Post by: ZM5 on August 13, 2017, 12:18:47 pm
What projects are you guys currently working on? Post any mishaps with creatures, gruesome arena moments or previews for mods you're planning to upload!
Post by: Foxite on August 13, 2017, 02:25:22 pm
Right now I've started the first Fortress mode game with the race. Since the worldgen civs build cities like humans, I will do the same. I have no solid design yet, I'm just making the buildings as I go (which I'm pretty sure is how worldgen towns are created, given their often confusing layout).
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 13, 2017, 04:33:30 pm
Poor old hobbits, they only really exist to make an easy raid target in the next release when dorfs are craving for hungry-head meat and unicorn cheese.
Post by: Taffer on August 13, 2017, 08:54:36 pm
When I finally finish I have fun plans for Revised, but it all has to wait for the descriptions.
Thank you for the chance to vent!
Post by: Enemy post on August 13, 2017, 10:19:02 pm
After that, I'll probably need to update to the new version soon. I'm also thinking that ninjas would be a good addition to my movie creatures pack.
Post by: KittyTac on August 13, 2017, 10:25:49 pm
Post by: Enemy post on August 13, 2017, 10:27:18 pm
Post by: KittyTac on August 13, 2017, 10:29:10 pm
Did you complete any dinosaurs?
I think 3.
Post by: ZM5 on August 14, 2017, 01:33:12 am
I still need to deal with this bug (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164966.msg7517941#msg7517941). I'm probably just going to remove the castes beyond the "limit" from the Jedi and Sith version of the creatures so that I can go ahead and update. Aside from that, I've made major changes to how droids work and will probably release an update soon. I need to finish a couple more new droids, clean up my files, and make 43.03 and 64-bit versions.That's a pretty bizarre bug - I did hear that going past a certain amount of castes would cause odd issues, but I didn't think it'd take that many.
After that, I'll probably need to update to the new version soon. I'm also thinking that ninjas would be a good addition to my movie creatures pack.
Myself I've been working on a Cavern Revamp mod - there's essentially six different types of caverns so that allows for "themed" layers that you can dig into. Nearly got the thing done - I'm currently working on the "bosses" for the layers - rare giant creatures with various special abilities, equivalents to Cave Dragons in vanilla - afterwards I'd have to do the vermin.
Admittedly I'm having issues with the plants, since they don't seem to follow the cavern restrictions - i.e plants, grasses and trees from the third SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM layer show up in the third SUBTERRANEAN_WATER layer. Not sure if its possible to change that, if anything I'll just swap the various plant types around so atleast the layers have unified colours.
Post by: KittyTac on August 14, 2017, 07:52:32 am
Post by: Enemy post on August 14, 2017, 09:57:42 am
Post by: KittyTac on August 14, 2017, 10:12:01 pm
Not exactly, unless you count carefully replacing everything that spawns in the biome.
Well, I basically deleted every creature and started modding diep.io tanks. Might replace the grass with a thing called "grid" that is white and shows up as +.
Post by: PinkyThePinkBlob on August 14, 2017, 10:49:23 pm
I might rename creatures entirely besides slapping Dire or Monstrous in front of their name.
Post by: Enemy post on August 14, 2017, 10:52:37 pm
Hey ZM5, do you know where you heard about this bug before?
Post by: KittyTac on August 14, 2017, 11:42:03 pm
Post by: PinkyThePinkBlob on August 14, 2017, 11:59:54 pm
Post by: KittyTac on August 15, 2017, 12:31:13 am
Spike tank?
It's a rammer tank in diep.io. Spiketank done.
Post by: ZM5 on August 15, 2017, 01:20:23 am
Hey ZM5, do you know where you heard about this bug before?IIRC it was on the modding channel on the DF discord a few weeks back.
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 15, 2017, 02:27:15 am
Post by: Greiger on August 15, 2017, 02:47:52 am
Seems to work as intended in arena mode, haven't gotten around to testing it live though.
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 15, 2017, 02:50:59 am
Post by: blapnk on August 15, 2017, 09:35:02 am
Post by: KittyTac on August 15, 2017, 09:56:35 am
I'm curious how you're implementing the diep.io mod. How do you model transformations between tank types? An interaction is the obvious way to go, but how do you delay the ability to use the interaction until you have scored enough points -- and for that matter, how do you define points?
Never really thought of that. Maybe add a grasp to the tanks, then use the corpses of tanks to gain some items called points. Once you scored enough, you can do an interaction that transforms you into another tank.
Post by: Enemy post on August 15, 2017, 03:32:10 pm
Hey ZM5, do you know where you heard about this bug before?IIRC it was on the modding channel on the DF discord a few weeks back.
Thanks. I went ahead and updated without the last couple castes. Maybe they'll magically start working again later.
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 15, 2017, 05:01:20 pm
This is both rad and very, very weirdI'm curious how you're implementing the diep.io mod. How do you model transformations between tank types? An interaction is the obvious way to go, but how do you delay the ability to use the interaction until you have scored enough points -- and for that matter, how do you define points?
Never really thought of that. Maybe add a grasp to the tanks, then use the corpses of tanks to gain some items called points. Once you scored enough, you can do an interaction that transforms you into another tank.
Idea: small tanks have itemcorpses of something called 1 point, which cab be crafted with other points into higher denominations, to use in interactions to evolve into stronger tanks
Post by: peasant cretin on August 15, 2017, 08:53:40 pm
I'm also homogenizing equipment. The language of armor is French. Mail is from maille and that's from a Latin term IIRC for mesh. As there are metal chain leggings, I figure to go with metal chain coats, hoods and shirts. Trying to be culturally non-specific, tho things like halberds can't be changed as easily, unless I go with polearm. Nomenclature's always a winding road.
Post by: Klisz on August 16, 2017, 05:20:08 pm
Post by: Lordsservent-san on August 17, 2017, 04:22:58 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 17, 2017, 06:51:22 pm
My dark elves are happily producing grown-steel (like grown-wood but more evil and involves torturing trees) and making weapons and ammo out of it (many a bold adventurer died to check that this is working). Their death squads insist on wearing fine silk garments instead of practical leather stuff though. I'll put this down to a personality trait until I figure it out.
Post by: Klisz on August 17, 2017, 07:29:59 pm
(many a bold adventurer died to check that this is working).
Wouldn't it be simpler to make dark elves playable and play a dark elf adventurer to check that? (If you don't want them playable in the release version you could of course remove the playability token once you've confirmed things are working properly.)
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 17, 2017, 11:56:55 pm
Yes, I considered that of course. Will do so soon.(many a bold adventurer died to check that this is working).
Wouldn't it be simpler to make dark elves playable and play a dark elf adventurer to check that? (If you don't want them playable in the release version you could of course remove the playability token once you've confirmed things are working properly.)
But it's a lot of fun trying to change dark elf values and see how long people survive. And this modding stuff is primarily for my own amusement.
Also, weird stuff happens that you don't expect. Like just now, I was ambushed by one of their death squads who had two axe dwarves with them.
Due to a quirk, non-dark elves are currently armed with two shields. At the start of the ambush I got an 'axedwarf rearranges his equipment' message. Disagreeing with Toady's fine equipment assigning engine, the dwarves both dropped one of their shields and drew wooden lute-like instruments instead. Gave me a slight advantage (until taking a grown-steel bolt to the brain).
Wouldn't have noticed that if the death squad were on my side.
Post by: Enemy post on August 19, 2017, 11:34:16 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dP4bfbz.png)
Post by: ZM5 on August 19, 2017, 12:25:49 pm
I've been experimenting with giant creatures.Oh dear.
(http://i.imgur.com/dP4bfbz.png)
What's the exact size you put for the Godzilla? I'd love to have it arena fight some of my own megas.
I've added the last 5 creatures for the next update I'm planning to make and also genning a world to do some live testing along with other changes I made, though I'm still withholding on releasing it until the next big DF update.
Figured I'd also alter the site types of some of the races to cities instead since they're the most fleshed out and easiest to navigate site types - hope Toady adds some way of making custom site types sometime since admittedly I'm running into the issue of figuring out what to use for some of the Warcraft races, since none of the in-game sites fit them.
Post by: Enemy post on August 19, 2017, 12:49:50 pm
What's the exact size you put for the Godzilla? I'd love to have it arena fight some of my own megas.
I'd appreciate you testing it against your own work. It'll be good to see how someone else uses it. It should currently be at about 200,000,000 body size, using an exploit to bypass the usual limits on creature size. This makes it a bit larger than a giant sperm whale. *Edit, I think I figured out how to make it even bigger. **Nevermind, it didn't work out.
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[CREATURE:GODZILLA_EP]
[DESCRIPTION:<Godzilla> An enormous reptillian titan. It looms over buildings and breathes radioactive fire.]
[NAME:godzilla:godzillas:godzilla]
[CASTE_NAME:godzilla:godzillas:godzilla]
[CREATURE_TILE:'G'][COLOR:0:0:1]
[PETVALUE:10000]
[PET_EXOTIC]
[TRAINABLE]
[MOUNT_EXOTIC]CRAZED put brackets around this tag if you want an apocalypse.
[BIOME:ANY_LAND]
[FREQUENCY:5][NOPAIN]He can obviously be hurt in the films, but without it he could eventually be worn down and strangled by humans.
[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER]
[FANCIFUL]
[LARGE_PREDATOR]
[MEGABEAST][DIFFICULTY:30]
[ATTACK_TRIGGER:80:10000:100000]
[SPHERE:OCEANS]
[SPHERE:FIRE]
[SPHERE:STRENGTH]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[TL_VASCULAR:SCALE:0]
[TL_VASCULAR:FAT:0]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:100]
[BONECARN]
[TRAPAVOID]
[PREFSTRING:atomic breath]
[PREFSTRING:size]
[PREFSTRING:power]
[BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:TAIL:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:4FINGERS:4TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_LARGE_EYE_TEETH:RIBCAGE:GODZILLASPINES_EP]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:PARCHMENT]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:CLAW:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:CLAW:CLAW_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:CLAW:FRONT]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:LEATHERY_EGG_MATERIALS]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[AMPHIBIOUS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1]There is a hard limit on how big things can be without glitches. Using this method, I can boost size past the normal limit. Thanks to the people on the forums who figured this trick out.
[PHYS_ATT_RANGE:STRENGTH:1250:1500:1750:2000:2500:3000:5000] ++
[PHYS_ATT_RANGE:AGILITY:150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500] -
[PHYS_ATT_RANGE:TOUGHNESS:1250:1500:1750:2000:2500:3000:5000] +
[PHYS_ATT_RANGE:ENDURANCE:1250:1500:1750:2000:2500:3000:5000] ++
[ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:CLAW:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:STANCE:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CLAW]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:claw:claws]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:whip:whips]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]Unfortunately, the flames cannot be blue.
[CDI:ADV_NAME:Breathe fire]
[CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
[CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
[CDI:FLOW:DRAGONFIRE]
[CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
[CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:500]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[MENT_ATT_RANGE:WILLPOWER:3000:3500:3750:4000:4250:4500:5000]
[LAIR:SIMPLE_BURROW:100]
[NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:6]
[NATURAL_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE:6]
[NATURAL_SKILL:RANGED_COMBAT:6]
[NATURAL_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT:6]
[NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:6]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:1422:1900:2900]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:29901422:1900:2900]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
[SWIMS_INNATE]
[HOMEOTHERM:10040]
CASTE:FEMALE I don't want them to breed, because of the hackish way their size is accomplished.
POP_RATIO:1
FEMALE
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[POP_RATIO:10]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[CHANGE_BODY_SIZE_PERC:20000000000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GRAY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:scales:PLURAL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_TOKEN:US:TOOTH]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:WHITE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:spines:PLURAL]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
[MULTIPLY_VALUE:15]
[COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
[HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
[IGNITE_POINT:NONE]
[IF_EXISTS_SET_MELTING_POINT:55000]
[IF_EXISTS_SET_BOILING_POINT:57000]
[SPEC_HEAT:30000]
Need to make sure blood and pus aren't solid at regular temperatures.
[SELECT_MATERIAL:BLOOD]
[PLUS_MATERIAL:PUS]
[MELTING_POINT:10000]
[IMPACT_YIELD:100000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:100000]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:100000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:100000]
[SHEAR_YIELD:100000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:100000]
[TENSILE_YIELD:100000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:100000]
[TORSION_YIELD:100000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:100000]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:ALL]
[IMPACT_YIELD:100000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:100000]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:100000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:100000]
[SHEAR_YIELD:100000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:100000]
[TENSILE_YIELD:100000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:100000]
[TORSION_YIELD:100000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:100000]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:ALL]
[TL_HEALING_RATE:1]You'll also need this for his spines.
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[BODY:GODZILLASPINES_EP]
[BP:US:upper spikes:upper spikes][CON:NECK][CATEGORY:TOOTH][NUMBER:6][SKELETON][SMALL][EMBEDDED]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:3]
[BP:MS:central spikes:central spikes][CON:UB][CATEGORY:TOOTH][NUMBER:6][SKELETON][SMALL][EMBEDDED]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:10]
[BP:LS:lower spikes:lower spikes][CON:LB][CATEGORY:TOOTH][NUMBER:6][SKELETON][SMALL][EMBEDDED]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:3]
[BP:TS:tail spikes:tail spikes][CON:TAIL][CATEGORY:TOOTH][NUMBER:6][SKELETON][SMALL][EMBEDDED]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:3]
Post by: ZM5 on August 19, 2017, 02:09:14 pm
Took a Drakeadon the second time - Godzilla almost immediately knocked it out by crushing one of its heads, then toyed with it for a bit before smashing the other one.
Next up I took an Awakened One (https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/95/Daimon_Second_Form.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/528?cb=20151026022132) - and some peculiar events happened.
(http://i.imgur.com/I2fjMFX.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/iTpxpdv.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/akIjUy3.png)
Godzilla eventually won due to getting a gut-spilling claw attack in on the Awakened One who bled to death, but still. With 6000000 body size I didn't expect him to last that long, much less do any sort of damage.
I killed off the wounded Zilla with dfhack and spawned another one. Put it up against a Magnaron (https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow.gamepedia.com/9/9f/Magnaron_concept.jpg?version=e7ddb86761301d45716f14da7ae4feb9) - 36000000 size for reference.
(http://i.imgur.com/3TEnoF3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/T9OhLka.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/N2xhePY.png)
Turns out, size ain't everything.
I put it up against a normal Gronn the next time around. The Gronn died without causing any injuries.
Lastly I put it up against the Maiden of Virtue (https://wow.gamepedia.com/Maiden_of_Virtue) - 9000000 size.
(http://i.imgur.com/gqbS07Y.png)
Dead.
Post by: Enemy post on August 19, 2017, 02:19:38 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 19, 2017, 09:16:09 pm
That's great (from a modding point of view). Except wait, tribal monkey-people are baby-snatchers, not item thieves. I dug a bit further to find out what's going on.
It seems that these guys came from the nearby minotaur civ, The Impunity of Liberation (thankfully they're still in 'thieving' stage right now - steel-clad minotaurs slice through poorly defended fortresses like hot axes through unicorn butter).
The Impunity of Liberation is quite a cosmopolitan civ. Population around 23,000, there's an established community of tribal monkey-people which make up about 23% of the population. In fact for the past 260 years, the civ has been ruled by them. I guess they're just better at writing law or something.
Determined to find the roots of tribal monkey-people in the Impunity of Liberation, I searched back through their 530 years of history. However I reached a dead-end at Agine Lacylustful, 1st recorded tribal monkey-person civ member and tavern-keeper at the Oats of Fruit in Matchintense from the year 67-68. In 68 she joined the ill-fated expedition to found Wildnesshields and was killed by a roc along with everyone else in 79.
Nowadays Matchintense is 99% monkey-person, so it makes sense that this is where they started, but it wasn't always so. And Agine has a minotaur name, so presumably her parents (sadly unknown) were also part of the civ.
The Impunity of Liberation has never been to war with monkeypeople (despite a history of kidnappings) so the first monkey-people probably weren't part of a site takeover. Their only wars are the systematic annihilation of the Elves of the Romantic Oak as part of their warleader's plans to bring peace to the world (Elf, former member of the Romantic Oak, warleader of the Impunity of Liberation since the year 92, rides a cave dragon).
Post by: Enemy post on August 19, 2017, 10:48:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/j5msqAF.png)
Post by: KittyTac on August 19, 2017, 10:56:00 pm
Godzilla seems finished, so I moved on to my next goal.
(http://i.imgur.com/j5msqAF.png)
Raws? Sounds like my Edgy Sladeath Blender on crack.
Post by: Enemy post on August 20, 2017, 12:03:52 am
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f0ejpkj4cr07gi8/AAArj3LYrqM5SoWotv090xXua?dl=0
It's meant to just be a normal push mower (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/MTD_Lawn_Mower.jpg/1200px-MTD_Lawn_Mower.jpg) that is alive.
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 10:19:39 am
I was also thinking - what if modding contests were a thing on here? With certain themes, like "make a megabeast thats an emotion in physical form" or other stuff like that.
Post by: Enemy post on August 21, 2017, 10:37:33 am
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 11:26:53 am
That might be fun. What's your Halloween pack?Currently thinking it'd be a 4-parter.
First part would be monsters from the original Splatterhouse trilogy - I've already worked on some of the creatures including Biggyman and the Boreworms.
Second would be monsters from the original Doom 1, 2 and 3 as cavern monsters - former humans would be an underground animal person-esque civ (though I'd still have them use crossbows and bows so its not completely immersion breaking).
Third would be a classic movie monster pack - a great werewolf, Frankenstein's monster (I'd call it reanimated creature or something since again it'd be a bit weird to have references to a specific doctor), a mummy king/queen as megabeasts, elder vampires and nosferatu as night creatures, and gill-men/women as evil lake and swamp dwellers.
Then lastly I was thinking of a pack I'd call "Face your Fears", with night troll-esque creatures based off of phobias - though in this case the original something-phobia would be more animalistic or abstract in appearance, with their spouse being turned into something-phobics that'd be grotesque, insane humanoids with the features of whatever their fear is and who perceive everyone else outside of their spouse as what they fear.
I.e a ranidaphobia (fear of frogs) would be a gargantuan frog-toad hybrid beast with many legs, egg sacs on its back and toxic slime covering their skin as a form of defense - whereas the ranidaphobic would be a humanoid crawling on their arms, weighed down by the egg sacs and having an overly large and long tongue.
Of course the last one would take a while as I'd have to think of designs for the more abstract phobia monsters - i.e nyctophobia (fear of the dark).
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 21, 2017, 01:21:48 pm
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 02:07:08 pm
Perhaps they could have ability that makes their tile become completely black so they'd be tough to see (atleast in the ASCII tileset I guess).
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 21, 2017, 02:19:22 pm
I was thinking of something like that too - the nyctophobia resembling a completely black, slime monster-like silhouette without "depth" and tendrils of some kind that the nyctophobic would also have.I think you can set its tile color to black, if that's what you're looking for
Perhaps they could have ability that makes their tile become completely black so they'd be tough to see (atleast in the ASCII tileset I guess).
Post by: Enemy post on August 21, 2017, 02:22:08 pm
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 02:27:14 pm
Post by: Enemy post on August 21, 2017, 03:42:52 pm
[CREATURE_TILE:'i'][COLOR:0:0:0] doesn't work, it just comes out gray.
Removing the line entirely defaults to a normal dwarf tile.
However, removing the apostrophes breaks the line just right to get the void effect. Like this:
[CREATURE_TILE:i][COLOR:0:0:0]
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 04:22:53 pm
Post by: Enemy post on August 21, 2017, 04:35:25 pm
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2017, 05:00:10 pm
Post by: Asin on August 21, 2017, 06:51:36 pm
Culture Shock, my main mod, and my other mod, The Goblinoids (and Orcs) Mod.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 21, 2017, 11:50:56 pm
I'm working on two mods.Yes, but what's going on in your modding? No tales to share? No spontaneously exploding orc heads? No accidentally duplicated raws transforming elves into fluffy wamblers?
Culture Shock, my main mod, and my other mod, The Goblinoids (and Orcs) Mod.
Post by: Asin on August 21, 2017, 11:52:12 pm
I'll share again if I come across something particularly interesting...
Post by: Enemy post on August 22, 2017, 12:06:04 am
I'm working on two mods.Yes, but what's going on in your modding? No tales to share? No spontaneously exploding orc heads? No accidentally duplicated raws transforming elves into fluffy wamblers?
Culture Shock, my main mod, and my other mod, The Goblinoids (and Orcs) Mod.
If we're going for horror stories, I've got some.
I once made a mistake modding T.Rexes in and the resulting creature was a blob of multiple whole tyrannosaurs mashed together.
I tried to make Terminators and got a metal skeleton with eye and brain tissue stretched over its body.
I attempted making a world where anyone killed would come back to life. However, I neglected to heal them of the injuries that killed them, so anyone who died would perpetually crawl around dying over and over.
I once had a massive creature that took me hours and hours to make break because of a single misplaced letter.
Demon hair
Post by: Asin on August 22, 2017, 12:09:44 am
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 22, 2017, 02:03:48 am
Demon hair?Demon hare.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 22, 2017, 02:52:36 am
They can make leather and wooden armour and they can torture the spirits of trees and twist them into a substance kind of like metal (they call it grown-steel) which they make melee weapons, carving knives, bolts and arrows out of (because hitting people with sick tree spirits is funny, but wearing them is just asking to get your balls crushed vengefully).
It's the only metal they (usually) have access to. It's not real steel, so a platoon of steel-clad dorfs should be able to charge a dark elven crossbow team fairly intact. Maybe.
Unfortunately if I don't let them make their bows out of grown-steel they end up with regular steel, bronze, copper bows (stolen from somewhere? Bought from immoral hobbit merchants?).
Oh well, I'll figure it out eventually. In other news their bandit camps are suitably violent. Wandered into a tavern not realising the entire town was run by a bandit gang.
'Hi there! I have nothing for you.' (Doh)
Tavern keeper draws a grown-steel boning knife
Woodcarver draws a grown-steel carving knife
Bard draws a grown-steel meatcleaver
Tavern keeper 'Don't walk around at night or the bogeyman will get you!'.
Post by: ZM5 on August 22, 2017, 07:12:45 am
World-ending demon hair.Demon hair?Demon hare.
IIRC before I released my own mod I was working on the Burning Legion race and had worldgen crash issues that I couldn't quite figure out - so I reached out to Enemy post for help.
He found out it was some issue related to their hair tissues that was causing crashes in worldgen.
So yea. Demon hair was too awesome for most worlds to handle and caused implosions.
I once made a mistake modding T.Rexes in and the resulting creature was a blob of multiple whole tyrannosaurs mashed together.That first one reminds me of a succession fort - I forgot which one, but IIRC by mistake they spliced the raws of a peregrine falcon and some other bird, leading to fractal bodies.
I tried to make Terminators and got a metal skeleton with eye and brain tissue stretched over its body.
I attempted making a world where anyone killed would come back to life. However, I neglected to heal them of the injuries that killed them, so anyone who died would perpetually crawl around dying over and over.
I love the terminator bit - it sounds incredibly gruesome. Wish I could draw it.
I had that issue too with my resurrection spell since I didn't add a milisecond transformation to remove the wounds - when I first tested it out, I went to a tomb and resurrected one of the dead bodies there. The guy rose up...missing all flesh, skin and, well, everything else except bones, and promptly bled to death a single tic later.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 22, 2017, 12:01:36 pm
Got some divine intervention going on now, just praying to the gods for artifacts. Theres no way to grant an actual artifact without dfhack, which i dont know how to use, but still, you can get some neat stuff from the gods. Next up is getting them to kill you.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 22, 2017, 07:26:47 pm
So Dark Elves now have a choice of giving up their crossbows altogether or forever having to rely on twisted wood spirits to send their bolts and arrows true.
Tough decision. Think I'll go work on hobbits and their vile ways instead for a while.
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 22, 2017, 09:44:25 pm
Ok. Figured out that worldgen can't produce wooden crossbows or bolts apparently. It's metal or nothing. Just give natural crossbow skills to elves and wander around you'll find a whole load of elf hunters with nothing but an empty quiver.How did you test the wooden crossbow bolt thing? Is it included in the entity correctly? Not trying to accuse you or anything, I've just never heard of this but if it's true then it's good to know. Have you tried bolts out of a custom material? Do those get omitted during world gen too?
So Dark Elves now have a choice of giving up their crossbows altogether or forever having to rely on twisted wood spirits to send their bolts and arrows true.
Tough decision. Think I'll go work on hobbits and their vile ways instead for a while.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 22, 2017, 09:54:21 pm
I'll test it a bit more. There's a couple of things I may have missed. Custom material bolts work just fine, that's what the dark elves are using. I just didn't want them building their crossbows out of it.Ok. Figured out that worldgen can't produce wooden crossbows or bolts apparently. It's metal or nothing. Just give natural crossbow skills to elves and wander around you'll find a whole load of elf hunters with nothing but an empty quiver.How did you test the wooden crossbow bolt thing? Is it included in the entity correctly? Not trying to accuse you or anything, I've just never heard of this but if it's true then it's good to know. Have you tried bolts out of a custom material? Do those get omitted during world gen too?
So Dark Elves now have a choice of giving up their crossbows altogether or forever having to rely on twisted wood spirits to send their bolts and arrows true.
Tough decision. Think I'll go work on hobbits and their vile ways instead for a while.
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 22, 2017, 09:55:54 pm
for !!SCIENCE!!I'll test it a bit more. There's a couple of things I may have missed. Custom material bolts work just fine, that's what the dark elves are using. I just didn't want them building their crossbows out of it.Ok. Figured out that worldgen can't produce wooden crossbows or bolts apparently. It's metal or nothing. Just give natural crossbow skills to elves and wander around you'll find a whole load of elf hunters with nothing but an empty quiver.How did you test the wooden crossbow bolt thing? Is it included in the entity correctly? Not trying to accuse you or anything, I've just never heard of this but if it's true then it's good to know. Have you tried bolts out of a custom material? Do those get omitted during world gen too?
So Dark Elves now have a choice of giving up their crossbows altogether or forever having to rely on twisted wood spirits to send their bolts and arrows true.
Tough decision. Think I'll go work on hobbits and their vile ways instead for a while.
Thanks for testing :)
Post by: UristMcArmok on August 22, 2017, 09:56:43 pm
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 22, 2017, 09:59:36 pm
You can simply make a new material for them to use that is technically a metal but has the properties of woodBut imagine Urist McSmelter smelting wood bolts and getting wood bars out of it.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 22, 2017, 10:49:55 pm
You can simply make a new material for them to use that is technically a metal but has the properties of woodYeah but if I do that don't I lose the variety of woods that other wooden stuff gets? Also that probably won't help normal elves make wooden crossbows, will it?
Damn computer just stopped working, might be a while before I get to look at this in more detail.
Post by: Enemy post on August 23, 2017, 12:54:15 pm
Here it is. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163773.0)
I really need to make that page look less boring someday.
Post by: Toxicshadow on August 23, 2017, 02:51:15 pm
I released the update to my creature pack I was working on. You can now add Godzilla, lawnmowers, and ninjas to the game. Birdemic's creature has also been improved.Did someone say, birdemic?
Here it is. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163773.0)
I really need to make that page look less boring someday.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wh9CpqLo-bM/movieposter.jpg)
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 23, 2017, 03:05:23 pm
Post by: Enemy post on August 23, 2017, 03:07:33 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 23, 2017, 04:02:06 pm
Godzilla?No, a golem I'm modding in.
Post by: Lordsservent-san on August 23, 2017, 08:16:50 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on August 23, 2017, 09:37:23 pm
Well, I'm experimenting with turning tissues intoned metals. It's certainly interesting how this changes the way attacks work(fun fact:with metal muscles you can punch limbs off).That's pretty metal, if you ask me.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 23, 2017, 09:42:45 pm
Dark Elves make libraries apparently. Great wide areas covered in vines full of desks and chairs. How nice.
The lack of books seems to be frustrating them though as the one I visited was totally drenched in blood.
I guess with nothing to read, scholars just argue all day. And since the whole civ are armed with grown-steel boning knives and meatcleavers, things escalate pretty quickly.
The historian stabs the mathematician in the lower body with the grown-steel carving knife.
The mathematician has become enraged.
Goblin scholar "There's fighting. How alarming."
The engineer punches the goblin in the left eye and the part explodes into gore.
Engineer "Welcome to the library. Please respect the materials".
Battle Royale Dark Elf style. Great to walk around the chaos while everyone's ignoring you.
Next I let them make books. Not sure if it was the reading material or the fact that it was packed with visiting minotaur scholars but it was a whole lot quieter. Old version seems more fun.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on August 24, 2017, 04:44:02 am
Ok. Elves happily making wooden crossbows and bolts now. My mistake.I'll test it a bit more. There's a couple of things I may have missed. Custom material bolts work just fine, that's what the dark elves are using. I just didn't want them building their crossbows out of it.Ok. Figured out that worldgen can't produce wooden crossbows or bolts apparently. It's metal or nothing. Just give natural crossbow skills to elves and wander around you'll find a whole load of elf hunters with nothing but an empty quiver.How did you test the wooden crossbow bolt thing? Is it included in the entity correctly? Not trying to accuse you or anything, I've just never heard of this but if it's true then it's good to know. Have you tried bolts out of a custom material? Do those get omitted during world gen too?
So Dark Elves now have a choice of giving up their crossbows altogether or forever having to rely on twisted wood spirits to send their bolts and arrows true.
Tough decision. Think I'll go work on hobbits and their vile ways instead for a while.
Dark Elves sticking with grown-steel bows and crossbows for now. Maybe I'll make a custom wood material later. WOOD_WEAPONS is no good as it completely replaces everyone's metal stuff (swords, knives, bolts, arrows...) with wood which is a step too far for me.
WOOD_ARMOR on the other hand works nicely for what I want. Dark Elves seem to prefer leather and silk mainly and will occasionally supplement with a bit of wood. They'll also make wood shields so I gave them a new shield type 'xx wood-type tormented-spirit shield'.
I imagine you can make out the frozen scream of the wood spirit in each one. Tortured and twisted into a wood/metal hybrid and forced to endure the enemies' blows. And of course puts real elves right off any frontal attacks.
Post by: KittyTac on August 28, 2017, 08:45:34 am
Post by: StagnantSoul on August 28, 2017, 08:53:32 am
Post by: KittyTac on August 28, 2017, 09:07:01 am
Post by: Asin on August 28, 2017, 09:07:53 am
Also, I'm adding civs of sentient tanks. If that doesn't work out, I'm just going with wild tank animals.
Oh. Oh my.
Post by: KittyTac on August 28, 2017, 09:30:01 am
Also, I'm adding civs of sentient tanks. If that doesn't work out, I'm just going with wild tank animals.
Oh. Oh my.
I might add, y'now, sentient actual tanks to my main DF folder, but they should breed very slowly or it will be like the draconians all over again.
EDIT: This will probably go into the quote archive.
EDIT2: Auto 5 done.
Post by: ZM5 on August 28, 2017, 02:46:30 pm
Also, I'm adding civs of sentient tanks. If that doesn't work out, I'm just going with wild tank animals.Amazing, I should put a quotes section in the OP at some point.
Post by: Enemy post on September 01, 2017, 07:10:16 pm
I've mostly been waiting for the new version lately. There will be much updating to do then.
Post by: KittyTac on September 01, 2017, 09:33:59 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 01, 2017, 10:16:38 pm
Tribes and their various castes are now generating properly, the worlds are comfortably dominated by the three-way struggle between minotaurs, humans and goblins. Elves and dark elves fight over forests, small kingdoms of dwarves and their wild dwarf cousins rule the hills and mountains. Kobolds and Troglodyte caves spread between the bigger civs and out of the oceans slimy, hairy-footed 'hobbits' emerge to make their homes and produce the greatest cheese known to the civilized world.
In the meantime new evil forms of ordinary animals stalk the evil biomes, amongst them dark hippos, evil marmots and vicious bluejays. Beware their poison beaks! Now you will know why you fear the night.
Post by: Asin on September 02, 2017, 09:41:12 am
What are they like?
Post by: UnicodingUnicorn on September 02, 2017, 10:25:49 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 02, 2017, 04:07:02 pm
Wild dwarves, eh?For now they're much like regular dwarves but slightly more aggressive. Some combination of their new values is allowing them to actually attack other sites unlike regular dwarves, which is nice. They're kind of insecure, suffer stress easily and limit their hillock building to deserts and swamps. They have a reputation as thieves and casual attitude towards murder.
What are they like?
Short sturdy creatures fond of drink and torture. Urist likes wild dwarves for their freewheeling lifestyles.
Haven't tested them much in fortress mode, but with their stress issues (especially if that's fixed sometime during the next release) and lack of natural allies (a couple of the tribes, who don't trade and minotaurs who also don't trade and are aggressive enough to end up at war with wild dwarves a lot of the time anyhow) they're probably more challenging than regular dwarves.
They'll change after testing in both modes probably, but for now they work out well in worldgen. Numerous small kingdoms which usually don't manage to spread too far.
Post by: ZM5 on September 02, 2017, 04:29:41 pm
Kinda wish you could have noble positions be also associated with certain knowledge secrets - I'd love for their sorcerer-thanes to always have innate magic knowledge of some kind, preferably pyromancy as they worship fire elementals.
I enabled them for play in fort mode though haven't tried much with them yet - that said they probably should get more tantrums due to being more violent, although the alcohol may negate that. Only got one civ of them in this world too admittedly - they haven't spread out too far from their initial starting mountain.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 02, 2017, 04:38:39 pm
Sorta how I'v been trying to convey Warcraft's Dark Dwarves - though in this case they're baby snatchers instead of thieves, and rather than being insecure they're more violent and prone to anger.I see my wild dwarves as less evil than just...misguided? Small splinter groups who disagreed with the monolithic ways of regular dwarven society and wanted to live more freely. Dwarven hippy commune gone wrong...
Kinda wish you could have noble positions be also associated with certain knowledge secrets - I'd love for their sorcerer-thanes to always have innate magic knowledge of some kind, preferably pyromancy as they worship fire elementals.
I enabled them for play in fort mode though haven't tried much with them yet - that said they probably should get more tantrums due to being more violent, although the alcohol may negate that. Only got one civ of them in this world too admittedly - they haven't spread out too far from their initial starting mountain.
Evil is saved for dark elves. And even then, it's 'evil from an elf's point of view' since that's the society they're reacting against, so mostly they're interested in twisting trees to their own needs and delighting in torturing nature spirits.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 02, 2017, 07:47:26 pm
Oh, and a stray giant sperm whale in a cage.
Post by: KittyTac on September 02, 2017, 08:46:37 pm
Aha. The Hobbit caravan has arrived. The plucky little fellas have brought unicorn cheese. Yum!
Oh, and a stray giant sperm whale in a cage.
Yay, meat for years!
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 02, 2017, 11:23:35 pm
Get a breeding pair of them and you'll have meat for millenia.Aha. The Hobbit caravan has arrived. The plucky little fellas have brought unicorn cheese. Yum!
Oh, and a stray giant sperm whale in a cage.
Yay, meat for years!
If you can zombify them you'll have the absolute ULTIMATE defense.
"The giant sperm whale corpse pushes the bronze colossus in the head and the injured part explodes into gore!"
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 03, 2017, 12:12:24 am
Would be nice, but I'd need to convert the first cavern layer into a swimming pool to house them first. Might take a while. Hobbits should be back next year though.Get a breeding pair of them and you'll have meat for millenia.Aha. The Hobbit caravan has arrived. The plucky little fellas have brought unicorn cheese. Yum!
Oh, and a stray giant sperm whale in a cage.
Yay, meat for years!
If you can zombify them you'll have the absolute ULTIMATE defense.
"The giant sperm whale corpse pushes the bronze colossus in the head and the injured part explodes into gore!"
In the meantime, whale steak with merperson intestines is on the menu for the foreseeable future. Topped with melted unicorn cheese. Yummy (must add a euphoric syndrome to unicorn cheese sometime).
Post by: ZM5 on September 03, 2017, 06:33:32 am
Tbh the Dark Dwarves aren't exactly evil per-se. They're really ruthless and don't get along with the normal dwarves - that said the fire elementals who reign over them also serve the old gods for the most part.Sorta how I'v been trying to convey Warcraft's Dark Dwarves - though in this case they're baby snatchers instead of thieves, and rather than being insecure they're more violent and prone to anger.I see my wild dwarves as less evil than just...misguided? Small splinter groups who disagreed with the monolithic ways of regular dwarven society and wanted to live more freely. Dwarven hippy commune gone wrong...
Kinda wish you could have noble positions be also associated with certain knowledge secrets - I'd love for their sorcerer-thanes to always have innate magic knowledge of some kind, preferably pyromancy as they worship fire elementals.
I enabled them for play in fort mode though haven't tried much with them yet - that said they probably should get more tantrums due to being more violent, although the alcohol may negate that. Only got one civ of them in this world too admittedly - they haven't spread out too far from their initial starting mountain.
Evil is saved for dark elves. And even then, it's 'evil from an elf's point of view' since that's the society they're reacting against, so mostly they're interested in twisting trees to their own needs and delighting in torturing nature spirits.
Post by: KittyTac on September 03, 2017, 06:50:46 am
Post by: KittyTac on September 03, 2017, 08:14:21 am
EDIT: The tanks lay eggs. So do the tanks from the diep.io mod, which is developing at a snail's pace. I wonder, gow do I implement drones, since spawning creatures is impossible? I'm thinking vermin with edgy slade stingers that cause rupturing of the chassis.
Post by: D_E on September 04, 2017, 01:55:08 pm
...Goron stone-cooking reactions need WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY...
...Why can't I make stone barrels?...
Also, I got bizarrely few children as immigrants, but they are born in-fort fine and one did come, so....
Post by: Toxicshadow on September 04, 2017, 02:02:00 pm
...Why is "goddess" not a word?...I always get overrun with children in my forts, to the point where I have to set the cap to like 5 children or 2% max. , Consider yourself lucky :P
...Goron stone-cooking reactions need WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY...
...Why can't I make stone barrels?...
Also, I got bizarrely few children as immigrants, but they are born in-fort fine and one did come, so....
Also pots function as stone barrels for the most part
Post by: Eric Blank on September 05, 2017, 06:34:49 pm
Still cant get this critter to behave the way i want in terms of what can or cant hurt it either
Post by: Enemy post on September 05, 2017, 06:42:44 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 06, 2017, 12:15:06 am
Everything seems to be working Ok. No unexpected crashes. Plenty of kobold and tribal wolfman thieves and even the occassional goblin baby-snatcher.
The statue details menu opens with a few pages of nameless humans which is a bit worrying. Each nameless being has named parents. Not sure what might cause this. Didn't see any in Legends Mode.
Only other odd thing in-game is how the hobbit caravans keep bringing free stuff every winter. Not that I'm complaining. Who can possibly understand the minds of the wretched beasts, after all.
Stuff to do for next time, euphoric syndrome attached to unicorn cheese, see what happens if you make hobbit merchants guzzlers, add some more evil to dark elves and see if it's possible to have their grown-steel tools and weapons cause them to slowly age and die (I'm thinking probably not without dfhackery, at least until mythgen corruption comes along).
Post by: ZM5 on September 06, 2017, 07:54:04 am
Doing these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_men) currently - think they'd make for a good tougher version of a skulking kobold-like race.
I'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to - currently I have them renamed to "oni", gave them a single horn and either red or blue skin, but I'd rather make those a separate creature (could also be a hostile skulking race that occasionally has members migrate to other civs).
Post by: Enemy post on September 06, 2017, 01:18:36 pm
I'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
Post by: blapnk on September 07, 2017, 01:12:17 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 07, 2017, 08:31:39 pm
sherkI'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
Post by: Asin on September 07, 2017, 11:31:36 pm
Post by: ZM5 on September 08, 2017, 01:55:38 am
Yeah I'm gonna pass on adding swamp ogres.sherkI'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 08, 2017, 06:54:29 am
No they'd live in the cave LAYERSYeah I'm gonna pass on adding swamp ogres.sherkI'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
Post by: KittyTac on September 08, 2017, 07:20:48 am
No they'd live in the cave LAYERSYeah I'm gonna pass on adding swamp ogres.sherkI'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
You deserve a gold medal.
(https://i.imgur.com/oiaDnSC.png)
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 08, 2017, 07:26:54 am
And thusly the medal is claimed by its rightful owner.No they'd live in the cave LAYERSYeah I'm gonna pass on adding swamp ogres.sherkI'm also wondering what I should rename the vanilla DF ogres to
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Shrek_%28character%29.png)
You deserve a gold medal.
(https://i.imgur.com/oiaDnSC.png)
Post by: ZM5 on September 08, 2017, 07:48:06 am
Post by: IT 000 on September 08, 2017, 09:57:11 am
Biggest hurdle I'm facing is creating materials for weapons in a low resource environment. I've added plastic bullet cases. I've added more wood weapons but due to the mechanics of wood they barely break skin. I have a rock hammer but even with buffed weapon stats they aren't the best ::) I've added Baddylite (to make ceramic) which works quite well but requires an extremely specific environment so not reliable. Basically the natural stats of wood and stone make them an unreliable weapon, I might try making 'combat wood/stone/whatever' material that has significantly better stats.
Armor has been a little easier. I've added tire armor that you can scavenge from most environments. Making skin yield 3 leather a piece has made the endeavor easier as well. Beyond that however I'm going to add clay armor like Samurais had as well as plastic armor.
Otherwise I'm trying to branch out Corrosion into a general apocalypse mod. I've been adding some stuff inspired by Fallout such as Super Mutants and associated weaponry as well as turning the Good environments into radiation zones. It's a grind because it doesn't use any creativity, but I feel it will be nice to have in the end.
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 08, 2017, 10:16:19 am
Well this is freaky, as I was looking at the latest replies to this thread I got a minor ogre siege in my current fort.Sherk ogercomes all obstacles to bring love to you
Post by: peasant cretin on September 08, 2017, 12:09:49 pm
Have been messing around with fermented milk products. I vaguely remember someone here was modding in animal alcohol. For the P&F mod, it's just making fermented yak/horse milk show up in tavern barrels. Likely need to change the color scheme in the material template file. IIRC it's set to brown, when I guess it should veer towards white.
Post by: ZM5 on September 08, 2017, 12:49:32 pm
(Pertaining to my mod Corrosion)Wouldn't evil biomes be better suited for radiation zones?
Biggest hurdle I'm facing is creating materials for weapons in a low resource environment. I've added plastic bullet cases. I've added more wood weapons but due to the mechanics of wood they barely break skin. I have a rock hammer but even with buffed weapon stats they aren't the best ::) I've added Baddylite (to make ceramic) which works quite well but requires an extremely specific environment so not reliable. Basically the natural stats of wood and stone make them an unreliable weapon, I might try making 'combat wood/stone/whatever' material that has significantly better stats.
Armor has been a little easier. I've added tire armor that you can scavenge from most environments. Making skin yield 3 leather a piece has made the endeavor easier as well. Beyond that however I'm going to add clay armor like Samurais had as well as plastic armor.
Otherwise I'm trying to branch out Corrosion into a general apocalypse mod. I've been adding some stuff inspired by Fallout such as Super Mutants and associated weaponry as well as turning the Good environments into radiation zones. It's a grind because it doesn't use any creativity, but I feel it will be nice to have in the end.
Ngl I was thinking myself of doing a Fallout total conversion mod - my gf's obsessed with the west coast Fallout games and would love that. Got plenty of other projects I gotta work on first, though.
Post by: Waterline on September 08, 2017, 05:01:53 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 08, 2017, 11:50:28 pm
Post by: Baffler on September 09, 2017, 02:35:32 pm
Post by: ZM5 on September 09, 2017, 03:14:18 pm
Post by: KittyTac on September 09, 2017, 09:20:55 pm
Been working on first-round playtesting for an east asian conversion mod I've been working on and off on. The only civ that's playable right now is China, and my inexperience with modding is really showing through. Basic things like the civ-specific weapons and apparel work correctly, but there's a lot of weirdness too. Merchants arrive with some of their barrels made from brocade, the syndrome attached to tea is much too strong, the gunsmithing reactions are completely broken, and the few large predators I've added so far are more aggressive and dangerous than I would like on top of having messed up body plans. It'll get there eventually.
Use dwarf-portrait to see if bodyplans look good?
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 09, 2017, 10:05:08 pm
Screaming heads, wriggling tongues and elongated fingers are growing in my topside tomb, so the new cave grass types.They seem more fitted to be evil biome grass types (wormy tendril, staring eyeball.)
Post by: KittyTac on September 09, 2017, 10:52:51 pm
EDIT:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT2: Night trolls seem to have an unhealthy love for edgy slade. Edgy slade daggers, edgy slade cauldrons, edgy slade mortars... For those who don't know, it has an absurd sharpness. Guess I buffed night trolls.
Post by: ZM5 on September 10, 2017, 05:01:59 am
They're only in the third layer, fits along with the other creatures I put there. Gave each cave layer a different "theme".Screaming heads, wriggling tongues and elongated fingers are growing in my topside tomb, so the new cave grass types.They seem more fitted to be evil biome grass types (wormy tendril, staring eyeball.)
EDIT:(https://i.imgur.com/5dJtseW.png)
A dwarf just made this, so the "fruit"-bearing plants are working fine as well. Should be ready for a release soon.
Post by: Lordsservent-san on September 11, 2017, 04:41:03 pm
Post by: blapnk on September 11, 2017, 08:11:17 pm
Post by: Enemy post on September 11, 2017, 08:49:18 pm
Post by: KittyTac on September 11, 2017, 10:41:27 pm
Code: [Select]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[LITTERSIZE:40]
My felids have been buffed!
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 11, 2017, 10:43:15 pm
Calm down there, Oppenheimer.Code: [Select][CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[LITTERSIZE:40]
My felids have been buffed!
Post by: KittyTac on September 11, 2017, 10:47:22 pm
Post by: ZM5 on September 12, 2017, 01:37:54 am
Got this thing (http://splatterhouse.kontek.net/gif/slug1.gif) done - yes, its more or less a boneless baby slug. Not a light-hearted series.
I'm admittedly skipping over some of the enemies - spectral enemies, possessed stuff (chairs ,etc.), and ones with odd names for otherwise mundane things that are already simulated by DF (i.e the Uddei, which are severed hands - they also flip off the player character in the first game - as tempting as the prospect is it wouldn't make much sense in DF - also I'd like to avoid flip-off spam when a player would encounter a group of them). Still leaves a plethora of other horrors, though.
I also got another idea for a more light-hearted part of the horror pack - gonna do three hostile invader "civs" - skeletons with several variants, all of which make bad puns (don't know what the variants would be yet though besides regular-sized ones and giant skeletons); inbred yet mechanically adept cannibals that lack metal armor and utilize tools or primitive weapons - machetes, large cleavers, serrated or overly long knives, claw hammers, woodchopper axes - also chainsaws, which maaay be a tad immersion breaking but I guess you can wave it away as being steampunky chainsaws; and lastly cursed pirates, also with several different variants that have different features - i.e skeletal pirates, ones with features of sea animals, female-only "pirate hags" with magical abilities, etc. etc.
Post by: KittyTac on September 12, 2017, 01:54:52 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 12, 2017, 01:12:24 pm
Post by: Enemy post on September 12, 2017, 01:20:14 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 12, 2017, 01:21:15 pm
Post by: Enemy post on September 12, 2017, 01:26:56 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on September 14, 2017, 06:57:49 pm
Edit: Bah! Found AceSV's thread. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163222.0) Not interested as of now in making a plant for this.
Post by: ZM5 on September 15, 2017, 09:41:33 am
Post by: MoonstoneFace on September 15, 2017, 12:48:35 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 15, 2017, 05:32:45 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 18, 2017, 06:17:32 pm
Urist feels euphoric due to cheese fever!
He's more friendly, lustful, confident. How lovely, just a little nausea to overcome if one over-indulges and no suffocation drawback.
A few ticks later...
Urist feels despair due to cheese fever! Urist feels panic due to cheese fever! He's now more prone to depression and anxiety. Perhaps more cheese will help...?
Slightly more dangerous due to the bug that never resets your altered personality facets after booze (or magic cheese). Unfortunately only the last set stick. Oh well.
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 19, 2017, 01:58:26 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 19, 2017, 03:01:10 am
Is "unicorn cheese" a street name for heroin-infused muffins?Never trust a caravan of midget amphibians with hairy feet and wild moustaches. They're harmless now, but just wait until the economy and general-purpose addiction is introduced...
On another note, does anyone know a way of ensuring hobbits don't get bad thoughts from having no shoes?
Post by: IndigoFenix on September 19, 2017, 03:24:53 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 19, 2017, 03:50:12 am
You can remove the STANCE token, athough this means that breaking their legs or feet will not inhibit their ability to stand.Nasty little things can probably manage just as well running around on stumps. They just ain't natural.
Post by: Enemy post on September 19, 2017, 09:25:37 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 19, 2017, 03:49:01 pm
Although its not a Universal monster I'm thinking of adding Nosferatu too as a different version.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 19, 2017, 04:06:30 pm
I've got a few shoeless ewok migrants in my current fort, they don't seem to mind.Hmm. Interesting. I only saw the bad thought once as they're not normally a fortress playable civ. Maybe it was just one Hobbit's weird preference for shoes that triggered it? Or something accidentally copied over from the human raws I started with.
Post by: Aranador on September 19, 2017, 10:24:10 pm
Post by: KittyTac on September 19, 2017, 11:36:44 pm
Finally, I have introduced proper rainbow lasers that fire in colour sequence.
Hmmmmm? Tell me the way it works. The Rainbow Dragon will be improved aesthetically then.
Post by: peasant cretin on September 20, 2017, 12:15:50 am
In order to give fletchings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletching) accurate detail (a shift from the current use of any plant growth), I made feathers BUTCHER_SPECIAL:GLOB:NONE and added a doppelganger template for smaller feathers. Any procedural out of the .exe will likely pull from the glob-version MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FEATHER_TEMPLATE. Both were given REACTION_CLASS:FLETCHINGS, so the fletching reaction can use either as reagent.
All birds have had NOT_BUTCHERABLE and SMALL_REMAINS tags removed, but they also need to be increased in body size for this to work—for example ducks have neither tag, but have low body size and don't show up as being butcherable.
Outside of rocs, titans, FBs which all pull from the GLOB version (meaning each single item stack can be used 150 times), other feathered creatures will pull from FEATHER_SMALL_TEMPLATE.
This means birds are worth 10 fletchings = 10 arrows/bolts per. There will finally be a reason to hunt fliers. This manages missile creation so it's not quite as seemingly infinite as before.
The hope is to make missile foraging a bit more interesting than before.
EDIT: Will have to revisit the bird listing again. I vaguely remember some previous adventurer capturing a bird and keeping it as a pet. I suppose any bird that was originally vermin-like will retain the NOT_BUTCHERABLE and SMALL_REMAINS tags.
Post by: Aranador on September 20, 2017, 01:54:49 am
Finally, I have introduced proper rainbow lasers that fire in colour sequence.
Hmmmmm? Tell me the way it works. The Rainbow Dragon will be improved aesthetically then.
The creature has a can do interaction which uses a 'charge up' interaction that progressively adds syndromes one tick after the other, and each syndrome adds a temporary can do interaction that is one shot of a material emission that uses the appropriate colour projectile.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The timings are somewhat important, but could easily be reduced to allow more rapid fire. If your dragon moves towards his target mid blast, you will 'loose' a colour as it will be hidden under another colour. My interaction uses 6 colours because rainbows in MLP have 6 colours. I know you can set up your own colour materials so I didn't provide those raws.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 20, 2017, 02:07:27 am
Haven't managed to actually locate a Ranger Captain yet, but upon being directed to a nearby patrol I discovered an army of giant animals the likes of which are only usually found in worldgen. Dark Elves had them too.
Haven't run into these before so I guess it's something to do with the Ranger Captain and his patrol tags (wherever he may be). Very neat anyhow.
Post by: peasant cretin on September 20, 2017, 07:42:18 pm
The butchering yield from that size is exceedingly low, meaning smaller, butcherable birds like ducks, for example, will never yield feathers without some sort of fairly heavy handed workaround.
The loss is fletchings likely remain as they are (made of plant growth), but the gain is the average duck/drake will now yield 2 meat, 2 fat, and 1 skin. Much silliness, but duck leather boots are now a viable option.
Post by: ZM5 on September 21, 2017, 08:14:34 am
Gonna be even more interesting in conjunction with my cave revamp mod, since the Arch-viles will be able to revive the demonic beings from that pack as well.
Only got the cursed Pirate and Skeleton invaders left to do afterwards - I want them both to be multi-caste and also have unique weapons. Not sure as to what weapons or castes I can give to the skellies though - a giant skeleton is pretty obvious for a caste, and so are wheels for weapons, I'm not sure what else though. Maybe a pumpkinheaded skeleton that breathes fire?
Post by: Enemy post on September 21, 2017, 10:01:04 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 21, 2017, 11:06:01 am
I'm considering making them and the other demons NOT_LIVING and OPPOSED_TO_LIFE. Would have the advantage of them not attacking each other...but then that'd also be an issue since monster infighting was a great part of Doom.
I have no idea how I'll do the Cybie rockets either. Currently they're just a solid inorganic material with high density that has a large chance of knocking you back, since being explosive isn't a thing yet.
Also if you're gonna do Half-Life creatures, make sure to do the concept art/unused ones as well - the games sure had some great stuff that didn't make the final cut.
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 21, 2017, 11:10:34 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 21, 2017, 11:16:05 am
EDIT: I put a brain on a weapons platform.
(https://i.imgur.com/5aDsIYr.png)
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 21, 2017, 03:39:24 pm
Post by: Enemy post on September 21, 2017, 03:59:00 pm
Post by: ZM5 on September 21, 2017, 04:27:25 pm
I'm kind of at a loss at what I should do for the skeleton invaders. I want them to have multiple castes but I'm not sure what exactly. My current ideas are
-regular-sized human skeletons
-giant skeletons
-metallic skeletons
-pumpkinheads (skeletons entwined with vines and other plant matter - their heads are lit, carved pumpkins that would cause them to emit light - they'd also shoot fireballs, but also would be more rare than the other skeletons)
I'm not sure what else though. It's surprisingly a lot more difficult to think up of ideas for them than I thought it'd be, considering its just supposed to be a silly halloween thing.
Post by: IT 000 on September 21, 2017, 07:04:33 pm
Wouldn't evil biomes be better suited for radiation zones?
Ngl I was thinking myself of doing a Fallout total conversion mod - my gf's obsessed with the west coast Fallout games and would love that. Got plenty of other projects I gotta work on first, though.
Eh before the whole undead thing they were. In my opinion evil biomes already have plenty of stuff going for them nowdays. Good biomes don't have anything particularly unique about them in vanilla.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 22, 2017, 06:28:30 pm
I see it's common knowledge that item_thief civ merchants trigger several pages of 'a thief has stolen xyz' when they leave the map. It's right there on the wiki. So I'll ignore that.
But...it doesn't seem to actually be on the bug tracker? I've searched, 'thieves', 'thief', 'merchants', 'steal', 'stolen' and there seems to be nothing. I mean, I know it's low priority as it only effects modded races but surely it's there somewhere, right? Is this another one of those 'common knowledge to everyone but Toady' issues that will never be fixed?
Post by: peasant cretin on September 25, 2017, 05:47:45 pm
Code: [Select]
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD] <--- left as is, as there was always a BP category error
[EBO_ITEM:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_FEATHER:INORGANIC:FEATHER_SMALL] <--- forehead up against the limit of item tokens
[EBO_SHAPE:FEATHERS] <--- EDIT: noticed this line is unnecessary >_> It was ugly and heavyhanded with both MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FEATHER_TEMPLATE and INORGANIC:FEATHER_SMALL getting REACTION_CLASS:FLETCHING which opened up an infinite reagent exploit.Also had to use a strange naming sequence as FEATHER_SMALL's name was "feather" for both noun and adj, and because this was the material type, it became the adjective to the name of the tool, which (at this moment at least) was "quills" and to the name of the bowyering product "fletching."
So anytime a hunter/ranger kills a small bird of at least 1700 size, besides 2 units of meat/fat, 1 unit of skin, they'll also get feather quills.
Presuming non-use of the reaction class exploit, each small bird can make 10 (material type) fletchings = 10 arrows or 10 bolts.
Probably the best way to have an Adv Mode character scratch the groundskeeper/gameskeeper/huntsperson itch.
Post by: peasant cretin on September 25, 2017, 11:55:15 pm
Code: [Select]
[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FEATHER_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:GRAY]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:feathers]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:feather]Removed the name from the tool as it'll end up after the material's adjective:
Code: [Select]
[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_FEATHER]
NAME:quills:quills <-------- removed this
[VALUE:10]
[SOFT_MAT]Finally the raven's entry in creature_birds_new.txt:
Code: [Select]
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
[EBO_ITEM:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_FEATHER:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:FEATHER]Better result:
(https://i.imgur.com/uDl7dew.png)
Inventory item (b) is the generic butchered item. There are 4 because MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FEATHER_TEMPLATE has the bone token.
Inventory item (d) is from the EBO_ITEM.
Other than that, once they go through the bowyering reaction, the product from either will produce 10 giant raven feather fletchings.
Post by: KittyTac on September 26, 2017, 07:27:36 am
Post by: Lordsservent-san on September 26, 2017, 01:05:46 pm
I modded in a dog that spits molten adamantine at a WAIT_TIME of 1. Targets melt. Where do I put it?I don't know, maybe you should increase the wait time, and why did you do this?
Post by: KittyTac on September 26, 2017, 09:24:47 pm
I modded in a dog that spits molten adamantine at a WAIT_TIME of 1. Targets melt. Where do I put it?I don't know, maybe you should increase the wait time, and why did you do this?
For fun. Like the dragon that spits rainbows. And the slade colossus.
Post by: Enemy post on September 26, 2017, 10:01:57 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on September 27, 2017, 12:53:04 am
The reactions otherwise work as planned thus far. Further testing and i should be able to release this update. Just need to turn some critters into other critters and vampires and stuff.
Beyond that, i guess i could count the little tweaks i still occasionally do to a much older mod, and plans to revive another one ive let slide since ive been focusing on spellcrafts. Just made some gnolls to rove around the wilderness occasionally getting adopted into civs. Elves like them it seems.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 27, 2017, 02:17:52 am
Stabbed feet don't leak putrid seawater yet, a most foul hint at their unholy origins, but I guess I'll work out how to do that eventually.
The final thing to work out is a cleaning mechanism for their foot-hair. Hobbits spend their lives barefoot and their towns seem to be full of rotting sealife strewn across the streets. Hobbit lice will therefore keep hobbit feet clean. What a heartwarming symbiotic relationship.
Post by: D_E on September 27, 2017, 11:16:06 pm
Post by: Aranador on September 28, 2017, 05:53:23 am
Ponies were present, and all seemed to be working as expected. Alas this means I am running out of distractions from the drudge work of finishing the colour definitions. Still - Ponies !!
Post by: ZM5 on September 28, 2017, 07:34:03 am
Post by: KittyTac on September 28, 2017, 07:37:26 am
Working on multi-caste creatures is a bit tedious even if the end result's pretty fun (after fixing errorlog stuff anyway). Doing undead pirate invaders right now, should be fun making weapons for them.
Did draconian castes without fuss, until I got a grudge on draconians for being excessively !!FUN!! and I'm not that good at fort mode.
Post by: ZM5 on September 28, 2017, 08:38:21 am
I usually don't have too many issues making vastly different castes - its just a tad tedious if there's a lot of them and if some use different body materials (i.e skeletal pirates in this case).Working on multi-caste creatures is a bit tedious even if the end result's pretty fun (after fixing errorlog stuff anyway). Doing undead pirate invaders right now, should be fun making weapons for them.
Did draconian castes without fuss, until I got a grudge on draconians for being excessively !!FUN!! and I'm not that good at fort mode.
EDIT: Arr, pirates be done.
(https://puu.sh/xL1XU/afc198e5dc.png)
Their cannonballs definitely are powerful enough - gotta see how well they fare in worldgen. Should be a good tier 2 invader challenge for forts - they don't have metal armor of any kind or even shields but they do have multiple castes with some gimmicks, some of which are pretty strong physically even when unarmed.
Post by: overseer05-15 on September 28, 2017, 02:28:59 pm
Will the undead pirates make more undead pirates, or will they eventually run out?I usually don't have too many issues making vastly different castes - its just a tad tedious if there's a lot of them and if some use different body materials (i.e skeletal pirates in this case).Working on multi-caste creatures is a bit tedious even if the end result's pretty fun (after fixing errorlog stuff anyway). Doing undead pirate invaders right now, should be fun making weapons for them.
Did draconian castes without fuss, until I got a grudge on draconians for being excessively !!FUN!! and I'm not that good at fort mode.
EDIT: Arr, pirates be done.
(https://puu.sh/xL1XU/afc198e5dc.png)
Their cannonballs definitely are powerful enough - gotta see how well they fare in worldgen. Should be a good tier 2 invader challenge for forts - they don't have metal armor of any kind or even shields but they do have multiple castes with some gimmicks, some of which are pretty strong physically even when unarmed.
Post by: ZM5 on September 28, 2017, 02:58:41 pm
Post by: KittyTac on September 28, 2017, 09:00:04 pm
Code: [Select]
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_RAIL_ACCELERATOR]
[NAME:rail accelerator:rail accelerators]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[RANGED:CROSSBOW:RAIL_SHELL]
[SHOOT_FORCE:10000000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:20000000000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:30000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
Code: [Select]
[ITEM_AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_SHELL]
[NAME:rail accelerator shell:rail accelerator shells] make this out of slade, preferably
[CLASS:RAIL_SHELL]
[SIZE:1500]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5:1000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
Has anybody got a clue on what are the caps for [SHOOT_FORCE] and [SHOOT_MAXVEL]?
Post by: Lordsservent-san on September 28, 2017, 11:33:07 pm
Made these badass things:The caps are about 5000 I think, though it could be higher depending on how the game USB coded and how good you are at coding.Code: [Select][ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_RAIL_ACCELERATOR]
[NAME:rail accelerator:rail accelerators]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[RANGED:CROSSBOW:RAIL_SHELL]
[SHOOT_FORCE:10000000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:20000000000]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:30000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]Code: [Select][ITEM_AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_SHELL]
[NAME:rail accelerator shell:rail accelerator shells] make this out of slade, preferably
[CLASS:RAIL_SHELL]
[SIZE:1500]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5:1000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
Has anybody got a clue on what are the caps for [SHOOT_FORCE] and [SHOOT_MAXVEL]?
Post by: KittyTac on September 30, 2017, 06:02:01 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 30, 2017, 10:16:52 am
Could also do some type of "good rain" for good biomes. Not sure what it'd do yet though admittedly; one concept I had was making wild animals with the NATURAL token turning homicidally insane (with OPPOSED_TO_LIFE and NOT_LIVING so they wouldn't attack each other) - though IIRC thats not one of the targettable tokens by interactions so I'll have to figure out something else.
Post by: D_E on September 30, 2017, 10:26:20 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 30, 2017, 10:40:54 am
Post by: Bearskie on September 30, 2017, 11:30:47 am
That could actually work pretty well even if I don't like messing with vanilla raws.
Well, if you don't mind hacky voodoo c_var magic, you could hitch a ride and drop this in one of the standard swim/crawl gaits.
Code: [Select]
[CV_CONVERT_TAG]
[CVCT_MASTER:NATURAL]
[CVCT_TARGET:NATURAL]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT:CREATURE_CLASS:NATURAL_ANIMAL:[NATURAL]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on October 01, 2017, 04:33:24 pm
Realized my hobbit foot-lice were too hot. Was wondering why arena scraps in which hobbits pummel each other to death with their feet ended up with horrific melting injuries.
Injured Hobbit feet will now successfully leak putrid seawater too. Will add some kind of syndrome to it later. Perhaps something that targets a specific race. Oh what Fun it would be for all the minotaur dancers in your tavern to suddenly become [Crazed]. In the far future, targeted cleaning jobs might make it actually fair...
Injured hobbit descriptions include 'his left foot's putrid seawater is gone' after it's leaked out. It's true, but I don't think it needs to be stated. Will try and see if it's possible to fix that before moving on.
Post by: Enemy post on October 02, 2017, 12:50:25 pm
I'd like to add ice age animals like the saber-tooth tiger and woolly mammoth to my creatures pack, but I'm not sure if I'll have time before the new version is released.
Post by: ZM5 on October 02, 2017, 04:16:48 pm
That only really leaves the Circus invaders left for me to do. I'm still not sure what I want the ventriloquist to look like, though. I was originally thinking it'd have the dummy coming out of a bloody hole in its stomach - but in gameplay terms the effect would be too similar to the conjoined twins; meanwhile any raising interactions would be in the hands of the puppeteer and (maybe) the ringmaster.
Also not sure what spells or abilities the Ringmaster would have. Maybe some weird combinations of buffs and debuffs - i.e he raises a random dwarves agility but lowers their strength, or making a dwarf inexhaustible but also having a chance of making them homicidally insane; alternatively some necromancy-related interactions, like turning corpses into backup performers (read: zombie clowns).
Post by: overseer05-15 on October 02, 2017, 07:35:03 pm
Post by: Aranador on October 02, 2017, 09:06:46 pm
I've also rethought the weaponry and tools used by the ponies, focusing on weapons that would be possible to be somewhat effective if wielded in your mouth and swung using your neck muscles. So they use cutlass swords - curve bladed weapons that deal their effect through slashing more than cleaving. I've left spears in because you see them all over the show. I also gave them a truncheon weapon, which is little more than a stick to thump things with. I also gave them a 'chakka sling' which if you have ever been clay target shooting and used a hand sling to launch the target, you know what it is, but it is basically a stick with a socket at one end that you slot the projectile into, then you flick the sling to throw the weapon with greater force. The projectile is a bladed disk or possibly all those left over CDs you have.
I included a very powerful katana weapon, but the difficulty in making it should see it reserved for your favourite heroes. I am also pondering if to make some sort of 'mini-thunder cloud' weapon, but since I cant limit such a thing's use to pegasi (although I can tie it to alchemy that the other ponies don't have) I am not sure if I should, or even need to given that the chakka sling is available.
I cleaned up the existing straw and fleece reactions, so that they actually work, and am debating making some form of cloud production facility - although not sure if I should - both because it doesn't serve any real purpose and because again there is no way to limit cloud manipulation to just pegasi. If it just becomes a 'free infinite building material' that uses water rather than clay, then it is sorta meh. Still - I might include it just because of theme.
I am going to include some more aggressive civilizations to fight with, although I'll do them as a sort of add on module so you can choose to up your enemy count a la fort defence, or leave them out for happy pony utopia gaming.
And then there is still a thousand colour definitions to do. Sigh.
Post by: VolcanoQueen on October 02, 2017, 09:26:35 pm
Post by: Aranador on October 05, 2017, 11:02:44 pm
edit
Well - other than a whole slew of cut and paste typos and a handful of mis-remembered skill tokens, everything appeared to work. I was especially surprised when my more complicated reaction worked correctly first time. (and amused when an intermediate reaction where a cut-paste had left a wrong product in place resulted in a woven ruby basket)
So now I need to play through a fortress with the mod to see if everything plays out how I was hoping. Like I needed an excuse to play the game :P
Post by: D_E on October 15, 2017, 01:50:22 pm
Post by: Dunmeris on October 15, 2017, 06:54:34 pm
Once all that's done (and the non-Western civs have their religious buildings/interactions), I'll be able to release my big medieval total conversion project.
I'd like to also add a demon summoning/blasphemous ritual system, that would possibly have tie-in/overlap with the religion system (basically any sort of demonic ritual would permanently damn the practicioner so they could not perform any religious building reactions), but I'm terrified of coding.
I'm going full medieval with this shit. I've already long since removed all non-European/Middle-Eastern/North African plants and animals, not to mention I've removed the ability to play as dwarves and elves (they exist (maybe) but are much more mysterious and inhuman; you have to play as a human (from one of seven cultures) in this mod). Three temperate cultures, three tropical cultures, and one weird cave-dwelling arctic culture seems like a good amount, doesn't it?
Post by: peasant cretin on October 18, 2017, 06:57:36 pm
Ever since Toady fixed limb armor in July 2016, archers have been able to wear limb armor with ARMORLEVEL:1. In vanilla all works as it should, but naturally I bumbled things in the P&F Mod. It has chain metal mittens set up similarly to chain metal leggings. So far this sounds fine, until there's a closer look
In vanilla, leggings come in leather or metal, with leather being assigned ARMORLEVEL:1 and thus metal having ARMORLEVEL:2.
Leather mittens, however, have an armor level of zero, making METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS assign ARMORLEVEL:1 to chain metal mittens, so archers were genning in a "how do they string their bows with mail mittens sort of way?"
Finally took a look at it, did a fix and removed leather from gloves to make a shaped, LAYER:COVER, armor classed leather gloves entry---so archers wear leather gloves as their hand armor. As such they don't wear mittens, either.
Ended up doing the same for shoes too. This way the only metal armor for archer would be head gear and body armor.
It's all a little more narratively sound now.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on October 19, 2017, 02:00:36 pm
Some stuff like adding spheres and removing MAXAGE.
Still haven’t seen if golden eggshells actually make golden bars/golden meals yet
Post by: overseer05-15 on October 19, 2017, 06:50:56 pm
Post by: scourge728 on October 21, 2017, 06:00:46 pm
Post by: D_E on October 21, 2017, 06:03:13 pm
(Specifically, you can't actually make upper body armor for humanoids that covers the legs but not the arms)
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on October 21, 2017, 08:32:03 pm
Wild dwarf fortress I'm testing right now are getting a lot of visitors from the nearby dwarf civ despite dwarves supposedly being a hostile civ. Not just bards, but mercs and the occasional noble. Maybe the checks that prevent regular goblins (besides entertainers) from visiting dwarves are limited to only goblin civs right now?
Funny how the baron of our arch-enemies feels relieved after being granted residency. There's a story in there somewhere.
Post by: D_E on October 21, 2017, 10:24:43 pm
Post by: ZM5 on October 22, 2017, 10:31:30 am
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlCMTCE.png)
Without the pet token they also count as full citizens that can be given jobs!
Post by: Enemy post on October 22, 2017, 10:40:26 am
Post by: scourge728 on October 22, 2017, 10:56:51 am
Post by: Valikdu on October 22, 2017, 11:02:51 am
Post by: Enemy post on October 22, 2017, 11:13:01 am
Seriously, how does bodysize work
It's a measurement of mass, and is measured in cubic centimeters. Quoting the wiki:
Quote from: The wiki
Sets size at a given age. Size is in cubic centimeters, and for normal body materials is roughly equal to the creature's average weight in grams.
Example:
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:10000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:50000]
[BODY_SIZE:12:0:220000]
This describes the size of a minotaur. His birth size would be 10,000 cm3 (~10 kg). At 1 year and 168 days old he would be 50,000 cm3 (~50 kg). And as an adult (at 12 years old) he would be 220,000 cm3 and weigh roughly 220 kg.
Was that what you wanted? A notable bit is that there's an upper cap, but it can be increased by making a tiny creature that gets boosted by [CHANGE_BODY_SIZE_PERC:x] tokens.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on October 22, 2017, 11:33:39 am
Found something interesting that some of you may find useful - apparently, if you give some of a creatures castes [SLOW_LEARNER] but not the others, those castes will be available on embark as "pets".
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlCMTCE.png)
Without the pet token they also count as full citizens that can be given jobs!
Interesting is that all? As a quick test I made dwarven males only have CAN_SPEAK and SLOW_LEARNER and females with INTELLIGENT but at embark I can't order any dwarven males.
Curious if you'd share that creature as this would beat my hacky way of getting this same approach using breeder creatures and transformations
Post by: ZM5 on October 22, 2017, 12:06:45 pm
That only seems to apply to wild creatures though (this one in particular is playable in an animal person way and so migrates to civs), not civilized races.Found something interesting that some of you may find useful - apparently, if you give some of a creatures castes [SLOW_LEARNER] but not the others, those castes will be available on embark as "pets".
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlCMTCE.png)
Without the pet token they also count as full citizens that can be given jobs!
Interesting is that all? As a quick test I made dwarven males only have CAN_SPEAK and SLOW_LEARNER and females with INTELLIGENT but at embark I can't order any dwarven males.
Curious if you'd share that creature as this would beat my hacky way of getting this same approach using breeder creatures and transformations
Link here (https://puu.sh/y4qkj/443ba9900a.txt) - I removed the innate interactions they have in my full pack so they dont cause the errorlog to vomit stuff up.
Post by: scourge728 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:04 pm
Seriously, how does bodysize work
It's a measurement of mass, and is measured in cubic centimeters. Quoting the wiki:Quote from: The wikiSets size at a given age. Size is in cubic centimeters, and for normal body materials is roughly equal to the creature's average weight in grams.
Example:
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:10000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:50000]
[BODY_SIZE:12:0:220000]
This describes the size of a minotaur. His birth size would be 10,000 cm3 (~10 kg). At 1 year and 168 days old he would be 50,000 cm3 (~50 kg). And as an adult (at 12 years old) he would be 220,000 cm3 and weigh roughly 220 kg.
Was that what you wanted? A notable bit is that there's an upper cap, but it can be increased by making a tiny creature that gets boosted by [CHANGE_BODY_SIZE_PERC:x] tokens.
thank you
Post by: Enemy post on October 22, 2017, 01:25:04 pm
Post by: Bearskie on October 23, 2017, 01:48:56 am
Primarily, it feels like I'm moving too slow. I don't have much problems with the syntax, but I find myself spending alot of time cross referencing against vanilla creature values, eg. to check the speed of a kangaroo-like creature, or the petvalue of a cow-like creature.
Currently I can finish about 5-10 creatures per hour, but at this rate it's going to take me 20-30 hours to finish this whole thing. I'm just curious to know if this is a normal speed of modding, or if I'm just slow, or how the hell did someone like Firephoenix do 800+ creatures with custom abilities and stats without breaking a sweat?
Post by: ZM5 on October 23, 2017, 02:22:02 am
I'm just curious to know if this is a normal speed of modding, or if I'm just slow, or how the hell did someone like Firephoenix do 800+ creatures with custom abilities and stats without breaking a sweat?Usually years of doing this type of stuff.
For the most part its normal to have this kind of slow speed, even if its just copypasting derivatives of the same creature, since you still have to change the description amongst some other minor details. Myself I don't usually cross-reference vanilla creatures so that may speed things up a bit.
You're gonna hit roadblocks a lot with multi-caste creatures though, especially of the type that utilize different materials for various castes - the Scourge race on its own took me around 3 days iirc, since aside from the creature itself there's also all the stuff like tissues, materials, body detail plans, spells for appropriate castes, dialogue files - then all the stuff for their entity file as well, weapons, armor, etc. - then also the bugfixing that comes afterward. Its really satisfying to get it all done though.
On a side note, crossover content is a pain in the ass for multiple reasons. Aside from having to do a lot of workarounds, there's also the issue of wheter you try to remain faithful or try to have some amount of balance. I'm not entirely happy with petrifaction-inducing syndromes, for example, since if it doesnt proc it does nothing and if it does its basically instant death - I wish there was a middle ground, an in-game support for petrifaction or but there isn't right now. That said I think I'd rather remain faithful to the original sources rather than be fully balanced - a medusa, basilisk or cockatrice without petrifaction would just be unfitting.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on October 23, 2017, 05:41:33 pm
Happy to see them as monkey-man civ siege triggers are set at zero and I was wondering if that would prevent ambushes or not. Now I know.
Now just have to figure out why their visitors are listed as pets (they sing and dance and petition just fine).
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on October 23, 2017, 07:40:30 pm
And planning on adding some Sulfur (Sulfuric acid) creatures too with iron skin to caves ( more or less planning on redoing all of the cave layers to be more themed and dangerous )
and planning new Good and Evil creatures for the Biomes
Post by: bloop_bleep on October 23, 2017, 10:32:25 pm
Post by: Aranador on October 24, 2017, 04:40:31 am
I also tweaked their entity ethics, with a view to making other races more likely to declare war. Moar war moar fun! I intend to make at least one more entity, and preferably some more, again with a view to making more conflicts.
Post by: scourge728 on October 25, 2017, 08:53:40 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on October 25, 2017, 10:16:01 pm
The DF crabs are..... quite a lot larger than any real life land-going crab, as in 8 kilograms, while the largest one in real life is only 4.1 kilograms.... which is going to be a bit of a problem for my coconut crab modNo, resist..urge to post...urgh. Too late.
"The Tasmanian Giant Crab, Pseudocarcinus gigas, is the heaviest species of crab in the world. It can reach over 15kg in weight, and over 35cm across the carapace..."
--edit
Ah, "land going crab". Ok. Now I feel silly. That'll help future impulsive posting. :)
Post by: Eric Blank on October 25, 2017, 10:56:31 pm
Ive also been just screwing around making weird animals. And fixing bugs with the critters ive already made. And thinking about resurrecting a dead mod, if only to include it in another one for fun.
Post by: ZM5 on November 10, 2017, 11:40:43 am
Orcs, aside from having more brave (occasionally to a suicidal extent) citizens would be able to make Arcanite as their unique metal - I was thinking of adding the Spirit Lodge as a building type that'd let you make incenses (boulders that evaporate immediately into gas) which either just give happy moodlets or provide actual combat buffs. Perhaps with enough ingredients of some kind it'd also let the player "train" orc shamans. Some minor alchemy possible too that'd let the player turn orcs into dire orcs.
Goblins would have some alchemy as well, with more of a focus on it than orcs - lots of potions that improve citizen performance. Also they'd get new unique pets in the next version. Not sure what else though - maybe making some more powerful ranged and melee weapons but it'd require multiple reactions to forge parts for them before assembling them together using mechanisms?
Forsaken are probably the ones I'd love to make the most but I don't know what unique gimmicks they'd have, or downsides to offset the fact they don't need sleep or sustenance. Maybe a plagueatorium building that, via fumes expelled during reactions, would turn what living animals they have into stronger, undead versions - with a chance they just go berserk instead. Or flat-out die from spontaneous exsanguination.
Also unique potions that would have beneficial effects on them - while being incredibly deadly to the living, to discourage use of non-undead mercs or performers.
If the sentient eating/butchering ethic thing wasn't bugged, I'd make them carnivores that require to eat, so if your fort was starving you'd probably have to end up eating the next merchant caravan that came, out of pragmatism.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on November 11, 2017, 12:19:38 am
Potential birth defects, and might even start on mental illnesses
Starting to get into work on "standby" interactions
Post by: Eric Blank on November 11, 2017, 01:20:14 am
SO MANY
Post by: Droggarth on November 16, 2017, 08:52:07 am
As for the modding, last thing I changed was the concept of my Ischraayad idea (aka adventuer-only-super-race) from a super-succubus to a super-dreanei with orange color schemes and azure eyes and, ofc; abilites of a succubus (no wings but can fly without them by innate magic + innate abilites of a paladin including mainly resurrection) along with much more lines of info in the raw spanning about 3-5 pages if it was in a form of a book because I added all the appearance data too, takes a bit of time in the character creation to find the right appearance since I still have no idea how the heck one would get a broad body description as all previous attempts at it resulted in frustration and no result as it doesn't matter how broad the body is manually forced to be broad, despite my best attempts at forcing a very broad body on previous testing characters, so.. meh and bleh pretty much. Anyhow-
-Detailed customizing body part material and tissue values in a creature raw to separate a creature from the rest of the lot sure takes a lot of info too but at least it's the best alternative than adding separate new tissue and material values which is more hassle than just writing in new data in a single raw file without the pain of adding and/or altering a few extra files unless I feel it to be a necessary element to add. One of the minor necessary things was to switch on a fixed temperature line finally and set the value of the creature's natural body temperature so my adventurers wouldn't feel cold nor hot except feeling as if they are in their own preferred temperature comfort zone already.
And yeah, I'm still into playing as a tough female adventurer instead than as a tough male adventurer. That and I'm more than glad about having already godly metals/alloys of my own that can withstand astronomical levels of punishment. Have yet to take on a clown/demon again and I'd rather have my eldritch close-to-impervious armor on that is made out of my ischronite rather than adamantine in 43.05 version of the game as I would hate losing my armor and I would loathe losing my mastercraft adorned drolth (a barbaric viking-esque two-handed one-edge sword with potential to thrust and stab too) if both were made of something inferior.
Not complaining here except the issue with body broadness description feature. Everything else I already have a remedy for set in place and I am glad that I do because I've always loved playing as a god-like being in RPG games the most as I don't have to worry about dying and otherwise get wantonly my nerves lit on fire due to frustration of not being able to progress further by obstacles that might as well be invisible walls until I cheat and mod and then smash that proverbial invisible wall with Khorne's middle fingers. 8)
Post by: Aranador on November 16, 2017, 03:41:37 pm
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on November 16, 2017, 03:50:57 pm
Lowest low avg high highest
you can force say a creature's nails to be very long and curved with
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:200:200:200:200:200:200:200]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:30:60:90:110:150:190]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:claws:PLURAL]
[BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:UPTURNED:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:claws:PLURAL]
Even tho no matter what the length is 200, the range says they are above the 190 range meaning to describe them as the HIGHEST descriptor (the UPTURNED is reversed so it shows as the LOWEST meaning curved
Post by: Droggarth on November 17, 2017, 12:18:30 am
As for the broadness description idea itself; The broadness I've always been talking about is based on Adeptus Astartes aka Space Marine levels of body proportions. Not too human and not too inhuman. That's why I've gone half nuts about when trying to get a broad bodied adventurer, heh.
Post by: peasant cretin on November 22, 2017, 08:56:19 am
*click thumbnail to expand*
(https://i.imgur.com/bs7PYik.png)
So pretty much whatever you want coming after the extremely long hair, you'd give the APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE a higher value. I gave the "beard" entry a 950.
I threw in the raw edits after hair type (curly/dense/greasy):
Code: [Select]
Here we set the growth rate. This will change the modifier (LENGTH) by 1 each day up to a maximum of 1000 from the start of the dwarf's life (early beards!) for as long as the dwarf is alive. The format is (APP_MOD_RATE|<rate>|<scale>|<min>|<max>|<start year>|<start day>|<end year>|<end day>) where the final two tokens can be replaced by NO_END if the growth is to continue indefinitely.
[APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:1000:0:0:NO_END]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:10:25:75:125:200:300]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CURLY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GREASY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DENSE:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:130:145]
********[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:200:200:200:200:200:200]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:925]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:sideburns:PLURAL]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:200:200:200:200:200:200]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:925]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:moustache:SINGULAR]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:200:200:200:200:200:200]
[APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:950]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:beard:SINGULAR]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:55:70:90:110:150:190]********I just tinkered with length. Putnam posted the BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER strings here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118077.msg3720033#msg3720033). Maybe at a later date I'll work in greasiness and density to outsider dorf beards too.
EDIT: A pretty important note in all this is you only want these raw edits in when you start a new game to roll your character as I'm sure you'd want the historical dorfs and the non-historicals to be free of these "glue on" descriptions, which will be redundant in their descriptions.
EDIT2: Realized I could just have the "glue on" description read APP_MOD_NOUN:unkempt beard:SINGULAR. So hobo dorfing is quite possible. No more neatly combed!
*click thumbnail to expand*
(https://i.imgur.com/eS3uHTa.png)
Post by: Enemy post on November 22, 2017, 03:33:40 pm
"This is a legendary dwarf parchment comic book. Engraved on the item is a bat man and an iron man. The bat man is fighting the iron man. The written portion consists of a 923 page manual concerning societies."
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 23, 2017, 02:01:36 am
Post by: ZM5 on November 23, 2017, 07:33:36 pm
For one, creatures appointed NEED to have a pet role to actually show up - war trainable, mount, wagon puller, etc. Even if they have the proper class token, they won't show up unless they have a role token or you use one of the overrides - which defeats the purpose of having non-pet animals added. Don't exactly want to see a large demon riding into a siege on a tiny imp. Or imp wagon pullers. Or well, any other "pet" role, honestly. Was hoping we could use this to have innate intelligent wilderness creature populations in civs that would be playable - even if you do give them the overrides they won't be playable, though.
The ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT token doesn't work for this either - they just don't get spawned.
Secondly, the populations of said creatures seem affected by the role as well. Small example:
(https://puu.sh/ysi2a/35444e42bf.png)
The Shredders, Sky Golems, and Hobgoblins are all mounts, and so seem to have much higher populations than the Harvest Golems, which are only pets. Having 2 of them for the entire civ though? Quite ridiculously low.
I hope this gets expanded a lot more, since there's great potential here.
Post by: KittyTac on November 23, 2017, 10:28:43 pm
Post by: Asin on November 23, 2017, 10:29:54 pm
Ported mods onto the new version.As have I.
Post by: Ultimuh on November 23, 2017, 10:36:46 pm
Some taken ideas from what people here have already done, and a bunch of stuff I have added myself.
I am wondering where I could upload the stuff, Github maybe? Any alternatives?
Post by: overseer05-15 on November 23, 2017, 11:32:35 pm
I do have a small handful of descriptor_shape txt's that I have been working on.
Some taken ideas from what people here have already done, and a bunch of stuff I have added myself.
I am wondering where I could upload the stuff, Github maybe? Any alternatives?
DFFD is usually where stuff like that is kept
Post by: Enemy post on November 24, 2017, 11:33:09 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 25, 2017, 12:56:13 am
One useful thing is that Toady mentioned active_season is no longer linked to siege timing in this version, so it might be as easy as just removing their active_season tags.
Post by: ZM5 on November 25, 2017, 04:54:14 am
While you initially load up adventure mode, they wont actually be there as an option. However, once you play once from the civ that has a creature like that, they do seem to load up the next time around.
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on November 25, 2017, 05:38:21 am
Hmm, interesting thing about the playable intelligent wilderness populations that are assigned as pets.Odd. Perhaps they get loaded as livestock, but saved as citizens?
While you initially load up adventure mode, they wont actually be there as an option. However, once you play once from the civ that has a creature like that, they do seem to load up the next time around.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 25, 2017, 06:43:49 am
As a curious side effect, their civ has manage to attract migrations of saltwater crocodile men three worlds in a row. Coincidence? Or have I discovered a way to guarantee civilization of specific animal-man pops?
--edit
Oh, I see what happened. The new creature_class I gave saltwater crocodiles copied over to the animal men variant (and giant saltwater crocodiles too).
Post by: ZM5 on November 25, 2017, 07:41:17 am
Seems to be the case, due to the "always pet" override. Without it, they wouldn't spawn in civ populations at all.Hmm, interesting thing about the playable intelligent wilderness populations that are assigned as pets.Odd. Perhaps they get loaded as livestock, but saved as citizens?
While you initially load up adventure mode, they wont actually be there as an option. However, once you play once from the civ that has a creature like that, they do seem to load up the next time around.
Post by: Foxite on November 25, 2017, 01:48:37 pm
For example: disable fishing in your modded race, and use the default embark profile when embarking as that race. Watch as one of your starting seven goes fishing.
I'm not filing a bug report on this because it only happens if you have a mod installed that can let this happen, but it's still something that's probably not supposed to happen.
Post by: Greiger on November 25, 2017, 02:53:34 pm
- There does not appear to be an [ANIMAL_NEVER_PRESENT] tag. Or at least it's not documented. And never pet/pack animal/wagon puller does not cut it.
- giving an animal natural swimming and climbing skill of 15 causes the legendary flash even on animals that can't learn.
- Making an animal's scales equivalent to copper seems to make it nearly impervious to harm from other animals. And quadruped gaits seem to be pretty darn fast even after attempting to make them 20% slower than normal.
Post by: Enemy post on November 25, 2017, 03:20:40 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 25, 2017, 04:14:40 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 25, 2017, 05:28:40 pm
Yea but I don't want to remove ALL mammals, and would like to do it without modifying the vanilla files too much, since it's a pita to manually edit them every new version. I'll find a way to deal I'm sure.Since dogs and cats don't occur naturally, doesn't banning them from being pets make them disappear?
Post by: Greiger on November 25, 2017, 06:26:32 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 25, 2017, 07:22:09 pm
They are still available on embark. Since it's a personal mod I can just ignore them, but it makes me worry they may show up with migrants as well.That's probably a seperate issue that needs dealing with. Kind of like being able to embark with 7 dwarves, when your civ only has a population of 1.
What's the actual cat population of your civ before embark?
Post by: scamtank on November 25, 2017, 08:29:02 pm
Attempting to remove dogs and cats from a reptilian fortress race to replace them with their own more expensive reptilian equivalents, while still maintaining the usual pack animals. Found a few things out:Funny, I could pull it off (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168353.msg7626898#msg7626898) myself. Did you plug up all the possible roles? Undoing the almighty [COMMON_DOMESTIC] tag might need that extra work.
- There does not appear to be an [ANIMAL_NEVER_PRESENT] tag. Or at least it's not documented. And never pet/pack animal/wagon puller does not cut it.
Post by: Greiger on November 25, 2017, 08:32:45 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 25, 2017, 10:57:36 pm
Scrolling around the fortress embark map, depending on the location hobbits appear as 'no trade'. There's only one hobbit civ, so I guess this means it's properly checking the actual site for wagon capability as opposed to the civ as a whole.
One other thing I noticed, I found a location with two towers. One marked 'no trade' and the other not marked as hostile. So...should be expecting a zombie caravan this year. :o
Post by: GoblinCookie on November 26, 2017, 11:03:35 am
Once the vanilla softcoded stuff in, I add in words for my mods softcoded stuff and there we have the next release of Forgotten Realms Direforged.
Post by: ZM5 on November 27, 2017, 02:30:02 am
(http://puu.sh/yuo7N/628fda095a.png)
With the new civ-level animal tokens, you can essentially bring in additional citizens on embark if you give them a sentient race as a "pet". Unlike with SLOW_LEARNER ones from before 44, they can actually hold noble positions as well - as seen with the flamewaker militia commander - meanwhile the dire pale orcs cant, due to having that particular token.
Didn't think this'd be possible, I admit - gonna have to go back and add pet values to these so you don't essentially get additional, giant citizens for 1 embark point.
Post by: Enemy post on November 27, 2017, 02:33:08 am
Post by: ZM5 on November 27, 2017, 04:23:29 am
Awesome! They show up as migrants as well.
EDIT: Oh, hmm. This is annoying - this one doesn't have labours available, unlike the ones I took with me on embark.
Post by: D_E on November 27, 2017, 01:11:57 pm
I guess the good news is, since this is the Zelda mod, I deleted many of the vanilla creatures so that the Zelda ones would show up more often :/
Post by: Xyon on November 29, 2017, 09:21:09 am
Post by: scourge728 on November 29, 2017, 09:53:24 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 29, 2017, 10:40:43 pm
Also the various tribal animal-men have sites full of related animals (giant and otherwise). Scorpion-folk get all the poisonous animals for now. So that all works.
Working beast numbers seem pretty inflated compared to regular pets, but I think that's a vanilla thing for now judging by the horse and camel numbers in regular df sites.
Post by: ZM5 on November 30, 2017, 03:48:26 pm
Post by: Cthulhu_Pakabol on November 30, 2017, 04:08:40 pm
Post by: Kyubee on December 02, 2017, 05:33:23 am
Post by: Jazz Cat on December 05, 2017, 04:48:20 pm
See that tiny brown slice at the top here?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So I gave them [NO_EAT] and [NO_DRINK].
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Turns out living on a glacier is a lot easier if you don't need to grow any crops.
Post by: CasualScrub on December 06, 2017, 12:54:15 am
I did have an idea for a tameable slime blob that you can milk soap-like goo from. Since there's no existing material like that, I guess I'll get to make one. Will dwarves use the goo as-is, or will they need to press it into soap first?
Post by: Jazz Cat on December 06, 2017, 01:06:53 am
Post by: CasualScrub on December 06, 2017, 01:11:10 am
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on December 06, 2017, 09:13:03 am
Post by: Jazz Cat on December 06, 2017, 04:24:00 pm
Post by: ZM5 on December 06, 2017, 04:42:52 pm
Swinefolk get obliterated in worldgen though, not entirely sure why, since AFAIK worldgen doesn't take into account available weapons and armor, which they have very little variants for. Hopefully its just a one-off occurence, and once they get more allies in the form of Cultists, Witches and Pelagics it'll stabilize a bit more.
Not sure how I'm gonna do the Heart of Darkness, admittedly. Or balance its "Come Unto Your Maker" attack.
Post by: Asin on December 06, 2017, 04:51:09 pm
Post by: ZM5 on December 06, 2017, 04:54:00 pm
Post by: bloop_bleep on December 06, 2017, 05:43:10 pm
I haven't actually started on this yet, as I'm not sure right now if it'll be feasible or worth the while. (There's still a lot of technical problems to be solved.) And, do any of you even want this?
Post by: Jazz Cat on December 06, 2017, 06:44:34 pm
Post by: ZM5 on December 07, 2017, 12:36:23 pm
Wondering how the pelagic civ is gonna work, considering the three male castes are spouse converters and the siren is a converted spouse.
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on December 07, 2017, 04:24:54 pm
Wondering how the pelagic civ is gonna work, considering the three male castes are spouse converters and the siren is a converted spouse.Will they even function correctly? I'd have thought that they'd either act as normal citizens, sans night troll behavior, or immediately flee to the wilderness. See also: A HF getting transformed into a megabeast with the POWER token, who will be stuck in an endless loop of deity impersonation and fleeing to the wilds.
Post by: ZM5 on December 07, 2017, 04:33:37 pm
Also admittedly, I haven't noticed the endless loop behavior with creatures being turned into megas with the power token, back when I'd have deity curses turning people into one of the seven deadly sins megas. They actually just stayed in whatever towns that were their homes.
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on December 07, 2017, 04:37:34 pm
Yeah it seems like they just dont have night creature behavior. Oh well, everything else works properly.Huh. My syndrome was transmitted via secret, so I assume that's where the crucial difference lies. Still, this merits more !!SCIENCE!!
Also admittedly, I haven't noticed the endless loop behavior with creatures being turned into megas with the power token, back when I'd have deity curses turning people into one of the seven deadly sins megas. They actually just stayed in whatever towns that were their homes.
Post by: Klisz on December 09, 2017, 12:41:17 pm
Post by: ZM5 on December 09, 2017, 12:52:44 pm
It occurs to me that the new pet system allows for a long-desired mod feature: multi-race civs! Making an intelligent race be a 'pet' of another race's civ seems to just elevate it to citizen status (you can assign labors to intelligent pets in fort mode, at least), so if you want (e.g.) a civ consisting of both dwarves and humans, make one of those the 'main' race and the other a pet.I posted about it before, but there's a key issue with that - when you get migrant waves, the migrants that aren't of your civs main race (i.e playing as a dwarf civ, but has elves as "pets") will be treated similarly to mercs or bards that petitioned for residency - as in, you cannot assign them jobs. They'll do hauling and whatever jobs that they have skill in, but you won't be able to do anything else with them.
Post by: Klisz on December 09, 2017, 01:05:32 pm
I posted about it before, but there's a key issue with that - when you get migrant waves, the migrants that aren't of your civs main race (i.e playing as a dwarf civ, but has elves as "pets") will be treated similarly to mercs or bards that petitioned for residency - as in, you cannot assign them jobs. They'll do hauling and whatever jobs that they have skill in, but you won't be able to do anything else with them.
Ah, that sucks. That definitely sounds like a bug and not WAI, though, so hopefully Toady'll fix it in one of the next few releases.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 09, 2017, 03:26:55 pm
Possibly, although he did say the animal tags really aren't supposed to be used with sapients. Might not get fixed until slavery is looked at a little more.I posted about it before, but there's a key issue with that - when you get migrant waves, the migrants that aren't of your civs main race (i.e playing as a dwarf civ, but has elves as "pets") will be treated similarly to mercs or bards that petitioned for residency - as in, you cannot assign them jobs. They'll do hauling and whatever jobs that they have skill in, but you won't be able to do anything else with them.
Ah, that sucks. That definitely sounds like a bug and not WAI, though, so hopefully Toady'll fix it in one of the next few releases.
