Post by: piecewise on June 24, 2018, 08:58:50 am
If you want to talk out of character, or even just have an extended in character conversation that you don't want to fill the game page up with, do it here.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 24, 2018, 09:05:52 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 24, 2018, 09:43:37 am
Post by: Ozarck on June 24, 2018, 12:05:51 pm
Post by: piecewise on June 24, 2018, 12:14:38 pm
Aww. I liked the less prison rapey setting of the first game better. Been a while since the E_R days when we all had those explosive things in our heads.
As the post says, this is just an intro mission. The game is intended to be pretty much open world after it, like the first one. I just want to get people acclimatized with clear directions before letting them go free. Otherwise I fear half the player base will wander off out of not knowing what to do, like last time.
Post by: Egan_BW on June 24, 2018, 12:24:56 pm
Post by: PyroDesu on June 24, 2018, 12:50:57 pm
Also, I hope the guys responsible for the intro torture scene enjoy their job. After intimidating a dozen or so schmucks it becomes samey, you know?
Always important to do work you love.
Post by: Ozarck on June 24, 2018, 01:06:30 pm
Oh Piecewise, do you really think these bomb collars are going to stop that from happening? We'll be lucky if a third of us make it to the deadline, even luckier if we manage to get the sphere that warrants use of a full Bore to get too, and to get BACK ... well, from the looks of things, I shouldn't worry too much about the degree of insanity for my diver character and can go hog wild.Aww. I liked the less prison rapey setting of the first game better. Been a while since the E_R days when we all had those explosive things in our heads.
As the post says, this is just an intro mission. The game is intended to be pretty much open world after it, like the first one. I just want to get people acclimatized with clear directions before letting them go free. Otherwise I fear half the player base will wander off out of not knowing what to do, like last time.
Post by: Yottawhat on June 24, 2018, 09:16:06 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 25, 2018, 04:14:55 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 25, 2018, 05:04:28 am
Post by: Ozarck on June 25, 2018, 07:06:16 am
AsHul is a dick, but he's not particularly greedy, so he'll want a fair exchange.
Also, AsHul is open to conversing whit the other active divers. Perhaps to discuss cooperative diving, or exchanges of services.
AsHul is ambiguous toward exchanging services with Auft Kindheart.
Oz isn't sure he'll be able to track with the RP very well, what with schedules and sleep and stuff.
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 25, 2018, 09:17:38 am
Post by: Pancaek on June 25, 2018, 09:36:21 am
For the record, PW said we'd need 30 structural, 15 mechanical, 3 electrical and 3 chemical to build a workshop on the bore. The workshop will, IIRC, allow us to put together stuff that requires advanced(-ish) tools and start manufacturing drugs from whatever components we find on our little trips.
Post by: Caellath on June 25, 2018, 02:25:14 pm
Post by: PyroDesu on June 25, 2018, 03:51:14 pm
In terms of services, you want a shiny identified, he'll do his best. You want something dug out, he'll try. You need something that isn't a crewmate hit with a pile bunker... well, that depends on what's going on. You want a crewmate slapped up the side of the head because he's being an idiot? He's probably done it already if he saw the idiocy.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 25, 2018, 06:16:18 pm
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((Radio, I am neither an effective gunslinger nor an effective diver. My role is in my name, at least until I can upgrade my character a little. Even then, I intend to mostly focus on improving our firepower.))
I looked at both skills and gear when making up something for the mission roles. You want me to change your role to 'scaredy cat'? :P
Post by: Gentlefish on June 25, 2018, 06:27:52 pm
I am 100% worthless as a combatant, but I should be able to get you on your feet after severe trauma. After all, that's what the cave spider venom is for. Can't have you thrashing around complaining about a missing arm, better to numb the pain and paralyze you ;D
Post by: Pancaek on June 25, 2018, 06:31:49 pm
Post by: Caellath on June 25, 2018, 06:41:00 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on June 25, 2018, 06:42:43 pm
Dexterity is for shooting things. I have 12 of that, plus 1 pistol skill. This, combined with the above fact, is why I carry a revolver. So that if I happen to be alone and some xenomorph pops out, I can kill it before it kills me.
If there's something out there that needs to be deaded, I'd rather not go out and try to kill it. Because I have very little ability to resist being deaded myself by any other means than shooting first, and even then I'm not a very good glass cannon. No speed, merely adequate aim, and small gun.
Post by: Ozarck on June 26, 2018, 07:20:18 am
Or I could play the nameless character I have. He's pretty good in a fight, or so I assume.
Edit:
I'm confused:
Check the map. Is there any information on this place? Does it look like the bore has been here before?
Edit: If it isn't on the map, then add it. I guess there's no harm in doing so.
Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
A hand extends from the darkness and taps on the map several times, pointing at a particular spot.
"See this? We're in Anvil and just deep of us are some ruins. Right here. I want you, and the rest of the idiots we've got, to go in there and get me a Relic.
Post by: PyroDesu on June 26, 2018, 12:33:56 pm
Red-orange light leaks in around the circumference of the drill; combined with the smell of sulfur and the heat its clear they've broken into somewhere volcanic. They walk to the edge of the bore's drill and sidle around it and out into the cavern as far as they can. The hole is just that, a hole drilled out through a wall; no platform or land to stand on other then the lip of the tunnel. The cavern itself is large- maybe 400 feet tall, with the entrance they made at about the mid point- egg shaped, with flowing patterns of hardened magma all across it. The bottom third or so of the shape is filled with a pool of still quite hot and active magma, bright enough that it hurts to look at.
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Mr.Bones - Today at 1:20 PM
RC the idea with the magma in this, how it works which is radically unrealistic, I know, is that it has a single main thrust and then has dead end side paths that sometimes end in caverns with pools of magma.
The entire idea of you going down into that magma is silly, as is building structures around magma, but this is fantasy so I DON'T GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT
Journey to the center of the earth rules here
Radio Controlled - Today at 1:21 PM
Ahh, that is good to know, thanks for clarifying (info like this is the kind of shit that goes into the wiki once it's up).
Convection heat is still an issue though, I assume?
GentleFish (Wyatt) - Today at 1:22 PM
So, cool, it's not just a pool of magma. It's fantasy magma.
With pathways and shit
Mr.Bones - Today at 1:23 PM
It is, but much less so. Normally you'd not be able to even be in that cavern, I don't think. Here its following the standard fantasy rules of "Stay a bit back and you'll probably be ok. Don't fall in though"
Radio Controlled - Today at 1:24 PM
Ok then. In this case, for example, are we fine as long as we don't trip and dip into the magma, or will some heat protection still be required to be able to explore that structure?
Mr.Bones - Today at 1:26 PM
You'll be fine as long as you stay at least...oh like 5-10 feet away. Once you get that close you might get a bit crispy but actually touching it is the big danger
I can hear Pyro screaming already
popcorn
pancaek - Today at 1:26 PM
So the zipline plan could still be a thing. Nice.
PyroDesu - Today at 1:27 PM
REEEEEEE
REEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeee... I'm done now.
Mr.Bones - Today at 1:27 PM
I am still extremely amused that you guys saw a crystal palace with a space dragon flyign around and and were like "BUT WHAT BOUT CONVECTION MOTHER FUCKER?!"
Radio Controlled - Today at 1:28 PM
Because the worm might kill us, but without heat protection the heat will kill us.
Mr.Bones - Today at 1:29 PM
I promise you that if you are ever entering a place where the heat would be fatal without protection, I will let you know before you blunder in
Assuming you don't blunder in vertically at high speed, of course
pancaek - Today at 1:30 PM
You can't fault us for thinking that was also the case here, what with the "filled with magma that's radiating so much it's hard to look at."
Also, someone make sure to quote that, for future proof.
Post by: Ozarck on June 26, 2018, 12:54:04 pm
On the other hand, I'm like, stuck.
Post by: Pancaek on June 26, 2018, 01:08:46 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on June 26, 2018, 01:28:50 pm
Heh, watch it make the magnet stronger.
Post by: Ozarck on June 26, 2018, 01:47:22 pm
Are going to, like, need help to get up from there? Or are you comfy as you are?I wouldn't say no to a helping hand. Magnet's pretty powerful, so it'll be entertaining as fuck trying to navigate teh Bore to get Outside without getting stuck on literally everything. And while acting natural in front of the Mooks.
"What's wrong with teh Abomination?"
"Had a little too much to drink on the drive down."
"Why's he stuck to the ceiling?"
"Okay, he had a LOT too much to drink on the drive down."
Well, since it won't explode, he can just try to break it now without fear of explosive consequences.I'm slightly more concerned that he'll change the magnetism into radiation or something.
Heh, watch it make the magnet stronger.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 26, 2018, 02:03:54 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 26, 2018, 02:51:40 pm
also, my new spell, I am thinking of changing it, to move the magnetism into a different object instead of sealing it or altering it.
Lots of options, really. Moving it might be best though.
Altering it could end up with radiation or a strong electric discharge
sealing it could end up sealing the wrong thing, maybe permanently locking hte collar in place on the floor.
Moving it, well, the magnetism could end up in a body part instead of the targeted item, so there's that.
"You sit up. Everything seems fine. You pick up the loose Fathom. Hmm. shouldn't be able to do that. Curious, you attempt to stand, and immediately regret this decision profoundly, as your balls seem to violently disagree with this action. A nearby Mook, having observed all this, pulls out a knife with a wicked grin. 'Let's play a game, shall we?'"
on second thought, I think I'll try sealing it first.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 26, 2018, 02:56:43 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 26, 2018, 03:06:52 pm
Post by: Caellath on June 26, 2018, 10:26:57 pm
(Piecewise_) According to data I can find, silk rope actually does have a lot of stretch. Its a bit iffy in terms of source (usually bondage related) but I'd say you can expect maybe 10-15% stretch, longer if heavily weighted
piecewise and his bondage sources. Typical.
Post by: piecewise on June 26, 2018, 11:58:03 pm
http://www.1763.net/uploads/Which_RopeH.pdf(Piecewise_) According to data I can find, silk rope actually does have a lot of stretch. Its a bit iffy in terms of source (usually bondage related) but I'd say you can expect maybe 10-15% stretch, longer if heavily weighted
piecewise and his bondage sources. Typical.
https://crash-restraint.com/ties/2
Seriously. Silk rope is rarely used for anything except bondage. Probably because its so much more expensive.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 27, 2018, 04:54:56 am
Really, if the 'flowing patterns of hardened magma' are indicating solid bridges that cross the cavern (and not flowing patterns on the cavern wall) then drilling up to one of those and walking to the crystal structure seems more safe.
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The cavern itself is large- maybe 400 feet tall, with the entrance they made at about the mid point- egg shaped, with flowing patterns of hardened magma all across it.
Either method still leaves the star dragon of course. The hardened bridges might allow for 2 or more teams to try and get in on separate bridges, then if the SD goes after one that team can retreat, giving the other team time to get inside unmolested.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 27, 2018, 05:41:10 am
Only problem is that that might lead to the Magma level rising.
Edit: Although making a basket to sit in as a crude elevator shouldn't be that hard. People did it all the time in the middle ages.
Although now that I think about it, it's not really necessary, you can just tie people to the end of the rope and lower them down.
Edit2: And really, with the rope method you have less chances of encountering the dragon since you'll both be moving more quickly and you'll be going through the center while the dragon circles around the ruins.
Post by: Ozarck on June 27, 2018, 06:05:08 am
Three problems solved in one go.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 27, 2018, 06:33:24 am
From what I understand the thing is wrapped around the ruins like this. (The ruins are probably not shaped like a medieval castle, I just chose a shape with towers.) So really, as long as you don't touch the body and stay away from the head, it should be fine.
It also seems to be affected by physical objects so you might be able to hide in a hole to stay out of its reach. Assuming it can't shapeshift or had any alternate weapons. And assuming it's affected by all materials and there's nothing special about the material the ruins are made of.
Post by: Ozarck on June 27, 2018, 06:43:22 am
Quote from: Last turn
Swirling, dancing, writhing and snaking around this structure in constant movement is what could only be described as a worm made of stars.
Its must be huge, since its length is such that it could wrap around the ruins several times.
It keeps slithering through the air, cutting between spires, diving and rising erratically, wrapping the ruins in an uneven, constantly moving embrace.
And you people thought MY plans were reckless. Just gonna rappel down and hope you don't bump into it, eh?
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 27, 2018, 07:20:43 am
Second, it's just a proposal. That's why I ask if there are any safe landing spots in my action.
Third, it depends on how the dragon moves and how easy it is to descend. I mean, maybe the dragon doesn't rise above a certain point, meaning the roofs are safe. Or maybe this is like a game of snake. If the dragon's body remains mostly stable after its head passes through an area, then all you need to do is choose that point to descend, because you know the snake won't pass through itself, which should be doable assuming the air currents aren't powerful enough to throw you off course.
Oh, and you can just call me Paris, no need to stick the bre at the end.
Post by: Ozarck on June 27, 2018, 07:59:07 am
Which won't be until tomorrow, at the earliest, according to the Discord.
I figure the rope climbing will be trivial. PW played around with that being challenging in the first Dig, but I get the impression he finds it more trouble than its worth, though I'd like to see it as an actual climb, since spelunking is an actual skill in game:
Quote from: the Rules
Caving: For traversing caves using ropes and other more traditional means.
Anyway, I think there are a lot of good ideas presented on how to proceed, but I worry that a decision has been made before we have enough information. I don't necessarily want ot ride the bore up to the top of the cavern just yet. I think we have a few good options for getting there from here, though PW did say it would be very ricky.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 27, 2018, 09:47:43 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 27, 2018, 10:22:30 am
Post by: Caellath on June 27, 2018, 10:54:59 am
Which's convenient because the problem at hand means we don't have many actions to process.
Post by: Pancaek on June 27, 2018, 11:02:34 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 27, 2018, 11:09:33 am
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Edit: Although making a basket to sit in as a crude elevator shouldn't be that hard. People did it all the time in the middle ages.Yeah, the construction should be doable, but getting the materials could be tricky. Pan has 1 structural junk but that probably wouldn't suffice. I guess we could cannibalize the bore a bit in a pinch (I'm sure we can find an armor panel somewhere that isn't strictly needed as long as we don't do any more drilling) but that's basically subterranean heresy. Or we go to the nearby settlement and see what we can scrounge up.
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Although now that I think about it, it's not really necessary, you can just tie people to the end of the rope and lower them down.This gives a hilarious mental image. Just a bunch of unlucky people tied together resembling a neat bunch of grapes. And then the star dragon realizes he hasn't had second breakfast* yet...
*yes, the star dragon is a hobbit
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Edit2: And really, with the rope method you have less chances of encountering the dragon since you'll both be moving more quickly and you'll be going through the center while the dragon circles around the ruins.Are you sure it'd go quicker? There'd be more distance to cover vertically than horizontally, right? Another possible downside is that the people being lowered won't be able to do much outside of maybe shooting or diving, while people moving over a bridge might be allowed to try and sneak to avoid the dragon's gaze or get a dodge roll if it decides to do something.
On the other hand, if the dragon is indeed moving in a fixed pattern and not going through the middle (and doesn't react much to our presence) then it probably is the safest option all in all.
Talking about that, Lokam does have Caving skill and moth wings. If we need someone to get to the other side, he could do it.
Post by: Ozarck on June 27, 2018, 07:48:50 pm
On the other hand, if the dragon is indeed moving in a fixed pattern and not going through the middle (and doesn't react much to our presence) then it probably is the safest option all in all.
