N?O. I'm feeling worse than usual right now, I don't want my hand in too many pots necessarily.
However, if you feel the urge to shout, "learn 2 play n00b!!1" by all means, please do. I need all the criticism I you can give, constructive or otherwise. I'll learn quickly, that way.
I aim to please.I'll yell at you sooooo much... :)
THAT'S EVEN WORSENot how the song goes!
I hate the song because I can only think of Shrek when I hear it and while Shrek wasn't a miserable movie it's not what I prefer to think about right nowTHAT'S EVEN WORSENot how the song goes!
What movie would you rather think of? The Little Mermaid?I hate the song because I can only think of Shrek when I hear it and while Shrek wasn't a miserable movie it's not what I prefer to think about right nowTHAT'S EVEN WORSENot how the song goes!
Ughhh. Same here. My little siblings had the soundtrack.I hate the song because I can only think of Shrek when I hear it and while Shrek wasn't a miserable movie it's not what I prefer to think about right nowTHAT'S EVEN WORSENot how the song goes!
In this case, they are coaches: outside the game but able to comment and support the players in the game. Their goal isn't to win but to, instead, help you learn the tricks and pitfalls of the game.So, what am I allowed to do in this game?
The Town IC knows what the town knows and, thus, can help the town learn how to organize, scumhunt, and avoid the traps that cause a town to lose.
The mafia IC can contact the mafia through Quick Topic so they can help the mafia avoid detection and confuse the town.
The ICs shouldn't be trying to win the game for the town (nor the town should use the ICs to try to win) they are free to speak directly about the game. It's different from the ICs in the other games, which had to balance town aid with their own wishes to win (especially for mafia ICs).
The ICs shouldn't be trying to win the game for the town (nor the town should use the ICs to try to win) they are free to speak directly about the game. It's different from the ICs in the other games, which had to balance town aid with their own wishes to win (especially for mafia ICs).
I'll join. If "beginner" is the only requirement, then hopefully this being my first Mafia qualifies me.It'll be just fine. Don't take my yelling personally and you'll do well.
Protip: Webadict is always the scum.Is that so.
<.<
I think me as Mafia, Web as Town, would be the best IC combo if nobody else wants in. Web is good Mafia, but his skill really shines when he's town.Pandarsenic is lying mafia scum, clearly.
SirBayer, that's not entirely correct. I know, because I've been called out for having that opinion.
RVS can be one of the town's greatest advantages, and it can really help to expose scum early on.
Applying a liberal amount of pressure over a controlled area can cause wondrous things to happen -- people crack easier than you might think.
Basically, to some effect, the RVS sets up completely unreasonable votes for absolutely any reason. These votes have different effects on others. There are even specific strategies to the RVS, like the Toony Tunnel, which I have YET to see miss, by the way.SirBayer, that's not entirely correct. I know, because I've been called out for having that opinion.
RVS can be one of the town's greatest advantages, and it can really help to expose scum early on.
Applying a liberal amount of pressure over a controlled area can cause wondrous things to happen -- people crack easier than you might think.
I don't entirely understand how. I am a beginner, though. Perhaps Webadict would be so kind as to explain...? Or you.
SirBayer, that's not entirely correct. I know, because I've been called out for having that opinion.Apostolic Nihilist, why do you sound like Apostatic Nihilist?
Laetificus, what's your opinion on the current state of things? I'm curious to hear what you plan on doing this turn.
Org mind coming in here and talking to us?FAIL
And yes, RVS is very useful, if for no other reason than you can read people. If people seem to change how they work from the RVS to current, they are likely trying to hide something they let slip, or at least thats what I've gathered.
I will not be on til late tommorrow. Tourney
Org mind coming in here and talking to us?FAIL
And yes, RVS is very useful, if for no other reason than you can read people. If people seem to change how they work from the RVS to current, they are likely trying to hide something they let slip, or at least thats what I've gathered.I will not be on til late tommorrow. Tourney
So, tehstefan, who would your favorite scum buddies be and why?
So, tehstefan, who would your favorite scum buddies be and why?
For me, my ideal scum partner would be Webadict. I've seen what he can do, he's absolutely amazing. Of course, Pandarsenic is too, but I've not personally experienced how amazing he is at tearing a town apart at the seams.
Forced-question! Anyone who doesn't answer is FoS'ed. Who would be your favorite scum partner?Wouldn't it be better to limit answers to those from this game?
CobaltKobold, what role would you prefer to have the most (as town) and why?I'll give some bonus answers. As town, cop. Basically, investigative results are useful almost no matter where you point them, unlike a protect.
Forced-question! Anyone who doesn't answer is FoS'ed. Who would be your favorite scum partner?Wouldn't it be better to limit answers to those from this game?
Basically, Org just pulled an OMGUS (Oh My God, U Suck), which is voting someone because you voted for them. Which is generally bad town play, because that's a terrible reason to vote for someone.Org mind coming in here and talking to us?FAIL
And yes, RVS is very useful, if for no other reason than you can read people. If people seem to change how they work from the RVS to current, they are likely trying to hide something they let slip, or at least thats what I've gathered.I will not be on til late tommorrow. Tourney
So, tehstefan, who would your favorite scum buddies be and why?
*CoughOMGUScoughcough*
FINGER OF SUSPICION ON WILL SMITH
So yeah, gotta keep waiting for those answers. If I've got nothing on Laeitificius by... Monday, then I'm shifting my vote.
So, my role would be "Nuclear Rocket Surgeon."That's...pretty catchy, actually.
This question neither pertains to this mafia nor gives any viable information. This question is nonsensical.
FINGER OF SUSPICION ON WILL SMITH
So yeah, gotta keep waiting for those answers. If I've got nothing on Laeitificius by... Monday, then I'm shifting my vote.
Right, having an apparently experienced scum-buddy like Webadict or Pandarsenic would be pretty fun. Even someone like Vector looks like a good mafia thinker.
Oh, also, SirBayer, if you could create your own role in mafia, what would it be able to do?
Good enough answers. Unvote.
Vector, why am I the only person voting for you?
Martyr Syndrome, why do you have to die for so many causes?
Laetificus, what's your opinion on the current state of things? I'm curious to hear what you plan on doing this turn.
This question neither pertains to this mafia nor gives any viable information. This question is nonsensical.Lex Luthor stole forty cakes. That's as many as four tens.
Isn't it? If I ever host a game, it WILL be a role.So, my role would be "Nuclear Rocket Surgeon."That's...pretty catchy, actually.
Vector, I'm gonna play this straight. I have no idea here. I don't know many scumtells and I've barely played any games at all. My lack of experience leads me to not even have intuition, and I think it'll be much easier to guess who's scum once we've seen some roleclaiming. After that, we'll see what's going on.
This RSV is unfolding as it should. (Though excuse my nub-appeal when I ask, what does FoS refer to?) The plan here is to critically analyze the personas that people adopt versus what role they actually achieve, hoping to find some sort of distortion, be it intentional or not, across the different roles. Eh, at least I think.Sounds about right to me. My vote goes unchanged, though. Nothing personal.
We...actually have a Martyr Syndrome? Well.I don't see any relationship between the 'L' consonant sound and the 'T' consonant sound, but hey -- who knows?SirBayer, that's not entirely correct. I know, because I've been called out for having that opinion.Apostolic Nihilist, why do you sound like Apostatic Nihilist?