Post by: deathpunch578 on December 09, 2017, 03:29:38 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 09, 2017, 03:33:08 pm
trying to get pigs shearable. I put the sheep RAWs having to do with wool in the right places, but after loading my save they aren't shearable. any helpPost your raws or no-one will be able to tell you what's wrong (and there is a general thread for questions - that'll get a quicker response).
Post by: bloop_bleep on December 09, 2017, 03:35:44 pm
Post by: deathpunch578 on December 09, 2017, 04:00:13 pm
Post by: Enemy post on December 09, 2017, 04:53:49 pm
Post by: overseer05-15 on December 09, 2017, 09:37:11 pm
Post by: scourge728 on December 09, 2017, 10:32:38 pm
Post by: Enemy post on December 09, 2017, 11:42:46 pm
I'm interested in seeing those sentient guns raws so I cansteallearn from the bullet code for an Aperture Science Sentry turret of some sorts
Here you go. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zybmy1ana8riaqa/gunfolk.zip?dl=0)
Post by: ZM5 on December 10, 2017, 07:46:23 am
Bloodsuckers are gonna be fun in sieges I'd think - even if you survive you'll get a vampire outbreak to deal with.
Post by: scourge728 on December 10, 2017, 08:21:00 am
I'm interested in seeing those sentient guns raws so I cansteallearn from the bullet code for an Aperture Science Sentry turret of some sorts
Here you go. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zybmy1ana8riaqa/gunfolk.zip?dl=0)
Thank you
Post by: ZM5 on December 10, 2017, 08:29:14 am
Post by: Enemy post on December 10, 2017, 10:35:18 am
Post by: ZM5 on December 10, 2017, 11:41:57 am
Post by: Kyubee on December 16, 2017, 08:41:21 pm
Also, I thought mono-gendered races worked. Harpies and stuff show up... Huh, interesting.
Post by: ZM5 on December 17, 2017, 02:40:42 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 17, 2017, 04:12:30 am
im trying to find language files people are willing to share. I'm tired of using the four normal languages for naming.Dflang is a util for generating new DF language files. It's very useful. My minotaurs speak a language generated from a base list of Japanese names, plus a sprinkling of Chinese. My hobbits' language is based on a mix of Old English and Norse.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=47332.0
Post by: Kyubee on December 23, 2017, 10:58:05 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 24, 2017, 10:07:28 am
I tried that, it constantly crashes for me.Strange. Try asking in the thread on it. Generating a new language is the first thing I do whenever I add a new race. Fantastic util when it's working.
Post by: gentgeen on December 25, 2017, 04:36:41 pm
Post by: Asin on December 25, 2017, 05:09:13 pm
Back before multi-tile trees were a thing, I had a list of trees in my personal mod that I added for flavor. I'm trying to figure out how to use the new tree tags and get them back.
What kind of trees?
Post by: Enemy post on December 25, 2017, 05:25:34 pm
Post by: Kat on December 25, 2017, 07:38:15 pm
been working on a thing that I've been poking at on and off for a while. Getting Rhenaya's drows to work in the newest versions. Finding a few little errors here and there, some positions lack responsibilities that are important now, for these new missions.
Persistent issue that the drows seem to die out quite often in worldgen. Changed some of their values and personality preferences, going to see if that changes.
Lots of little tweaking of armour sizes and things, to get stuff to work well.
Also made a beastman civilisation. I used to play Master of Magic way back, thought it might be fun to recreate some of the civs in dwarf fortress. Made a "high elves" civ and a "barbarian humans" civ as well. High elves can use some metals, and barbarian humans don't have libraries. Will add different weapons for them at some point for flavour.
Post by: gentgeen on December 26, 2017, 12:56:39 am
Back before multi-tile trees were a thing, I had a list of trees in my personal mod that I added for flavor. I'm trying to figure out how to use the new tree tags and get them back.
What kind of trees?
Typical mundane trees.
- Redwood
- Tupelo
- Joshua Trees
- Cottonwood
- Aspen
- Pinyon
- Portia
- Sycamore
- Palmetto
- Fir
- Spruce
- Juniper
Post by: Enemy post on December 26, 2017, 05:37:40 pm
I have working versions of the normal, fast, and poison crabs, now I'm going to start on the zombies. They won't actually be zombies, I'm just going to make the zombies castes of headcrab so they can be encountered together in the wild without fighting. The most difficult part will probably be the crab's own organs inside its body, separate from the zombie's exposed insides.
As a happy accident, if headcrabs win a fight, they usually finish off the target by latching onto the victims head and thrashing it around until they die.
I also have ichthyosaurs.
Post by: ZM5 on December 26, 2017, 05:48:36 pm
The most difficult part will probably be the crab's own organs inside its body, separate from the zombie's exposed insides.Given that you're using castes already, seems like it'd be fairly simple tbh - have the crab use the default internal organs and make another organ body part for the zombs, only lacking the [INTERNAL] token.
Post by: Enemy post on December 26, 2017, 05:57:51 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on December 27, 2017, 10:02:44 pm
Looking at this thread to see where I left off when I began tinkering with making clockwork seraphs. That was sorta how I figured outsider dorfs could have "beards".
Milk/milk booze never generated in the tavern barrels, so skipping that; it caused a weird issue with cheese no longer being edible. The feather-fletching thing worked so that's in.
Might make a reaction for "hot" water (http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000919/the-history-behind-chinas-obsession-with-hot-water) and make it give a good feeling when drunk, because heating water in vanilla does nothing but thaw if frozen.
While I had upgraded wood's sharpness to 5k, upgrading its weight just makes it metal's poorer doppelganger. But I do like the idea of elves hammering folks with heavy wooden lances and causing much upheaval...
Post by: TomiTapio on December 28, 2017, 12:56:03 am
Added backpacks and quivers made of wood, since always out of leather (high boot!high boot!high boot!high boot!high boot!high boot!high boot!)
Many years back I added wood tiers:
regular (value 1 birch, fir, pine, cork oak etc.),
fairwood (value 2 beech, yellow satinwood),
goodwood (value 3 oak, mahogany, teak, maple, ebony, holly etc. real-life furniture woods.)
Added leather tiers too: fur(leopard fur tunic mmm), suede(thin leather, for clothes),
leather (vanilla's), hide AKA tough leather (from rhinos and elephants), demon hide, dragon hide.
And piles of nice creatures, of course. spaniel (best for lap), bulldog, mastiff (best for guarding), faedog (rare expensive double-speed hound)
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Post by: TomiTapio on December 28, 2017, 12:58:04 am
Working on headcrabs.Can you make an adventure save where the wildlife transform is About To Happen, and email the save to Toady?
I'll probably not do it, since the game crashes if a nonhistorial figure transforms.
Post by: Enemy post on December 28, 2017, 11:17:06 am
Post by: Kat on December 28, 2017, 11:45:11 am
So now I am contemplating how FIGHTING SKELETONS might work, heh.
Post by: Enemy post on December 29, 2017, 01:06:55 am
Post by: Enemy post on December 30, 2017, 06:14:46 pm
*Sorry for double posting, forgot my previous post.
Post by: peasant cretin on December 30, 2017, 09:40:23 pm
20 units of meat weigh 42r. Shrunk the solid density so 20 meat = 20r. Mainly thinking in terms of when you dry meat like borts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borts) --- figure the weight for 20 units would be more like 4r.
Probably going to do something similar for cheese. Anyone whose adventurer happens to be a cheese hoarder would want lower total r.
Also finally (via forum search (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=154198.msg7048500#msg7048500)) fixed stone and bone high contact area slash so they actually cut through bare skin by mucking the shear yield/fracture#s to 250K and 150k. Still juggling that. Don't necessarily want high contact area slash going through multiple fabric layers.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 31, 2017, 12:55:35 am
Since cheese isnt a material any creatures are made of changing that wont matter at all, but now i want to make a cheese monster :P
Ive been toying with a dragon man race on top of balancing spells and syndromes again. I just felt like making magical dragon men with lots of castes vOv
Post by: Kat on December 31, 2017, 01:59:24 am
Ive been toying with a dragon man race on top of balancing spells and syndromes again. I just felt like making magical dragon men with lots of castes vOv
Interesting. I've thought about the Draconians from Master of Magic, and how they might be modelled.
Supposedly, they're quite bureaucratic and litigious in nature. Also they can breathe fire.
Might be amusing for them to have a caste that can breathe fire, and thus trains skill faster in cooking, wood-burning, furnace operating, and glass-making.
And of course, they'd be dangerous in the sense of accidentally (or not so accidentally), setting the map on fire, heh.
Post by: peasant cretin on December 31, 2017, 03:45:56 am
Maybe you could instead make a reaction that produces preserved/dried meat, which weighs less. When you modify the weight of the material creatures are made out of, youre altering their weight and the effect that has on their performance in combat as well. You could inadvertently be changing the game balance by a lot, especially how creatures made of standard materials compare to those made of inorganics or non-standard materials like bronze collosi and element men. Weight factors in a lot with regards to how easy it is to throw/smack opponents around and how much force is behind their own blows, especially blunt attacks.
Since cheese isnt a material any creatures are made of changing that wont matter at all, but now i want to make a cheese monster :P
Ive been toying with a dragon man race on top of balancing spells and syndromes again. I just felt like making magical dragon men with lots of castes vOv
Agreed. I haven't changed the meat entry in the material_template_default file. I used a
But yeah, what you were saying was something I was thinking about when changing sheer values for stone/bone/wood (no big deal) and later drifting towards, then skipping teeth/horns/nails (dwarf child scratches the brain of poor adventurer). Gotta limit the unintentional raw and in-game abominations.
I'm serious abut the cheese. I guess for me every dwarf is in some ways a hobbit.
Post by: TomiTapio on December 31, 2017, 11:37:47 am
And of course, they'd be dangerous in the sense of accidentally (or not so accidentally), setting the map on fire, heh.A good trick is: some workshop reactions having a 1% or 2% chance of making a COAL_BONFIRE (from Warlord255's bonfire minimod) which ignites things nearby. Hint: wooden cages + bonfire->grassfire
Here's ice(water boulder) to water bucket, and squeeze hospital water from plants, by Malecus:
so one can have plants to ale, and plants to water.
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tweaked dwarf creature soundmessages a bit:
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Post by: Asin on January 02, 2018, 12:57:52 pm
The Races:
- Hito, a human variant based on the Japanese, armed with the familiar weapons like katanas and kunai and the kinda less familiar stuff like the kanabo, otsuchi (a large wooden war mallet mostly used for breaking down doors, albeit the version I plan on implementing is metal and made to beat the crap of you), naginata, and the tonfa.
- Something Mongol-based that I can't think of right now... I may need ideas...
Post by: TomiTapio on January 03, 2018, 05:47:42 am
Something Mongol-based that I can't think of right now... I may need ideas...[/li][/list]Horse nomads, eh? What if they had 20 different types of bow, and arrow variety too. Blunt arrows for bird-hunting. Lightweight armors only. Fur-lined variants of clothes. Their scholars keen on astronomy and geography. Limit their metal reactions so they have basic iron and bronze.
Post by: ZM5 on January 03, 2018, 08:26:44 am
Still have three "segments" left to do though - mechanical variants, playable "wild" races, and civilized races themselves. Total of 42 creatures.
Admittedly, a lot of them aren't TOO different from the creatures they're derivated from - I'm fine with it though, tbh, since atleast there's some more variety in terms of biome wildlife. Don't think I'll be able to expand good biomes with this too much (a lot of the new creatures are "corrupted" versions of existing ones so they're in evil biomes), which kinda bothers me - I really want to expand those, but I guess I'm gonna have to wait until I'm done with this.
Post by: Asin on January 03, 2018, 08:30:47 am
Something Mongol-based that I can't think of right now... I may need ideas...[/li][/list]Horse nomads, eh? What if they had 20 different types of bow, and arrow variety too. Blunt arrows for bird-hunting. Lightweight armors only. Fur-lined variants of clothes. Their scholars keen on astronomy and geography. Limit their metal reactions so they have basic iron and bronze.
Sounds good enough for me! Although I am afraid I cannot make them nomads... Which awfully stinks...
Post by: ZM5 on January 03, 2018, 11:05:51 am
I wanted to give them slag spit (melted iron) as a facsimile of draconic fire breath, but uhh, it burned down the grassy part of the arena (also the human test dummy died but who cares about that), so I settled with them spitting up chunks of iron, which work fairly well as blunt projectiles.
Post by: peasant cretin on January 03, 2018, 06:06:18 pm
Something Mongol-based that I can't think of right now... I may need ideas...[/li][/list]Horse nomads, eh? What if they had 20 different types of bow, and arrow variety too. Blunt arrows for bird-hunting. Lightweight armors only. Fur-lined variants of clothes. Their scholars keen on astronomy and geography. Limit their metal reactions so they have basic iron and bronze.
Sounds good enough for me! Although I am afraid I cannot make them nomads... Which awfully stinks...
You could give the nomads both banditry tokens w/BANDITRY:100? This was you get camps and groups "milling about." Somewhat related is bandits never get civ facial hair as they (is true?) fall under being outsiders, but males could have a single facial hair set up if you have hair under caste.
Recently did the facial hair thing when making both gnome types outsider controllable.
Post by: TomiTapio on January 03, 2018, 06:19:19 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on January 03, 2018, 07:38:57 pm
EDIT: Easier to just dupe the 4 main races into nomadic dorf, etc, etc...
Post by: Enemy post on January 03, 2018, 10:58:24 pm
Post by: ZM5 on January 04, 2018, 08:01:27 pm
Post by: Cyroth on January 05, 2018, 07:05:27 am
Is there any way to make that stop?
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on January 05, 2018, 09:09:56 am
Post by: ZM5 on January 05, 2018, 09:11:25 am
Something's weird with that - if a civilized creature is genderless, you will see civs of them in worldgen. If they're monogendered, they will not spawn at all - I ran into that problem when making the witches for my Darkest Dungeon pack.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on January 05, 2018, 09:27:52 am
Post by: Cyroth on January 05, 2018, 10:28:07 am
Weighted the pop ratio 50000:1 in favor of males, so there are so few females that they die out after a single generation.
But every time the civ should die it gets repopulated with a fresh batch "from unknown parentage".
Like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/e0M4PqH.jpg)
Just in case it matters, what I wanted to do was create a civ that has sole access to overpowered weapons (and only those) and can create artifacts. They should stick around for about 50 years, create a dozen or so legendary weapons (since those are the only moodable things they can produce) and then die out. By the time world gen stops those weapons would hopefully be spread all over the world, with no possible way to produce more.
Think the Wheel Of Times heron blades or the shardblades in the Stormlight Archieve for examples of what I want to accomplish.
Post by: ZM5 on January 05, 2018, 11:40:49 am
Post by: D_E on January 05, 2018, 12:30:24 pm
Thats what I did.
Weighted the pop ratio 50000:1 in favor of males, so there are so few females that they die out after a single generation.
But every time the civ should die it gets repopulated with a fresh batch "from unknown parentage".
Like this:
Just in case it matters, what I wanted to do was create a civ that has sole access to overpowered weapons (and only those) and can create artifacts. They should stick around for about 50 years, create a dozen or so legendary weapons (since those are the only moodable things they can produce) and then die out. By the time world gen stops those weapons would hopefully be spread all over the world, with no possible way to produce more.
Think the Wheel Of Times heron blades or the shardblades in the Stormlight Archieve for examples of what I want to accomplish.
Back when all members of civs were explicitly modeled, it was possible to do this, but the changeover to abstract populations broke it. The game now appears to assume that all civilizations are capable of reproduction, resulting in the behavior you observed if they actually aren't.
I was not able to come up with a new scheme for assuring that a civ goes extinct.
If the pop limit tokens work again (those were also broken by the pop changeover) it's possible you can create a civ that has only one or a few sites, and is therefore PRONE to dying out during world gen (Lowering the Biome support values might also help this), but there would always be some chance of them surviving.
I believe you can make a civ that is essentially guaranteed to starve (make them agriculture-dependent and start in a biome where agriculture doesn't work), but I think that happens instantly, with no chance to create artifacts.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 05, 2018, 06:48:25 pm
Post by: Vordak on January 05, 2018, 07:57:27 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 05, 2018, 09:01:48 pm
You'd have to be a dwarf to understand how the great schism started. To outsiders they're much the same as regular dwarves, but tend to hang out in swamps and wear masks.
Post by: scourge728 on January 05, 2018, 10:05:01 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 05, 2018, 10:27:16 pm
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Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on January 05, 2018, 10:33:36 pm
Never seen this cause for a war before.Either you set "Reveal All Historical Events" to 0 or you've encountered a bug.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enemy post on January 05, 2018, 10:41:51 pm
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on January 05, 2018, 10:48:27 pm
What's the bug? I didn't alter revealing historical events.The bug is that there's no listed cause for the war. "The causes of the conflict are debated" is the game's way of saying "This is lost to history." Seeing as you didn't mess with the settings, something is amiss. If I had to guess, I'd say a value got assigned beyond the bounds of the relevant string-array.
Post by: Enemy post on January 05, 2018, 11:09:12 pm
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[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_CLEANER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CHEESE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SHEARER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SPINNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:COOK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:THRESHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILLER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BUTCHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TANNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PLANTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HERBALIST]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTASH_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LYE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOOD_BURNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MECHANIC]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_ENGINEER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PUMP_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLERK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ADMINISTRATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRADER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARCHITECT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DIAGNOSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SUTURER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SURGEON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLAZER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PRESSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BEEKEEPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WAX_WORKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RENDER_FAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_TALLOW]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MILL_SEEDS_NUTS_TO_PASTE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_BRICKS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_LARGE_CLAY_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_LARGE_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_CRAFT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_HIVE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_HONEYCOMB]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_WAX_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MEAD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_LAY_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLACK_BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STERLING_SILVER_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ROSE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PIG_IRON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STEEL_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE WOODEN DISPLAY CASE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:WALL]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:BRIDGE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:ROAD]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_REPRIMAND]
[ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[VALUE:LAW:50]
[VALUE:LOYALTY:50]
[VALUE:FAMILY:0]
[VALUE:FRIENDSHIP:26]
[VALUE:POWER:11]
[VALUE:TRUTH:0]
[VALUE:CUNNING:-11]
[VALUE:ELOQUENCE:0]
[VALUE:FAIRNESS:0]
[VALUE:DECORUM:15]
[VALUE:TRADITION:11]
[VALUE:ARTWORK:-11]
[VALUE:COOPERATION:40]
[VALUE:INDEPENDENCE:-50]
[VALUE:STOICISM:30]
[VALUE:KNOWLEDGE:-25]
[VALUE:INTROSPECTION:-25]
[VALUE:SELF_CONTROL:41]
[VALUE:TRANQUILITY:0]
[VALUE:HARMONY:50]
[VALUE:MERRIMENT:-41]
[VALUE:CRAFTSMANSHIP:15]
[VALUE:MARTIAL_PROWESS:11]Except for marksmanship.
[VALUE:SKILL:15]
[VALUE:HARD_WORK:41]
[VALUE:SACRIFICE:11]
[VALUE:COMPETITION:-11]
[VALUE:PERSEVERANCE:11]
[VALUE:LEISURE_TIME:-11]
[VALUE:COMMERCE:0]
[VALUE:ROMANCE:-11]
[VALUE:NATURE:0]
[VALUE:PEACE:-15]
[LOCAL_BANDITRY]
[BANDITRY:1]
[WILL_ACCEPT_TRIBUTE]
[POSITION:MONARCH]
[NAME:commander:commanders]
[NUMBER:1]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[SUCCESSION:BY_HEIR]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_GOALS]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[PRECEDENCE:1]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:LORD]
[NAME:officer:officers]
[SITE]
[LAND_HOLDER:3]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[SUCCESSION:BY_HEIR]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[PRECEDENCE:20]
[SPECIAL_BURIAL]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[COLOR:5:0:0]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:CONQUERLORD]
[NAME:occupation officer:occupation officers]
[CONQUERED_SITE]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[COLOR:5:0:0]
[PRECEDENCE:20]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MEET_WORKERS]
[POSITION:CAPTAIN_OF_THE_GUARD]
[NAME:lieutenant:lieutenants]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_ENFORCEMENT]
[RESPONSIBILITY:ATTACK_ENEMIES]
[RESPONSIBILITY:PATROL_TERRITORY]
[SQUAD:10:officer:officers]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[REQUIRES_POPULATION:50]
[PRECEDENCE:105]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:1:0:1]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL][SITE_VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_FORTIFICATIONS]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_TOMBS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:HAIR]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_HAIR_SHAPINGS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:SIDEBURNS]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_SIDEBURNS_SHAPINGS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:MOUSTACHE]
[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:NONE:100]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_MOUSTACHE_SHAPINGS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:BEARD]
[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:NONE:100]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_BEARD_SHAPINGS]
[STONE_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:POINT_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:TABLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:SINGLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:ROSE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:BRIOLETTE_CUT_GEM]
Code: [Select]
[ENTITY:VONG]
[INDIV_CONTROLLABLE]
[CREATURE:VONG]
[TRANSLATION:GOBLIN]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AMPHISTAFF]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AMPHISTAFFSPITTING]
[AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_VENOM]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_VONGBREASTPLATE:COMMON]
[GLOVES:ITEM_GLOVES_VONGGAUNTLETS:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_VONG_HELM:RARE]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_VONGBOOTS:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_VONGGREAVES:COMMON]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_COUFEE]
[CLOTHING]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:NAME_WAR]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:NAME_BATTLE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:NAME_SIEGE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:ROAD:NAME_ROAD]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:TUNNEL:NAME_TUNNEL]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BRIDGE:NAME_BRIDGE]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WALL:NAME_WALL] [SELECT_SYMBOL:TEMPLE:NAME_BUILDING_TEMPLE]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:LIBRARY:NAME_BUILDING_LIBRARY]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:NEGATOR]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:CIV:NAME_ENTITY_KINGDOM]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SITE:NAME_ENTITY_TOWN_FOUNDER]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:REMAINING:EVIL]
[RIVER_PRODUCTS]
[OCEAN_PRODUCTS]
[METAL_PREF]
[GEM_PREF]
[STONE_PREF] [OUTDOOR_WOOD]
[INDOOR_WOOD]
[INDOOR_FARMING]
[OUTDOOR_GARDENS]
[INDOOR_GARDENS]
[OUTDOOR_FARMING]
[INDOOR_ORCHARDS]
[OUTDOOR_ORCHARDS]
[USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:VONG]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:DROID]
[USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
[EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:WAR:512]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:NATURE:512]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:TORTURE:512]
[ITEM_THIEF]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:FANCIFUL:640]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:OWN_RACE:512]
[ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]
[UNDEAD_CANDIDATE]
[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
[LIKES_SITE:CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:TREE_CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[START_BIOME:ANY_FOREST]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:1]
[MERCHANT_NOBILITY]
[DIPLOMAT_BODYGUARDS]
[MERCHANT_BODYGUARDS]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:1]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE:0]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE:0]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:SUMMER]
[SIEGER]
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:100]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:10000]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:120]
[RELIGION:PANTHEON]
[WANDERER]
[BEAST_HUNTER]
[SCOUT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CARPENTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BOWYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ENGRAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MASON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_CARETAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_TRAINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HUNTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRAPPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FURNACE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAPONSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARMORER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BLACKSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:METALCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_CUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:STONECRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LEATHERWORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_CARVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLOTHIER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLASSMAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISHERMAN]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_CLEANER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CHEESE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SHEARER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SPINNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:COOK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:THRESHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILLER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BUTCHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TANNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PLANTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HERBALIST]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTASH_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LYE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOOD_BURNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MECHANIC]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_ENGINEER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PUMP_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLERK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ADMINISTRATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRADER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARCHITECT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DIAGNOSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SUTURER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SURGEON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLAZER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PRESSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BEEKEEPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WAX_WORKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RENDER_FAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_TALLOW]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MILL_SEEDS_NUTS_TO_PASTE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_BRICKS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_LARGE_CLAY_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_LARGE_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_CRAFT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_HIVE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_HONEYCOMB]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_WAX_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MEAD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_LAY_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLACK_BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STERLING_SILVER_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ROSE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PIG_IRON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STEEL_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE WOODEN DISPLAY CASE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:WALL]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:BRIDGE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:ROAD]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:MISGUIDED]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:MISGUIDED]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[VALUE:LAW:50]
[VALUE:LOYALTY:50]
[VALUE:FAMILY:25]
[VALUE:FRIENDSHIP:25]
[VALUE:POWER:50]
[VALUE:TRUTH:25]
[VALUE:CUNNING:0]
[VALUE:ELOQUENCE:0]
[VALUE:FAIRNESS:0]
[VALUE:DECORUM:25]
[VALUE:TRADITION:50]
[VALUE:ARTWORK:15]
[VALUE:COOPERATION:30]
[VALUE:INDEPENDENCE:-50]
[VALUE:STOICISM:30]
[VALUE:KNOWLEDGE:-41]
[VALUE:INTROSPECTION:-25]
[VALUE:SELF_CONTROL:41]
[VALUE:TRANQUILITY:0]
[VALUE:HARMONY:50]
[VALUE:MERRIMENT:0]
[VALUE:CRAFTSMANSHIP:-50]
[VALUE:MARTIAL_PROWESS:50].
[VALUE:SKILL:50]
[VALUE:HARD_WORK:50]
[VALUE:SACRIFICE:40]
[VALUE:COMPETITION:0]
[VALUE:PERSEVERANCE:35]
[VALUE:LEISURE_TIME:0]
[VALUE:COMMERCE:0]
[VALUE:ROMANCE:0]
[VALUE:NATURE:0]
[VALUE:PEACE:-41]
[LOCAL_BANDITRY]
[BANDITRY:1]
[WILL_ACCEPT_TRIBUTE]
[POSITION:MONARCH]
[NAME:supreme overlord:supreme overlords]
[NUMBER:1]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[SUCCESSION:BY_HEIR]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_GOALS]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[PRECEDENCE:1]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:LORD]
[NAME:commander:commanders]
[SITE]
[LAND_HOLDER:3]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[SUCCESSION:BY_HEIR]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[PRECEDENCE:20]
[SPECIAL_BURIAL]
[SLEEP_PRETENSION]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[COLOR:5:0:0]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:CONQUERLORD]
[NAME:commander:commanders]
[CONQUERED_SITE]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[COLOR:5:0:0]
[PRECEDENCE:20]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MEET_WORKERS]
[POSITION:HIGHPRIEST]Was originally shapers, but then I figured out the interaction.
[NAME:high priest:hight priests]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RELIGION]
[SUCCESSION:BY_POSITION:PRIEST]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[ELECTED]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[PRECEDENCE:15]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[COLOR:2:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:PRIEST]
[NAME:priest:priests]
[NUMBER:1]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[APPOINTED_BY:HIGHPRIEST]
[PRECEDENCE:100]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:2:0:0]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:CAPTAIN_OF_THE_GUARD]
[NAME:praetorite vong prefect:praetorite vong prefects]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_ENFORCEMENT] [RESPONSIBILITY:ATTACK_ENEMIES]
[RESPONSIBILITY:PATROL_TERRITORY]
[SQUAD:10:praetorite vong:praetorite vong]
[APPOINTED_BY:MONARCH]
[REQUIRES_POPULATION:50]
[PRECEDENCE:105]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[COLOR:1:0:1]
[ACCOUNT_EXEMPT]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL][SITE_VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL][SITE_VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_FORTIFICATIONS]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_TOMBS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:HAIR]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_HAIR_SHAPINGS]
[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:NONE:100]
[STONE_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:POINT_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:TABLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:SINGLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:ROSE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:BRIOLETTE_CUT_GEM]
Post by: Cyroth on January 06, 2018, 01:28:04 am
Back when all members of civs were explicitly modeled, it was possible to do this, but the changeover to abstract populations broke it. The game now appears to assume that all civilizations are capable of reproduction, resulting in the behavior you observed if they actually aren't.
I was not able to come up with a new scheme for assuring that a civ goes extinct.
If the pop limit tokens work again (those were also broken by the pop changeover) it's possible you can create a civ that has only one or a few sites, and is therefore PRONE to dying out during world gen (Lowering the Biome support values might also help this), but there would always be some chance of them surviving.
I believe you can make a civ that is essentially guaranteed to starve (make them agriculture-dependent and start in a biome where agriculture doesn't work), but I think that happens instantly, with no chance to create artifacts.
Carp, I was fearing that might be the case.
So simple and peaceful depopulation is off the table.
Lets see if I can make their civ so weak and repugnant that the other civs feel the need to murderize them the conventional way. Though that will bring with it the risk of survival. ::)
Post by: Enemy post on January 06, 2018, 01:35:23 am
Post by: Eric Blank on January 06, 2018, 01:32:57 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on January 07, 2018, 12:49:59 am
Code: [Select]
[TLCM_NOUN:wool:SINGULAR]
[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
[APP_MOD_NOUN:wool:SINGULAR]
[APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:300:0:0:NO_END]
[APP_MOD_DESC_RANGE:10:50:100:150:200:300]
[SHEARABLE_TISSUE_LAYER:LENGTH:300]Any creature w/ an insulation token will drop fur, if it's large enough, though aside from the aforementioned, they didn't get the above sequence. Being able to drop fur makes trapping kind of a thing your character can do now.
Post by: Enemy post on January 07, 2018, 04:00:43 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 07, 2018, 07:19:05 pm
Post by: ZM5 on January 08, 2018, 03:52:31 am
I've got most of the update for Last Jedi done. I just need to make the new sentient aliens and solve a new issue. I found that rakghouls (werewolf/zombie things from KOTOR) are working again, but their descriptions sometimes crash the game. I've tried to fix them, but I think I'm just going to toss them out and redo them based on some extracted werebeasts I downloaded somewhere.Do they have body colour descriptors and the like? I think thats what causes the crashes - I removed them from my Nosferatu and the lesser sin incarnations and they don't crash anymore when looking at the description.
Post by: Enemy post on January 08, 2018, 02:29:21 pm
*The descriptions seem to work, but I still get crashes sometimes on large worlds with long histories. I've removed my "shaper" necromancers for lore reasons. The new pet rules can do their job better, and I never liked them anyway.
**This is frustrating. I got a large world to work. Large worlds had started to crash regularly, but removing the rakghoul's size variances seems to have maybe cured that. However, some rakghoul's descriptions still crash the game. Not all of them, just some of them. Does anyone see what the problem is with these?
Code: (Creature) [Select]
[CREATURE:RAKGHOUL_EP]Thanks to Meph for the procedural creatures.
[NAME:rakghoul:rakghouls:rakghoul]
[CASTE_NAME:rakghoul:rakghouls:rakghouls]
[ATTACK_TRIGGER:20:0:0]
[NIGHT_CREATURE_HUNTER]
[EXTRAVISION]
[NO_GENDER]
[BONECARN]
[CRAZED]
[DIFFICULTY:1]
[LAIR:SIMPLE_BURROW:50]
[LARGE_PREDATOR]
[EVIL]
[SUPERNATURAL]
[FANCIFUL]
[AMPHIBIOUS]
[PETVALUE:2000]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:20]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[SWIMS_INNATE]
[SPHERE:DARKNESS]
[SPHERE:DISEASE]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:70000]
[CREATURE_TILE:'&']
[BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:3FINGERS:3TOES:MOUTH:TONGUE:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:CLAW:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:CLAW:CLAW_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:CLAW:FRONT]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:CLAW:FRONT]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[HOMEOTHERM:10040]
[NO_UNIT_TYPE_COLOR]
[COLOR:0:0:1]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON][CREATURE_CLASS:FORCE]
[ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:CLAW]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[SPECIALATTACK_INTERACTION:RAKPLAGUE]
[ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
[SPECIALATTACK_INTERACTION:RAKPLAGUE]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph, NO DATA
[DESCRIPTION:Rakghouls are a type of Sith-spawned mutants, engineered by the Sith Lord Karness Muur. Hideous and possessing an appetite for flesh, Rakghouls are non-sentient, and are most commonly simple and animalistic in their behavior, with some even referring to the creatures as "mindless". They carry the "rakghoul plague", a virus-like disease which can be spread from a rakghoul's bite or scratch. Individuals infected with this disease become rakghouls.]
Code: (Interaction) [Select]
[INTERACTION:RAKPLAGUE]
[I_SOURCE:ATTACK]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: infected ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2:, passing on the rakghoul plague]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_REQUIRES:CAN_LEARN]
[IT_REQUIRES:HAS_BLOOD]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:NOT_LIVING]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:SUPERNATURAL]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:RAKGHOUL]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:WERECURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:VAMPCURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:DISTURBANCE_CURSE]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_CLASS:RAKGHOUL]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:20800]
[CE:CREATURE:RAKGHOUL_EP:DEFAULT]
[INTERACTION:MUUR]
[I_SOURCE:DEITY]
[IS_USAGE_HINT:MAJOR_CURSE]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: cursed ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2: to become a rakghoul]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_REQUIRES:CAN_LEARN]
[IT_REQUIRES:HAS_BLOOD]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:NOT_LIVING]
[IT_FORBIDDEN:SUPERNATURAL]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:RAKGHOUL]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:WERECURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:VAMPCURSE]
[IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:DISTURBANCE_CURSE]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[IE_ARENA_NAME:Rakghoul]
[SYN_CLASS:RAKGHOUL]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:RAKGHOUL_EP:DEFAULT]
Looking at them now, I noticed that the requirements to get infected are inconsistent. Maybe that's it, I'll dig deeper.
***Changed that. Many work, but still not all of them.
****Now I removed their small tails and all the rakghouls in a 1050 year pocket world seem to work. Hm. I also added almost all the sentients. Along the way, I realized a good way to filter Legends mode to monsters and kills is to search " the " with spaces on either side. It gets all the titled creatures.
*****Arg. I found one that crashed the game. Updated the creature here to reflect changes.
******So, a large world crashed even with rakghouls eliminated completely. Is there a tool to scan for duped raws?
Post by: TomiTapio on January 09, 2018, 06:04:56 am
******So, a large world crashed even with rakghouls eliminated completely. Is there a tool to scan for duped raws?I would remove all single quotes and double quotes from their descriptions. Just for safety.
WinMerge code comparison tool to compare X weeks ago version raws to current version, spots large changes easily.
At http://winmerge.org/downloads/?lang=en
I worked on skill learning rates yesterday. Dwarves worse at poetry and dancing than humans and elves.
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Post by: Enemy post on January 09, 2018, 12:47:01 pm
******So, a large world crashed even with rakghouls eliminated completely. Is there a tool to scan for duped raws?I would remove all single quotes and double quotes from their descriptions. Just for safety.
WinMerge code comparison tool to compare X weeks ago version raws to current version, spots large changes easily.
At http://winmerge.org/downloads/?lang=en
Can WinMerge read the insides of the files? I was looking for a tool that scans raws the same way as Dwarf Fortress, but then reports on duplicate entries and castes within creatures.
Got an Impoverished Word Selector error on one of the crashes. I wonder if that's the answer.
Post by: Dunmeris on January 09, 2018, 12:54:34 pm
May God have mercy on my soul.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on January 09, 2018, 01:30:56 pm
However I'm not sure how many a civ will accept? I know sometimes you have to use the FORCED option but even at that they seem to only accept oh so many types per civ (unless i'm wrong I remember someone trying to give all vanilla items/clothes to an entity even using FORCED but some still "dropped" off the list aka became foreign
Post by: TomiTapio on January 09, 2018, 02:00:37 pm
Screenshot:
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Post by: Enemy post on January 09, 2018, 04:18:28 pm
Post by: Novaris on January 10, 2018, 11:14:15 am
I'm now trying to come up with "high elves" that are stronger and survive longer :D
Post by: Enemy post on January 10, 2018, 12:34:17 pm
Post by: Dunmeris on January 10, 2018, 01:17:57 pm
best way would be to make some lists of the combos, and then create a quick app to read those lists and build all your surcoats/shields from some templates you design.
However I'm not sure how many a civ will accept? I know sometimes you have to use the FORCED option but even at that they seem to only accept oh so many types per civ (unless i'm wrong I remember someone trying to give all vanilla items/clothes to an entity even using FORCED but some still "dropped" off the list aka became foreign
Thanks, that does sound quicker. I guess this'll also be a bit of science.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on January 10, 2018, 03:04:17 pm
best way would be to make some lists of the combos, and then create a quick app to read those lists and build all your surcoats/shields from some templates you design.
However I'm not sure how many a civ will accept? I know sometimes you have to use the FORCED option but even at that they seem to only accept oh so many types per civ (unless i'm wrong I remember someone trying to give all vanilla items/clothes to an entity even using FORCED but some still "dropped" off the list aka became foreign
Thanks, that does sound quicker. I guess this'll also be a bit of science.
Also you might not need to use the more common/mainstream coding langs to make this, you could probably make a powershell script to read from text files for the lists and templates and output. Depends on what works best for you, I just fire up Visual Studio and just make a quick crap GUI with a windows form app, or some console app in Java with Eclipse
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 10, 2018, 05:43:03 pm
Also was happy to receive a visit from the law-maker of the minotaurs at my wild dwarf fortress. They don't trade right now, so I was wondering if 'no trade' civs would send diplomats.
The law-maker remarked on what a nice fortress I had, shared some news, then made a beeline for my artifact display pedestals. Um...not at all suspicious...
He hung out at the statue garden for a while (apparently transfixed by our masterful statue of a cringing minotaur being struck down by a giant hyena) then went home.
Hopefully next time we meet he won't be at the head of an army demanding my stuff...
Post by: ZM5 on January 10, 2018, 06:04:06 pm
Simultaneous human and dark elf invasion proves what Toady said in fotf just before release, active_season no longer dictates invasion season. That's great, means my dwarves can be invaded by minotaurs at any time without subjecting the wild dwarf civs to caravan spam every season from their bull-headed buddies.Oh man, I'm glad to hear that, along with the ITEM_THIEF civs no longer having the issue of their goods being counted as stolen when traded away.
This gives me some ideas for more playable fort mode races, that belong to one of the other factions instead.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 10, 2018, 10:12:01 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on January 11, 2018, 04:15:11 pm
I'm now trying to come up with "high elves" that are stronger and survive longer :DAdding natural_skill to them? Or better physical and mental attributes? Or perhaps learn combat skills 15 times faster?
Post by: Novaris on January 12, 2018, 05:17:54 am
Post by: ZM5 on January 12, 2018, 06:10:13 pm
For the latter I think a gimmick of making metal gears, cogs and other such stuff for combining with weapons to make stronger, mechanical ones could be good - steam-pistols, mechano-crossbows with higher velocity shots plus specialized ammo, buzz-swords, saw-spears that cut through stuff easily, etc.
Post by: Dunmeris on January 15, 2018, 07:51:35 pm
But at the same time a full deep roughly historically based alchemy system with potions and recipes and the ability to eventually create a philosopher's stone would be so fucking cool but I just don't fucking want to continue working at it.
Is this what real modders feel like when they're making big supermods?
Post by: ZM5 on January 16, 2018, 06:00:34 am
Post by: Enemy post on January 16, 2018, 01:31:35 pm
*Try listening to music while you work.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 17, 2018, 06:27:49 am
That's great because they hardly ever attack other sites in worldgen. I'm just over the hills from a city of over 10,000 of the nasty little beasts. Thought they might make a good raid target.
Siege trigger of 1 means I'm totally unprepared. Let's see how much damage they can do... :)
Post by: Enemy post on January 17, 2018, 01:37:43 pm
Post by: ZM5 on January 17, 2018, 02:23:55 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 19, 2018, 11:14:42 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/z5nJtCS.png)
Turns out the trick is to hit the throat and crush it.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 19, 2018, 11:36:45 pm
I'd thought I'd seen everything the combat system has to offer, but I've never beaten someone to death with their own vomit before.Ah, the old 'vomit to the throat' attack. You need to pick out a good solid chunk for that to work.
(https://i.imgur.com/z5nJtCS.png)
Turns out the trick is to hit the throat and crush it.
Post by: TD1 on January 20, 2018, 02:12:18 am
Post by: iceball3 on January 24, 2018, 10:41:38 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173888543419006976/405850168575918080/unknown.png)
Work in progress. Trying to find a way to make dwarves more consistently miserable.
Post by: overseer05-15 on January 25, 2018, 12:26:15 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 25, 2018, 01:38:23 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 25, 2018, 04:00:55 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 26, 2018, 01:07:45 am
Post by: TomiTapio on January 30, 2018, 05:34:40 am
after two fights and 6 deaths only 5 of 20 dorfs are Aaaaagh Damn! stressed.
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Post by: ZM5 on January 30, 2018, 06:07:09 am
(https://puu.sh/zbsg1/bfe5d3e914.png)
(https://puu.sh/zbsfI/1ee237d3d7.png)
It was a mistake.
Post by: Enemy post on January 30, 2018, 06:12:27 pm
Anyway, I've finished the Combine's various vehicles and pets. Got to stop working for today, but the Combine themselves shouldn't take too long. I've been reconsidering what to do with the Resistance and Black Mesa. I think I won't make either playable in Fortress mode. I don't think I could really make it worthwhile. However, Black Mesa scientists showing up as traders to sell player fortresses Xen monsters as pets sounds fun.
Post by: ZM5 on January 31, 2018, 05:42:03 am
Meanwhile the Seraphim are intelligent and somewhat humanoid - they have a torso with four arms (each of which has retractable blades), four wings, and several tentacles (which all have eyeballs on them) coming out of its back and where its legs would be.
There's also Cherubim which are just floating heads with four wings and seven tentacles - five coming out of the back, two coming out of its eye sockets. They're more like support units that buff the other angels.
All of them have metallic heads with unmoving mask-like faces - depending on their element, they have a different motif. These holy ones have human-like faces, albeit with jaws that unhinge extremely widely and which have needle-like metal teeth. Other elemental ones will appear more like animals.
Post by: peasant cretin on February 03, 2018, 04:10:47 pm
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Something speculative: was thinking about the entry for subterranean animal people in entity.txt & that that might be a good way to have roaming NPCs spawn with equipment. Pretty much a deconstructed way of making various melee/range units with different levels of skill. Has anyone done something like this?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 03, 2018, 04:45:26 pm
Even without a military, a tavern full of violent civilians seems to be able to cope with a small attack (as in, some survive until the last of the little folk limp away). Although everyone outside will be picked off by their archers. So I think that's fairly reasonable.
Will hopefully get to test if the putrid seawater leaking from their wounds can drive my minotaur dancers beserk. The smallest and largest of the 'unnatural' races in my game share a curious, volatile relationship. There's lore in there somewhere. :)
Post by: Enemy post on February 05, 2018, 12:41:30 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 05, 2018, 06:28:15 pm
New ent-type creature too, a walking ginkgo tree. It will actually die if kept underground for more than 10-14 days thanks to a neat cave adaptation triggered syndrome. Very proud of that. Butcher them for their wood, love them for no reason theyre kinda useless. Born as adults though. Makes breeding them easy, but only found in good biomes. Trying to come up with something even more useful for them, but cant for the life of me.
Post by: overseer05-15 on February 05, 2018, 07:40:32 pm
Some new plants coming along, with neat syndromes for them. Magic alchemical ingredients.
New ent-type creature too, a walking ginkgo tree. It will actually die if kept underground for more than 10-14 days thanks to a neat cave adaptation triggered syndrome. Very proud of that. Butcher them for their wood, love them for no reason theyre kinda useless. Born as adults though. Makes breeding them easy, but only found in good biomes. Trying to come up with something even more useful for them, but cant for the life of me.
You could 'milk' them for a possibly valuable sap to turn ingto syrup
Post by: TomiTapio on February 06, 2018, 07:25:07 am
New ent-type creature too, a walking ginkgo tree. It will actually die if kept underground for more than 10-14 days thanks to a neat cave adaptation triggered syndrome. Very proud of that. Butcher them for their wood, love them for no reason theyre kinda useless. Born as adults though. Makes breeding them easy, but only found in good biomes. Trying to come up with something even more useful for them, but cant for the life of me.Care to share the dies-if-kept-underground syndrome?
*reads cave_adapt page* Is it dfhack-dependant?
Post by: ZM5 on February 06, 2018, 09:10:26 am
Got the Twilight's Hammer cult left to do afterwards though, which may be a tad more difficult. Still, once thats done I can do more concept art-only stuff along with some Dragon's Dogma creatures that I haven't made before since they were incorporeal.
Post by: bloop_bleep on February 06, 2018, 06:59:52 pm
New ent-type creature too, a walking ginkgo tree. It will actually die if kept underground for more than 10-14 days thanks to a neat cave adaptation triggered syndrome. Very proud of that. Butcher them for their wood, love them for no reason theyre kinda useless. Born as adults though. Makes breeding them easy, but only found in good biomes. Trying to come up with something even more useful for them, but cant for the life of me.Care to share the dies-if-kept-underground syndrome?
*reads cave_adapt page* Is it dfhack-dependant?
Probably not. There's a [CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER] syndrome token which can make syndrome effects only apply when the specified counter is in a certain range. There's a variety of counters, including cave adaption, time since last alcoholic drink, time until creature can be milked again, etc. etc. Read the syndrome page (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome#Counter_Triggers) on the wiki for more details.
Post by: Warlord255 on February 11, 2018, 07:06:44 am
Unicorns now drop an exploding "glitter" item when butchered, briefly transforming those nearby into a "revitalized creature" and back again. This has the effect of regenerating all lost limbs and injuries.
Unicorns also resurrect themselves from death once a week, and when they come back, they tend to be pissed.
For extra hilarity, I gave good-aligned grasses (Downy Grass and Bubble Bulb) a SYN_INGESTED syndrome to affect horse-like grazers and turn them into unicorns sometimes.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 11, 2018, 02:52:09 pm
Need to get some relatively rarely occurring thing to cause annoy irritate disgust glumness shame displeasure. Because neighbor dies is 20 stress and use_tavern is -300 stress.
Post by: overseer05-15 on February 13, 2018, 12:06:13 am
Sweat, tears, blood causing negative emotions: turned out to be a disaster, no social skill gains ever. Not even on arriving migrants.
Need to get some relatively rarely occurring thing to cause annoy irritate disgust glumness shame displeasure. Because neighbor dies is 20 stress and use_tavern is -300 stress.
Blood might've been too excessive, and maybe sweat too. Just tears might be better.
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 13, 2018, 12:30:23 am
Post by: TomiTapio on February 13, 2018, 02:42:55 pm
Just guessing, but wouldn't tears causing negative emotions result in an endless chain reaction?Yeah but even forever_tears wouldn't drive them to high stress and tantrums. Damn bards are too effective poeming.
Might be better to have "3% chance of causing super severe, short duration emotion" than 100% chance mild long.
Post by: scourge728 on February 13, 2018, 05:40:30 pm
Just finished a nice little mini-mod and completed testing!
Unicorns now drop an exploding "glitter" item when butchered, briefly transforming those nearby into a "revitalized creature" and back again. This has the effect of regenerating all lost limbs and injuries.
Unicorns also resurrect themselves from death once a week, and when they come back, they tend to be pissed.
For extra hilarity, I gave good-aligned grasses (Downy Grass and Bubble Bulb) a SYN_INGESTED syndrome to affect horse-like grazers and turn them into unicorns sometimes.
What happens if a tamed animal turns into a unicorn?
Post by: bloop_bleep on February 14, 2018, 03:24:41 am
And no, it still isn't working now. I have to solve another problem that involves Perl somehow losing one of its core modules. How the hell that's even possible, I simply don't know.
However, I have begun to write some plugins anyway by reading the wiki and reverse engineering the plugins included with DFHack. Though it's still going to be pretty long before I can start testing them normally, unfortunately.
Post by: Warlord255 on February 14, 2018, 11:23:23 am
Just finished a nice little mini-mod and completed testing!
Unicorns now drop an exploding "glitter" item when butchered, briefly transforming those nearby into a "revitalized creature" and back again. This has the effect of regenerating all lost limbs and injuries.
Unicorns also resurrect themselves from death once a week, and when they come back, they tend to be pissed.
For extra hilarity, I gave good-aligned grasses (Downy Grass and Bubble Bulb) a SYN_INGESTED syndrome to affect horse-like grazers and turn them into unicorns sometimes.
What happens if a tamed animal turns into a unicorn?
I'll get back to you on that...
Here's the relevant code that gives Unicorns an exploding gizzard:
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It seems to work *sometimes*, but not always. Don't know if it's an arena weirdness, but sometimes the glitter stone won't vaporize. Maybe need to turn the temperature up. More frustrating, sometimes when it does melt, it doesn't apply the transformation syndrome ("revitalized" is just a slade gabbro-man for toggling to get the regeneration effect.")
I'm also having trouble testing the ressurection interaction because i can't get my test-dwarf to cast it correctly... the work continues.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 16, 2018, 06:20:52 pm
Not sure that I don't like it though. Image of hobbits sneaking out as the fortress collapses around them grabbing whatever they can get their hands on is kind of nice.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 17, 2018, 08:52:35 am
I'm thinking dwarves contain dwarfblood, other civilised races have peopleblood, beasts and animals have the regular vanilla blood.
Then add unhappy-emotions syndromes, on skin contact, to all blooood except dwarfblood.
I want more stress numbers on my OldGenesis dwarves. It did _not_ work out fine when existed only one type of blood, and it had unhappy thoughts. Dwarves were unable to gain any social skills.
Post by: Enemy post on February 21, 2018, 11:17:55 pm
There's about 40 new creatures in there with 5 civs, I did almost all of them besides Race X.
I had an idea while making these. With this mod (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=133300986) for Gmod, Doom and Half Life characters can be brought together in basically their original form. Sometime, I should set up some fights between my Half Life creatures and ZM5's Doom ones. After that, I could run the originals against each other and see how close the results are between the games. If ZM5 doesn't mind, of course.
Post by: ZM5 on February 22, 2018, 04:43:55 am
Post by: peasant cretin on February 22, 2018, 09:54:23 pm
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Was also going to add in weapon using sapients, but it seems the only way would be to given them an entity entry like subterranean animal people and/or bandit them 100%. Not sure if I really like how it's been working.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 22, 2018, 11:59:45 pm
Looks like next release will see me laugh as I burn down tribal lizard-folk villages (and steal their iguanas) while training my thieves on hobbit villages (good source of unicorn cheese) until they're at a mastery of stealth level required for raiding Dark Elf sites and stealing their giant mambas. Their massively populated sites will be far too dangerous for even 200 fearsome dorfs to take on in battle and that's my pop limit. All the while I can train my dorf warriors (or their merc
So, hmmm. No, not much going on in my modding right now. Just anticipation.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 23, 2018, 09:19:04 am
Ok now my in-progress version of OldGenesis has 4 alcohols: honeymead-type(good stuff), regular plant-type, lousy plant-type(no positive feelings), fine plant-type. Down with carrot wine!
Here's fine's syndrome:
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Post by: Warlord255 on February 23, 2018, 02:03:16 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 24, 2018, 03:39:15 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 28, 2018, 07:03:33 am
They're not exactly op, but the current attack consists of 46 lizard-person spearmen, 43 lizard-person bowmen, 26 giant iguanas, 24 giant lizards, 26 giant chameleons and 20 beakdogs. I've got 20 cage traps and a 10 man rookie military armed with a shield each (had issues finding metal...).
Ah well. Exciting way to lose a fortress. Think I'll keep these guys as skulkers. They can still siege when provoked by dwarves nicking their chameleons.
Post by: Warlord255 on February 28, 2018, 10:22:10 am
On the bright side, gun-axe fabrication is finally fixed! I had some issues with syntax that was causing the game to spit out random steel weapons instead of the desired steel gun-axe. That might prove useful for a "produce random weapon" reaction - it'd be interesting to see if it started generating foreign weapons that way.
EDIT: Duplicating both a material template and a material seems to have worked. Rock salt bullets can be equipped by marksdwarves if you scroll past the surfeit of divine metals (is there a way to hide those?...) and fired normally. I'm curious to try adding cloth slings, but to make them work I'd have to make a single "sling stone" material for all stone to convert to, which kills the fun of David-and-Goliath-ing somebody with a piece of microcline or feldspar.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 28, 2018, 10:56:19 am
[PRODUCT:2:1:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:FIREWOOD:WOOD] --fire accident chance
plant & material from Warlord255's Bonfire-mod:
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Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on February 28, 2018, 03:50:15 pm
ZM5 found that you can make an INORGANIC and slap a [SPECIAL] tag on it to stop RNG and trading but not have it be spires or circus flooring
Post by: Eric Blank on February 28, 2018, 07:11:54 pm
Post by: bloop_bleep on February 28, 2018, 07:52:48 pm
notepad++ crashed and took the entire contents of a file with it, wiping out the creatures I had been working on. Damnit.Programming has taught me to compulsively save whichever file I'm working on every ten seconds. It's a good habit to learn.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 01, 2018, 02:28:45 am
Post by: Enemy post on March 01, 2018, 03:17:54 am
Post by: bloop_bleep on March 01, 2018, 03:46:14 am
You could try to use a version control system like Git to prevent things like this in the future; or, if you're already using one, make more frequent commits to it. I usually commit whenever I get any significant chunk of work done, sometimes multiple times per day.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 01, 2018, 01:10:22 pm
Anyway, made a syndrome/interaction to summon demons now, so thats cool. Also some huge rat critters that make way too much milk. Thinking of making a critter of almost exclusively bones, teeth and shells for crafts production
Ooh, i wonder if i can make a creature that loses a body part every so often that provides these bones. Or maybe it can just lay an "egg" you can process. That would be neat
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on March 01, 2018, 03:32:50 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 01, 2018, 03:39:53 pm
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on March 01, 2018, 03:53:21 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on March 02, 2018, 11:57:12 am
Thinking of making a critter of almost exclusively bones, teeth and shells for crafts productionBone Golem made by the ancients, that wanders in the caves? Throws bones at foes, via material emission something
Ooh, i wonder if i can make a creature that loses a body part every so often that provides these bones. Or maybe it can just lay an "egg" you can process. That would be neat
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Post by: Eric Blank on March 02, 2018, 12:45:40 pm
Post by: bloop_bleep on March 02, 2018, 07:56:43 pm
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on March 02, 2018, 08:55:55 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on March 05, 2018, 09:41:32 pm
Also, having dozens of 1-2 copy cave-bandit civs has made my worlds MUCH more colorful.
Post by: bloop_bleep on March 07, 2018, 02:36:39 am
I have several options with continuing:
- Make spells be made in batches, so that the player can just try the spell again if it doesn't work the first time.
- Make the spells melt instead of evaporate when they reach a creature. I've tried this in arena and it doesn't seem to work (the spells just disappear when they hit the target, even though they are still listed in df.global.world.items.all and don't have all their coordinates set to -30000. Anyone know what's up with that?)
- Water it down to just an alchemy mod. I've already thought up several ideas for alchemical machines -- their corpses would be created using a reaction, which can be reanimated either by the character in Adventure Mode or an "alchemical activator" in Fortress Mode.
What do y'all think?
Post by: Gigabytebob on March 07, 2018, 02:47:18 am
Post by: Rumrusher on March 10, 2018, 05:39:50 pm
so kinda found out what happens when you add an Animal_classes: General_poison to a entity,
you get access to the pre-generated races. still no signs of bogeymen though, so I might need to look into their raws to see any common animal Class traits. but it's possible to embark with say angels, and forgottenbeasts then have another fort deal with those beasts lurking about your place.
in a extremely weird but glad for it state the animal always mount means any time you embark you could get a Random Critter that pulls the wagon.
gonna try to see if it possible to get this embark list to work on adventurers so you get to play as any of the randomly generated beasts.
sadly the war dragons all seem to be 10001 points so you can't just get 2 of them with out figuring out a way around the hard cap on embark points.
Post by: scourge728 on March 10, 2018, 05:54:05 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on March 10, 2018, 06:49:16 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 10, 2018, 06:58:02 pm
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on March 10, 2018, 11:15:06 pm
so kinda found out what happens when you add an Animal_classes: General_poison to a entity,
you get access to the pre-generated races. still no signs of bogeymen though, so I might need to look into their raws to see any common animal Class traits. but it's possible to embark with say angels, and forgottenbeasts then have another fort deal with those beasts lurking about your place.
You can get access to generated beasties without DFHack or a hex-editor? Mahahaha. Amazing.
If nothing else, I suppose it would be good for an eldritch, let's-eat-reality-for-breakfast type civ. Though you'd have to exclude every raw-defined creature, which would be a pain no matter how you do it.
Having used the aforementioned hex-editor method, I can say that bogeymen are no great shucks outside of night ambushes. Although I do love that idea you had with gnomes riding them into battle (or was it bogeyman on cats?)
Post by: Warlord255 on March 12, 2018, 12:52:10 pm
More frustrating, I've given them Giant Earthworms (with the requisite [PACK_ANIMAL] and [WAGON_PULLER]) using the entity ANIMAL tags, including [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT]. But I get very spotty coverage, as some embark sites say "No Trade", but others work fine. Unsure what the cause is - perhaps biome related? A duplicate "Pack Worm" with all biomes enabled might be the solution.
I also tried to give my Leech Men permanent vampire vision, but I discovered that SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS only seems to work when granted by a syndrome, and only works with GENERAL_POISON. I've added it as a symptom of a "drinking blood" syndrome on the material template, exclusive to CREATURE_CLASS:BLOOD_DRINKER.
Post by: Enemy post on March 12, 2018, 01:13:34 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2018, 02:49:15 pm
Found out you can literally buy the workers and soldiers too, though on embark theyre not treated as pets but regular citizens. This allows you to embark with a population of hundreds or even thousands, though they wont have any labors set or any skills whatsoever.
Also made a primitive tribes civ living in caves too that can be any of a multitude of races. Cant make any sort of mechanical components and sometimes they dont even have copper or silver for equipment, but its pretty neat anyway
Post by: Warlord255 on March 12, 2018, 03:12:50 pm
I just added TRADE_CAPACITY:2000, copied from Mules, but still have the same issues with spotty coverage. Will attempt a clone creature with no biome restrictions next.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2018, 03:51:49 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on March 12, 2018, 05:35:18 pm
You could add the creature to the entity in question as an always_present always_pack pet, and you wouldnt have to worry about biomes anymore
Tried that. No dice. Substituted in Mules as the always-creature and it seems to work perfectly, so I'll try mutating a mule into something bug-shaped until it works.
Maybe I'm just thinking too narrow, though. Why not pack-frogs? We'll see.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2018, 05:49:25 pm
Post by: bloop_bleep on March 12, 2018, 05:52:03 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2018, 06:16:01 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on March 12, 2018, 06:59:08 pm
But if something like that was the case, then the creature would be invalid in every world/civ, not just some of them, unless he was messing with the raws again before generating a world.
To clarify, the "No trade" message pops up randomly within a given world. Some areas are clear to trade, some aren't. Since it's not based consistently on latitude, I don't think they're being frozen out, so maybe it's just proximity to a village that can sustain the creatures. I just tried a cloned worm with no biome restrictions and it still had spotty behavior
Here are the entity raws in their entirety. It could be animal-handling related, but that still doesn't account for why it works in some regions and not others.
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And here is the modified Giant Earthworm:
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On the Leech Men front, the puzzle deepens. I realized Leech Men have no eyes, and also have EXTRAVISION - so I suspected one of those was the culprit. Sure enough, pasting SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS on a Dwarf let him see through walls, but no luck for the Leech Man - even after removing Extravision, and then again after adding eyes. Worse still, I added it to Mosquito Men and it also failed! Pasting it onto a Rat Man worked fine. Maybe something in the materials for mollusc/insects is an issue?...
Regardless, SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS works correctly when they acquire it via syndrome. Very strange.
EDIT: Looks like I got it to work this time. Turns out you need either [PET] or [PET_EXOTIC] in combination with the rest to make it work.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 13, 2018, 01:00:08 pm
I spent last night tweaking the antman civ and revelling in the knowledge i could literally buy more workers off the caravans. Which are kinda lame wince they dont have wagons, but whatever. I gave them the reactions to build the same axe adventurers have access to, in case they lack metals to make weapons.
Post by: Warlord255 on March 15, 2018, 12:10:31 am
Yet another bug rears its head. I copied some stuff from Corrosion and made necessary adjustments, but now I'm finding it's not working correctly...
Bullet making reaction:
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A relevant stone;
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I have all the pieces, but the reaction is still invalid because I lack a GUN-class stone.
For comparison, steel-making reaction:
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And a flux stone:
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As far as I can tell the formatting is correct, so do custom REACTION_CLASS entries not work?
I ask because I've imported enough steel to start building guns, and I'm eager to test the new "weapons matter" code against the cheetah men who cost me ten dwarves this spring...
Post by: TomiTapio on March 15, 2018, 02:43:48 pm
" [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] --new with 0.42.01: wild creature can join a civilization. "
It's nice on yeti, sasquatch, goblin adventurer, wandering monk human.
Post by: Warlord255 on March 16, 2018, 04:21:44 pm
Turns out LAYS_UNUSUAL_EGGS works for both genders if it's not caste-level. Tested this on dogs to see if it'd work as a byproduct for my Mule Worms, so now they have [LAYS_UNUSUAL_EGGS:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:FIRE_CLAY]. I only have anecdotal forum evidence for this not interfering with reproduction, so a longer-term fort test will be necessary.
Edit: ARRRRGH. Muleworms/packbugs are failing to give full coverage again. Man, this is vexing!
Post by: Rumrusher on March 18, 2018, 02:15:46 am
so kinda found out what happens when you add an Animal_classes: General_poison to a entity,
you get access to the pre-generated races. still no signs of bogeymen though, so I might need to look into their raws to see any common animal Class traits. but it's possible to embark with say angels, and forgottenbeasts then have another fort deal with those beasts lurking about your place.
You can get access to generated beasties without DFHack or a hex-editor? Mahahaha. Amazing.
If nothing else, I suppose it would be good for an eldritch, let's-eat-reality-for-breakfast type civ. Though you'd have to exclude every raw-defined creature, which would be a pain no matter how you do it.
Having used the aforementioned hex-editor method, I can say that bogeymen are no great shucks outside of night ambushes. Although I do love that idea you had with gnomes riding them into battle (or was it bogeyman on cats?)
Bogeymen on flufflywamblers due to their Size being 1:2
though with the whole animal mount and pack animal tokens my set up has it where you can embark and randomly get any type of creature, so you could end up with animalmen pulling a wagon, or becoming merchant pack animals for hauling your trades.
Post by: TomiTapio on March 20, 2018, 07:49:04 am
Yess!
" Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith has slipped into depression...
Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith cancels Drink: Too depressed. "
Fine-tuning for the win! Have migrant social skills AND a few mighty-stressed dwarves! (blood stain annoyance syndrome)
" `Led stressed', Beekeeper has been found dead, contorted in fear! " yess
Post by: Eric Blank on March 20, 2018, 11:30:44 am
Post by: Warlord255 on March 20, 2018, 05:26:32 pm
in my modding... there is good success today:
Yess!
" Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith has slipped into depression...
Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith cancels Drink: Too depressed. "
Fine-tuning for the win! Have migrant social skills AND a few mighty-stressed dwarves! (blood stain annoyance syndrome)
" `Led stressed', Beekeeper has been found dead, contorted in fear! " yess
Oh, please share that if you'd be so kind! I'm going to do some tests to see if I can get multiple syndromes working for blood and a stain-stress mechanic would be perfect.
Post by: TomiTapio on March 20, 2018, 07:24:19 pm
ICHOR : thanks to Iceball3 for syndrome.
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SWEAT:
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I have split blood into three:
- dwarf blood (or whatever fort civ you have) : no syndrome
- people blood
- animal and beast blood
You can try moddding your everyone-blood with the following syndrome:
Code: [Select]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:blood stains] --animal blood, medium syndrome for dwarves.
[SYN_IDENTIFIER:GROSS_BLOOD_COVER]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
--SYN_INJECTED]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:NERVOUSNESS:SEV:65:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:UNEASINESS:SEV:45:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
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If the everyone-blood causes zero social skills on migrants, then you gotta separate dwarf blood from all other blood and have no syndrome on dwarf blood.
Note: don't add glumness to TEARS because causes forever-tears loop. I have no syndrome on tears now.
Note: too long duration (over 180) might stop all social skills learning. Not sure. I better reduce my sweat_syndrome duration now.
You got stressed ghosts too huh?I guess a mega-stressed (230k) dwarf met a ghost and got a heart attack, hecking rare
Post by: Enemy post on March 20, 2018, 10:47:00 pm
With this mod (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=133300986) for Gmod, Doom and Half Life characters can be brought together in basically their original form. Sometime, I should set up some fights between my Half Life creatures and ZM5's Doom ones. After that, I could run the originals against each other and see how close the results are between the games. If ZM5 doesn't mind, of course.
Wouldn't mind seeing the results, think it'd be a pretty fun experiment.
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the Doom V Half Life gladiatorial showdown! I will do whatever combinations seem appealing, and then run the same fights in both games to see how it turns out.
Set One:Zombiemen vs Headcrab Zombies
First off, we have 10 zombiemen vs 10 headcrab zombies. In ZM5's mod, the zombiemen have the equipment of Dwarf Fortress humans. I gave them crossbows and iron armor.
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Not going to do extra rounds for Gmod fights. I found that the relatively more restrictive combat system meant that if a fight ended in a certain way, it was likely to end up the same way every time.
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Set Two:Pinkies vs Antlions
These fights are packs of 10, again.
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Set Three:Lost Souls vs Manhacks
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Set Four:Hell Knights vs Bullsquids
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Set Five:Arachnotrons vs Hunters
All fights here are 10 vs 10.
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Set Six:Imps vs Headcrabs
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Set Seven:Revenants vs HECU marines.
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Set Eight:Cacodemons vs Combine soldiers.
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Set Nine:Spider Mastermind vs Gargantua.
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Final Set:Cyberdemon vs Strider.
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Post by: ZM5 on March 21, 2018, 02:06:09 am
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Eventually the HECU were reduced to a sole survivor. He accidentally killed himself with a grenade.Bravo Nolan. (http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/09/Billy-D_Approves.gif)
This was something amazing - I love arena fights. The Hell Knight gouging the bullsquid's eye only for the entire skull to collapse was damn gruesome.
Post by: Warlord255 on March 21, 2018, 04:24:09 pm
However, I'm puzzled by the mention of skills. Does having any syndrome cause skill gains to freeze for the duration? If so, that's quite grim.
Post by: scourge728 on March 21, 2018, 07:38:07 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on March 21, 2018, 08:19:40 pm
Okidoke - turns out I've been horribly wrong! Multiple syndromes on one material does appear to work! My SYN_INGESTED for blood drinkers is functioning perfectly well alongside your blood stress syndrome!
However, I'm puzzled by the mention of skills. Does having any syndrome cause skill gains to freeze for the duration? If so, that's quite grim.
If too much bad emotions on sweat & blood, migrants will arrive with no social skills whatsoever.
I had to fine-tune lots. You'll have a totally-zero-social-skills fort if the syndromes are the wrong emotions (glumness?) or too long (or too strong??)
Don't know if combat skills stop advancing while suffering from blood_stains, sweaty_pits, ichor_stains.
One can try to have a bathing pool or water-mist-fall to wash 'em up. Or maybe cats licking dorfs clean.
Post by: Nihilist on March 21, 2018, 09:10:32 pm
The old formulas for edged deflection no longer seem to apply. Matching shear yield values seems to effectively make a material unable to cut(even with 10x fracture values!), and even just slight values over allows it to be cut like butter.(Edit: I knew that same fracture values caused blunting, but didn't know it was the same for yield).
The good news is that there seems to be some rhyme and reason to this, but I've ran into other strangeness, namely armor taking damage on a deflection. I've been able to break a breastplate without puncturing it. So far I'm uncertain if this is from impact(though I don't think so as no damage went through at all) or some other mechanic.
Once I have more findings, I think I'll make a a new 44.xx:Material science thread.
It's also possible that I'm totally wrong, but it's not working nearly how I expected.
Post by: Enemy post on March 22, 2018, 12:10:11 pm
So, I tried to do some of that, and as it turns out 1. Mega mewtwo Y is ABSURD at murdering things without being hurt, such as murdering 2 cyberdemons without being hurt, and then murdering 4 with severe injuries and 2. Mega mewtwo Y is also apperently dragonfire proof as it murdered Godzilla with nothing more than fat being melted
I wonder how the fat got melted if Mewtwo was immune to fire. My guess is that while Mewtwo was immune to fire, Godzilla heated the air itself enough to cause burns.
Post by: scourge728 on March 22, 2018, 12:55:54 pm
Post by: Enemy post on March 22, 2018, 01:18:51 pm
Post by: Jerry The Hellbound on March 22, 2018, 07:30:42 pm
Such as a cave, and before it was a hall, but i just crash a lot just randomly.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 25, 2018, 06:32:20 pm
Unfortunately lost the fortress to a tribe of yetis instead (not skulkers, somewhat op). They ambushed right by my gate and didn't hang around before charging in (thanks to latest siege bug fix!).
Strange thing is, none of my tribal civs (skulkers or non-skulkers) has siege triggers (all set to 0). So, besides the ones I provoke, they shouldn't, in theory, attack at all. Very interesting.
Yeti tribe's non-siege triggers are all set to 1, so maybe that's effecting ambushes? Or maybe it's just that the yetis don't like me picking on defenseless skulking monkey people.
Post by: Warlord255 on April 02, 2018, 07:13:30 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 02, 2018, 09:40:06 pm
Whoever knew there were such a variety of monkeys? But, oh no, now the realization that most of them don't have giant or animal-person forms is gnawing at the back of my mind...
Post by: Needle_fingers on April 03, 2018, 03:25:22 am
Post by: ZM5 on April 03, 2018, 04:24:28 am
Strange mood hit and have now added creature classes to (almost) everything. Makes my animal-person tribe entities' raws much neater.Heh, modding really is a lot like strange moods isn't it? I've been on a bit of a roll myself with my good biome revamp - nearly halfway done with all the creatures, though I'll still have to do plant types and weather types later. Can't wait to embark on a good marshland and have my citizens start defending themselves against human-sized centipedes (https://i.imgur.com/dh44SQs.png). That's gonna be a lot of fun.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 03, 2018, 04:47:46 pm
Some numbers are burst speeds, some sustained multi-hour speeds.
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170 kph white-throated needle-tailed swift
145-160 kph spine-tailed swift
153 frigate bird
140 kph horse-fly-insect?
135 swan_best flight
109 sailfish swim
98 antelope_best burst, hummingbird, cheetah_burst
900:300:200:100:1900:2900] 87+ kph horse burst?, ostrich burst, my_unicorn, pigeon_best_flight
900:327:218:109:1900:2900] 80 kph tiger & lion burst, cougar_burst, gazelle_burst, wildebeest_best, my_faedog, DUCKFLIGHT, biggest_bird_bustard(6-18-21kg), my_pegasus_flight, pigeon_avg, marlin swim
900:345:230:115:1900:2900] 76 kph quarter horse burst, eagle_best,
900:366:244:122:1900:2900] 72 kph elk burst, goose_sus, hare
900:375:250:125:1900:2900] 70 kph horse burst?, wolf burst, my_direwolf, tuna
900:381:254:127:1900:2900] 69 kph coyote, greyhound_max, big kangaroo, shark_best_swim
900:387:258:129:1900:2900] 68 kph dolphin burst, Banteng-cattle hybrid(fastest bovine) burst,
900:393:262:131:1900:2900] 67 kph vulture glide,
900:411:274:137:1900:2900] 64 kph ostrich run, zebra, ass, hyena, fox, camel burst, swordfish
900:432:288:144:1900:2900] 61 kph pheasant flight,
900:438:292:146:1900:2900] 60 kph giraffe burst,
900:447:298:149:1900:2900] 59 kph dog, lion, bat flight, eagle flight
900:471:314:157:1900:2900] 56 kph llama, jackal, tiger, rabbit?, bear?, polarbear_burst, my_ibex
900:480:320:160:1900:2900] 55 kph moose, rhino burst
900:498:332:166:1900:2900] 53 kph tiger shark swim,
900:507:338:169:1900:2900] 52 kph T-Rex one estimate
900:519:346:173:1900:2900] 51 kph reindeer
900:528:352:176:1900:2900] 50 kph giraffe_sustained
900:549:366:183:1900:2900] 48 kph waterbuffalo, my bulldog, _deer_, warthog, wolverine, _bear_, cat, lynx, horse gallop (for 3km, not burst), eagle/crow sus, gazelle_sus, barracuda
900:585:390:195:1900:2900] 45 kph human_best_burst, my_dragon_flight
900:612:408:204:1900:2900] 43 kph DF_rabbit, my_guineafowl, my_grizzly
900:627:418:209:1900:2900] 42 kph greater roadrunner (who can still fly)
900:657:438:219:1900:2900] 40 kph donkey, turkey, elephant_tinyburst, gorilla_tinyburst, wombat, camel_sustained_run, biglizard_burst, duck_flight_relaxed, eland_slowestantilope_b
900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph DF_human burst
900:683:468:237:1900:2900] 37 kph
900:687:474:244:1900:2900] 36 kph gentoo penguin swim,
900:691:482:251:1900:2900] 35 kph medium dinosaur,
900:695:489:258:1900:2900] 34 kph minke whale burst swim,
900:699:497:266:1900:2900] 33 kph
900:703:505:274:1900:2900] 32 kph crippled_coyote, crocodile swim, hippo run, bighorn sheep, blue whale, penguin swim, my_dragon_run, my_spaniel
900:707:513:283:1900:2900] 31 kph DF_cavy_rodent, yak?
900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph DF_dwarf, my_goblin, alpaca?
900:714:529:303:1900:2900] 29 kph amphibian_best run, rabbit, house sparrow flight (quite slow),
900:722:545:325:1900:2900] 27 kph cow?
900:726:553:338:1900:2900] 26 kph jerboa bouncy rat,
900:730:561:351:1900:2900] 25 kph sheep, 3ton_elephant_burst_or_sustained, my_crundle, my_demon
900:734:568:366:1900:2900] 24 kph raccoon_burst, capybara, manatee_swim, sea turtle, honeybee,
900:738:576:382:1900:2900] 23 kph [wildfire spreading speed]
900:742:584:399:1900:2900] 22 kph my_cavy, eland_sustain, Beluga whale swim
900:746:592:418:1900:2900] 21 kph
900:750:600:439:1900:2900] 20 kph big_elephant burst, penguin_swim, dugong_swim_burst,
1161:938:716:462:2200:3300] 19 kph goat, squirrel, roadrunner_run, turkey run, snake_best_burst, butterfly_migration_average,
1422:1127:831:488:2500:3700] 18 kph DF_pig, T-Rex walk upper estimate, 18.7 human marathon winners,
1683:1315:947:516:2800:4100] 17 kph, crocodile burst 11-14-17-18,
1945:1504:1062:548:3100:4500] 16 kph horse lope gait, elephant seal swim, ghost crab walk,
2206:1692:1178:585:3400:4900] 15 kph dolphin cruise, my_mummy
2467:1880:1294:627:3700:5300] 14 kph chicken?, humpback whale cruise,
2728:2069:1409:675:4000:5700] 13 kph otter swim,
2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph my_iron_statue
3251:2446:1640:798:4600:6500] 11 kph snake_best
3512:2634:1756:878:4900:6900] 10 kph big_elephant sustain,
4122:3330:2541:975:5411:7233] 9 kph 8.8 average female marathoner sustain,
4732:4026:3327:1097:5922:7567] 8 kph duck walk, American woodcock flight is world's slowest, wolf_travelspeed
5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph 6.7 fastest beetle
6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph cockroach, raccoon swim
1.77 kph spider
9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
0.24 kph sloth
kit: pick one of top 3
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_FLYING_GAITS:900:691:482:251:1900:2900] 35 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALKING_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph BIPED
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph [SWIMS_INNATE]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph [STANCE_CLIMBER][NATURAL_SKILL:CLIMBING:15]
lizard:[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
vanilla human:
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:675:450:225:1900:2900] 39 kph BIPED
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:5341:4723:4112:1254:6433:7900] 7 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph, NO DATA
worm:
[GAIT:WALK:Crawl:2900:NO_BUILD_UP:0:LAYERS_SLOW:STRENGTH:AGILITY]
[GAIT:CRAWL:Crawl:2900:NO_BUILD_UP:0:LAYERS_SLOW:STRENGTH:AGILITY]
monkey:
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALKING_GAITS:900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:2206:1692:1178:585:3400:4900] 15 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph, NO DATA
[NATURAL_SKILL:CLIMBING:15]
[SWIMS_INNATE]
big python:
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA [SWIMS_INNATE]
Post by: Warlord255 on April 05, 2018, 06:12:15 am
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Next step: Giant hearts and cyclops eyes!
Edit: well, that's a bummer. Forgot about cannibalism ethics.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 07, 2018, 04:26:32 pm
I tried to make bones shearable for a creature, but it doesnt seem to have worked. Will require more study.
Also i still cant recreate that stupid creature being made of cheese bug. It is taunting me.
Im going to make a bunch of animals made entirely out of animate cheese just for the hell of it.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 08, 2018, 12:27:49 pm
Can attach this to your world's SWEAT material:
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Post by: deathpunch578 on April 09, 2018, 12:20:00 pm
Spoiler: edits made (click to show/hide)
1. change beds so kobolds sleep on planks of wood, a large smoothed rock, or some cloth (but also have normal beds still exist for other races)
2. make dragons rulers of civilazations
3. make kobolds able to butcher and eat other races
4. have kobolds not have any favorite drinks
5. a way to distill water/store water
Post by: ZM5 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:15 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on April 09, 2018, 01:19:21 pm
Due to the lack of a [VEGETARIAN] counterpart to the [CARNIVORE] tag, the only way to forbid animal-persons from eating meat is to define a bunch of SPECIFIC_FOOD tags. Pandas prove that one creature with multiple such tags works correctly.
Here's the complete list, sorted into like categories - this only covers plants with an EDIBLE_RAW leaf, fruit, or nut, and only covers plants that make sense to eat raw - no biting into onions or lemons. Since this was based off DF Revised 1.5.1, some nuts may not be properly edible if you use these with vanilla raws.
Because adventurers can't gather plants (yet), applying these to a playable race means you'll have to trade for edibles like a civilized person rather than being a flesh-eating murder hobo.
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Post by: bloop_bleep on April 09, 2018, 01:20:23 pm
Post by: Enemy post on April 09, 2018, 01:24:20 pm
changed their language to goblin (for now, if I can find a translated version of the d&d draconic language I will use that)
This site seems to be your best option. They've dug up as much information as they can on Draconic to make as close to a "canon" translator as possible. (http://draconic.twilightrealm.com/)
Post by: deathpunch578 on April 09, 2018, 03:45:45 pm
Thanks for posting this.changed their language to goblin (for now, if I can find a translated version of the d&d draconic language I will use that)
This site seems to be your best option. They've dug up as much information as they can on Draconic to make as close to a "canon" translator as possible. (http://draconic.twilightrealm.com/)
Post by: TomiTapio on April 10, 2018, 01:03:04 pm
Because "mine ice, press ice into hospital water" is slow.
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also give your civ the reaction:
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ICE_TO_WATER] --by Malecus
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_PLANTS_WATER] --by Malecus
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MILK_TO_WATER] --by TomiTapio
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1. change beds so kobolds sleep on planks of wood, a large smoothed rock, or some cloth (but also have normal beds still exist for other races)water: in goes bucket of water, out comes blarf_storage_item. reverse reaction would take in blarf_storage_item and output a bucketful of water. Or dig a pond.
5. a way to distill water/store water
cloth-and-stone bed:
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water beds: 3 leather, 3 buckets of water, out comes waterleather bed.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 10, 2018, 01:55:42 pm
Post by: D_E on April 12, 2018, 07:00:25 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 12, 2018, 10:27:41 pm
A little nervous about how 44.10 stress balance will hit my Wild Dwarves. For all their masked, murderous ways, they're delicate little snowflakes psychologically.
Post by: D_E on April 13, 2018, 06:28:20 am
Fed up with [Animal_present:always] ending up with long lists of various giant beasts for the tiniest of my animal person tribes. But without it, they get none. Solved by letting giant beasts roam wherever they please (removed [Savage] from them). Nice balance of regular and giant beast owning tribes thriving now. Monkey people seem to lose all their monkeys though. Wrong climate probably. Will give them [Always] back. I guess once pet pops are fixed tribes might choose their animals more sensibly. Wild human tribes retain their huge horse herds for now.
A little nervous about how 44.10 stress balance will hit my Wild Dwarves. For all their masked, murderous ways, they're delicate little snowflakes psychologically.
You can add multiple ANIMAL tokens and use custom creature class to guarantee that a civ always has certain creatures. For example, the feathered zora in the Zelda mod now always get large birds like ostriches to haul their trade goods, as well as whatever other birds happen to live nearby:
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[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:AVIAN]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:INTELLIGENT]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MONSTER]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:FAIRY]
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:AVIAN_TRADE]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:INTELLIGENT]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MONSTER]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:FAIRY]
[ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT]
Post by: ZM5 on April 13, 2018, 08:31:59 am
Post by: SlimeOfSteel on April 13, 2018, 08:36:41 am
Post by: TomiTapio on April 13, 2018, 01:29:51 pm
I'm personally wondering how my Darkest Dungeon mod is gonna interact with the stress changes, given how many of the creatures in it have negative moodlets attached to various interactions. I'd guess I'll have to tone those down once the update is out.I'd try tweaking until 7% of dwarves go over 100k stress, after a violent clash where 3-20 people died.
No-violence peaceful shut-in fortress, goal maybe 1.5% go over 100k stress.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 13, 2018, 04:56:01 pm
Yes, but I don't want to specify exactly what they can/can't have. I want a selection of all the cats in the game to be available to lion-person villages and see some variety between villages. But with ALWAYS, all the towns end up with a long list of ALL the big cats and their giant varieties. Without ALWAYS they're limited to "what's available in the local biome". Which is working better for all the tribes now that giant creatures are roaming everywhere (except for monkey people, but that's OK, they can have their wild ALWAYS forest retreats swarming with every type of monkey).Fed up with [Animal_present:always] ending up with long lists of various giant beasts for the tiniest of my animal person tribes. But without it, they get none. Solved by letting giant beasts roam wherever they please (removed [Savage] from them). Nice balance of regular and giant beast owning tribes thriving now. Monkey people seem to lose all their monkeys though. Wrong climate probably. Will give them [Always] back. I guess once pet pops are fixed tribes might choose their animals more sensibly. Wild human tribes retain their huge horse herds for now.
A little nervous about how 44.10 stress balance will hit my Wild Dwarves. For all their masked, murderous ways, they're delicate little snowflakes psychologically.
You can add multiple ANIMAL tokens and use custom creature class to guarantee that a civ always has certain creatures. For example, the feathered zora in the Zelda mod now always get large birds like ostriches to haul their trade goods, as well as whatever other birds happen to live nearby:Code: [Select][ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:AVIAN]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:INTELLIGENT]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MONSTER]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:FAIRY]
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:AVIAN_TRADE]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:INTELLIGENT]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MONSTER]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:FAIRY]
[ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT]
Post by: Eric Blank on April 13, 2018, 05:45:46 pm
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:FELINE]
And that will give the civ every creature in range of them that has the feline creature class. So youd just have to add that class to each of the cats' creature raws.
Post by: bloop_bleep on April 13, 2018, 05:48:40 pm
Ah, you can add a "feline" or "avian" creature class to all the cats in the game and in the entity add only
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:FELINE]
And that will give the civ every creature in range of them that has the feline creature class. So youd just have to add that class to each of the cats' creature raws.
I think they've done that already, and the problem they're having is that every village has a very large population of every single cat that they added that creature class to, so there's no variety.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 13, 2018, 05:52:32 pm
Yeah, that's it exactly. All my animals have classes now. I guess the overpopulating of every type of beast might be related to this bug:Ah, you can add a "feline" or "avian" creature class to all the cats in the game and in the entity add only
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:FELINE]
And that will give the civ every creature in range of them that has the feline creature class. So youd just have to add that class to each of the cats' creature raws.
I think they've done that already, and the problem they're having is that every village has a very large population of every single cat that they added that creature class to, so there's no variety.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10357
In the meantime, limiting most of the tribes to what's available locally works OK. Most of the tribes stick to similar biomes to their animal counterparts.
I imagine giant animals being able to roam wherever they like will make actually playing Fun. We'll see. :)
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on April 13, 2018, 10:31:59 pm
As it turned out, scholars with bonfire bound codexes were arriving at my fort, who then swiftly transformed into !!scholars!! standing in a blood snow soaked grass fire.
'twas funny, if nothing else.
Post by: Warlord255 on April 13, 2018, 11:08:37 pm
Was running a test fort when my snowy pyartly haunted embark caught fire.
As it turned out, scholars with bonfire bound codexes were arriving at my fort, who then swiftly transformed into !!scholars!! standing in a blood snow soaked grass fire.
'twas funny, if nothing else.
Sorry! I fixed that in the current version! Don't know if it's made its way to any mods that incorporate Bonfire, though.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 14, 2018, 01:45:18 am
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on April 14, 2018, 05:32:26 am
I *think* I fixed it already, but if you have a 2018 version I might as well use that instead.Was running a test fort when my snowy pyartly haunted embark caught fire.
As it turned out, scholars with bonfire bound codexes were arriving at my fort, who then swiftly transformed into !!scholars!! standing in a blood snow soaked grass fire.
'twas funny, if nothing else.
Sorry! I fixed that in the current version! Don't know if it's made its way to any mods that incorporate Bonfire, though.
I did the same thing by making "flaming nuggets" which i used to start fires at workshops while testi g stuff. caravans would sometimes bring flaming nugget stuff and burn everything.Now that you mention it, I saw a burning wagon at one point. I thought it might have spawned on top of a grass fire, but now that I think about it mugs made out of bonfire or something is a more likely culprit.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 14, 2018, 12:34:44 pm
[CASTE:UNLUCKY_FIRESTART_LIGHTNINGSTRIKE] "oh, we hunted groundhogs, then a bushfire started".
[POP_RATIO:3]
[FEMALE] [BODY: ....
[ITEMCORPSE:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COAL_BONFIRE]
Because dry biomes should randomly catch fire. Or should I make a plant who drops flowers seasonally that are of BONFIRE material. Which plants could be good candidates for dry biome bushfires?
Post by: Eric Blank on April 14, 2018, 12:59:26 pm
I would stick to some very rare vermin that only come out in summer in certain biomes and a species of web spinning spider endemic and ubiquitous in those same areas, tbh. Hide the cats, remove the spider webs.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 14, 2018, 06:31:01 pm
The only cause I can think of is that they have wagon_pullers but no pack_animals. Every hobbit town has a population of wagon puller animals. Are pack animals needed to trade at longer distance, perhaps?
Post by: Warlord255 on April 14, 2018, 06:45:58 pm
Groundhog third caste:
[CASTE:UNLUCKY_FIRESTART_LIGHTNINGSTRIKE] "oh, we hunted groundhogs, then a bushfire started".
[POP_RATIO:3]
[FEMALE] [BODY: ....
[ITEMCORPSE:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COAL_BONFIRE]
Because dry biomes should randomly catch fire. Or should I make a plant who drops flowers seasonally that are of BONFIRE material. Which plants could be good candidates for dry biome bushfires?
I think an *evil* fire-tree would be a great rarity, for savanna/grassland and the like.
Also, I recommend you check the 2018 Bonfire update - fixed randomly appearing bonfire objects with [SPECIAL] and [NO_STONE_STOCKPILE].
EDIT: An unrelated discovery. Civs need animals to spread; if using [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PRESENT] for forced specific bests, variation-based animals like giants and animal-people are irregular and may result in civs with no available animals, leading to starvation. Lovely.
Post by: scourge728 on April 16, 2018, 12:27:26 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 16, 2018, 12:56:58 pm
Also, would your shark and fish people be like merpeople with a fish tail they can slither around on or like that one cartoon from the early 90s. Either of those could be pretty badass.
Gave a civ access to pretty much all animals in their area, they ended up with nasty things like werebeasts and night creatures. There were fatalities. Oops.
Post by: D_E on April 18, 2018, 12:40:26 am
May have air-drowned an ocean's worth of giant octopi <.<
Post by: scourge728 on April 18, 2018, 12:18:36 pm
Maybe you can skip some of the less interesting varieties, then?I just copied the sperm whale man raw and changed some values, so whatever it does for sperm whale men is how they work
Also, would your shark and fish people be like merpeople with a fish tail they can slither around on or like that one cartoon from the early 90s. Either of those could be pretty badass.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 18, 2018, 01:21:43 pm
Code: [Select]
the reaction:
[REACTION:CUT_ROCKSALT] --Or could go with skill:milling and need bag, and that plant's mill product.
[NAME:grind rock salt]
[BUILDING:GRINDERxxxxxxxxx:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:ROCK_SALT]
--cant have plant named SALT, as that is a hardcoded substance.
[PRODUCT:100:15:PLANT:NONE:PLANT_MAT:saltfromminerals:LEAF] --works
--any dwarf has the skill for this, it's like dismantling a wall.
the plant:
[PLANT:saltfromminerals] --by TomiTapio for 34.11b. Make it out of rock salt boulders at Grinder shop. Plant's name can't be SALT because that's a hardcoded substance of forgotten beasts.
--value 2 might be correct for cooking balance.
[NAME:salt crystals][NAME_PLURAL:salt crystals][ADJ:salt crystals]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[PICKED_TILE:252][PICKED_COLOR:5:0:0]
[VALUE:2]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SEED:SEED_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[SEED:salt crystals:salt crystals:6:0:0:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:LEAF:LEAF_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[DRY]
[SUMMER]
[BIOME:ANY_DESERT] --simulate finding exposed old seabed.
[CLUSTERSIZE:4][FREQUENCY:7][GROWDUR:900] --very rare to see in the desert.
[PREFSTRING:flavor enhancing]
[PREFSTRING:inspiring taste]
[SHRUB_TILE:252]
[DEAD_SHRUB_TILE:252]
[SHRUB_COLOR:7:0:0]
[DEAD_SHRUB_COLOR:0:0:1]
[GROWTH:LEAVES] keep
[GROWTH_NAME:salt bits:salt bits]
[GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:LEAF]
[GROWTH_DENSITY:1000]
[GROWTH_PRINT:250:6:2:0:0:ALL:1]
Post by: pikachu17 on April 19, 2018, 06:56:53 pm
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 19, 2018, 07:12:24 pm
PTW
Off-topic. Love your profile.
Post by: pikachu17 on April 20, 2018, 02:49:32 pm
Post by: armads on April 21, 2018, 02:43:34 am
Still, weirdest thing so far is the random dwarven war crimes.
Had a goblin siege, some of the goblins ended up in cage traps.
I find my dwarves butchering the goblins, flaying them and making their fat into tallow. They won't store the butchered remains in the food stockpile, mind. They just dump the sweatbread and other stuff in the corpse stockpile. Essentially, they make a lot more mess.
I didn't tell them to do this either. Apparently, the dwarves decided captured prisoners go right into the autobutcher extension and that means get to butchering goblins.
Of course, being a personal matter, I still have a bunch of goblins sitting in my stockpile in cages. But some dwarf decided ol' Stasost Songmallu needed to be prepared like a slab of beef, and his nervous tissue is now in my stockpile along with his organs. They won't even make soap from the goblin. Again, given it's a personal matter I suppose it falls to the individual dwarf to decide whether or not they want to butcher the goblins.
I think next time I'll put it to acceptable or maybe required and see how the dwarves act. But for now, I want to see if this was a one time thing or if the dwarves really like leaving the untanned skins of their enemies rotting in their stockpiles along with their hearts.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 21, 2018, 11:25:08 am
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[CREATURE:MAGMA_BLOB]
[DESCRIPTION:A strange shapeless life form with the prospensity to burn its surroundings.]
[NAME:magma blob:magma blobs:magma blob]
[CASTE_NAME:magma blob:magma blobs:magma blob]
[CREATURE_TILE:'o'][COLOR:4:0:1]
[CREATURE_CLASS:POISONOUS]
[PETVALUE:50]
[PET_EXOTIC]
[FREQUENCY:8]
[BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_LAVA]
[LARGE_ROAMING][AMPHIBIOUS][UNDERSWIM]
[UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:3:4]
[EXTRAVISION][MAGMA_VISION][NOBREATHE][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][NOEMOTION]
[NOBONES][HOMEOTHERM:12500][FIREIMMUNE]
[NATURAL]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:2:3]
[PREFSTRING:boiling hot fluid]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SKIN:SKIN_TEMPLATE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:LEATHER:LEATHER_TEMPLATE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PARCHMENT:PARCHMENT_TEMPLATE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FLUID:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:cooled magma blob fluid]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:cooled magma blob fluid]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:molten magma blob fluid]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten magma blob fluid]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling magma blob fluid]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling magma blob fluid]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:SCARLET]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:12000]
[TISSUE:SKIN]
[TISSUE_NAME:skin:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SKIN]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:SOLID]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE:FLUID]
[TISSUE_NAME:fluid:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:FLUID]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TISSUE_LAYER_UNDER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:FLUID]
[SECRETION:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:FLUID:LIQUID:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20000]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_SLEEP]
[NO_DIZZINESS]
[NO_FEVERS]
[CANNOT_JUMP]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:SCARLET:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:FLUID]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:SCARLET:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:FLUID]
[BOILING_POINT:15000]
[MELTING_POINT:12000]
[SPEC_HEAT:1450] specific heat capacity of lava
[SELECT_MATERIAL:SKIN]
[BOILING_POINT:NONE]
[MELTING_POINT:NONE]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
[HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
[IGNITE_POINT:NONE]It's a modified cave blob. It is full of extremely hot fluid instead of blister-inducing fluid. If you pierce it's flesh and allow it's innards to leak on the ground, it will eventually cool. These things die in cold conditions because their fluid will solidify, having the boiling point of magma.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 21, 2018, 12:41:57 pm
In my own modding, i think i got those stupid shearable lizards to work correctly finally. You can shear them for their ivory scutes, they lay eggs and their scutes make them pretty much invulnerable to the claws and punches of other similarly sized creatures. They only cover the head, neck, both body halves and tail though, and the club at the end of their tail, which is an effective weapon. Maybe ill make them trainable as guard animals. Theyd make a decent compliment to war dogs
Post by: ZM5 on April 21, 2018, 01:53:48 pm
(https://puu.sh/A7N2Y/f393547c0a.png)
Looking neat so far. No creatures have showed up yet, but I'm glad atleast the plants and trees are working.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 21, 2018, 09:38:45 pm
That would be awesome, if not for the near guarantee that they will show up in the third caverns and literally burn it to the ground, which will seriously harm a players fps. I would make sure they only ever appear in the magma sea, they can crawl up into the cavern if they have access then but wont spawn in the caverns.
Currently their fluid only leaks out when (smitten, pierced, etc), so it may not be as much of a problem. The fluid currently has no ignite temperature because otherwise it would have kept burning to death. If I have the [FIREIMMUNE] tag, can I safely remove [IGNITE_TEMP:NONE]? Would it be immolate or would only the fluid ignite grass?
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 21, 2018, 09:39:27 pm
Decided to do a test embark on a good biome, since I'm more or less done with my good biome revamp.
(https://puu.sh/A7N2Y/f393547c0a.png)
Looking neat so far. No creatures have showed up yet, but I'm glad atleast the plants and trees are working.
How did you do that? I want to try
Post by: FallingWhale on April 22, 2018, 12:33:34 am
As things are is there anyway to make a syndrome kick in when a creature reaches adulthood? I want to make things make themselves into cocoons.
Post by: ZM5 on April 22, 2018, 04:25:40 am
I have been out of the game for a very long time.Unfortunately thats still impossible.
As things are is there anyway to make a syndrome kick in when a creature reaches adulthood? I want to make things make themselves into cocoons.
How did you do that? I want to tryIts simple - I added grass, plant and tree types that only appear within a specific good biome (in this case its grass/shrublands).
Post by: Eric Blank on April 22, 2018, 08:19:52 am
That would be awesome, if not for the near guarantee that they will show up in the third caverns and literally burn it to the ground, which will seriously harm a players fps. I would make sure they only ever appear in the magma sea, they can crawl up into the cavern if they have access then but wont spawn in the caverns.
