Really? I thought the problem was that I've never found a free online IQ test that seemed legitimate and I have no idea how to get any other.
Also, to me, not knowing is more fun than knowing. Also more face-saving.
Fact : IQ tests are garbage. Especially internet IQ tests. I've taken a couple, I always get a score of 140-160 (I am NOT a "genius"), and then they try to sell me a certificate with my score on it.Exactly. I don't believe any "test" will correctly gauge your intelligence in 30 questions.
Why do the options only go down to 80?Do you mean even if you answer every question wrong and sit there for hours before pressing finish you still get 80?
Why do the options only go down to 80?Do you mean even if you answer every question wrong and sit there for hours before pressing finish you still get 80?
Mine is... 0 :P. (Hasn't bothered to take one)
I'd be curious to know the profession of the average, employed DF player. How many engineers do you think we have running amock?
I completed the test, only guessed one answer, am confident i got the rest right.I just gave it a throwaway email and 'null' as the name. It's the screen after that that's the scam, where it asks for significantly more, and money. It does email the results to you anyways, though.
Then I saw it asking for e-mail address and age, and thought 'oh-ho, you aren't fooling me!' and left the site.
Everything is a scam.
A more reliable method is to use your SAT score, the dirty little secret of the entire educational establishment is that the SAT is nothing more then a glorified IQ test. Your combined verbal/math score in can be converted to an IQ rather easily.Interesting. Though there isn't a conversion chart for the new 2400 SATs, which I did better on. Using my old 1600 SAT scores (taken as a 6th grader), my IQ is an estimated 136-138.
Use this converter and your last SAT score, it should be a lot more reliable. But in any event a standard deviation is about as much accuracy as should be assumed here. My score of 1410 puts me some ware in the third standard deviation, which I suspect a lot of DF players will be in (about half of us are Programmers for one thing).
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/oldSATIQ.aspx (scores before 1995)
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx (after 1995)
I'm not sure anyone here has taken a legitimate IQ test, such as the WAIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale). However, I took such a test at around 16 that marked my IQ at 162. I don't remember what it was called, but it was a professional affair at the school I attended.Course it's unlikely that you would, that's the whole point of adjusting for age. What I'm really curious about is whether your consciousness, the sum of your everyday thoughts, is significantly different from mine.
I am now 20, so assuming I answer the questions exactly the same way, my score would be somewhere around 130 or 140.
My understanding is that the 2400 point SAT is the old 1600 one with a 100% meaningless writing section tacked onto the end. I remember something about that being ignored by universities and such because "the scoring isn't properly calibrated yet" or something along those lines.A more reliable method is to use your SAT score, the dirty little secret of the entire educational establishment is that the SAT is nothing more then a glorified IQ test. Your combined verbal/math score in can be converted to an IQ rather easily.Interesting. Though there isn't a conversion chart for the new 2400 SATs, which I did better on. Using my old 1600 SAT scores (taken as a 6th grader), my IQ is an estimated 136-138.
Use this converter and your last SAT score, it should be a lot more reliable. But in any event a standard deviation is about as much accuracy as should be assumed here. My score of 1410 puts me some ware in the third standard deviation, which I suspect a lot of DF players will be in (about half of us are Programmers for one thing).
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/oldSATIQ.aspx (scores before 1995)
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx (after 1995)
Lol, we now know that the bay12 forums are full of 13-20 year old geniuses.
How interesting.
Lol, we now know that the bay12 forums are full of 13-20 year old geniuses.
How interesting.
Worst. Bell curve. Ever.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Isn't is painfully obvious internet IQ tests inflate your score? This is so they become popular ("I scored 168! You try it!") and make money from adspace, and almost always so that they can try to sell you a certificate with your score for bragging rights. It's a really transparent ploy.
Yes, but then the question is "How smart do you have to be to recognize their scheme?"
My understanding is that the 2400 point SAT is the old 1600 one with a 100% meaningless writing section tacked onto the end. I remember something about that being ignored by universities and such because "the scoring isn't properly calibrated yet" or something along those lines.
Yes, but then the question is "How smart do you have to be to recognize their scheme?"
Of Cause!
The test isn't the test itself, but is in realizing that the test is a sham!
Have you heard of The Dunning-Kruger effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
...which meant that for a couple days, Livejournal was full of people with sub-100 IQs and posts saying "Wow, I didn't expect to do this well, I'm really surprised!"
I would like to direct everyone here to, oh, browse through the GameFAQs forums for a few minutes. Not to see any specific thing, but rather to see the rather obvious dichotomy between the ability of the posters there to string together coherent sentences compared to the posters here.
