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Title: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 14, 2016, 02:03:25 am

Extends the time from planting to harvest for (almost) every crop in game also alters the seasons they're available. I spent about 5 hours researching each crop one at a time to find the proper season for planting and harvesting (although perennials aren't really viable, so most of those just ended up being a once a year annual.) as well as the days to harvest after planting. The average is about 1.3 seasons, but there are a number of them that reach 7 or 8 months or longer. Garden cress was an outlier, as it was the only plant that grows faster. Afew material values might have been modified, I can't remember, but I didn't edit any plants beyond that so far.

Subterranean crops are available year round. Above ground crops are now planted seasonally, if you plant in the first season they're available they should be able to grow to harvest at least once. Overwinter and Longer-than-a-year growth works as intended.

Crops will not be planted in seasons you don't mark them active, but they will continue to grow and be harvested. A good idea is to mark the first season they're available as active so they plant them then, and will harvest that batch when it's done. Be careful about late plantings, as it may disallow you to plant in that season next year if the crop doesn't mature in time.

I have phoebus graphics, so if you're not using them the tiles may look odd with your set.

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11770

Modified Expanded plants 40.24.03 version (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=141440.0) to work with 42.06 and contain these changes. Although their research is more robust it wasn't implemented yet, also adds paper-making to it.

Added three Optional subterranean plants of my own design, they are all in cavern layers 2-3:

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Crystal Coral, which can be milled to crystal coral powder and then melted into rough rock crystal at a kiln
Uddercaps, which can have their fungimilk extracted at a farmer workshop and converted to fungicheese
Cavern spinach, a simple foodstuff crop that grows quickly and has cookable leaves as well as a 'heart' that can be eaten or cooked and contains seeds.

V3 Uploaded (Also 2/15/2016, sorry xD)
Adds plant milks, cheeses, and missing oils/soap to Almonds, Cashews, Walnuts, Peanuts, Soybeans, Rice, Quinoa, Flax, Hemp, Barley, Oat, and Spelt.
Adds Reaction to Quern and Millstone to mill beans/nuts that don't have oil so you can make milk from them, also mills oilable ones as long as they have milk.
Adds Reaction to Still to make plant milks from their paste
Cheese is made the same way as animal cheese, no new reaction needed.
All of those changes are only available in the expanded plants version, as the vanilla version lacks a viable way to get seeds from a lot of those.
On the side I'm looking to add herbs and spices, but black pepper is really complex and it's the one I started with seeing as it's one of the most important historically.

V2 Uploaded (2/15/2016)

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Adds paper making to the Expanded Plants version
Changes growth timers of all plants to make sure they can be harvested wild
Changed graphics for above ground grains to make them stand out from the many leafy stem plants (most grains are brown stems with yellow flowers when they're harvestable, now.)

Table of Seasons and Growth Times:

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1008 growdur is a season, an X means it can grow during that season

