Post by: Fault on January 16, 2010, 10:28:22 pm
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/banner-ch1.png) (http://effigies.smackjeeves.com/)
(^ click the banner to go to the comic site ^)
OKAY. Some guys from the creative projects forum suggested I make a thread about mah webcomic, apparently it has a few fans among the bay12games community. So what I'm basically doing here is asking for critique, suggestions, and other things from this creative community.
As well, I will be posting information about the events of Effigies here before I post the page on smackjeeves, so I can recieve advanced suggestions on what works, what doesn't work, and anything else you think I should consider.
I can also answer any questions you have about the Plot, Characters, and world of Effigies, so long as it doesn't spoil too much.
ADDED EFFIGIES INFORMATION:
Spoiler: WORLD: TIMELINE (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: CAST OF CHARACTERS (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: WORLD: RACES (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: WORLD: RELIGIONS (click to show/hide)
Post by: Outcast Orange on January 16, 2010, 10:40:08 pm
I read it 2 days ago.
I wish it would continue actually.
Post by: Enzo on January 16, 2010, 11:06:58 pm
I like it. The (presumably) main characters already have some personality, the world is a little vague, but it's still early yet. I laughed at the circumflex part.
I will be keeping up with this.
Post by: Fault on January 16, 2010, 11:43:42 pm
the world is a little vague
Hmm. I'm thinking about revealing world information slowly and gradually in the comic, but I suppose I can put out a little more information on this forum thread. Here I go:
Spoiler: ROUGH WORLD TIMELINE (click to show/hide)
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 17, 2010, 02:02:37 am
Post by: Fault on January 17, 2010, 02:25:01 am
How can I not support this work of yours Fault?
...
I'm gonna pretend you asked how you could help, instead of how you could not.
anyway, I'm having a few problems with the World timeline; as you can see, none of the events are tied to years or dates. If you think you can write a better, more concise timeline than that, then I could send you a more detailed run-down of the planned plot history (obviously this will spoil some of the plot, but I'm sure you're good with that) and you could work something out of that.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 17, 2010, 02:42:29 am
Sure, I'll look at it. I'll see what I can do about making it more concise, or canonically stable with the dates at the very least.
I like the Tower of Babel reference right at the start though.
Post by: Fault on January 17, 2010, 02:46:04 am
Also, don't think I've forgotten about making that map for yer mecha story.
Cuase I'm still gonna do that, at some point.
Post by: Armok on January 17, 2010, 10:18:38 am
Post by: Fault on January 18, 2010, 12:29:59 am
It's pretty much a continuation of the last page's conversation, but it also introduces the first obstacle in the adventure. Which is Kobolds. You gotta start small, you know.
I'm thinking of changing the face in the bottom middle panel. It just doesn't look enough like an elf.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 18, 2010, 12:38:29 am
Post by: Willfor on January 18, 2010, 12:49:35 am
Is the wolfbear things suppose to be a reference to MANBEARPIGS?!Who cares? WOLFBEARS!
Post by: Fault on January 18, 2010, 12:51:30 am
As for the name, its actually supposed to evoke memories of silly Role-playing game monsters, like owlbears.
Coincidentally, the name Beowulf, if directly translated, means Bearwolf.
Post by: Fault on January 25, 2010, 01:14:33 am
It's the last page of the conversation about kobolds; the next comic will be a chase scene.
Also, I am adding Kobolds to the race section.
Post by: Willfor on January 25, 2010, 01:17:09 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 25, 2010, 01:19:31 am
Post by: Outcast Orange on January 25, 2010, 10:00:02 am
I'm slightly more interested than before.
Post by: Fault on January 26, 2010, 08:53:48 pm
I'm also about half-done the linework for page #13, which will be a fight with the kobolds.
Post by: Fault on January 30, 2010, 03:58:30 am
It's my first time doing an action scene, and it's mostly devoid of dialogue.
Any suggestions for improvement?
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 30, 2010, 05:20:57 am
Though, I don't like the really obvious spelling error. Nothing a quick edit can't fix.
Post by: Fault on February 13, 2010, 05:36:37 am
I promise something interesting will happen in the next few pages. New characters, conflicts, and whatnot.
sorry for the schedule slip last weekend, I'll try to make up for it this weekend.
I'm almost finished colouring the prologue... I'm introducing a new, more detailed colour scheme once I start on Chapter One.
Post by: Fault on February 22, 2010, 09:39:07 pm
next page THERE WILL BE a new character introduced. I promise.
I'll have new talking heads to draw soon!
Post by: Outcast Orange on February 22, 2010, 11:06:20 pm
I'll read it momentarily.
Post by: Fault on February 24, 2010, 09:07:33 pm
THE PROLOGUE IS COMPLETE.
except for the map at the beginng. Screw the map.
I will start colouring chapter one....
SOON.
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on February 25, 2010, 01:54:43 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 28, 2010, 12:40:49 pm
Post by: Fault on February 28, 2010, 05:43:37 pm
I have revealed who was behind the door!
Is he friend or foe?
well I guess that depends on whether you consider our party of grave robbers to be heroes or villians...
Post by: JoshuaFH on February 28, 2010, 05:48:28 pm
EDIT: Oh hey, I just noticed the guy in the first panel has a ^.^ expression.
Post by: Fault on February 28, 2010, 05:58:34 pm
Hey, that isn't ominous at all!
nah, I'm sure he's just poorly lit.
Oh hey, I just noticed the guy in the first panel has a ^.^ expression.
it's quite a contrast with the expression he wears later.
Post by: eerr on March 04, 2010, 04:01:13 pm
"you're playing into a stereotype"
and the purple question mark over the human's head.
(with that much work on expressions, you shouldn't need anime marks)
But it is great and powerful.
And could probably use a little
Post by: Fault on March 04, 2010, 06:13:43 pm
Oh and I was actually thinking of using photoshop blur on certain characters (such as gods and the like) to make them stand out from the more mundane creatures.
Post by: Sensei on March 10, 2010, 05:46:20 pm
Quote from: Fault
Quote from: Sensei...the elf has a man corset.such a strange culture, these elves of old.
Maybe elves are so radical, it's just a giant sweatband for their body?
Post by: Fault on March 10, 2010, 07:33:36 pm
I can have the new page out today, I just need to fill in speech bubbles at this point.
Post by: Kagus on March 10, 2010, 07:48:17 pm
Papyrus.
Post by: Fault on March 10, 2010, 07:51:20 pm
copperplate gothic bold all the way, man.
Post by: Fault on March 10, 2010, 08:18:54 pm
I have noticed that this scene with the elder is very similar to the encounter with Beorn in The Hobbit.
Trust me, though, It will end very differently.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 11, 2010, 09:16:08 am
Post by: Fault on March 18, 2010, 06:39:33 pm
In which the kindly old man's actions become more sinister... (obviously)
(shoulda been up last weekend... expect another page out soon, like, this weekend)
Post by: Armok on March 18, 2010, 07:15:41 pm
Post by: Fault on March 19, 2010, 06:47:47 pm
two updates in two days, that's a new record.
in which two new characters are introduced, and a startling secret about the old man is revealed.
Have I told you that I absolutely love your comics. This is easily beyond quality.
wow, a compliment from armok. :D
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 20, 2010, 04:21:24 pm
Post by: Fault on March 25, 2010, 07:22:56 pm
In this page, the ogre relays a cryptic message to the two adventurers while the main characters escape.
I intend to put off some time to get more pages coloured soon.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 25, 2010, 07:29:22 pm
But anyway, I anticipate that the crossbow bolt in the last panel continues on to hit both his lungs, heart, liver, eyes, brain, and right ankle.
Post by: Fault on March 26, 2010, 01:29:12 am
also note that between this page and the previous one the design of the wagon door changes completely.
goddamn wagons, they're so tricky to draw.
Post by: Fault on March 26, 2010, 05:03:12 pm
In which the part escapes the ogre's clutches.
Note: some pages were rearanged. "THE OGRE" was moved to page 22, and this new page appears at page 21.
Post by: Hungry on March 26, 2010, 08:22:35 pm
Post by: Fault on April 03, 2010, 07:05:39 pm
In which some the main plot actually advances somewhat.
I really need to catch up on mah colouring, but with the new version of DF and all I'm unsure if I'll have time...
Post by: Fault on April 10, 2010, 01:23:39 am
In which a cultural dispute arises between mountain dwarves and hill dwarves.
QUESTION: Is it hard to tell which dwarf is which, considering that the only feature that sets one apart from the other is their beard style?
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 10, 2010, 01:38:38 am
Anyway. I think the distinction might become more clear once you manage to color everything in. Nice to see one of the characters using a genuine scotsman fallacy to liven things up.
Post by: Sensei on April 10, 2010, 01:52:47 am
Post by: Fault on April 10, 2010, 02:13:52 am
Yeah, i get the dwarves mixed up.The character descriptions in this thread's original post tells which dwarf has which beard.
Oh and, Josh? did you get that edited backstory summary I emailed to you? (the delivery may have failed, I'm not quite sure) or do I need to send it again?
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 10, 2010, 02:27:55 am
I'll read it over tomorrow though, It's nearly 3:30 in the morning right now, and I need to be going to bed soon.
Post by: Fault on April 10, 2010, 02:31:43 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
OH and thanks.
Post by: Fault on April 11, 2010, 09:53:54 pm
I have altered the colour schemes of Olin and William... removing the general blue theme of their outfits and only keeping blue on one or two garments.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
also, Olin's beard is now a different colour than his face colour.
Post by: Fault on April 14, 2010, 06:14:37 pm
In which the plot moves EVER SO SLOWLY forward.
After seeing what I can do with photoshop when I made Duke2.0's avatar, I am considering using photoshop during colouring to add a new stylistic element at some point near the end of this chapter.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 14, 2010, 06:24:51 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 15, 2010, 08:39:14 am
This is fun, though.
Love your art.
Post by: Fault on April 15, 2010, 09:46:16 am
"arguing" doesn't have an E in it.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Post by: Armok on April 15, 2010, 09:47:36 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 16, 2010, 12:26:38 am
Post by: SolarShado on April 16, 2010, 08:00:34 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 16, 2010, 08:05:08 pm
Post by: Vertigon on April 16, 2010, 09:49:39 pm
Post by: Fault on April 16, 2010, 11:16:46 pm
And rightly so... I mean, right now the plot seems pieced together from fantasy cliches (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardFantasySetting) and poor storytelling - it's rife with deus ex machina, plot holes, and coincedence. And I worry that readers will see the first few pages and get turned off before they read the whole story (once I finish the tale of course...)
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I'd just like to reassure readers that I'm not just making this story up as I go along (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RandomEventsPlot)... every event insofar has been planned out with considerable effort. Most of the seemingly random occurences along the journey are setups for more significant plot events later on... but there's little more I can say without spoiling things.
let's just say that I expect the overall story and plot elements to improve greatly (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrowingTheBeard) once chapter two arrives.
Post by: Fault on April 21, 2010, 07:41:26 pm
This page features talking heads... AT NIGHT
also, Josh? any thoughts on that document I sent you, or have you not read it yet?
Post by: Sensei on April 23, 2010, 09:38:32 pm
Post by: Fault on April 23, 2010, 09:59:09 pm
I'm in the process of colouring page #13 right now.
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/koboldpreview.png)
Krumbs suggested I prioritize page colouring based on plot importance rather than chronological order. It's a GOOD IDEA.
Post by: Fault on May 04, 2010, 07:04:21 pm
now you can see the kobold chase in all its gory detail.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on May 04, 2010, 07:06:47 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 04, 2010, 10:39:55 pm
Post by: Strife26 on May 04, 2010, 11:32:33 pm
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:14:48 am
In which we see a flashback to Shift's earlier days... before the man-corset.
oh, and more chekov's guns.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:17:11 am
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:18:26 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:20:23 am
And it doesn't help that I see all the character in an art style similar to yours.
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:24:07 am
And it doesn't help that I see all the character in an art style similar to yours.
I'd be willing to do some illustrations if you want. Anything to expand my subject matter.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:25:26 am
Yeah, it's mostly just character portraits, but I do have some scenes in mind, if you would like it.And it doesn't help that I see all the character in an art style similar to yours.
I'd be willing to do some illustrations if you want. Anything to expand my subject matter.
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:30:47 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:34:20 am
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:37:09 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:38:08 am
I like the ashes idea. Its a great idea!
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 01:43:47 am
It will also become more important when the comic elaborates on human religion in the setting.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 01:48:10 am
Post by: Fault on May 05, 2010, 10:11:02 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Culture of Shift's wood elf race (Trowe) is detailed in the original post, under "races".
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 05:39:03 pm
I like these ideas of yours, damnit!
:D
Post by: Fault on May 07, 2010, 01:58:14 am
Quote from: Vucar Fikodastesh
I wonder how the others will react to Shift's story.
The following is detailed in PAGE #29 (posted at 3 minutes to midnight!)
Consider this page to be wildy out-of-character and non-canon, mostly due to language.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 07, 2010, 02:00:41 am
Post by: eerr on May 07, 2010, 03:42:41 pm
So uh, Any thoughts about cleaning up the black bits that pop up everywhere?
Post by: Dagoth Urist on May 07, 2010, 04:04:47 pm
Post by: Fault on May 07, 2010, 05:26:51 pm
So uh, Any thoughts about cleaning up the black bits that pop up everywhere?you talking about the little dots of paint that are stuck on my scanner? I cleaned most of them off, but there's still some I can't quite get at. I remove them from the image whenever I see them, but sometimes they slip through... >:(
Fault, are you going to colour every page you make in the future, or only the ones that 'need' it?Every story page is intended to be coloured. I'm thinking of leaving the map pages in B/W, though.
If there's one negative thing about Effigies, it'd be that it's hard to discern who's who.Another problem which can be solved by colouring....
Post by: Fault on May 09, 2010, 11:25:35 pm
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/geneaology.png)
EDIT: I should change William's ancestry to "explorer clan" going with the family/clan definitions below
Post by: ein on May 09, 2010, 11:50:28 pm
Ever since I read Lord of the Rings.
Care to expand/do Wilhelm's?
Post by: Fault on May 09, 2010, 11:55:52 pm
oh, and Jonathan is the uncle who told Josef about wolfbears when he was a child.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 10, 2010, 12:28:20 am
Seeing as I'm stuck, I'm so gonna reread this shit.
