, 2018, 03:22:04 pm
I mean, we could try to discover the secrets of life and death if we wanted to though.
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 03:22:37 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 25, 2018, 03:22:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:23:31 pm
Our sister had that stuff she was drinking at one point, but it seems we have outlived her anyways...
best not to wind up with another bad trait. Finish our regency and pass it along.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:25:16 pm
Is this a vote to step down? Or a vote to go and try to find crazy means of life extension?
A if the latter.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:26:42 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 25, 2018, 03:26:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:27:59 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 03:28:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 03:30:07 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on March 25, 2018, 03:30:19 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 03:34:09 pm
Well I mean as long as we don't get really crazy with it then it can't hurt to at least see if we can find something to help Cyl with the pains of old age. We do want him to live long enough to see his great-grandson take the mantle of emperor.I completely agree with this, and I wouldn't mind seeing Cyl become a new immortal advisor too. :P
Post by: ZBridges on March 25, 2018, 03:34:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:35:20 pm
Well I mean as long as we don't get really crazy with it then it can't hurt to at least see if we can find something to help Cyl with the pains of old age. We do want him to live long enough to see his great-grandson take the mantle of emperor.
Honestly, if we can max out our economy, I'd be fine with letting a sorceress give us another health boon. We know what the consequences are, and have the scepter to mitigate them. I'm not fine with Cyl just experimenting with whatever random drugs and remedies his bumbling staff can conjure up. Just look to Haspen's sig to see the amount of confidence that we should have in our medical staff.
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 03:36:44 pm
1157 AD, Winter
Gemstones and silver arrive in the Treasury.
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Glassware failed to deliver anything but dissappointment. Methiantese merchants blame the weather.
The wedding of Saenn and Meva, daughter of Ingvar, is a lovely one. It's obvious to everyone gathered that the two are deeply in love with each other.
During the second day of feast, however, you receive a messenger from the north. Apparently, King Erik with his wife, Alissa (your grand-half-niece), and your daughter Eirika, Queen Mother of Cydwyl, are due to arrive at your palace in three days!
A) Oh this means we've gotta make this celebration truly spectacular! The Treasurer will have to live with it! Luxurious drinks and cooked pheasants for all!
B) Oh, lovely, they're free to visit us. I hope they bring their own stuff though!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:39:49 pm
These guys are our strongest allies, and we must spoil them if we wish to peacefully add their nation to our empire.
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 03:40:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 03:40:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 25, 2018, 03:43:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 03:43:36 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 25, 2018, 03:44:59 pm
I mean he did offer us eleven thousand troops not so long ago.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 03:45:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 03:46:12 pm
Is there no middle ground between full gold feast and a plastic baggie of trail mix?
In their eyes, perhaps not. Remember; They are related to US. Slighting them may be a bad idea.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 03:47:03 pm
Speaking of which, month of Winter and no report on trade stuff?
A anyway, for what remains of our family.
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 25, 2018, 03:51:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 25, 2018, 03:51:31 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 03:53:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on March 25, 2018, 03:58:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 25, 2018, 04:14:47 pm
One King Erik, his family, and almost eighty of servants and courtiers arrive, the feast has been vastly expanded, with multiple-course meals and variety of drinks from as far as Gubta and Tirine.
Eirika is first to greet you by the way of a hug and a kiss on your wrinkly cheek. Then you meet with Erik and his wife, who is quite pretty, and some pleasantries are exchanged.
The feast is underway; Alissa and Eirika both indulge in meals, drinks and chatter with local noblewomen, while King Erik, seated near you, seems a bit tense. After a while, he speaks up and you two find a common ground for negotiation.
"The Albionese merchants living on our side of the Northern Mountains are quite interested in jewels and gemstones. I've heard that Methiant is mining quite a variety of gemstones. Would you be interested in a trade agreement with Cydwyl? The Albionese have mostly foodstuffs, but they also have quite profitable salt workshops along the coast, and have access to prized furs and skins of various animals. Have you ever had gloves made of the delicate fur of the rare spotted black owlseal? Truly luxurious."
A) "Apologies, but I fear I will be profiting more from selling gemstones here rather than abroad."
B) "Furs and skins would do well for my nobles, or I could sell them further south where they're rare. It's a deal!"
C) "Salt is sparse in this region, and having access to it would do us much good. It's a deal!"
Post by: Weirdsound on March 25, 2018, 04:19:36 pm
We shouldn't depend on complicated trade chains while we have that passage tax. Lets just take the salt and make our people happy. Also, closer ties to the Albionese sounds good. We could add them to our alliance.
B
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2018, 04:20:08 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 25, 2018, 04:20:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 25, 2018, 04:21:29 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 25, 2018, 04:27:16 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 25, 2018, 04:49:09 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 04:58:26 pm
I have no experience what the furs will trade for, either here or as a pass through item. I agree with Weirdsound that chain trading is going to be trickier with the passage tax.
A
I will vote for the fiscally conservative stance, although I don't think trade for salt would be the end of the world. However we already get +0.5 happiness from glassware, if we stop pushing unpopular reforms for a bit it should rise anyway.
Post by: ZBridges on March 25, 2018, 05:09:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 05:13:54 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 25, 2018, 05:43:42 pm
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Post by: birdy51 on March 25, 2018, 05:55:09 pm
Happiness prevents rebels, which prevents population death, which makes us money.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 06:22:39 pm
Uh. I dont think the traversal tax goes on caravans which sell crown mandated goods.
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You might not think so, but this seems to say otherwise:
Passage Tax provides +1 with no negative impact cuz you guys have no exports going out, no imports going in (and glassware is sold locally and thus is exempt), and settlement policy isnt on. I sometimes try to flip a coin to get negative event outta this but RNG has been blessing you about this since '42.
Which agrees with my assessment of the edict page text: we get constant income, but the price we pay to get it is reduced outcomes on import/export stuff. Since free traders do not appear to exist as a regular thing, crown trades are our only trades to which it might apply.
Edit: Think of it this way, the burden of the passage tax means fewer people show up to our auction, and don't have as much to spend when they do.
Post by: omada on March 25, 2018, 07:09:51 pm
the salt will bring 0 profits to +1, but the +1 only comes with a 6 last time, AAAND, we will be losing -1 of the gems, the furs seems like they will be sold for high prices maybe rolling a bad number will be the same as not selling the gems which is enough
Post by: Criptfeind on March 25, 2018, 07:12:19 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 07:17:24 pm
B or A anything but don't bring the saltsThe idea with the salt is to hopefully increase happiness, which will allow us to expand our population, increasing the tax base and making the kingdom generally better.
the salt will bring 0 profits to +1, but the +1 only comes with a 6 last time, AAAND, we will be losing -1 of the gems, the furs seems like they will be sold for high prices maybe rolling a bad number will be the same as not selling the gems which is enough
Post by: omada on March 25, 2018, 07:26:53 pm
population takes time to grow, I don't think the salt will help this fast, want population? spend on settlement policy and people might flock into methiant soil to get funds to colonize somewhere new, specially when war takes hold everywhere
We will be spending 1 wealth to increase 1 hapiness and waste 1 hapiness to get 1 wealth
i'm just thinking something about the orcworld... what were those abandoned constructions? uruk abandoned? why? raided by orcs? a bigger problem hidden there?
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 25, 2018, 07:28:20 pm
increasing the tax bring problems over timeI'm not suggesting increasing the tax rate, just having more people to tax at the same rate.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 25, 2018, 07:40:20 pm
Settlement policy seems like it'd probably be more useful for finding resources to further exploit in new lands, but that's probably gambling. Or maybe there's an absolute size stat somewhere that'll give bonuses as we get big enough... But there's some somewhat weak nations that are very very big. (On the other hand I'm pretty sure NPC nations are normally just as strong as they need to be for the narrative, so if we're helping them they are weaker in order to justify our help, if we're attacking they are stronger in order to put up resistance.... So there's probably no correlation to size.)
Post by: mightymushroom on March 25, 2018, 08:33:28 pm
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Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
1) Is this mainly targeted at redistributing our people or attracting foreigners to move closer?
2) Do we even get a claim on the new territory? I have to assume so or else what are we paying for, but it doesn't actually say so. If they're discontented Methiantese, perhaps they'll set up their own state that just happens to share most of our culture and values at its start. If foreigners, perhaps they'll be grateful but not wish to be fully integrated – some sort of quasi-vassal at most.
3) Is it really a variable amount with "sudden, mass migration"? I would think it would be easier to put some regular money in a fund, first come first served sort of deal. We've done "regional improvements" before on a system of pay a few years, eventually get a yield of some sort (Zasitost, Tiftit, even central Methiant way way back).
4) Are we able to target a specific area, like the area between Tiftit and the northern Parsians, or even send all takers to homestead in Orcworld? Or do they just have to make an affidavit, "I swear on this non-denominational codice of Methiantese proverbs that I'm on my way to some wilderness"?
B or A anything but don't bring the salts
the salt will bring 0 profits to +1, but the +1 only comes with a 6 last time, AAAND, we will be losing -1 of the gems, the furs seems like they will be sold for high prices maybe rolling a bad number will be the same as not selling the gems which is enough
To clarify, the earlier trade broke even on a roll 1to5: that is, we paid -1 for the salt and gained +1 back reselling it. It turned a profit (-1, +2) on a roll of 6. Trading the gems would be paying the same -1 price to acquire it as before.
My best guess how the passage tax would affect this is to make the success roll at -1. So we can never get that six and only break even money wise but we still have happiness. Every so often we'd get 0 and lose money. (Alternative guesses all involve some other mechanism to periodically mess with our profits. Since the margin on salt is so low, it easily becomes a money loser – but still a happiness gainer.)
Not knowing how the furs work mechanically, it's pure speculation whether selling them at home is worth it. The closest equivalent I've seen is probably the ketton cloth, a luxury fabric that varied quite widely from year to year. Selling furs abroad may or may not cause double the passage tax woes; we probably wouldn't know unless we try. Erik's testimonial suggests they have a significant happiness component, but only high end buyers will be interested whereas everybody wants a pinch of salt in their stew.
It's a semi-permanent trade of money for happiness (or, if reselling to the south, for the hope of more money). The thing is, I personally don't think we need to semi-permanently buy happiness when we already have glassware and future wine. Also, it's possible either or both the wine conversion and the big Orcworld bastion are ongoing projects with an ongoing drain. In that case we don't have spare money in the first place for a few years.
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 25, 2018, 09:03:12 pm
Happiness is consistently low. Additionally, we've pissed the nobility off. It's a real bad idea to have both angry peasants and angry nobles.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 25, 2018, 11:05:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 26, 2018, 12:14:34 am
I have so many questions before enacting settlement policy.QuoteEnact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
1) Is this mainly targeted at redistributing our people or attracting foreigners to move closer?
2) Do we even get a claim on the new territory? I have to assume so or else what are we paying for, but it doesn't actually say so. If they're discontented Methiantese, perhaps they'll set up their own state that just happens to share most of our culture and values at its start. If foreigners, perhaps they'll be grateful but not wish to be fully integrated – some sort of quasi-vassal at most.
3) Is it really a variable amount with "sudden, mass migration"? I would think it would be easier to put some regular money in a fund, first come first served sort of deal. We've done "regional improvements" before on a system of pay a few years, eventually get a yield of some sort (Zasitost, Tiftit, even central Methiant way way back).
4) Are we able to target a specific area, like the area between Tiftit and the northern Parsians, or even send all takers to homestead in Orcworld? Or do they just have to make an affidavit, "I swear on this non-denominational codice of Methiantese proverbs that I'm on my way to some wilderness"?
1. Both. People migrate much more into the country, slowly but steadily bringing the Population to 8, so you no longer need a chain of conquests, good harvests and festivals to bump it up.
2. They are sponsored by the Crown, thus they have to respond to the Crown. They would be almost 'next door', after all.
3. The moment you send 'colonists' to settle a specific area, you get a 1 drain. Otherwise, the policy is free (you might get extra events, too).
4. Yes, but even then you will get prompts that 'people want to move to unclaimed lands of X, pls sponsor per Policy guarantee'.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 26, 2018, 04:32:04 am
We need to pass this and settle the mountains and orc world. Or as we should be calling it New Methiant.
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Post by: Iituem on March 26, 2018, 07:47:10 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 26, 2018, 08:33:56 am
--answers--
Okay, that all makes much more sense now. It was the part where we get replacement growth to compensate for the settlers that wasn't coming through before.
- Regular (instead of chaotic) population growth up to level 8.
- Requests for crown sponsorship of new settlements; loss of happiness or similar problems if we don't follow through I assume?
- Requests (and their expenses) can stack up, which may be a problem because we've "guaranteed" payment.
- Sounds like we can also start a desired project; however our initiative may exacerbate the drain by pushing a project that then gets stacked upon.
Sounds workable, if potentially costly. Since 8 pop pays an extra bit of tax, it's sorta self-sustaining ... until those requests stack. And they will, because No Free
Post by: Haspen on March 26, 2018, 10:39:05 am
Post by: Imic on March 26, 2018, 10:50:07 am
No.
Post by: Haspen on March 26, 2018, 10:53:06 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 26, 2018, 11:57:25 am
Edit l Whoosh
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Post by: Weirdsound on March 26, 2018, 11:58:49 am
Post by: Haspen on March 26, 2018, 12:35:52 pm
The feasting continues for another day, but King Erik isn't particularily fortchoming about possible agreements or other deals. Maybe you should prod him a bit about something?
A) Trade!
B) Military!
C) Religion!
D) Family!
E) Naaah.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 26, 2018, 12:38:24 pm
changed ifnal time i swear
Post by: Criptfeind on March 26, 2018, 12:39:36 pm
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Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 26, 2018, 12:40:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 26, 2018, 12:42:41 pm
D! Lets talk line of succession. Perhaps Erik fancies a bigger crown!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 26, 2018, 12:44:35 pm
We should definitely push trade when we have passage tax. The more people who pass through, the better.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 26, 2018, 12:46:50 pm
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We should definitely push trade when we have passage tax. The more people who pass through, the better.
Earlier I think I read something that made it sound like the passage tax was a flat +1 to economy. If that isn't true, I'll change my vote to trade.
Edit:
Another idea would be to simply repel the passage tax. The fireblood court costs two economy pips as long as we don't have fireblood ingreedients, and we just got new toys from them, so we could repel that for a time to make up the difference.
...Or hell. We could offer to sell King Erik our fireblood secrets if he agrees to eat some of the cost of our fireblood court; I think we can trust him.
Post by: Rockeater on March 26, 2018, 12:47:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 26, 2018, 12:50:56 pm
Let our favorite grandson know how much we like him.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 26, 2018, 12:52:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 26, 2018, 01:01:32 pm
The fireblood court also supplies our weapons and keeps them in fighting shape I think, if we repeal it (without another source of supplies, which is why it costs double if we don't have them I think, basically 1 for further research and 1 for upkeep) I think we loose access to the weapons.
Fair enough.
D!
Let our favorite grandson know how much we like him.
Actually. Yeah. This could get us talking line of succession, which may allow us to give him the crown and drastically increase the size of Methiant. Thats the thing I was pushing for my whole time. Changing my vote!
Post by: Prophet on March 26, 2018, 01:34:29 pm
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Post by: omada on March 26, 2018, 07:08:13 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 26, 2018, 07:28:09 pm
D let's try to do our greatest political trick, well, Cyl is known to be scandalous, we should end his career with a scandal of sucession
Let's not do that...
Post by: Culise on March 26, 2018, 11:10:27 pm
Earlier I think I read something that made it sound like the passage tax was a flat +1 to economy. If that isn't true, I'll change my vote to trade.Likely this.
Recruitment Offices, Settlement Policy, Calendar of Festivals, Patronage of Arts and House of Learning have yearly drains (-1), Fireblood Court is costlier (-2) cuz you have no mineral (sulphur, coal etc) mines/supply.Basically, Passage Tax's negative impacts don't apply until we start establishing large amounts of trade. As such, trade is a wee bit risky so long as the Passage Tax is active.
All other are free.
Passage Tax provides +1 with no negative impact cuz you guys have no exports going out, no imports going in (and glassware is sold locally and thus is exempt), and settlement policy isnt on. I sometimes try to flip a coin to get negative event outta this but RNG has been blessing you about this since '42.
/me shakes fist, his plans foiled.
Post by: Haspen on March 27, 2018, 01:52:28 pm
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You decide to talk about family.
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The topic drifts for a while, but you finally manage to steer it towards succession woes, and the two branches of the family that are separated only by borders of Methiant and Cydwyl.
"What are you suggesting, Emperor?"
"I'm suggesting that one day, one of our nations might find itself short of an heir. Rather than to let local noblemen or, even worse, strangers and foreigners vie for the throne, mayhaps it would be more beneficial for one Yoean descendant to rule both nations?" Young King Erik considers this for a long while.
"I would be sympathetic to this idea, but Cydwyl and Dahnian nobles might not be so eager to accept such a proposal. They've always thought of themselves northerners rather than foresters like people of Methiant. Still, an idea worthy consideration. I will remember about it."
The feast is still young, and Erik seems still interested in conversation after the family topic. Mayhaps something else should be discussed?
A) Military!
B) Naah.
C) Religion!
D) Trade!
Post by: Criptfeind on March 27, 2018, 01:53:17 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 27, 2018, 01:55:53 pm
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Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 27, 2018, 02:11:41 pm
Post by: omada on March 27, 2018, 02:12:08 pm
If we get enough trades we can revoke the border taxes if it's worth it D
Post by: Haspen on March 27, 2018, 02:23:12 pm
After the feast, you learn that Queen Alissa is pregnant with a child, or so the healers at Cydwyl courts believe.
Five days later, your honoured guests leave.
1157 AD, Midwinter
Terrible news wake you up one chilly morning. Little Owyn has caught the deadly swamp fever, which kills many children and those few who survive the sickness are oft crippled for life.
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Fortunately, he has the strongest blood of them in him - that of Yoean dynasty! He gets better within a week. Every courtier in the palace breathes in relief.
1157 AD, End of the Year
Another year under your belt, and for yet another time you will have to peruse the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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5to6, 2to6
Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 1
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -1
You grimace at the numbers.
"Sire, our spendings on the Orcworld fortress and the lavish wedding to accomodate Cydwyllian royal family tipped our Treasury's wealth downwards! The Treasurer bemoans the losses and trade advisors believe some drastic measures or budget cuts are required!"
"Some members of the military however believe that we could send our forces to attack Parsia and demand money to repair our economy, but that could have terrible repercussions for us."
As for budget cuts...
A) Slash Fireblood Court funding for a year.
B) Cut the budget of the Army for a year.
C) Reduce budgeting for both the Court and the Army!
D) No! We cannot weaken our military like this!
As for raising of taxes...
A) Do it, peasants can do an angery if they have to!
B) We cannot, else our subjects will boot us out the palace!
As for raiding and pillaging of Parsia...
A) We will make up some pretext. Invasion time!
B) Nah, let's not make enemies just because we're poor!
"The statesmen failed to increase your authority during those trying times, despite their best. Is it a good moment to issue an Edict, my liege?"
A) "No, no it isn't."
B) "Obviously!"
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 27, 2018, 02:25:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 27, 2018, 02:27:02 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 27, 2018, 02:29:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 27, 2018, 02:30:24 pm
If we are done, I don't think drastic measures are required.
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Also, we have a good pretense for attacking Parsia if we need one: We could claim that Cyl the younger's attempt to claim the throne from Houlandin II was an act of Parsian aggression. (Actually wait... Was Cyl the kid of Leath's commoner wife or his Parsian wife?)
Post by: Haspen on March 27, 2018, 02:33:40 pm
Question: Have we finished spending on the Orcworld Fortress, or is that to last a few more years?
Cyl will be notified of its completion ;v
Shouldn't take more than one or two years extra tho.
Post by: Prophet on March 27, 2018, 02:38:11 pm
Edit: Actually make that a son and two grandchildren named Cyl. Leath's son and King Erik's brother Cyl. Also I wonder what our son Cyl has been doing? I don't think we've heard anything about him since like... his birth?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 27, 2018, 02:47:39 pm
Question: Have we finished spending on the Orcworld Fortress, or is that to last a few more years?
Cyl will be notified of its completion ;v
Shouldn't take more than one or two years extra tho.
Aawww... But thinking about, Cyl has built or rebuilt alot of things. Several temples, a giant statue of himself, the entire burnt out city of Luthabas... I wonder if it will be a 'the builder' title that pushes Cyl into 'The Great' territory.
Anyway, lets go CBBA for now. Hopefully our new vinyards will kick in as well, or somebody offers us loans.
Post by: Prophet on March 27, 2018, 02:50:19 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on March 27, 2018, 03:41:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 27, 2018, 03:57:27 pm
BBBA
Army can be reduced if we're not fighting. Fireblood Court is supposed to be making us those boomsticks, I'd rather not interrupt that.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 27, 2018, 04:08:01 pm
Why the hell are they suggesting we attack Parsia for money when Eldrican still owes us 17 loads of silver from the mines right next door. I want people to stop saying Cyl beats up on those who crossed him because he and we have totally written that off at this point.
BBBA
Army can be reduced if we're not fighting. Fireblood Court is supposed to be making us those boomsticks, I'd rather not interrupt that.
I'm going to guess that Parsia has money and Eldrican does not.
Once we sort this money mess out, and refund our military, I do think we should attack Eldrican though. I have a few great reasons as to why the Eldrican Kingdom must soon face our wrath.
1: We have a legit grievance
2: Thanks to our late wife, our descendants can all trace their blood back to Eldrican royalty, so we have the right to rule it once we beat it.
3: I propose once we win, we take some of the borderlands for ourself, and let both our vassal and our grandson/ally take some borderlands as well.
4: We can then split the rest of Eldrican into a bunch of smaller independent nations, each ruled by one of our sons or one of King Erik's brothers. Each of these new nations can join Methiant and Cydwyl in a great Yoean Alliance!
5: By giving other crowns to possible heirs of Methiant and Cydwyl we make it more likely that the two great nations will have to merge, like we discussed with King Erik.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 27, 2018, 04:11:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 27, 2018, 04:19:12 pm
Doesn't Eldrican have the supplies required for fireblood research? Acquiring them ourselves would reduce the expenses of the Fireblood Court.
They did at one point... but it has been years since the option to talk to them about it came up, so I guess we can't be sure anymore. Still, one more possible reason to attack them.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 27, 2018, 04:27:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 27, 2018, 04:45:33 pm
If total war war-hammer has taught me anything, it's that war will fill your coffers.
We can suspend fire-blood development, and keep production.
Keep the Army up because we are about to go to war, and no edicts at a -1.
Also, Did we ever finish the giant Cyl Statue?
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 27, 2018, 04:51:16 pm
A,B,A,BNo edicts is A, brah
[...] and no edicts at a -1.
Post by: helmacon on March 27, 2018, 04:55:52 pm
Whoops. Thank you.A,B,A,BNo edicts is A, brah
[...] and no edicts at a -1.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 27, 2018, 06:15:17 pm
If total war war-hammer has taught me anything, it's that war will fill your coffers.
Somebody tried to convince me of this before, that we didn't need to worry about military spending because the army could make money for us.
The thing is, it mostly hasn't. We don't pick up spoils as we pillage. We fought a protracted engagement as an alliance member against the Agaresians and got squat in the peace. We tried renting the army to the Eldricans and look how that turned out.
There is a case to be made where we got the Ceodwell gold mines for a while, and the Donuth silver mines now, and the Tiftit vineyards in the future. But all these things are tied to the land: when we split Ceodwell with the Parsians we lost the income. The army can get us land, and the land can get us money, but the example of Felonsein and Eval suggests that the relationship is largely a matter of what opportunities we pick up along the way. Military action alone doesn't cut it.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 27, 2018, 06:22:18 pm
If total war war-hammer has taught me anything, it's that war will fill your coffers.
Somebody tried to convince me of this before, that we didn't need to worry about military spending because the army could make money for us.
The thing is, it mostly hasn't. We don't pick up spoils as we pillage. We fought a protracted engagement as an alliance member against the Agaresians and got squat in the peace. We tried renting the army to the Eldricans and look how that turned out.
There is a case to be made where we got the Ceodwell gold mines for a while, and the Donuth silver mines now, and the Tiftit vineyards in the future. But all these things are tied to the land: when we split Ceodwell with the Parsians we lost the income. The army can get us land, and the land can get us money, but the example of Felonsein and Eval suggests that the relationship is largely a matter of what opportunities we pick up along the way. Military action alone doesn't cut it.
I think that if we don't make money when we win a war, it is because we prefer healthy land to money. We typically get some sort of option to loot and/or pillage, but we typically don't take it.
Post by: omada on March 27, 2018, 10:27:29 pm
-His vassal, the koi, is where the silver mine is (we can send our spymaster to discover if they are being unhappy vassals, maybe they would wan't to change their overlords)
-maybe they have sulphur yet
-maybe we can get closer to the calvodocians and other nations
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 28, 2018, 09:56:23 am
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Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 12:47:12 pm
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You decide to cut the military spending for a year, and pass on Edicts this year.
1158 AD, Spring
The great statue of yourself is unveilved in the central square of Methe!
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The artist did great, and the artwork is truly spectacular, but your subjects are indifferent. Quite opposite effect from the one you had on mind...
1158 AD, Mid-Spring
The Priests of the Hunt of the Pantheon arrive in the palace. After they bless the gathered courtiers in simple ceremony, they approach you and bow.
"My liege, it is time of great importance! The stars and omens from the deities in the heavens all point that this year is the most favorable in decades to host the Hunt for the White Stag. We ask you to sponsor this ceremonial hunt and great feast and partake in them, so that your house and our nation will be blessed by the Pantheon in turn!"
You decide to...
A) Host the Great Hunt and take part in it personally!
B) Sponsor the Hunt, and send Eivan in your place.
C) Sponsor the Hunt, and send Saenn in your place.
D) Turn down the proposal, politely making an excuse.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 12:50:47 pm
Also, we litterally have a son who is a Pantheonist priest. We may have stripped him from the line of succession, but if we did send somebody, it should have been him.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 28, 2018, 12:53:52 pm
You decide to cut the military spending for a year, and pass on Edicts this year.
Don't forget fireblood spending!
B
He's not a good hunter but if some mystical shit happens he'll be allllll over it.
Post by: Lucus Casius on March 28, 2018, 12:55:04 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 28, 2018, 12:55:18 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 28, 2018, 12:56:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 01:02:05 pm
You decide to cut the military spending for a year, and pass on Edicts this year.
Don't forget fireblood spending!
B
He's not a good hunter but if some mystical shit happens he'll be allllll over it.
This is the worst idea. If our son completes the hunt and gets the boon, he would have a serious claim to the throne. Our official heir is a baby who may not be old enough to rule before we die. We need to keep Eivan and Saeen weak to avoid a second civil war.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 28, 2018, 01:05:09 pm
The last one was ended so prematurely by a gm error, I think we deserve a redo.
Post by: Rockeater on March 28, 2018, 01:06:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 28, 2018, 01:06:42 pm
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Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 01:27:13 pm
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You decline their request, citing other things the Methiantese money needs to be spent.
1158 AD, Late Spring
King Erik's wife Alissa gave birth to twins! The two boys born were named 'Llewyn' and 'Tolin'.
1158 AD, Summer
A report comes from the Orcworld; the construction of the citadel is progressing smoothly, and orcish raiders are repelled without much casualties, but the commander of the to-be-constructed fort believes that it would be beneficial to speed construction somewhat, because the orcish raiding groups are only getting larger as of late. He fears the orcs might prepare a large assault once again, and he would rather have somewhere safe to hide and weather the savage tide.
A) Coward! I will send him more soldiers if he is so scared of facing orcs in battle.
B) He is a little tense, isn't he? I doubt the situation is that bad, he really doesn't need the supplies.
C) Alright, that is some sound reasoning. He will have the supplies.
Post by: Criptfeind on March 28, 2018, 01:27:45 pm
Post by: omada on March 28, 2018, 01:28:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 01:29:21 pm
We can spare more soldiers than we can money.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 28, 2018, 01:30:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 01:32:00 pm
-le snip-
Oh hey I just noticed Draignean posted in here! Welcome back Draigu! :3
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 28, 2018, 01:32:46 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 28, 2018, 01:38:13 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 28, 2018, 01:41:29 pm
That said, A is fine, we have army out the ass.
Post by: birdy51 on March 28, 2018, 01:47:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 28, 2018, 02:07:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 28, 2018, 02:26:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 28, 2018, 02:33:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 03:05:55 pm
1158 AD, Midsummer
Over an eigth of Methiantese Army is now in Orcworld.
1158 AD, Autumn
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A twilightish period of three days came upon the palace. At first, everyone was set to celebrate the birth of the child of Saenn and Meva, whom the mother named 'Ast', but alas, the boy was weak and perished few hours into its short life. And, worst upon worst, Meva has developed a fever from childbirth and perished from pain three days later.
Every courtier weeps for the troubles of the royal family, while Saenn mopes around his chambers silently. Your son is completely devastated.
A) C'est la vie! He is a strong man, he will get better with time.
B) He needs a distraction, better find him something absorbing to do.
C) He needs a companion, better arrange him a re-marriage.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 03:07:59 pm
Gotta keep the bloodline going!
B
Post by: Prophet on March 28, 2018, 03:09:02 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 28, 2018, 03:09:43 pm
We have the agreement from the fist (bad with names) so we need him in good mood
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 03:11:14 pm
B I mean considering that Cyl was close with his wife and never remarried after her death I think he'd give him some time before bring up the topic of another marriage.
Fair enough.
I'll change my vote.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 28, 2018, 03:15:55 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 28, 2018, 03:18:00 pm
I wonder if Healthy helps with mental as well as physical health.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 28, 2018, 03:20:53 pm
I'm curious to see what we come up with for a distraction.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 28, 2018, 03:25:05 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 28, 2018, 03:41:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 03:43:39 pm
Later you learn that he became quite a worker amongst noblemen, trying to ease tensions and resolve disputes amongst disgruntled ones.
1158 AD, Mid-Autumn
Diplomatic corps bring news; King of Rucus, or rather his court nobles, are quite interested in the furs and skins of rare and prized animals from the north, and are willing to negotiate prices with your merchants.
A) Ha! And they think I will allow dealings with our enemies? Fat chance!
B) Sure, mayhaps we get a nice deal out of these talks!
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 28, 2018, 03:45:25 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 28, 2018, 03:46:01 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 28, 2018, 03:47:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 28, 2018, 03:47:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 03:51:41 pm
It would be nice to get tied up in trade with them. I'm not sure if it would make us much money with the passage tax, but I'd worry less about them coming for revenge. I'd rather not have worry about them runing across our Southern border while our armies are busy invading somebody else.
Post by: Prophet on March 28, 2018, 03:55:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 04:03:20 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 28, 2018, 04:09:11 pm
Also Bonus: If we trade with Rucus, we could arrange to conduct the actual transaction in Eval. Eval is an independent vassal that sits between us and them, so I doubt our passage tax would apply on their lands.I don't see why it wouldn't; as a vassal state, they're part of the Empire. Of course, it's possible that it might not, but I wouldn't assume that. That said, of course... shouldn't we, as Emperor, be able to exempt any particular merchants from the passage tax at will? :P
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 04:13:42 pm
Remember, before it collapsed, the Damdamian empire seemed to have several whole kingdoms as vassals. Speaking of, is Eval still a Duchy, or did it get upgraded to a Kingdom because its overlord is an emperor?
Post by: Haspen on March 28, 2018, 04:17:55 pm
Would be worthy of it if it got its own vassals, tho.
Post by: Prophet on March 28, 2018, 04:21:34 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 28, 2018, 04:47:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 28, 2018, 04:56:51 pm
Finally the diplomatic corps is paying off. All they brought us until now were, I think, 4 marriage proposals, half of which got turned down by our sons.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 28, 2018, 05:00:29 pm
Would be worthy of it if it got its own vassals, tho.
Eh. I'd think they'd be a duchy considering that they're not that big of a region, were a duchy when we conquered them, and the only time they tried to proclaim a king of Eval ended in defeat on their part.
Hmm... Sounds like if/when we take over Eldrican, we should feed Eval a decent chunk of the place.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 28, 2018, 05:40:40 pm
Our promoting a king could be seen as a laying an implied claim to (Greater) Lametania. After they themselves wrote up a guarantee of (quasi-) independence Rucus can't complain much if the Evalians make their own proclamation but we shouldn't be seen to be meddling.
Post by: omada on March 28, 2018, 09:35:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 12:16:41 am
1158 AD, Late Autumn
Crystalwater Ironbeak, a gigantic ethereal octopus, has come! Beware its acidic vomit!
This horrid, shiny, translucent creature as appeared one day, coming from between the Ironbone Mountains, and is currently laying waste to the Methiantese villages there, walking over them and killing the unlucky peoples with its vile excretions. The court urges you to do something!
A) I shall go personally slay this demon!!!
B) How do we resolve this? Simples! We wait till it wanders away on its own.
C) Wizard, we definitely need a wizard in this situation.
D) Time to send the Army in, our soldiers and machines will tear apart this ghostly octopus!
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 12:23:36 am
Post by: omada on March 29, 2018, 12:26:56 am
D to burn this thing
Post by: Rockeater on March 29, 2018, 12:31:28 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 12:37:33 am
It is ethereal. Physical violence may not be our best play. Plus, we havent played with a Wizard in a while.
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 29, 2018, 12:41:34 am
Although I do feel slightly tempted to go for A. But not completely tempted.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 29, 2018, 12:42:21 am
I don't like the word ethereal either.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 29, 2018, 01:26:55 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 29, 2018, 01:27:50 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 01:29:22 am
A Whats wrong with a 70 year old fighting a giant monster?
Let’s hold off on sucicide missions until Owyn is of age please.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 02:23:51 am
Thus, C!
Post by: crazyabe on March 29, 2018, 06:50:37 am
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on March 29, 2018, 07:25:14 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 29, 2018, 08:12:53 am
If we're going to search for a wizard, and for an ethereal creature it may be necessary, we should begin as soon as possible.
We often get to try the other things while we wait for one to show up.
A Whats wrong with a 70 year old fighting a giant monster?
What's wrong with sending a 70 year old on a ridiculous quest of courage, wit, and physical strength?
Besides, Cyl is only 59.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 29, 2018, 08:14:13 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 29, 2018, 08:29:28 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 29, 2018, 11:38:50 am
There are other adult relatives we couldsacrificeemploy too. Maybe we don't need a wizard? Send Leath's son Cyl from the dungeon. Tell him if he can defeat the ethereal octopus single-handed we'll hand over the crown. If he's strong-willed enough to rule he'll find a way.
THIS.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 11:41:31 am
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 12:04:16 pm
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Less than a week later, one is found wandering along the roads just north of the capital, and upon nagging of your courier, is sent to the palace.
The man is dressed in simple hooded robe of white beige fabric. His beard is long, soft and like snow in color. His two green eyes sparkle like emeralds.
"I have heard that this human society requires me services. I'm a servant of good, thus I have listened to the plea, and here I am, knowing what troubles you; it is Crystalwater Ironbeak, the servant of ether, who has wandered into your nation, and is causing destruction with its careless sleepwalking. But I also know how to solve your problems, yet you must know that my services are not for free. How shall I be paid, however, it is a question for you to answer, as you can see I need no riches nor material items in my life."
You decide to...
A) Offer him a place in your court for how long he wants, and access to all the luxuries he would ask for.
B) Offer him a magical item, The Rainbow Scepter, crafted by and infused with powerful Dwarven magics.
C) Offer him a Ducal title and ownership of a city, and even autonomy from your rule and freedom from taxation, if he so desires.
D) Admit that you do not know what to offer him, and therefore ask him to name his price.
E) Demand him to lend his services for free - because you're Emperor, and nobody refuses the Emperor!
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 12:09:25 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 29, 2018, 12:09:59 pm
D
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 12:11:33 pm
Post by: omada on March 29, 2018, 12:12:19 pm
the only kind of magician court member we will have will be of a minor arcane one, those wizards seens like they are Lord of the rings "angels" type
Post by: Rockeater on March 29, 2018, 12:14:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 12:20:36 pm
A doubt a benevolent wizard will ask for too much of us. If it is a zanny quest he needs completed, we have a wise son who could take care of it in our stead.
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 12:32:25 pm
"A long ago, there was a powerful dynasty, and one of its leaders was a powerful king. He now sits, under the lake of two fish, waiting, for his burial was indecent and respect was not given to him. If you can find him, and perform three tasks to restore his honor and let him earn his place in the halls of afterlife, I will consider this a good enough deed to be a payment."
You tell him that you will send one of your brave and wise sons to-
"No, this is a task that you must do yourself, because it is you who have called upon me, and it is you who seeks my assistance."
A) "Agreed, I shall restore the honor of the King under two-fish lake!"
B) "Nah, I cannot do this. How about..." (pick another choice from the list above if you take this route)
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 12:35:09 pm
I trust the Wizard would not send us to do something we are incapable of.
Post by: Rockeater on March 29, 2018, 12:37:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 29, 2018, 12:37:17 pm
I don't, but, rip.
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 12:43:02 pm
I think it's usually possible to back out of a quest if we're really terrible at it. Here's hoping a trip to the country'll cure that rheumatism.
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 12:48:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 12:49:20 pm
A
I think it's usually possible to back out of a quest if we're really terrible at it. Here's hoping a trip to the country'll cure that rheumatism.
I think adventure is more likely to cure reclusiveness.
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 12:57:32 pm
Your courtiers help you find the two-fish lake, its Daisk Lake just few hours northeast from Tven Mountains and into the border of Cydwyl.
The next morning, you leave the courtiers in charge of the Empire and as co-regents of little Owyn, and you're off.
Congratulations! Cyl I embarks on an Epic Quest!
Cyl will carry with himself some Supplies. Each time he rests, either because of the time or wounds or exhaustion, he will use some of these. He needs some on return journey, or else he will starve!
A week later, you leave a house of nobleman who has given you even more supplies than you left the palace with. (Supplies: 11)
Lake Daisk is a remote location, and no settlements are near it, for it has no inflow nor outflow, and fish does not live there, making the reed-guarded lake not of real use to humans.
Apparently, there's a road through nearby hills that leads to it in somewhat snaky way, but from what you learned from the nobleman, a willow-peppered marsh separates it from the civilization.
A) Taking the marsh will bring us to our goal faster.
B) Taking the road will be safer and easier.
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 12:59:55 pm
Also I just remembered that we're descended from the Luathbas Houlandin kings through Cyl's grandmother. I do believe that makes us like waaaaay distantly descended from an that one Elf lady we married as Houlandin III in the first game. It was fun having all those fanciful races interacting with us more during the time of Luathbas. I do believe we even had two fanciful races as subjects to our Kingdom at the time. The Hurthlings and the Fomorians. I don't believe we've ever actually heard anything about the Fomorians since the ones that lived under us died in that one battle. I wonder where the rest of their race went? Unless the ones that lived under our rule were the only ones that existed? ???
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 01:03:32 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 29, 2018, 01:03:41 pm
Wait, one of our kings banged an elf? when did this happen?
Post by: Rockeater on March 29, 2018, 01:04:11 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 01:04:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 01:09:11 pm
B
Wait, one of our kings banged an elf? when did this happen?
Supposedly in the first Spamkingdom game, which I never got around to reading myself. I know that game is also the reason that some people here don't like the Parsians or Damdaminas much.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 29, 2018, 01:15:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on March 29, 2018, 01:16:15 pm
Also the Damdamins turned a vassal against us (hum... Hello Evalians...) and attacked alongside the dwarves (yes, dwarves have always been pricks that eventually betray you) which ended the first game.
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 01:22:17 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on March 29, 2018, 01:23:18 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 01:25:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 01:28:17 pm
Yeah that damn Kiwi traitor Beren! We did so much for him and he stabbed us in the back the first chance he got! I'll never trust those lying Damdamian dogs after what they did to Luathbas!
Well, the good news is Rucus doesn't appear interested in conquering us. They had us on the ropes after we sorely provoked them, but they let us go. Especially if we start trading with them, I wouldn't be too worried the Damdamian's to our immediate south unless they reform their empire once more.
Post by: omada on March 29, 2018, 01:51:52 pm
Also the Damdamins turned a vassal against us (hum... Hello Evalians...) and attacked alongside the dwarves (yes, dwarves have always been pricks that eventually betray you) which ended the first game.
The dwarves didn't attacked us, it was the kiwi kingdom that betrayed us. The dwarves even "helped" us in battle, for a price. in the end the dwarves didn't wanted damdamians to conquering all stuff because the cult of the damed don't accept any non-human race
the only game the dwarves attacked us was in this game and only under Cyl's rule
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 02:02:59 pm
Quote from: Omada
the cult of the damed don't accept any non-human race.
Shit. If it wasn't for our pet Hurthlings, we might have ended up aligning with the Damdamians during our dwarf hating years then. I'm kinda shocked they didn't make any real effort to reach out to us.
Post by: Arlos on March 29, 2018, 03:44:02 pm
Quote from: Omadathe cult of the damed don't accept any non-human race.
Shit. If it wasn't for our pet Hurthlings, we might have ended up aligning with the Damdamians during our dwarf hating years then. I'm kinda shocked they didn't make any real effort to reach out to us.
They do make effort, all the time, but we had been refusing any preaching of the cult for centuries (and multiple dynasties) until we decided for religious Equality that is.
The cult of the Damned fucked us up quite a few time.
Lametania is now aligned with them by the way.
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 03:54:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 03:56:50 pm
I'll always support a personal conversion back to proper Luathbasian Pantheonism but never traitorous Damed worship! Pantheonism is best religion. *Nod*
Would be completely OOC for Cyl. Pantheonism killed his father and stole his son.
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 04:00:08 pm
As you traverse the hills, the road slowly becomes overgrown by grass and singular cobblestones covered by dirt accumulated over years of disuse. Finally, you find yourself, surrounded by hills.
A) Time to take the road back and navigate through swamp.
B) I'm sure I can locate the lake and navigate my way outta here.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 29, 2018, 04:01:47 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 29, 2018, 04:01:54 pm
We're old, we never get lost, we just take our time getting someplace.
Post by: ZBridges on March 29, 2018, 04:06:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 04:08:17 pm
Post by: Rockeater on March 29, 2018, 04:09:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 04:11:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 29, 2018, 04:16:06 pm
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It takes you a long while to locate the lake. The sun is basically hanging over the horizon when you finally step up to the shores of Daisk lake. You set up a camp for the night.
(Supplies: 10)
When you wake up, you grimace; a lovely, thick, milky fog has rolled over the area.
A) Let's wait a couple hours, mayhaps it will get clear in here.
B) No time to waste though! Where's the entrance to the 'underlake'?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 29, 2018, 04:18:15 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 29, 2018, 04:20:59 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on March 29, 2018, 04:21:38 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 29, 2018, 04:21:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 29, 2018, 04:31:13 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 29, 2018, 04:42:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 29, 2018, 04:43:19 pm
This fog could be a manifestation of the curse. Let's observe for a bit.
Post by: helmacon on March 29, 2018, 05:04:23 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2018, 06:11:16 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 29, 2018, 06:23:07 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 29, 2018, 07:10:12 pm
Post by: omada on March 29, 2018, 10:02:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 30, 2018, 12:03:16 am
By the noon, the fog clears and you have a good sight of the lake. It is flat, and naught an animal nor fish seems to be inhabiting it or its surroundings.
The coast of the lake is mostly clear, while there's some small mounds and hills on the other side of it. Where's the entrance to the 'under', though?
A) Time to check every uneven spot of grass!
B) Obviously the mounds, that's where it is!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 30, 2018, 12:07:51 am
Post by: helmacon on March 30, 2018, 12:49:17 am
Post by: omada on March 30, 2018, 12:52:27 am
Post by: ZBridges on March 30, 2018, 01:36:15 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 30, 2018, 03:47:11 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 30, 2018, 03:49:37 am
Post by: Rockeater on March 30, 2018, 04:34:56 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 30, 2018, 08:58:09 am
The problem may be that the body is not properly inside his barrow. But we can check those first so later we know which one is sans king.
Post by: Prophet on March 30, 2018, 11:20:59 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 30, 2018, 11:28:57 am
Post by: omada on March 30, 2018, 07:30:30 pm
WHEN HURTHLING WINE IS DONE, SELL IT TO DWARVES
GOOD NIGHT PEOPLE
I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM WRITING IN CAPSLOCK BUT I AM LAUGHING
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 30, 2018, 07:36:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 31, 2018, 03:56:53 am
As the evening comes, your search is fruitless. Curse the obvious time-wasting features!
(Supplies: 9)
The next morning, you decide to look around the flatter areas near the lake.
And the afternoon comes, when you finally find an entrance to a cave, hidden by bushes. It is a very shallow cave, so shallow that the sunlight, even at this time, provides sufficient brightness. Dirt and rock mixes in the floor and walls.
A) This ain't the cave I'm looking for.
B) This is the cave I'm looking for, right?
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 31, 2018, 03:57:47 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 31, 2018, 04:40:41 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on March 31, 2018, 04:52:51 am
Who knows, it could have... hidden depths!
Post by: Rockeater on March 31, 2018, 04:56:17 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 31, 2018, 08:08:51 am
It's a toss up between following another false lead or backtracking later.
Post by: helmacon on March 31, 2018, 11:17:51 am
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 07:39:29 am
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You look it inside and outside...
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Hours pass, and one moment you trip over a rock and hurt your knee. Damn old age!
You decide to rest till morning. (Supplies: 8 )
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That's when you finally get some progress; after digging in one of the walls, it crumbles, revealing... a staircase?
Slowly, you walk down the stairs, the sun shining straight into the cave entrance and onto your back. You reach the end of the stairs, a small chamber dug in dirt. A jarring set of furniture was stacked here; a dull metal sarcophagus, and a shiny stone chair, on which there is an old man sitting!? His skin looks as if stretched over bones, his hair is sparse and thin, and his eyelids are so puffed that his eyes are barely visible thin lines of white.
"Who goes 'ere... barging into the home of King Feodh of Luathbas..." A sound raspier than a rock being grated on scrub board fills your ears.
A) I am Emperor of Methiant, King of Ceodwell and Felonsein, Duke of Eval, Overlord of Donuth - Cyl the First!
B) I'm a simple peasant.
C) I'm a humble traveler, searching for answers.
D) I am Cyl of Methiant.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 07:47:33 am
Mind you, he probably doesn't know what Methiant is, but it's still reasonably truthful without insulting him.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 01, 2018, 07:50:09 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 01, 2018, 07:54:15 am
Post by: Imic on April 01, 2018, 07:55:49 am
Might as well impress him.
Hang on, was he one of ours, or was he from the old Luathbasian dynasty, before we came around?
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 07:59:13 am
"Ne'er heard of it... you must've travel'd a lot, so tell me, how fares Luathbas..."
A) It is doing well.
B) Like many before and after it, it ultimately fell after decades of glory and prosperity.
C) Its lands are now part of the glorious Empire of Methiant!
D) Never heard of this place, was it some backwater country or something?
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 08:00:41 am
Hang on, was he one of ours, or was he from the old Luathbasian dynasty, before we came around?
One of ours, and actually the last king of Luathbas (he was succeeded by Elana of Tven, followed briefly by her daughter Aife before we fell into complete bankruptcy after having our shit pushed in by Damdamians).
EDIT: Aha, a post!
B seems like the best answer. Let's not confuse him with Imperial trivia even if we founded the damn thing.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 01, 2018, 08:02:00 am
Lets not mention it was during his wifes reign that it fell, in part to a deal he made.
Post by: Iituem on April 01, 2018, 08:02:37 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 08:10:26 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 01, 2018, 08:17:24 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 01, 2018, 08:36:15 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 09:08:23 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 01, 2018, 09:23:59 am
Post by: Prophet on April 01, 2018, 09:43:41 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 10:05:56 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 11:45:35 am
Post by: Imic on April 01, 2018, 11:48:44 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 12:03:41 pm
Our task involves putting right this ancient wrong:
"A long ago, there was a powerful dynasty, and one of its leaders was a powerful king. He now sits, under the lake of two fish, waiting, for his burial was indecent and respect was not given to him.
Over in the Lore thread Harry Baldman linked to Feodh's reign in the first SPAMKINGDOM game; I read a bit past his era and it turns out Feodh was given a no expense spared burial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159974.msg7326382#msg7326382).
They could have misidentified the corpse, there were other victims eaten by the hydra. It's also possible we're talking to the wrong undead guy. Or IT's lying.
Post by: Iituem on April 01, 2018, 12:06:16 pm
Uh, I hate to bring this up, but...
Our task involves putting right this ancient wrong:"A long ago, there was a powerful dynasty, and one of its leaders was a powerful king. He now sits, under the lake of two fish, waiting, for his burial was indecent and respect was not given to him.
Over in the Lore thread Harry Baldman linked to Feodh's reign in the first SPAMKINGDOM game; I read a bit past his era and it turns out Feodh was given a no expense spared burial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159974.msg7326382#msg7326382).
They could have misidentified the corpse, there were other victims eaten by the hydra. It's also possible we're talking to the wrong undead guy. Or IT's lying.
...oh crap. We're fucked.
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 12:06:32 pm
"I'm tired... why can't you go away?..."
A) I'm here to restore your lost honor.
B) I'm here to fulfill a quest and save my Empire.
C) I'm here to tell you that I will proudly continue your legacy.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 01, 2018, 12:08:34 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 12:10:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 12:13:34 pm
Simple and true. If he's not the right guy, ask for directions and leave.
If something is troubling him, see what we can do.
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 12:19:10 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 01, 2018, 12:20:04 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 01, 2018, 12:29:03 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 12:38:05 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 01, 2018, 01:12:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 01:56:56 pm
Hopefully a king who died fighting a Hydra will by sympathetic towards an emperor trying to save his people from a megabeast.
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 01, 2018, 02:21:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 03:38:50 pm
"For once I thought someone came to take care of me... but fine, tis a noble endeavour too." He shrugs, and then thinks for such a long while you wonder briefly if he has fallen asleep.
"Bring me the two fabled inhabitants of the lake above... I'm starving."
A) Hungry eh? I have plenty of nourishment right here!
B) That's a stupid thing to ask of me!
C) Wait here, I will get your fishies.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 03:40:17 pm
Oh god. We are going after monster fish, ain't we?
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 03:40:38 pm
Seems reasonable. Three tasks, was it?
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 03:42:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 01, 2018, 03:45:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 03:54:15 pm
As you leave the cave, you notice the sun is slowly going toward the horizon. It is not dark yet, but the sky above has already started to change its hue into orange tones.
A) Let's rest for the night.
B) Let's hurry then!
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 01, 2018, 03:54:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 03:56:05 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 03:57:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 04:05:13 pm
Ah, nothing like fishing during sunset.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 04:09:41 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 01, 2018, 04:11:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 04:19:43 pm
Grabbing a sharp enough branch, the only fishing tool you can get in this remote location, you enter the shallows of the lake and wait.
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Evening comes, and the sky turns dark, and you get nothing.
A) Let's continue the fishing.
B) Let's complain to the old man.
C) Let's camp for the night.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 04:21:04 pm
You can catch your death out by the lake at night.
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 04:24:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 04:25:45 pm
I wish we got a lore roll to know what sort of things we are fishing for. Some fishes are easier to catch at different times of day. Early morning is always a good bet though, so might as well rest.
Post by: ZBridges on April 01, 2018, 04:28:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 04:42:30 pm
(Supplies: 8)
You wake early in morning, when the skies are still grey and the sun isn't out completely. It's best time to fish, some say at your court.
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You spot a black silhouette and stab it, hitting it right where it counts! You pull up the bastard, and notice that it is some hideous breed between an eel and a fish, with its face opening three-ways, exposing three rows of needle-like teeth. A bite from this thing would be hella nasty and you're glad you didn't have to fight it.
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Finally, perhaps in search of its missing compatriot, the fish-eel gets to the shallows and you stab at it, but this time you miss. Much to your horror though, it springs out of the water, clapping it jaws at your face!
Fortunately you manage to cover yourself with your hand. The pain of your flesh being punctured by the needle teeth is terrible, but you gonna shake the beast off!
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The weight of the eel and the pain in your hand causes you to lose your balance and you fall into the water!
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With some good smacks against the rocks, you knock the fish out. You're feeling terrible, so you drag both fishes out, stab the second one for good measure, and rest to lick your wounds.
(Supplies: 7)
It's evening when you feel well enough to return to the King. You place the fish in front of his seat, and that's when he lifts his head a bit.
"Mm, yes, these will make some good eatin'..." He comments, and again, he freezes in his spot for a lengthy period of time before speaking again.
"My bed is undone... would you kindly clean it...?" The problem is, there's no bed.
A) I had enough of your delusions!
B) Obviously there are more hidden rooms here.
C) Maybe he means his sarcophagus?
Post by: crazyabe on April 01, 2018, 04:43:58 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 01, 2018, 04:44:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 04:45:21 pm
C, seems the most bedlike thing about.
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 04:45:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 01, 2018, 04:45:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 04:52:24 pm
When you turn around, the old King is gone (and so are the fish-eels). On his chair there's now some bone dust, half a skull, and two curious artifacts; a golden crown, and a small, sheathed knife. Both look rather old.
So, ummm...
A) Aha, this means I did well enough! Time to return home!
B) Did I miss something? Is there another NPC I need to talk with?
Post by: crazyabe on April 01, 2018, 04:52:54 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 04:54:13 pm
Ye forgot to put the body back in the bed ye silly lump.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 04:55:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 05:00:41 pm
You scoop up the bone dust from the chair and place it into the sarcophagus, and the remainder on the skull on top of the dust. You look at the chair and the two items that remain there.
Out of pure curiosity, you check the crown and the knife; the crown is ancient, and bears the marks of Kingdom of Luathbas! Whether it is ceremonial or regal crown, you're not sure, but you could claim to be restorer of Luathbas with this.
The knife, you pull out, is surely magical or at least from magical metal. It has the polish and sharpness that absolutely cannot belong to a weapon as old as the sheath and the handle would indicate, but there it is, not touched by rust or grime. You wonder if this is Sky Iron, rumored to kill monstrosities and mystical beings. After all, King Feodh did have one, from what you remember from the stories of old.
Ultimately, you decide to...
A) Keep both, Feodh's body has been already put to rest.
B) Return to crown to King Feodh, but he sure doesn't need the knife!
C) Put them both into the sarcophagus, just to be sure.
D) Seize the crown for yourself, the knife can remain here though.
Post by: ZBridges on April 01, 2018, 05:03:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 01, 2018, 05:03:49 pm
We technically could make off with both (since the crown is supposed to pass to the next king and artifacts aren't buried with their owners anyway) but I'd feel bad about stealing from someone so much worse off than ourselves.
Post by: Rockeater on April 01, 2018, 05:04:25 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 01, 2018, 05:05:09 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 05:07:00 pm
Maybe we can ask the kindly Wizard whether either artifact might be safely claimed later.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 05:10:08 pm
We are not Luathbas. We are Methiant! No need for the crown.
I'm sure that Stuborn Cyl still wants to get his sword back from the dwarves, so claiming another artifact blade would be OoC for him.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 05:10:46 pm
And our own crown is superior by virtue of being imperial, which Luathbas never managed despite the nostalgia surrounding the dynasty today.
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 05:14:32 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 01, 2018, 05:18:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 05:19:05 pm
It would provide cassus belli for an invasion though, given that we hold the crown of their ancient king, and therefore hold a claim upon Luathbas.
We already own much of Luathbas tho. I'm not sure there is much left to invade. Koi maybe? But we already have Cassus Belli against their silver withholding master.
Post by: Iituem on April 01, 2018, 05:46:38 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 01, 2018, 05:53:57 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 05:58:41 pm
Ahhh SO NOOOOW YOU DONT WANT TO GRAVEROB? Graverobbing is a time honored tradition that has never had negative consequences.
Yeah, but this time if we fuck it up it is our own ass physically on the line. Also, don't want to mess anything up until the wizard makes the megabeast go poof.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 06:04:08 pm
But still voting not to let down the wizard. Immortal avatars of Syrupy Goodness get so judgy sometimes.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 06:09:47 pm
Ya know, it was really robbing dwarf or elf graves that caused any bother. Opening up the Tygwand (human pre-Luathbas) tomb netted us a nice ceremonial staff.
But still voting not to let down the wizard. Immortal avatars of Syrupy Goodness get so judgy sometimes.
Do we know for sure that the tomb with the murder necklace was actually elfish? I don't think we do.
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 06:16:51 pm
After a moment of thinking, you walk up the stairs. As you emerge into the sunlight, you turn around one last time to peek down the staircase, but the tunnel downwards is gone. The cave is shallow and there's no indication of any hidden tunnel! Even after you dig in the spot you swear should lead you to stairs, you get naught but even more dirt under your fingertips. Very mysterious.
You decide to head home.
1158 AD, Winter
You return just in time before the first snowfall, and just as reports from mines arrive; silver ended in the Treasury, while gemstones were sent north.
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After you finish your bath, the healers wrap fresh bandage onto your wound, and you finish your evening meal, the guards says that the Wizard has returned for late audience. You quickly arrange a meeting.
He nods at your direction.
"You have done a great honorable deed, human. For that, I shall go and fulfill my end of the bargain. Crystalwater Ironbeak will soon be gone." The Wizard leaves, and the guards say he disappeared into thin air after crossing the moat bridge. Peculiarities keep pilling!
One week later, you receive a report from the southlands; apparently, only moonlit night, the ghostly octopus met and apparently stopped before a lone, hooded traveler. They regarded each other in a fashion, and then Crystalwater turned around.
Your scouts have tracked the beast into Ironbone Mountains before a sudden blizzard made it worse. They lost sight of the octopus somehow, and after the weather cleared, it was nowhere to be seen.
Nonetheless, citizens around the Empire are already celebrating the fact that the monstrosity is gone!
1158 AD, Midwinter
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An unfortunate thing befell your family; it seems that during his 'voyages' into political world, Saenn has indulged in way too many parties and social gatherings, and he has developed quite a taste for wine; in fact, he gained a reputation of a drunkard! It does not befit an Emperor's son to be a raging alcoholic, now does it??
A) I've gotta disown this failure of a son!
B) If that's how he has to cope with loss of his family, then so be it.
C) It seems that a heartfelt conversation is long overdue.
Post by: ZBridges on April 01, 2018, 06:21:22 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 01, 2018, 06:22:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 06:23:25 pm
Does the fact that we have option C without having to flip for it mean that we have gotten over our own reclusiveness?
Post by: Prophet on April 01, 2018, 06:28:16 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 06:30:58 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 01, 2018, 06:36:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2018, 06:39:31 pm
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You get nowhere with this. After some slurred yelling, he just leaves for his chambers. Not a long while later you hear he ordered the maids to bring him even more wine.
A) Alright, that's enough. Outta the palace with him!
B) Fine, he can knock himself out with his drinks!
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 06:41:25 pm
Usually, I wouldn't care, but fewer heirs = greater chance of giving the Empire to King Erik.
Post by: crazyabe on April 01, 2018, 06:42:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 01, 2018, 06:43:28 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 06:43:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 01, 2018, 06:43:59 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 01, 2018, 06:45:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 06:58:30 pm
B I mean we've never really kicked out any of our sons for their problems before.
Yeah. We got rid of one for coming down with a bad case of the Clergy.
Post by: Prophet on April 01, 2018, 07:02:08 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 01, 2018, 07:04:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 01, 2018, 07:09:20 pm
I wonder how he's doing these days...
I'm not sure that is appropriate for the lore thread. We should pester the next Pantheonists about him next time they visit.
Post by: Prophet on April 01, 2018, 07:18:14 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 01, 2018, 08:02:44 pm
Although we definitely got to keep him out of sight. No remarriage for him.
Wait... won't his healthy trait offset the long-term ills of the booze? Appoint him ambassador to the Dwarves.
Post by: omada on April 01, 2018, 08:06:48 pm
B
Although we definitely got to keep him out of sight. No remarriage for him.
Wait... won't his healthy trait offset the long-term ills of the booze? Appoint him ambassador to the Dwarves.
that's, that's what I like to hear
Post by: Iituem on April 02, 2018, 04:28:42 am
B
Although we definitely got to keep him out of sight. No remarriage for him.
Wait... won't his healthy trait offset the long-term ills of the booze? Appoint him ambassador to the Dwarves.
Perfect! I know it isn't an option, but +1 to permanent dwarf embassy!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 04:48:38 am
B, he hasn't really made that much trouble for us yet.
Post by: Haspen on April 02, 2018, 04:55:20 am
1158 AD, End of the Year
The thin layer of snow on the cobblestones have already caused several accidents amongst your servants. Curse the wintery frost!
Anyways, here comes the Advisor. Like always, he has Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 2
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: 0
"Our Treasury barely made profits, my liege. The Treasurer is pushing for continuation of limiting of the Army budget, although your officers begin to grumble, as they feel this policy is taking away from their glory. We could also raise the taxes amongst peasantry for a year. The Imperial authority was mended somewhat by disappearance of the ghastly beast, rather than your statesmen' actions."
A) "We can do with higher taxes, but lets restore Army's budget."
B) "Budget cuts and higher taxes is what we need!"
C) "Tax is unnecessary, we will do well with continued budget cuts for the Army."
D) "Neither of these options appease me!"
"Of course the other question is; do you wish to issue an Edict"?
A) "Hell yeah!"
B) "Heavens no!"
Post by: Kashyyk on April 02, 2018, 05:03:12 am
Lets see if there are any edicts we can play with to get some extra money.
We could also declare war on Eldrican for that silver.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 05:03:44 am
Post by: ZBridges on April 02, 2018, 05:04:42 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 05:13:09 am
We have to kill the Recruitment Offices for sure. Afterward we can think about issuing the Settlement Policy to get the Pop up to 8 for extra tax and colonize Orcworld for potential resources.
Post by: Haspen on April 02, 2018, 05:29:51 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Introduce Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
Post by: ZBridges on April 02, 2018, 05:32:59 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 05:35:51 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 05:36:25 am
We're getting literally no benefit from them while paying a yearly cost and actually decreasing our military budget in the process. We can't afford the Settlement Policy yet because our budget is in a shambles, and the Fireblood Court has only begun to really pay off now (besides, our Empire was almost literally made on the back of the Thundercats and it'd feel a bit like a betrayal to leave them in the lurch now).
Post by: milo christiansen on April 02, 2018, 05:52:52 am
We're getting literally no benefit from them while paying a yearly cost and actually decreasing our military budget in the process.
IIRC, we were told it cost nothing when we are at the cap.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 06:11:59 am
We're getting literally no benefit from them while paying a yearly cost and actually decreasing our military budget in the process. We can't afford the Settlement Policy yet because our budget is in a shambles, and the Fireblood Court has only begun to really pay off now (besides, our Empire was almost literally made on the back of the Thundercats and it'd feel a bit like a betrayal to leave them in the lurch now).
Not only
IIRC, we were told it cost nothing when we are at the cap.but we were also told that the settlement policy is not a continuous drain, and, having just made our requisite budget cuts and tax increases, it seems like the smart thing to do is get that base expanded as soon as possible.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 02, 2018, 06:29:29 am
Revoke Recruitment Offices.
We're getting literally no benefit from them while paying a yearly cost and actually decreasing our military budget in the process. We can't afford the Settlement Policy yet because our budget is in a shambles, and the Fireblood Court has only begun to really pay off now (besides, our Empire was almost literally made on the back of the Thundercats and it'd feel a bit like a betrayal to leave them in the lurch now).
Revoke Recruitment Offices.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 06:30:02 am
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 07:16:05 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 02, 2018, 07:32:06 am
Edit: Changing vote
Once we have that done, we can consider settlement policy. It may not cost much to keep around, but I fear the costs of starting it up can't be afforded right just this moment.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 07:32:25 am
Enact Settlement Policy. More people, more taxes.
No, it's been explained that it's higher density of people=more taxes, not more people in general. Unless something really weird happens the settlement policy is more likely to decrease taxes then increase it. It could, if we're lucky, lead to finding a resource to take for more income. Assuming the low density of people in the area wouldn't make that impossible as well.
Elective Succession lets just do it. Merging into Ceodwell should give us extra income.
In addition we should make the war that we totally freaking should have made last time instead of attacking some rando that we're not even that hostile with. And attack the guy who fucking owes us a billion dollars in silver and owns a mine of it on our border.
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 07:37:55 am
I have so many questions before enacting settlement policy.QuoteEnact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
1) Is this mainly targeted at redistributing our people or attracting foreigners to move closer?
2) Do we even get a claim on the new territory? I have to assume so or else what are we paying for, but it doesn't actually say so. If they're discontented Methiantese, perhaps they'll set up their own state that just happens to share most of our culture and values at its start. If foreigners, perhaps they'll be grateful but not wish to be fully integrated – some sort of quasi-vassal at most.
3) Is it really a variable amount with "sudden, mass migration"? I would think it would be easier to put some regular money in a fund, first come first served sort of deal. We've done "regional improvements" before on a system of pay a few years, eventually get a yield of some sort (Zasitost, Tiftit, even central Methiant way way back).
4) Are we able to target a specific area, like the area between Tiftit and the northern Parsians, or even send all takers to homestead in Orcworld? Or do they just have to make an affidavit, "I swear on this non-denominational codice of Methiantese proverbs that I'm on my way to some wilderness"?
1. Both. People migrate much more into the country, slowly but steadily bringing the Population to 8, so you no longer need a chain of conquests, good harvests and festivals to bump it up.
2. They are sponsored by the Crown, thus they have to respond to the Crown. They would be almost 'next door', after all.
3. The moment you send 'colonists' to settle a specific area, you get a 1 drain. Otherwise, the policy is free (you might get extra events, too).
4. Yes, but even then you will get prompts that 'people want to move to unclaimed lands of X, pls sponsor per Policy guarantee'.
Word of god on settlement policy.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 07:40:43 am
Still keeping my vote, the ability to just pick our heir seems too good to pass up.
Post by: Twinwolf on April 02, 2018, 07:54:30 am
Post by: omada on April 02, 2018, 08:14:18 am
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Enact Settlement Policy so we can get a bonus tax next year
just don't wanna to revoke nothing right now
someone can count our budget again? I got lost right now how much money we are losing/gaining after we lost to rucus
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 08:25:33 am
Besides, the correct heir is already our heir right now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 08:42:26 am
I really don't think we need to piss off the nobility right now.
Besides, the correct heir is already our heir right now.
Still, there's something to be said for not having to worry about dynastic continuation at all (possibly ever again). We could elect our Albionese daughter-in-law as queen if we wanted to, or King Erik of Cydwyl, or whoever else seems appropriate as it comes up. I'm guessing Haspen will do it similarly to the Succession Council decisions and I've always enjoyed those.
And it'd let us shit on our few remaining sons one last time if we passed it, so there's that. Tempted to change my vote just to do that, but budgetary concerns for the moment seem more important.
Post by: Prophet on April 02, 2018, 08:45:50 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 09:15:24 am
someone can count our budget again? I got lost right now how much money we are losing/gaining after we lost to rucus
Sometimes I think I'm the only person besides Haspen who tracks this. Rucus we negotiated down monetary payments to a simple peace with Evalian autonomy.
Spoiler: (unofficial) Budget (click to show/hide)
I only recall the bit where Haspen said it was a yearly drain, does anyone have a link to where he says it doesn't cost anything at cap? Because if that's the case, yeah, settlement policy would be the sensible choice instead.
It's not really been said outright, only indirectly alluded, but by paying attention to the numbers you can see it happen.
Issue the Bill of Rights
I know this is not likely to win right now. But I don't care for the alternatives currently discussed. Bill of Rights sounds as though it is happiness insurance: we have a chance to avoid losing happiness in any given situation because the peasants have a sense of security that they would not otherwise feel. To those worried about masses demanding even greater rights, I would answer that the flip side is greater patriotism and attachment to their homeland. It's a political challenge, but I believe we can steer through the Renaissance.
Elective succession says outright it will upset nobles, our happiness is low and going lower from high taxes. Guaranteed revolts this year.
Settlement Policy is not a yearly drain but it creates pop-ups that can't be anticipated by the budget committee. This needs gold in the vault to work properly.
Revoking the recruitment offices is not particularly necessary at this time if we continue to practice fiscal restraint until Orcworld construction completes. (It will help if the fur trade does well, which is yet unknown.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 09:17:52 am
Elective Succession I mean Cyl pretty much does this anyway. Though my support is still with the little Houlandin III in the making.
Oh, wait, as I hit the post button I realised you might mean "currently growing up" by "in the making".
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 09:20:14 am
Sometimes I think I'm the only person besides Haspen who tracks this.
You probably are, because so long as you're doing it, no one else needs to put in the work!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 09:21:54 am
It's not really been said outright, only indirectly alluded, but by paying attention to the numbers you can see it happen.
I dunno, there's a lot of unknown quantities in that there budget. Don't think I'm entirely convinced without confirmation from Haspen.
Side note, would be useful to actually have a tally of income and expenditure as part of the report (you know, to have some hard numbers to work with) so we don't have to play an entire metagame of budget tracking, but maybe that's part of the gameplay vision somehow.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 09:24:20 am
I believe the only unknown quantity in the budget is the thing we haven't started yet, the fur trade. Although other things have random rolls, we know what those rolls were and can therefore work out the details.It's not really been said outright, only indirectly alluded, but by paying attention to the numbers you can see it happen.
I dunno, there's a lot of unknown quantities in that there budget. Don't think I'm entirely convinced without confirmation from Haspen.
Side note, would be useful to actually have a tally of income and expenditure as part of the report (you know, to have some hard numbers to work with) so we don't have to play an entire metagame of budget tracking, but maybe that's part of the gameplay vision somehow.
I'm 99% sure that "you don't see the ledgers, just the Number Scrolls" is the heart of the SPAM system.
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 02, 2018, 09:28:50 am
Bill of Rights.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 09:31:23 am
Our Treasury recovered somewhat, especially after we had to lay off some recruiters; the influx of men they create couldn't be paid by the Treasury.
Here is the most official reference that we don't pay for recruiters at the army cap. As I said, run the numbers yourself if you want to verify the (lack of) cost, or else you can take my word for it.
Edit: removed the question marks on the recruitment line that had snuck in during the process. I am satisfied with my calculations.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 09:35:10 am
I believe the only unknown quantity in the budget is the thing we haven't started yet, the fur trade. Although other things have random rolls, we know what those rolls were and can therefore work out the details.
I'm 99% sure that "you don't see the ledgers, just the Number Scrolls" is the heart of the SPAM system.
I think it's mostly just an artifact of the days when the income/expenditure system was a lot simpler than it is right now, or alternatively Haspen just hasn't thought that much about communicating the mechanical changes to us kind of like the Edicts were needlessly obfuscated as well.
Fair enough on the unknown quantities however, although with the Passage Tax it's not infeasible that we could actually be operating the fur trade at a loss compared to just selling the gemstones locally.
Our Treasury recovered somewhat, especially after we had to lay off some recruiters; the influx of men they create couldn't be paid by the Treasury.
Here is the most official reference that we don't pay for recruiters at the army cap. As I said, run the numbers yourself if you want to verify the (lack of) cost, or else you can take my word for it.
Well in that case
Enact Dat Settlement Policy!
Post by: Baffler on April 02, 2018, 09:41:59 am
Post by: omada on April 02, 2018, 09:51:30 am
Sometimes I think I'm the only person besides Haspen who tracks this.
In my defense, I used to keep track...
but sometimes I get lost in my own house
and it's small
I don't remember where the hell are my notes
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 10:15:47 am
There was one year during the dwarf tribute we got a one-time windfall, I don't recall exactly what. People saw the economy number and splurged even though our base "income" was negative. We could have coasted, instead the next year we were doing emergency cuts again.
Dirty little secret? I haven't been keeping perfect updates either, things have been going smoothly with few changes so I just match the scrolls to my head figures and call it good enough. The written form is on demand; my previous notes were for 1153. This year with the trade stuff happening was a good time to ask.
Post by: Haspen on April 02, 2018, 10:28:54 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 11:32:35 am
Oh yeah, this means that I got Economy rating wronk ;v
This is a situation where it feels traitorous to argue, but why? I reviewed before publishing and everything added up on my end.
Take out the Extra Tax in my 1159 budget (we didn't vote it last year) and it's +1. Take out the prospective glassware and it's zero.
Everything else should be the same – we sent the gemstones north last year but haven't received furs back yet. I didn't include a number for furs because guessing.
I didn't see any incidental expenses or incomes along the way.
Late Edit: Nevermind, I was going over it again and I see I left off the Religion Tax. OOPS.
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 02, 2018, 11:37:34 am
Bill of Rights or No Edict
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 02, 2018, 12:02:44 pm
Post by: Imic on April 02, 2018, 12:40:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 12:44:24 pm
Haspen, can we maybe have a quick Q&A time about edict effects to get everyone on the same page?
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 12:50:17 pm
Lets get one step closer to handing King Erik the throne!
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 12:51:04 pm
Man, this is a mess.
Haspen, can we maybe have a quick Q&A time about edict effects to get everyone on the same page?
You only want more information because your vote is loosing.
I say! Live in ignorance! It's for the best! :P
Post by: Imic on April 02, 2018, 12:52:37 pm
Elective Succession!Neeeeaaaaoooooooooooo
Lets get one step closer to handing King Erik the throne!
Nooooooooo.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 12:56:31 pm
Nooooooooo.Elective Succession!Neeeeaaaaoooooooooooo
Lets get one step closer to handing King Erik the throne!
Nooooooooo.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 12:56:52 pm
Revoke Fireblood Court: 1 (ZBridges)
Enact Settlement Policy: 5? (Maximum Spin, HB, Arlos, omada?, Baffler)
Introduce Elective Succession Laws: 7? (milo christiansen, Criptfeind, Twinwolf, omada?, Prophet, vastaghen, Weirdsound)
Revoke Recruitment Offices: 2 (VoidSlayer, birdy51)
Bill of Rights: 3? (mightymushroom, Lucus Casius, KingMurdoc?)
No Edict: 1? (KingMurdoc?)
It's a tighter race than usual but Elective Succession is ahead!
Post by: Iituem on April 02, 2018, 12:58:36 pm
I honestly think this isn't the right thing to do, but 'No Edict' will just lead to Elective Succession passing, which I strongly, strongly disagree with. Unfortunately, minus votes aren't an option.
Elective Succession is a great way to pass the throne out of our dynasty, losing the game. It's elective, not appointed. We don't get to choose our heirs any more if we pass this.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 01:00:37 pm
We don't get to choose our heirs any more if we pass this.It actually does say "allow the monarch to select".
I just oppose it because I like preserving our local traditions.
ETA: Also, I'm willing to bandwagon onto No Edict if everyone else is?
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 01:00:43 pm
Elective Succession is a great way to pass the throne out of our dynasty, losing the game. It's elective, not appointed. We don't get to choose our heirs any more if we pass this.
Really?
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Introduce Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
I don't think so.
Post by: birdy51 on April 02, 2018, 01:04:23 pm
I don't dislike choosing an heir freely, but I would rather wait until we are not at the cusp of peak unhappiness
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 02, 2018, 01:06:05 pm
We only loose if the Enpire collapses absolutely.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 01:07:02 pm
Edit: Also now that my vote is loosing I think we need to slow down and get more infomation.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 01:07:26 pm
Enact Settlement Policy
I don't dislike choosing an heir freely, but I would rather wait until we are not at the cusp of peak unhappiness
And I'd rather wait on adopting an expensive settlement policy until we are not on the cusp of financial collapse.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 01:07:51 pm
I'm pretty sure that our dynasty died at least once during the first span kingdom, the court just selects a new dynasty when it happens.
We only loose if the Enpire collapses absolutely.
It was in Spamkingdom+, yeah, when Merachd of Tven got murked and replaced with the much more successful and completely unrelated Estwalf of Tven.
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 02, 2018, 01:08:55 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 01:13:02 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 02, 2018, 01:22:21 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 01:38:26 pm
What expensive? It’s free... I even put a quote and all that.Enact Settlement Policy
I don't dislike choosing an heir freely, but I would rather wait until we are not at the cusp of peak unhappiness
And I'd rather wait on adopting an expensive settlement policy until we are not on the cusp of financial collapse.
Post by: crazyabe on April 02, 2018, 01:40:26 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 02:01:18 pm
What expensive? It’s free... I even put a quote and all that.
Umm... It literally has no upper limit on how much money it will cost us.
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Enact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Post by: helmacon on April 02, 2018, 02:28:24 pm
Raising taxes at 4 happiness? Are you people mad? Rebellions start at 3!
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 02:38:13 pm
What expensive? It’s free... I even put a quote and all that.
Umm... It literally has no upper limit on how much money it will cost us.QuoteEnact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
See my quote one page 625
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
To repeat and expand the bold part:
QuoteEnact Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
...
4. Yes, but even then you will get prompts that 'people want to move to unclaimed lands of X, pls sponsor per Policy guarantee'.
That is NOT free, it is just not annual. It even warns that RNG can screw us over. Which doesn't mean it will. But it can.
There's a part where it says "you send" as if the crown has agency here, but there's also the part where any random pioneer can come by looking for a handout. And we have promised to give it to them.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 02:54:14 pm
Settlement policy or No Edict
Raising taxes at 4 happiness? Are you people mad? Rebellions start at 3!
I'm not that afraid of rebellions. We got a +3 towards putting down the last one we faced.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 02, 2018, 03:42:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 02, 2018, 03:45:01 pm
I believe however that settlement policy has won by several votes at least (only elective succession came close) ;v
You decide to Enact Settlement Policy, as well as raise taxes amongst people as the Army needs to suffer money shortages for another year.
1159 AD, Spring
The diplomats return! They have managed to establish a trade treaty with merchants of the King of Rucus.
In the same time, the furs arrive from the north; you order them sent to Rucus immediately.
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5to6
Few days later you receive news from the Orcworld; the fortress has been finished!
1159 AD, Mid-Spring
First barrels of young wine from Tiftit arrive at your court. A small sampling of the wine makes your courtiers nod in approval.
The question is, what do we do with the Tiftit Springwine, now and in the future?
A) Trade it abroad for profits and fame.
B) Distribute it amongst Methiantese subjects.
C) Sell it locally to merchants and nobles.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 03:50:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 03:52:37 pm
C
Although reserve some of the finest casks to serve distinguished visitors?
Post by: helmacon on April 02, 2018, 03:53:08 pm
for the first year, we can change it later on.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 03:54:46 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 02, 2018, 03:55:01 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 02, 2018, 03:55:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 02, 2018, 04:02:23 pm
Post by: omada on April 02, 2018, 04:14:07 pm
B) hapiness increase? we will turn back to at least 4 but no money
C) sell to the nobles money
can we do C while looking for potential traders outside?
oh damn it, we might just get famous later and see people asking for wines
and then we maybe can colonize some lands to increase output
Post by: Haspen on April 02, 2018, 04:22:14 pm
1159 AD, Summer
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3to5
Merchants arrive from the south, having finished the lengthy caravaning and bringing profits to the Treasury! The Treasurer is very happy, as they almost match the profits brought by silver bullion from the mines!
Several days later, little Owyn, heir to the Throne of Methiant, falls ill with the dreaded swamp fever!
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1to4
The little boy fought bravely, but the vile sickness took him away from his mother's warm embrace.
The council gathers and you must make a decision. While it's not in any way official, your courtiers have this unspoken agreement that the drunk Saenn wouldn't do well on the throne, and some believe that with death of Owyn, Herta stopped having any say on Methiantese politics.
Therefore, you decide to choose...
A) Eivan as the heir to the throne of Methiant!
B) Saenn, because his alcoholism is only temporary!
C) Ustwelf! Recall him to Methe and appoint him as your heir!
D) Herta as a proof that stinkin' conservatives are in the wrong!
Post by: ZBridges on April 02, 2018, 04:24:11 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 04:24:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 02, 2018, 04:24:56 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 02, 2018, 04:25:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 02, 2018, 04:28:56 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 04:31:29 pm
We need a court physician or something, our family tend to catch mortal disease at a ridiculous rate.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 04:33:38 pm
Fuck. If we had adopted Elective Succession we could have named King Erik successor right now!
...
Also, all our options are adults. Wonder if we get the option to step down right away?
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 04:36:32 pm
A
Fuck. If we had adopted Elective Succession we could have named King Erik successor right now!
RIP
Missed our chance.
A is clearly the superior and most legal choice out of all these, but he has so many kids of his own that it takes pretty far away from folding Cydwyl... I'm half tempted to vote for some other shitty option so our next king can die without kids and try to fold in Cydwyl...
So... A I guess.
Post by: omada on April 02, 2018, 04:37:54 pm
A) wise king always a good (I think it will be the only kid that won't die because he will stay among he is books)
D) unknown queen (if we don't manage to make Cydwyl and methiant one under erik crown it will give us the best relation possible with the albionese, might upset some nobles)
E) call abis back
There should be an option to name Eirika our heir, that way the two lands don't merge on our death, they'll have until Eirikas death to ease the merger of the two lands and make it easier for everyone to get used too.
F) make Eirika our heir
don't step down right now
King Erik is probabling preparing his way to get dahnian and cydwyl to accept our political game
he don't accepted ouright because they might get upset, Erik is charismatic right? Maybe he can manage to do it
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 02, 2018, 04:39:02 pm
A is clearly the superior and most legal choice out of all these, but he has so many kids of his own that it takes pretty far away from folding Cydwyl... I'm half tempted to vote for some other shitty option so our next king can die without kids and try to fold in Cydwyl...
pirate empress
No but seriously it'd give us a pretty strong connection with Albion at least. Plus we could remarry Herta with someone from King Erik's own family, I'm sure he has like a brother or something.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 04:40:21 pm
She's also like, the eldest surviving kid I think? So, it'd be pretty legal to do so.
Post by: Prophet on April 02, 2018, 04:41:50 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 04:43:07 pm
I do like the idea of a Pirate Queen but, since she lacks any family ties now, that would mean the end of the Yoean dynasty, which just doesn't seem acceptable.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 02, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
A is the best choice. I really don't want to make Erik our heir anyway. Vassal, sure.
Why not? If you don't mind me asking? He's our grandson, his mother is, I think, our oldest still alive and not a priest child. Now that we can pass the line along female bloodlines it seems like he's a pretty good choice. Or if not him, his mother.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 02, 2018, 04:46:20 pm
pirate empress
If our happiness and authority were higher I would be more tempted, but right now I don't think we can pull it off.
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Plus we could remarry Herta with someone from King Erik's own family, I'm sure he has like a brother or something.
We matched his brother to our half-grandniece.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 02, 2018, 04:55:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 04:57:35 pm
Why not? If you don't mind me asking? He's our grandson, his mother is, I think, our oldest still alive and not a priest child. Now that we can pass the line along female bloodlines it seems like he's a pretty good choice. Or if not him, his mother.Mainly because Erik and his court are culturally Cydwyllian and it would basically be replacing the Empire of Methiant with the Empire of Cydwyl. The fact that the selection, and our having changed that law in the first place, would be against our local traditions also weighs against, as I like preserving the local traditions.
Post by: Prophet on April 02, 2018, 04:58:38 pm
As for his culture the Northmen are from what I understand closely related to Luathbasians! I believe that Erik and his bloodline could quickly be absorbed into the best culture in the world! Luathbasian!
I am also kinda curious about why we can choose a foreigner Princess who is completely unrelated to us by blood as heir but not our daughter Eirika or our grandson King Erik?
Post by: Kashyyk on April 02, 2018, 05:40:00 pm
Post by: Draignean on April 02, 2018, 05:41:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 02, 2018, 05:43:29 pm
I now announce my support of the Erik faction! He is of the best religion, of the right Bloodline, and will bring in Cydwyl into the fold! Truly the best possible Emperor to restore Luathbas!
As for his culture the Northmen are from what I understand closely related to Luathbasians! I believe that Erik and his bloodline could quickly be absorbed into the best culture in the world! Luathbasian!
I am also kinda curious about why we can choose a foreigner Princess who is completely unrelated to us by blood as heir but not our daughter Eirika or our grandson King Erik?
That Elective Succession Edict specifically allows foreign heirs. I suppose we have to pass that first.
Post by: Baffler on April 02, 2018, 06:09:14 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 02, 2018, 06:24:07 pm
Because I believe D to be an horrible choice
Post by: birdy51 on April 02, 2018, 06:59:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 11:24:59 am
ddddd
You go with the obvious choice and have Eivan as the heir to the throne!
1159 AD, Autumn
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1
The sales of wine from Tiftit turned out to be surprisingly low and barely evened out the costs of making it. Your merchants chalk it up to the pickiness of your nobles.
Important news come from Helliste - trade ships from a distant eastern land called 'Chia' have arrived in Helliste! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjmMrd1TWfM)
Apparently these intrepid, fat merchants come from shores not far southeast from Gan Minsong. They've brought dyes and fabrics similar to those used by Gans, as well as numerous new spices, fruits and exquisite new pottery type. It has this strange, shiny surface, 'decorated' with cracks and divided into plates but not a single drop of water seems to be leaking through those broken vessels.
The merchants themselves arrived in ships made of red wood (definitely not painted), which itself seems to be rather lightweight and bouyant. They even had few items made of wood, but just like the clay vessels, they had this dark red, even crimson, shine to them. Absurd pricing of these items by Chia merchants however prohibited all but few wealthiest Helliste merchants nobles from obtaining them.
Already there is quite some interest in these pottery wares by nobles of Helliste, and even those of Dahnia and Cydwyl. Seems that King of Helliste bought greatest amount of these eastern new items, numbering over 170.
A) Can I haz chiawares pls?
B) Our glass and wine are superior to anything the outsiders bring!
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 03, 2018, 11:29:04 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 11:29:51 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 11:39:21 am
Too rich for our blood.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 11:54:25 am
Too pricey. Helliste seems very rich though. I hope King Erik gets it in his head to make war upon Helliste soon. I'd like a cut of that plunder, and for our ally to control those yummy trade ports.
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 12:09:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 12:21:24 pm
1159 AD, Winter
Silver arrives in the Treasury, the gems are sent northwards.
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4
The glassware brought profits as well. Even better, the high quality of this year's shipments pleased nobles and merchants alike.
Goooooold!
The feverish news of huge gold deposits struck in the far northwest of Rainbow Lizard Mountains reach the court, causing many nobles to drool with greed. However, the Empire does not control these lands; its some intrepid prospectors and merchants, snooping around, who have found the precious ore.
You decide to...
A) Stake a claim on the area, in hopes of driving away potential competitors.
B) Rush the settlement policy and sponsor settling and claiming of the new rich deposits.
C) Ignore this event, the area is too far from your reach and too close to Eldricans.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 12:26:16 pm
It's like destiny itself has manifested somehow.
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 12:29:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 12:29:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 03, 2018, 12:37:52 pm
Rip econ
Post by: Arlos on April 03, 2018, 12:50:36 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 03, 2018, 12:52:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 01:22:49 pm
1159 AD, Midwinter
Apparently thousands of people heard both your call for move and the rumors of rich gold deposits. People are arranging themselves into caravans and groups of adventurers, and you hear that even whole families wander off into the unknown.
1159 AD, End of the Year
Tap tap tap, your wrinkly fingers go on the desk. You assume this would be the regular time for the Advisor to pop in with the Scrolls of Kingdom Status, but he is nowhere to be seen.
You wait a longer while, but even the highly dramatic blizzard outside doesn't seem to be bringing the old man in.
You decide to look for him in...
A) The wine cellar, he must've been over-sampling the beverages.
B) The grand library, surely he is looking for a misplaced accounting ledger.
C) The bedchambers, probably he is snoozing on a comfy chair somewhere.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 03, 2018, 01:24:10 pm
rip us
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 01:25:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 01:26:17 pm
Well, either we're dead or the advisor is and either way it's gonna be fun times ahead. Maybe we managed to untether his life from whatever evil curse it is that keeps both him and the Marshal alive through strange aeons.
Also it might make sense to have an option D: have our Shadowranks officers find him since we're too old and rheumatic to go look for the fucker.
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2018, 01:29:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 01:32:28 pm
Also it might make sense to have an option D: have our Shadowranks officers find him since we're too old and rheumatic to go look for the fucker.
But but but, the drama! The suspense!
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 01:33:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 01:36:50 pm
He ain't there.
A) To the wine cellars then!
B) To the bedchambers then!
C) Time to call Shadowranks cuz this is unnerving me.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 03, 2018, 01:37:38 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 01:37:49 pm
Better get the specialists on the job before we fall down some stairs while ambling around.
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 01:38:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 01:42:55 pm
He ain't there either!
A) So it's the wine cellar after all!
B) Shadowranks, I choose you!
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 01:43:57 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 01:44:14 pm
We're pretty close to the bed after all, it'd be a shame to go down to the cellars from here.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 03, 2018, 01:44:44 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 01:44:52 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 01:45:58 pm
B Actually wait let's not risk it. Cyl needs to live long enough to get Elective Succession passed.
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 01:49:38 pm
They can't find him either!
You grumble under your nose; why you must always do this yourself? You descend into the wine cellar...
"I GRAB THE BOY!" You hear a shout from a storage room in the cellar, and rush to the door, peeking inside.
Here is the Advisor! A nubile young scribe, wearing only pants, is in his clutches, looking mortified. There's also an old tome, open and laying on a dais, and a large wooden frame of a bed. An old, dusty mirror is hanging in the corner of the room, the reflection of half-moon rising above horizon visible.
"I LAY THE BOY ON THE BED!" Shouts the Advisor in feverish pitch as he pushes the youth on the wooden frame.
A) Truly he wants to violate the boy! I must act!
B) What is this I don't even. I should observe some more!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 01:52:45 pm
We can probably have him arrested later. Maybe call our officers over to check this shit out.
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 01:55:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 01:56:37 pm
Fuck. This is either rape, or some sort of magic ritual. Either way, I say we stop that shit.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 01:56:44 pm
This is not what it first looks like.
It's worse.
The reflection of a half moon in a mirror ... in the wine cellar?
We are so deep in black magic.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 01:58:15 pm
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on April 03, 2018, 02:01:42 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 03, 2018, 02:04:59 pm
. . . This is probably one of the only times I've found myself wishing it was rape.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 02:07:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 02:15:29 pm
"I POSITION THE RAY TOWARDS THE BOY!" He says as the mirror adjusts itself to shine the moonlight onto the boy. That's when you jump yourself on the Advisor! You two are trying to grapple each other as the young scribe screams in agony as the moonlight grows him a beard and wrinkles his skin! So that's how they maintain a steady continuation of elderly Advisors! By magical rituals!!
"Your Majesty I must continue For the good of the Empire!" He yells at you angrily.
"Your Majesty unhand me at once!"
"Your Majesty!"
"Your Majesty??"
You lift your head from your shoulder and blink in surprise. The Advisor is shaking you by your arm, as you have snoozed off in your study.
That was some... nightmare, you guess. But the Advisor has woken you up from dream, the Scrolls of Kingdom Status packed under his other arm. After a moment, you rub your face to shake off the tiredness and the vellum scrolls are laid upon your desk.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 7
Economy: 6
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: 0
"The settlement policy costed us a little bit, but on other hand, the statesmen managed to raise your authority after recent edict-issueing. The Treasury has also filled quite well; therefore there's no need to cut the Army's budget anymore!"
SLAM! Goes the door as the Marshal arrives, his winged helmet on and his hand saluting you.
"Greetings, Emperor! Our Army is in best shape and it will have funding once more, therefore, shall we go on mighty conquest for glory and victory!?"
You decide to...
A) Assault the Parsian heathens!
B) Forcibly make Cydwyls more than allies!
C) Make things even with the deal-breaking Eldricans!
D) Try again with Lametanians and Rucus, this will work this time!
E) Take war to the lands of Dwarves to prove the human superiority in both fighting and weaponry!
F) Keep the peace.
"Meanwhile, we should think about imperial administration - shall you issue an Edict this year?"
A) "Sure thing."
B) "Next year, yes."
Post by: crazyabe on April 03, 2018, 02:19:08 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 02:20:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 02:20:53 pm
A Elective Succession!
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 03, 2018, 02:21:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 02:22:58 pm
Strange dark magic shit, and then our economy magically bounces back? Something is going on.
FA
I want to make war with the Eldricans, but until we know things are normal and not cursed with dark magic. Lets just pass elective succession. Perhaps the Eldricans will decide to stir shit up over our settlement policy anyway.
D Hey there... remember how you murdered our son?
A Elective Succession!
To be fair, our son started that shit, we are actively trading with them, and they have a martial leader. This is not a wise fight to pick.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 02:25:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 02:26:34 pm
A Still Elective Succession!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 02:29:02 pm
There should be an option to cut the Marshal's head off for the suggestion after what happened last time, to be perfectly honest. The nerve on the bastard!
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 02:31:43 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Introduce Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 02:32:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 02:33:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 02:34:00 pm
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Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2018, 02:34:57 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 03, 2018, 02:35:22 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 02:42:17 pm
The fuck?
Strange dark magic shit, and then our economy magically bounces back? Something is going on.
The black magic seems to have been a dream ... for now. (Our dad did go insane, after all.) The economy bouncing back was combination of budget cuts and fur trading. With all our new goods, our income is something like 3 or 4 even with military funding restored.
Spoiler: (unofficial) Budget (click to show/hide)
(I left out the Religion tax last year. Sorry.)
Establish Royal House of Learning
Let's get happiness at least one point higher before pushing another social reform that the nobles will hate.
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 02:45:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 02:46:23 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 03, 2018, 02:47:23 pm
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Why is there's no option to shove the army into the Orcworld for exploration?
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 02:47:49 pm
1160 AD, Spring
News come from other side of Rainbow Lizard Mountains; few settlements have been founded and already gold ore is being dug out for processing.
Silver arrives - from Eldrican!
"King Tetan I sends his regards and thanks the magnificent Emperor Cyl for his patience and magnaminosity."
A) "We accept the silver nobly and graciously. Tetan be praised for his honorable conduct!"
B) "King Tetan should speed things up; I'm losing patience, and I do not look upon unkept deals favorably!"
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 02:49:11 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 03, 2018, 02:49:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 02:50:00 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 02:50:12 pm
Somebody's clearly been paying attention to our Army score.
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2018, 02:50:52 pm
Well. A. May as well not be an asshole about it.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 02:51:43 pm
Ah well, an excuse for war will find us soon enough. Standing armies do not remain idle for long.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 02:51:58 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2018, 02:55:30 pm
Our son gets it!
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 02:56:23 pm
And, we might recall that Erik politely declined. "I'll consider it," is diplomatic speech for "There are too many traditionalists." Given our army, I think we have a better shot at rescuing him from his nobles than he us from ours.
A
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 02:59:52 pm
"There's also one more thing." The envoy says, seemingly happy that you agreed to take the silver. "King Tetan's wife, Aisalia, has borne him his first daughter, Irvalina. He has been keeping a close eye on Methiant and learned that current heir to the throne, Eivan, has two sons to spare. Therefore he proposes that Irvalina and the younger one, Hein, be arranged for marriage, of course fifteen or so years from now, when they're both mature for the wedding oath."
A) "I will let Eivan decide."
B) "Eivan's second son? Surely Bjern, his firstborn, is better match!"
C) "I accept!"
D) "Thank you for the offer, but no."
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 03:01:42 pm
Prophet, I respectfully think you're bonkers. Methiant is larger and more prosperous than Luathbas. Let that worthy name lie snugly in the glory of its history.
And, we might recall that Erik politely declined. "I'll consider it," is diplomatic speech for "There are too many traditionalists." Given our army, I think we have a better shot at rescuing him from his nobles than he us from ours.
A
We rolled a 6 to make King Erik 'consider it'. I'd like to think that means he is actively working towards unification. And while I agree Methiant > Luathbas, I'm more than happy to play along with Prophet's bonkers dream if it means he plays along with my bonkers dream of peaceful unification.
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Oh hey. Hapsen ninja'd me with an update. I couldn't care about this either way, so A
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 03:03:42 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 03:03:48 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 03, 2018, 03:04:01 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 03:04:38 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 03, 2018, 03:04:57 pm
Honestly, I kind of like that our army is superior, but idle. We have the means of protecting our country from all challengers and our wealth is finally being sustained; so ideally, this would be where we enter our Golden Age and start focusing on the finer things of life; like wine, art, and science.
Our son gets it!
Maybe less this and more just having a generous army ready for when the inevitable geopolitical crisis comes along instead of running headlong into an international incident of our own making.
And yeah, A! We've let Eivan do like one thing in his entire life, might as well have him make some dynastic decisions now that they basically don't matter anymore.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 03:06:12 pm
He's the one who will have to live with the consequences, after all.
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 03:29:46 pm
"Of course, that is a decent match for Hein. I agree."
"And so do I, inform King Tetan that we accept his proposal." The envoy thanks you both profusely and leaves.
1160 AD, Mid-Spring
Eivan gets a
1160 AD, Summer
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Merchants arrive from the south, bringing tons of profits from selling of the furs and skins! Some courtiers report that the Treasurer did most unmanly squee at the sight of the numbers in the merchants' ledgers.
However, something ugly might be rearing itself on the horizon - religious disturbance.
Apparently, the three main faiths of Methiant - Alldivinism, Pantheonism and Singularism - are neither happy with top-imposed equality, and of course, the tax upon their churches. Your courtiers report that the high clergy of these three cults are to meet in the western city of Fela, to discuss the state of Methiantese spiritualism, piety of the peoples, relationship of faith and the state, as well as future of the nation.
Whether on purpose or by accident, you have not received an invitation to this incoming theological council, then again, you're not a religious figure...
A) Well I'm gonna elbow myself in! Do they really think they can make plans for Methiant without the Emperor getting involved?!
B) I allowed religious freedom and that means they're also free to discuss things between themselves.
C) It's better I send some observers, just to make sure that they know I'm keeping an eye on their movements.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 03:34:23 pm
Lets show up and play the hero by renouncing that wicked religious tax our son imposed. Cyl has always been a friend to the various cults of Methiant.
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 03:34:55 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 03:36:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 03:37:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 03:50:35 pm
You send the desire to join the council, and your courtiers in meanwhile learn the date of the council, scheduled for this year's Autumn month.
1160 AD, Midsummer
With the fortress at the edge of the world tunnel complete, the scholars wish to send another military-scientific expedition in the Orcworld! They wish to know, o Emperor, whether they should conduct more investigations in the ruins-covered grasslands to the far east, or mayhaps this time venture south, where the nowadays-unseen Ur-Uk might be dwelling.
A) South, to meet new civilizations!
B) East, dig me up something cool!
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 03:52:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 03:53:02 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 03, 2018, 03:53:52 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 03:58:40 pm
I don't feel like the Ur-Uk we met earlier showed all that much promise. But they might have truly exotic gems, furs, or something. Won't hurt to check.
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 04:00:05 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 04:00:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 03, 2018, 04:05:27 pm
You know I really hope that, against all odds, Eivan manages to actually survive long enough to take the throne and this "let's try to give the crown to Cydwyl" thing meets its end.
Post by: Arlos on April 03, 2018, 04:06:24 pm
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Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 04:35:07 pm
1160 AD, Autumn
Just as you're leaving for the council, a report comes from selling of the Tiftit wine.
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Apparently, the wine made profits this year. Noblemen also developed a taste for its fruity flavor, praising its quality and praising you for establishing such fine viniculture in Methiant.
Theological council of Fela (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPba-i26YNA)
After you're arrival, you're seated on a high chair in corner of the room. The other three corners of this large council chamber, in the old castle of Felonsein dynasty, are occupied by representatives of all other faiths. Singularists are opposite to Pantheonists, and Alldivines are seated across from you.
There are several topics that the clergy wishes to discuss. You suspect they would prefer that they decide on the order of discussions, but you can steer the council with the authority of imperial court, if you want?
You decide to...
A) Talk about the Religious Tax edict.
B) Talk about the Religious Tolerance edict.
C) Talk about outside faiths and possible dangers thereof.
D) Talk about state of religion in the Empire.
E) Talk about relationship between the Empire and the cults.
F) Keep quiet and give the clergy some freedom of choice.
Post by: Arlos on April 03, 2018, 04:36:59 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on April 03, 2018, 04:40:28 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 03, 2018, 04:41:38 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 03, 2018, 04:43:46 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 03, 2018, 04:49:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 03, 2018, 04:55:05 pm
Kind of wish we had sent the wise son, the narrator chided us last time for not having the right skills to impress priests. But then we wouldn't have as much input either, so it's good.
Post by: helmacon on April 03, 2018, 05:04:41 pm
This is where we shall earn our last title, and become the great. The last hurdle before us, wisdom and tact.
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2018, 05:29:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 03, 2018, 08:56:26 pm
F
Kind of wish we had sent the wise son, the narrator chided us last time for not having the right skills to impress priests. But then we wouldn't have as much input either, so it's good.
We don't need skill for this... Hopefully. All we need do is remain silent until the religion tax comes up, and offer to repeal it at once. The Priests should know that Houlandin was the asshole who passed that tax, and Cyl is the fellow they can go to anytime they want funds to build or repair a temple. Unless they want to challenge us on religious equality first, I'm not sure we even need to roll anything.
Post by: Haspen on April 03, 2018, 11:58:29 pm
THe first topic is thus Religion Tax. Various clergy mention how it makes hard to keep maintenance of holy buildings and keep a supply of various religious implements and incenses whilst also paying annual tax to the Crown. All three cults agree that they want it repealed (a rare occurence, this).
A) Nah.
B) Sure.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 12:01:32 am
Our economy is fixed, we can repeal that nasty little tax!
Post by: Prophet on April 04, 2018, 01:16:40 am
Post by: ZBridges on April 04, 2018, 01:22:51 am
Post by: helmacon on April 04, 2018, 01:26:12 am
And this will give us some serious bargaining power for the rest of the council.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 04, 2018, 01:27:21 am
I don't think they've provided much of a justification for being tax-exempt. Perhaps they would like to take advantage of the Settlement Policy instead and bring their faiths to Orcworld if they'd like to increase their income streams to better deal with the taxes? (also bullshit the Alldivines can't afford the tax, they run entire private militaries that they sell to the highest bidder, tax the bastards into oblivion)
Seriously though, the reason we did Religious Tolerance to begin with is that privileged religions have annoyed the piss out of us and indeed every monarch before us, and taking a stand against such nonsense should only be encouraged.
And this will give us some serious bargaining power for the rest of the council.
It won't do anything of the sort because we're just giving them what they want before specifying what we expect of them, and that's just unsound bargaining right there.
Furthermore, the people are reasonably happy, the economy is booming, we have a full army itching for a fight and no outstanding foreign conflicts - they want to start trouble, they can feckin' well bring it and see how that goes for them.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 04, 2018, 01:30:50 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 04, 2018, 01:55:26 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 04, 2018, 03:24:26 am
Well, A anyway.
Post by: crazyabe on April 04, 2018, 03:45:37 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 03:46:48 am
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End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
The way it is phrased, the religion tax seems to trade Happiness for money. For all we know, the religion tax is throwing an inverted festival every year. We are no longer facing a crisis of money, so I see no reason to continue making the trade.
As it stands, our happiness is one point away from being an issue, while our income is fine now that we have wine, gold, and are not building a godamn fortress anymore. I'm not afraid of facing a rebellion with 9 army, but if we do, I'd rather the Alldivine not drag their well trained battlebrothers into it.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 04, 2018, 04:29:00 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 04:59:41 am
I didn't really get the impression that it works that way - certainly didn't notice Happiness wantonly dipping like such a trade would imply (instead I think we mostly dropped our happiness via tax increases to the general population). I figured it was a one-time Happiness sacrifice which optionally opened up events such as this.
You may be right. Honestly, I'm not sure. All I know is that we don't need the money now, would rather not live the constant fear of having the cults rebel at a bad time (we could deal with it now, but I've noticed rebellions do tend to happen when our troops are preoccupied elsewhere), and could very easily re-instate the tax if we ever stumble into a financial emergency once again. It just strikes me as a shadow we have chosen to live under for one econ point a year. Shadows are mostly harmless, but scary because you can't always tell what is hiding in them.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 04, 2018, 05:07:06 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 05:35:38 am
Honestly, I think the various faiths do a fair job of checking and balancing each other without our help. If we had one religion that monopolized the worship of our populace, I might share your concern. For now, the whatever happiness penalties the tax brings strikes me as a more real and concrete threat than one of the local cults abruptly rising up without warning and going full Damned on us.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 04, 2018, 06:17:06 am
I'm going to vote A
Post by: Iituem on April 04, 2018, 06:51:55 am
Changed: Harry's argument convinced me.
A.
Post by: Arlos on April 04, 2018, 06:54:29 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 04, 2018, 07:01:39 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 04, 2018, 07:58:36 am
I don't agree that the tax shows any sign of "weakening" religions yet. I question whether it is wise to do so; and if I did want to then starting a nondenominational house of learning or supporting the bill of rights with its promise of increased humanism would be more direct tools. From the tax all I see so far are priests getting angry. It's not an annual trade-off, but discontent pop-up events like this are likely to continue.
I disagree with the blanket statement:
they historically only ever seem to cause us grief.
Yoe I, our founder, pretty much built the kingdom with the might of the Alldivine mercenaries. Yoe II was also helped, although introducing a Professional Army severely limited that option. In our time of greatest need, the War of Dwarven Honour, they rescued Cyl yet again and even gave him a discount in the financial aftermath. So the Alldivines have been cool.
The Pantheonists have mostly made requests for building funds that we have been pleased to grant. The closest thing to causing "trouble" was indirectly contributing to the death of Yoe II by calling their Great Hunt (which he might have avoided), and the withdrawal of Ustwelf from politics (so far we haven't needed him back, and I think there's more to that story that he refused to say aloud). Meanwhile our firstborn son, Leath, is enshrined in the Pantheon. I would think that distinction if anything strengthens our dynasty.
The Singularists have kept to themselves to the point I forget they're around unless specifically named in a Council like this.
The others in our empire (Enyntheism, Damed, Eleveners, and whatever Herta's Albion religion is formally called) occasionally got into spats with the big 3. But with the publication of Religious Freedom even those have trailed off. Alongside the proclamation from the first religious Council that recognized no one of them was strong enough to be the state-sponsored faith, our guarantee of free worship has done more to curtail organized religion's "problems" than I see from the tax.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 04, 2018, 08:41:11 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 04, 2018, 08:59:58 am
Post by: Haspen on April 04, 2018, 09:19:23 am
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You say you shall repeal the tax. You receive acknowledgement and gratitude of smallest order from the gathered clergy.
The next topic on hand is the religion tolerance edict. Many of higher clerics complain that this restrictive policy is tieing their hands together when it comes in dealing with outside faiths that are directly challenging the sets of beliefs practiced by Methiantese populace. Singularists have particular grudge toward Parsian Eleven, while Alldivines and Pantheonists alike have found common distaste for the proliferation of the Cult of Damed.
Then one of Singularists brings about an anecdote.
"One day I was walking down the main street of Luathbas, and what I saw? A Damed shrine, a Parsian house of worship, and preacher of Enyntheism on the corner. The foreign faithful were loud in their preaching, but where was my colleagues you ask? Two streets away, because all the prime spots were taken by lesser faiths!" The clergy, even from the other cults, nod and loudly comment in agreement. The discussion goes on for a while, but soon a major point of agreement surfaces; it would be better for peoples of Methiant, the priests say, to have three major faiths, instead of few dozens.
Finally, the high clergy of all three faiths asks you to repeal Religious Equality edict, so that they might work together to bring about unity of Methiant peoples and strengthen the nation's culture and traditions.
A) Well okay.
B) Hell no.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 04, 2018, 09:21:45 am
Hell.
No.
This is our tradition.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 09:22:54 am
I suppose we would be open to amending the proclamation to exclude specific faiths, but a blanket repeal would be a fat nope.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 04, 2018, 09:30:14 am
I do like that Enyntheism seems to have become mostly an afterthought once it didn't have that heretical sexiness backing it up.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 04, 2018, 09:43:16 am
Post by: Arlos on April 04, 2018, 11:24:48 am
I am deeply worried about the Damed cult making it that far though.
Post by: Prophet on April 04, 2018, 11:27:28 am
Post by: Baffler on April 04, 2018, 11:31:39 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 11:33:03 am
A I mean they are the only three religions that I care about since they are the local and dominant religions of Methiant. If the three of 'em are willing to work together and not fight then I'd be happy with that.
I agree with you in principle, but I'm not going to take them at their word that they can share the playground peacefully. I need some sort of legally binding 'we will play nice' agreement before I can go that route.
Post by: Rockeater on April 04, 2018, 11:33:24 am
Post by: Prophet on April 04, 2018, 11:41:30 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 04, 2018, 11:43:22 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 04, 2018, 11:49:27 am
Post by: omada on April 04, 2018, 12:18:32 pm
fuck u
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 04, 2018, 12:20:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 04, 2018, 12:38:21 pm
who the fuck they think they are?
Post by: Haspen on April 04, 2018, 04:13:17 pm
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Subsequent events will be surely remembered by historians as 'Blasphemy of Fela'!
After your explanation gets an answer, the talk ping-pongs back and forth, escalating into violent removal of your personage from the castle, under protection of your many guards, as the clergy shouted 'godless!' 'blasphemer!' 'despot!' at your back, trying to get at it. Several high clerics and acolytes present have been injured in the fisticuffs with your guards, some greviously, and the whole matter gathered quite some attention from a crowd of peasants and citizenry. Only time will tell how this affects your authority and mood of the populace.
A week later you're back at the palace, and the court is in uproar. Some courtiers believe that you shouldn't have been present at the council or that you should've repealed the acts. Some believe this should be mediated to prevent violence, some think that the clergy needs to be reined in by force.
As for the volatile edicts of Religious Tax and Religious Equality...
A) I will repeal both the Tax and Equality.
B) I will repeal the Tax, as promised, but Equality stays!
C) They've done it, so no repealing of any edicts!
As for the reaction to the violent and dishonorable conduct of the clergy...
A) Send them all a letter, asking for formal apology.
B) Request a proper monetary compensation for your lost honor.
C) Issue arrests for the priests responsible for the violence.
D) Leave them be, this time.
Post by: ZBridges on April 04, 2018, 04:15:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 04, 2018, 04:15:56 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 04, 2018, 04:19:28 pm
If they were lords instead of priests, that would be considered treason. They are being let off lightly with this.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 04, 2018, 04:19:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 04, 2018, 04:22:37 pm
I think A letter might be better then cash, but yeah. Fuck em.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 04, 2018, 04:23:15 pm
Fucking priests, I tell you. Don't give them a single inch.
Maybe if we start the House of Learning we'll get that most vaunted of edicts, Institute Cult of Reason
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 04, 2018, 04:26:57 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 04, 2018, 04:27:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 04, 2018, 04:46:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 04, 2018, 04:49:14 pm
A
I say give 'em a chance to correct their mistake... before we crack down hard that is. No one gets away with assaulting the Emperor after all.
Post by: Arlos on April 04, 2018, 05:07:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 04, 2018, 05:08:48 pm
@ Harry Baldman: "The religion tax has them scared." Hah!
@ mightymushroom: "The religions don't give us trouble." Hahahaha!
Jokes on you, mushroom.
So I might have been a little optimistic...
Post by: helmacon on April 04, 2018, 05:16:54 pm
let them stew in it. Remind them who is in charge here.
Post by: birdy51 on April 04, 2018, 06:01:36 pm
They were completely out of line with this. Let them rebel. If they'd like, we have the men to take care of any turbulent priests.
Post by: Taricus on April 04, 2018, 06:08:36 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 04, 2018, 06:20:57 pm
It must be made very clear that the state takes precedence before their faiths, and that any criminal acts performed by these men of the cloth shall be treated as those by anyone else. An assault on the emperor demands death.
Post by: omada on April 04, 2018, 07:26:17 pm
C, C.
It must be made very clear that the state takes precedence before their faiths, and that any criminal acts performed by these men of the cloth shall be treated as those by anyone else. An assault on the emperor demands death.
C,C
Post by: Baffler on April 04, 2018, 07:44:23 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 04, 2018, 10:05:37 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 04, 2018, 10:51:38 pm
Post by: Iituem on April 05, 2018, 05:09:56 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 05, 2018, 05:41:05 am
Post by: Iituem on April 05, 2018, 07:36:18 am
Post by: Haspen on April 05, 2018, 10:00:40 am
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You decide that they've exhausted your patience, and you should not honor your promise to repeal the tax; instead, you demand a monetary compensation from them in a lengthy, written correspondence to the high clergy of all three faiths.
1160 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive a reply about your demand; Alldivine clerics refuse to compensate you for anything. There has been no reply from Pantheonists or Singularists yet.
As you and some nobles debate about this further assault on the office of the Emperor, it seems that the Spymaster needs to have a word with you.
A) He might be bringing vital information, let him in.
B) No, first I need to decide on upstart clergy.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 05, 2018, 10:05:27 am
Post by: Prophet on April 05, 2018, 10:05:35 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 05, 2018, 10:05:59 am
Post by: Haspen on April 05, 2018, 10:11:16 am
He tips his hat.
"Your Majesty, I bring an urgent report. It seems that Alldivines have been gathering their warrior-priests since the botched council. Their lending of mercenaries to nobility and foreigners ground to a halt, and both veterans and fresh recruits are being gathered within the Cloisters. My spies penetrated the Tech Cloister, which is both largest and closest to the capital at the moment, and, if their counts are right, there's already almost one-and-half thousand able-bodied men within the Cloister's walls."
You decide to...
A) Abolish the religious edicts, lest some gruesome war starts over them.
B) Abolish the Religion Tax, to show that you can be reasonable.
C) Drop the topic of compensation for the Fela incident, and make amends.
D) Press the Alldivines to yield to your demands for compensation.
E) Tell the Army to seize the Tech Cloister to prevent another incident.
Post by: Prophet on April 05, 2018, 10:15:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 05, 2018, 10:15:42 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 05, 2018, 10:16:50 am
If they wish to start a war over this, they can throw the first stone. But they better know that they will be utterly crushed.
Post by: Prophet on April 05, 2018, 10:20:46 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 05, 2018, 10:21:31 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 05, 2018, 10:22:51 am
Plus we've got guns too, so there's that. Time to put the feckin' Knights Templar in their place.
Man, this'd be a great war to bring the Parsians in on. Imagine the cool shit they could loot from the Alldivine cloisters.
Post by: Arlos on April 05, 2018, 10:58:06 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 05, 2018, 11:07:32 am
Post by: Baffler on April 05, 2018, 11:13:50 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 05, 2018, 11:15:19 am
Let the blood flow
Post by: omada on April 05, 2018, 11:49:09 am
Post by: Taricus on April 05, 2018, 11:55:40 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 05, 2018, 11:56:32 am
Post by: omada on April 05, 2018, 11:59:59 am
They already said they aren't paying and they are reuniting troops
1 thousand and a half? Sue them for crimes against the crown, gather some voluntary from the "lesser religions" and seize the castle before they get significant numbers
And then send they "D" option again
Other religions will see that we got the guts of doing that against our own religion and fear us, specially those that aren't that military
let's gain the last title "Cyl the furious"
Post by: Kashyyk on April 05, 2018, 12:09:47 pm
No point asking again when it is clear what their answer will be.
Post by: Prophet on April 05, 2018, 12:13:06 pm
Plus this shows that Pantheonism is totally a better religion! You don't have to deal with the priests have private armies on stand by when ever they get mad!
Post by: Taricus on April 05, 2018, 12:14:57 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 05, 2018, 12:18:52 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 05, 2018, 12:24:59 pm
Sounds like an amazing plan.
Post by: Prophet on April 05, 2018, 12:31:19 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 05, 2018, 12:31:40 pm
....or our three major religions that between themselves count for the vast majority of our population including our soldiers call for a revolt and we are fucked, even if we win we gut our majors Religions and leave room for the cult of the Damed to become a major cult, probably get a pop drop that in the end means less taxes for us as well...
Sounds like an amazing plan.
I mean, now that the Damdamian Republic isn't a massive polity-eating monster that spreads its religion as a prelude to waging holy wars we might see some benefits from the Damedites gaining influence - it could be a way for us to get a foothold in the politics of the new southern splintered kingdoms, for example. The reason we were wary of the Damdamians in the first SPAMKINGDOM was mostly political, with some additional fears due to elf blood in our dynastic line at the time, but now they're not really much worse than the Eleven Graces who practice human sacrifice and chew on sweet herb in their reflection chambers.
Besides, they didn't pay their "assaulting the Emperor" fine so this is gonna end badly for someone either way. Might as well grab their base of operations while they're maneuvering for an impending rebellion.
Post by: ZBridges on April 05, 2018, 04:31:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 05, 2018, 04:36:28 pm
Post by: Iituem on April 05, 2018, 06:10:12 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 05, 2018, 09:07:57 pm
WHY NO WHY NO
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 05, 2018, 09:24:42 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 06, 2018, 01:10:00 pm
and C if I had my way but I probably won't.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 06, 2018, 01:23:06 pm
Anything but A, B, or C
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 06, 2018, 01:33:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 07, 2018, 02:38:48 pm
ddddd
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You order that Tech cloister is to be raided and captured.
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A week later, you receive great news! The Tech cloister has fallen, cracked open by your Fireblood machines and then stormed by your soldiers. About one thousand Alldivine zealots, both youths and veteran clergy, has been killed. Several important religious leaders, who were, coincidentally, scheming there in the exact same moment, up to and including the Alldivine Archpriest, have been captured.
While the Alldivine hierarchy is in chaos, you should profit upon this marvelous victory. You decide to...
A) Demand that Alldivine Cloisters answer before the Crown first and before their high clerics second.
B) Begin a systematic campaign of capturing of Alldivine cloisters, to bring their militant faith down once and for all.
C) Negotiate again, this time at your palace, and with your guards at the clergy's back.
D) Show them mercy and let them go, so they can rethink their actions after this shameful defeat of theirs.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 07, 2018, 02:40:17 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 07, 2018, 02:42:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 07, 2018, 02:42:54 pm
Ain't nothing in the rulebook that says the Emperor can't also be head of the Alldivines.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 07, 2018, 02:44:38 pm
A
Ain't nothing in the rulebook that says the Emperor can't also be head of the Alldivines.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 07, 2018, 02:44:51 pm
Ain't nothing in the rulebook that says the Emperor can't also be head of the Alldivines.
Except it would put us in a very bad position when dealing with other faiths, and would hurt our religious equality decree.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 07, 2018, 02:48:15 pm
Ain't nothing in the rulebook that says the Emperor can't also be head of the Alldivines.
Except it would put us in a very bad position when dealing with other faiths, and would hurt our religious equality decree.
Well... they were asking for us to get rid to the equality decree! But wait, going full Alldivine would torpedo our chance to peacefully merge with Pantheonist Cydwyl. I'll change my vote to C and negotiate peace from a position of strength.
Post by: ZBridges on April 07, 2018, 02:49:55 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 07, 2018, 02:51:11 pm
I also don't think Cydwyl is militantly Pantheonist or anything, it's just one of those situations where they're mostly Pantheonists and so that's the state religion, just like it was for Luathbas.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 07, 2018, 02:56:08 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 07, 2018, 02:59:08 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 07, 2018, 03:02:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 07, 2018, 03:02:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 07, 2018, 03:15:47 pm
First of all, you will be talking with Alldiviners about...
A) Religious equality and how it is important to maintain it.
B) Religious tax and how it is important to maintain it.
C) Curbing the power of Alldivine cloisters.
D) Compensation for their treacherous behaviour.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 07, 2018, 03:17:00 pm
No use beating around the bush.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 07, 2018, 03:18:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 07, 2018, 03:18:25 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 07, 2018, 03:18:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 07, 2018, 03:21:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 07, 2018, 03:30:53 pm
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They will compensate the Emperor with yearly amount of tithes and donations they usually receive from the faithful and supporters.
A) Ah, this is good!
B) No! I want more!
Post by: Weirdsound on April 07, 2018, 03:31:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 07, 2018, 03:32:24 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 07, 2018, 03:34:13 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 07, 2018, 03:35:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 07, 2018, 03:36:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 07, 2018, 03:39:41 pm
A I mean cool and all but I'm pretty sure that since they're still a militarized religion they'll eventually just end up rebelling again later when we do something they don't like again. We should have just took the chance to make them more subservient to us.
Honestly, militarized or not, I think we can expect these sort of flare ups every so often as long as we have that damned religion tax. Now that we have shown our strength, we can repel it without appearing to cave to religious interests.
Post by: omada on April 07, 2018, 06:26:37 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 12:55:11 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 08, 2018, 01:30:50 am
B I WANT IT ALL.
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 02:31:38 am
1160 AD, Mid-Autumn
Money arrives in your Treasury. And if your courtiers think it's quite a lot, it is; along with Alldivine compensation, came (relatively smaller) amounts of money from Pantheonists and Singularists.
1160 AD, Late Autumn
The Alldivines excommunicated you!
You're no longer favored by their divine patrons, All marriages you and your children made under the oath of Alldivines are null and void, unless the wound is mended or they convert and hastily redo the vows. Which, considering that not many of your kids are still alive, means that only Eivan is in trouble at the moment. Eirika, having married into Cidric's house, had to swear by the Pantheon.
You can rest assured that your authority and mood of your people will soon drop a lot.
A) Time to make amends. They've sent me money, I will send them back, maybe they will take the bait.
B) Pft! I fear no words! I will remain resolute and wait till they repeal the excommunication.
C) Pft! That means it's time to convert...
Ca) ...to the Pantheonist faith!
Cb) ...to the Singularist faith!
D) And I shall pass an edict of Dissolution of Cloisters, taking back Methiantese keeps and manors back from the religious folk!
Post by: ZBridges on April 08, 2018, 02:33:14 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 02:34:08 am
I feel like they didn't learn their lesson from last time. Let's correct that. Maybe we can become Cyl the Godless.
Also, can't we convert to something cooler like the Eleven Graces or Enyntheism instead? Converting to Pantheonism or Singularism is just gonna result in them excommunicating us as well, making us look just plain silly.
Post by: Rockeater on April 08, 2018, 02:39:16 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 08, 2018, 02:52:52 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 02:55:20 am
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 03:01:20 am
Post by: Taricus on April 08, 2018, 03:37:24 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 08, 2018, 03:40:32 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 08, 2018, 04:10:03 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 08, 2018, 04:30:26 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 07:35:41 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 08, 2018, 07:42:37 am
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 07:48:20 am
Later that day, you have a talk with Eivan. He seems flabbergasted by your continuous assault against the faith of your grandfather.
"I ask permission to be re-annointed under auspices of the Pantheon, father. I shall have none in your conflict with Alldivines."
A) "Fine then."
B) "No!"
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 07:49:47 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 08, 2018, 07:50:15 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 08, 2018, 07:50:53 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 07:53:28 am
Religious tolerance!
Post by: Taricus on April 08, 2018, 07:56:58 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 08, 2018, 09:18:04 am
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 10:12:04 am
A week later, Eivan and Bjeda are 're-married' in Pantheonist ritual.
1160 AD, Winter
Silver arrives in the Treasury and gemstones are sent northwards.
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Also, you receive news from the northwestern mountain settlements; gold is being mined out. You can expect first loads of bullion to arrive next year!
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Glassware brings more profits than last year! And it mantains the high quality, pleasing your noblemen.
Speaking of noblemen; the court gathers to speak with you.
"Your Majesty," says the Baron of Gwyn. "Mayhaps, for the best of the Empire, you should ask the Alldivine clergy to lift your excommunication?"
A) "Fine, I will ask them to do that."
B) "No, never!"
C) "No need for that, because I will convert to..."
Ca) "Pantheonism!"
Cb) "Singularism!"
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 10:15:57 am
Post by: Twinwolf on April 08, 2018, 10:29:36 am
Post by: Qassius on April 08, 2018, 10:39:57 am
Cb, what could go wrong?
Post by: Prophet on April 08, 2018, 10:45:03 am
Post by: Taricus on April 08, 2018, 10:55:01 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 08, 2018, 11:25:48 am
Post by: Arlos on April 08, 2018, 11:32:27 am
Post by: omada on April 08, 2018, 11:43:35 am
Ca, because
1) closer to our sons (even the dead leath, blessed he be, that is now considered a smaller god)
2) closer to our neighbor that we desires to merge peacefully
3) a bit of meta, is the most magical religion and I desire to infuse land with magic although I still wan't to help with tech (let's go have a magical spamkingdom year 4000 and throw missiles in ethereal beings)
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we should start working as the damdamians worked, make rucus and some of our neighboors accept our "equality agenda" build there some temples and please our religious subjects
some time later, we do a "holy crusade for equality" on those damdamian lands that do not accept
BANG
we smash permanently the Damdamian religious problem once and for all
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 08, 2018, 11:56:50 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 08, 2018, 01:18:00 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 01:55:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 02:49:37 pm
The Pantheonist priests of Oaths arrive very quickly, letting you swear the oath to worship all of the Pantheon gods, of the past, of the current and of the future listings. They then make 112 psalms, asking the 112 deities of Pantheon to provide you with prosperity and good life.
1160 AD, Midwinter
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The introduction of new succession laws, excommunication by Alldivines and switch to Pantheonism hasn't been taken lightly by your noblemen and peasants alike. Even now reports come from all around the Empire, of people voicing their displeasure with your rule even on streets.
1160 AD, End of the Year
You aren't sure you want to revisit this ritual this year, but what can you do? The Advisor is already here! And so are the Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
Happiness: 0!
Population: 7
Economy: 13!
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -2
"Your Majesty, the authority of the Emperor's office and the happiness of your subjects reached all time lows. The Statesmen all agree that something must be done, as people do not want to listen even to them! Issueing any new laws could spark a rebellion, if one isn't going to happen anyways!"
As for possibility of festivities...
A) We have more than enough money and the people deserve some fun after this tumultous year.
B) No, we ain't sponsoring any party time for the peasants!
As for possibility of lowering a tax or two...
A) Sure thing, we can go with lower taxes for a year.
B) I'm sure they will behave decently with default taxes around.
As for a drastic choice of putting Army on the streets and roads...
A) Sure, my soldiers will keep the peace.
B) No, force will only upset the people more.
And for an even more drastic choice of abdication...
A) No! I made this mess, and I will fix it! People will accuse me of cowardice if I abandon the throne!
B) Definitely! A fresh face in the office might placate the people and help them forget my mess.
"Our Treasury is overflowing with money this year, my liege. Shall we spend it productively in some way or the other?"
A) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
B) We ought to sponsor renovation of all those keeps and manors we regained!
C) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
D) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
E) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
F) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
G) Take a swim in the money, this newfound sea of riches of yours!
H) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
I) Expand the budget of the Army, so it maintain even greater numbers.
//5 choices to make, no split votes pls.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 08, 2018, 02:54:09 pm
A "to celebrate the emperor's conversion"
B, but get ready to switch to A if needed.
A No time to look weak.
F Let's pump that happiness up a little.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 03:01:37 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 08, 2018, 03:11:46 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 08, 2018, 03:17:57 pm
Bah. We're too old for this shit.
Post by: ZBridges on April 08, 2018, 03:18:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 08, 2018, 03:19:50 pm
A
A
A
F
This glorious day has finally come! Once more we are back to Pantheonism! The most Luathbasian of religions! Cyl has truly become my favorite monarch.
Post by: Rockeater on April 08, 2018, 03:21:40 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 08, 2018, 03:22:41 pm
A
B
A
F
Post by: birdy51 on April 08, 2018, 03:24:51 pm
Post by: omada on April 08, 2018, 03:29:43 pm
HOLY GOD THAT HAPINESS
HOLY GOD THAT MONEY
sad that it came to this, so much money being spent on happiness again
we will start next year with 3 or 4 hapiness
unless shit happens or the F option gives WAY more hapiness
how much F will cost us?
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 03:54:02 pm
1161 AD, Spring
You and your courtiers march through the capital city, giving money to the poor and the needy. Rarely in these parts and these trying times a monarch does such a magnaminous thing for their subjects. You can see they appriecate it.
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At one moment, there's some commotion as a young man steps outside the lines, but two men clad in the black of Shadowranks tackle him down before you notice that he was going towards you with a knife at his hand.
Surely the man will be questioned and then executed for his attempted regicide. The day continues on without further incident.
1161 AD, Mid-Spring
The captain of the Shadowranks arrives to report on the investigation.
"The man that tried to stab you during the ceremony of donation is Ewyn Taochwellen, a minor noble and a zealous Alldiviner. He has claimed that even after you converted, you're guilty of grave sin and must be punished. The agents of the Spymasters did not find any potential ties between Ewyn and Alldivine clergy, or someone outside the group."
You decide to...
A) Use this as propaganda to further curb Alldivine power.
B) Have him executed, per law's dictat.
C) Show generosity and leniency and let the man go.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 08, 2018, 03:55:54 pm
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Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 03:57:21 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 08, 2018, 03:58:39 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 08, 2018, 04:03:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 04:11:08 pm
1161 AD, Summer
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Money, money, money!! Cash flows into the Treasury as your merchants once again score a jackpot on the fur and skin trade with the southerners.
1161 AD, Autumn
Report comes from the southeast; a strategic keep in Ceodwell suffered an uprising by its garrison, made mostly of Alldivine faithful!
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Fortunately, the less violent of their fellow worshippers as well as other non-Alldivine soldiers fought bravely and valiantly to regain control. After a day of fighting that left hundreds dead, the loyal soldiers of the Emperor brought down the rebel scum. Phew!
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Another financial report, this time about hurthling wine. It sold for decent profits.
1161 AD, Mid-Autumn
It seems that the profits made by Treasury have lured some of your less honest officials to commit the worse of things - thievery!
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Even now, the bureaucratic machine of the Empire is in midst of chaos, as more and more reports come into hands of your council that various tax collectors, advisors, officials and Treasury workers have been stealing money for past few years.
(Economy rating lowered by 1 point).
Furthermore, what should be done about the corruption scandal as it is? Some believe that caught administrators are to be punished, other believe that, as the Empire grows in land and money, so must the bureaucratic machine of it...
A) Just punish the wrongdoers, the others will surely learn the lesson for the future.
B) Punish the wrongdoers, but also increase bureuacratic budget to prevent similar incidents from happening.
Post by: ZBridges on April 08, 2018, 04:16:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 04:19:30 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 08, 2018, 04:22:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 08, 2018, 04:27:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 08, 2018, 04:37:19 pm
You later hear that almost 60 officials were fined, thrown into dungeons, or both.
1161 AD, Winter
Silver arrives aplenty, and first gold bullion from northwest shows up also!
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Glassware makes only mediocre profits, its quality somewhat lackluster this year.
1161 AD, Midwinter
A diplomat arrives from Cydwyl Kingdom.
"O Emperor, I bring sad news from King Erik of Cydwyl! Recently, there has been much trade with Hellistes to procure rare eastern goods in exchange for our fabrics and steel, but profits were marginal and Cydwyllian coffers are currently somewhat empty. King Erik is asking for a small... donation from our most trusted ally, so that our Treasury might start recovering."
A) "Your King made foolish choices, and I won't pay for them!"
B) "Of course we won't leave an ally without help. I will send some money to King Erik at once."
C) "Let it be known that Emperor of Methiant is generous! Kingdom of Cydwyl will receive our silver bullion to recuperate its economic losses!"
Post by: milo christiansen on April 08, 2018, 04:39:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 08, 2018, 04:39:41 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 08, 2018, 04:40:18 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 08, 2018, 04:41:58 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 08, 2018, 04:46:49 pm
I feel this is Haspen attempt to curb our wild economic growth :P
Post by: omada on April 08, 2018, 06:50:13 pm
Let me fucking retire I am waiting for you
Post by: Criptfeind on April 08, 2018, 07:20:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 08, 2018, 08:58:53 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on April 09, 2018, 12:03:45 am
1161 AD, Late Winter
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Reports come from the governors that your subjects were quite well placated by plethora of good things bestowed upon them. Just as intended!
1161 AD, End of the Year
And here we go again; the Scrolls of Kingdom Status lands on your table once more.
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Happiness: 3
Population: 7
Economy: 13!
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -2
"My liege, while the authority of the office of the Emperor haven't been improved, the happiness of the people have taken a noticeable rise. Furthermore, we continue to be rich, sire! What should we spend our money on next year?"
A) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
B) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
C) We ought to sponsor renovation of all those keeps and manors we regained!
D) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
E) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
F) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
G) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
H) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
"Also, do you wish to issue an Edict?"
A) "Next year please."
B) "But of course."
Post by: milo christiansen on April 09, 2018, 12:05:25 am
Post by: ZBridges on April 09, 2018, 12:07:51 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 09, 2018, 12:27:51 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 09, 2018, 12:33:30 am
Post by: helmacon on April 09, 2018, 12:42:09 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 09, 2018, 01:53:51 am
We in good with the dwarves again, maybe they can get us something swell. Also we can do the festival edict, spend the holy money on holy things!
Post by: Weirdsound on April 09, 2018, 01:55:36 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 09, 2018, 02:59:39 am
Post by: Imic on April 09, 2018, 03:48:29 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 09, 2018, 03:59:53 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 09, 2018, 05:21:30 am
Not really a big fan of sorceress gifts. I'd rather have a Wizardly gift.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 09, 2018, 06:15:35 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 09, 2018, 08:00:36 am
If we're serious about getting the northern nobles to like us, we have to prove the benefits of our Empire.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 09, 2018, 08:01:50 am
Charity starts at home.
Post by: Haspen on April 09, 2018, 10:40:08 am
1162 AD, Summer
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At this rate of profits coming from fur trade, your Treasurer will need to invest into some shovels and wagons to move the money around!
1162 AD, Autumn
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Terrible news are coming from the border with Gubta! Apparently, the plague reared its ugly head in there without warning, and your administrators and border guards haven't noticed a thing before cases of illness have begun showing up on your side of the border.
At first, the sick are riddled with fevers and vomiting, then putrid sacks of pus form on their skin. Few that contract the disease survive, and already there is mass panic amongst people of Ceodwell.
During the emergency council, your courtiers urge you to act quickly and decisively! Your statesmen already have extra ideas to combat the plague. But all rests in your hands!
As for the border with Gubta...
A) Send the Army to maintain strict blockade of the border, with use of force.
B) Order the administrators to close the borders and turn away any travelers for the time being.
As for the plague itself...
A) Send for healers and medics from Methiant and abroad to keep the plague in Ceodwell.
B) Buy and stockpile medicine and healers' services for the inevitable times of plague's spread.
As for potential suspending of trade and travel through Methiant...
A) Stop outgoing travels and trading, just to keep others secure.
B) The plague will spread anyways, no point in hurting our economy in the meanwhile.
C) Close the cities, empty the roads! Doom is coming!
Post by: Prophet on April 09, 2018, 10:45:07 am
A
A
We've ridden out plagues before so hopefully we can again.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 09, 2018, 10:51:39 am
A
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Post by: crazyabe on April 09, 2018, 10:53:50 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 09, 2018, 11:39:55 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 09, 2018, 11:40:43 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 09, 2018, 12:04:07 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 09, 2018, 12:18:42 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 09, 2018, 04:28:17 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 09, 2018, 05:52:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 09, 2018, 06:44:05 pm
We've ridden out plagues before so hopefully we can again.
The last time we had plague within our borders we survived by spending it out. Since we have plenty of cash,
A B A
Post by: Imic on April 10, 2018, 06:00:16 am
AAA THE WORLD IS ENDING+1
Post by: Kashyyk on April 10, 2018, 06:01:39 am
Spend our way through this, and prevent all travel so that it cannot spread further.
Post by: Haspen on April 10, 2018, 03:13:25 pm
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You place the Empire on lockdown to make sure that the plague doesn't spread too far. Healers are called to Ceodwell and medicine is being bought and sent there to try and halt the terrible disease, which unlike last time, has already made inroads into the Empire.
1162 AD, Mid-Autumn
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Despite all efforts, the plague has leaked outside Ceodwell as victims' numbers in the region itself has surpassed thousand; first cases are reported north of Ironbone mountains. Due to unfortunate homelessness of many hundreds of Alldivines, traveling is still common and people sneak around, the sick bringing the plague with them.
1162 AD, Late Autumn
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The plague has slowed down its spread somewhat.
1162 AD, Winter
Silver and gold arrive in the capital, while gems are withheld in the south stockpiles near the mines.
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The dreaded plague has once again began its move. Panicked messengers bring reports of cases showing up just few days' travel away from the capital city of Methe! Some of your courtiers believe its time to close the capital, some think that for safety of the Emperor, the royal family and the court, its time to evacuate.
A) No, we with wether the plague in the capital!
B) Yes, it's time to relocate somewhere!
Post by: Iituem on April 10, 2018, 03:15:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 10, 2018, 03:30:30 pm
Good opportunity to visit the Grandson. Also, no further options to throw more money at this thing?
Post by: Prophet on April 10, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 10, 2018, 03:38:45 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 10, 2018, 03:39:09 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 10, 2018, 03:53:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 10, 2018, 04:35:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 10, 2018, 04:39:46 pm
But where to?
A) Somewhere away from Ceodwell, Felonsine territory maybe.
B) Seek shelter in Cydwyl, which isn't far!
C) Seek shelter in southern lands of Lametania or Rucus!
D) Seek shelter in Eldrican, far away from the plague!
Post by: Weirdsound on April 10, 2018, 04:41:55 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 10, 2018, 04:42:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 10, 2018, 04:47:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 10, 2018, 04:51:25 pm
A You know it's been a while since we took a vacation to the city of Luathbas. We could have a good ol' time visiting the many historical attractions and even stop by the Grand Pantheon Temple there.
You know, I'd agree, but I don't think priests at a temple would be very happy to see Cyl at the moment.
Post by: ZBridges on April 10, 2018, 04:53:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 10, 2018, 08:35:03 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 11, 2018, 02:23:19 am
Visit the grandkids while we're at it!
Post by: omada on April 11, 2018, 04:09:53 pm
And I fear we will be spreading the sickness
But we can use this as a oportunity
I would vote eldrican just because we would want to see why exactly they couldn't pay. But Cyl is old and have succession crisis to talk about, Erik liked our idea, but he needed to talk with their nobles, how far this has progressed? We should talk with him, maybe we can help to speed it up and to point him as the next emperor formally
Post by: Haspen on April 12, 2018, 03:09:01 pm
1162 AD, Midwinter
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You hear that back in Methiant, peoples are understanding of your relocation and your officials who stayed behind are keeping malcontents in check. The plague has not yet reached the capital's walls.
King Erik does accomodate you most graciously; you, your family and your servants are given entire left side of the Cydwyllian castle for yourselves; apparently, the bedroom where Eivan and his wife are now staying was Queen Dogethe's once. Most exciting!
1162 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor shrugs when you find him with reports but without updated Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
"I haven't the clue, my liege, but we can assume that the Empire is doing great."
"Relatively speaking?"
"Relatively speaking is our best bet today..."
1163 AD, Spring
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Reports from Methiant bring the worst news; the capital has been hit by the plague! Thousands are suffering and hundreds are perishing from the dreaded sickness every day.
1163 AD, Mid-Spring
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The plague continues its spread; it has moved to the borders of Felonsein province.
1163 AD, Late Spring
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Now that the plague reached the rich lands of Felonsein, more and more villages begun to succumb to its macabre dance.
Meanwhile, in Donuth, some peasants have decided that if they gonna die of plague, they might as well try bandit life, stealing from poor and assaulting the rich! The governors are unable to deal with the problem by themselves.
You decide to...
A) Ask King Erik to send some soldiers to clear up the bandit menace.
B) Hire some lvl20 adventurers to go on a bandit killing quest.
C) Order the governors to man up and do their work properly.
D) Request the Methiantese Army to resolve the bandit problem in Donuth.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 12, 2018, 03:11:27 pm
D
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 12, 2018, 03:13:17 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 12, 2018, 03:13:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 12, 2018, 03:16:36 pm
We have money to throw.
Post by: omada on April 12, 2018, 03:21:08 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 12, 2018, 03:24:07 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 12, 2018, 03:46:18 pm
Throwing money means we won't have enough money for later! Our Army is still capable.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 12, 2018, 03:51:21 pm
Large movements of people spread the plague. Sending in the army is just giving the plague a highway along your supply chain.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 12, 2018, 03:52:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 12, 2018, 03:57:34 pm
You hire some adventurers to get rid of the bandits.
1163 AD, Summer
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You receive news that the adventurers hired to deal with bandits did great. Many important criminals were killed or brought to justice, while their mook cohorts surrendered or fled into mountains and other remote areas.
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Meanwhile, good news come from Methiant proper; the plague has slowed down considerably in its spread and the new vases have fallen below a hundred a day!
1163 AD, Midsummer
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Optimistic news come from Methiant; cases are sporadic and the plague have not reached beyond Felonsein. People are quietly celebrating already, and reports from Ceodwell suggest that the settlements there have been no longer under plague's deathly grip.
Some of your courtiers wonder if its time to return to Methe already.
A) Nah, let's wait a month or two more just to be sure.
B) At once!
Post by: Prophet on April 12, 2018, 04:00:52 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 12, 2018, 04:01:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 12, 2018, 04:03:05 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 12, 2018, 04:08:08 pm
I love that gif in your avatar, birdy. It's so adorable.
I like it too. Had a friend show it too me and thought it was a good fit. ^.^
For now, A! Not my preferred pick, but it builds consensus.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 12, 2018, 04:11:10 pm
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and the new vases have fallen below a hundred a day
Crap. Link's on the lose.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 12, 2018, 04:15:38 pm
Quoteand the new vases have fallen below a hundred a day
Crap. Link's on the lose.
We must assemble a taskforce of Methiant's finest chickens to stop him!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 12, 2018, 04:40:26 pm
Post by: omada on April 12, 2018, 09:03:07 pm
A
Post by: Haspen on April 13, 2018, 12:10:49 am
1163 AD, Late Summer
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Reports come from Methiant that the plague has finally and unquestionably relented; there are only rumors of cases in the Methiantese countryside, amongst some villages located in far west of Felonsein or deep south of Ceodwell.
Preparations are being made to move back to the Empire, although nobody is really hasty about it; general consensus is to wait.
1163 AD, A week later
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You however, do not feel well personally. Weak and tired in past few days, you've become bedridden with an exhausting fever gripping on your body. Healers working on your ailment are however positive that this is not the plague.
Some courtiers believe that the move back to Methiant should be delayed till you get back to good health, others want to take you back home at this very moment and treat you there.
A) I'm fine, we can make the move back to Methiant. The people need their Emperor!
B) I will stay here and recuperate first. Rushing while sick might only worsen the illness.
Post by: ZBridges on April 13, 2018, 12:12:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 13, 2018, 12:17:38 am
Post by: Prophet on April 13, 2018, 12:24:18 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 13, 2018, 12:37:34 am
Actually, changing to A. On the off chance this thing kills us, we want to die on home soil. Don't need the Methianese to start conspiracies about King Erik killing their Emperor. (Also, I guess there is a non-zero chance somebody here is poisoning us.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 13, 2018, 04:01:32 am
Also:
Why oh why didn't we throw more money at this while it was small? There goes our impressive population.I was under the impression that the throw-the-most-money-at-it set of options won?
Post by: Imic on April 13, 2018, 04:24:25 am
If we die, we'd better die in our home.
Post by: Iituem on April 13, 2018, 04:34:17 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 13, 2018, 05:23:52 am
Post by: Arlos on April 13, 2018, 06:19:22 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 13, 2018, 07:09:31 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 13, 2018, 07:15:54 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 13, 2018, 07:19:42 am
Post by: Taricus on April 13, 2018, 08:04:04 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 13, 2018, 08:15:44 am
I was under the impression that the throw-the-most-money-at-it set of options won?
Must be a difference in our interpretations. My impression was that in our middle choice A would be treating the immediate Ceodwell outbreak, whereas B would be buying extra supplies in anticipation of a wider spread. Previously we got a roll bonus for higher spending, I didn't see that this time. Looking back though, the case may not be clear-cut.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 13, 2018, 08:24:12 am
Must be a difference in our interpretations. My impression was that in our middle choice A would be treating the immediate Ceodwell outbreak, whereas B would be buying extra supplies in anticipation of a wider spread. Previously we got a roll bonus for higher spending, I didn't see that this time. Looking back though, the case may not be clear-cut.I see. I had the opposite interpretation of B, that it meant doing less in the sense of not treating the immediate outbreak, but holding back for the spread.
Post by: Arlos on April 13, 2018, 09:24:56 am
Post by: Haspen on April 13, 2018, 10:23:37 am
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You decide to stay and sample some more of Erik's hospitality.
1163 AD, Next evening
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You feel slightly better, and the courtiers and your family members are quite optimistic about this.
1163 AD, Few days later
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You're back on your feet, but you still feel old and weary. It is announced that you will be returning to Methiant after all.
1163 AD, Autumn
You're back in Methiant, and you're feeling well, the Advisor has begun busying himself with updating Scrolls of Kingdom Status before winter comes.
You receive a report that there is shortage of foods in south of Methiant, due to many peasants perishing and thus unable to tend to crops, which themselves were to feed others.
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Fortunately, you have to do nothing about it; the Tiftif region was both spared by the plague and experienced a very good harvest this year. Wagons and caravans of foodstuffs and wine are being sent southwards to sate the hunger and quench the thirst of your subjects.
1163 AD, Mid-Autumn
Knock knock.
"Do you have a moment your Majesty?"
Happiness: 3
Population: 5
Economy: 7
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: -2
"Your Majesty, I've been trying to make best of the assumptions and calculations. Our Economy might be a bit rough but please remember that gemstones, wine and glassware was sold locally due to travel ban during time of plagues, and our yearly taxes and budget spendings have not been accounted yet. However, the souls of your subjects are still sunken; mayhaps we should organize some parties for winter and next year, to lift the mood?"
A) "Ay ay partay tayme!"
B) "No."
Post by: crazyabe on April 13, 2018, 10:25:07 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 13, 2018, 10:26:27 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 13, 2018, 10:35:58 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 13, 2018, 10:55:36 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 13, 2018, 11:08:16 am
We may fall a bit more while things get back to work. Glad to see we didn't suffer famine on top, that itself deserves a toast.
*scribbles By next year the economy should be in good shape again, although not going as wild as before.
Question: I assume the plague suspended delivery of Eldrican silver? Can I get a count on that, pretty please?
Post by: Iituem on April 13, 2018, 11:17:07 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 13, 2018, 11:24:25 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 13, 2018, 11:38:59 am
Post by: Prophet on April 13, 2018, 11:40:13 am
Post by: omada on April 13, 2018, 12:01:14 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 13, 2018, 12:31:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 13, 2018, 12:35:09 pm
Question: I assume the plague suspended delivery of Eldrican silver? Can I get a count on that, pretty please?
What delivery? They brought you just 1 more of the unpaid payments. I think someone here was keeping a tally.
You agree to spend some more money on parties to celebrate the passing of plague.
1163 AD, Winter
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Silver and glassware, due to plague losses, failed to arrive. Gemstones however got through and has been sent north.
There's also a small crisis in the army. Apparently, the traveling tax, coupled with recent plague, has turned mercenaries and adventurers away from the Army recruiters. Few recruits are being acquired this way, and some officers are talking about doom and gloom already.
You decide to...
A) Do nothing, the Army can suffer.
B) Repeal the Passage Tax to keep people flowing through Methiant steadily.
C) Repeal the Recruitment Offices, we don't need those anyways.
D) Promise extra money this year for those who join the Army.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 13, 2018, 12:43:10 pm
Lets not employ a long term solution to a short term problem.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 13, 2018, 12:52:14 pm
Question: I assume the plague suspended delivery of Eldrican silver? Can I get a count on that, pretty please?
What delivery? They brought you just 1 more of the unpaid payments. I think someone here was keeping a tally.
I was afraid of that; I was just hoping they had resumed regular shipments is all. Check.
A
Seven army is okay after a plague, like everything else it just needs time to recover.
Post by: Prophet on April 13, 2018, 12:54:50 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 13, 2018, 12:55:27 pm
Post by: omada on April 13, 2018, 12:57:04 pm
my fear is that someone will get resented for us doing nothing
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if no one joins, we won't pay extra no one
Post by: Arlos on April 13, 2018, 01:02:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 13, 2018, 01:08:23 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 13, 2018, 01:16:49 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 13, 2018, 03:40:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 13, 2018, 04:37:27 pm
1163 AD, Midwinter
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The proposal has worked! Thousands flock into the Army, thousands of coins are being drained from the Treasurer's most precious location on this planet.
1163 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor arrives with haste at your study.
Happiness: 4
Population: 5
Economy: 0!
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -2
"Sire, if our Empire is to prosper, it needs more money!"
A) "Let's raise some taxes then!"
B) "Let's lower the Army's budget!"
C) "We need budget cuts for the Army and higher tax next year!"
D) "And we will get them soon, don't worry."
Post by: Imic on April 13, 2018, 04:39:03 pm
Feck.
Er
Um
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 13, 2018, 04:45:59 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 13, 2018, 04:51:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 13, 2018, 04:51:52 pm
We have max army. We can put down a rebellion if need be.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 13, 2018, 04:52:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 13, 2018, 04:53:42 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 13, 2018, 04:54:02 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 13, 2018, 04:56:31 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 13, 2018, 04:58:59 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 13, 2018, 04:59:59 pm
Let us not pointlessly risk a revolt, our pop is low enough
Post by: birdy51 on April 13, 2018, 05:58:02 pm
....how did we spend seven point of Eco at once?
Probably plague/pop loss/Army Loss/trade related woes. Really though, the plague struck at an excellent time. Any other time dealing with that would have been hell.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 13, 2018, 06:06:34 pm
....how did we spend seven point of Eco at once?By having nearly zero income due to plague making everyone scared to breathe, then ordering festivities and extra army incentives on top of regular spending which did not stop when the rest of the nation came to a halt – it so happens that 7 points is about what we spend in any year. You're just spoiled by having our fur prices reach new highs three years running.
C
Spoiler: (unofficial) Budget (click to show/hide)
Post by: omada on April 13, 2018, 07:19:06 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 13, 2018, 08:13:23 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 13, 2018, 09:28:06 pm
A
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 13, 2018, 10:14:11 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 14, 2018, 01:46:56 am
Post by: Iituem on April 14, 2018, 03:46:34 am
Post by: andrea on April 14, 2018, 04:23:23 am
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 05:03:17 am
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You decide to cut Army's budgets as much as possible.
1164 AD, Spring
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The Orcworld Fortress has been attacked! Some fair-skinned tribe of lizard females, that were sneaking through the mountains or just flew on backs of some hideous, leathery bats are responsible for this onslaught. The attack came from northwesternly direction, the mountains there not exactly scouted.
The lizard women were quite ritualistic in their attack; first their let out a defeaning war cry and then attacked the fortress; much to the horror of your soldiers, the lizard women on the ground simply climbed the smooth stone surface, their palms and feet covered with some sticky substance. The flying ones dived to the walls and towers, plucking away soldiers one by one like bird disposes of old feathers. Few remainedi n the air, shooting bows, throwing rocks and, simply put, shit-filled jars at the men on the walls.
All in all, about six dozen lizard females and ten of their bat-mounts were killed. Loss of soldiers is approximately over a hundred; most of the mdead, but there are some reports that few soldiers were carried away in the claws of the bat-mounts. Neither the bats nor the lizards have shown any fear for the smoke, fire and sounds produced by Thundercats or other Fireblood equipment installed on the fortress.
You decide to...
A) Send an armed expedition to northwest of Orcworld, seeking the lizard females (and the soldiers they stole from you).
B) Strengthen the garrison of Orcworld fortress, bringing much more shooters and Fireblood equipment there.
C) Do both of things described above.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 14, 2018, 05:07:44 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2018, 05:18:15 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 08:03:27 am
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 09:02:30 am
1164 AD, Summer
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The fur and skins' market must've been saturated in the south, because your merchants brought about a third of money they usually bring. They are optimistic, however, and believe they can recuperate their losses next year.
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Bad news come from Orcworld; the expedition failed to return, and scouts sent to sneak through the mountains found traces of campsites but not a living soul as far as a week on foot through the mountains (this mountain range, by the way, seems to be enormous and stretches further northwest). Two hundred are assumed to have perished.
1164 AD, Midsummer
Thunderstorms of great magnitude struck Methiant and its neighbourhood, but thankfully, the damage was minimal, the Scepter's glow once again having saved the land.
1164 AD, Autumn
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Springwine of the Hurthlings has sold very well, and the noblemen of Methiant were quite grateful to having been able to quench their thirst with this sweet, refreshing beverage of pink color!
The diplomatic corps bring a report; apparently few of your envoys have begun quite serious talks with the dwarves of Zonalath. The dwarves are interested in your gold that has been discovered across the mountains, and are even considering sharing the secrets of dwarven steel with you.
A) This is terrible idea, I quite like having gold, and our own metalwork is superior anyways!
B) Invite the bearded ones to the capital, so they can see I'm also taking them seriously!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 14, 2018, 09:03:58 am
Gold runs out eventually. Dwarven steel I'm not so sure about. Imagine what kind of Fireblood machines we could make out of it!
Post by: Rockeater on April 14, 2018, 09:08:45 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 14, 2018, 09:08:46 am
Hopefully the little assholes don't have a way to make steel blow up at range, too.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 14, 2018, 09:12:42 am
Lets be honest they most likely do lol
Post by: Criptfeind on April 14, 2018, 09:24:23 am
Yeah, I mean. They probably do.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2018, 09:25:31 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 09:58:38 am
I mean, they weren't exploding or melting any normal metals with their magic, so if "steel" doesn't involve runes and blood rituals it doesn't seem likely...
Besides mithril will still give them a materials advantage in battle. I probably don't want to know what that costs.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 14, 2018, 10:01:27 am
Post by: Arlos on April 14, 2018, 12:51:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 12:59:18 pm
1164 AD, A week later (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs)
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1,1 finally, after 15 years of rolling for this trigger...
You are Eivan, son of Cyl! You are wise, and so is your current heir and eldest son, Bjern, if his tutors are to be believed.
All of Methiant is in deep mourning! Emperor Cyl I of Methiant, King of Felonsein and Ceodwell, Overlord of Donuth, Tiftit and Eval has died in his sleep tonight! His glorious, superbly long reign has gained him the posthumous title of 'The Great', marking him first monarch in the region to obtain such a prestigious epithet since the Ceól of Luathbas from the early 700s.
Thousands have gathered in the streets of the capital, lamenting the passing of the old Emperor, covering their faces with the traditional black veils of mourning. Even the manliest of courtiers are weeping, for to see the passing of a legend like your father is a terrible burden. But he has passed on to a better place, and you have to sit upon the old throne of Methiant, one that your father has occupied (with brief interludes) for almost half a century.
You consider what regnal name you should adopt.
Obviously, you cannot even dream to match your father's accomplishments, so the name of Cyl is outta consideration. The name of Houlandin seems to have a curse over it, but you're not sure whether because it draws back to the old Luathbas or due to hubris of your brother?
Nevermind, you already found an answer. You will return to the venerable name of your ancestors - Yoe!
All hail Yoe III, Emperor of Methiant!
As people gather in the capital to take part in the funeral proceedings and say farewells to their beloved Emperor, you need to decide how much money should be spent on the procession and the funeral of your father.
As for the funeral itself...
A) A simple ceremony for as simple man he always portrayed himself to be!
B) Nothing short of grandiose parade attended by tens of thousands will suffice!
As for your father's tomb...
A) He will join rest of the family in our dynastic tombs.
B) He must be enshrined in separate, adorned tomb. We ought to commission a famous builder for this.
C) He deserves nothing else but grandiose mausoleum, dripping with gold, silver and marble. Such a work needs supervising by grandmasters of art and architecture!
/me sniffles in corner.
After all those years and three games, a monarch dies peacefully of old age. We're breaking boundaries with each update, guys!
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 14, 2018, 01:03:02 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 14, 2018, 01:04:50 pm
AA
Can't break the bank on this, sadly enough, but we should give him some kind of more prestigious burial.
Post by: birdy51 on April 14, 2018, 01:05:30 pm
BB
Post by: Prophet on April 14, 2018, 01:08:27 pm
Cyl! :'( You'll be remembered forever you magnificent bastard.
Post by: Taricus on April 14, 2018, 01:14:34 pm
Post by: Iituem on April 14, 2018, 01:15:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 14, 2018, 01:16:15 pm
If we spend extra money it should be on the funeral, for two reasons.
1: Cyl should be interned with his family, not separated from them.
2: A great funeral may attract foreign leaders who wish to do business with us, opening up diplomatic opportunities.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2018, 01:17:43 pm
Guys, we have no money. Stop trying to spend it.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 01:22:35 pm
I like to think that simple burials have become a tradition. (And not only because we're only asked when the country is broke.)
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 14, 2018, 01:25:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 14, 2018, 01:26:04 pm
Also, it dawned on me, the last thing Cyl did was agree to negotiate trade with the dwarves. If their reps meet us at the funeral, we will literally be conducting busniess with them over Cyl's dead body!
...I find that quite fitting.
Post by: ZBridges on April 14, 2018, 01:26:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 14, 2018, 02:18:06 pm
Cyls final gift to the treasurer he bedeviled so much.
Post by: omada on April 14, 2018, 02:33:48 pm
"Oh, these lands haven't seen a conqueror like him since Lyc the emperor of Thiantme"
"You see a novel book about the myth of Cyl of methiant, people believe that he didn't really existed but the book share some valuable lessons"
A,A
Post by: Elephant Parade on April 14, 2018, 02:36:51 pm
we're still a little poor
Post by: omada on April 14, 2018, 02:41:07 pm
there is something wrong on the YOE III section
the necklace is still there
and it's claiming that it was Eivan who concluded the campaign against Rucus
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 02:43:13 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 14, 2018, 02:50:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 03:00:09 pm
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You decision made quite few people grumble, but thankfully Shadowranks and Spymaster's agents prevented any violence or other incidents.
After the funeral, you receive news that dwarves have arrived to negotiate. The bearded, pudgy creatures clad in most gaudy of purple and golden cloaks bow their bald heads before you.
"Greetings, Emperor! Per call by your predecessor, we're here to negotiate exchange of Methiantese gold for Dwarven steel. Not many of humans have priviledge of using this stainless, rust-less metal for their personal use, you should feel honored already! It makes for the best swords and axes, and arrowtips and spearheads. Our mines and furnaces at Zonalath could easily smelt enough steel to supply several regiments worth of Methiantese soldiers per month."
The Advisor and the Marshal discuss the thing between themselves as the Dwarven negotiator continues to praise their metalwork.
Finally, the Advisor leans down to you and whispers.
"Your Majesty, if we were to use Dwarven steel on greater scale, the Marshal believes we would need at least five years worth of it to fully equip our Army with dwarven weapons. On other hand, a specialzied unit of shock cavalry or maybe heavy infantry, armored and equipped in all-Dwarven equipment could be fielded in a year. But that's decision for later."
"And your leaders want Methiantese gold, mined in northwest, in exchange for steel deliveries?"
"Yes, all of it, even the smallest of nuggets."
A) "That is a good trade if you ask me. Let's seal the deal!"
B) "That is too much of a price. Can we talk about something cheaper?"
C) "I don't think we will be getting anywhere with this. Pleasant journey home, dwarves."
Post by: Prophet on April 14, 2018, 03:05:58 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 14, 2018, 03:07:18 pm
Nah, if they're the ones to smelt it we don't want the steel. Gold is like 2 Econ and we're currently approaching bankruptcy. Maybe some other time!
Post by: ZBridges on April 14, 2018, 03:07:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 03:08:49 pm
B
I believe the gold mine is worth 1 Econ/year; there was no mention of being exceptionally rich.
Post by: crazyabe on April 14, 2018, 03:11:42 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 14, 2018, 03:13:55 pm
Post by: Chiefwaffles on April 14, 2018, 03:16:48 pm
Relying on the Dwarves has historically been a bad move. If they're not giving us the capabilities to do it ourselves, we shouldn't accept. We can't afford to make all the deals we get offered just 'cause.
Post by: helmacon on April 14, 2018, 03:19:18 pm
Just enough for a shock troop.
We are rapidly moving towards our death reeds, and I don't know how much it would help there. Something to strengthen our front line though, would be more than welcome.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 14, 2018, 03:20:50 pm
Post by: omada on April 14, 2018, 03:25:23 pm
B
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2018, 03:57:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 14, 2018, 04:01:19 pm
and are even considering sharing the secrets of dwarven steel with you.
They didn't actually promise anything. It just says they're considering it.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2018, 04:03:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2018, 04:06:45 pm
You attempt to negotiate the price of dwarven steel.
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After a long while, the offended dwarves pack up and leave, telling you that they were clearly mistaken about the worth of Methiant's men and wealth.
Few days later, your
The visit is curt and all that Cyl does in matters of politics, is to reaffirm the alliance treaty between Methiant and Cydwyl. However, mayhaps he can be persuaded to talk about...
A) Family!
B) Trade!
C) Army!
D) Religion!
E) Weather.
Post by: Prophet on April 14, 2018, 04:11:20 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 14, 2018, 04:12:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 14, 2018, 04:15:40 pm
Few days later, your cousin Cyl, son of Erik, arrives with some courtiers to pay respects at the grave of Cyl, your father. Sometimes you wish his name wasn't so damn popular.
Isn't he our nephew, not our cousin? We are Cyl's son, and his mother is Cyl's daughter.
Might as well talk B. Perhaps he would like to buy some wine or glass.
Post by: Arlos on April 14, 2018, 04:16:13 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 04:42:50 pm
Might as well talk B. Perhaps he would like to buy some wine or glass.
The glass has a useful happiness effect, about 50% of the time.
The wine has happiness rarely and I'm sure could be sold more profitably.
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 14, 2018, 04:49:41 pm
B
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 14, 2018, 04:51:56 pm
Post by: omada on April 14, 2018, 06:20:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 14, 2018, 07:07:34 pm
Trade it all away! We need the cash! We can always use the money to throw festivals or the calendar of events thing.
Oh, I don't mean to say that it isn't for sale at the right price. I just want it clear that I think the glassware is worth about twice what the wine is.
Glassware: avg local price = 1.16 econ & 0.5 happiness
Wine: avg local price = 0.83 econ & 0.16 happiness
Post by: Baffler on April 14, 2018, 11:56:21 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on April 15, 2018, 12:08:08 am
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 01:16:13 am
But he isn't interested, and leaves.
1164 AD, Winter
Silver and gold arrive at the Treasury, while gems are of course sent north.
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Glassware brings abundance of profits. It's high quality is praised amongst your finer subjects.
1164 AD, Midwinter
There's a witch in your Empire.
Apparently, the magistrate in southern Donuth has gotten news that, apparently, during the plague, one of villages had eleven cases of the sickness, but thanks to remedies made by one of lonely, old women living by the forest of Tven, all eleven have survived. If she has such healing powers, the magistrate writes in his letter, she needs to be relocated to the capital and made a healer for benefit of all (or at least, your family).
You decide to...
A) Have the old witch brought to you for interview.
B) Dismiss the magistrate's idea.
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Post by: ZBridges on April 15, 2018, 01:18:37 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 01:26:38 am
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 01:31:46 am
1164 AD, Late Winter
The old witch of southern Donuth arrives before you, dressed in browns and greens. She thanks you profusely for your magnaminous invitation and kisses your hand thrice with those wrinkly old lips of hers.
The courtiers gasp and begin to murmur when she mentions that she is over seventy; but her wrinkles are soft and her hair basically still black, as if she was barely in her mid-forties. When asked, she chalks it up to herbs and roots she was using since she was living with her aunt, who also was a herbalist in her village.
You decide to...
A) Offer her a position of royal healer, so her remedies can save the lives of your family.
B) Thank her for her work during plague, and send her back home.
C) Ask her to entertain you with descriptions and uses of herbs and roots she uses in her daily work.
D) Offer to build for her a pharmacy in the capital, so, potentially, hundreds and thousands of your subjects can benefit from her herbs.
Post by: ZBridges on April 15, 2018, 01:36:19 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 01:36:49 am
Post by: omada on April 15, 2018, 02:02:07 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 02:12:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 15, 2018, 02:42:35 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 15, 2018, 02:59:40 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on April 15, 2018, 03:05:36 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 15, 2018, 03:22:47 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 15, 2018, 03:36:13 am
But lets go C anyway.
House of learning soon? We can remove the army recruitment thing for it please?
Post by: Imic on April 15, 2018, 03:55:17 am
sniff...
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 04:10:50 am
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She tells you of her herbs and roots, but you easily see that her tales don't match with what you know of herbs. Some are indeed used as folk remedies, but the combinations are straight wrong, and some even poisonous if mixed wrongly. You decide to call her out on this, and from that point onwards, the old woman fumbles in her talk, until the courtiers decide they had enough of this charlatan. The old herbalist, screeching, is dragged into the dungeon.
Later on you learn that she had a deal with the magistrate who 'recommended' her, to get extra cash from payment she would earn. He is quickly dungeoned and replaced with someone much more honest.
1164 AD, End of the Year
For the first time in your life, you will peruse the Scrolls of Kingdom Status. This is quite exciting, sending shivers down your spine - or perhaps it's this freezing draft in the palace.
After hours of waiting since early morning, the Advisor finally comes to your chambers. Your wife, busy in the corner sewing a new tunic for Bjern, can't help but peek at the Scrolls herself.
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Happiness: 6
Population: 5
Economy: 5
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -1
"I'm pleased to announce that your father's policy of budget cuts, plus the profits from trade this year, have allowed our treasury to recuperate quite well. The statesmen and strong army strengthened your authority in the eyes of your subjects."
"The Army believes that it is a good moment to strike and conquer someone or gain fat loot. Is there anywhere Methiant should expand?"
A) Kingdom of Cydwyl!
B) New Parsian Kingdom!
C) Kingdom of Lametania!
D) Eldrican Kingdom!
E) Kingdom of Rucus!
F) Dwarven territories!
G) But we don't have to?
"Also, do you wish to issue your first Imperial Edict ever, my liege?"
A) What else have I waited all those years for??
B) No.
Post by: Iituem on April 15, 2018, 04:19:57 am
Who still owes us money or we have unavenged honour on, guys?
Post by: ZBridges on April 15, 2018, 04:24:49 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 04:25:03 am
Fuck off with that war shit, we have no Martial leaders and no casus belli. Like, literally half of the options are allies or trade partners. Wait for someone to mess up first (like a civil war or succession crisis or trade dispute), you absolute goddamn nitwits.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 15, 2018, 04:27:19 am
I say we develop culturally and industrially to get us to great power status.
G
A
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 15, 2018, 04:47:24 am
A warrior's greatest strength is patience.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on April 15, 2018, 04:53:21 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 15, 2018, 04:55:30 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 05:11:02 am
GA
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 05:11:41 am
To where at Orkworld you even plan to send the army?
Punitive expedition into the Jungle of the Lizardwomen?
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 06:11:29 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 06:13:35 am
Does the Imperial Trade Commission supersede the Passage Tax like the Elective Succession Laws did for Expanded Primogeniture?
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 06:17:29 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 06:27:32 am
Well the silver guys started paying us the silver again so no one at this point.
What delivery? They brought you just 1 more of the unpaid payments.
However with a wise king I would like to try diplomatic remedies first, perhaps a formal visit during which we peruse the finer language of the contract and come up with something more definite than whenever Tetan feels like it.
Wise king, first edict:
Royal House of Learning is go people! Everybody man your classrooms! This is not a drill!
In the future I'd also like to consider returning the cloisters: we have homeless Alldivines running around unhappy, and Yoe could maybe repair their rift with the crown. Consider, I say. Just musing aloud, settling people down might help the pop score.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 15, 2018, 07:00:51 am
Post by: Iituem on April 15, 2018, 07:44:20 am
Post by: Prophet on April 15, 2018, 08:08:43 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 15, 2018, 08:10:49 am
Post by: helmacon on April 15, 2018, 08:32:35 am
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 08:47:41 am
No option to send our military into Orc-World?
What do ya guys wanna conquer? Entire civilization of pebbles strewn across the place? :P
You decide to establish the House of Learning. This glorious place of knowledge will take a year to construct, of course sponsored by Crown's money.
1165 AD, Spring
The Spymaster arrives in your stud unannounced one day.
"Greetings, m'liege." He lifts his hat.
"I bring urgent report from my agents in the east. King Shapur of Parsia has lately became progressively sick and infirm. His son and heir, Dashir, is running the place in his stead, keeping people and neighbours content. However, Shapur's courtiers seem to be lending more ear to his second son, Manipur, who is known for his zealous tendencies and persecution of non-Eleven heathens. Given the Parsian's culture knack for assasinations, aggressivenes and succession wars, we might prevent rise of an enemy in the east if we take an action."
A) "Make up some proof that Manipur was going to invade us, so we can pre-empt with an invasion of our own!"
B) "Nah, we wait and see how this situation develops for now."
C) "Indeed. Try to get Dashir assassinated!"
D) "Indeed. Try to get Manipur assassinated!"
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 15, 2018, 08:51:49 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 08:53:27 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 08:58:37 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 09:03:52 am
1) Moonthread cloaks still have +1 bonus, it's worth a shot.
2) Our backup plan is a full army + Cydwyl alliance.
Post by: Iituem on April 15, 2018, 09:34:48 am
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 10:37:21 am
1165 AD, Mid-Spring
Your tutors can't find any good quality about your eldest daughter, Eiri. Althought considering sickness and injury avoided her so far, one could say luck is smiling upon her.
1165 AD, Summer
You've become father again! Bjeda has given birth to a healthy baby boy, whom she named 'Deathan'.
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Profits from fur trade have come to the Treasury, albeit they're not as high as in the first years.
A diplomatic report lands in your hands. King Tetan I of Eldrican is looking for a groom for his cousin Ruberta, who is eighteen currently and is of some beauty. Apaprently, this adventurous lady has always dreamt of marrying a foreigner, and King Tetan is looking to fulfill her little desire.
A) Not a match for anyone in my family, sorry.
B) Well, let's play matchmaker then!
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 10:46:23 am
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Post by: Iituem on April 15, 2018, 11:02:02 am
will he provide a dowry of 16 years of silver?
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 11:12:27 am
Post by: omada on April 15, 2018, 11:15:24 am
How much in economyis 16 silver?
16 economy
B let's give us another casus belli against eldrican for when tetan 1 dies (pay what your father owe or face the consequences)
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 11:43:13 am
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 12:07:13 pm
Few days later, early in morning, you're busy reading a book about ancestry of the tyrants of Methiant, while your wife is breastfeeding little Deathan. The bed is warm and cozy and you don't feel like getting up just yet.
Suddenly your plans are slashed; because there is a loud soudn akin to a wheeze, then a flash of light and thunderous explosion. Your wife screams and Deathan starts to cry, and courtiers and guards begin to run down the palace's corridors as you peek outside.
Few hours later, your guards come back with a bundle of shiny, pitch black nuggets in a bag.
"Sky Iron, my liege! We found a crater in the farmlands north of the capital. A heavenly rock smashed right into a field of turnips." You know what Sky Iron is; rumored to be magical, it is most often used to create weapons of war or items of holy or royal significance. The Dwarves are known tfor refining it into artifacts, too.
A) Sell the Sky Iron ore, it will surely fetch a good price on the market.
B) Commission some artisans to create jewelry for the Imperial family out of the metal.
C) Send a messenger to the dwarves, offering them to work the ore for you.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 15, 2018, 12:15:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 15, 2018, 12:19:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 15, 2018, 12:42:46 pm
If they are willing to work for a unit of Econ or two and the Sky Iron Scraps, we can take the deal, otherwise, we can sell.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 12:44:54 pm
It's a famous tradition!
Post by: omada on April 15, 2018, 12:59:50 pm
C
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 01:06:46 pm
1165 AD, Midsummer
Guards report that two peoples desire an audience. One is Aes, brother of King Tetan I of Eldrican. The other are dwarven runemasters, here to talk about Sky Iron job you had for them.
A) Politics before trinkets!
B) Artifacts before matchmaking!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 15, 2018, 01:08:29 pm
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Post by: Harry Baldman on April 15, 2018, 01:51:14 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 01:52:36 pm
Still, B.
Post by: Prophet on April 15, 2018, 01:54:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 01:55:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 02:05:23 pm
The smelly runemasters, clad in brown and grey cloaks, arrive, their beards low to the ground and heads bowed in respect.
"Greetings, Emperor Yoe. We've heard that you desire our craftsdwarfship to forge an item from Sky Iron, and so we are here. We've done our research upon your family and your Empire. Therefore we offer to create a crown of sky iron and gemstones, one that will radiate authority and prompt respect in your subjects. Or we can fashion the sky iron into protective ring or bracelet. Of course, a small blade could be made too - a knife, or a spearhead for a lance? Sky Iron causes pain and death to fanciful creatures, we might add. As for our payment, we ask for naught but some of your silver you mine plus the leftover ore of Sky Iron that we won't spend."
A) "This is too much of a price. Let's haggle a bit, shall we?"
B) "A crown radiating authority and instilling respect in people? Count me in!"
C) "My nephew died by terrible curse, a protective item sounds like a good idea!"
D) "An enchanted weapon is always a solid choice. Make one for me!"
E) "On the other hand, I have better use for Sky Iron. You can go home."
Post by: milo christiansen on April 15, 2018, 02:08:10 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 15, 2018, 02:23:22 pm
E
Post by: crazyabe on April 15, 2018, 02:24:50 pm
Post by: Imic on April 15, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
We'll muscle through it. We need authority, we can barely keep our own people in check. Also, it'll make a cool heirloom.
Post by: Ardent Debater on April 15, 2018, 02:37:13 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 02:40:16 pm
Just . . . maybe don't wear it constantly if we ever get into an argument with dwarves, huh?
((I'm still not sure just why our poor nephew was wearing that pin, I thought we were saving it for ceremonial occasions.))
Post by: Baffler on April 15, 2018, 02:40:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 03:03:17 pm
I've spent the better part of a week's spare time reading through the whole of SPAMKINGDOM
Bullshite, it takes months to read all three V:
jk, welcome aboard.
You agree to have a crown of authority created for you.
"So be it. We shall now descend to your dungeons where we shall set up a forge, inside which we shall labor for hundred days and nights, and then we shall surface with the item you requested."
They leave, and the brother of Tetan is let in. Aes looks down at you; he is a very tall man in his forties.
"May Damed bless you, Emperor Yoe. I'm here to negotiate the marriage proposal between niece of my brother, King Tetan, and your family. I believe that your son Bjern is of age, and has no spouse yet? Therefore, how about marrying beautiful Ruberta to him?"
A) "Good idea."
B) "Terrible idea."
C) "Does the dowry include, say, some silver perhaps?"
Post by: crazyabe on April 15, 2018, 03:04:20 pm
Post by: andrea on April 15, 2018, 03:06:28 pm
Never forget.
Post by: Prophet on April 15, 2018, 03:11:58 pm
I mean I kinda want to get the Duchy of Koi from Eldrican eventually anyway so if it does include silver then huzzah silver but if he gets offended then yay we're one step closer to getting that war for the last little bit of Luathbas we need to have all of the Old Luathbas lands back. So seems like a win win situation to me.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 03:16:03 pm
Just a friendly question between two friends. We trust our friends.
I'm sure if they had any problem they'd trust us to understand, right?
Post by: Prophet on April 15, 2018, 03:19:35 pm
Post by: Ardent Debater on April 15, 2018, 03:22:00 pm
Gimme gimme
Post by: Haspen on April 15, 2018, 03:23:40 pm
"Yes. Some silver will be sent as part of the dowry." Aes replies curtly.
A) "Well then, all set. Time to stock up on drinks!"
B) "I decided against the marriage after all, sorry!"
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2018, 03:26:28 pm
Still short on real answers. We had a good thing until their king tried to kill Cyl, and his line is wiped out. I'm really trying to be friendly here. I wonder if Ruberta will know anything about what's been happening over there?
Post by: Prophet on April 15, 2018, 03:32:28 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 15, 2018, 03:52:27 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 15, 2018, 04:13:16 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 15, 2018, 04:25:25 pm
Post by: omada on April 15, 2018, 04:56:36 pm
*stare* did he just say the « May Damed bless you »?
The royal family of eldrican had converted to the cult of Damed, but they aren't xenophobe or anti fancy races because they have big dealings with the dwarves
A
Tooo weird, something is off here
Post by: Rockeater on April 15, 2018, 05:00:55 pm
But now I feel bad for not reading all of this.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 15, 2018, 05:37:02 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 15, 2018, 05:43:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 15, 2018, 06:42:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 15, 2018, 11:49:04 pm
*stare* did he just say the « May Damed bless you »?
The royal family of eldrican had converted to the cult of Damed, but they aren't xenophobe or anti fancy races because they have big dealings with the dwarves
A
Tooo weird, something is off here
I bet Eldrican is on the outs with the dwarves then. We should ask this guy straight up to confirm.
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 12:04:27 am
Later that day you hear from the guards that dwarves established a forge in one of unused dungeon cells, and faint noises of chanting and metal striking metal are coming from the darkness.
1165 AD, Autumn
Terrible thunderstorms and showers hail struck the Methiantese region, but thanks to the Rainbow Scepter's protection, once agian the farmlands were damaged only slightly.
1165 AD, Mid-Autumn
The dwarves appear before you, having finished the artifact you asked for. It is a silver crown, with three dark bands of Sky Iron wrapping around it. A large, milky opal is set in the front of the crown, small intricate stars and triangles engraved into metal are surrounding it.
The leader of the runemasters passes the Crown to you, and you put it in place of your old one. The courtiers, who were murmuring and whispering, go silent and everyone's eyes are affixed at your personage.
"We have finished the item that you have asked for. The pebbles and dust of Sky Iron that remained after the forging has been already gathered by us. Now, we ask to be paid in silver that we agreed upon."
You decide to...
A) Ask the Treasurer to go with them and give them the silver they want.
B) Order the guards to remove the smelly creatures from your audience room!
Post by: Taricus on April 16, 2018, 12:06:11 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 16, 2018, 12:07:20 am
Something about putting a dwarven artifact on our head makes me deeply uncomfortable, though.
Post by: ZBridges on April 16, 2018, 12:11:31 am
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 12:11:45 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 12:12:30 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 12:23:49 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 16, 2018, 01:05:45 am
Post by: Imic on April 16, 2018, 02:53:49 am
Otherwise, A.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 16, 2018, 04:32:38 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 16, 2018, 05:14:53 am
...And into our hearts!
Post by: mightymushroom on April 16, 2018, 06:13:43 am
Post by: crazyabe on April 16, 2018, 07:02:31 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 07:58:56 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 16, 2018, 10:53:09 am
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 12:19:13 pm
1165 AD, Late Autumn
Princess Ruberta arrives to marry Bjern! Her actualy beauty checks out with the advertisted one. Her bedchamber maidens, few guards and a matron arrive, along with Aes, brother of King Tetan I. No one else from Eldrican royal family shows up.
Along with usual gifts, there's also a caravan of silver. The Treasurer meets with you after you show the guests their quarters.
"The silver bullion brought by Eldricans could be chalked up to two years of treaty silver we were promised."
"So, fourteen years worth of silver left?" The Treasurer nods.
"Fourteen years left, sire."
The ceremony is a grand, but not extravagant one. For some reason, Bjern, who was enamored with tales about Ruberta, has definitely lost his enthusiasm towards her once he met her in person. Maybe he wished for someone even more beautiful, or talkative (as Ruberta is rather shy), but he does not run away from the altar and fulfills his duties to his new wife, the bedchamber maids report.
1165 AD, Winter
Silver and gold arrive in the Treasury, gemstones are sent north...
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...and the glassware generates only modest profits.
The Spymaster meets with you, bringing news about Parsia.
"Your Majesty, King Shapur's illness has taken a turn for worse, and he is on his deathbed. His heir Dashir has gone missing, nobody have seen him for over a month. No doubt he was forced into hiding or outright murdered by Manipur who has taken control of the government. Manipur has talked to his courtiers about purging of heathens and reclaiming Parsian glory, and, according to my agents, the courtiers at Parsian palace cheered to these plans. I think it's definitely time for action, sire."
You decide to...
A) Strengthen garrisons in Ceodwell and Tiftit.
B) Ignore the situation for now.
C) Have Manipur quietly 'removed', if possible.
