Post by: Vanigo on May 06, 2012, 05:14:39 pm
Previous thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103184.0)
Admin interface (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/AdminInterface.swf)
Player interface (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/PlayerInterface.swf)
Post by: Eagle_eye on May 06, 2012, 05:16:46 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 06, 2012, 05:18:42 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 06, 2012, 06:05:51 pm
sounds interesting, and I might join, but your links just return "put game XML here" or something along those lines.Instead of saving and loading files (which you can't really do with Flash in a browser window), I designed the game to work by cutting and pasting XML. If you grab a game state from the last thread and paste it into that window, you can check out that game.
It does sound interesting, but I have no idea how to play. I looked at the links on the last thread a while back, and had no idea how it worked.What's confusing you? If the interface isn't intuitive enough, it sounds like something I need to address. Or is it the mechanics that you're not grokking?
Post by: Eagle_eye on May 06, 2012, 06:20:41 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 06, 2012, 06:28:42 pm
What's confusing you? If the interface isn't intuitive enough, it sounds like something I need to address. Or is it the mechanics that you're not grokking?
No, it was the XML thing- I had no idea how to do that. Give me a bit to figure out how to play, though.
EDIT: I don't know what the orders screen is for or how to give an order. Any ideas?
Post by: LordBucket on May 06, 2012, 06:40:23 pm
Being asked which player I am seems like a bad arrangement. It appears that anyone can view/act as other players just by claiming to be them. Or at most, copy and pasting their XML from the thread.
There doesn't seem to be much of anything to do. I click around on the map, and there are no armies, no objects, no...nothing. I find a tile that has what is claimed to be "Toria Capital" belonging to "Nirur Toria" and I get a bunch of blank boxes with the options of "resources" "orders" and "close." Close just closes the window. Orders gives me a new window with some empty boxes and my only options are "cancel order" and "close." I can't actually issue orders and there doesn't seem to be anything to issue orders to. And finally, if I close on the "resources" button from before, it gives me a non-interactive window with a list of a bunch of resources per turn that I can't do anything with...and that window is positioned with the "close" button beneath the radar map in the lower right.
I have no armies, no way to build anything, the "move army" and "conquer" buttons don't do anything...there's just nothing to do. All I see as a map and some buttons that allow me to view resources. Nothing actually does anything. I don't see any game to play. From the description on the opening post and the fact that there's another thread, I assume there's more going on here than I'm seeing. But if you want people to find it, I think you need to make it easier to get to than asking us to dig through thread to copy and paste xml into boxes only to get non-interative menus that don't do anything.
Post by: Vanigo on May 06, 2012, 06:57:25 pm
Being asked which player I am seems like a bad arrangement. It appears that anyone can view/act as other players just by claiming to be them. Or at most, copy and pasting their XML from the thread.Yes, anyone can see everything on the map; there's no fog of war. This is more or less by design, actually. I could stick "explored by player X" tags on the tiles, but the problem with that is that the XML is very human-readable. You could still learn everything you want to know by reading the XML, and having a hoop to jump through would just give a huge advantage to those willing to jump through it. The alternative would be to produce different XML files for each player, but that would just be a huge hassle all around - for me, as the programmer, for the game administrator, who would have to PM a ton of files around, and for the spectators, who wouldn't get to spectate.
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There doesn't seem to be much of anything to do...Ah, yeah. It's a PBEM, so the player interface only produces orders. It then generates a "turn orders" XML file, which you give to the administrator. The admin loads the game file, loads in all the orders, and hits "run turn", which gives him an event log and a new game state for the next turn. The players take the new turn file, set up their next turn's orders, and the cycle repeats.
I'll see what I can do about a more comprehensive manual.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 06, 2012, 07:05:09 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 06, 2012, 07:09:25 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 06, 2012, 07:11:14 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 06, 2012, 08:07:02 pm
Once you've done this, you will be prompted to select which player you are. Once you've done so, you'll be ready to interact with the main screen:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2dhtlqc.png)
The main screen is divided into several sections, as follows:
1: Main map. Click on tiles to select them for closer inspection. You can scroll this map by clicking on the brown frame.
2: Global buttons. The "Save Game" button produces an XML file containing your orders (more on this later). The "Players", "Resources", and "Orders" buttons brings up the player, resources and orders windows, respectively, which are described in greater detail below.
3: Basic tile information. This section of the screen shows the selected tile, its owner, and its base terrain type. To claim an unowned tile, click on the tile owner text box (which should read "Unclaimed").
4: Tile features. This section indicates the presence of rivers, roads, special resources, and tile improvements. To build a road or an improvement, click on the corresponding boxes.
5: Tile output. This box shows the expected resource output of the selected tile. This is non-interactive.
6: City information. This box shows the tile's population, and, if applicable, the name of any city present. If you want to build a city on a tile you control, click on this text box. Clicking on the box with a city already present brings up the city window (described below).
7: Army information. This box has information on any military units present in the tile, and two buttons to issue orders to your armies. Clicking on the text box brings up the armies window (described below). If you have armies present in the tile, you may order them to move around the map with the "move army" button (and then using the numpad or the on-screen arrow keys to move), and, if you have an army in an enemy's tile, you may use the "conquer" button to take it away.
8: Minimap. It's a minimap, which you are hopefully familiar with. You can click it to recenter the map.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/1ze9m3m.png)
There is little to remark on in the player window. Your total population and free population are important to keep track of, but straightforward. The lists of your cities, units, and armies are similarly self-explanatory.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/eb3sq0.png)
This window shows your current resource stockpiles, the expected net change, and your expected stockpiles at the begining of next turn.
You can see in the lower right corner that the minimap is overlapping the resources window. This is a bug, and I'm going to fix it.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2a91v7t.png)
This window shows all the orders you have given for next turn. You may cancel most orders here, but army reorganization orders cannot be canceled. (This is because doing so is computationally much more difficult than you might expect.) Most reorganization orders can simply be performed in reverse, but if you order a unit or army disbanded and then change your mind, you will have to close the interface, and reload the game, so be careful with those orders.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/sgl37o.png)
This window is one of the most important. This is where you order units and buildings to be built. Taking things from the top, you can rename your cities by clicking on the name box, and order your cities to grow or shrink in population with the + and - buttons by the population box.
Next is the list of buildings. Every building in the game (except for a few hidden ones!) is shown here. Select them for more information on what they do and what they cost to build. Buildings in bold are currently present in the selected city, buildings in black can be built, and buildings in grey are currently unavailable because the city is too small or lacks one or more prerequisite buildings. If you want to build a building, select it from the list and click "build building".
Finally, the "raise unit" button brings up a list of units you can build at this city, and lets you select one to build.
Be aware, each city can only perform one action (raise population, lower population, build building, build unit) each turn. You can cancel the current order by clicking on it in the "current order" box.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2d826gz.png)
This window is where you examine and reorganize your armies. Armies are the containers which hold your military units. You can create new empty armies with the "new army" button at any time, but they will automatically disband themselves unless you move at least one unit into them. You may have more than one army in a tile, in which case you can select one from the list of armies. You can also rename your armies by clicking on the army name box.
Armies often contain more than one unit, and the units in an army can be examined separately. After selecting a unit, you can disband it, or move it to another army in the same tile with the appropriate buttons.
After you have examined the game state, decided what you want to do, and issued the appropriate orders, click on the "save game" button on the main screen. This will bring up a text box with XML containing all the orders you have issued. Copy and paste the contents of this box into a post or PM sent to the game's administrator.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 06, 2012, 08:53:05 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2012, 04:59:29 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 07, 2012, 06:29:50 am
Post by: Vanigo on May 07, 2012, 04:51:07 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2012, 04:51:52 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 07, 2012, 05:24:06 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 07, 2012, 05:46:03 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 07, 2012, 06:32:30 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 07, 2012, 06:33:50 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 07, 2012, 09:45:31 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 08, 2012, 06:28:05 am
Duchy of Dunottar if you please.
Post by: Vanigo on May 08, 2012, 07:38:03 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 08, 2012, 08:05:29 pm
Post by: Twi on May 08, 2012, 08:37:17 pm
Maybe later if we still have slots tomorrow somehow~
Post by: Vanigo on May 08, 2012, 08:45:03 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 08, 2012, 08:58:36 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 09, 2012, 02:26:10 am
What's the setting BTW?
Post by: Vanigo on May 09, 2012, 06:37:33 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 09, 2012, 06:49:53 pm
I will be the Imperial Grand Dukedom of Illyria. My capital city is Thororaisi. If possible, I will name my ruler "Grand Duke Rgeront". Expect a greek theme in naming.
Edit: If Dukedom wasn't a word before, it is now goddamn it.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 09, 2012, 07:04:42 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2012, 07:05:42 pm
Either way, nobody's going to tell a Duke his Dukedom is actually a Duchy. :P
Capital of Tarr will be Tarrsil.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 09, 2012, 09:51:48 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 09, 2012, 10:21:04 pm
Also, banning libraries blocks you off from pretty much every advanced unit - the building tree goes a lot deeper than before - and also prevents you from collecting inspiration, which is used for things like "all units built here get +20% health". You'd have a big early boost, but you'd be crippled once people start getting pegasus knights and pyromancers and whatnot.
Post by: Vanigo on May 11, 2012, 04:13:30 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 11, 2012, 05:23:41 pm
Wonder when it started doing this. I'm pretty sure this is new...
Edit: Ah, it was the minimap leaking memory every time it updated. All fixed now.
Post by: Vanigo on May 11, 2012, 08:08:17 pm
Open this file (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20start.txt), copy the contents, and paste it into the player interface.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 11, 2012, 09:18:25 pm
Spoiler: "Arcadia" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 11, 2012, 09:24:19 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 11, 2012, 09:54:00 pm
EDIT: New orders up. That's about all I can do right now, correct?
Post by: Vanigo on May 11, 2012, 10:01:22 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 11, 2012, 10:02:30 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 12, 2012, 09:02:01 am
Spoiler: The Dukedom claims more of its native region! (click to show/hide)
Edit: I assume no wars have been declared as of yet?
Post by: Sheb on May 12, 2012, 02:51:24 pm
Spoiler: Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Here it goes. I guess it's understood we're not to look at each other's orders.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 12, 2012, 02:57:40 pm
Spoiler: The empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
How do you gain free population?
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 12, 2012, 04:06:13 pm
How do you gain free population?
You click the "increase population" button in a city, I think.
Post by: Vanigo on May 12, 2012, 06:51:55 pm
Food is... pretty important in the very early game. If you want to change your orders in light of this information, go ahead.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 12, 2012, 08:31:15 pm
EDIT: changed.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 13, 2012, 02:45:12 am
EDIT: I think I'm doing better now. The Player button indicates your total and free population, with free population being whatever parts of your population aren't part of the city or working the tiles you've claimed. City population is used to unlock better buildings and nothing else (I think?). I'm still not entirely clear on the purpose of founding new cities, since apparently you need to have claimed the spot to found a new city anyway?
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 13, 2012, 03:48:39 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2012, 04:09:51 am
Post by: Sheb on May 13, 2012, 04:18:03 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2012, 04:19:21 am
Post by: Sheb on May 13, 2012, 04:23:35 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2012, 04:29:37 am
Spoiler: Turn Results (click to show/hide)
Here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/79133397/turn2.txt) is the XML for the next turn
That should be it I think.
Post by: Sheb on May 13, 2012, 07:09:22 am
Spoiler: Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Azthor on May 13, 2012, 07:21:26 am
Well, you can recruit troops and stuff in city, and city produce labor and gold. It might be more effcient to have several cities rather than a huge one. P.S. I'll edit my turn as well then.
I am partially responsible for the last thread dying off. Overall, a few large cities tend to be a better choice than many small ones; the labor and gold gains accelerate as the city's level rises, and large cities allow for infrastructure to be built in 21 surrounding tiles, up two tiles away, sans corners, whereas small cities only cover the 8 directly surrounding tiles. It is also easier to put several buildings, which often unlock new units, in a single city, rather than providing for that building to be present in different cities.
Post by: Vanigo on May 13, 2012, 09:49:08 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 13, 2012, 10:41:13 am
Spoiler: Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 13, 2012, 10:42:24 am
Post by: Sheb on May 13, 2012, 11:19:38 am
Post by: Azthor on May 13, 2012, 11:26:45 am
In a real game I guess we should send the turns by PM to the MJ so that we can't spy on each other, but since this is a beta, is ti that important?
We did resort to that in a previous game.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 13, 2012, 11:31:49 am
Spoiler: "Arcadia" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 14, 2012, 05:49:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 14, 2012, 06:40:15 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 15, 2012, 09:51:33 am
Spoiler: End of Turn Report (click to show/hide)
Save (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ws7lw4rdt910u8/Turn%203.rtf)
Post by: Sheb on May 15, 2012, 10:04:00 am
Spoiler: Turn of the Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 15, 2012, 04:16:54 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 15, 2012, 05:16:31 pm
Spoiler: "Arcadia" (click to show/hide)
Hey, it's not much, but it works... Free population produces labor, right?
Post by: Kashyyk on May 15, 2012, 05:20:21 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 15, 2012, 05:49:52 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 15, 2012, 06:03:32 pm
Doomblade, Kashyyk is correct. Free population does nothing but eat food. Labor is produced by cities, the larger the better. Base production is 0, 1, 1, 2, and 3 labor for size 2-6 cities, if I'm remembering right off the top of my head - but you can't grow a city to size 6 without an aqueduct, which requires an engineer's guild, which produces 1 labor itself, so in practices every size 6 city produces 4 labor.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 15, 2012, 06:27:36 pm
Oh, I'd have run the turn yesterday, but I didn't realize Sheb had edited his turn instead of posting again. I just counted four turns after my post. Sorry about that.
Doomblade, Kashyyk is correct. Free population does nothing but eat food. Labor is produced by cities, the larger the better. Base production is 0, 1, 1, 2, and 3 labor for size 2-6 cities, if I'm remembering right off the top of my head - but you can't grow a city to size 6 without an aqueduct, which requires an engineer's guild, which produces 1 labor itself, so in practices every size 6 city produces 4 labor.
Thanks for clearing that up. Changed my orders.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 15, 2012, 07:04:54 pm
Spoiler: Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 15, 2012, 07:29:04 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 15, 2012, 07:45:13 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 15, 2012, 09:03:16 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 15, 2012, 11:15:34 pm
(Also, please don't use .rtf files in the future. File formats that'll open right in the browser are much more convenient. I recommend plain text.)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Ah, whoops. I just realized I have horses on hills at one spot. You can't actually build horse pastures on hills, so that's something of a problem. I'll figure something out tomorrow; it's late.
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 03:59:16 am
And sorry about the .rtf, didn't realize it wouldn't load.
Spoiler: Orders of the Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Garanteed without problems.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 06:48:50 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, how do you increase the area of influence of a city of yours to build improvements further out, and how do you build 3-labor buildings to reach pop 6 with a pop 5 city that produces 2 labor? Do I just build a new city?
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 09:31:54 am
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 16, 2012, 02:16:48 pm
Spoiler: 8,10's Iron is so fucking mine, bitches. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 02:32:07 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 02:34:25 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 16, 2012, 02:39:00 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 02:50:24 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 03:06:15 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 03:20:32 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 03:21:52 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 03:29:05 pm
Ti to run the turn. Kashyyk, will ye do it?
Sure.
Spoiler: Game State (click to show/hide)
Game save (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/79133397/Turn5.txt)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 03:43:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 03:45:58 pm
Edit: Better?
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 04:05:19 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 04:07:30 pm
More weirdness: I got 7 food in Kashyyk's save, and 6 in the turn I run, no difference for pop number.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 04:18:45 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 04:19:07 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 16, 2012, 04:26:05 pm
Spoiler: Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 04:40:41 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 05:03:13 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 16, 2012, 05:24:26 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tenusad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 05:44:36 pm
Just a small question for Vanigo- can we trade with other players?I didn't build any trading into the game, on the theory that that type of thing could be handled by the admin. So, yes. Not without a viable trade route, though, preliminarily defined as a road or enough ships to make things plausible.
Edit: This is weird. When I run the turn, nobody has as much food as they do in Kashyyk's turn; from one to four points less (resulting in one less population for Arcadia). I have no idea what could be causing this.
Edit again: Okay, this is just bizzare. There's some kind of bug that only shows up when the interface is loaded through dropbox - If I run the .swf directly off my hard drive, even if I open it in Firefox, it works fine. Grab it from dropbox, though, and it throws extra food around erratically. Caching may be involved, I guess? This is going to be really hard to track down. In the meantime, could someone try downloading the admin interface and running it locally? You'll need the ruleset xml file, too, which you can find here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/GameRules011.xml).
I'll run the turn and get the proper amount of food in.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 06:51:54 pm
Quote from: Ruleset Error
XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/GameRules011.xml
Line Number 52, Column 40: <builton><type code="forest" /><type="swamp" /></builton></improvement>
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 06:56:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I guess I'll have to run the turns until I can figure out what's going on... although I just reloaded and now it seems to be working? I'm confused. Keep an eye on food, everyone. Food adds up like you'd expect and you eat food equal to your population. If it doesn't seem to be adding up right, speak up.