Post by: Fault on May 10, 2010, 12:54:35 am
the main human society in EFFIGIES (the coastal and plains people, as opposed to the Outlanders) does not use last names. A person's full title is their first name followed by "the [Profession]", I.E "William the Historian", "Josef the Merchant". Each family (or "clan", if it includes unrelated/adopted members) has an associated group of closely related professions. these professions are passed paternally - it is expected that a child will take up the profession of his/her father (or at least take a profession related to his father's), as taking up a different profession would warrant spending time away from the family to learn from a different clan.
In addition to professions, elements of name structure are also passed paternally. Children are usually given names which start with the same letter as their father's name, and In some cases the name will contain the first letter of the father's name and the last letter of the mother's (Anya + Martin = Mina). It is considered acceptable to re-use the same name as one of your ancestors as long as he is three generations behind you (a child can be given his great-grandfather's name, but not that of his grandfather or younger). Like all rules, exceptions to these do exist.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 10, 2010, 12:58:35 am
YAYY BACKSTORY
Post by: Fault on May 10, 2010, 01:09:18 am
and then there's the bits mid-story where I still haven't completely planned out how to get from beginning to end
it balances out, I guess.
Post by: Fault on May 15, 2010, 06:55:46 pm
In which the door to the temple is finally revealed.
Nothing that interesting happens in this page... it's kinda just stuff I need to get out of the way before the BIG EVENTFUL STUFF occurs.
which will occur... VERY SOON
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 15, 2010, 06:58:46 pm
Post by: Diablous on May 15, 2010, 07:02:54 pm
Post by: SolarShado on May 15, 2010, 11:10:27 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on May 15, 2010, 11:26:38 pm
Post by: Fault on May 16, 2010, 12:02:17 am
What was that "click"? The doors hitting the walls or something inside?it's probably just the door's locking mechanism. Of course, it could be the sound of spike traps arming, but it's probably nothing.
It seems I have stumbled upon this thread. Awesome work.thanks. I put a link to the thread in the comic description - Hopefully it will draw more people to the thread.
Post by: Sensei on May 16, 2010, 12:23:17 am
heh, yeah there are aspects of the EFFIGIES mythos that I've put like HOURS of thought into making them really elaborate and interesting, and other bits of story where they've just been snap decisions like "oh yeah and then this should happen"Heh, my stories usually involve a bit of a deconstruction of existing mythos, then some whimsical details I make up, then me ruthlessly deconstructing those. :)
and then there's the bits mid-story where I still haven't completely planned out how to get from beginning to end
it balances out, I guess.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 16, 2010, 12:26:04 am
That roadblock is Effigies and tons of other roadblocks.
Post by: Fault on May 16, 2010, 01:37:29 am
Hehe, I've hit a roadblock while writing my story.
That roadblock is Effigies and tons of other roadblocks.
I'm... umm... glad that my work is keeping you from making progress?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 16, 2010, 01:38:21 am
Post by: Solifuge on May 17, 2010, 10:10:26 am
If you'd care for a critique:
You've got a really strong sense of shape and style, and your color choice for characters and scenes is quite nice too. However, the coloration/shading itself has the feel of using a gradient, which makes everything look pillowy, and detracts from the style. Work on using shadows to suggest shape where and when needed, rather than putting them on the bottom edge or underside of things.
I'd say that, and trust your lines more! I can tell you've got images for these guys in your mind, but I get the impression that you sometimes struggle to recreate them as they exist in your head, and keep on doing lines over and over again until they look "right". Maybe you'd find it a helpful exercise to doodle for a bit, but draw figures using only one continuous line, without pausing or erasing? It's a good way to command a better control of the lines you're working with, and increase brain-pen fluidity.
Post by: Fault on May 17, 2010, 01:35:20 pm
If you'd care for a critique:please do! I'm always interested in improving my work.
However, the coloration/shading itself has the feel of using a gradient, which makes everything look pillowy, and detracts from the style.I'm beginning to dislike the gradient style of shading too. Right now each colour has four levels of brightness, but I'm thinking of shortening it to 2 or 3 once the second chapter rolls around (which should be within a few pages!)
I'd say that, and trust your lines more! I can tell you've got images for these guys in your mind, but I get the impression that you sometimes struggle to recreate them as they exist in your head, and keep on doing lines over and over again until they look "right". Maybe you'd find it a helpful exercise to doodle for a bit, but draw figures using only one continuous line, without pausing or erasing? It's a good way to command a better control of the lines you're working with, and increase brain-pen fluidity.I think those are called continuous line contours. they're a very effective practice method... I should do them more often.
On a technical standpoint, however, I've noticed that the method I use to resize my pages tends to make the lines look very pixellated. To combat this I'm thinking of editing the pages of chapter two in a higher resolution than those of chapter one and the prologue.
Post by: Deon on May 17, 2010, 03:19:34 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2010, 08:06:10 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on May 17, 2010, 08:13:57 pm
Post by: Fault on May 17, 2010, 08:21:17 pm
okay... come chapter two, I'll stick with the resolution that makes them look pixel-y, but I'll use a less gradient-y colouring style.
but I don't want to end up as one of those artist who excuses shoddy work with "IT'S MY STYLE THAT MAKES IT OKAY".
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on May 17, 2010, 08:24:14 pm
Post by: Fault on May 17, 2010, 08:28:20 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2010, 08:28:25 pm
I like some of the scratchy lines and few hanging pixels though.
Post by: Fault on May 17, 2010, 08:40:31 pm
Example:
in the prologue, the world is new to the reader - the colours are very bright and vibrant, and the linework tends toward sharp shapes or vague, sweeping curves.
In chapter one, the setting should be becoming more familiar. The colour grows more subdued as natural tones take over the vivid hues of the prologue. Linework also becomes more focused on little details rather than on the big picture.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on May 17, 2010, 08:44:56 pm
Post by: Fault on May 20, 2010, 11:11:03 pm
update's gonna be a little late this weekend - I'm going camping tomorrow, so I'm not gonna have computer access until monday. I'll get it right done and uploaded as soon as I can once I'm back.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 21, 2010, 11:34:09 am
Post by: Fault on May 24, 2010, 06:00:37 pm
my home computer has suffered a BAD_POOL_CALLER error, rendering it unuseable until the memory leak/bad driver is repaired.
EXPECT FURTHER DELAYS until I get this sorted out.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 24, 2010, 06:05:12 pm
Post by: Fault on May 24, 2010, 06:07:19 pm
Post by: Kagus on May 24, 2010, 08:42:13 pm
"Oh? You're sure it's not a spaghetti problem?"
Post by: Outcast Orange on May 25, 2010, 09:57:43 am
Post by: Sensei on May 25, 2010, 10:31:24 am
Post by: Fault on May 25, 2010, 01:28:49 pm
attempts to remedy the problem through reinstall of the user interface have apparently cause the BAD_POOL_CALLER_ERROR to digivolve into a FATAL_SYSTEM_ERROR. Now I must backup my files, wipe my drive, and reinstall my operating system.
EXPECT FURTHER DELAY
Post by: Fault on June 01, 2010, 08:13:26 pm
in which some enter the temple, and some are denied entry.
I don't know if my scanner is buggy, but for some reason this page came out a lot smaller than the others. I will try to remedy this by the time I post the next page.
Post by: Diablous on June 01, 2010, 08:16:31 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 02, 2010, 03:30:17 am
Post by: Fault on June 06, 2010, 02:32:12 am
In which our heroes first witness the splendour of the long forgotten temple.
I'm thinking of elaborating on human religion soon, in a similar fashion to the way I elaborated on their naming system.
Post by: Sensei on June 06, 2010, 10:36:55 pm
"These humans only worship one god. Can you believe it?"
"Man, if I had to decide between the god of magma and the god of rubies, I just don't think I could handle it."
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 06, 2010, 10:51:27 pm
See if yeh can't do it within the comic- ideally, subtly so. Well, or not.Heh. I'd sig it, but there's an Aqizzar quote I don't wanna remove.
"These humans only worship one god. Can you believe it?"
"Man, if I had to decide between the god of magma and the god of rubies, I just don't think I could handle it."
Post by: Red Fortune on June 08, 2010, 08:38:26 am
Heh. I'd sig it, but there's an Aqizzar quote I don't wanna remove.
Beat 'ya to it.
Loving the comic, Fault, btw! I'm going to be starting on mine again very soon (exams almost over)
Post by: eerr on June 08, 2010, 08:53:15 am
"Well sir, it's either a software problem or a hardware problem"If it's a spagetti problem, then truely we are all screwed.
"Oh? You're sure it's not a spaghetti problem?"
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 09, 2010, 11:39:34 pm
Post by: Fault on June 10, 2010, 01:48:48 am
Spoiler: Human Religion (click to show/hide)
It's like, 11:47 at night, so I'm kinda scatter-brained right now. I may have repeated or contradicted myself... if anything doesn't make sense, please point it out to me so I can remedy it!
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2010, 11:56:20 am
some could say that years of misinterpretation and desperation have caused the religion to devolve into an over-elaborate fire cult
Some could say that this is both awesome and hilarious.
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 11, 2010, 03:12:00 am
I'd be overjoyed to hear just a rudimentary briefing on the Age of War and the nature of magic.
Enough praise! More remedies!
The Age of War, beset by the goblins worshipping the Black Goddess, if I understand it correctly? And barbarian hordes too, it seems. The Saviour's teachings promoted reason and tolerance in a Crapsack World, am I right? Did he value peace highly too? It might not be a problem at all if he didn't, its just that the saviour both spread good will and amassed the greatest military power ever since the The Golden Age. He proceeded to kick the goblins 'til they curbed, at the price of his own life in the end. I think it looks like he was partly a religious leader, partly a military one. Not that there's anything wrong at all with it, I'm just notifying. Then again, The God and what he represent are in that same duality, so... :D
The incomplete book is interesting, and its a nice touch that it was even a bit of an instruction manual for life. Are there a lot of different variants and dissidents of the faith? Logically, it should; unless there is a strong organization that regulates what can be said and what cannot. Since the book was incomplete, there should be several ways to interpret the saviour's tolerance and reason. Even if there is a strong "church" that goes down on rogue upstarts; even if there is, there could be dissident factions that "spreads the truth underground".
The exact nature of the Age of Reason isn't told, and I think that's because you don't want to write a lengthy text of it too, just after finishing this one. :D Still, was it just an age of peace, or were there more "modern" improvements that the epithet suggest? Why exactly did the dwarves and elves leave the Keep, why not live with the humans instead? Did a few elves and humans actually stay with them? Weren't the dwarves and elves a bit pissed off about the humans automatically taking control of the citadel? If I was a dwarf, I would :P Did the construction of the Keep have a more pragmatic purpose? As I understand it, Man had lived underground for centuries and now sought to reclaim the overworld.
The map you supplemented in the first page of Effigies, does it show the entire continent? And do- Okay. Maybe I really ought not to bombard you with questions... I thank you in advance for any that you can answer :) You're doing great, Fault.
Post by: eerr on June 11, 2010, 09:38:05 am
Post by: Fault on June 11, 2010, 10:11:17 am
HERE WE GO
Do you want to draw parallels to the Christ, someone else, or do you want to keep the saviour completely without influence of real-world messiahs?well he's quite obviously a christ figure (with some Joan of Arc elements), but if you know any other messianic figures I could draw inspiration from, that'd be great. You know, to add some variety to his influences.
The Age of War, beset by the goblins worshipping the Black Goddess, if I understand it correctly? And barbarian hordes too, it seems.The black goddess worshippers were human - they were a separate force from the Goblin Hordes.
AGRESSORS DURING AGE OF WAR: Human/Dwarven Barbarians, Goblin hordes, Elven Cannibals, Human Cultists.
The Saviour's teachings promoted reason and tolerance in a Crapsack World, am I right? Did he value peace highly too?Yes, peace was always his intended goal. He may have been a bit flawed in his methods, though.
I think it looks like he was partly a religious leader, partly a military one. Not that there's anything wrong at all with it, I'm just notifying. Then again, The God and what he represent are in that same duality, so...Pragmatism is a big part of his leading style. He knows that while he can convert many to his side through teaching, there are some who would prove unreasonable and must be dealt with through military action.
its a nice touch that it was even a bit of an instruction manual for life.I tried to keep it away from being all about superstitious religous practices... the Saviour was only teaching the intelligent races how to survive and prosper, not how to live their personal lives (aside from fundamental guidelines about courtesy and tolerance, there's no list of sins or elaborations of right and wrong)
Are there a lot of different variants and dissidents of the faith? Logically, it should; unless there is a strong organization that regulates what can be said and what cannot. Since the book was incomplete, there should be several ways to interpret the saviour's tolerance and reason. Even if there is a strong "church" that goes down on rogue upstarts; even if there is, there could be dissident factions that "spreads the truth underground".You could say there are two general factions of man: those who follow the saviour's lifestyle of reason and rationality (but do not follow his word religously), and those who actually revere the saviour as a divine being (these being the ones who thought up his divine father and all those fire-based traditions)
there is really no regulation on who can believe what. Something like this would be hard to manage in-story seeing as humanity coexists with elves and dwarves, both of whom have different religous beliefs! (not to mention any remaining humans who choose to follow "pagan" beliefs)
Still, was it just an age of peace, or were there more "modern" improvements that the epithet suggest?Yes, it was basically an age of peace with modern improvements. (there is limited understanding of gunpowder weaponry, for one)
Why exactly did the dwarves and elves leave the Keep, why not live with the humans instead?It is simply their way - elves and dwarves, being very long-lived races, are not all that comfortable with making drastic changes to their living style. Elves live in forests, humans live in cities, dwarves live in mountains - that's just the way it's always been.
Did a few elves and dwarves actually stay with them?Yes. See the "races" category in the original post - it describes "hill dwarves" and "half elves" as dissidents from their race who chose to live as humans.
Did the construction of the Keep have a more pragmatic purpose?It was essentially a centerpiece for the alliance to build their new society around - the towns surrounding it serve as trading hubs, among other purposes.
The map you supplemented in the first page of Effigies, does it show the entire continent?I probably should have elaborated on this earlier... no.
the actual continent is far larger than the area inhabited by the remnants of the alliance. The kingdoms of the mortal races once spanned a continent about the size of the americas - but so many died during the age of war. The sparse populations left over are pathetically small compared to their size during the age of peace.
Right now, the combined numbers of elves, dwarves and men barely reach 100,000. It is a bittersweet existence: the world is at peace, but so much has been lost to attain that peace. Only a tiny percent of the continent is civilized - the rest is covered by "the great wild", which is a lot larger than the chapter one map implies (most citizens are unaware of how big the world really is)
Post by: Fault on June 12, 2010, 10:16:14 pm
In which Josef's overeagreness once again brings disaster to the party.