D) Reinforce the borders and try to get Manipur killed.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 16, 2018, 12:24:01 pm
Although didn't we already build up a lot of forts in the area to protect against an invasion from Parsia that never actually came?
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 12:25:00 pm
It either works and we cause a bunch of chaos in Parsia that we can capitalize on, or it doesn't and they invade us anyway.
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 12:27:16 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 16, 2018, 12:28:49 pm
Rather not start shit today.
Post by: Ardent Debater on April 16, 2018, 12:33:33 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 12:36:14 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 12:41:03 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 16, 2018, 12:50:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 12:55:35 pm
1165 AD, Midwinter
There's state of war between Cydwyl and Helliste, as well as Parsia and Gubta!
According to rumors, King Erik hasn't been very happy with price cuts that Helliste merchants are getting on being trade proxies with Chia and Gan Minsong; a round of diplomatic letters later, the Hellistes denounced and insulted King Erik, who has flew into a rage and waged war against the Hellistes, promising to make them pay for this slight on honour.
Strangely, the Cydwyl Kingdom has not called upon Methiant to provide aid.
As for Parsia and Gubta, Manipur has declared a 'purge' of Gubtan heathens and reclamation of ancient temples which has been under influence of 'elephant whores' for way too many centuries now. Thanks to the plague that ravaged the Gubta Empire, its armies and peoples are in disarray. Already Manipur's armies have won three big battles and captured several border forts and villages, enslaving or killing many of those who follow Gubtan faith.
A) Well, for once we're not getting involved.
B) Oh come on, how can Cydwyls be so cruel! We should offer our help anyways!
C) Perhaps this is perfect opportunity to attack Parsia and regain the gold mines that once were part of Ceodwell?
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 12:58:29 pm
Post by: andrea on April 16, 2018, 12:59:19 pm
That guy seems dangerous. Very very dangerous.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 12:59:40 pm
Yeah. Lets give this bastard a fight on two fronts.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 01:01:17 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 16, 2018, 01:05:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 01:09:55 pm
Next day a war council gathers. The Marshal salutes before asking the obvious question.
"Are you going to lead our troops to glory and victory, Emperor?"
A) "VERILYYYYY!"
B) "I'm a scholar, not a warrior. I trust in capabilities of your generals."
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 01:11:25 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 01:17:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 16, 2018, 01:17:48 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 01:20:21 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 16, 2018, 01:20:55 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 16, 2018, 01:23:50 pm
Post by: andrea on April 16, 2018, 01:35:22 pm
Wise men are needed at home.
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 16, 2018, 01:36:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 01:37:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 01:46:30 pm
You decide to stay at the capital.
1165 AD, Late Winter
The Army has crossed the border and has quickly gained control of city of Khosra and surrounding settlements. Parsian resistance, while fierce, has been miniscule at best. Hardly few hundred of Parsian soldiers were defeated.
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House of Learning has been completed. The large building with three towers has gathered scholars, alchemists, theologians and healers from all around Methiant. However, this innovative institution has caused many a traditionalist and religious folk to voice their very bad opinions about this, causing unhapiness.
1165 AD, End of the Year
Time to view the most sacred numbers on the Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
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Happiness: 4
Population: 5
Economy: 8
Army: (9)
Imp.Authority: -1
"The authority has been maintained on a respectable level of sorts, my liege. Our treasury is doing great, however. Some call for the Crown to spend it on something nice!"
A) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
B) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
C) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
D) We ought to sponsor renovation of all those keeps and manors we regained!
E) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
F) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
G) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
H) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
I) My precioussss *hoard ALL the monies*!
"Also, do you wish to issue another Edict, sire?"
A) Yea!
B) Nay!
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 01:50:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 01:50:39 pm
B
It's probably for the best to hoard our money just in case we need it for an emergency until the war is over.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 01:52:01 pm
Lets send a gift to the Damdamians. We can call on their aid against Parsia if things get bad. They share a border with the crusading crazy elevener too, so they should realize the threat as well and it shouldn't take much to spur them to action.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 16, 2018, 01:53:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 01:54:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 16, 2018, 01:55:57 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 16, 2018, 01:58:08 pm
We should* still be gaining money so one-time deals are okay. *RNG trading
B B
We can try sending a gift to Cydwyl as a way of upholding the alliance; but I'd like to hold off on new long term spending at home.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 16, 2018, 01:59:21 pm
Fantastic sorcery!
Boring statecraft? NO.
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 16, 2018, 02:01:28 pm
Post by: Taricus on April 16, 2018, 02:04:39 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 16, 2018, 02:11:37 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 16, 2018, 02:14:37 pm
HB
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 02:18:49 pm
The Damdamians are currently busy with their civil war, Rucus declared their independence when the civil war broke out.
There is no civil war, the Empire has simply dissolved into a whole bunch of kingdoms.
IB, hold on to some cash for now.
Post by: crazyabe on April 16, 2018, 02:31:04 pm
B.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 16, 2018, 02:47:57 pm
The Damdamians are currently busy with their civil war, Rucus declared their independence when the civil war broke out.
There is no civil war, the Empire has simply dissolved into a whole bunch of kingdoms.
I'm not even sure that dissolved is the right word: it appears the territorial rulers seized local authority without that last step of declaring full independence.They still shared one, blue outer border on our last map (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7712261#msg7712261) and Rucus had other Damdamians backing them up during the ill-fated campaign. I seem to recall the sole heir to the Imperial throne is a (youngish?) lady, maybe they're all trying to court her?
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 02:49:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 16, 2018, 03:03:03 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 16, 2018, 03:08:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 03:08:44 pm
I just remember that the last time people insisted there was a civil war in the Damdamian territories Haspen was like "what the hell are you talking about, they're pretty much good".
Ye, they settled down and there's Damdamian Empire (with Damdamian Republic-states), Damdamian Republics, and some Holy Damdamian Republic and some Damdamian Coastal Republic, plus most of Margraves decided to try out this 'kingdom' thing.
It's a mess, but one that can be easily labeled around. I haven't updated the map yet ;v
You decide to keep the money safely stored.
1166 AD, Spring
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The Army is doing great work in capturing Parsian garrisons and territories. However, it seems that they've got Manipur's attention, as a big pitched battle between six thousand Methiantese and four thousand Parsians ended in over five thousand casualties, 50-50 split between the two.
The report also suggests that Parsians have not only 'resurrected' their legendary Cataphracts, they've decked them out in steel armor, most probably of Dwarven make, with soft yet insulating padding made of ketton cloth (which plantations have been found near the mountainous areas). Arrows can't even penetrate the Cataphracts' multi-layer armor, while crossbow bolts and Deathreed blasts sometimes get lodged in the steel instead of puncturing it.
Another report brings some disconcerting news; your commanders haven't yet worked out the quirks in tactics involving large-scale use of Deathreeds. The military brass will tinker about it, but it seems that a change in military philosophy of Methiant Army is needed.
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Your little Caimhe is dead! The poor girl has been playing on the balconies of the palace a bit too carelessly, and one moment, when the Shadowranks soldiers turned their eyes elsewhere, she climbed on, then slipped off the railing and fell down on the rooftops. The guards and healers could do naught but recover her body and clothe it in finest linen.
You receive happier news from the north; apparently, Queen Alissa gave birth to a child. The third son of hers and King Erik has been named 'Aron' by the Queen.
A week later after this flurry of events, reports and hearsays, you receive a messenger from Orcworld; apparently, the southern expedition has been annihilated! The soldiers of Orcworld Fortress found and destroyed a large nomadic tribe of orcs, who, much to their horror, had wrappings and trophies made from clothes and trinkets of Methiantese origin, many of them recognized by the garrison's men.
The commander of the fortress is asking for guidance.
A) We begin a crusade against the orcish nomads. They are good for naught but vulture feed!
B) It means we need to send greater guard details with other expeditions.
C) Obviously, sending out expeditions is a bad idea. If anyone wants to come over and chat, we will be waiting.
Post by: Imic on April 16, 2018, 03:09:54 pm
Jesus christ...
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 03:12:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 03:14:33 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 16, 2018, 03:15:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 03:15:18 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 16, 2018, 03:15:47 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 03:19:40 pm
Also, doesn't the Codex of Training Regimen do anything for us army rolls-wise?
Post by: birdy51 on April 16, 2018, 03:37:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 16, 2018, 03:53:31 pm
1166 AD, Mid-Spring
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Your soldiers scored another victory against the Parsians! Slowly, your Army is carving its way to Parsian capital.
1166 AD, Late Spring
You hear news about Cydwyl-Helliste war; after initial stalemate, Erik's forces began pushing toward the center of the rival, mercantile kingdom.
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Your Army has gievn Parsians a thorough smashing. A force of four thousand Methiantese met with five thousand Parsians, including several hundred of elite Cataphracts. But Thundercats and Deathreeds and Methiantese discipline triumphed over the easterners. A thousand of your soldiers has perished; a thousand of Parsians escaped with their lives.
Few days later, you receive a hurried report. Apparently, Manipur of Parsia has sent an envoy to your advancing Army, and he wishes to begin negotiations.
A) Ha! But I'm not done yet!
B) Send him over, so we can talk terms.
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 03:57:19 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 03:59:03 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 16, 2018, 03:59:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 16, 2018, 03:59:57 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 16, 2018, 04:01:13 pm
The Shadow Corps must watch this one.
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 04:01:57 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 16, 2018, 04:02:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 04:04:05 pm
Parsia is too big and powerful to keep as a vassal for long, and too culturally different from Methiant to absorb completely. I say we offer them peace in exchange for the gold mines, and if Manipur is removed from office. We should have nephews running around Parsia, Leath's kids, lets put one of them on the throne.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 04:07:17 pm
Parsia is too big and powerful to keep as a vassal for long, and too culturally different from Methiant to absorb completely. I say we offer them peace in exchange for the gold mines, and if Manipur is removed from office. We should have nephews running around Parsia, Leath's kids, lets put one of them on the throne.
Luathbas seemed to absorb Augas eventually, and we're not particularly religiously incompatible on account of our tolerance edicts. The cultural differences can be deceiving: Felonsein was a massive source of trouble for the longest time, for example.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 04:10:34 pm
Also, Parsia used to be two Kingdoms before Manipur's father united them. We could use that to split our conquest into two more manageable vassals.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 16, 2018, 04:11:56 pm
Post by: Taricus on April 16, 2018, 04:13:33 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 04:16:48 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 16, 2018, 04:34:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 04:37:27 pm
B I dearly hope he didn’t give the Gold mine to the dwarves in order to get dwarven steel...
It would probally have taken him some time to put the steel to proper use, and I doubt he would have seen any of it before the dwarves took control of the mines. Our troops did not report having to kick some dwarves around to take the mines, so we should be in the clear.
Worst case, he promised the dwarves some gold that they will make us pay back.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 16, 2018, 04:37:39 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 16, 2018, 05:35:42 pm
Post by: omada on April 16, 2018, 05:52:18 pm
remember they have ketton clothes
looks like they weren't buying more clothes from eldrican because they managed to plant it
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 06:28:49 pm
While Parsia is on our minds, what has become of Leath's widow, and his offspring by her?
Considering that they are heathens, by heathen, and of royal family, and 3 out of 4 are women, pretty sure that Manipur got or has planned to off them or sell them into slavery.
This is a subplot I/we should address soon, ye ;vc
I think it is a bit late to change my vote to A, but unless Manipur both offers to furnish our missing relatives and step down from the throne, I think we should turn down his deal, channel our inner Cyl, and destroy this muthafucker.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 16, 2018, 07:05:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 16, 2018, 07:05:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 16, 2018, 07:11:13 pm
Post by: Taricus on April 16, 2018, 07:18:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 16, 2018, 07:24:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 17, 2018, 12:28:49 pm
1166 AD, Same night...
The voracious centipede that your wife mutated into has been devouring your soldiers amidst screams of horror and the flashing purple lights of the opened RIFT in the skies. Your children, all turned into murderous meaty, bone-less abominations are sloshing across the buildings in the capital, collapsing them with their bloated weight.
Then your wife screeches and charges at you, crushing numerous soldiers that were standing between you and her. Her mandibles move down toward you to take your head off in one clean bite.
You wake up and sit on the bed. You're still in your palace, in your bedroom, in your bed. Your dearest wife is snoozing at your side.
This was just a nightmare. Surely eating all those roasted mushrooms and pork stew late in the evening was a bad idea. However, the details already murky and the abominations in your dream no longer having shape, there's a date etched in your mind as if burned with a branding iron. You saw the date on the Imperial tome that you were reading at the very start of your dream. No, not a complete date; it was just a year. Yes...
Which year was it again...?
A) 1234 AD
B) 1337 AD
C) 1269 AD
D) 1300 AD
Post by: Prophet on April 17, 2018, 12:31:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 17, 2018, 12:32:35 pm
Lets get that hot mess out of the way as soon as possible.
Post by: Puppyguard on April 17, 2018, 12:39:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 17, 2018, 12:45:13 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 17, 2018, 12:45:55 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 17, 2018, 12:51:15 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 17, 2018, 01:13:12 pm
Because a vote like this needs every choice represented. Also because it's not one, two, three, four.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 17, 2018, 02:18:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 17, 2018, 02:18:24 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 17, 2018, 02:22:17 pm
Post by: Imic on April 17, 2018, 03:04:41 pm
Post by: omada on April 17, 2018, 06:05:44 pm
A
Post by: Elephant Parade on April 17, 2018, 06:38:08 pm
D I guess???
Post by: Iituem on April 17, 2018, 07:20:47 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 17, 2018, 09:13:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 17, 2018, 11:56:27 pm
bbb
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ddddd
Nooooooo! Tied vote, my nemesis!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 18, 2018, 12:01:08 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 18, 2018, 01:44:37 am
Post by: Haspen on April 18, 2018, 12:24:28 pm
1166 AD, Summer
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Furs once more provide very nice profits.
A report comes from the Army in Parsia; they've taken several more garrisons, and gathered information about the Gubtas; they've fought the Parsians into stalemate.
The Parsian envoy, Shamsham Thot, arrives at your court! His copper skin is certainly exotic and his beard is curled upwards just like his shoes. His robes are of finest ketton cloth, dyed white, purple and green.
"Greetings, Emperor Yoe! I am Shamsham Thot, envoy of most magnaminous Prince Manipur, soon King of all Parsia! Your treachery and penchant for backstabbery has been noted, and Prince Manipur has no time to deal with you. He has made a wise guess about your hopes for spoils and loot in this war. Therefore he offers to give away the lands that his father, Shapur, has bought from your father, Cyl, if you agree to ten years of truce and peace between our nations. So speaketh Shamsham Thot, voice of Prince Manipur, the Greatest of Parsia!
A) "That is not enough. Give me more!"
B) "This offer is so cheap it insults me! Begone Thot!!"
C) "Your master is indeed wise. I accept the deal!"
Post by: Rockeater on April 18, 2018, 12:28:01 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 18, 2018, 12:28:35 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 18, 2018, 12:31:44 pm
Post by: andrea on April 18, 2018, 12:32:51 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 18, 2018, 12:39:54 pm
Also it’s funny that a kinslayer is calling us treacherous.
Post by: omada on April 18, 2018, 12:42:01 pm
just make him lose time and MAYBE give us info that we might use
if he storms off the room remenbers to yell "say my hello to your king the kinslayer"
Post by: helmacon on April 18, 2018, 12:42:40 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 18, 2018, 12:45:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 18, 2018, 12:47:21 pm
Lets put this shit out of his misery.
Post by: Puppyguard on April 18, 2018, 12:57:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 18, 2018, 12:58:31 pm
Few days later you receive a report; Parsian riders have broken into Tiftit Valley! They're not interested in conquest however, but pillage and destruction; they're destroying vineyards and farmfields, killing Hurthlings and torching their clan houses, which, per their traditions, are built on or are partially embedded into the hillsides.
The commanders of the outposts in Tiftif are doing what they can, but they were prepared for actual invasion force and not few hundred swiftly moving pillagers.
A) Bah! Then they should leave the garrisons and chase them out of the valley!
B) Our home soil has been attacked! This calls for emergency mobilization!
C) We need assistance - let's call our vassal, Evalians, to provide cavalry forces!
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 18, 2018, 12:59:42 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 18, 2018, 01:00:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 18, 2018, 01:02:42 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on April 18, 2018, 01:06:23 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 18, 2018, 01:17:58 pm
We need to crush them like ripe apples.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 18, 2018, 01:19:25 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 18, 2018, 01:20:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 18, 2018, 01:27:08 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 18, 2018, 01:37:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 18, 2018, 01:40:29 pm
Why do we need an emergency deployment? Thrashing raiders seems like the perfect job for our small but historically militant vassal! Put the good people of Eval on the case!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 18, 2018, 01:41:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 18, 2018, 01:42:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 18, 2018, 01:43:46 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 18, 2018, 01:48:53 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 18, 2018, 01:49:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 18, 2018, 01:51:16 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 18, 2018, 01:51:41 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 18, 2018, 01:54:53 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 18, 2018, 01:56:30 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 18, 2018, 02:06:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 18, 2018, 02:12:14 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 18, 2018, 02:13:44 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 18, 2018, 02:19:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 18, 2018, 02:30:34 pm
1166 AD, Midsummer
Evalians reply to your call for aid! A three thousand strong force of both light and heavy cavalry has begun its move through the Empire towards Tiftit.
More news from the east; while your soldiers are gaining ground in Parsia, so are Parsians in Gubta. Some reports place Gubtans at severe disadvantage as soldiers of Manipur are crushing their outposts and troops, looting and destroying Gubtan temples and settlements as they go. Few rumours course that the Gubtan Emperor has fled the capital, first time in hundreds of years; some that his sons all tried but were killed by Parsian army, placing the ancient dynasty at risk; that Gubtan Emperor has been captured and Parsians are going to soon dictate terms of surrender.
Who knows, maybe Gubta Empire is a giant but with proverbial clay feet?
1166 AD, Late Summer
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Military report from Parsia; it seems that Manipur, sated by his devastating victory in Gubta, begun hastily moving troops from south to west. Your Army had to fight a six-thousand strong force of Parsians. Still, the battle was won with only small casualties on Methiant's side.
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You receive report on Evalians' work in Tiftif; they're chasing Parsian raiders outta the valley, but damage has been done. Hundreds of Hurthlings have been killed so far, more than a thousand made homeless, while whole villages worth of farming land has been reduced to cinders. This year's wine harvest isn't going to happen, and some courtiers are worried about next year too.
Much more disastrous news come from the north; during a particularily heated battle with Hellistes at fields of Stekhelm, King Erik has been slain by an arrow! This has put the Cydwyl army in chaos, causing them to ultimately lose the battle, but thankfully the Hellistes were too beaten up to do a counteroffensive. Because Erik's son and heir, Llewyn, is not of age, the Cydwyl noblemen has decided to crown Estjald, Erik's twin brother, as next King of Cydwyl, removing the potential of Queen Alissa as a regent. Apparently, King Estjald has already begun negotiations with the Hellistes, as he was opponent of this war since its conception and warred (verbally of course) with late Erik about the topic often.
1166 AD, Autumn
Another report from the east; another big battle has been fought between your forces and Parsians, and your officers are positive that Manipur has transferred most of his forces from Gubta lands to the Parsians frontier.
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The battle has been won of course, but your officers are worried about possible attrition damage.
A) Quality will prevail!
B) We might as well ask Evalians to join the frontlines!
C) We might as well ask our allies of Cydwyl to lend help!
D) We ought to call for mobilization and provide fresh troops to our ever-victorious Army!
Post by: Kashyyk on April 18, 2018, 02:36:02 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 18, 2018, 02:42:21 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 18, 2018, 02:42:59 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 18, 2018, 02:43:05 pm
Post by: Ardent Debater on April 18, 2018, 02:46:54 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 18, 2018, 02:48:05 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 18, 2018, 02:48:26 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 18, 2018, 02:54:19 pm
Lets keep Eval home to put out any fires that arise.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 18, 2018, 03:48:20 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 18, 2018, 03:54:45 pm
Post by: Imic on April 21, 2018, 01:51:36 am
Post by: Haspen on April 21, 2018, 03:55:02 pm
1166 AD, Mid-Autumn
You hear that talks in the north failed; King Estjald and King Helo of Helliste are again at war.
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But that's not all about Cydwyl; during pretty much standard social gathering between nobles, one of your diplomats from the Corps drank a bit too much wine and insulted quite a few people, stopping short of tossing vulgar names at King Estjald's family.
The man has been returned to Methiant and subsequently expelled from Diplomatic Corps, but that won't help matters - the damage has been already done.
Urgent report comes from Parsia; your forces have fought some Gubtan-driven Oliphaunts! Thirty of the beasts, along with fresh Parsian soldiers and Cataphracts assaulted the main body of Methiantese Army.
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The battle ended in defeat for your forces, but Methiantese soldiers made sure to kill as many Parsians, their horses and giant Gubtan beasts.
Though that might not help Parsians much; Evalians have asasulted Parsian borderlands in the north along with some soldiers sent by Tiftit garrisons, both to capture the settlements and provide a distraction.
A week later, another battle report arrives.
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Another big battle has been fought between Methiant and Parsian armies east of Khosra province, near the town of Shalik. Out of ten thousand participants (with Methiant having an advantage), about two thirds fertilized the dry Parsian soil with their blood. The battle ended in another defeat, but also another slaughter of Parsians.
Still, with the report comes a request for fresh troops.
A) The forces currently busy in northern Parsia will join them.
B) Alright, lets mobilize some trained peasants back into Army.
C) No need for fresh troops; our Army will prevail against all odds!
Post by: Kashyyk on April 21, 2018, 04:10:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 21, 2018, 04:30:17 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 21, 2018, 04:31:21 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 21, 2018, 04:49:21 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 21, 2018, 05:05:09 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 21, 2018, 06:07:40 pm
Post by: omada on April 21, 2018, 06:45:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 21, 2018, 08:44:07 pm
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on April 21, 2018, 10:20:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 21, 2018, 11:22:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 22, 2018, 04:22:47 am
1166 AD, Late Autumn
Forces in central and northern Parsia are slowly conquering their way to the capital.
Parsian opposition seems to have mostly vanished; some speculate that Manipur has little or no soldiers and supplies left to wage war.
1166 AD, Winter
Gemstones are sent north, silver and gold are sent to your Treasury.
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Glassware earns you moderate profits.
Sieges in Parsia continue; meanwhile in the north, soldiers of King Estjald have captured Lynwynd Keep, a strategically important castle located few days of marching away from the wealthy Helliste ports and the capital city of Hel. This prompted Estjald to try and renew negotiations with Hellistes.
1166 AD, Midwinter
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The Parsians are truly at their worst now; they attempted to strike your Army in the rear, but scouts provided sufficient forewarning and your Army crushed Parsian forces in truly wondrous pincer-attack maneuver. They've eliminated lots of Cataphracts and, according to spies, killing many Parsian noblemen who were donning the prestigious armors. Few dozen of Parsians escaped with their lives, while the commanders report mentions only about three hundred Methiantese soldiers dead.
Amongst casualties is one man called 'Lord Anif'; your agents have successfully identified him as your nephew, Anwyn, son of Leath and Abis. From interrogation of few important captives, it seems that living in Parsia ultimately led Abis' children to shed away any pretense of being Methiantese and instead, they've embraced Parsia as their homeland, ready to die in its defense.
1166 AD, Late Winter
Your Army continues to besiege and conquer walled cities of central and northern Parsia. Some outposts near Gubtan border were also captured already.
Speaking of the Army; the commanders and tactians have came up with two distinct ideologies how to make best use of Deathreeds, which are loud, powerful, but slow to reload and inaccurate. They're finishing up written proposals, and you can except that soon you will receive Edict papers for your perusal and approval.
1166 AD, End of the Year
While the north and the east are engulfed in flames of war, here at Methe, live is peaceful and quiet, and delicate snowfall adorns the rooftops and towers with thin layer of whiteness.
The wooden logs in the fireplace crack and sizzle, the kids busy with their tutors and your wife safely snuggled against your side, you two in bed. You two are disrobed and Bjeda caresses your manly chest, easily exciting you.
Obviously, this is a perfect romantic moment for the Advisor to knock on the door and enter, with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hand. You can't do naught but take them; they're too important to be put off for later.
Siiiigh.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 5
Economy: 9
Army: 6
Imp.Authority: 0
"Your Majesty, it seems that our Economy, even with our high amount of expenses, continues to grow. It would be prudent to spend our amassed riches on something for betterment of Methiant and its peoples!"
A) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
B) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
C) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
D) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
E) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
F) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
G) We ought to sponsor renovation of all those keeps and manors we regained!
H) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
"Also, our authority, thanks to the work of your Statesmen and the dwarven crown, has been once again strengthened. Is it a good moment to issue an Edict, your Majesty?"
A) Edict time!
B) No edict.
Post by: Iituem on April 22, 2018, 04:26:20 am
Post by: ZBridges on April 22, 2018, 04:27:21 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 22, 2018, 04:30:39 am
We really should increase our military spending, considering how much good work they've been doing.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 22, 2018, 04:30:52 am
GA
Post by: Rockeater on April 22, 2018, 04:42:49 am
Post by: Arlos on April 22, 2018, 05:51:29 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 22, 2018, 10:10:33 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 22, 2018, 10:15:29 am
Because I still think we ought to aid Cydwyl per alliance even if they won't ask outright.
A
To see these new proposals regarding Deathreeds.
With the Tiftit wineries out of commission our expected net income is about +1, I personally would not vote for recurring expenses (but you don't have to be me).
Post by: omada on April 22, 2018, 10:20:42 am
Because our relation with Cydwyl is also hurt because of that incompetent diplomat who rolled a 1
G and E can wait till we gain parsia
C will have to wait for when we have less of these options to vote
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 22, 2018, 10:51:50 am
Post by: Haspen on April 22, 2018, 10:52:31 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics&:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
Adopt Fireblood Infantry Tactics&:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
&: These two Edicts are mutually exclusive.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 22, 2018, 10:55:34 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 22, 2018, 11:06:06 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 22, 2018, 11:09:01 am
Only logic being we may wish to wait until the war is over to start switching up tactics.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 22, 2018, 11:10:26 am
Post by: Iituem on April 22, 2018, 11:12:04 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 22, 2018, 11:19:12 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 22, 2018, 11:20:49 am
Calendar of Festivities
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 22, 2018, 11:24:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 22, 2018, 11:50:16 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 22, 2018, 11:51:13 am
Also helps with happiness, and means we don't have to live in fear of random religious uprisings which may or may not be directly linked to happiness.
Post by: crazyabe on April 22, 2018, 12:01:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 22, 2018, 12:14:35 pm
Weeh ;v
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 22, 2018, 12:19:13 pm
Post by: andrea on April 22, 2018, 12:28:29 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 22, 2018, 12:31:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 22, 2018, 12:44:11 pm
1167 AD, Spring
Siegeing of Parsia continues.
1167 AD, Mid-Spring
And continues.
Meanwhile, your agents report that there's some Pantheonist heresy going on in the north. Apparently a priest called Thann is preaching about returning to roots and orthodoxy of Pantheonism, revoking the new, 'petty' gods as he describes them, and wants to reduce the numbers of gods to the base thirty five, calling them 'the true Pantheon'.
His fiery preaching also condemns the decadence of peoples, noblemen and kings alike, who give in to pleasures of life, and put themselves above the servants of the gods, as if they were more powerful.
A) I like that kinda talk. We should invite him to the capital and hear what he has to say.
B) And what of him? Under our tolerant society, he can preach what he wants.
C) Is that some thin-veiled insult to my authority? It seems he needs to be removed, one way or another.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 22, 2018, 12:54:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 22, 2018, 12:56:30 pm
Sure, but they better remember all religions are equal. Equally less then Imperial Authority.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 22, 2018, 12:58:31 pm
all religions are equal. Equally less then Imperial Authority.This.
Post by: crazyabe on April 22, 2018, 12:59:15 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 22, 2018, 01:01:04 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 22, 2018, 01:01:28 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 22, 2018, 01:02:17 pm
On another side reducing the numbers of Gods will probably empower them and we may see divine blessing thrown around again.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 22, 2018, 01:05:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 22, 2018, 01:11:26 pm
Might as well say 'hi'
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 22, 2018, 01:12:45 pm
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on April 22, 2018, 01:15:52 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 22, 2018, 01:22:32 pm
He better include Leath as one of those thirty-five.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 22, 2018, 02:51:33 pm
Normally I would write this off as an "angry religion" event. But our wise emperor may be scholarly enough to hold his own in debate.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 22, 2018, 03:09:30 pm
A
Normally I would write this off as an "angry religion" event. But our wise emperor may be scholarly enough to hold his own in debate.Or at least goad him enough for the Shadowguard to "press charges."
Our army is kinda preoccupied, so if it is an "angry religion event", we best not pick a fight.
Post by: Haspen on April 22, 2018, 03:18:31 pm
1167 AD, Late Spring
Numerous sieges in Parsia have been completed, and your Army is encircling the capital city of Karasau. Your officers attempted to invite Manipur or his courtiers for negotiations, but they refused.
And speaking of refusals; Thann the Priest has refused your invitation to visit your palace! In his written reply, he sincerely thanks for your attention, but Thann believes that you're simply too spiritually removed from Pantheon for him to hold talks with you. It would be impossible for you two to find even smallest piece of common ground, he writes.
A) An insult like this warrants his arrest right away!
B) Send another invitation, I really want to talk with him!
C) Fine, but if he stirs up violence, he's done for!
Post by: Rockeater on April 22, 2018, 03:28:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 22, 2018, 03:35:29 pm
Guess its time to start thinking about the fate of Parsia once we take it. I'm thinking we keep the gold mines, restore anything they took from Gubta, and split it back into two vassal kingdoms.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 22, 2018, 03:46:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 22, 2018, 03:47:52 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 22, 2018, 03:47:57 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 22, 2018, 03:49:09 pm
I'm thinking we keep the gold mines, restore anything they took from Gubta, and split it back into two vassal kingdoms.
That sounds perfect to me.
Post by: Prophet on April 22, 2018, 04:12:22 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 22, 2018, 04:14:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 22, 2018, 05:57:51 pm
His statement is clearly putting the authority of his religion above our authority as the empire. That is a dangerous precedent to set.
Post by: Taricus on April 22, 2018, 06:11:01 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 22, 2018, 06:30:01 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 22, 2018, 06:40:32 pm
A
His statement is clearly putting the authority of his religion above our authority as the empire. That is a dangerous precedent to set.
A, Helmacon has a point.
I'm inclined to agree, but I'd rather this blow up later, when our army is free, than now, when it is not.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 23, 2018, 03:59:22 am
If we arrest him now, we violate the Religious Freedom law and risk martyring him. If he causes trouble later, it may be harder to deal with but we will have the morale high ground.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 23, 2018, 04:06:34 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 05:58:36 am
Post by: Imic on April 23, 2018, 08:38:21 am
We're Germany now, but we're also Denmark.
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 10:46:53 am
1167 AD, Summer
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A medium-sized contingent of Parsian horsemen, both lightly and heavily armored, dove suicidally against your Army just a day away from Karasau. THe feverish and careless assault they've made against your forces did cause almost two thousand of Methiantese casualties, but some attribute it to current switch in battlefield tactics.
Still, the battle ended in victory for your Army anyways. The surviving Parsians fled, but many were subsequently chased down by your own cavalry.
Your Army has begun the siege of Karasau few days after this battle.
1167 AD, Midsummer
The siege of Parsian capital continues; all attempts to negotiate have been rejected by the Parsians.
1167 AD, Late Summer
Karasau siege continues, while smaller contingents are looting and besieging smaller cities and keeps of importance in the north, south and west of Parsia.
You receive news that administrators of the southern Khosra province, the part with gold mines that was sold to Shapur, has willingly welcomed the governance of your military officers. The latter's report claims that these men, Ceodwellians by either name or blood, have always been a bit uneasy feeling as Parsian subjects, and are ready to abandon their lawful employer and flock under your banner. Apparently, many of people living there currently are expressing similar sentiment.
A) That land is useless to us.
B) We welcome them with open arms!
Post by: crazyabe on April 23, 2018, 10:48:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 23, 2018, 10:48:35 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 23, 2018, 10:51:11 am
And with open wagons to fill!
Post by: Criptfeind on April 23, 2018, 10:52:32 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 10:59:21 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 23, 2018, 11:11:32 am
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 11:12:06 am
Or something like that.
1167 AD, Autumn
Sieges continue. Scouts and agents report that nowhere there's any cohesive unit of Parsian army attempting to regroup; all your soldiers have to deal with is random raiding parties and small troops of soldiers hiding in villages amongst commonfolk.
The latest harvest feast at your palace has been truly spectacular. Sixteen peacocks, eighteen variations of wheat soup and stew. And all those greens, pickled, marinated, cooked and baked! Delicious.
The evening afterwards, as you undress, you cannot help but stare at your belly. Your wife teasingly poking your flesh doesn't help matter.
Have you gained weight recently?
A) The empire's prosperous and my subjects are well-fed, why shouldn't I feast well too?
B) This is unbeckoning of Emperor! I must begin fasting immediately!
C) Truly, it means I'm leading a leisurely life. How about I do some hunting? Wrestling? Traveling?
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 23, 2018, 11:14:07 am
We might not lose weight that way, but at least it's a hobby.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 23, 2018, 11:16:33 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 11:18:01 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 11:27:41 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 23, 2018, 11:36:11 am
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2018, 11:37:29 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 11:41:11 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 11:51:09 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 23, 2018, 12:01:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 23, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 23, 2018, 12:19:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 12:54:50 pm
1167 AD, Mid-Autumn
Spectacular news from Orcworld fortress were brought by a mounted messenger! A delegation of Ur-Uk has arrived!
They've exchanged gifts with the commander of the fortress; they've brought a lot of brass and bronze items, some iron pins that look suspciously like an emblem or coat of arms (with lots of spikes), plus some crystalline wares. Also, even more metal trinkets, made of material like copper, with strange and luxurious fiery red shine.
The commander of the fortress exchanged with them some items too; glasswares of Methiantese green and yellow coloration, as well as some clothes made of furs and skins, adorned with dyed threads, plus some steel swords and axes, the weapons especially excited the monkey-men quite a lot. Unfortunately, the was absolutely no further communication with the Ur-Uk; their grunting and snorting and syllable-packed language is truly alien, and they react to our own speech with equal amount of confusion.
It seems, however, that one of them, clad in spiffy black coat and robes (meshes lovely with his black skin, black mane and black tail), is supposed to remain; with lots of gesticulation, there seems to be a consensus amongst other Ur-Uk about this purpose. The Ur-Uk in question is quite tall, reaching past seven feet, and considering he says 'Ururang' while pointing at himself, some officers at the fortress believe its his name or honoriffic and that he might be a scholar or some other personage of renown amongst the Ur-Uk.
The commander asks what to do with this 'Ururang the Scholar'.
A) Turn him away, obviously he is a spy of sorts.
B) Keep him at Orcworld Fortress, plenty of things to learn there for him.
C) Let him cross the portal cave into Methiant so he can see the other world and all its wonders by himself.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 12:56:57 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 23, 2018, 12:57:20 pm
no need to let them know we are aliens.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 12:57:39 pm
For now. Let him learn some of our language and customs before we risk turning him loose upon the world.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 01:00:24 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 01:01:32 pm
Post by: Taricus on April 23, 2018, 01:03:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 23, 2018, 01:06:49 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 01:06:57 pm
Except for you, Blood Librarian, you're cool with me. :P
Post by: crazyabe on April 23, 2018, 01:07:17 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 23, 2018, 01:09:58 pm
If he wants to go into Methiant proper, we should let him, but it's best he learns our culture first.
Post by: Arlos on April 23, 2018, 01:12:22 pm
....what are the Parsian even trying to do? How is the nobility even following such a madman?
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2018, 01:13:18 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 23, 2018, 01:13:43 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 01:17:55 pm
its gonna be great i swear, greater then that time Cyl was alive.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 01:19:04 pm
C Bring the guy to the house of learning, they will figure it out!
We are also wise. We could visit him and take a crack at it ourselves, or send our wise heir to do the same.
Think of all the yoodeling we can tach him
its gonna be great i swear, greater then that time Cyl was alive.
I hope so. I think we could be seriously fucked if somebody attacks us before we finish up in Parsia though.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 23, 2018, 01:26:48 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 23, 2018, 01:35:45 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 23, 2018, 01:42:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 01:57:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 23, 2018, 02:07:24 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 23, 2018, 02:18:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 02:29:21 pm
ccccccc
You decide that the Ur-Uk scholar can stay at the fortress if he wants to learn Methiantese culture.
1167 AD, Late Autumn
City of Karasau remains unbroken.
Few days after the report from the east, you receive news from Orcworld fortress; a new delegation of Ur-Uk arrived to pick up Ururang. The scholar in question extensively studied weapons and stonework of Orcworld Fortress, as well as examined foodstuffs and plants and minerals stored in the storerooms. He picked up some scrolls and ledgers of lesser importance that the fort's archivist was able to part with.
Ururang himself, before leaving, written a lengthy scroll with charcoal. The letters of Ur-Uk are as numerous as they're flowing; the wise men at the fortress counted up thirty different symbols, and amongst them sixteen seem to have two or three variations each, with only a 'dot' or 'line' of difference.
The delegation left without any further ado.
1167 AD, Winter
Gold and silver arrives in the Treasury.
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2to3
Glassware brought some profits as well.
Victory for the Cydwyl! King Estjald managed to break the strength of Helliste in half, and they yielded to his demands. They're no longer allowed to gouge prices or impose taxes on Cydwyllian merchants, and King Helo has also to pay eight years worth of tribute.
Meanwhile, Karasau is still under siege. Fireblood attacks have pierced two out of four layers of the Parsian walls, and many houses and estates were plundered, but the military and governmental center remains untouched. Still, the Parsian leaders reject any peace talks.
1167 AD, Midwinter
Karasau has fallen! Neither Manipur nor Dashir were found in the palace, although the barely-alive King Shapur has been captured. The man is suffering from advanced rheumatic and muscle pains, as well as has trouble breathing. He has proclaimed Alalkan, his nephew and only royal male, as his envoy and representative for peace talks. Currently, only the sparsely populated badlands and mountains of eastern-northeastern Parsia remain untouched by Methiantese occupation.
The officers in charge are asking how to proceed with him.
A) Execute both, and install Methiantese governor of Parsia at once!
B) I will send my son Bjern as my representative for diplomatic talks.
C) I will send my brother Saenn as my representative for diplomatic talks.
D) I will send my instructions what we need to achieve in peace negoations.
E) Send him over, I will decide what to do with him.
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 02:31:38 pm
Though it's better this way I guess ;vc
Post by: Baffler on April 23, 2018, 02:32:55 pm
Post by: Ardent Debater on April 23, 2018, 02:34:28 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 23, 2018, 02:36:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 02:37:47 pm
E We're an Emperor and they are at our mercy, let's act like it.
I like this. We have no issues with poor old King Shapur or his nephew. If the young man is reasonable, we can leave him in charge of one of the two vassal states we should break Parsia into. (We should offer control of the other one to the ruling bloodline of Eval, as reward for their service in this war)
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 23, 2018, 02:41:54 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 02:45:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 02:46:20 pm
(We should offer control of the other one to the ruling bloodline of Eval, as reward for their service in this war)
The problem here is that, due to certain parts of recent history, the nobles of Eval stopped bothering with monarchy and instead opted for a republic governed by several noble families. Hence it was 'Evalian representatives' who accepted treaty of vassalage.
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2018, 02:48:18 pm
Well as long the Evalians keep acknowledging us as their supreme Emperor it probably doesn't matter that they don't have a direct monarch ruling the area. Plus I mean at least it's still the aristocracy in control. If it were the peasants who were in control then we'd have to do something about that.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 02:58:47 pm
(We should offer control of the other one to the ruling bloodline of Eval, as reward for their service in this war)
The problem here is that, due to certain parts of recent history, the nobles of Eval stopped bothering with monarchy and instead opted for a republic governed by several noble families. Hence it was 'Evalian representatives' who accepted treaty of vassalage.
Yay! Nitpicked by the GM! I'm sure if we invite them to elect somebody from their ranks to rule half of Parsia, they will come through for us. The main idea is to reward Eval (although I guess a cash payment would also work on that front) and to put somebody foreign in charge so that the two halves of Parsia will eventually grow apart in terms of culture.
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2018, 03:03:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 23, 2018, 03:13:29 pm
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on April 23, 2018, 03:18:19 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 23, 2018, 03:23:08 pm
but I still like the idea of A...
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 03:23:21 pm
Well there is always the option to appoint our brother Seann to act as governor of one of the halves of Parsia. It gives him something to do that isn't drinking and gives us a direct link to the area.
At one point, I remember asking about having one of Cyl's kids become the Duke of Eval after Cyl put down a round of rebellions there. Haspen said that Methianese law forbids close blood relation between vassal and master, or something along those lines.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 23, 2018, 03:27:40 pm
May be too late to win the vote, but Bjern is also Wise: he would make an excellent negotiator without the nephew having to run back and forth to consult the bedridden king.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 03:28:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 03:39:36 pm
1167 AD, Late Winter
Prince Alalkan is nowhere as scary as his uncles or cousins; he is of short stature, has a pleasant face and his beard is neatly combed, not long and pointy like that of other Parsian royal. However, like all Parsians, there's a tint of confidence and arrogance present in the youth.
On the other hand, he is about Bjern's age.
You drill him for questions.
"Where are Princes Manipur and Dashir?"
"Dashir fled before Manipur's strength, and Manipur fled before your Army, like a duo of covering dogs they are." His voice, while loud and condescending towards his family, is rather calm. "Dashir's supposedly fled to Gubtas or Suravayas or maybe further east to Chupa. Who knows. Manipur fled to the mountains with few of his most loyal supporters early in the year and we haven't heard of him since." Your courtiers murmur as the obvious question rolls onto your tongue.
"So if Manipur fled, why you folk didn't surrender?" Alalkan scoffs a bit.
"You underestimate our honor! We would not surrender till we were beaten, and even then, we awaited the order from King Shapur. He never told us to stop fighting you, so we never did."
Next question.
"Where is Princess Abis and her children?" This question puts Alalkan off; it takes him few moments to even remember who your nieces and sister-in-law are, apparently.
"They're dead by now, mostly. Princess Abis was welcomed back by King Shapur, but noblemen at the court and the shahs in the army weren't very charitable towards her. Her son Alif was slain by your soldiers; her daughters had to abandon the faith of Alldivines and claims in your lands and were married off to some peasants or mayhaps caravan masters. We do not keep track of their fates. As for Abis, she was always torn between Methiant and Parsia, and fell deeper into sadness and loneliness. I believe it was three winters ago when she drank elixir made of redthorn and lionbane, and killed herself. Neither the court nor King Shapur shed any tears." There's some grumbling in your court about this cruel and most dishonorable fate that befell members of Methiant royal family, some almost taking all this quite personally, but they quieten when you raise your hand to bring order.
"What of Gubtas? Manipur won a war against them, I want some details"
"Manipur's soldiers stormed the Palace of Gubta, killed their Emperor and enslaved many of their noble wives and maidens. Manipur demanded money and oliphaunts and other luxuries in return for letting Gubta live as they did before. Their defeat shook their country quite hard, or so we heard. Surely their pride and vanity served them this fate. We took no lands nor imposed any restrictions or further treaties upon them."
All most important questions have been answered.
"You were brought here to negotiate terms of treaty between Methiant and Parsia."
"And I will do so, on behalf of King Shapur, may his name always be blessed. My uncle recognizes that we were beaten, but has ordered me to not give up our faith or our ancestral lands-" Alalkan knocks on his chest with his left fist. "-and I'm going to fulfill his orders. Imprison me in deepest of your dungeons, Emperor Yoe, and I shall still not yield."
You decide to...
A) Begin negotiations with Alalkan of Parsia.
B) Entertain Alalkan's suggestion, throw the brat into the dungeon and send for another, more compliant, envoy!
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 03:43:11 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on April 23, 2018, 03:45:27 pm
They killed our family like dogs. Purge the earth of these savages.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 03:46:40 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2018, 03:47:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 23, 2018, 03:48:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 23, 2018, 03:49:40 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 03:49:48 pm
A - She was exiled (self induced or not I don't remember)Quite self-induced. She was the one who sent secret letters and demanded Cyl let her go home, remember? I wish we could've got her to stay, but we could not.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 03:50:33 pm
B They showed no mercy to our blood. We shall show no mercy to theirs.
One of them committed sucide, another chose to fight against us and died, and the rest were married off to commoners. Our blood could have been treated better, but I don't agree that they were "shown no mercy".
Reguardless, we should totally send our spies to see if Leath's remaining offspring can be found.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 03:52:42 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 23, 2018, 04:01:07 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 23, 2018, 04:04:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 04:10:05 pm
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You negotiate for a long time. It's obvious that Alalkan wants to comply, but his loyalty to his uncle's orders is stronger than all your authority and majesty.
"There will be no split. We hold all the ancestral lands of the ancient Parsia that warred against Luathbas, and we will not give them up. You already took the part that has the gold mines that once belonged to you, and before that, to Ceodwells. I'm sure you could be satisfied with that, but my uncle watched men in your family for al ong time and thus he told me that we must make some concessions." He thinks briefly.
"Consider this: We would allow religious tolerance in our nation. Quite a few Alldivinists remain concealed in Parsia, especially after Manipur's ascension. As for governance by a Methiant nobleman, we could appoint such as a Vizier, the right-hand of any Parsian King and governor in matters of law and territories. An respectable position with many priviledges, above which only the archpriest of the Graces and the King himself stand. We would agree to twenty years of truce, may Eleven damn us if we break it, and ten years of tribute to Methiantese coffers. How's that sound, Emperor?"
A) "This won't do!"
B) "This is good."
Post by: Arlos on April 23, 2018, 04:17:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 04:18:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 23, 2018, 04:24:05 pm
I see cultural reforms and the spread of Methiantese traditions as being quite a lot of value.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 23, 2018, 04:29:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 23, 2018, 04:29:43 pm
Not enough. We know he wants to take our deal though. Lets hold onto him as our 'honored guest' and divide Parsia without his consent. Once his uncle dies, we can ask him again if he wants to rule Kashite.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 23, 2018, 04:29:52 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 23, 2018, 04:34:38 pm
However, I think I am going to vote for accepting the terms now and come back to ask this guy to be our vassal once his uncle dies.
B
Post by: ZBridges on April 23, 2018, 04:35:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 23, 2018, 04:49:49 pm
Ideally, we would want them to make some reparations to the poor Gubtans as well. I know we don't have to owe them anything, but a small favor can go a long ways.
Post by: Baffler on April 23, 2018, 04:51:48 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 23, 2018, 04:59:52 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 23, 2018, 05:26:33 pm
We have no reason to comply with him. We are holding all the cards, but he wants to keep almost the entire country independent and under their own rule.
Post by: Rockeater on April 23, 2018, 05:30:33 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on April 23, 2018, 05:37:49 pm
Let's not get too greedy.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 05:41:29 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 23, 2018, 05:56:39 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 23, 2018, 06:22:49 pm
Post by: omada on April 23, 2018, 07:21:04 pm
no 10 years of tribute bullshit that we don't know if they will pay or not
A
Post by: Taricus on April 23, 2018, 07:46:53 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 23, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 23, 2018, 11:37:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 23, 2018, 11:58:33 pm
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You two get nowhere. You're both equally stubborn, and won't make concessions; you want more things, Alalkan is not willing to give up more things.
A) To the dungeon with the pesky child, and install Methiantese governor of Parsia at once!
B) We can still find a common ground. A night of rest for everyone should do the trick.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 24, 2018, 12:13:16 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 12:19:50 am
But only because I want to treat the kid humanely. All Alalkan is doing is keeping his word to his uncle, which while bad for us dosn't mean he deserves the dungeon. I'd be all for installing the governor now, but keeping Alalkan comfortable as an honored guest until his uncle dies, at which point we can try again to get him to go along with our plans for Parsia.
Post by: ZBridges on April 24, 2018, 12:21:02 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 24, 2018, 12:21:23 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 24, 2018, 12:21:33 am
Post by: Taricus on April 24, 2018, 12:31:22 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 24, 2018, 12:51:15 am
Post by: Imic on April 24, 2018, 12:52:30 am
Lock his door and board up his windows.
Post by: helmacon on April 24, 2018, 02:25:41 am
Why do we feel the need to negotiate with him in the first place?
Given their nationalistic fervor do you really think they would be OK being subjects?
Parsia royalty are the kind of vassal that goes full revolution the moment they have the chance. Wipe them out and put someone new in charge.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 03:05:07 am
A
Why do we feel the need to negotiate with him in the first place?
Given their nationalistic fervor do you really think they would be OK being subjects?
Parsia royalty are the kind of vassal that goes full revolution the moment they have the chance. Wipe them out and put someone new in charge.
The Parsian Royalty has never wronged the House of Yoe. We decided to take the initiative and remove the Zealot Manipur, but the old king was always cool to us aside from his persecution of the Alldiviners, and we know Alalkan is reasonable and wants to accept our terms, but sadly happens to be under orders not to. None of these guys are guilty of much aside from being related to that fuckstick Manipur, and we don't want a reputation for being needlessly cruel and/or hungry for land; Cyl fucked up alot of people and annexed alot of territory, but he usually had a better cause to go to war than what we are using to justify our present actions.
...Also, if we successfully negotiate with enough people, we may gain a sweet title for it.
Post by: Taricus on April 24, 2018, 03:25:03 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 24, 2018, 03:35:10 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 03:42:37 am
Moreover, we should ensure that Manipur is crucified before sorting out a proper treaty.
I see your point, but honestly I'm afraid we are vulnerable now and feel we should end the war and get our troops home ASAP. The bulk of our forces are busy in Parsia, we have already called upon both our vassal and our emergency reserves, and our ally is busy recovering from their own war. If somebody were to attack us now, we might be genuinely fucked.
If we can't break this young man in the next day or two, I'll reluctantly vote to just toss him into the dungeon and annex the land to bring this episode to an end.
We can put hunting down Manipur as part of the agreement.
Hunting that jerk down feels more like a job for our spies than an army at this point.
Post by: Arlos on April 24, 2018, 05:00:10 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 24, 2018, 05:08:54 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 08:18:57 am
Like Weirdsound, I don't see our "advantage" as being all that great at the moment – our army winning this war does not guarantee successful rolls in the future.
Those who were talking beforehand made a plan to divide it into two or more parts and taking both as vassals. Well, Parsian pride and honor (and surely the son of Cyl understands pride and honor) won't let them accept vassalage today. In my view the choice is now whether to accept a decent-if-not-everything-we-wanted-on-a-platter offer or to insist on gobbling whole that which earlier seemed too large to swallow.
Post by: birdy51 on April 24, 2018, 08:47:59 am
Good points have been raised. Let's rebuild.
Post by: Haspen on April 24, 2018, 09:41:32 am
By the next morning, you two meet again to negotiate the fate of Parsia.
A) Argue for your initial demands.
B) Negotiate some different, middle ground.
C) Accept Alalkan's counteroffer from yesterday.
D) Announce annexation of Parsia and throw Alalkan into dungeon for wasting so much of your time.
Post by: Taricus on April 24, 2018, 09:44:28 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 24, 2018, 09:45:47 am
Post by: Taricus on April 24, 2018, 09:46:56 am
Post by: crazyabe on April 24, 2018, 09:49:02 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 24, 2018, 09:53:45 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 10:02:12 am
I was ready to accept the counter offer yesterday and I still am:
- We regain former Ceodwell and undisputed claim on the gold mines.
- Mad Zealot Manipur is deposed and Parsia signs a treaty of non-aggression. Some advise against trusting them, but there are always meta reasons to distrust. Alalkan is at this point the indisputable heir and by all accounts he likes us.
- Religious freedom in Parsia, making the rise of future Mad Zealots more difficult and encouraging cultural interchange and trade.
- The above like contrasted against Cydwyl's recent behavior makes me think some kind of peaceful absorption may be more possible in the east than the north during Yoe III's reign.
- (Meta) We already rolled to renegotiate, and it failed. Suck it up.
Hell no, Parsia must be destroyed and splintered as an entity. No other solution will suffice.
Why? Without more explanation, it sounds like the same stubbornness that got Cyl into three separate wars in Eval, not long after which they still ended up with home rule. Is constant warfare better than peace with tributes?
Edit: Forgot religion in my list of benefits.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 24, 2018, 10:07:31 am
Post by: Taricus on April 24, 2018, 10:08:49 am
Post by: Baffler on April 24, 2018, 10:09:45 am
Post by: milo christiansen on April 24, 2018, 10:13:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 24, 2018, 10:14:50 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 24, 2018, 10:23:30 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 24, 2018, 10:25:35 am
Tbh, I liked that result the most, and we had a bonus to negotiation for it, so might as well try again I guess.
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 24, 2018, 10:26:05 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 11:00:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 11:01:15 am
A
Tbh, I liked that result the most, and we had a bonus to negotiation for it, so might as well try again I guess.
When the other side, on a positive result, says flatly that the terms you seek are not available but we can give you this favorable compromise, what about the +1 makes you think those terms will suddenly become available next morning?
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"You underestimate our honor! We would not surrender till we were beaten, and even then, we awaited the order from King Shapur. He never told us to stop fighting you, so we never did."
I expect that the various results are only degrees of position between the two sides of demands. Vassalage is not achievable, because orders. (Perhaps, perhaps, there's a surprise bonus for 7*, which is long-shot gambling on dice AND speculation.)
Post by: milo christiansen on April 24, 2018, 11:42:12 am
They get what we give them, or they get nothing.
Moral of the story: Don't lose a war with a much more powerful neighbor.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 24, 2018, 12:00:15 pm
Post by: andrea on April 24, 2018, 12:06:00 pm
The counteroffer is fairly good, considering that the primary objective was achieved. But haggling a bit can't hurt I guess, at worse we can still accept his offer or refuse.
B
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 12:23:43 pm
See my earlier comparison to Eval, which for all of us being "more powerful" on paper just about ran our army into the ground thrice. Against larger Parsia we've already been asked to supply reinforcements on at least two occasions.
We are promised a number of concessions including a Methiantese official in the position of Vizier, someone who controls their laws, not dissimilar to having a vassal. The biggest difference I can see is no pledge of mutual military support. Which, since our army is apparently so superior you shouldn't feel worried about gaining.
(By the way, "They get what we give them, or they get nothing," is nearly the same thing you, milo, answered me (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7627592#msg7627592) when I questioned why we did not settle terms after taking Zasitost in the first Dwarf War. We won that territory in two battles, but I don't think victory proved that the dwarves were weaklings we could push around forever after.)
Post by: helmacon on April 24, 2018, 12:28:15 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 24, 2018, 12:31:25 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 24, 2018, 12:34:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 24, 2018, 01:08:01 pm
Remind me never to appoint any of you as diplomats
Actually, on second thought. mightymushroom, Blood_Librarian, Baffler, crazyabe, would you be willing to vote B? I think we can all agree that A is a terrible idea and B would be better. If all the non-As get on the same boat we can at least tie it up for now. Hence B.
Post by: Puppyguard on April 24, 2018, 01:10:18 pm
Anything but A.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 01:17:38 pm
Either we roll high, and we get to do what we want to Parsia.
Or we roll low. The kid is unhappy, but he is basically our prisoner and surrounded by our Shadowranks. I can see no real way for a low roll here to completely blow up in our face, so we can just debate the merits of C vs. D at that point.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on April 24, 2018, 01:35:48 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 24, 2018, 01:38:23 pm
I'd rather not pick up a negative trait for being the literal worst at diplomacy.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 01:46:47 pm
You never hold all the cards, and the rest of the world is always watching.
Parsia's Other Neighbors:
Gubta: Was just invaded by Parsia. Probably would not mind us treating Parsia harshly.
Cydwyl: Our kinsfolk and ally. Doubt they'd turn on us over this. If the scrolls this year show our economy is maxed, we can throw some money their way to make sure we are cool.
Damdamia: A Theocracy that does not partake in the worship of the eleven. They will not shed tears over the dangerous Zealot Manipur.
The Dworfs: They were selling shit to Parsia, so they could be a bit of a wild card, but I doubt they'd straight up invade us or anything over this.
Post by: Criptfeind on April 24, 2018, 01:58:44 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 24, 2018, 02:28:15 pm
Post by: omada on April 24, 2018, 03:32:37 pm
I am in great doubt
I would be okay with the
stay with whole parsia minus ceodwell (although splitting is better)
vassalage, adopt our laws, marry yourself or one of your kids with our own
tribute for protect and help
give us phataractsomething tech (what exactly is this?) and oliphaunt stuff
we give them something
maybe the older blackheart tech and let them figure the rest, or we pay for the tech (hey, as your lord we demand that you accept this amount of gold for teaching us this tech)
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 04:03:35 pm
Actually, on second thought. mightymushroom, Blood_Librarian, Baffler, crazyabe, would you be willing to vote B? I think we can all agree that A is a terrible idea and B would be better. If all the non-As get on the same boat we can at least tie it up for now. Hence B.
By my count as of this posting: 10 A, 7 B, 4 C
Since you addressed me directly, I'll say that the math might work but this has been up for a while now and I wouldn't be surprised if Haspen updates before I finish typing. I'll choose to leave my vote as it stands to represent my views; I've lost this struggle before. The conquest faction are consistent in their votes, I'll give them that.
And actually, no: I don't care for B either. The difference between A & B is a slight matter of starting point for a roll of uncertain outcome. C is certain and beneficial to the Empire including both expansion, money, foreign goodwill, and religious tolerance/spreading to possibly get those priests off our case for once. I doubt I could be persuaded that any unknown would be better than the deal we already have with one pen stroke. Bird in the hand and all that.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 24, 2018, 04:27:26 pm
I doubt I could be persuaded that any unknown would be better than the deal we already have with one pen stroke. Bird in the hand and all that.Sure, C's better, but we don't have the votes, and at least with B we could conceivably roll for something that has a chance of being accepted. Of course, we'll have to fight to get the votes in for that over the RAH RAH SPLIT PARSIA IN HALF AND DEVOUR IT crowd, but I'd rather do that than force ourselves through another doomed roll that will at best probably just piss off the heretofore extremely compliant diplomat because some idiot thought "hey, worst case we throw him in the dungeon, what could possibly go wrong?".
Post by: andrea on April 24, 2018, 04:31:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 24, 2018, 04:42:58 pm
but I'd rather do that than force ourselves through another doomed roll that will at best probably just piss off the heretofore extremely compliant diplomat because some idiot thought "hey, worst case we throw him in the dungeon, what could possibly go wrong?".
We have a +1 to the roll. Parsia's ability to fight back has been nearly completely neutralized. Parsia has few if any friends to avenge it. Their diplomat is totally at our mercy. If there was ever a safe time to ask "what could possibly go wrong," this is it. We need to end the war quickly before somebody takes advantage of our vulnerable condition, but I don't see how spending an extra day on a long shot to get what we want from this kid will make a difference.
That said, if A doesn't work this time, I'm leaning towards accepting his terms rather than throwing him into the dungeon at this point. We do need to end this quick.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 24, 2018, 05:11:29 pm
Post by: omada on April 24, 2018, 06:54:42 pm
remember
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 24, 2018, 07:44:57 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 07:52:12 pm
Sure, C's better, but we don't have the votes,
Moving my vote away from C will not get more for the plan I desire. I have no interest in B; rereading the exact wording it may even be worse than A if it fails, because it would probably overwrite the excellent deal that is C. I also fear A may overwrite the current deal, but I'm less certain of it.
If there was ever a safe time to ask "what could possibly go wrong," this is it.
I'm also asking, "What could possibly go right?"
In the post I read, the nephew stated outright that he will refuse vassalage because his honor demands adherence to the King's orders. Yet the A contingent seems to believe that our military might can make him ignore that honor; the same military might that he and the Parsian soldiers actively fought for nearly a year after their leadership fled as cowards. This is not a man who gives in.
Thus I do not anticipate
Post by: helmacon on April 24, 2018, 09:20:52 pm
In the post I read, the nephew stated outright that he will refuse vassalage because his honor demands adherence to the King's orders. Yet the A contingent seems to believe that our military might can make him ignore that honor; the same military might that he and the Parsian soldiers actively fought for nearly a year after their leadership fled as cowards. This is not a man who gives in.
Negotiating from a position of military superiority is only advantages if you are willing to use that military and the other guys know it. Even if we fail and go full execution on their nobility, (Which is highly unlikely) we will be setting a precedent for any future negotiations we enter into. That precedent is a very valuable thing.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 24, 2018, 10:41:13 pm
There is an example of the opposite effect: at the end of the third Eval war we carefully targeted only the leaders and spared the city. They were happier and more loyal on that account.
On the other hand, the dwarves tried bullying us to pay up or lose our artifact. We didn't like it one bit. We had to buy a truce twice, but we didn't relent on our cause no matter their military superiority. Their strategy proved counterproductive, the High King admitted the harm to his profits and offered an artifact replacement.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 24, 2018, 10:48:08 pm
I am open to accepting the option C, but honestly them reorganizing under us has advantages to them as well, they can count on a much stronger alliance to back them if they are invaded and trade with everyone in the empire. We are the only option among the empires nearby that will let them keep their state religion while still being a vassal.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 24, 2018, 10:53:11 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 25, 2018, 01:03:29 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 25, 2018, 01:07:18 am
I honestly can't believe you people are about to throw away one of the biggest conquests we have ever managed to pull off for pocket change when we are getting a bonus to the negotiation roll because you don't want to take the small chance of us failing the roll, followed by the small chance of a native rebellion that would at best be vastly inferior to and easily overpowered by our military.I don't know about everyone else, but I'm planning to counteroffer annexation into the empire without a split, which seems to be their core sticking point.
(Also, none of your small chances are the core reason I don't want to pick A, but that's beside the point.)
Post by: milo christiansen on April 25, 2018, 01:16:43 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 25, 2018, 08:10:05 am
I honestly can't believe you people are about to throw away one of the biggest conquests we have ever managed to pull off for pocket change when we are getting a bonus to the negotiation roll because ...(emphasis added to your emphasis)
I can't believe you think we've pulled it off until the ink is dry. Alalkan said no. We know he is willing to fight and die for the sake of his honor. It's so integral to his characterization that I think it is willful blindness to assume one roll can erase it.
I do not believe that this supposed bonus to the roll matters.
1) The negotiator came to the table. He told us what he was not willing to give, and then listed a whole range of concessions that he and his uncle, after watching Methiantese rulers for years (there's your precedents! they know all about our strongarm tactics) could yield. The bonus does not need to make vassalage possible. Rather, I believe the outcome table looks more like a pass/fail check. Any difference in positive outcomes is at most quibbling about the numbers and not the grand scheme. Meanwhile, that leaves 2/6 chance of, yes, getting worse. Those odds are enough that I can sincerely doubt the benefits of massaging good outcomes would outweigh the risks of losing.
2) The bonus is for "Good Terms" – treating Parsia well in spite of our military control, and we first saw it not when we opened our arguments but when we were given the negotiations for a compromise. You seem to think that continuing to ram our plan will always give that bonus. How long before Alalkan decides we're mad and impossible to reason with?
It is the #1 thing we can do to reduce the chance of rebellion later.
I've been thinking about this, and I call bogus.
Case A) The NPCs behave rationally, or at least motivationally according to their own simulated intents. Then the best way to prevent future conflict is to befriend them rather than to bully them.
Case B) The NPCs behave randomly, or at least according to narrative demand. (Haspen has many, many times referred to "rolling" for certain events to happen.) Then it is useless to bully them into [insert safeguards here] because they won't care when they are chosen to be agents of Fate.
I raised a parallel question over Tywynn and Leath. Everybody who wanted Tywynn dead was adamant that being a twin somehow increases the chance of rebellion, but the nearest thing to proof was something like "Well, it's more likely if Haspen thinks it's more likely." No one ever pointed me to an example(s) that Haspen in fact thinks like that.
In the realm of armies and nations, I have raised the example of Eval as evidence that Haspen rewards our kindnesses ("Good Terms", eh?) with simulated loyalty. Also Dogethe, whom we first met when Yoe I invaded her country. We negotiated faithfully and became friends; even her eventual betrayal – failing to stand at length against a dwarven army – was quickly followed by an apology and compensation, which we accepted. Said loyalty may not last forever, about a generation for non-empire NPCs. But imposing our will by force only seems to encourage resistance by force for the same generation.
Post by: Baffler on April 25, 2018, 08:59:05 am
Post by: Arlos on April 25, 2018, 11:50:31 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 25, 2018, 02:37:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2018, 09:32:14 am
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You don't get anywhere in particular. Alalkan repeats his terms - Vizier position for a Methiantese nobleman, religious tolerance in Parsia and truce between the nations for two decades, although he adds something extra; instead of plain tribute of coinage from Parsia, he would ensure that gemstones mines in northeastern mountains would send their yearly output quota to Methiantese treasury for next ten years. This is far more reliable, as the mines are digging out stones steadily every year.
A) This won't do, I said it once already.
B) Alright, let's sign the papers.
C) Dungeon the kid and annex Parsia, yes?
Post by: crazyabe on April 26, 2018, 09:41:11 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 09:42:25 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 26, 2018, 10:04:53 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2018, 10:24:33 am
The annexers want me to believe that as a matter of security one neighbor with goodwill and our guy in high government is more dangerous than one-or-two vassals technically "ours" on the map but run by NPC's corralling people who are proud and angry. I'm still picking the former.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 26, 2018, 10:35:06 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 26, 2018, 10:41:46 am
Post by: Criptfeind on April 26, 2018, 11:07:50 am
B
The annexers want me to believe that as a matter of security one neighbor with goodwill and our guy in high government is more dangerous than one-or-two vassals technically "ours" on the map but run by NPC's corralling people who are proud and angry. I'm still picking the former.
I dunno, in the short term it's true that making friends with them like this is certainly less likely to create conflict, but long term they are sure to eventually turn on us and if they are absorbed that's a lot of conflict now but eventually it'll probably simmer down. I think that if you're thinking long term then obviously absorbing them is more secure (especially when you consider we don't get any new possible hostile neighbors from doing so, unlike if we say, absorbed a southerner that wouldn't really give us security because we'd have lots of new potentially hostile neighbors, if we absorb these guys that just means we get a bigger border with someone we're already pretty much next too.) When thinking like that the question I have as far as now vs later is if we think we're too unstable to absorb them now and that we'll have a better chance later? Which... No. I think this is a super strong position we're unlikely to be able to achieve as cleanly again.
So, yeah, from a security stand point? I think it's only short term thinking that would make someone say "we're more secure not absorbing them."
I'm voting B because I think it's the right thing to do like, from a roleplaying perspective. But I think someone who's just trying to powergame for the most long term and secure game should vote C.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 11:15:17 am
The current offer is terrible compared with what we'd get if we just annexed them, they're offering us 10 years of tribute from a gemstone mine that we'd gain if we annexed them. In the case that the parsians will revolt after being conquered, our army will easily handle any revolts.
Post by: birdy51 on April 26, 2018, 11:39:07 am
This is a nice compromise.
Post by: milo christiansen on April 26, 2018, 12:09:46 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 26, 2018, 12:14:31 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 26, 2018, 12:17:47 pm
Post by: andrea on April 26, 2018, 12:33:37 pm
We got what I wanted, which was to get the bad guy out of the throne.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 12:46:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2018, 12:50:45 pm
I dunno, in the short term it's true that making friends with them like this is certainly less likely to create conflict, but long term they are sure to eventually turn on us and if they are absorbed that's a lot of conflict now but eventually it'll probably simmer down. I think that if you're thinking long term then obviously absorbing them is more secure (especially when you consider we don't get any new possible hostile neighbors from doing so, unlike if we say, absorbed a southerner that wouldn't really give us security because we'd have lots of new potentially hostile neighbors, if we absorb these guys that just means we get a bigger border with someone we're already pretty much next too.)
What I think is that there are always enemies. If we owned the whole world Haspen could still roll out Martians. Project into the long term and absorbing all of Parsia doesn't change our need for preparedness by one iota. So yeah, I'm working on the nearer term where I can see actual differences in which scenario presents fewer challenges to our army during the period they rebuild from war losses.
We can just annex all of Parsia without a problem, they can't oppose us, we occupy their capital and most of Parsia already. By annexing them we'll gain control of their gemstone mines, which will be nice boon to our economy.
The current offer is terrible compared with what we'd get if we just annexed them, they're offering us 10 years of tribute from a gemstone mine that we'd gain if we annexed them. In the case that the parsians will revolt after being conquered, our army will easily handle any revolts.
There is a school of thought that expansion on the map is the paramount measure of success. I can respect that and partially subscribe, it has a lot of truth including your point about the gemstones. Yet spamhistory suggests that greediness and overextension breeds revolts, extra expenses, and in the worst cases downfall. Permanent gemstones are a minor advantage when I expect next year's surplus to be +4 or better anyhow, and who knows what they yield ten years from now?
I'm not even certain that we would keep the mine in question: if it is in vassal territory game rules may force us to yield it to vassal, aka NPC, control.
Ten (or twenty, the duration of the non-aggression pact) years from now our army should be ready to go again if we want more shinies that badly. And we won't be fighting vassals who have had access to our superior tech.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 12:53:14 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 26, 2018, 01:01:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2018, 01:10:17 pm
ccccc
What I think is that there are always enemies. If we owned the whole world Haspen could still roll out Martians.
;vc
/me writes that down.
You decide to sign the papers. Peace comes to Methiant and Parsia, the latter beaten and humilitated. Saenn is dispatched with Alalkan to Karasau.
You later learn that Alalkan has become the new King of Parsia, as the old King Shapur has given his crown to the youth.
1167 AD, Late Winter
Peoples celebrate the return of their sons and fathers and husbands back to Methiant. Noblemen and wealthy merchants celebrate the expansion of estate market thanks to your renovations.
1167 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor lays out the Scrolls of Kingdom Status upon your desk, adn you lean in to read the numbers.
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5to6, 4to6(1to3)
Happiness: 5
Population: 5
Economy: 7
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: 0
Those are some decent numbers.
"Thanks to the victories made by our Army, the recruiters managed to get many aspiring and glory-seeking youth and travelers flocking to the military banner. The authority of the Emperor is also stable."
"Shall you issue an Edict this year, sire?"
A) "Okay, sure."
B) "Meh, nah."
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 26, 2018, 01:18:42 pm
Post by: andrea on April 26, 2018, 01:19:17 pm
No harm checking, and we are currently in a good place to pass stuff.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 01:20:40 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 26, 2018, 01:21:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 01:25:27 pm
I think this is a good time to repel either the religion or passage tax. We have a new gold mine, +10 years of extra gems. We can do away with one of our more troubling sources of income.
Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2018, 01:27:53 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
Post by: andrea on April 26, 2018, 01:29:23 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 26, 2018, 01:30:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 26, 2018, 01:31:22 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 01:31:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 26, 2018, 01:34:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 01:37:31 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 26, 2018, 01:40:13 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on April 26, 2018, 01:41:16 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2018, 01:46:13 pm
I like the idea of a Trade Comission but there's no pressure on our money supply right now.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 26, 2018, 01:51:01 pm
I'll go with Calendar of Festivities.I think the main reason people are voting for trade commission is not because of the money but more because of this part "Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things."
I like the idea of a Trade Comission but there's no pressure on our money supply right now.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 26, 2018, 01:54:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2018, 01:55:43 pm
I think the main reason people are voting for trade commission is not because of the money but more because of this part "Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things."
I read that as the possible side effect - what the commissioners would do, more than what is happening currently.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 01:56:35 pm
Agreed, but... I also think Fluffe9911 is right that people apparently want to encourage those things. :PI think the main reason people are voting for trade commission is not because of the money but more because of this part "Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things."
I read that as the possible side effect - what the commissioners would do, more than what is happening currently.
ETA: Although I'd be happy to switch my vote to Calendar of Festivities if it becomes necessary to avoid the Trade Commission winning, due to my general anti-bureaucracy stance. It's bad enough that we have that statesmen council.
Post by: Baffler on April 26, 2018, 02:06:47 pm
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Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2018, 02:28:12 pm
1168 AD, Spring
Certain long ears have caught some interesting news about your son, Bjern.
Apparently, while he and Ruberta are all proper both in the streets and in the sheets, there seem to be certain, and worrying, lack of children coming. Further prodding by your long-eared friends have found a reason behind it; seems that Bjern has some trouble with 'combat readiness', per say.
A) I'm sure that he is shy and all he needs to be 'combat ready' is some more time!
B) I'm sure that one of kitchen matrons has some herbs that she could spice his meals with!
C) I'm sure that he is just inexperienced. Let's give him a fatherly advice on bedside manners!
Post by: Fluffe9911 on April 26, 2018, 02:29:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 02:32:28 pm
I actually kinda don't want Bjern to have kids. If we wind up with an heirless emperor, we can use elective succession to unite with Cydwyl, or at least pick an emperor from Erika's stock that will bring us closer to our northern ally.
Post by: Prophet on April 26, 2018, 02:35:07 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 26, 2018, 02:36:39 pm
I actually kinda don't want Bjern to have kids. If we wind up with an heirless emperor, we can use elective succession to unite with Cydwyl, or at least pick an emperor from Erika's stock that will bring us closer to our northern ally.
I'm pretty sure that this ship hasn't sailed only because it didn't arrive in the first place. There's virtually no indication that anyone in Cydwyl would be up for it in the slightest.
C, give 'im the birds, and maybe the bees too if he doesn't behave.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 02:37:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 02:38:08 pm
Post by: crazyabe on April 26, 2018, 02:42:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 02:43:33 pm
I actually kinda don't want Bjern to have kids. If we wind up with an heirless emperor, we can use elective succession to unite with Cydwyl, or at least pick an emperor from Erika's stock that will bring us closer to our northern ally.
I'm pretty sure that this ship hasn't sailed only because it didn't arrive in the first place. There's virtually no indication that anyone in Cydwyl would be up for it in the slightest.
C, give 'im the birds, and maybe the bees too if he doesn't behave.
I'm pretty sure if, at any future point where the two nations are on good terms, you were to ask the sitting King of Cydwyl "Hey, wanna be heir to the throne of Methiant too?" he will at least consider the offer.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 02:50:23 pm
I'm pretty sure if, at any future point where the two nations are on good terms, you were to ask the sitting King of Cydwyl "Hey, wanna be heir to the throne of Methiant too?" he will at least consider the offer.I mean, we did, he did, and the answer was "nah I'm pretty sure the nobles would guillotine me"
Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2018, 02:58:13 pm
Few hours and three illustrated books later, you pat your red-faced son on the back and send him off to his bedchamber. You're sure he will impress his wife with the newfound knowledge!
1168 AD, Summer
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The fur trade in the south brought enormous profits! Coins pile up in the Treasury as the trade advisor gives his report.
However, agents of the Spymaster bring news from south and west; Kingdoms of Eldrican and Rucus are now bound with marital oath; Tetan I's son and heir Talan, after the boy's first wife died in childbirth, married Auverna, a niece of King Audaro Rucus of Rucus.
Meanwhile, reports come from Donuth; the fiery speeches about orthodoxy and purity of Pantheonist faith made by Thann has gathered him thousands of supports in recent years. Many voice their displeasure with current, corrupted ways of Pantheon, and adopted the name of 'Principals'. The Pantheonist clergy isn't very much happy about this, and is voicing their displeasure about this - as well as the fact that the Imperial law ties their hands about culling down on the heretics.
A) Heresy or not, the Principals are guaranteed freedom of worship.
B) Mayhaps its due time to negotiate between the two.
C) It seems that Thann the Priest needs to be invited for a dinner, again.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 03:00:11 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 26, 2018, 03:00:37 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 26, 2018, 03:00:51 pm
Perhaps we can organize a religious debate if they want to voice their displeasure.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 03:04:23 pm
Few hours and three illustrated books later, you pat your red-faced son on the back and send him off to his bedchamber.
Does our wife know we are keeping illustrated books?
On a serious note, A.
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 26, 2018, 03:06:53 pm
Does our wife know we are keeping illustrated books?Do you remember who our wife is? She probably drew the pictures. :P
Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2018, 03:18:26 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 26, 2018, 03:21:08 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 26, 2018, 03:22:05 pm
I want this to be the truth so much.Does our wife know we are keeping illustrated books?Do you remember who our wife is? She probably drew the pictures. :P
A
Let's not make dad's mistake if we can help it.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 26, 2018, 03:29:34 pm
I want this to be the truth so much.Does our wife know we are keeping illustrated books?Do you remember who our wife is? She probably drew the pictures. :P
A
Let's not make dad's mistake if we can help it.
To be fair, Cyl was actually 50/50 on religious conferences in his lifetime. He messed up that last one, but he did okay when the Alldivines were dealing with that heretic sect early in his reign, before he became an Emperor.
Post by: Imic on April 26, 2018, 04:07:44 pm
Post by: omada on April 26, 2018, 04:17:49 pm
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on April 26, 2018, 04:24:30 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 26, 2018, 04:43:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 26, 2018, 10:44:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 26, 2018, 10:51:31 pm
We aren't dictating anything, just mediating. Mediation is necessary, and as the people who imposed religious tolerance we have a responsibility to see that it happens.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 26, 2018, 11:44:38 pm
It's great that the heathen emperor gets to be the most reasonable one in this conversation.
Post by: Haspen on April 27, 2018, 12:00:59 am
A week later you receive their replies; the Pantheon high clergy won't agree to a meeting with heretic, and Thann mentions that you cannot possible hope to mediate on issue you, as a non-priest, do not understand.
A) Arrest them all for this dual insult!
B) I will read my books and then we will negotiate on the topic!
C) Get rid of the heretic, he is only bringing strife!
D) Force the Pantheonists to accept Thann's heresy, the law's allows it!
Post by: ZBridges on April 27, 2018, 12:03:39 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 27, 2018, 12:05:53 am
We'll consult our picture books and get back to you.
Post by: helmacon on April 27, 2018, 12:12:10 am
We should have dealt with him the first time. This whole, "My religious freedom means I don't have to answer to the emperor" thing is spreading.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 27, 2018, 12:14:01 am
We should have dealt with him the first time. This whole, "My religious freedom means I don't have to answer to the emperor" thing is spreading.
Don't think arresting the Archpriest is going to go over well.
Post by: helmacon on April 27, 2018, 12:20:22 am
We should have dealt with him the first time. This whole, "My religious freedom means I don't have to answer to the emperor" thing is spreading.
Don't think arresting the Archpriest is going to go over well.
Gotta rip that band-aid off before it gets worse.
Post by: Prophet on April 27, 2018, 12:49:32 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 27, 2018, 01:24:10 am
Post by: Weirdsound on April 27, 2018, 04:24:30 am
Also, a thought just struck me; We have a brother in the Priesthood of the Pantheon. We could call on him to help us brush up on our Theology, or even help us negotiate on the off chance he has no strong affiliation with either side in this debate.
Reguardless, we should call him to the palace, so that he can stay safe if we do decide to send our military to give the Pantheonists a spanking.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 27, 2018, 08:49:56 am
B Opportunities to make use of our Wise trait seem fairly rare. Lets use them while we can.
Also, a thought just struck me; We have a brother in the Priesthood of the Pantheon. We could call on him to help us brush up on our Theology, or even help us negotiate on the off chance he has no strong affiliation with either side in this debate.
B+1
Good ideas
Post by: omada on April 27, 2018, 08:58:01 am
later if he refuses again we just go visit him, with a deathrattle in his face
Post by: Haspen on April 27, 2018, 11:03:45 am
Finally, the two reply favorably; Thann is willing to meet with you personally to talk about the corruption within Pantheonism, while Pantheonists are inviting you to Luathbas to hold a meeting with their high clergy.
A) I will meet with Thann the Priest only.
B) I will meet with Pantheonists only.
C) I will meet with both.
Post by: omada on April 27, 2018, 11:23:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 27, 2018, 11:25:31 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 27, 2018, 11:30:51 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 27, 2018, 11:33:03 am
This is good. Hearing both sides before a confrontation is vital.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 27, 2018, 12:01:10 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 27, 2018, 12:15:48 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 27, 2018, 12:19:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 27, 2018, 12:33:48 pm
Do we produce anything of value in Donuth? If not, we might consider giving it to one party or another to run an autonomous theocracy of a vassal. I'm all for converting otherwise usefulness land into vassals, which we may call upon for extra troops or monetary tribute in an emergency.
Anyway, C
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 27, 2018, 01:01:01 pm
Question:
Do we produce anything of value in Donuth? If not, we might consider giving it to one party or another to run an autonomous theocracy of a vassal. I'm all for converting otherwise usefulness land into vassals, which we may call upon for extra troops or monetary tribute in an emergency.
I think there's gold in them there hills, or at least the ones northwest of Donuth and likely still within their broad administrative milieu.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 27, 2018, 01:03:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 27, 2018, 06:16:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 28, 2018, 11:42:45 am
You decide to meet with both in Luathbas.
But five days later, once you arrive at Luathbas, its obvious that Thann wants to meet in a small household of Principalist followers, while the Pantheonists refuse to meet anywhere else than Luathbas keep, site of the first Council in 1125 AD.
A) Demand to meet all together in one place.
B) Go have a chat with Thann first, then.
C) Go have a chat with Pantheonist clergy first, then.
D) Obviously, they do not seek cooperation. A wasted trip, this is!
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 28, 2018, 12:18:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 28, 2018, 12:19:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 28, 2018, 12:20:09 pm
Let's get radicalized!
Post by: Haspen on April 28, 2018, 12:52:08 pm
The owners of the home he rests at bow with respect as you enter their humble chambers, and you sit behind a small dining table, with Thann at your left side.
He immediately begins delving into theology and mythology, but you won't be thwarted!
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"You see, Emperor. In the Year of Descent, when the divine Gods of Pantheon descended upon our lands, they taught the savage peoples how to build homes, how to plant crops, how to navigate rivers and how to refine rocks in the mountains. But our peoples grew proud, and after thirty three years, the Gods returned to their home in the heavens. Thirty three Gods were revered as the Pantheon, and all was good and proper till four hundred years later."
You recall the ancient texts about Council of Lech.
"In the year five hundred sixteen After Descent, the Pantheonist clerics have decided to include most blessed miracle workers from times past. Those were the likes like Anwyn, from under whose feet grass and flowers sprung with each step and who made the river Oach move again, or the mighty Caellach, who singlehandedly wrestled four dragons to death and then sacrificed himself to absorb all of their poisonous blood that would otherwise pollute the farmlands of Luathbas. So then, there were no thirty three, but forty six Gods."
He then goes on, and with each God he mentions, you notice a pattern; their deeds that earned them inclusion into Pantheon become more and more mundane. And the numbers bloated rather rapidly, to 77 by late 700s, and then up to 90 before turn of millenium and up and up till 111 in year 1066 AD.
"And the most recent addition, your honorable brother Leath. For what he has done to the peoples of the world? Did he slay terrible beasts and ushered an era of peace? Did his touch cure the permamently sick or revive those upon deathbed? No, I say, all he did was being a good diplomat. And thus in Pantheon, there are nowadays more Men than Gods. We put mere mortals on the equal terms with those who came from heavens and enlightened us. If this is not the blasphemy of highest order upon the divine beings, then I do not know what is." The followers of his heresy that sit behind him nod and murmur in agreement, while Thann reclines in his chair.
"Today's Pantheon is nothing worthy of praise nor worship. It must be remade - it must be brought down and revered in its original form, else it becomes naught but farce."
A) I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED! This man is the TRUEST of Pantheonists, and I shall follow his teachings!
B) He speaks wisely and smartly. I will let his people follow his teachings; the Pantheonists have no power here!
C) The man has some good points, but I ought to talk with Pantheonists as well.
D) An orthodox heretic with dangerous conviction, and he insulted Leath to boot. To dungeon with him!
And there we go, finally I had chance to share bits of the mythology of Pantheonism as well as explain what really happened at year zero of Descent calendar. Double score \o/
Post by: Lucus Casius on April 28, 2018, 12:54:21 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 28, 2018, 12:54:52 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on April 28, 2018, 12:57:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 28, 2018, 01:07:19 pm
Nice lore!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 28, 2018, 01:15:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 28, 2018, 01:19:47 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 28, 2018, 01:26:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 28, 2018, 01:45:49 pm
C
Post by: Rockeater on April 28, 2018, 01:57:24 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 28, 2018, 03:11:58 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 28, 2018, 03:46:00 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on April 28, 2018, 05:29:40 pm
Always hear both sides.
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2018, 02:46:31 am
After a short while, you're seated amongst Pantheonist high clergy, but they seem a little bit teensy. They know; they know you disregarded their powerful circle for a meeting with the heretic first.
Eleven people begin 'teaching' you about Pantheonist faith.
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You learn quite a few things.
"Thann doesn't want to go back to the most pure of our tenets; he is just picking up ones he wants to follow. He forgets that during the first Council, it was the Pantheon Gods themselves who revealed their wish to have greater numbers to the oracles of our faith. Since then, we have been enlarging the Pantheon, simply following their wishes." You mention the 'watering down' of every new candidate, at which the priests scoff.
"The heretic forgets what times we live in!" Says the Archpriest. "He speaks that our candidates are not worthy, but what else we have? People were doing miracles five hundred years ago. Today, it is era of powerful warriors, skilled diplomats and efficient monarchs, so it is natural we will be enshrining peoples from this stock. If Thann cannot see that we have to adapt to the rigors of current day, then he is a backwards-thinking lunatic." Other Pantheonist priests murmur and nod in agreement.
You've heard both sides. It's time for decision.
A) Thann's heresy is acceptable to me. It should spread freely amongst those of Methiantese who wish to listen to the man.
B) Thann's heresy is fanatical orthodoxy that has no place in modern times. It shouldn't be encouraged by the state.
C) Thann is a dangerous man who is sowing discontent amongst the faithful. He needs to be removed to protect the true Pantheonism!
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 29, 2018, 03:37:47 am
Post by: Taricus on April 29, 2018, 04:09:15 am
Post by: ZBridges on April 29, 2018, 04:09:46 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 29, 2018, 05:06:47 am
If the priests are correct that the gods actually asked them for this (which is of course by no means certain because their oracles could just be total failures), then I can't see Thann as deserving any support whatsoever.
Post by: Twinwolf on April 29, 2018, 07:15:15 am
Post by: birdy51 on April 29, 2018, 07:29:45 am
B
Post by: vastaghen12 on April 29, 2018, 10:19:06 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 29, 2018, 10:23:24 am
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on April 29, 2018, 11:08:26 am
Post by: crazyabe on April 29, 2018, 11:27:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2018, 12:14:34 pm
I'm not sure whether A is "I agree with the dude let's help it" or "It falls under freedom of religion." If the latter I'd vote for it, but unsure.
Ill take the risk and vote A.
"Acceptable" sounds a lot like our decision over Enyn's teachings, when we refused to persecute just because the religious leaders hated him.
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 29, 2018, 12:16:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2018, 12:20:56 pm
1169 AD, Autumn
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Diplomatic corps bring terrible news from Parsia!
It seems that during one of his drunken binges, Saenn did the unthinkable and laid with virgin daughter of one of high ranking Parsian noblemen. Her stomach recently grew to the point her pregnancy couldn't be hidden anymore.
Because Parsian law forbids having children before marriage, and mixed religion children are greatly frowned upon, the court of King Alalkan is in uproar. His courtiers call for lynching of Saenn and stoning of Hapsa, the girl he laid with.
King Alalkan is running damage control, trying to calm down his nobles and appease the lawmakers, but he hasn't asked you for neither assistance nor guidance. Still, your diplomats urge that you take action; the fragile relations with Parsia might crumble if this affair is handled wrongly!
A) Saenn is in Parsia, is a Parsian Vizier, and has broken Parsian law - he should be judged like Parsian, too.
B) Time to remind everyone whose brother Saenn is, and that they better not cross me.
C) Saenn's safety is in danger; I should dispatch troops to Karasau to see that no harm's done to him!
D) It's King Alalkan's domain; I will tell him in a letter to do as he fits and what he thinks is best for his country.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2018, 12:23:06 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 29, 2018, 12:27:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 29, 2018, 12:30:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 29, 2018, 01:16:09 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 29, 2018, 01:18:22 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on April 29, 2018, 01:21:17 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 29, 2018, 01:36:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 29, 2018, 01:41:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 29, 2018, 01:53:46 pm
We should sternly remind the Parsians where they stand, before recalling both the stupid wino brother and the girl to Methiant, forcing them to wed, and nameing a new visor. Is our son old enough for the job yet? The visor position would give our heir leadership experience, and perhaps lead to close relations with Parsia when he takes the throne.
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2018, 02:19:14 pm
1169 AD, Mid-Autumn
The court at Parsia have reached a decision; such a walking blasphemy that is Saenn and Hapsa cannot be allowed to live in Parsia anymore, and shall be exiled to Methiant, and entire Parsian court stands by this decision.
King Alalkan, in a separate letter, politely asks for appointment of a new Vizier.
A) That will be my son and heir, Bjern!
B) I'm sure there's some skilled diplomat amongst noblemen at my court.
Post by: ZBridges on April 29, 2018, 02:21:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 29, 2018, 02:22:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 29, 2018, 02:30:21 pm
Hopefully Saenn and Hapsa marry. Some nieces and nephews to serve as backup heirs would be nice... although I guess we could use that bastard bun in the oven if we had too.
Post by: Prophet on April 29, 2018, 02:32:32 pm
Post by: birdy51 on April 29, 2018, 02:36:44 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 29, 2018, 02:42:04 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 29, 2018, 02:58:23 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 29, 2018, 03:45:51 pm
Post by: Arlos on April 29, 2018, 04:15:26 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on April 29, 2018, 04:45:24 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 29, 2018, 05:50:41 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2018, 06:02:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2018, 11:52:43 pm
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One from diplomatic corps, Ulin Lanusther, has been sent as next Vizier of Parsia.
1169 AD, Late Autumn
It seems that Saenn has failed to arrive at your palace after all!
Spymaster's agents have found out his whereabouts; he has moved with his pregnant girlfriend to Ceodwell, and is hiding at the mansion of one of local minor nobles, a friend of his.
A) Fine, he can stay there.
B) Send the troops to bring Saenn home by force.
C) Send him a letter of summons, along with map to the capital just in case.
Post by: Taricus on April 29, 2018, 11:55:15 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 29, 2018, 11:56:56 pm
he strikes me as not to bright...
Post by: ZBridges on April 30, 2018, 12:14:46 am
Post by: Rockeater on April 30, 2018, 12:15:34 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 30, 2018, 12:17:53 am
Post by: helmacon on April 30, 2018, 12:18:54 am
Ceasse your faggotry
*Faggotry intensifies*
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on April 30, 2018, 12:35:15 am
I SAID CEASSE IT!Ceasse your faggotry
*Faggotry intensifies*
Post by: Weirdsound on April 30, 2018, 12:49:09 am
Why do I get a feeling he is hiding something from us? If he was afraid of Parsain vengeance, he would want to be back home at the palace, where the damn Shadowranks can watch his back.
Perhaps I am overthinking this, and he just wants to keep his pregnant girlfriend in one place until she has given birth and recovered.
Post by: Puppyguard on April 30, 2018, 01:09:45 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 30, 2018, 02:51:37 am
Post by: mightymushroom on April 30, 2018, 07:40:53 am
If he self-exiles himself, it saves us from a troublesome brother cluttering up the palace and the line of succession for our children.
Post by: birdy51 on April 30, 2018, 07:58:34 am
Let him stew it out. The boy isn't worth our time.
Post by: Harry Baldman on April 30, 2018, 09:54:58 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 30, 2018, 02:48:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 11:25:57 am
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You send him a letter of summons.
1169 AD, Winter
Gold and silver bullion arrives from east and north. Gems are sent northwards, of course.
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Glassware failed to bring profits, however.
Two messengers anxiously await your audience; one is from Lord Tinnan, the nobleman sheltering Saenn and his 'bride', and the other is from Orcworld Fortress, with report on meeting of new peoples.
A) Family dealings need to be solved first!
B) Oooh, new peoples? Tell me about them!
Post by: crazyabe on May 01, 2018, 11:26:43 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 01, 2018, 11:26:57 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 01, 2018, 11:28:20 am
Post by: andrea on May 01, 2018, 11:29:57 am
important things first
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 01, 2018, 11:30:49 am
Post by: omada on May 01, 2018, 11:35:18 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 01, 2018, 12:23:27 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 01, 2018, 12:43:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 01:09:44 pm
Saenn is afraid of his failure, and worries that naught but death awaits him after his drunkiness got him into deep trouble. He asks for forgiveness and wishes to move to Damdamia to live in peace, and is ready to give up claims of his and his children to the throne of Methiant if you will be so kind and lenient.
A) Oh, well, sure thing.
B) Nah, he comes back to the palace first.
C) My soldiers will hunt him down, he needs to be brought before justice - before me!
Post by: Taricus on May 01, 2018, 01:10:56 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 01, 2018, 01:11:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 01, 2018, 01:12:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 01, 2018, 01:13:35 pm
Sure, who gives a shit if he wants to go, really? We don't really need a drunkard around fucking shit up do we?
Post by: Rockeater on May 01, 2018, 01:16:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 01:49:33 pm
Next is messenger from Orcworld.
"Sire! A new tribe of peoples have arrived at the Fortress. They're birdmen, well, if birdmen had beaks made of flesh and skin with nostrils on the tip. Anyways!"
He gives you a written report from the fortress' commander; the birdmen were very enthusiastic about meeting with Methiantese, if their expressions were any indication. Their chirping language is of course unlike any in Methiant or our world, but they were able to communicate with body language. They gladly exchanged various gold and copper trinkets, as well as decorative feather accessories and some black 'glass' they had embedded in sticks and clubs. The glass is of very good sharpness, and is possibly used by the birdmen for tools and weapons. Furthermore, they were clearly agitated when they were shown some bones and skins of the flying lizards and their snake mistresses.
At the end of the exchange, the birdmen indicated they came from north-northwesternly direction, and, considering they behavior, they seemed to be inviting your soldiers and scholars to come visit.
The commander sent this dispatch to ask whether he should authorize an expedition into the unwelcoming mountains.
A) Nuh-uh, the snake ladies are there somewhere. No expedition.
B) Send a small group of scouts instead.
C) A proper expedition with proper guard detail (and gifts) will do.
Post by: Rockeater on May 01, 2018, 01:54:34 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on May 01, 2018, 02:14:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 03:21:23 pm
1169 AD, Midwinter
Saenn has fled to Kingdom of Ysirene! Apparently, the messenger sent to you was a ruse; by the time he returned to the nobleman, your brother was already packed and left with his girlfriend - actually, wife, as they hastily married in an Alldivinist ceremony.
As for the nobleman who was hiding Saenn and likely helped him escape...
A) Dungeon him!
B) Let him go.
C) Demand an explanation and an apology.
As for your escapist brother...
A) Send some adventurers into Ysirene after him.
B) Send a letter to King of Ysirene, asking to help locate your missing relative.
C) Let him go.
D) Send your spies into Ysirene after him.
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 01, 2018, 03:28:40 pm
C
This isn't really worth the effort.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 01, 2018, 03:30:39 pm
C
C
This isn't really worth the effort.
I'd normally agree with this, but might as well take the chance to get to know the ruler of Ysirene a bit.
Post by: Prophet on May 01, 2018, 03:39:54 pm
B
Well I mean as far as I know we just wanted him to come back to the capital and weren't going to punish him but now he's done this. I mean really Saenn? Why do you have to make everything difficult?
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 01, 2018, 03:44:53 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 01, 2018, 04:00:04 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 01, 2018, 04:02:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 04:05:50 pm
You demand an apology from the nobleman, and send a letter to Ysirene asking for assistance.
1168 AD, Late Winter
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Tails
Blub-blub, goes your belly when your wife pokes it.
For whole year, you tried to exercise more to get fit. There was horse-riding, hunting and skirmishing with the soldiers. But you guess the horse-riding could be a bit less leisurely, the hunting not done from horseback, and skirmishing involved more than swinging swords. Still...
"What are you poking, woman? Muscle, not fat!" Bjeda rolls her eyes and returns to her book.
Congratulations! Yoe III gained fat negative trait!
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Merchants crossing into Methiant are expressing displeasure with your taxes and establishment of commision. Unhappy merchants lead to unhappy nobles, and so on.
1168 AD, End of the Year
Calm, almost autumnal weather outside provides a nice backdrop for the yearly ritual that is arrival of the Advisor with Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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5to6, 3to6(3to6)
Happiness: 4
Population: 5
Economy: 9
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -1
"My liege! The money! Just like the amount of recruits joining our Army, it is aplenty!"
What will you do?
A) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
B) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
C) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
E) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
F) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
G) Refurbish old fortresses in the border regions.
H) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
"Although the authority seems a bit low, mayhaps you wish to issue an Edict?"
A) No.
B) Yes.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 01, 2018, 04:08:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2018, 04:10:04 pm
GB
RUUUUUULE BRITTANIA!
BRITTANIA RUUUULE THE WAAAVES!
sorry not sorry :P
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 01, 2018, 04:16:30 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 01, 2018, 04:18:45 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 01, 2018, 04:20:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 01, 2018, 04:25:49 pm
Our relationship with Cydwyl seems to have cooled off since Cyl and Erik both died. Perhaps we can rekindle it with coin.
Alternatively, I wouldn't mind throwing money at Rucus to make sure we are on their good side. I don't much care for Damndamians, but they have a Martial Leader, and we do not, so I'd rather not wind up fighting them again anytime soon, and they still might resent our invasion of Lamentia.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 01, 2018, 04:27:19 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 01, 2018, 04:28:06 pm
It's always good to keep your fortress nice and maintained.
Post by: ZBridges on May 01, 2018, 05:03:40 pm
Post by: omada on May 01, 2018, 06:27:15 pm
fort recover is a "one time" deal and maybe we will get enough money for these other options next year
C is nice, we need to undo the shit our diplomat did
B fits nicely with my agenda of returning magic to the land and trying to convince the sorcerer OR to make we prosper again or an magical beast for us to breed, but later we can do this
Post by: Arlos on May 01, 2018, 06:36:47 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 01, 2018, 06:42:10 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 01, 2018, 06:55:29 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 01, 2018, 07:38:03 pm
Send it to Parsia so they can rebuild!
Post by: mightymushroom on May 01, 2018, 09:11:27 pm
A
Haspen, are the fields and vineyards in Tiftit being repaired? 'Cause if they might be looking for financial assistance...
Post by: Haspen on May 02, 2018, 12:09:46 am
ga ga ga ga ga
ab
fa
ha ha
ca ca ca ca
You decide to repair and renovate forts and keeps in border regions.
1169 AD, Spring
There's awful lots of migrating to the unclaimed lands in far northwest! Apparently, the fertility of the flatlands there has been underestimated for a while, and people find plenty of water and living space there. A lot of families were given grants and money to start their new, exciting life in the area.
Some of the more adventurous ones want to go much further and seek richesi n the northern mountains, on the other side of Empty Plain. A delegation of noblemen connected to them has just arrived, asking for sponsorship of an expedition to prospect and colonize the mountains up there.
A) That's too far for us, let's stay close.
B) Sure thing. More land, more resources.
Post by: helmacon on May 02, 2018, 12:20:51 am
Expansion!
Post by: ZBridges on May 02, 2018, 12:28:12 am
Post by: Puppyguard on May 02, 2018, 12:38:19 am
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 01:02:29 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 02, 2018, 01:07:57 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 01:13:35 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 02, 2018, 02:04:53 am
Post by: Iituem on May 02, 2018, 04:09:41 am
Post by: Prophet on May 02, 2018, 07:32:24 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 02, 2018, 08:20:04 am
Post by: Imic on May 02, 2018, 08:40:05 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 02, 2018, 08:44:27 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 10:38:25 am
B Well I mean we are obligated to give anyone willing to go money to help with expanding if I remember correctly. I'd rather not be an oathbreaker. Methiantese/Luathbasian honor is the most honorable of honors after all! Unlike some foreigners *COUGH*Eldrican*COUGH* we don't go back on our word.
We are obligated to give money to individual settlers. These are nobles looking to fund their own personal prospecting and colonization project. I think we could turn them down if we actually wanted to.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 02, 2018, 11:16:42 am
Post by: omada on May 02, 2018, 12:44:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 02, 2018, 03:29:14 pm
1169 AD, Mid-Spring
A reply comes from Rolant, King of Ysirene:
He is not interested in your familial disputes and thus is not going to find Saenn for you.
A) Fine then.
B) My soldiers will find him!
C) My spies will find him!
Post by: Imic on May 02, 2018, 03:30:30 pm
Might as well keep this civil....
... Let's not be an ass to him when he gets back, though.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 03:39:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 02, 2018, 03:43:10 pm
I honestly wouldn't care, but sooner or later his kids will come back "one true heir" style if we let him go. Regardless of his personal disavouments.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 02, 2018, 03:43:16 pm
Now I'm wondering just how far we can take this.
Post by: birdy51 on May 02, 2018, 03:46:16 pm
Honestly, at this point I'm only voting C to see how far this goes.
Post by: Haspen on May 02, 2018, 03:54:42 pm
1169 AD, Summer
The Treasurer, the trade advisors and mine administrators have gathered to bring important and rather unsettling news. Currently, a significant part of Treasury is filled by pure silver and gold bullion, minted directly into coins. Over the years, the amount of bullion produced and thus coins minted increased significantly, and this caused the worth of the coin itself to be devalued. The findings of recently created Trade Commission helped cement the growing suspicion; Methiantese silver and gold coins are steadily losing on their value, causing prices to go higher and people's wealth to diminish.
The financiers advise you to take some steps to counter this problem, lest rapid inflation becomes a thing in the Empire.
A) Bah, who cares? We can always mint more coin!
B) We will curb silver and gold production, and thus reduce minting.
C) We will produce crafts out of silver and gold, and sell those on the market or abroad.
D) The dwarves are exceptional bankers according to lore and hearsays, maybe they could help us?
Post by: helmacon on May 02, 2018, 03:57:46 pm
I'm a bit ashamed that my first thoughts on a post about inflation are. "Oh. Now things are getting interesting"
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 02, 2018, 03:58:59 pm
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 04:02:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 02, 2018, 04:03:50 pm
Oh no! There's too much gold in them there hills!
Post by: crazyabe on May 02, 2018, 04:04:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 04:06:35 pm
Honestly, as anti-dwarf as I was during Cyl's time, I think we have an opportunity to get in good with them. I think they have many reasons to want to be our friend. We control a powerful and organized trade Empire at what seems to be the center of the human world, are finding strange minerals (sparkly copper and sharp glass) that may be of use to them, and the Eldrican Kingdom, which was once their ally, seems to be converting to The Cult of the Damned, which doesn't care for dwarves.
On top of that, they likely hold self-destruct buttons on two of our artifacts, so we ain't fighting them any time soon.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 02, 2018, 04:09:20 pm
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 04:12:47 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 02, 2018, 04:23:39 pm
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 04:32:49 pm
Of course it could just be asking for advice, but I feel that trade is a safer bet with all our trade laws.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 02, 2018, 04:33:56 pm
Of course it could just be asking for adviceThat's exactly what I read it to be.
Haspen, can you offer clarification here?
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 04:35:15 pm
Of course, there is a good chance that their advice would be to let them take over our minting anyway...
Post by: Haspen on May 02, 2018, 04:37:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 04:39:08 pm
no, but it talks of them as bankers, which might imply stuff like keeping our gold in their vaults, while getting stuff out of it. Most disastreous would be if they minted coins for us like a central bank, since it would be giving them the key to our very life blood ( I am assuming that everything out of dwarven hands has a self destruct button)
Of course it could just be asking for advice, but I feel that trade is a safer bet with all our trade laws.
I bet we could also ask the dwarves take some gold out of circulation by taking them up on that gold for steel trade they proposed awhile back. We have two gold mines now, and their previous asking price was the entire yield of one mine. Haspen said it would take five years of that deal to fully equip our army, and since we are scheduled to get 10 years worth of Parsian Gems as tribute, now would be a good time to take it.
Post by: andrea on May 02, 2018, 04:39:39 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 02, 2018, 04:50:20 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 02, 2018, 04:53:53 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 02, 2018, 05:07:32 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 02, 2018, 05:17:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 02, 2018, 05:24:06 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 02, 2018, 05:41:06 pm
When you have too much money, a dwarf can swiftly fix it.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 02, 2018, 05:59:27 pm
Lets not invite an extremely greedy and immoral foreign power with a huge military to meddle in our economic affairs.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 02, 2018, 06:04:10 pm
C
Lets not invite an extremely greedy and immoral foreign power with a huge military to meddle in our economic affairs.
I'd be inclined to turn down any offer of theirs that allows them too much control over our economy, but I think it is worth hearing them out and potentially buying steel off them.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 02, 2018, 06:53:35 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 02, 2018, 07:04:23 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 02, 2018, 07:10:16 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 02, 2018, 07:30:27 pm
Post by: omada on May 02, 2018, 07:49:13 pm
A thing that D might bring to us, and that i suggested later is they offering a tech for us to make high quality coins, I mean, make everyone see our coins as perfectly shaped and with an exact amount of weight, it will make it a trust-able coin which might become standard for quality
Just imagine a world where a merchant we can trust is a merchant that will always accept in methiantese coins?
Of course, later we will have to deal with people counterfeiting our coins and removing small bits of it to mess with others. BUT HEEY it's still nice
trading some gold for steel is nice, and maybe we might wan't to return business with the Albianese, we can buy their lizard's eggs (Those reptiles don't get scared with fireblood machinery, we can use these animals very well, we can even rent the males for foreign wars) or fur. They only don't want to trade with our coins, but pure gold or gems they won't have problem
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 02, 2018, 07:52:55 pm
D
Post by: Imic on May 03, 2018, 01:21:25 am
Why not. Hopefully we don't get asshole Dwarves again...
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 03:32:01 am
dddddddddddddd
You decide to invite dwarves for talks.
1169 AD, Midsummer
You receive news that your half-aunt, Valhelma, has passed away in her sleep at age 71.
The dwarves arrive at your palace per your summon. They're fat, happy, clean-bearded dwarves wearing many expensive fabrics dyed with brilliant colors. They bow their collective heads to you.
"We've heard your summon, human emperor, and so we come to aid you with your finances. We understand that the problem you have is overabundance of coinage. One offer we have to amend this problem is that we will trade your bullion for what we believe will be of greater use for you - coal, sulphur and cinnabar. These are mined at Ankurvat in rather large quantities, and while we're already selling part of it, we still have a surplus we would be willing to send to Methiant."
"The other is setting up our Vaults in your empire."
He goes on to explain that Vaults are places where dwarves store money of theirs and their clients. Their clients safely deposit their savings in a Vault, and are given a written document, entitling them to recovery of the money at any other vault, even on the other side of the continent. They also offer loans with efficient methods of liquidation, as well as offer services of melting old bullion and striking new coins.
Of course, the dwarves take a small cut from the all these operations. With tens of thousands of clients, even few coins per operation earn massive profits over the span of a year. They've been working with distant Calvendocians and Prawlantese for over a century, and the dwarves attest that everyone is happy in this relationship.
"Or, if it's a more short-term solution you seek, we can send for our runemasters to craft you an artifact in exchange for this year's quota of silver and gold bullion produced by Methiantese mines."
A) My excess gold and silver for Fireblood components? We have a deal!
B) Your brethren mention dwarven steel once. I want that in exchange for our precious metals!
C) These 'Vaults' sound as efficient as they're intriguing. This is the solution we need!
D) Your solutions mean you get my money and I get little in return. No I say!
E) An artifact to burn our excess money with sounds good. Send for the runemasters!
Post by: Taricus on May 03, 2018, 03:35:47 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 03:49:39 am
Haspen told us once that not having access to fire-blood ingredients makes our Fireblood Court cost an extra econ tick. Depending on how much gold they are talking about, I think we automatically break even on that deal.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 03:56:41 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 04:08:26 am
Post by: ZBridges on May 03, 2018, 04:14:06 am
Post by: Imic on May 03, 2018, 04:17:25 am
I like the sound of Dwarven banks.
Post by: helmacon on May 03, 2018, 04:19:10 am
Might actually end up making us money.
BTW, did our military reforms ever get finished?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 04:19:38 am
B, I'm curious if our scholars will be able to figure out how it's made similarly to how they eventually cracked Fireblood.
I'm fairly sure that it requires Iron, which Methiant does not produce. It also likely involves magic, which dworfs can do but hoomans can't.
That said, I'm not opposed to B at all, I just think A is a better deal because I know that it will pay for itself at least in part.
C
I like the sound of Dwarven banks.
We have a university now, and a shit load of income. I don't imagine human controlled banks are too far out, and those don't involve trusting the dwarves not to put self destruct buttons on our money.
Post by: Iituem on May 03, 2018, 05:11:46 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 05:16:27 am
I'm fairly sure that it requires Iron, which Methiant does not produce. It also likely involves magic, which dworfs can do but hoomans can't.
Iron isn't really a hard-to-find capital-R Resource though? That's literally the appeal of iron over bronze? And if we didn't have ready access to iron then what the hell are we smithing our everything from?
Also, I was thinking more in the sense of figuring out how steel is made in general, or at least developing our metallurgical infrastructure while trying to investigate exactly that. Or heck, maybe we have some occultists and magic historians in the House of Learning who could invent some kind of workaround for the dwarven blood magic - the point is, you don't find out if you don't give it a shot.
Post by: Twinwolf on May 03, 2018, 06:31:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 06:41:29 am
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 06:58:30 am
This is a joke in case you didn't notice :P
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bbbbb
c
You ask them about procurement of Dwarven Steel this way.
"No." Their leader responds flatly. "You have scoffed at our metal once, and you will not get a second chance."
A) Bribe them with even more money for the steel.
B) Fine, how about... (pick one of A, C or E from previous post if you vote this).
C) Then begone, we shall have no deals!
Post by: Twinwolf on May 03, 2018, 07:02:26 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 03, 2018, 07:03:07 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 07:05:23 am
Trading our gold for 1 extra econ a year and putting Our military supply chain in the hands of a hostile country is a terrible deal, banks are even worse (seriously, people voting for banks, can you explain why it's a good idea to give economy control in our nation over to a group of people that have been shown to be absolutely ruthlessly greedy AND have a bigger military then us? How is that not an obviously terrible idea...?)
Making crafts is perfectly reasonable.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 07:17:41 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 07:26:24 am
Post by: Iituem on May 03, 2018, 07:26:32 am
Edit: Why are so many people voting for C? There are still perfectly good deals on the table, and Cyl long proved that getting short with dwarves (pun intended) doesn't help.
Post by: crazyabe on May 03, 2018, 07:35:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 07:42:45 am
BA, although mention that should they ever be after lots of gold we'll be willing to discuss steel again in the future.
Edit: Why are so many people voting for C? There are still perfectly good deals on the table, and Cyl long proved that getting short with dwarves (pun intended) doesn't help.
Whats the good deal? Paying gold for something we already buy for a minmal amount? Unless they want less then 1 econ worth of gold per year it doesn't seem like we get anything from that deal except giving the dwarves the ability to disrupt our military when they choose. Certainly letting them set up banks is a terrible deal for us.
Maybe steel could be worth paying double... Maybe. But no one seems to be voting for that.
If there was a polite way to say "Well, sorry no deal bye." I would vote for that, but there is not.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 03, 2018, 07:44:05 am
They will offer steel again eventually.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 03, 2018, 07:53:11 am
Post by: Taricus on May 03, 2018, 07:59:21 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 03, 2018, 08:51:57 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 03, 2018, 09:26:45 am
B E
But I don't mind artifact now and seeing if we can't get crafts going if it pops up again.
Post by: omada on May 03, 2018, 10:00:42 am
what the hell is the deal? 1 economy for 1 economy?
Okay okay okay, it will also mean our money will still be valuable, and maybe we can have higher stocks of fireblood? I remenber some long battles we having problem with the stock running out
Haspen: Can we chose BA AND have crafts? we are wise, we know we are likely to find more mines with these settlement projects, we also know that is the perfect moment to talk with them about Tift wine and to give them a sample
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 11:36:59 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 11:43:15 am
BA, although mention that should they ever be after lots of gold we'll be willing to discuss steel again in the future.
Edit: Why are so many people voting for C? There are still perfectly good deals on the table, and Cyl long proved that getting short with dwarves (pun intended) doesn't help.
We're not getting short with the dwarves, it's just that they don't have anything of value to offer us. The Fireblood ingredients are a terrible deal because we spend gold for Fireblood ingredients already, and probably less of it at that than we would offloading gold to the dwarves. The Vaults don't seem all that useful either - the dwarven steel was something that could be useful militarily and constituted a new kind of trade good that we could find additional uses for, but since they're not offering it we might as well try and make something cool out of that gold ourselves - such as excellent art with the help of a state patronage program that could advance us culturally and produce new economically relevant goods in their own right.
Post by: omada on May 03, 2018, 11:47:37 am
BA, although mention that should they ever be after lots of gold we'll be willing to discuss steel again in the future.
Edit: Why are so many people voting for C? There are still perfectly good deals on the table, and Cyl long proved that getting short with dwarves (pun intended) doesn't help.
We're not getting short with the dwarves, it's just that they don't have anything of value to offer us. The Fireblood ingredients are a terrible deal because we spend gold for Fireblood ingredients already, and probably less of it at that than we would offloading gold to the dwarves. The Vaults don't seem all that useful either - the dwarven steel was something that could be useful militarily and constituted a new kind of trade good that we could find additional uses for, but since they're not offering it we might as well try and make something cool out of that gold ourselves - such as excellent art with the help of a state patronage program that could advance us culturally and produce new economically relevant goods in their own right.
C, convinced
and we can call Agaresians, we can talk with Calvedocians and other foreign nations
Will gutba accept silver for spices again?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 03, 2018, 12:18:52 pm
By banking with the dwarves, we decrease the bonus for conflict against us by putting up potential collateral in terms of future income, in essence we secure one front.
Post by: birdy51 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:56 pm
I would rather have art, then collateral. That or festivals.
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 01:39:24 pm
bc
be
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7 votes for c and 7 for ba
Nyeeeeh ;v
Post by: Baffler on May 03, 2018, 01:40:52 pm
Post by: Arlos on May 03, 2018, 01:53:49 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 03, 2018, 01:54:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 02:02:40 pm
The council reconvenes; truly calling the dwarves was waste of time. How will the Empire deal with rising inflation?
A) We don't have to! We can always mint some more coin.
B) We will diversify into gold- and silver-work.
C) We will lower the production quotas at the mines.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 03, 2018, 02:03:42 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 02:04:42 pm
We should spec into the economic edict tree further until we can unlock Institute Fiat Currency
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 02:05:02 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 02:07:48 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 03, 2018, 02:09:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 02:22:31 pm
Few days later, a bit late report comes from fur traders.
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1to3
Profits this year were quite mediocre, unfortunately.
1169 AD, Autumn
After few years of fixing things up in Tiftit, Springwine flows once more!
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2to5
It has found its buyers rather easily.
1169 AD, Mid-Autumn
You sigh in relief as the loud cry of a babe fills the chambers of Bjern and Ruberta. Your heir's wife has given birth to your first grandchild; a girl, which she named 'Rinilda'.
1169 AD, Winter
Part of gold and silver arrive in the Treasury; gems are sent north.
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5to6
Glassware sells splendidly, and the quality of the wares was praised by all who bought it from the Crown's merchants.
Speaking of merchants, the silver and golden crafts have been made and await to be sold, the merchants are just asking - where?
A) To nobles and people of Methiant, of course.
B) I'm sure we can search for some buyers in neighbouring countries.
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 02:25:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 02:30:35 pm
We need to get this shit out of Methiant to help with inflation.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 02:31:33 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 03, 2018, 02:33:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 02:38:12 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 02:40:15 pm
Post by: andrea on May 03, 2018, 02:43:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 03, 2018, 02:49:24 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 03, 2018, 02:56:57 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 03:17:13 pm
1169 AD, Midwinter
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1!*
Instead of positive replies from the north, you receive a letter full of dissapointment. Apparently, merchants from the north, who were trying to make money in Methiant, have been for years getting angry about the passage tax and blatant favoritism of the government. The recent establishment of a Commission soured their tastes more than enough, and thus turned with their complaints to their leaders.
Albionese have broken the trade deal they had with you, and longer will sell your merchants any furs and skins! Meanwhile, Helliste and Cydwyls are refusing to agree to buy your wares.
A) Mayhaps a bribe will help? Come on, our pricing is the best and our wares of best quality.
B) Fine then, there's plenty of markets in the world that we can conquer.
C) This is an insult, and they shall pay for it! Time to go to war and protect our trades!
Post by: Kashyyk on May 03, 2018, 03:20:38 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 03, 2018, 03:22:11 pm
Some fine jewelry, perhaps!
Post by: Arlos on May 03, 2018, 03:39:13 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 03, 2018, 03:40:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 03:49:34 pm
Fuck. I think we are screwed without the fur deal. Gotta try and salvage that.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 03:54:00 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 04:07:38 pm
Rip.
I guess we should cancel that.
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 04:15:56 pm
1169 AD, Late Winter
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2
Not only your attempt at the bribe enraged the Kings of Cydwyl, Helliste and Albion, your courtiers themselves are murmuring about that your 'so-called' wisdom seems to be failing you recently. You can bet your Authority has took a hit.
Meanwhile, reports come from administrators and foremen around the Empire; border keeps have been, except few instances, all refurbished and repaired.
1169 AD, End of the Year
As the icy rain pelts your servants working outside on the courtyard, you muse on life and your decisions and future of the Empire. Then the time of musing comes to and end, because the Advisor shows up with Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
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1to3(4to6)
Happiness: 5
Population: 5
Economy: 6
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -1
"Sire, our Army itches for a fight. It's numerous, it's well equipped, and expertly trained, and ready to fight!"
A) It won't get any fights though.
B) We ought to punish the Eldricans for not fully honoring that old deal.
C) Let's kick Parsian' arse once more, why not.
D) Northern lands do require a beating, on second thought. I've been too friendly towards them over the years.
E) About time we had a rematch with those pesky Lametanians and Rucusians.
F) The dwarves are too arrogant for me. We should knock them down a notch, he he.
G) We need to cleanse the Orcworld of its orcs!
"Your authority has been mended despite recent failure with northern monarchs, so mayhaps you would like to issue an Edict?"
A) Indeed.
B) Nah.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 03, 2018, 04:17:59 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 03, 2018, 04:19:31 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 04:20:34 pm
Post by: omada on May 03, 2018, 04:20:47 pm
AA for now because we enraged Cydwyl two times in a row, maybe we will really need to beat someone to accept our trade deals
or the orc world, organize a large expedition to many places is a okay thing, what happened with the scouts?
Post by: Taricus on May 03, 2018, 04:20:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 04:21:21 pm
No option for Orcworld
Discover a civilization there first v:
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 04:21:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 03, 2018, 04:29:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 03, 2018, 04:34:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 03, 2018, 04:39:10 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 03, 2018, 04:40:28 pm
B
I'd say that the matter of their dishonor would finally be settled once and for all if we took the Duchy of Koi as payment for their oathbreaking.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 03, 2018, 04:41:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 03, 2018, 04:43:07 pm
The Eldricans are the one nation that isn't pissed off at us right now. I'm sure somebody will give us an excuse for war if we wait long enough.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 03, 2018, 04:43:42 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 03, 2018, 04:50:30 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 03, 2018, 06:04:18 pm
Post by: omada on May 03, 2018, 10:36:23 pm
relations
helliste: pissed
Cydwyll: doubly pissed, we should maybe give them a gift
albionese: pissed, revoked fur trade
agaresians: may guard resentment? should try to make a trade deal with them
parsian: would be possible to trade after what we had done?
Eldrican: owe us a lot of money, did nothing against us, no trade deal either. we should try
dwarves: a bit pissed,
rucus and lametania: err... they seem O.K enough with us, they probably are sad because of the fur stuff would they want fine goldy crafts?
gutba: as parsia, they are breathing again after a war, maybe a trade deal shall help them? maybe they don't want that spice thaat much
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 03, 2018, 10:46:40 pm
AA
Its what our brother needs...
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 03, 2018, 11:19:28 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 03, 2018, 11:53:09 pm
No pruning of the orc nomads?
Hmmm, okay, a crusade won't hurt ;v
Added. I'm not home for next couple hours if someone wants to change.
Post by: Puppyguard on May 04, 2018, 12:26:12 am
Post by: andrea on May 04, 2018, 01:03:03 am
Reconaissance in force at orcworld!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 04, 2018, 01:51:42 am
Probably worth noting that we have a border with the Gubtas now so that might also be a valid option not too long from now.
Speaking of, should probably look into developing trade connections with them as well as the Parsians.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 04, 2018, 04:55:03 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 04, 2018, 06:27:48 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 04, 2018, 08:56:15 am
Post by: Haspen on May 04, 2018, 09:33:35 am
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MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1135 AD: Proclaimed Religious Equality:
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1142 AD: Established Passage Tax:
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1154 AD: Established Religion Tax:
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Post by: crazyabe on May 04, 2018, 09:36:32 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 04, 2018, 09:38:20 am
Definitely want to get that cartographical school soon, though.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 04, 2018, 09:43:53 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 04, 2018, 09:55:01 am
Post by: Baffler on May 04, 2018, 09:57:49 am
Post by: Prophet on May 04, 2018, 10:47:33 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 04, 2018, 11:04:48 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 04, 2018, 11:15:39 am
We still have positive cash flow.
Revoke Passage Tax
Post by: omada on May 04, 2018, 11:33:26 am
revoking passage tax is still nice, more immigrants to these rich lands bring more taxes
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 04, 2018, 01:05:19 pm
peasants need rights
Post by: Criptfeind on May 04, 2018, 01:13:40 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 04, 2018, 01:15:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 04, 2018, 01:19:23 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on May 04, 2018, 01:33:51 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 04, 2018, 01:36:43 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 04, 2018, 02:33:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 04, 2018, 02:55:06 pm
Rights are bad for peasants. Rights may contain substances known to the state of Methiant to cause cancer. Peasant cancer.
Plutocracy.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 04, 2018, 04:04:22 pm
>:L
Post by: birdy51 on May 04, 2018, 04:35:03 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 04, 2018, 04:56:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 04, 2018, 10:27:05 pm
If you people are gonna go all the way being anti-Peasant, why don't you invest in Brutalist Architecture and wear black painted armor already, put those peasants ont he spikes for not working as hard.What makes you think I don't?
>:L
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 07:59:33 am
1170 AD, Spring
You receive news from the delegates sent south; Kingdom of Rucus was going to complain that there's no furs for them, but their nobles seem easily placated with prospect of goldwork being sent their way instead.
A) Sure thing!
B) Nah, they're not worthy.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 08:02:31 am
Can't say no to fair trade!
Post by: Criptfeind on May 05, 2018, 08:06:54 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 08:08:48 am
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 08:24:01 am
1170 AD, Summer
There were torrential rains this month, indundating many fields across the region, with Methiant of course being mostly spared, thanks to the protection of the Rainbow Scepter.
Unfortunately for all involved, Evalian farmlands weren't so lucky. Many villages were floode and numerous fields washed clean of young crops. Council of Eval has sent formal request to Emperor of Methiant to send over money to help rebuild and feed the suffering Evalians.
A) Evalian floods, Evalian problems.
B) Of course we will send the money.
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on May 05, 2018, 08:34:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 05, 2018, 08:43:34 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 08:44:17 am
Post by: Arlos on May 05, 2018, 09:21:27 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 05, 2018, 09:27:37 am
We don't want them thinking they'd be better off in the Rucusian sphere of influence.
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 09:48:27 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 05, 2018, 09:48:55 am
The benefits of Meth.
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 10:11:12 am
Later you receive a letter of praise and gratitude from Evalian peoples.
1170 AD, Autumn
Springwine and goldwork sales have been tallied up!
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Both bring some profits.
1170 AD, Mid-Autumn
However, the silverwork remains piled up and your merchants have failed to find a buyer for them.
A) Melt it down and mint coins out of it, lest it goes to waste.
B) Fine then, we will sell them to my nobles. At a good price, of course.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 05, 2018, 10:12:34 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 10:14:00 am
2.How the hell we cause inflation of gold and silver, they are shiny.
Post by: birdy51 on May 05, 2018, 10:18:01 am
All shall be fed on silver plates and spoons!
Post by: omada on May 05, 2018, 10:18:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 10:22:48 am
Let's see what our budget looks like after the trade shakeup, maybe we can afford that state patronage after all.
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 10:31:12 am
1170 AD, Winter
Part of silver and gold arrives in the Treasury, along with gemstones.
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Profits from glassware are rather dissappointing.
You receive a report from Orcworld Fortress; the scouts haven't been seen since their departure, and the commander worries about their fate.
A) Send a second group of scouts to find the first.
B) Clearly, we ought to wait a little more.
Post by: omada on May 05, 2018, 10:32:11 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 10:37:24 am
This really is a distressingly repeating pattern.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 05, 2018, 10:38:37 am
Post by: omada on May 05, 2018, 10:50:03 am
"too dangerous to go alone, always send an big army that can fight back"
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 11:59:20 am
You order them to send another party to the mountains in Orcworld.
1170 AD, Midwinter
Empress Iva of Holy Damdamian Empire has died, and with her, died the hardline monarchist support. The republicans, the theocrats, the royalists and the kings and dukes across the gigantic mess of a state agreed to a truce and are going to host a large council in the city of Daris, to discuss the future political and territorial layout of the Damdamian nation, with the young Emperor Hadrian presiding over said council, the scholarly son of Iva himself being a populist and reformer.
Maybe this time Damdamians will get their shit together.
1170 AD, Late Winter
The northernly expedition returns!
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Unfortunately, their assumptions were proven incorrect; they've failed to find any precious ores or minerals on the other side of Empty Plain.
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The revocation of Passage Tax has been taken badly by your merchants (who believe they're now vulnerable) and your courtiers (who believe such a prime source of income should not be canceled). All in all, the mood has dropped in the Empire!
1170 AD, End of the Year
Mm, those salty fried pork scraps are delicious! One would consider them food of the peasants, but you have to say the kitchen's leftovers can be as tasty as your royal meals.
Oh, here is the Advisor! Better wipe your oily fingers, lest the Scrolls of Kingdom Status get dirty.
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Happiness: 3
Population: 5
Economy: 6
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -2
Now what is this!
"Sire, this has been a very bad year for your authority. Not even your statesmen and the crown's magical power, if it truly has any, helped to strengthen your image in the eyes of your subjects."
"The Army grows a bit discontent, too. They clamor for some war; otherwise, they complain, the discipline is taught for naught and the glorious arms and weapons of Methiant grow in rust and mold."
A) No wars!
B) Let's bully the Parsians again!
C) Gotta kick those Lametanian nuts!
D) Time to force our friendship on the Cydwyl!
E) A crusade against Orcworld Orc commences!
F) About time we settle the business with Eldricans!
G) How about a rematch with the Rucusians!
"Despite the abyssmal authority of your office, I have to ask whether you shall issue an Edict this year?"
A) Sure!
B) Nope!
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 05, 2018, 12:01:14 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 05, 2018, 12:01:39 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 12:03:11 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 05, 2018, 12:05:46 pm
Post by: andrea on May 05, 2018, 12:06:31 pm
We have an army, and an entire world full of aggressive things. Perfect match.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 05, 2018, 12:14:57 pm
We have an army, and an entire world full of aggressive things. Perfect match.
Mind you, we also have very low Imperial Authority, unimpressive Happiness and a fresh crop of neighbors that absolutely do not like us, but at least this way we'll get to cull our shitty, shitty army a little bit and maybe give settlement efforts a kick in the pants.
Post by: birdy51 on May 05, 2018, 12:30:14 pm
Screw it, let's use our Authority on something people will like~!
Post by: crazyabe on May 05, 2018, 12:31:06 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 05, 2018, 12:33:44 pm
B
Post by: Taricus on May 05, 2018, 12:36:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 05, 2018, 12:42:49 pm
1171 AD, Spring
Already hundreds of soldiers and dozens of wagons of equipment is being prepared to move into Orcworld.
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Silverwork trade brought bigger profits compared to the last time!
1171 AD, Mid-Spring
Peace came to Damdamia!
The nobles and governors and royals and republicans have decided to split the country. The margraves and statesmen who decided to become their own rulers will retain their titles; the Holy Damdamian Empire has been divided in three. Its core lands now lie in the west, where most of monarchist sentiment remains. Ten states belong to the federation under the Emperor, amongst them are Margraviate of Tiallia, State of Tocana, and eight Duchies, located chiefly in the south.
Damdamian Republic has been reborn, the numerous city-states and republican nations forming a new Senate in the middle lands. They've already elected their first Consul, and signed a treaty of non-aggression with Kingdom of Ysirene.
Damedia, a new state, has been created in the lands surrounding the city of Amad, where the main temple of Damed resides. The theocracy is independent, although with only token military force.
Far to the south, there are two small kingdoms, Cadia and Spania, which are oriented toward trade. While small, they govern over most of trade ports of the former Republic (and Empire), and thus will surely play a major role in politics.
All of the states agree to keep the peace as brothers in faith, although how long this peace will last, nobody knows. For now, everyone in former Damdamia has something to do, something to call 'home' and something to look for in the future.
1171 AD, Summer
The crusade against Orcs has begun; four divisions of three thousand men and horses are moving in fan-like dispersion to the south and west of the Orcworld Fortress. Several smaller groups of orcs have been found and eradicated, along with two larger camps.
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Goldenwork sold on Rucusian markets have brought profits comparable with those from silverwork! The Treasurer and other officials are glad to see the bullion and the coins circulate in healthy ways.
1171 AD, Midsummer
During a violent summer storm, you pass the times of darkness in the library, reading books about fanciful creatures and tales of old. Your pleasant time is rudely interrupted by a guard, who announces that you have guests, who came up to the palace's gates on foot.
"Who wishes for an audience in such unpleasant weather?" You ask, and the guard bows in respect.
"Sire, Alissa of Cydwyl and your grand-nephews, Llewyn, Tollin and Aron are begging for a meeting with you."
You hastily make your way downstairs and meet with them in dimly lit chamber. Your wife Bjeda and your son, Bjern, also arrive a short while later, surely disturbed by Alissa's arrival. The family gathers around the table. Few trusted servants bring water, some springwine for Alissa, and plates of meats and bread for the weary travelers to snack upon - except for little Aron who seems to have a voracious appetite, the rest of your relatives from the north seem not to be hungry.
"Thank you for receiving us, Emperor." Alissa smiles, although the smile is forced; as if she was fearful of something. "It's about King Estjald. Recently I begun to ask him about Llewyn's ascension, for Estjald has no bride and has sired no heirs of his own, but each time I'm being rejected with an excuse. He has written no will nor decree who will succeed him. And recently, I've been receiving news that apparently Estjald has been meeting a lot with his Spymaster and other shady figures."
"Grand-uncle!" Llewyn stands up. "My mother tries to say, that there might be a conspiracy to see me and by brothers killed to strengthen uncle Estjald's rule. Who knows, maybe he has always been jealous of my late father's throne, and wishes to keep it forever!"
"Emperor Yoe, I beg you." Alissa claps her hands together. "Truly, the dreaded shadow of tyranny looms over Cydwyl. Please, ensure Llewyn's ascension to the throne, or at least convince Estjald to guarantee it in writing!"
A) "You're clearly over-reacting. Nobles of Cydwyl made Estjald king out of their own will, and I'm sure the crown will peacefully pass into your son's hands one day or another."
B) "I will shelter you for now, and meanwhile I will send a letter to Estjald, inquiring about this situation, the future of Cydwyl, and his current plans for continuation of the dynasty."
C) "I will shelter you for now, and meanwhile I shall send my agents to ascertain Estjald's plans. If he has spies and agents in his employ, it's only natural for us to counter them with agents and spies in my employ."
D) "My own family was chased out of their rightful home by a man who has given in to the shadows? This shall not stand! I will show Estjald the error of his ways - by sword and lance!"
Post by: crazyabe on May 05, 2018, 12:45:26 pm
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Post by: omada on May 05, 2018, 01:06:31 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 05, 2018, 01:32:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 05, 2018, 01:37:16 pm
Just look at our father Cyl. Truly a man to follow the example of in dangerous times... if you catch our meaning Estjald.
Post by: Imic on May 05, 2018, 02:00:39 pm
B *COUGH* Why hello there. You wouldn't be wanting to cheat our flesh and blood out of their inheritance right? Surely you've seen what happens to people who start messing with Methiantese/Luathbasian honor and blood right? I mean you couldn't have missed us starting wars over the last 100 years purely to defend our honor right?+1 yes
Just look at our father Cyl. Truly a man to follow the example of in dangerous times... if you catch our meaning Estjald.
Also, extremely important edit that might count as cheating the game a bit:
Hmm. I don't think I ever asked this but was magic always weakening throughout the game or did it start weakening after the start of the original SPAMKINGDOM? Could we have stopped in from weakening if we had taken actions to strengthen it earlier?
Ok. So the Pantheonist gods descending down to our world and the stuff they did while down here has something to do with the weakening of magic?
No, they gave out magic to humans who didn't have any magic prior :VWe need to get back to Pantheonism right now! Do you want magic back again? Well, Pantheonism! Do you want Wizard people more? Pantheonism! Do you want creepy crows flying in your window and having prophetic chats with you while you sleepwalk? Pantheonism! Do you want to possibly die from falling off a horse again in a creepy holy hunt thing? Pantheonism! Do you want to get rid of all door-to-door salesmen? Pantheonism, people!
By 500s-600s there was scant few magical humans left, and nowadays only elves and dwarves have any innate magic left from all peoples of spamworld.
Post by: andrea on May 05, 2018, 02:15:31 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 05, 2018, 02:25:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 05, 2018, 03:12:46 pm
C
Although I don't see how B is mutually exclusive.
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 05, 2018, 03:37:04 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 05, 2018, 03:57:48 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 05, 2018, 04:06:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 05, 2018, 05:01:16 pm
I wish there was an option to put the crusade on hold until we figure this out, after all, the orcs can wait right, but this might require our attention quite quickly.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 05, 2018, 05:08:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 05, 2018, 11:44:07 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 06, 2018, 12:43:54 am
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 02:50:25 am
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You decide to send spies into Cydwyl to find out Estjald's plans.
1171 AD, Late Summer
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Furious, you dismiss the Spymaster after he delivers the report of failure and susbequent capture of his spies by Estjald's courtiers.
Few hours later, the guards come to tell you that a Cydwyllian emissary has arrived, and demands an audience with you.
A) To the audience room, then!
B) Tell him to go back, I'm kinda busy.
C) Lead him to one of the side chambers.
Post by: ZBridges on May 06, 2018, 02:52:48 am
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Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 06:47:17 am
"King Estjald denounces this outrageous attempt at chaos, Emperor!" The diplomat proclaims loudly shortly after walking into the audience room.
"With much grief, King Estjald will have to reconsider the alliance treaty we have with Methiant, because lately you and your courtiers seem to be actively undermining the friendship between our nations, unless you make amends and apologize to him and Cydwyllian court."
"And what of Llewyn? My son must be made heir!" Alissa shouts from her chair, and the diplomat scoffs. He then opens up a scrolls and begins to read.
"'This is the will of sovereign King Estjald of Cydwy. Hereby I proclaim that my brother Cyl, is to be made heir and successor to the throne of Cydwyl in case of my death or incapacitation. So signeth I, King Estjald, on tenth day of Midsummer of year one thousand hundred seventy one.' And this is the copy of his will, may I present it to you." The diplomat approaches your throne and hands you the paper. Signature and royal seal of Cydwyl are genuine, you can tell.
"And here is the second paper - an edict of exile for you, Lady Alissa, as well as Princess Llewyn, Tolin and Aron." He hands you the second document, and again, you can't see any mark of forgery with your skilled eye. You quickly pass the documents to the Advisor for a quick check-up.
"This is an outrage!" Yells Alissa.
"I am the true heir of Cydwyl!" Llewyn echoes after her.
"An outrage is the despicable manner in which you left the palace of your King, Lady Alissa, taking your children, only to scheme and plot behind King Estjald's back with people whom he considered his most trusted allies!" The envoy replies, only angering Alissa more.
"If he made his will clear instead of collaborating with shadowy people, if he had not ignored my polite inquiries, there would be no such situation!"
"King Estjald wished to see if your son, besides his good health, had any traits indicative of a good ruler, compared to the well-renowned and charismatic man that is Cyl. My liege told me that 'Patience is a virtue, and Lady Alissa has none'. These are words of King Estjald." Alissa's pure red face indicates that she is near boiling point, while Llewyn is gripping on his sword so hard that his knuckles are turning white. The Advisor approaches you and leans to whisper.
"The seals are genuine. Those are truly documents signed by King Estjald." Courtiers are murmuring at your court, and there are many whispering conversations. Clearly, the noblemen are split on this whole issue. This situation will require delicate manuevering, lest your courtiers get unhappy or your authority plummets.
Of course, the decisions are in your hands.
As for relationship with King Estjald of Cydwyl...
A) Write a formal letter of apology.
B) Do nothing.
C) Dissolve the alliance and declare war against the scoundrel!
D) Send him valuable gifts.
E) Renounce the alliance treaty once and for all!
As for Lady Alissa and her kids...
A) Offer to make your palace her new home.
B) Kick them out for dragging you in this terrible mess.
C) Promise to make whatever you can to ensure that she and her kids return to Cydwyl.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 07:02:53 am
We did fuck up quite a bit, and it's only sensible to apologize to the fellow.
Post by: Rockeater on May 06, 2018, 07:23:41 am
Post by: omada on May 06, 2018, 07:33:02 am
AC, war will come soon
Post by: Kashyyk on May 06, 2018, 07:42:50 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 08:41:59 am
C
C
You know what fine. If he wants to put us on the spot then we'll meet him head on. I think this is a better use of our army score than Orcworld right now anyway.
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 08:45:01 am
Alissa and her children are made guests of the palace and are free to stay as long as they want. Lady Alissa leaves the audience room without a word.
Few hours later you let the envoy go back home with your letter of apology in his hands.
1171 AD, Autumn
Reports from Orcworld indicate that your troops have destroyed over fifty smaller and larger encampments of the orcs, killing at least three thousand of them.
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Springwine brought some profits; the goldwork fared much better this year, however!
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A reply arrives from King Estjald. He has accepted your apology and decided to uphold the treaty of alliance between your nations. He wishes that Alissa and her children both remain under your care and do not come back to Cydwyl, as it is no longer their home.
Report comes from the gold mines in the northwest. The local prospectors have found even more gold veins around the place, which could allow the mining enterprise to be expanded, thus bringing much more bullion per year to the Imperial coffers.
A) Nah, steady is the name of the game.
B) Awww yeeeeah, gimme dat shiny gold!
Post by: Taricus on May 06, 2018, 08:45:41 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 08:45:58 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 08:46:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 06, 2018, 08:51:49 am
Post by: omada on May 06, 2018, 08:52:45 am
when we put patronage of arts and the demands for our artworks of gold and silver increases we can increase the mines production
although we can go with B now and try our luck
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 06, 2018, 08:59:31 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 09:02:02 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 06, 2018, 09:23:43 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 06, 2018, 09:25:33 am
when we put patronage of arts and the demands for our artworks of gold and silver increases we can increase the mines production
I'd like patronage of the arts, but I'm thinking Festivals first in order to encourage, heh, after-parties.
Happy peasants are, ahem, productive peasants. Build our population back up and grow our economy that way.
(Also, lifting the passage tax does appear to have had a small positive effect on out trading rolls.)
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 09:27:20 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 06, 2018, 09:27:49 am
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 09:35:47 am
1171 AD, Mid-Autumn
The fertile lands of Empty Plain are dragging much more brave pioneers than previously thought. Settlement grants will surely amount to some expenses this year.
Meanwhile, the harvests at Tiftit and elsewhere in Methiant has been pretty bontiful this autumn! Many people of both lower and higher classes clamor for festivals, and Pantheonist priests say it would be surely a good moment to donate upon altars of the gods of harvest, earth and life.
A) No, you see, a smart man saves money for later.
B) Go get some drinks! It's party time!
Post by: birdy51 on May 06, 2018, 09:36:57 am
Whoo! Party time!
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 09:37:44 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 09:39:00 am
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 09:46:11 am
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The festivities were had. And there was much rejoicing, or so your overly optimistic courtiers say.
1171 AD, Late Autumn
The Spymaster bumps into you when you're on your way to your chambers to get some rest.
"My liege, I bring urgent report from Ysirene. My agents have found the whereabouts of your brother Saenn, his wife, and their newly born son. They've settled in a small village in central Ysirene, not far from the border with Damedian state. My agents await your instructions what to do with your stubborn and uncooperative relative."
A) Eliminate the entire family.
B) Capture them and bring them here.
C) Eliminate Saenn.
D) Observe them for now.
E) Demand his return to Methiant.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 06, 2018, 09:50:12 am
I find it hard to care what he does tbh.
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 09:50:48 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 09:52:57 am
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on May 06, 2018, 09:53:21 am
Post by: Taricus on May 06, 2018, 09:53:47 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 06, 2018, 09:56:34 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 10:27:32 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 06, 2018, 10:31:17 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 10:35:26 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 10:38:31 am
Also whoops just realized I was voting D instead of E :P
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 10:44:32 am
Well I mean I'm pretty sure he's like our only living brother left. So I mean I'm not sure that Yoe III would want to have his last remaining brother run off to live in hiding and assume that Yoe wished him ill will for the rest of his life. Kinda sounds like one of those personal things you'd regret never setting straight.
Also whoops just realized I was voting D instead of E :P
Actually, Ustwelf also ought to be alive unless he's died without us knowing, so really it's two brothers of ours who have gone into hiding.
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 10:50:41 am
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 11:00:07 am
1171 AD, Winter
Part of gold, silver, plus gemstones of course land in your Treasury.
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Glassware barely brought any coin for you this year.
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Few days later, you fall violently ill with a fever.
1171 AD, Few days later
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The healers are optimistic about your health, though. They've brought the fever down with their medicines, too.
1171 AD, One week after that
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The illness is gone, and you get back on your feet.
1171 AD, Midwinter
Urgent report from Orcworld Fortress; apparently, there's a 'civilized' orcish settlement in far west! It seems to be a large walled city. The masonwork is rather crude but the city itself is enormous. The armies are regrouping to prepare for an assault on this hive of savages.
A) No, wait, try diplomacy first!
B) Burn it all to the ground!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 11:02:53 am
At least this time our diplomatic delegation is adequately armed!
(I did initially vote for burning, but then realized that it's possible these aren't the same orcs as before)
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 06, 2018, 11:06:10 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 06, 2018, 11:07:24 am
Post by: omada on May 06, 2018, 11:09:22 am
Multi-dimensional empire
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 11:11:51 am
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 11:48:01 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 06, 2018, 12:29:38 pm
Kill, kill!
Post by: crazyabe on May 06, 2018, 12:40:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 06, 2018, 12:50:43 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 06, 2018, 12:57:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 02:00:28 pm
1179 AD, Late Winter
Terrible news come from Orcworld!
Diplomacy was conducted with the orcs. A delegation of hundred men entered their city, and met with their warlord. Then the terrible thing happened; during the night, the orcs attacked the encampment of the army. In the chaos that ensued, many soldiers were killed before they could arm themselves.
Your enraged soldiers took the fighting into the city to avenge fallen comrades. An ugly fighting with orcish inhabitants ensued, and some Army leaders are blaming this mess on you for demanding diplomacy when the Army was supposed to be purging the land of orcish menace.
However, the battle was won and the city destroyed with Fireblood and fire. Many orcs fled or hid, but your sodliers estimate they've kileld at least four thousand orcs of all ages. Unfortunately, almost a thousand of Methiantese soldiers died in the ambush and the city fighting.
Other armies report encountering few camps and smaller nomadic groups of orcs, bringing about another thousand of dead orcs to the score.
1171 AD, End of the Year
It's that time of the year. The Scrolls of Kingdom Status are in your hands again!
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Happiness: 3
Population: 5
Economy: 8
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: -1
"My liege! Our Treasury is filled with money, and your courtiers believe there wouldn't anything wrong with spending part of it."
A) Naaaaah! Lemme stare at my mountain of riches!
B) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
C) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
D) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
E) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
F) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
G) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
"The authority of Emperor's office has been strengthened somewhat. Shall you issue an Edict this year, my liege?"
A) Yes, I will.
B) No, I won't.
"Also, with normalization of politics in far south, your scribes and scholars managed to both learn something about lands of Damdamia as well as update the royal map. Take a look, please."
Post by: crazyabe on May 06, 2018, 02:07:06 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 06, 2018, 02:13:12 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 02:13:24 pm
Our low army cap is a bit outdated, I figure.
Also that didn't go as bad as it could have, though I'm a bit leery about that four thousand orc figure considering it sounds like they're also counting noncombatants in there.
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 02:15:47 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 06, 2018, 02:16:39 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 06, 2018, 02:16:51 pm
Post by: omada on May 06, 2018, 02:25:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 02:29:18 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 02:31:26 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 06, 2018, 02:33:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 06, 2018, 02:33:12 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 06, 2018, 02:34:32 pm
Also that didn't go as bad as it could have, though I'm a bit leery about that four thousand orc figure considering it sounds like they're also counting noncombatants in there.
Of course they are? This is a crusade against orcs, to remove their savage race forever ;v
You set part of the accumulated money to be given to the most needy of Methiantese peoples.
1172 AD, Spring
Reports from Orcworld indicate that your soldiers have eradicated five more encampments.
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Silverwork sold locally to your nobles brought some profits.
Few days later you receive news of major religious riot! During a heated debate in the city of Daan, some rowdier acolytes on Principalist side started some fisticuffs. The worst came a moment later; during the brawl, the leader of Principalists, Thann, has been killed! Conflicting reports place his death at hands of Pantheonists, at hands of his own Principalist fellows, and at hands of a simple unfortunate accident.
But even now, the city of Daan is in flames; Pantheonists and Principalists are fighting with each other, and city guard has trouble reining in the populace. What's worse is that news of Thann's death are spreading rapidly thorough central Methiant.
As for situation in Daan...
A) Write a proclamation in which you plead the warring groups to find common ground in these trying times and seek a peaceful resolution of their conflict.
B) Send in the army to supress the riot.
C) I'm sure the guards in Daan will be able to restore order on their own.
As for Thann's death...
A) Blame Pantheonists for his death.
B) Blame Principalists for his death.
C) Spin a tale about some foreign assassins.
D) Spin a tale that it was sign from heavens.
E) Do nothing, the truth will emerge on its own. Right?
Post by: Taricus on May 06, 2018, 02:36:10 pm
Post by: Arlos on May 06, 2018, 02:39:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 06, 2018, 02:40:50 pm
Of course they are? This is a crusade against orcs, to remove their savage race forever ;v
It's gonna turn out that the savage ambush in the night was just a drunken orc throwing a rock at one of them which escalated into a full scale assault on a walled city because the actual battle can't have been against more than 500-1500 orcs at most in that case, assuming our shitheel officers are even telling the truth to begin with (also interesting that they refer to the leader orc as necessarily a warlord, the language of colonization runs strong indeed).
BE
I like the insinuation in D that this shit just happens sometimes and there's nothing to be particularly made of it. EDIT: but strictly due to strategic voting I'm going to roll with E instead.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 06, 2018, 02:45:10 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 06, 2018, 02:53:11 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 06, 2018, 02:54:51 pm
Post by: Imic on May 06, 2018, 02:57:02 pm
E
Reformation for the win!
Post by: Prophet on May 06, 2018, 03:02:15 pm
E
Post by: helmacon on May 06, 2018, 03:06:12 pm
It will help public sentiment next time we need to go to war.
Post by: crazyabe on May 06, 2018, 03:56:23 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 06, 2018, 03:58:36 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 06, 2018, 04:57:35 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 06, 2018, 05:41:59 pm
Post by: omada on May 06, 2018, 05:48:58 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 06, 2018, 06:17:30 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 06, 2018, 10:36:45 pm
C
Calm down it was clearly some parsian assassins, perfect chance to go back and take parsia down once and for all!
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 07, 2018, 12:50:05 am
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 11:45:34 am
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You send the Army to quell the riots in Daan, and wisely (or not) do not try to toss blame in any direction.
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Two weeks later, you receive report from the Army; the riots were quite widespread and soldiers had to bring order and peace to some outlying settlements and villages too. Some fifty buildings in Daan were burned down, covering bodies, and because there were casualties amongst officials and soldiers too, it was difficult to put down any real numbers. Anywhere between 1500 to 2000 people have perished in Daan riots, plus at least another 100 or so around the city.
1172 AD, Mid-Spring
There's rioting in the western and northern cities!
Religious fanatics of Pantheonism are assaulting Principalists, Principalists are 'purging' their fellows out of less loyal numbers. Even Singularists are getting their asses handed to them by some other-faith zealots. Apparently, the Pantheonist masses are led by Alan, Priest of the God of Oaths.
The chaos is exacerbated because even some city governors and garrison commanders, apparently not so keen on your family's tolerant policies, are taking sides, with Methiantese soldiers and city guards themselves adding blood and corpses to the mess.
As for the riots...
A) Appeal to reason and send some letters there.
B) Let them fight, we will judge the leftovers.
C) Another training practice for the Army, then.
As for the Pantheonist revolt...
A) Have Alan executed along with his trusted followers.
B) Threaten Pantheonist high clergy with action if they don't reign their faithful in.
C) Do nothing for now.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 07, 2018, 11:47:03 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 07, 2018, 11:48:30 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 07, 2018, 11:56:30 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 07, 2018, 11:57:15 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 07, 2018, 12:09:43 pm
Post by: omada on May 07, 2018, 12:13:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 07, 2018, 12:22:33 pm
When will they learn we will NEVER tolerate intolerance!
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 07, 2018, 12:40:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 07, 2018, 12:48:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 12:48:57 pm
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Three days later, a terrified courtier arrives with the response.
You have been excommunicated by Archpriest of Pantheon! Apparently, the high clergy decided that your policy of tolerance has failed, your moral and spiritual (and doctrinal) authority is a joke, and that it is about time the region of Luathbas reverts to the old faith of Pantheon, and deals with the heretic clot that was affecting the spiritual life flow of the peoples for decades. Something like that.
True to their words, your Spymaster quickly procures a copy of Proclamation of Pantheon, in which Archpriest advises all faithful to help restore the Pantheonist peace and unity thorough the Empire, because the Emperors of Yoean Dynasty are not willing to do it themselves.
As your Army is working their asses to quell the riots in northwest, there are new cities in central Methiant where Pantheonists are fighting with your officials, city guards and those not of Pantheon faith.
It is obvious at the court that you have no control over the situation. Nobles grumble and whisper behind your back, clearly being fed up with everything that has occured so far in Methiant about all this religious thing going.
Still, you must at least showcase your power. Where do you send the Army next?
A) To quell the riots in central Methiant.
B) To reduce numbers of Pantheon high clergy.
C) Both of the above.
D) Neither, the Gods will judge us!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 07, 2018, 12:51:09 pm
Oh my god this is tiresome, can we just convert to the Eleven Graces (or heck, Singularism) instead, fuck all of these guys
Shit, why don't we just start our own cult? We're wise, we can probably cut it
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 07, 2018, 12:53:11 pm
Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!
Post by: Taricus on May 07, 2018, 12:54:26 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 07, 2018, 12:56:50 pm
Why don't these guys learn that excommunication doesn't work if we just convert to a different faith? Idiots I tell you!
I think if we do it again the Singularists might see the writing on the wall and excommunicate us preemptively. Lowkey wondering if we're not gonna become Yoe the Impaler
Post by: Rockeater on May 07, 2018, 12:59:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 07, 2018, 01:00:39 pm
It feels like central authority of religion has failed. Perhaps it's time to execute all religious leaders.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2018, 01:10:50 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 07, 2018, 01:34:12 pm
Doing B before the riots have been dealt with seems a terrible idea
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 07, 2018, 01:35:07 pm
Revenge is not a priority of the state, especially against its own members.
Besides, we have a Spymaster, no? It'd be a shame if the clergy happened to encounter some... misfortunes.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 07, 2018, 01:35:44 pm
Why don't these guys learn that excommunication doesn't work if we just convert to a different faith? Idiots I tell you!
I think if we do it again the Singularists might see the writing on the wall and excommunicate us preemptively. Lowkey wondering if we're not gonna become Yoe the Impaler
I'm sure that the Singularists might decide to look at what happened to the clergy of the faiths that have decided to excommunicate the emperor, before they decide to follow in their footsteps.
Post by: Puppyguard on May 07, 2018, 01:38:44 pm
Get the riots out of the way first.
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 01:40:01 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 07, 2018, 01:40:36 pm
It doesnt actually seem to have done anything GOOD for us so far, just quite a lot of violent religious disputes.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 07, 2018, 01:41:35 pm
A Damn this spiraled out of control fast.
I used to think Cyl being Lucky was a kinda dumb trait. Then I saw how other monarchs roll.
A
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 01:45:17 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 07, 2018, 01:50:31 pm
I also wonder If we should repeal religion equality.
It doesnt actually seem to have done anything GOOD for us so far, just quite a lot of violent religious disputes.
Really it makes the chief religions complain a lot about not being the chief religions anymore, which I feel by now has given us adequate cause to burn their temples to the ground and have their high clergies hanged, drawn and quartered. Haven't heard much from the Alldivines after we dispossessed them and grabbed their Archpriest, have we?
The idea behind Option B is only partly spite - if we get their fecking Archpriest somehow we can probably make him say whatever we want at gunpoint, and that might just be what we need to get rid of the general power grab the Pantheonists are attempting.
Post by: ZBridges on May 07, 2018, 02:03:01 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 07, 2018, 02:03:32 pm
This is working so well, that they are resorting to violence to attempt to make us back off. The problem (for them) is that we have a lot more violence then they do. It will be messy, but we are poised to break their power once and for all.
B Inciting rebellion? You are not above the law.
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 07, 2018, 02:04:45 pm
I also wonder If we should repeal religion equality.Haven't heard much from the Alldivines after we dispossessed them and grabbed their Archpriest, have we?
It doesnt actually seem to have done anything GOOD for us so far, just quite a lot of violent religious disputes.
The idea behind Option B is only partly spite - if we get their fecking Archpriest somehow we can probably make him say whatever we want at gunpoint, and that might just be what we need to get rid of the general power grab the Pantheonists are attempting.
Which was not necessarily worthwile, we built Methiant on partly alldivine armies. The ability to directly use money to bolster the army immediatley was very useful.
Since the option to hire Alldivine mercenaries has not been replaced with the option to hire non religious mercenaries, I would even claim it was an overall loss for us.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 07, 2018, 02:12:15 pm
I also wonder If we should repeal religion equality.We've been having these religious disputes forever though, remember we had to have the First Theological Council ten years before religious equality became law. A series of bad rolls and results (and maybe a few decisions) has made this latest flair up particularly bad, but this isn't a new thing caused by religious equality, that's simply the latest excuse. Even if we went in hard core for one religious and genocided all the others (pissing the world off at us and ripping the empire into pieces in the process) that'd only probably somewhat reduce the number of incidences as we'd have to continually commit minor atrocities to make sure that foreign religions from nearby countries didn't take root which would likely draw us into conflicts with their home countries.
It doesnt actually seem to have done anything GOOD for us so far, just quite a lot of violent religious disputes.
Basically I think it's too early to call religious equality a failure. What we have here is the entrenched authority of the religions essentially ignoring the dictate, carrying on as they've done in the past. I think the real long term solution (maybe not the best one right now I'll admit) is uprooting that entrenched authority, as it's entirely rooted in prequality ideals. Once it's crushed more reasonable authority that's been cultivated to already respect equality could be allowed to grow.
Also I suspect that Prophet specifically wants Pantheonism because it's the more mystical religious. To that I have to say something that I've been thinking about for a little bit as people have had conversations here and in the lore thread about how to get magic back.
Fuck magic.
We're playing as humans, the inherently unmagical race. Magic is, widely, a bad thing for us. I'm glad that magic has been reduced this much and am hopeful for it continuing to be reduced. It helps in some ways, but on the whole I do think it's a negative and we should be happy that it's going away.
I also wonder If we should repeal religion equality.Haven't heard much from the Alldivines after we dispossessed them and grabbed their Archpriest, have we?
It doesnt actually seem to have done anything GOOD for us so far, just quite a lot of violent religious disputes.
The idea behind Option B is only partly spite - if we get their fecking Archpriest somehow we can probably make him say whatever we want at gunpoint, and that might just be what we need to get rid of the general power grab the Pantheonists are attempting.
Which was not necessarily worthwile, we built Methiant on partly alldivine armies. The ability to directly use money to bolster the army immediatley was very useful.
Since the option to hire Alldivine mercenaries has not been replaced with the option to hire non religious mercenaries, I would even claim it was an overall loss for us.
In past games before the establishment of professional armies we could draw on non religious mercenaries in the same way that we drew upon the alldivine in this game, an ability that was also lost in those games when we moved to more professional armies (a required step in of itself in order to achieve the other advances we've had militarily) Which to me makes the alldivine mercenaries feel like simply a reflavoring of an already existing mechanic, and that we probably didn't loose them because of religious reasons but because it was inevitable as we moved from mercenaries to a professional army.
Post by: Imic on May 07, 2018, 02:16:30 pm
Pantheonism, people! No more door to door salesmen! Purge the heretics!
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 02:17:59 pm
And finally, after much debating internally, I have settled on coat of arms of Luathbas! The green color and a goat just had to be there, but I was tinkering with details for last week. But, here it is!
Spoiler: Kingdom of Luathbas (click to show/hide)
Post by: Taricus on May 07, 2018, 02:20:11 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 02:43:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 03:34:12 pm
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You decide to quell riots first.
1172 AD, Late Spring
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In two weeks' time, the riots in cities west and south and north of Methe are crushed quite nicely.
However, the Pantheonist high clergy, having relocated to Felonsein, bastion of Pantheonism, continues to uphold your excommunication and denounce your authority, which absolutely takes a dip.
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Unfortunately, the capital city itself is touched by the vile hand of rioting!
As your courtiers gather for a council, one of the late ones hastily arrives, informing the court that Pantheonists in Methe have took to the streets, and began attacking your officials and soldiers on patrol.
There has been already few dozen casaulties according to guards who managed to report this to their superiors. The Pantheonists are demanding your removal, 'Methiant for Pantheon', revocation of religion tax, revocation of religious tolerance, expelling of heathens, and some other things that didnt' get through to your loyal men ears. The city guard is woefully unprepared to deal with furious masses on the streets, which outnumbers them, according to some indecently inaccurate approximations, twenty to one.
Some of your more moderate courtiers however quietly murmur that, mayhaps, the Emperor should listen to the crowds and give in to some of their demands, to help stabilize the country.
As for riots in the capital city of Methe...
A) Send the Shadowranks to dispense justice in name of the Emperor!
B) Send for the Army to leave the barracks and do the magic.
C) Let's meet with the rioting peoples to directly adress them.*
D) Do nothing.
As for potential giving in to protestors' demands...
A) I think Religious Tolerance needs to go.
B) I think Religion Tax should be done with.
C) I should abdicate.
D) All three of the above.
E) NEVERRR!!
F) Both Edicts need to be revoked.
Post by: Taricus on May 07, 2018, 03:38:20 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 07, 2018, 03:39:22 pm
Post by: Imic on May 07, 2018, 03:39:36 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 07, 2018, 03:39:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 07, 2018, 03:42:06 pm
A.E
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 03:49:02 pm
A
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 07, 2018, 03:49:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 07, 2018, 03:50:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 07, 2018, 03:50:52 pm
If we're honest we might be able to afford to get rid of the tax, but like hell are we giving in to mob rule.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2018, 03:52:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 03:52:16 pm
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Less than hour later, some courtiers wish to meet with you to discuss something important in one of smaller chambers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRMd3IYj8I0)
When you arrive there with two of your Shadowranks' guards, the eight noblemen draw their swords at you!
"You will bring our nation to ruin! Die, foul Emperor!" They charge you and your guards, the latter drawing their swords to protect you!
It seems you've gotta...
A) Run!
B) Fight!
*
Post by: Taricus on May 07, 2018, 03:53:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2018, 03:53:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 07, 2018, 03:54:12 pm
EDIT: After this we will vote to burn temples rather than pay for renovations.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 07, 2018, 03:54:19 pm
Post by: Imic on May 07, 2018, 03:59:04 pm
So... Theocray, anyone?
B
Post by: helmacon on May 07, 2018, 03:59:58 pm
Honestly, these religions can't handle religious tolerance. I think the path forward after this is to simply suppress all religions continuously. They have repeatedly show that they are not mature enough to handle a position of authority and influence.
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 04:10:10 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 07, 2018, 04:12:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2018, 04:13:21 pm
Post by: Imic on May 07, 2018, 04:21:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2018, 04:24:10 pm
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Unfortunately, you tire easily, and after your guards are screwed from numerical disadvantage, you soon fall victim to vicious stabbings of 54 times.
1172 AD, Few days later
You are Bjern, son of Yoe III!
In the chaos that ensued after your father's assasination, the Pantheonists quickly took control of the capital. The Shadowranks have been pulverized except few turncoats. Delegation of Pantheonist clerics have just arrived in the palace. Riots however continue elsewhere, smoldering away the glory that was Methiant.
They, and large percentage of the court, is here to oversee your ascension to the throne of Methiant. Your family is in their chambers and loyalist nobles are under guard. Moderates and religious zealots together make for the court present at audience room.
They're also here to have you sign the documents if you wish to rule. You have to Revoke Religion Tax, and Revoke Religious Tolerance Edict. Because of differences between nobility and priests, reason and zealotry (and usual pettiness of men), no one is pushing you to establish Pantheonism as state religion, nor to pay any amenities or donate to altars.
They're sure that, once your family sees the errors of heathen faiths, you will naturally proclaim Pantheon as the true and only religion of Methiant, and will happily donate to the altars of your newest friends and allies - the Pantheonists.
A) Sign the papers.
B) Flip them the bird.*
Post by: Taricus on May 07, 2018, 04:24:57 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 07, 2018, 04:25:18 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 07, 2018, 04:25:51 pm
Fair enough! Time to plot their destruction on a longer time scale.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 07, 2018, 04:26:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 07, 2018, 04:27:04 pm
Time to systematically dismantle organized religion in Methiant going forward.
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 07, 2018, 04:27:43 pm
We might actually lose with b
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 04:30:03 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 07, 2018, 04:31:04 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 07, 2018, 04:32:01 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 07, 2018, 04:33:21 pm
B. Better to just die with honor.Is it, though? Is it?
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 07, 2018, 04:33:59 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 07, 2018, 04:35:41 pm
Though I respect B. Just because of how tempted I am to vote for it but I do want us to take over Pantheonism and secure a future were both us and Pantheonism can reign as one. If it had been any other religion than beloved Pantheonism I'd be very tempted to vote to tell 'em they can shove their little document right up where the sun don't shine.
Post by: ZBridges on May 07, 2018, 04:59:25 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 07, 2018, 05:16:16 pm
Post by: omada on May 07, 2018, 05:33:23 pm
we will buff our spymasters and put our representatives in the heads of every religion, and make they CRY and ask for equality
Post by: Puppyguard on May 07, 2018, 06:05:38 pm
We'll claim our revenge later.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 07, 2018, 06:26:23 pm
A then sign the papers
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 08, 2018, 01:43:09 am
A
We need to get a real handle on happiness before we start trying to fix this mess, get that calendar of festivals up we need max happiness.
I do totally understand wanting to give them the bird and not signing.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 08, 2018, 01:45:47 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 08, 2018, 02:02:11 am
Post by: Imic on May 08, 2018, 04:04:30 am
Post by: Iituem on May 08, 2018, 05:45:04 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 08, 2018, 06:40:31 am
We don't have to go full cultural revolution here.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 08, 2018, 07:55:56 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 08, 2018, 08:09:57 am
Name ONE thing patheonism dd for us,ONE DAMM THING
There's the magical argument which is made under the likely mistaken assumption that the spread of Pantheonism will increase the influence of magic upon the world. Even if that's correct though, that still leaves the fact that the only time magic actually seems to come up is when a forgotten beast comes out to fuck us, when the dwarves come out of their mountainhomes to cheat us, when the elves come out of the woods to be kind of helpful but only if we displease the much more powerful dwarves, when a Sorceress turns up to rob us and increase chances of chaotic magical instability in the region for a fleeting bonus, and occasionally in the form of weird prophecies that have a mixed track record of helping us in any way.
Pantheonist fanatics can also be a military unit you can have if you do some top-quality bootlicking for the priests, but they only come along when you're extremely favored, give a +1 bonus to engagements and probably are a lot like Hurthling slingers in that they stick around for a bit until you lose one or two battles and they eat shit and die.
In short, they can be useful, we just need to break their spirit enough to suit our needs because going out of one's way to please them will always be a losing battle, just like with the dwarves.
EDIT: Hm, it might be a solid idea to get a Sorceress to put some kind of death curse on the Pantheonist clergy. Gets the magic and the vengeance in one fell swoop.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 08, 2018, 08:53:22 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 08, 2018, 09:05:59 am
So in short kill all pantheonists and ally with the dwarvesName ONE thing patheonism dd for us,ONE DAMM THING
There's the magical argument which is made under the likely mistaken assumption that the spread of Pantheonism will increase the influence of magic upon the world. Even if that's correct though, that still leaves the fact that the only time magic actually seems to come up is when a forgotten beast comes out to fuck us, when the dwarves come out of their mountainhomes to cheat us, when the elves come out of the woods to be kind of helpful but only if we displease the much more powerful dwarves, when a Sorceress turns up to rob us and increase chances of chaotic magical instability in the region for a fleeting bonus, and occasionally in the form of weird prophecies that have a mixed track record of helping us in any way.
Pantheonist fanatics can also be a military unit you can have if you do some top-quality bootlicking for the priests, but they only come along when you're extremely favored, give a +1 bonus to engagements and probably are a lot like Hurthling slingers in that they stick around for a bit until you lose one or two battles and they eat shit and die.
In short, they can be useful, we just need to break their spirit enough to suit our needs because going out of one's way to please them will always be a losing battle, just like with the dwarves.
EDIT: Hm, it might be a solid idea to get a Sorceress to put some kind of death curse on the Pantheonist clergy. Gets the magic and the vengeance in one fell swoop.
Post by: birdy51 on May 08, 2018, 09:38:40 am
Solidly for the Sorceress Death Curse solution. The beet part is, we could get plausible deniability!
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 08, 2018, 11:04:16 am
Okay, we've finally gotten the rise of Pantheonism as you people kept clamoring for. But at what cost?
Post by: Haspen on May 08, 2018, 11:29:36 am
1172 AD, Summer
You are Bjern, son of Yoe III!
You are very wise, just like your father. Your ascension was marked with chaos and bloodshed, but all is for naught. The victory of Pantheon and downfall of 'immoral tyrant' in the eyes of Pantheonist worshippers lifted their moods considerably; indeed, there's a large crowd outside the palace cheering your ascension.
You consider your regnal name.
You decide that naming pool in your dynasty is awfully small, and expanding it will do good for your successors!
All hail Emperor Bjern I of Methiant!
The Advisor comes with Scrolls of Kingdom Status in his hands.
Happiness: 4
Population: 5
Economy: 8
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: -2
You guess these are decent numbers, except that last one.
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Goldwork failed to bring profits, which were low without part of the precious items stolen from merchants during the period of religious riots.
Just as a report arrives from Orcworld, the guards say there's a messenger from Eldrican, about some marriage agreement being long overdue.
A) Gotta read the report first.
B) Gotta do the diplomacy first.
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 08, 2018, 11:45:28 am
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Post by: Prophet on May 08, 2018, 12:03:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 08, 2018, 12:03:47 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 08, 2018, 12:08:15 pm
Post by: omada on May 08, 2018, 12:59:34 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 08, 2018, 05:23:57 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 08, 2018, 08:38:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 09, 2018, 10:42:48 am
The four armies have been scouring the badlands and desert of orcish scum, killing at least two more thousands of them since previous report, but nowadays they're stumbling mostly upon remains of already destroyed encampments and mass graves filled with rotten orcish corpses and skeletons.
The second army ventured quite far westwards, and reported encountering grasslands and glades of blue trees and thick mists. The third army ventured quite far southwards, and found some interesting, ancient ruins of stone structures, different from orcish architecture.
The commanders of the armies heard of disturbances in Methiant and are ready to conclude their crusade sooner to come help against riots that are popping up.
A) The cleansing is not done yet.
B) Sure, let's call the crusade finished.
Post by: crazyabe on May 09, 2018, 10:47:47 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 09, 2018, 10:51:16 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 09, 2018, 10:51:50 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 09, 2018, 10:54:58 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 09, 2018, 11:31:05 am
Maybe genocide wasn't the greatest idea. I guess it thinned the ranks at least.
Post by: helmacon on May 09, 2018, 11:53:03 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 09, 2018, 01:04:07 pm
Post by: Imic on May 09, 2018, 01:09:16 pm
We have a long to do list, and Orcs have recently been shunted to near the end.
Post by: Prophet on May 09, 2018, 01:35:37 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 09, 2018, 02:21:15 pm
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 09, 2018, 06:41:41 pm
ask others to come back
Post by: Imic on May 11, 2018, 07:04:04 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 11, 2018, 07:09:53 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 11, 2018, 07:37:47 am
Because on second thought, patience is a virtue. It would be glorious to have the army return and just wipe the floor with the Pantheonists, but it would be better if we give the appearance of playing along first. Wait a bit. Then exact our revenge at an hour of our choosing.
Post by: Haspen on May 11, 2018, 07:47:07 am
Few days tops.
Promise!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 11, 2018, 10:50:36 am
Dew it
Post by: Prophet on May 11, 2018, 11:11:08 am
Post by: Haspen on May 11, 2018, 05:43:06 pm
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You decide to call the troops back home.
As the messenger leaves to inform the Army that they're due homeward, the envoy from Eldrican enters and bows in respect.
"Greetings, Emperor Bjern! I'm here on behalf of King Tetan. His daughter, Irvalina, is to become fifteen years of age next Spring, and my liege would like to know whether your brother Hein is prepared for marriage."
You decide to...
A) Honorably keep up with the deal, you weren't the one to set it up after all.
B) Break the terribly unprofitable deal, you weren't the one to set it up after all.
Post by: ZBridges on May 11, 2018, 06:16:25 pm
Post by: omada on May 11, 2018, 06:20:12 pm
Hmmm, when we wipe the floor with our enemies, remenber to wipe the floor with half of our courtiers and make everybody to write a paper to promise not putting it's personal believes above the state
OOOR, create our own religion, and try to create a cult of the god-emperor and the descent gods of old
what can go wrong? everything
Post by: Weirdsound on May 11, 2018, 06:59:57 pm
Yay! Wedding!
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 11, 2018, 07:25:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 11, 2018, 07:38:03 pm
I don't even remember that one, but okay.
Post by: helmacon on May 11, 2018, 09:25:31 pm
Post by: Puppyguard on May 11, 2018, 09:27:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 11, 2018, 09:31:46 pm
As for the still debated matter of religion I'm of the opinion that taking over Pantheonism and making it our own is a pretty cool idea. Why have an Archpriest and an Emperor when you can both in one? :P I mean if our SPAMoverlord the mighty Haspen allows us the option that is.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 11, 2018, 09:54:37 pm
A
I don't even remember that one, but okay.
I think it was either one of the first things Yoe III did, or one of the last things Cyl did. But I remember it happening.
Also, I just noticed, our ascension post didn't mention about who our heir is. I suspect our court will soon try and pressure us to name one of our siblings so that they don't have to go through a regency should we die before our baby daughter is ready for the throne. That choice seems to come up in situations like this. At this point, I'm just curious to find out what the traits of Hein and Graine have.
A I mean I'm still going to vote to take Koi from them when possible as Eldrican are oathbreaking Damed worshiping liars. I mean considering the deal breaking, assassinations, and disrespect that they've thrown our way for years I'm kinda surprised we haven't broken down into hostilities sooner but sure if they want to give our brother a wife then why not?
I don't think we want to fight any of the Damed worshipers lest we wind up fighting all of the Damed worshipers.
Honestly, I only see two ways that we can mess with the Damdamians barring another implosion on their end.
1st: We could see if the Dwarves are willing to give Bjern a fresh start. We are no longer Yoe III, so they might be nice to us if we through some gold their way. The Damned don't like the dwarves, Eldrican, which borders most of the dwarf settlements, is converting to the Damned, so I'd imagine the dwarves must be at least a bit nervous, and might join us on a crusade against The Evil Empire if the price is right.
2nd: We play the long game. At the wedding, we take the option to talk religion that we usually get when socializing at Feasts, and inquire about getting the cult's help with the Pantheonists. We would punish the people who killed our father and blackmailed us, and convert to the Cult. If we also practice the Damdamian faith, we can likely get away with attacking or absorbing Damdamian neighbors without bringing the whole fecking cult down on our ass. Once we have eaten our fill of lands to the West and South of us, we can convert back to a respectable Methianese faith at the next opportunity.
Post by: omada on May 11, 2018, 10:20:48 pm
The dwarven one seens right, we could a contract of mutual protection against crusades of religions that don't accept diversity or other races, it will be just a step for them to march with us and create some of their fortress inside old damdamian lands
But here is another bit to the god-emperor plan if we ever get the chance to make something more complicated than the last 100 years of Damdamian history
we already had got the option to force a religious reform on the alldivines
we maybe can choose it again with the pantheonists
we are wise and we can probably write a holy book without loopholes
this holybook can say that all gods are equal in the pantheonism, and as some descended in luathbas region some descended on foreingn lands later and sooner, it's acceptable that those religions are different, but now that they know the truth they should or could join the pantheonism banner
we put our family as sacred, we show our papers of our relation with alldivinist death and act as the whole alldivinist thing was a trial to make people accept others
we turn religious equality back and make it the weirdest and almost hypocritical shit that will give nightmarish headaches to historians in the future, we do that saying that is our hole as intermediary of gods making sure that all religions can debate, flourish and join the pantheonism soon or later by their own, and damn, if a religion is causing too much trouble we can give a lawful and religious reason to smash it
we put the major paths of illumination being
a)healthy habits and protection of the emperor (shadowranks will be believed to become cherubs on death) (being the path of the warrior)
b) meditation, knowledge and improvement of tech which can bring us someday personally to the house of the outer gods in the stars (path of the wise)
c) Pious and charity, making sure almost every conflict is done with the minimum of pain and losses unless a god says otherwise (path of the diplomat)
D) Seeker of old magic, anyone that might bring good magic back into human blood might be praised as the one that made humans purer and deserve a place inside the royal family ( the rare path of the mage)
and we then can call ourselves the Holy Empire of Methiant, restorer of old luathbas, capital of science, protector of old magic, land of the free, a place where wine is divine and gold is purer
I got a bit carried away
Post by: Prophet on May 11, 2018, 10:52:09 pm
I think if we're going to go about fusing the office of Emperor with that of the head of the [Luathbasian] Pantheonist faith we have to go by a "One Ruler/One Faith" kinda thing. Not saying that it would be impossible for Gods of other faiths to become gods of Pantheonism if certain humans can traditionally be accepted as having "ascended" to godhood but I don't think they're going to accept any kinda of slow peaceful fusion of Pantheons.
As for magic from what I understand magic is weakening and there is nothing we can do about it. From what I remembering Haspen saying it might have a resurgence later but that implies very bad things happening that we'd have to survive. Though personally I'd gladly give surviving said bad stuff a go if it meant magic would stop weakening.
Post by: birdy51 on May 11, 2018, 10:58:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 11, 2018, 11:37:26 pm
I think if we're going to go about fusing the office of Emperor with that of the head of the [Luathbasian] Pantheonist faith we have to go by a "One Ruler/One Faith" kinda thing.
I'd be fine with that. Whose down for a straight up purge of all the religious leaders in our land next time our army maxes out? I've had enough of these priestly fucktards thinking they can boss around The Emperor. I say we go full Henry VIII up in here!
As for magic from what I understand magic is weakening and there is nothing we can do about it. From what I remembering Haspen saying it might have a resurgence later but that implies very bad things happening that we'd have to survive. Though personally I'd gladly give surviving said bad stuff a go if it meant magic would stop weakening.
I think the very bad later resurgence of magic has something to do with that terrible nightmare Yoe III had. We wound up putting that shit off for over a century, right?
Also, if I remember correctly, Haspen refused to say if Orcworld was more or less magical than the main world. There is a chance we could get our fill of magical shenanigans there.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 11, 2018, 11:52:34 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 11, 2018, 11:58:48 pm
I'd be fine with that. Whose down for a straight up purge of all the religious leaders in our land next time our army maxes out? I've had enough of these priestly fucktards thinking they can boss around The Emperor. I say we go full Henry VIII up in here!
Well of course any such reform of the Faith under a "One Ruler/One Faith" policy requires us to purge any priest unwilling to accept such reforms. If we're going to truly force such a change we need to go all the way. Which means we'll more than likely have to kill the priests who worked to kill our father of course as I doubt they'll accept such a lose of independence from the Empire.
I think the very bad later resurgence of magic has something to do with that terrible nightmare Yoe III had. We wound up putting that shit off for over a century, right?
Also, if I remember correctly, Haspen refused to say if Orcworld was more or less magical than the main world. There is a chance we could get our fill of magical shenanigans there.
I was having similar thoughts about the nightmare as well. Which is another reason why I think subjugating and then strengthening an Imperial Pantheonism is a good idea as Pantheonism seems to be the only religion that has displayed actually mystically qualities which would hopefully be useful for surviving a magic resurgence event.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 12, 2018, 12:02:02 am
Nothing a few level 40 adventurers cant solve.
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2018, 04:01:27 am
Speaking of Hein, news come from your tutors, who, despite several years more of tutoring, can't find anything in him. He is unremarkable like every peasant around the capital
1172 AD, Autumn
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Springwine brought profits to the Treasury.
Army is returning to Methiant through the portal. Most of it is still camping at Orcworld Fortress, but within a month all soldiers, wounded, animals, supplies and weapons should be transferred over.
During a very boring night, you rummage through some less visited parts of royal library. One old book, titled 'The Glory of Prince' in old Luathbasian script, catches your eye. This manuscript must be ancient; written in cursive Old Luathbasian, the preamble mentions it is written by those whom Prince of Glory, whose name must not be spoken, and his 'most sacred initials' are D, X and C.
You don't remember this guy from any codex or religion, to be honest. Still, such an old, mystical and thick manuscript, surely only copy in existence, could be worth its weight...?
A) What is this mystical fiction doing in my renowned library? To the waste dump with it!
B) Hmmm, finally some interesting lecture.
C) Plenty of Methiantese merchants deal in manuscripts. Let's find a buyer.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 12, 2018, 04:05:07 am
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Post by: Imic on May 12, 2018, 05:05:12 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 12, 2018, 05:21:07 am
Speaking of Hein, news come from your tutors, who, despite several years more of tutoring, can't find anything in him. He is unremarkable
...Whelp he's useless. Unless Bjern or one of his siblings has a son in the very near future, it looks like our next monarch might be Methiant's first Empress. Can't wait to see what sort of marriage offers a crown princess to an Imperial Throne might receive.
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2018, 05:36:29 am
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After an hour of deciphering the old script, you finally understand what this is. A book for summoning someone! The schematics and proceedings are craftily obscured to appear as a simple worship book for some crazy lunatics.
The ritual is very intricate, for it calls for a moon-less night, and sacrifice of 'most precious of bloods', and after the sacrifice, there is an hour long chant as one draws a circle, a triangle and four arrows with the blood, which must not be spilled nor mixed with another. The ritual thus calls for precision and skill, but you still do not know the meaning behind the initials, nor who the Prince of Glory is supposed to be. Pantheonist god? Ancient undead royal? Monstrous abomination?
A) Eurgh, blood sacrifices and such? I must get rid of this vile book!
B) Not only an ancient manuscript, but ancient book of mystical stuff? Ka-ching!
C) I must study this more. There's so much to discover here!
