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Title: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 11:20:52 am
Welcome to Ganadstot - More infamously known as "Specialsurprise", where dwarves go in, but no one comes out. 

This will be an experiment and challenge to have one person - Doktor Logem Lokumlektad - reach Legendary in all five of the Medical skills, using immigrants as subjects.  This challenge is mainly to see how long - and how many dwarves - it will take to do this, so I can successfully do so with Morul II, The Even More Most Interesting Dwarf In The World, who is currently on Break.

My plan is to have three separated forts - One being the hospital, one being where the "Subjects" will reside, and the last one is where the Assistants will produce food, alcohol, and medical supplies for the other two forts.  Each will be separate to keep the experiment uncontaminated - aka to avoid tantrum spirals.

First, we have the fort where the Subjects reside.  This is an above ground fort large enough to house 100 Subjects at any given time.  Each Subject will have a small, and not very comfortable room to his or herself.  They will be isolated from one another completely, with the sole exception of sharing a food storage area.  They will lounge about in their rooms otherwise, until called for testing.   A hole from the second story will be connected to the supply fort for the dumping of food and alcohol.

The Hospital will be located 10 Z-levels below the ground, at the base of the testing tower.  The testing tower is a simple tower starting 10 z-levels beneath the ground and ending 10 z-levels above the surface.  Every level contains a single retracting bridge, to allow variable testing heights.  The controls for the bridges are situated in the supply fort.  Down in the hospital proper will be a food storage area, a small dining room, three bedrooms to be used by Doktor Logum and his two Nurses, and a well.  Food, alcohol, and medical supplies will be dropped via a chute from the supply fort.  All test subjects who survive and are healed will be either sent back to their rooms to recuperate or sent back up to the testing facility.

The supply fort will be a simple fort with the facilities to supply and maintain the fort as a whole. 

Construction of the testing facility is still underway, but once it's finished, I will be changing the maximum population back up and begin the experiment.
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Portrait of the Medical Team, including Dr. Logum, Nurse Helene (Left), Nurse Emma (Right).  Nurse Helene's two children are not present.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks to Axedwarf for the amazing drawing!

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Testing has commenced and is well under way - all journal entries can be found below.

Journal Entry #1:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2616845#msg2616845 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2616845#msg2616845)
Journal Entry #2:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2617902#msg2617902 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2617902#msg2617902)
Journal Entry #3:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2618042#msg2618042 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2618042#msg2618042)
Journal Entry #4:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2621319#msg2621319 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2621319#msg2621319)
Journal Entry #5:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2621714#msg2621714 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2621714#msg2621714)
Journal Entry #6:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2629288#msg2629288 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93256.msg2629288#msg2629288)


Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 16, 2011, 11:23:59 am
Cool, please do your best to make the surgeries as wild as possible, with the most life threatening injuries.  PLEASE do some, "scalpel, nurse." sort of conversation during the surgeries.  If you get a forgotten beast with a syndrome that spreads virulently, have Dr. Logem, that sounds so awesome, do some awesome vivisection to their lungs or something. 

This will be the first official Dwarven Hospital drama. 
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Neyvn on September 16, 2011, 11:31:15 am
PLEASE do some, "scalpel, nurse."
Yech, Don't you mean, "Nurse, Scalpel." Cause scalpel nurse sounds like bloodshed with a missing "the". But then again...
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: malvado on September 16, 2011, 11:32:09 am
Btw , can you check if any dwarfs with broken ears and fixed in a traction bench will eventually heal?
I think there's a few bugs in the current medical proffesion so it would be very interesting if you can keep track of the wounds being treated as well.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 11:44:21 am
I'll try that, aye.   I'm only going to be using the testing tower for all injuries, but I'll write down each and every test subject, their wounds, and if they recover or how they recover. 

Sadly, that means no FUN with forgotten beast syndromes.. I'll probably look into that after I finish the challenge though.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Mister Always on September 16, 2011, 12:17:03 pm
You should let the subjects mingle, really. A tantrum spiral will provide you with lots of fresh wounded.

It'd also make their worthless lives just a bit more miserable, which is really just what they deserve.

"Ach Urist, I love ye so."
"Aye, ah love ye as well, Bim."
"Let's get married."
"Right aft'r ah report t' th' Bridge Of Quite Probable Splattery Death, my love."
"Make haste!"

Six seasons later he gets out of the hospital. And he's a quadraplegic. Also, quite possibly retarded from brain damage.

(Yes, I hate useless migrants - can you tell?)

On that subject - what happens to Subjects who're too infirmed to ever walk again and will spend the rest of their lives in the hospital?
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 12:52:21 pm
Um.. well.. thats interesting.  An Elf merchant and his donkey went insane for.. no reason.  They just stood outside for ages until they both went nuts, the elf going melancholy and the donkey going berserk.  The donkey then killed my weaver.  I'm busy building the outer fort for the Subjects..

Now the donkey is chasing a giant moose around my map..
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: elf-fondling human on September 16, 2011, 01:02:20 pm
On that subject - what happens to Subjects who're too infirmed to ever walk again and will spend the rest of their lives in the hospital?

I once had a fort, in my earlier years, where a little girl was (I like to think) almost mortally wounded, and spend the rest of her childhood in my hospital. She had plenty of visitors, sure, but I like to think that she was crying on the inside, longing for the world outside of her sick bed. Not outside - outside, mind you, just to leave the room at least once. Then my fort got slaughtered because I was still too wet behind the ears to build up defenses. The good news was that she was one of the last to die. The bad news is that she suffocated (iirc), so her end was slow and painful...

Um.. well.. thats interesting.  An Elf merchant and his donkey went insane for.. no reason.  They just stood outside for ages until they both went nuts, the elf going melancholy and the donkey going berserk.  The donkey then killed my weaver.  I'm busy building the outer fort for the Subjects..

Now the donkey is chasing a giant moose around my map..

Well, after a while, merchants tend to do that. The cool part about it is that any military escorts that they brought along instantly turn on the berserkers, putting them out of everyone's misery.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 01:17:25 pm
The donkey killed his elf, killed my weaver, then chased the moose around until mid summer, when the moose ran into my fort, donkey trailing it, where the donkey killed the moose (note, this is a GIANT moose), a dwarven child, and three of my militia before we could kill it, and thus began a tantrum spiral that caused me to have to save scum.  :|

I hate elves, and their super-donkeys.  This one had a nice little title going for it.. not sure what it was though, as I save scummed.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Oliolli on September 16, 2011, 01:50:04 pm
Danger room may also help with getting injuries, if the bridges are not enough. (They can also help make your militia effective donkey-killing machines, to avoid that from happening again.)
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 03:05:42 pm
Alright guys, testing will soon commence.  Everything is in place except for coffins and traction benches, which brings me to a small question:

Do traction benches need to be next to a bed? Table? Both? I've never really used 'em before.


Edit: Nvm, it seems you don't need beds or tables next to 'em, according to the Wiki.. I think.  Easily changed if I'm wrong.

And with that, Let the experiment, commence!
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Mr.Elendig on September 16, 2011, 03:29:49 pm
nope, but it makes job cancelation less likely which helps.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on September 16, 2011, 03:36:32 pm
I place a bed inbetween a table and a traction bench.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 04:38:41 pm
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

Finally, work may begin at last.  It is year 11, Mid Spring.  The first batch of test subjects arrived.  Seventeen in all.  All lured here by the promise of easy work and free alcohol.  It wasn't even a lie.  All they must do is wait where they're told, go stand where they're told, and fall when they're told.  Those who succeed get to test another day.  Those who don't? Well, lets say they've contributed greatly to science, and will be remembered here in this journal. 

For the first five tests, we'll be testing the average survivability of five randomly chosen subjects dropped from extreme heights.  Tests will be performed at twenty stories, and decreasing one story each time until the sixteenth story.


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Subject 1:  Female, roughly 63 years old, good physical condition.

Test: Twenty Level Drop.

Results: Upon landing, the subject's head, arms, and legs were severed from the main body from the blunt trauma.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Not suprising.  I would've been in disbelief if subject survived, even barely. 


Subject 2:   Female, roughly 64 years old, small body
Subject 2.5: Female Puppy, Subject 2's pet
Subject 2.75:   Female Kitten, Subject 2's pet

Test: Nineteen Level Drop

Results: Upon landing, subject two's head and limbs were separated from the main body and landed a short distance away.  Subject 2.5 achieved similar results.  Subject 2.75 either evaded testing, despite being on the platform at launch. or landed on it's feet, completely unharmed. Was spotted in hospital shortly afterward.  Subject 2 and 2.5 did not survive.

Notes: Subject 2.5 and Subject 2.75 joined their master on the launch pad.  As such, they were included in the testing, and I believe their presence did not contaminate the results.  Subject 2.75 is a curious one, however, as it was present at the launch pad at launch, but did not appear to fall with the other subjects.  I am curious if the creature simply moved to the staircase just before launch, and made it down to the landing pad in time to watch it's master land, or that it did in fact fall, but survived.  I was more focused on Subject 2 at the time.  A mistake on my part.  The nurses didn't see what happened to Subject 2.75 either.  Perhaps it will adopt another subject and join them for another test.