How's the pacing? I'm not going too fast am I?
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 12, 2010, 11:36:12 pm
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 13, 2010, 03:03:38 am
Your answers and reasons are clever, and I'm not trying to flatter you! The reason why the Keep fell in human hands makes perfect sense when considering that it was run by human cultist, and that the other races simply wouldn't (normally) live in cities. Bad research on my part, not noticing the halfelves and hill dwarves... I'm now satisfied at the moment :P
Regarding the saviour: I think its novel, which is good, that you made him so void of superstition and rational. Or so he seemed to be, if not listening to the fire-cultists :P Other inspirations besides the Christ and Joan D'arc, who is a borderline messiah herself, would be.... Andraste! Or not really. The Dragon Age mythos isn't all that expansive on her, unfortunately. I still think it's funny that she share the same inspirations, namely the Christ and D'arc. :P On a more serious note; the existing messiahs of our world is a bit too ...esoteric, I fear. But I think you could find some things interesting in Buddha, the Saoshyant and Origen Adamantius. The Mahdi and Bahá'u'lláh is just way too dissimilar to be of an use... Anyway, it's a lot of damn work going through just the basic elaborations of them. I've no bloody idea why I did anymore xD I will just direct to a place that I take it you already know of. ;D
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MessianicArchetype (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MessianicArchetype)
...Just work on it between the updates, you lazy Acanthus. 8)
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 13, 2010, 03:11:10 am
(school/webcomics/random writans on the intarwebs)
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME AND MY LAZY ASS?!
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 13, 2010, 03:34:05 am
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2010, 04:20:46 am
I think its novel, which is good, that you made him so void of superstition and rational. Or so he seemed to be, if not listening to the fire-cultists
the whole idea was that without a clear leader the alliance really fell apart. The dwarves and elves fled to their respective domains, and some branches of humanity even started to drift away from the collective of the keep (the Outlanders in the prologue map, for example).
In all the 200 or so years that the age of reason has lasted, humanity has remained as nothing more than autonomous collectives who rarely communicate outside of trading. There's not been a King of men for nigh on two centuries... their once great empire is in a truly tragic decline.
would be.... Andraste! Or not really.last I checked that character was pretty much based on Joan of Arc.
Have I told you that this is awesome and its preventing me from getting any work done on that story I was talking about?yes, you have told me this.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 13, 2010, 04:23:15 am
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2010, 04:31:09 am
Spoiler: other depressing elements of this world (click to show/hide)
EDIT: BTW acanthus, I'm sending you some more plot information soon, for feedback.
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on June 13, 2010, 06:01:39 am
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2010, 03:52:16 pm
see if you can recognize the colour of the eyes peering out from behind the Hill.
Also, William is really off-model on this page.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 14, 2010, 01:35:07 am
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone in Effigies actually bothers getting out of bed.Man this is one hell of a crapsack world.
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 14, 2010, 02:33:58 am
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone in Effigies actually bothers getting out of bed.Man this is one hell of a crapsack world.
Ever heard of Warhammer 40k? ;)
Also, the blade of the (assumed leader) kobold in #14.. Is it bronze?
would be.... Andraste! Or not really.last I checked that character was pretty much based on Joan of Arc.
Yeah, hence the 'Not really.' But Andraste has a truckload of Christ-influences too. Her role within the Chantry is clear-cut messianic in the way of his, and she also sacrificed herself for her people. Her remains are so significant that they're basically the Holy Grail of Thedas :D
Oh! What happened to the body of the saviour after his death? "Two hundred years later, there are shady merchants selling the authentic fingerbone of the saviour. Apparently he had thirteen fingers. On each hand. xD)
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 14, 2010, 02:36:32 am
But man, I just gotta, say it again.
Poor poor effigies people.
Post by: Fault on June 14, 2010, 03:08:45 am
Also, the blade of the (assumed leader) kobold in #14.. Is it bronze?Probably copper, or another really cheap metal. You mean the guy with the blue hat right? Blue hat Kobold is indeed their leader.
Oh! What happened to the body of the saviour after his death? "Two hundred years later, there are shady merchants selling the authentic fingerbone of the saviour. Apparently he had thirteen fingers. On each hand. xD)see here:
but all agree on the methods - his throat was slit and his body was burned to ash.so it'd be less merchants peddling his fingerbones and more merchant peddling vials of "the true ash" or whatever you'd call it.
But man, I just gotta, say it again.ooh, I remembered another depressing/interesting aspect of the world: In the Effigies setting, Red apples (referred to as "Scarlets" in-story) are a rare delicacy. The cheapest form of apple is the "russet", which is soft, brown, and bland. A more uncommon variant is the "Garnet", a yellow apple with a more sour flavour. But proper red apples are very rare and very expensive.
Poor poor effigies people.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 14, 2010, 03:25:56 am
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on June 14, 2010, 03:52:33 am
Jesus Christ. Those poor bastards.
ooh, I remembered another depressing/interesting aspect of the world: In the Effigies setting, Red apples (referred to as "Scarlets" in-story) are a rare delicacy. The cheapest form of apple is the "russet", which is soft, brown, and bland. A more uncommon variant is the "Garnet", a yellow apple with a more sour flavour. But proper red apples are very rare and very expensive.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 14, 2010, 10:18:24 am
Post by: Fault on June 14, 2010, 04:35:10 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 14, 2010, 04:57:16 pm
THERE ARE NO DOGS YOU SICK FUCK
/jk
Post by: Fault on June 14, 2010, 05:05:43 pm
oh and I totally didn't make dogs extinct just cause I'm bad at drawing them :P
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 14, 2010, 05:12:56 pm
Post by: Deon on June 14, 2010, 05:39:31 pm
Like, "oh, someone is about to activate a trap again" *facepalm*.
Post by: Fault on June 14, 2010, 06:02:24 pm
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 04:30:57 am
Post by: Fault on June 16, 2010, 05:00:11 pm
I also have to write up something about Dwarven Religion as well...
Post by: Fault on June 20, 2010, 04:27:46 pm
Post by: Diablous on June 20, 2010, 04:33:04 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 20, 2010, 04:41:44 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 21, 2010, 05:56:16 pm
Post by: Deon on June 21, 2010, 08:27:12 pm
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2010, 09:34:07 pm
I really love the depressed, sad and helpless look on William's face on the last picture. You are an amazing character-artist, Fault.thanks. I was actually worried that his face wouldn't look serious enough (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm), or.. however you'd describe it.
I mean obviously he has to look sad, but not to the point where'd he'd be excessively emotional. A sort of quiet, bleak despair, considering the magnitude of what he has lost.
Why the hell would the idiot touch the statue anyways? Always avoid statues in creepy dungeons, it's rule #6 in the Adventurers Useful Handbook!Josef isn't really the kinda guy who'd prepare for anything by reading.
Post by: Org on June 21, 2010, 09:40:32 pm
Wanna hear about the time my uncle saw a wolfbear?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 21, 2010, 09:41:16 pm
Hopefully still alive.
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2010, 10:01:45 pm
Spoiler: Dwarven Religion (click to show/hide)
Post by: Org on June 21, 2010, 10:14:02 pm
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2010, 10:16:35 pm
I kinda rushed it cause I said I'd have it out about a week ago.
Post by: Sensei on June 21, 2010, 10:58:50 pm
I might contribute a little more later, but it's your mythos.
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2010, 11:11:32 pm
however, some things I have to keep intentionally vague; there are certain details about Effigies cosmology that I am not revealing just yet (particularily the mechanics of how the Dwarven Pantheon exists simultaneously with the other religous figures)
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 22, 2010, 12:31:43 am
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 12:37:47 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 22, 2010, 12:39:47 am
:D
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 12:42:35 am
that reminds me, I still have to send MAJOR PLOT POINT TWO to you guys.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 22, 2010, 01:10:11 am
(particularily the mechanics of how the Dwarven Pantheon exists simultaneously with the other religous figures)This. A common issue. Deal with it in an uncommon way.
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 01:19:59 am
that issue is one of the few things I have actually bothered to sort out!
but elaborating on it would reveal extremely pivotal information about the larger scale of the Effigies world, so it shall have to wait.
EDIT: I have added a progress tab to the original post, which details how far I am into making and colouring new pages.
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 02:54:32 am
not much happens on this page, considering it's just a map!
also, I have currently coloured two panels of page #16.
Post by: Org on June 22, 2010, 08:38:58 am
Some are questions. Some are criticism.Spoiler: Dwarven Religion (click to show/hide)
Are the God of Thunder and the God of Storm the same thing? Usually when one race is created by a god, they usually worship him most of all.
God of Thunder. Very Cliche. If they war so much, they might have a God of War as there lead god. Or something. You siad they were strongest during war.
The saviour. For the humans. You have no time for the arrival of him. About how many years since the start of the point in Effigies was he born? Does he know he is the saviour? Is he immortal? Is he worshipped? I can't remember if this part was in the human religion part. Like if it said anything about it.
Very strange... The priest class dwindles down. Yet, if you take an example like religion in real life, no God or god has contacted anyone in millenniums, yet there are still many priests.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on June 22, 2010, 11:41:29 am
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 01:58:38 pm
God of Thunder. Very Cliche. If they war so much, they might have a God of War as there lead god. Or something. You siad they were strongest during war.yes, perhaps their lead god should be associated with a different aspect. however, one element I have to keep is that the pantheon was started by that one god, and all the others who came after him were dead dwarves that he raised to godhood.
The saviour. For the humans. You have no time for the arrival of him. About how many years since the start of the point in Effigies was he born? Does he know he is the saviour? Is he immortal? Is he worshipped? I can't remember if this part was in the human religion part. Like if it said anything about it.this was all explained in the Human Religion>history tab.
Very strange... The priest class dwindles down. Yet, if you take an example like religion in real life, no God or god has contacted anyone in millenniums, yet there are still many priests.dwarves treat religion a little differently than man. They take their relationship with the gods a lot more literally, considering that almost all of their gods were once dwarves themselves. It is a bit of an equal partnership - if the gods no longer help/communicate with the dwarves, then the dwarves no longer offer them any worship or aknowledgement.
my main issue is that an underground race would worship a deity linked to the sky they rarely see. dwarves would be better off worshiping earth itself, or have a pantheon linked to the different metals and alloys. in bronze battle axe, a forum rp i was hosting some months ago, i had my bronze age dwarves worshiping mother earth malachite, and father cassiterite, parents of bronze, the god of war. then the usurper god of blood, hematite, showed upyou have a lot of good Ideas. I will definitely have to find a better aspect to associate the chief of the pantheon with.
Post by: Maggarg - Eater of chicke on June 22, 2010, 02:21:58 pm
Post by: eerr on June 22, 2010, 04:00:28 pm
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 04:31:39 pm
did you even read the "human religion" info box?
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 22, 2010, 06:13:25 pm
God of Thunder. Very Cliche. If they war so much, they might have a God of War as there lead god. Or something. You said they were strongest during war.yes, perhaps their lead god should be associated with a different aspect. however, one element I have to keep is that the pantheon was started by that one god, and all the others who came after him were dead dwarves that he raised to godhood.
Ironically, a God of War would be a ten times more kliché than a God of Thunders. That's not an exaggeration. Then again, would it be weird for dwarves to recognize and worship storms and thunder? Both are weather phenomena found outside, in the sky. The antithesis of the dwarven comfort zone, no question about that. Storms and Thunder are foreign and strange. The sky and stars were, and in some way still are, strange and incomprehensible to us humans. We called our god "Sky-Father", yet we didn't ever live in the sky, did we? I wouldn't think it wrong that dwarves had a god of Thunders or of Storms, as long as they have a modicum of curiosity and have actually seen the sky and outside world and gasped at "the alien world". For them to experience a thunderstorm would be for us to travel to the eye of god! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_God).
Post by: Org on June 22, 2010, 06:17:16 pm
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 06:45:27 pm
Essentially, they were once a subterranean race, but the voice of their god sort of called them upwards. And Dagoth raises a good point about gods being associated with the celestial - I wanted to keep this theme with the dwarves, but have them associated with a more violent and turbulent aspect of the sky than mankind's "Sun God" ideology. As of now, a God of Storms seems most fitting for the historical dwarves (who were a much more warlike race than what they became in the Age of Reason), despite how cliche it may be.
Post by: Outcast Orange on June 22, 2010, 07:16:39 pm
That would explain the celestial disposition.
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2010, 11:58:40 pm
I also fixed up a few face and limb positions that were bothering me.
Although a few of the characters still look quite off-model on this page...
Post by: Dagoth Urist on June 23, 2010, 07:07:14 pm
If you don't know what or who Dagoth Ur is yet, you should look it up.
That would explain the celestial disposition.
Agreed. Everyone should know who Lord Voryn Dagoth is! ...But how does it explain my celestial disposition?
the thing about Effigies Dwarves that differentiates them from Dwarf Fortress dwarves is that they are not associated with the deep underground as much as they are with high mountain peaks. (I should probably have elaborated on this earlier!)
Essentially, they were once a subterranean race, but the voice of their god sort of called them upwards. And Dagoth raises a good point about gods being associated with the celestial - I wanted to keep this theme with the dwarves, but have them associated with a more violent and turbulent aspect of the sky than mankind's "Sun God" ideology. As of now, a God of Storms seems most fitting for the historical dwarves (who were a much more warlike race than what they became in the Age of Reason), despite how cliche it may be.
High mountain peaks.. They live in mountains, which makes them closer to heaven than other beings. Id est; closer to the gods. Brilliant! Apropos, how deep down goes the dwarven buildings usually?
Post by: Fault on June 23, 2010, 09:15:09 pm
how deep down goes the dwarven buildings usually?
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/worldmap-bakar.png)
Well, most of the older (now abandoned) Mountain Halls extended far underground, but Mt. Bakar, being a (relatively) new settlement, does not occupy very much of the mountain's volume. Most of the mountain city (residential and work areas) is dug out of the areas just below the peak of the mountain. And although there are subterranean tunnels that extend downwards for the purpose of mineral and gem excavation (and for the pumping of magma from subterranean chambers), these tunnels are not occupied as much as they would be in an older mountain hall.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on June 23, 2010, 09:16:10 pm
Post by: Fault on June 23, 2010, 09:23:16 pm
EDIT: he just hasn't really done anything yet.
Post by: Sensei on June 23, 2010, 10:48:54 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 24, 2010, 07:14:19 pm
Post by: Org on June 24, 2010, 07:38:51 pm
Post by: Fault on June 30, 2010, 05:48:39 pm
in which a dialogue occurs, accompanied by some minimalistic art.
sorry about the delay, I was working on some paintings for a cousin during the majority of last week.