Post by: Kashyyk on May 12, 2018, 05:44:36 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 12, 2018, 05:54:24 am
I'm going to go with: there's probably no good outcome.
Post by: birdy51 on May 12, 2018, 05:59:06 am
Well, looks like we found a use for that spare son!
Post by: Imic on May 12, 2018, 06:28:56 am
Er
Well
The Pantheonists are going to love us now...
C
Post by: Rockeater on May 12, 2018, 06:44:58 am
CIf he is spare, does he count as 'most precious '?
Well, looks like we found a use for that spare son!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 12, 2018, 06:53:27 am
CCIf he is spare, does he count as 'most precious '?
Well, looks like we found a use for that spare son!
Most precious could just mean 'royal blood' rather than blood that is 'most precious' to us. "which must not be spilled nor mixed with another" makes it sound like the victim needs to be a virgin, and Unremarkable McExpendable is getting married next year, so if he still is a virgin, that window is certainly closing fast.
Anyway, with our Wisdom the lowest we can roll fucking with the book is a 3, so I doubt there is any harm in C.
Post by: Prophet on May 12, 2018, 08:04:36 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on May 12, 2018, 09:40:30 am
Well, summoning an unknown mystical "Prince" should certainly raise the level of interesting ;) magical effects in at least a very localized area.
Post by: omada on May 12, 2018, 09:56:40 am
sounds like a trap?
I am jumping blidly in it C
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 12, 2018, 10:23:39 am
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2018, 11:47:47 am
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You fail to learn anything. The ciphers are either jumbled, or you're doing this wrong.
A) Or maybe some lunatic wrote this. Let's toss it into the fireplace, the only place this book belongs to.
B) No no, clearly, I must try again. There's knowledge in here, and I shall find it!
C) Ancient, mystical book full of ciphers and riddles? Maybe I can get a coin or two out of it?
Post by: Draignean on May 12, 2018, 11:51:05 am
This book is a labyrinth, ladies and gentlemen, a puzzle. And while the paths of the ritual are plainly visible, its ways deceptively apparent, its destinations are unknown. Its secrets still secret. And, if we are honest, it is the lure of the labyrinth that draws us to our chosen destiny to unlock those secrets. Others have been here before us and have left us signs, but we, as explorers of these arts, must devote our lives and energies to going further to tread the unknown corridors in order to find ultimately, the final solution. We have to see, we have to know...
Post by: Kashyyk on May 12, 2018, 11:53:31 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 12, 2018, 12:03:24 pm
C - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of madness.Not if RNG is involved B
Post by: Weirdsound on May 12, 2018, 12:10:17 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 12, 2018, 12:16:53 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 12, 2018, 12:18:51 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 12, 2018, 12:20:45 pm
I mean, a book of secrets is one thing. But a book of secrets that resists even our wise trait can't be up to any good.
If we really want to find out, maybe send it to our good friends the Damdamians and see what they make out of it ...
But continuing sounds like a good way to get Congratulations! We've earned a negative trait!
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2018, 12:24:04 pm
That Haspen is giving us a second chance on the evil fucking book roll scares me.
C:
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Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 12, 2018, 01:11:01 pm
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 12, 2018, 01:16:08 pm
also was that a pun....... :D
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2018, 01:19:46 pm
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You crack the code, or so you believe. Many vague things become clear, and the purpose of ritual is a simple one:
It is a deal with Prince of Glory, an otherworldly demon. He grants wishes upon summoning to the one who sacrifices 'their own blood', or as the book puts it, 'most precious one', usually a wife, a child, or someone such. The summoning must take place during moonless night, starting before midnight and ending before first greyness occurs. There's lots of chanting involved, in pentatic and symballic meter; melodical poetry that hasn't been in use for centuries (mostly because it sounds rather bad).
The Prince of Glory's power is not without limits, as even a demon as strong as him cannot affect whole world, but nothing wrong with cursing a nation or such. Prince of Glory is able to bestow numerous boons, and is skilled in granting personal strengths rather than curses and hexes.
The book also vividly explains what happens if one botches the summoning ritual, accidentally disturbs the blood signs or hestitates in uttering their wish. It also explains that Prince of Glory is sated most easily with wealth, and is willing to come generations or even centuries into future to collect his debt, either from the summoner's progeny or those who happen to live in their estates.
A) A demon-summoning book!? Burn it at once!
B) If I won't get a mountain of money for this book, the world's crazy!
C) This - this I can trust. I will make Methiant great again!
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 12, 2018, 01:24:39 pm
At the same time, someone else's problem.
B
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 12, 2018, 01:25:49 pm
probably a
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 12, 2018, 01:29:56 pm
About time something interesting happens
Post by: Weirdsound on May 12, 2018, 01:30:08 pm
Ideally we should transcribe the ritual so one of our characters who isn't a WISard might use it in the future if the need arises.
Actually, we sometimes get options to trade artifacts to Wizards for services. Even if we never want to use it, it could still be good for that. Also, it would be cool when disease random events hit the family to possibly get "whelp, your kid's sick and probably isn't going to make it anyway, might as well feed it to a demon for favor."
As much as I love the idea of forging a demonic contract to make ourselves immortal and knowledgeable beyond mortal ken, and using our great material wealth to pay the Prince off, fucking about with blood sacrifice is an excellent way to get reamed by both demons and priests.
At the same time, someone else's problem.
B
B is the worst option. We don't need the money. All we'd be doing is giving somebody else a possible super weapon to use against us. If we don't want it, we should destroy it, and keep it until we have money problems.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 12, 2018, 01:32:29 pm
Just copy the book to sell one and keep a spare, profit and summoning demons!
Post by: Prophet on May 12, 2018, 01:33:05 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 12, 2018, 01:41:13 pm
Better living through demonology!
Post by: Puppyguard on May 12, 2018, 01:48:47 pm
Power...
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 12, 2018, 01:50:07 pm
For to long kings have been murdered by the ungratefull claric and commom folk,we will make methiante great again,either they like it or not,also burning it is a bad ideia.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 12, 2018, 01:53:19 pm
Because really, it doesn't make narrative sense to summon a demon right now. It would be cool if we could add the book back to our library, so that we can summon a demon when we're desperate or so.
Post by: Taricus on May 12, 2018, 01:58:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 12, 2018, 02:00:51 pm
B
Because really, it doesn't make narrative sense to summon a demon right now. It would be cool if we could add the book back to our library, so that we can summon a demon when we're desperate or so.
Would be pretty cool to get some self-improvement underway though. Especially on our future generations' dime.
Post by: crazyabe on May 12, 2018, 02:11:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 12, 2018, 02:13:23 pm
A
It appears this guy can deliver so I worry about it reaching the wrong hands but I'm not sure even a treasury like ours can bear the cost.
Post by: Draignean on May 12, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 12, 2018, 02:18:36 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 12, 2018, 02:19:39 pm
guys go b c is going to kill a ton of guys possibly all of them
You can't have an omelette...
Post by: Taricus on May 12, 2018, 02:21:24 pm
Post by: Imic on May 12, 2018, 02:21:49 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 12, 2018, 02:24:35 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 12, 2018, 02:25:36 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 12, 2018, 03:01:14 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 12, 2018, 03:03:07 pm
For me the goal is no longer helping the dynasty survive. Now it's about making the Pantheonists PAY.
Post by: helmacon on May 12, 2018, 03:16:26 pm
The pantheists want magic back in the world? Congrats. Here it is.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on May 12, 2018, 03:21:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 12, 2018, 04:36:29 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 12, 2018, 05:40:59 pm
Yeah how about we not be the ones to bring that about by summoning a wish-master demon.
A
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 12, 2018, 06:46:00 pm
Make Methiant Great Again!
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 12, 2018, 08:18:29 pm
You know that apocalypse, the one with our families all dead.Let's get ass fucked by the pantheonists instead :)...No way in hell.
Yeah how about we not be the ones to bring that about by summoning a wish-master demon.
A
Post by: omada on May 12, 2018, 09:22:00 pm
With this in hand we can make way for finding other books of magic by finding stuff
we maybe isn't yet tyrannical and bad enough to kill someone we love (although if someone of our lineage try to kill us we can make it pay)
But one day it might be what is needed to make humans get magical blood again
selling it is giving someone a super weapon
burning it is safe.. but maybe it's a waste of potential that might not be awarded, or it can even backfire somehow
maybe we should ask a wizard or sorcerer about returning the magic to humans instead
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 03:14:28 am
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You decide that this book will let you make Methiant again! But when would be the best time to use it?
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3to4
Something in your head tells you that this is too important to keep for later. Yes, the thought, the voice, is absolutely right.
A) I will summon the Prince of Glory as soon as possible.
B) In few months' time, I will summon the Prince of Glory.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 03:15:50 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 13, 2018, 03:19:03 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 03:24:51 am
Better get some prep in beforehand, wouldn't want to rush it and look like a numpty.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 13, 2018, 03:35:06 am
Oh boy. Brain control book. Time to start thinking about what we want and who we sacrifice. I'm thinking it should be the wife who goes. We are still young, and our only child is female, so if we widow ourselves quietly we likely have the opportunity to take on another beneficial political marriage.
As for what we want, lots of people are stating that we should use the boon to punish the Pantheonists. I'd say the best way to do this is to grant our army a boon (a long term improvement) and send them to purge the Pantheonists, rather than just siccing the demon directly on our enemies (a one time deal). The quickest way to improve our army quickly would be to take the Martial trait for ourselves, and Bjern is young enough that any trait we get from him could last us awhile. We know the demon can grant multiple traits in one go, so we might as well take healthy to try and extend the life of our demonicly buffed super-emperor.
We know that the demon can target our either our bloodline or the resident of our home when he comes back to collect payment. I wonder if we could structure the contract so that it specifically targets the residents of Methe rather than our descendants, thus allowing us to make the payment somebody else's problem by moving the capital.
Lastly, we know the ritual can backfire. Ideally we should set it up somewhere far from home so that there is no collateral damage should the worst happen. We could leave on a "romantic trip" with only our wife and most loyal Shadow Rank peeps, conduct the ritual away from prying eyes, and return without her claiming a tragic accident. This way our people will be neither aware of our actions nor put in danger by them.
Post by: ZBridges on May 13, 2018, 03:39:00 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 03:42:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 03:42:43 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 03:44:14 am
This is why I wanted to get rid of the book. We're gonna get eaten by a demon and cause a succession crisis.
Elective succession pretty much guarantees no succession crisis though? Not that we've actually had an elective succession of any sort since we still get to name our heirs somehow but hypothetically we can just elect any old muppet to be Emperor if need be. This isn't Crusader Kings where your dynasty is the only thing that matters.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 03:48:01 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 03:50:46 am
Just because we haven't lost by killing off our dynasty yet, doesn't mean it isn't possible.That's not a very useful metric! "Just because we haven't lost by succeeding so hard that everyone in the kingdom died from awesomeness yet, doesn't mean it isn't possible." "Just because we haven't lost by falling into a bottomless pit and being eaten by a grue while on campaign yet, doesn't mean it isn't possible." "Just because we haven't lost because Damed himself descended and turned us into a fish yet, doesn't mean it isn't possible."
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 03:59:47 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 04:01:49 am
Yes because defence in hyperbole is so convincing. Population, Economy, Military, Happiness and the Dynasty are the five critical parts of this game. If we lost any of them it's Game Over.
We did lose the dynasty at the very start of SPAMKINGDOM+ and the nobles of the realm got together and elected Estwalf as the new duke. And we literally passed an edict that makes passing the Imperial crown to a person outside the dynasty not just possible, but readily doable with well-established provisions.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 04:23:01 am
Post by: milo christiansen on May 13, 2018, 06:16:31 am
Post by: omada on May 13, 2018, 08:38:18 am
damn
B, maybe we can hold the urge
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 09:28:19 am
1172 AD, Mid-Autumn
The Army has withdrawn from Orcworld; for now, only the Fortress garrison, scouts and scholars remain there.
And in good moment, too! There are riots near the Evalian border; Pantheonist worshippers are being killed by those of other faiths, with majority of them being of Damedian kind.
The governor asks for help in this troubling situation.
A) Nah, I've got more important things to do.
B) Fine, I will send my glorious Army to do the job.
C) A letter calling for reason will surely work.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 09:29:13 am
Oh no! Heavens preserve us!
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 09:29:27 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 13, 2018, 09:55:20 am
They are still our men. Plus damdamians are even worse and more zealous than the pantheists, we dont want them gaining a foothold here.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 10:02:35 am
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 10:07:26 am
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You did it! The letter made the warring faiths reconsider their actions and finally they decided to lay down their weapons. Of course leaders of the rioting parties had to be dealt with, but you stopped much larger bloodspill! Everyone praises your name and thinks better of your office; Pantheonists for bringing peace to your subjects, your subjects for defense of Pantheonism against foreign faith.
1172 AD, Late Autumn
You enter the unused bedroom and open up the locked coffer.
You pick up the book and caress it gently. You cannot sleep well because your dreams are filled with visions of this book, visions of glory and visions of power. You feel like postponing this is pointless. The book knows your destiny, and you know yours.
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Heads
Though your humanity, hidden under veil of uncertainty, still grips at the edge of your mind, as if desperately trying to stall the book's use.
A) Just few more months, I promise.
B) Indeed. The time has come.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 10:09:36 am
TIME IS!
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 10:16:09 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 10:26:37 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 13, 2018, 10:34:39 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 13, 2018, 10:36:02 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 13, 2018, 10:36:17 am
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 10:41:32 am
1172 AD, Winter
Gems, as well as parts of gold and silver arrive in your Treasury.
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The glasswares sold for some coin, but its quality has been praises by noblemen and merchants alike.
A cold winter night like any other, you hold your little Rinilda up, playing with her as she squeals and laughs with you. It is bedtime, and no moon is outside. It would be scary and dark night, but in your arms, Rinilda feels perfectly safe from monsters living under her bed. Still, you're sure Ruberta will be angry at you two for staying up this long, but ain't Rinilda your most precious thing?
You hold her up and then put her down, and then up again, before you realize.
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Tails
"You're the most precious, yes."
"Daddy?"
"Shush, dearest. I will show you something outside the palace. Come now!"
You pick Rinilda up and quietly leave the chambers, your daughter clutching her beloved doll in her hands. The place you're heading for is ready, prepared by you weeks ago; an old altar, nowadays unused by Pantheonists, and conveniently localized in the royal forest north of the palace.
Yes, that will be the place... this will be the night...
*KZZZZZZTTTT*
You're Empress-Consort Ruberta. It is time to sleep. The matron is dismissed after you two knit another pair of socks for little Rinilda. You can finish your needlework tomorrow.
You check the royal bedroom, but of course Bjern isn't here. You shake your head. Lately he spends whole evenings in the library like some bookworm. That, or maybe he is playing with Rinilda. Again! Does he not understand the little girl needs to sleep, or the giants will come and make her short forever?
But then you enter her bedroom, and notice that the bed is prepared but empty. The straw doll, Rinilda's favorite, is missing. You walk out of the bedroom and grab Ruadh, the bedservant of your husband, by the arm.
"Ruadh? Where's my husband? And Rinilda?"
"I think I saw him take lil' princess somewhere. Uh, towards the kitchens I think?"
A) "A meal this late at night and right before bed? This is strange. Come, help me find these two, Ruadh."
B) "A snack before bed? Hmph. Ruadh, when they come back, tell them to see me at once."
Post by: Criptfeind on May 13, 2018, 10:43:34 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 13, 2018, 10:47:56 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 13, 2018, 10:49:21 am
What is wrong with you people?
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 10:49:57 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 13, 2018, 11:01:24 am
Post by: Imic on May 13, 2018, 11:18:44 am
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 11:22:51 am
Few minutes later, some guards follow you out of the kitchen - neither Bjern nor Rinilda were there.
And few minutes after that, almost entire castle is on its feet.
As the darkness goes deeper in the night, you find yourself in the royal forest. The entire castle has been checked, even after one of gate guards reported that the Emperor demanded to be let out along with Rinilda.
You make your way between the trees, tripping over the roots several times. Is it motherly instinct that guides you into the woods? Or mayhaps something stranger is at the work here?
Just then, you see a flicker of light. Between the trees, amongst some tall and flat rocks. You remember this place; this is an old Pantheonist altar that Bjern once talked about.
And indeed, soon the candlelight passes close enough to the man's face to assure you it is your husband. And the kid sitting on the stone, no doubt it is little Rinilda. What is he doing here? Since when does he perform rituals? Why all this secrecy, too?
You have a bad feeling about this. (https://youtu.be/oGEzqWGp2WA?t=57m30s)
You sneak closer, almost wanting to shout out to your husband, on other hand, you dare not to. You're just behind the last tree before the glade with the altar, when you see a white glint of metal in Bjern's hand! Is that a knife!?
A) I must stop him!!
B) What is he doing??
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 13, 2018, 11:27:53 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 11:28:15 am
Post by: Imic on May 13, 2018, 11:30:04 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 11:33:12 am
This is why I wanted to get rid of the book. We're gonna get eaten by a demon and cause a succession crisis.Our descendents will get eaten by a demon,we will become a warrior capable of avenging our father.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 11:33:38 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 11:35:15 am
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 11:35:22 am
But how!
A) With my fists!
B) With this large branch!
C) By calling him out!
D) With this large rock!
E) By calling the guards!
F) By throwing my cat doll at him!
*
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 13, 2018, 11:39:16 am
Appeal to his humanity, I guess?
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 11:40:29 am
Oh god this is the best
Whack the fucker with a stick, Ruberta!
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 11:43:52 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 11:44:51 am
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 11:45:25 am
SURRENDER
This is not valid vote.
If you don't want to vote, don't post, simples ;v
C and E, he either stops or he gets restrained.
No split votes either.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 11:45:40 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 11:49:01 am
Just kidding man,i wonder what happens if we roll a 1,CSURRENDER
This is not valid vote.
If you don't want to vote, don't post, simples ;vC and E, he either stops or he gets restrained.
No split votes either.
Post by: crazyabe on May 13, 2018, 11:50:18 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 13, 2018, 11:56:26 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 13, 2018, 12:10:52 pm
Momma don't play nice when anybody's holding a knife on her kid.
(Happy Mother's Day! I love you, Mom! Not that you read this forum but at least I said it!)
Post by: Elephant Parade on May 13, 2018, 12:13:41 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 13, 2018, 12:29:42 pm
CAT DOLL WILL SAVE THE DAY
Post by: Criptfeind on May 13, 2018, 12:31:28 pm
Demons are at afraid of cats right?
Post by: ZBridges on May 13, 2018, 12:49:16 pm
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 12:55:12 pm
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Post by: birdy51 on May 13, 2018, 01:01:21 pm
While I wholly support Bjern's insanity, we're not Bjern. We must stop this madness with VIOLENCE!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 01:06:13 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 01:10:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 01:12:11 pm
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Of course I add joke option, it wins 'v.
I should work on my willpower these days...
You pull out Mister Blackfur and prepare to throw him at Bjern's face.
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1jesus f.christ xD
Unfortunately, the chickpea-filled doll strikes a branch above you. The branch has more staying power than you, and due to inertia (or maybe your lack of fighting skill), you manage to yank yourself backwards and fall onto the ground with a loud thud.
You quickly stand up, only for someone to grab you from behind and pull a knife to your throat. It's your dearest husband, Bjern! How did he get to you so fast and so quietly!?
He is whispering something onimously, something about Methiant and Glory, but what preoccupies you more is the feeling of the cold steel at your neck...
A) Struggle!
B) Don't struggle.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 01:13:50 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 13, 2018, 01:15:41 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 01:19:38 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 01:21:53 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 13, 2018, 01:24:57 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 13, 2018, 01:40:54 pm
God will save us.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 01:41:55 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 01:47:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 13, 2018, 02:19:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 02:22:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 13, 2018, 02:44:41 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 13, 2018, 02:53:14 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 02:58:14 pm
Why is everyone trying to end everything by fucking up the demon summoning ritual?
It's called roleplaying, duh.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 03:02:17 pm
Honestly, we should've sacrificed our useless brother anyway! That daughter could be empress someday!
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 03:05:34 pm
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You twist your body to get rid of Bjern, but he quickly counters and raises his knife at you. Fortunately you manage to dodge the blow and then wrestle with him for the knife.
"WOMAN! I WILL MAKE METHIANT GREAT AGAIN! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!?"
"You're mad, Bjern! Please calm down!"
You two fight for the knife and Bjern at one moment unceremoniously slams you against nearby tree. You repay him by elbowing his gonads and then his face. Then he grabs you by the throat for a brief moment, but fails to deliver a stab with the knife as you twist your body again. You hear little Rinilda sobbing in terror somewhere to your right.
In the heat of battle, you finally grab hold of the blade and strike; the knife sinks deep under Bjern's jaw. To your terror and disbelief, your beloved Emperor falls to the ground, gurgling on his blood and clawing on the blade. The darkness masks the color of blood that slowly paints Bjern's neck and shirt red.
Soon, the guards and palace staff catches up with the scene...
1172 AD, Midwinter
"The Council gathers today to elect the new Emperor or Empress of Methiant." The Advisor sits down at the pedestal and looks at gathered nobles, officers, officials and dignitaries.
"What happened to the book found under Emperor's robes?" The royal scholar stands up.
"It was a book of some heretical, mystical worship or some such. Such a piece of vile literature could find no resting place other than a fireplace. It has been destroyed." The Advisor nods.
"We must also comment on Empress' deed. She fought bravely and dealt with Emperor Bjern, who seemingly fell into madness. Who knows what could become of us and Methiant if she failed in her noble combat." The Advisor lifts the cast iron ball and slams it three times against the pedestal.
"Now we decide. Do we honor Emperor Bjern's default choice of his daughter Rinilda, with her mother as Empress-Regent, or do we elect someone else? Remember, everyone with dynastic ties-" The Advisor glares at murmuring, scheming, borderlands-dwelling noblemen. "-is viable for the throne."
The council decides to...
A) Go with default choice and choose Rinilda as future Empress of Methiant, with her mother Ruberta as Empress-Regent.
B Make Empress-Consort Ruberta a true Empress of her own right.
C) Appoint Princess Eiri as Empress of Methiant.
D) Appoint Prince Hein as Emperor of Methiant.
E) Choose Princess Graine as future Empress of Methiant, with her mother Bjeda as Empress-Regent.
F) Choose Prince Deathan as future Emperor of Methiant, with his mother Bjeda as Empress-Regent.
G) Appoint Llewyn, son of King Erik of Cydwyl and Lady Alissa of Methiant as Emperor.
H) Appoint Tollin, son of King Erik of Cydwyl and Lady Alissa of Methiant as Emperor.
I) Choose Aron, son of King Erik of Cydwyl, as future Emperor, with his mother Alissa of Methiant as Empress-Regent.
J) Appoint Lady Alissa, daughter of Harthaen and Tulla, as Empress.
Otherwise, the court can look outside Methiant and invite...
L) King Estjald of Cydwyl, son of Eirika and King Cidric of Cydwyl, to become Emperor of Methiant.
M) Princess Odiana of Cydwyl, daughter of Eirika and King Cidric of Cydwyl, to become Empress of Methiant.
N) Prince Cyl of Cydwyl, son of Eirika and King Cidric of Cydwyl, to become Emperor of Methiant.
Spoiler: Obviously y'all will need some visual aid here (click to show/hide)
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 13, 2018, 03:07:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 13, 2018, 03:09:23 pm
Fuck it. Our army is big enough to sort out any dissatisfaction from uniting the nations! This whole incident could very easily work out for the best. Let us turn Methiant into the Great Yoean Empire!
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 03:12:00 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 13, 2018, 03:12:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 13, 2018, 03:13:26 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 13, 2018, 03:13:56 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 03:15:04 pm
who did we just have kill the crazy ruler I chose that personThat would be B, yes.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 03:15:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 03:15:20 pm
She killed it, she bought it.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 03:17:40 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 13, 2018, 03:19:11 pm
I'd actually prefer A but I don't think we should let the crown pass out of Methiant.
Post by: birdy51 on May 13, 2018, 03:24:25 pm
Reward heroism. (and maybe free ourselves from the vendetta against the Pantheon.)
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 03:30:56 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 13, 2018, 03:36:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 13, 2018, 03:41:59 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 13, 2018, 03:45:21 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 13, 2018, 03:59:02 pm
I would like B but all that land up north sure is inviting
Post by: crazyabe on May 13, 2018, 04:07:34 pm
B.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 04:13:55 pm
(tho it would be cool to play as a demon)
Post by: helmacon on May 13, 2018, 04:44:52 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2018, 04:50:24 pm
B
Post by: Weirdsound on May 13, 2018, 04:58:40 pm
I can't believe you guys risked that. If you had screwed up the ritual it would have been a disaster. Not to mention it lost us a PC, lost us the book, and likely just added more impetus to the pantheist movement.
Yeah. That was incredibly stupid, but it was in character at least.
But we are not playing any character at the moment, so we don't have that excuse if we pick anything other than L and pass up a shot at peacefully absorbing the lands to our north.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 13, 2018, 04:59:53 pm
But we are not playing any character at the moment, so we don't have that excuse if we pick anything other than L and pass up a shot at peacefully absorbing the lands to our north.I still legitimately don't want to do that.
I feel that this is an acceptable excuse.
Post by: Prophet on May 13, 2018, 05:09:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 13, 2018, 05:11:44 pm
But we are not playing any character at the moment, so we don't have that excuse if we pick anything other than L and pass up a shot at peacefully absorbing the lands to our north.I still legitimately don't want to do that.
I feel that this is an acceptable excuse.
Fair enough. I can understand that. It looks like some people are just voting Ruberta because they think it is cool that she stopped Bjern though. I can't think of anything she would give us aside from possible friendship with Helliste.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 13, 2018, 05:14:46 pm
I think a real legitimate reason if you're looking at a purely minmaxing (of I guess expansion?) is that we're already struggling with happiness, loyalty, and control over the nation. Three things that will be important to make sure it's a smooth transition.
But, I think it sounds fun to try anyway.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 05:16:49 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 13, 2018, 05:28:34 pm
Also it's valuable to note that Estjald's only heir is his brother Cyl, and so I don't think he's well-placed at all to ensure the beginning of a new Methiant-Cydwyl imperial dynasty, and our diplomatic relations with Cydwyl seem to be, if not necessarily at an all-time low, then definitely at one of the lowest points they've been in the last century.
You make good points.
That said, I think Estjald would be willing to take a crack at it. He was willing to meddle with his own nation's line of succession to gain his power, he should be willing to meddle with Methiant's to expand it.
If our military goes along with our decision and remains loyal, we can put down any rebellions. If not, we likely get a civil war minigame, which will be fun.
As for Estjald's heir situation, if we can keep him around long enough to unite the nations and restore stability, we can rely on the same institution of elective succession that put him into power to replace him.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 13, 2018, 07:37:22 pm
Estjald has been a jerk, so I'm sticking as close to Bjern's dynastic line as seems feasible in the political moment.
B
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 13, 2018, 07:42:24 pm
You make good points.
That said, I think Estjald would be willing to take a crack at it. He was willing to meddle with his own nation's line of succession to gain his power, he should be willing to meddle with Methiant's to expand it.
If our military goes along with our decision and remains loyal, we can put down any rebellions. If not, we likely get a civil war minigame, which will be fun.
As for Estjald's heir situation, if we can keep him around long enough to unite the nations and restore stability, we can rely on the same institution of elective succession that put him into power to replace him.
Yeah, but if by your own admission we're likely going to need to have either a civil war or a purge of a riotous populace of potentially Evalian proportions to pull off this "peaceful" takeover, I'm quite unsure it's in any way, shape or form worth it when the likely result is either dissolution when Estjald bites and/or eats it, or the appearance of persistently hostile separatist elements on top of the persistently hostile elements we already need to deal with.
The Cyl vote would have been a better idea, as that has a smoother convergence of the two titles rather than just handing the King of Cydwyl the literal keys to the Empire and also gives an out in case the idea is completely intolerable to Cydwylians (and if it is, it'd be rightly so, since I figure they're intelligent enough to know that in a full-on union with Methiant there's basically no way they're gonna come out on top without getting nommed by our considerably more advanced administrative system).
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 13, 2018, 08:03:49 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 13, 2018, 08:04:59 pm
Post by: omada on May 13, 2018, 08:55:44 pm
it will be a land-grab
a money-grab
a army-grab
and a charismatic heir who can send letters to deal with the revolts for us
Post by: Haspen on May 13, 2018, 11:58:01 pm
Such a close run, I'mma wait for couple more votes ;v (and for when I'm back from work)
Post by: Rockeater on May 14, 2018, 12:08:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 14, 2018, 12:19:45 am
I do hope it doesn't end in succession wars though.
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 02:58:54 am
Edit: B
Consider the tye broken.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 14, 2018, 09:58:42 am
The Cyl vote would have been a better idea, as that has a smoother convergence of the two titles rather than just handing the King of Cydwyl the literal keys to the Empire and also gives an out in case the idea is completely intolerable to Cydwylians (and if it is, it'd be rightly so, since I figure they're intelligent enough to know that in a full-on union with Methiant there's basically no way they're gonna come out on top without getting nommed by our considerably more advanced administrative system).
Yeah, I'm a bit sorry I didn't show up to the conversation earlier. I might have been swung to support Cyl (although I do favor Ruberta/Rinilda) but never Estjald.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on May 14, 2018, 10:17:22 am
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 10:50:18 am
11 B
10 L
Enough time passed and enough votes were made. Let's go!
1172 AD, Late Winter
You are Ruberta, daughter of Aeldaun! You have been just now selected by the Council of Methiant as its next ruler, an Empress! And to think your father told you, when you were smol, that you will probably end as consort to one of Eldrican noblemen. Funny how that goes, but that would be another indicator that luck is your strength.
You consider what to regnal name to take, but there's not many amongst Methiantese noblewomen. Therefore, you decide to supplant your own!
All hail Empress Ruberta of Methiant, Queen of Felonsein and Ceodwell, Suzerain of Donuth, Tiftit and Eval!
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Somehow, most of the important people consider 'Bjern's' passing as a good thing. It seems that loss of a leader concerned them less than possible demon summonings he might've carried out.
1172 AD, End of the Year
The last month was spent on preparations and paperwork, and now comes time for even more paperwork! It is that strange time when the Advisor visits their sovereign in their rooms and present them those mystical Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
You believe they really should just make a new copy every year; these scrolls, almost a century old, seem to be growing mold and acquired black pigmentation from overwriting on them. Kinda yucky.
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Happiness: 7
Population: 5
Economy: 7
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: -1
"Your Highness, our Armt failed to get enough recruits to refill its numbers yet, and the authority of the office of Empress is a bit lacking despite all efforts made. Still, do you wish to honour your ascension with issueing of an Edict?"
A) Better not.
B) But of course!
//Actually, I forgot to add income from gemstones, silver and gold, so that's false alarm, the Economy is doing alright!
Post by: milo christiansen on May 14, 2018, 10:52:47 am
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 10:54:29 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 14, 2018, 10:55:50 am
Guys, I know what we need to do to weaken the Pantheonists! Religious Tolerance doesn't work, so I think we need to come at this from the other end. Something to foster a spirit of freedom and humanism and positive thinking and all that cool shit.
The Bill of Rights!
Post by: birdy51 on May 14, 2018, 10:57:37 am
A Bill of Rights isn't a bad idea. Ruberta strikes me as the kind of person to care lovingly for all of her people.
But I do want to wait; make it something more of a capstone to a long and storied career as opposed to the opening Salvo.
We do need to adjust our tactics though. We've been sitting on those army reforms for too long.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 11:02:25 am
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 11:06:39 am
Overlady?
Apparently not. Do I go with sovereign? Suzerain?
/me must go deeper into feudal nomenclature!
EDIT: According to Wikipedia, Suzerain is just what I need: 'The terminology gradually became generalised to refer to any relationship in which one region or people controls the foreign policy and international relations of a tributary state, while allowing the tributary nation to have internal autonomy.[1] Modern writers also sometimes use the term suzerain to refer to a feudal lord, in regard to their relationship to their vassals.'
Post by: Prophet on May 14, 2018, 11:11:54 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 14, 2018, 11:18:32 am
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 11:23:37 am
Well, this has been one right train wreck of a decade.
Hopefully we'll get it right this time.
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 11:33:02 am
Well, this has been one right train wreck of a decade.
It's been barely 2 years so far, I will point out V:
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 14, 2018, 11:46:07 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 14, 2018, 11:54:41 am
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 12:18:23 pm
1173 AD, Spring
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Silverwork got some coin into the Treasury.
1173 AD, Mid-Spring
Irvalina of Eldrican arrives to marry Hein!
You eagerly meet with your somewhat distant cousin, but a cousin nonetheless, and enter a chatty party time.
You learn that quite a few noblemen has been removed from power in recent decade by Tetan, and that silver mines at Koi have been in steep decline for past decade. What silver was brought of them last year was forged into some jewelry that makes Irvalina's personal trinkets for her future life as Princess of Methiant.
She then delves into more mundane topics, like bones of hippogryphs being dug out in southeastern Eldrican, and it seems that people again believe in their healing prophecies. Uh, hippogryph powder is so last century! Irvalina, in her chatter, reveals that silver and gold has been scarce in Tetan's treasury last year; instead, copper coins as well as foreign money fill it up, the break-up of Damdamians allowing Tetans' merchants to hook up several sweet trade deals with the southern kingdoms and states.
Wishing Irvalina happy and good wifedom, you give her away into Hein's hands.
The two marry in a somewhat moderate ceremony, with many local guests attending (you, of course, included).
1173 AD, Late Spring
Bjeda, your mother-in-law, is sick in bed!
The healers have found some strange growth in her abdomen, near her womb. They want to stuff her full of mineral and herbal tinctures and to sew some healing herbs into her abdomen, but Pantheonists have already prepared rituals for the God of Healing, to ask him to cure Bjeda of her ails, lest she dies so young. This has already caused some bickering at your court.
A) Obviously not my problem, this.
B) Healers are wise and learned in ways of medicine, they know what they're doing!
C) Such a strange illness requires something extra. Let us pray to God of Healing!
Post by: Prophet on May 14, 2018, 12:20:20 pm
Edit: C Also yeah I guess I'll vote C for now.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 14, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
C
Also long term plans, I think our economy is doing okay and I don't see us needing emergency expenses. I think we should sign the calendar of festivities next year, really celebrate a real return to Cognatic lines of succession.
(Also I think we know what high levels of the other three resources do, army makes the army ask for a war, economy lets us buy something expensive, and population gives more money. I wanta see what high happiness does.)
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 14, 2018, 12:22:24 pm
No no no
Harvest the Great One
Seriously though, I just realized that Ruberta's an Eldrican and Eldricans worship Damed - how long has she been converted to Pantheonism? I recall the wedding happened back when Religious Tolerance was still a thing?
EDIT: also it's pretty cool that we get to actually flesh out the many, many wives we've got knocking about. It'd be funny if a lot of the dudes in the court got relegated to boozing and hunting local waterfowl while we did all the Important Governance
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 12:24:21 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 14, 2018, 12:32:27 pm
Spoiler: Proposed "Edict to the rights and privlages of the citizen" (click to show/hide)
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 14, 2018, 12:46:12 pm
If it's cancer might as well pray
Post by: mightymushroom on May 14, 2018, 12:47:37 pm
You learn that quite a few noblemen has been removed from power in recent decade by Tetan, and that silver mines at Koi have been in steep decline for past decade. What silver was brought of them last year was forged into some jewelry that makes Irvalina's personal trinkets for her future life as Princess of Methiant.
I'd like to reiterate that I'm pretty sure the deal was half of the output rather than a fixed amount. If he's had trouble that doesn't excuse him from trying to cover it up by not sharing.
C
Or it's another one of those space lobsters and we might as well pray.
Post by: helmacon on May 14, 2018, 12:58:49 pm
a subtle thing to to start weakening the authority of the pantheists.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 14, 2018, 01:04:25 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 14, 2018, 01:11:18 pm
Pantheonists are Erdlu Faced Bastards.
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 01:11:51 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 14, 2018, 01:13:22 pm
I was just going to update .<.
Don't worry we cancelled each other out!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 14, 2018, 01:15:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 01:31:00 pm
I was just going to update .<.
Don't worry we cancelled each other out!
THAT'S THE ACTUAL PROBLEM HERE >XV
Post by: ZBridges on May 14, 2018, 01:40:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 01:49:26 pm
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The surgery is done, but Bjeda does not feel better. Instead, after week of increasing agony and pain, she succumbs to infection and inflammation of the wound. Courtiers are outraged, and some noblemen have the ire to blame you for Bjeda's death.
1173 AD, Summer
An urgent report arrives from Orcworld Fortress; the beakmen have returned with gifts; this time they've brought a lot of stone and clay tablets, murals and idols. Your scholars were awestruck at the quality of the stonework especially, the beakmen must have access to some quality metal tools to etch such fine and delicate lines into otherwise brittle stones.
The beakmen themselves are quite enthusiastic about their wares, and from their frantic grunting and chirping and exposition of their gifts, your scholars came to a sudden realization - these are not gift-givers, these might be missionaries. Even before language barrier has been broken, the beakmen are already attempting to gain followers for their faith amongst your unfeathered brethren. Your scholars assume that their religion is related to some giant bird (or birds) and an even larger thing than them all - the sun.
The commander in his report inquiries about course of action in this situation.
A) Eugh, missionaries! Repel them at once!
B) Give them scriptures and idols and tablets of religious kind from Methiant.
C) Politely accept the gifts.
Post by: ZBridges on May 14, 2018, 01:51:22 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 14, 2018, 01:54:19 pm
Bird religions! What will they think of next? Gonna be a handy method of learning their ways, I suppose.
Post by: helmacon on May 14, 2018, 02:02:00 pm
Sun worship to supplant pantheism?
Post by: Rockeater on May 14, 2018, 02:02:05 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 02:06:38 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 14, 2018, 02:08:13 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 14, 2018, 02:08:17 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 14, 2018, 02:09:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 14, 2018, 02:11:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 14, 2018, 02:11:50 pm
B, why not do cultural exchange?
>spreading pantheism in any way
>:(
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 02:17:01 pm
1173 AD, Autumn
Harvests across Methiant has been bontiful lately, both to good weather and expertise of Hurthlings, and few other factors. Therefore, the people of Methiant clamor for a harvest festival dedicated to show the gratitude to gods of harvests and earth and nature and all other types for this. Peasants, officials and priests ask the Crown to sponsor festivities.
A) Nah, we ain't got coin for dat.
B) Open up the wine bottles!!
Post by: mightymushroom on May 14, 2018, 02:19:15 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 02:19:24 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 14, 2018, 02:22:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 14, 2018, 02:25:54 pm
We are going to bed a happiness buffer when we slaughter the clergy
Post by: crazyabe on May 14, 2018, 02:32:53 pm
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 02:39:02 pm
Shhh... Do you want the gods of the game to make the next eight years shit too?Well, this has been one right train wreck of a decade.
It's been barely 2 years so far, I will point out V:
Wait, I forgot, you're the GM. You saw nothing.
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 02:42:03 pm
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Everyone celebrated splendidly. Peoples of all classes had their share of drinks, laugh and companionship. They all praise the name of Empress Ruberta who allowed them these days of joyful celebrations.
1173 AD, Mid-Autumn
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Springwine brought profits to the Treasury, and noblemen were pacified by the fine taste of this year's beverages.
You hear news from Kingdom of Eldrican; The alliance of State of Prawlant and Republic of Calvendocia, after some trade disputes with court of Tetan I of Eldrican, has waged war! Eldricans are fielding lots of massed infantry as well as horsemen from the north, armed in bows and Fireblood tubes; the Republicans from far west however are experts in Fireblood, and already tales of machines that shatter walls and shred men apart reach the ears of your court.
This is terrible thing to befall your beloved family. Even if Tetan's relationship with Methiant wasn't best in recent years, mayhaps it is time to help mend it?
A) Can't do, nobles of Methiant will point out his unpaid debt right away.
B) A minor help will do. Let's send Tetan some supplies and money, and words of support.
C) I can't watch idly as my family is harassed! Methiantese Army will help Eldricans in their hour of need.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 14, 2018, 02:44:29 pm
Yes. Literally in this post.
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 02:45:08 pm
Sod off.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 14, 2018, 02:47:02 pm
Come on now, throw them dudes a polite bone at least.
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 02:47:41 pm
Fixed.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 14, 2018, 02:51:08 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 14, 2018, 02:51:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 14, 2018, 02:56:35 pm
A This would've been the perfect time to attack them.
Ruberta obviously is and will remain for long time pro-Eldrican, therefore options to go against them might not happen for a while. You will have easier time starting war against Cydwyl with her than with her homeland v;
I mean, what you guys were expecting for putting an born-and-lived-mostly-in-Eldrican woman on the throne? You got a person with wrong familial alignment on the throne, and it's too late to change your mind, boo hoo hoo ;v
Post by: Weirdsound on May 14, 2018, 03:00:03 pm
A This would've been the perfect time to attack them.
Ruberta obviously is and will remain for long time pro-Eldrican, therefore options to go against them might not happen for a while. You will have easier time starting war against Cydwyl with her than with her homeland v;
I mean, what you guys were expecting for putting an born-and-lived-mostly-in-Eldrican woman on the throne? You got a person with wrong familial alignment on the throne, and it's too late to change your mind, boo hoo hoo ;v
C
When we win, we can demand all the spoils of war to settle the debt.
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 03:07:38 pm
Also, I wonder if Haspen actually takes note of the Scrolls of Kingdom status for all the other nations... Something to think about...
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 14, 2018, 04:13:24 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 14, 2018, 04:32:08 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 14, 2018, 04:41:09 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 14, 2018, 04:43:21 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 14, 2018, 04:45:25 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 14, 2018, 04:59:36 pm
Post by: omada on May 14, 2018, 05:03:50 pm
altough if we join the war we also must send word about the unpaid debt
we can ask for the spoils of war, we can ask for koi as a vassal, we can ask the debt being paid in wagons of hypogriff bone (our scholars might study it) and ketton cloth, or something other they might have
Post by: Prophet on May 14, 2018, 05:10:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 14, 2018, 05:56:34 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 14, 2018, 06:30:13 pm
Ruberta obviously is and will remain for long time pro-Eldrican, therefore options to go against them might not happen for a while. You will have easier time starting war against Cydwyl with her than with her homeland v;
I wouldn't mind that. I mean, we've had plenty of chances to attack Eldrican stretching back two decades and opted for marriages instead. The landscape has shifted.
C
Post by: birdy51 on May 14, 2018, 11:56:26 pm
In-Character go.
Post by: Rockeater on May 15, 2018, 12:44:20 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 15, 2018, 12:58:58 am
Post by: Baffler on May 15, 2018, 01:27:40 am
Post by: Haspen on May 16, 2018, 12:44:48 pm
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You mgiht be wanting to help your family, but your courtiers surely won't share the sentiment, so you decide not to get involved.
1173 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gems arrive in your Treasury.
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So do the great profits from selling of glasswork and words of praise from your nobles about the quality of Crown-made goblets and plates.
While having a cup of rootbrew and doing some knitwork with Lady Alissa, the topic moves to the children, then to the family, and then to the topic of husbands.
"Empress, I must notice that you're still young and your courtiers have not made efforts to find you another husband. I respect of course the soul of poor Bjern but it is unbecoming of a lady of your stature to go around unmarried."
Knit knit knit.
"So you see, I have been wondering whether I, a humble guest of your house but also a member of your family, should extend my helping hand."
Knit knit knit.
"After some consideration about what would be best for you and for Methiant, I have decided to offer my son Llewyn as your Emperor-Consort."
You stop the knitwork and look at Lady Alissa with dumbstruck expression.
"You can't be serious. I'm fifteen or twenty years older than him! I could be his mother!"
"Actually, I studied the genealogy of our noble families and you're older only by scant eleven years. You can still bear children, and he is a young, healthy and energetic man. If the worst happens, he can help you with daily administration or even rule in your stead." You continue to stare at Lady Alissa.
"Consider my offer, Empress! It's for good of Methiant."
A) "Still, I shall marry a man, not a boy."
B) "Alright, I will have him as my husband."
Post by: crazyabe on May 16, 2018, 01:15:39 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 16, 2018, 01:30:20 pm
We actually get to pick who we marry now, this is great!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 16, 2018, 01:33:42 pm
I know healthy wives mean lots of children for our male characters. Lets see if it works the other way around.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 16, 2018, 01:37:21 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 16, 2018, 02:00:16 pm
B
Post by: Prophet on May 16, 2018, 02:05:25 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 16, 2018, 02:26:04 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 16, 2018, 02:35:46 pm
Post by: omada on May 16, 2018, 02:37:13 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 16, 2018, 02:39:23 pm
A It might not be the worst thing in the world but I'll pass.
Post by: Haspen on May 16, 2018, 03:11:07 pm
Few weeks later Alissa no longer knits with you, but with your royal matron.
1173 AD, Midwinter
While you tend to little Rinilda, one of the guard knocks on the door. You let him in.
"Your Majesty, there's a man claiming to be a messenger from Cydwyl, but he wishes to meet with you in private, and bears no signs of royal messenger of King Estjald."
A) "Does this assassin believe audacity will save him? Get rid of him!"
B) "He must explain himself otherwise, I will refuse him."
C) "Then he is not from King Estjald, but someone else. Let him in."
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 16, 2018, 03:12:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 16, 2018, 03:12:50 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 16, 2018, 03:15:24 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 16, 2018, 03:15:52 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 16, 2018, 03:16:15 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 16, 2018, 03:19:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 16, 2018, 03:21:48 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 16, 2018, 03:37:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 16, 2018, 03:42:06 pm
The diminutive man with unkept red hair on his freckled head is certain young; no more than twenty. He hands you a letter.
"Empress, this is from my master. I'm not supposed to return without a reply."
Intrigued, confused, and with two members of Shadowranks lurking outside the windows, you roll the scroll open and begin to read.
"To the most beautiful and serene lady in charge of certain southern neighbour.
The dissolution of the love between the two houses living near each other pains me, as my forefathers worked hard to maintain a positive relationship, fostering it carefully. Now however, a certain tree, that supports all of my northernly home, is rumored to suffer from incurable illness, and more and more power goes to this young blossom, who wants to see two houses bound together now and forever.
If a certain, still young and beautiful, doe of the south would take this northern-dwelling blossom to her home and accept its sweet silvery seed, the children of this natural union will surely inherit a forest that stands large and proud, casting shadows over all local saplings. Consider this, and reply before the frozen rivers thaw.
Pardon the terrible poetry of epithets and metaphors, my lady, but poetry is language of love, or so the bards say.
C of C."
You look at the young messenger, who is clearly nervous before your regal presence. You decide to...
A) Demand names, straight talk and explanations at once!
B) Accept the offer, and write so in a reply.
C) Decline the offer, and write so in a reply.
Post by: crazyabe on May 16, 2018, 03:44:11 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 16, 2018, 03:52:22 pm
Post by: Imic on May 16, 2018, 03:52:37 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 16, 2018, 03:53:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 16, 2018, 03:55:41 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 16, 2018, 04:06:32 pm
Also I'm disinclined to accept any offer that includes the words "accept its sweet silvery seed," but maybe it's because I have certain standards for my love poetry.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 16, 2018, 04:15:09 pm
Wot
Cydwyl Cyl's plotting on our vast tracts of land.
Still, B! Dynastic reunification as well as having a cool Empress, it's the best of both worlds!
Post by: Taricus on May 16, 2018, 04:27:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 16, 2018, 04:35:10 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 16, 2018, 04:42:21 pm
Much nearer our age. And double Lady Alissa's guard, just in case she finds out prematurely.
Post by: Prophet on May 16, 2018, 04:46:08 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 16, 2018, 05:42:14 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 16, 2018, 07:22:47 pm
He's got to learn to separate his politics and poetry. There's a chance he's not even the C we think he is.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 16, 2018, 07:32:11 pm
A
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 16, 2018, 07:54:47 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 16, 2018, 08:00:16 pm
BUT, Rinilda's still heir anyway. But maybe we can have a son to marry her off to or something. Look, the rules are different for royalty, okay?
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 16, 2018, 09:45:56 pm
AAh, the von Habsburg strategy to marriage, might I remind you how that ended?
BUT, Rinilda's still heir anyway. But maybe we can have a son to marry her off to or something. Look, the rules are different for royalty, okay?
Post by: omada on May 16, 2018, 09:48:54 pm
he will become KING of Cydwyl
and we can make the two lands join, the empress of methiant and king of cydwyl, whose kid will rule both lands as one
A ask directly if it's Cyl of cydwyl, and if so he should send a formal marriage proposal for us to accept
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 16, 2018, 10:31:01 pm
And if it's not Cyl we can say always say no during the wedding day and go to war somewhere.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 16, 2018, 11:37:05 pm
Ah, the von Habsburg strategy to marriage, might I remind you how that ended?It's basically harmless if you only do it once!
Post by: Haspen on May 17, 2018, 12:07:06 am
aaaaaaaa
bbbbbbbb
Noooooo XV
Post by: Rockeater on May 17, 2018, 12:13:53 am
Lemme count it up...They are back, the ties are back!!
aaaaaaaa
bbbbbbbb
Noooooo XV
Post by: birdy51 on May 17, 2018, 12:27:15 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 17, 2018, 02:44:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 17, 2018, 03:15:37 pm
B
Post by: Baffler on May 17, 2018, 03:56:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 10:44:54 am
"I was given this letter by someone who said he was in employ of Prince Cyl of Cydwyl! I was given twenty silver back then and twenty extra if I bring a reply! That's all I know! I swere on me mum!" There's also a possibility this could be a hostile act of sabotage! You decide to...
A) Stall the reply while your spies run north to do some check-ups.
B) Accept the offer.
C) Decline the offer, and send spies to find out the truth.
D) Decline the offer.
Post by: Rockeater on May 18, 2018, 10:48:03 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 18, 2018, 10:48:43 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 18, 2018, 10:51:04 am
Okay, less convinced now.
(although I would like a spying option of some kind to check whether this is a genuine proposal or no)
Post by: Criptfeind on May 18, 2018, 10:54:21 am
We already have a heir, making this not work unless she dies or is disinterested.
Also we've already strained relations with the north by fucking around with their succession... Lets just... Try to make friends with them again? Then we can try to legit marry in and unite in good standing instead of all this skulking around.
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 11:19:05 am
B
Okay, less convinced now.
(although I would like a spying option of some kind to check whether this is a genuine proposal or no)
Hmmm, fine ;vc
EDIT: Options expanded to get some spyings going ;v
Post by: Criptfeind on May 18, 2018, 11:28:02 am
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 11:30:16 am
Does Erik (I think that's the name of their king and our Uncle in law right?) have a heir we can marry Rinilda too instead? That seems like a more legit way to go about this, and they'd first cousins once removed, which is sorta on the edge of the incesty line, but it's probably okay every once in a while.
You guys already spurned Lady Alissa and her kids at least twice, good luck getting Cydwyl thru them v;
Post by: Criptfeind on May 18, 2018, 11:32:17 am
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 11:34:20 am
Who is Lady Alissa? The damn family line is getting too complicated to keep track of >.>
That's why I posted all of it during the Succession Council you dumbiscuit V:<
Post by: mightymushroom on May 18, 2018, 11:38:20 am
Maybe if Lady Alissa had enough patience to wait for Rinilda instead of trying to marry Empress Ruberta ... but that opportunity is gone.
Lady Alissa is Erik's widow, she showed up as an exile with their kids, they live in our palace but we didn't press their claim for the throne.
Family tree reference. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7759690#msg7759690)
I should remember to bookmark this instead of paging back.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 18, 2018, 11:51:09 am
Let's make some goddamn contact here!
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 18, 2018, 11:55:07 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 18, 2018, 11:57:58 am
Who is Lady Alissa? The damn family line is getting too complicated to keep track of >.>
You know the lady we were knitting with and asked us to marry her son? Yeah. That was an option for personal union which is why it was so close.
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 12:02:01 pm
Nowadays I'm simply wondering not if but when Methiant collapses after being stupid one time too many >.>
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 18, 2018, 12:03:48 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 18, 2018, 12:07:33 pm
I mean we have a decent income, happy people, pro army ... of course we're gonna enrage our neighbors till we're attacked on three sides. We need to challenge ourselves! :P
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 18, 2018, 12:11:42 pm
...Ya know I don't want to be a doomsayer, but I have to say that you guys are almost consistently alienating/annoying both your neighbours and your dynastic partners will all this paranoia of yours.
Nowadays I'm simply wondering not if but when Methiant collapses after being stupid one time too many >.>
Listen, we were delivered a marriage proposal shrouded in metaphor, notionally from the Crown Prince of Cydwyl, delivered by some numpty for twenty silver who under duress could swear on his mum that he'd spoken to a guy who said he worked for the Prince. Not really the kind of opportunity an empress ought to jump for, exactly, at least not without further investigation. Consider it our own way of delivering a reply!
Besides, with how awful that bit of prose poetry was, I wouldn't be broken up if we did miss out.
Post by: omada on May 18, 2018, 12:33:49 pm
We of course can make sure in our letter that we will accept if he is Cyl of Cydwyl
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 18, 2018, 12:39:53 pm
...Ya know I don't want to be a doomsayer, but I have to say that you guys are almost consistently alienating/annoying both your neighbours and your dynastic partners will all this paranoia of yours.I'm curious. Has our paranoia ever actually caused you to decide that something should be fake when it was originally meant to be real? Because I sometimes get that impression.
Nowadays I'm simply wondering not if but when Methiant collapses after being stupid one time too many >.>
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 18, 2018, 12:45:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 12:47:52 pm
:P
You accomodate the youth with a nice bedroom and all the foods while your spies run errands in the north.
1173 AD, Late Winter
The messenger is fidgety about stalling for so long but fortunately your spies return.
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They've gathered plenty of information about Cyl; he is a staunch Pantheonist and believes that Pantheonist nations should stay together. Furthermore, he has been always a bit jaded about the alliance between Cydwyl and Methiant getting worse as of late. This is a point of contention between him and King Estjald, but thanks to his skills he managed to wriggle himself into position of a heir (apparently the Methiantese fiasco about Lady Alissa and her kids helped him greatly). According to what your agents gathered, he is very much interested in reconciliation with Methiant, but no one knows his detailed plans as he keeps himself surrounded only by few most loyal courtiers and advisors.
It's about time you send the reply to the mysterious letter.
A) C of C shall be my second husband, I swere it on me mum, Tuna!
B) This mysterious letter is too mysterious for me, unfortunately!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 18, 2018, 12:51:25 pm
Lets do this!
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 18, 2018, 12:51:56 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 18, 2018, 12:52:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 18, 2018, 12:56:46 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 18, 2018, 12:57:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 18, 2018, 12:59:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 18, 2018, 01:18:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 01:43:46 pm
You write a reply in which you mention that a certain southern doe would very much like to form an union of love with a certain blossom dwelling on the northern grasslands.
1173 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor sniffs into his robe's cuff as he presents you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 10!
Population: 5
Economy: 9
Army: 9!
Imp.Authority: 0
"My lady Empress, the Empire is faring better than any time in its history. The people cheer at your noble and splendid rule, and various village elders and city administrators and noblemen have gathered enough money to reward the dynasty with a gift! They're so ecstatic that a refusal to accept the gift would be a great affront to them."
A) I will accept if they sponsor a fine bronze sculpture of my noble personage!
B) To the Treasury with their money, then! We will spend it wisely somewhere in the future!
C) And that money will be used to give to the poor and needy, to keep all my subjects extra happy!
"Our Economy is working splendidly and the Treasury is filled with coinage. Even the Treasurer believes that such a massive wealth shouldn't simply sit in the palatial coffers and gather mold! What shall we spend it on?"
A) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
B) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
C) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
D) Donate to the poor and the needy to show off your generosity.
E) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
F) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
"Also, the Army has been bolstered with thousands of new recruits who were lured by promises of glory and money! The officers are in agreement that its prime opportunity to go on some conquests!"
A) Nah, we must keep the peace.
C) They shall conquer Lametania for me!
D) They shall kick Cydwyls in the face!
E) They shall avenge our losses against Rucus!
F) They shall seek glory against Gubta!
"The Authority of the Office of the Empress of Methiant is far from the low point, thanks to your wise rule, the efforts of the Statesmen and the magical aura of your Crown. Would that be a good moment to issue an Edict?"
A) Nay!
B) Yea!
//This is quadruple vote, so remember to post no split/incomplete votes as they will be ignored.
Another achievement reached, a 10 in Happiness, which results in a gift from your happy subjects!
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 18, 2018, 01:45:55 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 18, 2018, 01:47:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 18, 2018, 01:50:02 pm
Lets hire a sorceress to unlock the secrets of Orc World for us.
Post by: Rockeater on May 18, 2018, 01:52:18 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 18, 2018, 02:03:16 pm
Who is Lady Alissa? The damn family line is getting too complicated to keep track of >.>
That's why I posted all of it during the Succession Council you dumbiscuit V:<
Ah, I see, the blue dot to blue dot connection wasn't clear I figured they just stood in for unnamed or unknown persons.
...Ya know I don't want to be a doomsayer, but I have to say that you guys are almost consistently alienating/annoying both your neighbours and your dynastic partners will all this paranoia of yours.
Nowadays I'm simply wondering not if but when Methiant collapses after being stupid one time too many >.>
??? What have we actually done? Turned down a few marriage proposals? Not offered unasked for help in a war? We're not being particularly friendly with our neighbors, that's true, but it's not like they are constantly (or ever) taking the initiative in positive acts either.
AFAB
Lets create the calendar of festivities.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 18, 2018, 02:05:52 pm
Double statues all the way across the sky!
...
okay, okay, that's probably a dumb idea, so my real vote is AAAB :P
Post by: helmacon on May 18, 2018, 02:08:05 pm
I think high happiness gives us a better chance of increasing authority.
Also, when does that settlement program we have been funding kick in and increase our pop?
Post by: Fluffe9911 on May 18, 2018, 02:11:08 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 18, 2018, 02:11:53 pm
I have a theory.
I think high happiness gives us a better chance of increasing authority.
Also, when does that settlement program we have been funding kick in and increase our pop?
Authority gets lowered if any of your stats drop below 4, was it? So yes, technically a better chance.
Also, was gonna say. Settlement policy has done literally one thing in the what,
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 18, 2018, 02:12:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 18, 2018, 02:13:55 pm
AEAB seems sensible. We have so much goddamn income we might as well add a bit of juice to the army for a rainy day.Yeah, I very much want that as well. There are too many things that we need to spend money on!
Also, since we seem to have overcome Methiant's longstanding fear of female rulers, and have a female heir, I wonder if we could get an edict to establish a matriarchy now. :P I'm not sure we'd want to, but it'd be pretty funny.
Post by: Haspen on May 18, 2018, 02:16:30 pm
Wait, we can attack the Eldricans? Shouldn't Ruberta be against attacking her own family?
Good point, striked out instead of removing to keep votes intact v;
Also, was gonna say. Settlement policy has done literally one thing in the what,20actually 15 years it's been instated?
It's settlement policy, not immigration/breeding policy. It's to expand Methiant territory into unclaimed lands on steady basis :P
Post by: Kashyyk on May 18, 2018, 02:21:59 pm
Post by: omada on May 18, 2018, 02:36:36 pm
Hmmm, didn't you said it attracted more immigrants and increases population steadily until it reaches 8 points?Also, was gonna say. Settlement policy has done literally one thing in the what,20actually 15 years it's been instated?
It's settlement policy, not immigration/breeding policy. It's to expand Methiant territory into unclaimed lands on steady basis :P
1. Both. People migrate much more into the country, slowly but steadily bringing the Population to 8, so you no longer need a chain of conquests, good harvests and festivals to bump it up.
CFFB
Let's send an lavish gift against gutba and attack them at the same time
it's mad king time
just kidding
CFAA
let's or get better relations with gutba and try to get that sweet spice back here
or get better relations with albionese pirates again and get that fur trade route back
Post by: Prophet on May 18, 2018, 02:42:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 18, 2018, 02:48:15 pm
If we throw them some money, and are no longer the leader who insulted them by turning down their various generous offers over the years, they might offer us Steel or Fireblood fixings again in the future, and we can likely afford such deals now.
As for Gupta, I see them as an eventual military target. They were weak enough for Parsia to bully at the same point and time that Parsia was no match for us. We can take their land, and gain their shit for free, while also increasing our influence over Parsia by controlling two of their neighbors.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 18, 2018, 02:57:26 pm
Settlement is a long term policy but does not cost us much if its not doing something.
We should do calendar of festivals then when our authority goes up do the religious tolerance, but keep Panthesism as the state religion. Although that might get in the way of our marriage plans now.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 18, 2018, 03:08:42 pm
I think it's time to raise the army considering the size of the neighbors.
Does the department of Cartography cost anything extra or is it melded into our diplomats+university?
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 18, 2018, 04:09:20 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 18, 2018, 04:40:41 pm
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 18, 2018, 04:41:43 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 19, 2018, 12:02:54 am
Post by: Haspen on May 19, 2018, 03:02:25 am
1174 AD, Spring
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Treasury gets bigger thanks to the profits from silver wares.
1174 AD, Mid-Spring
As you finish your embroidery on Rinilda's tunic, one of the palace guards knocks on the door.
"My lady Empress, there's another messenger from the north who has a message from you."
"Is it the same one as before?"
"No, it's some other boy."
A) Let him in.
B) Turn him away.
Post by: ZBridges on May 19, 2018, 03:06:01 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 19, 2018, 03:29:45 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 19, 2018, 04:32:53 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 19, 2018, 06:22:19 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 19, 2018, 06:40:22 am
Post by: helmacon on May 19, 2018, 06:42:11 am
Post by: Imic on May 19, 2018, 09:24:48 am
A, I suppose.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 19, 2018, 09:47:51 am
Post by: Haspen on May 19, 2018, 10:38:55 am
"The northern blossom is soaring in excitement, knowing that southern doe has accepted his proposal.
But there are risks involved in the union of north and south, and there are many of fellow blossoms that would rather find a doe further north rather than south. Yet the doe and the blossom need to meet under the moonlit sky to finally exchange words, muzzle to petals, before the tree that supports the north rots to the core completely and the youthful blossom takes his place.
Bards sing that the first night of the Summer is the best night for lovers to meet. And meet they could in the pine glades in southernly direction from the renowned lake of two fish, just at the border between south and north. The doe is invited to bring a couple of loyal stags, because the blossom will sure be waiting with few thorny bushes of his own.
And the blossom hopes that the doe shall spend no time on reply, for the time is short.
C of C."
A) A secret meeting of two potential lovers, far from prying eyes of the court! So exciting!
B) Oh yes, let's meet in middle of nowhere with just few guards each, what could go wrong?
C) First of all, let me get my prodding stick and get some answers from the delivery boy.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 19, 2018, 11:02:43 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 19, 2018, 11:04:53 am
Because if we go the secret marriage route let's commit ourselves.
(Not that I mind C first.)
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 19, 2018, 11:07:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 19, 2018, 11:07:53 am
With the knowledge of our high happiness, if they did do something to us it would spark a national incident that would all but invite us to bowl them over.
Post by: Rockeater on May 19, 2018, 11:11:33 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 19, 2018, 11:30:59 am
Post by: helmacon on May 19, 2018, 11:31:08 am
Post by: Haspen on May 19, 2018, 11:54:57 am
This messenger, like the other, only babbles that he was hired by some guy hired by Cyl of Cydwyl to deliver this message and bring back a reply to get extra payment.
A) Well, the guy's committed, and so shall I!
B) Eh, I'm sure better husbands are out there.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 19, 2018, 12:00:13 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 19, 2018, 12:01:12 pm
Fuck it, let's see where this leads.
Post by: birdy51 on May 19, 2018, 12:01:49 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 19, 2018, 12:15:42 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 19, 2018, 12:24:19 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 19, 2018, 12:58:56 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 19, 2018, 01:01:04 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 19, 2018, 01:41:16 pm
Hopefully this is the kind of set-up we're expecting and not some elaborate assassination plot by Lady Alissa.
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 19, 2018, 04:23:29 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on May 19, 2018, 05:31:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 19, 2018, 07:19:22 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 19, 2018, 07:23:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 04:49:03 am
1173 AD, Late Spring
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The fickle, rainy weather has caused you to fall ill. Fever, coughing and general weakness of muscle plagues you all the time.
1173 AD, Five days later
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Despite the healers' efforts, the sickness lingers and clings to your body like an unwanted creep.
Lady Alissa comes with a visit; she has brought you a basket of dark blue flowers and some weeds and roots.
"Tatanias, dahnian nettle and rockparsley." She says, setting the basket on the table by your bed as you sit up.
"Trust me, a brew from the flowers and a soup from the nettle and parsley, and you will be up on your legs in five days." The healers murmur with each other, and then they tell you what they think.
"Our lady Empress, we know of apparent healing properties of northern herbs, but we would rather have you stay with southern cuisine and imbibe our medicinal tinctures and elixirs instead." Lady Alissa harrumphs toward your staff. You trust your healers and you trust your distant relative, and while your kitchen matrons are doing the best they can as well, you can't help but have a craving for something else than fruit and oatmeal for every meal...
A) Flower tea and weed soup is what my body needs.
B) Refined medicine is best medicine, so sayeth pharmacists.
C) Hmm, Both? Both (both). Both is good.
Post by: Taricus on May 20, 2018, 04:51:14 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 04:57:52 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 20, 2018, 05:31:32 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 20, 2018, 05:33:31 am
Post by: helmacon on May 20, 2018, 05:37:33 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 20, 2018, 06:56:33 am
A
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 08:42:34 am
Lets try to repair relationships with the north yeah?
I'm not sure taking herbalism advice from our courtier whose second-most hated enemy we plan to marry helps with that in any way?
Post by: Rockeater on May 20, 2018, 08:58:51 am
Have to agree BLets try to repair relationships with the north yeah?
I'm not sure taking herbalism advice from our courtier whose second-most hated enemy we plan to marry helps with that in any way?
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 10:02:36 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 20, 2018, 10:34:19 am
Post by: omada on May 20, 2018, 11:09:41 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 20, 2018, 11:28:47 am
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 12:28:25 pm
bbbbbb
ccc
Also why nobody pointed out we're in wrong year again V:
You decide to stick to local medicine and wisdom of your healers.
1174 AD, Five days afterwards
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You stretch and open up the curtains, letting some sunrays and fresh air into your room. You feel like a newborn! Your healers really know their stuff.
1174 AD, Summer
It is the first night of Summer. The thick crescent moon shines high above the cloudless sky, and myriad of stars glitter up there, as if trying to make the incoming situation even more romantic.
Eight guards come on your side, and two are sent forward to seek out anyone under employ of 'C of C'. They departed into the darkness, between the bushes and trees surrounding the lake.
The flat surface of the lake reflects the moon nicely, you have to agree. Soon hwoever your observations of the Daisk Lake come to an end, because the two guards bring two men with them.
When brought before you, they look up at you and smile politely.
"Greetings. Our master, a certain northern blossom, awaits you at the shore of the lake, some moments away from here. We've been ordered to bring you to him, southern doe, because he wishes to speak with you in privacy. Of course, for parity, two of your men can come as well."
A) "He will come before his doe, or his doe will return to her home."
B) "My stags will come along in numbers, to ensure my safety."
C) "Fine then, I accept these terms. Lead me to the 'C of C', now."
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 12:35:09 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 20, 2018, 12:36:14 pm
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Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 12:49:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 12:56:30 pm
Finally, you reach your destination. A tall man is standing by a large flat stone. The two guards who brought you here remain behind, and your two guards remain after you nod at them.
As you walk closer to the man, you notice more about him. He is dressed in a cloak. As you approach, he bows deeply.
"Greetings, my southern doe! I am your northern blossom. I am Cyl of Cydwyl. Would you care for a small walk by the shore of the lake? There's much I would like to tell you." Reluctantly, you agree to this also.
"Or am I too demanding?" Cyl asks barely few steps into the walk.
A) "I would rather we discuss politics, especially our roles in the marriage and rulership."
B) "Why the secrecy? Are you afraid of your countrymen?"
C) "Please, tell me what you want to say first, I'm listening."
D) Remain silent.
E) "Yes, and that's why I've changed my mind!"
F) "Are you truly in love in me or is it a ploy to ensure the Cydwyls get a hold over Methiant?"
Post by: mightymushroom on May 20, 2018, 12:58:48 pm
Post by: omada on May 20, 2018, 01:00:31 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 01:03:54 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 20, 2018, 01:08:41 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 01:11:01 pm
. . . .
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 20, 2018, 01:16:54 pm
HE HAS MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF EXPLAINING TO DO WE TRUSTED HIM SO FING MUCH.
Post by: Imic on May 20, 2018, 01:19:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 01:21:09 pm
"I'm glad I can express myself first! I have to say, most people at my father's court paint you, well, most of Methiantese rulers, as some sort of demons of paranoia and arrogance. It is good to know that, upon meeting one myself, I can toss their accusations out of the window." He coughs.
"I would love to see Methiant and Cydwyl as one, some day. Our ancestors might've been distant, but since times of my greatgrandmother, Dogethe, they grew closer to each other. Those were times of glory and prosperity for both our nations, especially when both Emperor Cyl and my father, Cidric, were alive. But the recent incidents have, unfortunately, soured the relationship. That should be amended, before the noblemen in Cydwyl finally turn around and seek relations with Helliste, or Albionese pirates, or, Pantheon forbids, Agaresian savages. People of Cydwyl are people of forests and horses, not sea and trade! And when I heard that you're now alone, just like I have no spouse, what better idea could I come up with?"
He drops to his knees and takes your hand into his. Cyl's eyes are sparkling in the moonlight, and for a brief moment, you feel ashamed like a young maiden who is being wooed by a squire.
"Let us marry, and rule Methiant and Cydwyl together. Then, our child will inherit the thrones of both, truly sealing the relationship between our lands." From under his cloak, Cyl pulls out a little harp.
"To commemorate our meeting, and to proclaim my love to you, I even composed a little ballad, if you would wish to hear it?"
A) "Well, can't see any harm in a little musical spectacle."
B) "I would rather we discuss politics, especially about our marriage."
C) "Okay, this is too much, too fast. I'm leaving."
Post by: Kashyyk on May 20, 2018, 01:23:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 01:24:49 pm
This is fun!
Post by: helmacon on May 20, 2018, 01:26:49 pm
honestly... Wtf. But ok?
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 20, 2018, 01:28:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 20, 2018, 01:42:22 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 01:43:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 02:03:18 pm
This time, he does his lines well. The melody is a lovely one, peaceful and nicely composed.
In the ballad, he talks about unapproved love, love that conquers everything in the end. He speaks of a grand beauty for which a man would cross borders and overcome all obstacles if only to get a smallest glance of his beloved. A curse placed against him, a jealous and scheming princess, and wrath of powerful king weren't strong enough to stray the man from his goal. Finally, after many nights and hardships he succeeds, joining his lady in matrimony, the old adversaries cast away powerless.
The second part of the ballad then talks about the happy future of the lovers, who needed no one but themselves, and who ruled prosperously and justly over a vast nation of loyal and happy subjects.
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You can't resist his smile, his voice and his vile charms. You giggle like a child, casting your eyes away from his handsome face and twirling your hair in displays of faux shame and innocence.
You will marry this man, you know this! There is no one who would stop you from deciding otherwise. But you still must decide on his role in your relationship.
A) He will be my Emperor-Consort, ruling as King of Cydwyl.
B) He will be my co-Emperor, and together we shall rule!
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 20, 2018, 02:07:30 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 02:07:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 20, 2018, 02:07:56 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 20, 2018, 02:24:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 20, 2018, 02:28:40 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 20, 2018, 02:46:56 pm
If he should reject, just express 'too many cooks'.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 20, 2018, 02:56:59 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 03:12:34 pm
He seems happy with this decision.
"As it should be. If we were too hasty with merging, the noblemen of Cydwyl, who unlike those in Methiant have a considerable say in politics, could get uppity. And ruination is the last thing I wish to bring for my country."
"When shall we marry then?"
"Not that fast; I wish to become King first and Emperor second. My brother, Estjald, is a resilient man but the illness worsens his health by days, and some pessimistic healers at our court say he won't survive till Winter. Few months after his death, say, half a year mayhaps? It would be good time for us to become family."
A) "This won't do!"
B) "That is fine."
Post by: Weirdsound on May 20, 2018, 03:13:05 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 03:13:37 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 20, 2018, 03:13:51 pm
Righto
Post by: ZBridges on May 20, 2018, 03:13:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2018, 03:45:22 pm
You two then also agree to part ways; the Empire cannot be without its Empress, after all.
Few days after your return to Methe, you receive report on the goldwork sales.
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Them coins flowing into the Treasury, just not as many as your Treasurer would prefer.
1174 AD, Midsummer
A powerful Sorceress has arrived in Methe! Her name is Sirthara Starslayer, and she has come with an entourage of mystical, grotesque and definitely monstrous guards and servants.
Once the terrified guards open the gates, you can see each specie of the monsters by yourself; there's three four-armed pinkish humanoids taller than anyone else in your throne room by at least a head. Five green-scaled lizards, exhaling yellow-red smoke, walk behind them, and a throng of dark-blue goblinoids precede the Sorceress.
Sirthara Starslayer is riding a giant spider-man; upper torso of rather handsome, elfin-looking man is connected to hideous, pitch-black body of a spider covered in blood-red blotches and thick black hairs. Two giant snakes with golden scales and emerald eyes flank the spider and its rider.
As the Sorceress dismounts her spiderman-mount, you can see that her skin is reddish like autumn leaves, and her hair is as white as snow, with black streaks here and there. Her eyes sparkle with bits of blue-ish energy.
"I heard this little mortal realm has announced that it seeks services of a Sorceress. And so I am here! I am Sirthara Starslayer, Heiress of Heavenly Kingdom, Holder of the Banner of Six Planars, Moon-Embodied, Creator of Spire of Worlds and Sorceress Extraordinaire. You may dispense with your pleasantries, but your riches is all that interests me, little queen. Now tell me, what do you want of me?" ou explain that you're not sure what you can ask of her. She scoffs.
"Bah! I can make you smarter! Grant you immense powers! Conjure you a magical, fearsome beast! Think of something, little brain, I'm sure there's something a petty monarch like you desires."
You decide to ask for...
A) Ask for an artifact... (details to follow)
B) Ask for a spell that will scare fanciful creatures away from the kingdom's borders.
C) Ask for prosperity and growth for the Kingdom and its populace.
D) Ask for a mighty beast to be bound as your pet/mount/guardian/something like that.
E) Ask for wisdom about many things.
F) Ask for skills of elite battlemaster.
G) Ask for charisma and silvertongue.
H) Ask for endurance and better health.
I) -
J) Ask for a spell that will make your soldiers stronger.
K) Ask for health and prosperity for your family.
//There's many options, so no update till at least 10 people vote in v;
Post by: Kashyyk on May 20, 2018, 03:50:01 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2018, 03:51:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 20, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 20, 2018, 03:56:26 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 20, 2018, 03:56:45 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 20, 2018, 04:10:23 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 20, 2018, 04:25:02 pm
If we wanted an artefact, we should have commissioned the dwarves. A sorcerous artifact is not a great idea.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 20, 2018, 04:29:43 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 20, 2018, 04:32:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 20, 2018, 04:33:55 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 20, 2018, 04:38:00 pm
We have been low for a long while now. Any further, and we might just lose the nation.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 20, 2018, 04:44:21 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 20, 2018, 05:13:23 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 20, 2018, 06:01:13 pm
Cyl of Cydwyl is charismatic, I fear that if he starts bossing us around we'll be losing rolls. I mean, we didn't go to a secret rendezvous to not marry him but it would be nice to have a counter.
Or F to counter rebellious nobles.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 20, 2018, 06:02:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 20, 2018, 06:39:05 pm
D
provided it is a breedable creature
Post by: milo christiansen on May 20, 2018, 06:49:01 pm
Post by: omada on May 20, 2018, 09:57:07 pm
other boosts last longer
A) bring an artifact
B) good bye monsters
C) I don't know, but i think it's like the last boon we got but for the population
D) LET'S ASK FOR A BREEDABLE CREATURE, LET'S BREED SOMETHING MAGICAL COME ON PEOPLE
EFGHI is waste of money
J) another big boost to our troops
K) health boost and a big amount of kids for 3 generations
Post by: Prophet on May 20, 2018, 10:58:52 pm
Post by: Imic on May 21, 2018, 03:24:47 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 21, 2018, 03:33:28 am
And it certainly falls into the "potentially quite short lived" category, if it gets sent to war or gets into a fight, one bad roll probably kills it. And unlike a trait that buffs us, it's only point will be to be sent into dangerous situations, which we at least can try to avoid. An artifact is probably the better option in the same vein as a monster, it'll almost certainly last longer then a monster but fills the same role of giving a bonus in a certain situation. (Although a monster might be cooler)
Traits for ourselves ARE shortlived if we end up loosing our character, but they are otherwise the most powerful options, because most of the important rolls we make involve ourselves. And if we DO end up not stupidly wasting our characters or loosing them to some bullshit they can still last quite a while.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 21, 2018, 04:49:46 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 21, 2018, 06:01:51 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 21, 2018, 09:34:36 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on May 21, 2018, 10:34:39 am
Post by: Haspen on May 21, 2018, 10:36:43 am
My money's on the creature being unique but long lived, and also on it turning against the empire and needing to be put down the moment the current ruler dies.
;Vc
/me writes down ideas.
Post by: omada on May 21, 2018, 11:17:14 am
My money's on the creature being unique but long lived, and also on it turning against the empire and needing to be put down the moment the current ruler dies.
;Vc
/me writes down ideas.
shit
We can ASK for it being breedable, haspen is reading, we will probably ask about the creature to make sure she will not screw us
if it's not possible to ask for a breedable creature we can ask something else when we present other options
I mean, the empress is not wise, but she is not Dim-witted to yell "A MAGICAL CREATURE, GIVE ME A MAGICAL CREATURE" before asking about details
Then if we don't like we can choose something else.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 21, 2018, 11:31:12 am
Post by: Haspen on May 21, 2018, 11:42:28 am
cc
ddddddddd
ggggg
You ask for a magical creature, a monstrous guardian, a mystical being of immense power.
Sirthara looks at you thoughtfully, rubbing her chin, and then snaps her fingers. Suddenly, with roar of thunder, a magical beast appears!
It is a winged, silver-colored horse with eyes glowing like rubies and with a conical, spiral horn between its eyes. It's wings are akin that of a bat, but delicate and of same silver color as the horse. The horse has beautiful, sparkly, white mane and tail.
"A pegasus! Straight from different world, its wings allow it to fly for several hours non stop. Requires only one bundle of clover and one bucket of chilled water per day." She pats the horse on the head and strokes its horn gently.
"It's horn is made of pure crystal, and will shine your way should you decide to take a trip in the night." The sorceress pokes the horn, which shines with such brilliant light that few of your courtiers turn away, almost blinded.
"The eyes are made of living fire, and will incinerate your foes if you ever command the steed to do so. The fire blasts and sears, but does not burn, leaving you less of a mess than usual in your conquests!" Sirthara runs her hand over the steed's mane, and then lifts up some of its hair from its mane.
"And its silky yet durable hair grows long enough to be used as a bowstring. Better than any sinew your men would use! Satisfaction guaranteed."
Sirthara pats the horned horse and places her hands on her waist.
"Well, here is a magical beast. Does that please you, oh your Majesty?"
A) "I've changed my mind. How about... (pick one of previous options here)."
B) "This is a magnificent beast, and I will gladly accept it!"
C) "I'm not impressed. Can you give me some other beast, please?"
D) "This is terrible! I don't want the beast, and I don't want your services anymore either."
Post by: Weirdsound on May 21, 2018, 11:44:02 am
Lets not risk pissing off the magical demigod.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 21, 2018, 11:45:26 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 21, 2018, 11:52:15 am
Horsey!
Post by: omada on May 21, 2018, 11:52:34 am
Post by: Haspen on May 21, 2018, 11:53:37 am
E) Explendid creature do you have, but answer me this question, is this creature breedable? Will give me and my heirs better mounts on the long run?
Of course not, she's giving you one, not two.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 21, 2018, 11:55:36 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 21, 2018, 11:55:51 am
Of course not, she's giving you one, not two.
What, it can't reproduce by budding or fragmentation? What kind of cheap-ass magical beast is this?
... how about if it bites someone under a full moon?
Post by: omada on May 21, 2018, 12:02:27 pm
Of course not, she's giving you one, not two.
this already answer that we can get a second one and start a family
If i got it right strongly inclined to B and pray that we can get money fast enough to ask for a second one
if it breeds with regular horses I will be all in for B, semi-magical horned cavalry go
or just a special castrated and beautiful breed that we can sell to nobles
or both
Otherwise I will change for A-C or something
Post by: mightymushroom on May 21, 2018, 12:18:40 pm
"A pegasus! Straight from different world,Say, does that world happen have any orcs in it? Or portals that connect to one that does? Purely for curiosity's sake. :)
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 21, 2018, 12:32:43 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 21, 2018, 12:36:42 pm
E) Explendid creature do you have, but answer me this question, is this creature breedable? Will give me and my heirs better mounts on the long run?
Of course not, she's giving you one, not two.
What if we go full Pasiphaë?
Post by: Haspen on May 21, 2018, 12:38:37 pm
No, Draignean, bad V:<
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 21, 2018, 12:39:53 pm
Post by: Draignean on May 21, 2018, 12:41:48 pm
/me thwaps with rolled newspaper.
No, Draignean, bad V:<
Look, can you really read "Explendid creature do you have, but answer me this question, is this creature breedable? Will give me and my heirs better mounts on the long run?" without immediately slipping into a mental voice used for bad innuendo? Because I certainly can't.
Anyway, as asked earlier, what if we got it a really attractive horse?
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 21, 2018, 12:53:23 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 21, 2018, 01:18:03 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 21, 2018, 01:21:10 pm
One does not second-guess when negotiating with Sorceror's.
Also, horsey.
Post by: Prophet on May 21, 2018, 01:26:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 21, 2018, 01:30:27 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 21, 2018, 02:10:46 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on May 21, 2018, 02:43:31 pm
"Now, the demands I have for your wealth." Sirthara claps her hands and a scroll appears in your Treasurer's hands. After reading it, he wheezes and almost faints. The Advisor takes the scroll, reads it, and quickly moves to you, leaning down to whisper.
"My lady Empress, the money she demands will deprive us of wealth except for the paltry profits we have obtained from crafts sold this half-year! Tis a robbery, and she's a thief!"
"I'm not deaf you know, have some respect for my profession." The Sorceress rubs some pink stick against her lips while looking into a round disc of silver or something like that.
A) Refuse the deal.
B) Accept the demand.
C) Haggle for a lower price.
Post by: ZBridges on May 21, 2018, 02:46:23 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 21, 2018, 02:48:28 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 21, 2018, 02:55:15 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 21, 2018, 03:39:20 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 21, 2018, 03:47:04 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on May 21, 2018, 03:48:39 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 21, 2018, 03:55:05 pm
Post by: omada on May 21, 2018, 04:02:33 pm
it can go very poorly
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 21, 2018, 04:18:17 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 21, 2018, 04:51:08 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 21, 2018, 05:06:17 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 21, 2018, 05:43:35 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 21, 2018, 06:29:52 pm
Post by: omada on May 21, 2018, 08:29:30 pm
C, maybe we can make two separate payments so as not to bankrupt us in one year. Sorceress should get the idea of government backed loan deals.
Oh.. good idea, she can even stay and get half of our valuables on the course of the year until we pay everything to her, can we have a D?
Post by: Baffler on May 21, 2018, 08:51:29 pm
Post by: Imic on May 22, 2018, 01:02:28 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 22, 2018, 08:48:03 am
B
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2018, 10:27:35 am
ccc
You accept the Sorceress' demand. She laughs and then is led to the Treasury, which she drains almost completely of wealth, not being picky about even smallest of gemstones. Only some money from this year's trades remain.
Few days later you receive a report that the horse seems very much at home in the royal stables, responds calmly to stableboys and quietly noms its fooder and water.
1174 AD, Autumn
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Springwine sales do rather well.
Unfortunately, someone has come to lodge in complaints. A Rucusian diplomat has arrived.
He gets to the point rather fast; while your merchants are bringing goldwork and coming back with Rucusian cash, the Rucusian merchants trying to make money in Methiant are in bad luck. Your Commission is making sure that best deals and profits are for your merchants, while foreigners have trouble peddling their wares in the Empire. More often than not Rucusian traders return home with empty pockets.
The High Commissioner simply shrugs at the accusations. "Our noble organization was conceived to protect interests of Methiantese merchants and the State, not promote equal rights and fair trade. We're simply doing our job!"
A) What he said!
B) We're messing up with our neighbours? Decomission the Comission at once!
C) I think there will be nothing wrong if we give Rucusian merchants some tax exempt or something, right?
Post by: birdy51 on May 22, 2018, 10:32:12 am
We're making money, but it's been expressed to be causing us potential issues with diplomacy and inflation. This might help a bit.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 22, 2018, 10:33:16 am
Court the south! Exclusive trading rights!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 22, 2018, 10:35:41 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 22, 2018, 10:35:52 am
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2018, 10:49:57 am
1174 AD, Winter
Silver and gold bullion is brought to the Treasury, as well as gemstones.
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Glasswork failed to bring any profits.
1174 AD, Midwinter
The High Commissioner of Trade has arrived to speak with you.
"My lady Empress, we have devised a new taxation scheme for market workers and traders from abroad. By using this scheme, we will be able to gain profits from merely having our markets open for foreigners. Unfortunately, this will require revocation of priviledges to Rucus, as well as turning deaf ear to any new complaints that might come."
A) Cutthroat trade politics? And I get money? Sure thing!
B) No, we can't profit on the expense of others!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 22, 2018, 10:52:10 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 22, 2018, 10:54:58 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 22, 2018, 10:58:29 am
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2018, 11:02:18 am
Post by: Taricus on May 22, 2018, 11:05:40 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 22, 2018, 11:08:18 am
A, we can lower the tax rate for Rucus later again.It doesn't sound like we could
Post by: Criptfeind on May 22, 2018, 11:21:22 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 22, 2018, 11:35:48 am
B
Though I guess you can write it up as an Edict and we'll consider it in our list of reforms to consider.
Post by: Baffler on May 22, 2018, 12:29:58 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 22, 2018, 01:27:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2018, 01:58:30 pm
1174 AD, Late Winter
The censuses are in; many new peoples were born and settled in Methiant (especially the wild north)! The amount of households that were filled with men and women and children pleases tax collectors especially, because tax will again amount to something in yearly budget ledgers.
1174 AD, End of the Year
Another year, another time to read the Scrolls.
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Happiness: 7
Population: 6
Economy: 4
Army: 9!
Imp.Authority: +1
"Lady Empress, Methiant is doing fine, and your Authority is quite high. A prime time to issue an Edict?"
A) "But of course!"
B) "Not just yet."
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 22, 2018, 01:59:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 22, 2018, 02:00:37 pm
Seems like a good time.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 22, 2018, 02:01:10 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 22, 2018, 02:09:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 22, 2018, 02:13:41 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 22, 2018, 02:20:39 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 22, 2018, 02:20:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 22, 2018, 02:23:48 pm
A Is it just me or lucky is pretty powerful trait?
I think all the traits are pretty powerful, except perhaps Wise. Methiant has clearly done best under lucky rulers though.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 22, 2018, 02:26:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 22, 2018, 02:30:15 pm
Spoiler: The Map of Local Cultures and their Influence on Neighbours (click to show/hide)
Size of font determines how influential the culture is; how much neighbours are modeling themselves after that culture and how far it spreads (even beyond borders or lingers in previously owned areas).
As you can see, Damdamians are pretty homogenous, so are Parsians and Gubtans. Dahnians are influencing Hellistes and even your borderlands, while Kiwis still proudly wear their traditions and ways of life on their sleeves even if the tiny Eldrican peoples grew to be their overlords. Tirines on other hand are very mixed-in; Kiwi are their 'natural' culture but many nomads live amongst them and they took on various topics related to horses. Tavlak is Tavlak because no one dares to imprint anything on Tavlak, it's safer that way.
As for Methiant, you guys are very culturally fragmented and weak; peoples take ideas from outside rather than making their own, its been generations since conquests of Ceodwell and Felonsein but their cultural bonds are still strong and even the long defunct Tven has its cultural styles alive in northern Methiant. Heck, you can't even make Evalians abandon their Lametanian heritage and become Methiantese proper.
While others are advancing in architecture and arts and literature, your subjects are still most illiterate, are copying old art masters and most of big books is scribbled by guys living in temples or libraries. I guess that's the price one has to pay for being military giant with all progress being done in direction of gunpowder and gunpowder alone :P
MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Endorse State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Establish Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
Establish Religion Tax: (once in effect: 1154 - 1172 AD)
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 22, 2018, 02:33:50 pm
Cyl was the most accomplished ruler and had the lucky trait, but unless the lucky trait was helping behind the scene these two facts were mostly unrelated, and we'd have been better off with a charismatic man in his place and Cyl did good despite, not because of, his trait.
I hope the royal house of learning helps with that knowledge situation...
I'm going to vote for Establish Calendar of Festivities
Happy population will help us against the issues we've had in the past.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 22, 2018, 02:34:11 pm
Nationhood begins at home. Get some today! Let's see if we can get a cultural leg up with humanism.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 22, 2018, 02:38:04 pm
State Patronage of the Arts - Lets get our culture on
Post by: birdy51 on May 22, 2018, 02:38:33 pm
I do like me some culture.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 22, 2018, 02:39:03 pm
As for Methiant, you guys are very culturally fragmented and weak; peoples take ideas from outside rather than making their own, its been generations since conquests of Ceodwell and Felonsein but their cultural bonds are still strong and even the long defunct Tven has its cultural styles alive in northern Methiant. Heck, you can't even make Evalians abandon their Lametanian heritage and become Methiantese proper.
While others are advancing in architecture and arts and literature, your subjects are still most illiterate, are copying old art masters and most of big books is scribbled by guys living in temples or libraries. I guess that's the price one has to pay for being military giant with all progress being done in direction of gunpowder and gunpowder alone :P
What purpose does our royal house of learning serve? I don't remember telling them to focus on Gunpowder and Gunpowder alone, did we?
I'm going to vote for Establish Calendar of Festivities
Happy population will help us against the issues we've had in the past.
I think most of the issues we had in the past were due to our conquests and our religion tax. Now we have so many luxury trade goods, it seems as if at least one is boosting happiness every year.
If Haspen says our culture could use improvement, I'm all for Endorse State Patronage of Arts.
Post by: Baffler on May 22, 2018, 02:39:20 pm
We'll promote our peoples' cultures by promoting their local celebrations and traditions. Methiant has been reasonably successful as a pluralistic society, and I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to suppress local custom in the name of national homogeneity. The Patronage of the Arts is tempting but I think this should come first.
Post by: ZBridges on May 22, 2018, 02:42:12 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 22, 2018, 02:43:22 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 22, 2018, 02:43:45 pm
Endow some Patronage of the Arts.
Then, and only then when we start establishing ourselves as a single nation united in culture, we can more strongly consider the Bill of Rights. After all, rights should inspire patriotism but right now it'd only be used by separatists.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 22, 2018, 02:43:52 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 22, 2018, 02:44:07 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 22, 2018, 02:53:15 pm
Post by: omada on May 22, 2018, 03:57:42 pm
and maybe our gold and silverworks increase their value
maybe together with the house of learning we can ensure our population has an golden age
Post by: helmacon on May 22, 2018, 04:07:45 pm
anyways;
Establish patronage of arts
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 22, 2018, 04:15:01 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 22, 2018, 04:30:34 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 22, 2018, 05:23:44 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 22, 2018, 05:29:22 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 22, 2018, 05:34:07 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 22, 2018, 05:35:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 22, 2018, 05:54:48 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 22, 2018, 05:58:40 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 22, 2018, 06:02:47 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 22, 2018, 06:34:12 pm
The clergy has never had any innate authority over the people anyways. That's *our* advantage.
Post by: Prophet on May 22, 2018, 06:47:17 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 22, 2018, 07:08:00 pm
Continuing it right now is only a good way of stabbing our own backs.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 22, 2018, 07:19:27 pm
I think we should give it at least a couple of decades. Wait for some events to pop up naturally that'll weaken their hold. A heresy dividing them or something like that. Then we can start to push back and towards equality.
Not that that's either here nor there. The bill of rights looks to be a very basic edition, probably mostly just standardizing laws that already exist. I doubt it'll suddenly proclaim religious freedom or weaken Panthonists hold.
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 22, 2018, 07:22:15 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on May 22, 2018, 07:51:39 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 22, 2018, 08:04:06 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 22, 2018, 08:06:23 pm
But letting the bill of rights win is even worse.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 22, 2018, 11:07:45 pm
Post by: Imic on May 23, 2018, 12:17:19 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 23, 2018, 07:26:48 am
No rights for the plebians, what a disgusting concept
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2018, 11:38:52 am
bill bill bill bill bill bill bill = 7
state state state state state state state state state state state = 11
no no = 2
You decide to get them artists sponsored by the State!
1175 AD, Spring
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Silverwork sold locally brought great profits to the Treasury!
Two groups want to meet with you; one is the scholars of the Royal House of Learning, the other are some aspiring sculptors and jewellers. Both want the same; supply of glass and gemstones for their new projects, and both are in limited quantities, not to mention that you hold trading rights for them.
A) They want my money! Shoo them away!
B) Science before art!
C) Art before science!
Post by: crazyabe on May 23, 2018, 11:40:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on May 23, 2018, 11:41:47 am
B
Post by: Rockeater on May 23, 2018, 11:42:40 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 23, 2018, 11:43:56 am
C
Post by: Taricus on May 23, 2018, 11:48:20 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 23, 2018, 11:50:41 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 23, 2018, 11:58:17 am
Post by: Prophet on May 23, 2018, 11:59:28 am
Post by: milo christiansen on May 23, 2018, 12:01:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 23, 2018, 12:04:07 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 23, 2018, 12:04:56 pm
Optics for telescopes of course
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2018, 12:16:45 pm
B
Optics for telescopes of course
Suggestion: Now would be a good time to invest money towards expanding our glassworks. Increasing glass production so that both our artists and scientists have a supply should be well within our means.
If that is not an option, B. We just gave the artists an edict.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 23, 2018, 12:29:04 pm
Post by: omada on May 23, 2018, 12:32:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 23, 2018, 12:38:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 23, 2018, 02:58:33 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 23, 2018, 04:33:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 23, 2018, 04:40:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 24, 2018, 11:16:09 am
"Greetings, Empress Ruberta!" Their delegates, all with beards of varying lengths, bow their heads in respect. "We have begun an ambitious project to determine whether the Pantheonist books about stars and heavens are correct. There are just enough discrepancies in calculations that we cannot help but question the mechanics of the night skies. For this, we wish to create large instruments that will allow us to see further into the skies by use of lenses. For this, we need gemstones of best quality as well as dedicated glassworks that would be able to provide us with materials."
"We would place orders on the glassworks every few yearss, and would only take clearest and largest of gemstones per year."
A) Of course we will provide! For science!
B) You're asking for too much. Shoo!
C) Oh, I can sell you these if you want. But no freebies.
D) Interesting! Tell me more about your 'celestial mechanics'!
Post by: Rockeater on May 24, 2018, 11:17:36 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 24, 2018, 11:19:50 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 24, 2018, 11:32:58 am
I like the idea of selling to them. This sounds like fairly advanced science for the setting, it probably wouldn't slow us too much to spend the university budget on supplies instead of experiments every few years. (For comparison it feels like the Fireblood experimenters can take decades to get anywhere meaningful.)
Post by: Imic on May 24, 2018, 11:39:06 am
Speaking of which, how long has it been since we've gotten anything meaningful from the fireblood factories?
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2018, 11:39:46 am
Post by: crazyabe on May 24, 2018, 11:46:32 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 24, 2018, 11:53:41 am
D
Speaking of which, how long has it been since we've gotten anything meaningful from the fireblood factories?
We get a maintained and heavily armed military-industrial complex that supplies us with munitions for our soldiers.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 24, 2018, 12:00:22 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 24, 2018, 12:41:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2018, 01:44:59 pm
I'm actually a bit leery about this project. Seems like a good way to anger the Pantheonists and have them show up to demand that we revoke our House of Scholarship Edict, and if we have a Charismatic Pantheonist husband at the time, he might not allow us to say no.
Still, no harm in hearing them out.
Post by: milo christiansen on May 24, 2018, 02:24:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2018, 02:31:48 pm
D, followed by whatever option is most likely to piss of the Pantheonists.
If we want to piss off the Pantheonists, it shouldn't be over something petty like the stars.
C of C seems to be a devout Pantheonist, and because of his Charismatic trait he might be able to push us around once we are married, so any plan against them needs to at the very least account for him. My idea is to convince our future husband that his ancestors Cyl and Doggeth both deserve to be recognized as gods, and when/if the clergy refuse, we go full Henry VIII, start beheading clergy, and make ourselves head of the church.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 24, 2018, 02:35:15 pm
C of C seems to be a devout Pantheonist, and because of his Charismatic trait he might be able to push us around once we are married, so any plan against them needs to at the very least account for him. My idea is to convince our future husband that his ancestors Cyl and Doggeth both deserve to be recognized as gods, and when/if the clergy refuse, we go full Henry VIII, start beheading clergy, and make ourselves head of the church.
I don't think being a staunch Pantheonist is necessarily the same thing as being a devout Pantheonist, similarly to how you would definitely describe Cesare Borgia as Catholic but almost certainly not as having a terribly large amount of Christ in his heart.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 24, 2018, 02:42:31 pm
C of C seems to be a devout Pantheonist, and because of his Charismatic trait he might be able to push us around once we are married, so any plan against them needs to at the very least account for him. My idea is to convince our future husband that his ancestors Cyl and Doggeth both deserve to be recognized as gods, and when/if the clergy refuse, we go full Henry VIII, start beheading clergy, and make ourselves head of the church.
I don't think being a staunch Pantheonist is necessarily the same thing as being a devout Pantheonist, similarly to how you would definitely describe Cesare Borgia as Catholic but almost certainly not as having a terribly large amount of Christ in his heart.
Sure. But we don't know for sure one way or the other. Until we know where his head is at on the matter we shouldn't be doing things that may make the Pantheonists come back to bite us in a few years. This stargazing project will likely take a few years, and may very well make the Pantheonists come back to bite us.
Post by: helmacon on May 24, 2018, 04:57:33 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 24, 2018, 05:02:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 25, 2018, 03:56:57 pm
b
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You ask them to tell you more about their celestial mechanics and calculations.
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They speak with such certainty and wisdom about eclipses, occultations, parallax and orbiting that even you mange to catch glimpses into the divine workings of the skies. If there was anyone qualified to update the cosmic lore of Methiantese peoples, its those scholars!
A) Fund them!
B) Maybe later.
Post by: andrea on May 25, 2018, 03:57:59 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 25, 2018, 03:58:54 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 25, 2018, 03:59:43 pm
To bad they are heretics.
B
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 25, 2018, 04:03:06 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 25, 2018, 04:03:58 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 25, 2018, 04:04:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 25, 2018, 04:44:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 25, 2018, 04:54:28 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 25, 2018, 05:30:20 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 25, 2018, 05:40:40 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 25, 2018, 05:44:48 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 25, 2018, 07:20:48 pm
Wow! Amazing!Filthy Pantheonist, A for advancement.
To bad they are heretics.
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 25, 2018, 10:44:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 26, 2018, 12:27:59 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 26, 2018, 12:45:11 am
Post by: Haspen on May 26, 2018, 02:26:12 am
The artists, being swindled out of materials, leave unhappy.
1175 AD, Mid-Spring
A report comes from the prized Ceodwellian gold mines.
It seems that the miners have trouble excavating the same amount of gold ore as in previous years. All prognosis points to the inevitable exhaustion of the mines, which might happen within a decade. The manager is asking whether they should scale down bullion production to extend the life of the mines.
A) I will send you money and supplies so you find me more gold! More gold I say!!
B) Better twenty years of some gold, rather than ten years of prosperity and ten years of nothing.
C) Nah, just keep mining, we make enough money to afford this loss.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 26, 2018, 02:29:00 am
Another reason to care about those Koi mines I guess.
Post by: helmacon on May 26, 2018, 02:33:49 am
we are having a problem with gold inflation after all
Post by: milo christiansen on May 26, 2018, 02:48:30 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 26, 2018, 02:49:06 am
Post by: ZBridges on May 26, 2018, 02:49:22 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 26, 2018, 02:54:46 am
Post by: Haspen on May 26, 2018, 03:10:33 am
1175 AD, Summer
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Traders report that goldwork sold exceptionally in the south this year!
This joyous feeling spreads amongst the court.
Your courtiers seem superbly excited, the advisors are already preparing their personal budgets, the Chamberlain is refreshing the royal wardrobe, and the Treasurer is re-counting the money to know what budget the nation has.
After all, Yoean Dynasty celebrates it's century next year! This magnificient event is the greatest proof of your dyansty's popularity, prosperity and authority.
At a meeting with your courtiers, you decide to...
A) Not celebrate, citing budget reasons and dislike for pompous, needless expenses.
B) Sponsor a year of festivities so people can celebrate along with the Crown.
C) Sponsor a year of festivities, as well as prepare a grandiose programme of feasts for foreign dignitaries, audiences for your subjects, tournaments both martial and artistic, and commission of memorial monuments from famous artisans!
Post by: Kashyyk on May 26, 2018, 03:16:01 am
C
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 26, 2018, 03:40:40 am
Then again we probably shouldn't have been constantly going to the front lines for wars with non-warrior kings.
C
We can scimp and save later, this is a chance to look large for our neighbors.
Post by: helmacon on May 26, 2018, 04:37:32 am
Still building that methinese culture
Post by: ZBridges on May 26, 2018, 04:52:36 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 26, 2018, 05:02:23 am
The greatest splurge there's ever been!
Yeah given one guy was around for 50 years the expected is like 5 years.
This isn't all that different from historical monarchs as far as I've read. There were quite a few Roman emperors with reigns measurable in months, sometimes in short succession.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 26, 2018, 06:13:28 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 26, 2018, 06:37:49 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 26, 2018, 08:01:07 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 26, 2018, 08:14:04 am
Post by: omada on May 26, 2018, 10:05:07 am
(where was the option to call the dwarves? on that gold mine option?)
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 26, 2018, 10:42:21 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 26, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Post by: Twinwolf on May 26, 2018, 11:25:15 am
Post by: andrea on May 26, 2018, 11:30:45 am
Post by: Haspen on May 26, 2018, 07:06:51 pm
1175 AD, Autumn
Sad news arrive from the north; King Estjald died after battling his illness for so long. Cyl has ascended to the throne, per Estjald's will, and shortly after ascension, he announced his upcoming marriage to you.
That's the first part of the letter you got from him. The second asks whether you would like to become his wife as soon as this late-or-mid Winter.
A) That is fine, we can concentrate on dynasty's centennial afterwards.
B) How about next Spring or Summer for cumulative ceremonial celebrations?
Post by: crazyabe on May 26, 2018, 07:15:15 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 26, 2018, 07:18:48 pm
Let the Royal Wedding pageantry commence!
Post by: omada on May 26, 2018, 07:38:42 pm
A let's not give unluck a bit of luck
Post by: Prophet on May 26, 2018, 07:39:20 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 26, 2018, 07:53:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 26, 2018, 07:54:13 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 26, 2018, 08:48:12 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 26, 2018, 09:41:15 pm
The less time to piss the pantheon before we marry the better
Post by: milo christiansen on May 26, 2018, 10:55:04 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 26, 2018, 11:21:16 pm
A year-long wedding!
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2018, 12:14:09 am
Also, steeping it in our culture/traditions/heritage will help strengthen our position as an equal, and not just wife to the *real ruler*.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 27, 2018, 02:07:18 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 27, 2018, 02:23:27 am
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 07:54:49 am
1175 AD, Mid-Autumn
A later report on Springwine sales has just arrived.
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This year's beverage was of finest quality, pleasing noblemen and officials alike.
Also, two more babbys join the court! After exhausting few hours, Irvalina gave birth to Hein's first children! The twin boys were named Feir and Jaccor by their tired mother.
Few days later, the Advisor shows up with several scrolls.
"My lady Empress, here are proposed spectacles and projects that could be done for next year's celebrations."
As for commemorative monument...
A) A statue of the dynasty's founder, Yoe I.
B) A statue of the greatest of Yoeans, Cyl I.
C) A gallery of statuettes of Yoean dynasts, from the dynasty's founding till Bjern.
D) Nah, let's not.
As for festivities...
A) Just festivals all year round.
B) A grandiose ten-day feast to coincide with my royal wedding!
C) Grandiose feasts sponsored by the Crown every month!
As for invitations...
A) Most of them will go to my courtiers and family.
B) Most of them will go to foreign dignitaries.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2018, 07:57:41 am
A
B
Post by: Kashyyk on May 27, 2018, 07:58:11 am
Post by: Taricus on May 27, 2018, 08:40:05 am
Post by: Imic on May 27, 2018, 09:06:33 am
C
B
We could use this as leverage in negotiations.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 27, 2018, 09:09:20 am
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2018, 09:25:39 am
So long as family also includes Eldricans and possibly some of Cyl's line.
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 09:48:39 am
However, I think I will wait for several more votes before update ;v
Post by: Chevaleresse on May 27, 2018, 10:02:37 am
Post by: andrea on May 27, 2018, 10:04:14 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 10:11:08 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 27, 2018, 10:39:47 am
Great as Cyl was, I feel like the centennial shouldn't pass without acknowledging our founder.
(Being a foreign-born empress) I want to reinforce our position as successor in the line of Yoe and true heir to the House of Duede.
Post by: Baffler on May 27, 2018, 11:01:51 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 27, 2018, 11:33:04 am
Post by: omada on May 27, 2018, 12:00:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 01:10:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 27, 2018, 01:10:30 pm
Post by: taat on May 27, 2018, 01:10:38 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khodynka_Tragedy
Post by: taat on May 27, 2018, 01:10:57 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khodynka_Tragedy
Huh, too late..
And modifying a post now makes it a double post
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 01:38:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 02:09:31 pm
Invitations will be sent primarily to foreign dignitaries and persons of importance.
1175 AD, Late Autumn
Travelers bring news; Damedia and Kingdom of Ysirene has begun a war against Gubta. The casus belli was some diplomatic faux pas on behalf of Gubtas, but whispers course around that the south-eastern Damdamians are more than happy to 'purge some heathens'.
Cyl of Cydwyl has sent a reply; he understands your decision, but he thinks Mid-Spring is more romantic time for wedding (blossoming trees and flowers and all that).
A) Our first husband and wife quarrel! I want Late Spring!
B) Okay, sure, anything for my hubby-bubby~
Post by: mightymushroom on May 27, 2018, 02:19:14 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 27, 2018, 02:19:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 27, 2018, 02:22:15 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 27, 2018, 02:22:42 pm
A, mostly because B's phrasing is making me gag.I do assume at least one serious person is between the option and the letter, at least I hope so.
A
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2018, 02:26:07 pm
We get to have hobby hubby sooner!~
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 02:27:40 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 27, 2018, 02:31:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 02:50:56 pm
1175 AD, Winter
Silver and gold arrive in the Treasury; gemstones are delivered to the Royal House of Learning this year, along with part of glass wares.
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Glasswork, even in smaller numbers, managed to bring some profits.
Your tutors bring good news about sister-in-law's education, Graine; apparently, she has all the wit and cunning of a charismatic politician.
1175 AD, Midwinter
"A dragon!?"
"I swear on my mother!" Cries the messenger kneeling in front of you. "The white-scaled beast descended from the Rainbow Lizard mountains during a blizzard and is laying waste to settlements in northern Donuth! It even spoke with human voice, demanding mountains of wealth and a fair maiden, otherwise it will destroy our land!"
You decide to...
A) Send the mighty Methiantese Army to shoot down the pesky flying lizard.
B) Do nothing, maybe it will fly away on its own?
C) Seek help of a Wizard, this is the only way to deal with this monster!
D) Challenge the dragon to a duel!!!
E) Hire some lvl40+ adventurers to slay the mystical beast.
F) Send the Flying Horse to defeat the Dragon in the first aerial combat above Methiant soil ever!
Post by: Rockeater on May 27, 2018, 02:52:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 02:55:18 pm
The army of Methiant has slain dragons before, and has only grown stronger since.
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2018, 02:55:46 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 27, 2018, 02:58:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 03:00:21 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 27, 2018, 03:17:36 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on May 27, 2018, 03:18:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 03:22:59 pm
You send the Flying Horse against the Dragon.
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The Dragon has been slain! The flying unicorn fought with the scaled, winged lizard for quite a while. The massive beast had thick scale but the speed and agility of your pet allowed it to gain upper
Unfortunately, the reptilean carcass fell into the hear of the mountains, and your people can't find the body at the moment. Nonetheless, people are ecstatic and heap praise upon you for getting rid of this terrible, flying beast.
1175 AD, End of the Year
As the blizzards continue to harass the land, the Scepter showcases its power, slowing down winds with its purple glow.
Meanwhile, the Advisor arrives in your bedroom, bringing the freshest update of Scrolls of Kingdom Status to your bed.
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Happiness: 9
Population: 6
Economy: 5
Army: 9!
Imp.Authority: +2
"Your Majesty! Your people are rejoicing due to your fair policies and glorious rule. Again, elders, mayors and administrators are gathering coin from the happy peasants, hoping that the money will be spent by you wisely!"
A) "I will buy myself a nice statue. Of bronze and brass!"
B) "Give it back to them, they need it more!"
C) "Put that into Treas- no wait, let's buy wedding provisions with it!"
"The Army is recently doing nothing of importance. They ask whether Lady Empress has anywhere for them to strike and bring loot and glory for Methiant!"
A) Parsia!
B) Cydwyl!
C) Gubta!
D) Lametania!
E) Rucus!
F) Nowhere.
"Finally, the authority of Emperor's office is at its highest. I wouldn't lie if I would say that this is a good moment to issue an Edict!"
A) "Sure thing!"
B) "Maybe later."
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 03:26:36 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 27, 2018, 03:27:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 27, 2018, 03:29:03 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 03:36:58 pm
As good as our Imperial Authority and Military are, I think we should coordinate long term plans with our new husband before making major decisions.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2018, 03:42:55 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2018, 03:45:43 pm
No Ocrworld option?
A real expedition for once?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 03:51:36 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Establish Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
Establish Religion Tax: (once in effect: 1154 - 1172 AD)
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 27, 2018, 03:58:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2018, 03:59:18 pm
I don't think our economy is as hot as it once was, and we're spending money like it's going out of style. Lets wait on more expenses until the celebrations cool down.
Post by: Twinwolf on May 27, 2018, 04:01:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2018, 04:02:07 pm
Our happiness is staying near the cap. there is zero need for the bill of rights.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 04:10:37 pm
I don't think it will cost us much, as it dose not mention a cost in the description.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 27, 2018, 04:24:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 27, 2018, 04:25:15 pm
1176 AD, Spring
News come from the west; after half a year of unspoken truce, Eldricans and Calvendocians signed a white peace, both sides having gained nothing and losing only many able-bodied men.
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Silverwork sold to local nobles brought some profits this month!
Celebrations across Methiant begin! People praise your name and pray to Pantheonist gods that Yoean dynasty be blessed and your rule be long and prosperous.
Out of many audiences you need to attend, there's one of special kind. Aland of Onwyc, an impoverished nobleman at verge of losing his ancestral home to debtors, has brought to your palace a supposedly magical artifact; an emerald blessed by Pantheonist mystics, which apparently keeps its owners in good health (Aland attests that his family was spared by illnesses and plague as far as he remembers). The stone was in his family for generations, the journals of his ancestors keeping track of it since early 900s. Quite a stone, with quite a history!
Your courtiers frown at Aland, however; because instead of offering it as a gift, he asks for quite a lot of money, amounting to what the Treasury earned from silverwork sales this year! Quite a few courtiers personally offer to drag this ungrateful dog out of your palace.
A) This is an offense against me of highest order! To dungeon with this ignoble rat!!
B) He isn't asking for that much. I will buy the stone.
C) Dismiss him, and he should be thankful I'm in a good mood today.
D) I will pay him double for the stone! He shall experience the generosity of the Empress firsthand!
Post by: birdy51 on May 27, 2018, 04:27:30 pm
D is tempting though, we may be want to see how our new economy is shaping out.
Post by: helmacon on May 27, 2018, 04:30:27 pm
And now we will always have at least one friend amongst the nobles.
Post by: crazyabe on May 27, 2018, 04:34:03 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 27, 2018, 04:38:08 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 27, 2018, 04:41:59 pm
Good deal.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 27, 2018, 04:49:15 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 27, 2018, 04:50:31 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on May 27, 2018, 05:23:31 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 27, 2018, 06:07:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 27, 2018, 06:57:26 pm
B
Good deal.
Only if it works, of which I'm not convinced.
B ut it'll be nice for the crown jewels either way.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 28, 2018, 01:53:20 am
B
We might be swindled, but if we are, we just dont TELL ANYONE and we can look good. Its a magic rock cause we say its a magic rock either way.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 28, 2018, 03:26:48 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 28, 2018, 05:58:41 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 06:28:20 am
We might be swindled, but if we are, we just dont TELL ANYONE and we can look good. Its a magic rock cause we say its a magic rock either way.
Well he's introduced as a known nobleman so he's definitely – um, I mean he's not a professional crook. Yeah, not. If our kids come down with fever we'll probably be busting down a door or two.
Post by: Imic on May 28, 2018, 06:40:40 am
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2018, 07:01:06 am
Well he's introduced as a known nobleman so he's definitely – um, I mean he's not a professional crook. Yeah, not. If our kids come down with fever we'll probably be busting down a door or two.
Listen, I'll be happy if the stone doesn't turn out to be cursed and/or poisoned and/or of Elven origin.
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2018, 09:42:55 am
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 11:57:16 am
1176 AD, Mid-Spring
"Lady Empress! Lady Empress, your groom is here!" One of your maids barges into your bedroom as you dress.
Cyl of Cydwyl has finally come! The maid elaborates that he came with an escort of twenty guards in polished and decorated armors and sixty of his personal servants. They've been all assigned rooms in the opposite side of the palace from your quarters.
The wedding is due to happen tomorrow, and of course you cannot meet your beloved till then. How will you dress for this magnaminous occassion?
A) In a traditional Cydwyllian (but still properly luxurious) dress, to impress my soon-to-be husband!
B) In my imperial evening dress - Empress must look like one, and nothing beats a grandiose dress with Imperial coat of arms sewn into it!
C) In a plain but still expensive dress, to go with dynasty's values of modesty.
D) In a exquisite red dress worn by my mother, I will make her proud tomorrow!!
E) In an expensive silver-thread dress adorned with biggest and shiniest of jewels, decorated with pins and accessories of highest quality brass and gold!
F) ALL THE DRESSES!!! Show them how it's done during Eldrican-Cydwyllian wedding in Methiant!!!!!1
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 12:01:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 12:02:53 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 28, 2018, 12:11:57 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 12:15:16 pm
Might earn us some brownie points with any Elrican diplomats present.
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2018, 12:17:08 pm
Post by: omada on May 28, 2018, 12:17:39 pm
Post by: Imic on May 28, 2018, 12:18:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 12:20:21 pm
F Wear ALL THE DRESSES.
Sure thing.
F GO NAKED
This is Methiant, not Betazed ;v
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 28, 2018, 12:27:02 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 28, 2018, 12:27:25 pm
F Wear ALL THE DRESSES.
Sure thing.
Exxxxcellent In before the Empress succumbs to heat stroke.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 28, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 28, 2018, 12:32:25 pm
Post by: omada on May 28, 2018, 12:36:29 pm
C repeating dresses sometimes offends someone
and using imperial dress to marry someone whose courtiers think we are arrogant might just make it worse
and enter the wedding room by the back of the unicorn for double simbology of purity and stuff
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 12:38:32 pm
and enter the wedding room by the back of the unicorn for double simbology of purity and stuff
I am all for making a grand unicorn entrance.
Post by: Rockeater on May 28, 2018, 12:40:14 pm
Cand enter the wedding room by the back of the unicorn for double simbology of purity and stuff
I am all for making a grand unicorn entrance.
We got it for a reason
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 12:51:01 pm
Post by: omada on May 28, 2018, 12:58:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 02:05:07 pm
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You settle on the red wedding dress of your mother.
1176 AD, Next Evening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxUHRaGTuA)
The ceremony begins outside the palace, in the plaza leading up to it. Commoners, craftsmen, merchants and noblemen alike throw flowers and shout words of praise toward you, as you ride The Flying Horse. It's graceful walk is matched by the fiery-black horse of silvery mane, with Cyl on top. He waves toward your subjects, but keeps himself in your shadow for now.
As the ceremony begins, and the Priest of the God of Oaths recites the holy vows of Pantheonism, you look around the great hall, noticing people staring at you and whispering.
It seems that out of the whole bunch of dignitaries, your own courtiers are unimpressed by your choice of dress. Surely, recycling dresses is still out of fashion. Envoys of your family from Eldrican look pleased, though, surely noting that you remember and stick to your roots.
While the capital city indulges in a ten-day celebrations of your marriage, the feast in the palace begins.
After few hours, the bellies of the guests are full and their hearts mellowed with finest Springwine. It could be a good moment to talk with some diplomats about things important and mundane. Or maybe it's time to chat with your husband?
A) Yes, let's strike a chat with my beloved, it's been too long!
B) I will go talk with people of my homeland, surely they have stories to tell.
C) Let's integrate with Cydwyllian noblemen, to show I care about north.
D) I'm an Empress, not a loudmouthed marketplace peddler!
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 02:08:14 pm
Lets see if he has a game plan for the diplomacy, he's the charismatic one after all...
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 02:11:07 pm
Lets get on the same page.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 02:12:54 pm
Let's get their measure directly.
Unofficial Name Our Flying Horse Poll!
Silverwind : (1) mightymushroom
Stormgale : (0)
Pooky : (0)
Clover : (1) mightymushroom
Thunderbolt : (0)
The Flying Horse : (0)
Post by: Rockeater on May 28, 2018, 02:13:38 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 28, 2018, 02:13:44 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2018, 02:13:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 02:31:09 pm
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It doesn't take long for his praises and compliments to turn you into a giggling pile of squee. You don't get to talk to him about politics, but only about family.
He has support of his mother, Eirika, and people at the court listen to her. He hopes that the first child of the marriage of you two will be a boy. While people remember Queen Dogethe fondly, the legal laws of primogeniture still favor males on the throne unlike in Methiant. A daughter trying to unite two nations would definitely spark resistance in the north.
Speaking of children, he hopes that he will be graced with your presence in bedchamber today. Woosh, he can count on that!
You two mess up the royal bed till the sky outside turns from dark blue of the night to the foggy grey of early morning. Cyl was sensual in his approach and gameplay but aggressive and hasty in his motions. His stamina however allowed him to call you into combat several times tonight, exhausting you and your womb.
How was it?
A) Mrawr~
B) Meh.
C) Terrible.
D) Ow, never again.
Post by: Rockeater on May 28, 2018, 02:34:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 02:34:31 pm
B
Post by: Rockeater on May 28, 2018, 02:37:14 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2018, 02:37:39 pm
And it's no, nay, never
No, nay, never, no more
Will I take a king-lover
No, neveeeeerr, no more!
Post by: helmacon on May 28, 2018, 02:41:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 02:51:46 pm
So we just going to take a flat -2 whenever we want to chat with the hubby? Damn. Still, if we give him a kid, our interests will be aligned, so it is unlikely he will use his influence over us to screw Methiant.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 28, 2018, 03:05:17 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 28, 2018, 03:09:08 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 03:12:30 pm
Post by: omada on May 28, 2018, 03:12:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 03:13:12 pm
In the morning, Cyl has an idea; to further be blessed by gods of Pantheon with good fortune and many kids, he invites you to a prayer at the temple of the God of Fertility.
A) Sure, I will go.
B) Sorry, I have a headache.
C) Princess Eiri can go in my place.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 03:19:21 pm
Failing that, A.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 03:19:35 pm
How is sending anybody else to fertility ritual
with our charismatic new husband
going to help?
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 03:19:50 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 28, 2018, 03:22:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 28, 2018, 03:24:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 03:25:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 28, 2018, 03:27:47 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on May 28, 2018, 03:44:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 03:44:12 pm
It is a simple one, and you both attend in ceremonial skirts, as priestesses chant praise of the newlyweds and annoint you with sacred perfumed oils and brush you with holy ferns.
After you return to the palace, you find a quite livid discussion between your courtiers and courtiers of Cyl. You learn the details once you step between the noblemen.
Apparently, there has been some miscommunication about where Cyl stays as King of Cydwyl and Emperor-Consort of Methiant. To Cydwyllian men its absolutely unthinkable that their King would be ruling from outside the kingdom. Your courtiers believe that Cyl now belongs to you as an Emperor (thus higher rank than their King) and Consort (and thus junior partner in your marriage).
A) I'm Empress of Methiant, he is King of Cydwyl. I don't see a problem here, really.
B) Yes, he shall stay at my side. He is my husbando and I won't let him go away.
C) I will let my beloved Cyl decide in this situation.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 28, 2018, 03:47:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 28, 2018, 03:47:33 pm
At least for now. Invite the courtiers to re-visit the issue after we have an heir.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 03:47:38 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 28, 2018, 03:48:39 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 28, 2018, 03:50:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
Someone dust off a nice estate halfway between and we can have regular "discussions regarding state matters."
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 28, 2018, 04:01:50 pm
C
but with a mean stare that states that we won't accept anything but
A
as the only option?
(As Option D)
Post by: Haspen on May 28, 2018, 04:07:42 pm
Cyl leaves the same day with his entourage and Cydwyllian dignitaries.
1176 AD, Late Spring
King Tetan I of Eldrican has died after sudden onset of fever! His eldest son, Tobald, has stylized himself as Elran V, has ascended to rulership over this vast domain.
A diplomat soon arrives, carrying a letter; in it, Elran V offers to send you gold coin amounting to four years of silver from still-unfulfilled treaty, in return for annulment of said treaty.
A) One less thing to burden ourselves with (and its nice he is sending money, too)!
B) He should reconsider, it's for the good of both of our nations, really.
C) -
Post by: omada on May 28, 2018, 04:09:48 pm
if it's not one of these I will vote D give me tha fucking ketton cloth if not
B
Post by: Twinwolf on May 28, 2018, 04:16:31 pm
What was the rest of the treaty? Or was it just the money.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 28, 2018, 04:22:28 pm
Honestly I mean, we are from that country, it's been a long time, and at least he's making the effort... I think I'm okay Basically playing like 10 economy or something for a chance to build good relations with the west (lets invade the east now, that way we'll have friends in three directions and an enemy in the fourth, a great military situation! :P)
So, okay.
A
But I think we shouldn't take such big deal in the future perhaps...
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 28, 2018, 04:32:01 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 28, 2018, 04:36:38 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 28, 2018, 04:46:15 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 28, 2018, 04:46:55 pm
On the other hand, it's been many years in which we usually get nothing.
A
Is C = give ourselves other kinds of payment over the year or giving gold coin and not silver?
It's the missing option that Ruberta will not declare war on her homeland.
So we probably can't "collect" as long as she's alive anyway.
Post by: ZBridges on May 28, 2018, 05:06:42 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 28, 2018, 05:36:58 pm
Bury the hatchetetetet.
Post by: helmacon on May 28, 2018, 06:18:38 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2018, 07:52:03 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 28, 2018, 10:03:59 pm
Now we just need to get a solid claim on that whole kingdom through a series of marriages.
Post by: Rockeater on May 28, 2018, 11:39:33 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 29, 2018, 01:11:18 am
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 04:23:06 am
Lets settle the debt and normalize relations so that next time somebody fucks with Ruberta's family in Eldrican, she has an excuse to launch invasions.
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 11:40:52 am
1176 AD, Summer
BLURGLGLGHLGHLGHLLGG.
The maid hastily takes the vomit-filled bowl from your side as the healers prepare a herbal tonic which strong, nostril-cleansing scent can be smelled even from your bed. You feel sick, tired, and exhausted since midnight, but the medics are positive its not food poisoning or anything.
After few more check-ups, there's only one explanation left - you're pregnant with Cyl's child! The healers will monitor your situation, but you face two important questions at the moment.
As for informing Cyl about being a father soon...
A) Duh!
B) Let's wait.
As for your administrative role as an Empress...
A) I'm not a honey bun, I can handle both my work and my pregnancy at once!
B) I should call in Cyl to substitute for me once pregnancy gets in the way, for now I'm fine.
C) I will reduce my work, delegating less important things to the Advisor, Statesmen and the court.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2018, 11:43:30 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 11:44:01 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 29, 2018, 11:44:05 am
Post by: omada on May 29, 2018, 11:46:23 am
and come on, we are administrating stuff not going to war. Just be firm for the guests to stop yelling (maybe some of them will avoid to being to hasty against us when they see our belly and it helps negotiation?)
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 11:47:34 am
Just wait 1 month and see the menstruation not coming or wait the belly increase a bit
Already happened, ya know, is why healers are positive its pregnancy v;
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 11:47:59 am
Calling Cyl means we get to see more of him. Letting him rule means we get to learn more of his agenda. I'm for both of those things.
Also, it means he might be in the country for the Centennial of House Yoe, who are more his ancestors than they are ours.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 29, 2018, 12:08:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 12:14:31 pm
Cyl only has an agenda if we let him near the reins of government. I'm against it unless we need to call a Succession Council before the new heir is ready.
Centennial of House Yoe, who are more his ancestors than they are ours.
Don't we have an advantage from marrying into the line twice? We should be twice as Yoean now! Nobody alive can match our Yoeness! :P
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 12:33:37 pm
Cyl only has an agenda if we let him near the reins of government. I'm against it unless we need to call a Succession Council before the new heir is ready.
Cyl intentionally courted the woman who controls one of the region's largest economies and one of the region's largest armies, and he holds a +2 on rolls to boss her around. You can't tell me he doesn't have an agenda nor that we can stop him from pursuing it without doing something rash.
Post by: Baffler on May 29, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 29, 2018, 12:42:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 12:46:08 pm
1176 AD, Midsummer
Profits come from sale of golden crafts to Rucusians, albeit your merchants bring alarming news; the Rucusian noblemen has obtained a better - that's it, cheaper - source of prized goldwork, that being in Ysirene. The merchants are worried because if no action is taken, they will not be able to compete with foreign traders on foreign soil.
A) We can lower the prices below the Ysirene crafts, and remain in the market. Simples!
B) Eh, we can always sell them locally to our noblemen, if they're not fed up with silver crafts yet. Or just mint gold coins. Money is money!
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 12:53:26 pm
Failing that, B. When inflation becomes an issues again, we can call the dwarves and buy Fireblood fixings from them, providing a bribe if necessary.
Post by: birdy51 on May 29, 2018, 12:53:53 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 12:56:27 pm
So keep the gold at home and sell our silver crafts to the Rucusians?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 01:02:00 pm
B
So keep the gold at home and sell our silver crafts to the Rucusians?
...Brilliant.
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 01:05:45 pm
1176 AD, Late Summer
Your pregnancy is going smoothly. Except the violent vomiting last month, all symptoms were mild at best.
Few days later, Cyl sends a reply; he is elated to hear of the news, and wishes to move to Methe for this Winter and next Spring. He already discussed this with his court, and Queen Mother Eirika will rule during his absence.
A) Nah, he should stay at his castle.
B) Sure, I will have him by my side during childbirth!
C) Just few days around Midwinter should suffice.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 01:06:47 pm
We wont deny him this.
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 29, 2018, 01:08:36 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 01:14:06 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 29, 2018, 01:28:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 01:43:43 pm
1176 AD, Autumn
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Springwine sales bring great profits this year, as well as pleasing the buyers with the wine's delicious taste and lovely aroma!
You hear that Ysireans have conclude a treaty with the Gubta; they were forced to cede lands to Ysirene, as well as allow Damedian followers free worships within this ancient, unitary domain. Truly, recent years have been bad for this ancient power.
A) And that's when we make Ceodwell larger by taking a piece of Gubta ourselves!
B) Eh, happens.
C) Terrible! I must protect the Gubtans lest they go exctinct!
Post by: Rockeater on May 29, 2018, 01:46:28 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 01:49:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 01:50:15 pm
I don't know if that's even possible, but even after the Empire's break up all the Damedians are acting as one brotherhood.
I think we should try more to contain them. Or convert.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 01:51:54 pm
C
I don't know if that's even possible, but even after the Empire's break up all the Damedians are acting as one brotherhood.
I think we should try more to contain them. Or convert.
I think the Empire kinda-sorta got back together.
Edit: B for now. No warfare while we are expecting. It sounds like we should have our baby by the end of the year, and if the army asks for a target then, Gubta sounds like easy pickings.
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 02:18:59 pm
Few days later, you can swear you felt the baby kick your belly gently. Rinilda was patient and begun to kick late; this one's hasty. Must be a boy, for sure.
1176 AD, Mid-Autumn
Travelers bring news from far northwest; during a succession crisis in Agares, a distant relative of the main family, a zealous Ulanite and princess, Rosamana, has slaughtered her relatives and seized the crown with her bloodstained hands. Apparently there is prophecy involved in her bloody ascension, her conception and her motives, and many Agaresian mystics has already bestowed her the title of 'Shakira', great conqueror and woman-who-bests-men. Many uprisings against her bloody ascension rose in Summer and Autumn, but she mercilessly crushed them all with war lizards, her harem commanders, and Fireblood.
A reply comes from Rucusians, who seem uninterested in your silverwork also.
A) Time to interest our nobles in silver spoons and bowls!
B) More coinage it is, then.
C) Well, let's find another market to peddle our wares at!
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2018, 02:21:28 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 02:22:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 02:29:52 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 02:33:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 02:40:52 pm
1176 AD, Late Autumn
Rosamana struck against Hellistes, burning down their villages and pillaging and looting through cities and wealthy ports.
Diplomatic corps bring news; the Duke of Koi is looking for a bride for his son and heir, Timond, who is nearing his twentieth birthday. Having been contacted by your diplomats, the Duke expressed interest in marriage with Methiant.
A) Rinilda will marry him, of course when she grows up.
B) Marriage with Koi isn't in Methiantese interests, though.
C) Ask Princess Eiri whether she would agree to the marriage.
D) Ask Princess Graine whether she would agree to the marriage.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 02:44:49 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2018, 02:49:36 pm
But we can probably spare Eiri.
C
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 02:56:11 pm
Post by: omada on May 29, 2018, 02:56:52 pm
Altough we can always gain a casus belly, we can do that with C or D
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 03:03:41 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 29, 2018, 03:04:03 pm
and woman-who-bests-men.
Good thing we got an empress right?
C, who knows where a lucky wife might end up, maybe even on the throne...
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 03:12:55 pm
and woman-who-bests-men.
Good thing we got an empress right?
C, who knows where a lucky wife might end up, maybe even on the throne...
I'm guessing this lady is Martial. Even so, if we purchase a combat artifact and ride our unicorn, we may at least have an even roll in a fight against her.
Honestly, I think I'd rather use the chaos she causes to invade Helliste. If I recall correctly, Rinilda's grandmother was a Helliste princess, so if we take the nation we could install our daughter on the throne.
Either way, our army is chomping at the bit for action, Helliste and Gubta are both vulnerable, and our husband will soon be in town. We would be remiss if we did not ask if he has a desire, or even an excuse, to make war on one of those nations.
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 29, 2018, 03:59:09 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 29, 2018, 04:01:30 pm
We probably should advise him on the matters of war. I'm sure he'd love to meet the Marshal.
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 04:11:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 04:14:16 pm
She refuses; she then goes on to tell you she is fancying herself a young nobleman, Aelgast, from Donuth, and isn't interested in any alternative.
A) Order her to marry the Koi heir. It's for greater good, and Methiant!
B) Let's ask her younger sister, Princess Graine, instead.
C) The Koi's heir will need to find a bride elsewhere, then.
D) Time to offer my baby girl up, she will make a good wife when she grows up.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 04:16:28 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 29, 2018, 04:17:05 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2018, 04:17:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 29, 2018, 04:19:32 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 04:33:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 29, 2018, 04:43:03 pm
1176 AD, Late Autumn
News come from the south and west; Elran V and Alrus Rucus of Rucus signed an alliance pact!
Meanwhile, in the far north, Hellistes are collapsing after their King and his envoys were brutally murdered by Rosamana's men on the way to negotiate with her. After disorganized retreat, the Rosamans fell upon central Helliste like vultures upon fresh corpse.
Report arrives from Orcworld; the people stationed there report strange weather phenomena occuring; winds traveling faster than any wind in Methiant, red sky in morning and purple one in the evening. There's also strange chill in the air, while scholars who observe the orcish world report that this cannot be later than early Autumn for that world.
Pantheonist followers in there are particularily scared, wondering whether the Gods are angry at traversing to another world.
A) We must appease the gods with donations upon Pantheonist altars!
B) My elite, hardened troops are scared of strange weather? For shame!
C) Let's station more people and supplies in there, just in case.
Post by: Criptfeind on May 29, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 29, 2018, 04:57:41 pm
Strange gods rule in a strange world. Let's not spurn them even further.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 29, 2018, 04:58:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 05:06:36 pm
If we were not pregnant, I'd be begging for a wizard option, but I don't think Ruberta should be questing right now.
Meanwhile, in the far north, Hellistes are collapsing after their King and his envoys were brutally murdered by Rosamana's men on the way to negotiate with her. After disorganized retreat, the Rosamans fell upon central Helliste like vultures upon fresh corpse.
Yeah. At the end of year report, assuming our army is still maxed, I'm all for sending in our army, fighting Rosamana if she is still around, naming young Rinilda the rightful queen, and sending a bunch of the spare Yoes haning around the palace to run the place until our daughter is old enough.
Post by: ZBridges on May 29, 2018, 05:12:14 pm
Post by: Taricus on May 29, 2018, 05:13:52 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 29, 2018, 05:16:29 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 29, 2018, 05:22:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 29, 2018, 05:23:48 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 29, 2018, 05:31:43 pm
Post by: omada on May 29, 2018, 05:52:30 pm
A to shut up those priests
Post by: milo christiansen on May 29, 2018, 09:05:45 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on May 29, 2018, 09:09:31 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 29, 2018, 09:42:21 pm
Also I'm saddened that we didn't decide to protect the Gubtas from now on. If they actually do end up getting destroyed someday after what seems like centuries of history with us it'd be pretty sad. Well that and the fact that I really really don't like the Damdamians spreading their influence and religion anywhere. I'm still waiting for them to turn on us eventually. Never trust those Damdamian bastards!
Also "but she mercilessly crushed them all with war lizards, her harem commanders," Gosh darn it. First the Parsians/Guptas rub their hareming abilities in our faces and now the northern Lizard Riders too? Also I think I remember one time when we almost had the chance to trade the Lizard Riders for some of theirs mounts which makes me sad we didn't take the chance to get some of our own. Anyway can't wait until Lizard Riding Female Genghis Khan comes to attack us. I'm sure that'll be fun. I wonder if she'll end up like Female Atilla the Hun did? Betrayed by her men and torn to shreds by dogs that is. At least I think that's what happened to that one nomad lady who attacked us a long time ago back when the Western Nomads were a thing?
Post by: Baffler on May 29, 2018, 09:46:17 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 10:31:24 pm
Well that and the fact that I really really don't like the Damdamians spreading their influence and religion anywhere. I'm still waiting for them to turn on us eventually. Never trust those Damdamian bastards!
News come from the south and west; Elran V and Alrus Rucus of Rucus signed an alliance pact!
The Damdamians just aligned with our kin in Elrican, who between our choice to wear the red dress and relieve them from their debt are likely on good terms with us. I wouldn't put anything past those dogs, but I'm fairly confident we are safe so long as Ruberta is Empress. Unless our own family chooses to betray us, the Damdamians wouldn't want to risk pissing off their new ally.
Post by: omada on May 29, 2018, 10:47:48 pm
About the Agaresian bullshit, we should do our joint venture against them once again altough parsia isn't in good terms to fight them. but hmm, hellist and albionese pirates maybe desire?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 10:53:30 pm
That worries me a bit, it's two giants getting allied at our side. If they decide to screw us we are fucked
They probably thought the exact same thing when we married Cyl.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 29, 2018, 11:13:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 29, 2018, 11:25:04 pm
I thought the Damdamians were now a weaker alliance of states rather then a unified empire. Still dangerous if we rile them all up but more interested in separate desires.
Yup, and Rucus is only a small part... but a part that was able to defeat Methiant on the field of battle. I wonder if they still have that martial prince who killed Houlandin I in their back pocket?
Post by: Imic on May 30, 2018, 07:51:50 am
We might as well, since the others could end badly.
Post by: omada on May 30, 2018, 11:25:47 am
maybe the weather is the thing that killed everybody, maybe next time we just evacuate the region when the weather begin again
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2018, 01:54:12 pm
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Much donations are made to altars and temples and oracles of Pantheonism.
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Soon, one of the oracles sends you a word, that calamity is to occur soon in the Orcworld, and that naught but evacuation of soldiers stationed there will save their lives.
A) Truly, they're insane! Let's stock the fortress with supplies so they can weather whatever storm ocurs.
B) Clearly, the oracle is right. We must abandon Orcworld fortress at once!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2018, 01:55:33 pm
Not like it's protecting much of importance, is it?
Post by: Weirdsound on May 30, 2018, 01:59:50 pm
We probably shouldn't ignore advice given to us on a roll of 5. We can use those soldiers in Gubta and/or Heleste soon.
Post by: Imic on May 30, 2018, 02:11:56 pm
BI agree.
We probably shouldn't ignore advice given to us on a roll of 5. We can use those soldiers in Gubta and/or Heleste soon.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 30, 2018, 02:24:10 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 30, 2018, 02:28:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2018, 02:32:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on May 30, 2018, 02:39:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2018, 02:52:46 pm
1176 AD, Winter
Soldiers of the Fortress have returned home.
Meanwhile, silver, gold and gemstones arrive in your Treasury!
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Some profits are made with glasswork, too.
Your Vizier in Parsia sends an urgent report!
One of Kirs, or high commanders, of Rosamana, Abayev, has taken a force of eight thousand lizard raiders and has struck the settlements in Waterless Plains, looting the ornate Temples of Eleven and enslaving Parsians who failed to escape. With lack of strong Army and Alalkan being indecisive as it is, some of Parsian noblemen believe that only Methiantese intervention can save them.
A) Sorry, you should've become my vassals when we asked nicely, but noooo...
B) We can send some supplies and money, they can buy some mercenaries with that.
C) A-ha! A worthy combat exercise for our glorious (and bored) Army!
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2018, 02:53:48 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2018, 02:58:05 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 30, 2018, 02:59:46 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2018, 03:03:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on May 30, 2018, 03:07:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 30, 2018, 03:07:38 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 30, 2018, 03:21:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2018, 03:33:43 pm
Few days later, Cyl arrives and you two have a pleasant chat about weather, and reaffirm your love.
1176 AD, Midwinter
The Helliste are getting ravaged by Rosamana's raiders, and those in Parsia are skillfully evading your heavy troops. The sandy flats of northeastern Parsia make it hard for Fireblood machinery and horses to catch up with lizards, which happily wiggle through the sands.
Few days later, there are two messengers bringing urgent news; one is from Helliste, with request for assistance from Cydwyl and Methiant, and other is bringing report of a major battle against Agaresians.
Suddenly however, one could say, at dramatically inconvenient time, you suffer a terrible abdominal pain that you felt only once in your life before. Someone's ready to explore a new world, it seems!
You decide to...
A) Shush the baby and receive the messenger from Helliste!
B) Shush the baby and receive the messenger from Parsia!
C) Alert the nurses that their help will be needed in about now!
Post by: mightymushroom on May 30, 2018, 03:37:07 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2018, 03:38:05 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 30, 2018, 03:38:56 pm
Post by: ZBridges on May 30, 2018, 03:43:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 30, 2018, 04:20:09 pm
Once there, the nurses hoist up your lengthy audience dress, while towels, healing rocks and hot water are brought in, and the delivery begins! Hours pass as you feel your womb opening and the baby slowly making its way out, all this accompanied by too much pain for your liking.
Why it must always be so much painful?? You muse about it - surely the Pantheonist gods of creation have a wicked sense of humor.
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After lots of pushing, screaming, cold compresses, nurses shushing you and your angry shouting, there comes a much appreciated moment of relief. A moment later you hear it - the sweet shriek of an alive baby. Soon, the bloodied, wet, messy child is brought into your hands, and you lie her against your breast...
Yes, indeed, it is a girl. One of few male servants that was permitted to stay around is sent to inform Cyl immediately. He arrives very soon and kneels besides your bed, kissing your hand with his trembling lips, but from his face you can see that a boy would please him much more.
Per inviolate tradition of the land, you have the honor of naming your little Princess. Several popular names from Eldrican and Methiant come to your mind...
A) Ciri.
B) Esta.
C) Kayra.
D) Morgan.
E) Eirike.
F) Eiri.
G) Sela.
H) Elana.
I) Gwynna.
J) Edda.
K) (submit your own)
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 30, 2018, 04:22:50 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2018, 04:23:24 pm
Post by: Harry Baldman on May 30, 2018, 04:24:47 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on May 30, 2018, 04:26:32 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 30, 2018, 04:27:05 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 30, 2018, 04:37:06 pm
K) Cylia - Naming her after both her father and the greatest ruler of Methiant can only bring good fortune+1
Post by: mightymushroom on May 30, 2018, 04:52:20 pm
A founding name for our centennial baby.
Post by: ZBridges on May 30, 2018, 05:00:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2018, 05:29:58 pm
K) Cylia - Naming her after both her father and the greatest ruler of Methiant can only bring good fortune+1
Post by: birdy51 on May 30, 2018, 06:08:54 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 30, 2018, 06:23:32 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on May 30, 2018, 07:34:43 pm
K) Cylia - Naming her after both her father and the greatest ruler of Methiant can only bring good fortune+1
Post by: omada on May 30, 2018, 08:05:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on May 31, 2018, 02:46:11 am
...But only because if we stick to this naming scheme and ever have a son, we can name him after his greatest female ancestor, Queen Dogethe, and wind up with Emperor Doge or Emperor Doggo. I cannot resist such memes.
Post by: Imic on May 31, 2018, 04:44:34 am
K) Cylia - Naming her after both her father and the greatest ruler of Methiant can only bring good fortune+1
Post by: birdy51 on May 31, 2018, 05:10:17 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 02, 2018, 08:51:55 am
Post by: omada on June 02, 2018, 05:21:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2018, 05:01:11 am
cylia kkkkkkkkk
scylla k
auga k
You name her Cylia, after the greatest of Yoean men!
Few hours of nap later, you're given some wine as courtiers bring in the messenger from Parsia; apparently, Cyl met with Helliste messenger behind your back!
He pledged immediate help of Cydwyllian and Methiantese forces against the vile aggressors from the east, and is preparing to set out and lead Cydwyllian forces from the front lines.
A) Bless his sharp mind, now let me hear the report from Parsia.
B) Wait wait wait, hold on, he did what!?
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2018, 06:47:15 am
A
Post by: milo christiansen on June 04, 2018, 07:30:09 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 04, 2018, 08:38:31 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 04, 2018, 08:39:54 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 04, 2018, 09:05:07 am
He does need a good lashing, though yeah, he does have the right idea. Give im' a kiss on the cheek and a slap on the rear and send im' off to war.
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2018, 10:03:25 am
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He says that, because Methiantese soldiers are already fighting against Rosamana, no matter the field of battle, all he had to do was to pledge Cydwyllian aid for the oppressed nations.
Cyl plants a kiss on your lips - as you huff in grudging manner - and says that further matters of governance will have to wait till he returns victorious.
You meet with the messenger from Parsia.
"The Army reports that it has defeated the enemy force in detail, and Parsia is almost free of invaders. However, casualties were heavy. At least five thousand Methiantese soldiers will not be returning home, Lady Empress!"
A new set of orders for your Army?
A) It is to strike into Agares, er, Rosamana, to bring fighting to the savages' land.
B) It is to station in, and protect, Parsia from further incursions from the east.
C) It is to march north and help Cydwyl and Helliste in repelling the lizard riders.
D) It is to return home and recuperate, in case we need elsewhere in the Empire.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 04, 2018, 10:05:51 am
We really should have gotten charisma from the sorcerer I think ;.;
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 04, 2018, 10:07:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2018, 10:49:09 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 04, 2018, 10:58:15 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2018, 11:03:46 am
We should also join the fighting once we have recovered from giving birth. We may not be Martial, but we have a winged Superbeast who may be of particular use tracking the highly mobile enemy and blasting their fireblood supplies for epic booms.
Also, if we are present, once we repel the invaders, we can use the combined might of Cydwyl and Methiant to ensure our daughter Rinilda sits on the vacant throne of Helliste, thus clearing the way for Cylia to become our heir and securing a third nation for our family to control.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 04, 2018, 11:57:41 am
CONQUER
THEN ANNEX
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2018, 12:18:04 pm
A
CONQUER
THEN ANNEX
They are seperated from us by several other countries. It would be complicated to Annex and rule them directly.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 04, 2018, 01:14:52 pm
Hey, it worked for Britain.A
CONQUER
THEN ANNEX
They are seperated from us by several other countries. It would be complicated to Annex and rule them directly.
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2018, 01:29:39 pm
1176 AD, Late Winter
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Unexpected news from Cydwyl! Apparently, your Army from Parsia marched right into Rosaman lizard raiders, led by crafty Kris Shogunov, who, after trekking through the Bloodpeak Mountains and camping at the unprotected borders of east Cydwyl, was going to invade your husband's land.
Initial report of the combat leaves many of Shogunov's cohorts dead (as much as five thousand infantry, your officers estimate), as they were exhausted from the arduous journey through the mountains, and the man himself was captured and executed. Thousands of war lizards were slain, lots of provisions taken and quite a few lizardlings and lizard eggs were captured from Rosaman supply wagons. Casualties amongst your own soldiers didn't exceed a thousand.
Priests of the Pantheonist God of Luck heap praise upon their name for this most happy of coincidences, and you leave a coin upon the altar as well.
After a modest victory feast with your courtiers, you get back to your chambers, only to see Rinilda, your first daughter, sitting on the bed, clutching her straw doll, looking very unhappy. You quickly move in to give her a hug.
"Now now, what's wrong, my dear?"
"Mom, is it true I will never be Empress? That my sister will rule everything cuz she is King Cyl's daughter? That I will be left in palace and forever grow old and forgotten like Lady Auvena?"
After giving her a consoling pat on her raven-black head, you decide to...
A) Reassure her that she will remain your heir and, one day, rule all that is Methiantese, as an Empress.
B) Break the news to her - unfortunately, the world of politics is a cruel one, and she needs to adjust to it!
C) Politely ask your eldest who is telling her such mean and totally wrong things about her future life.
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 04, 2018, 01:32:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 04, 2018, 01:36:00 pm
If she figured it out on her own, she's clever enough to understand B already.
If somebody is trying to influence her against her sister we'd like to know.
Post by: birdy51 on June 04, 2018, 01:39:41 pm
Might be good to remind her that our own fortunes were once a bit more humble. Or maybe not, cause, you know. Dad tried to kill her.
Post by: Baffler on June 04, 2018, 01:43:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 04, 2018, 01:44:17 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 04, 2018, 02:58:41 pm
Post by: Imic on June 04, 2018, 04:12:47 pm
C
Post by: Kashyyk on June 04, 2018, 04:13:06 pm
Post by: omada on June 04, 2018, 04:55:12 pm
And we can assure that we are going to make her sit in a throne if possible, and both can work together to make the empire greater
and HMMMMMM
Thousands of war lizards were slain, lots of provisions taken and quite a few lizardlings and lizard eggs were captured from Rosaman supply wagons.
THAT SOUNDS VERY NICE
Post by: helmacon on June 04, 2018, 04:58:06 pm
But without actually telling her it is wrong.
Post by: Haspen on June 04, 2018, 05:06:20 pm
"Lady Alissa. She says you care about nothing and no one but politics."
A) "Well, politics is a harsh world, you better get used to it!"
B) "No no, Lady Alissa is all wrong, you're my only heir!"
And for the troublemaker herself...
A) Have a pleasant, totally not venom-infused, chat with her.
B) Dismiss her from your palace, no more freebies for her and her sons.
C) Ignore her nonchalance, it's her modus operandi that never works.
Post by: omada on June 04, 2018, 05:10:36 pm
AB
but we can tell that we are going to do the best to give her the higher position available
Post by: crazyabe on June 04, 2018, 05:11:18 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 04, 2018, 05:19:58 pm
A
Post by: helmacon on June 04, 2018, 05:30:39 pm
we don't have time to deal with all this backstabbing shit.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 04, 2018, 05:32:44 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 04, 2018, 05:33:48 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 04, 2018, 05:53:45 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2018, 06:05:43 pm
B
I mean no wonder Cyl's brother banished her. Like I mean if you really think insulting the person who's harboring you in their court out of kindness and even having the nerve to do so to said person's daughter is a good idea then I wouldn't want your genetics anywhere near a throne either.
Post by: milo christiansen on June 04, 2018, 08:24:04 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 04, 2018, 09:23:00 pm
Post by: Taricus on June 04, 2018, 09:26:05 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 04, 2018, 11:31:57 pm
If we roll poorly we can throw Lady Alissa out and send our daughter to live with her charismatic step-father who will hopefully
Post by: Rockeater on June 05, 2018, 12:15:51 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 05, 2018, 01:27:08 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 05, 2018, 01:40:02 am
WTF PEOPLE
ugh I knew you assholes would do this if we married Cyl
why do you make me regret not putting Rinilda on the throne directly at the succession crisis
Post by: Kashyyk on June 05, 2018, 01:59:48 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 05, 2018, 02:59:25 am
BB
WTF PEOPLE
ugh I knew you assholes would do this if we married Cyl
why do you make me regret not putting Rinilda on the throne directly at the succession crisis
Well, it's always been the question on the air hasn't it been? The whole point in marrying Cyl was to unify the two countries, that's been the stated reason every step of the way (except when Cyl would take over with his charisma trait and talk of love I guess...) It wasn't going to happen via Cyl adopting a female to be the heir of his more bloodline focused male inheriting only country.
I'm not sure if we should be passing her aside, although I think it'd be a lot more legal and easy to do then any other solution.
But mostly at this point I'm not sure if Cyl will let us make her inherit.
Post by: melkor on June 05, 2018, 03:55:51 am
but none of this matters because as soon as we get a male he will be heir.
the only sad part of this is that we will lose the Yoean dynasty as the emperor line but sacrifices need to be made.
Alissa however can fuck right of
BB
Post by: Haspen on June 05, 2018, 03:58:46 am
bc
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You try to break news to her in best way possible.
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She seems understanding, especially when you say you will arrange a good marriage for her, but she still looks as if you have broken her smol, princessy heart. She goes to sleep quietly and you make your way to Lady Alissa's chambers.
THUD! You slam open the door, making Lady Alissa choke on the ale she was drinking.
A) "You better stop messing with my family, or else!"
B) "BEGONE FROM MY PALACE, THOT!"
C) "TO THE DUNGEON WITH YOU!"
D) "Care to explain yourself to me, Lady Alissa?"
Post by: helmacon on June 05, 2018, 04:03:00 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 05, 2018, 04:06:01 am
I don't know. Actually settling this question wasn't a bad thing persay.
Post by: Haspen on June 05, 2018, 04:07:15 am
800 pages of this madness already. Pity the fool who one day decides to join and tries to read it from beginning!
Post by: Rockeater on June 05, 2018, 04:10:28 am
Anyway D we can get rid of her later.
Post by: melkor on June 05, 2018, 04:11:57 am
D
but then begone thot!!
Post by: ZBridges on June 05, 2018, 04:12:25 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 05, 2018, 04:24:42 am
don't really care about her explanation
would much prefer her internal organs
as a tasteful savoury aspic
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 05, 2018, 05:32:44 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 05, 2018, 06:10:28 am
Post by: Yoink on June 05, 2018, 07:33:38 am
Post by: omada on June 05, 2018, 11:18:45 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 05, 2018, 11:19:07 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 05, 2018, 11:35:13 am
Post by: Prophet on June 05, 2018, 11:58:03 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 05, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2018, 03:56:23 am
c
dddddddddd
You calmly ask for explanation.
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Lady Alissa tries to defend herself somehow and insinuate things, but that only infuriates you more. With no hesitation you make it clear to her that if she wants to make enemy of you (and entire Empire), she is on a very good road in achieving it, and Pantheon help her if she does. You tell her in no terms you won't accept such meddling and rousing against your person, especially your children.
Teary-eyed, Lady Alissa quickly apologizes, and even smooches your hands. Next day you hear news that she is packing herself and her sons to live with some noblewoman friend of hers who has a small estate (and few unmarried daughters) in western Felonsein, far away from your palace.
Soon you hear the court murmuring; they're actually impressed that a honey-lipped snake like Lady Alissa has been ousted by you. A minor thing, one could say, but it gains you some respect and strengthens your authority in the court.
1176 AD, End of the Year
After you put the (finally asleep) Cylia to her little bed, you walk out of the door, only to find the Advisor stopping in front of you with certain Scrolls of Kingdom Status under his arms.
Ah, right.
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Happiness: 9!
Population: 6
Economy: 3
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: +2
"Lady Empress, your peoples are still the happiest people around, and once again, they want to share their wealth with the Crown. Might I point that due to various expenses and lower trade profits, our Treasury is emptier than usually. It wouldn't be anything untoward your people if we accept the gold and tax them too."
A) "Nah, let's just accept the donations."
B) "Yes, donations and raised tax will secure our Treasury."
C) "Nah, we will spend money on poor and sick!"
"While the Army is slowly recuperating from the losses in Parsia and elsewhere, the Authority of Lady Empress is still sky high. Mayhaps an Edict this year, Lady Empress?"
A) "About time I stamp some papers!"
B) "No, we don't need any Edicts."
Post by: Kashyyk on June 06, 2018, 04:00:52 am
Post by: helmacon on June 06, 2018, 04:56:29 am
although I'm a bit worried to even bring up edicts. Anytime it's there we have to best back the inane hordes of "Bill of rights" people, even though it only gives us happiness and is in no way need at all right now.
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 06, 2018, 05:21:57 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 06, 2018, 05:36:35 am
Also our economy seems to be doing pretty bad... Although we still have 4 econ of silver on the way from the east, right Haspen? But I think once we chew though that we'll be slowly bleeding out cash... We'd better find some more foreign trade soon.
BA
Post by: melkor on June 06, 2018, 05:40:10 am
Post by: Taricus on June 06, 2018, 05:44:42 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 06, 2018, 05:45:14 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 06, 2018, 06:01:41 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 06, 2018, 06:15:02 am
Post by: helmacon on June 06, 2018, 07:59:17 am
If Bill of rights really does give us a happiness boost, then we can permanently increase our taxes to compensate, easing the economy issue.
We are currently hitting our happiness cap. We can do that without incurring the massive risks and penalties that go along with a bill of rights.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 06, 2018, 08:24:54 am
Post by: crazyabe on June 06, 2018, 08:43:37 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 06, 2018, 09:19:34 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 06, 2018, 09:22:44 am
Also our economy seems to be doing pretty bad... Although we still have 4 econ of silver on the way from the east, right Haspen? But I think once we chew though that we'll be slowly bleeding out cash... We'd better find some more foreign trade soon.
We chose to go overboard on centennial celebrations and a royal wedding so that dip is not a surprise. My count is that Parsia is only paying tribute one more year – ten years' worth following the war in 1167.
Not including our super happy subjects shoving coin into our hands, I believe we should be breaking even after those payments end. (But I'm not 100% sure, I haven't gotten a good chance to compare my notes against the Scrolls since our trade deals got tumbled about.)
If Bill of rights really does give us a happiness boost, then we can permanently increase our taxes to compensate, easing the economy issue.
We are currently hitting our happiness cap. We can do that without incurring the massive risks and penalties that go along with a bill of rights.
Raised tax is known to hit happiness every year; our current happiness is the result of occasional good rolls on trading that do not happen reliably every year, and with the recent changes in our trade routes I'm not confident that I know the expected happiness value. A better plan would be to keep happiness so high that we get "voluntary" extra money regularly without changing tax rates.
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Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
When I re-read the description for Bill of Rights, I'm not at all confident it is a happiness "boost." From the highlighted passage, it works to prevent happiness/authority loss during disasters but probably doesn't help regarding a government policy.
What the Bill of Rights should do is to open up quite a few more branches on our policy tree for social change, and we should consider it on those grounds if we want it. I'm not sure what "risks and penalties" you refer to or why you describe them as "massive." (For comparison, I was quite afraid that the settlement handout was going to screw us over but it's proven mild to date.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 06, 2018, 09:53:00 am
(AA)
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2018, 10:06:39 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 06, 2018, 10:14:37 am
AA Peasants rights are for republican dogs like those intolerable Damdamians. First it's rights then it's representation! They might even talk about... voting! *Prophet shivers in disgust* We must never let the evil influences of Damdamian Republicanism tarnish our glorious and honorable Monarchy!
I'm not as violently opposed to a Bill of Rights as this, but I think such a radical change is a stupid idea while we are working on peacefully merging our nation with our husband's.
That said, what edict do you AA people who don't want rights plan to vote for? Cartography?
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2018, 10:16:27 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Establish Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
Establish Religion Tax: (once in effect: 1154 - 1172 AD)
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 06, 2018, 10:21:27 am
Hey, Haspen, next time, could we perhaps get an edict to declare that dynasties will no longer be reckoned exclusively by the male bloodline, but instead, children inherit whichever parental dynasty is more important? That way, even though Ruberta will never be a member of the Yoean dynasty, at least her daughters' descendants can be.
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2018, 10:25:30 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 06, 2018, 10:26:16 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 06, 2018, 10:27:49 am
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2018, 10:35:35 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 06, 2018, 10:42:19 am
Maybe we can ask them to concentrate on economic data to point our diplomats in the direction of the most promising trade routes?
Post by: Weirdsound on June 06, 2018, 11:01:38 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 06, 2018, 11:24:26 am
Post by: helmacon on June 06, 2018, 12:14:41 pm
Cartography!
Post by: Haspen on June 06, 2018, 12:31:41 pm
1177 AD, Spring
Cydwyl, Helliste and Methiantese armies fought against Rosamana's troops on eve of new year! The battle is said to have as many as thirty thousand fighters total, most of them on side of westerners. The battle was won with high casualties; Kris Androvin was captured and executed, but Rosamana, who was supposedly leading the army, was not found; few captives' say she is with raiders in eastern outskirts of Helliste.
The battle also saw Helliste's new ruler, King Aubjorn, participate; a young and ambitious lad of scant fifteen winters, a cousin of the Helliste's King slain last year.
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Silverwork brought very, very nice profits from local Methiantese markets.
1177 AD, Mid-Spring
Your brother-in-law, Hein, became father once more! His wife Irvalina gave birth to a lovely girl that she named 'Darenna'.
1177 AD, Late Spring
Urgent report from Parsia!
While most of action against Rosamana takes place in Helliste, a new army under the banner of winged serpent arrived to lay waste to Parsian villages, under Kris Shostakovik. Parsians once again ask for help.
A) Sorry, my Army's busy elsewhere.
B) I will mobilize my subjects and send reinforcements to Parsia!
C) I'm sure Parsians can win if only we send them some money and supplies.
D) Time to signal the Army to come back south, then.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 06, 2018, 12:33:59 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 06, 2018, 12:34:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 06, 2018, 12:36:51 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 06, 2018, 12:40:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 06, 2018, 12:55:24 pm
professional army means no drafting. >:(
Post by: omada on June 06, 2018, 01:13:04 pm
B
Post by: birdy51 on June 06, 2018, 02:15:43 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 06, 2018, 02:17:38 pm
and nice.
Hrmm. You know, that king of Helliste is really young. Do you think our daughter might want to meet him?
Post by: Weirdsound on June 06, 2018, 04:19:14 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 06, 2018, 09:26:27 pm
Hrmm. You know, that king of Helliste is really young. Do you think our daughter might want to meet him?
Good idea. We might even get some contact with the merchants dealing with Gan Minsong out of the deal.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 06, 2018, 09:32:17 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 07, 2018, 01:56:59 am
B.Hrmm. You know, that king of Helliste is really young. Do you think our daughter might want to meet him?
Good idea. We might even get some contact with the merchants dealing with Gan Minsong out of the deal.
Then we move our armies in after the victory and never leave!
Post by: Rockeater on June 07, 2018, 01:59:11 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 07, 2018, 02:20:27 am
Then we move our armies in after the victory and never leave!
I'd rather not keep our army away from home for too long, lest the Damdamians get any funny ideas. If we can get this new king to marry our daughter, we will not need force, or even the threat of force, to claim Helliste - eventually we can just use elective succession to put the Imperial Crown on some descendant of Cyl the Great who just happens to be the reigning king of Helliste.
Post by: Haspen on June 07, 2018, 08:52:42 am
c
ddd
You order an emergency mobilization to be enacted and the masses sent into Parsia along with fresh recruits and reserve forces.
1177 AD, Summer
Fightining in the far north and far east continues, and casualties are mounting; new cohorts of Rosamana's raiders arrived through north and south of Bloodpeaks, led by new commanders.
Meanwhile, as a group of astronomers from Royal House of Learning has arrived, apparently bringing news of a celestial discovery, one of the guards enters the throne room and bows in respect.
"Lady Empress, a messenger from Orcworld Fortress, saying it is urgent."
First, you decide to deal with matters concerning...
A) The celestial discovery.
B) The alien world of orcs.
Post by: Rockeater on June 07, 2018, 09:06:46 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 07, 2018, 09:13:57 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 07, 2018, 09:22:40 am
B for me
Edit: Huh, don't know where I came up with that. The astronomers are clearly focused on the heavens, not the military. :P
Post by: Criptfeind on June 07, 2018, 09:33:44 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 07, 2018, 10:24:08 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 07, 2018, 10:48:50 am
Post by: Prophet on June 07, 2018, 10:52:09 am
Post by: omada on June 07, 2018, 11:21:32 am
oh wait, there was that weird weather, maybe it's over
let's hope
Post by: Haspen on June 07, 2018, 12:05:41 pm
"Lady Empress! Toxic fumes!"
He elaborates on that toxic fumes have descended along a dust storm upon Orcworld Fortress. If it were fully crewed, there would be hundreds if not more of dead, but from the crew of fifty, half managed to escape with eyes, skin and mouths as if on fire, their skin covered with burning rash.
What's worse, it seems that some of the toxic air is being pushed into the tunnel in the mountains. While soldiers guarding the tunnel experience no symptoms except occassional watering of eyes, the commander of the soldiers on Methiant side of the tunnel is iffy about this whole thing, and is asking to be allowed to bring down the mountain upon the tunnel with copious amount of Fireblood.
A) We can't abandon a strange new world like that!.
B) Put a heavy, protective gate at our side of the tunnel and wait.
C) Fine then, Orcworld was nothing but money sink. Destroy the tunnel!
Post by: birdy51 on June 07, 2018, 12:18:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 07, 2018, 12:19:13 pm
And when the scholars come in next, we should have them send word of the gas back to their peers at the Fireblood court and House of Learning. If we play our cards right, Methiant can have the world's first chemical weapons of mass destruction.
Post by: omada on June 07, 2018, 12:20:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on June 07, 2018, 12:23:04 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 07, 2018, 12:45:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 07, 2018, 12:53:34 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 07, 2018, 01:02:53 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 07, 2018, 01:08:36 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 07, 2018, 01:28:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 07, 2018, 01:41:52 pm
This portal has existed for probably hundreds of years at least, given how orcs have pretty much always popped up in the area ever once in a while, and it's not causing a catastrophe yet.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 07, 2018, 02:13:40 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 07, 2018, 02:34:59 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 07, 2018, 03:03:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 07, 2018, 03:07:58 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 07, 2018, 05:36:32 pm
Post by: Imic on June 08, 2018, 12:17:39 pm
An airproof magic one built and enchanted by Dwarves, preferably. Set it to explode also, just in case.
Post by: Haspen on June 08, 2018, 02:57:32 pm
Once the messenger leaves with your orders, the astronomers come in.
"Gracious Empress! Thanks to our research, funded by you, we were able to come with a tremendous discovery!" They open up some charts and scrolls, and the head astronomer, Olwyn Enneinach, points to a a schematic of two dots with numbers and names and angles all about it.
"My Lady Empress, our world moves around our sun, not the other way as perceived before!"
A) Obviously they're lying. Everyone sees the sun circles the world!
B) Intriguing. Maybe they can tell me more?
C) They must be rewarded for their discovery. More funding to the House of Learning!
D) This is nice, now don't bother me with such trivia.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 08, 2018, 03:02:01 pm
D
Post by: Rockeater on June 08, 2018, 03:04:36 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 08, 2018, 03:08:31 pm
Post by: omada on June 08, 2018, 03:28:07 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 08, 2018, 03:32:36 pm
B
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 08, 2018, 03:41:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 08, 2018, 03:44:19 pm
I'm usually curious what the continuation will be, but this one feels like it might upset the religious leaders. Not while the army is away, please.
Post by: birdy51 on June 08, 2018, 03:48:14 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 08, 2018, 03:51:31 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 08, 2018, 04:17:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 08, 2018, 04:55:26 pm
Moar knowledge can't hurt. If we roll high, we might have an option to stall for time. I'd rather not take on the church while our army is away.
Post by: milo christiansen on June 08, 2018, 08:14:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 08, 2018, 08:34:42 pm
B Hopefully this leads to issues for the pantheon, maybe tie them up in an internal doctrinal struggle so we can chop them down to size.
More likely they make demands that we suppress this heressy, and without our army at home, we have no means to prevent them from bullying us like they did our first husband.
Hence an option to stall for time, such as asking them to write up their discoveries in an exhaustive tome before they go public, would be nice. Hopefully the dice favor us on B.
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 02:41:55 am
However, they're a bit tense about public knowledge of their project; both Alldivines and Damedians would see that as heresy, considering that both have the Sun as house of Father (Damed) or Divine Palace (Alldivines) which circle the world for good of their worshippers.
A) Eh, that's all? Please don't bother me next time.
B) Heresies will only stir trouble within and outside Methiant. I must supress their work!
C) We're doing sciences, and sciences are good! We should have this knowledge spread around as soon as possible.
Post by: Rockeater on June 10, 2018, 02:48:38 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 10, 2018, 03:03:42 am
C For divine science!
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 03:04:39 am
our world to revolve around the house/palace of the gods
HE SPEAKS AGAINST THE WORD OF THE HOLY BOOKS!
BURN THE WITCH!
:P
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 10, 2018, 03:10:20 am
our world to revolve around the house/palace of the gods
HE SPEAKS AGAINST THE WORD OF THE HOLY BOOKS!
BURN THE WITCH!
:P
Yes that is the plan!
Post by: Kashyyk on June 10, 2018, 03:28:39 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 10, 2018, 03:35:44 am
Fuck the church
Post by: ZBridges on June 10, 2018, 04:00:44 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 10, 2018, 04:14:00 am
Post by: andrea on June 10, 2018, 04:26:37 am
Post by: Taricus on June 10, 2018, 05:52:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 10, 2018, 05:55:35 am
we have had issues with pantheonists, this decision seems like it would anger alldivines and damedians, which have a lower presenceSo that all religions are equally mad at us? Why don't we start summoning demons, too?
Oh, wait...
A
I wanted to keep them distant to start with, for plausible deniability.
"Oh, of course I got a report, but who reads those things? The sun, you say? Isn't it where the gods live? Why would I need to know more about that?"
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 10, 2018, 06:29:00 am
because
if those are other planets
WE MUST CONQUER THEM
Post by: helmacon on June 10, 2018, 07:20:45 am
can we fund a project to cross reference this with the orc world stars?
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 07:49:50 am
C
can we fund a project to cross reference this with the orc world stars?
"Sir, using this primitive telescope and an abacus, we have, indeed, are able to prove that our worlds have different stars in the sky, just like night-gazing explorers decades ago have noticed."
I mean I don't see how there could be a different outcome :P
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 10, 2018, 10:02:28 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 10, 2018, 10:03:57 am
"Sir, using this primitive telescope and an abacus, we have, indeed, are able to prove that our worlds have different stars in the sky, just like night-gazing explorers decades ago have noticed."I think that helmacon meant to try to see whether the stars can be matched up to prove that Orcworld is or isn't in the same galaxy.
I mean I don't see how there could be a different outcome :P
This would be completely beyond our geometrical capabilities even if it is, of course.
Post by: omada on June 10, 2018, 11:25:46 am
Post by: Baffler on June 10, 2018, 11:39:30 am
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 11:44:45 am
1177 AD, Midsummer
Apparently, fighting flared up in the northeast.
Meanwhile, your soldiers have set up a heavy metal gate at the entrance to the tunnel leading into Orcworld.
1177 AD, Late Summer
Peace! Peace is coming to Helliste and Parsia and Cydwyl and everywhere, because Cyl met with emissaries of Rosamana; it has been decided that Rosamana will get easternmost of Helliste territories, and an 'inviolate promise' was written for all sides involved that Western peoples stay on western side of Bloodpeak Mountains, while Agaresians and other subjects of Rosamana are allowed free reign east of aforementioned mountains. Rosamana in return agreed to pay rather small sum of money as 'reparations' for damage she and her raiders did to Helliste.
This treaty has been already approved by Aubjorn of Helliste (against wishes of his merchant nobles) and noblemen of Parsia.Your Vizier in Parsia reports that he was unware of the nobles participating, nor that they consulted with him for any of these diplomatic matters.
As for war with Rosamana...
A) I don't see anywhere that Methiant agreed to it! Onwards, we drive the eastern savages out!
B) Obviously, the war's ended. No point letting our men wander the wastelands far from their homes!
C) Rosamana have not signed a treaty with us yet. I ought to have some gains from this war!
As for Parsian 'free will'...
A) Milk's spilled, no point crying over it.
B) Warn them that next time this won't be tolerated.
C) Demand tribute for your neighbour's independent thought.
As for Cyl's involvement and lack of cooperation with you...
A) An insult to myself, to Methiant, and Emperor's office! Get me a priest; the marriage's annulled!
B) He better prepare some onions and ale because I'm preparing some harsh words and a rolling pin for when he's back home!
C) He is a politician and a talker, and he did politics and talking. Am I to punish him for doing his work properly?
//Forums derped and the post was mangled, but now all's fixed.
Post by: helmacon on June 10, 2018, 11:48:37 am
seriously. It seems like our army is fighting for everyone but us now days.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 10, 2018, 11:55:29 am
B
C
This war is just way too far away to really care that properly.
Post by: omada on June 10, 2018, 11:59:26 am
BBC
Post by: mightymushroom on June 10, 2018, 12:00:29 pm
I don't like opposing Cyl and his bonus to seduce us no matter how mad we get.
seriously. It seems like our army is fighting for everyone but us now days.
Because we forged peace with our neighbors, so we only have allies to defend rather than targets. Thus the political marriage chicanery that hasn't quite paid off yet.
Post by: crazyabe on June 10, 2018, 12:04:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 10, 2018, 12:10:37 pm
Post by: Rockeater on June 10, 2018, 12:12:45 pm
Post by: Taricus on June 10, 2018, 12:45:05 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 10, 2018, 01:03:38 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 10, 2018, 01:23:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 10, 2018, 02:03:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 03:19:50 pm
1177 AD, Autumn
Troops returned to Methiant, while Parsians sent you a written letter of apology.
Cyl has remained in Cydwyl for now, but there came a messenger that he will visit you by Winter.
1177 AD, Mid-Autumn
Diplomatic corps bring news from the Kingdom of Ysirene. Apparently, they heard of the quality of glasswares you produce, and are interested in procuring them in exchange for hard, locally minted, cash.
A) Sure, money is always welcome.
B) Nah, we don't need any trading done at the moment.
C) I might be interested if they have something else than cash to offer.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 10, 2018, 03:21:02 pm
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Post by: helmacon on June 10, 2018, 03:36:48 pm
we can airways still do A if they don't.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 10, 2018, 03:41:17 pm
Some cash flow would be nice.
Post by: ZBridges on June 10, 2018, 03:44:54 pm
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Post by: Haspen on June 10, 2018, 03:53:04 pm
1177 AD, Winter
Cyl has arrived at the palace with a small entourage of guards.
Once you two exchange saliva after months of not doing so, he sits on the chair across from your bed, where you're busy lounging. He looks extremely satisfied of something.
"My dearest, I have great news... I have successfully convinced noble families of Cydwyl to accept the rule of Methiantese Emperor."
"Emperor."
"Yes..." Your love and King grimaces. "Unfortunately, they're protectively clutching the laws of male rulership, and will simply elect their own King if a woman tries to connect both nations under one crown."
A) "Then it seems we must reevaluate our relationship... I hope we can still be friends."
B) "How about we will start working on a future Emperor, hmmm~?"
C) "I must insist. I have two daughters, one by you; she is your only child too. Your noblemen must yield!"
Post by: Criptfeind on June 10, 2018, 03:54:00 pm
Actually, my first thought was a hard C here, but we went elective succession specifically so we can pull bullshit like this.
In our country girls CAN inherit but the first born doesn't HAVE too inherit. So if we want, there's no harm is making a son and then electing them.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 10, 2018, 03:54:09 pm
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Next morning, after you get your hair done, you receive reports from the Treasurer; gold and silver and gemstones safely arrived in the Treasury, while loads of glasswork were sent south, skirting Ironbone Mountains and into Ysirene.
After a week of stay (and week of wearing down the bed), Cyl has to bid you farewell and return to govern his own country. You have a feeling that you two have succeed in your task, but of course time will prove (or disprove) your hard work.
1177 AD, Midwinter
A young but renowned sculptor, Auld Gwennyn, has arrived at your palace. You grant him audience, and he kisses your royal signet.
"My lady Empress! I'm about to set out and create my most glorious of marble sculptures, which will stand in the city of Tech, and is to represent Yoe II as mighty general who helped shape the core of Methiant into what it is today. Alas, as much as my fortune goes, I'm lacking money, so per Edict of yours, have come to you with a request for sponsorship!"
You decide to...
A) Sponsor the sculptor, may he create a true masterpiece!
B) Deny his request, you're not running a charity here.
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Post by: Weirdsound on June 10, 2018, 05:13:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 10, 2018, 05:18:11 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 11, 2018, 02:49:54 am
B
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Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2018, 07:25:03 am
A week later, after checking your body several times and finding no bloody stains on your clothes and bed, you are faced with obvious conclusion while your bedchamber maidens squee with joy. You're pregnant once more! It seems that nature can find a way even if time spent in bed with Cyl can be measured in hours per year, at most.
How about writing him a letter?
A) Obviously, he needs to be informed.
B) Let's surprise him this time.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 11, 2018, 07:28:39 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2018, 07:34:09 am
Post by: Rockeater on June 11, 2018, 07:46:01 am
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2018, 08:02:19 am
You send Cyl a letter.
1177 AD, Late Winter
And a response arrives. If nothing stops him, Cyl will arrive in first days of Autumn to witness the birth of his next child.
Also, the Cartography school has been set up and the wise heads and brave explorers within its walls are already updating the royal map and considering a map-making expedition.
1177 AD, End of the Year
The blizzard rages outside the palace today, a perfect backdrop for the routine visit from Advisor and Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 7
Population: 6
Economy: 5
Army: 5
Imp.Authority: +1
"Unfortunately, Lady Empress, this year the Army saw few recruits coming to refill the ranks decimated by the bloody conflict against Rosamana and her lizard raiders."
"However, your Authority is still high. Do you wish to issue an Edict?"
A) Yeh.
B) Naw.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 11, 2018, 08:06:34 am
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Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
Establish Religion Tax: (once in effect: 1154 - 1172 AD)
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Post by: crazyabe on June 11, 2018, 08:38:48 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 11, 2018, 08:40:44 am
Revoke Council of Statesmen
An opportunity to arrogate more power (back) to the throne, you say?!
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 11, 2018, 08:46:59 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 11, 2018, 08:56:53 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2018, 10:08:48 am
Lets wait for our stats to recover a bit before we even consider the bill of rights... And we've got nothing else that we can do anyway that's worth thinking about.
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2018, 10:11:20 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on June 11, 2018, 10:54:22 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 11, 2018, 11:24:29 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 11, 2018, 11:39:54 am
We have four years until we can legally re-establish freedom of Religion. Until then, I don't see any edict that excites me all that much. Bill of Rights might lead to more edicts to choose from, but I don't want to enact that without either a full +2 authority or a large army to fend off the consequences, so not this year.
Post by: Taricus on June 11, 2018, 12:01:44 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on June 11, 2018, 12:03:59 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 11, 2018, 12:11:33 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 11, 2018, 12:34:50 pm
Post by: omada on June 11, 2018, 01:24:43 pm
No edicts
and let's wait for our kid to have +2 imperial authority and then we screw back the pantheonists with edicts and our glorious army
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2018, 03:33:08 pm
1178 AD, Spring
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Silverwork brings some profits to the Treasury.
Meanwhile, captain of the guard of the capital city pays you a visit. Some man called Roc Albaget, a wanderer with naught but stick and old robe, is claiming that calamity is soon to come to Methiant and people need to act to prevent it. Normally people wouldn't pay attention to random street-loitering doomsayer, but he served at one of Pantheon Oracles for almost twenty years, and thus some are a bit disturbed by his words.
The captain of the city guard asks what to do with this Roc the Doomsayer.
A) He is stirring up trouble and destabilizes the country! To dungeon with him!
B) A retired oracle predicts doom in near future? Does he offer free consultations?
C) Remove him from capital city, he is a nuisance that upsets my loyal subjects.
Post by: crazyabe on June 11, 2018, 03:35:51 pm
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Post by: ZBridges on June 11, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 11, 2018, 04:09:07 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 11, 2018, 04:10:02 pm
I kind of miss being vaguely religious. Let's listen to his ramblings.
Post by: Rockeater on June 11, 2018, 04:12:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 11, 2018, 04:13:47 pm
B
I kind of miss being vaguely religious. Let's listen to his ramblings.
I'm pretty sure Ruberta is explicitly religious. She prayed to the Pantheon for fertility with her new husband, and called upon the Oracles to sort out the recent Orc World mess.
Post by: Imic on June 11, 2018, 04:40:03 pm
The past is in the past, and the Pantheonist clergy has settled down. The old generation of priests must have died out or become crazy doom-speakers.B
I kind of miss being vaguely religious. Let's listen to his ramblings.
I'm pretty sure Ruberta is explicitly religious. She prayed to the Pantheon for fertility with her new husband, and called upon the Oracles to sort out the recent Orc World mess.
B
Post by: omada on June 11, 2018, 05:01:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 11, 2018, 05:38:59 pm
Next afternoon, Roc Albaget enters your audience room. He is bald, except a short beard, has cold blue eyes and rather excessive amount of golden earrings in his ears. He knees in front of you.
"My Lady Empress, doom approaches! A vicious beast will soon awaken from its slumber in the mountains near Methiant and begin its rampage across our peaceful countryside!"
"Oh no!" You say, as courtiers murmur. "But when that will happen?"
"Very soon, Lady Empress!"
"Uh, and where the beast sleeps?"
"In mountains near Methiant!"
You squint eyes at him. He isn't a very good seer-
"I know what you might be thinking, Lady Empress, but I'm a good seer! If you want further proof - I can tell you the gender of the child inside your womb! I can tell you about his future!"
A) "No... no, that, that won't be necessary." Ask someone to politely escort this lunatic outta the palace (and outside the capital, while they're at it).
B) "Your information is of most importance. Continue, please, I'm intrigued!"
C) "You wasted my time with your insane ramblings, and stirred hearts of my people into fear! To the dungeon with you, at once!!"