Subject 3: Female, approx. 77 years, short and fat

Test: Eighteen Level Drop

Results: Similar results, with the exceptions of the head and left leg not severing from the main body upon landing.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Subjects head and left leg were still attached, though horribly disfigured.  Head caved in, and the leg was bent at an unhealthy angle.  Not like it mattered much, as it was probably from the flailing the subject did while traveling to the landing pad.  This one was particularly loud on the way down.


Subject 4: Female, approx. 62 years, thin, but but muscly

Test: Seventeen Level Drop

Results: Complete severing of all limbs, including the head, upon impact.  Right arm landed on the other side of the landing zone.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Landed with a particularly loud crunch.  I believe this was due to the above-average weight and density of the subject. 


Subject 5: Female, approx. 87 years, very fat
Test: Sixteen Level Drop

Results: Similar results.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Nothing special with this test.  Expected results.

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I will begin the second phase of testing soon, once the nurses clean up the landing pad.  Until then, I will have myself a nice Cave Wheat Flour Roast with a glass of Rum.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Mister Always on September 16, 2011, 05:54:41 pm
Assessment: Results haven't been terribly promising so far.

Query: What is done with testing waste? Hygiene must be taken into account. Building coffins costly endeavour - consider burning remains.

Suggestion: Consider dropping the next subject from 15 levels. Results may be more promising (or at least less messy).

Suggestion: Food - doctor and nurses' health should be put above those of the subjects'. Sub-par food goes to subjects, quality food intended for medical staff.

Suggestion: Vermin - acceptable food source in times of scarcity. Less fat = less mess during surgery, besides.

Suggestion: Experiment - drop subject on a second subject (standing in the landing zone) from 20 stories up. Document wounds of both subjects.

Suggestion: Cat - after determining survivable fall height for dwarf subject, try to determine if small animals survive from higher altitudes. (This suggestion is mostly for my own amusement, I'll admit - will leave more vermin for subjects to eat, though.)

Comment: Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 16, 2011, 05:58:35 pm
Suggestion: Experiment - drop subject on a second subject (standing in the landing zone) from 20 stories up. Document wounds of both subjects.
Both will be stunned, but unharmed.

Sad, I know.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 16, 2011, 06:08:17 pm
Assessment: Results haven't been terribly promising so far.

Query: What is done with testing waste? Hygiene must be taken into account. Building coffins costly endeavour - consider burning remains.

Suggestion: Consider dropping the next subject from 15 levels. Results may be more promising (or at least less messy).

Suggestion: Food - doctor and nurses' health should be put above those of the subjects'. Sub-par food goes to subjects, quality food intended for medical staff.

Suggestion: Vermin - acceptable food source in times of scarcity. Less fat = less mess during surgery, besides.

Suggestion: Experiment - drop subject on a second subject (standing in the landing zone) from 20 stories up. Document wounds of both subjects.

Suggestion: Cat - after determining survivable fall height for dwarf subject, try to determine if small animals survive from higher altitudes. (This suggestion is mostly for my own amusement, I'll admit - will leave more vermin for subjects to eat, though.)

Comment: Keep up the good work.

Testing waste is being tossed in a communal burial by the nurses.  Clothes are also dumped, and blood is cleaned up.

The food is higher quality for the doctor and nurses - the subjects get uncooked plump helmets and wine, with the odd bit of ale thrown in accidently. 

That damned cat is killing all the vermin in sight, and it grew up to become an adult cat after Subject 3's fall.

The second phase of testing will be posted tomorrow sometime.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 16, 2011, 07:39:48 pm
This.
Is.
AWESOME!

Maybe once you get your doc leveled some, you can test the skills needed for treating a magma victim?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Mitchewawa on September 16, 2011, 11:18:03 pm
Perhaps at the bottom of the pit you could engrave onto the floor,

"This is the special surprise..."

This sombre phrase would be the last thing to go through the dwarf's head. Both figuratively and literally.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Kofthefens on September 16, 2011, 11:39:33 pm
Um.. well.. thats interesting.  An Elf merchant and his donkey went insane for.. no reason.  They just stood outside for ages until they both went nuts, the elf going melancholy and the donkey going berserk.  The donkey then killed my weaver. 
Now the donkey is chasing a giant moose around my map..

I once had a donkey go beserk. It killed my military and the caravan guards. It got to be a Legendary Fighter/Biter/Kicker.

Your Fortress has crumbled to it's end. Because of a donkey.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: ulan on September 17, 2011, 02:09:11 am


On that subject - what happens to Subjects who're too infirmed to ever walk again and will spend the rest of their lives in the hospital?

Johnny Dwarf got his axe, anyone?
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Boost One on September 17, 2011, 04:36:02 am
I hate elves, and their super-donkeys.  This one had a nice little title going for it.. not sure what it was though, as I save scummed.

Just had this happen to me a week ago. The donkey killed my only squad of dwarves before murdering 20 civilians. I only brought it down with three suicide squads led by the Mayor. I swear, these donkeys... I mean, we know the elves have a giant animal breeding program, and I think these donkeys must be, like, miniaturised giant donkeys or something.

The elves named the donkey and I checked the translation. Its name meant "Whitelash Daub Twist". So not only was it a berserk miniaturised giant donkey, it was a racist berserk miniaturised giant donkey. Damned Elves, always trying to keep the short guy down.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: peri609667 on September 17, 2011, 05:34:54 am
The donkey killed his elf, killed my weaver, then chased the moose around until mid summer, when the moose ran into my fort, donkey trailing it, where the donkey killed the moose (note, this is a GIANT moose), a dwarven child, and three of my militia before we could kill it, and thus began a tantrum spiral that caused me to have to save scum.  :|

I hate elves, and their super-donkeys.  This one had a nice little title going for it.. not sure what it was though, as I save scummed.
Sig'd.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 06:21:56 am
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

A second wave of test subjects arrived, 8 in total.  We are now up to 24 test subjects, with more probably on the way in the coming months. 

The second phase of testing will commence with five more randomly chosen subjects to be dropped at varying heights beginning at one story.  After each test, the subject will be sent back up one story higher until the subject expires or it has been deemed that the test is over.


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Subject 6: Male, approx. 65 years, average

Test: 1 + 2 story drop

Results (1 Story): No injuries, slightly stunned upon impact. 

Results (2 Stories): Lower & Upper Right Arm & Elbow are broken + bruised , Lower & Upper Right leg is broken + bruised, Right upper body + Right Lung are bruised.  No external bleeding.  Subject is in extreme pain. 
 
Treatment:   Lower arm + elbow require surgery, everything requires cleaning, sutures, setting, & immobilization.    Subject is infected in four places.  Testing will be delayed on Subject 6 until fractures have healed.

Notes: Oddly, the subject is ecstatic even after its two story fall.  It seems as if it enjoyed the company of my two nurses who fed it and carried it to the treatment room.  With four splints and its right limbs wrapped in bandages, its a wonder it can still walk even without the aid of a crutch.  There seem to be no lasting, visible scars, and its bruises, including that to its lung, healed up rather quickly.  If it survives the month, what with its arm and leg being infected, I will give the subject another check up and send it to try a drop from three stories.


Subject 7: Male, approx. 54 years, highly muscular

Test: 1 + 2 story drop

Results (1 story): No injuries, stunned upon impact.  Swore loudly.  Fell asleep afterward.

Results (2 stories):   Right Upper & Lower arm is bruised and broken.  Right shoulder is broken.  Left Lower leg is bruised and broken.  Right lung is bruised.

Treatment: Requires dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization for limbs.  Surgery is needed for the right shoulder and right upper arm.  Shoulder became infected.  Testing will be delayed until the subject has healed.

Notes: Subject 7, had an interesting combination of fractures.  It seemed as when it was falling it attempted to land using its right arm and left leg to land, causing its resulting fractures. 
 

Subject 8: Female, approx. 51 years, average size

Test: 1 + 2 story drop

Results (1 story): No injuries, was stunned at impact.

Results (2 stories):   Subject landed on her head.  All limbs are attached to the body.  Body and limbs are also oozing blood, as was blood splattered on the floor and wall upon impact.   Subject did not survive.

Notes: A minor fluke in the experiment, when the subject does a flip at such a short distance and attempts to land using its head.    


Subject 9: Female, approx. 55 years, thin

Test: 1 + 2 story drop

Results (1 story): No injuries upon landing.  Looked scared as it was lead up to the second test.

Results (2 stories): Upper Right Leg Broken, Lower Left Leg broken, Upper Left Arm broken, Lower Spine broken.  Extreme Pain.

Treatment: Dressing, Suturing, Setting, and immobilization for all injuries.

Notes: A curious one, this one apparently had some doctoral experience in its previous career field.  After landing, it screamed about its spine and did an accurate diagnosis of its own injuries.  Then it passed out from the pain.  It is highly unlikely that Subject 9 will ever be able to walk again.  Time will tell.   