[/quote]I agree that hanging from a rope makes most of the team rather fixed targets, unable to do much should the wyrm attack. The winded ones might be able to float away, if they aren't tied in, or are tied with slip knots that can easily be undone. A bridge may or may not give us much room to dodge though. But at least it wold give us a simpler method of running away. I suppose if the rope were operated by the bore's drill as a wench, the team cold rapidly be hauled up, if PW doesn't take the communications delay into account.
The Dark Astral Wyrm does not move in a fixed pattern, and the description of it's movements suggests heavily that it isn't avoiding any particular place in the ruins that we can tell from here:
Quote from: Last turn
Swirling, dancing, writhing and snaking around this structure in constant movement is what could only be described as a worm made of stars.
Its must be huge, since its length is such that it could wrap around the ruins several times.
It keeps slithering through the air, cutting between spires, diving and rising erratically, wrapping the ruins in an uneven, constantly moving embrace.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 28, 2018, 02:53:23 am
And people can usually slide down a rope faster then they can run, although there is indeed the issue that you are on a fixed trajectory and can't dodge. However that all depends on if it's dangerous or outright hostile. If you merely need to avoid its body rather than outright escape its attacks and there is a safe landing spot, then there's no problem.
A bridge can also become a deathtrap if the dragon is hostile and intelligent. With such a long body, it could simply use its body to wrap itself around either end of the bridge and then eat the people trapped there at its leisure. It all depends on how dangerous Piecewise wants to make this thing.
Given that it was described as one of the monsters that drove the humans from the overworld, I'd normally say it's pretty dangerous, but then again this is the first mission and we don't know how trustworthy the church's teachings are yet.
Edit: Due to our lack of information, this could very well end up like this: https://youtu.be/92gP2J0CUjc
Post by: Gentlefish on June 28, 2018, 10:06:30 am
Post by: Ozarck on June 28, 2018, 10:43:27 am
Swirling, dancing, writhing and snaking around this structure in constant movement is what could only be described as a worm made of stars. Its must be huge, since its length is such that it could wrap around the ruins several times. It keeps slithering through the air, cutting between spires, diving and rising erratically, wrapping the ruins in an uneven, constantly moving embrace. It doesn't have a definite edge that you can see, its like a hazy cloud of darkness studded with bright spots of white light. A constellation escaped from the sky and come to visit terror upon the world, just like the Church says.Technically we weren't told it was, just given flavor text indicating our likely reaction to it.
Post by: Gentlefish on June 28, 2018, 10:49:47 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 28, 2018, 12:32:19 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on June 28, 2018, 12:59:13 pm
I'll sew a second head onto you! B-Baka!
Post by: Ozarck on June 30, 2018, 03:12:52 am
Noth, Sige (Physics:length + alteration)
4 rolls for the path. shouldn't need too many reinforcement rolls, since you have plenty of rope.
Then just tie some of the rope into harness form. Should take maybe ten feet of rope to make a reasonable harness for any but the largest of the crew.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 30, 2018, 04:00:31 am
Post by: Ozarck on June 30, 2018, 05:42:14 am
also, there's no reason you need to lower everyone at once. make multiple trips.
Also also, just punt the moths out the door. they'll make it down just fine. assuming the lure of the bright shiny light doesn't draw them to a fiery death.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 30, 2018, 06:01:08 am
Also, a spell on the rope could damage it if the spell fails, a spell on a random rock is less likely to break anything important.
Edit: though if someone on discord could ask if we would be allowed to replace the harness recipe by using only rope that’d be convenient.
Post by: Ozarck on June 30, 2018, 06:16:09 am
but apparently silk has pretty high tensile strength, thog hthe recommended load for arope is much less than the laboratory measured tensile strength, for reasons.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 30, 2018, 07:22:31 pm
https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Dig_Wiki:Sandbox
As you can see from the text, fairly standard stuff. (Don't use the visual editor to view/edit the page's text, it's not very good at it. Press on the menu next to the edit button and switch to classic editor.)
While experimenting with the new module feature, I've seen that it is possible to maintain a database of sorts. You can see the dataset I created for my tests here:
https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Module:Players
https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Module:Player_Kara
(I may have put a bit too much information in there, but I wasn't sure which I was going to use.)
Having the data stored like that greatly simplifies template creation. You can see that for the final template in the sandbox, which uses this feature, I just had to type:
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{{#invoke:Stats|byName|name=Kara}}And the template found the necessary data and constructed the infobox out of them.It also greatly increases flexibility, allowing templates to grow much more complicated (e.g. have a template that displays your entire inventory (or maybe only the pieces of your inventory that you consider important) simply by giving your name to a template).
It also enforces a Single Source of Truth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_source_of_truth), meaning that you don't need to copy the same information over and over, worrying about discrepancies. (If you remember, we had to rely on the unwieldy transclusion mechanism in the ER wiki by using some hacks in the templates and some extra pages to end up with the player's stats getting copied from one page to others. This is a much easier way to solve that problem.)
However, it does present a slightly higher barrier of entry for people editing (then again, in the old ER wiki most edits were done by a small dedicated group that knew the ins and outs of the wiki, people who were willing to help new editors learn the ropes, so maybe that's not as important).
It also makes the wiki more inflexible (if something isn't accommodated by the data structures/templates, the templates and data structures will have to be edited or the information will have to be tacked on wherever necessary) and less robust (if I end up being the only one understanding the templates, then if I get hit by a bus we'll end up with nobody to edit the templates).
I just wanted to ask, is this something the people that would be updating the wiki would be willing to use? Should I keep developing/experimenting with it?
Or are the templates as they are now good enough and everything else can be taken care of by our editors?
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 01, 2018, 07:21:56 am
Quote from: Radio Controlled in Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/462779387817754624
In general I wonder for what kinds of info the templates would be convenient, and when some regular wiki text/table would be more convenient. For charsheets it seems like a good idea, but what other types of info do you think would need to be copied/used often?I dunno man, I'm just the guy writing the templates here. Could you use an inventory template? A crafting recipe template? Maybe a template that automatically creates the entire armoury? A template that lists stats, skills, inventory and short description of people in a certain expedition? Maybe a template that makes a table of all characters and lets you order them by stats and skills? A template that lists all inventory items of all active non-dead characters? Hell, maybe I could use the data to make some automatic diving GUI/calculation website given enough time. Would any of these be useful? Would something else be useful? Would they make things hard for no reason? I don't know. It's hard for me to tell, I don't have the necessary perspective. I just saw something interesting that had possibilities and thought I'd try it out, see if it works, mostly to see if I could do it.
For me personally, it would actually be much easier to just leave things as they are and let the editors worry about updating everything. After all, I mostly just update my own charsheet and maybe add some general info or help around with other charsheets if I feel like it. So it would be the least amount of work for me.
And for right now, maybe the sort of effort needed to maintain that sort of thing isn't warranted. Maybe people are unlikely to spend time updating the wiki for simple things like updating their bullet count or the turns left to their silent night or whatever, so trying to keep it in a unified system that looks the same everywhere is a waste of effort, especially if it ends up making people even more unlikely to edit. I mean, we don't know the future, for all we know it might never end up being useful.
The reason I'm mentioning this now rather than later is because we're still in the design phase, we haven't put in any work on the wiki. Once we do, it will probably not be worth the effort to change our approach later. So that's why I'm asking your (plural) opinion about this, if it would be something you'd be willing to do and find useful.
Responding here due to Discord's 2000 character limit.
Post by: Ozarck on July 01, 2018, 08:49:11 am
I wouldn't do the character table to list by stats and skills though.
a template that automatically recreates the armory seems unnecessary
maybe one that allows editors to click checkboxes for inventory, and enter a value for Fathoms.
Post by: Gentlefish on July 01, 2018, 01:18:41 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on July 02, 2018, 05:59:52 am
Quote from: Radio Controlled in Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/462779387817754624In general I wonder for what kinds of info the templates would be convenient, and when some regular wiki text/table would be more convenient. For charsheets it seems like a good idea, but what other types of info do you think would need to be copied/used often?I dunno man, I'm just the guy writing the templates here. Could you use an inventory template? A crafting recipe template? Maybe a template that automatically creates the entire armoury? A template that lists stats, skills, inventory and short description of people in a certain expedition? Maybe a template that makes a table of all characters and lets you order them by stats and skills? A template that lists all inventory items of all active non-dead characters? Hell, maybe I could use the data to make some automatic diving GUI/calculation website given enough time. Would any of these be useful? Would something else be useful? Would they make things hard for no reason? I don't know. It's hard for me to tell, I don't have the necessary perspective. I just saw something interesting that had possibilities and thought I'd try it out, see if it works, mostly to see if I could do it.
For me personally, it would actually be much easier to just leave things as they are and let the editors worry about updating everything. After all, I mostly just update my own charsheet and maybe add some general info or help around with other charsheets if I feel like it. So it would be the least amount of work for me.
And for right now, maybe the sort of effort needed to maintain that sort of thing isn't warranted. Maybe people are unlikely to spend time updating the wiki for simple things like updating their bullet count or the turns left to their silent night or whatever, so trying to keep it in a unified system that looks the same everywhere is a waste of effort, especially if it ends up making people even more unlikely to edit. I mean, we don't know the future, for all we know it might never end up being useful.
The reason I'm mentioning this now rather than later is because we're still in the design phase, we haven't put in any work on the wiki. Once we do, it will probably not be worth the effort to change our approach later. So that's why I'm asking your (plural) opinion about this, if it would be something you'd be willing to do and find useful.
Responding here due to Discord's 2000 character limit.
I think that just the template for the charsheets would be enough, most of the other stuff can probably just be handled ad-hoc and with standard wikia tables (and wouldn't want you to do work if it isn't necessary). A sort of diving success calculator could maybe be handy though?
Post by: Gentlefish on July 02, 2018, 10:02:42 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on July 04, 2018, 03:07:59 pm
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The DIG wiki is now live! Much like in ER and the original DIG, this is where we will gather all of the information about the game, from rules and mechanics to lore and worldbuilding. You can click this link (https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Dig_Wiki), or the fancy link in my sig to get you there.
Currently, all of the info from the rules and lore docs have been added, as well as some additional stuff. However, most of the things that have been brought up in the thread up till now, such as the crafting recipes, aren't in there yet, so feel free to start adding them in! As always, editing a wikia page does not require you to make an account, so don't let that stop you. However, if you do make an account and make edits while logged in you can earn little DIG achievement badges that are almost as useless as they are neat to have.
If you don't know where to start, you can start by making a character page. If you want an example, you can look at this handsome devil (https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Adam_Blavatsky_Darvaza) to get an idea (thanks to paris for nifty templates*). You can use your own character page as your own playground, and you could use it to keep track of things such as personal goals or notes or more in depth physical descriptions of your character. Note that you'll still need to post your charsheet within your turns though.
Happy editing!
*and to everyone else who already helped cobble this thing together.
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 06, 2018, 01:26:04 pm
You can use it to calculate diving odds. Click on the spheres to select them. Click again to reinforce them.
It's very simple right now. It also uses a very dumb calculation for its stats, so calculations for really deep dives (20+ rolls) might take a while to complete. I might work on improving it and adding more features later. But even at its current state it is very useful for getting a feel for the system and gaining some interesting insights.
Like the fact that a powerful diver rolling at advantage can be very scary: https://parisbre56.github.io/spheres.html?path=Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Akhmah,Jal,Undyne,En,En,En,En,En,En,En,En,En,En,En&nerve=19&state=adv
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2018, 02:05:51 pm
Post by: Ozarck on July 06, 2018, 03:06:54 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 06, 2018, 04:00:49 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 09, 2018, 08:36:52 am
New version includes:
A larger, more readable map.
The ability to long press/touch (tested on Firefox and Chrome for Android) or right click to show additional information about the spheres
A reset button (near the top to make it less likely to press it accidentally)
More smart calculations so you can make even deeper dives using buckets of Dice (see, for example, a dive to summon a giant laser beam (https://parisbre56.github.io/spheres.html?path=Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Telazch,Es,Sige,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi&nerve=19&state=adv))
I can't think of anything else to add. I think I'll leave it as is for now, unless anyone has any suggestions.
Post by: Ozarck on July 09, 2018, 10:41:49 am
Post by: Gentlefish on July 09, 2018, 11:00:03 am
Sorry guys, I had a rough weekend. Was not expecting two posts in a day.
Post by: piecewise on July 09, 2018, 11:55:56 am
Buh, seriously. It looks fantastic. Might be worth a wiki link under the diving page/section.Sometimes I am too fast for my own good. Sometimes I am lazy. Always I am inconsistent.
Sorry guys, I had a rough weekend. Was not expecting two posts in a day.
Diving calculator 1.1 is here.
New version includes:
A larger, more readable map.
The ability to long press/touch (tested on Firefox and Chrome for Android) or right click to show additional information about the spheres
A reset button (near the top to make it less likely to press it accidentally)
More smart calculations so you can make even deeper dives using buckets of Dice (see, for example, a dive to summon a giant laser beam (https://parisbre56.github.io/spheres.html?path=Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Tzimtzvot,Telazch,Es,Sige,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi,Xi&nerve=19&state=adv))
I can't think of anything else to add. I think I'll leave it as is for now, unless anyone has any suggestions.
Sweet. What do you think the best way to host this thing for players is? Just link to it on the front page?
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 09, 2018, 03:18:03 pm
BTW, the GIMP file I used to make the image is here with all its layers, in case anyone wants to change the colors or fix the lines or whatever: https://github.com/parisbre56/parisbre56.github.io/blob/master/spheres.xcf
Nice edits. looks pretty good. You're a hero to the reckless and insane, Paris.Hmm. I was thinking that by knowing the odds, people would be less likely to be reckless and insane, so I was protecting myself. But maybe all I was doing was shooting myself in the foot. Or whatever the diving equivalent of that is. :P
Sometimes I am too fast for my own good. Sometimes I am lazy. Always I am inconsistent.Piecewise: consistently inconsistent. And we love him for it.
Sweet. What do you think the best way to host this thing for players is? Just link to it on the front page?Yeah, sure. People would probably see it, since they have to read the first post to find the rules. If it's there and on the wiki, I assume anyone who would want to use it would be able to find it.
If people don't like that and prefer to have it offline I guess I could stick it in a zip and put it in Google drive or something. But from what I understand almost everyone is constantly online these days.
Post by: Gentlefish on July 11, 2018, 11:45:58 am
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E: Working template is up!
Code: [Select]
{{CharacterSheet|[spoiler][b]Drett Medizin, Ethral[/b] [list] [li]Str: 07[/li] [li]Dex: 12[/li] [li]Spe: 10[/li] [li]End: 08[/li] [li]Awa: 07[/li] [li]Cun: 14[/li] [li]Kno: 15[/li] [li]Ner: 10[/li] [/list][hr] [b]SKILLS:[/b] [list] [li]Medical +2[/li] [li]Biological +2[/li] [li]Mechanical +1[/li] [li]Chemical +1[/li] [li]Occult +1[/li] [li]Archeology +1[/li] [/list][hr] [b]INVENTORY:[/b] [list] [li]Doctor's Bag x1[/li] [li]Field Lighter x1[/li] [li]Cave Spider Venom x6[/li] [li]Fathoms x10[/li] [/list][/spoiler]}}
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 15, 2018, 12:29:23 pm
I'm thinking of categorizing characters based on Status, like we did in ER wiki. Right now I'm thinking:
Alive = Active Character
Dead = Dead Character
Inactive = Inactive Character
NPC = Non-Player Character
Does anybody have any objections or suggestions?