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 06:57:19 pm
Fixed. Wasn't really causing any major problems anyway, though; Firefox just didn't want to display it.Quote from: Ruleset ErrorXML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/GameRules011.xml
Line Number 52, Column 40: <builton><type code="forest" /><type="swamp" /></builton></improvement>
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 06:59:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...why are the resources in a different order?
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 07:06:48 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 07:17:50 pm
Here's the results I got from running it locally anyway (and yeah, ran fine regardless):Okay, so maybe I introduced and then fixed a bug without noticing, and the cached version on some people's machines hasn't updated. That's the only thing I can think of, anyway. (Although it doesn't make much sense, since I haven't touched anything related to food production in months...) Could you try clearing your cache, re-downloading, and trying again?
...why are the resources in a different order?
Post by: IronyOwl on May 16, 2012, 07:25:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Same order. This is running in IE (for some reason it can't find Firefox), if that matters.
Post by: Vanigo on May 16, 2012, 07:29:15 pm
Irony, the order of the resources in the xml is totally irrelevant. The way I built it, the order they show up in is somewhat indeterminate, and I don't care in the slightest.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 16, 2012, 07:31:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 17, 2012, 02:28:00 am
Last turn, I had no food left and was generating 16 excess food. I had 15 population. I used 7 food to generate one more free pop (9 food left). Let's say that free pop ate 1 food, that mean I should have 9 food left, enough for a second population to spawn. Instead, I've got no more pop and only 4 food left at the start of this turn. What's wrong with my understanding of the rules?
Edit: Got it, actually I was generating 25 food, eating 16, and my claim would lead to two more food. There seems to be a bug in the "expected change this turn" window.
Spoiler: Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Edit the Second: Does the map wrap around?
Post by: Kashyyk on May 17, 2012, 09:28:06 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tenusad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 17, 2012, 04:22:50 pm
Sheb, the map does not wrap around.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 17, 2012, 06:12:16 pm
Spoiler: Here ya go. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 17, 2012, 10:33:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 17, 2012, 10:39:56 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 17, 2012, 10:49:07 pm
How does claiming over water work? It doesn't seem to want to let me claim anything that's only adjacent to a claimed water tile.This is as intended. To claim a tile, it must be either adjacent (including diagonals) to a land tile you already claim, or it must be a land tile adjacent to a sea unit you control. (A flying unit over water probably works, too, come to think of it.)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 17, 2012, 11:07:43 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 17, 2012, 11:41:39 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 18, 2012, 12:14:47 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 18, 2012, 01:59:59 am
Post by: Sheb on May 18, 2012, 02:04:57 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 18, 2012, 06:47:15 am
Spoiler: Orders for Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 18, 2012, 10:48:17 am
Spoiler: the Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
What do roads actually do?
Post by: Sheb on May 18, 2012, 10:54:39 am
Post by: Azthor on May 18, 2012, 12:56:00 pm
They allow trading between road-connected empire, and I guess they makes moving around easier.
They do improve movement; infantry can move two tiles a turn if there is a tile with a road between the starting point and the destination.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 18, 2012, 02:04:39 pm
Spoiler: Dropping my Second City (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 19, 2012, 09:13:24 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 19, 2012, 09:51:32 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 20, 2012, 01:03:45 am
Spoiler: Orders of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 20, 2012, 04:33:30 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 20, 2012, 12:42:30 pm
Spoiler: I have the Sneaking feeling that I'm shit at this game. (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 20, 2012, 04:45:28 pm
At this point I should state that there is no way in hell I'm letting you have all that juicy island for you alone.I'm not especially interested in the northern half, but good luck getting both that and a fair chunk of the mainland.
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 20, 2012, 08:19:14 pm
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Post by: IronyOwl on May 20, 2012, 08:49:46 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 20, 2012, 09:02:02 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on May 21, 2012, 12:02:52 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
I want to build two 1 labour improvements, but that apparently costs 3 labour. How come?
Post by: Sheb on May 21, 2012, 01:24:32 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 21, 2012, 02:05:24 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom Of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 21, 2012, 07:44:52 pm
I want to build two 1 labour improvements, but that apparently costs 3 labour. How come?That's a bug, and one I've seen reported before. I've never seen it myself, though, and I have no idea how to replicate it. If you can reproduce it, could you give me step-by-step directions, please?
Post by: Kashyyk on May 22, 2012, 10:25:02 am
2. Build a Farm at (7,17)
3. Build a Hunter's Camp at (5,16)
4. When the Save Game button is pressed, the resource shortage button should appear.
If you were to build the Farm and Hunter's Camp in reverse order, the third unit of labour is not used.
Post by: Vanigo on May 22, 2012, 11:59:00 am
Post by: Kashyyk on May 22, 2012, 12:37:00 pm
No actions in the turn are changed, but I've redone the turn anyway, just in case.
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 23, 2012, 12:14:14 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 23, 2012, 12:29:08 pm
Spoiler: Orders of the Mighty Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 23, 2012, 12:54:55 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on May 23, 2012, 01:18:09 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 23, 2012, 02:12:52 pm
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Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 23, 2012, 03:31:14 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 23, 2012, 06:00:54 pm
Spoiler: Orders for the Order God (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 23, 2012, 06:06:29 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 23, 2012, 06:08:13 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 23, 2012, 06:25:23 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 23, 2012, 07:11:42 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 23, 2012, 07:23:37 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 23, 2012, 09:08:39 pm
Well, IronyOwl, I'll respect your claims and carve up the continent between me and Doomsblade then.
Johnfalcon, you want both mithril and pegasus? Does that unlock some special unit? Anyway, I don't want to take the chance. The Duchy of Dunottar officially stand with whatever's Doomblade's empire is's claim.
By the way, or should our continent be name? I vote for Cimmeria for ours, and Avalonia for Jonhfalcon's.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 23, 2012, 09:10:33 pm
EDIT: And John, I only really want the Pegasi on the center island, so feel free to take the other part. Alternatively, I could trade with you later, but we'll see about that when we get there.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 24, 2012, 07:21:10 am
I agree with the Continent names. I think that the first settlers on a new island should be able to name it as well.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 24, 2012, 08:30:37 am
Post by: Sheb on May 24, 2012, 11:11:43 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 24, 2012, 11:17:39 am
Or better yet: one of you drop his claim on that island, in exchange for a tribute to be paid in Pegasi?Thats pretty much what I had in Mind. But then again...
OK then, how about this- you claim the island, and I trade one of the rarer resources near me for the pegasi, so that we both get pegasi and you can also get some extra mana.Depends on which Resource. If you can present me with something Valuable enough, then maybe you could change my mind.
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 24, 2012, 11:41:17 am
Post by: Vanigo on May 25, 2012, 07:25:23 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 26, 2012, 02:49:55 am
Spoiler: Real Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 26, 2012, 12:31:11 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on May 26, 2012, 04:34:34 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
What happens if a tile is claimed by two players on the same turn?
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 26, 2012, 04:50:26 pm
Spoiler: "Arcadia" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 27, 2012, 03:46:59 am
Spoiler: Order (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 27, 2012, 02:00:48 pm
What happens if a tile is claimed by two players on the same turn?Claiming order is randomized every turn, so who gets the disputed tile(s) is 50/50. Or 33/33/33, or whatever.
Post by: Sheb on May 27, 2012, 02:16:13 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 28, 2012, 12:07:49 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 28, 2012, 01:27:16 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 28, 2012, 01:56:54 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2012, 03:49:22 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on May 28, 2012, 09:41:39 pm
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Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2012, 10:41:56 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 29, 2012, 09:53:00 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 29, 2012, 10:06:39 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on May 29, 2012, 10:08:35 am
Spoiler: Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 29, 2012, 04:33:00 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illriya (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 29, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
When I move around the map, the selected square outline is still visible, as is the army move arrow. And the territory boundary lines overlap with the east side of the map view screen.
Post by: Vanigo on May 29, 2012, 09:38:27 pm
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Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 29, 2012, 09:41:00 pm
Post by: Vanigo on May 29, 2012, 09:47:29 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 30, 2012, 05:59:08 am
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 30, 2012, 06:07:43 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 30, 2012, 06:20:14 am
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Sheb, when did you become a Grand Duke instead of just a Duke? You can't just make that swtich in the snap of a finger :P
Post by: Sheb on May 30, 2012, 07:21:48 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on May 30, 2012, 10:20:04 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on May 30, 2012, 10:24:06 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 31, 2012, 06:58:48 am
Well, what with starting settlement over another island, I just decided to give myself a bigger title. Why, are you going to contest that?
Just because you have settlements which are spread out doesn't mean that you are more powerful :P
Post by: Sheb on May 31, 2012, 07:02:57 am
I pray you'll now retract your words and refer to us by our rightful title of Grand Duke of Dunottar, or I'll have you answer for your insolence.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 31, 2012, 08:10:34 am
And only a fool relies on Peasant jabber for information. You also have your fair share of not very flattering rumors. At least I'm not actually the Legitimized Bastard Son of a rather Hedonistic and Lustful Father, unlike OTHER people...
OOC: OH SNAP.
Post by: Sheb on May 31, 2012, 10:34:24 am
Your "Grand Dukedom" is but a stretch of wilderness with a few hatch huts quickly put toghether. I won't pursue this argument, for you're not worth my breath, but I'll ask you barbarian to stay on your island. I'll fully back Arcadia's claim to Pegasi Island, and won't suffer your rough excuse for soldiers getting that near to my shore.
P.S. Emperor Kashyyk, I ain't sure, but I think he insulted your momma.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 31, 2012, 11:02:32 am
P.S. It seems that Duke Sheb, trying to deflect the truth, has acted to say the insult was at your fine Mother. Therefore, the pathetic house of Dunottar has just technically called your mother the son of a Hedonistic Slut.
Post by: Kashyyk on May 31, 2012, 11:38:47 am
Post by: Vanigo on May 31, 2012, 08:49:32 pm
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Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on May 31, 2012, 08:53:00 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 01, 2012, 07:45:57 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 07:48:54 am
Post by: Sheb on June 01, 2012, 07:51:04 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 07:55:50 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 08:13:36 am
Post by: Sheb on June 01, 2012, 08:28:19 am
Dear Tyrant, my barge, currently going around Cimmeria, ready to support you into whatever claim you wish to make over Pegasi Island. We will see what we can do about sending some troops to support said claim.
Emperor, we would like to know if you'd let us use your lands as a landing point for our glorious armies. You would gain our eternal reconnaissance, and if you were to fight by our side, we would gladly let you take all the spoil from Illyrian land.
((Does the map wrap around BTW?))
Post by: Kashyyk on June 01, 2012, 08:35:03 am
((Does the map wrap around BTW?))
iirc, Vanigo said no.
Spoiler: The Humble Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Grand Duke Sheb, if you wish to declare war upon Grand Duke Falcon, then you have Emperor's permission to land your forces on Tesunad soil. Declaring allegiance one way or the other however, is not something I can do at this time.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 09:45:38 am
(Doomblade, how do you feel about trading the Mithril on the South Eastern Island for the Pegsi?)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 10:01:35 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 10:09:44 am
And may I need Remind you that, if Sheb wins, he will gain all my resources and cities. Whats to say that he won't turn on you after that? Three Iron, Mithril, at least +3 population, and not to forget what he already has. Whos to say that, if he wins, he won't decide that a unit made with Mithril+Pegsi would be more useful then an Alliance? Think about that for a minute.
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 10:31:36 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 11:11:35 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 11:15:21 am
Post by: Sheb on June 01, 2012, 12:44:34 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on June 01, 2012, 04:43:10 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 05:43:02 pm
Actually Rgeront, he stated his position clearly a while back.
Spoiler: Yes, he did (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 07:49:59 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 01, 2012, 08:24:01 pm
I'll finalize how much I send you when I see the production rate for pegasi. Vanigo?Two a turn... which reminds me, I meant to increase horse production to 2 a turn when I made stables not build-anywhereable. I've doubled everyone's horse stockpiles. Fixed some other things while I was at it.
Incidentally, if anyone wants to check out the rules XML, you can find it here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/GameRules011.xml).
Now, then, I believe I saw five sets of orders. Double-posting, ho!
Edit: Uh, Sheb? You can't actually build a mine and a city on the same tile. If your plan is to render that iron tile unusable, then go ahead and build there, but I'll give you a chance to change your orders.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 01, 2012, 08:40:02 pm
Sheb means my position of owning the island and trading pegasi to you.
That was not what I was saying. What I am saying is that you have drastically changed your posistion now, from wanting the Pegsi to wanting the Island.
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 01, 2012, 10:05:42 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 02, 2012, 07:57:23 am
Spoiler: New Order of His Higness and so on and so on. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 02, 2012, 09:03:39 am
Spoiler: Massive (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 02, 2012, 12:44:10 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 02, 2012, 01:20:00 pm
The file is on my folder on the uni's server, and I don't think I can access it from home, so you'll have to wait, except if you want to re-do the map.
Post by: Vanigo on June 03, 2012, 03:03:40 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on June 03, 2012, 05:03:48 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
If the Grand Duke Falcon wishes to continue his dispute with the Grand Duke Sheb, then it is down to him to initiate combat and bring the fight to Dunottar, or to Pegasi Island. However, the Emperor discourages those of Cimmeria to attempt to land forces on Illyrian land.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 03, 2012, 06:59:32 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 04, 2012, 02:06:44 am
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
We understand Tenusad's wish not to have a war at its border, and will respect that wish. We do however repeat our total support for Arcadia's taking over of Pegasi Island.
Finally, we wish to offer Lord Rgedont a peaceful hand. If he offer us his apologies, and respect our titles, we will refrain from any aggressive action and offer his a trade treaty.
We also wish to make it c
Post by: IronyOwl on June 05, 2012, 05:46:42 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 05, 2012, 10:31:30 pm
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The turn is:
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Post by: IronyOwl on June 05, 2012, 11:02:42 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 06, 2012, 02:18:18 am
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 06, 2012, 02:20:54 am
Also, since we're many to have made ship, if someone wish to trade (I'm mostly thinking about reagent, I got tons of the stuff and you might need it), let them be welcome.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 06, 2012, 04:41:54 am
I am also claiming Sclavia.
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Post by: Kashyyk on June 08, 2012, 05:26:16 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 09, 2012, 01:48:43 am
Post by: Vanigo on June 09, 2012, 08:21:38 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 10, 2012, 01:11:20 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 10, 2012, 01:32:19 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 10, 2012, 01:38:47 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 10, 2012, 10:33:22 pm
Working on the turn now.
Post by: Vanigo on June 10, 2012, 10:54:24 pm
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renamed to The second Self-Defense GroupPost by: Sheb on June 10, 2012, 11:34:04 pm
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Doomblade, I tough we had an agreement that 11 was going to be my southern border. If you wanted to renegociate it, you should at least have asked me before, now, I've got unproductive population and lost a turn before I can establish my third city...
Post by: IronyOwl on June 11, 2012, 02:18:18 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 11, 2012, 04:48:02 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 11, 2012, 08:36:38 pm
You know what? I'm keeping that name. Good luck pronouncing it. :P
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 11, 2012, 08:53:17 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
And, Duke of Dunottar, may I ask what that barge of yours is doing by the southeastern island that I specifically claimed? You already have claimed the northeastern island, and I recall claiming the large southeastern island. Don't worry about the borders, though- I'm just picking up some food squares over to the west. IronyOwl, you have been declared a threat to the safety of Arcadia, and have therefor been targeted for proactive self-defense. Please do not threaten the safety of our peaceful nation.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 11, 2012, 09:18:17 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 12, 2012, 01:50:25 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 13, 2012, 05:32:09 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 13, 2012, 11:25:27 pm
JohnFalcon, it looks like the bottom of your turn got cut off. I hope you wanted that barge to move due north, because that was my best guess for what you wanted to do with its second move.
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Post by: Sheb on June 14, 2012, 04:11:46 am
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on June 14, 2012, 01:09:47 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 14, 2012, 01:25:45 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 14, 2012, 03:11:24 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on June 14, 2012, 03:42:12 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 14, 2012, 05:10:05 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 14, 2012, 05:34:13 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 14, 2012, 08:02:54 pm
Edit: But come to think of it, I haven't uploaded the fixed version yet. Have to take care of that tomorrow.
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Spoiler: Combat! (click to show/hide)
Close one. Those horsemen are down to two hit points. And they're one experience point away from leveling.
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2018.txt)
Post by: Sheb on June 15, 2012, 03:04:20 am
I wonder who he struck a deal with, but I'm in deep shit I guess. Well, I'll pledge fealty to anyone that can give me a hand against him.