Plant	growdur	Sprg	Sumr	Fall	Wnter
Stan. Subtrn.	-	-	-	-	-
plump helmet	2015	X	X	X	X
pig tail	3024	X	X	X	X
cave wheat	3024	X	X	X	X
sweet pod	1512	X	X	X	X
quarry bush	2015	X	X	X	X
dimple cup	4032	X	X	X	X
Standard	-	-	-	-	-
muck root	2015	X		X	X
bloated tuber	3528	X	X	X	X
kobold bulb	908				X
prickle berry	1512		X	X	X
straw berry	840	X
longland grass	5040	X	X	X	X
valley herb	908			X
rat weed	840	X	X	X
fisher berry	1512	X	X
rope reed	908		X
blade weed	1000	X	X	X
hide root	1673			X	X
sliver barb	908		X
sun berry	2621	X	X	X
whip vine	5040	X	X	X	X
Crop	-	-	-	-	-
1G Wheat	1341	X	X	X
2G Wheat	1341	X	X	X
Soft Wheat	2520	X		X	X
Hard Wheat	2015	X		X	X
Spelt	1341	X	X	X
Barley	1008	X	X	X
Buckwheat	1341	X	X	X
Oats	2621	X	X	X	X
Alfalfa	1008	X	X	X	X
Rye	2015	X	X	X
Sorghum	1176	X	X	X
Rice	2015	X	X	X
Maize	1680	X	X
Quinoa	1341		X	X
Kaniwa	2349	X		X	X
Bitter Vetch	2620		X	X	X
Pendant Amaranth	2620		X	X	X
Blood Amaranth	1612	X	X	X
Purple Amaranth	1612	X	X	X	X
Red Spinach	1341	X	X	X
ElepHead Amaranth	1341		X	X
Pearl Millet	2319	X	X	X
White MIllet	1613		X	X
Finger Millet	1210	X	X
Foxtail millet	1310	X	X
Fonio	1311	X	X	X
Teff	1176	X	X	X
Flax	1176	X	X	X
Jute	1176	X	X	X
Hemp	1613		X	X
Cotton	2319	X	X	X
Ramie	908	X	X	X
Kenaf	1176	X	X	X
Papyrus Sedge	1613	X	X	X
Garden	-	-	-	-	-
Artichoke	2015	X	X	X
Asparagus	1613	X		X	X
Bambara Nut	1340	X	X	X
String Bean	500	X	X
Broad Bean	2349	X		X	X
Beet	500			X	X
Bitter Melon	1673	X	X	X
Cabbage	1310	X	X	X
Caper	2349	X	X	X
Wild Carrot	1341	X	X	X
Cassava	1341	X	X
Celery	1341	X		X	X
Chickpea	1108	X	X
Chicory	908		X	X
Cowpea	1613		X	X
Cucumber	500	X	X
Eggplant	1673		X	X
Garden Cress	202	X
Garlic	2621	X		X	X
Horned Melon	1176	X	X
Leek	1613	X			X
Lentil	1176	X	X
Lettuce	500	X			X
Mung Bean	1176	X	X
Muskmelon	1176	X	X
Onion	1613	X	X		X
Parsnip	2688	X	X	X
Pea	500	X		X
Peanut	1341		X	X
Chili Pepper	1176	X	X	X
Potato	1612		X	X
Radish	333	X		X
Red Bean	1341	X	X
Rhubarb	4020	X	X	X	X
Soybean	1341		X	X
Spinach	840		X	X
Squash	1176	X	X
Sweet Potato	1673		X	X
Taro	2352	X	X	X
Tomato	840	X	X	X
Tomatillo	1176	X	X	X
Turnip	1176	X	X
Urad Bean	1334	X		X	X
Watermelon	840	X	X
Winter Melon	2352	X	X	X
Lesser yam	2352		X	X	X
Long Yam	1512	X	X	X
Purple Yam	2688	X	X		X
White Yam	2352	X		X	X
Passion Fruit	6048	X	X	X	X
Grape	4000	X	X	X	X
Cranberry	4000	X	X	X	X
Bilberry	4000	X	X	X	X
Blueberry	4000	X	X	X	X
Blackberry	4000	X	X	X	X
Raspberry	4000	X	X	X	X
Pineapple	908		X
Custom	-	-	-	-	-
Crystal Coral	8064	X	X	X	X
Uddercap	2015	X	X	X	X
Cavern Spinach	500	X	X	X	X

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: jwest23 on February 14, 2016, 08:26:49 am

Very nice.  I've wanted for something like this but haven't gotten around to doing it myself.  Thank you!

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 14, 2016, 12:45:56 pm

The old Expanded Plants was actually for 40.24 - the '3' was because it was the 3rd release for 40.24. That said, I believe it should be compatible with 42.06.

There's a couple of common plant modding pitfalls it looks like you missed:

• Dwarves currently won't plant seeds if the year will roll over before they mature. This makes overwintering plants, as seems to be necessary with at least onions, leeks, and purple yams, impossible.
• For aboveground plants, the [SPRING][SUMMER][FALL][WINTER] tags do double duty not only for planting seasons but also for seasons they'll appear above ground. This is a potential problem for a couple reasons:
• Plants with fruit only get seeds from their fruit (with the exception of strawberries, which are bugged to be usable both as whole plants and as fruits), and in the wild, fruit is only available during the summer. For the vanilla version this shouldn't be a problem because IIRC, all the affected plants are bugged so that their seeds aren't available from wild plants anyway. For Expanded Plants it would affect strawberries, soft wheat, hard wheat, kaniwa, asparagus, broad beans, peas, and urad beans.
• Possibly a bigger problem is that when an aboveground plant goes out of season in the wild, all instances of it immediately disappear off the map. New plants continue spawning during the seasons it's away, and a species that is only available one season of the year isn't prioritized for spawning during that season. The result of this is that plants which aren't available year-round are crowded out in the wild very quickly - in the case of plants that aren't available in the spring, they'll be quite rare from the very beginning.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 14, 2016, 01:05:25 pm

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Those are definitely things I didn't know about, hmmm.
Not only are there overwintering plants, but plants here that by default take more than a year to grow.
EDIT: I've tested a plant that takes longer than a year (whipvines, at 5040, or 5 seasons), they can be planted any time of year, do not disappear at end of year, and complete their growth as normal to be harvested. I'm gonna test out an overwinter plant that isn't a year-round though, to be safe. Testing, so far I'm able to plant overwinter plants in spring when they disappear at the end of it, I'm gonna go the full year and make sure I can grow them proper though. I've grown a celery overwinter, I'm now making sure it works two years, since I wasn't allowed to plant celery that wouldn't mature this spring. After failing to mature a crop in a season, that season is marked red for that crop and your dwarves won't plant it, this leaves a possibility that a season that you could grow successfully in could be marked as a failure - so be careful about late plantings. Most crops won't have that problem though, especially if you don't plant them in the middle of the growing season.