Post by: Gentlefish on July 16, 2018, 01:40:46 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 17, 2018, 10:10:43 am
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If you're adding something in the wiki, consider also adding a citation pointing to the source for whatever you're adding. This can help verify the information and find related info. Citations can be added like this:Code: [Select]<ref>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7796496#msg7796496</ref>and will be added automatically to the list of citations. To display the list, you need to add this to the bottom of the article if it hasn't been added already:Code: [Select]<references />You can see an example of this here: https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Races_and_Creatures
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 10, 2018, 04:46:30 pm
Light damn it all, this is why... Drett curses under his breath constantly as he moves immediately to Wiellste.
I don't think there is much I can do for her. Kara, are you in any pain?
Tend to the (most indeedly dead) moth on the ground. Any chance at all of resuscitation?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He's dead Jim.
Fairly sure Wiellste is the dead one.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 10, 2018, 05:19:54 pm
Post by: Ozarck on August 11, 2018, 12:45:39 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 13, 2018, 04:05:36 pm
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Sacrifice my revolver, and a point of Speed.
Again, 6, 20, 14, 21.
Estimate the reinforcement needed to transmute the explosive into an inert, or at least not immediately threatening substance, without touching the sensors or Nyw.
If no estimate, 3 material and 5 action.
From when I asked about it before:
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Consider how difficult it would be to use a dive to convert the explosives in a collar into a non-dangerous substance (aka how many times the material and action spheres would need to be reinforced minimally).
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[4]
Hmm...Well the material sphere could probably be just a 1, but the action sphere would need to have few pumped into it or you might accidentally do too much or too little. Need some precision here. No good turning the bomb to inert material if you also do the same with the person's spinal cord.
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That's already pretty useful, but for the action sphere I was hoping for a little more granularity than 'a few'. Are we talking a range from 2 to 4, more like around 6, or what?
Also, assuming we'd be trying to do these collar disabling dives, how many could a diver do in a single turn? Assuming the only thing he'd be doing is the same dive over and over again to disable collars.
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Probably 4...ish.
One, but if you're doing the same thing over and over, one right after the next, I'll give you advantage in every dive after the first successful one.
Post by: Ozarck on August 13, 2018, 04:54:20 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 13, 2018, 05:05:46 pm
Edit: unless you mean the other guards you may encounter on the way.
Post by: Ozarck on August 13, 2018, 05:22:27 pm
Sheared of your precious shiny loot.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 13, 2018, 07:38:54 pm
QuoteSacrifice my revolver, and a point of Speed.
Again, 6, 20, 14, 21.
Estimate the reinforcement needed to transmute the explosive into an inert, or at least not immediately threatening substance, without touching the sensors or Nyw.
If no estimate, 3 material and 5 action.
From when I asked about it before:QuoteConsider how difficult it would be to use a dive to convert the explosives in a collar into a non-dangerous substance (aka how many times the material and action spheres would need to be reinforced minimally).Quote[4]
Hmm...Well the material sphere could probably be just a 1, but the action sphere would need to have few pumped into it or you might accidentally do too much or too little. Need some precision here. No good turning the bomb to inert material if you also do the same with the person's spinal cord.QuoteThat's already pretty useful, but for the action sphere I was hoping for a little more granularity than 'a few'. Are we talking a range from 2 to 4, more like around 6, or what?
Also, assuming we'd be trying to do these collar disabling dives, how many could a diver do in a single turn? Assuming the only thing he'd be doing is the same dive over and over again to disable collars.QuoteProbably 4...ish.
One, but if you're doing the same thing over and over, one right after the next, I'll give you advantage in every dive after the first successful one.
I most certainly do not have this information IC.
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 14, 2018, 08:05:57 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 19, 2018, 07:41:19 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey now, Radio did no such thing! Instead Radio hadn't anticipated that the answer to that question would take some time, so Radio couldn't get things done while still having access to a computer, and after that more pressing matters cropped up that demanded Radio's undivided attention.
Ahem, but yeah, sorry if I held anything up. I haven't really had much free computer time/access for the last couple of days. Blame things like work not giving a peep for more than a month then suddenly going "Hey please fill out this stack of paperwork ASAP kthxbye" and/or my poor time management.
Post by: Ozarck on August 19, 2018, 09:27:03 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 24, 2018, 05:32:33 pm
Quote from: loot from dead guards
There are in total 22 corpses, 16 ethral rifles, 8 knives of various kinds, 3 revolvers, 2 hooked cleavers, 4 soldier chestplates, 4 dynamo lanterns, doctor's bag, short sword, 5 slave traps, 20 worm blood, 500 feet of silk rope, 5 tnt. And some junk of various, but that will depend on if you wanna take things apart or what
Quote from: stuff in the warehouse
There's what amounts to a forklift, some crates, some scrap metal, general warehouse gubbins
To make sure we can keep track of our pool of communal stuff, I made a new wiki page for it: https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/The_Warehouse
If you take anything for your own inventory, be sure to update that wiki page accordingly.
For the fathoms, I personally propose we give 100 fathoms (or fewer?) to everyone that's still lucid and use the remainder for general bore (or warehouse) upgrades. Also I'd say Kara and Vikkan's prosthetics (should they want them, mind) could come from this general fund.
General/essential bore upgrades I think that we'll want to get:
- life support for extended operations (eg air recycler) if that isn't accounted for yet.
- crew quarters:
- sleeping arrangements
- bathrooms/washing rooms
- rec room/common room so we have a place to wreck
- mechanical workshop
Anything I missed?
Some other upgrades that would be nice to have but aren't as essential, and so can wait for later:
- chem lab
- diver sanctuary (incidentally an airlock that can be quickly flushed)
- comms: not sure how long range comms work in this world, maybe it could work like in dig 1.0?
- sensor suite maybe? To not accidentally stumble into the magma sea drill-first.
Post by: Ozarck on August 26, 2018, 02:01:31 pm
I am fine with the team fund being spent on:
crew quarters (not necessarily the rec room though)
life support as needed
a basic workshop, if there is enough after the split.
Post by: Pancaek on August 26, 2018, 02:54:01 pm
What I really want:
1 or 2 corpses, Knife, revolver (or rifle), 1 or 2 TNT, 1 or 2 Bomb collars.
Extras if I can get them:
As many corpses as I can get (for crafting), as many bomb collars as I can get (for research), Leftover firearms (for crafting), Some of that silk rope, moar TNT, some wormblood (for crafting)
Post by: Hotfire90 on August 26, 2018, 03:06:41 pm
Post by: Ozarck on August 26, 2018, 03:11:29 pm
Post by: Yottawhat on August 26, 2018, 03:26:18 pm
On the topic of loot, I'm willing to split the corpses with Pancaek, so long as no one else needs them as well.
I'll also take a knife and two worms bloods.
Spoiler: Moku Youkou (click to show/hide)
Post by: Egan_BW on August 26, 2018, 03:47:22 pm
Post by: Devastator on August 26, 2018, 03:58:28 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 26, 2018, 04:00:40 pm
Post by: Yottawhat on August 26, 2018, 04:21:06 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 26, 2018, 04:45:06 pm
Post by: Pancaek on August 26, 2018, 05:00:33 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 26, 2018, 05:05:57 pm
Perhaps if you want to divide those 2000 fathoms, you should actually talk to the person who owns that money. ;) Don't reckon without your host, don't count your chickens before they hatch, all that jazz.The person who owns the money is currently passing out in a hay-bale, so including her in the conversation is a bit difficult.
But hey, if you want to hoard all that money to yourself, feel free. You don't owe me anything, and I owe you at least one arm.
Post by: Ozarck on August 27, 2018, 01:02:04 am
Perhaps if you want to divide those 2000 fathoms, you should actually talk to the person who owns that money. ;) Don't reckon without your host, don't count your chickens before they hatch, all that jazz.
Hey paris, what do you think about dividing the Fathoms thus: 100 to each character who joined before the timeskip, and the remaining going to Bore upgrades and possibly warehouse repairs? Edit: Oh, I'd be cool with Kara getting a replacement arm before the distribution. Also, we could wait and see how much various bore and warehouse modifications will ost before aking the final decision.
As for asking Kara, AsHul hasn't voted IC, so whatevs.
Also,
Spoiler: I am against anyone hording the majority of any of the items (click to show/hide)
Finally, From the communal pool,
I request an equal share of the worm's blood with whoever else is taking some.
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 11:59:13 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 27, 2018, 12:07:22 pm
It might be wise to work that out before worrying about accents.
Edit: also, some are a little concerned about your loot grabbing. Some think it a little much for someone who joined on the return trip.
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 12:21:17 pm
Also, if I don’t grab any loot, how can I help the team?
Post by: Ozarck on August 27, 2018, 01:38:41 pm
I'm not entirely sure of the mechanics of how they speak, but they speak clearly enough to be understood by the other races.
Post by: IronyOwl on August 27, 2018, 01:41:16 pm
On the topic of loot, I'm willing to split the corpses with Pancaek, so long as no one else needs them as well.I need them as well!
We should probably get a tally of all the people who want to disassemble corpses for loot, though. I know we have a few, but it's a relatively specialized need.
No, like how do they actually make noises?Presumably they have roughly human-ish speaky-bits. I don't think we know exactly what their vocal cords and mouthparts and whatnot are like.
Also, if I don’t grab any loot, how can I help the team?
Grabbing a weapon if you don't already have one but do have ammo for it helps you help the team. Grabbing all the corpses does not help you help the team. Well, unless you have something specific and team-helping in mind to craft with them.
Also, you weren't on the mission so people are going to be understandably wary of you showing up afterwards to seize the loot for said mission.
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 02:12:21 pm
you can help the team by properly building your character's starting equipment, then doing useful things for the team, including role playing with team members. Remember, your character is a bit of an outsider at this point. It would be reasonable for him to attempt to make nice with everyone and be accepted as part of the group.If you look at the goals, you'll notice that it's pretty hard for my character to make friends and/or talk to stranger, and therefore he will summon/build a friend. I probably shouldn't have done that.
I'm not entirely sure of the mechanics of how they speak, but they speak clearly enough to be understood by the other races.
Post by: Caellath on August 27, 2018, 02:14:01 pm
And you should really roll your starting fathoms then spend them so as to not be completely dependent upon this mission's loot.
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 02:17:29 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on August 27, 2018, 02:35:00 pm
+1 Str, Dex, Awa
New statblock:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 27, 2018, 02:40:53 pm
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 02:54:17 pm
Post by: Caellath on August 27, 2018, 03:26:08 pm
Post by: Praefectus Screptum on August 27, 2018, 06:56:40 pm
Post by: Caellath on August 27, 2018, 07:16:15 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 27, 2018, 08:39:31 pm
Also, Kara is totally the boss right now. Only other people who might come close are Vikkan the pilot, and Clate the guy with a clipboard.
Though I'm not sure if asking Kara to officially be the bore captain would result in much tail bobbing, or a stress-induced heart attack.
Post by: Leodanny on August 27, 2018, 09:03:32 pm
Looting... rifle
Cleaver
Optional:
Revolver
Corpses
Lantern
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 28, 2018, 06:11:23 am
Obviously this is not final, for one several people have not posted to say what they want.
Post by: Ozarck on August 28, 2018, 07:17:45 am
I also now request a share in the rope. Can't go wrong with rope. 50' is enough.
Spoiler: regarding Leodanny's inventory (click to show/hide)
Leo, IC your character may have trouble making friends, and ooc you may have trouble with that, but respect the group.
Go back and edit your looting action, turning it into a request rather than a straight up loot grab. And don't assume you get a rifle or handgun just because. As paris said in her lootsplit - go buy your own weapon. You are starting to annoy.
((I know, you guys, I know. I've been annoying for much longer. :-\ ))
Post by: The Lupanian on August 28, 2018, 07:53:39 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 28, 2018, 08:32:36 am
Post by: Leodanny on August 28, 2018, 09:02:46 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 28, 2018, 09:19:38 am
Sorry about everything
It's cool. Don't feel too bad about it. You'll get the hang of the group dynamic soon enough, and we're generally pretty tolerant of each other. Otherwise I'd have been tarred and feathered at least twice a year since I first joined.
Post by: Leodanny on August 28, 2018, 10:50:58 am
Post by: Egan_BW on August 28, 2018, 11:47:05 am
Spoiler: Notable actions for payment (click to show/hide)
It wasn't an action that required a roll, but Wiellste did splice together the two seperate ropes that we used as a winch to get down.
It probably doesn't count, but I did successfully remove Nyw's collar, though it didn't end up mattering. I also rolled knowledge a lot, told Vikkan what went down with his arm, edited our wiki with information on a few spheres... >_>
Post by: Gentlefish on August 29, 2018, 01:37:55 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 30, 2018, 05:57:34 am
So, right now we have 15 open rooms. That means we can probably install all Tinker workshops in the bore with no trouble. That means we can tinker wherever we go.
However that has the downside that if the bore is damaged in any way, we also risk damaging those workshops. There's also the possibility of the workshops themselves becoming dangerous (e.g. when crafting poisons or explosives) and damaging the bore or hurting the people in it. Furthermore, if there are teams doing missions in Anvil, they won't be able to return to the warehouse to use the workshops. Finally, this forces people who want to be dedicated tinkerers instead of field tinkerers to stay with the bore at all times instead of staying in the warehouse.
I believe the benefits of installing the workshops in the bore greatly outweigh the drawbacks, so we should go ahead and do that. However we should also look into addressing those drawbacks, either now or in the future. For example, we could ensure the chemical workshop has proper ventilation, drainage and emergency showers, stuff like that.
So, for bore upgrades, we have:
General workshop (definitely need)
Chemical workshop (should have)
Gunsmithing workshop (good to have)
Living quarters (should have, mostly for IC reasons or for transporting passengers)
Fragile/Dangerous Materials storage/Armory (good to have)
I think we should also check the prices for upgrading the bore's mechanical brain so that we can craft and install some heavy weapons on it. As experience has shown us, we can't rely on diving to take care of large enemies, it's better to have a more mundane solution we can try first. We currently have a system of 6 meaning any heavy weapons we install wouldn't be very accurate. I guess we could attach some manned heavy weapons platforms on the outside of the bore to circumvent the bad system, but I'd prefer it if the driver could just fire whenever he wants.
Any comments?
If it looks good and nobody has any objections or better ideas, we should probably go ahead and buy those things. Either buy the parts for you Tinkers to assemble if you feel confident you could do so or just buy them ready made.
Post by: Ozarck on August 30, 2018, 07:17:29 am
Post by: Pancaek on August 30, 2018, 09:32:34 am
-snip-On the topic of workshops being dangerous, the chemical workshop requires a fume hood as one of its parts. Perhaps this is an indiciation that workshops come with certain safety features as standard. Or perhaps not, we'd have to ask PW.
I'm certainly willing to give putting the workshops together ourselves from loose parts a shot. I should have about a 80% chance of doing so, and in the case of the general workshop it saves us a 100 fathoms. Maybe I can snort some drugs to get advantage on the roll or something.
I would say that maybe getting a bore brain upgrade and some kind of bore weapon outweighs the chemical and gun workshop. We can already do some gunsmithing work with the general workshop (and maybe some chemical too?), so having the bore be able to defend itself takes precedence over getting more specialized crafting station, I feel.
I'm going to try and get us a discount on parts this turn, so we still have a while to decide.
Post by: Ozarck on August 30, 2018, 09:39:32 am
Post by: Pancaek on August 30, 2018, 09:45:05 am
In any case, I put in my action to go check it out. Maybe we can get all of it at once if we stretch our budget a bit.
Post by: Ozarck on August 30, 2018, 10:05:07 am
Post by: Pancaek on August 30, 2018, 10:11:44 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 30, 2018, 10:15:46 am
eyes the ghouls slavering for corpsy goodness, the moth fetishists, and the fetishist moth.
Carefully avoids looking in the direction of the tinkers, shellfish or otherwise.