Why are you a member of theMafiaHomeowner's Association?
Nice weather we're having, isn't it?
Town is totally gonna win.
Who do you think would be the most dangerous scum players in this game?I know you didn't ask me, but I'll give a generic answer: the ones you don't suspect
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
.....Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
.....Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
[/quot...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out....Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out....Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out....Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.....What?...Why, because I'm mafia of course.
Martyr Syndrome, why do you find Laetificus suspicious? You yourself have stated that his story checks out.
RedWarrior0, care to actually ask people questions? This is kind of ridiculous. We've got the town sitting around waiting for the nightkill, doing nothing. As Dakarian said, we've got to start unwrapping this stuff Day 1.Well, Martyr Syndrome just practically asked to be lynched. Org was just very... spammy in rubbing it in, but I suppose he could be unhelpful townie (probable). Martyr, why did you just ask to be lynched?
With that in mind, who do you suspect most, and why?
Laetificus seems like a decent choice.Why?
Now, I pose a question to both Cobalt Kobold and tehstefan:Org is infamous for lying low. Doing it more generally will not cause remark, but he's likely to get lynched for it.
Who do you think would be the most dangerous scum players in this game?
Town has no reason to claim to be mafia (jester excepted).Except that jester is a) third party and b) not in this.
Well, simply because he seems to be somewhat experienced and furthermore is new to the forums.Laetificus seems like a decent choice.Why?
Why aren't more people asking their ICs questions, I wonder?I was thinking, town only has one IC, not 2. CobaltKobold, why the hell did you just use ICs in the plural if town has exactly one?
Unvote. I sense a slip-up:Mainly because I was trying to be inclusive. Let me point out an alternate scenario:Why aren't more people asking their ICs questions, I wonder?I was thinking, town only has one IC, not 2. CobaltKobold, why the hell did you just use ICs in the plural if town has exactly one?
This seems to me to be a similar, but more egregious slip-up. It seems to me in many cases(not just mafia) that, when faced with an accusation, a guilty party will say "you cannot prove that" more often whereas an innocent is more likely to say "No, I did/am not."Why are you a member of theI can't say that I'm a member of theMafiaHomeowner's Association?
Nice weather we're having, isn't it?MafiaHomeowner's Association either.
Would you mind cutting the crap, playing the game, and actually being helpful... Mr. Scumbucket?
unvote Talking to Martyr Syndrome there Vector?
Furthermore in this post Vector is accusing someone of ignoring his questions...while ignoring my question.
So, Martyr Syndrome. Given that you seem to have been ignoring my last couple of questions, I suppose I'll ask another one: why do you persist in your behavior, even though you are up for a lynching?
Also: Damn. Good catch.
You're not webadict...
And it is so delightful to watch people flounder in it, at least it would be if I were Mafia. Why do I not get to be mafia.Twisting words is something scum does. Seems to me as if you're trying to deflect the suspicion that's built up around you, off to me.This seems to me to be a similar, but more egregious slip-up. It seems to me in many cases(not just mafia) that, when faced with an accusation, a guilty party will say "you cannot prove that" more often whereas an innocent is more likely to say "No, I did/am not."Why are you a member of theI can't say that I'm a member of theMafiaHomeowner's Association?
Nice weather we're having, isn't it?MafiaHomeowner's Association either.Spoiler: If I were an evil misquoter (click to show/hide)
This RSV is unfolding as it should. (Though excuse my nub-appeal when I ask, what does FoS refer to?) The plan here is to critically analyze the personas that people adopt versus what role they actually achieve, hoping to find some sort of distortion, be it intentional or not, across the different roles. Eh, at least I think.Sounds about right to me. My vote goes unchanged, though. Nothing personal.
The joke of saying "I'm mafia" has a higher chance of coming from mafia than anyone else. I remember a Paranormal game where Alexhans said he was a Dopp. And he was!This RSV is unfolding as it should. (Though excuse my nub-appeal when I ask, what does FoS refer to?) The plan here is to critically analyze the personas that people adopt versus what role they actually achieve, hoping to find some sort of distortion, be it intentional or not, across the different roles. Eh, at least I think.Sounds about right to me. My vote goes unchanged, though. Nothing personal.
Aye, I guess we'll have to see that tehstefan's answer, but Martyr Syndrome is being unbelievably conniving. Initially voting for a rather anonymous character, and almost dodging the question here, by not providing anything contributive, in fact, only copying what I said.
Oh, also, the whole blatantly obvious "I'm mafia" thing is either an unsuccessful attempt of humor, an attempt to derail the actual town train of thought, or a strange choice of WIFOM. I mean, either he's mafia, at which point this WIFOM completely lost it's purpose, or he's town, where the mafia will likely keep him alive, if only to hinder the rest of the town's ability to think straight. Either way, he's sounding like a liability.
Unvote. Martyr Syndrome.
uh, all but Org are voting, vector. What're you talking about?
though org could oddly save MS with a selfvote
MS:3 Org:2 RW,CK,Laet:1 apiece
Upon deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, there will be no lynch.
CobaltKobold, why do you think nobody died last night?Well, the apparent lack of deadline, and the timing of dakarian's post, seem to indicate that the night roles/mafia made decisions rather than any timing out.
I don't know if there's a doctor at all.This would be an unjustified OMGUS. You're basically voting him because he voted you. He was expecting an answer, and he wasn't satisifed with it.
Lessee...I answer your question and you "feel I'm scum" without pointing out anything, so leave the vote on me.
By asking that question, you DO seem to think a doctor got lucky. Which would imply that you knew that the mafia were trying to kill last night. (This could be reinforced by the wording of his initial "why do you think nobody died last night", but I don't think it's enough on its own for anything)
redwarrior0 you are being quite scummy to my eyes.
I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.
I think I'll keep my vote on you because I have this feeling you're scum.
redwarrior0 you are being quite scummy to my eyes.
Which would imply that you knew that the mafia were trying to kill last night.Oh no! This powerful argument makes me shake in my boots! Of course, anybody who knows that the mafia is going to kill MUST be scum! I must be, too, then!
OMGUS = Old, broken tell. It hasn't caught scum in ages and scum around here are very likely to attack a town with poor excuses.
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I agree: OMGUS on its own isn't a good tell at all. What is a good tell is getting very worked up over people voting you, and the OMGUS is just a topping on all of that. Hence "Add OMGUSing to your list of offenses", not "You OMGUSed, you must be scum!".
That shouldn't be stricken through.But RedWarrior0 is where I have my sights at the moment.
Pardon? "Praising the Doctor/(insert role here)" is a scumtell*. He appears to be doing that. That is my justification. I'm sticking to it.Part number 1: I am saying that it's the most logical. A beginner team would probably not skip a nightkill, and a competent IC like Pandar would probably try and stop them if they wanted to. That's the only reason you gave, and it's either that or the 1/7 chance of doctor guessing right, as there are no town roleblockers.
-snip-
pre-post: If the doctor's saying "doctor got lucky" then you press them on it, they claim, and you get off 'em. Softclaiming doctor then?
you seem to be asking if I'm softclaiming doctor: what benefit does it give to you?None. You claiming doctor would have a detrimental effect as, s you say, the mafia would then target you. So don't tell me/the town/the mafia.