Currently their fluid only leaks out when (smitten, pierced, etc), so it may not be as much of a problem. The fluid currently has no ignite temperature because otherwise it would have kept burning to death. If I have the [FIREIMMUNE] tag, can I safely remove [IGNITE_TEMP:NONE]? Would it be immolate or would only the fluid ignite grass?
The fireimmune token doesnt actually give immunity to anything, so their materials still need to be modified, yes. And they still have the secretion tag for their fluid in that raw text you posted, so they do leak fluid everywhere. I would guess its hot enough in game to just ignite everything around it, but you should test it and find out
Post by: ZM5 on April 22, 2018, 08:44:34 am
Post by: TomiTapio on April 22, 2018, 09:12:27 am
How did you do that? I want to tryGrass modding like separate text file plant_grasses.txt
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plant_grasses
[OBJECT:PLANT]
[PLANT:savage polar grass]
[NAME:lichen][NAME_PLURAL:lichens][ADJ:lichen]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[GRASS]
[GRASS_TILES:'.'.'.'.'.'.'.']
[GRASS_COLORS:2:0:0:2:0:0:6:0:0:6:0:0]
[WET]
[DRY]
[SAVAGE]
[BIOME:TUNDRA]
try the infinity symbol for your ascii grass. Or animated grass:[GRASS_TILES:242:243:169:170]
[ALT_GRASS_TILES:243:242:170:169] [ALT_PERIOD:200:100]
[GRASS_COLORS:5:0:0:5:0:0:5:0:0:0:0:1]
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 23, 2018, 09:03:25 pm
Making a very small humanlike creature, which can move at the current maximum speed (87 kph) and it comes to your map, steals an item, and flees. It appears in good and evil regions. (Also it has trapavoid haha)
Post by: Eric Blank on April 24, 2018, 11:27:28 am
Decided to do a test embark on a good biome, since I'm more or less done with my good biome revamp.You know i actually have a bunch of good/evil interactions and stuff. Would you like me to upload them so you can use them in your mod?
Looking neat so far. No creatures have showed up yet, but I'm glad atleast the plants and trees are working.
Post by: ZM5 on April 24, 2018, 12:37:35 pm
You know i actually have a bunch of good/evil interactions and stuff. Would you like me to upload them so you can use them in your mod?Thanks for the offer, but I'm good - I've made some of my own, recently had a cloud of magical smoke (https://i.imgur.com/1W6kece.png) (didn't think the clouds would be that huge tbh) drift harmlessly next to my fort. Causes a temporary but long-term loss of physical and mental attributes in most creatures - beings of nature are strengthened by it instead, i.e living plant creatures or sentient servants of nature. I've got 7 other types in good biomes now - may add more later once I'm done with evil biomes - got some weather types planned for that as well.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 24, 2018, 10:10:21 pm
Thanks for the offer, but I'm good - I've made some of my own, recently had a cloud of magical smoke (https://i.imgur.com/1W6kece.png) (didn't think the clouds would be that huge tbh) drift harmlessly next to my fort. Causes a temporary but long-term loss of physical and mental attributes in most creatures - beings of nature are strengthened by it instead, i.e living plant creatures or sentient servants of nature. I've got 7 other types in good biomes now - may add more later once I'm done with evil biomes - got some weather types planned for that as well.
You’re really loving the Mirthful and Joyous regions of DF, aren’t you?
You know i actually have a bunch of good/evil interactions and stuff. Would you like me to upload them so you can use them in your mod?
I would love to see them myself.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 24, 2018, 10:13:30 pm
I always thought the good and evil tags were mutually exclusive. Does it actually show up in both in play?
Apparently it only is for plants.
But no, I haven’t tried it in gameplay.
Post by: Kyubee on April 25, 2018, 12:08:32 am
Post by: ZM5 on April 25, 2018, 03:52:21 am
You’re really loving the Mirthful and Joyous regions of DF, aren’t you?Heh, I think I'll like them a lot more now. My issue with them in vanilla is that they were kinda boring, with not much going for them - no weather types and few unique creatures, none of which (aside from unicorns) were much of a danger. I maaaay have gone a bit overboard with the latter since I have a total of 238 creatures made for the good biomes. I should probably add more vermin types since I only have 1 that appears in tundras, taigas and glaciers - maybe I'll do that once I'm done with the evil biome creatures, for which I have an equally large number to do.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 26, 2018, 01:18:30 pm
Did someone say unicorns?!?
Unicorns can have fun like:
[NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:7]
[NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:9] elite
[NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:5]
[NATURAL_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE:2]
[NATURAL_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE:6] elite kick
[NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:7] forest master
[SOUND:ALERT:100:2000:VOCALIZATION:whinny:whinnies:a hollow echoing snort]
[SOUND:PEACEFUL_INTERMITTENT:40:2000:VOCALIZATION:shuffle:steps forward:quiet rustling]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALKING_GAITS:900:300:200:100:1900:2900] 87+ kph
Post by: ShinyandKittens on April 27, 2018, 09:06:45 pm
*bursts in thorough the wall*
I can’t believe there is another human (or possibly a tree) other than me who finds that funny
Post by: Warlord255 on April 28, 2018, 05:55:41 pm
*bursts in thorough the wall*
Did someone say unicorns?!?
Unicorns can have fun like:
[NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:7]
[NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:9] elite
[NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:5]
[NATURAL_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE:2]
[NATURAL_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE:6] elite kick
[NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:7] forest master
[SOUND:ALERT:100:2000:VOCALIZATION:whinny:whinnies:a hollow echoing snort]
[SOUND:PEACEFUL_INTERMITTENT:40:2000:VOCALIZATION:shuffle:steps forward:quiet rustling]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALKING_GAITS:900:300:200:100:1900:2900] 87+ kph
That's nifty - but why not some !!magic!!, eh?
Part 1: Unicorn blood transforms livestock into (murderous) unicorns.
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[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:unicorn transformation]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HORSE:ALL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:MULE:ALL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DONKEY:ALL]
[SYN_INGESTED][SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:UNICORN:FEMALE]
[CE_ADD_TAG:CRAZED:START:2:END:500:ABRUPT_START:ABRUPT_END]Part 2: Butchering a unicorn grants regeneration!
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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:GLITTER:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:5:1:0]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:unicorn glitter]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:unicorn glitter]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:unicorn glitter]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:unicorn glitter]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:unicorn glitter]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:unicorn glitter]
[BOILING_POINT:9000]
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:9001]
[NO_STONE_STOCKPILE]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:unicorn glitter]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:UNICORN:ALL]
[SYN_INHALED]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:1:ABRUPT_START:ABRUPT_END]
[CE:CREATURE:REVITALIZED:DEFAULT] <-- "Dwarf has transformed into a revitalized creature!"
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GUTS]
[EBO_ITEM:BOULDER:NONE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:GLITTER]regeneration dummy creature, which I also use for eating hydra hearts:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on April 29, 2018, 12:26:17 am
You know i actually have a bunch of good/evil interactions and stuff. Would you like me to upload them so you can use them in your mod?
I would love to see them myself.
I suppose ill do that, probably tomorrow. None of it is by any means complete or sane, but i checked and everything seems to actually work just fine.
[edit] Here it is: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13714 have fun I guess
I actually added a couple megabeasts ive been thinking about recently. A giant boar ala an ancient greek story i recall about heracles killing a boar or something, a tentacle demon because why not, a fairy king/queen with some magic powers (quite small though) and a leviathan, a nearly-max-size dragon-like creature that breathes ice and water webs instead of fire. Ill probably stuff them in with the regional interactions? I dunno, i like them.
Post by: scourge728 on April 29, 2018, 08:30:18 pm
Post by: Kazimuth on April 30, 2018, 04:01:37 pm
It's just a DFHack lua script that teleports a bunch of "segment" creatures around behind a leader, lol. It should be pretty cool once I can get the segments to stop fighting / fleeing each other :)
Post by: Enemy post on April 30, 2018, 04:32:57 pm
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on May 01, 2018, 03:38:13 am
Operations "rocks to magma" and "magical infinite water pump" are a go.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on May 01, 2018, 04:43:52 pm
These are generic stereotypical slimes, generalized from many other games and inspired partially by Terarria.
I intend to add more castes
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creature_slime
[OBJECT:CREATURE]
[CREATURE:SLIME]
[DESCRIPTION:A strange, shapeless creature.]
[NAME:slime:slimes:slime]
[CREATURE_TILE:'o'][COLOR:7:0:1]
[CREATURE_CLASS:SLIME]
[PETVALUE:50]
[PET_EXOTIC]
[BIOME:ANY_LAND]
[BIOME:SUBTERRAINEAN_CHASM]
[UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]
[CASTE:GREEN]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:green slime:green slimes:green slime]
[POP_RATIO:100]
[CASTE_TILE:248][CASTE_COLOR:2:0:1]
[CASTE:BLUE]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:blue slime:blue slimes:blue slime]
[POP_RATIO:50]
[CASTE_TILE:248][CASTE_COLOR:1:0:1]
[CASTE:YELLOW]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:yellow slime:yellow slimes:yellow slime]
[POP_RATIO:25]
[CASTE_TILE:'o'][CASTE_COLOR:6:0:1]
[CASTE:RED]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:red slime:red slimes:red slime]
[POP_RATIO:25]
[CASTE_TILE:'o'][CASTE_COLOR:4:0:0]
[CASTE:PURPLE]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:purple slime:purple slimes:purple slime]
[POP_RATIO:10]
[CASTE_TILE:9][CASTE_COLOR:5:0:0]
[CASTE:ORANGE]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:orange slime:orange slimes:orange slime]
[POP_RATIO:10]
[CASTE_TILE:9][CASTE_COLOR:4:0:1]
[CASTE:PINK]
[FEMALE]
[LITTERSIZE:20:50]
[CASTE_NAME:pink slime:pink slimes:pink slime]
[POP_RATIO:5]
[CASTE_TILE:248][CASTE_COLOR:5:0:1]
[SELECT_CASTE:GREEN]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen green slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen green slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:green slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:green slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling green slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling green slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:GREEN]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GREEN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:BLUE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen blue slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen blue slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:blue slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:blue slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling blue slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling blue slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:AZURE]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime slowing]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_SPEED_CHANGE:SPEED_PERC:60:START:0:END:8400] (lasts a week)
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime slowing]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_SPEED_CHANGE:SPEED_PERC:60:START:0:END:8400]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1500]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AZURE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:YELLOW]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen yellow slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen yellow slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:yellow slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:yellow slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling yellow slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling yellow slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:LEMON]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime calmness]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:-20:FACET:VIOLENT:-20:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:-20:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:PLEASURE:START:0:END:120]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime calmness]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:-20:FACET:VIOLENT:-20:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:-20:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:PLEASURE:START:0:END:120]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:2000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:LEMON:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:RED]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen red slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen red slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:red slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:red slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling red slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling red slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:MAROON]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime anger]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:20:FACET:VIOLENT:20:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:20:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:RAGE:START:0:END:120]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime anger]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:20:FACET:VIOLENT:20:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:20:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:RAGE:START:0:END:120]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:2500]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:MAROON:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:PURPLE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen purple slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen purple slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:purple slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:purple slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling purple slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling purple slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:VIOLET]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime disorientation]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:START:10:PEAK:2400:END:4800]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:slime disorientation]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SLIME:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:START:10:PEAK:2400:END:4800]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:3000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:VIOLET:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:ORANGE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen orange slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen orange slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:orange slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:orange slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling orange slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling orange slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:PUMPKIN]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:IMPALE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:impale:impales]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:3000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PUMPKIN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_CASTE:PINK]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SLIME:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen pink slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen pink slime]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:pink slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:pink slime]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling pink slime]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling pink slime]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:PINK]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:SLIME]
[TISSUE_NAME:slime:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[EXTRACT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SLIME]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[ATTACK:POUND:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:BASIC_1PARTBODY_THOUGHT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:pound:pounds]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1000]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SLIME]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PINK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:slime:SINGULAR]
[SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
[MULTIPLY_VALUE:5]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[PREFSTRING:squishiness]
[FREQUENCY:20]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:2:10][LOOSE_CLUSTERS]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[EXTRAVISION][NOBREATHE][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][NOEMOTION]
[NOBONES]
[NATURAL]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_SLEEP]
[NO_DIZZINESS]
[NO_FEVERS]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on May 01, 2018, 04:48:08 pm
Post by: ShinyandKittens on May 01, 2018, 05:24:23 pm
Should probably warn you that you spelled subterranean wrong (obviously the tags will only work if everything is spelled correctly :P).
Oh thanks lol. That’s what I wanted, constructive criticism.
Post by: ShinyandKittens on May 02, 2018, 03:45:48 pm
Eg
Code: [Select]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:LAW:-128]
Thanks
Post by: ShinyandKittens on May 02, 2018, 08:51:39 pm
will this work?
Code: [Select]
[USE_EVIL_ANIMALS]
[USE_EVIL_PLANTS]
[USE_EVIL_WOOD]
[USE_GOOD_ANIMALS]
[USE_GOOD_PLANTS]
[USE_GOOD_WOOD]
Trying to make entity definitions for my Streakers, which should appear in both good and evil biomes. I am trying to make it so they settle in both too.
Post by: overseer05-15 on May 02, 2018, 09:22:11 pm
Another question:
will this work?Code: [Select][USE_EVIL_ANIMALS]
[USE_EVIL_PLANTS]
[USE_EVIL_WOOD]
[USE_GOOD_ANIMALS]
[USE_GOOD_PLANTS]
[USE_GOOD_WOOD]
Trying to make entity definitions for my Streakers, which should appear in both good and evil biomes. I am trying to make it so they settle in both too.
Should, yeah. I don't recall those being exclusive.
Post by: Warlord255 on May 07, 2018, 10:05:02 pm
Do negative values work for sphere alignment?
EgCode: [Select][SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:LAW:-128]
Thanks
Some spheres are opposed to other spheres. A civ or creature having an alignment towards one sphere will give it tangential connections to friendly spheres, and restrict any connections with opposed spheres.
Post by: Melchizedek on May 09, 2018, 10:58:28 pm
Code: [Select]
[CASTE:GULLY]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:gully dwarf:gully dwarves:gully dwarf]
[BABYNAME:dwarven baby boy:dwarven baby boys] Revision: added baby names.
[CHILDNAME:dwarven boy:dwarven boys] Revision: added child names.
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]
[MAXAGE:20:30]
[NOFEAR]
[HUNTS_VERMIN]
[ADOPTS_OWNER]
[DESCRIPTION:A short, sturdy man fond of babbling and rat-catching.]
[POP_RATIO:5]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]I wanted to give this disorder [UTTERANCES] but doing so changes the language used by all dwarves in naming themselves and their civilizations to that of [UTTERANCES]. Might give it [TRAINABLE], just so they aren't completely useless.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on May 09, 2018, 11:29:03 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on May 10, 2018, 05:02:38 am
I'm creating some castes to simulate disorders and birth defects, to add difficulty and flare. Some are going to be purely decorative, such as dwarves whose eyes are completely one colour, while others are going to be more severe, such as dwarves with prehensile tails, or dwarves who are born without vital organs. Here's the first caste, which represents a severe defect known as gully syndrome.
Remember to add learning disabilities with skill_rates.
And STR DEX CON via [PHYS_ATT_RANGE:AGILITY:850:880:900:1100:1200:1200:1200] commands.
Charisma penalty by having only 1% skill gain rate in talk_charm type skills.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on May 10, 2018, 09:48:39 am
The trees are working pretty good though. Theyre huge and colorful, which gives good forests a totally different feel from mundane ones.
Post by: scourge728 on May 10, 2018, 10:46:59 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 10, 2018, 05:45:13 pm
Im just going to tear my objects folder apart until i find the source of this. This is stupid. It has to be a function of spellcrafts, but why the hell would it only show up when there are certain numbers of objects defined in certain files?! That other fellows errorlog said the gila monster that was supposed to be made of cheese was in creature_spellcrafts_wizards, so i went through that with a fine toothed comb and found jack shit out of the ordinary, messed with the order of things and saw nothing, now goose cheese after making a perfectly mundane tree. It really doesnt make sense.
Post by: ZM5 on May 10, 2018, 06:06:06 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 10, 2018, 06:35:30 pm
So taking away the milk and replacing it with an extract with the milk reaction class and everything does remove the error, but it also prevents me from making cheese from it. Oh well, if thats the price of not having to hear about chicken cheese ever again, then whatever.
Whats weird is this plant has been setup that way for over a year or two now with no problems until january...
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 10, 2018, 10:19:16 pm
Dammed humans in the corpse pile have driven half the forteess insane...
Post by: ZM5 on May 11, 2018, 04:49:13 am
I actually used milk as a material for a plant, which also produces cheese (and has both its milk and cheese defined and everything), maybe thats it, but if the materials been defined and used, properly as far as im aware, then how could it be "leaking" into other object definitions? And why so far down the line? That part makes zero sense.Its weird, and I'm not exactly sure why it happens - I haven't noticed the bug on my end either for a long time until the errorlog started vomiting up stuff about gila monster leather and parchment material being undefined.
So taking away the milk and replacing it with an extract with the milk reaction class and everything does remove the error, but it also prevents me from making cheese from it. Oh well, if thats the price of not having to hear about chicken cheese ever again, then whatever.
Whats weird is this plant has been setup that way for over a year or two now with no problems until january...
EDIT: (https://puu.sh/AkcZY/42063e56c0.png)
This is gonna be fun to see in adventure mode.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 11, 2018, 12:13:36 pm
I am officially commemorating tbe defeat of the dairy products with animals literally made of wax-encased cheese and nothing else. They are delicious. Habe you ever wanted to walk up to a turkey, take a big bite out of it and then let it go back to doing turkey things? Now you can, because they dont even bleed or feel pain, theyre just animate cheese! Not for the lactose intolerant, unfortunately.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 12, 2018, 06:42:52 pm
For some reason a human trade wagon has arrived. This shouldn't happen. One of the disadvantages of playing wild dwarves in my game is that they are Item_Thieves, so hostile to most everyone else except minotaurs and kobolds neither of whom trade.
So that's caravans only once a year, and the risk of attack by humans, dwarves, elves, goblins, dark elves, hobbits and various animal tribes. But you don't have to face down armies of giant steel-clad raging horned death from the minotaur cities (usually) so that balances nicely.
One summer ago, a human diplomat arrived at the tavern, hung out for a while, then left without comment. Interesting. Spy perhaps? His civ appeared in my civ list. A year later and here are the wagons. Somehow this hostile civ are no longer hostile. That's new.
--edit
Hmm. The Outpost Liasion is an ex-criminal. Possibly unrelated. Civ screen says the usual offerings of "terror" and "vengeance" (although I'll check again after the merchants and liaison go home).
OK. I see what happened. He's the human liaison of my civ. That's not unusual, but following him through history and he's always been a member of the human civ. In the year 189 he settled in the human town of Packrusset (after 30 years of being a criminal in Packrusset) and...became the outpost liasion for a hostile wild dwarf civ. Packrusset remains part of the human civ, no-one's been kidnapped or enslaved.
History appears to be somewhat screwed up.
Post by: Aurum System on May 13, 2018, 01:12:31 am
Spoiler: Material templates (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Plant (click to show/hide)
Edit: Let me know if you try anything with it.
Post by: scourge728 on May 15, 2018, 05:54:38 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 15, 2018, 09:35:44 pm
I also made a horrible, horrible giant hornet that turns critters into hornets like itself and even have a werecurse associated with them. I am now making a weresnail with iron scales and shell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaly-foot_gastropod), because frankly thats terrifying.
Post by: Warlord255 on May 15, 2018, 11:15:14 pm
Cheese critters work. Theyre made of cheese and you can eat it. The egg layers even lay cheese eggs that can be eaten raw, but still hatch correctly.
I also made a horrible, horrible giant hornet that turns critters into hornets like itself and even have a werecurse associated with them. I am now making a weresnail with iron scales and shell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaly-foot_gastropod), because frankly thats terrifying.
If you're going to make a metallic snail, why not make it a flail snail?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
On the subject of metallic insects, I've added Silver Scorpions, Tin Termites, Copper Crustaceans and Brass Beetles to the caverns. Each one has an item-related ALTTLE, such as the Scorpion flashing between "S" and "$". It feels pretty neat.
Post by: Pumble on May 15, 2018, 11:34:57 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2018, 01:14:30 am
Also you should totally share those metallic insects, im interested
Post by: voliol on May 16, 2018, 12:34:51 pm
A nice detail, considering there are no vanilla creatures with both an exoskeleton and horns, as far as I know.
Post by: Enemy post on May 16, 2018, 10:39:12 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 18, 2018, 01:23:16 am
But if you change any of that, from letting them start in any other biomes or try to do the same with cities or forest retreats, it just doesnt work. Other site types can found new sites around their mountain range even if they dont have any settlement biomes described. And if you try to set their biome preference for mountains to 0 the civ wont show up, at all. If they start in any other biomes theyll build as many hillocks as possible in a dense cluster around their fortress, but never mountain halls or new fortresses.
This behavior is really weird, and it drives me nuts that i cant find any other ways to get similar behavior. Ive spent all day running worldgen trying to find other reliable ways to stall civs development. The next best thing is to make their biome preferences so restrictive there are only a miniscule quantity of locales in a given world that suit their needs, but even that doesnt seem to be reliable, and of course you cant guarantee a worldgen where those sites are truly scarce unless you use perfect world or something where youre generating the same terrain repeatedly, which gets boring frankly.
Post by: Amdy_vill on May 18, 2018, 07:25:40 am
Post by: Melchizedek on May 20, 2018, 09:33:40 am
Post by: Asin on May 20, 2018, 09:49:29 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 25, 2018, 01:56:43 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE1-dKc6R_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE1-dKc6R_I)
Post by: SoggyGoat on May 25, 2018, 06:55:00 pm
But other than that I'm having fun. My mod is based on a popular licensed franchise which I will reveal when it's finished and it's kind of ironic to see a lot of the things that are played silly or cute within the franchise are much more disturbing within the context of DF.
Post by: peasant cretin on May 25, 2018, 07:42:15 pm
When your novice skill peasant can treat a bear like an XP farm punching bag, things just aren't quite right. Naturally, many large animals frown at this, alligators scowl, etc.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 25, 2018, 08:18:56 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 25, 2018, 08:31:48 pm
You could make them more muscular (increase the ratio of muscle vs skin and fat), give them higher average strength values, and maybe low natural skills to compensate.
Post by: peasant cretin on May 25, 2018, 08:47:26 pm
Part of the discrepency is probably that all animals share the same skin/muscle/fat/bone tissue ratios and bodypart relsizes and attribute values that humans have, when in reality thats not the case; some species just pack more muscle and less fat per cubic centimeter than humans do. So df is treating every animal like its just a different-sized quadrapedal human.
You could make them more muscular (increase the ratio of muscle vs skin and fat), give them higher average strength values, and maybe low natural skills to compensate.
Ah.
IIRC size magnifies everything else (ie. large dwarf ragdolls average human, can meet grappling STR for some night trolls), so for "giant" animals perhaps that'll be enough.
I'd been thinking maybe this to start:
[NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:7]
[NATURAL_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT:1]
[NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:2]
[NATURAL_SKILL:TRACKING:3]
[NATURAL_SKILL:SNEAK:3]
And having say 3 tiers, skill lvl 2 = adequate, skill 4 is skilled, skill 6 is talented = you get a night trollish animal biter. But yeah, pretty undecided about it all.
Don't even recall/know if the sneak/tracking will impact game play. You always find the historical animal before it finds you.
Post by: ZM5 on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 am
Post by: scourge728 on May 28, 2018, 01:09:13 pm
Post by: ZM5 on May 28, 2018, 02:19:25 pm
Post by: IndigoFenix on May 28, 2018, 11:50:41 pm
Speaking of, it seems allowing anacondas to grapple with their tails doesn't make them any less pathetic when tagged with a titan tooth spear...
Snake tails are very small though. Allow them to grapple with their bodies instead. Nothing will break that grip.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 29, 2018, 10:59:46 am
Speaking of, it seems allowing anacondas to grapple with their tails doesn't make them any less pathetic when tagged with a titan tooth spear...
Snake tails are very small though. Allow them to grapple with their bodies instead. Nothing will break that grip.
Does grip strength actually have anything to do with body-part size though? Last I checked the only factors were overall creature size, strength, and wrestling skill (with the first factor being disproportionately important).
EDIT: No, t͎͈̟̼͈͉h̹̠̫é̼̮̜̹͇y̨͈̯̱ ̸̮͎̹̳̲̹d̫͕̤̥̹͚͠ͅo̱̝n͇̤̰̪͙'̢̮̟̼̻ͅt̩͚̳̜͎͕̖.̘̳
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173908541088858113/451054022372098048/remove_kebab.png)
Post by: Eric Blank on June 01, 2018, 03:24:26 pm
It takes a long ass time and i cant decide what i want the creatures to be, if anything. Does a monster that includes all of the materials in a mod like my regional interactions and creatures make a good megabeast? Would that many poisons be overdoing it?
Post by: Aurum System on June 01, 2018, 05:14:44 pm
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on June 01, 2018, 06:32:33 pm
Making some long overdue changes to how i handle materials in all my mods. Gotta put them in a creature instead of organics, ive been lazy. Too many forgotten beasts made of weird things...
It takes a long ass time and i cant decide what i want the creatures to be, if anything.
You can leave custom materials that make sense as an INORGANIC by just adding [SPECIAL] this won't make them Candy Spires or Circus Floor, as both [DEEP_*] Tags make use of [SPECIAL] this ensures civs and RNG stay away from that material. For me it's normally Quick Silver (Mercury) or thinks like Oil of Vitriol (Sulfuric Acid) altho a FB made of acid would sound cool, it'd be too weak to be of use
But if you do have stuff that is supposed to be organic (Flesh, meat, etc) it's better to put it in a creature. For me it just eases my paranoia that something won't get stockpiled correctly, or used in a job right. I know the tags like IMPLIED_ANIMAL_KILL and some STOCKPILE_ options are there, but I feel better if I can just setup a creature to house materials, Plus if I'm making fire-proof stuff I can just do SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL and tweak the TEMP settings
Post by: Enemy post on June 01, 2018, 06:37:57 pm
Post by: squamous on June 03, 2018, 06:11:30 am
Yes this works in fortress mode as well as adventure mode. If you steal a slab, you can have your dwarves (or whatever race you play as) read it and start a martial artist dojo.
Post by: TomiTapio on June 03, 2018, 06:53:38 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note the [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] --new with 0.42.xx: wild creature can join a civilization.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 03, 2018, 11:24:52 am
Punches also seem to have no change except a smaller contact area, which I think is a straight upgrade in the same way that smaller contact area is generally good for weapons.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 04, 2018, 11:59:59 am
Ive been plugging away at writing up some semi-deities that represent the source of power of some of the schools of magic in my spellcrafts mod. Im reimagining all of the details to make that work, and im not sure if i like it much. But the details of making it anything more than an industrial reaction to make special stuff will always escape me i guess. What would an avatar of hyazir even be, anyway? A golem made of ever-burning water ice?
Maybe instead of deities ill just use golems you can "construct"?
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 05, 2018, 01:46:16 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 12, 2018, 01:07:46 am
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* Reworked strawberries, fisher berries, prickle berries, and sun berries to behave sanely.
* Made pod-bearing plants work like rock nuts instead.
* Converted abaca and banana trees into shrubs so they'd actually show up.
* Fixed cave floaters and cave blobs having megabeast-tier skin.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 12, 2018, 11:31:43 am
Like pawns from dragons dogma, kinda. Or living zombies. Thinking about ways to acquire them other than buying them off caravans and breeding them. Maybe wizards can turn goats and stuff into mindless, soulless people or something.
Theres also gotta be a way to show that most non-slaving civilizations, like normal dwarves, believe this to be unethical, while still technically allowing the player to do it. Something that gives your dwarves bad thoughts for making them do this.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on June 12, 2018, 01:53:17 pm
Made soulless servants for the wizard entities. Humans that literally lack personal will or ambition, feel no real emotions and are immune to stress and totally obedient, making them the perfect servants and guards for mad magic scientists to use. 90% of them can learn and speak despite lacking personality, the rest can only be war trained.
Like pawns from dragons dogma, kinda. Or living zombies. Thinking about ways to acquire them other than buying them off caravans and breeding them. Maybe wizards can turn goats and stuff into mindless, soulless people or something.
Theres also gotta be a way to show that most non-slaving civilizations, like normal dwarves, believe this to be unethical, while still technically allowing the player to do it. Something that gives your dwarves bad thoughts for making them do this.
You can make "slaved" creatures give bad thoughts via interaction on greeting for those that would find it unethical. So players that do make use of such things would be keeping the normal folks from the slaved folks. Giving off that whole illusion that no one knows of the evil that is fueling the fortress.
ZM5 runs into the issue of traded folks not properly integrating into the civ/fort. And transforming something that is a PET doesn't remove the PET flags. You could make special POP_RATIO:1 breeder castes in the slaves that are tradeable (or can transform pets into to) and their children are the sapient citizens
Post by: Eric Blank on June 12, 2018, 02:36:07 pm
The question though with the slave species is, how can i ensure people of different civs have different reactions? The game doesnt yet support ethics based decision making/reactions to situations or people/species. Maybe if the wizards (these are normal dwarves/humans species wise, just a different civilization) have an ubitquitous food or drink that delivers a syndrome that makes them an invalid target to the soulless slaves interaction, but should that be permanent or what?
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on June 12, 2018, 03:59:11 pm
if you know what races should be more or less affected, then you can tailor syndrome portions to those type (filter by who interaction can affect, then filter by SYNDROME for the effects on what reaches that audience)
Post by: ZM5 on June 30, 2018, 09:10:50 am
Post by: Asin on June 30, 2018, 10:41:00 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on July 01, 2018, 08:14:31 am
Expanding this to some SKILL:PIKE melee units. A melee unit with a maul, which I now have as a slow 4:4 3K velocity 50 contact blunt KO unit, might also generate with a set like "maul/large dagger" which pretty much takes us into the whole Swiss Army knife universe that pollaxes inhabit. Not what I have for pollaxe, but for example, a vanilla-oriented pollaxe is pretty much war hammer + pick + large dagger (top spike) + large dagger (butt spike).
Not doing a combat overhaul as Sver, Grimlocke and others have a better more comprehensive vision. Why remake the wheel? Though the thinking for SKILL:PIKE melee units that I have, regarding AI concerns and player advantage in Adventure Mode, is they generally need to make overwhelming first contact, or your tick counting adventurer Kisat Durs them into the ground.
There's often no way to work around certain core factors that heavily influence outcomes. Kinda brings me to upping halfling size from 30k to somewhere around 40-45. At their current 30K size, hardy halflings crumple like kobolds when struck by 60K dorf/elf/gobbo. Not very sturdy at all. A stat like toughness can't change the value swing of size.
Post by: Warlord255 on July 11, 2018, 11:13:20 pm
Got done with the things for my horror pack update. Should be pretty interesting to deal with - wild ones will have a chance of infecting creatures on attacks, at which point there'll be a chance the infected will transform into a berserk thing once in combat - meanwhile there'll also be ones formed by deity curses, which may or may not visit forts - I'm not sure what'd be a good non-obvious way to spread the infection though - for now if you drink or even make skin contact with the imitator's blood there's a chance for infection.
Sneezes worked well for my Plump Helmet Plague. Have a long-cooldown "greet" or "clean self" interaction that spews a spore cloud - with a chance to infect others with the same, as well as a chance to infect with a worse progression of the disease. A tier or two of progressive infection later, hideous transformation!
Post by: EpicMadness on July 11, 2018, 11:40:36 pm
ever seen a drunk cat?
edit: on a side note, this seems to have made it potentially lethal, i've a few cats and dogs that died from alcohol poisoning.
Post by: ZM5 on July 12, 2018, 03:53:43 am
so... i replaced the bee's vermin_bite material from VENOM to MEAD and ended up with the most hilarious hive.Yeah, you need to make the injected concentration lower - when I first made alementals for my Warcraft pack, their bites would inject alcohol into the blood and due to the concentration being too high the bite would always result in lethal alcohol poisoning.
ever seen a drunk cat?
edit: on a side note, this seems to have made it potentially lethal, i've a few cats and dogs that died from alcohol poisoning.
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 05:12:42 am
so... i replaced the bee's vermin_bite material from VENOM to MEAD and ended up with the most hilarious hive.Yeah, you need to make the injected concentration lower - when I first made alementals for my Warcraft pack, their bites would inject alcohol into the blood and due to the concentration being too high the bite would always result in lethal alcohol poisoning.
ever seen a drunk cat?
edit: on a side note, this seems to have made it potentially lethal, i've a few cats and dogs that died from alcohol poisoning.
how low is "lower" exactly?
i'm trying to make my bees somewhat lethal but it'll require seriously prolonged exposure.
Post by: ZM5 on July 12, 2018, 05:18:20 am
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 07:07:35 am
this makes sure that getting away from the source would drastically lessen the lethality.
technically this should be 80% of 5:5 concentration with the basic syndrome, but the lengthened duration makes for a much more potent stacking effect.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 12, 2018, 12:52:14 pm
Meanwhile in Adventurecraft, I only recently realized that I didn't apply the saner DWF_STRETCH to plant potions like I did with other stuff. So now barbed haze will make you go berserk a lil more properly.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 12, 2018, 05:13:44 pm
I tried to make a shrub with log and spear shaped growths. Waiting to find out if that actually worked. The errorlog doesnt like the spear one, though. I guess it cant accept an item group and subgroup? More after i actually encounter one of these things. I want to gnow what sort of item growths work.
Maybe it can grow bees?
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on July 12, 2018, 06:32:28 pm
Aw man why didnt i think of laying bee swarms...
I tried to make a shrub with log and spear shaped growths. Waiting to find out if that actually worked. The errorlog doesnt like the spear one, though. I guess it cant accept an item group and subgroup? More after i actually encounter one of these things. I want to gnow what sort of item growths work.
Maybe it can grow bees?
Bee Berry Bush :P
Weird since GROWTHs have [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:LEAF] I'd assume you could set it with ITEM_SUBTYPEs as well maybe you typo'd?
Post by: scourge728 on July 12, 2018, 10:14:36 pm
Post by: EpicMadness on July 12, 2018, 10:50:39 pm
Post by: Enemy post on July 14, 2018, 08:08:04 pm
It doesn't seem to be a real issue, but I'm not sure where the problem is coming from. Here's one of the creatures as an example, does anyone see what's wrong.
[CREATURE:STARDESTROYER]
[NAME:star destroyer:star destroyers:star destroyer]
[CREATURE_TILE:'V'][COLOR:7:0:0]
[FANCIFUL]
[DOES_NOT_EXIST]
[PREFSTRING:resemblence to pizza]
[PREFSTRING:ominous shadows]
[PREFSTRING:gigantic wreckage]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
Post by: overseer05-15 on July 14, 2018, 09:02:40 pm
I'm trying to update my mods. I noticed that my "mythical"/not actually real creatures leave "nothings" in the list of creatures available in the art menus. It has something to do with their castes.
It doesn't seem to be a real issue, but I'm not sure where the problem is coming from. Here's one of the creatures as an example, does anyone see what's wrong.
[CREATURE:STARDESTROYER]
[NAME:star destroyer:star destroyers:star destroyer]
[CREATURE_TILE:'V'][COLOR:7:0:0]
[FANCIFUL]
[DOES_NOT_EXIST]
[PREFSTRING:resemblence to pizza]
[PREFSTRING:ominous shadows]
[PREFSTRING:gigantic wreckage]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
Castename is missing.
Post by: Enemy post on July 14, 2018, 10:17:21 pm
*Alright, that works. It doubles the names instead of making them nothings, but that's an improvement.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 15, 2018, 01:02:15 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 15, 2018, 04:56:19 pm
In other mods, this mountain boar semi-megabeast is insanely tough to kill and deadly as hell. The fairy kings not so much. They get their asses handed to them by unarmed recruits.
And im trying to create enough underground vegetation that not all underground regions have all plants. I dont have a number to aim for, really, but it obviously takes a lot, because with 30 every possible civ has access to every plant. And im running out of dumb ideas for plants.
Post by: TomiTapio on July 15, 2018, 11:30:28 pm
My cheese critters make more magic wax than cheese when butchered. It currently has no use, sits in the food stockpile in globs and doesnt rot. What should i do with it? Should it be an alchemy ingredient, or just be used to turn more normal critters into cheese critters?Magic wax, might make a wax coating for weapons, in form of magic wax gems. Refine wax to wax2 to wax gem/crystal. Maybe a shaman/alechemist toy item that can be only made from wax.
Wax figurines and statues at waxworks workshop?
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 16, 2018, 01:04:16 am
might make a wax coating for weapons
No practical reason for that, as decorations do not have any impact on combat.
Post by: peasant cretin on July 17, 2018, 12:16:13 am
My cheese critters make more magic wax than cheese when butchered. It currently has no use, sits in the food stockpile in globs and doesnt rot. What should i do with it? Should it be an alchemy ingredient, or just be used to turn more normal critters into cheese critters?
In other mods, this mountain boar semi-megabeast is insanely tough to kill and deadly as hell. The fairy kings not so much. They get their asses handed to them by unarmed recruits.
That's pretty cool. Was going to do a similar Calydonian Boar semi and a corresponding "Giant Stag" semi. Semi in size tho, but lvl 6 across for stats. From an adv mode POV, the vanilla power hierarchy has always been kinda messed up Demon > Angel/Weapon lord > bogeymen > mega/night troll/werebeast/titan/FB/mino > mid-tier bandit/spouse > other semi. I also tried putting in a Shelob-like GCS, but never found a record of one in Legends. Hmmm...
Re:wax, why not make it part of a type of cheesemaking? Could use it to get rid of rot/miasma. Long-haul cheese for midnight dwarven
Post by: Kraloth on July 20, 2018, 04:41:22 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on July 20, 2018, 06:28:52 pm
Re:wax, why not make it part of a type of cheesemaking? Could use it to get rid of rot/miasma. Long-haul cheese for midnight dwarventruckersadventurers.
Thats one possibility. Magic, aged cheese.
Should totally have a reaction to strip the magic from it to make plain bees wax for crafting. That sounds reasonable. Dunno what sort of toys wizards would play with.
So ive been wondering, since vermin count as items, and plant growths are items, can plants/trees grow vermin? It doesnt like weapons or armor it seems. This will require testing.
I already made a tree that grows muscle tissue as flesh, and im about to find out if my bonesprout shrubs really grow pickable log items made of bone. Maybe bushes that grow ivory "body parts"? I wonder if that would crash the game...
Post by: Asin on July 20, 2018, 09:36:55 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on July 20, 2018, 11:28:21 pm
Been trying to think of how to make an alcoholic soured milk drink work recently.To assist you, here's a "bucketful of milk into bucketful of hospital water".
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Maybe an approach of: two milk buckets in, any unrotten plant in, out comes one sourmilk_alcohol.
Can attach the alcohol material to a plant or a creature or have it be a lone material (just include [ALCOHOL_CREATURE] in your sourmilk_alc standalone material, I guess).
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on July 22, 2018, 07:12:32 am
The rest of them don't have any issues with creating musical forms, so it's either a resident plump helmet man reaching beyond it's role in life again, or a hobbit with it's tongue cut out.
Post by: peasant cretin on July 24, 2018, 11:51:18 pm
Made an inorganic fix temperature material called "soapy water" with all the soap tokens SOAP, SOAP_LEVEL, etc. Gave it a contact syndrome that temporarily boosts disease resistance and a good thought, to just register that it's working.
Added it to a reaction menu with 2-part instructions. One, how to get covered in soapy water, and two for the player to follow this with a cleaning interaction. The basic cat-derived cleaning interaction gives the hardcoded thought, "content after a bath."
So yeah, sandwich these two things together as I'm not sure how much "dirtiness level" is reduced just from the interaction alone and really don't know if being covered in liquid_misc with soap tokens will help.
Post by: Herodian on July 30, 2018, 03:56:09 pm
Post by: Enemy post on July 31, 2018, 12:34:50 am
Post by: TomiTapio on July 31, 2018, 03:14:10 am
I'm gathering that the only way to transform an individual within a fort to another caste is with dfhack shenaniganry
Could try a reaction in a workshop that releases a syndrome-cloud. And the cloud _alters_ attributes, see http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome#Special_Effects
Messenger: CE_SPEED_CHANGE run faster
Soldier: CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE strength, endurance
Bard, sage, clerk: CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE better memory and learning
CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION : "Transforms into another creature." (but their personality and xp and attributes probably reset to random...)
Post by: Herodian on July 31, 2018, 07:25:23 am
CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION : "Transforms into another creature." (but their personality and xp and attributes probably reset to random...)
It's worth a go, at least. Thanks!
Post by: Nahere on July 31, 2018, 02:22:21 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on August 01, 2018, 03:51:12 am
Post by: Enemy post on August 01, 2018, 10:49:49 am
Post by: ZM5 on August 01, 2018, 11:34:04 am
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Post by: Sver on August 02, 2018, 07:19:10 am
Although I've run all the calculations using the ranged momentum formula from the wiki, it would be really handy to have some way of measuring the precise momentum in the game - you never know which values DF may be rounding up and in what direction. Also, I'm not sure if the projectile's velocity has any actual effect on combat, when the momentum is constant.
Post by: peasant cretin on August 02, 2018, 03:36:10 pm
So, over the past weekend, having had the idea to put in chocolate, I was led to the sweet pod raws (milled sugar and extracts), and there I actually learned something, instead of stumbling about in my usual modding haze: I could shift as much of the food/drink reactions from inorganic to plant, to avoid a world where some of the inorganics chosen for town building aren't meat stew.
So yup, plenty of clean up.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 02, 2018, 03:50:37 pm
Currently testing a new rebalance for ranged weapons. By design, bows now will loose velocity from heavier (e.g. silver) projectiles, but have a constant momentum, while crossbows will have a constant velocity, but gain momentum from heavier projectiles.I would bet someone made a dfhack plugin that can measure velocity of objects, just to measure velocity and momentum of minecarts. try the dfhack thread maybe?
Although I've run all the calculations using the ranged momentum formula from the wiki, it would be really handy to have some way of measuring the precise momentum in the game - you never know which values DF may be rounding up and in what direction. Also, I'm not sure if the projectile's velocity has any actual effect on combat, when the momentum is constant.
Presumably velocity measures only travel time, so long as the objects mass makes up for the difference in momentum, so if a projectile moves too slowly, maybe it will miss just because the target is no longer there? idk if things can be that slow, though.
I'm fighting with making a fish vermin with dozens of castes that each must be made of a single material with a syndrome attached to it, for spellcrafts purposes. So each one needs to have its own material and tissue defined, needs to have a unique ID etc. Its a pain in the arse tbh but fish items inherit their caste's name with no further modifiers which makes it easy to ensure the name is correct. Meat items want to be called "[species] [material] chops" and thats just annoying to work with.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on August 02, 2018, 05:18:07 pm
You can make your life easier by making a CV that adds a new meat material with a _suffix plus a tissue that also comes with a _suffix followed by a [TISSUE_MATERIAL:meat-id_suffix] then layer the meat tissue.
Then layer on you can just use SELECT_MATERIAL:MUSCLE_SUFFIX and add your syndromes to it.
example (which you can probably use as is)
Code: [Select]
Arg1 is the suffix
[CREATURE_VARIATION:ADD_SUFFIXED_MEAT_TISSUE_LAYER]
--create suffixed material and tissue, and assign tissue material
[CV_NEW_TAG:USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE_!ARG1:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
[CV_NEW_TAG:USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE_!ARG1:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
[CV_NEW_TAG:TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MUSCLE_!ARG1]
--Layer suffixed muscle
[CV_NEW_TAG:TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:MUSCLE_!ARG1]you'd use it in the caste like:
Code: [Select]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ADD_SUFFIXED_MEAT_TISSUE_LAYER:TOXIC]which would make the meat material MUSCLE_TOXIC, make the tissue MUSCLE_TOXIC which then instantly uses the new material. And then layers everything with MUSCLE_TOXIC
then at the end you can just use [SELECT_MATERIAL:MUSCLE_TOXIC] --Add syndromes here
Post by: Eric Blank on August 02, 2018, 05:35:19 pm
It definitely works, thanks. The game doesnt seem to have a problem with that many castes or anything which is nice.
Post by: peasant cretin on August 06, 2018, 05:25:48 pm
Originally I had varying types of coffee/tea as plant extracts for adventurer crafting reactions, but taverns don't use extracts, so everything is once again a drink.
Also a very odd thing happened in a test world where a marksdwarf was world-genned with an equipment item from ENTITY:SUBTERRANEAN_ANIMAL_PEOPLES, despite being from ENTITY:MOUNTAIN. Definitely odd.
Post by: Enemy post on August 06, 2018, 08:14:36 pm
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I hadn't realized just how many more types of creatures there are in most Savage biomes before.
Post by: Caz on August 07, 2018, 05:43:30 am
Post by: TomiTapio on August 07, 2018, 05:58:14 am
is there a way to allow a creature to mine without having a pickaxe equipped?Invader creatures and cave creatures can not dig. It's a citizen labor, invading army cannot dig. Yet.
It's a design decision that only pick-using citizens can dig.
In my modding, I'm racking up TODO entries...
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For some reason, I spent a while tallying up creature diversity in every biome. If somebody wants to read over the results, here they are.GIANT variants account for most of the savage creatures, I suppose. Giant versions of tiny insects too.
I hadn't realized just how many more types of creatures there are in most Savage biomes before.
Post by: Caz on August 07, 2018, 06:01:32 am
is there a way to allow a creature to mine without having a pickaxe equipped?Invader creatures and cave creatures can not dig. It's a citizen labor, invading army cannot dig. Yet.
It's a design decision that only pick-using citizens can dig.
Wasn't there a way to do digging invaders through dfhack or did I imagine that?
Really puts a damper on antman fort if they have to use pickaxes :( shame
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on August 07, 2018, 12:20:36 pm
*ahem* (http://dfhack.readthedocs.io/en/stable/docs/Plugins.html#digginginvaders). No idea if it still works, but I was considering using it myself at some stage, so tell me how it goes.is there a way to allow a creature to mine without having a pickaxe equipped?Invader creatures and cave creatures can not dig. It's a citizen labor, invading army cannot dig. Yet.
It's a design decision that only pick-using citizens can dig.
Wasn't there a way to do digging invaders through dfhack or did I imagine that?
Really puts a damper on antman fort if they have to use pickaxes :( shame
Post by: Abyzou on August 08, 2018, 09:25:45 pm
The first thing I made was an Elfen Lied mod that gives dwarves/humans an extremely rare Diclonius caste with extra body parts (vectors - made of slade!) that can tear enemies apart. And a random chance to give themselves a syndrome making them CRAZED :D
After testing in the arena, I find that they can wipe the floor with groups of up to four unarmed humans without injury (though groups larger than 6 do result in the Diclonius getting injured - and a large enough group will eventually kill them). I'm trying to think of how to make them more lethal while still keeping them faithful to the source material (e.g. no super strength or cotton candy skin or anything like that).
Edit: Ok so after tripling the number of vectors, and adding [ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:10000], [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:10000] and [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK] to the vector attack, my Diclonius has become far more deadly in combat, able to reduce crowds to minced meat in moments. Unfortunately she's still vulnerable in melee - in one arena test run a human killed her with a lucky punch to the upper body. The main issue is she has to be right next to her target to use her vectors (whereas in the anime/manga the vectors were long enough to kill from a certain distance). Oh well...
Post by: Enemy post on August 08, 2018, 10:56:00 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on August 09, 2018, 05:20:54 am
The main issue is she has to be right next to her target to use her vectors (whereas in the anime/manga the vectors were long enough to kill from a certain distance). Oh well...A breath attack that does a little stun, and the breath attack can be used every other turn?
Post by: Abyzou on August 09, 2018, 05:35:15 am
The main issue is she has to be right next to her target to use her vectors (whereas in the anime/manga the vectors were long enough to kill from a certain distance). Oh well...A breath attack that does a little stun, and the breath attack can be used every other turn?
Well... I'm trying to remain as faithful to the anime/manga as possible, and a ranged breath attack wouldn't accurately replicate the effect (the vectors are supposed to be like physical limbs, not projectiles/beams/etc. They have to physically grab and rip things apart). Also a breath attack would leave residue everywhere.
My overall intention was to have the Diclonius be pretty much unbeatable in melee (except against another Diclonius), but could be taken out by ranged weapons (e.g. crossbow bolt to the brain :D ).
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on August 09, 2018, 04:03:43 pm
Post by: Abyzou on August 09, 2018, 04:52:19 pm
can make the "breath" attack just a direct interaction that just stuns for a sec to allow them to get in range
That could work. It's not an ability they're supposed to have, but I suppose I have to take some creative liberties to make it work :-\. I also had to add NOEXERT to stop her from getting tired out from using her vectors.
On the plus side, my Diclonius is an absolute Terminator even without a stun ability, sending opponents flying across the arena with a single blow.
Edit: Worked like a charm. The Diclonius is now totally invincible in melee combat - anything that gets within one tile of them is instantly paralyzed, and open to attack. Your only real hope of killing one is with ranged weapons (or getting it to accidentally dodge off a cliff or into magma etc...).
Post by: TomiTapio on August 10, 2018, 03:31:34 pm
Post by: Abyzou on August 10, 2018, 05:10:26 pm
I think OldGen's mind flayers could use that direct interaction, could you share the successfully tested one?
I kind of just went with an interaction that inflicts a paralysis syndrome for a short amount of time. I'm not sure what it means to "stun" someone with an interaction.
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It seems to suit my purposes just fine, and stops non-Diclonius opponents from killing the Diclonius in melee - leaving ranged attacks the preferred option.
Post by: peasant cretin on August 11, 2018, 03:17:46 pm
Well... I'm trying to remain as faithful to the anime/manga as possible, and a ranged breath attack wouldn't accurately replicate the effect (the vectors are supposed to be like My overall intention was to have the Diclonius be pretty much unbeatable in melee (except against another Diclonius), but could be taken out by ranged weapons (e.g. crossbow bolt to the brain :D ).
Perhaps you could just take ticks off the ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3?
At 1:1 an opposing melee unit would never get a chance to respond. A ranged unit (depending on skill) would have 1-2 shots at 20 tile distance (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#VIEWRANGE) before the Diclonius gets to vector-maul them.
Post by: Abyzou on August 11, 2018, 04:17:27 pm
Well... I'm trying to remain as faithful to the anime/manga as possible, and a ranged breath attack wouldn't accurately replicate the effect (the vectors are supposed to be like My overall intention was to have the Diclonius be pretty much unbeatable in melee (except against another Diclonius), but could be taken out by ranged weapons (e.g. crossbow bolt to the brain :D ).
Perhaps you could just take ticks off the ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3?
At 1:1 an opposing melee unit would never get a chance to respond. A ranged unit (depending on skill) would have 1-2 shots at 20 tile distance (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#VIEWRANGE) before the Diclonius gets to vector-maul them.
I did that. It seems to work fine against single enemies. Not so much against crowds - the Diclonius usually gets injured against groups larger than six (sometimes fatally). So I feel the stun attack is still necessary.
Post by: peasant cretin on August 11, 2018, 07:51:44 pm
Well... I'm trying to remain as faithful to the anime/manga as possible, and a ranged breath attack wouldn't accurately replicate the effect (the vectors are supposed to be like My overall intention was to have the Diclonius be pretty much unbeatable in melee (except against another Diclonius), but could be taken out by ranged weapons (e.g. crossbow bolt to the brain :D ).
Perhaps you could just take ticks off the ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3?
At 1:1 an opposing melee unit would never get a chance to respond. A ranged unit (depending on skill) would have 1-2 shots at 20 tile distance (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#VIEWRANGE) before the Diclonius gets to vector-maul them.
I did that. It seems to work fine against single enemies. Not so much against crowds - the Diclonius usually gets injured against groups larger than six (sometimes fatally). So I feel the stun attack is still necessary.
Ah. I must have misread. Sorry about that.
But yeah, NPC combat AI sucks: if NPC can path to enemy, then path followed by targeting for attacks of opportunity(!)/adjusted for armor_level. Ignore all else -_-
I had mucked around with making an animal god, and it kinda needed the slade skin & legendary skill sets along with the 1:1.
Post by: Demonic Gophers on August 13, 2018, 05:02:51 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on August 14, 2018, 06:08:13 am
Apparently world gen doesn't like pets with the LIGHT_GEN tag.Good find. I have glowfrogs with pet_exotic that aren't pets very often. And a light_gen dwarf caste (pyrokinetic forge masters, Obsidian Clan).
I had worldgen crash from hyena male and female castes being declared twice. The "finalizing sites" stage crash. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10548#bugnotes
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on August 15, 2018, 07:09:44 pm
Also streamlined some creatures, with the help from other fellow modders, shout out to NewtonSolo who is also streamlining plants.
Now I'm thinking of streamlining and adding more blobs/slimes.
Post by: Splint on August 17, 2018, 08:23:25 am
Upside is I have a building and some new materials and reactions sorted. Hopefully.
Post by: ZM5 on August 17, 2018, 11:50:39 am
Actually pretty excited to work on the Kul Tiras stuff since the wicker constructs (https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/c/c8/Wicker_golem1.jpg?version=e4a977d779279fc97bd77bd3e593bd7f) from it are more my style, along with the weird half-plant versions of animals (https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/5/5f/Ulfar.jpg?version=387445fb5841177c97d09b2044eb1c31). Then it's just the civilized races and megabeasts which is actually gonna be pretty fun.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 17, 2018, 11:47:11 pm
Hat tricks is all the game really gives at the moment, or so it sometimes seems.
So their evil counterparts, evil sorcerors, i wanted to work on too. They have some relatively powerful elemental spells to attack with, but otherwise are simply little men with a megabeast tag. An adventurer could just get a lucky shot and bean them with a fluffy wambler from a distance.
And in my fort there was this one critter, just a dumb animal in a pasture, that would occasionally cast a spell on itself. Not while it was in combat or anything, and i have no idea how it could have gotten hold of a magic essence or anything. And i was never visited by a wizard. Not even one of my dwarves knew magic because i hadnt been testing those reactions. But here gobbles the fucking magic turkey.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on August 18, 2018, 01:19:48 am
...
And in my fort there was this one critter, just a dumb animal in a pasture, that would occasionally cast a spell on itself. Not while it was in combat or anything, and i have no idea how it could have gotten hold of a magic essence or anything. And i was never visited by a wizard. Not even one of my dwarves knew magic because i hadnt been testing those reactions. But here gobbles the fucking magic turkey.
What is the usage hint that is just randomly casts stuff? I've been dying to find a way to make interactions that trigger now and then or close to when I want them too for awhile now.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 18, 2018, 06:32:14 pm
Post by: Enemy post on September 19, 2018, 04:42:06 pm
Post by: Lethildiren on September 20, 2018, 12:54:59 pm
Anyway. So, I'm trying to make a mod adding in a new type of creature based off of humanity, with its own unique (flimsy) tissue and material layers. (You'll probably be able to guess the inspiration looking at the creature names in a second, of course.) Most of the new creature has gone swimmingly - their unique interactions work, their castes work, even their blood and corpses turning to dust in the air works perfectly. And then I load their raws up in any way, from the arena to worldgen, and this happens:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As I'm reasonably sure I applied all the new tissues and materials properly, I'm not quite sure what's going on and will need help from someone slightly more experienced than me. If you can make do with just the error messages, that's great, but I can also supply the actual files if they're needed.
...
I'm sorry, this is for funny anecdotes, isn't it? Uh.
Well, I made a skeletal machine gun last night. I think that counts for something.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 20, 2018, 01:52:51 pm
My own modding endeavors have made the next release look more and more distant, as I appear to be digging myself a bigger hole as I become more ambitious. I need to stop this somewhere.
One of the users requested that the mod be more openly modular in itself, that not all parts be necessarily installed simultaneously, and I thought that would be an easy enough thing to ensure, but as soon as reactions and entities and items become involved each file starts to become more and more dependent on the others, so I've only gotten as far as separating out the files that are necessary for everything else to function, the files that then work stand-alone from one-another so long as those base necessities are in place, and tossed the entities and reactions and stuff in their own bin where organization is becoming a pain in the ass. And while this is all good for modularity it's terrible for user friendliness because someone who doesnt understand how raws work at all will need special instructions that must themselves be easy to find, so they can install just the parts they want, if they dont want to go with the "just dump everything in the objects folder" option which of course has to be included. So the file structure for the modular option has to be carefully curated, and I'm a lazy git and have no skill whatsoever in planning or organizing anything so of course this takes forever.
And on top of that the need to modify vanilla game files to incorporate support for the mod better becomes more and more attractive, but that opens up the gateway to mod inter-compatibility hell that I always want to avoid, and users dont want to have to touch the raws themselves to fuse my mod with someone elses, and providing clear instructions for how to do that, especially for someone who doesnt understand the raw file structure themselves, is a nightmare.
I did successfully turn livestock into useful magical creatures/"enchanted furniture" in fortress mode, which is nice. But there was a crash occurring intermittently about that time in both modes of play that I havent sourced yet. I double checked the raws I was working on and they appear to be up to snuff as far as I can tell, but that just means its something I havent seen that's causing the crash which will be a bitch to find, again. Especially since the crash isnt exactly replicable, it's just happening apparently at random from what I can tell.
I want some mtn dew and doritos right about now. maybe a rubber ducky to talk to.
Post by: Lethildiren on September 20, 2018, 02:20:12 pm
It looks like you might have made a typo somewhere on the names of tissues defined versus where they're called for placement in the body detail plan. like maybe you defined a tissue called SKIN_MONSTROUS but in the detail plans you told it to look for one called SKIN_ONSTROUS or something. The program doesnt like typos, so I'd check for that first.No dice; everything (except the hair tissue, which was missing a "_T" I chucked at the end last night to differentiate it from the material) is exactly the same as the definitions in the files.
Manually defining everything from skin to cartilage didn't help, either - and, as VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS should cover everything the creature has, there's no good reason to change it. I am completely lost.
Well, at least it doesn't crash when I load the game.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 20, 2018, 02:34:04 pm
Post by: Lethildiren on September 20, 2018, 03:00:52 pm
...
I fixed it.
Now I just need to finish off entities and stuff, and I might have something vaguely release-worthy. Huh.
Post by: peasant cretin on September 21, 2018, 05:40:22 pm
Partially inspired by Hugo_The_Dwarf's New Mod Ideas thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168096.msg7848805#msg7848805) and the old immolation tackle attack from the now defunct MUD Grendel's Cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel%27s_Cave), I added in a primary tackling attack for golems:
Code: [Select]
[ATTACK:PUSH:BODYPART:CATEGORY:BODY_UPPER]
[ATTACK_SKILL:WRESTLING]
[ATTACK_VERB:tackle:tackles]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:200]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
It trains wrestling (though that's moot as these golems can't learn), but works like a strike:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kinda thinking about giving this to the regular adventurer types (human/dorf/elf/gobbo/gnome/halfling), minus the ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER. Not quite sure about NPC AIs having their attack menues loaded up with yet another attack, that will be the least good choice, given their penchant for attack of opportunity on non-vital targeted body parts.
Post by: Senator Jim Death on September 22, 2018, 04:17:15 pm
I was modding in a race with horns, and I thought to myself that, well, these horns should be used for butting instead of the more usual goring. That got me to thinking: why can't every creature with a head be capable of a headbutt? And there's no real reason they can't--it's just not something that's actually in the game. Development focus is on making an environment capable of doing all this stuff, rather than the stuff itself.
Anyhow, I'm not griping. It's active, long-term development, and that's all fine. In fact, it's really very admirable that the game is in any kind of playable condition at all, considering that there is major development planned for a decade out from now.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on September 22, 2018, 05:40:02 pm
Been playing around with golems. They're 100k sized versions of Toady's element men. Varieties are the folklorish clay and mud, plus two nods to Kingdom of Loathing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Loathing) in a meat golem and a hedge golem.
Partially inspired by Hugo_The_Dwarf's New Mod Ideas thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168096.msg7848805#msg7848805) and the old immolation tackle attack from the now defunct MUD Grendel's Cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel%27s_Cave), I added in a primary tackling attack for golems:
I have also made these attacks too:
Code: [Select]
[ATTACK:ELBOW_STRIKE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_LOWER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:strike:strikes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:1500]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:KNEE_STRIKE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LEG_LOWER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:strike:strikes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:2000]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:SHOULDER_TACKLE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_UPPER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:tackle:tackles]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:5000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:5000]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:LOWER_ARM_BASH:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_LOWER]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bash:bashes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:50]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:1250]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]You can probably tweak the prepare:recovery but should work for most means
Post by: Amdy_vill on September 25, 2018, 12:43:51 pm
Post by: vettlingr on September 25, 2018, 01:34:12 pm
And lots of other things
Post by: ZM5 on September 25, 2018, 05:14:35 pm
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on September 25, 2018, 09:06:24 pm
Very nice - dunno if I'm the only one, but to me it looks like its doing the "angry mom with hands on her hips" pose.You were the only one.
Now I can't unsee it.
Post by: scourge728 on September 25, 2018, 09:12:06 pm
sameVery nice - dunno if I'm the only one, but to me it looks like its doing the "angry mom with hands on her hips" pose.You were the only one.
Now I can't unsee it.
Post by: pikachu17 on September 25, 2018, 09:32:25 pm
me too. also, pyramid.sameVery nice - dunno if I'm the only one, but to me it looks like its doing the "angry mom with hands on her hips" pose.You were the only one.
Now I can't unsee it.
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 25, 2018, 09:43:18 pm
Very nice - dunno if I'm the only one, but to me it looks like its doing the "angry mom with hands on her hips" pose.To me it looks like it’s putting its hands behind its head as if lying on the floor.
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on September 25, 2018, 09:58:54 pm
I see what you mean. It depends on whether you look at the middle set of horn/claw like things as claws coming from the hands or horns protruding from just below the shoulders (and whether the shoulders are at eye height or just above hip height).Very nice - dunno if I'm the only one, but to me it looks like its doing the "angry mom with hands on her hips" pose.To me it looks like it’s putting its hands behind its head as if lying on the floor.
This is becoming far more confusing than a lizard-toad-demon-thing sprite has any right to be.
Post by: vettlingr on September 25, 2018, 10:24:26 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on September 25, 2018, 10:50:55 pm
Been playing around with golems. They're 100k sized versions of Toady's element men. Varieties are the folklorish clay and mud, plus two nods to Kingdom of Loathing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Loathing) in a meat golem and a hedge golem.
Partially inspired by Hugo_The_Dwarf's New Mod Ideas thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168096.msg7848805#msg7848805) and the old immolation tackle attack from the now defunct MUD Grendel's Cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel%27s_Cave), I added in a primary tackling attack for golems:
I have also made these attacks too:Code: [Select][ATTACK:ELBOW_STRIKE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_LOWER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:strike:strikes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:1500]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:KNEE_STRIKE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LEG_LOWER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:strike:strikes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:2000]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:SHOULDER_TACKLE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_UPPER:BY_TYPE:JOINT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:MELEE_COMBAT]
[ATTACK_VERB:tackle:tackles]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:5000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:5000]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:LOWER_ARM_BASH:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:ARM_LOWER]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bash:bashes]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:50]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:1250]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
You can probably tweak the prepare:recovery but should work for most means
Those are nice! Also had no idea attack names could be defined like that, which is why I had PUSH, but have renamed as TACKLE:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MrOrangeHorseman on September 26, 2018, 12:16:26 am
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on September 26, 2018, 03:53:24 am
- Multi-shot projectile weapons e.g. shotguns
- Proper interaction based projectile weapons that can shoot things other than globs by swapping them out for one or more other items, including conventional projectiles
Right now I have copied the rate of fire script and am altering the boilerplate argument validation/processing to something appropriate for the multi-shot script, which is the boring crap I have to do before getting to the meat and potatoes of actually writing the code spawning projectiles. I will probably need to write another more general purpose script that can alter projectile velocities (to avoid overloading the multi-shot script any more than it will be already), but after that I should be able to convert all the super-heavy metallic glob interaction based projectile weapons in FoE:R to real bullet lobbers, make laser and plasma weapons behave like laser and plasma weapons should, and also throw in automatic shotguns while I am at it because why not.
The nice thing is that with the framework I have, scripts can be mix and matched in ways that are really powerful. I have plans down the line to add a script that can alter items on the firing unit, and this can be used to, for example, change a worn "rifle grenade pouch(frag)" into an "empty pouch" and set the firer's firing delay appropriately when a "grenade" glob is fired, with a tag thrown on that is looked for by a "replace a grenade glob with a frag grenade when the 'grenade_frag' tag is present". Combine that with a "rifle+underbarrel grenade launcher" item that has an item-trigger script associated with it that grants a "launch grenade" glob interaction and another script to spawn a bunch of projectiles on top of a grenade impact to simulate a fragmentation warhead, and you have a really neat weapon.
As far as less "modern warfarey" style stuff goes, I believe it would also be possible to, with the appropriate scripts, make "throwing knife" ammo (or shurikens or whatever) give a glob interaction through item-trigger, and when a knife glob is thrown the following procedure happens:
- check the unit's skill, and assign tags appropriately
- have up to several scripts run (based which skill tags are present), that create more identical globs with a bit of spread
- for each glob, remove a knife from inventory (if present) and add tags that describe that knife
- for each glob with knife tags, replace it with a knife projectile, otherwise just delete the glob
- for each knife, check if there is a piece of ammo carried by the firer called a "poison vial" and remove one unit of ammo if there is (adding tags appropriately)
- for each knife with poison tags, run a script that compares those poison tags to a predefined list of poisons, and add a poison coating of the appropriate kind to the knife based on the material of the poison vial.
Post by: Eric Blank on October 04, 2018, 05:46:46 pm
And of course these can only be made via special reactions, so i have to make reactions for each one. And then comes the reactions to spit out the same items with a special material, which dont all make sense.
Post by: ZM5 on October 05, 2018, 07:01:08 pm
Post by: Enemy post on October 21, 2018, 10:07:33 pm
I was in the object testing arena, testing things, when I finally found proof that it's actually possible to have literal werewolves.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Asin on October 21, 2018, 10:34:32 pm
Most of Suba's history is his subjects getting suspicious that he's not appearing to age, laying down oppressive laws, then removing the laws, then it repeats. He's been doing this practically every season for about 144 years ever since his placement into the throne in 56.
Post by: Eric Blank on October 22, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
Part of the new mod design demands different options for entities, so im including my old Evil civilizations mod. Picking a non-vanilla option will now require replacing at least the vanilla creature_standard file, because im gonna have to replace the normal playable races and megabeasts
Post by: ZM5 on October 24, 2018, 11:50:52 am
I'm thinking of doing some touch-ups to vanilla megabeasts after I'm done with this to make them more in-line with the other ones I do, since the vanilla ones feel unthreatening by comparison - stuff like making minotaurs larger and giving them unarmed combat skills as well and maybe an enrage interaction, cyclopes having stuff like tusks and horns along with some interactions, bronze colossi having different castes made of different metals, etc. Think lastly I'll just do some minor creature additions to my main pack.
Post by: pikachu17 on October 27, 2018, 02:48:09 pm
I've been playing this game for about six years, and I've never seen this before.Yeah, when you enter arena mode, it procedurally generates one were. You just happened to get a wolf.
I was in the object testing arena, testing things, when I finally found proof that it's actually possible to have literal werewolves.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enemy post on October 27, 2018, 05:43:00 pm
I've even intentionally restarted Arena mode over and over to try and generate a wolf, but it didn't work at the time.
Post by: Sver on November 16, 2018, 06:35:04 am
For context, all troops are equiped with shields, so there is no wrestling removal of armor going on - that would otherwise prompt removing the helmet and attacking the head of an unconscious opponent. All troops have Professional skill in Weapon, Fighter, Observer, Wrestler, Armor User and Discipline.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 16, 2018, 02:30:12 pm
Now ive had some bizarre behavior recently too, and i cant find a reason for it;
I made these neat war animals, like a giant crocodile with four grasping forelimbs, sextudiles (sextuple-crocodiles, for six legs, get it? Sextudiles) Now when i generated the world they were war animals, but not a large_predator or prone_to_rage, noemotion, nofear killers, which i added when i saw the adult, war-trained animals running away from intruders instead of attacking them.
Now theyre aggressive and go after intruders like theyre supposed to. However, when i penned all the hatchlings in into my depot enclosure and let a couple goblins in, they went totally nuts. Not just on the goblins, but each-other. The goblins got torn to shreds and only did meager damage to a few, but the sextudile hatchlings continued to tear each-other to pieces. In the end 10 or so were dead and i butchered a few more that lost the ability to stand.
Later i had a werebeast visitor transform in the middle of the tavern. Not just that werebeast but every visitor in the tavern at the time went mental and started attacking dwarves (which is anomolous but id chalk it up to the visitors being from the same civ as the werebeast and siding with it when dwarves recognized it as a threat, somehow). Dwarves fled the tavern into the sextudile pen, visiting mercenaries followed, and the sextudiles again attacked the mercenaries and then one-another. These were war-trainwd adults, the parents of the crazed hatchlings.
I still have no idea why theyre doing this. It doesnt make sense.
Post by: Jerry The Hellbound on November 17, 2018, 01:21:16 pm
Specifically crashing when entering towns. Anyone know what's happening?
Post by: Eric Blank on November 17, 2018, 03:17:43 pm
Post by: Sver on November 22, 2018, 03:36:09 pm
Maybe it relates to the mechanic that shows you, in adventure mode, which body parts are currently the easiest/hardest targets? Body armor adds difficulty to hit on the body parts it covers, and the ai is choosing the easiest targets?
Checked this out and nope, seems like the usual hit chance distribution to me, which is mostly all over the place. Also, the hit chance on unconscious opponents is 100% for all bodyparts indiscriminately, but the AI was going specifically for the vulnerable upper legs and not the helm-covered head, unlike in earlier versions of the game. May well be another sneaky little AI improvement from Toady.
Post by: sketchesofpayne on November 22, 2018, 08:15:20 pm
... (sextuple-crocodiles, for six legs, get it? Sextudiles) ...I'm partial to "hexagator" myself.
Now theyre aggressive and go after intruders like theyre supposed to. However, when i penned all the hatchlings in into my depot enclosure and let a couple goblins in, they went totally nuts. Not just on the goblins, but each-other.I've observed similar behavior in tamed badgers in my fort. They weren't "war trained" but fully domesticated. They would occasionally attack and kill one another in their walled-off pasture.
Crashing. Lots of them.Towns would cause me to crash in adventure mode until I turned off TWBT.
Specifically crashing when entering towns. Anyone know what's happening?
Post by: Eric Blank on November 24, 2018, 01:05:41 am
I've observed similar behavior in tamed badgers in my fort. They weren't "war trained" but fully domesticated. They would occasionally attack and kill one another in their walled-off pasture.Could it be related to the prone_to_rage tag? Worth a shot removing that i guess.
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on November 24, 2018, 02:33:08 am
Sure, but my point was that after six years that was the first actual wolf I've seen.I had to do something similar; werelizards are massively overrepresented. Per Toady, it's because "lizard" is a rather generic label. Still seems a bit much, if you ask me.
I've even intentionally restarted Arena mode over and over to try and generate a wolf, but it didn't work at the time.
Post by: Enemy post on November 25, 2018, 01:37:54 am
I had to do something similar; werelizards are massively overrepresented. Per Toady, it's because "lizard" is a rather generic label. Still seems a bit much, if you ask me.
I didn't know Toady had talked about the rationale for werecreature populations. Where was that?
Post by: that_eye on November 25, 2018, 02:38:28 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on November 26, 2018, 10:57:39 am
Once combat ends, sextudiles continue to be docile pet creatures.
I just butchered the last of them, though. It was quite a bloodbath topside. Ill order some more off the caravans and see if freshly spawned ones take on a less crazed manner.
Maybe its the noemotion or nofear tags? I dont want them "experiencing emotional shock" during combat and freezing up while intruders stab them to death, but hopefully some better discipline and willpower will make up for those?
Post by: TomiTapio on November 29, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
Maybe its the noemotion or nofear tags? I dont want them "experiencing emotional shock" during combat and freezing up while intruders stab them to death, but hopefully some better discipline and willpower will make up for those?Maybe some [PERSONALITY:STRESS_VULNERABILITY:0:45:100] for that.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 10, 2018, 09:26:47 pm
What's generally considered the best way to implement a slave system (with DFHack of course)? Creating NPCs from the ether, or buying contracts that have a chance of resulting in getting slaves but also a chance of provoking an invasion?
The former seems... I dunno, weird. Like you can just magically buy someone from a foreign land because you constructed a big rug/floor? But the latter seems like it would probably just result in the slave trade probably never being worth the effort.
EDIT: Serious question, is this too edgy?
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on December 10, 2018, 11:50:17 pm
Working on update which will have some bugfixes (in last uploaded version the Ageran captain of the guard is unavailable due an oversight). Currently implementing slave system.Fallout Equestria has a slave trader civ, and the way I implemented slaves (after changes to DF AI rendered the previous implementation non-functional) was by adding special slave creatures to the slaver civ using the ANIMAL token and then running a custom reaction with a script attached that converts them to a second kind of creature and adds various data to make them count as citizens (I literally just copied, tweaked and stuck a wrapper around part of the create-unit script). For something that was fixed to the point of "unfinished but basically functional" and left so that I could focus on updating/fixing/expanding other things, it works mostly fine (I get very rare crashes when running the script, but those go away when reloading after a precautionary quicksave so *shrugs*). I don't know how close that is to what you want, but it is at least a starting point.
What's generally considered the best way to implement a slave system (with DFHack of course)? Creating NPCs from the ether, or buying contracts that have a chance of resulting in getting slaves but also a chance of provoking an invasion?
The former seems... I dunno, weird. Like you can just magically buy someone from a foreign land because you constructed a big rug/floor? But the latter seems like it would probably just result in the slave trade probably never being worth the effort.
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EDIT: Serious question, is this too edgy?I doubt it. Being edgy requires having wide standing social boundaries to cross. As the home of bearded midgets igniting knife eared hippie cannibals with the blood of the earth for !!Science!!, we don't really acknowledge those round these parts.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 11, 2018, 12:22:51 am
Working on update which will have some bugfixes (in last uploaded version the Ageran captain of the guard is unavailable due an oversight). Currently implementing slave system.Fallout Equestria has a slave trader civ, and the way I implemented slaves (after changes to DF AI rendered the previous implementation non-functional) was by adding special slave creatures to the slaver civ using the ANIMAL token and then running a custom reaction with a script attached that converts them to a second kind of creature and adds various data to make them count as citizens (I literally just copied, tweaked and stuck a wrapper around part of the create-unit script). For something that was fixed to the point of "unfinished but basically functional" and left so that I could focus on updating/fixing/expanding other things, it works mostly fine (I get very rare crashes when running the script, but those go away when reloading after a precautionary quicksave so *shrugs*). I don't know how close that is to what you want, but it is at least a starting point.
What's generally considered the best way to implement a slave system (with DFHack of course)? Creating NPCs from the ether, or buying contracts that have a chance of resulting in getting slaves but also a chance of provoking an invasion?
The former seems... I dunno, weird. Like you can just magically buy someone from a foreign land because you constructed a big rug/floor? But the latter seems like it would probably just result in the slave trade probably never being worth the effort.QuoteEDIT: Serious question, is this too edgy?I doubt it. Being edgy requires having wide standing social boundaries to cross. As the home of bearded midgets igniting knife eared hippie cannibals with the blood of the earth for !!Science!!, we don't really acknowledge those round these parts.
Thanks! That does sound pretty complex, but I think it might just be worth it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 11, 2018, 12:34:03 pm
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44.10 1.7: Variable value ranges for humans, based on old fixed values, also including knowledge. Fixed kobolds having mannerisms for hair. Added kobold-specific profession names and more varied coloration. Added caste-specific profession names to various sentients for flavor. Restored civilian use of non-metal caps, made metal/wood mask wearable as armor. Added footwraps. Added to kobold and Resurfaced clothing/armor.
44.10 1.8: Rebalanced layering of masks and helms so that one can wear all three but can't double up on masks, applied flavor profession names to the Resurfaced species that don't use creature variation.
So far testing it has been a rather mundane affair, quickly digressing into a local lizard man killing too damn many titans (because I set titan number to the max), walking into a vault that was completely empty (because none of the civs that generated had deities), realizing that the slab had been outside in a shrine next to the vault the whole damn time, then invading the goblins to claim a lizard demon waifu.
Only things of note would be this was where I discovered what led to that very latest update, as I found the local tribes would wear two masks at once, and that I missed a few critters when I was handing out some custom profession names.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 22, 2018, 12:42:24 am
Removing 2 of the 3 Medieval Western-Central Europe civs (that is to say, removing the Bremans and Velaise and keeping the Rovalians) seems to really reduce the crash rate when genning a large world.
Next update might not have them. Or I might just put them in a separate folder bundled with it. Plus, I mean, I don't think they really add much either in terms of gameplay or setting.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 23, 2018, 03:03:08 pm
Also check entity positions, sometimes things like CHAT_WORTHY or responsibilities like religion conflict with being a military squad leader.
My own modding has consisted of trying to test new night creatures, and some new alchemy potions/reactions. The thing is night creatures like spouse converters are extremely rare in the world most of the time, and arena tests dont reveal everything more often than not.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 23, 2018, 04:09:45 pm
Post by: Dunmeris on December 24, 2018, 12:46:11 am
Guess I'll need to think of a way to make those various dog breeds show up less (without just giving them MULTIPLE_LITTERS_RARE which would make no sense). Making them more expensive doesn't seem to do much. Though it mostly seems to have happened after I added some more cattle (one of which every civ seems to love and have thousands of according to LegendsViewer).
Could a civ having tons of cows possibly cause a dogsplosion? If so, how? Because that doesn't make any sense.
Post by: Enemy post on December 24, 2018, 01:35:07 pm
Post by: Asin on December 24, 2018, 10:27:57 pm
Post by: Enemy post on December 25, 2018, 12:06:53 am
*That sentence is a lie.
Post by: scourge728 on December 25, 2018, 10:34:12 am
And it's up. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=172869.0) I made dinosaurs. 5 months of dinosaurs. I have now had sufficient dinosaurs.*I've been completely outmodded :P
*That sentence is a lie.
Post by: Teneb on December 25, 2018, 02:10:17 pm
14 castes done (combining male and female into a single one for sake of counting) and still a ton of mutations to go. The file is getting confusing.
Post by: Asin on December 25, 2018, 02:35:18 pm
Added in the sun-worshipping Girtablilu, the near-ethicless Gnolls, the multi-headed (depends on the caste) Taiga Trolls, and the tribal nature-loving goat men known as the Kagh.
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on December 25, 2018, 04:47:08 pm
I asked him about it in Future of the Fortress a year or two back.I had to do something similar; werelizards are massively overrepresented. Per Toady, it's because "lizard" is a rather generic label. Still seems a bit much, if you ask me.
I didn't know Toady had talked about the rationale for werecreature populations. Where was that?
Post by: Enemy post on December 25, 2018, 04:47:56 pm
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on December 25, 2018, 05:15:16 pm
Thanks.No problem.
Here's my question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140544.msg6746676#msg6746676) and Toady's response is somewhere in here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140544.msg6781176#msg6781176).
Post by: Dunmeris on December 25, 2018, 11:02:02 pm
Everything else works perfectly at this point, except for the Sarvanians (both Imperial and nomadic variants, I did try both) who cause the game to ctd with no error while loading, the moment it starts loading entities. No idea why it started doing this all of a sudden. It doesn't crash when I remove the Sarvanian entity file. It DOES still crash if I just change the associated creature, though, so it's specifically the entity file and not the Sarvanians themselves.
This is really pissing me off, gotta be honest, and I'm not posting an update unless I can get this fixed. But then again, I guess it is a good excuse to go sultanates with the Akhadians.
Post by: Asin on December 25, 2018, 11:17:28 pm
Post by: Dunmeris on December 25, 2018, 11:34:13 pm
Spoiler: First Part (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dunmeris on December 25, 2018, 11:35:01 pm
Spoiler: Permitted buildings, jobs, reactions, and ethics (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Oh jeez I did not intend to have partial raws be a page starter.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 25, 2018, 11:35:45 pm
Spoiler: Positions and extra details (click to show/hide)
EDIT: The reason those -ALLOWED_CLASS:NOBLE- things are there, or rather, that they have hyphens rather than brackets, is because I thought "hey maybe there's just too many class restricted positions and that's what's doing it" and tried removing some restrictions. It didn't work.
Post by: Dunmeris on December 26, 2018, 08:29:16 pm
What the hell, did the .txt files get corrupted? How the hell does that even happen? I swear I'm being trolled by fate.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 27, 2018, 06:46:05 pm
So I've made a great library of reactions to allow one to cheat with maximum inefficiency. If you have at least one log or boulder to make a craftsdwarf's workshop, you can then cheat to make pretty much every necessary resource from adamantine to sheep wool cloth/thread. Its so easy a cavedorf could do it.
Reactions dont seem to produce plants real well, so it cannot create plump helmets right now, unfortunately.
Post by: Levity on January 01, 2019, 07:35:53 am
Fire Dragon - Reworked vanilla with [FLIER][POWER]. All further dragons follow this theme.
Ice Dragon - Similar to fire but with icy, translucent skin and a freezing breath and aura.
Forest Dragon - A dragon with blight swilling and dripping from its mouth and claws. Nasty syndrome.
Earth Dragon - A dragon from the mountains that emits seismic roars and throws up chunks of rubble (why not :P)
Dead Dragon - A zombie dragon with the power to animate corpses and blood that resurrects and turns the living into thralls at touch.
All dragons (except Dead) have steel-strength dragonscale, bone, teeth and claws. Dragonscale and bone can be worked into armour and weapons respectively. The dragons also have swirling eyes and scales of their relevant type.
Now I just have to finish up the dragonkin, or drakken (haven't decided on the name yet) — a race of dragon humanoids that have descended from these above types, with similar variant castes and a bloodthirsty ethic. I'm also toying with the idea of a holy/heavenly dragon with the power to resurrect, the drakken of which could accompany sieges and resurrect those fallen.
EDIT: Oh, and there will be no dead drakken; for the undead dragon is certainly some aberration that only spawns in evil areas. Think one of the other types, but corrupted.
https://imgur.com/H05iNaF
Post by: Teneb on January 03, 2019, 05:22:05 pm
Post by: that_eye on January 03, 2019, 08:39:10 pm
Levity, I might borrow your dragons. My own chromatic dragons cause the game to crash with no clues
Post by: Dunmeris on January 04, 2019, 11:24:16 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 06, 2019, 10:29:33 pm
*The various tests and editing are done. Jawa Fortress, my creature pack, and the LOLmod are all updated and set for compatibility. I'll release the improvements to Primal after making the new animals for it.
Post by: Levity on January 12, 2019, 08:34:39 am
Levity, I might borrow your dragons. My own chromatic dragons cause the game to crash with no clues
I'll be creating a thread where people can download my creations on a modular basis, and it's my plan to be finished with these dragons by the end of today! ^^
I have a ton of other things I want to mod in. I think next up it'll be the Rabbit of Caerbannog from Monty Python, as a megabeast xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmu5sRIizdw
Post by: Levity on January 18, 2019, 03:19:48 pm
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The boozeling almost immediately started to cry euphoric tears, just before the vomiting started. Then the dizziness got worse, moving on to full unconsciousness. It's worth noting that I made the boozeling tears also made of whiskey.
He is stuck in a state of severe, chronic drunkenness.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 18, 2019, 03:59:41 pm
I was messing with new and exciting night creatures. My yeti kidnapper isnt interesting enough to keep, but i like my sandman. His "spouse" ends up being a catatonic human child thats constantly losing consciousness and experiencing horrible nightmares, from which more sandmen appear. The sandman also uses something similar on the player. Since the sandmans fingernails and teeth are made of glass, passing out would prove fatal.
Post by: Levity on January 18, 2019, 04:52:37 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 18, 2019, 05:12:16 pm
Im pretty sure worldgen only allows adults to be kidnapped and converted, so technically the "child" was an adult when she was kidnapped, but whatever, close enough.
The other half of the fluff, then, could be that the sandmans influence over a person begins in their youth, and continues into adulthood, depending on their mental strength. Eventually they give in, and revert back to a youthful, childlike state mentally and physically, and remain as such forever.
Or do we think thats all too disturbing? I could also make the spouse a basic portal to hell or something.
Post by: FantasticDorf on January 18, 2019, 06:40:57 pm
There's more i could elaborate and do regarding the playable elves for instance since you can hit end-game industry soonish, and a greater emphasis on trap parts in workshops i think would be good (gave my humans a sawmill that depends on embarking/smithing a serrated disc)
Now im just making a new 'bugfixed' vanilla DF version which is as hopefully full of vanilla friendly content as possible, notable additions being the re-introduction of the Arsenal Dwarf which according to the wiki, with a appearance alongside the sheriff works correctly but i have yet to try them due to how busy actually playing tends to be with werebeast attacks. Though trival, the Arsenal Dwarf in theory tied up with a manager position should keep my militia dwarves in check and ill look for other effects/enhancements/drawbacks to having them. Toady didn't do a good job removing them entirely if the old behaviour can be reactivated by breathing life into it.
Other typical things, assigning [ANIMAL] entity groups, tweaking what to use and also modifying [CAPTAIN] positions to remove animal recruits from passive conscription.
Post by: Enemy post on January 20, 2019, 06:38:45 pm
Post by: scourge728 on January 20, 2019, 07:07:06 pm
Took significantly longer than I should thanks to burnout.me_irl rn
EDIT: I don't know how to add flamingos to the game, being as they are 5 feet tall but only weigh 8 pounds...
Post by: Enemy post on January 20, 2019, 09:51:38 pm
Also, I'm surprised flamingos are that light.
Post by: scourge728 on January 20, 2019, 09:58:48 pm
Post by: Shaso on January 20, 2019, 10:56:06 pm
But I recently decided to come back and mod up a fortress full of fox people. I wanted something very specific, which was to have one male who would reproduce with 7 different females who each had litters of 5 to 7 young and populate the entire fort with them.
Boy, what a pain it was to make it work trying to juggle and get around things like marriage requirements, but I finally did it and now everyone in the fortress is a child of that one male and one of the 7 females. All the offspring are asexual but strangely, they seem to be sex crazed. All of the scholars and scribes just keep making up new books like "Uncanny Reproduction", "Mating for the Beginning Practitioner", "It All Begins With Mating", "Mating Within Reason", "An Offering Of Reproduction"...
This is the first time ive played in this new version that has a library at all, so i'm not sure if this is unusual or not, but these asexual fox people sure are thirsty. They're becoming world famous smut peddlers.
Post by: YomToxic on January 21, 2019, 01:08:11 am
...these asexual fox people sure are thirsty. They're becoming world famous smut peddlers.
This explains... everything.
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Trying to make a Lunatic Mode conversion for DF. The outside world is much more dangerous now. Inspired by the Nothings (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53107).
Post by: Eric Blank on January 21, 2019, 03:20:18 pm
Post by: FantasticDorf on January 21, 2019, 04:46:30 pm
The game doesn't care about height, only volume as measured in cubic centimeters. All you need to do is set the adult size to 3629.
Also, I'm surprised flamingos are that light.
Small creatures splatter easier from falls for reference, height affects multiple things including damage area for attacking seperate to the height trait which adds artifical volume.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173908541088858113/532562073557925903/unknown.png)
pictured dwarf must be very high on the scale of height regarding their 60k volume, or the human is quite small (alternatively the viewer might be representing it oddly)
Post by: Shaso on January 21, 2019, 06:23:47 pm
How on earth did they all end up asexual anyway? What are the odds on that?
Really good when they have a genderless caste with a very high pop ratio.
The male and female castes are so unlikely to occur naturally they might as well be impossibilities. However, they're marked as pets I can embark with. This ensures my fortress always starts with 1 male, 7 females, and however many asexuals I want, each with a lifespan of 3 years while the male and female are ageless immortals.
I'll often use dfhack to increase my embark numbers to something like 30 just to get the base up and running sooner, though this isn't required. Then i'll save the game, go edit the save file to remove the max ages from the genderless caste. It won't affect the ones already living and they'll all die out in 3 years (after the fortress is already up and running and they are no longer needed). By the time they die out, new kits will have been born. With 5-7 litter sizes and 7 wives, they average 42 new members per year, each of which all share the same father but with one of the 7 mothers. These newborns though, are immortal like their parents.
Works out beautifully once I got everything figured out and setup properly.
The father and mothers also have their own noble ranks where they handle just about all leadership roles except for things like justice, hammering, etc and all they do is mate and lead their children.
Since the offspring are now immortal, they can be assigned permanent, lifelong burrows including their work space and personal residences directly above, like an upstairs apartment, and I never have to worry about them dying of old age or anything. After all positions of society are full, everyone else is drafted as soldiers and spend 100% of their time between training and patrolling.
If any soldiers die, it doesn't really matter too much as they can pop out 42 new offspring each year to recoup losses. I just wish I had a way to auto assign the offspring to the military immediately. :( Then I could just leave the world basically running on autopilot for a few years and see what happens.
Post by: SQman on January 22, 2019, 10:05:16 am
(https://i.imgur.com/ck34lae.png)
All weapons, non-chain armor and metal clothing available to drows can be made out of gems and glass. Now it's just a matter of testing and I can upload the updated modpack.
Post by: Levity on January 27, 2019, 06:06:01 am
All of the scholars and scribes just keep making up new books like "Uncanny Reproduction", "Mating for the Beginning Practitioner", "It All Begins With Mating", "Mating Within Reason", "An Offering Of Reproduction"...
That's actually so interesting. I wonder what's causing it? There's so much grey area surrounding Toady's more recent patches...
Post by: Eric Blank on January 27, 2019, 04:40:21 pm
Im thinking about making a playable dwarf civ specifically to get wiped out and allow me to play as a dead civ. I know how to limit them to a single mountain hall (take away their settlement biomes), so its not hard, but what other features do i want, like a special mithril inorganic, or unique pets. Its all decisions, all the way down.
Post by: Teneb on January 27, 2019, 08:38:57 pm
Currently making creatures from Evolve because while it wasn't that great as a game, it had some really nice designs.
EDIT: Also decided to go through most of my stuff and up the population numbers on wild creatures, because I feel that keeping to vanilla numbers result in species getting extinct really fast.
Post by: Strik3r on January 29, 2019, 03:07:15 pm
In a small world, by the end of worldgen at year 550, the entire eastern half of the map was over-run with what im calling "ghouls".
The total number of Ghouls by year 550 was 3093 with 1874 of them still being "alive". All of this stemmed from merely 3 ghouls all of whom were originally humans, "infected" because they profaned a temple. The "Patient Zero" of the outbreak was a human by the name of Thon Chirpclean, a fishery worker and criminal ringleader, who profaned a temple in a town named "Eyewhipped" in year 84, then proceeded to infect 15 people and kill 24 over the course of the next 198 years before being shot and killed by an elf. The other two outbreaks were uninteresting, each only managing to infect one person.
While the ground zero for the outbreak, "Eyewhipped" became a host to a sizeable ghoul population of 32 ghouls, "living"(more like existing) in the wilderness near the town, the largest concentration of ghouls is way south-east of "Eyewhipped", is around a human town with a population of 2417 named "Ashenbastions", on the same tile exists a lair with ghoul population of 231 ghouls and just about every tile near the town has a lair with at least 10 ghouls. The largest single lair however is just north of "Ashenbastions", near a town with a population of over 2500 humans named "Horsefortune", the lair there has 242 ghouls. Even the elven lands north of "Eyewhipped" weren't doing so well, there was a ghoul lair on just about every tile that the elves own. Dwarves never got off the ground, likely due to the constant conquests by a nearby evil civ, the dwarves only had 3 remaining sites by the end of worldgen. Not even my moon-worshipping lizards were safe from the terror, their sites small and scattered, they had to contend with ghouls in the east, despite being immune to the infection(for now), and Sloghs(giant slug demons) in the west.
The competing ghoul strain(codename "tengu") did not succeed unfortunately, only producing a total of 15 infected, 14 of whom are alive as of year 550. The Patient Zero for this strain was "Pimra Seerbrim", a human scout. Interestingly, Pimra fought with a ghoul and escaped without being infected, 16 years prior to profaning a temple in Horsefortune in the year 201 and unleashing the second strain upon the world.
All this with a background of standard werebeast diseases(and a special, custom one) as well as stuff that is way, way more dangerous in play than in world gen(Boy am i glad breath interactions don't get triggered in worldgen) and I'm far from done with this mod.
Post by: asialsky on January 30, 2019, 01:28:58 pm
Secondly, warframes. My fortress now has a "Helminth Nest" to turn new recruits into a random warframe. Thanks to the caste system, making variants of "metal creature xyz" is fairly simple. Ember throws fire in balls and jets, Excalibur gets an integrated sword-arm, Mesa gets a hack-job gun using material emission, and Titania gets a similar ability but can fly. It'll take me a little bit to finish them, but the error log is clean so far.
Oh, and airships. I made a custom pet that uses the wagon body token, flies, and is also mountable. It only gets weird when a caravan arrives with an airship in a cage. I'm still debating adding a rare variant of it with guns, because why not.
(https://i.imgur.com/nMygNEa.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/sKzCu3k.png)
Post by: TechnoScrabble on February 01, 2019, 07:05:15 am
At the request of one of my friends, I added a few custom races / transformations. First up, yuan-ti dwarves and a ritual "workshop" to summon a syndrome "potion" bar that promptly detonates, giving them fangs and a long-lasting venom that causes numbness, dizziness, and eventual necrosis if untreated for a long time.
Secondly, warframes. My fortress now has a "Helminth Nest" to turn new recruits into a random warframe. Thanks to the caste system, making variants of "metal creature xyz" is fairly simple. Ember throws fire in balls and jets, Excalibur gets an integrated sword-arm, Mesa gets a hack-job gun using material emission, and Titania gets a similar ability but can fly. It'll take me a little bit to finish them, but the error log is clean so far.
How are you managing to turn one creature into another and still have it on your side?
Post by: Eric Blank on February 01, 2019, 02:11:26 pm
Post by: asialsky on February 01, 2019, 06:53:21 pm
How are you managing to turn one creature into another and still have it on your side?
Insta-boil material + Syndrome +
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[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:20:START:1]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARFWF:EXCALIBUR]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:20:START:1]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARFWF:EXCALIBURUMBRA]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:20:START:1]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARFWF:EMBER]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:20:START:1]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARFWF:TITANIA]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:PROB:20:START:1]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARFWF:MESA]"DWARFWF" is a copy of 90% of the normal dwarf raws, so it behaves basically the same, minus the need to eat, drink, sleep, or breathe. There's also the whole metal body thing, but w/e.
Post by: Dunmeris on February 01, 2019, 08:35:13 pm
Is there by any chance a way to make custom chairs? Not chairs, but objects that act like chairs. Say, a way to make, for instance, custom cushions or carpets that can be used as chairs? Is such a thing possible?
EDIT: Well, I mean, of course making cloth chairs is no problem. But would I be able to use... possibly DFHack to just call the cloth chairs cushions? Or, would I be able to make custom carpets, with an entirely different sprite, that can be used as chairs?
Post by: FantasticDorf on February 02, 2019, 12:38:06 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 02, 2019, 03:08:10 pm
Last night on a whim i made a bunch of colored variants of marble as veins in normal white marble. No other important attributes besides covering all the available color spectrum.
Post by: Dunmeris on February 02, 2019, 05:58:07 pm
Types are hardcoded but materials are not, you could make a silk chair but it's always going to be named a 'chair' unfortunately.
I see, I was afraid of that. Thanks though.
Post by: asialsky on February 02, 2019, 11:05:38 pm
Pets can now be turned into Helminth Chargers, a.k.a. alien dogs with a chitin exoskeleton. They make nice war animals.