Also, did some quick math, and Doomblade can hope to gain anywhere from 6 to 10 populations from his conquests. I hope you have plan to deal with a "Super-Arcadia". Yeah, I'm looking at you IronyOwl: you're bound to be next in line, so you better do something about it (
Post by: Sheb on June 15, 2012, 03:13:19 am
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on June 15, 2012, 05:49:06 am
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 15, 2012, 12:23:41 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 15, 2012, 05:15:11 pm
Also, did some quick math, and Doomblade can hope to gain anywhere from 6 to 10 populations from his conquests.Only if you build a bunch of cities for him to take. Conquering city-less tiles depopulates them, it doesn't transfer control to the conqueror. Only cities can actually be taken, and they lose a point of population in the transfer. (Unless they're already size 2.)
Post by: IronyOwl on June 15, 2012, 05:56:47 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 16, 2012, 02:29:33 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 17, 2012, 09:52:17 am
Post by: Kashyyk on June 18, 2012, 05:56:49 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 18, 2012, 08:26:19 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 18, 2012, 08:28:17 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 20, 2012, 04:01:16 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 20, 2012, 04:22:03 pm
Spoiler: Okay, two or three days. Don't judge me. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 20, 2012, 06:05:19 pm
Edit: No, wait, the code's fine; the problem is that I gave level 1 barges 1 attack, making them incapable of damaging anything with defense greater than zero.
Post by: Vanigo on June 20, 2012, 06:14:49 pm
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Spoiler: Combat! (click to show/hide)
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2019.txt)
Post by: Kashyyk on June 20, 2012, 06:34:19 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
So, every time a unit makes an attack, regardless of the result, it gains XP?
Post by: Vanigo on June 20, 2012, 07:22:09 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 20, 2012, 07:42:18 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 20, 2012, 09:26:16 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
IronyOwl, don't worry about the lancers by your border- they're just mopping up some spare food tiles of Sheb's.
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 04:44:52 am
Lord Rgedont, you're pitiful in your hope to gain something by jumping on a weakened man. Totally unworthy of a noble.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 07:31:03 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
IronyOwl, don't worry about the lancers by your border- they're just mopping up some spare food tiles of Sheb's.Speaking of which, if you're going to claim from the entire center of Cimmeria down I think I'm going to have to reserve the water mana island after all. Considering the amount of land that's obviously yours but you haven't gotten around to planting population on yet, I really don't see how you can justify claiming that island as well.
Well, yeah. I'll just assume Sheb will realize that is an Offical declaration of war.
Lord Rgedont, you're pitiful in your hope to gain something by jumping on a weakened man. Totally unworthy of a noble.What... exactly happened here?
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 08:58:17 am
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 21, 2012, 10:20:44 am
Lord Rgedont, you're pitiful in your hope to gain something by jumping on a weakened man. Totally unworthy of a noble.
Actually, I was planning on invading you for a while. I was going to do it with Doomblade, but then he did his own war so I assumed now was the time to jump in.
Also, I don't know if you realize, but you kinda have some pretty huge balls to insult someone while getting curb'd by three nations.
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 10:27:58 am
Anyway, you're not getting anything out of this war, and won't get anything. Just stop being silly and invest your ressources if building up your pitiful country, so weak it wasn't even deemd worth of invasion yet.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 21, 2012, 12:33:59 pm
Why? Because not insulting you would mean I wouldn't get invaded by three nations? At least I'll go down with style.
Anyway, you're not getting anything out of this war, and won't get anything. Just stop being silly and invest your ressources if building up your pitiful country, so weak it wasn't even deemd worth of invasion yet.
Oh, I get something. out of this war. Want to know what I get? I get your land, Castle Dunottar, more resources, the Death mana to the north, one less competitor, and I ALSO get revenge for your dick comments about how I was terrible. Which is funny, seeing as your the one at war with four nations now. Yes, I said FOUR nations. Tesunad JUST offered to join my war, and I accepted his offer. So you are effectively at war with EVERYONE now. Deal with it.
Sheb, I think its time to accept the fact that your kind of fucked.
Edit:
Do to Shebs "Not-Going-To-Live-For-Much-Longer" thing, I decided to make a new Claims map.
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 01:56:04 pm
Tenusad and Tarr may be at war, but since they have not cities to take, they have no interest in getting involved. At most I'd expect token troops, while they invest their energy in colonizing. You have nothing to win either (Because, do you really believe Arcadia will hand over Caste Dunottar to you?)
So I've got to hold against Arcadia and you for long enough to drain your economies. That should be doable. I may not win this one, but I'll bring you down with me (and possibly bring down Arcadia too, although I doubt it. Well played Doomblade)
Post by: Azthor on June 21, 2012, 02:32:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on June 21, 2012, 03:20:08 pm
Yes, I am declaring war on you Sheb. Might as well grab some land before someone else gets there.
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 03:36:54 pm
But we'll fight to the last man, woman and child! Generations to come will remember the last stand of the House of Dunottar, and by God, every single acre of our land will be paid in blood!
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 21, 2012, 04:14:35 pm
Well, maybe I was wrong.
But we'll fight to the last man, woman and child! Generations to come will remember the last stand of the House of Dunottar, and by God, every single acre of our land will be paid in blood!
For gods sake, shut up and die. Nobody cares about your fucking fluff.
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2012, 04:16:20 pm
EDIT: I'd post my orders now, but for some reason nothing happen when I press "Load" on the player interface. Must be something to do with my computer, since it's working fine for the others (It's almost 10 years old). I'll post it from the library computer tomorrow.
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 21, 2012, 07:50:33 pm
Oh, and Sheb- I've been planning that betrayal for a while. The original plan was to act like I was defending against JohnFalcon, and then backstab you, but as you see, that changed. I do respect your kingdom, but I feel that your recent expansion has threatened the future of my nation. If you would like to discuss surrender terms anytime in the future, I will be more than willing to bring an end to this fruitless war and protect you from other aggressors. I will also spare your people from senseless bloodshed.
EDIT: IronyOwl, I realize that you are worried about me claiming undue amounts of land- I respect that. I do not plan to settle cities in the center of our shared continent- I feel no need for that area. I plan to make as Sheb did in his expansion, and bypass the middle area- I'm interested in the north, not the middle. In fact, should you choose to establish a city in the middle of our shared continent, then I would have no complaint, providing it is not too close to my other cities.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 21, 2012, 08:10:06 pm
Does death mana have an use now?With a cathedral, it can be used to build a Chapel of Death, which then allows Priests of Death, Skeletons, and Ghouls. No clue what those are or how much they cost.
EDIT: IronyOwl, I realize that you are worried about me claiming undue amounts of land- I respect that. I do not plan to settle cities in the center of our shared continent- I feel no need for that area. I plan to make as Sheb did in his expansion, and bypass the middle area- I'm interested in the north, not the middle. In fact, should you choose to establish a city in the middle of our shared continent, then I would have no complaint, providing it is not too close to my other cities.Well, what do you mean by "middle?" I mean, you've got Stonehaven and that river to the west of it, which I'd consider middle-south, so unless you're planning on abandoning those I'm not sure what middle is left, much less what's left that isn't "too close" to one of your other cities.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 21, 2012, 08:34:17 pm
JohnFalcon- I notice that you have claimed the entire northern half of my continent. I don not accept this, as while I respect your office as ruler of your lands, I am spending my troops lives for that land- you are not. Therefore, I must lay claim to that area- me and IronyOwl have already figured out our disputes over borders. Speaking of which, Kashyyk, I have already claimed the smaller island to the Southeast, negotiating with IronyOwl.
You assume that I do not plan on any kind of contribuation to the war effort at all. You assume I can perform tasks far faster then I can in reality. I do not know what you have worked out with IronyOwl, but from my view, this is what you would get in the land claims you seem to want to propose:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And for some reason, I can't just let that fly.
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 21, 2012, 08:50:27 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 21, 2012, 10:06:18 pm
You know, you could fire up admin mode and take a look at some of these things.Does death mana have an use now?With a cathedral, it can be used to build a Chapel of Death, which then allows Priests of Death, Skeletons, and Ghouls. No clue what those are or how much they cost.
Priests of Death, like every tier 3 caster, are pretty potent. They debuff every living enemy on the battlefield, and permanently debuff anyone they hit - the only permanent debuff in the game, in fact. Plus, you know, good combat stats. Skeletons are kind of interesting. They're only as strong as axemen, but they cost a grand total of zero labor and one money. Ghouls are tougher and somewhat more expensive.
Other tier 3 casters are also pretty sweet. Priests of life buff everyone's defense and resistance, heal, and weaken enemy undead. Air mages buff your archers' range, debuff enemy archers' range, and, starting at level 3, can fly. Hydromancers buff resistance (a lot) and weaken and slow enemies they hit. Pyromancers are surprisingly team-oriented in their destructiveness; they debuff resistance and buff attack. Earth mages have the strongest magic attack in the game, and buff defense. (Some of these abilities don't kick in until level 3, incidentally.)
I think priests of life and pyromancers are probably the best, but that's just a gut feeling. And there's other fun stuff that mana can get you in the late game, too. Air mana is needed for airships and lightning skiffs, earth mana gets you the only siege unit with better than 1 speed, life mana scores you paladins, fire mana has drakes...
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2012, 04:52:33 am
*Looks at map* Ooh, I have earth and Life mana to play with then. :D
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 22, 2012, 08:08:33 am
You overestimate my claims- I plan on avoiding the middle of my continent due to a lack of interest on my part, I do not want the miniscule island with the death mana- I leave that to you, and I am leaving all the islands other than the smaller Southeastern island. I am not that power-hungry.
Then you are naive to think I can walk away from an arrangement which leaves me with little to nothing to gain. I will be taking the Northern end of Cimmeria, if only to make sure I can take some gain from this war.
Post by: Sheb on June 22, 2012, 09:29:07 am
Edit:
Spoiler: Orders of the Slightly Less Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 22, 2012, 04:48:38 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2020.txt)
Post by: Kashyyk on June 22, 2012, 07:07:16 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 23, 2012, 11:03:16 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
I've asked Vanigo to auto my empire for a week.
Post by: Kashyyk on June 25, 2012, 02:32:53 pm
Post by: Vanigo on June 26, 2012, 06:14:51 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 27, 2012, 04:44:54 am
Spoiler: Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on June 27, 2012, 04:10:39 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 27, 2012, 04:16:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 27, 2012, 05:34:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on June 27, 2012, 06:11:18 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on June 27, 2012, 06:25:29 pm
Spoiler: Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on June 27, 2012, 09:03:42 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on June 29, 2012, 08:44:47 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on June 30, 2012, 05:21:12 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 02, 2012, 06:55:53 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 02, 2012, 07:21:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I had to critize something at the moment, its that the "Labour" resource seems like an entirely pointless and arbitrary limit to how much you can do a turn, and it may be better to just make it more based on money. I would suggest either giving out FAR more Labour then you currently do, or just get rid or it entirely. All it really does it artifically extend the game.
Post by: Vanigo on July 02, 2012, 08:05:47 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 02, 2012, 08:36:30 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
I need to be faster on getting turns out. I'd have to say I like the limits labor puts on you- It makes you prioritize. Also, I might add that money gets pretty scarce when you have as many units as me on the field. With practically no money-producing structures.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 02, 2012, 09:36:31 pm
Limiting how much you can do in a turn is, well, the entire point. The limit may be too low, but that's another matter. Labor is the "you can do this much stuff in a turn" resource. Money's more specialized, used primarily for units.
And thats the reason I don't like it so much. It really limits you to barely any actions a turn, because you get so little labour a turn and you literally need Labour for EVERYTHING. You need to spend an entire turn to just build a single building or unit early on for most things, which I think is completely arbitrary. But thats just my two cents so far. But thats pretty much my only gripe with the system so far Everything else is pretty fine. A bit generic, sure, but no where near bad.
Post by: Vanigo on July 02, 2012, 09:41:53 pm
Also, I might add that money gets pretty scarce when you have as many units as me on the field. With practically no money-producing structures.I was wondering if you'd noticed that...
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Post by: Sheb on July 03, 2012, 01:39:33 am
Vanigo, I'm flying away to the middle of nowhere. I should have internet access, but I can't promise it. Just do my turn if I'm the last one that need to post.
Screw this, I asked Azthor to manage my turns if I can't do it. That way you still got a player, even if I don't get any internet.
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 03, 2012, 12:05:46 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 05, 2012, 01:24:42 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 05, 2012, 05:20:31 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Sheb- I outnumber you and am working on removing your supply lines. Surrendering would be in your favor. My lancers are breaking through. I'm sure we could organize a peaceful transfer of power. IronyOwl, if I could request your assistance should Sheb not cooperate, would you mind taking care of that one island of his? There aren't any troops there, and it's only one tile, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble, but I don't have a barge up there. Would you mind helping me? You would, of course, keep the island.
Post by: Vanigo on July 06, 2012, 11:25:53 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 07, 2012, 02:36:57 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Sorry, been busy :P
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on July 07, 2012, 03:52:07 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on July 07, 2012, 03:55:08 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
IronyOwl, if I could request your assistance should Sheb not cooperate, would you mind taking care of that one island of his? There aren't any troops there, and it's only one tile, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble, but I don't have a barge up there. Would you mind helping me? You would, of course, keep the island.Now would probably be a better time to mention that you probably shouldn't claim lands until we've finished negotiating over them. You still haven't explained what this mythical middle is that you're leaving me.
Post by: Vanigo on July 07, 2012, 05:02:07 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on July 07, 2012, 05:23:35 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 07, 2012, 09:47:10 pm
Post by: Sheb on July 08, 2012, 03:37:18 pm
I will accept a peace if you hand back Stonehaven and nothing else.
Spoiler: GrandDuchy Of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 08, 2012, 05:35:10 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Sheb, I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, but I stopped losing money a bit ago. As a matter of fact, I have gained the capability to field another unit of axemen. IronyOwl, as to the middle, I mean the land between the cities of Dunnottar and Stonehaven.
Post by: Sheb on July 08, 2012, 05:42:23 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 08, 2012, 07:17:34 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 08, 2012, 07:40:57 pm
Keep in mind, it's entirely possible to drown your units by moving a ship out from under them or by having too many units for the available transports. In the latter case, units are killed off randomly until it gets down low enough.
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 08, 2012, 07:56:31 pm
Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on July 08, 2012, 08:57:02 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 08, 2012, 10:24:48 pm
Let me know how it goes, okay?
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on July 09, 2012, 01:09:22 pm
There's an XML file named in the save - GameRules011.xml is what I'm using - that gets loaded in. You can grab it here (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/GameRules011.xml). Oh, and grab the admin interface again; there's an important bug fix in there that I did a while ago but only just uploaded. (The bug is actually still present in the player interface, but it's not very important there.)
Let me know how it goes, okay?
May I ask what the bug was?
So far, it is working out, but I have barely done anything, just yet.
Post by: Vanigo on July 09, 2012, 06:16:11 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on July 09, 2012, 09:45:57 pm
I realized something while making that, if you had enough time, you would be able to recreate a DF world, complete with civilizations, and with enough others, play basically a 'civilization mode' of DF. For it to not consume a lot of time, you would need to limit the rebuild to small, smaller, or tiny worlds with only a few civilizations. Would be more accurate with a modded version of the xml file, but it would still work.
Post by: IronyOwl on July 10, 2012, 12:28:53 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
IronyOwl, as to the middle, I mean the land between the cities of Dunnottar and Stonehaven.Depending on how far out from each of those you mean, that's not a whole lot of land, and most of it is hills.
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 10, 2012, 10:22:18 am
Post by: Vanigo on July 11, 2012, 05:49:24 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2024.txt)
Post by: Vanigo on July 13, 2012, 05:08:42 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 14, 2012, 11:00:25 am
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Please continue guys, this has just got exciting.
Post by: Sheb on July 15, 2012, 01:38:55 pm
Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 16, 2012, 07:08:33 pm
Post by: Sheb on July 16, 2012, 07:21:15 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 16, 2012, 10:15:43 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 18, 2012, 12:19:05 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 18, 2012, 02:39:16 pm
I'll get mine in tomorrow.
It was tomorrow yesterday :P
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 18, 2012, 03:43:21 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 18, 2012, 06:17:51 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 18, 2012, 08:39:33 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 20, 2012, 07:47:22 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 20, 2012, 08:29:11 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on July 21, 2012, 06:19:59 am
Post by: Vanigo on July 21, 2012, 07:43:57 am
Post by: Kashyyk on July 21, 2012, 08:21:42 am
Post by: Vanigo on July 21, 2012, 02:11:46 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on July 21, 2012, 03:52:56 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 22, 2012, 05:15:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat details (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 22, 2012, 05:16:00 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 24, 2012, 05:27:10 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on July 24, 2012, 05:48:40 pm
i'm sorry, its just that I'm going to be gone next week because trip.
