Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 07:53:26 pm
Heavily inspired by Kilojoule Proton's game "Ye Gods" that went on at this forum a little while ago. I thought about doing a more straight-up reboot, but knew very well I couldn't hope to survive the workload that would bring me :P.
This game will start as a simple God game. Almost a completely blank slate, letting the players create the universe in the image they wish. At the start, creating something like a planet will be quite a difficult and expensive feet. Much of the back story and more obscure rules will be hidden, letting the players find out themselves in-character which is always fun~. Any questions and price checks will go here, which will become an OOC when the game starts.
I will probably start the game on Saturday, if there is enough interest. From there on, I will attempt to do 1 tick a day where actions will be processed and everyone's regeneration will happen. If I end up getting to overworked to make that, I will let everyone know of this and change the ticks to something that works better for me.
Honestly, I thought about putting off this games creation until tomorrow, but I got the mechanics down while at work and decided to get this posted before I forgot them all! Yay! I will edit this to make it make more sense and become better written when I am less tired. For now, lets just see if anyone is even interested.
Name: ...I am not sure. If you figure this out, please inform me.
Sphere: What you have domain over. Actions in your sphere get a bonus and are cheaper, while objects against them are more expensive. You can have one "Primary" sphere and one "Secondary" sphere.
Primary form/associated symbol: What icon your God likes to spam on everything, and what form it takes.
Description/Background: General character description, including things like personality, open goals, or whatever else you feel like putting in.
Spoiler: Mechanics (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 08:27:06 pm
Name:Essence/Power/Crux
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Full character sheets organized by FargHalfnr.
(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325)
Creation Summery by Demonic Spoon.
(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6313753#msg6313753)
Demonic Spoon Creation summary second post.
(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6313781#msg6313781)
There isn't much else to write right now. When the game starts, you will simply appear in the blank-slate "Void", with the world being created almost entirely by the players.
...What have I gotten myself into?
Post by: Andres on May 27, 2015, 09:30:06 pm
jk lol
Spoiler: Iliseth Character Sheet (click to show/hide)
But seriously, glad to see a successor to Ye Gods whose mechanics I like. Might want to do something like the original Ye Gods OOC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.0) did and format the OP. Makes it easier and nicer to read.
Post by: micelus on May 27, 2015, 10:19:45 pm
Spoiler: Mavnon, Overseer of Conflict (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 10:25:29 pm
I will PM so many secret actions. I will assume everything about the world and the mechanics. I will come back from permadeath each and every time. I will veto other gods' actions. I will make create obvious clones of aspects of popular media. I will not stop. I will not rest. I will continue until you drown so deeply under work that you quit the game entirely. This is my goal.
Ha. I don't need YOU to make me quit my games!
I will probably organize the OP tomorrow, when I do the editing.
Post by: Andres on May 27, 2015, 10:33:36 pm
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 10:34:27 pm
I left the 'Malakath' in there by accident. :P It's been removed.
I'm keeping it. ::)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 27, 2015, 10:43:50 pm
Spoiler: Ra Ha Sahaka, God of Forbidden Knowledge (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 10:49:29 pm
Spoiler: Ra Ha Sahaka, God of Forbidden Knowledge (click to show/hide)
Also accepted! Good to see someone is going with tentacles when I cannot myself.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 27, 2015, 10:51:09 pm
Spoiler: Aurosseu (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on May 27, 2015, 10:52:17 pm
Genuinely thankful that you started a game that you know you yourself can't participate in. It's pretty selfless of you.Spoiler: Ra Ha Sahaka, God of Forbidden Knowledge (click to show/hide)
Also accepted! Good to see someone is going with tentacles when I cannot myself.
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 11:00:50 pm
Genuinely thankful that you started a game that you know you yourself can't participate in. It's pretty selfless of you.Spoiler: Ra Ha Sahaka, God of Forbidden Knowledge (click to show/hide)
Also accepted! Good to see someone is going with tentacles when I cannot myself.
Ehh? Not really. I have probably DMed more then I played games. It is jut another part of the game, if it wasn't any fun we wouldn't have hundreds of them on this forum alone.
Post by: Andres on May 27, 2015, 11:14:06 pm
How does magic work?
Can Power be used for carving? (Statues, wall-engravings, etc.)
Angels?
Dimensions? Planes?
How do we ask for price checks?
Is a primary sphere more powerful if the god who has it has no secondary sphere?
How long does a Tick last in-game?
Are there discounts for multiple gods working together on a project?
Can a god damage another god without using E/P/C? (Swinging at them with a sword, for example.)
Will you let Rolepgeek play?
Do we get any unique starting knowledge based on our spheres? (Would a god of Souls know how souls work, for example.)
Do gods have souls?
Will non-sentience/sentience/sapience be used like in Ye Gods?
What are the physical sizes of the gods? Does physical size matter when it comes to godly combat?
You've made it much easier to destroy things than it is to create. Are you sure that's wise? In Ye Gods destruction was just as costly as creation and there was still a lot of conflict.
Can Power be used in an explosive fashion?
Jelly rolls?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 27, 2015, 11:29:58 pm
I'll try a less abstract sphere, I think. That might help. FAKEDIT: Well, everyone else did concepts...maybe I can too.
Spoiler: Teburshe, The Shade Keeper (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on May 27, 2015, 11:55:51 pm
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So will this be both the IC/OOC thread, will you make an OOC thread, or will we use the old Ye Gods OOC thread as this one's?
I will consider it a desperate game for all intents and purposes. This thread will become the OOC when the game starts, with a new IC forming.
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How does magic work?
Blank slate. There is no naturally occurring magic that Gods are aware of. If the Gods want a magic system, they can develop a weak one themselves or a universal one together.
There *is* also a mysterious ambient energy all Gods are instinctively aware is known as "Magic", however it is separated from this world. Think of it like an energy trapped behind a foggy pane of bulletproof glass, they can see something on the other side but can not get to it. A coordinated effort from multiple gods could put a hole in the glass, giving magic to mortals, but you would not understand how it works.
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Can Power be used for carving? (Statues, wall-engravings, etc.)
Anything caused indirectly by Power stays once the effects wear off. Carvings stay. If you blessed a city with a magic raincloud that grows crops to instantly grow, the cloud would vanish but the crops that had been grown would stay. If you abuse this, then whatever you try won't work :P.
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Angels?
I don't have any template for them. Blank slate. If you want any kind of Angelic being, simply create them as you would a normal creation.
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Dimensions? Planes?
You have no natural knowlage of Dimensions and Planes.
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How do we ask for price checks?
Same way as in Ye Gods. A series of dollar signs ($$$) above your post with a question about what you want, with any and all features it has, posted in this thread. This will be made more clear in tomorrow's edit.
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Is a primary sphere more powerful if the god who has it has no secondary sphere?
No. You may, however, choose a second sphere at any time if you do not have one, giving you some versatility that you would otherwise lack.
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How long does a Tick last in-game?
Variable, in the same vein as Ye-Gods. As long as they need to be to be interesting. This is likely due to the chaotic and unpredictable nature of the "Power". The destructive energy seems to be destroyed faster if more is going on during a time period.
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Are there discounts for multiple gods working together on a project?
Yes, as mentioned in the OP.
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Can a god damage another god without using E/P/C? (Swinging at them with a sword, for example.)
Yes, and no. A sword that is powerful enough, blessed in a special way, or other open-ended things can damage a god without additional expenditure of anything. To get to that point, they would have to be created with some sort of energy. You can't just punch another God and expect them to die without someone or something expending energy. Even direct energy expenditure is unlikely to damage a God without a specially made weapon.
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Will you let Rolepgeek play?
Of course. He probably played a quarter of my games already (starting with the first one I did on these forums), I don't see any reason to start banning him from them now.
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Do we get any unique starting knowledge based on our spheres? (Would a god of Souls know how souls work, for example.)
You will likely get bonuses to anything related to researching your own spheres, as you would with anything else related with your sphere. You do not have any special inherent knowlage, though I may give you "feelings" to steer you in the right path.
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Do gods have souls?
*Shrugs*
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Will non-sentience/sentience/sapience be used like in Ye Gods?
I will say "Yes" for now. The reality may be more confusing in practice, but it will be enough for price checks and creation (For example, trying to create a sapient being out of Power will probably act oddly).
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What are the physical sizes of the gods? Does physical size matter when it comes to godly combat?
That is two questions! You are throwing the entire system off! Question 1, Whatever the Gods want them to be as long as it doesn't effect anything. If it does, then whatever they want it to be with cost based on the effect. 2, Not at all, unless it is explicitly a side effect from spending energy. Example: A god that normally takes the form of a single cell of bacteria would receive no bonuses or penalties for normal combat. If a human-sized God spent Power to shrink himself to a single cell with the specific intent of making himself more difficult to hit, he would likely receive the intended bonuses.
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You've made it much easier to destroy things than it is to create. Are you sure that's wise? In Ye Gods destruction was just as costly as creation and there was still a lot of conflict.
Power doesn't have to be used to destroy, it can have nondestructive uses. The system is generally supposed to make it more easy to create then it was in Ye Gods. For example, I disconnected "Hit Points" and "Essence" so that paranoid Gods could spend as much as they want without fear of dying. Power itself is meant to benefit more active Gods, by letting them spend things without loosing essence, in turn making them spend more essence on creation. Besides that-Conflict was one of the most fun parts of Ye Gods.
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Can Power be used in an explosive fashion?
The use of energy is only limited by your imagination. So yes.
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Jelly rolls?
I haven't eaten in two weeks, sustaining myself on rootbeer alone, and have never eaten a jellyroll in my life. You will have to satisfy yourself with weaponry jabbed into any place I can fit it.
Looks pretty cool.
I'll try a less abstract sphere, I think. That might help. FAKEDIT: Well, everyone else did concepts...maybe I can too.Spoiler: Teburshe, The Shade Keeper (click to show/hide)
Accepted. We had a lot of concepts in the last game too, no clue why.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 12:05:54 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 12:18:58 am
What's more is, I posted my sheet immediately after he posted those questions.
I find that hilarious.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 12:21:59 am
I'll try a less abstract sphere, I think. That might help. FAKEDIT: Well, everyone else did concepts...maybe I can too.My spheres aren't abstract... :-\
knowlageWhy did I have to make fun of that typo?
*Shrugs*Is looking at people's souls a free action? What about for a god of Souls?
(For example, trying to create a sapient being out of Power will probably act oddly).I would've thought they'd just disappear from existence. My OOC desire to do !!SCIENCE!! is conflicting with my IC desire to not be a dick! Aaaargh!!!
That is two questions! You are throwing the entire system off!do what i want
Power doesn't have to be used to destroy, it can have nondestructive uses. The system is generally supposed to make it more easy to create then it was in Ye Gods. For example, I disconnected "Hit Points" and "Essence" so that paranoid Gods could spend as much as they want without fear of dying. Power itself is meant to benefit more active Gods, by letting them spend things without loosing essence, in turn making them spend more essence on creation. Besides that-Conflict was one of the most fun parts of Ye Gods.It's kinda defined as "energy of destruction" so it's more than a bit misleading. Separating Essence from HP was a very wise choice. Conflict was indeed one of the most fun parts of Ye Gods but too much of a good thing can be bad.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 12:56:04 am
Sphere: Primary: Magic; Secondary: Portals
Primary form: A massive, living portal, forming a silhouette of whatever physical thing the viewer fears the most. Where the portal leads to, and thus displays in the silhouette varies widely, from a innocuous field of flowers to the blinding light of the sun.
Associated symbol: A small black Anti-Sun symbol, that sucks in ambient light
Description/Background: Izgamlo wishes to access the mysterious existing magic via means of a great Portal, and learn how it works, and how she can use it. In addition, Izgamlo wishes to bend and warp space like one would mould clay into a work of art, riddling it with portals, making movement unpredictable. To achieve these goals, it is willing to work with other gods, as well following the adage of "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours".
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 04:28:06 am
Sphere: Kinship, Blood
Primary form: An old man with a permanent smile on his face
Associated symbol:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Description/Background: The greatest bonds are borne of blood. The blood of the innocent and guilty alike, this is what connects all beings, so that they shall have purpose. So that they shall have happiness. So that they shall belong. Uztot Mailug realizes this above all, and cherishes every mortal union.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 04:32:34 am
Name:Mmm? I don't recall us being restricted from choosing ridiculously specific spheres? I mean, you can probably have a sphere of fireflies or something, and just massively proliferate fireflies through the universe. Those stars? Fireflies. The sun. A really big firefly! That planet, it has lots of normal fireflies! Souls? They're magical incorpereal fireflies
Sphere: Family/Kinship, Blood
Primary form/associated symbol:
Description/Background: The greatest bonds are borne of blood.
I'll call it a preliminary character. I'm not stepping on any toes am I Andres?
And I know I'm cheating with the primary sphere. I'll pick a suitably broad word later. Maybe just kinship?
Etc.
I was sort of tempted to take a silly sphere, like Dance.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 04:43:20 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 04:51:05 am
Yeah, a sphere can be as broad or specific as the player wants. In the original Ye Gods, the broadness of a sphere affected its power to some extent. Cim's ridiculously broad sphere of Order gave a discount to many, many things but I still had to plan around substantial costs on pretty much everything. Meanwhile, KI'Tork's very specific sphere of Kitchens allowed him to give everyone kitchens and related things at literally no cost.I can imagine that if someone took a pretty specific race sphere, like the aforementioned fireflies, they'd pretty soon become some sort of firefly master race.
Firefly god invests all his essence into fireflies! Fireflies are more awesome and fireflyie than ever!
The benefits of specialization
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 04:55:27 am
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 04:56:40 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 04:58:00 am
Andres played a god of Humans. Yaos didn't manage (or try?) to make them a master race, and instead got killed half a dozen times for unrelated reasons.Yeah, that sounds more like him not playing smart than anything, though I have a Ye Gods tab open that I will examine eventually.
Eh. I was never quite happy with the spheres Azem had. Maybe if Azem had actually been a bad guy.Who is Azem?
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:03:10 am
I never did much with him. It was fun having him spiral into depression and rage at the gods for being apathetic jerks though.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 05:07:46 am
depression and rageAh, memories. Cim sure had a lot of fun with the Mountwyrms while Azem was away.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 05:11:26 am
I'll call it a preliminary character. I'm not stepping on any toes am I Andres?
Just take it.:))How funny would be it to have three gods with the exact same sphere? It would be a trainwreck, but it would be funny.The 3 Fire Gods have an argument!
Keshan and Slytha have both been burnt to a crisp!
Everything alive has burned to death!
Khazziraad looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!
3 fire gods have been struck down!
Khaziraad has created GodGrave, an artifact star!
This is an artifact sun. All quality is of the higest craftgodship. It is made of a dead fire god. It is adorned with rings of dead fire god. On the artifact sun is an immage of god and gods in dead fire god. The god is smiting down the gods. This immage comemorates Khaziraad enforcing "no mass destruction" rule on Tick xx.Multiple fire gods: Just for hilarity, I think I'll allow it.
Andres played a god of Humans. Yaos didn't manage (or try?) to make them a master race, and instead got killed half a dozen times for unrelated reasons.Didn't manage. If Fusil hadn't declared a vendetta on me Humanity would've been ruling the stars in just a few dozen Ticks. Of course my rival just had to be Fusil - the one god with enough firepower to stop me. Also, I was perma-killed a total of five times. I take it with pride that I survived the very literally unsurvivable five times in a row. It was actually really easy and cheap to do, too.
Yeah, that sounds more like him not playing smart than anything, though I have a Ye Gods tab open that I will examine eventually.You should've seen the massive army I had. Seriously, only Strike Team Fusil could've stopped it, which they proceeded to do by striking the heart of the army (me and my archangels).
Who is Azem?The Dragon-God of Wealth. Vgray's profile picture is Azem. Yaos was friendly to him because it was Azem who created Humans and by extension Yaos.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:16:57 am
Is that a challenge Andres?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 05:17:31 am
My old god from the original YG. God of Greed and Trade, later god of Wealth and Trade.Going more specific than vague concepts of wealth and trade might help. Narrow the scope so you care more. Like say you took the sphere of "cute wuddly cuddly fluffy wamblers who couldn't hurt a fly".
I never did much with him. It was fun having him spiral into depression and rage at the gods for being apathetic jerks though.
First, you need to create suitable environment for your fluffy wambles. So you create pleasant field of flowers.
Then you create the fluffy wamblers, who happily frolick through the field of flowers. Great!
However, Bad McBadguy the Evilbad god of Badevilness has created a wicked race of Yucky YuckYuck creatures who survive solely by eating your precious fluffy wamblers! Horror! Despair! Woe!
So, now you have to somehow protect your Fluffies from the Yucky-Yucks! You could mutate some of the fluffy wamblers into super wamblers, with the other wamblers taking shelter in their super fur, with the Yuckies unable to harm the super-wamblers.
Or you could make the wamblers poisonous! Or you have them be able to make them transform their fur into spikes so that when the yucky-yucks swallow them whole their throats are suddenly filled with spikes, causing them to asphyxiate.
But woe! Despair! Horror! Evil Mcbadguy has killed all the pretty flowers, causing your fluffy wamblers to starve!
You could cause them to directly absorb sunshine and happiness! Or perhaps they constantly throw off spores that grow into new flowers!
Etc.
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 05:17:56 am
Yeah, a sphere can be as broad or specific as the player wants. In the original Ye Gods, the broadness of a sphere affected its power to some extent. Cim's ridiculously broad sphere of Order gave a discount to many, many things but I still had to plan around substantial costs on pretty much everything. Meanwhile, KI'Tork's very specific sphere of Kitchens allowed him to give everyone kitchens and related things at literally no cost.
I've edited my sheet accordingly.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 05:20:56 am
Is that a challenge Andres?Nah, just mentioning that the idea is hilarious. TBH my god wouldn't be averse to working with your god. Remember in Ye Gods how my god created blood oaths and such? It'll also let my god learn new blood magic tricks if we were to train together.
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However, Bad McBadguy the Evilbad god of Badevilness has created a wicked race of Yucky YuckYuck creatures who survive solely by eating your precious fluffy wamblers! Horror! Despair! Woe!This is pretty much exactly what I did with Humans. I created a zombie army so they could die in the place of humanity (never used, unfortunately) and I created the titans from Attack on Titan. The titans were actually one of the few effective defences out of ALL the allied gods' forces against a monster invasion during the early part of the game.
So, now you have to somehow protect your Fluffies from the Yucky-Yucks! You could mutate some of the fluffy wamblers into super wamblers, with the other wamblers taking shelter in their super fur, with the Yuckies unable to harm the super-wamblers.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:26:08 am
Now...name and symbol, name and symbol...
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 05:26:46 am
I'm sure we'll get along great.Family tree? :))
Now...name and symbol, name and symbol...
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 05:29:16 am
Now...name and symbol, name and symbol...Uztot Mailug
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:34:45 am
Bets for how long it take this character to be driven into a deep depression?
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 05:36:10 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 05:36:47 am
Hm. It's something.By all his family dying horribly? About 20 ticks.
Bets for how long it take this character to be driven into a deep depression?
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 05:39:45 am
We should probably set up some kind of code of conduct (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144651.msg5755226#msg5755226) as soon as possible.Hm. It's something.By all his family dying horribly? About 20 ticks.
Bets for how long it take this character to be driven into a deep depression?
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 05:42:42 am
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:45:37 am
Although now that you mention it, I expect my god will pretty much consider all of creation to be their familly. Including the gods, as messed up as they are likely to be.
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 05:46:51 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 05:48:17 am
I'm almost afraid to ask what Cim did.Converted a majority of them to worship it alongside their other gods, chose prophets, built secret cities devoted to worship, tricked them to help it create one of the most, if not the most destructive weapon-like artifact ever, helped advance magic and technology by just a little, invented mail service, got corrupt politicians lynched, protected caravans, investigated Void cults, and so much more. Fun times.
Question: can gods reproduce or at the very least produce weaker offspring?
No. Just no.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:52:43 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2015, 06:00:57 am
Question: can gods reproduce or at the very least produce weaker offspring?C'mere I need to test something...
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 28, 2015, 06:05:06 am
Spoiler: Alicia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:40:33 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 07:36:32 am
Name: Gai-gen
Spheres: Primary(engineering), Secondary(architecture).
Primary Form/Associated Symbol: A bunch of floating, whirling, gears. In perpetual motion.
Description/Background: Gai-gen is the embodiment of mechanical technology, and as such he is nearly void of emotion... mostly. Also loves to build structures. Has a fondness for golems.
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 07:48:31 am
Seeing as Kalpa's ground itself to a halt...
All my reports will be done by next week so there should be an update coming up soonish.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:51:12 am
$$$
How much power/essence would it take to bore a hole through that foggy bulletproof glass so I can get my hands on the sweet sweet mysterious ambient energy magics? I'm assuming power would be valid in the use of creating a permanent hole through the focused application of force?
How much essence to create a conventional sun?
Post by: Dutrius on May 28, 2015, 07:55:45 am
Let's try something different...
Spoiler: Character (click to show/hide)
So, anyone wanna help me bore a hole in the fabric of reality so that we can release magic we know nothing about upon the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YwXff-i1fY)?Without clicking the link, I'm suddenly very paranoid about releasing magic. Maybe it's because I've read the Wheel of Time series.
Spoiler: Minor spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:58:43 am
My "the ways this could go horribly wrong" thoughts actually drifted more in the direction of D&D elves who built a gate linking to the Far Realm from which eldritch horrors poured forth.So, anyone wanna help me bore a hole in the fabric of reality so that we can release magic we know nothing about upon the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YwXff-i1fY)?Without clicking the link, I'm suddenly very paranoid about releasing magic. Maybe it's because I've read the Wheel of Time series.Spoiler: Minor spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, the whole council thing of Ye Gods is pretty unappealing to me. We don't have anything like that in Litany right?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 08:21:23 am
I'm definitively in. Hopefully this one will last longer.
Spoiler: Character sheet (click to show/hide)
Edit: And I'll definitively help drilling that wall thing! But I think we should wait until we're ready do defend ourselves before just in case that it brings a sea of abominations.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 08:27:29 am
Character's done, on a spur-of-the-moment idea.
....So...where is it?
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Is looking at people's souls a free action? What about for a god of Souls?
*Shrugs Harder*
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I would've thought they'd just disappear from existence. My OOC desire to do !!SCIENCE!! is conflicting with my IC desire to not be a dick! Aaaargh!!!
You may have assumed that :P. Power can do "almost" everything Essence can. There are a few things it has trouble with, which will be more fun to find out IC.
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It's kinda defined as "energy of destruction" so it's more than a bit misleading. Separating Essence from HP was a very wise choice. Conflict was indeed one of the most fun parts of Ye Gods but too much of a good thing can be bad.
The energy is of destruction, but it doesn't have to be used that way. That is supposed to be confusing. If there is too much conflict, I can make a rule change. This was generally meant to let people create without taking away from their abilities to do other things, so they wouldn't be so paranoid and would generally create more.
Name: Izgamlo
Sphere: Primary: Magic Secondary: Portals & Thresholds
Primary form: A massive, living portal, forming a silhouette of whatever physical thing the viewer fears the most. Where the portal leads to, and thus displays in the silhouette varies widely, from a innocuous field of flowers to the blinding light of the sun.
Associated symbol: A small black Anti-Sun symbol, that sucks in ambient light
Description/Background: Izgamlo wishes to access the mysterious existing magic via means of a great Portal, and learn how it works, and how she can use it. In addition, Izgamlo wishes to bend and warp space like one would mould clay into a work of art, riddling it with portals, making movement unpredictable. To achieve these goals, it is willing to work with other gods, as well following the adage of "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours".
Accepted, but I am counting "Portals" as your secondary sphere. You only get one secondary, most thresholds will be counted under it anyway :P. Sorry about that.
Name:
Sphere: Kinship, Blood
Primary form/associated symbol:
Description/Background: The greatest bonds are borne of blood. Blood spilt, blood sacrificed.
I'll call it a preliminary character. I'm not stepping on any toes am I Andres?
And I know I'm cheating with the primary sphere. I'll pick a suitably broad word later. Maybe just kinship?
I can only imagine what it once was :-\. As it is, it is accepted. Feel free to change it, before the game start would be best.
Sphere Broadness:
Generally, I try to do what KJP did. More broad spheres give you smaller bonuses to a lot of things, while really specific spheres give you larger bonus to only a few things. It also effects how high your "Influence" is. If you are the god of "EVERYTHING!", then things simply existing will give you practically no essence, while the god of "Fireflies" from your examples would receive a livable income from a modest amount of insects.
Andres played a god of Humans. Yaos didn't manage (or try?) to make them a master race, and instead got killed half a dozen times for unrelated reasons.Yeah, that sounds more like him not playing smart than anything, though I have a Ye Gods tab open that I will examine eventually.
To be fair, if he tried making humans the master race, I would have killed him a dozen times for related reasons instead :P.
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You should've seen the massive army I had. Seriously, only Strike Team Fusil could've stopped it, which they proceeded to do by striking the heart of the army (me and my archangels).
Then Cim nuked everything anyway, and I could have at any point ::).
63 Ticks.
I think I will be driven insane before he is at that rate...
Question: can gods reproduce or at the very least produce weaker offspring?
Not with other Gods. Demigods can be made in several ways (requiring Essence to actually show powers), but not physical touching. Gods generally just magically appear out of nowhere for mysterious and unimportant reasons, and can not be simply made.
ooh, another YG! Count me in!Spoiler: Alicia (click to show/hide)
Accepted. Welcome back. I am just tired enough to read the name as "Mother of Mucus".
So, anyone wanna help me bore a hole in the fabric of reality so that we can release magic we know nothing about upon the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YwXff-i1fY)?
It probably won't be too destructive, to start out at least :P. Generally this was added so that you could all have the more "mysterious" type of magic the original Ye Gods had, a lot of that game was finding out about the universe. After all, if you create it yourselves you would know everything about it :P.
Name: Gai-gen
Spheres: Primary(engineering), Secondary(architecture).
Primary Form/Associated Symbol: A bunch of floating, whirling, gears. In perpetual motion.
Description/Background: Gai-gen is the embodiment of mechanical technology, and as such he is nearly void of emotion... mostly. Also loves to build structures. Has a fondness for golems.
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Accepted!
And... bye! Work time!
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:37:42 am
Damn, magic and engineering have both been taken. Again.There aren't any rules to different gods having the same sphere to the best of my knowledge if you really have your heart set on either magic or engineering.
Let's try something different...
Edit: And I'll definitively help drilling that wall thing! But I think we should wait until we're ready do defend ourselves before just in case that it brings a sea of abominations.My comrade!
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It probably won't be too destructive, to start out at least :P. Generally this was added so that you could all have the more "mysterious" type of magic the original Ye Gods had, a lot of that game was finding out about the universe. After all, if you create it yourselves you would know everything about it :P.Hey, you heard Stirk, the mystery magic will be perfectly safe! We can bore it up immediately and become filthy rich magic-oil barons!
He edited it into his original post. Here's a link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6260462#msg6260462).Character's done, on a spur-of-the-moment idea.
....So...where is it?
Spoiler: And a quote (click to show/hide)
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Mmm? Oh that's fine, I just thought portals and thresholds might be similar enough that I might swing them being a single secondary sphere but just Portals is a-ok.Name: Izgamlo
Sphere: Primary: Magic Secondary: Portals & Thresholds
Primary form: A massive, living portal, forming a silhouette of whatever physical thing the viewer fears the most. Where the portal leads to, and thus displays in the silhouette varies widely, from a innocuous field of flowers to the blinding light of the sun.
Associated symbol: A small black Anti-Sun symbol, that sucks in ambient light
Description/Background: Izgamlo wishes to access the mysterious existing magic via means of a great Portal, and learn how it works, and how she can use it. In addition, Izgamlo wishes to bend and warp space like one would mould clay into a work of art, riddling it with portals, making movement unpredictable. To achieve these goals, it is willing to work with other gods, as well following the adage of "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours".