Gnight.
Org I have a bad feeling about you. How about answering my questions from yesterday?Where is this?
Also, dak, I'll be gone over the weekend, Friday afternoon to Sunday evening EST. Just letting you know.
I wouldn't call it bandwagoning, per se. Martyr Syndrome claimed scum and so I voted for him, it's as simple as that. I was completely justified in voting for him. Mostly I wanted to make sure he couldn't pop in and vote Org to tie up the votes, though.I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.
'Scuse me, but am I the only one picking up some bandwagoning here?
Apostolic Nihilist, what say you to that?
Also, Vector - my apologies on missing out on a little bit of time. Real Life interfered.
I am a little disappointed by the lack-of-night-kill. It would be nice if we could find out if we've got a specialist, and if so, what variety, but a role-claim seems useless at this point, really.
Okay, yeah, but you waited until it was clear he wasn't winning this time around.I wouldn't call it bandwagoning, per se. Martyr Syndrome claimed scum and so I voted for him, it's as simple as that. I was completely justified in voting for him. Mostly I wanted to make sure he couldn't pop in and vote Org to tie up the votes, though.I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.
'Scuse me, but am I the only one picking up some bandwagoning here?
Apostolic Nihilist, what say you to that?
Also, Vector - my apologies on missing out on a little bit of time. Real Life interfered.
I am a little disappointed by the lack-of-night-kill. It would be nice if we could find out if we've got a specialist, and if so, what variety, but a role-claim seems useless at this point, really.
Laetificus, do you have any insight you'd like to share? Do you suppose we had a lucky doctor or novice scum?
I think I'd laugh/cry if it turned out to be me that the (alleged) doctor protected.One, the doctor shouldn't claim. That'll only lead to the doctor claiming, and, in case of some devilish plot, might lead to scum being "confirmed."
why is my boyfriend being such a ditz...
Also, there's actually some small value in a doctor claiming who they protected, as it might point to a townie. But it's less than the loss of the doctor that inevitably would follow, as the mafia might not kill and you're only slightly closer to finding any.
so web, what would you do to get out of this situation, since you're my IC supposedly? yes dakarian I'd be fine with you answering too. (Or e'en pandarsenic, as basically the only viable scum way of getting out is the town way- anything else just points to scumhood)
Your tenacity and use of logic are suggesting to me that you're town, redwarrior0. Annoying town, but town. unvote
I'd vote for SirBayer if he hadn't shown up.
On page eleven Org, I asked you both you and leafieus what reads you had on people. So, I would appreciate you answering that. Especially with your vote yesterday, which I still don't like at all.
Laetificus falls under this as well, he's not said much at all, but has answered questions at least, so null him.
Laetificus, do you have any insight you'd like to share? Do you suppose we had a lucky doctor or novice scum?
Two, to get out of this situation, you need to stop overreacting. That's your problem. Overreaction is a scumtell, especially for newbies. While OMGUS is generally a null tell on mafia, newbie mafia tend to OMGUS. So, instead of freaking out, start thinking logically.Right...there's only one vote on me. No need to panic.
Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.
Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.The town-vector I know is not so nonchalant and casual. Why so not-serious, scum-vector? don't you want to find scum?
Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.The town-vector I know is not so nonchalant and casual. Why so not-serious, scum-vector? don't you want to find scum?
Let me serve up a more interesting question, that one's boring.
Who, if scum now, would you think would pose the most danger to the town, and why? En List please. The voting table should serve as a reasonable !alive.
This'll be interesting to hear.
Just a comment here - as I'm new, I'm going to assume I shouldn't feel bad about having little to no knowledge of these people's history. I don't know how they play. I suspect it's a disadvantage for me, but I'm just trying to do what I can while I can.
Assuming, then, that scum would not request extensions willingly (completely ignoring any WIFOM), the only remaining suspects are Myself, Org, Laetificius, and Apostolic. I'll try to clear myself by pointing out that scum would not want to include themselves in a narrowed group, especially new scum. Whether or not that works, whatever.
I'll think about interrogation... later. ._.
Assuming, then, that scum would not request extensions willingly (completely ignoring any WIFOM), the only remaining suspects are Myself, Org, Laetificius, and Apostolic. I'll try to clear myself by pointing out that scum would not want to include themselves in a narrowed group, especially new scum. Whether or not that works, whatever....Okay, so you're saying that you're including yourself in this group right next to "ignoring any wifom" and "scum don't want to do this". And saying "Hey that makes me clear ok". This smells like WIFOM to me. Putting off asking questions appears also mildly scummy, is potentially excusable by time constraints, really only icing on the cake.
I'll think about interrogation... later. ._.
It actually depends most on the composition of the town... but let's say we're working with this composition.What do you mean composition? I see no referent for "this composition".
Vector[...]I'm also good at picking kills and maximizing town arguments.Good, we could use som- oh, wait, setup's too simple for a vigilante. Don't think we want you maximizing town arguments either.
CobaltKobold[...] you're even higher-strung than I am
Laetificus [...]Don't ask how I know that.How do you know that? It's not very town to hold back your information. The mafia have an information lead to the start. The town need to close that gap to win by anything other than luck.
SirBayer If he were active scum, I'd probably be able to see him coming from a mile away. [...]Hoping he's not another silent and furious from around the bend."silent and furious from around the bend"? Please explain what that is supposed to signify. Also, if his IRC mafiosoing is any indicator, he had me fooled into thinking he was an active town. I would not discount him so easily, though he did seem to be easily confused.
A question for you: why aren't you following up your suspicions on Org?I assume by quote placement that this is for SirBayer.
Quote from: VectorIt actually depends most on the composition of the town... but let's say we're working with this composition.
What do you mean composition? I see no referent for "this composition".
Quote from: VectorVector[...]I'm also good at picking kills and maximizing town arguments
Good, we could use som- oh, wait, setup's too simple for a vigilante. Don't think we want you maximizing town arguments either.
Quote from: VectorLaetificus [...]Don't ask how I know that.
How do you know that? It's not very town to hold back your information. The mafia have an information lead to the start. The town need to close that gap to win by anything other than luck.
Quote from: VectorSirBayer If he were active scum, I'd probably be able to see him coming from a mile away. [...]Hoping he's not another silent and furious from around the bend.
"silent and furious from around the bend"? Please explain what that is supposed to signify. Also, if his IRC mafiosoing is any indicator, he had me fooled into thinking he was an active town. I would not discount him so easily, though he did seem to be easily confused.
Quote from: VectorA question for you: why aren't you following up your suspicions on Org?
I assume by quote placement that this is for SirBayer.
Composition: the players in the game, with their particular amounts of Lurkiness, Perception, Intellect, etc. Essentially, the atmosphere in which we are playing. I'm saying "these players, in this system," rather than "these players, in an arbitrary system." I consider the distinction important, though you may not.Ah, you mean the players in this game. I did mean only them.
However, it's only his first game. If he's scum, he'll get through D1 easy, when the town is trying to get information and having a rabid lynch-fest. D2, town is scared. Town wants blood. Town is going to pressure, since it knows it's one away from Lylo.I think I saw him on the IRC mafia,may be wrong there. Also, it IS day 2. I'm not really seeing much pressure, just single votes floating and not doing a whole lot. (Except landing on me. *swat*) At least we ha'e the weekend now.