Post by: Vanigo on July 24, 2012, 08:27:15 pm
Post by: Sheb on July 27, 2012, 01:24:27 pm
Spoiler: Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 27, 2012, 05:13:27 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on July 28, 2012, 02:08:28 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
And that is three turns, two to go :)
Post by: Vanigo on July 29, 2012, 07:14:44 pm
Post by: Sheb on July 29, 2012, 07:20:56 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on July 30, 2012, 06:14:04 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on July 31, 2012, 06:22:36 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat details (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on July 31, 2012, 06:32:24 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on July 31, 2012, 06:33:54 pm
Post by: Vanigo on July 31, 2012, 09:35:09 pm
Well, I was banking on him being oblivious. Since I'd persuaded him that I wasn't gonna attack. You however, didn't know this. >.< Oh well. I'll make do.Oh, you'd talked to him about it? I knew you were banking on him being oblivious, but I didn't know that part.
But, yeah, you're still in a pretty good position. You lost a ton of units, but you've still got more labor and money income by a good margin, and your mainland cities are much better developed.
Also! It seems I forgot to assign a cost to the University, making it unbuildable. Whoops.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 01, 2012, 03:36:24 pm
edit: The university seems fine to me...
Post by: Vanigo on August 01, 2012, 06:29:04 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 05, 2012, 02:19:15 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 05, 2012, 02:25:54 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 06, 2012, 06:53:35 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 06, 2012, 06:59:13 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 06, 2012, 09:30:10 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 08, 2012, 04:53:54 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 08, 2012, 04:58:32 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 08, 2012, 06:09:46 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 08, 2012, 06:24:04 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 08, 2012, 09:38:30 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 08, 2012, 10:34:12 pm
Any secret treaty's will obviously be annulled, while any public ones will be renegotiated, and will not be considered binding.
EDIT: Ugh, not in the best of positions right now, I have a significantly larger army, but don't quite have the money to support it for very long, kas has a much better empire right now, far better developed and positioned towns. On the bright side with some pressure I can probably make him make a few (3+) units for defense (which might make him take at least a single turn on just building them), and I know that he won't be able to take me for quite a long time (since he lost both of his attacking battles quite cleanly, and having his calvary attacking the units sitting in the town would probably fail.
Rule check Vanigo: Does movement go before troops carrying out non-move orders (since from the last game I seem to remember that it does)?
I will have my turn posted after the clarification at some point tommorow (since its not like there is a huge rush since not everyone else has posted turns)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 09, 2012, 11:09:11 am
Post by: Vanigo on August 09, 2012, 06:07:19 pm
Rule check Vanigo: Does movement go before troops carrying out non-move orders (since from the last game I seem to remember that it does)?Armies reorganize, then armies move, then conquer orders go off.
I will have my turn posted after the clarification at some point tommorow (since its not like there is a huge rush since not everyone else has posted turns)
Post by: lemon10 on August 09, 2012, 09:40:21 pm
I don't think I can win an offensive battle though, but with some city walls, I do think that I could stall defensively for a VERY long time.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 09, 2012, 10:07:08 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 10, 2012, 05:54:04 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 10, 2012, 05:20:55 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on August 10, 2012, 08:11:30 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 11, 2012, 10:33:14 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 13, 2012, 01:42:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 13, 2012, 04:16:57 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 13, 2012, 08:37:08 pm
Spoiler: Sheb's turn (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Events (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Battle details (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 14, 2012, 05:55:42 am
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 14, 2012, 05:22:12 pm
Anyway:
Spoiler: Orders of the House of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 15, 2012, 12:01:02 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 16, 2012, 12:35:45 am
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Doom, I see no real reason for you to fight me, I am not a threat to you really, and am not interested in your things (at least for a long long time). Without a land unit, your boat is pretty useless (since you need to sit in a town for a turn to conquer it, so as long as I have anything in range of the town you stand no chance, you could take over a single square of land near me, but that is pointless as well since I could make it neutral again easily). All it will do is distract and bother me.
If you look at the left continent, then you should see (or extrapolate from the resource totals in the admin interface), that I am far behind, and will probably be crushed underfoot of those damned blues in enough time, I have less horses (tons less, since for some reason JohnFalcon never built a stable), have far less built up cities, badly chosen land, badly developed land, and a pointless city as well (which just drains my pop).
Yes, I do have more land units at this point, but they are all foot units that can be run around in circles by opposing horsemen, and by the time they get to a city the city could have very good defenses indeed.
In short, attacking me might bother me a little, and at best it will help Kash beat me sooner (although it will probably do nothing), so that he can turn his gaze east and obliterate you (whereas if we stay even long enough, you/Sheb can turn your gaze west and obliterate us instead).
EDIT: Vanigo, it's rather annoying how you can open multiple windows over each other when there is no discernible reason for wanting to.
EG. You open a millitary window to see what troops are in a tile. Then you see them, and you click the "move troops" button on the lower right (not the one to move units between armies, the one to move armies places), instead of the first window closing (which would be the right way to go about it I think), or the second refusing to open, they stack on top of each other, then you need to close the bottom one anyways. Its not super huge, but it would be nice if it was fixed.
EDIT2:Optimized builds a bit better and such in my turn.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 16, 2012, 04:39:20 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 16, 2012, 06:08:37 am
Post by: lemon10 on August 17, 2012, 10:50:04 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 18, 2012, 08:32:17 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have to be reminded this often. Vanigo, do you mind if I take out IronyOwl?
Post by: Vanigo on August 18, 2012, 10:51:45 am
Post by: lemon10 on August 19, 2012, 03:36:49 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on August 19, 2012, 04:19:56 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
45 seconds later, I forget why I needed to put this off.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 19, 2012, 04:45:33 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 19, 2012, 05:16:29 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat details (click to show/hide)
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2028.txt)
Post by: Sheb on August 19, 2012, 05:20:04 pm
Anyway, this mark the beginning of Dunottar reconquest of its land! May our ennemies fight divided and their cities fall quick!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 19, 2012, 05:37:58 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 19, 2012, 05:50:15 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 19, 2012, 05:55:57 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 19, 2012, 06:21:25 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
I probably should have known about that... Anyway, Sheb, you may have beaten me this time, but I have a lot more tricks up my sleeve yet. Also, now my treasury is growing by leaps and bounds. Thank you.
Post by: Sheb on August 19, 2012, 06:42:09 pm
But yeah, long term still favor you. I've got some nice breathing space though, hopefully I'll be able to take back Stonehaven.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 19, 2012, 07:09:35 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 19, 2012, 07:13:38 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 20, 2012, 12:16:48 pm
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Damn, suck for you man, it feel like a cheesy victory. Well, You may have lost the battle, but you've earned a good lesson!Meh, I doubt it, he can rebuild his army in two turns, and get them there (if they are horse) before you can take the city.
Anyway, this mark the beginning of Dunottar reconquest of its land! May our ennemies fight divided and their cities fall quick!
Post by: Sheb on August 20, 2012, 12:21:12 pm
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Battle (click to show/hide)
Game State (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohqv34mkckj1mk5/game.txt)
Post by: Vanigo on August 20, 2012, 06:58:02 pm
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Spoiler: Battle details (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 20, 2012, 07:35:00 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 20, 2012, 07:47:40 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on August 20, 2012, 08:22:32 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 20, 2012, 08:23:13 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 20, 2012, 08:37:00 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia- "Our walls will be stained with the blood of your armies." (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the labor. Now I have to juggle about 5 different high- labor and inspiration buildings to get them built.
EDIT: Sheb, what do you think of a one turn ceasefire in the near future? I assume we could both use a turn to build, and keep up with others.
Post by: lemon10 on August 21, 2012, 12:33:36 am
So, the war on the right continent is pretty interesting.
Do you have any plans besides sit there and develop forever Irony? Would you throw in with the person that starts to lose? Or do you think you would attack a vulnerable enemy?
Because you are probably as powerful as either (although less powerful on the main continent obviously), and your actions could do a lot to tip the scales one way or the other.
EDIT: I took my turn down temporarily to facilitate some negotiations, and to ensure that the turn doesn't run while they are in the middle (like it kind of did last turn).
Post by: Sheb on August 21, 2012, 02:00:52 am
Post by: Sheb on August 21, 2012, 02:41:26 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 21, 2012, 11:03:52 am
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 21, 2012, 05:41:55 pm
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Post by: Sheb on August 21, 2012, 05:52:30 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 21, 2012, 06:06:24 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
So, the war on the right continent is pretty interesting.Really not sure at the moment.
Do you have any plans besides sit there and develop forever Irony? Would you throw in with the person that starts to lose? Or do you think you would attack a vulnerable enemy?
Because you are probably as powerful as either (although less powerful on the main continent obviously), and your actions could do a lot to tip the scales one way or the other.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 21, 2012, 06:08:14 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia- "Work in progress. Please stand by." (click to show/hide)
Orders! I saw we hold the ceasefire pretty soon, if we decide we need it.
Post by: Sheb on August 21, 2012, 06:09:51 pm
IronyOwl, if not interested in joining the war, would you consider mercenary work?
Post by: Kashyyk on August 21, 2012, 06:27:22 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
I love cavalry on roads. They travel so far.
Post by: IronyOwl on August 21, 2012, 06:45:25 pm
IronyOwl, if not interested in joining the war, would you consider mercenary work?Possibly, but I'm not sure there's a big difference.
Post by: Vanigo on August 21, 2012, 06:56:02 pm
I love cavalry on roads. They travel so far.And that's why I expect flying units to be amazing.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 21, 2012, 07:03:59 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on August 21, 2012, 07:09:11 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 21, 2012, 07:22:57 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 21, 2012, 07:35:22 pm
It's annoying- I have a stable in one city, but no library, and a library in the other, but no stable. I'll build a cavalry yard next turn.Don't forget you need a foundry, too.
Post by: lemon10 on August 22, 2012, 11:38:14 am
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Suggestion: Border fort, an alternative to a road in a tile that ends enemy units moves in that tile (but it should cost two or three labor, as well as like 5 stone), maybe make them have to have a friendly unit in an adjacent tile to work as a bit of check on their power.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on August 22, 2012, 08:29:21 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 22, 2012, 09:19:21 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 22, 2012, 09:32:17 pm
Turn coming right up!
Post by: Vanigo on August 22, 2012, 09:38:58 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on August 23, 2012, 09:43:53 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Wow, big turn. How long did it take you to build the game to this level?
Post by: lemon10 on August 23, 2012, 10:39:59 am
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After some testing, it appears that it DOES name the army, but the result doesn't load (maybe it doesn't save either) the next time the turn is run.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 23, 2012, 07:22:48 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
You're getting closer, Sheb. This should be interesting.
Post by: Vanigo on August 23, 2012, 07:38:16 pm
Wow, big turn. How long did it take you to build the game to this level?A couple months, off and on, as I remember it.
BUG: Army naming doesn't appear to work (at least for me), naming units works fine, but I have attempted to name armies for the past two turns, and both attempts failed (even though it displayed in the "Turn Results" box just fine).Oh, forgot to check the army name on loading. Easy fix; it should work this time.
After some testing, it appears that it DOES name the army, but the result doesn't load (maybe it doesn't save either) the next time the turn is run.
Post by: IronyOwl on August 23, 2012, 08:36:38 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 24, 2012, 06:17:41 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 24, 2012, 07:38:23 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on August 24, 2012, 08:07:01 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 24, 2012, 08:12:33 pm
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Post by: Doomblade187 on August 24, 2012, 08:37:29 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 24, 2012, 08:40:22 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 24, 2012, 09:21:35 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 24, 2012, 09:28:39 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 03:09:15 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 25, 2012, 11:49:48 am
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Spoiler: Combat Details (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on August 25, 2012, 12:31:06 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 12:33:39 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 25, 2012, 03:36:12 pm
e: unnessasary.
Are there any other trades that people want to make that I could
EDIT: Turn moved to a more recent post.
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 03:39:24 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 25, 2012, 04:19:37 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia will win the war(s)! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 04:24:36 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 25, 2012, 04:26:07 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 25, 2012, 04:27:54 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 25, 2012, 04:35:26 pm
Selling inspiration? How is that even supposed to make sense. I'm sorry, but for RP reason I refuse this trade.I assume that inspiration are things like architects, and inventors/entrepreneurs with ideas and such.
A trade of 1 inspiration would just be sending a architect or a scientist over to my empire for a few turns until he had finished his contribution on his building.
EDIT: Figured out a better way to do my turn that avoided the problem and gave me a proper number of inspiration next turn. So the trade is unnecessary.
Post by: Vanigo on August 25, 2012, 09:42:46 pm
Selling inspiration? How is that even supposed to make sense. I'm sorry, but for RP reason I refuse this trade.Yesss, that's a problem, isn't it. Okay, no trading labor or inspiration.
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 25, 2012, 09:51:22 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on August 25, 2012, 10:29:41 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 26, 2012, 02:52:46 am
Post by: lemon10 on August 26, 2012, 03:28:28 am
Can we trade cities/tiles?
When does trading take place, does it go before resource collection and building or after?
Regardless of what the answer to the above questions are, I wish to trade Sheb 10 stone, and EITHER 1 population (assuming that I am able to trade him a population), or 23 food.
I am getting nothing in return at this moment, although I will be getting some air mana later on for it.
Spoiler: Turn ASSUMING that we can trade population (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Turn if we CAN'T trade population (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on August 26, 2012, 10:29:07 am
Can we trade population (I assume the answer is no)?No, yes, and between turns (effectively before everything else), respectively. I can only change things around either before or after I hit the "run turn" button, not in between the computer-managed parts of the operation.
Can we trade cities/tiles?
When does trading take place, does it go before resource collection and building or after?
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Regardless of what the answer to the above questions are, I wish to trade Sheb 10 stone, and EITHER 1 population (assuming that I am able to trade him a population), or 23 food.Okay. Feel free to keep trading private, by the way - anyone who wants to can look at everyone's resources and work out who has more or less of what resources than they expected, but if you want to try and stay under everyone else's radar, go for it.
I am getting nothing in return at this moment, although I will be getting some air mana later on for it.
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Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
By the way, in the future, you can only trade resources you actually have, okay? No more trading resources you're going to get in the coming turn.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 26, 2012, 12:59:27 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on August 26, 2012, 01:08:17 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 26, 2012, 01:30:14 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on August 26, 2012, 01:58:59 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 26, 2012, 02:16:10 pm
By the way, in the future, you can only trade resources you actually have, okay? No more trading resources you're going to get in the coming turn.Then trading food is super luck based, since at the end of a turn food is consumed, and if you aren't lucky then you will have near 0, so to trade a fair quantity of food would take many turns if your production is near equal to 1 pop growth. If there was a way to not have your pop grow and consume the food, then sure, but otherwise it seems a bit silly.
I am also trading Sheb 5 money for two regent.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 26, 2012, 02:30:59 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia will fight to the end. Or somewhere close, anyway. (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 27, 2012, 11:20:12 am
Post by: Vanigo on August 27, 2012, 06:45:15 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on August 27, 2012, 06:58:04 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 27, 2012, 07:37:31 pm
Post by: Sheb on August 28, 2012, 04:16:02 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
IronyOwl, would you agree to make that North Eastern Island into a demilitarized zone?
Post by: Kashyyk on August 28, 2012, 04:51:30 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on August 28, 2012, 10:02:42 am
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Post by: lemon10 on August 29, 2012, 09:28:01 pm
I know its only been two days since the last turn was posted, but I don't want this to turn back into week long turns.
Post by: Kashyyk on August 30, 2012, 06:08:19 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 30, 2012, 06:18:54 pm
Post by: lemon10 on August 31, 2012, 11:49:39 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 31, 2012, 10:19:21 pm
Post by: Vanigo on August 31, 2012, 10:42:04 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on August 31, 2012, 10:54:17 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on August 31, 2012, 11:17:34 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on September 01, 2012, 09:30:54 am
No, I mean I see a blank page with a header that says "Welcome to nginx!". Flash is installed- I've been on Armor Games recently, so it's been tested.Run a virus scan? The player interface isn't even an HTML page, just a raw .swf file, so there's no way that should be happening.
Post by: Vanigo on September 01, 2012, 11:14:18 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 01, 2012, 11:50:57 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 01, 2012, 11:57:28 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 02, 2012, 05:45:03 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 02, 2012, 06:16:46 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 02, 2012, 09:15:19 pm
Also, try this link (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/PlayerInterface.html); I've wrapped the flash file in some html, which may or may not make a difference.
Also, try googling "ngnix virus". It may or may not be an actual virus (opinions differ), but it seems to be a reasonably common problem.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 02, 2012, 11:21:04 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 02, 2012, 11:24:44 pm
If you are using a PC, then use IE (if you don't use it), if you do use IE, stop, and use firefox/chrome.
If you are using a Mac then you might have to download another browser, but I think it might work.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 03, 2012, 10:18:29 am
Spoiler: Arcadia- my god Sheb, how do you support that many troops?! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on September 03, 2012, 10:30:46 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 03, 2012, 10:35:07 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 03, 2012, 12:10:57 pm
I built the Grand Bazaar, that's 10 money a turn.
You know, I've been aiming for that one for a while.
Post by: Vanigo on September 03, 2012, 02:14:39 pm
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Post by: lemon10 on September 03, 2012, 04:42:25 pm
Dangit- I don't have quite enough labor to build that.Yeah, they are pretty much necessary to have a really large army.