Lacking a better solution, they can now also be turned into sentry drones. Every warframe needs either a doggo or a drone to keep the elves at bay.
Post by: peasant cretin on February 03, 2019, 05:06:28 pm
In my mod, stone, bone and metal missiles require feathers for fletchings and the vanilla arrow/bolt could cut a small bird so that its remaining corpse pieces are too small to butcher, making the endeavor a waste of ammo and of NPC life.
But that's weighed against keeping the missile crafting menus as stripped down as possible. Currently arrow/bolt crafting is one page each.
I think I've been okay with keeping menu and reaction sprawl fairly low.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 03, 2019, 07:20:38 pm
Someone requested being able to forge metal furniture in adventure mod. Since I added forging I figured sure, why not. I found out that the construction menu claims it's looking for wooden chairs, tables etc but it actually permits metal ones too.
During testing I also found out that character creation's skill menu was using the "-woman" variant for all characters of a species that had that flavor change. I soon found the cause was simply me forgetting to use CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME instead of PROFESSION_NAME, doh.
Now it actually uses the flavor profession names only if it's decided ahead of time that your character will start off female, meaning you can see what gender the game picked one screen early. If you change it and go back it'll likewise reflect that change in the skill menu.
Post by: asialsky on February 04, 2019, 02:04:57 am
Post by: Dunmeris on February 04, 2019, 06:18:32 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 05, 2019, 03:16:12 pm
Would roving bands of living, but possessed and murderous, humans/elves/dwarves be scary? Or would it seem odd and implausible for a landscape otherwise mostly inhabited by ghosts, zombies, and demons?
Could be interesting.
I really oughta revive that post-apoc mod idea I was toying with so I can release it. I'm gonna need a new name for it though. I was gonna go with an ash theme for the name since the central flavor that developed involved essentially mutated creatures of living ash and alien plant life resembling burnt grass, but there's already a post-apocalyptic mod with ash-something in the name...
Post by: Kyubee on February 07, 2019, 06:22:15 am
I have an old AD&D Monster Manual from my folks' old house sitting around which im using as part of my inspiration
Post by: Eric Blank on February 07, 2019, 05:56:30 pm
If I pair a similar effect with a personality modifier that makes them extremely angry all the time and vulnerable to stress, they should go berserk! Neato!
Post by: TomiTapio on February 09, 2019, 09:24:06 am
Would roving bands of living, but possessed and murderous, humans/elves/dwarves be scary? Or would it seem odd and implausible for a landscape otherwise mostly inhabited by ghosts, zombies, and demons?Wandering Goblin Adventurers are fun.
I removed the male and female parts to be more vanilla-compatible. Some body parts might still complain, check errorlog when adding.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on February 09, 2019, 08:05:22 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on February 13, 2019, 08:53:31 am
Working on worn clothes into useful thread, for OldGenesis. Got it mostly working.
How to specify that an ITEM_xxxx reagent must be damaged? I prevented leather-clothes-into-thread with a custom reaction class.
Someone who edits the DF wiki a lot, please add the names of the workshops, for modders. Took a while to find that "CLOTHES" was the valid workshop name, found it in the string dump.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 13, 2019, 01:06:43 pm
How to specify that an ITEM_xxxx reagent must be damaged? I prevented leather-clothes-into-thread with a custom reaction
Don't know a way to do that. I'd be using it in Adventurecraft if that was an option.
Someone who edits the DF wiki a lot, please add the names of the workshops, for modders. Took a while to find that "CLOTHES" was the valid workshop name, found it in the string dump.
Reaction page: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Reaction#Building (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Reaction#Building)
It might be good to duplicate this list in the page for building tokens, as modders might be searching for building names there as you'd expect with the pages for skill and unit type tokens.
Post by: Teneb on February 15, 2019, 08:19:36 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 16, 2019, 12:52:43 am
Post by: Kyubee on February 16, 2019, 10:03:06 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 16, 2019, 11:33:08 am
I realized how low default raw populations of cave creatures and even savage creatures are. so I'm making a quick raw edit mod that increases a lot of the lower populations and lifespans, because mass extinctions need to be more difficult to achieve.
Sounds interesting. One thing I wonder is whether this will make underground critters less rare in adventure mode, as I don't know if population really ties in very strongly with how spread out they are.
Post by: Dunmeris on February 16, 2019, 11:52:41 pm
Also, is there any way to simulate, say, ancient Persian burial towers? That is to say, to have a civ where exposing the dead at some high place is a good idea and won't just lead to people noticing the corpse and being horrified every time they pass by? Both burial (at least while there's still flesh on the bones) and cremation are... not right for the Sarvanians, as they would view the dead, rotting corpse as both polluting to the earth, and polluting to the sacred fire.
Hey, you and Deon's Genesis mod is pretty good. What's you guys' policy on credited borrowing? Because my mod does borrow some things from Genesis (and other mods), but it does give credit (to all mods that I "borrowed" from). Both in the raws themselves and in a separate credits file.Would roving bands of living, but possessed and murderous, humans/elves/dwarves be scary? Or would it seem odd and implausible for a landscape otherwise mostly inhabited by ghosts, zombies, and demons?Wandering Goblin Adventurers are fun.
I removed the male and female parts to be more vanilla-compatible. Some body parts might still complain, check errorlog when adding.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TomiTapio on February 17, 2019, 04:17:35 pm
Hey, you and Deon's Genesis mod is pretty good. What's you guys' policy on credited borrowing?Borrow away, Deon and I give permission to everyone. OldGenesis mod has only 110-230 users.
Because my mod does borrow some things from Genesis (and other mods), but it does give credit (to all mods that I "borrowed" from). Both in the raws themselves and in a separate credits file.
I think I'm most proud of the leather tiers and wood tiers. Deon made most of the dwarf castes, I added learns-military and learning-disability and posh-noble castes.
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on February 18, 2019, 03:38:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZM5 on February 18, 2019, 04:18:02 pm
Might have some releases out this week, currently working on adding sounds for biome revamp creatures, rewrote some descriptions of them too - also have a civilized race addon nearly finished for it.
Post by: Teneb on February 19, 2019, 11:56:05 am
Doing some rebalancing - seems like 12000 fixed temp works for having creatures still cause melting with grabs and the like, but it doesnt cause fires to pop up (atleast in the arena's grassy area) - meanwhile still allows my Burning Wrath megabeast to survive its magma blood and have its corpse burn up on death.That's a pretty nice discovery. But couldn't you make the materials the creature is made of be fireimmune?
Might have some releases out this week, currently working on adding sounds for biome revamp creatures, rewrote some descriptions of them too - also have a civilized race addon nearly finished for it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 19, 2019, 12:24:13 pm
That's a pretty nice discovery. But couldn't you make the materials the creature is made of be fireimmune?
I'm guessing the reason is the mentioned "burns up after death" thing, if I recall making the critter immune to fire affects materials too to some extent.
Post by: ZM5 on February 19, 2019, 12:52:34 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 19, 2019, 01:25:17 pm
However, i also wanted to implement essence copying, and although having vermin all over the place biting people would technically allow other candidates to wander in and get bit, but the vermin would wander off and get eaten eventually anyway. So it wouldnt reliably allow one to save the essence for later education.
What if, the first "research" reactions produce a tool or something related to the essence, and then another "learning" reaction consumes that and creates the vermin? Is that too many steps for a new player? You also have to create aether residue to "fuel" essence production in the first place.
Post by: Teneb on February 19, 2019, 02:04:23 pm
Yeah, the material stuff that makes the creature actually immune to heat damage would prevent the corpse from burning up.I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to prevent that.
EDIT:
So i was thinking, as i have things now dwarves have to eat the spell essences to learn magic, so the player has to tightly control food distribution to make sure the right dwarves learn the right spells. But this morning i had a thought; maybe if it was a live vermin the reaction produced with a 100% chance to bite, delivering the spell syndrome. It would allow high transmission rates, quickly, with less micromanagement (only have to keep cats out of the magic station.)Why not just rely on evaporating rocks instead of hoping for a vermin bite? Sure, there is a chance the dwarf won't breathe in the spell-teaching gas but you can handwave that away as "failure to learn".
However, i also wanted to implement essence copying, and although having vermin all over the place biting people would technically allow other candidates to wander in and get bit, but the vermin would wander off and get eaten eventually anyway. So it wouldnt reliably allow one to save the essence for later education.
What if, the first "research" reactions produce a tool or something related to the essence, and then another "learning" reaction consumes that and creates the vermin? Is that too many steps for a new player? You also have to create aether residue to "fuel" essence production in the first place.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 19, 2019, 02:18:30 pm
Als9 you quoted that post twice :v
Post by: Teneb on February 19, 2019, 02:42:49 pm
That was actually the 2.0 version, and it was working so poorly that a lot of players complained, hence why ive been looking for a better alternative. Its really a nightmare in general without a way to just read a book and learn like its a secret, and secrets are hard to come by.Thanks for pointing that out.
Als9 you quoted that post twice :v
In that case, yeah, you are kind of out of luck. Food is probably the most reliable form, since there's no guarantee the vermin's AI will go for an attack.
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on February 19, 2019, 03:29:13 pm
That was actually the 2.0 version, and it was working so poorly that a lot of players complained, hence why ive been looking for a better alternative. Its really a nightmare in general without a way to just read a book and learn like its a secret, and secrets are hard to come by.Serious question. How committed are you to not using DFHack?
Als9 you quoted that post twice :v
Because implementing this using DFHack is very straight forward. Create the syndrome that gives your creature the interaction (which you presumably already have), add a reaction with the items you want your magic learning to need as reagents ([PRESERVE_REAGENT] if they are reusable), and then stick a 1 line script call in onLoad.init which would look something like this:
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modtools/reaction-trigger -reactionName ARBITRARY_CUSTOM_REACTION -resetPolicy ResetDuration -syndrome "Syndrome that grants Magic Interactions"
Post by: Eric Blank on February 19, 2019, 05:55:51 pm
Ill probably try the vermin method and see how reliable that is. The food thing totally works, but its still pretty awkward.
Post by: that_eye on February 19, 2019, 09:27:16 pm
he he he
Post by: Dunmeris on February 22, 2019, 08:46:22 pm
Thanks!Hey, you and Deon's Genesis mod is pretty good. What's you guys' policy on credited borrowing?Borrow away, Deon and I give permission to everyone. OldGenesis mod has only 110-230 users.
Because my mod does borrow some things from Genesis (and other mods), but it does give credit (to all mods that I "borrowed" from). Both in the raws themselves and in a separate credits file.
I think I'm most proud of the leather tiers and wood tiers. Deon made most of the dwarf castes, I added learns-military and learning-disability and posh-noble castes.
Post by: Ulfarr on March 02, 2019, 08:43:45 am
Post by: pikachu17 on March 02, 2019, 09:14:39 am
Post by: Ulfarr on March 02, 2019, 09:37:59 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 02, 2019, 08:26:00 pm
Ive decided to move nosferatu off the caverns list, but i might make other changes instead. They appear on almost 100% of embarks, despite being frequency:1 and having all these other cavern critters available. And theyre dangerous and annoying enough on their own to warrant sealing off the caves.
I think its just time to give dwarves the magic they need to keep cavern critters from overwhelming a fortress without having to wall off the map edges. For that i had various idea like spells for killing particular species or cavern critters in general. But i also thought about "ensnare" spells that paralyze (and add nobreathe to) cave critters that attack your dwarves for a day or two.
And then i wanted to give dwarves other powers like supertough skin when underground or spreading euphoria when drunk, if they learned those abilities. Or adding nonausea/nobreathe when appropriate
But theres a bigger question; i wanted to allow innate, natural abilities or curses again. I thought about using castes but i dont want to go and edit every single race to add castes and everything be dependent on that framework. But i could use a syndrome to have a similar effect, without any further edits to the race itself.
So i thought, how can i reliably get a syndrome into everybody? But i can do that with booze and recurring interactions. One guy takes a swig, gets a greeting interaction he uses on everybody he meets for a couple weeks, who also get the greeting interaction and cast it on everyone they meet. At the same time theyre plied for their racial profile by the interaction, and get a random chance-based selection of abilities or, potentially, curses. Since this is all part of the same interaction set, and the abilities are permanent, a simple cannot_target_if_already_affected string is all thats necessary to prevent it going on indefinitely. Yet at the same time, i want some individuals to get none of these powers and not be eligible for round 2+, so a flat 100% chance or something of getting something totally worthless, like flipping off people they dont like, should prevent further propogation.
Does that all make sense? Do i have to worry about a memetic, ever-spreading interaction bogging the game down?
I know this wont work in adventure mode, either. Theres always that old trick of dissolving/liquifying materials like making an inorganic cloth thats available to almost everybody for clothesmaking and promptly turns to liquid, infecting them with a contact syndrome that carries a self-clean interaction for a brief while, triggering the racial interaction.
Post by: SQman on March 05, 2019, 02:22:33 pm
Aww, look at this delightful flock of sheep gathered around a pond, aren't they just wonderful?
(https://i.imgur.com/JbFANR8.png)
Wait a minute, is that... a stem? Those are not real sheep!
Barometz, more commonly known as the vegetable lamb of Tartary, is a legendary plant said to grow sheep as fruit. The sheep would graze on grass around its mother plant, and once all grass within its reach was eaten, both plant and sheep would die.
My barometz is a plant, alright. If I understand correctly, I can create a fake 'barometz' creature, and make a reaction that turns barometz lamb fruit into barometz meat, yarn and leather.
Those plants bear no seeds, and can be only foraged in good mountains, tundras and taigas.
That's the plan for now. I was supposed to be working on entities for the modpack for my next story fort, but strange moods hit out of nowhere.
Edit:
(https://i.imgur.com/GOpIbDN.png)
Great success! The lamb gets butchered for 8 meat, 1 leather and 7 thread, just like planned!
Post by: Teneb on March 05, 2019, 08:24:31 pm
I'm moving on to Demons now, and I think I'll handle them by having each individiual demon be a lone wandering creature, and also creating a Tanar'ri civ as late-game invaders.
EDIT: After reading a bit about size on the wiki, and how tiny creatures are actually hard to hit, I nerfed a bit the natural dodging skill and general resistance to damage on the demilich.
Post by: SQman on March 06, 2019, 04:30:18 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/und6fWf.png)
Oh, and I made a three-legged bird. Am I a real modder now?
Post by: ZM5 on March 06, 2019, 04:36:56 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 06, 2019, 06:56:29 pm
Am I a real modder now?
Not until youve abused this power to concoct something entirely too lewd like putting boobs on everything. Only then have you fully adopted the modding.
Post by: SQman on March 07, 2019, 03:57:37 am
I thought the great thief Yatagarasu was just a young girl and not a freak of nature?
You can't convince me a girl who sticks a key into her hair as a fashion statement isn't a freak of nature.
Post by: Snowdrift on March 07, 2019, 02:15:04 pm
As result of avoiding DFHack, I started work on a possible overhaul mod in the world of Monster Hunter (I'm surprised to find it hadn't been done yet.) I've modded in more powerful humans, their wyverian allies, and the bases of all the primary weapon types. I'm working on basic creatures right now, and have only got as far as finishing aptonoth (dino-cows) and kelbi (colorful deer/goats), but hoping to get to bird wyvern soon. (A few of the weapon types have no chance of functioning faithfully without DFHack, but I've estimated them as best I could.)
Combat seems to be somehow more brutal with my weapons. Bowguns reliably chip bone on unarmored targets, and a single 1h-sword user was able to reliably and quickly win against aptonoth (bleeding) and kelbi (decapitation, with rather unnerving frequency). Things are bound to get crazier when I get towards later end enemies. Greatswords and Longsword spirit blade attacks are incredibly devastating.
At the moment, I'm not sure if I can prevent the player from just making weapons with basic metal aside from removing standard forging ability (most weapons are made with combinations of monster pieces, metals, and bone in the series). The same applies to ammo types (which I think is bound in the system in the same way), so you can make pheremone shots out of iron or silver. I'm currently working with putting all the weapon stuff in its own respective crafting stations with corrected recipes.
If there is interest then I'll probably try and take it to a total overhaul, but for now I'm just adding things to it. I'll probably stick the files up too at some point like I did with the merpeople files. I've got some other ideas that I'd like to work on as well, but I'm not sure if I'll ever get to them.
Post by: Sver on March 08, 2019, 03:53:39 am
However, I've yet to test extensively how difficult it is to defeat such a force. The current weapon skill setting of 1500 just might be too hardcore. Regardless, prolonged melee is a really bad idea now, as the invaders "adapt" to fighting even an all-legendary militia.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 08, 2019, 10:51:11 am
Also, each school is its own species now, which allows me to make them default pets for some entities, allowing them to trade the essences in caravans and such, but only of those schools their entity is familiar with. Want to make a more sensible "learning" system out of it, too, but how im not sure.
Maybe ill go with creating a slate for each essence, which duplicate that particular essence reliably. Because the current random chance to create any of a number of essences is kinda silly as a system of teaching your pupils. But does fit more with the theme that magic isnt something that can be accurately catalouged and understood.
Its a shame you cant get any old interactions to be written down in a book even if you have the tags for all that, and trigger it with the syndrome. Because that would be so much easier. Tried it, either they had to work as a secret and wouldnt be "contracted" through a syndrome, or syndrome-obtained interactions never get written down.
I also made most of the vanilla large wildlife milkable, where i thought it made sense. So i can milk moose and rhinos as well as muskoxen.
Post by: SQman on March 08, 2019, 04:47:45 pm
Today I learned about creature variations. Had to make a new body plan and a new variation so that my yatagarasu people can have three legs as they should. Sure, tripedalism kinda defeats the purpose of an animal person, but bipedalism defeats the purpose of a three-legged crow.
Spoiler: Look, three legs! (click to show/hide)
Also, I think my barometz reaction was working entirely on wishful thinking before. Getting fruit involved in reactions really makes things complicated. I think I handled that somehow, but I need to test it properly.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 08, 2019, 05:10:32 pm
Post by: SQman on March 11, 2019, 01:44:58 pm
My dwarves are now ready to face any Terror From The Deep. I resorted to a clunky workaround where a single projectile is called 'sonic blast', but plural is 'sonic blasta rifle clips'. Just now I realized it's supposed to be 'sonic-blasta' with a hyphen. Also, 'whips' isn't really the best word to use.
I know copper sonic blasts seem silly, but I wasn't serious even for a while when making this.
Edit: Added aqua plastics and zrbite that will only be available to deep ones through special reactions. Aqua plastics is a metal for weapons and armor, but cannot be made into ammo. Zrbite is as valuable as platinum, as dense as silver, but can only be used for ammo because zrbite is used for powering sonic-blasta rifles.
Post by: that_eye on March 11, 2019, 01:53:55 pm
Post by: SQman on March 12, 2019, 04:38:41 am
I have lost control of my life.
Post by: ZM5 on March 12, 2019, 06:21:54 am
Post by: SQman on March 12, 2019, 07:31:40 am
Code: [Select]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
WEAPONS:
SWORDS:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SABER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SABER]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER_ZM5]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_2SWORD2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_2SWORD2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H2]
AXES:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_AXE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_RAPIER]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
HAMMERS:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_HAMMER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTALLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_MAUL]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HORSEMANS_PICK_ZM5]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_HORSEMANS_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_HORSEMANS_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_HORSEMANS_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HORSEMANS_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HORSEMANS_PICK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_HORSEMANS_PICK]
MACES:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_MACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
SPEARS:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_STAFF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_STAFF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_STUDDED_STAFF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_STUDDED_STAFF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_STUDDED_STAFF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_STUDDED_STAFF]
PIKES:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
WHIPS:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DDU_CAT_O_NINE_TAILS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_CAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_CAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_CAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_CAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_CAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_CAT]
KNIVES:
[WEAPON:RHENAYAS_DROW_ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_KNIFE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_KNIFE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_KNIFE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_KNIFE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_KNIFE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_KNIFE]
GUNS:
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PISTOL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_PISTOL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_PISTOL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PISTOL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PISTOL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_PISTOL]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_MUSKET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET]
[AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:KO_DF_MAKE_LUMINOUS_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METALWOOD_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_AMMO_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_AMMO_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_AMMO_BULLET]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_AMMO_BULLET]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_BREASTPLATE:COMMON]
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[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_TUNIC:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CAPE:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_VEST:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_DRESS:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_ROBE:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM:COMMON]
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[SIEGEAMMO:ITEM_SIEGEAMMO_BALLISTA]
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[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_NECKBREAK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CLEAR_GLASS_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_NECKBREAK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_NECKBREAK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_NECKBREAK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GEM_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_FAN]
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[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GLASS_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_FAN]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CRYSTAL_GLASS_ITEM_TRAPCOMP_FAN]Those are weapons, armors and trap components for the first entity, the high men. A lot of reactions were already made by the mods' authors (Meph, GoblinCookie, than402), but there was a lot to be done regardless.Every weapon needs at least five new reactions, and sharp weapons require one more. I've decided to use more generic gear after all to spare myself extra work. At least now that I have high men finished, and all drow reactions made beforehand, I can just copy whole blocks of reactions for other entities.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2019, 11:54:35 am
In my own efforts, ive come up with a few new interactions wizards can teach. Im trying to make their teachings more unique to them and less spitting out the same spells you can get from any of the schools, and balancing it with their being a sort of true/neutral good character archetype like a race of gandalfs, not handing out dangerous or all-powerful spells to mortals like candy. So most of the cruder or evil-oriented spells, and really any fire spell since they could set the world ablaze, are right out.
For now, all they can teach are magic missile, which is just a weak aether bolt. They now also have Vanish, a hide effect which i dont even know if it will work with the sneak/observation mechanics thwt were implemented a while back. Theyve also gained self polymorphy, which just turns you into a normal fox, and Lucky Whisper, which is a self-only 200% skill roll on 100% of attempts, for 5 ticks adventure mode or 80 ticks dwarf mode. The last is "party Tricks," which is a greeting that spews a gas which gives people strong good thoughts like delight and joy.
Im really just struggling to come up with doable in-game, unique, morally neutral or good, not-all-powerful spells for them to teach. And i also disnt want them making your life difficult in fort mode, like turning all your livestock sentient and stuff. Theyve already got a big repertoir of their own.
Post by: SQman on March 12, 2019, 11:59:46 am
You got a lot on your plate for sure! How did it end up needing reactions for each item? Can they not be generically made or what?
Not sure what you meant by that. They can all be made out of metal, but I want to implement Meph's glass- and gemforge, Direforged's hall of light, and than's wonderworker workshops. It would be weird if only vanilla weapons were craftable in those while the civs have access to all sorts of modded stuff.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 12, 2019, 12:07:30 pm
Post by: SQman on March 12, 2019, 04:08:50 pm
Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:BOO_SQ]
[DESCRIPTION:A miniature version of a gigantic rodent used to power gnomish spelljammers.]
[NAME:miniature giant space hamster:miniature giant space hamsters:miniature giant space hamster]
[CASTE_NAME:miniature giant space hamster:miniature giant space hamsters:miniature giant space hamster]
[CREATURE_TILE:249][COLOR:7:0:0]
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[VERMIN_EATER][PENETRATEPOWER:2][FREQUENCY:50][VERMIN_HATEABLE][VERMIN_GROUNDER]
[GNAWER:gnawed]
[BENIGN][SMALL_REMAINS][NATURAL][PET]
[VISION_ARC:50:310]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[BIOME:NOT_FREEZING][SAVAGE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
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[PREFSTRING:going for the eyes]
[PREFSTRING:righteous rage]
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[BODYGLOSS:PAW]
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[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BODY_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS:HAIR]
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[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_QUADRUPED_GAITS:6561:6115:5683:1755:7456:8567] 5 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
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[CREPUSCULAR][NOCTURNAL]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE]
[MUNDANE]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:MOTTLED_WHITE_BROWN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]Mostly a renamed hamster, obviously, but if you see a Rashemi berserker around here, don't tell him I said it. It's a legitimate D&D monster though, and I'm surprised nobody included it in their mod.
Post by: Enemy post on March 13, 2019, 11:37:55 am
Post by: Teneb on March 13, 2019, 12:55:47 pm
Suddenly, I'm much more interested in making tiles.I've been trying to learn for a while, since it's an area where I am lacking and want to not lack in. It's damn frustrating.
Post by: scourge728 on March 13, 2019, 03:21:53 pm
Post by: ZM5 on March 13, 2019, 03:37:32 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 13, 2019, 04:28:36 pm
Gotta wonder just what "enhanced graphics support and audio" is going to mean.
Alright, so ive made the decision to give wizards familiars. The only way i know to easily assign a particular pet to a particular individual is through war training, but thats okay in this case; the familiar also has a set of combat powers of its own to defend its master. Theyre born dumb but get a self-only interaction which will grant them intelligence. That way they remain pets so you can war train and assign them.
And when they flee from combat, they get a transformation interaction into a bigger, meaner form of themselves.
Their main purpose, though, is eating the bad vermin. I just wanted to make them a vermin-gobbler of a "bad magic vermin" class which ill use. These bad magic vermin will partly or totally replace the gaseous rocks that are created in learning reactions that give harmful syndromes, much like im adding vermin forms of the magic essences that can bite and inject their essence. So biting "bad" essences also float around, and your familiar hunts them. Im just not sure how active the gobbler token will make them in this role, as they need to be pretty quick on their feet to make sure they catch these.
Presumably in the next version players can start their adventuring party with a familiar pet already chosen, and fortresses could import familiars their civ has tamed. But it begs the question in the first place, should familiars all be unique species, because i wanted to add familiar cats and such, and cats of course already exist. But at that point i have to modify vanilla creatures, which i wanted to save for only the special version of the mod, to preserve compatibility with other mods. But if theyre different species, they cant breed with what is supposedly their own species, which is something they should be able to do.
Ill probably just go with different species anyway
Post by: SQman on March 17, 2019, 11:33:26 am
Why?
Edit:
After weeks of procrastinating, two entities finished! It's only downhill from now on until it becomes uphill again! And it will, and boy, am I not looking forward to making all those reactions for Hito weapons!
Post by: ZM5 on March 18, 2019, 09:57:58 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 18, 2019, 11:03:20 am
Ive also set up several new entity definitions for this critter, the wizard civ, and some aggressive thieving cave bandits. Will also make other bandit gangs later.
Post by: ZM5 on March 18, 2019, 11:47:19 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 18, 2019, 12:01:44 pm
I checked out a skin duplicate - the only difference property wise is the strain at yield line, which for wood is like 1000 and skin, muscle etc is 50000. And wood having a shear strength value of 40000 where skin/muscle is 10000, so i went with 40000 shear strength and set all the strain at yield lines to 50000. I broke down and made a whole new set of body detail plans for plant material critters to use now.
Komengs no longer burst like pinatas when you smack them. In fact, they now seem to be able to take on multiple humans in naked unarmed combat, even if the skill sets are stacked against them, and komengs are the same size as humans. It looks like the komengs just break a bone somewhere, causing the human to pass out. Humans seem to be doing a lot of superficial damage, but komeng fatalities almost all revolve around bleeding out (they have amber sap) after passing out from exhaustion, (so their hematite skull might be a bit of overkill), and komengs seem to not tire as quickly either (i didnt change their endurance value). So now theyre a little too tough. But i mean, they are made of wood and stone, so maybe that makes sense?
I made their ceramics new body parts and set them up to cover/surround appropriate body parts, but it doesnt seem to be working, like at all. Which is stupid, because ive done the same for other things before and it worked fine. Ill have to work it out tomorrow.
Post by: Ptasznikt on March 24, 2019, 06:55:50 am
Post by: Ulfarr on March 30, 2019, 07:29:16 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 30, 2019, 10:55:36 am
I just now realized in order for my mods to be usable on steam graphics thing I'd probably have to learn tile making as well... might not, depending on how well the game can handle a mix of graphics and ascii
I've had...some spriting experience with a different roguelike, so once we get a thorough look at the details and general style I might eventually be able to cook stuff up.
The real question is gonna be how easy it'd be for a mod to add its own tiles to a separate tileset. Dunno how clunky it is in DF currently, nor if a "mod_tileset" equivalent will be implemented for Steam Fortress.
Post by: Ulfarr on April 01, 2019, 06:42:07 am
Post by: Eric Blank on April 01, 2019, 12:36:47 pm
You could demand tribute from or conquer neighbors, that might trigger migration or at least trade with other civs.
Or wait for children to grow up/rely on marriages to increase your population.
Post by: Ulfarr on April 01, 2019, 01:38:46 pm
The other civs were sending caravans just fine*, only my home civ didn't and it seems that's the only one that matters. I'm not sure if I'll restore the pack animals. Having minimal ties with the home civ fits a lot with my current idea and there are always the visitors that can join the player's fort.
On the bright side, in six years, I didn't get any werebeast either :P
*I'm using production triggers.
Post by: JAK on April 04, 2019, 09:51:44 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sver on April 04, 2019, 01:46:35 pm
Post by: Enemy post on April 05, 2019, 08:45:44 pm
Post by: SQman on April 06, 2019, 02:36:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/71NTCRb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oRKS1zM.png)(https://i.imgur.com/sRdwv0F.png)(https://i.imgur.com/Vthkd8a.png)
In case plump helmet men weren't wacky enough, here is the dimple cup cow - a creature that can be milked for mushroom milk or butchered for dye. Now for the interesting part: its milk can also be made into dye! I've spent the whole evening making and testing those guys; you wouldn't beieve how relieved I was when I realized the only reason the reaction wasn't working was because the milk was frozen.
Also made a zee-bat (cat-sized vermin-hunting bat), a beak terrier (miniature vermin-hunting beak dog), an elk goose (tiny elk bird), and a cave raptor. Those creatures will be some of the pets of good drows in my new story fort and maybe I'll release them in a separate pack, working title: Dwarven Utility Pet Assortment (DUPA for short).
Next on the list is properly testing the barometz reactions since I learned about reaction classes.
Edit:
In case anyone wanted my dimple cow for any reason.
Spoiler: creature (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: plant (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: reaction (click to show/hide)
Post by: peasant cretin on April 07, 2019, 02:06:03 pm
Noticed how DF and D&D have this nice overlap after reading through dragonsfoot.org (via "footman's mace" site:www.dragonsfoot.org) because of the whole two_handedness aspect of the vanilla raws.
When you think of item population in NPC melee unit inventory—particularly with shield-using humans who have been assigned large weapons they'd actually need to two_hand to avoid the hit/dmg(?) penalty—you realize how borked recruitment gets in Adv Mode.
Unless you are combat overhauling, it's not a thing to tamper with.
Post by: Sver on April 07, 2019, 02:48:55 pm
Fort Mode invaders really do suffer from the way shield distribution works though.
Post by: peasant cretin on April 07, 2019, 03:30:15 pm
Yeah, I'm mainly thinking along the lines of a player recruiting the average novice skilled melee unit. And while you can customize your team, I don't want the opposition to be handicapped because they're AI with no player help.
This is in relation weapons I've added in. The vanilla weapons that cause the melee unit to suffer penalty to hit are just one of those things like OP bites and scratches.
Post by: TheRedwolf on April 10, 2019, 09:56:36 pm
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on April 10, 2019, 10:00:44 pm
...As a suggestion, use the spirit cores to transmute worthless stone into coke or something.
or an energy source if I ever figure out how to make a material work like coke.
Post by: Teneb on April 11, 2019, 02:28:19 pm
Post by: SQman on April 22, 2019, 12:16:18 pm
Spoiler: Goats (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Deer (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Bovines (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Antelopes (WIP) (click to show/hide)
Once I finish artiodactyla I'm gonna upload the first version to DFFD.
If some very obvious species are missing, it's because I was avoiding adding animals included in scourge728's mods, Voliol's Various Vivants and Enemy Post's Primal.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 24, 2019, 04:46:44 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on April 25, 2019, 06:48:31 am
Easier bulk manufacturing, and these custom reactions won't waste armor-type leather on clothing.
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Post by: Craftsdwarf boi on April 25, 2019, 10:17:41 pm
(Listed From Plausible and rudimentary task to the implausibly sophisticated and nearly impossible (or impossible) mega-projects)
0.Reading the raws
1.Adamantine ,divine metal, and slade forgotten beasts(FUN, also known as inevitable defeatism)(Being worked on)
2.Formations and field commanders
3.Neural network-powered entities
4.Graphic tileset powered by neural network, supports sRGB coloration system
5.Distinct (random) civilizations and macroscopic phenomenons with completely CPU-improvised tech trees.
6.DNA-based organisms
7.Simulation of entire solar systems, each with multiple #5s and eccentric geological formations
(Do not expect them to be released or developed)
Post by: Enemy post on April 25, 2019, 11:43:19 pm
Post by: SQman on April 27, 2019, 01:27:56 am
(https://i.imgur.com/9Co1xdD.png)
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Post by: Sver on April 28, 2019, 07:22:35 am
Post by: SQman on April 28, 2019, 11:36:09 am
Apparently, adventurers hunting wildlife in worldgen automatically train crossbow skill, even if their civ has no crossbows whatsoever, which hilariously results in highly trained crossbowmen who come to fight barefisted.
Oh so that's the reason why there was an unarmed legendary dark elf markswoman leading the siege in one of my forts. The more you know.
Edit:
My animal pack has over 150 creatures now, all even-hooved ungulates. Only whales left to do and then I can do something more interesting.
Post by: Teneb on May 05, 2019, 04:12:53 pm
This time though, instead of just jumping straight to editing the raws, I'm going to write an extensive design document beforehand. Also, instead of going for an "all or nothing" approach when it comes to playable fort mode races, I'll focus on a select few (while having others still around to interact with) and make them as unique from each other as I can.
Damn it feels good to be motivated again after weeks of crushing anxiety.
Post by: scourge728 on May 06, 2019, 08:11:24 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 06, 2019, 11:54:31 am
I always get so sad when I come here, looking at all the motivation you people have to do things...
Same. I haven't really had the energy or motivation to do anything DF-related lately, nor have I had any ideas just yet. When the big DF update comes out I might get a flood of new things to tinker with, or I might merely need to update my raws. I don't know 100% just what I'll end up being able to do.
Post by: FantasticDorf on May 06, 2019, 01:24:52 pm
Next one is a big one anyway, likely will be working on a intrigue based race of super sleuths/conspirators, maybe inverse-bolds obsessed with justice trenchcoats noir and fedoras. I did also consider the other side, i guess the Kollector from the recent MK11 game (Naknadas) with the blue skin, glowing eyes (pull yellow eyes off gremlins maybe) could do the job for a greedy conspirator race to root its way into societies with a bit more social subtlety than goblin violence.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 06, 2019, 11:38:56 pm
Basically using rune stones, built into a workshop, which create magical effects or items when reactions are performed. This also leads into golem crafting, which will call upon multiple magic systems, including runestones, enchanted armor, and conjured souls binding to sacrificial animals, to finally create a dwarven armored golem.
Post by: D_E on May 07, 2019, 04:22:00 pm
They are all having nervous breakdowns on account of how it's a rainy biome and they keep getting caught in the rain >_<
Post by: BluealienDio on May 07, 2019, 04:58:31 pm
I can actually make a lil’ dog-thing that doesn’t have three separate bodies due to me messing up the body and not connecting things correcting.
Post by: TomiTapio on May 07, 2019, 08:50:56 pm
Playing a fortress as a surface-dwelling, aquatic race (Zora).Nasty world with acid rain, from nearby ash-spewing volcanoes :^) :'(
They are all having nervous breakdowns on account of how it's a rainy biome and they keep getting caught in the rain >_<
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 08, 2019, 04:39:12 am
Then, noticing that Legends Viewer has issues with caste names sometimes, I helped it out by renaming the creature TOAD_PERSON.
Toad person, Toad-folk, Toad person.
And then a strange mood struck and I'm stuck here for the next few days renaming all those damn men (luckily it seems like only the Toad Man's actual description was problematic).
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 09, 2019, 08:15:53 am
My minotaurs dominate worldgen, all die very young and love to build tombs. It's a recipe for disaster. :)
Post by: peasant cretin on May 09, 2019, 06:54:10 pm
So anyways, added a PREPARE:RECOVER to the bedroll allowing it to be strapped to the body. Figured I'd also do this with jugs and the pouch. We always see NPCs with pouches attached to their clothing, but for player characters, pouches end up in backpacks.
Will also add in scabbards of varying sizes due to coming across Wyrdean's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=116576) post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173849.0)
Probably go with small for daggers/knives, standard (=no adj modifier) for short swords/scimitars, long for long swords, and large for 2H'ers. Made from either leather, wool, or wood.
While PREPARE:RECOVER allows a tool to be strapped to the body, it also allows it to suffer the accelerated wear that all tools suffer in comparison to weapons. Give dwarves boning/carving/slicing knives andf maybe even a tool oriented short sword in entity.txt and go view an insurrection. Seems like wear's based on item token and then material type. Unfortunate.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 09, 2019, 07:06:45 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on May 09, 2019, 07:08:14 pm
You mean accelerated wear from hitting people with it, or do they just decay and fall apart?
From people hitting other people.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 09, 2019, 07:09:15 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on May 10, 2019, 10:59:21 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on May 11, 2019, 07:21:51 am
Looking to add specific creature classes and Sound-Vocalizations in one fell swoop... and there are just too many bird subcategories for sounds. Arrgh! I'll probably have to start simple with a blanket treatment for giant bugs.
Feel free to grab some soundmessages from me; towns are _quite_ livelier when citizens shout and mutter.
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Post by: Warlord255 on May 11, 2019, 11:26:06 am
Looking to add specific creature classes and Sound-Vocalizations in one fell swoop... and there are just too many bird subcategories for sounds. Arrgh! I'll probably have to start simple with a blanket treatment for giant bugs.
Feel free to grab some soundmessages from me; towns are _quite_ livelier when citizens shout and mutter.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wow, thanks! I hadn't considered using these on sentients... I don't play enough Adventure mode, but in my experience towns tend to be super overwhelming as-is. Still, it might warrant inclusion.
Do you know if vermin use vocalizations? I can't spawn them in the arena to test it, but if not then it'll be a little strange adding them to giant beasts exclusively. I'm also not sure if creature variations can remove SOUND.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 11, 2019, 01:42:20 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on May 12, 2019, 05:43:02 pm
New problem: Is there any way for a syndrome to add a prefix instead of a suffix? e.g. "vampiric dwarf" instead of "dwarf vampire." Search has come up empty so far.
Post by: Teneb on May 12, 2019, 07:09:57 pm
Alright. Vocalizations have been handled for now - applying them to vermin that turn into animal/giant variants should be fine, as they carry over.There ain't
New problem: Is there any way for a syndrome to add a prefix instead of a suffix? e.g. "vampiric dwarf" instead of "dwarf vampire." Search has come up empty so far.
Post by: Warlord255 on May 13, 2019, 08:23:47 pm
Better news: I found a way to override the GRAVITATE_BODY_SIZE function within the creature variation system, so I don't have to manually replace animalmen with dwarf-sized variants anymore!
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Adding APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION for this after APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON results in an animalman with neither large nor small armor, which a dwarf can easily wear! This will be super helpful for the next iteration of Vanilla-Spice, which is to buff animalmen for adventure/fort mode looting and trading.
Post by: FantasticDorf on May 14, 2019, 01:13:35 pm
Better news: I found a way to override the GRAVITATE_BODY_SIZE function within the creature variation system, so I don't have to manually replace animalmen with dwarf-sized variants anymore!
Adding APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION for this after APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON results in an animalman with neither large nor small armor, which a dwarf can easily wear! This will be super helpful for the next iteration of Vanilla-Spice, which is to buff animalmen for adventure/fort mode looting and trading.
Very nice, the backward logic is that you can also create the inverse effect of large and small standardised creatures, badgermen being smaller, or not massively overbearingly large elephant or moose men using a large or extra-large template. So you can just look at a creature like a human or slightly over lion man and instantly assume the correct sizing.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 14, 2019, 02:01:10 pm
Post by: Wyrdean on May 20, 2019, 12:49:20 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173938.0
Post by: Wyrdean on May 20, 2019, 12:53:35 pm
Had modded in role-playery bedrolls and began thinking, if I run an outsider, could I skip using a backpack despite being able to craft one? A minimal minimalist might actually be from Baroque Works.
So anyways, added a PREPARE:RECOVER to the bedroll allowing it to be strapped to the body. Figured I'd also do this with jugs and the pouch. We always see NPCs with pouches attached to their clothing, but for player characters, pouches end up in backpacks.
Will also add in scabbards of varying sizes due to coming across Wyrdean's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=116576) post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=173849.0)
Probably go with small for daggers/knives, standard (=no adj modifier) for short swords/scimitars, long for long swords, and large for 2H'ers. Made from either leather, wool, or wood.
While PREPARE:RECOVER allows a tool to be strapped to the body, it also allows it to suffer the accelerated wear that all tools suffer in comparison to weapons. Give dwarves boning/carving/slicing knives andf maybe even a tool oriented short sword in entity.txt and go view an insurrection. Seems like wear's based on item token and then material type. Unfortunate.
Huh... I made scabbards based on the code you gave me and made them craftable in adventure mode.
Post by: peasant cretin on May 21, 2019, 05:49:55 am
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Being a bit lazy lately, but have been compressing multiple tools into one item for P&F's crafting reactions. For example, instead of requiring a thimble, needle, eyelet awl and shears to make clothes, now you'll only need a set of (material type) clothesmaking tools, whose description lists those 4 constituent parts.
This was primarily the result of coming across the tumblr of Paul Weber (https://dm-paul-weber.tumblr.com/post/149233853987/over-300-downloadable-printable-dd-cards-i).
Currently thinking that while the single player sandlot aspect of DF sorta offers more playroom than the collaborative adventuring experience of DnD, the multiple tool feature of P&F has run its course. Though for now that's just for travel oriented crafting. Something settler/sedentary like metalsmithing wont get that overhaul.
The whole point of tools for me was that a martially-inclined hack and slash player can always covet and prize their ☼masterwork weapon/armor item☼, while a player who only wants to perform civilian activity is generally ignored in regard to their accoutrements.
I think tool compression here serves this need more effectively than what was offered before. If you're a tailor it's better that you have a ☼set of apple wood clothesmaking tools☼ as opposed to ☼apple wood sewing needle☼, but all the rest having quality of varying level.
And yeah, I know it's perhaps 1% of adventure mode players who avoid combat/questing altogether and instead muck around as clothier Urist, thinking purely in terms of dyes and rope reeds.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 24, 2019, 03:00:32 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on May 25, 2019, 05:04:28 am
No longer a prestige goal, cheesemaking is actually a priority in my fort now - because it allows me to target stressed-out dwarves with a happiness boost in the form of cheese stockpiles in their private dining rooms, or to just boost happiness overall. This is a wonderful level of control to have. Also, buying cheese in bulk from traders is suddenly worth something now, as is defending your livestock from invaders instead of shrugging when they're murdered.
With that in mind, I'm debating adding more "cheeses;" specific-effort foods that provide a happiness boost. My first thought is sausage; with intestines being limited, you only get a handful of units per animal killed. Charcoal as a reagent (smoked yak sausage) would be nifty too, and prevent infinite Korean cuisine without surface access like cheese. I'll get that working before I consider anything else; plant-based options might be too easy, though "candied fruit" using sugar and surface plants would require both effort and surface access.
Post by: Sver on May 25, 2019, 05:08:20 am
I've been playtesting Vanilla-Spice Revised more, and the addition of a positive thought syndrome to cheese is changing my gameplay in surprising ways.
No longer a prestige goal, cheesemaking is actually a priority in my fort now - because it allows me to target stressed-out dwarves with a happiness boost in the form of cheese stockpiles in their private dining rooms, or to just boost happiness overall. This is a wonderful level of control to have. Also, buying cheese in bulk from traders is suddenly worth something now, as is defending your livestock from invaders instead of shrugging when they're murdered.
With that in mind, I'm debating adding more "cheeses;" specific-effort foods that provide a happiness boost. My first thought is sausage; with intestines being limited, you only get a handful of units per animal killed. Charcoal as a reagent (smoked yak sausage) would be nifty too, and prevent infinite Korean cuisine without surface access like cheese. I'll get that working before I consider anything else; plant-based options might be too easy, though "candied fruit" using sugar and surface plants would require both effort and surface access.
This is actually awesome! And a very nice (and literal) example of "fluff is crunch".
Post by: Warlord255 on May 25, 2019, 12:45:56 pm
Digging into the issue, it looks like I'd have to add new tissues to each creature with a sausage product, since cheeses are defined the same way to get the animal-named cheese. So piggybacking off Taffer's "tough intestines" might be helpful there by using the same creatures and skipping those which don't make sense. Like, who's gonna make sausage with rabbit guts?
Either way, it'll be a lot more work than I originally considered... but first I need to find reactions to make cheese and/or meat in a reaction.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 25, 2019, 01:49:58 pm
The bonus is you don't have to modify any creatures; you just add the mat reaction product string to intestines and point it at the sausage material, which you only have to add to the standard material definitions and maybe some weird critters like floating guts that don't use the standard definitions.
Post by: Teneb on May 25, 2019, 02:40:12 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on May 25, 2019, 08:35:40 pm
Can you add syndromes to material templates? Because if so you can affect all cheeses, even those of modded creatures, without too much hassle. Same for any similar things.
Yep - it's how alcohol works. Vanilla-Spice revised currently has SYN_INGESTED perks for cheese, meat, structural plant material and blood (for leech men and their ilk.)
Post by: brolol.404 on May 27, 2019, 11:57:37 am
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Post by: SQman on May 27, 2019, 03:08:28 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/1SgrEtJ.png)
It's a giant cicada nymph infected with a parasitic strain of pig tails. It's a cheap, fast breeding, non-grazing alternative to rothe. There is a minor problem...
(https://i.imgur.com/uOh4jKF.png)
Pig tail hosts don't produce much. It's a balancing measure, because they lay up to 7 eggs in a single clutch and reach maturity and full size in just a year.
(https://i.imgur.com/f9PYQl8.png)
The cloth is yarn, not plant cloth. It would probably be possible to make a reaction that turns the yarn into actual pig tail thread, but I don't see much reason for that.
(https://i.imgur.com/cgqkszj.png)
Yeah, it's a woolly insect, that's all there is to it.
Post by: brolol.404 on May 27, 2019, 03:22:55 pm
I'm forcing myself to be productive! This is my new baby:
(https://i.imgur.com/1SgrEtJ.png)
Have you considered making the parasitic fungus a syndrome that can effect any creature including dwarves to spread the fungus? It could eventually turn the creature into some fungus creature which could then be harvested. Could remove the eggs and make it so you have to infect other creatures to farm the pig tail. Could even have the fungus spread through dust or something similiar.
Post by: SQman on May 27, 2019, 03:57:47 pm
I was considering making an underground creature pack after I'm done with story fort stuff and Animal Diversification Project (that I should be bugfixing for the update right now). I'll have to learn to work with syndromes and interactions sooner or later, I guess.
Post by: Warlord255 on May 28, 2019, 06:37:22 pm
BAD NEWS: This approach would be indiscriminate, enabling sausage made from giant flies or great white sharks. That could be an issue. Bird sausage, while uncommon due to undercooked-birdmeat-spoilage, has some precedent in turkeys...
To solve this, I would have to clone the organ material templates to make non-sausageable versions and apply a second STANDARD_MATERIALS to large fish (and possibly birds) which is a whole 'nother barrel of work...
On the upswing, defining a separate material list for fish could allow me to rename their muscle meat (Carp sushi, anyone?) and apply an enjoyment syndrome for discerning animalmen palates, as is the case with my VEGETARIAN creatures. Still... not sure if it's entirely worth it.
Post by: brolol.404 on May 28, 2019, 07:20:20 pm
Post by: DerMeister on May 29, 2019, 03:37:51 am
I dont see a problem with letting all organs be turned into sausages. Nothing says dwarf fortress quite like "Great White Shark Kidney Sausage".Yes. More sausages to god of sausages!
Post by: Warlord255 on May 30, 2019, 06:23:27 pm
The cheese syndrome added some fun to an otherwise pointless element of the game. Why bother with pastures, livestock and buckets when all you get is +1 food? In that same vein, aquatic animals seem useless. They don't interact with your dwarves (though I added CRAZED to sharks and carp to try and change that) and, even if you go to all the trouble of draining the ocean/river to secure fresh fish corpses, aren't any better than yak meat. Hence: sushi.
Big fish have their own STANDARD_FISH_MATERIALS which is identical to the common vertebrate template, but with a cloned MUSCLE definition that can produce sushi via MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT. Like sausage, it's an automatic reaction that should come as a pleasant surprise to the player, rather than a micromanaging chore.
I sat down with a nice seaside embark to test this all out. I built a filter trap lined with cages and glass terrariums, killed everything that moved until a Coelacanth spawned (which took a while) and after some unfortunate savescumming finally got it to flop into my drain trap before it could leave the map. While I had considered keeping it as a pet, it turns out that a bug causes aquatic creatures to air-drown in cages of any kind, while land creatures are immune to the effects of water...
The end result, however, was a meager pile of sushi and a heaping stack of fish organs, still no better than yaks. Perhaps it'd be worth it to reskin/rename some fish organ meats to "flank" or "fillet" to better give the illusion of the all-meat fish feast. Further tweaks will be tried.
EDIT: Single-count stacks of organs aren't worth renaming. Fish fat, however, is something of a contradiction - though tallow can already be cooked, trading fat for the "all-meat-fish" and effectively doubling the sushi count seems like a great compromise. It'll just be a matter of renaming a custom fish fat that gets processed to sushi...
Post by: Eric Blank on May 30, 2019, 06:42:51 pm
Ive made the first pass at proper familiar creatures for wizards. I made it easy by simply assigning them as war animals; they're small and fragile, but the intention is that they should pack a powerful magical punch. I'm currently fretting over how hard it will be to acquire more of them; since they're going to be intelligent critters they might not breed without a marriage, and I havent worked out the reaction to produce the glob that should let you transform regular domestic stock into familiars.
Then we can find out if there will be any issues getting them assigned to a master if they're intelligent and war beasts.
Post by: WonderPsycho on May 30, 2019, 06:57:11 pm
AS GOD OF MY REALMS I WILL RETURN!!
uhh… I mean.. anyways
it's been awhile since I've been on these forums lately, but now i'm in a really dwarfy mood right now, and feel like continuing on working on my advancefortress community developed modpack(yes I mean community developed, however not a single person has decided to assist me on working on my modpack), so yeah while I will be bringing back some of the old civs from the mudpack and upgrading them and such, I will also start adding new creatures, races, civs, and etc to the modpack mainly civs, races, and creatures, but I've been recently getting into making other stuff then just creatures and such like items and maybe some other stuff, I have yet to fully understand how to make diseases in my modding experience sadly, as it's kind of complicated for me to understand, but anyways, i'll return to reviving that modpack since i'm now into playing DF again
Post by: Eric Blank on May 30, 2019, 08:00:22 pm
You should totally incorporate Spellcrafts into your modpack. It's mostly self-sufficient, there is some setup each new civ needs in order to have full functionality with its features, and its best if new creatures have creature classes MALE and FEMALE assigned to the appropriately gendered castes, just so transformations that can, then know to transform males into the male caste of whatever critter and females into the female caste of it. But it isnt necessary, because if there is no MALE/FEMALE creature class, it just defaults to female IIRC.
Post by: WonderPsycho on May 31, 2019, 09:46:53 pm
Sounds like an opportunity for shameless self promotion!alright thanks for the tip but for my mudpack now, i'm no longer incorporating mods other people made, rather I want those who want to assist me on working on it to decide for themselves if they want to add a mod they made to the pack, or make a mod in the pack to improve it and such, but anyways again thanks for the tip
You should totally incorporate Spellcrafts into your modpack. It's mostly self-sufficient, there is some setup each new civ needs in order to have full functionality with its features, and its best if new creatures have creature classes MALE and FEMALE assigned to the appropriately gendered castes, just so transformations that can, then know to transform males into the male caste of whatever critter and females into the female caste of it. But it isnt necessary, because if there is no MALE/FEMALE creature class, it just defaults to female IIRC.
Post by: WonderPsycho on May 31, 2019, 09:54:57 pm
Sounds like an opportunity for shameless self promotion!but since you would like to have your mod readded in my modpack, sure i'll read it in, i'm the only one working on this pack anyways
You should totally incorporate Spellcrafts into your modpack. It's mostly self-sufficient, there is some setup each new civ needs in order to have full functionality with its features, and its best if new creatures have creature classes MALE and FEMALE assigned to the appropriately gendered castes, just so transformations that can, then know to transform males into the male caste of whatever critter and females into the female caste of it. But it isnt necessary, because if there is no MALE/FEMALE creature class, it just defaults to female IIRC.
Post by: bloop_bleep on June 04, 2019, 12:55:54 am
Post by: WonderPsycho on June 04, 2019, 05:35:11 pm
Is there a particular theme or goal to your modpack? I might look at it, and perhaps try it out.in the past it had a goal, but I've sort changed the idea of it from it being a modpack to add more fantasy related stuff to DF, but now I decided it's going to be a modpack where the goal is to put as much fantasy related stuff till the game can't handle it, as in so much to the point that every world being generated are now unrecognizable from it looking like the stereotypical DF world with new civs, languages, words for languages and names for generated sites, races, creatures, !!FUN!!, spheres, magic, jobs for civs, syndromes, interactions, reactions, etc. I also have the idea of including new utilities with the modpack, though I don't know how to program as I wish to have more people/veterans of the community to assist me, for now i'm the only one working on my modpack, so some assistance would be great, right now i'm recreating my foxkai civilization from the original old modpack back into DF's raw folder, and recovering other old stuff from the old modpack by recreating it all from scratch since I created it all in the old modpack thanks to my dedication to the modpack.
I'm going to update the GitHub repository when i'm finished recreating the foxkai civ and finally get it working, and then i'll share it in the forums for people to add to the pack
Post by: brolol.404 on June 04, 2019, 06:09:59 pm
Is there a particular theme or goal to your modpack? I might look at it, and perhaps try it out.in the past it had a goal, but I've sort changed the idea of it from it being a modpack to add more fantasy related stuff to DF, but now I decided it's going to be a modpack where the goal is to put as much fantasy related stuff till the game can't handle it, as in so much to the point that every world being generated are now unrecognizable from it looking like the stereotypical DF world with new civs, languages, words for languages and names for generated sites, races, creatures, !!FUN!!, spheres, magic, jobs for civs, syndromes, interactions, reactions, etc. I also have the idea of including new utilities with the modpack, though I don't know how to program as I wish to have more people/veterans of the community to assist me, for now i'm the only one working on my modpack, so some assistance would be great, right now i'm recreating my foxkai civilization from the original old modpack back into DF's raw folder, and recovering other old stuff from the old modpack by recreating it all from scratch since I created it all in the old modpack thanks to my dedication to the modpack.
I'm going to update the GitHub repository when i'm finished recreating the foxkai civ and finally get it working, and then i'll share it in the forums for people to add to the pack
If you are just trying to dump as much stuff as possible into a mod, you could just ask other modders if you can include their stuff in your pack
Post by: WonderPsycho on June 04, 2019, 06:50:58 pm
yeah I tried that before, but i'm done asking modders if they want their mod included in my modpack I decided that people shall choose if they want their mod in it, or choose to make mods that are only for the packIs there a particular theme or goal to your modpack? I might look at it, and perhaps try it out.in the past it had a goal, but I've sort changed the idea of it from it being a modpack to add more fantasy related stuff to DF, but now I decided it's going to be a modpack where the goal is to put as much fantasy related stuff till the game can't handle it, as in so much to the point that every world being generated are now unrecognizable from it looking like the stereotypical DF world with new civs, languages, words for languages and names for generated sites, races, creatures, !!FUN!!, spheres, magic, jobs for civs, syndromes, interactions, reactions, etc. I also have the idea of including new utilities with the modpack, though I don't know how to program as I wish to have more people/veterans of the community to assist me, for now i'm the only one working on my modpack, so some assistance would be great, right now i'm recreating my foxkai civilization from the original old modpack back into DF's raw folder, and recovering other old stuff from the old modpack by recreating it all from scratch since I created it all in the old modpack thanks to my dedication to the modpack.
I'm going to update the GitHub repository when i'm finished recreating the foxkai civ and finally get it working, and then i'll share it in the forums for people to add to the pack
If you are just trying to dump as much stuff as possible into a mod, you could just ask other modders if you can include their stuff in your pack
Post by: Emperor Sheev on June 05, 2019, 10:58:37 pm
I've been considering adding playable elves who are addicted to smoking herbs using a "smoking pipe" work station, or some sort of custom food item, and some shenanigans with interactions and syndromes (they have a withdrawal interaction that gives them nausea, but they can't use it if they are under the effects of pipe smoke or have had it in the last month or so).
The only problem I can think of is that all of the elves would start vomiting as soon as you went to a forest retreat, since they wouldn't smoke in worldgen.
Post by: TomiTapio on June 06, 2019, 05:13:10 am
I've started work on a mod to make deserts more interesting, but it is going very slowly, and so far all I have is a half-functional genie.Perhaps a "salt crystals" plant is exposed in the dry deserts, a valuable cooking item. Or collect dry desert-only bushes and compact them into fuel bricks.
The only problem I can think of is that all of the elves would start vomiting as soon as you went to a forest retreat, since they wouldn't smoke in worldgen.
Might try elves sweat giving them the prevention syndrome, that way hard-working sweaty
Post by: SQman on June 07, 2019, 06:14:37 am
I deleted generic wolf, fox and jackal creatures; coyotes and dingoes are alright.
Generic wolf was replaced by gray wolf, red wolf, arctic wolf, later today I'll make dire wolves. All trainable for war and hunting.
Vanilla fox is obviously a red fox, so I rekamed it as such. Other than that I added kit fox, fennec fox, corsac fox, arctic fox and tibetan sand fox. I still have to make bat-eared fox, gray fox and maybe culpeo. All foxes are vermin hunters, and their giant variants are war and hunting trainable.
Vanilla jackal was probably meant to be a golden jackal. It was joined by black-backed jackal, side-striped jackal and red jackal (or ethiopian wolf). All jackals are vermin hunters with their giant variants being trainable, just like foxes.
Other canines I've already finished are short-eared dog, maned wolf, african wild dog and raccoon dog. I'll also make bush dog, dhole and warrah if I feel like it. Then I'll move to cats.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 08, 2019, 02:09:52 am
Anyway, removed vermin from the reactions and made the familiars vermin hunters, though I might remove that and instead have the familiars confer a resistance or immunity to particular syndromes instead. The gaseous boiling stone syndromes are certainly working their magic in making people sick.
Post by: brolol.404 on June 08, 2019, 05:38:26 am
I've found many of my intended features aren't working as intended. Some of them I had tested previously and believed to be functional. Like reactions producing live vermin that escape from the workshop into the room and bite people; the vermin appear to be confined to the workshop they were created in. And vermin gobblers; turns out the gobble vermin class tag does not in fact cause the creature to seek out available vermin of that class like I'd hoped. I guess it's only for critters that root around?
Anyway, removed vermin from the reactions and made the familiars vermin hunters, though I might remove that and instead have the familiars confer a resistance or immunity to particular syndromes instead. The gaseous boiling stone syndromes are certainly working their magic in making people sick.
Interesting. What is the gaseous boiling stone syndrome?
Post by: Eric Blank on June 08, 2019, 04:01:33 pm
That plan didn't work out well either, as it turns out syndrome classes can't be used the way creature classes are to grant immunity to a syndrome by being part of that class. I mean, syn_affected_class and syn_immune_class only appear to consider creature classes, not syndrome classes. I would have to make the aura grant an on-self interaction that causes the syndrome, and then the familiars protection interactions makes the creature an invalid target for that interaction. That's the only way to do it that doesn't instead rely on the disease resistance attribute to prevent affliction, as far as I have figured out. But that's unreliable because NPCs will only use clean_self interactions when theyre dirty and players are not obligated to use an interaction on themselves if it could be harmful.
Ironic, because I ran into this particular brick wall before, with no way to add or subtract creature classes and no way to make syndromes consider syndrome classes without putting an interaction in as a go-between. Aaand then I forgot about it.
So for now familiars just grant disease resistance.
Post by: ZM5 on June 09, 2019, 04:35:51 am
Post by: SQman on June 09, 2019, 08:49:42 am
Post by: brolol.404 on June 09, 2019, 10:11:40 am
Post by: SQman on June 09, 2019, 02:30:45 pm
-Ponies are just resized horses, nothing too interesting;
-Giant angora rabbits, as I've mentioned earlier today, are bear-sized bunnies that are not only shearable, but can also be ridden into battle;
-Cashmere goats are basically sheep;
-Pot-belly pigs are smaller pigs that have up to 8 piglets in a litter. They grow to the full size in a year, making them an ideal food source;
-Silver foxes are vermin hunters with valuable parts;
-Rheas are small ostriches;
-fancy pigeons are tiny egg layers, useless for anything else;
-fancy Velociraptors are vermin hunters that come in many colors, from elegant black to flashy lemon;
Also made plans for a race with 27 castes, which I'm kinda looking forward to work on.
Post by: brolol.404 on June 09, 2019, 03:42:40 pm
Just finished working on halfling pets, most work I've done in a single day in like three months.
-Ponies are just resized horses, nothing too interesting;
-Giant angora rabbits, as I've mentioned earlier today, are bear-sized bunnies that are not only shearable, but can also be ridden into battle;
-Cashmere goats are basically sheep;
-Pot-belly pigs are smaller pigs that have up to 8 piglets in a litter. They grow to the full size in a year, making them an ideal food source;
-Silver foxes are vermin hunters with valuable parts;
-Rheas are small ostriches;
-fancy pigeons are tiny egg layers, useless for anything else;
-fancy Velociraptors are vermin hunters that come in many colors, from elegant black to flashy lemon;
Also made plans for a race with 27 castes, which I'm kinda looking forward to work on.
What's the race?
Post by: Warlord255 on June 09, 2019, 09:16:26 pm
Sausage and cheese syndromes work great and seem to improve the average mood of the fort, but present a dilemma of abundance; cheese is brought in massive quantities by traders, and bounteous provisions of meat bring with them many stacks of intestines for sausage making. Micromanaging the kitchen stocks to disallow each new sausage type (determined by meat used) is tedious, but removing EDIBLE_COOKED would make it difficult to keep track of them. A simpler "dwarven sausage" template could reduce tedium, but would mistakenly imply cannibalism - which is quite disappointing. Between serrated disc traps, livestock culling, forgotten beast bits and imported foods, my fort of 60 has over 1100 prepared meals and "other" (cheese, sausage) in stock. It feels a bit overwhelming, really.
My considered plan of reducing creature sizes across the board was starting to seem appealing, but I ran into a single massive flaw: Randomly generated beasts and clowns would not respect those rules, and those terrifying titans would become all but invincible if the rest of the world shrinks by comparison. So, for now, it seems there's still no solution to the meat surplus... Sushi, however, remains a pleasant stretch goal; since traders very rarely bring aquatic-beast meat, it's less of a headache than sausage. I think for now I'll multiply the value of cheese again and remove sausage until I can find a less bothersome way to implement it.
Next addition, when I get to it: an optional module for adventurers. Eat the [beating heart] of a megabeast to gain immortality, and maybe an ability related to its powers...
Post by: SQman on June 10, 2019, 07:47:05 am
What's the race?
Anthousai, or flower nymphs. They are an "evil" race that symbolize savage, untamable aspect of nature, also a project undertaken mostly so I have a reason to learn more about castes. I've posted plans for castes in LCM - Twinklestar thread in community games subforum, but there is no harm posting them here too:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Flowers will contain geldables (pistils for females, stamens for males).
The only thing I've actually done so far was generating a Hawaiian-based language for them. I know I want them to use enchanted wood metal, but I don't even know what kind of weapons they will be using.
Post by: brolol.404 on June 10, 2019, 08:38:00 am
What's the race?
Anthousai, or flower nymphs. They are an "evil" race that symbolize savage, untamable aspect of nature, also a project undertaken mostly so I have a reason to learn more about castes. I've posted plans for castes in LCM - Twinklestar thread in community games subforum, but there is no harm posting them here too:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Flowers will contain geldables (pistils for females, stamens for males).
The only thing I've actually done so far was generating a Hawaiian-based language for them. I know I want them to use enchanted wood metal, but I don't even know what kind of weapons they will be using.
This is really cool
Post by: DerMeister on June 10, 2019, 05:42:20 pm
Post by: Warlord255 on June 10, 2019, 06:13:12 pm
Will work weapon what is ranged weapon and ammo for self? I want make throwing weapons without dummy.
Sadly, an ammo item cannot also be any other weapon type. An adventurer can stab someone with an arrow or throw a spear, sure, but AI dwarves need clear-cut categories to work with. A Marksdwarf needs a ranged weapon with an associated ammo item.
One option might be to give your "ammo" and "crossbow" identical attack stats - a throwing axe, for example, would work wonderfully in this regard. But you wouldn't be able to use your final "crossbow" throwing weapon as a ranged option except in adventure mode.
Post by: Teneb on June 11, 2019, 09:03:28 pm
It's a fair bit more gamey than my last released attempt, with stuff like "siege weapons" that are actually creatures and simplifying magic by moving it away from secrets.
Going to probably make about 5 releases of it at least, each with a batch of themed creatures and civs.
Still, yay.
Post by: DerMeister on June 11, 2019, 09:11:45 pm
Work mechanic of geldable females or not?What's the race?
Anthousai, or flower nymphs. They are an "evil" race that symbolize savage, untamable aspect of nature, also a project undertaken mostly so I have a reason to learn more about castes. I've posted plans for castes in LCM - Twinklestar thread in community games subforum, but there is no harm posting them here too:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Flowers will contain geldables (pistils for females, stamens for males).
The only thing I've actually done so far was generating a Hawaiian-based language for them. I know I want them to use enchanted wood metal, but I don't even know what kind of weapons they will be using.
Post by: TomiTapio on June 12, 2019, 02:36:09 am
Work mechanic of geldable females or not?Both male and female castes can have
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
so yes, all castes can be set to geldable.
Post by: DerMeister on June 12, 2019, 10:02:00 am
What if geldable female will be gelded?Work mechanic of geldable females or not?Both male and female castes can have
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
so yes, all castes can be set to geldable.
Post by: SQman on June 12, 2019, 11:35:56 am
In this very moment I'm juiced up on Red Bull, listening to hype-ass eurobeat, and furiously modding cats. I plan to finish genera Catopuma, Felis and Leopardus today. Small cats are pretty same-y, so that should go fast.
Edit:
There's only so many real animals a man can make before he gets tired, so now for something completely different:
(https://i.imgur.com/mkqAAMp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GDHqBxr.png)
Jian, a one-winged bird admired for its romantic symbolism. Even if I could make them merge into a flying jiangjiang, they wouldn't be able to breed, defeating the purpose for the poor birds to even find mates. That's really sad if you think about it.
Post by: Warlord255 on June 13, 2019, 07:25:12 pm
There's only so many real animals a man can make before he gets tired, so now for something completely different:
(https://i.imgur.com/mkqAAMp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GDHqBxr.png)
Jian, a one-winged bird admired for its romantic symbolism. Even if I could make them merge into a flying jiangjiang, they wouldn't be able to breed, defeating the purpose for the poor birds to even find mates. That's really sad if you think about it.
I see what you did there, you silly weeb. :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SQman on June 13, 2019, 11:49:31 pm
Edit:
Finally managed to push myself to work on some original content for LCM. This time it's some of the Hito pets:
(https://i.imgur.com/qS3ZZA9.png)
Shiba inu are sorta useless, being third the size of vanilla dogs. They come in three flavors: red, tan and black.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sjtrp97.png)
Kabutomushi are half-ton rhinoceros beetles used by Hito for pulling wagons, hauling goods, and as war mounts. They are also building destroyers, because why not. I basically un-verminated Voliol's hercules beetles.
(https://i.imgur.com/oOGynSs.png)
Kuwagata are main war beasts for Hito. Those 80 kg stag beetles lay many eggs and grow to full size in just a year (exactly opposite to what real stag beetles are like), but they are grazers, so creating a beetle army isn't as simple as it could be.
I also used Voliol's stag beetles for this.
(https://i.imgur.com/5Zo1Gj4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/opyuX0y.png)
Rokubi is a hunting companion for Hito. Foxfire causes dizziness, drowsiness and speed decrease. The interaction is literally Rhenaya's drow mod's faerie fire, while actual faerie fire will be nerfed in LCM.
(https://i.imgur.com/akLDI8f.png)
Shisa serve as both mounts and war beasts. They can use Smite Evil interaction from Forgotten Realms Direforged to cause great pain to any creature with [CREATURE_CLASS:EVIL] (that I spent way too long adding to stuff). Non-evil creatures also need to be afraid, because shisa are 300 kg lion-like monsters, magical or not.
Another edit:
Remaining Hito pets done!
(https://i.imgur.com/xi6CptY.png)
Koi dragons are basically large dogs that are as fast in water as on land. They are the size of a vanilla monitor lizard, and has a dorsal fin and fleshy whiskers.
(https://i.imgur.com/mYQ9jP7.png)
Yatagacho are three-legged geese.
(https://i.imgur.com/mJbaCRl.png)
The kujara is a reference to Tomba! 2, my favorite PS1 game. These gigantic chicks' feathers are actually wool.
(https://i.imgur.com/MwU4A6A.png)
Bound oni are a slave race to Hito. They grow up to 200k and learn mace fighting quickly.
Yet another edit:
I've started working on T'lethians. It's going to be my first creature really made from scratch, and just so it's not too simple it's actually 5 creatures in one: pathetic aquatoids, pathetic but psychically gifted aquatoid commanders, unremarkable gillmen, mighty lobstermen, and fearsome tasoths.
So far I've defined all 9 castes (tasoths are genderless), gave them names, sizes, max ages, body plans, basic stuff like this. I had to make some body parts: antennae and four pincers for lobstermen, processing cells and energy unit for tasoths, sectoid organs (vestigal digestion system) for aquatoids.
I already have aqua plastics and zrbite for some parts made, but things like lobstermen's bulletproof chitin or aqua-ceramics for processing cells will need new materials and tissues.
Also, I plan on stealing some interaction for aquatoids' MC panic ability. I'll just keep putting off learning about interactions for as long as possible.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 22, 2019, 08:20:09 pm
Post by: Hetsin on June 25, 2019, 03:37:00 am
Post by: ZM5 on June 26, 2019, 01:36:12 pm
Post by: SQman on June 29, 2019, 02:03:55 pm
Spoiler: Aquatoid and aquatoid commander (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Gillman (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lobsterman (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tasoth (click to show/hide)
A T'lethian siege will be a great way to paint forts many colors as each caste has blood of different colors - red for gillmen, green for aquatoids, blue for lobstermen, yellow bio-gel for tasoths.
I started working on this late at night, that's why descriptions are crappy. Welp, I'm gonna go fix them now.
Post by: brolol.404 on June 30, 2019, 06:58:59 pm
I did it! I managed to create a new creature more or less from scratch! I've mastered tissues and body detail plans, so I'm basically unstoppable now! There are five castes:Spoiler: Aquatoid and aquatoid commander (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Gillman (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Lobsterman (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Tasoth (click to show/hide)
A T'lethian siege will be a great way to paint forts many colors as each caste has blood of different colors - red for gillmen, green for aquatoids, blue for lobstermen, yellow bio-gel for tasoths.
I started working on this late at night, that's why descriptions are crappy. Welp, I'm gonna go fix them now.
Very cool. Congrats
Post by: SQman on July 02, 2019, 02:18:44 pm
Differences from regular humans:
-Size of 65k
-Furry ears and tails
-Claws instead of nails
-Large eye teeth
-Catboys lack facial hair
-Cat-like personality (stubborn, vain, distrustful, ungrateful, basically amiable in every way)
Only semi-related to the topic of catgirls, but fully related to Animal Diversification Project - I've realized that descriptions for animal people and giant animals are fine when it's about tigers and elephants, but not descriptive enough for chiru, goas and tarucas, because who knows what a person with the head of a taruca would look like.
That's why I once I finished adding and modifying bears, I went back and started rewriting descriptions. While I'm at it I also change minor stuff such as cluster size, gaits and personality for animal people, and make size less random for giant animals. Bear men will live alone or in small groups, wildebeest people will travel in large herds like their feral version, animal man versions of common pests will steal stuff, etc.
Post by: ZM5 on July 03, 2019, 01:51:52 am
Post by: brolol.404 on July 05, 2019, 12:28:13 pm
It is a comprehensive playable goblin race.
Current Features:
> Goblins: Carnivores, Large Litters, Short Child Duration, War Driven
> Patrolling armored goblin armies (including underground)
> Constant conflict and war (including civil wars between tribes)
> Pets: Cave Rats, Beak Dogs, Worgs (Milkable and Shearable), Giant Cave Spiders, Giant Cave Bats, Cave Crocodiles, Trolls, Ogres, Dwarf Slaves, Human Slaves, Elf Slaves, Goblin Slaves (Pet Armor and Barding)
> Magic: Fire, Blood, Death, Disease, Demon
> Nobility: King, Tribal Chieftains, War Chiefs, Shamans
> Diseases: Cave Blight, Lice, Mites, Prions
> Stone Anvils
Features in Progress:
> Bone Furniture
> Bone Weapons
> Meat Alcohol
> Alchemy: Potions and Poisons
The goblins have all of the features that dwarves have, but are supposed to feel like a completely different experience. They are meant to be played as violent, greedy, war driven and vile creatures. Nobility demand a lot, but the rest of the goblins can live in squalor. The fortress should focus on war preparation, training and combat. Goblins should be sent on raids often. A consistent meat source is required for food and a bone supply is required for most of their buildings and items.
Post by: UselessMcMiner on July 05, 2019, 01:57:03 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on July 05, 2019, 02:27:00 pm
OH GOD NOT AGAIN
What happened again?
Post by: voliol on July 06, 2019, 06:24:13 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 06, 2019, 07:48:59 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on July 07, 2019, 09:26:28 am
I am working on a mod that I am calling "Goblin Fortress"
It is a comprehensive playable goblin race.
Current Features:
> Goblins: Carnivores, Large Litters, Short Child Duration, War Driven
> Patrolling armored goblin armies (including underground)
> Constant conflict and war (including civil wars between tribes)
> Pets: Cave Rats, Beak Dogs, Worgs (Milkable and Shearable), Giant Cave Spiders, Giant Cave Bats, Cave Crocodiles, Trolls, Ogres, Dwarf Slaves, Human Slaves, Elf Slaves, Goblin Slaves (Pet Armor and Barding)
> Magic: Fire, Blood, Death, Disease, Demon
> Nobility: King, Tribal Chieftains, War Chiefs, Shamans
> Diseases: Cave Blight, Lice, Mites, Prions
> Stone Anvils
Features in Progress:
> Bone Furniture
> Bone Weapons
> Meat Alcohol
> Alchemy: Potions and Poisons
The goblins have all of the features that dwarves have, but are supposed to feel like a completely different experience. They are meant to be played as violent, greedy, war driven and vile creatures. Nobility demand a lot, but the rest of the goblins can live in squalor. The fortress should focus on war preparation, training and combat. Goblins should be sent on raids often. A consistent meat source is required for food and a bone supply is required for most of their buildings and items.
Almost done with the bone furniture and weapons and then going to add some fermented meat alcohol and some alchemy potions and I should have a v1 ready to go.
Post by: TomiTapio on July 08, 2019, 05:37:32 am
Violent Brutish Goblin fortress? Maybe they can sacrifice body parts, corpsepieces, corpses on an ALTAR workshop?
Workshop construction might require a few rare toys, like a "shaman drum" or "bloody chalice" or "shaman scepter", and many daggers/axes, so player can't make a GREAT ALTAR right at the embark.
Code: [Select]
reaction_altar
[OBJECT:REACTION]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE3]
[NAME:sac rat remains, seeds]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE] --takes in vermin remains
--REAGENT:B:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:24:1:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mandrake root:SEED]
[PRODUCT:9:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:barley:SEED]
[PRODUCT:9:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:rye:SEED]
[PRODUCT:11:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:starapple:SEED]
[PRODUCT:11:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mossberry:SEED]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE4]
[NAME:sacrifice ashes, wood]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:150:BAR:NONE:ASH:NONE]
[PRODUCT:15:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:8:4:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TUNNEL_TUBE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE1]
[NAME:sac horns+teeth, seeds]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:ANY_RAW_MATERIAL:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_HORN_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:B:3:ANY_RAW_MATERIAL:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_TOOTH_MATERIAL]
[PRODUCT:18:1:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mandrake root:SEED]
[PRODUCT:6:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:barley:SEED]
[PRODUCT:6:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:rye:SEED]
[PRODUCT:5:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:starapple:SEED]
[PRODUCT:5:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mossberry:SEED]
[PRODUCT:10:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE] --maybe get a dagger made of horn.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE2]
[NAME:sac bodyparts, ash+copper]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE] --eg. two skulls one skeleton. bone, skull, tooth.
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:50:1:BAR:NONE:ASH:NONE][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE] --ice. Ice is nature.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE5]
[NAME:sac more parts, wood] --seen go in: skull, partial skeleton, wool, nervous. bone, skull, tooth. partial skeleton, hand. Approved.
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:7:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:25:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:12:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:SPORE_TREE]
[PRODUCT:17:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE] --ice. Ice is nature. usually melts right away.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE6]
[NAME:cheese grows fungiwood]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:10:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:CHEESE] --accept rotten cheese too.
[REAGENT:cheese container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:A][PRESERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:45:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:12:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TOWER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:3:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:5:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:SPORE_TREE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE7]
[NAME:make ice w nethercap] and air moisture. usually melts right away.
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:97:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:70:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE]
[PRODUCT:4:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TOWER_CAP]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
---------------------------------------------
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR1]
[NAME:sacrifice iron weapon] 25% chance of lead, iron or bronze bars, 4% chance of epic bronze weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:IRON]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:LEAD][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:IRON][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:BRONZE][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GIANTS:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR_HEAVENS:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL_ARMOK:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR2]
[NAME:sacrifice steel weapon] 18% chance of copper, steel or blacksteel bars, 8% chance of epic blacksteel weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:STEEL]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:3:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GIANTS:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCIMITAR_VIPERLORD:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_DREADCLAYMORE:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_WHIP_HELLSLAVER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FLAIL_SOULREAPER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK_MOUNTAINKING:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR_HEAVENS:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_CLOUDGOD:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL_ARMOK:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE_DRAGONSLAYER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR3]
[NAME:sacrifice copper weapon] 35% chance of copper bars, 5% chance of steel bars, 2% chance of epic blacksteel weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:COPPER]
[PRODUCT:35:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK_MOUNTAINKING:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
Post by: brolol.404 on July 08, 2019, 07:08:06 am
Violent Brutish Goblin fortress? Maybe they can sacrifice body parts, corpsepieces, corpses on an ALTAR workshop?
Workshop construction might require a few rare toys, like a "shaman drum" or "bloody chalice" or "shaman scepter", and many daggers/axes, so player can't make a GREAT ALTAR right at the embark.Code: [Select]reaction_altar
[OBJECT:REACTION]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE3]
[NAME:sac rat remains, seeds]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE] --takes in vermin remains
--REAGENT:B:1:WOOD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:24:1:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mandrake root:SEED]
[PRODUCT:9:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:barley:SEED]
[PRODUCT:9:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:rye:SEED]
[PRODUCT:11:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:starapple:SEED]
[PRODUCT:11:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mossberry:SEED]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE4]
[NAME:sacrifice ashes, wood]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:150:BAR:NONE:ASH:NONE]
[PRODUCT:15:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:8:4:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TUNNEL_TUBE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE1]
[NAME:sac horns+teeth, seeds]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:ANY_RAW_MATERIAL:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_HORN_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:B:3:ANY_RAW_MATERIAL:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_TOOTH_MATERIAL]
[PRODUCT:18:1:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mandrake root:SEED]
[PRODUCT:6:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:barley:SEED]
[PRODUCT:6:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:rye:SEED]
[PRODUCT:5:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:starapple:SEED]
[PRODUCT:5:4:SEEDS:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT_MAT:mossberry:SEED]
[PRODUCT:10:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE] --maybe get a dagger made of horn.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE2]
[NAME:sac bodyparts, ash+copper]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:3:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE] --eg. two skulls one skeleton. bone, skull, tooth.
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:50:1:BAR:NONE:ASH:NONE][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE] --ice. Ice is nature.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE5]
[NAME:sac more parts, wood] --seen go in: skull, partial skeleton, wool, nervous. bone, skull, tooth. partial skeleton, hand. Approved.
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:7:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:25:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:12:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:SPORE_TREE]
[PRODUCT:17:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE] --ice. Ice is nature. usually melts right away.
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE6]
[NAME:cheese grows fungiwood]
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:10:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:CHEESE] --accept rotten cheese too.
[REAGENT:cheese container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:A][PRESERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:45:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:FUNGIWOOD]
[PRODUCT:12:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TOWER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:3:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:5:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:SPORE_TREE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_NATURE7]
[NAME:make ice w nethercap] and air moisture. usually melts right away.
[BUILDING:ALTAR_NATURE:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:97:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT:70:1:BOULDER:NONE:WATER:NONE]
[PRODUCT:4:1:WOOD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:TOWER_CAP]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
---------------------------------------------
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR1]
[NAME:sacrifice iron weapon] 25% chance of lead, iron or bronze bars, 4% chance of epic bronze weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:IRON]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:LEAD][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:IRON][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:BRONZE][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GIANTS:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR_HEAVENS:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL_ARMOK:INORGANIC:BRONZE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR2]
[NAME:sacrifice steel weapon] 18% chance of copper, steel or blacksteel bars, 8% chance of epic blacksteel weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:STEEL]
[PRODUCT:10:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:3:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GIANTS:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCIMITAR_VIPERLORD:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_DREADCLAYMORE:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_WHIP_HELLSLAVER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FLAIL_SOULREAPER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK_MOUNTAINKING:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR_HEAVENS:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_CLOUDGOD:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL_ARMOK:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
--PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE_DRAGONSLAYER:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[REACTION:SACRIFICE_WAR3]
[NAME:sacrifice copper weapon] 35% chance of copper bars, 5% chance of steel bars, 2% chance of epic blacksteel weapon
[BUILDING:ALTAR_WAR:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:WEAPON:NONE:INORGANIC:COPPER]
[PRODUCT:35:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COPPER][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:5:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:STEEL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_CHAMPION:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[PRODUCT:1:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK_MOUNTAINKING:INORGANIC:BLACK_STEEL]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
This is a really cool idea. I will add it in before release. The goblin pantheon is Chaos, Darkness, Death, Disease, Murder, Night, Torture and War so maybe I could make a reaction for each. Something like:
Death Offering:
>Bones 2 (100%)/ 4 (80%)/ 6 (60%)/ etc.
Disease Offering
>Cave Rat meat
War Offering:
>Abyssal Spear (1%): deals necrotic damage to non-goblins
>Abyssal Sword (1%): deals necrotic damage to non-goblins
>Abyssal Mace (1%): deals necrotic damage to non-goblins
>Abyssal Flail (1%): deals necrotic damage to non-goblins
>Abyssal Whip (1%): deals necrotic damage to non-goblins
Post by: TomiTapio on July 09, 2019, 05:14:42 am
Goblin mistake in a workshop: oops a fire started. (use Bonfire mod's two burning materials to start a fire)
Post by: brolol.404 on July 09, 2019, 07:23:54 am
Sacrifice to Chaos: the workshop might EXPLODE, or make cheese_flowers. And make a poison gas / poisonmaterial_dagger that hurts user.
Goblin mistake in a workshop: oops a fire started. (use Bonfire mod's two burning materials to start a fire)
Awesome idea. I think I might just make one reaction called make offering or whatever and it will have a chance doing numerous things from different spheres in the pantheon. Exploding the altar being one
Post by: LargeSnail on July 09, 2019, 07:15:51 pm
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Post by: bloop_bleep on July 11, 2019, 05:50:21 pm
Post by: PraiseTalos on July 12, 2019, 12:27:48 am
Friend told me this is one of the threads I should post in to watch.
Post by: LargeSnail on July 12, 2019, 02:50:14 pm
Well, I can remember seeing IndigoFenix’s Gnomes mod for DF 0.34.xx on these forums somewhere, so that could be useful inspiration for you. I believe his gnomes had access to advanced technology like electricity, etc. on top of being in close communion with wildlife. That could be an interesting mechanic to add, to differentiate the gnomes more from elves. He used DFHack to accomplish that, though, so you would have to code that up or just allow standard dwarven machines if you wanted to include this feature.
The problem I have with the IndigoFenix’s Gnomes mod, is the high tech. I think that the dwarves would be the steampunk-themed race, and the gnomes the magic/hippie ones. In fact, the original gnomes (those created by Paracelsus) were underground earth elementals related with alchemy, and making them so futuristic is something weird for me.
However, I want to replace the electricty and the steam with magic and mana, so I'll check better that mod. Thanks for the suggestion!
Post by: brolol.404 on July 12, 2019, 06:05:03 pm
I am working on a mod that I am calling "Goblin Fortress"
It is a comprehensive playable goblin race.
Current Features:
> Goblins: Carnivores, Large Litters, Short Child Duration, War Driven
> Patrolling armored goblin armies (including underground)
> Constant conflict and war (including civil wars between tribes)
> Pets: Cave Rats, Beak Dogs, Worgs (Milkable and Shearable), Giant Cave Spiders, Giant Cave Bats, Cave Crocodiles, Trolls, Ogres, Dwarf Slaves, Human Slaves, Elf Slaves, Goblin Slaves (Pet Armor and Barding)
> Magic: Fire, Blood, Death, Disease, Demon
> Nobility: King, Tribal Chieftains, War Chiefs, Shamans
> Diseases: Cave Blight, Lice, Mites, Prions
> Stone Anvils
> Bone Furniture
> Meat Alcohol
Features in Progress:
> Alchemy
> Altar
> Bone Weapons & Armor
The goblins have all of the features that dwarves have, but are supposed to feel like a completely different experience. They are meant to be played as violent, greedy, war driven and vile creatures. Nobility demand a lot, but the rest of the goblins can live in squalor. The fortress should focus on war preparation, training and combat. Goblins should be sent on raids often. A consistent meat source is required for food and a bone supply is required for most of their buildings and items.
(https://i.imgur.com/GUFLniH.png)
Bone Furniture and Fermented Corpse Alcohol is done and in game. Just have to finish a few alchemy recipes and some altar spells and v1.0 will be ready to go!
Post by: Eric Blank on July 12, 2019, 09:09:31 pm
I've also been planning on messing with the new races and entities, and made a quick WIP of high-elf civilization. All their noble positions have high-and-mighty sounding titles like "lord/lady of records." They're otherwise kinda dwarf-like, live exclusively in mountains and bordering forests, and have their own language thanks to DFlangcreate.
I created ice giants, they're humanoids covered in fur, totally immune to cold damage/syndromes. Their civ appears in tundras sometimes and they farm mammaroths, giant woolly mammoth-like creatures they can ride.
I created the dreaded dust bunny, which violently expels its fur when antagonized. Should be great fun in cramped caverns, even though the bunny will probably pulverize itself thanks to the dust flow it creates.
I also made cheese-elephants, because what's better than an elephant literally made of enchanted cheese?
Post by: brolol.404 on July 14, 2019, 12:38:27 pm
Progress is continuing slowly on Goblin Fortress. Once I fix the nobility issue, I will be basically ready for a release version.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 15, 2019, 01:20:25 pm
Several dwarves and animals died because their clothes melted and formed puddles and got them "choking on their vomit" drunk. But they started casting their dwarfy magics! So it's technically a success, right?
I removed the suffocation effect from the syndrome, but dwarves will still migrate and instantly get wasted when their socks dissolve into skin soluble booze.
The good news is this method ensures almost guaranteed transmission between large segments of the population in both fort and adventure modes, without modifying vanilla raws, adding castes or making their brains ooze syndromy goo like wizards have to, and combined with a cdi that transmits it to the rest, ensures everyone gets a chance at earning their respective racial abilities, but not everybody gets everything (important!)
Post by: brolol.404 on July 18, 2019, 09:31:14 am
Bone weapons and armor have been added. The altar has an offering and the nobility issues have been fixed.
The last thing to do (besides extensive testing) for the v1.0 release is to add the following seven drugs:
Drug 1 (Exhilarant)
Duration: Very Long
Effects: Increased Movement and Work Speed, Exhilarating, Removes the Need to Eat or Sleep
After Effects: Decreased Movement and Work Speed, Very Tired, Very Hungry
Other Possible Effects: Erractic Behaivor (10%), Blisters on Mouth (5%), Heart Attack (1%)
Drug 2 (Euphoric)
Duration: Medium
Effects: Euphoria, Bliss, Happiness, Removes the Need to Drink
After Effects: Depression
Other Possible Effects: Fever (5%), Kidney Failure (1%)
Drug 3 (Pain Killer)
Duration: Long
Effects: No Pain, Tired
After Effects: Very Tired
Other Possible Effects: Unconscious (5%), Lung Paralysis (1%)
Drug 4 (Courage)
duration: Short
Effects: No Fear, Happiness, Removes the Need to Eat or Sleep
After Effects: Paranoia, Fear
Other Possible Effects: Erratic Behavior (5%), Anger (5%), Heart Attack (1%)
Drug 5 (Steroid)
Duration: Short
Effects: Increases Physical Stats
After Effects: Lowers Physical Stats, Very Tired
Other Possible Effects: Depression (10%), Liver Failure (5%), Heart Attack (1%)
Drug 6 (Mental Steroid)
Duration: Long
Effects: Increases Mental Stats
After Effects: Lowers Mental Stats, Very Tired
Other Possible Effects: Paranoid (10%), Confused (10%), Depression (5%), Brain Damage (1%)
Drug 7 (Hallucinogen)
Duration: Long
Effects: Erratic Behavior
After Effects: None
Other Possible Effects: Happiness (60%), Bliss (20%), Fear (30%), Euphoria (10%), Depression (10%), Anger (10%), Paranoia (10%), Crazed (5%), Opposed to Life (1%)
Post by: scourge728 on July 18, 2019, 11:07:12 am
Post by: brolol.404 on July 18, 2019, 01:01:56 pm
Post by: scourge728 on July 18, 2019, 03:30:29 pm
Post by: LargeSnail on July 18, 2019, 11:55:28 pm
There already exists some progress made, and when I develop the psionic powers system (and all the stuff of the ceremorphosis and the Elder Brain), I'll release a playable version.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: brolol.404 on July 19, 2019, 07:27:57 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on July 20, 2019, 04:40:09 am
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Pretty proud of these reactions:
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my to-do list is way too long.
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Post by: Eric Blank on July 20, 2019, 04:12:07 pm
Might make a rogue conjurer curse too. Just a wizard living in a hole playing with summoned monsters.
Post by: Ulfarr on July 24, 2019, 03:22:48 am
It seems like removing [RELIGION_SPHERE:TWILIGHT] from my civ resulted in the necromancer's tower to spawn to a different location.
Post by: LargeSnail on July 30, 2019, 01:47:47 pm
Created a script to perform ceremorphosis on your thralls, and convert captured enemies into mind flayers (or ceremorphs) if they're valid targets.
Now I'm finishing the Elder Brain system, and after that I'll focus on developing an industry for my Illithid civ.
Post by: TomiTapio on July 31, 2019, 04:58:28 am
were spamming the workshop interface. Wood furniture shop, looks better now:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8t0hot68lpln9/DF%20OG%20wood%20furni%20shop%20new%20%20Untitled.png?dl=1)
the light wood crafting reactions:
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Post by: Eric Blank on August 02, 2019, 10:01:18 pm
Anyway, they get some magical powers, and a transformation during the new moon that turns them into an empowered witch creature with more power and makes them a night creature hunter with a lair. So they aren't just sitting in their house in a hamlet scheming quietly to themselves like vampires. murder hermits, not murder neighbors.
Post by: SQman on August 07, 2019, 04:26:34 am
I've decided to trim down some of the extinct animal files, most importantly tylopods. Oreodonts, Sespia and Agriochoerus are all perfectly good animals, but they are so unlike any modern animal, and so basic and uninteresting that they just don't fit my vision of what this mod was supposed to be. Other deleted creatures include Anthracotherium and some rhinos, maybe Hyracotherium since it's pretty much the same creature as Merychippus. Pakicetus, Ambulocetus and Georgiacetus will probably get the same treatment.
I also started making appropriate giant animals into wagon pullers and pack animals. Elven caravans will come with giant gemsboks instead of boring horses hauling their trash.
For the old boring stuff, cat people were much more fun to edit than antelope people. Cheetah men are natural strikers, crossbowmen and macemen; ocelot people are expert archers; serval people have 100 friendliness; all big cat people have combat skills that should make them a bit more dangerous.
Next are camels which shouldn't take long, then deer that will absolutely take long.
Post by: brolol.404 on August 08, 2019, 04:18:29 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on August 09, 2019, 05:01:30 am
All 118 fish have been added to their respective temperate freshwater biomes with rarities, spawning seasons and times of day. I will probably work on some fish processing reactions next while simultaneously drafting up a tropical freshwater fish list.Two types of fermented fish sauce? Elite and basic, with elite requiring some fruit or fat in it.
Post by: brolol.404 on August 09, 2019, 06:07:56 am
Post by: dalord on August 12, 2019, 06:11:54 pm
Post by: voliol on August 12, 2019, 08:28:30 pm
Started doing some rough work on an idea for a mod I had involving playing as a colony of ants. I haven't done much with it yet besides making the ants themselves as well as wasps and bees which I figure would be fair analogues to goblins and elves
That sounds like a very fun idea for a mod, I like it. Some kind of homage to SimAnt.
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 12, 2019, 09:47:31 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on August 17, 2019, 07:12:14 am
I also didn't realize until this morning that the thread was locked, so I will work on getting that unlocked today.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 20, 2019, 10:17:46 am
The children will even know who their father is, if it was a dwarf. Not sure if they'll recognize their father if it was a pet or animal that never had a name or historical figure info.
All that should contribute to the birth sphere being more capable of causing "natural" pregnancies, as well as summoning babies directly here in the next version. Which will replace the awkward and kinda-crashy body part fall-off and reanimation effect i have now. That secret could also have interactions that remove sterility from friends and make enemies sterile. Or just swarm enemies with hundreds of summoned babies.
Hmm, a lust sphere secret could be too obscene for dwarf fortress? I intended to add succubi/incubi as a demon/night creature hunter spouse converter to terrorize the world. Wonder what sort of horrible buggy things could happen from summoning creatures that count as night_creature_hunters anyway in the next version...
Summoning will change everything anyway. No longer need to use the body part falling off and reanimating trick. That'll elemental summoners less weird.
Post by: SQman on August 20, 2019, 02:54:40 pm
All vanilla and ADP camelids should be able to spit now. That is one- and two-humped camel, llama, alpaca, vicugna, guanaco, Aepycamelus, Poebrotherium, Megacamelus, Camelops and Titanotylopus.
All camelids except for Aepycamelus are now shearable and their hair/wool should have correct color if [STATE_COLOR] works the way I think it does.
Guanaco lives in variety of environments instead of just mountains, bactrian camel lives in temperate grasslands. Extinct camels had their habitats diversified somewhat so there isn't too many simillar extinct animals living in the same biomes; that may be good for mods where extinct species are the main course, but in ADP they are just a bonus.
Llamas are pack animals as their description states. Giant versions of all camelids are wagon pullers, although it won't really matter with no extra mods in place since elves don't use wagons anyway.
I also made llamas non-benign because they are sometimes used as guard animals. Since they don't appear in the wild they shouldn't be causing any problems to dwarves.
Next I'm gonna go back to cats and add Dinofelis, then move to deer. Can't say I'm looking forward to the latter.
Post by: ZM5 on August 21, 2019, 01:13:05 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/613773086570840074/unknown.png)
Should be fun though once I can release the updates.
Post by: Eric Blank on August 23, 2019, 10:06:43 am
Already had vampire seducers/seductresses, which are basically identical, but are vampires instead of demons.