Hey, Org, may I ask you a serious question here?And from me... If you (org) were scum, what information (aside from that you're scum) would you feel would be most dangerous to you? Why?
What kind of reads are you getting of people, if any, and why do you feel that way?
This'll be interesting to hear.
Just a comment here - as I'm new, I'm going to assume I shouldn't feel bad about having little to no knowledge of these people's history. I don't know how they play. I suspect it's a disadvantage for me, but I'm just trying to do what I can while I can.
He was also grasping at straws to implicate me earlier, though I'm not sure why -- faulty reasoning is often present in scum's accusations.
I, while not the most dangerous scum, could be one of the most, were I to be scum. Think about it. You've all on some level passed me off. If I were scum, nobody would really... suspect me, because this is just kind of how I play. Lazy-like.I did not. And you tell me what I know to be why I do not think you should be discounted:
If I were scum and someone asked me all these questions, I'd answer in exactly the same way as I do as town: completely honestly. There's got to be a better way to find the scumtells we're looking for.Clearly you can't be COMPLETELY honest as scum, though, else: "Are you scum?" "Yes." *lynch scum*. Basically all exceptions boil down to this and trying to not implicate others. It is these that we look for. And shoddy reasoning as AN claims and then you point out in him.
Not of Org, but of SirBayer:I, while not the most dangerous scum, could be one of the most, were I to be scum. Think about it. You've all on some level passed me off. If I were scum, nobody would really... suspect me, because this is just kind of how I play. Lazy-like.I did not. And you tell me what I know to be why I do not think you should be discounted:Quote from: SirBayerIf I were scum and someone asked me all these questions, I'd answer in exactly the same way as I do as town: completely honestly. There's got to be a better way to find the scumtells we're looking for.Clearly you can't be COMPLETELY honest as scum, though, else: "Are you scum?" "Yes." *lynch scum*. Basically all exceptions boil down to this and trying to not implicate others. It is these that we look for. And shoddy reasoning as AN claims and then you point out in him.
Org, come out and post.
AN, please point out the "faulty reasoning" of Org.
If I hadn't voted Martyr, he could've tied the vote with a vote on Org; in other words, it wasn't bandwagoning at all, and I'm not sure why SirBayer believed it to be.I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.
'Scuse me, but am I the only one picking up some bandwagoning here?
Apostolic Nihilist, what say you to that?
@Vector: Why don't I follow up my suspicions on Org? Because we're not gonna hear anything from him until the end of the freaking round. There's no point asking a question of someone who isn't going to answer.
Emotional appeals: Vector, you've counted me out as scum already. Responding to a question I wasn't asked, I'm just gonna point this out: I, while not the most dangerous scum, could be one of the most, were I to be scum. Think about it. You've all on some level passed me off. If I were scum, nobody would really... suspect me, because this is just kind of how I play. Lazy-like.
Regarding WIFOM: If you read the statement while ignoring the WIFOM, as suggested by... was it Dakarian or Webadict? I don't recall, but the point is if you do it that way, it makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Isn't this a game of logic?
Final question: Why do we ask these questions of these people? I don't understand what we're meant to get out of them. If I were scum and someone asked me all these questions, I'd answer in exactly the same way as I do as town: completely honestly. There's got to be a better way to find the scumtells we're looking for.
You can't play the want to play.
4. I do not have to play the game by your standards alone, Free Beer.This is a game he was town in, people. Take note.
This'll be interesting to hear.
Just a comment here - as I'm new, I'm going to assume I shouldn't feel bad about having little to no knowledge of these people's history. I don't know how they play. I suspect it's a disadvantage for me, but I'm just trying to do what I can while I can.
Assuming, then, that scum would not request extensions willingly (completely ignoring any WIFOM), the only remaining suspects are Myself, Org, Laetificius, and Apostolic. I'll try to clear myself by pointing out that scum would not want to include themselves in a narrowed group, especially new scum. Whether or not that works, whatever.
I'll think about interrogation... later. ._.
Regarding WIFOM: If you read the statement while ignoring the WIFOM, as suggested by... was it Dakarian or Webadict? I don't recall, but the point is if you do it that way, it makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Isn't this a game of logic?
Final question: Why do we ask these questions of these people? I don't understand what we're meant to get out of them. If I were scum and someone asked me all these questions, I'd answer in exactly the same way as I do as town: completely honestly. There's got to be a better way to find the scumtells we're looking for.You're acting as if asking questions and suspicion is a unimportant part of the mechanics of the game. Well, in a game based around logic, what do we want people to do? We need them to say things, we need to see them when they're vulnerable, when they're defensive. If no one asks anything, there's no way any scumtells would ever be made. Scumtells are a manifestation of irrational judgment and emotions caused by how the gears in this game turn.
But I do. You were saying "You can't play the way you want to play", contrary to the attitude of the (town) Vector I know.4. I do not have to play the game by your standards alone, Free Beer.
This is a game he was town in, people. Take note.
Current Vote Count:So guys, bandwagoning an easy target? Scummy as I see it.
SirBayer[1]: Vector
CobaltKobold[1]: RedWarrior0
Org[2]: Tehstefan, CobaltKobold
Apostolic Nihilist[1]: SirBayer
Tehstefan[1]: Laetificus
Org: Apostolic Nihilist
Note Voting: Org
Deadline: Monday, 11am EST
Org, by not voting, you're not helping. It just shows that even though you're under pressure, you don't want to seem too aggressive, which is a good scumtell.But Im not sure who to vote unless I vote one of them who voted me but thats an OMGUS and scumtell!
So, if you're town, you're bad town, and if you're scum, you're really bad scum.
Assuming, then, that scum would not request extensions willingly (completely ignoring any WIFOM), the only remaining suspects are Myself, Org, Laetificius, and Apostolic. I'll try to clear myself by pointing out that scum would not want to include themselves in a narrowed group, especially new scum. Whether or not that works, whatever.
I can state one thing ahead of Webadict.Actually, now that I've called anti-OMGUS as a scumtell, I'm starting to reintegrate the OMGUS scumtell.
lately Webadict has not only stopped claiming OMGUS as a scumtell, but he's started considering people who avoid doing such things AS slightly scummy. Call it the 'Anti-OMGUS scumtell"
"I" will say this myself:
Town doesn't win if they can avoid getting suspected or even lynched. Town wins when they find and kill scum.
So, Everyone: Is what you are doing now trying to avoid getting hurt, or trying to find the scum?
Vector, why the over-reaction to a slight change of interpretation? He didn't even vote for you, just a vague FoS.
Current Vote Count:I am voting for Note?
SirBayer[1]: Vector
CobaltKobold[1]: RedWarrior0
Org[2]: Tehstefan, Apostolic Nihilist
Apostolic Nihilist[1]: CobaltKobold
Tehstefan[1]: Laetificus
Vector[1]:SirBayer
Note Voting: Org
Deadline: Monday, 11am EST
4 requests to extend with no objections are required to extend for another day.
Tehstefan. The fact that a noob is still alive astounds me, especially you. Lets face it, I think you're scum.
Why are you protecting him? They would go for noobs, while the "advanced players" tend not to agree as much on anything and actually argue more than the nubcakes.Tehstefan. The fact that a noob is still alive astounds me, especially you. Lets face it, I think you're scum.