Post by: crazyabe on June 11, 2018, 05:52:54 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 11, 2018, 05:58:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 11, 2018, 06:20:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 11, 2018, 06:24:00 pm
b
Post by: ZBridges on June 11, 2018, 06:41:04 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 11, 2018, 07:05:44 pm
I mean, he will have to be more specific. We have had a LOT of beasts these days. But maybe he could give us a gender reveal early... Or reveal his own lack of prescient sight!
Post by: Weirdsound on June 11, 2018, 07:51:56 pm
Anyway, B.
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 12, 2018, 02:14:02 am
B
Post by: Imic on June 12, 2018, 02:58:29 am
Post by: Haspen on June 12, 2018, 03:12:47 am
Roc mumbles some words and looks toward the windows, then mumbles some more, then walks around the throne room before sharply turning to you.
"He will be a boy, Lady Empress. He will become a skilled warrior and renowned general, and he will leave behind many children, and he will have a long life." He speaks with confidence and conviction.
Some of your courtiers murmur, few even snicker; it's expected of any King to become a great warrior and have many children, after all.
You decide to...
A) Invite Roc to become the court seer.
B) Dungeon the charlatan.
C) Dismiss the babbling lunatic.
Post by: helmacon on June 12, 2018, 03:54:43 am
a few predictions = cool
Relying on predictions = dangerous
Can we dismiss him without calling him a babbling lunatic? Just " ok. Thank you for your warnings. We will consider them carefully"
Post by: Imic on June 12, 2018, 03:58:59 am
Can we dismiss him without calling him a babbling lunatic? Just " ok. Thank you for your warnings. We will consider them carefully"+1
Post by: melkor on June 12, 2018, 04:18:47 am
+1Can we dismiss him without calling him a babbling lunatic? Just " ok. Thank you for your warnings. We will consider them carefully"+1
Post by: ZBridges on June 12, 2018, 04:20:34 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 12, 2018, 04:57:28 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 12, 2018, 05:28:17 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 12, 2018, 06:42:03 am
C
Thanks for the warning, but if you don't have any specific course of action to recommend, we'll just keep relying on our network of highly trained monster spotters and Fireblood engines.
Post by: Haspen on June 12, 2018, 07:00:19 am
He leaves without a word.
1178 AD, Mid-Spring
An emissary from Gubta has arrived; a fat man in gaudily colored clothes.
"Greetings to you, Empress of Methiant. My master, Emperor Rakaji III, blessed be his name, has heard that your bontiful land has lots of coin to offer. Therefore he has sent me to inquire whether you and your court would be interested in exotic spices of many tastes and many colors. Emperor Rakaji III, blessed be his name, hopes that this trade agreement could bring our nations together, because the previous dynasty, scoundrels and tyrants they were, maintained close and beneficial relations with a Kingdom that was called Luathbas."
A) "I'm not interested in spices, but I'm sure your Emperor has other exotic things to offer?"
B) "Sweet, sour and hot spices! Something I was craving for weeks now. Let's trade!"
C) "Roots and powders, no matter how aromatic and luxurious, are not needed in Methiant."
Post by: mightymushroom on June 12, 2018, 07:12:50 am
The happiness will likely pay for itself!
Post by: Criptfeind on June 12, 2018, 07:17:25 am
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Post by: helmacon on June 12, 2018, 07:50:24 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 12, 2018, 09:11:26 am
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Post by: Hotfire90 on June 12, 2018, 10:38:57 am
Post by: omada on June 12, 2018, 02:59:10 pm
MONEY AND HAPINESS
Post by: Prophet on June 12, 2018, 11:24:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 13, 2018, 09:34:59 am
1178 AD, Late Spring
Cuduthleng Ironbeak has awaken in the Hurthling mountains!
The enormous skeletal raven instills terror in those who look into its pitch black eye sockets. Its iron-like metallic beak drips acidic waste that withers and devours all living tissue it falls upon. What's even worse, the beast can produce gusts of tree-toppling wind by motion of its wings of marrow!
Hurthling villages and farmlands are being devastated by this monstrous bird skeleton, as it takes great joy in pursuing and destroying the living.
A) A pack of lvl30+ adventurers is what we need in this situation.
B) A wizard! A wizard! A kingdom for a wizard, please!
C) Unfortunately for any megabeast, we happen to have heavy artillery at ready.
D) We should wait, maybe it will wander away on its own?
E) Time to send my equally monstrous Flying Horse to defeat the Ironbeak!
Post by: crazyabe on June 13, 2018, 09:38:11 am
Post by: Rockeater on June 13, 2018, 09:38:31 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 13, 2018, 09:41:04 am
C Heavy artillery blow out its wings and then send in our flying horsey.
(not C just wait)
Post by: Prophet on June 13, 2018, 09:42:34 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 13, 2018, 09:46:54 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 13, 2018, 09:47:38 am
Post by: Haspen on June 13, 2018, 09:52:21 am
Don't we have a laser horse for situations like this?
I keep forgetting about it ;v
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 13, 2018, 09:54:11 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 13, 2018, 09:55:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 13, 2018, 10:08:59 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 13, 2018, 10:19:12 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 13, 2018, 10:36:47 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on June 13, 2018, 10:38:11 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 13, 2018, 10:58:22 am
Also, doomsday guy was not wrong... Hopefully he will be right about that kid we are about to have.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 13, 2018, 11:13:58 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 13, 2018, 11:28:53 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 13, 2018, 12:38:14 pm
C okay I actually want B
I have a feeling a Wizard will just chew us out and blame our troubles on our dealings with the sorceress, and might even demand the removal of the Laser Horse as payment for his services.
Also, we probably shouldn't embark on a wizard quest while preggers.
Post by: Haspen on June 13, 2018, 12:43:08 pm
1178 AD, Summer
Two reports come in.
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The first is about glasswork sales in Ysirene; it sold quite well.
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The second is from your Army, which completely failed against Ironbeak! The skeletal raven killed thousands of soldiers and laid waste to numerous settlements before your men gave up on attacking it. Already people across Methiant complain what a waste of life, time and materiel it was.
A) Clearly, a discrete party of lvl30+ adventurers will do the trick.
B) FLYING HORSE, I CHOOSE YOU! *K-PYOOOOSH*
C) We need to wait a bit longer, it will wander away.
D) Is this when I call up a Wizard to solve this problem?
Post by: Rockeater on June 13, 2018, 12:44:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 13, 2018, 12:46:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 13, 2018, 12:53:22 pm
B - It's what we bought it for!
What about "gusts of tree-toppling wind" leads you to think our expensive, flying horse is a good risk?
A
Post by: Fluffe9911 on June 13, 2018, 12:53:37 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 13, 2018, 12:54:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 13, 2018, 12:56:07 pm
What about "gusts of tree-toppling wind" leads you to think our expensive, flying horse is a good risk?
A
You reckon someone on the ground would fare better?
Post by: helmacon on June 13, 2018, 01:16:49 pm
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Post by: Baffler on June 13, 2018, 02:21:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 13, 2018, 02:40:38 pm
You reckon someone on the ground would fare better?
Yeah, I reckon a party of adventurers can encircle it and find a weak spot while being less exposed overall than a single aerial target.
Post by: milo christiansen on June 14, 2018, 01:54:56 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 14, 2018, 01:57:17 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 14, 2018, 02:06:51 am
It seems cannons are never that useful against forgotten beasts.
Post by: Haspen on June 14, 2018, 03:00:49 am
bbbbbb
You release the Flying Horse from its
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Few days later you receive joyous news - Cuduthleng Ironbeak has been slain! It's skeletal body, unfortunately, fell upon a small town, destroying few buildings; but worse happened when peasants and Hurthlings tried to take apart Ironbeak's massive bones for souvenirs, as the marrow began to rot and released toxic fumes that engulfed the local area, killing people and flora alike.
Nevertheless! The dreaded beast of times forgotten has been slain, and there's much celebration around Methiant.
1178 AD, Midsummer
A group of cartographers, let by wise Iónach Tennech, has arrived at the capital, asking for audience.
"Great Empress!" The scholars, led by Iónach, drop to their knees. "We wish to embark on a journey far south into lands of Damdamians. We wish to chart their lands, learn the borders of their numerous nations, and find the strange 'cocoa' plants and 'black elves' that some obscure documents of old sages speak of. But for this we need funds, to procure mercenaries, pay any possible tolls and taxes as well as convince potentially uncooperative scholars in the south. A written document of endorsement from you would help us in dealings with politicians down there, too."
A) "You can have the money, but I won't risk signing my name under any potential disasters you cause in the south."
B) "We're short on money, but I will gladly provide you with documents to give your group some diplomatic power."
C) "That is good. You will have the money, and you will have written endorsement as well!"
D) "No."
Post by: helmacon on June 14, 2018, 03:11:55 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 14, 2018, 03:12:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 14, 2018, 03:28:45 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 14, 2018, 04:37:23 am
Plus trade?
B
Post by: crazyabe on June 14, 2018, 06:25:16 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 14, 2018, 07:22:47 am
Hopefully, they have safe and sane travels.
Post by: Taricus on June 14, 2018, 08:06:13 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 14, 2018, 08:36:17 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 14, 2018, 08:55:25 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 14, 2018, 10:08:37 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 14, 2018, 11:06:00 am
Honestly, unless they cause trouble while passing through Rucus, we should be more or less fine. Rucus is aligned with Eldrican, which is our Kin, so they probably would need a better reason than "they offended some other Damdamian peoples" to make war on us and risk their alliance.
Of course if they do decide to make war on us while our army is diminished, we are completely fucked.
Post by: Imic on June 14, 2018, 03:44:20 pm
Post by: omada on June 14, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
2 bring that seer back to the castle, he wasn't a lunatic
Post by: Haspen on June 16, 2018, 11:37:03 am
Exactly five mornings later, they set out to the south.
1178 AD, Autumn
As you prepare to head to the audience room to meet with the newly-arrived Gubtan traders, you suddenlt feel way-too-familiar pain in your abdomen. The Advisor helps you sit down on a bench that was nearby, as you feel the child in your womb stir.
It seems another little explorer wants out! Why it must always be at the most inconvenient of times, though?
A) I'm needed at a very important meeting and Cyl isn't around yet. Baby, shush!
B) Call up the nurses and order some hot water and towels to be brought!
Post by: crazyabe on June 16, 2018, 11:49:05 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 16, 2018, 11:50:52 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 16, 2018, 12:07:23 pm
A) I'm needed at a very important meeting and Cyl isn't around yet. Baby, shush!
Did Cyl even send word that he is coming this time? I don't recall seeing that. Either way, I thought we already agreed to the trade in principle, so I'm not sure why this meeting is importnat. B.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 16, 2018, 12:15:28 pm
Did Cyl even send word that he is coming this time? I don't recall seeing that.Yes.
And a response arrives. If nothing stops him, Cyl will arrive in first days of Autumn to witness the birth of his next child.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 16, 2018, 12:30:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 16, 2018, 12:53:47 pm
All part of being an Empress. Our schedule would entirely fill up if we let it, we have to make time for our priorities.
And one priority is not delivering in the middle of the conference room.
(Just as well Cyl didn't arrive, it'd be one more thing he'd agree to without asking first.)
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 16, 2018, 01:11:28 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 16, 2018, 01:22:59 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 16, 2018, 02:27:23 pm
We have a hearing with our baby first. Then we can bring them in IF we are still lucid.
Also, surprised that noble's stone didn't help us stay healthy. I fear it was a sham after all.
Post by: Rockeater on June 16, 2018, 02:46:50 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 16, 2018, 02:47:10 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 16, 2018, 02:48:37 pm
Also, surprised that noble's stone didn't help us stay healthy. I fear it was a sham after all.
I don't see anything about illness, just birthing pains. It's not even premature.
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 16, 2018, 02:56:10 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 16, 2018, 03:15:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 16, 2018, 03:43:07 pm
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You're rushed to one of your bedrooms, where you give birth.
Just like all other times, the pain is unbearable. You swear, sweat, curse and scream, as the healers and nurses bring out the little one out of your womb and into the world. They you hear its healthy squeal, just as a wave of relief goes over you, diminishing the pain a little bit. After a while, the child is brought into your hands.
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Heads
You look at the precious little boy, neatly wrapped in a towel, Yes, he is the future Emperor of all Methiant; he no longer cries, feeling safe in your loving embrace.
Cyl is late, he will be dissappointed to not have been here at this very moment. As the ancient tradition dictates, you should now think of a name for your first son...
A) Houlandin
B) Cyl
C) Luath
D) Estwalf
E) Lech
F) Odain
G) Llewyn
H) Feodh
I) Ceodwell
J) Romuald
K) (submit your own)
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 16, 2018, 03:46:11 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 16, 2018, 03:48:51 pm
It is the only logical choice!
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 16, 2018, 03:51:54 pm
K - Doge! (Male form of Dogethe)+1
It is the only logical choice!
Post by: birdy51 on June 16, 2018, 03:57:38 pm
much majesty. wow.
Post by: Imic on June 16, 2018, 04:00:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 16, 2018, 04:10:23 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 16, 2018, 04:19:18 pm
Post by: Taricus on June 16, 2018, 04:25:09 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 16, 2018, 04:38:38 pm
K - Doge! (Male form of Dogethe)+1
It is the only logical choice!
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on June 16, 2018, 04:39:11 pm
K - Doge! (Male form of Dogethe)+1
It is the only logical choice!
Post by: Weirdsound on June 16, 2018, 04:41:27 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 16, 2018, 05:10:04 pm
Post by: omada on June 16, 2018, 06:06:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/6XCK56W.jpg)
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 16, 2018, 06:54:57 pm
K - Doge! (Male form of Dogethe)+1
It is the only logical choice!
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 16, 2018, 09:23:39 pm
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Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 02:47:20 am
There's good memery, and then there's bad memery.
You name him Doge, after an archaic forms of Doga and Dogethe.
Next day, you learn that the statesmen, and especially Commissioner of Trade, have accepted Gubtan spices. The Trade Commission managed to wrangle best prices for Methiant, which made them less than stellar in eyes of the Gubtan traders.
"My Lady Empress," The Commissioner begins as you audience him in your chambers. "Spices, unlike gold or wine, do not come in great quantities. Should we sell them, to our lower classes of craftsmen and merchants, who are aplenty, or to the nobles, who will pay more for them?"
A) "We must appease the people!"
B) "Noble coin is the best coin!"
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2018, 02:49:10 am
Post by: helmacon on June 17, 2018, 03:36:38 am
Our happiness is doing OK at the moment.
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2018, 07:28:40 am
We should support our burgeoning middle class.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 17, 2018, 09:21:25 am
Our happiness is doing OK at the moment.
True. But our sources of happiness recently have mostly been glasswares, now exported to Ysirene, or our Tiftit Springwine, and goodness only knows what the monster attack did there.
B for now, and hoping we can revisit this decision if conditions warrant.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 17, 2018, 09:30:59 am
More money is more good. And hopefully the Calendar of Festivities can bring our happiness up for cash if we need it.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2018, 10:25:28 am
Our happiness unlikely to be an issue soon.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 17, 2018, 10:57:33 am
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 11:14:40 am
The same evening, an exhausted messenger has arrived, bringing the worst of news; King Cyl of Cydwyl is deadly ill!
What has begun as a fever after staying outside during a rain developed in illness of lungs, weakness of joints and now, your husband lies bedridden in the Cydwyllian royal palace. Cydwyllian healers are working around him every hour while his court is patiently awaiting his full recovery, of course.
As for Cyl's illness...
A) Send him a letter of support.
B) Send him the healing gemstone.
C) Pack up and visit him at his palace.
D) Pack up, your children too, and visit him at his palace.
That reminds you of one thing, that you should...
A) Announce that Prince Doge is the heir to the throne of Methiantese Empire.
B) Always wear warm clothing when the weather's bad.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 17, 2018, 11:16:00 am
Post by: Rockeater on June 17, 2018, 11:16:57 am
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 11:19:29 am
DB I assume the stone come with us right?
Sure v;
Post by: mightymushroom on June 17, 2018, 11:21:58 am
D A
This is the heir those
Addendum: But don't for a minute think that means Mom isn't bundling up her kids in those cold autumn rains.
I'm looking at you, Rinilda. The babies are still babies, you're old enough to show responsibility if you want to marry well and outfight your devil-possessed husband to become ruler of a mighty nation. So button that jacket, missy.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2018, 11:35:11 am
We can travel faster if it is just us and the winged horse, and we shouldn't bring the kids unless what he has is contagious.
Post by: helmacon on June 17, 2018, 11:37:10 am
honestly, now that we have the kids we need, him dying is the most convenient thing. He is a little too charismatic for my likeings.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 17, 2018, 11:42:50 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 17, 2018, 11:50:05 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on June 17, 2018, 12:03:51 pm
Post by: Taricus on June 17, 2018, 12:47:14 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2018, 12:59:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 02:51:09 pm
D, A Nothing says we can't be the kid's regent for Cydwyl >:D
Cydwyllian inheritance law and Cyl's court will v:
You pack the clothes, the documents, the entourage and the kids, and haul yo bodice to Cyl's side at once.
A week later, the Cydwyllian capital welcomes you. The court nobles lead you to Cyl's bed in his quarters.
He looks weak, and the healers say that while his condition is stable, and you mention to them that you have a healing stone with you that could help. The medics look at the supposedly magical item with doubt but place it by his headrest.
Cyl smiles and touches Prince Doge's cheek, and then he sighs and closes his eyes. The healers rush to his side while you, numb and terrified, are politely rushed out of the bedroom.
A while later you learn that Cyl has fallen asleep. He did you a spook! Something to berate him for when he leaves the bed.
Next morning the diplomat that is attached to Cydwyl bring you news that the Cydwyllian court has gathered and is discussing possibilities of regency, election of new King, or some other option just in case Cyl would die.
A) They're discussing future of Cydwyl without me!? Intolerable! Time to go and tell them what I think!
B) Let's send our diplomat and politely negotiate concessions just in case someone oppose Methiantese rule.
C) It's internal matter of Cydwyllian court and I'm sure they will reach a reasonable consensus.
D) Let's send our diplomat and threaten use of force if someone tries anything funny!
E) Let's send our diplomat, but only as an observer and to make sure they're aware of our presence.
Post by: helmacon on June 17, 2018, 03:01:00 pm
Our own presence might seem intrusive, but we need to represent and argue for our interests here.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 17, 2018, 03:04:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2018, 03:08:21 pm
Lets have our diplomat observe.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 17, 2018, 03:15:29 pm
We may point out that as Queen Consort and Mother of the Heir Apparent we have a rightful place in the Cydwyllian court.
A
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2018, 03:18:52 pm
This is acceptable meddling.
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2018, 03:51:07 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 17, 2018, 04:09:19 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 17, 2018, 04:11:25 pm
Post by: Taricus on June 17, 2018, 04:44:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 06:03:54 pm
Few hours later, the diplomat comes back. He comments that the Cydwyllian nobles were (slightly) impressed that you sent him to negotiate instead of doing something more direct, and thus he had little trouble in negotiations.
The noblemen, unfortunately, were annoyingly insistent on protecting the patriarchal traditions and Cydwyllian sovereignty, and will not hand the throne to you nor will accept you as Doge's regent in Cydwyl.
Instead, till Prince Doge reaches adulthood, a regency council of Cydwyllian noblemen will rule the kingdom, with Queen Eirika as its leader; the woman's age, wisdom and public support still having an impact on local aristocracy. When your son becomes a legal adult at the age of fifteen, only then the noblemen of Cydwyl will hand him the King's crown.
The diplomat also reports that he heard ideas being tossed around about going to war against Methiant to determine who rules what, as well as creation of vassal duchies, and independent duchies, to give those unwilling to submit to Methiant somewhere to live. Some of the less seriously-taken noblemen even loudly considered passing the crown to someone in Helliste or Albionese royal families.
Ultimately, however, Cyl's court decided on that regency council thing. All of this, of course, will not come to fruition if Cyl survives his bout of pneumonia.
A) Unacceptable!
B) Sounds okay.
Post by: crazyabe on June 17, 2018, 06:06:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2018, 06:07:21 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 17, 2018, 06:07:47 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 17, 2018, 06:10:45 pm
B
We just need to build up an army to ensure proper transfer of power, then immediately step down when Doge reaches adulthood so he can rule both nations at once.
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2018, 06:11:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 17, 2018, 06:16:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2018, 06:23:57 pm
Though if Cyl survives, we should demand that he punishes the nobles who were throwing the idea of war around.
Erika is almost 60 years old. I am more than a little worried about what happens if she dies before Doge comes of age, but these concerns are not worth pissing off the nobles and throwing away all the progress towards annexing Cydwyl that we have made since we shipped Erika off be queen of that land.
Post by: Haspen on June 17, 2018, 06:47:24 pm
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In few days time, Cyl rises from the bed. His illness gave way to his youth and health and he is back on his feet.
Once you detail to him that even at his darkest hour, his noblemen were trying to destabilize the country, Cyl chuckles.
"You see, in the south, peoples of Methiant, and those from nations before it, were mostly concerned about procedural correctness and authority of the throne. Up here though, it's all about family ties, priviledges and traditions. Dogethe was first and only person to shook Cydwyl up a little, what with being woman that's leading from a throne as well as on batttlefield. They're still rooted in traditional ways of living and Pantheon worship. Did you know, that some noble families considered taking up arms against Methiant during that time when Yoe III fought against the Pantheon clergy in Methiant? My brother however, stopped them from doing so." Cyl shushed little Doge in his arms, who squealed aloud for no reason.
"Hopefully Doge will be able to integrate Cydwyllian traditionalism with Methiantese innovativeness quite well, otherwise blood will be spilled, over inheritance, or religion, or maybe even something trivial..."
"Are you certain of that?" You ask him, and he sighs.
"Everything's up to this little fella. We must be optimistic." He puts the babby into the craddle and embraces you.
"Sorry for putting you in all this stress, my dear." Cyl embraces you tightly, and you feel much better than anytime in past few days.
In the morning, as you two wake up Cyl's bed, disheveled and sore after tonight's revelry, your husband ponders aloud.
"Are you leaving for Methiant soon?"
A) "Yes, the Imperial throne cannot be vacant."
B) "I can stay a month or two, if you want."
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2018, 06:54:30 pm
The life expectancy of Imperial Princes is rather terrible. We should give Cyl ample opportunity to knock us up with a backup heir.
Post by: crazyabe on June 17, 2018, 06:54:39 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 17, 2018, 06:59:06 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 17, 2018, 07:06:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 17, 2018, 07:16:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 17, 2018, 07:17:04 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 17, 2018, 07:17:27 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 17, 2018, 07:22:07 pm
B
I assume that is who we left in charge.
Post by: helmacon on June 17, 2018, 07:51:32 pm
I dislike being around Cyl's charisma bonus for longer than we have to be.
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2018, 08:45:01 pm
May as well celebrate his good health!
Post by: Taricus on June 17, 2018, 08:49:11 pm
Post by: omada on June 18, 2018, 12:07:52 am
otherwise, backup heir is needed B, and we have time to ask Cyl to make good impressions on us for their courtiers so maybe that can ease things later for doge, and oh, trade deals, we have plenty of gold and silverware to sell, we could offer a nice proxy to this country if Cyl helps us to make amendments on our relation with albionese
OH, and where is that fucking trader that suggested an open market for us? he should had written that as an edict so we can make it happen now that we have no trade deals with rucus again
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 18, 2018, 10:46:46 am
Post by: Haspen on June 19, 2018, 09:37:12 am
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You decide to spend a month with Cyl and Cydwyllian court. During that period, of course, you're rather actively fulfilling marital responsobilities (and Cyl isn't slacking off either).
1178 AD, Mid-Autumn
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You also mingle with the important noblemen at your husband's court. They come to see you as a smart and powerful woman, far from usual visage of 'baby-making doll' that is prevalent in Cydwyllian noble families. The more you socialize with them, the more they come to respect you.
Fortunately for both you and Cyl, neither Methiant nor Cydwyl required any real handling, and your journey home is uneventful.
At your arrival, you receive report from Tiftit Valley; due to damage done by the ravenous monster, this year's harvest will simply not happen.
1178 AD, Late Autumn
You receive a letter from your sister-in-law, Graine, who was married to the heir of Koi, remember that?
Turns out both the father and the boy died as a bout of feverish disease wracked the household. Graine hoped that she could rule the Duchy, what with being widow of the Duke's heir, but apparently Elran V is going to send her back to Methiant and install some Eldrican noble family as next Dukes of Koi.
A) Well, and what can I do about it? It's not my Duchy, you know!
B) I should write a letter to my Eldrican relative and plead to him on behalf of Graine.
C) Yess, all that we always needed. A pretext! Get me the Marshal!!
Post by: Kashyyk on June 19, 2018, 09:42:10 am
Let's go with B. It can't make things worse surely?
Post by: Rockeater on June 19, 2018, 09:46:26 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 19, 2018, 09:55:18 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 19, 2018, 10:02:51 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 19, 2018, 10:07:57 am
He should consider it as a way to continue to shore up his relationship with us, we've accepted that he no longer owes us a huge debt (although did we ever actually get the cash promised to us???) but I'm pretty sure his country can't be considered that well liked in the east.
Post by: Haspen on June 19, 2018, 10:27:50 am
1178 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury; glasswork is sent to Ysirene.
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Then you receive a report from sales on spices, which took some time. Apparently, the coin acquired from your nobles in exchange for access to all the wondrous roots and flowers and leaves equaled that from gold bullion! Your merchants and advisors are sure that they can profit even more, especially that nobles praise your name for accepting such a fine deal.
Meanwhile, a reply from Elran V arrives, along with four wagons of silver. In the reply, he plainly writes that Graine neither has influence nor legal power to remain as sole holder of the title of Duchess, and he will be replacing her despite your request.
He also writes that he apologizes for the slowness in which the silver promise was fulfilled, but the caravan was attached to the letter. Your Treasurer does count up the coins and confirms that its exact amount.
A) But Graine is sister-in-law of Methiantese Empress! What does he mean she has no influence?
B) At least I have the money to comfort myself with. Time to tidy up Graine's quarters for her return.
Post by: Taricus on June 19, 2018, 10:29:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 19, 2018, 10:34:51 am
I'm willing to accept we can't force others to govern their country how we like.
But this is also sorta confirmation to me that the west is sorta shit and we certainly shouldn't help it in the future.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 19, 2018, 10:40:50 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 19, 2018, 10:44:22 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 19, 2018, 10:49:50 am
We would,
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Graine is Martial. International politics aside, I'd actually rather keep her home as a general for those sweet wartime +2s. Lets just marry her off to one of our military officers, and be done it.
Can we do that? I can't recall a choice for anyone else to lead the armies but a ruler's grown child. If you can convince me this is a thing I may change my vote.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 19, 2018, 11:07:24 am
A reconsideration may be in order.
We would,eagerlyafter due consideration of risks, be willing to pledge Methiantese peacekeepers if Elran doesn't feel Graine is strong enough to hold the province on her own. With the mines dried up, it's not like there's anything special that he needs to worry about, now is there?
-----Graine is Martial. International politics aside, I'd actually rather keep her home as a general for those sweet wartime +2s. Lets just marry her off to one of our military officers, and be done it.
Can we do that? I can't recall a choice for anyone else to lead the armies but a ruler's grown child. If you can convince me this is a thing I may change my vote.
That may be true, butI don't recall a moment, (at least in this game, I have not read the entirety of the first two Spamkingdoms), where we had a known Martial character who wasn't the grown child of the current leader to send.
I'm sure if we recall Graine home, and are careful to remind Haspen about her with our constant chatter, we will be allowed to send her to battle next time the need arises. If the four truckloads of silver max out our treasury this year, we could also summon the dwarves to make her an artifact weapon, which would surely be enough to make her into a defacto champion.
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I don't like the idea of pushing Elran too hard. He is aligned with Rucus, who may still have the martial leader who killed Houlandin I, and our army has been diminished by war and megabeast. War with these guys could easily be the end of us.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 19, 2018, 11:34:26 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 19, 2018, 12:16:59 pm
I don't like the idea of pushing Elran too hard. He is aligned with Rucus, who may still have the martial leader who killed Houlandin I, and our army has been diminished by war and megabeast. War with these guys could easily be the end of us.
I'm counting on Option A not mentioning war that things will not escalate that far over this one matter: Elran is still family, after all. I just don't think I like the idea of him picking up the bad habit of Eldrican rulers ignoring us in spite of our history of military cooperation and more royal marriages than any other country has had with Methiant. Let the diplomatic communiqués be exchanged.
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If the four truckloads of silver max out our treasury this year, we could also summon the dwarves to make her an artifact weapon, which would surely be enough to make her into a defacto champion.
Or – and I will probably regret saying this – summoning a Sorceress to get a breeding mate for our flying horse?
(Who says magic is dying out of the world when we can equip an airborne cavalry?)
Post by: Weirdsound on June 19, 2018, 12:33:30 pm
I don't like the idea of pushing Elran too hard. He is aligned with Rucus, who may still have the martial leader who killed Houlandin I, and our army has been diminished by war and megabeast. War with these guys could easily be the end of us.
I'm counting on Option A not mentioning war that things will not escalate that far over this one matter: Elran is still family, after all. I just don't think I like the idea of him picking up the bad habit of Eldrican rulers ignoring us in spite of our history of military cooperation and more royal marriages than any other country has had with Methiant. Let the diplomatic communiqués be exchanged.
That is fair. I'm still frightened enough of the Eldrican/Damdamian alliance that I'd rather just tell him "yes sir" whenever we can afford to do so though, and seeing as Graine probably has value to us at home, we can afford to do so.
QuoteIf the four truckloads of silver max out our treasury this year, we could also summon the dwarves to make her an artifact weapon, which would surely be enough to make her into a defacto champion.
Or – and I will probably regret saying this – summoning a Sorceress to get a breeding mate for our flying horse?
(Who says magic is dying out of the world when we can equip an airborne cavalry?)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that :)
But I'd wait until we go a few years without terrifying magical incident before calling the Sorceress again. The fallout from one Sorceress spell is enough of a pain, and I'm not sure I want to see what the fallout from two at once is.
But here is a list of a few other good ideas, which may or may not be on Haspen's list, of how to spend money if we max out the economy this year.
-Purchase artifact weapon/armor for use in the royal family
-Send a monetary gift to Gubta to thank them for the nice spice deal. We should try to form an alliance , or at least a defensive pact, with Gubta as it would discourage the Damdamians from attacking either of us.
-Expand the glass works so that our glass supply can accommodate our artists, scientists, and merchants at the same time if need be.
-Build a new palace right on our northern border, from which we might rule Methiant, Cyl might rule Cydwyl, and our son might one day rule both.
-Just send the dwarves some gold to try to be their friends. If their traditional Eldrican allies are practicing the dwarf hating Damdamian faith, they might be willing to forget their issues with past Methianese leaders and regularly offer us their business. We know they have fireblood stuffs to rade, and I eventually want those.
Post by: omada on June 19, 2018, 02:14:05 pm
-I think the hostile magic infusion has already passed, our scepter must have been calming magical weather, and we already got a beast attack, starting our mating program might be better the sooner as possible
-Did gutba got reinforced? they were screwed by yrisene and parsia, I don't think they might be a good military ally unless they decide that for payment of military help they give, AND, fund the raise/ training of oliphaunts on our lands. otherwise we will probably not get anything in return
about the rest:
-if possible to expand the glassware I will jump on it
-The idea of the palace is excelent, if Cydwyl is in good monetary shape they could also help us and make a shiny palace that will be a true piece of art and military superiority
-Yes, we maybe should make some kind of amendment with the dwarves, maybe could we ask our husband to help us write a letter of "straightening relations in case that the damdamian influence gets out of control"
Post by: Weirdsound on June 19, 2018, 07:09:39 pm
2 bad things I must say:
-I think the hostile magic infusion has already passed, our scepter must have been calming magical weather, and we already got a beast attack, starting our mating program might be better the sooner as possible
-Did gutba got reinforced? they were screwed by yrisene and parsia, I don't think they might be a good military ally unless they decide that for payment of military help they give, AND, fund the raise/ training of oliphaunts on our lands. otherwise we will probably not get anything in return
-We actually got attacked by two beasts since we got the Laz0rhorse. The magic infusion might not be a set number of events, but a number of years in which there is a chance of events occurring. That is why I think we should wait until a few years pass without incident so that we know for sure the trouble has passed.
-Is it wrong that I'm now thinking of oliphaunt mounted artillery? Either way, I want the alliance more as a deterrent against war than aid to call upon during one.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 19, 2018, 07:24:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 19, 2018, 08:50:09 pm
-We actually got attacked by two beasts since we got the Laz0rhorse. The magic infusion might not be a set number of events, but a number of years in which there is a chance of events occurring. That is why I think we should wait until a few years pass without incident so that we know for sure the trouble has passed.
How do we know it's Sorceress-related trouble rather than more of the challenges we always seem to face? Didn't the health blessing last something like thirty or forty years, depending on how we count? (I wonder how long we have to keep the door to Orcworld closed?...)
Post by: omada on June 19, 2018, 08:57:42 pm
-Is it wrong that I'm now thinking of oliphaunt mounted artillery? Either way, I want the alliance more as a deterrent against war than aid to call upon during one.
No, I was also thinking about the aplications of mid sized thundercats on the back of oliphaunts or oliphaunts carrying thundercats, but I was waiting to see if someone else would have the same idea hehehe
Post by: Baffler on June 19, 2018, 10:50:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 20, 2018, 01:51:01 am
1178 AD, Midwinter
Apparently, a new form of art took hold, or rather developed, in Alldivine cloisters.
This form of art has a story (usually about one humble man blessed by Alldivines or fulfilling their holy requests) presented by the lead choralist, who is then supplanted by rest of the chorus, representing either detractors 'putting him on trial' or alldivine 'messengers' echoing and praising his words.
These 'choral stories' are not only artistic work but also help the mostly wandering Alldivine priests influence townsfolk and gather doantions. That doesn't go well with your noblemen, who feel that it is encroaching into Pantheonist way of life.
A) It's just a bunch of spiritually inclined, harmless singers. What's next, we will ban musical instruments and traveling bards?
B) Alldivine influence clashing against Pantheonist beliefs will only bring strife. We must curb this new, heretical, form of art.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 20, 2018, 02:03:10 am
Post by: Rockeater on June 20, 2018, 02:12:42 am
Post by: helmacon on June 20, 2018, 03:08:36 am
Post by: omada on June 20, 2018, 04:20:36 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 20, 2018, 07:42:27 am
A, the pantheonists should take notes then
A bsolutely! If you want to fight choral drama, have a song & dance battle. You've got gods of art and music on your side, don't you?
Post by: Weirdsound on June 20, 2018, 10:40:30 am
Also, point out that it would be hypocritical for Methiant to persecute the Alldiviners. Many of our great leaders, including Cyl the Great, practiced the faith, and the core of Methiant was carved out by Alldivine Battle Brothers. Even if we have moved on from practicing the faith, our history demands that we must still respect it.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 20, 2018, 12:17:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 20, 2018, 12:36:11 pm
A
Also, point out that it would be hypocritical for Methiant to persecute the Alldiviners. Many of our great leaders, including Cyl the Great, practiced the faith, and the core of Methiant was carved out by Alldivine Battle Brothers. Even if we have moved on from practicing the faith, our history demands that we must still respect it.
Pantheists really don't give a shit about history or anything else if it doesn't benefit them, so I'm sure they won't care.
But come on pantheon guys, a little bit of wandering play can't be that bad right?
A
Post by: birdy51 on June 20, 2018, 12:51:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2018, 02:42:57 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 21, 2018, 02:51:47 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 21, 2018, 02:55:10 am
Money is good, but I don't forsee us passing any new edicts in the near future. The only edicts that might appeal to me are the Bill of Rights and Freedom of Religion, and either of those could mess up our union with the strictly pantheonist and traditional Kingdom of Cydwyl.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 21, 2018, 03:09:11 am
I keep forgetting how small our empire is. Smaller than half the kingdoms nearby!
Post by: Taricus on June 21, 2018, 03:13:59 am
Post by: Criptfeind on June 21, 2018, 06:17:18 am
BB
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 21, 2018, 07:07:23 am
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2018, 07:13:40 am
I'm nervous about our money situation. We got a massive one off payment of 4 economy
Oh. Ooooh.
Weeelp, time to revert 'v.
Give me a minute.
Post by: Haspen on June 21, 2018, 07:18:47 am
1178 AD, Late Winter
Grumbling a little bit, Graine has returned to the palace.
1178 AD, End of the Year
You can't help but wonder how the Empire has been doing. You feel like it has been a while since last time you saw Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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5to6, 5to6(1to3)
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 11!
Army: 6
Imp.Authority: +2
"I'm pleased to announce that the Army got quite a lot of new recruits from both Methiantese citizens and adventurous travelers. Economy is at all time high but what's more important is that your joyful subjects, happy with your rule, have once again decided to try and help the Crown with monetary input!"
A) "I have no real need for peasant money... let them have it, instead."
B) -
C) "We shall commission a statue to strengthen our authority!"
"Furthermore, the Treasurer believes we shouldn't hoard all the money in the Treasury, and urges us to spend it on something for once!"
A) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
B) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
C) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
D) -
E) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
F) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
"Per usual, I will ask the simple question; shall you issue an Edict this year, Lady Empress?"
A) "k"
B) "nu"
"Also, the Cartography Charter has produced a new version of royal map. It will do so every year."
Spoiler: Royal Map 1178 AD (click to show/hide)
//THIS IS fixed post. Votes above it are ignored. This is triple vote, remember no split votes.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 21, 2018, 07:25:40 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 21, 2018, 07:25:53 am
ACA
Post by: mightymushroom on June 21, 2018, 07:39:24 am
A A B
Let the peasants keep their money. Don't we already have a statue of ourselves from the happy peasants earlier? How many do we need?
I don't believe the sorceress would actually give us another lazerhorse. Let's alternate magical weirdnesses.
No option for expanding the glassworks? Or some of the other things Weirdsound suggested (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7789216#msg7789216)?
(I might have voted to expand the army, but we'll see how things are going in another couple years when it's nearer the cap.)
I agree that the only edict I'm interested in just now is Bill of Rights, which I don't think will be devastating to our rule but is certainly contentious among the advisors. So no.
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Hrm, apparently Gubta has been losing territory to Ysirene.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 21, 2018, 08:29:03 am
Didn't the first time the happiness proc happened the adviser implied that not taking the money would be an insult? Also, man, more statues is more gooder imo.
As for the money choice, I agree I'd rather have an artifact then a new pet, but I think I wanta have a sorceress artifact, not that i'm super holding a grudge against the dwarves, but we know they can take it away at any time, and we've not really got many (any?) sorceress artifacts so far, so I think it'd be cool to pick one up to test and see if it has a bit more longevity then a dwarf one.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 21, 2018, 11:03:53 am
We know the dwarfs can make artifact weapons with anti-magical beast powers. Graine has the talent to use such a weapon, and could use such a gift to cheer her up. We clearly have interest in hiring a sorceress, an a positive economy that will likely allow us to do so in the future. Hiring a Sorceress in the future will give us magical beast issues.
We have both the means and the motivation to make a beast slaying champion.
Post by: birdy51 on June 21, 2018, 11:07:36 am
I don't particularly trust Sorceresses. They are opposed to wizards, and everyone knows wizards are kind and good!
Post by: ZBridges on June 21, 2018, 11:20:52 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 21, 2018, 12:15:02 pm
Post by: omada on June 21, 2018, 02:37:42 pm
ACA
Didn't the first time the happiness proc happened the adviser implied that not taking the money would be an insult? Also, man, more statues is more gooder imo.
It was 10 hapiness, we never got an 10 again so we can't know if they will only be offended after a certain number
Post by: Baffler on June 21, 2018, 09:39:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2018, 02:13:46 am
aab aab aab
ccb
cca
MILITARY EDICTS:
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
Establish Religion Tax: (once in effect: 1154 - 1172 AD)
Various congregations are given away territories and various tax exemptions for those. With erosion of religious influences upon the state, its prime opportunity to dip our hand into prime source of income that is donations and tithes gathered by those numerous cults present in the empire. It will surely not please them, and, by extension, your subjects.
ENFORCED REVOCATION: Prevents this Edict from being choosen again for at least 10 years after revocation.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Post by: Taricus on June 22, 2018, 02:21:00 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 22, 2018, 02:27:22 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2018, 02:34:28 am
Post by: Baffler on June 22, 2018, 02:36:08 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 02:43:49 am
None of the legal Edicts are a good fit for the moment.
Bill of Rights: Could fuck with our attempts to peacefully assimilate the highly traditional Cydwyl.
Passage Tax: Our cash flow is good enough that we don't need to be doing stupid shit to boost it.
Calendar of Festivities: Why would we spend perfectly good money to boost happiness when it is already maxed out?
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2018, 02:44:59 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 02:49:37 am
Lately we have been maxing happiness without even trying. So long as our luxury goods keep hitting a few happiness boosts here and there, and we don't do anything dumb to piss our people off, we should still get that money at the end of most years.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2018, 03:02:13 am
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2018, 03:05:42 am
Post by: omada on June 22, 2018, 07:07:18 am
but will not pay itself and not be a big of a bonus when the final hapiness is lower than 7
although my calculations is that the calendar of festivities will always trade 1 econ to 1 hapiness, but maybe it's decided in a roll?
or no edict so we are sure that 1 of economy is always there for us
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2018, 07:15:31 am
Calendar of Festivities
Not for the money, in fact It seems like it'll be a net negative there. But rather because Haspen was talking about how we're considered a pretty much backwards and uncultured nation. So maybe that'll help build up some Methiase spirit.
Post by: birdy51 on June 22, 2018, 07:38:24 am
Maybe we can politely begin requesting the donations be used on these regular celebrations instead.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 22, 2018, 08:17:00 am
although my calculations is that the calendar of festivities will always trade 1 econ to 1 hapiness, but maybe it's decided in a roll?
or no edict so we are sure that 1 of economy is always there for us
Many of these seem to be decided on a roll. It could be a net benefit.
On the other hand it looked like the sorceress proposition went through, those are always expensive purchases.
No edict
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 22, 2018, 09:12:41 am
Post by: Twinwolf on June 22, 2018, 09:19:32 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 22, 2018, 12:24:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2018, 12:25:56 pm
1179 AD, Spring
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2to4
Some quite good profits were brought by the silverware sales to your nobles.
1179 AD, Summer
A report arrives from Ysirene, about the glasswork.
Quote
2to5
Just like silver, it brought good profits to the Treasury.
Three mornings later, a guard runs into the throne room and drops to his knees.
"Lady Empress, a magnificent lady worthy of worship has appeared out of thin air at the gates of capital! She is a Sorceress and she calls herself Yornantei Worldserpent!" Of course, you have her invited into the throne room.
Her entourage enters first; a trio of silver-skinned nude men with 'equipment' so big and visible that its making ladies swoon and men grit teeth with jealousy; their eyes are sparkling like gold, and wings sprout from behind their ears. Seven black-skinned goblins follow after each silver-man, playing trumpets, triangles, drums, horns and flutes. Then, surrounding a giant golden centipede, sixteen fomorians with large femurs as weapons close the entourage.
On top of the golden centipede, with eyes like rubies, sits she; Yornantei Worldserpent. She is a tall woman with flowing blue hair that has color akin to finest lapises. Her skin is tan and she wears nothing except a very thin tunic that changes colors from pink to red to gold to silver with each move and gust of wind. Her wrists and ankles are decorated with so much bracelets and precious chains she shouldn't be walking, but she easily and noiselessly slides from her centipede, which clicks and drools, staring at you.
"I am Yornantei Worldserpent." The Sorceress speaks with melodic, but comandeering voice that has this cold echo in it, making your skin crawl with fear. "Queen of the Night, Protector of the Moon, Gardener of Stars and Forger of the Sword that will End the World. I have heard that my services are required by this petty land, and thus I have arrived. Nothing concerns me but the wealth you have, and I know that you have lots of it. What do you ask of me, speak!"
You ask her whether she can create another Flying Horse so you can have a breeding pair. Yornantei scoffs.
"Firstly, it would be beneath me to copy the work of such a cheap knockoff like Sirstara. Secondly, I didn't make that horse, so I do not know what it is made of, and I'm sure Sirstara wouldn't bother to visit you again, either."
You then tell her that you do not know what you-
"Cut that crap, we all know that you guys did this many times, I'm sure the players probably remember all the rules by now."
"What... players?" The Sorceress laughs.
"A figure of speech, miss." Yornantei winks at you.
You decide to ask for...
A) Ask for an artifact... (details to follow)
B) Ask for a spell that will scare fanciful creatures away from the kingdom's borders.
C) Ask for prosperity and growth for the Kingdom and its populace.
D) Ask for a mighty beast to be bound as your pet/mount/guardian/something like that.
E) Ask for wisdom about many things.
F) Ask for skills of elite battlemaster.
G) Ask for charisma and silvertongue.
H) Ask for endurance and better health.
I) -
J) Ask for a spell that will make your soldiers stronger.
K) Ask for health and prosperity for your family.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 22, 2018, 12:31:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 12:35:55 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 22, 2018, 12:37:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2018, 12:45:39 pm
Never forget the rainbow sceptre.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2018, 12:53:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2018, 01:15:54 pm
"Fine, let's get to details."
As for the type of the artifact...
A) An useable weapon.
B) An armor piece.
C) A jewelry piece.
D) An article of clothing.
E) A piece of furniture.
As for the area of effect...
A) 'Wielder' only.
B) Local area.
C) Entire kingdom.
As for effect of the artifact...
A) (specify the effect here)
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2018, 01:28:22 pm
A
A: Charisma
I think Charisma is the best trait, and the chance to get it in a ?self stacking? and multi generational form should be cool.
Also it might let us deal with Cyl on even ground, not that he's not been good so far... But just in case.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 01:56:40 pm
A
A: Super Effective against Magical Foes
Post by: crazyabe on June 22, 2018, 01:58:06 pm
B
C: Improved luck
Post by: ZBridges on June 22, 2018, 01:58:40 pm
A
A: Charisma
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 22, 2018, 02:01:21 pm
C
A charisma
If we make our whole kingdom charismatic we might get some mad culture bonuses.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 22, 2018, 02:07:44 pm
C+1 unless someone suggests something better
C
A charisma
If we make our whole kingdom charismatic we might get some mad culture bonuses.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2018, 02:18:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 22, 2018, 02:22:13 pm
(P.S. There's always an option to pay Wizards with an artifact. I don't know if they care about dwarf ones, but shouldn't they want to rid the world of a Sorceress's creation? Just to keep in mind if things do get ugly.)
Putting out some ideas:
It would be really cool to have something to protect against, or even attack, enemy Fireblood, as it seems those weapons will increasingly dominate the future. I'm having trouble working out the details though.
Or something that protects against falling damage so that we can ride Horsey safely. Also run around on rooftops, climb mountains, and have similar adventures if the chance arises.
A piece of furniture that grants health in the local area would be good, no need to go into seclusion during plagues. And our last health boon seems to have improved fertility as well, a plus for a royal family.
crazyabe is pretty close to that last one, I'll vote
E
B
C: Improved luck
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 22, 2018, 02:28:31 pm
An entire kingdom of charismatics is going to be rife with philanderers, false prophets, and other sources of strife.I'm not seeing the problem.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2018, 02:32:50 pm
It also doesn't actually help us directly.
Post by: Haspen on June 22, 2018, 02:45:59 pm
"With what we have in the Treasury right now, we can safely afford the Sorceress' services and still have enough to cover our yearly expenses if we assume even the lowest of profits for next half of the year." You nod at your courtiers - you will get the artifact done.
The Sorceress asks for one bar of silver, one piece of crystal rock, and one rod made of iron. A peculiar set of requests, but your servants quickly procure them from the treasury, royal storerooms and elsewhere within few hours.
The nude silvermen grab the rod and effortlessly bend it into a small circle, wide but thin, hammering onto it with their fists.
The centipede devours the crystal, munching on it, before spitting it out. It's rough shape has been replaced with a green stone of eighty eight sides, with shine and clarity unmatched by any other crystal you ever saw.
The goblins tear apart the silver bar into numerous pieces, either size of a nail or a knucklebone.
Yornantei then gathers all those 'pieces' into her left palm, and she asks for a hammer which she takes with her right hand. She swings it, looking at the pieces. She swings it three times, always slowing down and stopping before hitting her palm. People murmur as the swinging continues for a while.
Then you notice that the wind has picked up and a breeze, seemingly out of nowhere, begun to wash across the throne room with chill and even frost!
Suddenly, the Sorceress shouts something in unknown language and strikes her palm and the ingredients with the hammer. A sickeningly green light blinds you and causes your to scream. A blast of hurricane wind topples you and the throne as you hear your noblemen and servants tumble and trip over each other.
But then it is all over; the wind is gone, and so is the light. Guards help you up as you stare at Yornantei's hand; a dark bracelet is wobbling in the air above it, glowing with the green light from the gemstone adorning it, and you see the silver pieces, made into perfect squares and orbs, vibrate visibly.
Soon however even all this subsides, and the bracelet, still and calm, falls down onto Worldserpent's palm. Slowly, she makes her way to you and, with a smirk on her face, takes your hand - you can feel some unholy energy go up your skin, as if thousands needles were pricking you - and places the metal bracelet on your wrist. The bracelet feels both uncomfortably hot and very heavy.
But once the Sorceress lets go, you no longer feel any discomfort - instead, the bracelet feels as if tailor-made. It is resting on your wrist snugly and weighs very little.
"There you go, your trinket." You look up at the iron bracelet. It is of highest craftssorceressship. It is adorned with green beryl and decorated with silver.
"What's it name?" You inquire. Yornantei laughs.
"Bracelet of Charisma." She brushes her blue hair and looks at you condescendingly. "I expect to be paid for services rendered, oh Empress."
You decide to...
A) Ask the guards to get rid of the Sorceress.
B) Let the Sorceress take the money she requested.
C) Negotiate for a lower price.
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 22, 2018, 02:53:12 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on June 22, 2018, 02:53:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 22, 2018, 02:54:30 pm
Post by: Rockeater on June 22, 2018, 02:57:01 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 22, 2018, 03:09:27 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 22, 2018, 03:22:27 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 22, 2018, 03:30:31 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 22, 2018, 03:30:46 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 22, 2018, 03:39:56 pm
B
Guess not.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 03:41:39 pm
Do not fuck with the scary magic lady.
Post by: omada on June 22, 2018, 04:04:14 pm
Not going to use a magical bracelet of charisma against the sorcerer who created this
like what hapenned with the dwarven charisma collar it might not work, I would try to negotiate if we were charismatic AND got a dwarven amulet of charisma (and then we will get the net gain of +2 (+2 charisma +2 dwarven artifact -2 enraged sorcerer)
also, sorry guys for suggesting the breed-able horse idea, I think it won't work, maybe if we asked for a pair of minor magical but breed able creatures?
(I also arrived too late, I would vote for something that increased the chance of our kids getting more than one trait or increased learning and focus on the castle, but for the next super money bonus it's better for us to spend on improving our mundane relations)
Somebody else noticed that despite Cyl roled a 6 to health it didn't got ANY bonuses from the necklace? unless the necklace forces us to have a 6 we were swindled by that small noble
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 22, 2018, 05:10:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 22, 2018, 05:16:09 pm
Somebody else noticed that despite Cyl roled a 6 to health it didn't got ANY bonuses from the necklace? unless the necklace forces us to have a 6 we were swindled by that small noble
I was thinking that as well. But for all we know IC it works, so at the very least it is a worthy addition to our crown jewels, and something we can sell at a later date.
Next time we get a sourcerer, we ask for war raptors for our cavalry to ride on now and forever.
I've never seen a sorceress give a permanent "now and forever" type buff. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if our new artifact loses power in a few decades.
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2018, 11:11:40 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 23, 2018, 12:15:23 am
B
Post by: Haspen on June 23, 2018, 03:49:41 am
1179 AD, Midsummer
Terrible storms struck east and north of Methiant this year, with hail and thunder a common sight in these parts. Fortunately, the damage is minimal, which must've been Scepter's work, as guards report it was shining very strongly during the stormy week.
1179 AD, Autumn
Springwine was shipped this year from Tiftit, the land having recovered from last year's assault.
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Though it must've been tainted or otherwise of low quality, because few nobles paid little for it, and Treasury can't speak about making profits.
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Spices, which have arrived a while ago, brought very good profits, and some praise from your noblemen!
1179 AD, Mid-Autumn
Your brother-in-law, Hein, has become a father once again! His wife gave birth to a beautiful baby girl whom she named 'Gaertrud'.
1179 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury; glasswork is sent to Ysirene of course.
1179 AD, Midwinter
Tutors both scholarly and from military praise Deathan's skills; they hail your brother-in-law as a true genius, for he has near encyclopedic knowledge of astronomy and herbalism. This wisdom is matched by his martial skill in both combat and commandeering of troops. Few years ago, some people joked that he must've been born lucky, but now many consider that to be actually true.
Few days later, a messenger arrives from Cydwyl; Cyl's dynasty is having some party time for 150th anniversary of Cydwan I's ascension and independence from Dahnian tyrants. Your King and husband therefore asks whether you would like to visit him next Spring to join the celebrations.
A) Well duh! I will get a fancy dress just for the occassion!
B) Oh, no, sorry, I will have a headache next Spring, can't go.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 23, 2018, 04:00:24 am
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Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2018, 05:43:26 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 23, 2018, 05:44:33 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 23, 2018, 07:53:54 am
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Post by: helmacon on June 23, 2018, 07:56:49 am
The brother in law worries me. If he decides he should have the crown he would likely get some internal support, and it would be difficult to face down a genius. Hopefully he is just a good natured genius.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 23, 2018, 09:48:50 am
AWe have the bracelet, so his only advantage is Martial so I say we could take him
The brother in law worries me. If he decides he should have the crown he would likely get some internal support, and it would be difficult to face down a genius. Hopefully he is just a good natured genius.
Post by: Haspen on June 23, 2018, 11:25:06 am
1179 AD, End of the Year
Compared to previous years, this year came and went really fast - and really peacefully. it wouldn't be bad if this became a trend, don't you agree?
The Advisor promptly arrives in your chambers with Scrolls of Kingdom Status, placing them on your desk.
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Happiness: 9
Population: 6
Economy: 6
Army: 7
Imp.Authority: +2
"Our Empire is doing pretty well. People near and far praise your name, and some are ready to share their wealth and savings with the Crown, to foster progress within the nation!"
A) "Nah, let them enjoy the coin."
B) "They can build me a statue with that money."
C) "The Crown accepts the donations!"
"Any Edicts this year, Lady Empress?"
A) "I will pass."
B) "Yes, let's."
"The Cartography Charter has produced a new version of the map." You look at it - nothing has changed.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2018, 11:28:45 am
Post by: crazyabe on June 23, 2018, 11:38:27 am
Post by: omada on June 23, 2018, 11:51:50 am
CB
Post by: Kashyyk on June 23, 2018, 11:55:40 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 23, 2018, 12:00:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 23, 2018, 12:20:18 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 23, 2018, 12:22:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 23, 2018, 12:47:27 pm
Haspen, can we have that open market stuff as an edict? I don't know if I asked this before
I think you are referring to our Trade Commissioner proposing new regulations to favor Methiantese and tax foreigners, the very opposite of an open market. (Thus our complaint that he came in while the ink was still drying on our agreement lowering the barriers to Rucusian merchants.) To get an open market we basically have to repeal the Commission, since its vision statement is to seek favorable conditions for our guys.
C A
Also, the Cartography Division promised a map every year. Are they late or did nothing at all change in our knowledge of the world?
Post by: Haspen on June 23, 2018, 12:49:34 pm
Also, the Cartography Division promised a map every year. Are they late or did nothing at all change in our knowledge of the world?
Fixed :P
Post by: ZBridges on June 23, 2018, 12:52:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 23, 2018, 01:05:52 pm
Spring, 1180 AD
As you prepare to leave for Kingdom of Cydwyl to join your husband in the annicersary, the gate guards arrive, bringing news that you have visitors; a young writer of some renown, Gaul Kendrych, wants to obtain Crown's sponsorship for an innovative choral piece he wants to write and present before the court.
The other is a delegation from Gubtan court, here to talk - or rather, complain - about the simply inadequate amount of money they get for their spices and which is apparently throttled by your Trade Commission so that you profit more.
You decide to...
A) Grant audience to the young artist first.
B) Listen to complains of the Gubta first.
Post by: Rockeater on June 23, 2018, 01:08:23 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 23, 2018, 01:13:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 23, 2018, 01:25:05 pm
Lets test our new Charisma artifact.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 23, 2018, 01:49:18 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 23, 2018, 02:08:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 23, 2018, 02:12:43 pm
Post by: omada on June 23, 2018, 02:43:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 23, 2018, 03:15:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 23, 2018, 03:30:52 pm
Or at least that was my impression when several of my budget tracking numbers shifted at the time we enacted it. Necessary disclaimer, though, I deleted my old notes, so my recall of exact numbers is hazy. They may be idiosyncratic for each deal.
The down side is that our foreign partners have been consistently unhappy with the commission's practices. They can and have canceled deals, thus losing that income. Our current budget runs about +2 even before frequent happiness contributions, I don't necessarily approve but I think we could survive its repeal with minor belt tightening.
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 01:43:49 am
"Oh, great Empress, we come on behalf of spice traders in Gubta. The money that your merchants offer every year for our marvelous powders and roots is simply a joke! They shield themselves with some Commission that apparently has your support and blessing. While your merchants profit most disgustingly, our merchants cannot even feed their families."
The Commissioner of Trade is brought in, and is told Gubtan complaints.
"I do not see a problem, Lady Empress. Our Commission is to ensure protection for our merchants and establish best profits for the Treasury from foreign trade, and to stop merchants from other nations to profit on our cost with unwelcome practices like price gouging or such. Yearly profits that come into your Treasury from spices, Lady Empress, wouldn't be this good if we would let Gubtan merchants have a greater say in the deal."
A) The Commissioner is right, our profits are the important part in this!
B) Gubta must be appeased; let's make it slightly harsher for them!
Post by: crazyabe on June 24, 2018, 01:52:32 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 24, 2018, 02:21:11 am
Post by: ZBridges on June 24, 2018, 04:18:59 am
C Concessions for Gubta+1
Post by: helmacon on June 24, 2018, 06:30:28 am
Lets break in the amulet of charisma.
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 06:58:43 am
...Is there an actually Appease the Gubta merchants option? I'm reading "No change" and "Ask the trade commission to find some way to screw even More cash out of the Gubtans" as the two options for some odd reason...
Yes, it's B :v
You either keep it scrooge (A) or give them better prices for their spice. (B)
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2018, 07:20:56 am
Look at those bellies. Is that the look of a starving man?
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 24, 2018, 08:20:23 am
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 24, 2018, 08:26:36 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 09:18:50 am
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 09:49:11 am
The young artist arrives next.
"Greetings, Lady Empress Ruberta!" He tips his hat. "I've been recently enamored with choralist spectacles and decided to bring out actual stories into this new kind of art, and what's better than that of legendary Descent of the Gods? Even the Pantheonist clergy I spoke with were enthusiastic and gave me enough material to compose a story and establish roles for a lot of artists, especially that I'm an ambitious in my vision and wish to include two separate choruses and two leading voices for this choralist piece. However, people expect to be paid for their oratory and singing services, and on suggestion of one of the clerics, I came seeking monetary support from you, oh great Empress!"
You decide to...
A) Not sponsor this blatant Pantheonist propaganda!
B) Sponsor the artist and wish him success.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 24, 2018, 10:00:17 am
Sure sounds good.
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2018, 10:17:10 am
Grand! We can use the money we squeezed from the bellies of the gold eating Gubta!
Post by: vastaghen12 on June 24, 2018, 10:25:19 am
Culture!
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 10:27:10 am
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2018, 10:29:20 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 24, 2018, 10:37:08 am
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 10:42:40 am
Next week, with your kids in tow, you arrive at the Palace of Cydwyl. The celebrations are somewhat smaller compared to those in Methiant few years ago.
Nonetheless, you enjoy many parties with the noblemen and Cyl, who unfortunately busies himself with own nobles for most of the days. he rewards you by giving you his wholesome attention in the nighttime, however.
A week into your stay, Cyl announces that he will give audiences to those willing to speak to him. He offers to let you aprticipate, sitting at a throne near his.
A) Sure, the Cydwyllians should see the mother of their future Kings.
B) No, they're not my subjects, and my presence might only anger them.
Post by: Criptfeind on June 24, 2018, 10:45:00 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2018, 10:51:37 am
They're used to having us around. Maybe we can take some pointers.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 24, 2018, 10:54:41 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 11:01:03 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 24, 2018, 11:08:18 am
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 11:25:22 am
It seems that a lot of noblemen have a lot to say about Cyl, his policies, and the policies of Cydwyl Kingdom. Nothing new, but you can't help but notice that, while charismatic, your husband is more compromising than assertive.
Finally, it comes to a situation when a nobleman - baron - named Erik Yerrinund speaks up about you.
"May I inquire, good king Cyl, why is Empress Ruberta here?" Silence befalls the throne room, as other noblemen, either shocked or attentive, listen to Erik.
"She is not Empress of Cydwyl! It's another encroachment upon Cydwyl and its way of living. She has no titles nor claims to any in Cydwyl. She shouldn't be here! What next, she will tell us how to adress you?"
"She is my wife, and therefore, can visit whenever she likes. She came to the throne room on my invitation." Yerrinund gives your husband a lazy eye, and you suspect that the nobleman might be a bit drunk.
Moments later, noblemen surround baron Yerrinund, half-shouting over him to try and tell him to leave, while your husband simply waits on his throne.
A) I should leave the audience room, its clear my presence isn't helping here.
B) How dare they question us like so? I shall adress those nobles and tell them what I think!
C) I'm sure Cyl has everything under control and will solve this situation. I will remain silent.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 24, 2018, 11:30:35 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 11:33:38 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 11:35:32 am
But once Yerrinund is gone, we should make a point to thank and get the names of the good and loyal men who helped remove him.
Post by: Chevaleresse on June 24, 2018, 11:40:41 am
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Post by: Rockeater on June 24, 2018, 11:51:19 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 24, 2018, 11:55:39 am
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 11:56:12 am
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Then, in a brief scuffle, you see Erik Yerrinund draw up what looks like a very short Deathtube - and he points it at you! In this moment you should cover for protection, but fear reigns supreme and nails you to the chair.
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The blast of the shot rings in your ears as you feel the timber of your seat explode above your left ear. The crazy nobleman missed by a wide mark, and only your nerves have been strained. Before you regain view of the situation, some noblemen and Cyl's guards have Erik on the ground and beating him up. Others are covering behind columns and guards, shouting at each other or staring at the whole situation pretty much shocked.
Cyl takes you away for safety as other audiences are cancelled.
In the afternoon, Cyl visits you in your guestchamber (which was guarded by two dozen soldiers), and gives you a hug.
"Erik Yerrinund will be executed with haste at tomorrow morning. This was attempted regicide. I apologize for putting you in danger. Anything I can do to appease you?"
A) "Death of Erik's family would be nice!"
B) "Nothing."
C) "A shiny trinket would do!"
D) "An oath of loyalty from your noblemen."
Post by: mightymushroom on June 24, 2018, 12:01:05 pm
An oath is tempting, but I feel like it would actually be a step backwards. We literally did nothing but sit in a chair at our husband's express invitation. Why give zealots the satisfaction of saying that we want anything else? We're in biding time mode, now.
Post by: Lucus Casius on June 24, 2018, 12:03:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 12:03:50 pm
Otherwise, B.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 12:35:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 24, 2018, 12:50:38 pm
How about we ask him to raise his step-daughter Rinilda in Cydwyl, and marry her off to his nobility when she comes of age in a few years? Nothing like marrying into an Empresses blood to get a bunch of troublemaking nobles to accept an Empress.I generally support this.
Otherwise, B.
Although, Haspen, is there anything in Methiantese or Cydwyllian law or tradition that expressly forbids marrying Rinilda to her imperial half-brother? :P
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 01:09:12 pm
How about we ask him to raise his step-daughter Rinilda in Cydwyl, and marry her off to his nobility when she comes of age in a few years? Nothing like marrying into an Empresses blood to get a bunch of troublemaking nobles to accept an Empress.I generally support this.
Otherwise, B.
Although, Haspen, is there anything in Methiantese or Cydwyllian law or tradition that expressly forbids marrying Rinilda to her imperial half-brother? :P
Why would we want to marry off Doge in-house? When the time comes, he should take a foreign bride to try and boost foreign relations like pretty much all his ancestors have done before him.
Also, Incest aside, Rinilda is nearly a decade older than him. He should marry somebody at the start of her childbearing years, to ensure maximum opportunity for heir production.
Post by: crazyabe on June 24, 2018, 01:12:23 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 24, 2018, 01:58:10 pm
Why would we want to marry off Doge in-house? When the time comes, he should take a foreign bride to try and boost foreign relations like pretty much all his ancestors have done before him.To knit the dynasties together so that Doge has a better traditionalist claim to the throne. Ruberta is only Empress by virtue of marrying an Emperor and then killing him; that makes for a pretty shaky claim for the children of her second marriage.
Also, Incest aside, Rinilda is nearly a decade older than him. He should marry somebody at the start of her childbearing years, to ensure maximum opportunity for heir production.
Post by: omada on June 24, 2018, 02:03:52 pm
can we give him our bracelet when negotiating? for a big bonus on charisma? if the bracelet give us +1 he can only roll 4-9
it's game changing bullshit right now
and all because of a drunkard
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 02:10:35 pm
Why would we want to marry off Doge in-house? When the time comes, he should take a foreign bride to try and boost foreign relations like pretty much all his ancestors have done before him.To knit the dynasties together so that Doge has a better traditionalist claim to the throne. Ruberta is only Empress by virtue of marrying an Emperor and then killing him; that makes for a pretty shaky claim for the children of her second marriage.
Also, Incest aside, Rinilda is nearly a decade older than him. He should marry somebody at the start of her childbearing years, to ensure maximum opportunity for heir production.
You don't need a traditionalist claim to the throne of Methiant. We are not a traditionalist nation in that sense. We embrace the institution of Elective Succession, and can pretty much vote for anybody with any sort of claim to wear the crown. Ruberta isn't Empress because she killed her first husband. She is Empress because she was elected to the position afterwards, and nobody in Methiant has outwardly challenged our legitimacy since; In fact, she consistently has better happiness and authority scores than any leader of Methiant who came before her.
As for the throne of Cydwyl, Doge is the son of the King. If they are truly traditionalist, that should be enough.
Post by: Haspen on June 24, 2018, 03:06:06 pm
that makes for a pretty shaky claim for the children of her second marriage.
Cyl and Doge both trace their roots to the original Cyl, though.
You decide to ask for nothing. Cyl looks both surprised and impressed.
"I see. Do you wish to stay with me a while longer?"
A) "It is better I return home."
B) "Yes, I will stay some more."
Post by: mightymushroom on June 24, 2018, 03:09:37 pm
A
Post by: omada on June 24, 2018, 03:11:51 pm
but B show courage and defiance, make a little joke about how we didn't know how exciting would be to just be an spectator of our husband doing his job
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 03:14:14 pm
If we leave now, after the assassination attempt, we are showing fear and weakness. We will not be driven out of town by some gunman with no aim.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 24, 2018, 03:15:09 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 24, 2018, 03:18:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on June 24, 2018, 03:52:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on June 24, 2018, 06:41:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 24, 2018, 08:33:38 pm
We will sit back down in the throne room and observe as we wanted to before. We will not flinch from this. That guy? He was not worth our notice.
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2018, 11:05:32 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 24, 2018, 11:42:34 pm
B Also yeah Haspen is right. Our husband Cyl is directly descended from one of Emperor Cyl I's daughters [I think the oldest one?]
Cyl the Great only had a single daughter: Erika. She is actually still alive, and runs the country whenever Cyl of Cydwyl is off in Methiant banging the Empress. She is the person our husband's nobles wanted to run Cydwyl until Doge came of age had the King not survived the illness he suffered during our last visit.
Though I assume that she was only allowed to take up the throne with the expectation that she would marry back into the Yoean Bloodline or that at the very least only her children by members of the Yoean Bloodline would be eligible for inheriting the throne from her.] this should be pretty legitimate as all our heirs by Cyl would be descended from an Emperor of the founding Bloodline/Dynasty.
I think the criteria given at a recent Imperial Election (I forget if it was the one that crowned Ruberta or the one the crowned her first husband) was very vague, along the lines of "Has some tie to the crown". I don't think we necessarily require a blood relation to Yoe I to be emperor anymore.
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2018, 11:53:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2018, 12:09:02 am
Personally I don't like that Ruberta got the throne.
I didn't vote for her either, but you cannot argue with results. Methiant has prospered under her reign. If this scheme to absorb Cydwyl succeeds, she might even rival Cyl the Great amoung the greatest leaders in SPAMKINGDOM by the time she is done.
And because elective succession allows us to pick the next emperor, and this player base seems pretty fond of Cyl the Great, I don't think we were ever in much danger of losing the bloodline for good by giving Ruberta the throne.
Post by: mightymushroom on June 25, 2018, 08:11:16 am
Now, individuals may or may not conform perfectly to this ideal – Abis attempted to introduce Leath to Parsian religious practices, Ruberta herself scandalized the court by wearing Eldrican fashion at her second wedding – but the principle is there in our society and its practices. I believe that's why the law is written as it is in the first place, for anyone with sorta-close dynastic tie: not simply blood descent, but also including the binding power of a solemn vow of mutual union.
Post by: Haspen on June 25, 2018, 12:56:29 pm
Nothing either exciting nor threatening happens, although Cyl seems to have more guards around and the noblemen seem to be avoiding you.
After nearly a month of this frivolous loitering in total, you bid Cyl a kissy farewell and return with your escorts and kids home, to Methiant.
1180 AD, Mid-Spring
The cartographic expedition has returned from the far south!
The men speak that they visited the Republic, Damedia, then skirted southwards through Ysirene, before entering the far southeastern duchies of the Empire, and then ventured into the kingdoms of Spania and Cadia. It seems that your royal grant of priviledge was quite helpful to the cartographers, especially in northern Republic and the religious land of Damedia; but the further they went south, the less questions were asked.
They've noted the high degree of freedom and mobility the lowest peasant class have; it seems they can leave their family homesteads on a whim, and even challenge noblemen and officials in the court, if their case is valid enough. One peasant family was met by the cartographers, the parents and their three kids were traversing from northern Republic to Cadia; all they had to do to leave was to notify their village governor that their house is now empty. A stark contrast with Methiant, Cyl and elsewhere, as here peasants cannot move unless they obtain a grant from the village elder or a nobleman.
For most part, Damdamian lands are comprised of gentle hills and vast flatlands, with rivers and streams cutting through them in great numbers. Strangely, Damdamians have little livestock - donkeys and mules, especially, weren't seen even once - and horses seem to be restricted for use of military and nobility. Forests were also sporadic; lots of them were on outskirts of vast farmlands - speaking of farmlands!
In the south, they had plenty of time to learn about the vast, fertile plains of wheat and barley and flax, which were stretching behind the horizon. Thousands upon thousands of bags of grain were shipped out of those lands in the times of harvest, to the marketplaces and homes of Damdamians elsewhere, the diet supplanted by bounty of saltwater seas; fish and clams and oysters, but also, urchins, seaweed, wavefruits (free-floating mushy apples carried around on the sea waves), citruses and coralmeat (an underwater plum, that one).
They speak that different people from different Damedian cliques still helped each other out with harvest and network, Scanian peasants being escorted about by Imperial soldiers and banners of Imperial duchies patterned on the merchants' wagons. Despite fragmentation, there's still a strong unity between the southerners, especially when it comes to religion and brotherhood.
However, the southern merchant princes of Spania became quite interested about the surplus in which Methiant has minerals, in particular Spanians where interested about gold. Further prying about made it obvious to your explorers that while far-southern Damdamian peoples have wide access to amazing variety and amount of foodstuffs and other delicacies, the southern shores are somewhat lacking in metals and jewels.
They also visited the slave markets of southern Damdamia; there, black elves (really, black-skinned elves with no hair), impoverished Damdamians and some exotic brides and pretty boys with tanned skin and red tatoots from some distant land called 'Moria' were sold for the highest bidder. The prices were absurd; some noblemen were offering as much as the slaves' weight in silver coin. The market is thriving, slave variety astounding, and indifference of common people to slaves' wellbeing more than obvious.
They had learned little about the distant lands beyond Damdamian shores, and even less about the 'thick, dark' forests on the other side of the sea from where the dark elves came. Apparently, the forest is called 'Anutuheatacull' or something like that, and they're ruled by king-priests, or priest-kings, and apparently they practice live sacrifices of their own subjects and slave duty is duty most sacred and respected - something something about self-harm was also mentioned.
The explorers from Cartography Charter even brought sketches of coats of arms of Spania, Cadia and that strange elven land of Anutuheatacull.
Spoiler: Coats of Arms of Spania, Cadia and Anutuheatacull (click to show/hide)
Your courtiers are greatly impressed by the scope and achievements of the cartographers. The lead explorer bends his knee and his fellows follow.
"My lady Empress, to bring geographic and cultural enlightenment for people of Methiant, as we were returning from the south, we were already discussing about going on another expedition before this year is over. During brief stay at the House of Learning, to leave information and map sketches for the map makers, our superiors and colleagues agreed that our voyages simply must not end with this one. Therefore we ask of you - please sponsor another expedition for Cartography Charter! We've reached a consensus that it's about time we gain knowledge about distant republics beyond Eldrican Kingdom."
A) "No, no, you had enough money given to you. Now shoo to your learning chambers!"
B) "Fine, distant west it is this time! Take the money and may God of Travelers bless you!"
C) "Fine, but I have a different idea for where you're going... (specify destination/direction)"
Post by: mightymushroom on June 25, 2018, 01:07:03 pm
B West is as good a direction as any. The republics intrigue me, and take an expert or two from the Fireblood Court to keep an eye out for an opportunity to trade or smuggle technologies.
Post by: Rockeater on June 25, 2018, 01:07:23 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 25, 2018, 01:08:31 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2018, 01:19:28 pm
Also tbh the bill of rights is sounding a little bit attractive.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2018, 01:36:01 pm
B Okay.
Also tbh the bill of rights is sounding a little bit attractive.
Agreed, but it isn't worth messing up our merger with traditionalist Cydwyl. It can be something for our heir to figure out.
Post by: Haspen on June 25, 2018, 02:20:20 pm
1180 AD, Late Spring
Once again, it is that time for the healers to break the news to you.
You're pregnant with Cyl's third child! Will it be a boy or a girl, you're not sure, but the medics are definitely sure that a child is inside you.
A) Let's keep it secret for once.
B) Another courier to Cydwyl Kingdom!
Post by: Kashyyk on June 25, 2018, 02:21:26 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on June 25, 2018, 02:24:50 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2018, 02:31:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2018, 02:32:19 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on June 25, 2018, 02:32:32 pm
At some point we may want to think about slowing down a bit. Ruberta's done well to avoid complications so far but we're not getting any younger.
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 25, 2018, 02:38:27 pm
Post by: crazyabe on June 25, 2018, 02:39:48 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 25, 2018, 02:55:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 25, 2018, 02:56:47 pm
Two weeks later you receive a reply; he will be there for you come Winter.
1180 AD, Autumn
Reports on sales of spices and Springwine arrive!
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Profits from the Springwine were decent and steady.
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Spices sold for similar amounts, greatly dissappointing your merchants.
Meanwhile, you receive a visit from a large group of dwarves. They're of various castes; some are bald and gaudily clad, some have unkept hair and clothes. Some wear tatoos and have this cold, spaced-out look in their eyes. Most of them however, stand behind a single dwarf, wearing black and gold, with a square hat adorned with tiny strands of gold chain.
"Greetings, Empress of Methiant. I, Urbath Megalazor, and these skilled beards, have come on behalf of High King Stomar Tumbaladob. As his father made our view about your land a bit less savage, now the King has decided to extend a knot of cooperation. What is important, he has heard of monetary wealth of this land, and he would be pleased to have Methiantese gold and silver in his treasuries. Here we are, to offer our geomantic, earthcrafter and artificial services to you and your court."
As for artifact-making...
A) Commission one.
B) Decline.
As for services of earthcrafters...
A) Hire some dwarven mages as guards and specialists.
B) Decline.
As for prospecting of soil...
A) Have the less populated lands prospected for ores.
C) Decline.
Post by: ZBridges on June 25, 2018, 03:03:35 pm
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Post by: omada on June 25, 2018, 03:43:45 pm
BBA In not sure if I vote aba or aaa but the last A I am sure
changed votes because reasons bellow
Post by: crazyabe on June 25, 2018, 03:51:37 pm
We Basically JUST got that Charisma Artifact from the sorceress, and still have not tried it out! As such we really should NOT Buy a new one off the dwarves(Who'll probably come around again and possibly melt whatever we get down around our neck...)
As well we've never really Gotten any other services from them before...
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 25, 2018, 03:57:58 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on June 25, 2018, 04:07:40 pm
We can't afford another artifact, and although them STATIONING DWARVEN TROOPS WITHIN OUR BORDERS sounds... Totally cool. I don't think we need that either... We're just going to pay their upkeep until it's time for war.
Prospecting is cool.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2018, 04:09:00 pm
This year we have...
Sponsored some art
Sponsored some explorers
And have had mediocre trade dealings
I'm all for hiring dwarf prospectors, as that will likely lead to new income, but this is not the best time to be throwing money at fanciful dwarf stuff.
Post by: omada on June 25, 2018, 04:20:37 pm
can we just express that we liked a lot the idea but first we need to get some cash flowing? flatter them a bit
Post by: mightymushroom on June 25, 2018, 04:26:57 pm
A
I'm not sure what service exactly earthmancers give, but if it's anything like what the perpetually bankrupt court of Eldrican buys, no thank you.*
*Plus if our cartographers ever get around to exploring and making contacts to the north, employing dwarves will only tick off the elves.
B
Prospecting, though, is always welcome.
A
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2018, 04:51:47 pm
you got a point
can we just express that we liked a lot the idea but first we need to get some cash flowing? flatter them a bit
Something along these lines:
"All the services offered intrigue me, and seem as if they would be of great use to my court and empire, but let us begin our partnership with the prospectors alone. I am quite confident in the ability of dwarfish prospectors, and as such expect to need much of my wealth to construct new mines once their work is complete. When Methiant inevitably prospers as a result of this first arrangement, I will gladly consider other transactions."
Post by: omada on June 25, 2018, 06:46:21 pm
Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2018, 10:32:02 pm
A
A
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Post by: VoidSlayer on June 26, 2018, 09:01:54 am
Post by: Haspen on June 29, 2018, 09:41:44 am
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You decide to commission an artifact and have the lands prospected.
The dwarves consider for a while.
"We propose to forge you a magical staff of a banner; any flag hoisted upon it would inspire the loyal troops to do better in combat and fight their best to protect their monarch even in the worst hours of combat."
A) "Our Army is already excellent, it requires no tricks!"
B) "Something else, maybe? This one's not really interesting."
C) "That's it? I think I will settle on just prospecting, thank you muchly."
D) "Yes."
Post by: Criptfeind on June 29, 2018, 09:42:15 am
That sounds like a cool artifact, but I don't think we can afford it right now.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 29, 2018, 09:44:14 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 29, 2018, 09:48:39 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 29, 2018, 09:49:12 am
Post by: mightymushroom on June 29, 2018, 09:56:12 am
Our army is excellent for its size, but it could be excellenter.
Sounds like it has a bonus specific to 'monarch stand/charge' rolls (which admittedly Ruberta may not use) and also a general boost always.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 29, 2018, 10:15:46 am
Post by: birdy51 on June 29, 2018, 10:36:46 am
It's interesting and I kind of like it.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 29, 2018, 10:45:02 am
Military power!
Post by: Prophet on June 29, 2018, 12:00:30 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 29, 2018, 12:07:36 pm
Post by: melkor on June 29, 2018, 01:49:54 pm
but we do need to start waging wars again
Post by: omada on June 29, 2018, 02:42:56 pm
but it also looks very nice
hey, a idea for later the southerners have cocoa and need metals, we could sell them golden trinkets and buy it (that seems obvious, and after our expedition they will surely go send someone to talk to us sooner or later)
but we could buy a bunch of slaves, dark elves and some notable/important people that they got.
we won't make them our slaves, but we will ask for retribution of their freedom for them to work a bit with our house of learning and give information/maps/tech
we can grant some dark elves liberty to settle in our lands (oh yeah, nothing like investing in long-term special troops) and help some of the richer and political ones to return safely to their lands expecting or a monetary/resource reward or some bonus in diplomacy
that can be the base to create a strong coalition to defend ourselves from another damdamian incursion, as if they try to do something funny we can try to make coordinated attacks from every side
If we desire to do someday the bill of rights because of what we heard about in damdamian lands, let's wait a bit for us to discover that our culture became united/stronger. so we can guarantee that we won't just see people leaving easily our lands every time shit happens (and we will see our hurthlings spreading to other regions faster and guarantee their survival
Post by: ZBridges on June 29, 2018, 03:58:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on June 30, 2018, 04:38:03 am
"Then our runemasters will descend into your dungeons for hundred days, where they will toil with metals and jewels till they are finished."
Contracts are made in two copies, for you and for dwarves, and the prospectors will return to coincide with completion of the artifact.
1180 AD, Mid-Autumn
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Glasswork in Ysirene returned only small profits this year, merchants report.
1180 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury; the glassware is sent to Ysirene.
The dwarven prospectors return just as the smelly runemasters leave the dank prison cell they were working at.
"What your mines are mining today is the amount of minerals Methiant has. All the metals, precious or otherwise, jewels and fine sand suitable for glassmaking, they are all exploited already."
The runemasters unwrap the long bronze shaft from the old rag they had covered it with. The shaft is two-and-half meters long, and is made of bronze, but has a shine as if waxed to perfection. A small eschutcheon on the top, made with silver plate, and the green and red eagle of Yoean Dynasty is patterned from all kinds of gemstones; peridots, rubies, sardonyxes, red amethysts, green opals.
The Advisor leans in to whisper.
"How we shall proceed, Lady Empress?"
A) "We shall get rid of the dwarves with help of a razor or two!!"
B) "They finished their work, and must be paid, such is order of things!"
C) "I shall ask them to postpone the payment for the artifact."
//I forgot the Winter stuff and glasswork sales, so event is redone ;v
Post by: Rockeater on June 30, 2018, 04:53:23 am
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Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on June 30, 2018, 08:06:35 am
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Post by: Hotfire90 on June 30, 2018, 09:33:45 am
Post by: omada on June 30, 2018, 10:38:48 am
B
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2018, 10:46:46 am
Post by: Weirdsound on June 30, 2018, 11:44:55 am
No more minerals? Yeah we might need to use that new artifact for expansion. I wonder if Cyl would be interested in a joint campaign against that pirate people to his north? We know they have both salt and furs on that small stretch of land of his side of the mountains.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 30, 2018, 02:11:07 pm
Post by: omada on June 30, 2018, 03:13:33 pm
No more minerals? Yeah we might need to use that new artifact for expansion. I wonder if Cyl would be interested in a joint campaign against that pirate people to his north? We know they have both salt and furs on that small stretch of land of his side of the mountains.
I think those pirates go further north where they get their furs and they have nice trade partnership with heliste and cydwyl, we need more is to find non mineral resources for us to exploit like ketton cloth or whatever
there is also the option of the dwarves lying, but as they were very trustfull in their contracts till now I don't think this new king will be very different
this gave me somehow desire to focus on a greater colonization effort to get closer to the mountains of our treaty before anyone else do that (anyone being helliste, my first idea when sleepy was to create a joint colonization effort with cydwyl and don't let helliste room to grow
although we will get large lands to protect and that will be shitty
Post by: andrea on June 30, 2018, 03:18:23 pm
I wonder if we can convince them to go prospecting in orcworld...
speaking of which, what is the status of the gate? it has been a while since we shut down the doors due to the storm.
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2018, 04:45:00 am
Three days later, you feel that there is someone getting upset over the solitary confinement of your womb. Cyl is not here yet (he is developing an annoying habit, isn't he?), but you guess the babies aren't really good enough at being patient. It seems your husband is going to miss this one too.
Never a dull moment with them. As you feel the contractions and pain of these mount up, the maidens take you to one of your bedchambers as healers are called and brought in, too.
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After another few hours of discomfort, pain and crying, finally, the fruit of your labour gives off its first shriek. Everyone is happy that the chld is well and alive, considering its a slight bit early, and you pat the healing stone that, since the first time, has been - as a precaution - kept by your side. Surely its the work of the stone.
Now, it is the time for the greatest and most important of celeberations in the eyes of the Priests of the God of the Family - naming of the child!
What it will be?
A) Ciri.
B) Esta.
C) Kayra.
D) Morgan.
E) Eirike.
F) Eiri.
G) Sela.
H) Elana.
I) Gwynna.
J) Edda.
K) (submit your own)
Post by: helmacon on July 01, 2018, 05:16:10 am
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Post by: omada on July 01, 2018, 10:37:47 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2018, 11:10:39 am
This is probably why we shouldn't be allowed to name babies though. :p
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2018, 11:14:40 am
Cyl's side of the family has seen a King Erik and a Queen Mother Erika. Eirike would continue that tradition nicely.
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2018, 11:58:35 am
1180 AD, Next Evening
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The fever that you picked up in the morning has flared in intensity. Cyl is at your bed, having arrived just an hour ago.
The pain is unbearable and healers are busy administering medicine to your ill self. They're however sure that it must be a fever related to the childbirth.
1180 AD, Two days later
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Finally, you wake up without much pain, although you still feel the fever lingering in your body.
While the maidens help you up from the bed, the healers and the Advisor question the wisdom of this move.
"Lady Empress, you're still sick. Tis unwise to leave the bed so soon." The old man says, stepping forward to block the door.
A) "I have an Empire to run."
B) "Few more days, then."
Post by: Kashyyk on July 01, 2018, 12:08:11 pm
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Post by: Twinwolf on July 01, 2018, 12:20:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 01, 2018, 12:26:48 pm
Give Cyl a chance to
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2018, 12:32:18 pm
We should push it. Ruberta dying of childbirth complications while the husband is in town would allow us to crown Cyl and unite the two nations. We will not get a better opportunity until Doge comes of age.
-It will be Childbirth that killed Ruberta, and we will have a baby as proof. Nobody could accuse Cyl of foul play to take the throne.
-Happiness and Imperial authority is high. Methiant will not object.
-Cydwyl's own king will be promoted to Empire. Cydwyl will not object, and if they do, Cyl can ride north with the Methianese army at his back.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 01, 2018, 12:32:58 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 01, 2018, 12:46:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2018, 01:00:20 pm
You decide to rest a bit more.
1180 AD, Three days later
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You get back to good health after resting and medication.
Cyl promises not to burden your body with more babies, especially that the medics aren't sure that any future pregnancy will end fortunately.
1180 AD, Midwinter
The near-ancient Lady Auvena has passed away in her sleep. She will be remembered by the palace's staff as a loving matron and teacher of newly employed servants.
1180 AD, Late Winter
And speaking of dying, a letter has arrived from a temple near Rainbow Lizard Mountains; the old monk, Ustwelf, son of Cyl, has died of old age as well just a week ago.
1180 AD, End of the Year
While you and Cyl are resting in the bedchambers, you breastfeeding little Ciri and Cyl composing a response to a letter from his court, the Advisor knocks on the door and steps in.
Ah, right, the Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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Happiness: 7
Population: 6
Economy: 4
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: +2
"This peaceful year saw some increase in the numbers of Army, and it is currently nearing its maintenance and budgeting limits. With the profitable trading and surplus of precious metals, the higher echelons of the Army clamor that their budget should be increased even further."
A) "Sure thing, our Army shall be the greatest!"
B) "No."
"And of course, I need to ask you, Lady Empress, whether you would like to issue an Edict?"
A) "No."
B) "Some paperwork is long overdue, yes."
"The Cartographers have also finished expanding the Imperial Map." The Advisor unfurls a huge, stitched together piece of cloth and linen. "Please, have a look, Lady Empress."
Spoiler: Imperial Methiantese Map, 1180 AD (click to show/hide)
And as an added bonus, dynasty tree!
Spoiler: Them Yoeans (click to show/hide)
Post by: Criptfeind on July 01, 2018, 01:07:12 pm
A
Don't have the cash reserves.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2018, 01:19:42 pm
We are out of minerals. If we want more money in the future, we are going to need to take more resources by force at some point. As for edicts, everything worth while on the list should wait until after we merge with Cydwyl.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 01, 2018, 01:31:42 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 01, 2018, 02:16:19 pm
Did the Dwarves survey Orkworld?
Post by: mightymushroom on July 01, 2018, 02:18:15 pm
We are out of minerals. If we want more money in the future, we are going to need to take more resources by force at some point. As for edicts, everything worth while on the list should wait until after we merge with Cydwyl.
Not to disagree with the basic premise, but where? West is Ruberta's homeland we simply can't attack unless they make a first move, north is her husband's domain that we intend to peacefully integrate, east is Parsia with whom we still have 7 years of peace treaty if our word means anything, or Gubta with whom we're trading spices, and south is Lametania protected by the Rucusians who can call on the whole Damdamian conglomerate. We've been very successful peace brokers.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 01, 2018, 02:33:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2018, 02:47:32 pm
north is her husband's domain that we intend to peacefully integrate.
And further north than that is a nation of pirates. Just that tiny bit of Albion on Cyl's side of the mountians is known to have both Salt and Furs. We can take that land and split its resources with Cydwyl. We would probably have enough troops left to march across the mountains and take the rest of Albion to boot.
south is Lametania protected by the Rucusians who can call on the whole Damdamian conglomerate.
Rucusians are aligned with the Eldricans. This is bad for us on the surface, but it also means that they could get dragged into fighting Eldrican's wars at any time. When that happens, we could swoop in and grab up Lamentania while they are busy.
east is Parsia with whom we still have 7 years of peace treaty if our word means anything, or Gubta with whom we're trading spices
As for Parsia and Gubta, I don't trust either of them. Gubta is kind of getting a raw trade deal, and we are basically occupying Parsia. I wouldn't start shit with either nation, but I'd gladly finish anything that they might start.
One question.
Did the Dwarves survey Orkworld?
Better question: Did the poison gas go away yet?
Post by: Haspen on July 01, 2018, 03:32:27 pm
One question.
Did the Dwarves survey Orkworld?
Better question: Did the poison gas go away yet?
The magical toxic dust storm is still happening.
Post by: ZBridges on July 01, 2018, 03:48:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 01, 2018, 04:06:53 pm
BB
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2018, 04:48:42 pm
I wonder if we can just step up our protectorate relationship with Parsia some more. They get off upsettingly easily from that war.
BB
In 7 years, when the Peace Treaty expires, sure. I'd be down to shake them down for resources or even straight up invade them, but it is not worth breaking an agreement over; We need to come across as at least somewhat trustworthy.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 01, 2018, 05:10:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 02, 2018, 12:05:10 am
1181 AD, Spring
It seems that people regard you as "the Good"!
The prosperity, peace and happiness enjoyed by the people of Methiant during your reign have persuaded them that you're the model of a good, efficient, just leader, and so they will be more willing to endure hardships if something happens. This could even help in the times of internal instability, because which blockheaded rebel would really, really want to take up arms against such an Empress like you?
The historians can't help but note that you're first in many centuries to obtain this title - there were strong leaders, there were brave leaders, but you are the first that is good.
Few days later, the diplomatic corps bring news. The King of Helliste, Aubjorn, has recently became father to a healthy boy, and is looking to obtain a relationship with Methiant by the way of bethroting one of local Princesses to his son and heir, Sigurd.
You decide to set up a marriage between Sigurd and...
A) Your eldest daughter, Rinilda.
B) No one, for Helliste isn't within your interests.
C) Cylia, your second and Cyl's first daughter.
D) Ciri, who was also born only a while ago.
Post by: crazyabe on July 02, 2018, 12:07:27 am
D.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 02, 2018, 12:24:48 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 02, 2018, 06:21:41 am
As for Helliste... Not really impressed with them in the last war tbh. But... They are allies. And within a generation we could share borders with them. So I guesss soooo...
D
Post by: mightymushroom on July 02, 2018, 06:51:23 am
Post by: Haspen on July 02, 2018, 09:44:15 am
1181 AD, Mid-Spring
Apparently, the young writer from last year has finished his work, and has presented it to some of Pantheonist high clergy. Witnesses say that most of the elders were awestruck at the performance and the Archpriest himself was moved to tears, because 'nobody before presented the tales of the Gods in a way so beautiful'.
The nobles at your court are talking about 'Descent and After' day by day. Mayhaps it is worth a listen?
A) Truly, I should witness this beauty of a performance myself!
B) I have no time for artistic pieces, sorry.
Post by: helmacon on July 02, 2018, 09:46:30 am
Buildin dat culture bois.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 02, 2018, 10:02:01 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 02, 2018, 10:02:41 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 02, 2018, 10:07:11 am
But only of we get to wear our pretty dress! Which... Ooh! We should sponsor some seamstresses! Maybe we can get some fancy duds in the future too!
Post by: Weirdsound on July 02, 2018, 10:21:21 am
Post by: omada on July 02, 2018, 03:51:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 02, 2018, 04:38:31 pm
Alogn with (some of) your courtiers, your maidservants, and little Rinilda, you visit the local ampitheatre that was built by the state's money.
The highlights of this performance are actually moments where the chorus shines; instead of just two solid choruses, there are parts when one voice from the chorus speaks to the actor, and the choral voice is then echo'd by the rest of its chorus, and then they sing praise or insults at the hero ('the First King'), together in melodic intonation; the other chorus has deeper voices and mostly advises or tempts the hero to do evil or otherwise think of himself. Quite dynamic, this, and even further developed from what the writer told you earlier.
The story explains the Descent of Pantheon, the enlightenment of Man due to that event, and the creation of the First Kingdom under the First King (The Hero), who then had to solve several difficult crises - but all problems were fixed when he did what Pantheon ('The Good Chorus') suggested, even if that meant hardship and pain, while all the easy yet cruel alternatives offered by King's advisors and warlords ('The Evil Chorus') were discarded. The First Queen ('The Lady') was always there, shooing away the Evil Chorus or offering warmth and support to the Hero when he began to doubt himself.
The ending scene is as follows.
First King (raising a sword): "This my Kingdom! The first Kingdom of Man! The greatest in all history!"
Wife (embracing him): "Proud is my heart and mind!" (to Good Chorus) "Praise be! He is the greatest of Kings!"
Good Chorus (praising): "Praise be! He embodies the virtues of Pantheon!"
Evil Chorus (tempting): "Now seize the power of Gods, to become King of Heavens!"
Good Chorus (begging): "Be virtuous! Resist the temptation! Praise be!"
Evil Chorus (hissing): "You can reach greater heights! Why stop here, when you can have so much more? All you need to do, is pierce them!!"
Wife (shielding First King from Evil Chorus with her own body): "Be silent, do not tempt him! No more!!"
First King (steps before the Wife): "No more doubt, there is in me! For I am glad with what I have, for it is clad in blessing of Pantheon!" (to the Evil Chorus) "To the underworld with you, fiends!"
The First King 'stabs' the members of Evil Chorus, who all collapse.
First King (triumphiantly): "And now, the land is free of temptation, strife, and evil, and Pantheon reigns supreme!"
Good Chorus (praising): "Praise be the one who is with the Pantheon, for he will be bright and just! May he reign forever~!" Trumpets, drums and horns then issued a cacophonic yet triumphant noise, as the Good Chorus collapsed around the First King, who raised the sword up, prideful and victorious.
The spectators all burst into applause, shouting and cheering.
A) Is this the thing I wasted so much money on!?
B) BRAVO! BRAVO! ENCORE!!
C) Adequate, I guess.
Post by: Twinwolf on July 02, 2018, 04:44:33 pm
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Post by: birdy51 on July 02, 2018, 04:48:56 pm
Brings a tear, even to my saltless eyes.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 02, 2018, 05:03:49 pm
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Post by: Haspen on July 03, 2018, 10:11:25 am
Actually. This just reminded me of something: Didn't we order a statue of Yoe II to be built somewhere in our empire before we sponsored this performance? Whatever happened to that?
If you talk about peasant donation money, it was used to up the Treasury a notch, not to sponsor a statue.
You approve of the spectacle. With government's endorsement, Pantheonist help and people's love for such kind of entertainment, soon more writers will follow, and maybe even the actors and choral voices will gain some recognition, too.
Few days later, Cyl returns to Cydwyl, having his own state to run.
1181 AD, Late Spring
A bit late, but the silverware selling report comes in!
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Some profits were made.
1181 AD, Summer
A terrible scandal arises!
Some young historian has recently had stumbled upon some old diaries, and in his curiosity he had brought up a rather shocking truth into the light - one of Doge's great-grandmothers was apparently not a noblewoman, but a peasant girl working in castle stables!
You decide to...
A) Acknowledge the fact.
B) Deny it fervently.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 03, 2018, 10:14:58 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 03, 2018, 10:45:13 am
If the scandal involved Ruberta's ancestors in Eldrican, A. We can argue that the common blood is in our own veins as well, and it has not affected our ability to rule.
If the scandal somehow happened to House Yoe on our watch (which I doubt), B. We need to protect the reputation of the greatest bloodline in SPAMKINGDOM history.
If the scandal occurred back in Cydwyl with our husband's ancestors, B. We could make the same arguments for Cyl as we make for ourselves, but Cydwyl is a much more traditional place, and we don't want to piss our husband off or land him in hot water by dragging up dirt on his ancestors.
Post by: helmacon on July 03, 2018, 11:24:54 am
We have the council and the crown to buff authority. It's no big deal.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 03, 2018, 11:35:24 am
A no matter what.
We have the council and the crown to buff authority. It's no big deal.
I'm not worried about how Methiant reacts, I'm worried about how Cydwyl reacts, and I don't think our crown or council has any pull there.
...You know what. I'll just vote B.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 03, 2018, 12:10:46 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 03, 2018, 12:56:01 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 03, 2018, 12:56:42 pm
We can not risk Doge being deemed an illegitimate heir to Cydwyl. Furthermore, if Doge is considered Illegitimate, so will either all our or Cyl's children be.
Post by: Haspen on July 03, 2018, 01:20:16 pm
You're sure your authority took a hit.
1181 AD, Autumn
Synch'd, the merchants provide reports on sales of spice, glasswork and springwine.
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The glasswork brought greatest profits, while spices both filled the Treasury and made your noblemen chant praise. Springwine sales, while moderate at best, contributed to the Treasury's numbers as well.
1181 AD, Mid-Autumn
A delegation of Damedian envoys, or to be more accurate, theologians, have arrived at your court. They are asking if you have a moment to talk about their Lord and Father, the great Damed.
A) Shut the castle gates in front of their noses.
B) Let them in, for they bring enlightenment.
Post by: birdy51 on July 03, 2018, 01:31:32 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 03, 2018, 01:33:18 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 03, 2018, 01:54:03 pm
Post by: omada on July 03, 2018, 02:04:01 pm
Post by: Imic on July 03, 2018, 03:39:11 pm
The polite thing to do when political weirdos come along is to invite them in, give them a biscuit, and stare at them judgingly for their entire speech, blinking as little as possible and never breaking eye contact. Then, say good luck to them, and throw them out. Ignore everything they say and burn the pemphlets afterwards.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on July 03, 2018, 03:42:54 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 03, 2018, 03:55:34 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 03, 2018, 03:58:04 pm
Post by: Imic on July 03, 2018, 04:00:19 pm
To confirm: we're only choosing to let them speak, right? Not just straight up converting right now?Don't worry, if push comes to shove we can have a civil discussion with Haspen and explain to him quietly that we did not want this.
Ha ha just kidding we'll find his house and murder him if he converts us to their proto-Mormanism.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 03, 2018, 05:42:18 pm
To confirm: we're only choosing to let them speak, right? Not just straight up converting right now?Don't worry, if push comes to shove we can have a civil discussion with Haspen and explain to him quietly that we did not want this.
Ha ha just kidding we'll find his house and murder him if he converts us to their proto-Mormanism.
Geeze, if you feel so strongly about it, just vote A :p
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I'm also voting B. I wasn't involved in the first SPAMKINGDOM, so I don't have the raging hate boner for the Damedians that I suspect some people here possess. We should under no circumstances convert; Cyl sought us out as a wife as he reasoned that the Pantheonist nations should stick together, so we can cite both our love for him and desire to peacefully merge with his strictly Pantheonist nation as reasons to politely decline conversion.
That said, we SHOULD throw them a bone if at all possible; Sponsor a temple or something. Maintaining a healthy relationship with the Damdamians is important for several reasons:
1: At some point, we will likely send our armies north or east to fight Gubta, Parsia, Albion, or Rosamana. I'm more than a little concerned that the Damdamians might decide to take advantage of such an opportunity and march on us if our troops are away from home, but the more friendly we are to them, the less likely it is that it will happen.
2: Damdamian nations seem more than willing to buy stuff from us. We don't need their religious leaders deciding they don't like us, and telling their King's to stop buying Methianese Goods.
3: Damdamians are allowed to practice slavery. We are not. Once the toxic dust dies down in Orcworld, if the Orcs are still alive, we could sell the Damdamians permits to pass through our fort and hunt Orcish Slaves. This could earn us money, and keep the savage population in check.
4: I strongly suspect that Ruberta grew up praticing the Damdamian faith. I don't think it would be in character for her to be mean to the religion practiced by her family back home in Eldrican.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 03, 2018, 06:33:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 03, 2018, 08:20:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 03, 2018, 11:23:34 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 03, 2018, 11:47:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 04, 2018, 12:05:38 am
"Greeings, Empress of Methiant. It has come to our notice that while your country has allowed its people to be enlightened by the teachings of the Father, there's only a token amount of places of worship, and chiefly in the southlands. Therefore our superior, Archpriest Sparagus Pulpius of Damedia, is requesting that you build a large temple, able to house several hundred, in the capital city of Methe, so that all Damedian worshippers have a place to pilgrimage and pray at with each other."
"Why don't you build it from your own money?" The Advisor asks, and the priests smile.
"It is not our country, and thus, not our coffers. And if the Empress builds a temple from her own violition and wealth, it will sure be seen as a gesture of goodwill by all Damedians."
A) "Cute. Now scram, before I get angry."
B) "You want a temple? Fine. Here's your building permit."
C) "You're asking nicely, so I will build you Damedians a temple in the capital.
Post by: Prophet on July 04, 2018, 12:16:24 am
Post by: crazyabe on July 04, 2018, 12:16:29 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 04, 2018, 12:45:05 am
Post by: ZBridges on July 04, 2018, 01:06:21 am
Post by: Rockeater on July 04, 2018, 01:33:52 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 04, 2018, 01:48:42 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 04, 2018, 02:33:59 am
Post by: melkor on July 04, 2018, 02:40:49 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 04, 2018, 02:59:34 am
The house of Yoe practices the tradition of building temples for whomever the hell asks.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 04, 2018, 03:12:50 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 04, 2018, 05:59:34 am
We don't have religious equality anymore. There was a war fought over that.
I don't get why we'd want to voluntarily take the downsides of religious equality when we're not allowed the upsides we want either.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 04, 2018, 06:05:53 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 04, 2018, 06:20:17 am
Post by: helmacon on July 04, 2018, 06:50:23 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 04, 2018, 08:01:22 am
Damed is just trouble, it was used as apolitical infiltration tool in the first game.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 04, 2018, 09:11:19 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 04, 2018, 10:32:09 am
I don't think Ruberta would like the idea.
Post by: omada on July 04, 2018, 11:15:47 am
we still wan't that trade route
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 04, 2018, 11:48:11 am
Post by: milo christiansen on July 04, 2018, 11:53:25 am
Post by: Imic on July 05, 2018, 01:58:10 pm
Now fuck off.
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2018, 12:03:43 am
You happily announce that you will welcome a temple of Damed, if only they build one themselves; for this, you order the city administrator to write them up a building permit. Funds they will have none.
After short bout of whispers between themselves, the priests of Damed thank you for your generosity and leave with the document in haste.
1181 AD, Winter
Silver, gold and gemstones arrive in the Treasury; glasswares venture south. Few days later...
You're sitting by Rinilda's bed. Her eyes are closed, her breath irregular and her face is red with whatever affliction that has beset her body. She is struggling for her life, with help of the court medics, but it is clear that the siituation is severe and she might not survive next day.
A) Find me the best medic in the city of Methe!
B) I shall pray to Pantheon for her life!
Post by: ZBridges on July 06, 2018, 12:07:26 am
Post by: Prophet on July 06, 2018, 12:07:32 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2018, 12:10:58 am
I'd imagine "best medic in the city of Methe" is already working for us and thus attending to Rinilda.
...Don't forget to put the magic Pantheon blessed totally not a scam health stone under her pillow as well.
Post by: crazyabe on July 06, 2018, 12:41:42 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2018, 01:18:08 am
A. Perhaps we could see about getting a dwarf to look her over? the smelly bastards likely know something about treating illness if their cleaning habits are anything to go off...
The post makes it seems like she is going to die in a day, and I doubt we have a dwarf within a day's reach.
Post by: melkor on July 06, 2018, 02:29:02 am
Post by: milo christiansen on July 06, 2018, 02:38:00 am
Post by: Rockeater on July 06, 2018, 03:20:07 am
Post by: Imic on July 06, 2018, 03:39:42 am
Can't we do both?+1
A if not.
Post by: birdy51 on July 06, 2018, 06:36:05 am
We must PRAY!
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 06, 2018, 08:18:10 am
Post by: mightymushroom on July 06, 2018, 08:43:31 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 06, 2018, 08:55:00 am
Post by: Taricus on July 06, 2018, 09:05:18 am
Post by: omada on July 06, 2018, 01:36:36 pm
oh damn A and if he give a good job let's hire him as a court physician
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2018, 05:51:54 pm
bbbbbbb
You pray to the Pantheon gods the hardest you ever did. You beg the god of Healing, the god of Children, god of Death, and several others.
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Alas, the next morning, the Advisor has to pry the cold hand of Rinilda from the grip of your fingers. Neither the court medics nor the prayers saved your daughter's life. She is pale, she is asleep, and she looks very, very peaceful now.
1181 AD, End of the Year
You let out a sigh when the Advisor piles the Scrolls of Kingdom Status on your desk. You unravel the vellum and begin reading on the numbers.
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5to6, 1to5(1to5)
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 8
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: +2
"My Empress! Methiant is at its greatest peaks since, well, quite a while! Your subjects are happy, the Treasury is filled with wealth, and the massive Imperial Army is conducting drills every day to drive their combat preparedness beyond any standard. The officers claim that it would be a waste of opportunity if we wouldn't test our steel and Fireblood against someone - any pretext would work with them, they say!"
A) No war, we're champions of peace.
B) Time to kick the Lametanians down a notch.
C) About time Parsians are brought down to their knees.
D) Let's fight the Eldricans and put Graine in charge of Koi afterwards!
E) Damedian preachers are using Rucus as a gate - time to shut it close!
F) -
"Meanwhile, the peoples of Methiant prepared some monetary donations for the state, lady Empress."
A) "Let them have it."
B) -
C) "I will build myself a statue with that coin!"
"And the Treasurer believes that we ought to spend some of the accumulated money on something, lest the metal coins accrue all sort of junk on them!"
A) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
B) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
C) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
D) -
E) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
F) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
"Any Edicts this year, Lady Empress?"
A) "Per usual."
B) "Sure thing!"
The Advisor then rolls open the map of Methiant and local region for you, but there doesn't seem to be any actual changes made to it this year.
Post by: crazyabe on July 06, 2018, 05:55:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 06, 2018, 05:56:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 06, 2018, 06:04:18 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 06, 2018, 06:07:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2018, 06:09:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2018, 06:17:34 pm
Edit: I also wish we had to option to try and ask our husband if we could march through Cydwyl to attack Albion. They have a bunch of resources that we could use.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 06, 2018, 06:23:39 pm
Also if we make orcworld habitable on the back of dwarven magics that means we risk loosing a chunk of our kingdom and god knows how many people dying next time they get offended by us.
I'm swapping my vote to sorceress because although going statue mad was funny it clearly wasn't going to win, and if people are interested in such an artifact I'd support it over the other options.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 06, 2018, 06:25:44 pm
If we want an artifact to fight the dust storm, I wonder if the sorceress isn't the better idea, when we got an artifact from her, we were allowed to specify the effect it would have.
Also if we make orcworld habitable on the back of dwarven magics that means we risk loosing a chunk of our kingdom and god knows how many people dying next time they get offended by us.
I'm swapping my vote to sorceress because although going statue mad was funny it clearly wasn't going to win, and if people are interested in such an artifact I'd support it over the other options.
You know, I had the exact same thought, but went with the dwarf option because there was already a vote for it, but since you changed your vote, I'll change mine.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 06, 2018, 07:34:39 pm
need more statues
Post by: Taricus on July 06, 2018, 08:28:38 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 06, 2018, 09:12:12 pm
A
A
A
Post by: mightymushroom on July 06, 2018, 09:15:28 pm
C
B - First I want to try bribing Lametania back to our sphere of influence.
A
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 06, 2018, 10:26:51 pm
Let's take down lametania and make peace with the nearby damnedians that might come to their aid.
Post by: Haspen on July 07, 2018, 07:31:02 am
aaea aaea aaea
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Once again, you shall seek services of a Sorceress.
1182 AD, Spring
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5to6
The selling of fine quality silver crafts made by your craftsmen brought many profits this year!
1182 AD, Mid-Spring
Treason! Or is it?
Three nights ago, one of the Spymaster's agents have attended a wedding party of a young noble couple, which Deathan was also attending.
The conversation between the nobles, after many hours of dancing and many goblets of wine, slipped to the politics of the future at one point, and someone asked Deathan, if - hypothetically - Methiant falls to foreign influence or into hands of some tyrant, woudl he rise in rebellion and take the throne for himself to bring stability to the Empire and restore the rule of Yoean dynasty. Deathan, by then quite drunk, said 'yes', and noblemen who asked him this question, half-jokingly, pledged their support to him.
The Spymaster decided not to ignore this and reported to you right away.
A) He is conspiring to rebel against me! Execute him!
B) Tighten security around him and his noblemen friends. He is plotting something.
C) Drunken schemings don't scare me.
D) Time to talk the youth down, lest he grows too bold!
Post by: ZBridges on July 07, 2018, 07:36:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on July 07, 2018, 07:42:27 am
Post by: Rockeater on July 07, 2018, 08:34:38 am
Post by: helmacon on July 07, 2018, 09:02:22 am
we have a big stick, but let's try speaking softly first.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 07, 2018, 09:45:27 am
Lets test the CHA jewelry.
Post by: Haspen on July 07, 2018, 10:11:00 am
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You speak with him about the noblemen party and he blushes, admitting that he wasn't really paying attention to what they were saying and once they pledged support, he was too embarassed (and too drunk) to do anything.
As he speaks, you detect a certain unpleasant smell. It comes from... Deathan?
A) This is the stench of fear, for he fears what can I do. A proper reaction, to be honest.
B) This is the odour of unwashed male. Gotta berate him for being a slob, he won't find a spouse like that!
C) This is the smell of spilled alcohol. Since when he has his own stash of Springwine?
Post by: birdy51 on July 07, 2018, 10:15:53 am
I am a bit surprised by this. People tend to like us right? Not against D, since it would be good for him to explain just what his intents are. Especially since no one is doubting our regal authority.
Sniped by an update.
B
We are the mother to our people. See our son get a bath!
Post by: Rockeater on July 07, 2018, 10:20:15 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 07, 2018, 10:24:05 am
It wouldn't do for our... Brother in law? (I think.) To become a drunkard.
Post by: TankKit on July 07, 2018, 10:50:36 am
Post by: Haspen on July 07, 2018, 10:53:02 am
I have returned! And would just like to say I am enjoying this so far, just got to the part where the Advisor makes the boy old with the ray and I'm pretty sure I know the reference.
Criken vids best vids.
/me hifives.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 07, 2018, 10:53:41 am
It wouldn't do for our... Brother in law? (I think.) To become a drunkard.
C
Especially one with so much more potential than Saenn.
Too drunk to know when people are enlisting you in an uprising against your sister-in-law and one of the most popular rulers ever is too drunk, full stop.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 07, 2018, 10:55:22 am
I'm going to vote A. If he is a coward, he wont do stupid shit like a drunk, and we can still marry him off.
Post by: TankKit on July 07, 2018, 10:55:43 am
*Returns hifive*I have returned! And would just like to say I am enjoying this so far, just got to the part where the Advisor makes the boy old with the ray and I'm pretty sure I know the reference.
Criken vids best vids.
/me hifives.
Post by: omada on July 07, 2018, 12:14:47 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 08, 2018, 04:40:34 am
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2018, 04:56:31 am
Congratulations! Deathan gains meek negative trait!
1182 AD, Summer
Interesting report arrives from the court Priest.
It seems that over the years, the influence of religions other than Pantheon has been steadily dropping. More and more Methiantese subjects embrace the old faith, worshipping the myraid of Gods and Goddesses. Whole families, who were once devout Alldiviners or Singularists for generations, return under the Pantheon umbrella, receiving a warm welcome.
A) As it should be.
B) This is troubling.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 08, 2018, 05:10:59 am
Post by: helmacon on July 08, 2018, 05:18:01 am
they are free to worship anything, but this is rather convenient.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 08, 2018, 05:27:06 am
Post by: ZBridges on July 08, 2018, 05:29:10 am
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2018, 05:45:31 am
1182 AD, Midsummer
During this quite warm evening, you decide to walk around the top towers to enjoy the breeze and look at the perfectly cloudless, star-lit sky.
The peaceful moment is ruined because some owl perches on the cranellations and looks down at you. It is silvery with tips of its feathers being black.
"Aren't you a greedy one, hoo-hoo." You nearly backflip due to this unexpected talk from the damned feathered ball of fluff.
A) Evacuate from the tower immediately.
B) Stare back at the impertinent owl.
C) Try to a start a conversation with the wise bird.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2018, 05:47:14 am
Post by: Rockeater on July 08, 2018, 05:47:25 am
Post by: ZBridges on July 08, 2018, 05:47:29 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2018, 05:47:43 am
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2018, 05:56:29 am
"Are you messenger of the Sorceress?" The bird hoo-hoo's in agitation, flapping its wings.
"Foo-l! I am messenger of the Wizards, and I bring a message from the ones concerned about your wellbeing." The bird flies away from cranellations and perches on the tiled roof of the tower. It is clad in shadows, its eyes glowing golden.
"In your pursuit of magical trinkets, you're letting the chaotic powers of Sorceresses run wild around the place."
"I'm not exactly sure what you're implying, bird." The owl hoo-hoos at you again.
"You're treading on thin ice, is what would a human say. The more you associate with Sorceresses, the thinner the ice gets. Pay attention it doesn't crash under your weight."
A) "I'm afraid of nothing, silly bird!"
B) "I will consider the Wizards' warning."
Post by: Criptfeind on July 08, 2018, 05:58:15 am
Okay, sorry wizards. We'll be good...
Can we cancel the call for the sorceress as well Haspen? Or at least ask the bird about it.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2018, 06:08:08 am
If a Sorceress answers our call, we will not risk her wrath by turning her away. But we will gladly refrain from inviting any more. Tell the Owl as much and thank it for the warning.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 08, 2018, 06:09:21 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 08, 2018, 06:16:17 am
Post by: TankKit on July 08, 2018, 06:21:01 am
So no more asking for for a sorceress, got it.
And yes, some clarification as to what the disaster is would be nice.
Then again, Wizards.
Post by: helmacon on July 08, 2018, 06:51:56 am
Post by: mightymushroom on July 08, 2018, 07:40:55 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 08, 2018, 08:06:04 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 08, 2018, 08:49:28 am
Wise owls are wise.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 08, 2018, 08:58:50 am
Post by: Prophet on July 08, 2018, 11:21:09 am
Post by: omada on July 08, 2018, 01:21:16 pm
we don't call sorcerers and the magic dissipates
our objectives are hard to achieve
C So how to maintain the beauty of magic in our kingdom from fading away, or how can we make humans magic again like the tales of old? Tech give us confort but it's so grey and sad oh wise bird, how can we proceed?
Post by: Prophet on July 08, 2018, 01:27:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 08, 2018, 01:28:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 08, 2018, 02:33:46 pm
"Very good." The owl then flaps its wings and takes off into the night sky at the speed that should be not possible to any bird, let alone an owl.
1182 AD, Late Summer
Sorceress Cortana Tigereye is here! Riding her devilish fire-breathing dog, she leads her entourage of grotesque steel flamingos and slugbears, all chained and leashed by the hairy cyclopi. This horrific cavalcade enters through the gate, and then straight into your audience room, the monsters eyeing your servants and growling, only to be whipped by the cyclopi.
The Sorceress, a dark-skinned beauty with sapphire-blue hair and golden eyes, dismounts from her dog whole sprawls on the floor, its rear paws sprawled backwards and its tail wagging happily as acidic drool drips from its maw, sizzling on the stones.
"I am Cortana Tigereye, Lady of the Hammer of the Brightest Star, Mistress of the East, Conqueror of Shazalam and Captor of Ar'kut the Creator. I have heard that this petty kingdom is in need of Sorceress' services, so here I came, readily offering my magic for your wealth. What it is that interests you this time, Empress Ruberta?"
A) Ask for an artifact... (details to follow)
B) Ask for a spell that will scare fanciful creatures away from the kingdom's borders.
C) Ask for prosperity and growth for the Kingdom and its populace.
D) Ask for a mighty beast to be bound as your pet/mount/guardian/something like that.
E) Ask for wisdom about many things.
F) Ask for skills of elite battlemaster.
G) Ask for charisma and silvertongue.
H) Ask for endurance and better health.
I) -
J) Ask for a spell that will make your soldiers stronger.
K) Ask for health and prosperity for your family.
L) Politely explain that you must refuse her services, because of certain, owl-related, reasons.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 08, 2018, 02:43:15 pm
Post by: Rockeater on July 08, 2018, 02:46:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 08, 2018, 02:48:40 pm
It would be cool to get an artifact, but, I think maybe it's best to leave off for now, sadly.
Post by: helmacon on July 08, 2018, 02:52:49 pm
A - An artefact that protects a large area of orc world from the toxic death storm would be nice.+1
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 08, 2018, 02:53:40 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 08, 2018, 02:58:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2018, 03:01:09 pm
A Angering a sorceress by telling her to leave would be unwise.
...Actually, killing off Ruberta here might be a pretty wise play. Happiness and Authority is high. We could likely crown King Cyl as the next Emperor of Methiant and face little risk of pushback from our citizens. Of course, if she is more creative in her wrath, we could be in trouble.
That said, I'm torn down the middle on this one. I really want to fix Orc World, and I suspect that Ruberta may soon get another title for her Sorceress dealings and/or artifact collecting, which would bring her closer to 'The Great' status. Don't particularly care to find out what will happen if the Ice the owl speaks of breaks though.
...I'm 50/50 here. Gonna have to abstain for now.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 08, 2018, 03:01:19 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 08, 2018, 03:02:26 pm
HEED THE WORDS OF HOOOOOOT!
Post by: TankKit on July 08, 2018, 03:07:55 pm
Don't want to risk pissing her off, I'm sure that the wizards will understand.
Now, what would be good for an artifact this time? Any ideas?
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 08, 2018, 03:09:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 08, 2018, 03:12:17 pm
A
Don't want to risk pissing her off, I'm sure that the wizards will understand.
Now, what would be good for an artifact this time? Any ideas?
The reason I initially suggested the Sorceress was to ask for something to end the Orc World Poison Storms.
If her powers cannot affect other worlds, I'd say our second choice should be something to boost our reproductive health and fertility, so we can get back to babymaking. Children are fragile, and our entire plan for absorbing Cydwyl falls to shit if something happens to Prince Doge and we don't have a backup son.
Post by: TankKit on July 08, 2018, 03:40:15 pm
The reason I initially suggested the Sorceress was to ask for something to end the Orc World Poison Storms.Sounds good to me. We have been playing the long diplomatic route of conquest with Cydwyl quite a while after all, the more precautions the better.
If her powers cannot affect other worlds, I'd say our second choice should be something to boost our reproductive health and fertility, so we can get back to babymaking. Children are fragile, and our entire plan for absorbing Cydwyl falls to shit if something happens to Prince Doge and we don't have a backup son.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 08, 2018, 04:44:15 pm
I don't trust the sorceress artifact we have not to do something terrible each time we use it. (Come on, we asked an evil magic user for a mind control device.)
The death of Rinilda and the well-being of her family is surely weighing on Ruberta's mind.
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 08, 2018, 07:00:54 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 08, 2018, 07:59:25 pm
Post by: Baffler on July 08, 2018, 09:14:26 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 08, 2018, 10:42:50 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on July 08, 2018, 11:09:10 pm
Post by: melkor on July 09, 2018, 04:32:02 am
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2018, 10:05:47 am
You decide on an artifact. Cortana yawns as if bored.
"Just a trinket? Well, If you say so."
As for the type of the artifact...
A) An useable weapon.
B) An armor piece.
C) A jewelry piece.
D) An article of clothing.
E) A piece of furniture.
As for the area of effect...
A) 'Wielder' only.
B) Local area.
C) Entire kingdom.
As for effect of the artifact...
A) (specify the effect here)
Post by: Criptfeind on July 09, 2018, 10:11:59 am
C?? (How big is local area?)
A: Protecting from the orcworld duststorm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 09, 2018, 10:39:15 am
Post by: TankKit on July 09, 2018, 10:56:36 am
Anyway, E,B,A: Orcworld Weather Protection.
Post by: milo christiansen on July 09, 2018, 11:13:54 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 09, 2018, 11:55:59 am
Orcworld Weather Protection
Post by: omada on July 09, 2018, 11:59:09 am
ECA) weather (magical or not) protection (explain the orcworld situation), because we want to make sure that the artifact protect whenever our empire scretches inside the orcworld
and maybe it's a very rare stuff the dust, but I am pretty sure that it was the responsible in destroying that mysterious orcworld dead civilization
Post by: birdy51 on July 09, 2018, 12:07:58 pm
Maybe she'll find this one to be an intriguing challenge. Orcworld go!
Post by: mightymushroom on July 09, 2018, 01:27:24 pm
C - of Kingdom
A - Fertility
More subjects means more income and more everything else too!
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2018, 03:08:45 pm
"You want me to up the dwarves? Fine." Cortana Tigereye asks for a bar of iron, a bar of lead, and a bar of copper; these are easily provided by the palatial smiths.
She has the cyclopi bend the lead into shape of a circle, while the copper is melted down and then crushed into tiny speckles by the fiery dog's breath and paws. Then the iron bar is snapped into three pieces by the cyclopi. The flamingos then swoop everything in their beaks and deliver them into hands of the Sorceress.
She takes a breath, which causes the air in the throne room to visibly recede toward her mouth. The blows into her hands, causing a nobleman-toppling, furniture-flying gust of terrific wind. Everyone lands on the floor, and nobodty sees the magic of the Sorceress at work because a blizzard of bright golden snow engulfs her and then the entirety of the room.
Once she is done and the gold snow dissipates, there is a pitch black candlestick in the Sorceress' left hand. She holds it rather triumphiantly, and the candle on it is as if made of bronze, and the flame is an unusual one; it is dark blue and rather than pointing upwards, it is as if hugging the knot and the bronze candle - not a speck of material is melting however.
Slowly, Cortana approaches the throne and hands you the candlestick, and your fingers both freeze and sear on the tips in the same moment. The candlestick seems as if made of metals, but it is as light as a piece of rolled fabric its size would be.
"What item could be it be?"
Cortana snickers at you and brushes her hair.
"Candlestick of Weather. The fire neither burns nor can be extinguished."
Sorceress Tigereye then conjures up a scroll, which lands in the Treasurer's hands. He blinks several times at it and then at you, before moving up to you.
"No need for whispering, of course the price is higher than usual. Also, I must tell you, that we, the Sorceresses, have noted that you like to employ our services, and that you have Treasury full of wealth to share. Now, I want my part of it."
A) "May I negotiate a price down?"
B) "I refuse to pay such an exorbitant price!"
C) "Of course, you will have your riches."
Post by: crazyabe on July 09, 2018, 03:10:09 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 09, 2018, 03:12:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 09, 2018, 03:30:57 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 09, 2018, 03:32:12 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 09, 2018, 03:55:29 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 09, 2018, 04:04:21 pm
Post by: Imic on July 09, 2018, 05:27:18 pm
Don't haggle with the Mistresses of magic.
Haggling with the masters of magic is alright though, they'll probably just make you go to the Citadel of black, evil doom rather than the stronghold of fire and fury, usually because it'll be funnier.
Post by: helmacon on July 09, 2018, 09:30:32 pm
A
Post by: Prophet on July 09, 2018, 10:40:53 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 09, 2018, 11:13:25 pm
Ask them to do the most powerful magic we ever have.
Good plan!
C so we are so broke we never ask for their help again.
Post by: omada on July 10, 2018, 12:56:19 am
we got a +2 and got a -2 by angry sorcerer
got a 5 in the end that saved 2 economy
this time we might not have a +2 because our artifact is from a sorcerer, it might even backfire
Post by: melkor on July 11, 2018, 05:37:40 am
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2018, 05:30:15 am
Once she leaves and the Treasury is empty, you have the Candlestick transported to the Orcworld portal tunnel.
1182 AD, Autumn
Reports arrive from the Trade Commission about recent profits from trade.
Quote
1, 1, 2to5
Spices and glasswork sold poorly, but at least managed to bring some profits. Springwine didn't do better, either.
There is a hurried messenger from the Orcworld portal; but also, the cartographic expedition to the west has returned.
The guards are asking whom do you wish to see first.
A) Cartographers took some time, so they can wait a couple minutes more.
B) The Orcworld can wait; I'm more eager to hear what lies to the far west.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 15, 2018, 05:45:45 am
Post by: ZBridges on July 15, 2018, 05:57:14 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2018, 05:59:54 am
Post by: helmacon on July 15, 2018, 06:00:41 am
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2018, 09:32:39 am
He brings terrible news! Apparently, once the Candlestick was moved to the Orcworld, a deception by the Ur-Uk was uncovered. Using a magical metal box, they were directing the magical dust storm right into the tunnel's entrance, to make it look as if the storm is unrelenting.
The fighting quickly occured when the soldiers and the Ur-Uk couldn't find a way to communicate and an attempt to seize the box was met with stiff resistance. Many Ur-Uk were slain, and the Army moved into the Orcworld in numbers, besieging the Orcworld Fortress, now fully occupied by the Ur-Uk. A looting and burning of a small Ur-Uk settlement by the southern walls of the Fortress also occured.
The box was secured, albeit only it landed in human hands, it emitted a puff of smoke and ceased to function. People mention that besides a thin coating of the toxic powder near the tunnel entrance, everything else is quite unpolluted - the actual storm must've ended many, many years ago.
A) This means war! WAR I SAY! Down with the scheming monkeys!
B) What a mess. Can't we really try to communicate at all?
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2018, 09:56:52 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 15, 2018, 10:21:40 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 15, 2018, 10:43:56 am
I think our army has been longing for a good fight. The Orcworld is a perfect outlet for violence.
Edit: Besides! Maybe with the candlestick in place, we can prepare a more permanent settlement. What wonders we could find!
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 15, 2018, 10:46:21 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 15, 2018, 12:12:39 pm
Post by: omada on July 15, 2018, 12:26:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 15, 2018, 01:28:34 pm
Next, you meet with the intrepid cartographers.
"Greetings, Empress Ruberta! We have arrived from our tiresome journey, and brought knowledge from the west!"
After they've traversed the Eldrican Kingdom, your explorers wandered into the ash-covered, mist-covered, eye-watering lands of the Aelsass' Sorrows. They have wandered it for few days before they decided that it was a foolish and lethal attempt; the water was polluted and no guides nor adventurers in Eldrican broderlands wishes to accompany them. Thus, they went south and the west, through the pleasant and quaint Alsas Duchy. It is a lovely land, full of grasslands, herds of sheep and peaceful peoples. According to what your cartographers learned, Alsasians have received a special grant, excluding them from most taxation as well as military service; in return, the land is producing most of the ingredients requried for Fireblood manufacture, especially sulphur and pine resin.
Next, they had a brief visit through the dwarven land of Amalath. The dwarves there were suspicious of them and didn't let them inside Amalath fortress, althought their human contractors and dwellers had more than enough to accomodate for explorers' passing-through.
Once they got to Republic of Calvendocia, they quickly noticed two things - the land is bontiful in metals both precious and of industrial use; iron, gold, tin and lead are aplenty in Calvendocian mines. The other thing is that Calvendocians have quite a police and guard force; numerous times the cartographers wanted to cross a bridge, a gate or rest at an inn, they had to explain themselves to the Bloodeagle Guard there. The atmosphere of oppression didn't seem to bother the Calvendocian peoples, who were more absorbed with everyday life, trade and religious pursuits; in Calvendocia, numerous faiths are represented, and while Damed seems to be the most popular deity, some others are also represented, most importantly the Tavlak (the cartographers will soon explain, they say).
The lands of the Republic didn't offer much more than that, so your brave scholars decided to take a road north and visited the Duchy of Tavlak. It's in fact a single city with several surrounding villages and hamlets. It is mostly producing and exporting grain to Calvendocia. The main feature of Tavlakian Duchy was worship of Tavlak, a gigantic two-headed phoenix that is said to protect the city from invasions. Apparently, the last time Tavlak intervened to defend the town, it was in early 900s, destroying fifty thousand Atulak horsemen in fiery blaze. While your scholars are skeptical of that, the fact that the history of the town has no mentions of nomad rule and both Calvendocians and Prawlantese left the city independent might suggest that there is a tiny, tiny grain of truth in the stories.
Speaking of Prawlant, your scholars visited it next. There, they've seen equity and brotherhood that moved past racial borders; elves and humans and even dwarves lived together, dealing with each other on daily basis. Dwarven smiths bought elven trinkets, while human ladies eagerly allowed themselves to be courted by elven males. Your scholars even met few Centaurs and Goblins; the former often working as depot workers or otherwise in manual labor, while the small greenskins (which seem to be of least numbers in entire Prawlant) were often collaborating with dwarves on alchemy or metallurgy.
It is Prawlant where your cartographers met with true bounty of the West; numerous mines, delivering sulphur, cinnabar, coal and other minerals from the depths to manufacture Fireblood; and Fireblood was widely in use. City guards had hand-held Fireblood tubes on a stick, and price for a pouch of Fireblood was lower than price of several luxury foodstuffs. Prawlantese cities and garrisons were menacing with tubes of Fireblood engines; smooth, long-barreled, tower-mounted machines as well as truly enormous bombards that promise swift destruction to those who would dare to upset the State of Prawlant.
While Republic of Calvendocia had a council of officials ruling the country, the Prawlantese have more aristocratic and limited approach to governorship; a single man is elected from amongst many Prawlantese noble families. Besides being leader of Prawlant, he is also supreme commander of Prawlantese army. Elves are often elected to the office, according to what cartographers heard, but for the last thirty-ish years, nobody but humans were elected to the office of the Prawlantese Dictator.
"But that's not all, Lady Empress!" The chief cartographer says. "During our stay in Prawlant, we have charted much of its coastline, but it begun to extend westwards - and upon prompting, the Prawlantese told us of another country in the far west, Kingdom of Ivonia!"
They elaborate; following the Prawlantese coast, they've reached a large mountain chain, and behind it, a peninsular Kingdom in state of fragmentation. Kingdom of Ivonia has prized itself in ancient times on rearing of griffins; winged eagle-lions that nowadays can be seen on numerous heraldic emblems. Nowadays, the Griffins have mostly died out except few eyries in the southeast of the Kingdom that only breed the Black Griphons, the least warlike and most docile of the winged beasts, used mostly as pack animals. The main reason for this near-extinction was some great civil war that took place in the mid-1000s, during which, the locals say, numbers of dead Griffins almost equaled that of slain human soldiers.
Kingdom of Ivonia is large and divided into seven parts; the Kingdom proper, taking most of the central and northern lands. Principality of Pamperra is a small domain at the western coasts, known for its livestock - the Principality is also the domain and responsibility of the Crown Prince of Ivonia (currently Aidro II, son of King Irrere III of Tastapram dynasty). There is also Duchy of Adeidas in southeast, prized for its war horses, and it borders the Duchy of Griffen, by the south mountains, where Griffin eyries are located. The western sea has numerous isles, and they are split into two domains - purely islander Duchy of Irvene, to the north, where fishing industry and salt refineries are located, and the southernly Duchy of Seltena, with some of its parts on Pamperran shores; this one concentrates mostly on shipbuilding and trade with distant southeastern lands - those of Damdamians. The Ivonians were quite interested in tales about Methiant, because they do not conduct land trade beyond Calvendocia, and maintain only minimal contact with Eldricans, too.
Speaking of Ivonian civil war in the past; once upon a time, a long-lived King Eduarro II (ruling in years 982-1050 AD, if your cartographers translated Ivonian calendar right) managed to sire eleven sons. In his genius (or so he thought), he decided to split the country into eleven duchies to give each son a fair opportunity to rule. Unfortunately, it didn't take long after his funeral for a large-scale civil war to tear apart the lands, kill most of the sons and nearly bring extinction to the Griffins. For twenty years, wars and skirmishes were waged amongst the sons, till finally the youngest, Aidro I, won, vassalizing the states run by the offspring and/or wives of his slain brothers. The only other son of the old Eudarro II, Cardon, established himself in the north; his descendants rule over Grand Duchy of Cardeu, a large domain comprising mostly of farmlands and forests producing fine quality timber. While officially a vassal to Kingdom of Ivonia, it has a much larger degree of autonomy compared to the other Duchies, and has been known to oppose Ivonian Kings on at least three occassions in the last hundred years.
The cartographers wished to cross the southern mountains, but they were informed by Ivonians that the mountains are Griffin territory and that they would be eaten alive by the winged beasts. Apparently, there is some land to the west of Ivonian coast; their sailors spoke of a swampy coastline and numerous islands, seemingly uninhabited and offering little in terms of fertile lands, so Ivonians rarely visit the place. From their tales it seems only exiles and hermits migrate there to seek a life away from anybody else.
With all this learned, having reached a natural boundary and having spent quite a lot of time in the west, they decided it is time to head back to Methiant. They did so by going through Prawlant again, then by roads maintaned by Uristhab dwarves to northwestern Eldrican; there, some nomads were paid to fetch them over to border with Tirine, and from there it was but a short trip to Koi, and then to Methiant.
Your courtiers are making a loud mess, discussing all this new information, while you in meanwhile look at the cartographers kneeling in front of you.
"Lady Empress! Thank you for this opportunity to explore the vast and wondrous lands to the west. We will now retreat to help our brothers at the House of Learning to update the maps. We hope that in the future, we will have as many fruitful expeditions as this."
A) "Future? No no no, you're going somewhere else already, and I already know where!"
B) "Hopefully, that will happen sooner or later! You can return to your studies now."
And apparently the cartographers brought the sketches of Ivonian emblems too!
Post by: mightymushroom on July 15, 2018, 01:35:31 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 15, 2018, 01:37:14 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 15, 2018, 01:50:19 pm
Indeed. Let em put some of this to paper before we send em off again.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 15, 2018, 03:33:39 pm
B
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 15, 2018, 03:42:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 15, 2018, 04:01:33 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 15, 2018, 05:07:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 15, 2018, 07:14:27 pm
Post by: omada on July 15, 2018, 07:18:23 pm
inexpensive sulphur in masse on the west (maybe we can pay one gold and have it for two years, THIS will be profitable, if the long roads don't prove to be a difficulty)
cocoa to buy and sell again from the south (that desire a big amount of metals
griffins on the far west
we need to get some kind of non-religious pact with damdamian and eldrican, if we can ship these things to methiant we can even send it further away as a proxy
maybe we will get rich enough to buy those gan-minsong stuff and re-sell it
maybe we can hire the dwarves to study the box
Post by: ZBridges on July 15, 2018, 07:54:08 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 15, 2018, 07:54:47 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 15, 2018, 11:56:22 pm
Just wait a year and return to us, okay? B
inexpensive sulphur in masse on the west (maybe we can pay one gold and have it for two years, THIS will be profitable, if the long roads don't prove to be a difficulty)
cocoa to buy and sell again from the south (that desire a big amount of metals
griffins on the far west
we need to get some kind of non-religious pact with damdamian and eldrican, if we can ship these things to methiant we can even send it further away as a proxy
maybe we will get rich enough to buy those gan-minsong stuff and re-sell it
maybe we can hire the dwarves to study the box
The problem here is Eldrican was recently at war with the far West. I suspect that their pact with Rucus is as much fear of them as it is fear of us, and the last thing they want is the scary people with advanced Guns to their East befriending the scary people with advanced guns to their West. In all likelyhood, they will do everything in their power to hinder our attempts at trade and diplomacy.
I say if we want the resources of the West we have two options:
1: Try to forge an alliance with the Westerners (and perhaps the Dwarves) to divide and conqueror Eldrican. We would also have to fight off Rucus and Lamentia to do this, and other Damdamian states may decide to get involved as well. Once that war is settled, however, we will be free to trade with the Westerners to our heart's content.
2: Align with Eldrican and Rucus, and help them invade the far west in exchange for ownership of some of the sulphur mines.
Edit:
Also, can we get an option to lead the assualt on the Ur-Urk ourselves?
This would be good for several reasons:
1: We have a flying lazorhorse that will help our rolls, and would make us a very effective scout.
2: We look like a stronger leader if we lead in battle.
3: If we die, we can name Cyl as our replacement, and unite with Cydwyl early.
4: If we die, and our dealings with sorceresses manage to fuck things up, wizards may be less willing to help Ruberta than they would an innocent successor.
Post by: Prophet on July 16, 2018, 12:01:34 am
Post by: TankKit on July 16, 2018, 05:03:41 am
Map the world! But do it slowly, so there's time to make new maps! Oh, and I agree that it would be nice to ride our lazerhorse into battle against the treacherous Ur-uk, soon they too shall know that Methiant doesn't like being wronged.
Post by: omada on July 16, 2018, 11:48:05 am
the problem would be bandits and a possibility of eldrican raid (acting as bandits sure) or even elven threats if we go too closer
we also have that dwarven flag artifact that will make us better
we can also say "YOU YOUR MEEK DEATHAN, COME WITH ME AND YOU WILL HELP ME MANAGE THE ARMY, DON'T YOU DARE TO REFUSE, WE ALL REMEMBER YOU ALMOST SIGNED A REBELLION, There isn't a NO option, yes you can stay out of frontline"
Post by: Haspen on July 16, 2018, 02:06:32 pm
1182 AD, Mid-Autumn
The siege for Orcworld Fortress has came to a bloody end; it took a while to get Fireblood machines and enough soldiers through the mountains and the tunnel. However, a lucky breach of walls early in the siege allowed Methiantese soldiers to attempt and reconquer the keep after a day of fighting within its walls. Approximately 650 Ur-Uk bodies (about one sixth being females and children, if the anatomical differences have a say here) were counted up, and reports say that only a handful of the monkeymen were spotted fleeing the area in the confusion.
Numerous artifacts were looted by the soldiers, from clothes to pins and jewelry through even pointy shoes and funny hats. Most importantly, a large cache of documents, written with charcoal on some reedy cloth, were obtained. Either military secrets or quartermaster tallies, the scholars aren't sure, but this much reading material will sure help them decipher, or at least, find a way to communicate with the Ur-Uk. The 'poison storm box' was also moved to Methiant and so far, it remains dormant and broken.
Two more delegates appear; one is a messenger from Parsia, bringing a letter from the Parsian court, bringing some news about a 'Rosaman envoy' of sorts. The other is a young nobleman's diplomat, whose master was apparently contacted by dwarves of - out of all nearby fortresses - Vabokam, seeking a trade.
A) Dwarven trade is the best kinda trade, get the nobleman's diplomat in!
B) Rosamana sent an envoy to Parsia to contact us? Colour me intrigued.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 02:10:45 pm
Lets go with B.
Post by: ZBridges on July 16, 2018, 02:13:57 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 16, 2018, 02:18:03 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on July 16, 2018, 02:26:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 16, 2018, 02:47:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 16, 2018, 02:58:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 16, 2018, 03:51:36 pm
"I bring a letter for the eyes of Empress Ruberta, from the Parsian court." You read the letter from Parsian court.
Some Parsian high nobles have recently met with an envoy from Rosamana. The Queen of the lizard r(a)iders wants to obtain Fireblood and Fireblood machinery, and is offering luxurious Chia threadworm fabrics and indigo-glazed pottery of highest make. The envoy is currently staying in Parsian heartlands, ready to travel to Methiant and discuss trade details with you.
You have no doubts that these wares were obtained - and more will be obtained - by Fireblood-powered plunder and savagery.
A) Pfeh! I buy no trinkets from no barbarians! Send him away!
B) Hey, a way to obtain Chia wares without getting by the sea? Count me in!
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 16, 2018, 03:54:13 pm
B
Post by: Kashyyk on July 16, 2018, 03:54:28 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 16, 2018, 03:59:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 16, 2018, 04:00:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 04:08:19 pm
I doubt we will find a satisfactory offer, but there is little harm in trying.
Post by: Haspen on July 16, 2018, 04:25:09 pm
The dwarves are let in next. They are diplomats only; a bunch of fat, jovial dwarves draped in colorful and pricey robes, with shiny bald heads and luxurious beards. Their leader, a shorter-than-usual dwarf in golden-thread coat steps forward, bows his shiny head and smiles to you.
"Greetings, Empress Ruberta. We have learned that your government possesses quite an interesting artifact from this 'Orcworld', indeed? Let's call it a 'death box'. Our runesmiths in Ankurvat have meticulously gathered reports on the poisonous dust storm and the 'death box' itself, and are quite interested in obtaining it. We propose a trade - our runesmiths could make you an artifact in exchange for the 'death box'. Or our merchants could send you a yearly supply of money for, ah, maybe eight years, yes?"
A) Artifact for an artifact is the only equal price in this trade!
B) Money is multitool, and always welcome.
C) Money is good... but I want more!
D) No thanks, we will be keeping this mysterious box of mystery to ourselves.
Post by: ZBridges on July 16, 2018, 04:26:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 16, 2018, 04:30:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 16, 2018, 04:34:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 04:35:05 pm
Let us test our bracelet and haggle a bit. 8 years worth of money is alot. They clearly want this thing.
Ideally I'd like to get either fireblood fixings or help prospecting Orcworld out of them.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 16, 2018, 04:37:36 pm
No.
No.
No.
Do not sell the capricious dwarves bioweapons. Are you guys fucking joking?
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
D
No.
No.
No.
Do not sell the capricious dwarves bioweapons. Are you guys fucking joking?
We are not fighting the dwarves any time soon. They already own self destruct buttons on many of our toys. At this point it is difficult to give them much more leverage over us than they already have.
Post by: helmacon on July 16, 2018, 04:51:35 pm
We own the candle though, so if they try and use it against us they will find it surprisingly useless.
Also, come on. Artifact guys. We have a strong economy. The money will just end up hitting the cap and getting wasted after the first few years. On the other hand, since we can't use the sorceress anymore this is how we get new artifacts.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 16, 2018, 05:10:10 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 16, 2018, 05:11:40 pm
Post by: Baffler on July 16, 2018, 05:33:10 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 16, 2018, 05:35:22 pm
D. Let's not hand the dwarves the means to destroy us.
we have the candle specifically to counter this.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 16, 2018, 05:40:52 pm
At this point it is difficult to give them much more leverage over us than they already have.
That doesn't mean you need to desperately try to find a way to do so though.
We're not going to be able to bring the candle out to every battle against the dwarves guys.
Post by: Baffler on July 16, 2018, 05:45:22 pm
D. Let's not hand the dwarves the means to destroy us.
we have the candle specifically to counter this.
A sorceress made it though, who knows how long-lasting or reliable it's going to be? Hell it's probably eventually going to end up blowing up in our faces somehow. And if/when we eventually lose it, or if there's some situation where it can't be used, we have no way to respond.
Post by: crazyabe on July 16, 2018, 06:23:43 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 16, 2018, 06:30:06 pm
There is no where else to buy one of these, they should understand the price.
Post by: birdy51 on July 16, 2018, 06:44:21 pm
The better relationship that we have with the stout ones, the better. I'd be saying the same if the elves wanted to take a crack at it too.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 16, 2018, 07:14:01 pm
Post by: omada on July 16, 2018, 09:30:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 09:39:00 pm
E) we pay for you to discover how it works and make it works for us
It is worth 8 years of money to them. I doubt we could afford that service even if we hadn't just blown our reserve on a candlestick.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 16, 2018, 09:43:36 pm
Apparently we're the only ones dumb enough to do that.
Post by: Prophet on July 16, 2018, 10:20:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 16, 2018, 10:42:58 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 17, 2018, 01:32:27 am
It pains me to give the dwarves more power over us, but I suppose we can integrate them into our empire sometime in the far future. Maybe.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on July 17, 2018, 11:31:42 am
Post by: Haspen on July 17, 2018, 11:53:13 am
cccc
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You agree on an artifact.
"The runesmiths were betting that this would be the answer. They've already came up with a plan to forge the Empress a weapon."
"A weapon? I don't fight, my troops do."
"Yes, but your descendant will, and he better come to the battlefield equipped with a weapon. Besides-" The dwarf in charge pulls out a scroll from his robe and reads it. "-the Empress already possesses a banner shaft, a scepter of weather, a magical bracelet, another weather item we're not fully aware of, that magical horse from a Sorceress, plus the crown our brethren forged earlier, and the ancient wand." The dwarf rolls the document and stuffs it back into his robe. "Considering this collection of magical artifacts, a weapon would be most logical next item."
A) "Fine, forge my son a weapon!"
B) "I want some other artifact instead!"
C) "Actually, I changed my mind, no deal!"
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 17, 2018, 11:55:01 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 17, 2018, 11:55:22 am
Post by: helmacon on July 17, 2018, 11:59:11 am
Post by: Prophet on July 17, 2018, 12:10:14 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 17, 2018, 12:11:01 pm
Oh wow, sorry. Not interested in a weapon. Thanks for asking. To bad we couldn't make a deal to sell you a dangerous weapon to use against us. Maybe come back when we've got gold to burn.
Bai.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 17, 2018, 12:12:06 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 17, 2018, 12:21:11 pm
I'm going to buck the trend. Why not a suit of armor? Or maybe at least the chance to fit our son in some down the line.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 17, 2018, 12:25:47 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 17, 2018, 12:40:56 pm
They can't be killed if they kill the enemy first. Maybe armour some other time.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 17, 2018, 02:24:59 pm
A nyway.
The dwarf's right that we have just about everything else and it's a little early to fit our son for armor. Growth spurts, y'know?
Post by: Weirdsound on July 17, 2018, 02:38:18 pm
...I say we present the weapon as a gift to our husband. He isn't martial either, but as a person in possession of a penis, he may be expected to lead his troops. Either way, it will still end up with our kids someday.
Post by: ZBridges on July 17, 2018, 03:00:28 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 17, 2018, 11:17:49 pm
Post by: Imic on July 18, 2018, 04:16:17 am
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2018, 09:07:35 am
"We're glad that you agreed to our trade deal. Barring any delays, the weapon will be delivered to your palace by Late Winter, and the same group will take the box from you."
1182 AD, Winter
The winter begun with heavy snowfall, but thanks to the Scepter, the weather was bearable and no crippling blizzards occured so far.
Silver and gold and gemstones arrive in your Treasury. Per trade agreement, shipments of fine glass wares are sent to Ysirene.
A report arrives from the keepers of highly profitable goldmines in Ceodwell; their sites are running out of ore at last, and even mixed ore-bearing rocks are scarce nowadays. The managers of the mines believe that this long-lived mining endeavour might be approaching its natural death.
The managers are also asking whether you will sponsor new digs around the place in hopes of finding anything or should they begin closure of the mines.
A) Alas, it was fun while it lasted!
B) We must find more gold! Dig for it!
Post by: helmacon on July 18, 2018, 09:09:31 am
dwarves already said we were out, right?
Post by: birdy51 on July 18, 2018, 09:09:58 am
But that might not be so bad. Maybe it will help counter the glut we had been having.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 18, 2018, 09:17:26 am
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2018, 09:41:46 am
1182 AD, Midwinter
Important news come from Gubta!
Methiantese cash had already helped revive Gubta Empire! With the old Emperor dead by some unfortunate accident, his third and youngest of sons, Mahjar Sim, quickly eliminated his two elder brothers in a quick and not particularily bloody struggle. He has already begun work on refreshing the political system a bit and has laid foundations for a more effective bureaucratic administration.
Currently, he is being opposed by numerous local landlords and city governors who feel that their positions are threatened by this rapid progress and would rather stick to the old, traditional way of the Gubta.
1182 AD, Late Winter
A group of dwarves have just arrived from Ankurvat in a large wagon and quite a contigent of full-plated guards. There's also a messenger from Cydwyl, awaiting to deliver you a letter from your dearest husbando, Cyl.
A) My love has sent me a letter! Oh, I'm swooning already! Gimme!
B) Let's deal with dwarves first, then I will have all the time for private letters!
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2018, 09:47:54 am
Post by: omada on July 18, 2018, 10:45:13 am
Post by: mightymushroom on July 18, 2018, 11:07:42 am
Post by: helmacon on July 18, 2018, 11:16:26 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 18, 2018, 11:21:15 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 18, 2018, 11:40:26 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 18, 2018, 12:11:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2018, 12:13:11 pm
A group of four dwarves, bearded and in dark clothes, brings in the ornate chest, setting it down while a fat, dwarf in colorful robes steps from behind them, clasping his hands.
"The weapon you requested in exchange for so-called 'doombox' has been finished." He looked at the guards, who opened the chest and handed him a cloth-wrapped weapon.
Unsheathed, the sword's handle gleams with the shinest bronze you ever saw. The blade's hilt is pure gold adorned with a large emerald in the center. The blade looks shiny and sharp, no doubt made from highest quality steel. Runes of dwarven kind are etched in the centre of the blade, running up to the tip, which seems to have been polished with some white metal.
The dwarven diplomat, humbly, approaches the throne and hands you the sword. You prepare for some heavy weight - but the thing is light as if it was a mere stick.
"The Blade of Puncturing, our smiths have called it. Albeit it might look like an ornate sword at first, the blade is hard enough to cut through chainmail, and the tip of the sword is capable of puncturing a thumb-thick layer of mithril." The dwarf clasps his hands and looks around.
"Now, where's the doombox? Our runemasters are eager to get their beards on it at last!"
A) "Doombox stays with me. Guards, get rid of these smelly bearded roaches!"
B) "Would you kindly consider the fact I do not wish to part with the doombox? Your runemasters would be welcome to come and do research here, in my palace."
C) "Well, a deal is a deal. My men will bring you the doombox."
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 18, 2018, 12:16:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2018, 12:18:12 pm
This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 18, 2018, 12:22:27 pm
If it's dumb at least we stuck to our given word.
Post by: omada on July 18, 2018, 12:37:08 pm
C
Post by: helmacon on July 18, 2018, 12:47:33 pm
I feel like this is certainly an above average artifact sword.
Post by: ZBridges on July 18, 2018, 02:12:38 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 18, 2018, 02:12:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2018, 02:23:52 pm
The messenger from your husbando is next. He hands the letter to you and you break the seal with much enthusiasm.
Ah! A visit!
Apparently all is well in Kingdom of Cydwyl, and the government can afford to have its monarch absent for a while. Therefore Cyl would like to go on a year or so of vacationing and is asking whether the Empress of Cydwyl, the beautiful Ruberta (and her bedchambers) would accomodate him on his stay here.
A) Sure.
B) Nah.
Post by: helmacon on July 18, 2018, 02:26:28 pm
I guess...
(does anyone else feel like this guy is cheating on us?)
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 18, 2018, 02:26:52 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 18, 2018, 02:28:27 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 18, 2018, 02:32:12 pm
If he is... Maybe we should hold onto that sword!
Post by: Weirdsound on July 18, 2018, 02:57:57 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 18, 2018, 03:00:43 pm
If he is . . . At least he won't be for the next year or so!
Post by: Imic on July 18, 2018, 03:20:50 pm
Giant Dwarven enchanted swords gotten through the trading of biological superweapons: the perfect solution if your husband is cheating on you!
Post by: ZBridges on July 18, 2018, 05:44:24 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 18, 2018, 07:34:01 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 19, 2018, 12:02:13 am
Post by: Haspen on July 19, 2018, 02:33:42 pm
1182 AD, End of the Year
The Advisor hurries into your chambers and opens the Scrolls of- wait, is this fresh, yellow linen? Did they exchange the damned moldy cloth for once?
You can't believe this until you spot discoloration on the edges. Rubbing your fingers a little there, you quickly discover the ruse - they merely sewed another, clean cloth over the ancient moldy scroll.
"Careful, Lady Empress, you will tear the Scrolls!"
"But they're falling apart by themselves! Can't you get rid of these and just write up a new set?" You stare at the Advisor, who stares at you in such a way as if you have just insulted his ancestors up to ten generations back. He regains his composure, and gently lays the scrolls on your table.
Happiness: 8
Population: 6
Economy: 2
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: +2
You grimace at the sight of that very low Economy score.
"As you can see, the Treasury was almost empty. But the peoples are offering to donate to Imperial coffers once more! The Treasurer urges you to accept them."
A) "But of course."
B) "The peoples shall retain the coin!"
"The Treasurer is also wondering whether we should cut the budget of the Army for a bit. That, or maybe raise the taxes for a year?"
A) "Budget cuts are good, higher taxes - not!"
B) "Times of poverty require high taxes and budget cuts, such is life!"
C) "Our Army cannot be weakened even a day; raise the taxes instead!"
D) "We do not require such measures today."
"Also, would you like to issue an Edict? It's been quite few years since the last one, Lady Empress."
A) "Sure sure, get me the quill."
B) "One more year won't hurt."
The Advisor then takes out a truly huge scroll and rolls it open on your table - it's a map.
"The Cartographers have finished updating the Royal Map just yesterday, Lady Empress, and here it is."
Spoiler: Imperial Methiantese Map, 1182 AD (click to show/hide)
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 19, 2018, 02:37:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 19, 2018, 02:41:00 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 19, 2018, 02:46:12 pm
Lets not do anything rash while we are at war, we can raise taxes next year if needed.
Post by: crazyabe on July 19, 2018, 02:47:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 19, 2018, 02:47:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 19, 2018, 02:58:38 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Adopt a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To help the faith unite all the peoples in the Empire, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others being tolerated (or not!) but nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonism followers and clergy will sure view it in good light, too.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 19, 2018, 03:04:42 pm
Revoke Imperial Trade Commission.
Post by: TankKit on July 19, 2018, 03:12:53 pm
If I remember correctly this has been causing issues for trading.
EDIT: Yeah, just went back rereading pages and it has caused issues.
EDITEDIT: Wait no, that's a terrible idea for now. Curse you, sleep addled brain!
Post by: Kashyyk on July 19, 2018, 03:26:00 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 19, 2018, 03:28:28 pm
Proclaim Religious Equality
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 19, 2018, 03:29:48 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2018, 03:35:02 pm
Lets try to solve our issues without edicts, since most of the ones we have left are pretty meh.
Post by: ZBridges on July 19, 2018, 03:44:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 19, 2018, 03:45:16 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 19, 2018, 03:50:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 19, 2018, 04:09:28 pm
Edit: Sometimes compromise just works out.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 19, 2018, 04:16:59 pm
Establish Passage Tax - Why are you guys trying to reduce our income the moment our gold mine has dried up?
Because the worst problems were during the year or so we had both active at the same time. It's a case of one or the other, in my mind, and if we want the guaranteed income of the Passage Tax we should get rid of the protectionist Trade Commission first.
No Edict for me.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2018, 04:55:54 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 19, 2018, 05:29:18 pm
Though I'd probably vote for the bill of rights if we actually HAD to do one.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2018, 05:31:39 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on July 19, 2018, 05:34:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 19, 2018, 05:35:14 pm
Because No Edict isn't going to win, I was voting for it until that became clear. I'd swap back if I thought that'd make it win. Specifically with you it's at 2 vs 5, so if two more people voted no edict I'd swap to it.
I'm Freedom of Religion. You are Revoke Trade Commission. If we both swap, at worst we cancel out. How bout it?
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2018, 05:37:27 pm
I think that'd put no edict in the lead then with the addition of Twin.
I've done so.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 19, 2018, 05:38:11 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 19, 2018, 05:55:46 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 19, 2018, 07:32:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 19, 2018, 08:27:15 pm
You want to endorse the people who tried to overthrow our dynasty for no bloody reason other than being upset at not getting special treatment?
To be fair, we endorsed them when we married Cyl and started praying to Pantheonist fertility gods. And if we make Pantheonism a state religion, we could eventually double cross their clergy, purge their leadership, and name ourselves head of the church.
Honestly, I think we should keep the option to either declare Freedom of Religion, or name a state religion in our back pocket. If our merger with Cydwyl starts going poorly, we can declare for Pantheonism (which Cydwyl practices) as a way to smooth things out. If we do not need to do that, we can bring back freedom of religion once the two nations have peacefully become one.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 19, 2018, 08:49:59 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 20, 2018, 01:23:54 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 20, 2018, 01:58:17 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 20, 2018, 03:26:12 am
Lets be honest the art thing hasn't done much for us.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 20, 2018, 03:27:12 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 20, 2018, 03:28:24 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 20, 2018, 03:35:00 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 20, 2018, 03:42:14 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 20, 2018, 03:45:39 am
Post by: Imic on July 20, 2018, 12:30:58 pm
No Edict. Personally I'd like to vote for Adopt a State Religion (Pantheonism) later but eh I'm pretty ok with continuing Ruberta's policy of not rocking the boat for now.+1
Also, nice map.
Edit: regarding the map, is anyone else getting the urge to annex Cydwyl?
Post by: Criptfeind on July 20, 2018, 12:58:09 pm
No Edict. Personally I'd like to vote for Adopt a State Religion (Pantheonism) later but eh I'm pretty ok with continuing Ruberta's policy of not rocking the boat for now.+1
Also, nice map.
Edit: regarding the map, is anyone else getting the urge to annex Cydwyl?
Considering we're six years into an attempt to diplo-annex them I don't think you're the only player with that urge.
Post by: TankKit on July 20, 2018, 01:51:56 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 20, 2018, 03:25:16 pm
We've been patiently diplo-annexing them for years now, let's not turn to military annexation and ruin it all.+1
Post by: Basil ii on July 20, 2018, 03:47:06 pm
No Edictalso this 1+
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 01:09:30 am
You want to endorse the people who tried to overthrow our dynasty for no bloody reason other than being upset at not getting special treatment?what could possibly go wrong. :P
Post by: Haspen on July 21, 2018, 04:20:49 am
1183 AD, Spring
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2to4
Silverwares brought some profits.
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1
You go down with a high fever and a feeling of a worm eating away at your intestines, although your doctors assure you it is just your feverish imagination working. Still, the court is alarmed by your sudden bout of illness. Your courtiers and healers are split about the way you should be treated.
Any preference, Lady Empress?
A) I will pray to God of Health, and the Pantheon shall deliver!
B) Local herbs and the traditional medical treatments of Methiant are the best. I trust my healers.
C) Bring me the healing stone, I shall cling to it so that it heals me.
D) Time for a therapy of aromatic spices and roots from Gubta, some are medicinal ones after all!
Post by: ZBridges on July 21, 2018, 04:24:53 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 21, 2018, 04:25:08 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 04:25:37 am
Bb
Just in case
Doge is a five year old I suspect that our husband will be regent which may help make succession easier.
I just realized something that worm
You remember that magical Xenomorph in 1110.
Oh my god
Sweet Jesus Christ’s it back.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 21, 2018, 05:16:34 am
Magic healing stone is magic, yu know.
Post by: Haspen on July 21, 2018, 06:42:21 am
1183 AD, Few days later
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3*
You fight the illness, but it is not relenting. In the late evening, you're woken up by the Advisor. You smile, seeing Cyl at your side, but your husband looks extremely worried. The Advisor procures a scroll from within his robes and leans to whisper.
He says something about a heir? Ah yes... they're being cautious, you assume.
A) As is written already: it's Doge.
B) My daughter Cylia.
C) My daughter Ciri.
D) Husbando Cyl.
E) Princess Eiri.
F) Princess Graine.
G) Prince Deathan.
H) Someone else? You don't remember the other dynasticals at the moment...
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 06:44:53 am
You decide to stick to traditional Methiantese medicine.d) Husbando cyl1183 AD, Few days laterQuote3*
You fight the illness, but it is not relenting. In the late evening, you're woken up by the Advisor. You smile, seeing Cyl at your side, but your husband looks extremely worried. The Advisor procures a scroll from within his robes and leans to whisper.
He says something about a heir? Ah yes... they're being cautious, you assume.
A) As is written already: it's Doge.
B) My daughter Cylia.
C) My daughter Ciri.
D) Husbando Cyl.
E) Princess Eiri.
F) Princess Graine.
G) Prince Deathan.
H) Someone else? You don't remember the other dynasticals at the moment...
Doge is only a child the noble men and the priest of the pantheon will try to take over
If we seat him on the throne.
Post by: Rockeater on July 21, 2018, 06:45:11 am
Afterlife?
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 06:53:16 am
Athe priest of the pantheon will try to take over please don’t.
Afterlife?
Do you really think that they would miss this opportunity?.
Especially now that we have lost ruberta and her "the good" title
Also the laser horse will turn on us but with cyl army we can avoid unnecessary damage to our population.
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 07:11:15 am
I don't think we're dead yet, it was only a 3 after all. And Doge is just a child, we might have to deal with a regency if we choose him, and I assume we can still name him heir later on.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 07:16:04 am
Dthis is still very dangerous situation we are in.
I don't think we're dead yet, it was only a 3 after all. And Doge is just a child, we might have to deal with a regency if we choose him, and I assume we can still name him heir later on.
Beside ruberta health might still be crippled permanently by the xenomorph/worm.
That being said I think you’re right.
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 07:57:06 am
I'm pretty sure it isn't a xenomorph. A chestburster-like worm maybe, but not a xenomorph.Dthis is still very dangerous situation we are in.
I don't think we're dead yet, it was only a 3 after all. And Doge is just a child, we might have to deal with a regency if we choose him, and I assume we can still name him heir later on.
Beside ruberta health might still be crippled permanently by the xenomorph/worm.
That being said I think you’re right.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 08:03:49 am
true anyway.I'm pretty sure it isn't a xenomorph. A chestburster-like worm maybe, but not a xenomorph.Dthis is still very dangerous situation we are in.
I don't think we're dead yet, it was only a 3 after all. And Doge is just a child, we might have to deal with a regency if we choose him, and I assume we can still name him heir later on.
Beside ruberta health might still be crippled permanently by the xenomorph/worm.
That being said I think you’re right.
I do think that the noblemen of methaint will accept cyl although cyl noblemen might be somewhat fearful off the sudden powerboost of their king this may cause a uprising of the gentry folks.
Post by: birdy51 on July 21, 2018, 08:15:27 am
Going
Changed my vote in a later post.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 08:19:23 am
I think Cyl might be a dangerous choice. We did have that noble get uppity a little while back, remember?this is true but I hope that the combination of methiant army with some (most of cyl soldiers come form the gentry houses ) of cyl army might be enough to stop them.
Going A, with the expectation of Regency. I do hope it doesn't come to that...
Also I think that the Gentry has not fully embraced fire blood armaments over "glorious melee combat"
Post by: Prophet on July 21, 2018, 09:12:00 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 09:20:09 am
Awell it appears as though doge will become emperor of methiant a bit of a shame
So guys how do we deal with the pantheist clergy i mean they became far more powerful when the other faiths (alldivine for example) started do die-off how can we get them from the powerful position they now possess?.
On why i did not vote for doge.
The main problem with voting doge over cyl is that it only makes the problem comesback in the Future to bite us When the gentry comes it will have prepared it self for war with fire blood armaments but if cyl becomes emperor if done fast enough with methiant army at his back
With the bracelet of charisma and his trait we can cow the nobility.
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 21, 2018, 09:26:01 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 21, 2018, 10:20:16 am
Post by: mightymushroom on July 21, 2018, 11:16:03 am
If we die, isn't still up to the succession council? We don't need to play Ruberta as uncertain in her plans.
Post by: helmacon on July 21, 2018, 11:21:41 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 11:23:43 am
Awell the problem is that this would give significant legitimacy to the person chosen which may cause a civil war if the succession council does not name the chosen person. But if ruberta choses doge the greedy noble men and clergy might make a move to take power from the monarchy which is why cyl is the best choice because (a he is a adult (b he has significant prestige and skill from being the ruling monarch of one land for some time (c doge is a five year old and lacks both prestige and expertise and can be manipulated to serving the clergy and the nobles will.
If we die, isn't still up to the succession council? We don't need to play Ruberta as uncertain in her plans.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 21, 2018, 11:35:31 am
Sure, Doge still seems fine, Cyl can regent.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 11:41:53 am
Aif we go the doge route I will admit that he will have a powerful guardian but still
Sure, Doge still seems fine, Cyl can regent.
What about cyl noble men can’t imagine that they would be significantly pleased by a foreign monarch attempting to take the throne while cyl is the a native ruler with a blood line native their land.
I am sorry haspen for commenting so much i just like spamkingdom a wee bit too much
Post by: Weirdsound on July 21, 2018, 11:42:23 am
D.
And if we survive, we should offer to make Cyl Co-emperor to speed up the merger anyway.
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 11:46:54 am
DDDDDDD
AAAAAA
Will update vote count as time goes on.
Moved to a later post.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 21, 2018, 11:52:10 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 11:52:52 am
Again allow me to stress that a better moment to merge the nation's might never show up.true
Wait a minute didn’t we marry one of our princess to the helliste kingdom I have a idea for our next character after cyl/doge ;)
We also most expand right now we are in between a rock and a hard place the only places where we can expand is the north and the east without challenging the damed little empire.
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 01:50:00 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 21, 2018, 01:52:16 pm
D. My previous vote will be changed!
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 01:55:50 pm
We can deal with expansion once we're not dying and when we've integrated Cydwyl into the empire.
Yep that’s what I meant for without cydwyl we are stuck and slowly but surely decaying
Form the internal pressure of our clergy and our upperclassmen and getting pressure from the outside damed and the dwarfs but with cydwyl with it’s minerals trade routes and it’s population we might have a chance to defeat both internal and external pressure.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 01:56:22 pm
Alright, I will cave.YASS :) now all we need is a virgin to sacrifice(preferably over a volcano with ominous pseudo Latin chanting)so our dark lord haspen may be summoned
D. My previous vote will be changed!
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 03:00:28 pm
Any ideas? Also, how many of our neighbours are we trading with at the moment? That's another factor that could change things, since I'm still not sure whether or not we're still trading with Hellsite and Albion.
Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
Edit: Just had an idea, if there actually is a worm inside Ruberta I think it's probably been caused by either the residual magic from all those artifacts we got from the sorcerers or the wizards, though I doubt it was the wizards since they seem like the good guys.
EditEdit: In fact, I'm going to go find all the times we've interacted with sorcerers and see what the effects were. Tomorrow.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 21, 2018, 03:12:14 pm
Also, my next targets for annexation include Parsia, Lametania, and Eldrican.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 21, 2018, 03:13:30 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 03:19:46 pm
Just looking at the map currently, and I'm curious how the Kingdom of Dahnia will be dealt with, since they're a vassal of Cydwyl, or if we'll be given a choice to either keep them as a vassal or make them a part of the empire as a whole. I'm also wondering where we should expand next, since most of our neighbours are on relatively good terms with us due to successful diplomacy. Not to mention I'm pretty sure it's been almost a hundred years of peace with Cydwyl that have led to us being able to diplomatically annexed them, and it might be rather slow diplomatically annexing all our neighbours. Are we still trading with Albion or the Hellsite Kingdom? Because they look like a good option if we want be near the ocean, which could allow us to explore distant lands better. I would almost be tempted to go to war with the Gubta Empire the next time they're about to collapse, but that could lead to some ugly, possibly hard to defend borders. Of course we could always solve that paticular problem by finishing our conquest of the New Parsian Kingdom, but Gubta would probably see what we were trying to do and stop us, like how Rucus and Lamentia saw what we were trying to do too soon. We could always go for round two with them actually, probably have one army keep them at bay in Eval while we lead a bigger army through Lamentia before Rucus. Then of course we would have the issue of having borders with the Republic or the Empire, assuming we took that much land, and they might not be happy with us since I'm pretty sure none of them have broken the agreement they made not to attack each other yet, and it's looking like it'll be a while longer before they finally crack. There's also the Eldricans, who I'm pretty sure never fully payed us for all the help we gave them, but then there's the issue of it being quite big, which could make it more difficult to conquer, and we might also have to change our tactics to be able to more effectively combat them in them vast desert area they own. I'm also not quite sure if our diplomatic relations with them have changed much since then either... choices choices. This is also assuming things go well during the integration with Cydwyl, which I have a feeling they won't, possibly rendering any long term plans useless.guys I think we should focus on the northern ocean here is why a) the rich trade routes and a chance to explore foreign markets for exotic goods we might if we play our cards right gate keeper to rare spices fine silk exotic animals strange craftsmanships b) we can if encounter some uncolonized land and established colony’s it may serve as a backup in case something goes wrong in the mainland
Any ideas? Also, how many of our neighbours are we trading with at the moment? That's another factor that could change things, since I'm still not sure whether or not we're still trading with Hellsite and Albion.Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
Edit: Just had an idea, if there actually is a worm inside Ruberta I think it's probably been caused by either the residual magic from all those artifacts we got from the sorcerers or the wizards, though I doubt it was the wizards since they seem like the good guys.
C) we nearly all of our allies are there it might be prudent to make sure that they are protected and prosperous.
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 03:22:41 pm
Awow like that is a tad bit ridiculous like we would basically fight the nearly all of the superpowers of this world(that we know of) it just might be possible but still insanely dangerous. Like we need is a literal metric tons of magical items and infrastructure.
Also, my next targets for annexation include Parsia, Lametania, and Eldrican.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 21, 2018, 03:28:47 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 21, 2018, 03:34:17 pm
Not, presumably, all at once.still like seriously think about it let’s say we conquer eldrican somehow don’t you think that the empire of damed might be a little concerned with this giant colossus for a country. the other powers are going to get involved one way or another.
But with the northern ocean there are lands unseen with unimaginable resources and riches.
I would rather be the British empire during the Victorian age with the British east India company at my beck and call than be the Kazakhstan the largest land locked country
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 03:41:49 pm
Lamentia only won because they have the backing of Rucus and possible the republic, which they probably still have the backing of by the way, and there's the issue of being closer to the massive superpower. I don't think it's a good idea just yet, but it might be a good idea if we successfully beat and annex most of Eldrica and Parsia, possibly after a long resting period where we stay diplomatical and maneuver ourselves into a good position to attack it.Awow like that is a tad bit ridiculous like we would basically fight the nearly all of the superpowers of this world(that we know of) it just might be possible but still insanely dangerous.
Also, my next targets for annexation include Parsia, Lametania, and Eldrican.
Parsia, I will admit, is a rather tempting choice since we have proven we can beat them before and only decided not to annex them at the time because we were worried about Gubta, and so long as Gubta doesn't turn out to be to big or some large crack happens, I think we would be well equipped to deal with them and Parsia after we've integrated Cydwyl.
Eldrican is another choice that I am leaning towards since they've been kind of dickish towards us in general despite us saving their hides on multiple occasions. They would also likely have a large amount of mines or possible trading resources they control, and if we were to attack them I would suggest either going through the Empty Plain and Grey Rockfields to hit their north side or a joint attack through Koi and Eval. Then again, we are living prove that territory is not the major factor in power, it's how you use what you have at your disposal, and they might of not payed us due to not making enough money.
Well yeah, that's what happens when you become powerful. People become jealous. That's why I would personally advocate a slow and steady diplomatic approach to conquering our neighbours. Also, we have one of the best if not the best armies, since it's currently at 10. Conquering Eldrican is a perfectly valid approach once we've gotten things sorted with Cydwyl, same as conquering Parsia and then Gubta. Though I would personally say that's something best left to after we've conquered Eldrican, assuming we follow Maximum Spin's plan. And besides, I'm pretty sure the republic has already meddled in wars we've fought, specifically the war against Lamentia, since we have a very powerful army. I wouldn't be surprised if they're looking for an excuse to kill the rising star that is the Empire of methiant, we've clearly proven that looking small on a map doesn't mean we aren't worthy of being an Empire.Not, presumably, all at once.still like seriously think about it let’s say we conquer eldrican somehow don’t you think that the empire of damed might be a little concerned with this giant colossus for a country. the other powers are going to get involved one way or another.
Post by: ZBridges on July 21, 2018, 03:43:55 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 21, 2018, 04:01:32 pm
Also.
DDDDDDD
AAAAAAAAA
Alright I'm back.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 21, 2018, 04:09:14 pm
About why I'd vote for Doge as our heir instead of Cyl... It's just that the nobles of the North seem very... Traditional and fractious. We've come to get them to accept that eventually we'll merge under Doge, and they have many years to get used to the idea. I'm not sure if they'd take it well if that was suddenly sped up and Cyl was put in charge of the empire, even if Cyl is their king, he doesn't command them as absolutely as we command our bureaucratic empire.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 21, 2018, 04:57:54 pm
About attacking the Kingdom of Eldrican in the near future, I'm pretty sure they have an alliance with Rucus, and thus might even have ties to the empire. So that's probably not something we want to go for right away. In addition, although they were weaker then us for quite a while, they've not really shown off their martial power since they absorbed the horse tribes. If they can call upon tribal hordes to supplement their armies they'd become a lot more powerful then they were last time we had anything to do with them.
About why I'd vote for Doge as our heir instead of Cyl... It's just that the nobles of the North seem very... Traditional and fractious. We've come to get them to accept that eventually we'll merge under Doge, and they have many years to get used to the idea. I'm not sure if they'd take it well if that was suddenly sped up and Cyl was put in charge of the empire, even if Cyl is their king, he doesn't command them as absolutely as we command our bureaucratic empire.
I see your logic, but the north is doing well enough for Cyl that he can go on vacation. There is likely a high happiness score on his end. I doubt they will revel against their beloved King any time soon.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 22, 2018, 12:09:48 am
Yes A
That is the son of our current husband right?
Would let us ensure Cyl keeps him alive and well so that he can keep up the personal union.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 12:52:45 am
One last thing before I go to sleep. Eldrican has constantly asked us for help throughout the history of methiant, they are most certainly not a superpoweron why I considered eldrican to be a super power
Let’s imagine ourselves to being a methiant general what do you need for a war recruits breed or something like it wine for the morale fire blood armaments and ammunition let’s say that’s you deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep inside eldrican territory what well for starter fully equipped soldiers with dwarven steel assaulting your legions constantly (they have to spend large chunk of their wealth on something to get where they are now and probably are making artifacts for them and not just building toys for the king right)being assaulted left right and center.a) the bread if it even comes is usually moldy
And might as well as garbage so you mostly have to loot it from the the villages that you conquer which
We get to our next point b) due to the supply chain stretching out it and being especially easy for the soldiers of eldrican Terrain far more than you would know they hide in the bushes behind the rocks waiting for the right chance to kill
Due to the supply line issue less recruits are coming in due to the gurrila warfare of the eldrican forces
And those that due come in are often wounded.
(My argument condensed fighting eldrican forces directly is about as smart as smashing your face into a castle wall and hoping it will break before you.but with magical beasts and strange and powerful artifacts
That just might be the equivalent to a sledgehammer still hard as stone but possible)
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 02:31:34 am
on why I considered eldrican to be a super power
*Snip*
Was Eldrica the one at war with the dwarves a while ago? I can't remember. I do admit that it has actually been a while since they last showed of their martial prowess though, and they might be able to get troops from the hordes they conquered a while ago. However, the supply line issue is exactly why I was thinking it might be a good idea to use two armies, one through Eval and one through Koi, which would take out all the castles and important cities nearbye. I do think that taking over Eldrica will be a multi-war process and probably something we won't be easily doing soon, but it should be manageable with our 10 army. Also, you say they've spent tons of money on dwarven steel, but I don't remember that being said anywhere. I thought they used their money to pay of their debts, though I suppose I could be wrong. If it turns out they actually have been said to use dwarven steel somewhere before in the thread I suppose that changes things, making them even more of a later project than before. If that is the case, I say we also try to be diplomatic with the dwarves until they next offer us dwarven steel, and if they are allied with Eldrica then we just keep being nice to them and giving them money until they will choose either to not intefere or to join our side. At this point, with how friendly we've started being with the dwarves, it would be best to not aggravate them again since they could probably quite easily destroy the artifacts they've given us.
Honestly, my plan personally would be to see how inhabitable the uninhabited areas are up northwest, especially the Northern Mountains which are likely to contain more silver and gold to keep us going a bit longer. If we can get to them before Eldrican expands across them too much, that's more money and crafts to fuel economic growth which could then allow us to strengthen the border forts, since that option tends to pop up each time we have that much money. Then we deal with Hellsite and possibly Albion, depending on how large they actually turn out to be whenever the cartographers get round to going up there, probably opening up more exploration and trade options overseas. That's as far as my plan goes for now, since that would still probably take quite a few years due to us trying to safely integrate Cydwyl and the potential exploration of the Northen Mountains, and who knows what could happen in that time.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:38:48 am
well I think I remember eldrican was on good terms with the dwarf I might be wrong if that’s is the case then that leaves only the logistics problem which we can take with magical items or infrastructure or magical infrastructure either way it makes our jobs easieron why I considered eldrican to be a super power
*Snip*
Was Eldrica the one at war with the dwarves a while ago? I can't remember. I do admit that it has actually been a while since they last showed of their martial prowess though, and they might be able to get troops from the hordes they conquered a while ago. However, the supply line issue is exactly why I was thinking it might be a good idea to use two armies, one through Eval and one through Koi, which would take out all the castles and important cities nearbye. I do think that taking over Eldrica will be a multi-war process and probably something we won't be easily doing soon, but it should be manageable with our 10 army. Also, you say they've spent tons of money on dwarven steel, but I don't remember that being said anywhere. I thought they used their money to pay of their debts, though I suppose I could be wrong. If it turns out they actually have been said to use dwarven steel somewhere before in the thread I suppose that changes things, making them even more of a later project than before. If that is the case, I say we also try to be diplomatic with the dwarves until they next offer us dwarven steel, and if they are allied with Eldrica then we just keep being nice to them and giving them money until they will choose either to not intefere or to join our side. At this point, with how friendly we've started being with the dwarves, it would be best to not aggravate them again since they could probably quite easily destroy the artifacts they've given us.
Honestly, my plan personally would be to see how inhabitable the uninhabited areas are up northwest, especially the Northern Mountains which are likely to contain more silver and gold to keep us going a bit longer. If we can get to them before Eldrican expands across them too much, that's more money and crafts to fuel economic growth which could then allow us to strengthen the border forts, since that option tends to pop up each time we have that much money. Then we deal with Hellsite and possibly Albion, depending on how large they actually turn out to be whenever the cartographers get round to going up there, probably opening up more exploration and trade options overseas. That's as far as my plan goes for now, since that would still probably take quite a few years due to us trying to safely integrate Cydwyl and the potential exploration of the Northen Mountains, and who knows what could happen in that time.
About northern mountains we can’t just assume that it does possess silver and gold it’s likely that it does possesses some noble metals but it’s probably just tons of iron maybe even some copper.
As for a war eldricean I don’t like long wars I want a blitz not stagnate in a 20 year war
An army marches on its stomach
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 02:51:25 am
ddddddd
/me explodes.