Post by: Org on June 30, 2010, 05:59:40 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 30, 2010, 06:00:33 pm
AND PICKLES
Post by: Diablous on June 30, 2010, 06:05:08 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on June 30, 2010, 06:51:13 pm
Post by: Sensei on July 05, 2010, 01:59:01 am
Update soon? Are we going to care about the Ogre? Will someone tell us to believe in them who believes in you? Will Will escape from the rubble? Did I confuse Will and Josef?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on July 05, 2010, 03:34:42 am
I'm having computer troubles again. This time it's either a motherboard problem or a missinng driver file.
expect delays.
Post by: Fault on July 07, 2010, 05:29:31 pm
I temporarily had my computer in running condition, and I was hoping to get a page out some time today, but it just bluescreened on me...
So I'm back to square one here. the wait will be... a little longer.
Post by: Org on July 07, 2010, 05:35:44 pm
Oh no, that sounds bad.
Post by: Mephansteras on July 07, 2010, 05:41:13 pm
...Although it's kind of funny when I imagine your avatar saying it, especially with the quote underneath.
Post by: SolarShado on July 08, 2010, 03:50:22 am
Post by: NRN_R_Sumo1 on July 08, 2010, 04:35:23 am
Post by: Fault on July 08, 2010, 11:21:54 am
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/DISSAPOINT.png)(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/balls.png)
Post by: Karnewarrior on July 08, 2010, 11:51:48 pm
Post by: Fault on July 13, 2010, 11:07:20 pm
in which the party contemplates their current circumstances.
I used a different font than usual... you see my computer's in repair right now, so I'm borrowing an older computer, and it doesn't have copperplate gothic on it's font data!
Post by: Fault on July 26, 2010, 05:40:06 pm
I've been focusing on colouring released pages rather than making new pages at the moment.
I figure summer is a good time to catch up, as most people would be out doors rather than staying inside reading webcomics.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on July 27, 2010, 05:39:17 pm
I figure summer is a good time to catch up, as most people would be out doors rather than staying inside reading webcomics.
you're wrong >:(, "outside" makes me vomit.
Post by: SolarShado on July 27, 2010, 09:13:42 pm
I figure summer is a good time to catch up, as most people would be out doors rather than staying inside reading webcomics.
you're wrong >:(, "outside"makes me vomitit way to friggin' humid.
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 28, 2010, 12:21:11 am
Post by: Fault on July 31, 2010, 01:15:13 am
I recently broke out of a bit of artist's block I'd been having... so I might try to get some work done on a new page rather than colour more old ones.
oh, and I still have to send some plot points to Josh and Acanthus for feedback...
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 31, 2010, 01:53:52 am
Post by: Fault on July 31, 2010, 02:03:50 am
EDIT: I was busy most of today, so I tried to get a little of it written a couple hours ago. But then I hit the backspace key while the cursor was out of the text box, and lost all that I had typed... :'( and by now it's too late to try and start again. I guess I'll do it the next day...
Post by: Fault on August 04, 2010, 10:11:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 04, 2010, 10:14:26 pm
Post by: Sensei on August 07, 2010, 05:53:20 pm
Post by: Fault on August 08, 2010, 03:55:48 pm
they're really more like epaulettes than pauldrons.
Post by: Fault on August 11, 2010, 12:55:00 am
in which some minor tensions arise over the party's current circumstances.
I recently got a fancy new computer (windows 7) but the paint program it uses has been a little difficult... for one thing I can't make borderlines as thin as usual (without individually altering them) and it is severely limited in terms of fonts. It doesn't even have bookman old style!
I'm thinking of just installing windows XP paint from some older software...
Post by: Sensei on August 11, 2010, 01:53:51 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on August 11, 2010, 05:50:22 pm
Post by: Fault on August 11, 2010, 06:58:35 pm
Old paint had about six... it was a much better variety.
Personally I preferred having panel borders that were two pixels thick, but new paint goes right from one pixel thick to four pixels thick.
Post by: SolarShado on August 11, 2010, 09:08:11 pm
I haven't used the new paint, but iirc, you could get single pixel increments that way before (XP i think)
Post by: Kagus on August 12, 2010, 08:45:20 pm
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/worldmap-bakar.png)(http://www.eternal-legend.com/thief/img/2map1.jpg)
First thing I thought of.
Post by: Fault on September 02, 2010, 01:29:02 am
in which William reveals shocking new information to Olin.
I'm starting to get the hang of Windows 7 Paint.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 02, 2010, 01:42:11 pm
Post by: Armok on September 02, 2010, 02:23:41 pm
Post by: Sensei on September 02, 2010, 06:23:32 pm
Also cool, I thought this was dead. Let's see that the thread stays up for a while to remind everyone it's here (and remind Fault that he needs to update it!)
Post by: Diablous on September 02, 2010, 08:23:32 pm
still folowing this.
Same here.
Post by: Fault on September 02, 2010, 11:22:46 pm
Glad to see you're still working on this!
Also cool, I thought this was dead.
yeah... it's way too easy to get sidetracked and forget things during the summer months. Expect Updates to be far more frequent in the near future!
I think the art quality in this latest strip is better than the last one.
thanks. I've been trying to pay more attention to consistency and detail (particularly with the shapes of noses... they used to be quite inconsistent in the prologue and chapter one)
Post by: Acanthus117 on September 02, 2010, 11:25:08 pm
YOU MAY CONTINUE, MY PEON
Post by: Red Fortune on September 05, 2010, 02:45:13 pm
Just thought I'd let you know.
Post by: Fault on September 06, 2010, 04:42:59 am
Spoiler: goblin (click to show/hide)
I'm trying to sort out the aesthetic for non-military goblins (I've been putting a lot of thought into civilian characters lately). an important idea for his outfit is that it has no pockets - all of his possessions are either hung from chains or stuffed in amongst the many belts he has wrapped around his scavenged clothes (I think these elements help to emphasize the thief-like nature of the race)
EDIT: I went and made a version with his colour scheme being less vivid.
Post by: Red Fortune on September 06, 2010, 04:25:53 pm
Post by: Fault on September 10, 2010, 10:51:39 pm
I guess this is considered concept art, since this panel probably won't appear in the comic for a bit.
Spoiler: Shift (click to show/hide)
THIS is what I want Chapter two to look like once coloured.
Post by: Acanthus117 on September 11, 2010, 12:31:32 am
((and dat non-wimpy elf. Woah man Shift's cool))
Post by: Fault on September 11, 2010, 12:49:47 am
Woah man Shift's cool
that reminds me... at some point I should send you and Josh some some plot information...
Shift is going to have a very important role in chapter three.
Post by: Acanthus117 on September 11, 2010, 12:51:28 am
I like being plot-looker-man.
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 11, 2010, 08:16:43 am
Post by: Mephansteras on September 11, 2010, 03:36:46 pm
Post by: Fault on September 16, 2010, 06:42:58 pm
In which William snaps out of his depression long enough to (hopefully) get shit done
Sorry this update took a little longer than expected...
Post by: Acanthus117 on September 17, 2010, 12:43:13 am
Post by: Fault on September 22, 2010, 08:30:37 pm
but I'm super busy for the rest of today, so in the mean time have some concept art of a troll
Spoiler: large image (click to show/hide)
Post by: Org on September 22, 2010, 08:31:30 pm
That is amazing!
Post by: Fault on September 22, 2010, 08:54:40 pm
but I was kinda just trying to sort out his colour scheme, anyway.
....now that I think about it he should be more of a cold grey than a warm grey
Post by: Acanthus117 on September 22, 2010, 08:59:50 pm
OH MY LORD
Post by: Armok on September 23, 2010, 08:08:44 am
Post by: Sensei on September 23, 2010, 06:58:34 pm
Anyway dunno about the left arm.
Post by: Fault on September 23, 2010, 10:46:04 pm
in which William appears to be getting it together
I think I used a different pen on the last page... the lineart was a lot less thick on #40...
Post by: Techhead on October 03, 2010, 03:32:28 am
I kinda wish you were more regular with the updates, but the same could be said about over half the webcomics I read, so it doesn't bother me too much.
Keep up the good work!
Post by: Fault on October 04, 2010, 09:58:09 pm
It's a bit of a trade-off... my work gets better, but I have less time to update this project.
I haven't forgotten about it though, page #42 is currently at the "pencil sketch" stage.
Post by: Sensei on October 05, 2010, 08:25:14 pm
medium and stylistic experiments with this other group of artists.You should post it in the engravers guild.
Post by: Fault on October 09, 2010, 04:48:32 am
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/panel.png)
it is 3AM so I'm afraid I'm going to have to stop working on the page for today. Expect it to be completed some time tomorrow.
Post by: OmnipotentGrue on October 09, 2010, 04:55:02 am
Post by: Fault on October 10, 2010, 04:05:29 am
in which a chekhov's gun is fired, and the plot actually starts building towards something.
man, sorry about having like.. 1 update over 2 weeks. I really gotta get back in to my groove, and return to weekly updates...
Post by: Mephansteras on October 11, 2010, 12:01:06 pm
Post by: Fault on October 13, 2010, 01:27:01 am
Spoiler: Rook the Goblin King (click to show/hide)
Most of the changes were made to his armour. I thought it looked too elaborate for a warrior king, so I toned down the details for a more gritty look. I also tried to give it a more consistent colour scheme, only using greys and blues instead of all those gold highlights (I kept those for his earrings though)
That, and I made some changes to his skin colour and beard shape. His hair also looks more like a faded purple than a warm grey... perhaps going with the fact that DF 2010 goblins have all those outlandish hair colours.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 13, 2010, 09:03:24 am
Post by: Fault on October 13, 2010, 09:24:37 am
he's kind of hunched over in the top image. Were he standing straight up, there would be less... uh.. foreshortening. Also he would have a neck.
It's just that I've been trying to do more dynamic poses. A lot of my old work just had guys kinda standing around doing nothing, and that gets boring.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 13, 2010, 10:30:48 am
Post by: Fault on October 13, 2010, 01:33:06 pm
You know I'll try to keep him more in proportion on the actual pages of the comic.
and while that concept art was more about finalizing his outfit, I shouldn't have taken that as an excuse to throw out the laws of perspective, I guess.
EDIT: more concept art
Spoiler: goblins and trolls (click to show/hide)
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 13, 2010, 05:19:43 pm
Post by: Fault on October 13, 2010, 05:27:50 pm
the things they tell him... aren't that good for maintaining a sound mind.
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 13, 2010, 05:28:39 pm
I can't wait for an all out battle between the dwarves and goblins and shit.
Post by: Sensei on October 13, 2010, 05:29:20 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on October 14, 2010, 08:49:14 am
Post by: Fault on October 15, 2010, 08:22:14 pm
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/sad_william.png)
I would love to have the comic look like this... but it would take too much time, and I'm already behind schedule...
Post by: G-Flex on October 15, 2010, 08:26:53 pm
Post by: Fault on October 15, 2010, 08:59:22 pm
text is aliased because I like it that way, without all the edge softness.
Post by: G-Flex on October 15, 2010, 09:03:21 pm
I understand about the text itself, but it honestly makes it a bit weird and MS-Painty to read after a while.
Post by: Fault on October 15, 2010, 09:10:29 pm
Post by: SolarShado on October 15, 2010, 10:37:10 pm
that might be because I make it in MS Paint... :-/
MSpaint4ever \m/ ;)
ninja edited from "MSpain4ever" >_>
Post by: Mephansteras on October 16, 2010, 03:53:52 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 17, 2010, 03:25:27 pm
Post by: Solifuge on October 18, 2010, 12:17:05 am
Post by: Fault on October 18, 2010, 12:39:05 am
On a similar note, is it getting easier to tell the dwarves apart? do you think I should do like... a character model sheet for them, to clear up any confusion?
Post by: Acanthus117 on October 18, 2010, 12:42:16 am
Post by: Sensei on October 18, 2010, 07:52:35 pm
That said, I can mostly tell them apart but i still don't remember their names too well. I think you should have one of them braid their beard if you want them more recognizable.
Post by: Fault on October 20, 2010, 12:33:08 am
In which the party starts the long(?) trek home.
I've switched to a finer Pen since the last page (my old one ran out of ink) so the lines are a little different...
Post by: Sensei on October 20, 2010, 07:21:14 pm
Post by: Fault on October 27, 2010, 01:00:05 am
in which SHIFT GOES HUNTING
my webcomic stats say my update ratio is back to once a week, apparently... hope I can keep it there.
Post by: SolarShado on October 27, 2010, 01:37:07 pm
Post by: Armok on October 27, 2010, 02:01:06 pm
Post by: Fault on October 27, 2010, 07:18:13 pm
Spoiler: dwarven labourers (click to show/hide)
Bad. Ass.
is he killing it with his bare hands? :oI think the alarming part here is how close he got to the deer before it noticed him.
Post by: Mephansteras on October 27, 2010, 07:27:32 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 28, 2010, 11:11:58 pm
Post by: Fault on October 28, 2010, 11:30:36 pm
I think the cloaks hide their breadth, making them look gnome-ish
yeah I hate the cloaks now.
they were kind of like... a lazy way to avoid drawing their entire bodies before I had finalized the design. But now that I have, the cloaks just make them look.. well, as you said, gnome-like. They totally have to lose the cloaks like... really soon.
(although I'm not sure how distinguished they are from behind).Norik has his hair in a pony tail... and Kolgan doesn't. that's about it, for now...
Post by: Sensei on October 28, 2010, 11:35:25 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on October 28, 2010, 11:56:08 pm
and I suppose the dwarves could be discerned by their accessories as well.
but too many times I have the panels dominated solely by their heads... I've been trying to have more of their bodies not end up off-panel as of late.
Post by: Fault on October 29, 2010, 07:26:52 pm
maaan I really don't like going back to my old stuff now that I've like... improved slightly
but it's all part of the "tracking my improvement' process i guess
Post by: Fault on November 01, 2010, 04:32:20 pm
Spoiler: large image (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sensei on November 21, 2010, 12:05:14 am
Post by: Fault on November 21, 2010, 12:33:15 am
I have started using SAI for certain effects.. mostly shiny stuff and transparent backdrops.
still only using binary pixel based tools though.. thinking of switching to the more complex blendy stuff some time in chapter two.