Post by: Pancaek on August 30, 2018, 10:21:45 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 30, 2018, 10:42:32 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 30, 2018, 10:53:31 am
Post by: Pancaek on August 30, 2018, 10:56:20 am
Post by: Gentlefish on August 30, 2018, 10:57:28 am
Post by: Egan_BW on August 30, 2018, 07:09:37 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 31, 2018, 06:50:31 am
However melee combat is more dangerous than ranged, especially when you're fighting non-mundane beings that could damage you merely by being close to them or touching them. There's also situations where you can't safely reach your target, like the Star Dragon in the Ruins.
In any case, I don't think weapons should be a very high priority. We shouldn't be accepting any missions that would have us facing such large targets. If we do have to face such a target, it might be best to just run away and try to circumvent them instead.
Post by: Ozarck on August 31, 2018, 11:01:47 am
You got Speed and Awareness. (really sorry I didn't roll better)
Also, remember, you get 1 skill point to spend or hoard like sweet, sweet loot.
Uh ... if you happen to scroll back through the discord and see me rolling 7d20>10 and 1d20>13 ....
disregard that.
Post by: Yottawhat on August 31, 2018, 05:51:00 pm
Post by: syvarris on August 31, 2018, 05:55:55 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 01, 2018, 01:53:32 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 01, 2018, 09:22:23 am
Radio. With PW's permission, I rolled your level up.
You got Speed and Awareness. (really sorry I didn't roll better)
Also, remember, you get 1 skill point to spend or hoard like sweet, sweet loot.
Uh ... if you happen to scroll back through the discord and see me rolling 7d20>10 and 1d20>13 ....
disregard that.
Honest truth: first I had thought to just ask you to roll it since you had done a few already and didn't seem to mind doing them, but then I had this strange feeling that would result in a really bad lvl-up, so I explicitly asked pw instead. And then you did it anyway and look, my premonition was right all along! THE POWERS OF SUBTERRANEAN PRECOG ARE MINE!
Ah well, it happens, better luck next time. Thanks for the help either way!
Post by: Ozarck on September 01, 2018, 09:30:31 am
If you are dissatisfied, I will request PW to roll it up for you instead. I'm sure he'll oblige. I just like rolling them up, I guess.
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 01, 2018, 09:40:38 am
I'm really sorry x.x
If you are dissatisfied, I will request PW to roll it up for you instead. I'm sure he'll oblige. I just like rolling them up, I guess.
It's fine, shit happens, don't worry about it.
EDIT: I just saw a couple of you have been keeping the wiki, and especially that lootpilepage, up to date. Good work!
Post by: Ozarck on September 02, 2018, 11:16:17 pm
First, don't take anything until after this current turn resolves, to avoid confusion.
Second, post in here that you are claiming your share, and post what your share is
Quote from: example
Mortimer Q Example is claiming his share: Three old army boots, slightly used, four fathoms, seven lengths of industrial grade rope.
Third, place your claimed items in a separate spot in your inventory labeled "Mission loot" until it has been verified by the team that you got that.
Quote from: example
Mortimer Q Example
Mission Loot:
Three old army boots, slightly used, four fathoms, seven lengths of industrial grade rope.
I request that everyone does this for bookkeeping purposes.
Post by: Ozarck on September 03, 2018, 02:45:41 pm
"How about we solve this pulsating, oozing crisis first before we get into anything else."
With that kind of logic, we'll never get anything done.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 03, 2018, 05:12:39 pm
Post by: syvarris on September 04, 2018, 12:59:18 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 04, 2018, 02:06:39 am
Quote from: Thought of the day
Beware the moth, the heretek, and the abomination.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 04, 2018, 02:08:27 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 04, 2018, 06:52:01 am
Why they are wary of abominations is a different matter altogether.
Post by: Gentlefish on September 04, 2018, 11:22:26 am
Then again, all I took was a rifle so. At least the medic is armed.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 04, 2018, 02:22:14 pm
Asking here how we feel about spending the common fund on some mops and such. If not I'll buy it myself, provided I ever get paid.
Post by: Gentlefish on September 04, 2018, 03:00:19 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 04, 2018, 05:43:45 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 04, 2018, 05:58:39 pm
Wiki edit got revolver *twirls*We should also check what repairs the warehouse needs. Perhaps also ask if it needs anything to improve its security. Already asked Wiellste if he'd be willing to check that out IC.
Asking here how we feel about spending the common fund on some mops and such. If not I'll buy it myself, provided I ever get paid.
Pay will happen within two turns I think, if not the very next.Whenever you want. I just tried to get it done this turn so that if something happened to Kara due to Moku there wouldn't be any danger of the money getting lost.
Post by: Pancaek on September 04, 2018, 06:00:25 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 05, 2018, 07:50:46 am
Especially since most of my action depends on Kara and Vikkan agreeing to get hte two big Fathoms split into little Fathoms
got a little shopping to do.
Post by: Ozarck on September 05, 2018, 09:39:04 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 05, 2018, 12:22:25 pm
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Hey, fellow bore citizens, just got a list of stuff we can get.
Chem workshop is 300, weapons workshop is 400
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"General outfitting: We're doing things on a room by room basis, with each room holding a certain "set up". So like a rec room could be bought as a "kit" that would turn one room into a rec room. Alternatively, you could probably go buy the specific things you want for it but that would probably cost more overall. A basic crew quarters would cost in like the 150 range and would outfit a room with about 2 dozen fold down wall mounted beds and all the sheets and blankets and such as well as some universal uniforms. A rec room would be in the 300 range and give you various things like a radio, a TV (which would only really work in town if you dock and connect into the local signals) board games, tables, cards, ping pong table, some instruments, etc."
"In terms of other things, I have list here of things they would probably show you, in addition to upgrades for stats of the bore, of course.
Galley
Diving bell
Built in external elevator platform
Cannons and other guns
Armor
machine shop
chem lab
Bio Lab
personal Shrine
loading dock
trade depot
Botany/garden/fungus
Animal pens
Library
cobbler/tailor/seamstress/clothing repair, etc
rec room
distress beacon
ore refinery/processing/automated mining
containment vault
Zoo
Diving Vault
Hospital/medical ward
Quarantine
And so forth"
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Also fairly important:
"Basic life support is already included but only the basic stuff. You could certainly upgrade it to deal with things like temperature, potentially poisonous gases, and leaks of various kinds more effectively. "
Post by: Gentlefish on September 05, 2018, 12:37:21 pm
I have a feeling there will be plenty of gruesome injuries for me to, ah, fix up.
Post by: Pancaek on September 05, 2018, 12:47:34 pm
Gonna try and talk to a different vendor for a better discount this turn.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 05, 2018, 01:16:46 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 05, 2018, 03:27:45 pm
I think that we should definitely at least get the crew quarters, basic workshop and medbay. After that, an elevator or something else to safely lower us down from the bore to the mission area (and to take large pillage back up) also sounds like a generally useful thing to have that everyone can use. Depending on how much budget we have left after that, there's some other things that sound nice to have.
Additionally, buying personal radios for everyone (assuming those aren't expensive) also is something I think we should definitely do, it's a major quality of life improvement and makes it much easier to coordinate or discuss things IC'ly without having to worry about little things like "but I'm on the other side of town" or "but I'm inside the stomach of the ElderWyrm".
Note that hotfire proposed to spend those 400 fathoms he got on workshops. If you're still willing to invest those, hotfire, that on its own can get us a brand spanking new weapons workshop!
Post by: Gentlefish on September 05, 2018, 03:57:10 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 05, 2018, 05:25:10 pm
Crew quarters (Pretty obvious. Technically it's mostly an RP thing but... having proper beds is nice.)
Workshop (Lets us do lots of neat stuff. Neat stuff that a few of us happen to be very specced into. <.<)
Medbay (Medizen helps us not die horribly. Not dying horribly is pretty neat.)
Armory (Yup, still want a nice safe place to store all of our precious gun babies.)
Loading dock (This greatly increases the kind of jobs we can take. Ferrying cargo around is a classic, but it might prove difficult to fit certain things through our current doors.)
Galley (You know what's nice? Having proper food is nice.)
Rec room (It may sound frivolous, but it gives us something to hang around in and break that's NOT a vital bore system.)
Library (I'm a moth.)
Diving bell/Elevator (If the Loading dock increases the kinds of jobs we can take, this increases the ways we can approach jobs that we could take anyway. Useful for safety, but not really vital to anything.)
Diving Sanctuary ("Diving vault" sounds a little scary. A place where divers can go to be assured of getting Focus is quite good. Plus good sofas to crash on while we explore other realms. :V)
Post by: Gentlefish on September 05, 2018, 05:42:01 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 05, 2018, 05:49:34 pm
Post by: Devastator on September 05, 2018, 06:00:39 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 05, 2018, 06:08:25 pm
You goblin. Why not make a character for this, if you're apparently reading it?
Post by: Gentlefish on September 05, 2018, 06:54:02 pm
Post by: syvarris on September 05, 2018, 07:18:19 pm
Why not make a character for this, if you're apparently reading it?
Because then his boring human character, would try to blow up the bore's brain, be stopped by Clate on a lucky die roll, then locked up in a remote room of the bore. He'd live there for years, food being dropped in for him, but never be killed because Nyw would say it's inhumane (and also because everyone's lazy, never getting around to it), with Dev constantly complaining about how his boring character can't escape to complain about the wider, boring world.
It would only end on Christmas 2020, when Piecewise would make the character's head explode as a gift to Dev. Dev would be overjoyed about this, and continue to whine incessantly about how terrible the game is and how he'd love it if only he could betray and kill all our characters.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 05, 2018, 07:20:47 pm
Post by: Devastator on September 05, 2018, 10:03:52 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 06, 2018, 12:28:34 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 06, 2018, 07:16:30 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 06, 2018, 08:42:58 am
Post by: Leodanny on September 06, 2018, 10:14:55 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 06, 2018, 01:25:03 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 06, 2018, 01:33:05 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 06, 2018, 01:38:55 pm
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Ethral mouths: Ok imagine it like this. Take a human mandible and maxilla. Split them both in the center and allow all four pieces to move independently. They generally keep the top and bottom pieces together to act like human type jaws since it makes speaking human (and similar bodied) languages easier, but they can move each part independently if they need. Don't tell Irony though. It will only fuel her fetishes.
This has been a discord information public service announcement. Do with this information what thou will~
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 06, 2018, 04:05:05 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 06, 2018, 04:40:09 pm
Post by: syvarris on September 07, 2018, 02:13:25 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 07, 2018, 02:17:34 am
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2:23 PM] Mr.Bones: Ethral have lidless compound eyes that are fairly hard and don't feel pain unless the outer lenses are damaged
Doesn't really explain where they're placed, but makes me assume they're more on the alien side.
Post by: Gentlefish on September 07, 2018, 03:33:07 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 07, 2018, 07:07:14 am
Enthusiastic: AsHul, Alex Wells
Interested but wary: Kara, Wiellste, Clate.
Also interested: Random's new mole guy.
I think I can tug Cara along as well - It seem IC for her to be willing to help out the church and gain some knowledge at the same time - a step toward her end goal.
So that's an equivocal 7 of 8 so far.
Edit: added Clate to the list Edit2: Added Random
Post by: Pancaek on September 07, 2018, 10:49:35 am
130 fathoms, Knife, Rifle, Bomb Collar ,100 feet rope, 2 TNT, 1 Corpse
Edit: edited the warehouse and clate's character page on the wiki to reflect this.
Post by: Caellath on September 07, 2018, 04:14:54 pm
Loot Claim #1
So Vikkan is taking his share as follows: 140 fathoms, 1 knife, 1 rifle, 1 short sword, 100ft silk rope.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 08, 2018, 08:31:59 am
Quote from: parisbre56 https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/487947686641664021
@Mr.Bones could silent night help a sharpshooter shoot at advantage in a stressful situation? Or is it just for diving
Quote from: Mr.Bones https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/487976403137200139
Silent Night is for diving. But worm blood might help a shooter as a side effect.
Quote from: ER https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/487857951160401940
how old is kara again
Quote from: parisbre56 https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/487862354525290506
I dunno, how old do Corven get?
I just said "adult, but just barely"
Because that's how I imagine her
Maybe that's 10 years, maybe that's 30, who knows
Quote from: Mr.Bones https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/487977216882245643
Corven have varying ages since they're technically dozens of breeds under a common name (like how dogs are radically different but all the same species). Most grow to technical adulthood in about a decade, give or take 3 years, and live 50 or so years past that. Certain groups, like the parrot looking ones, can live 100 years past that but they're outliers.
Also some beautiful birbs: https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/26318
Post by: Hotfire90 on September 08, 2018, 11:16:11 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 08, 2018, 11:26:42 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 09, 2018, 06:44:10 am
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jG2wy89pg--Y5oUJb1DjUCUszoigppfSvmVf61FXZuU/edit?usp=drivesdk
I'm assuming on the cost of weapon storage based on the cost of a single weapon rack. Gonna ask piecewise to confirm.
I think we don't need a rec room, but we can afford it if others want it.
If we have prices for other items, please tell me and I'll add them.
Any comments?
Post by: Ozarck on September 09, 2018, 07:14:39 am
Personally I don't see a real need for either a rec room or weapon storage, but the weapon storage is a minimal cost, so no worries there.
And we can always add upgrades after the next round of missions, so there's no real rush
I assume people would be irritated if we waited on the chem lab and weapon workshop.
No Diver Sanctuary, I see. eh -shrug-
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 09, 2018, 08:03:29 am
Edit: if you want it, I guess we can look into it, though I don't want to encourage diving in the bore. Do you have a price for it? Would you be fine with installing it in the warehouse?
EDIT2: about the ham radio, I wasn't sure if you were going to keep it with you or put it in the bore, guess I'll remove it from the sum
Edit3: though I guess diving in the bore with bonuses and not doing so in secret is better than doing so in secret in some corner of the bore. Maybe we should just make it but keep it locked, opening it only when another character agrees to watch the diver.
Post by: Ozarck on September 09, 2018, 08:18:07 am
Diving is about more than "make big magic, get possessed."
It's a little shortsighted and narrowminded to say Diving should be rejected unless the Diver is far, far away, at this point.
That said, I didn't advocate for a Sanctuary, I merely commented on it.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 09, 2018, 08:20:29 am
Post by: The Lupanian on September 09, 2018, 02:50:02 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on September 11, 2018, 05:09:51 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 11, 2018, 05:38:01 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you disagree with anything or want something more/different please say so.
I'll probably go ahead with the purchases either this turn or next turn.
Post by: Ozarck on September 11, 2018, 06:33:48 pm
Also, thanks for workinghard on getting the Bore upgraded to everyone's satisfaction.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 12, 2018, 08:27:25 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 13, 2018, 03:08:35 am
Please add yourself to the list of volunteers. Or write it here and somebody will add it for you.
I added all the info we have on the available expeditions.
Post by: The Lupanian on September 13, 2018, 04:51:00 am
Also, I propose that, once the relic quest and transport missions are done, we get together and do the travelers guild mission as a whole team.