Spoiler: turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on September 03, 2012, 04:46:37 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 03, 2012, 06:19:08 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on September 04, 2012, 04:01:29 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 05, 2012, 02:38:50 am
Spoiler: May Arcadia Crumble Under Our Mighty Swords (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on September 05, 2012, 03:27:08 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 05, 2012, 06:26:18 pm
You can join with everyone else (and I am sending soldiers there in a few turns as soon as they are done on pegasus island) in attacking doomblade, because 3v1 (or 2 v 1, since both me and Kash probably will probably give 1/2 the forces each that Sheb/doom will put up due to being on another continent) are he will die terribly (eventually), and you should try to get a piece of the pie while you still can, since if you wait too long, then you won't get any of the spoils.
It might not quite be worth it on the mainland (since there are already large armies involved there), but you could pretty easily transport your troops (or at least enough troops to be sure of victory) over there and take it without any real risk.
Or I suppose you could try to rescue him, but that would involve raising a large army (which would be very expensive and significantly slow your growth down in the medium run) and tons of troops to stand a decent chance keeping him from dying on the mainland (you could delay it pretty easily, but actually keeping him alive until the war is over would be much tougher). But taking that course of action would gain you nothing (unless you managed to actually beat Sheb or something, which I don't think you are actually able to do) and just waste your resources.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 05, 2012, 06:34:57 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 06, 2012, 05:48:45 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 06, 2012, 06:55:04 pm
Well, he needs to do something...
Maybe Irony is preparing to destroy everyone at once after you have all weakened yourselves with the war? A strategy that has been proven to work in history.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 06, 2012, 06:59:30 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 06, 2012, 07:03:33 pm
I would not be surprised in the least- I realized a while ago that I made a terrible mistake going to war when I did, limiting my technological and demographic growth. I have the same issue in CIV 4.
My problem is that I do the exact opposite. I wait until I get EVERY technology possible before I attack. While effective when it is done, if I ever met a rush player, I would be doomed.
Edit:Although I do manage to get an invincible defense working if given enough time! And I know how to assault a base with defensive technologies.
Post by: IronyOwl on September 06, 2012, 07:07:45 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Maybe Irony is preparing to destroy everyone at once after you have all weakened yourselves with the war? A strategy that has been proven to work in history.A war on three fronts would be a fairly bad idea, regardless of how much more advanced I was than the targets.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 06, 2012, 07:13:53 pm
Maybe Irony is preparing to destroy everyone at once after you have all weakened yourselves with the war? A strategy that has been proven to work in history.A war on three fronts would be a fairly bad idea, regardless of how much more advanced I was than the targets.
Of course not! You take them out one at a time, very quickly!
Post by: Kashyyk on September 06, 2012, 07:20:04 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 06, 2012, 08:20:41 pm
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Spoiler: Combat details (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 07, 2012, 12:29:00 am
Oh well, here is my semi-boring turn.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on September 07, 2012, 03:32:55 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 07, 2012, 06:31:49 am
Post by: Vanigo on September 07, 2012, 05:59:39 pm
Holy shit fuck. I tested the battle a couple of times, but I never got that. I really don't do very well when attacking, do I?He really got stupid-lucky. Take a look at that battle log. First round of contact, 7-point chargebreak and a 4-point normal hit on the same unit. Next round, lancers gone. Three attacks to knock off those lancers isn't really that unlikely, but focusing on them like that was a serious stroke of luck. Once it was just the attack 6 horsemen and the attack 5 archers, the defense 7 halberdiers (who had only taken 5 points of damage total to that point) were in decent shape.
Post by: Sheb on September 08, 2012, 04:20:32 am
Post by: Vanigo on September 08, 2012, 05:13:36 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 09, 2012, 01:08:02 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 10, 2012, 11:38:16 am
Post by: Vanigo on September 10, 2012, 07:17:04 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 11, 2012, 06:11:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 12, 2012, 10:49:00 am
Post by: Vanigo on September 12, 2012, 07:55:36 pm
Um, the link you gave me has the admin interface now, and I can't get a turn. Can you put up an HTML-wrapped player-interface?Should work now.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 12, 2012, 08:16:40 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 12, 2012, 10:08:41 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on September 13, 2012, 03:09:17 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on September 13, 2012, 07:10:37 pm
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Spoiler: Battle log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 13, 2012, 07:15:46 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 13, 2012, 09:16:10 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 13, 2012, 11:18:16 pm
I want to trade 2 food, 3.5 money (3 for 1, 7 for 2) or 2/3 iron (2 for 3 stone) per stone for as many as I can afford (and people are willing to give) this turn.
I also want to trade 2 money per regent up to 15 regents this turn (assuming that I have enough left over from any stone trading that might happen.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
I could see if regents were significantly rarer, but the ratio (at least on this map) is 9 iron/horse to 7 regent sources, and getting regent is significantly easier (since you don't need to build a building to get it, and thus don't need a city anywhere nearby). I could see if it was significantly more expensive to build the iron/horse buildings (inspiration wise, since you don't really care about the minor costs of the other buildings while building a 30 inspiration building), but as it is it seems that it's a little unbalanced.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 14, 2012, 02:11:46 pm
How's a one to one ratio for you? If agreed, I'll trade you all 15 reagents.
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 03:37:44 pm
The best I would do is 1 iron to 2 reagent, but I don't think that you would be willing to accept that.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 14, 2012, 04:20:45 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on September 14, 2012, 04:59:33 pm
Man, Irony, you are really making me regret not capping labor stockpiling. It's supposed to represent half-built buildings and such (since it was so much easier to implement than actual half-built buildings), not a big pile of stuff to hoard. Stop being so boring!I'm trying! It's just that I don't want to build a bunch of spearmen or something and everything else requires stone. I guess I could produce some complimentary palisades everywhere? I guess this place could use a dock...
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Speaking of which, I'm interested in expanding onto the land sometime. Could everyone give me their opinions on that?
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 05:43:34 pm
I don't think any of them could/would try to stop you if you DID expand into the middle or the edge of their territory while their war is still ongoing, but it probably wouldn't be very smart. Personally if I were you I would finish up my expansion of the islands (build a village to the right of the fire tap and build quarries in those hills), or take over all of the islands around you (since neither of them could stop you), but expanding onto land would open the possibility of heavy counter attack in the forseeable future.
You might also want to build a decent navy with your spare labor, since that only costs wood and labor (and upkeep).
How about 3 iron to 5 reagent? Easily scaling to 9:15.Hm... Assuming that no one has a better offer by the end of the turn (AKA pretty much anything asking for money instead of iron or a better ratio), that's a deal.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 14, 2012, 05:52:45 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 06:01:45 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 14, 2012, 07:43:46 pm
Balance question: Why does the inspiration building for iron/horses give 2 iron, while the inspiration building for regents gives only 1 regent?As a matter of fact, I have already concluded that resource gathering is screwy, and intend to change all resource tiles and inspiration buildings to 1/turn. I also intend to double all wood costs - I want it to be easy to get enough wood with a little effort; it's currently more like "you get more wood than you could possibly use without even trying". Far too late to do that in this game, though. The original reasoning was that reagents were a more valuable resource, and easier to do without, but...
I could see if regents were significantly rarer, but the ratio (at least on this map) is 9 iron/horse to 7 regent sources, and getting regent is significantly easier (since you don't need to build a building to get it, and thus don't need a city anywhere nearby). I could see if it was significantly more expensive to build the iron/horse buildings (inspiration wise, since you don't really care about the minor costs of the other buildings while building a 30 inspiration building), but as it is it seems that it's a little unbalanced.
Yeah, but it also requires A) A pop 6 city (which Sheb doesn't have) B) Like 4 supporting building that all require quite a lot of stone and regent (problems for both Irony and Sheb), C) Like 4 turns to build those supporting buildings (and far more if you don't already have a pop 6 city) and most importantly D) ALL FLYING UNITS SHALL FALL BENEATH THE MIGHT OF MY (EVENTUAL) SKY KNIGHTS!Six buildings and a turn spent growing to size 6, by my count.
Edit: Oh, I guess I should auto Sheb again...
Post by: Vanigo on September 14, 2012, 08:13:38 pm
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Post by: Doomblade187 on September 14, 2012, 09:52:43 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia: Sheb, it begins. (click to show/hide)
No, seriously, thank you.
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 11:05:47 pm
I want to trade Kash 9 iron for 15 reagents.
Also, the request for the stone is still open if anyone is willing to trade (looking at you doomblade, since you are the only one with stone reserves).
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 14, 2012, 11:09:54 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 11:20:05 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 14, 2012, 11:30:14 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 11:34:45 pm
5 stone for 15 food and 4 stone for 18 money?
If that is what you are saying then deal.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 14, 2012, 11:39:41 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 14, 2012, 11:46:09 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 15, 2012, 07:38:45 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on September 15, 2012, 04:35:35 pm
We are doing this. Also, thank you for autoing Sheb, Vanigo- you just made my life a whole lot easier, in a way.Oh, don't worry; thanks to my understanding of the combat mechanics, I know how to make it harder again. It's completely crazy and you will never guess it. Probably can't win that battle, but you're going to take way more damage than you expect.
No, seriously, thank you.
Unless Sheb comes back and doesn't ask for advice, anyway.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 15, 2012, 04:53:05 pm
EDIT: On second hand, don't. I'll figure it out.
Post by: lemon10 on September 16, 2012, 02:03:29 am
Doom, the battle isn't in the bag for you *quite* yet.
You will probably win (unless what Vanigo does is smart enough to get your units dead), but the first time I ran it you lost quite noticeably (he had 5 units left, and I didn't even do anything clever like Vanigo is planning on).
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 16, 2012, 04:50:23 pm
EDIT: IronyOwl, we need your turn still.
Post by: IronyOwl on September 16, 2012, 06:52:12 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Man, I didn't even do anything this round. Again.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 16, 2012, 07:36:08 pm
Me again?Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Man, I didn't even do anything this round. Again.
Start Claiming the Sea! Maybe that will cut down on your stockpile and allow you to create fishing villages. That is, If you haven't already...
Post by: Vanigo on September 16, 2012, 07:37:45 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 16, 2012, 07:39:10 pm
Actually, it's been a week; I should probably wait for Sheb this time.
Question: Rather than autoing people, could I create a turn for them?
Post by: IronyOwl on September 16, 2012, 07:40:43 pm
Start Claiming the Sea! Maybe that will cut down on your stockpile and allow you to create fishing villages. That is, If you haven't already...Claiming tiles requires population, not labor. Improving them does cost labor, but you can only do that within range of your cities.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 16, 2012, 07:45:37 pm
Start Claiming the Sea! Maybe that will cut down on your stockpile and allow you to create fishing villages. That is, If you haven't already...Claiming tiles requires population, not labor. Improving them does cost labor, but you can only do that within range of your cities.
Then Upgrade and Build Cities near everywhere in your territory...
Post by: IronyOwl on September 16, 2012, 07:59:18 pm
Then Upgrade and Build Cities near everywhere in your territory...Building cities costs population also, and there isn't a lot of "everywhere" left in what I already own.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 16, 2012, 08:10:35 pm
Then Upgrade and Build Cities near everywhere in your territory...Building cities costs population also, and there isn't a lot of "everywhere" left in what I already own.
I have yet to look at the map, so can you blame me?
Post by: Vanigo on September 16, 2012, 08:24:25 pm
Sure, I'll drop you a line next time.Actually, it's been a week; I should probably wait for Sheb this time.
Question: Rather than autoing people, could I create a turn for them?
Post by: lemon10 on September 16, 2012, 08:29:24 pm
Personally if I were him I would start to acting aggressive about now or start to build another city, but its up to him what to do. Just waiting is counterproductive, and has been so for a few turns, you have gotten endgame stuff down, and the longer you wait the more everyone will catch up and begin to get endgame stuff as well.
Yes, it will take doom/sheb like 10 turns to catch up to you since they are at war, but they have vast expansion potential (Especially sheb with his three mana types), and will eventually unless you do something (eg, make another town on the mainland, attack one of their islands).
I *think* he would be fine with you autoing, but you may want to wait just to be cautious.
Post by: Vanigo on September 16, 2012, 08:47:09 pm
Claiming the ocean is a pretty bad idea, if they got a better navy they can destroy them with impunity, as well as the fact that they give as much food as hills/forests without giving you trees or the option to get stone.Yeah, that ocean tile is pretty much the least valuable tile he could be claiming. Well, tied with a bunch of other ocean tiles, anyway.
Post by: lemon10 on September 16, 2012, 09:37:20 pm
If you are still willing to do it, I think you have to explicitly say this turn that you want to trade.
Post by: Sheb on September 17, 2012, 02:53:06 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 17, 2012, 05:30:28 am
Kash, I noticed you didn't accept/deny my trade offer this turn (that you accepted last turn) of 9 iron for 15 regents.
If you are still willing to do it, I think you have to explicitly say this turn that you want to trade.
Oh sorry. I agree to this trade deal.
Post by: Sheb on September 18, 2012, 06:22:46 am
Spoiler: Moar Orders! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on September 18, 2012, 07:11:11 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on September 18, 2012, 07:35:01 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 18, 2012, 07:41:26 pm
And what was your advice?
I could see A) sending his cavalry away so that dooms cavalry would be engaged first and take some significant damage before his main force arrived and/or B) ditch the siege equipment and have a 50% chance of getting away somewhere safe (either the mountains or stacked with those two new units coming down).
Or C) something else entirely.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
EDIT:
Battles are pretty simple. There is a 20X1 field, and units walk towards the enemy from their sides at their speed each turn until they get in attack range. They can't attack the very first turn they get in range (except for units with the charge ability, who get a bonus to attack on the charge), so the units that walked into range attack next turn.
Each units randomly selects an enemy unit and attacks, dealing 1Dattack-1Ddefense damage (random number between 1 and attack minus a random number between 1 and defense).
This works out so that two units fighting one will get in between 3-4 times more attacks, so assuming the units are near equal, even a few more units will cause a significant difference.
Focusing is very random, a army won't pick the same units to fight (although they can all pick the same ones if you get lucky), and won't stick with fighting the same unit till it dies either, so how much they focus can very well decide larger battles.
Units get 1XP per turn they are in battle.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 18, 2012, 08:04:06 pm
Post by: Vanigo on September 18, 2012, 09:27:19 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 19, 2012, 02:07:09 am
Post by: Kashyyk on September 19, 2012, 04:56:14 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on September 19, 2012, 05:09:30 pm
Shoot. That sucks. What was your advice vanigo? I didn't get it. Also, why Didn't I get a defensive bonus?Pull the lancers away. Their presence kept Doom's lancers from making a terrible mistake.
You didn't get a defensive bonus because your troops were in a plains tile, which has no defensive bonus.
By the way, with lemon10 getting close to fielding some flying units, I feel like I should remind everyone that fliers have a huge advantage over non-flying melee units. You may want to invest in some ranged units!
Post by: lemon10 on September 19, 2012, 05:33:35 pm
Oh god, I never knew that, soon all shall fall under the flying horsemen (especially since no one has the buildings to get useful ranged units yet).
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA.
What exactly is the bonus by the way?
Post by: Kashyyk on September 19, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on September 19, 2012, 05:44:54 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Unless somebody objects, I'd like to found a new city on the western edge of Cimmeria, in those grasslands with the horses and wheat.
Post by: lemon10 on September 19, 2012, 05:51:55 pm
Also, hurry up and post Sheb/Doom.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 19, 2012, 05:56:15 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on September 19, 2012, 05:57:04 pm
Irony, I would recommend you get involved and save Sheb (your standing guard will almost certainly be enough to make sure that doom doesn't push through and take Sheb's city, since he will want to defend his own, which is also necessary to get reinforcements to the north), otherwise Doom will get a bit too strong (since odds are pretty good that he will win the battle at the city a bit farther north as things are going now, and then will probably be able to finish taking the rest of Sheb's cities). At that point he will be pretty easily able to take your remaining city on the continent (since it will be 6 cities of peacetime production and near unlimited stone against your 1).This is a concern, but I'm actually more concerned about Sheb courting foreign powers.
Also, hurry up and post Sheb/Doom.
Post by: lemon10 on September 19, 2012, 06:17:46 pm
Well, I want to see if the turn can be fixed. Lemon, I might add that I have something special- the ability to build an archery range and more in a short timeframe. But anyway, Vanigo, am I good on the error? Irony, I won't take your city. Same as before- drive right by it.Meh, all of you can build counters in a short time frame, but the main use of the pegasus knights will be raiding land and taking isolated cities, where it will be hard to have a appropriate amount of forces, and hard to catch up with them as well, dervishes or cavaliers will deal with the main battles.
The only true counter to them is dragoons (calvary so they move fast, and very high damage so they can fight them with only a slight numerical advantage without any problem), but they take quite a long time to get to unless you were planning on it, and since they aren't flying (and don't have charge), they will take charge damage and won't be able to follow over water. Calvary archers also slightly work, but they are a bit too weak to do it without overwhelming numbers.