Accepted, but I am counting "Portals" as your secondary sphere. You only get one secondary, most thresholds will be counted under it anyway :P. Sorry about that.
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It was Family/Kinship, you can see his original post enshrined directly below his post in my quote. :))Name:
Sphere: Kinship, Blood
Primary form/associated symbol:
Description/Background: The greatest bonds are borne of blood. Blood spilt, blood sacrificed.
I'll call it a preliminary character. I'm not stepping on any toes am I Andres?
And I know I'm cheating with the primary sphere. I'll pick a suitably broad word later. Maybe just kinship?
I can only imagine what it once was :-\. As it is, it is accepted. Feel free to change it, before the game start would be best.
Post by: Dutrius on May 28, 2015, 08:40:37 am
Damn, magic and engineering have both been taken. Again.There aren't any rules to different gods having the same sphere to the best of my knowledge if you really have your heart set on either magic or engineering.
Let's try something different...
I know, I just wanted to play something unique.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:45:56 am
Fair enough, but could you perhaps give some sort of indication of what kind of personality or goals you gods have? Life and Death is kind of vague. All I'm getting from that is that your god might be a fan of "balance" in some sort of metaphysical sense. :-\Damn, magic and engineering have both been taken. Again.There aren't any rules to different gods having the same sphere to the best of my knowledge if you really have your heart set on either magic or engineering.
Let's try something different...
I know, I just wanted to play something unique.
Helps me get IC when potentially interacting with your god in the future.
Post by: Dutrius on May 28, 2015, 08:47:08 am
Fair enough, but could you perhaps give some sort of indication of what kind of personality or goals you gods have? Life and Death is kind of vague. All I'm getting from that is that your god might be a fan of "balance" in some sort of metaphysical sense. :-\
Helps me get IC when potentially interacting with your god in the future.
I haven't decided yet.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 09:21:36 am
Then Cim nuked everything anyway, and I could have at any point ::).As I've explained multiple times both IC and OOC, Cim didn't. I am being completely the-game's-already-over honest. I had extrapolated (I didn't even have any hard knowledge) that someone is going to use a WMD and kill everyone, so I sent my troops invisible and intangible to provide magical support against STF, using the later-standardized probability shenanigans (which were also why Cim was winning the snow fight until a certain someone made it a rock fight instead). Cim had nothing to do with the explosion, except noticing a few omens that is was to come.
He edited it into his original post. Here's a link.Thanks. I was going to prod him with a PM to avoid awkwardness, but you're saving me a bit of trouble.
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Post by: Ama on May 28, 2015, 09:25:15 am
Spoiler: Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 10:02:53 am
- Friend:
- Ally: Lithus/Luthus
- Ally of convenience: Ra Ha Sahaka, Izgamlo, Alicia
- Neutral: Iliseth, Teburshe, Vgray's WIP character, Gai-gen, Moi'aaty
- Opponent: Mavnon
- Nemesis: Lauxal
Because I still have nothing better to do, I could do these assessments for other characters at request. Any interest?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 10:05:28 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 10:43:45 am
- Friend:
- Ally: Ra Ha Sahaka, Moi'aaty
- Ally of convenience: Mavnon, Aurosseu, Teburshe, Lithus/Luthus
- Neutral: Iliseth, Vgray's WIP character, Alicia, Gai-gen, Lauxal
- Opponent:
- Nemesis:
Izgamlo seems so flexible, very little conflict stems from his nature. Theoretically he could get on good terms with any and all other gods, but poor chemistry between the others makes that improbable. In practice, Izgamlo can choose his friends, but must be aware that the choice has consequences.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 10:58:55 am
FAKEDIT: I just remembered my progress aspect also includes arts, as I mentioned in my character sheet. I guess dreams and art go well together.
Post by: Dutrius on May 28, 2015, 11:10:42 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 11:24:13 am
Lithus:
- Friend: Luthus
- Ally: Ra Ha Sahaka, Aurosseu, Teburshe
- Ally of convenience: Gai-gen, Izgamlo
- Neutral: Iliseth, Mavnon, Vgray's WIP character, Alicia, Moi'aaty, Lauxal
- Opponent:
- Nemesis:
Luthus:
- Friend: Lithus
- Ally: Mavnon, Ra Ha Sahaka
- Ally of convenience: Iliseth, Izgamlo, Moi'aaty, Aurosseu
- Neutral: Teburshe, Vgray's WIP character, Alicia, Lauxal
- Opponent: Gai-gen
- Nemesis:
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 28, 2015, 12:29:02 pm
You should've seen the massive army I had. Seriously, only Strike Team Fusil could've stopped it, which they proceeded to do by striking the heart of the army (me and my archangels).
Remember when you within a whole alliance fought against Fusil? Remember how this kind of ASSumptions always returned to bite you in the ass?
I'll be making a charsheet momentarily.
Damn, magic and engineering have both been taken. Again.
That is very much MY line.
Then Cim nuked everything anyway, and I could have at any point ::).
C'mon =_=' Cim never nuked anything.
Name: Lorash
Spheres: Metals and Memories
Primary form: Bulky metal golem engraved with fractal runes.
Associated Symbol: Engraved anvil
Description: Lorash believes in inevitability. No matter what, being is fleeting and all eventually return to void. As such, only the journey matters. Lorash is dedicated to recording said journey, creating eternal record of all that lived.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 01:18:53 pm
Since I don't want to be constantly searching the thread for everyone's character, I've decided to put each each god's sheet in one place. I'm posting this here because I'm guessing I'm not the only one who might find it useful. (I know there's a character list at the first page, but it doesn't include all the information I need.)
I will try to add new sheets as soon as they are posted, but since it is not an official list being added here does not means that your entry has been accepted. If you plan to edit your sheet please make sure to announce it on the OOC thread so that I can update it here.
Spoiler: Iliseth Character Sheet (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mavnon, Overseer of Conflict (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ra Ha Sahaka, God of Forbidden Knowledge (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Aurosseu (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Teburshe, The Shade Keeper (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Uztot Mailug/Azem (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Alicia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Gai-gen (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Moi'aaty (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lithus/Luthus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lorash (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Nilva, The God of Traps: (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Liram (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 'Sevron (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Skolld (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Stellarion (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Utther (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shar Character Sheet (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Khalira, Lady of Sky and Sea (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dgetga (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 01:29:54 pm
C'mon =_=' Cim never nuked anything./me coughs awkwardly.
Cim didn't nuke that one battleground, that's for sure.
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 28, 2015, 01:46:02 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 02:26:23 pm
FArgHalfnr for the #1 eldrich monstrocity.
That is totally my new sig :v.
And also, I've decided to draw my character. Maybe I'll post it here if it's good enough.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 02:33:38 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 02:43:52 pm
I'd be interested in seeing my character's projected relationships. Wow, this game is dense....not really?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 02:46:09 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 28, 2015, 02:49:44 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 02:50:41 pm
Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?Four.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 02:51:35 pm
And I say 17.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 02:52:10 pm
The prize is?Satisfaction.
And I say 17.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 02:53:18 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 02:56:03 pm
- Friend:
- Ally: Ra Ha Sahaka
- Ally of convenience: Teburshe
- Neutral: Iliseth, Aurosseu, Izgamlo, Vgray's WIP character, Alicia, Moi'aaty, Lithus/Luthus, Lauxal, Lorash
- Opponent: Mavnon
- Nemesis:
Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?I'd say about 40-50, assuming this game lasts that long. Scheduled absences notwithstanding.
Can it be weaponized Bay 12 style? Otherwise... it's not good enough.LuckyKobold had Satisfaction as KI'Tork's secondary sphere. The answer to your question is: yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 02:57:29 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 28, 2015, 03:04:32 pm
- Increase an army's morale though satisfaction, making it more deadly.
- Satisfy your opponent, allowing you to take from their perceived plenty.
- Overload your opponent's senses with wonderful things, stunning them.
- Promise satisfaction to the one who brings you your opponent's head.
- Make suicide an extremely satisfying endeavour.
- Satisfy your opponent so that every other joy in life pales in comparison. Watch them get depressed.
- Hang an Artifact of satisfaction above an acid pit. They'll jump in on their own accord.
- Satisfy yourself so you don't want to fight anymore. Warm up a cold war by making it chill.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 28, 2015, 03:08:17 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 28, 2015, 03:12:31 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 03:51:46 pm
9. Make the slaughter of your opponent the most satisfying action possible.
10. Steal all the satisfaction by claiming monopoly on it!
11. Increase your target's satisfaction by a negative value until death by suicide.
12. Offer satisfaction to your enemy's people in exchange of betrayal.
13. Find a loophole that allow you to convert satisfaction into energy and enjoy your unlimited power!
Here, 13 ways to weaponize satisfaction for 13 players.
And also, I finished drawing my character:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 04:37:50 pm
Now excuse me while I come up with their name.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 05:00:56 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 05:23:51 pm
I also sorta wanna do the God of Traps I did a while ago for that Cheesecake godgame that died.
.. *archive plunge to find that charactersheet*
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 05:25:11 pm
I have to wonder how Teburshe is likely to get on with people.
And also how you think of each of the relationship classifications. As in, how you define Friend versus Ally, or Ally of Convenience versus Neutral, and Nemesis versus Opponent, and the like.
Edit: Kevak, do the God of Traps and Surprise. And have the following as his avatar.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 05:36:17 pm
Post by: Ama on May 28, 2015, 05:38:25 pm
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 05:40:21 pm
I would also be interested in my character's possible relationships, if you have the time Cim.
Same.
EDIT: Also edited my sheet very slightly.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 05:58:59 pm
I wish I could draw like that... or in color... or at a decent level. Ah well.
I thought I couldn't draw in colors until I tried, in fact this is literally my second attempt at it. You should give it a try, it's not as hard as it seems.
And while I'm here, I guess I could draw other people's character if anyone is interested. I probably won't be able to do it today though. I'll most likely be too busy for that.
Edit: and I've added your change to the list, micelus.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:01:37 pm
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 06:04:48 pm
It probably won't be too destructive, to start out at least :P. Generally this was added so that you could all have the more "mysterious" type of magic the original Ye Gods had, a lot of that game was finding out about the universe. After all, if you create it yourselves you would know everything about it :P.Are you talking about Void magic or just generally attunements like Elemental, Necromancy, Musical, etc.? Or are you referring to how the magic works, what it's affected by, and what its source is?
Remember when you within a whole alliance fought against Fusil? Remember how this kind of ASSumptions always returned to bite you in the ass?In my defence, I thought that assuming things was a key part of the mechanics. Apparently "your thoughts form the world" was just rhetoric...
Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?13
And also, I finished drawing my character:Looks pretty awesome.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So... uh
$$$
How much power/essence would it take to bore a hole through that foggy bulletproof glass so I can get my hands on the sweet sweet mysterious ambient energy magics? I'm assuming power would be valid in the use of creating a permanent hole through the focused application of force?
How much essence to create a conventional sun?
$$$
Price check on making weighted armour that halves combat ability but doubles Power gain from training
Price check on making a big bang-created universe
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 06:07:51 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:09:23 pm
*cracks knuckles* Lemme show you how it's done.Umm, no, I'm pretty sure that's called being a bit of an ass?
$$$Spoiler: Inanity (click to show/hide)
Skyrim dragons? Wargs? Like, seriously?
Jeezus christ Andres, At least wait for the game to bloody start before trying to figure out how to game the system.^
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 06:10:32 pm
Spoiler: The God of Traps: (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 06:12:46 pm
Jeezus christ Andres, At least wait for the game to bloody start before trying to figure out how to game the system.
Alright, alright. Trimmed the list down a bit.*cracks knuckles* Lemme show you how it's done.Umm, no, I'm pretty sure that's called being a bit of an ass?
$$$Spoiler: Inanity (click to show/hide)
Skyrim dragons? Wargs? Like, seriously?Jeezus christ Andres, At least wait for the game to bloody start before trying to figure out how to game the system.^
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:13:39 pm
The God of TrapsOh. That kind of traps. I thought you meant the other kind and was actually rather interested. This just seems like fetish stuff.
Name: Nilva
Spheres: Nonbinary Gendering and Wolves.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 06:16:06 pm
Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?13
With you going on around like that? I don't give him a week :P
(and thanks for the compliment)
Edit: added kevak's character sheet to the list.
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 06:20:18 pm
Who ever said literal traps wouldn't happen~?The God of TrapsOh. That kind of traps. I thought you meant the other kind and was actually rather interested. This just seems like fetish stuff.
Name: Nilva
Spheres: Nonbinary Gendering and Wolves.
There's a hard limit of two spheres at the start, Nilva had like five spheres, including literal traps like bear traps last game it was in.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 06:21:01 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:29:08 pm
Right, and you chose nonbinary gender as one of yours. I'm guessing a lot of crossdressing is going to be going on?Who ever said literal traps wouldn't happen~?The God of TrapsOh. That kind of traps. I thought you meant the other kind and was actually rather interested. This just seems like fetish stuff.
Name: Nilva
Spheres: Nonbinary Gendering and Wolves.
There's a hard limit of two spheres at the start, Nilva had like five spheres, including literal traps like bear traps last game it was in.
Like, okay?
I was mostly planning on creating massive balls of chitin, with no identifying external features, that are literally not physically capable of doing anything except worshipping me, so enjoy making them traps I guess?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 06:35:15 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 06:36:04 pm
Right, and you chose nonbinary gender as one of yours. I'm guessing a lot of crossdressing is going to be going on?Who ever said literal traps wouldn't happen~?The God of TrapsOh. That kind of traps. I thought you meant the other kind and was actually rather interested. This just seems like fetish stuff.
Name: Nilva
Spheres: Nonbinary Gendering and Wolves.
There's a hard limit of two spheres at the start, Nilva had like five spheres, including literal traps like bear traps last game it was in.
Like, okay?
I was mostly planning on creating massive balls of chitin, with no identifying external features, that are literally not physically capable of doing anything except worshipping me, so enjoy making them traps I guess?
Good luck getting any influence worth a damn from them...
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 06:36:45 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:44:46 pm
Don't see any reason not to elaborate some, so would like to note I have rather extensively planned them out.Right, and you chose nonbinary gender as one of yours. I'm guessing a lot of crossdressing is going to be going on?Who ever said literal traps wouldn't happen~?The God of TrapsOh. That kind of traps. I thought you meant the other kind and was actually rather interested. This just seems like fetish stuff.
Name: Nilva
Spheres: Nonbinary Gendering and Wolves.
There's a hard limit of two spheres at the start, Nilva had like five spheres, including literal traps like bear traps last game it was in.
Like, okay?
I was mostly planning on creating massive balls of chitin, with no identifying external features, that are literally not physically capable of doing anything except worshipping me, so enjoy making them traps I guess?
Good luck getting any influence worth a damn from them...
Assuming no prohibitive essence costs, each of them would have a portal in their center linked to the surface from the sun, where they get all the energy to power them from. Which would help for influence.
Also various other stuff I'd add on as essence permits. But they'd essentially remain massive balls of chitin.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 06:47:39 pm
And as it turns out, I might have nothing to do for the evening. Is everyone okay with me drawing all of your characters?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 06:48:41 pm
Okay, change added to the list.Mine would probably too difficult to draw to be worth the effort, so I recommend not bothering (or maybe not? It could actually be pretty easy to draw depending, now that I consider it), but it's not like I'd be actually opposed to you taking a shot at it.
And as it turns out, I might have nothing to do for the evening. Is everyone okay with me drawing all of your characters?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 28, 2015, 06:54:45 pm
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 06:56:49 pm
Free drawings? Go ahead.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 06:57:09 pm
Continuing from where I left off....
So... uh
$$$
How much power/essence would it take to bore a hole through that foggy bulletproof glass so I can get my hands on the sweet sweet mysterious ambient energy magics? I'm assuming power would be valid in the use of creating a permanent hole through the focused application of force?
How much essence to create a conventional sun?
Magic: A majority of Gods agreeing to let magic exist in the universe will poke a pin in the glass without costing any energy. Digging any deeper than that? Only science knows.
Sun: Like the one in Earth's sky, 20-30E (base). This is a super-special discount price for creation only, as millennium will pass in a single tick letting you create solar systems cheaply and easily. Building planetary bodies will be more difficult in the later game for various reasons. You also get a "group discount", if you decide to build an entire solar system at once, thanks to the laws of physics working in your favor. This is the price I decided on without knowing how many people where going to be in the game, and is subject to change based on my fickle wims.
Let's try something different...Spoiler: Character (click to show/hide)I'll come up with a personality later.
Accepted.
Also, the whole council thing of Ye Gods is pretty unappealing to me. We don't have anything like that in Litany right?
We don't have any naturally occurring council. The Gods can create one themselves if they really want to, but one doesn't currently exist. I liked it in Ye Gods, it was something unique about it, though we pretty much stopped using it near the end. In the end, it was something that probably caused an absurd workload that I couldn't handle.
Simple answer: Right, we don't have one.
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There aren't any rules to different gods having the same sphere to the best of my knowledge if you really have your heart set on either magic or engineering.
Correct.
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Hey, you heard Stirk, the mystery magic will be perfectly safe! We can bore it up immediately and become filthy rich magic-oil barons!
((How long until he figures out just how much of a filthy liar I am?))
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Name: Aurosseu, the Keeper of Dreams, the Absolver, Giver of the New Dawn
Spheres: Dreams. Patron of Healing, Peace, Forgiveness, Rest, the Night, Sunrise.
Primary form/associated symbol: To other gods and similar beings, Aurosseu appears as a humanoid figure in a simple all-concealing hooded white robe. Inside the hood, only a dark, starry sky can be seen. To mortals, Aurosseu appears as their sweetest dream; if there are multiple observers, he takes on aspects from the dreams of all of them. His symbol is a rising golden sun behind a silver horizon.
Description/Background: Every morning, in an ideal world, a being wakes up invigorated, with only the joys and successes and none of the sorrows or fears of yesterday. Both old and new challenges await, but with new strength, the being faces them. That is, in an ideal world. In reality, someone has to bring that rest, that vigor, that blank slate. Aurosseu is that someone.
Oh, accepted! Sorry I missed this. I had half~ an hour to wake up, eat, and write what I already wrote.
As I've explained multiple times both IC and OOC, Cim didn't. I am being completely the-game's-already-over honest. I had extrapolated (I didn't even have any hard knowledge) that someone is going to use a WMD and kill everyone, so I sent my troops invisible and intangible to provide magical support against STF, using the later-standardized probability shenanigans (which were also why Cim was winning the snow fight until a certain someone made it a rock fight instead). Cim had nothing to do with the explosion, except noticing a few omens that is was to come.
Oh, I know. I believe you. But if I lie louder then you tell the truth, everyone will believe me and that will be fun.
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Name: Lauxal, Queen of Monsters
Sphere: Primary: Monsters Secondary: Nightmares
Primary form: She appears as a massive giantess with coal black hair, the body of a spider, 9 eyes, bat wings and a massive scorpion tail. However she can also disguise herself as a person`s worst nightmare with ease.
Associated symbol: A silver spider with 9 eyes.
Description/Background: Born in the darkness, she shall spread her children far and wide. The mortals shall fear her arrival, however all monsters shall honor their great queen.
Accepted.
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Name: Lorash
Spheres: Metals and Memories
Primary form: Bulky metal golem engraved with fractal runes.
Associated Symbol: Engraved anvil
Description: Lorash believes in inevitability. No matter what, being is fleeting and all eventually return to void. As such, only the journey matters. Lorash is dedicated to recording said journey, creating eternal record of all that lived.
Accepted. Are you going to get the line out of the way, or let someone steal it from you?
Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?
Hah. KJP kept it up for like a quarter of a year, and if I have one thing it is endura HEY LOOK A SHINEY GUN!
Oh hey, Stirk is online! :)) (Continues stalking favoured gms)
For real this time too! I have been checking up on it on my phone while in the truck, but now I am on something I can use to summon text walls.
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Are you talking about Void magic or just generally attunements like Elemental, Necromancy, Musical, etc.? Or are you referring to how the magic works, what it's affected by, and what its source is?
General mysteriousness. That is it.
((MY GOD THEY KEEP COMING!!!))
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Armor: ? ? ? (Requires research into the nature of Power)
Big Bang Universe: Depends on the size of the universe in question and how many gods participate. It can be anywhere from the small infinity of all the numbers between .1 and .2 or as much as the number of numbers from 1 to 100, a much larger infinity.
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Accepted, with fear of how this will be weaponized and combined in the future.
There's a hard limit of two spheres at the start, Nilva had like five spheres, including literal traps like bear traps last game it was in.
There are currently no plans to increase the number of allowed spheres past 2, if you want to change them this would be the best time.
Don't see any reason not to elaborate some, so would like to note I have rather extensively planned them out.
Assuming no prohibitive essence costs, each of them would have a portal in their center linked to the surface from the sun, where they get all the energy to power them from. Which would help for influence.
Also various other stuff I'd add on as essence permits. But they'd essentially remain massive balls of chitin.
He is kind of right, "Doing nothing but worship" generally decreases worship quality, if it is "forced" on them by their nature rather than a choice. Otherwise, everyone would abuse this to no end.
....Aaaand done.
Post by: micelus on May 28, 2015, 07:06:39 pm
Okay, change added to the list.
And as it turns out, I might have nothing to do for the evening. Is everyone okay with me drawing all of your characters?
Go ahead, although it sounds pointless since my character keeps changing.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:18:06 pm
So I have to throw power at it until I get results? Mkay. Would throwing power at one point in the glass wall stack up over time, that is to say, if I dedicated power over multiple ticks to boring a hole in the glass, would it be slowly filling up some imaginary progress bar until happy funtimes happen? Sort of like repeated hammer strikes to crack that baby open I suppose.So... uh
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How much power/essence would it take to bore a hole through that foggy bulletproof glass so I can get my hands on the sweet sweet mysterious ambient energy magics? I'm assuming power would be valid in the use of creating a permanent hole through the focused application of force?
How much essence to create a conventional sun?
Magic: A majority of Gods agreeing to let magic exist in the universe will poke a pin in the glass without costing any energy. Digging any deeper than that? Only science knows.
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You mean my genius idea to become a filthy rich magic-oil baron may not be foolproof? Say it aint so!QuoteHey, you heard Stirk, the mystery magic will be perfectly safe! We can bore it up immediately and become filthy rich magic-oil barons!
((How long until he figures out just how much of a filthy liar I am?))
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Aw. But I liked my chitinballs. :'( I guess I could give them the capability to dream all the time if they don't feel like worshiping? Also, how drastic a decrease in quality are we talking here? Like "you get half the regular amount of worship power" or "you get a tenth of the regular amount of worship power"Don't see any reason not to elaborate some, so would like to note I have rather extensively planned them out.
Assuming no prohibitive essence costs, each of them would have a portal in their center linked to the surface from the sun, where they get all the energy to power them from. Which would help for influence.
Also various other stuff I'd add on as essence permits. But they'd essentially remain massive balls of chitin.
He is kind of right, "Doing nothing but worship" generally decreases worship quality, if it is "forced" on them by their nature rather than a choice. Otherwise, everyone would abuse this to no end.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 07:19:01 pm
Edit: And are you okay with me doing that character list?
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 07:23:58 pm
Big Bang Universe: Depends on the size of the universe in question and how many gods participate. It can be anywhere from the small infinity of all the numbers between .1 and .2 or as much as the number of numbers from 1 to 100, a much larger infinity.Observable universe, so 6503.88 billion light-years2. 91 billion light-years diameter.
So I have to throw power at it until I get results? Mkay. Would throwing power at one point in the glass wall stack up over time, that is to say, if I dedicated power over multiple ticks to boring a hole in the glass, would it be slowly filling up some imaginary progress bar until happy funtimes happen? Sort of like repeated hammer strikes to crack that baby open I suppose.A drill would be cheaper. With 1E we could make a drill that'll tunnel into the crack until it breaks. It's a lot cheaper than spending X Power for who knows how long.
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Price check on creating an Earth-like world
Price check on creating a Luna-like moon
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:26:55 pm
The power would (probably?) be much faster though. And I don't really have anything else I'm planning to use power for. So I thought I might as well throw all my power at it until something happens.So I have to throw power at it until I get results? Mkay. Would throwing power at one point in the glass wall stack up over time, that is to say, if I dedicated power over multiple ticks to boring a hole in the glass, would it be slowly filling up some imaginary progress bar until happy funtimes happen? Sort of like repeated hammer strikes to crack that baby open I suppose.A drill would be cheaper. With 1E we could make a drill that'll tunnel into the crack until it breaks. It's a lot cheaper than spending X Power for who knows how long.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 07:30:54 pm
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So I have to throw power at it until I get results? Mkay. Would throwing power at one point in the glass wall stack up over time, that is to say, if I dedicated power over multiple ticks to boring a wall, would it be slowly filling up some imaginary progress bar until happy funtimes happen? Sort of like repeated hammer strikes to crack that baby open I suppose.
*Shrugz*
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Aw. But I liked my chitinballs. :'( I guess I could give them the capability to dream all the time if they don't feel like worshiping? Also, how drastic a decrease in quality are we talking here? Like "you get half the regular amount of worship power" or "you get a tenth of the regular amount of worship power"
Worship is a complicated thing that even the Gods do not understand. Generally, genuine worship requires things like building temples, performing ceremonies, and other things you would expect a real-world religion to do for their God. And above all, it involves them dedicating their soul to you. You wouldn't get a hundredth of the worship quality from something that only sits in one place and things "Gee, what a great God I worship!" while doing nothing else. If you could, everyone would just have huge Essence factories ::).
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Observable universe, so 6503.88 billion light-years2. 91 billion light-years diameter.
You missed the joke. It was "It will either cost a small infinity or a large infinity". That would be "Small infinity".
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A drill would be cheaper. With 1E we could make a drill that'll tunnel into the crack until it breaks. It's a lot cheaper than spending X Power for who knows how long.
It is a metaphorical wall :-\.
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Earth-like planet (not including wildlife, capable of sustaining life):20-30E (Variable, for the same reasons as the Sun. Solar system and game beginning discount not counted.)
Earth's-moon-like-moon: 10E (Variable, see above)
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 07:31:39 pm
Free drawings? Go ahead.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:33:40 pm
So that's a yes for using brute power to gradually batter down the metaphorical walls of reality?QuoteA drill would be cheaper. With 1E we could make a drill that'll tunnel into the crack until it breaks. It's a lot cheaper than spending X Power for who knows how long.
It is a metaphorical wall :-\.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 07:34:24 pm
You forgot my character again stirk :c
Edit: And are you okay with me doing that character list?
notice me pls :c. You didn't confirm my character. I posted it right before the post you left before leaving :c
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 07:35:02 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:35:51 pm
Relax Farga, you're on the playerlist on the first page.You forgot my character again stirk :c
Edit: And are you okay with me doing that character list?
notice me pls :c. You didn't confirm my character. I posted it right before the post you left before leaving :c
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 07:38:17 pm
You forgot my character again stirk :c
Edit: And are you okay with me doing that character list?
notice me pls :c. You didn't confirm my character. I posted it right before the post you left before leaving :c
Whooopz. Sorry, you forgot to call me Senpai. Accepted.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 07:39:13 pm
Is it? Oh derpy me XP.Relax Farga, you're on the playerlist on the first page.You forgot my character again stirk :c
Edit: And are you okay with me doing that character list?
notice me pls :c. You didn't confirm my character. I posted it right before the post you left before leaving :c
EDIT: Oh, and as it turns out I'll be quite busy tonight. The drawings will have to wait until tomorrow or this weekend.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 07:39:44 pm
$$$ AnswerIncluding wildlife. It would be a pain and extremely expensive to create every single rabbit, frog, boar, mosquito, mouse, pelican, etc. Also, god DAMN that's expensive! In Ye Gods it was 9-10E.