The high IQ of DF players might come from its complexity. Those who think its too confusing usually leave in the first minute.
Its a stupidity filter!
Sowelu: Hah, those are awesome. Do you know where those sites are? And why did you take so many IQ tests?/
And either way, I dont fit in. I'm the jockiest of all nerds and nerdiest of all jocks ... :'(
Sadly, last time I saw either of those was ~4 years ago, they're quite likely not even online anymore.The endless IQ test was from thespark.com, which now redirects you to a sparknotes site.
And either way, I dont fit in. I'm the jockiest of all nerds and nerdiest of all jocks ... :'(
Reminds me of me. Lets steal a table in the cafeteria.
I'm a stay-at-home wife and professional artist. There's no way I'm smarter than her.Arguable. I guess I'd prefer your life over hers, so maybe you ARE the smarter one :P
I've never trusted standardized tests for measuring intelligence . . . not since I was little anyway. You see, my older sister is the smartest person I know. She read the complete works of Shakespeare by the age of 12, got straight A's all throughout her school career (and her school career included such topics as Astrophysics, Biochemistry, and Molecular Virology at the most advanced prep school in our state), and found a vaccine for a virus that causes cancer in chickens as her high school project. Not to mention that she recently graduated magna cum laude with a dual degree in Biology and Chemistry and is currently working with autistic children in helping them communicate with the outside world. (One of her charges began to speak for the first time in his entire life under her care.)You are not your sister. Don't compare yourself to what she's good at. You're good at different things.
And I have always, always scored higher than her on standardized tests. Not by a small margin either.
The fact of the matter is that I'm not nearly as smart as she is, nor do I have the excellent track record she has for accomplishments. I've never read the complete works of Shakespeare. I almost flunked out of AP Biology, and my school project wasn't a practical application of science. I'm a stay-at-home wife and professional artist. There's no way I'm smarter than her. So if the standardized tests say that I'm smarter then they're wrong.
*gets off the soapbox* :D
EDIT: Though I would like to make it clear that I don't begrudge anybody a feeling of pride for having scored well or taken the test or anything. Whatever makes you feel smart/happy is a good thing! I just don't trust standardized tests.
To be fair, I wouldn't have guessed Areyar wasn't native to english- you're certainly better in text than most of the people on popular forums.Most non-native English speakers are. They take more care with what they type than native speakers do, because they had to work to learn it, and don't take it for granted like Squeakers do.
I got that super cool autism that makes me super bright and super cool. Asperger's to be exact. Yes, I know, I know that you wish you were certified autistic like me, but you're not and I am and I'm super cool and super bright thanks to Aspergers. Oh yeah, only one drawback bros -- I can't talk to girls or look them in the eyes. Weirds me out bros. OK, later super cool super bright bros.
I'm a stay-at-home wife and professional artist. There's no way I'm smarter than her.Arguable. I guess I'd prefer your life over hers, so maybe you ARE the smarter one :P
You are not your sister. Don't compare yourself to what she's good at. You're good at different things.
Pick the one that doesn't fit in.
A. Apple
B. Pineapple
C. Orange
D. Carrot
The right answer? Pineapple, because it has 3 syllables.
Well, my advanced brain says carrot, because carrot doesn't have an e.
Someone else could argue that it's carrot because it's not sweet.
Or apple because there's no such thing as an orange colored apple.
I picked them at random, giving me a score of 123.
I just really don't know how else to explain how much smarter than me she is than reciting things which are seen to have an inherent cultural value.
I just really don't know how else to explain how much smarter than me she is than reciting things which are seen to have an inherent cultural value.
Please bear with me a bit, I've been watching The Big Bang Theory lately.(hilarious!)
Anyone who's seen the series knows, Sheldon and Leonard are a pair of PhDs working in a physics lab, and a pretty farm-girl moves in across the hall.(and if you haven't seen the show, there's your premise.) In the pilot episode, Sheldon mentions that he and Leonard have a combined IQ over 360, and Sheldon is the smarter of the two. And Sheldon is arguably "smarter" in the "inherent cultural value" you're talking about.
But anybody who's watched the show also knows that Sheldon is a complete and utter moron. He can calculate dozens of dimensions in his head and is obsessed with String theory, is basically given to be the brainiest character on the show, but he has no social skills whatsoever, and if given a task which doesn't involve theoretical physics, he chokes.(He's also violently OCD and a spineless mamma's boy, to boot.)
Penny, the attractive neighbor, is actually top-tier intelligence for the show. Most of what the "genius" characters say goes whizzing right over her head, but she handles it just fine, often talks it down to normal-speak on her own, and more importantly, is fairly well-adjusted. "Oh, why didn't you just get a universal remote at Radio Shack?"