Post by: Sensei on November 21, 2010, 03:17:52 am
Post by: metime00 on November 21, 2010, 01:12:29 pm
Post by: Fault on November 28, 2010, 11:23:52 pm
I'm switching up the order of colouring a bit... at the moment I am focused on getting all black and white pages coloured, regardless of chronology.
I'm still working on new pages, of course.. they're just not as big a priority right now.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2010, 01:17:15 pm
Post by: Fault on December 07, 2010, 07:26:24 pm
Spoiler: large image (click to show/hide)
and the first panel of page #44.. as a teaser, I guess.
Spoiler: still a flashback sequence (click to show/hide)
Post by: Armok on December 07, 2010, 08:05:52 pm
Post by: Fault on December 07, 2010, 08:37:26 pm
I still have older pages that are in greyscale... I used to release new pages in greyscale, and then colour them later.
now, any new pages I release will be in colour, so as to not add to the 20 or so pages I have not coloured yet!
Post by: Ktalyx on December 15, 2010, 05:05:11 pm
Post by: Sensei on December 15, 2010, 07:30:12 pm
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I am skipping the Greyscale stage entirely. From now on, new pages will be released fully coloured.:)
Post by: Fault on December 16, 2010, 07:44:17 pm
Will you release the colored old pages all at once or one by one ?one at a time, as soon as I finish them.
:)of course it takes a little longer than just releasing them in black and white, but in the end it pays off more.
currently I have coloured 6 out of 9 panels on the new page I'm working on.
Post by: Fault on December 19, 2010, 04:42:47 am
in which Shift recounts a strange sighting.
oh and, have some concept art.
Spoiler: the Keep, interior of city walls (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sensei on December 19, 2010, 04:58:16 am
Post by: Fault on December 19, 2010, 05:34:38 am
the other cities surrounded it are exactly as you described... but the Keep has a comparitively low population of permanent residents. As such, it has a lot of problems with finance and upkeep...
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/keeppopulation.png)
Post by: Rose on December 19, 2010, 05:42:21 am
also, that treasure in the temple? it looked like a facepalm
Post by: rarborman on December 19, 2010, 05:46:02 am
the empty space is intentional. The Keep is a religious city... and Faith isn't as strong as it used to be.In such case you should add some natural degradation to it, perhaps some vines and plants and definetly some blatant religious symbols to denote it as a religious city and not a trade city.
the other cities surrounded it are exactly as you described... but the Keep has a comparitively low population of permanent residents. As such, it has a lot of problems with finance and upkeep...
also, that treasure in the temple? it looked like a facepalmAgreed.
Post by: Fault on December 19, 2010, 05:56:17 am
In such case you should add some natural degradation to it, perhaps some vines and plants and definetly some blatant religious symbols to denote it as a religious city and not a trade city.
yes, it will definitely have signs of decay in images that are close enough to have that kind of detail.
also, the torches surmounting most of the buildings are big impractical religious symbols.. humanity having that "degenerate fire cult" and all.
The frequent repetition of three doors or three windows also has a philosophical significance.
Post by: rarborman on December 19, 2010, 06:51:13 am
also, the torches surmounting most of the buildings are big impractical religious symbols.. humanity having that "degenerate fire cult" and all.Then it should probably have more red in it like tattered banners with flame symbols and if the lowest part is in the middle of the city it should have a flame pit of some kind.
Post by: Sensei on December 20, 2010, 02:31:45 am
Actually it's probably whatever... trolls? Orcs? Things the goblins were fooling with.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 20, 2010, 01:46:09 pm
Post by: Fault on December 24, 2010, 03:39:58 am
as for the main comic, I'm focusing on getting page #35 (http://effigies.smackjeeves.com/comics/911085/vengeance/) coloured right now.
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/skybox1.png)
and for behind the scenes stuff, I've recently been working a detailed chart of all the individual villages in "the civilized world" area.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
assuming my printing is legible this should clear up questions about population and industry... but if you're wondering about anything else, please ask.
Post by: rarborman on December 24, 2010, 04:00:29 am
^
I'd really like to see some Mt. Bakar art if you're not too busy.
Post by: Sensei on December 25, 2010, 11:25:41 pm
The others remind me of Alien Hominid/Castle Crashers
Post by: SolarShado on December 26, 2010, 01:30:23 pm
Call me crazy, the the cat with the arrow pointing to it that says "That does not look the least bit like a cat" actually looks most like a cat, out of all of them.
Have to agree with this...
Post by: Fault on December 27, 2010, 01:38:25 am
Call me crazy, the the cat with the arrow pointing to it that says "That does not look the least bit like a cat" actually looks most like a cat, out of all of them.
Have to agree with this...I wouldn't have guessed that the cat scribbles would be the most interesting thing about that map... :-/
^...whoa, you found a way to type the name of that mountain. impressive.
I'd really like to see some Mt. Bakar art if you're not too busy.
Post by: rarborman on December 27, 2010, 10:46:07 am
Also, cats are always more interesting then maps as a rule of thumb.
Post by: Dagoth Urist on December 30, 2010, 06:48:49 pm
But I think that maps are more interesting than cats, though... ;D So, here comes the inquisition:
Did you include people outside the borders of your map when you did the population count? I wonder if there are any other civilizations of mankind out there, that crawled out of the ashes after The Empire fell..
Would the melting pot of Merchant City be considered the unofficial capital of the "civilized" world? Also, can I please have a name for it? :D How urban is Merchant City, specifically in comparison to its two neighbouring cities? All three cities including the Keep is within an area of one square kilometre. Are they considered as one great metropolis to people from, for example, Smithy? I'll assume that Mount Ba...kar isn't much of a melting pot, and can't really compare.
Since you are already acquainted with TvTropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CityOfAdventure
Excelsior, Fault!
Post by: Fault on December 30, 2010, 08:40:17 pm
Page #46 is fully inked and scanned, and I am starting the colouring process as I type.
QUESTIONS
Did you include people outside the borders of your map when you did the population count?"not counting goblins, trolls, kobolds, wildmen, or any others who live in the Wilderness"
I wonder if there are any other civilizations of mankind out there, that crawled out of the ashes after The Empire fell..there are definitely people living outside the borders of the map, a few who will become important later. There are probably not any very large populations adjacent to the "civilized world", though.... but in the far southern reaches of the continent, who knows?
Would the melting pot of Merchant City be considered the unofficial capital of the "civilized" world?As of now the villages exist mostly as self-governed and autonomous, with no real capital. Ever since the events of the Age of War, people have been uneasy to rise to leadership, lest they compare unfavourably to the one who guided them previously. But rest assured, a time of great upheaval is at hand, and soon a new leader will fall into place.
Also, can I please have a name for it? :D How urban is Merchant City, specifically in comparison to its two neighbouring cities?These questions will be answered in due time. Each region on the map will be given focus in the coming chapters.... chapter Two is mainly based in the Great wild for now, but the southern cities will become important in a short while...
All three cities including the Keep is within an area of one square kilometre. Are they considered as one great metropolis to people from, for example, Smithy?In many ways the cities by the coast represent an ideal to the people of the villages and towns. One could go there and become successful and wealthy, but for every success story there are another hundred people who wind up in the crowded ghettos surrounding the city to the east. Maybe it's not worth the risk - you'd probably be better off to stay in your village, where you have a stable, if unglamourous life.
I'll assume that Mount Ba...kar isn't much of a melting pot, and can't really compare.no, all of its permanent residents are dwarves. Or at least, the ones the census accounts for - there are accounts of stranger things wandering the catacombs in the bowels of the mountain.
Post by: Fault on January 10, 2011, 11:19:09 pm
In which we see what some of the other party members have been doing along the way.
This page is larger than others before it.. I had to remote upload it to image shack 'cause the file was too large for smackjeeves to handle.
Post by: Fault on January 19, 2011, 12:19:13 am
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/mansionpreview.png)
the colouring on Page #21 is half-finished, and page #47 is fully inked and ready to scan.
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2011, 01:17:51 pm
Post by: Fault on January 19, 2011, 04:15:22 pm
with all I have planned out (which is a lot) I'd never forgive myself if I gave up on getting it down on paper.
I've just been terribly slow with all the focus on getting b/w pages coloured lately. It's going to be tough for a while, but once I catch up updates will hopefully become more streamlined.
Post by: Darvi on January 19, 2011, 04:16:39 pm
However, those eyes creep me out. Those pupil-less, soulless eyes...*shiver*
Post by: Jervous on January 19, 2011, 04:27:36 pm
Post by: Fault on January 21, 2011, 08:09:31 pm
now you can enjoy the introduction of the Ogre and the Adventurers in all its fully coloured glory.
and I can start working on page #47, at long last...
Post by: Fault on January 30, 2011, 03:47:25 am
To tide you over, here's an interior painting of the Vaults of Mt. Bakar.
Spoiler: large image (click to show/hide)
think of this room as the spoke of a wheel-like structure, located in the industry layer of the fortress. The purpose of this segment is to hold many stockpile warehouses, which are engraved with images of great beasts. Lining the walls are pump structures for transporting water, magma, and other liquids.
Post by: Sensei on January 30, 2011, 03:54:52 am
Post by: Armok on January 30, 2011, 08:13:45 pm
Post by: Fault on January 30, 2011, 11:13:14 pm
Awesome, but the perspective on the stockpiles is really confusing.it really is isn't it? here's a shoddy attempt to work it out..
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/stockpilelayout.png)
So, is that just the radiant glow of the magma we're seeing, or is it behind glass or something?well that and the torches. There could be magma in the other segments of the industry layer, it's glow radiating up off the stone walls and brightening the upper portion of the stockpile vault.
Post by: Fault on February 02, 2011, 11:27:15 pm
In which the party believes they've reached the halfway point in their journey home.
I'm thinking of taking suggestions on which previously posted page I should colour next.
Post by: Rose on February 03, 2011, 12:00:55 am
Post by: Fault on February 17, 2011, 12:46:22 am
Page #48 is in the rough sketch stage at this point, almost ready for inking.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 18, 2011, 02:33:44 pm
Post by: Fault on March 01, 2011, 11:45:09 pm
in which things are starting to come together.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 02, 2011, 01:34:18 pm
Post by: Ricky on March 02, 2011, 04:01:20 pm
Goblins
Post by: Sensei on March 02, 2011, 09:19:20 pm
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Look more like highwaymen to me.I guess this universe suffers from oblivion bandit syndrome, where bandits tramp about in blessed elven armor and rare foreign ebony weapons trying to mug people.
Post by: theMij on March 12, 2011, 07:12:01 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 12, 2011, 07:14:34 pm
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We're Adventurers!Heh.
Post by: SalmonGod on March 12, 2011, 07:15:53 pm
Post by: Ahasver on March 12, 2011, 08:01:18 pm
QuoteLook more like highwaymen to me.I guess this universe suffers from oblivion bandit syndrome, where bandits tramp about in blessed elven armor and rare foreign ebony weapons trying to mug people.
"Where is my sword? Where is my army?"-Goblin King
Perhaps it's more than just a rare foreign shiny blue ebony weapon.
Post by: Fault on March 14, 2011, 12:23:45 am
Although I've gotten back on track since, and the next page's colouring is half finished as of now.
Spoiler: unimpressive preview panel (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 14, 2011, 12:48:16 pm
Post by: theMij on March 14, 2011, 08:07:11 pm
Far as the comic goes, I really like the idea of the campfire ash/memory thing. Amusingly I've been playing Dragon Age 2 for the last few days and I realized that I kept trying to figure out who told me about that thing in the game, and then kept realizing that it wasn't actually from the game at all. Although it seems to fit the Dalish pretty good, I think. Maybe Qunari, but I don't really know all that much about them yet.
Post by: Fault on March 18, 2011, 01:46:57 am
in which the party calls its safety into question.
Post by: Mephansteras on March 18, 2011, 12:11:13 pm
Post by: Fault on March 18, 2011, 05:23:48 pm
I have an LCD screen, and I'm right next to a window so if it's a cloudy day the lighting and contrast I get varies wildly
I don't know how I can figure if what's visible on my screen won't be as clear on others though.
Post by: Darvi on March 18, 2011, 05:25:03 pm
Post by: Fault on March 19, 2011, 01:27:49 am
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/201483096/effigies___dwarven_advisor_by_fault_classic-d3byhco.png)
he's an advisor, so I wanted some elements of nobility in his wardrobe (such as the fancy belt and bracers) but for the most part keep them kind of understated.
Post by: Sensei on March 19, 2011, 04:10:53 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 19, 2011, 04:11:32 pm
Post by: Fault on March 24, 2011, 08:08:41 pm
in which we move away from familiar perspective.
I'm experimenting with different ways to draw trees.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 24, 2011, 08:46:15 pm
Post by: Fault on March 24, 2011, 09:10:18 pm
Post by: Rose on March 25, 2011, 02:41:27 am
There's plenty of ways to convey darkness without actually making the image too dark to see without pumping up the monitor brightness..
Post by: Armok on March 25, 2011, 04:53:42 pm
Post by: Ahasver on March 25, 2011, 05:54:49 pm
I'm experimenting with different ways to draw trees.I like them. The whole tree sort of looks like one big leaf, but in a surprisingly fitting way.
I agree with Armok. I like the tone that the darkness sets and I think if that is contrasted with a light source that the party begins to carry then some exciting illuminating discoveries or losses of a party member to the night could arise. I'm picturing the scene in The Hobbit in which Bilbo is chasing the Wood Elves parties in the wilderness, only to be ran from each time he approaches the elven torches.
Post by: Fault on March 25, 2011, 06:27:33 pm
These are very dark. It's realistic and artistically very nice, so you shouldn't change it, but you probably should come up with somehting to make it easier to see, especially against that white background.
I can't change the background colour unless I pay for a premium membership at smackjeeves. and if I'm going to put money towards this, a better option would just be to buy a hosting site.
maaaaybe once I've got chapter two finished.
Post by: Sensei on March 25, 2011, 07:23:27 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 28, 2011, 01:22:43 pm
Post by: Lord Dullard on March 28, 2011, 02:04:17 pm
Post by: Fault on April 04, 2011, 12:53:30 am
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 04, 2011, 05:52:33 am
I CANNAE WAIT
Post by: Fault on April 09, 2011, 01:13:38 am
Post by: Rose on April 09, 2011, 03:23:06 am
I KNEW IT!
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 09, 2011, 03:22:52 pm
So goblins are elf zombies?actually, that's an awesome idea
I KNEW IT!
Post by: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 03:54:52 pm
if elf zombies are goblins what are goblin zombies,So goblins are elf zombies?actually, that's an awesome idea
I KNEW IT!