Post by: crazyabe on July 22, 2018, 02:55:51 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:56:52 am
A.well that will break the tie
Pantonthon will probably size power now or make us pay tribute to the church
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:58:28 am
From now on I will try my best to stay on topic
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 03:24:01 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 04:06:14 am
I don't think the Pantheon is going to just magically seize power. At the very least the other religions won't be happy. Honestly I'm fine with either vote, I just think that making Cydwyl take control will help the integration process. Also, claiming Haspen has suffered a mental breakdown and should rest because your vote isn't winning seems like a bad way to make people agree with you. Edit: Ah wait, you edited that bit about him needing to rest out.wait what that’s not what I meant at all sorry for the confusion I just suck I didn’t mean to make my post so unintentionally hostile I apologize if I caused harm with my posts
To the topic at hand now
Also about doge I guess I don’t really don’t mind that doge is the emperor like I am ok with it
About the clergy’s i guess that I am extremely paranoid I just don’t want a civil war my main problem with them is that they already proven to capricious and untrustworthy and we really really don’t want a damed invasion as a civil war is happening
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 04:57:00 am
Anyway, yeah, I can completely understand while people are paranoid about Pantheonism taking control, and I agree that they need to be taught a lesson sometime in the future. However I don't think they will try to overthrow us since Ruberta's been a good ruler, in fact she's the first Good ruler in hundreds of years if I remember correctly, and we have max happiness and authority. If anyone's going to cause problems it's going to be Cydwyl, and I'm hoping that showing we're willing to let Cyl take control when it's necessary will improve Cydwyl's opinion of us. Honestly, our entire future depends on this integration going smoothly, and I'm rather paranoid that something is going to go horribly wrong and we'll end up at odds with Cydwyl.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 05:09:49 am
I don't think you were causing harm. Causing harm with words would be if you told someone you knew to... well, harm themselves.ok
Anyway, yeah, I can completely understand while people are paranoid about Pantheonism taking control, and I agree that they need to be taught a lesson sometime in the future. However I don't think they will try to overthrow us since Ruberta's been a good ruler, in fact she's the first Good ruler in hundreds of years if I remember correctly, and we have max happiness and authority. If anyone's going to cause problems it's going to be Cydwyl, and I'm hoping that showing we're willing to let Cyl take control when it's necessary will improve Cydwyl's opinion of us. Honestly, our entire future depends on this integration going smoothly, and I'm rather paranoid that something is going to go horribly wrong and we'll end up at odds with Cydwyl.
So how do you think that the other great powers will react if a union between cydwyl methiant where to happen.
Hold the phone could damed sponsor cydwyl nobles :o.
Wow I am extremely paranoid. Regardless we need more magical items
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 05:30:37 am
Also, replying to an earlier post you made, if it is just iron and copper in the Northern Mountains then we can either do some trading with it or the tools we can make from it. Speaking of the Northern Mountains, I feel like they're going to need renaming once our cartographers explore past them, since it'd be rather odd to have the Northern mountains right in the middle of the map.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 05:40:49 am
They'll probably be terrified at this new threat to their power. That's why I suggest we focus on being diplomatic, setting up trade deals, alliances, etc. This integration will double the size of an already powerful empire, and they will be terrified, but this integration has been slowly inching towards completion for so long it would be foolish to go back and waste all that effort. I'd say a period of peace and diplomacy lasting at least 10~ years would be ideal, which is another reason why I'm choosing Cyl, if we die he is a diplomatic king, something that will probably be needed to write the letters to any who do want to rebel. After a period of peace and establishing ourselves diplomatically I'd then suggest following up on some old wars that happened against Hellsite or Albion. Of course, if it is true that Eldrica is in with Lamentia, Rucus and all them that that does effectively bar off any expansion to the south or west, especially if Eldrica has dwarven steel. Though if they attacks us and we have more than a pyrrhic victory that would obviously complicate and change things.on the diplomatic part I agree with you
Also, replying to an earlier post you made, if it is just iron and copper in the Northern Mountains then we can either do some trading with it or the tools we can make from it. Speaking of the Northern Mountains, I feel like they're going to need renaming once our cartographers explore past them, since it'd be rather odd to have the Northern mountains right in the middle of the map.
About the northern mountains it might be the case that sky iron crashed and embedded it self in the rock if that is the case we might have the equivalent of a gold rush also remember that (I think this planet is mostly water I’m not sure) the northern ocean might have loads of sky iron deep beneath the waves.
Which we can use to buy off the dwarfs.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 06:00:21 am
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 06:03:20 am
Fakeedit: And yeah, I was about to mention the same thing before it was posted before I finished this post. Even if there is sky iron in the ocean, it is probably in random small chunks that might not be worth the effort to develop whole new technology for exploring the floor of the ocean.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 06:04:18 am
What makes you think that there's any significant amount of sky iron anywhere that you're purpose it'd be? Remembering that in the past any amount of it we've gotten has been in tiny chunks... What evidence do you have for supposing the existence of it in such vast quantities in these areas?note the use of the word might in my post there probably isn’t any
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 06:05:28 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 06:13:03 am
If sky iron crashed in the mountains and no one else got it first, the dwarves probably have it by now. And getting sky iron from the bottom of the ocean... that might something that takes a few hundred years to do, but if we started doing it first we would basically be the best friend of the dwarves, so probably a very long term thing. And my idea with the dwarves is that whenever we're doing really good economy wise we just give them some money, since it has been said multiple times that the best way to make them like us is to shower them with gold. If we give them gold for long enough, not alot mind you, probably 2 or 3 economy points every couple years, we could get a second chance at dwarven steel, which would be a huge improvement to our already powerful army. Of course, this plan does also require that we manage to get our economy in a good position, which should hopefully be achieved either once we've integrated Cydwyl or once we start trading during the ideal peace period after the integration.about the technology part there maybe is an artifacts for this
Fakeedit: And yeah, I was about to mention the same thing before it was posted before I finished this post. Even if there is sky iron in the ocean, it is probably in random small chunks that might not be worth the effort to develop whole new technology for exploring the floor of the ocean.
You remember that artifacts can effect a entire army what about army of swimmers this theoretical artifact can effect like protecting themselves from water pressure lack of oxygen the biting cold of course. But the main threats are pirates and sea beasts.
This was mainly to see what our options are in the future and the biggest reason why I wrote this is that it’s fun to speculate.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 06:26:35 am
Actually, what kind of object would it be? Sea Shell? Trident? I'm leaning towards trident, since then the person wielding it could at least defend themselves to some extent. I'd say it has to be something involving water though, just to kind of keep with the theme. After all, a clock of water breathing isn't quite the same.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 06:45:03 am
The effects lessens the larger the area it has to effect, but that might actually be a good idea to ask the dwarves for some sort of waterbreathing artifact that let's a very large group of swimmers go on underwater expeditions for sky iron that's fallen to the bottom of the ocean. Might take a while to train all the people to swim, and there is a risk of some sort of sea monster destroying the artifact or the person carrying it, but it might very well be worth looking into the next time we have a chance to ask the dwarves for an artifact.about the swimmers we could hire sailors form Albion as it most likely they have some experience dealing with water. We could also go the sorceress route of getting a magical sea beast to fish it up for us though I would not go that route since sorcery has bad after effects.
Actually, what kind of object would it be? Sea Shell? Trident? I'm leaning towards trident, since then the person wielding it could at least defend themselves to some extent. I'd say it has to be something involving water though, just to kind of keep with the theme. After all, a clock of water breathing isn't quite the same.
As for the shape of the the weaponry I would go with an harpoon since trident extra point bits get in the way when you maneuver I also think that’s it is better to equip harpoons (not artifacts mind you the cost would be to great.) Made out of bronze iron rust over time so why not bronze.
As for the artifacts why not a magical water urn or flask that the sailors drink from to gain the magical effect
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 07:10:22 am
As for the harpoon, eeeeh. I'm not how effective a ranged weapon will be that deep under the ocean with the massive pressure of the water on it. And besides, the artifact doesn't even need to be a weapon. Actually, I just had an idea, what if the artifact literally just keeps the water so you can have relatively well armoured troops lead expeditions deep underwater? That would also mean that any sea creatures that got too close would probably start choking in the bubble of air, lessening the effect massive, deadly sea creatures have on the expeditions. Then again the dwarves might of already made artifacts like this long ago, but hey, atleast we would be the first humans to lead expeditions on the bottom of the ocean floor. As for what the artifact is made out of, I imagine being a dwarven artifact full of magic means it doesn't have the issue of deterioration, at least not until MUCH later on when magic no longer exists, but that's just a given.
Edit: A magical urn or water flask seems highly inefficient, since it might have a limited effect depending on how full it is, an artifact that has a proper area of effect like the one I suggested is much more useful. It would also take forever to have a meaningful amount of people to drink out of it before the expedition starts, since at least 100 people be good for an expedition in my opinion.
Editdit: Also for us to be able to send expeditions into ocean would require for us to either declare war against Albion or Hellsite, preferably Hellsite since we still don't know just how much Albion controls that we can't see.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 07:17:22 am
I actually recently learnt that most great sea faring nations tended to be worse swimmers than landlocked nations or nations that didn't use the water to their advantage, not sure why though. Probably has something to do with being more focused on moving the ship and not really needing to swim since being a good sea faring nation usually means you have good boats, or maybe it's just pure chance.a) wow thanks for the new fact b) yep that’s what I meant say with the magical urn maybe a magical amulet
As for the harpoon, eeeeh. I'm not how effective a ranged weapon will be that deep under the ocean with the massive pressure of the water on it. And besides, the artifact doesn't even need to be a weapon. Actually, I just had an idea, what if the artifact literally just keeps the water so you can have relatively well armoured troops lead expeditions deep underwater? That would also mean that any sea creatures that got too close would probably start choking in the bubble of air, lessening the effect massive, deadly sea creatures have on the expeditions. Then again the dwarves might of already made artifacts like this long ago, but hey, atleast we would be the first humans to lead expeditions on the bottom of the ocean floor. As for what the artifact is made out of, I imagine being a dwarven artifact full of magic means it doesn't have the issue of deterioration, at least not until MUCH later on when magic no longer exists, but that's just a given.
About magic disappearing remember how one of our emperors had a prophetic dream about the sky of methiant turning purple and our people becoming monsters magic might make a return for good or ill
Hellsite are our allies so it should be okay
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 07:49:31 am
I remember that prophetic dream, but not which date we chose. The date we chose is actually quite important, since it could easily render any and all planning useless beyond that point. I think we chose 1300? Also, when I say 'much later on' about magic disapearing I mean around the 2000s, so yeah, a lot later on. Speaking of that event, I'd say we should either try to find a way to make sure it doesn't happen or we make sure everything is maxed when it's about to happen, because otherwise Methiant might be absolutely doomed.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 08:06:38 am
Ah, of course, forgot about that, and also realized we could try going through the mountains into the little area in between the mountains. So yeah, either we go through the mountains and get to the Saltsand Waters that way, we attack someone next to the ocean, or we diplomacy our way into getting Hellsite to allow us to send expeditions through their land. I would personally say sending an expedition to colonize the area just inside the mountains is a good idea, and the diplomacy is good if Ruberta does die and Cyl takes control.it was 1300 you are right
I remember that prophetic dream, but not which date we chose. The date we chose is actually quite important, since it could easily render any and all planning useless beyond that point. I think we chose 1300? Also, when I say 'much later on' about magic disapearing I mean around the 2000s, so yeah, a lot later on. Speaking of that event, I'd say we should either try to find a way to make sure it doesn't happen or we make sure everything is maxed when it's about to happen, because otherwise Methiant might be absolutely doomed.
Poor mainland methiant the magic storm will war the ecosystem or even destroy it
That’s why we need new land faraway from this entire continent if things go really bad for this world we might have to do a massive migration to the orc world.
What resources might the orc world have i mean only the jungle seems to have potential for timber exotic fruits and hides of strange beasts but the rest of it? The savages are welcome to it (unless we find gold or noble metals in the endless desert)
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 08:37:43 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 08:46:36 am
I think it was mentioned that there is a plains area and a jungle area we could potentially try to inhabit, but we would probably have to fight off the orcs and the ur-uks, not to mention society itself would probably change massively if there was a lack of easily obtainable ores. Also, I don't think the magic storm of doom will completely destroy it, but it will likely require a good amount of planning and making sure we have max stats in the years leading up to, since I doubt it will be completely sudden. I'd say we should spend the 20~ years leading up to/before it just making sure we'll be ready.a)about the ore issue your right
B) we should regardless build settlements anywhere where we can more settlements more population
More resources and more chances for survival
C)in the case the magical storm We might see our artifacts explode from sheer magical energy bursting out. or maybe becoming more powerful but more likely exploding.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 08:58:11 am
And yeah, a colonization expedition into the Orcworld would be nice once we've dealt with those Ur-uk. That might be a good task to give our army when they start getting annoyed at not being used enough.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 09:05:40 am
Maybe our artifacts will explode, maybe they won't. We'll see.the monkey people probably have a powerful Bronze Age empire and the orcs are probably their vassals or their tributaries (maybe this is why the orcs raid to provide tribute to their monkey overlords) which probably why they conspired against us. The monkeys have powerful sorcery(or slave races that have that ability) did they craft that artifact box themselves?.
And yeah, a colonization expedition into the Orcworld would be nice once we've dealt with those Ur-uk. That might be a good task to give our army when they start getting annoyed at not being used enough.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 09:11:50 am
I do wonder, however, just how many nations might exist in that world, assuming it's around the size of Earth.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 09:27:11 am
I doubt they will be able to beaut our 10 army though, and if they do we can always just lock up or even collapse the entrance if it gets desperate enough.i have a theory they don’t craft their own magic items see if they did they would have already screwed us with biological warfare you remember how one of our emperors died that root disease and that weirdly shaped tomb maybe they looted that relic from one of those weird insect tombs inside the ork world that magical box might be a trap re worked to serve the monkey folk but this answer raises more questions then answers why is the orc tribute so important to them?.
I do wonder, however, just how many nations might exist in that world, assuming it's around the size of Earth.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 10:04:06 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 10:10:44 am
Let's save the speculation until we know more about them, so far all we know is that they live far from the Orcworld entrance, we both gave each other some stuff, and then they tried to make us never come back again. Not a lot to go on really.true
Post by: milo christiansen on July 22, 2018, 11:05:16 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 11:14:14 am
Just to cement the lead: A Cyl can be regent.thank you
I Hope he gets a dwarven princess so that we can breed dwarven life span in the family though not to dwarven as it can effect fertility
Post by: birdy51 on July 22, 2018, 12:28:45 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 12:30:30 pm
Hopefully, Ruberta recovers. She's been one of my favorite rulers so far; I would be sad to see her go.she has such potential it would be a shame.
I hope that in the future there’s a school edict so that we may have the best possible doctors serving our court
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 12:33:03 pm
1183 AD, And few days later
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4
Your health is improving! Everyone is optimistic...
1183 AD, Three nights afterwards
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6
And the sickness is gone. Your healers prescribe a vegetable diet and herbal water instead of sweet fruits and fatty meats for now. However, even without the diet, you feel great again!
1183 AD, Mid-Spring
A ball! A grand ball!
That's what your noblemen are demanding nowadays. The country is strong, prosperous and stable, so they don't really have anything else to do - so why not arrange a grand ball to celebrate your returning to health and Cyl's visit?
A) *vuvuzela noises* Party time!!!
B) No.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 12:35:26 pm
You declare Cyl as your heir. The Advisor inscribes your decision upon the scroll, and you weakly the prepared wax seal with your royal signet.a) THANK GOD!.1183 AD, And few days laterQuote4
Your health is improving! Everyone is optimistic...1183 AD, Three nights afterwardsQuote6
And the sickness is gone. Your healers prescribe a vegetable diet and herbal water instead of sweet fruits and fatty meats for now. However, even without the diet, you feel great again!1183 AD, Mid-Spring
A ball! A grand ball!
That's what your noblemen are demanding nowadays. The country is strong, prosperous and stable, so they don't really have anything else to do - so why not arrange a grand ball to celebrate your returning to health and Cyl's visit?
A) *vuvuzela noises* Party time!!!
B) No.
She deserves it
Post by: birdy51 on July 22, 2018, 12:36:17 pm
Whoooo! I am glad she made it. Might cost a pretty penny, but pretty dresses are always good!
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 22, 2018, 12:39:32 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 22, 2018, 12:39:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 12:46:48 pm
1143 AD, Summer
The ball is underway. Everyone is listening to great music (apparently some very talented bard is performing), and you have a dance with Cyl first. But the ball room is full of noblemen and thus full of plots and rumors.
It isn't long till you have few drinks, lose Cyl in the commotion, and end listening along several noblewomen to the lovely ballads of the bard. He is young, charming, handsome, and oh gaaaawds that soothing, melodic voice. This man is a true talent, one in a generation - or maybe the wine has dimmed your hearing.
After he finishes his bawdy 'Ballad of Ceold and Ynylla', he turns to you and tips his hat.
"Does Lady Empress of Methiant has a special request?"
You decide to...
A) Pass.
B) Ask for another song.
C) Invite him to become the court musician.
D) Ask he tours the country on your behalf, singing to soothe your subjects' minds.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 12:48:35 pm
You arrange a grand ball for Summer time!a) I don’t intend to sire bastards and mess it up for doge1143 AD, Summer
The ball is underway. Everyone is listening to great music (apparently some very talented bard is performing), and you have a dance with Cyl first. But the ball room is full of noblemen and thus full of plots and rumors.
It isn't long till you have few drinks, lose Cyl in the commotion, and end listening along several noblewomen to the lovely ballads of the bard. He is young, charming, handsome, and oh gaaaawds that soothing, melodic voice. This man is a true talent, one in a generation - or maybe the wine has dimmed your hearing.
After he finishes his bawdy 'Ballad of Ceold and Ynylla', he turns to you and tips his hat.
"Does Lady Empress of Methiant has a special request?"
You decide to...
A) Pass.
B) Ask for another song.
C) Invite him to become the court musician.
D) Ask he tours the country on your behalf, singing to soothe your subjects' minds.
Though d would be a thing ruberta would do I don’t want to waste money
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 12:58:55 pm
You declare Cyl as your heir. The Advisor inscribes your decision upon the scroll, and you weakly the prepared wax seal with your royal signet.
Understandably got lost in the tons of chatter and probably doesn't even matter, but Doge won, not Cyl.
B. I mean, we're the empress, us getting some songs is pretty appropriate.
I'd ask for D but sadly I don't wanta spend the cash for right now.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 22, 2018, 01:00:14 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 22, 2018, 01:00:28 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:01:23 pm
yep doge won fair and squareYou declare Cyl as your heir. The Advisor inscribes your decision upon the scroll, and you weakly the prepared wax seal with your royal signet.
Understandably got lost in the tons of chatter and probably doesn't even matter, but Doge won, not Cyl.
B. I mean, we're the empress, us getting some songs is pretty appropriate.
I'd ask for D but sadly I don't wanta spend the cash for right now.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 01:03:40 pm
Nice, an update while I'm writing a post. A good one too! However, I only choose this under the assumption we are keeping up with our diet. We only just avoided death, let's not tempt fate again.
Aaaand another update. Hmmm. This seems suspicious to me. I'm going with A
Anyway.
Can I just say I love the story being crafted here? First you have Yoe I and Yoe II, the forefathers of the kingdom of Methiant who managed to start it's swift rise to power, and Luath I, a treacherous viper who tried, successfully, to gain favour with a part of the kingdom by helping Yoe II and abdicating from the thrown, only to swiftly be proven a tyrant and defeated. Then you have Cyl the Great, the man who lead the kingdom of Methiant into becoming an empire, but suffered from a lack of love from the people despite being instrumental in Methiant's rise, only to start getting frustrated after the death of his sons and the issues caused by religion, leading to rash choices near the end of his reign. Then you have Yoe III, an average king who had little effect on the realm and only had the name of the first Yoes, but a nice break from the constant change that happened during Cyl the Great's reign. After that there's the short reign of the mad Bjern I, who is killed by Ruberta I, who saves the empire in the process. After the heroic act of saving her daughter and empire, she is chosen as the first Empress of Methiant, quickly proving to the rest of the empire that she truly cares about it, proving herself to be the first Good ruler in hundreds of years and uniting Cydwyl during her prosperous reign of peace and tranquility. Hopefully.
I'm actually kind of tempted to make a book or novel or something about the events that happen in these games, probably in the style of a history book or
something.
Edit: And yeah, Doge won.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:09:06 pm
this right here is what made me love spamkingdomA
Nice, an update while I'm writing a post. A good one too! However, I only choose this under the assumption we are keeping up with our diet. We only just avoided death, let's not tempt fate again.
Aaaand another update. Hmmm. This seems suspicious to me. I'm going with A, but if it comes to a tie I suppose I will switch my vote to B.Actually scratch that, this just feels way too suspicious to me. Scandals are not nice in the best of times, we do not need to deal with one while we are in the middle of finally integrating Cydwyl into our empire after over 100 years of peace between us. I would say D if we had the money, but sadly we don't.
Anyway.
Can I just say I love the story being crafted here? First you have Yoe I and Yoe II, the forefathers of the kingdom of Methiant who managed to start it's swift rise to power, and Luath I, a treacherous viper who tried, successfully, to gain favour with a part of the kingdom by helping Yoe II and abdicating from the thrown, only to swiftly be proven a tyrant and defeated. Then you have Cyl the Great, the man who lead the kingdom of Methiant into becoming an empire, but suffered from a lack of love from the people despite being instrumental in Methiant's rise, only to start getting frustrated after the death of his sons and the issues caused by religion, leading to rash choices near the end of his reign. Then you have Yoe III, an average king who had little effect on the realm and only had the name of the first Yoes, but a nice break from the constant change that happened during Cyl the Great's reign. After that there's the short reign of the mad Bjern I, who is killed by Ruberta I, who saves the empire in the process. After the heroic act of saving her daughter and empire, she is chosen as the first Empress of Methiant, quickly proving to the rest of the empire that she truly cares about it, proving herself to be the first Good ruler in hundreds of years and uniting Cydwyl during her prosperous reign of peace and tranquility. Hopefully.
I'm actually kind of tempted to make a book or novel or something about the events that happen in these games, probably in the style of a history book or
something.
Edit: And yeah, Doge won.
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 01:11:54 pm
I'm actually kind of tempted to make a book or novel or something about the events that happen in these games, probably in the style of a history book or something.
Start with first SPAMKINGDOM as proper book, then make a novel about SPAMKINGDOM+, and finally 50% thicker sequel book that is SPAMKINGDOM#
You can do it, I believe in you :3
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:17:01 pm
1+I'm actually kind of tempted to make a book or novel or something about the events that happen in these games, probably in the style of a history book or something.
Start with first SPAMKINGDOM as proper book, then make a novel about SPAMKINGDOM+, and finally 50% thicker sequel book that is SPAMKINGDOM#
You can do it, I believe in you :3
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 01:17:31 pm
#Luathdidnothingwrong
#Aethledwasawitch
#Neverforget
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:22:14 pm
Replace that second bit with "Luath I, a noble hero who tried to rule justly and fairly and managed to successfully hold the nation together under the insanity of his brother and even cure him and peacefully pass back the reigns of power when he could have stayed king, only to regretfully have to rally the free people of methiant to fight against a despotic take over of the country by the evil queen mother after the death of her husband (probably at her hand tbh) but his noble rebellion was cruelty crushed by the forces of evil, leading to years of ineffective governance by the regency that eventually culminated in Cyl the Great, the man who took command of the kingdom during a surge of technological innovation and used that to forge a bloody empire build on the subjugation and genocide of his neighbors and deaths of a majority of his family line. The empire was military somewhat successful at first, folding in a number of neighbors, eventually crumbled under the weight of it's accumulated enemies and internal discontent, being forced to give up a number of it's military gains and after the Iron Fist of Cyl passed into the next world, was almost brought to a rebellious ruin by the incompetent and insane sons of Cyl, only saved by control of the empire passing away from his descendants and into the hands of the faithful and competent Ruberta I"#luathnotevenonce
#Luathdidnothingwrong
#Aethledwasawitch
#Neverforget
#cylforlife
#segedathetruequeen
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 22, 2018, 01:23:05 pm
#Luathdidnothingwrong#+1
#Aethledwasawitch
#Neverforget
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 01:25:21 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:27:40 pm
Who the heck is Aethled though v:was that not cyl mother.?
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 01:29:04 pm
#Segedawasawitch
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 01:39:29 pm
Edit: Also, didn't the rebels actually lose due to Haspen thinking they had decided to do something which basically could be summed up as executing random people, something along that lines. Maybe Luath was a good king after all, he was just influenced by the rumours that Segeda was a witch and felt like it was his duty to his kingdom to save it form what he thought was a witch, but a mis-communication or manipulation by other rebel leaders ended up dooming his rebellion, despite having his heart in the right place. Maybe he was just a manipulative bastard. Maybe I'll even look at the population's differing opinions of him when he rebelled, likely ranging from 'Hero' to 'Fool' to 'Devil, since no side is truly evil and it's all a matter of perspective. Anyway, I'll shut up now.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:42:26 pm
I'm honestly just confused that everyone either thinks she was a witch, or an angel. I'm not even sure how these opinions formed, I think it's pretty clear that she was very much average on the evilness scale, wasn't even that manipulative since she gave up after the first try at manipulating... I believe it was Cyl? Honestly she was just kinda bitchy, and that somehow escalated into her being a witch. Kind of amusing.not really an angel so much that she helped give birth to one of our greatest kings we might be at the very least respectful for that and yes she was a pain but not enough to call her a witch
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 01:43:20 pm
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As Tywynn plays for you, you feel more and more sure of the fact that he isn't as good bard as he seems to be! It looks to you that it is the plinkings of the harp that are making his music better... and him more charming. Other noblewomen giggle and stare at him as if he was a shiny trinket, but you're folloed no more!
You invite him somewhere more secluded, and once the youngster falls into your trap, you push him for answers. He takes his hat off, bows like a jester and grins sheepishly.
"I was once an adventurer, and yes, this harp seems to be enchanted. I've been much more successful with maidens and wenches since I've obtained it... Lady Empress being one of few those who haven't befallen to its charm." You scoff at him. How many women he has wooed with the help of the harp? How many families did he disrupt?
"Dungeon or execution, then? After all, you've tried to bewitch a married woman and an Empress of Methiant." The Bard grimaces and hastily falls to his knee, the grimace replaced with unsure smile.
"Anything for you, Lady Empress, even for free, just... spare me that date with your executioner."
You demand that...
A) He becomes your court musician and charms your political opponents into submission.
B) He tours the Empire and uses the harp's magic to soothe your subjects' spirits.
C) He leaves the Empire and never comes back, if he wants to keep his harp and his life intact.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:45:19 pm
Wait a minute shouldn’t the bracelet had helped us there?.
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 01:46:06 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 22, 2018, 01:47:24 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 01:48:34 pm
a) never use it near me or my family got itEdit: See the post below yours. It also makes it harder for other people to quote your post since they need to delete the post you quoted. And actually, it would be far too obvious if we just kept using a harp in diplomatic meetings, so maybe we make it something that our court musician inherits, after each court musician dies it's passed onto the next one.
and after your death let doge inherit it
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 01:54:17 pm
AHA! I KNEW IT! Hmmm. A, since it could easily prove quite useful in the diplomacy period after and during our integration of Cydwyl.ah thank you for the information I fixed ita) never use it near me or my family got itEdit: See the post below yours. It also makes it harder for other people to quote your post since they need to delete the post you quoted. And actually, it would be far too obvious if we just kept using a harp in diplomatic meetings, so maybe we make it something that our court musician inherits, after each court musician dies it's passed onto the next one.
and after your death let doge inherit it
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 01:57:55 pm
Mind control fuckery is too scary to keep this close. We have our own mind control amulet as well, after all, do we really need his magic as well?
Honestly I'd prefer to kill him or something. But given the options, here we go.
dit: Also, didn't the rebels actually lose due to Haspen thinking they had decided to do something which basically could be summed up as executing random people, something along that lines.
Yup. The rebels lost because Haspen misread the orders that the rebel team voted for and played the worst card possible, the Urban Massacre, which costs a lot of loyalty at the same time the loyalist team played a card that attacks the loyalty of the rebels, causing them to instantly loose.
As for the rest, yeah, it's basically just opinion based. I still think it's clear Lauth probably would have been a better king for the kingdom mechanically, but any sorta characterization you want to apply to the characters and their actions is subjective.
Post by: birdy51 on July 22, 2018, 02:09:23 pm
We ought to confiscate the instrument as well, but perhaps we're a bit under the spell than we think we are. To be truthful, I am more interested in how he came about it. I mean, I still think Ruberta should eject him from the kingdom, but still.
Just think what would happen if left this vagabond about the court... He might seduce our daughter, or worse yet, our husband!
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 02:11:13 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:12:13 pm
Csmart plan c) i am ok with any plan so long as it involves getting his magical item
We ought to confiscate the instrument as well, but perhaps we're a bit under the spell than we think we are. To be truthful, I am more interested in how he came about it. I mean, I still think Ruberta should eject him from the kingdom, but still.
Just think what would happen if left this vagabond about the court... He might seduce our daughter, or worse yet, our husband!
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 22, 2018, 02:12:36 pm
Just think what would happen if left this vagabond about the court... He might seduce our daughter, or worse yet, our husband!I was uncertain before, but now you have convinced me: I'm okay with that.
A
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 02:17:58 pm
Actually, D would be a very nice option. Then we make sure he never becomes our problem again. Still, I would suggest you keep voting C until D actually becomes an option, if it becomes an option. It's not very often that he adds another option because of our requests after all, and I for one like making sure my votes are still relevant.Csmart plan I cast my vote to you d) consficate his magical item
We ought to confiscate the instrument as well, but perhaps we're a bit under the spell than we think we are. To be truthful, I am more interested in how he came about it. I mean, I still think Ruberta should eject him from the kingdom, but still.
Just think what would happen if left this vagabond about the court... He might seduce our daughter, or worse yet, our husband!
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:19:49 pm
doneActually, D would be a very nice option. Then we make sure he never becomes our problem again. Still, I would suggest you keep voting C until D actually becomes an option, if it becomes an option. It's not very often that he adds another option because of our requests after all, and I for one like making sure my votes are still relevant.Csmart plan I cast my vote to you d) consficate his magical item
We ought to confiscate the instrument as well, but perhaps we're a bit under the spell than we think we are. To be truthful, I am more interested in how he came about it. I mean, I still think Ruberta should eject him from the kingdom, but still.
Just think what would happen if left this vagabond about the court... He might seduce our daughter, or worse yet, our husband!
Post by: Haspen on July 22, 2018, 02:25:19 pm
The bard profusely thanks you for your hospitality and mercy and leaves (and, indeed, you never hear of him or his magical instrument again).
Few minutes later you're back to the main hall, looking for your husban- HE IS DANCING WITH ANOTHER WOMAN!
They're all smiles, dancing in the centre of the hall. People stare at Cyl and the woman in purple dress, whom you reckon is Lady Taóll, from Felonsein, claimed to be one of most beautiful women in that region.
You decide to...
A) Approach the pair and steal Cyl for yourself per dancing rules.
B) Make Cyl a scene so he regrets his choice.
C) Leave the hall in disgust.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:30:23 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 22, 2018, 02:31:22 pm
Get some air. She is surely an insufferable hussy, but our Husband DID come all this way to see us on what might have been our deathbed. Best to just have angry, but passionate lovemaking later.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 22, 2018, 02:40:21 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:41:54 pm
Cnobody moves a finger on our man!.
Get some air. She is surely an insufferable hussy, but our Husband DID come all this way to see us on what might have been our deathbed. Best to just have angry, but passionate lovemaking later.
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 02:42:16 pm
Bad Husbando, bad. Our amulet should even the odds.
The fact that he came here to see us on our deathbed just makes it worse he's already dancing with another woman too.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:44:35 pm
Aand-if that doesn’t work we have a sword!. (We should name it diplomacy to make doge when he comes of age a arch diplomat) this was a joke
Bad Husbando, bad. Our amulet should even the odds.
The fact that he came here to see us on our deathbed just makes it worse he's already dancing with another woman too.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 22, 2018, 02:50:25 pm
It is a ball. He is allowed to have fun as long as he knows who he is coming home with. Let's not do anything dumb.
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:52:54 pm
A.good idea
It is a ball. He is allowed to have fun as long as he knows who he is coming home with. Let's not do anything dumb.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 22, 2018, 02:53:05 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 02:53:21 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:55:17 pm
A. Yeah. I mean, it's... So FAR. Not suspicious really. He's the empress consort, he can be allowed to dance with others. If they are a loyal noble to us.1+
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 02:56:13 pm
Let's not resort to killing unless she turns out to have extreme malicious intent or attacks us first, Basil ii. And even then, it would be much better to just imprison her or assassinate her in her sleep.it was mainly a joke a bad one at that (besides poison is much more efficient)
Post by: Weirdsound on July 22, 2018, 03:21:09 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 22, 2018, 03:29:33 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 03:39:23 pm
Hmm. If worse comes to worst, I guess it's something, but I'd rather have someone more reliable marry into the family. I'm also pretty sure she probably wouldn't like him.to be honest i think we are fine we have the amulet on our side
Post by: Basil ii on July 22, 2018, 03:43:27 pm
Might as well use this double post for something
The horn of wakefulness a onyx horn
This is a onyx war horn. All craftdwarfship is of the highest quality.it is studded with ivory, decorated with onyx, jet and forgotten beast shell and encircled with bands of lapis lazuli. This object menaces with
Spikes of quartz and bronze.on the item is an image of some craftdwarfs and death. Death is in a fetal position. The dwarves are laughing.
Mechanics
This horn resurrect fallen mortals and calls the empty husk to rise And preserves it.The main use is in construction where they serve the role of cheap labor and can also be used in mines but In both cases they need to be overseen by one of the living as they have the intelligence of a smart cockroach. The secondary use for Them is fodder for fire blood they will put themselves in the way of any blade arrow fire blood shoot all to protect their living masters.
Post by: Prophet on July 22, 2018, 03:50:11 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 22, 2018, 04:13:39 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 07:41:08 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2018, 07:42:51 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 07:44:40 am
Select from the best of the given options.i voted A this is just an attempt to have a backup plan without murder or imprisonment if things go bad.
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 23, 2018, 01:46:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2018, 01:53:57 pm
c
You decide to take your man back!
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You approach the dancing pair, and per etiquette, take the free hand of your husband. He looks at you, then at Taóll, who makes buttery eyes at him, but his own smile has her understand that she lost with you.
Of course Cyl would dance with you. He is your husband, what were you thinking?
The ball ends as the morning rays of the sun lazily ooze from behind the horizon. All the wine in castle has been consumed, and so was ale and herbal waters; roast meats, baked cereals, cooked vegetables and cauldrons soups were consumed in great quantities as well.
1183 AD, Autumn
Profits from selling of bought spices, traded glasswork and Springwine sales are tallied up!
Quote
4to5, 2to3, 2to5
Spices sell very well, and so does glasswares. The various roots and flavors placate your noblemen. The Springwine sells quite well for its own standards, too.
Between the ball and Autumnal reports from the Trade Commissioner, Cyl has been vacationing at your palace and visiting your bedroom, albeit sporadically, not wishing to upset your body with accidental pregnancy (he seems more scared for your health than you are, aw).
A week after the trade reports a messenger arrives. Apparently, some religious disturbance occured in the far east of Cydwyl, and a dispute with some border noblemen of Helliste is also troubling the court, who decided to ask Cyl to come back.
You decide to...
A) Wish him well on his journey home!
B) Make sweet doe eyes at him and ask that he stays for a while longer.
Post by: Rockeater on July 23, 2018, 01:56:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 23, 2018, 01:56:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 02:00:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 23, 2018, 02:01:39 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 02:06:11 pm
The dispute with noblemen of Hellsite and the religious disturbance in the east of Cydwyl are both worrying. Hopefully he's able to deal with it well, he is charismatic after all.
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:09:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 02:11:02 pm
A
The dispute with noblemen of Hellsite and the religious disturbance in the east of Cydwyl are both worrying. Hopefully he's able to deal with it well, he is charismatic after all.
We should probably remind him, before he leaves, that his daughter is to wed the future king of Hellsite when they come of age. It wouldn't do to go to war with them and mess that match up.
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
Edit:
I don't think it's supposed to look like that.Quote5[abbr="3+2+2-2 due to Bracelet of Charisma (Ruberta), Charismatic trait (Cyl) and Most Beautiful trait (Taóll of Felonsein)
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2018, 02:15:44 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:17:27 pm
it can maybe crush our alliance hellsite so much so that they maybe will come into the damed sphere of influence in the worst case scenario which has the smallest chance of happening.A
The dispute with noblemen of Hellsite and the religious disturbance in the east of Cydwyl are both worrying. Hopefully he's able to deal with it well, he is charismatic after all.
We should probably remind him, before he leaves, that his daughter is to wed the future king of Hellsite when they come of age. It wouldn't do to go to war with them and mess that match up.
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:19:12 pm
Yes, we should. Also, looking at the map I just realized that the far east of Cydwyl is the area of badlands they colonized, and there is a duchy-sized Parsian controlled area right on their border. That could very well be the source of the religious disturbance.oh god it’s the new Balkan region.
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 02:19:41 pm
I'd say the worst case scenario would be them declaring war on us when we integrate Cydwyl and Eldrican, Lamentia and Rucus all take advantage of us being distracted to stop us from growing more powerful than them. Then the event we dreamed of happens early, and Methiant is destroyed. Honestly any scenario where Methiant is destroyed is the worst case scenario for me.it can maybe crush our alliance hellsite so much so that they maybe will come into the damed sphere of influence in the worst case scenario which has the smallest chance of happening.A
The dispute with noblemen of Hellsite and the religious disturbance in the east of Cydwyl are both worrying. Hopefully he's able to deal with it well, he is charismatic after all.
We should probably remind him, before he leaves, that his daughter is to wed the future king of Hellsite when they come of age. It wouldn't do to go to war with them and mess that match up.
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:22:03 pm
oh god let’s hope that if it happens the dwarves have steel on sale. [Edit] wait a minute we have a lazor horse this will help probably.I'd the worst case scenario would be them declaring war on us when we integrate Cydwyl and Eldrican, Lamentia and Rucus all take advantage of us being distracted to stop us from growing more powerful than them.it can maybe crush our alliance hellsite so much so that they maybe will come into the damed sphere of influence in the worst case scenario which has the smallest chance of happening.A
The dispute with noblemen of Hellsite and the religious disturbance in the east of Cydwyl are both worrying. Hopefully he's able to deal with it well, he is charismatic after all.
We should probably remind him, before he leaves, that his daughter is to wed the future king of Hellsite when they come of age. It wouldn't do to go to war with them and mess that match up.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 23, 2018, 02:29:39 pm
A this seams like it’s of far greater importance than sleeping with him.
What could be more important than getting our hanky panky on?
A
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:31:36 pm
god dammit stop thinking about our di-wait a minute./this was a joke post a bad oneA this seams like it’s of far greater importance than sleeping with him.
What could be more important than getting our hanky panky on?
A
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2018, 02:41:10 pm
1183 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive a letter from Cyl; he has managed to solve both of issues troubling his Kingdom, but decided to remain there because its bad to be away from the throne for long period of time anyways.
Meanwhile, you receive a colorful entourage of clean-shaven men and women in bright blue robes and conical hats - who came to you all the way from Kingdom of Ivonia!
Silver and golden earrings, clasps and beads adorn their clothes, and that heavy necklace with eight gold bells at their necks can't be anything else but a religious symbol.
The eldest-looking of men steps forward and bows gently, spreading his arms wide to the sides. His companions all follow suit after a moment.
"May you be forever prosperous, Empress of Methiant! We are the humble Pearlites, sons and daughters of Per, the Good Trader. By pure accident we have learned of the existence of Empire of Methiant, and that it prizes itself on value of money and profits from trade. We therefore ask for royal consent to begin preaching the good word of Per amongst your subjects."
"What would that 'good word' be?"
"That rich should care for the poor, and poor praise rich for their efforts. That accumulating of money to help one's community reach a shared goal is good. That greed and hoarding of money all for yourself is a sin. That charity and generosity are the two greatest virtues of all successful money-makers. This is written in the ancient Codex of Per, which he wrote thirteen generations ago, when he was still walking around, sharing the accumulated wealth of his family to those in need, standing tall at ridicule and harassment of fat merchants and rich lords, basking in praise of the poor and the social."
The courtiers whisper and mumble while you think about their offer.
A) "This faith speaks to me on personal level! I will build you a temple so that your faith gets a good start!"
B) "Charity and philanthropy already have their Gods amongst the Pantheon. Please go away, thank you."
C) "It doesn't sound like anything harmful, so I see no reason to stop you. You may preach freely in Methiant."
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 23, 2018, 02:42:46 pm
This seems like something Ruberta would approve of.
Post by: crazyabe on July 23, 2018, 02:44:10 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:44:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on July 23, 2018, 02:45:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2018, 02:45:47 pm
1. Stop double-posting.
2. Stop quoting whole posts.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 23, 2018, 02:45:55 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 02:48:28 pm
Basil ii this is really your last warning.sorry I will try
1. Stop double-posting.
2. Stop quoting whole posts.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 02:49:44 pm
I like their philosophy, but I'm a bit afraid that sponsoring any religion other than Pantheonism might mess up our union with Cydwyl. They can stay, but we will not be building them any temples.
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 02:52:17 pm
Yeah, let's not mess up our union with Cydwyl. Besides, while Ruberta probably would be tempted to adopt it as her own I imagine she also understands that it's a bad idea since the integration of Cydwyl is somewhat underway.
Post by: helmacon on July 23, 2018, 02:53:13 pm
it's more a philosophy than a religion. It shouldn't be mutually exclusive with pantheisim
Post by: Chevaleresse on July 23, 2018, 02:57:00 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 23, 2018, 03:17:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2018, 03:36:26 pm
1183 AD, Late Autumn
You receive a very intriguing letter from Duke Abron Patterne of Province Milan in western Ysirene.
Apparently, his son, during a hunt, was accosted by a drunkard and vagabond, and a brief scuffle occured. The Duke's boy received a gash on his forehead while the drunkard received lashes. That's when the thug claimed revenge on all of Duke's family because he is Methiantese royalty.
While the Duke was sure the man was spewing drunken lies, one of his courtiers did mention a story about a Methiantese nobleman living in Milan once, having fled some terrible civil war or power struggle. On the other hand, the history of the drunk (or rather stories collaborated by his neighbours when he still had a home) suggests his wife was a commoner of sorts and left with their four children when the drunk began to overindulge the bottle, that's when he lost his job as a farmer, then sold his house and went for the streets and forests.
The man has been imprisoned and his bearded, smelly persona is none that of a proper nobleman, and his name is Son. Or something like that, the Duke's guards weren't able to get the information from him at the time of writing of this letter.
Still, the Duke felt a tiny bit concerned and that's why he decided to send you this letter. He is also offering to execute the drunk if you felt offended by the mugger's claims even for a moment.
You decide to...
A) Ignore the letter because a Milanese drunkard is Duke's problem, not yours.
B) Send a reply in which you grant the drunk mercy.
C) Consult the Spymaster about this.
D) Send a reply in which you express your desire to have this impostor killed.
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 03:37:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2018, 03:38:30 pm
Might as well give the chap some work. An actual popular ruler for once, he must be absolutely bored out his skull not keeping track of rebellions and wayward family members.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 23, 2018, 03:39:50 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 23, 2018, 03:42:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 03:45:28 pm
C, but also, if it does turn out to be that one drunk cousin who escaped (or his heir), we should totally execute him anyway.
C. But no. We could use more spare royals. If they turn out to be legit, we should invite them back.
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 03:47:50 pm
Let's give the spymaster some work, I agree he's probably very bored having to deal with such a Good ruler. And honestly I'm not sure if I want that drunk guy back, though I suppose he can come back if he is legit. Ruberta does seem the kind and forgiving sort.
Post by: helmacon on July 23, 2018, 03:51:17 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 23, 2018, 03:53:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2018, 03:57:17 pm
He rubs his chin thoughtfully.
"Considering the drunkiness of the man and similarity of names, it is possible that it is Saenn, your... apologies, your first husband's uncle and son of Cyl the Great."
You try to remember the guy but you don't get a thing.
"He fled Methiant after embarassing your husband due to his drunkiness, and settled in Ysirene. My agents were supposed to check on him periodically but it seems that after he settled down and shied away from public view, they've neglected their duties. I will replace them, of course."
You decide to...
A) Ignore the letter because Saenn is Duke's problem, not yours.
B) Send a reply in which you grant the drunk mercy, and have him sent over to Methiant.
B) Send a reply in which you grant the drunk mercy.
D) Send a reply in which you express your desire to have this shameless relative 'dealt with'.
Post by: ZBridges on July 23, 2018, 03:58:24 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 23, 2018, 04:00:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 23, 2018, 04:00:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 23, 2018, 04:05:09 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on July 23, 2018, 04:07:10 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 23, 2018, 04:08:51 pm
Why do you guys want a problem child to come home?
Post by: Weirdsound on July 23, 2018, 04:13:38 pm
A
Why do you guys want a problem child to come home?
I don't care about the drunk one way or another, but if there is a slight chance Saenn could lead us to his own children, we should take it.
Nobody in the royal family aside from us has been reproducing recently, and we need backup plans in case the worst happens to our own children.
Post by: crazyabe on July 23, 2018, 04:17:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 23, 2018, 06:15:12 pm
Post by: Qassius on July 23, 2018, 07:02:27 pm
Eh, I'm good with unruly royalty
Post by: Basil ii on July 23, 2018, 10:52:23 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 24, 2018, 12:31:28 am
Post by: Chiefwaffles on July 24, 2018, 01:01:30 am
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 02:13:49 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 02:14:49 am
I just realized there are two B options.now I can’t unsee it. Just for clarity sake I picked B 1 instead of b 2
Post by: Taricus on July 24, 2018, 02:51:37 am
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 03:53:02 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 04:05:23 am
So, I've just been looking at the difference from the earliest map to the current map, and I've realised that we're not the only one who's expanded massively recently. The kingdom of Eldrican have also grown a lot larger than they used to be, and the most interesting thing I've noticed is that, in a way, we're 'playing' tall and Eldrican is 'playing' wide. We own relatively little land, but make the maximum use of it and have one of the best armies in the area along with being somewhat well established diplomatically. Meanwhile Eldrican owns vast amount of land, but most of it is just desert and they have constantly asked for help in wars in the past. Maybe they've gotten better with their army more recently, but still. It's interesting to note that the greatest of the new powers both went different ways to get there.well I imagine eldrican to be like Russia in that way. most of it’s population is in a fertile flat land vulnerable to nomadic raids so they have to expand and go to war to protect themselves in the absence of natural mountains the sheer of eldrican size serves as their mountains.
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2018, 04:09:15 am
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 04:48:03 am
well I imagine eldrican to be like Russia in that way. most of it’s population is in a fertile flat land vulnerable to nomadic raids so they have to expand and go to war to protect themselves in the absence of natural mountains the sheer of eldrican size serves as their mountains.That actually makes a lot of sense, though Russia does actually have a few mountain ranges, mainly at it's eastern and southern borders.Wait a minute, Eldrican also has mountain ranges at it's eastern and southern ranges. Dear god, Eldrican was Russia all along! But yeah, that's probably why so many of our neighbours are big. They all follow that same general principle.
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 05:30:51 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2018, 10:31:40 am
So, I've just been looking at the difference from the earliest map to the current map, and I've realised that we're not the only one who's expanded massively recently. The kingdom of Eldrican have also grown a lot larger than they used to be, and the most interesting thing I've noticed is that, in a way, we're 'playing' tall and Eldrican is 'playing' wide. We own relatively little land, but make the maximum use of it and have one of the best armies in the area along with being somewhat well established diplomatically. Meanwhile Eldrican owns vast amount of land, but most of it is just desert and they have constantly asked for help in wars in the past. Maybe they've gotten better with their army more recently, but still. It's interesting to note that the greatest of the new powers both went different ways to get there.
It looks like the Eldricans doubled in size when they conquered the nomadic horse tribes, something we helped them do. Take out that area and we're relatively close in size, would even be bigger if you count in Cydwyl. But it's hard to tell how useful the horse steppes are to their kingdom, economically I have to assume they're mostly not that impressive, but the military might from being able to call upon the tribes might be huge. At their height they fought the Damadians (at the Damadians height) on mostly equal ground, which is terrifying, even if they are clearly now way way diminished from that point. If they've managed to fold horse tribals into their armies usefully Eldrican could very well be more militarily powerful then us for sure.
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2018, 11:13:25 am
The only deserts nearby are in northern and southern Parsia (the rest is badlands and rocky plateaus), the northern one large enough to have a name on the map v;
And tbh the more SPAMKINGDOM goes the more I consider Methiant to be Austria rather than Prussia ;v Mountainous, well trained troops, mineral riches, marries quite a lot too.
Anyways!
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You send a reply in which you ask for mercy on Saenn's behalf (if that's Saenn), and that you wish to have him brought for questioning to your palace.
1183 AD, Winter
Gemstones and silver and gold from the north arrives in the Treasury.
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As for the gold from Ceodwell, the shipment arrives with a report from the mines' overseer; apparently, they've barely managed to get the yearly quota fulfilled, such trace amounts of gold remained. The manager will be thusly closing the mine this winter.
You have become an aunt once more! That's because Irvalina, wife of Hein, gave birth to another of his sons. The proud mother named him 'Rubert', a masculine version of your name. You can't help but feel a bit touched by your cousin's choice.
More family matters come onto your shoulders; apparently Deathan has expressed his wish to marry! It would be all nice if not the controversial choice of his bride; its Aurelia, the daughter of a minor Damdamian diplomat from Republic, Manos Amanos, a staunch follower of the faith of Damed and strong believer in superiority of pluralism and republicanism over absolutism and monarchism.
A) He is free to marry whomever he wishes.
B) Stop! It's meddletime!! dooooo-doo-doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo!
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 11:17:03 am
She seems like too much of an issue to have our family married to, we do not need someone who supports rebublicanism and a staunch follower of Damed marrying into our house when we're going to have a diplomatic period after our integration of Cydywl.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2018, 11:23:42 am
A
I'm just happy someone had decided to try their hand at breeding instead of letting out the family lines that don't have direct family supervision die out.
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 11:28:11 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 24, 2018, 11:37:33 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2018, 11:45:08 am
A
It might provide a natural way of introducing a Bill of Rights down the line.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 24, 2018, 11:48:24 am
One, Ruberta is clearly a family woman and a romantic at heart, she's going to swoon over young love and probably embarrass the couple with too many hugs and kisses throughout the big day. Two, I don't mind letting ideological conflicts between north and south become a plot driver; I think the fears over upsetting the Cydwyl Plan are overdramatized. Making connections to the south for the next generation is simply prudent.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 24, 2018, 11:53:06 am
Also, daww. We've started a trend!
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 24, 2018, 12:10:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 24, 2018, 12:39:11 pm
Only because we need back up heirs. I have a bad feeling about this though.
I can kind of tolerate Manos Amanos' Damdamian faith, but I will not have people so high up the line of succession tainted with talk of plauralism. Ideally we confront the diplomat at the wedding, and get his vow to not cause us trouble by pushing his politics on his son-in-law and grandkids.
Failing that, we could also explain the situation to our husband, and ask Cyl to find Deathan a place in his court, moving him to Cydwyl and putting him out of reach of his father-in-law's meddling.
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 12:47:27 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 24, 2018, 12:59:24 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 24, 2018, 12:59:34 pm
There were several times we had non controversial marriages. When we arranged them ourselves.
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2018, 01:03:35 pm
1183 AD, Midwinter
The guards come a-knockin'; it seems that some Ysirene soldiers have arrived at the palace, with certain Saenn of Methiant in chains.
He is brought before you, and it is barely the Saenn you remember; he was a drunk, but he dressed nicely and kept himself clean-shaven. This here is bearded, unshaven, has a terrible gash on his face and the nose has been broken at least few times.
"He tried to escape twice, and because he was in Ysirene custody till we arrived here, we used our punishments against him." The commander of the soldiers says and his companions push him to the knees.
"Lady Empress of Methiant herself granted you her mercy. The Duke will forget and forgive that this man hurt his boy, especially that the boy's gash healed nicely; the Duke has no ill will against you. We have made our delivery, Lady Empress, and thus we shall depart." The Ysirene soldiers, the red lion on their chests and signs of Damed on their necks, bow deeply and march out in line.
Saenn gives you nothing but a stern gaze of dislike, if not hatred.
You decide to...
A) Demand an explanation for his behavior.
B) Remove him from the royal family, and let him free as a peasant.
C) Execute him for bringing shame to house of Yoe.
D) Dungeon him so he suffers in the last days of his life.
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 01:05:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 24, 2018, 01:06:16 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 01:11:05 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 24, 2018, 01:11:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 24, 2018, 01:11:49 pm
Let us hear him out. Try to calm his nerves.
Tell him the truth: The reason we are being merciful is that we want his children at our court (or Cyl's) and in the line of succession, for we have but one son, and thus could use all the possible backup heirs we can get.
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2018, 01:20:25 pm
"Explanation? You need no explanatin'! Its the murderous tendency of all Yoean rulers so far that made me flee! Be the King, sure! Be the King's heir, sure! Be anyone else in royal family, ohhh boy you're now in the killer's sights! What happened to my dear brothers? Tywynn, sliced apart! Leath, eat'n by birdmen! Eivan, oh now that one got stabbed by your personally didn't he! This ain't all a coincidence, and I bet Cyl helped it happen with his 'wise' choices in his career! I spoke with Ustwelf once about this, when he decided to wisely leave for monastery! I thought he was paranoid, but few years later, I've noticed the trend! I ain't stupid you know! I understood my tendency to hit the bottle would make me an easy and convenient target to remove, so I fled too! And look - all but Ustwelf died violently, and only I remain alive! But now you got me, oh the 'Good' Empress! What now! You're going to execute me too? Feel free to do so, my kids are running around with my blood in their veins and I dearly hope that by some Pantheonic twist of fate they will lead a successful rebellion against your spawn one day!" The courtiers groan and call for Saenn's execution, as the man in question spits on the floor in front of your throne.
You decide to...
A) Send him to the torture chambers.
B) Grant his wish and execute him.
C) Dungeon him so he suffers for his crimes.
D) Let him go free, but as a peasant, not royalty.
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 01:22:53 pm
D
That is some extreme paranoia right there.
Anyway, killing him, torturing him or imprisoning him would just prove him right, and he can't really do much as a drunken peasant, no one would believe him if he said he was related to the royal family. Though I will be fine with changing my vote to something else if there's a tie between two other options.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 24, 2018, 01:25:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 24, 2018, 01:25:57 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 01:27:21 pm
Post by: Baffler on July 24, 2018, 01:31:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 24, 2018, 01:31:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 24, 2018, 01:32:46 pm
You think people will believe him? Besides, our happiness and authority are both at max. Any rebellion would not be that powerful in size, and our own population might even try to stop him. Also, there is no way a man that paranoid is going to just calm down because of a charisma roll.
We have a magicical artifact. I'd say it is worth a shot.
If we don't have that option though, I'd vote C. If we let him run free, he may well humiliate us again. I'd prefer detaining him in a nice apartment with servants and a supply of booze than throwing him in the actual dungeon though. He is a moron, but I can't find it in me to be mean to the last surviving son of Cyl.
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 01:34:10 pm
Post by: omada on July 24, 2018, 01:38:17 pm
or maybe just a sum of money hidden somewhere being paid and then they go to gutba or far away
Post by: Prophet on July 24, 2018, 01:40:09 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 01:41:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 24, 2018, 01:48:03 pm
This is honestly deranged to the point of mental illness. I wish we had a better option for him.
...
You know...
He is angry but didn't strike me as especially strong willed. We could probably get the location of his children out of him. Probably don't even need regular torture, just hold him without alcohol until he complies. Besides, if we want to bring his kids here, killing him is probably a bad way to start our relations.
C
A very nice dungeon with no alcohol though. We will see if he talks eventually.
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 01:49:27 pm
Post by: Imic on July 24, 2018, 01:51:26 pm
Just... Get out. And don't come back.
Post by: Atian the Elephantman God on July 24, 2018, 01:52:35 pm
Post by: omada on July 24, 2018, 01:55:13 pm
The coronation staff was called THE ANCIENT WAND by the dwarves
We need to know what it does
maybe hire the dwarves later to answer this?
Post by: Prophet on July 24, 2018, 01:59:41 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 02:06:56 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 02:10:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 24, 2018, 02:16:47 pm
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That would be a controversial decision, but your happy court and loyal courtiers do not object your judgement for even a second.
1183 AD, Late Winter
The court is aghast at the magnitude of the theft that has occured tonight!
A thief or some thieves not only evaded the guards, the Shadowranks, and the multitude of servants, but somehow managed to steal three items from three different locations in the Palace!
The Scepther of Weather was stolen from its fortified vault in the basements, the Coronation Staff was stolen from the golden Chest of Crown Jewels in the heart of the keep, the Bracelet of Charisma was stolen from your own jewellery box hidden in the locked wardrobe inside your bedroom in the higher floors!
Whatever demon or magician did this, and how they did this, baffles the minds of your greatest thinkers. Spymaster's agents are already working on the case, but obviously a thiefmaster of this magnitude (if its only one) will not be captured this easily.
A) Adventurers! Get me some lvl50+ adventurers at once, no matter how high the price!!
B) Get the Army involved, we will beat them with sheer numbers of detectives working on the case!!
C) Consult the oracles and seers of Pantheon! Scry for the thief's location! Ask the God of Truth!!
D) The Flying Horse, it can do wonders, it can find my thief! Spot it from the skies with its lazor stare or something!!
E) Could the Dwarves divine the Scepter's location? They do instal GPS into their artifacts, right!?
F) Wizard! Wizard! Where's a supernatural detective when you need one!?
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2018, 02:18:17 pm
I vote A though.
This is a pretty big deal.
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 02:18:40 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 02:20:51 pm
A
Adventurers, don't fail us now.
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 24, 2018, 02:21:04 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 24, 2018, 02:21:56 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 24, 2018, 02:22:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 24, 2018, 02:26:31 pm
If we have to pay money to investigate this, I trust the dwarves more than I do a band of random adventurers.
Post by: Criptfeind on July 24, 2018, 02:27:28 pm
Post by: omada on July 24, 2018, 02:28:35 pm
multiple options? I would be willing to spend ALOT of resources for this
god damn
it's what 20 wealth in artifacts lost?
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 02:33:20 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 02:33:40 pm
EProbably more then that, considering they knew EXACTLY what to take to destabilize our country the most- An artifact that gives them a boost to talking their way out, The Coronation staff we don't know the use of IC but likely makes them more "Acceptable" as a replacement for us, and the Staff of weather- which with all the magic flying around Methiant is VERY needed, especially since we KNOW that magic makes the environment less stable and survivable.
multiple options? I would be willing to spend ALOT of resources for this
god damn
it's what 20 wealth in artifacts lost?
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 02:43:23 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 24, 2018, 02:44:38 pm
and multiple options would definitely be nice
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 02:47:19 pm
Crap, this isn't just some thief, this is probably someone from another country intentionally trying to destabilize us. They must of found out we're planning on integrating with Cydywl and are looking to stop us from becoming too big of a threat. Not good. It's probably Eldrican, Rucus, Lamentia or one of the Damdamian countries, they all have the most to lose if we grow too powerful. Then again, that's the majority of the countries next to us which is not good. It might be a good idea to lengthen the diplomacy period after integration, assuming they don't declare war on us first of course. It could also be the Parsians, but I doubt they have enough money or power to be able to pull this off. Hell, Eldrican is right next to the elven forest, what if they convinced them to use their fancy cloaks to try and rob us? One thing is for certain though: Someone is out to get us.who ever it was had a) good knowledge of our vault b) rich and powerful enough too hire skilled thieves. God damn.[ let’s look at our assets a 10 army and a lazor horse.]
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 02:50:54 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 02:53:37 pm
What if it was a joint effort? We know the countries to our south and west have been doing very well diplomatically, it might very well be the case that some of them collaborated on this, especially the southern countries that are still keeping to that truce they made a while ago.we might shatter their international prestige if they get found out. Nobody would trust them anymore.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2018, 03:04:42 pm
I don't trust the dwarves to not have done this either, Criptfiend, but I do trust them to admit it if paid enough. Hell, if paid enough, they'd admit it even if they didn't.
Post by: Rockeater on July 24, 2018, 03:06:18 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 24, 2018, 03:06:42 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 24, 2018, 03:10:46 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 24, 2018, 03:13:22 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 24, 2018, 03:42:10 pm
Post by: Baffler on July 24, 2018, 03:46:36 pm
inb4 the Dwarves are the ones who took them.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 24, 2018, 03:51:12 pm
Let's go with A, keep the adventuring spirit alive and I suppose they could do B-F themselves eventually.
Edit to bold my choice
Post by: ZBridges on July 24, 2018, 04:08:57 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 25, 2018, 07:51:28 am
If that's not allowed, A
Post by: Chiefwaffles on July 25, 2018, 08:44:25 am
But this is a matter of intrigue and adventure. Some organized political entity clearly targeted us. Not some self-destruction, or some random thief. It's its own questline. We clearly need A adventurers for a
Post by: Basil ii on July 25, 2018, 10:39:53 am
I mean, considering the dwarves put remote-detonation switches in their artifacts I would not be surprised if they put in magic-GPS as well.[puts on tinfoil hat]wait a minute remember those damedian pilgrims maybe the church was a coverup recruiting center for the most fanatical and skilled of damed worshipers.
But this is a matter of intrigue and adventure. Some organized political entity clearly targeted us. Not some self-destruction, or some random thief. It's its own questline. We clearly need A adventurers for acampaignevent of this magnitude.
Post by: Haspen on July 27, 2018, 04:03:03 pm
eeeeeeee
You decide to hire some elite level adventurers to solve the case!
But somewhere in your heart you have this nagging feeling that it might not be enough!
A) Get the Army involved, we will beat them with sheer numbers of detectives working on the case!!
B) Could the Dwarves divine the Scepter's location? They do instal GPS into their artifacts, right!?
C) The Flying Horse, it can do wonders, it can find my thief! Spot it from the skies with its lazor stare or something!!
D) Consult the oracles and seers of Pantheon! Scry for the thief's location! Ask the God of Truth!!
E) Wizard! Wizard! Where's a supernatural detective when you need one!?
F) Of course it will be enough, silly!
Post by: Criptfeind on July 27, 2018, 04:10:59 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 27, 2018, 04:11:58 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 27, 2018, 04:19:47 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 27, 2018, 04:20:07 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 27, 2018, 04:31:01 pm
Having a large amount of people supporting the work of specialists should create some synergy.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 27, 2018, 05:00:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 27, 2018, 05:11:28 pm
(Although I very nearly voted C. We were told the Flying Horse incinerates our "enemies," yes? Let it go and see who it blasts. Bingo.)
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 27, 2018, 05:31:07 pm
Give our adventurers some kind of tracker and they can complete any kind of fetch quest!
Post by: crazyabe on July 27, 2018, 06:51:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 27, 2018, 09:17:27 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 28, 2018, 12:05:20 am
Post by: TankKit on July 28, 2018, 02:23:24 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 28, 2018, 11:21:17 am
Post by: Haspen on July 28, 2018, 01:56:08 pm
A week or so later, a delegation of dwarves arrives from Zasitost, the closest of the dwarven halls. The bearded dignitary bows his bearded head, his square hat dangling its frills.
"We have heard about your troubles. In exchange for some silver - we hope you didn't think we would help you for free - our runesmiths will be able to discern an approximate location of the Scepter of Weather."
A) "Here is your coinage, now give me information!"
B) "Can we negotiate for the payment, please?"
C) "Greedy midgets! Begone from my court!"
Post by: Basil ii on July 28, 2018, 02:00:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on July 28, 2018, 02:04:53 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 28, 2018, 02:15:25 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2018, 02:38:25 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 28, 2018, 02:39:47 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 28, 2018, 02:58:29 pm
inb4 this leads to a war with someone
Post by: Basil ii on July 28, 2018, 03:09:23 pm
Aof course but is that gonna stop us.
inb4 this leads to a war with someone
Post by: crazyabe on July 28, 2018, 03:21:27 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 28, 2018, 08:22:29 pm
Post by: omada on July 28, 2018, 08:57:14 pm
A
Post by: ZBridges on July 28, 2018, 09:49:53 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 28, 2018, 10:51:58 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 29, 2018, 05:54:43 am
The thieves will certainly be executed in the cruelest way we can imagine.
Post by: Basil ii on July 29, 2018, 07:50:02 am
A.oh so you want the most torturous execution possible here is an example. the convicted person would be placed in a wooden tub with only their head sticking out after that the executioner would paint their faces with milk and honey and soon flies would begin to feed on them the victim would be fed regularly and would end up swimming in their own shit and piss after a few days maggots and worms would begin to devour the body as they decayed alive.
The thieves will certainly be executed in the cruelest way we can imagine.
Post by: auzewasright on July 29, 2018, 09:41:33 am
Anyways, A.
Post by: Haspen on July 29, 2018, 11:34:09 am
Just finished reading the entire thing from 1 to 3. Took me 4 or 5 days but I had the time.
This is the level of dedication we should all aspire to, people ;v
You give the dwarves some money so that their runesmiths begin cooperating with your Spymaster and the hired adventurers.
1183 AD, End of the Year
You pace around your chambers, while Doge stares at you from his chair in confusion and slight fear. The door is knocked upon by someone, and moments later, the Advisor enters the-
"Have the artifacts been found??" The Advisor blinks when you question him.
"Err, no, Lady Empress. Actually I'm here for the usual like every year before." You sigh and sit behind your desk. Might as well try and get your mind off this theft with help of Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
Happiness: 7
Population: 6
Economy: 5
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: +2
"Despite the thievery, the country is doing all right. Edict time, Lady Empress?"
A) "Sure."
B) "Nope."
The Advisor also procures and shows you the map of Methiant, but after few glances you can easily see there's no difference compared to previous year.
Post by: Basil ii on July 29, 2018, 11:45:19 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 29, 2018, 11:48:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 29, 2018, 11:49:19 am
Post by: Haspen on July 29, 2018, 11:58:54 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Adopt a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1167 AD: Established Imperial Trade Commission:
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
Post by: Basil ii on July 29, 2018, 12:07:26 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 29, 2018, 12:29:26 pm
Might as well, we're going to do it eventually.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 29, 2018, 12:40:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on July 29, 2018, 12:45:12 pm
Calendar of Festivities
+1
10 army is good for the coming artifact war
Post by: birdy51 on July 29, 2018, 12:48:29 pm
Calendar of Festivities+1
Post by: TankKit on July 29, 2018, 12:56:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 29, 2018, 01:23:15 pm
We are slowly losing mines/income, and do bot have a happiness issue.
Post by: Prophet on July 29, 2018, 02:27:41 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 29, 2018, 03:16:01 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 29, 2018, 03:21:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 29, 2018, 03:24:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 29, 2018, 03:33:33 pm
You decide against Edict yet again.
1184 AD, Spring
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Neither the spies, nor adventurers, nor the dwarves had any luck in locating the thief (or thieves). This baffles Dwarves especially, who believe that either Elves or a powerful magician is at work here (with personal bet on the former, they say).
1184 AD, Few mornings later (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49OBIeZmm8)
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You wake up to a very lovely morning sun peeking through the curtains hanging at the window.
Strangely, your nose seems to be clogged, for you cannot smell anything. Uh! You must've spent too much time on fresh air last night, it was pretty cold after all.
Here is Twygga, your bedchamber maid! You say hello to her, but she seems strangely unresponsive. Is she mad at you? You wonder why. Is it because you advised her to break up with that boyfriend of hers working in the royal stables?
The sun shining through the window strangely doesn't bother you when Twygga pulls the curtains aside and opens the window to let some fresh air into the room. You ask her what's wrong and why is she upset with you, but she instead makes her way to your bed... where you're still laying under the covers!?
Your legs give way underneath your weight. How is this possible!? You're here, sitting, in the middle of the room. But there's also you, sleeping peacefully under the lovely, warm covers!
That's when you notice that the light outside the window has grown larger. It is shining right onto you, almost flooding everything in light, obscuring Twygga, and your bed (and body), and dissolving the shadows of the room with obscene brightness. Is the Sun, now shining brightly white, trying to engulf you?
You decide to...
A) Muster up courage and reach toward the light.
B) Hide in the darkest corner of your bedroom.
...Still.
No matter your decision, Twygga will soon notice what happened to you, and will raise an alarm.
The tragic news will quickly spread around the palace, before spilling outside.
And finally, few days from now, the court doctors that will perform your autopsy will find a tumor that was growing behind your left breast, exercising pressure on your heart and ultimately leading to your untimely death.
Post by: Baffler on July 29, 2018, 03:37:40 pm
A.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 29, 2018, 03:38:34 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 29, 2018, 03:39:17 pm
A
I wonder if the sorceress magic gave us cancer. Or maybe just bad luck.
Post by: auzewasright on July 29, 2018, 03:43:22 pm
Calendar of Festivities+1 between 3 major religions and innumerable minor ones, not to mention a dozen cultures and the Hearthlings, we should probably straighten out which ones are national holidays. We should also convert to singularism once Doge takes over both nations and forms a united Lauthbasian empire.
Edit: Darn,
A
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 29, 2018, 03:44:03 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 29, 2018, 03:47:07 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 29, 2018, 03:50:43 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 29, 2018, 03:52:10 pm
Crap. This might screw integrating Cydwyl up a bit. Oh well.
Post by: helmacon on July 29, 2018, 03:54:37 pm
Also, more options please?
Post by: helmacon on July 29, 2018, 03:55:43 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 29, 2018, 03:56:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 29, 2018, 04:31:38 pm
Post by: auzewasright on July 29, 2018, 04:35:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 29, 2018, 04:56:01 pm
1193 AD
You're Doge, son of Cyl (the one from Cydwyl)!
You're fifteen, and are about to ascend to the throne of Empire of Methiant!
The death of your mother from cancerous tumor sent the Empire into lenghty period of mourning. But her death also had diplomatic repercussions; the Statesmen and Regency Council of Methiant warred (diplomatically of course) against the Court of Cydwyl. Only by your father's interventions and reconcilliatory approach to disputes, both friendship and inheritance deals were kept intact. And fortunately for everyone involved, your aging father is still of good health and good mind, ruling over Kingdom of Cydwyl. Its crown will be placed upon your head when he dies.
The three artifacts - The Coronation Staff, Bracelet of Charisma, and Scepter of Weather - were never recovered. This sparked another crisis, this time involving Dwarves, who were blamed, first for failture of recovery, then for the theft itself. Fortunately, all enmity was waived when the Regency saved up some money and commissioned another Scepter of Weather from dwarves of Uristhab just one and half year ago.
A catastrophe struck in years 1187-1189 AD; plague swept into Empire of Methiant and Kingdom of Eldrican, brought most probably by nomadic tribes of northern Eldrican. The plague depleted the nomadic tribes and decimated population of both Eldrican and Methiant. Kingdom of Eldrican lost three consecutive Kings in span of half a year; currently, it is ruled by Regency council, which is keeping watch over the young Tetan IV, born shortly after death of your mother. On Methiant side, you lost several of your relatives.
But the dynasty is growing; your uncle, Deathan, already has a heir, the little Duach. Uncle Hein wasn't slacking off either and got another daughter, too!
In matters of religion, the obvious happened; in year 1191, with help of the Council's nagging and Cydwylian (or rather, your father's) support, the Pantheonism was finally recognized and made the state religion of Empire of Methiant. Singularists and Alldivinists maintain a weak hold on southwest and southeast provinces respectively, but the 110+ gods of Pantheon receive most of prayers of Methiantese subjects nowadays.
From other legislative news; deterioration of relation with Cydwyl and trade abroad has made the Regency revoked the edict that kept Trade Commission around, in 1186 AD. Methiantese neighbours opened up to its wares, and so, in 1188 AD, luxurious furs and skins procured by Albionese hunters land on the backs of your noblemen in exchange for localy mined gemstones of high quality.
One special note must be made about Gubta, or as it is now called, Sim Empire; its revolutionary emperor, Mahjar Sim, has refurbished the administration and quelled all revolts and opposition to his enlightened rule. Sim Empire was proclaimed with its four borderland Mahjoos, or autonomous kingdoms (vassals basically). He then waged war against the Ysirene, who called Damedia for help; but the Damdamians were utterly crushed by Mahjar Sim's Oliphaunts as well as mercenary armies and loyal soldiers dragging Fireblood machinery behind them. In 1190, a costly peace treaty saw all territories that Ysirene once taken brought back under Simese rule, and the tribute money is still filling up Mahjar Sim's Treasury.
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The economy of Methiant was doing great so far, although the loss of gold mines had forced the Council to put some brakes on spending. Little was built, made or bought during the times of you growing up, except aforementioned Scepter of Weather. People also felt less inclined to both procreate and settle in Methiant, and currently the population of the Empire is even less of what it was before the plague.
What good news there are for you?
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2, 6; 1, 4, 5
For one, you're considered some sort of a genius, especially of martial skill, and people have noticed your extremely good health and the fact that luck seems to shine upon you.
Any faults? Well, what can you say... it is might be that you're too eager to partake in bodily pleasures. When you first tasted the fruit of sex last year, with that lovely bedchamber maid, you couldn't help but to crave more. Maidgirls, noble maidens, servant girls; and you even braved the unknown and slept around with few stable boys and young squires. Courtiers are more or less openly labeling you a hedonist, but hey; life is supposed to be fun, and sex is fun, therefore life = sex, right?
Of course you're right, you're Emperor of Methiant!
You don't hesitate for long about your regnal name. Since before the Plague, some kinds made fun of you and made 'woof woof' noises behind your back. What made your mother bestow upon you a name so closely resembling canines, you don't know. But you hate your name.
You quickly sign the document of ascension as Yoe IV.
Long Live Yoe IV, Emperor of Methiant, King of Felonsein and Ceodwell, Overlord of Donuth, Eval and Tiftit!
And here is the old chap, the Advisor, himself! And in his hands, the Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
Happiness: 7
Population: 4
Economy: 4
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: 0
Those are quite good, and the Advisor assures you that with Statesmen and the Crown of Heavens on your head, the authority will soon recover.
1193 AD, Spring
"Inflation?" You furrow your brows. The Advisor shakes his head, The Treasurer sighs, the Trade Advisor glares at them both.
"We have been minting too much coin in recent decades. There has been so many coins lately that I saw beggars discarding dirty ones into the moat." Nobody believes the Treasurer, but as you glance on the ledger, seeing that fine meal price go up by an eighth in span of five years... yep, inflation is here.
Inflation appears in Empire of Methiant! It currently has a factor of 1/8, meaning that for each 8 points of 'End of the Year' expenses, another 1 point of expenses is generated.
Currently, inflation amounts to -1 Economy per year.
"So what are our options?"
"Well," The Trade Advisor begins. "We ought to accept the inflation as a thing. If we moderate our expenses and find a way to disperse the gold and silver we have, our economy will surely improve."
"We ought to strike at this menace before it becomes an uncontrollable calamity." Says the Treasurer. "We need to re-evaluate our currency and replace the old coins with new ones, using a strict exchange rate." The Advisor shakes his head.
"We simply can't! Such a move will upset everyone in the Empire; from merchants, to taxpayers, to noblemen and administrators."
You decide to...
A) Just accept the existence of inflation in Methiant.
B) Fight inflation by the way of currency reevaluation scheme.
C) -
//It's getting late so first post will be updated tomorrow, sorry!
Post by: ZBridges on July 29, 2018, 05:04:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 29, 2018, 05:05:32 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 29, 2018, 05:08:11 pm
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Post by: Hotfire90 on July 29, 2018, 05:11:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 29, 2018, 05:24:15 pm
Edit: Also also just noticed that Pantheonism is the state religion. Huzzah! May the light of Luathbasian Pantheonism safeguard us from the evils of Damed worship forever.
Post by: auzewasright on July 29, 2018, 05:38:40 pm
B *Prophet sees the words Genius, Martial, Health, and Luck*... I've never been happier about a good rulers death before. Also I'd like to point out that we're the son of Cyl of Cydwyl not Bjern. :P [Our father the King of Cydwyl is named Cyl after his great grandfather/grandfather Cyl the Great of Methiant right? I was pretty sure he was?]May pantheonism die out and be replaced by that of the one.
Edit: Also also just noticed that Pantheonism is the state religion. Huzzah! May the light of Luathbasian Pantheonism safeguard us from the evils of Damed worship forever.
B
Post by: crazyabe on July 29, 2018, 05:43:48 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 29, 2018, 06:00:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 29, 2018, 06:41:33 pm
Also, hedonism! I suggest that we make manyextra livesheirs with this one!
Lets not start acknowledging bastards until we have a wife and a legit heir or two. We might skeeve out Cydwyl and mess up the unification if we make some half-commoner first in line to the throne.
Also, we should probably break tradition and marry some local highborn instead of a foreign princess. That way when we jeopardize our marriage we will not be messing up regional geopolitics.
Anyway, B.
Post by: helmacon on July 29, 2018, 06:57:42 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on July 29, 2018, 07:00:01 pm
Edit: Also also just noticed that Pantheonism is the state religion. Huzzah! May the light of Luathbasian Pantheonism safeguard us from the evils of Damed worship forever.
I mean, it's not. There was the option to make it one and instead people voted no edict.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 29, 2018, 07:01:20 pm
Edit: Also also just noticed that Pantheonism is the state religion. Huzzah! May the light of Luathbasian Pantheonism safeguard us from the evils of Damed worship forever.
I mean, it's not. There was the option to make it one and instead people voted no edict.
There was a time skip while Doge was coming of age, and the NPCs passed it while we were not in control.
Post by: Twinwolf on July 29, 2018, 07:04:35 pm
...Should probably actually vote. B.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 29, 2018, 08:55:25 pm
Post by: omada on July 29, 2018, 11:26:00 pm
Bah B Let's use the chance to make sure that our coins weigh exactly the same as others and make it a trustworthy coins to the merchants, if possible
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 12:46:24 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 30, 2018, 12:49:08 am
The solution is more trade.
Post by: TankKit on July 30, 2018, 02:17:59 am
Okay, I am happy that integrating Cydwyl is still going okay.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 08:49:09 am
Post by: helmacon on July 30, 2018, 09:16:28 am
Wait a minute so the eldricans are weak. welp time to manifest destiny the shit out of those guys. Oh wait damedian empire is still stable and unaffected by the great plague oh well.
didn't they get wrecked in a proxy war with gubta?
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 09:21:23 am
i admit they are weaker but they are still above our weight class.Wait a minute so the eldricans are weak. welp time to manifest destiny the shit out of those guys. Oh wait damedian empire is still stable and unaffected by the great plague oh well.
didn't they get wrecked in a proxy war with gubta?
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 09:22:17 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 09:26:47 am
That was Damedia, both the damdamian empire and republic didn't get involved in the war.so both of our greatest foes are still superpowers while we are weak this is reeeeeeally bad. But the reformed Gupta empire must scare them both more than we do so maybe this is a blessing in disguise.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 09:33:58 am
They aren't foes, they're not hostile towards Methiant, also we aren't weak at all, we have 10 army, a martial genius and several military aiding artifacts. Militarily speaking we're the strongest we've ever been. It's unlikely that both the empire and the republic would intervene should we invade Eldrican as they're not allied to them.That was Damedia, both the damdamian empire and republic didn't get involved in the war.so both of our biggest foes are still superpowers while we are weak this is reeeeeealy bad.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 09:36:12 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 09:39:13 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 09:43:10 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 30, 2018, 09:48:12 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 09:51:40 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 10:11:21 am
True but just in case we should be prepared. I think we should also try and diplomatically take them over.
I don't think Eldrican is going to be an issue anytime soon. They got slammed by the same plague as we did, and lost their king. They are currently being ruled by a council serving an underage King...
But that does give me an idea for a diplomatic takeover:
We should offer that young King our sister Cylia as a wife. Cylia has a large amount of Eldrican blood (Both her mother Ruberta, and distant parental ancestor Empress Esta were Eldrican nobles), is old and wise enough to rule until her husband comes of age, and such a union would secure peace between the two nations.
If we do that, both of our sisters will be wedded to eventual Kings. If that happens, I'd feel comfortable having Yoe IV refuse the shackles of marriage, have no legitimate children, and eventually absorbing Eldrican or Helliste by naming a Nephew who is already first in line to inherit a foreign throne as his own heir.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 10:21:58 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 10:30:56 am
Since Siri is only a few years younger than Doge, who just came of age himself, that wedding should only be a few years away now.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 10:45:17 am
Post by: Haspen on July 30, 2018, 11:01:31 am
Post by: Prophet on July 30, 2018, 11:14:09 am
Post by: Haspen on July 30, 2018, 11:18:48 am
In Yoe IV's entry you have Charismatic instead of Martial and Hedonist isn't listed as one of his traits.
You get a cookie and a headpat v;
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 11:19:56 am
In Yoe IV's entry you have Charismatic instead of Martial and Hedonist isn't listed as one of his traits.it is not showing up for me how strange is there somebody else who experiences this problem?.
Post by: TankKit on July 30, 2018, 11:43:09 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 11:48:55 am
Yeah, I'm also starting to think a more diplomatic approach to taking over Eldrican may be a good idea.let others wage war thou happy methiant marry. the womb is mightier than the sword!.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 12:00:43 pm
"He will be a boy, Lady Empress. He will become a skilled warrior and renowned general, and he will leave behind many children, and he will have a long life." He speaks with confidence and conviction.
He more or less correctly predicted that we will be Martial, Healthy, and a Hedonist.
Guys, I don't think this character can die young. We should totally take every risk with his life.
Post by: Taricus on July 30, 2018, 12:02:39 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 12:09:02 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 12:20:39 pm
It'd be both wiser and easier to invade and annex them.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 12:23:34 pm
Taking over Eldrican through diplomacy will be way harder, unlike Cydwyl, we don't have a century old friendship and alliance with them, they also didn't keep their promise of repaying us 20 years of silver and even tried to assassinate Cyl I and they later succeeded in assassinating his wife.this however is far more likely to actually happen we need all the resources we can get our grubby little hands on.
It'd be both wiser and easier to invade and annex them.
Post by: TankKit on July 30, 2018, 12:25:14 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 12:28:31 pm
Considering our hundred year friendship with Cydwyl started with a war between us, I'm sure we'll be fine.true but do we have the time to actually annex them I mean it took about one hundred years to get where we are right now and the next one hundred years looks to be filled to the brim with!!CLOWNS!!
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 12:44:10 pm
We don't really have anyone else to target anyway, up north are our allies and trading partners, in the east is Parsia which is under our influence and Sim, south is Rucus and the rest of the Damedians. Expanding west is the only worthwhile option.
Post by: birdy51 on July 30, 2018, 12:45:16 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 12:47:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 30, 2018, 12:52:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 12:52:16 pm
Considering our hundred year friendship with Cydwyl started with a war between us, I'm sure we'll be fine.true but do we have the time to actually annex them I mean it took about one hundred years to get where we are right now and the next one hundred years looks to be filled to the brim with!!CLOWNS!!
Actually, I think there are ways for us to subvert the Clown prophecy. I recall the dream specifically referred to the Capital and Our Wife. I say we try to fuck with things by moving the capital North when we inherit our father's crown, and trying to put a widower, woman, or gay man on the throne when the prophizised year approaches.
Taking over Eldrican through diplomacy will be way harder, unlike Cydwyl, we don't have a century old friendship and alliance with them, they also didn't keep their promise of repaying us 20 years of silver and even tried to assassinate Cyl I and they later succeeded in assassinating his wife.
It'd be both wiser and easier to invade and annex them.
I don't think it was ever proven that they were the ones to kill Cyl's wife (who was herself an Eldrican Royal).
Also, if we want to invade/anex them, I think we should get a few more allies first. In the lore questions thread, Haspen once said that the Ruccus/Eldrican alliance is confident that they can defeat a Methiant/Cydwyl alliance through raw numbers. There is also the fact that all the Damdamian nations see each other as brothers and friends, so if war starts going poorly for Rucus/Eldrican, some of their neighbors might get involved on their behalf.
I say we should look North to expand. Try to forge an alliance with Helliste at our sister's wedding to their prince in a few years, inherit Cydwyl once our father dies or retires, and then take Albion and Rossama by force.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 01:09:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 01:10:20 pm
I think we can defeat both Rucus and Eldrican without too much trouble, we got a powerful army, a martial genius and our artifacts. The martial bonus along with our elite soldiers adds +3 to our rolls, if we're lucky our luck activates and we get an additional +1, then there's also the bronze flabearer which should also provides bonuses to our rolls, should we keep the lazerhorse we'll also have that to aid us in the war. Now the plague seems to have depleted the nomadic tribes in Eldrican which probably weakened them militarily, I do think we have a good chance of winning the war.
I'm alright with the idea of attacking Albion once we inherit Cydwyl, but I think invading Rosmana would be a bad idea. It took the entire coalition of Methiant, Cydwyl and the others as well as excellent rolls to beat the Rosmanans to a stalemate.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 01:13:22 pm
Post by: omada on July 30, 2018, 01:20:00 pm
We could later do a "holy crusade" against damdamians together with gutba in case they don't accept our fine trade deals, but first their peace treaty with
It would be hilarious if we make sure that one of the obligations of the victory is making our neighbor accept the "religious equality" law, when we have a state religion
to the eldrican we are "liberating" people from damdamian opression the first time it shows
I don't want to screw trade deals so for now hostility with the albionese would be a dick move and without a casus belli it will make our neighboors nervous, the last thing we want is a united coalization screwing us from all sides
And attacking the rosamana would make us break the treaty, and it can bring some dire consequences... of course
when she dies and there is another instability in the agaresians we could attack
We can "hide" his hedonism getting a title on the church maybe, be the emperor-priest devout to the god of love or pleasure, maybe we can press our point inside the church to make us the archpriest and change the rules of the religion from the inside.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 01:26:03 pm
Our spymaster concluded that they were responsible for both assassination attempts, we later then presented the evidence to an Eldrican envoy and gave him a copy of it, and never got a response.wait a minute isn’t lamatia in the way of rucus we would have to invade two countries in your plan. I think lamatia has a martial king though he might have died.
I think we can defeat both Rucus and Eldrican without too much trouble, we got a powerful army, a martial genius and our artifacts. The martial bonus along with our elite soldiers adds +3 to our rolls, if we're lucky our luck activates and we get an additional +1, then there's also the bronze flabearer which should also provides bonuses to our rolls, should we keep the lazerhorse we'll also have that to aid us in the war. Now the plague seems to have depleted the nomadic tribes in Eldrican which probably weakened them militarily, I do think we have a good chance of winning the war.
I'm alright with the idea of attacking Albion once we inherit Cydwyl, but I think invading Rosmana would be a bad idea. It took the entire coalition of Methiant, Cydwyl and the others as well as excellent rolls to beat the Rosmanans to a stalemate.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 01:28:48 pm
Our spymaster concluded that they were responsible for both assassination attempts, we later then presented the evidence to an Eldrican envoy and gave him a copy of it, and never got a response.
I think we can defeat both Rucus and Eldrican without too much trouble, we got a powerful army, a martial genius and our artifacts. The martial bonus along with our elite soldiers adds +3 to our rolls, if we're lucky our luck activates and we get an additional +1, then there's also the bronze flabearer which should also provides bonuses to our rolls, should we keep the lazerhorse we'll also have that to aid us in the war. Now the plague seems to have depleted the nomadic tribes in Eldrican which probably weakened them militarily, I do think we have a good chance of winning the war.
Many years might have passed, but Ruccus might still have that Martial leader who killed Houladin hanging around. I'm also very concerned that such a war could end with the Cult of the Dammed calling some sort of crusade against us, and Methiant having to fend off literally every Damdamian state that there is.
...That said, your points are good, and we are fated to live a long life and have many children, so what the hell, we may be able to win that war if we start it soon!
Still, I think Rossama is a better choice. I don't think any of the battles against them were actually rolled? Were they? Even if they were, as you said, we have a Martial/Lucky leader with a magic banner and possible laz0rhorse now. I also don't think the the alliance was actually that interested in a counter-attack/invasion. Also, we could probably talk the Sim Empire into helping out now that it has recovered from its instability.
The long and short of it is Rossama doesn't seem to have any friends, but Eldrican/Rucus do.
If we are going to wage war we should wait the oportunity to rise and we have a casus belli
...
We can "hide" his hedonism getting a title on the church maybe, be the emperor-priest devout to the god of love or pleasure, maybe we can press our point inside the church to make us the archpriest and change the rules of the religion from the inside.
These are both good points. We also know the nobles of Cydwyl have much more power than the nobles of Methiant. Once our father dies, we could name ourself head of the Pantheonist church, and launch a civil war to purge both the pesky northern nobles and any members of the clergy who disagree with us.
Our spymaster concluded that they were responsible for both assassination attempts, we later then presented the evidence to an Eldrican envoy and gave him a copy of it, and never got a response.wait a minute isn’t lamatia in the way of rucus we would have to invade two countries in your plan. I think lamatia has a martial king though he might have died.
I think we can defeat both Rucus and Eldrican without too much trouble, we got a powerful army, a martial genius and our artifacts. The martial bonus along with our elite soldiers adds +3 to our rolls, if we're lucky our luck activates and we get an additional +1, then there's also the bronze flabearer which should also provides bonuses to our rolls, should we keep the lazerhorse we'll also have that to aid us in the war. Now the plague seems to have depleted the nomadic tribes in Eldrican which probably weakened them militarily, I do think we have a good chance of winning the war.
I'm alright with the idea of attacking Albion once we inherit Cydwyl, but I think invading Rosmana would be a bad idea. It took the entire coalition of Methiant, Cydwyl and the others as well as excellent rolls to beat the Rosmanans to a stalemate.
That was Rucus. They had/have a Martial crown prince. He could either be dead or king by now.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 01:33:32 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 02:01:09 pm
I've checked and there were no rolls, except one in which we ambushed one of their armies who were heading into Cydwyl and slaughtered them and captured a few lizards and lizard eggs in the process. There's also the treaty at the end of the war that prohibits us from attacking them, while Methiant never agreed to that treaty, we're still bound by it.Our spymaster concluded that they were responsible for both assassination attempts, we later then presented the evidence to an Eldrican envoy and gave him a copy of it, and never got a response.
I think we can defeat both Rucus and Eldrican without too much trouble, we got a powerful army, a martial genius and our artifacts. The martial bonus along with our elite soldiers adds +3 to our rolls, if we're lucky our luck activates and we get an additional +1, then there's also the bronze flabearer which should also provides bonuses to our rolls, should we keep the lazerhorse we'll also have that to aid us in the war. Now the plague seems to have depleted the nomadic tribes in Eldrican which probably weakened them militarily, I do think we have a good chance of winning the war.
Many years might have passed, but Ruccus might still have that Martial leader who killed Houladin hanging around. I'm also very concerned that such a war could end with the Cult of the Dammed calling some sort of crusade against us, and Methiant having to fend off literally every Damdamian state that there is.
...That said, your points are good, and we are fated to live a long life and have many children, so what the hell, we may be able to win that war if we start it soon!
Still, I think Rossama is a better choice. I don't think any of the battles against them were actually rolled? Were they? Even if they were, as you said, we have a Martial/Lucky leader with a magic banner and possible laz0rhorse now. I also don't think the the alliance was actually that interested in a counter-attack/invasion. Also, we could probably talk the Sim Empire into helping out now that it has recovered from its instability.
The long and short of it is Rossama doesn't seem to have any friends, but Eldrican/Rucus do.
I wouldn't worry too much about a Damdamian crusade against Methiant, the Damdamians have become less united than they were before their Empire was fractured, Damedia contains the most zealous damedians and they've been recently defeated in the war against the Sim Empire. We should be fine, especially if we use our evidence if we still have it as our casus belli.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 02:13:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 02:14:50 pm
We share a border with Rucus through Eval.
I forget the exact reason, but last time we fought Rucus, there was some complication with the invasion plan and we decided it was better to invade through Lamentia than Eval. I think there might be a river at the Rucus/Eval border or something.
There's also the treaty at the end of the war that prohibits us from attacking them, while Methiant never agreed to that treaty, we're still bound by it.
I should ask about that in the Lore thread. Every peace treaty I've ever seen in Spamkingdom (although I've only read 3 and parts of 2 so I could be missing something) has had a time limit on it.
Also, I wouldn't feel too bad about violating a treaty that no Methianese leader ever signed.
I wouldn't worry too much about a Damdamian crusade against Methiant, the Damdamians have become less united than they were before their Empire was fractured, Damedia contains the most zealous damedians and they've been recently defeated in the war against the Sim Empire. We should be fine, especially if we use our evidence if we still have it as our casus belli.
You make a good point, but when Ruberta sent her cartographers to explore the Damdamian lands, they made a point to emphasize how strong the Damdamian sense of brotherhood was upon their return. Perhaps we wont face a full on crusade, but I wouldn't be shocked at all of a Damdamian nation or two decides to throw a wrench in our plans and side with Eldrican/Rucus.
So do you guys think that if a war broke out between us and eldrican and cydwyl came to our aid what would they want as war gains maybe just war reparations but I am not sure.
That wouldn't be an issue. Anything we give them, we would just get right back when we inherit the throne of Cydwyl.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 02:20:58 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 02:28:39 pm
It is a possibility that either the Damdamian Empire or the Republic might intervene by sending some soldiers to aid Rucus, but I don't think that they will intervene directly by themselves. Rucus did get reinforcements from the Damdamian Empire, but that was before it was officially fractured.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 02:31:48 pm
The original plan was to invade Rucus through Eval, but some of us got greedy and wanted invade through Lamentania instead. Important to note is that the king of Rucus asked us for our casus belli at the time, so chances are that if we present a good reason for why we're invading Eldrican that might leave us alone.the damedians are a lot more weaker and distracted with the reformed Gupta we might have a chance at conquering eldrican without interference.
It is a possibility that either the Damdamian Empire or the Republic might intervene by sending some soldiers to aid Rucus, but I don't think that they will intervene directly by themselves. Rucus did get reinforcements from the Damdamian Empire, but that was before it was officially fractured.
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 02:37:22 pm
The Damedians aren't a single Empire anymore, besides the Empire and Republic are too far away to care about the Sim Empire, and Ysirene and Damedia have a truce with them.The original plan was to invade Rucus through Eval, but some of us got greedy and wanted invade through Lamentania instead. Important to note is that the king of Rucus asked us for our casus belli at the time, so chances are that if we present a good reason for why we're invading Eldrican that might leave us alone.the damedians are a lot more weaker and distracted with the reformed Gupta we might have a chance at conquering eldrican without interference.
It is a possibility that either the Damdamian Empire or the Republic might intervene by sending some soldiers to aid Rucus, but I don't think that they will intervene directly by themselves. Rucus did get reinforcements from the Damdamian Empire, but that was before it was officially fractured.
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 02:42:49 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 30, 2018, 04:02:51 pm
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You agree that a dramatic currency reevaluation event is required to nip the bud of inflation before it blooms into truly horrific proportions.
1193 AD, Mid-Spring
You receive news from your father; with death of the last Dahnian King, who left no heir, he has exerted some pressure upon Dahnian noblemen and annexed the vassal Kingdom. Cydwyl is now a single polity.
1193 AD, Late Spring
Ah, you can't simply resist her.
There's this new maid, exact age of yours, with flowing waterfall of goldilocks and deep, blue eyes. A Helliste, or Albionese, that one. Despite her young age, she already posseses huge tracts of land, and you're sure she was more or less awkwardly flirting with you when you two met in the palatial library - you to read some history of the Empire, her to dust off the shelves.
Since then, you've been thinking about her, and even night-time lance polishing didn't shake that smile and those eyes from your memory. If only her name remained there as well!
Quote
Heads
So?
A) I must have her! As soon as tonight!
B) I'm an Emperor now. I must show restraint.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 04:05:22 pm
Where we can resist, we should.
Post by: crazyabe on July 30, 2018, 04:05:46 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 30, 2018, 04:06:11 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on July 30, 2018, 04:11:42 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on July 30, 2018, 04:35:28 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 30, 2018, 04:37:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 04:38:13 pm
A - Harem go!
I'd be all for that, after either us or one of our sisters has a legitimate heir.
Post by: helmacon on July 30, 2018, 04:57:17 pm
not until we are officially in charge of cydwle and have an heir.
Post by: omada on July 30, 2018, 05:06:22 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 30, 2018, 06:25:17 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 30, 2018, 06:26:28 pm
Post by: ZBridges on July 30, 2018, 06:27:45 pm
Post by: Taricus on July 30, 2018, 06:35:37 pm
Post by: dragonblaze007 on July 30, 2018, 06:55:45 pm
Its Harem time
Post by: Blood_Librarian on July 30, 2018, 08:12:57 pm
We need Bastards.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 30, 2018, 08:20:16 pm
A
We need Bastards.
And we will have them. Many of them. I'd just rather not have one who can make a good argument for being first in line to the throne.
Post by: mightymushroom on July 30, 2018, 09:06:44 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 30, 2018, 11:15:45 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 11:49:31 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 30, 2018, 11:50:22 pm
Post by: Qassius on July 31, 2018, 12:48:21 am
Post by: crazyabe on July 31, 2018, 12:52:53 am
Can I just comment about how screwed in about 107 years how should we even combat this CLOWN STORM nearly hundreds of forgotten CLOWNS are coming directly on our capital. from every scenario I have thought of in the best case we still become significantly reduced in population and manpower for our army.Can we please stop reminding the GM about this sort of stuff? the less we talk about it, the more likely they are to forget about it and make any prophecies/special timed events Flop over and die without anything happening.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 01:27:27 am
alright you have a point I will stop.Can I just comment about how screwed in about 107 years how should we even combat this CLOWN STORM nearly hundreds of forgotten CLOWNS are coming directly on our capital. from every scenario I have thought of in the best case we still become significantly reduced in population and manpower for our army.Can we please stop reminding the GM about this sort of stuff? the less we talk about it, the more likely they are to forget about it and make any prophecies/special timed events Flop over and die without anything happening.
Post by: omada on July 31, 2018, 02:09:23 am
Doge will NOT survive 107 years,I double doubt it, even with a sorcerer blessing it won't happen maybe we can get into 80 years and start spinning the coin to die or not every year, we can make a fuckton of children
our heir not
it's even better when we make a fuckton because when our heir dies (or don't) we can make someone else the emperor after the mess ends
of course, let's hope our son don't become another hedonist, or else... fun
but we still got plenty of time to prepare for the dispair season.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:42:28 am
ok lets do the math doge has health trait which gives him 2+ and if his luck activates we get a 0.1+ so in the worst case scenario we roll a 1 so 2+0.1+1=3.1 on a average roll this becomes 3.5+2+0.1=6.6 if not 100 years he is going to live a long life maybe even longer than cyl. [this however does not count the possible health artifacts that he may obtain from the dwarfs]
Doge will NOT survive 107 years,I double doubt it, even with a sorcerer blessing it won't happen maybe we can get into 80 years and start spinning the coin to die or not every year, we can make a fuckton of children
Wait a minute I just realized something guys. Doge has a very very very very weak claim on the throne of eldrican.
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 31, 2018, 06:34:07 am
ok lets do the math doge has health trait which gives him 2+ and if his luck activates we get a 1+ so in the worst case scenario we roll a 1 so 2+1+1=4 on a average roll this becomes 5+2+1=8 if not 100 years he is going to live a long life maybe even longer than cyl. [this however does not count the possible health artifacts that he may obtain from the dwarfs]
Doge will NOT survive 107 years,I double doubt it, even with a sorcerer blessing it won't happen maybe we can get into 80 years and start spinning the coin to die or not every year, we can make a fuckton of children
Wait a minute I just realized something guys. Doge has a very very very very weak claim on the throne of eldrican.
A weak claim plus a strong army is a strong claim. But they will run for help, everyone always does when we attack them.
What we really need are fire blood materials, we do not produce any natively.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 08:24:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on July 31, 2018, 08:53:41 am
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 08:57:16 am
The average of 1d6 isn't 5, it's 3.5. Also the average of luck is +0.1, not +1. Not really here nor there, but I couldn't let it past.ah I see I will update it [edit I did it can you point out any more flaws that I might have missed]
Post by: Haspen on July 31, 2018, 02:09:09 pm
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You restrain yourself and your loins this time.
1193 AD, Summer
Iron!
Huge deposits of iron have been struck in the settlements at the footsteps of the Northern Mountains. The ore is both abundant and of good quality. Unlike gold or other precious metals, iron has its own uses.
The leaders of the settlements up north are asking for sponsorship to exploit these ore-rich mountains.
A) Put in money, take out metal. Such a good deal!
B) Nah, not now.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:17:45 pm
Post by: crazyabe on July 31, 2018, 02:19:44 pm
Post by: omada on July 31, 2018, 02:23:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 31, 2018, 02:23:48 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 31, 2018, 02:27:39 pm
Post by: TankKit on July 31, 2018, 02:27:50 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:29:56 pm
but, what, did the dwarves rip us off or am I missing something here?holy they ripped us off [you could make the excuse that the settlement was not there when we purchased that service but still they should known that we where expanding in that direction what bunch of lazy pricks.]
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 31, 2018, 02:33:17 pm
the settlement was not thereIs that the answer, though? I legitimately don't remember. If so, that would fall under "am I missing something here".
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 31, 2018, 02:33:25 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:35:30 pm
[edit] I was wrong that settlement is older than I thought lazy pricks They did rip us off.the settlement was not thereIs that the answer, though? I legitimately don't remember. If so, that would fall under "am I missing something here".
Post by: omada on July 31, 2018, 02:37:50 pm
I don't know if this mine is outside the boundaries of Methiant or not
if it's inside, they rip us off and we should make an formal letter arguing about how they should punish their professionals, after their excuse or saying that the responsible were punished (making sure they recognize that there was an error) we can say that's not quite enough since it hurted our economy
if it's just a few meters outside the border they will still have a good (although assholey) excuse
Post by: Haspen on July 31, 2018, 02:38:22 pm
1193 AD, Summer
There are two diplomats awaiting audience with you; one from Sim Emperor, one from Senate of Damdamian Republic.
Oh wait, a courtier just arrived, bringing a report from diplomatic corps. Apparently one of Ceodwellian noblemen wishes to offer his daughter up for marriage.
A) Let's check out that marriage proposal first!
B) Damdamians out of nowhere? That demands attention!
C) Sim Empire, I hope they're offering something extra with those spices!
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:39:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 31, 2018, 02:40:35 pm
A marriage alliance here we go.
Umm... Ceodwell is already part of Methiant.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:42:33 pm
Cyes that I know but this can strengthen doge position in cydwyl no magic staff to keep the succession safe and this can really help with stability remember the last time cyl was on his deathbed the nobles wanted to split the kingdom.A marriage alliance here we go.
Umm... Ceodwell is already part of Methiant.
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 31, 2018, 02:45:34 pm
Now a marriage alliance with the Simians (heh) I'd be interested in.
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:47:56 pm
Cyou have a point but we should still concentrate on one kingdom to assimilate first the north then the south. but if it is a trade deal we should accept it for a better relationship with his empire.
Now a marriage alliance with the Simians (heh) I'd be interested in.
Post by: birdy51 on July 31, 2018, 02:48:56 pm
This interests me more!
Post by: Rockeater on July 31, 2018, 02:51:15 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on July 31, 2018, 02:51:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 31, 2018, 02:51:35 pm
Cyou have a point but we should still concentrate on one kingdom to assimilate first the north then the south.
Now a marriage alliance with the Simians (heh) I'd be interested in.
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Now a marriage alliance with the Simians (heh) I'd be interested in.
Unless our wife winds up being as big a hedonist as we are, we are likely going to mess up any marriage we get involved in by sleeping around. We should probably avoid making big political plans around our marriage, as they could very well blow up when the relationship does.
If anything, we should be open about are hedonism, refuse the chains of marriage, and name an eventual Nephew by Siri heir over our bastards to assimilate Helliste.
Post by: Kashyyk on July 31, 2018, 02:52:56 pm
Post by: Basil ii on July 31, 2018, 02:53:58 pm
Post by: omada on July 31, 2018, 03:04:50 pm
Post by: dragonblaze007 on July 31, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
Post by: Prophet on July 31, 2018, 03:40:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on July 31, 2018, 04:42:06 pm
Because I'm curious how different their outlook might be from ye olde Gubta.
Post by: birdy51 on July 31, 2018, 04:56:39 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on July 31, 2018, 04:58:42 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 31, 2018, 05:13:09 pm
We really ought to be careful how much we spurn marriage as an institution. As the first ruler of a combined state, we've got to work extra hard pretending that we care about it, otherwise, we might end up losing the respect of the governed.
If we must get married, I have a few ideas:
We could get our spy master to find us a lesbian wife. She can be our empress in public, and we can both chase other women (perhaps even share a few) in private without having to hate each other. In this case, she could either put up with us in bed long enough to give us an heir, or we could leave her alone completely and go with the plan of naming a Nephew the next Emperor.
The above plan could also work with a wife who is a fellow hedonist, but then we'd be in the awkward position of dealing with her bastards as well as our own.
We could also take a wife from Eldrican, Rucus, or some other nation we plan to go to war with. We could get a good excuse for warfare when the relationship inevitably falls apart, and our heir would have some legitimate claim to that nation's throne when we take it.
If we want to just get married and have legitimate heirs like a normal monarch, the Ceodwellian girl is not a terrible idea. Since she is from Methiant, we will not have to worry about international incidents when/if the relationship falls apart.
Post by: omada on July 31, 2018, 05:39:54 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 01, 2018, 12:34:48 am
It was stated before (I think that in the Q&A section) that the Eldricans don't saw Ruberta as having any claim on their lands, they see marriage as being out of their dinasty, so marrying Eldrican won't work this timehave you heard of Edward iii of England the man who started the one Hundred Years’ War he was the son of Isabela of France [Isabela was the daughter of Philip IV] and Edward ii. Edward iii started it the even though in French law the daughters and their children have no claim to the throne of France but he knew of a way to strengthen his claim through having a bigger army than his enemy/uncle the same principle applies here.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 01, 2018, 03:39:25 am
have you heard of Edward iii of England the man who started the one Hundred Years’ War he was the son of Isabela of France [Isabela was the daughter of Philip IV] and Edward ii. Edward iii started it the even though in French law the daughters and their children have no claim to the throne of France but he knew of a way to strengthen his claim through having a bigger army than his enemy/uncle the same principle applies here.Remind me again how long that war lasted
And how it ended
And how long those two countries hated each other afterward (nb: "still")?
Post by: Basil ii on August 01, 2018, 04:01:09 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 01, 2018, 04:17:18 am
Often the Hapsburg’s during their rise used war as a political tool before inflation crushed them let’s not repeat that particular part shall we?.The important question, of course, is, if A was correlated with B historically, how can we convince ourselves that it is possible to do A and not B?
Post by: Basil ii on August 01, 2018, 04:38:49 am
a] because we don’t have literal mountains of silver to deal with b] we don’t have an empire that overstretched as the Hapsburg’s had they wasted a lot of money trying to keep all parts of the empire unified it took months to reach the ends of the empire while methiant is large it not that large. C] we don’t have as many problems as the Hapsburg’s no Protestants to cow no France to keep in check no Netherlands’s to try and make stable no Ottoman Empire that threatens one of our biggest provinces sure we have problems but compared to the Hapsburg’s during their fall this is heaven. Anyway that was my two centsOften the Hapsburg’s during their rise used war as a political tool before inflation crushed them let’s not repeat that particular part shall we?.The important question, of course, is, if A was correlated with B historically, how can we convince ourselves that it is possible to do A and not B?
Post by: Haspen on August 01, 2018, 10:11:41 am
a] because we don’t have literal mountains of silver to deal with b] we don’t have an empire that overstretched as the Hapsburg’s had they wasted a lot of money trying to keep all parts of the empire unified it took months to reach the ends of the empire while methiant is large it not that large. C] we don’t have as many problems as the Hapsburg’s no Protestants to cow no France to keep in check no Netherlands’s to try and make stable no Ottoman Empire that threatens one of our biggest provinces sure we have problems but compared to the Hapsburg’s during their fall this is heaven. Anyway that was my two cents
Hmmm :v
/me writes notes too.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 01, 2018, 10:20:53 am
How come we can't find some master thief of our own to rob our neighbours blind? That gives me a Lore question actually...
Post by: Basil ii on August 01, 2018, 10:45:00 am
On the flip side, some Richard Cranium stole over 20 econ worth of artifacts. I think we have enough of our own problems :Psure it’s bad but not Austria hungry during ww1 levels of bad a Frankenstein’s monster of a nation my god the sheer incompetence of that nation Like using cavalry with lances in a semi modern war level of incompetence.
Post by: Basil ii on August 01, 2018, 11:05:35 am
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2018, 12:30:53 pm
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You meet with the Simian delegate first. The pudgy, short man in clad in finest robes of multitude of colors, with yellow, purple and orange prevailing. His long beard is neatly combed and his cape is shiny of golden thread.
"Greetings to you, Emperor Yoe! My only lord and master, Emperor Mahjar Sim, has always been in awe of the size of your Treasury. Therefore, he is offering another item that is aplenty in Simian and has been found nowhere in Methiant - a drink called t'chai! It is made of leaves that are dried up and then boiled, creating a drink that is both recreational, invigorating, soothing and medicinal in the same time. Wealthy people from all over Simia and further east, be it merchants, priests or princes, indulge in the tchai after meals and ceremonies."
A) "Sounds lovely. Get me that tchai, and you will get my money!"
B) "Sounds nice, but maybe you could offer something else?"
C) "I'm a warrior, not a drinker of herbal mixtures! Shoo!"
Post by: Prophet on August 02, 2018, 12:34:08 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 02, 2018, 12:39:06 pm
although if option B said "... like one of your princesses, or princes, I'm not judging" I'd go with that instead.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 02, 2018, 12:39:31 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 02, 2018, 12:42:48 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 02, 2018, 12:44:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2018, 12:48:03 pm
Now it's time to meet with...
A) Courtier with a report!
B) The Damdamian
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 02, 2018, 12:48:21 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 02, 2018, 12:53:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 02, 2018, 12:59:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 02, 2018, 12:59:56 pm
How have they reacted to our now-official Pantheonism?
Post by: Kashyyk on August 02, 2018, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 02, 2018, 01:27:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2018, 01:50:45 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Yoe! I come with a letter that the Senate has written and gave to me just eight days ago." He takes out a scroll from his robes and begins to read.
"To Emperor Yoe IV of Methiant, from Senate of Republic of Damdamia. Emperor! Your vile treachery has enraged the people of Damdamia. And while the perpetrator of this crime has begged for his life, claiming to be your relative and son of the Great Cyl, we've decided to punish him nonetheless! Thus, we have executed your uncle, Saenn of Methiant, by boiling him in oil, after he has fatally stabbed the retired Consul Marius Badus Lucus during a ride through his family estates. The Senate gives you two options; pay a tribute to the Senate, pay the tribute to Marius' wife Upsettia Gloria, and pay a tribute to the people of Damdamia who demand revenge for the death of their beloved consul of four consecutive terms. The other option is that the Damdamian Republic will punish not your Treasury, but entirety of Methiant. These are the words of Damdamian Senate, unanimously written, signed by Consul Tupetus Maximus and Praetor Energus Triumphus."
A) "I'm sure there has been some sort of misunderstanding. We ought to talk about this first!"
B) "We want no quarrel with Damdamians. We will pay for Saenn's terrible deed."
C) "No evidence, no forewarning? I will pay nothing to the bullies calling themselves senators!"
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D) Ask Haspen 'y u do dis'. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqNsbp-Q-3Y)
Post by: Criptfeind on August 02, 2018, 01:56:14 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 02, 2018, 01:57:40 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 02, 2018, 01:57:42 pm
Post by: Taricus on August 02, 2018, 02:01:14 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 02, 2018, 02:02:33 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 02, 2018, 02:03:53 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2018, 02:05:53 pm
"Who is this dick again?" Says the young man who thankfully never knew this asshole of an uncle. I do think we should pay some reparations or respects, though not nearly as much as they are looking for. This man was ejected from the royal line some time ago.
Post by: Basil ii on August 02, 2018, 02:15:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2018, 02:16:09 pm
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It takes a while; you learn that once again, Saenn tried to defend himself by tying himself to royal family. Damdamians had none of it and killed him anyways, they've decided to contact you and demand compensation for you're Saenn's relative; that's how Damdamian code of laws work, and the Senate won't let you get away by hiding yourself behind Methiantese law instead.
"The Senate knew that like all Yoeans, you will attempt to negotiate. Very well; you will pay Damdamia a tribute of two metals your country is known for - silver and gold - and the senators will sponsor a mausoleum and pensions for ex-Consul's Marius children and grandchildren with these precious metals."
A) "No, still not gonna work, let's negotiate further."
B) "Are you crazy? Get off my lawn!"
C) "Now, I can accept the demands."
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 02, 2018, 02:19:58 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 02, 2018, 02:20:35 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 02, 2018, 02:27:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 02, 2018, 02:28:39 pm
They want to pick a fight with us? Bring it.
Post by: Basil ii on August 02, 2018, 02:29:41 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 02, 2018, 02:29:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 02, 2018, 02:31:51 pm
keep pushing until they declare war. Make them the aggressors. Control the narrative.
Post by: Rockeater on August 02, 2018, 02:32:43 pm
A+1 we already helf way there already, no one cared about this guy
keep pushing until they declare war. Make them the aggressors. Control the narrative.
Post by: Basil ii on August 02, 2018, 02:33:55 pm
Post by: omada on August 02, 2018, 02:42:15 pm
A
Post by: ZBridges on August 02, 2018, 02:51:28 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 02, 2018, 02:53:02 pm
Surely, the Damdanian law must have some system to disown people?
Post by: Rockeater on August 02, 2018, 02:56:24 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 02, 2018, 02:56:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 02, 2018, 03:11:13 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 02, 2018, 03:15:03 pm
This guy was disowned, publicly, by the former Empress. He's no relative of ours and the Senate has no authority to make him so.
(Worst case, we find out just how well that prophecy holds up on the great warrior part.)
Post by: Haspen on August 02, 2018, 04:52:16 pm
You try to negotiate even more.
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"I see. I will take your words to the Senate. You may away a swift response to this, Emperor." The Damdamian salutes you.
"May Damed give you long and prosperous life." Then he leaves, and the court begins to murmur.
The courtier with the report comes in next and you read the scroll.
The girl up for the wedding comes, by matrilineal lines, from the dynasty of the kings of Ceodwell. One of her great-ancestors was apparently Ceodwell II himself. The girl's name is Ceorina, and is reputed to be both beautiful and skilled in arts. A marriage like this would endear you to your local Ceodwellian nobility for sure.
A) A good wife from a good home, I'm sure.
B) Ain't my type, no.
Post by: crazyabe on August 02, 2018, 04:54:48 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 02, 2018, 04:55:05 pm
Post by: Qassius on August 02, 2018, 04:55:54 pm
B, mistook Ceodwell for Cydwyl. rip
Post by: omada on August 02, 2018, 04:57:22 pm
C?) let me consult the oracles *go consult the spymaster*
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 02, 2018, 05:05:25 pm
Marrying into the local nobility is for third or fourth kids, not sitting Emperors. Ceodwell is already part of Methiant and has been for ages, no need to gild the lilly.
Post by: Prophet on August 02, 2018, 05:26:04 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2018, 05:51:49 pm
Why not!
Post by: Rockeater on August 02, 2018, 05:53:04 pm
They are greatly integrated already+1
C?) let me consult the oracles *go consult the spymaster*
Post by: mightymushroom on August 02, 2018, 05:59:28 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2018, 06:06:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 02, 2018, 07:04:26 pm
Man, I'm pretty sure all that negotiation just made us look weak and put the problem off. Maybe if they had some sorta leg to stand on with their accusations, but since they didn't the most legitimizing argument they could make is that we seemed to think they had some sorta point, otherwise why bother negotiating.
Post by: ZBridges on August 02, 2018, 07:10:57 pm
Post by: auzewasright on August 02, 2018, 08:09:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 02, 2018, 09:41:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 02, 2018, 09:58:46 pm
A
Man, I'm pretty sure all that negotiation just made us look weak and put the problem off. Maybe if they had some sorta leg to stand on with their accusations, but since they didn't the most legitimizing argument they could make is that we seemed to think they had some sorta point, otherwise why bother negotiating.
To be fair, I thought they were asking for only 1 econ, so I assumed that the negotiations were for something else entirely.
Post by: Basil ii on August 02, 2018, 11:56:48 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 03, 2018, 12:14:52 am
That choice was the correct one on the dumb uncle.
If he was a member of the royal family then executing him without consulting us was a grave diplomatic insult.
If he was a disowned bum then it is barely concealed extortion.
We can break some of their armies and hopefully our neighbors will see taking the Damdamian empire as the better choice.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 03, 2018, 01:21:20 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 01:39:05 am
Better to cheat on a local girl than a foreign princess. We'll have to make it clear to her, in private at least, how much of a horn dog we are though.this is why we need a replica of the magical succession staff to handle bastards.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 03, 2018, 07:24:52 am
A - Better to cheat on a local girl than a foreign princess. We'll have to make it clear to her, in private at least, how much of a horn dog we are though.
I suppose this wife would be easy to get away with cheating on. She is an artist, we are patrons of the arts. We can just send her out of town to paint the ceiling of a distant cathedral when we want to get some strange.
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 07:57:17 am
Post by: johiah on August 03, 2018, 08:06:09 am
Post by: Haspen on August 03, 2018, 11:41:49 am
Wait how is this still going. That is some serious dedication.
Please free me from this hell if you can. It has no end. NO END ;<;
You decide to accept Ceorina's hand in marriage. The courtier is sent with the reply to the Diplomatic Corps.
Later they inform you that the wedding has been scheduled for Mid-Autumn.
1193 AD, Midsummer
When you lie down on the bed, Aethlan is already caressing your side. This young - barely a year your senior - son of one of delegates of Diplomatic Corps sure gave you a thorough workout in the bedsheets. And to think it all begun with a happenstance bump in the corridors, when this beautiful blonde burglar of hearts dared to smack right into you as you were turning a corner.
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Then again, maybe you're just a bit too easy? Or maybe you fell in love with your new boyfriend? It's been six hours till you met him and the seed of you two have already been spilled in copious amounts. Nevertheless, you've found perfect companion; as an added bonus, he can't get pregnant, too.
You turn to lay against him, and he speaks up, his eyes sparkling like diamonds that you cannot pry your own stare from.
"Your Majesty is the only one I need. Can I receive a posting in the palace, so that I can be at your side whenever you wish, hmm~?"
A) -
B) "You will be posted as one of my aides, so you can truly be at my side all the time."
C) "I can give you a job somewhere in offices of the capital city, the palace is just a stone throw from the main street."
Post by: Weirdsound on August 03, 2018, 11:45:52 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 03, 2018, 11:47:38 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 03, 2018, 11:48:21 am
But if we keep him it's going to be his job to take care of our wife when we're out boning yet a third party.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 03, 2018, 11:49:15 am
Post by: Prophet on August 03, 2018, 11:55:19 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 03, 2018, 11:56:40 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 03, 2018, 11:59:12 am
Don't mix work and love.
Post by: Haspen on August 03, 2018, 12:17:05 pm
1193 AD, Autumn
There is a cloud of purple smoke rising from above Ankurvat! For the past week, people who were living in far-west Methiant complain of putrid smell, toxic air and disease claiming bodies of their relatives. Several settlements worth of people have already decided to up and evacuate deeper into Methiant proper.
The Spymaster contacts you later this evening to inform him that out of six agents he has sent to Ankurvat in past few days, four has gone missing and two have returned empty handed, unable to penetrate the poisonous air.
You decide to...
A) Wait for dwarves to do their work and fix this. It's their problem after all.
B) Buy services of some brave lvl30+ adventurers to enter the Ankurvat fortress.
C) Order all your subjects to leave the area, and send adventurers.
D) Order all your subjects at the border with Ankurvat to evacuate.
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 12:17:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 03, 2018, 12:19:45 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 03, 2018, 12:20:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 03, 2018, 12:21:12 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 03, 2018, 12:21:45 pm
We'd better remove the people in danger. Then wait for the dwarves to decide what the fuck is going on.
Also their dumb shit is killing our citizens. They've declared war on us in situations where we've given less offense then that. But I'm going to guess they won't even bother to apologize.
Post by: birdy51 on August 03, 2018, 12:31:56 pm
Looks like they got the poison artifact working again. Perhaps we should send in our Candelabra of Weather Control in?
Post by: Rockeater on August 03, 2018, 12:39:50 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 03, 2018, 12:51:49 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 12:56:01 pm
No option to demand compensation?do you really want to piss off the dwarves?.
Post by: helmacon on August 03, 2018, 12:57:01 pm
No option to demand compensation?do you really want to piss off the dwarves?.
honestly.. for this... Yea. Kinda.
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 01:00:16 pm
remember the last time we pissed off the dwarfs i do.No option to demand compensation?do you really want to piss off the dwarves?.
honestly.. for this... Yea. Kinda.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 03, 2018, 01:01:44 pm
Now, it's dwarves assaulting our civilians. We're in the right for once.
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 01:03:31 pm
Thing is, all those other times was us looting dwarven tombs and all that.to meddle in the affair of dwarves courts disaster I like it as much as you do but we don’t need another enemy.
Now, it's dwarves assaulting our civilians. We're in the right for once.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 03, 2018, 01:05:32 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 03, 2018, 01:06:56 pm
We can't do shot though unless we want them to blow up our artifacts.we need our whether staff with out it the hurtling area may not prosper.
Post by: omada on August 03, 2018, 01:16:47 pm
E evacuate and send letter to the dwarves elsewhere asking if they want help, or if this is under control that they compensate and control their smoke, if no one knows what the fuck is happening ask for permission to hire adventurers to break in and save their brethren
If not, D
HEY GUYS, 900 PAGES. just 100 for us to get to the page 1000
Post by: crazyabe on August 03, 2018, 01:20:46 pm
HEY GUYS, 900 PAGES. just 100 for us to get to the page 1000900? Its *only* 541 deep According to my view.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 03, 2018, 01:23:24 pm
C
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 03, 2018, 01:23:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 03, 2018, 01:46:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 03, 2018, 02:04:17 pm
But D. Pull back out of danger, wait for more developments. But do not hire adventurers, the last thing we need is dwarves thinking we're responsible for looting them again.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 03, 2018, 02:50:45 pm
If the adventurers can find the box and shut it off we can sell it back to the dwarves again for more cash!
Post by: omada on August 03, 2018, 03:57:17 pm
C lets us evacuate and find more stuff out.
If the adventurers can find the box and shut it off we can sell it back to the dwarves again for more cash!
they will probably just declare war on us for breaking in and stealing their property
speaking of war, shouldn't the courtiers pressing us into sending more troops to the border? And then we can use our martial skills and send some troops to the mountains to prepare for a surprise attack on their supply lines and try to prepare ourselves because they will clearly use the mountains again? They were pretty clear that don't paying them tribute they would declare war on us
Post by: Weirdsound on August 03, 2018, 04:01:43 pm
C lets us evacuate and find more stuff out.
If the adventurers can find the box and shut it off we can sell it back to the dwarves again for more cash!
they will probably just declare war on us for breaking in and stealing their property
speaking of war, shouldn't the courtiers pressing us into sending more troops to the border? And then we can use our martial skills and send some troops to the mountains to prepare for a surprise attack on their supply lines and try to prepare ourselves because they will clearly use the mountains again? They were pretty clear that don't paying them tribute they would declare war on us
Perhaps, but I'd rather let them attack us first so that we do not look like the aggressors. Unless we are careful we could wind up fighting multiple Damdamian nations.
Also, we have a huge fortress in those mountains, because that is where the Orcworld entrance is. I'm not too worried them using the mountains.
Post by: omada on August 03, 2018, 04:06:08 pm
or at least increase the numbers of scouts there so we can prepare something
Post by: mightymushroom on August 03, 2018, 04:20:20 pm
Edit: Checked the map again and I see two paths from the Republic to us: either through the mountains, or through Rucus and Lametania. The latter would almost certainly mean those two countries also getting involved. I don't know if they will or not. As for other Damedians, last I checked we're still trading with Ysirene and I wouldn't expect the Holy Empire or Eldrican to rouse themselves over a point of Republican snootiness (although one or two of the smaller constituents might be bribed to join I guess.)
Post by: Criptfeind on August 03, 2018, 04:34:29 pm
I thought the huge fortress is mostly on the Orcworld side? If our side is not much more than the tunnel entrance we'll have rather limited options against a holding siege
You'd think so, but a bunch of primitive savages were able to take the fortress and hold it against us and force an extended siege. It doesn't really make sense that we'd make the fortress able to defend against anything in our world usefully, but it appears that that is exactly the case.
Given that it makes a lot more sense that they'd probably got a deal with Rucus and Lametania and are going to try to invade us though them.
Or maybe they'll just wave at us threateningly and make it seem we're at war but never do anything.
Post by: omada on August 03, 2018, 04:44:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 03, 2018, 05:15:57 pm
You'd think so, but a bunch of primitive savages were able to take the fortress and hold it against us and force an extended siege. It doesn't really make sense that we'd make the fortress able to defend against anything in our world usefully, but it appears that that is exactly the case.
That was them using the Magic Doom Weather on the Orcworld end of the tunnel, not us sieging our own fortress as a military operation. There's no sign they ever attempted to traverse the passage into our world.
Post by: Imic on August 03, 2018, 05:25:42 pm
Looking on all that has happened...
Well, that was an unexpected death. Fuck cancer.
...
Hold on. They are asking us for full compensation... For a crime commited by a relatice THAT WE DISOWNED! Why weren't we given the option of telling them that!?
Also, a bisexual Emperor. Huh. I wonder which side of the family he got it from...
Post by: Criptfeind on August 03, 2018, 05:29:04 pm
You'd think so, but a bunch of primitive savages were able to take the fortress and hold it against us and force an extended siege. It doesn't really make sense that we'd make the fortress able to defend against anything in our world usefully, but it appears that that is exactly the case.
That was them using the Magic Doom Weather on the Orcworld end of the tunnel, not us sieging our own fortress as a military operation. There's no sign they ever attempted to traverse the passage into our world.
After the magic doom weather was bypassed we still had to siege the fortress to get it back from them. It seems like they had no effective technology to defend it, so it wasn't a particularly hard siege, but it still took a few weeks and we had to break down some walls with fireblood.
Hold on. They are asking us for full compensation... For a crime commited by a relatice THAT WE DISOWNED! Why weren't we given the option of telling them that!?
I mean, we were given the option to tell them to fuck off with their ridiculous claims. Everyone seemed to think they were legitimate enough that we should negotiate for some reason though.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 03, 2018, 09:57:36 pm
(On the other hand, we did adopt generic tactics suited to hill/mountain fighting, so there's that in our favor.)
(P.S. What ever happened to the effort to crack the Ur-Uk language? I don't remember a follow up.)
Hold on. They are asking us for full compensation... For a crime commited by a relatice THAT WE DISOWNED! Why weren't we given the option of telling them that!?
I mean, we were given the option to tell them to fuck off with their ridiculous claims. Everyone seemed to think they were legitimate enough that we should negotiate for some reason though.
The message stated obviously that straight dismissal would mean war with a formidable opponent. It also hints that they are aware of Saenn's disinheritance under Methiant law but choosing to ignore it. I figured the negotiation option was indeed trying to get our position upheld via diplomacy. Alas, that doesn't seem to have been quite Haspen's interpretation. I, for one, never intended to pay a single coin. (If I wasn't scared of dwarves when they were in the wrong, what shall I fear from senators?)
Post by: Basil ii on August 04, 2018, 01:29:57 am
Post by: auzewasright on August 04, 2018, 07:27:07 am
Seems like it's a job for the magic candle.
Post by: Imic on August 04, 2018, 07:46:03 am
If I wasn't scared of dwarves when they were in the wrong, what shall I fear from senators?Sigged.
Post by: Basil ii on August 04, 2018, 08:05:02 am
Post by: Imic on August 05, 2018, 09:43:08 am
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 10:01:49 am
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You order all people living near Ankurvat to evacuate somewhere safer.
Few days later, you receive reports on trade.
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Glasswork sold in Ysirene very well, although the Treasury got only minor profits from proxy selling of Simian spices to your noblemen. Springwine did good.
Meanwhile, the first of aromatic tchai leaves that arrived in Methiant have sold exceptionally well. What's best is that compared to spices, the dried leaves are sold in compact form, tied and bagged. This allows them to be exported in large quantities, and all but peasants can enjoy the invigorating drink.
1193 AD, Mid-Autumn
It is time for marriage between you and the young Ceorina isn't overtly pompous affair. Most of the courtiers wish you well, and the bride's father hopes that she will bring you many children.
The next morning, the Spymaster arrives to bring you a report on Ankurvat; the walled city continues to emit poisonous smoke, and some survivors were found; apparently, one night, a terrible explosion occured somewhere in dwarven halls under the city, and that's when the smoke began to appear. Dwarves dissappeared from the aboveground just as people began to flee.
Meanwhile, few of Spymaster's agents have begun tracking parties of dwarves sneaking through Methiantese countryside, both from and in the direction of Ankurvat. They're avoiding roads and settlements; instead they travel by countryside, forests and hills.
A) Let's track them all for now.
B) I'm sure they're not doing anything suspicious.
C) Stop, capture, and interrogate them at once!
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2018, 10:05:51 am
As much as I want to say C, we cannot afford to anger the fickle midgets. We should get a +1 from our elf cloaks this way too.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 05, 2018, 10:08:33 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 05, 2018, 10:12:10 am
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 10:26:31 am
1193 AD, Five days later
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When with another screech of your dearest wife a large jewelry box flies in your direction, you decide to just duck away from its trajectory. The poor, decorative box smashes into two against the wall behind you.
You glance at Aethlan, who managed to put on his pants already (that ass, mmf!) and jolt toward the door. But Ceorina doesn't concentrate on your lover, but on you, her unfaithful, horny, teenage husband. You've hoped that you would get some free time with Aethlan and that Ceorina would find herself something to do this morning. Unfortunately, she wanted to visit her husband and, well...
"FIVE DAYS, YOE!" She shrieks, clutching at her hair. "It's been five days since we became husband and wife, and you already sleep with another person!? I should've told my father to listen to reason, but no! And what marriage I've gotten myself into! You will be faithful to me, or I will claim divorce on reasoning of oathbreaking!"
"My dearest..."
"There are names for women who do this!! What name should I call you with then, Emperor!?"
You decide to...
A) Help her out and divorce her first. A wife that raises her voice against Emperor of Methiant is not worth keeping!
B) Apologize with words and trinkets and promises of not sleeping around.
C) Try to reason with her and ask if she can't just accept Aethlan (okay, and maybe few others...) as your 'companions'.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2018, 10:30:08 am
Also, according to the post where we ascended to Emperor, we are now trading gems for furs again. How did that trade do this year?
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 10:32:56 am
Also, according to the post where we ascended to Emperor, we are now trading gems for furs again. How did that trade do this year?
Uhh.
Uhhhhhh.
<_<
Oh right! It's scheduled for Winter. Didn't you know?
Post by: Prophet on August 05, 2018, 10:34:34 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 05, 2018, 10:35:41 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 11:05:19 am
C Nothing shall stop the harem! :Pindeed my brother! C ;D
Post by: Chevaleresse on August 05, 2018, 11:07:10 am
Worst that happens is she just divorces us anyway.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 11:10:24 am
that could prove to be a really big problem you know we just married her for legitimacy with the nobles of cydwyl and our dad is gonna die soon I smell a succession crisis in order.
Worst that happens is she just divorces us anyway.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 11:25:47 am
I think accepting infidelity is probably worth at least a -2 to our check, no charisma, no magic, I don't think we even have a great chance here.... Probably need at least a 6....
Fuck.
B Lets try to make it future us problem.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 11:30:37 am
Geeze. Too bad we don't have the amulet of charisma.the problem is that it doesn’t solve anything it merely throws the consequences into the future I rather solve our problem right here right now.
I think accepting infidelity is probably worth at least a -2 to our check, no charisma, no magic, I don't think we even have a great chance here.... Probably need at least a 6....
Fuck.
B Lets try to make it future us problem.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2018, 11:31:48 am
that could prove to be a really big problem you know we just married her for legitimacy with the nobles of cydwyl and our dad is gonna die soon I smell a succession crisis in order.
Worst that happens is she just divorces us anyway.
She is from Ceodwell. Methiant has owned Ceodwell since the days of Cyl the great. Know your fictional geography.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 11:32:47 am
Geeze. Too bad we don't have the amulet of charisma.the problem is that it doesn’t solve anything it merely throws the consequences into the future I rather solve our problem right here right now.
I think accepting infidelity is probably worth at least a -2 to our check, no charisma, no magic, I don't think we even have a great chance here.... Probably need at least a 6....
Fuck.
B Lets try to make it future us problem.
Well it's hardly going to get worse. Maybe we can convince one of our maids to seduce her or something.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 05, 2018, 11:34:43 am
See, this is why you got to be open and honest about these things from the beginning. If we had just painted this as a kind of "buy one get one free" scenario when we agreed to the wedding, we wouldn't have this problem!
I mean, really, we should have screened applicants against monogamy before agreeing in the first place, but too late for that.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 05, 2018, 11:35:35 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 11:38:50 am
my god that’s like dumping metric tons of oil in a forest fire.the problem is that it doesn’t solve anything it merely throws the consequences into the future I rather solve our problem right here right now.
Well it's hardly going to get worse. Maybe we can convince one of our maids to seduce her or something.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2018, 11:39:43 am
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2018, 12:54:32 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 12:55:07 pm
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By the afternoon, she has her bags packed, and whole of the palace knows of your infidelity and your 'love' for Aethlan's loins. Your courtiers are angry, Aethlan's father is ridiculed for having such a careless child (and for letting for this to happen), and Ceodrina hands you divorce paper right before she leaves the palace.
Even outside the palace, people are unhappy, and angry about your affairs. Even priests of God of Love, while pleased with the fact you have multiple pursuits, had to scold you publicly for destroying one relationship to pursue another.
You're sure that your authority as an emperor was crippled.
1193 AD, Late Autumn
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The replacing and strengthening of currency is progressing smoothly, although some merchants are loudly complaining that they're losing profits because of the reevaluation. Still, no incident occurs.
Few days after that report, you receive a letter from your father, Cyl. He is extremely angry about the scandal at your court last week and is coming to visit you.
A) The King of Cydwyl should stay in the Kingdom of Cydwyl, I think.
B) I better prepare for this confrontation... wear a mail coif or something.
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2018, 12:58:35 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 05, 2018, 01:00:03 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 05, 2018, 01:06:30 pm
Post by: omada on August 05, 2018, 01:08:26 pm
with a charisma trait we are going to be very embarassed (and that's good)
Post by: helmacon on August 05, 2018, 01:09:48 pm
I cannot believe you guys tried to get our wife to just "accept" our cheating on her. Especially given she was already throwing things. Ffs.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 01:10:27 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 01:14:39 pm
I cannot believe you guys tried to get our wife to just "accept" our cheating on her. Especially given she was already throwing things. Ffs.it was the best option though if we would have picked the other-ones we would just postpone the problem not actually solve it it’s better to treat a infected wound and have the treatment be painful but short than leaving it festering and possibly damn the entire limb.
Post by: helmacon on August 05, 2018, 01:16:11 pm
Bit was the best option though if we would have picked the other-ones we would just postpone the problem not actually solve it.
I cannot believe you guys tried to get our wife to just "accept" our cheating on her. Especially given she was already throwing things. Ffs.
If we postponed the problem long enough that we had kids with her, and she was committed to her position, it would have solved the problem.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 01:17:14 pm
Having kids with her, or maybe getting a magical artifact of charisma, or even if we could find a charismatic maid to introduce her to hedonism. I think we had a better chance in the future at least.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 01:24:52 pm
Still it would have left a festering wound in our relationship which would never be healed better to get rid of the infection before it kills us than leave it there.Bit was the best option though if we would have picked the other-ones we would just postpone the problem not actually solve it.
I cannot believe you guys tried to get our wife to just "accept" our cheating on her. Especially given she was already throwing things. Ffs.
If we postponed the problem long enough that we had kids with her, and she was committed to her position, it would have solved the problem.
Post by: helmacon on August 05, 2018, 01:38:00 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 01:49:01 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 05, 2018, 01:55:59 pm
Welp.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 01:59:01 pm
That's one hell of an assumption.that she might still be pissed off after we cheated on her?.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 02:02:13 pm
Even if true. We're the fucking emperor of a medieval empire. For us a perfectly happy marriage isn't the top priority so much as one that's stable and avoids issues. If she was unhappy for her whole life because of the marriage, oh well.I would rather not have our character be castrated while he is sleeping.
Post by: birdy51 on August 05, 2018, 02:11:40 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 02:17:36 pm
Maybe this will turn out for the best, and we'll be forced to take a hard look at our hedonistic pleasures. If we're going to change, we may as well better do it now before we royally screw everything up. Perhaps losing our mother too early has left some deep need in poor Yoe's psyche...are suggesting that our character has a Oedipus complex?. Well at the very least we are not a necrophiliac [yet]
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 02:19:19 pm
Dad arrives next week and tears right into you.
"DO YOU KNOW the kind of uproar you caused at Cydwyl court? The faction that wanted to keep Cydwyl separate from Methiant is all giggles today. You and your dick ruin all your mother and I have been working on meticuously for years!" You sit there on the chair, blushing, before you speak up.
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You only make it worse.
"Look, Doge, I'm not going to let you destroy everything because you can't keep your cock inside your pants. So, you're going to remove Aethlan from your palace and restrain yourself from affairs and relationships until I find you a wife that can keep a good check on you, or at least keep you tired long enough you don't cheat on her. I will stay in Cydwyl and try to calm down my nobles so that they won't throw the inheritance treaty the moment I keel over. Is that understood?"
You decide to...
A) Agree to both of your father's demands.
B) Agree to keep away from random flings, but you will not dismiss Aethlan!
C) Agree to dismiss Aethlan, but you won't have marriage proposals dictated by your dad!
D) Refuse to cooperate on any of these points.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2018, 02:22:48 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 02:22:58 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 02:23:00 pm
Our character needs this firm hand tbh.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 05, 2018, 02:23:32 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 05, 2018, 02:25:28 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2018, 02:29:27 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 05, 2018, 02:56:54 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 05, 2018, 03:00:56 pm
Kind of hopes this works, and we get the most angriest wife this side of the continent. Like, the Marshall, but in female form.
Post by: Basil ii on August 05, 2018, 03:09:42 pm
A[600 kilograms of raw muscle as for her height ten feat in length she is theULTIMATE HOUSEWIFE and the last stage of Human evolution]Ahem now back to the topic at hand I do wonder what kind of lady he will make us marry?.
Kind of hopes this works, and we get the most angriest wife this side of the continent. Like, the Marshall, but in female form.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2018, 03:45:28 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 05, 2018, 03:58:23 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 05, 2018, 04:03:37 pm
I feel that not keeping our established contact is counterproductive to the other goal of tiring us out.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 05, 2018, 04:05:34 pm
I also don't want the kid to go emo and fling himself off a parapet or something, especially if we get a depressed trait out of the deal.
Post by: Rockeater on August 05, 2018, 04:06:51 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2018, 04:11:43 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 05, 2018, 04:19:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 04:21:43 pm
Go C guys. We can put the Spymaster to use searching for a swift who would accept our preferences. Either a lesbian, a hedonist or just someone who doesn't care will do.
I'd vote for that if I thought we had enough control over what our character does to the point where we can initiate such a search, but I'm not sure if we really do.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 05, 2018, 04:22:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 05, 2018, 04:32:14 pm
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You concede to both demands, and your father looks pleased.
"Good. I've ensured that proper arrangements are already made in case you relent; a nobleman's daughter from Cydwyl, Wihemina, is four years your senior and is known to be both experienced as well as cool-headed lady, running her father's household while he was sick without an incident. She will be your wife. From what I've heard about her, she will keep you in check easily."
A) Sure, I will marry her.
B) Nooooooo...!
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 05, 2018, 04:33:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 05, 2018, 04:34:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 05, 2018, 04:35:35 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 05, 2018, 04:35:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 05, 2018, 04:38:48 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 05, 2018, 04:41:17 pm
"From what I've heard about her, she will keep you in check easily."A Obviously Cyl does not remember the pure stubbornness that his Methiantese ancestors are known for. As all of the neighboring countries and the Dwarves know... a Methiantese Emperor don't back down from a challenge easily! I have a feeling that Yoe IV won't be so quick to tame.
Post by: auzewasright on August 05, 2018, 04:44:47 pm
*sigh*
Post by: birdy51 on August 05, 2018, 04:57:54 pm
Post by: Imic on August 05, 2018, 05:16:20 pm
Reads what just happened
Walks out again eithout voting
God damn it Haspen. I can't think of anything else to say.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 05, 2018, 05:27:42 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 05, 2018, 07:24:36 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 06, 2018, 12:06:41 am
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 12:13:33 pm
Later that day - after your father leaves - you meet with Aethlan once more. He has heard the news and understands that he needs to be dismissed. He asks but for one kiss to end your relationship.
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You restrain yourself from pulling him into a room. This must end, and while your heart aches, and Aethlan looks like beaten puppy, you both know this is for good of Methiant.
1193 AD, Winter
Report from the Treasury; the currency replacement has caused the relative wealth of your coffers to diminish as to match the prices of the markets and goods. Time will tell if this will stop the inflation.
Economy rating lowered by 2.
You receive a letter from your father; Wihemina, her parents, and your dad will arrive in Spring to witness your marriage and spend some time around you (no doubt to keep an eye on you).
Meanwhile, silver and gold land in the Treasury; the gemstones are sent north with the caravan that takes their share of profits from the trade.
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The furs sold poorly amongst your noblemen, but profits are profits and you can't dismiss them.
1193 AD, Midwinter
A delegation of dwarves, with bald heads and colorful robes, have arrived, but led by no one else than Varsaalath Katinarag, High King of Dwarves!
King Katinarag is dressed in lengthy yellow robe, and his square hat is adorned with golden chains that fall upon his bearded cheeks, the beard itself reaching his knees and braided using a golden rope; he would be quite respectful looking if not for the fact that, even for dwarven royalty standards, he is very obese. The High King of Dwarves is guarded by eight dwarves clad in purple and with armor made of alloy that shines all the time, even if no light's falling on the metal.
While the High King looks rather jovial fellow, his diplomats are looking rather unsure of themselves, and the purple-clad guards are staring at you as if readying themselves to behead you at moment's notice.
"Young Emperor Yoe IV of the human Empire of Methiant. What a pleasure to visit you, even if the reason for my personal leaving of Metafenith isn't very much pleasing." He clasps his hands and steps forward before your throne.
"There has been accident in one of my subjects' halls, and of which results have spilled, unfortunately, upon the fertile lands of your domain. As we're both aware of the accident I'm speaking about, can we begin our negotiations outside of public eye - of course, sufficiently protected by our respective guards?"
In the corner of your eye, you see the figure of Spymaster hiding behind one of the pillars in the corner of throne hall.
A) "Diplomacy is about trust and honest deals, not scheming in side chambers. We will negotiate here."
B) "I will talk to you after your people will pay for the grief and death they caused my subjects, not before!"
C) "That sounds good for me. Let's go."
D) "Please wait a moment, I need to speak with my advisor there." (Get the Spymaster here!)
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
Sure.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 06, 2018, 12:26:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 06, 2018, 12:30:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 06, 2018, 12:31:38 pm
I can't remember having a chance to consult the Spymaster first, I wonder what's going on?
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 12:37:08 pm
In the scroll, there's information on the remains of Doombox; it has been most definitely moved to Zonalath in Rainbow Lizard Mountains. Also, people living around the citadels of Zasitost and Zonalath have given up information that dwarves have began massing troops inside the citadels for last two months.
With this information, you decide to...
A) Finally begin negotiations with the High King in a secluded area.
B) Demand he explains the things written in this report!
C) Offer to negotiate in the audience room, before your loyal courtiers.
D) Turn down the offer to negotiate, until the dwarves pay for damages done to Methiant.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 12:40:02 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 06, 2018, 12:41:07 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2018, 12:41:22 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 06, 2018, 12:41:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 06, 2018, 12:47:52 pm
We have the candle, and a number of military artifacts. Also a large army. I'm honestly curious as to what his true intentions are, and I think he is most likely to reveal them in private. Unless this is an elaborate assassination attempt, with a fake envoy. Still, we have magic sword, a palace full of guards, and shadowranks to help protect us. Also a martial trait. I think we can do this.
Post by: Basil ii on August 06, 2018, 12:50:30 pm
We have the candle, and a number of military artifacts. Also a large army. I'm honestly curious as to what his true intentions are, and I think he is most likely to reveal them in private. Unless this is an elaborate assassination attempt, with a fake envoy. Still, we have magic sword, a palace full of guards, and shadowranks to help protect us. Also a martial trait. I think we can do this.i am still nervous remember last time we had a war with the dwarfs? To be fair we do have a fair chance of winning.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 06, 2018, 12:51:29 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 06, 2018, 01:09:36 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2018, 01:10:55 pm
EDIT: Might not be a bad idea to ask whether our father can sit in on this one as well. Sounds like we're heading for a crisis...
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Varsaalath Katinarag rather unceremoniously pulls up two chairs to sit down at, unshamed by his weight apparently. He clasps his hands and smiles.
"Well, here we are to negotiate, and negotiate I want."
"For what?"
"For compensation for damages my subjects have done to you. Since the death of my beloved cousin, Damacid, I've decided to mimick his policies and open our people towards your people. After all, we both love metals and commerce - a natural trading partners we are! Souring our relationship will bring neither of us profits, yes."
You decide to...
A) Ask for an artifact as a payment for the toxic smoke of Ankurvat.
B) Ask for the lands of Ankurvat as a payment for its disasterous mists.
C) Ask for a ton of money to compensate your people for Ankurvat Disaster.
D) Inquire about the troops' movement and relocation of Doombox, as written in Spymaster's report.
F) Demand an explanation about the Doombox, its failure, and experiments that caused it.
Post by: Basil ii on August 06, 2018, 01:16:36 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 06, 2018, 01:18:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 01:22:14 pm
He wants to cooperate. He is preparing to go to war with somebody. Depending on his target (plz be Damdamians) we could have a military ally on our hands.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 06, 2018, 01:23:51 pm
But if his explanation is satisfactory, as I predict it will be, we should go for the land.
Post by: Rockeater on August 06, 2018, 01:24:35 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on August 06, 2018, 01:26:20 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2018, 01:26:51 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 06, 2018, 01:27:49 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 06, 2018, 01:33:26 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 06, 2018, 01:34:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 01:35:53 pm
D
But if his explanation is satisfactory, as I predict it will be, we should go for the land.
C. I feel like lands would be considered an insult, as likely would knowing something we're not supposed to. As well we just lost that chunk of economy, so it'll be nice as a buffer.
They snoop on us all the time, enough to know about our non-dwarven artifacts. A little bit of Intel gathering between nations should be expected.
I agree that asking for thee land might be insulting though.
Asking for a bunch of cash might also be a bad idea. Huge influxes of money would just feed our inflation problem.
Ergo, if the explanation is satisfactory, we should ask for an artifact. Perhaps they could remake the succession staff, or give us some armor to go with our sword.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 06, 2018, 02:08:43 pm
I'm saying D mostly because he's trying not to make the first offer. We can play that game, too.
With the magic candlestick I don't think the toxic mists would actually prevent us from taking over Ankurvat . . . but if they have the box elsewhere, perhaps they can control it as well. It's worth a try as our opening offer if we must go first, expecting he'll want to talk us down from whatever we say.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 06, 2018, 02:13:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 02:25:14 pm
What I'd really like, if Haspen allows it, is the option to incorporate the dwarven settlement into the Empire, allowing our subjects to intersettle with the dwarves. We need to work on that sort of thing again.
I'm guessing we have a bit more trust to build before that is feasible.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 06, 2018, 02:32:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 02:44:29 pm
Yeah, the time skip said our relationship has been repaired but I'm still skeptical that they had so much trouble finding the artifact thief.
Wizards and Sorceresses are both higher than dwarves on the magic totem pole, and can likely thwart their runesmiths.
A wizard might have stolen our stuff because he was mad about our patronizing Sorceresses.
A sorceress might have done it because somebody paid her.
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2018, 03:26:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 06, 2018, 03:26:54 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2018, 03:29:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 06, 2018, 03:42:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 03:48:05 pm
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You ask about troop movements and relocation of Doombox. The High King of Dwarves hums for a moment, rubbing his braided beard thoughtfully.
"The Doombox was relocated for safety reasons; last thing my runesmiths wanted to see was for Doombox's remains fall into hands of some adventurers, looters or even worse. As for military build-up, well - your predecessors had a tradition of both stubborness and hair-trigger temper sometimes, so it was more of a precaution. I assure you, if we are successful in these negotiations, our soldiers will disperse."
"Let's talk business, now. It is what I came here for, all the way from Metafenith!"
A) "Hard cash will do nicely to repay for damages done during this disaster."
B) "Valuable lands of Ankurvat is what I deem a fair price."
C) "A nice artifact will be more than enough to repay for the toxic spill."
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 03:48:54 pm
Cash will cause inflation and land will piss them off.
Post by: Prophet on August 06, 2018, 03:50:05 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 06, 2018, 03:50:36 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2018, 03:53:55 pm
So, worth a try.
B
Post by: Basil ii on August 06, 2018, 03:54:59 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 06, 2018, 03:59:28 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 04:02:01 pm
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Varsaalath Katinarag laughs.
"Dear boy, you think I will turn over the precious lands of my people for this? No, you've gone too far. I will make a counter-offer; money equivalent of your silver mines' output in span of a year. Yes, that is what I would call a fair price."
A) "Can we talk this over? I'm sure we can think of a better deal."
B) "That is a fair price, indeed."
C) "That amount of money is simply unsatisfactory, I want more."
D) "Pshaw! This has been waste of time!"
Post by: Criptfeind on August 06, 2018, 04:03:48 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 06, 2018, 04:05:05 pm
How much they were making once or should be actually making? No idea :P
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 06, 2018, 04:06:16 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 06, 2018, 04:10:05 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2018, 04:11:08 pm
Might not be a bad idea to do so.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 06, 2018, 04:11:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 06, 2018, 04:13:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 04:17:36 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 06, 2018, 04:19:22 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 06, 2018, 04:19:41 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 06, 2018, 04:24:51 pm
Post by: Imic on August 06, 2018, 05:15:08 pm
... Fine.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 06, 2018, 05:38:38 pm
Post by: omada on August 06, 2018, 05:49:52 pm
we should use this chance to talk with the high king about the damdamian culture and the possibility of a war... and give him a springwine as a gift to our "guest", maybe he can make him come more to our lands and make their nobility more amicable to us
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2018, 05:56:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 06, 2018, 06:05:07 pm
B Let's not risk into angering him, we might have a war against the damdamian soon
we should use this chance to talk with the high king about the damdamian culture and the possibility of a war... and give him a springwine as a gift to our "guest", maybe he can make him come more to our lands and make their nobility more amicable to us
+1
Post by: Basil ii on August 07, 2018, 12:07:40 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 07, 2018, 03:21:12 am
we should use this chance to talk with the high king about the damdamian culture and the possibility of a war... and give him a springwine as a gift to our "guest", maybe he can make him come more to our lands and make their nobility more amicable to usthat just might work We should slowly but steadily warm ourselves up with the dwarfs to get them in a economic relationship.
Post by: Haspen on August 07, 2018, 09:44:02 am
bbbbbbbbbbbb
You accept the counter-offer and the Dwarven High King claps his hands, smiling widely.
The contract is written down in two copies of course, one of the dwarves and one for your Empire. The High King doesn't seem to be here to do much else, what do you do?
A) Pry for information about the Doombox experiments that caused its catastrophic failure in Ankurvat.
B) Inquire about some trade deals with the dwarves of the West.
C) Bid him farewell and go for a snack.
D) Offer a joint war against the vile xenophobic Damdamians.
E) Ask about some closer cooperation between Methiant and Dwarves that doesn't involve fighting or trading.
Post by: Basil ii on August 07, 2018, 09:45:30 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 07, 2018, 09:54:40 am
Joint exploration and settlement of Orcworld go!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 07, 2018, 10:03:34 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 07, 2018, 10:13:23 am
Post by: Haspen on August 07, 2018, 10:14:27 am
why do I have the feeling this somehow ends with the two kings in bed
/me writes that down too.
:3c
Post by: mightymushroom on August 07, 2018, 10:36:35 am
Joint cooperation can begin with a few fewer secrets now that we've already signed the class action settlement.
(It's not like we're going to be able to steal dwarf magic, but we do have an interest in what they may have learned about the Doombox and by extension the Ur-Uk.)
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 07, 2018, 10:44:37 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 07, 2018, 10:53:04 am
/me writes that down too.Well, if you're going to write that down, I should tell you that my "headcanon" is that the dwarves are hermaphroditic, so that may be a worse idea for Yoe IV than he thinks. :P
:3c
Post by: Basil ii on August 07, 2018, 10:59:24 am
or better ;) time to write a fanfic folks about a dashing young king and the love of his life./me writes that down too.Well, if you're going to write that down, I should tell you that my "headcanon" is that the dwarves are hermaphroditic, so that may be a worse idea for Yoe IV than he thinks. :P
:3c
Post by: birdy51 on August 07, 2018, 11:06:47 am
Let's have joint operation and secrets. Secrets! All to ourselves!
Post by: Prophet on August 07, 2018, 11:12:18 am
Post by: helmacon on August 07, 2018, 12:29:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 07, 2018, 01:28:21 pm
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Unfortunately, you fail in your endeavour. After some pleasant chit-chat, the High King and his entourage leave.
Few days later the royal family expands once more! Your uncle Deathan's second son, Houlandin, was borne into this world.
1193 AD, Late Winter
You furrow your brows a little bit.
"Designate a heir? Isn't it a little early for that?" The Advisor smiles as the courtiers gathered behind him stare at you expectantly.
"My liege, it is of utmost importance for a ruler to have a heir. And the court, while confident in your bedroom abilities, would rather have your successor set in writing, till of course you get a child of your own, in case any... legal problems should arise."
It seems that your courtiers aren't willing to wait a year.
Who will it be?
A) My older sister, Princess Cylia.
B) My younger sister, Princess Ciri.
C) My father, King Cyl of Cydwyl.
D) My aunt, Odiana of Cydwyl.
E) My cousin, Llewyn, son of late King Erik of Cydwyl.
F) My cousin, Tolin, son of late King Erik of Cydwyl.
G) My cousin, Aron, son of late King Erik of Cydwyl.
H) My distant aunt, Eiri, daughter of Yoe III.
I) My distant uncle, Hein, son of Yoe III.
J) My distant uncle, Deathan, son of Yoe III.
K) My 2nd cousin Feir, son of Hein and Irvalina of Eldrican.
L) My 2nd cousin Jacor, son of Hein and Irvalina of Eldrican.
M) My 2nd cousin Rubert, son of Hein and Irvalina of Eldrican.
N) My 2nd cousin Una, daughter of Hein and Irvalina of Eldrican.
O) My 2nd cousin Duach, son of Deathan and Aurelia of Damdamia.
P) My 2nd cousin Houlandin, son of Deathan and Aurelia of Damdamia.
Q) My 2nd cousin once removed, Sigurd, son of Jacor and Helga of Helliste.
R) My grandmother, Eirika, wife of late King Cidric of Cydwyl.
Spoiler: Current Yoean Dynasty tree (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 07, 2018, 01:30:32 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 07, 2018, 01:31:54 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 07, 2018, 01:32:07 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 07, 2018, 01:32:18 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 07, 2018, 01:33:07 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 07, 2018, 01:40:58 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 07, 2018, 01:45:18 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 07, 2018, 02:21:56 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 07, 2018, 02:28:41 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 07, 2018, 02:31:37 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 07, 2018, 02:41:10 pm
They don't like queens in the north.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 07, 2018, 03:04:32 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 07, 2018, 03:55:16 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 07, 2018, 04:13:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 07, 2018, 04:32:31 pm
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You name your father, King Cyl of Cydwyl, as your heir. This will no doubt cause some legal consternation in both nations, but your word is law.
1193 AD, End of the Year
You dread the moment in which the Advisor comes in to present you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status. How bad was the Empire affected by your scandal and the currency reevaluation?
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Happiness: 4
Population: 4
Economy: 2
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: -2
Inflation: 1/8 (+1)
You grimace rather hard.
"Sire, your authority and happiness of the people are very low; the state of the Empire didn't let your Statesmen or the Crown to mend that. What's the most pressing issue at the moment is the Imperial Treasury. Some courtiers do recognize the fact that our Army is keeping its full budget intact, and are wondering if it should be slashed for a year. Some call for extra taxes for peasants as an emergency measure."
A) "We can cut down Army's budget for a year, it's not doing any fighting anyways."
B) "Budget cuts for the Army plus taxes should get us back into green in no time!"
C) "Just raise taxes for a year and we will be fine."
D) "We do not need such extreme measures yet!"
"It is a pity that people believe the Emperor's office to be so weak. They might not like an Edict, but perhaps you wish to issue one?"
A) "Of course, it's my inaugural Edict after all!"
B) "Let's keep it quiet for the time being."
"Also, the Cartographers have updated the Royal Map and here it is." The Advisor shows you the big-ass scroll.
Spoiler: Imperial Methiantese Map, 1193 AD (click to show/hide)
Post by: crazyabe on August 07, 2018, 04:35:03 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 07, 2018, 04:37:11 pm
AB
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 07, 2018, 04:37:19 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 07, 2018, 04:38:27 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 07, 2018, 04:38:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 07, 2018, 04:56:24 pm
A
I don't recommend peasant taxes with Happiness at 4. But the trade commission was dismantled during the time skip, we can put the Passage Tax back in place for income.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 07, 2018, 05:03:52 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 07, 2018, 05:10:05 pm
Passage Tax is one point (indefinitely) and doesn't directly hurt our low happiness.
Dwarf money is coming either way, what's that got to do with preserving happiness?
Post by: Prophet on August 07, 2018, 05:14:58 pm
B
Post by: Weirdsound on August 07, 2018, 05:15:57 pm
Voting for temporary taxes is one point (this year) and makes people unhappy.
Passage Tax is one point (indefinitely) and doesn't directly hurt our low happiness.
Dwarf money is coming either way, what's that got to do with preserving happiness?
Trying to pass an edict that already proved disastrous in the past with -2 authority seems more dangerous than taking a tick off our happiness.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 07, 2018, 05:18:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 07, 2018, 05:25:59 pm
That said, the passage tax did seem to cause more issues then it was worth.
Post by: omada on August 07, 2018, 07:56:32 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 01:38:46 am
Post by: helmacon on August 08, 2018, 08:13:04 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 08:23:31 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 08, 2018, 08:26:04 am
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 10:23:15 am
cb
aa
db db db db db
Weh, a tie >:V
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 10:38:56 am
Somebody switch to DB. I think we can afford it.
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 10:56:47 am
We have iron profits and dwarf money coming in. We also likely won't take another -2 due to our currency meddling this year.i will do it DB
Somebody switch to DB. I think we can afford it
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 11:27:52 am
1194 AD, Spring
True to their word, the dwarves (from Zasitost), fetch you several wagons of silver which, as your Treasurer computed, indeed equal a yearly output of Methiantese silver mines.
The dwarves are given a stamped letter in which you acknowledge their fulfilment of the deal, and the dwarves leave without further ado.
Few days later a grand procession of Cydwyllian nobles arrive, along with your new wife, Wihemina!
The girl is pretty, you have to admit. Unlike most of northerners, her hair is black, and she has a bright skin, steel-blue eyes and it wouldn't be a lie if you said her breasts are one of largest you have seen so far in your short life.
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The ceremony proceeds without incident, fortunately.
Later that night, Wihemina wears down your loins because of what she coerced you to do - experimental with about thirty-some, rather taxing yet, strangely satisfactory performances from this 'Book of Pleasure' she has taken from her mother's library (and the book demanded participation from various body parts, from nipples to toes!). By the time you call for truce, the sun is already up and shining down upon the Empire with all its glory.
Her parents leave a week later, your father stays to watch over you a while longer.
1194 AD, Mid-Spring
The report presented by the Quartermaster of the Army is a great worry on your mind; apparently, he has been writing down a general report on the Army's doing and it seems that your soldiers aren't what they're used to be. Sure, Methiantese Army is still the best Army - at least in the minds of its own officers! Training regimen was lax as of late, new recruits unruly and stubborn, and budgetary concerns of the officers was mostly food, capes, fancy hats and other provisions rather than sharp steel and sturdy armor.
You decide to...
A) Fire the Quartermaster, he is belitting the name of our great Army!
B) I cannot let this low standard of Army to prevail - it's time for a shake-up!
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 08, 2018, 11:31:10 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 11:31:45 am
A is tempting, because I'd hate to be attacked mid shakeup, but Methiant must have the best army.
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 11:41:59 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 08, 2018, 11:46:43 am
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 11:57:01 am
1194 AD, Late Spring
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Garrisons across Methiant refuse to be subject to purges! There has been several armed revolts in Ceodwell and Felonsein (with numerous dead and wounded), and armed resistance to your policy is mounting up at border with Lametania, where resistance to your shake-up is the strongest. Few keeps already have been overtaken by the disloyal scum that once called itself your soldiers!
A) Try to negotiate with the rebels, they must see the light of my decision!
B) Fight fire with fire - send in the loyal Army troopers to kill the rebels!
C) Maybe the purging was a bad idea. I can still back out of it, right? Right?
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 11:58:01 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 08, 2018, 11:59:32 am
Post by: Prophet on August 08, 2018, 11:59:43 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 12:06:14 pm
The smart move would be to beg Haspen to allow us to send our Charismatic father to sort this mess out. But personally leading the army to stamp out resistance will be good for our reputation.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 08, 2018, 12:08:50 pm
I mean, the shitty corrupt and bad at being an army parts of the army are rebelling. It can't be that hard right.
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 12:46:08 pm
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The loyal soldiers, outraged that their colleagues would turn their backs on such a proud and militaristic dynasty like Yoean, fight thrice harder to restore the Army's reputation. Thousands die, of course, but the rebel pockets are destroyed within a month!
1194 AD, Summer
During reevaluation, a certain young trader-turned-accountant in the Treasury has came up with a novel but potentially very controversional idea; he has noted that noblemen with holdings and Methiantese earn quite a lot, but because they usually keep their households and families small, the usual tax received by the Treasury from these rich guys is rather small.
Therefore, this Aide of Treasury, Beor Gaiwonn is his name, is proposing that the Crown establishes a new tax what would be called 'Scaling Tax' - a certain percentage tax that would affect certain men who earn certain amount of money, and would take a certain but equal part of money from them (he proposes 5%).
The senior officials in the Treasury and most of the courtiers are opposed to this, however, citing traditional priviledges, low stability in the country and simple absurdism of punishing those who are successful in life with an additional tax!
A) But think of the profits! I shall stamp the approval of this Scaling Tax at once!
B) That sounds like an abhorrent idea. Mister Beor is abhorrent. Remove him from my Court!
C) Maybe later it could be a better time for this, but now, I shall pass on this tax.
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 08, 2018, 12:48:19 pm
Let's hold it until after the merging with the north
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 12:49:29 pm
Not the time.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 08, 2018, 12:50:41 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 08, 2018, 12:52:42 pm
C
Let's hold it until after the merging with the north
Then we can pass individual rights and a graduated income tax at the same time and weaken the nobility at the same time.
Post by: Prophet on August 08, 2018, 12:55:35 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 08, 2018, 01:02:26 pm
Shame this idea didn't come up in our mothers time.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 08, 2018, 01:03:07 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 01:08:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 01:13:16 pm
1194 AD, Midsummer
Your father decides to return home, seeing that you haven't embroiled yourself in another scandal. Your wife, seemingly exhausted from your mutual 'championship tourneys' every night, decides to frequent your bedroom less than usual.
1194 AD, Autumn
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Glasswork and Springwine sales brought similar profits, while Spices had better sales compared to last year. Aromatic t'chai leaves however soothed the minds of your upset peoples, and brought quite some profits as well.
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Her lips are like softest pastries, her breasts akin to large, juicy fruits, and her body's heat explains that she is well attracted to you.
Of course we're not talking about your wife, but about this young noble girl. One day your gaze fell upon her buttocks, and then you saw her gaze look you up and down. Took you but few hours to corner her in remote part of the palace, and you two has been locked in hot, comprimising position for a while now, in this dusty storeroom, on this sturdy low table.
As she makes sounds of total pleasure under your careful, steady movements, a brief thought sparks in your mind, which is...
A) That I should stop at once and send her away!
B) That a mistress on the side only befits an Emperor!
C) That she makes a better wife than Wihemina already!
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 01:15:42 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 08, 2018, 01:17:42 pm
B - Harem ho!
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 01:18:30 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 08, 2018, 01:19:57 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 01:20:04 pm
Ahahaha! Harem ho!cyl would soooo mad I don’t intend to cause further legitimacy problems.
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 08, 2018, 01:25:01 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 08, 2018, 01:26:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 01:28:52 pm
I'd rather risk taking that roll with our wife, who has to have known what she was signing up for, than this random noble who will almost surely throw a fit and take this matter public if we send her away here and now and roll poorly.
Changing to B.
Post by: Rockeater on August 08, 2018, 01:35:11 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 08, 2018, 01:37:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 01:40:31 pm
She slaps you, hisses that you were using her to sate your primal urges, and leaves in a huff.
Few hours later, you return to your wife. Wihemina, embroidering a small tunic, looks at you for two brief moments before returning to her work.
"Have you been busy much today, Yoe?" She asks, not taking her eyes away from the fabric. You sweat while your northern wife calmly works on the cloth. Does she know? Did she send the noble girl to test you? Oh gods, did she plan this??
A) I ain't done a
B) Admit what you've done.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 08, 2018, 01:41:04 pm
She knew what she was getting into when she married us.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 08, 2018, 01:42:01 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 08, 2018, 01:45:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 08, 2018, 01:46:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 01:47:22 pm
Also, "small tunic"?
Looks like we have a bun in the oven.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 08, 2018, 01:49:24 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 08, 2018, 01:50:09 pm
dear God. Why are we so bad at this...
Post by: mightymushroom on August 08, 2018, 01:51:13 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 08, 2018, 02:03:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 08, 2018, 02:24:11 pm
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"Well, I understand that you're an uncontrollable enthusiast of bodily pleasures. I've heard the rumors but today's betrayal hurts nonetheless." She stops her work and gives you a death glare worthy of an archnemesis.
"Don't ever do that again, or else." She threatens.
You decide to...
A) Calmly and politely refuse to be ordered around by your wife.
B) Reason with her that for your mental 'health', some side 'fun' is absolutely necessary.
C) Agree with her and once more swear loyalty (with a sweet serenade on top).
Post by: Rockeater on August 08, 2018, 02:28:09 pm
Do we realy want crown authoroty any lower?
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 08, 2018, 02:29:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 08, 2018, 02:31:46 pm
B
She seems to understand what's going on, at least, maybe we can make an arrangement.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 08, 2018, 02:32:56 pm
I dunno.
It could go really bad though. Maybe this is a chance to remove the negative trait from ourselves? That's happened before... But we just have no idea.
Post by: ZBridges on August 08, 2018, 02:52:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 08, 2018, 02:54:40 pm
I wish we had an option to consult with priests of the love/marriage gods on these matters. We are clearly powerless to control ourselves, and should turn to a higher power.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 08, 2018, 02:57:08 pm
She stops her work and gives you a death glare worthy of an archnemesis.
Either that or our wife is about to 'suggest' we try on some 'underclothes' she just ordered from the blacksmith . . .
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 08, 2018, 03:01:23 pm
What the "harem faction" don't get about building a stable harem is that your concubines have to actually want to be in a harem. You all should've tried to hold out for a hedonist wife first.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 08, 2018, 03:21:08 pm
As is we can just be unhappy.
C
Post by: helmacon on August 08, 2018, 03:47:36 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 08, 2018, 07:05:56 pm
Post by: omada on August 08, 2018, 08:42:18 pm
Later that night, Wihemina wears down your loins because of what she coerced you to do - experimental with about thirty-some, rather taxing yet, strangely satisfactory performances from this 'Book of Pleasure' she has taken from her mother's library (and the book demanded participation from various body parts, from nipples to toes!). By the time you call for truce, the sun is already up and shining down upon the Empire with all its glory.
Emperor Cyl "the oyster eater" would be proud
some posts later...
GOD DAMN DOGE
Post by: Baffler on August 08, 2018, 11:52:46 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 09, 2018, 07:33:54 am
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You swear loyalty to her (and her bedchamber) and sweeten the promise with a hastily made serenade.
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It seems to have soothed her worries and her anger, for she forgives you after you're done singing.
1194 AD, Mid-Autumn
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The Spymaster bumps into you and tips his hat.
"An urgent report from my agents in Sim Empire, my liege. They've obtained information about possible invasion of Parsia by the Gubtans, and their Sim Emperor. Mahjar Sim apparently is using the money obtained from Methiant to fund troops and mercenaries, as well as sway noblemen and priests to support his plans."
As for Simians themselves, you decide to...
A) Thank the Spymaster for this information and let him return to his work.
B) Preemptively declare war against the Sim Empire!!
C) Write a letter to Sim Emperor in which you hope that cooperation will thrive forever between Sim Empire, Methiant, and Methiantese allies like Parsia.
As for funds being sent into Simian Treasury...
A) We need those trade goods of theirs!
B) Let's stop buying t'chai leaves to make them think about this.
C) Let's stop buying spices to make them think about this.
D) Stop all trade with this warmongering Mahjar Sim at once!
As for warning of the Parsians...
A) Obviously, we can't keep them in the dark!
B) There's no need to.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 07:37:33 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 09, 2018, 07:49:39 am
I smell a chance for intrigue, and possible gains against the Sim Empire if they strike against the Parsians. We just have to hope that the Damedians aren't planning something... But if we support the Parsians now, they might support us in that war as well.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 07:52:22 am
I smell a chance for intrigue, and possible gains against the Sim Empire if they strike against the Parsians. We just have to hope that the Damedians aren't planning something... But if we support the Parsians now, they might support us in that war as well.what do we need parsia for the new Gupta has all we need and far more resources than that of parsia could ever hope to have.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 09, 2018, 07:54:25 am
Better for Parsia to stay independent than let them get eaten by the Sim.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 08:10:42 am
Better for Parsia to stay independent than let them get eaten by the Sim.parsia has constantly been a pain in our butt while Gupta or at least new Gupta has been actually somewhat decent and we need manpower in huge amounts to combat the republic.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 09, 2018, 08:46:57 am
Post by: omada on August 09, 2018, 08:56:59 am
altough we don't want a war against gutba, we better try to make them focus on the damdamians
parsia has constantly been a pain in our butt while Gupta or at least new Gupta has been actually somewhat decent and we need manpower in huge amounts to combat the republic.
This is a short time strategy, if gutba gets bigger he becomes a higher threat to us, after they get the ketton clothes the parsians have (or even beguin to use those phalataract that I ALWAYS forget how to spell) maybe we will get less important to them and it will become easier to get squished by those giants surrounding us
The gutban need only one crazy leader to turn from allies to our doom
Maybe the parsians even decide to flock under our banner to make sure they aren't going to get squished by another war, or just pay us in silver/ketton cloth
Post by: Weirdsound on August 09, 2018, 09:04:35 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 09:18:31 am
first off all trade deals will keep them from attacking us you can check it somewhere in the spamlore thread there I made a post asking about it. And secondly they will not flock to our banners it they will want to maintain their independence and culture distinct from meathiant. And thirdly we need to not piss them off if the republic and the new Gupta enter into a alliance and we have only a satisfied parsia to pay for it then that is a bad deal.parsia has constantly been a pain in our butt while Gupta or at least new Gupta has been actually somewhat decent and we need manpower in huge amounts to combat the republic.
This is a short time strategy, if gutba gets bigger he becomes a higher threat to us, after they get the ketton clothes the parsians have (or even beguin to use those phalataract that I ALWAYS forget how to spell) maybe we will get less important to them and it will become easier to get squished by those giants surrounding us
The gutban need only one crazy leader to turn from allies to our doom
Maybe the parsians even decide to flock under our banner to make sure they aren't going to get squished by another war, or just pay us in silver/ketton cloth
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 09, 2018, 09:52:01 am
Parsia always betrays us, always, so let us return the favor by not telling them.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 09, 2018, 10:09:35 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 09, 2018, 12:54:00 pm
Let's use this to get Parsia further into the Methiantese banner. I bet they would accept being part of the Empire if we stop trying to screw them over in the deal like before cough.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 01:02:09 pm
Let's use this to get Parsia further into the Methiantese banner. I bet they would accept being part of the Empire if we stop trying to screw them over in the deal like before cough.WE screwing over them! They have constantly betraying us at every opportunity what could we gain from allying with parsia that Gupta could not give?.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 09, 2018, 01:06:45 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 09, 2018, 01:10:19 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 09, 2018, 01:23:31 pm
They've not done anything overtly treasonous, but they've certainly not been respectful and haven't helped us any. Over all, between them and Sim, I think sorta meh.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 09, 2018, 01:30:52 pm
All in all, we can't afford to help Parsia beyond warning them of the upcoming attack, and begging Emperor Sim to leave them alone.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 01:34:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 09, 2018, 01:49:57 pm
Here is the reason I am supporting Gupta over Parsia we really don’t need another pissed off southern imperial state coming for us I would like if they did not go to war but here we are we need to cut our losses and in the choice between a large and powerful empire and a somewhat large kingdom i am going to choose the empire.
Indeed. Hopefully they respond to our letter offering their side of the story in a way that let's us take their side.
If we do decide to betray Parsia, we could swoop in and seize the lands on our border while they are busy fighting the Sin Empire.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 09, 2018, 02:04:11 pm
Here is the reason I am supporting Gupta over Parsia we really don’t need another pissed off southern imperial state coming for us I would like if they did not go to war but here we are we need to cut our losses and in the choice between a large and powerful empire and a somewhat large kingdom i am going to choose the empire.The Sim empire won't help us in a war against the Republic though, they're not our allies. Although we don't currently have an alliance with Parsia, they're under our sphere of influence. I don't see how sacrificing a kingdom that's under our influence to an empire that's indifferent to us is going to help us.
Post by: crazyabe on August 09, 2018, 02:11:15 pm
CAB
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 02:14:44 pm
good plan in the purely theoretical event of a invasion what if when we size parsian land we can give some of the parts to Gupta ;seeing as it is his rightful land; and get rewarded maybe even a alliance and we don’t even have to deal with the inevitable parsian uprising it’s a win win.Here is the reason I am supporting Gupta over Parsia we really don’t need another pissed off southern imperial state coming for us I would like if they did not go to war but here we are we need to cut our losses and in the choice between a large and powerful empire and a somewhat large kingdom i am going to choose the empire.
Indeed. Hopefully they respond to our letter offering their side of the story in a way that let's us take their side.
If we do decide to betray Parsia, we could swoop in and seize the lands on our border while they are busy fighting the Sin Empire.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 09, 2018, 03:04:31 pm
good plan in the purely theoretical event of a invasion what if when we size parsian land we can give some of the parts to Gupta ;seeing as it is his rightful land; and get rewarded maybe even a alliance and we don’t even have to deal with the inevitable parsian uprising it’s a win win.
Okay, now I really don't understand: when and if Sim (Gubta no longer exists on the map, if you please) invades our sorta-client state Parsia, we also invade (calling it 'peacekeeping' or 'protection' probably) and then give the Parsian land we control to Sim?!? Why, oh why, should we expend our army and resources to spare Mahjar Sim's?
We already have multiple trade deals with Sim Empire to keep us friendly. If somehow they aren't enough – although they should be, they're funding these wars it seems – then giving away land to the currently most active expansionist only makes our position that much worse. Appeasement is not an answer to ambition. (Also, I'd have to review some of the really old Spamkingdom maps but I believe the Parsians do have the ancient claim to most if not all their current territory.)
The difference between Persia and the Sim Empire, is that while the Persians have been walked all over by many of their neighbors- us included, the Sim empire Kicked the shit out of the single biggest country in the area for stepping on their lawn, and to make it an even bigger thing- the people they kicked may soon invade us for not paying for a dead uncle who caused problems for everyone.
I think you've mixed up Sim's fight against Ysirenes (also our trading partners, BTW) with Damedian backup versus our quarrel with the Republic. Despite their mutual culture friendliness, Damedia is not the same political entity as the Damdamian Republic is not the same as the Holy Damdamian Empire.
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 03:17:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 09, 2018, 03:52:45 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 09, 2018, 03:57:27 pm
We had a rather contentious debate about the merits of expansion vs. rebellion back when we were the ones picking on Parsia; at that time we ended up respecting their self-rule (supposedly with us appointing third-highest official in their government to keep them close, even if we see them ignore our counsel more than we see them taking it). If you don't want a people mad at you – and the Parsians are pretty good at "honor" and grudges and ancient claims – don't invade them in the first place.oh no my desire to expand is greater than my fears of revolt is just think of them as solvable problems annoying ones but solveable.
Ps does anybody else think that a marriage with Gupta would be a good idea right about now?.
Post by: omada on August 09, 2018, 04:10:59 pm
I mean, one of our kids marrying? Yes it is, ourselves? no
plus, expansion isn't the BEST always, for now we need access to more mountains that we can gain through settlement policy so we can access more mines or developing our regions, with exotic agriculture, glasswork, trinkets to be sold or babymaking influences
expanding right now only means more land to defend, the only thing that parsia will give us is kotton cloth maybe and more lands to defend, sandy lands to defend which is hard for us to use our fireblood equipement
damn you gave me an idea
(haspen, what about an edict that give a "incentive" ($$) for our methiantese families for each boy other than [put here actual average number of kids] that reached adulthood and is participating of the army duties and other incentive for each daughter married that got their first kids or something like that to boost babymaking?, I know that the settlement policy should be helping to increase our population to 8 but it's too slow for us to notice a difference)
Post by: Baffler on August 09, 2018, 04:14:01 pm
We should be expanding North and West (and maybe South a bit too) rather than East, but it's better that we have our Eastern frontier be occupied by Parsia than Sim, doubly so if we're exerting some influence over them. Sim might be friendly now, but there's no guarantee that they'll stay that way, especially if they keep up their succession of expansionist rulers.
Post by: Basil ii on August 10, 2018, 12:04:03 am
Noi agree with you while I was writing that meant that our unmarried sister should marry but children works fine too it may even be better. Now that we are on the subject matter where should we marry her off?.
I mean, one of our kids marrying? Yes it is, ourselves? no
Post by: Haspen on August 10, 2018, 11:57:14 am
cab
caa caa caa caa caa caa caa caa
You write two letters; one in which you use flattery to express your hopes for eternal friendship between east and west. The other is a letter of warning to the Parsian court, telling them of your agents' findings and that they should prepare for possible war with Gubta.
1194 AD, Late Autumn
You receive a reply from Mahjar Sim.
It is a short letter in he assures you that Simian Empire owes much friendship to the Empire of Methiant for helping it recover from its lows and regain its ancient glory. For this, Mahjar Sim personally views Yoean Dynasty as friends for time eternal.
1194 AD, Winter
As the news of Queen Mother Eirika's death reach your palace, the Trade advisor presents you report on the profits made from fur trade.
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They were rather dissappointing. At least hard silver and golden coinage is made from the bullion.
Some courtiers wonder if you should visit Cydwyl on the occassion of Eirika's funeral.
A) I will send some courtiers as my representatives.
B) I will send my wife in my place.
C) I will go with most of my family and a grand entourage of hundred courtiers!
D) Eh, nah.
E) I will arrive with my wife, few important courtiers and some servants.
F) I will send a letter of condolences to the Cydwyllian court.