I don't think that that is really that much of a concern, Doom's incoming navy will stop Kash from landing, and our real focus will still be on our island.Irony, I would recommend you get involved and save Sheb (your standing guard will almost certainly be enough to make sure that doom doesn't push through and take Sheb's city, since he will want to defend his own, which is also necessary to get reinforcements to the north), otherwise Doom will get a bit too strong (since odds are pretty good that he will win the battle at the city a bit farther north as things are going now, and then will probably be able to finish taking the rest of Sheb's cities). At that point he will be pretty easily able to take your remaining city on the continent (since it will be 6 cities of peacetime production and near unlimited stone against your 1).This is a concern, but I'm actually more concerned about Sheb courting foreign powers.
Also, hurry up and post Sheb/Doom.
Plus, my main goal is to stop one of them from becoming too strong, I don't really want Sheb taking over Doom (even if Me+Kash each get a city), since he would pretty promptly turn around and eat both of our cities up (followed by your cities on the mainland).
EDIT: I should note it might be different for kash, since he is only about a turn away from Doom's cities via carrack, and could probably fight near evenly if he ported enough units over there, whereas it would take 3/4 turns for one of my units to get over to a city.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 19, 2012, 06:24:32 pm
EDIT: I think I have all the buildings needed. What am I missing?
Post by: lemon10 on September 19, 2012, 07:46:14 pm
And I think I'm actually pretty close to dragoons. Just saying.Wonderworks, which requires both a university and a size 6 city.
EDIT: I think I have all the buildings needed. What am I missing?
Post by: Vanigo on September 19, 2012, 07:56:56 pm
Well, now he's said that... Y'all know how much I like my mounted archers.Dude, you may not have noticed, but mounted archers kind of suck. 5 attack just doesn't cut it anymore.
Dragoons require a cavalry yard and wonderworkers.
Doom, I expect I can fix things so your turn works, I just haven't had a chance yet.
To be more specific, fliers take half damage from non-flying melee units. I... probably should have kept that in mind when I statted up the fliers. I hate to change the rules during a game, but maybe I should go in and nerf their health anyway.
Post by: lemon10 on September 19, 2012, 08:13:38 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on September 20, 2012, 04:21:13 am
Dude, you may not have noticed, but mounted archers kind of suck. 5 attack just doesn't cut it anymore.So do Bowmen, but Mounted Archers have the benefit of high movement. And until I get the right buildings, what am I supposed to do with huge amounts of wood and horses?
Post by: lemon10 on September 20, 2012, 11:15:33 am
You can get cavalry archers next turn however (just build a bowyer in your city with a cavalry yard and foundry), which stand a significantly better (but still not good) chance.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 20, 2012, 11:18:27 am
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 20, 2012, 05:51:30 pm
Post by: lemon10 on September 21, 2012, 12:31:02 am
Doom: You can guess pretty easily what exactly will happen on your turn, it not running sucks, but its not like there is anything complicated that will happen.
Vanigo: You should hurry up and fix it so doom can post his turn without any concerns.
Post by: Sheb on September 21, 2012, 02:54:51 am
Post by: Sheb on September 21, 2012, 06:13:28 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 21, 2012, 11:55:30 am
It just a little hard to avoid when trying to be forceful and trying to get people to post, especially after the first time.
Post by: Vanigo on September 21, 2012, 08:37:26 pm
Also, flying units nerfed, generally on the order of 4 hp.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 21, 2012, 10:31:51 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia: the war has just begun. (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 21, 2012, 10:44:39 pm
Fakeedit: Although from his post it seems that Sheb might be able to survive doom this turn (and after that he can build up fast enough to keep his city alive).
Spoiler: AND THE FIRST OF THE (nerfed) SKY KNIGHTS RIDES THE SKY (click to show/hide)
Vanigo: I think priests are too strong right now. As it is killing a few units in a battle snowballs by the end. Throw in a priest, and you don't even have to spend time in a city to recover at the end, you can just march to their city, and by the time they are there your army will be completely healed. With a small army it isn't that bad, since having a preiest instead of another pikeman has a significant increase in your loss chances and he can die. However, if you have a very large army, and you win, he is unlikely to die and he has enormous healing power.
Nerf ideas: Either half the basic priests (I think priests of life having 6 healing is *probably* fine, since they *are* a special unit) healing amount (from 4->2).
The other option is to double/triple it, but have each healing amount heal a single point per turn (eg. if you have healing 8, a 4/7 unit, a 5/18 unit and a 3/10 unit, it will heal to 7/7, 10/18 and 3/10), which would allow a single priest to be really big help strong with a only a few units with it, but only a single one wouldn't be able to fix an entire army in two turns. You could also do the same with the priest of life, but also give him a healing aura (like he has now) in addition to regular healing.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 21, 2012, 10:59:06 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 22, 2012, 04:30:35 pm
The first time I ran this turn (2 turns ago) sheb's units didn't get to safety in the city, and he didn't have enough forces to fight doom off. Since they did this time, they provided enough troops to let him win consistently (3/3 times). I don't think that Doom will attack this turn, nor in the forseeable future if sheb keeps building up.
Post by: Vanigo on September 22, 2012, 05:06:39 pm
Well, Sheb's defenses are proving very resilient. Vanigo, do higher-level skills negate lower-level skills, such as in the case of chargebreak and charge? Knights have charge three, halberdiers have chargebreak 2, so I was wondering.No. The difference between different levels of charge is that, on a charge attack, you get an attack bonus equal to the charge level, so your level 2 lancers, with 8 attack and charge 2, have an effective 10 attack on their charge. Chargebreak gives a similar bonus on the charge-countering attack.
And I'm not surprised you can't crack that nut. You'd have had a decent chance if you'd won initiative last turn, I think, but there's two T2 infantry units, a unit of pikemen, and two magicians sitting on a tile with +100% defense. With no siege on your side of the board, even his magicians have 8 defense there.
Post by: Doomblade187 on September 22, 2012, 05:49:09 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 23, 2012, 09:30:56 am
Post by: lemon10 on September 24, 2012, 11:10:42 am
Post by: Sheb on September 24, 2012, 11:35:52 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 25, 2012, 01:07:12 am
If you don't post I will keep poking you Irony.
Poke. Poke. Poke.
Post by: IronyOwl on September 25, 2012, 01:58:58 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Also, Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 26, 2012, 11:26:16 am
Post by: Vanigo on September 26, 2012, 09:17:04 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To answer your comment about priests, lemon10, I assume you mean healers? Priests don't actually have any healing, although warpriests do. I guess your point is that it makes the already-swingy combat even swingier, and overvalues eliminating units? I can see the logic there. Have to think about it.
Post by: lemon10 on September 26, 2012, 11:22:37 pm
Spoiler: Turno, turnee, turned (click to show/hide)
To answer your comment about priests, lemon10, I assume you mean healers? Priests don't actually have any healing, although warpriests do. I guess your point is that it makes the already-swingy combat even swingier, and overvalues eliminating units? I can see the logic there. Have to think about it.Kind of, but its more that it negates the entire need to heal in a town or stop after a tough battle, and all you need is a single healer in a ten unit size army, it would be fine if it was a little slower or scaled with army size, but it seems a bit too powerful a effect for just a single unit.
And yeah, I did mean healers not priests. Opps.
Post by: Kashyyk on September 27, 2012, 04:03:23 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on September 28, 2012, 02:05:01 am
Post by: Sheb on September 28, 2012, 02:32:29 am
Post by: lemon10 on September 28, 2012, 10:24:47 am
Actually, each time you're poking me I'm like "Oh come on. Stop being annoying". And it turns me off from making my turn.Huh, and yet it seems to speed the turn up dramatically.
But oh well, I guess I won't bump this thread this or next turn and see how long they take.
Post by: Vanigo on October 01, 2012, 07:09:22 pm
Post by: Sheb on October 02, 2012, 03:10:05 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 02, 2012, 05:51:17 am
Post by: lemon10 on October 04, 2012, 02:01:02 am
Bump.
Post by: Vanigo on October 05, 2012, 05:25:54 pm
Post by: Vanigo on October 06, 2012, 10:14:37 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 06, 2012, 11:38:14 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia Finally Produces Orders! (click to show/hide)
Sorry for the delay.
Post by: Kashyyk on October 07, 2012, 04:48:45 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
I did my turn, I assume you meant Doomblade there.
Post by: Vanigo on October 07, 2012, 08:35:29 am
I did my turn, I assume you meant Doomblade there.Huh, what happened there? It did seem kind of odd that you'd be one of the last...
Post by: lemon10 on October 08, 2012, 01:41:30 am
Post by: IronyOwl on October 08, 2012, 05:33:06 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on October 08, 2012, 06:33:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on October 08, 2012, 10:26:39 pm
Spoiler: More building WOOOO (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on October 09, 2012, 05:42:13 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
@Lemon10: I think you just remove a pop every turn, until it's just a village.
Post by: Vanigo on October 09, 2012, 05:15:36 pm
Post by: lemon10 on October 09, 2012, 05:22:23 pm
Actually, the game won't let you reduce population below two. Why, don't want to spend food on Death Valley after you build the mana tap? I guess I can let you burn it down, but you won't get the population back.Na, just general curiosity, wondering about what would be necessary to go into someones city and raze it to the ground before they could take it back.
Vanigo: We can trade armies right?
Post by: Vanigo on October 09, 2012, 06:52:09 pm
Well, you'd have to bring it down to size 2 normally first.Actually, the game won't let you reduce population below two. Why, don't want to spend food on Death Valley after you build the mana tap? I guess I can let you burn it down, but you won't get the population back.Na, just general curiosity, wondering about what would be necessary to go into someones city and raze it to the ground before they could take it back.
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Vanigo: We can trade armies right?Yes.
Post by: lemon10 on October 11, 2012, 01:42:25 am
Post by: lemon10 on October 12, 2012, 02:32:45 am
Its you three holding this game up again.
Post by: Sheb on October 12, 2012, 02:52:29 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on October 13, 2012, 02:13:43 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 13, 2012, 11:29:45 pm
Post by: lemon10 on October 14, 2012, 05:45:57 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on October 15, 2012, 01:20:02 am
...has it been a week already? :x
Post by: lemon10 on October 15, 2012, 09:47:05 pm
And a fifth bump.
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 15, 2012, 11:21:47 pm
Post by: lemon10 on October 17, 2012, 03:31:13 pm
You still have to post Irony, even if doom isn't going to.
Post by: lemon10 on October 18, 2012, 06:52:04 pm
Because it doesn't look like they are going to post turns any time soon.
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 18, 2012, 07:00:32 pm
Spoiler: Fast turn to make! Yay! (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on October 18, 2012, 09:56:13 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on October 19, 2012, 07:03:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on October 19, 2012, 11:52:59 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on October 20, 2012, 09:02:44 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on October 21, 2012, 06:23:22 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Dunottar (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on October 23, 2012, 10:57:13 am
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on October 23, 2012, 11:24:14 am
Annnnndddd bump #1. Time to post Irony and Doom.
That bump has an odd reply number...
Post by: lemon10 on October 24, 2012, 02:59:03 pm
Post by: lemon10 on October 26, 2012, 10:18:20 am
This is another bump if it wasn't obvious.
Post by: Sheb on October 29, 2012, 10:32:26 am
Post by: IronyOwl on October 29, 2012, 11:08:10 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Blurble.
Post by: lemon10 on October 30, 2012, 03:10:43 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on October 30, 2012, 06:02:11 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on October 31, 2012, 02:18:34 am
Post by: Vanigo on October 31, 2012, 04:04:56 pm
Post by: Vanigo on October 31, 2012, 08:14:38 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Game state (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2045.txt)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on October 31, 2012, 08:48:00 pm
Post by: Vanigo on October 31, 2012, 10:52:49 pm
Post by: lemon10 on November 01, 2012, 05:28:03 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on November 01, 2012, 06:23:33 am
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Apparently I got a negative amount of air mana, which doesn't make sense. Please up me to 0 and remove two air mana from lemon10.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 01, 2012, 11:06:47 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 01, 2012, 02:03:31 pm
He said he did it to be lazy (and that I wasn't allowed to spend the air mana (even if I theoretically could) until I would get it normally), it doesn't really make sense, but it won't have any real ingame effects unless we break our alliance within two turns (which seeing as I don't have any real troops near you is unlikely).Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Apparently I got a negative amount of air mana, which doesn't make sense. Please up me to 0 and remove two air mana from lemon10.
Post by: Sheb on November 01, 2012, 03:28:17 pm
Post by: Vanigo on November 01, 2012, 09:24:55 pm
Well, it does prevent me from using that air mana myself.I think that lemon10 might be upset if you did that. I guess there wasn't an explicit "you owe me your next three air mana" in the PMs I saw, but...
Post by: lemon10 on November 01, 2012, 11:42:28 pm
I mean its possible that I might not declare war on you and stop by fight doom if you just stopped trading them to me and started using them for yourself without negotiating a new agreement, but...
Post by: Sheb on November 02, 2012, 04:36:41 am
Post by: lemon10 on November 04, 2012, 03:43:21 am
IIRC, the last air mana are air mana you have a right to buy.Nope, I have the right to buy an infinite amount of air mana, but you owed me 3 more last turn then you had.
Also, BUMP.
Your on plate Irony and Doom.
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 04, 2012, 11:14:04 am
Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on November 04, 2012, 01:19:26 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on November 04, 2012, 08:55:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 04, 2012, 10:12:08 pm
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on November 05, 2012, 02:16:28 pm
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on November 05, 2012, 04:35:54 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 08, 2012, 01:01:05 am
Post by: Sheb on November 08, 2012, 09:30:19 am
Post by: lemon10 on November 08, 2012, 01:50:07 pm
The Empire of Illyrian shall defend itself from the culture less vandals, and guard our art till the death.
((You will want to ask vanigo to get you three of the air mana that you couldn't have traded last turn back if you really are declaring war))
Post by: Vanigo on November 08, 2012, 02:52:22 pm
((You will want to ask vanigo to get you three of the air mana that you couldn't have traded last turn back if you really are declaring war))If we're seriously doing this? Then yes.
Post by: lemon10 on November 09, 2012, 08:14:41 pm
In other words: BUMP!
Post by: Vanigo on November 11, 2012, 11:22:02 am
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on November 11, 2012, 05:42:12 pm
I also need to know if Sheb is seriously declaring war on lemon10, or if he's just screwing around. I honestly can't tell.
I think he is serious.
Post by: lemon10 on November 14, 2012, 11:58:55 am
Its already been 10 days since this turn started, hurry up and post Doom and Irony, so that Sheb can come and try to destroy me.
Post by: Vanigo on November 18, 2012, 01:03:37 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 18, 2012, 04:36:39 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 18, 2012, 05:32:38 pm
Spoiler: Arcadia: brace for impact (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on November 18, 2012, 07:42:24 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Two weeks is hopefully a record for me. :I
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 18, 2012, 08:14:40 pm
Two weeks is hopefully a record for me. :I
Same. I feel bad, because I keep seeing the bumps and procrastinating, even when the turn takes 5 minutes to do, usually.
Post by: Vanigo on November 19, 2012, 09:48:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 20, 2012, 01:52:44 am
I see now, under the guise of decrying my national artwork, both Tesunda and Dunottar are arrayed against me most fouly, like angry fowls.
Spoiler: FOR THE EMPIRE (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on November 20, 2012, 03:49:23 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 20, 2012, 05:45:45 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 20, 2012, 06:11:04 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 20, 2012, 08:08:03 pm
And re: the cavalry, I'm being paranoid.
Spoiler: The humble, peaceful Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on November 20, 2012, 11:07:20 pm
And about the cavalry: I don't see what you would possibly need to be paranoid about.
In a turn or two when I start turning out improved sky knights and airships I could understand being paranoid, but even then it would be 3-4 turns before I had a large enough force to present even a theoretical threat to your cities on the mainland (since where they already were your cavalry could already reach every single tile in a single turn).
Oh well, we will see if you stab me even harder (since you already did kill my weakling navy) this or next turn I guess.
Post by: Sheb on November 21, 2012, 12:38:32 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2012, 06:11:57 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on November 21, 2012, 06:29:13 pm
Surely you've built up Death Isle's defences a little? Or are you right to be worried, because you haven't? Well, the fact that you can churn out flying things is definitely worth being worried about, regardless of how powerful they are, my air force is currently nil after all.
As a matter of fact, lemon, you're the only one with an air force at this point.
Post by: Vanigo on November 26, 2012, 10:01:34 pm
Post by: lemon10 on November 26, 2012, 10:14:33 pm
I will only bet two person because if I bet more, Kash could simply do quite a bit of harm by simply not attacking me.
Also, Sheb should only have 1 air mana at the start of this turn.
Surely you've built up Death Isle's defences a little? Or are you right to be worried, because you haven't? Well, the fact that you can churn out flying things is definitely worth being worried about, regardless of how powerful they are, my air force is currently nil after all.Yes, it is worth being worried about, but your calvary actions only make any sense at all if you are moving into attack position.