I'm trying to think of something to deal with the wild plants problem, perhaps doubling the plants and having one be the wild variety, which gives growths of the domestic variety? I'm not sure if it's possible to have a plant give seeds of another plant... Although... Could add a reaction to harvest seeds of the domestic plant from the wild variety. That'd be super annoying, but more effective than not having them at all. I'll admit I hadn't played a full year of testing yet. I only got to winter xD

EDIT: Actually, could I just give the wild cultivar (with proper vanilla seasons from Spring-Winter) the SEED_MAT of another plant instead of LOCAL_PLANT
i.e. [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SEED_MAT:PLANT_MAT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP:SEED], would give plump helmet seeds regardless of the plant that you were getting the seed from
I gotta go do some !!SCIENCE!! for this...

Edit2: Science done, I grew plump helmets which when brewed gave pig tail seeds that planted as pig tails. I'll work on fixing that second problem in it's entirety by separating wild from domestic plants... The overwintering problem on the other hand is quite concerning.

continuing the science, it seems that the seeds of the domestic plant are considered a part of the wild variety, and as such cannot be planted as either crop until you get a part of the other crop that is considered only to be it. Which you can't without planting the seeds. So that's either a dead end or a failure on my part.
I'm assuming a second work around would be to hand designate the timers on the growths of each plant so as to make sure valid growths occur before the node dies, I'll see where that gets me.

Alright, so as far as I've seen overwinter and longer-than-a-year growth works no problems. I didn't even have to fix anything for that. You were right about the seasons though, so I'm changing the timers on all growths to fit the plants growing seasons and harvest times. I've already got that done for the expanded plants version, but I'm gonna hold off until I do the vanilla one too. I'll work on that tomorrow. Oh, and I also added paper products to the expanded plants stuff, since they were missing.

Uploaded latest version with both vanilla and expanded plants having proper growth seasons for plant gathering.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 15, 2016, 06:19:02 pm

Thanks for re-testing the overwintering bug! I wonder when that was fixed :).

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 15, 2016, 08:35:15 pm

Yeah, I have no idea. But everything works right. So that's good!

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 15, 2016, 08:39:11 pm

Oh, neat. Thanks for putting this together.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 15, 2016, 08:44:22 pm

I'm mostly doing it for me! xD

I just think it's polite to put it here so no one else has to go do all this themselves.
I got lots of free time especially while I wait for Dwarf Therapist to get to 42.06.

When my brain evens out from all the work, I'm probably gonna work on adding herbs and spices, like pepper, cinnamon, tea, etc. I was hoping I could make a reaction to decorate prepared meals with spices... but decorating is hard coded D:
Might even add salt deposits if I can but that'd be a stretch for the initial point of this haha. Which when I think of it is just an edible rock. I wonder if there's any other edible rocks I could add...

OOH. An underground crop that makes salt deposits, yesssss.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 16, 2016, 12:14:32 pm

Btw Claije here is a reference table mapping growth_timing and growth_print tick values to their real-life, northern hemisphere equivalents: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Modification:Expanded_Plants/Timing

I made it for myself but if you're dealing with plant timings it's likely to be useful to you too.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 16, 2016, 02:39:46 pm

I just kinda guess and by-goshed it knowing that a season was 1008 hundred ticks, but thanks, this is indeed more precise.

The way I figured it was using the crop data I scrubbed up from the internet, namely the planting season and days to maturity of the crops (most of which were in months or weeks, so easy to use as a multiplier of the 1008 hundred ticks), I made sure that the wild plants had their important growths starting at the point that the first possible harvest would be if it were grown as a crop and left them until a little before their last season ends, and put the flowers just before the growths show (usually). This does mean that some crops are indeed harder to get wild, as they may have a very short period of time that their growths are available (I think as an example, there were afew that only had their growths for about 35000 ticks - but that's still more than one month), and like you said before if they are there when it isn't their season they die out and have to be replaced. It should atleast be possible to get any wild plants that grow in your area, though.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 16, 2016, 06:32:23 pm

By the way, thank you for the idea of using different plant objects for wild & farmed plants. It solves a few problems I was wrestling with. :)

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on February 16, 2016, 08:42:31 pm

I tried it, but something went wrong. Like I said if you put the seed of one plant in another, that seed is considered part of (I'm assuming) the first plant you have in your area regarding that seed, which in this case was wild. So having the seed didn't let me plant the cultivar that wasn't wild - only the wild one (even though it grew another plant) but at the same time, since the wild plant had no actual seed it wasn't allowed to be planted :P It was really really weird stuff!