Dwarves?
then maybe Dwarven zombies end up being human and human zombies are just elves so the undead chain can be complete.
I just took the panel as goblins can handle cave ins and they just need to be dung out(this must been a huge cave in so the tower had to wait a little while and supplies where down).
This may lead to issues of purity of Gobbos if their a plant version of tree huggers though maybe fault goblins are different.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 09, 2011, 04:12:20 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 09:01:19 pm
i'm guessing goblins are a supernatural species which are immortal and don't need to eat(think df goblins) and the last survivors of goblinkind were imprisoned(or possibly secured for later usage) beneath the earth during the age of warI go with a huge landslide hit their kind during the age of war causing the immortal gobbos to take what known in goblin lore "The Big Sleep" the survivors of "The Big Sleep" are called "Insomniacs" in common tongue or in goblin tongue "Waker" the Wakers usually depending on the goblin are high ranking in the race next to the common "sleeper" and will order other Sleepers to dig up the rest.
though this is all fan speculation.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 09, 2011, 10:34:04 pm
Post by: rarborman on April 09, 2011, 10:42:11 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 10, 2011, 01:34:30 am
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 10, 2011, 01:59:53 am
i think that in good faith we can assume that the lack of female characters is a flaw of the culture he's portraying and not of his own ethics or writing skills
Post by: Sensei on April 10, 2011, 01:18:59 pm
Post by: Fault on April 13, 2011, 01:18:40 am
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Post by: Darvi on April 13, 2011, 03:09:28 am
Post by: Aeon Blue on April 13, 2011, 04:53:25 am
You can make arguments like patriarchy, and they're all in the kitchen, and so on, but if you actually study history you'll learn that women have always existed right alongside men, doing fantastic and awesome things. The idea that women have never done anything but housework circa 1950's is, itself, just a patriarchal myth and a result of interpreting history through our modern, patriarchal perspective. If anything, there's a lot of evidence that primitive hunter-gatherer societies were more egalitarian. Even without that, though, you've got to consider that this is fantasy, and something like rigid gender roles are easily changed in a world where kobolds and elves reside. It comes back to a matter of importance to the author.
Or fault could be like me- I have almost no female characters in my story because I can't write them for shit.
I used to feel the same way and never wrote female characters for that reason, and that despite being a woman myself. Having grown up in American society where women don't get many cool roles in movies, it took a number of revelations before I made the simple connection that women were actually a lot like men and vice versa. For example, any of the characters in this comic could be made female without changing anything. But because we're used to thinking of women as mysterious and alien or shoved into these love interest roles, our imaginations fail when we try to think of them as people with the same basic motivations and personalities as men. One of the things I love about dwarf fortress is that it actually has a realistic, 50/50 ratio of men to women, even for enemies. It makes me all warm and fuzzy to be punched by a female troll.
Aside from that, what I read was nice. The line art is on the crude side and could stand to be cleaned up, but the author has a unique style that's charming. I approve of the dwarf fortressy-ness of it. Unfortunately, yeah, I don't go out of my way to read anything without women, though, 'cuz of the deficit of life experience it speaks of on the author's behalf and in general it makes me feel like crap.
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 13, 2011, 05:00:48 am
It makes me all warm and fuzzy to be punched by a female troll.
I know this is totally out of context, but I giggled when I read this line.
A lot.
Post by: Aeon Blue on April 13, 2011, 05:09:52 am
It makes me all warm and fuzzy to be punched by a female troll.
I know this is totally out of context, but I giggled when I read this line.
A lot.
No, that stands completely on its own!
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 13, 2011, 02:28:05 pm
nope, reading just that we don't know you're talking about dwarf fortress and might deduce you were being punched by an actual trolless, or talking about an internet troll (ha! females on the internet, what a laugh)It makes me all warm and fuzzy to be punched by a female troll.
I know this is totally out of context, but I giggled when I read this line.
A lot.
No, that stands completely on its own!
Post by: schussel on April 13, 2011, 02:38:33 pm
besides that .. fine work
you may now stone me
Post by: SalmonGod on April 13, 2011, 03:46:05 pm
One of the things I love about dwarf fortress is that it actually has a realistic, 50/50 ratio of men to women, even for enemies.
I don't understand why, but my fortresses always seem to be populated by like 90% female dwarves. I hardly pay attention to genders while playing, so I doubt it's anything I do that creates this situation. Female dwarves just seem to always be massively more common somehow when I play.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 13, 2011, 04:09:45 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 13, 2011, 08:25:07 pm
Post by: Rose on April 13, 2011, 08:35:38 pm
Someone should write a story around an army unit composed entirely of women disguised as men.
That would be monstrous.
Post by: Willfor on April 13, 2011, 09:03:02 pm
(http://img.ie/65479.png)Someone should write a story around an army unit composed entirely of women disguised as men.
That would be monstrous.
Post by: Fault on April 13, 2011, 09:10:10 pm
In which William explains something which you probably already know (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=48045.msg1239040;topicseen#msg1239040) about
oh, and about the ladies thing, there are female characters planned, they just haven't appeared yet. I think it would be sexist to include a female character merely for the sake of having a token girl - planned character aspects should be more integral and meaningful to the concept, and sometimes it takes a while to come up with well-planned characters...
Someone should write a story around an army unit composed entirely of women disguised as men.I would be really surprised if something like that hasn't already been written
Post by: Rose on April 13, 2011, 09:58:49 pm
(http://img.ie/65479.png)Someone should write a story around an army unit composed entirely of women disguised as men.
That would be monstrous.
Allow me to rephrase...
That would be
Spoiler: Monstrous. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Willfor on April 13, 2011, 10:47:52 pm
Allow me to rephrase...D:
That would beSpoiler: Monstrous. (click to show/hide)
Praaaaatchetttttttttttttttttttttttt
Post by: Sensei on April 13, 2011, 11:46:21 pm
Am I off topic or just being pointless? Does it matter?
Post by: schussel on April 14, 2011, 12:47:33 am
Didn't read that one- are they girls or monsters? Does it matter?
Am I off topic or just being pointless? Does it matter?
Well ...
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Post by: Rumrusher on April 17, 2011, 08:45:04 am
this and Adventurer Red's androgynous concern look(non edited) (http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush/folder1/crop-example.png) are the only three things I can't unsee in #52.
Joking aside I love the coloring of the recent panel really shove William's despair in the readers face like miasma coming off a zombie.
Post by: Fault on April 17, 2011, 06:23:03 pm
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(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush/folder1/crop-example.png)heh, was wondering if anyone was going to point that out.. I've been drawing too many ugly old characters I guess, when I try to draw anything other than that the design rockets to the opposite extreme... :p
Post by: Rumrusher on April 17, 2011, 11:21:34 pm
some concept art... Revised the layout of the keep in relation to merchant town... factoring in houses and shops crammed into every nook and cranny of the lower terraces.I blame the convo on lack of females in this comic and personally not seeing a example of one from either the Fanart section or engraver guild(my bad if I did see one then this adventurer won't come off as a a concern Token Female member and just a close up of someone who place stats in Smooth skin being concern.) your Josef was the only character next to topless Swift (punching a deer/elk/cerabuu/fourlegged hairy beast) and that other blonde human who name passed me to being less rugged male characters. so you have only your self to blame for "killing off" the only person that was on the low level of rough looks. I order the Rough men starting from the highest from William, Dwarves,Adventure blue,Wolfbears, every creature you drawn in the comic, Shift,Tab(other blonde guy), Josef,your fan art, the small normal art I seen you did, the landscape and scenery,Deon's Bearded women, Adventure Red.Spoiler: large image (click to show/hide)(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush/folder1/crop-example.png) [Adventure Traps:ON]heh, was wondering if anyone was going to point that out.. I've been drawing too many ugly old characters I guess, when I try to draw anything other than that the design rockets to the opposite extreme... :p
oh and happy birthday.
Post by: Sensei on April 17, 2011, 11:46:33 pm
Post by: Fault on April 18, 2011, 01:48:47 am
your ranking of character design by manliness is also very entertaining, by the way. especially the nicknames
oh and happy birthday.thanks
Post by: Rumrusher on April 18, 2011, 05:39:31 am
oddly enough I had finished that page's lineart before the WHY NO GIRLS discussion really came up :-/man thought up the perfect gift for you.
your ranking of character design by manliness is also very entertaining, by the way. especially the nicknamesoh and happy birthday.thanks
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush/folder1/fault-bday-gift.png)
"Better than Urva' "
Post by: Sensei on April 20, 2011, 12:33:46 am
Also, I have to say, no offense but some of your faces look as bad as ones I might draw. :P
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3596/oopsd.png)
(compliments on Red's shoulders though, those are something I can never get right especially in a small space)
Also, which of these do you guys think might make the best avatar? 8)
Post by: Fr1gid on April 20, 2011, 03:01:36 am
But now for the critique* which will be primarily in the graphical category :
Good:
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4jNMJUL7qVQ/Ta6XouE9jlI/AAAAAAAAATQ/OWv3pyPeFdw/goblincamp1_edit.jpg)
If you have any questions on what I said just hit me up. ;D
*Disclaimer: All contents are designed to make artist think and help themselves improve, and offered in good natured complete honesty. And some of it may just be personal preference.
Post by: Fault on April 20, 2011, 04:39:55 pm
However, this graphical progression can not be an immediate change... it is a carefully guided transition, the changes in design elements tied to changes in the plot. As the story kicks into gear, the art will become smoother and more lively.
This is an awkward phase in the plan, though, where the more varied textures of the background are constrained by the presence of pixellated outlines and aliased figures... I expect to completely phase out pixellated art in about four or five pages.
also, thank you for linking that font site! I'll have to take a look around there.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 20, 2011, 08:06:50 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on April 20, 2011, 10:31:10 pm
i object to the request to add pupilsIsn't the soullessness in the eyes adds 7+ in soul stealing and intimidation? Though seeing how Red and blue have them I guess it's a character trait.
Post by: Fault on April 20, 2011, 11:00:49 pm
humans have pupils, elves and goblins have glowing eyes (pupil thus not visible), and dwarves have a grey membrane over their eyes that keeps dust out.
Post by: Fr1gid on April 21, 2011, 12:49:01 am
Yeah I was referring to the humans. The goblin eyes look good.
Post by: Fault on April 22, 2011, 05:05:19 am
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Post by: Rumrusher on April 22, 2011, 08:11:09 am
Post by: Fault on April 22, 2011, 10:40:26 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 22, 2011, 10:44:52 pm
i hunger for more, WORK FASTER
EDIT: i just didn't get the "?, atrium, traps" schematic
Post by: Fault on April 22, 2011, 10:56:53 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 22, 2011, 11:20:55 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 23, 2011, 07:00:11 pm
...but, I can't help but nitpick, Red's face in the last panel looks like an angry playmobil person.
(http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://caractermag.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/playmobil-face.jpg%3Fw%3D300%26h%3D277&sa=X&ei=AWizTe9AgpyxA-2n4OML&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH0hgWoUVT9y9u40H-O9epMrydAGw)
Post by: Rumrusher on April 24, 2011, 06:39:05 am
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Post by: Fault on April 30, 2011, 06:15:42 am
Spoiler: the Keep - Captain of the Guard (click to show/hide)
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 30, 2011, 07:33:14 am
Post by: Guardian G.I. on April 30, 2011, 07:39:21 am
PURE. UNADULTERATED. AWESOME.
Post by: Sensei on May 01, 2011, 12:06:18 am
Post by: rarborman on May 01, 2011, 11:32:37 am
Post by: Rumrusher on May 01, 2011, 04:25:44 pm
Maybe broaden his neck a little. Also, the hood seems kind of odd, especially for a king.He's Captain of the guard is he not? Unless I miss an update showing the Cotg switching places with the King or the Cotg is the King?
Post by: Sensei on May 01, 2011, 06:51:28 pm
Wait derp. That makes a little more sense then. Still, neck.Maybe broaden his neck a little. Also, the hood seems kind of odd, especially for a king.He's Captain of the guard is he not? Unless I miss an update showing the Cotg switching places with the King or the Cotg is the King?
Post by: rarborman on May 01, 2011, 11:37:33 pm
Post by: Fault on May 02, 2011, 02:10:43 am
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I'd have to say his proportions are very strange, thin neck-wide shoulders-long arms-short legs-think ars-thin legs...the shape of the armour messes things up a bit... I need to research where armour elements sit over body parts, particularly where your pelvis would be.
well at least this is just concept art and not a finished page or anything
Post by: rarborman on May 02, 2011, 02:56:12 am
Post by: Fault on May 06, 2011, 01:02:50 am
In which the Goblin King gives a his underlings a history lesson
Post by: Darvi on May 06, 2011, 10:05:30 am
Smart goblins? Using science?
Post by: Rumrusher on May 06, 2011, 11:26:18 am
Post by: Armok on May 06, 2011, 12:48:13 pm
Post by: Fault on May 06, 2011, 01:47:35 pm
I always found it odd that for such a hostile race they only attacked like once or twice a year - I rationalized that as they can only mobilize troops during new moons, eclipses, or extremely stormy nights.
Although Fortress mode doesn't have a clear day/night cycle yet.
Post by: Rumrusher on May 06, 2011, 03:00:48 pm
I once had a goblin siege herd wild animals into the traps outside my fortress, so they could neutralize them without losing any troops. They are crafty bastards.it's because goblins send out scouting parties to see if any one lives in the fort.
I always found it odd that for such a hostile race they only attacked like once or twice a year - I rationalized that as they can only mobilize troops during new moons, eclipses, or extremely stormy nights.
Although Fortress mode doesn't have a clear day/night cycle yet.
no one there means no need to attack, and they wait to attack a year because their already attacking some other poor sap.
Remember there only few goblins and loads of towns and forts to raid.
also stormy nights and new moons gonna lead to them being ambushed by bogeymen.
Post by: Areyar on May 06, 2011, 03:26:23 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2011, 12:08:49 am
Post by: Fault on May 17, 2011, 11:43:16 pm
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hadn't had much time to work on it last week, lots of schoolwork around this time of year
Post by: Rose on May 18, 2011, 02:27:47 am
Post by: Rumrusher on May 18, 2011, 04:43:14 am
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Post by: Yoink on May 18, 2011, 05:03:46 am
Post by: Fault on May 21, 2011, 05:30:09 pm
In which the party plans out their next move
Page #56 has been sketched and partially inked, and will be ready for scanning shortly
Post by: Darvi on May 21, 2011, 05:31:39 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on May 22, 2011, 05:27:49 am
Then red comes in and forgets to capitalize his first word in his speech, still can't shake the idea that red could
Post by: Fault on May 23, 2011, 09:56:18 pm
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Post by: Fault on May 27, 2011, 10:48:24 pm
Post by: Darvi on May 28, 2011, 03:15:30 am
Post by: Sensei on May 28, 2011, 11:24:38 am
Post by: Armok on May 28, 2011, 02:14:23 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on May 28, 2011, 07:11:57 pm
ARGH! Stupid spellcasters and their stupidly cryptic vagueness!this is what I got from that last bit.