"Hey look, it's raining you!"
I hate IQ tests. I could go on a full scale ramble on them if I had time.
The right answer? Pineapple, because it has 3 syllables.
Dear reader, if you are offended here, then it was on purpose.
It was not ment as trolling, but more of: "I am taking the time to make it sound nicer, if it sounds like I offends you, then thats my fault, (and yours too)"Dear reader, if you are offended here, then it was on purpose.
Please no trolling, I'm really enjoying this thread. :( Please?
I would say that apple pineapple and orange all grow on trees.They don't.
It was not ment as trolling, but more of: "I am taking the time to make it sound nicer, if it sounds like I offends you, then thats my fault, (and yours too)"Dear reader, if you are offended here, then it was on purpose.
Please no trolling, I'm really enjoying this thread. :( Please?
as in: please be aware that I might/might-not-be saying hurtful things, please do not take them personal.
I suck at explaining.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
Well, um, isn't boiling water steam? When water boils it evaporates into steam.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
Seen the show (entirely thanks to my sister, actually), so I get what you're talking about. :D I'd argue that the show has characters that seem to have inversely proportional IQs to Emotional IQs. Seems like in the show the higher your EIQ is, the lower your IQ is, and vice-versa.
This is the In ternet Rysith apperantly it is a fad to believe your Autistic.
Though that comes from the fact that people apperantly confuse "Quirks" with "Autism" (Even News Stations have confused this)
So you put up "How autistic are you?" You are going to get a lot of people who believe they have a high functioning Autism rather then simply being Intrapersonal or secluded.
the line between "introverted nerd" and "aspergers" can be a bit fuzzy even then
In this post, Wolfram makes an ass of himself, proves that he has no idea what IQ means, and deply insults einstein and tesla. (but he doesn't realize this.)
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:It depends on your definition of steam and boiling water, however scientifically, boiling water is hotter, because it is producing gaseous water. Steam, or the common definition of it, is mostly water vapor or liquid water suspend in the air and gaseous water, but it is decreasing in temperature, so it has to be cooler than boiling water.
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
I hate IQ tests. I could go on a full scale ramble on them if I had time.I say carrot because it's a vegetable and the rest are fruit.
Suffice it is to say that the smartest person in the world is apparently the person who made the test.
Pick the one that doesn't fit in.
A. Apple
B. Pineapple
C. Orange
D. Carrot
The right answer? Pineapple, because it has 3 syllables.
Well, my advanced brain says carrot, because carrot doesn't have an e.
Someone else could argue that it's carrot because it's not sweet.
Or apple because there's no such thing as an orange colored apple.
IQ tests are for nerds.
I'm autistic too. bah
Pick the one that doesn't fit in.
A. Apple
B. Pineapple
C. Orange
D. Carrot
Steam would have to be hotter. If it were cooler, then it wouldn't be steam, it would be sub-boiling water, possibly dissolved in the air. Assuming the air pressure is one atmosphere, and the water is undiluted, the water will only get up to 100 degrees celcius, after that the energy absorbed goes into the phase change. You're then left with steam at 100 degrees, assuming the energy being dumped into the water also gets into the steam, that would leave the steam marginally hotter than the water, but it has significantly more energy than the water regardless of that.ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:It depends on your definition of steam and boiling water, however scientifically, boiling water is hotter, because it is producing gaseous water. Steam, or the common definition of it, is mostly water vapor or liquid water suspend in the air and gaseous water, but it is decreasing in temperature, so it has to be cooler than boiling water.
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
Your still thinking wrong. Visible steam is not GASEOUS water thus it is less hot, because it is suspend water vapor and gaseous water, and it is cooling down and condensing. However boiling water is becoming gaseous water and is not cooling down it is heating up, so in the idea of heat or the excitement of particles and how it transfers - how hot it is, boiling water is hotter than steam. Steam doesn't have to be heated to exist. It can exist below 100 celsius. Boiling water cannot in normal earth pressures (1 atm) exist below 100 celsius.Steam would have to be hotter. If it were cooler, then it wouldn't be steam, it would be sub-boiling water, possibly dissolved in the air. Assuming the air pressure is one atmosphere, and the water is undiluted, the water will only get up to 100 degrees celcius, after that the energy absorbed goes into the phase change. You're then left with steam at 100 degrees, assuming the energy being dumped into the water also gets into the steam, that would leave the steam marginally hotter than the water, but it has significantly more energy than the water regardless of that.ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:It depends on your definition of steam and boiling water, however scientifically, boiling water is hotter, because it is producing gaseous water. Steam, or the common definition of it, is mostly water vapor or liquid water suspend in the air and gaseous water, but it is decreasing in temperature, so it has to be cooler than boiling water.