After treatment, Subject 9 crawled her way back to her room, moaning about pain and lasting injuries. Further testing will commence after a period of time to allow injuries to heal.



Subject 10: Female, approx 85 years, extremely muscular

Test: 1 + 2 story drop

Results (1 story): Landed on her feet with a thud, was stunned like that for a moment.  Proceeded with next test immediately.

Results (2 stories):   Left Lower Leg bruised + broken, Right Hand bruised + broken, Left foot broken, Right food bruised, Left Lower Arm bruised + broken.

Treatment: Dressing, Suturing, Setting, Immobilization for all injuries.  Left Foot requires Traction for overlapping fractures.   

Notes: Will finish treating the patient once I'm done with this Break.  And taking a nap on a bed next to the patient.

Patient is resting in traction now, once finished, a crutch will be given and it'll be sent off to recuperate.


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And so ends the second phase of testing.  Only one casualty this time, with the other four subjects receiving interesting, albeit curable, injuries.

As for the subject's quarters, a still has been constructed for them to make their own alcohol.  It was deemed by the supply fort that it was too difficult to supply nearly 50 test subjects with alcohol using the current process, as more testees arrived. Therefore, all subjects will gather plants and brew their own alcohol, recycling the current number of pots and barrels they have on hand.  The hospital will still be supplied by the supply fort, of course.

The third phase of testing will see a return similar to the first phase, where subjects will be dropped from extreme heights.  Subject 2.75 has adopted a new test subject, and both will be in the first test.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 06:28:01 am
Perhaps at the bottom of the pit you could engrave onto the floor,

"This is the special surprise..."

This sombre phrase would be the last thing to go through the dwarf's head. Both figuratively and literally.

I like this idea.. I'll make some of the surviving test subjects engrave the landing pad.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: peri609667 on September 17, 2011, 06:36:13 am
Screenshots?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: ZeroSumHappiness on September 17, 2011, 06:36:39 am
Urist McTestSubject admired a masterfully engraved floor.  Urist McTestSubject was showered by his own giblets today.  Urist McTestSubject has died.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Boost One on September 17, 2011, 06:38:20 am
Engraved on the floor is an exceptionally designed image of Test Subject 5 the dwarf and Doktor Logem Lokumlektad the dwarf. Test Subject 5 is falling. Doktor Logem Lokumlektad is laughing. Test Subject 5 looks surprised. The image relates to !!SCIENCE!! in Ganadstot in the mid spring of 261.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 06:47:34 am
"The Fins of Corrupting"

(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/618/engraving.jpg)

The only interesting engraving there was..

Screenshots?

There isnt' really much to show.. the fortress isn't all that fancy XD But I suppose I can screenshot some of the more interesting injuries, once I see some.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: peri609667 on September 17, 2011, 07:53:18 am
I'm mostly interested in your "test tower". A few screens of the forts would be good too. It helps to visualize the story 8)
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Oliolli on September 17, 2011, 07:58:13 am
How does Doktor Logum like oysters? Was the engraving a subjects revenge at him?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 08:02:50 am
Apparently he doesn't like oysters AT ALL. 

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3666/doktor.jpg)

I'll get screenshots of the fort soon
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 17, 2011, 08:05:15 am
He seems like a very strong, medically trained, sociopath. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Oliolli on September 17, 2011, 08:12:29 am
At least he likes working with people...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 08:27:52 am
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

It has been a few months since the second phase of testing ended.  A very large concentration of test subjects arrived, twenty in total.  At this rate, we will have a difficult time housing them all. 

Subjects 6, 7, and 9 have healed quite admirably.  Subject 9 is, and forever will be, unable to walk.  It crawls along the ground, mumbling about unsafe medical practices.  I'll have to use this one in the next phase of testing, lest it attempt to stir up trouble with the other test subjects.  Subjects 6 and 7 have been rather content lately, not worried about their future testing.  Subject 10 is still in traction.

For the third phase of testing we will return to the dropping of subjects from extreme heights, starting at fifteen stories.


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Subject 11: Male, approx 63 years, very muscular and thin
Subject 11.5: Female Lamb, Pet of Subject 11

Test: Fifteen story drop

Results: Subject 11's limbs were severed from the torso upon impact.  Subject 11.5 was able to evade testing by leaping from the launch pad at launch, landing on the stairwell.  Subject 11 did not survive.

Notes: Launch pad contains a flaw in it's design that allows certain test subjects, namely the pets of test subjects, to escape testing.  Likely the same thing occurred with Subject 2.75.

Subject 11 landed on the engraving of an engraving of our government's symbol, a pipe section.  Perhaps some of the more superstitious test subjects can find some meaning in this. 



Subject 12: Male, approx. 71 years, corpulent
Subject 2.75: Female Cat, Subject 2 + 12's pet

Test: Fourteen Story Drop

Results: Similar results as subject 11.  Subject 2.75 again evaded testing, despite being on the launch pad at launch.  Subject 12 did not survive.

Notes: Subject 2.75 is a tough one to test.  This is the second time it's evaded testing.  We'll see if it adopts yet another test subject.


Subject 13: Male, approx. 52 years, poorly muscled

Test: Thirteen Story Drop

Results: Dismemberment upon impact.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: One odd thing about this test is that one of Subject 13's legs landed a story above where the landing pad, on the stairwell, which is on the opposite side of the landing pad.  How this happened is a mystery.


Subject 14: Male, approx. 87 years, fat – also to note, apparently quite durable
Subject 14.5: Female Bunny, Subject 14's pet

Test: Twelve Story Drop

Results: Both Subject 14 and Subject 14.5 were dismembered upon landing, their limbs covering the floor around where they landed.  Subjects did not survive.

Notes: Subject 9 somehow got down here during the experiment and saw the entire thing happen.  More and more I believe this one is looking for a way to either contaminate the experiment or usurp my role as chief medical officer of the fortress.  The next testing phase will see Subject 9, along with Subjects 6, 7, and 10, dropped from three or more stories. 


Subject 15: Male, approx. 75 years, incredibly skinny

Test: Eleven Story Drop

Results: Instantaneous death upon landing.  Subject lost all limbs except for the right leg.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Subject 11.5 has been loitering at the landing pad, ever since it's master died.  Subject 15 nearly landed on it this time.

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And so ends the third phase of testing.  Less for me to do than during the second phase, but no less entertaining scientific. Subject 9 will have an eye kept on it at all times as it crawls around due to the spine injury. Subject 10 seems to be fully healed, but stuck in traction.  I should probably let it out soon.

One of the nurses has had a pair of children running around, three and four years old.  I'm not entirely sure where they came from, but they've been assisting us by picking up odd pieces of clothing and taking them to their mother's room.  Occasionally they'd play in the puddles on the landing pad, when testing is not going on.  Then they'd proceed to mess up my well by cleaning themselves. 

Phase four of testing will commence in the coming months.  We will return to subjects 6, 7, 9, and 10, along with a randomly chosen fifth subject.  Each will be dropped from three stories. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 17, 2011, 08:33:47 am
Island of Dr. Moreau, anyone?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 17, 2011, 01:07:38 pm
Island of Dr. Moreau, anyone?
With less surgery, more tape!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Kofthefens on September 17, 2011, 02:01:42 pm
At least he likes working with on people...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 02:38:30 pm
Heres a pair of screenshots of the fortress - its not fancy XD

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5587/hospitol.jpg)
The hospital

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4185/testsubjectfort.jpg)
The subject's quarters
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: DrKillPatient on September 17, 2011, 02:46:01 pm
Ah, finally, a dwarf I can identify with! This test is excellent!
I have a request: try to test whether a fall can dismember without instantaneous death.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 02:50:37 pm
I'll probably be getting around to that eventually.. I want to find the maximum height a dwarf can survive, even if they die minutes later.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 17, 2011, 09:34:00 pm
I remember reading somewhere that falls of 10+ z-levels remove the living tag or somesuch from a falling critter, but that seems suspect. Seems like a nice, round death-number, though.

And, to Dr. Killpatient: Not possible, unless you are content with dismemberment not including the head and the common death from acceleration-induced decapitation.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 17, 2011, 09:44:14 pm
If anyone sieges/ambushes, I suggest -ahem- "recruiting" them.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: EveryZig on September 17, 2011, 09:49:28 pm
I remember reading somewhere that falls of 10+ z-levels remove the living tag or somesuch from a falling critter, but that seems suspect. Seems like a nice, round death-number, though.
Enemies sometimes survive it, particularly lightweight ones.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 17, 2011, 10:22:31 pm
Invasions are off.. too much randomness with them on.  Especially seeing as I have the fortress defense mod with all of it's bonus and challenge races in there, minus the two flying ones. 