Post by: Sheb on November 27, 2012, 02:39:05 am
Post by: Vanigo on November 27, 2012, 06:20:00 pm
Post by: Vanigo on December 01, 2012, 06:07:00 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on December 01, 2012, 06:10:36 pm
Turn soon. :-[
Post by: Doomblade187 on December 02, 2012, 12:15:02 am
Spoiler: Arcadia: we're still at war. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on December 05, 2012, 08:48:55 pm
Post by: Vanigo on December 08, 2012, 07:47:52 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on December 08, 2012, 09:18:15 pm
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarrdy (click to show/hide)
Apparently "soon" means "a week" for me.
Post by: Vanigo on December 09, 2012, 07:51:26 pm
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Game save (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28942516/game%20saves/game%203%20turn%2048.txt)
Post by: Sheb on December 10, 2012, 08:01:26 am
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Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2012, 12:08:23 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on December 10, 2012, 02:01:08 pm
Was sure you were going to attack me this turn Kash, guess you changed your mind (to be honest though, that was probably your best opportunity to attack, since now I am in a significantly better strategic defensive position then last turn, and am outproducing you unit wise, even if you are only waiting a turn to attack me, you missed a fairly big chance).
Spoiler: Glorious Imperium of Illyria (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on December 12, 2012, 12:18:32 pm
Also: Bump!
Post by: Sheb on December 14, 2012, 11:42:01 am
Post by: lemon10 on December 19, 2012, 09:31:51 pm
Bump¿
Your turn Irony and Doom.
Your turn Irony and Doom.
Post by: Sheb on December 21, 2012, 07:04:47 am
Post by: lemon10 on December 25, 2012, 04:19:45 pm
Just you two irony and doom.
Post by: IronyOwl on December 27, 2012, 03:10:35 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Doomblade187 on December 27, 2012, 03:23:13 am
Post by: Vanigo on December 28, 2012, 09:31:57 pm
Post by: Doomblade187 on December 28, 2012, 09:43:10 pm
Post by: Vanigo on December 30, 2012, 11:09:30 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on December 31, 2012, 02:39:24 pm
Guess I should see if anyone else wants to jump in.
I have the time.
Post by: Vanigo on January 01, 2013, 03:51:39 pm
Also, I'm pretty sick ATM, so there may be some delays on my end.
Post by: Doomblade187 on January 02, 2013, 07:11:42 pm
Post by: Vanigo on January 04, 2013, 02:26:34 pm
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Post by: Kashyyk on January 04, 2013, 02:46:32 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 04, 2013, 06:35:41 pm
Spoiler: New Arcadia (click to show/hide)
One spot opening up? Are you refering to Doomblade's because I thought I claimed that.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 04, 2013, 06:37:07 pm
Post by: Vanigo on January 04, 2013, 11:59:18 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 05, 2013, 12:02:00 am
Zan, I don't know how closely you've been watching, but archers are pretty useless at this point. They're tier 0 (as I've taken to thinking about things), and it's getting to the point where it's T2+ or go home. Unless you have at least 3 or 4 to 1 odds, anyway.
That specific city doesn't have a bowyer yet, so I'm just building up anything that can deal damage to the sky knights, if they attack that city, to tell the truth. Seriously, look at how bad off the economy I have is. I need some free population if I can even attempt to begin to try anything.
Post by: Doomblade187 on January 05, 2013, 01:25:24 am
Post by: Sheb on January 05, 2013, 03:36:31 am
Dunottar
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Also I'm am trading 5 iron for 5 stones with Kashyyk.
Post by: Vanigo on January 05, 2013, 02:30:44 pm
That specific city doesn't have a bowyer yet, so I'm just building up anything that can deal damage to the sky knights, if they attack that city, to tell the truth. Seriously, look at how bad off the economy I have is. I need some free population if I can even attempt to begin to try anything.Yeah, but that city's a lost cause if Lemon attacks anyway. I'd be amazed if a unit of archers can do more damage than the knights will regen in a single turn. That's just a waste of labor and money, and a turn that could be used pulling a unit of pop out of the city.
Post by: IronyOwl on January 06, 2013, 05:53:26 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Not last this time.
Post by: Sheb on January 06, 2013, 06:26:31 am
Post by: lemon10 on January 07, 2013, 09:45:59 pm
I have a proposal for Zanzetkuken. If he gives me the 4 pegasuses (pegasi?) he owns, then my troops will leave his city alone, otherwise they will take it.
Its obviously in his best interests to accept this, since he can't actually use the pegasi (he can in theory get a single pegasus unit for like 15 labor and all 4 of them, but they aren't worth a city in any case).
Spoiler: Turn where Zanz accepts my proposal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Turn where Zanz rejects my proposal (click to show/hide)
I won't have much access to a computer in the next few days, so I can't really respond to his choice (and am thus posting the turns now), but depending on his answer, vanigo can pick which of my turns to run (identical except for the actions of my sky knights).
Post by: Sheb on January 08, 2013, 07:46:15 am
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 08, 2013, 01:09:02 pm
Post by: Vanigo on January 09, 2013, 04:52:11 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 09, 2013, 04:57:28 pm
So, Zan, I need an answer to lemon's proposal.
Simple answer: Never.
Post by: Vanigo on January 09, 2013, 08:57:11 pm
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Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on January 09, 2013, 09:49:15 pm
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: tryrar on January 10, 2013, 01:44:51 am
Post by: Sheb on January 10, 2013, 04:01:59 am
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Post by: lemon10 on January 10, 2013, 04:17:57 pm
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Yeah, my fight with Kash is really revving up, and unlike the other fight over on the other continent I think that this fight will have a definite conclusion fairly soon (within 10 turns).
Post by: Sheb on January 10, 2013, 04:29:45 pm
Post by: lemon10 on January 10, 2013, 06:17:36 pm
Is "within 10 turn" equivalent to "soon" for you? I could get an army of drakes to you back in this time.Compared to how long your guys fight was going for without any kind of conclusion at all or even a single real city changing hands, 10 turns for a real conclusion is quite fast in my opinion.
heh, this looks pretty interesting, and seeing as this appears to be heading to a titanic conclusion I'm hoping there will be another game soon I can join inThis game will probably last at least 50 more turns if it doesn't stop before then due to people quitting. Even if the main battles between me and Kash are over in 5 turns, and if it takes just 10 turns for the major cities to be conquered, it will still take quite a while for the forces to get to the other continent, and even after they do, everyone on the eastern continent will probably unite against me/kash, making the conquest take a very long time.
That said, I would be willing to play in a small match right now (ideally 1v1 so it would go fast) if you wanted to.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 10, 2013, 07:58:10 pm
Spoiler: You shouldn't have done that Lemon10 (click to show/hide)
Post by: tryrar on January 10, 2013, 11:02:49 pm
heh, this looks pretty interesting, and seeing as this appears to be heading to a titanic conclusion I'm hoping there will be another game soon I can join inThis game will probably last at least 50 more turns if it doesn't stop before then due to people quitting. Even if the main battles between me and Kash are over in 5 turns, and if it takes just 10 turns for the major cities to be conquered, it will still take quite a while for the forces to get to the other continent, and even after they do, everyone on the eastern continent will probably unite against me/kash, making the conquest take a very long time.
That said, I would be willing to play in a small match right now (ideally 1v1 so it would go fast) if you wanted to.
Well, if it was a 3-way melee, I'd be game(3 players does add a lot more trading and politicking/backstabbing possibilities than a 1v1)
Plus, iirc vanigo did make some major changes to resource gathering based on this game, so while this winds down to a conclusion, he can get started on testing those changes with a (hopefully) quick game
Post by: lemon10 on January 11, 2013, 12:47:18 am
It is important to note that a 2 way match will be 2-3 times as fast as a 3 way (due to not having to worry about the third player taking advantage of the fight, so dozens of turns end up shaved off the game since you don't have to worry about another force, also two people submitting turns will end faster then three people submitting turns).
That said, I am fine with a 3 way, as long as it is on a smaller map.
Also, I don't think that this will really wind down for months yet.
You shouldn't have done that Lemon10I did offer you a good chance to keep the city, and I probably wouldn't have done that if doomblade hadn't sent those troops to harass my city. Just because you took over for him didn't mean that his empire was off the hook for their actions.
I don't really want war with you, and I did offer you a pretty decent deal to keep the city (aka, 4 units of a resource you probably won't ever use in return for a 5 pop city+decent size island), but you didn't accept it.
Also, if you send your ship up where it can unload troops onto pegasus island, I *will* destroy it.
Post by: Sheb on January 11, 2013, 07:14:02 am
Post by: tryrar on January 11, 2013, 01:10:04 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 11, 2013, 01:21:38 pm
hmmm, I was actually thinking that myself, though I can't even figure out how to use the admin interface or even simply create a map
I know how. Want me to?
Post by: tryrar on January 11, 2013, 01:28:11 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 11, 2013, 01:30:22 pm
u offering to GM? Sure. I request a mostly land map with a big central lake
I'll work on it when I get home.
Spoiler: Possibility (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on January 11, 2013, 07:36:54 pm
That's actually unplayable, because there's no wood on the starting islands, making it impossible to build ships.u offering to GM? Sure. I request a mostly land map with a big central lake
I'll work on it when I get home.
Also, a reminder: The reason I'm not putting my saves into spoiler blocks is that the forum hard-caps post length at, IIRC, 20kb, and the saves started out at 75k and have ballooned to 120. There's a real risk that you'll run into this problem, too.
And, I haven't actually made the rules revisions I'm planning on yet. I'll have to do that and then post the new rules filename.
Edit: Okay, you can use GameRules02.xml. The significant changes are as follows:
All special resource tiles have been reduced to 1 resource/round. The grand bazaar, breeder's pasture, and cavern mines have also been nerfed.
Most wood costs have been doubled.
A new unit, mounted crossbowmen, has been added to fill the gap at T2 horse archers.
All flying units except air mages have had their speed reduced, usually by 1.
Post by: tryrar on January 11, 2013, 09:11:05 pm
Note: I forgot to change rulesets so if this is a good map to u zan I or you can easily recreate this with ruleset 2. Also, if we are really gonna do this we should probably create a new thread so as to not clutter up this one
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 11, 2013, 11:11:10 pm
Also, a reminder: The reason I'm not putting my saves into spoiler blocks is that the forum hard-caps post length at, IIRC, 20kb, and the saves started out at 75k and have ballooned to 120. There's a real risk that you'll run into this problem, too.
By the way, how did you manage to get the world stats to display when you click on the link, rather than getting a .txt document download?
I finally figured out the admin interface and was messing around and came up with this map (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ld68zoyqu5omn7/Map1.txt)!
Note: I forgot to change rulesets so if this is a good map to u zan I or you can easily recreate this with ruleset 2. Also, if we are really gonna do this we should probably create a new thread so as to not clutter up this one
That could work. May need to add some free population, though. Here's the link: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121594.0
Post by: IronyOwl on January 13, 2013, 02:16:04 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on January 13, 2013, 05:33:09 am
Post by: Vanigo on January 14, 2013, 07:59:37 pm
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Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 14, 2013, 08:23:56 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on January 14, 2013, 09:09:00 pm
Turn Done
Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on January 15, 2013, 08:47:16 am
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Post by: lemon10 on January 16, 2013, 05:15:40 pm
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 16, 2013, 10:13:37 pm
I am still willing to give you your island back for your 4 pegasi Zanz, and it does look like I might rather need them due to what appears to be fighting everyone but you (sheb 's drakes, kask's whole empire, and what is almost certainly an attack by Irony on death island).
And if I give them to you, Sheb and Irony will swarm me and I'll be gone in a few turns! Also, don't get so greedy with that island, I can get it in a few turns, and your knights will be needed elsewhere.
Post by: Sheb on January 17, 2013, 05:01:35 am
Post by: lemon10 on January 21, 2013, 02:04:41 am
Post by: Vanigo on January 24, 2013, 07:49:06 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on January 24, 2013, 08:09:12 pm
Turn within a few hours. >_<
Post by: IronyOwl on January 25, 2013, 04:39:59 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on January 25, 2013, 06:31:06 pm
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Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2013, 06:57:42 pm
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on January 26, 2013, 07:01:36 am
Anyway, I might have underestimated Galleons a little. :p
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Vanigo, the 1.1 Weyr, consisting of Smaug Jr. is to be transferred to Arcadia.
Post by: Vanigo on January 26, 2013, 12:48:55 pm
Why didn't my drake attack in the first turns?Galleons have range and drakes don't. The drakes had to get into range before they could attack.
Post by: lemon10 on January 26, 2013, 06:14:43 pm
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Sheb, trades take place at the beginning of the turn and since you don't have a dragon named Smaug Jr. at the start of the turn, you can't make that trade.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 26, 2013, 10:03:53 pm
Spoiler: Economic Work Continues (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on January 27, 2013, 02:44:33 am
Post by: lemon10 on January 27, 2013, 02:53:26 am
But right now you only have Tarasque and Drakes (182).
I assume that you are talking about Drakes (182) after you name (and move them), but you can't name and trade them (and move them out of the city they are in) in the same turn.
Well, I am about 90% sure about that at least, but I could be wrong.
Post by: Sheb on January 27, 2013, 04:25:40 am
Post by: Vanigo on January 27, 2013, 12:54:21 pm
Post by: Sheb on January 27, 2013, 01:15:08 pm
Post by: Vanigo on January 27, 2013, 05:16:25 pm
Post by: Sheb on January 28, 2013, 01:22:16 am
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 28, 2013, 12:59:12 pm
So trading is not a free action at all then. Well, I got sonfused. Anyway, you'll have to wait Zan.
For the drake, at least.
Post by: lemon10 on January 29, 2013, 12:48:53 pm
So your up Kash and Irony.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on January 29, 2013, 01:08:39 pm
So your up Kash and Irony.
Kashyyk has already posted, and was the first to do so in fact. Irony is the one we are waiting on.
Post by: lemon10 on January 29, 2013, 01:23:39 pm
So I do suppose that leaves only irony again.
Post by: Kashyyk on January 29, 2013, 06:56:47 pm
Post by: lemon10 on January 29, 2013, 07:43:50 pm
1) Does siege reduce the bonus defense from terrain only when the unit with the siege power is attacking, or for the whole battle whenever anyone is attacking?
2) What exactly does Bless (from the priest) do?
3) What does aura of weakness (from the priest of death) do?
4) What does dispel magic (from the wizard) do?
5) Is there any difference between swimming (from the Kraken) and sailing (from boats)?
Post by: Vanigo on January 29, 2013, 07:58:50 pm
Vanigo, I have a couple of random questions for you:1) Only when the siege unit is attacking. And it only works on walls, not on base terrain bonuses.
1) Does siege reduce the bonus defense from terrain only when the unit with the siege power is attacking, or for the whole battle whenever anyone is attacking?
2) What exactly does Bless (from the priest) do?
3) What does aura of weakness (from the priest of death) do?
4) What does dispel magic (from the wizard) do?
5) Is there any difference between swimming (from the Kraken) and sailing (from boats)?
2) Increases defense and resistance.
3) Debuffs attack, defense, and resistance by 1 (doesn't work on undead or mechanical units)
4) Removes buffs.
5) No, just a different name.
Post by: lemon10 on February 01, 2013, 07:24:35 pm
I am also going to note that over the past week I have improved my turn substantially through numerous revision (and in the past few most recent turns as well). If the turns just got finished sooner my turns would probably end up being quite a bit worse, which would be to everyone's advantage since it looks like it is shaping up to eventually turn into me vs the whole eastern continent.
I don't think it is an exaggeration to say that the revisions I have made in the past few turns due to the turns each lasting two weeks reduced the time it will end up taking to finish assimilating the continent by 3/4 turns.
Post by: Vanigo on February 02, 2013, 04:03:57 pm
I think siege units deserve a buff significant buff if they don't help allies (assuming that I read what you said correctly, and they don't weaken the bonus defense for the entire enemy army, just during their attack). They are simply not useful at all in any way if they don't, they are too weak, too slow, and their special power doesn't provide a significant benefit.Oh, I see, I misunderstood the question. During the battle in which they attack, they'll reduce the defense bonus across the board. I meant that the siege unit has to be an attacking unit, not that it only works on the siege unit's attacks.
Also, I forgot to mention in the last post: Bless and aura of weakness are aura abilities, automatically affecting all the appropriate units in the battle. Dispel magic is an inflict ability, which fires off when the wizards attack and do damage.
Post by: lemon10 on February 03, 2013, 03:41:18 am
1) Does siege stack?
2) Do auras end if the unit casting it (auraing it? projecting it? eminating it?) dies? Or do they stay on till the end of the battle.
3) Do terrain defense bonuses boost magic defense?
Also: Bump Irony. I know that I am being a bit of a pain in the ass with all this repetitive bumping, but I do kind of want the game to go a little faster.