I'm sure you could get something useful out of that styling though, it just didn't help my problem at ALL xD

But yeah, it's not a huge stretch to be honest, wild plants are rarely very similar to their cultivated kin - there's a lot of genealogy going on there.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 17, 2016, 11:17:45 am

Quote from: Claije on February 16, 2016, 08:42:31 pm

I tried it, but something went wrong. Like I said if you put the seed of one plant in another, that seed is considered part of (I'm assuming) the first plant you have in your area regarding that seed, which in this case was wild. So having the seed didn't let me plant the cultivar that wasn't wild - only the wild one (even though it grew another plant) but at the same time, since the wild plant had no actual seed it wasn't allowed to be planted :P It was really really weird stuff!

I'm sure you could get something useful out of that styling though, it just didn't help my problem at ALL xD

But yeah, it's not a huge stretch to be honest, wild plants are rarely very similar to their cultivated kin - there's a lot of genealogy going on there.

Shouldn't be a problem w/ the final version of Expanded Plants. Seeds almost always come in pods, spikes, or other seed-containing growths :).

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Dirst on February 17, 2016, 11:31:52 am

Quote from: Claije on February 16, 2016, 08:42:31 pm

I tried it, but something went wrong. Like I said if you put the seed of one plant in another, that seed is considered part of (I'm assuming) the first plant you have in your area regarding that seed, which in this case was wild. So having the seed didn't let me plant the cultivar that wasn't wild - only the wild one (even though it grew another plant) but at the same time, since the wild plant had no actual seed it wasn't allowed to be planted :P It was really really weird stuff!

I'm sure you could get something useful out of that styling though, it just didn't help my problem at ALL xD

But yeah, it's not a huge stretch to be honest, wild plants are rarely very similar to their cultivated kin - there's a lot of genealogy going on there.

Can you make the wild plant's seed out of the cultivar's SEED material?  I wonder if that would make wild-gathered seeds produce cultivars when farmed.  The wild ones will just respawn regardless.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Button on February 17, 2016, 11:45:29 am

Quote from: Dirst on February 17, 2016, 11:31:52 am

Quote from: Claije on February 16, 2016, 08:42:31 pm

I tried it, but something went wrong. Like I said if you put the seed of one plant in another, that seed is considered part of (I'm assuming) the first plant you have in your area regarding that seed, which in this case was wild. So having the seed didn't let me plant the cultivar that wasn't wild - only the wild one (even though it grew another plant) but at the same time, since the wild plant had no actual seed it wasn't allowed to be planted :P It was really really weird stuff!

I'm sure you could get something useful out of that styling though, it just didn't help my problem at ALL xD

But yeah, it's not a huge stretch to be honest, wild plants are rarely very similar to their cultivated kin - there's a lot of genealogy going on there.

Can you make the wild plant's seed out of the cultivar's SEED material?  I wonder if that would make wild-gathered seeds produce cultivars when farmed.  The wild ones will just respawn regardless.

Quote from: Claije on February 14, 2016, 01:05:25 pm

EDIT: Actually, could I just give the wild cultivar (with proper vanilla seasons from Spring-Winter) the SEED_MAT of another plant instead of LOCAL_PLANT
i.e. [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SEED_MAT:PLANT_MAT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP:SEED], would give plump helmet seeds regardless of the plant that you were getting the seed from
I gotta go do some !!SCIENCE!! for this...

That's what they said didn't work.

Might be able to do it with ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCTs instead of MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCTs though.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Dirst on February 17, 2016, 02:15:35 pm

Quote from: Button on February 17, 2016, 11:45:29 am

That's what they said didn't work.

Sorry didn't read the stuff under the strikethrough in the spoiler.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Mephansteras on April 27, 2017, 11:27:54 am

Bit of a necro, but does anyone know if this mod works for 0.43.05?

If not, is there a more recent mod that has this sort of overhaul to the plants? So far this is the most comprehensive I've found searching the forums.

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on May 06, 2017, 05:35:07 pm

I'm not sure how it interacts with the changes to work-orders and job specifications. I wouldn't want to just say "yeah it should work" because it might prevent or alter those new additions from toady. Lemme do some !!Science!!

Actually, looking again at the install instructions and files edited - Should work just fine.
the Vanilla version *only* changes the plants, not the reactions.
the extended version mostly adds new files; but does edit reaction_other; I saw no changes to reaction other from 42.6 to 43.3 and 43.4-5 is just bugfixes.
adding the extra plants manually edits the only file changed (while adding afew others).

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Mephansteras on May 08, 2017, 02:48:47 pm

Cool, thanks.

Also, assuming this does what I need, would you mind if I included it in Civilization Forge? (With credit, of course).

Title: Re: [42.06] Claije's Seasonal Farming
Post by: Claije on May 09, 2017, 10:51:12 am

Feel free, man.