The next testing phase will have to wait until sometime tomorrow, tonight I'm beat.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Khym Chanur on September 18, 2011, 01:52:57 am
How are you going to keep attracting immigrants after the deaths mount up?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Oliolli on September 18, 2011, 05:30:12 am
When immigration ends, reproduction begins.
Title: Re: "Specialsuprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Murphy on September 18, 2011, 06:26:19 am
...the elf going melancholy and the donkey going berserk. The donkey then killed my weaver. Now the donkey is chasing a giant moose around my map..
Now you will know why you fear the night ass demons.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 18, 2011, 06:28:10 am
This would be a good opportunity for eugenic experiments.  Choose two potential parents, whose traits and personality you prefer, and lock them in a room with food and booze.  If they don't hate each other, they'll probably fall in love.  View the children to see if they take any traits from their parents, use this for several generations until you get awesome dwarves. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 06:28:40 am
How are you going to keep attracting immigrants after the deaths mount up?

Health Insurance.  Free Health Insurance.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: sirquote on September 18, 2011, 06:43:30 am
Great work, the results are hilarious by the way you have reported it.

One question tho, who or what do you have in line for any berserkuncooperative dwarfs?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: accoro on September 18, 2011, 07:03:01 am
I am so trying this.

The eugenics thing also. I'll aspire to be the Doktor's apprentice!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Komra on September 18, 2011, 07:44:49 am
once you run out of floors, water cushioning at various levels from certain heights would be interesting.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 18, 2011, 07:58:18 am
How are you going to keep attracting immigrants after the deaths mount up?

Health Insurance.  Free Health Insurance.
On the down side, no life insurance.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 09:09:53 am
One question tho, who or what do you have in line for any berserkuncooperative dwarfs?

Any uncooperative dwarves will be "Gently" "Persuaded" by the Doktor's lovely nurses.

One nurse, Emma, is short, constantly cheerful, but clumsy.  The other, Helene, is large, bald, and grumpy.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Komra on September 18, 2011, 12:46:21 pm
That would be an awesome weapon- with about 2x or 3x stab damage, perhaps... *examining raws*
and skill could be based in one of the more oft-used hospital skills, maybe suturing- it's used for fixing stab wounds, so you'd know where the worst injuries are... *scribbling*
*mad cackling* C-can you poison weapons? HAHAHAHAHA! FREE LETHAL INJECTIONS FER AL TEH GOBBOS! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
I need to calm down...calm... calmcalmcalmcalm...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 01:03:38 pm
No I don't believe you can poison weapons sadly.  Still, you could easily impliment the Medic's needle gun from TF2.  :D
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 04:44:28 pm
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

As of the last journal entry, no new test subjects arrived, and we are sitting at 41 available subjects.  The general moral of the camp is average, with Subject 9 seemingly the only unhappy one among them.  The promise of easy work, free booze, and loads of free time is being kept and is keeping spirits up for the most part. 

This fourth phase of testing will conclude, hopefully, the second phase of testing – we will be seeing the return of subjects 6, 7, 9, and 10 to the experiment.  Every one of them, plus a fifth subject, will be dropped from three stories. 


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Subject 6: Male, approx. 66 years, average

Medical Health: All previous wounds healed admirably, no lasting, visible scars.

Test: Three Story Drop

Results: Subject suffered instantaneous death upon landing.  Unknown if it is due to landing technique or fluke.   Subject did not survive.

Notes: A fairly uneventful test.. results did not even procure workable material to practice my skills on.  Such a shame, such a waste of material.

--
Subject 7:  Male, approx 55 years, corpulent (Boy did he let himself go)

Medical Health: All previous wounds except his shoulder have healed.  His shoulder bone was unable to heal , probably due to the inability to immobilize it. (Bug?) Shoulder is infected.

Test: Three Story Drop

Results: Instantaneous death.  Body is completely intact.  Results indicate previous test was not a fluke.  Further testing is needed.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: Again, a waste of material to work with.  At the least however, we may be able to salvage the cloth and thread from expired subjects.  Recycling is important.  If only we could recycle the bodies themselves to help feed the other subjects.

--
Subject 9: Female, approx 55 years, Thin

Medical Health: All previous wounds have healed, except the lower spine's nervous tissue.  Injury is permanent, and results in permanent loss of lower limb function. 

Test: Three Story Drop

Results: First toe on the right foot broken, smashed open, and bruised.   Left Lower Leg bruised and broken.  Right Upper Leg bruised and broken.  Lower body bruised.  Guts is bruised. (That's what it says)

Treatment: Upper Right Leg and Left Lower leg need suturing, setting, and immobilization.  First toe, right food needs dressing, suturing, and surgery.  Left Lower Leg also needs Traction.

Notes: Although Subject 9 was in very little pain from the impact, due to the absence of feeling in it's lower body and beyond, Nurse Emma gave it a generous amount of tranquilizer to put it out so I may work on it without it having to attempt a diagnosis of itself as well as it insulting my medical practices.   Seeing Subject 9, of all the subjects, survive is both a boon and a curse.  A boon because it is good to see that the three story drop experiment isn't completely fatal, and a curse because Subject 9 was the one that is the most troublesome, due mainly in part to its medical expertise. 

Subject 9 is now resting in traction, which is preferable to it being anywhere near other test subjects, where it is able to spread its lies.


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Subject 10: Female, approx 86 years, extremely muscular

Medical Health: All previous wounds have healed admirably

Test: Three Story Drop

Results: Subject is in critical condition.  Lower Left Leg bruised and broken, Upper Right Leg bruised and broken, Lower Right Leg bruised and broken, Guts is bruised, Lower and Upper Body Bruised, Middle Spine broken.  Subject cannot breathe.

Treatment: Not applicable.  Subject suffocated before treatment could begin.  Most likely due to the injury to the spine.  Subject did not survive.

Notes: An interesting result.. the subject survived the landing, but due to the major injury to its middle spine, suffocated shortly afterward. 

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Subject 16: Female, approx 77 years, fat

Test: Three Story Drop

Results: Instantaneous death upon impact.  Subject did not survive.

Notes:  The results corresponded with the majority of the previous tests of this phase, so it was expected.

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And thus concludes the fourth phase of testing.  Sixty-Percent of the tests concluded that a three story drop is fatal upon impact.  The fifth phase of testing will attempt to confirm this.  Fifteen test subjects will be chosen at random, five of which will be dropped simultaneously in three mass tests.  Due to the arrival of two more waves of test subjects during the fourth phase of testing, space at the testing facilities is running low, thus it is imperative that we make room for more test subjects.  Confirming this experiment by using large volumes of subjects will be the key to this. 

Subject 9 still evades expiration.  It has survived three tests so far, more than any other subject to date.  It has survived a one story, two story, and three story fall.  I will give it a few months recuperation before more testing on the subject will resume.  For now, Subject 9 will remain in traction, kept constantly sedated as to not disturb me with its insufferable ramblings. 



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As of this phase of testing, Dr. Logum is currently at Adequate Diagnostician, Wound Dresser, Suturer, and Bone Doctor.  Surgeon remains at Dabbling, but is nearing Novice.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 18, 2011, 04:57:25 pm
Suggesting you use 5 further subjects to confirm 3-story fatality rates and use the other 10 to estimate 4-story fatality rates.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Person on September 18, 2011, 05:22:00 pm
Is skill rot off? Otherwise there's no way Morul II will be as awesome as Morul I. Just saying.

Edit: Also, didn't read the whole thing yet, but if a creature falls on another living creature it takes no damage, but both are knocked out for a bit. I suspect that the cat landed on one of the others that was bleeding out.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 05:33:58 pm
Is skill rot off? Otherwise there's no way Morul II will be as awesome as Morul I. Just saying.

Edit: Also, didn't read the whole thing yet, but if a creature falls on another living creature it takes no damage, but both are knocked out for a bit. I suspect that the cat landed on one of the others that was bleeding out.

Skill rust is off for both Morul II's and Dr. Logum's save files.  And as for Subject 2.75 (The Kitten), it couldn't have landed on either Subject 2 (The dwarf) or Subject 2.5 (The puppy), as they didn't get the chance to bleed out - they died as soon as they landed.  It said "Subject 2 has died from colliding with an obstacle". 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 18, 2011, 05:38:21 pm
Is skill rot off? Otherwise there's no way Morul II will be as awesome as Morul I. Just saying.

Edit: Also, didn't read the whole thing yet, but if a creature falls on another living creature it takes no damage, but both are knocked out for a bit. I suspect that the cat landed on one of the others that was bleeding out.

Skill rust is off for both Morul II's and Dr. Logum's save files.  And as for Subject 2.75 (The Kitten), it couldn't have landed on either Subject 2 (The dwarf) or Subject 2.5 (The puppy), as they didn't get the chance to bleed out - they died as soon as they landed.  It said "Subject 2 has died from colliding with an obstacle".
The cat obviously used its telekinetic powers to prevent any damage from being done, of course!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Person on September 18, 2011, 05:40:38 pm
Does the bridge Raise or retract. If it raises(the bridge becomes a wall on one side), there's a good chance it could launch objects and creatures the way it raises, especially light ones like pets.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Eddren on September 18, 2011, 05:46:41 pm
I think you should be studying what extra organs Subject 2.75 has mutated since his first pet died, instead of how he manages to live.
Because quite obviously, that cat can levitate.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 05:48:01 pm
Nah they're all retractable ones.  I'm certain Subject 2.75 simply jumped off the platform before the dwarf could pull the lever up top (The supply fort is pulling the levers).  It did it twice.  A baby sheep also did it.  Its a minor fluke in the design. 