Additional plans include making them capable of cursing additional innocents to the same wickedness. Surely that won't get totally out of control...
Post by: Abyssmo on August 23, 2019, 11:22:15 am
Post by: TomiTapio on August 23, 2019, 04:00:34 pm
Been working on the Monster Hunter mod as usual. I got a few new monsters complete and am currently trying to add the weapons into the mod. Probably should have added them in from the beginning of the mods release but hey, better late than never I suppose.If you're planning on Arena mode testing, ask "how many naked short sword wielding dwarves to defeat one <name of MH monster>?"
and boost the monster until reach desired amount of sword-dorfs.
Post by: MachoNacho on August 27, 2019, 12:15:13 pm
Edit: Also some regular creatures.
Post by: scourge728 on August 29, 2019, 11:31:56 am
Post by: Teneb on August 29, 2019, 12:10:24 pm
This also means I'll need to rework a bunch of stuff, especially since I was going a very gamey route and now I want to be more roleplay-oriented and, as such, will remove a bunch of complicated mechanics I added to the creatures with the expectation that they'd never be playable. Go me, I guess.
Post by: ZM5 on August 29, 2019, 02:39:22 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on August 30, 2019, 06:17:29 am
- silver dagger added.
- woodcraft skill to moss clan and female jade clan.
- unicorn: wrestling and punching skills removed.
- nongiant cave croc nerfed a tiny bit, ultimate croc took 30 pages to defeat, hand axe only bruising fat.
- thunderbird made a little bit larger, 1.9 tons upped to 2.2 tons.
- roc reduced from 16 tons to 12 tons.
- giant grasshopper speed tripled, and dodging given(mega jumps).
Post by: Asin on September 05, 2019, 10:42:16 pm
Though, I do have an idea for a mod where the world is basically the Underworld, yet the circus is basically the Underworld's Underworld in a sense... Think of it as the bottom layer of Hell. Also, all the races would be various types of demons, each scheming and skirmishing against each other, with some being led by demons older than them, AKA our unique demons in regular DF.
Post by: brolol.404 on September 06, 2019, 06:03:13 am
Nothing much besides waiting for the Villains Update and faffing about with basic little ideas.
Though, I do have an idea for a mod where the world is basically the Underworld, yet the circus is basically the Underworld's Underworld in a sense... Think of it as the bottom layer of Hell. Also, all the races would be various types of demons, each scheming and skirmishing against each other, with some being led by demons older than them, AKA our unique demons in regular DF.
This is a pretty cool idea. You could have each cavern layer a different layer of hell
Post by: Asin on September 06, 2019, 07:59:46 am
Nothing much besides waiting for the Villains Update and faffing about with basic little ideas.
Though, I do have an idea for a mod where the world is basically the Underworld, yet the circus is basically the Underworld's Underworld in a sense... Think of it as the bottom layer of Hell. Also, all the races would be various types of demons, each scheming and skirmishing against each other, with some being led by demons older than them, AKA our unique demons in regular DF.
This is a pretty cool idea. You could have each cavern layer a different layer of hell.
That's what I was thinking.
Though, due to it being a fantasy game, I can change up the order of the circles of hell in a sense, since we don't quite have nine layers to work with.
Post by: Superdorf on September 06, 2019, 08:24:59 am
Post by: Asin on September 06, 2019, 08:30:05 am
You could always use a custom world-gen to up the number of cavern-layers to seven. You wouldn't quite be able to tinker with all seven layers individually, but you'd get your nine-circled hellscape!
Indeed I would get it, even though some layers may be replicated from the 3 kinds of layers, lol
Post by: ZM5 on September 06, 2019, 09:04:26 am
Post by: Eric Blank on September 06, 2019, 10:56:09 am
Post by: Asin on September 06, 2019, 10:58:03 am
Nah, 3 maximum, 1 minimum if you want the magma sea and hell to appear at all. The magma sea and hell count as layers 4 and 5 respectively.
Hm, I see.
Post by: vettlingr on September 06, 2019, 01:35:37 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dKt7F9G/thoriumforge.png)
This is the Thorium forge, used to smelt Thorite and Thorianite into radioactive post steel grade metal.
Post by: Enemy post on September 11, 2019, 12:15:23 pm
*New animals are done, now to work on the unfinished raws Voliol made for the LOLmod. I might make a bit of stuff for my assorted creatures pack after I'm done with that.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 13, 2019, 12:24:10 pm
Thing is, these plant critters are all nearly invulnerable to unarmed combat against normal fleshy critters. They win 99% of unarmed fights, lethal blows are extremely rare. and I'm not sure whether or not I like that? I'll go with it for now, though. I have "blight" spells that can kill them and weapons arent that hard to come by.
Post by: MachoNacho on September 13, 2019, 12:28:36 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on September 13, 2019, 01:30:15 pm
I'm making megabeasts based on the 7 deadly sins. Currently working on the "beast of sloth" which is a massive, 2 headed, faceless humanoid which is incredibly slow but can turn people to stone.
sounds cool
Post by: ZM5 on September 14, 2019, 01:21:36 pm
Yeah. Given this kill I should have made an ambulance instead.
Post by: Asin on September 15, 2019, 11:40:01 am
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/622495204800200754/unknown.png)
Yeah. Given this kill I should have made an ambulance instead.
Wow, that is brutal. But, it's to be expected, considering DF.
Post by: Enemy post on September 15, 2019, 09:19:13 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on September 16, 2019, 01:24:41 am
I created a deer made of plant materials. Also milkable for root beer, drinkable without further processing. Haven't done much testing yet, but got rid of the errorlog entries it was causing because I didn't add hooves and ribs to the body detail plan.
I now want to change how plant tissue layers are handled so I get an edible fruity layer between bark and wooden core. Have to wait till tomorrow night though, my laptop batteries are low.
[Edit]
So I made the fruity flesh their new muscle tissue and replaced all "core" with regular wood, and then decided more of their tissues should be consumables. So I made bark tannable into treated bark that acts like leather, which worked perfectly. But then I got greedy and wanted their wood to be logs. But it provides too many logs. Root deer would produce 23 full size logs every time they're butchered, which was ridiculous. It took a while but I managed to make a reaction to process ten plant_growth "wood" into one actual log.
I also wanted it to be processable like bone into other crafts, but that part didn't work yet. My experience if the reaction outputs a body part item made of a woody material that has the bone tags, it could make a craft. But you can carve the wood into crafts anyways. What I really wanted was for it to be usable like bone to make armor and stuff.
Post by: brolol.404 on September 17, 2019, 11:47:55 am
You could also get around it by making the venom material a fixed temperature I think. But the idea of a dwarf spontaneously bursting into smoke is hilarious.
I created a deer made of plant materials. Also milkable for root beer, drinkable without further processing. Haven't done much testing yet, but got rid of the errorlog entries it was causing because I didn't add hooves and ribs to the body detail plan.
I now want to change how plant tissue layers are handled so I get an edible fruity layer between bark and wooden core. Have to wait till tomorrow night though, my laptop batteries are low.
[Edit]
So I made the fruity flesh their new muscle tissue and replaced all "core" with regular wood, and then decided more of their tissues should be consumables. So I made bark tannable into treated bark that acts like leather, which worked perfectly. But then I got greedy and wanted their wood to be logs. But it provides too many logs. Root deer would produce 23 full size logs every time they're butchered, which was ridiculous. It took a while but I managed to make a reaction to process ten plant_growth "wood" into one actual log.
I also wanted it to be processable like bone into other crafts, but that part didn't work yet. My experience if the reaction outputs a body part item made of a woody material that has the bone tags, it could make a craft. But you can carve the wood into crafts anyways. What I really wanted was for it to be usable like bone to make armor and stuff.
This is pretty cool. You should use this general body template for a humanoid plant druid race
Post by: TomiTapio on September 17, 2019, 01:10:34 pm
So I made bark tannable into treated bark that acts like leather, which worked perfectly. But then I got greedy and wanted their wood to be logs. But it provides too many logs. Root deer would produce 23 full size logs every time they're butchered, which was ridiculous. It took a while but I managed to make a reaction to process ten plant_growth "wood" into one actual log.One wood haulful is 18 to 40 kilos, I guess a deer-sized one would be 2.7 x 22 kg of wood.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 17, 2019, 02:07:50 pm
I made Komeng already, and while they're not culturally "druids" or particularly nature focused, they are made of wood and stone. Could still make a druid race of a sort though.
@tomitapio
I'll double check and make sure their "butcher" to "final" weight ratio makes sense, I guess. Theyre normal deer sized, so 140,000cc fully grown, and butcher to produce 1 bark/skin, 10-11 fruit, and some quantity of pith, plus the 20 or so bits of wood.
Post by: Enemy post on September 18, 2019, 01:28:42 am
Post by: ZM5 on September 18, 2019, 02:21:16 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on September 18, 2019, 05:50:40 pm
Maybe I'll have them milkable for inedible sap (they already have sap for blood, is it too weird to have blood-sap and milk-sap? Or that only females can actually be milked if theyre being milked for blood that is shared between the sexes anyway?), and then the player can process that into barrels of beer or syrup, sugar, whatever.
Ive also been unable to change the ratio of fruit to wood reliably. tried changing tissue ratios in the b_detail_plan for them, but they're pretty consistent regardless. The wood buts are working as bones, and thorns can be used like ivory (since Ive been using the thorn tissue for hooves, claws, teeth, horns etc) so the material usages are working as expected.
The wood weighs 50 urists a piece as corpse pieces, oddly.
Post by: SQman on September 19, 2019, 01:38:38 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/NE1I2Ix.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ecebvs2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1HFekdS.png)
Pets, weapons and catgirls are done. Aqua plastics is a material that only T'lethians will have access to, though it's actually just renamed and recolored refined diamondium from Seiggrain's Farming and stuff mod. Back to hito; I was going to give them special armor such as kabuto helmets, dō-maru, etc. but then I remembered I haven't given morions to high men or galeae to high elves. That would only give me more work with gem and glass reactions. I will make custom clothing though.
On the ADP front, I've been revisiting previously created creatures, but also very slowly. I'm halfway through deer, and I can tell you it's not fun to come up with descriptions for so many giant- and animal man variants of creatures that are all essentially the same.
I've also been removing extinct animals that don't really fit the theme of the mod. Paraceratherium is not a variant of the rhino despite quite literally being a rhino for example. It's not even a case of popularity; Poebrotherium is staying while Basilosaurus and Chalicotherium get scrapped; I just want to stay true to the initial vision.
Speaking of extinct animals, I've been changing biomes around so that similar extinct animals don't end up in the same biomes - Megacamelus and Titanotylopus are almost the same, but one is exclusive to temperate grasslands while the other one to temperate shrublands, and then there's Camelops living in temperate savannas.
Post by: ZM5 on September 19, 2019, 01:58:55 pm
Post by: Sver on September 19, 2019, 04:32:53 pm
- Bronze colossus, being the largest humanoid monster, is only about 12 m (39') tall. That's about a five story building, if being generous. Not the Colossus of Rhodes I've been picturing, merely a third of that. It's still a ~140 ton bronze dude though.
- Giants, assuming they have a mostly human build and are not the squat and sturdy type, are about 9 m (29-30') tall. Roughly three and a half stories. Not like in the famous "The Giant and The Wall" strip, probably, but if one stood right by my apartment, I still wouldn't be able to look it into the eyes. Cyclops and ettins are a wee bit shorter, so their eyes could be about right.
- Ogres would be almost 8 m. Seems a lot closer to giants than I thought, at least, in giant terms. Blind cave ogres are slightly more voluminous, although, I pircture them to be shorter and broader instead.
- The largest animal person cabable of breathing on land is elephant man, standing at about 6 m (19-20'), if it is more human than elephant in build. Else, it's probably more squat. For a walking and talking fella it's still notoriously terrifying, you'd have to shout for it to hear you from up there. The largest, heaviest spear a human can wield is barely a pointy stick for an elephant man. Two-handed sword handles are easily one-handed to them.
- Sasquatch and yeti are barely 3 m (9') tall. Meanwhile, trolls and are ~1.5 times taller than humans, so, a little less than 9'. Resent portrayal of bigfoot in games is somewhere at this spot. Minotaurs are only slightly shorter than that.
- A giant rat standing up would still be looking down on an average human. Same could be said about any upstanding giant vermin.
- Kobolds are probably conventional halfling height, not smaller, as sometimes assumed. Gnomes are shorter, but the difference is very subtle, not like with garden gnomes. Fire imps are a head shorter and probably more lithe; for them, a dagger is as big as a longsword is for humans.
- Fairies, at the most generous assumption, are 18 cm, but probably shorter, accounting for wings. Pixies, on the other hand, are insect size.
Post by: LargeSnail on September 24, 2019, 12:45:35 pm
This is the Feature List (most of it is actually planned and not done yet):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking in a better way to obtain amber, but an amber-producing tree doesn't look bad for the moment. Any ideas are welcome.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 25, 2019, 12:20:01 am
That doesn't work, apparently, and I've spent the last five hours trying to do it this way and that, even tried taking normal hair, calling it woven bone and just changing it's material properties to make it tougher, but it won't let me spin that either. I wonder if theres a cap on how tough a material can be in order to be weaveable? Since it was by that point just hair like a sheep produces with modified yield properties I can't imagine what the actual issue is.
I ended up making bone and reinforced bone metals for the civ to use as armor and weapons, since they won't wear animal bone gear in-game. But that's all I managed to accomplish.
Brolols suggestion of a woody druid race got me thinking about that earlier while at work, though I didn't even try it tonight. I totally overthought it and decided on a three part species, with plant like lower limbs, mushroom material upper limbs and extras and a fleshy torso, and three castes; one humanlike, one with goat legs like a satyr, and one like a centaur but with a deer's body. Thinking about that now, it's probably best to simplify it... Maybe wooden limbs and fleshy core only? Or just a plain wooden plant race. Or woody limbs and mushroomy torso!
I just hadn't done anything with mushrooms yet and was thinking about what can be done with them. Gonna see if I can make a creature variation template that can successfully convert normal animals into plant or mushroom variants and fill evil regions with freaks.
Post by: TomiTapio on September 25, 2019, 05:16:02 am
I'm doing an Elven Mod, motivated by the fact that no other elven mods are actually well-designed to improve the gameplay or are very boring indeed.Feel free to copy my new trees and barkstrips-leather from OldGenesis. And the wooden and rock weapons.
We got cheap wood, furniture and broomhandle-class wood, and finest wood for best carving. Even a lightweight-wood reaction class.
Elves need tea and honey drinks methinks.
Post by: FantasticDorf on September 25, 2019, 06:09:10 am
I'm doing an Elven Mod, motivated by the fact that no other elven mods are actually well-designed to improve the gameplay or are very boring indeed.
This is the Feature List (most of it is actually planned and not done yet):Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking in a better way to obtain amber, but an amber-producing tree doesn't look bad for the moment. Any ideas are welcome.
The All Races Playable mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140713.msg5478815#msg5478815) does have a basic form of elves i've took on board to try and improve, but i admire you for the challenge you're taking on as even my own stuff exhausted me totally. How much DFhack integration are you planning if any? A.R.P uses mainly Alchemy and planting to juggle things around more than gathering from trees.
If you want some ideas, some things i learnt while doing my own home-made modifications are that obsidian tools are elf-friendly for picks and axes as long as they are a unique type of weapon, and that elves can cut wood with woodcutting skill but it traumatizes them in doing so with memories. So to play off this, certain activities deliberately require logs, such as from the caravan, emergency cutting trees or ethically grown later by converting seeds into logs.
Here's the example i used,
Spoiler: "elf tool weapon tokens" (click to show/hide)
I would put [HARD_MAT] onto that also in retrospect, it wasn't really much but it worked to my purposes. The obsidian was sharp enough to cut down unnatural monsters if i needed to, wood axes also can't cut trees since significant changes post 40.
Post by: ZM5 on September 25, 2019, 08:38:57 am
Post by: AshTheTiefling on September 27, 2019, 04:55:30 pm
I figured out how to make elves fly... I added a flying speed, the [FLIER] tag and 2WINGS to the body plan.
Didn't change the pathfinding mechanics, though, still broken.
P.S
I made a post about something similar a while back, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to add night vision to vampires?
Post by: ZM5 on September 28, 2019, 03:12:34 am
Post by: Asin on September 28, 2019, 12:58:19 pm
Otherwise, pondering ideas for new races for potential stand-alone mods.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 28, 2019, 01:49:58 pm
I threw together a "dryad" race last night from some new mushroom materials on the torso and plant materials in the limbs. Haven't really tested it or works out the kinks yet.
Post by: Enemy post on September 28, 2019, 10:42:20 pm
Post by: AshTheTiefling on September 29, 2019, 06:31:22 pm
Night vision's related to the LOW_LIGHT_VISION token, so no, it can't be added outside of transforming the creature.
Ah, that makes sense. (Thanks anyway)
Post by: Ulfarr on October 01, 2019, 11:57:56 am
It's still early in my current test run, but I'm happy with how things are developing. My previous solutions of having to embark with copper picks meant that either I embark with a lot of them defeating the whole purpose of not having proper access to metalworking or I limit myself to just a few making any project take too long to complete, which in turn meant that I couldn't have any proper defenses by the time werebeasts start to show up...
I still have to test them in combat but since they are made out of horn they shouldn't be too powerful.
edit:typo, I meant "...they shouldn't be too powerful."
Post by: TomiTapio on October 02, 2019, 03:14:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ulfarr on October 02, 2019, 04:38:22 am
Currently with only bone weapons readily available, the player is always in a dilemma of "do I make crappy weapons, crappy armor or crappy arrows?" (some wooden weapons are also available but these are even crappier :D )
I must admit that I really like the idea of reactions needing extra food to be used. Thanks for the suggestion :)
Post by: Sver on October 06, 2019, 06:00:50 pm
And yes, those are mainly Quality vs Quantity (vs Mixed) tests for now. Another, more tedious test I've run has been quite pleasing too, though: due to the tissue changes, the torso armor is definitely more important than the limb armor in the mod, as intended.
Post by: brolol.404 on October 11, 2019, 07:02:31 am
Once I get those out, I may do a small patch to both Goblin Fortress and Human Fortress before moving back to the normal stuff.
Post by: ZM5 on October 11, 2019, 08:30:08 am
Post by: brolol.404 on October 11, 2019, 11:57:36 am
Also, let me know if there are any specific werecreatures you want to see so I can make sure to include them.
Post by: MachoNacho on October 11, 2019, 06:17:57 pm
In the spirit of Halloween, would anyone be interested in some were creatures for my mods as optional add-ons? These would be things like werecatfish, werepiranha or werecrawfish for Fishing Expanded and weremastiff, werebloodhound or werepoodle. If there is any interest in this, I may try to pull something small together before Halloween.Only if you make a werepug because that would be hilarious.
Also, let me know if there are any specific werecreatures you want to see so I can make sure to include them.
Post by: Enemy post on October 11, 2019, 06:47:05 pm
Post by: Unknown72 on October 11, 2019, 09:35:33 pm
Other then that, mostly just adding in new inorganic materials and weapons.
Post by: TomiTapio on October 12, 2019, 06:49:58 am
Also, let me know if there are any specific werecreatures you want to see so I can make sure to include them.Weremummy, werebulldog, werechihuahua
Post by: brolol.404 on October 12, 2019, 07:14:32 am
Weremummy, werebulldog, werechihuahua
weremummy?
Post by: voliol on October 12, 2019, 01:00:18 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on October 12, 2019, 04:21:47 pm
werebeagle
werebulldog
werechihuahua
werepug
werecat
any other requests?
Are wererabbits in the game already? For extra halloween-feel, why not werebats, werespiders, werecats, and werepumpkins?
These are really cool ideas. I may do a mod for these in the future, but right now I was just thinking of adding a couple of werecreatures as an optional add on to my existing mods. I'll add a werecat though.
That werepumpkin sounds really cool, but may take some work to get the materials, tissues and body just right.
Post by: Abyssmo on October 12, 2019, 11:33:34 pm
Get ready because the next updates gonna be extra sinister, featuring a certain "two-headed dragon".
Post by: Ulfarr on October 13, 2019, 02:54:36 am
Post by: Abyssmo on October 16, 2019, 12:02:31 am
On top of that I got a handful of monsters for the crossover/event addon ready to go once Halloween comes around. My only complaint is how most of the creatures in the addon are just reskins of other monsters because either:
A. Little to no info on them exists beyond a few screenshots and an empty wiki page *COUGH*enma rajang (https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Enma_Rajang)*COUGH*
or
B. They literally ARE reskins of a monster, thus not really adding anything new beyond just looks.
but either way i'm oddly proud of what I could make, even if some of them are just recolors.
Post by: ZM5 on October 16, 2019, 01:57:54 am
Post by: LadyCookie on October 16, 2019, 11:37:11 am
First, breaking down the world to its most basic parts (much less stone types, a few creatures and plants, etc.) just the minimum for the game be still playable. I'll start expanding from there, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about raw editing. (I might also have a goddess complex and like to create worlds too much)
I'm aware that Dwarf 4tress From Scratch mod tries to do the same, but I didn't find a "bare-bones" version to use with 44.12, so I want to make my own. I like the amount of flavor and variety the game offers, but I think it's a bit too much for my tastes. And I'm also not that big of a fan of dwarves, elves and western medieval fantasy, even though I like DF's twists on this setting (like dwarves being so much more varied than your classic D&D or WoW dwarf, and magic being almost non-existant).
I'm also cracking my head to figure out how to work with Overrides on TWBT, for now I managed to make Gemset use different tiles for wooden walls (the original Gemset makes all walls grey-colored and brick-shaped, which I didn't like).
Post by: MachoNacho on October 16, 2019, 01:38:43 pm
Post by: Enemy post on October 16, 2019, 05:57:28 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on October 16, 2019, 06:55:41 pm
Wereakita
Werebeagle
Werebloodhound
Wereboxer
Werebulldog
Werechihuahua
Werecorgi
Weredachshund
Weredalmatian
Werehusky
Werelabrador
Weremaltese
Weremastiff
Werepapillion
Werepinscher
Werepitbull
Werepomeranian
Werepoodle
Werepug
Wererottweiler
Here is the mod as promised: [44.12] Dog Breeds - Weredogs v1.0 (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14564)
I was also trying to add an optional dfhack script that spawned a random werecreature on the hunter's moon every year, but for some reason it doesn't like the "modtools/force -eventType NightCreature" command. If I get it figured out, I will make a v2.0 to include it.
Post by: ZM5 on October 17, 2019, 09:15:03 am
Post by: brolol.404 on October 17, 2019, 02:15:48 pm
werepumpkins
I don't know why this idea has intrigued me so much, but I think I am going to run with it.
I get a real Classic Monster Movie vibe from this: Killer Pumkpins from Outer Space!
So, again in the spirit of Halloween, I'm going to make a giant pumpkin megabeast that bites creatures which in turn become pumpkin creatures that can bite creatures that become... etc.
Will possibly give the smaller pumpkin creatures a really high frequency to make sure every world turns into a were pumpkin hell. I'm not sure how this will turn out but I'm willing to give it a go lol
EDIT: I will actually use my hunters moon code for this. On the hunters moon every year 100 werepumpkins and a great werepumpkin will emerge from the darkness
Post by: Kyubee on October 17, 2019, 10:52:23 pm
So far, I've added in the mushrooms from my old mod (Shiitakes, Portobellos, and Psilocybin), Pumpkins (Basically renamed, orange squash), and three types of more "domestic" pepper (Chili, Ghost, and Reaper) with syndromes attached (chili and ghost provide erratic behavior, while reapers also induce pain and swelling), cabbage variants (broccoli, cauliflower, and kale, complete with overly expensive leaves and juice), prickly pear cacti, agave (complete with expensive tequila for desert civilizations to export), and sugarcane (because rum)
Post by: SQman on October 18, 2019, 03:26:59 am
-leather, hide and pelt - furry animals will bear furry pelt of appropriate color instead of boring old leather; small ungulates, animals with interesting patterns as well as lions will bear hide of appropriate color; some animals such as elephants and beluga whales will have leather colored appropriately; most whales' skin will be untannable.
-animal people can't gore with their hornf, I believe. What's the point of having a red deer man who can't impale enemies on its antlers?
-ossicones - giraffe ossicones are bony growths covered with skin; no horn tissue anywhere.
-deep ones - aquatic animal men should have legs and be amphibious. Blue whale man infantry, beluga man bards, horde of carp people slaughtering fishermen, this kinda stuff.
And the animal prople overhaul is sliggishly moving forward. I've been stuck on deer for months but right now it's just grey brocket, whitetail and mule deer.
Post by: Kyubee on October 18, 2019, 03:32:21 am
Post by: brolol.404 on October 18, 2019, 10:12:35 am
werepumpkins
I don't know why this idea has intrigued me so much, but I think I am going to run with it.
I get a real Classic Monster Movie vibe from this: Killer Pumkpins from Outer Space!
So, again in the spirit of Halloween, I'm going to make a giant pumpkin megabeast that bites creatures which in turn become pumpkin creatures that can bite creatures that become... etc.
Will possibly give the smaller pumpkin creatures a really high frequency to make sure every world turns into a were pumpkin hell. I'm not sure how this will turn out but I'm willing to give it a go lol
EDIT: I will actually use my hunters moon code for this. On the hunters moon every year 100 werepumpkins and a great werepumpkin will emerge from the darkness
Well, I am not a sprite artist, but I made a sprite for these werepumpkins for use with 32 graphic sets:
(https://i.imgur.com/LHMQOUr.png)
Anyone good with sprite graphics, feel free to give me some pointers lol
All of the scripting is done for this mod (and working)
Once I get the body completed (I believe to be done but needs testing) this mod will be ready for release:
Night of the Werepumpkins!
Post by: Kyubee on October 19, 2019, 02:43:05 am
Post by: ZM5 on October 19, 2019, 03:08:30 am
Post by: Kyubee on October 19, 2019, 04:46:55 am
I hate that its making me think of Troll 2. Angry male dwarves won't allow dwarf children to piss on the nilbogs hospitality.
I'm sorry to remind you of that. Lol. I gotta work on it a bit more since i cant sleep.
Post by: ZM5 on October 19, 2019, 06:15:13 am
Lol its fine, I meant it in a jokey way.I hate that its making me think of Troll 2. Angry male dwarves won't allow dwarf children to piss on the nilbogs hospitality.
I'm sorry to remind you of that. Lol. I gotta work on it a bit more since i cant sleep.
Post by: Kyubee on October 20, 2019, 02:11:55 am
Post by: Kyubee on October 22, 2019, 10:05:02 pm
On the bright side, now I know not to set wood to volatile temperatures even if it itself is fireproof.
Post by: Abyssmo on October 22, 2019, 11:00:18 pm
I made my wood too hot, and now everything is on fire.would you mind telling me how exactly you did this? I'm not exactly used to how temperatures work in DF and would like to know for...
reasons.
Post by: Kyubee on October 23, 2019, 12:23:42 am
would you mind telling me how exactly you did this? I'm not exactly used to how temperatures work in DF and would like to know for...
reasons.
Okay, look at Nether cap. Its fixed temperature is 10000, just above freezing. Add even a few hundred, and its dangerously hot. I turned mine up to... 15000. But set it to not get damaged by heat. Its stable in log form, but I guess it explodes when crafted with
Post by: Eric Blank on October 23, 2019, 08:57:41 pm
I've found anything above 10150 is unsafe to work with because some of objects in the vicinity, and dwarves, will be damaged.
Post by: MachoNacho on October 23, 2019, 08:59:50 pm
would you mind telling me how exactly you did this? I'm not exactly used to how temperatures work in DF and would like to know for...
reasons.
Okay, look at Nether cap. Its fixed temperature is 10000, just above freezing. Add even a few hundred, and its dangerously hot. I turned mine up to... 15000. But set it to not get damaged by heat. Its stable in log form, but I guess it explodes when crafted with
Why are you not satisfied with a mushroom that lets you make barrels that keep beer COLD, FOREVER!?
Post by: Kyubee on October 23, 2019, 09:22:47 pm
would you mind telling me how exactly you did this? I'm not exactly used to how temperatures work in DF and would like to know for...
reasons.
Okay, look at Nether cap. Its fixed temperature is 10000, just above freezing. Add even a few hundred, and its dangerously hot. I turned mine up to... 15000. But set it to not get damaged by heat. Its stable in log form, but I guess it explodes when crafted with
Why are you not satisfied with a mushroom that lets you make barrels that keep beer COLD, FOREVER!?
I was hoping to make Dwarven Microwave Wood. Lorewise, its also to be the source of cavern life in mine. the equivalent of a Black Smoker from ocean trenches.
Post by: Atkana on October 29, 2019, 10:29:36 am
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Eléde Alithithethe likes corpses and dwarf skin. When possible, she prefers to consume dwarf blood. She absolutely detests dwarves.I've been slowly burning through all my old dfhack modtools to get them up to standard + making some new ones. I've just finished with this preference editor, as well as finished making scripts for editing beliefs, personalities, and needs. That just leaves a simple orientation script, something to help with appearance editing, and then finally adding all those to gm-unit before I submit them to the dfhack repo... It's taking a while Q.Q
Post by: Kyubee on October 29, 2019, 07:04:32 pm
Y'see, while Glaciers and Tundra *are* difficult survival experiences, theyre still utterly boring. Even an evil, savage tundra tends to only have the issue of the occasional undead giant bear. Nothing seems to happen in one, and most creatures have incredibly low populations to compound upon that.
I think its rather lame when the most dangerous feature of your fortress is the difficulty of farming.
What kinda creatures do you all think would make good additions to make glaciers and tundras even the mildest bit interesting without ruining the plantless tone?
Post by: Enemy post on October 29, 2019, 07:41:27 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on October 30, 2019, 07:04:56 am
What kinda creatures do you all think would make good additions to make glaciers and tundras even the mildest bit interesting without ruining the plantless tone?Reindeer, yak, yeti, sasquatch,
wandering goblin adventurer, wandering human adventurer,
undead spirit(not very dangerous in combat),
mammoth, moose, wolf, snow fox, giant rodent, dire wolf, giant weasel
Post by: Eric Blank on October 30, 2019, 03:36:52 pm
Haven't updated that stuff in forever. Gonna need gaits information etc to work again, feel free to use it for whatever
Post by: ZM5 on October 30, 2019, 05:48:51 pm
Also yeah, I'll second the idea of using sounds. Its genuinely unsettling to be walking through a blizzard in arctic area and hearing all manners of weird shit on the wind. Same goes for honestly any other area, but the limited visibility adds to the atmosphere.
Post by: peasant cretin on October 30, 2019, 06:52:19 pm
While adding the usual tier of Medieval spices (REACTION_CLASS:SPICE) for an open reagent (NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE) entry, noticed that for whatever reason POWDER_MISC alone has issues. The open entry will take GLOB with the proper reaction class token.
Also playing around with starting kits via SKILL:SPEAR. A little nonsense monty haul can't hurt too much if it's mostly RP.
Post by: Abyssmo on October 30, 2019, 11:06:13 pm
Unfortunately this update won't have as many creatures as most of the other updates due to October being a ridiculously busy month for me. Hopefully some of the interesting creatures in the addon will make up for the lack of creatures in the main mods next update.
What kinda creatures do you all think would make good additions to make glaciers and tundras even the mildest bit interesting without ruining the plantless tone?I'd probably recommend adding giant ice construct creatures or maybe even The Thing/Blood Glacier type werecreatures that can infect your Dwarves if you wanna go for more of a horror tone with those biomes.
Post by: Enemy post on October 30, 2019, 11:11:23 pm
Post by: Splint on October 31, 2019, 11:13:34 am
Should be a nice little addition so one can make their favorite soldiers even more special, by giving them fancy shields with leather backings, silken straps, and painted surfaces (just some basic decorations, but hey. :P)
Post by: brolol.404 on October 31, 2019, 01:24:01 pm
I've made weredinosaurs for Primal, and now I'm building an Allosaurus man as a template for prehistoric animal men.
A wereraptor sounds terrifying
Post by: Enemy post on October 31, 2019, 01:33:55 pm
I should have more variety for the animal people.
*The update has been released.
Post by: Kyubee on November 01, 2019, 04:02:07 pm
Post by: Abyssmo on November 05, 2019, 10:15:26 pm
I don't exactly know what kind of total conversion mod I should do. I had two ideas: One being a paranormal mod set in modern America with cryptids, demons, etc mostly based off of games like FAITH, Condemned, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and a bit of Trevor Henderson's artwork (https://trevorhenderson.format.com/)
while the other... well, it's kinda hard to explain due to being an original setting I recently thought up of. Lets just say it involves punching and fist-related imagery, LOTS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbaaI5xf4y8) of it.
Does anyone have any general tips and advice when it comes to massive projects like total conversion mods?
Post by: Enemy post on November 05, 2019, 10:53:42 pm
Post by: MachoNacho on November 05, 2019, 11:49:52 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on November 06, 2019, 07:00:36 am
I've found it crucial to keep notes. List the things you have to make, and check them off as you finish them.Yep, a changelog (for users and self) and a pile of to-do items.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZM5 on November 06, 2019, 07:28:39 am
Post by: Kyubee on November 06, 2019, 10:15:55 pm
I keep stuff around as well for to-do lists for creatures and the like. Comes in handy and its kind of motivating to check off stuff thats done and see the list shrink.
Explains why i never have the drive lol. No list
Post by: DerMeister on November 07, 2019, 07:21:36 am
Post by: Eric Blank on November 07, 2019, 04:37:36 pm
But that makes me rethink the regular elves. Maybe tone down their fanatical hate of damaging plant or animal life.
Post by: ZM5 on November 08, 2019, 04:42:05 am
Making violent, hateful forest elves. They won't trade, only slaughter in the name of their trees. But aren't item or baby snatchers. Just assholes. Should they have local banditry? Or just kill neutrals?Short of thieving/snatching there isnt really a way to guarantee goblin-style hostility I don't think. With KILL_NEUTRAL they'll attack you on sight in adv mode but I dont think it makes them automatically send sieges in fort mode.
But that makes me rethink the regular elves. Maybe tone down their fanatical hate of damaging plant or animal life.
Post by: brolol.404 on November 08, 2019, 05:52:17 am
Post by: brolol.404 on November 08, 2019, 06:07:55 am
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This script counts down to a specific date, displays a pop-up window and then finds
a random surface location and spawns a creature at that location a set number of times.
I originally planned for this to be done in one event, as one function
"function wp_moon_hunters()" that displayed a pop-up window and spawned 100 creatures
at random locations around the surface of the map. However, running multiple lines of
code (in this case thousands) at the same time crashes the game. So, instead this script
is done using multiple spawning wave functions. Each wave is separated by a day (1200 ticks)
and consists of 20 creatures; however, these numbers could be manipulated for more variety.
The countdown function is the countdown to the event. Note that it is not called until the
last line of the script file (after everything is read). It calls each event wave at the date
specified by finding the difference between the current date and the specified event date
and then using "dfhack.timeout(ticks+1,'ticks',FUNCTION_NAME)", like so:
local ticks = date_moon_hunters_START - current_tick
The total ticks in a year is calculated with the following equation. This variable never changes:
local year_tick_total = 1200*28*12
This is equivalent to 403200 (1200 ticks in a day * 28 days in a month * 12 months in a year)
The current tick is calculated using:
local current_tick = df.global.cur_year_tick
The specific event date is calculated using:
local date_moon_hunters_START = 1200*(7*28+9)
This is (1200 ticks in a day * (# of months * 28 days in a month * # of days)
The # of months starts at Granite (not January) and the # of days is up to the date (the day
before the day of the event)
Knowing this, we can do some interesting things here. Using a random number, we can now choose
a random date (within a date range) and not just use a specific date. Lets say that we want this
event to happen between June to September. We can now roll a four sided die and set the result
to the month, like so:
local m = math.random(4) + 3
local date_of_event = 1200*(m*28+9)
This will choose a random number between 1 and 4 and then add 3 to it. Assuming we got a
random number of 2, this event would happen on the 10th of July. We can further complicate
this date like so:
local m = math.random(4) + 3
local d = math.random(28) - 1
local date_of_event = 1200*(m*28+d)
This event will now happen sometime between the 1st of June and the 28th of September.
Remember that the random number will be between 1 and 28 and the # of days is the day before
the event. Assuming we got the random numbers 3 and 12, this event would happen on August 12th.
Note that these variables would change everytime the game was loaded.
You can do the same thing with years in the future as well. This code here says that if the
difference between the current date and the specified event date is less than 0, the event
has already passed this year and will take place next year.
if ticks < 0 then
ticks = ticks + year_tick_total
end
By multiplying another random number to year_tick_total, you can have this event happen
multiple years in the future. Once again, this would change everytime the game was loaded.
local y = math.random(5)
if ticks < 0 then
ticks = ticks + year_tick_total * y
end
The wave functions make up the actual actions of the events. For this script, they display a
pop-up notification or spawn a creature at a random location, but could do anything that you
want to happen in the event.
The pop-up notification is as follows. Note that this does not pause the game. I also read
that it should come after a creature is spawned, but I have not noticed any issue with that.
If you are using a pop-up notification and a creature spawn at the same time, I suggest
that you put the pop-up notification at the end:
dfhack.gui.showPopupAnnouncement("announcement", COLOR_WHITE , true )
The creature spawn is a simple dfhack.run_command(). Note that this only accepts a string.
If you want to pass a variable that isn't a string, you have to convert it into a string
first. The "modtools/create-unit" has ambush tags, but you will get a pop-up notification
for every creature that is spotted. So, if you are spawning 100 creatures, that is 100
notifications. I suggest that you use your own pop-up notification if you want to announce
an ambush and are using multiple creatures.
The actual spawn loop could be done in a for loop (and is probably the correct format), but
I like while loops, so that is what I used. You can spawn a random number of creatures here:
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
This will spawn anywhere from 10 to 20 creatures. You can also set a percentage chance trigger
here for anything to even happen:
local event_chance = math.random(10)
if event_chance == 1 then
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
end
This means that the event only has a 10% chance of happening. You can change this percentage
chance by changing the equation:
local event_chance = math.random(10)
if event_chance < 5 then
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
end
This means that the event now has a 40% chance of happening. You can further complicate
this by setting different chances to different amount of creature spawns.
local event_chance = math.random(10)
if event_chance < 5 then
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
else
local n = 0
local t = math.random (5)
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
end
Now this means that the event will happen. However, there is a 40% chance that 10 to
20 creatures will spawn and a 60% chance that 1 to 5 creatures will spawn. To complicate
this further, let's remove the event guarantee:
local event_chance = math.random(10)
if event_chance < 5 then
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
elseif event_chance == 5 or event_chance == 6
local n = 0
local t = math.random (5)
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
else
-- do nothing
end
Now there is a 40% chance that 10 to 20 creatures will spawn, a 20% chance that 1 to 5
creatures will spawn and a 40% chance that the event will not happen.
You can also add in population requirements, like so:
local k = 0
local event_chance = math.random(10)
for i,unit in pairs(df.global.world.units.active) do
if dfhack.units.isDwarf(unit) then
k = k + 1
end
end
if k > 79 then
if event_chance < 5 then
local n = 0
local t = math.random (11) + 9
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
else
local n = 0
local t = math.random (5)
while n < t do
dfhack.run_command("modtools/create-unit")
n = n + 1
end
end
end
This code counts all of the dwarves on the map and then requires at least a count of 80
for the event to happen. If there are 80 dwaves, there is a 40% chance that 10 to 20
creatures will spawn, a 60% chance that 1 to 5 creatures will spawn and a 40% chance that
the event will not happen.
Once again, you can add an else/elseif to the population minimum if statement to make
a fewer number (or a different creature(s)) spawn depending on the current population:
local k = 0
for i,unit in pairs(df.global.world.units.active) do
if dfhack.units.isDwarf(unit) then
k = k + 1
end
end
if k > 79 then
-- spawn 50 to 100 creatures
else if k > 49 then
-- spawn 20 to 50 creatures
else if k > 19 then
-- spawn 5 to 10 creatures
else
-- do nothing
end
I highly suggest using the print output while testing your script. You should put a
print output at the start of each function and for each important variable.
For example, this line of code will tell you the date of the event (in ticks), the current
tick and the difference between the two. This is a good way to find out when the event
should happen (e.g. 100 ticks from now or 10,000):
print("event tick:", date_event, "current tick:", current_tick, "ticks to event:", ticks)
This is also a good way to see what random number was chosen so that you can make
sure that the code is working as intended:
local n = math.random(5) + 3
printf(n)
I hope this helps with your own events, pre-determined random encounters and custom sieges!
Let me know if you have any questions.
Post by: Asin on November 11, 2019, 02:23:39 pm
Post by: ZM5 on November 12, 2019, 12:01:37 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245937631848824833/643856188311601152/unknown.png)
Hahahaha. Soon (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245937631848824833/643856130866413599/latest.png).
Post by: peasant cretin on November 16, 2019, 10:15:04 am
This time clear and organized instead of wild electrical wire sprawl. The raws should be intelligible. Started from the core with woodworking (bowyering/carpentry) and wearables (clothier/leatherworker), and now working outward.
For an adventure mod crafting mod, I think the easily achievable ideal/constraint is a single, clean main-menu page, with most reaction topic submenu pages at 1 (unlikely for some reactions). Topic submenus should be intuitive and self-contained requiring no travel to other topics.
(https://i.imgur.com/xxgYqzk.png)
The experiment involving intermediate stage products has reached its end. For adventure mode, you can't have crafting granularity without tedium. For example, before feather = fletching, branch = shaft, raw material = missile head, then combine to make missile. Those 4 dreadful steps I've compressed into 1. Feather + branch + (say) stone = 12 stone arrows/bolts.
We'll see how it goes.
Post by: LargeSnail on November 19, 2019, 12:30:48 pm
Scripts that I'll upload: cavernEmbark (Embark in any of the three cavern levels!), infoExtractor (Useful for me, it allows you to see tile types, tile captions, building coords, item properties, etc), discover (Learn new reactions and unlock new workshops for your fort [Only for your fort]).
Spoiler: Elven Mod (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tentacle Demon on November 19, 2019, 12:41:44 pm
Realized it'd be more sensible to strip mine my old mod instead of streamlining it.Now your mod is better.
This time clear and organized instead of wild electrical wire sprawl. The raws should be intelligible. Started from the core with woodworking (bowyering/carpentry) and wearables (clothier/leatherworker), and now working outward.
For an adventure mod crafting mod, I think the easily achievable ideal/constraint is a single, clean main-menu page, with most reaction topic submenu pages at 1 (unlikely for some reactions). Topic submenus should be intuitive and self-contained requiring no travel to other topics.
(https://i.imgur.com/xxgYqzk.png)
The experiment involving intermediate stage products has reached its end. For adventure mode, you can't have crafting granularity without tedium. For example, before feather = fletching, branch = shaft, raw material = missile head, then combine to make missile. Those 4 dreadful steps I've compressed into 1. Feather + branch + (say) stone = 12 stone arrows/bolts.
We'll see how it goes.
Post by: Dragula on November 21, 2019, 11:05:34 am
Post by: Voidfull on November 23, 2019, 03:32:36 pm
i am using the Dominions 5 Mod Inspector, i choose MA Mictlan as a starting point. Why? I like the nation. It appeals to me and i feel like i should make the hard part of learning to mod as fun and interesting as possible to help me over the humps.
I already made a conceptual Mictlan entity. But it rubs me the wrong way seeing it in game. I generated some worlds and it works all fine, But i immediately realized a conceptual disconnect by seeing a given nation appear as that given nation over several different instances of worlds. Its good training wheels though. But the beauty of DF is giving History free reign to surprise you. The disconnect is premised on the idea that worldgen creates a semblance of different nations and culture based on fantasy species and branching from there? Putting in a nation based on established culture feels like cutting corners and forcing it in. I like being surprised. Id love to get some thought on this by the way. I like the idea of worlds surprising me and this is something im interested in exploring the limits off and if possible break them. (for example id love the idea of procgen created cosmology in DF and its reverbaration on cultures)
But okay im new so i need to set my sights on something attainable in the foreseeable future. My idea right now is that im considering focusing on just making a little creature pack based on MA Mictlan. Make the generic creatures first. Get them in there. Flesh them out. Pick another Dom5 nation. Get the units in DF. Flesh them out. and so on. Until eventually i can release a big Dom5 inspired modpack.
This way it seems like every step is a reasonable goal to me and helps me get my feet wet. Id also love to get feedback and thinking in terms of "blocks" of Dom5 nations feels like a good way to release something self contained while still working on an overall larger goal.
Beyond this whole Dom5 project i was really wondering if its possible to leverage the raws in dynamic ways like HUMAN CIV branch has 80% chance of using naming systems WAR:violence (or whatever) 20% WAR:peace
to differentiate cultures and worlds a bit more.
Post by: ZM5 on November 25, 2019, 12:00:34 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/647085920905854987/Dwarf_Fortress_iidcYe3ZTl.png)
I got bored.
Post by: peasant cretin on November 25, 2019, 09:26:51 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/647082775723376650/Dwarf_Fortress_OwcELVmRo7.png)(click thumbnail to expand)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/647085920905854987/Dwarf_Fortress_iidcYe3ZTl.png)
I got bored.
(https://i.imgur.com/zw9vgq7.jpg)
Post by: MachoNacho on November 26, 2019, 04:55:32 pm
The guitar should be made of flesh.(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/647082775723376650/Dwarf_Fortress_OwcELVmRo7.png)(click thumbnail to expand)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529469746052202506/647085920905854987/Dwarf_Fortress_iidcYe3ZTl.png)
I got bored.
(https://i.imgur.com/zw9vgq7.jpg)
Post by: ZM5 on November 26, 2019, 06:03:48 pm
The guitar should be made of flesh.Funny that you should mention that (https://puu.sh/EJ2a8/5093f40b57.png), one of the spawned legendary fighters I put in this series of battles against some megabeasts did have a flesh guitar.
Post by: MachoNacho on November 26, 2019, 06:30:33 pm
Yeah I saw that, I didn't realize that this wasn't that one.The guitar should be made of flesh.Funny that you should mention that (https://puu.sh/EJ2a8/5093f40b57.png), one of the spawned legendary fighters I put in this series of battles against some megabeasts did have a flesh guitar.
Post by: MachoNacho on December 06, 2019, 05:14:04 pm
Post by: Ulfarr on December 09, 2019, 09:52:11 am
Two years and a couple hundreds of wooden/bone javelins thrown later, my four hunters are all adept/expert (level 7-8) throwers and have exactly 0 kills among them. Damn have I missed the mark.
Post by: Broms on December 09, 2019, 10:03:18 am
The idea is to be able to take things apart and get your resources back on a 1:1 ratio as much as possible.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 09, 2019, 10:16:29 am
I was thinking of making a reaction to turn one generic meat type into any meat of any creature (just taking a stack of 10 or whatever and turning into one of each of the meat/organ types), to satisfy the weird food preferences, but declared that to be too finicky. Not only because of all the reactions but that it won't help with modded creatures or if tissues have been modified.
Post by: Broms on December 09, 2019, 10:50:32 am
Post by: brolol.404 on December 13, 2019, 08:46:36 am
Here are some elves in a wasteland that they are starting to convert into a forest.
(https://i.imgur.com/frvRKxj.png)
Post by: brolol.404 on December 13, 2019, 05:12:59 pm
Here are some ideas:
Kobold
Gnoll
Mountain Gnome
Dark Gnome
Centaur
Troglodyte
Gremlin
Plump Helmet Man
Ogre
Satyr
Hobogoblin
Ent
Giant
Cyclops
Ettin
Minotaur
Illithid
Drider
Sahuagin
Naga
Any other ideas?
Post by: Enemy post on December 13, 2019, 06:16:25 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on December 13, 2019, 09:58:24 pm
How about trolls? They're always subjugated by the goblins in the vanilla game, and are rarely the subject of mods. It could be interesting to see what an independent troll society might look like.This is a cool idea. I will think about how this society would look. I could probably do ogres after trolls as they would share some of the same ideas/concepts.
Post by: Just Some Guy on December 14, 2019, 01:51:46 am
Anyway, I made this... thing.
Spoiler: I'm Sorry (click to show/hide)
I also made kobold lay 100-200 eggs each. Not sure how that effects anything yet.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 14, 2019, 06:38:24 am
Post by: ZM5 on December 14, 2019, 10:07:55 am
I got bored again. Made a shitpost megabeast based on this image (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563359458483240961/654089752735383562/99fdf600cf4049b19bb5b9777b06727e_display_large.png). It screams out senator Armstrong's lines and charges a fire jet attack before releasing it. Also bigger than a full-grown dragon.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 14, 2019, 02:26:01 pm
Thinking of making its powers either subject to the silence spell or make a counter-spell like a resist fear/psychic effects or something, if it proves too powerful.
The other beastie was a giant man-eating tree with deadly venom from its thorned limbs. I think the thorns pop off if you smack them with a mace successfully, so that could be a smart strategy, but it has thorns on all six arms plus the trunk, and theyre razor sharp, so its very threatening nonetheless.
Thinking of what to do next, and couldnt help but notice I never got around to doing ghostly/incorporeal creatures. Mostly because that's technically impossible with the game requiring some form of tissue. So I'm back to deciding yet again whether theres more merit in making them super soft and easy to dispatch with a single blow and just, like, resurrect one-another endlessly in some cases or nearly adamantine-tough and requiring adamantine or other enchanted materials to damage them. The latter could be interesting, but a pain in the ass if you dont have anything made of the required materials on-hand.
...still havent fully implemented all the enchanted basins and potions I intended to. Gotta finish that too.
But I did get most of the civ-specific content separated so the player could choose to play with only the vanilla races + wizards or a bunch of other fantasy races.
Post by: Enemy post on December 31, 2019, 08:33:17 pm
Post by: SQman on January 17, 2020, 04:15:26 am
LCM, Less Crazy Modpack, was an overambitious project in merging as many mods as possible without making the game world too chaotic. Not being able to read raws or errorlogs was a major setback, but I managed to make everything work by bruteforcing and wishful thinking.
LCM 2 was a dhort-lived project that I started when I learned the very basics of modding. While I sure did learn a lot, especialy about body plans and tissues, the project was being made for a sequel to my story, not as a celebration of mods and their creators.
LCM 3 was started when I realized I can actually fix most issues that errorlogs point out. Since there was too much errors in the old modpack, I've decided to start from scratch. So far there's no errorlog with some big mods included.
Currently I'm working on properly including ZM5's Lufia addon into the new modpack. I didn't expect there would be so many creatures in that one, but I'm getting close to the end so everything is fine. I'll start a dedicated thread soon.
I'm also considering getting back to Animal Diversification Project, because I'm really feeling it again.
Post by: Enemy post on January 17, 2020, 04:13:39 pm
Currently, I just finished that update I had delayed for too long on Jawa Fortress. I've got some ideas for Primal. Just some new animals mostly, and now that the werecreatures give me an excuse to do outdated depictions I can add the Crystal Palace-era versions of Iguanodon and Megalosaurus as lycanthrope strains. After that I'll probably just wait for the update.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 17, 2020, 05:38:22 pm
Post by: ChaosPotato on January 17, 2020, 11:44:37 pm
Maned eel: Giant, eyeless eel with a "mane" made of strange filaments (Imagine a catfish. Now imagine its whiskers on an eel with no eyes. Then duplicate the whiskers a ridiculous amount of times so they encircle the entire head. Finally, make it huge. There, now you have a maned eel). Spawns underground.
Not named yet: Rarely spawns in all wetlands. Appears as a bound woman and cries for help until approached, after which it will become hostile and change form. Not sure what the "active" form should be yet.
Wight: Undead. Occasionally spawns instead of mummies. Can transmit wight infection through biting (accomplished via giving them infectious pus/blood and using an oozing/bleeding syndrome on their teeth), as well as reanimate corpses as wights.
Maybe some clockwork creatures? I already have a clockwork megabeast (With a GUN. On its HEAD.).
Post by: Asin on January 20, 2020, 10:29:15 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on January 22, 2020, 08:05:12 am
- cow value increased to 1100.
- substance-throwing Mephits are too deadly compared to ogres and minotaurs and young ents, reduce from 40 kg to 22 kg.
- cave croc nerfed a little from 330 kg, was too deadly.
- moledogs reduced in size a little bit.
- giant stoat enlargened.
- giant moles are a little smaller now.
- giant ants bite better.
- fewer tropical buffaloes, as they massively destroy workshops now.
Currently making an underground themed mod. Trying to think up ideas for creatures and plants.Could look at old scifi movie posters :-*
Post by: Valikdu on January 30, 2020, 01:59:45 pm
Post by: Enemy post on January 30, 2020, 02:00:54 pm
Post by: pikachu17 on January 30, 2020, 03:07:58 pm
[INTERACTION:GIFT_WEAPON]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:obsidian]
[I_EFFECT:CREATE_ITEM]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[IE_ITEM:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H:INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE]
[IE_ITEM_QUALITY:ARTIFACT]
From Nahere, a vanilla way to obsidianize:
[INTERACTION:OBSIDIANIZE]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:obsidian]
[I_EFFECT:CREATE_ITEM]
[IE_TARGET:A]
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[IE_ITEM:100:3000:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:WATER:NONE]
[I_EFFECT:CREATE_ITEM]
[IE_TARGET:A]
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[IE_ITEM:100:3000:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:NONE]
Post by: Taras on January 30, 2020, 03:42:38 pm
Post by: pikachu17 on January 30, 2020, 04:29:13 pm
What tokens give demons and necromancers an ability to spread evil surroundings and make experiment creatures?NIGHT_CREATURE_EXPERIMENTER and maybe [SPREAD_EVIL_SPHERES_IF_RULER]
Post by: Taras on January 30, 2020, 04:42:38 pm
Thanks!What tokens give demons and necromancers an ability to spread evil surroundings and make experiment creatures?NIGHT_CREATURE_EXPERIMENTER
Example [CE_ADD_TAG:NOEXERT:NO_AGING:NO_EAT:NO_DRINK:NO_SLEEP:NO_PHYS_ATT_GAIN:NO_PHYS_ATT_RUST:NIGHT_CREATURE_EXPERIMENTER:START:0:ABRUPT]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 31, 2020, 07:31:36 am
Still, it was greatly satisfyingly to discover The Beer of Circumstance. An army of hobbits lead by a Capybara demon unleashed from hell by dwarves digging too deep. Ha ha.
I love that typical gobbo invasions from hell result in impalements, flaying and other nastiness. The hobbits just razed the dwarven tavern and built their own. :D
Post by: ChaosPotato on February 01, 2020, 08:32:35 am
:(
Post by: TomiTapio on February 01, 2020, 09:05:04 am
New version is a major setback in Age of Myth's development.Not that much raws changes, maybe 1.4 hours of looking at WinMerge code comparison tool (vanilla 4412 vs 4701) and putting new things into one's mod.
:(
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Untrustedlife on February 01, 2020, 04:48:57 pm
Post by: Taras on February 02, 2020, 04:22:21 pm
Yes, who can spit. Harpies can pet animals, when satyrs can't.New version is a major setback in Age of Myth's development.Not that much raws changes, maybe 1.4 hours of looking at WinMerge code comparison tool (vanilla 4412 vs 4701) and putting new things into one's mod.
:(Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ChaosPotato on February 02, 2020, 04:35:35 pm
Post by: Strik3r on February 02, 2020, 04:40:31 pm
You launch a spine!
The spinning sharp Spined Salamander Man 1's spined salamander man spine strikes Human 1 in the head, tearing apart the muscle, chipping the skull and bruising the brain!
A tendon in the skull has been torn!
Human 1 has been shot and killed.
This is just ridiculous. The Text part, that is. Tearing up people with sharp spines is intended behaviour. Coming to dark dark blendec pits and blackwing seiges near you, soon... hopefully.
Post by: ChaosPotato on February 03, 2020, 03:36:41 pm
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on February 03, 2020, 05:43:39 pm
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[CV_CONVERT_TAG]
[CVCT_TARGET:AQUATIC]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT:AMPHIBIOUS]
to my raws ... so those underwater animal-mens can get pay a visit and do something ... octupus men here we come :D
Post by: Enemy post on February 03, 2020, 08:53:33 pm
Post by: LargeSnail on February 03, 2020, 09:53:07 pm
They'll be called the Mantids, like the ones from World of Warcraft but with next to no relation.
Two castes: Worker Mantid and Warrior Mantid. The first can't learn military skills, and the last can't learn working skills. They're both male.
In order to obtain more citizens, you will need to order Drones (intelligent arachnids that can't learn skills) on embark, or buy them from your civ caravan. The drones will produce (summon) larvae, once per year and only two each time. These larvae can be turned into different monsters if you pasture them around a Pylon (an immobile creature) and wait for a year or two.
Spoiler: Pylons (click to show/hide)
Post by: 9joseph9 on February 04, 2020, 12:37:37 am
But more interestingly, I've added hobgoblins to the game. Essentially red, human-sized goblins who live in towns in the desert. They have dwarven strength and an honor/truth based value system intended to put them in contlict with the vanilla goblins.
Hopefully with two evil races that tend to fight eachother just as much as they fight everybody else, the good races will have some breathing room.
Post by: Untrustedlife on February 04, 2020, 12:38:33 am
Updated my big Monsters Of Majesty Mod
Post by: ChaosPotato on February 04, 2020, 03:06:00 pm
Zerg/Tyranid-like race mod!I actually have a hive race too, but they're called scorpids and they're much simpler, only having queens, workers, and 2 types of warriors. They also live underneath deserts.
They'll be called the Mantids, like the ones from World of Warcraft but with next to no relation.
Two castes: Worker Mantid and Warrior Mantid. The first can't learn military skills, and the last can't learn working skills. They're both male.
In order to obtain more citizens, you will need to order Drones (intelligent arachnids that can't learn skills) on embark, or buy them from your civ caravan. The drones will produce (summon) larvae, once per year and only two each time. These larvae can be turned into different monsters if you pasture them around a Pylon (an immobile creature) and wait for a year or two.Spoiler: Pylons (click to show/hide)
Post by: SQman on February 05, 2020, 06:29:30 am
Post by: Gashcozokon on February 05, 2020, 09:24:55 am
Code: (reaction_other.txt) [Select]
[REACTION:CUSTOM_CART_GLASS]
[NAME:Construct glass minecart]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:ROUGH:NONE:NONE:NONE][GLASS_MATERIAL]
[PRODUCT:100:1:ITEM_TOOL_MINECART:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
[SKILL:GLASSMAKER]
Edit: okay it Used to work for green glass. But now that 7yalso crashes, so this whole thing is broken.Edit2: Nevermind! Found and fixed the issue.
Code: [Select]
[PRODUCT:100:1:ITEM_TOOL_MINECART:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
Is now:
[PRODUCT:100:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_MINECART:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]Works as intended now. Except the description and name just say 'minecart' i don't see the material type.
Post by: Taras on February 05, 2020, 11:47:30 am
Ok, so it wasn't as much of a setback as I thought it was. Apparently the crash (which happened, by the way) was caused by something other than Age of Myth. I updated the beast of pride creature to use the new summoning system instead of dropping and reanimating eggs. It now creates WAY more swarmers than it used to, which is great because that's the whole point of this thing. Oh, and all the sin creatures now spread evil when they take over towns.Could you share the code for this summoning-breeding?
Post by: Enemy post on February 05, 2020, 07:03:17 pm
Post by: Asin on February 05, 2020, 07:33:11 pm
In wait for a few mods to be updated...
What mods are you waiting for to be updated?
Post by: LargeSnail on February 05, 2020, 10:13:36 pm
I actually have a hive race too, but they're called scorpids and they're much simpler, only having queens, workers, and 2 types of warriors. They also live underneath deserts.
Did you release that mod? I would be happy to see similar work in order to take some inspiration :D
On a side note... Should I add something like the Genestealer Cults from WH 40K?
Would be pretty hardcore if you received a Mantid Siege, survived the giant Mawlocs (I'll give them a more original name later) and the four-armed soldiers, and after that bloodbath some of your dwarves starts conspiring against your fort.
Post by: Asin on February 06, 2020, 09:05:42 am
Not sure what to call them though.
Post by: KittyTac on February 06, 2020, 09:37:08 am
Post by: Nahere on February 06, 2020, 02:42:36 pm
Considering making a race of more evil wood elves.Thorn elves?
Not sure what to call them though.
Post by: LargeSnail on February 06, 2020, 02:52:25 pm
Considering making a race of more evil wood elves.
Not sure what to call them though.
Trows?
Post by: Enemy post on February 06, 2020, 03:08:43 pm
Considering making a race of more evil wood elves.
Not sure what to call them though.
Bob?
Post by: SQman on February 06, 2020, 03:42:32 pm
What mods are you waiting for to be updated?
ZM5's mods mostly. There's just so many summoning reactions that could be updated so that they don't require corpses, and maybe some others that can be tweaked now, that I'd rather they were implemented correctly and up to date.
I know I should get on with the times and learn the new stuff, but I'd rather not use someone else's stuff for that; I may actually start a small project just for that purpose, though I'm still not entirely sure what that would be.
Post by: ChaosPotato on February 06, 2020, 04:21:47 pm
The scorpids are part of a mod called Age of Myth that I've been working on since 2019. It's not ready to be released yet though.I actually have a hive race too, but they're called scorpids and they're much simpler, only having queens, workers, and 2 types of warriors. They also live underneath deserts.
Did you release that mod? I would be happy to see similar work in order to take some inspiration :D
On a side note... Should I add something like the Genestealer Cults from WH 40K?
Would be pretty hardcore if you received a Mantid Siege, survived the giant Mawlocs (I'll give them a more original name later) and the four-armed soldiers, and after that bloodbath some of your dwarves starts conspiring against your fort.
Post by: Enemy post on February 06, 2020, 06:25:57 pm
Post by: Untrustedlife on February 06, 2020, 08:45:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/n8nRywF.png)
Code: [Select]
[INTERACTION:SUMMON_SHADOW_BEAST]
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[IE_MAKE_PET_IF_POSSIBLE]Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:DOG]
[DESCRIPTION:A medium-sized highly social mammalian carnivore. It has a keen sense of smell. It can be trained to obey commands.]
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[BODYGLOSS:PAW]
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[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_QUADRUPED_GAITS:900:447:298:149:1900:2900] 59 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
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[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:IRIS_EYE_AMBER:1:IRIS_EYE_AQUA:1:IRIS_EYE_AQUAMARINE:1:IRIS_EYE_ASH_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_AUBURN:1:IRIS_EYE_AZURE:1:IRIS_EYE_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_BRASS:1:IRIS_EYE_BRONZE:1:IRIS_EYE_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_CERULEAN:1:IRIS_EYE_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_CHOCOLATE:1:IRIS_EYE_CINNAMON:1:IRIS_EYE_COPPER:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_OLIVE:1:IRIS_EYE_DARK_TAN:1:IRIS_EYE_ECRU:1:IRIS_EYE_EMERALD:1:IRIS_EYE_FERN_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_JADE:1:IRIS_EYE_LIGHT_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_LIGHT_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_MAHOGANY:1:IRIS_EYE_MIDNIGHT_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_OCHRE:1:IRIS_EYE_OLIVE:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_BROWN:1:IRIS_EYE_PALE_CHESTNUT:1:IRIS_EYE_PERIWINKLE:1:IRIS_EYE_PINE_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_RAW_UMBER:1:IRIS_EYE_RUSSET:1:IRIS_EYE_SEA_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_SEPIA:1:IRIS_EYE_SKY_BLUE:1:IRIS_EYE_SLATE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_SPRING_GREEN:1:IRIS_EYE_TAN:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_DARK:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_MEDIUM:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_PALE:1:IRIS_EYE_TAUPE_SANDY:1:IRIS_EYE_TEAL:1:IRIS_EYE_TURQUOISE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]This means I can make whatever creatures, tag them as DOES_NOT_EXIST and summon them, and that prevents them from spawning but still allows me to summon them
Post by: Enemy post on February 06, 2020, 08:54:13 pm
Post by: Untrustedlife on February 06, 2020, 08:56:27 pm
What happens if you summon one of the creatures that is supposed to be mythical?
When i did that it crashed when i tried to summon them but didnt give an error. But i imagine if i add a body for them it will work fine. But this means you can make whatever creatures and tag them as DOES_NOT_EXIST to prevent spawning but are still able to summon them, that allows for some crazy versatility :D
Post by: Enemy post on February 06, 2020, 08:59:26 pm
Post by: Levity on February 07, 2020, 05:56:05 am
Post by: ZM5 on February 07, 2020, 07:38:27 am
Thing is, I don't know whether to start releasing updates or not cause it still seems like some of the worldgen crash issues arent resolved, still cannot actually gen a world with an increased civ amount most of the time.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 07, 2020, 03:00:04 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on February 07, 2020, 03:35:41 pm
seems like some of the worldgen crash issues arent resolved, still cannot actually gen a world with an increased civ amount most of the time.In OldGenesis-land, worldgen is about 90% reliable, when limit the history to 80-100 years.
You got any NATURAL_SKILL tags on civilized creatures? Could you post a worldgen params that crashes?
Here's one worldgen params
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZM5 on February 07, 2020, 04:11:53 pm
Now that I think about it, is MILITARY_TACTICS in the list of skills that cause worldgen/embark crashes? I recall giving it to some "leader" castes of beast civs, i.e to Xenomorph queens.
I'll try to get some worldgen params later, can't do so atm, but will post.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 07, 2020, 04:41:51 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on February 07, 2020, 06:34:06 pm
Which natural skills are known to cause crashes? And does it affect skill gain and rust changes too? I've never heard of this issue before.No idea if affects skill gains/rusts.
OldGenesis 44.12g raws always crashed 47.01 when pressing "embark" on world map.
Removing all natural_skill tags from fort mode civ, removed the crash. Here's my bug-hunting log
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Demonic Gophers did testing: (quoted from 47.01 release thread)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Gophers on February 07, 2020, 11:28:31 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 08, 2020, 01:45:40 am
What other causes of worldgen crashes have been noted?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 08, 2020, 04:31:53 am
Hmm, I'm not getting to embark trying to update my spellcrafts mod. It seems to consistently crash during worldgen within 150 years, only an "impoverished word selector" showing up in the errorlog.Worldgen crash causes are found by Toady, when you post a crashing worldgen seed in a thread he reads (47.02 announcement) or the bug tracker. (Or if he happens across one himself - but that's not as often as we'll find them).
What other causes of worldgen crashes have been noted?
If you don't tell him, it won't get done.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 08, 2020, 08:22:54 am
and the OldGenesis installation that has the "easily crashing" civilizations. If you have windows 64bit you can verify that this raws+params+seed crashes.
Maybe even crashes OSX and Linux versions with the same raws and wgen params; I can't test those.
File: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14759
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 09, 2020, 06:07:56 pm
But the most !!FUN!! effect I added was the stigmata. I had to tinker around a fair bit with the severity, because the key point is that all of the side effects are permanent, and compound with each use via SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED. So with a severity of 10 or so, the first couple uses seem to be safe. During my arena mode test, I found that the setup I gave it makes it so that three uses effectively signs the user's death warrant, at least while following them in the fort-mode arena perspective. It still takes a long while, but eventually the blood loss catches up with them, whereas at only two uses the effect seems to be minor enough that the odds of dying from it are negligible.
Of course, I assume that it'll be a lot less lethal in adventurer mode, given rest and fast travel will all likely mess with intermittent blood loss. But as a counterpoint, the timer is nice and long on the interaction anyway, enough that it should take a whole day at adventure-mode time length for the effect to become usable again.
Spoiler: The main thing the spell does (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enemy post on February 09, 2020, 08:05:48 pm
Post by: Abyssmo on February 10, 2020, 03:32:58 am
Along side that and Safi'Jiiva (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JGJCo6QniE), I think people are gonna have *FUN* with this one.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 10, 2020, 04:56:42 am
Of course, the idea behind this spell, especially since the type of critter summoned is basically 100% guaranteed to not count as a loyal pet, is an oh-shit spell where the player is likely only going to use it when summoning something big and nasty can't possibly make the situation worse. The side effects just further enforce the expectation that you're not supposed to use the spell lightly. :3
Post by: TomiTapio on February 10, 2020, 07:12:23 am
Summon small but guaranteed loyal (imp, devilkin?)
Summon medium (gargoyle? hellhound?)
Summon large with zero loyalty (demon/beast)
Post by: recon1o6 on February 10, 2020, 08:09:22 am
First I ended up with the fire breath melting themselves, that was funny but annoying
Then I got the misfortunte of my syndrome immunities not working correctly resulting in my race dissolving their bodies when they used their venom breath
then after fixing a typo, i sent my race into the arena against 5 trolls and a trogoldyte
promptly discovered that said race still had wings from when I was experimenting with flight
i finally found another quirk, they were literally too tall for most enemies to hit above the leg
size is hard to work with
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 10, 2020, 01:13:47 pm
Could branch out:
Summon small but guaranteed loyal (imp, devilkin?)
Summon medium (gargoyle? hellhound?)
Summon large with zero loyalty (demon/beast)
Very tempting, though I'd have to add multiple spells per secret, whereas so far I've kept to a trend of only one spell per secret, and wouldn't want infernal magic to be the sole outlier.
An alternative I was tinkering around with was to add raw-defined demons and tinker with it until they reliably, and have infernal magic either use them as the fallback instead of fire imps (so you get a small chance of a demon that will actually obey you), or else use them INSTEAD of calling for generated demons flat-out. That would make it much more controlled.
Post by: SQman on February 10, 2020, 05:36:50 pm
Let's have a little simulation, shall we? An american recon Alankylosaurus was ambushed by a terrorist Alangasaurus while scouting a seemingly abandoned city in Terroristan. A battle ensued.
(https://i.imgur.com/UHRS3DZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Nq39Jw7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fExK02x.png)
The Alankylosaurus was in the tight spot - it's slow, toothless, and its enemy is almost four times larger. Is its armored back enough to get out of this fight alive?
(https://i.imgur.com/FYUEdXx.png)
Alankylosaurus was victorious! It swooped down on its enemy like a glorious bald eagle! It won't come back to the base with its wounded wings, but it's still a victory for America!
Okay, I've started a new project with a working title "Dino-Hybrid Mod". It's mostly about hybrids from Jurassic World movies and games, though some dinos from JP toy lines may show up. No idea if there's a "market" for a mod like this, but I'm having fun modding again.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 11, 2020, 08:04:09 am
Hobbits I don't mind so much. I like that they're kind of hapless little fellas who burst out of hell, build a pub and spend their days gambling with the demon lord.
Dark elves I wish would show a bit more enthusiasm though. Will keep working on them.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 11, 2020, 02:29:12 pm
What's unfinished, and more relevant to Adventurecraft, is linking materials such that you can gain a spell by crafting a relevant magical essence from the critter in question. For megabeasts this'll be the heart, since crafting potions from them is already a standard convention in the mod. For bronze colossi this entails defining a new inorganic for them to use instead of bronze (I went with a material I named mountain bronze in reference to orichalcum meaning mountain copper, which only a few minor material tweaks), treants simply had the required material link added to their wood body material, while I had to retweak shoggoths to drop a gemstone-like core on death, instead of melting into a puddle of their slime (which will already be EVERYWHERE by the time the fight's over).
I'll have to make the resulting reaction very indiscriminate in what item type it looks for, because it's going to be accepting corpseparts (megabeast hearts don't butcher into meat for reaction-related reasons), logs (or potentially sticks split from it, or any random shit crafted from that), a metal statue (or anything you might make out of it if you dare to try to make after scrapping it). So I'll have to do what I did to get crafting from skulls working, make it look for REACTION_CLASS but be blind to item type, with its use of MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT to avoid material loops already built in.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 11, 2020, 06:58:12 pm
So hunting a common non-swamp, non-tropical animal may lead to you encountering a forest fire / bushfire.
[CASTE:UNLUCKY_FIRESTART_LIGHTNINGSTRIKE] "oh, we hunted <animal name>, then a bushfire started".
[POP_RATIO:4]
[MALE]
[ITEMCORPSE:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:COAL_BONFIRE]
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 11, 2020, 07:01:39 pm
Meanwhile, I'm trying to tinker with rigging spell stuff, testing a few things out.
Post by: Blastbeard on February 14, 2020, 06:19:58 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've also been having fun with [I_EFFECT:PROPEL_UNIT]. It's extremely satisfying to yeet an enemy across the room, but unless the victim is naked they'll probably survive, since even cloth seems to deflect the damage caused by skidding. It's also not as effective against larger creatures, I've been using [IE_PROPEL_FORCE:500000] and that's barely enough to budge a giant, but can launch a human halfway across the screen.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 14, 2020, 08:19:11 am
I've also been having fun with [I_EFFECT:PROPEL_UNIT]. It's extremely satisfying to yeet an enemy across the room
"Summon phantom minecart"
Post by: ZM5 on February 14, 2020, 08:27:30 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 14, 2020, 01:33:42 pm
I think I still have leftovers of an unused interaction I decided to postpone working on, though it's at a stage of completeness where it doesn't errorlog, it's not used yet and still needs its actual effects updated. Maaaybe was finally caving and implementing that "give adventurers the power to temporarily remove CAN_LEARN from victims to enable cannibalism" idea Max came up with.
Post by: Earthbound Modder on February 15, 2020, 06:10:52 pm
Also, is it possible to make a creature heat resistant through syndrome?
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 15, 2020, 06:54:19 pm
Also, is it possible to make a creature heat resistant through syndrome?
No way that I know of, sadly. Would be handy though. Literally something as basic as making FIREIMMUNE a valid tag for CE_ADD_TAG would be a massive boon to modders.
Post by: Earthbound Modder on February 15, 2020, 09:08:32 pm
Also, is it possible to make a creature heat resistant through syndrome?
No way that I know of, sadly. Would be handy though. Literally something as basic as making FIREIMMUNE a valid tag for CE_ADD_TAG would be a massive boon to modders.
Right? It'd be really useful. Regardless, thanks for the answer!
Post by: Atkana on February 16, 2020, 02:28:30 am
Well actually you'd want a way for syndromes to alter the material properties of the target. FIREIMMUNE just tells them they're safe to path through hot areas, not actually make them resistant to heat.Also, is it possible to make a creature heat resistant through syndrome?No way that I know of, sadly. Would be handy though. Literally something as basic as making FIREIMMUNE a valid tag for CE_ADD_TAG would be a massive boon to modders.
As an aside, I wonder if coating somebody completely in a fixed temperature, spec heat none, fluid coating makes it so their body doesn't get burned? 🤔 That'd be some next-level simulation right there.
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 16, 2020, 07:27:24 am
Also, a botched attempt to spawn a block of ice on a traget made me realize that a creature spawning water on its own position every tick was possible. Leviathan ensued.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 16, 2020, 12:04:19 pm
FIREIMMUNE and FIREIMMUNE_SUPER only tell the creature "hey, you should walk through fire/dragonfire, since elsewhere we have set your tissues to heat immune.", it's a pathing enable. Can a syndrome boost skin thickness?Also, is it possible to make a creature heat resistant through syndrome?No way that I know of, sadly. Would be handy though. Literally something as basic as making FIREIMMUNE a valid tag for CE_ADD_TAG would be a massive boon to modders.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 16, 2020, 12:07:16 pm
Post by: Enemy post on February 16, 2020, 08:04:55 pm
*Looks like there weren't many changes on the modding side of things.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 16, 2020, 08:22:19 pm
Gonna see if my entities stop crashing now too, but I doubt it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 16, 2020, 08:30:20 pm
And this morning, realized I forgot an important syndrome token in most of the magic essences, so that meant only protection from gargoyles (who were my initial testbed for implementing craftable magic stuff) worked. :/
Post by: TomiTapio on February 17, 2020, 10:07:26 am
Supposedly the issue with natural skills causing crashes is fixed, so that's good.Yes, pressing-embark-crashes-if-NATURALSKILLS is fixed. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=11329
Gonna see if my entities stop crashing now too, but I doubt it.
World gen will still crash sometimes. Managed to make a 900 years small region. Medium region crashed around year 110.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 18, 2020, 07:09:18 am
There's still this annoying bug where you cant regenerate limbs lost to combat with historical figures. I have an adventure mode game right now where I have the interaction to regrow lost body parts, and it works correctly, but after fast travelling any lost body parts, in this case teeth, once again go missing. Healing interactions also weren't healing my broken fingers/ears or curing the infections in those parts even though they possessed the proper syndrome tags.
Post by: ZM5 on February 18, 2020, 10:44:44 am
Post by: Eric Blank on February 18, 2020, 11:38:53 am
Does removing civs from your mods remove the most frequent crashes?
I've added all the usual Spellcrafts reactions to the dwarf and human entities in entity_default.txt and that doesnt cause crashes, its only adding new entities that seems to do it.
I'm going to duplicate and re-name the dwarf entity and see what happens
Post by: ZM5 on February 18, 2020, 12:12:58 pm
Post by: Enemy post on February 18, 2020, 02:14:01 pm
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 20, 2020, 07:11:02 am
I made a secret that causes a compounding temporary force multiplier on the victim each time you break a bone with a punch or a kick. Basically each time you break an enemy's bone, as long as you attack quickly enough subsequent attacks do increasingly more damage until you're exploding limbs with every blow.
Post by: pikachu17 on February 20, 2020, 04:30:35 pm
Now that specialattack_interactions can be granted by secrets, Kisat Dur can become a lot more fun. Special attacks only take effect if the attack breaks a tissue, so if you add interactions to punches and kicks, they will only take effect if you manage to break a bone with an unarmed attack.I thought that special attacks like that work when you break the skin, not when you break a bone? Nothing about CE_SPECIAL_ATTACK_INTERACTION makes me think that you choose what layer it works on.
I made a secret that causes a compounding temporary force multiplier on the victim each time you break a bone with a punch or a kick. Basically each time you break an enemy's bone, as long as you attack quickly enough subsequent attacks do increasingly more damage until you're exploding limbs with every blow.
Post by: ZM5 on February 20, 2020, 05:19:28 pm
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 20, 2020, 06:35:44 pm
Post by: Asin on February 23, 2020, 11:48:15 am
Some ideas I had were some sorts of characters/races being represented by animal people.
For example, you could play as one of King Dedede's species (not sure if I would call the race "Dedede clan" or "dream penguins"), or perhaps a Waddle Dee.
Another idea was the idea of plants from such games being added in, like Maxim Tomatoes and the like.
...I dunno why I feel like using Kirby stuff as an example. Maybe subconsciously, I want more Kirby rep in these video game mods.
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 24, 2020, 03:00:03 pm
Hey, I wonder if you can make him suck now. What happens if you give a negative value to PROPEL? (Probably nothing, but worth a shot...)
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 25, 2020, 05:20:17 am
Post by: TomiTapio on February 25, 2020, 08:31:00 am
I managed to make an entity that is its own worst enemy. As in, each subgroup within the entity winds up going to war with every other subgroup.Please share, sounds interesting.
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 25, 2020, 09:52:39 am
I'm not 100% sure how it works, but some notable qualities (it's an insectoid civ):I managed to make an entity that is its own worst enemy. As in, each subgroup within the entity winds up going to war with every other subgroup.Please share, sounds interesting.
Males outnumber females 100 to 1, clutch size is 50:100 to make up for this.
Females have [PERSONALITY:AMBITION:0:90:100]. Males have [PERSONALITY:AMBITION:0:10:100]. All are fairly violent.
The only positions are hive queen, militia commander and militia captain. All are only available to females and are SITE positions. There is no central leadership position.
Very high civ values on POWER and FAMILY.
Most ethics, including TREASON and KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER, are ACCEPTABLE or NOT_APPLICABLE. TRESSPASSING, however, is PUNISH_CAPITAL.
Most of the conflicts are related to territorial disputes, livestock ownership or water rights.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 25, 2020, 04:23:34 pm
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 25, 2020, 04:54:42 pm
Would you be willing to post the actual raws you used for the entity positions?
Yes, here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TomiTapio on February 25, 2020, 07:10:34 pm
Just remembered that everyone doesn't have real-world animal speeds available in DF speed units.
Here's the speeds I've collected: most are brief burst speeds, some are "sustained" speeds.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GreyGoldFish on February 26, 2020, 04:01:42 am
If the dwarves of DF are anything like their players, then they should have access to so many more ways of automating and making their lives easier besides magma and minecarts!
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on February 26, 2020, 05:24:00 am
I'm in the brainstorming/design phase of my mod, but since I don't have any experience with modding DF, I'm not quite sure about the feasibility of my ambitions. Basically, I want to add Dwarven tech to DF, such as primitive electricity with copper wires instead of axles (electrocute your dwarves for lots of !FUN!), realistic electricity generation with steam engines, pistons that can move walls, blunderbusses, music boxes, clocks, and other complex mechanical crafts, etc.Regrettably, none of that is remotely feasible without DFHack, and even then it would require a good deal of work. You can't add new mechanics to the game merely by editing the raws.
If the dwarves of DF are anything like their players, then they should have access to so many more ways of automating and making their lives easier besides magma and minecarts!
Post by: TomiTapio on February 26, 2020, 07:48:54 am
primitive electricity with copper wires instead of axles,Can't. Can make battery items in a workshop though.
-realistic electricity generation with steam engines
could use coal item plus water bucket to output charged battery item.
instead of electrocute, a battery using workshop can cause a gas leak of syndrome.
-pistons that can move walls
absolutely impossible. Can move water with automated floodgates.
(also impossible: invader dismantles wall.) Can make an immobile GOLEM creature that has push-a-creature interaction.
We have retracting and raising drawbridges.
-blunderbusses
just a renamed crossbow with more damage
-music boxes
new musical instrument, doable, a hurdygurdy
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GreyGoldFish on February 26, 2020, 03:17:20 pm
primitive electricity with copper wires instead of axles,Can't. Can make battery items in a workshop though.
-realistic electricity generation with steam engines
could use coal item plus water bucket to output charged battery item.
instead of electrocute, a battery using workshop can cause a gas leak of syndrome.
-pistons that can move walls
absolutely impossible. Can move water with automated floodgates.
(also impossible: invader dismantles wall.) Can make an immobile GOLEM creature that has push-a-creature interaction.
We have retracting and raising drawbridges.
-blunderbusses
just a renamed crossbow with more damage
-music boxes
new musical instrument, doable, a hurdygurdySpoiler (click to show/hide)
You've given me some really useful tips, though! Thank you :)
Post by: peasant cretin on February 28, 2020, 11:05:53 pm
Noticed outsider equipment in Adv Mode character creation pulls from the exe as they have no civ RAWs determining what they get. Sadly that means the unavoidability of copper bows :P
Outsiders also get some <vault adjective> copper armor types. I guess that's no different from when you delete enough RAW entries so that item population fills cabinets with <vault adjective> leather clothing or depots with <vault adjective> copper armor types.
Post by: MaxTheFox on February 29, 2020, 12:45:54 am
Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:REOKYL]
[OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE]
[DESCRIPTION:A draconian-like creature with large, pseudo-metallic, plate armor-like scales. It lives underground in small groups.]
[NAME:reokyl:reokyls:reokyl]
[CASTE_NAME:reokyl:reokyls:reokyl]
[CREATURE_TILE:'r'][COLOR:7:0:0]
[LOW_LIGHT_VISION:100000]
[CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]
[LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES]
[SPOUSE_CONVERSION_TARGET]
[BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
[UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]
[DIFFICULTY:2]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:20]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:5]
[FREQUENCY:20]
[EQUIPS]
[LISP]
[BODYGLOSS:PAW]
[FANCIFUL]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[LARGE_PREDATOR]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[BABY:1]
[CHILD:12]
[CARNIVORE]
[BONECARN]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ARMOR:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:armor]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:armor]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:molten armor]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten armor]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:gaseous armor]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:gaseous armor]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:GRAY]
[IMPACT_YIELD:602000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:843500]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:547]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:602000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:843500]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:547] no data, used 110
[TENSILE_YIELD:172000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:241000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156] 110
[TORSION_YIELD:172000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:241000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156]
[SHEAR_YIELD:172000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:241000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156] no data, used 110
[BENDING_YIELD:172000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:241000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:156]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:ARMOR]
[TISSUE_NAME:armor:armor]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ARMOR]
[SETTABLE]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:SCALES]
[PREFSTRING:armor-like scales]
[PERSONALITY:BRAVERY:75:80:100]
[PERSONALITY:EXCITEMENT_SEEKING:75:80:100]
[PERSONALITY:VIOLENT:75:80:100]
[PERSONALITY:CRUELTY:75:80:100]
[BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:TAIL:2EYES:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:4TOES:MOUTH_SNOUT:TONGUE:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_LARGE_EYE_TEETH_MOUTH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:PARCHMENT]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
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Post by: TomiTapio on February 29, 2020, 07:33:02 am
makes them not join a civ.
Make a parallel, above-ground version of them, see if they join civs.
This altered yeti creature is almost guaranteed to join civs, I have seen so many yeti poets come to visit.
Heck! Do my yetis have any natural skills?
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Post by: MaxTheFox on February 29, 2020, 09:10:11 am
Might be that undergroundness or egg-laying or difficulty tagGorlaks and plump helmet men join civs despite being underground... And they don't join civs even without the difficulty tag, and I have an aboveground creature that lays eggs and can join civs so it can't be the egg-laying.
makes them not join a civ.
Make a parallel, above-ground version of them, see if they join civs.
This altered yeti creature is almost guaranteed to join civs, I have seen so many yeti poets come to visit.
Heck! Do my yetis have any natural skills?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Might as well talk about the creature and the mod itself. The creature was made up during a brainstorming session on Discord and as an experiment to see if "natural" armor would work. The mod will add at least two more species to each site type as well as adding some !!FUN!! creatures. I might make the reokyls a second mountain species instead of a wilderness creature.
Post by: IndigoFenix on February 29, 2020, 07:32:23 pm
However, I tried testing a world (in my typical blended test fashion) that had exclusively the Mortal Kombat races and the Citadel of Ricks. The result? So much war and killing that the world managed to gen for 300 years before even starting to slow down.
Not quite as conceptually amusing as dropping Outworld on the Mushroom Kingdom, but the positive effect of copious violence on worldgen speed is something that never really occurred to me.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 08, 2020, 08:00:46 am
Testing in the arena, one dark hippo scatters a bunch of hippo men all over the place before finishing them off, knocks over a few giant hippos for a relatively fair fight and when confronted with a giant elephant will roar at them in vain (before plowing in with evil hippo-venom bites). Seems like a good balance.
Also set a dark hippo against a large bunch of beetle men. Unpause for an explosion of beetle bits. Ha ha ha.
Note to self: run away if encountered while playing an insect person.
And today's discovery is that propel will knock you flying off a heavy mount. Sad but not unexpected.
Post by: IndigoFenix on March 08, 2020, 09:11:58 am
Post by: ZM5 on March 08, 2020, 09:39:40 am
While experimenting with potential spells for a hydromancy secret, I came up with a fun combo of being able to spawn water, and being able to propel enemies but only if they were IN water. Combine them together and turn them up to 11, and you get a passable Endbringer Leviathan (from Worm). Might make the other Endbringers too, they could be a fun set of megabeasts for fort mode...Ngl those would be pretty awesome to fight and deal with, even if I don't think some of them would be replicable (particularly the one that copies powers and the one that is a massive landscaper, I forget their names).
I'm slowly progressing through the hero update for the Warcraft mod; taking longer than I thought it would (but then again I've been coming across the issue of "oh hey, I remembered X race has a potential caster/hero type as an alternate caste based on specific NPCs/concept art" so the list keeps getting longer) - still, should be fun once there's a more stable DF update out and a lot of these casters/heroes become histfigures.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 09, 2020, 12:59:45 pm
While experimenting with potential spells for a hydromancy secret, I came up with a fun combo of being able to spawn water, and being able to propel enemies but only if they were IN water. Combine them together and turn them up to 11, and you get a passable Endbringer Leviathan (from Worm). Might make the other Endbringers too, they could be a fun set of megabeasts for fort mode...
May I steal this? I wanted to do something for my water elemental secret in Spellcrafts and this sounds really cool. Will of course credit you for the idea.
I'm slogging through all my secrets and interactions that involved summoning right now anyways, so now's the time to change things like this.
Post by: SQman on March 10, 2020, 07:43:44 am
Nothing new on the modpack front; still slowly and steadily incorporating Warcraft creatures from ZM5's mod. Hundreds of creatures need their leather, scales and chitin recolored, creature classes relating to type and resistances added, and references to civilized races removed from descriptions. I'm at the end of the biggest file, which fills me with determination.
My upcoming dinosaur hybrid mod is also shaping up nicely. I've been touching up some already finished stuff: Allosaurus/Bananogmius hybrid has extremely low endurance due to its underdeveloped lungs that are a result of its piscine genes; Carnoraptor, combining raptor and abelisaur traits, is extremely fast; herbivore hybrids can pull wagons and carry stuff.
I've also had a look at Animal Diversification Project that I hadn't touched in a long time. I'm thinking about rebranding it, because it does a lot more than just diversifying animals.
I'll try to do a little yet meaningful change - instead of editing creature variations I'll make a new file. The goal is to have the mod edit only creature files to increase compatibility with other mods. Not sure what other files I had edited, but the errorlog will tell me that.
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What the hell happened there? That's what I get for typing on my phone with barely any signal
Post by: Enemy post on March 10, 2020, 12:57:06 pm
As for me, I haven't really felt like modding lately, but I'll probably get back to it eventually. WillowLuman gave me permission to take over maintaining her daleks, so I'll probably do that.
Post by: Sver on March 13, 2020, 02:08:16 pm
Also, lately I've been brainstorming about the underused industries in the game, as well as how arms and armor production in DF doesn't really convey the amount of labor it took to make these things - moreover, to keep them in good condition throughout the years; even with increased metal requirements it kinda doesn't. And it just hit me... oil, wax, sand - all of them were used for medieval equipment maintenance, and all of them are things DF has, but barely utilizes. So, new iron and steel variations will require some combinations of these materials, as well as a lot more coal than vanilla, to bring back that feel of fuel shortages DF used to have before multi-tile trees. New bronze, on the other hand, will not need that, but instead require an asinine amount of mold parts (rock/clay, nothing too demanding) - and the problem of tin being quite rare is still there too.
Of course, to counterbalance that, there needs to be some way of increasing the homegrown metal yields, e.g. from smelting ores; maybe by duplicating [METAL_ORE:metal:100] tag? New smelting reactions if that doesn't work. Otherwise there's no good reason for the player to make their own stuff, because caravans and goblinite will be better by a landslide... Or I could just be an asshole and reduce the yields from goblinite :P
We'll see.
Post by: TomiTapio on March 13, 2020, 05:22:28 pm
"White bronze is not actually bronze. It is an alloy consisting of a combination of copper, tin and zinc.
Tri-metal alloys are white in color, similar to bright nickel, silver or rhodium and are extremely resistant to tarnish and corrosion.
The alloy range is centered around 55% copper, 30% tin and 15% zinc."
Post by: Sver on March 13, 2020, 05:31:48 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 15, 2020, 02:27:38 am
Post by: IndigoFenix on March 15, 2020, 05:00:58 pm
Any ideas what controls the writing of books which pass on secrets? I've seen only one or two in total based on all my secrets across multiple worlds. In legends mode. There's usually more than a couple necromancy books in unmodded worlds, and my secrets use the same raws and formats, but they just don't show up on a regular basis.
As far as I'm aware, writing books is entirely random. The reason why necromancy books are more common is because necromancy secrets are more common, and that's just because each world generates a whole bunch of them.
Post by: Morning_Oak on March 15, 2020, 07:17:46 pm
Post by: Sver on March 19, 2020, 05:03:19 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bPY7ZBe.png)
Post by: peasant cretin on March 20, 2020, 09:39:33 am
Sometimes I just hate manual testingSadly, it's often the only way to filter for noise v signal though.
(https://i.imgur.com/bPY7ZBe.png)
Take for example damage tests. Avoid battle royale setups to filter for attacks from side/behind, or standing v grounded as these muddy the results. Not trying to disrespect the old large group tests people have run, but I've not seen this aspect mentioned.
The best manual group method to filter these (esp getting rid of charge attack) that I could come up with was say five side 1 vanilla land-dwarves vs five side 2 modded aquatic-dwarves who were restricted to their water tile by trees. The pairings need to be spaced out enough so you dont get vision cone overlap, as if possible, you wanna not have land units dog-piling the aquatics. You use a 6th land-dwarf to observe going turn by turn.
It guarantees aquatic-dwarf front facing, every unit having 1.000 speed and the lowest amount of weirdness with the lowest level of modding req'd.
Or something along these lines.
Post by: Sver on March 20, 2020, 12:44:25 pm
Then again, some interesting tidbits of the combat mechanics come up in these informal tests sometimes. It's actually the first time I see the AI manage to wrestle-catch my attack; and it's pretty interesting how the AI uses charge at every odd opportunity - something that isn't as obvious in group tests, with all the noise of piling up action.
[AQUATIC] as hard movement/charge restriction is a very neat trick though, so big thanks for that :)
Post by: Sver on April 02, 2020, 02:18:15 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on April 04, 2020, 05:28:16 pm
I gotta say, it does feel a little awkward erasing several months worth of work to assemble a more vanilla, lightweight version of the mod. You know, like you're accidentally erasing something you shouldn't have - that kind of feel.
The adjustment period here was a bit easier. For me a core idea has always been that an Adventure Mode mod should (ideally) be no longer than an easily navigated 1 page main menu, and each topic should try to limit sprawl.
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In terms of what's going on, I've been working on making my mod as compatible to other non-crafting mods by tinkering with as few vanilla RAWs as possible, and mainly introducing additional txt files.
One idea I've had recently is renaming the vanilla halberd entry as bill/billhook or more generically, pruning hook. NPC inventory can be populated with any SKILL:AXE item drawn from the entity file. For players who like halberds as halberds, I'll add another file entry for crafting. IMO the immersion breaker has always been around the SKILL:AXE weirdness.
Post by: ZM5 on April 05, 2020, 01:07:17 pm
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Post by: CohentheBarbarian on April 07, 2020, 12:46:20 am
Kobolds can now wear leather cloaks, boots and hoods and also like every single settlement type.
Only goblins are required to kill nuteral.
Cave spiders inject alcohol to incapacitate enemies.
Featherwood now has properties similar to adamantine and dwarfs can use 5 stone blocks to make a log of dwarf wood.
And trogladites are now part of the cave civ.
I love this game
Post by: SQman on April 07, 2020, 03:20:54 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Pcu1Bmo.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/w9Jv29e.png)
Not sure if I'll take this anywhere.
Post by: ZM5 on April 08, 2020, 04:22:24 am
(https://puu.sh/FujWN/b551e809d4.png)
Did some other stuff after getting done with the Doom creatures. FH factions cause why not.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 08, 2020, 12:56:20 pm
I've been planning on making a bunch of weapons that would only appear as artifacts, mostly references:Yeah it's a bit of spice, having super rare weapons. Even in fort mode could have reaction "ten yellow diamonds needed for super artifact".
Not sure if I'll take this anywhere.
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Post by: Just Some Guy on April 08, 2020, 01:23:05 pm
Post by: ZM5 on April 08, 2020, 01:32:41 pm
Is it possible to have benevolent megabeasts?Not yet, the megabeast tokens have a hardcoded behavior of "kill anything that isnt a megabeast". If you talk to the ones that can speak in adventure mode and ask them how they feel about you they claim that you're the dangerous beast.
Post by: Quantum Drop on April 08, 2020, 02:38:31 pm
Is it possible to have benevolent megabeasts?Not yet, the megabeast tokens have a hardcoded behavior of "kill anything that isnt a megabeast". If you talk to the ones that can speak in adventure mode and ask them how they feel about you they claim that you're the dangerous beast.
"No, Urist. You are the Megabeasts."
And then Urist was a Clown.
In order to keep on topic, I've managed to make a Iron Colossus in the shape of a six-tentacled spider with a stinger tail. Is it possible for it to inject liquid basalt into a target via the tail?
Post by: Enemy post on April 08, 2020, 03:22:02 pm
Post by: Morning_Oak on April 09, 2020, 08:44:34 pm
I've been planning on making a bunch of weapons that would only appear as artifacts, mostly references:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pcu1Bmo.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/w9Jv29e.png)
Not sure if I'll take this anywhere.