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
If it's a trick question, you're probably right. Ugh, it's too fucking ambiguous, and depends on whatever particular interpretation was going through the head of the person that wrote it. Shit like that on tests always pisses me off, when a question is ambiguous, wholly subjective, or both. Fortunately, I have a tendency to guess which of the right answers the writer was thinking...
But condensing water isn't steam, if you're speaking in scientific terms. It's referred to as steam in layman's terms...Your still thinking wrong. Visible steam is not GASEOUS water thus it is less hot, because it is suspend water vapor and gaseous water, and it is cooling down and condensing. However boiling water is becoming gaseous water and is not cooling down it is heating up, so in the idea of heat or the excitement of particles and how it transfers - how hot it is, boiling water is hotter than steam. Steam doesn't have to be heated to exist. It can exist below 100 celsius. Boiling water cannot in normal earth pressures (1 atm) exist below 100 celsius.Steam would have to be hotter. If it were cooler, then it wouldn't be steam, it would be sub-boiling water, possibly dissolved in the air. Assuming the air pressure is one atmosphere, and the water is undiluted, the water will only get up to 100 degrees celcius, after that the energy absorbed goes into the phase change. You're then left with steam at 100 degrees, assuming the energy being dumped into the water also gets into the steam, that would leave the steam marginally hotter than the water, but it has significantly more energy than the water regardless of that.ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:It depends on your definition of steam and boiling water, however scientifically, boiling water is hotter, because it is producing gaseous water. Steam, or the common definition of it, is mostly water vapor or liquid water suspend in the air and gaseous water, but it is decreasing in temperature, so it has to be cooler than boiling water.
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
If it's a trick question, you're probably right. Ugh, it's too fucking ambiguous, and depends on whatever particular interpretation was going through the head of the person that wrote it. Shit like that on tests always pisses me off, when a question is ambiguous, wholly subjective, or both. Fortunately, I have a tendency to guess which of the right answers the writer was thinking...
Pfffft.
Wrong. In a perfect scenario, water can reach way about boiling point temperatures through surface tension.
Thus thus thus. Water and Steam are neither hotter. They don't exist. The water is lie.
To be fair, I wouldn't have guessed Areyar wasn't native to english- you're certainly better in text than most of the people on popular forums.
Anyway, those that voted <80 are probably either brave or have serious self-confidence issues.
I voted 130-139 because that's where I usually score on Bellevue school district tests... and Bellevue seems to (generally) be tougher than most, although we took a dent just like everyone else from No Child Left Behind and similar stuff. IMO, people with developmental issues should be in their own programs, not normal people taking everything and a developmentally issued pace...
Anyway, the IQ tests here are probably skewed a bit.
efficiency is more important than intellect. Unfortunately I appear to have lots of the latter and not a single drop of the former :(
IQ is a silly way to test intellect. Until we understand the human brain, we shouldn't try to quantify intellect. It's like counting to 1000 without knowing what 1000 is, or what most of the numbers in between are.
....Can't remember the term used for 'non-scientific name', is it nomenclature?"Layman's terms" is all that comes to mind. "Nomenclature" is usually used in the sense of "scientific nomenclature", if I'm not mistaken.
Wrong. In a perfect scenario, water can reach way about boiling point temperatures through surface tension.But then it's not boiling (Not that that negates your point, just saying)
This is the standardized test. I have not taken it in 2 years. I'm going to retake it now.
http://www.3smartcubes.com/pages/tests/iq-test/iq-test_instructions.asp
This thread is horrible, the poll is bullshit and the quality of posting has hit HFS bottom.
layman nomenclature would be laymen's terms, scientific nomenclature would be scientific terms, basically nomenclature is the terms a group uses.....Can't remember the term used for 'non-scientific name', is it nomenclature?"Layman's terms" is all that comes to mind. "Nomenclature" is usually used in the sense of "scientific nomenclature", if I'm not mistaken.
heh. My neighbours for example: they cannot have a discussion, if you disagree then it becomes an argument.
A while back we were having a wineparty in the garden (neighbour is a wino) and he was talking about fermentation etc, he made a very basic mistake (it requiring O2 I think) and I corrected him, while thinking "finally, a topic I know about". This was not acceptable. While I have a degree in biology and have done some microbrewing, even after showing him some diagrams (http://www.bio.miami.edu/~cmallery/255/255atp/mcb8.5.fermentation.jpg) of the Crebs cycle (http://vincentimbe.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/krebs-cycle.jpg) and fermentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_(biochemistry)) he was not convinced but just grudgingly dropped the subject.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
There's a book that deals in this subject that I'm very fond of, called "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
There's a book that deals in this subject that I'm very fond of, called "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
Widely regarded as the first self help book. Changed my life. I still use it's lessons on a daily basis.