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Post by: Fault on May 29, 2011, 07:03:51 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 30, 2011, 02:02:25 am
Edit: Also, I don't really like the change in panel border style on the comic. When they were white I sort of tuned them out, now they seem to draw the eye a little more and blend in with the composition, doubly so when the border and the panel are both really dark.
Post by: Armok on May 30, 2011, 09:00:12 am
Post by: Rumrusher on May 30, 2011, 12:44:05 pm
Post by: Fault on June 11, 2011, 04:02:29 pm
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Post by: Armok on June 11, 2011, 06:00:54 pm
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2011, 12:13:28 am
you could say I have some kinks to work out. I'm working at a higher resolution now, but the new layout I got for my hosting page doesn't resize images the way the old one did.
I could shrink images manually, but then I'd lose that precious image quality.
Post by: Sensei on June 21, 2011, 02:32:44 am
Oh, by the way...
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7413/tempun.png)(http://www.gtai.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Bilder/6_Info-Service/1_Publications_Downloads/3_Magazine/2010/2_2010/PlaymobilFigure.JPG)(http://playmoreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/Playmobil-Head.jpg)
Maybe it's just me, but I can't stop seeing it. :P
Post by: Rumrusher on June 21, 2011, 01:50:59 pm
one style I strangely notice from another comic.
"Red did you cause the cake to fall?"
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder1/shiook-face.png)
(http://cucumber.gigidigi.com/)
Post by: Fault on June 21, 2011, 02:13:21 pm
I'm not sure how to describe it, but you can really see how digital brushes were used and it just looks badoh god the second last panel is just terrible for that. I'd been really rushing those last few panels, 'cause I've been busy with exams.
but those are over, I should have time to plan things out more effectively now instead of just spamming brush textures.
fault went through many styles in that comic page one I guess is a small lampshade on the playmobil face red gives....I wouldn't, aknowldege it as a playmobil face, no.
although I do love hiimdaisy's work
Post by: Fault on June 28, 2011, 10:04:40 pm
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here is a panel backgdrop, to give a feel as to what style I'm working with on this one.
Post by: Sensei on June 28, 2011, 10:15:55 pm
Post by: Fault on June 28, 2011, 10:23:59 pm
I'll definitely consider that should any rough-textured object be brought into focus, but we've all seen from page #58 that it's very easy to go overboard with crazy brush effects.
besides, I've gotten good results (http://fault-classic.deviantart.com/#/d3jq7ui) using this this stlye in the past.
Post by: Sensei on June 28, 2011, 10:32:12 pm
Post by: Fault on July 06, 2011, 01:37:57 am
there are some panels that came out really awesome, but this style doesn't work for everything.
part of the process.
Post by: Rumrusher on July 06, 2011, 04:03:05 am
I don't think you should be bragging about that there Shift.
Oh and have another edit.
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Post by: Fault on July 10, 2011, 03:10:23 am
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here is a panel background, to give an allusion as to which perspective the next page is moving to.
Post by: Sensei on July 14, 2011, 11:17:10 pm
Post by: Fault on July 15, 2011, 06:35:07 pm
Post by: Fault on July 21, 2011, 11:27:26 pm
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Post by: Fault on July 26, 2011, 08:21:46 pm
Post by: Sensei on July 27, 2011, 06:25:09 am
Post by: Armok on July 27, 2011, 11:29:58 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 01, 2011, 07:37:47 pm
I mean, I've always loved your work,
but I can't get enough of this new stuff.
Those new dwarves are absolutely stunning!
Keep it up!
Post by: Fault on August 11, 2011, 02:27:46 am
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Post by: Rumrusher on August 11, 2011, 03:37:56 am
Spoiler: this is what I saw. (click to show/hide)
edit: oops image was broken.
Post by: Fault on August 19, 2011, 02:11:46 am
in which we see more of what was buried beneath the hill.
..you forgot to edit out the original pair of ears on that goblin. now he has four.
Post by: Rumrusher on August 19, 2011, 11:31:27 am
page #62 (http://effigies.smackjeeves.com/comics/1281799/foundry/) is up.that bunny has a pop up collar. That's what I saw.
in which we see more of what was buried beneath the hill.
..you forgot to edit out the original pair of ears on that goblin. now he has four.
edit: after reading the comic this makes me want to Raid Goblins for their Steel secrets.
I mean what makes Goblin Steel so good? Is it the Cinnamon sugar swirl in every bar?
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Does this mean Goblins will wear a full suit of armor in means of protecting them from the harmful Moonrays?
Will Goblins ever invent Moonblock?
Do City Goblins laugh at the foolish D.fortress Goblins inability to figure out the moon?
Post by: Sensei on August 22, 2011, 12:04:03 pm
Post by: Fault on September 04, 2011, 03:57:41 am
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Post by: Sergius on September 05, 2011, 06:34:17 pm
Post by: Fault on September 11, 2011, 07:45:20 pm
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Post by: Fault on September 17, 2011, 10:22:08 pm
Post by: OmnipotentGrue on September 18, 2011, 07:53:20 am
Post by: Fault on October 11, 2011, 11:30:51 pm
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Post by: Fault on October 13, 2011, 12:08:16 am
Post by: Fault on November 08, 2011, 12:25:54 am
Page 65 is a work in progress at this point.
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Post by: Sensei on November 08, 2011, 12:34:29 am
I'll just be the first one to say good on you for not dropping the comic after moving.
Post by: GlyphGryph on November 10, 2011, 11:20:31 pm
Thumbs up, man.
Post by: Ogdibus on November 10, 2011, 11:51:05 pm
Post by: Sergius on November 11, 2011, 05:22:35 pm
Post by: Fault on November 13, 2011, 02:08:35 am
thanks for all the comments guys! it means a lot, great to know you've remained faithful in the face of delays.
Post by: Rumrusher on November 13, 2011, 04:35:04 am
Post by: Armok on November 13, 2011, 04:11:32 pm
Post by: Fault on November 13, 2011, 07:46:44 pm
so that's his daughter I guess?yeah, I've always played DF with the dwarven women coded to have beards
Post by: Fault on November 19, 2011, 09:33:43 pm
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Post by: Fault on December 03, 2011, 12:43:06 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 03, 2011, 02:40:35 am
Post by: Rumrusher on December 03, 2011, 07:49:32 pm
Post by: Vertigon on December 04, 2011, 02:11:17 am
Post by: Armok on December 04, 2011, 12:08:11 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 05, 2011, 01:28:53 am
Post by: Sensei on December 05, 2011, 08:34:50 pm
You ought to try broadening the audience if you haven't already, that comments box looks awful lonely.
Post by: Guardian G.I. on December 06, 2011, 07:08:19 am
The tumblr doesn't seems to attract any kind of crowd, however.
Post by: Fault on December 22, 2011, 06:10:20 am
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Post by: Drevlin on December 22, 2011, 10:34:47 am
Post by: Mephansteras on December 22, 2011, 12:01:16 pm
Post by: Fault on December 22, 2011, 06:44:31 pm
You ought to try broadening the audience if you haven't already, that comments box looks awful lonely.
yes, it seems I was a fool to rely on word of mouth alone. This is why I got a tumblr... its reblogging function seemed to be a better way for art and information to be spread, compared to the nature of DeviantArt. I only got it less than a month ago though, so it has yet to really pick up speed.
But it seems like there's only so much I, as one man, can do - I had a lot of followers on Deviantart, and I regularly posted things saying THIS IS FROM MY WEBCOMIC, and there was a link to Effigies in my Devious Info. And though I did get two or three comments saying "this is great, I'm going to show all my friends", I suppose in general my methods so far just weren't enough of a pull.
In the end the fault may lie with the quality of the comic itself. It's possible the shoddy MS paint art in the first chapter turned people off. The stigma surrounding smackjeeves may have driven away potential readers as well. Some of Effigies' setting and in-joke details are also a little exclusionary to those who aren't familiar with dwarf fortress. Not to mention that, without assurance from others, an aside glance at Effigies could be met with dismissal as "just another tolkeinesque fantasy" and not worth a read.
But the story progress, I think, is where the blame truly lies. there are times when i've wondered if it is even wise to publicize Effigies in its in-progress state. Up until around page 60 the comic has been all build-up with little to no pay-off.. an imbalanced pacing where every chekhov's gun is set before even one begins to fire. But now, all the pieces are in play, the movement and action of the characters is about to begin. I will reserve judgement of Effigies' popularity until after the scope and action has been significantly scaled up - if there is no noticable change, I will have to take other measures.. but for now some things are still uncertain.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on December 22, 2011, 11:55:02 pm
On the popularity and attracting readers:
I first looked at the comic a bit more than a year ago; the most current page at the time was when one of the dwarves was thanking the other for talking some sense into William, at the time the website was a mess of images and it was hard to navigate, I dismissed it as a shoddy piece of work done by someone with a lot of talent, but was putting very little effort in, and I didn't bother looking at anything else besides that one page (although to be fair this was before I got into webcomics) a few months ago in late summer, post-xkcd discovery, I saw the link to the webcomic, and decided to take a look at it. I didn't recognize it and started it from page one, the next day I had read through most of it and was wishing I had done this a year ago, what I had mistaken for lack of effort was actually carefully planned art progression. Ever since I have been periodically checking it along with all of my favorite comics.
Most of the things that originally drove me away are gone now, however, I do think that cleaning up some of the original images might help a little.
Another thing that might help is a character page, or even a short paragraph on the world detailing interesting stuff that might not necessarily be explained in the comic itself [such as the lack of apples and horses, or even just a short history of the world (unless you're planning on revealing that as the comic progresses)].
Another idea might be to include a sample page with some scenes that could stand alone, or give hint at the story without revealing
much (Such as the beginning of the kobold chase or Josephs awakening or really any of the goblin's scenes).
I don't know how you feel about this, but you might consider trading links with another small time webcomic or (if you're making any extra money off of the advertisements or feel like putting a little money in) you might consider buying advertisement space on a more famous webcomic. Sluggy Freelance I know offers cheap advertisement (I do believe it's less than or around a dollar) on a pay-for-a-day basis, and I (personally) think that Sluggy readers would be interested in this comic, as they have a definite liking for long reaching plots and Chekhov's guns. And being the longest running comic on the web, it has a large following and you would probably get at the very least a couple dozen hits.
I would also like to thank you(r) (advertisements) for introducing me to Sandra and Woo although I prefer your comic immensely.
Spoiler: What Stigma? (click to show/hide)
, but then, I don't know much about the placePost by: Fault on December 23, 2011, 12:44:53 am
Another thing that might help is a character page, or even a short paragraph on the world detailing interesting stuff that might not necessarily be explained in the comic itself [such as the lack of apples and horses, or even just a short history of the world (unless you're planning on revealing that as the comic progresses)].
I've had ideas like this, but the biggest problem was thinking of where to put them.. I tried writing a character page using the 'extras' feature of smackjeeves.. but the coding was less than optimal. Tumblr, though, does a thing called "world building wednesdays", wherein authors answers questions and provide tidbits and details exactly like those you have described. I plan on utilizing tumblr for that purpose once my blog is a little more.. off the ground, so to speak.
I've talked to people and.. they don't really go to smackjeeves looking for original work, the most common things there are fan works, sprite comics and the like. By tossing my work in among that crowd it gets.. buried, in a way, links to it would be rare because it's so dissimilar in theme and tone to the more popular works on the site. This is why.. once I have a little less on my plate, I intend to start taking commissions, and use the money from these to pay for my own domain name. If I'm going to buy adspace for my work, as you suggested regarding sluggy freelance, it'd be better if said ads led to a website where ALL my work can go, rather than just a branch of another webcomic hosting site, no?Spoiler: What Stigma? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on December 23, 2011, 02:01:01 am
I guess I don't have much else to add other than: keep it up! :D
Post by: Armok on December 23, 2011, 09:12:41 am
Post by: Phantom of The Library on December 23, 2011, 03:53:45 pm
thank you very much for your analysis, phantom! It's greatly appreciated.Glad I can be of service. :)
I've had ideas like this, but the biggest problem was thinking of where to put them.. I tried writing a character page using the 'extras' feature of smackjeeves.. but the coding was less than optimal. Tumblr, though, does a thing called "world building wednesdays", wherein authors answers questions and provide tidbits and details exactly like those you have described. I plan on utilizing tumblr for that purpose once my blog is a little more.. off the ground, so to speak.
Hmm, this sounds like a good idea, although I wouldn't bother with it until, as you said, your blog or the comic has gotten a little more attention, as is there would little point in doing it; as (to the best of my knowledge) most of the fanbase is already here on Bay12 Forums.
I've talked to people and.. they don't really go to smackjeeves looking for original work, the most common things there are fan works, sprite comics and the like. By tossing my work in among that crowd it gets.. buried, in a way, links to it would be rare because it's so dissimilar in theme and tone to the more popular works on the site. This is why.. once I have a little less on my plate, I intend to start taking commissions, and use the money from these to pay for my own domain name. If I'm going to buy adspace for my work, as you suggested regarding sluggy freelance, it'd be better if said ads led to a website where ALL my work can go, rather than just a branch of another webcomic hosting site, no?Ah, I see what you mean regarding smackjeeves. A domain name with advertising would probably help, the main thing you would be "losing" by moving away from smackjeeves would be the community of links, which at this point is actually a little bit detrimental to the comic.
Have you looked into free web hosting options like http://www.000webhost.com/ ? It might work well for something simple like this. And I don't think there are any problems from the freeness that arn't also with smackjeeves.
That's a good idea, another idea might be to relocate to a place like WordPress (http://wordpress.com/) they have free service up to a certain point, (after that you can choose if you want to delete stuff, buy a domain name, or just more space) and there are varied types of webcomics hosted there, although (as the name implies) it is more of a pure blogging website than a comic website, though it does seem to work nicely with them.
All in all, it seems like the best idea for now would be to keep on doing what you're doing and just make plans for future changes.
Spoiler: One Last Idea (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on January 03, 2012, 12:30:05 am
Post by: Fault on January 17, 2012, 08:18:28 pm
too much college / future crap going on in my life right now.
check back in february.