Org, you're awfully chatty and seem to be voting Tehstefan for entirely arbitrary reasons. Why would the scum go for noobs while leaving all the advanced (and dangerous) players lying around?
Why are you protecting him? They would go for noobs, while the "advanced players" tend not to agree as much on anything and actually argue more than the nubcakes.
I think you are being a MORON. Get that in your head?Why are you protecting him? They would go for noobs, while the "advanced players" tend not to agree as much on anything and actually argue more than the nubcakes.
I'm not protecting him. I'm telling you you're being ridiculous and acting incredibly scummy.
I think you are being a MORON. Get that in your head?
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOOD AT MAFIAS(IE NEW PEOPLE) MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO AGREE AND JOIN UP WITH ANOTHER PLAYER BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE PLAYED A BIT MORE AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. GET THAT?
....??I think you are being a MORON. Get that in your head?
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOOD AT MAFIAS(IE NEW PEOPLE) MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO AGREE AND JOIN UP WITH ANOTHER PLAYER BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE PLAYED A BIT MORE AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. GET THAT?
First off, copying Webadict's playstyle without Webadict's intelligence in tow is going to get you nowhere. He gets away with being abrasive only because he's smart. Second, you're still being silly. Why would the scum want agreeable people dead? Followers mean easy votes and lynch-controlling.
Now stop being stupid and provide me with some real answers.
Newbs(IE TehStefan) may be more willing to follow someone who plays Mafia games more, because he is not so good at the game. Now, what this means is they would kill the Advanced Players.
Anyway, Org, I agree. You're being suspiciously active, even just in this game. This is the highest concentration of posts you've really had the entire time, or from what I've seen. Can't just take that as sudden interest in the game, can we?
Also, anyone up for the discussion of the scum's choice of who to knock off? RedWarrior0 didn't seem like a huge threat to anyone, in my opinion. If memory serves, he wasn't tunneling anyone, and he wasn't really being a problem at all. I wonder if the scum just random-killed.
Furthermore, I fail to see the justification for "flimsy, half-baked." Bandwagoning... I understand that suspicion. But I see a lot of Org very suddenly, and I come to the same conclusion. Is there something innately wrong with that?
you're awfully chatty
However, I find it mightily suspicious that you do what you vociferously nagged us about doing: putting words into my mouth. Where's this "defense" you claim I'm putting up?
However, I disagree with his theory that scum always eliminates advanced first. Doing that, while simply scum-tactics, is also a little bit... predictable, perhaps? Again, though, he's making reasonable conjecture and we seem to be skewing it. Or ignoring it altogether. That seems unwise.
In fact, it seems a bit scummy. Looking back, Tehstefan is doing exactly what you accuse me of doing, riding the exact same argument as you...
...and you don't say a thing. Not a little thing about it. So, Vector, what do you say of that?
Sure they argue more, but they also think for themselves Org. What would make me any more of a target than anyone else? In fact, the lack of argument would be great, as an experienced scum could completely manipulate the town. Webadict did just that, killing off all the town that could argue, and then the noobs, including myself, were completely taken off guard.
Org My vote stays on you for the exact same reason it was on you yesterday.
I suppose there's something to that. However, I thought we were looking for changes in behavior here? Furthermore - you're doing the same thing, honestly. Accusing Org based on sudden change of post-frequency. (I suppose we might look for some continuation of this trend - this change of activity, particularly on Org.)
The conjecture is important as any other piece of evidence we have on him. It indicates mindset and direction somehow. I haven't worked out how, and I'm conjecturing on how his conjecturing relates to scumminess, which in turn etc.
1. Change in behavior (sudden chattiness, which Pandarsenic says is a scumtell for Org. Of course, Pandarsenic was scum at the time, so I don't fully trust this one. Further, Org has been a lot more active in all of his games recently)
2. Jumpiness
3. Contradictory behavior
4. Sudden explosive anger when people vote him (frequently a scumtell)/irrational fear of dying
5. Bandwagoning (might just be an Org thing)
1 I always try to do this so no one can tell what I am. :3
2 Meh
3 I lold once I figured out that I messed up. :3
4 Irrational, fear of dying??
5 Org thing. :3
1 I always try to do this so no one can tell what I am. :3
2 Meh
3 I lold once I figured out that I messed up. :3
4 Irrational, fear of dying??
5 Org thing. :3
Now, Laetificus. You seem to only speak when prodded, so here's a slight prod.:-/ Apostolic Nihilist didn't respond to being called scum/voted by me AT ALL. Do you think you get to ignore the town, Apostolic Nihilist?
What do you make of this? What of Org?
Anyway, Org, I agree. You're being suspiciously active, even just in this game. This is the highest concentration of posts you've really had the entire time, or from what I've seen. Can't just take that as sudden interest in the game, can we?We could. He seems to be more active than before in all games I've been looking at. The way I see it, SirBayer, people lynch Org for lurking (he must be scum/isn't helping the town), or you lynch him for NOT lurking. A model not depending on its inputs is...class?...a nonpredictive model.
Also, anyone up for the discussion of the scum's choice of who to knock off? RedWarrior0 didn't seem like a huge threat to anyone, in my opinion. If memory serves, he wasn't tunneling anyone,I'll correct your faulty memory, because it serves the town to know the truth: he was focused on me, for the "ICs" comment.
Cobalt and Laetificius haven't said a thing today. You guys still out there?Yes.
1. Change in behavior (sudden chattiness, which Pandarsenic says is a scumtell for Org. Of course, Pandarsenic was scum at the time, so I don't fully trust this one. Further, Org has been a lot more active in all of his games recently)
Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.The town-vector I know is not so nonchalant and casual. Why so not-serious, scum-vector? don't you want to find scum?
Of course I want to find scum. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for an extension.
To address your misconception that town-Vector is always tense, I'm usually tense due to too much insanity IRL. Now that I'm less crazy, I'm much more relaxed.
Indeed, Vector. Org, your statement makes no sense.You need to think for yourself once. Vector says this, as one of his points:
"I am copying webadict oh wow thats not changing my behavior?" What is that supposed to mean?
Good point, CK.
Org. I am thinking for myself. I have trawled up a fair amount of evidence against you. I do not trust you. I think you are scum. I agree with the argument. Therefore, I continue to support Vector in his scumhunting. You are obvscum as far as I'm concerned.Well, lets see. WHen the town all get back here in a few hours, lets see how it will be, shall we.
Vector I've got you now, you special-pleading scum. You shall (mis)lead the town no longer.Quote from: Vector's number One reason for gettingthis Orgwagon started?1. Change in behavior (sudden chattiness, which Pandarsenic says is a scumtell for Org. Of course, Pandarsenic was scum at the time, so I don't fully trust this one. Further, Org has been a lot more active in all of his games recently)Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.Extension. Let's hash this thing out and find us some scum, dudes.The town-vector I know is not so nonchalant and casual. Why so not-serious, scum-vector? don't you want to find scum?
Of course I want to find scum. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for an extension.
To address your misconception that town-Vector is always tense, I'm usually tense due to too much insanity IRL. Now that I'm less crazy, I'm much more relaxed.