Mostly because prior to that I had crap for social skills, and there was a lot of 'holy crap, I can see how that's true' moments while reading it.
hehe, looks like all those that answered are smarter than every test that i have taken that wanted to know what i knew about the subject. of course that also means that everyone would have failed with the answers they gave. every child knows that it takes longer to get burnt by steam, than boiling water, and when a person is taught about boiling point and the transition to gas, for some reason we are supposed to forget all of our past experiences with the subject. so if you understood the subject matter taught, then at the very least you should be quite confused by the question, or you understand that it is a trick question and don't care what you answer, or you know what answer they want and just give it to them. since i have only encountered this question on multiple choice tests, i would say that in such a circumstance it is impossible to answer the question correctly.
which also means that on the subject of non native english speakers speaking english better than native english speakers is also not a simple answer, the simplest answer is that they speak more academically. since native english speakers are the stick to which english speaking is measured it would be impossible to speak english better than a native english speaker, unless you put that native english speaker in a different category of english, such as non-academic english.layman nomenclature would be laymen's terms, scientific nomenclature would be scientific terms, basically nomenclature is the terms a group uses.....Can't remember the term used for 'non-scientific name', is it nomenclature?"Layman's terms" is all that comes to mind. "Nomenclature" is usually used in the sense of "scientific nomenclature", if I'm not mistaken.
Hah! I love the post results. Just reinforces my opinion that 90% of DF players have a bloated ego.
Well, seriously, though, I think DF players do have a higher IQ. Because looking at ASCII guys scurrying about indicates patterns. Pretty much two thirds of IQ tests are about pattern recognition.
You know, I know why everyone's so damn smart.
It's because that instead of looking at 3d models like all the idiots, we look at 2d pictures and symbols, and tell the symbols what to do and where to go!
That needs an IQ of 130+! No way an idiot could EVER play the game, EVER.
I'mm a 11 years old so don't critisize, I got 111(and I play Df, Sparks is wrong).
OK, you guys are too smart for me. I have no idea who's trolling and who's being serious now.
snow, your IQ is 150That depends on which kind of test it is. A figure reasoning test doesn't require any knowledge at all, it measures how good you are at finding patterns. Of course you need to find a proper test to use.
Offline i scored 136 some years ago, if i recall correctly.
Of course this online test is rubbish, as it needs you to have knowledge of geography i.e., while your mental capacity is in no way linked to how much you know or dont about any given topic.
Logic/reasoning/patterns (dwarf fortress is one big logic puzzle)
Logic/reasoning/patterns (dwarf fortress is one big logic puzzle)
Yes bro, figuring out 2cat and purple spade = purple helmet was an impressive feat of my heuristic mind.
Logic/reasoning/patterns (dwarf fortress is one big logic puzzle)
Yes bro, figuring out 2cat and purple spade = purple helmet was an impressive feat of my heuristic mind.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
stuff
There you have 3(maybe 4) reasonable approaches to a simplified system of a vague and imprecise question that each has some plausible argument.
So which is the correct one?
???
Heck if I know I only have an internet IQ score of 134, but if I had to guess I would say that the question was based on human sense interpretation so steam is the hotter of the two.
ok if we are going to talk about questions that are flawed but are in tests:That is indeed a very interesting question to be in an IQ test. If there was a human analyzing the results and the subject was required to also say WHY he think whatever he answered is hotter, you could get some information about how the subject thinks, but internet IQ tests don't have those.
what is hotter, boiling water, or steam?
talk it over and i'll give you the answer in a day.
while you have grasped the purpose of asking the question (as it is effectively a trick question), you are perhaps the first to try to equate the test to an everyday encounter applicable to everyone regardless of intelligence. however your answer given for this angle is wrong, and in fact even stresses one reason why i do not consider school an institution of learning. pretty much everyone has boiled water in which to use at one point or another, and then reached into the steam in which to manipulate an object in the boiling water, or to place an object into it, etc. a very early lesson in life is that boiling water will burn you, while steam is just hot. in school we are taught, before higher levels of instruction, that steam is hotter than boiling water. many people accept this fact even though throughout their life they have first hand experience to the contrary.
and for the factors you gave in which will sway the answer one way or the other, isn't nearly as many as there is. just contemplating the variables in such a question puts you at above the average college graduate in my book.
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@Areyar:
i finally looked up the term: colloquial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloquial)
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