Post by: Basil ii on August 10, 2018, 11:58:55 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 10, 2018, 12:00:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 10, 2018, 12:03:56 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 10, 2018, 12:11:33 pm
Post by: omada on August 10, 2018, 12:29:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 10, 2018, 12:30:13 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 10, 2018, 12:39:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 10, 2018, 12:52:40 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 10, 2018, 02:10:59 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on August 10, 2018, 03:13:03 pm
Post by: Rockeater on August 10, 2018, 03:15:58 pm
You know that we're just going to shag the daughter of someone of importance there, right?We could shag somone here with the same odds
Post by: Weirdsound on August 10, 2018, 03:36:46 pm
You know that we're just going to shag the daughter of someone of importance there, right?
We do not know that.
We could, in fact, wind up shagging their son instead. :p
Also, it just dawned on me that our wife could wind up giving birth on this trip. If we interpret her knitting a small tunic during the scene we confessed our betrayal, she could be due very soon.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 10, 2018, 09:30:43 pm
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Post by: Haspen on August 11, 2018, 02:29:00 am
Next week, the funeral ceremony is over and the simple mourning feast begins.
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Maybe drinking so much of the dark, northern spirits wasn't the best idea. What was his name, Reingar? Yes, this beautiful son of the Cydwyllian family is named Reingar. It began innocently, when you two began a talk about politics. Then the spirits happened. Was it you who complimented his handsomeness first or was it him who commented that of all Methiantese men, you're the most beautiful?
You're not sure. But here you are, holding Reingar's hand and staring into his sparkling eyes - he just proposed that maybe certain topics, like 'joys of life' should be talked about in private. That soothing voice of his caused your hairs to stand up, and not only hairs for that matter.
A) NO! Bad dick, bad!
B) Just this once. I have my urges you know!
C) He will be my 'connection' with the north. Get it? Ha ha.
I swear, this is the bestest negative trait I ever came up with <3
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 02:34:19 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 11, 2018, 02:52:30 am
Post by: Kashyyk on August 11, 2018, 02:55:41 am
Post by: ZBridges on August 11, 2018, 04:19:17 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 11, 2018, 04:23:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 11, 2018, 04:48:45 am
Honestly, this is more plain old lust than hedonism. >.>
Post by: Taricus on August 11, 2018, 05:44:50 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 06:08:08 am
Post by: Imic on August 11, 2018, 06:19:24 am
I swear, this is the bestest negative trait I ever came up with <3
Yeah, give us some non-lust things relating to hedonism dammit!
Does anybody else think that hedonism is the worst negative trait
Honestly, this is more plain old lust than hedonism. >.>A
Haspen, why are you doing this to us... WHYYYYYYY YOU MONSTER
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 06:35:49 am
geez man you don’t have to be rude about it if you disagree with us present your argument on why it’s bad. [sorry if you were sarcastic I just can’t see sarcasm online]I swear, this is the bestest negative trait I ever came up with <3Yeah, give us some non-lust things relating to hedonism dammit!Does anybody else think that hedonism is the worst negative traitHonestly, this is more plain old lust than hedonism. >.>Haspen, why are you doing this to us... WHYYYYYYY YOU MONSTER
Post by: mightymushroom on August 11, 2018, 07:14:50 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 11, 2018, 07:23:41 am
Does anybody else think that hedonism is the worst bad trait in comparison to the other bad traits we had in our family I mean houlandin I didn’t have it nearly as rough of a time as doge currently has?.
Houlandin I didn't live long enough for us to get the full effect of playing a Homosexual character.
I will say that Doge's hedonism seems worse than both of Cyl I' s negative traits combined. ...But on the other hand it would not be a big deal at all if we chose not to get married or were not in a position where our inheritance of of the North is contingent upon our good behavior.
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Post by: Criptfeind on August 11, 2018, 07:49:07 am
A
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 08:04:53 am
I think Haspen just really wanted to screw us around a bit and have fun with this character getting fucked over after the last character did so well but somewhat boringly, which is why it's so bad.now that I think about it we only had two decent characters the rest were a mix up between blindingly average and pure garbage.
Post by: Haspen on August 11, 2018, 08:12:03 am
The next day a messenger arrives with a letter from your court at Methe.
That bloodthirsty Mahjar Sim has declared war against Parsia, to reconquer the lawful Gubtan territories taken few decades ago by Shapur!
Your court is asking that you decide on Methiantese involvement and that you return quickly to the capital.
As for your return...
A) Duh!
B) Nah.
As for Methiantese involvement...
A) We will protect our Parsian friends! Mahjar Sim will regret this day! To war!!
B) I will write a letter in which I ask him to reconsider and turn his armies back, lest Methiant gets involved.
C) We won't be getting involved, Parsians are on their own now.
As for potential Cydwyl help...
A) Let's not drag Cydwyllians into this mess.
B) Let's find dad and ask him for Cydwyllian support also!
Post by: omada on August 11, 2018, 08:14:59 am
and SHHHHH, don't make him remember the other aspects of hedonism, otherwise we will attract other bad traits like "fat" or whatever
Let's not involve in this war, I don't know the state of our army and we will only get involved if the parsians deserve it or swear vassalage. he has a de jure casus belli afterall
BCA
(and god damn, that Sim is cleaning the empire's name, he is winning back every lost war)
Post by: mightymushroom on August 11, 2018, 08:18:35 am
Let's show off our other traits for a while.
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For me, it's less the messing-with-us factor of our negative trait as it is the frequency of its action that feels one-dimensional. Cyl I's reclusivesness, for comparison, came much later in his life and usually just meant one of the other adults in the palace dealt with the problem du jour: what was done was done, and often not too badly even though losing control of 'our' character was frustrating at the time. Yoe IV is having close to half his choices it seems be about his loins – 3 or 4 pop-ups per year about 'us' losing or barely keeping control – and I feel this is close to turning into SPAMHORNDOG: Don't Get Caught!. Granted the emperor's exploits have repercussions beyond his own bedroom, but my preference would be to dial back on how often these sorts of events appear if the prophecy regarding his long life means we're dealing with this trait for several decades. (Or at least give us a decent chance to more permanently deal with it, I wasn't entirely joking about buying him some underwear with a matching key for his wife.)
Post by: Haspen on August 11, 2018, 08:35:52 am
Let's say it was hormones ruling this year! :P
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 08:44:44 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 11, 2018, 08:44:57 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 11, 2018, 08:49:40 am
We can't afford to look weak and let Gubta screw OUR bitch, but let us not rush into things. Let's write a letter and give them a warning... Or better yet have our Charismatic father write the letter.
If the letter does not work, we should go to war. We should drag Cydwyll along, so that their skeptical leaders can witness our genius in battle.
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 08:52:16 am
We can't afford to look weak and let Gubta screw OUR bitch, but let us not rush into things. Let's write a letter and give them a warning...and what if the republic invades and forms a practically impossible to defeat
Post by: Prophet on August 11, 2018, 08:58:38 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 11, 2018, 09:06:08 am
I don't see how the Republic would form an alliance with Sim against Methiant, they've nothing in common and Sim is attacking Parsia, not Methiant, so how would Sim agree to an alliance against Methiant? Also the Republic sure is taking their time with invading us, they may just have wanted to extort us.We can't afford to look weak and let Gubta screw OUR bitch, but let us not rush into things. Let's write a letter and give them a warning...and what if the republic invades and forms a practically impossible to defeat alliance with Gupta? We need strong allies.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 11, 2018, 09:16:44 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 09:30:30 am
remember last time we met with the envoy we rolled a 2 I don’t think haspen will let us go with a slap to the wrist. maybe alliance was to strong of a word more like the consul of the republic notice that most of the meathaint army is away and it be a right time to press their issue with us and Gupta getting pissed of that we in their eyes betrayed them.I don't see how the Republic would form an alliance with Sim against Methiant, they've nothing in common and Sim is attacking Parsia, not Methiant, so how would Sim agree to an alliance against Methiant? Also the Republic sure is taking their time with invading us, they may just have wanted to extort us.We can't afford to look weak and let Gubta screw OUR bitch, but let us not rush into things. Let's write a letter and give them a warning...and what if the republic invades and forms a practically impossible to defeat alliance with Gupta? We need strong allies.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 11, 2018, 09:43:31 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 11, 2018, 09:44:03 am
They may be waiting for an opportunity, but that also means giving us time to prepare, also how would Sim see our intervention as betrayal? Outside of trade we have no treaties with them, meanwhile Parsia is under our sphere of influence, it is only just to defend our interests.remember last time we met with the envoy we rolled a 2 I don’t think haspen will let us go with a slap to the wrist. maybe alliance was to strong of a word more like the consul of the republic notice that most of the meathaint army is away and it be a right time to press their issue with us and Gupta getting pissed of that we in their eyes betrayed them.I don't see how the Republic would form an alliance with Sim against Methiant, they've nothing in common and Sim is attacking Parsia, not Methiant, so how would Sim agree to an alliance against Methiant? Also the Republic sure is taking their time with invading us, they may just have wanted to extort us.We can't afford to look weak and let Gubta screw OUR bitch, but let us not rush into things. Let's write a letter and give them a warning...and what if the republic invades and forms a practically impossible to defeat alliance with Gupta? We need strong allies.
Sending them a letter to reconsider their war might be enough to deter them, I don't think Sim is ready or willing to fight against 2 kingdoms and an empire known for its powerful military.
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 09:49:38 am
how would you react if your friends came to your lands to beat you up? I don’t know about you I would consider that a betrayal.
Post by: Imic on August 11, 2018, 09:59:19 am
I was agreeing with them, I- actually, Haspen just acknowledged the issue. I don't know what you thought I was saying, but it was probably not what I meant. I'm not good at communicating such things.geez man you don’t have to be rude about it if you disagree with us present your argument on why it’s bad. [sorry if you were sarcastic I just can’t see sarcasm online]I swear, this is the bestest negative trait I ever came up with <3Yeah, give us some non-lust things relating to hedonism dammit!Does anybody else think that hedonism is the worst negative traitHonestly, this is more plain old lust than hedonism. >.>Haspen, why are you doing this to us... WHYYYYYYY YOU MONSTER
ACA
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 10:00:56 am
sorry I ask for your forgiveness I too have problems communicating online.I was agreeing with them, I- actually, Haspen just acknowledged the issue. I don't know what you thought I was saying, but it was probably not what I meant. I'm not good at communicating such things.geez man you don’t have to be rude about it if you disagree with us present your argument on why it’s bad. [sorry if you were sarcastic I just can’t see sarcasm online]I swear, this is the bestest negative trait I ever came up with <3Yeah, give us some non-lust things relating to hedonism dammit!Does anybody else think that hedonism is the worst negative traitHonestly, this is more plain old lust than hedonism. >.>Haspen, why are you doing this to us... WHYYYYYYY YOU MONSTER
Post by: mightymushroom on August 11, 2018, 10:01:19 am
If Mahjar Sim is willing to have a polite diplomatic discussion about the exact placement of borders while our armies glare at each other we don't have to fight, but we already sent him one letter of warning that we didn't want him messing with Parsia. The guy needs to take a hint, and our 'great warrior' needs to flex his muscles.
how would you react if your friends came to your lands to beat you up? I don’t know about you I would consider that a betrayal.
Exactly, we asked our "friend" to back off and he didn't.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 11, 2018, 10:08:10 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 10:09:36 am
Switching to A A A as it seems more likely to pass and involving distant Cydwyl isn't a big deal.we really need to confront him preferably on the diplomatic side also if we are to invade we should do it while they are weakened by the war with parsia. Also what would be our war goals? Gupta is to large to directly annex if we have a total victory I would suggest balkanizing the entire state and make hordes of weak easily controllable satellite states.
If Mahjar Sim is willing to have a polite diplomatic discussion about the exact placement of borders while our armies glare at each other we don't have to fight, but we already sent him one letter of warning that we didn't want him messing with Parsia. The guy needs to take a hint, and our 'great warrior' needs to flex his muscles.how would you react if your friends came to your lands to beat you up? I don’t know about you I would consider that a betrayal.Exactly, we asked our "friend" to back off and he didn't.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 11, 2018, 10:11:12 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 10:15:20 am
You're not making a lot of sense. We're not going to invade Sim. We're going to defend our... Uh. Whatever Parsia is. Leech basically, since they never do anything for us.yes but we need something to show for it pissing of Gupta most be worth it I am not satisfied with only defending parsia it must be of equal value to the massive disadvantage that having a one more large southern state angry with us.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 11, 2018, 10:43:00 am
Parsia is worth the price, we can try to coerce them into becoming our vassal once the war has been won or averted. We're not going to piss of Sim by defending our interests, especially not if we've warned them not to attack Parsia.You're not making a lot of sense. We're not going to invade Sim. We're going to defend our... Uh. Whatever Parsia is. Leech basically, since they never do anything for us.yes but we need something to show for it pissing of Gupta most be worth it I am not satisfied with only defending parsia it most be of equal value to the massive disadvantage that having a one more large southern state angry with us.
Also changing to AAA
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 10:51:41 am
if we coerce them to become our vassal would they not start to hate us? And try to revolt when we are weak? I guess we could pull of another cydwyl and diplomatically annex them through marriage.Parsia is worth the price, we can try to coerce them into becoming our vassal once the war has been won or averted. We're not going to piss of Sim by defending our interests, especially not if we've warned them not to attack Parsia.You're not making a lot of sense. We're not going to invade Sim. We're going to defend our... Uh. Whatever Parsia is. Leech basically, since they never do anything for us.yes but we need something to show for it pissing of Gupta most be worth it I am not satisfied with only defending parsia it must be of equal value to the massive disadvantage that having a one more large southern state angry with us.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 11, 2018, 11:06:45 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 11, 2018, 11:11:34 am
We're asking them to become our vassals so we can better protect them from expansionistic aggressors like Sim. Further down the line they'd be peacefully integrated into the empire, like what Cydwyl did with Dahnia.vassal is such a harsh word how about protectorate?. You know what I am changing my vote AAA why because might as well go out with a bang instead of slowly rotting from the inside
Post by: auzewasright on August 11, 2018, 03:05:09 pm
We could "solve" the problem by marching into the capital and demanding that they submit to us, and we will drive out the invaders.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 11, 2018, 05:35:23 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 11, 2018, 07:42:15 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 11, 2018, 07:43:41 pm
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You decide to return at once, and before you even get to the capital, the Sim Empire is to receive declaration of war from Methiant!
A week later you arrive at your capital. Your wife of course, with her big belly, will remain here.
The Marshal salutes you during the first war council of this conflict.
"MY LIEGE! Shall you lead our men to glory and victory!?"
A) "Of course! And fetch the artifacts, too!"
B) "Of course!"
C) "I'm sure your commanders are competent enough."
Post by: Criptfeind on August 12, 2018, 07:45:54 am
Post by: auzewasright on August 12, 2018, 07:58:47 am
Post by: crazyabe on August 12, 2018, 09:08:11 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 12, 2018, 09:37:42 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 09:46:45 am
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Post by: Haspen on August 12, 2018, 11:06:18 am
You bid farewell to your wifey and promise to her that you will be back soon.
1194 AD, Late Winter
During the Army's march east, you've received several reports.
Firstly, Simians are employing both Damdamian mercenaries as well as soldiers wearing garments previously unencountered by your men. Secondly, they have many Oliphaunts, but those beasts are not armed with archers, they're carrying Blackhearts on their sturdy backs! Thirdly, the entire numbers of Simians seem to be reaching about fifteen thousand currently (mercenaries included). While Mahjar Sim is apparently not in charge of this invasion force, a renowned and very experienced Gubtan general, Ajarat Padarashka is present. With most of Methiantese Army at your side, you outnumber the Simians by about one-third of their horde.
Ajarat's army has already captured several cities, in which they've burnt down Parsian temples and slaughtered Parsian populace inside them, sparing the occassional Methiantese, Damdamian or Gubtan they find.
During the war council with your officers, it seems you have two ways to approach the conflict; rush for Ajarat before he does more damage, or go south, retake the cities and cut supply line of the Simian army.
A) We will strike at Ajarat Padarashka with our full might!
B) We can go fight Ajarat, but some troops ought to harass his supply lines.
C) We need to get more information first. Scouts, I choose you!
D) We will go south and undo Ajarat's work as soon as possible.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 12, 2018, 11:10:51 am
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Post by: Hotfire90 on August 12, 2018, 11:17:42 am
Post by: Prophet on August 12, 2018, 11:23:47 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 12, 2018, 11:35:14 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 11:54:28 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 12, 2018, 11:58:30 am
Post by: Haspen on August 12, 2018, 12:05:22 pm
A week later, your Army has the Simians within so-called sights, because the scouts report contact with the enemy.
As the day draws to a close, the scouts bring new report; Ajarat Padarashka has turned his forces west and stationed them on a hilly area. He is arranging his regiments in a clearly defensive position.
Your commanders believe if you were to push forward, the battle could occur before dawn tomorrow.
A) Ride! Ride forward! Make night the witness of our glorious victory!
B) We will strike in the morning!
C) We shall wait till morning and then see what happens!
D) I ought to invite him for negotiations and explain why he should leave Parsia at once, or else!
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 12, 2018, 12:06:24 pm
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2018, 12:07:15 pm
We have no desire to be hostile with Sim. But we can't let them go around conquering kingdoms in our sphere of influence.
Post by: crazyabe on August 12, 2018, 12:08:15 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 12, 2018, 12:09:59 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 12, 2018, 12:10:41 pm
Best have the men ready and prepared to fight.
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 12:11:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 12, 2018, 12:11:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 12, 2018, 12:15:20 pm
I don't think we can negotiate unless we have a clear upper hand, or Parsia has a representative present. Unless we are dictating a peace entirely on our terms, they will want some sort of concession from Parsia, which we are in no position to give them.
They are using Blackhearts, which are old-school fire-blood weapons. Our own guns should have longer range, so in theory we can blast at them from a safe distance until they are forced to break their defensive position and march at us.
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2018, 12:26:11 pm
It wouldn't be strange if, when presented with our army, they would agree to back down from Parsia.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 12, 2018, 12:26:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 12, 2018, 12:31:00 pm
The lone envoy's ride through the evening is a tense one; your scouts monitor the presence of his lit torch, but it seems that Simians are civilized enough, for he was not struck down.
You wait, and as the night progresses and the moon slowly climbs towards its highest point, the sentries report that the rider is returning, his torch lit.
The envoy kneels in front of you.
"Ajarat Padarashka is willing to negotiate, but tomorrow morning, after breakfast. He will take few dozen soldiers with him, for he have heard many tales about Methiant, and does not believe you can safeguard his life."
A) "I requested negotiations today! He refused, so we attack!"
B) "Very well, we will speak in the morning."
Your officers mention a certain possibility...
A) If he comes, we strke him down, and spread chaos in his army!
B) If he comes, we negotiate. Tis what I wanted!
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 12, 2018, 12:31:58 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 12, 2018, 12:32:02 pm
Come on, not ALL the stories you hear about Methiant are true!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 12, 2018, 12:32:45 pm
Post by: andrea on August 12, 2018, 12:36:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 12, 2018, 12:45:13 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 12, 2018, 12:46:24 pm
Post by: omada on August 12, 2018, 12:49:36 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 01:05:34 pm
Come on, not ALL the stories you hear about Methiant are true!
How dare he question Methiantese honor. >:(
The tales about our people are a bit wrongBB this is clearly a valid cause for war right here!. >:(/Sarcasm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 12, 2018, 01:35:26 pm
Our angle for negoiations: We understand the position and grievance of the Sim Empire. If Emperor Sim had brought this matter to us, we would have surely taken his side in the issue.
Instead he invaded Parsia, a nation under our sphere of influence, putting us in a tough position; If we do not defend it, I will look like a weak emperor, and Methiant will come across as a phony power.
With this in mind, Here is my proposal: Why should we throw out a profitable friendship and waste the two most mighty armies in human history fighting each over disputed borderland? I invite your emperor to name any nation that is not a friend or vassal of Methiant, and we will invade it together, splitting its wealth and land, each gaining many times more than the paltry amount that is at stake in this conflict. If your emperor specifically wishes to make the Parsians pay in blood, I shall drag them along on our joint conquest so that they may bleed for his cause.
Pass this message along to your Emperor, and withdraw from Parsia. You may hold one of the cities you have captured as insurance until negotiations are complete, and I will maintain some of my army in the region to prevent Parsia from trying to take it back. If Emperor Sim wishes to meet me face to face, he can do so on neutral ground at my sister Siri's upcoming wedding in Helliste. Otherwise I await his reply by envoy.
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 01:36:36 pm
Our angle for negoiations: We understand the position and grievance of the Sim Empire. If Emperor Sim had brought this matter to us, we would have surely taken his side in the issue.it’s better than no plan at all 1+
Instead he invaded Parsia, a nation under our sphere of influence, putting us in a tough position; If we do not defend it, I will look like a weak emperor, and Methiant will come across as a phony power.
With this in mind, Here is my proposal: Why should we throw out a profitable friendship and waste the two most mighty armies in human history fighting each over disputed borderland? I invite your emperor to name any nation that is not a friend or vassal of Methiant, and we will invade it together, splitting its wealth and land, each gaining many times more than the paltry amount that is at stake in this conflict. If your emperor specifically wishes to make the Parsians pay in blood, I shall drag them along on our joint conquest so that they may bleed for his cause.
Pass this message along to your Emperor, and withdraw from Parsia. You may hold one of the cities you have captured as insurance until negotiations are complete, and I will maintain some of my army in the region to prevent Parsia from trying to take it back. If Emperor Sim wishes to meet me face to face, he can do so on neutral ground at my sister Siri's upcoming wedding in Helliste. Otherwise I await his reply by envoy.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 12, 2018, 01:51:21 pm
A: U'S BAD MAN NOW FIGHT
B: OKAYS WE SURRENDER
C: DURRRR GET THE FUCK OUT BOIIII
Post by: omada on August 12, 2018, 01:57:54 pm
But whatever happens here we should invite the king of parsia for a private talk and say that we are done with their bullshit, if they need our help they should pay for protectorade or if their money is low supply us with something, be it tech like that weird warrior they used against us be it resources like ketton cloth or something
and don't dare they to just talk about "we are weak because you won the war" that everybody knows that we declared war because they entered started screwing other religions and non-parsian peoples under the banner of a warmongering fucker
Post by: Basil ii on August 12, 2018, 02:00:35 pm
We should remember him that Parsia entered our field of influence because we waged war on then when they declared war to Gutba trying to save their asses1+ also this when we meet the parsians
But whatever happens here we should invite the king of parsia for a private talk and say that we are done with their bullshit, if they need our help they should pay for protectorade or if their money is low supply us with something, be it tech like that weird warrior they used against us be it resources like ketton cloth or something
and don't dare they to just talk about "we are weak because you won the war" that everybody knows that we declared war because they entered started screwing other religions and non-parsian peoples under the banner of a warmongering fucker
Post by: mightymushroom on August 12, 2018, 02:03:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 12:01:15 pm
And lo! In the morning, Ajarat Padarashka arrives with entourage of soldiers. His turban-wearing men glare down at your cloaked Shadowcloaks, with reciprocation.
"So, Emperor of Methiant negotiates with the general of his friends. Truly an unfortunate situation we have here. We, the Simians, come to reclaim our lost lands and rescue our people from Parsian oppression, after Emperor Yoe assures of his friendship, but look! The Methiantese Army comes in full force, withotu doubt to stop us. Where's this friendship you wrote so assuredly to the most glorious Emperor of Sim, Mahjar Sim? If you were truly our friend, you would join in our endeavour so we would share in loot and territories." He sits down on the sand and crosses his legs.
"Sadly, that can't be a case anymore, now can it? We will sit and truly to avoid bloodshed, for I was ordered to conquer Parsia, not butcher friends from Methiant."
You tell him that...
A) He needs to wait till you get Parsian envoys to negotiate with him.
B) He needs to return to Sim and never threaten Parsia again.
C) He will have your help in conquering Parsia after all!
D) You hope he will have a glorious battle with you!
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 12:03:18 pm
[but when the inevitable voting tide comes I am probably going to change to A or B.]
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 12:03:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 13, 2018, 12:14:46 pm
Sim is a more valuable ally than Parsia.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 12:16:31 pm
Meh.
C
Post by: Prophet on August 13, 2018, 12:29:29 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 13, 2018, 12:52:12 pm
If we aren't going to be allowed to just make a backroom partition-of-africa-type deal which acknowledges that the only interest we really have in defending Parsia is keeping it as an informal vassal, we might as well go ahead and make it a real vassal this time.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 13, 2018, 12:54:37 pm
To whom then ought our loyalty fall?
B
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 13, 2018, 12:55:28 pm
Parsia has been nothing but a pain in the ass. The Gubtans, however, seem to have a lot of good stuff going in for them. They would make a truly worthy ally, instead of the helpless viper Parsia seems to be.
Additionally, iirc, the Simians only wish to reconquer some lost border territories. That leaves the rest up for grabs. So either:
The Simians conquer their lost territories and the rest of Parsia, growing bigger and hating us for ""betraying"" them
They leave the rest of Parsia be, and now both Parsia and Sim hate us for being unable to save them and intervening, respectively
We manage to beat the Simians, now they utterly despise us and and Parsia is suddenly "loyal" to us, though we saved their asses before and it barely did anything.
We divide and conquer Parsia with Sim, making us true allies, strengthening both ourselves and a friend, and showing the world what happens when you try fooling Methiant
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 12:57:27 pm
How can we keep our friendship unsullied when our newer friend orchestrates the massacre of our older friends in their temples?calling parsia our friend is a bit ahem off its more like a hostile neutrality .
To whom then ought our loyalty fall?
Post by: birdy51 on August 13, 2018, 01:00:06 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 01:01:47 pm
Can't say this a good idea as I bet it will cause huge-ass domestic uproar, but... Well. I don't like the Parsians enough to say anything for them either.from whom are we not a panthonist majory? And we don’t possess any marriage alliance with them so no
kin slaying or any other thing that would be breaking our religions laws so?.
Post by: omada on August 13, 2018, 01:19:38 pm
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Say that we are approaching a non-violent way to end this and then when we find the parsian envoy we say that we are done with their shit and they should pay for protectorate or become vassals if they are going to need us to solve their problem everytime
but then ask for exigencies, sim army should stop massacrating the population, let the parsian people leave their homes on the border territories and reunite with their parsians brothers.
And say that we are pissed that they are ignoring on purpose the motivations of our letter and screwing with a country where we were growing our sphere of influence, without negotiating with us first and because we are turning a blind eye to this offense they owe us now
Is eval paying their tributes? I don't remenber last time I read their name anywhere
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 01:25:48 pm
If we accept the general's idea to partition Parsia between us, we'll effectively give up all we gained from the last war with Parsia, which was putting them under our influence and making them pay tribute, we had the option then to fully annex them, but the former was chosen over the latter.
I don't think the nobles in cydwyl would be pleased to know that we chose to betray one of our (unofficial) allies.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 13, 2018, 01:27:50 pm
calling parsia our friend is a bit ahem off its more like a hostile neutrality .
Why do you call Parsia hostile? They've been sharing a border quietly since re-forming the country back in Cyl I's reign, when they negotiated a decent price (we're still using the glassworks!) for the parts of territory we held. The nearest thing I remember to being hostile was expelling the drunkard Saenn over an incident that he caused; in the war of Yoe III's time he was the aggressor in large part because his army was feeling antsy. This paranoid drive to, so to speak, "hit them back, first," is how Methiant and its rulers get a reputation as difficult to trust.
I honestly don't know how much the Sim thinks belongs to him, but if this general's orders are to conquer Parsia flat out then negotiation time is past – not least because Parsia itself has been expanding northward well beyond any historical extent of Gubta. In spite of spices and tchai, I trust Sim as a 'friend' less than I trust the Parsians.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 01:30:47 pm
the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We get to pick from whatever options Haspen gives us, including when the only option is "nothing." We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 13, 2018, 01:31:58 pm
Why are we now so willing to give Parsia away to Sim? They're under our sphere of influence and the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?Look, I agree with all this, but it's also clear that Haspen is not giving us the option to tell Sim that we've been working over Parsia (and, if we had annexed Parsia, I'd be willing to negotiate with Sim the cession of the lands he's claiming), so I think we just have to go with the option that is closest to giving us what we want.
If we accept the general's idea to partition Parsia between us, we'll effectively give up all we gained from the last war with Parsia, which was putting them under our influence and making them pay tribute, we had the option then to fully annex them, but the former was chosen over the latter.
I don't think the nobles in cydwyl would be pleased to know that we chose to betray one of our (unofficial) allies.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 01:32:21 pm
I'm sure we'll get an option to make them consider becoming our vassals, otherwise I'm voting in favour of full annexation.the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 01:36:18 pm
WHY would a people famous for their pride and memories accept being our vassals!? They never in the history of region actually thanked us for our aid other than showing a distaste for our religion and people remember when they oppressed the pantheonist and other faiths the parsian are just pain they always been a pain and they will be as long as they have their claims on our lands I really doubt that they have truly changed that much or will in the future.I'm sure we'll get an option to make them consider becoming our vassals, otherwise I'm voting in favour of full annexation.the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 13, 2018, 01:37:59 pm
WHY would a people famous for their pride and memories accept being our vassals!?.They almost did, once, but certain elements were obsessed with splitting the territory in half to prevent some imagined problems and blew the negotiation for the rest of us.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 01:39:02 pm
They might want to reconsider their initial response after we've saved them, and otherwise we'll just annex them, point is they'll become part of Methiant one way or the other.WHY would a people famous for their pride and memories accept being our vassals!?I'm sure we'll get an option to make them consider becoming our vassals, otherwise I'm voting in favour of full annexation.the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 01:39:25 pm
They didn't even send a messenger to us when we told them this was going to happen, or when they started to get genocided or as we marched our army all the way across their lands. If there was an option at the start of this war to enter it on the condition they become our vassal I would have voted for it, but Parsia has ignored us for 20 years as we defend them. Sim is the only one here actually reaching out with options for us.I'm sure we'll get an option to make them consider becoming our vassals, otherwise I'm voting in favour of full annexation.the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Look, it's great that you're sure that we'll get a specific option despite them showing no interest in such a thing and we not getting it last time something like this happened. Maybe it'll even happen. But Sim is actually making an offer we can actually take now.
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 01:47:00 pm
exactly remember when they tried to MURDER! all of our hurtlings? I really doubt that they would not have done the same if they came to the citizens of mainland methaint if they had the opportunity. Tell me what do you think that in a parsian victory they would have done to methiant native people oh I know killed them all and replaced them with parsians.They didn't even send a messenger to us when we told them this was going to happen, or when they started to get genocided or as we marched our army all the way across their lands. If there was an option at the start of this war to enter it on the condition they become our vassal I would have voted for it, but Parsia has ignored us for 20 years as we defend them. Sim is the only one here actually reaching out with options for us.I'm sure we'll get an option to make them consider becoming our vassals, otherwise I'm voting in favour of full annexation.the plan was to vassalize them once the war is over, so why exactly are we trying to betray Parsia now?
Because this isn't an option? We don't get to just pick what happens to Parsia when this war is over. We've saved Parsia from invasion before and they didn't even say "thanks" for it. They've pretty much not gained an ounce of respect for us and afaik there's no indication that if we save them during this war we'll get anything out of it at all.
Look, it's great that you're sure that we'll get a specific option despite them showing no interest in such a thing and we not getting it last time something like this happened. Maybe it'll even happen. But Sim is actually making an offer we can actually take now.
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 01:50:00 pm
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You tell him that you believe Parsia is more trouble than help, and thus offer to split the land; Gubtans get what Gubtans want, while you take the rest.
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"Mahjar Sim would offer it himself if not for the fact he wasn't sure whether Methiant can be trusted, but now I can relay to him: indeed, the Methiantese are fellow warriors! Once we are done with purging rightful Simian lands out of the Parsian filth, I believe I could offer you services of my soldiers against the remainder of the Parsians. But we will see how the war progresses. Glory and prosperity to you and your descendants, o great Emperor Yoe of Methiant!" Ajarat Padarashka leaves at once, while you gather your officers and generals to pass the news. Confused, but only slightly disgruntled, they agree that this is for the best.
But soldiers are not dumb pawns! With the mood of the populace and your abyssmal authority, it doesn't take long before someone yells 'madman!' out of the crowd of the soldiers. Soon the situation turns sour, and your men start fighting!
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Unfortunately, people loyal to you seem small in number. Even few of your commanders switch sides, allying themselves with those that want to keep Methiant on side of Parsia!
Hundreds are already dead before you notice that you have a slight disadvantage in this mess. Soon, the generals convinced that you're not the Emperor they want or need, might capture you, and you will be at their mercy. On the other hand, men loyal to you are still aplenty.
You're gonna...
A) Fight till victory against the rebel scum!
B) Attempt to negotiate with the revolting masses.
C) Run away, you can get a new, loyal Army back home!
D) Surrender, and admit you did bad.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 01:52:19 pm
No benefit from all our artifacts or martial abilities when we fight against the inexplicable desire of the common uneducated soldiers to give their lives in service of a group of people far from their home that they have practically no contact with?
Okay.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 01:52:36 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 01:54:02 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 01:55:01 pm
No benefit from all our artifacts or martial abilities when we fight against the inexplicable desire of the common uneducated soldiers to give their lives in service of a group of people far from their home that they have practically no contact with?why precisely would they care? Like seriously I doubt that the average peasant of methiant would actually care about a land so far away from their villages and the trader should be supporting us remember the trade deals we have with Gupta it made them so rich so why?.
Okay.
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 01:55:43 pm
No benefit from all our artifacts or martial abilities when we fight against the inexplicable desire of the common uneducated soldiers to give their lives in service of a group of people far from their home that they have practically no contact with?
Okay.
Valid point for this loyalty check ;vc
Upped to a 3.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 01:57:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 02:00:13 pm
I don't understand why there's a loyalty check at all. Why do our supposedly professional soldiers care at all about Parsia to the point where they want to rebel and die to protect it?
Because Imperial Authority is at -2 and Happiness is at 4 and people are generally unruly and willing to show it currently? ;v
You can't be viewed as 'terrible' Emperor and expect people will be 'yes men' in the same time.
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 02:00:44 pm
I don't understand why there's a loyalty check at all. Why do our supposedly professional soldiers care at all about Parsia to the point where they want to rebel and die to protect it?didn’t we also purge the corrupt and disloyal army members?.
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 02:02:22 pm
I don't understand why there's a loyalty check at all. Why do our supposedly professional soldiers care at all about Parsia to the point where they want to rebel and die to protect it?didn’t we also purge the corrupt and disloyal army members?.
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It's a four then and I've got to redo the text, gib a minute.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 13, 2018, 02:03:56 pm
Maybe they had been told we had a treaty with Parsia, and didn't assume that no news was bad news in international relations. Certainly, from the event that spawned our mobilization, we can expect they were told they were marching against Sim.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 02:05:13 pm
It just doesn't make sense that because we cheated on our wife our supposedly professional army decided to rebel because we decided we're not going to fight a big army. The result feels so disconnected from the action.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 13, 2018, 02:05:46 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 02:06:29 pm
Praise be to Haspen, it's great to see a reasonable DMi agree praise be to him it rare to find a good gm
Also
(A) Giving Haspen a minutethis is somewhat weird when you think that most of our army men have come from villages that have prospered from our trade with Gupta.
Maybe they had been told we had treaties and agreements with Parsia, and didn't assume that no news was bad news in international relations. Certainly, from the event that spawned our mobilization, we can expect they were told they were marching against Sim.
Post by: Haspen on August 13, 2018, 02:08:21 pm
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You tell him that you believe Parsia is more trouble than help, and thus offer to split the land; Gubtans get what Gubtans want, while you take the rest.
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"Mahjar Sim would offer it himself if not for the fact he wasn't sure whether Methiant can be trusted, but now I can relay to him: indeed, the Methiantese are fellow warriors! Once we are done with purging rightful Simian lands out of the Parsian filth, I believe I could offer you services of my soldiers against the remainder of the Parsians. But we will see how the war progresses. Glory and prosperity to you and your descendants, o great Emperor Yoe of Methiant!" Ajarat Padarashka leaves at once, while you gather your officers and generals to pass the news. Confused, but only slightly disgruntled, they agree that this is for the best.
But soldiers are not dumb pawns! With the mood of the populace and your abyssmal authority, it doesn't take long before someone yells 'madman!' out of the crowd of the soldiers. Soon the situation turns sour, and your men start fighting!
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Fortunately, people loyal to you are large in numbers. Most importantly, only few of lower officers rise against you, the bulk of rebels made up of common soldiery and their immediate superiors.
Hundreds are already dead before the 'sides' are clear. You have advantage in numbers, and maybe, just maybe, it's not too late to safe those dumb souls from certain execution for rising against you.
A) Purge them. Purge them all!
B) They've gotta listen!
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 02:09:31 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 13, 2018, 02:09:49 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 13, 2018, 02:09:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 13, 2018, 02:12:44 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 13, 2018, 02:14:07 pm
So, lets purge em.
A
Post by: Weirdsound on August 13, 2018, 02:22:59 pm
We got a banner and a military drill bonus on our first roll. We should get it on this roll as well.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 13, 2018, 02:47:51 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 13, 2018, 03:17:56 pm
Post by: omada on August 13, 2018, 06:08:13 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 13, 2018, 06:09:21 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on August 13, 2018, 06:25:45 pm
Oh well, lets try B and hope sanity returns.
Post by: Basil ii on August 13, 2018, 11:21:51 pm
altough if we miss B we will only return to the battle and use our probably enormous bonus in battle (flagbearer+sword+martial,i think that the sword just allows you to pierce armor i don’t think that it gives a army
roll bonus. Ps I really want to get some good artifact armor. Right now we are kind of vulnerable
Post by: crazyabe on August 13, 2018, 11:36:22 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 14, 2018, 06:24:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 15, 2018, 10:20:05 am
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Fearless, you stand atop a large rock, and, with banner of Methiant above you, you call both rebels and your loyal soldiers to listen. As you give the speech in which you ask them to surrender and thus save their lives, the clouds above you cover the sun in such a way that it shines upon you and the bronze shaft, giving you an aura that blinds the people.
Within few minutes, the rebellious soldiers beg for mercy, with few diehards needing to be eliminated. The ones that had a history of loyalty and excellence are allowed to return to their units, anothers are imprisoned.
With over four hundred dead and three hundred under arrest, you decide to move out and attack Parsia!
The same evening, as the Army prepares for tomorrow's sail-out, one of the Spymaster's agents arrives in your tent, and gives you a bag of coins. You inspect the silver money, with clear Damdamian markings.
"Ysirene lalantas, my liege. We've found them in belongings of more than a tenth of the slain soldiers, and few that were arrested were in possession of these as well. Apparently they received them from one of the slain officers, who simply asked them for 'loyalty' in some trying times. Or so they say."
"Ysirene spies in my Army? How?"
"I advise caution and that you order an investigation to be launched. I'm sure the Spymaster and our fellows at the palace will be ready to handle the work, sire. Where should we search for the traitors?"
A) "Everywhere, you idiot! Even the dumbest peasant could be a spy! Entire Methiant is to be scoured!"
B) "The recent purges surely dealt with hostile elements in the Army... I'm sure my noblemen are mingling with our enemies a bit too close for comfort! Check the nobles!"
C) "The recent purges surely spurred the hidden spies into action. The hierarchy structures of Methiantese Army are to be checked for spies at once!"
D) "Ysirene has no reason and no gain from this. This is ridiculous. There's no spies here, and you will forget what you've found today!"
Post by: Basil ii on August 15, 2018, 10:25:30 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 15, 2018, 10:26:05 am
Post by: Prophet on August 15, 2018, 10:27:43 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 15, 2018, 10:29:37 am
Post by: Criptfeind on August 15, 2018, 10:48:26 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 15, 2018, 10:56:29 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 15, 2018, 11:06:50 am
The real power in Methiant is the army and the Emperor. As long as those things are fine, Methiant will be fine.
That said, our uncle Deethan might be cowardly enough for his Damdamian wife and father in law to bully him into acting as a Damdamian agent. I don't care much about the rest of the nobility, but I'd rather not have that bullshit in House Yoe.
Post by: Chevaleresse on August 15, 2018, 11:10:35 am
Really?
Post by: Basil ii on August 15, 2018, 11:21:06 am
>Everyone being shocked that unhappy, disloyal soldiers got upset at us being traitorous to Parsia, ostensibly a state we protectwhy would they have any attachment to parsia? Most peasants never have even steeped a single foot outside methiant?. That’s the same as Napoleon soldiers rebelling after he betrayed Spain which Guess what that never actually happened why surprisingly they felt more loyalty to their homeland than any foreign country.
Really?
Post by: omada on August 15, 2018, 11:23:37 am
changed
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Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 15, 2018, 11:27:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 15, 2018, 11:31:19 am
I think after two purges and rolling a 7 for loyalty speech to the army we should be safe on that front for a while (I wonder if it'll improve overall Authority too); focused attention probably means a better chance to find turncoats among the nobles.
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It was never about attachment to Parsia: it was about Yoe IV, who already has credibility issues, making a 100% policy reversal in the field after declaring war against Sim invaders last month. (Also it now appears Ysirene agents seized on this occasion when we can imagine more than a few among the ranks wondering just what the hell Yoe's going to order next; it's unclear whether they would have such an opening if overall contentedness were not so low.)
(Edit: someone paying with Ysirene money, I mean. Classic cover-up to not use your own nation's currency for bribes.)
Post by: Basil ii on August 15, 2018, 11:37:22 am
Can we say A but ask them to focus? first army and then the noblemen?i think we dealt with the majority of the traitors in the army and if this the spies greatest infiltration this far I am not impressed.
Post by: Basil ii on August 15, 2018, 11:40:07 am
well, now we have a second target after we conquer Persiai am betting that the republic is supporting ysirene in this regardless one more target.
[but maybe it is just the republic hiding it’s involvement by using ysirene currency instead of using their currency to encourage another invasion to drain up our resources until they invade thanks for the suggestion mushroom]
Post by: Weirdsound on August 15, 2018, 12:05:21 pm
well, now we have a second target after we conquer Persiai am betting that the republic is supporting ysirene in this regardless one more target.
[but maybe it is just the republic hiding it’s involvement by using ysirene currency instead of using their currency to encourage another invasion to drain up our resources until they invade thanks for the suggestion mushroom]
Yeah. Didn't the Republic help Ysirene out in their war against Sim during the time skip between Ruberta and Yoe IV? Ysirene might owe them one. The thought of a strong Sim/Methiant alliance must scare the Eastern Damdamian states shitless.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 15, 2018, 12:18:19 pm
Damedia helped Ysirene in their war, as far as we know the Republic didn't help them at all.well, now we have a second target after we conquer Persiai am betting that the republic is supporting ysirene in this regardless one more target.
[but maybe it is just the republic hiding it’s involvement by using ysirene currency instead of using their currency to encourage another invasion to drain up our resources until they invade thanks for the suggestion mushroom]
Yeah. Didn't the Republic help Ysirene out in their war against Sim during the time skip between Ruberta and Yoe IV? Ysirene might owe them one. The thought of a strong Sim/Methiant alliance must scare the Eastern Damdamian states shitless.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 15, 2018, 12:26:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 15, 2018, 12:27:35 pm
Now Sim obviously is not friendly with Ysirene, and we've just proven how well we value Sim's friendship; but I don't think Ysirene would be pre-emptively seeding moles in the army unless it's part of the whole "no one really trusts Methiant" vibe that Haspen keeps talking about. So I actually doubt it's their idea.
Post by: Basil ii on August 15, 2018, 01:12:23 pm
We've been trading glasswares to Ysirene for the last 20-plus years, we should be on quite good terms relative to the other southern states.Let’s keep a open mind about ysirene until it’s confirmed which side they are on I suspect that this is a ploy of the republic but until it confirmed I won’t trust them.
Now Sim obviously is not friendly with Ysirene, and we've just proven how well we value Sim's friendship; but I don't think Ysirene would be pre-emptively seeding moles in the army unless it's part of the whole "no one really trusts Methiant" vibe that Haspen keeps talking about. So I actually doubt it's their idea.
About the republic due to our alliance with Sims new empire we should have solved our manpower problem they are still a strong enemy but not overwhelmingly powerful one as before.
Also I want to propose a marriage alliance with sim to further solidify our bonds preferably we are going to be sending of our unmarried sister or in the future our daughter to preferably the crown prince of sim.
Post by: helmacon on August 15, 2018, 01:50:21 pm
In any case, B. I doubt there is much left to find in the military.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 15, 2018, 01:54:37 pm
Post by: Imic on August 16, 2018, 08:32:02 am
Post by: Haspen on August 16, 2018, 11:19:09 am
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You decide that it must be your noblemen who are at fault at this! You order the agent to tell the Spymaster to begin investigations and see who has way too many dealings with Damdamians.
By the morning, Simian army ventures eastwards, while your Army marches north.
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Your superbly drilled, equipped Army, under your leadership and with the Flagbearer strengthening their faith into your victory, let you steamroll over the Parsian cities. One by one, smaller settlements and outposts surrender, either abandoning the buildings or pledging loyalty to you. Few proud, albeit relatively average in size, cities try to defend themselves, but their walls are smashed open and their defenders butchered by your men.
1195 AD, Spring
The Parsian resistance continues to collapse like a terrible line of dominos. As the freezing rain soon becomes a mere Spring dribble, Parsian lands from Hurthling mountains to Ironbones are now yours. Scouts report that Simian purge has almost reached the Parsian capital, most of the cities in their path ruined and their inhabitants decimated; the main army of Parsia was also destroyed and only pockets of resistance remain, the reports say.
That's when a messenger arrives.
Wihemina have given birth to a girl! The beautiful little Princess has been named 'Aina' by your dearest wife.
Some ask if, in the light of recent victories and the birth of Princess, could the Army camp and party a bit?
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You decide to...
A) A newly-made dad needs some party time!
B) Press on, we have much more left to conquer!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 16, 2018, 11:23:37 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 16, 2018, 11:25:38 am
A
Post by: Kashyyk on August 16, 2018, 11:31:01 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 16, 2018, 11:31:07 am
I'd rather not have us knock up a Parsian 'Comfort Woman'.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 16, 2018, 11:35:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 16, 2018, 11:50:29 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 16, 2018, 11:59:09 am
Post by: helmacon on August 16, 2018, 12:05:14 pm
I'd rather not give hedonism any extra chances to work.
Post by: birdy51 on August 16, 2018, 12:06:25 pm
Edited, too excited to party at the capital.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 16, 2018, 12:07:38 pm
A This is a terrible place to party. The Parsian capital is much more fitting!
Then why are you voting for the 'party' option?
Post by: Basil ii on August 16, 2018, 12:09:37 pm
give it some time I am sure he just missed-clicked.A This is a terrible place to party. The Parsian capital is much more fitting!Then why are you voting for the 'party' option?
Post by: birdy51 on August 16, 2018, 12:24:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 16, 2018, 12:47:40 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 16, 2018, 12:58:45 pm
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The party lifts everyone's spirits after they drink their spirits. Hur hur.
You indulge in alcohol and revelry as well, but manage to keep your head away from total drunkage as well as and pretty girls (and boys) of the camp.
After the party, a second messenger arrives. He wields a copy of the Scrolls of Kingdom Status!
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5to6
Happiness: 4
Population: 4
Economy: 4
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: -2
Inflation: 1/8 (+1)
"What's with this Inflation still there?" The messenger shrugs.
"The Treasurer and his buddies are still working on it. It probably won't go away as easily as it came."
"And my Authority?"
"Apparently, with the state of Empire and your, err, excesses, Emperor, it continues to drop." Ha, jokes on them! It's already abyssmal.
"And the map?"
He shows it to you, but its the same as previous year. After all, the war's going on, putting updates on it would be
"Also, the court has debated on but decided against extra taxes on peasants for the coming year."
...
"And my edicts?"
"Sorry, but Edicts interface is disabled whenever a SPAMKINGDOM monarch is on an Epic Quest or Military Campaign." You shake the fist at the sky.
"Damn that Haspen and his made-up game limitations!!"
Once everyone is sober, the officers are asking for directions.
A) We will take
B) Obviously, we continue conquering lands that will be our half of Parsia!
Post by: Basil ii on August 16, 2018, 01:01:29 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 16, 2018, 01:02:12 pm
Actually, A.
Post by: omada on August 16, 2018, 01:09:37 pm
actually A too
conquering stuff gives us authority, but we don't need to steamroll everycity when we can solve it in one big hit
on the other side, conquering everything will make capital surrender easier...
Post by: birdy51 on August 16, 2018, 01:19:15 pm
If Ajarat fails, we can have a go.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 16, 2018, 01:22:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 16, 2018, 01:30:44 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 16, 2018, 01:35:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 16, 2018, 01:52:56 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 16, 2018, 02:40:51 pm
for sure
Post by: ZBridges on August 16, 2018, 04:34:11 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 16, 2018, 08:08:59 pm
Post by: Qassius on August 17, 2018, 03:39:43 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 17, 2018, 03:51:30 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 18, 2018, 12:36:13 pm
Quote from: voting box
AAAAA=5i should have probably done this earlier oh well.
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Post by: VoidSlayer on August 18, 2018, 02:15:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 18, 2018, 02:19:02 pm
1195 AD, Mid-Spring
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So you conquer lands almost to the Waterless Plains.
That's when a scout brings report; Ajarat's army is besieging the Parsian capital. The sturdy walled city might or might not withstand the might of Fireblood, Oliphaunts and sheer masses of Simian soldiers for the next few months.
A) Enough time to conquer Waterless Plains and villages further east!
B) Alright, let's head to the capital as well.
Post by: crazyabe on August 18, 2018, 02:24:17 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 18, 2018, 02:26:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 18, 2018, 02:27:16 pm
There is a slim chance that if we leave Ajarat and company to their own devices, they may let the Parisians surrender and allow their dynasty continue to exist in some form. We betrayed them. We cannot expect them to forgive us, so we can never trust them again. Best we go ensure that they are removed from existence.
B - The Simians will purge all the Parsians if we let them.
Lol. Did we both just vote B for exact opposite reasons?
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 18, 2018, 02:27:45 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 18, 2018, 02:36:58 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 18, 2018, 02:42:51 pm
Post by: omada on August 18, 2018, 02:57:33 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on August 18, 2018, 03:13:56 pm
B
Post by: Basil ii on August 18, 2018, 03:23:02 pm
If they try to make a pretender state we make them a pretender graveyardtrue I think i am going to change my vote.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 18, 2018, 04:12:03 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 18, 2018, 10:33:47 pm
But make sure not to "compete" with the simians, just aid them.
Post by: Imic on August 19, 2018, 04:21:06 am
+1If they try to make a pretender state we make them a pretender graveyardtrue I think i am going to change my vote.
Post by: Haspen on August 19, 2018, 07:50:56 am
Ajarat Padarashka invites you to talks about fate of the capital; specifically, while he understands you won't be keen on participating in purges, he is willing to split the loot from Parsian temples and estates evenly.
A) Sure thing, let's negotiate the phat lewt!
B) We can do it later.
C) Purges!? His soldiers better not touch the innards of the city, or else!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 19, 2018, 08:03:48 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 19, 2018, 08:08:20 am
Post by: ZBridges on August 19, 2018, 08:14:16 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 08:31:03 am
Or will we just sack and loot the place? I suppose both are equally possible.
Post by: crazyabe on August 19, 2018, 09:04:41 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 19, 2018, 09:07:09 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 09:38:46 am
@haspen, IIf we choose A, can we go for some serious negotiations about land, people, and borders as well as the unga dunga loot or is that saved t'ill later?i think it’s just a looting agreement. We have already made a deal about the land.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 19, 2018, 10:48:40 am
I'll vote C.
(But if A wins, the more pragmatic side of me wants to talk Ajarat out of looting temples. Defeated nobles have fewer ways to complain than ticked off gods.)
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 11:18:53 am
(But if A wins, the more pragmatic side of me wants to talk Ajarat out of looting temples. Defeated nobles have fewer ways to complain than ticked off gods.)there will not be any complaining nobles if they are all dead. :)
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Ahem disregarding my more moral side there may benefits of crushing another culture if we complete this project there might not be any Parisian people to try and revolt in the future.
Not that I actually want to kill them all but it’s a option and if we follow the no mass murder path what would be our methods of integrating the parsians into our empire?.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 19, 2018, 11:39:21 am
Post by: omada on August 19, 2018, 11:42:22 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 11:46:36 am
maybe we can suggest to give a chance to evacuate people, "whoever gets inside methiant banner gets spared, so RUN" or "if people opens their walls and surrender their nobles they will be spared from massacre and have a free day to migrate outside the new Simian empire's playground"thats actually a pretty good idea if we could migrate them In to our colonies in the north we might speed up the the process of settling those provinces and there’s probably tons of skilled labor there due to it being the capital and all.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 19, 2018, 12:03:21 pm
Which is why I'm discussing revenge-minded gods.(But if A wins, the more pragmatic side of me wants to talk Ajarat out of looting temples. Defeated nobles have fewer ways to complain than ticked off gods.)there will not be any complaining nobles if they are all dead. :)
Looting nobles is a no-brainer.
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Not that I actually want to kill them all but it’s a option and if we follow the no mass murder path what would be our methods of integrating the parsians into our empire?.
Same general idea as our other conquests: take over, and (presumably utilizing reasonably fair and not too corrupt government) wait until nobody minds any more. We have a good enough army to kill off a few rebellions, and thereby reduce the social influence of would-be rebels.
Ajarat's wholesale slaughter just feels so wasteful, in addition to the moral dimension. Our population score reflects Haspen's estimate of average density. Already on the brink of penalty (I think: other stats trigger stuff at 3, our Pop is 4), what good will it be for the empire to "claim" land but kill the people living on it?
I also like omada's plan. We did earn considerable regard in otherwise rebellious Eval for sparing the populace (even if later events forced us to recognize a degree of separation).
Post by: Kashyyk on August 19, 2018, 12:06:45 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 19, 2018, 12:09:52 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 12:35:51 pm
When you get down to it- they can "only" purge the ones on their land- meaning we can sorta keep anyone on the lands we take.i do wonder if we are going to get a Parisian vassal state in the future like what happened to eval.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 19, 2018, 01:06:04 pm
At the very least we need their royal family and leadership dead. We betrayed them. These prideful bastards likely have long memories. I'd rather not give them the opportunity to return the favor. Whoever we put in charge of our half of Parsia should not be Parsian.
However, if they have any highborn children young enough to have trouble remembering these events (3 and under), we could take them alive, raise them, and arrange for them to marry Hein or Deathan's children (or perhaps even our daughter) when they come of age, thus legitimatizing Yoean control over the Parsian lands we are about to Annex.
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 01:36:01 pm
At the very least we need their royal family and leadership dead. We betrayed them. These prideful bastards likely have long memories. I'd rather not give them the opportunity to return the favor. Whoever we put in charge of our half of Parsia should not be Parsian.we should also deal with the upper nobility of parsia the lesser nobles I am iffy about but the greater nobles should not be allowed to retain such power under our new Parsia.
However, if they have any highborn children young enough to have trouble remembering these events (3 and under), we could take them alive, raise them, and arrange for them to marry Hein or Deathan's children (or perhaps even our daughter) when they come of age, thus legitimatizing Yoean control over the Parsian lands we are about to Annex.
Post by: Haspen on August 19, 2018, 02:10:40 pm
Ajarat Padarashka arrives, wearing robes not of a bloodstained commander, but a clean, white robe and pointy shoes laced with gold. It's his diplomatic attire. He comes with only half a dozen soldiers this time.
What do you to accomplish here?
A) Loot from the capital, Parsians inside, and the city itself.
B) Loot from the capital.
C) Parsian citizens.
D) The capital itself.
E) Actually I want to tell him he can have it all.
F) Actually I want to tell him he won't have looting and pillaging!
Post by: ZBridges on August 19, 2018, 02:23:50 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 19, 2018, 02:24:37 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 19, 2018, 02:26:24 pm
Also do you guys think that picking E is worth strengthening our alliance with sim new empire because that is a lot of money in the capital.
Post by: crazyabe on August 19, 2018, 02:30:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 19, 2018, 02:38:18 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 19, 2018, 02:41:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 19, 2018, 04:58:37 pm
If we're serious about giving the people a path out, this is the opportunity.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 19, 2018, 05:00:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 19, 2018, 05:01:39 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 19, 2018, 05:14:34 pm
This is an opportunity to get a huge boost to our pop score. It would also create some goodwill between us and our new acquisitions, seeing as we saved them from extermination.
Post by: birdy51 on August 19, 2018, 06:17:46 pm
Let's not throw these guys to the fire.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 19, 2018, 06:32:33 pm
Post by: omada on August 19, 2018, 06:36:57 pm
C
Post by: Weirdsound on August 19, 2018, 06:39:56 pm
Annexing parsia isn't going to increase our population, but let's prevent it from lowering it and making ourselves look as saviors
C
We knifed these fuckers in the back. I don't think there is anything we can do to make them like or forgive us. Best just purge them and be done with it.
Besides, we could use the money.
Post by: helmacon on August 19, 2018, 06:48:41 pm
Also, we didn't betray them. We never had any official obligation to them once they finished paying their tribute, and they choose to have no real relations with us.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 19, 2018, 06:58:09 pm
If we could take all the people living in their capital and resettle them to our lands, it will boost our pop. It will also be saving them from extermination when the sim burn that capital to the ground, which should take the edge off of their anger.
Also, we didn't betray them. We never had any official obligation to them once they finished paying their tribute, and they choose to have no real relations with us.
There was an understanding that they were still under our sphere of influence, and that we were on their side. A Methianese official was still the third most important person in their government. We warned them of the Simian attack, and formally declared war on Sim when it took place. If going back on all that and siding with Sim isn't treachery, I don't know what is.
We will likely have to roll to get these people to overcome their hate and pride to resettle in Methiant. We do not have to convince loot to like us.
Post by: Taricus on August 19, 2018, 07:19:45 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 19, 2018, 07:47:29 pm
C
Post by: mightymushroom on August 19, 2018, 08:28:39 pm
Also, we didn't betray them. We never had any official obligation to them once they finished paying their tribute, and they choose to have no real relations with us.I recall it was ten years of tribute but twenty years of peace treaty – which expired about 6 years ago.
There was an understanding that they were still under our sphere of influence, and that we were on their side. A Methianese official was still the third most important person in their government. We warned them of the Simian attack, and formally declared war on Sim when it took place. If going back on all that and siding with Sim isn't treachery, I don't know what is.
We will likely have to roll to get these people to overcome their hate and pride to resettle in Methiant. We do not have to convince loot to like us.
I agree Yoe's attitude has been a bit, um, erratic due to the voices in his head and I wouldn't blame them for not trusting us. Yet when we're the alternative to someone who is known to drag them from their temples and slaughter them wholesale, I think we still hold an advantage that we can spin.
I chose C since not being greedy usually helps the negotiation roll. And we wouldn't necessarily have to resettle them far, perhaps just to the formerly Parsian lands where we hold dominion under a reconstituted and properly vassalized government – it seems unlikely their old one was going to hold up anyway.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 19, 2018, 09:02:08 pm
I chose C since not being greedy usually helps the negotiation roll. And we wouldn't necessarily have to resettle them far, perhaps just to the formerly Parsian lands where we hold dominion under a reconstituted and properly vassalized government – it seems unlikely their old one was going to hold up anyway.
They already offered to split the plunder with us, and seem at least as keen on slaughtering Parsians as Taricus is. I don't think there is any guarantee that asking to spare the people will appeal to the Simians more than asking for loot will.
Post by: Prophet on August 19, 2018, 10:39:05 pm
Post by: melkor on August 20, 2018, 03:38:46 am
Post by: auzewasright on August 20, 2018, 06:09:51 am
Post by: Haspen on August 20, 2018, 09:48:38 am
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You argue with him that you want the safety of Parsian citizens insde, as they will be your new subjects.
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"I simply cannot allow this to happen. My Emperor wants purges, and my men want new concubines and slaves."
You decide to...
A) Threaten him if he doesn't budge.
B) Offer your part of loot for the Parsians' safety.
C) Let him do with Parsians as he likes.
D) Offer the split the capital in two, one for you, one for Sim.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 20, 2018, 09:52:06 am
Once the Parsian's realise they'll only get purged on his side of the city we should get plenty of new subjects.
Post by: Haspen on August 20, 2018, 09:52:44 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 20, 2018, 09:56:47 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 20, 2018, 09:58:47 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 20, 2018, 09:59:28 am
Looks like I'll change to give D a better chance against C, because that's the kind of person I am.
See, I'm just not convinced we need the loot. Loot is one-time cash that we'll burn through if we have it. You know we can't resist the temptation. Population for our new lands is a gift that keeps on giving.
D is tempting the way Kashyyk describes it, but I feel like not having (a piece of) the capital would shift a lot of the "let's make New New Parsia" insurgency to focus on the Sim side of the border.
Post by: Basil ii on August 20, 2018, 10:04:24 am
B with a hint of Athat’s actually really tempting I wonder if we could combine D and B so that we both get more land and more citizens.
See, I'm just not convinced we need the loot. Loot is one-time cash that we'll burn through if we have it. You know we can't resist the temptation. Population for our new lands is a gift that keeps on giving.
D is incredibly tempting as Kashyyk describes, but I feel like not having (a piece of) the capital would shift a lot of the "let's make New New Parsia" insurgency to focus on the Sim side of the border.
Post by: helmacon on August 20, 2018, 10:07:07 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 20, 2018, 10:47:24 am
These damn Parsins are not worth pissing off the Sim Empire to save. We decided this once when we turned on them per the Sim General's suggestion. No point changing course now, C.
Post by: Basil ii on August 20, 2018, 10:55:35 am
D will lead to a complicated Berlin Wall type situation that will hurt our relationships with the Sim Empire.sim has demanded to purge all Parisians under the occupation. the parsians on sim side will have a hard time revolting if they are all dead.
These damn Parsins are not worth pissing off the Sim Empire to save. We decided this once when we turned on them per the Sim General's suggestion. No point changing course now, C.
Post by: crazyabe on August 20, 2018, 12:12:46 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 20, 2018, 12:19:13 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 20, 2018, 01:41:05 pm
WHY IS EVERYONE EXPLICITLY INTERESTED IN THE PEOPLE OF PERSIA'S CAPITAL, THAT'S WHERE THE NOBLES THAT NEVER LIKED US- AND OTHER ANNOYING WEALTHY PEOPLE- LIVE. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE PEASANTS ON OUR HALF OF PERSIA SUBVERTED, SO WE DON'T NEED THEM, GAAAHHH.we can just spare the useful peasants and kill all the nobles/rich merchants you know. they likely will be the first ones to be killed in the sacking since they have the majority of the wealth.
Post by: Imic on August 20, 2018, 01:42:47 pm
D - Change tactics. Offer to split the capitol with him. Literally. Right down the middle. He can do what he likes with his half, and we do what we like with ours.Yes! This!
Once the Parsian's realise they'll only get purged on his side of the city we should get plenty of new subjects.
+1
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 20, 2018, 03:56:44 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 20, 2018, 04:07:02 pm
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Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 20, 2018, 04:25:04 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on August 20, 2018, 07:06:32 pm
Post by: omada on August 20, 2018, 11:17:45 pm
I still don't know what a Phataract is, but it gave them some bonus on the rolls
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 20, 2018, 11:28:18 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 20, 2018, 11:32:31 pm
[EDIT problem solved]
Post by: melkor on August 21, 2018, 02:35:00 am
also C
Post by: Basil ii on August 21, 2018, 04:26:01 am
you mean this one? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7835248#msg7835248)yep the problem fixed itself how strange Regardless thanks.
Post by: Basil ii on August 21, 2018, 06:29:40 am
If it is sucessfull can we offer later to buy any blacksmith's family safety? with parts of the city or some loot from our side? we might want someone to owe us and teach how to do that phataracts or whateverthe cataphract would have been far more useful for us earlier but now due to the development of personal fire arms they will be in the near future somewhat obsolete and will become more and more obsolete as time goes on due to new developments in personal fire arms remember there is a reason why modern military’s have largely abandoned the horse.
I still don't know what a Phataract is, but it gave them some bonus on the rolls
Post by: Basil ii on August 21, 2018, 06:44:15 am
Post by: omada on August 21, 2018, 10:42:33 pm
WAIT A MINUTE! i almost forgot where are our vassals?! They should be legally obligated to go to war with us so where are they?.
Not exactly, in our in-game situations we can ask they to come with us but we don't do that often specially in this moment where it is useless to bring more numbers from the other side of the nation
In other words, They're obligated to come if we ask them. otherwise they can act as they know nothing or just offer their help willingly.
Post by: Basil ii on August 22, 2018, 12:03:58 am
even if we didn’t have the need at the moment for any more troops we could have asked for supplies and through it eased our logistics to speed up the conquest.WAIT A MINUTE! i almost forgot where are our vassals?! They should be legally obligated to go to war with us so where are they?.
Not exactly, in our in-game situations we can ask they to come with us but we don't do that often specially in this moment where it is useless to bring more numbers from the other side of the nation
In other words, They're obligated to come if we ask them. otherwise they can act as they know nothing or just offer their help willingly.
Post by: auzewasright on August 22, 2018, 05:50:51 am
Uh, Basil, you might want to insert a few commas and other punctuation if you want what you typed to be legible.but we didn’t get the choice I think we could only ask the kingdom of cydwyl for help besides the duchy of eval Calvary could have been used to speed up the conquest.WAIT A MINUTE! i almost forgot where are our vassals?! They should be legally obligated to go to war with us so where are they?.
Not exactly, in our in-game situations we can ask they to come with us but we don't do that often specially in this moment where it is useless to bring more numbers from the other side of the nation
In other words, They're obligated to come if we ask them. otherwise they can act as they know nothing or just offer their help willingly.
You might say basil Calvary is useless in a siege due to that they can’t come with war machines but I say
They could just dissemble the war machine take the parts and when they reach a city They can just reassemble it on site like the mongols did.
Post by: Basil ii on August 22, 2018, 07:07:24 am
[EDIT any more flaws auze?]
Post by: Haspen on August 22, 2018, 09:52:42 am
That i will do.
[EDIT any more flaws auze?]
Yes, stop spamming my thread with several posts in a row because you just remembered something, I warned you once, this is second time, and I will have to take action if this continues. Use the 'edit' button, people are not blind, and will see changes in your posts.
K, thx, bai.
Post by: Haspen on August 22, 2018, 02:10:36 pm
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You concede and allow Ajarat Padarashka to do with the capital's populace as he wishes. The loot of course will be split in half.
"Now, my lord would like to see the capital also fall under his benevolent, even if its on your half of Parsia. Tell you, would you agree to my Emperor's polite request?"
A) "We already agreed the city's mine."
B) "For you army's share of loot, sure."
C) "I will want some nice concessions for that to happen, though!"
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 22, 2018, 02:12:59 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 22, 2018, 02:20:04 pm
Ask that in exchange for the city, Emperor Sim will send a man of his Imperial blood to settle in Methiant and marry our sister Cylia. If our dynasties our bound by marriage, perhaps we can avoid major misunderstandings like this Parsia situation in the future.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 22, 2018, 02:20:18 pm
A if there's any significant chunk of land in addition to the city
C if we're talking about, say, a guarantee of an open road to it
Post by: Haspen on August 22, 2018, 02:29:08 pm
("It's only 4 infamy/aggressive expansion points, come on!")
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 22, 2018, 02:30:10 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 22, 2018, 02:37:43 pm
Can those concessions be a large amount of people from the capital?
Post by: mightymushroom on August 22, 2018, 03:30:27 pm
For now, a highly skeptical C with the clear understanding that turning him down is very possible.
(Maybe bring up the idea of splitting it again, depending on the offer.)
Post by: crazyabe on August 22, 2018, 03:59:33 pm
Post by: auzewasright on August 22, 2018, 04:07:30 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 22, 2018, 04:08:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 22, 2018, 04:11:25 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 22, 2018, 04:24:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 22, 2018, 04:49:12 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 22, 2018, 05:05:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 22, 2018, 06:29:19 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 23, 2018, 03:55:42 am
Post by: Imic on August 24, 2018, 08:28:49 am
No
No
C
Post by: Haspen on August 25, 2018, 07:10:27 am
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You decide to try and pawn the capital only in exchange for some big cash, territories or other valuable concessions.
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After lengthy negotiations, you fail to convince Ajarat to buy the capital, and after some more talking, he concedes that the Parsian capital city and its nearby soil will remain with Methiant. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
What's next?
A) Obviously we coordinate great assault on the Parsian capital with Ajarat!
B) I go and take a nap, Ajarat's forces can capture the capital for us.
C) Let's lend the Simians a hand in the siege.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 25, 2018, 07:12:47 am
. . . that didn't come out right somehow.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 25, 2018, 07:27:51 am
Post by: Imic on August 25, 2018, 07:39:42 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 25, 2018, 07:56:22 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 25, 2018, 08:11:46 am
Post by: helmacon on August 25, 2018, 09:28:16 am
How are A and C different here?
Post by: mightymushroom on August 25, 2018, 10:26:08 am
Post by: Haspen on August 25, 2018, 10:38:17 am
Post by: TankKit on August 25, 2018, 11:15:10 am
A, I'm pretty confident in our abilities to smash the capital quickly. Those auto sixes are very nice, they make attacking other countries look all the better. Speaking of which, I still think our next target should be Eldrican. Also, I see a new country in the Northen Mountains called Mistermon. Did I miss something, or has that just kind of quietly popped up?
Edit: There's also the charred fields close to Mistermon which seem to of bitten a chunk out of the elven forests. I am now really curious as to what happened up there.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 25, 2018, 11:52:17 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 25, 2018, 12:12:56 pm
We have guns. We might as well use em.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 25, 2018, 12:41:52 pm
C
Post by: omada on August 25, 2018, 03:12:32 pm
A before they hide their crown jewels or secrets
Post by: crazyabe on August 25, 2018, 03:17:24 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 25, 2018, 05:03:15 pm
Post by: auzewasright on August 25, 2018, 06:29:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 08:49:16 am
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You offer Ajarat an assault against the capital from both sides at once.
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He agrees and decides that his army will assault the walls from the east; you agree to take the west side.
The commanders of your Army are only slightly reluctant, because it has been a while since they fought against a fortified city like this, but soon they come up with a good plan.
"Will you lead us, under banner of Methiant, to crack open the Parsian city?"
A) "VERILYYYYY!!"
B) "I have my full faith in abilities of my commanders, I will wait here."
C) "No, but take the artifact flagbearer with you, it will surely help."
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 08:50:13 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 26, 2018, 08:58:16 am
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 09:06:12 am
Chaaaaaaarge!
Post by: helmacon on August 26, 2018, 09:28:16 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on August 26, 2018, 10:26:26 am
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 11:28:31 am
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Under your skilled calculations, the bombardment smashes apart the top parts of the walls and caused one of the gate to crack open in two parts. Your men charge into the city, deathtubes and swords in hands, and you at the lead!
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Despite absolutely mindboggling narrowness of the roads in the city, your men under your leadership cut down through the swathes of Parsian soldiers and militia alike. The corpses lay on the ground thick, and soon the stomped dirt turns red from all the blood it is soaking.
From the flames and smoke rising on the other side of the city, you assume Ajarat's offensive was similarily successful.
A) Onwards, to the keep! Everyone will know who conquered the capital once Methiantese flag flutters above the citadel!
B) Where's the loot? Gimme! We need to get to their manors and temples asap!
C) Time to handle the citizenry! They will surely surrender if promised no purges from Methiantese!
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 26, 2018, 11:31:28 am
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 11:50:44 am
Let's get this over with quickly, we can deal with loot and citizenry once the last defenses are dealt with.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 11:52:01 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 26, 2018, 11:55:34 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 26, 2018, 11:59:52 am
Post by: Criptfeind on August 26, 2018, 12:05:46 pm
I'm just a little bit too uncomfortable with genocide to not at least try to limp wristly prevent some of it.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 26, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 12:16:10 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 12:25:01 pm
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You arrive at the gates of the keep with ease, you and your soldiers crushing all opposition that stands in your way.
But then! With loud goat trumpets, the gate of the citadel opens and a unit of fabled Cataphracts sails out! They pour out onto the street, decked from hooves of their horses to the tops of their heads in steel plates, the most decorated one moving to the front and pointing his lance at you. You only see his eyes, nose and beard.
"Yoe of Methiant!" The man booms. "Traitor and a backstabber! For once behave like a man and face me, King Alalkan!" You've heard stories that in his youth Alalkan of Parsia preferred civil talk and diplomatic solutions over bloodshed, but nowadays, in his middle age, he seems more than eager to stab your guts out.
You decide to...
A) HELP ALALKAN DIE WITH HONOUR!!!
B) Ask one of your soldiers to shoot the fool down, for he has exposed face.
C) Order your men into the melee. There will be no duels!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 26, 2018, 12:26:09 pm
A - For honour and glory!
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 26, 2018, 12:29:35 pm
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Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 12:53:37 pm
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You two clash and you fail to do much than pry open one of the steel plates.
You feel however that your own armor has been pierced, and so was your body! Pain rings in your ears as you feel the tunic underneath the mail to get wet from your blood.
But there's no stopping now, Alalkan's turning his armored horse around for another pass!
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This time, however, you triumph! The sword strikes deep into Alalkan's armored collar, and he falls off his horse, producing a truly monstrous crash when his body hits the dirt. The Cataphracts, seeing their leader lifeless on the ground, are thrown into chaos, and many of the rout while few take charge against your men, who, invigorated by your spectacular victory, charge them and mow them down easily. So much for their fabled courage and invicibility!
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However, once the adrenaline wears off a bit, you feel terrible numbness in your body. Only then you notice that your pants, on the right side, are stained with blood, which is even dripping down onto the road. The lance must've struck deeper than you've thought! You barely will yourself into not collapsing.
A) Tis a flesh wound!
B) I must retreat!
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 26, 2018, 12:56:01 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 26, 2018, 12:58:09 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 12:59:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 01:01:14 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 01:02:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 01:10:46 pm
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They stop the bloodloss and patch the wound.
Somehow however, the city remains in Parsian hands and fighting continues even into the afternoon; the commanders are arguing with the healers whether you should take control of the Army for the last hours of fighting.
A) I better rest for now.
B) I've told you, tis but a scratch!
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 26, 2018, 01:14:06 pm
we'll deny the grim kitty his appointment a little longer, at least
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 01:16:45 pm
The Sim Empire has a Martial leader. There is no way the Parsians win this, with or without our participation.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 01:19:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 26, 2018, 01:36:44 pm
Most of the famous conquerors in history rested a bit after a life threatening injury, to heal properly and keep conquering.
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 01:43:09 pm
Post by: Imic on August 26, 2018, 01:47:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 01:57:42 pm
A. And yes, most good conquerors who managed to survive long and conquer lots of stuff at least started out as being careful when injured and made sure to rest. We don't want a situation like Alexander the Great, who decided that having a party and heavily drinking would be a good idea fairly soon after he had taken a liver injury and ended up dying. Oh god, I just realized that is actually a possibility due to our hedonist trait.
Oooooh :vc
You decide to rest.
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Three days pass, and you get better with every hour.
Before the sun is down, the Parsian nobility (that which survived Simian purges and looting of the city), is brought to you in shackles. According to your soldiers, these are councilmembers of Parsia, also responsible for murdering your Vizier (they tossed him from the highest tower once they've got the news you betrayed them). Your soldiers are also packed up with loot; money, precious jewels, sacred bowls and cups, idols and statuettes. Most of it will end in Methiantese treasury, for the wealth of Karasau was truly immense; some of the wealth will end in your soldiers' pockets, but they deserve it.
The Parsians kneel in front of you, weeping and begging for mercy.
You decide to...
A) Let them go free, and let all Parsia live in shame.
B) Demand their submission as vassals of Methiant.
C) Demand the crown of Kings of Parsia to be given to you!
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 02:00:06 pm
Lets just annex the land. Hopefully we got some nice resources on our half.
Post by: Imic on August 26, 2018, 02:00:46 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 02:03:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 26, 2018, 02:07:34 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 26, 2018, 02:08:02 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 26, 2018, 02:09:16 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 02:09:29 pm
And oh god I gave the GM an idea.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 02:09:51 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 26, 2018, 02:11:22 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 26, 2018, 02:14:38 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 26, 2018, 02:15:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 26, 2018, 02:17:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 02:51:12 pm
You have just conquered Parsia! Is it a reason to celebrate, you ask yourself?
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Of course it is!
You throw a big party inside the Parsian palace, where Parsian ladies and pretty servant boys dance away (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMB3qLdwOps) to the night amongst scorched walls and dried bloodstains. Your soldiers make sure that everyone is safe and secure from potential angry inhabitants of the city, who were mostly in hands of Simian slavemasters or executions anyway. Simians decided not to partake in the party, instead they're busying themselves counting up the cattle and wealth they've acquired for their Emperor.
As the night progresses, wine flows freely, and your eyes wander around the masses in the audience room.
You decide to...
A) Sample the local variety of food and drink.
B) Sample the local variety of something else.
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 02:54:03 pm
Okay, let's see... well, we have the lucky trait, and we have the healthy trait. We can most likely survive drinking, especially since I don't think the injury we got could cause us to die from it or eating, and I don't want to ruin our first chance at keeping our promise. A it is.
Edit: Changes my vote to what I meant it to be.
Edit2:Fixed a mistake in the word 'Edit' in the previous edit, also looking back it seems the injury was on the right side of our pants so yeah, I don't think we'll have too much trouble. I think. I'll go look at my biology book just in case anyway.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 26, 2018, 02:54:20 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 02:56:11 pm
B is likely just sleeping around. If the wife catches wind of it, we can just say that whatever she heard was part of a Parsian smear campaign.
Edit: Of course Haspen edits it to a coin flip seconds after I post.
Post by: Haspen on August 26, 2018, 02:56:56 pm
...A roll instead of a coin flip for Hedonism stuff? Is this a sign Yoe is making progress against his negative trait?
Sorry, I got it mixed up.
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 02:57:50 pm
...A roll instead of a coin flip for Hedonism stuff? Is this a sign Yoe is making progress against his negative trait?What if she walks in on us doing it? And do you really think that, considering she knows what we're like, she'll believe that?
A Could get us poisoned, or give us the drunk trait.
B is likely just sleeping around. If the wife catches wind of it, we can just say that whatever she heard was part of a Parsian smear campaign.
Edit: And yes, we should be fine to drink and eat.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 02:59:16 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 26, 2018, 03:00:17 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 03:03:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 26, 2018, 03:03:46 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 26, 2018, 03:13:53 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 26, 2018, 03:14:40 pm
Post by: Imic on August 26, 2018, 03:25:34 pm
Better than trying some of the local thinly-disguised poisonous pipe weed.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 26, 2018, 03:33:37 pm
On the other hand, the second option isn't really safer: giving *ahem* unimpeded access to a newly conquered noble (or servant for that matter) sounds like a recipe for assassination. Or blackmail, later, given our marital issues. Or a martial genius bastard to challenge our throne about 16 years from now and topple the empire.
B just for the heck of it because I don't mind long-term chaos, and right now the vote's not close anyway.
Post by: crazyabe on August 26, 2018, 03:56:14 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 26, 2018, 05:04:53 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 27, 2018, 03:06:00 am
Post by: Rockeater on August 27, 2018, 07:35:01 am
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2018, 12:35:51 pm
Sugarfruit! Heartplums! Sweetdrums! And plenty, plenty of wine, all of it red, yellow and purple like finest royal fabric.
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As the moon begins its ride downwards towards the horizon, you lie on a large table-bed-thing, wearing nothing but copious amounts of jewelry, strips of silk, indulging in wine and grapes served by two nubile and loincloth-only-wearing (former) slaves. They're so energetic and so pretty to the eyes, and you reckon they must be twins. The girl dances on your lap most lovingly, and her brother's sweet lips are just as good on your tongue as the wine.
Is this the splendor and decadence of the Parsians? Wine, parties, pretty things??
What do you think about it, babe?
A) Gotta walk like a Parsian from now on! Get me the dresses and the pastries!
B) I want more of this. I better move my capital here! Parties forever!!
C) This is the type of leisure every Emperor needs every so often (and away from his wife, too).
D) -
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 12:46:24 pm
But as for here... B might actually be a good idea, if not a costly one. Yoe III's prophetic doomsday dream specifically mentioned the capital. There is at least a small chance we subvert it if we move the capital somewhere else.
Moving the capital will also bring us closer to the Parsians, hopefully speeding up their assimilation into our culture. It also puts us closer to our new Simian friends.
There are downsides, of course, our wife will not like the partying, and our courtiers might disprove, but in the long run it may be worth it.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 27, 2018, 12:50:43 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 27, 2018, 12:51:39 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 27, 2018, 12:53:17 pm
Edit: Or maybe B would be the better of the two for going towards that goal? Not entirely sure but I'm going to keep my vote A for now.
Post by: birdy51 on August 27, 2018, 12:59:22 pm
Welp. Kind hope that we can get an heir soon. I don't think Yoe IV will end up being Emperor long at this rate.
Post by: Baffler on August 27, 2018, 01:07:48 pm
Post by: Imic on August 27, 2018, 01:14:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 01:20:28 pm
C
Welp. Kind hope that we can get an heir soon. I don't think Yoe IV will end up being Emperor long at this rate.
...He might lose the support of his wife and father, and may wind up having to take Cydwyl by force and put down a rebellion here or there, but I don't think there is much Yoe IV can do that will make him lose the support of his army at this point. He has purged disloyal elements twice, lead his troops to glory, and partied at their side. Anybody seeking to dethrone him will have to get through the rather formidable Methianese Army.
On a somewhat related note: Did we get any new resources on our half of Parsia?
Post by: ZBridges on August 27, 2018, 02:04:49 pm
Post by: andrea on August 27, 2018, 02:10:53 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 27, 2018, 02:13:26 pm
Yeah, I remember how Alexander adopted Persian customs. And I want to stay as far away from Alexander as possible, since his empire crumbled to dust when he died. Let's not encourage that situation. Also, I'm worried about issues with moving our capital and would prefer to keep it closer to Cydwyl, who have been allies with us for much longer and are in the process of integrating with us.
Edit:Then again... Haspen, if we moved the capital here would it still be roughly the same distance to Cydwyl? Because I'm thinking that, if we're going to go for integrating with the Sim empire as well, moving it now could help with making sure the capital is in a more central location in the future.
Post by: Rockeater on August 27, 2018, 02:19:27 pm
Post by: andrea on August 27, 2018, 02:20:47 pm
This reminds me of the situation leading to the fire of Persepolis. Conquered capital, lots of partying and wine (especially wine), a scantly clad lady (and boy too in this case) with a grudge after the former regime... (not stated, but they are freed slaves, so it is reasonable to assume)
Post by: TankKit on August 27, 2018, 02:30:30 pm
Also, is anyone else getting the feeling that we're on the road to being a tyrant? We're a hedonistic king bad at keeping his promises who is also a genius who's hard to kill, lucky, and good at fighting, not to mention we have full control over the most powerful army in the area. Oh, and we're hard to poison, so that would likely be less of a problem for us. The thing is, we're not immune to poison. Combined with with the fact that we don't exactly have full control over Yoe... I'm actually thinking we may want to hold off on doing much of anything until this Yoe is dead.
Post by: crazyabe on August 27, 2018, 02:42:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 27, 2018, 02:45:47 pm
None of these is going to help us with Cydwyl; all of them are moving us farther away in esteem as well as location and/or culture. (Away from Methiant, too.)
C seems the least problematic . . . but only if we can keep it a secret long enough, or else all our other plans explode.
I can't see any actual advantage in B.
I guess I could vote for A if D isn't allowed. Hopefully our wife will veto the dresses and pastries don't sound all that dangerous (until we get the Fat trait at least).
Post by: birdy51 on August 27, 2018, 02:56:06 pm
Hmmm. I'm not sure which choice would lead to that, but it actually seems most likely to be C.
Also, is anyone else getting the feeling that we're on the road to being a tyrant? We're a hedonistic king bad at keeping his promises who is also a genius who's hard to kill, lucky, and good at fighting, not to mention we have full control over the most powerful army in the area. Oh, and we're hard to poison, so that would likely be less of a problem for us. The thing is, we're not immune to poison. Combined with the fact that we don't exactly have full control over Yoe... I'm actually thinking we may want to hold off on doing much of anything until this Yoe is dead.
Yeah. He's most definitely a tyrant. I mean, we've already started with the political purges!
Which begs the question... If we can't beat Yoe's urges, why don't we just go full-bore on them? I mean, yeah, I would like the deal with Cydwyl to go well, but when all it takes is a coin-flip to go wrong. Kind of prefer to have that whole mess over with so we can enjoy Emperor crazy-party instead of worrying about all that.
EDIT: Actually... Does our dad have any other sons available? If we can kill off Yoe and elect one of his sons to lead the country, that might still be enough to satisfy both sides maybe.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 03:00:56 pm
Our best bet to keep the nation in Cyl's bloodline but not Yoe's is to find a husband for our older sister before she becomes an old maid.
Post by: TankKit on August 27, 2018, 03:01:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2018, 03:04:20 pm
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This is all fine and nice, but only every few months. Once a year, maybe. In the morning, you dismiss the pretty things to better deal with the head-splitting hangover.
You ought to establish some festival schedule or something.
1195 AD, Late Spring
After few weeks of pacifying the pockets of resistance, the Army is ready to depart. Ajarat Padarashka, as a parting gift 'to fellow conqueror', has given you gold-ink parchment in which Mahjar Sim agrees to division of Parsia; the Gubtans taking what was theirs before Shapur's conquests, and the remainder - along with city of Karasau - going into hands of Methiant.
You decide it is time to head home, altough part of the Army will remain in Parsia, for uprisings of various kind are ought to happen.
Congratulations! Yoe IV has successfully concluded a military campaign!
1195 AD, Summer
You return triumphiantly to Methe, leading the parade of victorious soldiers, carrying much of loot! The Royal Treasury accounts that the captured jewelry, gold and coinage amounts for what your silver mines make in two years.
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What to do with part of the loot?
A) Give it to the people of Methiant, let them know I'm generous!
B) Throw a big party for me and my soldiers!
C) Put it into the Treasury, of course!
Post by: birdy51 on August 27, 2018, 03:05:45 pm
Probably couldn't hurt to bribe the masses!
Post by: omada on August 27, 2018, 03:08:09 pm
altough A would appease the hapiness that might have got a hit
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 03:09:51 pm
Once our treasury is full and our army has recovered, we can hire Simian or Dwarf help for a great war against the alliance of Eldrican/Rucus/Lamentia
Actually, lets go A
The nobility may never like us, but we can go full populist and at least have the people on our side.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 27, 2018, 03:10:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 03:13:12 pm
C Our economy was at 4 for the last two years, the treasury needs the money.
Hopefully we captured some new resources from Parsia that we may exploit annually. All the treasure we stole has to have come from somewhere.
Also, we should start getting income from our new iron mines soon. Hopefully.
Post by: Baffler on August 27, 2018, 03:14:47 pm
C Our economy was at 4 for the last two years, the treasury needs the money.
Hopefully we captured some new resources from Parsia that we may exploit annually. All the treasure we stole has to have come from somewhere.
Also, we should start getting income from our new iron mines soon. Hopefully.
Didn't we retake the gold mines we pawned off on them all those years ago, or did we get that back in the last war?
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 27, 2018, 03:15:38 pm
C.We got those, but Parsia also had a gemstone mine we recieved tribute from, I hope we captured that one as well now.C Our economy was at 4 for the last two years, the treasury needs the money.
Hopefully we captured some new resources from Parsia that we may exploit annually. All the treasure we stole has to have come from somewhere.
Also, we should start getting income from our new iron mines soon. Hopefully.
Didn't we retake the gold mines we pawned off on them all those years ago, or did we get that back in the last war?
Post by: mightymushroom on August 27, 2018, 03:16:21 pm
The soldiers are happier now. Let's have their enthusiasm spill over into the rest of the population.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 03:16:47 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on August 27, 2018, 03:19:02 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 27, 2018, 03:21:21 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 27, 2018, 03:25:40 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 27, 2018, 03:35:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2018, 03:47:16 pm
1195 AD, Midsummer
Various bureaucratic work has been completed on Parsia; its population is quite big, and thus the numbers on the censuses went up a notch. Also, the gemstone mines on the opposite end of the Parsian mountains are now added to your economy!
Meanwhile, the male line of Cyl's descendants grow; Hein's wife Irvalina borne him another boy, whom she named Alfyn.
1195 AD, Late Summer
Shocking news arrive from Eldrican!
Sadly, the little boy King, Tetan IV, has died from high fever. The regency council, against wishes of some more western-oriented noblemen, have decided to invite Irvalina - or rather, her husband, Hein of Methiant - as the next ruler of Eldrican Kingdom!
They say in a letter that despite being female, Irvalina (and her kids) are the closest in line to the throne after all other claimants dropped dead during plague, and after Tetan IV expired. It seems that they're even dismissing several (distant) cousins n-times removed as potential new Kings of Eldrican, instead opting for someone with already big family...
To some of your courtiers it looks like a sign of desperation and weakness, to other, a solid proof of Yoean prestige and fame. Entirety of Methiantese court is gossiping about this, and Hein, on urging of his wife, is preparing to accept the invitation.
A) Hold it! Hein ain't going nowhere, because reasons!
B) Only if he swears loyalty to Methiantese crown!
C) An adult relative on Eldrican throne? Ka-ching!
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 27, 2018, 03:50:58 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2018, 03:53:09 pm
All this without a single time of Lucky trait activation... therefore I decided that, heck, natural triple 6 demands awesome stuff, so there you go.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 27, 2018, 03:54:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 03:57:53 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 27, 2018, 03:58:14 pm
YEEEEES! THIS MAKES EVERYTHING SO MUCH EASIER!
Post by: Imic on August 27, 2018, 04:06:14 pm
Of they ask, he is our son in law, so we have every right to do so.
(They must not find out that our logic is flawed!)
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 04:11:02 pm
They are far enough apart on the family tree, and we have been good enough at avoiding incest so far, that there shouldn't be any genetic issues.
Post by: ZBridges on August 27, 2018, 04:15:20 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 27, 2018, 04:17:35 pm
B
Of they ask, he is our son in law, so we have every right to do so.
(They must not find out that our logic is flawed!)
Pretty sure Hein is Yoe IV's half-uncle few-times-removed ;v
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Hein laughs at your demand once you make clear it to him.
"Are you drunk again, Doge?"
A) "As your Emperor, I demand your fealty! Obey me!"
B) "It was only an offer. But I hope we remain friends!"
Post by: ZBridges on August 27, 2018, 04:18:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 27, 2018, 04:19:47 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 27, 2018, 04:25:02 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 27, 2018, 04:27:14 pm
Yeah, that was a pretty weird demand.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 27, 2018, 04:28:53 pm
Post by: Imic on August 27, 2018, 04:34:08 pm
Feck, he nearly was tricked inti thinking he was our son in law.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 27, 2018, 05:08:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 27, 2018, 07:53:03 pm
Post by: Draignean on August 27, 2018, 08:00:41 pm
Why tease us with the option haspen if we never had the chance to roll more than a 2. ;-;
Because he wanted us to do much worse.
Rolling a 5 let us get away with a 'lol, funny joke rite m8?' instead of creating some terrible blood feud.
Post by: crazyabe on August 27, 2018, 08:01:37 pm
Post by: omada on August 27, 2018, 11:09:47 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 02:46:29 am
B but C if it becomes an option.
Hey, look on the bright side, this still does make things a lot easier.
Post by: Basil ii on August 28, 2018, 06:23:05 am
Post by: Haspen on August 28, 2018, 12:51:38 pm
1195 AD, Autumn
You hear that Hein ascended the throne of Eldrican and took upon regnal name of Hein I.
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2to4, 2to5, 4to5, 5to6
Glasswork, t'chai leaves and spices sold pretty well! The access to such luxurious goods made your people happier, and Springwine ended the report with a little extra of profits on top.
The court is in uproar (again)!
A certain father of noble family arrived from the south, with a rather shy girl in tow, a little babby, wrapped in a towel, in the maiden's hands. He claims to be Ulran Owalden, and that you produced the child that the girl is holding. It is three-to-six months old, at best, and the father accuses you of sleeping with his daughter, and thus being the child's parent.
You count backwards in time, placing the child's conception somewhere in Autumn last year... you can't really remember this girl. She had longer hair, and less make-up? Maybe?
"So tell me Emperor, are you my grandson's father!?" The moustachioed nobleman glares angrily at you, and many of your courtiers look at you as well. You can bet Wihemina is in audience room, but cannot locate her.
You decide to...
A) Deny it fervently.
B) Acknowledge the fact.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 28, 2018, 12:56:15 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 28, 2018, 12:58:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 28, 2018, 01:01:34 pm
The affair our wife found out about was last Autumn. The kid is probably ours, and we can claim it without having to confess to any crime she doesn't already know about.
Edit: Also, accepting this one now will make people think that at least we are honest about our sexual escapades, and own up to our mistakes. This may make it easier to lie and deny the bastards we cannot afford for our wife to find out about in the future.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 28, 2018, 01:07:50 pm
On the other hand, we kept this affair quiet; making it public risks upsetting the nobles all over again.
If it is the same person, and not an impostor. Seriously, Haspen, this trait is so bad we can't even get a girl's name before/during a canoodle?
Ya know what, B.
I've never been comfortable lying about who we are.
Edit: Weirdsound beat me to both my points.
Post by: ZBridges on August 28, 2018, 01:08:14 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 28, 2018, 01:20:10 pm
If they wanted support they could have come to us privately and gotten the bastard alimony special but now we gotta deny it in public.
Post by: crazyabe on August 28, 2018, 01:23:59 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 28, 2018, 01:46:10 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 02:34:20 pm
We can't risk it. If needs be we can have a private chat with our wife and/or the noble later, but not now. Not in public.
Post by: Haspen on August 28, 2018, 02:44:07 pm
The father, the girl and the babby have to leave and courtiers give them glares, but some of the courtiers also give you some stares as well. Some might be suspecting that you lie, few might be even convinced of it.
You can bet that they won't see it a good light when they consider how much of an 'Emperor' you are!
1195 AD, Mid-Autumn
You're called to a council on economical matters. "Is it about the inflation?" You ask, and the advisors agree.
"Yes, it is. We can all agree that the prices are goign down and our currency has gained in strength."
Inflation has been removed from the Empire.
"We must avoid over-minting our precious metals, and make sure to invest the money to keep it healthily flowing through the system."
1195 AD, Winter
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The fur trade brought enormous profits this year! This only adds to the money made from silver and gold mined in Methiant. Furthermore, Parsian gemstone are of very good quality and earn a bit.
You learn news that Hein I of Eldrican made first diplomatic moves; he has re-strengthened ties with Lametania and Rucus, by the way of setting his youngest daughter Una with one of Rucusian royal princes, as well as setting newborn Alfyn for marriage with Lametinia, second daughter of King of Lametania, Lamallus I.
A) And that is good, we will be one big happy family in the future!
B) This is an insult - shouldn't my children get priviledged deals?
C) We can't be worse. Let's send offers to Lametania and Rucus, too.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 28, 2018, 02:46:20 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 02:46:50 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 28, 2018, 03:00:19 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 03:01:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 28, 2018, 03:06:56 pm
As much as I'd like to invade those places, if we befriend them, we don't have to worry about them stabbing us in the back while we pick fights with The Republic, Rosama, and perhaps even Albion.
Post by: omada on August 28, 2018, 03:07:51 pm
I don't know what we will offer with "C" maybe we can get support in the "shadow war" against the republic and maybe even get some blind eyes when we move our army there
if it's marriage maybe we should go "A" and try first with marrying our boy with some helliste princess and try to annex diplomatically, although helliste is too small and will get smaller for us to not eat them alive or force then to accept being our trade route to something
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 03:12:00 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 28, 2018, 03:14:19 pm
if it's marriage maybe we should go "A" and try first with marrying our boy with some helliste princess and try to annex diplomatically, although helliste is too small and will get smaller for us to not eat them alive or force then to accept being our trade route to something
Our kid sister is already scheduled to marry a Helliste prince any time now.
I think a military alliance is our best possible move with Helliste. They have to live in fear of trouble with Rosama. We have to live in fear of trouble with the Damdamians. It would be nice if we could have each other's back. Perhaps our Charismatic father could help us come to such an arrangement at the upcoming wedding.
I'd rather not fight Rosama due to the pact we have not to go past the mountains and screw with them, since it would be sort of hypocritical for us to break oaths when we constantly get mad over other people breaking oaths. Besides, they'll break it eventually.
Exactly. We now own the Parsian lands they have been known to attack before, and Yoe IV could live a long time. I'd say our odds of fighting them in during Yoe's reign are at least 50/50, even if we don't go looking for that fight.
Post by: Basil ii on August 28, 2018, 03:25:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 28, 2018, 03:29:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 28, 2018, 03:31:16 pm
We still need to find a husband for our older sister. We should try and maximize nephew production, just in case our own marriage implodes before we get a male heir.
Post by: TankKit on August 28, 2018, 03:35:13 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 28, 2018, 04:20:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 28, 2018, 08:17:36 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 29, 2018, 02:26:50 am
C what a pain eldrican and it’s allies have proven to be we need to break that alliance as fast as possible.What? I genuinely do not see the logic here. Please explain what led you to this conclusion. Is it that he's been strengthening ties already and is seemingly going to be diplomatic in general? But if you don't like what he's doing, why are you voting C? More importantly, why don't you like him being diplomatic? I'm confused.
Post by: ZBridges on August 29, 2018, 02:50:32 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 06:09:06 am
oh i just want to divde them before we try to conquer/diplo annex them divide et impera you know.C what a pain eldrican and it’s allies have proven to be we need to break that alliance as fast as possible.What? I genuinely do not see the logic here. Please explain what led you to this conclusion. Is it that he's been strengthening ties already and is seemingly going to be diplomatic in general? But if you don't like what he's doing, why are you voting C? More importantly, why don't you like him being diplomatic? I'm confused.
[edit to explain further I don’t place that much value in grudges I would rather have a bunch of allies which can be diplomatically annexed than a huge horde of enemies that can only be annexed trough difficult military campaigns and a huge waste of resources and manpower]
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2018, 08:48:11 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 08:49:26 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 29, 2018, 08:57:45 am
Post by: Prophet on August 29, 2018, 09:26:19 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 29, 2018, 09:45:46 am
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2018, 10:06:53 am
1195 AD, Midwinter
Peasant uprising in southern Methiant. There's not much to dwell upon; disgruntled fathers and angry brothers are mauling your officials, tax collectors and even random members of nobility, demanding food, money and entertainment.
A) I'm sure I can spend some money on the poor.
B) I've got no time for this.
C) Rebels? More like target practice for the Army!
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2018, 10:09:45 am
I suppose
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 29, 2018, 10:12:26 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 29, 2018, 10:18:18 am
Maybe we can use that new gem mine to pay for a regular calendar of festivities.
You know the hedonist in us wants it.
This is all fine and nice, but only every few months. Once a year, maybe. In the morning, you dismiss the pretty things to better deal with the head-splitting hangover.
You ought to establish some festival schedule or something.
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 10:51:21 am
Maybe we can use that new gem mine to pay for a regular calendar of festivities.neat idea we should do this after we have lifted our imperial authority from the gutter.You know the hedonist in us wants it.
This is all fine and nice, but only every few months. Once a year, maybe. In the morning, you dismiss the pretty things to better deal with the head-splitting hangover.
You ought to establish some festival schedule or something.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 29, 2018, 11:08:46 am
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 11:11:22 am
The whole point is to improve happiness and lift our image out of the gutter.but we still need imperial authority to enact edicts that I think we don’t really have after all the scandals come to think about it it’s kind dumb that the peasants would take issue that we give them a festival regardless of our authority oh well.
Post by: TankKit on August 29, 2018, 11:33:19 am
I am very tempted to go C though.
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2018, 11:33:34 am
1195 AD, Late Winter
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This approach has worked not only in dissuading other peasants from taking up arms and having the already angry ones to calm down, but for other disgruntled men to (quietly) praise you for your generosity.
1195 AD, End of the Year
Finally! You can see the Scrolls of Kingdom Status with your own eyes!
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Happiness: 6
Population: 6
Economy: 12!
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: 0
"Your Majesty! Our Empire has amassed lots of wealth this year, both from trade and plunder and mineral deposits. Even the Treasurer himself is urging you to spend it on something useful or fancy, sire."
A) We will donate some of it to the poor and the needy!
B) Sponsor creation of an bronze-cast statue of yourself!
C) Seek the services of a traveling and powerful Sorceress.
D) Send a lavish gift to one of neighbouring countries.
E) Expand the budget of the Army, so it can maintain even greater numbers.
F) Time to ask the dwarves to commission us a powerful artifact of sorts!
"The Army recuperated its losses from Parsian campaign somewhat, and the authority of Imperial Throne is rising from the abyss it was just a year ago... mayhaps you would like to issue an Edict?"
A) "As much as it pains me, I must once again decline - even if we really should expand our bureaucratic machine, the general situation and atmosphere of the land prohibits such drastic measures to be stamped with the Imperial seal!"
B) "OK!"
"Furthermore, the scribes finished updating the Imperial Map. Please have a look, my liege."
Spoiler: Imperial Map of Methiant, Year 1195 AD (click to show/hide)
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 11:35:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 29, 2018, 11:35:48 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 29, 2018, 11:39:09 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 11:39:55 am
Our inheritance of Cydwyl does not appear to be in any dispute at this juncture.
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 11:39:59 am
Sending Cydwyl a gift may make our inheritance easier and smoother.but the staff would help us with diplo annexations after cydwyl.
Our inheritance of Cydwyl does not appear to be in any dispute at this juncture.wasn’t there a cydwyl faction that wished to stop our future union with cydwyl they might still be around.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 29, 2018, 11:50:58 am
Post by: TankKit on August 29, 2018, 11:52:35 am
More artifacts!
Post by: Haspen on August 29, 2018, 11:54:11 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
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BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Establish Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Pass Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
Post by: TankKit on August 29, 2018, 11:55:09 am
It is time.
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 11:56:24 am
Post by: mightymushroom on August 29, 2018, 12:00:39 pm
From what Dad said, Cydwyl is just barely still with us (probably his charisma saved our butt) and who knows what happens if we accidentally :P tick off our hand-picked Cydwyllian wife. I don't favor an artifact because we've seen what can happen if we rely too heavily on them. (Nor do I know that we can easily get the dwarves to re-create a human scepter.)
Anyway . . .
Establish Calendar of Festivities
I admit that I didn't expect happiness quite that high already, but I still think festivals are worth considering as budgeted public relations rather than one-time expenses. Should help to define and spread a unified culture, too.
Either that or repeal official status for Pantheonism now that we're trying to integrate Parsia. But I was going to wait for a religious clash event before going that direction.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 29, 2018, 12:01:42 pm
If we Pass Advancement of Religion Act, we get more schools, which might lead to a better educated populace.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 29, 2018, 12:03:25 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 12:20:56 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 12:24:33 pm
We have enough luxury resources coming in every year that we shouldn't need a bunch of festivals.you know what fine I’m convinced I will to change my vote.
If we Pass Advancement of Religion Act, we get more schools, which might lead to a better educated populace.
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 29, 2018, 12:26:13 pm
I still think we should do the bill of rights since we are mostly an administrative monarchy with noble hold overs from the past. The sooner all citizens are equal under our absolute rule the better.
Post by: Basil ii on August 29, 2018, 12:29:16 pm
I still think we should do the bill of rights since we are mostly an administrative monarchy with noble hold overs from the past. The sooner all citizens are equal under our absolute rule the better.well we could go anarco monarchist in the future to those that don’t know it was a fringe political theory that argued towards the divine right of kings and Christian ethics.
Or what we could do in the future we could copy the German Kaiserreich system in which the Kaiser had near absolute control over the country but still had a parliament.
Or we could just stay a absolute monarch that’s fine too.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 29, 2018, 12:31:38 pm
We have enough luxury resources coming in every year that we shouldn't need a bunch of festivals.you know what fine I’m convinced 1+
If we Pass Advancement of Religion Act, we get more schools, which might lead to a better educated populace.
I don't think Haspen counts '+1' as a vote. You better change that.
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 29, 2018, 01:02:52 pm
Post by: andrea on August 29, 2018, 01:13:02 pm
For no reason other than our character wants it.
Post by: Prophet on August 29, 2018, 01:33:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 29, 2018, 01:59:00 pm
Theological conferences? A ruler with no wisdom or charisma won't be heard.
For myself, I've never been enamored of the Pantheonists, but for the good of the kingdom I hope this goes better than I fear if it wins. It's an unusual moment in history when a significant fraction of the playerbase is saying let's have the crown hand more official power to the Pantheonist order just because we want to; usually it requires a rebellion and a series of poor rolls (or vice versa).
Post by: Criptfeind on August 29, 2018, 02:05:21 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 02:12:09 pm
For myself, I've never been enamored of the Pantheonists, but for the good of the kingdom I hope this goes better than I fear if it wins. It's an unusual moment in history when a significant fraction of the playerbase is saying let's have the crown hand more official power to the Pantheonist order just because we want to; usually it requires a rebellion and a series of poor rolls (or vice versa).I still hate the pantheonists, but, we're getting cultural improvement edicts again for the first time in generations, so it really seems like the 'tech tree' is biased in favour of reliigion here. Therefore, I figure we should give it a try to see what fun things we get.
Post by: mightymushroom on August 29, 2018, 03:07:14 pm
I still hate the pantheonists, but, we're getting cultural improvement edicts again for the first time in generations, so it really seems like the 'tech tree' is biased in favour of reliigion here.
Hm. How many generations have we argued over the bill of rights without passing it? Maybe the tech tree is "biased" in favor of advancing something? We've never quite had enough support all around to travel down the obvious change branches; in spite of what I'm seeing now even the State Religion was simply handed to us during time skip.
What's truly interesting, in my opinion, is that the Religious Equality proclamation is still there without revoking State Religion first. That gives me hope that we can work respectfully with minority faiths and/or new additions to the empire that aren't native Pantheonists.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 03:09:48 pm
Hm. How many generations have we argued over the bill of rights without passing it? Maybe the tech tree is "biased" in favor of advancing something? We've never quite had enough support all around to travel down the obvious change branches; in spite of what I'm seeing now even the State Religion was simply handed to us during time skip.Nah, we tried the whole Enlightenment thing and got basically jack all.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 29, 2018, 03:13:47 pm
Religious schools? Administrated by the hierarchy, no doubt.
Theological conferences? A ruler with no wisdom or charisma won't be heard.
For myself, I've never been enamored of the Pantheonists, but for the good of the kingdom I hope this goes better than I fear if it wins. It's an unusual moment in history when a significant fraction of the playerbase is saying let's have the crown hand more official power to the Pantheonist order just because we want to; usually it requires a rebellion and a series of poor rolls (or vice versa).
We have a Charismatic father and a wise sister. We do not have to sit in the conferences ourselves.
If we are providing funding for the schools, we should have at least some say over what is taught. Even if we do not, at the very least you have to teach people how to read if you want to teach people how to read scripture.
Other reasons to vote for the Advancement of Religion Act (Or at least not vote for the calendar of festivities) are as follows.
A: If the schools start teaching some math and science, we could have an Islamic Golden Age type situation on our hands.
B: Pushing Pantheonism may help it spread into Parsia, allowing us to better assimilate our new conquest into Methianese culture.
C: It could help strengthen Methianese culture in general, which Haspen pointed out with a handy map awhile back is rather weak.
D: It could make us appear more respectable to deeply Pantheonist Cydwyl, which we are trying to woo.
E: Do you really want to give Yoe IV more reasons to party?
F: Do you really want our nobles to see Yoe IV giving himself more parties?
G: We just betrayed and invaded a large portion of our new citizens, have been tied up in several sex scandals, and our happiness is still decent. Our flow of luxury resources is all we need.
H: Even if for some reason our happiness does get low, what chance do rebels have against our army?
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2018, 03:22:50 pm
Establish Calendar of Festivities
Post by: Criptfeind on August 29, 2018, 03:29:05 pm
Pass Advancement of Religion Act
Post by: TankKit on August 29, 2018, 03:30:37 pm
Post by: auzewasright on August 29, 2018, 05:16:42 pm
After all, Pantheonism helped destroy Lauthbas.
Also, we should probably repeal state religion and increase freedoms. The bill of rights would probably allow us greater edicts... And maybe Absolutism.
Post by: ZBridges on August 29, 2018, 05:44:48 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 29, 2018, 05:46:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2018, 06:09:39 pm
I have a theory that parts of the edict tree synergyse with each other.
Religious equality wouldn't be there if it did nothing, but we got nothing from it. I think we needed Bill of rights going at the same time to advance. Freedom of religion is a fundamentally humanist concept, one we held, but that the people had no concept of.
Personally, I want to try that route again once we get Bill of rights up. I think once we integrate our fathers kingdom and are working with an empire of 3 big nationalities, we will need it to jumpstart a common appreciation of the state, and bind us all together.
If we commit to something like an enforced state religion, it's going to clash with the ideas of personal freedom later on.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 29, 2018, 06:26:55 pm
Freedom of religion is a fundamentally humanist conceptI dispute that pretty strongly from a philosophical perspective. The two are not inherently linked.
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2018, 06:43:38 pm
Post by: Taricus on August 29, 2018, 06:46:34 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 29, 2018, 06:53:49 pm
I have a theory that parts of the edict tree synergyse with each other.
Religious equality wouldn't be there if it did nothing, but we got nothing from it. I think we needed Bill of rights going at the same time to advance. Freedom of religion is a fundamentally humanist concept, one we held, but that the people had no concept of.
This makes a lot of sense, but it's been just too painful and hard to go down that tree. Even if this is the case I think maybe it's worth going down the tree we know will probably cause eventual failure but damn if we haven't been forced repeatedly into it anyway just to see what happens.
Post by: Baffler on August 29, 2018, 06:58:02 pm
Yoe IV is the man for this if anyone is.
Post by: helmacon on August 29, 2018, 06:59:30 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 29, 2018, 07:09:29 pm
I don't think Yoe would accept putting anything else to pen before this. That said... I think that Yoe IV would also be the man to institute a Bill of Rights after his dad passes.
The way I see it... Doing so would upset the normal power structure. So far? Nobles, especially Cwydillian ones have been a thorn in our sides. Instituting something like a Bill of Rights would weaken their power and cement ourselves as a much more favorable ruler. Especially since we know there are spies amongst our midst. Spies that might have even instigated the Peasant Uprisings... We shall flush them out!
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2018, 01:46:48 am
Post by: Imic on August 30, 2018, 04:21:26 am
Calendar of Festivities+1
Post by: auzewasright on August 30, 2018, 05:23:25 am
We've never gone far down the tree, so how do we know how painful and hard it is? It could lead to us discovering Absolutism.I have a theory that parts of the edict tree synergyse with each other.
Religious equality wouldn't be there if it did nothing, but we got nothing from it. I think we needed Bill of rights going at the same time to advance. Freedom of religion is a fundamentally humanist concept, one we held, but that the people had no concept of.
This makes a lot of sense, but it's been just too painful and hard to go down that tree. Even if this is the case I think maybe it's worth going down the tree we know will probably cause eventual failure but damn if we haven't been forced repeatedly into it anyway just to see what happens.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 30, 2018, 05:34:50 am
Post by: auzewasright on August 30, 2018, 06:24:17 am
We've tried a ton to go down the religious equality tree, it's failed every time.We have only done so once, and we never passed the bill of rights edict. I think it's worth it to try again once we integrate The two nations
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 30, 2018, 06:38:11 am
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 10:06:07 am
adv adv adv adv adv adv adv adv = 8
You decide to go with your heart and establish the Calendar of various festivals, with venues, artists and organizators being paid by the crown. You also send for dwarves to come and create you an artifact.
1196 AD
You look through the window at your bedchamber, you look outside and you see soldiers on the walls, warming their hands while the Deathtubes, wrapped in cloth, stand nearby. You see the dark barrels of the siege machines that will shoot metal projectiles at ones besieging the capital.
This is not a sight reserved only in the capital, or just Methiant, too; Eldricans have Fireblood, Cydwyllians have Fireblood, and others outside your borders do too. Allies and enemies are developing their own machines of destruction, and those who cannot end subjugated or pushed into the margins of wilderness. Old fortresses fall under fiery showers of lead, new ones become twice as hard to crack with complement of guns on their battlements.
And its not only states and armies that mingle with the deadly black powder; how often you saw young alchemists earning a penny by mixing up powdered metals with a pinch of Fireblood to create sparkles and lights of different colors, to delight of young screeching children? It seemed so natural of a sight just yesterday, when you were on your way to visit the royal barracks.
As you look outside the window, you realize that you're the witness of something special occuring.
A dawn of new Era; the world is no longer bound by mysticism, feudalism and piety, but rather full of mental freedoms and ripe for conquest by wielders of Fireblood; Fireblood the utility, Fireblood the killer, Fireblood the great.
The world has passed from the Age of Iron into the Age of Fireblood! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_euK27szfs)
Access to Fireblood will no longer yield great benefits.
Lack of Fireblood access will grant penalties.
Fortifications will have lesser effect in warfare.
Industry and sciences will progress more rapidly.
1196 AD, Mid-Spring
Your wife gives birth to a healthy baby boy! In honor of your grandfather, she names him 'Cidric'.
1196 AD, Late Spring
The dwarves have arrived. The whole group of them are smelly, and with unkept beards, they bow before you, rubbing their hands and showing their golden teeth in ugly grins.
"Greeting, Emperor Yoe. We hear that you need our services, and so we are here. As you're a skilled warrior but troubled statesman, we offer to make you an enchanted necklace that will boost your presence and rhetoric, making you able to move the frozen hearts of even most stubborn of your opponents." They give your Treasurer a hastily scribbled scroll, and he furrows his brows, turning to you.
"Sire, they demand two-thirds of Methiantese treasury for this item!"
A) "That is mighty fine! Let them begin at once!"
B) "This is an absurd, a robbery! Get out of my sights, smelly shortstacks!"
C) "Mayhaps there's room for negotiation, yes?"
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 10:09:43 am
That's very expensive for any artifact, no matter how fine.
Post by: Criptfeind on August 30, 2018, 10:10:27 am
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 10:12:04 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 10:20:59 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 30, 2018, 10:41:39 am
We're not a great negotiator, and these are dwarves.
Post by: Draignean on August 30, 2018, 10:43:35 am
Do not open negotiations with people who are literally selling an amulet of negotiation.
Post by: Basil ii on August 30, 2018, 10:56:23 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 11:08:01 am
Post by: Fluffe9911 on August 30, 2018, 11:45:01 am
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 12:07:11 pm
What Fluffe9911 said.
Also, we're now in the Age of Fireblood. Nice to see science progressing well.
Post by: Imic on August 30, 2018, 12:22:19 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2018, 12:28:51 pm
Post by: Taricus on August 30, 2018, 12:32:00 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 12:39:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 12:41:44 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 12:42:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 01:08:04 pm
"Then we will descend into the deepest parts of your dungeon, so in the safety of the darkness and earth we can create the marvel you requested." And so they did.
1196 AD, Summer
It seems that the demand for spices is really going up!
Prices are rising, and while that might be good for the Treasury, people are fighting over it. Already the city guard is investigating several thefts, assaults and even deaths related to the spice trade, the possession of it and apparently 'priviledged' status associated with one being able to afford them - or to afford them more than the nearest neighbour.
A) This nonsense is definitely a sign that our people cannot be given spices anymore!
B) We gotta stomp down on the 'spice nobility' and bring order to the streets at once!
C) Where's an Imperial Trade Commission where you need one? In the Edicts of course.
D) Time to send a message to Mahjar Sim and negotiate greater supply of spices.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 01:08:34 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 01:08:43 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 30, 2018, 01:11:40 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 30, 2018, 01:13:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 01:13:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on August 30, 2018, 01:15:52 pm
Can we wait till the dwarfs finish our negotiation artifact, and then do D?+1
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 01:17:21 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 01:19:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 01:21:47 pm
Few days later, the dwarves emerge from the dungeon. In their hands, a large chain made of golden links, each eye fitted with either a black onyx or a white opal.
"This is the necklace of persuasion that we've made for you, Emperor Yoe of Methiant, per our agreement. Now, again, per agreement, we wish to be paid in full."
A) "How about postponement? I kinda like my Treasury being full!"
B) "There has been change of plans. Guards, get rid of these dwarves!!"
C) "Of course, you will be given the money in reward for your service."
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 01:22:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2018, 01:22:33 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 30, 2018, 01:23:56 pm
Lets pay when we know we can afford it. 8 economy is just way too much to leave hanging out on a timer. Also we actually need to spend money now before it goes bad from us having too much.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 01:24:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 01:24:22 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 30, 2018, 01:25:37 pm
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 01:32:52 pm
Also Basil, you chose the option to give them the money on time.
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 01:35:07 pm
The dwarves leave in less than an hour, taking your wealth in covered wagons.
1196 AD, Midsummer
A reply from Mahjar Sim arrives; unfortunately, currently the plantations in far eastern Sim would not be able to meet your demand, and he would rather not anger his southernly trading partners by cutting flow of spices to them just to redirect them to Methiant.
In an afterthought, he asks whether Emperor of Methiant would be interested in more tchai leaves, for his land has still plenty of them to share.
As for the spice dilemma...
A) Well, there we go - no more spices for peoples of Methiant!
B) Time to get rough and bring order to the spice-snorting crazies out there!
C) Get me the Edicts' book, the Trade Commission will handle prices and rationing of spices!
As for extra t'chai leaves...
A) We gonna buy extra and then have noone to sell it. Nuh-uh!
B) Fine, extra t'chai leaves, extra hot drinks for us!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 30, 2018, 01:37:13 pm
Does anyone have any idea how good the leaves are currently?
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 01:37:17 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 01:38:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 01:39:13 pm
I suggest something more like a D: "Would you care for some extra money to help you expand those plantations then? I'm sure we can come to some kind of partial ownership agreement..."
No. From both logical, political and especially logistical point of view, this is absurd.
Post by: TankKit on August 30, 2018, 01:42:21 pm
BB
Post by: Basil ii on August 30, 2018, 01:42:39 pm
[I don’t think methiant has the right temperature/soil for the spices maybe in a few regions of conquered parsia but I really think that even if we can grow them it’s just more economical to purchase it from Gupta because they have both the expertise and the right climate/soil.]
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 01:48:29 pm
Post by: Taricus on August 30, 2018, 01:49:56 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 30, 2018, 01:53:37 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 01:59:41 pm
Edit: Changed vote. We just increased our population, so we should be able to sell more leaves. Even if we do not, we could sell the excess further west.
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 04:11:05 pm
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You send in elements of the Shadowranks and the Army to help the city guards crack down on the lawlessness the spice trade incurs, and agree to accept more t'chai leaves from Sim Empire, too.
1196 AD, Late Summer
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The crackdown on spice 'mafia' was successful. Some people unfortunately departed to the afterlife and several influential families (and people tied to them) got a little miffed, but otherwise the problem has been solved smoothly.
1196 AD, Autumn
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Glasswork brought some profits, and again Springwine sold within exceptations. There has been curious lowering of demand for t'chai and spices, which forced the Treasury to lower the proxy pricing of these wares. Even then, some profits were made.
A really busy day in audience room awaits you, Emperor! An official sent by the colony governors in the far north has come with report on the iron mines, a skilled artisan and jeweller is also here, asking for financial support, plus there's also a group of dwarven coinmasters who, on behalf of their High King, wish to indulge in some financial cooperation between the dwarven halls and Methiant Empire.
Who gets the priority?
A) The governors' envoy.
B) The artisan in need.
C) The businessdwarves.
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 04:12:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2018, 04:17:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 04:25:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 04:25:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 04:30:20 pm
The report he carries mentions that the iron mines are already exceeding all expectations; the quality of the ore turned out to be really high, and already the local furnaces are making weapon-grade cast iron and even steel alloys without much hassle.
The Treasurer approaches you with an idea.
"Emperor, while we could profit from selling of steel wares or weapons outside Methiant, I believe it would be better if we were to devote the iron mines to exclusively supply Methiantese Army. It could potentially lower the maintenace costs of our superior military by as much as a fourth or a fifth of what we pay today."
A) "I'm sure we can get more money from trading the steel away, to someone, somewhere."
B) "Less money spent on the Army means more money in the Treasury... I like the sound of that."
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 04:31:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 04:32:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 04:33:37 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 30, 2018, 04:37:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 04:37:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 04:40:54 pm
Just as you send the envoy away and prepare to invite dwarves or the artisan over, the guards come over and mention that a messenger from Orcworld Fortress has arrived, bringing urgent news.
A) Urgent news? Get him in right away!
B) Orcworld can wait. Bring in the dwarves!
C) Orcworld can wait. Bring in the artisan!
Post by: crazyabe on August 30, 2018, 04:42:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 04:43:23 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 04:44:02 pm
Post by: auzewasright on August 30, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 04:47:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on August 30, 2018, 04:53:20 pm
Kotekbacek Greedpus the Inks of Violation has arrived! An enormous centipede made of pure steel, with head of a small feline. It's enormous legs cause tremors with each move. Thunderbolts strike the hapless victims whenever it opens its maw. Its whispers are heard behind any wall and even by those who are asleep. Beware its paralytic gaze!
The beast in question has simply appeared on southern horizon one day, and has been slowly making its way to the Orcworld Fortress, killing every scout that tried to get close. The officers of the Fortress called in reinforcements from other side of the portal whilst sending this envoy with request of assistance from the Crown, too.
A) Send in the Army! It will blow this insectoid chimera up in no time!
B) We must find a Wizard to kill this thing, and quick!
C) Stop aggroing and it will go away on its own, you idiots!
D) Adventurers? Yes, lvl40+ adventurers should do the trick!
E) Fools! Get me the sword, your Emperor will kill it all by himself!!!
Post by: Criptfeind on August 30, 2018, 04:54:13 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 30, 2018, 04:54:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 04:55:59 pm
Wizard Quests are fun!
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 30, 2018, 05:04:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 05:05:12 pm
Also, C! C, I say!
Post by: crazyabe on August 30, 2018, 05:36:16 pm
Post by: Prophet on August 30, 2018, 06:35:15 pm
As you look outside the window, you realize that you're the witness of something special occuring.
A dawn of new Era; the world is no longer bound by mysticism, feudalism and piety, but rather full of mental freedoms and ripe for conquest by wielders of Fireblood; Fireblood the utility, Fireblood the killer, Fireblood the great.
The world has passed from the Age of Iron into the Age of Fireblood! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_euK27szfs)
Access to Fireblood will no longer yield great benefits.
Lack of Fireblood access will grant penalties.
Fortifications will have lesser effect in warfare.
Industry and sciences will progress more rapidly.
Mysticism, Feudalism, and Piety are wonderful though! I knew fireblood would bring on something horrible eventually. >:( Well I've already committed myself to Magic, Pantheonism, and Honorable Luathbasian Monarchy so I guess those goals are only going to get harder to strive towards now.
Post by: auzewasright on August 30, 2018, 06:53:00 pm
BLauthbasian united state may be just as reachable, abet we might need to use some blood and iron in order to eliminate contenders.As you look outside the window, you realize that you're the witness of something special occuring.
A dawn of new Era; the world is no longer bound by mysticism, feudalism and piety, but rather full of mental freedoms and ripe for conquest by wielders of Fireblood; Fireblood the utility, Fireblood the killer, Fireblood the great.
The world has passed from the Age of Iron into the Age of Fireblood! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_euK27szfs)
Access to Fireblood will no longer yield great benefits.
Lack of Fireblood access will grant penalties.
Fortifications will have lesser effect in warfare.
Industry and sciences will progress more rapidly.
Mysticism, Feudalism, and Piety are wonderful though! I knew fireblood would bring on something horrible eventually. >:( Well I've already committed myself to Magic, Pantheonism, and Honorable Luathbasian Monarchy so I guess those goals are only going to get harder to strive towards now.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 07:59:16 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 30, 2018, 08:04:58 pm
The only Luathbasian land we do not yet control is Koi, right? Our cousin is King of Eldrican now. Perhaps next time we max out our economy, we could try and buy it.
This was Luathbas at the greatest extent of its territory.
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And this is us now:
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The map is a bit different but from the looks of it we need the Duchy of Koi, maybe the Duchy of Eval (Chunug was our vassal at the time but it was very loosely affiliated), Ankurvat, and a bit further west of all that to hit the old border.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 08:07:52 pm
Post by: omada on August 30, 2018, 08:55:59 pm
bonus point for sending a gift to eldrican, making sure we have a safe trade route to those countries on the west, surely they can sell us something that we will gladly accept, or re-sell them on far lands for higher prices
who wouldn't want some griffins on their fields or as pets?
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 09:13:22 pm
okay, we need to get military superiority again for once, maybe next year we can still manage to get a high number on economy, we should give money to eldrican and undo our bad roll in trying to making him bow to us and put that advanced religion stuff, it's the closest we can come to public schools for now, improve our superiority in terms of science and maybe once again have military superiority
bonus point for sending a gift to eldrican, making sure we have a safe trade route to those countries on the west, surely they can sell us something that we will gladly accept, or re-sell them on far lands for higher prices
who wouldn't want some griffins on their fields or as pets?
I agree with all this, but I think too many people here hold a grudge against the Pantheonists over what happened to Yoe III for the plan to get enough votes.
Post by: Taricus on August 30, 2018, 09:21:03 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 30, 2018, 09:51:25 pm
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End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:. . . and the ruler of Eldrican (or his heir) is a fairly close relative we could easily name. I think this may be (at least in part) the awesomeness Haspen was thinking of when he said Hein taking over Eldrican would be worthy of triple 6s. This could be our next target after Cydwyl – it's arguably already a better choice than our previous declaration of Cyl for Yoe's heir if they are receptive.
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
As far as Pantheonism, I like the idea of schools but I am wary of the clergy's historical tendency to envy the crown's prerogatives. I'm also aware that beyond Cydwyl and possibly Helliste, we are out of Pantheon-sympathetic nations and our neighbors, including trade partners, are likely to be less friendly if we push too fast down this path.
Post by: omada on August 30, 2018, 10:05:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 30, 2018, 10:38:17 pm
. . . and the ruler of Eldrican (or his heir) is a fairly close relative we could easily name. I think this may be (at least in part) the awesomeness Haspen was thinking of when he said Hein taking over Eldrican would be worthy of triple 6s. This could be our next target after Cydwyl – it's arguably already a better choice than our previous declaration of Cyl for Yoe's heir if they are receptive.
Did you miss that we just had a legitimate son? I don't think Cydwyl would be too keen on being Anexed if we announce plans of taking the Imperial Crown from their King's direct bloodline.
Peaceful assimilation will likely take a few decades.
Post by: Haspen on August 31, 2018, 12:00:41 am
You still have audiences to do, however.
A) Time to speak with that artisan.
B) Let the businessdwarves in.
Post by: Basil ii on August 31, 2018, 12:04:08 am
Post by: ZBridges on August 31, 2018, 12:04:55 am
Post by: omada on August 31, 2018, 12:17:02 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 31, 2018, 12:32:09 am
Post by: helmacon on August 31, 2018, 12:54:10 am
Post by: crazyabe on August 31, 2018, 01:11:41 am
Post by: TankKit on August 31, 2018, 03:23:04 am
It's beginning to bug me that people seem determined to curse our empire with the name of an old failed kingdom that most other kingdoms likely don't care about that much. We can easily become powerful with our name, in fact I'm pretty sure we already currently are far more powerful than the kingdom of Luathbas ever was. Also, on the pantheonism thing, I've decided that I don't trust them. Besides, why worship religion when you can worship the glories of SCIENCE!
Post by: mightymushroom on August 31, 2018, 07:08:12 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 31, 2018, 08:12:47 am
Post by: Weirdsound on August 31, 2018, 09:00:31 am
B
It's beginning to bug me that people seem determined to curse our empire with the name of an old failed kingdom that most other kingdoms likely don't care about that much. We can easily become powerful with our name, in fact I'm pretty sure we already currently are far more powerful than the kingdom of Luathbas ever was. Also, on the pantheonism thing, I've decided that I don't trust them. Besides, why worship religion when you can worship the glories of SCIENCE!
I'm actually kinda ambivalent towards the whole Luathbas/Pantheonism thing, but that agenda aligns well with our goal of peacefully assimilating traditional Pantheonist Cydwyl. I'd consider changing course once we annex the north and hold it for several decades without issue.
That said, I'd rather not wait that long to get some kind of schools going, so I would rather go all in on the Advancement of Religion Act now.
Post by: Imic on August 31, 2018, 09:02:50 am
That said, I'd rather not wait that long to get some kind of schools going, so I would rather go all in on the Advancement of Religion Act now.I agree. Smarter people work better.
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2018, 09:47:15 am
Post by: Haspen on August 31, 2018, 05:24:32 pm
They wear golden robes; indeed, the fabric glitters as they move, made of pure golden thread. On their heads there are circles of silver and with gemstones set at forehead. They bow before you and clap their hands. The one with longest and whitest of beards steps forward to speak.
"Greetings, Emperor Yoe, we here to make business. We see trade and people keeping their coinage at home, or with less than trusted persons, but we the dwarves have the Vaults."
He further elaborates that Vaults are places where dwarves store the money of their clients, in exchange handing them out a stamped writ of guarantee. Then, that person can travel all the way across continent to another dwarven hall, bring the writ to local vault, and take out money, with only a small 'handling fee' substracted from the amount.
"Even humans and elves give money to us, to keep it safe!"
"Why would they trust you?"
"We skilled coin-makers and proud warriors. Money is life - and life is valuable, yes yes?"
A) "This strange Vault organization will have no place in Methiant!"
B) "A neat idea, I will keep it on my edicts' list for future consideration."
C) "Money given out for a paper? Where do I sign up for this??"
Post by: Criptfeind on August 31, 2018, 05:28:47 pm
How insane. Obviously us going off the gold standard might make sense at some point, but we need to do it with Methianese banks, not foreign ones.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 31, 2018, 05:38:09 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 31, 2018, 05:39:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 31, 2018, 05:53:03 pm
I like this idea, but it strikes me as something we will want a higher than 0 authority score before attempting to implement.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 31, 2018, 05:55:42 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 31, 2018, 06:09:46 pm
It appears to be permission for the dwarves to set up shop. Nothing in the proposal requires our citizens to participate and no authority is needed to force them. Meanwhile the benefits should be obvious for traveling merchants. As we haven't actually seen an edict for setting up human banks yet, nor have enough bling to do so internationally, I say we use these guys to further leverage our economic power.
(Better than relying on dwarves solely for artifacts in an age of Science, I think.)
Post by: Criptfeind on August 31, 2018, 06:14:26 pm
However, it doesn't really make sense for this to be asking for some sort of general approval of these services, Methiant is surrounded by dwarven holds, traveling merchants can already very easily take advantage of these services in Methiant.
They have to either be asking to set up some sort of banks within our land, or for us to personally use their system. Either way, I think the answer is no. (Banks within our lands might not be a bad idea, but we need to have ultimate control over them, not the dwarves... I guess I wouldn't be opposed to working WITH the dwarves to set up a system, but not just giving them carte blanche.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 31, 2018, 06:16:36 pm
They have to either be asking to set up some sort of banks within our land,[...]I think the answer is no.That's what I think they're asking for, and why would we say no?
Post by: Criptfeind on August 31, 2018, 06:19:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 31, 2018, 06:32:01 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on August 31, 2018, 06:47:13 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 31, 2018, 07:14:10 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on August 31, 2018, 07:15:16 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 31, 2018, 07:33:47 pm
Post by: ZBridges on August 31, 2018, 07:35:48 pm
C. We don't want the dwarves to be in charge of our money supply. This is just the dwarves taking all of our actual money and leaving us out to dry with scraps of paper if we ever make them mad, plus our economy isn't really structured in a way that moving from precious coinage to what essentially amounts to scrip a good decision anyway.
C is accepting their offer. It sounds like you mean A or B.
Post by: Baffler on August 31, 2018, 07:37:06 pm
Post by: crazyabe on August 31, 2018, 07:46:50 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on August 31, 2018, 07:50:43 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on August 31, 2018, 07:54:30 pm
Just, anyone who wants this, I understand the appeal of paper money and central banking. Okay, but why would we give the keys to our economy to a foreign power? Especially one stronger then us.
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 31, 2018, 07:56:16 pm
I'm not sure if it's been proven that dwarves don't lie... But even if that's the case, so what? They've not offered a guarantee that we'll be able to get our money back if we go to war or they decide to fuck with us, and they've proven they are willing to go to war and screw us over.Because if they attack us we can seize all their assets within our borders.
Just, anyone who wants this, I understand the appeal of paper money and central banking. Okay, but why would we give the keys to our economy to a foreign power?
Post by: Criptfeind on August 31, 2018, 08:00:32 pm
Post by: Basil ii on August 31, 2018, 08:05:19 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 31, 2018, 10:29:06 pm
I'm not sure if it's been proven that dwarves don't lie... But even if that's the case, so what? They've not offered a guarantee that we'll be able to get our money back if we go to war or they decide to fuck with us, and they've proven they are willing to go to war and screw us over.
Just, anyone who wants this, I understand the appeal of paper money and central banking. Okay, but why would we give the keys to our economy to a foreign power? Especially one stronger then us.
This isn't really even banking, we're essentially just renting space in their vault. They aren't paying us interest, and withdrawal carries (probably quite substantial) fees. We're essentially just paying them for the privilege of taking all of our gold. So they not only have their hands on our cash supply, we have no idea of the actual value of the scrip they give us is. It could be that nobody except maybe the Eldricians (who apparently have very good relations with the dwarves) will even consider accepting scrip instead of coinage because there are no dwarves around, or they're not convinced it's real, or they want to spend it somewhere that will most definitely not accept it, or any number of other things. On the other hand, we know for certain that anyone will be happy to accept our metal coinage.
Post by: Weirdsound on August 31, 2018, 10:30:31 pm
Post by: omada on August 31, 2018, 10:55:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 01, 2018, 02:18:09 am
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You thank them for the offer and say you will consider it in (maybe near) future.
Before you can call the artisan in, the guards say yet another messenger has arrived, with a report about rioting in eastern Parsia!
A) Oh no, Parsians are rioting, who could've seen it coming? Bring him in.
B) I've already dealt with one urgency, now I will talk about artwork!
Post by: ZBridges on September 01, 2018, 02:18:39 am
Post by: TankKit on September 01, 2018, 02:19:25 am
That poor guy just keeps getting stopped before he gets to talk about art.
Post by: Basil ii on September 01, 2018, 02:27:25 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 01, 2018, 02:30:15 am
Post by: Haspen on September 01, 2018, 02:33:44 am
As it turns out, one of minor local nobles in eastern Parsia has convinced the preists of Eleven Graces that he is bound to free the proud Parsian people from the yoke of western weaklings. So they've annointed him with oils of the Eleven and told 'go, and kill the Methiantese', because as far as it goes, this man, Manan Kakebab, has took over a small garrison and from there, he is directing his supporters to assault Methiantese people, be it soldiers on patrol or ordinary citizens. So far, his efforts are very local and others elsewhere in Parsia aren't willing to help him.
A) We ought to negotiate, he is doing more harm to Parsia than us!
B) A small fly, he will die off before he gets anywhere.
C) Do you hear that? It's the sound of our Army kicking his face in!
Post by: Basil ii on September 01, 2018, 02:35:11 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 01, 2018, 02:39:35 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 01, 2018, 02:44:57 am
We do not negotiate with terrorists. Time to purge him and his priests.
Post by: Taricus on September 01, 2018, 02:47:13 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 01, 2018, 03:01:25 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 01, 2018, 03:26:26 am
C
Post by: TankKit on September 01, 2018, 03:53:41 am
Time to die.
Post by: helmacon on September 01, 2018, 05:00:03 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 01, 2018, 07:57:59 am
Gotta gain those tyranny points!
Post by: Haspen on September 01, 2018, 08:52:13 am
The artisan finally is let in.
"Greetings, your majesty! I'm Anselm Astarsson, a jeweler and sculptor by trade. The parsian gemstones recently acquired by the Crown are of best quality for what I had in mind; a monumental statue made of lapis lazuli, opals and onyxes, which are mined there. I wouldn't adorn a marble with gemstones, no - I'm thinking about fusing and polishing hundreds of gemstones together to create something truly beautiful."
"You want funds?" You ask, and the artisan shakes his head.
"No, I would like sole access to Parsian gemstones this year. And maybe next, yes, so I can pick the shiniest for top layer and those of lower quality for the bulk of the statue."
A) "You are cray cray, what do I need a gemstone statue for??"
B) "Sounds lovely. You have the gems! Make the best statue you could dream of!"
C) "Alrighty, but I'm telling you what will be the sculpture's theme."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 01, 2018, 08:54:58 am
I don't think we have the cash for this.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 01, 2018, 08:58:01 am
Actually from what was said when we acquired the mines, I think they equal +1/year. A reasonable investment for a statue; I just think it sounds gaudy, and I don't like the open-endedness about how long he might take.
Post by: TankKit on September 01, 2018, 09:14:51 am
I'm all for the statue but before that it's question time.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 01, 2018, 09:15:17 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 01, 2018, 09:25:07 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 01, 2018, 09:34:08 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 01, 2018, 09:49:50 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 01, 2018, 09:59:58 am
We might have spend our money cleaning up after a megabeast and a Parsian riot. So sorry, but not the best time.
Post by: Basil ii on September 01, 2018, 10:23:27 am
Post by: helmacon on September 01, 2018, 11:51:18 am
I mean... It really doesn't sound like it would be very good. It would probably end up looking like a blob of melted crayons.
Post by: omada on September 01, 2018, 03:21:25 pm
if he said that we would wait for a particular giant gemstone to appear and make a statue made of pure onyx or something that would be ok, or just make a fuckton of jewels that we could send as gift to our nobles
A
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 10:05:13 am
You wait a moment, staring expectantly at the doors. It's over? Phew. Finally.
1196 AD, Mid-Autumn
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The Army crushed the rebellion, and executed the ringleaders, although many middlemen escaped punishment, and the casualties amongst the Army were higher than expected.
Meanwhile, alarming reports arrive from your messengers - not a single Wizard has been found! According to reports gathered from innkeepers, vagabonds and rangers, it seems that Wizards have been a rare sight for several years already, and haven't been seen in Methiant at all since the arrival of Kotekbacek in the Orcworld.
And speaking of the beast, it has assaulted the Fortress! Hundreds of its brave crew perished, as Fireblood bombardments had little effect. Surviving soldiers have fled the fortress for Methiant, while the gigantic steel centipede is thrashing the castle.
A) No no no, soldiers get back, we will kill this thing the old way!
B) It will do its thing, and then go away, right? Right?
C) We must intensify our search for the Wizards!
D) Maybe its time to hire lvl40+ adventurers to deal with this thing?
E) BRING ME MY SWORD! IT'S TIME TO BECOME A BEASTSLAYA!!
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 02, 2018, 10:07:38 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 02, 2018, 10:14:31 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 02, 2018, 10:19:48 am
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 10:20:42 am
Post by: Rockeater on September 02, 2018, 10:22:55 am
Can we do A and E?
Post by: Weirdsound on September 02, 2018, 10:32:38 am
If we win, we are legendary Beast Slayers.
If we lose, our non-hedoinist father becomes emperor, and Unites Methiant with Cydwyl.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 02, 2018, 10:37:47 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 02, 2018, 10:44:27 am
Post by: Imic on September 02, 2018, 10:55:14 am
E+1
If we win, we are legendary Beast Slayers.
If we lose, our non-hedoinist father becomes emperor, and Unites Methiant with Cydwyl.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 02, 2018, 11:09:00 am
I don't think the dying part is a good plan but I do approve of using our magic sword in such a situation.
(Too bad I can't recall any artifacts of Lightning Breath Protection or Not Getting Crushed When a Giant Steel Creature Falls On Your Head.)
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 02, 2018, 11:13:13 am
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 11:22:43 am
You announce that you will defeat the monstrosity yourself! The courtiers are aghast at your decision, but you're the Emperor, and you will show what being an Emperor means! You take the Flying Horse with you, which is somewhat in depressed state. Despite the caretakers trying to care for it, it seems emaciated and weak.
A week later, you pass the gate into the tunnel, and walk through the darkness, lit by torches hanging on the wall.
You cross into the alien world, but you cannot concentrate on the unknown sky, for the demolished Fortress lies few minutes of walk in front of you. You can see the shiny steel carapace of the mighty beast poking between holes of the wall. It seems to have nested in the ruins.
Suddenly you realize that soldiers that were keeping watch at the Orcworld's side of the tunnel have all fled to Methiant. Cowards!
A) Time to sneak to the fortress!
B) Let's wait and watch for now.
C) Flying Horse, I choose you!
Post by: Rockeater on September 02, 2018, 11:23:57 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 02, 2018, 11:25:07 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 02, 2018, 11:28:46 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 02, 2018, 11:40:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 02, 2018, 11:41:44 am
C
Post by: mightymushroom on September 02, 2018, 11:59:29 am
It's a Sword of Puncturing. We just need to sneak close and give it one good puncture.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 02, 2018, 12:09:53 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 02, 2018, 12:40:29 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 01:15:37 pm
And you manage to do just that! From barely heard rustling, you assume the beast is, indeed, sleeping.
You decide to...
A) Simply walk up to its head and strike with the Sword into its brain!
B) Have the Flying Horse go and fry its face off with eye beams!
C) Devise elaborate plan of pushing some rubble to smash its head in!
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 02, 2018, 01:17:34 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 02, 2018, 01:18:03 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 02, 2018, 01:21:42 pm
Post by: crazyabe on September 02, 2018, 01:35:22 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 01:41:01 pm
As you turn the corner and its open eyes gaze on you, you realize that this beast isn't one that sleeps, but merely rests.
You are paralyzed by its demonic gaze!
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Autofailure due to Paralysis spell!
The toothy feline head rushes you and impales you on one of its fangs, sending you flying into the rubble. You hear a loud shriek-like neigh, and see - blurrily - that the Flying Horse has come to rescue you!
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It blasts Kotekbacek with its fiery gaze! The wretched beasts roars in terror as its eyes are terribly burnt and damaged. The gigantic still body wretches and trashes about, smashing apart leftover fortifications, sending smaller and larger chunks of rubble flying.
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The paralytic gaze loses its hold on you, and you feel everything more than clearly. You try not to look at your body, because you can easily feel the gaping hole, the blood leaking and the mangled innards. How are you still conscious is beyond normal comprehension.
You're suddenly aware that you might not be returning to Wihemina anytime soon.
A) Time to crawl up to the beast and stab it in the abdomen!
B) The beast's distracted with the horse, I've gotta get to safety!
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 02, 2018, 01:42:33 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 02, 2018, 01:43:32 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 02, 2018, 01:48:24 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 02, 2018, 01:57:23 pm
Post by: Imic on September 02, 2018, 02:08:56 pm
Another day, another monarch added to the steadily growing heap around Haspen's ultimate throne of the Kingdom of Spam.
Post by: crazyabe on September 02, 2018, 02:17:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 02, 2018, 02:52:14 pm
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Meanwhile, the beast latches onto the Flying Horse, biting its body nearly in half! It sends the beautiful white beast into the rubble.
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You make your way to the beast, and once you see it's body writhe about near you, you raise the sword and stab hard!
With a loud shriek, Kotekbacek writhes away, the sword making its flesh burn, smoke and shine with sick, red glow. The megabeast then shrieks and rears itself before collapsing onto its back. Then it rolls around itself and, in a total shock and amok, climbs over the wall, only to writhe on the rubble again.
The vile beast is in its death spasms!
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And that's the last thing you see, unfortunately.
1196 AD, Late Autumn
You are Cyl, King of Cydwyl!
You arrive with haste in capital of Methiantese Empire, Methe, for your son has perished in the fight against Kotekbacek Greedpus the Inks of Violation (posthumously hailed as 'The Beastslayer')! Per inheritance agreement, yours is now the Imperial Crown of Methiant!
There's great discontent between Cydwyllian and Methiantese nobility which becomes evident once they sit down to talk about political and administrative structure of the Empire from now on, for the Cydwyllians aren't willing to become yet another provincial peoples but the Methiantese aren't willing to accept any Cydwyllian pretense at superiority or overlordship (as you are, by precedence of your origins, King of Cydwyl first and Emperor of Methiant second).
There are numerous things to discuss, including...
The name of the Empire.
A) It shall remain Empire of Methiant.
B) It will be Empire of Methiant-Cydwyl from now on!
C) It will be Yoean Empire from now on!
The capital city of the Empire.
A) It will be the old Methiantese capital, Methe.
B) It will be the old Cydwyllian capital, Cylla.
C) It will be the old and prestigious city of Luathbas.
D) It will be some big city between the lands, we can find one for sure.
The banner of the Empire, for there are several variants. Green is color of Methiant, Blue is color of Cydwyl, the Gold Stag is emblem of Methiant, the White Lynx is emblem of Cydwyl, the Green Eagle is emblem of Yoean Dynasty, and gold is simply royal.
Spoiler: A) Or, an eagle vert crowned sanguine, a bordure of the same (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: C) Vert a stag or impaled with azure a lynx argent armed gules (click to show/hide)
Also, for funeral proceedings for the brave (and foolish) son of yours, Yoe IV. Bodies of his and the Flying Horse have been recovered, but the Horse's carcass already decomposed into a pile of salt. The acidic blood of Kotekbacek has rendered its steel corpse unrecoverable, and the ruined Orcworld Fortress will take months to clean and even more time to rebuild.
But back to the mausoleum!
A) Like others of Methiantese royals, he will get a grave in family tomb.
B) He deserves a separate tomb, we can afford it for sure.
//Pls no split votes, also due to amount of options this vote will take a day or so.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 02, 2018, 02:55:22 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 02, 2018, 02:59:01 pm
This makes me sad. I was looking forward to seeing what sort of shenanigans hedonism could've got us into.
Post by: omada on September 02, 2018, 03:18:28 pm
I know that I think that most of these options are just for beauty reasons or roleplay, but I won't let some symbolism pass
in the first option A rejects Cydwillians, I choose B contemplate both, C focus on our Dinasty over everybody else, it can mean both a bonus for authority or an clear reason for every subject call us arrogant
in the second: D we were planning to do this for a long time, we will have how to deal with both north and south easier, chosing one of the first two options means to appease and having to deal more with that nobility C is just for historical bullshitery
the third: A will fit like a glove if we chose "the yoean dinasty" B contemplates everybody and put our flag in the middle of the nation C is a horrible idea, really, COME ON, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TIGER IS GOING TO DEVOUR THE FUCKING STAG, D is okay
the fourth: A no expenses, we will have many already, altough We should start making an habit of making a separate tomb for members of the dinasty that died defending the nation
Post by: mightymushroom on September 02, 2018, 03:28:32 pm
Inasmuch as Cydwyl is united by family rather than conquest I can honor them in our name. (But it's not a strong preference, just giving them acknowledgment in light of my choice for capital.)
Of the three named choices, good old Methe would seem to be most central to all our lands (Cylla is north, Luathbas is farther west). Haspen may be able to make something up for the other choice, but this is pretty good already. (Anything more central would be practically smack in the middle of Tiftit Valley, eh?)
A bit ornate, but it will guarantee more work for the shield painters and banner sewers. Job security!
I believe we've only had the one exception for burial, and that was out of fear of a magic curse. Our family should stay together.
Edit Add: When an army of the best trained soldiers broke and fled, our guy and his faithful steed went forward and slew a giant, magical beast made out of freaking steel. If that doesn't earn our dynasty some cred I don't know what will.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 02, 2018, 03:34:03 pm
The name will please both the Methianthese and the Cydwyllians.
The City of Methe is undoubtedbly best suited, as it has been the seat of a large empire for a decent time and should have the infrastructure to maintain one.
Simply the most beautiful one.
It would seem more of an honour to have him buried with the other legends of his dynasty rather than in a separate enclosure.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 02, 2018, 03:35:55 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 02, 2018, 03:49:33 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 02, 2018, 04:09:00 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 02, 2018, 04:13:19 pm
How am I still so immature
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 02, 2018, 04:24:38 pm
Christ I just noticed that lyx's got a love rodSo does the stag, it's a proud family tradition
How am I still so immature
CDBA
Post by: helmacon on September 02, 2018, 04:43:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 02, 2018, 05:00:14 pm
I can't believe you guys got our genius character killed just to kill a megabeast... >:(Yeah, I know, I'm not sure when the plan became "walk up and stab it directly in the face".
Post by: Taricus on September 02, 2018, 05:44:31 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 02, 2018, 06:13:15 pm
B - Cydwyl can keep its capital (We should at least take a token effort to subvert the demon prophecy dream by moving the capital)
A - Avoids the nationalistic colors and symbols, and instead focuses on the Yoean dynasty
A - The family tomb was good enough for Cyl the Great. It is good enough for Yoe The Beastslayer.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 02, 2018, 06:29:59 pm
I think you got the tomb options mixed up.
And, what is this with moving the capital? Did I miss something? (I know I have before.)
The dream I remember (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7739085#msg7739085) focuses on our wife and children and sounds to me just as likely to be prophetic of treachery (foreign agents? not our natural sons?) as of demons. I don't know that the city matters.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 02, 2018, 06:37:44 pm
As for the dream, I know changing the Capital probably wont help, but the prophecy seems bad enough that I think it is worth trying at least.
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 02, 2018, 08:13:46 pm
B
A
B
B
Special tomb for the guy you guys sent to fight some monster.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 02, 2018, 09:03:22 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 02, 2018, 09:14:40 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 02, 2018, 09:36:24 pm
I didn't vote for it myself, but I also hadn't realized that it had gorgon powers. However, making Cyl our heir was definitely a good call... For now anyways.It probably didn't help that it had been such a time since the description. I went back and read what it was, but I see why others wouldn't bother.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 02, 2018, 09:44:32 pm
And also that's why it was a bad idea to go at all, because no matter what we picked it would be deadly dangerous, that said I think like half the people at this point wanted our character to die anyway so actually were probably rooting for this outcome. And I can hardly blame them, he was certainly a magnet for trouble.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 02, 2018, 09:51:17 pm
I didn't vote for it myself, but I also hadn't realized that it had gorgon powers. However, making Cyl our heir was definitely a good call... For now anyways.It probably didn't help that it had been such a time since the description. I went back and read what it was, but I see why others wouldn't bother.
I knew what it could do. I figured our odds were 50/50 at best.
But I also knew that if we died, we would get Cydwyl before Yoe IV could cock up the whole inheritance with his hedonism, AND we would have an already Charismatic Emperor with an artifact of negotiation. We were just talking about how Yoe was becoming a Despot during the Parsia war, well, we just let him die a hero before he could go full villain.
Is it ideal to lose a character who is luck, healthy, and martial all in one? No. Was the trade off worth it? Time will tell. I think there is a damn good chance.
I think like half the people at this point wanted our character to die anyway so actually were probably rooting for this outcome. And I can hardly blame them, he was certainly a magnet for trouble.
I was more than willing to accept this outcome, but I wasn't rooting for it. Yoe the Beastslayer would have been a badass character to play. What nation wouldn't shit themselves if they heard that the mighty Methianese army was coming for them, lead by a fucking Megabeast killing sociopath?
Post by: Prophet on September 02, 2018, 10:06:33 pm
CCBB
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 03, 2018, 12:27:04 am
CCBA
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2018, 02:56:03 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 03, 2018, 07:57:46 am
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2018, 08:44:45 am
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You consider various combinations for a brief while because one has materialised clearly in your mind. You declare that Empire of Methiant-Cydwyl will have its capital in Methe, and that Yoean Eagle will be over the Cydwyllian and Methiantese royal animals.
Your son Yoe will have a place in family tombs, like others before him.
With that out of the way, you've got more of political work to do; the point of argument now is the priviledges of Cydwyllian noblemen.
They had lands, prestige and wealth to brag about, while those in Methiant had nothing but their family names and traditions. If Cydwyllian noblemen were to be integrated into Methiantese politics, they would have to give up their, sometimes, immense wealth, political power and private troops. On the other hand, you also notice some murmuring amongst Methiantese noblemen - it seems that some are eager to get more freedoms, priviledges and wealth after centuries of being simple aristocratic figureheads.
A) We will keep the Methiantese system, the Cydwyllian aristocracy will have to adapt.
B) Methiantese nobility will be given priviledges so they can be equal to their Cydwyllian counterparts.
C) I'm sure that we can keep both groups divided and with their respective laws and priviledges intact.
The other part is designation of your heir for the throne of Methiant-Cydwyl.
Whilst the Methiantese courtiers would like to see the adult and greatly skilled Deathan on the throne, the Cydwyllians instead want to see one of your descendants on the throne, and that means the young Cidric, Yoe IV's son (they would agree to Aina too, for she is Yoe's firstborn). Of course the palette of candidates is broad and you can still choose someone else...
A) It will be Cylia, your eldest daughter.
B) It will be Ciri, your youngest daughter.
C) It will be Aina, Yoe IV's daughter.
D) It will be Cidric, Yoe IV's son.
E) It will be Princess Eiri, daughter of Yoe III.
F) It will be Hein, King of Eldrican and son of Yoe III.
G) It will be Deathan, son of Yoe III.
H) It will be Feir, eldest son of Hein.
I) It will be Jacor, second son of Hein.
K) It will be Rubert, third son of Hein.
L) It will be Una, youngest daughter of Hein.
M) It will be Alfyn, youngest son of Hein.
N) It will be Sigurd, son of Jacor and Hein's grandson.
O) It will be Duach, Deathan's eldest son.
P) It will be Houlandin, Deathan's youngest son.
Q) It will be Wihemina of Cydwyl, Yoe IV's widow.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 03, 2018, 08:55:39 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 03, 2018, 08:55:53 am
It's sure to cause a lot of resentment, on both sides even, but I think backsliding our centralization and political control is going to cause a lot of issues that, even if it's dangerous, we should try to avoid now. (Although this might be the big negative of skipping forward on the inheritance thing... If Yoe had taken over I think people would be a lot more understanding of lessened nobles.)
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 03, 2018, 08:56:53 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 03, 2018, 09:01:18 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 03, 2018, 09:02:59 am
We're not that young, there's a fair chance of us dying in the near future. Hein has Eldrican. Eldrican has Koi. Make him our heir, and we finally truly unite Luathbas, as well as a helluva lot of other lands.
Also, If we make our vassals happy, both the unification of Methiant-Cydwyl and eventually Eldrican would go way smoother. We can also have some of our men overlooking Parsia, keeping the peace for us.
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2018, 09:06:44 am
CB+1
Post by: mightymushroom on September 03, 2018, 09:08:23 am
I think the least friction will be made by letting the Cydwyllian families keep their prerogatives for now, but keeping an option to confiscate them later if they misbehave. (We've already got a hyphenated name, it shouldn't be too much more work to hyphenate the legal codes. :P)
I don't want to expand too fast to integrate via inheritance, this is already a generational change; going with our male grandchild is another way to soothe the Cydwyl nobles while we start applying Methiant-style bureaucracy.
Post by: auzewasright on September 03, 2018, 09:12:55 am
Keep it in the dynasty, and we will unite lauthbas. Why you'll want the daughter of someone who isn't really in the dynasty is beyond me.
I prefer c for the first, but i fear if I don't vote for b another will win.
Edit, changed to CD
Post by: Kashyyk on September 03, 2018, 09:16:10 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 03, 2018, 09:22:55 am
Though I can admire the political maneuvering to try to bring Eldrican under our control, we are in danger of causing a bit too much unrest with such a decision. The Methe-Cydwyl consolidation is still tenuous at best.
Further, by empowering Methiant nobles, we can, for now at least, buy their support in the coming troubles.
Post by: auzewasright on September 03, 2018, 09:31:06 am
BDB makes the nobles happy, and F adds eldrican. The two mesh together perfectly ;D. Also, I don't remember if we are the descendants of Yoe III. If not, I kinda think we should be. If we don't take eldrican, there is no reason not to have c instead.
Though I can admire the political maneuvering to try to bring Eldrican under our control, we are in danger of causing a bit too much unrest with such a decision. The Methe-Cydwyl consolidation is still tenuous at best.
Further, by empowering Methiant nobles, we can, for now at least, buy their support in the coming troubles.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 03, 2018, 09:33:44 am
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2018, 09:34:32 am
What's the point of trying to constantly massively expand if it comes at the cost of giving up our control and power?
And you don't get free cores on inheritance here anyways, do you know how many rebels that equals!?
Hella! :P
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2018, 09:37:05 am
What's the point of trying to constantly massively expand if it comes at the cost of giving up our control and power?let's... Stop around here.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 03, 2018, 09:41:07 am
Post by: Prophet on September 03, 2018, 10:01:10 am
Why would we ever want to give the nobles more power? All it will do is cause more problems latter. B is a horrible idea. The only reason I'm even voting C instead of A is because it has more votes and I'd rather we not have to deal with more stubborn uppity nobles than we have to for generations. Hell fighting a rebellion from resentful Cydwyl nobles is better than giving the Methianese nobles the power to give us actually problems. That and the traditional Luathbasian form of nobility is obviously superior to any other form of nobility.
Post by: helmacon on September 03, 2018, 10:06:22 am
Post by: Baffler on September 03, 2018, 10:10:23 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 03, 2018, 10:19:41 am
Post by: auzewasright on September 03, 2018, 11:06:17 am
Post by: TankKit on September 03, 2018, 11:39:31 am
Also, I'm abstaining from this vote for now.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 03, 2018, 11:41:03 am
Cyl has charmed his nobles up until now, but recall their previous rulers who had so much trouble in both finances and authority. This is what worries me in the time beyond our charismatic monarch. Cydwyll's system is not a great model in my opinion.
I'd even be willing to change my vote if necessary for a coalition against BD (though by my count CD is currently the next strongest contender, so not yet.)
Also if we had a different compromise option where we extend some privileges but insist they give up private militias and integrate them into the Imperial Army, I could go for that maybe. Not ideal to me, but maybe.
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2018, 11:47:05 am
CD+1
Why would we ever want to give the nobles more power? All it will do is cause more problems latter. B is a horrible idea. The only reason I'm even voting C instead of A is because it has more votes and I'd rather we not have to deal with more stubborn uppity nobles than we have to for generations. Hell fighting a rebellion from resentful Cydwyl nobles is better than giving the Methianese nobles the power to give us actually problems. That and the traditional Luathbasian form of nobility is obviously superior to any other form of nobility.
Post by: omada on September 03, 2018, 12:17:41 pm
You know that haspen don't count this as a vote right?
+1
If we are going the BD way we got a problem
If we got the CD way we are in the way of some kind of monarchy federalism or whatever, two states with laws and a emperor with absolute laws over everybody
But still prefer AD but i have to change the vote to flee from BD
5 BD
4 CD (not counting Imic)
2 AD
Unless it accept split votes, this way I am not counting because I am going afk right now
Can please the people that are voting C to not not lose to BD enter in a consensus with the others that vote C so we can go A?
We have a MIGHTY army, we have a +2 natural charisma + artifact bonus, if they keep rebelling we can even pass those Tax edict as a clear revenge and power curbing
we can use our charisma to convince THE PANTHEONISTS TO HELP US in trade of passing some of those nice edicts or RALLY THE POPULATION I DUNNO
Post by: vastaghen12 on September 03, 2018, 12:19:16 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 03, 2018, 12:20:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 03, 2018, 12:25:31 pm
Also, why no option to name Yoe IV's widow heir? It would still likely keep the crown in the bloodline long term, but would allow us to skip another regency period should we die before our grandkid comes of age.
Post by: Haspen on September 03, 2018, 12:32:58 pm
Question: Is Ciri still set to marry the Prince from Helliste? If so, I think that makes her our best choice. We can keep it in the bloodline, while still increasing ties and influence with another nation.
Also, why no option to name Yoe IV's widow heir? It would still likely keep the crown in the bloodline long term, but would allow us to skip another regency period should we die before our grandkid comes of age.
Yes, thanks for reminding. Is gonna happen this year, too.
Well shoot, I knew I was forgetting someone. The family's too big! >:V
Also, you guys don't get attached to Cyl that much. He is 54 already.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 03, 2018, 12:53:22 pm
You may recall the Council of Statesmen edict, that constantly works to increase our authority. One man cannot hold all the power, as there is just too much to do. Decentralization is essential when messages only travel as fast as a horse. By giving nobles actual power we ensure they can act on our behalf.
I do recall the edict, and our artifact crown, and that we have had authority problems anyway (and so has Cydwyl with their "happy" nobles). We already have an imperial bureaucracy to administer our commands throughout the nation: so while I get that bribery = (temporary?) loyalty, I have trouble understanding what the gain would be that is worth the price of making every rebellion better armed and giving nobles more reasons to
Post by: Weirdsound on September 03, 2018, 01:21:22 pm
Question: Is Ciri still set to marry the Prince from Helliste? If so, I think that makes her our best choice. We can keep it in the bloodline, while still increasing ties and influence with another nation.
Also, why no option to name Yoe IV's widow heir? It would still likely keep the crown in the bloodline long term, but would allow us to skip another regency period should we die before our grandkid comes of age.
Yes, thanks for reminding. Is gonna happen this year, too.
Well shoot, I knew I was forgetting someone. The family's too big! >:V
Also, you guys don't get attached to Cyl that much. He is 54 already.
Alright, yeah. There is almost no way Cyl lives long enough for Cidric to take the crown. Regardless of what we think of the nobility issue, can we all change our heir votes to B? I am going to right now.
CB
Post by: mightymushroom on September 03, 2018, 01:30:54 pm
I could take A or Q or even G for heir, but I don't know why we should skip to the younger daughter. She's marrying into Helliste but she's unlikely to inherit it. The Cydwyl merger took two or three generations of prep work before they agreed (also why rushing after Eldrican is not the right move today in my opinion).
Post by: Kashyyk on September 03, 2018, 01:44:32 pm
I do recall the edict, and our artifact crown, and that we have had authority problems anyway (and so has Cydwyl with their "happy" nobles). We already have an imperial bureaucracy to administer our commands throughout the nation: so while I get that bribery = (temporary?) loyalty, I have trouble understanding what the gain would be that is worth the price of making every rebellion better armed and giving nobles more reasons toOur authority issue has been due to the repeated scandals we've gotten into, rather than some lords having power. Now that we have a sensible ruler we won't have the problem.protectexpand their personal power. I'd rather build our proto-nationalism by keeping level or reducing their fealty to individual estates.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 03, 2018, 01:51:50 pm
C A
C G
I could take A or Q or even G for heir, but I don't know why we should skip to the younger daughter. She's marrying into Helliste but she's unlikely to inherit it. The Cydwyl merger took two or three generations of prep work before they agreed (also why rushing after Eldrican is not the right move today in my opinion).
Yeah, now that I think about it G is for Genius: Wisdom, Martial, Lucky
She is to marry the heir. Her own son should inherit it, and she could if she outlives him before her kids come of age.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 03, 2018, 02:10:59 pm
You may recall the Council of Statesmen edict, that constantly works to increase our authority. One man cannot hold all the power, as there is just too much to do. Decentralization is essential when messages only travel as fast as a horse. By giving nobles actual power we ensure they can act on our behalf.
I think you have it backward. We need a strong bureaucracy to hold sway over large lands, giving more power to the nobility combined with large lands will mean they become too large for us to effectively command when the nobles have more power then we do. If the lands were small enough that we could personally oversee the nobility and personally administrate the most powerful noble estate, powerful nobility wouldn't be an issue.
Post by: Imic on September 03, 2018, 03:03:31 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 03, 2018, 03:28:49 pm
Post by: Qassius on September 03, 2018, 05:01:06 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 03, 2018, 06:13:02 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 04, 2018, 09:27:15 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 04, 2018, 01:36:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 09:47:28 am
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You argue with the councilmembers, and ultimately decide that the two aristocratic systems will be kept apart; and that your immediate heir to the throne of Methiant will be Cidric, your grandson.
With that all settled and the council agreeing to your decisions, you receive the Imperial Crown. You decide that the less you mess with heraldric bookkeeping, the better, therefore you use regnal name of Cyl.
Long live Emperor Cyl II of Methiant-Cydwyl, King of Felonsein, Ceodwell, Ionith and Parsia, Prince of Eval, Duke of Dahnia and Sovereign of Tiftit and Donuth!
1196 AD, Winter
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The fur trade on the south-north line brought only small profits to the Treasury.
1196 AD, Midwinter
An rebel force is under way in Parsian city of Amandarinka!
Apparently, a cleric of Eleven Graces, named Ajur, has inflamed the crowd during a time when Pantheonist priests had a theological discussion with the Graceists at a marketplace, arguing about validity of Eleven Graces and whether they are or are not Pantheon gods and goddesses simply with different names.
The situation in the marketplace quickly got out of hand, and out of the dozen Pantheonist priests only one escaped death. Several Methiantese soldiers on patrol were also killed. An uncertain, but relatively high, number of Methiantese settlers and Parsian citizens have also perished, in subsequent rioting, looting and arsoning.
The governor barricaded himself with the city guard in the city's keep, while those who got out immediately sent the news to the capital.
A) Our Army has a lot of practice training in recent years, doesn't it?
B) Let me send a letter to the peoples of Parsia, asking them to come to their senses.
C) This is simply like a fire, and like all fires, it will burn out on its own.
Post by: omada on September 05, 2018, 09:56:42 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 05, 2018, 10:00:04 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 10:12:25 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 05, 2018, 10:19:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 10:43:48 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 05, 2018, 11:11:23 am
Post by: TankKit on September 05, 2018, 11:22:26 am
Letters really do solve a lot of problems, don't they?
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 11:52:59 am
CHA go! I wonder if our negotiation artifact gives us even more bonuses here?
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 01:11:45 pm
CHA go! I wonder if our negotiation artifact gives us even more bonuses here?
No, because letters are indirect ;v
You send a letter to the upset people of Parsia, asking them to come to their senses and stop rioting.
1196 AD, Late Winter
Whilst you prepare to receive a report on situation in Parsia, you're informed that some soldiers from Orcworld Fortress has arrived, with the report on the fortress' cleaning and recovery of Sword of Puncturing, but there's also a dignitary from Helliste, asking for audience about wedding of Princess Ciri of Methiant and Prince Sigurd of
What do?
A) Talk dignitary good.
B) Soldier speech first.
C) Report important yes.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 01:22:20 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 01:33:06 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2018, 01:47:12 pm
Post by: omada on September 05, 2018, 01:49:00 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 01:49:30 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 05, 2018, 01:49:49 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 05, 2018, 01:53:57 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 01:56:05 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Cyl! I'm here to announce that Prince Sigurd, heir to the throne of Helliste, has decided that he is ready to take a wife into his house; therefore I'm here to take princess Ciri, per the old agreement, and bring him to her for customary Helliste wedding feast, for which any of her family is invited to."
You decide to...
A) Let the diplomat take Ciri and her servants and guards to Helliste, bidding her good life at Sigurd's side.
B) Request that the wedding take place in Methiant-Cydwyl, and with adherence to proper Pantheonist rituals.
C) Tell him that you've changed your mind and offer Prince Sigurd someone else as a bride.
D) Refuse to hand over Ciri, for you consider the agreement null and void!
E) Let Ciri go and attend the wedding ceremony in person!
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 01:58:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 02:00:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 02:03:34 pm
No option to attend the Helliste wedding in person? Or does that choice come later if we pick A?
Hurr durr derp twerp fixed '<.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 02:06:58 pm
E
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 02:24:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2018, 02:26:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 02:34:07 pm
Meanwhile, you still have stuff to do.
A) Fortress peeps nao.
B) Pls gib Parsia report.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 02:36:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2018, 02:36:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 02:39:09 pm
I doubt we'd need to interact with the Parsia peeps if our letter solved the problem. But hey, this time we have two armies to send in!
Post by: Prophet on September 05, 2018, 02:42:59 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 02:51:16 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 05, 2018, 02:53:41 pm
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Unfortunately, the letter had no effect on the Parsian populace it seems! The peasants remain upset, and rioting and looting flares up every few days as an incident or other misunderstanding goes awry.
A) Let the peasants riot and burn if they want, it's their hometown after all!
B) Alright, time to send the Army, bonk few heads in and restore order!
Post by: Baffler on September 05, 2018, 02:54:48 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 03:09:21 pm
FInally, soldiers from Orcworld Fortress arrive, with a report, and a bundle in their hands.
"Greetings, Emperor! Your soldiers have come here to personally inform you that the carcass of Kotekbacek has been segmented, removed from the Fortress and burnt far away for the smell its corpse was producing was most foul. Here we have Blade of Puncturing, which was pulled from the corpse."
They unwrap the bundle, showing you the Blade; its handle dark brown and disgusting, and its blade black and looking as if burnt. Courtiers murmur, for such an artifact should've been indestructible and stainless forever.
"The metal itself smells foul, and the blade is coated in dried blood of Kotekbacek or some other bodily fluid of the beast. We've tried hot water, icy water, soapy water and even royal water that the Fortress' alchemist had, but nothing has worked so far."
A) "The blade has been cursed by the dead monster! Cast it away!"
B) "The dwarves made it, the dwarves probably can restore it. Send for them at once!"
C) "Give it to our imperial alchemists, they have all ingredients in the world, they will find a way to clean it."
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 03:10:30 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 05, 2018, 03:10:59 pm
Why else do we pay them!
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 03:18:23 pm
We are funding a house of learning and a fire blood court. It would be nice to see them pull their weight.
Post by: Rockeater on September 05, 2018, 03:23:54 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 03:37:27 pm
Next morning you embark to Helliste.
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1196 AD, One Day Later
Whilst underway, you feel a little weird in the morning.
By the afternoon, your entourage has to stop at a local inn and your healers prepare medicines. You've developed a fever, curse that wintery weather!
1196 AD, Next Evening
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While the healers are fighting the fever the best they can, and you feel relatively OK, they forbid you from continuing the journey.
A while later, your daughter Ciri comes in, wrapped in a fur cloak.
"Father, you are ill, and my husband awaits me. I would not want to force anything, but I have obligations to fulfill and would like to go to Helliste."
A) "Fine then, go and please give Prince Sigurd my regards."
B) "My illness is a sign! This marriage is cursed, we're going home!"
C) "I'm sure they will understand if we delay our trip for few days more."
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 05, 2018, 03:39:30 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 03:40:44 pm
They will understand. We have +2 towards making them understand.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 03:40:54 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 05, 2018, 03:41:08 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 05, 2018, 03:42:39 pm
+2 to charisma.
Post by: Twinwolf on September 05, 2018, 03:52:43 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 03:58:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 04:05:12 pm
A. We really shouldn't risk his life this quickly and they'll understand someone as old as Cyl not being able to make the trip safely.
We know the old man isn't going to live long anyway. We need to abuse his CHA as much as possible in the meantime. It would be a huge waste to pass up the opportunity to fraternize with the Heliste Monarchy at a wedding. We could get a profitable trade deal, military alliance, and/or spouses for our remaining child and grandkids if we go.
Post by: Prophet on September 05, 2018, 04:05:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 05, 2018, 04:17:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2018, 04:18:22 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 05, 2018, 04:33:39 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 05, 2018, 04:35:17 pm
Old man winter go home.
Post by: Haspen on September 05, 2018, 05:34:57 pm
1196 AD, Next Evening
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As the fever takes toll on your body, by the evening you feel a surge of strength.
Maybe the illness is going away?
1196 AD, Next Evening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKsixYOdOQ)
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When you wake up, you notice that the room is dark. You do not see any sunlight around the curtains, and the lit candles beside your bed make you realize that it is possibly past midnight. Someone seated near you stirs, probably noticing that you have awoken.
You grab their arm and an old man, looking like the Advisor himself, leans to your face.
"How's the Empire?" You ask, and the man smiles.
"It is doing fairy well, Emperor."
"Good, very good... and Prince Cidric, is he well?"
"Prince Cidric is doing well and is of good health, Emperor."
"I see, that's good... and the council? Are the aristocrats not arguing for once?"
"Emperor, the noblemen are working hard to keep the Empire safe and well."
"That's reassuring, yes..."
"Emperor, you must rest."
"Of course, of course."
So you fall back into the comfyness of sleep - sleep that you do not wake up from again.
1211 AD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqdqPR4x8uU)
You are Cidric, son of Yoe IV, the late Emperor of Methiant!
Since the unfortunate passing of your grandfather, Cyl II, during a trip to attend wedding of your aunt Ciri to Prince (currently King) Sigurd of Helliste, the Empire has been run by regency council comprised of Methiantese and Cydwyllian noblemen.
The other branch of the family, in Eldrican, is doing fairly well. A terrible fire of Eldrican palace at the turn of the century has killed Queen Irvalina and two youngest of Hein's children, also rendering Hein's face horribly disfigured. By 1205, he has decided to abdicate in favor of Prince Feir, whose charisma and speech skills helped him unite Eldrican peoples under his rule, and he enjoys popularity just as much as Eldrican Kingdom enjoys economical prosperity, having found new sources of Fireblood ingredients in the nomad plains in the northwest; the mines are so productive that there's enough to supply Eldrican forces as well as sell excess minerals to Rucusians.
Speaking of Kingdom of Rucus, it has established a military alliance with Eldricans, and is bound to absorb Lametania into its territory. King Arrus I of Rucus is brother of childless - and most possibly, impotent - King Ivos I of Lametania. The latter has decided, just half a year ago, to issue a proclamation that upon his death, his brother Arrus will inherit the Lametanian throne. This is just a safeguard, for both monarchs are only in their mid-twenties, and thus, plenty of time for things (and potential kids) to happen.
Helliste and Albionese has turned away from the inner parts of the continent, going as far as stopping the selling of furs to Methiant, and are now unprecedented wealth and prosperity thanks to selling of silver and steel to Chia, which is in return supplying them with clayware and fabrics. Under rulership of King Sigurd, a wise man and learned astrologer, the Helliste managed to convince even the Rosamanas, led by Queen Rostana I, to allow westerners into their borders for trade and settlement, although traffic, as it is, is rather meager. Albionese gave up their raiding traditions and has begun commerce with the islands of Dvar peoples in the north, as well as exploring and colonizing the northwestern Straight Coast and the Frozen Sea, and the ice-lands north of them, apparently maintaining contact with part-elven 'Kingdom of Sylevessef', and few of their captains claiming they've managed to reach Prawlantese shores by sea all the way from harbors of Helliste.
As for Empire of Cydwyl-Methiant, well... where do we begin with all the bad news?
Firstly, the ancient and reliable silver mines of Methiant finally ran out of the precious ore early in 1201, it's last load of ore given to Dwarves in exchange for cleaning of Blade of Puncturing, which refused any treatment by Methiantese alchemists. Then, an ancient beast, sleeping under the rock of gemstone mines of Methiant, called Tyllytech the Rancid Deathsap, a mouthless screaming pigeon of enormous size (beware its venomous spit!), woke up and destroyed the mines in 1204, rampaging in the local area for half a year (Wizards didn't show up again) until a group of adventurers hired by the regency council killed the oversized chicken, as the Army was busy in Parsia.
The instability in Parsia has endured on for almost a decade; riots against Methiantese authority or against encroachment of Pantheonist religion has led to numerous riots, culminating in Parsian Revolt of years 1204-1206 AD. The Army had to intervene against the local population, and whilst effective, it had rather disasterous effect on local population and settlements; many minor villages were wiped from the map and several important cities, including the old capital of Karasau, lost all of their prestige, wealth and power.
In the power vacuum of that risen from Eleven Graces waning influence and resistance to Pantheonist teachings, Alldivinism, of all things, has taken firm roots, its philosophical principles and regional origin helping it spread amongst Parsians. All but easternmost provinces have Alldivine majority in them, with Graces and Pantheon being minority faiths, the native religion of Parsians maintaining its strength and numbers in the aforementioned lands in the east. However, elsewhere in the Empire, the Pantheonism stands strong; the passing of Advancement of Religion Act in 1199 AD by the Regency Council assured that this faith will keep up with changing times and will be better suited to adress arising instability, heresies and new doctrines.
While trade with Sim Empire continues, the treaty for spices was cancelled, as the aromatic roots and powders became in short supply, and once again Mahjar Sim decided to prioritize someone else over Methiant. T'chai leaves still arrive in great quantities however, and the Treasury still obtains hefty profits from proxy-sale of this luxury resource. The elderly emperor is currently busy personally quelling some instability in the far east of his Empire, and if anything bad happens, his adult son, Mahjar Tum Brah, is ready to replace him.
The worst blow to Imperial integrity was the political turmoil that arrived shortly after Cyl II's death. Without his charismatic persona and mediatization, conflicts arose between powerless Methiantese noblemen, the plutocratic councilmembers, and the priviledged Cydwyllian aristocracy. Corruption scandals of recent years eroded Imperial authority and set the two nobility groups apart, culminating in Aristocratic Schism; the Cydwyllians, in return for not tearing the country apart in two, were given autonomous duchies in the north, lodged between important locations, colonies and lands still under direct rule of the Crown. While you're still their ruler and wield the respective ducal titles, the noblemen families running them enjoy autonomy and traditional priviledges of Cydwyllian aristocracy. These duchies are: Ionith and Donuth shortways north(east/west) from capital of Methe, then distant Duchy of Dahnia in the north, bordering Helliste, as well as newly-created Clochtoir Duchy in far east, encompassing flatlands and rocky plateaus north and northeast from land of Tiftit Hurthlings, a vast but still sparsely populated area.
Speaking of Hurthlings, a strange variation of the usual plague sprung up in 1207 and ravaged their valley for three years. Whilst humans were also susceptible and also fell victim to the sickness, the little ones made as much as 90% of casualties. According to various estimates, somewhere between ten to twenty thousand Hurthlings remain in Methiant. Living in small agricultural communities, they tend to themselves and their families, no longer really adding to the wineyards and other farmlands there. Worthy mentioning is the Springwine; its delicate fruity flavor has found many connoiseurs in Damdamian Republic, and Methiantese Treasury earns nice profits from sending hundreds of barrels yearly to the Damdamian republicans.
Fortunately, the last two years were rather kind for the Empire; the Treasury is growing steadily, conflicts and catastrophes avoided the lands, and its people feel happy and respect the government. Furthermore, the Cartographers of Methiant ventured southeast and northeast, bringing some knowledge about the lands of both Simians and Rosamanas, in 1197 and 1207 AD, respectively.
So, troubled Prince, this is the situation of the Empire! And what do we have to say about you?
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Whilst no genius like your father, you do have an inherent aptitude for combat, and your martial prowess impressed even the most demanding of your tutors. The court believes that if any threat arises, the Army under your leadership will have no problems eradicating it.
You ponder about a regnal name for a moment.
You're not a great administrator or talker like the Cyls, and hedonistic scandals of your father, Yoe IV, still linger in the memories of your people. Looking up your family tree to find a good name, you notice another martial man, who, despite his short reign, was respected and liked by both the court and the people.
Therefore you settle on the name of Houlandin!
Long live Emperor Houlandin III of Methiant-Cydwyl, King of Felonsein, Ceodwell and Parsia, Prince of Eval, Duke of Dahnia, Donuth, Ionith and Clochtoir, Sovereign of Tiftit!
Here comes the Advisor. The old man is carrying in his ancient hands the Scrolls of Kingdom Status, just as equally ancient.
Happiness: 7
Population: 7
Economy: 7
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: +1
Those are some nice numbers, although you don't understand much from what the Advisor is babbling about them. Moving on!
1211 AD, Spring
Aren't you some most-sought-after boy cake, huh?
Few days into ascension and already a marriage proposal arrives by letter! One of Cydwyllian noble families from Clochtoir, led by Ówyn Astleinn, is offering the hand of his only daughter, Mirinda, for marriage. He claims that she is of exact same age as you, and possesses beautiful body and equally pretty singing voice.
A) I will pass, thanks.
B) H'okay, send her over!
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 05, 2018, 05:44:55 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 05, 2018, 05:45:12 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 05, 2018, 06:14:57 pm
Post by: auzewasright on September 05, 2018, 06:19:05 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 05, 2018, 06:26:45 pm
Helliste and Albionese has turned away from the inner parts of the continent, going as far as stopping the selling of furs to Methiant
Stupid cold. If only our charismatic guy had made it to one more party.