I think you should be studying what extra organs Subject 2.75 has mutated since his first pet died, instead of how he manages to live.
Because quite obviously, that cat can levitate.

Levitation through the expelling of gasses from the rear exhaust pipe?  I knew I shouldn't have let Subject 2 and 12 feed the thing that slightly glowing cat food..

Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Person on September 18, 2011, 05:52:14 pm
Is there room to place doors that you can then lock? I also read the whole thread before my last post. I like it.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: acetech09 on September 18, 2011, 05:53:16 pm
+1 If you construct the whole testing area and hospital out of billon/light grey stone w. white furniture/bridges.

And make the lever-puller a dwarf sealed in a room with no contact to the outside world - Genetic Lifeform and Dwarf Operating System.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 05:57:11 pm
Is there room to place doors that you can then lock? I also read the whole thread before my last post. I like it.

No.. thats the exact flaw in the design I mentioned.  XD  Oh well, the flaw is only for pets, as dwarves stay nicely in their burrows.  I suppose I could pasture the pets there, but its not necessary for the experiment at large.


+1 If you construct the whole testing area and hospital out of billon/light grey stone w. white furniture/bridges.

And make the lever-puller a dwarf sealed in a room with no contact to the outside world - Genetic Lifeform and Dwarf Operating System.

I like the idea, but sadly the fort's already built.. and I don't have any silver/copper for such a project.  Plus my only stone I've seen is sandstone o.O  Granted I haven't hit the caverns, but I don't want the supply fort to be overgrown in moss, shrubs, and giant mushrooms. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 18, 2011, 07:21:25 pm
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

The fifth phase of testing will begin almost immediately after the fourth has finished.  For this phase, we will be more accurately testing the casualty rate of a third story drop by dropping five subjects at once, two times. 

Subject 9 has been quiet lately.  Its probably due to the unhealthy amount of tranquilizer Nurse Helene has been giving her, after it complained about Nurse Helene's children playing in the blood and gore, playing Dress Up The Half Emaciated Lamb with the leftover clothing.  Subject 11.5 is the lamb mentioned. Ever since it's master died, it's been loafing around the pad.  I don't expect it to last much longer.  There's no grass down here.  No moss, no fungus either.  Just cold hard sandstone.  It makes for a perfect landing pad, the sandstone does. 


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Subject 17: Female, approx. 68 years, very muscular – Special Note: Wife of Subject 19
Subject 18: Male, approx. 79 years, average
Subject 19: Male, approx. 84 years, scrawny – Special Note: Husband of Subject 17
Subject 20: Female, approx. 83 years, incredibly skinny
Subject 21: Male, approx. 54 years, average

Test: Three Story Drop, all at once

Results:
Subject 17: Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, lower body and stomach bruised

Subject 18: Left Lower Leg bruised and broken, Right Hand bruised and broken, Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Lower Arm bruised and broken

Subject 19: Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Left Lower Arm bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, lower body, head, and left kidney bruised, Upper Spine broken

Subject 20: Right Hand bruised and broken, Right Ear bruised and broken, Right Lower Arm bruised and broken, Right Lower Leg bruised and broken, Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Lower Body, Upper body, Spleen, and Liver bruised

Subject 21: Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Lower Body, Upper Body, Stomach, Head, and Throat bruised, Upper Spine broken, Left Floating Rib broken

Treatment: Subjects 19 and 21 not applicable.  Suffocated due to upper spinal injuries shortly after impact.

Subject 17: Upper Left Leg requires dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization

Subject 18: Right Lower Arm, Right Hand, Right Upper Leg, Left Lower Leg require dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization

Subject 20: Lower Right arm, Right Hand, Right Upper Leg, Right Lower Leg require dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization

Notes: All five subjects survived impact, although two expired shortly afterward.  That is a One-Hundred percent survival rate for this test, nearly exactly opposite of Phase Four testing.  Two more tests similar to this one will be preformed, using ten randomly chosen subjects. 

All test subjects landed separately from one another, thus I believe there was no contamination from the multiple test subjects. 

Also, Subject 17 is seemingly unaffected at the loss of it's husband during the test.  All three surviving subjects are up and headed back to their quarters.
 

---
Subject 22: Male, approx. 81 years, average – Special Note: Asleep during Launch
Subject 23: Male, approx. 52 years, short and skinny
Subject 24: Female, approx. 74 years, weak
Subject 25: Male, approx. 81 years, skinny – Special Note: Asleep during Launch
Subject 26: Male, approx 65 years, average

Test: Three Story Drop, all at once

Results:
Subject 22: Left Hand bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Lower Leg bruised and broken, Lower Body, Upper Body, and Pancreas bruised, Middle Spine broken.

Subject 23: Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Lower Arm bruised and broken, Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Upper Arm bruised and broken, Right Lower Leg bruised and broken, Lower Body, Upper Body, and Pancreas bruised, Right False Rib broken.

Subject 24: Second Finger Right Hand bruised, broken, and smashed open, Right Foot bruised and broken, Right Hand bruised and broken, Lower Left Leg bruised and broken, Upper Body and Liver bruised.

Subject 25: Right Hand Bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Lower Spine, Left Lung, Left True Rib broken.

Subject 26: Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Left Lower leg bruised and broken.

Treatment: Subject 22 not applicable.  Suffocated shortly after landing, due to middle spinal injury.

Subject 23: Right Upper Arm, Right Lower Arm, Right Upper Leg, Right Lower Leg, Left Upper leg require dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization.  Right False Rib requires dressing, suturing, and setting.

Subject 24: Died from thirst before ti could be operated on.  Never was diagnosed, fed, or given water. 

Subject 25: Right Hand and Left Upper Leg require dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization.  Left Lung, Lower Spine, and Left True Rib require dressing, suturing, and surgery.  Lower Spine and Left True Rib also require setting.

Subject 26: Left Upper and Left Lower Leg require dressing, suturing, setting, and immobilization.

Notes:   Caught Nurse Helene high on off the tranquilizer drugs she oft gave Subject 9.  She wasn't completely out of it, but enough to not do her duty.  Nurse Emma was busy On Break, Sleeping, Eating, or Drinking to be bothered to give water to Subject 24.

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Like the last test, no subjects expired immediately upon impact.  One expired shortly after due to spinal injury, and another expired later due to failure of the medical system.  There is only so long an injured test subject can go without liquids.  Nurse Emma has been given tranquilizer duty, while Nurse Helene was reprimanded, though is of course allowed to keep her job.  Perhaps once her children grow up, I can make use of them as assistants or additional nurses. 

Initially, three tests were going to be done, but these two past tests have shown that the phase four testing's results were a fluke, as no subjects expired upon immediate impact this time.  Of the fifteen total tested these past two phases, three died immediately, four shortly after due to injuries, while the remaining eight survived.  Except for one, who died of complications completely unrelated to injuries.

The sixth phase of testing will commence in the coming weeks, and will see five randomly chosen test subjects dropped at varying heights beginning at ten stories and working their way down until one survives or until all five have been tested.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: sirquote on September 18, 2011, 10:47:17 pm
I believe that subject 9 may need some special attention, his next fall should have him land on a traction bed with a table and surgical tools nearby so he can fix  himself, since that is obviously what he demands.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 19, 2011, 01:08:46 am
If only you could make Subject 9 stronger, faster, better...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: sirquote on September 19, 2011, 03:55:00 am
If only you could make Subject 9 stronger, faster, better...

We have the technology,  we just don't want to spend a lot of money...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 19, 2011, 05:30:46 am
six million coins, engraved with the image of Subject 9...
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 19, 2011, 08:03:38 am
Ah man if only we could mod in things like implants and stuff.. would be a great way to get Dr. Logum's surgery skill up.  >:)

Btw, Subject 9's a she.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Mr.Elendig on September 19, 2011, 08:37:30 am

The other nurse, Helene, is large, round, and bald, with a bad temper.  Emma is constantly cheerful.. and also very clumsy.
I wish I could draw, because this whole tread, and specially the two nurses, are perfect manga material. Sort of like Franken Fran, just with less love and more insanity. (Specially when the new release comes and we get necromancy)
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Steelgeek on September 21, 2011, 09:38:19 am
I am strangely reminded of this Fallen Art (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9afMixLlXSM)
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 21, 2011, 12:14:24 pm
I am strangely reminded of this Fallen Art (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9afMixLlXSM)

That.. was friggin' epic. 

Anyways, I'll get a new journal entry up for this either today or tomorrow, starting to get really busy with college, even though its insanely fun this year.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Axedwarf on September 21, 2011, 01:42:53 pm
okay, this NEEDS visuals.