Earth-like planet (not including wildlife, capable of sustaining life):20-30E (Variable, for the same reasons as the Sun. Solar system and game beginning discount not counted.)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:40:30 pm
Sacrifice some hp like a man!$$$ AnswerIncluding wildlife. It would be a pain and extremely expensive to create every single rabbit, frog, boar, mosquito, mouse, pelican, etc. Also, god DAMN that's expensive! In Ye Gods it was 9-10E.
Earth-like planet (not including wildlife, capable of sustaining life):20-30E (Variable, for the same reasons as the Sun. Solar system and game beginning discount not counted.)
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 07:41:59 pm
$$$ AnswerIncluding wildlife. It would be a pain and extremely expensive to create every single rabbit, frog, boar, mosquito, mouse, pelican, etc. Also, god DAMN that's expensive! In Ye Gods it was 9-10E.
Earth-like planet (not including wildlife, capable of sustaining life):20-30E (Variable, for the same reasons as the Sun. Solar system and game beginning discount not counted.)
Including Earth-like (or otherwise mundane) wildlife:+5E
We have over 14 people (140E total) at the start, and essence isn't the only power. You can also use it all without getting yourself killed. It is supposed to be expensive.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 07:46:01 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:46:45 pm
Okay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what if the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.QuoteAw. But I liked my chitinballs. :'( I guess I could give them the capability to dream all the time if they don't feel like worshiping? Also, how drastic a decrease in quality are we talking here? Like "you get half the regular amount of worship power" or "you get a tenth of the regular amount of worship power"
Worship is a complicated thing that even the Gods do not understand. Generally, genuine worship requires things like building temples, performing ceremonies, and other things you would expect a real-world religion to do for their God. And above all, it involves them dedicating their soul to you. You wouldn't get a hundredth of the worship quality from something that only sits in one place and things "Gee, what a great God I worship!" while doing nothing else. If you could, everyone would just have huge Essence factories ::).
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 07:49:39 pm
Does your character for this have the same personality as Malakath Andres?
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 07:50:37 pm
Is it cheaper to make a nebula with enough mass for a solar system than it is to create a solar system?
Try gaming the system, and you will be shot. >:(.
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Okay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:51:18 pm
...no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 07:55:58 pm
...no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 07:57:21 pm
Pricecheck on creating 10k humans, and to terraform a portion of a planet the general size of France (both prices separated, please)
(And I'm not actually going to make humans, I just need an approximation.)
That and also on creating a small moon about the size of Charon (Pluto's moon IRL)
And finally, I'd like to know the cost of doubling the amount of minerals on a planet assuming it already have the amount you'd expect a earth-like planet to have.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 07:57:44 pm
Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 08:00:11 pm
Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Why not have your worshipers grow them like you'd grow a plant instead? (Think of the mushroom towers in morrowind, except its chitinballs instead)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2015, 08:02:04 pm
It is a metaphorical wall :-\.So you're saying
Just make them your high priests, dedicated to a life of contemplation, worship, and instruction to more traditional races. They'll be your equivalent to wise talking trees.Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Why not have your worshipers grow them like you'd grow a plant instead? (Think of the mushroom towers in morrowind, except its chitinballs instead)
$$$
Price check on gas giants relative to rocky planets.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:05:01 pm
I also considered that, but lone chitinballs drifting about in space just have a certain coolness factor to them.Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Why not have your worshipers grow them like you'd grow a plant instead? (Think of the mushroom towers in morrowind, except its chitinballs instead)
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How much essence to create a moonsized ball of chitin, with a portal in the center to the sun, giving energy for the ball to continue growing. The entire chitinball is riddled with tunnels and caverns.
Just make them your high priests, dedicated to a life of contemplation, worship, and instruction to more traditional races. They'll be your equivalent to wise talking trees....I'm liking wise talking chitinballs rolling around enlightening the lesser races. Be one with the chitin!
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:07:04 pm
Hm.No. She's not starting off the game assimilating angels so expect her to be less Good-aligned. I'm personally expecting her to take a physical role in the wars of my followers as a combatant.
Does your character for this have the same personality as Malakath Andres?
To you it's "gaming the system", to me it's creatively getting around problems. Creatively. Like a god. The plan was to make the nebula and use Power to temporarily increase the effects of gravity. The whole point of the plan is to use the otherwise useless (in this case) Power in the creative process.Is it cheaper to make a nebula with enough mass for a solar system than it is to create a solar system?
Try gaming the system, and you will be shot. >:(.
$$$
Price check on creating a moon-sized space battleship
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 08:07:37 pm
Have a mother chitinball the size of a moon inhabited by it's much smaller offspring. It would be easy enough to move them to other planets afterwards. I imagine that mother chitinball would be some kind of demigod or archangel.I also considered that, but lone chitinballs drifting about in space just have a certain coolness factor to them.Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Why not have your worshipers grow them like you'd grow a plant instead? (Think of the mushroom towers in morrowind, except its chitinballs instead)
$$$
How much essence to create a moonsized ball of chitin, with a portal in the center to the sun, giving energy for the ball to continue growing. The entire chitinball is riddled with tunnels and caverns.Just make them your high priests, dedicated to a life of contemplation, worship, and instruction to more traditional races. They'll be your equivalent to wise talking trees....I'm liking wise talking chitinballs rolling around enlightening the lesser races. Be one with the chitin!
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:09:15 pm
Ooh, I liking this. Chitinballs as ant colonization spaceships!Have a mother chitinball the size of a moon inhabited by it's much smaller offspring. It would be easy enough to move them to other planets afterwards. I imagine that mother chitinball would be some kind of demigod or archangel.I also considered that, but lone chitinballs drifting about in space just have a certain coolness factor to them.Yeah, I guess that was unclear. I had a silly idea to disdain normal planets and instead have massive planet-sized balls of chitin with ants living inside....no chitinball planet-cathedrals? :'(QuoteOkay, I guess I'll abandon the "Chitinballs as worshippers" idea for now, but I still want my chitinballs. So I was thinking, what is the chitinballs were the temples? With smaller symbiotic ant worshippers living in hollowed out areas in the chitin shell.
Maybe. We will see.....The ants would have to at least leave.
No, temples could work, you just have to have "normal" sapient worshipers to go to them :P.
My thoughts go in weird directions sometimes.
Why not have your worshipers grow them like you'd grow a plant instead? (Think of the mushroom towers in morrowind, except its chitinballs instead)
$$$
How much essence to create a moonsized ball of chitin, with a portal in the center to the sun, giving energy for the ball to continue growing. The entire chitinball is riddled with tunnels and caverns.Just make them your high priests, dedicated to a life of contemplation, worship, and instruction to more traditional races. They'll be your equivalent to wise talking trees....I'm liking wise talking chitinballs rolling around enlightening the lesser races. Be one with the chitin!
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:09:41 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 08:12:20 pm
Pricecheck for making complex viruses for a specific species. Such as for example.. A virus that completely shuts down the immune system but otherwise leaves the person perfectly fine?
Pricecheck for making complex single celled life. Like an Amoeba.
Pricecheck for making simple multicellular life. Like a jellyfish?
Pricecheck for making complex nonsapient multicellular life, like a fox?
Pricecheck for uplifting nonsapient multicellular life to sapient? Primates to human level for example?
Pricecheck for making sapient life from scratch? Humans from scratch for example?
Pricecheck for making nonsapient energy beings? Like ghosts for example?
Pricecheck for making sapient energy beings? Like those energy beings from Titan AE (Sapient spacefaring energy creatures.)
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:15:25 pm
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Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:18:24 pm
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Skyrim Dragons.
*sigh*
Couldn't you, like, come up with your own dragons maybe? Like say, they're cannibals, who devour the weakest of their kind as a form of worship. Bam, originality!
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 08:19:25 pm
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:20:45 pm
Trust me, I will. I'm planning to make dragons that I designed back in Ye Gods but wasn't able to implement. I just want to know the base price of making what's pretty much a "stock" dragon in comparison.QuoteSkyrim Dragons.
*sigh*
Couldn't you, like, come up with your own dragons maybe? Like say, they're cannibals, who devour the weakest of their kind as a form of worship. Bam, originality!
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 08:22:26 pm
Since when has that been the case?
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 08:23:31 pm
Skyrim dragons are stock?They're not very strong, they have a breath attack, and they cannot breed. That's stock.
Since when has that been the case?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:23:38 pm
First. That's pointless busywork for the gm. Just come upfront with what you want and work from there to get the costs workable.Trust me, I will. I'm planning to make dragons that I designed back in Ye Gods but wasn't able to implement. I just want to know the base price of making what's pretty much a "stock" dragon in comparison.QuoteSkyrim Dragons.
*sigh*
Couldn't you, like, come up with your own dragons maybe? Like say, they're cannibals, who devour the weakest of their kind as a form of worship. Bam, originality!
Second, Skyrim Dragons are far from standard, being the offspring of the incarnation of time that got resurrected by another dragon shouting loudly at them. Instead of big lizards who breath fire and may or may not be intelligent.
Skyrim dragons are stock?Damn ninjas.
Since when has that been the case?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 08:25:39 pm
Again, since when is that stock?
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:25:54 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 28, 2015, 08:26:47 pm
By "stock dragon" I just meant "big flying lizards that breathe fire". I don't know anything about their lore in TES. You're right about the pointless busywork, though. I'll remove that from the list and look for my actual design.Then why not say "big flying lizards that breathe fire" instead of "skyrim dragons"?!
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:27:53 pm
Less words+not knowing they're not stock dragons=fault in judgement.By "stock dragon" I just meant "big flying lizards that breathe fire". I don't know anything about their lore in TES. You're right about the pointless busywork, though. I'll remove that from the list and look for my actual design.Then why not say "big flying lizards that breathe fire" instead of "skyrim dragons"?!
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 08:28:53 pm
Indeed, dragons alone has a hundred little connotations and implications that crop up when you use it. Skyrim dragons makes it incredibly specific.By "stock dragon" I just meant "big flying lizards that breathe fire". I don't know anything about their lore in TES. You're right about the pointless busywork, though. I'll remove that from the list and look for my actual design.Then why not say "big flying lizards that breathe fire" instead of "skyrim dragons"?!
If you don't know what they are in full, why use them as the example...
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 08:30:01 pm
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:32:32 pm
Price check on creating 3k semi-isolationist, amphibious, five-headed hydras (grows heads as they lose them but no extra heads) that live ~550 years, are above-average when it comes to dragon intelligence, and are really into magitech.
Post by: Ama on May 28, 2015, 08:44:01 pm
Price check to create shadow Kobolds able to sneak through dreams
Price check to create Lizard Men necromancers that inhabit the bottom of lakes
Price check to create Night Mares, shadowy evil horses that travel through people`s dreams
Price check to create a sapient giant moth that shoot lasers from its eyes
Price check to create a sapient bear/snake mega beast
Price check to create a sapient giant fire breathing lizard
Price check to create a race of sapient fire breathing spiders
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 08:51:51 pm
Price check on populating a small to medium sized planet with a sizable amount of flora and fauna that have no upper size limit; their physiology will change as they increase in size in order to support them. Obviously, eventually growth will taper off, and growth would only really occur when there's plenty of easy food around to support their increased size, but...
And on creating a sentient race of 'plant-people'.
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 08:52:56 pm
Pricecheck on creating a single ManBearPig.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 08:53:52 pm
$$$Vetovetovetovetoveto
Pricecheck on creating a single ManBearPig.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 08:54:17 pm
Price check to create Lizard Men with a deep empathic connection to other Lizard Men, strengthened by blood ties.
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 08:55:05 pm
Actually.
$$$
Are larger quantities of things sold at a discount?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 08:57:50 pm
$$$Oh right this reminds me.
Price check to create Lizard Men with a deep empathic connection to other Lizard Men, strengthened by blood ties.
We certainly could work together, this time around. I don't know how closely tied our spheres are, but it may not matter.
I certainly plan on creating a large tree for a place to live, so that could be a home to people's shit if they want. Should provide protection and ecosystem and all.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2015, 08:58:39 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 09:00:36 pm
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 09:02:18 pm
Just out of curiosity, why's everyone pricechecking hyper-weird, specific things before the game's even started? I get the more conceptual or foundation stuff, but a lot of these things don't seem like stuff you're especially likely to get around to ever, much less need to know right now.The first sapient species to be created in Ye Gods was made in Tick 4. Many of the things we plan to make could be created within the week.
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 09:06:11 pm
Your primary sphere is Growth right?$$$Oh right this reminds me.
Price check to create Lizard Men with a deep empathic connection to other Lizard Men, strengthened by blood ties.
We certainly could work together, this time around. I don't know how closely tied our spheres are, but it may not matter.
I certainly plan on creating a large tree for a place to live, so that could be a home to people's shit if they want. Should provide protection and ecosystem and all.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 09:07:07 pm
$$$
Pricecheck on creating 10k humans, and to terraform a portion of a planet the general size of France (both prices separated, please)
(And I'm not actually going to make humans, I just need an approximation.)
That and also on creating a small moon about the size of Charon (Pluto's moon IRL)
And finally, I'd like to know the cost of doubling the amount of minerals on a planet assuming it already have the amount you'd expect a earth-like planet to have.
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10K human-like: 5E. Note that, unlike normal Ye Gods, it is NOT quadratic and is subject to change.
Terraforming: Depends on what you want to terraform it to. Semi-plausable terraforming is free with the planet.
Charon Moon (~750 Miles or the size of the Virgin islands in diameter): 3E at Creation (subject to same bonuses as other planetary bodies)
Doubling Earth's amount of available useful minerals: 4E~(Random addition) during creation, added to planet's cost and thus effected by the same bonuses as the host planet. For *most* intents and purposes, the amount of minerals on a planet is infinite, this would only make it easier for Mortals to use.
Rocky Planets VS Gas Giants: Functionally the same at Creation, due to the similar cause of creation. An average sized habitable Gas Giant costs the same as an Earth-like planet.
Growing Chitin Moon: 7-10E at Creation. 13-15E to give it the ability to sustain life.
Moon-sized battleship: Depends on capabilities. Simply an empty shell the shape of the moon costs the same shape of the moon.
Virus: ~2P,4E (May very depending on factors such as spreading, what it inflicts, etc)
Amoeba (mundane): Free if included in "Wildlife" at Creation. Otherwise, 1E for a large amount of mundane amoeba, free if small amount that doesn't effect anything.
Jellyfish (mundane): See Amoeba, replacing "amoeba" with jellyfish.
Fox (mundane): See Jellyfish, replacing jellyfish with fox.
Uplifting: The price it would take to make them sapient in the first place. Assuming mundane wildlife: ~3E for 10K. Does not include things like human level intelligence, may be effected by your sphere if a Wolf.
Scratch humans: 5E for 10K
Ghosts: Variable depending on what the effects of being an "Energy Being" are. Generally adds 2E to 3E
Sapient Energy Beings: Depends on what these abilities entail. Generally adds 3E to 4E.
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I'll consider this to be....permission.
You shouldn't have :'(. This is probably a good time to remind you that this game still has the Captain Estraz rule in effect (I like that rule.), and I will probably charge more for using old ideas from the old Ye Gods. For anything more complicated than "Human", it is best to have a description of anything additional it has over "normal" creatures. I can't take a single reference and give an accurate account.
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Is there a discount when propagating a race over creating a race like Ye Gods used to have? Is creature creation logarithmic or something similar? (i.e. 10k humans is 5E, 100k humans is 6E.)
No, propagating involves directly creating the souls, which is the hard part. It is possible to expand the population for cheaper then it would cost to simply create more, but you will have to be more creative then just saying "I spend E to propagate!!". The scale is linear, 5E gets you 10K humans, 1E gets you~2k, 10E gets you 20k.
Hydras: Sentient? Sapient? Empty shells?
((Great! Now I will post! *New pricecheck* DANGIT!))
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Shadow Kobolds: 7E for 10K
Lizard Men Necromancers: 6E for 10K (Need to invent necromancy first, may cost more to give them advantage.)
Night Mares: 2E for 10K
(I am a bit confused over the change from plural to singular. Ill still will assume that you are making one with more powerful abilities and an extended lifespan.)
Giant Moth: ~6E
Bear/snake: ~3E
Fire Breathing Sapient: ~4E
Fire Breathing Spiders: 7E for 10K
Normal-ish planets: Free with habitable planet. Strange growth cycles do not effect their "mundane" status. Free for small amount later, 1E for large ammount.
Plant people: 5E for 10K assuming normal human but plant. More to add or subtract from there, depending on any abilities or hindrances they have.
WTH is a "manbearpig"?
Lizard Men with Empathy: 6E for 10K
Bulk discount: No, it is a linear increase unless there is a reason it should not be.
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Just out of curiosity, why's everyone pricechecking hyper-weird, specific things before the game's even started? I get the more conceptual or foundation stuff, but a lot of these things don't seem like stuff you're especially likely to get around to ever, much less need to know right now.
They are trying to win their bets involving how fast I will quit doing daily updates. :-\
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 09:13:35 pm
$$$
How about growing a tree (since I figure with my domain of growth that should cost me marginally less, and be more in keeping with my theme, than just making it pop out of nowhere) to be several hundred meters thick at the base, 3000 meters tall in total, and with massive branch system that spreads for several dozen kilometers in diameter total, capable of supporting ecosystems and blah within it's branches? Being able to support it's weight &etc.
And what would allowing it to continue growing at the rate of about 1% per decade cost?
Post by: ~Neri on May 28, 2015, 09:14:07 pm
Post by: Vgray on May 28, 2015, 09:23:35 pm
More so than other gods I mean, due to influence.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 09:24:56 pm
Moon-sized battleship: Depends on capabilities. Simply an empty shell the shape of the moon costs the same shape of the moon.It has the capabilities that you would expect a battleship would have if it was made to be used in space: guns, life support, a factory for repairs, AI, and a hangar for smaller ships.
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Price check if it had FTL
Price check if it had FTL and a WMG
Hydras: Sentient? Sapient? Empty shells?Sapient.
I'll make a shorter list based on your new rules, though I never actually had a chance to create Daemonkind so I'm wondering if that falls under the Old Ye Gods rule. Planes/dimensions seems as ubiquitous as humans (who aren't getting hit with the OYG rule), the adamantine is a brand-new idea, and the 1-10G humans is pretty basic.
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Price check on creating 1k Daemons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5974543#msg5974543)
Price check on creating a personal dimension
Price check on creating a new plane in that dimension
Price check on creating adamantine that only works in the hands of primary believers
Price check on creating 10k humans strong enough to survive ~1-10G
Five things to price check isn't too much, is it?
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2015, 09:28:07 pm
Maybe you should come up with some guidelines and then force everyone to gamble on it working out? I can't imagine this will ever end.QuoteJust out of curiosity, why's everyone pricechecking hyper-weird, specific things before the game's even started? I get the more conceptual or foundation stuff, but a lot of these things don't seem like stuff you're especially likely to get around to ever, much less need to know right now.
They are trying to win their bets involving how fast I will quit doing daily updates. :-\
Abstracting out a lot of the precise numbers (750 miles, 10k individuals) might help too. Arbitrary size/quantity categories ("It's a BIG planet!" "There's a FEW lizardfolk!") or just going to arbitrary tokens/units ("This planet has four tiles!" "You have two lizardfolk counters!") might help as well.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 09:51:58 pm
Hey Geek. Isn't mortal reproduction in both our best interests?Eh yeah, probably. Thought Life/Death might like it quite a bit. What with Mortals, and Reproducing.
More so than other gods I mean, due to influence.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 28, 2015, 10:03:04 pm
Hey Geek. Isn't mortal reproduction in both our best interests?Eh yeah, probably. Thought Life/Death might like it quite a bit. What with Mortals, and Reproducing.
More so than other gods I mean, due to influence.
That something I'm going to go with too, since extending lifespan definitively counts as progress.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 10:17:20 pm
Maybe a little, but it feels a bit harder to make the relationship between the two than it does for Life/Death or Growth.
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 10:19:40 pm
Big tree: 2-3E no growth, 2-4E with growth
ManBearPig is exactly what it sounds like.
Well, what does a ManBearPig sound like? Does it combine all three sounds?
FTL moon: Full truck load of what?
FTL+WMG moon: Still depends on what the full truck load is. Wild Mass Guessing is free.
Daemons seem to be based mainly on Ye Gods magic system. As we don't currently have any sort of active magic system, let alone one having anything to do with the soul, the design is currently unworkable. The rest will depend on the magic system, including cost.
Adamantine Metal (At Creation): 3-5E
High-Gravity humans: 6-7E. (Doesn't increase strength in normal gravity.)
Planes: (? ? ?)
And you can't count to five ::).
Maybe you should come up with some guidelines and then force everyone to gamble on it working out? I can't imagine this will ever end.QuoteJust out of curiosity, why's everyone pricechecking hyper-weird, specific things before the game's even started? I get the more conceptual or foundation stuff, but a lot of these things don't seem like stuff you're especially likely to get around to ever, much less need to know right now.
They are trying to win their bets involving how fast I will quit doing daily updates. :-\
Abstracting out a lot of the precise numbers (750 miles, 10k individuals) might help too. Arbitrary size/quantity categories ("It's a BIG planet!" "There's a FEW lizardfolk!") or just going to arbitrary tokens/units ("This planet has four tiles!" "You have two lizardfolk counters!") might help as well.
That is probably a good idea. I *hope* now that I have a big one out people won't have to ask me for a standard one again. I was mainly annoyed with the fact they where price checking faster then I could answer :P. If it ends up being a problem I will do something to fix it.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 28, 2015, 10:22:53 pm
When do you plan on starting, Stirk?
Post by: Stirk on May 28, 2015, 10:24:38 pm
(1 day. 182 posts ??? :o)
Post by: IronyOwl on May 28, 2015, 10:46:48 pm
(1 day. 182 posts ??? :o)Hahahahahahaha you're doomed.
Post by: Andres on May 28, 2015, 10:59:20 pm
FTL moon: Full truck load of what?FTL=Faster Than Light. I'm talking about an FTL drive. As in, how much would the battleship cost if it had an FTL drive?
FTL+WMG moon: Still depends on what the full truck load is. Wild Mass Guessing is free.
And you can't count to five ::).
WMG=Wave Motion Gun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaveMotionGun)
I put in the battleship stuff after the five price checks placed after it. I forgot to get rid of the "it's five price checks" bit.
Can magical creatures be created in an otherwise non-magical world? If no-one created a system of magic and the magic barrier was still there, could I create fairies, for example?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 29, 2015, 12:04:43 am
Since I'm the god of Growth, will investments and the like, 'planting seeds' with Essence (and mebbe speeding up the Growth with Power) and letting them take time to grow, etc. etc. be possible/cheaper/easier/faster/not considered gaming the system? I can see it as being considered that in other cases, but...I prefer a slow approach, and if I can pay less by taking more time, that would certainly be nice?
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 12:19:41 am
Oh, quick question(s?) that I don't want to bother you a PM for, Stirk.Isn't that pretty much the same as my nebula idea?
Since I'm the god of Growth, will investments and the like, 'planting seeds' with Essence (and mebbe speeding up the Growth with Power) and letting them take time to grow, etc. etc. be possible/cheaper/easier/faster/not considered gaming the system? I can see it as being considered that in other cases, but...I prefer a slow approach, and if I can pay less by taking more time, that would certainly be nice?
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 29, 2015, 01:06:14 am
Spoiler: Relations diagram (click to show/hide)
Cim's usually fairly good at these predictions.Thanks, but I'm not playing Cim right now. I'm flattered that I apparently did such a good job playing it, people can't tell the difference between me and it. Maybe I'll have to return to playing Cim in a later god game.
Oh, I know. I believe you. But if I lie louder then you tell the truth, everyone will believe me and that will be fun.May I sig this?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 01:17:33 am
Would anyone be interested in co-operating on creating a chitin moon capable of sustaining life? You could have your own creatures living in it as well if you like.
Okay these should be the last pricechecks I make for ~about half a week probably?
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Creating a magic for constructing permanent portals & summoning up temporary portals (gogo double sphere discount?)
Making sapient ants, that are the size of ants, capable of using portal magic. Let's say about a thousand? They'll reproduce naturally over time, increasing their numbers right?
Adding the capability to provide food for the ants to the Chitin Moon. I was thinking some sort of nectar dispensing portals. (Could this actually be included in the essence costs of "able to sustain life?".)
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 01:33:40 am
Wow, I didn't even notice that the name he called you was wrong. I myself just thought of you as 'Cim'.Cim's usually fairly good at these predictions.Thanks, but I'm not playing Cim right now. I'm flattered that I apparently did such a good job playing it, people can't tell the difference between me and it. Maybe I'll have to return to playing Cim in a later god game.
This is pretty cool. I haven't reviewed all the relationships and I don't intend to do so, but a lot of gods aren't linked by lines, even by yellow Neutral lines. How come? Also, is the relationship between Mavnon and Uztot based on what was said on this thread? I don't see how their spheres couldn't coexist with one-another. Mavnon's deals could be signed in blood. Kinship can overlap with conflict in the form of battle-brothers or avenging a fallen family-member (swinging back into blood oaths.) There's also the obvious crossover between blood and conflict but that doesn't need mentioning, I think.Spoiler: Relations diagram (click to show/hide)
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 01:35:14 am
Post by: micelus on May 29, 2015, 01:41:03 am
Wow, I didn't even notice that the name he called you was wrong. I myself just thought of you as 'Cim'.Cim's usually fairly good at these predictions.Thanks, but I'm not playing Cim right now. I'm flattered that I apparently did such a good job playing it, people can't tell the difference between me and it. Maybe I'll have to return to playing Cim in a later god game.This is pretty cool. I haven't reviewed all the relationships and I don't intend to do so, but a lot of gods aren't linked by lines, even by yellow Neutral lines. How come? Also, is the relationship between Mavnon and Uztot based on what was said on this thread? I don't see how their spheres couldn't coexist with one-another. Mavnon's deals could be signed in blood and kinship can overlap with conflict in the form of battle-brothers or avenging a fallen family-member (swinging back into blood oaths.) There's also the obvious crossover between blood and conflict but that doesn't need mentioning, I think.Spoiler: Relations diagram (click to show/hide)
Ehh, we won't really know until the game starts. After looking at everyone's sheets, the only deity Mavnon would hate on principle would be Izgamlo not because of his spheres or personality, but that he plans to unleash an unknown threat onto the universe. That would be utter stupidity from Mavnon's view and worthy of death. If he didn't do that though, Mavnon has no problems with him.
Ooh and in Mavnon's view, Alicia is simply naive. She doesn't hate her, but actually pities her. Lorash would be considered cynical and somewhat disliked on a personal basis by Mavnon.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 01:43:23 am
Neutral is no line. Yellow is opponent.Brain mixed them up. Thanks.
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Ehh, we won't really know until the game starts. After looking at everyone's sheets, the only deity Mavnon would hate on principle would be Izgamlo not because of his spheres or personality, but that he plans to unleash an unknown threat onto the universe. That would be utter stupidity from Mavnon's view and worthy of death. If he didn't do that though, Mavnon has no problems with him.Looking at Izgamlo's sheet, Iliseth would dislike him for his plan to turn all of existence into the Warp.
Post by: Vgray on May 29, 2015, 01:57:37 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 01:59:14 am
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 02:01:16 am
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 02:11:12 am
Nilva wouldn't really mind it but wouldn't really support it. Although it would definitely oppose if the warping started causing widespread death.Considering that most of the universe is Void, the odds of taking a single step and not ending up in space would be extremely low, I would think.
Speaking of gods and void, if the gods decided to create a council, would the council's proposals have more weight than individual gods, as in Ye Gods? Would a council of 14 gods approving a proposal to make a planet do so with less Essence cost than just 14 gods agreeing to do it together? If they created a metal resistant to damage, would the metal be more durable if it was passed by a proposal?
Post by: IronyOwl on May 29, 2015, 02:15:12 am
Bah, you lot just lack vision!Hey, that's my mortal followers' line!
Speaking of which, anyone want to start in on the long and futile process of trying to work together now?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:18:05 am
Yup! We should co-operate to make suns and chitin moons!Bah, you lot just lack vision!Hey, that's my mortal followers' line!
Speaking of which, anyone want to start in on the long and futile process of trying to work together now?