On the other hand, it's interesting to see Alldivinism make a comeback. I don't know if it's good news for us with our opposing state religion, but interesting at least.
We need to hold a purge among the Cartographers, they've known this day would be coming for fifteen years and didn't have a map ready. :P
A??
I'd rather have a chance at a foreign match, but I hesitate because I don't know who, if anyone, may be available.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 05, 2018, 06:34:25 pm
As much as I'd like to hold out for a foreign political match, we should get the baby mill going. Martial leaders don't last long.
Post by: helmacon on September 05, 2018, 07:21:28 pm
It will be good to start off with some measure of unity with the north.
Given the current political state, and our trait, I think the northern coastline is a good target for invasion.
Also
Haspen, Did we manage to fix the sword?
Post by: omada on September 05, 2018, 09:16:28 pm
B
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2018, 12:50:41 am
Haspen, Did we manage to fix the sword?
The dwarves finally did it, added that to the ascension summary ;v
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2018, 01:10:13 am
1211 AD, Mid-Spring
The Pantheonist pilgrims have located a very important shrine; long-thought lost and forgotten, the shrine of the Forest was rediscovered deep in the Luathbasian Forest, in an area that, once a beautiful glade, is now a swamp overgrown with willows. The temple, once dedicated to gods of forests, nature and such, is in ruined and decrepit state, its usual residences long gone and only moss and foliage making its home amongst the tall stones and foundations.
Pantheonists would like to see it renovated, and are asking for a small donation to the altars so they can proceed with the task.
A) We're rich, and I'm generous ruler. They will have the money.
B) Pantheonist ruins, Pantheonist problems.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 06, 2018, 01:11:41 am
We can afford it.
Post by: helmacon on September 06, 2018, 01:13:19 am
Post by: Taricus on September 06, 2018, 01:13:31 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 06, 2018, 01:14:33 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 06, 2018, 01:30:04 am
A
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2018, 01:36:26 am
1211 AD, Late Spring
"A colossus!?" You ask in bewilderment as the courtiers gasp and murmur. The young peasant who brought the message from the new settlements at the foot of Northern Mountains is kneeling before you.
"All people in our village swear on their lives, m'lord! It's a tall, huge man, made out of bronze or some other metal. It shoots balls of fire! It stomps things! It came from direction of the Northern Mountains one day, and has been wrecking havoc since then. Our militia fled after shooting at it with them tubes and other things failed to do more than a scratch!"
A) "Wizard! A Wizard is needed to deal with this creature, we must find one at once!"
B) "Now, you shall witness the power of the fully armed and operational Imperial Army!"
C) "Do not be afraid! The bronze colossus will finish its stomping, and go away. Easy!"
D) "I'm plenty there's enough level 30+ adventurers to deal with it, let's hire some."
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 06, 2018, 01:37:51 am
B
Post by: Taricus on September 06, 2018, 01:38:31 am
Post by: helmacon on September 06, 2018, 01:39:01 am
let's just try this first. I'm curious about the wizards now. Are they just gone, or do we have to roll to find one at all?
Post by: Weirdsound on September 06, 2018, 01:43:15 am
Send in the army first, the age of wizards and heroes is over.
B
The age of heroes and wizards can end when the age of rampaging monsters does. I'm not sending our army to fight a fire throwing metal wall. A.
Post by: ZBridges on September 06, 2018, 01:51:39 am
Why is the necklace of persuasion (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7842894#msg7842894) missing from the first post's list of artifacts?
Post by: crazyabe on September 06, 2018, 01:58:21 am
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Post by: mightymushroom on September 06, 2018, 07:11:39 am
I like how you are not even giving us the option to throw our emperor at this one. Probably smart. I'd be arguing that the magic sword with a proven history of harming mega-beasts is our best chance right about now, and our sister would shortly be Empress.Yep, me too.
A, then.
Because if we never seek we will never find. The relative ineffectiveness of small/glancing blows is already reported, the army is our fallback if no wizard shows.
Post by: Twinwolf on September 06, 2018, 07:17:02 am
B.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 06, 2018, 07:35:55 am
B
Post by: TankKit on September 06, 2018, 07:43:40 am
I think that Methiant going to sorcerers for so many artifacts earlier and the age of magic passing by has made them decide that they have more important matters to tend do. It especially makes sense since if their magic is growing weaker they'll need to conserve their efforts for places that they believe appreciate them more. Also, I'm really looking forward to finally seeing the map again.
Post by: birdy51 on September 06, 2018, 07:48:31 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 06, 2018, 07:51:59 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 06, 2018, 09:21:27 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 06, 2018, 09:42:06 am
no excuse for the wizards to be petulant dicks
if we find one we should tell him off
Post by: Prophet on September 06, 2018, 09:44:51 am
Post by: Twinwolf on September 06, 2018, 10:16:54 am
AThat's no reason to vote to do nothing, which is what I believe an A vote in this circumstance is.
no excuse for the wizards to be petulant dicks
if we find one we should tell him off
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 06, 2018, 10:46:45 am
That's no reason to vote to do nothing, which is what I believe an A vote in this circumstance is.Having someone else to blame for the consequences is always a good reason to do nothing. "See what you did, wizards? Now people are dying because you can't tell the difference between me and my grandma."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 06, 2018, 10:54:51 am
Wizards won't give a fuck about what we or anyone else thinks about them, and we've always been blamed for wizards not helping in the past. So, no, no one is going to care about the "Blame" except us.
Post by: Haspen on September 06, 2018, 12:08:50 pm
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You decide to send out the mighty Army of the Empire to smash apart the metal giant.
Few days later, the council gathers and you need to issue a proclamation - that of your heir and successor to the throne of Methiant-Cydwyl if you were to keel over and die, just in case.
Whilst there's no majority for one candidate or the other, you do notice that most of voices seem to be calling for appointment of your older sister, Aina, as your heir.
Ultimately, the position of Imperial heir goes to...
A) Your older sister, Aina.
B) Your aunt, Cylia, daughter of Cyl II.
C) Your aunt, Ciri, daughter of Cyl II.
D) Your mother, Wihemina.
E) Your cousin, Brynwald, son of aunt Ciri and King Sigurd of Helliste.
F) Your cousin, Astrid, daughter of aunt Ciri and King Sigurd of Helliste.
G) Your cousin, Brynwalda, daughter of aunt Ciri and King Sigurd of Helliste.
H) Your cousin, Alfdis, daughter of aunt Ciri and King Sigurd of Helliste.
I) Eiri, daughter of Yoe III, Emperor of Methiant.
J) Hein, son of Yoe III, Emperor of Methiant.
K) Deathan, son of Yoe III, Emperor of Methiant.
L) Feir, King of Eldrican, and son of Hein and Helga of Helliste.
M) Jacor, son of Hein and Helga of Helliste.
N) Rubert, son of Hein and Helga of Helliste.
O) Teodor, son of Feir, King of Eldrican, and Sigurda of Helliste.
P) Ruberta, daughter of Feir, King of Eldrican, and Sigurda of Helliste.
Q) Rolland, son of Feir, King of Eldrican, and Sigurda of Helliste.
R) Sigurd, son of Jacor, and Helga of Helliste.
S) Stjelf, son of Jacor, and Helga of Helliste.
T) Irval, son of Jacor, and Helga of Helliste.
U) Gwynna, daughter of Jacor, and Helga of Helliste.
Spoiler: This tree is getting humongous, pls stop with them babbies (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 06, 2018, 12:15:42 pm
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Post by: Criptfeind on September 06, 2018, 12:20:26 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 06, 2018, 12:29:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 06, 2018, 12:47:54 pm
Let us be honest. We are about to get married, and our army is a few years away from being ready to march to war (especially if the Colossus inflicts major causalities). Whoever we pick here is unlikely to take the throne before we have a legitimate child.
We should use the opportunity to try and rekindle our friendship with Helliste by naming their queen heir in a largely symbolic fashion. Also, damn. Ciri had a lot of kids.
Post by: Prophet on September 06, 2018, 12:50:25 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 06, 2018, 12:54:27 pm
Let us be honest. We are about to get married, and our army is a few years away from being ready to march to war (especially if the Colossus inflicts major causalities). Whoever we pick here is unlikely to take the throne before we have a legitimate child.i think we should focus on fully digesting cydwyl before we try to annex another country
We should use the opportunity to try and rekindle our friendship with Helliste by naming their queen heir in a largely symbolic fashion. Also, damn. Ciri had a lot of kids.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 06, 2018, 12:59:06 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 06, 2018, 01:18:24 pm
If Aunt Ciri hasn't swayed her husband already, I doubt naming her heir to the empire is likely to change much.
We might have better luck naming a not-in-line prince, give them something to look forward to and avoid trashing up the place? If so perhaps from the Eldrican branch of the family instead (Jacor or Sigurd), to shore up support and blunt their alliance with Rucus from turning our direction.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 06, 2018, 04:35:25 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 06, 2018, 07:37:41 pm
Post by: omada on September 06, 2018, 08:50:15 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 06, 2018, 09:09:57 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on September 06, 2018, 09:13:11 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 06, 2018, 09:35:34 pm
A short regency to someone up the family tree.
Post by: ZBridges on September 06, 2018, 09:43:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 06, 2018, 10:25:22 pm
Ciri (C) at 31 is better for now, but I'd still prefer someone from our own generation if you really think it somehow impacts foreign relations. Weirdsound's projection calls this choice "symbolic" but just in case events don't happen according to plan our list has four Helliste cousins to choose from and 7 in Eldrican that seem to me just as valid.
Post by: Baffler on September 06, 2018, 11:40:48 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 08, 2018, 03:05:44 am
1211 AD, Summer
Your wedding to the beautiful, golden-haired Mirinda, is a time for festivities. She has a pleasant voice, and great assets, and doesn't seem to be anything else but what her father advertised.
Next morning however, she is a little pouty and complains that as an Emperor you should last much longer in the bed. As you talk about it, it turns out she heard tales about your family's bedchamber skills (especially your father's) and hoped that you would be equally wild and enthusiastic. But do not fret! She also heard that palatial library has lots of books she can acquaint you with.
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Few days later, you receive news from the Army - it smashed the bronze colossus apart with Fireblood barrages! Unfortunately hundreds if not thousands have died because the metalman's fireballs had unfortunate distinction of landing exactly at Fireblood stockpiles or nearby, setting off fires and explosions that consumed more soldiers than the colossus' direct fire or stomping itself.
Still, once the colossus broke apart, its remains became huge, cold chunks of bronze. Sold for scrap or melted, the alloy will bring some profits to the Treasury.
1211 AD, Midsummer
Terrible storms and hail seem intent on destroying crops in and south of the capital city, but the damage proves light; the glow of the Scepter of Weather confirming that it is still working fine.
1211 AD, Autumn
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Glassware sold to Ysirene brought small profits; the t'chai leaves, sold in big quantities, brought more money and helped ease minds of peoples.
Interesting news come from Parsian provinces; it seems that tribals and goattenders from the mountains are leaving their ancestral homes in whole families, drawn to the wealth of the Methiant, eager to settle in nearby cities instead of leaving in their tiny, remote hamlets. This trend isn't restricted to them; Waterless nomads, homeless and vagabonds from neighbouring countries are moving through the borders too, enticed by wealth and stability of Methiant, too!
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As you're attending a meeting with your courtiers, suddenly a man crashed through the window, apparently having swung in on a rope! He doesn't get far because Shadowranks shoot his right knee through with a crossbow bolt. Your men probably have noticed him few seconds prior to his 'entrance'.
They quickly seize the wounded youth, who can't be older than you by a year.
"Who dares interrupt our meeting in such a way?"
"I am Ranulf! I am son of Emperor Yoe IV! My mother was cast away by your father after my conception and birth, and instead you unlawfully occupy the throne of Methiant! I demand vengeance! I demand duel to death!" You look at the pitiful state of his legs; neither he is running anywhere soon, nor would he be a difficult combatant.
You decide to...
A) Grant him his death wish and unsheathe the Blade of Puncturing!
B) Politely remind the Shadowranks where the royal dungeon is located.
Post by: ZBridges on September 08, 2018, 03:15:43 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 08, 2018, 03:16:13 am
Martial, wounded foe, artifact weapon? I don't think it is possible to lose this fight. Unless he is martial too...
Let's take the easy authority boost.
Post by: Basil ii on September 08, 2018, 03:38:09 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 08, 2018, 05:27:45 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 08, 2018, 05:32:05 am
Post by: Lucus Casius on September 08, 2018, 05:34:58 am
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Post by: Taricus on September 08, 2018, 05:53:52 am
Post by: TankKit on September 08, 2018, 05:56:08 am
If he somehow does manage to beat a martial emperor who has an artifact sword after a bolt has hit him in the leg, he deserves the throne. The thing is, I don't quite think that's how it's going to go, and this is an easy boost to our authority.
Post by: Haspen on September 08, 2018, 06:12:59 am
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The duel doesn't last long. He manages to prick your left hand; you in turn pierce his body through with the sword. Your half-brother collapses to the ground and bleeds out fast.
The body is disposed, the council reconvened at other room as the servants clean the floor from the stains.
1211 AD, Mid-Autumn
You receive foreboding news from the far north-west. It seems that elves, provoked by the dwarves of Mistemom, has launched a campaign against the settlements in the Northern Mountains. Whilst so far only dwarves have been assaulted, Methiantese travelers and settlers are more than sure that elven scouts are watching them travel, and some reports say of strange cloaked figures wandering about night-time shadows, some even inflitrating villages!
A) The elves are surely not going to attack us, leave them be.
B) This provocation means war! Onward, to Tisilenteliya!
C) Send a (heavily guarded) diplomat to the Elves.
D) Ask the dwarves for a council about this situation.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 08, 2018, 06:20:10 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 08, 2018, 06:30:05 am
Post by: auzewasright on September 08, 2018, 07:33:29 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 08, 2018, 07:37:57 am
I'm willing to trust them... For now.
Post by: Basil ii on September 08, 2018, 07:43:59 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 08, 2018, 08:10:27 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 08, 2018, 08:33:57 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 08, 2018, 08:53:51 am
We're on fairly neutral terms with both the dwarves and elves.
I'd say we're on fairly good terms with the dwarves, or at least they are on good terms with us: the dwarves have at times actively sought us for diplomacy and deals while we have sought them for artifacts. Whereas our last interaction with the Elves was when we looted their ancient tomb and earned our emperor a horrific death. (Probably – I don't think it was written into canon that it was Elves, though it bore all their hallmarks. The last time we are certain of Elvish work is their reprisal after yielding Zasitost back to the dwarves.)
C
Regardless we haven't gotten opportunities to talk with the Elves often and we should take them when they pop up, now that more and more lands are being settled northward.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 08, 2018, 09:24:56 am
Post by: TankKit on September 08, 2018, 10:13:48 am
Let's try diplomacy first. Also, I'm rather excited about finally being able to see the map again soon, feels like it's been a while.
Post by: omada on September 08, 2018, 11:55:17 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 08, 2018, 01:34:01 pm
The dwarves are fickle. I'd rather them not blow up our artifacts because they heard we were negotiating with their enemy. If the army score was better, I'd be all over B or D.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 08, 2018, 01:53:10 pm
In the south, dwarves and elves work together! We will make them act like that up here too, BY FORCE IF NECESSARY.
Post by: Haspen on September 08, 2018, 02:36:18 pm
1211 AD, Winter
Gold from the north and gemstones from Parsia arrive in the Treasury.
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Springwine sold in the deep south for hefty amounts of cash.
So far, the delegation sent to the elves have not returned; however, Diplomatic corps bring you a report; the leaders of the citadels of Ankurvat and Zonalath are requesting to meet with you and discuss terms of possible alliance or military support against resurgent Elven menace.
A) What elven menace? I don't see any elves menacing my populace. Silly dorfs!
B) Sure thing, maybe this will lead to closer ties with Dwarven High King, too!
Post by: TankKit on September 08, 2018, 02:46:28 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 08, 2018, 02:48:30 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 08, 2018, 02:54:52 pm
having delegations sent to both parties looks fair and balanced. It makes us look impartial, but also puts pressures on both parties.
Post by: crazyabe on September 08, 2018, 02:55:09 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 08, 2018, 02:56:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 08, 2018, 03:09:02 pm
From the reports I've heard, it's the dwarves who started the current round of hostilities.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 08, 2018, 03:10:45 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 08, 2018, 03:11:54 pm
I like the elves more because we can breed with them, but, you know, the dwarves are way more reasonable.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 08, 2018, 03:47:47 pm
They have a long trip, I'm not alarmed that we haven't heard back from the other diplomats yet.
Post by: ZBridges on September 08, 2018, 04:27:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 08, 2018, 07:14:41 pm
Ideally we should talk the dwarves into postponing hostilities for a few years. Then we can strike the elves when our army is at max.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 09, 2018, 03:15:42 am
Post by: TankKit on September 09, 2018, 03:54:36 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 07:19:17 am
Personally I would suggest we don't attack the elves until we are far more powerful or they have lost enough power during the decline of magic to be relatively easy to take down.if we were to ally with the dwarves we could have enough magical mojo to rival that of the elves and then it just becomes a question of manpower and logistics. And due to the decline of the magical races I really don’t think that the elves have the manpower to fight in a prolonged war.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2018, 09:18:25 am
Haspen has several times credited the elves with being more magical than the dwarves, not equal. And I don't know how to measure the "decline" of magic (a phenomenon attributed to human influence on the land); inasmuch as runemasters still make artifacts and they still give bonuses I don't think it has hurt the dwarves in any obvious way, so I am not counting on it as a factor against the elves. As for 'man'power, the Tisilenteliya Elves live in a vast forest that stretches beyond our map (the most recent I've seen) similar to some of the great empires of men to our south: adding such terrain to their stealth and nature magics I doubt they need to meet us on anything like a 1:1 basis to prevail on their home ground. (I also suspect they are less interested in pitched battles as in guerilla strikes and assassination of opposing leaders and their families.)
It seems we will vote to listen to the dwarves. Fine, let us see what they want, and what they offer. But the elves have their own system of honor, and so far as we know any offenses against them have already been answered and repaid. We can claim neutrality here, or limit ourselves to being mutual business partners for the right deal. We do not need to commit support in arms to a crusade that has been inconclusive for the length of known history.
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 10:40:28 am
*more specifically our scepter of weather
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2018, 11:15:23 am
(The greater leverage, rather, is with the items the monarch tends to personally wear on a regular basis, but even he can be replaced. The threat of humans is the fact that there is always more of us.)
My larger point, though, is that I do not credit the
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2018, 11:32:46 am
1211 AD, Midwinter
The delegates of dwarven leaders from Zonalath and Ankurvat have arrived.
The gaudily clad dwarves with shiny bald heads enter the audience room and curtly bow before you before approaching the throne.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin. We're here on the orders of the High King Varsaalath Katinarag, to establish a military alliance between Methiant and the dwarven halls. Our brothers at Mistemom are fighting uneven war against the elven menace, enslavers of the good peoples and hypocrites of the soil! If you agree to provide our armies with the mighty forces of your Empire, the commissioners of Ankurvat and Zasitost will send quarter of trade taxes to Methiantese treasury for the duration of the hostilities."
"How long shall this war last? What are your goals?" The Advisor asks and then dwarves clap their hands.
"Till the elves surrender, and till we see more of the accursed Forest burn, leaving soil fertilized with ashes and blood, and expose wealthy underrock to us. And you, if your subjects dare approach the elven lands to settle!"
A) "Now that I've heard you, its obvious there's nothing for me to gain here. I decline."
B) "Maybe if you add something extra to your offer, I will agree..."
C) "Splendid, splendid! Army of Methiant will lend a hand in your conquests!"
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2018, 11:41:57 am
Our brothers at Mistemom are fighting uneven war against the elven menace, enslavers of the good peoples and hypocrites of the soil!
That the elves may be hypocrites I am willing to believe. But the Methiantese have our own experience being taken and enslaved by dwarves, so that undercuts any moral ground you want to claim.
A
For all the reasons I've said, most importantly that Tisilenteliya is not direct on our border, we'd be going through Eldrican or Mistemon to 'settle' (last I saw, where's my map) so the rationale doesn't make sense to me. I thought maybe the dwarves would be offering some sort of trade deal for resources we happen to have or something like that, but I can't support this.
Post by: TankKit on September 09, 2018, 12:00:07 pm
I don't agree with mightymushroom that elves are better allies, but I do agree that it is extremely idiotic to attack them. Have any of you heard about how the Wood elves in Total War: Warhammer fight? I imagine it's something like that, only on a much, much bigger scale. If you don't know what I mean, just google it.
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 12:05:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 12:09:47 pm
Methiant has no strong allies at this point, and the money is tempting. Let us take the deal. We are in the age of fireblood. If the elves do not have fireblood, they will be at a huge disadvantage against us.
For all the reasons I've said, most importantly that Tisilenteliya is not direct on our border, we'd be going through Eldrican or Mistemon to 'settle' (last I saw, where's my map) so the rationale doesn't make sense to me. I thought maybe the dwarves would be offering some sort of trade deal for resources we happen to have or something like that, but I can't support this.
There is empty wasteland that nobody owns between Cydwyl and Tisilenteliya. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to build a road through that if we took elf lands.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 09, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 12:10:40 pm
Sorry, we're too Switzerland.
Also, mightymushroom, I think the implication is that the dwarves consider themselves "the good peoples" and not us. :P
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2018, 12:29:09 pm
This sounds like a poor deal. They wouldn't be seeking help if they were not already losing. All we really get is a bit of coin and the vague possibility of some more land of unknown value.
Besides, elves tend to assassinate, and we don't exactly have a surplus of direct heirs at the moment.
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2018, 12:30:15 pm
Whatever they spoke about, you will not hear - the dwarves nod their heads in acknowledgement and wordlessly leave.
1211 AD, End of the Year
You eagerly await this moment. For the first time in your life, you will be allowed to see Scrolls of Kingdom Status and make decisions based on the numbers inscribed in those ancient scrolls.
Here comes the Advisor; and in his hands, there are the Scrolls! You can see the numbers clearly on the bottom. Let's see...
Quote
6, 1to5(1to5)
Happiness: 9
Population: 8
Economy: 7
Army: 10!
Imp.Authority: +2
"My liege! People of Methiant praise your name, and some wealthy individuals as well as merchants, craftsmen and administrators are offering part of the surplus money for the Imperial Treasury!"
A) "Woo, I love gifts! I accept their money!"
B) -
C) "The gold is theirs, they can keep it."
"Our Army has seen a large surplus of new recruits this year. The ranks have swelled with eager and well-equipped soldiers. Some of the higher-ranking officers believe that we should wage war against one of our puny neighbours, to gain territory, loot and fame!"
A) "But I like my neighbours..."
B) "We shall strike against Mahjar Sim. Parsia belongs to Methiant, its time he learns of that!"
C) "Time to show the dwarves the true meaning of 'military power' of Methiant!"
D) "Duchy of Koi was always part of the region, we will wrestle it from Eldrican claws!"
E) "We need access to the sea, and to achieve that, we shall plow right through Helliste!"
F) "The time has come - we launch a crusade vile Damedians of Damdamian lands!"
G) "It's time to grab Lametania for ourselves and put some distance between the southerners and our capital!"
"Meanwhile, the office of Emperor enjoys great popularity. This begs for an Edict to be issued - will you do just that, my liege?"
A) "About time!"
B) "Nah, not today."
"Also, the Cartographers have finished updating the old maps of the Empire, sire. Here, have a look."
Spoiler: Imperial Map of Methiant, 1211 AD (click to show/hide)
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 12:31:17 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2018, 12:45:42 pm
We need to get access to the sea. Hellisite would take forever to persuade diplomatically, especially since they have actively been reducing ties with us of late. I'm not willing to wait that long. Let's dig up some cause belli and take either a chunk of them, or the whole thing. It might be better to just take the whole thing.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 09, 2018, 12:47:37 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 12:48:30 pm
We need to get access to the seawhy exactly?
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2018, 12:53:45 pm
Because therein lies our future. Massive economic potential with Gan Minsong, the ability to explore freely, the ability to circumnavigate other countries if we need to. There are all sorts of resources that can only come from the sea as well. Whales, pearls, coral, ect... . Port cities are always the most important cities, and you can't have a port city if you don't have any coastlines.We need to get access to the seawhy exactly?
Outside of all the direct bonuses, they are also an easy target, whose direct repercussions of taking will be quite manageable. Lots to gain, little to lose. This is an opportunity I have had an eye on for a while.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 12:54:35 pm
Oh right, we married into helliste, didn't we? Better do AGA then.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 09, 2018, 12:58:27 pm
Lets wait until we have some sorta reason for attacking before we do so.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 01:03:18 pm
Post by: Imic on September 09, 2018, 01:05:17 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 09, 2018, 01:08:32 pm
We could maybe find a new continent too.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2018, 01:08:58 pm
Hey Haspen! Can we have an option to invade Albion? I want a piece of the ocean, but I'd rather bring Karma to the former pirates than attack a nation that our family will one day rule.+1
A A[or Albion if it shows up] A
Helliste itself is a great prize I admit but I really really don't want our title to be 'Kinslayer' after attacking our aunt and cousins.
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 01:17:55 pm
now i may be delusional but didn’t we marry a princess to hellsite?Because therein lies our future. Massive economic potential with Gan Minsong, the ability to explore freely, the ability to circumnavigate other countries if we need to. There are all sorts of resources that can only come from the sea as well. Whales, pearls, coral, ect... . Port cities are always the most important cities, and you can't have a port city if you don't have any coastlines.We need to get access to the seawhy exactly?
Outside of all the direct bonuses, they are also an easy target, whose direct repercussions of taking will be quite manageable. Lots to gain, little to lose. This is an opportunity I have had an eye on for a while.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 01:25:13 pm
AEAea! We must reach the sea and locate Circe! Then we can make a fortune on pork products!
Oh right, we married into helliste, didn't we? Better do AGA then.
G will also lead to us fighting Kin, as Lametania is aligned with Eldrican.
That said, I'm not too concerned about fighting Kin myself. If anything we can invade, gain an upper hand, and then demand that they give us a port and that the King abdicate the throne to either his Yoean wife or one of his Yoe-blooded children. If the option to fight Albion don't show up, AEA.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 01:40:32 pm
G will also lead to us fighting Kin, as Lametania is aligned with Eldrican.Sure, but then we get to yell at them for doing it. After all, family is more important than petty alliances!
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2018, 01:52:32 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Modernize Siege Engineering Principles:
With proliferation of Fireblood as destructive military component, there's a need to modify and strengthen our forts to better protect against it - some are mentioning star-shapes and sloped walls - as well as develop measures to make bombardments more accurate to minimize damage to the valuable buildings, goods and potential subjects behind the enemy walls.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Implement the Vault System:
Introduce the 'Vaults' to the current Treasury system. Vaults are places where dwarves store money of their clients in exchange for stamped writs, which can be then taken to a Vault at a different dwarven domain and safely exchanged for cash in with only a small 'processing' tax handed to the dwarves. With a lot of wealthy clients, this could earn the Treasury a lot of money in the long run, especially if professional dwarven 'Vaulters' can be recruited.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
End of Year 1195 AD: Established Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
End of Year 1199 AD: Passed Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 01:57:54 pm
To make matters better, our strongest are situated in independent duchies, and will not be affected by the edict, so those with the best means to resist the tax will not have motivation to lash out against it.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 09, 2018, 01:59:38 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 02:00:00 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 02:08:54 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 09, 2018, 02:11:11 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 09, 2018, 02:15:09 pm
Defense before Money. Also, it feels weird having so much control over land. While I still really wouldn't advise it, I dare say we may even have enough power to take over Eldrican. Also, is that black spot next to the name of our empire supposed to be there or not?
Post by: Basil ii on September 09, 2018, 02:24:49 pm
Also, is that black spot next to the name of our empire supposed to be there or not?[edit] found it i hold the same opinion as spin in that it’s our capital
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 02:26:08 pm
It's real, right under the hyphen. I think it may be the capital?Also, is that black spot next to the name of our empire supposed to be there or not?it’s not showing up on my computer
Post by: Haspen on September 09, 2018, 02:27:02 pm
It's real, right under the hyphen. I think it may be the capital?Also, is that black spot next to the name of our empire supposed to be there or not?it’s not showing up on my computer
/me tosses confetti.
It was always there, just enlarged it because it might not have been visible at previous size now with that big name near it ;v
Post by: TankKit on September 09, 2018, 02:33:33 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 09, 2018, 02:35:24 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 09, 2018, 02:43:07 pm
Modernize Siege engineering principles
Post by: mightymushroom on September 09, 2018, 02:49:00 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 09, 2018, 04:08:31 pm
Modernize Siege Engineering Principles
Post by: auzewasright on September 09, 2018, 08:08:45 pm
But seriously, we should repeal state religion
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 08:23:28 pm
But seriously, we should repeal state religion
Honestly, now that we have Cydwyl, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But we should handle this war with Helliste, and wait for our army to recover before considering it.
Post by: omada on September 09, 2018, 08:29:48 pm
Modernize Siege Engineering Principles
next year with the boost in authority we can make the scaling tax
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 09, 2018, 08:38:21 pm
That said,
Fireblood skirmisher tactics
Post by: Criptfeind on September 09, 2018, 08:42:08 pm
In the meantime I agree that this isn't the time for controversial tax decisions, in the middle of the war with a new king.
Modernize Siege Engineering Principles
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 10:07:59 pm
What if we have a state religion and religious equality. The state supports one and that one gets fancy golden hats or whatever but everyone is free to worship what they want.Everyone is free to worship what they want right now. That's why we still have bullshit like Parsians starting riots against the Pantheonist preachers.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 10:33:27 pm
What if we have a state religion and religious equality. The state supports one and that one gets fancy golden hats or whatever but everyone is free to worship what they want.Everyone is free to worship what they want right now. That's why we still have bullshit like Parsians starting riots against the Pantheonist preachers.
To be fair, they would likely riot harder if we told them they couldn't practice 11ism or Alldivineism.
Post by: Taricus on September 09, 2018, 10:36:12 pm
...But on the other if they riot we can get the perfect excuse to wipe out the lot of them.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 10:37:56 pm
On one hand that's a case for loosening religious restrictions.
...But on the other if they riot we can get the perfect excuse to wipe out the lot of them.
Good to know that Parsians trump Pantheonists on the list of things in SPAMKINGDOM that Taricus despises.
Post by: Taricus on September 09, 2018, 10:42:01 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 09, 2018, 10:43:48 pm
To be fair, they would likely riot harder if we told them they couldn't practice 11ism or Alldivineism.Oh totally. I was arguing that things are fine the way they are.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 11:02:56 pm
To be fair, they would likely riot harder if we told them they couldn't practice 11ism or Alldivineism.Oh totally. I was arguing that things are fine the way they are.
To be fair, where we are now is kind of a half measure. Being Pantheonist for the sake of being Pantheonist was a great idea while we were trying to woo Cydwyl, but now that we control Cydwyl, I fail to see the value of our current religious policy. Schools I guess?
We should eventually either go freedom of religion and bill of rights or all in on the religious edicts.
Going liberal with bill of rights might unlock cool new edicts.
Going theocracy will give us legitimate excuses to go to war when our eventual missionaries piss off our neighbors and/or allies when said missionaries convert neighboring monarchies.
Actually, we could probably do both, and eventually enact both missionaries and the bill of rights. Could lead to some interesting internal conflicts though. Especially if we add religious unity on top of that.
Post by: Taricus on September 09, 2018, 11:04:54 pm
Though on a more immediate front we need to start working on Cydwyl's nobility and crushing them like Methiant's has been.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 09, 2018, 11:09:39 pm
Bill of rights seems to be the best option. And hey, nothing says liberalism has to stop us from declaring war at all.
Though on a more immediate front we need to start working on Cydwyl's nobility and crushing them like Methiant's has been.
I think the most uppity of nobles have their own duchies now. I'm fine with that. More vassals means more troops we can call upon when war comes.
If Helliste, for example, somehow manages to force our armies back, they will likely have to go through the fully rested and healthy armies of the three Methiant-Cydwyl Duchies that border them to launch a counter attack.
Post by: TankKit on September 10, 2018, 08:16:01 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 10, 2018, 08:59:47 am
The idea that more vassals means more troops is somewhat idiotic when it's land you could of gotten troops from anyway. It's not like there will magically be more troops coming from an area if you make it a vassal. Just saying.well we haven’t actually used the manpower from those regions in like 15 years
Post by: Criptfeind on September 10, 2018, 09:08:50 am
The idea that more vassals means more troops is somewhat idiotic when it's land you could of gotten troops from anyway. It's not like there will magically be more troops coming from an area if you make it a vassal. Just saying.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works though. Scale of troops is very squishy and it's been the truth historically that even small areas can cough up competitive levels of troops out of seemingly no where if it's what Haspen thinks should happen. On the other hand, this basically always only happens to our detriment, so I doubt vassal troops would pop up to help us defend even though they'd probably pop up to rebel.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2018, 09:10:58 am
The idea that more vassals means more troops is somewhat idiotic when it's land you could of gotten troops from anyway. It's not like there will magically be more troops coming from an area if you make it a vassal. Just saying.Hmm. That's an interesting question of mechanics because our Imperial troops are not 'produced' by land so much as 'recruited' by gold.
I believe having vassals reduces our income commensurately as we are not collecting local taxes and whatnot; and that does act as a limit on the largest size army we can raise. But it's also true that we've reached a point of minimal returns where each budget increase now gains only one more point of maximum: thus four hypothetical econ points spent by vassals on 'split' armies should outnumber four points collected and spent centrally.
I vaguely recall a situation where Eval rode to the rescue while our main army was engaged on another front. But that's the rub: they were available as backup because they didn't march when the central empire declared war; we could only mobilize them on an emergency defense basis. So splitting up the armies may not work well for our core constituency. In addition, given our training regimen and dedicated armory ironworks, things not necessarily or even likely replicated by the vassals, it could be argued that the Grand Imperial Army would outfight the hypothetical split armies for a similar cost.
Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 10:23:11 am
You also decide the accept the offerings of the peasants and nobles and go to war against Helliste, under the pretext of obtaining freedom of trade with the distant Chai and Gan Minseng.
1212 AD, Spring
The war council gathers!
Your officers, at least some of them, are a bit uneasy having to wage war whilst you've just called for reform of the Fireblood corps as well as refurbishing of the forts. They don't want they guns half-prepared and their forts half-walled.
"What are you talking about?" Says one of the members of the opposing side. "We crush their armies in the field, and then besiege their cities till they give in to starvation and death. We don't need neither out forts in the Empire nor our tubes for that to work, come on!"
The officers continue to argue for a while; finally, they ask you whether you would agree to postpone the war against Helliste for a year.
A) "Nonsense, I've already commited to the war, so war it is!"
B) "Alright, alright, let's keep the bloodshed from happening this year."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 10, 2018, 10:24:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2018, 10:24:54 am
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Post by: helmacon on September 10, 2018, 11:46:35 am
There is almost zero chance they would make it into our territory, let alone put up a fight once there. We are plenty prepared.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 11:50:57 am
We are a martial leader, with a magic banner and a magic sword, a full army rating, invading a place a quarter of our size.
There is almost zero chance they would make it into our territory, let alone put up a fight once there. We are plenty prepared.
Honestly, I think they have a better chance of catching wind of our plans and invading us during the off year than they do of pushing back our invasion and launching a counter attack. A
Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 12:15:24 pm
1212 AD, Mid-Spring
Congratulations, you've become a father! Your wife, Mirinda, has just given birth to a squealing little boy, whom she named 'Luthas', after a hero from the folk tales from the days of the ancient Luathbas.
1212 AD, Summer
The representatives of the Cartography Charter has arrived for an audience.
"Great Emperor of even greater Methiant, our brave predecessors and founders were in the east, south and west so far, but the seas to the north, awesome and terrifying in their vastness, still hold many secrets. And recently we learn that some half-elfs and Dvars live there, and that the dark and cold waters can be crossed to reach all the way to Prawlant? We've decided that we absolutely need to follow these hearsays and see with our own eyes what lies beyond the northern horizon."
A) "I was curious myself. Take the money, and bring me knowledge of the northern lands!"
B) "Not now, shoo."
Post by: omada on September 10, 2018, 12:16:21 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 12:50:10 pm
1212 AD, Midsummer
An invitation from Feir, King of Eldrican!
He is inviting you, your wife and newborn son for a 'family reunion', so to speak; as the Damedians of the south celebrate Greatness, the (5th) anniversary of victory of Damed over all fake gods of men, the Eldrican court is taking this opportunity to host a party at the royal palace. Invited are numerous prestigious personas both local and foreign, and of course, Emperor of Methiant had to be invited as well.
A) Heathen celebrations are beneath my notice.
B) Just think of opportunities - I'm going!
C) Imma send few diplomats there, is that alright?
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 12:53:34 pm
As much as I find the Damdamian celebration distasteful, we should shore up ties with one branch of the family if we are planning to make war on another.
Post by: Basil ii on September 10, 2018, 12:53:51 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2018, 01:03:15 pm
Who knows, maybe well have chance to convert. With the Cult of Damed as our State Religion we would finally be confident of our southwestern flank and we could dominate the North! :P
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 10, 2018, 01:08:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 01:11:51 pm
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Who knows, maybe well have chance to convert. With the Cult of Damed as our State Religion we would finally be confident of our southwestern flank and we could dominate the North! :P
I agree that is tactically sound thinking, but there is no way in hell the players will vote to convert.
If anything, we are in the age of fireblood, and religion is less important. We could offer a military alliance in spite of our differences and hopefully get a similar effect.
I'm also hoping Feir can find a husband for our sister. We have not officially named our new son heir, and I'd rather not do so until he comes of age. We have had two long regencies in a very short peroid, I'd rather not suffer a third, but if Aina does wind up having to take the crown, she will need heirs of her own.
Post by: Basil ii on September 10, 2018, 01:18:50 pm
Who knows, maybe well have chance to convert. With the Cult of Damed as our State Religion we would finally be confident of our southwestern flank and we could dominate the North! :Pyou do realize how big of a civil war that would create?
Post by: TankKit on September 10, 2018, 01:50:19 pm
Diplomacy is good. It offers opportunities of all kinds. And yeah, things would not go well if we converted to the Cult of Damed. Civil war is only one of the problems caused by that. Also, it's the Age of Fireblood. Speaking of which, I wonder what the next step is technologically, though I also imagine it involves a constantly increasing number of hand arms. Preferably with us ahead in that regard, since being left behind technologically can be disastrous.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 01:51:36 pm
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Speaking of which, I wonder what the next step is technologically, though I also imagine it involves a constantly increasing number of hand arms. Preferably with us ahead in that regard, since being left behind technologically can be disastrous.
I'm guessing the printing press is due to drop soon.
Post by: helmacon on September 10, 2018, 01:52:25 pm
They are celebrating victory over foreign faiths, and we actively sponsor a different faith.
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Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 02:04:10 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 10, 2018, 02:21:01 pm
I thought that too. But Haspen didn't say anything about our sister/heir going to the party. If they Red Wedding our asses, Methiant-Cydwyl still has an adult monarch and an army score of 10. I doubt that ends well for them.if we choose the current houlandin son as heir we Would have another regency I’d prefer if we picked our sister as we can then focus on revenge immediately
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 02:25:00 pm
I thought that too. But Haspen didn't say anything about our sister/heir going to the party. If they Red Wedding our asses, Methiant-Cydwyl still has an adult monarch and an army score of 10. I doubt that ends well for them.if we choose the current houlandin son as heir we Would have another regency I would prefer if we picked our sister as we can then focus on revenge immediately
Our son is going to the party with us. If we get red weddinged, he likely dies too, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 02:37:32 pm
1212 AD, Late Summer
You gently place the Crown of Methiant on head of Luthas, who, in his early teens, has been destined to replace you. He smiles, in his left hand the Damedian medallion, in his right, the Blade of Puncturing.
Then you hear a squawk; an enormous eagle descends from the heavens towards you. You cover your eyes, but the attack does not come, so you lower your hands.
Luthas lies in the pool of his own blood. You try to grab him, but your own, bloodstained hands can't reach, and it feels as if your eyes are moving away from the bloody scene.
Then, you hear a laughing roar of two lions, and a roaring laughter of two women. One of them, a high-pitched and melodic one sounds suspiciously like that of your wife; you turn around, but instead of women and lions, you see a stag; a white stag, whose fur suddenly becomes black, just as black as the darkness that starts to cover everything. You try to outrun the darkness, but the darkness engulfs you as well.
That's when you wake up finally. It is still before morning, and the nightmare, so vivid in detail, seems now to be something about forest animals and laughing?
What does it all mean?
A) It's a warning that I shouldn't attack Helliste, for it will bring ruin upon future of Methiant!
B) It's a warning against my own wife, she is plotting something with my enemies!
C) It's a warning against visit to the Eldrican, they're trying to kill me and my son!
D) It's a warning that being nice to Damedians will bring destruction upon my house!
E) ...That eating leftover garlic and cheese stew shortly before sleep is a bad idea.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 10, 2018, 02:39:10 pm
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Post by: Prophet on September 10, 2018, 02:41:15 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 10, 2018, 02:48:17 pm
The white stag is our Pantheonist protector spirit, after all.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 10, 2018, 02:49:27 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 03:04:32 pm
Never again (hopefully)!
1212 AD, Autumn
As you prepare for visiting Eldrican with your wife and your heir, two women approach you - one is your sister Aina, the other is your aunt Cylia.
Both want to visit Eldrican as well.
A) "Sorry, the invitations didn't include you girls."
B) "Sure thing, it's a big family reunion after all!"
Post by: ZBridges on September 10, 2018, 03:06:39 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 10, 2018, 03:06:44 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 03:08:04 pm
We need them at home just in case this is a Red Wedding.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 10, 2018, 03:09:09 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 10, 2018, 03:10:18 pm
I'm not entirely sure what a Red Wedding is, but I can't help but sing, it's a nice day for a red wedding.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2018, 03:10:48 pm
Nah, the dream is about when our son is grown up. That's when the remnants of Helliste plot with our Eldrican relatives to kill our family.
Perfectly safe today, but I'd think twice if any marriage offers are made.
Post by: Taricus on September 10, 2018, 03:12:48 pm
I think we MIGHT want to do a purge of the pantheonist clergy before we go to war with helleste, JUST in case.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 03:16:43 pm
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Nah, the dream is about when our son is grown up. That's when the remnants of Helliste plot with our Eldrican relatives to kill our family.
Perfectly safe today, but I'd think twice if any marriage offers are made.
Even without the dream, I'd feel rather nervous about sending our entire fucking bloodline to a celebration of a faith that is hostile towards our own. Putting all our eggs in one basket is just a bad idea.
If they decide to take out the Methiant-Cydwyl branch of the family at the party, and we bring the entire Methiant-Cydwyl branch of the family to the party, it is game over.
If they decide to take out the Methiant-Cydwyl branch of the family at the party, but we leave some designated survivors at home, we can keep playing.
Post by: Taricus on September 10, 2018, 03:21:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 03:24:10 pm
To be fair we could seek some form of accommodation with them and their faith (Religious freedom anyone?) and IIRC the current king of Eldrican is kin and out of the way of succession.
Yes, but so is the current queen and heirs of Helliste, and we are not above fucking with them. Why should we assume they are any more trustworthy than we are?
Post by: Haspen on September 10, 2018, 03:30:03 pm
A week-and-half later, and without incidents on the way, you reach the Eldrican capital. It's still very much a standard city, but big and with great emphasis on marble and granite buildings. Very tall buildings, you've gotta add.
The palace of Eldrican royalty seems a bit small, and probably wasn't renovated in quite a while.
The reunion feast begins and many guests are present.
A very grumpy Damdamian priest, probably of some influence, is seated to the far left, amongst with two men of Damdamian hair and coloration, who seem to be rather enjoying the food on their table.
Oh, there's Ciri! And her husband, whatshisface- Sigurd of Helliste! Of course Feir and his wife Sigurda lead the feast at the centre of the tables. Hein, with half his hair lost and his face covered in a veil that exposes only his left eye, lips and nostrils, sulks at Feir's right hand, dressed in a brown robe with a hood.
Strangely enough for the celebrations' backgrounds, some dwarves are also present. They're seated at Feir's left hand's side, munching happily on some meats. Considering their gaudy clothes, bald heads and jewellry they wear, they are quite possibly businessdwarves, or diplomats, or perhaps both at once.
To the far right, you see some proud, chainmail-clad, noblemen, all with the black-on-white eagle of Rucus. They simply enjoy the food, although you can notice they're casting many stares around the dining hall.
Other than that, the guests seem to be pretty local, for you recognize some emblems of Eldrican nobility amongst them. A whole delegation of Tirines is present, but Alsassians are missing out on the party it seems.
Feir hasn't yet, per custom of the feast, summoned you to seat and dine with him. Maybe its time to strike up a conversation with someone?
A) The dwarves?
B) Ciri and her husband?
C) The Damedians?
D) Some local nobles?
E) Tirine diplomats?
F) The host, Feir, himself?
G) Rucusian delegates?
H) Sad Uncle Hein?
Post by: ZBridges on September 10, 2018, 03:33:05 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 10, 2018, 03:34:05 pm
Let's see how Eldrican's doing I guess.
Post by: Taricus on September 10, 2018, 03:34:36 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 10, 2018, 03:34:58 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 10, 2018, 03:35:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 10, 2018, 03:38:58 pm
Edit: One thing about that dream is that our son was holding a Damed medallion. Listen, Pantheonist gods, when I said maybe we could convert: that was a joke. No need to plan elaborate revenge. I even included a tongue emoji!
Post by: Weirdsound on September 10, 2018, 03:42:34 pm
Lets see if we can turn our war against Helliste into a joint campaign with Helliste against Albion.
Post by: helmacon on September 10, 2018, 05:58:37 pm
The eagle! The eagle that kills our son!
Post by: Prophet on September 10, 2018, 09:31:53 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 10, 2018, 11:42:10 pm
Post by: Imic on September 11, 2018, 01:36:09 am
Why the fuck are we sympathising with the Damedians?
Post by: Taricus on September 11, 2018, 01:52:39 am
Post by: Imic on September 11, 2018, 02:57:57 am
Because, unlike Parsians, they have the fact that they're not Parsians to sympathise with.The Parsians are fucked, we own them now! Well, sortof. The Damedians gave us shit for our disowned sibling thing.
Post by: Haspen on September 11, 2018, 10:43:26 am
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You decide to talk with Ciri and her husband.
Siguard is very welcoming and hugs you as if you were a brother.
You learn that recently the trade with Chai and Gan Minsong has lessened; the two nations are currently at war and therefore they both do their best to stop each other ships as well as often seize cargo on independent ships. While Albionese have enough ships to deter such piracy, the Helliste navy isn't that strong.
You half-mention that Methiant needs access to the sea, and Siguard rubs his chin.
"If your merchants would pay passage taxes and port fees for goods brought from the eastern lands, I would grant them priviledged use of the harbors in the city of Wella. It's on the shore straight south of the Black Isles. Interested?"
A) "I want full control of Wella, or else!"
B) "Taxes are fine, we have a deal."
C) "This does not interest me, you know."
Post by: Criptfeind on September 11, 2018, 10:52:56 am
Will this let us call off the war? Of course it will, right?
Post by: helmacon on September 11, 2018, 11:00:56 am
A, or C
Post by: Kashyyk on September 11, 2018, 11:01:40 am
Post by: birdy51 on September 11, 2018, 11:02:27 am
This does hinge on whether or not we go to war yet. And as for calling off war, peace tend to be more valuable in the end, and Siguard seems rather chill and keen on finding a diplomatic solution. But! I will understand if people still want a war and won't hold it against them.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 11, 2018, 11:05:35 am
Why does everyone want to call off this war. This is a perfect opportunity for us.
A, or C
Randomly warring people for no good reason is going to cause other nations to hate us and not respect us. I think honestly most other nations already don't like us, randomly going to war is just going to make it worse. That's why I want to call off the war at least.
Post by: Basil ii on September 11, 2018, 11:09:54 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 11, 2018, 11:22:26 am
Add to the lack of provocation that this is close family. We have male cousins in Helliste of Houlandin's age, do you really think Haspen will miss the chance to pit us against them? (Or are you leaving Houlandin and his bonuses home?) Reputation as a warmonger is bad enough, becoming a kinslayer guarantees nobody will want to be seen talking to us.Why does everyone want to call off this war. This is a perfect opportunity for us.
Randomly warring people for no good reason is going to cause other nations to hate us and not respect us. I think honestly most other nations already don't like us, randomly going to war is just going to make it worse. That's why I want to call off the war at least.
Post by: omada on September 11, 2018, 11:23:30 am
Here, we will have acess to the sea, create contacts to start building our own ships and maybe colonize somewhere far away or have the pillars for building an armada faster when we conquer albion or whatever, and if they decide to cut our way we will have a nice excuse
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 11, 2018, 11:31:57 am
Post by: Prophet on September 11, 2018, 11:43:31 am
Post by: TankKit on September 11, 2018, 11:55:42 am
Good, a chance to have access to the sea without having to go to war. Such chances are always valuable.
Post by: Twinwolf on September 11, 2018, 12:05:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 11, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
Hopefully we get the Military/Politics/Religion/Family option after this. Sounds like he might not mind the opprotunity to take Albion down a peg or two.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 11, 2018, 01:02:52 pm
Now, I think going to war is an important and good thing to do every now and again. But we're supposed to direct that against nations that don't like us.
Especially since Haspen is clearly trying very hard to convince us not to attack Helliste.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 11, 2018, 01:09:00 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 11, 2018, 01:24:15 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 12, 2018, 01:55:13 pm
You chit-chat a little more but nothing else comes on the tapestry of conversation. You look at Feir, but he is busy himself with others.
A chance for even more connection-making?
A) Sad Uncle Hein?
B) The Damedians?
C) The dwarves?
D) The host, Feir, himself?
E) Some local nobles?
F) Tirine diplomats?
G) Rucusian delegates?
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 12, 2018, 01:56:24 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 12, 2018, 01:57:07 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 12, 2018, 02:02:05 pm
I'd rather deal with Rucus directly than try to control them through the church or greater Damdamia.
Post by: Prophet on September 12, 2018, 02:02:31 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 12, 2018, 02:05:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 12, 2018, 02:09:28 pm
Because I remember how much Eirika's kindness meant to Houlandin I.
Sometimes we can do things just because it's family.
Roleplay as a person.
(Maybe even get a nice trait for being nice.)
(Impress the wizards?)
Post by: Kashyyk on September 12, 2018, 02:17:16 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 12, 2018, 02:29:08 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 12, 2018, 02:50:17 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 12, 2018, 02:51:07 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 12, 2018, 02:54:13 pm
Seems fine to me.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 12, 2018, 03:39:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 12, 2018, 10:51:52 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 14, 2018, 01:08:35 pm
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You sit down with uncle Hein.
The veiled elder isn't very talkative, although he is very responsive for most questions you ask him.
Finally, you learn that the arson wasn't a freak accident; drunken Feir arranged a fire-eating show amongst his fellow drunken noblemen. While the blame of course was put on the performers, it was Feir who insisted on the fateful show that caused the blaze and death of his family members (and Hein's hideous head scars).
It seems that Feir has been shoring it very hard with southerners. He has already promised, on scrolls, that Rucusian and Eldrican families will oft exchange marriages to ensure outside competition will have no chances in attaining power in Eldrican royal family. While your uncle does not know the details of the written promise, he is pretty sure he has heard that all three of Feir's children has been already bethrothed to members of Rucusian royal family.
There has been some recent instability in the north; the tribes, unwilling to accept Pantheonist or Damedian preaching, has been conducting raids on foreign temples as well as assaulting travelers and hapless villages on the very outskirts of the Kingdom, while some previously settled tribes has abandoned their farmlands and enclosures to live with their horses on the vast northern steppes.
Hein seems very eager to tell you things, as if he was in a rush. Anything else you would want to ask him about?
A) The Kingdom and the Dwarves.
B) The Kingdom and the Elfs.
C) The Kingdom and the Republics.
D) The Kingdom and the Cult of Damed.
E) Feir and his plans for the Kingdom.
F) Feir and his plans for Eldrican neighbours.
G) King of Eldrican himself.
Post by: Taricus on September 14, 2018, 01:16:34 pm
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Post by: Weirdsound on September 14, 2018, 01:37:24 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 14, 2018, 02:01:39 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 14, 2018, 02:10:50 pm
Post by: omada on September 14, 2018, 02:11:20 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 14, 2018, 02:30:16 pm
Knowing the man will inform us about all his relationships and plans.
Post by: TankKit on September 14, 2018, 03:14:19 pm
Let's see what his plans are.
Post by: Haspen on September 15, 2018, 10:51:19 am
"He has long ago begun to feel terrible jealousy towards you, and Methiantese in general. In his eyes, he should be Emperor, and he wants to make an Empire of his own. So, he is pushing relentlessly to curb local nobles' powers. Disobedience means death, that's the way my little despot son does things around here. And we wants to get Dwarves to run the ironworks and for Damedians to run religion in Eldrican. Hrmph."
You thank Hein for all this and wish him pleasant evening; he grumbles in response.
A while later, you're seated near Feir, the King of Eldrican having reserved a cushioned chair for Emperor of Methiant. Curiously, he is evading conversations about politics and family, too.
Are you going to try anyways?
A) Sure, let's talk about trade.
B) We need to chat about religion.
C) Maybe it's time for family talks.
D) Let's consider political options, yes.
E) Eh, he won't listen anyways.
Post by: TankKit on September 15, 2018, 10:54:47 am
C
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 15, 2018, 11:11:15 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 15, 2018, 11:14:39 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 15, 2018, 11:21:50 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 15, 2018, 01:12:03 pm
Post by: omada on September 15, 2018, 01:58:33 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 15, 2018, 04:04:11 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 15, 2018, 04:16:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 16, 2018, 10:58:23 am
"Trade? What do we need to trade for, nephew? You trade with east, I trade with the west, and I'm sure we have all the wealth and supplies we ever need."
"Fireblood ingredients, however, you have plenty of them." You remind him.
"Damdamians pay me a lot for them. Why should I sell them to Methiant instead?"
You decide to...
A) Try to find another topic of conversation.
B) Try to interest him in some other trade deal.
C) Do offer a better price than Damdamians!
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 16, 2018, 10:59:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 16, 2018, 11:01:36 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 16, 2018, 11:07:02 am
Post by: TankKit on September 16, 2018, 11:11:18 am
We can get more fireblood for ourselves and less fireblood for the Damdamians.
Post by: Basil ii on September 16, 2018, 11:16:51 am
We can get more fireblood for ourselves and less fireblood for the Damdamians.also don’t we have a artifact for negotiations like this?
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 16, 2018, 12:18:06 pm
Yeah, the Necklace of Persuasion.We can get more fireblood for ourselves and less fireblood for the Damdamians.also don’t we have a artifact for negotiations like this?
Post by: Basil ii on September 16, 2018, 12:58:10 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 16, 2018, 01:41:55 pm
Post by: omada on September 16, 2018, 01:48:50 pm
although C is nice too
Post by: Criptfeind on September 16, 2018, 02:10:36 pm
Post by: ZBridges on September 16, 2018, 03:03:44 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 16, 2018, 05:46:03 pm
ANSWER HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM C TO B
Post by: mightymushroom on September 16, 2018, 08:38:58 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 16, 2018, 09:39:09 pm
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Post by: Haspen on September 17, 2018, 10:17:26 am
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You try to interest him in something else.
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Ziiing.
"Nephew." Feir grins and then leans toward you. "Don't think you're the only one who can afford protective dwarven trinkets here."
You two therefore try to negotiate without the trinkets.
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You mention the t'chai leaves, and your uncle rubs his chin.
"Well, my noblemen have been indulging in eastern drinks lately. If you route some of those smelly leaves in my direction, I could give your Treasury a cut from the profits. Yearly, of course."
You decide to...
A) Agree to send half of tchai to Eldrican, you have too much anyways.
B) Try to negotiate some other trade deal.
C) Change topics altogether.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 17, 2018, 10:19:10 am
Post by: Twinwolf on September 17, 2018, 11:02:07 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 17, 2018, 11:22:42 am
I'm sure they grow more valuable the further they get from Simmian lands.
Post by: TankKit on September 17, 2018, 11:24:29 am
Post by: omada on September 17, 2018, 11:50:00 am
I'm sure they grow more valuable the further they get from Simmian lands.
It's a new item on the market, it's rarer, it will include all the logistic costs, probably it will be more valuable
Post by: Basil ii on September 17, 2018, 12:18:02 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 17, 2018, 01:50:42 pm
Unfortunately, that's all you can do with Feir, for he avoids further politics and the feast simply continues.
On the last morning, you learn that Feir is not attending any audiences, so that might be a chance to get him into political talks once more!
A) Let's not overstay our welcome, and head home.
B) How about I try to mingle with his nobles and relatives?
C) Sure thing, we might squeeze out one extra deal from him!
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 17, 2018, 01:54:14 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 17, 2018, 01:54:55 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 17, 2018, 01:58:47 pm
Let's try to find a husband for our sister. Even if Feir's family is all committed to the Ruscans, he might have important nobles who might want to marry the heir to the throne of Methiant.
Post by: Haspen on September 17, 2018, 02:16:50 pm
You learn that the noblemen of Eldrican are wary of Feir's ambitions. Apparently, as far as the rumors amongst them go, he wants to spread his dynasty across southern lands and create an empire that will have Methiant burn with jealousy. He is also introducing many concepts from Damdamian Empire, namely some book manufacturing item, as well as the concept of 'hospitals' where sick people are kept under care of numerous healers, as well as, very controversional for the nobles, scaling tax that's apparently going to have them pay more than peasants do.
You also learn that the Duke of Tirine, a fervent Damedian and strong supporter of Feir, is looking for a spouse for either of his children; his young son and heir needs a wife, and his eldest daughter, apparently of scholarly disposition, still goes around without a husband despite being in her twenties.
You decide to...
A) Offer your sister Aine as a a bride for his son and heir.
B) Mention that your uncle Deathan has unwed sons, and you're sure he would be willing to provide a husband for Duke's eldest daughter.
C) Do nothing about it.
Post by: Basil ii on September 17, 2018, 02:22:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 17, 2018, 02:23:17 pm
Still, might as well set up ties with the guy. B. Deathan's own wife is the daughter of a fervent Damdian, so we might as well keep that tradition going with his sons.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 17, 2018, 02:24:08 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 17, 2018, 02:25:16 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 17, 2018, 02:37:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 17, 2018, 03:01:40 pm
"I would gladly accept one of them as a husband for my eldest daughter, but I cannot accept a Pantheonist in my family. That would offend the Father!"
You decide to...
A) Convince him a bit harder.
B) Drop the topic.
C) Assure him his future son-in-law will convert.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 17, 2018, 03:04:58 pm
I doubt this guy has a dwarf artifact to counter ours. Lets put the screws on him.
Also, glad to have a confirmation that Deathan the spineless wasn't pressured by his father-in-law to raise his family Damdamian.
Post by: Basil ii on September 17, 2018, 03:38:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 17, 2018, 04:03:16 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 17, 2018, 04:46:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 17, 2018, 11:20:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 17, 2018, 11:58:02 pm
we can use our necklace with him. And it would do well to try and weaken one of the stronger forces of their damn religion over here.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 18, 2018, 12:21:46 am
A
we can use our necklace with him. And it would do well to try and weaken one of the stronger forces of their damn religion over here.
This arrangement would likely send his daughter to Methiant and do little to weaken the Damdamian faith in Tirine. The purpose here to make friends with people Feir trusts, so that they might curb the anti-Methiant urges he is said to possess.
Post by: mightymushroom on September 18, 2018, 08:28:46 am
Post by: Haspen on September 18, 2018, 01:34:33 pm
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4*
"If the Emperor provides the monetary sacrifice for Damed, the Father, to appease his surely incoming wrath at this, I could accept. But only then!"
You decide to...
A) Just drop the topic.
B) Agree to send some money.
Post by: Basil ii on September 18, 2018, 01:37:16 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 18, 2018, 01:40:11 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 18, 2018, 01:49:12 pm
We can afford it. And with a strange prophecy dream suggesting that their may be trouble with our own children inheriting the throne, we should get started on a stock of backup Yoean children.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 18, 2018, 02:01:10 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 18, 2018, 02:42:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 18, 2018, 02:58:17 pm
We can afford it. And with a strange prophecy dream suggesting that their may be trouble with our own children inheriting the throne, we should get started on a stock of backup Yoean children.Maybe having their own in one of the Yoean branches* is the trigger for the Eldrican 'lions' to usurp our son? Personally, I feel more worried that some potential 'heirs' whom we voters skip past may be ambitious than that our family is too small.
*One residing inside Methiant-Cydwyl, that is: Eldrican's ruling family are already Yoeans via Hein.
I have an illogical feeling that there's a trap here somewhere; Feir's court may not murder us at the dinner table but it's hardly friendly. At the same time I have a poor record when it comes to guessing ahead, and everything I can point to seems to indicate a positive match, so I'll vote
B
against my instincts.
Meanwhile, if Eldrican is setting itself up to be an archrival in the coming years we should get our own diplomats and spies working to strengthen connections with the southern lands lest they choose sides. Getting a hold of a book making device and creating hospitals wouldn't hurt either, make sure to drop those ideas in the Imperial Suggestion Box when we get home.
Post by: Taricus on September 18, 2018, 03:03:39 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 18, 2018, 03:06:12 pm
What if making so many children is what causes the split?
Post by: Weirdsound on September 18, 2018, 03:20:30 pm
B
What if making so many children is what causes the split?
I think Haspen will find an excuse to make something terrible happen at the appointed time regardless of what we do. Having more children give the dynasty a greater chance of surviving his GMly whims.
Post by: Haspen on September 18, 2018, 03:47:51 pm
You decide to send some money to the Damedian shrines in Tirine. The Duke praises your open-mindedness and awaits your and Deathan's response to which of his sons would be his daughter's, Lubella's, husband.
Few hours alter, you are underway to Methiant!
And just a week later, you're back safely upon your throne.
As you speak with Deathan, it is clear that he has mixed feelings about further mingling with Damedians.
"I believe Methiantese, no, people of our Empire, should see their rulers as proper and Pantheonist, despite my wife's wishes. Still, this is a request from the Emperor..." He asks for a month or so to talk with his sons and promises to give you an answer by Mid-Autumn.
1212 AD, Mid-Autumn
"Sire! Some zealots are rioting in Parsia!" A young courtier barges into your afternoon swordfighting practice.
"Is it Pantheonists or Alldivinists?"
"Err, no, it's the Elevens."
As it turns out, some of Alldivine preachers have addressed the wrong crowd, for the clerics of Eleven Graces has inflamed said crowd to stone the Alldivine preachers, right in the market square of the southeasternly city of Aimak.
The storning led to riots, and riots led to general uprising of Aimak citizens; Methiantese and Pantheonists, Alldivinists and foreigners, all those who are not Parsian and do not adhere to Eleven's cult are being purged or otherwise violated. The garrison of the city has suffered many losses and locked itself in the keep, unable to restore order, and the fate of the governor of the city, who attempted to flee, is currently unknown.
A) Send the Army to restore order.
B) They will calm down, give them time.
C) I will ask them, in writing, to see reason.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 18, 2018, 03:52:19 pm
Dosn't the Alldivine have it's own church militia? We shouldn't have to lift a finger on this one.
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 18, 2018, 03:56:21 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 18, 2018, 03:56:32 pm
Dosn't the Alldivine have it's own church militia? We shouldn't have to lift a finger on this one.
Someone 'dissolved' their keeps and took their wealth, so they're no longer able to keep their own militia; all military things they do nowadays is have wandering warrior-priests/martial-arts-teachers who teach adventurers skills for a bit of coin.
Post by: Criptfeind on September 18, 2018, 04:02:36 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 18, 2018, 04:03:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 18, 2018, 04:11:09 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 18, 2018, 04:28:31 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 18, 2018, 04:34:41 pm
once again
Post by: omada on September 18, 2018, 07:45:09 pm
Dosn't the Alldivine have it's own church militia? We shouldn't have to lift a finger on this one.
Someone 'dissolved' their keeps and took their wealth, so they're no longer able to keep their own militia; all military things they do nowadays is have wandering warrior-priests/martial-arts-teachers who teach adventurers skills for a bit of coin.
good to know
A army kicking their asses will be enough
Post by: TankKit on September 18, 2018, 08:24:38 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 18, 2018, 11:52:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2018, 08:35:21 am
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2to4, 3to4*
Few days later you receive trading reports; Glassware sold very well. There's slight shortage of t'chai leaves compared to demand for them in Methiant, now that half of the bulk is sent westwards; the trade advisors will see whether the tax cut from Eldrican will help much.
1212 AD, Late Autumn
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4*
The army has crushed the revolt, although there have been many casualties amongst the soldiers and civilians. Hundreds of native Parsians had to be executed.
Few days after the report, Deathan arrives in your chambers with his decision.
"Duach would be more interested than Houlandin, but both have a request from you if they are to marry a Damedian girl."
"That being?"
"You make the married one a Duke of Ceodwell, or maybe Felonsein..." The older man scratches his cheek nervously as you look at him in confusion.
"Excuse me, uncle... what?"
"They're reasoning that Cydwyllian noblemen already have autonomy and priviledges, and it is unbecoming of Methiantese aristocrats, especially from the Imperial royal family, to be landless specks at the court. They want a title, lands, governmental autonomy and all that..."
"Uncle Deathan, I asked you to convince one of them to marry the girl from Tirine, not to ask if they want Dukedoms!"
"Yes, but, I listened to their pleas and they insisted I tell you and I didn't want to imprint on their liberties..." You rub your forehead in consternation.
A) "Send them over, I will convince them myself."
B) "Fine, I agree, one more Duchy won't make a difference."
C) "Okay, let's just forget about this, it was a bad idea from the beginning."
Post by: omada on September 19, 2018, 08:46:09 am
A ask them what more they have to offer, because marrying them and giving them lands to make our descendants have a possible problem over inheritance is a lose-win situation,
We can give them titles? yes! but maybe we should decide that every royal member has a work on an important place of the kingdom, be the councilmen be marshals and generals, and change the image of the emperor to the "decision-maker" I dunno
Post by: Basil ii on September 19, 2018, 08:52:23 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 19, 2018, 09:07:05 am
4* = 2 +1 from Military Drill ?
And A.
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2018, 09:07:51 am
Before this gets too far:
4* = 2 +1 from Military Drill ?
It's the new mathematical theorem, didn't you hear? :P
Fixed.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 19, 2018, 09:08:21 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 19, 2018, 10:15:40 am
A No to anything that strengthens the nobles.
A
To be fair, saying yes to this wouldn't be the end of the world. Duchies are expected to maintain their own troops, so this would make our empire's military even more formidable. I also don't think either Ceodwell or Felonsein produce resources we'd be missing out on.
Still, if we throw our weight around with the bracelet enough, we might get a negotiator title of sorts.
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2018, 10:45:44 am
Surely!
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3* (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHfiNSsqOF0)
"Cousin, you might be the Emperor, but we have our rights! Either Duchy, or no marriage!"
"I will order you to!"
"We won't listen anyway! She's Damedian! What kind of Methiantese would marry a Damedian?"
"I demand it! For the good of the Empire!"
"You're not our father, so go demand yourself!"
They leave in a huff, and after you calm down a bit, you have to bitterly admit that you just can't force your distant relatives to produce babies with whomever you please.
1212 AD, Winter
Gold and gemstones arrive to fill the Treasury.
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2to6, 1
Once again, the delicious Springwine sold for a lot of money in the south.
Unfortunately, t'chai leaves failed to sell in Eldrican well and the profit cut your merchants received from their western counterpart made them grumbly. They want to be compensated for this loss.
A) "Geez guys, it's the first year. Stop complaining, you will get rich in a year or two."
B) "Alright alright, I will give you some gold, just stop groaning."
C) "No profits!? Oh no! This has been the worst trade deal, probably in whole history of Methiant!"
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 19, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Post by: helmacon on September 19, 2018, 11:08:24 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 19, 2018, 11:23:38 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 19, 2018, 11:24:46 am
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2018, 11:36:29 am
1000 PAGES!! CONGLATURATIONS!! GOOD JOB!! SUCH SPAMKINGS!!
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Post by: VoidSlayer on September 19, 2018, 01:01:37 pm
C
Post by: omada on September 19, 2018, 01:02:05 pm
B
Post by: TankKit on September 19, 2018, 01:19:41 pm
A
Post by: Imic on September 19, 2018, 04:09:39 pm
Happy 1000th page, Haspen!
Post by: Haspen on September 19, 2018, 04:29:33 pm
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They talk as if you've just let them die off in a cataclysm. Their grumbling makes noblemen grumbling, and soon your whole court is loudly complaining that you are putting Methaint on the course toward economic ruin.
People get somewhat angry, and your authority scores a hit.
1212 AD, Midwinter
And speaking of Emperor's authority...
The council of nobles has convened and you were called in because they have a single, very simple, thing to discuss with you. It seems that they're worried - Cydwyllians mostly - that the interests of the Emperor might not exactly be overlapping with interests of Methiant-Cydwyl and its subjects. Many of the elder statesmen are even considering whether someone as young as you is capable of keeping power in your hands altogether.
"We must ask your Majesty to delegate some political power to the provinces and the administrators." One of the most prominent noblemen, Tamand Óires, speaks for the council. "It is obvious that the amount of territory to govern, fulfilling the needs of people of the Empire, and maintaining diplomatic ties with our neighbours, and issueing new laws, is not exactly a job for just one person."
Some noblemen argue that new Duchies must be created to allow local leader some autonomy; others, however, drawing an example from Damdamians, are considering whether it would be prudent to create a new council - Council of Lords - which would be taken many administrative burdens, mostly pertaining to economy, edicts and laws of the Empire, upon their shoulders, leaving the Emperor to simply approve or veto their decisions most of the time, as well as have the royal family concentrate on maintaining ties with other dynasties and direct the foreign policy of the nation.
A) Agreed, some new autonomous Duchies will be created, and I will pray that their subjects will be blessed with skilled and trustworthy leaders.
B) THE EMPEROR IS THE EMPIRE! Noblemen have no rights to interfere with our, divinely ordained, rule over Methiant-Cydwyl and its peoples! It's about time I deal with you, traitors!!
C) Now what is this talk? Friends, this smells of treason, and I'm sure y'all overreacting. Let me explain...
D) Fine, I guess it is time for some republicanism to be introduced. I will delegate some of my political powers to the Council of Lords.
Post by: ZBridges on September 19, 2018, 04:31:24 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 19, 2018, 04:34:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 19, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 19, 2018, 04:40:26 pm
I wouldn't be opposed to D if I thought our nobles were in a better state. As is I think it's just a road to balkinization and abuse of powers
B
Post by: Taricus on September 19, 2018, 04:45:12 pm
Post by: auzewasright on September 19, 2018, 04:46:43 pm
Post by: Imic on September 19, 2018, 04:50:01 pm
WHY ARE WE SYMPATHISING WITH DAMEDIANS!!??!!!!??!!!!!!?????!!???!!?!?!!!!!??
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 19, 2018, 04:50:12 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 19, 2018, 05:00:48 pm
Post by: birdy51 on September 19, 2018, 05:10:38 pm
VIOLENCE IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 19, 2018, 06:27:35 pm
So it is the one we should try.
B
Post by: vastaghen12 on September 19, 2018, 06:51:45 pm
We are the senate
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 19, 2018, 06:59:35 pm
B
Post by: Kashyyk on September 19, 2018, 07:04:20 pm
Post by: Twinwolf on September 19, 2018, 07:15:27 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 19, 2018, 07:19:46 pm
B
This is what people voted for way back when they voted to allow Cydwyl their traditional privileges instead of trying to integrate them properly. That decision has come home to roost and it's time to pay for it.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 19, 2018, 07:20:19 pm
Post by: omada on September 19, 2018, 09:10:32 pm
C?
B has high risk, but we can finally curb Cydywillian powers, and do punitive measures, like scaling tax
Post by: Weirdsound on September 19, 2018, 09:17:47 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 19, 2018, 09:25:46 pm
This is what people voted for way back when they voted to allow Cydwyl their traditional privileges instead of trying to integrate them properly. That decision has come home to roost and it's time to pay for it.
I don't think we should 'pay' by outright fighting them outnumbered in a crowded room (red exclamation point and all) in the questionable expectation of perpetuating a semi-absolute monarchy (we already have Bureaucrats and Statesmen) while our nation has more than doubled in size since the last serious reforms.
"Damdamian" model or no, I expect that establishing a Council of Lords will give the current group of independent-minded nobles an investment in our central bureaucracy while re-scaling our own duties to better match the size of our empire. This is integrating them, and also innovating.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 19, 2018, 09:28:39 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 20, 2018, 12:55:42 am
I'm gonna change to B. Come on guys, it'll be fun.
Post by: TankKit on September 20, 2018, 04:10:13 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 20, 2018, 05:30:54 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 20, 2018, 07:06:13 am
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 20, 2018, 09:36:09 am
I must deny the hangman his noose.
Post by: Haspen on September 20, 2018, 09:36:32 am
ccccccc
ddd
You address the gathered noblemen.
You tell them, that YOU are the EMPIRE, and that their political squabbling cannot continue. They're endangering you, they're endangering the Empire, and they're endangering the very people whose interests they apparently represent.
You declare that they have to submit to you, the Emperor, for you're the absolute authority in this land, and no one else!
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3*
The gathered nobles arise as a tumultuous mass, loudly shouting over each other that your demand is unacceptable.
The Shadowranks quickly gather around you, but of course that means ten against fifty plus some.
"The Emperor will listen to the nobility of the Empire!" They cry aloud. "If he will not, we will decidedly take the matters in our hands!"
A) "Then you're no longer a part of my Empire, traitors! Get them boys!"
B) "Rethink what you're talking about, and kiss my royal signet at once!"
Post by: Taricus on September 20, 2018, 09:42:29 am
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 20, 2018, 09:47:16 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 20, 2018, 09:49:22 am
Post by: Taricus on September 20, 2018, 09:54:45 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 20, 2018, 10:00:55 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 20, 2018, 10:01:34 am
and privately wonder how well this path of absolutism can possibly work in practice at our level of communications technologythe old Chinese dynasties did it pretty well and also Rome
Post by: Taricus on September 20, 2018, 10:09:58 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 20, 2018, 10:14:12 am
Both of those had either a lot of civil wars or else had quite a bit of corruption. Though to be fair the empire isn't as big as either of those.that is true however it does show that it’s possible to have a premodern large empire
Post by: Haspen on September 20, 2018, 10:16:04 am
About time we had another :P
Post by: Chiefwaffles on September 20, 2018, 10:27:58 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 20, 2018, 10:30:51 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 20, 2018, 10:51:04 am
Both of those had either a lot of civil wars or else had quite a bit of corruption. Though to be fair the empire isn't as big as either of those.that is true however it does show that it’s possible to have a premodern large empire
Empires are certainly possible, though in both empires cited there were often regional and local mini-dictatorships, which is what I read our nobles asking for. And in any case examples from our history don't translate into this guy rolling well. I'm reminded of our religious uprisings that ended in reform despite the emperor's repeated resistance to any notion that acknowledged the priests as a societal powerhouse; I don't have to like the manner in which the nobles made their presentation to think that reform now to bring the nobility into active government instead of this weird existence outside of it – and done under our control instead of having them dictate A to Aina at gunpoint – might get this over with and let us concentrate on growth and wealth.
Post by: Basil ii on September 20, 2018, 11:14:27 am
Post by: omada on September 20, 2018, 12:15:09 pm
The only thing I am sure is that I want is a artifact-gun
Post by: birdy51 on September 20, 2018, 12:51:12 pm
Kill!
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 20, 2018, 01:04:47 pm
Skulls for the Methianthese throne!
Post by: Weirdsound on September 20, 2018, 01:16:00 pm
I can't help but note that the last civil war we had in Methiant was 99 and half a years ago.
About time we had another :P
I'm not sure we'd have close to even sides for a card game.
Post by: melkor on September 20, 2018, 02:07:55 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 20, 2018, 04:27:46 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 20, 2018, 05:02:05 pm
"The Emperor will decide your fate
Post by: helmacon on September 20, 2018, 06:04:47 pm
Are 100% of the nobels against us? Not one has our backs? Not even the guys that swore oaths, like that guy our mom bought the healing stone from?
Post by: Prophet on September 20, 2018, 06:05:53 pm
If they want to fight our martial Emperor with the Blade of Puncturing in his hand and ten elite soldiers at our side then let them! The Yoeans command the greatest army seen in Luathbasian history! We shall slay them here and then we shall put a stop to this farce that the nobles are plotting! All the nobility will get back into line or they will feel the fury of the empire.
Post by: ZBridges on September 20, 2018, 06:19:14 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 20, 2018, 06:29:34 pm
Either way this will be a prime position to pass the Bill of rights.
Post by: Prophet on September 20, 2018, 06:40:52 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 20, 2018, 07:15:31 pm
Are 100% of the nobels against us? Not one has our backs? Not even the guys that swore oaths, like that guy our mom bought the healing stone from?None of this lot, anyway. (And that was our grandmom.)
If they want to fight our martial Emperor with the Blade of Puncturing in his hand and fifty elite soldiers at our side then let them!I think it's ten of us and fifty of them. If we had that many there wouldn't be any trouble, would there?
Post by: omada on September 20, 2018, 08:33:22 pm
If they want to fight our martial Emperor with the Blade of Puncturing in his hand and fifty elite soldiers at our side then let them!I think it's ten of us and fifty of them. If we had that many there wouldn't be any trouble, would there?
Yes, it's 10 (us) vs 50+(them)
What are the possible modifiers? +2 martial +1 blade +1(or 2?) shadowranks -2 numerical disadvantage?
so we got a +2 or +3 at least, we just can't roll 1 again for god's sake
Post by: Prophet on September 20, 2018, 08:50:02 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 20, 2018, 09:13:53 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 20, 2018, 09:36:23 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 20, 2018, 10:45:20 pm
Where do you think the military comes from? May as well sign the bill of rights into law seeing as it practically is rewarding our troops for crushing the nobility.
A huge portion of the army consists of foreign mercenaries. But yeah, a bill of rights might still benefit them.
Post by: TankKit on September 21, 2018, 03:10:19 am
Statistically, I will have to disagree with you there Omada. We have a 1 out of 6 chance of giving us a 1, and the dice owe us nothing because it gave us a 1 previously.I also have to disagree with you. Getting two 1s in relatively quick succession is less likely than getting one 1 and, since we have already experienced quite a few 1s recently, it is more likely that we will not get a 1.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 21, 2018, 05:14:04 am
since we have already experienced quite a few 1s recently, it is more likely that we will not get a 1.Completely untrue, the chance is and remains 1 out of 6. Previous rolls have no influence whatsoever on the next roll of a die.
Post by: omada on September 21, 2018, 05:18:58 am
ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY RNGEESUS
FOR HE SHALL BLESS OUR ROLLS
AND THE UNFAITHFUL SHALL SEE WE ROLLING
AND THE UNFAITHFUL SHALL BE HATIN
Post by: Imic on September 21, 2018, 05:21:49 am
Democracy, Ho!
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 21, 2018, 09:35:56 am
I also have to disagree with you. Getting two 1s in relatively quick succession is less likely than getting one 1 and, since we have already experienced quite a few 1s recently, it is more likely that we will not get a 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
Post by: Twinwolf on September 21, 2018, 09:59:06 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 21, 2018, 11:42:04 am
Post by: TankKit on September 21, 2018, 02:42:53 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 21, 2018, 07:44:31 pm
This is around my 10th attempt at making a response. I just keep getting more and more confused.It's pretty simple. As long as the dice are normal, chance of getting a 1 is always the same no matter what you've seen before.
Post by: helmacon on September 22, 2018, 02:01:03 am
Post by: TankKit on September 22, 2018, 04:39:03 am
Post by: omada on September 22, 2018, 08:43:16 am
although in this situation he can just use the same roll for different situations and only change the bonuses, if it's a bad outcome it will be bad anyway
hmmm...
I just thought for a second that although the crown of authority isn't a charisma booster it could had some effect in this negotiation, is it Too late to
Post by: Haspen on September 22, 2018, 10:01:44 am
I will get to updating tonight.
Post by: helmacon on September 22, 2018, 01:33:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 22, 2018, 01:36:59 pm
They are TRAITORS of the WORST KIND.
You order your Shadowranks to arrest them all, and execute those who raise arms!
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5*
Almost all of them do, and the Shadowranks come for the kill! The elite guards however easily slice through the enemies of the Crown, and you have to only protect yourself from the brave-slash-foolish few who manage to approach you, and even those are easily dispatched by your hand.
Before reinforcements arrive, the council room is full of dead, wounded or surrendered noblemen.
Though you're pretty sure you don't see at least half a dozen faces that were present when you demanded submission.
The captain of the Shadowranks arrives with extra guards to personally ascertain your safety.
"Emperor! About twenty of noblemen are still alive. What of them? And what shall we do with families and retainers that are also in the capital?"
As for the noblemen who surrendered...
A) Release them.
B) Interrogate and imprison them!
C) To the dungeon with them, they shall perish slowly!
As for families and retainers of the rebellious noblemen...
A) Let them go.
B) Imprison them all!
C) They shall suffer dungeon along with the traitors!
Post by: Taricus on September 22, 2018, 01:41:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 22, 2018, 01:42:45 pm
Post by: Lucus Casius on September 22, 2018, 01:45:44 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on September 22, 2018, 01:54:00 pm
B
Prisoners can be used as bargaining chips.
Post by: andrea on September 22, 2018, 01:54:06 pm
Lets take this slowly and properly. Get them locked up reasonably, interrogate, see how deep this goes. And we might start another round of centralization.
But we should avoid looking exceedingly cruel or improper.
Post by: TankKit on September 22, 2018, 01:59:03 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 22, 2018, 02:12:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 22, 2018, 02:14:36 pm
The families are bargaining chips, but there is no way the nobels that tried to kill us will ever see the light of day again.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 22, 2018, 02:17:55 pm
They shall know the price of betrayal
vote has been changed
Post by: Arlos on September 22, 2018, 02:20:13 pm
Thanks god we are not becoming the HRE....
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 22, 2018, 02:21:02 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 22, 2018, 02:27:28 pm
I just realized our wife's family may be among them, if so let's hope she doesn't take the news poorly.
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 22, 2018, 02:29:00 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 22, 2018, 02:48:03 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 22, 2018, 02:53:56 pm
Post by: auzewasright on September 22, 2018, 02:58:54 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 22, 2018, 02:59:08 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 22, 2018, 03:33:36 pm
Or perhaps a arguably worse fate, where they are kept in a box until the Emperor decides they are worth letting out.
By letting those who try to "improve" the empire from their own point of view out of prison while simultaneously giving them a reason to think of others (Their emperor, for example), we become merciful. They can keep doing their occupation as hoighty toighty nobles that do ... something and their families serve a purpose by reminding the nobles that life is sacred, Especially when it is in the hands of a just Emperor.
Changing my vote to A, B.
Post by: ZBridges on September 22, 2018, 03:34:03 pm
Post by: Imic on September 22, 2018, 03:40:32 pm
Post by: omada on September 22, 2018, 03:53:48 pm
next edict we should vote for scaling tax as a punitive measure.
And if we have 7 or more wealth let's donate to the poor and hide our revengeful (and a bit greedy) intentions as being good intentioned
Post by: crazyabe on September 22, 2018, 04:39:24 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 22, 2018, 11:00:12 pm
B B
I just realized our wife's family may be among them, if so let's hope she doesn't take the news poorly.
I somehow doubt our father-in-law would support limiting powers of a crown that will eventually fall to his own grandkids.
Anyway, lets take the BBargaining chips.
Post by: Prophet on September 23, 2018, 12:22:53 am
Let's see just how far this treachery goes. Truly we shouldn't have even let the Cydwyl nobles keep their power when our countries merged. Their greed spreads down from the north and threatens proper traditional Luathbasian Administrative Monarchy. Only the loyal and able are worthy of serving under our rule.
Post by: Haspen on September 23, 2018, 01:47:08 am
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You order imprisonment and interrogation - and torture if need be - of the traitor scum, their families and supporters that are in the capital.
Within next few days, the royal prison welcomes almost two hundred most important peoples; the city prison takes in another near-thousand of those related to them. Within few weeks, many of them - especially elderly and children - die of cold, torture and mistreatment.
But reports come to you that the Duchies are beginning to gather support, the brothers, sons and uncles of those captured raising troops to get rid of you and free their families.
A) Send the Army to invade the northern Duchies and crush the rebellion before it really begins!
B) Let them declare war first, this way we will be seen as the side that simply defends against vile rebels!
Post by: crazyabe on September 23, 2018, 01:55:38 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 23, 2018, 01:56:12 am
Post by: Taricus on September 23, 2018, 02:04:12 am
Post by: ZBridges on September 23, 2018, 02:19:54 am
Post by: helmacon on September 23, 2018, 04:01:56 am
Post by: Haspen on September 23, 2018, 05:19:22 am
1212 AD, Late Winter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsdubp5kFs)
As the officials, noblemen and officers in the audience room kneel to declare their unconditional submission to you, and those who disagree with your absolute rule, oh Emperor of Methiant-Cydwyl, you realize what have you just achieved.
No longer bound by any law or precedence, you are the Judge, the Administrator, the Governor, the General and the Ambassador. No one can contest your word, be it spoken or written, and to disobey you is now equal to treason, regicide even.
You are the Law.
You are the People.
You are THE EMPIRE.
The traditional Administrative Monarchy of Methiant-Cydwyl has been abolished in favor of Absolute Monarchy! This drastic change of government has lowered national Happiness by 4 and your Authority by 2.
Imperial Authority now can reach -3 and +3, providing diplomatic bonus/malus at respective maximums, but your absolutist and oppressive centralization policy will mean people will be harder to placate.
The Army is fighting at the border with Donuthian and Ionithian duchies, and reports come from around the Empire that some people are grumbling aloud at the fact you've cast aside the half-millenia long traditions of the region just to further centralize your power.
Still, no rioting immediately occurs.
Your loyal courtiers approach you shortly after Oath of Fealty; while the Army is fighting near the capital, they believe it shouldn't overextend itself and instead we should call upon our family in Helliste, or maybe in Eldrican, to put pressure upon the rebels from, respectively, north and west.
A) That is a good idea. We will send a request for assistance from Kingdom of Helliste at once.
B) Splendid idea! Let's ask our relatives to lend us a hand, and maybe, just maybe, I will return the favor one day.
C) That is a good idea. We will send a request for assistance from Kingdom of Eldrican at once.
D) Pft! I'm the most powerful person in the most powerful nation on this planet! We need no assistance!
Post by: ZBridges on September 23, 2018, 05:26:32 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 23, 2018, 06:06:36 am
Post by: TankKit on September 23, 2018, 06:31:43 am
Are we the bad guys in this situation?
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 23, 2018, 06:33:28 am
ANo, we're great. We are the state.
Are we the bad guys in this situation?
Post by: Basil ii on September 23, 2018, 06:51:07 am
Post by: Criptfeind on September 23, 2018, 07:25:06 am
But more seriously, this is fine, I would have rather eventually transformed into a constitutional monarchy, but going more and more feudal like the nobles wanted would have been a step back from any progress we wanted to follow.
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 24, 2018, 05:07:57 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 24, 2018, 05:42:26 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 24, 2018, 06:17:21 pm
you know what would be good to offset this drop in happiness and the concerns that we will abuse or power?
A bill of rights.
Post by: TankKit on September 24, 2018, 06:51:23 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 24, 2018, 06:54:21 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on September 24, 2018, 06:59:20 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 24, 2018, 07:06:47 pm
Now that we have less reason to placate the nobles as a class a Bill of Rights might be greater overall benefit than previously (supposing Houlandin actually wants to overcome his more despotic tendencies).
Post by: Taricus on September 24, 2018, 07:12:11 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 24, 2018, 07:27:09 pm
Post by: auzewasright on September 24, 2018, 07:42:04 pm
Giving them rights is a horrible idea. It'll just end up like giving the nobles more power did. With them trying to force us to give them even more rights and privileges. I'm more concerned with keeping our army strong and loyal out of all of our people. The Damdamians have always been an ever loomingCan't end any worse than making Pantheonism the state religion. They have caused more trouble having power than the peasants have not having power.evilthreat to the south, Eldrican is showing concerning signs of very possible conflict heading our way while it's under our traitorous relative, The Sim Empire so far hasn't really formed any really major connections between our Empires besides the spice trade which hasn't seemed to benefits relations as far as I can tell, and the North relatively recently cut deeply into the trade ties we've built with them over the years. Though I will admit that our port deal with Helliste shows some promise for continued relations.
Post by: TankKit on September 24, 2018, 07:46:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 24, 2018, 08:10:23 pm
Exactly, the peasants aren't causing trouble already so we don't need to placate them. We can make sure everyone is super happy when there are no longer multiple sizable threats looming on the horizon. For now we need a strong army to deal with the threats, and if the peasants start acting up we can appease them then.
For the highlighted part I'm not sure I understand why making our citizens more satisfied with their lives in our empire would negatively impact our preparedness; if nothing else, don't they supply the bulk of men and material for our army? We want them believing Methiant-Cydwyl is a safer place and its emperor a more just ruler than anywhere and anyone else who might bid for their allegiance.
But I can accept the first and last bits that even the associated loss of happiness and authority should leave us in the middle ground in both stats. (for now . . .)
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 24, 2018, 08:22:17 pm
Eldrican has already made clear that they want our throne. Asking them for help would seem like weakness, which they might use in their advantage. Helliste seems like a better option.
I'm still doubtful about asking them for help, because the power projection (/imperial authority) of us doing it alone seems like an immense bonus. However, power projection isn't our most important problem right now. Better be certain of our victory in this struggle before we start focusing on such comparatively minor bonuses.
Post by: auzewasright on September 24, 2018, 08:35:00 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 24, 2018, 08:44:39 pm
For the highlighted part I'm not sure I understand why making our citizens more satisfied with their lives in our empire would negatively impact our preparedness; if nothing else, don't they supply the bulk of men and material for our army? We want them believing Methiant-Cydwyl is a safer place and its emperor a more just ruler than anywhere and anyone else who might bid for their allegiance.Sorry if it isn't clear, but I consider Super happy to be different from just happy, obviously we should do our best to keep our citizens happy since that's where we get most of our soldiers from. Happy is the average happiness, while Super happy is Ruberta-as-ruler levels of happiness.
Post by: helmacon on September 24, 2018, 09:43:42 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 24, 2018, 10:50:05 pm
But yeah, giving them a baseline of protections would go a long way of ensuring they're mollified without having to put it up when they've really angry. And with some luck they'll go making a ruckus about rights in Eldrican or such, meaning we can hit them on the sly.
Post by: Chevaleresse on September 24, 2018, 11:00:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 24, 2018, 11:19:03 pm
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Correction, our power structure is centralised, not decentralised.
no. I'm saying that the power given by the Bill of rights would be decentralized amongst the peasants. They are not elected leaders acting as nobles or anything. They have no central figure to apply that power against us.
Post by: Basil ii on September 25, 2018, 12:04:34 am
Giving peasants rights would also help cement our deconstruction of noble privilege (outside the royalty.)The bill is still a terrible idea I mean every time we gave one group more power they always got more and more greedy why should this be any different?
Post by: Imic on September 25, 2018, 03:50:12 am
We have our armies to keep the people in line. I, personally, just want the bill of rights because I’m nice. The people deserve better.Giving peasants rights would also help cement our deconstruction of noble privilege (outside the royalty.)The bill is still a terrible idea I mean every time we gave one group more power they always got more and more greedy why should this be any different?
Post by: auzewasright on September 25, 2018, 05:57:24 am
Who says we are giving them power? It is more a couple of protections.Giving peasants rights would also help cement our deconstruction of noble privilege (outside the royalty.)The bill is still a terrible idea I mean every time we gave one group more power they always got more and more greedy why should this be any different?
Plus, it will help us survive when the inevitable age of revolutions comes.
Post by: TankKit on September 25, 2018, 06:41:42 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 25, 2018, 06:52:37 am
Post by: TankKit on September 25, 2018, 07:14:15 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 25, 2018, 07:20:20 am
Post by: TankKit on September 25, 2018, 08:59:10 am
Post by: Imic on September 25, 2018, 09:42:24 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 25, 2018, 10:10:34 am
I just want to be nice to the fucking peasants.we can do it later you know
Post by: Taricus on September 25, 2018, 10:43:56 am
Post by: TankKit on September 25, 2018, 11:58:00 am
Post by: Imic on September 25, 2018, 02:13:17 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 25, 2018, 02:37:47 pm
Post by: omada on September 25, 2018, 02:41:10 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on September 26, 2018, 02:47:33 am
First crush the nobles utterly, then give the commons a big boost. It will be impossible for the nobles to ever recover once the commons get used to the new state of affairs, and the merchant class will become ardent supporters if we can give them a bone or two.
EDIT: A standing army beholden to the king is one part of then end of the nobility. Once the king no longer needs noble levies to wage war, nobles start to lose power. Add in support of the commons and the power of the king is unassailable (after all, who makes up the armies?). A bill of rights can be spun as "something we always wanted to do, but the big bad nobles never let us".
Post by: TankKit on September 26, 2018, 04:24:48 am
EDIT: Also, leaders shunning the nobles to get the support of the people only to get killed by those very same nobles is surprisingly common.
Post by: helmacon on September 26, 2018, 04:31:53 am
But what about how the other countries and their nobles will react? I doubt they'll be very happy, and if we ever to attack a country with a lot of nobles they'll likely fight even harder since they know that if they lose they will literally lose everything. And the peasants could get greedy too, since it has been proven time and time again that nearly everyone in the SPAMKINGDOM universe is selfish in one way or another. In fact I think the only real exceptions are most of Cydwyl, the wizards, a kingdom in one of the older SPAMKINGDOM games and more recently the Sim Empire. That's all of the relatively selfless people I can think of off the top of my head.
EDIT: Also, leaders shunning the nobles to get the support of the people only to get killed by those very same nobles is surprisingly common.
I mean, they already have rights to the south, so the reverse might apply to us if we don't do it. I don't think it's likely in any case. Most people are fully committed if they are going to war at all.
It really feels like you are grasping at straws here.
Post by: TankKit on September 26, 2018, 04:49:58 am
Also, why do you think I'm grasping at straws?
Post by: mightymushroom on September 26, 2018, 09:09:19 am
Post by: TankKit on September 26, 2018, 09:22:42 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 26, 2018, 11:01:29 am
In fact, yeah, I'ma go for the Bill of Rightsshouldn’t we wait on till we have positive imperial authority before we enact a edict? The switch to absolute monarchy did take 2 points off our authority pool after all...
Post by: TankKit on September 26, 2018, 11:26:20 am
Post by: Haspen on September 27, 2018, 09:59:49 am
1212 AD, End of the Year
You await this moment. The Scrolls of Kingdom Status need to be read!
And read they will be!
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1, 4to6(1to3)
Happiness: 4
Population: 8
Economy: 6
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: -1
"Emperor, the Army failed to procured any recruits this year, but its numbers are still very high. Meanwhile, the workings of the Council and your Crown managed to fix the Imperial Authority somewhat."
"Would you like to issue an Edict, Emperor?"
A) "No."
B) "Gladly!"
You're also given an update on the map of the Empire, but because rebel activity and influence is not yet known, there's nothing really to see.
Post by: ZBridges on September 27, 2018, 10:02:16 am
Post by: Basil ii on September 27, 2018, 10:17:56 am
Post by: TankKit on September 27, 2018, 10:18:00 am
Post by: helmacon on September 27, 2018, 10:28:11 am
B
Post by: Haspen on September 27, 2018, 10:31:28 am
Glory to the Republic ;v
Post by: mightymushroom on September 27, 2018, 10:45:33 am
I believe it is prudent to see if anything is added or lost following the change in government; our new, more dictatorial style may not even permit a Bill of Rights. However we may have manor confiscation options, as we did fighting the Alldivines. Only Haspen knows, and I want to, too.
Post by: Weirdsound on September 27, 2018, 10:51:29 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 27, 2018, 10:57:30 am
Post by: Prophet on September 27, 2018, 12:20:12 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 27, 2018, 12:26:22 pm
B While I agree with not issuing an edict right now I also want to see if there is anything new in the list.
This is a good point. No reason not to look.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 27, 2018, 12:39:31 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 27, 2018, 03:20:09 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 28, 2018, 06:14:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 29, 2018, 01:50:26 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Implement the Vault System:
Introduce the 'Vaults' to the current Treasury system. Vaults are places where dwarves store money of their clients in exchange for stamped writs, which can be then taken to a Vault at a different dwarven domain and safely exchanged for cash in with only a small 'processing' tax handed to the dwarves. With a lot of wealthy clients, this could earn the Treasury a lot of money in the long run, especially if professional dwarven 'Vaulters' can be recruited.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
End of Year 1195 AD: Established Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
End of Year 1199 AD: Passed Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
End of Year 1211 AD: Modernized Siege Engineering Principles:
With proliferation of Fireblood as destructive military component, there's a need to modify and strengthen our forts to better protect against it - some are mentioning star-shapes and sloped walls - as well as develop measures to make bombardments more accurate to minimize damage to the valuable buildings, goods and potential subjects behind the enemy walls.
Post by: ZBridges on September 29, 2018, 02:24:21 am
Post by: Taricus on September 29, 2018, 02:31:35 am
Post by: Weirdsound on September 29, 2018, 02:33:37 am
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics
Let's not try to reform our military doctrine and put down a rebellion at the same time.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 29, 2018, 02:43:40 am
Nah lets wait until we have positive authority.
No Edict
The way Fireblood Skirmishers reads, it sounds like a replacement to Fireblood Infantry.
Post by: andrea on September 29, 2018, 02:46:37 am
We want peace before skirmishers, and semi decent authority before scaling tax and bill of rights.
Post by: Basil ii on September 29, 2018, 02:47:50 am
Post by: milo christiansen on September 29, 2018, 03:51:31 am
Bill of R-
Nah lets wait until we have positive authority.
Exactly. Let things settle a bit.
No Edict
Post by: TankKit on September 29, 2018, 04:39:35 am
Post by: helmacon on September 29, 2018, 05:48:01 am
Post by: mightymushroom on September 29, 2018, 08:25:31 am
Sounds as though people will voluntarily pay for the service, raising funds without raising taxes. (Like a trade deal where we don't have to put up any goods first?)
Edit:
No Edict
On second thought, I'm willing to wait a year for authority to climb first. Our treasury is not in immediate danger, even considering the dangers inherent in fighting a war on our own lands.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 29, 2018, 08:31:34 am
Post by: Prophet on September 29, 2018, 10:22:13 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 29, 2018, 11:11:41 am
Post by: Haspen on September 29, 2018, 11:59:34 am
1213 AD, Spring
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5*
Fighting against the rebels continues in the north; the Duchies rely mostly on mercenaries and hastily assembled forces, which are barely a match for your men.
Soon however, you receive news that people in southern Felonsein are rioting! It seems that instability and your absolute rulership does not sit well with your Felonsine subjects.
A) Send some Army regiments to quell the riots.
B) Let them voice their displeasure, it will do them good.
C) Truly to traditions of the dynasty, I will pacify them with a well-written letter!
Post by: TankKit on September 29, 2018, 12:04:55 pm
Let's not split our army up, that will just make rebellions harder to deal with. If this doesn't work, we can deal with it militarily once we've quelled the other rebellions.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 29, 2018, 12:07:02 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 29, 2018, 12:11:26 pm
Although, aren't there some army regiments in Felonsein already? That's our border province with Eldrican/Ankurvat isn't it?
*seeking map* . . . and next to Donuth, presumably one of the rebel hideouts?
Hardly splitting our army at all.
But I still prefer a letter in this moment of uncertainty.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 29, 2018, 12:12:45 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 29, 2018, 12:54:35 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 29, 2018, 01:30:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 29, 2018, 02:59:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on September 29, 2018, 03:24:32 pm
1213 AD, Mid-Spring
Your great-aunt, Eiri, has died peacefully in her sleep last night.
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Your letter does work! The people of Felonsein have been pacified with your personal message to them, and rioting has stopped; the masses returned home, except the few instigators that were of course charged and jailed. This is of course a temporary measure.
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Fighting against the rebels continues, albeit slowly. A confirmation arrives from the northlands; the rebels have taken control of land between Clochtoir to Donuth to the northernmost colonies, cutting your court from supply of iron ore and gold bullion.
You receive a reply from King Sigurd and Queen Ciri of Helliste; they've refused to send help because, as Sigurd has put it, 'you need to face the harsh reality - you've made a mess, you should clean it'. After consultations with Ciri, however, he has pledged to stop the rebels from escaping inevitable punishment; if any of them show up in Helliste or try to flee through its lands to other nations, they will be captured, and when possible, extradited back to Methiant-Cydwyl.
A) Family members ought to help each other, you bastard! I will remember this slight!!
B) Well, at least they're doing something, right?
C) I think one more letter will convince him to field his armies agaisnt the rebels.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 29, 2018, 03:26:36 pm
Post by: Taricus on September 29, 2018, 03:28:17 pm
Post by: Basil ii on September 29, 2018, 03:31:25 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on September 29, 2018, 03:35:14 pm
Post by: TankKit on September 29, 2018, 03:54:55 pm
At least he actually answered us properly and swiftly, unlike a CERTAIN KINGDOM TO OUR WEST.
You know, maybe I should make a list of all wrongs done to us and all debts not properly payed. Sure would make remembering and pursuing these things easier.
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 29, 2018, 04:00:09 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on September 29, 2018, 04:01:34 pm
Post by: Prophet on September 29, 2018, 11:32:41 pm
Post by: helmacon on September 30, 2018, 12:08:29 am
By the way, we never got the option to take the field on this one. We need to be putting that martial trait to use, ya know?
Post by: Imic on September 30, 2018, 07:47:57 am
At the rate this is going, that’s all we need.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on September 30, 2018, 05:24:10 pm
Post by: omada on October 02, 2018, 08:24:50 am
Post by: Haspen on October 07, 2018, 04:06:30 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 09, 2018, 09:59:03 pm
Post by: omada on October 09, 2018, 10:10:44 pm
Whats happening? the hub isnt updated.
Look at haspen's post at October 07, 2018, 04:10:48
4 or 5 posts before your post on spamhub
it's on hiatus
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2018, 02:55:37 pm
1213 AD, Late Spring
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The Army has been pushed back a bit during the last month of fighting, and few minor skimishes were lost. However, its the rebels who are still on the defensive, not Empire!
Unfortunately, vultures pop up one after another during this time of crisis, and this month sees the rise of another whelp!
It seems that a young lordling from Parsian aristocracy, Odish Padawan, has proclaimed himself 'King of Parsia'! Along with few dozen noblemen, and their mercenaries and angry Parsian peasants and Eleven's zealots, who are now besieging Methiant-Cydwyl garrisons in the east!
There's much debate about his strength, especially that first reports place his forces somewhere between five to eight thousand, maybe even ten thousand of able-bodied Parsians. However, your offices believe that only one fourth could possibly be mercenaries and paid soldiers, the rest must be peasant rabble with torches and pitchforks.
A) Can we negotiate? Would he be interested in becoming Prince of Parsia? He will get a nice golden hourglass as a gift, too!
B) We will deal with him after we deal with my own dumb nobility.
C) Time to send some of our forces eastwards once again! The Parsians really do like being target practice, don't they?
Post by: Rockeater on October 23, 2018, 03:00:00 pm
B
Post by: mightymushroom on October 23, 2018, 03:05:25 pm
Post by: TankKit on October 23, 2018, 03:05:59 pm
Let's not leave a job half-done.
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 23, 2018, 03:07:58 pm
Post by: milo christiansen on October 23, 2018, 03:10:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on October 23, 2018, 03:45:00 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 23, 2018, 04:08:24 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 23, 2018, 05:45:54 pm
1213 AD, Summer
In the east however, Odish Padawan rampages around, trying to capture strategic towns and keeps, with little success so far.
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Your Army scores a major victory against the noble rebels; Duchies of Donuth and Ionith are cracked open, with main cities surrounded and smaller garrisons surrendering one by one. During one particular battle, the flower of nobility was cut down; 35 nobles of various rank and position slain by your soldiers and generals, with another dozen captured.
Your wife, Mirinda, hides in her bedroom weeping, for news reach the capital that amongst those 35 killed were her younger brother and two cousins.
A) Such is life! I'm sure Mirinda will get used to it.
B) She's got a pretext for revenge now, let's preemptively throw her into the dungeon!
C) Let's buy her the prettiest mare and most elegant of dresses to soothe her broken heart.
D) She might be plotting something. My agents should keep an eye on all her activities.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 23, 2018, 05:50:31 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 23, 2018, 06:19:08 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on October 23, 2018, 06:57:07 pm
D
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 23, 2018, 07:29:15 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on October 23, 2018, 07:41:32 pm
No option to try and console her ourselves?
D
Yeah. Don't we have a CHA artifact? We should have the option to sort it out.
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 23, 2018, 07:42:21 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on October 23, 2018, 10:02:48 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on October 24, 2018, 12:03:17 am
C onsolation gifts and aheartfeltapology fordisemboweling the traitorous foolsnot giving more explicit orders for our soldiers to take care.
That's true, if we buy her gifts, we likely present them ourselves, thus getting our artifact bonus. C
Post by: helmacon on October 24, 2018, 12:06:27 am
Post by: Rockeater on October 24, 2018, 01:20:57 am
Post by: TankKit on October 24, 2018, 02:35:04 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 24, 2018, 08:27:37 am
Post by: Haspen on October 24, 2018, 08:54:18 am
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She accepts the gifts and even smiles in thanks, but decides to keep mourning for a while longer.
1213 AD, Midsummer
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The noblemen have retreated to the heavily fortified castles in the Duchy of Dahnia, whilst some made a run for Clochtoir, after your Army destroyed another big concentration of their forces, opening the way into northern territories. Gold mines north of Zonalath has been secured, and the gold bullion should arrive to the Treasury this year after all.
Meanwhile, Odish Padawan has taken control of Karasau! The big city fell into his hands not through fighting, but subtefuge; his supporters and Parsian citizens themselves seizing the gates of the city. The central keep, staffed by about a thousand Methiantese soldiers, is holding out currently, but the city will truly fall into Odish's hands if that citadel surrenders.
A) Fine then, let's split our forces a bit and deal with this Parsian rabble.
B) I'm sure that they can survive a month, cuz that's all we need to deal with northern nobles!
C) Let's negotiate with Odish, I'm sure he can be reasoned with.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 24, 2018, 09:20:56 am
Post by: melkor on October 24, 2018, 09:26:06 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 24, 2018, 09:26:55 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 24, 2018, 09:28:47 am
Post by: TankKit on October 24, 2018, 09:37:19 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 24, 2018, 09:47:22 am
Post by: Imic on October 24, 2018, 10:09:00 am
I have a feeling this game is about to get much, much harder.
Post by: TankKit on October 24, 2018, 10:44:01 am
AFixed, :D
I have a feeling this game is about to get much, much Funner.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 24, 2018, 01:59:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 25, 2018, 03:00:54 am
1213 AD, Late Summer
Once again, you've become a father! Your wife Mirinda has given birth to a little girl, whom she named Segeda, who was a Methiantese Queen hundred years ago.
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The northern front is slowly progressing; the smaller amount of soldiers the northern commanders have however did not stop them from winning few skirmishes and capturing few more garrisons.
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Unfortunately, the Army suffered a defeat three days west of Karasau; the rabble fought pretty well for rabble, and your commanders decided to retreat northwards and recover. The 'King of Parsia', Odish Padawan, has retreated with his 'army' to Karasau.
Speaking of Karasau, Spymaster's agents bring news; the citadel has fallen, and the Methiantese subjects in the city suffered a grave butchering; hundreds, if not thousand, of Imperial scholars, priests, merchants, officials and their families were thrown off the walls of the city or strangled to death, both customary methods of Elevens to get rid of traitors and blasphemers.
Just as the Marshal is asking for a council regarding the armed rebellions, a messenger from Duchy of Eval has arrived.
As it turns out, the Evalian noblemen decided neither to stand idle nor wait for your orders, and their army - mostly light cavalry - has crossed into Methiant-Cydwyl, and are rushing eastwards to deal with the 'Parsian' upstart.
The council gathers and the topics at hand are:
Evalian involvement...
A) I gave them no orders! Turn them back, and remind them wait for Emperor's request next time.
B) Finally a reasonable and loyal subject. I wish them glory and victory against the Parsians.
C) Parsians are a rablle, noblemen are a threat; Evalians should be redirected to Cydwyl.
And as it turns out, despite the continuing victories against the rebels, some of the commanders would feel safer if they had more troops under their command. They're asking that the peasants and others be mobilized into fighting for a year.
A) And to give the commoners another reason to get angry? Heck no!
B) We will have superior quality and quantity! Let's do this!
Post by: milo christiansen on October 25, 2018, 03:13:21 am
Post by: ZBridges on October 25, 2018, 03:23:33 am
Why haven't we received an option to personally take the field?
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 25, 2018, 11:20:06 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 25, 2018, 11:25:05 am
Post by: Weirdsound on October 25, 2018, 01:40:37 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 25, 2018, 02:11:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 26, 2018, 03:27:35 am
Why haven't we received an option to personally take the field?
Cuz getting Emperor to frontlines whilst there's nobles after him and a fake king risen in the east would paint a big red target on his back? ;v
You decide to welcome Evalian help, and not to mobilize the populace.
1213 AD, Next Day
Your dearest wife, Mirinda, has come down with a fever, and the palatial healers point it to being the one related to birth.
They will do everything to get her back on her feet, of course.
1213 AD, Three mornings afterwards
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Your wife joins you for the breakfast this morning, and you can see that she is healthy and well. Your doctors ought to be praised!
1213 AD, Autumn
First of all, trading reports:
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Glassware sold in Ysirene exceptionally well this year, bringing the Treasury great profits. Unfortunately, t'chai leaves didn't sell well, and with the smaller amount on the market, the trading failed to provide profits.
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The fighting against the noblemen continues; keeps surrender, noblemen are executed, villages are seized.
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The lack of victories on the eastern front however baffles everyone, from commanders and courtiers to yourself. The Eleven themselves must be helping out Odish Padawan, this the only reasoning.
"Sire, you have a guest. An elderly traveler, who claims to be a pilgrim, asks for a private audience with you." The guards interrupt you as you begin the evening meal with your wife.
"A pilgrim? From where? Of what faith?"
"He says he came from west, that's all. He says the audience would be very important to him."
A) "I have no time for secretive pilgrim traveler spies from neverlands in the west. Dismiss him!"
B) "Is that intrigue I smell? I will meet with this 'pilgrim' after I finish my meal."
Post by: Imic on October 26, 2018, 03:31:08 am
Find out what his deal is. You only live, like, seven or so times, after all.
Post by: Weirdsound on October 26, 2018, 03:35:15 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 26, 2018, 08:14:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on October 26, 2018, 08:20:37 am
B No, nevermind I read east the first time. West is okay (except of course the mad, jealous relative in the giant country of Eldrican).
Post by: TankKit on October 26, 2018, 08:57:41 am
Post by: Basil ii on October 26, 2018, 10:08:19 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 26, 2018, 10:14:21 am
Post by: omada on October 26, 2018, 08:44:26 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 26, 2018, 11:20:35 pm
Post by: Haspen on October 27, 2018, 02:46:12 am
After your Shadowranks greenlight the approaching man for possessing no weapons, you two meet in a small study.
The veiled man wears a long robe that covers all but his eyes. As he sits down, he pulls down the hood and unwraps his face veil, revealing burn scars, but that is more than enough for you to identify him, considering you saw him not that long ago.
"Uncle Hein?"
"Greetings, Emperor. I've come to warn you! Feir has decided that now Methiant-Cydwyl is weak, and your foolish rule is a clear sign that you've lost approval of both people and the gods. He is going to show you that Eldrican should be the true Empire in these parts."
"He's going to invade, then."
"Yes, but from what I know he has only begun the preparations. For the moment, he has more money than regular soldiers, so he has entered negotiations with dwarves and Damdamians to obtain mercenaries. I'm pretty sure he will also call Rucusians to help him with the fighting, but I'm not sure how much they will be willing. Still I believe you might have as little as a year to restore order in Methiant and prepare for the war."
"What you're doing is treason, uncle..."
"My child." He stands up, and takes your hands. "Ever since I abdicated and became ugly, everyone shunned me at the court of Eldrican, and then you came from abroad and one of the first things you did was to sit down with this old bag of bones for a talk. It made me understand... that I'm not Eldrican but Methiantese, and my loyalties should lie with Methiant, for good or worse." He might be praised for his courage and loyalty, but you're pretty sure Eldricans - and their future historians - will revile him.
What you're going to do with Uncle Hein?
A) What he speaks is true. He should stay with us and in meanwhile we will prepare for the incoming war.
B) I'm not sure if to trust him or not. I better send my agents to snoop around in Eldrican and elsewhere.
C) I will turn him over to Feir and tell Eldricans about Hein's treachery, surely this will mend our relationship and prevent the war.
D) He might've gone senile, nobody would dare attack us! Better find him a pleasant home for the elderly to stay in.
Post by: milo christiansen on October 27, 2018, 02:53:57 am
Post by: ZBridges on October 27, 2018, 02:54:03 am
Post by: Taricus on October 27, 2018, 03:04:51 am
Post by: Kashyyk on October 27, 2018, 03:25:47 am
If we can't, then B
Post by: birdy51 on October 27, 2018, 03:52:57 am
I am for trusting him.
Post by: TankKit on October 27, 2018, 03:56:42 am
Post by: melkor on October 27, 2018, 06:13:19 am
a
Post by: Imic on October 27, 2018, 06:54:57 am
That made me shed a tear.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 27, 2018, 08:47:23 am
I hope the preparations will include using our diplomatic and spy services to counteract Feir's efforts in foreign courts.
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 27, 2018, 09:57:22 am
Post by: Prophet on October 27, 2018, 10:13:27 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 27, 2018, 10:53:27 am
Post by: Haspen on October 27, 2018, 01:14:06 pm
Few days later, the war, or rather, pre-war, council gathers. Informed of suspected Eldrican backstabbing in near future, your commanders are worried.
"We need more men! And better budgeting, if we are to raise an army that can withstand combined Eldrican, dwarven and Damdamian forces."
A) "Fine then, we will issue emergency mobilization to keep the recruits flowing, but I think the Army is already spending enough money as it is!"
B) "Emergency mobilization and I will raise yearly Army budget too, we can afford all these things if we're to ensure Methiantese victory!"
C) "I can raise the Army budget even higher so you have more resources to work with, but emergency mobilization will only enrage the citizenry!"
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 27, 2018, 01:25:42 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 27, 2018, 01:27:52 pm
Post by: TankKit on October 27, 2018, 01:41:34 pm
And if they don't attack because of this, we need to strike as soon as we can to surprise them before they attack us.
Post by: mightymushroom on October 27, 2018, 02:20:41 pm
Happiness is 4 last we saw, and in my opinion the last thing we need is a third active rebellion while we ramp up for a slugfest with an Empire of similar size.
Hopefully if we war with Eldrican we'll be smart enough to cancel the t'chai deal and get that money back where it belongs.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 27, 2018, 02:33:19 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on October 27, 2018, 04:23:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on October 27, 2018, 05:16:58 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on October 27, 2018, 10:04:00 pm
Post by: helmacon on October 28, 2018, 12:14:59 am
Can we begin counter negotiations with the dwarves, or say, the elves?
Post by: melkor on October 28, 2018, 06:52:15 am
Post by: ZBridges on October 30, 2018, 04:49:29 pm
Post by: omada on November 01, 2018, 08:25:54 pm
Post by: Imic on November 03, 2018, 10:06:02 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 03, 2018, 03:40:09 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 04, 2018, 02:51:42 am
1213 AD, Mid-Autumn
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The rebelling noblemen, or rather, their army ,was beaten thoroughly at Empty Plains, and many of its ringleaders were captured and executed. Regents and retainers in the Duchies have surrendered and renounced their servitude to rebels, bringing Clochtoir, Ionith and Donuth back under direct control of the Throne.
The current Duke of Dahnia has retreated his forces back to his territory, but without outside support and your agents estimating his forces at 4-5 thousand (including militia, auxiliaries and the like), his fall is inevitable.
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What is more important is that the eastern forces reached delivered a crippling blow to the Parsian rebellion! After meeting with Odish in battle once more, they've killed him, and approximately 5 to 6 thousand Parsian militia and armed peasants joined him in the afterlife. The rebel leadership is in disarray, because whilst Priests of Eleven have already annointed Odish' teenage son as his heir and successor, the popular support for him is low and that shows; villages and garrisons are surrendering one by one.
You receive a humbled dignitary from Dahnia; the Duke of Dahnia is asking for general amnesty for himself and his family in exchange for laying down arms and re-pledging loyalty to you and your family.
A) I don't negotiate with rebels! Begone!
B) Fine, I feel generous today!
Post by: ZBridges on November 04, 2018, 02:58:22 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 04, 2018, 03:03:32 am
A
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 04, 2018, 04:09:59 am
Post by: Taricus on November 04, 2018, 05:38:04 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on November 04, 2018, 08:33:54 am
Post by: melkor on November 04, 2018, 09:58:44 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 04, 2018, 10:55:40 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 04, 2018, 12:21:50 pm
I want to spill his guts, but calming things down before our nasty cousin invades is more important. Perhaps we can punish the duke by putting him on the front lines of that war.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 04, 2018, 12:48:01 pm
What Weirdsound said.
Post by: helmacon on November 04, 2018, 02:32:28 pm
yea. We need his extra 5k milita.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 04, 2018, 03:22:41 pm
B
Wish we could demand hostages though.
Post by: Haspen on November 04, 2018, 04:24:44 pm
1213 AD, Late Autumn
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The fighting in the east culminated in re-taking of Karasau, a ghost city by the end of siege. The once populous metropolis has had about five thousand less-than-fanatical Parsians covering in fear. Those still fighting made their way toward Waterless Plains, and Evalians and your soldiers are pursuing to destroy them as well.
The Spymaster appears at your side few hours later.
"My liege, the agents are ready to go and fight in the shadows of Eldrican alleys, although our future enemy is vast. Should they concentrate on gathering information or hindering Eldricans in their preparations?"
A) "Accurate reports on troops movements are always better than a blown up munitions depot!"
B) "The less supplies and working equipment they have, the better!"
C) "Now? Now is too early. Ask me in a year, when we're sure that Eldricans are going to invade!"
Post by: Kashyyk on November 04, 2018, 04:27:51 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 04, 2018, 04:29:19 pm
Post by: Taricus on November 04, 2018, 04:36:02 pm
More importantly knowing the troop movements will let us pull an ardennes on the Eldricans as well.
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 04, 2018, 04:41:29 pm
Knowledge and whatnot.
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 04, 2018, 05:08:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 04, 2018, 05:10:12 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 04, 2018, 08:14:50 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 04, 2018, 09:11:22 pm
A. B might well give Eldrican a valid casus belli to call in allies. Besides, once the war has started we can then tart hitting supply depots and the like.
More importantly knowing the troop movements will let us pull an ardennes on the Eldricans as well.
Eldrican's former King is willing to testify that they were planning to invade us. The valid casus belli belongs to us methinks. Not only am I all for option B, but I'm not opposed to striking now before they are ready. Our troops are already mobilized.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 04, 2018, 11:27:18 pm
Post by: Taricus on November 05, 2018, 04:35:50 am
Eldrican's former King is willing to testify that they were planning to invade us. The valid casus belli belongs to us methinks. Not only am I all for option B, but I'm not opposed to striking now before they are ready. Our troops are already mobilized.
Yeah, but we can't exactly reveal our source. Moreover, while we do know that war is practically inevitable, how many allies Eldrican can bring in is possibly going to be determined by what we do here.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2018, 09:51:25 am
Eldrican's former King is willing to testify that they were planning to invade us. The valid casus belli belongs to us methinks. Not only am I all for option B, but I'm not opposed to striking now before they are ready. Our troops are already mobilized.
Yeah, but we can't exactly reveal our source. Moreover, while we do know that war is practically inevitable, how many allies Eldrican can bring in is possibly going to be determined by what we do here.
Why can't we reveal our source? He is living in our palace and protected by our Shadow Ranks. If we lose the war, and they find him in our palace, they will assume treason anyway and kill him. If we win the war, he will be safe.
Also, if we strike Rucus or Lamentia first, we could send other potential Eldrican allies a message to choose their side wisely.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 05, 2018, 10:10:34 am
Also, if we strike Rucus or Lamentia first, we could send other potential Eldrican allies a message to choose their side wisely.
If we strike Rucus or Lametania first we send a message that they better ally with our enemy empires because we can't be friends.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2018, 10:42:51 am
Also, if we strike Rucus or Lamentia first, we could send other potential Eldrican allies a message to choose their side wisely.
If we strike Rucus or Lametania first we send a message that they better ally with our enemy empires because we can't be friends.
That is possible.
It is also possible that the world knows Rucus and Lamentania are already in Eldrican's pocket and have a bad history with us, and thus they cannot be taken as a typical example of how we treat other nations.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 05, 2018, 01:13:27 pm
I really don't want to fight a war in the west and south at the same time. I want to argue for a diplomatic solution to Lametania & Rucus rather than an invasion that I think more likely to rile the Damdamian supernation than deliver border security. I was re-reading the party scene for hints that they are not close buddies with Eldrican and could be separated. The clues exist that Eldricans do not consider themselves part of the brotherhood despite their state religion; I suspect they may be allies of convenience more than loyal friends. (Could anybody really like Feir? He's such a nasty man that his own father chose us over him.)
Then I also noticed how Hein told us about the marriage pact and hinted there are further details unknown to him. Feir told us he was trading fireblood supplies to the south and closed down discussion of any other arrangement. And I thought, "What if they are parts of the same deal? And what if sabotaging the Eldrican supply apparatus interferes with that deal?" It's at least two leaps of speculation. But this is why I'm changing my vote: in the hope that it's just audacious enough to work.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2018, 03:11:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2018, 03:49:44 pm
bbbb
You send your agents to do gather information about Eldricans and their armies.
1213 AD, Winter
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Both Springwine and surplus t'chai have sold for considerable profits! These are nicely supplanted by gemstones, although due to civil war the gold bullion was stolen by rebels or otherwise lost.
The Spymaster wishes to meet with you just as the guards mention that scholars from Cartographers' Guild are asking for an audience, along with a some Pantheonist priests, and that there's also a delegation of Order of Father's Sword, some Damedian organization based in Rucus and Damedia, demanding an audience. Apparently, they are here to talk about your heathenry.
The first of the queue to met with you will be...
A) The cartographers.
B) The Spymaster.
C) The Damedian monks.
D) The Pantheonist priests.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 05, 2018, 03:55:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2018, 04:12:27 pm
We can guess everything else. A and C will inevitably want money. D will want us to convert. Who knows what the spymaster has for us?
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 05, 2018, 04:13:07 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 05, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 05, 2018, 05:00:26 pm
"Our agents sent their first reports. Eldricans are currently increasing Army budgeting and curbing down on spontaneous expenses and construction projects, sire. My agents have also found out that King Feir has begun a reform of the nomads' military structures; their horse troops are being regimented into numbered units and Fireblood weapons are replacing their usual bows and arrows."
"That's all?"
"It's been only a month, sire." The Spymaster tips his hat and vanishes into shadows. How does a man vanish into shadows during a very sunny day with clear skies is beyond your comprehension, but you reckon that's how Spymasters earn their titles...
Oh right! Who's next?
A) The Damedians.
B) The Pantheonists.
C) The Cartographers.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 05, 2018, 05:04:05 pm
We can't afford this. Lets get saying no out of the way.
Post by: ZBridges on November 05, 2018, 05:17:41 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 05, 2018, 05:24:00 pm
Post by: omada on November 05, 2018, 08:55:11 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 06, 2018, 12:02:01 am
If we can appease the Damn Dians maybe we can avoid them supporting our enemy.
Post by: Haspen on November 06, 2018, 12:59:09 am
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin!" The seven men bow their heads. "As you know, we've studied the continent in all directions possible, and whilst our friends who ventured northwest haven't returned yet, we have high hopes for them."
"However, we would also like to get funds and a royal letter that will allow us to venture west and south. We're considering an expedition by the mountains between Damdamians and Eldricans, and then into southwestern plains, and further west. Dwarves are said to have many fortresses there, along with their fabled capital, coated in layers of copper and brass."
A) "Sorry, we're currently too busy to fund another expedition."
B) "Oh, alright. Bring me the maps of the dwarven homelands!"
Post by: Kashyyk on November 06, 2018, 01:49:17 am
Post by: ZBridges on November 06, 2018, 02:10:20 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 06, 2018, 02:11:54 am
Post by: melkor on November 06, 2018, 06:33:40 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 06, 2018, 08:05:26 am
Post by: Weirdsound on November 06, 2018, 09:35:27 am
Money aside, it is not wise to send our boys through Eldrican while we are preparing to go to war with Eldrican.
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 06, 2018, 10:54:29 am
Post by: helmacon on November 06, 2018, 11:16:48 am
Come back after the war
Post by: Haspen on November 06, 2018, 02:36:09 pm
Only two audiences remain! Who's next?
A) The Damedians.
B) The Pantheonists.
...And as you consider your options, a guard arrives with information that a wealthy collector of items valuable, beautiful and magickal has arrived, willing to buy your trinkets.
C) The collector.
Post by: ZBridges on November 06, 2018, 02:40:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 06, 2018, 02:56:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 06, 2018, 03:01:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 06, 2018, 03:02:37 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 06, 2018, 03:50:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 07, 2018, 07:31:49 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 08, 2018, 01:38:27 am
Post by: omada on November 10, 2018, 12:48:12 pm
Post by: Donuts on November 10, 2018, 07:38:24 pm
A
Post by: omada on November 11, 2018, 02:12:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 15, 2018, 09:31:15 am
>is busy for few days extra
>decides its time to update
>is a tie
y u do dis
Post by: Rockeater on November 15, 2018, 10:10:46 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 15, 2018, 10:12:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 15, 2018, 10:44:09 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 15, 2018, 01:14:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 15, 2018, 03:19:19 pm
The Pantheonists welcome you cordially and go on a long tirade that this terrible mess of events is, in fact, due to your personal lack of devotion to the Gods and Goddesses of the Pantheon. They express the importance of prayers, communions, rituals and teachings, as well as the most obvious, which are...
"Donations, Emperor, donations!" The priest in charge of the group bows deeply. "The god of hearth is awaken, and goddess of children angry, and the god of homesteads distracted. All this causes strife upon the common folk. If you were to appease the Gods with Imperial coinage, I'm sure that they will look upon you, your dynasty, and your Empire, more generously, and that will in turn make your folk happy."
A) "Truly, divine help will bring stability back to the Empire. You can be assured I shall donate upon Pantheon altars in the coming days."
B) "I don't need churchmen or their patron deities to help me run my Empire! Now leave, I have more important business to attend to."
Post by: Criptfeind on November 15, 2018, 03:22:37 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 15, 2018, 03:23:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 15, 2018, 03:23:37 pm
Post by: Donuts on November 15, 2018, 03:24:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 15, 2018, 03:45:39 pm
The guards are asking whom to let in next?
A) The trinket collector, please.
B) Get those Damdamians in.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 15, 2018, 03:47:52 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 15, 2018, 03:50:20 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 15, 2018, 03:51:30 pm
Post by: omada on November 15, 2018, 04:00:49 pm
It's only a tie (right now) if you count omada's double vote both times.
I just noticed that my profile photo is gone, DAMN, I used that to know if I already replied
sorry for the double vote
B
Post by: mightymushroom on November 15, 2018, 04:34:29 pm
Post by: Donuts on November 15, 2018, 04:39:15 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 16, 2018, 01:58:36 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2018, 03:04:26 am
Post by: Haspen on November 17, 2018, 03:08:35 pm
The enter so aggressively and give you such stern stares that it could count as an unspoken declaration of war.
"Emperor of Methiant, Houlandin III! The continuing policy of your court and heathen cultists that back you up can no longer be ignored by the Archpriests of Damedia and faithful followers of Father Damed as a whole. Desist with your blasphemous ways at once!"
A) "No southern heathen will speak to me like that! I fear no Damdamians!"
B) "Why this hostility? I'm sure we can still be friends. Why, you want another temple? Freedom of worship, maybe?"
Post by: Rockeater on November 17, 2018, 03:38:42 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 17, 2018, 03:46:37 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 17, 2018, 04:51:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2018, 04:54:40 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 17, 2018, 05:06:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2018, 05:50:01 pm
B We need to deal with the shitty relatives before the heathens, cant have both breathing down our necks. The priests just got a bunch of temples or whatever they better be satisfied.
They have a formal alliance with said shitty relatives. I'm pretty sure unless we fucking convert, we are going to have to fight both, and even then there is no guarantee.
A. Best we get down to business now. Our army is pretty much already mobilized. We can try to rush and and smash their shit before Eldrican gets theirs together.
Post by: ZBridges on November 17, 2018, 06:39:18 pm
Post by: Taricus on November 17, 2018, 06:57:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2018, 06:59:08 pm
Our army is pretty much already mobilized. We can try to rush and and smash their shit before Eldrican gets theirs together.
I have no confidence in this plan to achieve anything but make all Damed-worshippers in the south upset with us when it's only Rucus that has a known relationship with Eldrican. There's no need to close down opportunities to save our army score before we see the price tag.
Taking another tack, we know from Uncle Hein that Feir is a dangerously unpopular ruler. If we're smashing anybody 'first', why not smash him? The northern nomads are barely integrated and still contesting their rights; the Eldrican branch of Damedism has developed independently over the years and resents his attempt to bring in southern priests. One good challenge against his power and the maybe whole country implodes. Plus he's the one supplying fireblood south, not the other way around. Stomp on that trade route and the southern armies are much less of a danger.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2018, 08:33:38 pm
Our army is pretty much already mobilized. We can try to rush and and smash their shit before Eldrican gets theirs together.
I have no confidence in this plan to achieve anything but make all Damed-worshippers in the south upset with us when it's only Rucus that has a known relationship with Eldrican. There's no need to close down opportunities to save our army score before we see the price tag.
Taking another tack, we know from Uncle Hein that Feir is a dangerously unpopular ruler. If we're smashing anybody 'first', why not smash him? The northern nomads are barely integrated and still contesting their rights; the Eldrican branch of Damedism has developed independently over the years and resents his attempt to bring in southern priests. One good challenge against his power and the maybe whole country implodes. Plus he's the one supplying fireblood south, not the other way around. Stomp on that trade route and the southern armies are much less of a danger.
You make a fair point. But I don't think giving them a temple or free worship will keep them from aiding their ally against us if we attack Eldrican. No point picking b and either wasting our money or pissing off our clergy on the hopeless cause of keeping them out of the war.
Post by: helmacon on November 17, 2018, 09:01:56 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2018, 09:24:46 pm
You make a fair point. But I don't think giving them a temple or free worship will keep them from aiding their ally against us if we attack Eldrican. No point picking b and either wasting our money or pissing off our clergy on the hopeless cause of keeping them out of the war.
I'm not sure I trust our guy to have correctly guessed their intention... which is why I'd rather hear them than assume it's impossible or ridiculous.
Post by: Weirdsound on November 17, 2018, 09:44:17 pm
You make a fair point. But I don't think giving them a temple or free worship will keep them from aiding their ally against us if we attack Eldrican. No point picking b and either wasting our money or pissing off our clergy on the hopeless cause of keeping them out of the war.
I'm not sure I trust our guy to have correctly guessed their intention... which is why I'd rather hear them than assume it's impossible or ridiculous.
They have a formal alliance with Eldrican. It is safe to assume that when war comes, they will back Eldrican.
Post by: mightymushroom on November 17, 2018, 09:57:00 pm
Truthfully, my best guess is that they'll demand straight out for Houlandin to convert. Which is frankly impossible both for dream-related reasons and for practical politics of not-yet mended internal strife. But I won't know unless I ask them what's up.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 18, 2018, 12:46:07 am
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2018, 01:35:24 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on November 21, 2018, 06:49:09 am
Post by: auzewasright on November 21, 2018, 07:08:42 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 22, 2018, 09:29:35 am
"All we ask you is to convert to the teachings of Damed," Says the eldest emissary, "And for future Emperors to also adhere to the faith of Damed, the one and only real and valid god there is." The courtiers angrily shout and yell obscenities at the emissaries.
A) *yell along*
B) Conversion tiem!
C) Uhh, how about something else?
Post by: Taricus on November 22, 2018, 09:30:46 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on November 22, 2018, 09:42:35 am
Post by: Criptfeind on November 22, 2018, 09:59:06 am
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2018, 10:00:44 am
Post by: mightymushroom on November 22, 2018, 10:23:58 am
Post by: TankKit on November 22, 2018, 10:48:05 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 22, 2018, 10:49:21 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 22, 2018, 03:14:04 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on November 22, 2018, 03:51:26 pm
Post by: ZBridges on November 22, 2018, 05:58:23 pm
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2018, 06:00:02 pm
Post by: helmacon on November 22, 2018, 09:04:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on November 23, 2018, 10:00:01 am
Ridiculous scum! We must show them that the True Emperor will not be cowed!
Post by: melkor on November 23, 2018, 10:03:20 am
Post by: auzewasright on November 23, 2018, 10:59:47 am
Post by: omada on November 23, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on November 30, 2018, 03:12:53 pm
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"You're unrepentant, Emperor of Methiant. This is waste of our time." The leading templar pulls out a large scrolls and opens to read from it.
"Be it known to all worshippers of Damed, the one and only true God, that the man, Emperor of Methiant-Cydwyl and those that come after him, are unrepentant heathens worthy of execution in the name of Damed! May no true Damedian son or daughter make into dealings with him, make no treaties with him, and do not allow his abominable faith to spread within the lands blessed by the holiest words of Damed. Be he forever cursed by Damed and those who follow him, and may those who stay true to Damed forever hunt and haunt and hurt him, until he and all those following him perish in the cleansing fires." The templar, amongst shouting and crying of your courtiers, rolls the scroll up.
"Emperor of Methiant, you and your subjects are now forever enemies of Damed, the Father, and those who follow him. No true Damedian will stand alive and allow your heathenry to continue. May you not live long enough to regret your stubborness one day!" The messengers turn around on their heels and parade themselves out of your throne room.
Congratulations! Empire of Methiant has been made a target of Damedian Crusade!
The guards next ask if you want to talk with the collector of artifacts.
A) I have a religious war to prepare to, dismiss him!
B) Sure, I think I might need extra funds very soon.
Post by: ZBridges on November 30, 2018, 03:42:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on November 30, 2018, 04:10:24 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on November 30, 2018, 04:27:45 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2018, 04:27:58 pm
B
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on November 30, 2018, 04:31:50 pm
So, why the heck didn't we boil the guys alive? I think we should have had the option to do that.
Post by: TankKit on November 30, 2018, 04:44:10 pm
Why did no one even try to capture the messengers? They already declared a never-ending crusade against us in our own courtroom, surrounding themselves with enemies, I see no reason for us to not capture the arrogant idiots. Even if they don't say anything the less Damedians the better.
Post by: omada on November 30, 2018, 08:06:12 pm
B just to see it's offers
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 01, 2018, 08:06:31 am
Post by: Haspen on December 05, 2018, 01:04:21 pm
The fat man in golden and silver threaded robes waltzes in with delight plastered on his face in most obvious of ways.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin! I'm greatly pleased that you've decided to grace my humble person with an audience! I'm collector and buyer of trinkets valuable and magical, for my own collections or on behalf of my anonymous and highly rich clients. As I've heard that the Empire would use some coinage, I would gladly buy one of the fabled artifacts your family has acquired through the generations! If I'm allowed to appraise your collection, I'm sure you will find my prices more than enticing!"
A) "I have no need for services of a vulture like you, shoo!"
B) "I'm only interested in selling..." (specify an artifact; only that artifact will be appraised and slated for potential selling)
C) "Fine, my servants will bring all the artifacts and you will tell how much you're willing to pay!"
Post by: crazyabe on December 05, 2018, 01:12:41 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 05, 2018, 01:26:25 pm
Right now, if the price is right, I'd be willing to part with
B: Sorceress Candlestick of (Anti-)Magic Weather.
(Tell him to come back after the year-end report when we're feeling more desperate. :P)
Post by: Kashyyk on December 05, 2018, 01:33:58 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 05, 2018, 04:16:53 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 05, 2018, 06:01:04 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 05, 2018, 08:18:26 pm
If only this person came before our last batch were stolen. ;.;
Post by: helmacon on December 06, 2018, 05:02:55 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 06, 2018, 05:22:02 pm
The merchant-collector appraises them thoroughfully, noting the craftsmanship and their magic, although you can easily notice that the material value counts for his monetary mathematics more than whatever magic they possess.
He then details his appraisals and tells his prices.
The Crown of Heavens, 3
The Bronze Flagbearer, 2
The Candlestick of Weather, 2
The Blade of Puncturing, 3
The Scepter of Weather, 3
Dwarven Necklace of Persuasion, 4
"I assure you, Your Majesty, that I'm a honest dealer and expert in trinkets and valuables. Therefore, is there any trading you wish to accomplish? I have to add that I'm willing to buy one artifact at most - a wise man never carries his entire fortune in his pockets."
A) "I'm going to sell... (input artifact name here)"
B) "But those prices, they hurt! Truly we can reach a better deal?"
C) "Those prices are stain on the good name of the Empire! Away with you!"
Post by: Kashyyk on December 06, 2018, 05:59:34 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 06, 2018, 06:17:11 pm
Post by: melkor on December 06, 2018, 06:17:47 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 07, 2018, 12:14:17 am
Post by: helmacon on December 07, 2018, 01:45:45 am
Put that necklace to work
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 07, 2018, 02:32:33 pm
Post by: omada on December 08, 2018, 04:59:41 pm
Post by: Arlos on December 08, 2018, 06:43:59 pm
Post by: omada on December 09, 2018, 04:49:49 am
Post by: Haspen on December 17, 2018, 10:40:14 am
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"I guess that for such marvelous artifacts and for such a grandiose persona, I might as well offer a little more."
(All Artifacts listed now sell for 1 economy extra)
A) "Not good enough, dammit, not good enough!"
B) "I'm will to part with (artifact(s) name(s) here please)"
Post by: omada on December 17, 2018, 10:45:19 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 17, 2018, 10:54:35 am
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on December 17, 2018, 11:21:44 am
No need to get greedy now, we got a pretty sweet deal
Edit: Shouldn't we get a bonus due to the neckless of persuasion?
Post by: mightymushroom on December 17, 2018, 11:32:14 am
(We were told dear cousin Feir is hiring dwarves, right? And dwarves still have the weather doombox the candlestick specifically protects against?)
Post by: Taricus on December 17, 2018, 11:35:16 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 17, 2018, 11:36:09 am
Post by: Haspen on December 17, 2018, 11:47:06 am
Edit: Shouldn't we get a bonus due to the neckless of persuasion?
While it was laid out on a table for the merchant to appraise? v;
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 17, 2018, 01:07:09 pm
Post by: melkor on December 17, 2018, 01:17:57 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 17, 2018, 05:21:37 pm
Post by: auzewasright on December 17, 2018, 09:04:34 pm
B. Sell the Candlestick of WeatherWhy sell it? It was hard enough to get it, and there is a reason our terrible weather is not terrible.
B, sell whatever is most useless.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 17, 2018, 09:57:18 pm
Candle stick
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2018, 07:42:52 am
Post by: omada on December 18, 2018, 03:07:04 pm
we aren't sure if they gonna blow our weather staff
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2018, 04:56:57 pm
The merchant thanks you for your time and leaves with a scowl.
1213 AD, Midwinter
Despite being called target of a crusade, no Damdamian polity seems to be attacking your borders or your merchants so far, nor has there been any violence from the Damedian worshippers living in Methiantese borderlands.
One extremely chilly and snowy winter evening, as you order the maids to bring extra fur to place on top of your bedsheets, the guards arrive.
"Sire, there's an extremely rude young woman who demands that you immediately see her. She looks like a pilgrim..." You furrow your brows.
"This late at the evening? I'm going to sleep."
"Yes, but the woman insisted she must meet with you."
"What's her name?"
"Uhhh... she didn't say."
"Where she's from, then?"
"Uhhh... she didn't say that either."
"Anything what she wanted to talk about?"
"Uhhh-" You wave the hand at the guards to silence them.
A) "I'm not going to rush and meet with every pilgrim girl who's late for an audience. Ask her to come tomorrow."
B) "Dismiss her, she's clearly some beggar. If she gets too annoying, you may arrest her."
C) "Fine then. Tell her that I will meet with her in the audience room."
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 19, 2018, 05:00:41 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 19, 2018, 05:01:05 pm
We are martial, and have Shadowranks. I'm not afraid of an assassination attempt, and she could be warning us of something important.
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2018, 05:11:28 pm
Where you get there, you find that it was inadequately heated; the floor is terribly cold and you can feel a draft from somewhere. You yell at the servants to bring fuel for the braziers and to close the doors.
The young woman enters the audience room through slightly open door, the guards staring at her attentively, their hands on their swords. At the edge of your eyesight, you can spot the dark-cloaked Shadowranks hiding in the shadows and behind pillars, ready to step into action.
The pilgrim girl steps forward toward your throne, and you can see that her hands are pure white, perhaps from cold, and that her leather shoes are in disrepair, her traveling robe threadbare in places.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin. I am sorry for this late hour, but there's an important matter to discuss."
"What would it be?"
"I come from a Pantheonist convent, far away, and our local oracle has determined that this recent chill and snowfall are heralds of dire times and even direr wintery creatures to come. Please, allow me to take some funds to fund a shrine for Isogdod, Goddess of Winter, in the mountains above our convent and donate lavishly upon Isogdod's new altar. Our oracle is sure that this will cause the weather to grow milder."
You decide to...
A) Regale you with tales about how exactly the oracle has predicted the coming of 'dire times', for you love a good story.
B) Dismiss her as you're not Pantheonists' personal piggy bank.
C) Agree and have the Treasurer dispense some money for the pilgrim girl (and give her thanks for the warning, too).
D) Ask her whether the Empire needs to placate Isogdod in the first place; Methiant has survived both terrible weather and terrible beasts, and nowadays, its even more able to do so. No gods needed!
Post by: Chevaleresse on December 19, 2018, 05:14:43 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2018, 05:17:47 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 19, 2018, 05:21:16 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2018, 05:30:51 pm
"The Oracle saw it in the dimness of the stars and strength of the wind, the patterns of fallen leaves and the rumblings of falling mountain rocks, that is all I can say." Your wrap yourself a bit tighter in the furs. Damn weather is getting colder nowadays, you have to agree, especially this late in the night.
A) "Lunatic ramblings do not interest me. Shoo!"
B) "Let me tell you why it is important to explain further..."
C) -
D) "Well, oracles have their ways I guess. Fine, you can take the money."
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2018, 05:36:51 pm
What would C have been?
Post by: taat on December 19, 2018, 05:42:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 19, 2018, 05:44:08 pm
C would probably be the wisdom trait option
Yes.
Also wao who dis OwO? Random
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 19, 2018, 05:48:00 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 19, 2018, 06:02:47 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 19, 2018, 06:24:28 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on December 19, 2018, 06:27:05 pm
Post by: auzewasright on December 19, 2018, 09:18:47 pm
Post by: omada on December 21, 2018, 11:16:02 pm
D)... make sure the pantheon remember us when we grab our weapons, and the church with their zealots
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 22, 2018, 10:54:06 am
Post by: Haspen on December 22, 2018, 04:02:49 pm
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Post by: Haspen on December 26, 2018, 03:49:29 pm
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"I am but a servant who has been tasked with a warning of impending disaster and means to repel it. I know that knowledge and caution is what drives your question, Emperor, but I cannot say more." You haven't felt the power of the necklace for quite some time, despite having pulled it on just in case as you were leaving the bedroom. That familiar 'tinge' of the magic is no longer present and the chain itself feels as if made of lead and stones, not silver and jewels. The metal itself feels cold, as if it was exposed to frost and chill of harshest winter.
Something's wrong here.
A) "I had enough of your useless babbling, strange girl. Guards!"
B) "I believe I've heard enough. I shall sponsor the Shrine of Isogdod."
Post by: Kashyyk on December 26, 2018, 03:56:22 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 26, 2018, 04:33:17 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 26, 2018, 05:19:10 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 26, 2018, 05:38:30 pm
Post by: omada on December 27, 2018, 09:41:18 pm
Post by: Haspen on December 28, 2018, 04:05:21 pm
You decide to sponsor the shrine of Isogdod.
After arrangements are done, next morning the pilgrim girl leaves with a wagon of treasures, asking guards to come with her to protect the wagon for only a certain distance.
Few days later, the Archpriest arrives. Having heard that you graciously sponsored a construction of a shrine, he wanted to personally thank you. It gets a bit weird once you tell him the details.
"But Emperor, Isogdod has no oracles within Methiant."
"No oracles?"
"No oracles, m'lord. They never had any!" Within few hours, scouts and agents are sent across Methiant-Cydwyl, to search for the scammer girl that took off with part of your Treasury.
1213 AD, Late Winter
Your great-uncle, Hein, who has left Eldrican for Methiant, has passed away in his sleep, having nearly reached the venerable age of sixty.
Winter in recent weeks have been very mild; snowfall was minimal and temperatures, for this time of year, were far from chilly.
A report has been compiled by your men sent to investigate the pilgrim that scammed you. No trace have been found of her, the wagon she took, nor the money she unlawfully taken from you. Nobody ever saw the pilgrim girl in anywhere but the capital and the palace itself, and it seems that she appeared, and disappeared, during the night.
There has been a shrine constructed in the Hurthlings' mountains, just beyond the Great Forest. A fresh building, but no one from the local settlements has admitted to having built it. It also seems that the shrine, near a somewhat well-traveled route, has also appeared 'overnight'.
Pantheonists are doing their own cursory investigation, although many of their mystics believe that you were, that particular Midwinter night, visited perhaps by apparition, an avatar of Isogdod, or perhaps even the goddess herself (who is oft depicted as a beautiful, but terrible, young woman), who judged you for your generosity - and, upon being satisfied, spared the Empire from harsh weather.
The Spymaster believes its just a big conspiracy, and will continue searching for actual truth, and not fairytale explanations.
1213 AD, End of the Year
It feels like its been longer than usual since the last time you've gotten Scrolls of Kingdom Status onto your desk.
But like always, the Advisor reassures you, its been exactly a year.
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Happiness: 4
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: -1
"Unfortunately, your Majesty, the authority of the Emperor isn't getting up, contrary to expectations. The Army, despite the losses against nobles, rebels, and noble rebels, have managed to regain its strength rather swiftly. The Treasury, despite scoring several losses on trading front and being cut off the gold bullion, is doing well."
"Is it a good time to issue an Edict, my liege?"
A) "Yep."
B) "Nah."
"Also, the cartographers have managed to update the map of the Empire after the recent rebellions have been quelled. It is available for your viewing pleasure, your Majesty."
Spoiler: The map of local lands, Methiant included of course (click to show/hide)
Post by: melkor on December 28, 2018, 04:15:18 pm
Post by: ZBridges on December 28, 2018, 04:54:03 pm
Post by: helmacon on December 28, 2018, 04:54:59 pm
Looking back at it, Haspen was practically throwing it in our face that the pilgrim girl was the frost goddess. :O
Post by: Haspen on December 28, 2018, 05:08:42 pm
Looking back at it, Haspen was practically throwing it in our face that the pilgrim girl was the frost goddess. :O
I was hoping you guys wouldn't fund the shrine and make her angry so that she wrecks your Empire, but oh well.
Sooner or later, you guys will slip in your vigilance. Remember, I'm always watching. UwU
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 28, 2018, 06:36:51 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 28, 2018, 07:11:22 pm
We are just coming out of a civil war, and expecting a great war. Lets not piss our people off by passing an edict.
Also, glad to see that rumors of The Damned defeating all the other human gods are not entirely true.
Post by: VoidSlayer on December 28, 2018, 07:15:10 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 29, 2018, 05:22:03 am
Post by: Haspen on December 29, 2018, 05:26:07 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Implement the Vault System:
Introduce the 'Vaults' to the current Treasury system. Vaults are places where dwarves store money of their clients in exchange for stamped writs, which can be then taken to a Vault at a different dwarven domain and safely exchanged for cash in with only a small 'processing' tax handed to the dwarves. With a lot of wealthy clients, this could earn the Treasury a lot of money in the long run, especially if professional dwarven 'Vaulters' can be recruited.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
End of Year 1195 AD: Established Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
End of Year 1199 AD: Passed Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
End of Year 1211 AD: Modernized Siege Engineering Principles:
With proliferation of Fireblood as destructive military component, there's a need to modify and strengthen our forts to better protect against it - some are mentioning star-shapes and sloped walls - as well as develop measures to make bombardments more accurate to minimize damage to the valuable buildings, goods and potential subjects behind the enemy walls.
Post by: Taricus on December 29, 2018, 05:29:40 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 29, 2018, 05:56:12 am
Heh. I would love that, but Scaling Tax sounds like a better idea right now.
Post by: ZBridges on December 29, 2018, 06:37:40 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on December 29, 2018, 11:08:25 am
Scaling Tax would be nice, but we're about to be invaded by Eldrican, I think it's a better idea to implement the Bill of Rights and use it for propaganda purposes.
Post by: helmacon on December 29, 2018, 11:10:56 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 29, 2018, 11:44:40 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 29, 2018, 12:09:24 pm
Post by: omada on December 29, 2018, 02:14:55 pm
Scaling tax to oppose the vault, and to punish the nobles
grmpf
Vault system
Post by: Criptfeind on December 29, 2018, 02:29:51 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on December 29, 2018, 02:47:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on December 29, 2018, 03:36:22 pm
Establish Scaling Tax IIRC we just beat the shit out of some rebels, so those that would revolt over this are already spent. And more money to pour into other edits is good too.
Those who would rebel and lack the resources to fight on their own might just lend men/spies/advice/other treacheries to the Damdamians. We really don't need discontent among our own people now.
Extablish Vault System.
Our Dwarfish necklace isn't working, and I think somewhere I remember hearing that Eldrican are involving the Dwarves in their plans to deal with us. We should suck up to the short folks. Damdamins don't like non-humans, so by all rights they should fight on our side.
Post by: omada on December 29, 2018, 03:58:12 pm
Establish Scaling Tax IIRC we just beat the shit out of some rebels, so those that would revolt over this are already spent. And more money to pour into other edits is good too.
Those who would rebel and lack the resources to fight on their own might just lend men/spies/advice/other treacheries to the Damdamians. We really don't need discontent among our own people now.
Extablish Vault System.
Our Dwarfish necklace isn't working, and I think somewhere I remember hearing that Eldrican are involving the Dwarves in their plans to deal with us. We should suck up to the short folks. Damdamins don't like non-humans, so by all rights they should fight on our side.
this...this... fuck.
you right
although I think that the necklace didn't worked because of the god presence
Post by: mightymushroom on December 29, 2018, 04:05:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 05, 2019, 04:28:28 pm
1214 AD, Spring
A lone diplomat from Eldrican has arrived to have an audience with you. Dressed in the usual pink of Eldricans, he bows his head in respect.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin. I come with a request from our noble King, Feor, that he hopes is easy for you to fulfill."
"What would that be?"
"King Feor asks that you return the body of late King Hein to Eldrican, so that our peoples can give him the burial he deserves. It is making the noblemen and commoners alike uncomfortable that the man, whom they've served and praised for many years, is now occupying a tomb in a distant land like yours."
A) "I was actually about to send the corpse of my venerable relative back to King Feor! I hope its return will be perceived as a gesture of goodwill between our two prosperous nations."
B) "If I can get something in return, I might part with my granduncle's body, for our side of the family has the same rights to inter his body in our family tombs just like Feor's family has."
C) "Hein was born to Methiantese parents, grew up in Methiant, and returned to Methiant in his ending years. His body will remain here, forever."
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 05, 2019, 04:46:10 pm
C
Post by: ZBridges on January 05, 2019, 04:52:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 05, 2019, 04:55:20 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 05, 2019, 04:57:36 pm
But also give his bastard successor legitimacy.
I would settle for a royal marriage alliance or something like that. Reaffirm the bonds of family if it means that much to them.
No cash.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 05, 2019, 07:50:08 pm
Should've thought about that before you replaced him with a jealous, paranoid madman and ran him out of town.
C
In Methiant, even if we sometimes act like jealous, paranoid madmen, at least we're loyal to family. That's why the family tomb is so big and full, right?
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 05, 2019, 10:31:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 05, 2019, 10:47:40 pm
I guarantee their commoners don't give a shit.
Post by: Haspen on January 06, 2019, 04:52:07 am
1214 AD, Summer
Your merchants have been expelled from Damdamian Republic!
The wine traders had their barrels stamped with 'heathen' markings and then emptied (few got smashed apart in an occassional fisticuff) but there were no casualties amongst merchants themselves. The Damdamians have told your merchants that they're heathens, no longer welcome in Damdamian markets.
As for the incident itself...
A) They've assaulted my merchants and destroyed my merchandise! That's pretext for war!!
B) To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't occur sooner.
As for the wine trading...
A) I will find them merchants a new place to trade wine at. Maybe Helliste? Or Gubta?
B) More delicious, sparkly wine for us! I'm sure we can profit from selling it around the Empire.
Post by: TankKit on January 06, 2019, 05:46:49 am
A
It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 06, 2019, 06:13:07 am
A
The little people get stepped on as the big ones dance, it was inevitable.
If only we had some kind of code of rights we could demand that they follow for our merchants.
Alas we have none.
Post by: TankKit on January 06, 2019, 07:07:42 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 06, 2019, 10:53:38 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 06, 2019, 11:38:20 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 06, 2019, 12:26:47 pm
If our army was at full power, I'd vote for war. But it isn't, so I wont.
Didn't we purchase access to a port in Helliste? We should try sending our wine to distant lands in exchange for exotic goods!
Post by: omada on January 06, 2019, 03:30:12 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 14, 2019, 12:06:33 pm
1214 AD, Autumn
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2to4, 1to2*
Glassware yielded only mediocre profits; t'chai leaves' trade continues to dissappoint.
1214 AD, Mid-Autumn
Diplomatic Corps bring interesting news; apparently, the High King of Albion, Mab III, is interested in closing the family ties with Yoean dynasty; he is offering the hand of his five years old daughter, Axa, as future wife of your son Luthas.
A) Bella gerant alii, tu felix Methiant nube!
B) Diplomatic Corps? What are those again?
Post by: Weirdsound on January 14, 2019, 01:20:00 pm
If we can ally with the North, we may have more allies when the Damdamians come knocking.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 14, 2019, 02:38:55 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 14, 2019, 03:48:31 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 14, 2019, 03:49:08 pm
Post by: birdy51 on January 14, 2019, 06:46:55 pm
A
Post by: auzewasright on January 14, 2019, 09:27:45 pm
Seriously, when did we get a Diplomatic Corps?
Post by: Weirdsound on January 14, 2019, 09:33:40 pm
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End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps
They don't seem to do much other than help us arrange the occasional marriage for our kids.
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 14, 2019, 11:41:40 pm
Yes A though.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 15, 2019, 10:33:27 am
Post by: Haspen on January 15, 2019, 04:03:53 pm
1213 AD, Late Autumn
Aina's breast is moving up and down slowly, her face is in pain and beads of sweat adorn her forehead.
The illness came up and seized your sister's body quickly, not further than yesterday's evening. The healers are confused, for while this looks akin to a swamp fever, the very one that preys on little children, it is however not that. The usual treatments are working, but only to keep her alive and amongst the living.
A) I need foreign alchemists, foreign herbs, and foreign medicines! No matter the price!
B) I must go with haste and pray to gods of health and curatives to restore Aina's health!
Post by: Weirdsound on January 15, 2019, 04:10:04 pm
We can't afford to be spending money on this now, and ICly Houlandin just had an encounter with the divine. It makes sense that he would trust the gods.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 15, 2019, 05:31:30 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 15, 2019, 05:50:49 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 15, 2019, 07:41:04 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 15, 2019, 09:03:45 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 16, 2019, 04:11:16 pm
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6
Miracle happens next morning! Your sister wakes up, the fever and other syndromes gone over the night.
Almost every of your courtiers thanks the Pantheon, who must've lend their collective ear to your prayers!
1214 AD, Winter
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1
Gemstones and gold arrive in the Treasury; t'chai leaves failed to bring any profits whatsoever in the east!
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1
The imperial Treasury has problems integrating the Vaults into the system, confounded both by some racial 'distaste' between dwarven Vaulters and Methiantese officials. These social unpleasantries will delay implementation of the Vault system by a whole year, at best.
1214 AD, Midwinter
Couriers from the north bring news; apparently, Sigurd of Helliste died of heart attack. The young Brynwald, his son (and your first cousin from Ciri's side) ascended the throne. He is a healthy lad of a posture of a bull, but, as rurmors go, he lacks any particular talent.
1214 AD, End of the Year
Like a storm in the summer, this year came and went. If only every year of your rule would be as quick and easy to get through!
The Advisor arrives and hands you the Scrolls of Kingdom Status. You examine them thoroughly.
You're pretty sure they've stitched another layer of vellum on top of the old one, and that mold is already chewing through at the corner. Eugh.
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1, 4to6(1to3)
Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 0!
Army: 8
Imp.Authority: -1
...Wait, the Treasury is empty? (https://youtu.be/TnkXMZk_4_4?t=30s)
You put the scrolls down and stare at the Advisor with disbelief.
"Can you explain to me where did all our money go to?"
"Investments, sire. The Army is taking a great bulk of money, and the iron mines providing cheap equipment only reduce maintenance by a certain amount. An amount equal to a half of what Army spends goes to Fireblood Court, and another such amount goes to pay wages of your hardworking, royal bureaucrats spread across our vast Empire. There's also yearly expenses on the festivities and the house of learning." You frown at this.
"And our income, again?"
"Gemstones and gold bullion are the only ones providing raw wealth to the Treasury. About the same, we gain from yearly taxation of population. But our Treasury depends mostly on profits from trading, which is finicky thing sometimes, like this year." You frown even harder, especially when you realize that this is not a problem of today, but of recent years. Once profitable trading routes and deals have petered out, and the closure of various mines during the Regency sure haven't helped. It might've passed by you unnoticed when the Treasury was keeping afloat, but now...
"Emperor," The Advisor speaks again, "Maybe a raise of taxes or cutting of our spending would be prudent?"
A) "Raise the taxes, I'm sure the peasants will understand."
B) "Cut the Army spending in a half, we're not at war anyway."
C) "No, these measures are not needed - not yet, at least."
D) "Higher taxes and some budget cuts is the way!"
"We could also try some more drastic measures..." The Advisor mentions few things you could consider.
A) "We will sell some of our artifacts for some quick cash."
B) "A loan from the dwarves sounds okay with me."
C) "Neither of these sound particularily good, sorry."
"The Authority of the throne is somewhat low, but maybe you want to issue an Edict?"
A) "Better not."
B) "Sure thing."
Post by: Weirdsound on January 16, 2019, 04:14:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 16, 2019, 04:16:31 pm
Speaking of the late Sigurd of Helliste, didn't we have a deal to rent out a port from him to trade with distant lands? How is that playing out?
Hardworking traders of Methiant are working hard to find a decent deal in the distant lands, so far
Post by: Weirdsound on January 16, 2019, 04:18:20 pm
A budget emergency seems like the ideal time to try and shove that progressive tax down the nobles throat.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 16, 2019, 04:36:26 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 16, 2019, 05:11:49 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 16, 2019, 06:11:40 pm
I'm assuming the second choice should have a C instead of two B's?
Post by: Haspen on January 17, 2019, 01:09:10 am
Fixed.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 17, 2019, 02:35:13 am
Post by: Taricus on January 17, 2019, 02:48:06 am
Post by: Haspen on January 17, 2019, 05:40:31 pm
:3c
Post by: Rockeater on January 17, 2019, 05:54:26 pm
DBA+1
Post by: Weirdsound on January 17, 2019, 06:07:32 pm
We cannot afford to cut the military budget with the Damdamians breathing down our throat. That is a recipe for trouble.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 17, 2019, 07:23:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 17, 2019, 07:31:18 pm
I wanted an edict. I should have done CBB. I'm too afraid to change now. Might hand DBA the win.
I guess CBA is fine. A loan from the dwarves may be expensive, but we have survived annual payments to them before, and a solid business relationship with them may discourage them from siding with Eldrican against us.
Post by: Taricus on January 17, 2019, 07:33:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 17, 2019, 07:41:37 pm
Shit, forgot about that. Changing to CBB
Fine. Lets try to change it. CBB it is. If you voted CBA by blindly following my fuck up, please change your vote as well.
If this dosn't work, and we let DBA win, I think we might be screwed tho.
Post by: Dopl on January 17, 2019, 07:46:22 pm
Post by: melkor on January 18, 2019, 03:20:55 am
Post by: auzewasright on January 18, 2019, 07:08:29 am
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2019, 11:10:46 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Establish Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
End of Year 1195 AD: Established Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
End of Year 1199 AD: Passed Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
End of Year 1211 AD: Modernized Siege Engineering Principles:
With proliferation of Fireblood as destructive military component, there's a need to modify and strengthen our forts to better protect against it - some are mentioning star-shapes and sloped walls - as well as develop measures to make bombardments more accurate to minimize damage to the valuable buildings, goods and potential subjects behind the enemy walls.
End of Year 1213 AD: Implemented the Vault System:
Introduce the 'Vaults' to the current Treasury system. Vaults are places where dwarves store money of their clients in exchange for stamped writs, which can be then taken to a Vault at a different dwarven domain and safely exchanged for cash in with only a small 'processing' tax handed to the dwarves. With a lot of wealthy clients, this could earn the Treasury a lot of money in the long run, especially if professional dwarven 'Vaulters' can be recruited.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2019, 11:29:46 am
Post by: helmacon on January 18, 2019, 11:36:29 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 18, 2019, 11:42:01 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 18, 2019, 11:51:01 am
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
Question: Are we still "profiting from the stored treasures"? If not, we may be able to rent/sell some real estate for cash too.
Establish Scaling Tax for now, I suppose.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 12:34:58 pm
By that logic, we should be able to get away with Scaling Tax here.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 18, 2019, 01:48:19 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 18, 2019, 04:23:36 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2019, 04:27:36 pm
1215 AD, Spring
The dwarves arrive eagerly to discuss loan plans with you. Meanwhile, a courier from Helliste has arrived, carrying a letter from Queen Mother Ciri, for your eyes only, it seems.
A) I wonder how's auntie Ciri doing? Let's read the letter first.
B) Dwarves are always short on time, let's not keep them waiting.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 18, 2019, 04:31:19 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 04:33:20 pm
On the off chance Ciri's issue needs money.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 18, 2019, 04:40:24 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 18, 2019, 04:44:20 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2019, 04:46:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 04:50:16 pm
A - On the off chance she's giving us money or something
Even if we find money elsewhere, we should still take and pay off a loan to the dwarves. We want strong relations with non-humans, because if we fight human surpreamist Damdamians, they might be allies.
Assuming the payment is 1 econ a year, I'm guessing we can easily balance the budget by revoking art patronage for the duration of the loan.
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2019, 05:09:21 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin. We're mighty pleased that each day we can do business with you and your peoples. We've heard of the problems your Treasury have and we already have two proposals, depending on how much money you want and need." They detail the values for small loan* and a big loan*, which makes your Treasurer grimace; these are harsh terms.
A) "A small loan will suffice."
B) "I need all the money you can provide at the moment."
C) "Those payment plans are terrible! Let's negotiate something else!"
D) "I've decided to forego the loans, sorry!"
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 05:16:27 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 18, 2019, 05:39:43 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 18, 2019, 05:41:20 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 18, 2019, 05:52:34 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 18, 2019, 06:08:50 pm
The dwarves leave, promising to have the money - and the contract - delivered by Mid-Spring.
The courier then is let in, and delivers the letter into your hands. You break the royal seal of Helliste and begin to silently read.
'To Emperor Houlandin III of Methiant-Cydwyl
Dear Houlandin, I am greatly disturbed by Sigurd's death, and I have reasons to suspect that the deadly heart attack he has suffered wasn't accidental. As I remember, the Spymaster and agents at your court have the fabled cloaks of moonthread still at their disposal. I ask you that you send some of your agents to help and collaborate with mine, to ascertain whether it was an early call of the God of Death or vile poison that took my husband away.
Your aunt,
Ciri'
You decide to...
A) Ignore your aunt's plea, you ain't take sides in familial backstabbings!
B) Ignore your aunt's plea... and have this letter 'accidentally' forwarded to the young Brynwald!
C) Send your agents and the cloaks she has requested. Truth must be exposed!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 18, 2019, 06:12:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 06:21:53 pm
We should side with whoever is already in power. We need the backing of Helliste, and cannot risk pissing off whoever is in charge.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 18, 2019, 06:30:30 pm
C
I suspect the issue here is less whether Brynwald killed his father and more whether 'someone' thought he would be more tractable.
The danger is that Aunt Ciri is looking for confirmation of what may be her own imaginings and will take any measure to find it.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 18, 2019, 06:42:31 pm
Brynwald was born 1198 so he should be ruling on his own (at least nominally).
C
I suspect the issue here is less whether Brynwald killed his father and more whether 'someone' thought he would be more tractable.
The danger is that Aunt Ciri is looking for confirmation of what may be her own imaginings and will take any measure to find it.
Fair enough. But if somebody is pulling the strings, and we find proof, the queen's next request will likely be troops to help purge whatever treacherous nobles are behind the scheme. We cannot afford to send troops at this time.
C is likely a better option than just ignoring this mess though. I don't know. I'm going out to a social event. Hopefully I'll know how to vote by the time I get back.
Post by: helmacon on January 18, 2019, 08:50:42 pm
If we go C and we succeed and then what? We take actions against his reign and create another enemy in the north, or we have to ignore it now that we no longer have plausible deniability.
And there is the chance we don't succeed, lose our agents and moon cloaks, and make another enemy in the north anyways.
Lets just ignore it now. It really doesn't concern us one way or another. Best leave well enough alone.
A
Post by: ZBridges on January 18, 2019, 09:39:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 19, 2019, 01:41:30 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 19, 2019, 02:25:44 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 20, 2019, 04:17:41 pm
1215 AD, Mid-Spring
The dwarves arrive with the money, the amount exactly what you agreed to. Two identical contracts are signed by both you and the dwarven representative, who then takes one of them with him, and leaves the other with you.
1215 AD, Summer
You dear wife gives birth to a healthy baby boy! She names him 'Yoe', after the founding father of the dynasty, and quite possibly setting up a headache for the historians of the future.
Unfortunately, even with Diplomatic Corps at work, no one seems to be interested in Springwine from Tiftit!
You decide to...
A) Sell it to peoples of Methiant.
B) Try harder with the searching.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 20, 2019, 04:27:09 pm
Unless we roll poor on all our other trade like last year, the loan buys us at least a year to keep looking. I don't feel too strongly about this though. Selling it to the people of Methiant-Cydwyl might yield less money, but the happiness could be nice.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 20, 2019, 05:16:18 pm
Post by: ZBridges on January 20, 2019, 05:41:45 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 20, 2019, 06:47:58 pm
Y'know, rich people, we raised your taxes, but let us remind you why this is such a great country.
Post by: helmacon on January 20, 2019, 07:01:49 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 20, 2019, 10:52:38 pm
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Post by: melkor on January 21, 2019, 04:07:16 am
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2019, 10:51:17 am
1215 AD, Midsummer
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It seems that in these hot summer days, quenching people's thirst with Springwine compelled them to praise you for your benevolence; the mood of the populace rose, and of course the Treasury reports profits from the trade.
1215 AD, Late Summer
You receive a letter of thanks from your aunt, Ciri of Helliste; turns out, there was no foul play in Sigurd's death, and the aunt made peace with young Brynwald after her fears were proven incorrect.
The Spymaster meets with you a week later, reporting that the operation was concluded and his agents - and the cloaks - returned home.
1215 AD, Autumn
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Springwine and Glasswares sold for similar amounts, says the Treasurer, but finally the t'chai leaves bounced away from the bad spell of meager profits.
A delegation of Pantheonist high clergy has arrived for an audience with you during a windy, rainy, and definitely not-great-on-the-mood day.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin! With great joy we came to you to announce that the omens in the sky, in the light of stars and in the patterns of earth and rivers all point to one conclsuion: this is the Year of the White Stag! Therefore, we wish to ask the Emperor of Methiant-Cydwyl to sponsor, or even better, partake in the most sacred of hunts, and try and seize the White Stag, along with blessings and prosperity for the Empire in the coming years!"
A) "Sorry, I'm gonna be busy the whole autumn!"
B) "Just let me find my hunting bow and arrows!"
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2019, 10:53:09 am
Post by: Imic on January 21, 2019, 11:22:23 am
Abstain.
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2019, 11:23:34 am
This? again?
Abstain.
What you mean again, its been 57 years :V (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7721552#msg7721552)
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2019, 11:25:48 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 21, 2019, 11:29:44 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 21, 2019, 11:33:09 am
Post by: Imic on January 21, 2019, 12:03:35 pm
A little thing like reality isn’t going to stop my constant delusions.This? again?
Abstain.
What you mean again, its been 57 years :V (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7721552#msg7721552)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2019, 12:42:29 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 21, 2019, 12:52:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2019, 12:54:12 pm
The hunt begins at the very early morning, when the greyness still occupies the skies and the first sunlight is merely a tint on the distant horizon. Few of smaller game are captured early.
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Then one of the squires at the rear gasps audibly and nearly squees, frantically pointing at a nearby hill.
"T-T-The Stag!" The freckled youth sputters out, and all the eyes turn in the direction he is pointing. Indeed - the fabled White Stag stands upon the peak of the mound! It's majestic white form is still, its red eyes gazing upon you and your entourage. The Priests are visibly excited, for the Stag has not been seen for over a hundred years.
A) This is it! My chance at glory! I will be the one to hunt it down!
B) Only the bestest of my hunters will have the priviledge of chasing it!
//I like to point out that the last time you guys caught the White Stag was all the way in SPAMKINGDOM, in year 825
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2019, 01:08:19 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 21, 2019, 01:09:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 21, 2019, 01:12:54 pm
it's a good day to die from a horse probably
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2019, 01:17:28 pm
Post by: Imic on January 21, 2019, 01:18:37 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2019, 01:28:53 pm
You tell the others that as the Emperor, you must be the one to hunt down the Stag!
So you give the chase with your horse, and the White Stag promptly runs into the woods. The chase moves rapidly between ever-thickening wall upon wall of trees.
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It finally stops at the edge of a cliff overseeing a fast, stony stream below. You pull out an arrow and pull on the bowstring, as the Stag faces you...
"You, who commands the metal that burns. Halt."
Did the Stag just speak? Inside your head??
"I am Kiardane, spirit of the northern forest, and a guest in the body of this noble stag. Due to the workings of the spirit world, killing the stag would mean killing me. If you spare my host, I shall bestow upon you one of your choosing; knowledge, or power."
A) "Ain't got time for this spiritual babble." *twang*
B) "Alright, okay, this is a fine deal."
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2019, 01:39:11 pm
Killing the stag means prosperity, which we need, but I don't think that is worth killing the spirit of the Northern Woods over.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 21, 2019, 01:49:02 pm
Post by: Rockeater on January 21, 2019, 01:54:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 21, 2019, 01:59:26 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2019, 02:00:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2019, 02:48:53 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 21, 2019, 03:33:55 pm
"Your generosity and mercy will be rewarded as promised. Tell me, o human, what it is that you desire. Power? Or knowledge?"
A) "Power!"
B) "Knowledge!"
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 21, 2019, 03:40:25 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 21, 2019, 03:56:20 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 21, 2019, 04:24:31 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 21, 2019, 04:45:54 pm
Honestly, it's just the edge we need to win a massive war that is no doubt coming.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 21, 2019, 04:48:47 pm
Post by: Imic on January 21, 2019, 04:53:18 pm
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 21, 2019, 04:59:31 pm
But knowledge is power
Post by: ZBridges on January 21, 2019, 05:00:10 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 21, 2019, 05:12:54 pm
Post by: Taricus on January 21, 2019, 06:18:49 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 22, 2019, 12:18:46 am
Wait, now I am not sure what to vote on now.
If we had more knowledge we could figure out the right choice!
B
Post by: melkor on January 22, 2019, 02:14:32 am
knowlegde is ppwer sp we get both.
also we should gaurd it wel
Post by: birdy51 on January 22, 2019, 06:03:08 am
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Post by: omada on January 24, 2019, 12:11:36 pm
knowledge is certainly straight forward, for sure we will gain wise, it is usefull, will it be usefull right now? create new edicts? get a better big picture of what is happening and make a joint coalization against monoteists from the south?
A is a bit more attractive just for the unknown possibilities this represent, but it also be a trap, to test us
Post by: mightymushroom on January 24, 2019, 12:25:11 pm
. . . we are martial, we will get, more martial?Double martial? that would be a pleasure to see in battle, it would give us a title on the first battle/duel. Authority? An aura of fear? An army of beasts? laser eyes? or we will get a bit disapointed and get healthy? (although a martial and healthy leader in battle is nice)
knowledge is certainly straight forward, for sure we will gain wise, it is usefull, will it be usefull right now? create new edicts? get a better big picture of what is happening and make a joint coalization against monoteists from the south?
Just pointing out, I went and read the previous success with the White Stag for reference, and those players chose Knowledge. They received a prophecy about a threat six years in the future, not a new trait or similar. I'm voting for Power but I'm not expecting something huge either way.
Post by: omada on January 24, 2019, 12:53:22 pm
Just pointing out, I went and read the previous success with the White Stag for reference, and those players chose Knowledge. They received a prophecy about a threat six years in the future, not a new trait or similar. I'm voting for Power but I'm not expecting something huge either way.
really? I doubt it would do much help right now
A power is power, let's see what it can give us
Post by: Haspen on January 24, 2019, 04:01:39 pm
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You decide to ask for Power!
"So be it." You feel a concentrated bout of pain, and you clutch your head in your hands, kneeling. The pain makes you short of breath and you feel your breakfast attempting to escape from your stomach.
But the pain is soon gone, just as the White Stag. In the place of it all, a sudden enlightenment and understanding of the world appears, as if someone took off blindfold from your eyes and a gag from your mouth.
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Congratulations! Houlandin III has been Gifted! (+Charismatic, +Wise)
You return to your entourage, mentioning that the White Stag has managed to escape you. The courtiers sigh but accept the loss, for the White Stag is always elusive. The priests however speak highly of the sightining and the chase, for it will surely mean good luck for the Empire in coming years.
Few notice that you have, indeed, changed.
1215 AD, Mid-Autumn
The cartographers sent north years ago have returned, bringing with them the knowledge of not one land, but two!
First, they speak of Dvar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dwOzOGwl-8), a land of lakes, snow and brave men and even bravest women. They sail long boats that have heads shaped to resemble scaled fishheads. According to Albion sailmen, they were once the greater warriors and navigators than Albions, and indeed, they taught the Albion people how to fight, sail, pillage and plunder.
Since their line of kings died and the society turned more to chieftain lords that control no more than few villages at best, the Dvar have lost their ways of pillagery and warfare, instead becoming settled peoples that hunt fish and whales and wear the delicate skins of seals and reindeer they hunt. The communities are small, and live in wooden cottages or fur-covered huts.
They were friendly toward the cartographers, but had little to offer the travelers, and much less to offer peoples of the south in general. Curiously, they speak in manner similar to Albionese, yet have a religion not unlike Pantheon. Whether their religion comes from similar roots, or, mayhaps, was basis for the Pantheonist mythology, the cartographers cannot say.
They've spent quite a while navigating the lands of Dvar; tiny islands are counted in thousands, the local coasts are torn and ragged. A whole year they were traveling between villages and hamlets alone, mapping the shores and inlets and seas. Finally however, with help of Dvar and then Albion sailors, they've made their way back to east and south, making a courtesy visit to local Albion ports. After few weeks resupplying and resting from visit in Dvar lands, your intrepid cartographers then sailed along the coast, to the far west. The further they went, the smaller and poorer Albion coastal villages became.
Finally, well into second year of their journey, they've reached the fabled, distant, and reclusive half-elves of Sylevessef (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jNuJXoKFvI), proving indeed that not only elf-human hybrids can live, they can live aplenty and in prosperity. The half-elven cities are made entirely of stone, a greyish one, probably granite. Their architecture is 'raw', with little detail, sculptures few and paintings unknown to them. They sure love towers and spires, for even small homes and buildings have one or two. The tightly packed houses and inns and shops are arranged in circular or half-circular districts, with a vast, empty plaza in the middle, made of flattened dirt and clay (they do not use stone for roads).
These areas serve as marketplaces, the plethora of merchants and peddlers selling their wares - fruits (apples and plums being most common), fish and fish products ("spicy fish sauce! lightly fried fish fillets! elaborate fish salads! Sire, they make every food possible out of their fish!"), as well as furs, skins, cloth and crafts, iron utensils, armor and even decorations, as well as, baffling your cartographers, 'iron thread', that is spun into thicker ropes and then made into coats for soldiers and harnesses for war horses (a sign of priviledged birth and/or wealth of the rider). Horses, it seems, are one of very few domesticated animals the Sylevessef half-elves have; seals and sea birds are kept as pets sometimes, and livestock is comprised mostly of sheep and goats. The half-elves apparently never heard of dogs and cats, pig, cows or even chickens and hens.
They've met with represenstatives of their Council, which has a member in each half-elven city, often working as city mayors or aides to such. The Council is responsible before the High King and his family, but while King if leader of military matters, the Council rules and runs the administration. The cartographers failed to meet with highest-ranking officials, and half-elven nobility - mostly descendants of the first, or the second (and current), ruling dynasty - were few, and none living in coastal towns the cartographers visited.
With great zealotry they worship The Twins, said to be the first 'half-elven' children who were exiled from Tisilenteliya. The male twin, Suumin, is embodiment of virtues, arts, agriculture, and the moon, while the female twin, Tussa, represents war and death, family and life, and the sun. Non-bielievers and foreigners are forbidden from stepping inside the Twins' houses of worship. From what your men learned though, the temples are also raw and simple in design; the large areas inside are used for group worship, where half-elves 'kiss the sky', and then chant praise or ask for favors from the divine Twins. The Twins' apparently gained god-hood after consuming half of 'The Golden Apple' each, but because Suumin was asleep when Tussa ate her half, he woke up when she was already hidden behind the horizon, and since then, the Twins have been chasing each other on the sky.
The half-elves take greater interest of the sky and motion of stars in general; not only to predict coming of years and passing of seasons, they also trace stars during one's birth to determine their 'guardian star', as well as to divine futures and fortunes of their brethrens. Some do it even on daily basis, starting their working days with reading of the stellar arrangements.
It seems that while elves of Tisilenteliya supply the 'elven' part of mixed parentage, the 'human' part comes from Albionese and, to lesser degree, Dvar and Prawlantese. Half-elves of Sylevessef have different names for 'halves, quarterlings and lesser' mixtures of blood; genealogy and history is common interest of many half-elves, who often pride themselves on having a 'pure' descendant (elf or human foreigner). But no caste or societal level of theirs is based on bloodlines, and Sylevessef half-elves do not belittle their brethren for having a certain degree of parentage in their veins. The easiest way to spot someone with more elf blood than human is by looking at the ears - while all half-elves have a certain degree of pointiness to them, those who had a full-elven parent have the sharpest, and often, the longest, ears.
Half-elves of Sylevessef were greatly interested in Methiant and southlands in general, for while they build ships and sometimes travel along the coast, they have little interest in the seas besides seeing it as a supply of their all-time favorite fishies. They exchanged some items with your cartographers, the various little trinkets made of gold and silver being most coveted things; in return, they gave your scholars some of their clothes and rock crafts, for even their jewellery is stone. They also make exquisite dyes of purple, black and gold colors, apparently coming from snails, insects and larvae native to Sylevessef meadows and forests.