Post by: Ozarck on September 13, 2018, 06:37:18 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on September 13, 2018, 07:03:05 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 13, 2018, 07:15:26 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2018, 02:31:04 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 14, 2018, 01:16:08 am
I'll be following Kara.Unfortunately, Kara doesn't know where she wants to go yet. Both look like good possibilities.
| Goldshore | Relic |
| Loads of money | Unknown payment |
| Probably little to no shinies | Possibility of otherwordly shinies |
| Probably safer, unless someone is hiding something | Probably more dangerous |
| Is useless armless birb. Only usefulness in thinking on her feet, organizing and coming up with plans. And probably also talking to people | Ditto, minus the talk to people bit |
| Can make a detour to visit Empyrean and show her papers to Deep Walker Leon like the Cthonic leader told her | The rest of the team (especially AsHul) would probably like to be present for such a meeting |
| Can make use of bore facilities | Can work on the warehouse and buy stuff if done sooner than the others |
| Traveling with a bore was always her dream | Finding new and interesting things and stories is her goal |
| Kara is afraid of it because it will bring her and the group close to her home and family (though piecewise is unlikely to do something with her backstory, it still makes sense IC) | Kara is afraid of it because it is related to diving and might mess with her sacrificed arm |
| Seeing new places and the stress of being back to Goldshore in the state she is might lead to interesting diary entries | Otherwordly place and stress of being close to magic and danger might lead to interesting diary entries |
| Has Vikkan | Has Drett |
Probably gonna go with whichever team needs padding.
Post by: Tiruin on September 14, 2018, 05:51:53 am
Only need armor if nothing else can be spared for this mission, because then, I'd be asking for a polearm. :P
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 14, 2018, 06:11:04 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 15, 2018, 08:15:24 am
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We have a group fund. I have no idea if your catatonic ass got given money. For the moment lets assume The group fund pays for your shit. I guess.
Aigre got 30 fathoms from the starting mission, so 20 for a mail shirt and 3 for 5 shotgun slugs is perfectly doable. He'd even have enough left to repay the loan Adam gave him.
Post by: syvarris on September 15, 2018, 07:09:39 pm
Spoiler: @Paris, about onehanding a rifle (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ozarck on September 16, 2018, 03:37:05 am
The TL;DR version
We've gotten 2400 Fathoms into the group fund
We've spent 2147 Fathoms from the group fund
We have 253 Fathoms left in the group fund, minus unaccounted for expenditures
Auft, Garos,
Edit: Kara and Aigresaur confirmed for taking their 30 each via Discord
2000 fathoms came to the crew at teh end of the tutorial mission. Paris has the money split thus:
Spoiler: paris' payment plan (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: some notes on where we got the money and where it apparently went (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: income and payouts (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: unaccounted for expenditures (click to show/hide)
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 16, 2018, 02:09:34 pm
https://parisbre56.github.io/map.html
Post by: IronyOwl on September 16, 2018, 07:22:32 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 17, 2018, 12:15:58 am
Post by: IronyOwl on September 17, 2018, 01:22:49 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 17, 2018, 06:55:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2018, 02:53:25 pm
That was a touching farewell, Paris. You've really put a lot into this game, whether with your Diving Calculator, interactive map, RP, coordination, or otherwise.:'(
I read the wrong tone and thought parisbre was leaving or something and felt the sudden pit of :( until I read back up and got all that feels warded off by confusion. HMPF!
Err, say...where can I read more about this escort quest in the IC?
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 17, 2018, 03:20:55 pm
That was a touching farewell, Paris. You've really put a lot into this game, whether with your Diving Calculator, interactive map, RP, coordination, or otherwise.:'(
I read the wrong tone and thought parisbre was leaving or something and felt the sudden pit of :( until I read back up and got all that feels warded off by confusion. HMPF!
Err, say...where can I read more about this escort quest in the IC?
Here you can find some more info about the escort and transportation missions: https://dig.wikia.com/wiki/Current_expedition/event#Pilgrim_Transportation_from_Anvil_to_God.27s_Breath_Caverns
Also, Adam is still willing to loan you the fathoms you need for that polearm, but you'll want to buy it this turn, if it isn't too late already.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2018, 03:26:52 pm
Also, Adam is still willing to loan you the fathoms you need for that polearm, but you'll want to buy it this turn, if it isn't too late already.I'd love to do so, if that polearm can be modified and tinkered on by others :))
And I'm all open for that--though I think the best way is to...mention it in the OOC for piecewise to accept or reject. I'm all ok with that though!
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 17, 2018, 04:00:10 pm
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22:57] Radio Controlled: By the way, can Tir still buy that polearm this turn in DIG or is it too late for that?
[22:57] Mr.Bones: sure
So yes, you can still buy that polearm this turn, just don't forget to put it in your action. I'll edit my action to loan the 40 fathoms once the purchase is confirmed from your side.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 18, 2018, 09:20:01 am
Quote from: https://discordapp.com/channels/418076185113919490/418076185621299211/491589229625868309
Lup> Out of curiosity, how much would it cost to buy a bore?
piecewise> Depends on the bore. Like a car, they can vary dramatically. But the smallest, used, most stripped down bores might cost in the 2000 range. They're useful things but also quite pricey
Lup> I would assume that the majority of vehicles are not actually bores, but more similar to trains and stuff, since not everyone really needs to be able to dig. would that be correct?
piecewise> Crawlers are common for those just traversing the paths, but things like trains are sometimes used too; though they tend to be more intercity transport.
by which I mean within the city
Lup> Hey, ‘nother question, how much would a crawler like we had in Dig 1 cost?
piecewise> scratches head did that thing seat everyone?
Lup> I don’t think so
I seem to remember it being around the size of a small tank
piecewise> Hmm like a 8 person crawler would be something like 500, more if you wanna throw on things like weapons or other systems
Lup> Hey, that’s not that expensive. Would it require a special “garage” room? Also, what would fuel be like?
piecewise> It wouldn't REQUIRE a garage, but a loading bay or something like that would be good. It uses bore fuel. Holds less but goes further on it. Tank of about 30 with a range of 3 per fuel. No capacity to drill, of course
Lup> How much could we get a big turret mounted machine gun for?
piecewise> 100, maybe a bit more.
Lup> Oh, and how much would a garage cost?
piecewise> Same as the loading bay. Which...I think I gave a price for?
...
Lup> So there’s metros, but not railroads
piecewise> Yeah. You might find railways between select cities but its not the norm
...
Lup> Did you see my question about if abominations are absolutely required to be based on a playable trace?
oz> I saw it.
you also asked if Honored Dead count as an Abominable race
Paris> If there was an honored dead that was brought to life and changed by encountering a sphere, then it wouldn't really be an honored dead anymore, it would just be something with the memories of one I'd think.
piecewise> Lup, yes, but aboms can look like almost anything as long as its distressing
Yotta> Does that mean I could be a furry abomination?
piecewise> Are there furries that aren't abominations?
Yotta> I'm not hearing a no. I'll just assume you mean yes.
Paris> That would explain why abominations get so much hate. That and all the possessions and magical explosions.
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 18, 2018, 11:27:37 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 18, 2018, 11:34:00 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 18, 2018, 11:40:40 am
Post by: Ozarck on September 19, 2018, 06:33:37 am
take 153 fathoms for the Bore, and I'll hang onto the remaining 100, on AsHul's person rather than in the warehouse for now.
Knock the 4 off that total. I'll edit the wiki if it isn't already
edit: I see the Wiki says we have 368 in the team fund. take 200 for the bore and I'll take the 168.
Where'd the other
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 19, 2018, 06:48:36 am
EDIT: I'll put the 4 fathoms back into my charsheet and subtract the 4 from the team fund. Wiki already edited.
Post by: Gentlefish on September 19, 2018, 10:48:08 am
Post by: Ozarck on November 20, 2018, 08:34:22 am
Ready arms, step through boundary to next zone. Don't leave Nyw and AsHul alone too long,
or one of them is sure to go insane and destroy us all.
Post by: Gentlefish on November 20, 2018, 12:48:41 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on November 20, 2018, 04:42:34 pm
Post by: Ozarck on November 20, 2018, 07:44:13 pm
Back to Tumble Mountain, a big temple, and a giant buzzard.
Post by: Ozarck on December 23, 2018, 09:07:01 pm
The body is one of several lined up in the room, and all of them hold 'objects of significance.'
There's no indication of a mask.
The body remains immobile.
It seems unlikely that we've encountered the guardian for this section yet.
Maybe it's in the next room, or maybe we didn't trigger the event properly in this room.
Post by: Ozarck on February 13, 2019, 08:55:09 pm
Hmmm, think about my mother and see if that triggers anything.
What could possibly go wrong?
Post by: Parisbre56 on February 14, 2019, 12:28:15 am
Post by: Ozarck on February 19, 2019, 05:32:45 pm
Grab one of the books, while holding the hatchet in the other hand. Step forward until Nyw's in the front of the group, then toss the book past the creature, ready for it to attack. If it still doesn't move, and there's enough room to easily go past it without touching it, try doing so, while expecting it to attack. If there is no room, poke it with a non-pointy part of the hatchet, and then push it aside with a book if it doesn't react.Sy, I see a couple potential issues with your action as stated. This is based on my reading of the turn, so I could be wrong, obviously. But I figured I'd rather alert you to a potential unnecessary risk than just assume that we're all on the same page.
If at any time it attacks, respond in kind. If it never attacks, and there's room to pass, gather the books up again and proceed past.[/b]
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Step forward until Nyw's in the front of the groupcurrently Alex is within a foot of the creature, right at the border between the current ballroom or whatever we are in, and the 'facade' hallway in which the creature sits. He is as close as he can get without entering the facade room. stepping forward here probably will mean breaking that plane, which the GM, through the voice of Alex, suggests will trigger a reaction. Besides this, Nyw will be stepping right up to well within touching range before any of his preparation acts trigger.
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then toss the book past the creature, ready for it to attackNyw will be practically standing over the creature at this point, if I read the turn description correctly. Tossing hte book will probably be redundant, as Nyw's arm will essentially go right over the creature's head during the throwing motion. I assume you are intending for Nyw to toss the book from a longer distance than that, however, as a preliminary action before approaching to touching range.
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If it still doesn't move, and there's enough room to easily go past it without touching it, try doing somoving past the creature puts you on the path of the 'facade' rooms. we've been following the 'lived-in' rooms so far. it is AsHul's suggestion that we keep going through the rooms that seem lived in rather than going through the rooms that seem fake. The next lived in room is a different direction, and AsHul has already walked in that direction without triggering a reaction from the creature. we can leave through the lived in room without approaching the creature at all, if your intention is to simply move on along the path we've already been taking.
Post by: syvarris on February 27, 2019, 11:33:22 pm
Post by: Ozarck on February 28, 2019, 04:13:19 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on April 22, 2019, 03:29:31 pm
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[22:14] Mr. Bones: Watch out for cists
[22:14] Mr. Bones: yes, cists.
[22:14] Mr. Bones: not cysts
[22:15] Radio Controlled: "A cist (from Greek: κίστη or Germanic Kiste) is a small stone-built coffin-like box or ossuary used to hold the bodies of the dead."
22:16] Mr. Bones: hmm
[22:16] Mr. Bones: whats your knowledge?
22:17] Radio Controlled: It's just 10, and +1 in occult.
[22:18] Mr. Bones: |
[22:18] BOTBest Waifu for Lifeu: Roll: 15 (15)
Fate: 6 (6)
[22:18] Mr. Bones: Well, you don't know what a cist is, but if you asked someone about it they would probably know. You vaguely remember its something dangerous connected to the Antediluvian ruins.
[22:19] Radio Controlled: Ah, interesting, thanks.
[22:19] Radio Controlled: The legacy of the know-nothing scholar continues!
Oh, and from the wiki:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We also shortly discussed what our next step should be. Now personally, I'd prefer for bore team to just finish up this mission cycle at least. This also gives us the opportunity to stock up again or make modifications to the bore. After that, we could do what we were planning originally (explore a crystal ruin), however going for the Antediluvian ruins also sounds very interesting.
If we do go for the new ruins, we could come back to the warehouse and pick you guys up, then head back for the ruins, or we could get into contact with you once comms are repaired and have you pay for transport to where we are.
Post by: The Lupanian on April 22, 2019, 04:18:57 pm
Post by: syvarris on April 23, 2019, 02:41:08 am
I also would like the bore to come back and regroup with the rest of us. I'm sure there's things to do in... whatever city we're in, but the game will be more interesting if we're all exploring a place together.
Post by: Ozarck on April 23, 2019, 07:48:55 am
FOrmer Vision Team - we have enough money to buy a crawler, or even a budget bore, and there are other missions available. I don't mind waiting for the bore to return and getting everyone on the same adventure, but I think we need to explore some options for getting some of our less diplomatic or mystical fellas involved. A crawler to transport our more mercenary members to and from the bore on our travels might be a wise investment, giving us greater flexibility and opening up all kinds of opportunities to split the party - I mean to profit.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 05, 2019, 11:22:51 am
((Did we at some point get a bunch of personal radios? I don't recall that, and there's no radio on Nyw's sheet, but I easily could've just missed it. He'll be back soonish anyway.))
Iirc, we bought radios for everyone after the starter mission, to make communications easy.
Post by: Ozarck on June 06, 2019, 07:58:09 am
Also, please state your preference for types of mission/action. For instance, if you want to get into physical combat like RGU probably does, make a note. If you would prefer some time in teh bore or warehouse to tinker, make a note. If you want something mystical and Diving related, God Below Help You. If you want some political intrigue, note that as well.
Jobs:
- retrieve a relic from a ruins: Travellers guild is offering this one. It's one of the few they'll offer non-members. Not sure if hte offer is still valid: it was offered before our last quest
- bodyguard some VIP girl: some local group in our home town of Anvil offers this one. if she is harmed in any way, we get no pay
- Explore the Messenger path and Visit the Church in the Human Capital of the area: not a paid job. This is more an adventure Adam and AsHul are interested in
- Visit some Crystal Being ruins and discover the secrets of that race: again, not a job, but something Clate wants to do
- Bounties: there is apparently a boutny board for wanted criminals in town. Nyw is currently hunting one of the Iron Teeth from that bounty board. Pay seems good.
- Animal control: from the job board. SOme animal or other creature has taken up residence in a local warehouse. probably a side job at most.
- ?? a poster requests "able bodied participants." probably shady or scut work.
AsHul is fine with some down time ,so a Bore trip would probably work for him, since he can either practice his guitar skills or Dive the Spheres (the kind that only requires nerve and has less risk of catastrophic failure, but still has some risk of attracting and irritating Sphere Dwellers).
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 06, 2019, 09:15:44 am
Post by: Pancaek on June 06, 2019, 10:34:26 am
But since this is all very well for Clate, the single crystal duderino in our team, I get that it might not be attractive to others. My second choice would also be the Messenger path.
Post by: The Lupanian on June 06, 2019, 12:22:18 pm
Also, we need to sort out pay for the delivery team. I’d suggest we divide pay equally, and give one share to the Bore pot, to be spent on upgrades and such. That being said, the bore did already get upgraded, so that share could be forgone. But really, I want to start spending my pay, so we need to figure out how we’ll divide that.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 06, 2019, 02:47:37 pm
Personally I'd prefer going to a crystal ruin, which comes as a suprise to exactly no one. Reason being that it holds a lot of potential for me, and for the group. The crystal people probably had loads of tech that is lost now, as evidenced by their golems, including those one that shoots lasers. They're also rumoured to have had some kind of super weapon. Succesfully accessing the crystal overmind that is now dormant might very well lead us to find and own that stuff.
But since this is all very well for Clate, the single crystal duderino in our team, I get that it might not be attractive to others. My second choice would also be the Messenger path.
Crystal boy wants crystal adventures? Stop the fucking presses!
But yeah, I'd be up for that as well, exploring crystal ruins has my 2nd preference.
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Also, we need to sort out pay for the delivery team. I’d suggest we divide pay equally, and give one share to the Bore pot, to be spent on upgrades and such. That being said, the bore did already get upgraded, so that share could be forgone. But really, I want to start spending my pay, so we need to figure out how we’ll divide that.