Ah, I'll explain. These are my reasons for voting Org:
1. Change in behavior (sudden chattiness, which Pandarsenic says is a scumtell for Org. Of course, Pandarsenic was scum at the time, so I don't fully trust this one. Further, Org has been a lot more active in all of his games recently)
2. Jumpiness
3. Contradictory behavior
4. Sudden explosive anger when people vote him (frequently a scumtell)/irrational fear of dying
5. Bandwagoning (might just be an Org thing)
The first and last things were just small warning lights for me. The other 3 are the serious charges.
The first and last things were just small warning lights for me. The other 3 are the serious charges.
You need to think for yourself once. Vector says this, as one of his points:
1. Change in behavior (sudden chattiness, which Pandarsenic says is a scumtell for Org. Of course, Pandarsenic was scum at the time, so I don't fully trust this one. Further, Org has been a lot more active in all of his games recently)
Translation:
I am obvscum or a moron.
Ah, my apologies. unvote, since I was mistaken. On the plus side, it's easy to get Vector to blow up. On the minus side, you order your lists strangely, Vector.The first and last things were just small warning lights for me. The other 3 are the serious charges.
DOES NO ONE READ WHAT I WRITE?
SirBayer seems a little scummy to me, to put it bluntly. It could just be a subconscious OMGUS, so I've been trying to suppress it. I'll elaborate if someone asks me to, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm finding scummy about him.do
Hrrm. This discussion is definitely heating up. At least people are discussing, unlike how last day ended. However, I don't like how this discussion is going.Sir! There seems to be a Fluxuation in the Meter! Oh GOD!
Seems everyone is getting far too worked up about this, and thats not going to help us root out scum. We need to calm down, for now, and really ask questions. Getting worked up will only cause us to mislynch, and give the mafia cover.
Such as, Cobalt, what other reasons than that one slip do you have for considering Vector scum? That hardly seems like a lynchable offense, especially when other members have made themselves less useful, and have more on their record, than him.
Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?
Personally, I think Org's just trying to save his own skin right now, and posting whatever he can. Web, can I get your thoughts on this?
Hrrm. This discussion is definitely heating up. At least people are discussing, unlike how last day ended. However, I don't like how this discussion is going.Sir! There seems to be a Fluxuation in the Meter! Oh GOD!
Seems everyone is getting far too worked up about this, and thats not going to help us root out scum. We need to calm down, for now, and really ask questions. Getting worked up will only cause us to mislynch, and give the mafia cover.
Such as, Cobalt, what other reasons than that one slip do you have for considering Vector scum? That hardly seems like a lynchable offense, especially when other members have made themselves less useful, and have more on their record, than him.
Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?
Personally, I think Org's just trying to save his own skin right now, and posting whatever he can. Web, can I get your thoughts on this?
WOOOP WOOP WOOP
IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DYING WOOP
Note this exchange. He attacks me for 'bandwagoning' on Martyr Syndrome and also tries to deflect suspicion from Org. Org is guilty of the same thing I am, (even moreso, in fact); while my vote was hardly superfluous, Org's did nothing and was a pure bandwagon.Okay, yeah, but you waited until it was clear he wasn't winning this time around.I wouldn't call it bandwagoning, per se. Martyr Syndrome claimed scum and so I voted for him, it's as simple as that. I was completely justified in voting for him. Mostly I wanted to make sure he couldn't pop in and vote Org to tie up the votes, though.I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.
'Scuse me, but am I the only one picking up some bandwagoning here?
Apostolic Nihilist, what say you to that?
Also, Vector - my apologies on missing out on a little bit of time. Real Life interfered.
I am a little disappointed by the lack-of-night-kill. It would be nice if we could find out if we've got a specialist, and if so, what variety, but a role-claim seems useless at this point, really.
Laetificus, do you have any insight you'd like to share? Do you suppose we had a lucky doctor or novice scum?
And I suppose that means I should point an FoS at Org, who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe.
Speak of the devil!From almost anyone's point of view, Org is the one who's going to be lynched today. Even his scumbuddy would notice this. Obviously defending Org would implicate him, so instead he decides to bus.
Anyway, Org, I agree. You're being suspiciously active, even just in this game. This is the highest concentration of posts you've really had the entire time, or from what I've seen. Can't just take that as sudden interest in the game, can we?
Also, anyone up for the discussion of the scum's choice of who to knock off? RedWarrior0 didn't seem like a huge threat to anyone, in my opinion. If memory serves, he wasn't tunneling anyone, and he wasn't really being a problem at all. I wonder if the scum just random-killed.
Huh?Stop snickering.
Oh, you think I'm buddying with tehstefan because I'm supporting his arguments. To be honest, I disagree with you and think your overdefensiveness is wearing.
That said, though, it'd be pretty sad if we were having a 3-4-townie brawl while the scum sat off snickering to themselves.
All right.
Mod, care to prod Laetificus?
Org is guilty of the same thing I am, (even moreso, in fact);Admitting to being scum?
And I suppose that means I should point an FoS at Org, who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe.
"Who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe."Quote from: SirBayerAnd I suppose that means I should point an FoS at Org, who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe.
And... this means nothing to you? So I decided he wasn't as interesting a target, because he wasn't even talking then. At all. So what was the point in bothering him? I pointed that out to someone else already.
And I already answered the question of using other people's arguments. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
I suggest you look through the context once again.Org is guilty of the same thing I am, (even moreso, in fact);Admitting to being scum?
all of the arguments against Org are completely valid.If you think he's scum why aren't you voting for him?
Org is acting extremely scummy; I'm convinced he's scum.
I'm pressuring others right now to find his partner.
Vector on the other hand is Scum. He would have died a while ago if he was not. He is experienced enough to realise that by not killing anyone, he would get rid of most of the suspision upon him. He will probably defend himself by saying the "Docter" which may or may not exist protected him, which I see as rather unlikely. We may not even have a docter, and the scum might just be using a non-existent one to clear themselves of suspision. If we did have a docter, they probaby would have protected CobaltKobold instead of Vector, especialy after Apostolic Nililst came out and said he was the most Pro-Town of all of us.
Right, so I figure I'll try analyzing everyone since I just realized I haven't been contributing much in this mafia. I've organized them into priorities, roughly.His analyses seems quite accurate for me.
Vector - He's helpful and furthermore acting extremely pro-town. This is hardly good, as most people have stopped suspecting him. If he's scum, we're in a bad situation. A really bad situation, in fact. I'm not picking up any scumtells, but we need to watch him. If he isn't dead in a few days, we need to start suspecting him a lot more. He should be one of the scum's first targets.
Laetificus - He's somewhat helpful, but he's not pressing people much. His latest jab at tehstefan was his only such in the game. At the very least, he's not active lurking and most of his posts have content.
CobaltKobold - There is little to say -- he's active and pressing people. He probably has the most posts in this thread, actually, and since he's a new player I sort of doubt he's scum. Most scum would be hesitant to put themselves in the spotlight by making so many posts as they figure the more posts they make, the more people can analyze.
RedWarrior0 - Mostly silent. He seems like he's trying to slide under the radar, but it could just be his lack of posts. At the very least, the posts he makes do contain content, most of the time.