In terms of politics, they constantly war with Tisilenteliya Elves, their corrupt, prideful and highly xenophobic royal family, and with open arms they welcome rebels, dissidents and criminals of the woods, replenishing own elven blood with their help. Unfortunately, siring a half-elf with inhabitant of Sylevessef is a legal reason to obtain both citizenship and a requirement to abandon one's old home, and that's why the cartographers' group has returned in a bit smaller numbers compared to when it was leaving Methiant-Cydwyl
After spending a year in Sylevessef, stuffing themselves with fish dishes and fruit wines, your cartographers decided to go further west and south, but because Albion and Dvar sailors were wishing to return home, and Sylevessef mariners were unwilling to work for foreigners, the expedition had to be called off before the sea connection to lands of Prawlantese and Ivonians was empirically confirmed (the half-elves did mention it exists, though).
The court and the scholars gathered in the audience room loudly exchange thoughts and suspicions about the distant Sylevessef (and to much lesser degree, about the wild Dvar). The head scholar bows his head before you, and soon silence falls upon the hall.
"Most blessed Emperor. We wish to return to the House of Learning, to help bring the knowledge of the distant lands upon the maps of the Empire. Still, we want to ask for favor and monetary support for another expedition to the northwest, to bring more knowledge about Sylevessef, as well as actually try and visit Prawlant and Ivonia by the sea."
A) "Favor you can always have, but money is in short supply. There will be no expeditions for a while, I'm afraid."
B) "I will sponsor the expedition right away. Sail far and wide, my brave explorers!"
C) "Actually, back in the day, your colleagues mentioned visiting lands to west and south. I would like to get some information about these lands instead."
Spoiler: Coat of Arms of the Nation of Sylevessef (click to show/hide)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2019, 04:08:10 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 24, 2019, 04:11:55 pm
Post by: Imic on January 24, 2019, 04:15:52 pm
We should be careful with our spending, but this sounds like it could lead to trade and diplomacy deals in the long run. B+1
Post by: Prophet on January 24, 2019, 04:39:18 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 24, 2019, 04:53:00 pm
Post by: omada on January 24, 2019, 05:09:38 pm
instead, send the diplomatic corps there and try to sell our trinkets using albion as proxy I dunno
Post by: ZBridges on January 24, 2019, 05:15:17 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2019, 05:17:21 pm
A we could always fund them later, we just have to pay a loan
instead, send the diplomatic corps there and try to sell our trinkets using albion as proxy I dunno
I'm thinking we pay the loan by revoking the arts patronage edict for a few years. Between our new tax, and whatever benefits the stag hunt gave the luck of our nation, I'm confident we can turn this around without much difficulty. If we launch this voyage, we have two avenues to find a new trade deal: Our attempt to contact the half elves, and the port we are renting from Helliste in search of foreign trade. If either of those yield trade routes, we will be golden.
We should be careful with our spending, but this sounds like it could lead to trade and diplomacy deals in the long run. B+1
I don't think Haspen accepts +1's for votes. You may want to change that. Especially now that the vote is close.
Post by: Imic on January 24, 2019, 05:21:54 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 24, 2019, 05:40:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 24, 2019, 06:00:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 24, 2019, 07:16:56 pm
Post by: omada on January 24, 2019, 07:21:56 pm
whatever benefits the stag hunt gave the luck of our nation,
We had chosen to interrupt the hunt in trade for power, we gained charismatic and wise
god damn, I am just thinking, WHY the hell didn't we asked the dwarves or a sorcerer to do a tome or throne that gives the wise trait to whoever is using it
Post by: Weirdsound on January 24, 2019, 07:23:08 pm
whatever benefits the stag hunt gave the luck of our nation,
We had chosen to interrupt the hunt in trade for power, we gained charismatic and wise
god damn, I am just thinking, WHY the hell didn't we asked the dwarves or a sorcerer to do a tome or throne that gives the wise trait to whoever is using it
If you read the last post carefully, the Priest still says just seeing and chasing the Stag = good luck.
Post by: omada on January 24, 2019, 07:47:06 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 25, 2019, 04:09:48 am
To that, what is the plan to cut costs an add revenue?
Post by: Haspen on January 27, 2019, 05:14:22 am
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You congratulate them on their successes, but tell that the Crown is unable to sponsor another expedition. The cartographers are understanding, yet a little sad.
They promise to update the royal map before end of the year.
1215 AD, Winter
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T'chai leaves sold for very big profits this year! Your Treasurer celebrates a bit.
Profits from trading are further boosted by timely arrival of gold and gemstones from the Methiantese mines.
A diplomatic entourage arrives from the Sim Empire, and not a small one either - it is Mahjar Tum Brah, Mahjar Sim's son and heir! Along with plethora of servants and guards.
Prince Tum Brah makes an entrance into the capital city, riding a large war cat, one that is orange and gold and covered in black stripes. Plates of polished armor, decorated with gemstones and pearls, adorn the big feline. The Simian Prince himself is decked in a white coat, adorned with gemstones as well. People gawk at the splendor of Simian wealth and fashion; Tum Brah's entourage is similarily, if a bit more plainly, decorated.
He enters your audience hall and does not bow before you (unlike his servants). His copper skin and pointy, black beard bears a resemblance to Parsian fashion.
Prince Tum Brah opens his arms and smiles.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin III, son of Yoe IV, leader of Methiant-Cydwyl, magnaminous and prosperous lord and friend of Sim Empire. I've come here to ask, in the name of my great father, for a little favor."
"What would that be?"
"My father's menagerie of animals used in the army includes war cats, oliphaunts and giant lizards, but what the army needs at the moment is horses. Thousands upon thousands are required. Out of all neighbours, there's only one we can trust and are willing to ask to provide us with them. Would you agree to sell us some of Methiantese and Cydwyllian mares and stallions for next few years? My father's plans depend on your cooperation."
"Can we know what these plans are?" Prince Tum Brah grins.
"They would do nothing to endanger Methiant-Cydwyl's borders and integrity. That is all my father allowed me to say." The Marshal and the Spymaster look at each other, but its the former that approaches you.
"Sire," he whispers, the plume on his helmet bouncing funnily, "Cydwyllian plains supply plethora of horses, but I'm not sure it's still enough to supply both Simian and Methiantese armies. We could potentially face a shortage when recruiting new officers each year..." The Spymaster approaches next.
"Sire, we could divulge some plans from Prince Tum Brah's servants if we're given some time..."
You decide to...
A) Politely decline Prince Tum Brah's request, for Methiant itself needs its horses.
B) Ask Prince Tum Brah to stay at the capital for few days, so he can rest after the tiring journey.
C) Politely decline Prince Tum Brah's request, and ask whether some money, instead of horses, would be accepted by Mahjar Sim.
D) Agree to the request and promise five hundred horses each year to be sold to Sim Empire.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2019, 05:20:30 am
Maybe they can trade us some lizards, cats and oliphaunts in exchange?
Post by: ZBridges on January 27, 2019, 05:48:10 am
Post by: mightymushroom on January 27, 2019, 08:12:49 am
B - Let's go intrigue!
Maybe they can trade us some lizards, cats and oliphaunts in exchange?
B Yes! It would be crude to ask for a trade but surely friends can exchange gifts?
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 27, 2019, 10:15:50 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 27, 2019, 01:24:47 pm
B let's use that gift from the spirit dude!
I'm not sure B is a CHA check. It might be a spy check, with only a +1 from our broken Moonthread cloaks (assuming we didn't send all the cloaks to Helliste)
Dammit. I wish the Simian prince was just a moth later, so we could see what our army score is. If it is already maxed out, I have no problem giving him the horses. There is a non-zero chance his ambitions involve sucker punching the Damdamains.
B - Let's go intrigue!
Maybe they can trade us some lizards, cats and oliphaunts in exchange?
B Yes! It would be crude to ask for a trade but surely friends can exchange gifts?
Instead of a trade, or exchange of gifts, the horses should be a Dowry. A marriage will bring our two empires closer together. Perhaps Emperor Sim can find a suitable husband for our sister and heir Aina, who should probably get to work on making heirs of her own while she is still of childbearing age.
So yeah, B to drag this out and get that option.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 27, 2019, 01:27:59 pm
Post by: omada on January 27, 2019, 05:23:25 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 27, 2019, 07:15:51 pm
On that end, what ever happened to Orc world?
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2019, 02:33:47 am
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 28, 2019, 02:48:27 am
D
The one thing we should certainly not do is C. No give away cash!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 28, 2019, 02:53:18 pm
Post by: omada on January 28, 2019, 07:07:15 pm
Word of Haspen is that the soldiers sold them for very expensive omelettes. And we collapsed the tunnel to orc world.
About eggs: Yes, there wasn't enough to create a breeding progam or else
about orcworld: No, we didn't collapsed it: last time we interacted with it was our king killing (and being killed) a forgotten beast on the orcworld, it just said that it would take a very looong time to rebuild the castle and clean the stuff.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 28, 2019, 07:44:13 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 29, 2019, 05:51:18 pm
"But of course, I accept your generosity, Emperor." And so for the next two nights, your palace is hosting Prince Tum Brah and his entourage. The Simians take special liking to the foodstuffs and kitchen maids.
Prince Tum Brah is not interested in conversing with you, and prefers company of his trusted aides and guards.
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Meanwhile, Spymaster's agents have been working hard.
They've obtained enough evidence to point that Simian Empire has secured its eastern borders, and that a large-scale campaign is being prepared to strike the Damdamians through Ysirene, next year or the one after it. Unfortunately, drunken servants of Prince Tum Brah aren't that forthcoming in divulging further plans or details of Ysirene attack. That, or the agents were asking the wrong ones.
Two days pass...
The Marshal presents his report - indeed, if horses will be forked over to Simians, there will be a certain shortage of horses for new recruits. This won't stop the recruitment altogether, of course, although the slowdown in training of new recruits will be noticeable in the accounting papers.
An hour later, Prince Tum Brah is summoned to the audience hall, and he shows up with part of his entourage.
"So I am here, Emperor Houlandin." Prince Tum Brah clasps his hands, standing before you with a smirk and playful spark in his eyes. "Do tell me, can my father have the horses our Empire needs so much?"
A) Agree to the request and promise five hundred horses each year to be sold to Sim Empire.
B) Politely decline Prince Tum Brah's request, for Methiant itself needs its horses.
C) Politely decline Prince Tum Brah's request, and ask whether some money, instead of horses, would be accepted by Mahjar Sim.
Post by: ZBridges on January 29, 2019, 05:53:28 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on January 29, 2019, 05:55:00 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 29, 2019, 05:55:30 pm
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 29, 2019, 05:57:12 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 29, 2019, 06:03:01 pm
Post by: helmacon on January 29, 2019, 06:52:24 pm
Since they are being sold, I assume we will see some profits as well?
Post by: Prophet on January 29, 2019, 07:32:46 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on January 29, 2019, 08:32:39 pm
Post by: omada on January 30, 2019, 01:48:21 am
(pretty sure those lizards would help us in parsia lands and cats would do better on mountains)
but hey, giving others the weapon to crush our enemies and getting money for it?
If our emperor don't use this chance to make the war a joint effort (and start recruiting the help of our northern friends) he isn't wise enough yet
although if we attack damdamians the eldrican will attack us, if we manage to convince albion and hellist attack the northern parts of eldrican we can make it split his army and beat him
with luck we manage to blitzkrieg it before the war bellow us is over or the simians can manage to win it and help us.
hmm... let's hope that prawlant and calvendocia use this chance to strike eldrican too, they had a grudge afterall and even got a war of their own, they got screwed although
Post by: melkor on January 30, 2019, 02:29:04 am
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2019, 01:31:35 pm
If our emperor don't use this chance to make the war a joint effort (and start recruiting the help of our northern friends) he isn't wise enough yet
although if we attack damdamians the eldrican will attack us, if we manage to convince albion and hellist attack the northern parts of eldrican we can make it split his army and beat him
with luck we manage to blitzkrieg it before the war bellow us is over or the simians can manage to win it and help us.
Our army is built around heavy infantry. Blitzkrieg is unlikely our best play.
Instead of teaming up with Sim and fighting the Damdamians and Eldricans on two fronts, the smart move may be to let Sim go in on his own. If he does well, we can invade Eldrican, and the Damdamians will be too busy dealing with Sim to help them.
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2019, 02:20:40 pm
"Splendid. I'm sure my father will have the payments sent over soon." Prince Tum Brah then leaves, having conducted his business and not willing to talk more.
1215 AD, Midwinter
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Imperial administration is struggling to implement the Scaling Tax. At least the Dwarven Vaults have begun their operations.
1215 AD, End of the Year
With anticipation you tap your fingers on the desk's surface, while in the corner, your wife is knitting yet another pair of tiny socks.
Finally, the Advisor arrives! The Scrolls of Kingdom Status are laid upon your desk, and you slowly open it, teeth clenched...
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Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 3
Army: 9
Imp.Authority: 0
"Sire, our Treasury has been filled up with some coinage, but the Treasurer worries that what we currently have might evaporate in a year or two. He advises that, given the Empire's population views you favorably, that you raise taxes."
A) "Ain't no taxation like harsh taxation! Raise the taxes!"
B) "I didn't mellow them out just to anger them now, sorry."
"Despite the economical trouble in the Empire, the people's confidence in authority of the Throne has risen. If you wish to do so, issuing an Edict would be a good idea at the moment."
A) "Aye, it is."
B) "No, it ain't."
The Advisor opens up a very big parchment and spreads it on the desk. "And this is the updated map of the region, nay, the world that our wise men and women know of. It is truly magnificent, take a look, your majesty!"
Spoiler: Map of the World Known by Methiantese Scholars (click to show/hide)
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2019, 02:29:28 pm
Lets just cut an expensive edict. Art funding perhaps? Between that and the scaling tax eventually kicking in, the budget should balance.
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2019, 02:33:10 pm
Rather than increasing taxes, I'd cut an expense such as the Calendar of Festivities now that they're happier.
Post by: Chevaleresse on January 30, 2019, 02:56:50 pm
Patience. Vault system and the scaling tax need time, and we can't really afford to go upsetting more factions at the moment. Eliminating festivities will rile the peasants up, while the scaling tax will be doing a good job riling the nobles up.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2019, 02:57:55 pm
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Patience. Vault system and the scaling tax need time, and we can't really afford to go upsetting more factions at the moment. Eliminating festivities will rile the peasants up, while the scaling tax will be doing a good job riling the nobles up.
Cutting arts funding, on the other hand, will just rile up the artists. Should be fairly harmless.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 30, 2019, 03:07:56 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 30, 2019, 03:38:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2019, 03:41:00 pm
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
Late Spring, 1135 AD: Established the Fireblood Court:
Creation of a specialized military branch devoted purely to development of Fireblood arms to ensure they are aplenty and of best designs around. This will allow to centralize the production, research and budgeting of Fireblood weaponry rather than having some errant alchemists and engineers running around, trying to make things happen.
End of Year 1139 AD: Established Recruitment Offices:
Mandatory training for youths is a good thing, but after bloodier-than-usual wars, there might be shortage of men to replenish the ranks. If we were to expand on the royal bureaucracy to include offices for traveling civilian recruiters and offer citizenship grants for mercenaries and travelers looking for a new home, our Army could refill its ranks much faster.
End of Year 1140 AD: Established The Council of Statesmen:
Creation of a small council of governmental officials who will be tasked with helping the government run smoother alongside traditional advisors, and, of course, the monarch himself. This will help strengthen the Imperial Authority, even in dire times, and help pass edicts quicker, although giving even more political power away from the throne than in the past might become a source of troubles one day.
End of Year 1146 AD: Established Diplomatic Corps:
Creation of a small but highly professional cabinet of diplomats and ambassadors that would visit neighbouring countries on regular basis to strengthen ties with nearby rulers and their nobles, and maybe even develop favorable treaties with them.
Summer 1152 AD: Issued the Codex of Training Regimen:
A set of efficient (and slightly draconian) requirements and practices of training to ensure that the Army gets only the best recruits of them all. This will make the Army much better in combat, although there might be a problem to fill yearly recruitment quotas sometimes.
End of Year 1153 AD: Established the Shadowranks:
Politics often involve underhanded tactics. A castle full of commoner staff and visiting foreigners just asks for a disaster to occur. Let's have the military form a professional division of most loyal of soldiers, who would protect the Emperor, his family and important state officials, during the day, night, war, peace, revelries of festivals and monotony of daily life.
End of Year 1156 AD: Expanded Primogeniture Law:
A string of bad luck can render a monarch without a male heir or cause succession debates. Rather than risk some unpleasant consequences of such a situation, it might be better to allow a skilled female to ascend to the throne, especially if she is as good at matters of the governance as any other ruler.
End of Year 1158 AD: Enacted Settlement Policy:
Guarantee that those willing to settle in previously undeveloped lands or territories yet unclaimed by any nation will be given a certain amount of money to help further their effort. However, this might cause a severe drain on the Treasury, especially during times of sudden, mass migrations to the countryside.
End of Year 1159 AD: Introduced Elective Succession Laws:
Sometimes a firstborn might be below average in terms of his skills to rule the nation, but there might be no other alternatives left, even amongst females. Elective Succession will allow the monarch to select the most skilled to inherit the throne, even a distant (or foreign!) relative of the successor, although this might cause problems with less gifted yet highly ambitious relatives of the next ruler, as well as local nobility.
Late Autumn, 1160 AD: Proclaimed Dissolution of Cloisters:
There are some faiths that are living and dwelling in estates and keeps that once belonged to the Crown, hoarding wealth within! We should force them out, restoring the important buildings to our governance as well as profiting from the stored treasures. Obviously, the worshippers of the faiths in question will be angry about this.
End of Year 1164 AD: Established The Royal House of Learning:
Scholars scribbling down books in secluded libraries and scriptories should be a thing of the past! Let's instead establish a centre of learning, where those of intellect can exchange ideas and educate those willing to learn. It will help the nation develop technologically, although maintenance of this beacon of enlightenment will obviously require yearly costs.
End of Year 1166 AD: Adopted Fireblood Infantry Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but even one in dozen of shots is bound to hit someone. Some believe that infantry should be given hand-held Fireblood weapons, which would be fired en masse against the enemy before melee combat, while horsemen equipped with melee weapons attack the flanks in glorious charges or mows down those who were lucky to survive the rain of hot iron.
End of Year 1174 AD: Endorsed State Patronage of Arts:
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
End of Year 1176 AD: Established Royal School of Cartography:
People come from near and far, yet we know little of the places they visit, the royal scribes clinging to rumors, hearsays and random tales of strangers. A proper society of cartographers and scholars at the House of Learning could help expand our knowledge about the region, and the continent - who knows, maybe entire world in the far future!
End of Year 1191 AD: Adopted a State Religion (Pantheonism):
Pantheonism has become a major religion amongst our subjects. To foster unity of our subjects against foreign religious influences, we should establish Pantheonism as the state religion, with all others nowhere equal to it. The Pantheonist clergy will sure view it in a good light, too.
End of Year 1195 AD: Established Calendar of Festivities:
Rather than throw a festival every few years to celebrate a bontiful harvest, let's instead establish a cyclic and stable calendar of state-sponsored festivities for the whole year. This will cause a drain on the Treasury, but hey - people love festivals!
End of Year 1199 AD: Passed Advancement of Religion Act:
To ensure that the state faith continues to remain strong and undivided, we should sponsor religious studies and schools as well as institute calendar of theological councils to quickly address changing times in the country and influence of foreign cultures and religions upon our Imperial subjects.
End of Year 1211 AD: Modernized Siege Engineering Principles:
With proliferation of Fireblood as destructive military component, there's a need to modify and strengthen our forts to better protect against it - some are mentioning star-shapes and sloped walls - as well as develop measures to make bombardments more accurate to minimize damage to the valuable buildings, goods and potential subjects behind the enemy walls.
End of Year 1213 AD: Implemented the Vault System:
Introduce the 'Vaults' to the current Treasury system. Vaults are places where dwarves store money of their clients in exchange for stamped writs, which can be then taken to a Vault at a different dwarven domain and safely exchanged for cash in with only a small 'processing' tax handed to the dwarves. With a lot of wealthy clients, this could earn the Treasury a lot of money in the long run, especially if professional dwarven 'Vaulters' can be recruited.
End of Year 1214 AD: Established Scaling Tax:
At the moment, people are taxed on per-household basis. Let's squeeze extra money from those who earn a lot; noblemen with holdings, successful craftsmen and rich merchants. Of course, all of these might not like the idea of having to pay more than a lowly peasant working the fields.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 30, 2019, 04:12:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on January 30, 2019, 04:22:55 pm
Both this and Arts are presumably beneficial, although somewhat long-term and in-the-background projects. It's probably safe to cut either, but I think Festivities is safer because we'll more easily notice it's missing once revenues are back up.
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2019, 05:05:03 pm
Revoke the Calendar of Festivities
Both this and Arts are presumably beneficial, although somewhat long-term and in-the-background projects. It's probably safe to cut either, but I think Festivities is safer because we'll more easily notice it's missing once revenues are back up.
I sort of agree. But calendar of festivities can sort of pay for itself if our happiness peaks and our subjects start offering us money.
So far, I've yet to see any tangible benefit from the arts, so...
Revoke State Patronage of the arts.
Post by: Hotfire90 on January 30, 2019, 05:16:34 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on January 30, 2019, 05:32:05 pm
From what I can tell it has kept our culture homogeneous and spreading.
But until the vault and tax changes are in we should hold off.
Revoke State Patronage of arts
Post by: Weirdsound on January 30, 2019, 05:40:14 pm
We should re-enable the patronage of the arts later.
From what I can tell it has kept our culture homogeneous and spreading.
But until the vault and tax changes are in we should hold off.
Revoke State Patronage of arts
Agree 100%
Post by: ZBridges on January 30, 2019, 06:13:12 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2019, 03:01:48 pm
1216 AD, Spring
Diplomatic Corps bring a report from the royal chambers of Eldrican itself: Young Teodor, heir to the throne, will be marrying a few years older Prodina, daughter of the Prawlantese
1216 AD, Summer
Silver! Silver has been struck in the northern colonies!
Prospectors and miners, who were digging up soil and rocks to the east of established colonies that produce iron, report that just few days away lie plentiful deposits of silver ore, namely galena.
Of course, the prospective miners will require a certain monetary supply to begin their operations, hire workers, build infrastructure, etc etc.
A) Let the coin rain!
B) Sorry, ask me later.
Post by: Prophet on February 05, 2019, 03:16:20 pm
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Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2019, 03:49:00 pm
1216 AD, Midsummer
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It seems that favorites and proteges of noblemen - that being artisans of many sorts - losing the oh so unclaimed sponsorships was enough to make the noblemen grumble, causing them to get angrier at the Emperor.
C'est la vie, Happiness is just a number!
1216 AD, Autumn
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Reports come from the traders; the profits were akin to the last year, but the t'chai failed to incur any noticeable wealth this year.
Few days later, the squealing of the newborn once again fills the royal chambers! Mirinda gives birth to a healthy little girl. She names her 'Aife'.
1216 AD, Mid-Autumn
All across from the Empire come reports that this year had exceptional harvests! Grain fields and orchards especially bore plenty of cereal and fruit, the markets gorged with bags and baskets full of produce. Priests and commoners alike clamor that this calls for a celebratory festival to be hosted by the Crown.
A) We already give money to upkeep standarized calendar of festivities, we don't need another expense!
B) Let's drink, party and be merry, everyone!
Post by: ZBridges on February 05, 2019, 04:34:27 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on February 05, 2019, 05:07:05 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 05, 2019, 05:45:56 pm
1216 AD, Late Autumn
"Duach?" You look at Aina with surprise.
As it turns out, the two have been getting along quite nicely, and your older sister seems to be enamored with the stately and handsome Duach, the elder of two of grand-uncle Deathans' sons. In fact, if what you just heard is right, the two have been eloping for afternoon walks and spend a lot of time in royal gardens, too.
You briefly consider what kinda familial relationship (https://i.imgur.com/LArqkWc.png) that would be, for genealogy is hard. Their common full ancestor would be the Great Cyl himself, father of both Eirika and Yoe III.
But considering Ruberta's remarrying... half-uncle and half-niece?
"Isn't that incest?" Aina frowns at you mightily.
"Oh come on, we're further apart than cousins! We're not even of full blood relations, I've read the genealogy books. I love Duach, and I wish to be his wife! His soothing voice, his strong arms, oh, and his sparkly eyes. Truly, a man for me!" You roll your eyes. For as much as Aina seems to be wise and scholarly, it seems that nerdy girls do love hot jocks.
Wait, sorry for anachronisms - it seems that learned ladies do love handsome courtiers.
You decide to...
A) Play the stern, dissapproving father figure and remind her that she will marry for political gain, not for incestous love.
B) Shrug and let her to marry whom she wants to... but because you don't approve of this kinda kinship, she must give up her position as royal heir first.
C) Shrug and let her to marry whom she wants to.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 05, 2019, 05:50:03 pm
Post by: birdy51 on February 05, 2019, 05:50:16 pm
Behold the divine blood of the Emperor!
Post by: Weirdsound on February 05, 2019, 05:53:58 pm
She is technically our heir. She should have heirs of her own.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 05, 2019, 06:05:52 pm
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Post by: Haspen on February 10, 2019, 01:23:08 pm
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You decide to let her marry whom she wishes. Apparently Deathan didn't object either and gave Duach permission, too.
Just two weeks later they marry in traditional Pantheonist ceremony.
1216 AD, Winter
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In the rush to begin mining of silver, the northern overseers have forego safety and caution; a major tunnel collapse and then landslide killed dozens of overly enthusiastic miners and damaging many buildings. Basically, this sets the silver works back to the beginning.
Hopefully next year the Treasury will see some fresh silver bullion delivered...
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From more fortunate news, the t'chai leaves sold in the west for hefty profits!
Gold and gemstones fill the treasury, as well as Gubtan coinage, for the eastern traders brought the agreed-upon money for the horses you're selling to Mahjar Sim's stables.
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After you've finished an old tale about King Meric of Luathbas and his fabled, riches-filled tomb, its location lost to people's memory, a persistent thought remains. What if it the tomb, and its riches are real?
So over the course of few nights, you dug into ancient books, histories and religious reports pertaining King Meric's passing and funeral. You compare writings with more recent essays and literary works on the subject. You look into the old maps and sketches, and compare them to the images composed by scholars at House of Learning. You even seek help of few of their brightest cartographers and historians.
As the nights pass, more and more evidence points to an astounding conclusion - King Meric has been buried in the hills outside Methe! Back then, the hills in question were far beyond Methe's walls, the area covered in thick forest. Nowadays, they're right beyond the outer walls, covered in grass that cows munch for breakfast, their owners blissfully unaware of riches underneath.
Then again, would farmers and governors simply let cows graze over dead king's tomb?
The hills are currently not even used, for a layer of snow has covered the old grass. Maybe it's the perfect time and opportunity to see if King's Meric tomb really exists?
A) I'm not a tomb-defiler, though. King Meric deserves his rest and his riches.
B) I will send money to the Royal House of Learning so that they can begin archeological excavations right away.
C) I will entice some lvl20+ adventurers to dig up the treasure, even if one can be sure they will help themselves to a part of it.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 01:32:54 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 10, 2019, 01:50:53 pm
A - Let's avoid a wild goose chase
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 10, 2019, 02:10:09 pm
No shame in trying.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 10, 2019, 02:12:21 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 02:26:25 pm
-Got us into a war with the dworfs
-Gave us an evil artifact that killed Houlandin II
Tomb raiding is bad business.
Post by: auzewasright on February 10, 2019, 03:40:14 pm
Post by: auzewasright on February 10, 2019, 03:45:35 pm
I don't remember a King Meric at all, and the old thread doesn't seem to mention him.Maybe the actual name is lost in translation? I believe “The golden age of the Houlandines” is still in print, or at least widely read.
A - Let's avoid a wild goose chase
Post by: mightymushroom on February 10, 2019, 03:47:47 pm
We rolled a 6*, even if it's not King Meric there's gotta be something!
Last two tombs I remember plundering:
-Got us into a war with the dworfs
-Gave us an evil artifact that killed Houlandin II
Tomb raiding is bad business. I'm leaning A. But this is the tomb of a normal Human, so I can be convinced otherwise.
And before those was the human tomb that held our Coronation Staff and the Wolf-Fang Sword. So if we stick to human burials (and more or less our own ancestors at that) I think we're okay.
Post by: Haspen on February 10, 2019, 04:13:34 pm
1216 AD, Midwinter
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Success! Just few days into the dig, the diggers broke through the roof (and the one with the pickaxe fell in) into a spacious, rectangular chamber lined with flat stones!
Immediately, the scholars began to catalog the whole inventory, of which there was not as much as one could expect from ancient tales. They've accounted several hundred gold and silver coins, some old clothes (many being green and red, typical for dynasties before Houlandines), clay and stone pottery, remains of a horse and a dog, as well as a stone sarcophagus. Some bone dust and skull fragments were found inside, suggesting that it wasn't sealed properly. Besides the dusty remains, a collection of small blades in protective clothing was found. Their blades are dull and rusty, but gem-encrusted handles are made of precious metals.
The money has been cleaned and restored - its net worth has unfortunately more or less equaled the payment for House's scholars. The blades were cleaned as well, and sold to collectors for another bunch of money as well. All in all, the Treasury profited from this years' trade of t'chai more than from the dig.
The most exquisite item found inside the sarcophagus, however, was a heavy, gold-cast goblet, adorned with amethysts, onyxes and sards. The scholars are pretty sure that this must be the legendary 'Jewelled Cup of Stars', an item which King Meric (supposedly) used to cure his kingdom of plague in 650s, as well as saved two of his children from the dreaded swamp fever. The runic inscriptions are faded, and only with help of some dwarven Vaulters your archeologists manage to ascertain that some faint trace of magic is embedded within this heavy piece of solid gold and dark jewels.
"What do we do with the goblet, my liege?" The Advisor says, staring down along with you at the golden vessel in question. It sure is pretty, but as you lift it, you doubt it could be even used for ceremonial purposes, or even drinking. It's too heavy for that. "Do we sell it?"
A) "We've been strapped for cash lately, and such a beautiful piece of goldwork will surely be priced well. Let's sell it!"
B) "No, we will keep it in the artifact vault as Crown Jewel of Methiant! Nothing wrong with having a robust collection, you know."
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 04:15:05 pm
B
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 10, 2019, 04:15:15 pm
Anti-plague goblet? Yes please
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 10, 2019, 04:24:33 pm
JACKPOT! Now we have a means to cure any plagues that pop up
Post by: Kashyyk on February 10, 2019, 04:28:02 pm
B
Post by: helmacon on February 10, 2019, 04:28:43 pm
I doubt it would have much of an effect at this point, but sure. Let's preserve our history.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 10, 2019, 04:30:38 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 10, 2019, 05:00:29 pm
1216 AD, Late Winter
The Treasurer drones about how the Scaling Tax has brought less profits to the Treasury than expected; it seems that your craftsmen aren't particularily wealthy and after the recent incident there's not much of aristocracy to pay extra taxation.
Still, money is money. Maybe in future decades this will change.
1216 AD, End of the Year
How does the Treasury fare after this year? The leaves sold nicely, the dig paid off, but the expenses aren't small and the mines in the north aren't working yet. On other hand, first profits from Scaling Tax were made...
You snap from your musings as the door creaks - as expected of him, the Advisor walks in, his hands occupied by Scrolls of Kingdom Status.
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5to6*, 1to4(1to4), 3to6
Happiness: 6
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 11!
Imp.Authority: +1
"Your Majesty, the state of affairs of the Empire are as follows; the authority of the throne has been strengthened by prosperity of the land and influence of the council and the Crown."
"As expected, the dig, the trade of horses and Scaling Tax brought some nice money. The overseers of Vaults also report that initial profits from their operations were good. Coupled with wealth gained from the Meric's tomb, our Treasury has moderate reserves of cash at the moment."
"The Marshal proudly reports that the Imperial Army is at its maximum capacity and efficiency. He and his commanders both clamor for the prowess and strength of Methiant to be tested! It's been ages since last war for profit, they say, and whilst they love their usual guard duties and protection of internal stability in the Empire, the men have this itch that can be only scratched by properly organized battling outside Methiantese borders."
A) "But Methiant is friend to all living beings! We can't go to war simply because our soldiers are bored!"
B) "A perfect opportunity to settle some family grudges with the Kingdom of Eldrican!"
C) "Emperor Mahjar Sim is old and probably does not expect an attack! Time to grab some Gubtan riches!"
D) "Lametania has too close ties to the south, and we ought to change that!"
E) "We will ride against Kingdom of Helliste, as to expand north and seize the coastline!"
F) "Kingdom of Rucus seems to be a link between south and north - let's break that link apart!"
"Besides matters of war, there's also matters of Imperial administration. Do you wish to issue an Edict?"
A) "Sure, I'm always eager to stamp some papers!"
B) "Nah, I think I've issued everything I wanted so far."
The Advisor brings the royal map (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7922775#msg7922775) for your review, but with few quick glances you can see that nothing has changed.
Post by: helmacon on February 10, 2019, 05:09:10 pm
We need to make sure our allies will support us if everything starts to snowball out of control.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 10, 2019, 05:19:30 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 10, 2019, 05:25:29 pm
A
No need to over spend but maybe there is something new.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 10, 2019, 05:57:09 pm
Come on you Eldrican losers, start your crusade already!
Post by: mightymushroom on February 10, 2019, 06:11:57 pm
Tempting as it is to war Eldrican, I'd rather wait a few more years until the lands in the south are busy against Gubta as we expect.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 06:21:07 pm
A B
Tempting as it is to war Eldrican, I'd rather wait a few more years until the lands in the south are busy against Gubta as we expect.
This 100%. Lets let Sim make the first move. If Rucus/Lamentia send troops away to help their neighbors against the Gubtans, we can attack Eldrican without having to fear their allies attacking us.
AB
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Also Haspen, did we start repaying our loan to the dwarves this year? Also, did anything ever come out of our attempts to investigate the death of the last King of Helliste?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 10, 2019, 06:38:17 pm
Post by: auzewasright on February 10, 2019, 06:38:25 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 10, 2019, 06:41:29 pm
Post by: auzewasright on February 10, 2019, 06:47:00 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 10, 2019, 06:58:58 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 07:09:00 pm
The report on king of Helliste was no foul play and a polite thank you from our aunt for indulging her. Edit: include link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164245.msg7918103#msg7918103)
Huh. One of those blink and you miss it deals.
Post by: dragonblaze007 on February 10, 2019, 09:46:49 pm
Lamentania is one of the weakest neighboring Kingdoms and we have too good relations with the other ones to attack them.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 10, 2019, 10:09:34 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 10, 2019, 10:56:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 01:04:12 am
Also Haspen, did we start repaying our loan to the dwarves this year?
Knew I was forgetting something.
Fixed!
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 01:06:55 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Issue the Bill of Rights:
A standarized code of basic laws of the common peoples. Even if peasants will have nothing else left, they will always have their basic freedoms, helping ease their minds in times of emergency - and perhaps allow the spirit of liberty and humanism to blossom (for good or worse).
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Endorse State Patronage of Arts: (once in effect: 1174 - 1215 AD)
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
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Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 02:05:15 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 11, 2019, 02:39:17 am
Post by: Taricus on February 11, 2019, 02:55:29 am
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Post by: Hotfire90 on February 11, 2019, 05:48:33 am
Post by: auzewasright on February 11, 2019, 08:17:09 am
It’s a step in the right direction.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2019, 09:16:20 am
Post by: Prophet on February 11, 2019, 01:25:43 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 01:52:07 pm
1217 AD, Spring
Helliste travelers bring interesting news from far east; it seems that some sort of war is going on in Rosamana, but conflicting reports make it impossible to determine if its foreign invasion, a civil war, or mixture of both.
1217 AD, Mid-Spring
A delegation of dwarves have arrived. They're headed by High Overseers of Ankurvat and Zasitost, Dobar Zunkolath and Am Shovarshovast. Along with them, there's about three dozen of guards and equal amount of servants and scribes.
It can't be anything but an extremely important diplomatic mission. Soon enough, as they stop before the gates, a dwarven runner brings word: High King and The Council of Dwarven Halls are trying to expand further west, and want to build another Hall on Methiantese territory.
You decide to...
A) Tell them that you're short on time lately, and dismiss them.
B) Let them in and hear the details of their proposal.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 01:55:36 pm
Lets hear them out. Depending on what land they want, and what they are offering in return, it could be a good deal.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 11, 2019, 01:57:56 pm
Post by: dragonblaze007 on February 11, 2019, 02:09:21 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 11, 2019, 02:44:29 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 11, 2019, 02:51:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 02:53:08 pm
B We might be able to negotiate some taxes out of them, "lease" the land instead of selling it.
That might be tough. Dwarves like their money. We'd be better off asking for a Military Alliance. Damdamians don't like Dwarves, and they don't like us.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2019, 03:05:16 pm
I feel like these personages are too important to dismiss with a hand wave.
I'm also skeptical of what they're likely to offer.
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 03:12:53 pm
The duo, wearing gold, purple and white, walk in the front of the lengthy procession of dwarves. They wear square hats adorned with ropes of silvery beads hanging down like curtains. They have thick beards, definitely dyed pitch-black, or otherwise oiled - no beard shines as much as Am's and Dobar's. Their guards and servants are plainly covered, the former in plate armor and the latter in softly-toned clothes and cloaks.
The one of the two Overseers, the slightly smaller and thinnier one, steps forward.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin III of Methiant-Cydwyl. I am Dobar. This is my colleague, Am." Am bows his head slightly. "We're here on behest of High King Varsaalath Katinarag, who wishes to see the might of Dwarven people spread further east, for we've heard that untapped mountains and unclaimed lands lie in that direction, with peoples of savagery and wealth that our King would like to get his beard on."
"Therefore," Am interjects,"High King Katinarag wishes to purchase some land in east of Methiant-Cydwyl. The area in question lies at the end of Tiftit Valley, the slopes of the mountains nearby rolling down toward the inhospitable, sandy deserts of Waterless Plains. Our prospectors and stonemasters already visited the area, and has decreed that the rockbed is good enough to support extensive mining and tunneling."
"As for the price," Now Dobar speaks again, "High King Kathinarag is willing to forego the current loan you have to repay to our bankers. Furthermore, he is ready to pay you in gold and silver, equal to what your gemstone mines produce in span of two years*. The payments would carry on for next thirty years, and would be delivered by dwarven caravans from Zasitost."
Am hides his palms in the sleeves of his robes before adding: "We've for long time experienced stubborness and brashness of Yoean dynasts, and while we have been given a leeway to negotiate with you on the purchase price, we propose that you accept the deal as is. It will be easier on all of us."
A) "No no no, a good trader never parts with his goodies without some barter beforehand. Let's negotiate!"
B) "First of all, you will tell me how some nondescript, barely inhabited lands on outskirts of fertile valley are worth so much."
C) "Fine, I accept the deal as is. Always a pleasure doing business with High King Katinarag and his envoys!"
D) "This deal is insulting to me, for I'm not a cheapskate selling away my domain parcel by parcel. Away with you!"
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 11, 2019, 03:28:09 pm
We do have a Charisma bonus from the blessing the spirit dude gave us
Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 03:29:28 pm
2 Econ a year for 30 years? I'm sure we could do better, and I'm sure the Dwarves found something incredibly valuable under those hills, but I don't want to risk such a solid payment. If I recall correctly, even though we have CHA, dwarves are not the easiest of people to negotiate with.
Post by: omada on February 11, 2019, 03:31:45 pm
then we take of the amulet of persuasion and negotiate, It doesn't need to be exactly money, just use the chance to make an extra addendun where both accept a secret alliance to protect each other against nations which religious authority is xenophobic like those damdamians
or a joint venture against those damdamians with promises of letting them building another fortress south on a pre-determined region or access to the orcworld
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 11, 2019, 03:36:35 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 03:38:44 pm
B first let's make this wise check to see if there is something fishy about this (besides dwarves doing prospector work in our lands without asking for permission), I see that they are willing to trade with rosamana, and they are probably creating extensive tunnels below our cities
then we take of the amulet of persuasion and negotiate, It doesn't need to be exactly money, just use the chance to make an extra addendun where both accept a secret alliance to protect each other against nations which religious authority is xenophobic like those damdamians
or a joint venture against those damdamians with promises of letting them building another fortress south on a pre-determined region or access to the orcworld
The way B is worded, I think it is more a CHA check against stuborn dwarves than it is a WIS check. I'd rather not offend them.
I'll switch to A though, with the understanding that we are bartering for military cooperation or a joint venture into Orc World rather than more money. Either one of those things benefit the dwarves as well, so we should get a bonus for good terms.
Post by: ZBridges on February 11, 2019, 03:52:41 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 11, 2019, 04:15:41 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 04:35:26 pm
As you speak, you can feel the dwarven necklace's weight increase and its metal go cold. Obviously, it doesn't work against its creators - possibly a very thoughtful precaution.
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Still, after a little bit of persuasion, one of the Overseers is willing to explain.
"It is because the rock and soil underneath are very promising for cultivation of shrooms and roots that we use in our cuisine. What is infertile land above means plenty of nourishment for under-dwellers like us. Even with no crops grown aboveground, the Hall and its inhabitants would have full bellies." Dobar explains.
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3*
Despite your wisdom and knowledge of all things, you cannot be sure about the dwarven farming practices when it comes underground. You're plenty sure the soil and rocks are as important to their farming as it is to those living above.
If there is any other reason they think highly of the soil in the east, it eludes you.
A) "Fine, I accept the deal as is. Always a pleasure doing business with High King Katinarag and his envoys!"
B) "No no no, a good trader never parts with his goodies without some barter beforehand. Let's negotiate!"
C) "This deal is insulting to me, for I'm not a cheapskate selling away my domain parcel by parcel. Away with you!"
Post by: ZBridges on February 11, 2019, 04:37:34 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 11, 2019, 04:40:26 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 11, 2019, 04:41:38 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 11, 2019, 04:45:20 pm
Lets not risk our +2 Econ for 30 years guys! We also need to be on good terms with the dwarves in case things get hot with the Damdamians. Lets not risk it all on a dice roll!
Post by: omada on February 11, 2019, 04:48:59 pm
A but try to elude then to talk about other things?
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 11, 2019, 04:50:27 pm
A
Post by: omada on February 11, 2019, 04:51:47 pm
Wait, shouldn't we get a CHAS bonus due to the gift?
good point
Post by: Haspen on February 11, 2019, 04:53:38 pm
EDIT: And fix'd.
EDITEDIT: Now we have a new poll! Go vote ya crazy bunnies!
Post by: mightymushroom on February 11, 2019, 06:18:57 pm
I thought it might be there. Ehh . . . okay.
(If they're paying in precious metals, on top of our new mine, would rolling a better deal actually make our risk of inflation worse?)
Post by: Kashyyk on February 11, 2019, 06:34:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 11, 2019, 09:08:45 pm
Post by: auzewasright on February 11, 2019, 10:00:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2019, 12:53:17 am
I feel like the one "Waiting to die" answer on the poll is probably haspen himself.
Nah, I like soap operas you know.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 12, 2019, 01:04:16 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2019, 09:34:35 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 12, 2019, 01:48:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2019, 04:39:09 pm
Over the course of few hours, the cartographers are given dwarven construction and territorial claim maps, and you in meanwhile write down a lengthy document - in two copies - about passing of the territory to the dwarves. As you glance over the territorial claim on their map, it seems to not be any larger than Zasitost, already perched on the other side of the mountains. The future Dwarven Hall is to be called 'Emeden', whatever that means.
The digging, tunneling and laying of foundation will begin in few weeks; the payments will be delivered each Spring, starting from the Spring of year 1218 AD.
After you add the royal seal in red wax upon the contracts, the Overseers add their own coat of metallic wax, shiny like silver but smelling rather foul. One copy is carried off into the royal archives, the other is put into an ornate wooden box that the Overseers' servants bring in.
"It is nice to know that not all monarchs of your family are as stubborn as the tales go." Am notes in your language. "We will inform the High King of your cooperation and willingness to do business, I'm sure he will be quite happy to hear of this." Dobar adds afterwards.
They refuse to overstay their welcome, similarily not willing to do any further business. They depart along with their entourage before nightfall.
1217 AD, Summer
All of the Palace is putting on mourning veils, for a tragedy happened; your sister Aina, after giving birth to Duach's son, Bjern, has caught a fever the night afterwards and swiftly perished. Some accuse Duach of murder, which is absurd, and some curse the Cup, which was supposedly to protect people from illness. Duach himself is cursing gods of Pantheon for taking Aina from him, and promised to spend his family's wealth on decorating her tomb in the royal catacombs as lavishly as possible.
But as courtiers mourn, the councilmembers and advisors meet. As much as you're in pain and mourn the loss of your elder sibling, you have to decide on the heir to the throne of Methiant-Cydwyl.
After the recent souring of relationship with the Eldrican, your courtiers seem unwilling to accept anyone from Hein's royal family (that meaning Feir, Sigurd and their children, and Rubert). Other than that, the noblemen seem to be pretty divided on the issue.
Ultimately, the heir to the throne will be...
A) Your eldest son, Luthas.
B) Your eldest daughter, Segeda.
C) Your youngest son, Yoe.
D) Your youngest daughter, Aife.
E) Your mother, Queen Mother Wilhemina.
F) Your aunt, Cylia.
G) Your aunt, Queen Mother Ciri of Helliste.
H) Your cousin, King Brynwald of Helliste, son of Ciri.
I) Your cousin, Astrid of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
J) Your cousin, Brynwalda of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
K) Your cousin, Alfdis of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
L) Your great-half-uncle, Deathan.
M) Your half-uncle, Duach, son of Deathan.
N) Your half-cousin, newborn Bjern, son of Duach.
O) Your half-uncle, Houlandin, son of Deathan.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 12, 2019, 04:50:05 pm
We need to name an adult. We cannot afford a regency period with the Damdamians breathing down our throat. Our mother should have no objections to giving up the title of heir (or Empress) to her grandkids when they come of age.
Edit: Actually, by that logic, our wife would be an even better pick. Why no option for her?
Post by: auzewasright on February 12, 2019, 04:59:06 pm
Plus, I think it's time we give it to someone else in the corners of the Dynasty.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 12, 2019, 05:03:24 pm
G, H, I, J, or K would be a better branch of the family. Both for chances of reproduction, and for bringing Helliste closer to Methiant-Cydwyl.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2019, 05:08:29 pm
I'll be the one to nominate Astrid; she's old enough (17) for our purposes. I wouldn't try to annex Helliste without laying groundwork first but north is the direction to keep in mind diplomatically.
Just because we give it to Deathan wouldn't mean it has to stay over there. My only objection is his age.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 12, 2019, 05:11:22 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 12, 2019, 05:16:14 pm
We should follow it up by giving Helliste a gift of money once the dwarf deal and silver max out our economy. Secure them firmly as a military ally, and perhaps convince them to help us colonize the northern shores.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 12, 2019, 05:17:05 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2019, 05:25:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 12, 2019, 05:32:47 pm
M While I do see the appeal of strengthening relations with our northern relatives I'm more worried about this possibly being seen as a power play on our part to takeover Helliste or that we'll get caught up in some family drama up north. Duach might be the boring choice but he's the safe one and one of the choices with the strongest claims to the throne since he's if I remember correctly a member of the main agnatic branch of the Yoean Dynasty and has a son/heir from our sister.
He's also stricken with grief and thinks elaborate tomb decorating is a good way to spend one's wealth. If you insist on giving it to a member of that bloodline, Deathan would be the better choice; If we die soon, we may get a few years of his genius. If not, there is a chance he lives just long enough for our kids to come of age, giving us another opportunity to name one of them when he bites it.
But I don't see how naming Astrid causes Drama. Astrid is not likely in line to inherit the throne. I'm not even sure if Helliste accepts female monarchs. I doubt naming her will be seen as a power play in the same way that naming her mother or brother would be. It is also likely that becoming the heir to Methiant-Cydwyl will boost her marriage prospects, giving us the opprotunity to visit Helliste for her wedding and employ our charm directly.
Post by: Prophet on February 12, 2019, 05:37:11 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 12, 2019, 05:39:34 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 12, 2019, 05:41:52 pm
Edit: She is 14-15 according to the family tree. That should be old enough to inherit a world superpower. J still works. No need to complicate things and change votes.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2019, 05:46:09 pm
Post by: omada on February 12, 2019, 07:22:25 pm
Maybe if we get astrid or whatever as leader we can already have a bonus on diplomacy and make our new brother or the next king of helliste our emperor
Post by: Imic on February 13, 2019, 10:04:55 am
Post by: helmacon on February 14, 2019, 11:36:01 am
Post by: Haspen on February 14, 2019, 11:57:53 am
1217 AD, Midsummer
Guards report that a rather uneasy-looking courier has returned from Helliste with reply to your appointment of
Just as you're to meet with him, you bump into Spymaster, who doesn't look particularily cool himself at the moment.
"M'liege, I bring an urgent report about the southlands. We must talk about it."
A) "Sorry, after I read the reply from aunt Ciri's court."
B) "Right away, tell me what the report is about."
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 14, 2019, 11:59:56 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 14, 2019, 12:03:51 pm
You send a letter to Helliste in which you declare appointage of Alfdis of Helliste as the heiress to the throne of Methiant.
Nice to see I'm not the only one who had trouble keeping names and letters straight :P . . . but I don't think anybody actually voted K.
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If we end up re-voting the succession we might want to hear the other thing first and put some space between the two.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 14, 2019, 01:06:33 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2019, 01:57:58 pm
Please tell us the Damdamians want to start shit with us when we have 11 army!
Post by: omada on February 14, 2019, 03:14:56 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 14, 2019, 03:57:07 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 14, 2019, 03:57:45 pm
Post by: ZBridges on February 14, 2019, 04:20:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 14, 2019, 04:33:31 pm
"Sire, a Republican army has entered Rucus. They've being led by some Rucusian riders through less traveled roads, towards border with Eval and Lametania."
"How large?"
"Four thousand strong, mostly cavalry. Agents deeper south report that infantry and supply caravans are amassed just south of Rucusian border, exact numbers unknown but probably exceeding six thousand at the time of report. Fireblood machinery has also been spotted, from smaller guns to shatter infantry ranks, to large siege weapons. Damdamian banner was spotted amongst the troops, along with Damedian holy flag. Some of the cavalry bore crests of wheat oars, emblem of Spania."
"When did your agents spot the army movements?"
"Five days ago, the report was delivered with haste by fastest of horse riders." You furrow your brow.
So that would be it. Damdamian Republic, no doubt answering Damedian call for crusade against Methiant, is moving through Rucusian territory, possibly having secured passage through their lands.
You decide to...
A) Call the war council immediately.
B) Meet with the returned courier first.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 14, 2019, 04:40:05 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2019, 04:43:12 pm
We have CHA and an artifact. We should be able to handle any of Hellistes concerns reguarding succession.
Post by: Haspen on February 14, 2019, 04:57:20 pm
He gives you the letter of reply, which you skim through.
The court of Ciri and Brynwald rejected your appointment! Astrid, whilst adult and capable of making her own choice, has been bethroted to one of the younger sons of High King of Albion, and her new home is in the north, not the south. As such, she cannot be future Empress of Methiant.
Curiously, they don't seem to have provided an alternative. Maybe they don't want to join the mighty Methiantese domain by marriage?
Anyways, you have decisions to make!
A) Yep, time to call in the war council and talk about inevitable war with Damdamia.
B) Indeed, time to call in the court and make a new appointment of Methiantese heir.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 14, 2019, 04:59:15 pm
Alright. Lets just name our wife or mother, and be done with it.
Post by: Prophet on February 14, 2019, 05:11:04 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 14, 2019, 05:13:30 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 14, 2019, 05:22:54 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 14, 2019, 05:26:07 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 15, 2019, 12:53:30 am
With only half of the courtiers in the hall, you explain that due to inevitable war with Damdamia - on which you will elaborate soon - you need to designate a heir right away. Your noblemen and advisors murmur loudly before the Advisor brings peace to the court with the iron ball.
During the council, the title of heir to the throne goes to...
A) Your eldest son, Luthas.
B) Your eldest daughter, Segeda.
C) Your youngest son, Yoe.
D) Your youngest daughter, Aife.
E) Your mother, Queen Mother Wilhemina.
F) Your aunt, Cylia.
G) Your aunt, Queen Mother Ciri of Helliste.
H) Your cousin, King Brynwald of Helliste, son of Ciri.
I) Your cousin, Astrid of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
J) Your cousin, Brynwalda of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
K) Your cousin, Alfdis of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
L) Your great-half-uncle, Deathan.
M) Your half-uncle, Duach, son of Deathan.
N) Your half-cousin, newborn Bjern, son of Duach.
O) Your half-uncle, Houlandin, son of Deathan.
Post by: ZBridges on February 15, 2019, 01:20:27 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 15, 2019, 01:24:09 am
Post by: helmacon on February 15, 2019, 01:26:37 am
Post by: auzewasright on February 15, 2019, 07:34:46 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 15, 2019, 10:12:39 am
Post by: Prophet on February 15, 2019, 12:14:58 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 15, 2019, 12:20:20 pm
Post by: dragonblaze007 on February 15, 2019, 03:19:01 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 15, 2019, 03:34:23 pm
Our eldest is 5-6 years, meaning if we die in battle next month there will be (at best) a decade-long time skip while Haspen
Whereas with an adult heir to step in right away we will have only ourselves to blame
Post by: omada on February 15, 2019, 11:01:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2019, 12:39:06 pm
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You name Houlandin, son of Deathan, as your designated heir. There's some grumbling about designating someone from such a 'side' branch of the dynasty, but the designation is accepted with no protests.
Next morning, the war council gathers. The Advisor, the Marshal, the Spymaster, many high officials and officers arrive to convene with you about the quite possible Damdamian invasion. The Spymaster repeats what his agents have learned, with additional update; now at least ten thousand Damdamians, at least two-thirds infantry, are within borders of Kingdom of Rucus.
"We should strike pre-emptively into lands of Rucus." The Marshal says, "Rucusians are basically Damdamians living on the fringelands, we ought to get rid of them too. Two birds, one stone!" The Advisor scoffs.
"What we need to do is rally our friends and family. Helliste, maybe even Albion and Eldrican would be willing to lend us a hand. I also believe that we should send more spies to Rucus, or even diplomats to their court. Hopefully more detailed information will be obtained as to the actual purpose of the army in Rucus."
"M'liege," the Spymaster interjects, "What we do not know is the actual size and capabilities of armies within Damdamia. How many countries did they gather under their banner? How much of reserve force they have? How many allies willing to strike us as well? Rucus can be observed by border guards, its Damdamian heartlands that must be infiltrated and scouted."
Other officials also give the ideas of calling Sim Empire, which is situated at Damdamian east, for help, or even rallying Cult of Pantheon to provide arms and soldiers of faith to defend against southern heathens. Short time is spent debating the idea of requesting support from Dwarves, who for sure are not friends of Damedian worshippers.
There's many things to decide:
First of all, the first move...
A) We will invade Rucus to deal with Damdamian army before it fully assembles!
B) We will gather our armies on southern border, to be ready for the storm when it comes!
Secondly, spies and diplomats...
A) We will send spies and diplomats to Rucus.
B) We will send spies to Damdamia, and diplomats to Rucus.
C) We will send spies and diplomats to Damdamia.
As for emergency mobilization...
A) We need all the men and preparedness we can get!
B) No need for that now, it will only anger the commoners.
As for help from foreign countries...
A) Methiant is strong, and needs no outside help!
B) We will ask Kingdom of Helliste for help.
C) We will ask Eldrican Kingdom for help.
D) We will ask Sim Empire for help.
E) We will ask the Dwarves for help.
//Don't forget, a post without all votes is invalid and thus doesn't count!
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2019, 01:03:49 pm
As for allies, we know Sim is planning on fucking with Damdamia. We might as well give him an excuse to start.
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Edit: I missed the part where it said there was 10k of em. Still think their plan is more likely to bait us into doing something dumb.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 18, 2019, 01:26:45 pm
C - Little point going to Rucus at the same time as we attack.
A - We have some happiness to spare, and a reserve force to handle their counter move wouldn't hurt.
E - After our recent deal the Dwarves are at their most amenable. Sim is another good choice but I think dwarves first.
This update says ten thousand southern troops, up from before. I can see an tiny chance that they are aiming at Eldrican instead (explaining why Feir is trying to find a marriage alliance to his west after we were previously told his daughters are promised to Rucus), but I think we should strike before their numbers swell further. Damdamians already despise us, we lose little playing it this way.
Sim's plan involves building up a cavalry force for four more years; we're friendly but I don't trust him to advance his timetable that much. Dwarves, if they help at all, should be willing right now. Send a message to Sim next time we get a choice.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2019, 01:38:37 pm
A - Our Army is full, waiting benefits them more than us.
C - Little point going to Rucus at the same time as we attack.
A - We have some happiness to spare, and a reserve force to handle their counter move wouldn't hurt.
E - After our recent deal the Dwarves are at their most amenable. Sim is another good choice but I think dwarves first.
This update says ten thousand southern troops, up from before. I can see an tiny chance that they are aiming at Eldrican instead (explaining why Feir is trying to find a marriage alliance to his west after we were previously told his daughters are promised to Rucus), but I think we should strike before their numbers swell further. Damdamians already despise us, we lose little playing it this way.
Sim's plan involves building up a cavalry force for four more years; we're friendly but I don't trust him to advance his timetable that much. Dwarves, if they help at all, should be willing right now. Send a message to Sim next time we get a choice.
That option is viable, but kicks off a major world war for sure. Eldrican isn't just going to let us march into their ally. I'm not sure we can beat the Southerners and Eldrican at the same time, and would rather wait to see if Sim's invasion gives us the opportunity to isolate Eldrican.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 18, 2019, 01:49:43 pm
A - Our Army is full, waiting benefits them more than us.Invading Rucus would mean that we'd also fight against Lamentania as they're allied to each other, then there's also Eldrican who may decide that this is the time to remember that they wanted to invade us. Assuming Eldrican doesn't invade, we'd be at war with at least 3 different countries, more if the Damdamian bloc teams up to face off against Methiantese aggression.
C - Little point going to Rucus at the same time as we attack.
A - We have some happiness to spare, and a reserve force to handle their counter move wouldn't hurt.
E - After our recent deal the Dwarves are at their most amenable. Sim is another good choice but I think dwarves first.
This update says ten thousand southern troops, up from before. I can see an tiny chance that they are aiming at Eldrican instead (explaining why Feir is trying to find a marriage alliance to his west after we were previously told his daughters are promised to Rucus), but I think we should strike before their numbers swell further. Damdamians already despise us, we lose little playing it this way.
Sim's plan involves building up a cavalry force for four more years; we're friendly but I don't trust him to advance his timetable that much. Dwarves, if they help at all, should be willing right now. Send a message to Sim next time we get a choice.
Asking the Dwarves for help is going to be costly, asking Sim for help instead is an overall better decision, we share the same enemies and their supply of Methiantese horses could be threatened due to the war.
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Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 18, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2019, 01:55:57 pm
We should avoid being the ones to start a world war. Waiting is a political gain, as we can claim we are defending ourselves against unjust aggression.
Information is necessary, hence sending agents to both Rucus and Damedania.
Let's save our Happiness for now. We have plenty of Army to stall with. If we need more we can call for it when the war starts for real.
I'm honestly not sure between Dwarves and Sim, but we know Sim is already inclined towards a war against Damed, so he'll probably join in regardless. Trying to convince the dwarves seems to be more worth it.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 18, 2019, 02:00:40 pm
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We should avoid being the ones to start a world war. Waiting is a political gain, as we can claim we are defending ourselves against unjust aggression.
Information is necessary, hence sending agents to both Rucus and Damedania.
Let's save our Happiness for now. We have plenty of Army to stall with. If we need more we can call for it when the war starts for real.
I'm honestly not sure between Dwarves and Sim, but we know Sim is already inclined towards a war against Damed, so he'll probably join in regardless. Trying to convince the dwarves seems to be more worth it.
Dwarves are likely to be more expensive. I remember when we were helping Eldrican fight the horse tribes during Cyl's reign, Eldrican had to give the dwarves land in exchange for their aid. The dwarves may ask us to forgive their 60 econ debt from the recent land purcahse in exchange for their aid, and get offended when/if we don't accept their terms.
The Dwarves are also still friendly with Eldrican, according to a recent post in the lore thread. I'm sure they would fight the Damned's children if properly motivated, I'm not sure they want any part of a war between Eldrican and Methiant-Cydwyl. Our two nations border or surround almost all of their settlements, so that war would not be good for them.
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2019, 03:00:48 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 18, 2019, 04:37:31 pm
Post by: Taricus on February 18, 2019, 07:09:50 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 18, 2019, 10:55:32 pm
The longer they stay in Rucus the better chance they reenact some real crusades and start burning things down randomly and fighting the king of Rucus instead of us.
Post by: Pavellius on February 19, 2019, 02:35:23 am
BBAD
Post by: melkor on February 19, 2019, 05:21:48 am
Post by: omada on February 19, 2019, 06:16:10 pm
I laughed on the option to call the eldrican "they will surely answer, on their behalf"
Just thinking, we should begin to adopt the act to elect someone from our bloodline to enter the church as an tradition, say that we are doing this because Cyl's reign was blessed and he did had a kid as a priest
after some time our whole family will have closer ties with the clerk, and maybe even a yoean archbishop
Post by: Weirdsound on February 19, 2019, 06:19:15 pm
BBBB (although I think we should call helliste AND dwarves, If we are going to mobilizate the people we should use the church to do this for us)
I laughed on the option to call the eldrican "they will surely answer, on their behalf"
Just thinking, we should begin to adopt the act to elect someone from our bloodline to enter the church as an tradition, say that we are doing this because Cyl's reign was blessed and he did had a kid as a priest
after some time our whole family will have closer ties with the clerk, and maybe even a yoean archbishop
I mean, we have CHA, WIS, and a strong army. If we survive our brush with the Damned worshipers, I could see Houlandin III eventually going full Henry VIII and just making the Monarch head of the chruch.
Post by: Taricus on February 19, 2019, 09:13:56 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 24, 2019, 07:22:35 am
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You decide to station the Army on the southern border, send spies to Damdamia and diplomats to Rucus. A delegation is sent to Sim Empire, with request for help.
1217 AD, Late Summer
The Marshal reports that bulk of the Army is now in Eval or at border with Lametania.
Diplomats send news; apparently, Rucus and the Republic are simply dealing with bandit problem within Rucusian borders. None but the most unintelligent of your courtiers believe this.
The Spymaster brings information; counting up previous numbers with those spotted marching through northern Damdamia, the apparent invasion force now numbers twenty thousand.
1217 AD, Autumn
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2to5, 1, 0!*
Springwine and glassware brought smol profits this year also.
The worse situation is with t'chai leaves. The recent shortages of these aromatic leaves have not only brought loses to the merchants' pockets, they also believe that it might be Eldrican court that is curtailing their efforts in the west.
The merchant princes want to talk about the t'chai trade, and the Spymaster wants to deliver another of his reports.
Just as you start to consider whom to talk with, the guards report that the messenger sent to the east has returned with a response from Emperor Mahjar Sim.
"'The Emperor himself stands with the Methiantese dynasts, his and the Empire's most loyal of friends and comrades, but he is unable to send help, for Simian army is needed elsewhere.'"
You decide to...
A) Speak with the Spymaster.
B) Listen to the merchant princes.
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 24, 2019, 07:25:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on February 24, 2019, 08:00:44 am
Post by: Prophet on February 24, 2019, 09:45:05 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2019, 10:50:04 am
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 12:32:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 24, 2019, 03:35:00 pm
"M'liege, an urgent report from Damdamian borderlands. Both Spanian and Cadian banners have been spotted alongside the fresh Damdamian troops. Our estimates now put their combined forces at nearly thirty thousand, sire, with half of those numbers already in Rucus."
A) "Thanks for the report, keep me posted."
B) "Find my officers, we're attacking Rucus at once!"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 24, 2019, 03:36:10 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 05:02:09 pm
No fresh option to try and call in other factions?
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2019, 05:54:35 pm
Why do you keep waiting to face them all at once? Who do you think you're going to impress for this 'political' victory?
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 24, 2019, 05:59:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 06:29:26 pm
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Why do you keep waiting to face them all at once? Who do you think you're going to impress for this 'political' victory?
I'm 90% sure Eldrican is waiting for us to 'invade' their ally, so they can invade us. I have a feeling their involvement, or lack thereof, decides this war.
Our army is at least 30k. We have a troop boosting artifact, a training edict, probably superior equipment (Damdaimian lands are mineral poor), probably superior fireblood weapons (we have a fireblood court), recently revamped and modernized forts, and a Martial Leader. We should be able to swat aside a force of equal or even somewhat greater size that is dumb enough to march into our lands and challenge our armies.
Eldrican has access to massive hordes of men (they tamed the Horse Steeps, a faction that took the combined might of us, them, and the Dwarves to defeat), and fireblood that is likely closer in power to our own (they are a Western State and fireblood is a Western invention). Without the Gubtans, I really don't like our odds if they open a Western front on us while we are fighting to the South, so we should absolutely not give them an excuse.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2019, 07:41:28 pm
I'm 90% sure Eldrican is waiting for us to 'invade' their ally, so they can invade us.
I simply don't believe your analysis of Eldrican motives.
You said the same when you thought it was only 4,000 troops and couldn't be a threat except as a feint. Now it's 30,000 troops lining up but I'm so glad to hear this ISN'T the promised Damdamian Crusade. It's still just Eldrican machinations to make us look bad.
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a training edictPast Damdamian armies have had equal training thanks to the legacy of the former Empire. At least some of the banners reported are those of national armies.
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probably superior equipment (Damdaimian lands are mineral poor), probably superior fireblood weapons (we have a fireblood court), recently revamped and modernized forts,I'll grant these, although I note the probably in there (see military legacy of Empire, above).
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and a Martial Leader.It would hardly be the first time our opponents do as well. The more armies assemble, the more likely some of the commanders are equally competent.
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We should be able to swat aside a force of equal or even somewhat greater size that is dumb enough to march into our lands and challenge our armies.I think we should win defensively if the numbers don't swell any further, depending on the rolls. But I'd still expect better odds and more of our boys left alive when fighting two 15K armies than one of 30K (or more).
I'll sweeten the deal by stipulating that I have no desire at all to conquer and keep Rucus. Swat them down, bring everyone back home. Let's repurpose our diplomats and spies to spreading that message in southern lands and maybe some of the rulers down there will obliquely reward us for removing a troublesome fanatic element.
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 08:39:22 pm
I'm 90% sure Eldrican is waiting for us to 'invade' their ally, so they can invade us.
I simply don't believe your analysis of Eldrican motives.
You said the same when you thought it was only 4,000 troops and couldn't be a threat except as a feint. Now it's 30,000 troops lining up but I'm so glad to hear this ISN'T the promised Damdamian Crusade. It's still just Eldrican machinations to make us look bad.
Okay, I phrased that wrong. Eldrican isn't waiting to invade us. Rucus is waiting for an excuse to call Eldrican.
At this point it is a full crusade. No denying that. Eldrican does not like us and they have a formal alliance with Rucus/Lamentia. I don't think they are mobilizing though (we'd be getting intel about Eldrican mobilizing if they were mobilizing). I don't know why; Perhaps our rotten cousin wants his friends to do all the work, before swooping in to take the crown after the war. If we invade their ally, they might not have a choice but to get involved.
Look at it from the crusaders perspective; We have a massive, well trained army that is mostly defensive heavy infantry on the border. We have nasty border forts. A good chunk of that border is river, if I recall correctly. Unless they are stupid, they are not going to simply rush across the border. They need a scheme. Getting Eldrican involved is the most probable scheme.
Stalling also doesn't favor them. Crusaders, historically, are not the most well behaved people. I would not want a standing army of 30k foreign zealots hanging around my territory even if they were my allies. Also, if they take too long, we might get opportunities to try calling more allies or use our spies to fuck with them.
QuoteWe have a troop boosting artifactThey have religious fervor.Quotea training edictPast Damdamian armies have had equal training thanks to the legacy of the former Empire. At least some of the banners reported are those of national armies.Quoteprobably superior equipment (Damdaimian lands are mineral poor), probably superior fireblood weapons (we have a fireblood court), recently revamped and modernized forts,I'll grant these, although I note the probably in there (see military legacy of Empire, above).Quoteand a Martial Leader.It would hardly be the first time our opponents do as well. The more armies assemble, the more likely some of the commanders are equally competent.
It would seem that you read up on the time Houlandin I attacked Rucus/Lamentia. In case you don't recall, WE LOST THAT WAR! I don't see how that goes better for us now that they have a bunch of foreigners helping them out.
The way I see it, it breaks down three ways:
Them attacking without Eldrican - favors us.
Them waiting - favors us
Us attacking without more factors in our favor - favors them, and probably drags Eldrican in to boot.
I'll sweeten the deal by stipulating that I have no desire at all to conquer and keep Rucus. Swat them down, bring everyone back home. Let's repurpose our diplomats and spies to spreading that message in southern lands and maybe some of the rulers down there will obliquely reward us for removing a troublesome fanatic element.
If we do invade and win, we need to give those lands to our Vassal Eval. Historically, they have a claim to Lamentia, and likely have a similar claim to the former duchies of Lamentia that Rucus has annexed. Praticailly it would create a nice buffer state between us and further Damdamian aggression.
Post by: omada on February 24, 2019, 09:10:48 pm
Post by: Chevaleresse on February 24, 2019, 09:15:40 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2019, 09:26:51 pm
Waiting is in our favor so long as the 30K are all that are coming; if they start to seriously outnumber us then it's back to a toss of the die. I think you are giving these 'Crusaders' too much credit for sneakiness; they believe Damed is on their side, why do they need to resort to shenanigans? For that matter, why assume that Eldrican would only be involved via a diplomatic 'excuse' ploy rather than from being co-religionists and hating our guts and seeing us weakened?
I think we ought to bop the mini-horde in Rucus, which should be straightforward given our apparent numbers advantage if we hurry, then strategically withdraw and let our southern defenses stand off the remainder. We can then react as prudent if Eldrican does respond. We'll see how those Steppe Hordes fare when they're off the steppe. And, oh, WE WON THAT WAR.
There's no reason to think we wouldn't get another chance to call allies if a new player enters the scene.
Post by: Taricus on February 24, 2019, 09:30:54 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 24, 2019, 09:36:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on February 24, 2019, 09:48:52 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 09:54:45 pm
Waiting is in our favor so long as the 30K are all that are coming; if they start to seriously outnumber us then it's back to a toss of the die. I think you are giving these 'Crusaders' too much credit for sneakiness; they believe Damed is on their side, why do they need to resort to shenanigans? For that matter, why assume that Eldrican would only be involved via a diplomatic 'excuse' ploy rather than from being co-religionists and hating our guts and seeing us weakened?
I think we ought to bop the mini-horde in Rucus, which should be straightforward given our apparent numbers advantage if we hurry, then strategically withdraw and let our southern defenses stand off the remainder. We can then react as prudent if Eldrican does respond. We'll see how those Steppe Hordes fare when they're off the steppe. And, oh, WE WON THAT WAR.
I actually very much like the way you think here, but our army is traditionally based upon heavy infantry, which isn't the best comp for the sort of blitzkrieg you are suggesting. I'm not willing to bet our troops could move quick enough to pull that off.
Waiting is in our favor so long as the 30K are all that are coming; if they start to seriously outnumber us then it's back to a toss of the die. I think you are giving these 'Crusaders' too much credit for sneakiness; they believe Damed is on their side, why do they need to resort to shenanigans? For that matter, why assume that Eldrican would only be involved via a diplomatic 'excuse' ploy rather than from being co-religionists and hating our guts and seeing us weakened?
If they don't want shenanigans, they are more than welcome to grind themselves down on our defenses. What I've been trying to articulate this whole time is that I'm fairly confident that this war favors the side on defense. Especially if the side on defense is a wall of pikes and guns.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 24, 2019, 09:59:16 pm
We have more than one eye tho now. Also, we have a sword artifact.
Ah, my turn to have phrased things poorly. Fighting while one-eyed was a contributing factor in the earlier loss that, for the reasons you point out, I think we can avoid this time.
If they don't want shenanigans, they are more than welcome to grind themselves down on our defenses. What I've been trying to articulate this whole time is that I'm fairly confident that this war favors the side on defense. Especially if the side on defense is a wall of pikes and guns.
My concern is on par with your speculation that Eldrican may be waiting to swoop in and take the crown. We will be ground down, too, if we fight in even numbers; we will have to fight open battles, there are too many of them to let them have run of the countryside. I think moving quickly against an inferior foe (and our training regimen darn well better include infantry marches; we're already mobilized to the border, right?) is our best move to preserve our fighting forces for the next enemy.
Post by: ZBridges on February 24, 2019, 10:47:17 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 24, 2019, 11:03:01 pm
If they don't want shenanigans, they are more than welcome to grind themselves down on our defenses. What I've been trying to articulate this whole time is that I'm fairly confident that this war favors the side on defense. Especially if the side on defense is a wall of pikes and guns.
My concern is on par with your speculation that Eldrican may be waiting to swoop in and take the crown. We will be ground down, too, if we fight in even numbers; we will have to fight open battles, there are too many of them to let them have run of the countryside. I think moving quickly against an inferior foe (and our training regimen darn well better include infantry marches; we're already mobilized to the border, right?) is our best move to preserve our fighting forces for the next enemy.
That is the problem. Honestly, our position is not as strong as the 11 army suggests it is. We are like Poland in WWII, if Nazi's and Soviets genuinely liked each other.
If we try to rush in and can't pull your stunt off fast enough, Eldrican joins the war and we are fucked.
If we wait, and Eldrican decides to join the war during or just after we fight the Damdamins, we are also fucked.
Honestly, unless we get stupidly lucky with our war rolls, we will likely have to-
A: Call another ally (likely the dwarves, which will be expensive)
B: Use our CHA to give the Damdamians a favorable peace deal (We convert, pay some money, use the conviently gathered crusaders to win the civil war that will come from betraying our state religion) (Might be difficult, seeing as the crusade seem to be aimed at destroying our family)
C: Use our CHA bonus to offer our wicked cousin the crown (He is a blood relitive, so giving him the throne shouldn't end the game. It would suck to lose our CHA/MART/WIS character though)
Post by: mightymushroom on February 25, 2019, 11:53:51 am
You agreed that my plan sounds good for paring down the Damdamian Crusade. Don't let fear of past threats that never materialized prevent us from taking the tactically and strategically sound course against the foe of today. I should have thought of this point sooner: what better way to take the shine off the Crusade and convince stragglers that it isn't blessed by Damed after all, than to punch down the leading fighters while there are still in their own lands? Let them start looting us and it will only encourage the whole of the south to follow.
If we try to rush in and can't pull your stunt off fast enough,
"There is no try."
Our soldiers are trained and drilled. They are already at the border of the target. We will do this.
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2019, 01:14:08 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 25, 2019, 01:33:34 pm
bbb
You thank the Spymaster for the news, but decide not to act upon them.
Next you meet with the merchant princes.
They bemoan their losses and the unprofitable trade of t'chai with the westerners. The prices are too low to make a profit, and those who pay a lot quickly demand refunds because they find the quality of leaves lacking. The royal court of Eldrican and its merchants are very stringent with taxation and they always find new ways to pester your own merchants.
The bunch is very loud and obnoxious, so you wouldn't find it unbelievable if their customers are just fed up with their babblings mouths.
"In conclusion, the trade with Eldrican was a failure, Emperor!" One of their leaders cries out loud.
A) "Then sell more to the peoples of Methiant."
B) "Fret not, for my diplomats will find you a better place to sell your imported leaves at."
C) "I will send a letter to my cousins in Eldrican to discuss this matter."
D) "Then I will inform Emperor Mahjar Sim that we do not need as much t'chai leaves as before."
Post by: Weirdsound on February 25, 2019, 01:37:14 pm
Helliste and Albion both seem like valid targets.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 25, 2019, 01:51:33 pm
B
Post by: ZBridges on February 25, 2019, 01:55:16 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on February 25, 2019, 02:20:10 pm
No option to reinstate Imperial Trade Commission to counter Eldrican taxes?
B
That would fuck with the Simians as much as it would fuck with the Eldrican.
Post by: Haspen on February 25, 2019, 02:35:55 pm
Three nights later, you're waken up by startled guards. Damdamians have invaded Empire of Methiant!
Banners of Damedia, Damdamian Republic, Cadia and Spania flutter above the heavy infantry with melee weaponry and firetubes. There's light cavalry armed with Fireblood weapons and heavy lancers, plated in shiny steel from their heads to hooves of their mounts. Large siege engines using Fireblood are towed behind the columns, although its seems Damdamians they have much less of smaller pieces that would be used against infantry formation.
As the chandeliers are lit up and the war council commences, the exhausted messengers bring more news; the forces in Rucus rushed into Duchy of Eval, destroying settlements and besieging numerous fortifications. About half of their numbers however are marching alongside the border with Lametania, no doubt to invade Methiantese soil proper.
Battle plans are set in motion, and there are two answers you have to give, one to the Diplomatic Corps, the other to the Marshal.
First, who do you call for help?
A) None, Empire of Methiant stands strong!
B) The Dwarves.
C) Eldrican Kingdom.
D) Kingdom of Helliste.
Secondly, do you want to fight personally?
A) No, I will stay at the capital.
B) Get me my sword already!
Spoiler: Memery inside (click to show/hide)
Post by: mightymushroom on February 25, 2019, 02:38:23 pm
I don't think we're desperate enough for dwarves just yet; we don't get our martial bonus by hanging back.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 25, 2019, 02:38:45 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on February 25, 2019, 02:57:04 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 25, 2019, 04:00:15 pm
B
Post by: Weirdsound on February 25, 2019, 04:41:15 pm
Hiring the dwarves will be costly, but is our best chance of keeping Eldrican out of the war, as Eldrican has good relations with them. If we pay the dwarves to garrison our Western border, our wicked cousin would have to fight through his own friends to get to us.
Also, no option to send our genius Martial uncle? It looks like there are two fronts. We could use two generals.
Post by: ZBridges on February 25, 2019, 04:43:33 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 25, 2019, 05:59:46 pm
Post by: omada on February 26, 2019, 02:26:39 pm
I don't know if the dwarves would protect us against eldrican
against damdamians? yes, but eldrican...
Post by: auzewasright on February 26, 2019, 08:51:30 pm
Post by: auzewasright on February 26, 2019, 08:56:55 pm
DBAlso, remember Maxim 6: "If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it".
Post by: helmacon on February 26, 2019, 10:13:30 pm
DB
Post by: Baffler on February 28, 2019, 12:11:59 am
Post by: omada on February 28, 2019, 05:40:27 pm
DB. We should keep B in mind if our economy is doing okay though, the dwarves owe us a lot of money after all.
owe us? I think it's the other way around
Post by: Baffler on February 28, 2019, 05:58:13 pm
Post by: omada on February 28, 2019, 08:45:09 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 28, 2019, 09:10:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 01, 2019, 04:33:13 pm
bb bb
You send a messenger to Kingdom of Helliste, and declare that you will lead men into the war!
You bid farewell to your wife and kids, grab the shaft and the sword and the necklace, and listen to cheering of the capital's citizenry as they watch your troop ride through the streets, towards the southern gate.
Congratulations! Houlandin III has embarked upon a military campaign!
Ten days later, you arrive at the main camp of your army.
The situation is as follows: Duchy of Eval has been overrun by Damedian zealots. Temples and holy sites of Pantheon are being burnt and pillaged, commonfolk is being subjected to cruelty and forced conversions. An army of ten thousand 'holy' Damedian warriors and mercenaries does as it pleases in the countryside, and the Council of Princes has fled the capital of the Duchy and most of its members are hiding even from your messengers.
Majority of invading army, however, is marching right towards the Methiantese Army. Led by a renowned general Caius Cuscus, known for his martial prowess and four decades of experience, it seems they want to crush your forces in one battle and then begin conquering. His army is made of almost twenty thousand troops, highly trained and well equipped. Most of Damdamian cavalry and Fireblood machinery is with Caius' forces. Altogether, it seems your Army has slight numerical advantage.
Spies report that there's at least another six-to-eight thousand infantry and auxiliaries marching through Rucus, with more being rallied, camped and outfitted at Rucusian-Damdamian borders.
Your diplomats, sent to court of Rucus, has gone silent. Probably something very unpleasant happened to them.
The Marshal salutes you as the high command gathers for battle preparations.
You decide to...
A) Send a messenger to negotiate with Caius Cuscus. Surely bloodshed can be avoided.
B) Deploy the army in square formation, to make best use of your drilled infantry troops.
C) Send a challenge to Caius Cuscus, demanding a duel!!
D) Mass the army at some easily defensible position, to make best use of Fireblood bombardments.
E) Deploy the army in sprawling formations, to make best use of cavalry and flanking.
F) Retreat northeasternly, to stall the inevitable confrontation date.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 01, 2019, 04:42:32 pm
Edit: you know what. I like our odds fighting too. The only thing they have to equal us is a martial leader and perhaps equal lifeblood. Martial Disclipline, artifact, and manpower are all in our favor. It is the age of fireblood, so let's give our firblood the advantage.
Im changing my vote to D.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on March 01, 2019, 04:56:05 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 01, 2019, 05:21:13 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 01, 2019, 05:28:04 pm
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Post by: melkor on March 02, 2019, 03:06:45 am
Post by: auzewasright on March 02, 2019, 09:53:19 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 04, 2019, 02:56:30 pm
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You amass your forces at a trio of nearby hills.
This position will let you form a wall of infantry that protects the Fireblood machines that shall bombard the enemy, but it will be an inflexible formation with the cavalry having little to say.
The enemy approaches from two sides by the next hour; southwest and west, no doubt having tried to flank you. Seeing your troops so deposited on the uphills, they must've given up on the idea.
You raise your sword and begin initial bombardment just as the enemy approaches the hills.
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It has little effect! The enemy deeper ranks are far from the blast zones, and only the small troops of skirmishers and vanguard are decimated by the early fire.
It's when you notice that the enemy is using cavalry to ride around the hills!
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The lightning-fast movements of light cavalry, showering your front lines with lead bolts shot by their Firetubes (or whatever Damdamian equivalent that is) cannot be easily matched by your infantry, which has trouble shooting accurately; your artillery can't even turn that fast to direct its fire!
Hundreds are picked off by the Damdamian mounted skirmishers before your officers raise an alarm - a great wedge of heavy cavalry, armed with axes and long lances, is running up the hill to smash through the most-thinned-out of your lines!
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The wedge smashes into your infantry lines, but this time its your troops that have upper hand. The cavalry soon loses its momentum and is bogged in a heavy melee, shots swishing above men's head as axes chop and spears stab, men screaming and horses whinning.
The fighting is inconclusive at the moment, but both sides certainly bleed. What to do?
A) I will inspire my men to do better by joining the frontlines!
B) I will strengthen the forces fighting in the melee with troops from other sides!
C) I will use my cavalry to reinforce the frontlines!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 04, 2019, 03:15:46 pm
Their calvary is already committed, so we shouldn't have to worry about further flanking from them. A is too risky, and Haspen said our own cavalry is in a bad position, so C is sub-optimal.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 04, 2019, 04:49:54 pm
The way I'm reading Haspen's statement, our cavalry isn't able to sweep or flank because of how we're set up atop the hills, it's too defensive; that doesn't mean they aren't able to join the battle line. But I agree that sending them to the brawl in the center is probably not the best use. Let's draw from the wings for now, the cavalry can reinforce those if we miscalculate.
In any case, protect the artillery, keep it ready to blast their infantry if they dare come closer.
Post by: ZBridges on March 04, 2019, 04:56:07 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 04, 2019, 05:19:14 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 06, 2019, 05:26:54 am
enveloping the calvary is good
Post by: Haspen on March 06, 2019, 03:37:30 pm
You decide to call the footsoldiers from other location to help battle the wedge!
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It seems it was a wise decision! The massed forces under your banner's shaft easily overwhelm the Damdamian horsemen, who are crushed and pushed away from the hillside, retreating in numbers.
But then officers tell you that the enemy is advancing from the other side! Light cavalry is pelting your rear with shots as the massed columns run up the hill. Thanks to how easily you repelled the attack of the lancers, you easily divert and mobilize the troops to deal with the new threat.
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This attack is also repelled; shortly after the melee begins, the enemy turns and runs! Your cavalry goes after them, cutting down the ones who were too slow to get to the safety.
Bodies, mostly clad in Damdamian colors, are strewn by hundreds in both front and rear of your positions. The sentries report that the enemies are in full, but organized retreat, most of them already outside the range of your Fireblood machinery. Your officers are eager to pursue and continue the fighting, however.
A) No, we shall regroup and recuperate.
B) Yeah! Pursue and cut them all down!
Post by: Weirdsound on March 06, 2019, 03:45:47 pm
It looks like the Damdamians are down to just their +2 Martial Bonus. Bring it home boys!
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 06, 2019, 04:07:01 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 06, 2019, 04:22:16 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 06, 2019, 04:25:29 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 06, 2019, 04:32:58 pm
A - This is an orderly retreat, so they will likely be able to turn and strike army forces we send after them. Better to handle this carefully.
I agree with that to a point, but I think we should risk it here. If we let them get away, they rejoin with their forces in Eval, Rucus, and Lamentia and become a substantial threat once again. Best we take some losses if we have to, defeat their main force here, and mop up the rest.
Post by: Baffler on March 06, 2019, 05:39:00 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 06, 2019, 06:02:02 pm
Sounds like we swarmed over pretty much all their cavalry, without really committing ours. Perfect.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 06, 2019, 06:09:38 pm
B
Sounds like we swarmed over pretty much all their cavalry, without really committing ours. Perfect.
Indeed. Our riders probably get sacrificed here and now though, taking the brunt of the crusader counterattack until our foot-soldiers catch up. Small price to pay if we can end their main army though.
Post by: melkor on March 07, 2019, 12:38:15 pm
Post by: Pavellius on March 07, 2019, 12:45:11 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 07, 2019, 03:13:25 pm
Post by: omada on March 07, 2019, 10:59:02 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 07, 2019, 11:37:57 pm
Our riders are rested and can harass then while our troop move, while in eval let's use the chance to make a peasant's mobilization for freedom and revenge B
We have to be real careful about riling up the peasants of Eval. They might want to counter-invade Rucus/Lamentia, which would drag in Eldrican, and leave us fighting a two front war with a depleted army.
Right now I think we need to drive the crusaders out, and hope to find some sort of short term peace deal/armistice. I see no means by which we can go on the offensive without fighting half our neighbors.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 07, 2019, 11:46:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 08, 2019, 09:19:32 am
Right now I think we need to drive the crusaders out, and hope to find some sort of short term peace deal/armistice. I see no means by which we can go on the offensive without fighting half our neighbors.
Our history negotiating with the zealots doesn't give us much reason to expect good outcomes, from our point of view – like us, they tend to want what they want and not sign unless they get it. I'm half minded to give them the diplomatic silent treatment: think about it, these nations from the south just backed a big Crusade, sent their elite soldiers under an elite commander, and then those guys never come back. We may have a psychological edge to exploit. We shouldn't act as if we're scared, what if instead we leave the Crusade open and hanging there, daring them to try again with their second best?
As you say, there's no good path for us offensively, so our army should keep renewing itself. I believe Haspen, probably in the lore thread, said that the dwarves had taught the Damdamians to "respect the beard," and in this thread we heard that the presumed enemies now cooperate on vaulting. If our victorious rolls continue in this campaign, this our chance to do the same.
(And yes, the counter argument is that it could backfire and they send a 100K mob thirsty for revenge. I only said half minded, we've got to see some concrete numbers on our forces first.)
Post by: Haspen on March 08, 2019, 05:35:33 pm
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But it was a feint! The enemy's first line turned around to mount spears and pikes against the ground, letting their fellows run behind them. Then the bombardment started; the Damdamian artillery, silent so far - fact which has escaped your attention - had more than enough time to prepare the powder cakes and load the heavy iron balls. Horses and men scream and the Methiantese eagles on your officers' shirts disappear in smoke and bodies. Before ever you can order a retreat of the cavalry, your horsemen turn around and flee toward the hills.
A) The infantry will follow-up, we can break through the pike wall!
B) We have height advantange! We can counter-bombard them, yeah!
C) Well, it was worth a try. Let's catch some Z's now?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 08, 2019, 05:38:44 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 08, 2019, 05:43:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 08, 2019, 06:23:33 pm
the Damdamian artillery, silent so far - fact which has escaped your attention - had more than enough time to prepare the powder cakes and load the heavy iron balls.
I had a thing written out where I worried about a trap and mentioned that we hadn't touched their artillery . . . but I was voting to charge anyway, so I backspaced.
B
Post by: omada on March 08, 2019, 07:32:58 pm
-Content devoured by the great duck-
Even that we aren't supposed to invade and survive we should write yet some kind of letter saying that "We DEMAND compensation, be creative" this way we can at least weaken then enough and make easier for the Sim to attack
or just roll then on negotiations long enough for our allies to have a chance to arrive and then we get numbers enough to defend against a possible second offensive
I am pretty sure that eldrican is marching right now
B
Post by: birdy51 on March 08, 2019, 08:36:30 pm
Artillery aside, I'm thinking we were mostly ducked by rolling a 1 on that last roll. Probably some sort of cosmic justice after doing so well in the last skirmish.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 08, 2019, 09:43:03 pm
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I wouldn't be so sure. We'd likely have gotten Intel regarding them mobilizing if they had concrete plans to join the war.
Post by: helmacon on March 08, 2019, 10:41:43 pm
we rolled a two though, and the Calvary fled, so assumedly we get some back after the battle.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 09, 2019, 02:00:24 am
B
Post by: Haspen on March 09, 2019, 06:26:49 am
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This causes them to quickly abandon the ida of attack against your cavalry; they pack whatever they can and retreat en masse, allowing the surviving Methiantese horsemen to reach your hills without harassment.
By the evening, your officers gather as the scouts bring news; the Damdamians have retreated behind a stream, and have erected some rudimentary palisades and barricades across it.
Casualties have been moderately high; at least two thousand Methiantese were lost, mostly cavalry. Of Damdamians, where were approximately three thousand and two hundred bodies.
What to do?
A) We rest and recuperate as well, waiting for things to happen.
B) We send skirmishers and horsemen to harass their encampment.
C) We march onwards to wipe Damdamians from Methiantese soil!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 09, 2019, 06:32:08 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 09, 2019, 09:04:20 am
I'm going to say C.
Our horsemen took the brunt there, let's give the foot soldiers a turn. We should have a Fireblood Infantry advantage, I think, since they were equipping Fireblood Cavalry. Is there any way we can specify fording the stream elsewhere and not attacking across it, possibly using the local hills as cover for our maneuvers? Or do we just have to roll and hope our martial bonus kicks in?
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 09, 2019, 11:30:08 am
Post by: Weirdsound on March 09, 2019, 12:04:58 pm
They aint running back for reinforcements, so I'd rather they push into us. Guns seem to mean advantage = defender.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 09, 2019, 03:47:06 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 09, 2019, 04:26:37 pm
yeah, let's get our cav back sorted out first.
Post by: melkor on March 09, 2019, 06:14:01 pm
Post by: Pavellius on March 09, 2019, 11:50:50 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 10, 2019, 06:29:05 am
By the morning, scouts bring news; the Damdamian forces are on the move, retreating towards the border with Eval! They've left their stream-bank encampment intact, clearly not trying to dismantle it.
A) Chase them! Destroy the cowards!
B) No need to rush, they will come back.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 10, 2019, 11:22:11 am
I wish option A didn't sound so much like another -1 for Reckless Charge. But I don't want to let them wander away, not toward the extra 10K running amok in Eval.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 10, 2019, 12:39:21 pm
A
I wish option A didn't sound so much like another -1 for Reckless Charge. But I don't want to let them wander away, not toward the extra 10K running amok in Eval.
I'm sure we will get options on how to proceed once we find them.
A
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 10, 2019, 12:44:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 10, 2019, 02:18:29 pm
Post by: Pavellius on March 10, 2019, 02:44:58 pm
Post by: omada on March 10, 2019, 05:30:29 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 10, 2019, 05:48:00 pm
probably is a trap, but I think a poorly thought out one. Let them get some distance, and hit it with cav. If they have guns hidden there we will just overrun them.
Post by: omada on March 10, 2019, 06:37:06 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 11, 2019, 04:19:10 pm
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The chase continues for almost two days, and the scouts report that the 'crusaders' are widening the gap.
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Two days later, it is evident that your army is not very keen on pursuit! The gap has widened greatly, and there's now a day of difference between the two of you.
A) Chase them some more, maybe they will flee across the border if we continue pushing?
B) Time to set camp and prepare for another attack.
Post by: Pavellius on March 11, 2019, 04:45:01 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 11, 2019, 04:45:28 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 11, 2019, 04:54:38 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 11, 2019, 04:56:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 11, 2019, 05:08:02 pm
I thought we were just gonna sack the camp they left behind. Not chase the army.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 11, 2019, 05:35:01 pm
After the war we might want a talk with our drill instructors, if we can't outmarch a foreign army that doesn't have a military drill bonus. :-\
Post by: Weirdsound on March 11, 2019, 05:38:39 pm
B
Post by: helmacon on March 11, 2019, 06:04:04 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 12, 2019, 01:37:48 pm
Two more days pass and you receive a report; the main Damdamian army has turned westwards and has entered Eval, joining the troops pillaging there.
A fresh army of almost eight thousand - half of it cavalry - has been spotted by your spies and riders in the borderlands of Rucus.
The officers gather to discuss the situation.
A) We go liberate Eval from the evil clutches of the Damdamians!
B) We strike the Rucusian soil to prevent the coming of reinforcements!
C) We march to Evalian borders, and then wait.
D) We retreat towards the central Methiant for now.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 12, 2019, 01:50:17 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 12, 2019, 02:11:41 pm
Winning the initial skirmish by 1200 counts for nothing if they reinforce with 8000; the larger army with depleted cavalry will have a harder time turning to catch us from behind than this fresh one would if we strike the other way.
Post by: helmacon on March 12, 2019, 11:44:54 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 13, 2019, 12:19:46 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 13, 2019, 06:06:10 am
Post by: Baffler on March 13, 2019, 05:32:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 13, 2019, 06:31:14 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 13, 2019, 11:46:58 pm
I'm not that worried about 8000 men coming from Rucus. We recently invested in superior border forts. They are going to have to waste alot of time and manpower fucking with those before they can really hurt us.
Post by: Pavellius on March 14, 2019, 02:15:54 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2019, 03:51:48 pm
1217 AD, Mid-Autumn
The two armies meet again on the first day of the Mid-Autumn, after you finish re-capturing some smaller settlements and a border keep from the drunk and complacent Damdamian soldiers.
Your spies bring you important news; Caius Cuscus is absent, and the crusading army is led by Armin Acacius, a young Republican commander.
The scouts bring you strategic info; the Damdamians have learned of your approach and managed to occupy a hillside, with infantry and artillery in the middle and small cavalry forces at their flanks. Their numbers are estimated at twelve thousand troops.
A) We camp, and wait for them to come. Surely they will lose patience and abandon their advantage.
B) We shall spread out widely to strike at them from front and flanks simultaneously!
C) Sure, they can have the hills. In the meanwhile, I will go and recapture some more castles and villages!
D) We move in one large force, and we shall grind their center to dust in one big strike supported by artillery and cavalry.
Post by: Baffler on March 16, 2019, 04:28:13 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 16, 2019, 04:32:20 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 16, 2019, 04:41:39 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 16, 2019, 05:07:36 pm
I thought we had more then twelve thousand soldiers with us?
I thought we only had 10,000 men, but I can't find that number (or any other) looking back in the thread, only that we lost 2,000 men in the last battle, but unless we hugely outnumber them I still think C is the right way to go.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 16, 2019, 05:56:31 pm
By my count we should have ~20K with us; however that's only a rough half of their expected troops on that hill. The other (bigger?) half, with their Martial commander, is still unseen and I don't fancy getting tied up assaulting a defensive position while he's sneaking about preparing Pantheon knows what.
Post by: ZBridges on March 16, 2019, 05:58:46 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 16, 2019, 06:00:13 pm
Post by: omada on March 16, 2019, 08:53:22 pm
Post by: melkor on March 17, 2019, 08:32:41 am
Post by: Pavellius on March 17, 2019, 02:58:26 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 17, 2019, 04:40:14 pm
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Fortunately for you Eval is not under direct control of the Emperor and his edicts, and thus the mostly outdated fortifications in the Duchy gave your army no problems. The Damdamian forces do not engage you, and every day scouts report that the enemy remains stationary at the hills.
Swiftly, in span of the month, you reconquer much of the land, the Evalian people cheering you as their liberator and savior.
1217 AD, Late Autumn
Just as your army positions itself to begin siege of the Evalian capital, scouts bring information.
The old and fresh forces, now again under command of Caius Cuscus, have abandoned Eval and made their way for Methiantese borders! The combined army now number about thirty three thousand, although it is mostly heavy melee infantry with siege equipment; cavalry makes for about a tenth of the whole.
Half an hour later, a tired messenger from the Palace has arrived.
"Emperor, I bring news from the Helliste. King Brynwald and Queen Mother Ciri have agreed to lend military assistance to the Empire of Methiant-Cydwyl. They've sent a troop of nine thousand soldiers, mostly crossbowmen, fireshots and pikemen. They're marching towards our capital for now, but King Brynwald have instructed them to listen to your orders, or the Marshal's, if needed."
Your officers gather, for many things must be considered.
First, the siege of Evalian capital...
A) The Damdamians inside have luck, for we will march at once to attack the invaders upon our home soil!
B) A force of two or three thousand strong should be enough to keep the capital besieged. The rest will chase after the Damdamian army!
C) We split our forces evenly, to ensure that the fortified capital will fall quickly and easily.
D) We shall attack the walls of Eval at once! In one quick battle, we shall liberate it, and then we can run after the Damdamians!
Secondly, the instructions for Helliste reinforcements...
A) They are to evade the Damdamians and join me at border of Eval!
B) They are to stay put at the Imperial capital, to protect it from Damdamians.
C) They are to move against the Damdamians; we might trap them in a pincer attack this way!
Post by: mightymushroom on March 17, 2019, 06:14:02 pm
B or D) Give the Marshal (he's still at the capital coordinating the home front since we're with the grand army, yes?) free reign as he thinks best
I so want to finish in Eval first, but I'm afraid one bad roll deprives us of crucial men for the really big fight. From what I understand, Eval was overwhelmed early on, none of the people we would liberate would be in fighting shape or I would probably vote differently. Could be persuaded otherwise.
I don't want soldiers from Helliste go around and let the crusaders march unopposed. Sounds like they haven't even reached the capital when this messenger was sent, I don't think we're close enough together to coordinate well. The Helliste (Hellistian? Hellish?) troop composition sounds good for holding a fortified city. (Too bad the crusaders sound perfect for capturing it.)
Ideally, I think they should pause and rest at the capital while we march toward them. Keep up a steady stream of scouts and messengers; have the Hellisters(?) take the field, too, if it looks like we'll catch the crusaders soon, or stay and hold if we won't.
Post by: Weirdsound on March 17, 2019, 09:33:51 pm
We have improved border forts from an Edict. They will have to either waste time dealing with those, or risk said forts cutting their supply line. The time and manpower they waste on those should counteract the time and manpower we waste on eval.
Post by: ZBridges on March 17, 2019, 10:04:58 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 17, 2019, 10:32:25 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 17, 2019, 11:20:20 pm
A
C
We should be able to maneuver better then that big force and force them to fight divided in a bad place.
Post by: omada on March 18, 2019, 12:41:38 am
I don't want them trying to make a pincer attack on us or Eval feeling betrayed or unprotected if we leave a larger force on their land
DB later C for the second option?
Post by: Weirdsound on March 18, 2019, 12:52:55 am
The martial comander isn't in eval, they probably will have only a defensive bonus (what? +1 or +2? against +2 martial +1 bronze flag +1 drill)
I don't want them trying to make a pincer attack on us or Eval feeling betrayed or unprotected if we leave a larger force on their land
DB later C for the second option?
My thoughts exactly. Also, the capital likely isn't at full defensive capacity, as they would have had to damage it to take it.
Post by: Baffler on March 18, 2019, 02:27:55 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 18, 2019, 08:22:56 am
We have improved border forts from an Edict. They will have to either waste time dealing with those, or risk said forts cutting their supply line. The time and manpower they waste on those should counteract the time and manpower we waste on eval.
Our border forts weren't even mentioned last time the crusaders came into our territory. Neither that the crusaders attacked / left sieges on them nor that we liberated / relieved them – they were completely ignored. I'm not saying you're wrong, exactly. I think you should be correct about our edict, but in the metagame the lack of updates leaves me questioning their value according to Haspen.
Post by: Haspen on March 18, 2019, 10:44:12 am
db db db
ac
Oh wouldja lookit, a tie ;V
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 18, 2019, 11:10:12 am
Post by: auzewasright on March 18, 2019, 03:23:00 pm
Post by: melkor on March 18, 2019, 04:00:30 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 19, 2019, 02:03:22 pm
After few days of marching, the front scouts hastily bring news; the Damdamian army in Methiantese borderlands have begun sieges of several minor border forts, delegating about thousand men for each fort (meaning five thousand plus some men are preoccupied). Their main force is however intact, with the siegeing groups only few hours away each from the main camp, making it clear that attempting to dislodge the besiegers will quickly grab attention of the main force.
A) Let's make the Damdamian pile move to our tune by making noise at their flanks and rear!
B) I will just plop my army between the Damdamians and Rucus border and see what happens.
C) Splitting the army like this will only help us crush them in direct combat!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 19, 2019, 02:11:09 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 19, 2019, 05:01:27 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 19, 2019, 05:07:37 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 19, 2019, 05:38:00 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 20, 2019, 02:36:54 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 20, 2019, 12:39:47 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 21, 2019, 04:54:01 pm
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Your Army moves swiftly and decisively, maintaing a steady pace. Like a mudslide, your soldiers attack the unsuspecting Damdamians. Combined with hail of arrows and fireshots from the walls of the defenders of the keep, many hundred Damdamians are killled and few dozens captured alive. Losses on your side can be counted up as fifty or so men.
The keep is liberated and the garrison officers promise some fresh supplies and bolts for your men, when the scouts arrive; Caius Cuscus learned of your assault (and will surely soon learn of your victory), and is moving the main troop toward your position! They will be here by nightfall.
A) Let's get all defensive like with the keep at our back.
B) Why wait until nightfall when we can march forth and defeat them by sunrise?
C) Time for us to move away and have them follow us like fools they are!
Post by: Kashyyk on March 21, 2019, 04:59:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 21, 2019, 05:15:53 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 21, 2019, 05:35:51 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 21, 2019, 05:36:01 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 21, 2019, 05:44:14 pm
He's proven he will not over-commit to attacking a dug in opponent. Let see if he will over-commit to chasing a flighty one.
Post by: Haspen on March 22, 2019, 05:19:41 pm
By the morning, however, you learn that the Damdamians did not pick up the bait; instead, they've started vicious bombardment of the keep you recently recaptured! The amount of ordnance and firepower used suggest that Caius Cuscus is dealing out a 'punishment' to the garrison.
A) A good moment to turn back and atttack!
B) Let's bait them once more, perhaps?
Post by: mightymushroom on March 22, 2019, 05:28:38 pm
Our plan is to bleed him first. If he's losing his cool, let's keep ours. He'll be that much more out of position when we come down on the next siege.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 22, 2019, 05:32:35 pm
Post by: melkor on March 22, 2019, 07:50:40 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 22, 2019, 08:30:18 pm
Post by: omada on March 22, 2019, 10:33:51 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 23, 2019, 05:05:18 am
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Your Army moves under cover of the night. The scouts and spies keep your officers updated.
The fighting begins when most of the enemy camp is asleep. Damdamian soldiers and auxiliaries are slaughtered, and only a handful of your soldiers were killed, the losses on Methiantese side even smaller than previously.
By the morning, sentries report that a lone Damdamian cavalier is approaching fast. Soon its made clear that he is carrying with himself a flag of truce.
The Damdamian, with his tan-skin and pitch black hair, looks unnatural amongst your mostly white and bright-haired men.
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin of Methiant. Our wise leader, Caius Cuscus, is inviting you to talk about this conflict and maybe even negotiate terms of peace."
A) "Oh really? When and where, may I ask?"
B) "The only thing I'm willing to negotiate is Damdamian surrender! Begone!"
Post by: Kashyyk on March 23, 2019, 05:12:35 am
Post by: helmacon on March 23, 2019, 05:13:27 am
Let's see what they offer us, anyways.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 23, 2019, 09:00:21 am
I wrote out a rationale for my first instinct, B, and then I remembered that our guy is also Charismatic AND packed the dwarf necklace. Caius Cuscus is unlikely to have similar advantages (even if the Damdamians employ anti-magic as they sometimes have previously). We really shouldn't pass up a chance to avoid the butcher's bill when it is given us.
Post by: birdy51 on March 23, 2019, 09:42:42 am
This might be a good opportunity to seek out a White Peace; one that shows our willingness to cooperate in the future for the better of two countries. The Damedians were the aggressors here and we have shamed them utterly; at the very least, they should show us some respect.
Post by: omada on March 23, 2019, 10:03:15 am
I would say that we should demand compensation for damage done, mainly damage done to Eval
Can we oblige them to accept our wine again? give permit to our merchants to pass through their empire freely? Option to pay their debt freeing volunteered slaves (welp, no gain in freeing slaves that will go on the direction of a country that we don't even have diplomacy range) in our territory? (add some black elves with info to our land and help the house of learning to know more about the world?)
A public letter saying that the crusade is over (possible) and any harm done to the pantheonists will not get the bless with the church? (impossible)
a white peace isn't the best solution, willingness to cooperate when they invaded our lands and burned our churchs without compensation is a bit too much
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 23, 2019, 10:44:34 am
Post by: Haspen on March 23, 2019, 02:51:59 pm
The meeting is arranged to take place on a hill visible by both armies, and happens in the early morning of next day.
You and Caius Cuscus meet for first time, and sit down on two large stones upturned and dragged to the hill by the Damdamian soldiers. Caius Cuscus is a miniscule man; naught an ounce of fat on his flesh, the man is tanned, wrinkled, greying, has yellow teeth and dresses like a Damdamian recruit, with the only addition of fashionable cloth being a bright red cloak drapped over his right shoulder.
He notices your shiny metallic necklace, and quickly pulls a Damdamian symbol on a chain from beneath his tunic. No doubt he came prepared for negotiations.
"Emperor Houlandin. Salutations from a warrior like yourself. A honor to meet you."
"Likewise, General."
"The Senate of Damdamian Republic is willing to negotiate simply because they believe numbers are on our side, and that your defeat, in the matter of coming years, is inevitable. I myself wish to stop the bloodshed and send the youth back to their homesteads." He pulls out a scroll from beneath his clothes and opens it, his eyes shifting from line to line.
"You will pay Theocracy of Damedia three times the yearly profits of your famous, highly-sought after glassware, as a donation to the altars of Damed. You will allow Damedian preachers and missionaries free travel through your Empire." You grimace, restraining your fury for now.
"And?"
"That is all of Senate's demands." Caius rolls the scroll and places it inside his tunic.
A) "Now that I know I'm dealing with self-centered, narcissist, pompous zealots, I wish you good fighting. Now begone!"
B) "How about we call peace here and now, and return to the state of affairs as it was before this sorry war?"
C) "I can send money to satisfy the greed of Damedian priests, but I won't let them roam freely amongst my Pantheonist brethren!"
D) "I could agree on the freedom of religion - we had such a thing once - but I'm will not place a single coin on heathen altars!"
E) "I'm not understanding how you can make demands! Listen, for I am entitled to the demands, and they are as follows... (describe demands here)."
F) "Actually that's not that much of a price to bring peace to our nations. I agree to those terms!"
Post by: helmacon on March 23, 2019, 03:09:51 pm
Reparations for the damage to our infrastructure, and a formal end to the crusade.
Post by: ZBridges on March 23, 2019, 03:11:53 pm
E2 - we will receive reparations for the damage of infrastructure, a formal end to the crusade, and both sides will confirm freedom of movement for Religious and Mercantile agents from both the Damdamian Republic and the Empire of Methiant-Cydwyl.+1
Post by: Kashyyk on March 23, 2019, 03:24:47 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 23, 2019, 04:03:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 23, 2019, 04:19:38 pm
E4?
Take off our necklace. Invite him to do the same. Rely on our own Charisma (and Wisdom, once we start talking law and theology).
"I think, one general to another, you know those terms are overblown. Whatever 'future years' may hold, you have not won yet today.
"Can you imagine, for a moment, what it is to be told that soldiers will invade you in the name of a foreign god, and that you ought to pay tribute for the privilege of having your lands ransacked? It is an affront to the very notion of law, or justice! Will your Damed bless my land with the prosperity to pay these exorbitant demands, or will only your Senators prosper while they find another target to bleed your young farmers?
"I've met my gods, you know – at least two of them that I can be sure of. Can you tell me the same? They've demonstrated their power, and their rewards for myself and the people in my care. I've seen necklaces like yours, and I don't deny that there is power behind them, but here in my lands the voices of Damed over recent years have been nothing but shrill cries for conversion or blood.
"So, forget the senators. Let's see if you can convince me that Damed is worth more to my nation than our own Pantheon. I'll start by asking whether it is He who is so greedy that he must have all the produce of every land for Himself, leaving none for the people; or is it only His so-called priests demanding that others die so their temples may be more richly decorated."
Etc. Keep up the themes that the Damedian hierarchy is corrupt and we are simply living our simple lives just like his own soldiers.
Work our charm to convince Caius Cuscus to give up the Crusade. Personally at a minimum, and taking as many people home with him as we can swing.
We might indeed have trouble out-fighting the Republic in perpetuity. (Though I'm certainly willing to try! I don't think the situation is so one-sided as the "self-centered, narcissist, pompous zealots" say!) It would be better if we change the willfulness of either their high leadership, or all their swathes of peasants, to fight. Starting with an able military leader like Cuscus gives us leverage in both these directions.
If this is a bit ambiguous to be a counter "demand," my second choice so far is for Kashyyk's E2.
Addendum: also see my response four posts down.
Post by: omada on March 23, 2019, 07:59:52 pm
Post by: Taricus on March 23, 2019, 08:03:44 pm
Edited
Post by: Pavellius on March 23, 2019, 08:57:38 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 23, 2019, 09:40:40 pm
It's not really about the peace negotiations, as such, for my plan. Mostly I'm trying to make a loophole in the offer of "write your own" that gets Caius Cuscus out of the war – like a trap/ambush but without any violence that the other side can claim is a truce violation. I think that if we roll well we can also get a good proportion of the crusaders to leave with him, and at the edge of possibility even spark a reform movement among the Damedians. I'll wait to see if any further options for peace accords are proffered next turn, after he's softened up.
Post by: Pavellius on March 23, 2019, 10:54:19 pm
Double talking that their priesthood is too greedy while insisting we get paid would be some risky rhetorical gymnastics even for Houlandin III.I think that's a good point. Monetary demands could make our argument harder.
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2019, 12:48:09 pm
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What follows (and was not inscribed down for lack of
As the sun starts casting long shadows and the sky turns deep orange, Caius Cuscus concludes the negotiations.
"What you've told me today is nothing but wisdom and reason. I'm willing to call a month of truce, so that I might take your... 'cause' to the Senate. I promise nothing but thirty days of non-hostilities, and that my army moves back into boundaries of Kingdom of Rucus. Either this, or we resume fighting."
A) "That is fine with me."
B) "That won't do, at all!"
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on March 24, 2019, 12:56:40 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 24, 2019, 12:57:56 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on March 24, 2019, 12:58:07 pm
At the very least, this resets them back to the border and buys us time to regroup.
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2019, 01:52:36 pm
Post by: Arlos on March 24, 2019, 02:07:05 pm
This war was legendary.
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 24, 2019, 03:05:33 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 24, 2019, 03:29:08 pm
next time we will be combined with the hellisites, and be ready at the border.
Post by: Haspen on March 24, 2019, 04:51:23 pm
1217 AD, Winter
A week later, the Damdamian army (including the garrison of captured Evalian capital) has retreated to Rucus, where it was supplanted by another five thousand troops. Spies inform you that at least five thousand more are camped at Republican-Rucusian border.
Not wasting any time, you call in reinforcements from local cities, whcih amounts to a thousand of lightly armored auxiliaries and guards. The eight-thousand strong Helliste force also joins your main Army.
You also pick up on news from the Palace:
Apparently, there has been lots of discontent and quarrels between noblemen and commoners in the recent weeks, especially in former Cydwyl. There have been few cases where peasants accused nobles of treachery, leading to imprisonments and killings. This internal strife has caused unhappiness in the Empire.
Also, your distant aunt, Aurelia, wife of Deathan, has passed away after a short illness that she caught during recent, cold, windy days.
Two weeks afterwards, the scouts from the borderlands bring news - the Damdamian army's numbers have exceeded thirty five thousand (compared to yours twenty eight right now), replenishing its cavalry units, and is again on the move! In a short time, they will cross Rucusian border and once more invade the Duchy of Eval. Caius Cuscus is not in command; someone else is leading the troops, and your spies are still gathering information.
During a council with your officers, you decide to...
A) Immediately move for the border, to fight Damdamians right after they cross the borders.
B) Wait few more days to gather more information on the new Damdamian leader and whereabouts of Caius Cuscus.
C) Wait a while to gather more information and let extra reinforcements from around the Empire to join your Army.
Post by: helmacon on March 24, 2019, 05:37:39 pm
We have a our border forts back. This will hold them up a day or 2.
Hopefully the new commander is not martial though.
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 24, 2019, 07:45:21 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 24, 2019, 07:46:30 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 24, 2019, 08:16:10 pm
Post by: Pavellius on March 24, 2019, 09:12:18 pm
Post by: melkor on March 25, 2019, 03:24:44 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 25, 2019, 07:30:09 am
Post by: Haspen on March 30, 2019, 12:21:02 pm
Your spies and scouts bring information as quickly as possible; the Damdamian army is led by Danus Fiscus, a general of great renown and great skill, just as Caius Cuscus was (who was relieved of the command). He is known for his devotion to Damedian faith, too.
The army in his command numbers thirty six thousand five hundred, of which a sixth is cavalry, with several hundred pieces of Fireblood weaponry for siegeing and demolishing purposes.
Spies report that the Damdamian Republic is continuing to rally, equip and march soldiers to Rucus staging areas, and already at least two thousand fresh troops are stationed in Rucusian borderlands.
They also bring news of a deal between Rucus and Damdamia; the King of Rucus has been greatly subsided with monetary wealth for allowing Damdamian troops through his territory.
The Damdamian Army, led by Danus, has already trespassed into Eval, but their marching direction is toward north rather than west, leading to a conclusion that Danus is eager to invade Methiant.
A) We must move and challenge him in a pitched battle!
B) We must remain here and observe his movements for now.
C) We must retreat toward the capital, gather troops and send for help!
Post by: omada on March 30, 2019, 01:31:55 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 30, 2019, 03:08:16 pm
Post by: helmacon on March 30, 2019, 03:10:31 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 30, 2019, 03:35:55 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on March 30, 2019, 04:09:15 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 30, 2019, 05:39:43 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on March 30, 2019, 11:36:01 pm
I do not think we will be getting aid though from anyone. Maybe see if we get a harsh winter, but he is probably goping to be getting supplies through the damn Rucus boarders.
Post by: Pavellius on March 31, 2019, 02:04:58 am
Post by: Haspen on April 06, 2019, 02:01:51 pm
1217 AD, Midwinter
Weather becomes harsher and harsher, but The Rainbow Scepter is pulsating vividly, no doubt keeping the snow and wind in check.
You wait a whole month while the Damdamians besiege the border forts. It seems that Danus Fiscus decided to keep it slow (or was ordered to do so).
As your forces grow to forty four thousand, with some extra light cavalry from Helliste ("and not a soldier more", the Helliste diplomats report), the Damdamians have amassed a troop of over fifty five thousand at this point. Currently there's no more troops in Rucus or Damdamian borderlands, your spies report, but your officers are rather pessimistic, sure that another horde will spring out of the ground in few weeks.
It's end of the second week of Midwinter when you learn that Caius Cuscus has returned; taking half of the troop, he is directing an assault against Duchy of Eval, while Danus Fiscus remained to besiege Methiantese border castles.
A) We've ought to wait a little more.
B) Now is the time to strike! We must rush Danus's troops!
C) Now is the time to strike! We must bypass Danus and smack our old friend Caius!
Post by: mightymushroom on April 06, 2019, 02:13:24 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on April 06, 2019, 02:36:37 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 06, 2019, 02:58:25 pm
Post by: Pavellius on April 06, 2019, 03:25:34 pm
Post by: helmacon on April 06, 2019, 04:35:42 pm
Post by: omada on April 07, 2019, 01:53:39 pm
Post by: auzewasright on April 08, 2019, 03:53:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 14, 2019, 04:40:58 am
It takes few days for your troops to arrive in vicinity of the besieged fortifications. Danus' army is just few hours away, nested nicely on hills and forests, spread in area between three forts.
Your officers discuss with you the options.
A) We split into three and assault all of Danus' camps at once!
B) We find a defensive position and then wait.
C) We strike the center and deliver a crushing blow to his army!
D) We strike at one flank, better not overextend ourselves.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 14, 2019, 05:36:06 am
Post by: helmacon on April 14, 2019, 12:30:57 pm
Post by: omada on April 14, 2019, 01:15:16 pm
Post by: Pavellius on April 14, 2019, 11:52:04 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 15, 2019, 01:45:24 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 15, 2019, 08:22:03 pm
Post by: Haspen on April 17, 2019, 02:50:24 pm
As your attack commences, chilly winds and dark clouds bring in a snowfall that dampens and prevents Fireblood weaponry from being fired.
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You fall upon the flank of Danus' forces, the mass of your men impacting a much smaller encampment. The Damdamians put up a valiant effort, but Methiantese superiority is easily assured. Corpses fall to the ground, five Damdamians per each Methiantese.
War horns of Damdamia quickly make you realize that Danus realized the danger and has begun a quick reorganization of the troops, to face you in field combat.
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Now the numbers of fighting Damdamians are greater, but overall still smaller than numbers of your army.
But even that does not help Danus in protracted combat! Your mighty Army falls against it, and the meat grinder that follows thins out the ranks of Damdamians with terrifying ease.
After an hour of fighting, the beaten Damdamians retreat under the sounds of their horns. Banners and flags of Danus' main camp already flutter far in the distance, the proud Damdamian general having retreated at the front of his troops.
The officers celebrate the victory, and some call to send cavalry in pursuit of the beaten heathens!
A) After them, turn the snow red with blood!
B) No! We rest, recuperate, and wait.
C) I will personally see the Damdamian cowards dead!!
Post by: Kashyyk on April 17, 2019, 03:19:45 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 17, 2019, 04:13:50 pm
Charging an organized retreat may not end well, but it would be prudent to finish these guys if possible.
Post by: helmacon on April 17, 2019, 04:23:11 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on April 17, 2019, 04:25:26 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 17, 2019, 05:05:33 pm
The numerical casualties inflicted in this war have been less than I expected from the battle accounts; therefore I don't think we're near to finishing them off just now despite the clear victory. We've been at our best when choosing our moments with care, not when charging.
Post by: helmacon on April 17, 2019, 07:45:03 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 17, 2019, 08:31:58 pm
Post by: auzewasright on April 17, 2019, 08:33:59 pm
Post by: Prophet on April 17, 2019, 11:23:59 pm
Post by: ZBridges on April 18, 2019, 01:01:04 am
Post by: Taricus on April 18, 2019, 01:01:41 am
Post by: Pavellius on April 18, 2019, 09:02:25 am
Post by: Haspen on April 24, 2019, 03:33:04 pm
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While your commanders led the horsemen properly, it was Danus' martial expertise that allowed him to regroup his rear and make an effective counter against your attack. Many Damdamians are trampled, but many more Methiantese horsemen do not return, or return without their precious horses, leading to four hundred casualties on your side.
A) We pursue them anyway, till they return from whence they came!
B) We retreat to the capital and wait.
C) We regroup at the castles for now.
D) Danus is in retreat, we ride into Eval to face Caius!
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Two days later, you catch them on plains, with two small forests flanking Danus' positions. The general himself seems to realize that you will be soon upon him, and stopped his army, and reversed the ranks, preparing for a pitched battle.
Officers clamor for direct action, for your possess both the numbers and the morale, they say.
A) Onwards, we strike forward, we strike hard!
B) No, let's make a defensive camp and wait for his men to come for us.
C) Let's send some troops and horsemen to harass enemy flanks first.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 25, 2019, 01:31:28 pm
I thought a glade was a clearing in the middle of a forest, so this sentence confuses me.
Post by: Haspen on April 25, 2019, 01:34:18 pm
"You catch them on plains, with two small glades flanking Danus' positions."
I thought a glade was a clearing in the middle of a forest, so this sentence confuses me.
Yes I derp from tiredness, I fix.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 25, 2019, 02:44:22 pm
My Martial trait says that Danus's Martial trait my have spied the woods before we got here and prepared something. Let's poke the sides first, as a precaution.
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The Damdamians begin their bombardment from inside the forests at the flanks, but the fire is inaccurate, and ultimately, ineffective! Your soldiers swarm the hidden positions of the Damdamian defenders, putting great pressure on the flanks of the central columns.
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This in turn allows the main force of your Army to strike the Danus' frontlines!
The melee that follows is even bloodier than the one during the previous battle, and corpses pile in the snow and mud in great numbers.
And just like before, the enemy is routed, and the Damdamian horns sound a retreat. This time it is more disorderly, the survivors of Methiantese wrath too afraid for their lives to follow commands of their officers it seems.
Scouts and agents bring you even greater news; apparently some saw Danus and his horse disappear during the melee, and as he was not spotted amongst retreating columns, many believe that he was slain during the melee. With him included, the dead of this battle would amount of over eight thousand, almost three-fourths of that on Damdamian side.
Your officers quickly inform you that they do not wish to pursue Damdamians. "Sire, victories are great but the pace and lack of care for our own casualties is showing," says one of them, "We need to rest and recuperate, as the two thousands of our sick and wounded will soon be dead and rotting instead!"
A) "No, we sail forth to crush the remainder of Danus soldiers in another, and final, battle!"
B) "No, we sail forth to liberate Eval from Damdamian invaders at once!"
C) "Agreed."
Post by: Rockeater on April 26, 2019, 05:04:33 pm
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Post by: mightymushroom on April 26, 2019, 09:25:17 pm
Post by: omada on April 26, 2019, 09:51:40 pm
help to take care of the wounded
Post by: Weirdsound on April 27, 2019, 01:40:38 am
C
help to take care of the wounded
Yeah. We do have the Wise trait. Wonder if that does cover medical knowledge? C
Post by: Haspen on April 27, 2019, 02:33:39 am
In the next few days, you learn that Danus was indeed killed during the battle and that his army split; a larger part, mostly of infantry, carrying the wounded, is on the march to Rucus. The others, numbering about ten thousand of light cavalry and able-bodied infantry, have moved west, on their way to join Caius Cuscus.
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Your Army is pinned, as disease wreaks havoc amongst your soldiers. Thousands suffer from fever and gut maladies, and few dozen have already perished.
1217 AD, Late Winter
Scouts bring news; the beaten-up mass of Damdamians have crossed into Kingdom of Rucus, while Caius Cuscus' forces now number around thirty five thousand. They have problems siegeing the strategic locations of Eval, however, as the snow slows down their movements and lack of Fireblood support and bombardments hinders capture attempts.
A messenger arrives from the Palace!
Kind enough to repay your cartographers' visitation, the half-elves of Sylevessef sent a delegation bearing gifts! They've brought lots of iron-wrought cloth, as well as delicious fruit wines. They had few Albionese sailors with them as translators.
They've were astonished to see horses and other animals for the first time, and spent quite few days touring the capital city. Not much in terms of diplomacy was done as you were not present at the palace, but the half-elves have departed in friendship and gratitude, having been gifted steel and gold items by your courtiers.
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The situation at your camp have deteriorated rapidly over the past week! Your massed troops have been a wonderful vector for the gut disease, and the healers, despite trying their hardest, must report to you that about two-thirds of your Army - that is over twenty thousand troops - is suffering sickness, and two thousand have already perished.
The cold winter weather isn't helping things, too.
A) We must return to the capital and seek aid and supplies!
B) We ought to stay here and wait some more.
Post by: Kashyyk on April 27, 2019, 03:01:18 am
Screw it, A. We can't afford to lose so many men to General Plague. We've still got Caius to deal with.
Post by: Weirdsound on April 27, 2019, 04:17:56 am
A would mean a better chance of healing them, but it also risks infecting the entire capital. If only we had an option to visit a minor city and get help there...
Screw it, A. We can't afford to lose so many men to General Plague. We've still got Caius to deal with.
A
But I wish we had the option to try negotiation again. Caius seems reasonable enough, and his own efforts are stalling out.
Post by: mightymushroom on April 27, 2019, 06:46:44 am
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On the way there, you too catch the gut malady. But after you're easily confined and given soups and herbal mixtures to calm down your stomach and keep fever down, you recover the night before arrival.
After returning home, you're greeted by your wife and children. You inspect the intricately woven iron-wrought coat the half-elves of Sylevessef left for you, and its adorned with copper clasps and stone beads interwoven into sleeves and collar.
And it's as inpractical and dangerous to wear as you have suspected.
You call for the people to provide for the army, and for the army to recuperate.
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The reports you get from your administrators and noblemen aren't very positive. The implementation of Bill of Rights meant that many aristocrats and officials feel threatened, being (in theory at least) judged the same way as the commoners. On other hand, the commoners are quite aggressive in trying to exploit the Bill and in fact there have been instances of breaching the Rights by themselves, too.
It will take at least one more year before the Bill will be accepted as common law by all the social classes...
1217 AD, End of the Year
The time you spend with your wife is minimal for scribes and officials and noblemen wish to speak with you on many, many things.
And now, just as you think you can get yourself a goblet of wine, certain elderly man steps inside your chambers.
"I've brought Scrolls of Kingdom Status, my liege!" The Advisor speaks rather jovially.
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Happiness: 5
Population: 8
Economy: 5
Army: 8(+3)
Imp.Authority: +1
It seems that your Army haven't been depleted that much over last half a year. If not for the disease amongst your troops, it would be even higher.
"Emperor, I want to report that everything is proceeding smoothly at the moment. There are no oustanding problems, the trade and mining provide steady supply of money, and the Army, along with Helliste support, remains strong and ready."
"The Imperial authority is quite high. Do you wish to issue an Edict this year?"
A) "Mmkay."
B) "No!"
Post by: Kashyyk on April 28, 2019, 03:35:02 am
Post by: helmacon on April 28, 2019, 08:08:11 am
Post by: Haspen on April 28, 2019, 08:18:52 am
Matters of military hierarchy, philosophy of war and development of military tech.
Adopt Fireblood Skirmisher Tactics:
Fireblood weapons are currently slow to load and rather inaccurate, but smoke and thunder they make alone can shatter morale. Some believe that if the hand-held Fireblood weapons are given to highly mobile units (cavalry), they could strike terror into enemy's ranks, allowing massed spear-and-sword infantry to advance afterwards and decimate the demoralized enemy troops.
Reform Military Administration:
Recent developments both on and off the field, combined with the size of our Empire, show that one big Army is not enough from logistical standpoint. We should reorganize the Imperial Army, splitting it into cohesive, standarized units capable of smooth coordination with each other. Of course, such sophistication will lead to greater expenses needed to sustain the new administration and logistics.
BUREAUCRATIC EDICTS:
Matters of administration and government.
Establish Passage Tax: (once in effect: 1142 - 1169 AD)
All those travelers, adventurers, merchants and others are moving through the country for free! Let's establish a tax for those entering and leaving our country - this will earn us nice profits each year, although it might slow down immigration and convince some merchants to seek passage through elsewhere.
Introduce Fireblood Tariffs:
Fireblood, as well as its components, are both valuable, important, and traded in large quantities. While a royal tariff on the mineral and Fireblood traders would surely hamper our trade and possibly lower amount of the precious black substance available for the Army, it could bring invaluable yearly profits to the Treasury.
Establish Imperial Trade Commission: (once in effect: 1167 AD - 1186 AD)
To ensure stricter and better control of trade in the Empire and through its borders, an imperial guild of trade and commerce should be created. Its officials will keep an ever-vigilant eye on market trends, supply and demand, as well as establish and maintain favorable tariffs and taxes on goods, and help our merchants gain upper hand over foreigners. Hopefully, they will avoid price gouging, corruption, favoritism and other nasty things.
Issue The Codex of Succession:
Currently, the selection process for heirs isn't codified, and Imperial bureaucracy does not keep track of potential heirs too well. By institutionalizing the whole selection process, greater amount of information about potential heirs would be available. On the other hand, allowing bureaucrats, of all people, have a say about who is and isn't allowed to sit on the throne might be a rather dangerous proposition.
CULTURAL EDICTS:
Matters of religion, culture and art.
Endorse State Patronage of Arts: (once in effect: 1174 - 1215 AD)
To help develop the nation culturally, set aside certain amount of budget money to sponsor sculptors, poets, musicians and painters. It will be a constant drain on the Treasury, but think of how prestigious your nation will become, what with those masterpieces of art popping left and right!
Proclaim Religious Equality: (once in effect: 1135 - 1172 AD)
Travelers, merchants, immigrants; they all bring new beliefs and philosophies into the country. Rather than fight those foreign influences, it might be best to allow all peoples free worship on equal level no matter the size and beliefs of the congregation, to help all different worshippers achieve a certain degree to harmony and peace.
Enforce Religious Unity:
Strengthen the nation and culture of the Empire by disallowing foreign faiths to preach freely in the Empire, as well as prevent rise of sects, zealots and fanatical schismatics amongst the clergy by declaring heresy a crime against the Empire, the Emperor, and his subjects.
Promote Missionary Orders:
Promote our faith outside the Imperial borders with monetary and political support from the Crown for the preachers and missionary groups. This will surely strengthen our state religion, on the other hand, it will probably upset religious minorities within the borders and our 'heathen' neighbours outside them.
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REVOKE EDICT: Revokes a previously implemented edict, either to cut spending, appease some disgruntled subjects, or both. On the other hand, it might tick off some other peoples, potentially causing a deadly cascade of discontent.
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Post by: mightymushroom on April 28, 2019, 09:40:16 am
I like Military Reform and possibly even Codex of Succession on first reading, but I don't think either is the best idea in the middle of a war. We've named our heir, that's enough for the moment. Looks like cash flow was even year-over-year, and we're probably heading back into the field when the weather breaks, so let's not force our administrators to fix what isn't broken.
Post by: Prophet on April 28, 2019, 11:17:11 am
Post by: omada on April 28, 2019, 01:40:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 28, 2019, 01:48:36 pm
There are some good options on the board, but now is not the time to implement them.
Post by: VoidSlayer on April 28, 2019, 07:45:23 pm
The gods smiled on us in battle we should reciprocate in kind.
Post by: auzewasright on April 28, 2019, 09:39:41 pm
Lets face it, we are always a few bad rolls from needing this.
Post by: Taricus on April 28, 2019, 09:48:04 pm
Still have a war to win.
Post by: helmacon on April 29, 2019, 01:48:28 am
Post by: Kashyyk on April 29, 2019, 01:51:17 am
Post by: omada on April 29, 2019, 09:51:17 am
Fireblood Skirmishers
Last time it was excludent, or we used the fireblood on the main troop or in the cavalary I don't know now
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2019, 01:22:32 pm
More immediately, experience shows that during an army upgrade/refit we accrue combat roll penalties until it's fully enacted (at least one year, maybe two) so I question the worth of the experiment in the middle of a major war.
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2019, 02:48:45 pm
You decide against any edicts.
1218 AD, Spring
The snow has begun to melt, and weather is slowly getting warmer.
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According to the healers, the disease that has been wrecking havoc amongst your soldiers is growing weaker just as sunlight gets stronger.
News arrive from Eval; Caius Cuscus has managed to capture several forts in span of a week, but that's rather to coincidence than brilliant tactics.
His army is thirty five thousand and five hundred strong, while your spies bring news that a total of fifteen thousand fresh soldiers are stationed between Damdamian borderlands and Rucus, no doubt the Senate of Damdamia is preparing another huge army to march against you.
A delegation of your officers wishes to discuss war plans with you. However, there's also a delegate from Eldrican, wishing to talk about t'chai trade.
A) I shall talk about warfare first!
B) I shall talk about commerce first!
Post by: Kashyyk on April 29, 2019, 02:51:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2019, 03:17:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on April 29, 2019, 03:39:10 pm
B - Theres the off chance that we get some more soldiers out of this
Eldrican is ruled by our cultist of the damned cousin who hates our guts. We are not getting (Friendly) troops out of them.
B anyway. My hunch is that they intend to make some unreasonable demands to give them an excuse to cancel the trade deal and weaken us, or even join the war against us. Best we deal with that.
Post by: Haspen on April 29, 2019, 03:54:17 pm
"Greetings, Emperor Houlandin! I bring you a request from my master, King Feir. The t'chai leaves that soothe the mind and invigorate the body are loved by Eldrican subjects of His Majesty, and he would like greater amounts of these sent to our lands. Of course, we would pay for those accordingly and handsomely."
A) "Alright, they're already selling better abroad anyway."
B) "No, my people want their leafy fix as well!"
Post by: Weirdsound on April 29, 2019, 04:02:41 pm
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Post by: Pavellius on April 29, 2019, 06:36:11 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on April 29, 2019, 08:47:10 pm
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Post by: Empiricist on May 01, 2019, 12:43:44 am
A
Post by: Haspen on May 01, 2019, 03:02:40 am
Obviously, the only way to fulfill that request is...
A) To buy more leaf from Sim Empire, if they're willing to sell more.
B) To stop selling the leaf in Methiant, and sell all of it in Eldrican.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 01, 2019, 03:03:12 am
Post by: Empiricist on May 01, 2019, 06:49:35 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 01, 2019, 07:25:06 am
We've asked for more before without getting any, but we'll ask again.
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 01, 2019, 01:52:24 pm
A
Post by: Haspen on May 02, 2019, 11:51:00 am
Your officers meet with you to discuss the continuation of the war. According to the most recent reports they have, Caius Cuscus and his army are starting to capture various keeps, the strength and determination of Evalian defenders surely degrading rapidly. The capital, vacated by them earlier, has not been under siege yet.
Another Damdamian army is rallying in Rucusian borderlands; the spies report that their numbers currently are as high as fifteen thousand.
A) "Obviously, we march and strike at Caius' army and liberate Eval!"
B) "Obviously, we march south, but take no other action."
C) "Obviously, we remain at the capital, to gather more strength ourselves."
Some of the courtiers wonder if it would be prudent to begin negotiations with the Damdamians...
A) "Never again, they've had their chance!"
B) "Let's send an envoy, it will not hurt to try."
Post by: Kashyyk on May 02, 2019, 12:17:38 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 02, 2019, 12:56:53 pm
Post by: Pavellius on May 02, 2019, 01:03:29 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 02, 2019, 01:50:14 pm
I'm pessimistic about negotiation, though. I don't believe this 'Crusade' will be over and done as easily as our typical wars no matter if we continue to prevail in individual battles. The earlier offer was a non-starter, and I don't see why the senators'/priests' attitude will have changed given the numbers they still muster. Caius Cuscus may or may not be an okay guy (would they have put him back in command if our persuasion had stuck?) but he couldn't even make the thirty days truce stick, so I wouldn't roleplay any expectations about making a deal through him.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 02, 2019, 02:17:17 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 02, 2019, 04:24:55 pm
Strike the new reserve force
Post by: Baffler on May 02, 2019, 04:51:33 pm
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Post by: Haspen on May 07, 2019, 03:35:26 pm
ba ba
You send the envoys, and take the army to Eval!
Two weeks pass before your troops arrive at the border. Approximately three thousand Damdamians were left besieging the Evalian capital and surrounding keeps, while Caius Cuscus has marched forth to meet with you at the border. He is commanding almost forty thousand troops at the moment, majority of it being infantry.
Compared to your forces, they have an advantage of about six or seven thousand. Scouts report that almost twenty thousand Damdamians are currently camping within Rucus, and they've plenty of supplies and siege engines with them ready.
Next morning, your scouts report that the vanguard of Caius' army has been spotted. The battle will commence within hours at best!
A) But there will be no battle, as we will retreat deeper into Methiant!
B) Attack! Attack! Attack! We smash into his center and scatter it into the winds!
C) Time to do the usual trick and deploy on favorable ground, then let them die upon our mighty wall of soldiers!
D) Let's strike his flank with our men, then envelop and destroy his columns into brilliant tactical maneouver!
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2019, 03:37:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 07, 2019, 03:43:17 pm
I'd say C has been working well for us, but they seem to reinforce faster than we get 'em that way. Time for something different.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 07, 2019, 05:58:43 pm
Okay, D.
I'd say C has been working well for us, but they seem to reinforce faster than we get 'em that way. Time for something different.
Also, this guy has the Martial trait and isn't an idiot. He may have something planned for our camping this time.
D
Post by: Pavellius on May 08, 2019, 01:14:26 am
Post by: helmacon on May 08, 2019, 09:22:40 am
if we don't go to him, his reinforcements will
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 09, 2019, 05:59:17 am
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2019, 12:02:18 pm
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The flanking fails miserably! The enemy did manage to entrench themselves on favorable ground, and saw through your plan. Many hundreds died before the panicked Methiantese officers called for a rout.
Then, the high-pitched war horns inform you and your staff that Damdamians are coming!
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You lead the soldiers in the center as the sides are governed by your officers, and the officers of Helliste Kingdom. You inflict quite some casualties and stop the attack of Damdamians, the infantry prevailing against their massed charge. The Damdamians, while having the initiative, are now forced away from the ranks. You might still win this battle! Onwards!
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Then you hear something like whistle, right in front of you. You do not understand what is happening until the moment you fall off your horse, crashing onto the muddy ground. A moment later an excruciating pain emanates from your legs - some bones were probably broken. You feel the cold metal of your sword and your banner shaft, as well as the moisture of your tunic, no doubt soaking up your precious blood.
A stray shot, led to you most definitely by the vile Damdamian god, must've struck you in the chest, for you have trouble breathing. Then again, you do not foam or choke on blood, and thanks to your knowledge of anatomy you know that this means lungs have not been pierced. You're probably going to survive the day, if healers get to you.
Still, you're wounded, probably greviously, and you can already hear panicked screams and cries of your soldiers. They've must have seen the Banner of Methiant fall down along with you.
A) Call for help, hopefully someone from your side will hear you.
B) Try to climb back on the horse, the Methiantese banner must remain erect.
C) Drag yourself through mud and corpses, hopefully in direction of your camp.
D) Remain still, lest you damage your intestines even more.
Post by: helmacon on May 12, 2019, 12:25:36 pm
don't we have a royal gaurd specifically for this kind ok thing?
Post by: mightymushroom on May 12, 2019, 12:26:12 pm
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Someone helps you up onto your mount, and the banner once again flutters in the wind! Shouts of rejoicing seem a distant echo as you sway in the saddle.
The sudden rush of morale seems to push Damdamians into defensive!
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Then you fall off the horse again, the pain of some things inside your flesh being damaged is nearly unbearable. Was injuring yourself beyond saving worth it?
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You never learn of it, as the darkness falls upon your eyes like curtain over a window.
1218 AD, Five Days Later (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8zxoEoA_Q)
The fastest of couriers brings terrible news to you and the court. Emperor Houlandin III is dead!
Apparently, in somewhat unlucky manner, he was greviously wounded during one of the battles. Instead of seeking help, he climbed back onto the horse, to keep the Banner of Methiant upright, boosting morale of the soldiers.
The battle was basically a draw (or, as some put it, a minor victory), with ten thousand casualties total - six thousand of them on Damdamian side, for the brutal melee continued for quite a while, neither side willing to retreat first. Houlandin III, your cosuin, did not see its end, for he fallen off his horse and perished of his wounds before his guards or healers could tend to him.
For now, the enemy is routed, the Damdamian general Caius Cuscus having taken his forces southwards. The generals and officers that were with Houlandin III retreated towards the capital, and within few days, the body of late Emperor should arrive in the palace.
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While The Bronze Flagbearer and Necklace of Persuasion were both recovered, the Sword of Puncturing has gone missing. Many fear that it might've found its way into hands of some Damdamian heathen, who mistook it for a decorated blade and took it as a spoil of war. The Spymaster promises to do his best to find the missing artifact.
His wife mourning the passing of the brave warrior that was Houlandin III, his courtiers now turn to you.
You're of martial spirit as well, but you're nowhere as skilled as your predecessor was in his time. You decide not to dwell on what regnal name you should take. "I will be henceforth known as Houlandin IV!" You proclaim, and the courtiers do not object your decision.
Long live Houlandin IV, Emperor of Methiant-Cydwyl, King of Felonsein, Ceodwell and Parsia, Prince of Eval, Duke of Dahnia, Donuth, Ionith and Clochtoir, Sovereign of Tiftit!
Immediately after your speedy coronation (the court promises a proper one after the war), the war council gathers.
"Emperor, your predecessor has perished and the Damdamians are still upon our soil. Whatever shall we do?"
A) "We regroup and recover, awaiting the return of the envoy sent to Damdamia!"
B) "Our Army must follow after the vile Caius Cuscus and destroy his army!"
C) "I shall depart to the frontlines at once, to replace my brave cousin!"
Post by: birdy51 on May 12, 2019, 04:13:28 pm
Onward to avenge the dead!
Post by: Rockeater on May 12, 2019, 04:27:50 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 12, 2019, 04:54:57 pm
Dammit, now I wish we had done that succession edict thing that collates information so we don't have to hunt and guess about naming a successor. Not that it would be ready so soon.
Be sure to announce a successor before departing.
Post by: Haspen on May 12, 2019, 11:50:51 pm
The courtiers and officers murmur, but no one opposes your word.
"Sire, you have no clear successor ready!" One of the noblemen points out.
A) "Fine, fetch me the family list, I will choose someone."
B) "Oh, if anything happens, I'm sure the royal court will make the best decision."
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2019, 02:47:23 am
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Post by: Haspen on May 17, 2019, 02:06:32 pm
You can't be really bothered for the ceremonies, after all - a war awaits you. The sooner you're done with the formalities, the better.
The heir to the throne of Empire of Methiant-Cydwyl shall be...
A) Your brother, Duach.
B) Your nephew, Bjern, son of Duach.
C) Your father, Deathan, son of Yoe III of Methiant.
D) Your half-aunt, Cylia.
E) Your half-aunt, Queen Mother Ciri of Helliste.
F) Your half-nephew, King Brynwald of Helliste, son of Ciri.
G) Your half-niece, Astrid of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
H) Your half-niece, Brynwalda of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
I) Your half-niece, Alfdis of Helliste, daughter of Ciri.
J) Your great-nephew, Luthas, son of Houlandin III.
K) Your great-niece, Segeda, daughter of Houlandin III.
L) Your great-nephew, Yoe, son of Houlandin III.
M) Your great-niece, Aife, daughter of Houlandin III.
N) ...Actually, I will decide after I'm back from the war!
Post by: mightymushroom on May 17, 2019, 02:39:54 pm
A
Post by: birdy51 on May 17, 2019, 03:57:59 pm
Nepotism! Kind of. Not really. I think people would be upset if we picked someone who wasn't in the family for emperor anyways.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 18, 2019, 12:16:01 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on May 18, 2019, 12:34:43 pm
Post by: helmacon on May 18, 2019, 04:24:28 pm
Post by: auzewasright on May 18, 2019, 09:33:31 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 20, 2019, 10:58:09 am
With that our of the way, you ride forth from the capital, to take lead of the Army.
1218 AD, Mid-Spring
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Shortly after you join the Army, a terrible fever seizes your body.
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You hallucinate that your own great-grandfather, Cyl, has come to berate you for ruination of the Empire. Your mother arrives to back him up with harsh words.
Whether you losing your mind, or it's the fever wreaking such havoc with your intestines, you're not sure.
You're aware of much greater number of healers visiting you every hour of the day and night, though.
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Fortunately, after three days of being bedridden, you recover somewhat, and return to our officers despite your healers' wishes that you rest some more.
That's when the scouts bring news; the Army of Caius Cuscus has met with the reinforcements stationed prior in Rucus, and managed to neatly split themselves into two. Numbering around twenty-five thousand men each, with an ample amount of supplies, auxiliary cavalry and siege equipment, the two forces are marching jointly in northeastern direction, separated from each other by about an hour of gallop.
They will soon reach your position; the one personally led by Caius Cuscus might arrive a few hours sooner than the other.
Your officers are not sure whether your current numbers are sufficient to secure victory against both Damdamian armies. The aides serving you report that there has been no word from the diplomat sent to request parley with the Damdamians.
A) We have me, the prowess of our trops, and the Banner! Damdamians are done for, no matter how many they throw at us.
B) Lets maneuver around and to the side of the armies. We need make sure to defeat them separately, or all is lost.
C) We ought to retreat towards the capital, and mayhaps we find a way to bolster our numbers too.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 20, 2019, 11:48:06 am
Post by: helmacon on May 20, 2019, 11:59:46 am
Post by: mightymushroom on May 20, 2019, 12:32:48 pm
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 20, 2019, 12:46:36 pm
Post by: auzewasright on May 20, 2019, 06:41:41 pm
Post by: Wolfhunter107 on May 21, 2019, 03:38:02 am
Never split the party.
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2019, 01:12:16 pm
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The maneuver is executed brilliantly, even with Caius quickly catching up with what is happening. Your cavalry falls upon his flanks and your main force marches forth! Caius forces are out of position and for the initial engagement, you shall have the advantage.
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With fury and determination befitting the most fierce of lions, your soldiers hack away the Damdamian heathens like scythe cuts down grain during harvest. The flanks are bottled down by your cavalry, whilst your pikemen and firetubers move through the central ranks of Caius' army. For every fallen Methiantese there's at least several of Damdamian corpses surrounding it!
From top of your horse you can see that the remaining enemy Army is smaller than yours, and the difference of numbers will surely be a boon to you! You press on, hoping that this will be the battle to end the war.
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The battle continues, your soldiers taking more and more of the battlefield from the Damdamians. Your officers point out the Damdamians banners in the rear, retreating haphazardly and leaving their more courageous compatriots still fighting.
Enemy numbers dwindle rapidly, and that's when your scouts bring ill news; the other Army is but few moments from reaching the battlefield. They've managed to arrive much sooner than anticipated.
Your officers murmur that if you decide to continue the battle, you will face more than thirty five thousand troops total, most of them well-rested and quite prepared to kill some northern heathens.
A) We cannot retreat! We must press on! I can feel the taste of victory!
B) We ought to retreat for now, lest the Damdamians drown us with numbers.
Post by: Rockeater on May 23, 2019, 01:27:19 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 23, 2019, 01:33:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on May 23, 2019, 02:04:32 pm
This allows you to form ranks, establish the lines and position your cavalry at the flanks easily. By the time the Damdamians arrive, your officers and your trops are prepared for another combat. You learn that about four thousand of your soldiers are missing, presumably wounded, dead, or having ignobly fled from the field. That leaves you with about twenty thousand to command.
Still, the army is ready for the fight!
First, you hear the Damdamian battle horns.
Then you can see the Damdamian banners - there's so many banners fluttering above Damdamian troops. They're marching fast, their own horsemen in the far flanks. The large squares and the thick lines advancing upon your position make it clear that the enemy has the numerical superiority - mayhaps even as much as 2:1 against your forces.
The officers are asking what to do now.
A) "Run, run for your lives!"
B) "Onwards, to death or glory!"
Post by: helmacon on May 23, 2019, 02:05:43 pm
there is no turning back now. Let this be the end of it.
Post by: Rockeater on May 23, 2019, 02:09:37 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on May 23, 2019, 02:30:29 pm
I don't know if anyone will agree with me, but I'm just not feeling it. That's a lot of outnumbering, and Caius has a habit of splitting his forces. We may be able to get a better opportunity at another date.
Post by: Weirdsound on May 23, 2019, 03:02:23 pm
A
I don't know if anyone will agree with me, but I'm just not feeling it. That's a lot of outnumbering, and Caius has a habit of splitting his forces. We may be able to get a better opportunity at another date.
A
Let us retreat into Methiant, and force him into a war of attrition. We don't need to give everything up on a suicide charge.
Post by: Hotfire90 on May 23, 2019, 03:04:10 pm
Post by: Baffler on May 23, 2019, 03:45:02 pm
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on May 23, 2019, 03:58:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 23, 2019, 04:21:57 pm
Post by: auzewasright on May 23, 2019, 05:12:24 pm
Post by: birdy51 on May 23, 2019, 05:23:34 pm
One way or another, the game always ends because of Damedians. Let's at least give em' hell before going out.
Post by: ZBridges on May 24, 2019, 01:25:17 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on May 25, 2019, 08:25:12 pm
Post by: johiah on July 09, 2019, 03:50:36 pm
Second of all, I'm back baby!
Third of all, A.
Can't live to fight another day if you're dead.
Post by: Haspen on July 09, 2019, 04:53:23 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2023, 12:28:33 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 30, 2023, 12:29:08 pm
How about we revive this one, hm.hell yeah!
Post by: Knightwing64 on January 30, 2023, 02:18:51 pm
Post by: Prophet on January 30, 2023, 02:40:07 pm
Post by: heydude6 on January 30, 2023, 02:57:52 pm
Post by: Rockeater on January 30, 2023, 03:19:33 pm
Post by: Haspen on January 30, 2023, 04:03:00 pm
bbbbbbbbb
You shall not surrender or flee before Damdamians anymore!
You turn your troops around and prepare for combat! There's not enough time to space to find a good terrain, and you must make do with what you have.
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The initial phase of combat goes not in your favor; the first melee action is decidedly won by the Damdamians!
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The cavalry actions at the flanks also doesn't go well for your combined Army; the flanks are pressed by Damdamian horsemen and firetubers, and soon it becomes evident that Caius is rapidly gaining control of the battlefield!
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But the Damdamian push is temporarily halted; your men strengthen the center, and stop the relentless collapse of the flanks!
Unfortunately, by now you realize that your great army has became alarmingly, and visibly, smaller, compared to the Damdamian horde.
Some of your officers ride up to you.
"Emperor! This is folly! We ought to retreat now!"
A) "Never! Continue fighting! Corpse for a corpse, you hear me!!"
B) "We're indeed beaten! Sound the horns! We retreat!!"
Post by: Superdorf on January 30, 2023, 04:06:04 pm
let's cut our losses
B
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on January 30, 2023, 04:17:27 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on January 30, 2023, 04:51:33 pm
Post by: heydude6 on January 30, 2023, 07:17:34 pm
The right thing to do would be to surrender to avoid further bloodshed for our troops. To contain the consequences of our mistakes only to ourselves.
We have nothing to gain by surrendering though. So it looks like the only option is to go for a 1 in 100 chance.
I'm voting B anyway though, with the expectation that when we retreat it will be towards more favorable ground. We started this battle in bad terrain after all.
Post by: ZBridges on January 31, 2023, 01:00:35 am
Post by: Haspen on January 31, 2023, 04:14:48 pm
Incensed, or mayhaps resigned to their fate, the officers yell and join the fight!
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The mass of Methiantese army smashes into centre-left of the Damdamians forces after you call and order, throwing the entirety of Caius' tactical planning into a disarray! The huge wedge you've hammered into the Damdamians now provides you with some tactical advantage.
But from experience and from tales and from observation you know that Caius won't waste time to fix this - he is too smart and too experienced for this.
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Somehow, the Methiantese wedge continues to drive its sharp nail into the Damdamian body, and finally splits it into two halves! The left one is, by the virtue of bearing the brunt of the wedge, smaller, and towards it your officers and soldiers turn their attention under your careful guidance!
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The first line collapses under Methiantese onslaught; the second line bears the brunt of the attack and is ground to dust, the third line wavers and finally breaks for it, but the fourth line persists, assisted by hail of hot lead from behind! You realize that the squeaky war trumpets you've been hearing in past few minutes are Damdamians horns of command.
Whilst you've routed some of his forces, the old dog Caius has managed to regroup his forces mid-battle. Your tactical advantage is no more!
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Despite this, your Army itself manages to retain its cohesion and concentrates on the center and right bulk of Damdamian horde.
The meatgrinder continues and so you continue to give orders, when you notice something.
Some of your officers and squires have been collapsing. One of them has just tripped over himself, dropping his sword before managing to pull himself onto his knees wobbily.
Fatigue, not wounds, has begun to damage your Army, and comparing the amount of banners and colors you know to the darker and less pleasant colors and banners of Damdamians, you see that again you're on the smaller side.
Then, you hear Damdamian horns. Caius is issueing his commands again, and you can see the battle lines of Methiantese to finally become locked in still melee.
A) We must retreat whilst the conditions are still favorable, else we will lose through attrition!
B) Just a little more, my brave soldiers, and we will break the iron will of the southerners!
C) Dramatic moments call for dramatic actions - CHAAAAARRRGGEEE!!
Post by: Kashyyk on January 31, 2023, 04:22:04 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on January 31, 2023, 04:47:40 pm
Post by: heydude6 on January 31, 2023, 07:08:41 pm
There can be no retreat for we will die the moment we stop fighting. We must win now, or not at all.
Post by: Superdorf on January 31, 2023, 08:58:05 pm
CHARGE
Post by: mightymushroom on January 31, 2023, 10:05:44 pm
C
But, in a war of attrition against Damdamia, we probably lose. It just feels like we need that high-reward option.
(Felt like that nearly four years ago, too...)
Post by: ZBridges on January 31, 2023, 10:07:29 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 01, 2023, 03:34:38 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2023, 04:45:01 am
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2023, 10:46:44 am
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It does not go well; the charge is met with the Damdamian steel and armor of their soldiers, and their pikes and spears and firetubes easily cut and shoot down your horsemen and footsoldiers alike.
A stray shot flies by your cheek with a ripping noise and you feel hot blood on your cheek - the lead piece suredly have grazed you.
Then your horse rears in shrieking neigh!
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Fortunately, you're able to hop off it and tumble down on the grass as the wounded mount collapses onto its back and then side, red foam at its mouth.
"Emperor! Protect the Emperor!" You hear shouts around you as some hands help you up and drag you away to safety.
Your officers act on their own and sound a retreat, but you regain some of your stable mind to order them cohesively, to at least ensure that the retreat won't turn into a rout.
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Despite the bloodshed and the chaos, your commanding coupled with the elite training of Methiantense soldiers ensures the retreat proceeds smoothly; the lines at the back go first, then the middle ones, then your block, and then finally the ones at the heart of the fighting break for it. All orderly, organized, and with rhythmic pace - your soldiers couldn't do it better.
Surprisingly, during the retreat, you hear the Damdamian horns ordering an end of the battle and retreat also. Seems that Caius isn't willing to pursue you today anymore.
Its only few hours till nightfall, and at the hastily erected camp north of the battlefield, you sit down, your cheek being cleaned by the camp healer. Your officers are busy tallying the wounded, the present and the missing, gathering the information well into the night
"Deliver unto me the news." You say as their delegation shows up in front of your fire, and the healer quickly gets out of your way.
"My liege!" Says one of them. "We have counted up those that can fight and those that are wounded to any degree. In total, we have sixteen thousand men left. But that's all of them, if we take away thouse that are suffering from any wound that denies them full fighting capability, then we have about ten thousand left. Of that, about a thousand are horsemen still mounted." You grimace, the numbers way too small than you would like.
"And what of Damdamians?" The officers murmur, before one of them bows his head.
"We had few stragglers watch the retreat of Damdamians from the field and then our mounted scouts spied as much as they were able. To all gathered estimates, anywhere between twenty to twenty-five thousand Damdamians managed to leave the field on their own, few hundred more were then lifted by their companions--"
You wave your hand at the officer, silencing him. Those numbers, compared to yours, are way too high for your liking.
The firewood crackles as the tongues of flame lick at them voraciously, your eyes affixed on the fire and your mind in thoughts.
Tomorrow...
A) We negotiate!
B) We attack!
C) We retreat!
Post by: Superdorf on February 01, 2023, 11:05:59 am
Post by: heydude6 on February 01, 2023, 01:13:44 pm
This was never good terrain. We were supposed to die here, but by some miracle we didn’t. I’d rather we button our forces up in a castle and try to hold off a siege.
Post by: Prophet on February 01, 2023, 01:15:39 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 01, 2023, 01:27:24 pm
Post by: Superdorf on February 01, 2023, 01:28:12 pm
C
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2023, 02:27:27 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2023, 03:05:50 pm
1218 AD, Next Day
Your forces gather themselves up and leave for the northeast.
By afternoon, scouts bring news that Caius has similarily packed up his forces and begun slow, organized retreat southwards.
By the evening, a lone Damdamian rider is brought to you by several of your scouts.
"Greetings to Emperor of Methiant!" Says the youth, saluting, and then extends his arm with a scroll. "From General Caius to you." He explains, so one of Shadowranks takes it and passes it to you. You open it and begin reading.
'To the heathen yet valiant Emperor of Methiant
Greetings and salutations
I must commend you on your effort to postpone the inevitable, and to put the yesterday battle to a draw despite our greater numbers and your massive losses. Your predecessor was a mighty soldier and I am elated to know that the northerners seem to share this trait amongst themselves rather than it being an exception to the rule, which means our future encounters will be that much more glorious. If you weren't a heathen, I would gladly serve shoulder-to-shoulder with such a skilled leader as thee. Alas, that will not come to be.
Triple Champion of Damdamian Republic, Great General of the Republican Army, Most Faithful of Damed our Lord and the true and only God,
Caius Cuscus'
And that's all. You decide to...
A) Dismiss the letter.
B) Compose a reply.
Post by: Superdorf on February 01, 2023, 03:15:07 pm
It's moments like this that determine how we'll be remembered in generations to come. If we win, let us be remembered as magnanimous in our superiority. If we lose, let us be remembered as the noble barbarian who gave even Caius pause.
Post by: Rockeater on February 01, 2023, 04:01:16 pm
Post by: heydude6 on February 01, 2023, 04:33:17 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 01, 2023, 04:35:02 pm
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It is bad enough that you yourself can see how bad it is, so you dismiss the rider without a reply at all.
The Army retreats further north.
1218 AD, Late Spring
Your return to the capital is heralded by weeping of widows and orphans, because of how few of those who ventured south have returned with you. The soldiers are given a respite while you announce your decision to host a war council.
Once you arrive at the audience hall, the Marshal salutes.
"My Emperor! We can have another ten thousand ready by end of the year, I think, and half of those numbers by the end of Summer. But other than that we're slowly appraoching our manpower limits!" The Advisor then steps up.
"We also could contact your relatives, rulers of Eldrican, or perhaps entice the Dwarves to offer us help in return for riches of our land, or just put up monetary offers for any willing mercenary bands there are in Methiant." It is time for Treasurer to intervene.
"No, my lord! Our economical ratings are already middling, and if we overspent on this war effort, I fear for how our Empire will do in the next few years!"
As for reinforcements from abroad...
A) Send for the Dwarves!
B) Send for the Eldricans!
C) Nay!
As for buying mercenaries...
A) We need every fighting man we can get!
B) Trusting mercenaries to work alongside our professional, drilled army is a folly!
//Reminder that in such situations, split-votes will be nulled. Post both choices in one post.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 01, 2023, 04:58:13 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 01, 2023, 05:41:00 pm
B
I don't trust mercenaries to integrate into a highly trained army, and I doubt our family in Eldrican have the soldiers or goodwill to truly change the tide of war, considering what our family in Helliste sent. The Dwarves might be the only thing capable of bridging the manpower gap at this point. I'd rather be in debt forever to the Dwarves, than to submit to the Damdamians.
Post by: mightymushroom on February 01, 2023, 06:57:30 pm
B A
Post by: heydude6 on February 01, 2023, 09:39:58 pm
Mercenaries generally prefer to fight battles they believe they can win. When that isn’t the case, things tend to go “awry”
Panic tends to cause further panic. If our soldiers in the previous battle saw their weak-willed compatriots turn and run, the fear would have spread and caused a rout.
Mercenaries are literally worse than nothing. Just ask Stannis Baratheon.
I’m ambivalent on the dwarves vs family debate. I’m siding with family for now, because I have a vague feeling that the age of dwarves is over, but I’m open to arguments to the contrary.
Post by: ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES on February 02, 2023, 12:14:50 am
Post by: Haspen on February 02, 2023, 02:48:34 pm
ab
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You send an envoy to the Eldricans. No mercenaries shall minge with Methiantese soldiers, which makes both Marshal and quite a few of your noblemen grimace.
1218 AD, Summer
"M'liege." The Spymaster tips his hat, startling you on your return to your bedchambers after a meal.
"I have found out something that might turn the tide of this war." You look at the shadowed man in the hood.
"And what would that be?"
"Caius uses and has affinity for Fireblood equipment." You let out an annoyed huff.
"That I've experienced personally, yes." The Spymaster nods.
"But most of Damdamian Republic is rather wary of those who produce Fireblood, as it is proliferating in the north - that's it, our region - and they view the invention just slightly heretical. Therefore, there's no state producer for Damdamian Fireblood, and instead many enterpreneurs and alchemists and foreigners all provide Fireblood for Caius' forces, who has to fight tooth and nail to get the Damdamian Senate to approve his shipments of Fireblood... Fireblood that is of a varying, and sometimes even lacking, quality." He smiles.
"So, your Majesty, wouldn't you say it be an awful coincidence if some bad quality Fireblood would degrade and spontaneously combust exactly whilst Caius happens to be near it?"
"It would scar or wound him."
"Or worse, there's a chance he would die, along with many of his celebrated officers and officials serving him on the campaign against our Empire." You rub your chin thoughtfully - if you can't defeat them fairly, mayhaps it is time to do things the dirty way?
A) "Indeed! A worthy foe like Caius meeting such a pathetic and spontaneous end would even move me to some tears."
B) "I already have Caius and the Damdamians as state enemies. I don't need them as personal enemies, thank you very much."
Post by: heydude6 on February 02, 2023, 03:07:00 pm
State enemy, personal enemy. What’s the difference?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2023, 03:11:06 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 02, 2023, 03:50:57 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 02, 2023, 04:00:39 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 02, 2023, 04:19:45 pm
"Alas, such an accident won't happen easily. It will take time and effort to arrange for such - but some money handed over into unscrupulous hands would quicken it, m'liege."
A) "Sure, you can have the money, go have some tea with the Treasurer!"
B) "Actually, I changed my mind, we're calling this off."
C) "No money, but I believe you can do your best!"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2023, 04:28:56 pm
Post by: heydude6 on February 02, 2023, 04:32:32 pm
If this fails, it’s better to fail quickly. I only see 2 win conditions here:
1. The plan works and the army disbands as Caius loses credibility or his life
2. We exhaust their forces by holding up in forts until their logistics fail (I’ve never seen Haspen care about logistics before though)
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 02, 2023, 04:47:00 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 02, 2023, 05:20:14 pm
"Thank you, m'liege, we will arrange for Caius' untimely death with haste."
1218 AD, Midsummer
"Marriage proposal?" You look at the Advisor, and the bearded man bows his head.
"Indeed, and one from your own, vast family, too, your Majesty." You scratch your head.
"Someone from Helliste or Eldrican?"
"Well, no, sire, from Methiant, actually." You quickly go through your head for potential brides-
"Wait, I don't have any female cousin near my age in Methiant!" The Advisor claps his hands, and smiles.
"You actually do, your Majesty. Have you heard about your distant aunt, Alissa?"
"First time I hear the name."
"Indeed! Alissa was once Queen of Cydwyl, through marriage to Erik, King of Cydwyl - who was also your relative - and she was granddaughter of Valhelma, and Valhelma was daughter of Yoe II from his first marriage, to a lady named Gedavina. Yoe II was the second ruler of Methiant coming from your dynasty, and your family, starting with your illustrious great-grandfather, Cyl the Great, comes from Yoe II's second marriage, to Queen Segeda. The marriage proposal has arrived from Alissa's family." You hum, rubbing your chin thoughtfully. You've never paid attention to genealogy, and keeping track of your cousins and uncles living abroad is already a chore.
"What's her story, though?"
"Well, Alissa and her sons were exiled from the palace after getting on the wrong side of Empress Ruberta about forty years ago, and that family has laid low ever since, especially after Alissa's death. One of her sons, Aron, has a daughter named Mera, who has just recently turned eighteen. Believing that the ill will between his family and rulers of Methiant has went away with deaths of both of Ruberta and Alissa, and, of course, passing of several decades, Aron hopes to reintroduce his blood unto that of the Methiantese royals. We have did the charting of your noble family's tree to ascertain the degrees of bonds, and it turns out Mera is your half-cousin one generation lower than you, and, indeed, very far removed from you; the proper term would be '5th half-cousin once removed', my liege."
A) "It's not like I have that many foreign royals to choose from nowadays. Sure, I will marry this Mera your speak of!"
B) "My aunt Alissa and her sons surely had a good reason to be removed from palace - and their families will remain far from the palace! I will not marry Mera!"
Post by: Prophet on February 02, 2023, 06:56:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2023, 08:42:35 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on February 02, 2023, 09:49:31 pm
Post by: heydude6 on February 02, 2023, 11:31:27 pm
Edit: Finally caught up on this game. Learned a bit more about the Damadian situation. It reminds me a lot about Russia and Ukraine.
Definitely misunderstood the situation in certain ways, but either way, I feel informed enough to make a vote.
A, I see why not
Post by: auzewasright on February 05, 2023, 11:21:14 pm
Post by: Haspen on February 12, 2023, 05:14:06 am
"I will inform Aron and his daughter with haste, my liege." The Advisor bows and leaves. Later you learn that the marriage has been scheduled for Winter.
1218 AD, Autumn
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The war council is abuzz with murmur and rumors.
News have arrived that a small city of Korel, used by Damdamian crusaders as staging area in northern borderlands of Rucus, has partially blew up. It seems that Fireblood stockpiled there was accidentally ignited by someone, leading to multiple explosions that took out several quarters of the city. The casualties, amongst civilian population and the Damedian fanatics number in tens of thousands, although the losses amongst Damdamian soldiers seem to be on lower end - from few hundred to few thousand, depending on the source of these dramatic news. Amongst the casualties is the Second Prince of Rucus, Iorus Marblus, and the Damdamian general in charge of the crusade, Caius Cuscus, along with many other nobles and high-ranking officers of Rucus, Damedia and Damdamian Republic. The city is, apparently, a smoldering crater, with whatever buildings that were left standing ablaze and their occupants fleeing in panic.
While your officers and the Marshal take their places at the council table, you glance towards the pillars to look for Spymaster - and indeed he is there. He tips his pointy hat towards you from distance.
"My liege!" The Marshal shouts excitedly. "Our enemies suffered the greatest blow to their war effort. Pantheon itself must've blessed us with such an opportunity!" His subordinates murmur in agreement.
"We ought to follow through!" Says one of them, a young man, standing up. "We ought to gather our mighty Armies and attack Rucus, and take the war to Damdamians to strike panic into their hearts!"
"Nay." Says one of the veterans, glancing at the youngster with a judging stare. "That will put them on defensive, and we ourselves are example of how well defensive fighting can be pulled off. We ought to stockpile weapons, train recruits, and prepare for inevitable continuation of hostilities next year."
"Why do you insist on fighting?" Says another officer. "The Damdamians lost a city in accident and their renowned general perished in flames of happenstance and divine fate, for lack of better explanation. They're mourning. Offer the Damdamians the hand of peace, and in-midst of their tear-filled haze, they will accept and leave us alone." The war council goes up in murmurs and disagreements, before the Advisor brings peace back to it with the heavy iron ball.
A) "A golden opportunity not seen in years! Prepare the troops, good Marshal, we're invading Rucus!"
B) "We have some breathing space, let's make best of it and prepare for next year's warfare."
C) "They might actually accept our offer of peace, and trying never hurts, right?"
Post by: Kashyyk on February 12, 2023, 05:22:25 am
Post by: ZBridges on February 12, 2023, 05:24:18 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 12, 2023, 08:07:45 am
B
Post by: Knightwing64 on February 12, 2023, 09:46:16 am
The dwarves have historically always fucked us over
Post by: mightymushroom on February 12, 2023, 11:10:05 am
A follow-up attack is what gets them thinking it's a disaster. In particular, if we can put down the professional soldiers while the raw numbers are more even and they have neither modern weapons nor genius commander, it could drive a wedge between the military wing and the religious zealots. If we wait, they'll reinforce and we're back to fighting 2+ to 1.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2023, 03:40:53 pm
Remember when deciding on things its always a good idea to try to put yourself in the enemies shoes for how they would react.
Edit: Also remember that one of the reasons we did the assassination like this in the first place is cause the zealots really dislike fireblood if we attack now they will still be using it but if we wait a year its entirely possible that the stuff is entirely banned by then as a form of political compromise to avoid revolt.
Post by: heydude6 on February 12, 2023, 04:47:48 pm
Damadia is massive. We will not be able to conquer them. Either we find a diplomatic solution to this holy war, or we stay on the defensive forever.
Actually, option D: Have Eldrican talk to the damadians, would be even better.
He’s officially neutral, but a faithful worshipper of their god. If we convinced Eldrican to argue on our behalf instead, he could send a few letters expressing his outrage at this loss of life due to their dabbling in heretical arts, as a well as a few words expressing his fears that the war has caused the damadians to lose their way. It may convince the damadians that this holy war is taking them down the road to hell, and the only way to return to their god’s good graces would be to stop.
Of course, Eldrican may not actually feel this way, but he may be persuaded to think differently if we give him a good enough offer.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 12, 2023, 10:15:34 pm
Post by: Prophet on February 13, 2023, 11:11:59 am
Post by: S1lentWanderer on February 16, 2023, 04:33:12 pm
/me vuvuzelas.
800 pages of this madness already. Pity the fool who one day decides to join and tries to read it from beginning!
Anyway, I'm recommending C. Strike while the iron is hot. Or rather, while it's a bombed out shell of what it used to be. I'd rather we obtain peace now, than wait and learn from experience that their empire/republic/commune/whatever Damdamia is calling itself these days has a finite-but-arbitrarily-large supply of Martial Leaders, Soldiers, and Fireblood Units. Given its size on the maps, from what I remember, it's probably got more Martial Leaders than we have soldiers. And they're motivated by their faith, so they're not going to slow down until the entire army's been put through the meat grinder. Better to push for peace while they're reeling, than after they have a chance to regroup.
Post by: Haspen on February 18, 2023, 05:36:20 am
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You announce that enemies-in-mourning will be offered peace.
There's some grumbling, especially amongst the officers and soldiery-minded officials.
1218 AD, Mid-Autumn
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You receive a note from the Treasurer; the springwine brought the usual profits, while glassware sold solidly.
1218 AD, Late Autumn
The emissary sent to Rucus to discuss peace with Damdamians has returned.
"My liege! I bring good news?" He says, sounding rather unsure.
"What are those good news you speak of?"
"I have spoken with the general in charge of Damdamian forces in Rucus, which are busy rebuilding the city of Koral. His name was Multus Platius. The Damdamian Senate is willing to make peace with Methiant, if we provide ten years of tribute to the Rucusians who suffered the most in this war." Your court bursts out into murmur, groaning and angry shouting before the Advisor brings order to it.
"Ten years of what tribute?"
"A moderately reasonable* amount of tribute, my liege. From what I've heard from amongst my fellow men, our glassware brings us more money than the Damdamians demand of us." The mood of the court again flares, but the angry shouting is quieter than murmur and conversations.
Again, the Advisor has to slam the iron ball against his seat to quieten your officials.
A) "Outrageous!! Bring me the Marshal, we have a war to discuss!"
B) "Go back, these terms are not satisfactory! Get me a better peace deal."
C) "That is fairly reasonable. Agreed, we can swallow this bitter drink of tribute."
Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2023, 05:46:04 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on February 18, 2023, 08:32:17 am
Post by: mightymushroom on February 18, 2023, 09:02:53 am
More negotiations will not produce more concessions; the Senate can be almost as difficult to appease as the Emperors of Methiant, if you can believe such a thing possible.
Post by: ZBridges on February 18, 2023, 10:03:23 am
Post by: heydude6 on February 18, 2023, 04:59:36 pm
Post by: VoidSlayer on February 18, 2023, 11:37:53 pm
Post by: S1lentWanderer on February 18, 2023, 11:44:05 pm
At this point, I don't think we can afford more war, from a population/military standpoint.
Post by: Fluffe9911 on February 19, 2023, 12:15:45 am
My pride is too much right now for me to be fine with giving those zealot warmongering jerks a dime!
C Damad should not be underestimated. A peace offer is worth accepting if it’s on the table. The Damadians have stabbed us in the back in the past, but I believe a holy war on a state paying tribute is difficult for them to justify.They are ZEALOTS the casus belli they use to justify a war is not based on logical thought or practicality! Our mere existence as heathens is enough justification for any war! As long as the zealots continue to rule and the empire exists they will attack us again in the future, all we are doing by succumbing to their demands is giving them more funds so they can recover faster and kick our butt even harder next time around. Depending on just how zealot the leader is they may not even wait till the tributary deal is over with. We either somehow finish them off NOW, pray they collapse/become less zealot sooner rather than later, convert to their religion, or wait for the inevitable next holy war and pray for a miracle.
Post by: Prophet on February 19, 2023, 04:54:25 pm
Post by: Haspen on March 01, 2023, 01:44:14 pm
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"That is fairly reasonable. Agreed, we can swallow this bitter drink of tribute." Your words are welcomed with noise and murmur and the Advisor has to calm the courtiers once again. This admission of defeat sure won't do your authority well.
1218 AD, Winter
The joyful day of your marriage to young Mera has arrived, and so did the bride!
She is a tall, but a rather thin, girl, with a rather fragile shape of a body. Her long black hair and charming smile do go well with the sharp blue eyes she possesses, though.
The ceremony goes without a problem and the marriage feast begins in earnest!
Much to your dismay, and dismay of your courtiers, no one from your extended family showed up. The bride's father, Aron, showed up with his two sonds, Leath and Ethil. The only representative, if any, of Eldrican, is your elder cousin Rubert, but after giving felicitations on behalf of his brother Feir, King of Eldrican, it is obvious he isn't here to discuss politics with you. No one from Brynwald's family or Helliste court came at all.
Few hours into the feast, the castle guards arrive to bring you urgent news.
"Your Majesty, a delegation of Rucusian knights and lords have arrived. They say they're here to congratulate you on your marriage. They've brought some sort of a gift, too, but they refused to say what." You quickly call up the Advisor, who brushes his beard thoughtfully.
"Well, it is in bad taste to turn away guests coming to partake in a wedding or funeral celebrations, especially ones bringing gifts, but on other hand, they were on the side of our enemies just few months ago, my liege."
A) "Today we drink and make merry, lets have Rucusians taste Methiantese hospitality for once!"
B) "Turn them away, I do not want such a sweet celebration be soured by their presence!"
C) "They're enemies! And there's only one way to deal with my enemies! To the dungeon with them!!"
Post by: heydude6 on March 01, 2023, 01:54:06 pm
I have a feeling that they may have figured out who was behind the fire blood sabotage. To avoid too much diplomatic ire, tell them that it’s rude to show up to a wedding uninvited.
Post by: Rockeater on March 01, 2023, 02:22:52 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 01, 2023, 03:20:31 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 01, 2023, 03:35:26 pm
Post by: S1lentWanderer on March 01, 2023, 03:57:46 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 01, 2023, 05:17:58 pm
Post by: heydude6 on March 02, 2023, 01:32:44 am
Please understand that what we did to Rucus was horrible. We killed more civilians than soldiers. I would not be surprised if these people see us as monsters undeserving of hospitality.
So I really don’t think we should let these schemers complete the final step of their plan.
Post by: heydude6 on March 02, 2023, 01:54:36 am
Spoiler: Very important (click to show/hide)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to strike in a moment of weakness. Hospitality be dammed! We broke the rules by becoming God-emperor in the first place, I’m sure there are plenty that are longing for a return to the good-old days now that we’ve outlived our usefulness as a shield against Damad.
Vote C
Post by: ZBridges on March 02, 2023, 03:02:18 am
Post by: mightymushroom on March 02, 2023, 09:32:35 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 02, 2023, 12:39:54 pm
Please understand that what we did to Rucus was horrible.I don't see how. They were our enemies in a war of aggression against us, and frankly, they deserved it.
Post by: Kashyyk on March 02, 2023, 12:58:56 pm
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 02, 2023, 02:02:33 pm
I don't think we have to worry about retaliation via exploaive assassination. I say this because we rolled a 5 on the attempt. That's good. Sure there was collateral damage, but we have no good reason to think Rucus knows of out involvement.I mean that was literally the best possible result for that plot so I'd be a bit annoyed if they just randomly learned about it without some type of good roll on their part or bad roll on ours.
Post by: Haspen on March 02, 2023, 02:57:42 pm
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You decide to be a good host according to the rules and tell the guards to bring the Rucusians in.
As expected, their entry, with their white cloaks and menacing black eagles painted on them, chainmail clinking underneath, sure make the music stop and the laughter still on the mouths of party-goers. Their eyes look upon the cloaked knights as they make their way to your central table, and their leader salutes to you.
"Damed bless your marriage, Emperor of Methiant. The people of Rucus bring you this as a gift." He takes some long, thin item, clothed in red velvet, from the hands of his right-hand knight, and extends it to you.
Cautiously - with Shadowranks stepping closer in case this is foul trickery - you grab the long item, immediately realizing it is some sort of sheathed blade, from the feel of the shape underneath the red velvet.
You unwrap the velvet and soon a sea of murmurs and gasps comes from the mouths of more learned courtiers. You yourself quickly unsheathe the artifact blade, and its enchanted point shines in the light of the torches within your feast hall.
It is the Blade of Puncturing, the very one your father lost during his last battle!
"King of Rucus, Rumus II, sends his regards. Let the bygones be bygones, he says, for whilst heathens, Methiantese make for amicable neighbours, at least some of the time." He says, placing his mailled hands upon his heavy belt.
Courtiers murmur and gasp and sigh in happiness as you inspect the blade for faults or damage but find naught. For this...
A) ...the Rucusians will receive honor seats at your right side!
B) ...the Rucusians will be allowed to remain and partake in the festivities!
C) ...the Rucusians will be allowed to leave unharmed!
Post by: Fluffe9911 on March 02, 2023, 03:04:06 pm
Post by: Superdorf on March 02, 2023, 03:05:57 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 02, 2023, 03:11:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on March 02, 2023, 03:11:46 pm
Post by: heydude6 on March 02, 2023, 03:49:07 pm
I don't think we have to worry about retaliation via exploaive assassination. I say this because we rolled a 5 on the attempt. That's good. Sure there was collateral damage, but we have no good reason to think Rucus knows of out involvement.I mean that was literally the best possible result for that plot so I'd be a bit annoyed if they just randomly learned about it without some type of good roll on their part or bad roll on ours.
And that is the winning argument. I didn’t realize we had a nat 6.
A I was worried the nobles may accuse us of cozying up with the enemy, but considering how they too are impressed by the gift, I think we can afford to turn a new leaf.
Post by: S1lentWanderer on March 02, 2023, 04:24:41 pm
Diplomatic problems require diplomatic solutions. Enemies with unstoppable forces for armies qualify as "diplomatic problems."
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on March 02, 2023, 06:19:36 pm
Post by: mightymushroom on March 02, 2023, 06:26:53 pm
Post by: ZBridges on March 02, 2023, 11:39:58 pm
Post by: Prophet on March 05, 2023, 03:10:11 pm