Yeah, thanks to paris we already got a bore upgrade as part of our reward,
For the payment: the total payout for the delivery mission is:
207 fathoms (payment from pilgrim escort)
438 fathoms ('payment' from cargo transport)
316 fathoms (payment for digging tunnel and laying cable)
= 961 fathoms
(fuel already subtracted, though note that my calcs for the trip back to Anvil were rough ones, feel free to redo. using paris' map, I got:
-walked about 110 squares
-dug about 16 squares (uses 2 fuel)
-4 fathoms for the toll at abbysal
-bore was at 62 fuel, so 38 more)
The transport mission people that are still conscious are:
Kara
Wiellste
Harmony Li
Kalagony
Adam
I would propose a round 180 fathoms/person, and the remaining 61 for the team fund? That ok with you guys?
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 06, 2019, 06:19:04 pm
Post by: The Lupanian on June 06, 2019, 07:28:46 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 06, 2019, 08:38:53 pm
votes for missions
Messenger Path: 3 first choice, 1 second choice
Crystal Race: 1 first choice, 1 second choice, 1 third choice
Relic Hunt: 1 second choice
Do remember, we can divide the team again, assuming enough of us are awake to do so.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 08, 2019, 04:10:16 am
Feel free to put my part on the team's fund, since I don't really need the money for anything. Not like I deserve payment: I didn't do anything at all during the whole mission, other than trying to chat and being ignored by everyone.
For my part, I haven't had a lot of time for forum games lately so things like rp suffer, sorry if I ignored you at some point. Are you sure about not wanting your payment though? If nothing else, you could get yourself some armor and a better melee weapon (eg. a Tungsten Toothpick) to tide you over until you can learn pious punching (perhaps Adam could help you get an in at some point down the line). For reference: https://dig.fandom.com/wiki/Armory
You could then still donate what remains to the fund, if you want.
@egan: since you apparently want to play a new character, what should we do with Wiellste's part of the payment? Would you prefer she gets it and say she retires with it or something, or should it go to the team fund? Also, assuming you'll be rolling with our crew again, do you still want to get our bore weapon(s) in order?
Radio, are we now pooling the team fund? currently I have iur team's mission fund in AsHul's possession for safekeeping, but if we're officially putting it into the larger pool I can take that off my character sheet. Also, I reccommend holding off on making that payout official for a minute: the team fund might appreciate a touch more monies for a) a weapon, and b) a crawler. Let's see how people feel about that, and if anyone is willingto chip in for them. AsHul is already donating a Firing Control Brain (+1 to Systems rolls) for the weapon, should that get purchased. He would be willing to chip in a bit for hte crawler as well, especially if we choose to go as a singel group this time- the crawler gives us a bit more play freedom, I think.
Yeah, seems like the most convenient way to do it, just shove team fund money onto the appropriate wiki page (https://dig.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warehouse). Then once we know what rgu and egan want to do with their pay we'll know what our budget is.
I agree that getting a weapon would be good. I'd say we can let egan look into that if he wants to (he already did some designing for a bore weapon a while back), or another player that likes big boomtubes. I'd be willing to get on that if nobody else is interested.
As for a crawler, would certainly be nice, but I think there are some other things that are a bit more urgent. Such as a spare fuel tank or a better brain for our bore (now that our pilot is braindead, we'll need a good borebrain if we want to hit anything with bore weapons. If you donate that fire control brain that'd already help a good deal, but are you sure that brain is safe? It's from another sphere, right?)
It'd be easier to make decisions though if we knew what kind of money crawlers cost, so could you look into that perhaps? Get an idea of what a basic model costs and what it can do, for example (though we probably want one that can scale vertical walls at least).
Post by: The Lupanian on June 08, 2019, 08:13:36 am
Post by: Egan_BW on June 08, 2019, 08:45:06 am
Post by: Gentlefish on June 08, 2019, 11:21:25 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 09, 2019, 12:47:24 pm
There’s some info about crawlers on page 16 of this thread. 8 person crawler with no bells or whistles is 500. I don’t know what kind of versatility that includes. There was also some other discussion about kinds of weapons that I think also got quoted off discord at some point.
Oho, indeed there is!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
500 fathoms is probably beyond our current budget if we also want to get at least one decent bore weapon though, but should be doable after this mission cycle methinks.
If my share is at least 100 fathoms, I'd spend it to "hire" Wiellste as an NPC helper, to Be Kara's Left Arm. Otherwise, I don't really give one single fuck.I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure I understand what you want here. You want to use Wiellste's share of the pay, to hire herself to be Kara's NPC helper? And is pw on board with the idea of retired characters still tagging along with the group? If pw is ok with it I don't mind just tossing out those 100 fathoms to justify having her along and adding the remaining 80 to the team fund, though keeping old characters around like that is a bit iffy from a game standpoint imo.
As for the weapons, since you're not interested, is anyone else up for that? Paris, I think I remember Kara being a proponent for getting a weapon for our bore, is that correct? If so, would you want to look into that? Don't feel obligated to say yes, if it doesn't interest you I certainly don't mind doing it.
Drett's going to follow thebirbbore wherever it goes next. Especially if it's the messenger path. Plenty of chances to practice medicine, even maybe from a distance!
That's another vote for the messenger path. I think it's safe to say that'll be our next destination then? In which case, do you guys think we could start heading out for our destination in a couple turns or so? I think only syv is really doing a sidequest right now, correct?
Post by: Devastator on June 09, 2019, 01:22:14 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 09, 2019, 02:31:32 pm
"Retiring your character? No, no-one leaves The Firm. <Seizes pay>
How so?
@egan: since you apparently want to play a new character, what should we do with Wiellste's part of the payment? Would you prefer she gets it and say she retires with it or something, or should it go to the team fund? Also, assuming you'll be rolling with our crew again, do you still want to get our bore weapon(s) in order?
I'm perfectly fine with Wiellste keeping her pay as she retires, and it was in fact the very first thing I proposed. The decision is entirely up to egan. However, keeping one's old character around after retiring it is rather nonstandard and is, imo, somewhat iffy from a game standpoint. But, if pw is on board with it then it's all good for me. In which case there are still 80 fathoms left, and egan said he does not care what happens to any of it.
Post by: The Lupanian on June 09, 2019, 02:46:49 pm
We could also have everyone give 10% of what they make selling loot to the team fund. That way you’re partially mitigating the problem of the people who actually get shit done not getting as much out of it. A problem that I will admit I did contribute to.
Post by: Devastator on June 09, 2019, 03:54:20 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 09, 2019, 04:26:24 pm
Quote from: https://parisbre56.com:9992/cgi-bin/cgitest.pl?date=1560038400
22:02 Radio_Controlled @Piecewise_ what do you think about egan's plan to hire out his old character to the team?
22:04 Piecewise_ He said he wanted to have the old character along for RP purposes. And that character barely did anything anyways so It doesn't seem OP. I'll of course object if he starts abusing it but as long as it basically just exists as a background character for RP purposes, I'm ok with it
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22:05 Piecewise_ If he tries to go back to the first character, then I'll say no
So yeah, Wiellste can keep rolling with our crew, so we can use 100 fathoms to 'hire' her and chuck the remainder in the fund. If you change your mind egan, let me know, just try to do so before any of the dosh gets spent.
I think for now we should go with the proposed payout, just to move forward. However, we ought to go ahead and establish an ironclad protocol going forward. I propose either A. 10% gross profit goes to team fund, and net profit is divided evenly, or B. We divide by number of team members +2, and the extra two slots go to team fund.Hmm, interesting options there. Anyone got a preference one way or another?
We could also have everyone give 10% of what they make selling loot to the team fund. That way you’re partially mitigating the problem of the people who actually get shit done not getting as much out of it. A problem that I will admit I did contribute to.
Maybe the solution to insufficient pay should be splitting up the team fund automatically. After each mission, team funds will be split up among everyone present. That'll increase the amount of pay. Items for bore upgrades will be bought on credit with collateral based on the warehouse. Putting money in the team fund means people get paid less rather than more.
Haha, that'd be hilarious, play the whole game with the best gear bought on credit and escape the creditors by waiting for the game to end. Brilliant! :P
Post by: randomgenericusername on June 10, 2019, 09:45:00 am
Feel free to put my part on the team's fund, since I don't really need the money for anything. Not like I deserve payment: I didn't do anything at all during the whole mission, other than trying to chat and being ignored by everyone.
For my part, I haven't had a lot of time for forum games lately so things like rp suffer, sorry if I ignored you at some point. Are you sure about not wanting your payment though? If nothing else, you could get yourself some armor and a better melee weapon (eg. a Tungsten Toothpick) to tide you over until you can learn pious punching (perhaps Adam could help you get an in at some point down the line). For reference: https://dig.fandom.com/wiki/Armory
You could then still donate what remains to the fund, if you want.
Kalagony doesn't have any skill using weapons, only unarmed combat. Maybe I could get some armor, if it's not too cumbersome, but I probably still wouldn't need all of that money for it. I guess I could go search for a shop that sells armor and donate the rest to the team.
Post by: Gentlefish on June 10, 2019, 11:27:24 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 10, 2019, 03:55:45 pm
Kalagony doesn't have any skill using weapons, only unarmed combat. Maybe I could get some armor, if it's not too cumbersome, but I probably still wouldn't need all of that money for it. I guess I could go search for a shop that sells armor and donate the rest to the team.
Yeah, for that kind of money you could probably get some pretty nice armor. And sure, you might not have specific weapon skills, but your str stat is still 15 so you'd still be pretty good at using it, and if you want you could get a +1 for that weapon by investing a skill point in it. That'd mean you'd roll against 16 when using the toothpick and 18 when using the claws, so the latter would be more likely to hit but the former would do way more damage.
Another idea could be to get some smokebombs. While probably not useful for the messenger path, when fighting regular enemies it would help protect against getting shot down and could help you close the gap to get into melee range.
Also, wiki updated with egan's stuff. Not sure if I should put Wiellste onto the bore page though or if she should go straight into Kara's inventory :p
Post by: Devastator on June 10, 2019, 08:03:02 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 11, 2019, 12:38:33 am
Quote from: discord
April 11
Oz: how much would a crawler cost in DIG? a cheapass Bore?
Piecewise: Depends on how good they are.
A very basic bore could be bought for 1000ish
crawlers are cheaper
few hundred
500 or so maybe
you're in a good place for it remember
they make them there
anywhere else and the price goes up
Post by: Ozarck on June 14, 2019, 11:04:24 pm
1) current in town activities
-a. personal advancements. individuals are shopping and questing for perssonal profit. these things can be wrapped up quickly, and to an extent can be completed while we are en route to our next thing, using the power of Time Dissonance
-b. Team advancement. This comes priomarily in the form of Bore upgrades and possibly of purchasing a crawler (I reiterate my opinion that this would be a good investment for the team play as it would make it easier for players to DO THINGS). I believe the primary upgrade people are looking at is a Bore Cannon, with accessories. This may take a couple more turns.
2) next adventure/mission
-a) it seems clear that most of the proactive players want to return to the Messenger Path and DO THINGS. The only major alternative that seems to generate any interest is the hunt for the Crystal Race. If Pancaek wants to split from the main team to do so, I suggest at least a group f four to go along. I think that would be a good trip for people such as Random's guy, who want more direct combat. AsHul; can be persuaded to organize and run that side mission, should enough interest be shown. Otherwise, let's just plan on visiting Empyrean and THE CHURCH and then going to the Messenger Path. I don't think any other proactive players are willing to not do the Messenger path one to take up the mantle of leadership for the Crystal Race expedition.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 16, 2019, 08:41:35 am
As for our bore weapon, what do you guys think of this:
- cannon, 250
- powered retractor, 50
- simple autoloader, 30
- swivel mount, 30
- connection to bore brain, 200
- 5 standard rounds, 25
- 2 armor piercing rounds, 30
- 2 high ex frag, 30
- 2 smoke, 10
- 2 incendiary, 20
Total: 675 fathoms. Current team fund has 766 fathoms, leaving us with 91. Does this sound ok?
I think it gives us a good basic weapon, with a decent amount of flexibility due to different ammo types, and with the bore connection our lack of a pilot isn't the worst. We could upgrade it later on with a better autoloader as well, though for now that's outside of our budget.
Speaking of bore brains, Oz, did you see my earlier question about that brass brain?
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 16, 2019, 09:25:57 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 16, 2019, 10:08:55 am
The retractor is fairly cheap and I think is nice to have: it means we can hide our weapon when we want to seem harmless and allows us to surprise an opponent if it does come to blows, and in general protects it from damage during (rough) travel. There's a cheaper manual one as well (20 fathoms) but that might require a str roll to operate, having it automatic seems safer.
I wouldn't mind dropping either of them, but I think they're good to have.
Post by: Ozarck on June 16, 2019, 11:02:51 am
Also, I think a bore weapon is rather unnecessary. We didn't choose a military bore, after all, we chose a wanderer. And especially spending more for a weapon with all kinds of accessories than we would for a bare crawler. If you're gonna buy hte weapon, go simple - cannon, swivel mount, and ammo. And not six different flavors of ammo - standard and explosive.
A Bore weapon is a highly situational device, and will keep exactly one player entertained while effectively limiting the entire rest of the crew to doing on Bore things.
Post by: Egan_BW on June 16, 2019, 11:27:55 am
Post by: Hotfire90 on June 17, 2019, 08:40:46 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 17, 2019, 09:26:42 am
Okay Radio, Dev's about to pick the stage I fight on in Doubleking, so I'm going to have to change my mind and ask that you give me my mission pay rather than putting it in the team fund. Kthanks.Sure I guess, I'll take 'em off the wiki. Not sure how kosher it is to bribe people in unrelated games, but I'm not even in doubleking so not my problem!
I'm adding the 750 fathoms I got from the bounty to the team fund. I think I'll do the RP for it later and just go bounty hunting in the meantime.Wow, that more than doubles the team fund! That's really generous of you, thanks. Now we could go for a weapon and a basic crawler if we want to!
I didn't see your thing about the brass brain.
Also, I think a bore weapon is rather unnecessary. We didn't choose a military bore, after all, we chose a wanderer. And especially spending more for a weapon with all kinds of accessories than we would for a bare crawler. If you're gonna buy hte weapon, go simple - cannon, swivel mount, and ammo. And not six different flavors of ammo - standard and explosive.
A Bore weapon is a highly situational device, and will keep exactly one player entertained while effectively limiting the entire rest of the crew to doing on Bore things.
'Twas this:
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As for a crawler, would certainly be nice, but I think there are some other things that are a bit more urgent. Such as a spare fuel tank or a better brain for our bore (now that our pilot is braindead, we'll need a good borebrain if we want to hit anything with bore weapons. If you donate that fire control brain that'd already help a good deal, but are you sure that brain is safe? It's from another sphere, right?)
Aka do you know if that Firing Control Brain is safe? I'll add to my action to ask pw how much it would cost to have it installed either way for expediency.
Finally, I wouldn't mind going for a cheaper weapon for now, we can always upgrade it in the future should we want to. I personally don't agree with your assessment of its usefulness (fire support during a mission for example means it isn't confined to one person being active for example), but since nobody else seems to be overly concerned about this I'm fine with just getting it over with so we can move on.
So, party people, how does this look to you guys:
- cannon, 250
- swivel mount, 30
- 5 standard rounds, 25
- 2 armor piercing rounds, 30
- basic crawler, 500
- install fire control brain, ?
Total cost (without fire control upgrade): 835. Team fund now has 1436 fathoms in it, which would leave us with 601 for now.