Hah? I meant space as in "time and space" & "three dimensional space", not "outer space"Nilva wouldn't really mind it but wouldn't really support it. Although it would definitely oppose if the warping started causing widespread death.Considering that most of the universe is Void, the odds of taking a single step and not ending up in space would be extremely low, I would think.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 02:19:29 am
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 02:21:14 am
Hah? I meant space as in "time and space" & "three dimensional space", not "outer space"Nilva wouldn't really mind it but wouldn't really support it. Although it would definitely oppose if the warping started causing widespread death.Considering that most of the universe is Void, the odds of taking a single step and not ending up in space would be extremely low, I would think.
Izgamlo wishes to bend and warp space like one would mould clay into a work of art, riddling it with portals, making movement unpredictable.So not only do you want to make the odds of walking to the grocery store near-impossible, it could take a literally infinite amount of time to do so? Mate, I'm gonna have to confiscate your shovel cos you're just digging yourself deeper.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:23:38 am
No? I'm not going to warp time. I was using the term "time and space", to indicate I was talking about the definition of space usually associated with that phrase.Hah? I meant space as in "time and space" & "three dimensional space", not "outer space"Nilva wouldn't really mind it but wouldn't really support it. Although it would definitely oppose if the warping started causing widespread death.Considering that most of the universe is Void, the odds of taking a single step and not ending up in space would be extremely low, I would think.Izgamlo wishes to bend and warp space like one would mould clay into a work of art, riddling it with portals, making movement unpredictable.So not only do you want to make the odds of walking to the grocery store near-impossible, it could take a literally infinite amount of time to do so? Mate, I'm gonna have to confiscate your shovel cos you're just digging yourself deeper.
SPACE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space)
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 02:26:00 am
No? I'm not going to warp time. I was using the term "time and space", to indicate I was talking about the definition of space usually associated with that phrase.My bad.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 29, 2015, 02:30:35 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:32:54 am
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on May 29, 2015, 02:38:50 am
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 02:41:32 am
P sure you can still apply.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 29, 2015, 02:42:06 am
Yup! We should co-operate to make suns and chitin moons!And the politics begin.
"These thousandfold chitin moons are essential to galactic wellbeing, and I will not tolerate efforts by a small sect of traitors to undermine their continued construction!"
So long as Nilva isn't barred from doing/offering certain things and doesn't have followers attacked, It would be perfectly fine with cooperating~Well that's great but holy crap you are going to have difficulty offering anything sphere-related to the procedure.
Are we going to co-operate to make a solar system? Because apparently making the complete package of sun + planets + moons give a significant discount.This is a pretty good point, and I guess a good reason to figure out if/how/who's cooperating with/on what. Assuming we want traditional star systems, of course; there might or might not be anything stopping us from making cube worlds orbited by their own personal ministars that are actually golden palaces filled with exotic fish.
So on that note, anyone know what they want to do? I was leaning towards trying to figure out semicoherent pantheons for each world/project/whatever, but there's infinite ways to do this.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 29, 2015, 02:44:46 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:47:31 am
The thounsandfold chitin moons are essential to galactic well being! They provide a important element of Feng Shui! :))Yup! We should co-operate to make suns and chitin moons!And the politics begin.
"These thousandfold chitin moons are essential to galactic wellbeing, and I will not tolerate efforts by a small sect of traitors to undermine their continued construction!"
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If someone comes up with an idea for an unconventional solar system that I like, I'd be willing to provide support in creating it, but beyond chitin moons I have no such ideas myself currently.Are we going to co-operate to make a solar system? Because apparently making the complete package of sun + planets + moons give a significant discount.This is a pretty good point, and I guess a good reason to figure out if/how/who's cooperating with/on what. Assuming we want traditional star systems, of course; there might or might not be anything stopping us from making cube worlds orbited by their own personal ministars that are actually golden palaces filled with exotic fish.
So on that note, anyone know what they want to do? I was leaning towards trying to figure out semicoherent pantheons for each world/project/whatever, but there's infinite ways to do this.
Note: I'm not going to join any plan or pact OOC, especially when the game hasn't even started yet. If you want Aurosseu to help you with something, you'll have to convince him, not me. I'm also open for PM's both Ic and OOC, or even completely unrelated matters, if anyone wants sneaky conversation with me or Aurosseu. I have quite a bit of experience in sneaky plays in god games (this you can thank Cim on), so don't be afraid to ask me for advice.Fair enough. I just thought it might be good to get some groundwork so we could hit the ground running as it were when the game starts.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 02:49:00 am
I have... Plans.Yup! We should co-operate to make suns and chitin moons!And the politics begin.
"These thousandfold chitin moons are essential to galactic wellbeing, and I will not tolerate efforts by a small sect of traitors to undermine their continued construction!"So long as Nilva isn't barred from doing/offering certain things and doesn't have followers attacked, It would be perfectly fine with cooperating~Well that's great but holy crap you are going to have difficulty offering anything sphere-related to the procedure.Are we going to co-operate to make a solar system? Because apparently making the complete package of sun + planets + moons give a significant discount.This is a pretty good point, and I guess a good reason to figure out if/how/who's cooperating with/on what. Assuming we want traditional star systems, of course; there might or might not be anything stopping us from making cube worlds orbited by their own personal ministars that are actually golden palaces filled with exotic fish.
So on that note, anyone know what they want to do? I was leaning towards trying to figure out semicoherent pantheons for each world/project/whatever, but there's infinite ways to do this.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:50:05 am
Plans related to making unconventional solar systems or just general plans?I have... Plans.Yup! We should co-operate to make suns and chitin moons!And the politics begin.
"These thousandfold chitin moons are essential to galactic wellbeing, and I will not tolerate efforts by a small sect of traitors to undermine their continued construction!"So long as Nilva isn't barred from doing/offering certain things and doesn't have followers attacked, It would be perfectly fine with cooperating~Well that's great but holy crap you are going to have difficulty offering anything sphere-related to the procedure.Are we going to co-operate to make a solar system? Because apparently making the complete package of sun + planets + moons give a significant discount.This is a pretty good point, and I guess a good reason to figure out if/how/who's cooperating with/on what. Assuming we want traditional star systems, of course; there might or might not be anything stopping us from making cube worlds orbited by their own personal ministars that are actually golden palaces filled with exotic fish.
So on that note, anyone know what they want to do? I was leaning towards trying to figure out semicoherent pantheons for each world/project/whatever, but there's infinite ways to do this.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 02:52:34 am
I have... Plans.I think I can guess what those plans are.
I wish kevak was king of the world.
.... You've doomed us all. Granted. Everyone that is not a trap is executed. Random sci-fi nonsense is required to be taught in schools.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 29, 2015, 02:52:48 am
Price check on creating an endless, earthlike planet, that generates new terrain when discovered by sapients.
Price check on creating a muse, which is basically an angel that helps, fights and heals with music.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 02:53:48 am
So just general plans.
Actually it's arguably worse and arguably better. You'll see~I have... Plans.I think I can guess what those plans are.I wish kevak was king of the world..... You've doomed us all. Granted. Everyone that is not a trap is executed. Random sci-fi nonsense is required to be taught in schools.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 02:54:45 am
€€€Pretty sure that's one is going to get you a "infinity essence" answer like big bang universe.
Price check on creating an endless, earthlike planet, that generates new terrain when discovered by sapients.
Post by: micelus on May 29, 2015, 02:57:34 am
I'm gonna let you people do the solarsystemy thing. Don't exactly have spheres for it.
So just general plans.Actually it's arguably worse and arguably better. You'll see~I have... Plans.I think I can guess what those plans are.I wish kevak was king of the world..... You've doomed us all. Granted. Everyone that is not a trap is executed. Random sci-fi nonsense is required to be taught in schools.
Sure you do. Wolves. The planet is a dish on a wolf's back. Ez.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 03:01:50 am
I'm gonna let you people do the solarsystemy thing. Don't exactly have spheres for it.Spheres aren't as relevant in Ye Gods as they are in Kalpa. It only subtracts like 3E from a 10E project if you have the right sphere. In old Ye Gods, I could make a moon-sized space battleship for a mere 8E (normal moon was 6E) and that was for both a Humans/Ambitions god and a Souls/Blood goddess.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on May 29, 2015, 03:03:07 am
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Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 03:04:28 am
Post by: micelus on May 29, 2015, 03:07:46 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 29, 2015, 03:09:40 am
Yeah, this. Other than being slightly more authentic, I'm not sure I see the point in deferring everything until game start.Note: I'm not going to join any plan or pact OOC, especially when the game hasn't even started yet. If you want Aurosseu to help you with something, you'll have to convince him, not me. I'm also open for PM's both Ic and OOC, or even completely unrelated matters, if anyone wants sneaky conversation with me or Aurosseu. I have quite a bit of experience in sneaky plays in god games (this you can thank Cim on), so don't be afraid to ask me for advice.Fair enough. I just thought it might be good to get some groundwork so we could hit the ground running as it were when the game starts.
I'm gonna let you people do the solarsystemy thing. Don't exactly have spheres for it.I should probably point out that by the system of brutal fiefdoms I'm advocating, such vagrancy and unsolicited alterations of others' property would be grounds for... I dunno, having a space kraken made to keep you away, or something. A very obviously and unambiguously female space kraken.
So just general plans.
Actually it's arguably worse and arguably better. You'll see~
Probably, but I'm gonna laugh if it's feasible to make Minecraftia.€€€Pretty sure that's one is going to get you a "infinity essence" answer like big bang universe.
Price check on creating an endless, earthlike planet, that generates new terrain when discovered by sapients.
...I have no idea what your god actually wants HissingWalnuts. ???To be fair, that's true for me of half the gods here.
That was a problem too in the first Kalpa. It's something to do with heat...and stuff.Eh? What was a problem?
Post by: micelus on May 29, 2015, 03:11:48 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 03:14:37 am
Yeah, but Liram seems to hit a new level of vagueness or something....I have no idea what your god actually wants HissingWalnuts. ???To be fair, that's true for me of half the gods here.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 03:19:09 am
First of all, I call BS on it costing infinity Essence since the universe I asked for was finite. :P Secondly, the trick is to make a race of beings that generate new terrain as they explore.€€€Pretty sure that's one is going to get you a "infinity essence" answer like big bang universe.
Price check on creating an endless, earthlike planet, that generates new terrain when discovered by sapients.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 03:24:06 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 29, 2015, 03:38:15 am
Also, ammount of numbers between 0.1 and 0.2 is entirely equal to the ammount of numbers between 1 and 100.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 03:44:34 am
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 03:50:44 am
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Post by: DreamerGhost on May 29, 2015, 04:10:17 am
What exactly should be Up though?
Stars and space. Unreachable stars and infinite space.
Eddit: So Baldreale was "gifted" a place among gods?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on May 29, 2015, 04:11:55 am
As for Lirams sphere... Motion in general, be it heat, flying birds, or orbits of planets. This would probably cause fairly low income, as it is quite vague, but could give a decent payout if space gets clusterfucked with many objects.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 04:13:58 am
Say, you wouldn't happen to have a version of that diagram without the lines?Spoiler: Relations diagram (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 04:14:58 am
Eddit: So Baldreale was "gifted" a place among gods?Of course! He managed to kill an entire half of a space marine chapter by himself, after all!
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 29, 2015, 04:35:33 am
Fairly certain that there were some of my necrons involved there somwhere, but Indric gets the full credit for the kills. Few would had been able to keep Space marines from retreating like he did.Eddit: So Baldreale was "gifted" a place among gods?Of course! He managed to kill an entire half of a space marine chapter by himself, after all!
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 05:21:08 am
What about soulless creatures, e.g. golems of some sort?QuoteIs there a discount when propagating a race over creating a race like Ye Gods used to have? Is creature creation logarithmic or something similar? (i.e. 10k humans is 5E, 100k humans is 6E.)
No, propagating involves directly creating the souls, which is the hard part. It is possible to expand the population for cheaper then it would cost to simply create more, but you will have to be more creative then just saying "I spend E to propagate!!". The scale is linear, 5E gets you 10K humans, 1E gets you~2k, 10E gets you 20k.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 05:22:21 am
The reason I made a big deal over it in Kapla is due to the uniqueness of that setting and how out of context it would be. I mean, there are literally no animals in the setting excluding the Starborn. Everything mobile is either a robot, a stone golem thing, plant, or living crystal.
This setting doesn't have anything pre established, so I'm expecting a clusterfuck.
Oh, Demonic Spoon.
I has an idea for how an infinitely expanding area can fit into a noninfinite area, prolly something that would be a good joint project. Will give details when we start.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 05:25:00 am
To be honest, I'm expecting someone to make humans in this.By someone, do you mean Andres? I've been getting the impression he likes making humans.
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Oh, Demonic Spoon.I'm guessing it will involve messing around with space, portals or magic? I'd be interested if that were so.
I has an idea for how an infinitely expanding area can fit into a noninfinite area, prolly something that would be a good joint project. Will give details when we start.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 29, 2015, 05:29:57 am
Say, you wouldn't happen to have a version of that diagram without the lines?As a matter of fact, yes. I'll PM it to you once I get on my main desktop. I might update it to include the newest gods first, though.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 05:48:42 am
The first one and some of the third one. Maybe a lil of the second one in certain cases.To be honest, I'm expecting someone to make humans in this.By someone, do you mean Andres? I've been getting the impression he likes making humans.QuoteOh, Demonic Spoon.I'm guessing it will involve messing around with space, portals or magic? I'd be interested if that were so.
I has an idea for how an infinitely expanding area can fit into a noninfinite area, prolly something that would be a good joint project. Will give details when we start.
Why not plop it in the thread? I'll prolly have use of it.Say, you wouldn't happen to have a version of that diagram without the lines?As a matter of fact, yes. I'll PM it to you once I get on my main desktop. I might update it to include the newest gods first, though.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 06:21:15 am
To be honest, I'm expecting someone to make humans in this.Yo.
Kevak's "thing" is traps and kitsune, Stirk's is guns, mine is humans.To be honest, I'm expecting someone to make humans in this.By someone, do you mean Andres? I've been getting the impression he likes making humans.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 29, 2015, 06:50:08 am
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 08:33:58 am
FTL moon: Full truck load of what?FTL=Faster Than Light. I'm talking about an FTL drive. As in, how much would the battleship cost if it had an FTL drive?
FTL+WMG moon: Still depends on what the full truck load is. Wild Mass Guessing is free.
And you can't count to five ::).
WMG=Wave Motion Gun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaveMotionGun)
I put in the battleship stuff after the five price checks placed after it. I forgot to get rid of the "it's five price checks" bit.
Can magical creatures be created in an otherwise non-magical world? If no-one created a system of magic and the magic barrier was still there, could I create fairies, for example?
I know what you meant ::). I can't give you a decent pricecheck if you don't give me a better idea of what you want.
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Engine capable of moving moon sized object with a "DON'T THINK ABOUT IT TOO HARD" drive: 10+E
WMG: Far to variable for me to be able to give an accurate number :-\.
Magic creatures: Magic here either refers to the mysterious system or God built systems that allow mortals to access powers that generally work around known physics. "Magical" creatures, as in creatures that only exist in fantasy in our world, can exist no problem. Creatures may also have abilities given to them that do not rely on magic.
Oh, quick question(s?) that I don't want to bother you a PM for, Stirk.
Since I'm the god of Growth, will investments and the like, 'planting seeds' with Essence (and mebbe speeding up the Growth with Power) and letting them take time to grow, etc. etc. be possible/cheaper/easier/faster/not considered gaming the system? I can see it as being considered that in other cases, but...I prefer a slow approach, and if I can pay less by taking more time, that would certainly be nice?
It is possible. I may do something like dole out the payment over time, with a small chance of a discount. For many things, a disadvantage reduces the price. Something like "Takes 4 turns to fully grow" counts as a disadvantage.
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Portal Magic: Variable, depending on things like the strength of the magic, easy of access, and power source. Making an average-sphere discounted magic powered by Essence: ~4-7E
Ants:3E for 10k, assuming above ant intelligence and general ant powers in all skills and magic affinity . So 1E gets you 3.3K. Once a magic system is created, is is available to all magic-capable mortals unless otherwise specified. They do grow and expand on their own.
Food: It would generally be considered a food bearing plant, which would be free to add at Creation.
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Speaking of gods and void, if the gods decided to create a council, would the council's proposals have more weight than individual gods, as in Ye Gods? Would a council of 14 gods approving a proposal to make a planet do so with less Essence cost than just 14 gods agreeing to do it together? If they created a metal resistant to damage, would the metal be more durable if it was passed by a proposal?
It would depend on the form of Council created, how powerful the Council was, and other factors.
Wait is it too late to apply?
No. Go ahead and apply.
€€€FORIGN CURRANCY PRICCCE CEHCK
Unending world: Depends on mechanism. Probably infinity if attempted directly.
Ye-Gods Angel Template Angel with Music abilities: 4-7 E including sphere discount
Welp, that's good. I need to dust off the god, and do him properly anyways.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Accepted.
I could be down for an infinitely generating world. With some parts that are so wild and lawless that not even physics laws apply there.
Also, ammount of numbers between 0.1 and 0.2 is entirely equal to the ammount of numbers between 1 and 100.
Incorrect. The amount of numbers from 1 to 100 is a much larger infinity.
((....Did I actually get to everything before work? Yay!))
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 29, 2015, 08:41:42 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 29, 2015, 11:36:40 am
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And for an unusual universe suggestion, I suggest a vertical spiral shaped sun with a torus shaped planet around it, with the moons rotating around portions of said planet. Here's a quick sketch of my idea:
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And also, instead of a single council, I suggest multiple pantheons, that way we can have multiple groups with opposing interests doing whatever they like without being vetoed by gods of different opinions. At first however we should probably all work together for the creation of the initial system.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 11:46:40 am
((And is more interesting than my worldtree idea))
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 12:01:53 pm
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Portal Magic: Variable, depending on things like the strength of the magic, easy of access, and power source. Making an average-sphere discounted magic powered by Essence: ~4-7EWell, I don't honestly know enough to specify some of these. Besides essence, what are some other viable power sources? Could calling portals use up the wizards lifeforce? Perhaps portals could be powered by sunlight? Blood? Precious Metals? Could portalwizards choose to sacrifice memories to make portals?
Ease of access, making it harder to access would decrease essence cost right? So could do something like make the ease of access "only creatures specifically adapted by godly design, can use portal magic. Even if they can use other magic, if not specifically adapted, cannot use portal magic."? And then go "my ants are designed to be able to use portal magic". Could I be more restrictive and go "only the ants I specifically designed for it are able to use the portal magic, no one else can"? Or going in the other direction "even creatures not capable of using other magic can use portal magic. It is freely available to everyone"
Would that be valid?
Strength of the magic. I don't really know what I should specify here. Stuff like "temporary portals can only be kept open by continuous effort, and not longer than a hour"? "Temporary Portals cannot have a radius larger than 500km"? "Permanent portals take longer to construct the larger they are, ranging from weeks to months to years to decades, with a max size of about 100km radius, but requiring several decades to construct"? "Constructed portals require rare reagents and materials to make"? "Summoning up or constructing portals uses up the lifeforce of the caster"?
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Ants:3E for 10k, assuming above ant intelligence and general ant powers in all skills and magic affinity . So 1E gets you 3.3K. Once a magic system is created, is is available to all magic-capable mortals unless otherwise specified. They do grow and expand on their own.Is "above ant intelligence" smart enough that I can get essence from them worshipping me? As long as I can get essence from them worshipping me that's sufficient intelligence for me. Also, would having them have ~century long lifespans effect that essence cost?
EDIT: Whoops, wanted to edit this into my previous post. Sorry for the doublepost!
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A asteroid belt. The asteroids glow brightly.
FArgHalfnr's Spiral Sun (http://i.imgur.com/hPxHVfO.png)
EDIT3: Stirk, if I used power to rip holes in the fabric of space, would the holes themselves be permanent?
Also, I think a answer to the following question is kind of important?
What about soulless creatures, e.g. golems of some sort?QuoteIs there a discount when propagating a race over creating a race like Ye Gods used to have? Is creature creation logarithmic or something similar? (i.e. 10k humans is 5E, 100k humans is 6E.)
No, propagating involves directly creating the souls, which is the hard part. It is possible to expand the population for cheaper then it would cost to simply create more, but you will have to be more creative then just saying "I spend E to propagate!!". The scale is linear, 5E gets you 10K humans, 1E gets you~2k, 10E gets you 20k.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 12:37:51 pm
Cost of creatures that dent space permanently by existing and feed off of dispersed Essense in the void, shitting whatever they collect out as matter or energy?
Dent space as in, they slowly make a gravitational well the longer they stay in one area. And leaving doesn't remove the well. Meaning if they lurked for too long, they would become a singularity and die horribly.
Also what happens if you make them intolerant of more than 1.5G worth of gravity? Meaning they prefer to constantly move?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 12:50:12 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 12:57:33 pm
Wüldbringer Wolves~
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 29, 2015, 01:28:07 pm
The coil system idea looks interesting too.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 29, 2015, 01:50:26 pm
Pricecheck on making a torus planet as seen in http://i.imgur.com/hPxHVfO.png (http://i.imgur.com/hPxHVfO.png) big enough that the poles would have a temperature similar to that of earth (somewhere along 17-20C). Also a pricecheck on extending the spiral sun enough to be able to add a second torus around.
Post by: Dutrius on May 29, 2015, 02:43:56 pm
And for an unusual universe suggestion, I suggest a vertical spiral shaped sun with a torus shaped planet around it, with the moons rotating around portions of said planet. Here's a quick sketch of my idea:The main advantage of this setup is that it allows a theoretically infinite number of planets of similar climates without having to make a new star for each.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And also, instead of a single council, I suggest multiple pantheons, that way we can have multiple groups with opposing interests doing whatever they like without being vetoed by gods of different opinions. At first however we should probably all work together for the creation of the initial system.
I support both these ideas.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 05:15:03 pm
WMG: Far to variable for me to be able to give an accurate number :-\.This laser (http://www.thephysicsmill.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/DeathStarLaser.png) but with more power - enough so that the laser is as big as this one (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/yamato_wave_motion_gun.jpg) relative to its size.
It would depend on the form of Council created, how powerful the Council was, and other factors.So how would we actually go about creating the council? Do we just go "Let's make a council that's X powerful and works like Y!" and then we have the Ye Gods council? Does everyone need to agree? Does a majority? A mere plural amount of gods? A single god?
And for an unusual universe suggestion, I suggest a vertical spiral shaped sun with a torus shaped planet around it, with the moons rotating around portions of said planet. Here's a quick sketch of my idea:While it's a very interesting concept, I'm going to have to -1 for two reasons. The first is that it's needlessly complicated and my own personal preference lies with a normal solar system. The second is that while we won't have to make any new stars, we will have to spend Essence every time we want to extend the sun so we won't be saving any money there.The main advantage of this setup is that it allows a theoretically infinite number of planets of similar climates without having to make a new star for each.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And also, instead of a single council, I suggest multiple pantheons, that way we can have multiple groups with opposing interests doing whatever they like without being vetoed by gods of different opinions. At first however we should probably all work together for the creation of the initial system.That's pretty much how it was before, actually. One of the reasons there was so much conflict is that anything we wanted to change would've affected everyone else since we were all sharing the same worlds. If we each have our own world here, there'd be no problem. If we're all gonna share some or all of the worlds, there'll be conflict regardless of what kind of council/pantheon system we have. At least with a unified council we can say "You're not allowed to kill that god because he ate you're jelly roll" and it would have some actual weight.
I actually have a couple ideas for it. This would be the ones that give a base of matter and gravity. The second group would seed more important elements like metals. Third group would produce atmosphere. Fourth water. Fifth plants. Sixth animals.I can think of a few modifications for this system which I think would be better.
Wüldbringer Wolves~
First of all, we create the Wolves using Essence, as per normal, but rather than stopping there, we'll make it so it's powered by Power. That'll decrease the initial (and probably huge) Essence cost PLUS it means it'll come with its own on/off switch since all Power-usage cuts off after a Tick. Since we're using Power to temporarily power the wolves rather than create the planets directly, everything should work fine.
Secondly, we should make it so the Wolves only work when X% of gods put their Power into it. This is to prevent one guy from putting Power into the Wolves and having them build a planet on top of another planet.
Thirdly, some of the Wolves you're planning to make are a bit redundant. Why would the second group produce metals when the first is already producing matter? Why are some of the wolves of the first group creating gravity when some are already creating matter? Matter=gravity, after all. I think we only need two pairs of wolves - three at max. The first group makes non-living things and the second makes living things. If we're going with three groups, the first group makes base elements, the second combines them into molecules and arranges them in whatever way we want, and the third group makes living things.
Fourthly, the Wüldbringer Wolves should be based on another animal. Why? Because it's best not to give the world-creating/destroyer superweapon an affinity matching with the god who either plans to do something probably worse than genociding most of the world's population, or something better (genociding half is better but still pretty bad).
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 05:26:12 pm
Also think of the discount we'd get from using wolves.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 29, 2015, 05:48:56 pm
Pricecheck on making a normal star like the sun.
And for an unusual universe suggestion, I suggest a vertical spiral shaped sun with a torus shaped planet around it, with the moons rotating around portions of said planet. Here's a quick sketch of my idea:While it's a very interesting concept, I'm going to have to -1 for two reasons. The first is that it's needlessly complicated and my own personal preference lies with a normal solar system. The second is that while we won't have to make any new stars, we will have to spend Essence every time we want to extend the sun so we won't be saving any money there.The main advantage of this setup is that it allows a theoretically infinite number of planets of similar climates without having to make a new star for each.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Let's see which option is cheaper between a new normal star or extending the spiral one before we vote, okay? And also, another benefit of my system is that it allows a much easier travel between two planets of similar climate than having to move between two stars and it's planets also have the benefit of being massively bigger than round ones, preventing us from stepping on eachother's toes. If you want a round planet, you could always make one directly orbit the spiral sun. And for your preference, I guess I can't do much to change your opinion, but I still believe that my system is more versatile than the regular one.
And also, I support the idea of using wolves for the discount, but we'd have to make it so that they are completely neutral towards all gods. After all we are talking about the creation of pretty much everything, so we don't want them to favor anyone.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 05:54:00 pm
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 06:06:03 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 06:09:45 pm
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 06:22:12 pm
EDIT: To be clear, the world wolves should have NO specific forms because a new god could just take the sphere of that form and do whatever they want with those wolves.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 06:26:08 pm
Also as they are producing matter, and therefore gravity, giving them an intolerance to 1.5G's worth of gravity would keep them moving, and therefore creating more land. They wouldn't be Able to make stuff on planet Xenos because they couldn't live there.
I'm defending the wolves because I have a feeling the discount will matter quite a lot.
Post by: Vgray on May 29, 2015, 06:36:41 pm
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 08:47:01 pm
Do you even calculus bro?
Calculus is an elaborate lie made by a made alchemist/coin maker and perpetuated by Mathematicians so they can have all the real math to themselves.
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Well, I don't honestly know enough to specify some of these. Besides essence, what are some other viable power sources? Could calling portals use up the wizards lifeforce? Perhaps portals could be powered by sunlight? Blood? Precious Metals? Could portalwizards choose to sacrifice memories to make portals?
Anything you could think of. !SCIENCE! will have to be done to see what works best, of course, but non-direct sources of energy usually are cheaper and work better then direct essence spending. Just try whatever you think is cool.
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Ease of access, making it harder to access would decrease essence cost right? So could do something like make the ease of access "only creatures specifically adapted by godly design, can use portal magic. Even if they can use other magic, if not specifically adapted, cannot use portal magic."? And then go "my ants are designed to be able to use portal magic". Could I be more restrictive and go "only the ants I specifically designed for it are able to use the portal magic, no one else can"? Or going in the other direction "even creatures not capable of using other magic can use portal magic. It is freely available to everyone"
First question: Kind of. Restricting it to "only people who worship me", for example, would cost more. "Only creatures specifically adapted to use it" would make it cheaper, but then you would have to pay essence for each race you want to use it (defeating the point). Ease of access simply refers to how easy it is for the average mortal to get to, how wide spread it can easily be. In the other direction, you could try, but it *might* not be a good idea to grant random deer, bears, and bees the ability to make portals and it will no doubt spread the energy very thin.