SirBayer - Bragging about how dangerous he'd be as scum?... er, anyways. He seems to not like asking questions and is indeed trying to stop or at least avoid them. He's acting suspicious. It's similar to how I acted when I was extremely new and town, so it could just be that. Either way, he's not helping town much as it stands.
tehstefan - He's out of town, so it's a bit difficult to question him. He's posting a decent amount, but he's levying no hefty suspicions. Altogether he seems to be a bit wishy-washy, but he seems to be improved from Beginner's Mafia 3, which is more than I can say about myself.
Org - Org is Org. Lurk. Lurk. Maybe an active lurk here and there. This means he's a great scum, but it also means he's really not dangerous at all. As long as we aren't stuck with him at Lylo, we can deal with him. At the very least though, we should try and stir him up, which is what I was trying to do earlier. He's also an expert at evading questions it would seem.
Org, tell me: Does SirBayer strike you as particularly scummy? He doesn't seem to care much for questions, which is mostly what this game is based around at this stage. He's trying to reassure us that he's town by reassuring himself that he's answering 'completely honestly'.
He was also grasping at straws to implicate me earlier, though I'm not sure why -- faulty reasoning is often present in scum's accusations.
Let me try to make my logic a bit clearer.
Vector is alive
With all the attention he has been getting, and his "Scumhunting", he should have been targeted.
There could still be a doctor who "Got lucky" on the first day, then "Got lucky" again yesterday but I find that rather unlikely.
The simple fact that you are alive really makes you likely to be scum. You either are extremely lucky about the theoretical doctor, or you are scum. Apostolic Nililist is probably not Scum, all we really have against him is the fact that he was lurking.
Magma, Vector is a useful townie.Oh gods stop buddying on me Apostolic Nihilist. All of your arguments apply equally well to Vector as to me except that you decided to go "Hey let's get on this newer CK's side".
The only reason the Mafia would leave him alive would be if they thought they could convince town to lynch him.
There are a few reasons why I suspect Vector more than you.Magma, Vector is a useful townie.Oh gods stop buddying on me Apostolic Nihilist. All of your arguments apply equally well to Vector as to me except that you decided to go "Hey let's get on this newer CK's side".
The only reason the Mafia would leave him alive would be if they thought they could convince town to lynch him.
What do you have for me? "CK is scumhunting and being extremely protown. Therefore he is town."
what do you have against Vector? "Vector is scumhunting and being extremely protown. Therefore he is scum."
I have been after you all game, Apostolic Nihilist. You are digging your grave.
Object to day ending
Magma, Vector is a useful townie.Just be careful of this statement. You're doubting yourself, which is a bad thing.
The only reason the Mafia would leave him alive would be if they thought they could convince town to lynch him.
I want to know if Vector is town or scum, but drawing attention to him is not the way to do it. If he continues being pro-town and no one is accusing him AND he isn't nightkilled, then yeah, he's definitely scum.
If town is conflicted and people are voting for him, he'll be left alive just for the WIFOM potential.
Right now you aren't helping things by spreading around WIFOM based around who the mafia targeted.
There's a good deal to be found, sometimes, but more often their targets are designed JUST to make us ask these questions that'll get us stuck in an endless loop of logic.
"Vector isn't dead and thus is mafia... unless that's what they want us to think!"
This is (mylo?), and we seriously can't have this sort of stuff messing with us.
People's judgment can easily be compromised and a mislynch at this stage will lose the game for us.
Vote No Lynch.
(At least statistically, our chances of hitting scum are higher.)
I suspect I am going to be killed tonight.
Sure...I suspect I am going to be killed tonight.
LeGasp! You're not dead. You must be scum!
Mmkay. Magmadeath, you're scum.There was a doctor, I knew there was a doctor. Because I WAS the doctor. Vector should have been dead. I never protected him, and that means the mafia never targeted him.
Why, you ask?
Well, you put into quotes the "doctor." Supposed doctor. I think there's a doctor. Nobody's claimed cop, and nobody's randomly yelled about scum who flipped cop. We still have a power-role, and I think it's a doctor. I think you know that it's a doctor, and I think you're irritated you haven't been able to get kills. Well, not you. Laetificious would have been the angry one. But anyway, I think there's some claim to the idea that Vector should be dead... but isn't. Clever redirect by scum - namely, Magma.
With CobaltKobold dead, I can say with almost 100% certainty that Magma is scum. This is what I wanted to say yesterday, but I held it in.It is because when I protected him, No one died. Me coming out and saying this though probably doomed him, as the mafia roleblocker must have roleblocked me so I could not have save him.
Look at who CobaltKobold was pointing toward before his death: me.
Coincidentally, Magma predicted that CobaltKobold was town, moments before his death.
Do you know why? Because Magma knew that CobaltKobold was town... because he's scum.
Calling out a townie, agreeing with them, and most of all, saying that they're town -- these all build trust.I called him out because I honestly expected to die that night. I was trying to make sure he had some proof He was town, so you two couldn't just push the whole town into lynching him. But apparently you and your scumbuddy thought up this clever plan to get the town to lynch me, and eliminate the one who was right to suspect you in the first place. Since you have a role blocker, I'm just another townie to you since you identified me.
After they actually flip town, at first glance you might be convinced that Magma is more town-like.
"That guy predicted that CK would be town! He was right! Maan, we should listen to him!"
It sounds ridiculous, but it's a common strategy by newbie scum.
Looking at the way things went though, seems like that backfired on him.
I just seriously hope that my reasoning isn't being manipulated by !!clever scum!! again like in BM3.Now that was a nice touch, but really You are Scum
Altogether, he's been acting remarkably town-like, but it's only in moderation.
I am leaning towards an Apostolic Nihilist and Vector scumteam, They were laying suspision onto each other, while voting for other players.
All right. We've got two doctor claims, so at least one must be fake. Therefore:AN is scum, because he claimed doctor. I know he is not the doctor and therefore must either be an extremely stupid townie, Or scum.
1. MagmaDeath, now that you've decided AN is scum, do you have any of your own reasoning to share? One of the main reasons why I've been thinking you're a scumbucket is because you piggyback on others' thoughts all the time. If you have some reasons why you think AN and I are scum other than "I say! That one says he's the doctor and that one's not dead," I'd like to hear them.
4.I am leaning towards an Apostolic Nihilist and Vector scumteam, They were laying suspision onto each other, while voting for other players.
Just a sidenote--your reasoning is full of shit (at least with respect to me. I'm not saying anything for AN). Did you not notice that I've constantly been questioning and yelling at people I wasn't voting for? That doesn't mean I'm scumbuddies with everyone I happen to have not voted.
Huh, Why don't we lynch AN today, Since he is definetly Scum.Spoiler: Crazy theory (click to show/hide)
That said, though, whether or not MagmaDeath and Apostolic Nihilist are the scumteam, MagmaDeath is scum. He dies today.
Yeah.
I vote to End day early
Hopefully that will mean, of course, that my absence from friday to at least sunday will not be as keenly felt. Warning you all.
Well.All right. We've got two doctor claims, so at least one must be fake. Therefore:AN is scum, because he claimed doctor. I know he is not the doctor and therefore must either be an extremely stupid townie, Or scum.
1. MagmaDeath, now that you've decided AN is scum, do you have any of your own reasoning to share? One of the main reasons why I've been thinking you're a scumbucket is because you piggyback on others' thoughts all the time. If you have some reasons why you think AN and I are scum other than "I say! That one says he's the doctor and that one's not dead," I'd like to hear them.