Post by: The Lupanian on June 17, 2019, 11:06:14 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 18, 2019, 04:16:27 am
Post by: Ozarck on June 18, 2019, 06:32:02 am
Also, your basic plan for expenditures is acceptable to me. Adding a basic weapon to the crawler is also reasonable, though I'm not sure we need to add armor yet. Might be wise though. If you need, AsHul's money will probably be at your disposal for additional expenditures as well, like that enlarged fuel tank.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 18, 2019, 02:43:06 pm
Radio. I don't KNOW the brass brain safe, but I'm reasonably sure it is. it was checked out by some brass brain experts here on this plane, which is why we know what it is. But, between you and I and the guy with the artificial eyes, I'm sure we could be doubly sure. Adam did see the strands of light filtering into AsHul from one of the spheres (probably Balaram, as that is which sphere I had cause him to become an abomination).
Also, your basic plan for expenditures is acceptable to me. Adding a basic weapon to the crawler is also reasonable, though I'm not sure we need to add armor yet. Might be wise though. If you need, AsHul's money will probably be at your disposal for additional expenditures as well, like that enlarged fuel tank.
Hey, good enough for me. I could look at it but my turn is already pretty full, but maybe I can take a peek at some later point.
As for crawler armor and weapon, if you wanna look into it then be my guest, I don't think pw will mind if some purchases get finalized during our turn of travel (or you could ask him on discord perhaps, so the purchase can be done in this turn just before we set off).
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 20, 2019, 06:27:37 am
Post by: The Lupanian on June 20, 2019, 01:24:09 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 20, 2019, 09:43:51 pm
Post by: The Lupanian on June 20, 2019, 10:38:18 pm
Post by: Ozarck on June 21, 2019, 01:35:56 am
Unless PW says there is room there for it, I guess.
I'm not opposed to drilling toward the river.
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 21, 2019, 03:57:35 pm
If the price for the artifact containers is not worth it we should buy a Containment chamber, since that will give us an infinite number of containers and a safe(er) place to store them during travels. If we're going to be poking weird stuff and picking up weird stuff then we should definitely get some way to mitigate the risk involved.
Yeah, 150 is a bit pricy for the 1 container, though that one would hold just about anything. Cheapest containment vault comes at 200 but for that we only get thick metal though.
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 22, 2019, 04:08:42 am
Another solution would be to buy the 300 Containment room and install it in the crawler. That way we have a portable place to dump dangerous stuff. And it's easier to use it as a trap, by parking it somewhere, leaving the door open and luring a creature in it. And if we're really afraid of something we can make it walk behind the bore, like how they used to tie boats behind ships.
Really, if we can do it without sacrificing too much of its other usefulness, I'd very much like to turn our crawler into a portable Containment chamber.
Post by: Ozarck on June 22, 2019, 07:11:21 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on June 30, 2019, 06:37:26 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on July 01, 2019, 10:17:15 am
I'm pretty sure we have too much money in the fund. I think we didn't reduce it for the upgrades, so I'll be removing 855 fathoms based on RCs calculations. Let me know if I made a mistake.
Ah, yeah, I probably forgot to deduct it earlier, or maybe the edit didn't go through properly, dunno. Thanks for following it up either way.
Post by: Ozarck on July 01, 2019, 10:24:08 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on July 01, 2019, 10:37:48 am
Post by: The Lupanian on July 01, 2019, 08:12:31 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 31, 2019, 02:19:38 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on July 31, 2019, 04:35:41 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 31, 2019, 05:17:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1qAHoLGkmOsW-7_BM5c6dcuy1w2epkZIwpi5sXGlZCAs/mobilebasic (https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1qAHoLGkmOsW-7_BM5c6dcuy1w2epkZIwpi5sXGlZCAs/mobilebasic)
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 02, 2019, 07:06:42 am
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 02, 2019, 07:12:59 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 02, 2019, 09:30:16 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 11, 2019, 12:19:11 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 11, 2019, 01:29:42 pm
Post by: Ozarck on August 11, 2019, 01:47:14 pm
I suppose since teh human God seems heavily involved in the Diving, that Adam's efforts might be more aligned with it. Still, I wonder what, if any, effect the things i mentioned will have.
Post by: Ozarck on August 13, 2019, 08:26:03 am
Dang it, Parisbre, ninja'd.
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 13, 2019, 12:43:05 pm
Post by: Ozarck on August 19, 2019, 10:14:03 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 19, 2019, 10:17:04 pm
naturegirl's about to get erased from existence.Do I not have good nerve? Any advice on something else that might be less dangerous? I don’t think my character is well equipped for combat
Post by: Ozarck on August 19, 2019, 10:52:50 pm
well, it might be fine.naturegirl's about to get erased from existence.Do I not have good nerve? Any advice on something else that might be less dangerous? I don’t think my character is well equipped for combat
you have to make 5 nerve rolls for the Dive path, then one knowledge roll for the spell and one final nerve roll.
since you took the Silent Night, you're Nerve rolls, except the last one, will be at advantage (final nerve and other stat rolls are never at advantage or disadvantage)
you have 13 nerve and 2 Diving, so you are rolling to get below a 15 on a d20. So, each nerve roll has a 70% success rate until you miss one. But since you are rolling at advantage , any missed rolls get a second roll, so at the moment you have effectively a 91% success chance per nerve roll, not counting the final roll. so, your odds look like this
path:
nerve roll: 91%
nerve roll: 91%
nerve roll: 91%
nerve roll: 91%
nerve roll: 91%
if you miss one, you lose a point of nerve and the remaining rolls all are rolled against a 14 instead of a 15. Miss a second and it drops again, and so forth. Looks like you have a ~40% chance to lose one nerve or so (very rough estimate)
THEN!
you roll against Knowledge (which governs balaram) to see if your spell works. you have 13 kow and 2 diving, so you are rolling to get below 15, so you have a 70% chance to succeed here
AND!
you roll one more Nerve check to see if there is backlash from the dive. you have 13 nerve and 2 diving, so again, 70~ chance of NOT being affected by the Sphere of EN - the uncreate sphere. The scariest sphere in the game. Also, if you lose any points of nerve on the dive path, your chance of failure increases.
we've had, let me count .... at least five Diving failures at the final nerve roll in game so far. Two got the being possessed by some entity form the sphere involved (Es and Balaram), two got the character horribly mutated in some way (those were fun!), and one had the character essentially break down into a sobbing mess.
ALSO
the size or effectivenes of the spell depends on how much you reinforce the associated spheres (in this case, Balaram and EN). Since you are not reinfrcing those spheres (which requires additional nerve rolls), don't expect a huge effect.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 19, 2019, 11:02:12 pm
11,2,3,5,5
Knowledge roll
8
Final nerve roll
7
Is this good? If this should go IC I can add the rolls to my action post
Post by: Devastator on August 19, 2019, 11:25:08 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 20, 2019, 07:26:44 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 24, 2019, 07:59:59 pm
This is a temporary loss, though - it can be recovered through a day's rest, or through worm's blood, which restores more than one nerve point (i forget if it's got a set limit per dose though).
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 26, 2019, 09:24:59 am
Post by: Ozarck on August 29, 2019, 08:41:09 pm
First: The explosion elemental isn't biological, so it's unlikely that Biology Sphere will have an effect, though it's p[ossible. I'd ask PW on the Discord about that.
Second: Es is for moving things, not controlling them. You wouldn't be making this thing your friend, you'd be pushing it around, like trying to wrestle a pitbull or something. If you want to control something, Gesh is the action Sphere you are after.
Third: You have 7 Strength and 2 Diving skill, you are rolling against a 9 in the plane of elemental forces - giving you a 60% chance of failure. Additionally, you are rolling against a 10 (8 endurance + 2 diving) for the biological sphere, giving you a 55% chance of failure there. So, between these two, you have roughly an 82% chance to fail the dive.
Fourth: you now have -2 on your Nerve, not -1. That means you are operating at an effective nerve of 11. Add your diving skill, and you are rolling each nerve roll against a 13. This means each nerve roll has a 40% fail rate. With advantage, this number drops a bit though, and can be eliminated with a proper sacrifice, but I don't thin you want to make a sacrifice for something like this. But:
Fifth, and most importantly: You just failed on both your final material roll, AND your final Nerve roll. The final material roll is why you made an explosion elemental (congratulations on that, by the way, it's awesome). The Final nerve fail means you went a litle mad or got a little possessed, as a result of that Dive. your character is the one that suddenly started screaming in the back of the group. You are in no condition to Dive, and in fact are the reason most of the other characters' actions got interrupted this turn.
When an event interrupts a whole bunch of combat related actions, something significant is happening.
Your action this turn should probably be along the lines of "fight against the madness, attempt to regain control," or "try not to hurt anyone while I'm insane."
p.s. welcome to the Dive Fails Club.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 29, 2019, 08:57:43 pm
Post by: Devastator on August 29, 2019, 09:24:00 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 29, 2019, 09:40:36 pm
Post by: syvarris on August 29, 2019, 09:57:11 pm
Being able to warp reality by force of will is balanced by the fact that reality hates your guts and will happily warp you by force, if you try to screw with it.
Post by: Devastator on August 29, 2019, 10:04:11 pm
Post by: Ozarck on August 29, 2019, 11:31:40 pm
The benefit is largely that failures can be as good as successes.only insasmuch as failures often remove a given threat to the team - the Diver.
There are two types of failure in idves: the material fal which means hte Dive doesn't do what you want, and the Nerve Fail which render you insane or possessed in some way. You can have a successful Dive with a failed nerve roll, getting the effect you want but losing your mind in the process - this was the final Dive of our lizard abomination Diver, for example.
Ashul could try it, Koste lost 2 nerve, is possessed, and so far failed every Dive she triedYour first Dive succeeded. you got a 12 on the material sphere and a 15 on the Nerve roll.
you have 13 knowledge +2 dive, so that beats the 12 of the knowledge roll, and 13 Nerve and 2 dive for the nerve roll, which apparently Bones re-rolled to a 4 (or maybe, as paris says below, this was the fate roll?). The Dive wasn't a fail, it's just that you couldn't tell what effect it had.
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 30, 2019, 08:28:36 am
Do note that things aren't always that bad with a failed insanity roll. Piecewise also rolls the fate die to see just how bad things go.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 06, 2019, 06:02:41 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on September 06, 2019, 06:24:02 pm
I wouldn't want to be next to someone who did that.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 06, 2019, 06:26:28 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 06, 2019, 07:42:59 pm
the more spheres, the less reinforcing is practical.
let's use a simple example, and Paris' Dive calculator to check it out.
Spoiler: Dive maths inside (click to show/hide)
So, to sum up, you can get away with a fair amount of reinforcing while under the influence of Silent Night, or otherwise rolling at Advantage, but practically speaking 10 reinforcements is a lot. I tend to keep my large, Silent Night fueled Dives to around 12 Nerve rolls total (and I am rolling against a target of 19). as you can see from the Dive I made recently to throw rocks at the enemy, this is usually sufficient for quite a large effect.
FINALLY
You have a much higher chance of success to protect yourself from the enemy's attacks right now by running away, squealing in terror, than you do by Diving a shield. And making a shield loses you a round of retreat time, while it doesn't make the enemy any less able to attack you. Mobility before magic, in this case.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 06, 2019, 07:44:27 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 06, 2019, 08:06:59 pm
Here is what I believe to be my largest Dive to date, in terms of number of rolls: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7899435#msg7899435 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7899435#msg7899435)
two material spheres, 21 Nerve rolls, + the final Nerve roll. This was to restore my dream robot body to wholeness after I got eaten by a giant bird made of buildings. This Dive succeeded.
HEre is an example of a strong effect with a relatively small number of rolls: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7915428#msg7915428 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7915428#msg7915428)
that was to put another character's head back together after it had been obliterated by a head-sized arrow. This Dive succeeded. I was already under the effect of a previously failed Final Nerve roll at the time.
I believe AsHul has failed three final nerve rolls: One got hm possessed by an entity from Balaram. One caused him to collapse into a ball of whininess. and i forget what the third did, if it happened.
Other Divers have likewise failed nerve rolls, one getting possessed by creatures from Es, then having their skin peel off and their body become extremely flexible and wobbly, then finally being converted into a dimensional gate and morbid art installation.
So, as you can see, failing the final Nerve roll has quite diverse repercussions.
Post by: Ozarck on September 19, 2019, 06:51:00 am
Assume your Diver girl spent the trip feeling ridiculously miserable in unexpected ways.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 19, 2019, 10:15:23 am
Post by: Radio Controlled on September 20, 2019, 04:04:11 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 20, 2019, 05:02:49 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 22, 2019, 01:08:50 pm
Post by: Ozarck on September 22, 2019, 05:32:39 pm
This might be troublesome. AsHul is planning on revealing the fire's existence to Leon, and our possession of that fire.
Note that AsHul IC made it very clear that he wanted to contain or eliminate that fire before he would even move from the Cist. Assume that he made his intentions to destroy it utterly, or to hand it to the Church to dispose of clear on the trip back. He doesn't want that fire to be a foothold outside the Cist for the creature INSIDE the Cist to get out through. He's open to alternative methods of disposal, assuming those methods do not ... encourage the ancient warrior.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 23, 2019, 11:16:31 am
I'm going to go meet the Ethral. Not only because it's profitable or because I like it both IC and OOC but also so that we can explore other parts of the story.
Post by: Ozarck on September 23, 2019, 11:40:58 am
I'm pretty sure they were scared of either someone overhearing them or that someone is monitoring them. They are in the Cthonic capital and they'd probably like to maintain good relations with them so that they can continue to maintain an outpost there. Even if nobody is monitoring them, if it was discovered that they accepted something like that in Empyrean at a later date it would probably make for, at the very least, bad PR.Their reaction to the fire is more visceral than their reaction to other 'heretical' aspects of the discussion.
I'm going to go meet the Ethral. Not only because it's profitable or because I like it both IC and OOC but also so that we can explore other parts of the story.
You let them know about your encounter and the information Ashul "found" and offer a detailed account in exchange for anything else they have on similar creatures. They agree, but state that such information of a "Heretical" nature (They use air quotes and keep looking around nervously) is held offsite. You would have to go look at it elsewhere.
They politely decline wanting to make any pronouncements on truth or falsehood of something that contradicts the scriptures.
They, in a rather excited and terrified way, Tell you go get that fire the hell out of here. They tell you that you should dispose of it and then proceed to give you some oddly specific instructions as to where to do it, including coordinates. They seem to be trying to discretely tell you to go somewhere.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 23, 2019, 11:57:54 am
Edit: or maybe a stolen nuke, depending on how much the Cthonics would disagree.
Post by: Ozarck on September 23, 2019, 12:24:27 pm
Besides, perhaps Kara herself should be concerned a bit about how the Church might view handing such a potential threat over to someone else. While the Ethral might be able to deny involvement, Kara's already pretty heavily implicated.
I worry that the Church will react quite badly in about three turns, and this could be problematic for our group.
Post by: Parisbre56 on September 23, 2019, 05:04:16 pm
But hey, maybe the Ethral and the Church have a big disagreement about this and start killing each other. Then they'll forget all about us while we profit from the destruction. That'll teach them for not paying us more.
Post by: Ozarck on September 24, 2019, 06:42:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Radio Controlled on October 04, 2019, 05:13:04 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on October 12, 2019, 08:03:50 am
Post by: Ozarck on October 12, 2019, 09:02:47 am
It has a certain ring to it.
Post by: Hotfire90 on October 16, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 16, 2019, 08:18:01 pm
Post by: Ozarck on October 17, 2019, 06:41:48 am
Your character, on the other hand, might be evoking a certain level of ... irritation.
Edit: Piecewise's comment about being a traitor was mostly a joke. More or less. It's like that here. But really, we all know it wasn't an active attempt at sabotage.