I'm drawing you the staff, I'll upload it once I'm finished.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Axedwarf on September 21, 2011, 02:23:23 pm
you didn't have to wait too long!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

who said dwarfettes can't be sexy? (I'm not talking about that ugly one on the right of course.)
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Cheveux on September 21, 2011, 02:28:29 pm
you didn't have to wait too long!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

who said dwarfettes can't be sexy? (I'm not talking about that ugly one on the right of course.)

Fixed.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Axedwarf on September 21, 2011, 02:33:47 pm
I don't see anything fixed, man.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 21, 2011, 03:39:34 pm
Nor do I.. XD

But anyways, nice drawings! Besides Helene (the large one) not being bald like the in-game description says, they fit the overall characteristics of the staff very well. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Cheveux on September 21, 2011, 03:55:32 pm
Maybe it was just me, but the quote was empty when I opened it. When I looked at the spoiler while replying, I thought the IMG tag was broken since one of them was "IMG" and the other was "/img". And when I replace the second one to "/IMG" it worked in the preview of my reply. I assumed there was something broken and I was mistaken, my apologies.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Axedwarf on September 21, 2011, 04:06:18 pm
oh yeah, she's bald... well, she's ugly enough, let's say she has a -badger leather wig-.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: sirquote on September 21, 2011, 04:11:07 pm
You need a landing pad frog now.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Nyxalinth on September 21, 2011, 05:26:32 pm
I keep thinking of Logum as 'Urist mcMengele'.

In Dwarf fortress, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 21, 2011, 05:56:28 pm
I keep thinking of Logum as 'Urist mcMengele'.

In Dwarf fortress, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Thats what I meant him to be like... the "Todesengel" profession name I gave him means "Angel of Death" in german.. got it from Josef Mengele's wiki article.   

Though, I kinda also imagine him like The Medic in TF2. Pain killers are for elves!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 21, 2011, 06:04:13 pm
I keep thinking of Logum as 'Urist mcMengele'.

In Dwarf fortress, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Thats what I meant him to be like... the "Todesengel" profession name I gave him means "Angel of Death" in german.. got it from Josef Mengele's wiki article.   

Though, I kinda also imagine him like The Medic in TF2. Pain killers are for elves!
...and that's how I lost my medical license.

EDIT: I looked up Josef Megele, and I found something AMAZING (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#Human_experimentation)

Josef traveled with a group of SEVEN dwarves! I believe that they must have tried to embark with a human, then abandoned the fortress when a supermassive wave of humans (See: Soviets) conquered before the first caravan.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Axedwarf on September 21, 2011, 06:16:18 pm
I keep thinking of Logum as 'Urist mcMengele'.

In Dwarf fortress, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Thats what I meant him to be like... the "Todesengel" profession name I gave him means "Angel of Death" in german.. got it from Josef Mengele's wiki article.   

Though, I kinda also imagine him like The Medic in TF2. Pain killers are for elves!
...and that's how I lost my medical license.
-number 9: "kill me."
-Doktor Logun: "Later."
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 21, 2011, 06:18:57 pm
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Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 21, 2011, 06:31:26 pm
I keep thinking of Logum as 'Urist mcMengele'.

In Dwarf fortress, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Thats what I meant him to be like... the "Todesengel" profession name I gave him means "Angel of Death" in german.. got it from Josef Mengele's wiki article.   

Though, I kinda also imagine him like The Medic in TF2. Pain killers are for elves!
...and that's how I lost my medical license.
-number 9: "kill me."
-Doktor Logun: "Later."
Time for Doktor Logun to use ze Giant Badger heart?

BAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Oh god I need a psychiatrist.

More like the Giant Moose Heart.. we got lots of them running around, harassing the test subjects trying to gather plants.

Expect the next journal posting in hopefully no more than a few hours, I'm working on it now.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 21, 2011, 07:47:30 pm
Journal of Dr. Logum, Ph.Dwarf, Chief Medical Officer of Ganadstot, “Specialsurprise”

The most odd thing happened as I was sitting down to write.  I heard screams and yells coming from up the supply shaft.  A moment later, the manager of the supply fort and mayor of Ganadstot at large, dropped a note attached to a battered and bloodied corpse.  One of the workers up there apparently got battered to death by a vengeful ghost.  Hah! Ghosts.. they don't exist, superstitious old fool.

Upon autopsy of the victim, it is apparent that he died of severe blunt trauma – not unlike many of the test subjects.  It is possible that the scream I heard was from the victim falling down the supply shaft, and the injuries are from the landing.  At first, it would sound like a simple case of clumsiness.. but why then would a note be attached? Foul play? Suicide? Who knows.. but as long as I continue receiving supplies, I don't care.

Anyways, back onto the experiment at hand.  Phase six of the testing will involve five randomly chosen test subjects dropped at varying stories beginning at ten, then lowering one story per subject until either one survives, or we run out of test subjects. 


--------------------------------------------

Subject 27: Male, approx 88 years, Skinny
Subject 27.5: Male Bunny, Subject 27's Pet

Test: Ten Story Drop

Results:  Instantaneous death for both Subject 27 and 27.5 upon landing.  All limbs of both subjects were severed and spread around the landing pad. Subjects did not survive.

Notes: A spectacular fall, Subject 27 did no less than eight flips on the way down and ended up doing a belly flop onto the landing pad.  Subject 27.5 landed right next to it's master, becoming a beautifully gory mess in the mean time.  The landing pad is now officially completely covered in the bodily fluids of the test subjects.  Nurse Helene's oldest child was present to watch the test alongside myself.  This child has potential, as he showed great interest in the experiment, laughing uncontrollably as only a child can at the test's results.  While Subject 27 was being hauled away by Nurse Helene, I gave the child the remains of subject 27.5 to do with as he pleases.  He attempted to reassemble it using some thread in the hospital.  I think I'll give all of the animal remains to this child from now on.  Perhaps something interesting will come out of it.

---
Subject 28: Female, approx 67 years, Skinny and small
Subject 29: Female, approx 8 days old, thin build with little fat, Child of Subject 28

Test: Nine Story Drop

Results:
Subject 28: Second Finger Left Hand bruised, broken, and smashed open, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Left Lower Leg bruised and broken. Lower Body, Upper Body, Right Lung, Head bruised, Upper and Lower Spine broken, Left Hip Broken

Subject 29:  Left Hand bruised and broken, Right Lower Leg bruised and broken, Left Lower Leg bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Hand bruised and broken, Lower Body and guts bruised.

Treatment: Not Applicable for Subject 28, subject suffocated shortly after impact.

Subject 29: Not Applicable.  Unknown whereabouts.

Notes: Oddly surprising that both test subjects survived from a nine story drop, even if one died shortly after.  Subject 29 could not be operated on, as the little bastard crawled off despite it's injuries.  The nurses are now unable to locate it.  I expect we'll find it in a corner eventually, dead.  Oh well.  Onto the next test!

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Subject 30: Male, approx 61 years, thin and weak

Test: Nine Story Drop

Results:  Left Foot bruised and broken, Left Lower Leg bruised and broken, Right Upper Leg bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Left Upper Arm bruised and broken, Guts, Lower Body,, Upper Body, Left Lung bruised

Treatment: All injuries require Dressing, Suturing, Setting, and Immobilization.  Crutch will be required.

Notes: Subject was oddly calm during the treatment process.  Most of the subjects generally whine about the pain, scream for their lives, or pass out.  This one simply relaxed and attempted to converse with me while I was treating it.  Mentioned about how well designed the “Bridge” he was standing on was.  For once I wish the subject WOULD scream in pain or pass out.  But, since it was being so calm, I had it hold some of my tools for me.  Nurse Emma was busy drinking out of the Sunshine barrel, and Nurse Helene was still searching for Subject 29 with the assistance of her children.  She believes it's hiding among the corpses in the graveyard.. maybe attempting a game of “Hide and Seek” with its deceased parent.

---
Subject 31: Male, approx 72 years, short with incredible muscles
Subject 31.5: Male Keet, pet of subject 31

Test: Nine Story Drop

Results:
Subject 31: Left Lower Arm bruised and broken, Left Upper Leg bruised and broken, Right Hand bruised and broken, Left Hand bruised and broken, Lower Body, Upper Body, Liver, and Stomach bruised.

Subject 31.5: Lower Body, Upper Body, Liver, and Guts bruised.

Treatment:
Subject 31: Left Lower Arm, Left Upper Leg, Right Hand, Left Hand require Dressing, Suturing, Setting, and Immobilization.

Subject 31.5: Not applicable – Not only do I not operate on animals, but the animal healed up rather quickly.

Notes: Subject attempted to land with it's hands – didn't work.  The injuries are not permanent, but it will not be able to hold onto anything for quite some time, let alone a crutch.  I suppose I can tie one to it's working arm.  That, or let it find it's own way around.  Doesn't matter to me.

Subject 31.5 escaped with no lasting injuries – I believe it is due to it's extremely light weight as well as its small and pathetic wings.  Pity.  I was going to give it's remains to Helene's son, Bim.  He was disappointed it survived as well.