Vector on the other hand I suspect of being Scum. The fact he was never targeted by the mafia makes him either someone they want to get lynched.
4.I am leaning towards an Apostolic Nihilist and Vector scumteam, They were laying suspision onto each other, while voting for other players.
Just a sidenote--your reasoning is full of shit (at least with respect to me. I'm not saying anything for AN). Did you not notice that I've constantly been questioning and yelling at people I wasn't voting for? That doesn't mean I'm scumbuddies with everyone I happen to have not voted.
Well, The Mafia could have been setting you up to be lynched, Or you are scum. AN is scum, So I'm sticking you two together.
I am not Scum and if I get lynched, that's the game. The Mafia win.
Vector Could be scum.
AN is Scum, so lynch him, and we will not lose.
Furthermore, I've never intended to bandwagon. I generally have this thing called "real life" that causes me to have to evaluate things later into the days, after people have started talking. Coincidental but unfortunate. I suppose I also lack proper Mafia mindset, but I'm working on that.
4.I am leaning towards an Apostolic Nihilist and Vector scumteam, They were laying suspision onto each other, while voting for other players.
Just a sidenote--your reasoning is full of shit (at least with respect to me. I'm not saying anything for AN). Did you not notice that I've constantly been questioning and yelling at people I wasn't voting for? That doesn't mean I'm scumbuddies with everyone I happen to have not voted.
Well, The Mafia could have been setting you up to be lynched, Or you are scum. AN is scum, So I'm sticking you two together.
Because of course SirBayer and tehstefan can't be scum?They COULD be scum, But I don't suspect them as much as I suspect you. It might just be because you seem way too agressive to me, but I have a bad feeling about you.
I think I'll add "Knows too much about alignments" to our friendly list. Wow, it's getting pretty long!
No, this lynch won't win us the game, But If you mislynch me, We'll lose.I am not Scum and if I get lynched, that's the game. The Mafia win.
Vector Could be scum.
AN is Scum, so lynch him, and we will not lose.
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And another major scumtell: you're acting like one lynch will win you the game. Only scum think like that.
Hence:Yeah, Around half of those are also Doctor tell.Spoiler: A new and expanded Scumtell-Mart is opening near you!! (click to show/hide)
I'm keeping my vote on you. It really, really sucks if I'm wrong about you, but I just don't buy this.Yes, It does suck that you are wrong.
They COULD be scum, But I don't suspect them as much as I suspect you. It might just be because you seem way too agressive to me, but I have a bad feeling about you.
Hence:Yeah, Around half of those are also Doctor tell.Spoiler: A new and expanded Scumtell-Mart is opening near you!! (click to show/hide)
Well, here's part one.Yes, it will.
Seems there are two veins of thought right now.
One, AN is the doctor, Magma is scum.
I can't fully say I subscribe to this point of view, but I agree with this view more than the latter. AN gave a good detailed report, but a few parts of it seem to stand out to me. He seemed to contradict himself, saying that he was acting very townlike, but in the next paragraph, says that he thought he was scum from before. Perhaps its the wording, and he meant the kill, prompting me to ask him
Was your quote about him being scum based on the nightkill, or prior experience?
Or, Magma is doctor, and AN is scum.
This whole story rides on a tell, that I don't like. He says that he was role blocked, so they could kill Cobalt. My problem, is that he seems to only suspect this. If my mafia fu is right, you get a distinct message as the doctor if you are role blocked, and even more so, I believe the mafia would have targeted the doctor far more than they would have targeted Cobalt. Cobalt could be protected, the doctor can't be. So, a safe kill, which brings them to lylo, instead of a risky chance. So, thats what I consider faulty scum reasoning.
I'm not yet ready to vote, we have a whole other day left, even though towns already in agreement, but it'll take some serious work to get you out of this hole Magma.
Well, here's part one.It was based on the nightkill. I was going to suggest that MagmaDeath would be scum if CK died, but obviously saying that would let scum NK CK and mess up with my theory.
Seems there are two veins of thought right now.
One, AN is the doctor, Magma is scum.
I can't fully say I subscribe to this point of view, but I agree with this view more than the latter. AN gave a good detailed report, but a few parts of it seem to stand out to me. He seemed to contradict himself, saying that he was acting very townlike, but in the next paragraph, says that he thought he was scum from before. Perhaps its the wording, and he meant the kill, prompting me to ask him
Was your quote about him being scum based on the nightkill, or prior experience?
tehstefan's, "it'll take some serious work to get you out of this hole Magma." seems like buddying, but it doesn't make sense for scum to do that, so I really don't understand. Assuming tehstefan is Magma's scumbuddy then this sentence will just implicate him when Magma flips town. It's either spreading WIFOM or it's a genuine observation.
Blah...
I knew this, I Knew you two were scum...
Scum should NEVER ask for a day shortening, dood. ._. Why would you even... ugh.I can see a lot of RiA coming from this :P.
I suppose it ultimately became three good players (pandarsenic was ICing scum) against the town, and webadict's influence just wasn't enough...
So yeah, well done scum.
Incidentally:QuoteScum should NEVER ask for a day shortening, dood. ._. Why would you even... ugh.I can see a lot of RiA coming from this :P.
When I'm watchful for it, I still spot scum with it. It's not a "OMG LYNCH!" style scumtell, but when a bandwagon forms and you don't like the target, it's a great tool to make a first strike.I'm now trying to imagine the alternative where placing the third vote is a lynchable offence. Of course, remember what would happen when you try to lynch the 3rd voter :P.
Two games where I'm considered a Threat with a capital T. Hmm.
wait wait
did I see in that scumchat that I'm an "experienced player"? ;D
And the problem with threat kills is aptly demonstrated by the doctor's pick here-3/4 correct doc picks seems like it should be a record.
in re that: I think mafia is an absolutely horrid place to learn them, as friendliness is supposed to be a scumtell, you're supposed to scan people for inconsistencies, jump on them when they do.
Also, it was Apostolic Nihilist who was calling me experienced, I think you only called me "dangerous".
Yeah... if I were playing, I'd've lynched Vector when I could. I mean... really? He was the most experienced player! He pulled my stunt from the game before!I suppose it ultimately became three good players (pandarsenic was ICing scum) against the town, and webadict's influence just wasn't enough...
So yeah, well done scum.
Incidentally:QuoteScum should NEVER ask for a day shortening, dood. ._. Why would you even... ugh.I can see a lot of RiA coming from this :P.
I think it hurt a lot that Webadict became computer-less in the middle of the game, and that the town was pretty much left with me "ICing." Except for the fact that as I told them how to kill me, I was also convincing them to kill each other.
That entire game was an experiment in Refuge in Audacity, to be honest >_>
Heh. I swear, if I've learned one thing from my games, its to lynch the most experienced player no questions asked. I mean, twice? Come on!
I wish I could give a deep analysis of everyone's play. I did that back in BM 2 and people loved it.Dakariaaaaaan
I figured out my worst mistake in this game while I was in class, actually. The one time I attacked Vector, he grew uneasy, and self-meta'd to get out of it, and I accepted it.
I think I'd laugh/cry if it turned out to be me that the (alleged) doctor protected.
why is my boyfriend being such a ditz...
N1:*snicker*
CobaltKobold Protected