Can you explain how this is done? I would like to implement this as well using my own custom weapons.
Post by: SQman on April 10, 2020, 02:11:44 am
Also, worldgen artifacts can be made out of metals that nobody can make. Do whatever you want with this information.
Post by: Morning_Oak on April 10, 2020, 02:26:40 am
I'm not 100% sure if it works like that, but simply not giving the weapon to any entity should do the trick. A moody weaponsmith with no favorite weapon will make a random one. Should work in worldgen too.
Also, worldgen artifacts can be made out of metals that nobody can make. Do whatever you want with this information.
Ah, that seems more in line what I had thought to be the case originally. I have modded in Gemstone hammers but I don't allow any entity to use them by default, because they would end up making a "steel gemstone hammer" which defeats the whole purpose. I only allow the dwarves have a reaction to make them in certain workshops so they can made in fort mode after world-gen ends.
It would be awesome to allow for a specific "recipe" using reactions or something similar that required them to use only a specific type or types of items. I've never seen my gemstone hammers be used in a strange mood after about a month of playing with them in-game, but I always assumed that is because I didn't add them to the MOUNTAIN entity's file.
Post by: pikachu17 on April 10, 2020, 07:53:05 pm
Post by: NordicNooob on April 12, 2020, 11:52:07 pm
List of changes:
- I've made dwarves more vulnerable to stress in general, through a combo of several traits
- Dwarves now learn slower, especially skills like mining and combat skills
- Metal is now quite rare, and ores are expensive, making them more difficult to buy and more difficult to bring at embark
- Goblins are far stronger. They have trapavoid, martial trances, feel no pain, and have exclusive access to titanium, a steel-level metal.
They also have an ability to increase the stress of dwarves over long periods of time, making walling out sieges quite dangerous for larger forces. - Weaponry of goblins and dwarves have been changed up to make them more goblin-y and dwarf-y respectively. Dwarves have two new weapons, the bluntsword (imagine one of those big anime swords, but with the top two thirds lopped off), and the axehammer (exactly what it sounds like).
- Beasts are far more terrifying. Semimegabeasts have been removed, and megabeasts have been demoted. The new megabeasts are all terrifyin constructs of metal, which I'm working on now. Currently they're a bronze dragon stolen from MW, a fuck-you version of the bronze colossus (literally just that, but steel), and a golden roc, which has been giving me trouble since the darn thing actually has jibbly bits. Might also make some kind of metal GCS that spews something absurd. Oh yeah, also I gave everything trapavoid, no more catching megabeasts in cages.
- Cavern creatures are changed as well, though only mildly. I made GCS and cave dragons much more common, and made the latter trapavoid.
- Farming is also heavily nerfed; crop grow times are greatly increased and crop max yields are decreased.
Other than the metal beasts, the one thing I've yet to fully hammer out is the goblin stress-inducing interaction, which I don't think works through walls in spite of goblins having extravision. I suspect it's something to do with my USAGE_HINT, but if I remove the usage hint then I might get stuck with a goblin performance troupe stressing all my dwarves out. Then again, that would be pretty funny, and shouldn't be a huge issue; I only intend for the stress to be harsh with large numbers of goblins camping outside my gates for a few seasons.
Post by: ZM5 on April 13, 2020, 02:47:53 am
although there is a chance it's dependent on some civ having the weapon, since Angel's are an entity after all.I think this might actually be the case, I added in some weapons that no entity has access to (either being crafting-only or lucky dice roll-only) and many worldgens in I've not seen any of them be made as artifacts.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 13, 2020, 04:23:09 am
They also have an ability to increase the stress of dwarves over long periods of time, making walling out sieges quite dangerous for larger forces.[/li][/list]Fascinating. Could I borrow the stressifying feature for OldGenesis beastmen and mind flayers? I almost-never build a wall or bridge to keep the enemies away, since "enemy army destroys wall" feature hasn't been programmed yet.
Should elves have war-trained giant birds with a spit(drop burning torch) attack interaction?
The elf war eagle drops a rude engraving! Your dwarf gets an anxiety syndrome!
Turbo ents? (30 tons)
Estoc, the blunt anti-armor twohander. https://historycollection.co/16-terrifying-bladed-weapons-in-history/2/
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 14, 2020, 04:09:13 am
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A couple of years in, no-one's stressed, people are actually making new friends and all the starting seven are sleeping with the manager.
So that seems to have worked nicely.
Post by: nezclaw on April 17, 2020, 06:27:35 pm
Post by: Lurksquatch on April 17, 2020, 09:30:29 pm
In order to keep on topic, I've managed to make a Iron Colossus in the shape of a six-tentacled spider with a stinger tail. Is it possible for it to inject liquid basalt into a target via the tail?
1. That's awesome.
2. It should be.
Spoiler: Put this above it's attacks... (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Give it this attack... (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Add this below everything else... (click to show/hide)
That SHOULD do the trick, but I literally just whipped it up in like...five minutes, so I don't actually know if it'll work. Let me know if it does happen to work. I kinda like that idea lol.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 18, 2020, 08:23:39 pm
I, someone who has never modded anything before in my life, am currently staring at RAWs and contemplating replacing dwarves with dragons, Flight Rising style.Good way to start. Do something outrageous, then spend the next couple of years of modding time trying to balance everything else to work with it.
Your tavern brawls are going to be.....brief.
Post by: NordicNooob on April 19, 2020, 10:59:19 am
Oh shoot, didn't see that till now. And sure, I'd be glad to contribute; OldGenesis was actually the first mod I ever played! Here's (https://pastebin.com/y7gccXri) a pastebin link. It's honestly a bit wonky with how it works; it's currently a greeting that targets only dwarves, since the other USAGE_HINT tokens don't seem to work through walls like they should. Shouldn't be an issue with mind flayers and beastmen. Using it on things that might actually show up or end up as peaceful could be problematic, though. Be warned that I also have yet to balance it, though I imagine you'll be making a fair amount of changes to the exact numbers and the likes anyways.They also have an ability to increase the stress of dwarves over long periods of time, making walling out sieges quite dangerous for larger forces.[/li][/list]Fascinating. Could I borrow the stressifying feature for OldGenesis beastmen and mind flayers? I almost-never build a wall or bridge to keep the enemies away, since "enemy army destroys wall" feature hasn't been programmed yet.
Post by: TomiTapio on April 20, 2020, 07:00:25 am
Adjusted the interaction a little:
"If no hint is specified, the interaction will be used whenever a valid target is available. Verify"
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Post by: Toxicshadow on April 20, 2020, 11:59:07 am
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Post by: nezclaw on April 21, 2020, 01:55:57 am
Particularly given the size discrepancies between some of the breeds :o it is entirely possible for the largest dragons to accidentally ingest the smaller dragonsI, someone who has never modded anything before in my life, am currently staring at RAWs and contemplating replacing dwarves with dragons, Flight Rising style.Good way to start. Do something outrageous, then spend the next couple of years of modding time trying to balance everything else to work with it.
Your tavern brawls are going to be.....brief.
Post by: Quantum Drop on April 21, 2020, 04:15:06 am
In order to keep on topic, I've managed to make a Iron Colossus in the shape of a six-tentacled spider with a stinger tail. Is it possible for it to inject liquid basalt into a target via the tail?
1. That's awesome.
2. It should be.Spoiler: Put this above it's attacks... (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Give it this attack... (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Add this below everything else... (click to show/hide)
That SHOULD do the trick, but I literally just whipped it up in like...five minutes, so I don't actually know if it'll work. Let me know if it does happen to work. I kinda like that idea lol.
Yeah, that's worked. Using its current raws, it took down something like twenty to thirty fully equipped dwarves (all skills at 'accomplished', all armour and weapons were iron) without dying. Steel axes and such take it down easy, though - died in a few seconds to ten dwarves with the same loadout after they got upgraded to steel.
Thanks for the help.
Post by: Lurksquatch on April 22, 2020, 02:41:33 pm
Yeah, that's worked. Using its current raws, it took down something like twenty to thirty fully equipped dwarves (all skills at 'accomplished', all armour and weapons were iron) without dying. Steel axes and such take it down easy, though - died in a few seconds to ten dwarves with the same loadout after they got upgraded to steel.
Thanks for the help.
I'm glad I could help! You should be able to use that as a template to help make other odd/horrific creatures.
Post by: nezclaw on April 22, 2020, 07:03:58 pm
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Post by: Shonai_Dweller on April 22, 2020, 07:26:57 pm
i have assembled a document with the relevant body parts for dragons and added some more details since they are gonna be playable. namely wing joints.Wings? Oh. I suspect you're going to run into hideous pathing issues if you make a flying playable civ. Will be fun in Adventurer though.i would like to reiterate i have no gd idea what i'm doing, and even less idea of how i'm gonna shuffle these parts to make the different breeds.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: nezclaw on April 22, 2020, 11:57:34 pm
I Shall Keep That In Mind.i have assembled a document with the relevant body parts for dragons and added some more details since they are gonna be playable. namely wing joints.Wings? Oh. I suspect you're going to run into hideous pathing issues if you make a flying playable civ. Will be fun in Adventurer though.i would like to reiterate i have no gd idea what i'm doing, and even less idea of how i'm gonna shuffle these parts to make the different breeds.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
the best/worst part is that there's gonna be multiple breeds of many different sizes. probably only the smaller breeds will be predominantly fliers, and there's a few that are fully terrestrial.
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 23, 2020, 12:14:34 pm
i have assembled a document with the relevant body parts for dragons and added some more details since they are gonna be playable. namely wing joints.May I ask what you mean by, "shuffle these parts"? Like are you going for random dragon breeds? A python script that takes a template and replaces certain pieces with other pieces based on a list of possible choices would be your best bet there. Example: say you have three different types of wings defined, you could use the script to replace the wing defined in the body token of the template with one of your three different types of wings. You could generate random numbers for all sorts of things, relsizes and/or body size, gaits, egg/litter amounts, lifespan... This would get messy and you'd have creatures that are... funky, to say the least. I'd like to clarify: I wouldn't recommend doing this. It's possible, but it'll take a lot of manual editing to make the randomly generated creatures actually make sense.
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i would like to reiterate i have no gd idea what i'm doing, and even less idea of how i'm gonna shuffle these parts to make the different breeds.
But for just adding variance to different breeds, relsizes are your friend, as are the curious beast tokens, biomes, gaits, lairs if they're megabeasts, and even personality tokens if you'd like. In my own modding I'll soon be working on giving my various species their own personalities - something I neglected at the start of the mod. Just read through the creature tokens (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token) and you'll get some ideas for ways you could make different breeds unique.
One more thing: I'd recommend you get used to body detail plans, as you'll need those for relative positioning and tissue/material layers. Just read through the default body detail plans, take a look at the wiki page (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Body_detail_plan_token) and learn by example. The default file may be confusing at first because it uses a lot of arguments, but just take a look at how vertebrate tissue layers is used:
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Post by: nezclaw on April 23, 2020, 05:46:50 pm
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 23, 2020, 09:01:38 pm
I was being facetious about the 'shuffling' part, I don't plan to randgen them, at least not beyond some small adjustments. I have been looking through the assorted files concerning body parts and body details, but you're absolutely right about it being confusing. I was mainly collecting the pieces that would be relevant. Also, uh, these are theoretically gonna be playable and able to cross breed with each other. I will need to do some more research about the sizes of the different breeds, but fortunately flight rising has a big tumblr community and i know that someone somewhere has done the math.Well, all I have to say is have fun with castes. I don't mean to discourage you or anything but just remember castes are chosen at random (aside from their rarity value), and many tokens are creature-level not caste-level. Just something to keep in mind when you check the creature tokens wiki page make sure you check whether the token is creature or caste level so you know whether it can be edited later or not. Anyways, modding things in that have already been designed (like from a different game) is a lot of fun! Feels good to really analyze and think about something you've been a fan of, kinda makes you appreciate it a little more in my experience :) again best of luck to ya!
Post by: nezclaw on April 24, 2020, 04:29:48 am
checking the wiki, the caste system is exactly what i need.I was being facetious about the 'shuffling' part, I don't plan to randgen them, at least not beyond some small adjustments. I have been looking through the assorted files concerning body parts and body details, but you're absolutely right about it being confusing. I was mainly collecting the pieces that would be relevant. Also, uh, these are theoretically gonna be playable and able to cross breed with each other. I will need to do some more research about the sizes of the different breeds, but fortunately flight rising has a big tumblr community and i know that someone somewhere has done the math.Well, all I have to say is have fun with castes. I don't mean to discourage you or anything but just remember castes are chosen at random (aside from their rarity value), and many tokens are creature-level not caste-level. Just something to keep in mind when you check the creature tokens wiki page make sure you check whether the token is creature or caste level so you know whether it can be edited later or not. Anyways, modding things in that have already been designed (like from a different game) is a lot of fun! Feels good to really analyze and think about something you've been a fan of, kinda makes you appreciate it a little more in my experience :) again best of luck to ya!
swaps humans, elves, and dwarves with centaurs, griffons, and chimeras
Post by: SQman on April 28, 2020, 01:11:50 am
The first entry is the akikage, a ghost of a ninja that can instakill its enemies by freezing their hearts. The plan was simple: if its punch somehow penetrates skin, it has a small chance to stop the target's heart. Neither paralysis, impairing function, nor necrosis worked, leading to a conclusion that heart is a non-essential organ.
Then I've decided to change things around a little, abandoning the heart-freezing part. Now the akikage's punch can make enemies bleed profusely from every part of their bodies, killing them almost instantly.
EDIT:
I've had a long think about it, and decided I'd remove the interaction from punches, and add a piercing open-hand jab attack instead. It's much less clunky, and much more believable.
Post by: pikachu17 on April 28, 2020, 08:26:56 pm
I've unearthed ancient evil, and by ancient evil I mean Monstrous Compendium Ravenloft Appendix. It will be a good way to learn more about interactions.Stopping lungs do work instead.
The first entry is the akikage, a ghost of a ninja that can instakill its enemies by freezing their hearts. The plan was simple: if its punch somehow penetrates skin, it has a small chance to stop the target's heart. Neither paralysis, impairing function, nor necrosis worked, leading to a conclusion that heart is a non-essential organ.
Then I've decided to change things around a little, abandoning the heart-freezing part. Now the akikage's punch can make enemies bleed profusely from every part of their bodies, killing them almost instantly.
EDIT:
I've had a long think about it, and decided I'd remove the interaction from punches, and add a piercing open-hand jab attack instead. It's much less clunky, and much more believable.
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on April 28, 2020, 09:33:02 pm
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 29, 2020, 11:19:52 am
What if add UBSTEP/LBSTEP to headwear?See here (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Armor_token#UBSTEP), no point because it doesn't work for ITEM_HELM. UBSTEP is for ITEM_ARMOR, LBSTEP is for ITEM_ARMOR and ITEM_PANTS.
Post by: nezclaw on April 29, 2020, 05:10:02 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 29, 2020, 05:43:08 pm
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 30, 2020, 11:52:16 am
i got the sizes of the dragons from some absolute mad lad on tumblr who saw my post and went yeah i'll calculate that for you. need to work out the growth period for the assorted breeds now... and i think i'm gonna have to define each breed's shape individually... can you put the STANCE and GRASP tokens on the same body part or am i gonna have to put GRASP on the wings so they can hold things?Yup both tokens work fine. My mod does this with certain quadrupeds:
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Oh you're also going to need to pay attention to what attacks you give the creature. If I gave the kick attack to my pet that stands on its' tail, it would kick with its' tail because the kick attack uses BY_TYPE:STANCE, likewise if you gave wings grasp, the creature would punch with its' wings because the attack uses BY_TYPE:GRASP. It's an easy fix, just something to pay attention to.
Post by: Quantum Drop on April 30, 2020, 12:09:38 pm
While I'm at it, this creature keeps melting whenever in Arena Mode - all bodyparts show as red, but seem functional (able to move around and attack). Anyone know what's causing it to do that?
Spoiler: Raws for Creature (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Modded Body Bits (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 30, 2020, 12:17:29 pm
Is there any way to make a creature's teeth out of a material other than ivory?Teeth call the TOOTH_TEMPLATE in STANDARD_TISSUES, STANDARD_MATERIALS and VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS. One option would be to get rid of the predefined tooth when calling STANDARD_TISSUES and STANDARD_MATERIALS:
Code: [Select]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:TOOTH]
and
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:TOOTH]
And then redefine the TOOTH tissue/material by calling a different template:Code: [Select]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:TOOTH:X_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:TOOTH:X_TEMPLATE]
The other option is to redefine standard tissues and materials, but that's a lot more work than necessary. The first option relies on the assumption that DF will call the material tokens in a linear order, which may not be the case. If you get a material not found TOOTH error, it's removing the material after you updated it and you'll need to redefine standard tissues/materials. One way of doing that would be to copy the existing standard material/tissue definitions, removing the line that defines TOOTH in each one, and making a new one that sets TOOTH to whatever you want. You could also change the line to call an argument, so it can be changed multiple times if needed by calling something like STANDARD_TISSUE_TOOTHARG:whatevertissue and the same for materials.Also about the melting creature, first thing I noticed was the material is hotter than its' melting point:
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[MELTING_POINT:10000]
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:11000]
Once you change that, also try giving your creature a HOMEOTHERM token, such as [HOMEOTHERM:10070], sets the creature's body temp and, "Provides minor protection from environmental temperature to the creature."
Post by: Quantum Drop on April 30, 2020, 12:49:31 pm
Made the alterations, it seems to have worked. Creature isn't melting any more, and its teeth are taking off dwarf limbs quite well. Thanks for the help!Is there any way to make a creature's teeth out of a material other than ivory?Teeth call the TOOTH_TEMPLATE in STANDARD_TISSUES, STANDARD_MATERIALS and VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS. One option would be to get rid of the predefined tooth when calling STANDARD_TISSUES and STANDARD_MATERIALS:Code: [Select][REMOVE_TISSUE:TOOTH]And then redefine the TOOTH tissue/material by calling a different template:
and
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:TOOTH]Code: [Select][USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:TOOTH:X_TEMPLATE]The other option is to redefine standard tissues and materials, but that's a lot more work than necessary. The first option relies on the assumption that DF will call the material tokens in a linear order, which may not be the case. If you get a material not found TOOTH error, it's removing the material after you updated it and you'll need to redefine standard tissues/materials. One way of doing that would be to copy the existing standard material/tissue definitions, removing the line that defines TOOTH in each one, and making a new one that sets TOOTH to whatever you want. You could also change the line to call an argument, so it can be changed multiple times if needed by calling something like STANDARD_TISSUE_TOOTHARG:whatevertissue and the same for materials.
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:TOOTH:X_TEMPLATE]
Also about the melting creature, first thing I noticed was the material is hotter than its' melting point:Code: [Select][MELTING_POINT:10000]Once you change that, also try giving your creature a HOMEOTHERM token, such as [HOMEOTHERM:10070], sets the creature's body temp and, "Provides minor protection from environmental temperature to the creature."
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:11000]
Post by: Toxicshadow on April 30, 2020, 12:54:39 pm
Glad it worked! May I ask, were you able to simply remove the tissue/material and redefine it in the creature file, or did you have to redefine the body detail plans?
Unrelated but here's something silly from one of my body detail plans I thought yall might get a kick from:
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Post by: IndigoFenix on April 30, 2020, 01:50:58 pm
Post by: Quantum Drop on April 30, 2020, 02:52:38 pm
Is that an Amorphous+ mod? Heh, that brings me back...Pretty much, yes. The Glooples are bigger (I think) than in the original, and so far I've gotten the Meltie (explodes on contact, leaves behind syndrome-causing fluid), Horror (Just got to mod in the teeth-firing and rapid tooth-regrowing), Biter (Ditto) and Grinder made, with the Clutter, Inkie, and Torchie/Frostie next on the list. May have to compensate for certain difficult-to-mod ones (Lookin' at you, Void Eater) with new creations or altered versions, due to the difficulty of faithfully reproducing their abilities. Good to find someone else who played that game, though.
@Quantum DropFar as I can tell, removing and redefining the tooth tissue/material did it for the teeth. Melting stopped after a bit of playing around with the temperature (thanks for pointing that out) and after fixing a minor muck-up in the exoskeleton BDP (turns out it was using an entirely different skin-type tissue to the one I needed. Oops.)
Glad it worked! May I ask, were you able to simply remove the tissue/material and redefine it in the creature file, or did you have to redefine the body detail plans?
Unrelated but here's something silly from one of my body detail plans I thought yall might get a kick from:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on April 30, 2020, 05:09:37 pm
Post by: MaxTheFox on May 03, 2020, 10:08:58 am
Post by: TomiTapio on May 03, 2020, 04:27:38 pm
- cave tortoises made a little larger; they already could fatally 8:8 speed bite your brain stem.
- reacher (105 kg humanoid lake lurker) combat skills increased.
- honey badger made more common, I haven't seen them around.
Post by: bloop_bleep on May 03, 2020, 05:53:40 pm
I'm trying to improve grimeling. If it made of real plant structural materials, it become very fragile, so I have idea: grimeling continuously reanimate their bodyparts and add special syndrome. Bodyparts must FLEEQUICK from battles, slowly regrow other body parts and become aggressive back after regrowed full. How code this?
Well, you can make a reanimation interaction that works only on grimeling corpses/body parts, adding a syndrome that has various delayed effects, that transform the reanimated creature progressively to more complete forms of the grimeling, and also a anti-discipline effect that lasts from the start of the syndrome until the final transformation efffect.
Post by: nezclaw on May 05, 2020, 08:12:06 pm
actually since they're bat type wings, that might not need to be fixed...i got the sizes of the dragons from some absolute mad lad on tumblr who saw my post and went yeah i'll calculate that for you. need to work out the growth period for the assorted breeds now... and i think i'm gonna have to define each breed's shape individually... can you put the STANCE and GRASP tokens on the same body part or am i gonna have to put GRASP on the wings so they can hold things?Yup both tokens work fine. My mod does this with certain quadrupeds:One thing to keep in mind with this is other body parts that use CONTYPE:STANCE or CONTYPE:GRASP. I have a neopet that uses its' tail as a stance part, and it also has feet. If I used the vanilla 2TOES body part, it would put toes on the tail because the body part uses CONTYPE:STANCE, thus I created a body part that puts two toes on two feet, like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)It uses CON to directly target the desired bodyparts, rather than targeting every STANCE part. If you give wings GRASP for example, and you're also giving them hands/fingers, you'll need to make a new body part similar to the one above to make sure they don't have fingers on their wings.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh you're also going to need to pay attention to what attacks you give the creature. If I gave the kick attack to my pet that stands on its' tail, it would kick with its' tail because the kick attack uses BY_TYPE:STANCE, likewise if you gave wings grasp, the creature would punch with its' wings because the attack uses BY_TYPE:GRASP. It's an easy fix, just something to pay attention to.
Post by: Toxicshadow on May 06, 2020, 10:56:40 am
actually since they're bat type wings, that might not need to be fixed...Not sure what you mean honestly. I'm just saying if your wings have the token [GRASP], like this:
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Oh and also, the punch attack and the kick attack target body parts that use [GRASP], and [STANCE], respectively.
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Post by: SQman on May 07, 2020, 02:46:16 am
-Cave stag - a quadrupedal grazer with antlers of hardened fungal matter. The fungusis effectively wood, but counts as horn.
-Pig tail host - a giant cicada nymph infested with fibrous fungus. This fungus is actually wool, but hush! Don't tell anyone! This is actually a repurposed creature from my scrapped project, Dwarven Underground Pet Assortment (D.U.P.A).
-Large rolling puffball - a large spherical fungus filled with infectious spores. It releases said spores if threatened or damaged. The fungus it's made of is basically muscle, but heals much faster. I'll probably use this material/tissue for the inside of most fungal creatures.
-Giant rolling puffball - larger, faster, more aggressive form of rolling puffball. I have a small, vermin puffball planned, but that comes later.
I've made some plans for the first and second layer (fungal wiods and deep swamp, and aberrant garden and crystalline pools).
There's also a creature that has been on my mind for a while, but doesn't fit in any of my projects - the Tricepsratops, a triceratops with muscular arms. I don't wanna waste such ingenious idea.
Post by: TomiTapio on May 07, 2020, 07:46:52 am
I've started working on yet another project I may never finish - a cavern expansion. So far I've finished four creatures:
-Cave stag
If you don't finish the project in X weeks -- do you want your creatures included in OldGenesis?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 07, 2020, 09:28:46 pm
I really wanted to come up with some new critters to replace domestic animals in dwarven civs, ive not done much yet though.
Post by: SQman on May 08, 2020, 04:39:40 am
Post by: MaxTheFox on May 08, 2020, 04:45:20 am
Also I made blizzard men be actually made of ice.
Post by: Rekov on May 09, 2020, 12:34:46 am
Code: [Select]
[REACTION:PRESS_OIL]
[NAME:press liquid from paste]
[BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS:CUSTOM_P]
[REAGENT:paste:150:GLOB:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:PRESS_LIQUID_MAT]
[NOT_PRESSED]
[REAGENT:liquid container:1:TOOL:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[EMPTY]
[DOES_NOT_ABSORB]
[PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER]
[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:paste:PRESS_LIQUID_MAT][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:liquid container]
[PRODUCT:100:1:GLOB:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:paste:NONE][PRODUCT_PRESSED]
[SKILL:PRESSING]
[REACTION:PRESS_OIL_FRUIT]
[NAME:press liquid from fruit]
[BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS:CUSTOM_F]
[REAGENT:plant:1:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:PRESS_LIQUID_MAT]
[NOT_PRESSED]
[UNROTTEN]
[REAGENT:liquid container:1:TOOL:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[EMPTY]
[DOES_NOT_ABSORB]
[PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER]
[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:PRESS_LIQUID_MAT][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:liquid container]
[PRODUCT:100:1:GLOB:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:NONE][PRODUCT_PRESSED]
[SKILL:PRESSING]
Post by: SQman on May 11, 2020, 12:50:56 pm
-Chomper - quite uninteresting; just a six-legged lizard with a toothy beak. Peaceful herbivore, when cornered it defends itself by biting and scratching. May be useful for egg production.
-Mycellic devourer - a huge amphibian with fungus growing on its back and head. It disguises itself as a patch of floor fungus in wait for prey. It's an ambush predator slightly larger than a yak, but even slower than a giant cave toad. Goblins that don't value their time may use them as mounts.
-Strandcat - a cat-shaped mass of loose mycelium strands. Its claws inject debilitating toxin. Because of the creature's fibrous nature, blunt weapons have virtually no effect other than an occasional shattered claw. Trainable for war and hunting. Size of a beak dog or gorilla.
Next batch: fungal Mike Tyson, spore flamingo, and a thing straight up stolen from Dungeon Meshi.
Post by: nezclaw on May 13, 2020, 05:47:09 pm
question. how would i go about creating the spines for this dude?
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Post by: Eric Blank on May 13, 2020, 06:06:13 pm
If the horns are cut off, all of the ones created by the same definition will come off at the same time, but that shouldn't be a big deal.
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on May 14, 2020, 04:24:15 pm
also if this dragon has a gore attack, make sure you adjust the gore attack to only use the horns on the head
Post by: nezclaw on May 16, 2020, 09:17:47 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2020, 11:53:02 pm
I think I've finally got worldgen relatively stable. Turns out you have to have at least -10 to the leisure time to prevent fishing-related worldgen crashes? But there's still the occasional crash I can't account for. I'm thinking of doing away with the materials requirement for generating aether salts and just having them produced slowly out of a free reaction, like a 1-5% chance to produce some. Or get rid of aether salts as a reagent requirement altogether? Not sure there. It was originally supposed to be a stop gap that prevents you from just quickly spawning in everything with no effort, but it's a cheesy mechanic anyway. Not that every other aspect of "studying" or "learning" as implemented isn't cheesy. For a long time there I used cheese materials/items as the basis for the essences you eat, but carnivores refuse to eat cheese, hence switching to fish. Before that it was the inhale-able boiling material method, which is stupidly unreliable in general.
I wish, dearly, that I could just spawn books that have secrets written in them which dwarves can learn by reading the book. But there's really no way to force that to happen via reaction or interaction, even though I could at this point totally make every spell a secret that can be learned by eating an essence and then you can write it down and learn it from the books (at least I think that would work? I'm not sure, would have to actually test it.). You'd still have to learn the secret second-hand like from an essence, then get the dwarf who ate the essence to write a book about the secret for everyone else.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 17, 2020, 01:50:14 am
Post by: nezclaw on May 17, 2020, 08:01:31 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on May 17, 2020, 08:28:04 pm
of latest OldGenesis. Enough changes had accumulated.
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Post by: Eric Blank on May 21, 2020, 04:31:33 pm
Nevermind its on the "interaction examples" page on the wiki which I forgot existed.
The new kineroch lightning spell will hit you with solid and liquid globs of both lightning and thunder simultaneously! Very powerful! I've also fixed the conjuring otherworldly beings reaction; it now produces an essence-fish just like spells and potions do. Eat that to gain the soul of the creature and power to conjure it into this plane. It summons one of many different things at random, which could be great if you get an angelic warrior to fight for you, or really, really bad if you summon a crazed demonic warrior that eats your face.
Post by: Kyubee on May 22, 2020, 03:04:11 pm
Most of the stuff I add... Makes no difference to the average fortress, because its in the ocean.
Not gonna stop adding sea life though, its kinda my passion. I'll just have to make more amphibious critters
Post by: TomiTapio on May 23, 2020, 03:39:17 pm
I came to a realization about my modding. Most of the stuff I add... Makes no difference to the average fortress, because its in the ocean.Could make ghost/wraith/phantom versions of your new sea creatures, so they appear in marshes and other?
Not gonna stop adding sea life though, its kinda my passion. I'll just have to make more amphibious critters
"Goddammit, it's another group of PHANTOM DOLPHINS in the sky.""
edit: old phantom raven, ultra super dodging.
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Post by: Eric Blank on May 23, 2020, 03:45:14 pm
Ive been working on new magical critters again. I'm making a tarantula made of vines now. One of many plant-creatures I wanted to do. Not thinking of doing venom, but maybe it could produce webs of vines.
Post by: Kyubee on May 24, 2020, 10:37:52 pm
I came to a realization about my modding. Most of the stuff I add... Makes no difference to the average fortress, because its in the ocean.Could make ghost/wraith/phantom versions of your new sea creatures, so they appear in marshes and other?
Not gonna stop adding sea life though, its kinda my passion. I'll just have to make more amphibious critters
"Goddammit, it's another group of PHANTOM DOLPHINS in the sky.""
edit: old phantom raven, ultra super dodging.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
One of my first mod attempts was flying versions of various fish in evil biomes.
could do that again~ Surprisingly, Dorf Fort doesnt *actually* have dolphins yet. Or blue whales. So, this mod im making added them, even if theyll be seen oh-so-rarely.
Post by: Tallcastle on May 26, 2020, 07:34:20 am
one of my attempts with golden salve didn't go well (you can see it here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=176484.0))
I've also been doing some !SCIENCE! on how secrets spread during world generation outside of necromancer towers. I've been especially interested in how the Knowledge and scholar system would effect this spread.
Set the :secrets: setting to '0' and included a few custom ones to avoid the towers
ran 30~40 medium worlds 200~300 years each.
Every 3~5 iterations I would adjust some minor personality facets to see what would change from a baseline averaged from 10 standard worlds.
found some interesting things combing threw the legends...ran 30~40 medium worlds 200~300 years each.
Every 3~5 iterations I would adjust some minor personality facets to see what would change from a baseline averaged from 10 standard worlds.
in 5 worlds, maxing the VALUE:KNOWLEDGE in the entity_defult.txt file for the 4 races consistently results in a high number of Libraries generating in the world (3 per world up from an average of 1.8 ) the number of Goblins in the world where consistently high in all 5 worlds (at least 50% of major entities where goblins)
in 3 worlds, setting [PERSONALITY:PERSEVERANCE:80:90:100] for all 4 races in the creatures_standard.txt file resulted in an increased number of tablets issued by gods (around 7 per world, up from an average of 5.1)
in 3 worlds setting [PERSONALITY:CURIOUS:70:80:90] to all core races in creatures_standard.txt resulted in dwarf civs and populations doing conspicuously well overall (+1000 more dwarf pops on average) 'other' pops tend to be higher and more prosperous. ALSO - while the number of libraries remained average the amount of 'Written Content Composed' and 'Knowledge Discovered' saw a 20% to 40% increase. One such world had a Secret slab issued by a Dwarf god to an especially devout 'Mountain Goat Man'.
a few worlds had a number of interesting events worthy of note.
As secrets where set to '0' no necromancers spawned, my custom secrets did not have any references to "experiments." on 2 separate occasions Demons where responsible for performing "Horrible Experiments" one demon after taking over a Goblin Civ, did horrible experiments 5 times as part of various wars, in another, Goblins had taken over the entire world, the last Dwarf civ had pierced the underworld at the same time as being attacked by a Goblin army, any dwarf not mutilated by the Goblins was experimented on by the Demons.
3 occasions a secret was spread as the result the intrigue system. The Secret holding entity would offer 'Immortality' as part of a plot (it didnt always work but seeing it happen at all makes the notion of 'cult' like secret groups an intriguing possibility)
an average of 5~6 entities would learn secrets per world, of those an average of 1.8 would ever go on to author books on their own. of the +50 or Authors and +300 books, only 3 contained secrets that where learned by others. This was not reliable and no changes i made could account for it, in one case a single slab ended up in a library where it was read by 9 others. Over 100 books where written by these 10 secret keepers and not ONE of these works (as far as i could tell) had a secret written in it.
lastly as a modding note, If a god has access to multiple secrets that come from multiple Spheres, then issues a Secret Slab to a worshoper, then that slab will occasionaly teach the wrong secret than that indicated on the slab.
Example:in one case a God with the Spheres WATER and EARTH, issued a slab containing "The Secret of Living Water" but when read, taught "The Secrets of Living Earth" when instead.
Post by: Quarque on May 26, 2020, 07:54:45 am
I came to a realization about my modding.
Most of the stuff I add... Makes no difference to the average fortress, because its in the ocean.
Sounds really interesting. I like coastal fortresses, what features did you add? Lots of wildlife? Can it be encountered at the beach?
Post by: Kyubee on May 26, 2020, 04:56:48 pm
I came to a realization about my modding.
Most of the stuff I add... Makes no difference to the average fortress, because its in the ocean.
Sounds really interesting. I like coastal fortresses, what features did you add? Lots of wildlife? Can it be encountered at the beach?
Not a lot yet. Just a handful of fishable vermin, humboldt squids (Renamed to "Jumbo squids" to keep the dorf fort aesthetic), and four variants of whale, two of which based off Endless Ocean (The Blue Whale, 52 Hertz Whale (a mysterious whale call we've never actually seen the cause of, so I just made it a savage variant), the White Mother (a giant blue whale in good biomes), and the Singing Dragons (Just rare whales)
however, knowing theres actual interest in coastal forts beyond my memey tomfoolery, ill go back into ocean work. Theres always fun options for that.
Edit: OH, I'm not just working with water oceans in this mod. I'm adding life to the magma sea, too, to make your forges that much more of a risky preposition. Currently, magma fish (basically just red fireproof coelecanths), and magma krakens (Massive fireproof octopi). Both are also unbreathing, so if they spot you, they *Can* come out of the magma to give you a hard time.
Post by: Boltgun on May 27, 2020, 02:19:08 pm
That's a bit disappointing as I was expecting to be able to push in any direction, up, down, enemies against each other, etc.
Post by: MaxTheFox on May 28, 2020, 03:34:52 am
Post by: Kyubee on May 28, 2020, 07:35:21 am
Post by: IndigoFenix on May 28, 2020, 09:05:01 am
Made a subspecies of dragons that have a weaker fire breath but can inject venom with their bites. Forgot to decrease the melting point for the venom, causing it to be superheated on injection. Which incinerates victims into ash from the inside within seconds, not even leaving a corpse. This is a nice effect but not what I had in mind...
I've also done this with super-cold venom. The victim's corpse decomposes and vanishes without a trace seconds after death.
Post by: ZM5 on May 28, 2020, 10:40:27 am
I made a lot of experiments with PROPEL_UNIT and so far nothing work besides what we can read in the interaction examples. So it can only push an enemy away from you, without selecting locations.If the enemies line up then they will slam into each other atleast, pretty fun to see when it happens.
That's a bit disappointing as I was expecting to be able to push in any direction, up, down, enemies against each other, etc.
Made a subspecies of dragons that have a weaker fire breath but can inject venom with their bites. Forgot to decrease the melting point for the venom, causing it to be superheated on injection. Which incinerates victims into ash from the inside within seconds, not even leaving a corpse. This is a nice effect but not what I had in mind...
Very nice, I've got something similar going on with a Wrath-based megabeast. Bleeds magma, but as it has a high body temperature its not affected by the heat produced, when alive anyway.
Once it dies though, its body begins to burn up, as the materials its made from aren't fireproof. Leaves nothing behind (aside from the spreading fire, obviously).
Post by: SQman on May 29, 2020, 05:10:08 pm
Butchering a compost mound now yields a poor quality green tourmaline figurine that represents the creature's crystalline golem core.
I've also realized I shouldn't have made these lads out of actual soil, because they were a little too hardcore, with soil being stone and all that. Not only was it impossible to hit the core, but dealing any kind of damage was way too difficult. Now they are made of a custom material that's easy to pierce without being too flimsy.
Edit:
Now that I think about it, my strandcats may also be a bit unfair, being killable only by bisection. I'll give them a central node made of soft fungus in their upper bodies, and in return I'll make their heads non-essential.
Another edit:
Finally got my stuff together and started making those T'lethian pets. The first is the deep one - a chimaera made from alien and human embryos. It can discharge electricity, causing pain, blisters and sometimes paralysis to its enemies.
During the first test an unarmed human managed to defeat a deep one, which shouldn't happen considering electricity, size, and aqua-plastics body armor that should give the aliens the upper hand.
During the second test I took control of the deep one, and immediately went for a discharge. I dropped to the ground paralyzed, and my enemy stomped me to death. I can imagine things like that being detrimental to aquatoid invasion, so I made all TFTD creatures (currently two) immune to this syndrome.
I've also adjusted the T'lethians themselves a bit - tasoths and lobster men no longer have metal scales and shells; instead I went for material force multiplier. An armed dwarf of moderate skill can take down unarmed tasoths and lobster men, not to mention aquatoids and gillmen. I'm not sure how the things will turn out once the aliens come with aqua-plastics vibro blades and sonic-blasta rifles.
Post by: Madde on June 06, 2020, 04:59:02 am
They will have a push force/short term stun aura to deter melee attackers, a continuous inhalable gas secretion that can cause the lungs to rot, the ability to summon a few slow moving oozes that explode on death, and some generic kind of projectile attack. I've also been thinking about giving them the ability to "corrupt" livestock from afar by giving their muscle tissue some kind of ingestible syndrome effect, but I am unsure if this can be done with CE_BODY_MAT_INTERACTION. Aditionally, they will be extremely slow walkers, to prevent them from running headfirst into melee combat.
I am unsure about the body layout yet. They will probably be at least somewhat humanoid in nature, but some unusual extremities and a really thick layer of fat are to be expected.
The oozes will be similar to cave blobs, filled with some liquid/gas substance that can leak out. I don't exactly know what kind of syndrome effect it will have, I tend to like spreading diseases and minor injury effects more than instant advanced brain necrosis, so it'll most likely be just a minor annoyance like skin blisters and a fever.
To help the crones spread in world-gen, they'll be spouse converters, but only if that tag doesn't prevent them from attacking player-made sites.
Post by: ZM5 on June 07, 2020, 02:30:00 am
Post by: SQman on June 12, 2020, 01:25:56 am
-Compost mound - a loam golem. Changed it a little bit so that it has a chance to drop a mound tuber, a truffle-carrot, and a shem root. All those plants are edible and brewable, and very valuable.
-Mushroom brawler - Mike Tyson's fungal cousin, a large mushroom man with fists made of woody fungal tissue. Edible.
-Spore swallower - a long-legged, broad-billed bird, like a flamingo combined with a shoebill and a pelican. Eats spores, at least fluff-wise.
-Cave glider - a mix between a fox, a weasel, and a flying squirrel. Extremely fast in the air. Hunts vermin and its pelts are worth a bit more than normal.
-Tender - a four-legged crab that keeps spore-spewing mushrooms on its back for protection. Think Paras, except symbiotic, no parasitosis going on.
Next batch will contain dudes made of mold, mushroom nymphs, and tapir-elephants.
The work on the modpack is also progressing nicely. I'm craming more and more into it, and there's still no errorlog or worldgen crashes.
Post by: mgsicko on June 18, 2020, 05:18:18 pm
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Post by: Eric Blank on June 18, 2020, 05:44:04 pm
The creatures and entities question thread is technically the correct place to ask these questions, but whatever.
Post by: mgsicko on June 19, 2020, 07:38:36 am
Edit: yep, that worked alright, just for the register
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on June 20, 2020, 05:52:09 pm
Post by: xaritscin on June 20, 2020, 07:12:51 pm
+2 large humanoid civilizations (human sized), one for ocean and another for good biomes
+2 small humanoid civilizations (kobold sized), one for desert and another for tundras
at least 1 of those is already on the game which is Merpeople, im trying to find information on whether a race without legs can move around on land and if its possible to make new types of farming industries and activities on water for amphibian creatures (algae farming, mussell farms, coral farms?) that can supplement and give an extra to the vanilla activities.
im also planning on my own twist for Kobold civilization.
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on June 20, 2020, 08:02:24 pm
Post by: xaritscin on June 20, 2020, 08:13:05 pm
also, from what i read these kind of custom civilizations dont have sites so not sure how they would expand on worldgen? its all very new to me, i just modified the vanilla races using the All Races Playable mod as a base and reference then started making my own tweaks to the game like changing certain propeties on livestock or balancing goblins and elves.
Post by: ZM5 on June 21, 2020, 04:00:23 am
Also, what do you mean by "also, from what i read these kind of custom civilizations dont have sites so not sure how they would expand on worldgen?"? Custom races can be set to have different site types and they will expand, you're just limited to the sites used by the races in vanilla.
If you're only referring to cave civs then yes, they'll only have their starting cave as a site and won't make new sites (though they may take over ruins of sites).
Post by: SQman on June 29, 2020, 05:20:13 pm
The broken ones are essentially the beastmen of Dr. Moreau let loose on the Demiplane of Dread; grotesque hybrids of man and animal living miserable life, shunned by normal folks, banding together under the tyrannical rule of other, more powerful broken ones.
There are two general versions divided into specific castes:
-Regular - generally smaller than a human, with mutations and disfigurements that are mostly detrimental. They live max 50 years. Commoners are called wretches, and recruits are looters.
*ratman - a very basic caste with rat-like teeth and tail. Smaller than a dwarf.
*crowman - a caste with just one functional hand. Learns manual labors and combat skills slowly because its arm is misshapen and spastic.
*snakeman - a hairless caste with no nose or ears, and just one lung
*catman - a caste with claws. Important stuff is mostly description
*toadman - a caste with green skin and fast swimming gait. Its land speed is somewhat lower than in most broken ones
!The remaining ones aren't even fully envisioned yet.!
*goatman
*pigman
*roachman
*wolfman
*baboonman
-Greater - superior to humans in some way, be it strength, venomous stinger or sheer size. Due to their objective superiority they are more aggressive and ambitious than their common brethren, though not a bit less intelligent. They are the rulers of broken communities. Commoners are blaggards, recruits are pillagers. They live about as long as humans.
*scorpionman
*eagleman
*gorillaman
*lionman
*carpman/sharkman
Post by: Eric Blank on August 03, 2020, 04:16:33 pm
Racial and civ-specific powers is still in the works. Because it's hard, and requires additional creativity, and ive run into a sort o of writers block. I've been slowly recreating the missing civs/races that got fucked up in the transition from .44_12 to .47_x. I want to give them unique powers and reactions too.
I wanted to add more creatures made of plant materials, but ran out of ideas. The blight sphere can now raise dead plant-creatures as undead. They behave like regular zombies right now, but made of plant stuff.
Sadly you can't have raw-modded necromancer civs at all it seems. Modded secrets can build tower complexes full of undead where they store the slab, but I have no way to create a civ association and thus they don't go out and conquer the world. Which sucks.
Post by: Abyssmo on September 01, 2020, 11:51:46 pm
Other than that, I've been practicing quite a bit on my modding skills and since it's September now, I.E. Halloween season, I've got a special spooky total conversion project cooking that I've been intending on making since the very moment I joined this forum. I'm not gonna give too much away, but I hope that these screenshots are enough to make you all figure out what exactly it is. ;)
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While I'm not usually one to decide release dates, I'm planning on releasing this specific mod sometime either this month or in October. Either way, I hope you all will enjoy what I have in store...
And so, the hunt begins again.
Post by: ZM5 on September 02, 2020, 08:08:35 am
(https://puu.sh/Gogm0/6ade39edc8.png)
Tried out the CE_SPECIAL_ATTACK_INTERACTION token that the 47.x ghouls use while I was making the Sprites from Kingdoms of Amalur - easier to set up than I expected and works well.
(https://puu.sh/Gogq3/3a88c603cf.png)
Buffed up the Sprite with all 3 champion variants and the different interaction effects all take place at the same time from just one attack, so there's some possible devilish uses for it.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 02, 2020, 02:18:47 pm
I did make a golem yesterday. Theres only one variant, bronze golem with a sword and a crossbow (they have an interaction to fire bronze globs, which should be dangerous enough). I'm trying to put a special rune on them which counts as their brain, is a small, external body part made of obsidian on their upper body. It works if you hit it with an edged weapon like an iron axe, but not an iron mace. That just glances off. They're "skilled" fighters in all disciplines.
They won 21 out of 26 matches against equally skilled humans wearing iron armor and steel halberds (I figure the halberd simulates most large slashing, stabbing and smacking attacks). Those who won had one or no major injuries, the golems tended to suffer several lost body parts or serious injuries.
So they're tough. Now I just need to write up a construction/summoning reaction and interaction to produce them in-game.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 02, 2020, 05:16:54 pm
Have to start making graphical sprites. I am notoriously bad at this, but as per the FotF response, anything that doesn't have sprites won't show up, unless I want to reuse vanilla sprites and confuse players. I'll be honest, I've been putting this off the whole time I've been doing DF modding, because I suck at it. But it's not going to be optional anymore.ASCII/regular tileset version comes with Steam. If there's no sprites in your mod, just call it a non-graphical mod. Shouldn't ever force yourself to start doing something you don't enjoy just because the masses are demanding it.
I did make a golem yesterday. Theres only one variant, bronze golem with a sword and a crossbow (they have an interaction to fire bronze globs, which should be dangerous enough). I'm trying to put a special rune on them which counts as their brain, is a small, external body part made of obsidian on their upper body. It works if you hit it with an edged weapon like an iron axe, but not an iron mace. That just glances off. They're "skilled" fighters in all disciplines.
They won 21 out of 26 matches against equally skilled humans wearing iron armor and steel halberds (I figure the halberd simulates most large slashing, stabbing and smacking attacks). Those who won had one or no major injuries, the golems tended to suffer several lost body parts or serious injuries.
So they're tough. Now I just need to write up a construction/summoning reaction and interaction to produce them in-game.
Post by: SQman on September 03, 2020, 04:07:37 pm
Giraffes needed a big overhaul - in vanilla they have no hooves and their horns are, well, horns. With Animalia they will have their hooves, and their horns will be made of bone and covered with skin. I also gave them a headbutt attack that's supposed to reflect the neck wrestling between males. It's a secondary attack because it's not actually used against predators.
Finishing off canines, I took a look back at giant wolves. Almost 500k is nothing to scoff at, but it seemed too little. Now giant wolves will weight about a tonne. Same for red and arctic wolves. Dholes and African wild dogs also got a significant size boost, if someone prefers their elven wolf riders Indian or African themed.
Starting reviewing goats. Goat and sheep men can attack with their horns, and giant versions can be used as pack animals should elves get their hands on some.
EDIT:
Some Slay the Spire stuff: red lice are in. They can grow properly increasing their strength, length and broadness. Unlike its green cousin it can't spit webs, but can still curl up.
Acid slime is also in. It's meant to represent large slimes and is able to spit blistering slime that it's also filled with. It's basically a beefed up cave blob.
Spike slime - teal slime that can cut off limbs with its "lick" attack
EDIT:
I did it, I managed to recreate the fungi beast from Slay the Spire in an acceptable way! It's slightly bigger than a large rat because of the fungal parts, and attacking its mushroom's cap releases spores that cause vulnerability which is meant to simulate its on-death effect. It can also grow like the red louse and should be able to survive beheading; the real head is the cap.
Jaw worm was simple - I didn't even have to make any special parts, just a simple self-buff interaction for "bellow" ability.
That concludes the non-civilized act I common enemies. Lagavulin is gonna be fun.
Post by: SQman on September 17, 2020, 04:40:01 am
I had been stuck for a while because I didn't feel making anything too complex, but I eased myself into it by starting with something easy - moldswine are large animals resembling tusked tapirs, or maybe miniature elephants. They are benign grazers that hang out in large herds.
Moldmen are humanoids composed of fuzzy blue mold. They are driven by the need to consume, though they are neither skilled fighters nor built for fighting.
Tenders are small crab-like creatures that grow mushrooms on their backs. While they are not aggressive, they can spray spores that cause blood cough and fever.
Mold slimes are just that, giant patches of slime mold. Not much more to say about these.
Skullslugs are simillar to mold slimes but smaller and with a skull that acts as a shell.
Fungal nymphs are humanoid with grasping tentacles instead of arms, mycelium for hair, a mushroom cap serving as a hat. Their only facial feature is a pair of large glowing eyes. They are gentle and friendly, but can defend themselves using the Sporelung spell that fills the enemy's lungs with spores causing blood cough and decreased endurance. They can also heal their friends, though some may find the process disturbing.
Fungans are semi-sentient fungi that attain humanoid shape by clinging to skeletons. Regular fungans are little threat to an armed soldier. A fungan mage can fire magic missiles, but in melee it's not much different from regular fungans. Fungan marauders are clad in metal armor and hold iron swords that they can use with some efficiency. Fungan juggernauts grow around troll skeletons complete with horns and tusks.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 23, 2020, 04:37:22 pm
Gonna fix that weird sleeproot/dream ale issue. It's easy to poison people in adventure mode by giving them a mug full of whatever, it doesn't have to be a drink mat. So there's no need to continue ruining everyone's forts by letting them accidentally serve dream ale to people.
Also, vutchnell will be getting a racial power that severely weakens serpents (including the semi-megabeast I have and all the other serpents or snakes in the game), in lieu of Riki Tiki Tavi, as they are canonically mongoose people. Familairs have proven an efficient means to spread racial powers among a forts population, even though melting clothes and alcohol have not been particularly reliable. Still working on all the racial powers of course.
There's an ongoing issue with being able to cast the self-meditation interaction on an individual multiple times even though it's flagged as cannot_target_if_already_affected and has a permanent effect that should preclude recasting it. Not sure what's going on there. You're only supposed to get one chance at gaining powers, and not everyone is supposed to have innate magical powers
Oh, I also made a new civ with access to every item, weapon, armor, reaction, animal etc in the game and some new cheating reactions to produce stuff for free. This helps me quickly test if things are working. But it's also fun to quickly produce hoards of steel equipment and bully other civs. One of these days I should test what happens if I conquer an entire world.
Post by: ZM5 on October 10, 2020, 12:59:38 pm
I'm suspecting something relating to trees given the last time I've asked about the issue the other person mentioned cave-ins happening in the save I provided (and me having a similar crash issue elsewhere), but I'm still wondering what exactly causes the random cave-ins from trees (I'm sure some other people have seen this happen in Elf forest retreats).
Post by: Eric Blank on October 10, 2020, 01:47:20 pm
I've also had issues with plants that use creature materials. If you have any, test those in the arena too
Post by: ZM5 on October 10, 2020, 02:02:07 pm
EDIT: Nnnope, so taking out [WET] from the cactus/spire type "trees" wasn't it, still occurs with something else. I thought at first it could also be the organic materials like brain/nerve/eye/muscle tissue but then I remembered if that were the case I'd be crashing everywhere from fleshy trees underground. Hmmm.
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on October 10, 2020, 06:03:52 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on October 10, 2020, 07:45:52 pm
Post by: delphonso on October 10, 2020, 10:51:13 pm
Currently watching elves dehydrate to death because they have no way of producing drinks.
Post by: TomiTapio on October 11, 2020, 08:20:27 am
Post by: Eric Blank on October 11, 2020, 06:49:20 pm
Post by: King Zultan on October 18, 2020, 08:14:29 am
Post by: Foxite on October 21, 2020, 07:01:42 am
My first attempt was to make an additional "dimension" of castes with 3 variations of fur thickness and insulation, but I'm not able to find a way to influence how the game decides which caste to use (besides POP_RATIO), never mind anything that uses climate data.
And since having a total of 18 castes (because I already have 2 dimensions, one for gender and one for tail count) is rather unmaintainable I decided not to try this approach.
Another idea is to make entirely separate creatures, with separate entities, and have the winter-coat entities only settle in cold biomes, etc. That doesn't solve the problem of having to deal with 18 different versions of the same creature, and it also prevents different coat-types from getting on with each other, but if there's a way to restrict entities to specific climates I'll definitely try it.
Post by: Eric Blank on October 21, 2020, 11:50:02 am
I've been messing with cavern plants again. My attempts to make bone sprouts grow logs made of bone failed, so now I'm hoping to make it a product of milling or something.
I'm uncertain whether my tea-and-fiber trees fruit is actually able to be processed for fiber, too. Gotta test that more.
Post by: MC on November 05, 2020, 06:56:18 am
Equipment related questions:
Is there any way to set tools to be purchasable on embark? I don't want to make my saws "weapons" since they're absolutely terrible at fighting.
I have shuriken mostly functional (fully usable in adventure mode where you can just throw them), however for fortress mode where they need to be "fired" out of a weapon (just using my karate hand wraps) you're limited to making one type or you'll run into the "multiple ammo types" bug, which it turns out prevents units from firing anything with 2 different ammo types in their quiver even if both types are valid for the weapon they're using.
Followup to that, is there any way to set weapons to be equipped to a clothing slot so I can make the hand wraps into gloves? Kinda doubt it but if anyone knows how that'd be nice.
Second followup, custom quivers? For flavor I'd like to make units hold their shuriken in obi.
On to entity related stuff.
Editing language raws sucks and I've basically resigned myself to just making it so names like sarutobi or goemon show up and not caring about the japanese being anything other than a mangled mess. Currently debating if I should keep the itemthief tag or not but I figure ninja raids are more important that dwarves being able to trade with a race that mostly makes items they can't use. Also, their ethics seem close enough that they form alliances fairly easily as well, which is really really weird cuz I didn't think that was possible. The weird assortment of tokugawa/edo/sengoku era titles I have for noble positions right now is confusing so I'm probably gonna simply it instead of keeping standard dwarf positions but renamed.
Entity questions:
Is there any way to assign a uniform to a civ position/job? Mostly asking to see if it's possible to make ninja more ninja like outside of making master thieves an allowed job. Additionally, can you limit an entity position to a specific job (basically stuff like "ninja chiefs" limited to only master thieves etc). Custom professions in worldgen would be nice in general.
Any way to edit local bandity to add it rouge ninja/ronins instead of generic "warlord/chief/master/etc." Dont think there is but would love to be wrong.
Specifically related to DFhack (tho a non-dfhack way of doing this would be rad), does anyone know of some good examples to look at to create a "sword sharpening" script? I want to use strand extraction to make unfinished sword blades into finished artifact swords.
I think that's all my questions for now. still got plenty to work on after getting all that sorted out but I don't want to try doing everything at once, so stuff like yokai, asura, and treasure ships aren't things I'm working on atm.
Post by: Kyubee on November 11, 2020, 04:19:40 am
I'll probably include a guide within the file.
Post by: MC on November 11, 2020, 06:05:51 am
Making something multiple differnt types of "megabeast" (night creature hunter, semimegabeast, etc) will make that creature spawn in every possible category.
Turning people into vermin is REALLY WEIRD
Because legends mode will not track vermin, it will also not track people being turned into vermin. This includes people turned into vermin during normal gameplay, legends mode will just pretend they were their original species.
People turned vermin are not treated like normal vermin and instead are just treated as normal creatures. Basically you cannot Grab them with g in adv mode and they don't blink around.
I managed to crash the game by trying to throw a guy I turned into a snail with wrestling. However I can't reproduce this.
If creatures have multiple specialattack_interactions they tend to use them all at once during worldgen
specialattack_interaction interactions actually occur BEFORE the attack that inflicts them (important enough that I already added to the wiki). Also how I got around the weirdness with turning people into bugs, because they can't act weird if they're 100% guaranteed to be squished the instant after they turn into a bug!
worldgen battles seem to be decided mostly be size and material composition (of the armor, weapons, and creatures) that take part in them. Not sure about skills (aside from things like military tactics for group engagements), but if skills do matter 10 striking is not enough to make any noticeable difference. Notably, the properties of actual attacks used don't seem to matter that much. My yamanba, despite being insanely dangerous in actual gameplay, are such chumps in worldgen that they almost never manage to get names and only seem to """win""" most of their engagements because units are programmed to flee from megabeasts instead of fighting. They tend to die as soon as someone "confronts" them. The thing this say the most to me is that velocity of attacks probably isn't considered, since the way I got my mountain hags to break the skin with their nails to inflict their curses was to make them scratch really really really fast.
Adventurers cannot be made to eat bugs, even if you give them the gobble_vermin tag. Sad
Megabeasts seem to be able to become the enemy of something without interacting with them. I had multiple creatures with literal screens worth of enemies who had done nothing aside from spawn in a mountain somewhere.
Post by: Kyubee on November 11, 2020, 09:47:45 am
Turning people into vermin is REALLY WEIRD
Because legends mode will not track vermin, it will also not track people being turned into vermin. This includes people turned into vermin during normal gameplay, legends mode will just pretend they were their original species.
People turned vermin are not treated like normal vermin and instead are just treated as normal creatures. Basically you cannot Grab them with g in adv mode and they don't blink around.
I managed to crash the game by trying to throw a guy I turned into a snail with wrestling. However I can't reproduce this.
Vermin are kind of broken, yeah. I remember long ago, someone tried to make chickens lay live bees. It... Didn't work well.
Meanwhile, I got some good metal names~
Post by: Atkana on November 21, 2020, 05:31:49 am
Post by: Eric Blank on November 23, 2020, 04:38:22 am
Post by: ChaosPotato on November 24, 2020, 12:33:18 am
Post by: Rumrusher on November 25, 2020, 07:59:46 am
well got inspired into figuring out a way to just hollow out a tree with out cutting one down.
then started back on my raid script addons with realizing I could rework my old recruit scripts to just Snatch a random nemesis from a site
which eventually once I get the script work out would lead into being able to send units out to grab prisoners from sites or any historical units.
fake edit: ok so after testing this snatch script I currently realize if someone you snatched before ends up dead from a botch raid attempt the snatched person will instantly die and leave no corpse.
which lead to writing a script that removes the snatched person from the nemesis pool of the site. which while that works does lead to scenarios where the site is filled with inhabitants and sending your army off to fight an endless horde that as no leader.
probably going to toss the script over to the dfhack thread.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 28, 2020, 06:49:03 pm
The sorceror interaction I added works fine it seems; rarely an individual, when they use/are affected by the "self meditation" interaction to learn natural abilities, gets a second CDI which makes them a sorceror with lots of extra powers basically for free. I also dialed back the likelihood of getting natural abilities in general, so natural abilities are less likely.
I've been considering changing the way you learn spells through wizardly research too, maybe seeing if severity values and added concentrations from CDIs can add additional CDIs. You could then eat one essence per school and "practice" magic from that school, gaining powers as you practice. I would prefer still to be able to write things down and read books, but only secrets can be written down, and I don't want all wizardly magic to depend on secrets. It's possible I believe to use a secret from a sphere that I don't otherwise have a use for to become the "mundane" schools, and use CDIs in play to artificially invoke them without need for a deity actually providing them, and after that to write them down in a book so other dwarves can read it, gain the "practice magic" CDI, then begin gaining the actual powers after using the practice power enough.
Post by: Teneb on November 28, 2020, 10:26:45 pm
Post by: Asin on November 28, 2020, 10:29:10 pm
About to start a new mod, which in the "proud" Teneb tradition is a conversion of a pre-existing universe. Main difference here is that there's already another mod that does that (and does it well!), but 1) I want to do it; and 2) the extant mod approaches it from a different way than what I want to do. Which, y'know, is fine... just don't want to look like I'm making a competing mod because I've seen communities in other games take a bad turn cuz of that.
What's the universe you're converting DF to, if you don't mind me asking?
Post by: Teneb on November 28, 2020, 10:44:58 pm
Right, got so focused on justifying that I forgot. 'Tis Star Wars.About to start a new mod, which in the "proud" Teneb tradition is a conversion of a pre-existing universe. Main difference here is that there's already another mod that does that (and does it well!), but 1) I want to do it; and 2) the extant mod approaches it from a different way than what I want to do. Which, y'know, is fine... just don't want to look like I'm making a competing mod because I've seen communities in other games take a bad turn cuz of that.
What's the universe you're converting DF to, if you don't mind me asking?
Feel kinda bad because Jawa Fortress is a really good mod, but I really want to do this. so...
Post by: Asin on November 29, 2020, 04:47:51 pm
Right, got so focused on justifying that I forgot. 'Tis Star Wars.......
Feel kinda bad because Jawa Fortress is a really good mod, but I really want to do this. So...
How will you make this mod different from Jawa Fortress? Have it take place in a different era or something?
Post by: Enemy post on November 30, 2020, 02:28:56 pm
Post by: peasant cretin on November 30, 2020, 07:36:46 pm
Rorschach inkblot take aside (you see what you wanna see), removing dermatalogical (dry/oily hair)/dental issues and some end ranges for facial features results in less One Piece noble/Eldritch-abomination descriptions. A glut of detail produces a Gulliver in Brobdingnag effect.
For example, I made a Revolutionary Girl Utena type shoujo-pretty character:
(https://i.imgur.com/jLqquu5.png)
Or it could be seen as such.
Also realized besides degree value (extremely/very vs. slightly/somewhat) and APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE, the order in which an entry appears governs it's placement in unit description.
The above example had a APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000 for hair, and a 50 for degree (short).
Code: [Select]
TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:50:50:100:100:150:200Didn't muck about with entry placement here.With the exception of dialed-in individualized creature text files, you still kinda have to sit on description rolls unless you want an everyone's become a clone effect in world gen.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 01, 2020, 08:18:01 pm
Post by: Enemy post on December 01, 2020, 08:48:47 pm
I have been gone for awhile, but I should probably update some of my mods. Hopefully too many tags haven't changed since v44.12.
Oh hey, welcome back Brolol! Good to see you modding again.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 01, 2020, 08:50:32 pm
Oh hey, welcome back Brolol! Good to see you modding again.
Thanks! It has been a crazy year.
I am sure I have a lot to catch up on.
Post by: ChaosPotato on December 01, 2020, 09:38:11 pm
Working on cleaned up appearances (dorf/hum/elf) mod for creature_standard.txt. Currently for default vanilla we have a jigsaw puzzle dump onto a table sort of affair.g i v e
Rorschach inkblot take aside (you see what you wanna see), removing dermatalogical (dry/oily hair)/dental issues and some end ranges for facial features results in less One Piece noble/Eldritch-abomination descriptions. A glut of detail produces a Gulliver in Brobdingnag effect.
For example, I made a Revolutionary Girl Utena type shoujo-pretty character:
(https://i.imgur.com/jLqquu5.png)
Or it could be seen as such.
Also realized besides degree value (extremely/very vs. slightly/somewhat) and APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE, the order in which an entry appears governs it's placement in unit description.
The above example had a APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:1000 for hair, and a 50 for degree (short).Code: [Select]TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:50:50:100:100:150:200Didn't muck about with entry placement here.
With the exception of dialed-in individualized creature text files, you still kinda have to sit on description rolls unless you want an everyone's become a clone effect in world gen.
Post by: Teneb on December 02, 2020, 01:41:12 pm
Hey, any way I can help out?No need, though I will take inspiration from a few things in your mod.
Post by: Enemy post on December 02, 2020, 02:10:44 pm
Hey, any way I can help out?No need, though I will take inspiration from a few things in your mod.
I’ll look forward to seeing what you make, then.
Post by: nockermensch on December 17, 2020, 02:33:32 pm
Post by: brolol.404 on December 19, 2020, 02:40:16 pm
Is it possible to use creature_variation to make the creature raws a bit more compact? I've been going through creature_standard.txt and a lot of tags between the races are just repeated verbatim. Have anyone tried defining a "basic humanoid" creature variation with all the tags the races in common to make raw editing more manageable/readable?
This is possible for some tags (look at my dog breeds mod for an example).
There are some tags that I don't think work in a creature variation though. I don't think you can use a lot of the body, material, tissue or color tags for example.
Post by: Vorox on December 20, 2020, 03:01:50 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: King Zultan on December 20, 2020, 03:51:53 am
Post by: Rumrusher on December 21, 2020, 06:51:20 am
like wise the other method I had in mind was to convert the army that about to invade before they start their invasion which would require timing and knowing when a siege was going to strike.
though what I had in mind with this process was less slavery and more 'recruiting soldiers that attacked the fort to change their ways.'
like I already found a way to recruit the leaders I figure why not find a way to recruit the army and militia as well.
though if this does get found this probably sets more up ways to play dwarf fortress pacifist style.
Post by: Teneb on January 02, 2021, 09:11:19 am
Post by: ZM5 on January 12, 2021, 07:33:13 am
Post by: Klisz on January 21, 2021, 10:48:55 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/154795564582567936/802014811718156288/unknown.png)
Zombie fish > angel
Post by: da_nang on January 22, 2021, 06:15:52 am
It now has wings, with wingarms (+bones) and wingmembranes. With a body size of 15 m3, it's 40% smaller than the vanilla dragon, for RP and balance reasons.
It's an exotic pet, with hatchling and drake stages for the first 15 years, and it can speak. I left out INTELLIGENT and CAN_LEARN though, since vanilla dwarves won't butcher and eat creatures with those tags. Downside of using PET_EXOTIC, though, is that while you can talk to one in adventure mode, you won't hear any combat dialogue in the Fortress reports log.
At least the scales can used as leather, though I'm considering adding a reaction in the leather workshop to "assemble" a scale hide or something for balancing purposes, since the dragon seems to be dropping dozens of scales.
I've also added a bunch of descriptions and colors. I've tried to keep claws and horns to be of the same colors but it appears that doing so means they'll be both referred to the same TLCM_NOUN. So instead they'll be separate. Shame.
I've also given it additional attacks. Now instead of just biting and clawing, you can also punch with the front paws, kick with the rear paws, stab with the horns, bash with the head, slam with the lower body (I'm thinking hips), body slam with the upper body, as well as whip with the neck and tail.
I had a lot of fun flinging smaller creatures with the tail and crushing heads with body slams in the Arena.
And of course the best part: nuzzling.
Post by: Teneb on January 23, 2021, 02:14:43 pm
Post by: brewer bob on January 26, 2021, 11:18:53 am
Currently waiting for a world to gen and see what kind of problems there's in entity positions this time.
edit: Totally forgot that I also modded in an owlbear today, just because why not. Haven't tested it yet, except briefly in the arena though.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 26, 2021, 10:39:35 pm
Post by: Kyubee on January 27, 2021, 12:11:53 pm
Post by: brewer bob on January 28, 2021, 01:09:58 pm
Going through legends, I found a random dwarf who lived a normal life in a human town, until he accumulated a lot of gambling debts, broke up with his wife and ended up profaning a temple. The deity cursed him to assume the form of a seagull for the rest of eternity (I added NO_AGING, CAN_LEARN and CAN_SPEAK to the transformed creatures).
Apparently he remained at his home town as after 40 years people became suspicious of the seagull that didn't seem to age (no problem with the speaking part, I assume). He fled to another town and became the enemy of several groups, tore the eyelid off a human, stole some purple yam and rat weed until 10 or so years later a human confronted him and shot him dead.
Another dwarf was cursed to be a cat who then went on to join dozens upon dozens foot races and was the victor of them all. He too was eventually forced to flee after arousing suspicion, and so on, until being struck down ~100 years later after devouring multiple bunnies and cavy boars (and ripping off a toe of a human and forcing her to flee).
Post by: Splint on January 28, 2021, 05:42:33 pm
I've never had to fix such an issue before, and I hate it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 28, 2021, 08:48:35 pm
General summary, I started off deciding that I might as well revive the idea of crude gunpowder weapons I tinkered with for an unreleased mode, adding full support for producing it in fortress mode too.
Next came a host of misc fixes, along with the realization that the backgrounds you can select not only have a practical use (free skills whooo) but what permitted jobs the entity has affect what backgrounds can be picked. So I added a bunch more after testing which ones actually have a use. At the same time I did some rebalancing for magic availability, letting curses dole out the nastier varieties with some side effects, changing which spells are given by which beasts, and a few related tweaks. Also notable was fixing it so trolls, beak dogs, and the like can be more readily picked up as pets by the goblins in worldgen, which is fun given the pet options adventurers have now.
The next update was dominated by a silly thought that came to mind: could I rig it so that human and other civilized NPCs will treat kobold adventurers as hostile as you'd expect them to, given how kobold NPCs would consistently behave towards human or other non-cave-dwelling adventurers? Rumrusher proved to be a MASSIVE help with this, but sadly every method we discovered to try this came with downsides of some sort. So the third notable update as of late came with a change that made kobolds and their pets semi-undead to exploit some hostility behavior, but this was soon removed since I discovered later than it prevents retiring. I went with the idea of making special variant pets for kobolds so that they'd not only behave properly towards their masters, but also so they wouldn't be slaughtered by the traps infesting kobold caves. Even after undoing the hostility feature, I retained that simply so it still makes their pets TRAPAVOID.
Then finally, today's update put a lot of focus on tissue and butchery stuff (plus the second half of my efforts to tinker with kobolds). A fair few tiny critters got size buffs until they were juuust large enough to be butcherable, with obligatory fixes to their giant variants. But on top of that, came sinew and feather stuff. I finally decided to make sinew a proper tissue that can be obtained from butchery, and set it to be used for the catgut thread recipe instead of guts, allowing guts to count as meat again. And as for feathers, lot of tweaks went into ensuring all birds you can butcher will give feathers, whereas in vanilla nothing smaller than an ostrich can do so. For now it's only useful in a decoration reaction since there's not much to do with them, as I'm not sure yet whether I'd want to make arrows and bolts require explicit fletching or not. That might be too much detail for my taste.
Summary of last major changelogs since I resumed tinkering with it:
Spoiler: Update 1.95 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Update 1.96 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Update 1.97 (click to show/hide)
And current update I just now finished, updating 1.98:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on January 29, 2021, 03:55:42 am
The slow and horrible process of determining what the hell is breaking embarks with one particular files for my mod. Nearest that has been determined so far is that it's definitely the cave plant file, and probably the trees.
I've never had to fix such an issue before, and I hate it.
A long time ago I had an issue with plants that produced animal milk and cheese. Do you have any made of materials with animal tokens or maybe inorganics?
Post by: Splint on January 29, 2021, 04:25:32 am
The slow and horrible process of determining what the hell is breaking embarks with one particular files for my mod. Nearest that has been determined so far is that it's definitely the cave plant file, and probably the trees.
I've never had to fix such an issue before, and I hate it.
A long time ago I had an issue with plants that produced animal milk and cheese. Do you have any made of materials with animal tokens or maybe inorganics?
It was an issue with one of the mushroom trees I added. Something to do with the cap being too big or something.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2021, 11:03:13 am
I might even add it to fortress mode too, but I'd need to see if items made out of feathers will stockpile or not...
Post by: Toxicshadow on January 31, 2021, 01:18:46 pm
Post by: brewer bob on February 02, 2021, 02:06:48 pm
Guess I'm still in the early stages of learning stuff, but I'll save this unintentional effect just in case I later want to do something similar.
Post by: SQman on February 03, 2021, 02:56:41 am
The small mod will add a hostile civilization composed of humanoid apes:
Chimpanzees - dwarf-sized apes with high strength and intelligence, learning every skill at 150%. They are the leaders of apekind known for their violent and cruel nature.
Gorillas- larger than humans, and stronger than chimpanzees; those brutes are a proud warrior caste of the apes. They learn basic combat skills and intimidation at 150%. Males are slightly larger than females.
Orangutans - human-sized apes with philosophical minds. They have chimp-like strength, slightly lower intelligence, and higher mental attributes. They learn scholar skills and doctoring at 150%.
Bonobos - slightly smaller than dwarves and weaker than chimpanzees, those apes generally dislike conflict. They are creative and dexterous, which makes them natural at craftsapeship which they learn faster than most. They also thrive in social situations and, being what they are, are extremely lustful.
Gibbons - small apes that aren't much different physically than their animalistic ancestors. They are playful creatures that excel as entertainers and artists. They are fast and agile, though their small size and relatively low strength make them lousy haulers. Lastly, they are rather carefree, not easily broken by the grim reality of ape-dwarf wars.
I have the creature nearly finished, juust hair and skin colors left.
Post by: Porpoisepower on February 05, 2021, 08:23:26 pm
Then starting a fortress in a haunted biome (or by a necro. tower).
(EVIL LAUGH)
Post by: Toxicshadow on February 05, 2021, 09:01:14 pm
I'm thinking of making Gelding result in parts.ahahaha do it :P
Then starting a fortress in a haunted biome (or by a necro. tower).
(EVIL LAUGH)
Post by: TomiTapio on February 07, 2021, 09:16:47 am
I'm thinking of making Gelding result in parts.Feel free to use the genitals and breasts from older OldGenesis versions to add "reaalism" to your worlds :-X :-[
Then starting a fortress in a haunted biome (or by a necro. tower).
I don't think the gelding feature can be modified, but butchering gives the organs like lungs and hearts.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 07, 2021, 09:00:31 pm
Post by: Toxicshadow on February 08, 2021, 04:29:57 pm
speaking of, OldGenesis has become a bit of an inspiration for me. I keep finding myself going, "hmm how can I implement this correctly?" and referring to all the notes and goodies in OldGenesis. Most recent example is creature behaviors through the SOUND token. I'd just been keeping the thought in the back of my mind, and I'd wanted to know what yours and Deon's take was on the mannerisms tokens, and I noticed in the civilized creature file you'd done exactly what I'd been thinking with the SOUND token! Good stuff and it's all much appreciated!I'm thinking of making Gelding result in parts.Feel free to use the genitals and breasts from older OldGenesis versions to add "reaalism" to your worlds :-X :-[
Then starting a fortress in a haunted biome (or by a necro. tower).
I don't think the gelding feature can be modified, but butchering gives the organs like lungs and hearts.
Post by: TomiTapio on February 09, 2021, 08:36:10 am
What does the Fox say
[SOUND:ALERT:22:2000:VOCALIZATION:bark:barks:a bark]
[SOUND:PEACEFUL_INTERMITTENT:33:40000:VOCALIZATION:barkbark:barkbarks:a four-bark call]
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tip: adventure mode is better when SOUND messages alert you to busy town / bandit camp.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Strik3r on February 09, 2021, 08:55:20 am
What does the Fox say
[SOUND:ALERT:22:2000:VOCALIZATION:bark:barks:a bark]
[SOUND:PEACEFUL_INTERMITTENT:33:40000:VOCALIZATION:barkbark:barkbarks:a four-bark call]
SaveAFox YouTube channel, where one can hear plenty of fox vocalization. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb3KY97ICfIkDJY_p6d7yig)
Sorry, just being nitpicky :P.
Post by: ZM5 on February 09, 2021, 04:08:34 pm
(https://puu.sh/HfdhD/aeb51901ea.png)
I'm so done.
(https://puu.sh/HfdiC/72c4be0a1e.png)
It went for a double too, because once wasn't good enough.
Post by: delphonso on February 10, 2021, 10:58:21 am
Post by: Rumrusher on February 18, 2021, 05:37:48 am
edit: ok so I can confirm from getting an ettin through the same process that it's possible to get them to be friendly by getting lucky on noble position placement and the creature becoming a military commander after giving them expedition leader role.
so now I realize the Expedition leader mod I made makes this process a lot easier to pull off.
though this also means any modded creature that can talk is open to manual migration.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 24, 2021, 05:55:23 pm
I've been having trouble with not being able to grow a particular plant that was important for alchemy. Replaced the current plant definition with one from a previous version and suddenly you can plant it again. No ideas, must have deleted a tag somewhere... I'm not experiencing as many worldgen crashes now after various other work, but something is still crashing, very rarely, which is a pain in the ass
Post by: Sternenklaren Ritter on March 03, 2021, 09:04:54 am
Post by: Rumrusher on March 03, 2021, 11:05:03 am
Did you just add a [SQUAD:10:soldier:soldiers] tag to expedition leaders or does it also need to take over for the militia_commander position's [RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_STRATEGY]?[SQUAD:20:Squadmate:SquadMates]
I've been having trouble with not being able to grow a particular plant that was important for alchemy. Replaced the current plant definition with one from a previous version and suddenly you can plant it again. No ideas, must have deleted a tag somewhere... I'm not experiencing as many worldgen crashes now after various other work, but something is still crashing, very rarely, which is a pain in the ass
so far just added this to the position nothing really else. it does lead to a bit where I need to switch the expedition leader position to someone else so that the expedition leader can return back from their trip or else they just stand on the edge of the map.
Post by: Asin on March 04, 2021, 03:45:49 pm
Post by: Enemy post on March 04, 2021, 04:18:35 pm
I'm in the planning phase of trying to make an insect mod/small world mod yet again, because the idea of feudal bug stuff interests me. I am still figuring out a playable race and how I'd make the world work exactly, such as how to do grass and such. As for the setting itself, part of me is feeling a more fantastical approach, but I feel that'd be a lot like Hollow Knight, and I want some other sort of vibe to it.
You might like to look at Brolol's abandoned bug mod. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=175028.0) He did most of the environment modding already, and his posts about the frustrations that seemingly got him to eventually drop it could help avoid problems.
Post by: Asin on March 05, 2021, 10:32:41 pm
I'm in the planning phase of trying to make an insect mod/small world mod yet again, because the idea of feudal bug stuff interests me. I am still figuring out a playable race and how I'd make the world work exactly, such as how to do grass and such. As for the setting itself, part of me is feeling a more fantastical approach, but I feel that'd be a lot like Hollow Knight, and I want some other sort of vibe to it.
You might like to look at Brolol's abandoned bug mod. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=175028.0) He did most of the environment modding already, and his posts about the frustrations that seemingly got him to eventually drop it could help avoid problems.
Thank you!
Post by: Enemy post on March 05, 2021, 11:04:54 pm
I'm in the planning phase of trying to make an insect mod/small world mod yet again, because the idea of feudal bug stuff interests me. I am still figuring out a playable race and how I'd make the world work exactly, such as how to do grass and such. As for the setting itself, part of me is feeling a more fantastical approach, but I feel that'd be a lot like Hollow Knight, and I want some other sort of vibe to it.
You might like to look at Brolol's abandoned bug mod. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=175028.0) He did most of the environment modding already, and his posts about the frustrations that seemingly got him to eventually drop it could help avoid problems.
Thank you!
You're welcome! I've always wanted to see a completed bug mod.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 06, 2021, 08:22:30 pm
Not actually needed as he's showing up as a night creature anyhow... ::)
Post by: SQman on March 11, 2021, 02:24:54 am
Apes value the sense of community and order, honoring the ages-old rule of 'Ape Shall Never Kill Ape', however they are not above waging wars against humanoids and goblinoids, which they do constantly. Mechanics-wise, they are baby snatchers, because they keep humanoid slaves, and also item thieves, because I didn't want them to be allied to goblins.
Even a single ape thief may be dangerous due to most species being stronger than a human. Siegers and ambushers may come with most vanilla weapons with the exception of bows, and may come with common domestic mounts. Having been the inheritors of human culture, apes have no knowledge of steel working.
While apes claim that every ape is equal, more peaceful species (bonobo, orangutans and gibbons) are barred from high military positions, and gibbons, as the least intelligent of apes, can't assume any position of leadership.
I'll upload the mod later today.
Post by: Enemy post on March 14, 2021, 01:46:01 am
Post by: SQman on March 14, 2021, 05:03:13 pm
Now it's up.
Post by: Enemy post on March 14, 2021, 05:30:07 pm
I had to make a few little changes, then I simply forgot to upload it. It do be like that sometimes.
Now it's up.
I get that, I've still got a Civ 3 mod I haven't got around to uploading.
Looks like a good mod!
Post by: Locksoli on March 14, 2021, 09:36:30 pm
So far, I've managed to add a syndrome to Adamantine proper that will enter blood when it pierces the skin (I think), which means that either using strands in a hospital or wearing Adamantine earrings should induce the syndrome. It would also mean that anything hit by a weapon made from Adamantine might infect something with the syndrome, so I might just remove the injected part maybe.
The other thing I managed to do was create a secondary stone that, functionally, looks like Adamantine (same color, same tile on tileset, ect.), but turns to gas/dust once it hits air because it has a lower boiling point. I then added this material as a byproduct to smelting adamantine wafers in reactions, so any dwarves on furnace duty become mutated.
Just recently, I added a plant that carries the syndrome, and made it so that it only shows up in savage mountains. That way I'd have access to it, since I like embarking on swamps that border savage mountains, and so that other races won't have access to it under normal circumstances.
So far, everything seems to have worked in the arena, but I'm still in the process of testing it in game.
Post by: SQman on March 15, 2021, 02:19:14 am
Fortress of the Apes: Ancient Expansion - a civilization of extinct apes such as Gigantopithecus and Proconsul. It would synergize with mods that use the EXTINCT creature class, such as Primal or my in-development Dino Hybrids. A giant orangutan riding a mammoth into battle would be a terrifying sight to behold. I'd probably limit their metal-smelting capabilities.
Misc civs, or just misc creatures- basically a bunch of unrelated stuff. So far I've got:
-Kagusagi - a race of rabbit-eared people from the moon. They have a rare caste - kagusagi hime - with some extreme attribute actions and natural skills, as well as the ability to spawn gold nuggets once in a season or so.
-Wukong - a species of intelligent monkeys. One in ten thousand or so is a monkey king, fluff-wise a monkey reincarnated as a demi-god through chi cultivation. Return to monki, progress to godhood.
Post by: TomiTapio on March 15, 2021, 01:39:40 pm
I'm trying to make Dwarven Wakanda by adding a syndrome to Adamantine that increases the physical attributes of dwarves, basically making them mutants.As far as I know, a solid item cannot give a syndrome. We'd have "rare altar sacrifice gave speed boost sword". Also, earrings do not "pierce the skin".
So far, I've managed to add a syndrome to Adamantine proper that will enter blood when it pierces the skin (I think), which means that either using strands in a hospital or wearing Adamantine earrings should induce the syndrome. It would also mean that anything hit by a weapon made from Adamantine might infect something with the syndrome, so I might just remove the injected part maybe.
I reckon best option would be a workshop reaction that consumes Adamantine threads(or rings or earrings or crowns) and gives a puff of permanent-boost-syndrome gas.
Or maybe I recall wrong and SYN_CONTACT explains it: https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome#SYN_CONTACT
Post by: voliol on March 15, 2021, 01:53:31 pm
Post by: Enemy post on March 15, 2021, 02:09:12 pm
Lots of cleaning up teh LOLmod (well, adding the ”_TLM” suffix to most of the objects) and fixing bugs along the way, such as cars missing half of their wheels.
The cars were missing wheels? Sorry about that, how did that happen?
Post by: voliol on March 15, 2021, 03:41:47 pm
Don’t apologize, it’s in the past now... or at least will be soonish. :)
Post by: Enemy post on March 15, 2021, 03:44:22 pm
*The two affected cars have been fixed.
Post by: Locksoli on March 15, 2021, 10:36:10 pm
I'm trying to make Dwarven Wakanda by adding a syndrome to Adamantine that increases the physical attributes of dwarves, basically making them mutants.As far as I know, a solid item cannot give a syndrome. We'd have "rare altar sacrifice gave speed boost sword". Also, earrings do not "pierce the skin".
So far, I've managed to add a syndrome to Adamantine proper that will enter blood when it pierces the skin (I think), which means that either using strands in a hospital or wearing Adamantine earrings should induce the syndrome. It would also mean that anything hit by a weapon made from Adamantine might infect something with the syndrome, so I might just remove the injected part maybe.
I reckon best option would be a workshop reaction that consumes Adamantine threads(or rings or earrings or crowns) and gives a puff of permanent-boost-syndrome gas.
Or maybe I recall wrong and SYN_CONTACT explains it: https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome#SYN_CONTACT
I did manage to make it so that making Adamantine wafers makes a special gas that confers the syndrome to anybody who breathes it in, and hopefully affects grass so any grazers are affected as well when they eat (mutated war mammoth anybody?). The other part is that I made it so that Adamantine strands, when "accidentally" used for a hospital, can confer the syndrome since I've added the proper tags to make SYN_INJECTED work.
For the most part, the only reference I'd leave in for the MCU is the plant, since it's more of a "make Adamantine more mystical" kinda mod. Adamantine on it's own is just a really rare, really light metal that makes for really good weapons and armor, and it plugs up the circus.
Post by: SQman on March 16, 2021, 03:59:13 am
The hime caste can spawn gold nuggets once a season as a divine allowance kinda deal, and instill false hope in allies, making them fearless.
Next are japanese-themed weapons and clothing. I've already
Edit:
Yo, garden gnomes!
Post by: Enemy post on April 14, 2021, 05:02:07 pm
Man, it's been a long time since I modded much. I think the announcement of the graphical release sort of spoiled the fun for me, since users will expect tilesets for everything now. Still, I'll try and get at least Primal prepared for the release on time.
Maybe I'll start making new content again someday, after I'm finally caught up on all these tiles. I've always wanted to do Minecraft and Spongebob total conversions.
Post by: SQman on April 14, 2021, 05:38:10 pm
Swords:
-Katana - comparable to longsword, lower penetration and contact area, greater velocity. Two handed for dwarves.
-Wakizashi - comparable to shortsword, low penetration and contact area, very fast.
-Zanbato - comparable to two-handed sword, larger contact area, lower penetration, slightly faster.
Hammers:
-Otsuchi - a large war mallet, between war hammer and maul in contact area. Two-handed even for humans, but dwarves should be able to use it.
Maces:
-Kanabo - a huge knobbed mace, unusable by dwarves. Great for pulping. Favored by oni.
-Jitte - a nightstick of a sort, not great as an offensive weapon if I gotta be honest.
-Chigiriki - a type of flail with smaller area and slightly higher velocity. Dwarves can only use it two-handed.
Axes:
-Ono - a battle axe with a slightly greater contact area.
Spears:
-Yari - a larger spear, cuts deeper, but can't be used by kobolds.
-Bo - a staff for striking and jabbing. Truth be told, I have no idea how this will work out; testing in order. Two-handed for both dwarves and humans.
-Shakujo - a staff with metal rings on one end, not really designed for fighting. Larger contact area nad lower velocity than the bo, but can be used one-handed even by most dwarves. Favored by tengu.
Pikes and polearms:
-Naginata - comparable to halberd, larger contact area, but doesn't cut quite as deep. No stab attack.
-Nagae-yari - just renamed pike, because that's what it is.
Whips:
-Kusarigama - a sickle on a chain. Slash attack has high velocity, which combined with other stats should make it very deadly. Also has a chain attack.
Knives (Kagusagi are neither thieves or snatchers, so there's little chance of seeing these unless I make some other japanese-themed civ):
-Tanto - comparable to large dagger but superior.
-Kama - a sickle. Better at severing extremities than daggers.
-Bladed fan - a functional and deadly fan of gunsen variety. Cuts wide but not deep.
Bows:
-Yumi - a longbow, larger and stronger than vanilla bow, fires regular arrows. Can't be used one-handed by any of the civilized races.
Crossbows and firearms:
-Oyumi - a larger and stronger crossbow. Fires regular bolts. Can't be used one-handed by any of the civilized races.
-Tanegashima - a matchlock arquebus, fires bullets with great power and velocity. Two-handed for humans and kagusagi, but an oni or a troll holding two rifles would be a sight to behold.
-Tanegashima pistol - a matchlock pistol, weaker than its two-handed equivalent, but one-handed for everything larger than a kobold.
Blowguns and throwing weapons:
-Fukiya - a slightly longer blowgun, so long that a kobold would have to hold it in both hands. Whacking attack has slightly greater velocity due to added weight.
-Shuriken - the ninja star we all know and love. Fires shurikens. Can be used for slashing and stabbing, but a dagger is better for the job.
-Kunai - a trowel turned weapon. Fires kunai. Pretty good for stabbing.
At first I thought I'd just steal the weapons from other people's mods, but I ended up making substantial alterations and adding my own weapons.
Post by: catnapcat on April 15, 2021, 11:42:42 am
Post by: SQman on April 16, 2021, 04:05:53 am
-bound oni, which I was never really satisfied with, are now lunar oni. They come in two flavors: black and white, as opposed to the usual red and blue. The two kinds differ in personality and some mental attributes.
-shisa couldn't use its smiting interaction against vanilla evil creatures without changing the raws. It never occured to me that I could just specify creatures the interaction works on rather than relying on creature classes.
Some pets I made for halflings, namely pot-bellied bigs and giant angora rabbits also went to kagusagi, and some vanilla animals will follow (cats, water buffaloes, chickens, peafowls, rabbits, horses).
Post by: brewer bob on April 18, 2021, 02:33:01 am
And now that the mutants function properly, I'm unsure if I want to use them at all. Oh well, guess I'll put them back on the shelf then.
Post by: SQman on April 20, 2021, 06:53:27 am
Post by: brewer bob on April 21, 2021, 08:44:41 am
And now that the mutants function properly, I'm unsure if I want to use them at all. Oh well, guess I'll put them back on the shelf then.Decided to try them out after all and made mutant versions of humans and goblins while at it.
At least in world gen they function the way intended and occasionally flee to the wilds or get hunted down (though, there's the occasional deity that takes the form of a mutant caste dwarf and gets "killed", which I guess can't be avoided with the bloodsucker tag). The mutants are quite rare and in fort mode the bloodsucker tag is removed via a secretion syndrome so they don't end up behaving like vampires there (but to compensate that, they cause uneasiness to non-mutants around them).
Currently genning a new world with 450 years of history to do a longer test run to see how things pan out.
Post by: crupette on April 21, 2021, 06:14:15 pm
On a less fun note, did you know that most animals in dwarf fortress don't have eyelids or cheeks? I discovered this while trying to give dogs jowls
Post by: SQman on April 24, 2021, 06:55:51 am
-Fire rat - a rodent smaller than a large rat, but much larger than a regular rat. It lives in magma, but is easily lured with food. Its red pelt is highly valuable.
-Jeweled loong - an intelligent dragon with shimmering emerald scales. 5M in size, it is much smaller than its vanilla cousin, and lacks the ability to breathe fire. Instead it breathes clouds of jade dust that causes blood cough when inhales. It's a semimegabeast that dwells in shrines, and so.etimes in lairs. When killed, it retreats into the jade orb on its neck, creating a masterwork large dragon jade
Some new creatures:
-Cowry swallow - a bird mostly encased in a spotted, porcelain-shaped shell. It nests on seaside cliffs of savage areas. They can be butchered like knucke worms, which will hopefully result in usable shells. There is also a giant variant.
-Maned saurofowl - a large bird with a pair of short arms instead of wings. It's content peacefully foraging for small animals, fruit and tubers, but it will defend itself if provoked. Can be used as a mount. Inspired mostly by Planescape's abrians.
Post by: SQman on April 28, 2021, 03:11:54 am
So far I've been working on guars:
-Guar - a bipedal reptile commonly used as a mount and pack animal. Comes in many colors from Albino White to Akaviri Potentate Black, with various other in between. Wild ones, while not actively predatory, should fight back when threatened.
-Tiger guar - a rare species from savage areas. It is aggressive and predatory, also larger than common guars. Can be trained, if one can get their hands on one of those elusive beasts.
-Circus guar - Bal Foyen circus guar differs from common guars exclusively in coloration. As a breed created through selective breeding, it des not appear in the wild. I may restrict it to Argonians.
-Skyfire guar - a vibrantly colored wild guar from tropical wetlands. It is slightly smaller than common guars, and prefers to run away rather than fighting.
-Frostbane guar - native to southern Skyrim, this furry guar is magically warded from cold. It can be encountered in temperate forests and taigas. I may make it a pet to nords and atmorans.
-Valorous guar - a spirit of a brave guar that returned from Sovngarde in flesh. It is fearless and fights fiercely like a tiger guar, although it won't go out of its way to harm others. It is also immune to curses, necromantic magic, and the effects of cold. Appears in good mountain.
-Pony guar - a small breed of guar bred for companionship. It is useful for vermin control, but due to its size, it can't carry goods. Doesn't appear in the wilds. I may restrict it to Dunmer and Chimer.
-Alit - a voracious cousin of guars, eating anything that can fit in its huge, toad-like, toooth-filled maw, and that includes unwary travellers.
-Kagouti - a huge reptile with tusks, horns, and a frill. It is an extremely dangerous predator that hunts alone or in small packs in a variett of environments. Hunting kagouti for their horns and ivory should be done by skilled warriors.
This is by no means a complete list of guars, as I haven't made construct, flora, and atronach forms, or wormmouths and guar-lizards.
I sorta have an idea what to do with kwama: foragers and workers are genderless, underdeveloped forms; workers can be milked for scrib jelly, that is a partially digested fungus rather than crushed scribs, and can be made into scuttle by cheesemakers. Kwama warriors are fully-formed males, while queens are breeding females. Babies of all castes are called scribs, although they will have the body plans of adults, as DF doesn't support metamorphosis.
Post by: vettlingr on April 29, 2021, 02:19:41 pm
Post by: Splint on April 29, 2021, 03:15:16 pm
So far so good on a lot of stuff, I've finished the monoliths (shard trees,) shard bed and chipgrass, melee weapons, and partially finished one factions' creature, which I should be done with shortly.
Biggest issue I'll have is shard monoliths and grasses showing up where I'd rather they not in good biomes.
Post by: SQman on April 30, 2021, 01:25:20 am
-Deadlands guar - a guar that escaped Mehrunes Dagon's plane of Oblivion, but not before being changed into a new form. It is an evil creature with violent tendencies, perfect mount for goblins.
-Glowgill guar - an unusual species of guar capable of breathing underwater. It can be encountered in all bodies of water in tropical regions. Pet of the Maormer.
-Hist guar - a rare species that lives only in savage swamps. It has been changed by hist trees for unknown purposes, which replaced its blood with luminescent hist sap. The sap causes dizziness and slowdown in every creature that touches it, but also increases recuperation, effects inspired by Sleeping Tree sap from Skyrim.
Next will be the nocturnal shadowghost guar, spooky Hollowjack rider guar, and the bizarre guar-lizard, and the fungal gloomspore guar. I'd like to conclude guars already and move to, let's say, trolls, but alas.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2021, 09:39:25 pm
Post by: SQman on May 01, 2021, 03:45:19 am
Post by: ZM5 on May 02, 2021, 10:28:34 am
I may (https://puu.sh/HDkmI/8a3fd57902.png) have overdid their power a bit, they feel like .50cals whenever they hit anything (https://puu.sh/HDkok/311b74d4d1.png), despite being smaller than bolts or arrows.
Post by: Enemy post on May 04, 2021, 11:54:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Although, come to think of it, that last one isn't actually a dinosaur.
Post by: SQman on May 05, 2021, 11:33:06 am
-Detritus guar - actually Hollowjack Rider guar, this creature is a minor daedra taking a familiar shape of a guar to serve Hollowjack's headless horsemen as a mount in swampy and heavily wooded areas. It is an evil creature, but it's not much different in behavior from a mundane guar.