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Strength of the magic. I don't really know what I should specify here. Stuff like "temporary portals can only be kept open by continuous effort, and not longer than a hour"? "Temporary Portals cannot have a radius larger than 500km"? "Permanent portals take longer to construct the larger they are, ranging from weeks to months to years to decades, with a max size of about 100km radius, but requiring several decades to construct"? "Constructed portals require rare reagents and materials to make"? "Summoning up or constructing portals uses up the lifeforce of the caster"?
Strength is more "What can be done with this magic by the average user?", and is generally much more abstract. The general effects will very from user to user in most magic systems unless specified otherwise. A novice will be able to do less then an experienced user who will be able to do less then the archangel specifically designed to use the magic who has trained for centuries.
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Is "above ant intelligence" smart enough that I can get essence from them worshipping me? As long as I can get essence from them worshipping me that's sufficient intelligence for me. Also, would having them have ~century long lifespans effect that essence cost?
Yes, the worship is enough. No, it is generally assumed that Sapients live about a century unless stated otherwise.
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Glowing asteroid belt: 3E~ (Creation, same bonuses as other planetary bodies)
FArgHalfnr's Spiral Sun: +0-5E from a normal sun (Creation, etc etc) (20-35E total)
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EDIT3: Stirk, if I used power to rip holes in the fabric of space, would the holes themselves be permanent?
Didn't I answer it already? Oh. I thought I did. "Shrug".
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What about soulless creatures, e.g. golems of some sort?
Looks like I missed that one too. Souless creatures are under the same rules as the ones you quoted, on a linear scale. They are essentially puppets unless there is reason for them to be otherwise, and cannot reproduce unless specifically designed in a way for them to make more of themselves.
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Essence eating Gravity things: 7-8E (eating essence probably won't end up as you hope~)
+intolerance: Just not liking it or having minor physical reaction to it is free. Having worse reactions counts as a weakness, and would likely cost somewhat less. The ability is assumed to go away when they die.
Torus planet:20-30E, same as a normal habitable rocky planet, assuming it is relatively the size of Earth. +4-10 for every extra "earth" size. (Etc, etc bonuses)
Extending: I am assuming that the drawing isn't perfectly to scale. With semi-realistic planet to sun size, you could fit a hundred earth size rings around it without effecting too much.
Normal Sun (Like Earth's): As stated before, between 20-30E.
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This laser but with more power - enough so that the laser is as big as this one relative to its size.
We should get this out of the way now, references are a horrible way to price check anything. I have not seen either of those movies.
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So how would we actually go about creating the council? Do we just go "Let's make a council that's X powerful and works like Y!" and then we have the Ye Gods council? Does everyone need to agree? Does a majority? A mere plural amount of gods? A single god?
The gods that agree will form the council, unless otherwise stated. Trying to force the other Gods into it is possible, but a single God could form his own council that doesn't effect anything if he really wanted me to try my best to get him killed. Basically, you make rules that the members agree to via Celestial contract, then the council performs whatever purpose it can.
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While it's a very interesting concept, I'm going to have to -1 for two reasons. The first is that it's needlessly complicated and my own personal preference lies with a normal solar system. The second is that while we won't have to make any new stars, we will have to spend Essence every time we want to extend the sun so we won't be saving any money there.
I think this is a good time to remind everyone of the typical size comparison between planets and stars:
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Unless the planet is huge, or the sun is particularly small, there is plenty of room for plenty of planets if that is what everyone desires. With the spiral or otherwise. I mean, we have multiple (potentially) habitable planets in our own solar system, there is nothing preventing a dozen planets existing in the same one. Space is a big place.
NOTICE:
This would be a good time to point out that I plan to relate the cost of planetary bodies to how many planets we start with. If we end up making one or two planets to start with, making a third will be an impressive feet with a suitable price tag. If everyone makes their own planet, then it will not be a major change in the game and will be comparatively cheap. This is one of the reasons current planetary bodies are tabled with "At Creation", as the price will change after "Creation" is over.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 08:56:27 pm
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 08:57:30 pm
So can the game start now?
Ill start it Saturday morning as planned. My time, that is. So tomorrow morning :P.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 09:02:36 pm
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If the sun was really that much bigger than Earth, then how come that Earth model isn't orbiting the sun model? Checkmate, atheists.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Unless the planet is huge, or the sun is particularly small, there is plenty of room for plenty of planets if that is what everyone desires. With the spiral or otherwise. I mean, we have multiple (potentially) habitable planets in our own solar system, there is nothing preventing a dozen planets existing in the same one. Space is a big place.So there's no difference between a spiral and a non-spiral other than cost and complexity. Cool. So how many Earth-like planets can be fit in a red dwarf system?
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 09:13:07 pm
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But have you seriously not watched the Star Wars movies? How could you have not watched the Star Wars movies? They're like a cornerstone of our culture. The other thing I understand cos I didn't watch it either (it's just the picture for the trope page) but how could you have gone your whole life without watching Star Wars?
And it is a REALLY bad idea to price check with references you don't know yourself ::).
When I was little, my parents never watched it with me because they find that kind of thing boring and I had no way to watch it myself. When I grew up to be old enough to get it, it seemed kind of pointless since I have probably seen a hundred parodies of it already, and it literally predates the fall of the soviet union and would be far to outdated for me to take seriously.
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So there's no difference between a spiral and a non-spiral other than cost and complexity. Cool. So how many Earth-like planets can be fit in a red dwarf system?
As many as you want, really. Space is incomprehensibly large, there is no reason for a limit. You would run out of essence before room. Remember that, in real life, every planet in our solar system could fit between the Earth and its Moon with room to spare.
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 09:23:32 pm
And it is a REALLY bad idea to price check with references you don't know yourself ::).I don't need to watch that series. It's a battleship (check) in space (check) firing a giant laser (check). All that was needed was to increase the E-cost relative to the laser's size relative to the thing that was firing it.
As many as you want, really. Space is incomprehensibly large, there is no reason for a limit. You would run out of essence before room. Remember that, in real life, every planet in our solar system could fit between the Earth and its Moon with room to spare.Cool. How much would such a sun cost, though? It's quite a bit smaller than our RL one.
EDIT: Watch this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZFHTa6TfA)
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 09:31:29 pm
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Cool. How much would such a sun cost, though? It's quite a bit smaller than our RL one.
Ill just say the same price as a normal sun (Creation), since they serve the same purpose. They are a little different from a normal sun, but easier to make offsetting any costs.
Planetkilling weapons: Depends on the number of planets created. If we only have one and it would completely ruin the game for it to be destroyed, it will be incredibly expensive. If every God owns five, it will be significantly cheaper.
Post by: ~Neri on May 29, 2015, 09:38:25 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 29, 2015, 09:40:13 pm
It's a multiplayer game. So let's multiplay.
EDIT: Also, price check $$$ on a smaller, cooler sun that we place the planets nearer to. Would it be cheaper or no?
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 09:48:51 pm
Ill just say the same price as a normal sun (Creation), since they serve the same purpose. They are a little different from a normal sun, but easier to make offsetting any costs.So there's no effective difference between making a small red sun, a medium yellow sun, and a large blue sun? Swords are much easier to make than stars, so why don't they cost 20E? The system makes no sense. Ease of use should be what increases the price - not ease of creation. Increased ease of creation should decrease the price, if anything. A sword, for example, is very easy to use and so would theoretically cost a lot, but the ease of making the sword drops the cost so much that it's literally free. I'm talking about a mundane sword, btw.
Indeed. This game isn't just about 'oh let's all do our own thing and create seperately so we never have to come into contact with one another.Then we won't have different world types. One would can be relatively peaceful, another can be like Keshan was in Ye Gods, another can be in a state of Only War, etc. If you say that we can get all that from a single world, then what's the difference? Why can't we just chill in our own private sections of the world? What's stopping us from doing that?
It's a multiplayer game. So let's multiplay.
Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 09:51:43 pm
Just for the record, I will likely not make space an issue, in the same way that Ye Gods didn't make it an issue. I am not about to go "Oh, that is a cool idea and all, but you have no where to put it! Oh well.". It will only be a problem if things get absurd or someone tries to make it a problem.
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EDIT: Also, price check $$$ on a smaller, cooler sun that we place the planets nearer to. Would it be cheaper or no?
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No, since it has the exact same purpose and would change literally nothing about the sun's function.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 29, 2015, 09:59:24 pm
Alrighty then, though, Stirk.
Advice, by the way, Andres: Argue less with the GM.
On a different note, because then we're playing a forum version of Minecraft, rather than Litany of the Void. Multiple planets is cool and all and I think four to five would be fine, but partially I just want them for constellations and particularly bright 'stars'.
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How much for a starry night sky, Stirk? Not actual stars, but the appearance? Very low, because it's 'cosmetic'? And what do you guys want to make the sky like, since we can do basically anything?
Post by: Andres on May 29, 2015, 10:01:06 pm
I don't think it would be literally free in this case, Andres...Are you actually telling me that it would cost 1 or more Essence to create a mundane, mortal-quality sword? Seriously?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 29, 2015, 10:08:51 pm
Ill just say the same price as a normal sun (Creation), since they serve the same purpose. They are a little different from a normal sun, but easier to make offsetting any costs.So there's no effective difference between making a small red sun, a medium yellow sun, and a large blue sun? Swords are much easier to make than stars, so why don't they cost 20E? The system makes no sense. Ease of use should be what increases the price - not ease of creation. Increased ease of creation should decrease the price, if anything. A sword, for example, is very easy to use and so would theoretically cost a lot, but the ease of making the sword drops the cost so much that it's literally free. I'm talking about a mundane sword, btw.Indeed. This game isn't just about 'oh let's all do our own thing and create seperately so we never have to come into contact with one another.Then we won't have different world types. One would can be relatively peaceful, another can be like Keshan was in Ye Gods, another can be in a state of Only War, etc. If you say that we can get all that from a single world, then what's the difference? Why can't we just chill in our own private sections of the world? What's stopping us from doing that?
It's a multiplayer game. So let's multiplay.
My torus world would be big enough to allow people to choose whenever they want to interact with each other or not when they decide to place their stuff, considering it would be big enough that a human could probably never hope to go from one end to another in his lifetime. We'd probably need to scale down everything to make such a planet possible
Fakedit: Or not, apparently the game doesn't work that way.
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Post by: Stirk on May 29, 2015, 10:14:47 pm
Cosmetic Sky features: 0-3E, real stars or no, depending on complexity and mechanism. If a majority of the Gods agree on it, it will probably be done for free.
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Fakedit: Or not, apparently the game doesn't work that way.
It could if you really wanted it to, but "Out of room, sorry!" sounds boring and half of you seem to be trying to make ways to get around it anyway :-\.
A planet long enough to go around a spiral sun would either have to be very thin or very expensive.
If every god participated, with a solar-system bonus, it wouldn't be too absurdly expensive to do. It would probably take 3-6E from everyone to go around with a decent girth.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 29, 2015, 10:19:54 pm
A planet long enough to go around a spiral sun would either have to be very thin or very expensive.
If every god participated, with a solar-system bonus, it wouldn't be too absurdly expensive to do. It would probably take 3-6E from everyone to go around with a decent girth.
That's why I mentioned the idea of a smaller scale for everything. I do realize that at IRL scale, the torus would be either incredibly thin or ridiculously oversized and far too long to be practical in either case.
Post by: Vgray on May 29, 2015, 10:23:27 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 29, 2015, 10:25:20 pm
I'm telling you it would cost 1 essence to make a single sword, yes. Thus, why Gods shouldn't be wasting their time with such trivialities. To make a thousand swords would probably also cost 1 essence, and still be a waste of time. Because otherwise, people will make a single sword ten thousand times, and if it's 'literally free', well.I don't think it would be literally free in this case, Andres...Are you actually telling me that it would cost 1 or more Essence to create a mundane, mortal-quality sword? Seriously?
But yes, seriously. Gods shouldn't be wasting time on such things.
EDIT: What about we just make a planet that slowly increases in size as time goes on and activity takes place on it? That way there will always be enough room. Since physics can probably work how we want them to, Gravity wouldn't have to increase very much either.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 29, 2015, 11:50:21 pm
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Strength is more "What can be done with this magic by the average user?", and is generally much more abstract. The general effects will very from user to user in most magic systems unless specified otherwise. A novice will be able to do less then an experienced user who will be able to do less then the archangel specifically designed to use the magic who has trained for centuries.Okay, but how am I supposed to specify the strength then? Could you give me some examples please? I need something to work with here.
$$$This is actually what I pricechecked a glowing asteroid belt for! :))
How much for a starry night sky, Stirk? Not actual stars, but the appearance? Very low, because it's 'cosmetic'? And what do you guys want to make the sky like, since we can do basically anything?
Haha what? It's not complicated at all. You drunk Andres.And for an unusual universe suggestion, I suggest a vertical spiral shaped sun with a torus shaped planet around it, with the moons rotating around portions of said planet. Here's a quick sketch of my idea:While it's a very interesting concept, I'm going to have to -1 for two reasons. The first is that it's needlessly complicated and my own personal preference lies with a normal solar system.The main advantage of this setup is that it allows a theoretically infinite number of planets of similar climates without having to make a new star for each.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 12:10:56 am
Is there some way we can get constellations with actual magical properties like their were in Ye Gods for free? Any god could make them at any time for free and they'd have actual magical properties.
Do souls have the same lethality/blast radius they had in Ye Gods? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5806996#msg5806996) (3.736 metres killing radius/minimum blast radius)
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Price check for 10k humans that can shoot lasers out of their eyes
Price check for creating a Kratos equivalent assuming there's no Ersatz rule (nothing can go wrong with this)
Price check on creating a megabeast
Price check on creating 3k sapient Hydras because you never answered that one
Price check on creating 10k sapient talking cats
Price check on creating a combat-enhanced angel
Price check on creating a Unique angel
Price check on creating a Unique combat-enhanced angel (aka an archangel)
Price check on creating a gun that can shoot souls like bullets
Price check on creating a forge that can be used to make artifacts worth 3E or less for free
Price check on creating a forge that allows Power to be used instead of Essence for making permanent artifacts
Post by: DontBanTheMan on May 30, 2015, 01:52:55 am
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Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 02:59:39 am
Price check on creating a lesser spirit that when petitioned (i.e, directing prayers toward Mavnon) by mortals, generates a stack of 19th century guns directly adjacent to the mortal?
Price check on a corporeal immortal being that offers mortals various weapons and secrets pertaining to their enemies in exchange for worship directed to it and Mavnon?
Price check on creating 12 small comets that orbit a planet and when all are visible, those birthed at the time grow up to be naturally ambitious, paranoid or aggressive?
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 30, 2015, 04:00:40 am
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Post by: DontBanTheMan on May 30, 2015, 04:10:27 am
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 04:38:11 am
I have no idea what it's supposed to represent, so I can't really make drastic changes to it.
EDIT: Looking back on it you got the circle thing right.
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Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 10:25:11 am
I'd envisioned a wider canopy, Cim, but it looks really clean and nice as it is.
I kinda find it funny you think I'll get along with monsters and nightmares, though I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense. Monsters like to be big, after all...
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 10:33:37 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 10:42:55 am
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Umm, if you were talking about my magic barrier questions, this was a unrelated question. I want to mess up space by making holes in it, which isn't connected to me wanting to smash a hole in the magicwall blocking off the magic.Quote from: Demonic SpoonStirk, if I used power to rip holes in the fabric of space, would the holes themselves be permanent?Didn't I answer it already? Oh. I thought I did. "Shrug".
I thought you might have confused the two since you answered both with "shrug".
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 10:52:59 am
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Okay, but how am I supposed to specify the strength then? Could you give me some examples please? I need something to work with here.
Fair question. Using your portals as an example, if the average user can make a more-or-less permanent portal that leads an absurd distance with some difficulty, it would be a "strong" magic that would require more essence to make and would have more difficulties as a trade off. If it takes a hundred magic users to achieve the same goal, it might become "medium", a good bit cheaper will less drawbacks. If it can only make temporary portals a few miles away at most, then it might be "weak", cheaper and less risky. It is more on a scale then that, but I hope this helps a bit :-\.
With the magic, your character will have to find out a little bit more to make a "perfect" system. !SCIENCE! was one of the most fun parts of Ye Gods, I don't want to dump all the information to the point you have nothing to find out IC :P.
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So if something that takes a certain amount of time before it can be used is cheaper than something that can be used instantly, does that mean we can get a cheaper price on a sun if we just created a nebula and wait for a few Ticks? Can we then speed that process up with Power?
No. "Cheaper with more time" only counts after Creation, since it is already taking millennium. The general concept is that you can't use it for several ticks, making it less useful. This matters less when nobody would be able to do anything anyway. If you are at war and have to wait 3 ticks for your sword, that is a genuine problem that can become a discount. If everyone has to wait 3 days to play, that is just boring penny pinching.
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Is there some way we can get constellations with actual magical properties like their were in Ye Gods for free? Any god could make them at any time for free and they'd have actual magical properties.
Nothing is free.
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Do souls have the same lethality/blast radius they had in Ye Gods? (3.736 metres killing radius/minimum blast radius)
KJP was pretty clear that you pulled that number out of your but ::).
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Laser Eye humans-7-8E
I already warned you that we do have an Expy rule.
Mega beast: Depends on abilities and capabilities.
Hydras: I can't find what they where :-\
Talking Cats: 4-5E assuming human-level intelligence came with talking.
Combat Enhanced Angel: 6-8E
"Unique" tag doesn't exist as of now in Litany.
Soul Gun: Depends on capabilities. Normal Godly Weapon quality:3E/1P
Cheapskate Forge: (? ? ?)
Even Cheaper-skate Forge (? ? ?)
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Name: Patronius.
Spheres: Leadership and Avarice.
Primary Form: A towering, obese man adorned with purple robes and a gleaming crown, inset with jewels of all kinds. Emits a faint yellow light and wields a silver scepter, which is tipped with a crown.
Associated Symbol: A golden scepter tipped with a crown (the same scepter he carries with him) on a background of purple.
Description/Background: Watchful and protective of rulers and their ilk, his goals are to safeguard those who rule over civilization. He is also tremendously greedy, and pushes for rulers and other worshippers to take from others; this makes him supportive of wars and expansion. His ultimate desire is for a single civilization headed by a single eternal ruler.
It really isn't too complicated, and accepted! If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to ask. I already put you in the game.
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Item specific Spirit: 6-8E (Not counting discount). 19th century guns may have to be invented first, to avoid having people with revolvers and Gatling guns cutting down sword wielding enemies. Angels and Gods can use any "tech level" of weapon at any time.
Immortal (granted to Mortal): 1-2E (includes advanced skills, no magic powers. Can still be slayed. Not counting discount.)
Immortal (directly made): 1-3E (includes advanced skills, more directly controlled then mortal, can still be slayed, not counting discount)
Mood changing comets: 2-3E
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 10:58:34 am
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Item specific Spirit: 6-8E (Not counting discount). 19th century guns may have to be invented first, to avoid having people with revolvers and Gatling guns cutting down sword wielding enemies.Why do we want to avoid this exactly? Divine weaponry being of a higher tech level seems appropriate and makes them sufficiently "divine", plus tech disparities are fun. It'd make sense for the weapons to be progressively more costly the farther they are from the existing tech levels though.
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Fair question. Using your portals as an example, if the average user can make a more-or-less permanent portal that leads an absurd distance with some difficulty, it would be a "strong" magic that would require more essence to make and would have more difficulties as a trade off. If it takes a hundred magic users to achieve the same goal, it might become "medium", a good bit cheaper will less drawbacks. If it can only make temporary portals a few miles away at most, then it might be "weak", cheaper and less risky. It is more on a scale then that, but I hope this helps a bit :-\.What exactly do you mean by difficulties, drawbacks and risks here? The stronger the magic is, the more likely using it is to go horribly wrong? Like the portal actually leading to a hell dimension, or the portal exploding or what?
Reposting in case you missed it. Just want to confirm you didn't think I was asking the same question again.
Quote from: StirkUmm, if you were talking about my magic barrier questions, this was a unrelated question. I want to mess up space by making holes in it, which isn't connected to me wanting to smash a hole in the magicwall blocking off the magic.Quote from: Demonic SpoonStirk, if I used power to rip holes in the fabric of space, would the holes themselves be permanent?Didn't I answer it already? Oh. I thought I did. "Shrug".
I thought you might have confused the two since you answered both with "shrug".
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:00:59 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 11:05:28 am
Teburshe can be persuaded by arguments that appeal to his principles. :PThat's what I've been trying to do. Not sure how well I'm doing at that.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:08:45 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 11:10:41 am
"...Life...difficult to sustain under such conditions....but...suppose...possible....For whatever reason I'm not quite comprehending what you're suggesting here. Could you please clarify OOC for me?
Compromise? Growing Torus. One one-hundredths growth every one hundred cycles around arc-sun? New material at closest and farthest 'edges' from sun...avoids disrupting buildings and life already present...."
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:14:02 am
So. Forest of mechanical towers. Who else likes the idea?
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 11:14:33 am
Spiral/Arc Sun of glowing Gems: Same price as normal Spiral sun ((Creation, etc etc) (20-35E total))
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Why do we want to avoid this exactly? Divine weaponry being of a higher tech level seems appropriate and makes them sufficiently "divine", plus tech disparities are fun. It'd make fun for the weapons to be progressively more costly the farther they are from the existing tech levels.
Divine weapons and artifacts can be of any "tech level" the creator wishes, thus Gods and their servants (Basically anybody who is important. Don't know why I just said Angels earlier). After all, it isn't like there is too much difference from a staff that shoots fire and a divine flamethrower. The weapons created by this spirit, however, would only be mortal quality and not special in any real way, since almost anyone who asks can get one.
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What exactly do you mean by difficulties, drawbacks and risks here? The stronger the magic is, the more likely using it is to go horribly wrong? Like the portal actually leading to a hell dimension, or the portal exploding or what?
It simply means I have permission to make things mess up in some way :P. Those are all possibilities. Casualties are likely, though more commonly it will probably be things like "The user used up all his lifeforce attempting this spell and died", with things like that saved for more important events.
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Umm, if you were talking about my magic barrier questions, this was a unrelated question. I want to mess up space by making holes in it, which isn't connected to me wanting to smash a hole in the magicwall blocking off the magic.
I thought you might have confused the two since you answered both with "shrug".
*Shrug* :P
I did confuse the two, but that is still the answer :P.
Post by: Dutrius on May 30, 2015, 11:15:40 am
1% Growth every hundred years, the new land or whatever appears at the inside portion/'edge' closest to the sun and the outside portion/'edge' farthest from sun, in a similar way to how the rifts at the bottom of the ocean spit up new material that shoves continents to either side. That way, buildings don't have their foundations split beneath them and the like.
So. Forest of mechanical towers. Who else likes the idea?
I like the sound of this.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:24:37 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 11:27:10 am
DemonicSpoon, it would grow all of the regions. It would still be a torus shape. New material would appear in the hottest of the hot regions and the coldest of the cold.Oh, I think I get it now. So the new material shoves older material into the temperate zones?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:30:33 am
And yes, far more readable.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 11:32:08 am
"I support the growing torus, it will allow for my future children to have much unexplored land to hide and thrive."Lol
While the other gods are busy talking and such, I would like to create a tiny jumping spider and place it upon my head, it shall be called Ewuobuhr, the first of creation, and the first of my children.
EDIT: I think I'll be switching from purple to black actually, to be more in line with my symbol.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 11:51:46 am
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Strong Strength Portal magic system with standard Ease of Access (anyone who can use magic can use it. I believe that's standard?). Powered by a combination of lifeforce and memories, either that of the caster or designated living sacrifices.
How much of a discount to creating it would I be getting from my Magic and Portal spheres?
EDIT: Ugh, what's it with me and doubleposting in this thread? I keep accidentally doing that. Will do my best to curb this habit in the future.
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 12:01:58 pm
Pricechecking time!
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Strong Strength Portal magic system with standard Ease of Access (anyone who can use magic can use it. I believe that's standard?). Powered by a combination of lifeforce and memories, either that of the caster or designated living sacrifices.
How much of a discount to creating it would I be getting from my Magic and Portal spheres?
EDIT: Ugh, what's it with me and doubleposting in this thread? I keep accidentally doing that. Will do my best to curb this habit in the future.
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Portal magic as described: 5-7E (Not counting), 2-4E (Counting duel sphere bonus)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 12:30:44 pm
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(For the record, as there are sixteen players and Creation is one of the most important times, I will put off any huge creations until the next tick anyway. We should probably do something so I know who is putting what to what...)Umm, what do you mean exactly? I was thinking players just say how much essence they'll be putting into specific projects when they decide to do so.
For example:
"Izgamlo invests two essence into the creation of a spiral sun
Izgamlo invests two essence into the creation of a growing torus planet"
Which reminds me
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Adding the characteristic of growing 1% of it's total size even century to a torus planet?
As above, but millennium instead of century.
Did we pricecheck a torus planet before? In any case, please state/repeat the price. To prevent price requesting repeats, I recommend listing all prices provided so far in the op (divided into categories to improve ease of looking through it. E.G. Animals, Sapient Races, Objects, Celestial Bodies)
I can throw up a summary of all prices provided so far for you to copypasta into op if you like.
EDIT: Kept forgetting to ask this. What do the price ranges like e.g. 2-4 for portal magic system mean? You can spend the minimum of 2 essence for a barebones crappy product, up to the maximum of 4 for a deluxe model with all the bells and whistles? Or does it mean something else?
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"When compromise was proposed...suggested arc sun...Why spiral? Arc sun allows...seasons...variety...change....slight but present....spiral seems...unnecessary...overcomplicated....odd...unstable...and so on..."What the what? I'm assuming by "arc" you mean a sphere? Or a hemipshere? How would either of those two allows seasons?
Also, not seeing why a spiral would be either overcomplicated or unstable.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 12:46:58 pm
And also, I'd like a clarification as of what the "arc" sun would look like too.
Edit: And also, I think I'll try to draw a crude map of the torus world to make it easier to determine where we are going to settle our respective species in relation to each other.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 12:47:55 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 30, 2015, 12:48:51 pm
Price check on a gear-shaped world, with a sun on one edge of the gear(not the flat bit, the jagged), with the gear rotating to allow the sun to heat all of the world.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
$$$Just as a FYI, that'd have zero support from me.
Price check on a gear-shaped world, with a sun on one edge of the gear(not the flat bit, the jagged), with the gear rotating to allow the sun to heat all of the world.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 12:57:36 pm
Partially because I don't really like the idea of a spiral sun. Just seems strange and without real purpose.
Also, we did check the price of torus planet. Same as a normal planet if you want it to have the same amount of space.
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 01:01:15 pm
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Umm, what do you mean exactly? I was thinking players just say how much essence they'll be putting into specific projects when they decide to do so.
That is one system that will work. If everyone uses a different system, I will be completely confused :-\.
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Growing planet: Variable on size of the planet. ~Maybe 20-40E for each earth size (Creation etc). Once again, the planet will have enough room for everything without needing to grow.
Millennium: 10-30E
Keep in mind that with % growths, things get absurdly big absurdly quickly.
Yes: The answer was it varies with the size.
[Torus planet:20-30E, same as a normal habitable rocky planet, assuming it is relatively the size of Earth. +4-10 for every extra "earth" size. (Etc, etc bonuses)]
Putting all price checks in OP: I don't think that is a good idea. We are two days in and it would already be swamped to the point of being useless for the intended purpose, and that is just between you and Andres :P.
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EDIT: Kept forgetting to ask this. What do the price ranges like e.g. 2-4 for portal magic system mean? You can spend the minimum of 2 essence for a barebones crappy product, up to the maximum of 4 for a deluxe model with all the bells and whistles? Or does it mean something else?