Koste is just unfortunate that way. Well, she IS a moth, after all.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 17, 2019, 06:49:59 am
Post by: piecewise on October 17, 2019, 08:37:22 am
okYeah, I'm just joking around.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 17, 2019, 09:02:47 am
Post by: Parisbre56 on October 17, 2019, 05:27:57 pm
The 5 chemical junk used for the bomb still need to removed. The wiki doesn't have any chemical junk listed in the storage, so could either Parisbre or Pancaek please remove the 5 used chemical junk from their sheet.Sure, I'll remove 5
Post by: syvarris on October 22, 2019, 06:11:30 am
I haven't asked Dubs where the rifles originate from or how much they cost or whatever, so maybe they're ethral carbines or something, but their ammo is massively cheaper (2f for 10 shots, vs. 3f for 7) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7983525#msg7983525), and the rifles themselves are probably cheaper as well. Calling them ethral rifles is asking for someone to sell one for much more than its value, or buy overpriced ammo.
Also, we have nine listed total, one batch of four and another batch of five. That sounds to me like some were accidentally cloned, but I don't feel like looking through the history of the page right now... sooo I'm just posting so whoever has paid attention can clear things up instead. I'm not just lazy.
Post by: Ozarck on October 22, 2019, 10:34:51 am
Perhaps Ethral rifles got a stat boost later on. I do believe PW reworked various weapons and things some time after this.
Post by: banelord on October 23, 2019, 10:32:40 am
Description: Grey furred mole man with welding burn scars on his face.
Goal: Found a new town to make mechanical marvels
Stats
Str: 12
Dex: 10
Spe: 8
End: 12
Awa: 10
Cun: 9
Kno: 9
Ner:13
Skills
Diving 2
Occult 1
Electronics 1
Survival 1
Weaponsmith 2
Mechanical 1
Inventory
Relic Fragment
Grappling Hook
Dynamo
1 Mechanical Junk
1 Electronic Junk
7 Fathoms
Post by: Ozarck on October 24, 2019, 04:27:54 pm
Then Dive: Balarim -> Sige reinforcing both twice for 7? rolls with the goal of assembling an electrically powered grappling gun using my grappling hook, dynamo, mechanical and electrical parts.Balaram to Sige is a path of four rolls (Akhmah -> Balaram -> Yengenze -> Es -> Sige
Reinforce Balaram 2x, Sige 2x, for a total of eight rolls.
Final material roll (Balaram: knowledge roll)
Final Nerve roll
My template for doing Dive actions:
Spoiler: Template (click to show/hide)
Stating the intention at the top of the dive is fine too, but I like to get the technical stuff out on top so it's quick and easy to scan.
Two points to remember with Diving
1) The number of Nerve rolls you fail in the Dive Path (including reinforcement rolls) will be deducted from your Nerve stat temporarily (until you get a full night's rest or drink a worm's blood.
This affects your final Nerve Roll and the likelihood you get infected.
2) Final material and Nerve rolls do not roll at advantage or disadvantage.
For the Path rolls, you can stack the dice, so to speak, by Diving in a safe, comfortable environment and calm state of mind.
The dice are stacked against you, on the other hand, when you are in a difficult situation or your mind is fucked up (balancing on a tightrope, being attacked, having a nervous breakdown ...)
But your final two rolls: the one to decide if the Dive succedes (Material) and the one to decide if the Dive drives you crazier (Nerve) are never stacked. They do take advantage of your Dive skill, however.
Post by: Radio Controlled on October 28, 2019, 02:38:39 pm
Post by: Ozarck on October 28, 2019, 02:45:37 pm
Post by: Ozarck on October 28, 2019, 11:23:03 pm
Post by: Ozarck on October 29, 2019, 07:34:28 pm
@piecewise(Do I recover the lost Nerve?))Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Couple of notes here:
1) when you want PW's attention, Bold your @PW
2) don't repeat your posts like that. That's just bad forum manners.
3) I answered this for you in Discord, but if you don't frequent Discord, you can ask these kinds of questions here in the OOC. It's a way to keep from cluttering the IC thread.
4) lost Nerve is recovered after about 24 hours, unless otherwise stated, so, since you lost nerve way back when we were in the tunnels, you should have recovered it before we even got to Empyrean, as i said some time ago. The trip to where we are happened well after that too.
5) Level-up usually happens between missions during recovery time. Usually that's a good indicator that you have 24 hours of down time for ... recovery.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 29, 2019, 08:41:37 pm
Post by: banelord on November 01, 2019, 10:56:49 am
It's not for now, but I kinda think that if we ever return to where our warehouse is (Anvil iirc) we should sell it and use the proceeds to get some extra upgrades for our bore. Every time we go there it takes quite some time and fuel and we don't seem to get that much use out of it. I'd say we commit to making the bore our home.
There's the teleportation knives that we have seen before and now have a specific diving method of making, and I've also come up with the idea for a built in portal in the Bore, so we can travel back and forth between it and the warehouse. Hopefully some better materials, bigger housing and a lot of enchantment can do that.
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 01, 2019, 11:15:38 am
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 01, 2019, 12:32:49 pm
Sorry about that, will get the numbers of each of the dice. Also edited the action to start from the correct sphere.Attempt a Dive to create an ice elemental that will protect meSpoiler (click to show/hide)
From Akhmah to Es to Nehn to Ah to create a new entity, Reinforce Ah 4x, pass through Nehn and Es to get to Telazch and Tzimtzvot to create a biological ostrich with ice elemental powers. Reinforce Telazch and Tzimtzvot 4x, pass through Noth and Jal to get to Gesh to Bind my new creation to protect me, reinforce Gesh 4x
Spoiler: Please correct any mistakes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Parisbre56 on November 01, 2019, 04:38:13 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 01, 2019, 04:51:07 pm
One thing I see that's unnecessary is multiple material rolls. You don't need to do that. You need a single material roll regardless of how many times you reinforce that material. So it should be 1 endurance, 1 strength.Will fix. Thank you
Post by: Ozarck on November 01, 2019, 09:24:40 pm
Create and Bind an Ice powered Ostrich:
Tzimzvot (elemental forces) -> Telazch (biology) -> Ah (creation) -> Gesh (Bind Will)
Reinforce each 4x.
Total path: 10 ((Tzimzvot, telazch, Es, Nehn, Ah, Nehn, Es, Akhmah, Jal, Gesh))
Total reinforce: 16
Total Nerve rolls: 26
Final Material rolls: Strength and Endurance
Final Nerve roll.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 02, 2019, 06:54:09 am
Like this, Nature Girl:Thank you. Piecewise checks this thread, right?
Create and Bind an Ice powered Ostrich:
Tzimzvot (elemental forces) -> Telazch (biology) -> Ah (creation) -> Gesh (Bind Will)
Reinforce each 4x.
Total path: 10 ((Tzimzvot, telazch, Es, Nehn, Ah, Nehn, Es, Akhmah, Jal, Gesh))
Total reinforce: 16
Total Nerve rolls: 26
Final Material rolls: Strength and Endurance
Final Nerve roll.
Post by: Ozarck on November 02, 2019, 06:58:01 am
You want that up there, copy it over to the main thread in an action post.
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 05, 2019, 12:27:11 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 05, 2019, 12:40:07 pm
I’m sorry, I thought reinforcing would increase chances of success
Look at the bright, plasma-filled side: at least your character won't be making the same mistake twice! :D
EDIT: also, if the black flame dunking plan doesn't work, I think we'll either need to try and drive the bore away from here and let it be someone else's problem (difficult, spatial location might be tied to the bore and we'd be hanging our two teammates out to dry) as well or try to do a dive to contain/dispel/move it. For the latter Ashul and Adam could work together to divide the workload a little.
Or we run and give up on the bore, of course!
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 05, 2019, 01:40:41 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 05, 2019, 02:01:31 pm
Post by: Parisbre56 on November 05, 2019, 05:46:42 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 05, 2019, 05:58:33 pm
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 06, 2019, 04:35:39 am
Yes, that she did. I didn’t know creation magic could go so wrong
Words to live by (but not for very long).
Post by: Ozarck on November 06, 2019, 05:25:12 am
Even after tidying it up, this dive was full of "adventure." I'll explain a bit more after I make a couple comments.Like this, Nature Girl:Thank you. Piecewise checks this thread, right?
Create and Bind an Ice powered Ostrich:
Tzimzvot (elemental forces) -> Telazch (biology) -> Ah (creation) -> Gesh (Bind Will)
Reinforce each 4x.
Total path: 10 ((Tzimzvot, telazch, Es, Nehn, Ah, Nehn, Es, Akhmah, Jal, Gesh))
Total reinforce: 16
Total Nerve rolls: 26
Final Material rolls: Strength and Endurance
Final Nerve roll.
I’m sorry, I thought reinforcing would increase chances of successReinforcing only increases the effect, good or bad, of a Dive. Reinforcing does NOT increase the likelihood of success. It DECREASES the likelihood of success. As you have so aptly demonstrated.
Hey, just go for it! It's not as if you were malicious in your intent, just take this as a learning experience. And maybe take things more slowly next time until you're more familiar with space magic.I agree that you should make a new character and learn from this experience. As for your intentions not being malicious, well, I expected, from the moment you posted your character sheet, that your character would either destroy herself or some of us around her, and soon. Mostly because you remind me of two other divers we've had: Yottawatt's Moku, and Egan's Weillste.
Now, aside form the very painful lesson of "more does not mean better," a couple other lessons should be learned here about Diving:
1) Dive failure is !!fun!! Don't play a Diver if you are not prepared for the risk.
2) long chains of actions are BAD, usually. Generally, you don't want to link the top set of spheres with the bottom set like that: it eats up a lot of Nerve. I don't do it, and AsHul has to beat a 19 on his nerve dive rolls, and can roll at advantage.
3) something that didn't come up, due to the Nerve failures: your spheres and the intent of your dive are not complete. First, you wanted a living creature, but you probably would have only gotten a body, since you didn't Dive to the sphere of Yengenze for the Spark of Life. Second, you wanted the reature to have Ice powers, but that is not an Elemental force, unless you mean that it can control heat or something. Ice is more of a weather effect,so you probably should have gone with Konis instead of tzimzvot. Finally, the binding to your will probably would, or at least should have failed, because, again, you weren't creating an animated creature, but a cold body. to bind a creature, it needs either a will, or to be animated by a will.
some of those ideas are somewhat debateable: ice could be a representative fo a fundamental force, and you could animate the body by your own will, so that may have worked, but I'd have to ask PW directly, which brings us to
4) being as unfamiliar with Diving as you are, you really should ask for advice on all your Dives, rather than just throwing science at the wall to see what sticks. On the other hand, throwing science at the wall is how we learn new things, and makea neat gun, for the people who are still alive. still alive~ still alive~
5) take all these points with a grain of salt, and play how you want to play. It makes things interesting. If everyone were a clone of AsHul ... well ... hmm.
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 06, 2019, 06:59:09 am
Also, you can do things without diving sometimes to make your life safer. For example, if you want a living golem, you could create one whole out of thin air, but actually making a lil' clay guy and then imbuing that with life can be substantially easier.
And don't forget about sacrificing items, stat points or even body parts to help with dives! And a dive like this, where you are making something that is not time-critical, is best done when you are sure you are rolling at advantage (a calm and safe environment).
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 06, 2019, 01:06:41 pm
Spoiler: New character, hope she lasts longer than Koste (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ozarck on November 06, 2019, 07:18:05 pm
Post by: syvarris on November 08, 2019, 04:43:16 am
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 08, 2019, 04:50:36 am
Yeaaah, if he survives this, I was gonna have Nyw just start taking relic fragments from new divers and giving them to Ashul/Adam, until those divers can prove themselves to be something aside from timebombs. Of course, that can simply be avoided by lying to Nyw about being a diver, if someone doesn't want him to be stopped from exploding~Pray tell how a Diver can prove themself without practice?
Post by: Ozarck on November 08, 2019, 09:28:31 am
Yeaaah, if he survives this, I was gonna have Nyw just start taking relic fragments from new divers and giving them to Ashul/Adam, until those divers can prove themselves to be something aside from timebombs. Of course, that can simply be avoided by lying to Nyw about being a diver, if someone doesn't want him to be stopped from exploding~Pray tell how a Diver can prove themself without practice?
- By recognizing that 12 nerve and 0 Dive skill makes Diving an extremely risky venture for everyone
- by exhibiting wisdom and practicality in non-Diving ventures
- by doing something beneficial to the team
- by laying out intended Dives, their purposes, and expected results for experienced Divers and others affected to see
- by taking direction and in general acting for the good of the team within boundaries
- by asking for advice and options on any potential Dive
- by recognizing that Diving is inherently dangerous and requires lots of bravery (+Nerve) or foolishness (-intellect) to participate in
- teh more typical route: by cleaning up after Divers' failures
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 08, 2019, 09:39:31 am
Post by: syvarris on November 08, 2019, 04:20:49 pm
Basically it'd mean no difference besides you not making immediate dives while out and adventuring (which, going on previous history with spur-of-the-moment dives, is a really good thing), and that you'd be forced to ask for advice IC. And forced to heed it. I think the primary reason that dive wasn't commented on by anyone was because you didn't lay it out IC; everyone who knows the system probably took one look at "Total Nerve rolls: 26" and started laughing nervously. I know I did!
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 08, 2019, 05:51:19 pm
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 10, 2019, 10:44:25 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
((Since this character was killed before doing anything, can I res pawn her outside of the bore, or should I make a 3rd character?
Post by: Radio Controlled on November 10, 2019, 10:53:00 am
Post by: Devastator on November 11, 2019, 12:08:27 am
Post by: Ozarck on January 03, 2020, 06:53:02 pm
Last I knew:
The Lord's Child and his crew were off hunting drug dealers in the Ethral town we are visiting
The Bird, the Rock, and the Eyes of En were down in the crystal city tinkering with forces beyond human reckoning.
The Monstroisty (me) was sitting on the bore, brooding about the damage done to it, the Music of the Spheres, and Stuff.
that about sum up where we still are? Any important developments I or my character should know about?
Post by: Parisbre56 on January 04, 2020, 05:28:28 am
Post by: Ozarck on January 04, 2020, 10:37:00 am
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 18, 2020, 06:31:05 pm
If this is invalid, tell me. I am not quite sure where I am right nowUse my cleaver on the mole if Clate’s rock pellets don’t do what is intendedSpoiler (click to show/hide)
after the fight, would you be willing to help me find a conduit?
Clearly my action is invalid, can I get a reminder to where Rhea is? I am actually confused
Post by: Radio Controlled on June 04, 2020, 04:11:19 am
((Don't forget that AsHul and Adam are Wanted by factions within the Church for our 'special gifts.'))
I wasn't particularly planning to bring that up, though if it comes to a meeting in person it might be unavoidable he'd notice.
Post by: Ozarck on June 04, 2020, 07:37:27 am
Yeah, I didn't mean for you to mention it, just for Adam to have that in mind with planning and negotiating and whatnot((Don't forget that AsHul and Adam are Wanted by factions within the Church for our 'special gifts.'))
I wasn't particularly planning to bring that up, though if it comes to a meeting in person it might be unavoidable he'd notice.
Post by: Radio Controlled on August 29, 2020, 12:25:47 pm
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((@RC: Want me to roll for you? Or do you want me to make sure Piecewise does it?))
Well, it depends, do you have a hot hand right now? If yes, roll me up baby! If not let the skellington ruin my day instead, more fair that way~
Either way, thanks for offering!
Post by: Parisbre56 on August 30, 2020, 01:03:48 am