-Guar-lizard - an iguana twisted into a guar-like form by Hist trees to serve as mounts to the Argonians. Argonians already raise guars that fare well on marshy terrain, so what's the point of guar-lizards? Nobody knows. The lizards aren't grazers, and lay more eggs than guars.
-Wormmouth - a creature smaller than a guar, but larger than a pony guar. It has a beaked mouth that it uses to tear into the flesh of its prey. It can be encountered in mountains and deserts.
-Clawrunner - also known as the fanged gouti, this horned monster is only a little smaller than a true kagouti. Instead of individual teeth, it possesses fused plates akin to those of a turtle, but more massive. They inhabit mountains.
Post by: TomiTapio on May 09, 2021, 08:06:11 am
still trying to get right stress balance (blood spatter[dwarf,person,animal blood are different] angst,
four alcohol types happy, STRESS_VULN parameter).
Want 15% population quite stressed after we lose 10 citizens to enemy invasion. Don't want 45% of pop stressed.
[PERSONALITY:STRESS_VULNERABILITY:10:78:100] adjusted 2020-04, increased 2021-02 for 47.05, increased more, reduced twice 2021-05
Post by: Enemy post on May 10, 2021, 03:38:10 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on May 14, 2021, 02:49:35 pm
this also leads to learning that merfolks wear boots on their tails and stand and walk around on them.
Post by: SQman on May 19, 2021, 04:33:13 am
Saurofowl - birds with long necks, and arms instead of wings:
-Maned saurofowl - most basic species, larger than an ostrich. Elves may use them as mounts. Grazers found in grasslands and desert. The mane is just a part of description
-Woolly saurofowl - an arctic species covered with a thick layer of down. Smaller than the maned variety, but still a mount candidate. Its feathers can be sheared for soft grey cloth. Grazer.
-Vulturine saurofowl - a small species slightly larger than a turkey. Catches vermin and lays a respectable amount of eggs. Can be wncountered in teopical shrublands and savannas.
Flederhounds - giant flightless bats, mostly slow ambush predators:
-Brown flederhound - the most basic species, found in temperate forests. Lives alone or small groups. Trainable.
-Black flederhound - similar to its brown cousin, but larger, and found in temperate wetlands.
-White flederhound - a tropical variant. Unlike its cousins, it is fast and agile, hunting in packs. It is smaller than brown variant, but arguaby a better hunting companion because it's far less sluggish.
-Vampire flederhound - the smallest species, encountered in tropical forests and shrublands. I think? Frankly, I don't remember. Drains large amounts of blood.
Hyperborean megafauna - gigantic arctig beasts, that's all:
-Balmung - a stout, rhino-like beast with woolly coat. It's horn is sword-shaped and razor sharp. Peaceful unless disturbed. Can be tamed for its wool, and as a war beast.
-Boreox - a colossal bovine, larger than an elephant. It makes for horrible livestock due to the sheer amount of grass it requiresq. Herds of those animals can be seen in tundras and on glaciers. The most daring hunters can obtain not only massive piles of meat, but also wool.l
-Gacial mammoth - a snow-white mammoth with tusks made of ice. Lives in tundras and on glaciers. Shearable, but poor livestock due to its size and slow maturing.
- Scimithere - a massive saber-toothed cat. Lives in tundras and taigas. Nithing exceptionally interesting about this one. Good hunting partner and war animal, and also mount if any civilization manages to domesticate it.
Saberwarg - a large saber-toothed wolf; a deadly pack hunter that roams the cold regions of the world. Trainable and mount.
I've also came up with pseudoscientific names for my creatures; these will not appear in game, but intrepid raw crawlers will be able to see them.
Post by: Enemy post on May 28, 2021, 01:27:41 am
Post by: Fikilili on May 31, 2021, 06:08:35 am
- Recently made the primary race, so evil and power-hungry it might overcome the goblins
- Made their cattle aswell. Intelligent cattle, mind you, for extra evil points.
- Currently testing if DF has no problem with three-legged things.
I dare you to figure out what kinda mod I'm doing
Post by: Eric Blank on May 31, 2021, 02:01:55 pm
I've found the easiest way to do intelligent pets is to have one set of castes thats unintelligent and does the reproducing/being livestock and another set of less common castes that are intelligent and can become fort members.
I've also had a lot of luck with familiars in Spellcrafts, where they're all born unintelligent and thus not real fort members, but perform an on-self interaction granting them intelligence. They'll perform building construction tasks then, but you can't assign them labors. You can also order them butchered, and pasture them before they use their interaction, but their meat/skins can't be used.
Are you making a half life mod? Are the tripods hunters/striders?
Post by: SQman on June 01, 2021, 01:58:18 am
-Volsung - the last of the hyperborean beasts for now. A large carnivorous ape with a pair of antlers on its head, and four ice ispikes protruding from its back. Inspired by how grahls are portrayed in ES Legends.
-Samedine - a swamp nymph associated with death and curses. Mostly elven in appearance, with dark skin, and skull-shaped facial markings. When threatened, it can cause pain by stabbing itself with a spectral needle (mostly fluff). While fleeing, it exhales a cloud of tobacco smoke that briefly blinds the opponent. Can join civilizations.
-Capshell - a creature I made to get back to work on the Cavern Fauna mod. A six-legged lizard that uses a large mushroom cap as a shell. Small, but lays large clutches of eggs.
I've also moved the six-tailed fox from mammal file to fey file. Not that it makes any difference.
I think my miscellaneous mod will be ready for release after three or four more creatures. Maybe more, because I've got some stuff on my mind already.
Post by: Fikilili on June 01, 2021, 09:30:26 am
Are you making a half life mod? Are the tripods hunters/striders?
Close, a War of the Worlds mod. But I think I'm gonna drop it because, I dunno, the mod doesn't really give any kind of vibe to me.
Post by: SQman on June 05, 2021, 04:22:48 am
-Bonecracker - a scavenging monkey that roams deserts in search of any kind of food, including dry bones. Like other monkeys it steals food and items, but it should put up a fight instead of running away; fortunately it is solitary and only the size of a large macacque.
-Crag dog - a medium-sized canine, slightly smaller rhan an average wolf, with a layer of stone covering its head and upper body. Lives in small packs in mountains and rocky deserts.
-Winged buffalo - a flying bison from savage steppes. Not a very graceful flier.
-Flying monkey - a vile wingedape tht will steal your anvils, eat your food, drink your booze, and beat you up if you try to stop them. About the size of a bonobo. Appears in large swarms over savage broadleaf biome areas.
-as of now unnamed creature - a large hooved animal resembling a water buffalo except for its head that appears to be a perfect, featureless cube. It possesses psychic abilities: when attacking, it can cause intense pain; when fleeing, it lows down the pursuers telekinetically; when tamed, itshares positive feelings with its dwarven friends
-Tree wyvern - a medium-sized bipedal reptile with large wings. Non-aggressive creature that eats vermin. Found in temperate forests.
-Red-breasted wyvern - a small, vibrantly colored wyvern from tropical forests. Mostly identical to tree wyvern.
-Scaleless wyvern - a larger wyvern with acaleless hide and a long neck. It uses its jutting teeth to catch fish in rivers, lakes and swamps, but will defend itself if attacked. Good swimmer.
-Venomous wyvern - a large wyvern, larger than a human. It's a vicious predator with a tail stinger that injects the prey with necrotizing venom.
-Giant wyvern - twice the size of a venomous wyvern, this reptile terrorizes the skies over savage mountains. Not venomus, but can bite a dwarf's head off.
-Fire wyvern - a semimegabeast capable of breathing fire. About the size of a venomous wyvern, but my policy is that a common animal shouldn't breathe fire.
-Fairy wwyvern - a tiny tropical wyvern about the size of a pigeon. A vermin.
Once I finish those, I'll finally release the mod.
Post by: brewer bob on June 05, 2021, 04:25:20 pm
Once I finish those, I'll finally release the mod.
I'll definitely check out your mod once it's out. Been fun to follow your posts how things're progressing.
Funny thing with the flying monkey is that in my work-in-progress-probably-forever moddings just made a thieving winged monkey a couple weeks back. Based them somewhat on mongbats from the Ultima series (http://"https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Mongbats") (even gave them the same name as a placeholder as I suck in making up creature names).
Post by: ZM5 on June 06, 2021, 05:01:36 am
-Wolf Ghoul - based on very early concept art (https://i.imgur.com/NmqwXuU.jpg) that'd eventually become the regular Ghoul unit. Somewhat fragile, but its biting and clawing attacks are deadlier. Higher agility.
-Troll (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/a/a6/Grave_Horror_HS.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181222012723) and Worgen (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/7/7c/Worgen_Abomination.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181128222627) Abominations - larger semi-sentient experiments. Have the usual disease cloud ability, Troll version has higher recuperation and tissue healing rates, Worgen version is more agile and has sharper fangs and claws.
-Stitched Dog - basic experiment thats just a relatively small quadruped stitched from various limbs and bodies. Attack dog type, not very strong but can move quite quickly.
-Gasbag - stitched-together humanoid experiment with a massively bloated torso. Breathes disease gas that can cause nausea, dizziness or a fever, moves rather slowly and has both low agility and toughness - bursts into a cloud of the same disease gas on death.
-Stitchwork Crawler - basically a Drider (in shape, anyway - its only spider-like in having multiple legs and an abdomen, though for legs it just has normal 4-toed feet instead of sharp points) stitched from various limbs and bodies. Ranged attacker that spits poisonous bile and throws sharp spines. Unremarkable in melee combat.
Got ideas for a couple other types:
-Mouldering Discard - semi-sentient humanoid-ish, more of a laborer/cannon fodder type. Moldy and nasty with various bits and appendages sticking out of its body (along with the Plague Floater below, basically supposed to be a result of some experimenters going "well, all we have left are some giant toes, hacked up torsos, heads split in two, limb bits of various sizes, and other miscellaneous bites, what do we do with them?" "screw it, just put em together in some functional shape") - infectious scratching/biting attacks, spits relatively weak globs of bile.
-Plague Floater - basically just a floating, gas-filled bag of flesh with a face/head, some appendages hanging off it. Slow-moving flier that spreads debilitating syndromes with its gas breath.
-Fleshpede - various limbs and torsos put together in a centipede-esque shape. Rather basic experiment type, though it'd be able to crawl up walls and other obstacles with ease.
-Reconstructed - multi-caste, basic Frankenstein's Monster-esque humanoids. Standard variant is just a dumb swinger with no special abilities, a Mecha variant with a scattergun in place of one hand that shoots bullet spreads, and a Shocker variant with a coil embedded in its back and metal braces around the arms that allow it to shoot lightning bolts and direct clouds of lightning.
-Spore Carrier - stitched humanoid with fungus growing inside it - slow-moving, releases undirected clouds of spores.
-Rotting Mutant - large semi-sentient experiment with spikes growing from its back and a frostbitten sack on its throat - breathes frost and casts debilitating magic.
Will probably have to think up of more later, still got a few niches to fill I suppose, both in general ideas for experiments and their functions.
Post by: SQman on June 08, 2021, 11:25:02 am
-Dire hog (Echinochoerus armatus) - a large hog covered in porcupine-like quills. Its face is mostly obscured by its tusks, horns and saber teeth. Easily enraged, but tasty.
-Jabberwock (Dinodraco vorpalis) - a species of wyvern with a loose, wrinkled skin, rodent-like teeth, long horns, and a pair of fleshy whiskers. Comparable to the fire wyvern in size.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 08, 2021, 07:41:00 pm
Werepossum - a werebeast that doesn't default to crazed, instead only hostile under certain circumstances.
I also want to figure out a way to implement an effect that will render werebeasts in your fort non-crazed reliably, so you don't have to put people down. But I have no idea how I'm gonna pull that off.
I want to change the sandman and their "tortured child" spouse so the child buffs the sandman whenever they're near, but also drops a dagger/consumables that will allow the player to easily dispatch the sandman. The dusk troll and witch are supposed to do something like this already. Other ideas included letting the sandman conjure nightmares when under the tortured child's effects and doubling the rate at which it can use its sand cloud attacks.
I wanted to finally make a phantasm night creature. Still not totally pleased with the "ghostly"/ectoplasm material I'm using for ghost creatures. But it's good enough for now. It's pretty rare to encounter the existing ghosts and phantoms I've added, but this would be one that players actively hunt down, so the level of quality I feel like needs to be higher.
The gorophile night creature could also use some tlc, since its one of the few night troll types to survive worldgen on a regular basis, so people encounter them a lot. And other than being big and brutish and the flavor text of being covered in dead stuff they love to roll in, they're quite boring. But at the same time, being a big scary monster is all they exist for, so I dont really know how to fine tune that further.
Want to make familiars resurrectable and work better with a wizard they're bound to. Thought about making a "bind familiar" potion that will grant the wizard and the familiar extra abilities they can use on one another, like resurrecting the familiar if they're killed, which in my experience happens quite regularly because they're stupid fearless little clowns. A while back I wanted to make familiars have a giant, rideable form, so maybe a bound wizard will have the ability to transform their familiar temporarily. Though im not sure that's going to work well with them being granted intelligence already. Of course there's no way to force a particular bound pair to not use their abilities on other bound wizards/familiars besides the pair you wanted to be bound together.
Had an idea to make some other new weird critter too, but I've forgotten what that was...
Post by: Waistcoats on June 10, 2021, 11:54:33 pm
Post by: SQman on June 11, 2021, 04:51:07 am
-Kagusagi accountant position was restricted to Fortress of the Apes orangutans. Now it's not. Recruits are now called Ashigaru, prophets are sages, and pilgrims are ronins.
-Somehow I forgot to give wyverns tails. I'd never have noticed was it not for the venomous wyvern's stinger that attaches to the tail.
-Flederhounds could scratch with both their wing fingers and their feet, and I couldn't have that. It stopped working altogether when I gave them humanoid scratch attack; it was because flederhound's fingers aren't attached to GRASP bodyparts. I changed it to FLIER, but then I realized lower wings are not FLIER parts, so I changed it to STANCE. Works well now.
-Dire hogs have defined horn mats and tissues; gungnir has hooves on its feet instead of nails.
-Made kagusagi playable because why not? They have all the required positions, all necessary animals. A test fort may be in order to find quirks and errors.
Post by: Enemy post on June 14, 2021, 11:35:19 pm
Post by: ZM5 on June 15, 2021, 02:12:28 am
Post by: golemgunk on June 15, 2021, 09:39:14 am
So far I have several weaker versions of the megabeasts that can show up as regular wildlife:
Wyverns (that shoot hot steam instead of fire, not instantly deadly but can melt flesh with prolonged exposure)
Demi Hydras (with 3 heads)
Demi rocs
They're all around the size of a horse, and show up in savage biomes. When I thought of how to add a tamable bronze colossus, I started putting together a golem crafting system, which is starting to spin off into its own mod. I made "demi" versions of the semi-megas too, except they're benign and can join civs during worldgen.
To see necromancers more often, I made the "mortal troll", which is just a troll that's opposed_to_life and can raise the dead. The idea being that it'll go around killing troglodytes or whatever and give you zombies to deal with. I also made "feral vampires" that can spread vampirism with a bite, but that doesn't seem to be working properly in worldgen for some reason. I might also make an old fashioned werewolf to round out the night creatures.
Post by: Strik3r on June 16, 2021, 09:53:52 am
(https://i.imgur.com/pwzFn5E.png)
Hopefully this one will actually get somewhere that can be considered "finished". More details to follow as the mod develops further... but i'm currently slightly worried that i won't be able to adequately remove the vanilla industry progression...
Post by: catnapcat on June 24, 2021, 12:29:10 am
Post by: TomiTapio on June 24, 2021, 07:13:51 am
I was wondering whether it was possible to mod in an ability that's basically the propel mechanic, but aimed upwards, so that those targeted get a quick jolt into the sky.The IE_PROPEL_FORCE token unfortunately does not take a direction.
https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Interaction_token#IE_PROPEL_FORCE
Griffins/dragons would lift victims into the sky if we could.
Post by: Enemy post on June 24, 2021, 08:36:24 pm
*Just a quick edit to announce that the tiles are done! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=172869.msg8291169#msg8291169)
Post by: SQman on July 01, 2021, 06:15:24 am
-Assicorn - a wild ass with a spiral horn on its head. Unlike unicorns it lives in tropical grasslands and savannas, and also deserts of all kind. Other than being smaller, there is very little difference between the two unicorn species.
-Bicorn - two-horned equine predator that targets mostly good men (only fluff, can't really implement). Essentially evil predatory unicorns that make for terrifying mounts for goblins.
-Dragon horse - a loong type dragon that can be mistaken for a horse from distance. Like all loongs it has antlers and whiskers, but unlike most it has long legs that allow it to run at incredible speed. It also swims faster than any humanoid, and is able to breathe underwater. It's a predator, but not a very aggressive one. It's a main mount for the upcoming Wukong race.
I'm also going to make some changes to Kagusagi - shisa should be renamed to lunar shisa or something like that;
there should be a yatagarasu style bird;
I could also make the seven-branched sword shichishito, though I have no idea what kind of stats it should have;
Kagusagi themselves' hair should not be blue so often, black and white should be the most common.
I've got another mini-pack in mind - paradise animals, a collection of good and "good" creatures. It's still in the early planning phase.
Of course there's also the Wukong, but there's still a long way before I get to that.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 01, 2021, 06:24:30 pm
I also still wanted to do magic creature variations and plant creatures variations for spellcrafts, but haven't gotten that far yet.
The last week has been so hot and miserable (over 100F every day since saturday) that I have been unable to concentrate long enough to get anything done. Inside the house is actually worse, since we live in a metal structure with no air conditioning.
Post by: SQman on July 02, 2021, 03:14:13 am
Yatagarasu was my first foray into custom bodies; as it turns out I could find a use for it before making the eventual mythical creatures mod. The moon crow is a glowing, white-feathered, three-legged crow. Mostly a flavor pet, just like vanilla rabbits and guinea pigs. It's immortal and borderline divine.
The shisa is now silver shisa. It can still smite evil, but now doesn't appear in the wild, being a selectively bred breed of the real deal. It's silver instead of red.
Post by: brewer bob on July 02, 2021, 07:56:30 am
Well, now it seems the cursed ones turn into animals and continue to live their lives as normal, like this one dwarf king who was cursed to be a seagull for the rest of eternity. The seagull's been sitting on the throne for a couple hundred years now, arousing suspicion not for being a seagull, but for appearing not to age, and so the seagull king has been laying oppressive edicts on his subjects.
Not sure whether I love this and should keep it this way, or should I figure out another way to do the curses with less hilarity.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 02, 2021, 06:18:49 pm
Post by: brewer bob on July 03, 2021, 05:07:24 am
I have a nearly identical curse for Spellcrafts, and I've just been allowing them to remain civilized.
Huh, now that I think of it, I probably used some stuff from Spellcrafts as a guide/reference after getting the curse idea and being unsure of how to do it.
I think I'll leave the curse as it is for now, though I might make it so that the cursed creature reverts to their old form for a couple of days during a moon cycle (a bit like in Ladyhawke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladyhawke_(film))).
Post by: Asin on July 10, 2021, 02:05:49 pm
I have a nearly identical curse for Spellcrafts, and I've just been allowing them to remain civilized.
Huh, now that I think of it, I probably used some stuff from Spellcrafts as a guide/reference after getting the curse idea and being unsure of how to do it.
I think I'll leave the curse as it is for now, though I might make it so that the cursed creature reverts to their old form for a couple of days during a moon cycle (a bit like in Ladyhawke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladyhawke_(film))).
So, kind of like a reverse werebeast?
Post by: brewer bob on July 10, 2021, 02:39:01 pm
I have a nearly identical curse for Spellcrafts, and I've just been allowing them to remain civilized.
Huh, now that I think of it, I probably used some stuff from Spellcrafts as a guide/reference after getting the curse idea and being unsure of how to do it.
I think I'll leave the curse as it is for now, though I might make it so that the cursed creature reverts to their old form for a couple of days during a moon cycle (a bit like in Ladyhawke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladyhawke_(film))).
So, kind of like a reverse werebeast?
Yeah, pretty much with the periodic trigger being something like this: [CE:PERIODIC:MOON_PHASE:1:26]
Post by: SQman on July 13, 2021, 01:30:40 pm
-Gloomspore guar - a fungus shaped into the shape of a guar. Like true guars, it's not completely docile, yet not completely hostile either, though it should be tougher to kill due to the lack of blood or vital organs.
-Wild hunt guar - a floral guar that blends the natures of plants and animals. It is a ruthless protector of forests, only trusting Bosmer who respect the Green Pact.
-Kagouti fabricant - an artificial union of flesh and machine created by Sotha Sil to guard his realm of Clockwork City. It has brass legs and a brass-plated head. Shows up rarely in savage areas.
What's left for guars? The guar vamidium and atronachs, I believe.
I got bored of making creatures though, and I started working on Elder Scrolls plants. Only now I'm actually learning about modding plants, and so far it's been fun. There are lots of liberties to be taken, holes to be filled, lore to be made up. For example, what do we know about the Azra root from Shadowkey? What is sujamma made from? How is babby formed? This is one of the reasons I took on this project, answering those questions.
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on July 21, 2021, 12:27:22 pm
Also just made some other random tweaks that I felt like, some of which are more substantial than others. Edited certain description text to be more interesting, dragons are intelligent fliers that come in more colours than just green, ogres and ettins have tusks, cyclopes have a horn, kobolds have tails, you get the idea.
Post by: SQman on July 24, 2021, 04:26:43 am
-I've figured out how to translate Buddha's begging bowl to DF! The beggar's bowl is a grey underground mushroom with s bowl-shaped cap. It's a basically a rarer, more valuable plump helmet. Can be brewed into beggar's firewater.
-Bunny-ears spinach - a green leafy plant with split leaves resembling a rabbit's ears. The plant is processed into bags like quarry bushes, because vanilla spinach is frustrating with how it works.
-Aquila - a large bird of prey resembling a cross between a harpy eagle and a peacock. Native to good forested areas.
Elder Scrolls mod:
-Fire atronach guar - a dangerous fire-elemental daedra forced into the shape of a guar. It is composed of flames with an outer layer of volcanic rock. It can spit fireballs and swim in magma. They can be encountered extremely rarely in magma.
The guar vamidium will force me to make the first custom metal - the numis, a stand-in for dwemer metal. It should be heavy and durable, but bad at holding edge Dwemer should be able to make it in some way; I considered an alloy of ebon and copper, but maybe that's too simple.
Post by: voliol on July 24, 2021, 03:02:56 pm
Post by: FantasticDorf on July 26, 2021, 06:51:16 am
All going well else, a few set aside stones made out of barrels and gunpowder could even be dangled off the ceiling for stone-drop traps, or i can catapult-fling specially etched rocks which invoke a particuar effects like stunning on impact; but my knowledge of 47. interactions is kind of a 'learn as i go along kind' experience.
Post by: 9joseph9 on July 29, 2021, 01:14:23 am
So as it's intended, the males are spouse converters who make wives out of human females kidnapped from other civs. They do indeed do this, but naturally born lemurian wives are also a thing for some reason. Perhaps I can fix this by messing with the caste population weights, but idk yet. The lemurians also make experiments out of eachother, resulting in things like Plumus, a Lemurian who's mother is an experiment. Not sure if I can (or want to) get them to only experiment on other races.
I was able to get them to semi-regularly make far more mountain halls than fortresses or hillocks by giving them 1000 biome support in mountains and 1 biome support elsewhere. They still make hillocks and fortresses, but if they are in a mountain range with more than one side on the map, they tend to spread throughout before spreading around.
Reading the legends entries of some of these guys is funny, as they seem to like traveling the world taking up apprenticeships under various people, frequently getting into fights with humans, then one day they kidnap a random woman, and return to their home to settle down.
Post by: SQman on August 04, 2021, 03:28:15 pm
Well, turns out if you're a worshipper of a spider-goddess, you can expect some sort of punishment for eating spider meat. Who woulda thunk.
I'm pretty much ready to release my unofficial branch of Rhenya's Drow, just a matter of starting a thread. It just so happens that starting a thread is the worst part of this whole ordeal, so it's not gonna be right this very moment.
Post by: SQman on August 11, 2021, 06:13:25 am
-Demonweb warlock - a secret available to all races. Can summon a bebilith* and use eldritch blast. Greatly increases one's disease resistance.
-Spider prophet - a secret available to female drow (if that's possible). Can summon a few yochlols* and spray venom that causes pain and blisters with a chance of paralysis.
Simple religion/alchemy system centered around the new building - demonweb altar.
-meat for silk - sacrifice a large amount of meat for a good chance to get a few sheets of valuable bebilith silk. A drow fortress shouldn't be short on silk, hence the relatively low price.
-poison for drink - purify a barrel of poison cup extract into venomwine* by mixing it with strong liquor, namely drow gin. High chance of success.
-blood for gems - sacrifice a barrel of blood for a small chance of getting a rough ruby or two.
-silver to mithril - transmute silver to mithril using ichor and poison cup extract . Three bars of silver to one bar of mithril.
-hearts for abyssal blessing - sacrifice many (prepared) hearts for a tiny chance of spawning a vermin that changes a drow into a draegloth*. It's unlikely, but if the vermin bites a drider, it turns it into a draegloth abomination*.
Plants:
-venomwine plant - a fake plant that exists solely as a source of extremely expensive wine for altar reaction. The wine grants small boons.
Creatures:
-bebilith - a giant demonic spider that can do everything a spider should do. Summoned by warlocks, and encountered deep underground. Can be tamed, but the drow shouldn't eat them.
-yochlol - a demon in the form of a yellow slime monster with many tendrils and a single eye embedded in its body. A jab of its tentacle injects debilitating poison. It also has psionic ability to instill various egative emotion on enemies, and bolster the capabilities of its allies.
-draegloth - a half-demonic monster of drow origin. It has four arms with enormous claws, and a slightly canine face.
Males are hulking monsters with dog-like legs, imposingly broad shoulders and wild manes. They are deceptively intelligent, capable of serving not only as champions, but also generals;
Females resemble unnaturally tall drow, of course with four clawed arms. Females, despite being much more gracile than males, are incredibly agile and supremely intelligent.
-draegloth abomination - while unlikely, a drider may be blessed and turned into a draegloth. Such monster resembles a regular draegloth from waist up, and a colossal spider comparable in size to a bebilith below. It combines the demonic and arachnid traits that make it one of the deadliest things to encounter in the caverns.
-draegloth monstrosity - like the abomination but with a scorrow instead of a drider. Its upper arms have transformed into pincers like those of its demonic ancestor.
Post by: brewer bob on August 11, 2021, 12:04:48 pm
-Spider prophet - a secret available to female drow (if that's possible).
Should be possible. I tried out a deity curse that targeted only males of a certain species and it's worked as intended (so far) in the several worlds that I've genned.
Post by: Rekov on August 20, 2021, 10:17:17 pm
My question to the community is this:
Which labor(s) do you think are most appropriate for this? My current set up is that I use both MASON and STONE_CRAFT, as determined by whichever skill would apply to the equivalent rock item.
I worry if this concentrates too much utility in those professions though, because they now do all work with rock and with ice.
What other skills might be better instead? I was thinking CUT_GEM, maybe. It would make the skill matter, since it would be associated with quality. Or GLASSMAKER since my ice is similar to glass in a lot of ways.
There isn't really a 'right' answer, but I would welcome some feedback.
Post by: Kat on August 21, 2021, 06:02:30 am
still fiddling with the clutch size of eggs, and the population ratios. What would be most suitable ?
Post by: Eric Blank on August 22, 2021, 02:04:34 am
Post by: DwarfStar on August 22, 2021, 12:07:00 pm
I made a second version of the root deer; the caantelope. It's an antelope made of cantelope, with a fat round body and toothpick legs.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDFmi7fzP8k47KTtix88wIz_NGV9P4t8PhLQ&usqp=CAU)
Them's good eatin'!
Post by: SQman on August 23, 2021, 02:29:25 am
On a brighter note, numis - dwemer metal - has been created. If everything went well, it should be very hard, extremely difficult to cut through, but also heavy, rigid and bad at cutting.
I aimed at it providing superior, if heavy, defense against bladed weapons. It also should shrug off weaker blows from blunt weapons, but crack under powerful hits. It should also work well for maces and hammers.
What's the catch? It's expensive and will only be available to the Dwemer and those who trade or fight with them.
I've made this metal now for the guar vamidium, a mount for the Dwemer.
Post by: Splint on August 23, 2021, 03:54:53 am
I also realize I should probably include a list of new creatures, their sizes, and where to find them along with any notable dangers they might pose (fire, venom, whatever,) in one place, as opposed to being spread out in the changelogs in the mod's thread.
This task is going to be made of pain and suffering.
Post by: HyperboleJoe on September 09, 2021, 02:28:10 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on September 10, 2021, 12:50:07 pm
I forgot I put cave sharks in the spellcrafts mod as a critter you can turn into (not yet, I never got around to it) so I was briefly concerned I'd dun goofed and lost it.
[Edit]
I had a dumb idea today while at work, because a while back I had been reading about polyploidy in plants which led to polyploidy in animals which led to kleptogenesis and the ambystoma salamanders on the northeastern US that contribute to a hybrid all-female kleptogenetic/parthenogenetic lineage in the region.
Anyway, today I remembered how in DnD dragons can breed with any species and produce viable offspring that are hybrids and that are themselves able to reproduce. They're kinda like a magical fire breathing scaly ambystoma salamander going around incorporating not only other salamanders genes but any animal they can. And that's a facet we kinda want in DFin the future, to be able to have centaurs and elf/dwarf hybrids but lo, I can already do a faked up version of that for a DF dragon themed mod using summoning and transformation effects timed to match the average length of pregnancy or egg incubation.
What I'm getting at here, is, would a dragon mod that actively spat out hybrid children be interesting? I kinda want to do it just to see it function and spit out hybrids, even though it would be confined to a list of species the dragon is compatible with or like a generic dragon/mammal hybrid if the father had the mammal creature class, which runs into the complication that reptiles, birds, fish arthropods etc don't have associated creature classes in vanilla. And they'd probably be summoned as adults, I don't think the summoning interaction will spit out a child. Never seen it happen anyway.
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on September 20, 2021, 04:19:32 pm
Post by: brewer bob on September 20, 2021, 07:25:21 pm
is it possible to mod a [POWER] creature that spreads good tiles, or is evil all that's supported right now?
It's creatures with [SPREAD_EVIL_SPHERES_IF_RULER] (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#SPREAD_EVIL_SPHERES_IF_RULER) that spread evil tiles (what kind they are depends on their sphere). So, only evil currently, unless there's some way to hack it?
Post by: SQman on September 24, 2021, 07:02:22 am
Gorbs are quadrupedal birds closely related to owlbears, but unlike their cousins they have long wings that serve as arms as well as legs, which gives them ape-like appearance. They have enormous, brightly colored beaks that they use to pick fruit and crack nuts.
-Fire-billed gorb - a large gorb from tropical forests, roughly the size of a gorilla. It is useful as a war beast - matures and grows to full size faster than gorillas. Name derives from its bright orange beak.
-Long-winged gorb - a small, gibbon-like gorb. Valuable as a pet, but that's about it. Climbs faster than it walks.
-Bald-headed gorb - a gorb with a featherless, vibrant blue head. It's roughly the size of a chimp, but it's rather cowardly.
-Fungorb - a gorb with a serrated beak for shredding cavern fungi. It is territorial and easily angered. Appears in small troops and steals food. Can be trained for both purposes.
-Gorb kong - a massive semi-megabeast gorb filled with primal rage. Still, it's just a wild animal and can be tamed. Truly the eight wonder of the world.
Owlbears are still in the concept phase, but I've got a good idea what to do. They are deadly predators with sharp claws on their wings.
-Great owlbear - the basic kind, resembling a huge grizzly bear crossed with a great horned owl. A solitary denizen of temperate forests and mountains. Trainable for war and hunting, and also a mount for daring riders.
-Snowy owlbear - a slightly smaller species, but still huge and prone to rage. They can be encountered in tundras and taigas.
-Sandy owlbear - a small owlbear the size of a large dog. Digs through sand for rodents and other vermin, but will attack anyone who gets too close. Bird-bear honey badger. Lives in deserts, grasslands and savannas.
Running owlbear - a slim owlbear with long legs and wings, resembling a canine rather than a bear. Shows up in a wide variety of tropical biomes.
As soon as I remembered that caverns exist I came up with some variations for existing creatures:
-Blind wyvern - an eyeless wyvern with long, fleshy whiskers. Related to jabberwocks, but it's not quite as large or aggressive. Unlike other wyverns, it lives in flocks up to 5 and can be dangerous if disturbed.
-Foul wyvern - a twisted wyvern with a disturbingly enlarged tongue that serves as the beast's main weapon. Its mouth, tongue and teeth drip with necrotizing venom. Lives deeper underground than blind wyverns.
-Nosferohound - a gigantic, lumbering flederhound, a vampiric flightless bat that can drain a dwarf dry with little more than a bite. Fortunately an average dwarf will easily outrun such monster.
Post by: Eric Blank on September 24, 2021, 05:10:17 pm
I was unable to do anything at all this week modding wise, I've lost my creative spirit, probably because I'm so damn tired and sore from work.
But, a horrible critter I had made a long time ago made a series of appearances in adventure mode; a giant parasitic wasp that preys on creatures by injecting them with a "larvae" venom that transforms the victim into a crazed wasp after a period of time. They've become a common wild predator in this forest my adventure started in, and I encountered no less than three named ones in the span of two days. The venom, it turns out, still works. I am now a wasp and can go around starting a wasp-zombie apocalypse with my stinger.
Post by: DwarfStar on September 24, 2021, 10:47:15 pm
https://web.archive.org/web/20140205210831/https://diterlizzi.com/home/owlbears-rust-monsters-and-bulettes-oh-my/
(https://web.archive.org/web/20140202021659if_/http://diterlizzi.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Owlbear.jpg)
Post by: Eric Blank on September 24, 2021, 11:46:35 pm
Post by: delphonso on September 25, 2021, 04:19:47 am
Post by: Will Phoenix on September 25, 2021, 03:08:18 pm
Now with a simple bed and a still, my dwarves can drink a mug of bed mead which has a 50% probability of causing bleeding due to the splinters in the drink. 8)
Post by: ZM5 on September 26, 2021, 05:05:53 am
Had an idea for a "mechanized menaces" pack as well, mostly inspired by Terraria's mechanical bosses - in this case, mechanized versions of vanilla game semimegas and megas, i.e a Mecha-Minotaur with wheel attachments on the hooves so it "skids" on the ground at high speed, sorta like the GRAD from MGRR, as well as a rocket engine on the back so it can charge at super high speeds, or a Mecha-Ettin that can shoot out copies of its heads as flying drones. Besides that also some mechanical invaders like Cyber-goblins - cyberized goblins with different variants, some having merely cybernetic enhancements and some being fully cyberized, with only their innards being organic; or Bucketheads - essentially unintelligent junk-bots made from various parts haphazardly put together and bearing AI cores that are either malfunctioning or are intentionally directed to eradicate organic life.
Got other miscellanous ideas too, like the Proto-humans - basically "humans?" with emphasis on the question mark - some demented twat (that is, me) attempting to create humans but ending up with them looking like they came out of the character creator of a game like Ark or something similar - so horrifically (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827438197155823616/891421787798265907/XvdqPJa-j-Y4rGf_5SPHmXbFpPWGkfxZsM1bpbKG5B0.png) deformed (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827438197155823616/891421096329498624/Arksecharactercreationinanutshell_72be77_6167538.png). I'm still not quite sure how to get experiments to work the way they should (still end up with only vanilla procgenned ones appearing in towers) so I figure for now they'll just be weird wild creatures that one can come across.
Post by: peasant cretin on October 24, 2021, 08:51:53 am
Shorter menus for both, IMO equal cleaner simulation for units under AI control.
Besides what Sver and Taffer used for facial features, adding INTERNAL token to toes and fingers, and limiting natural attacks to left/right punch/kick for HUMANOID_NECK creatures achieves this nicely.
Due to force transfer's overpowered numbers, the less pin-to-tile behavior for all AIs involved in group skirmishes, the better, so along with BITE removal there's wrestling controls via prehensile grips.
Insofar as you can tinker with wrestling, I've removed the LIMB token from upper/lower arms, and upper legs to simulate the real world's possible 2 points of contact standing/4 on the ground: hands retain GRASP and lower legs retain LIMB.
Standing units who have been world-genned/assigned with hands filled won't wrestle at all.
To be consistent I guess most creatures not HUMANOID_NECK need the LIMB token removed since wrestling unfortunately can proceed beyond the tie-up contact stage to strangles/joint-locks for many animals. While occasionally funny to watch a horse spam various joint-locks, it's not all that great simulation-wise.
The problem of force transfer can be navigated in Adventure Mode under player control, but it's not well managed for AIs, particularly smaller creatures like your melee squads inflicting force transfer on larger critters like semi/megabeasts. Unsure what I'll do here.
Post by: muffinsofjoy on October 25, 2021, 02:55:15 pm
Post by: SQman on October 31, 2021, 03:31:17 pm
The bunny people aren't all carrots and moon dust; they are also accomplished paper crafters. The paper folder's workshop allows them to turn sheets of paper into clothing, doors (shoji), furniture, toys and crafts. Paper and origami inorganics have higher value than common stone and wood to incentivize using them.
Paper katanas could be cool, but I'm not sure if I should make them useful or just funny.
Post by: DwarfStar on November 07, 2021, 01:11:53 pm
Paper katanas could be cool, but I'm not sure if I should make them useful or just funny.
Paper katanas in general should be sharp, but highly non-durable. But if you happened to get an artifact paper katana...
Post by: SQman on November 07, 2021, 05:53:29 pm
A few new thematic toys for rabbit kids: toy katana, kendama (cup-and-ball), beigoma (battling spinning tops; traditional beyblade), ohajiki (marbles except flat), shogi set (japanese chess), origami crane (can only be made with paper).
For the next update of the Miscmod! I've also changed the jeweled tree to resemble a paulownia rather than an oak. That change consisted of renaming "acorns" to "nuts". Oh well. There will be more plants and creatures once I decide what to work on next.
Post by: nrh on November 16, 2021, 04:18:22 pm
What was made so far:
5 candidates are selected based on their social skills and lust for power value.
Each candidate picks one populist slogan based on most popular unfullfilled needs in fortress.
Candidates with stronger lust for power pick their slogan first (To somehow compensate their lower social skills).
Voter makes decision based on factors:
- Candidate's social skills
- Personal relations with candidate(friend, lover, grudge, father e.t.c.)
- Absolute belief difference
- If their unfullfilled needs are matching with candidate's slogan
- If they share guild or religion with the candidate
Dfhack console test is under spoiler. Candidate list(left) and voter priorities(right)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SQman on November 17, 2021, 02:16:21 am
Caprine and bovine giant animals (Animalia) had some issues with caste names due to the CASTE_NAME tokens being placed in the wrong spot.
Guanaco and vicuña men (Animalia) had no fingers because their mundane forms have custom two-toed feet.
Some dinosaur hybrids (Dino Hybrids) were supposed to have skin rather than feather, yet I forgot to change it to be so. Similarly, one dino was supposed to have a mane of feathers that I had forgotten to define.
Fungirachne (Cavern Fauna), the spider-puffball critter, had no eyes because they couldn't connect to its headless body. Had to make new body parts.
Canis root (Unnamed Elder Scrolls mod) had no seed material defined.
Post by: IndigoFenix on November 17, 2021, 04:13:12 am
Has anyone done any science on how spheres and values impact relations between entities?
EDIT:
Nice, it works!
As a proof of concept, here are the numbers for the vanilla entities. The left column shows the observer, the top row shows the observed. Lower numbers means the observer hates the observed more, and all else being equal, should be more likely to go to war.
I'll post it as a utility in a bit.
| MOUNTAIN | FOREST | PLAINS | EVIL | SKULKING | |
| MOUNTAIN | 39 | -31 | -34 | -176 | -13 |
| FOREST | -30 | 40 | -71 | -159 | -33 |
| PLAINS | 9 | -23 | 33 | -78 | -16 |
| EVIL | -36 | -36 | -12 | 23 | -14 |
| SKULKING | -4 | -27 | -73 | -123 | 26 |
Run online (https://indigofenix.com/misc/EntityRelationshipTweaker.html)
Download Link (https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15748)
Post by: Enemy post on November 23, 2021, 01:30:24 pm
My takeaways:
1.Always meticulously follow licensing/crediting rules.
2.Stealing things creates great work, but is legally dangerous.
3.Patreon is way, way more trouble than it's worth here.
4.I originally tried to make Primal's tileset by scrounging up tiles, but I couldn't find enough and had to do it the hard way by drawing every single one myself. In retrospect, really glad I did it that way.
Post by: nrh on November 24, 2021, 11:11:57 am
1. If dwarf owns a prepared meal, he prioritizes eating it. Finally not some raw plump helmet!
2. Looks like if food owned by dwarf is stored on the table -- it does not rot. And dwarf doesn't try to throw it on the floor.
So I found how to create jobs in advfort.lua and made this experimental script based on it: https://github.com/Uvellibash/df-experiments/blob/main/hack/script/servant.lua (https://github.com/Uvellibash/df-experiments/blob/main/hack/script/servant.lua)
It counts private dining rooms and empty tables. Then it creates jobs to move prepared food on dining room tables, 1 meal per table.
If dining room is shared with spouse and has two tables -- 2 jobs are created.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To move things I use bringItemToDepot job-type. But instead of depot I pass coordinates of the table, and it just works. It also works with chests, maybe other buildings.
Post by: FantasticDorf on November 24, 2021, 06:01:48 pm
Very interesting, do dwarves drink out of owned mugs stored on tables too?
Post by: SQman on November 25, 2021, 04:06:24 am
My ettercaps are specialized bipedal arachnids rather than just spider-related monsters - they have eight limbs (two arms, two legs, four vestigal appendages) with hands end feet ending with tarsal claws, eight eyes, venomous mandibles, and sticky webs. Generally they are ambush predators.
-weaver ettercap - a generalist ettercap, unremarkable when it comes to size or abilities. It sprays web from 3 tiles away, and gold ts venom causes pain, then numbness, then possible temporary paralysis of the bitten body part. The size is 70k for males and 100k for females.
-hairy ettercap - a huge tropical ettercap that assaults its victims with its powerful arms. It does not actually spray webs, though it still creates silk (compatible with Kazoo's silk eggs mod). It's venom isn't all that powerful either, causing pain and mild swelling. Males are 200k, and females are 220k.
Assassin ettercap - a highly specialized species that uses its vestigal appendages as stingers. Said appendages are greatly enlarged while its arms are reduced in size. Its venom has a chance to inflict many different effects: localized swelling, oozing and/or necrosis, fever, drowsiness, even long lasting coma. It can spray webs from 5 tiles, although with a long cooldown. Size-wise, males are 50k, females 80k.
-cave ettercap - a spindly ettercap that specializes in long distance web-slinging. Its venom goes straight to the lungs and heart, causing paralysis that either goes away quickly or persists until the victim suffocates. 45k for males, 60k for females.
-umber ettercap - a massive ettercap from below the earth. It lacks the ability to spin webs completely, but in exchange it has enormous arms and mandibles that tear the flesh of anything that it perceives as food. Its venom causes mild dizziness, erratic behavior, and a sense of dread, that is if one doesn't get decapitated by its huge mandibles. 300k for males, 400k for females.
Post by: nrh on November 25, 2021, 05:15:23 am
Id almost say foward this to Toady, it could speed along things considerably for some aspects of the tavern arc, but id definitely use it if dwarves could be a bit more picky to choose their preference food for the job (unless somoene else brings it in? Im not sure)It's not hard to change. Selecting best food from a list requires some more computations. I will make it an option later.
Very interesting, do dwarves drink out of owned mugs stored on tables too?
I experimented with giving a barrel of wine. Dwarves don't like it when their owned items are stored inside other items (not constructed buildings, like table, chest or cabinet). Most likely they would pick wine from a container and throw it on the floor of their room. Happens even if container is in the room already. And this goes as "store owned item" job, which is classified as "TidyUp" in raws.
Other problem is how to force dwarf to fill a mug if not for drinking. There is no separate job for that.
Post by: Atkana on November 28, 2021, 02:29:49 am
I just thought I'd leave everyone with that mental image
Post by: Fae on December 02, 2021, 05:33:26 am
Post by: SQman on December 04, 2021, 07:27:55 am
-Guar vamidium - a dwemer mount, benign and unable to bite, though its kicks may be deadly due to them being composed of dense dwemer metal. Can be found in the caverns.
-Frost atronach kagouti - a kagouti-shaped daedra made of ice. They can cast frost cloak, causing creatures caught in the cloud of frost to get blisters, slowdown, and decrease in endurance. The atronach lacks tusks for some reason, but that's how it is in ESO.
That leaves the storm and iron atronach guars. I gotta be honest, I don't like working with inorganic creatures all that much.
I should also give mundane guar species some sort of "milk". I think I'll actually name it "milk".
I've started fish which should be fun. There's a lot of those in ESO, and none of them have any dscriptions, so I can get creative. Anyway, so far I've made some slaughterfish:
-slaughterfish - the regular ones based of the lobe-finned ones in Skyrim and ESO. They are common in all temperate bodies of water. Most are slightly smaller than a dwarf, but some don't stop growing until they are 400k in size.
-blind slaughterfish - mentioned once in a dialogue in Morrowind, apparently larger than the regular one. I based their appearance of the slaughterfish from Oblivion except white. They live in underground lakes. I gave them extravision to emphasize their keen senses that make up for their lack of vision.
-electric slaughterfish - from the same conversation as the blind one, similar to the ones from Daggerfall. They prefer saltwater, both temperate and tropical. I'd imagine their electric attacks wouldn't be extremely potent, however there would be a small chance for paralysis.
Next up: the remaining guar atronachs, and fish.
EDIT:
Unrelated to the TES mod, some plants:
-Tree sundew - a giant madagascar sundew
-Pitcher tree - a pitcher plant except tall, shaped like a palm tree
-Giant trumpet pitcher - exactly what it says on the tin
-Flytrap tree - a tree-shaped venus flytrap
They can all be found in wetlands, and their wood is on the heavier side.
Post by: Teneb on December 08, 2021, 08:44:32 pm
Post by: FantasticDorf on December 09, 2021, 06:57:23 am
Decided to slowly return to modding DF because why the heck not. It is somewhat soothing in its own way, New mod, though, don't want to have to remember where I left off with other stuff.
Glad to see it, your old warhammer mods have left me months of fun to poke, prod and build upon.
For myself, i've been experimenting with [COMMANDER:<position>:<all?>] tokens, and thus far i think i've made a breathrough in how to properly organize army controllers so they aren't a spawl of bottom level non-historical captains rushing, which should mean gameplay wise that a entire army can be capped for gameplay purposes to be defeatable within invader-cap by restricting their numbers.
Just a tweak to put a number instead of 'all' and tightly controlling captains within the framework.
Post by: IndigoFenix on December 10, 2021, 12:42:56 am
Decided to slowly return to modding DF because why the heck not. It is somewhat soothing in its own way, New mod, though, don't want to have to remember where I left off with other stuff.
Glad to see it, your old warhammer mods have left me months of fun to poke, prod and build upon.
For myself, i've been experimenting with [COMMANDER:<position>:<all?>] tokens, and thus far i think i've made a breathrough in how to properly organize army controllers so they aren't a spawl of bottom level non-historical captains rushing, which should mean gameplay wise that a entire army can be capped for gameplay purposes to be defeatable within invader-cap by restricting their numbers.
Just a tweak to put a number instead of 'all' and tightly controlling captains within the framework.
Oh, I've been trying to figure this out! Is it possible to make it so that a civ generates histfig generals according to the scale of its wars, instead of always having the same number?
Post by: FantasticDorf on December 10, 2021, 08:46:48 am
Oh, I've been trying to figure this out! Is it possible to make it so that a civ generates histfig generals according to the scale of its wars, instead of always having the same number?
Squamous has a kind of archetype, where the units are directly tied to the nobles rather than standing independent for the monarch, which isn't exactly the same way i do it, but they believe it'll make them more historically prevalent and turn up for fights, which falls within the realms of my own theories about defeatable army sizes, where if they only send one controller at a time within a engineered size 200 (with no mercenaries used in fortress mode), 250-300 invader cap should be enough to have all the war animals, and top to bottom military heirarchy when they grow that large appear with maybe some space left over. Still pending a live test.
I have a save with some of my WIP token configurations here (https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15777), common army dwarves, elven tribal warriors & animalperson volunteers, feudal humans with unedited goblins, though some of them need chat-worthy so you can properly monitor histfig military units from the crowd. So this is what i've been working on recently.
Spoiler: "extended position discussion kept here to keep post small" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dylan Ail Don on December 11, 2021, 10:17:55 pm
A Livery Yard allows your dwarves to ride tamed animals. You pasture an animal over the workshop, and with just a reaction your worker will become a real rider.
Anyways, I can't manage to make mounts useful in Fortress Mode. I already explained this in another post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179310.msg8336021#msg8336021) I'm trying to make the mount have the same pathfinding of its rider, but I can't manage to do it well.
I added a function in the mod's script that tries to make the mount go to the same place that the rider wants, but it doesn't change anything.
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function fixRiders()
for k, unit in ipairs(df.global.world.units.active) do
if dfhack.units.isCitizen(unit) and unit.riding_item_id ~= -1 then
local mount = df.unit.find(tonumber(unit.riding_item_id))
-- This should fix pathfinding issues. The mount will try to go to the same place as the rider at all times.
-- based on companion-order.lua
if mount.path.dest.x ~= unit.path.dest.x or mount.path.dest.y ~= unit.path.dest.y or mount.path.dest.z ~= unit.path.dest.z then
mount.idle_area.x = unit.path.dest.x
mount.idle_area.y = unit.path.dest.y
mount.idle_area.z = unit.path.dest.z
mount.idle_area_type = df.unit_station_type.ChainedAnimal -- Doubtful
mount.idle_area_threshold = 0
mount.follow_distance = 50
mount.path.dest = {x=unit.path.dest.x,y=unit.path.dest.y,z=unit.path.dest.z}
mount.path.goal = df.unit_path_goal.SiteWalk -- Doubtful
mount.path.path.x:resize(0)
mount.path.path.y:resize(0)
mount.path.path.z:resize(0)
end
end
end
dfhack.timeout(1, 'ticks', fixRiders)
end
I'll keep trying.
Post by: IndigoFenix on December 12, 2021, 09:58:12 am
Setting the pop cap for city-builders to much higher values, like 10000, makes enormous metropolises a fairly common feature, which are fun to explore. Surprisingly, the slowdown isn't that bad. Do NOT try this with fortresses.
For some reason, alligators tend to show up a lot in these cities, at least in my experience. Why alligators specifically? I have no idea. Is it because they are large predators that can live underwater? Are they breeding in the sewers? Could be just a coincidence, but it doesn't feel like one.
Post by: IndigoFenix on December 13, 2021, 06:10:31 pm
Although now that I think about it, they might still be dangerous to pets and children...
Spoiler: Blood Beetles (click to show/hide)
Has anyone actually established whether VERMIN_ROTTER causes things to rot faster, or does it just mean the vermin are attracted to decaying items without actually causing it? If the former, a beetle pit might also serve as a way of skeletonizing corpses faster...though retrieving said skeletons could prove tricky.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 14, 2021, 05:54:42 pm
I've been away from df for a while, but I'm pretty sure I finally caught and cleared up the crash issue I was having
Witch lights are still, as they always have been, a pain in the ass material wise. Game doesn't like it when you use liquid or gas materials, even if you've tweaked them to be solid at room temperature. So right now it's just made of stoney aether. Not ideal, but not crash inducing either. So far...
Post by: Nautilus on December 14, 2021, 07:41:58 pm
Part of DF's system for combat is an attacker's number of available attacks applied against the defender's targetable body parts.
Shorter menus for both, IMO equal cleaner simulation for units under AI control.
Besides what Sver and Taffer used for facial features, adding INTERNAL token to toes and fingers, and limiting natural attacks to left/right punch/kick for HUMANOID_NECK creatures achieves this nicely.
Due to force transfer's overpowered numbers, the less pin-to-tile behavior for all AIs involved in group skirmishes, the better, so along with BITE removal there's wrestling controls via prehensile grips.
Insofar as you can tinker with wrestling, I've removed the LIMB token from upper/lower arms, and upper legs to simulate the real world's possible 2 points of contact standing/4 on the ground: hands retain GRASP and lower legs retain LIMB.
Standing units who have been world-genned/assigned with hands filled won't wrestle at all.
To be consistent I guess most creatures not HUMANOID_NECK need the LIMB token removed since wrestling unfortunately can proceed beyond the tie-up contact stage to strangles/joint-locks for many animals. While occasionally funny to watch a horse spam various joint-locks, it's not all that great simulation-wise.
The problem of force transfer can be navigated in Adventure Mode under player control, but it's not well managed for AIs, particularly smaller creatures like your melee squads inflicting force transfer on larger critters like semi/megabeasts. Unsure what I'll do here.
Just removed most of the limb tokens from [HUMANOID_NECK]. When I tested in the arena I was able to break someones hips and they did not fall over. Unfortunately the limb tokens are also used to define the function of the body part bot just for wrestling. After I put the lib tokens back a single broken hip would cause a human to collapse.
Post by: IndigoFenix on December 16, 2021, 05:44:40 am
Just let the cats in before anyone else. Hundreds of dead beetlesActually cats are the ones in the most danger.
It takes about 10-15 consecutive bites to kill a human-sized creature - unlikely to happen unless you put a refuse pile in the dining room. Children can die from about 3-5 bites, but since they aren't hauling refuse or working in the butcher shop, they are less likely to get bitten.
But cats actively hunt the beetles, and are small enough to be killed by one or two bites. And sometimes the beetles bite before the cat can kill them...
The other issue is that once there is a hospital they will frequently cancel jobs to "rest their injury" even from a single bite.
What determines whether a creature considers an injury worth resting? Is it any negative syndrome, or does it require a certain level of severity?
I'd like them to ignore one or two bites, but if they are starting to bleed out it makes sense to seek a hospital, if nothing else because their current occupation is probably in a beetle-infested spot and they should be smart enough to move. (Of course, if the hospital is infested with beetles that becomes an iaaue on its own, but that's all part of the fun...)
Post by: SQman on December 17, 2021, 05:48:09 pm
As for my work, I've made a spider that can be milked. It does not make silk, but both genders produce silk-milk that can be turned into silk-cheese. Its venom causes pain, swelling, and oozing. Appears in all cavern layers in small groups.
I've also moved some of my first creatures - yatagarasu (three-legged crow) and jian (one-winged bird) - to the Miscmod!.
I suppose I should upload the new update (working title: the /po/ update) soon.
Post by: Teneb on December 18, 2021, 08:11:37 am
Mod is WH40k because screw it why not. Gotta embrace the trans compulsion to warhammer. Plan is to do a civ or small pack of related creatures and release. Then repeat. Will avoid DFHack to keep it simple and make it easy to update later.
No promises it'll ever be finished, of course.
EDIT: doing tyranids first because I want something that can be just slotted into any game without much issue or supporting stuff. Going to be caste heavy, but things will get faster to do as body parts and such are out of the way.
Post by: peasant cretin on December 18, 2021, 01:41:28 pm
Part of DF's system for combat is an attacker's number of available attacks applied against the defender's targetable body parts.
Shorter menus for both, IMO equal cleaner simulation for units under AI control.
Besides what Sver and Taffer used for facial features, adding INTERNAL token to toes and fingers, and limiting natural attacks to left/right punch/kick for HUMANOID_NECK creatures achieves this nicely.
Due to force transfer's overpowered numbers, the less pin-to-tile behavior for all AIs involved in group skirmishes, the better, so along with BITE removal there's wrestling controls via prehensile grips.
Insofar as you can tinker with wrestling, I've removed the LIMB token from upper/lower arms, and upper legs to simulate the real world's possible 2 points of contact standing/4 on the ground: hands retain GRASP and lower legs retain LIMB.
Standing units who have been world-genned/assigned with hands filled won't wrestle at all.
To be consistent I guess most creatures not HUMANOID_NECK need the LIMB token removed since wrestling unfortunately can proceed beyond the tie-up contact stage to strangles/joint-locks for many animals. While occasionally funny to watch a horse spam various joint-locks, it's not all that great simulation-wise.
The problem of force transfer can be navigated in Adventure Mode under player control, but it's not well managed for AIs, particularly smaller creatures like your melee squads inflicting force transfer on larger critters like semi/megabeasts. Unsure what I'll do here.
Just removed most of the limb tokens from [HUMANOID_NECK]. When I tested in the arena I was able to break someones hips and they did not fall over. Unfortunately the limb tokens are also used to define the function of the body part bot just for wrestling. After I put the lib tokens back a single broken hip would cause a human to collapse.
Much thanks for pointing that out. That's interesting and unintentional due to my careless reading of the body token page on the wiki.
So, I too have reverted back to the world of eldritch abomination wrestling ^__^ ---> all can/cant_learn animals resume their training under John Danaher.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 18, 2021, 06:53:17 pm
The other issue is that once there is a hospital they will frequently cancel jobs to "rest their injury" even from a single bite.
What determines whether a creature considers an injury worth resting? Is it any negative syndrome, or does it require a certain level of severity?
I'd like them to ignore one or two bites, but if they are starting to bleed out it makes sense to seek a hospital, if nothing else because their current occupation is probably in a beetle-infested spot and they should be smart enough to move. (Of course, if the hospital is infested with beetles that becomes an iaaue on its own, but that's all part of the fun...)
They probably visit the hospital on contracting any syndrome that has negative effects. Have you tested if they'll still go to the hospital if the syndrome is set to be ignored, once the associated injuries become severe enough?
Post by: Madde on December 22, 2021, 04:21:25 pm
Fine-tuning a creature: a vermin beetle that hangs around your refuse piles. Its bite is not strong enough to be dangerous to human-scale creatures on its own (as long as you don't leave dead bodies all over your meeting hall), but when a bunch of them are captured and thrown into a small pit together they serve as a means of "disposing" of unwanted enemies.
Although now that I think about it, they might still be dangerous to pets and children...
Hey, this is really neat! I was thinking about a general theme to start fleshing out the tropical regions of my mod, and your blood beetle just inspired me to make something along the lines of the bloodflies from Dishonored 2. In short, they are parasitic hive insects that lay eggs into live hosts and turn them into mindless hive caretakers.
As for the mod I'm working on, I'm not really sure where it is going or how it'll end up when I finish it. I started off with the basic idea of having a cookie-cutter western european style human civ with items and equipment vaguely resembling Victorian era stuff (firearms, fancy clothing and whatnot), pitted against some Darkest Dungeon/Bloodborne inspired old god cultists and other eldritch beings. I've spent the better part of the afternoon desperately trying to incorporate dwarves into the mix, but having them in high numbers just feels off without the presence of other high fantasy creatures like dragons and elves. I'm thinking about making them a substitute for animal men to at least make them appear among city folk, but it would be weird to encounter a flock of naked dwarves running around in the wilds. I wonder if having all four of the [NO_<season>] tags allows them to still spawn and join civs during worldgen, while also preventing them from being encountered as wildlife in regular play?
Post by: SQman on December 27, 2021, 07:24:05 am
-Grey warg - a hump-backed wolf-beast from temperate forests. It is not evil, but it is a dangerous predator at half ton of weight and with pack hunting instincts. They are ferocious mounts used by
Saberwargs were also given a hump and trainability, but this is not about them.
-Grim warg - a species of warg native to the caverns. Slightly smaller than grey wargs, hairless and blind. Still can be ridden.
-Shuck - the traditional black dog, larger than a regular dog, but not gigantic. It roams evil temperate grasslands and shrublands. Shucks can curse its prey to death, literally. The victim may pretty much explode into a fountain of blood after a year following the shuck sighting. It's only 10% chance though, and shucks are solitary.
Oh, and wukongs and their monkey king leaders exist now. Now for the chinese weapons...
-Basker - a gigantic shaggy wolfhound with glowing eyes. It can be found in evil temperate wetlands where it can be recruited by goblins to act as an attack animal or a mount. It can't curse anyone, but it's tough to kill due to its size.
-Shadow barghest - an ambush predator resembling a large emaciated hound with glowing eyes. They live in wooded evil areas including taigas and swamps. Nothing really interesting about this one, but...
-Mist barghest - it is similar to the shadow barghest instead they are white, live in sparsely wooded areas, and can summon thick fog to aid its hunt. Not sure if that does anything in fortress mode.
-Xolotl - a type of tropical barghest resembling a hairless dog with a skeletal head. Dunno if they should have the shuck's death curse or not.
Post by: Fikilili on December 31, 2021, 10:17:26 am
So expect races and subraces that aren't crazy looking thing-people with StarWarsey names and shallow "deep lore". Just very simple stuff that could fit in your average Fantasy universe from the 70s/80s. I really, really wish we could mod new buildings and types of sites in the game, but until the map rewrite or until someone figures out how the game generates and implements structures and proposes a fan-fix of the many generation issues, then I'll just stick to races, animals and items. Oh well.
To make it feel like "Vanilla DF but High Fantasy", I'm trying to think of ways to make each race/sub-race somewhat unique in terms of gameplay. You know? With their interactions with the world and the dwarves. So if like, if I add a High Elf race, then they should have something unique going on. Same goes for Orcs, they can't just be strong raiders who ruin everything, because the Goblins do that job already pretty well.
Beside that, I'm probably just going to add whatever I like. So stuff like Elfquest Elves and Gelflings, who knows?
Well, that what I have in mind, but I'm feeling like people have seen that kinda stuff over and over again. So it might be just better to come off with something a little less... predictable? I think I just wanna do a generic High-Fantasy mod just so that there can be one and call it a day. But at the same time, may be doing something more... Alien might interest people.
Post by: Madde on January 07, 2022, 07:54:35 am
(https://i.imgur.com/OtVYf2w.gif)
Post by: IndigoFenix on January 08, 2022, 05:38:31 pm
Spoiler: what (click to show/hide)
I am not using DFHack.
Post by: Enemy post on January 09, 2022, 11:52:38 am
Post by: IndigoFenix on January 09, 2022, 01:52:04 pm
I've checked around a bit and found that there are several instances of oni deities getting killed. My guess is that is has to do with the oni species, which are NIGHT_CREATURE_SPOUSE_CONVERTERs with a civilization. This is surprisingly functional - they generally behave like normal civilized creatures, but occasionally one will suddenly start acting like a night creature, get booted out of society, and start kidnapping and converting other species.
My guess is that the game didn't really account for deities in the form of night creatures, and tries to give them both deity and night creature behavior in worldgen - both creating slabs and ambushing travelers, the latter of which can get them killed.
The game handles this surprisingly well - I haven't seen a crash yet. I know from DFHack experiments that deities are, internally, regular historical figures of their respective species, just with a deity flag that stops them from existing physically and lets them do god stuff. I wonder if it's possible to encounter an oni deity living in a cave in adventure mode.
Post by: brewer bob on January 10, 2022, 06:46:12 am
I did a version of dwarves that had multiple castes of mutants who all had the [BLOODSUCKER] token, which resulted in dwarf deities of the mutant castes sometimes getting killed during mutant purges (they had a constant secretion syndrome which added "mutant" to their display name).
Post by: Rumrusher on January 10, 2022, 07:55:26 am
It's not duped raws - the rest of the game is working fine.
I've checked around a bit and found that there are several instances of oni deities getting killed. My guess is that is has to do with the oni species, which are NIGHT_CREATURE_SPOUSE_CONVERTERs with a civilization. This is surprisingly functional - they generally behave like normal civilized creatures, but occasionally one will suddenly start acting like a night creature, get booted out of society, and start kidnapping and converting other species.
My guess is that the game didn't really account for deities in the form of night creatures, and tries to give them both deity and night creature behavior in worldgen - both creating slabs and ambushing travelers, the latter of which can get them killed.
The game handles this surprisingly well - I haven't seen a crash yet. I know from DFHack experiments that deities are, internally, regular historical figures of their respective species, just with a deity flag that stops them from existing physically and lets them do god stuff. I wonder if it's possible to encounter an oni deity living in a cave in adventure mode.
oh yeah technically night trolls are generated right next to gods in the history figure list. so having a sapient civil group of night trolls be literally the first civ to exist means their gods would be consider a historical figure night trolls. then they would just act like a normal night trolls in the world gen. this does in fact lead to encounters of folks becoming god killers but I haven't seen the result of an night troll deity kidnapping folks and doing spouse conversion as that would be as close to DF going to get to literal demigods.
oh and deities in world gen tend to not get nemesis data so they won't really get the luxury of showing up in someone's game or spawn in sites they were residing in.
pretty interesting to realize in worldgen everyone is equal including the gods
oh currently in my sessions of modding I've dip into fiddling with towns to see if I can construct a mini town in dfhack
and the results end up being either crash worthy or accidentally burrowing several z levels into the ground with a building I spawned in.
I already got inhabitants living in said buildings so I guess one could build a dungeon with dfhack and just explore it in adventure mode, or make custom civ sites.
though given the placements of the structures seem to crash unless I roll up on a certain sweet spot building placement... it kinda got me re-thinking on how useful would this script be for folks on a causal level.
Post by: SQman on January 17, 2022, 11:35:54 am
Finally, a while back when testing driders for Rhenaya's Drow update, I've realized what makes werebeasts so dangerous - it is not their melee or biting skill, but rather dodging. A drow turned into a drider for eating spider meat was beaten to death by his unarmed colleagues, while a werelizard can dispatch a squad of untrained yet armed soldiers. Turns out not getting hit raises one's chances of survival significantly
So, seeing as any peasant armed with a knife can easily kill a lion, I've decided to give some animals dodging skills. It's mostly relevant with predators and thieves, but some prey animals such as deer and antelopes got some too. In general, small and nimble animals will be better at dodging attacks than massive beasts, meaning that a grizzly bear will be a poor dodger while a cat should be more adept at avoiding danger.
The only really large file left to update is whales. As unlikely as a player is to encounter a dolphin, I don't think they deserve to be left out.
Edit:
I've also been making some extra stuff for Miscmod!:
Birds:
-Seraph heron - a six-winged water bird from good wetlands. Inoffensive creature that appears in small flocks.
-Bloodbird - a repulsive creature resembling a featherless chicken with bat-like wings and a maw of a lamprey in place of head. they can apear in all but the coldest evil areas, swooping down in large flocks to gorge themselves on dwarven blood. Still, they are rather small and not exceptionally agile.
Demons - as a group these creatures are dwellers of evil areas, are immune to curses, and take 3/5 damage from all sources.
-Oni - red and blue demonic brutes, just like the tsuki-oni that serve Kagusagi. In fact, they aren't at all different from their servile cousins. They are greater demons of wrath, and appear in evil mountains and temperate forests. They are prone to rage, but don't really have any other special offensive abilities. I should come up with a friendly skill with drawbacks too, since they are demons; I'm not sure whatto do here.
-Tauriz - an animalistic lesser demon of wrath; a knuckle-walking beast with hooves on its hind legs, bull-like horns on its head, and a maw full of sharp teeth. They are 100% prone to rage, but are tamable to civilizations that use evil livestock. They live in more open areas such as grasslands, shrublands, savannas, and marshes. They are named after the zoroastrian daeva of destruction, while its design is based of horned demons from Heroes of Might and Magic V (maybe I should have made more changes...)
-Belos - a major demon of envy; a hooved humanoid with hairy legs, and a bull's head made of pure gold. They lack brain and throat, limiting the number of weak spots on their bodies. They are perfectly capable of killing with their golden horns, but they will have some sort of ablility to make the player's life harder. They should also have some kind of interaction with allies, maybe inspiring envy which temporarily increases attributes, but causes, well, envy and anger?
Post by: WonderPsycho on January 20, 2022, 06:00:20 pm
Post by: SQman on February 02, 2022, 07:26:37 pm
I've also made a few more demons:
-Rashk - a small, hideous, hunchbacked humanoid with a strong hatred for beauty. Despite being humanoid in shape, it is just a wild beast driven solely by envy. Steals items, and isn't afraid to fight for them.
-Lilim - succubi and incubi, greater demons of lust appearing as beautiful young women and men with small wings and short horns. They can drain life essence causing harm to body and mind of the target (haven't finalized the interaction yet). They are legendary in some of the social skills from birth. They are born as children rather than babies.
-Jahi - a minor demon of lust in the shape of a hooved woman with ram-like horns and a bovine tail that terminates with a sharp metallic blade. They lack the subtlety of succubi, sucking the life essence with blood. Unlike other minor demons, jahi are sentient and can join civilizations.
All greater demons are POWERs and corrupt surroundings if they become leaders. Their spheres are:
Oni - depravity/thralldom/chaos/murder/strength
Belos - depravity/metals/fame/thralldom/jealousy
Lilim - depravity/beauty/lust/persuasion/revelry
Post by: montejobarato on February 03, 2022, 06:11:06 pm
Post by: voliol on February 05, 2022, 01:17:24 pm
Post by: SQman on February 07, 2022, 06:43:04 am
The warlocks are more resistant to disease, more focused and smarter, but not at all faster or stronger. Instead they rely on their ability to summon a bebilith and cast eldritch blast.
Bebilith is a massive demonic spider with sharp claws. It slings webs and has a venomous bite, just like a spider should. They can be encountered deep underground as a sort of boss monsters.
Eldritch blast fires a purple glob that causes bruising, bisters, and debilitating pain. It also has a chance to cause necrosis.
Other than that I've tweaked animals from that mod. They all have combat skills including dodging now, and the spiders now lay eggs and have mandibles.
The plan before the next update includes a second secret - the spider prophetess, but I've talked about this earlier. The spider altar and alchemy come later.
Edit:
Yochlols, the handmaidens of Lolth, were kinda tricky - I had to make them from scratch since they are very non-standard and I've never had anything like them.
Fortunately I had slime templates on hand from another mod.
To make them more kllable I've decided to give them brains even though I wasn't supposed to. To compensate for their lack of skuls and soft bodies I've fiven them higher damage resistance than I usually give demons.
Overall they should be very dangerous, with webs, aralytic and necrotizing venom, and a psychic attack. It is smaller and has worse combat skills than the bebilith, but a spider prophetess will be able to summon two at a time.
I've also discovered that driders would bite with their mouths instead of teeth, and had pus defined twice for some reason. This carried over to scorrows. I've fixed all of this already.
Edit 2:
(https://i.imgur.com/Up3ivXI.png)
(Fixed the name after that)
The warlock got pulped by the yochlol who was in turn destroyed by the bebilith. Unfortunately the bebilith attacked its warlock in the next test. Gotta work it out.
Post by: SQman on March 02, 2022, 04:37:10 am
The problem with the fish from Elder Scrolls is that there is little to no lore about them, not even as little as a description.
Slaughterfish are seemingly well defined, but there are also two different species - blind and electric - that are briefly mentioned in Morrowind and then completely ignored. I mentioned them before, so I'm not gonna discuss them.
Fish from Skyrim (river betty, silverside perch, cyrodiilic longfin, histcarp) all use the same model in the game, but I decided to make them more distinct and actually came up with some meaningful descriptions - river betty is a temperate river betta, longfin is like a fancy guppy, histcarp is a carp that is given Hist sap for cleaning and protecting Hist roots, perch is a perch. They all have the basic magical effects from Skyrim.
I have no idea where or when it's explained, but the trodh is apparently a fish that becomes extremely poisonous almost immediately after death, and is therefore best eaten raw just after killing, or if you're an argonian you can just swallow it alive. The problem is that you can't have that in DF, so I've made the poison mild, causing only nausea and some dizziness. Trodhs are also rare so you don't have to deal with them on every embark.
That brings us to the completely undefined ESO fish. Most are fishable vermin, some od them having negative effects (toxic xoach being a carrier of swamp fever for example), while others have some other stuff going on (weaver octopus is a webber, however it's gonna work).
Some fish are large creatures. That includes the old man gar, king sturgeon, shark tadpole, few actual sharks, moray lamprey, and some more. Most are dangerous predator with an appetite for dwarven flesh.
Post by: ZM5 on March 06, 2022, 04:02:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/cCx22eb.png)
Working on my first TC - completely different than my usual fare, with a post-apoc setting rather than a fantasy one.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 08, 2022, 01:01:11 am
Post by: ZM5 on March 08, 2022, 02:19:16 am
Im sorry, is this a Thriller zombie party interaction?Believe me, I was bewildered by this as well. Was testing out a race I did for this mod, and decided to go to a necromancer tower for the hell of it. And then I saw this
(https://i.imgur.com/MQi1uFf.png)
I didn't think the zombies would be using interactions, since on my other mods I don't think I've seen them use interactions much.
Post by: Eritzap on March 19, 2022, 03:50:00 pm
I discovered that the [NATURAL_SKILL] token, when used to set a combat skill, will cause all creatures to be "hardened" in proportion to the set level.
Level 4-6 will give the "is getting used to tragedy." string, 7-9 will give "is a hardened individual.", and 10 and above will give "doesn't really care about anything anymore."
Is that a know fact? Because I certainly couldn't find any mention of it out there.
Post by: Atkana on March 20, 2022, 09:44:54 am
Finally found out the source of a weird effect on my modded civ and creature that had been bothering me.That's neat - I never knew that. If I had to hazard a guess as to why, I imagine it might be something like the game generates the unit, notices the unit has military skills, then assumes they must've been in the military/trained as a soldier so gives them some appropriate hardenedness based on their supposed level of military experience.
I discovered that the [NATURAL_SKILL] token, when used to set a combat skill, will cause all creatures to be "hardened" in proportion to the set level.
Level 4-6 will give the "is getting used to tragedy." string, 7-9 will give "is a hardened individual.", and 10 and above will give "doesn't really care about anything anymore."
Is that a know fact? Because I certainly couldn't find any mention of it out there.
Post by: ZM5 on March 24, 2022, 04:03:48 am
Changing dialogues was a great idea.
Post by: Laterigrade on March 24, 2022, 07:38:52 am
You know, I don’t think I’ve even seen dwarfs do this.Im sorry, is this a Thriller zombie party interaction?Believe me, I was bewildered by this as well. Was testing out a race I did for this mod, and decided to go to a necromancer tower for the hell of it. And then I saw this
(https://i.imgur.com/MQi1uFf.png)
I didn't think the zombies would be using interactions, since on my other mods I don't think I've seen them use interactions much.
Post by: Atkana on March 25, 2022, 09:46:50 am
Number of new DFhack bugs encountered that prevent new mod from working: 1.
Q_Q
(yeah, I've reported it. The other one's been sitting there for over a year though, so I don't have my hopes up.)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZM5 on March 26, 2022, 05:15:10 am
(https://i.imgur.com/TU165kz.png)
Some more results of modding. Almost done, only really have wild creatures left for this.
Post by: SQman on March 27, 2022, 02:49:11 pm
"Oh no, I'm surrounded by bandits! I know, I will kill myself! That will show 'em!"
That's exactly how I handle all of my problems 8)
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Anyway, fish. My criteria for fish in the Elder Scrolls mod are the following:
-they have to be fictional;
-they can't be named after people or places
I've accumulated quite a collection:
Spoiler: Large fish (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Vermin fish (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Vermin crustaceans (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mollusks (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Echinoderms (click to show/hide)
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Not wanting to mess around with reactions, I started making a little optional module for Rhenaya's Drow Unofficial - the most miserable race of Underdark: the Duergar.
The grey dwarves are physically similar to regular dwarves, just grey and they keep their heads and beards short or shaved clean. Mentally they are joyless, ruthless, and cruel, creating masterworks that are devoid of beauty as it is not a value they hold. If I decide to make them playable, their depressiveness will be how I keep them from being overpowered.
The Duergar have two abilities:
-Enlargement - makes a Duergar larger and stronger for a short period of time. Maybe there can be some sort of penalty when the effect ends, like fatigue or sickness.
-Invisibility - when a Duergar decides to run away, they increase their agility and other such stats.
There is a rare caste called Durzagon - a Duergar displaying devil ancestry. Their hair and beards are replaced by sharp spines that they can launch at their enemies.
The duergar use a variety of subterranean animals - giant bats, deep rothe, pack lizards, spitting crawlers, osquips (six-legged rat things), steeders (giant riding spiders). They also use quaggoths as slaves.
Oh, and spiders have book lungs now.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on March 30, 2022, 11:40:48 pm
So far I got:
1.) a glass octopus
2.) Some kind of mostly stationary plant monster that spawns in underground cavern layers.
I want it to have a custom dust emission interaction which changes living things plant-zombies. The monster also causes wandering clouds of mind-control spores to waft across the map above ground, which encourages players to deal with it. Was toying with the idea of what would happen if you were to somehow tame this particular semi-megabeast. An army of 100% loyal plant zombies that worship the plant monster as a god would be cool.
3.) Cockatrice with an interaction that turns things into statues. Not really sure how to specify that an entity needs "eyeballs" in order to be converted into a stone statue. I really like the idea of having a trained war cockatrice that is chained in the middle of a garden filled with stone goblin statues, which as you might have guessed, are the petrified remains of previous invaders.
Post by: ZM5 on April 02, 2022, 01:41:52 pm
Expanding on the "man who blows his brains out" from earlier - deranged pulsating-headed man whose head explodes (or rather a caste for a roaming fake "bandit"-esque creature). Video of the ability in action (https://imgur.com/a/9nGYIBP) - kinda looks cool actually. Changed the bone shard density after this test too so it doesn't knock back.
Post by: Thunderforge on April 07, 2022, 01:15:14 pm
Post by: Atkana on April 12, 2022, 03:44:16 am
Post by: ZM5 on April 12, 2022, 12:21:30 pm
Boogeyman replacements.
Post by: IndigoFenix on April 15, 2022, 01:51:43 am
There are a whole bunch of things I'd like to implement using HIDE interactions, but with hidden creatures being invincible in Adventure Mode...it's kind of a drag, you know?
Post by: IndigoFenix on April 15, 2022, 02:14:52 am
The mechanic is so much fun that I might make additional sphere secrets that aren't strictly speaking from the Mortal Kombat games, but feel as if they could be. Maybe a secret of hunting that lets you turn your defeated enemy into a small prey creature and summon dogs to chase them down...
It's a shame there's no way to deal physical blows or make enemies explode using interactions.
Anyone know of a good way to make a non-lethal fire attack that can be safely used by non-fireproof creatures? Fireballs in DF are pretty overpowered and I'd like to restrict them to finishers, but you can't have a secret-based mod without pyromancy.
Post by: ZM5 on April 16, 2022, 10:31:38 am
Maybe a secret of hunting that lets you turn your defeated enemy into a small prey creature and summon dogs to chase them down...Sounds like a version of animality+babality. Maybe the animal and birth spheres could be used for those.
EDIT: Or children sphere rather than birth - I forgot it existed.
Anyone know of a good way to make a non-lethal fire attack that can be safely used by non-fireproof creatures? Fireballs in DF are pretty overpowered and I'd like to restrict them to finishers, but you can't have a secret-based mod without pyromancy.i once used blisters+pain+bleeding-inducing inorganic projectiles for that, and now a projectile that comes out with a high melting point and slightly lower boiling point so that it evaporates immediately on a hit (for an AOE effect) - latter can still set stuff on fire, but its also likely to just cause some melting damage.
Post by: Rumrusher on April 18, 2022, 12:19:16 am
As they don't poof when the sun shows up they only poof when the game ends the cackling event(which one of the set ups for that is sun rising but it's not tied to the creature.)... and if their corpse lingers awhile.
let alone interactions can affect them so any lingering necromancy, status effects and syndromes would also affect them.
like with how they work you could pull a quantum disturbance being with them... but I Don't think LISA series has dimensional crossing characters in it (if this is a lisa mod). so I guess hidden joy mutants that appear and explode into fine mist? though turning the player into a type of joy mutant that seems fine up until they activate the cackling and find out that they need to reverse the transformation or they just also die along with the other mutants when the event ends seems like a lisa event.
Post by: ZM5 on April 18, 2022, 02:19:28 am
so saw that bogeyman replacement and realize the game will keep track of those hallucinations in legend mode and I guess in some scenarios with the adventurer the hallucinations will linger on outside of the cackling event.The hallucinations poof when the cackling ends so their corpses dont linger (their severed body bits do though - taken a precaution so that their body materials have the "mystery" prefix rather than "hallucination" - should give the effect of the player character waking up from their hallucination trip surrounded by unidentifiable severed limbs and piles of blood and gore).
As they don't poof when the sun shows up they only poof when the game ends the cackling event(which one of the set ups for that is sun rising but it's not tied to the creature.)... and if their corpse lingers awhile.
let alone interactions can affect them so any lingering necromancy, status effects and syndromes would also affect them.
like with how they work you could pull a quantum disturbance being with them... but I Don't think LISA series has dimensional crossing characters in it (if this is a lisa mod). so I guess hidden joy mutants that appear and explode into fine mist? though turning the player into a type of joy mutant that seems fine up until they activate the cackling and find out that they need to reverse the transformation or they just also die along with the other mutants when the event ends seems like a lisa event.
There's several different types of hallucinations, mostly for a creepy experience in some evil biomes (especially since their "descriptions" don't actually describe them) - there's gonna be clouds of hallucinogenic mist rolling through evil biomes, as a reason to why the hallucinations would appear - going with the assumption that they're just normal creatures (for the setting, anyway) like bears or snakes, but the player character is seeing them twisted and far more grotesque due to the mist - presumably they too are freaking out due to the mist.
It is a LISA mod, and nah, joy mutants aren't considered bogeys - there's several variants, some are crazed wild predators, some are docile and can be tamed, and some of the more huge and/or more twisted than usual ones are megabeast variants. One of the hallucinations is ostensibly a weaker joy mutant, but the "joy addict" castes obviously don't transform into that one.
Post by: Rumrusher on April 18, 2022, 07:34:48 am
so like when I brought this up, I was wondering about the idea of how would you handle the "hallucinations getting out of the cackling"?so saw that bogeyman replacement and realize the game will keep track of those hallucinations in legend mode and I guess in some scenarios with the adventurer the hallucinations will linger on outside of the cackling event.The hallucinations poof when the cackling ends so their corpses dont linger (their severed body bits do though - taken a precaution so that their body materials have the "mystery" prefix rather than "hallucination" - should give the effect of the player character waking up from their hallucination trip surrounded by unidentifiable severed limbs and piles of blood and gore).
As they don't poof when the sun shows up they only poof when the game ends the cackling event(which one of the set ups for that is sun rising but it's not tied to the creature.)... and if their corpse lingers awhile.
let alone interactions can affect them so any lingering necromancy, status effects and syndromes would also affect them.
like with how they work you could pull a quantum disturbance being with them... but I Don't think LISA series has dimensional crossing characters in it (if this is a lisa mod). so I guess hidden joy mutants that appear and explode into fine mist? though turning the player into a type of joy mutant that seems fine up until they activate the cackling and find out that they need to reverse the transformation or they just also die along with the other mutants when the event ends seems like a lisa event.
There's several different types of hallucinations, mostly for a creepy experience in some evil biomes (especially since their "descriptions" don't actually describe them) - there's gonna be clouds of hallucinogenic mist rolling through evil biomes, as a reason to why the hallucinations would appear - going with the assumption that they're just normal creatures (for the setting, anyway) like bears or snakes, but the player character is seeing them twisted and far more grotesque due to the mist - presumably they too are freaking out due to the mist.
like there's a potential chance say the player talks to one of them then dies and ends the game session and doing so means the game unloads the map and stores any historical figures including the hallucinations that got talked to. which adds them into legends and saves them for next session and usually keeps them in the area where the previous adventurer died.
though depending on if you make these hallucinations sapient I ponder if I could re-do the same experiment I did with bogeymen in vanilla about year ago and probably move one into a player fort.
though I guess if not sapient then that opens the door to taming and domesticating hallucinations.
which probably also leads to someone making hallucination/mystery meals, mystery clothes, mystery trinkets.
oh yeah one more thing the corpses linger for like 1 frame after the cackling ends so a necromancer could reanimate the corpses after ending the cackling by killing them all.
so on the off chance there's necromancy in this mod one could probably get an undead hallucination companion or mount depending on if A they got the mount token on them, B turn into a creature that has the mount token on them thus means you can just ride them while they turn into that creature and maintain the mount afterwards.
though I guess most of what I brought up is covered by 'hallucinations are just wild animals in some hallucinogenic mist'
hmm now I wonder if night_creature_bogeyman just makes it so the creature corpse vaporizes and that they just show up in the cackling(and kills them if the cackling ends), or is there any thing else to it like preventing them showing up in the wild... I know that token doesn't prevent entities from having them as I tested that on humans (who behave like normal up until cackling event happens then they just all die when/if the adventurer ends the cackling) and animal entity tokens allows one to have bogeymen as citizens. though with how rare it is to start that event I wonder if the token just doubles as a 'vaporize corpses' token until the player goes through and cause the cackling to happen.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 18, 2022, 07:59:52 pm
Post by: Deon on April 27, 2022, 04:45:08 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/oykYhjw.png)
Also yay, guns, shotguns and rockets. I love it.
(https://i.imgur.com/PabBiPy.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kuTrcRw.png)
Post by: brewer bob on May 03, 2022, 04:40:06 pm
Maybe I'll eventually post the raws in case someone wants to use them in their mods.
Post by: peli082 on May 04, 2022, 09:56:35 pm
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Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 10, 2022, 01:02:10 pm
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(https://imgur.com/qXDjQ8B.png)
I DID IT!
I made Goblin, Kobold and Elven gods.
Post by: squamous on May 14, 2022, 07:16:20 pm
My tenuous solution for this is the transformation of citizens into vehicles via curse or secret interactions. I have created a system in which humans will be transformed into vehicles, made of metal and machinery, but piloted by an organic human brain, representing a human brain extracted and transplanted into a mechanical body. These new cyborg tanks won't be able to equip weapons or armor, but will possess formidable natural weapons along with immense size, making them powerful units in worldgen and gameplay. Furthermore, as they will still be counted as fort citizens, they can be commanded directly, unlike war animals, and special positions can be created to ensure they are appointed military captains in times of war. So, invaders could be living tanks escorted by teams of infantry. Lastly, you will usually not encounter war animals in adventure mode, among bandits for example. However, these transformed war machines can become bandits, meaning that you could encounter enemy vehicles both in fortress and adventure mode. I have yet to solidify a comprehensive system for these mechanics but am optimistic it will succeed.
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 15, 2022, 11:30:39 am
Harmsters (https://tribbetherium.tumblr.com/post/655970700344033280/the-middle-glaciocene-115-million-years) are cute little murder beasts who go around naked. They are bipedal, theropod-like, carnivorous rodents with the worst kind of inniate mentalities a sapient species can have.
I modelled them after the savanna harmsters, the context is in the link.
Post by: brewer bob on May 16, 2022, 06:38:26 am
Been going through all my old pitiful modding attempts, ditching loads of stuff and fixing the rest the best I can.
This has gotten out of hand again and instead of keeping things clean and simple, everything is once again a horrible bloated mess, which was precisely what I was trying to avoid this time.
Post by: Splint on May 16, 2022, 05:50:49 pm
1. Cyberpunk weapons, from both the 2020 version of the RPG and 2077 vidya. Good lord was this a mistake, as I still need to go back and manually check to see what SMGs should need two hand, there's several assloads of weapons in extremely odd and specific calibers like a .410 caliber shotgun pistol and a .177 caliber subgun... I've made a huge mistake in my decision to make what amounts to various crossbow reskins.
2. A "dystopic foods" thing, consisting of a bunch of workshops that produce various things at a relatively high return, but for the most part have negative effects on your population's morale, plus all the associated things needed. The end result is essentially an expensive to build means of getting food that can be accessed on demand using subpar resources (namely using plants you got no use for and other things you'd rather your people not eat and potash to make bloom pellets and insect feed.)
- Earthworm Farm: Produces "Low-grade Synthmeat" at 1 input:10 output ratio that, due to its origins, has a good chance of offending your people's sensibilities (nobody likes being told to eat worms)
- Mealworm Farm: Produces "Mid-grade Synthmeat" (1:5)that has a chance of inducing a sense of boredom due to a relatively bland taste.
- Cricket Farm: Produces "High-grade Synthmeat" that has the lowest return (1:2) but doesn't induce negative thoughts (crickets as an acceptable food)
- Algae Farm (imagine it as producing edible pond scum): Similar to low-grade synthmeat, 1:10 return, though it has an effect similar to mid-grade - not necessarily offensive, but not really great either, no matter how well prepared.
- Kelp Farm: Edible kelp at 1:3 ratio, to be consumed as is or used in the Fish Farm. No positive or negative effect on morale.
- Fish Farm: Kelp go in at 1:2 ratio of fish coming out. Of the lot, farmed fish is the only one that provides positive morale, since it's not synthetic, insect-derived meat.
These all have needs for a lot of metal bars to build, plus a bunch of other tools that themselves need specific production (motors and electronics to make water agitators to keep the assumed water moving in kelp and fish farms for example.)
Why I feel this intense need to make something that demands complicated production chains to achieve is beyond me.
Post by: brewer bob on May 18, 2022, 03:19:04 pm
Generated a new world and set forth as an adventurer. First impressions: "Ooh! Look at that tree variety! And all those new herbs and such! Nice! Let's go pick some!" Head to pick some plant... Can't pick the plant, only the leaf. "What? Why you no pick plant stupid? Don't want leaf!"
Quick Googling: "dwarf fort adventure mode picking plants".
Oh God.
Why didn't I remember that only plant growths can be picked in Adventure mode?
...Back to the drawing board, I guess.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 19, 2022, 12:25:28 pm
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 22, 2022, 05:59:35 pm
1) Their language is incomplete, over half of it is still goblinese. And I am too lazy to change all the words.
2) They are supposed to be nude, but wear leather clothing instead.
3) I am not sure if the [LITTER_SIZE] token is even working. It seems to be. Harmsters only live to a maximum of 20 years and reach maturity at 2 years old, and I do see alot of harmster pups.
But they never rise to a level of prominence like I want them to. They never go extinct, though, they are always at the top five in population. Which come to think of it, is better than having them rule the world.
Post by: brewer bob on May 22, 2022, 06:12:02 pm
I have some problems with my current bastard hamster raptor race, Harmsters.
1) Their language is incomplete, over half of it is still goblinese. And I am too lazy to change all the words.
Have you tried using DFLang to generate the language (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=47332.0) from a list of words?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 22, 2022, 06:34:11 pm
I have some problems with my current bastard hamster raptor race, Harmsters.
1) Their language is incomplete, over half of it is still goblinese. And I am too lazy to change all the words.
Have you tried using DFLang to generate the language (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=47332.0) from a list of words?
I didn't even knew such a thing existed. Thanks man.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 25, 2022, 05:25:37 pm
You can remove the clothing and subterranean clothing tags and remove all instances of non-armor clothing from their entity, but in fort mode they will still get pissed off about being naked unless they get that personality change.
I believe the littersize token is still broken, has been for years. If they don't have multiple_litter_rare or whatever it is dwarves and humans have, then they will regularly give birth to 2-3 children simultaneously.
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 27, 2022, 03:30:16 pm
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 27, 2022, 04:01:25 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 27, 2022, 05:06:37 pm
Oh, I made not-deers on a whim the other night. They're large_predator deer as big as bears that shoe up to try to eat people, and have a power that makes them grow even larger and stronger. Quite deadly.
Post by: Splint on May 27, 2022, 05:14:56 pm
I'm thinking to incentivize the construction and use of certain food production workshops, I'll have food crops be generally long-growing and a bit unpleasant when unprocessed, also because I find the idea of raw cacti and mudcakes actively making your citizens expierience deep loathing and despair funny.
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 27, 2022, 06:53:46 pm
You cannot define special spheres or religious beliefs, they're hard-coded. You can use the religion entity tags to give them stars as a default sphere, though, and they'll almost always generate a deity of that sphere.
Awwww myaaaaan. Oh well, star gods it is.
Post by: SQman on June 07, 2022, 05:17:51 am
Other than that, and before I shift focus to another mod, I want to make all the creatures from Gregory Keyes novels. These, however, raise a question:
What the hell is a greem? Apparently they are something worth seeing, they live in flocks, and can be encountered in Elsweyr, so I imagine they are like fancy dodos. My first idea was to make them into quadrupedal ibises, but that wasn't really consistent with ES aesthetics. Elsweyr has glyptodonts and terror birds, Skyrim has mammoths and sabre cats, so a dodo is not too strange.
What comes later? I'm considering continuing the Jurassic World dino hybrid mod, Slay the Spire mod, or the Ravenloft thing I started a while ago and pretty much abandoned (something happened to the ectoplasm material, no idea what though) .
There's also the Miscmod (that could really use a new name). Once I get back to it, I'll merge it with the old Cavern Fauna mod. There are also demons that I started and never finished, and the Wukong monkey civilization.
Now, I promised myself not to start any more projects, but I have a plan to make a Might and Magic mod, mainly centered around games set in Ashan (Heroes V and later), because the setting has more consistent factions and dwarves as their own civiliaztion.
The civs would be: humans (including angels and celestials), wizards (humans, gremlins and genies), necromancers (humans, liches, vampires, fate spinners), elves (and sprites), dark elves (maybe even faceless?), nagas (plus wanizame?), dwarves, orcs (various castes, including goblins), demons (many castes).
There would be heroes as secrets, also somehow attainable in dwarf mode, and also the dark messiah - a necromancer variant capable of summoning the Avatar of Death.
It's still just a concept, of course, and it will likely stay that way for a while.
Post by: peasant cretin on July 02, 2022, 03:15:31 pm
Been mucking about with non-material superiority fort combats since end of 2021. With the main changes to vanilla's combat since 34.11 being 2014's tile-positional/attack-aiming momentum amplifiers versus 2016's addition of unmoderated force transfer and armor wear.
When you mute force transfer, you get 2014 but with armor wear and limb protections. That reduces armored combat to a few low contact area weapons with everything else being not useful.
10 and 20 contact areas make percussion pretty unconditional and favor the level creep advantage where Lvl14's get 2X momentum, which sort of doesnt (to me) make the most of a momentum stacking system governed by dogpile conditions.
Irrespective of succumb or repel invasion, I really didnt want to see an average athleticsim dorf handle a super gooned goblin or vice versa.
So I realized I wanted combats centered around highly regulated force transfer and with a standardized weapon system.
Fortifying muscle/sinew numbers in the material_template_default and the tissue_template_default's token [THICKENS_ON_STRENGTH] for muscle, plus scaling contact to 30-40 was a way to gatekeep damage.
Right now at force transfer soak and delivery being scaled between a strength baseline of 1500 up to 2250; and a weapon skill floor of level 3 to the ceiling of level 11.
Kinda fun to watch arena'd Lvl3 2250 brutes out-gooning the grandmasters. Is true to life.
Randomy random combat thoughts.
Post by: squamous on July 03, 2022, 11:45:28 pm
Post by: SQman on July 13, 2022, 01:52:16 pm
Oh, and I've also finalized Greg Keyes novels creatures, and frankly I was considering skipping a few of those. Soul-spinners and proforms play a very specific role in the soul cycle of Umbriel, which had my brain overheat. In the end I've decided to just ignore it all. Proforms are just aquatic vermin that do nothing but disgust dwarves, and soul-spinners can turn people into mindless, emotionless, yet still living husks.
Of other interesting creatures from the novels, there are the slarjei. I used the Beyond Skyrim idea of making them half-ton rodents. Josephoartigastia, a real giant rodent, weighted more than that, but a slarjei is more slender, similar to the patagonian mara in shape.
Post by: Dirtcopter77 on July 13, 2022, 03:37:16 pm
I had to rething the frequency of Elder Scrolls creatures. It seemed strange that so many (almost certainly) non-canon mounts and pets from ESO would be as common as iconic creatures such as guars and mudcrabs.
Oh, and I've also finalized Greg Keyes novels creatures, and frankly I was considering skipping a few of those. Soul-spinners and proforms play a very specific role in the soul cycle of Umbriel, which had my brain overheat. In the end I've decided to just ignore it all. Proforms are just aquatic vermin that do nothing but disgust dwarves, and soul-spinners can turn people into mindless, emotionless, yet still living husks.