A price check with a - means that it is random and rolled between those two numbers. 2-4E means that it could be 2,3, or 4 essence depending on how lucky you are with your rolls.
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Gear-shaped world with sun capable of supporting life: 35-55E for Earth Size (Creation ETC)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:03:57 pm
By an arc I mean a crescent with fatter ends, essentially. A type of Lune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lune_%28mathematics%29), basically, three dimensional.Arc seems weirder and with even less purpose than spiral sun honestly. Mostly since I can't get myself to properly visualize what it would look like. Request three-dimensional picture.
Partially because I don't really like the idea of a spiral sun. Just seems strange and without real purpose.
Also, we did check the price of torus planet. Same as a normal planet if you want it to have the same amount of space.
I'll be honest. It's kind of annoying that the prices are somewhat random. No, very annoying. But ugh, fine. It makes calculating how much essence to give for group creations an absolute pain though, unless everyone has to contribute exactly the same equal amount of essence, meaning we can't specify "contribute 2 essence" or stuff like that, since we don't know what the actual price of the creation will be.QuoteEDIT: Kept forgetting to ask this. What do the price ranges like e.g. 2-4 for portal magic system mean? You can spend the minimum of 2 essence for a barebones crappy product, up to the maximum of 4 for a deluxe model with all the bells and whistles? Or does it mean something else?A price check with a - means that it is random and rolled between those two numbers. 2-4E means that it could be 2,3, or 4 essence depending on how lucky you are with your rolls.
Also, we can't make the fullest use out of our available essence since we can't properly spend it on multiple stuff since the prices are random.
So annoying.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:08:19 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:09:52 pm
I can't draw and I don't have a scanner. I really don't see how a short 3-D crescent is stranger than a spiral. When part of the torus is closer to the fat part, it's summer. When it's on the other side, it's winter.What is with the fixation on seasons a couple of gods seem to have anyway? They don't really add anything significant imo.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:11:53 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:14:24 pm
I disagree. Partially because otherwise there's no real way to measure time.Why is measuring time important?
I mean for mortals. We have a god who does that.
Having civilizations where time is a very fluid concept seem like it'd be pretty interesting imo.
Also, if you want time measurement, a day night cycle would work better than seasons. Would be simple enough to set up. Have some plates orbiting the sun, casting a moving shadow over the torus as they circle around the sun.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 01:20:47 pm
Spoiler: Monster (click to show/hide)
Edit: I just thought that making it as a long strip would've been easier. I'll try to redo it that way.
Edit2: And also, I'll be able to make each potion larger, allowing to add stuff like oceans and mountains more easily.
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 01:21:42 pm
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I'll be honest. It's kind of annoying that the prices are somewhat random. No, very annoying. But ugh, fine. It makes calculating how much essence to give for group creations an absolute pain though, unless everyone has to contribute exactly the same equal amount of essence, meaning we can't specify "contribute 2 essence" or stuff like that, since we don't know what the actual price of the creation will be.
Also, we can't make the fullest use out of our available essence since we can't properly spend it on multiple stuff since the prices are random.
So annoying.
Ohwell. I will be sure to take that into consideration when/if I update the system.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:22:25 pm
Ah, but day/night means growth won't happen as quickly, whereas seasons mean there can be germination time, growing time, seeding time...I disagree. Partially because otherwise there's no real way to measure time.Why is measuring time important?
I mean for mortals. We have a god who does that.
Having civilizations where time is a very fluid concept seem like it'd be pretty interesting imo.
Also, if you want time measurement, a day night cycle would work better than seasons. Would be simple enough to set up. Have some plates orbiting the sun, casting a moving shadow over the torus as they circle around the sun.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:24:11 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:25:33 pm
Why is it necessary for growth to be divided up like that? Have it happen all at once in a riotous explosion of life.Ah, but day/night means growth won't happen as quickly, whereas seasons mean there can be germination time, growing time, seeding time...I disagree. Partially because otherwise there's no real way to measure time.Why is measuring time important?
I mean for mortals. We have a god who does that.
Having civilizations where time is a very fluid concept seem like it'd be pretty interesting imo.
Also, if you want time measurement, a day night cycle would work better than seasons. Would be simple enough to set up. Have some plates orbiting the sun, casting a moving shadow over the torus as they circle around the sun.
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 01:27:13 pm
Also, is that cost for a planet that can grow or just the addition of growth, Stirk?
Addition. Like I said, 1% growth is an absurd amount.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:32:21 pm
We have no idea how long a tick is. I figured a tick was about 20-80 years, and since it would be 1% mass, not surface area, I figured it would be slow enough. What about 0.1% then, per millenium?Also, is that cost for a planet that can grow or just the addition of growth, Stirk?
Addition. Like I said, 1% growth is an absurd amount.
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 30, 2015, 01:38:37 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:39:10 pm
I still fail why people want the growth when the world is efectively infinite.Well I'm the God of Growth, so I have an obligation...
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 30, 2015, 01:40:47 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:42:11 pm
So create a species of grass like plants that create mass as they decay. Bam, world is growing year to year.
Why not just make the world alive and growing directly, instead of breaking yet more laws of physics (:P)?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 01:42:30 pm
Spoiler: Pretty massive, even after scaling it down (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:43:58 pm
Also, I'd prefer the term "tropics" over "desert"
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 01:48:37 pm
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 01:49:16 pm
We have no idea how long a tick is. I figured a tick was about 20-80 years, and since it would be 1% mass, not surface area, I figured it would be slow enough. What about 0.1% then, per millenium?Also, is that cost for a planet that can grow or just the addition of growth, Stirk?
Addition. Like I said, 1% growth is an absurd amount.
I have no idea how long it will be either :-\. The first few ticks will probably take millennium, at least until we get sapient life in existence. The main problem with % based calculations is that they compound themselves. You aren't looking at a 100% increase after 100 centuries. The first is X (the planet) times 101%. Now you have a new planet with that total. So the next growth isn't just 1% of the original, it is slightly bigger. You would have doubled its mass by 70 centuries, tripled it by 110, quadrupled it by 140, X5 by 160, and then the intervals between adding the size of the original planet get smaller and smaller. Basically, since the planet's mass increases exponentially, it would work fine at a small number of centuries while becoming completely absurd at larger ones.
If you wanted a planet to grow just for the sake of growing, it would be significantly cheaper to do it linearly or do it with a more indirect mechanism.
$$$ANSWERS
.1% per millennium: 5-20E per earthsize. (Creation ETC)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:50:35 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 30, 2015, 01:56:55 pm
So create a species of grass like plants that create mass as they decay. Bam, world is growing year to year.
Why not just make the world alive and growing directly, instead of breaking yet more laws of physics (:P)?
Your option is basicly other gods paying to increase your influence on the world, whereas grass will be entirely yours.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 01:58:38 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 02:01:37 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 30, 2015, 02:02:16 pm
Some of the other gods are also desirous/appreciative of the growing feature though DreamerGhost
Which brings us back to me not understanding why.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 02:02:55 pm
*mumble mumble* new lands to explore! *waves hands vaguely* *mumble mumble*Some of the other gods are also desirous/appreciative of the growing feature though DreamerGhost
Which brings us back to me not understanding why.
I'd rather avoid any useless costs if possible, considering I will need a lot of essence to get started with my plans. I'd prefer the grass suggestion personally, since we won't have to pay for it, and it will probably be much cheaper than an expanding planet.Yeah, my life-bearing chitin moon is going to be expensive. I'll probably need to halve its size to make ends meet. Since I don't think anyone wants to help me make it?
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 02:03:33 pm
Rolepgeek, would you amenable to a long vertical rod sun, rather than a long vertical spiral sun?If that's the compromise we must come to, sure.
I mean, honestly, we can do seasons simply by making the torus orbit a point offset from the sun itself, and turn slowly.
Alright, Stirk, what about 1% of it's original size per millenium? How much would it cost as a linear growth?
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 02:06:13 pm
Planet-expanding grass: 5-6E to Create (A bit cheaper then the wolves, as they do not move on their own. Slowly grow planet.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on May 30, 2015, 02:07:41 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 02:08:23 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 02:10:18 pm
Stirk, do we have to specify that sapient creatures worship us, at additional essence cost, or is that included automagically when we create them, or what? How exactly do we get from Point A: "creating intelligent creatures" to Point B: "they start worshipping us"Probably feats that would make them want to worship you.
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 02:13:58 pm
Well, I did mean the GAME was complicated...
Eh, you have fifteen people willing to help you out if you need it :P. Most of us managed to play DF, after all.
Stirk, do we have to specify that sapient creatures worship us, at additional essence cost, or is that included automagically when we create them, or what? How exactly do we get from Point A: "creating intelligent creatures" to Point B: "they start worshipping us"
Sapient species automatically start worshiping their creator(s) with high worship quality. Over time, as the species grow, the quality will very. Other species will likely start worshiping you, while some sapients of the species you make will start worshiping other Gods. Worship is a quality inherent in mortal souls.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 02:56:42 pm
For example, "chitinball ants (placeholder name for my planned sapient ants), can only digest and metabolize the nectar produced by chitinballs"
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 03:03:21 pm
Stirk, could I add a dietary restriction to creatures to reduce their essence cost?
For example, "chitinball ants (placeholder name for my planned sapient ants), can only digest and metabolize the nectar produced by chitinballs"
Yes, any kind of weakness can lower the price. That would probably lower it by ~1E, since that is probably what they would have eaten anyway.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 03:05:35 pm
Well I was planning to spread chitinballs throughout the larger world, and with planned ants having the ability to make portals, and thus excellent mobility, they could range throughout most of the world to get food, and would have no real reason to stay near or in chitinballs. This is my way of trying to tie them down to the chitinballs.Stirk, could I add a dietary restriction to creatures to reduce their essence cost?
For example, "chitinball ants (placeholder name for my planned sapient ants), can only digest and metabolize the nectar produced by chitinballs"
Yes, any kind of weakness can lower the price. That would probably lower it by ~1E, since that is probably what they would have eaten anyway.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 30, 2015, 04:37:28 pm
Price check on a set of four large towers that direct sunlight as focused lasers against foes.
Price check on a sun, with two moderately sized planets with a moon each.
Price check on an Essence vault of sorts that can be used to save Essence outside of a god's body.
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 30, 2015, 04:42:58 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 04:43:49 pm
At what age will the mortal races start off? Medieval stasis? Bronze age? Neolithic age?I'm thinking Neolithic sounds right.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 04:54:27 pm
At what age will the mortal races start off? Medieval stasis? Bronze age? Neolithic age?I'm thinking Neolithic sounds right.
Makes sense, I don't see why they would be born with any technological knowledge. I suppose you could give them this knowledge yourself, but that would probably cost some additional essence.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 05:22:45 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 05:28:10 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 06:17:27 pm
Could you put our spheres next to our names inside parentheses? It would be helpful in knowing what spheres our gods have at a glance at least until we get used to them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Example (click to show/hide)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 06:19:47 pm
Could you put our spheres next to our names inside parentheses? It would be helpful in knowing what spheres our gods have at a glance at least until we get used to them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Example (click to show/hide)
I've already put a list of everyone's character sheet here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).
You could probably use that. That's what I do.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 06:21:09 pm
I've already put a list of everyone's character sheet here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).Yup, that's currently what I'm doing. I'd prefer not to have to visit an entirely different thread just to glance at the spheres of the god I'm talking to. Also, newbies would have trouble finding that post.
You could probably use that. That's what I do.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 06:26:52 pm
I've already put a list of everyone's character sheet here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).Also, newbies would have trouble finding that post.
You could probably use that. That's what I do.
That's actually a good point. Stirk, would you mind linking my list to the op? That might be useful for others.
Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 06:29:33 pm
$$$ANSWERS CONTINUED
Item specific Spirit: 6-8E (Not counting discount). 19th century guns may have to be invented first, to avoid having people with revolvers and Gatling guns cutting down sword wielding enemies. Angels and Gods can use any "tech level" of weapon at any time.
Immortal (granted to Mortal): 1-2E (includes advanced skills, no magic powers. Can still be slayed. Not counting discount.)
Immortal (directly made): 1-3E (includes advanced skills, more directly controlled then mortal, can still be slayed, not counting discount)
Mood changing comets: 2-3E
Ok, so some mortals simply have to have knowledge of guns (and have made at the very least a prototype) for this arms-dealer spirit to be useful?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 06:30:03 pm
Unwilling information uploads is a go?
$$$ANSWERS CONTINUED
Item specific Spirit: 6-8E (Not counting discount). 19th century guns may have to be invented first, to avoid having people with revolvers and Gatling guns cutting down sword wielding enemies. Angels and Gods can use any "tech level" of weapon at any time.
Immortal (granted to Mortal): 1-2E (includes advanced skills, no magic powers. Can still be slayed. Not counting discount.)
Immortal (directly made): 1-3E (includes advanced skills, more directly controlled then mortal, can still be slayed, not counting discount)
Mood changing comets: 2-3E
Ok, so some mortals simply have to have knowledge of guns (and have made at the very least a prototype) for this arms-dealer spirit to be useful?
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 06:32:05 pm
Ok, so some mortals simply have to have knowledge of guns (and have made at the very least a prototype) for this arms-dealer spirit to be useful?Considering we can create mortals with their thoughts wired (as default) in such a way that they worship us, it's entirely possible we could start them off with technological knowledge. I think I'll create humans with medieval tech in mind.
Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 06:35:14 pm
Unwilling information uploads is a go?
$$$ANSWERS CONTINUED
Item specific Spirit: 6-8E (Not counting discount). 19th century guns may have to be invented first, to avoid having people with revolvers and Gatling guns cutting down sword wielding enemies. Angels and Gods can use any "tech level" of weapon at any time.
Immortal (granted to Mortal): 1-2E (includes advanced skills, no magic powers. Can still be slayed. Not counting discount.)
Immortal (directly made): 1-3E (includes advanced skills, more directly controlled then mortal, can still be slayed, not counting discount)
Mood changing comets: 2-3E
Ok, so some mortals simply have to have knowledge of guns (and have made at the very least a prototype) for this arms-dealer spirit to be useful?
Almost. Whereas other gods curse mortals with a stonegaze or eternal torture in the stars, Mavnon makes them sell guns for cheap cheap prices.
Cursed mortal: Sacrifice a goat now, and get a shotgun free! Please. I need to meet my quota. The boss get's really pissed. If guns aren't your thing, commit your firstborn child to Mavnon, and we'll give ya your very own army of the undead without premium!
Post by: Stirk on May 30, 2015, 06:35:45 pm
I've already put a list of everyone's character sheet here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).Also, newbies would have trouble finding that post.
You could probably use that. That's what I do.
That's actually a good point. Stirk, would you mind linking my list to the op? That might be useful for others.
I did that a while ago, in the OP of this thread.
And now I am a hundred posts behind :'(.
Post by: Vgray on May 30, 2015, 06:38:26 pm
Price check for shapeshifting spirits of fire who bond to and protect hearths?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 06:40:41 pm
I've already put a list of everyone's character sheet here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).Also, newbies would have trouble finding that post.
You could probably use that. That's what I do.
That's actually a good point. Stirk, would you mind linking my list to the op? That might be useful for others.
I did that a while ago, in the OP of this thread.
And now I am a hundred posts behind :'(.
Didn't notice, thanks.
Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 06:44:44 pm
A device that transmits the arguments between gods into a single statue which broadcasts the arguments for surrounding listeners.
A small indestructible room on a planet that has a constant illusion enchantment controlled by Mavnon.
Price check the Mad Moon
Spoiler: Mad Moon (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 06:44:55 pm
Price check on Iliseth, Nilva, Gai-gen, and Uztot creating a solar system with a spherical sun, Earth-like planets with wildlife orbiting the sun, one Luna-like moon orbiting each of the planets, and a default reincarnation system that cycles sapient souls between the two worlds but as a default rather than enforced rule
Price check on a world-creation artifact powered by Power
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 06:51:52 pm
For reference, each point of Essence or two points of Power put into the Star-Seed nets you one vote. I get one extra vote to be used only in case of a tie, since I was the one who made it first.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 06:58:13 pm
Better get on it, boys.
For reference, each point of Essence or two points of Power put into the Star-Seed nets you one vote. I get one extra vote to be used only in case of a tie, since I was the one who made it first.
So is it going to choose the shape of the world or just the sun?
(And also, micelus, your text color makes it unreadable)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 06:58:45 pm
The sunBetter get on it, boys.
For reference, each point of Essence or two points of Power put into the Star-Seed nets you one vote. I get one extra vote to be used only in case of a tie, since I was the one who made it first.
So is it going to choose the shape of the world or just the sun?
Mmm. Unexpectedly heavy resistance to ripping holes in space. You'd think I was ripping holes in reality the way that lot are going on.
Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 07:32:22 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 07:33:32 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 30, 2015, 07:33:46 pm
Is my text colour still unreadable?It wasn't unreadable to begin with so *shrugs*
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 07:33:56 pm
Is my text colour still unreadable?Nope. I can read it fine.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 07:40:26 pm
Pricecheck on starting a reaction using power that would create a cylindrical sun after a delay of 1 tick (and also to see if it is possible).
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 08:21:16 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 08:34:52 pm
I'll be tracking votes, as well, to help Stirk, and to condense votes into what they really mean rather than technicalities to do with what we're calling it. If that's alright with everyone, that is? I'm guessing cylindrical and vertical rod can be assumed to be the same thing?
Star-Seed:
Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)
World-Seed:
Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)
If there turns out not to be enough for either one, I will spend what I have remaining up to and including my Crux, but no more than would leave me at 6/10 Crux.
Hope you people appreciate how much I'm spending to grow a world for you. Not gonna have enough to make any trees on it, for Voidssake.
EDIT: That reminds me. Vote on whether you want a crystal star that glows (no difference in cost or effectiveness, just aesthetics) or a giant shape of self-sustaining nuclear fire.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 08:40:02 pm
Hope you people appreciate how much I'm spending to grow a world for you. Not gonna have enough to make any trees on it, for Voidssake.The only thing that's required is making the world in a way that life can grow on it. Since this is the Creation Tick, we can expect life to have developed by the next Tick just as it has IRL.
What happens if a god worships another god?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 08:40:59 pm
Edit:(And yes, I'm very grateful. Without that we'd probably be spending the next few ticks arguing and making no progress whatsoever.)
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 08:41:57 pm
As a heads up to Rod Star-Supporters, Andres power has for the moment pushed the balance just over to Spherical Star. Which he did on purpose, I'm certain. Unless Ama meant Rod, but she said Torus so I dunno. When she clarifies I'll change it.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 08:45:06 pm
No matter what, life will be able to grow. The world won't evaporate and explode like you seem to think it will. For one thing, that's not fun, and for another, because we say so. :PI'm talking about any world.
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 08:50:54 pm
What happened while i was out? Sorry if I felt like I was ignoring. I was half asleep and then asleep.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 08:54:26 pm
I accidentally um.. Slept most of the day.
What happened while i was out? Sorry if I felt like I was ignoring. I was half asleep and then asleep.
I've been becoming the God of Getting Shit Done.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 08:56:00 pm
I accidentally um.. Slept most of the day.Izgamlo tried to break the universe. Mavnon made him back down by threatening his life.
What happened while i was out? Sorry if I felt like I was ignoring. I was half asleep and then asleep.
Isileth and Mavnon are having a friendly spar.
Uztot is insane.
Teburshe made a Star Seed where you can put Essence and Power in to turn it into a sun. The more Essence/Power you put into it the more you can affect its shape.
Teburshe made a World Seed. Same deal. Has overwhelming support for a toric (donut) shaped planet that wraps around the entire sun yet somehow costs barely more than a normal planet. (Bias? What bias?)
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 08:57:47 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
Example:
I have a planet. I want there to be light and warmth on it. Instead of saying "create a sun", all I have to do is say "permanently give it light and warmth" and there would be no difference, despite the light and warmth literally coming from nowhere.
EDIT: Even worse is that would actually be cheaper than creating a sun because I'm not paying for an object - only its effects. This is despite light and warmth generating on its own is physically impossible.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 09:08:47 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 09:12:39 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 09:15:22 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 09:17:04 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 09:26:57 pm
And your other argument doesn't make sense either....why would all large masses be toric? The sun isn't, and it's probably far larger than the planet. They take the shape we want them to take. Period. There's (divine) magic, Andres, and it's fully integrated into the way the universe works. It's not just an add-on. You're being very unsportsmanlike right now. Please stop.
EDIT: Also, Ama, so what's your vote for the shape of the STAR? Because that's separate from world-shape.
Post by: gman8181 on May 30, 2015, 09:28:11 pm
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 09:31:54 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 09:34:54 pm
For serious. Random costs are annoying and I think he's trying to replicate Ye Gods(which had a much less 'random' system, though I think it was less meant to be random and more meant to be 'you aren't quite sure EXACTLY how much it'll cost ahead of time' and 'it'll depend a little bit on circumstances/method' and 'no gaming the system you little shits'), but it's that game-breaking. Calm down.
Post by: micelus on May 30, 2015, 09:35:36 pm
Stirk, give Kapla a look. It has a very good creation system, I recommend modifying your current system so it makes sense. Kapla's power metric ratings makes sense for example.
That system was based off Ghazkull's Pantheon btw so I can't take full credit for it.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 10:16:47 pm
There's (divine) magic, Andres, and it's fully integrated into the way the universe works.Ah. I thought it was like in Ye Gods where if there was something blocking the way of a divine project (physics, for example), more Essence would be needed to surpass it. If physics plays second to divine will in this game, that's fine with me.
Oh god I'm assuming again. :'(
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 10:43:35 pm
Although I thought the same was true in Ye Gods and that Cim just took over Physics' job in that regard. But whatevs.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 10:48:18 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 10:50:37 pm
So why don't we just make the Wuldbringer Wolves? They can create the sun, the torus world, and whatever other world we want using Power. It would be much more efficient than making the sun and the worlds on our own.
Sure, and wait a week for it to get started.
And waste all the essence that's already been put into my seeds.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 10:52:19 pm
Since it's still the same Tick, it's entirely possible for you to cancel the creation of the Seeds. Also, why would we have to wait a week for the Wolves to get started?So why don't we just make the Wuldbringer Wolves? They can create the sun, the torus world, and whatever other world we want using Power. It would be much more efficient than making the sun and the worlds on our own.
Sure, and wait a week for it to get started.
And waste all the essence that's already been put into my seeds.
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 10:53:40 pm
Can always recon that.So why don't we just make the Wuldbringer Wolves? They can create the sun, the torus world, and whatever other world we want using Power. It would be much more efficient than making the sun and the worlds on our own.
Sure, and wait a week for it to get started.
And waste all the essence that's already been put into my seeds.
So why don't we just make the Wuldbringer Wolves? They can create the sun, the torus world, and whatever other world we want using Power. It would be much more efficient than making the sun and the worlds on our own.I second this idea~
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 10:54:44 pm
I second this idea~Suggest it. It's OOC for my god to do so.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:25:10 pm
Not doing it.
You guys want to make it and see how long it takes to do shit, go ahead.
Also Stirk already did that bit, so again, retcons won't be happening.
I think I might be making a proposal in the IC that anyone who doesn't donate Essence to the world and/or the sun doesn't get to use it.
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 11:33:24 pm
I think I might be making a proposal in the IC that anyone who doesn't donate Essence to the world and/or the sun doesn't get to use it.That proposal would be honorary and would fail. It's only honorary because there's no Council to enforce it and it will fail because most didn't work on making the planet.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:39:18 pm
I can probably just make it into a growth bomb if I tried, too, if people continue being obstinate.
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 11:40:07 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 11:43:01 pm
It literally only needs one essence?He's saying that if you put 1 Essence into stabilising the planet/sun, you'll be allowed to use them. They don't actually need the Essence to survive (except maybe the planet).
Post by: ~Neri on May 30, 2015, 11:45:02 pm
Post by: Andres on May 30, 2015, 11:46:21 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 30, 2015, 11:49:14 pm
And you think I can't.
Hey FArgHalfnr, want to turn the World-Seed into a bomb if it can't be a planet, since it has so much Power?
EDIT: By the way, I kinda find it hilarious/sad, since with my power so depleted I think of Teburshe in Old Man form, and meanwhile Nilva's bullying the old man, who's just rasping through his plans.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 30, 2015, 11:52:49 pm
though I find it somewhat...funny that...your views of Gods...are not subject to...progress?"
Edit: Nevermind. My brain just caught up. I should probably get some sleep soon.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 30, 2015, 11:53:52 pm
Although I thought the same was true in Ye Gods and that Cim just took over Physics' job in that regard. But whatevs.Cim did mess with physics (constantly; even the Doctor wouldn't have solved the tangle of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey warped space in the end), and did actively hinder certain actions by increasing cost, but the two things weren't related.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 12:20:03 am
Post by: Stirk on May 31, 2015, 12:31:41 am
Laser towers: 2-3E. More can be spent for more power. Includes sphere discount.
Sun:Same price as all combined -Solar system and any sphere bonuses, making it incredibly variable.
Essence Vault: (? ? ?)
At what age will the mortal races start off? Medieval stasis? Bronze age? Neolithic age?
Stone age unless there is a reason otherwise.
Makes sense, I don't see why they would be born with any technological knowledge. I suppose you could give them this knowledge yourself, but that would probably cost some additional essence.
Indeed, in the end it would be easier to let them develop it by themselves. However, if the majority of Gods agree on what the "tech level" the planet should be, it will be cheaper.
If a race is created on a planet that is already at a certain "tech level", they will generally possess the same technology unless there is a reason otherwise.
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Could you put our spheres next to our names inside parentheses? It would be helpful in knowing what spheres our gods have at a glance at least until we get used to them.
That is even more unsightly, but I will put a copy of it in the OOC where the reserved is. The one posted at each tick will still won't, because the numbers will change more. If I get overruled on this I am willing to change :P.
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Ok, so some mortals simply have to have knowledge of guns (and have made at the very least a prototype) for this arms-dealer spirit to be useful?
No, if you made the spirit it would be capable of granting any weapons that fit within the mortal's "tech level". If you built it at the beginning, it would be able to grant spears and rocks. After they develop swords, it will be able to gift them that. Etc, etc. It will be able to gift your special servants whatever you want to gift them, but they can't spread it.
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Considering we can create mortals with their thoughts wired (as default) in such a way that they worship us, it's entirely possible we could start them off with technological knowledge. I think I'll create humans with medieval tech in mind.
"Uploading" technical information into a race might have some side effects, such as difficulty advancing due to hardwired inventions being a natural part of them, but is possible.
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Price check for shapeshifting spirits of fire who bond to and protect hearths?
$$$ANSWERS CONT (If I mess up on price checking, it is because I am too tired. I reserve the right to change them at any time :P.)
Race of Hearth Spirits: 2-3E for 10K (assuming incorporeal)
Statue that argues with itself: 1E
Damage resistant Room with illusion:5-7E (Indestructible is impossible, unfortunately)
Mad moon: 45-65E
1 tick delay: No change for celestial bodies until after Creation.
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The only thing that's required is making the world in a way that life can grow on it. Since this is the Creation Tick, we can expect life to have developed by the next Tick just as it has IRL.
Creation will continue until I find it prudent to stop. Basically, once we have a planet capable of playing on.
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What happens if a god worships another god?
One God gets a big head. Not physically.
I accidentally um.. Slept most of the day.
What happened while i was out? Sorry if I felt like I was ignoring. I was half asleep and then asleep.
That sounds like a pleasant day. I really need to sleep more x_x.
Stirk. You need to rebalance the creation mechanics. Price is literally random. It makes no sense.
Yeah, I know :-\. I was pretty exhausted when I came down to the price decider and have zero experience GMing God Games. I will probably think on it during work next week and redo it when I have the time. I might see if I can get KJP's DMing notes.
PTW. Don't really have time to get involved for the foreseeable future but if things clear up and there's still free spots, I might hop in.