Post by: Sheb on February 03, 2013, 10:19:21 am
Post by: lemon10 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:00 am
I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but taking two weeks every single turn is a tad ridiculous, especially for a game as straightforward and easy to do a turn for as this (as opposed to forum games that require you to run all the calculations for your turn yourself, or write tons of flavor text or whatever).
Post by: Sheb on February 04, 2013, 12:10:27 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 04, 2013, 12:15:25 pm
Post by: Sheb on February 04, 2013, 12:18:42 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 04, 2013, 12:35:24 pm
Although I second it with the caveat that Irony be given at least a couple more days. Don't want to change the rule mid-turn or something.
That is entirely true.
Post by: lemon10 on February 07, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
This is also a bump for Vanigo: Even a no response to my proposal would be fine, since any response at all is a big improvement to no response.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 08, 2013, 09:06:33 pm
Irony, are you alive?
Post by: IronyOwl on February 09, 2013, 06:08:14 am
And a bump.Barely.
Irony, are you alive?
Vanigo: After a bit of thought, I propose a auto pass (or auto-run) turn if a player takes more then a week on their turn.I'm forced to agree with this, though. Having me miss every other turn is probably preferable to turns taking two weeks apiece, especially when everyone else has their stuff in within three days.
I do have my current turn, though:
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on February 09, 2013, 06:52:18 am
Post by: Vanigo on February 09, 2013, 06:10:50 pm
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Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 09, 2013, 06:39:20 pm
I'm afraid I haven't been all that enthusiastic about this game for the last five turns or so. Not that I'm going to stop running it...Probably due to the slow rate at which the turns have been coming through.
Spoiler: Wheels within wheels within wheels (click to show/hide)
Post by: IronyOwl on February 09, 2013, 07:39:34 pm
Barely? Did something bad happen to you IRL?Forum alive. I'm fine healthwise IRL, just busy with IRL things. Plus League of Legends.
Post by: lemon10 on February 09, 2013, 07:41:13 pm
Spoiler: Time to take another city (click to show/hide)
Questions for Vanigo:
Some more questions then:And my proposal:
1) Does siege stack?
2) Do auras end if the unit casting it (auraing it? projecting it? eminating it?) dies? Or do they stay on till the end of the battle.
3) Do terrain defense bonuses boost magic defense?
4) Do defensive bonuses from cities apply to hostile occupying forces?
Vanigo: After a bit of thought, I propose a auto pass (or auto-run) turn if a player takes more then a week on their turn.
I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but taking two weeks every single turn is a tad ridiculous, especially for a game as straightforward and easy to do a turn for as this (as opposed to forum games that require you to run all the calculations for your turn yourself, or write tons of flavor text or whatever).
Post by: Kashyyk on February 09, 2013, 09:20:56 pm
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Post by: Vanigo on February 10, 2013, 02:07:12 pm
Some more questions then:1)Yes.
1) Does siege stack?
2) Do auras end if the unit casting it (auraing it? projecting it? eminating it?) dies? Or do they stay on till the end of the battle.
3) Do terrain defense bonuses boost magic defense?
4) Do defensive bonuses from cities apply to hostile occupying forces?
2) They stay until the end of the battle.
3) No.
4) ...actually, I'd have to check to be sure, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Vanigo: After a bit of thought, I propose a auto pass (or auto-run) turn if a player takes more then a week on their turn.I would, but... I feel like team not-you is fighting enough of an uphill battle as it is.
I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but taking two weeks every single turn is a tad ridiculous, especially for a game as straightforward and easy to do a turn for as this (as opposed to forum games that require you to run all the calculations for your turn yourself, or write tons of flavor text or whatever).
Post by: lemon10 on February 10, 2013, 04:01:14 pm
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Vanigo: After a bit of thought, I propose a auto pass (or auto-run) turn if a player takes more then a week on their turn.I would, but... I feel like team not-you is fighting enough of an uphill battle as it is.
I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but taking two weeks every single turn is a tad ridiculous, especially for a game as straightforward and easy to do a turn for as this (as opposed to forum games that require you to run all the calculations for your turn yourself, or write tons of flavor text or whatever).
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I think that the best path would be to have someone else already playing do Irony's turn if he needed to be autoed. The best person to do this would obviously be Kash, since there wouldn't be a conflict of interest since they don't have any conflict, and as Kash going to be wiped out fairly soon. Now I don't want to put words in his(?) mouth, but I think he would be fine doing it.
I would be willing to do it too, but I understand that would be completely unnacceptable due to conflict of interests and knowing what he would do and all that.
Post by: Sheb on February 11, 2013, 04:32:50 am
Post by: Sheb on February 11, 2013, 07:09:14 am
Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on February 11, 2013, 06:52:51 pm
I am going to bump this, because although it has only been two days since this turn started I might as well try to get Irony to post his turn earlier then two weeks.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 11, 2013, 07:23:11 pm
Jesus, after a bit of comparing to the other thread, this one is going outrageously slow. In the past month this thread has only done two turns, while the other thread has done 18 in the same amount of time.
Correction, 19 turns have gotten in...maybe 20 since the trade that was going to be haggled over was canceled.
Post by: lemon10 on February 11, 2013, 07:29:49 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 11, 2013, 07:35:12 pm
Well, its on turn 19 (and soon to be 20), but being on turn 19 means that 18 turns have ran so far (like if your on chapter two of a book, you only read a single chapter up to that point).
That is true. Also, they just posted turn 20, making it the second turn today...
Post by: tryrar on February 11, 2013, 07:48:23 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 11, 2013, 07:49:49 pm
and we might get turn 3 if aseaheru and gwg get their turns in quickly
Aseaheru isn't online.
Post by: lemon10 on February 14, 2013, 11:26:05 am
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 14, 2013, 12:34:36 pm
Time for another bump: At this point Irony has taken over twice as long to post his turn then anyone else/.
Irony could pass his place off to someone else, like Doomblade did.
Post by: lemon10 on February 16, 2013, 12:54:18 am
That said, there is a bit of a problem getting someone to take over, and once they do take over if they haven't played before they could make a mess of things.
I imagine Kash would work, provided he was willing to run two empires for the ~10 turns it would take for me to completely destroy his current empire.
Anyways, no matter what happens its time for another bump seeing as it will be a week in two hours.
Post by: IronyOwl on February 16, 2013, 01:03:42 am
Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vanigo on February 16, 2013, 11:04:35 am
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Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 16, 2013, 01:56:26 pm
Spoiler: Acceptance (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Denial (click to show/hide)
Post by: lemon10 on February 17, 2013, 02:44:43 am
I won't give it back this turn though, since I am going to get the last pop out of it.
Anyways, I accept peace, and am withdrawing my troops, and will allow your galleon to withdraw in peace (as long as it withdraws straight down, I am sending my galleons to try to stop you from moving it into your city so that you don't have a decent naval unit there).
Spoiler: My turn, 2 cities assimilated into the imperium, 4 to go (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 17, 2013, 02:13:23 pm
I assume this requires that I give the island back to you (not that I can really do much to stop you)?Yes.
I won't give it back this turn though, since I am going to get the last pop out of it.
Anyways, I accept peace, and am withdrawing my troops, and will allow your galleon to withdraw in peace (as long as it withdraws straight down, I am sending my galleons to try to stop you from moving it into your city so that you don't have a decent naval unit there).
Fine.
It was already heading in that direction.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 18, 2013, 06:11:39 am
Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on February 18, 2013, 07:27:06 am
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Post by: lemon10 on February 21, 2013, 11:46:05 am
Its been five days already, just thought its about time for the first bump to go out.
Also, would you be willing to take over for Irony Kash?
I am aware that you already have a empire, but it won't last for that long, and you seem to be competent enough that you taking over for him won't present a problem to the anti-me forces.
Post by: lemon10 on February 23, 2013, 04:15:26 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on February 24, 2013, 03:30:58 pm
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Post by: Vanigo on February 25, 2013, 06:39:13 pm
Kashyyk, your spoiler tag is empty.
Also, question. It's looking more and more like lemon10 has hit critical mass and he's just going to roll over everyone. Do people want to play through the whole endgame, or should we just call it and go to postgame discussion of what worked, what didn't, and what's broken as shit (sky knights)?
Post by: lemon10 on February 25, 2013, 11:23:39 pm
What the -Honestly, I don't think there is a chance of me losing at this point. If they got it together a few turns ago (and reinforced Kash) it might have been possible to stop me, but as it is I will probably just split my armies into three (Calvary+Sky Knights, airship infantry, excess regular infantry), each of which will be more powerful then any army that would be fielded against me, especially once I upgrade my production to produce units all with the XP bonuses.
Kashyyk, your spoiler tag is empty.
Also, question. It's looking more and more like lemon10 has hit critical mass and he's just going to roll over everyone. Do people want to play through the whole endgame, or should we just call it and go to postgame discussion of what worked, what didn't, and what's broken as shit (sky knights)?
I will note that drakes are IMHO a better unit then Sky Knights, having roughly equal damage (less raw damage, but dealing magic damage instead of regular makes them slightly better) and defense, slightly better health, and only requiring 1 special resource instead of 2. The only reason mine were so strong were because they had upgrade buildings, and even then required more prerequisite buildings then any other unit.
First off: A nerf to sky knights and drakes is needed.
Their mobility is far too strong, allowing them to act as both armies and navies without having any of the restrictions of either. Their super fast movement and strength makes them A) hard to catch, and B) are equal to endgame units in their own rights.
Suggestion: Don't allow them to stop over water (just allow them to pass over water), otherwise they drown (but maybe let them fight before they drown).
Reduce all their movement to 4?
Nerf Airboats, they are A) strong units, and B) their MS bonus is too powerful for the cost. Without them my conquest would have taken far longer.
Suggestion: A) make them far weaker units OR B) reduce their carrying capacity to 2 OR C) make them cost 2 air mana.
Nerf endgame calvary: The cost is the same as infantry, but they have vastly improved mobility as well as being slightly stronger (+2 health for all of them as well as charge). If horses were truly rare it would be different, but as it is they were significantly better (especially since you could harass and pick your battles with ease, including splitting up into multiple armies that can't even be threatened with infantry), even with the extra building requirements.
Suggestion: Increase cost over infantry OR decrease MS to 4 for endgame calvary OR nerf their attack/damage/health.
Buff Krakens: They are only very slightly better then frigates in combat, which isn't worth the slower MS, lack of ranged ability, and being unable to carry units. Maybe once wood is rare they could actually be useful, but in this game there was no way for them to really be worth it.
Suggestion: Significant stat buff AND/OR give them a unique ability (eg. allow them to attack two different enemy units per turn (but not attack the same unit once)).
Post by: Kashyyk on February 26, 2013, 09:15:30 am
What the -
Kashyyk, your spoiler tag is empty.
Huh.
Spoiler: Turn (click to show/hide)
Re edits: I quite like lemon10's suggestions.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 26, 2013, 10:23:34 am
Re edits: I quite like lemon10's suggestions.
Same here. I would like to note, however that one of my galleons almost killed a pair of sky knights when the outpost was attacked. If it had focused on just one, that sky knight would've died.
Post by: Kashyyk on February 26, 2013, 10:45:37 am
Same here. I would like to note, however that one of my galleons almost killed a pair of sky knights when the outpost was attacked. If it had focused on just one, that sky knight would've died.
Yes, it'd be nice if our soldiers had at least a minor degree of tactical sense. I appreciate that'd get quite difficult to implement though.
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 26, 2013, 12:15:18 pm
Same here. I would like to note, however that one of my galleons almost killed a pair of sky knights when the outpost was attacked. If it had focused on just one, that sky knight would've died.
Yes, it'd be nice if our soldiers had at least a minor degree of tactical sense. I appreciate that'd get quite difficult to implement though.
Considering what Doomblade's troops once did, there is the possibility that they already do, somewhat.
Post by: lemon10 on February 26, 2013, 01:27:25 pm
They don't at the moment. And it would be quite easy to do (just have the army all try to attack the same unit in their frontmost tile each turn). I am pretty sure that it was a choice on Vanigo's part to have the armies randomly attack units each turn.Same here. I would like to note, however that one of my galleons almost killed a pair of sky knights when the outpost was attacked. If it had focused on just one, that sky knight would've died.
Yes, it'd be nice if our soldiers had at least a minor degree of tactical sense. I appreciate that'd get quite difficult to implement though.
Considering what Doomblade's troops once did, there is the possibility that they already do, somewhat.
Sky knights aren't that strong in combat compared to equal cost/strength units, the big thing they have is the massive mobility and versatility. The fact that they can act as both armies and navies, and alternate in any single turn is what makes them so strong.Re edits: I quite like lemon10's suggestions.
Same here. I would like to note, however that one of my galleons almost killed a pair of sky knights when the outpost was attacked. If it had focused on just one, that sky knight would've died.
The big thing that I used them for wasn't equal combat, but rather as fast amphibious units, able to travel very fast and go from land->water->land (requiring at least three turns for regular units if you lack a city there, as well as being open to interdiction from hostile boats). This allows them to easily run over and take down remote outposts.
And even on land they are slightly better then regular Calvary since they don't need roads (not a huge thing by the time that you get them, but still a decent advantage).
While they aren't super strong compared to boats in naval combat (about as strong as a galleon), they can easily evade or catch navies since they can go over land.
Thus they either require large nerfs to their mobility and versatility, or a fairly large raw strength nerf (and they aren't really that strong compared to units in their group anyways, so a strength nerf would risk just making them irrelevant).
Post by: Vanigo on February 26, 2013, 07:46:18 pm
First off: A nerf to sky knights and drakes is needed.In the revised ruleset being used in the other thread, I've reduced the speed of all flying units by at least one. Pegasus knights, drakes, airships, and level 3+ air mages have 3 movement, sky knights have 4, and lightning skiffs have 5 (but are quite weak compared to T3 cavalry). In this game, lightning skiffs have a whopping 8 speed.
Their mobility is far too strong, allowing them to act as both armies and navies without having any of the restrictions of either. Their super fast movement and strength makes them A) hard to catch, and B) are equal to endgame units in their own rights.
Suggestion: Don't allow them to stop over water (just allow them to pass over water), otherwise they drown (but maybe let them fight before they drown).
Reduce all their movement to 4?
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Nerf Airboats, they are A) strong units, and B) their MS bonus is too powerful for the cost. Without them my conquest would have taken far longer.Wait, airships only cost 1 air mana? I've been remembering that wrong for at least six months.
Suggestion: A) make them far weaker units OR B) reduce their carrying capacity to 2 OR C) make them cost 2 air mana.
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Nerf endgame calvary: The cost is the same as infantry, but they have vastly improved mobility as well as being slightly stronger (+2 health for all of them as well as charge). If horses were truly rare it would be different, but as it is they were significantly better (especially since you could harass and pick your battles with ease, including splitting up into multiple armies that can't even be threatened with infantry), even with the extra building requirements.That's true of early and midgame cavalry as well. I was expecting the required buildings to be a bigger deal, to be honest, but the long peaceful buildup kind of screwed with that.
Suggestion: Increase cost over infantry OR decrease MS to 4 for endgame calvary OR nerf their attack/damage/health.
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Buff Krakens: They are only very slightly better then frigates in combat, which isn't worth the slower MS, lack of ranged ability, and being unable to carry units. Maybe once wood is rare they could actually be useful, but in this game there was no way for them to really be worth it.I've already doubled the wood cost of almost everything. Might need something else, too. Maybe Submerge: half damage from nonmagical ranged attacks? Since every ship but the barge has a nonmagical ranged attack, that would give them a huge advantage against most opponents they'd go up against. (It would, unfortunately, require digging into the code again, and I haven't poked at that in almost a year.) That might be too good, though; I can't let them completely dominate the seas.
Suggestion: Significant stat buff AND/OR give them a unique ability (eg. allow them to attack two different enemy units per turn (but not attack the same unit once)).
Post by: tryrar on February 27, 2013, 10:15:47 pm
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 28, 2013, 05:31:52 pm
That's true of early and midgame cavalry as well. I was expecting the required buildings to be a bigger deal, to be honest, but the long peaceful buildup kind of screwed with that.
You could create a possible balance by having the occasional NPC enemies spawn at the map edges with scripting to go towards the least defendable city of the nearest civilization. That may require a decent amount of scripting, but it would balance early-game buildup, especially if they are hidden from the players until they reach 2-3 tiles away from the city.
That might be too good, though; I can't let them completely dominate the seas.
If the map is balanced so that there is an ability for all players to reach it in a timely manner, than it should not be that much of a problem.
Post by: Vanigo on February 28, 2013, 08:24:02 pm
If the map is balanced so that there is an ability for all players to reach it in a timely manner, than it should not be that much of a problem.Kind of like how the pegasi weren't a problem? I don't want any one tile to give its owner an insurmountable advantage in one field or another.
Post by: TalonisWolf on April 05, 2014, 05:53:33 pm
Edit: Didn't notice the date stamp, krap. Sorry, didn't intend to necro.
Post by: Sheb on April 05, 2014, 05:55:14 pm