Of other interesting creatures from the novels, there are the slarjei. I used the Beyond Skyrim idea of making them half-ton rodents. Josephoartigastia, a real giant rodent, weighted more than that, but a slarjei is more slender, similar to the patagonian mara in shape.
I haven't read the novels, but the Elder Scrolls has a ton of really cool stuff beneath the surface-- tons of interesting creatures and cultures that you'd never know about from playing the games unless you scour every in-game novel and environmental clue and scrap of miscellaneous dialogue for the deep lore. I like that aspect of the series, although I have to admit that some of the CHIM stuff gives me a headache. ESO may not be canon, but I can see how it would be helpful for filling out the bestiary of a mod like this.
I assume this elder scrolls mod is still a WIP? I'd be interested to see it when it's done.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 13, 2022, 06:04:40 pm
And then there was the lead modeler, who was only interested in making models that perfectly recreated what was seen in prior games (coughcoughbrumacitycough), and shot down any proposals that didnt fit with his nostalgia
Post by: peasant cretin on July 13, 2022, 06:22:45 pm
So for me, to differentiate weapon behavior categories, I have anti-armor percussives/force transfer-capable weapons as single action, meaning the AI will make the single action choice, but "lighter" edge weapons like swords allow for "follow up" actions (multi-attacks). In the vanilla game only the hydra runs multi-attack.
For example my sword stab and slash attacks have ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK, but not the pommel shots. This means if a sword & shield NPC chooses stab or slash with sword, they would be given a "follow up" action. If they choose anything else, it's just single action for them.
In the vanilla sense, the follow up could be shield bash, block, punch, bite, scratch, but not kick; as kick have the ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK which means they can never be paired up as a multi-attack for the AI.
Basically it's a way of making an NPC martial art. You could do say Art of 8 limbs or whatnot with this.
Post by: Enemy post on August 03, 2022, 12:21:13 am
In the process of making the army men, I made a discovery about castes and worldgen armies. The nameless non-histfig soldiers of worldgen aren't a normal split of whatever castes the civ's creature has. They're just a huge group of whatever the first caste is. The immediate implication is that all vanilla armies are comprised almost entirely of women, which seems interesting as a trivia thing.
From a modding perspective, it seems to imply that certain castes can be separated from the majority of NPCs doing the actual fighting, which could be used for some sort of caste-based civ. Maybe a demon invasion that has some big demons behind a mass of "imps" or something.
Post by: TomiTapio on August 05, 2022, 06:28:35 am
The nameless non-histfig soldiers of worldgen aren't a normal split of whatever castes the civ's creature has. They're just a huge group of whatever the first caste is.Thanks, added to my little "knowledge base".
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: smakemupagus on August 13, 2022, 06:25:02 pm
Banner more or less ready for Steam release :)
(https://i.imgur.com/DKwgUxx.png)
Post by: Eric Blank on September 02, 2022, 11:16:18 pm
[DESCRIPTION:A human twisted into arachnid form. Vampire-like fangs protrude from its lips, its nose cut off, eight eyes encircling its skull. It crawls across the ceiling on six long disjointed arms sticking from its ribcage, but its lower body has been twisted into a bulbous spider-like abdomen, legs gone. Its skin, fat and muscles are clear. Now you will know why you fear the night.]
[NAME:manspider:manspiders:manspider]
[CASTE_NAME:manspider:manspiders:manspider]
...
I have no recollection of writing this, but it was only three weeks old, and its in the unpublished Spellcrafts raws. I must have written this. But what sick horrors did I imagine?
Post by: ZM5 on September 04, 2022, 03:22:17 am
Post by: brewer bob on September 20, 2022, 07:33:43 pm
I've been working on and off on a personal mod/mod-pack for some time (last couple years maybe?), and now it seems that after a fourth (or fifth?) time doing things from scratch I'm finally at the point that it should be playable. Or at least the majority of stuff I wanted in is there.
Feels weird that the main work is "done".
Horrified at the thought of how riddled with bugs and broken reactions it will be... Just need to now find some motivation to test the stuff and see how badly it sucks.
Post by: ZM5 on September 21, 2022, 06:12:27 am
So.Don't worry about it, always gotta start somewhere. My stuff was pretty broken too before I discovered there was an errorlog
I've been working on and off on a personal mod/mod-pack for some time (last couple years maybe?), and now it seems that after a fourth (or fifth?) time doing things from scratch I'm finally at the point that it should be playable. Or at least the majority of stuff I wanted in is there.
Feels weird that the main work is "done".
Horrified at the thought of how riddled with bugs and broken reactions it will be... Just need to now find some motivation to test the stuff and see how badly it sucks.
Post by: brewer bob on September 21, 2022, 11:32:56 am
If things work fine, well, maybe I'll do a lite version and release it (that is, if I get permission to include bits and pieces from other mods).
Post by: TomiTapio on September 26, 2022, 07:49:09 am
Yeah, fortunately I realized the existence of errorlog.txt quite early on - saved quite a lot of extra work many times. So far all errors and duplicate raws should be fixed. I'm expecting stuff to be needlessly complicated (in addition to broken reactions) and too different from vanilla, but as long as I'm keeping this as a personal mod thingie, it's not such a big deal.Reactions playtesting should take only one hour.
Balance-tuning the new weapons and monsters is hard. Arena mode might help there.
You have myself and Deon's permission to borrow things from OldGenesis. oh boy so much morale/tantrums/enemycivs tuning.
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 26, 2022, 08:38:38 am
Don't tell me there was an error log ALL THIS TIME.
DAMMIT-
Post by: SQman on September 30, 2022, 03:13:16 am
The Dilophoboa, unfortunately, has a frill and is stated to be venomous and capable of spitting said venom. I figured that spitting cobra DNA could explain that in a way that makes some sense.
Did you guys know that many snakes have just one lung? Well, boas have two, but one is vestigal and not funcional. Dilophoboa has this kind of thing going on too. Stabbing its left lung with a spear will not impair its breathing.
Honestly, I think I'll prioritize canon hybrids (Indominus, Indoraptor, Scorpios) and release the mod in alpha version. I've been working hard, yet I haven't shown anything yet.
Edit:
Three new bosses for Dino Hybrid mod!
Indominus rex - the size of a giant and the fighting skills of a minotaur combined in the body of a mutant reptile. Probably not the most dangerous of all megabeasts, but certainly more deadly than semi-megas.
Indoraptor - a living weapon, extremely fast and with high combat skills. It is a semimegabeast because it lacks the size of its predecessor, but don't underestimate it.
Scorpios rex - a disturbing prototype hybrid in the state of constant, savage rage. It is a two ton monster with many ways to kill - bite, scratch, kick, slice with its sickle claw, and most importantly sting with its poisonous spines, causing debilitating pain, serious swelling, and paralysis.
All three can be tamed, but whether you should is another question entirely.
I'll make the Sino-Spino next, then some light testing, then release the mod.
Post by: KittyTac on October 05, 2022, 04:18:21 am
Code: [Select]
[CREATURE:SKUNK]
[DESCRIPTION:A small black and white mammal. It is capable of spraying a stinking fluid.]
[NAME:skunk:skunks:skunk]
[CASTE_NAME:skunk:skunks:skunk]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:skunk kit:skunk kits]
[CREATURE_TILE:'s'][COLOR:0:0:1]
[CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]
[PETVALUE:50]
[PET_EXOTIC]
[VISION_ARC:50:310]
[NATURAL]
[BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE_FOREST]
[BIOME:SHRUBLAND_TEMPERATE]
[BIOME:SAVANNA_TEMPERATE]
[BIOME:GRASSLAND_TEMPERATE]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
[BENIGN][MEANDERER]
[PREFSTRING:distinctive striping]
[PREFSTRING:foul smell]
[BODY:QUADRUPED_NECK:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:4TOES_FQ_REG:5TOES_RQ_REG:MOUTH:RODENT_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODYGLOSS:PAW]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:NORMAL_STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[SELECT_TISSUE:HAIR]
[INSULATION:200]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BODY_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS:HAIR]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NORMAL_NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SPRAY:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen spray]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen spray]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:spray]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:spray]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:spray gas]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:spray gas]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[EVAPORATES]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:nausea]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SKUNK:ALL]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SKUNK_MAN:ALL]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:GIANT_SKUNK:ALL]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:ABRUPT:BP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:ALL:START:0:END:1:DWF_STRETCH:40]
[CE_NAUSEA:SEV:50:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0:END:20:DWF_STRETCH:40]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:50:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0:END:5:DWF_STRETCH:40]
[CE_MENT_ATT_CHANGE:WILLPOWER:-90:0:SIZE_DILUTES:ABRUPT:START:0:END:5:DWF_STRETCH:40]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:400]
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:2000]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:4000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[MAXAGE:10:15]
[ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:STANCE:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:NAIL]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
[CDI:ADV_NAME:Spray]
[CDI:USAGE_HINT:NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE]
[CDI:USAGE_HINT:TORMENT]
[CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
[CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:BODY_LOWER]
[CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SPRAY:TRAILING_VAPOR_FLOW]
[CDI:VERB:spray:sprays:NA]
[CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:5]
[CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:1000]
[CHILD:1]
[CREPUSCULAR]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_QUADRUPED_GAITS:1945:1504:1062:548:3100:4500] 16 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph, NO DATA
[SWIMS_INNATE]
[MUNDANE]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SET_BP_GROUP:BY_TYPE:LOWERBODY][BP_ADD_TYPE:GELDABLE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:STRIPES_BLACK_WHITE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]Suggest more animal additions like this!
Post by: Eric Blank on October 05, 2022, 04:36:27 pm
I also did swarms of biting locusts as a regional mist in savanna and grasslands biomes once. it was horrifying.
Post by: ZM5 on October 05, 2022, 05:07:42 pm
Ive been thinking about porcupine quills too and havent come up with a good way to implement them. As an attack using the tissue layer? that injects a painful "quills stuck in skin" syndrome? No matter how you do it its gonna be weird.It's gonna be pretty weird, but yeah, a syndrome inducer attached to an attack using a quill-covered body part seems to be the least odd way for a realistic porcupine.
I also did swarms of biting locusts as a regional mist in savanna and grasslands biomes once. it was horrifying.
The swarm idea is lovely, I like that.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760522588992307291/1026218929355501650/unknown.png)
Nearly done making a small horror pack update with a playable race. Nothing new in regards to workshops, but it should be fun to play as a monster mash going up against some of the other monster civs as well as the ostensibly "good guy" civs like dwarves and humans.
Post by: SQman on October 08, 2022, 07:41:00 am
Post by: FantasticDorf on October 09, 2022, 12:17:01 pm
Post by: ZM5 on October 12, 2022, 08:06:37 am
No horrid or hostile creatures for the time being, just working on some plants. Partially to fill out the world with fantasy plantlife a bit but also as a setup for an alchemy system in fort mode and adventure mode.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on October 13, 2022, 03:28:54 am
Anyone ever tried playing as a gremlin civ? It's wacky.
Post by: SQman on October 21, 2022, 02:24:40 am
Other than that, all hybrids got some aggression, violence, and discipline. Wouldn't want a monster dinosaur to run from hairy manlets with pointy sticks.
Post by: brewer bob on November 12, 2022, 03:33:08 pm
I've been working on and off on a personal mod/mod-pack for some time (last couple years maybe?), and now it seems that after a fourth (or fifth?) time doing things from scratch I'm finally at the point that it should be playable.
I actually went and redid this one more time, simplifying stuff quite a bit (I guess when you yourself are left wondering "how the hell does this work?", it's maybe time to rethink & redo those parts). Now it should be in a slightly better state and testing can commence.
Post by: alamoes on November 13, 2022, 01:08:09 am
>When you realize that crossbow bolts are 1.75x0.01 meters long (or a variation of, it's a flying brick), and everyone who's made a gun mod has made their bullets about in scale of that. Bullet size 80 cm^3 is like shooting a big rock at someone. Lel.
Spoiler: loadout (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: testing logs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: wounds (click to show/hide)
I also made other civil war weapons, like the 1842 musket, the enfield, and a couple modern weapons, like the AK47, which has a tendency to puncture lungs.
Spoiler: The Science (click to show/hide)
Might post a weapons pack, but I'm just messing around in the arena right now.
Post by: Enemy post on November 22, 2022, 01:03:53 pm
Post by: Splint on November 22, 2022, 03:10:04 pm
So far a test fort is going okay, they and their gear don't throw any errors and the test even helped me find a problem with SVE surprisingly enough (turns out the problem was the drakelings not having their race name set properly.)
Speaking of SVE, I still need to figure out why my arsenical bronze reactions aren't working properly. They output the right stuff, but unless a small bug regarding the quantity of reagents was the issue, then there's something else going on cause I put reaction classes on the relavent stuff and yet it still says the reaction's able to be run even when there's no arsenicables on hand.
Post by: brewer bob on November 22, 2022, 03:28:50 pm
Now it should be in a slightly better state and testing can commence.
Oh god, the amount of copy-paste errors and typos in reagents I've made... This might take some time to try out since I'm apparently "blind" to my own text and have missed most when going through the raws. Welp.
Post by: SQman on November 25, 2022, 04:05:18 am
Before I reupload it, I'm bringing the mod to modern standards: making arthropods more anatomically correct, splitting mammals file into multiple smaller ones, adding [CREATURE_CLASS:ASHIMMUNE] where appropriate, some other stuff.
I looked back at the latest batch of creatures, namely demons. I've left the lilim without interactions.
For completion's sake, I'll also add a minor lust demon, the jahi - a feminine fiend that lack the subtlety of the succubus - instead of draining life essence in an abstract way, they drain it with blood. Jahi also have bird-like talons and scorpion tails.
I'm also finally merging the Guide with my unreleased Cavern fauna. Only now I'm realizing how much work there's left :-\ Well, nobody is forcing me to do this; I'm doing it for fun.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 25, 2022, 06:57:44 pm
Post by: Enemy post on November 26, 2022, 12:17:19 pm
Im mostly drawing sprites, and realizing how much i dont know about drawing sprites. Worst part is, I have no idea how theyll look in the upcoming version of the game. Using them in the current version isnt very enlightening.
Couldn't you photoshop them into the released screenshots of the new version?
Post by: Eric Blank on November 26, 2022, 02:46:58 pm
Post by: brushapocalypse on November 26, 2022, 04:55:57 pm
Post by: dikbutdagrate on November 29, 2022, 05:36:24 pm
Includes mass extinction events and subsequent evolutionary radiation of the surviving creatures to fill in the perceived gaps in the ecosystem.
"The climate change drastically effected the oceans, wiping out 70% of all marine life. As a consequence, animals from the land began to return to the ocean in mass."
In the above case, you might get sea-monkeys (or perhaps sea-apes), as well as fluffy kitty plesiosaurs.
You the run the script before world-gen and what happens is, let's say in the case of a randomly determined mass marine life extinction, the function backs up your root folder's creature raws, and then proceeds to remove 70% of all of the aquatic animals in those raws. Next, the script goes through and picks random land creatures to spawn new sub-species to fill the new gaps in the bio-sphere. Those selected creatures have their raws duplicated and then modified to fill a role. Depending on what role is needed, the creature may receive new body proportions, traits, or even limbs, in order to feed on their new diet or to protect themselves from predators. Additional elements added are to their name and description. Finally a new creature_radiant_evolution.txt is written to the object/raw/ folder which contains the new species. And you're free to run world-gen.
Theres another approach that was the original idea, where creatures would evolve over time but on a scale that would allow the player to observe the phenomena, as world-gen slows down to much by year 200 alone, to even consider trying to let it run to year 2,000,000. The script was going to produce produce a number of each variant with a sliding scale of the augmented physical features. But the tricky part here was in figuring out how to temporally limit when each variant would and wouldn't spawn in a world. There might be a way to do it, but IDK. The idea was that in a world that is 200 years old, a player might notice in addition to the normal domestic cats present, there are also "Urist fruit cats" that they'll find running around, which are not carnivorous and instead eat fruit. While a world that is 2000 years old, that same player might begin to notice that these cats now possess 6 meter long necks they use to grab high-hanging fruit out of trees, and additionally now possess impressively large molars, that are broad and flat, which these cats can use to casually break through coconut husks.
Post by: voliol on November 30, 2022, 06:53:54 am
-snip-
Oh wow, that sounds cool. Is there a notion of what can eat what, or is it just a general thing where every carnivore can hunt any small-enough prey, and every non-carnivore eating all kinds of plants. Considering the vanilla raws don't give much info about this beyond GRAZER, SPECIFIC_FOOD, CARNIVORE, VERMIN_HUNTER, and ROOT_AROUND.
Post by: Rumrusher on December 01, 2022, 02:28:47 am
but after getting the creature raws fixed I just ended up with a creature that turns into a sword that just cuts into foes with extreme sharpness.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302956330304667649/1047774520758505513/boyfriend-dungeon-mod-test.gif)
which after that I realize I could have been making creatures that attack by using social/passive skills instead of combat skills so one could make a bard creature that sings someone's limbs off.
or someone who a novelist write someone's death in.
and combats skills train on each attack so someone with no reading could gain the ability to read through violence.
Post by: Enemy post on December 05, 2022, 01:30:20 pm
Updating time is coming.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 05, 2022, 01:57:11 pm
And I have no idea how to actually use them!
Post by: Flying Teasets on December 06, 2022, 03:28:46 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 06, 2022, 05:25:25 pm
Whole site seems to be falling apart unfortunately. Hopefully just a temporary thing.
Post by: Trainzack on December 07, 2022, 06:06:14 am
Also, so weird to have a release and nowhere here to post issues as we come across them..
The Kitfox discord has a DF bug report forum that already has over 100 bug reports. That's available, at least.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 07, 2022, 08:43:50 am
Post by: SQman on December 07, 2022, 10:50:00 am
I wanted to upload Dino Hybrids to steam, but I got annoyed big time. Also, thinking about graphics makes me feel anxious. This is all too overwhelming for me. I'm considering sticking to the free version, but I like the idea of my mods actually getting downloaded and played. This whole situation is not good for my mental health, that much I know lmao
Post by: Eric Blank on December 07, 2022, 11:23:24 am
The skill ID for engraving has changed, it's not DETAILSTONE anymore. I've also tried ENGRAVER, ENGRAVING, STONECARVER, and STONECARVING. None of those are correct.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 07, 2022, 11:30:36 am
Steam is everything but user friendly when it comes to uploading mods and editing entries, and it pisses me off. If you can upload images through Steam, why can't you do the same with a thumbnail? Why do you have to do the text formatting manually? Why aren't there convenient buttons for that? Is that so difficult to program?
I wanted to upload Dino Hybrids to steam, but I got annoyed big time. Also, thinking about graphics makes me feel anxious. This is all too overwhelming for me. I'm considering sticking to the free version, but I like the idea of my mods actually getting downloaded and played. This whole situation is not good for my mental health, that much I know lmao
Don't stress yourself out over it. Take your time and if nothing else leave it on the free version. There is no deadline.
There will be many mods that don't make it to steam due to the graphic requirement alone.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 07, 2022, 11:34:37 am
Instead I think I am going to turn those mods into something else.
Post by: TomiTapio on December 07, 2022, 07:39:20 pm
The skill ID for engraving has changed, it's not DETAILSTONE anymore. I've also tried ENGRAVER, ENGRAVING, STONECARVER, and STONECARVING. None of those are correct.Try also ENGRAVE, DETAIL, CARVE, STONECARVE, STONEDETAIL, ENGRAVESTONE
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 07, 2022, 08:11:38 pm
ENGRAVE_STONEThe skill ID for engraving has changed, it's not DETAILSTONE anymore. I've also tried ENGRAVER, ENGRAVING, STONECARVER, and STONECARVING. None of those are correct.Try also ENGRAVE, DETAIL, CARVE, STONECARVE, STONEDETAIL, ENGRAVESTONE
(Make an embark profile with all the skills that seem to have changed to check them).
Post by: Untrustedlife on December 07, 2022, 08:22:13 pm
I was going to port over Human Fortress and Goblin Fortress, but it looks like All Races Playable already made it onto the workshop.
Instead I think I am going to turn those mods into something else.
The ones on the workshiop have pretty limited features. I would suggest still port over those two.
Post by: Enemy post on December 07, 2022, 08:52:43 pm
Steam is everything but user friendly when it comes to uploading mods and editing entries, and it pisses me off. If you can upload images through Steam, why can't you do the same with a thumbnail? Why do you have to do the text formatting manually? Why aren't there convenient buttons for that? Is that so difficult to program?
I wanted to upload Dino Hybrids to steam, but I got annoyed big time. Also, thinking about graphics makes me feel anxious. This is all too overwhelming for me. I'm considering sticking to the free version, but I like the idea of my mods actually getting downloaded and played. This whole situation is not good for my mental health, that much I know lmao
If graphics are an issue for Dino Hybrids, feel free to take whatever you need from Primal. I should have the mod on Steam soon, so you’ll be able to see how the file side works as well.
Post by: brolol.404 on December 07, 2022, 08:55:17 pm
I was going to port over Human Fortress and Goblin Fortress, but it looks like All Races Playable already made it onto the workshop.
Instead I think I am going to turn those mods into something else.
The ones on the workshiop have pretty limited features. I would suggest still port over those two.
I am working on porting Human Fortress over as a mod that replaces all civs with my humans. I should have it done by the end of the week once I finish the art for all of the workshops.
I am not sure on my plans for Goblin Fortress. I may port that one over after.
Post by: Meph on December 07, 2022, 10:05:40 pm
Huh. This works. Neat. Sadly not possible for different material versions.
Post by: kiiranaux on December 07, 2022, 10:49:16 pm
Don't stress yourself out over it. Take your time and if nothing else leave it on the free version. There is no deadline.
There will be many mods that don't make it to steam due to the graphic requirement alone.
Very much my philosophy with Highfantasy. Mods with low graphic requirements will make it over first, followed by graphic mods. I made a multi-day plan for the early stages of conversion, and I'll let the graphics trickle in after that.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 08, 2022, 03:27:16 am
Post by: kiiranaux on December 08, 2022, 10:39:45 am
Post by: MaxTheFox on December 08, 2022, 11:02:17 am
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 08, 2022, 09:44:33 pm
I've been generating lots of worlds, and for some reason my minotaur civ, once rulers of the world (Urist likes minotaurs for their grand cities) are having a hard time in worldgen. Poor fellas spend more time building tombs than going out conquering.
Always fascinating to see how a behind the scenes balance tweak/bug fix can affect things. So, will be spending plenty of time tweaking my own numbers and generating worlds and hopefully interface issues and ascii options will all be done by the time I get to actually play anything. :)
Post by: kiiranaux on December 08, 2022, 11:22:31 pm
No such luck on my end. I just loaded in my conversion to vanilla after a couple dozen hours of updating the raws, and I can't make it through loading the mod's objects (in the load order after the vanilla objects). Which would normally be fine - bugs are opportunities - but I can't find anything resembling an errorlog. Not sure how to troubleshoot this without a readout on where the crash is sourced.
Anyone observe anything that might help?
Edit - this has something to do with duplicating vanilla files. Will continue to troubleshoot and post findings.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 08, 2022, 11:46:29 pm
Post by: kiiranaux on December 09, 2022, 12:15:40 am
Post by: brolol.404 on December 09, 2022, 12:46:54 pm
I was going to port over Human Fortress and Goblin Fortress, but it looks like All Races Playable already made it onto the workshop.
Instead I think I am going to turn those mods into something else.
The ones on the workshiop have pretty limited features. I would suggest still port over those two.
I ported over Human Fortress, but renamed it Age of Man as someone else has already uploaded a mod called Human Fortress. Age of Man has some changes on the steam version though, mainly that all other races have been removed from game.
Post by: Splint on December 09, 2022, 03:54:41 pm
Post by: kiiranaux on December 09, 2022, 04:40:04 pm
I empathize. I've spent upwards of 80 hours on highfantasy and havn't quite hit graphics yet. It's a yikes. But I'm looking forward to playing, even if it's by myself with 100s of invisible graphics and placeholders, for now.
Post by: Splint on December 10, 2022, 05:19:34 pm
Splint - as one among many who's still using your content, you may find it easiest to get it working with DF classic (hopefully in the next couple weeks), and then slowly build up graphical support from there. That's basically my approach for now.
I empathize. I've spent upwards of 80 hours on highfantasy and havn't quite hit graphics yet. It's a yikes. But I'm looking forward to playing, even if it's by myself with 100s of invisible graphics and placeholders, for now.
Oh I'll update it for the non-graphical version. However just the equipment by itself will demand multiple sheets for every main race, and accounting for all of SVE's added mats and vanilla's. To me it'd be a fool's errand to do by myself.
I'd already given up on adding even just tileset support due to a combination of having never understood how to implement them when they were far simpler and the sheer volume of creatures and so on. I had hoped this release would have made the graphics easier to understand, but they really haven't and made them far more involved.
Petty as it is to say, it's just not worth it to me personally to provide graphical support. I can and intend to make the updates to SVE (most of what I need to edit concern's the vanilla file edits along with some very minor entity edits to remove architects) but graphics just aren't in the cards.
Post by: Enemy post on December 10, 2022, 05:46:39 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 10, 2022, 06:30:20 pm
So, OK, Troglodytes are an actual civ (cave-dwelling baby snatchers) in my mod. But...here we have a human hamlet with only human historical figures (can't check the exact pops yet which is frustrating) which is part of a human civ.
And they've formed a new religion. For troglodytes.
All the historical figure members are human. That is interesting. Did this kind of thing happen in the previous version? I don't recall seeing anything similar. Other civs picking up their neighbours religions, sure, that happens all the time.
--edit
And their monasteries all have troglodyte names. Ha ha.
Post by: SQman on December 12, 2022, 07:46:48 am
(https://i.imgur.com/LbrMVwu.png)
Those are Dsungascorpius (Pulmonoscorpius + Dsungaripterus + Miragaia), and Alacranix (enhanced Pulmonoscorpius). I'm quite happy with how they turned out, especially the Alacranix.
As you can see, those are ust somewhat edited bark scorpions, but what is the Pulmonoscorpius, really? I'll be honest, the last time iI used GIMP was in middle school, and it took me some time to figure out how it works. How happy I was when I realized you can turn on grid.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 12, 2022, 05:10:17 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 12, 2022, 07:26:04 pm
A bunch of them are "Adept Skill1". Which used to be my alchemists. Hope we get a little more modability there in the future.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 12, 2022, 08:39:54 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on December 12, 2022, 08:47:52 pm
I got spellcrafts running in 50.02. Got one really ugly conjuring circle building sprite and sprites for all the tools.
I had to cut a couple civs too, the expansionist wizard civ and mountain elves, because theyre causing an unavoidable "placed farming civ without non-orchard crops" map reject preventing worlds from generating. Havent figured out why yet.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 12, 2022, 11:14:39 pm
--
But, of course as things are never easy, simply replacing the minotaur civ's Site and Biome info with that of the lion people doesn't work and we're back with apathetic minotaurs (in the Savanna). Hmph.
I can only imagine it's one of those really annoying bugs like the "if you have high free time propensity but no fish cleaning ability, the civ will break" bug.
Post by: Jazzpirat! on December 13, 2022, 08:47:38 am
I'm currently just trying to just get my first entity to work properly. I've encountered a number of strange issues. Initially, it suffered from crashes upon loading a saved game (not even a saved fortress, it would crash even if I returned to main menu after creating the world, then opened it again). This was simply due to using a bunch of outdated raws, which I've fixed. Now I'm encountering a crash upon saving, seemingly after my fortress achieves a certain population. I'm not even sure if it's my mod, or just some classic post-release bugginess causing it. It could be that my noble positions are still outdated in some way, or so.
One thing's for certain: Human/aboveground fortresses are a whole lot easier to handle in Steam DF, and great fun.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 13, 2022, 10:15:41 am
[RIVER_PRODUCTS]
[OCEAN_PRODUCTS]
[GEM_PREF]
[OUTDOOR_WOOD]
[OUTDOOR_FARMING]
[OUTDOOR_GARDENS]
[INDOOR_FARMING]
[INDOOR_GARDENS]
[OUTDOOR_ORCHARDS]
So, it's either a trade change (minotaurs are poor, so all die), or a food thing (minotaurs need farms or they all starve).
The other product tags that minotaurs had in 47.05 were:
[STONE_PREF]
[METAL_PREF]
[USE_CAVE_ANIMALS]
[US_EVIL_ANIMALS]
[USE_EVIL_PLANTS]
[USE_EVIL_WOOD]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_MOUNT]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PET]
[USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
[USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
Which was enough. Not any more.
Well this is good news. Was missing having my fortresses wiped out by a wave of steel-clad giant cows.
--edit
(And, yeah, it was the farming. Adding indoor and outdoor farming puts things back to normal).
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 13, 2022, 05:31:41 pm
Minotaurs have taken over the world, and spammed it with monasteries apparently. Good good.
Gobbo island on the right there looks like a fun place to visit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4yYJM4KF/Minatour-world.png)
Post by: SQman on December 14, 2022, 12:20:25 pm
Non-dino reptiles:
Carbotoceratops = Carbonemys + Nasutoceratops
Coelhaast = Coelurosauravus + Haast's eagle
Dakoderma = Dakosaurus + Psephoderma
Dilophoboa = Titanoboa + Dilophosaurus
Diplosuchus = Diplocaulus + Irritator + Sarcosuchus
Dunkleosaurus = Dunkleosteus + Mosasaurus
They look... somewhat decent? Again, I'm no artist, and I hope to improve as I go.
Edit:
There are two stray pixels under the undead baby Diplosuchus tail. I fixed that, don't worry.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 15, 2022, 03:13:23 am
Post by: IndigoFenix on December 15, 2022, 05:14:40 am
Already released the Endbringers. Will probably do Dwarf Bread next.
Fortal Kombat will be a good chance to experiment with syndromes without changing the core game too much. Apparently syndrome graphics are a thing now, and making graphics for hybrids and cyborgs seems fun. Most of the races are basically human there so less work with sprites necessary.
Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom will be a doozy though...
Post by: Immortal-D on December 15, 2022, 04:16:58 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 15, 2022, 05:18:07 pm
I went back to my roots and made most furniture & items craftable from cheese :DLike soap, but edible. Good choice.
Post by: SQman on December 20, 2022, 08:24:06 am
(https://i.imgur.com/pNdLRjl.png)
Allodrigues = Rodrigues solitaire + Allosaurus + Velociraptor
Argenteryx = Archaeopteryx + Argentavis
Claridon = Dimorphodon + Stygimoloch/Parasaurolophus + "tropical bird"
Dodocevia = dodo + Inostrancevia
Post by: Bihlbo on December 21, 2022, 02:57:24 pm
[REAGENT:ash bar:150:BAR
and
[REAGENT:stone block:150:BLOCKS
produce wildly different quantities of items to be required! lol Pay attention to standard dimension information, me.
Post by: Noagga76 on December 22, 2022, 05:56:06 pm
Turns out, once you've read over the wiki and stared at the raws for a bit, modding aint so hard.
Post by: SQman on December 23, 2022, 04:59:39 am
Gelfling will probably be the easiest of all the races, since it'd just have to be a slight modification to elves plus women who can fly.
I'd avoid making flying civilized creatures. The pathing is weird, and flying visitors often end up stuck in the air forever (that is, until you decide to murder them).
Oh, and me? I'm almost done with amphibian sprites. Expect to see a lot of modified alligators.
I plan the first update to have sprites for everything other than actual dinosaurs, meaning I have to do mammals and synapsids. Dinosaurs are not only numerous, but also somewhat complicated, because there are no living creatures resembling a Spinosaurus or a Brachiosaurus.
Post by: brushapocalypse on December 23, 2022, 11:44:50 am
The lack of arena mode is a real stumbling block, though. I'm so used to just opening it up and seeing if the errorlog spits anything out. Now I need to actually generate worlds!
Post by: Eric Blank on December 23, 2022, 11:49:46 am
I plan the first update to have sprites for everything other than actual dinosaurs, meaning I have to do mammals and synapsids. Dinosaurs are not only numerous, but also somewhat complicated, because there are no living creatures resembling a Spinosaurus or a Brachiosaurus.
That just means it's harder to do it wrong!
I've been slowly making sprites to update Spellcrafts. I've got it in a fully playable state, even though none of it looks good by comparison to vanilla objects. Not yet attempted to figure put why the two civs keep throwing up errors yet, not enough time to mod or play games in general lately.
Post by: Sanix_Prime on December 23, 2022, 09:58:20 pm
One is just a workshop that lets you queue jobs that turn your dwarves legendary; each job offers a million experience in a specific skill. Only thing it needs is a new graphic; right now it looks like a screw press. Reactions don't give skill experience unless they have a product, so I made it require a special puzzlebox for input and produce an identical one for output - the dwarves 'use' the puzzlebox to learn skills. Kind of janky but that's what works.
The other is a creature mod that adds an inorganic crab that yields the ore of a steel-equivalent metal when butchered. The metal has a material value of 1 so it won't spike the value output of your fortress. The creature data is kind of cobbled together from the pig, bronze colossus and crab raws, and right now it just uses the placeholder sprite, so there's plenty of room for polish in this one. I was planning on removing the eyes and flames from the magma crab sprite if I can figure out how to insert the graphics back into the game.
Obviously these are both cheat mods. Once I get some kind of graphics figured out I'll upload them to Steam.
Post by: Hotty gremlin on December 24, 2022, 12:07:08 am
Turkeys lay less eggs, not only due to game balance reasons but also for the fact that they lay less eggs than other domesticated fowl in real life. Pet values for the yak and water buffalo have been increased in proportion to their meat yield.
Giant animals will be getting unique descriptions rather than the more formulaic ones in vanilla. For instance:
Giant Leech:
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A repulsive monster in the form of a gigantic leech. It feeds by overpowering prey and boring into them to consume blood and viscera.
Giant Snail:
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A great snail the size of an ox. It lives to eat and seems only dimly aware of its surroundings.
Giant Crab:
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A great beastly crab with a terrible temperament. It will violently displace competing scavengers when feeding on beached whales.
Giant insects are my first focus and will be getting creature variations that allow for them to have a child(nymph) stage, longer lifespans and the ability to lay eggs. The amount of eggs laid is roughly equivalent to domestic poultry so it won't be a case of "Well technically mosquitos lay a thousand eggs so let's send it". This first wave of bug-specific changes are what I'm working on like, this moment, because gigantic bug monsters are about as cool as you can get conceptually but are currently pretty half baked.
Up next on the docket will be sussing out what giant creatures are missing what attacks and anatomy. Giant animals modeled after vermin sometimes lack some basic attacks. Giant arthropods will have the ability to batter and grapple enemies with their limbs. Any lizard large enough to engage in combat will get a tail attack, seeing as that's not at all unheard of in nature.
Animals that should reasonably excel in certain combat skills will do so innately to make up for any blind spots in combat modeling. Dogs being better biters than average, giant crabs being legendary wrestlers, cougars and big cats being innately stealthy, so on and so forth. Livestock being innately talented kickers makes sense and would be funny so I'll do that. The town drunk getting his teeth rearranged by an ornery mule is good training for your surgeon, if anything.
Every animal that could reasonably be trained for hunting or war purposes will gain that ability. Badgers may not be up to snuff for regimented warfare, but make perfect sense as a hunting companion. Likewise, giant badgers are a natural fit for either duty.
Animal people are the result of a lot of c_variation trickery and it's gonna take me a little while to untangle and fine tune some stuff, but I have some alternate flavor text drafted out to at least give their descriptions some personality. For example:
Polar bear man:
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A tremendous white humanoid bear. It thrives where the bitter cold would kill from exposure.
Brown recluse man:
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A small and gracile arachnid person with six spindly arms and the fanged face of a spider. Its drab appearance belies a destructive venom.
Anaconda man:
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A large and stout snake person, cryptically colored as to blend in to the underbrush.
Post by: SQman on December 24, 2022, 08:10:11 am
(https://i.imgur.com/DGC5h0P.png)
Antarctovenator = Diplocaulus + Antarctopelta + Concavenator
Bagehesaurus = Bageherpeton + Edaphosaurus
Diplotator = Diplocaulus + Irritator
Diplovenator = Diplocaulus + Concavenator
The alligator sprite sure did come in handy.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 26, 2022, 10:38:32 pm
Now i need to figure out how to upload to Steam
[edit]
I did it!
Post by: kiiranaux on January 01, 2023, 04:53:44 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 01, 2023, 08:38:45 pm
Post by: brewer bob on January 02, 2023, 08:38:50 am
Guess it's time to gen a new world and see what actually playing it feels like!
Post by: SQman on January 05, 2023, 09:50:33 am
(https://i.imgur.com/ccqggFx.png)
Ankylocodon = Ankylosaurus + Ophiacodon (I'm not really happy with this one)
Acrocanthops = Arctops + Acrocanthosaurus
Albertocevia = Albertosaurus + Edaphosaurus + Inostrancevia
Andrewtops = Andrewsarchus + Glyptodon + Arctops (Dwarves spray-paint trained Andrewtops' heads)
Dakotanops = Dakotaraptor + Gorgonops (I am really happy with this one)
Dimetrocarnus = Dimetrodon + Carnotaurus + Pyroraptor
The alligator sprite continues being useful
Post by: brewer bob on January 05, 2023, 07:42:55 pm
Just got some animal person tribe merchants arrive as well as an elf envoy with the elf caravan. The elf was disturbingly enough carrying a dwarf skull totem in his hand. Wonder what he's trying to tell with that?
Oh, and a bunch of migrants arrived. One of them is a mummy clerk who worships a god of jealousy and writing. Sounds like a decent fellow to have around.
Also, it's raining goblin blood.
Post by: comicraider on January 09, 2023, 07:19:06 pm
No idea what I'm doing and too lazy to look at the wiki's guide, but this is what I got so far.
https://imgur.com/a/gyGPZ54 (can't remember how images work, haven't been on here in a while.)
Post by: Tiler on January 10, 2023, 04:29:00 am
I think they just don't have access to the plant but reactions somehow give it the flour while ignoring that the reaction requires, you know, having the plant in the first place.
Post by: Elbow on January 13, 2023, 01:15:05 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/J7EHQQW.png)
I never have, toad wizard. I never have. :'(
(An aside, but what's the etiquette/legal mumbojumbo when it comes to posting what we're doing when what we're doing involves Premium sprites. I understand we can't freely distribute whole mods that reuse/recycle the premium sprites, and those mods should be kept to the Steam store, but what actually counts here? Like I was thinking of just using vanilla dwarf heads and I'm using vanilla statues for scale since layered sprites are all chopped up by default. I took it upon myself to draw over them for my purposes shitposting here - if I hadn't, they'd have been trivial to yoink. Was that necessary or am I being... overly conscientious/downright paranoid?)
Post by: comicraider on January 13, 2023, 05:26:13 pm
Post by: GadgetPatch on January 13, 2023, 09:18:50 pm
The general idea so far:
- Kobolds have local-only government, with no central monarch supporting your expedition, so your settlement is largely on it's own.
- Diplomacy and trade are technically options, but your Kobolds aren't particularly well-liked, so positive relations are an uphill battle.
- Kobolds are prone to banditry, and even your own civ can splinter off into rogue camps that might give you trouble.
- As your settlement grows, all military and social leaders become elected mini-nobles, who demand trinkets and special treatment.
- Kobolds tend to bond quickly, and have multiple kids which grow up as fast as animals, to make up for the low immigration.
- A broader range of intelligent creatures/monsters can petition to settle at your camp, like harpies and serpent-folk.
- You can metal-craft, but you'll need to acquire anvils from your neighbors. And alloys, if you want to use harder metal than copper or lead.
- Due to being tiny, Kobolds use smaller weapons and tools, though some Dwarf weapons can be 2-handed by particularly mighty kobolds.
- Kobolds are anxious little critters, and tend to flee or go catatonic in melee. They do best with war animals, traps, and ranged weapons.
- To round out their ranged damage types, they can use cloth and leather slings, which use Throwing skill to deal ranged blunt damage.
- When they can't steal, they rely on wood, stone, and animal products. Expanded bone, shell, scale, ceramic, and wood crafting are available.
- Kobolds have access to unique animals, like large cave rats for meat, dog-sized wooly spiders for silk, or helmet snakes for eggs (and venom).
- They lack artful language, but still dance and play music (with gibberish lyrics and single-note melodies, but they're doing their best (https://i.imgur.com/gaIwslN.jpg)).
And since the graphical release doesn't have a working kobold sprite sheet for most clothes and gear, I've been re-spriting all their equipment! Whoof!
(https://i.imgur.com/cNUFRRY.png)
Also pictured here are some of their new small weapons, and a few pets.
I ran into a bit of a snag trying to let them envenom their weapons and traps without DFHack. Latest attempt was a ridiculous idea, to use a crafting recipe that creates a "venom gas", which induces an inhalation syndrome that briefly panics them and enables them to use a fear-based interaction to emit venom mist from their hands and onto their weapons. But the result was weird, clumsy, and wasn't consistently triggering.
For now, they have access to several venomous war animals, and I'll probably add proper venom support when the game allows, or if I get any better ideas for doing it without hacks! Hoping to release the first draft on the Steam Workshop, and backport it to classic over the next week or so.
That pyromancy mod is finished with the help of some smarter people from this board, now I'm feeling ambitious and wish to make more types of -mancers. Starting with one revolving around either wind or water.
Always thought magic mods were a neat concept! If you're looking for ideas, interactions like PROPEL_UNIT could be neat for wind. And I think dust clouds made of fixed-temp supercold materials can make things freeze, for water.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 16, 2023, 12:01:46 am
Post by: SQman on January 17, 2023, 10:37:18 am
(https://i.imgur.com/m8oKvp9.png)
Andrewtherium = Andrewsarchus + Deinotherium
I downscaled the picture from Jurassic World Alive wiki, then did my best to convert the result to DF artstyle (still sounds weird to me). It's not looking bad, considering my complete lack of artistic skills. Vaguely looks like a mutant elephant freak.
Post by: Tiler on January 19, 2023, 01:03:40 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 19, 2023, 04:58:08 pm
I had a spat of civil violence that killed around 18 denizens, but unlike the old civil war bug, it petered out on its own. Did seem to be sparked off by an axe lord tantruming and swinging fists around and resulted in a ton of injuries but everyone got over it. I'm wondering if its because I set the KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER ethics to PERSONAL_MATTER; either allowing the violence or preventing it from becoming a death spiral.Civil violence is not a bug and happens with regular ethics too. And, yes, having it peter out is due to bug fixes as death spirals aren't fun. Now we can enjoy the occasional barroom brawl. Just make sure you have plenty of beds in the hospital. Seems to finally be working, which is nice.
It would be nice to have our Killing is Personal civs instantly murder one another like in worldgen, but that doesn't happen in fortress mode yet (except in a Fell Mood of course).
("Theft is OK" civs work. No-one reports artifact heists. Captain of the Guard has little to do but grumble about chains. Ha ha...).
Post by: Tiler on January 19, 2023, 08:39:12 pm
I had a spat of civil violence that killed around 18 denizens, but unlike the old civil war bug, it petered out on its own. Did seem to be sparked off by an axe lord tantruming and swinging fists around and resulted in a ton of injuries but everyone got over it. I'm wondering if its because I set the KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER ethics to PERSONAL_MATTER; either allowing the violence or preventing it from becoming a death spiral.Civil violence is not a bug and happens with regular ethics too. And, yes, having it peter out is due to bug fixes as death spirals aren't fun. Now we can enjoy the occasional barroom brawl. Just make sure you have plenty of beds in the hospital. Seems to finally be working, which is nice.
It would be nice to have our Killing is Personal civs instantly murder one another like in worldgen, but that doesn't happen in fortress mode yet (except in a Fell Mood of course).
("Theft is OK" civs work. No-one reports artifact heists. Captain of the Guard has little to do but grumble about chains. Ha ha...).
I noticed the theft thing too, which makes me want to know which ethic represents "I don't care if you steal from each other but steal from us, as a collective, and your guts are gonna be made into garters".
Post by: brewer bob on January 19, 2023, 09:00:17 pm
Probably this info is somewhere and maybe I understood wrong, but this is what my testing resulted in:
Code: [Select]
LOW LIGHT VISION RANGES (tested in 0.47.05):
734-10000 = 25 tiles
700-733 = 24 tiles
667-699 = 23 tiles
634-666 = 22 tiles
600-633 = 21 tiles
567-599 = 20 tiles
534-566 = 19 tiles
500-533 = 18 tiles
467-499 = 17 tiles
434-466 = 16 tiles
400-433 = 15 tiles
367-399 = 14 tiles
334-366 = 13 tiles
300-333 = 12 tiles
267-299 = 11 tiles
234-266 = 10 tiles
200-233 = 9 tiles
167-199 = 8 tiles
134-166 = 7 tiles
100-133 = 6 tiles
67-99 = 5 tiles
1-66 = 4 tiles
0 = 3 tiles
No idea why such a broad range for perfect low light vision when others are 1 tile per 33.
Post by: Rumrusher on January 20, 2023, 04:59:06 am
then I got told you could tame zombies which spiral me into making a civ of necromancers that I'm going to play around that info and see how far I could push zombie making industry.
since you could trade caged tame zombies.
said civ of necromancers are a modified raw ripped angel group of humanoids made of green glass with 3 long hanging tails that turn into swords and spread necromancer secrets via line of sight and via greeting( currently testing to see if this works)
Post by: Eric Blank on January 20, 2023, 02:51:17 pm
Also, my familiars and summoned critters have been becoming citizens too. The familiars are strictly pets for some reason still but a summoned Unnatural Child from the birth secret became a full fort member and I assigned her to the mining detail and she does in fact mine. I assigned her to the hospital but nobody's been hurt (and survived) yet so no idea if she'll take up medical professions.
I think it may be because the unnatural child doesn't have a PET tag, and familiars do. If I remove that from them and peons maybe they'll start becoming full citizens too. But I can assign them to militia squads as-is. They're just so small and wimpy and their magic abilities aren't great, so they tend to die horribly.
I'm going to push this as far as I can, because being able to summon new fort citizens in the event you don't get migrants sounds rad.
But should I make a reaction+spell for summoning actual dwarves/humans/elves/etc or just keep doing peons and familiars only?
Also my mayor was cursed by a deity in WG to turn into a giant hamster every full moon. No rampages, just inconveniences her. The curse works!
I also had a wereopposom show up on a "rampage." Because they're not CRAZED, he walked right past my door guards and entered the fort, but then got in a fight with and was mauled to death by my dogs. So, non-crazed werebeasts might not be hostile to your citizens, but may be hostile to your animals, for some reason. No idea why, but that's important to know.
Post by: brewer bob on January 20, 2023, 03:23:13 pm
I also had a wereopposom show up on a "rampage." Because they're not CRAZED, he walked right past my door guards and entered the fort, but then got in a fight with and was mauled to death by my dogs. So, non-crazed werebeasts might not be hostile to your citizens, but may be hostile to your animals, for some reason. No idea why, but that's important to know.
Could it be LARGE_PREDATOR that causes that? I think (generated) werebeasts have that token.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 20, 2023, 04:57:21 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 21, 2023, 09:21:47 am
Haven't checked too far into Legends of my latest world, but the king is a goblin-turned-necromancer experiment, the outpost liaison and most of the nobility are Dark Elves and the untamed wilds are swarming with at least three different kinds of experiments.
It feels like civilization is collapsing rather nicely.
Post by: GadgetPatch on January 22, 2023, 11:27:34 am
I'm making some kobold banditry-related tweaks, and some hidden cave-dwelling animalfolk civs, and I want to see that they're doing their thing correctly.
Post by: voliol on January 22, 2023, 12:35:57 pm
Is there a faster way to generate worlds? A setting I overlooked somewhere or something? Or is it just generating smaller worlds.
I'm making some kobold banditry-related tweaks, and some hidden cave-dwelling animalfolk civs, and I want to see that they're doing their thing correctly.
There's a command line command for generating worlds in 0.47.05 as far as I know. Though I haven't actually tried it and who knows if it still works in v50.
Just got Teh LOLmod up to v50. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178239.msg8449078#msg8449078) Well, hopefully; it worked in 0.47 and produces no errorlog messages when you create a world.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 22, 2023, 11:19:21 pm
Is there a faster way to generate worlds? A setting I overlooked somewhere or something? Or is it just generating smaller worlds.Are you playing 47.05 or 50.05? Worldgen has sped up quite a bit already. Only way to further speed it up is to ensure there are no people or sites (or only a couple), but that likely doesn't help you test your civs.
I'm making some kobold banditry-related tweaks, and some hidden cave-dwelling animalfolk civs, and I want to see that they're doing their thing correctly.
Post by: Boltgun on January 23, 2023, 05:06:17 am
You can define graphics for a workshop tile like this:
Code: [Select]
[TILE_GRAPHICS:SUCCUBUS_WORKSHOPS:0:0:WORKSHOP_CUSTOM:SUCCUBUS_MAGMAWELL:3:0:0]WORKSHOP_CUSTOM:WORKSHOP_ID indicate a custom workshop, but what about a custom furnace ? I tried FURNACE_CUSTOM, FURNACE and other variations to no results. In the absence of docs on the wiki I had to convert all furnaces into workshops.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 23, 2023, 12:30:48 pm
Post by: GadgetPatch on January 23, 2023, 03:46:43 pm
Currently trying to get eggs to be recognized as meat, by adding MEAT, BUTCHER_SPECIAL, MEAT_CATEGORY, and MEAT_NAME to the egg materials, but having no luck. I'm guessing CARNIVOREs need their food to contain an ingredient with the item class MEAT or FISH now, rather than materal tokens? And I can't think of another good way to make eggs count as MEAT items without having egg layers literally lay meat chunks that (obviously) can never hatch. I put a lot of time into making an interesting animal-based product industry for them, so it'd break my heart to make them omnivores that can just farm.
The wiki also says egg-based meals are also composed of EGGSHELL rather than EGG_WHITE or EGG_YOLK, so I made sure to add the tag to that too. Still no luck.
EDIT: Another modding hurdle; UTTERANCES critters apparently give nicknames using a random other language. I added an UTTERANCES-based language to kobolds in addition to the UTTERANCES tag, which lets them default to UTTERANCES names, but lets them assign kobold-sounding nicknames to deities, places, and notable figures. But now, if I try to randomize a name in the noun-based name picker, the game crashes 100% of the time. So probably gotta scrap that too.
Can't imagine mod-only bugs are high priority, but I wonder if it's worth reporting.
Between this, the carnivore egg problem, and the inability to apply venom the game recognizes in combat via either vanilla-style glazing reactions, crafting weapons out of syndrome-causing mats, or every hacky syndrome/vapor-emission based method I've come up with to put spatters on weapons, it's really killing my enthusiasm for working on an authentic-feeling playable kobold mod.
Are you playing 47.05 or 50.05? Worldgen has sped up quite a bit already. Only way to further speed it up is to ensure there are no people or sites (or only a couple), but that likely doesn't help you test your civs.
Ah okay, I misunderstood you is all! It's plenty fast as is, yeah.
Post by: Count10 on January 23, 2023, 08:13:24 pm
Post by: Boltgun on January 24, 2023, 04:22:31 am
I don't think you can make custom furnaces??? It's always just been workshops to my knowledge.
The process is the same but starting with BUILDING_FURNACE instead. The only difference is that the building ends up in the furnace submenu.
We have more menus now so I guess it's an old system.
Post by: brewer bob on January 24, 2023, 08:34:34 am
I don't think you can make custom furnaces??? It's always just been workshops to my knowledge.
The process is the same but starting with BUILDING_FURNACE instead. The only difference is that the building ends up in the furnace submenu.
Plus it needs an architect before it can be built.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 24, 2023, 02:06:40 pm
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Yeah, you may not be able to get kobolds to eat eggs directly. You could try a reaction to process eggs into chunks of meat from a creature, though.
For their language, try generating one with DFLang, you can still find it on DFFD. Its still the best tool ive found for generating languages quickly. Then use the output's ID in the entity translation, and make sure youve included the language file in your mod folder. Make sure your kobolds have both UTTERANCES and CAN_SPEAK. I'm not sure what could actually be causing the crash, but probably either a typo or duplicate word or something.
Oh! And you need to update the dflang word list with the current DF word list; it's from a much older version and doesn't have a bunch of new words.
@boltgun; thanks, I didn't know that.
Personally, I've been doing a lot of sprites. Sprites sprites sprites. They're ugly, I'm bad at it, it's taking forever and ever, but I don't just want to copy the sprites used in vanilla and edit them a little bit, I want to make my own. Other than a few critters that would be literally identical to a vanilla creature and therefore just use the vanilla sprites for that creature, or are using them temporarily as a stand-in until I get their sprites made.
I'm also adding back in the boiling rocks treatment for learning spells, this time it will be alongside the edible essences, so it will give a chance to inhale the gas and learn something directly, teaching your wizard to perform the spell related to that gas (if they inhale it) immediately, and also dwarves can eat essences produced later. This is still all just a stand-in for being able to write spell books dwarves can read from a reaction, since that's not currently possible. Except for a reaction to burn essences into gas. It's all work arounds for work arounds for features that won't actually be implemented for years to come. As it always has been.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 24, 2023, 08:55:16 pm
Yes, it's usually goblins, and sometimes dark elves, but on occasion, all the underworld has to offer up are plump cheese merchants. And for the first time in a great many worlds, the hobbit invasion has actually been successful. Taking over all the surrounding dwarf fortresses, burning down their libraries and building new structures to rule from with names like "The Fortress of Gerbils", "The nuts of dressing" and "The Spicy Cinnamon".
Mostly they've been lead by a series of ambitious necromancers after the initial skink demon died which probably helped.
So, ah, yeah, that works.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 24, 2023, 08:58:52 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 24, 2023, 09:00:22 pm
hmm, how did you set that up? they have the [DEMON] flag?[EVIL]. Dark elves, gobbos and hobbits have it, game picks one at random whenever an underworld breach event occurs in worldgen.
Also allowed them a mountain supported biome to encourage them to invade a bit further (not sure if it was necessary).
Post by: Eric Blank on January 24, 2023, 10:20:47 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 25, 2023, 01:58:10 am
ive not actually seen evil critters pop out of the underground myself, i didnt know that happened.In Worldgen. It was added in 47.01.
Civs with the trigger [MINING_UNDERWORLD_DISASTERS] can breach the underworld in fortress (and maybe dark fortress?) sites. A bunch of demons plus an army made up of an [EVIL] race appear and form a new civilization. Just look for a civ that was formed after the year 1, that's one that emerged from the underworld.
My hobbits are bit too nice. They formed an alliance with the dwarves that released them just a few years later. :)
Post by: GadgetPatch on January 25, 2023, 03:03:19 pm
demon hobbits
Fucking amazing. I love this.
Yeah, you may not be able to get kobolds to eat eggs directly. You could try a reaction to process eggs into chunks of meat from a creature, though.
I've had some luck getting raw eggs to be recognizable as meat, by adding [EDIBLE_RAW] to the egg materials, without the [MEAT] tokens. Bizarrely, doing the same thing to cheese doesn't make it edible to carnivores though. And as soon as either ingredient is cooked, it's no longer considered edible.
VERY weird that [EDIBLE_RAW] only works with raw eggs, and no other item. And double odd that the meat item type is carnivore-edible, even without [EDIBLE_RAW]. It's got to be something about primitive item classifications with a specific carnivore handling for egg object types, that isn't inherited when cooked, which is entirely different from however meat items are checked in the source. Lots of very strange behavior for carnivores, still!
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For their language, try generating one with DFLang, you can still find it on DFFD. Its still the best tool ive found for generating languages quickly. Then use the output's ID in the entity translation, and make sure youve included the language file in your mod folder. Make sure your kobolds have both UTTERANCES and CAN_SPEAK. I'm not sure what could actually be causing the crash, but probably either a typo or duplicate word or something.
Oh! And you need to update the dflang word list with the current DF word list; it's from a much older version and doesn't have a bunch of new words.
I actually had already generated a language using a different technique, and it works fine normally; the crash seems to come whenever an ENTITY has a TRANSLATION, but it's constituent CREATURE has the UTTERANCES tag, and only when you click the top-right randomize button in the name-picker UI. Even happens with vanilla languages; I ended up reporting, in case it's a canary in the coalmine for other crashes.
And yeah, I just generated my own truncated kobold syllables using GenGo (https://collinbrennan.github.io/GenGo/index.html). The wiki has some nice notes on using it! I just multiline copy-pasted them into a language file with some regex and sublimetext. The process gives finer control over structure and word length, so I'd recommend it! It also let me prune out words that sounded bad or ran long. The translation gives compound words like bulbin-kraler, rather than compounds like shrabodoshrayrber-slakibodraymbus.
The downside is, removing UTTERANCES takes out a really cute thing the game does (https://i.imgur.com/gaIwslN.jpg), where songs that Kobolds write have nonsense lyrics. But UTTERANCES also seem to make Kobolds regenerate their names whenever they return after a raid. So I'll probably just use a TRANSLATION and remove UTTERANCES for now.
Post by: Elbow on January 27, 2023, 12:10:15 am
Are you pulling your hair out and going bald because some of your military dwarves mysteriously keep going bald themselves? Are you freaking out because the dwarf you told to equip that full suit of bismuth bronze armor isn't wearing it, and now it's missing? Are you a modder who used the vanilla graphics_creatures_layered.txt as the basis for your modded race, only to discover your seemingly perfectly functional mod was causing problems with bismuth bronze? Well, it's not your fault. This is a vanilla problem - the vanilla layered graphics RAWs do not specify any sprites for items made of bismuth bronze, and the fix is super easy. Like, "one find and replace" easy.
Open graphics_creatures_layered.txt (or the equivalent file in your mod if you're dabbling with modding) in NotePad++. Open the Find and Replace window (Ctrl+H) and turn regular expressions on:
FIND:
\[CONDITION_MATERIAL_TYPE:METAL:BLACK_BRONZE\]
REPLACE:
[CONDITION_MATERIAL_TYPE:METAL:BLACK_BRONZE]\n [CONDITION_MATERIAL_TYPE:METAL:BISMUTH_BRONZE]
(You can probably do this without regular expressions turned on as well if that's intimidating for you or whatever, just remove the "\"s in the FIND string and "\n" in the replace. Using regex just keeps the raw file tidy.)
Et voila, your mysteriously unarmored baldies should now look like the badasses you always intended them to be. This was also probably a problem with wielded bismuth bronze weapons/picks/axes (almost certainly - no bismuth bronze sprites whatsoever are specified in the layered creatures raws, but I haven't seen the issue with my own two eyes so I'm couching this in uncertainty).
BEFORE:
(https://i.imgur.com/85uNZIm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FX0jYJP.png)
AFTER:
(https://i.imgur.com/UcYQzee.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ivJAvoF.png)
NOTE:I don't know if updating the vanilla RAWs manually will import them to an existing save.Tested with my BF's vanilla save and a modded vanilla RAW, and unless he screwed something up in a major way it doesn't work for unmodded games without generating a new world. I know for a fact that it's compatible with existing saves when it comes to editing the appropriate file in the "installed mods" folder (see the pics above, that's my 'deep dwarf' race, and it's the same deep dwarf in both pics). If updating the vanilla RAWs truly doesn't work for existing saves, as long as you have even *one* mod running you can maybe work around this by adding a text file which will cut the accursed vanilla file and also adding your edited copy of the vanilla file to any mod's graphics folder (or even by adding a graphics folder to an installed mod with no graphical component and doing the same - I haven't experimented with any of this though so take with a huge grain of salt).
Was advised by Shonai_Dweller to crosspost this to the modding forum so people could search the board for bismuth bronze and easily get an answer. Didn't want to make a second thread saying the exact same thing as the thread I already posted as a more broad heads up kind of thing, so they suggested bumping a general RAWs thread instead. While this is maybe not a perfectly on topic post, it is something I discovered in the course of my modding, and so here we are. lol :o
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 27, 2023, 01:14:09 am
Post by: Boltgun on January 30, 2023, 04:26:15 am
There is bottom wear available in the civ, and they dress up when I make some at the clothier. But they don't start covered and now I'm reviewing my life choices.
Post by: Rumrusher on February 01, 2023, 04:28:27 am
it seems like the process requires the non-historical figure to kill something or someone to become a historical figure and after that live in the fort for 2 years to work up the courage to petition.
creatures that lived in the fort previously that had not kill anyone but gain a historical figure would probably not gain one until after you retire and unretire the fort which then the +2 year wait will be triggered and after those +2 years they will petition.
this does make playing multi-culture forts more lopsided but more possible to do fort mode only than it was in 47 where you only got access to the starting embark citizens.
having test this out with a mock up version of an underground mining disaster civ had left me with an experience of 'dang I sure grown attach to seeing these 20 foot tall humanoids petition to join a site after years of hard work.'
there like a few test I need to do to see if it's possible to speed up the process but so far one of them requires conquering a site and probably exiling the animal entity token gotten citizen to that place and recalling them back with a messenger.
which might cut down the wait from 2 years but from what I experimented on you can't exile non-historical figures and or pets that goes into the pet tab so the process for getting them historical figures might lead to the question do one wait out 2 years for a petition or do you risk conquering a site and sending the unit off to a small trip to a new location and recall them back?
though I guess if you retire and unretire this will give all the non-hist-figs citizens connections to your civ and probably histfigs so sending them off to a site you own might be a bit faster?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 12, 2023, 08:00:42 am
Need layered minotaurs and hobbits for it to be complete, that'll have to wait. Not gonna learn how to make pixel art now.
Other than that, very pleased to have arena to play with to check everything is still working. Love the option to shoot the temperature up to "Dragonfire" when things start to get cluttered.
Will get round to making this guy a bit smaller and more purple at some point.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fTF2xxPT/hippo.png)
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 15, 2023, 06:47:05 pm
Won't match up perfectly every time. But good enough for me, and not too much work as I only have eight animal person civs.
(https://i.postimg.cc/65Td4kyq/Bear-sword.png)
Post by: Morning_Oak on February 20, 2023, 11:21:11 am
Post by: KittyTac on March 01, 2023, 05:03:26 am
Post by: dikbutdagrate on March 09, 2023, 02:18:45 pm
Recently, I tried replacing dwarf blood with a yellow palette swapped substance called urine, which was toxic for dwarves. My intention was to remove their actual need to have blood, but have them still continue to produce it. It wasn't ideal, but I thought it could be a better solution than the complex interaction syndrome logic chains I had been struggling with thus far.
But allow me to just say that this mod will never see the light of the day, lol. And in case this hadn't already immediately come to mind for you as you're reading this, allow me to illuminate why this approach is a bad idea: For starters, I cannot even begin to describe how weird vampires are.
Sure they're basically free dialysis machines, that can receive criminal charges. But, thats kind of the problem. In one particular circumstance involving piss vampires, you'd likely see some behavior that would resemble a contemporary U.S. court case a little too closely.1 Obviously, this approach is pretty terrible, due to a myriad of reasons. The most notable of which are the issues that can arise when vampires are enabled. I mean, if the vampires are caught you can punish them, I guess? But I don't see the need to model any of this. Unless certain alterations are made to several intelligent species, or a custom vampire is defined, its best just to scrap this approach entirely.
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-- Heres just a preliminary color changing test I did with modified clones of troll raws by palette swapping blood_magenta.png so we can use our own unique colored spite graphics:
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-- The basic concept of a "bat-room" that dwarves use to relieve themselves of their toxic urine blood:
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-- This last one may be indicative of progress, maybe?
After looking over the cave floater raws, I had an idea which would allow me to scrap the entire interaction granting chain of syndromes model, as this is a headache. I added templates, body parts, and body plan structure to facilitate both an internal bladder, as well as a urine liquid tissue layer, located underneath the bladder. And the liquid "regrows." The idea is that it can be expelled a couple times a day. Fecal matter will have its own "regrowth cycle" as well. However, upon reviewing some initial tests, its not immediately clear what kind of progress I've made:
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1. The United States vs. R. Kelly, (2019)
Post by: brewer bob on March 09, 2023, 04:19:31 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 09, 2023, 05:11:19 pm
I tried to make giant ants that had an acid layer on a section of their abdomen once. It had the same problem. Any injury to any body part and the acid would leak everywhere.
I would suggest you just use a self-targeted item creation interaction to have them create filfth at their location, but you want them to do it in a sanitary, civilized manner instead of just dropping a deuce wherever and letting other dwarves haul it off, it seems.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 09, 2023, 05:23:20 pm
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-- This last one may be indicative of progress, maybe?Are you saying you managed to get it to regrow, or just that you plan to?
After looking over the cave floater raws, I had an idea which would allow me to scrap the entire interaction granting chain of syndromes model, as this is a headache. I added templates, body parts, and body plan structure to facilitate both an internal bladder, as well as a urine liquid tissue layer, located underneath the bladder. And the liquid "regrows." The idea is that it can be expelled a couple times a day. Fecal matter will have its own "regrowth cycle" as well. However, upon reviewing some initial tests, its not immediately clear what kind of progress I've made:
My evil Hobbits leak putrid seawater from their feet (defense mechanism against minotaurs whose horns rot if they step in it, causing despair). However, I didn't find a way to grow it back at the time. To be fair, if a minotaur has already punched a hole in a Hobbit, they're not likely to survive that long, but it would be nice if the survivors could regenerate and not be forever shunned by polite society.
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1tRQf8s/water.png)
Post by: brewer bob on March 09, 2023, 09:00:14 pm
My evil Hobbits leak putrid seawater from their feet (defense mechanism against minotaurs whose horns rot if they step in it, causing despair).
I can't even begin to describe what's going on in my head after reading this, lol.
(Also, just woke up and it's four in the night over here.)
Post by: dikbutdagrate on March 10, 2023, 02:11:22 am
The melting problem is related to liquid tissue layers. It will drain the entirety of the liquid tissue layer from the entire body regardless of what body part is actually injured. So if they get a cut on their finger, you'll have piss spraying out of the wound until the tissue is entirely depleted.
I tried to make giant ants that had an acid layer on a section of their abdomen once. It had the same problem. Any injury to any body part and the acid would leak everywhere.
I would suggest you just use a self-targeted item creation interaction to have them create filfth at their location, but you want them to do it in a sanitary, civilized manner instead of just dropping a deuce wherever and letting other dwarves haul it off, it seems.
Yeah its that last bit thats complicated. If there was a normal way to remove interactions from creatures, that would make this a lot easier. Just having a cooldown and self targeted interaction that makes the substance sounds fine. But I wanted there to be repercussions for not getting rid of it. Miasma was the logical means of how to do this, but most won't produce miasma, even when you add the tags for it.
So I ended up having the dwarves spawn a "raw_fish dwarf male". Which looked like the dwarves, but were actually poop statues. These would then rot into butchered dwarf corpses. Which would then produce miasma, once they in turn had rotted. And the dwarves wouldn't automatically touch the body parts, for various reasons, unless they were manually designated for dumping.
I really want a substance that produces miasma, is a liquid thats called waste or whatever, and can be flushed down a grate. This is the ideal.
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 10, 2023, 05:00:45 am
Yeah, this bit of the mod was me indulging in some dark thoughts. The unspoken concept is that the cheerful cheesemakers are in fact, not hobbits at all but something that crawled out of the sea during the breaking of the world and took over their forms.My evil Hobbits leak putrid seawater from their feet (defense mechanism against minotaurs whose horns rot if they step in it, causing despair).
I can't even begin to describe what's going on in my head after reading this, lol.
(Also, just woke up and it's four in the night over here.)
Only hint in game is when you happen to spot the extremely rare thought of a random dwarf who "likes true hobbits for their tragic past". Oh, and when the minotaur dancing in your tavern suddenly goes berserk after stepping in a pool of hobbit water...
No one will ever know it's there, but that's OK, because likely no-one but me will ever play it. :)
Post by: brewer bob on March 10, 2023, 05:50:03 am
No one will ever know it's there, but that's OK, because likely no-one but me will ever play it. :)
Best part of personal mods, if you ask me.
Post by: delphonso on March 12, 2023, 09:15:28 am
No one will ever know it's there, but that's OK, because likely no-one but me will ever play it. :)
I will stand by you with my own forms of self-indulgent, highly obfuscated world-building.
Post by: Rumrusher on March 22, 2023, 10:15:34 am
then I got access to dfhack again and now I'm playing this goblin faction(off shoot of the infurn civ) that currently moving around the world map and connecting to sites.
the process of connecting to a different site is mostly using like 3 different scripts and one of them which suppose to just let one unretire any site had proven to crash on use normally, except when used with this other script that lets me jump back into the 'choose your own game mode menu' and embark a second time, the third script is the one that moves the player fort around the world map as I learn when you embark two sites the game tries to align them to the coordinates of where they are on the world/region map.
so my current experience is piloting a mobile 'void' pirate ship that raids and plunders smaller sites(bigger ones end up killing my fps and pc on ram usage and would require more research on tackling those in smaller chunks)
then gather enough gems, coal and platinum to smelt into goods to trade with the intent purpose of buying more crew members to go on raiding missions and dig.
the feeling of exploring another site with a team of miners carving out a tunnel into the unallocated space between the two sites and possible chances to swipe rare furniture pieces that usually get generated in pre-gen sites is fun.
also the added bonus of oddities of doing this like micro explosions on the 'void ship', crew members getting stuck in the ground, flooding, the dangers of mixing different biomes together and other unseen events that could pop up.
oh and retiring in this state causes anyone not on the main site(so this is the site you recently embark/unretire/reclaim with) to be left behind so there's an urgency to making sure everyone is back on the 'ship' before lifting of or just treating the folks on the other site as a lost cause for anything that stuck on there.
this also lets me dump trash on someone's lawn and not have to worry about it.
so now after a few rounds of testing and stealing ladles and querns from lairs I'm starting to wonder if there's a fun total conversion mod(for df50 classic) to go with this dfhack'd playstyle?
Post by: montejobarato on March 26, 2023, 02:14:25 pm
Anyway, programing, hard as hell, at least to the end of the year I must have a alpha out if I learn and do things very quickly. :)
Post by: SQman on April 04, 2023, 02:44:17 am
So anyway, I have Haven denizen creature almost finished. It consists of several castes, from the most cammon to the rarest:
Tier 1:
-Human - you know what a human is;
Tier 2:
-Radiant and blazing glories - divine light elementals, feminine in appearance but genderless. Ideally the only way to kill them should be hitting them in diamond spirit cores within their chests;
Tier 3:
-Celestials - souls of angels in human bodies, slightly larger than humans, and with superior stats;
Tier 4:
-Angels - larger than humans, with superior stats and damage reduction;
Tier 5:
-Archangels - superior to angels, can resurrect;
-Seraphs - between angels and archangels when it comes to physical attributes, but can enter trances, have natural weapon skills, and are completely merciless.
Other than that, I've decided to force myself to work on dino-hybrid sprites. I have two pterosaurs finished, and that's only because I forgot about carnivorous mammals that would be more fun to work on.
As fascinating as pterosaurs are, they have a few quirks that makes converting them to 32x32 sprites kinda tricky.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 17, 2023, 06:41:45 pm
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Post by: Eric Blank on April 17, 2023, 08:32:49 pm
Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 18, 2023, 01:37:37 pm
Ok, thats a new one. How did you manage to get them into the hammer? Do they add much to the weight, and maybe damage?
Just Advfort, believe it or not. Using the -c argument allows you to construct a furniture item out of whatever reagent.
Built a war hammer into a cabinet, put the bees inside, and deconstructed it. If you drop the war hammer and reload the area, take a nap, whatever, all of the bees inside the hammer will disappear. However, if the hammer is still in your inventory when you retire your character, take a nap, whatever, the bee colonies will persist.
Umm, interestingly, the hammer didn't do any more noticeable damage.
What did do a significant amount of damage however, was the porcelain bee hive I was running around bashing people with. Like, it was severing limbs via blunt damage. No idea how that was happening.
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As of premium, you can finally relocate bee colonies to cages and other objects in fort mode. At least, once the colonies have been installed to a hive. This means that strange beehive hybrid objects could be made very easily using DFHack. Haven't tested much on that end besides just vanilla stuff, like placing a bunch of bees onto a pedestal, in order to make probability distribution clouds made out of bees.
From what I've gathered, the remote flying worker bees, which spawn outside the colony and sting people, won't spawn unless the bee colonies are attached to some kind of constructed furniture item. The remote bees haven't appeared to spawn if you have a backpack full of them and drop the backpack etc. That said, the remote bees are a little 'bugged' in adv mode. They are very fickle about when they like to spawn in advmode, and their motivations for doing so, or not doing so, are mysterious.
In premium, I know I placed a bunch of bee colonies in a cage, and deconstructed the cage, but I don't remember what the results were. My hunch is that is that it was a negative though.
Post by: brewer bob on April 18, 2023, 01:58:52 pm
Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 18, 2023, 02:14:51 pm
Maybe they were stung by so many bees that the limbs got severed? Or that is what I want to believe in.
I've been meaning to mod in custom bees, which act sort of like the robot attack drone funnels from Gundam, that melt off limbs.
Or perhaps some-kind of fantasy reskin, where they're made out of wood? IDK.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ColdNeighboringBrocketdeer-max-1mb.gif)
I did make some bees for premium however, that only spawn in evil biomes, and turn creatures they sting into goats.
Haven't hosted it yet though, due to weird modding issues that arise from running DF premium through a wineskin on mac.
Heres some of the sprite artwork I did for my goat bees - apis caprarum:
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2nd take:
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Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 19, 2023, 09:26:08 pm
And crazy they called me.
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Post by: King Zultan on April 20, 2023, 01:54:07 am
Post by: delphonso on April 20, 2023, 05:39:51 am
Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 23, 2023, 11:09:34 pm
Someone stop dikbutdagrate.(https://i.imgur.com/qQG5MtQ.png)
Oh dearest Delphonso, in just a few short hours it'll have been four days since your post.
And so far, no one has been successful in stopping me.
Unfortunately, I believe that it is all but inevitable now...
that my detractors will begin hurling the false accusation that I am perhaps unstoppable.
Alas, in my current capacity, I am powerless to prove to them otherwise.
If only there was more I could do to assuage their disproportionally overblown concerns born out of hysteria.
Post by: Viax on April 27, 2023, 02:20:07 am
Also, was it ever possible to mod things like making more diplomacy available(make ally, ask for help in defending, attack together)? Fix ammo or other troublesome bugs? Or overall adding a non-existent layer to the game?
Post by: Eric Blank on April 28, 2023, 09:17:30 pm
Post by: Dunmeris on May 03, 2023, 10:09:15 pm
It should be fairly easy. So I plan to add the rest of the Archons, maybe some more flora, maybe another civ, then update the mod to the current (classic, because I've got literal hundreds of added creatures and there's no way I'm even considering making sprite sheets for them) version (it's still in 47.05). Assuming everything works, and still works after the update, I plan to post the mod next week.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 04, 2023, 12:56:14 pm
I also made familiars a civilization. They deal in magical wares and creatures, and show up during winter. Otherwise, they're supposed to be pretty neutral, not get involved in warfare and politics. But it might get weird, like them getting kidnapped by goblins or ending up in human civs or even your civ. And they're not meant to be leaders. I dunno if I'll keep them or not.
Oh, I also did workshops, but I just copy-pasted workshop bits from the vanilla workshops to make them. And I didn't do in-progress parts, just the complete ones. I've been very lazy.
Post by: DPh Kraken on May 08, 2023, 12:50:12 pm
They have been punished for their insolence and now confined to deserts.
Post by: Rumrusher on May 13, 2023, 04:51:59 am
as doing so causes the game to adjust and load in the missing parts for the fort.
which combine with void forts means I could move around the world then load in a chunk of the map under it with out needing to double embark.
I dub this method of loading mapchunks nomad mode as you could load and unload the original starting position and slowly move around the world map digging up stuff building a constantly rebuilt stockpile of goods and trail of workshops.
oh and potential chance of losing citizens if they are in the section of the map that set to be unloaded.
I haven't figure out How this work I feel like it might be either timing based or terraforming based but what ever it is it slow enough to make sending squads of military folks a rough one unless I stretch the site out long enough to get the military squad to assault them or I void fort park the destination closer.
I also haven't reach the 'I could turn this finding into a script' phase as it's also possible to shunt your entire fort into the void or starve your fort out trying to preserve a stash of drinks offsite that some how works.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302956330304667649/1107141877758701638/nomad-fort-showcase-gif2.gif)
here's a gif showing off the nomad effect in action.
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ended up with mixing void fort knowledge and this nomad one to land a fort site near a dark fortress spire and just load in the spire and scoop up the prisoner children... and the master and I think safely leave.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on May 17, 2023, 12:32:59 pm
(Well, other people have done it before me, but I just really wanted to type that.)
(https://i.imgur.com/3xOoTR2.gif)
Rumrusher mentioned something about having explored where the object arena is, and I was curious.
Did a couple of experiments The most interesting being how the open space works if you dig down 10 z levels, and then start channeling tiles, once the reverse skybox prevents you from digging down any further. Properties fall in line with how Rumrusher describes the void to behave, except with this being underground, the area seems to maintain an ambient temperature.
Here are the images:
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Interestingly, spawning flowing liquids via DFhack over the channeled out empty space tiles, causes the liquid flow tiles to fall through the channel and vanish. However, getting magma to fall first, and then water, even when separated by several ticks, causes boiling steam to erupt from the channeled tile. So something happens down there, even though the game prevents us from digging any further down, or lowering which z level the camera is on.
Post by: Enemy post on May 30, 2023, 03:14:34 pm
*I've updated Primal, and I got my veterinarian golems on the Workshop. Glad to have that taken care of. Not sure what to do next, since I'd have to make new art. I guess I might be able to get WillowLuman's Daleks on the Workshop.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on June 06, 2023, 05:43:23 pm
Some images:
Spot the mimic.
(https://i.imgur.com/yzgnMLW.png)
Totally called that this would happen. (Note that the night troll hasn't even transformed yet.)
(https://i.imgur.com/z6PzRsE.png)
Fighting rocks, etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/m0rNr7Z.gif)
Ideally, these guys would also stay in their night form while underground, but I don't think thats happening. Although I could solve that issue, maybe, by using a whole other set of castes within the thurz_night_form, which would be those by default, as opposed to the other way around, and actually spawn during world gen, and have them spawn in underground caverns. In the event they ever get to the surface, they use the interaction which sets them on the crazy transformation schedule. I've tested the location hint interaction token, and while the interaction version of the token is bugged, CDI:LOCATION_HINT:OUTSIDE might not be, it certainly does not prevent a creature from using the interaction while outside, but its not clear whether it actually prevents the creature from using it inside.
Also been working on good biome regional effects, as well as some "magical item" prototype mods. I'll start thinking about what additional items DFhack will allow, but so far I've only considered "magical items" that the raws can facilitate on their own. Such as fixed mat material items; an inedible item, which continually rots into itself, and continually produces miasma in cycles; and an item that naturally produces discrete quantities of any item, like meat or soup ladles, and slowly repeats this over an infinite cycle.
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Edit: ☠ Working on a pestilence mod. ☠
I'm actually surprised to see how well the lice infestations are working. And I am VERY SURPRISED to see how well my plump helmet mimics are working. These things are evil!
Regional interaction causes a dwarf to occasionally spawn a couple "plump helmets", which stack with normal plump helmets, but aren't plump helmets at all. When eaten raw or brewed, they inflict an ingested food poisoning syndrome. For premium, they'll probably use a slightly modified plump helmet sprite. (I'm doing the modding in 47.05 for now)
Lice have been given a special vermin bite attack, which inflicts a syndrome, which causes a creatures with head hair to be able to spawn lice around them, which leads to anyone getting close, getting lice as well.
Feral rats should also be fun to work with.
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Post by: Rumrusher on June 11, 2023, 02:59:20 am
Really hit the stress testing phase hard with realizing it's possible to build a boat that will sink if you don't void fort connect it to a different site,
then realize you could nomad build a boat then secure the bottom of it to land (when the water's freezes) to have it work with the nomad set up and just have a constructed platform on sea.
after which had a fun nautical adventure with this custom angel civ
after which I learn the nomad playstyle hinges on the wagon staying intact which converted the nomad+void fort ship run to just a void fort ship run.
though to back up to the moment where I realize the nomad system would really work was the session I had previous to the boat run which was a journey to cross the ocean to a remote island.
the plan started out building a bridge to the island but I quickly remember how cave ins system work and decided to abandon that plan for traveling through the caverns. Which was interesting as it revealed staying too long in the caverns while traveling will attract agitated cavern dwellers. I think the mining and foraging induce agitation might persist between nomad travels.
During that cavern trek session had inspired the idea of maybe I could try that constructions above water plan again, as I saw my quickly halted attempt of a constructed floor bridge still stand for a few minutes before collapsing I think I also saw some dingoes walking on the bridge also. I remember reaching the island then starting a new fort with the goal of building a boat which leads back to the story above.
so flash forward to now where I realize I could be storing items on to the wagon via the keyboard cursor and not some extremely complicated and crash heavy set up. which means I might have the means to just scavenge and gather resources from sites and just pack up and move to a new location with lil to no major crash risk. I could even deconstruct a workshop and pack up the building material to rebuild it when I need to.
raw modding wise been testing some old entity mods with the nomad stuff and poking around with raw ripped angel creature used for a custom entity.
quickly re-learn why having a civ with every creature is a fps killer when you visit the generated site in df50.
overall having fun playing out a roaming band of nomadic group that live off a wagon building and or scuttle trying.
Post by: KittyTac on September 04, 2023, 03:11:10 am
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034856361600745513/1148168450984906752/image.png)
I then used Notepad++ to replace the line breaks with spaces.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034856361600745513/1148168993316814868/image.png)
Update: better results if you tell it to keep it varied.
Post by: joostheger on September 04, 2023, 05:13:45 am
Post by: aradar on September 04, 2023, 08:44:53 pm
arena test on glowing ghoul megabeast :D
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a shot of some of my ghouls working :) hard to see there faces cause of the hair but still :D Mr. House quietly waiting for you to need him :D
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Post by: FantasticDorf on September 05, 2023, 11:32:14 am
The Steam Workshop has been pretty slow at the minute finding bits of inspiration, I think the bigger DFhack-ready mods haven't been made yet because the new way of doing DFhack scripting is just so outside of people's comfort zones. Taking up some reading, i think this document helps explain the actual process of applying DFhack, and you can but its still a very long way from anywhere a casual DFhack user might actually apply it. It'll probably take a few example mods for reference before the ball gets rolling, if not just mods that are entirely DFhack orientated full of miscallenous scripts before anything becomes mainstream, as its much easier to try out someone elses than arrange your own from scratch.
< DFHack : Chapter: the Structure of a Mod (https://docs.dfhack.org/en/stable/docs/guides/modding-guide.html#the-structure-of-a-mod) >
So im just going to see where i get by having a crack at a old grown-type workshop wood script, since I have a elf-fortress mod i had half started on the RAW side of things waiting for me gathering dust
Post by: aradar on September 07, 2023, 09:21:34 pm
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i think a few too many spawned :DD
just added the iconic creature the brahmin,
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adding iconic weapons :DDD
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Working single mindedly on this mod hope to eventually convert the entire df into fallout world, dubbed DFFO
im well on my way already, i have so far ghouls,vault dweller,super mutant playable civs, equipable power armor :D some deadly megabeasts and some not so deadly variants of them like feral ghouls and glowing ones, and Mr. Urist McHandy a servent droid which the entire mod revolves around.
working on adding more creatures and other iconic items from the game series like nuka cola and most of the chems
Post by: Dylan Ail Don on November 06, 2023, 07:28:03 pm
This race replaces the wild elemental men of vanilla DF with other element-themed creatures (arguably better sources of fun than the boring vanilla elemental men). Fire Men were replaced by Salamanders, Mud Men were replaced by Golems, Amethyst Men were replaced by Gem Dragons, Iron Men were replaced by Warforged, Magma Men were replaced by Lava Snakes.
These elementals are physical manifestations of the forces of nature, like angels are to the gods, so they need to reinforce their link with their elemental Mother-Forces through rituals or embrace the wrath of their life-givers.
I would love to be able to change how DF uses pronouns. Having gender-less sentient creatures being called "it" seems weird to me.
Post by: Rumrusher on November 14, 2023, 10:02:22 am
the experience is a bit thrilling but also challenging given vanilla interactions for resurrection and reanimation have a threshold of how preserved the body should be before you can't mess with them with the dark arts.
and it usually stops at mangled body parts.
I could probably pursue the other forms of interaction to see if one could tap into just target creatures. though as of now this means I could mess with spell craft mods that dip heavy into resurrection and reanimation. also botch resurrecting someone and they vanished after loading the save again
Post by: Eric Blank on November 14, 2023, 05:03:48 pm
Uhh. I've been making lots of sprites. And by making, I mean I drew a few and traced the vanilla layered sprites to make layered sprite sheets for a few more. Wondering if I should just remove the references to hair for paklaras or make stylized head feather sprites over the hair sprite sheets. Also wondering how the hell komengs are going to work. Hair sprites for their head plate shapes? Can I reuse the hair mechanic to link to their "shape" colors somehow? But then how would I link to the tattoo and paint colors, since the head shape is technically also a color descriptor and they're also supposed to have paint and tattoos over that. Can it use two color descriptors as arguments to select a colored shape? This is why I made that thread about sprite graphics discussions.
And made spirit wisps kill themselves after a month to make them "vanish" back into the "afterlife" because someone on steam was having a bug where they had become werewolves and even the militia wouldn't fight them for some reason. They were never intended to last that long anyway, they're supposed to be a temporary resurrection.
Post by: Rumrusher on November 14, 2023, 11:08:21 pm
How could they vanish from the save?so far from what I look into it seems like the two skeleton archer humans I resurrected was resurrected away from their unit body so the game just went 'welp time to unload them from this location'
like their historical figure data and the nemesis records seem to not have the unit data attached to them any more so on reload of the session save they just poofed.
I didn't have much of this issue once I started resurrecting the bodies right where I found them.
Post by: Telgin on December 07, 2023, 11:27:53 am
(https://preview.redd.it/mne4x00wwl4c1.png?width=303&format=png&auto=webp&s=a0781ac19857ec0a18010d1f92807bc67639400d)
I ended up reusing some kobold armor sprites for them.
(https://preview.redd.it/xg9bmrvc9l4c1.png?width=197&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b9a53ff2db8338b86d2f2c6979cb545bf1cac3b)
I even went the extra mile to make child graphics to see if it was possible. It mostly is, though it's double work because you have to make all of the body parts and clothes all over again. It's hard to see the difference at a glance, but this shows a child (above) and his mother (below):
(https://preview.redd.it/wnwza7413l4c1.png?width=104&format=png&auto=webp&s=e6b5af34061e34fb2e7ece92dd9ebdc4b35f3699)
I screwed up the color coding for clothes so most people wear red now. I'm sure it can be fixed but I haven't looked at it in too much detail yet because the config file is over 10,000 lines long.
What sucks is that it appears to be impossible to make baby graphics work for layered creatures like this. I made some baby graphics, but just can't get them to work:
(https://preview.redd.it/ixogzh8z6l4c1.png?width=224&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ffec04455bcfaee7d889aa9899a50d8b9f358cc)
I tried using [LAYER_SET:BABY] in the graphics config file, like used for gorlaks and other creatures with baby graphics, but it doesn't work and causes the game to start parsing the rest of the file wrong in weird ways. I may have just done something dumb, but never could find any typo if there was one.
For children, I used the [CONDITION_CHILD] tag on the layers, which does work. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a [CONDITION_BABY] tag for babies. Oddly, I tried it and the game doesn't generate any error messages for it, but [CONDITION_BABY] seems to always be true so it turned all of the adults into babies. I'm guessing the game just fails to parse the tag and sets an internal always true condition on the layer because of it or something.
Oh well, I'm guessing this will eventually be implemented, and I'll have the graphics available when it is. Making portraits will be a fair bit of work once that's released too.
Post by: aradar on December 27, 2023, 03:06:25 am
Learned a lot from this forum its community and the wiki with brute force. I really enjoyed building these and I hope you do too :D
Big thanks to Eric Blank, Hugo the dwarf, Narhiril and so many others who helped me understand how this crazy world works.
Hope every one had a happy holiday
Post by: DPh Kraken on December 30, 2023, 04:01:27 pm
Also integrating the idea from another chemistry mod to use jugs for alchemical powders, since that also reduces micromanagement with bags being used a lot elsewhere.
I do love the ridiculous complexity of the reactions I've researched, but I think I need to smooth the road a bit.
Post by: aradar on April 06, 2024, 08:47:47 pm
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this is a shot of game im testing some things in and my Goblin king shows up and he's a Necromancer !!!!!! pretty cool :D
And for some reason my goblin King is a necromancer dwarf LOL
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Holy shit he brought a demon with him that is now living at my fort wtf a giant demon gopher ...... Wow amazing 😍
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That fight ended up being really bad it took almost 40 minutes for it to conclude and I lost a lot of people and gained a ton of ghouls I even had to retire the fort because it didn't seem like the battle was ever going to end and then when I unretired it it's all good demon and King still living there 😍😍
im getting pretty close to a release for steam(this is an update to one already on there) on this one its getting pretty crazy :DDDDD
Post by: SQman on April 11, 2024, 02:19:02 am
Despite the fact that vermin anatomy doesn't matter much, I'm recreating Dredge critters as accurately as I can, which includes not only strange deformations, but also anatomical features that vanilla animals lack - fins in fish, hepatopancreas in cephalopods and crustaceans, entire jellyfish bodies and tissues.
What I didn't end up doing is giving the fish any harmful properties beyond melee attacks for large ones, and non-lethal vermin bites for some small ones. I was tempted to include some properties they display in Dave the Diver, but a part of my design philosophy is not giving players problems they have no way of fixing. An eel shooting crystal shards at dwarves that refuse to enter the ocean would only generate frustration. Similarly, some fish should be poisonous because of their rotting flesh, eldritch parasites and some more. That would require some annoying micromanagement to combat.
I imagine this mod won't find much use, considering settling near evil oceans isn't something everyone does every day. There's also the question whether I will actually finish it..
Post by: Eric Blank on April 11, 2024, 09:19:16 pm
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 23, 2024, 07:45:02 pm
They live in hillocks and caves (I did the hillocks with PLAYER_FORTRESS, so their hillocks are all blue on legends mode lol). They are usually bodied by the other races and megabeasts. But I love'em.
Post by: dikbutdagrate on May 01, 2024, 06:56:20 pm
Along with several other things.
Spent some time tooling around with mutant hamster vermin the other day, but the results are middling at best.
Can't seem to get these things to chew through iron barrels, no matter what I do.
Not sure if I ever posted it here, but I made an extremely hot metal that changes temperature to freezing whenever it gets coated in rainwater (or any contaminant, really.)
I also have a prototype metal that experiences "corrosion" when exposed to containments also, but its finicky. And I'm not sure implementing a dwarf-safe version of "corrosion" is worth the effort.
Post by: DPh Kraken on May 02, 2024, 12:34:41 pm
Some interesting names from the world I generated, the Rim of Pride.
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The Marble Towers, mountain range in the Snarling Cradle
The Howling Depths, inland sea in the Snarling Cradle
The Perfect Isle, island in the Abyss of Raptors
Silkendanced, forest retreat in the Peaceful Jungles (wilderness surroundings)
The Unified Confederacy, human civilization
The Last Fierce Blizzards, glacier in the Confusing Continents
Diamondshovels, hillocks in the Crabby Lands
Newwisdom, human monastery in the Declining Notch
The Festive Brush, untamed shrubland
Canyonkeg, dwarven tower in the Intricate Basin
Standardeyes, town in the Field of Direction
Oxut Shadeprince, forgotten beast
Pasmug Dragonscrests, goddess of freedom and thralldom
Feaststale, silver corkscrew, symbol of the baron of Jewelbarbs
Shroomrasped, the Hood of Planning, mail shirt of the queen of the Ancient Alliance
The Haggard Vulgar Bed, goblin tavern in Rentfang
Sluk Murderstabbed, lord of the Disgusting Fiends in Contemptscream
Realmlore, a hamlet governed by the Connected Treaties
The Flowery Realms of Legend, an elven civilization
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 02, 2024, 02:28:38 pm
Like. Why. Why did I make this? This is morally wrong. This is messed up. I am messed up.
I can feel the spirits of my ancestors looking down on me in disgust. I can feel Toady staring me down in disapproval.
What have I done?
Post by: Eric Blank on May 02, 2024, 03:33:31 pm
Unless the content is just inappropriate. Then you're inappropriate.
Post by: brewer bob on May 03, 2024, 12:51:02 am
I can feel the spirits of my ancestors looking down on me in disgust. I can feel Toady staring me down in disapproval.
What have I done?
You have made an abomination. No amount of penance will save you from the loathing of your ancestors.
(So you might just as well tell us what the mod is about, eh?)
Post by: King Zultan on May 03, 2024, 02:01:48 am
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 03, 2024, 02:14:42 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 03, 2024, 08:04:30 pm
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 03, 2024, 08:11:48 pm
I deleted it. So no raws.
It was giant walking dongs everywhere. Like, whale-sized. All biomes. Cluster size 20-30. Frequency 100. Population number 100. They walked with their geldables. They were evil and attacked everything.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 03, 2024, 08:17:44 pm
Was their only predator the dreaded titanic vulva slug? :P
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 03, 2024, 08:19:01 pm
Sounds like a sausage party
Was their only predator the dreaded titanic vulva slug? :P
No.
But do you know the worst part?
They had lust at 100:100:100
Post by: brewer bob on May 04, 2024, 01:05:08 am
It was giant walking dongs everywhere. Like, whale-sized. All biomes. Cluster size 20-30. Frequency 100. Population number 100. They walked with their geldables. They were evil and attacked everything.
I, for one, approve of this and absolve you of your sins.
However,
I deleted it. So no raws.
This is a travesty and you must cleanse yourself with ‼MAGMA‼
Post by: King Zultan on May 04, 2024, 02:07:12 am
It was giant walking dongs everywhere. Like, whale-sized. All biomes. Cluster size 20-30. Frequency 100. Population number 100. They walked with their geldables. They were evil and attacked everything.That sounds like a beautiful and hilarious mod.
I deleted it. So no raws.
This right here is the sin your ancestors were up set about.
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 04, 2024, 03:31:19 am
It was giant walking dongs everywhere. Like, whale-sized. All biomes. Cluster size 20-30. Frequency 100. Population number 100. They walked with their geldables. They were evil and attacked everything.
To be fair, this what some people think of men as. Were their attacks slappy or stabby?
But i agree with the others, the real sin was deleting the raws. A hard loss for all.
Post by: brewer bob on May 04, 2024, 04:49:21 am
Were their attacks slappy or stabby?
The Giant Dong slaps Urist McDwarf in the head with his shaft, and the part is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass!
Urist McDwarf is propelled by the force of the blow!
Urist McDwarf is knocked unconscious!
Urist McDwarf has been found dead, badly crushed.
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 04, 2024, 04:55:04 am
Were their attacks slappy or stabby?
Slappy.
This is a travesty and you must cleanse yourself with ‼MAGMA‼
As if that would work? I mean, look at me.
Post by: Telgin on May 04, 2024, 12:20:03 pm
Anyway I'm very glad for the new palette system, but holy crap there has to be a better way to specify the palettes than how it works now. We don't have to duplicate the graphics 10 times anymore, but the config file is still thousands and thousands of lines long, repeating the same stuff over and over except for a color tag.
I also found something that's debatably a bug, or just a missing feature, but it doesn't appear to be possible for a mod to replace vanilla creature portraits. You can replace the creature graphics using the same creature name if you cut and replace the creature, but for some reason this doesn't work for portraits. It'll keep using the vanilla portraits, with no error in the logs. Deleting the vanilla creature portrait config fixed it, but that's not a valid solution for a mod.
I think the only solution is to cut a creature and replace it with a new identifier. But then you get error spam from the vanilla raws trying to add graphics for the cut creature.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 05, 2024, 04:26:11 am
Also, now all the spells are bugged and printing the user and target verb lines twice in announcements. No idea why that is. I wish I could disable the announcements in fort mode without losing them in adventure mode too. I hate that it constantly spams them as combat announcements.