Would be glad to have you. Someone took all your sphere ideas though :P.
Andres/Rolepgeek conversation: More or less ignored for when I am a bit more awake.
Wow. Things went surprisingly intense for the first tick. Anyways, I'll be back tomorrow.
That they did :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 12:42:56 am
Post by: Stirk on May 31, 2015, 12:45:39 am
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One more question about the gun stuff. If I taught a group how to make guns (including the tech to make the components to make those guns), even though other mortals are 'below' in tech, would the arms-dealer spirit give them guns or swords?
It depends on how large the "Group" is. Basically the spirit is able to give out weapons that are standard use in the militaries of the planet.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 01:21:54 am
A moon, half the size of a standard moon, made from chitin. It is capable of sustaining life. A portal to the sun at the core of the moon provides it with the sustenance it uses to maintain itself and warms up the entire moon from within. It is riddled with caves, caverns and hollows. (I dropped the growing aspect for hopefully cheaper price as well as slashing the size basically).
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 02:01:19 am
"Uploading" technical information into a race might have some side effects, such as difficulty advancing due to hardwired inventions being a natural part of them, but is possible.So it's the stone age. After a few Ticks, they'll eventually get to medieval times. If I make humans at that time, would they only know how to do stone age stuff?
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 04:27:11 am
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 04:28:08 am
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 04:30:58 am
I noticed you missed two rules from the original Ye Gods code of conduct. :PI have no idea what you're talking about...
>.>
<.<
Which ones?None. He's just being silly. My code of conduct was entirely original.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 04:31:56 am
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 04:38:37 am
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 04:43:06 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 04:56:25 am
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 04:59:07 am
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 04:59:52 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 05:06:14 am
EDIT: Spherical profiling?
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:08:04 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 05:09:45 am
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 05:11:45 am
*Hides*
Blood pacts ring a bell?The profiling of spheres.
EDIT: Spherical profiling?
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:13:11 am
Yes, the blood pacts that were mainly used by bandits and assassins since nobody else had any reason to use them.One of the reasons I removed blood pacts. The bandit/assassin thing wasn't known until after the incidence, in any case.
The profiling of spheres.Dreadful thing. One of the Virtue Angels - played by the GM, no less - thought it was a habit of my god to drink gallons of blood a day when in reality, she hadn't drunk even a single drop of blood throughout her entire existence.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 05:25:23 am
Contribute 2E towards spiral sun and 2E towards torus world.Actually, we decided on going for a rodlike cylinder instead of a spiral. Please change to rodlike cylinder, since you're the only one voting for spiral and this will just cause instability in the sun construct.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:31:28 am
It would not cause instability. The shape of the sun is determined by first-past-the-post voting. The current instability only exists because of the Power put into it. Also, the sun should stabilise on its own easily enough.Contribute 2E towards spiral sun and 2E towards torus world.Actually, we decided on going for a rodlike cylinder instead of a spiral. Please change to rodlike cylinder, since you're the only one voting for spiral and this will just cause instability in the sun construct.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 05:33:01 am
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:38:18 am
I would prefer a spherical sun. A rod would just be ugly.IKR?
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 05:40:27 am
For example: Planet - Essense is used to create a bunch of dirt and rock and whatever else, Power is used to force it all into preffered shape (torus or ball) and to make sure that all pieces are where they should be, the ddistribution is equal (no glowing plutonum fields, aatmosphere of actual air, etc).
I would prefer a spherical sun. A rod would just be ugly.
It could had been a nice artistic spiral but a bunch nerds couldn't handle things that are not simple geometrical shapes.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:46:28 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 05:50:29 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 06:00:31 am
The shape of the sun is determined by first-past-the-post voting.Actually, we're using the approval voting at the moment, as you may have noticed from the several players who voted for more than one form acceptable to them..
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 06:28:32 am
Then the power will burn out with next tick, meaning that there is little reason to extract it.Good point.
Kinda. The "approval" system only refers to whether or not the world rotates if it's a toroid world. A spherical system would be preferred but if it's a toroid world, the world should be able to spin like a mobius strip.The shape of the sun is determined by first-past-the-post voting.Actually, we're using the approval voting at the moment, as you may have noticed from the several players who voted for more than one form acceptable to them..
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 10:47:11 am
Quote from: Lord_Lemonpie
Y'ALL NEED SEIZURES
For some reason this is absolutely hillarious to me.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 10:49:13 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 10:52:59 am
I also find it hilarious how concerned people are with aesthetics, myself included, when this game doesn't even really have pictures. Because no one can imagine anything looking good if they didn't think of it, apparently. :P
Edit: Also, how exactly does a mobius strip spin? Especially when it's a torus, and thus round?
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 10:57:01 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 11:02:58 am
A Möbius strip can be twisted around multiple times without breaking it, geometry or physics. Hold on a second... A strip can, but a torus can't. Heh. Well, we were going to break geometry anyway.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 11:17:00 am
But yeah, that was my point: You guys were just saying 'either do what I want or I'm not helping'. That's not a compromise. The people who didn't care for a day/night cycle probably could have handled it on their own(you know, if they bothered to try and donate), there seemed to be enough.
Teburshe is ambivalent on the issue. Growth/Shadow cycle versus constant growth.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 11:31:07 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 11:37:35 am
But yeah, that was my point: You guys were just saying 'either do what I want or I'm not helping'. That's not a compromise.The fact that all sides of the argument can pull that card forces them to compromise. A compromise is defined as something that is not quite what any side wanted, but contains enough traits from all sides for them to find it acceptable. Case in point: Mindfuck Torus. I don't think anyone actually prefers it over their main ideas, but I see few who reject it.
For the record, you can't actually retract essence from this. You put power in to help it grow, it grows. You can't undo it. That was the point of making it a seed that people put Essence into. It's not a 'promised donation' than you can rescind. It's power placed in. No take-backs. It's like a bidding war: you want more control, you put in more power.Point A: the action has not resolved yet, and can still be modified. Point B: I used the term 'chip in' for a reason, placing the resources into a pool to be put into the Seed later. Point C: a bidding war is a poor comparison, as in one of those only the highest bidder ends up paying.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 12:24:04 pm
Also, I really don't see how 'chip in' can be used to mean that.
Finally, retcons are a no-no. Seriously. If everyone can just take back their energy it defeats the point(aka getting shit done even if it results in some people being unhappy with the result).
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 12:38:22 pm
Also, I really don't see how 'chip in' can be used to mean that.To chip in: to contribute to a pool of resources (usually money) to be later used on a project.
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Finally, retcons are a no-no. Seriously. If everyone can just take back their energy it defeats the point(aka getting shit done even if it results in some people being unhappy with the result).Let's hear the GM on that. So far, DS/Izgamlo canceled his action to tear holes in reality, and Stirk allowed this when resolving actions. I agree that retcons are a bad thing, but I define that as changing an action that had already resolved. Canceling an action in the queue doesn't really count for me.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 01:09:53 pm
By the time the shape is decided on, you won't be able to put in more essence. It'll be done. Finished. Complete. So either you put in the full amount and get the full number of votes, or you don't, and it's less likely to be what you want it to be. No getting votes without putting in essence, no deciding after the fact.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 01:16:03 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 01:18:45 pm
Yes, once it's decided and made, there won't be any changes. However, gods know math. By counting the resources put in by others, one can calculate the value of their own contribution. Yes, due to the uncommon form of the Seed, actual 'votes' cast can't be reversed after the fact. However, verbal votes made can be, because no action has actually been done. And that is why I planned ahead in pooling instead of contributing immediately. Loopholes.
Yeah, IcyTea, from Teburshe's perspective, you're just being a dick.
Also sorta from mine. You're not the God of Order. Loopholes are you just taking advantage of the fact that I wouldfind it out of character to go back and seal up those holes at this point.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2015, 01:19:58 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 01:22:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 31, 2015, 01:23:16 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 01:34:59 pm
And I just now realized that realistically my god has no goals other than survival. Oops.
That was pretty much my case last time when I played the god of theft. Not sure what I could've done other than being annoying to everyone else in the long term.
Post by: DreamerGhost on May 31, 2015, 01:36:40 pm
And I just now realized that realistically my god has no goals other than survival. Oops.
Quote from: 4chan
>Not wanting to create a city spaning the universe built from literaly all matter
>lel
>pleb
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 02:37:39 pm
Yeah, IcyTea, from Teburshe's perspective, you're just being a dick.And mine, I admit. I've heard some compare and contrast god games with politics simulations. Just like in politics, ruthless dickery can be a necessity to get things done your way. I'm sorry for performing such a dick move, but I hope you understand it's just a game, and being a Magnificent Bastard is part of it. I wouldn't do things like this in real life, and I hope you can forgive me.
Also sorta from mine.
And I just now realized that realistically my god has no goals other than survival. Oops.Don't worry. My current to-do list is basically:
- Survive.
- Get lots of worship.
- Get rid of Lauxal, my nemesis.
- Mess around.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 02:43:15 pm
Survive.
Do weird shit.
Weird shit includes followers. If you think about it, it would be weird to have people worshiping your existance.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 02:44:41 pm
I just don't want to have to write a Voidsdamned contract in order to prevent this shit every time I do something.
I've already spent 90% of my Essence and 80% of my power getting this shit ready for you lot. Bloody hell.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 02:48:46 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on May 31, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
Survive
Make own race
Get some allies
Steal everyone's followers by being nice
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 03:09:47 pm
Survive.
Don't go more insane.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 04:01:27 pm
I'd expect it from Cim, but not from a god of Dreams.Spheric profile is bad. Judging someone's personality based on their sphere(s) is a very inaccurate way of doing so.
Iliseth's list:
Get followers
Create personal dimension+afterlife for followers
Isolate her godly soul
Weaponise her godly soul (by that I mean get soul-based magic)
Weaponise the souls of her followers (same as above)
Give everything - EVERYTHING - a soul
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 04:15:23 pm
Objection! KJP never said I pulled the number out of my ass, he was just expressing frustration over the fact that we were still arguing about a one-time case where a soul exploded. Proof. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5807003#msg5807003)QuoteDo souls have the same lethality/blast radius they had in Ye Gods? (3.736 metres killing radius/minimum blast radius)
KJP was pretty clear that you pulled that number out of your but ::).
EDIT: Sorry for double-post. Forgot to remove the words here and edit it into my previous one.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 04:19:18 pm
Avoid backstabbing and murder until recovery
Wait for essence to regenerate a bit
Create worshipers
Scientific progress
create miniature sun
More progress
maybe get rid of partonius if he becomes a problem/take care of anyone bothering me for no good reason
? ? ?
Profit!
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 05:51:50 pm
Yes, an abundance of space was one of the main reason why I pushed for a torus world. With a smaller spherical world, we would run into the problem of territorial conflict, as the amount of desirable space would be extremely limited. And do not worry about my plans, I have no interest in conflict. All I care for is progress, and war is nothing but a distraction from it.Hold on, if the reason why a torus world costs the same as a spherical one is because it has functionally the same usable space, why is Lithus saying that the point of the torus is to have increased space?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 06:39:29 pm
Post by: Pencil_Art on May 31, 2015, 06:42:41 pm
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 06:45:07 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 07:20:56 pm
Now I'm confused.A torus world costs as much Essence as a spherical world despite being large enough to go all the way around the sun. This is because despite its length, its narrowness makes it so it has the same usable space as a normal spherical world.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 31, 2015, 07:22:44 pm
I have completely and hopelessly fallen behind in both threads, so if anyone has a summary of anything important I should know that would be swell. Currently still slogging through the "So we're making a torus right/No toruses damn it" phases of the IC thread. The early ones, if that just kind of... keeps going.
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 07:27:47 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 07:28:07 pm
What have I signed up for.Izgamlo tried to break the universe. Mavnon made him back down by threatening his life.
I have completely and hopelessly fallen behind in both threads, so if anyone has a summary of anything important I should know that would be swell. Currently still slogging through the "So we're making a torus right/No toruses damn it" phases of the IC thread. The early ones, if that just kind of... keeps going.
Isileth and Mavnon are having a friendly spar.
Uztot is insane.
Teburshe made a Star Seed where you can put Essence and Power in to turn it into a sun. The more Essence/Power you put into it the more you can affect its shape.
Teburshe made a World Seed. Same deal.
The sun and the world are unstable, likely due to the Power put into them. The world is more unstable than the sun. We are stabilising both with Essence and everything should be fine by next Tick.
Someone used a crap-ton of Power and now a part of the void is void-ier.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267115#msg6267115
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267248#msg6267248
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 08:00:54 pm
And andres, I might have gotten a few things wrong. Sorry for the fake information, I'll try to correct it in a second.
What have I signed up for.heh, we're barely maybe coming close to an agreement for the shape of the world, and the argument for the sun isn't resolved yet. Rolepgeek kinda forced us to start funding both of those, so at least there was a bit of progress. We're currently voting with our essence on it. Last time I checked the torus world had an overwhelming majority while there was an almost equal amount of votes on both sides for the sun. A bunch of additional votes were added after so I have no idea if it's still true. Someone will have to count them again. Currently it seems we'll have a mobius torus clusterfuck thingy for a world and either a rod or a sphere for a sun.
I have completely and hopelessly fallen behind in both threads, so if anyone has a summary of anything important I should know that would be swell. Currently still slogging through the "So we're making a torus right/No toruses damn it" phases of the IC thread. The early ones, if that just kind of... keeps going.
I'm not sure why everyone is going mad about Izgamlo. To me he seemed to be just messing around, not trying to tear reality apart so I wouldn't be worried about that, especially since he stopped. That whole void thing is a bit worrying, however.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 08:22:01 pm
Spoiler: Spinning Mobius toroid world (click to show/hide)
EDIT: If the World Seed gets enough Essence put into it, will it generate two different planets or a moon? The Seed is meant only to make a relatively earth-sized planet (in terms of usable space) and the excess mass has to go somewhere, after all.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 08:38:40 pm
This hurts my brain.Spoiler: Spinning Mobius toroid world (click to show/hide)
EDIT: If the World Seed gets enough Essence put into it, will it generate two different planets or a moon? The Seed is meant only to make a relatively earth-sized planet (in terms of usable space) and the excess mass has to go somewhere, after all.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 08:40:22 pm
It literally gave me a mild headache. This is why I like spherical worlds better.This hurts my brain.Spoiler: Spinning Mobius toroid world (click to show/hide)
EDIT: If the World Seed gets enough Essence put into it, will it generate two different planets or a moon? The Seed is meant only to make a relatively earth-sized planet (in terms of usable space) and the excess mass has to go somewhere, after all.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 08:41:41 pm
Pricecheck for implanting stories/myths into 500< mortals.
Pricecheck for meeting 500< mortals and telling them stories and myths.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 08:45:46 pm
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 08:47:48 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 31, 2015, 08:49:36 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 08:50:11 pm
It's meant to grow, after all. Not split.
I never suggested a spinning torus world, Andres. :P Blame Aurrouseu.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 08:50:28 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 08:51:02 pm
The stories sound more economical than creating a new consciousness.The consciousness is immortal and can theoretically teach an infinite number of mortals. Infinity is a bigger number than 500. Said consciousness would cost <4E because it's an angel (4E) with a disadvantage.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 08:53:38 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 08:57:44 pm
The same can be accomplished with mortals; they will spread their stories just as in reality. I'll of course pick whichever is cheaper.The cheapest alternative is to go down and teach them yourself.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 09:09:35 pm
Post by: Stirk on May 31, 2015, 09:20:50 pm
I can tally up the votes again Stirk, if you'd like.
That would be nice, please do. I had just realized that I messed up on my sheet and had to start over :-\. Mostly because I put the full names down for the sheet and the abbreviated names for the spending, so I ended up doubling some people and forgetting others.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 09:26:35 pm
Star-Seed:
Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)
So we'll be having a Rod-Sun, which I think is rather obvious.. But what you lot really care about is...
World-Seed:
Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)
And guess who the tie breaker is?
But honestly, now I'm unsure which to vote for. Twisting torus kinda defeats the point, really. But for the sake of compromise, and because there are the votes that could go for either Sphere or Twistorus, Twisting Torus World it is.
Madness comes from being a geographer, here.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 09:34:34 pm
A spherical planet would make the most sense at this point, as would a spherical star.You didn't count Moi'aaty's vote towards a spherical world.
Contribute 4E towards a spherical sun and 4E towards a spherical world.
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 09:38:14 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 09:39:30 pm
EDIT: Also can you add a glow or something to your text Vgray? It's difficult to read at the moment.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 09:44:06 pm
EDIT: I can't read.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 09:48:14 pm
So I did. Whoops. Well, now it's a question of whether the spherical/twisting torus world people are going to settle for compromise of twisting torus, since if one were to count their votes for both twisting torus would win, or if they're going to shoot for spherical(and subsequently, very likely, gloat).Those who voted spherical/twisting torus (like myself) want a twisting torus only if spherical didn't win. Spherical won so we will not have a twisting torus or a torus of any kind.
Iliseth:3/10/10This is wrong. I should be at 6/9/10. I spent 4 Essence voting on the sun and 1 Essence voting on the world. I spent 4 Power voting on the sun. Then add in the Essence and Power I gained this Tick.
Only two instances of me using Essence:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6266677#msg6266677
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267205#msg6267205
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 09:48:29 pm
(Alright, I fixed this for next time :P. If I did anything wrong, please tell me. *Everyone gained 1E and 3P this tick, if you believe my math is off just inform me. *One person gained 2E)[/spoiler]I don't gain essence from having 10k worshipers?
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(Izgamlo -9E, -5C)Also, if it isn't too much trouble, I'd prefer if this was broken down into how much I spent on each action. I'd also prefer that happen in future ticks.
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 09:50:09 pm
How's this?
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 09:51:26 pm
I wasn't aware it was hard to read. Hm.It was fine before.
How's this?
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 09:51:38 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 09:51:55 pm
Personally I would prefer if micelus changed their color a bit so it was less eyesearing.+1
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 09:54:20 pm
So I did. Whoops. Well, now it's a question of whether the spherical/twisting torus world people are going to settle for compromise of twisting torus, since if one were to count their votes for both twisting torus would win, or if they're going to shoot for spherical(and subsequently, very likely, gloat).Those who voted spherical/twisting torus (like myself) want a twisting torus only if spherical didn't win. Spherical won so we will not have a twisting torus or a torus of any kind.Iliseth:3/10/10This is wrong. I should be at 6/9/10. I spent 4 Essence voting on the sun and 1 Essence voting on the world. I spent 4 Power voting on the sun. Then add in the Essence and Power I gained this Tick.
Only two instances of me using Essence:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6266677#msg6266677
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267205#msg6267205
I voted for the twisting clusterfuck only because I thought
Edit: chosed a better choice of words to explaing what I wanted to say.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 09:54:41 pm
Better idea.Personally I would prefer if micelus changed their color a bit so it was less eyesearing.+1
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 09:56:37 pm
You aren't on Darkling.I wasn't aware it was hard to read. Hm.It was fine before.
How's this?
It's a little better.
Would this be okay for you to use, maybe?
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 09:58:27 pm
You aren't on Darkling.That's too close to my colour scheme and most people here don't use Darkling.
It's a little better.
Would this be okay for you to use, maybe?
I voted for the twisting clusterfuck only because I thought it would be more likely to win as a compromise. Does that mean that I get to put my votes back on the torus? That would be only fair if you start backtracking.Your votes were cast and you cannot change them. This isn't backtracking where the votes get changed - this is simply making sure the votes get counted as they were cast.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 10:02:01 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 10:04:42 pm
I'm starting to wonder if the whole idea was suggested to split the votes.If it was (and I doubt it was), then it was a legitimate IC plot.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 10:06:02 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:22:53 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on May 31, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:25:02 pm
Psshaw, this is way more awesome than a boring old sphere.Oh I'm not complaining, but I'd be crying tears of blood if I invested essence and then parts of the planet promptly exploded.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 10:26:02 pm
Nilva's internally going "Exploooooosioooon! Yeeeeeees!"Psshaw, this is way more awesome than a boring old sphere.Oh I'm not complaining, but I'd be crying tears of blood if I invested essence and then parts of the planet promptly exploded.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:31:27 pm
Well yes, Izgamlo too. Explosions are pretty!Nilva's internally going "Exploooooosioooon! Yeeeeeees!"Psshaw, this is way more awesome than a boring old sphere.Oh I'm not complaining, but I'd be crying tears of blood if I invested essence and then parts of the planet promptly exploded.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 10:33:00 pm
You know, I could have changed Teburshe's votes to twisting torus. Only reason I didn't is that IC he was asleep. So if you really want to play the 'it was okay though' card....I'm starting to wonder if the whole idea was suggested to split the votes.If it was (and I doubt it was), then it was a legitimate IC plot.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 10:34:28 pm
Well, at least asteroid belts make sense from a physics point of view.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:37:33 pm
The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 10:38:02 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 10:45:16 pm
I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:47:05 pm
I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them at the tick 2 transition because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 10:53:02 pm
We are in Tick 2. You'll get your income at the end of Tick 2, i.e. when Tick 3 comes around.I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them during tick 2 because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:55:38 pm
My problem is I made the worshippers in Tick 1. But will only get income from them when tick 2 ends and tick 3 begins.We are in Tick 2. You'll get your income at the end of Tick 2, i.e. when Tick 3 comes around.I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them during tick 2 because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 31, 2015, 10:56:29 pm
Izgamlo tried to break the universe. Mavnon made him back down by threatening his life.
Isileth and Mavnon are having a friendly spar.
Uztot is insane.
Teburshe made a Star Seed where you can put Essence and Power in to turn it into a sun. The more Essence/Power you put into it the more you can affect its shape.
Teburshe made a World Seed. Same deal.
The sun and the world are unstable, likely due to the Power put into them. The world is more unstable than the sun. We are stabilising both with Essence and everything should be fine by next Tick.
Someone used a crap-ton of Power and now a part of the void is void-ier.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267115#msg6267115
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267248#msg6267248
heh, we're barely maybe coming close to an agreement for the shape of the world, and the argument for the sun isn't resolved yet. Rolepgeek kinda forced us to start funding both of those, so at least there was a bit of progress. We're currently voting with our essence on it. Last time I checked the torus world had an overwhelming majority while there was an almost equal amount of votes on both sides for the sun. A bunch of additional votes were added after so I have no idea if it's still true. Someone will have to count them again. Currently it seems we'll have a mobius torus clusterfuck thingy for a world and either a rod or a sphere for a sun.Thanks.
I'm not sure why everyone is going mad about Izgamlo. To me he seemed to be just messing around, not trying to tear reality apart so I wouldn't be worried about that, especially since he stopped. That whole void thing is a bit worrying, however.
Aaaaand now we have... some of a cratered torus world around a rod-sun, I guess?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 10:57:03 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 10:57:52 pm
Thanks.It's not a torus anymore, since parts of it exploded. IIRC there's three main chunks left that are orbiting the sun.
Aaaaand now we have... some of a cratered torus world around a rod-sun, I guess?
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 10:58:54 pm
Lithus/Luthus is pretty pissed off after that whole cooperative debacle :v.Nilva just enjoyed the pyrotechnics. Would be rather annoyed if there was a perfectly functional world around an ugly rodsun. But the fact that explosions happened changed her outlook considerably.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 10:59:06 pm
I guess you have a point.My problem is I made the worshippers in Tick 1. But will only get income from them when tick 2 ends and tick 3 begins.We are in Tick 2. You'll get your income at the end of Tick 2, i.e. when Tick 3 comes around.I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them during tick 2 because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 31, 2015, 11:17:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/aSWwUDO.png)
Price check on roughly van-sized spacefaring armored tentacled things with impressive mental abilities and a hunger for knowledge and power. Yes I realize there's no stars except the one right now.
Lithus/Luthus is pretty pissed off after that whole cooperative debacle :v.Well yeah. We managed to get almost all of the gods to contribute good amounts of energy to a joint project, and got exactly what you'd expect from committee thinking. That's pretty obnoxious.
It's not a torus anymore, since parts of it exploded. IIRC there's three main chunks left that are orbiting the sun.Ah, thanks.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 11:18:17 pm
$$$That thing is adorable. Can I have three as pets?
(http://i.imgur.com/aSWwUDO.png)
Price check on roughly van-sized spacefaring armored tentacled things with impressive mental abilities and a hunger for knowledge and power. Yes I realize there's no stars except the one right now.Lithus/Luthus is pretty pissed off after that whole cooperative debacle :v.Well yeah. We managed to get almost all of the gods to contribute good amounts of energy to a joint project, and got exactly what you'd expect from committee thinking. That's pretty obnoxious.It's not a torus anymore, since parts of it exploded. IIRC there's three main chunks left that are orbiting the sun.Ah, thanks.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:19:01 pm
$$$That thing looks pretty great! And actually, I made a belt of asteroids that glow to serve as knockoff stars, so those are probably them.
(http://i.imgur.com/aSWwUDO.png)
Price check on roughly van-sized spacefaring armored tentacled things with impressive mental abilities and a hunger for knowledge and power. Yes I realize there's no stars except the one right now.
Post by: micelus on May 31, 2015, 11:20:47 pm
I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them at the tick 2 transition because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Are they actually worshipers? From what I can tell they're only sapient ants.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:21:28 pm
Per Stirk, any sapient creatures you create automatically worship you.I made worshippers. But I don't get essence income from them at the tick 2 transition because creation stuff wasn't finished resolving yet.I'm confused. What's going on here?The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose.So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Are they actually worshipers? From what I can tell they're only sapient ants.
Post by: Stirk on May 31, 2015, 11:24:00 pm
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So it's the stone age. After a few Ticks, they'll eventually get to medieval times. If I make humans at that time, would they only know how to do stone age stuff?
No, if a new race is introduced to medieval times it will also be in medieval times. Presumably, they can learn easily when everyone surrounding them has the tech, and the God would be able to easily transfer the technologies between them.
More arguments: I will try my best to not take a side :-\.
Goals: I think there is enough conflict that goals will appear organically :P.
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Objection! KJP never said I pulled the number out of my ass, he was just expressing frustration over the fact that we were still arguing about a one-time case where a soul exploded. Proof.
He pretty much did ::).
Are there still spots?
Yes, come on in!
What have I signed up for.
I have completely and hopelessly fallen behind in both threads, so if anyone has a summary of anything important I should know that would be swell. Currently still slogging through the "So we're making a torus right/No toruses damn it" phases of the IC thread. The early ones, if that just kind of... keeps going.
I know this feeling very well x_x.
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I have a question. If we end up giving more power than required to the planet or sun seed, will they be bigger?
More power for creation has a variable effect, depending on what is desired. Ill try to avoid putting it directly what any excess power did or didn't do to the planets :P.
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EDIT: If the World Seed gets enough Essence put into it, will it generate two different planets or a moon? The Seed is meant only to make a relatively earth-sized planet (in terms of usable space) and the excess mass has to go somewhere, after all.
More essence would make the planet larger, unless it was specified that that is the effect of extra essence.
$$$ANSWERS
Implanting myths: 0-1E/P for simple, non-behavior modifying myths.
Just telling myths to mortals: Free. Presumably, you can tell enough of them that they would spread the myths to anyone who hasn't heard it.
Does this mean IronyOwl/Ra Ha Sahaka is going to be punished for being dormant? Thought I'd ask.
Honestly I feel more like rewarding dormant members with this workload :P. Non-jokingly, no. There is no plans to input any additional penalties to being inactive.
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I don't gain essence from having 10k worshipers?
You created them this tick, so not immediately. You will start to receive their Worship bonus next tick.
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Also, if it isn't too much trouble, I'd prefer if this was broken down into how much I spent on each action. I'd also prefer that happen in future ticks.
It is. I put the amount spent after the action. Putting them into the sun/planet seed was easier to put in the same group for me, since the majority of users put them both into a single post. It was the same for that, since you made three things at once it was easier to put them all together. In this case it was (8E) for the moon, 1E 2C (ants), 3C(asteroids) (14 energy total).
So you resolve income first and then finish up all the creation stuff? That's... super fucking annoying to be honest. Like, I'm actually pretty angry right now.