-----------------------------------

And so ends the sixth phase of testing.  I was surprised that the test subjects survived nine story drops.  All four of them survived immediate impact, although not all survived long after that.  I am particularly curious to see how well that eight day old child fared, but we are still unable to locate it.  Sometimes, at night, we can hear it making noises.. playfully giggling sometimes, crying other times.  But when the nurses search for it, they cannot find it. 

Subject 9 is still in traction, it's toe is unable to heal.  The toe is beginning to look infected as well.  There is a chance Subject 9 will die from infection, even though I cleaned it's toe with llama soap.  Oh well.  I'm just glad it's not bugging me anymore.  Its constantly in a stupor, just staring at the ceiling, mouth gaping open.  Occasionally I'll catch the children attempting to throw a wadded up sock from one of the deceased test subjects into Subject 9's open mouth, as a game to see who can make it from the furthest distance.  Ah, children these days, entertained with the simplest of games.

The seventh phase of Testing will see ten randomly chosen test subjects dropped in two mass tests from ten stories, to see if it's at all possible to survive that drop.  With the high amount of survivors from nine stories, I believe they can survive that height.  If a large number of them do survive, I'll look into eleven stories again.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Euneria By Charles Larch on September 21, 2011, 09:03:19 pm
Oh, my guts is bruised! Nurse!  :'(

Not the ugly petite one.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: NRDL on September 22, 2011, 01:46:24 am
I wonder how Dr. Logum will react to the ghosts...he'll probably just see it as an opportunity to perform surgery, the sociopath.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Gizogin on September 22, 2011, 08:14:50 am
Medical !!SCIENCE!! is the best kind, because no one can even claim that it's unjustified or unnecessary.  Not that it matters what anyone says, because dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 22, 2011, 12:56:52 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Urist Da Vinci on September 22, 2011, 02:41:17 pm
So falling 11+ z-levels leads to a dismemberment death? I'd be interested in knowing how deep a dodge-trap pit has to be to maximize death while minimizing hauling (if you have to clean it).
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 22, 2011, 02:42:53 pm
So falling 11+ z-levels leads to a dismemberment death? I'd be interested in knowing how deep a dodge-trap pit has to be to maximize death while minimizing hauling (if you have to clean it).
If you have one tile of magma at the bottom of said pit, there would be no clean-up required!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Tevish Szat on September 22, 2011, 02:46:25 pm
So falling 11+ z-levels leads to a dismemberment death? I'd be interested in knowing how deep a dodge-trap pit has to be to maximize death while minimizing hauling (if you have to clean it).
If you have one tile of magma at the bottom of said pit, there would be no clean-up required!
It also wouldn't have to be 11+z deep if it had magma at the bottom.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 22, 2011, 03:07:31 pm
So falling 11+ z-levels leads to a dismemberment death? I'd be interested in knowing how deep a dodge-trap pit has to be to maximize death while minimizing hauling (if you have to clean it).
If you have one tile of magma at the bottom of said pit, there would be no clean-up required!
It also wouldn't have to be 11+z deep if it had magma at the bottom.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE EXPLODEYNESS OF A PIT

Blood for the blood god  :P
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Musashi on September 22, 2011, 03:11:53 pm
Let's have the best of both worlds.
Normal hard pit when stuff falls down.
Once everything precious is pillaged and stocked inside the fort, release 1-z level of magma to clean the rest, and drain it back somewhere else when it's done.
Rinse, repeat.
... I think I'll do that.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Gizogin on September 22, 2011, 03:26:17 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?

Obviously.  What else could it be but
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 22, 2011, 03:40:32 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?

Obviously.  What else could it be but
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Water? YOU SAY WATER?

How can you even...

HOW DARE YOU, YOU INSOLENT LITTLE ELF

Necro cancels record keeping: Throwing tantrum.
An orthoclase floodgate has been destroyed!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Musashi on September 22, 2011, 03:44:44 pm
Great, you happy now? It's his second tantrum this week! Geez.
We'll need to put Necro910 in the room of Magmatic Happiness* to "calm him down".



*the one with a lever that floods the whole fort in magma, except for the one room where it is located
hey, it involves magma and happiness
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Gizogin on September 22, 2011, 03:51:12 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?

Obviously.  What else could it be but
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Water? YOU SAY WATER?

How can you even...

HOW DARE YOU, YOU INSOLENT LITTLE ELF

Necro cancels record keeping: Throwing tantrum.
An orthoclase floodgate has been destroyed!

But if you mix it with
MAGMAAAAAAAAAA
then you get
OBSIDIAAAAAAAAAAAN
which is very dwarven.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 22, 2011, 04:06:03 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?

Obviously.  What else could it be but
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Water? YOU SAY WATER?

How can you even...

HOW DARE YOU, YOU INSOLENT LITTLE ELF

Necro cancels record keeping: Throwing tantrum.
An orthoclase floodgate has been destroyed!

But if you mix it with
MAGMAAAAAAAAAA
then you get
OBSIDIAAAAAAAAAAAN
which is very dwarven.
Obsidian does not get an exageration. It is a rock, as opposed to a MAGMAAAAAAAAAAA

Great, you happy now? It's his second tantrum this week! Geez.
We'll need to put Necro910 in the room of Magmatic Happiness* to "calm him down".



*the one with a lever that floods the whole fort in magma, except for the one room where it is located
hey, it involves magma and happiness

MUST... DRINK...
MAGMA

Magma has been struck down

Magma? MAGMA?
SPEAK TO ME
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *vomit*
Ah there you are. Hey! Magma!
Magma has been struck down
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Gizogin on September 22, 2011, 04:37:21 pm
Great, you happy now? It's his second tantrum this week! Geez.
We'll need to put Necro910 in the room of Magmatic Happiness* to "calm him down".



*the one with a lever that floods the whole fort in magma, except for the one room where it is located
hey, it involves magma and happiness

MUST... DRINK...
MAGMA

Magma has been struck down

Magma? MAGMA?
SPEAK TO ME
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *vomit*
Ah there you are. Hey! Magma!
Magma has been struck down
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Truly, I am a horrible person.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Vicid on September 22, 2011, 04:41:44 pm
Where is the baby?  :-[
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 22, 2011, 08:29:05 pm
dwarves have the best rebuttal to anything.
The Necro910 Effect, correct?

Obviously.  What else could it be but
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Water? YOU SAY WATER?

How can you even...

HOW DARE YOU, YOU INSOLENT LITTLE ELF

Necro cancels record keeping: Throwing tantrum.
An orthoclase floodgate has been destroyed!

But if you mix it with
MAGMAAAAAAAAAA
then you get
OBSIDIAAAAAAAAAAAN
which is very dwarven.
As the first person I know of to use the word obsidian like that, I demand the right to be angry at your use of it even though you couldn't have possibly known about it! Wait, that sounded better in my head...
Er...
Keep up the good work, Crustypeanut!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 22, 2011, 09:48:28 pm
Where is the baby?  :-[

Crawling around the coffins.  No one's touching it.. XD
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Oliolli on September 23, 2011, 12:10:00 am
Let's have the best of both worlds.
Normal hard pit when stuff falls down.
Once everything precious is pillaged and stocked inside the fort, release 1-z level of magma to clean the rest, and drain it back somewhere else when it's done.
Rinse, repeat.
... I think I'll do that.

I think it would be easier to just make the landing pad a bridge, under which Our Dear Friend resides.

I see the actual word for it a trademark of Necro.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on September 23, 2011, 06:23:15 am
Let's have the best of both worlds.
Normal hard pit when stuff falls down.
Once everything precious is pillaged and stocked inside the fort, release 1-z level of magma to clean the rest, and drain it back somewhere else when it's done.
Rinse, repeat.
... I think I'll do that.

I think it would be easier to just make the landing pad a bridge, under which Our Dear Friend resides.

I see the actual word for it a trademark of Necro.
Two things:
1. Who cares about easier? THIS! IS! SPECIALSURPRISE!!
2. You could also call it L.A.V.U. fluid--Lovely Agonizing Volcanic Underground fluid, or (if you don't like that) B.O.A.T.M.U.R.D.E.R.E.R.--Boatmurdered's Original Amazing Type of Martial Underground Evil-Ravagers' Effervescent Retaliation.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Steelgeek on September 23, 2011, 10:09:41 am

EDIT: On reading more on Josef, he was the dorfiest ‼SCIENCE‼ist to ever live in real life. He performed heart removal, alive and without anesthetic, he gave the children =Sugar Roasts= until they were inevitably killed in the most painful manner possible, he sewed two twins together just for the name of fun Fun ‼SCIENCE‼, the children were kept in masterwork dining rooms and bedrooms to prevent tantrum spirals because he's a nice guy, he then immigrated as a legendary surgeon to South America, and more.

Any sane person would probably be vomiting by now, yet I am being fascinated...
BAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Oh god I need a psychiatrist.