Post by: Sirus on January 17, 2012, 08:20:25 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on January 17, 2012, 10:00:04 pm
But understood.
Hope it all turns out well.
Post by: Fault on January 28, 2012, 04:59:09 am
when I can I will try to put more pages together.. but it's not as high a priority as I wish it could be.
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2012, 11:37:13 am
Post by: Phantom of The Library on January 28, 2012, 02:30:59 pm
Looking good, glad this is being worked on again.
Post by: Fault on February 20, 2012, 01:06:55 am
jeez... last update was 'two months ago'.. and I've gone down to a 0/week update rate....
Post by: Phantom of The Library on February 20, 2012, 11:55:34 am
Wonder what the glowing blue sword is.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on February 20, 2012, 04:39:27 pm
Post by: Sensei on February 20, 2012, 10:34:37 pm
Post by: Fault on February 27, 2012, 01:31:51 am
I'm going to be straight with you. this isn't another 'I'm working slower because of other stuff", this is a complete stop. There's a lot on my plate I've been neglecting, and I have to prioritize now until a few things have been cleared.
I don't know how long this will take. Maybe May at the latest. But the less other obligations I have, the faster it will go. I know you're tired of hearing me apologize for schedule slips, so I'll just thank you for staying interested this long.
HIATUS: BACK ON
Post by: Fault on June 08, 2012, 08:42:31 pm
with the hiatus at last over, I would like to welcome you to the
*NEW EFFIGIES EXPERIENCE*
Updates happen on FRIDAYS, hosted on SMACKJEEVES (http://www.smackjeeves.com/comicprofile.php?id=68332). Over on MY TUMBLR (http://fault-classic.tumblr.com/), you can find works in progress, high resolution panels, and concept sketches under the EFFIGIES (http://fault-classic.tumblr.com/tagged/effigies) tag. You can also ASK (http://fault-classic.tumblr.com/ask) me any questions you might have about the characters and history of the Effigies world, assuming they don't spoil too much! These will be answered on 'Worldbuilding Wednesdays' with text posts or drawings.
Now, to kick off this return to form, Page #69 (http://effigies.smackjeeves.com/comics/1512235/the-gods-above/) is up! In which the party learns a little about the strange places they've stumbled into.
Post by: Sirus on June 08, 2012, 09:01:33 pm
Also: Huzzah! An update!
Post by: Guardian G.I. on June 09, 2012, 05:31:39 am
Worldbuilding Wednesdays sound really interesting.
Post by: Fault on June 09, 2012, 03:08:54 pm
and it's better than breaking from the story for unrelated exposition dumps!
and thanks.. I'm just glad all that is finally over.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 09, 2012, 04:13:15 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 10, 2012, 09:12:21 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on June 11, 2012, 07:00:07 am
That how I remember it. Though GOD is to strong a word I would say "adventurer that got pass the horrible falling in mach 1 speed."
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2012, 12:46:26 am
I'm making good time.. I might even build up an update buffer if I can keep to schedule at this rate.
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Guardian G.I. on June 13, 2012, 02:04:32 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2012, 09:32:51 am
the tower image on my tumblr is based on Giorgio de Chirico's 'the red tower'.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on June 15, 2012, 03:15:41 am
in which the ogre's raving continues.
Post by: Sensei on June 16, 2012, 05:09:56 pm
Post by: Fault on June 20, 2012, 10:04:26 pm
have a misleading, out of context preview.
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: NobodyPro on June 20, 2012, 10:40:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on June 20, 2012, 10:45:56 pm
Post by: Fault on June 22, 2012, 02:00:27 am
in which we find out what all this has to do with our heroes.
I've been trying to figure out what sort of aesthetic has the best looking final product in relation to the time it takes to finish a panel using it.
Post by: Fault on June 30, 2012, 12:21:37 am
this week was a little busy for me. we had graduation ceremonies and banquets (with accompanying rehearsals) and on the weekend I got a family party and some canada day celebrations to go to.
this has put me behind schedule. what's say you get a preview pic now, and I'll put out two pages next friday to make up for this? I'm not nearly as busy THAT week.
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Phantom of The Library on July 08, 2012, 09:51:07 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on July 08, 2012, 10:29:30 pm
Post by: Fault on July 31, 2012, 11:21:18 pm
Post by: Sensei on August 01, 2012, 01:52:12 am
Post by: Mephansteras on August 01, 2012, 11:58:51 am
Post by: Phantom of The Library on August 02, 2012, 06:44:28 pm
Beams of doom anyone? Someone's not going to be happy when they wake up.
Post by: Fault on August 11, 2012, 12:59:30 am
Post by: Mephansteras on August 11, 2012, 01:17:45 am
Post by: Sirus on August 11, 2012, 01:20:19 am
Post by: Phantom of The Library on August 12, 2012, 08:10:48 pm
Simple page, but looks nice.What he said.
Post by: Fault on September 04, 2012, 07:53:16 am
in which the world takes notice of recent events.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 04, 2012, 09:32:05 am
Post by: Fault on September 09, 2012, 07:54:18 pm
Spoiler: preview panel (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on September 09, 2012, 07:58:05 pm
Post by: Fault on September 13, 2012, 05:17:07 pm
Post by: Fault on October 27, 2012, 12:19:07 am
Post by: Sirus on October 27, 2012, 12:20:31 am
Post by: Mephansteras on October 27, 2012, 09:18:41 am
Post by: Caz on October 27, 2012, 11:39:17 am
Post by: Guardian G.I. on October 27, 2012, 03:47:37 pm
I'm looking forward to see the next page (next month).
(by the way, there's a typo in the first panel)
Post by: Phantom of The Library on October 27, 2012, 07:36:17 pm
Post by: Fault on October 31, 2012, 04:17:20 am
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on November 05, 2012, 09:20:59 pm
Post by: Fault on November 05, 2012, 11:07:49 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on November 06, 2012, 10:52:06 am
I do believe I see a new avatar in the making!
Also, love the style switch for the crowd in the second-to-last and fourth-to-last panels, it works very well.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 06, 2012, 02:52:32 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on November 06, 2012, 10:09:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: PlutoniumApe on November 08, 2012, 07:11:32 am
The coloring is divine, you really do have a way of creating atmosphere... ambiance... whatever.
Never stop doing what you're doing, I'm looking forward to seeing the story progress!
Post by: Fault on November 15, 2012, 08:32:20 pm
page #78 is in progress.
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robocorn on November 15, 2012, 09:06:56 pm
Post by: Fault on November 16, 2012, 06:59:46 am
Are they finally going to excavate those trolls? It seems like forever
yes
UPDATE: page #78 (http://effigies.smackjeeves.com/comics/1621648/trolls/) is up
Post by: Robocorn on November 16, 2012, 11:06:08 am
Post by: Mephansteras on November 16, 2012, 12:37:14 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on November 18, 2012, 08:23:43 am
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder9/ohgodtrolls-small.png)
Post by: Robocorn on November 18, 2012, 12:52:52 pm
well looks like I wasn't the only one who wanted to take a crack at that scene.
It seemed like a good opportunity. That troll could mean anything.
Hell, my original idea was along these lines.
(http://tnypic.net/b4cyw.png)
Post by: Rumrusher on November 19, 2012, 06:45:29 am
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder9/trollina.png)
Post by: Fault on November 19, 2012, 07:11:02 pm
do you guys have tumblrs, so I can reblog this magnificence
Post by: Rumrusher on November 19, 2012, 11:49:36 pm
Also dang I completely forgot a personal bogievampire name... Starts with a G but the rest is a blur... I guess when a god just get bored and curses a bogeyman into forced house entry you kinda forget the details like names, backstory, how did she get a skeleton arm.
Post by: Robocorn on November 23, 2012, 02:53:27 pm
I don't know what possessed me to do this.
I'm guessing you found my incredibly well hidden tumblr. Even before Rumrusher (http://i.imgur.com/wsBH5.png) spilled the beans.
I'm going to have to hide it better next time.
Post by: Rumrusher on November 24, 2012, 09:54:43 am
yeah I notice that also... shame I don't keep a personal Tumblr (http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder10/g-meets-F_W2.png) so that fault could just reblog though I don't know why he doesn't just post the art up there and credit me I'm totally fine with doing so or is it some hidden tumblr law stating you can't?
Post by: Fault on November 28, 2012, 12:28:40 am
Post by: Rumrusher on November 28, 2012, 01:18:30 am
might take long to load....
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder10/Effgieseditavatar.gif)
Post by: Fault on January 25, 2013, 12:07:57 am
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/024/9/4/a_very_small_effigies_christmas_by_fault_classic-d5smd2a.png)
now that I'm back from taking an unacceptably long vacation (a lot of which was spent drawing this) I intend to resume updating effigies PROMPTLY!
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2013, 12:22:50 am
Post by: Rumrusher on January 25, 2013, 06:57:31 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on January 27, 2013, 10:42:51 pm
I don't care that it's out of season.
Post by: Trollheiming on January 30, 2013, 06:54:20 am
not really. Josef's belief in these creatures is supposed to show that he is naive, and likes getting attention. Rather childish behaviour.
As for the name, its actually supposed to evoke memories of silly Role-playing game monsters, like owlbears.
Coincidentally, the name Beowulf, if directly translated, means Bearwolf.
Beowulf is a kenning, two words which form a compound noun that hints at something else entirely. Crowfeast is a battlefield, for example. Beowulf literally means Bee-wolf. But a wolf is a hunter, and a bee makes honey. Bears hunt the honey that bees make, and that makes them bee-wolves. So beowulf means "bear" in a roundabout way. It does not, however, mean bearwolf.
All that said, interesting comic. The modern humor kinda clashes with the epic tale a bit, though.
Post by: Fault on January 31, 2013, 06:10:18 am
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on February 07, 2013, 11:28:30 pm
In which we return to our party.
Post by: Mephansteras on February 07, 2013, 11:30:30 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on February 08, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
3/5 fault release information about dwarves having crocdile eyelids that allows them to protect dirt from the harsh tunnels, also as a safety mechanism to prevent hostile forces from killing them. the evolution trait found also in Kobolds.
(http://www.truimagz.com/host/fortcrush2/folder16/effgies-dwarf-eyes.png)
Post by: Fault on March 05, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
Spoiler: preview pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fault on March 18, 2013, 02:51:46 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 18, 2013, 02:54:39 pm
Post by: magmaholic on March 19, 2013, 05:49:50 am
Post by: Fault on March 29, 2013, 12:21:12 am
Spoiler: preview pic. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mephansteras on March 29, 2013, 09:37:45 am
Post by: Fault on April 16, 2013, 06:41:50 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/2f383a315b5aacd859855f627e524fc2/tumblr_mlci2nRLPq1r5iy8co2_r1_500.png)
-The Pass-
the coastal settlements built near the Keep are connected to villages in the north-eastern Valley via a tunnel that runs up these steep cliffs. It was carved from the rock more than three centuries ago by Dwarves who, at the time, still swore fealty to the Men of the Keep, and had yet to break away and found their settlement at Mt. Bakar. Today, upkeep and security (tolls, inspections) are performed by a branch of the Merchant Town Guard.
that waterfall eventually becomes the river that divides Merchant Town from Port Town, and flows into the Western Sea.
Post by: Mephansteras on April 16, 2013, 02:06:21 pm
Post by: Fault on May 31, 2013, 05:00:33 am
in which Marcus takes up another sword.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 31, 2013, 10:43:00 am
Post by: Rumrusher on May 31, 2013, 10:47:38 am
(http://i.xomf.com/pxvcc.png) hi I'm marcus here to show you the PS4's Move here is the new controller called the hilt.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 01, 2013, 09:13:56 am
Post by: Fault on June 13, 2013, 11:23:48 pm
pic related, some gift art I received recently
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bec4d685ff73e6e4e054932960a86083/tumblr_mod500h1uS1r3dyiwo1_500.png)
Post by: Rumrusher on October 10, 2013, 10:18:03 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 11, 2013, 03:41:57 am
...a good looking thing, which I have now read up to date on.
Post by: NAV on October 19, 2013, 07:16:28 pm
Post by: Fault on October 20, 2013, 09:24:34 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on October 21, 2013, 12:18:18 am
Post by: Caz on October 21, 2013, 07:10:15 am
Post by: Sensei on October 21, 2013, 10:51:26 am
(http://i.imgur.com/K1qhEQy.jpg)
"I doesn't burn me. ...but the sword does! Ow!"
I'm surprised I didn't notice it the first time around. Too much distracting artwork :P
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 21, 2013, 11:00:25 am
Post by: Fault on October 21, 2013, 12:35:53 pm
"I doesn't burn me. ...but the sword does! Ow!"I suppose I should have been clearer, Head is talking about the metal the sword is made of, not the orichalcum the chains are made of. It's a magic sword.
Post by: Sensei on October 21, 2013, 01:02:34 pm
thank you! I greatly appreciate your comments.No no, look harder... he isn't saying "It", he's saying "I"."I doesn't burn me. ...but the sword does! Ow!"I suppose I should have been clearer, Head is talking about the metal the sword is made of, not the orichalcum the chains are made of. It's a magic sword.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 21, 2013, 01:30:03 pm
thank you! I greatly appreciate your comments.No no, look harder... he isn't saying "It", he's saying "I"."I doesn't burn me. ...but the sword does! Ow!"I suppose I should have been clearer, Head is talking about the metal the sword is made of, not the orichalcum the chains are made of. It's a magic sword.
Are you sure the sword isn't just named "I"?
Would make it a little confusing in conversation, but I'd go with it.
Post by: Tiruin on October 21, 2013, 01:47:42 pm
Glad to catch it while its still running :D
Post by: Fault on October 21, 2013, 04:31:19 pm
AW FUCK
EDIT: fixed it
Post by: NAV on October 24, 2013, 11:05:25 pm
Post by: Fault on September 16, 2014, 08:16:44 pm
It would be difficult to continue writing the project as it was planned. For one thing, the ideas I thought were good when I was 16 and had started the project no longer hold as much water now that I'm older (something I like to call 'The Eragon Problem')
It's a plot that relies too much on technobabble to remotely make sense, with too many characters and not enough characterization to go around between them.
And most importantly it's strayed so far from its roots as a Dwarf Fortress based comic. They just don't mesh together like they should, the ideas ripped off from different sources do nothing but step on eachother's toes at the cost of comprehensibility.
Thank you for all your attention and feedback these past years. Some day I may reboot this old idea, but likely in a shape far removed from its current form. for now I should just lock this old thread.