My grandfather had twin sisters. We honestly don't know what happened after they were taken, no record ever surfaced. By the way they weren't jewish. To quote a movie, so many people forget that the first country that the Nazi's invaded was their own.
Sorry for the threadjack and downer, just happened to hit one of my three hotbuttons.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 23, 2011, 10:11:06 am
I've updated the original post a bit guys, with links to each of the journal entries to make finding them more organized.  :D

Edit:

EDIT: On reading more on Josef, he was the dorfiest ‼SCIENCE‼ist to ever live in real life. He performed heart removal, alive and without anesthetic, he gave the children =Sugar Roasts= until they were inevitably killed in the most painful manner possible, he sewed two twins together just for the name of fun Fun ‼SCIENCE‼, the children were kept in masterwork dining rooms and bedrooms to prevent tantrum spirals because he's a nice guy, he then immigrated as a legendary surgeon to South America, and more.

Any sane person would probably be vomiting by now, yet I am being fascinated...
BAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Oh god I need a psychiatrist.

My grandfather had twin sisters. We honestly don't know what happened after they were taken, no record ever surfaced. By the way they weren't jewish. To quote a movie, so many people forget that the first country that the Nazi's invaded was their own.
Sorry for the threadjack and downer, just happened to hit one of my three hotbuttons.

I'm sure no one meant any harm or insult to the actual victims or families of victims of WWII.  Myself included, even though I've based Dr. Logum off of one of the most infamous doctors during that war myself. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 23, 2011, 11:21:55 am
I've updated the original post a bit guys, with links to each of the journal entries to make finding them more organized.  :D

Edit:

EDIT: On reading more on Josef, he was the dorfiest ‼SCIENCE‼ist to ever live in real life. He performed heart removal, alive and without anesthetic, he gave the children =Sugar Roasts= until they were inevitably killed in the most painful manner possible, he sewed two twins together just for the name of fun Fun ‼SCIENCE‼, the children were kept in masterwork dining rooms and bedrooms to prevent tantrum spirals because he's a nice guy, he then immigrated as a legendary surgeon to South America, and more.

Any sane person would probably be vomiting by now, yet I am being fascinated...
BAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Oh god I need a psychiatrist.

My grandfather had twin sisters. We honestly don't know what happened after they were taken, no record ever surfaced. By the way they weren't jewish. To quote a movie, so many people forget that the first country that the Nazi's invaded was their own.
Sorry for the threadjack and downer, just happened to hit one of my three hotbuttons.

I'm sure no one meant any harm or insult to the actual victims or families of victims of WWII.  Myself included, even though I've based Dr. Logum off of one of the most infamous doctors during that war myself.
Indeed. I was not insulting the victims, I was stating that Medele had traits of dwarven ‼Science‼ist.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: jcnorris00 on September 23, 2011, 12:50:18 pm
I would be very interested to know if armor provided any protection from falling damage.  You could dress a few test subjects in, for example, chainmail, breastplate, gauntlets, and helm, but no greaves or leggings or boots, and then investigate whether the incidence of serious injuries skewed towards the lower body.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 23, 2011, 01:30:02 pm
I would be very interested to know if armor provided any protection from falling damage.  You could dress a few test subjects in, for example, chainmail, breastplate, gauntlets, and helm, but no greaves or leggings or boots, and then investigate whether the incidence of serious injuries skewed towards the lower body.

I'll attempt something of the sort, though at the moment, the supply fort does not have access to materials to make armor, nor do they have the fuel to make a ton of it.  But I can work on it.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Necro910 on September 23, 2011, 01:32:00 pm
I would be very interested to know if armor provided any protection from falling damage.  You could dress a few test subjects in, for example, chainmail, breastplate, gauntlets, and helm, but no greaves or leggings or boots, and then investigate whether the incidence of serious injuries skewed towards the lower body.

I'll attempt something of the sort, though at the moment, the supply fort does not have access to materials to make armor, nor do they have the fuel to make a ton of it.  But I can work on it.
It will be the ‼Science‼ task, after you're done with the proletarians, of course  ;D
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: DarthBoogalo on September 23, 2011, 10:36:22 pm
If I may,
"Your left arm takes the full force of the impact, shattering the bone through the organic armormetal left gauntlet."
This confirms that fall damage at least recognizes armor, I am unsure how much it helped, this was from a 4 Z-Level fall in Arena.
EDIT:
Yeah, I am pretty~ sure armor affects fall damage, I dropped two of the same creatures, one with armor from 4 levels, one had mostly bruising a few broken bones, the other was.. well, mangled would be the word for it, proceed with the science!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 24, 2011, 11:02:56 am
I already have a plan for testing this:  Four groups of 5 dwarves - five well trained, unarmored soldiers (high strength, durability etc), five well trained, fully armored soldiers, five untrained, unarmored soldiers, and five untrained, fully armored soldiers.  The well trained ones will have trained for a while thus have built up their muscles and durability, to see if that also helps.  All will be dropped from a undecided height (probably ~9 stories).  But this won't be for a few in-game years, not until they're all beefy.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Girlinhat on September 24, 2011, 03:57:05 pm
I'd probably try a season of danger room training, to see how maxed stats changes impact rating.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Daenyth on September 24, 2011, 05:55:42 pm
I'd probably try a season of danger room training, to see how maxed stats changes impact rating.

This. I was going to suggest that maybe they're surviving higher drops now because they've spent time farming, getting skills, and raising stats.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on September 24, 2011, 06:48:31 pm
Well only a few of them have done any farming, brewing, and gathering.  The majority of them sit around in their 1x1 rooms. 
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Ehndras on September 28, 2011, 04:07:01 pm
This thread menaces with spikes of bloody fucking awesome, posting to watch.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Urist Da Vinci on September 28, 2011, 08:24:49 pm
If I may,
"Your left arm takes the full force of the impact, shattering the bone through the organic armormetal left gauntlet."
This confirms that fall damage at least recognizes armor, I am unsure how much it helped, this was from a 4 Z-Level fall in Arena.
EDIT:
Yeah, I am pretty~ sure armor affects fall damage, I dropped two of the same creatures, one with armor from 4 levels, one had mostly bruising a few broken bones, the other was.. well, mangled would be the word for it, proceed with the science!

Science has been done before:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72385.msg1777923#msg1777923

Try dropping a creature that is wearing a steel or addy breastplate and greaves. Read the combat report.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: DarthBoogalo on September 30, 2011, 09:52:39 pm
Science has been done before:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72385.msg1777923#msg1777923

Try dropping a creature that is wearing a steel or addy breastplate and greaves. Read the combat report.

Okay.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: YetAnotherStupidDorf on October 01, 2011, 11:31:59 am
Whole thread was... hilariously disturbing.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Kofthefens on October 01, 2011, 12:05:25 pm
Whole thread was... hilariously disturbing.
absolutely dwarven
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on October 05, 2011, 04:56:12 pm
Hey guys, sorry about the delay in updates - college has been kicking me arse lately.  I've started working on the next update though, I hope to have it done sometime today.  If not, hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Sutremaine on October 05, 2011, 06:55:34 pm
I'm sure no one meant any harm or insult to the actual victims or families of victims of WWII.  Myself included, even though I've based Dr. Logum off of one of the most infamous doctors during that war myself.
And if those people are harmed or insulted?
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Wannazzaki on October 05, 2011, 11:46:03 pm
As a ghost myself and having suffered bisection previously on no less than three occasions, i have to say that your practices are utterly inethical, amoral, un!!SCIENCE!!tific and plain cruel. When i manage to find someone worth possessing i will report this to the mountain homes, requesting that you be tried for crimes against Dwarfanity for not having a seperate experiment involving ogres and goblins!

Subject 29 is grumbling petulantly, possessed by Wannazzaki.

Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Crustypeanut on October 06, 2011, 01:46:06 am
I'm sure no one meant any harm or insult to the actual victims or families of victims of WWII.  Myself included, even though I've based Dr. Logum off of one of the most infamous doctors during that war myself.
And if those people are harmed or insulted?

Well, I'd have to offer my sincerest apologies to 'em, as I meant no harm with this experiment.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: PWRFLSTRGN on October 07, 2011, 07:21:16 pm
You've inspired me to pick DF back up and actually try out the medical system! Waiting patiently for the next update.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: PWRFLSTRGN on October 10, 2011, 09:18:26 am
I hope the delay is because of school and not because somebody got offended.. this story is too good to end over something like that!
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Kofthefens on October 10, 2011, 10:30:15 am
I hope the delay is because of school and not because somebody got offended.. this story is too good to end over something like that!
Me too.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: YetAnotherStupidDorf on October 10, 2011, 12:37:11 pm
And if those people are harmed or insulted?
It is always possible to find someone insulted by what you said, regardless of what you said. Always. You know, give me one line and all of that.

While this is understandable that, say, someone from family where someone was victim of Mengele, would be uneasy (in best case) about this thread - there is one simple advice to follow: do not read it. However, you do not get censorship powers due to your family circumstances. This is privilege of moderator.
Title: Re: "Specialsurprise", The Medical Experiment - For SCIENCE!
Post by: Toady One on October 10, 2011, 06:20:57 pm
Nah, we don't get to have Holocaust jokes.