Actually the ant-thing was a miss speak. This was supposed to happen before the ants where created, since the ants require a sun to exist and there would be problems having them exist for the numerous millenniums that it would take to form the planet. The dust mentioned where supposed to come from the planet exploding, for example. However due to the amount of work incoming from the strange voting thing meant that I couldn't figure out what shapes they where supposed to be, meaning I had to put off its creation until I figured it out. The shape seems to be completely vital to the majority of players here, after all :P. If something like that makes you angry, then you will be completely enraged just a few ticks into the game.
My problem is I made the worshippers in Tick 1. But will only get income from them when tick 2 ends and tick 3 begins.
Oh, is that what you meant? Because that isn't what is happening. Worship isn't a static number. It is something that is built up over the tick, being harvested. Think of it like a farm, they have to make plants to be harvested. You bought the farm on tick 1, but no plants have grown yet, because they have only existed for part of a tick. From tick 2 to 3, they are generating enough Worship to create essence. Anything they can manage at the end of the tick simply isn't enough for a single point of essence.
$$$ANSWERS CONT
Smart space tentacles: 8-9E for 10K (not counting sphere bonuses). 7-8E for 10K with. Subject to change.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:24:59 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 31, 2015, 11:27:06 pm
That thing is adorable. Can I have three as pets?Sure, why not.
That thing looks pretty great! And actually, I made a belt of asteroids that glow to serve as knockoff stars, so those are probably them.Thanks, and I mean yes, of course, I meant that all along! :3
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 11:27:54 pm
Well now that you gave me the idea~That thing is adorable. Can I have three as pets?Sure, why not.The odds that I was going to dress them in frilly ribbons was nonzero anyway.That thing looks pretty great! And actually, I made a belt of asteroids that glow to serve as knockoff stars, so those are probably them.Thanks, and I mean yes, of course, I meant that all along! :3
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:30:17 pm
Isn't that pretty much slavery?That thing is adorable. Can I have three as pets?Sure, why not.The odds that I was going to dress them in frilly ribbons was nonzero anyway.
Post by: Stirk on May 31, 2015, 11:31:29 pm
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I just noticed that while the description says the "planet" is habitable to life, it doesn't say if there is life at the moment. Stirk, does the planet have any life on it or do we have to make some? Also, did you get the part where I said my energy count was wrong?
As a habitable planet, it is currently growing mundane plants. No wildlife exists yet. If anyone has any ideas for interesting but mundane plants, now would be the time to add them. Ants exist in the moon.
And no, I didn't.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 11:32:47 pm
Not if you alter their minds juuust slightly so they like ribbons and do it of their own free will~Isn't that pretty much slavery?That thing is adorable. Can I have three as pets?Sure, why not.The odds that I was going to dress them in frilly ribbons was nonzero anyway.
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:33:10 pm
Iliseth:3/10/10This is wrong. I should be at 6/9/10. I spent 4 Essence voting on the sun and 1 Essence voting on the world. I spent 4 Power voting on the sun. Then add in the Essence and Power I gained this Tick.
Only two instances of me using Essence:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6266677#msg6266677
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6267205#msg6267205
$$$
Price check on filling the rest of the world with Earth-like animals
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:33:19 pm
Oh, okay, that's fine, as long as it is consistently applied to the rest of the created races as well. The chief source of my anger was the welling suspicion in my gut that any races created this turn would get their first "worship essence harvest" exactly the same time I got my first one.QuoteI don't gain essence from having 10k worshipers?
You created them this tick, so not immediately. You will start to receive their Worship bonus next tick.My problem is I made the worshippers in Tick 1. But will only get income from them when tick 2 ends and tick 3 begins.
Oh, is that what you meant? Because that isn't what is happening. Worship isn't a static number. It is something that is built up over the tick, being harvested. Think of it like a farm, they have to make plants to be harvested. You bought the farm on tick 1, but no plants have grown yet, because they have only existed for part of a tick. From tick 2 to 3, they are generating enough Worship to create essence. Anything they can manage at the end of the tick simply isn't enough for a single point of essence.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 31, 2015, 11:36:27 pm
Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?
Not if you alter their minds juuust slightly so they like ribbons and do it of their own free will~Which is its own brand of I'm sorry I can't hear you complaining about morality over the sound of me forging the very heavens.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 11:36:41 pm
Saplings are vaguely humanoid plant-like creatures with the ability to change/adapt their growth. They can eat meat or vegetable matter, as well as 'rooting' to gain sustenance from sunlight/other powerful light sources, which they do for most of the day, as a form of 'sleeping'. They have good night vision, and are primarily nocturnal for the reason of needing to root during the day. They are slower, sturdier, and slightly stronger than humans, and both live longer and think slightly slower, on a longer timescale. Finally, they have a special relationship with the Great Trees that are their home. All Saplings are 'male'. All Great Trees are 'female'. While the Saplings can live away from the Great Trees, they (mostly) cannot reproduce without them. New Saplings effectively bud from 'womb-flowers', which are pollinated by the Saplings. Other creatures could theoretically serve as pollinators, but it has not been observed to happen, and it would still just produce Saplings. Most Saplings, once mature, stand between 7 to 10 feet tall, and weigh between 200 to 450 pounds. Their skin is similar to wood or bark, and can vary greatly, though it tends to be similar to the bark of the tree they were born of. The 'womb-flowers'(as there are many kinds of flower upon a Great Tree) of the Great Tree also happen to maintain genetic diversity, even though they come from the same Great Tree. How, few are quite sure. Saplings usually have vines, flowers, or leaves for a 'hair' analogue, though it is not restricted or necessarily on their head, especially as they are not always humanoid in form.
Great Trees can reproduce to make other Great Trees, but it is a supremely rare occurrence. After all, every Great Tree has a divine spark of Power within it, blessed by their god. To ensure the Tree's survival while it grows, which can take centuries before it reaches maturity, a community of Saplings will accompany the seed on what amounts to a Holy Mission. This seems to be one of the few circumstances that can enable Saplings to seemingly reproduce on their own, in order to provide protection to the growing Great Tree. Some theorize Great Trees to be sentient or even sapient, given their ability to adapt to stimuli, and defend themselves and their charges.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 11:37:05 pm
stirk: Do you have any preferences for how detailed we make our creations?Nilva isn't necessarily moral~
Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?Not if you alter their minds juuust slightly so they like ribbons and do it of their own free will~Which is its own brand of I'm sorry I can't hear you complaining about morality over the sound of me forging the very heavens.
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 11:38:08 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:38:37 pm
stirk: Do you have any preferences for how detailed we make our creations?This gives me a idea! Andres, you should get on making a creation that spits out a continuous stream of blank souls. Solve the soul shortage, be the hero! The hero we all wish we could be!
Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 31, 2015, 11:39:37 pm
Lithus/Luthus is pretty pissed off after that whole cooperative debacle :v.Well yeah. We managed to get almost all of the gods to contribute good amounts of energy to a joint project, and got exactly what you'd expect from committee thinking. That's pretty obnoxious.
That's how I decided to make him, I'm not angry myself. He's mostly concerned over the fact that the time and energy spent arguing and trying to fix the star and world could've been spent better. That and I've made him pretty hot-headed.
Post by: Pencil_Art on May 31, 2015, 11:41:10 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on May 31, 2015, 11:41:48 pm
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:42:10 pm
I'm pretty sure that all creatures - non-sentient, sentient, and sapient - come with souls when created or born by default. If not, I'll be able to tell soon enough.stirk: Do you have any preferences for how detailed we make our creations?This gives me a idea! Andres, you should get on making a creation that spits out a continuous stream of blank souls. Solve the soul shortage, be the hero! The hero we all wish we could be!
Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:44:33 pm
Plants who grow mirrors around them to additional sunlight onto their main photosynthesizing leaves & stalk.QuoteI just noticed that while the description says the "planet" is habitable to life, it doesn't say if there is life at the moment. Stirk, does the planet have any life on it or do we have to make some? Also, did you get the part where I said my energy count was wrong?
As a habitable planet, it is currently growing mundane plants. No wildlife exists yet. If anyone has any ideas for interesting but mundane plants, now would be the time to add them.
"Vampire" Vines that root themselves in the trunks of tree, growing their roots into the heartwood of the true, sucking up all available nutrients and sap to feed themselves, causing the tree to wither and die.
Aquatic plants that grow on the surface on water. During their adolescent phase they grow specialized sail leaves which drop off after a few weeks/months, to help them spread and propagate themselves across the sea/ocean/lake.
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 11:45:05 pm
I just realized I forgot to mention if they're sentient or sapient. Does them being sapient increase their cost?
Although I should probably save the sapience for a species that can reproduce...
Then again, if Azem's Gem Dragons could reproduce...
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:46:08 pm
I just realized I forgot to mention if their sentient or sapient. Does them being sapient increase their cost?If you want them to worship you, make them sapient. If you want them to be sapient, they'll cost more. Just like Ye Gods.
Although I should probably save the sapience for a species that can reproduce...
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:46:49 pm
Yes? My point was propagating a species is just as expensive as creating them because you have to make their souls too. If there's a stream of blank souls to use instead that should probably drop the price of propagation.I'm pretty sure that all creatures - non-sentient, sentient, and sapient - come with souls when created or born by default. If not, I'll be able to tell soon enough.stirk: Do you have any preferences for how detailed we make our creations?This gives me a idea! Andres, you should get on making a creation that spits out a continuous stream of blank souls. Solve the soul shortage, be the hero! The hero we all wish we could be!
Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 11:50:36 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 31, 2015, 11:52:22 pm
Hm. How many toes would be stepping on if I gave dying mortals the choice to become Hearth Keepers?I'd be okay with it, though I'd prefer if you asked this question IC.
"These ants of yours interest me Izgalmo...if only for their status as Creation's first form of life. In all other respects, they seem dull. Their follow their senses and do as needed for their colonies. They have great minds, but little to do with them. I do believe some change is in order."This is somewhat irritating though. If only because a quarter is too big a part of the population for a ruling caste. Micelus, could I convince you to make the fraction turned into Archons smaller?
Use Essence to create to transform a quarter of Ant Drones into Archons. In form, Archons are twice the size of a drone and each are marked by bluish chitin. An Archon is able to produce pheromones that unlike other ants, allows him full control over the Colony. Archons will continue to spread their rule until they come into conflict with another Archon's realm; Conflict or Peace will ensue depending on the whims of the Archon. Archons will attempt to impose their views on their populace. As is, all original Archons are aware of Mavnon and Izgalmo.
Also, as for them not having anything to do with their minds A) More time to worship me and B) I was planning to give them portal magic next turn.
Oh well *shrugs*
Post by: Andres on May 31, 2015, 11:54:53 pm
Yes? My point was propagating a species is just as expensive as creating them because you have to make their souls too. If there's a stream of blank souls to use instead that should probably drop the price of propagation.First up, I'm pretty sure he was talking about temporarily increasing the amount of sex which should do nothing but increase the population. As for blank souls, I can certainly create some under three conditions.
The first condition is that the souls have to be made in bulk so that any discount I create can be large enough to be worth it.If you want to make 1E worth of creatures, it's best not to ask me.
The second condition is that I want a small fee for my services: 1E per 1E saved up to a maximum of 3E. If the Essence saved from using my services is 1E or less, there will be no fee.
The third is that the creatures must know of me and must send a modest amount of worship towards me.
Hm. How many toes would I be stepping on if I gave dying mortals the choice to become Hearth Keepers?I'd be annoyed.
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Oh, okay, that's fine, as long as it is consistently applied to the rest of the created races as well. The chief source of my anger was the welling suspicion in my gut that any races created this turn would get their first "worship essence harvest" exactly the same time I got my first one.
No, as a product everyone will start getting essence the tick after they are created. If Andres does create his humans this tick, he won't get the bonus until next one.
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stirk: Do you have any preferences for how detailed we make our creations?
I personally like reading about detailed creations, but don't have any real preference. I would personally prefer it if everyone made their creations as detailed as they want, since they aren't my creations after all.
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Also, to clarify: Spreading life is difficult for some reason? Is that because there's not enough souls to go around or what? Could I use Power to encourage living things to get busy, for instance?
I don't believe I said that, and didn't really mean to suggest it. Creating creatures is linear because what you are doing is directly creating the beings yourself. Cleverly using energy in a way like that is possible, and it is possible to do things like increase birthrate in their creations.
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Including Earth-like (or otherwise mundane) wildlife:+5E
So 5E.
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This is wrong. I should be at 6/9/10. I spent 4 Essence voting on the sun and 1 Essence voting on the world. I spent 4 Power voting on the sun. Then add in the Essence and Power I gained this Tick.
I see, I mixed up the power and 1 essence spending. Fixed.
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This gives me a idea! Andres, you should get on making a creation that spits out a continuous stream of blank souls. Solve the soul shortage, be the hero! The hero we all wish we could be!
Are you sure that making blank souls for mortals is a good idea :P?
Plants: If you want to make them IC, go ahead. Someone (maybe me :P) should probably start making a list of all the creations.
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Sheet incoming.
Go ahead and start playing once it is done, I am going to sleep soon. Work tomorrow morning.
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I just realized I forgot to mention if they're sentient or sapient. Does them being sapient increase their cost?
If unspecified for something like this, I assume sapient. Basically, here, Sapient=human like sentient=Animal like non-sentient=puppet like. I also assumed they could reproduce, lets just not worry about the mechanisms :P.
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Name: 'Sevron
Spheres: Time and Life
Primary form/associated symbol: He appears as a towering, humanoid stone being with piercing red eyes, his substance worn with age, with his symbol being a weathered stone.
Description/Background: This god is the recorder of all things, and a lesser creator of Life. He has seen many things, and will see many more. He is familiar with paradoxes and time-dilation. He is a fervent believer in every living thing's right to exist, and has seen too many things die. He does, however, also believe that he should be the only one to modify his (living) creations.
Accepted.
Alright, bedtime. Starting to effect my writing anyway.
Post by: ~Neri on May 31, 2015, 11:58:13 pm
Hm. How many toes would I be stepping on if I gave dying mortals the choice to become Hearth Keepers?Be perfectly fine with it. So long as they retain their original minds and don't have loyalties changed.
Post by: Vgray on May 31, 2015, 11:59:31 pm
Although speaking of that, I wonder how much nature overlap there will be between our followers? The shared sphere thing and all.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 12:00:36 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 12:00:45 am
Who was talking about that? I was talking about Stirk saying using essence to propogate a species is just as expensive as creating them because you have to make their souls.Yes? My point was propagating a species is just as expensive as creating them because you have to make their souls too. If there's a stream of blank souls to use instead that should probably drop the price of propagation.First up, I'm pretty sure he was talking about temporarily increasing the amount of sex which should do nothing but increase the population.
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As for blank souls, I can certainly create some under three conditions.You seem to be interested in making batch orders of souls. That wasn't what I was talking about. I was thinking some sort of "soul volcano" that constantly spews out a small steady supply of souls. It'd seem the sort of thing you're god would like to make since she has a soul fetish.
The first condition is that the souls have to be made in bulk so that any discount I create can be large enough to be worth it.If you want to make 1E worth of creatures, it's best not to ask me.
The second condition is that I want a small fee for my services: 1E per 1E saved up to a maximum of 3E. If the Essence saved from using my services is 1E or less, there will be no fee.
The third is that the creatures must know of me and must send a modest amount of worship towards me.
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Plants: If you want to make them IC, go ahead. Someone (maybe me :P) should probably start making a list of all the creations.Uh what? That'd cost essence though? You said we could suggest some ordinaryish plants that exist in the world. Are my suggestions not mundane enough?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 01, 2015, 12:10:28 am
Hm. How many toes would I be stepping on if I gave dying mortals the choice to become Hearth Keepers?
That's something you'd need to ask individual permissions for, I think. I wouldn't want that to happen to my creation personally.
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I've put your sheet in the character list here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325) (adding a link here just in case you missed it in the op. You might find it useful if you want to get a better idea of who everyone is playing as).
Post by: Pencil_Art on June 01, 2015, 12:12:04 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 01, 2015, 12:16:30 am
Price (and possibility) check on moving a lot of the shards of the planet to a group, which I assume could be done with power, and making the area habitable by adding a suitable atmosphere and plants.
Price check on adding some kind of force to each of these flying chunks, allowing them to keep flying, but preventing stuff on it from flying away.
This is supposed to create a lot of flying islands like these (http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/346/6/9/floating_islands_by_peterprime-d6xokq2.png)
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Post by: IcyTea31 on June 01, 2015, 12:37:55 am
$$$If you mention this plan IC, Aurosseu might or might not be interested in helping you.
Price check on roughly van-sized spacefaring armored tentacled things with impressive mental abilities and a hunger for knowledge and power. Yes I realize there's no stars except the one right now.
By the way, how exactly did/do angels work? I figure that's more down my alley than all this race/world creating nonsense.Create powerful, immortal beings that serve you. That's about it. They can be pretty much any shape or form, have any powers you can afford, and be as loyal as you want them to, though less loyal ones seemed to be slightly more powerful than more servant-like ones in YG. Using angels, you can get things done without paying (as much) resources. If mortals worship your angels, you get the resources unless you decide otherwise.
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 12:53:53 am
Maybe. I have no idea how the rules work.
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Pricecheck on my Ritual Stones: human child-sized conical sculptures, the Ritualstones convert nearby biomass into wealth, knowledge or spears (which are invented by the Ritualstones since humans don't have that technology yet). What constitutes 'wealth' depends on what the applicant currently considers wealth. Knowledge is sourced from any written text on the Torus Worlds. Everyone who offers biomass to the Ritualstone is also signing a Pact with Mavnon.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 12:54:23 am
Post by: Andres on June 01, 2015, 12:58:04 am
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 01:05:06 am
$$$That's pretty much it. Feel free to overreact IC though.
Price check for shapeshifting spirits of fire who bond to and protect hearths?
Post by: Andres on June 01, 2015, 01:17:58 am
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 01:19:08 am
The Ants already have something going on; the other species will be meddled with in due time.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 01:19:14 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 01:19:38 am
Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?
Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 01:20:58 am
Actually, I'm gonna change the location of the Ritualstones.
Post by: Andres on June 01, 2015, 01:38:00 am
Mind control negates worship, in case you didn't know.Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
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Actually, I'm gonna change the location of the Ritualstones."Change the location of the Ritualstones"? When and where exactly did you make these things?
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 01:42:38 am
Up in the Heavens beyond the earshot of mortals, Mavnon rushed at Iliseth with a giant smile that seems uncanny on a goddess of Conflict.I edited it in.
"See? Conflict drives action and action drives progress!"
With a triumphant feeling, Mavnon rushed back down to the Torus to watch Humanity closely. As the centuries passed, Mavnon noticed how Iliseth made her people dedicate their society to worship of her and the rest of the gods. She found their beliefs of Izgamlo and himself amusing, and just as she had desired. After a few decades of thinking, Mavnon began her plan in earnest.Please stop spreading your lies to my creation, mavnon. I see no problem with having you fill the head of your followers with nonsense, but that doesn't mean I will let you do the same to my species. These kinds of beliefs only leads to dogmas, one of the things I despite the most in existence. However I must admit I found your categorization of gods as selfish and selfless based on their contribution quite funny. I will let my species believe in this portion at least.
"Then act and tell them to do otherwise; they'll believe me if you do not."
Create 15 Ritualstones and scatter them around areas inhabited by saplings. Child-sized conical sculptures, the Ritualstones convert nearby biomass into wealth, knowledge or spears (which are invented by the Ritualstones since humans don't have that technology yet). What constitutes 'wealth' depends on what the applicant currently considers wealth. Knowledge is sourced from any written text on the Torus Worlds. Everyone who offers biomass to the Ritualstone is also signing a Pact with Mavnon.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 01:43:52 am
So? He's still turning a quarter of my ants into mind controllers.Mind control negates worship, in case you didn't know.Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 01:44:56 am
Personally I'm against that. Slight mindset alterations are fine. Mind foreplay if you will. But full on mindfucking and control is just an ew.So? He's still turning a quarter of my ants into mind controllers.Mind control negates worship, in case you didn't know.Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 01:46:53 am
Correction: quarter of ant drones.So? He's still turning a quarter of my ants into mind controllers.Mind control negates worship, in case you didn't know.Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 01:49:31 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 01:54:07 am
Mmm, for some reason I translated that as workers from the "drone" meaning "drudge" (a person made to do hard, menial, or dull work.), and since the majority of ants would be workers, it's still effectively a quarter of them, but checking up on it, that's actually the fertile males.Correction: quarter of ant drones.So? He's still turning a quarter of my ants into mind controllers.Mind control negates worship, in case you didn't know.Hey micelus, why is Mavnon focusing on Humans so much as opposed to the other races?Because humans are more aesthetically pleasing than ant people? Idunno?What are you two talking about? She's already messed with my perfect [citation needed] utopian [citation needed] ant society by turning a quarter of them into mind controllers.
While I'm still not happy, it's more reasonable than what I initially thought.
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 01:57:35 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 01:58:54 am
And just think, only the affected drones will be able to give you essense income.Micelus seems more interested in increasing his influence via fostering conflict, and thus gain essence from that than from gaining essence from worshipers.
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1E 2C (ants)So the dietary restriction and weakness to cold didn't shave off any essence cost? Earlier you said the dietary restriction would shave off around 1 essence, but two weaknesses didn't reduce the price at all. ???
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 02:06:13 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 02:19:01 am
That's actually less reasonable you know. If it was a quarter of the majority, then you'd still get a quarter once the Archons are done mindcontrolling everything. This way, less than a quarter of the ants are capable of worshipping you.*shrugs* hopefully mind control has a high pricetag.
Post by: Andres on June 01, 2015, 03:37:52 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 03:38:13 am
Post by: Dutrius on June 01, 2015, 06:19:15 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 06:19:57 am
spiderewverywherekillthempls
Post by: Dutrius on June 01, 2015, 06:41:22 am
(http://i.imgur.com/aSWwUDO.png)
Price check on roughly van-sized spacefaring armored tentacled things with impressive mental abilities and a hunger for knowledge and power. Yes I realize there's no stars except the one right now.
Why does that remind me of a zerg overlord?
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/1/17/Overlord_SC2_Rend1.jpg)
$$$ Pricecheck time!
How much for a centaur like race with six legs, adapted to scale rock faces and high altitude forests?
How much for trees with wood reinforced by iron, able to grow to impressive sizes (taller and wider than redwoods) and only able to grow in iron rich areas? Very large trees can grow so large that the iron in the trunk forms large rods, making the tree effectively reinforced with rebar.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 01, 2015, 07:48:29 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 11:37:06 am
OOC? Sure. IC however it's the literal language of the gods, which tends to much more metaphysically significant than just being plain old english. Basically, think of it as the language of eldritch space abominations. Do you think they'll be getting a grip on that easily?((what's wrong? It's just plain English. Maybe I should clarify that.))((I can't help but feel that might not be a good idea. In the "it'll explode their brains" sense. But go right ahead! Experimental data is always appreciated! :)) ))...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
Right. I might have forgotten that.
I teach the Maag how to read, speak and write the language that us gods use.
Or I might be totally wrong about this. Hence why I said experimental data is appreciated.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 01, 2015, 01:11:37 pm
Edit to avoid double posting: I just realized that Aurosseu's symbol no longer makes sense as the sun isn't spherical and certainly won't rise as depicted in the symbol. And I can't edit the symbol, as the symbol's shape plays a part in a plan of mine. I need an excuse, any ideas?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 01, 2015, 01:19:41 pm
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Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 01, 2015, 01:23:42 pm
I just drew my species here:Oh my, that is so adorable! It confused me at first though, because maag is Dutch for stomach and I was wondering why it was saying that, but then I realized that it was the name of the species.Spoiler: Adorableness warning? (click to show/hide)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 01, 2015, 01:28:26 pm
I just drew my species here:Oh my, that is so adorable! It confused me at first though, because maag is Dutch for stomach and I was wondering why it was saying that, but then I realized that it was the name of the species.Spoiler: Adorableness warning? (click to show/hide)
Ah, so that's why the quick search I did before only gave me pictures of the digestive system.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 01:35:29 pm
Edit to avoid double posting: I just realized that Aurosseu's symbol no longer makes sense as the sun isn't spherical and certainly won't rise as depicted in the symbol. And I can't edit the symbol, as the symbol's shape plays a part in a plan of mine. I need an excuse, any ideas?The sun is still a circle when viewed from above or below, considering it's a cylinder? Not sure if that helps at all?
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 01, 2015, 02:29:07 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 02:38:46 pm
Viewed from the planet fragments, it is not circular from any direction, sadly. Maybe it could be defined as something really shiny that's not a sun behind a hill (the horizon on flat ground is not shaped like the symbol, either), but what?A giant ball of gold.
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 03:39:32 pm
The shade of Azem approves.Viewed from the planet fragments, it is not circular from any direction, sadly. Maybe it could be defined as something really shiny that's not a sun behind a hill (the horizon on flat ground is not shaped like the symbol, either), but what?A giant ball of gold.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 01, 2015, 04:03:05 pm
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 04:40:42 pm
I'm tempted to type all my dialogue in Spanish just to mess with the Maag.OOC? Sure. IC however it's the literal language of the gods, which tends to much more metaphysically significant than just being plain old english. Basically, think of it as the language of eldritch space abominations. Do you think they'll be getting a grip on that easily?((what's wrong? It's just plain English. Maybe I should clarify that.))((I can't help but feel that might not be a good idea. In the "it'll explode their brains" sense. But go right ahead! Experimental data is always appreciated! :)) ))...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
Right. I might have forgotten that.
I teach the Maag how to read, speak and write the language that us gods use.
Or I might be totally wrong about this. Hence why I said experimental data is appreciated.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 04:42:05 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 01, 2015, 05:09:35 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 05:15:31 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 07:27:38 pm
Price check for Empathic Lizard Men with sharp climbing/digging claws, and scales that blunt most sharp attacks.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 01, 2015, 07:39:00 pm
Price check in power for a force of 1000 temporary humanoid automaton soldiers, made of steel and using swords and tall shields.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 01, 2015, 07:54:31 pm
I'm tempted to type all my dialogue in Spanish just to mess with the Maag.OOC? Sure. IC however it's the literal language of the gods, which tends to much more metaphysically significant than just being plain old english. Basically, think of it as the language of eldritch space abominations. Do you think they'll be getting a grip on that easily?((what's wrong? It's just plain English. Maybe I should clarify that.))((I can't help but feel that might not be a good idea. In the "it'll explode their brains" sense. But go right ahead! Experimental data is always appreciated! :)) ))...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
Right. I might have forgotten that.
I teach the Maag how to read, speak and write the language that us gods use.
Or I might be totally wrong about this. Hence why I said experimental data is appreciated.
Nice try, but my obelisk only recorded what was said before I made it, you could speak any language and it wouldn't change a thing :P
Only thing it would affect is that they wouldn't understand a word of what you say anymore, which doesn't changes much for me.
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on June 01, 2015, 08:32:20 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 01, 2015, 08:33:33 pm
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 08:37:05 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 08:37:46 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 09:05:42 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 01, 2015, 09:19:59 pm
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Uh what? That'd cost essence though? You said we could suggest some ordinaryish plants that exist in the world. Are my suggestions not mundane enough?
It would not cost essence, it would just let everyone see it. Many people like to ignore OOC unless they are doing something in it.
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Moving the fragments into usable land: 2-3E, (???)P
The area is still considered part of the planet, thus already habitable and capable of keeping plantlife.
Some kind of force keeping them there: 1-2E
Stone slab: Already kind of done with the Obelisk, so 1E. (???) to add secret (true) history.
By the way, how exactly did/do angels work? I figure that's more down my alley than all this race/world creating nonsense.
While we all know how much I loved my Angels in Ye Gods, I felt it would be best to not have a template this time. Basically, everyone got lazy and followed a template, adding only small changes. There is currently no definition of "Angel" for this game, basically if you want to make servants just give them what abilities you want and call them an "angel".
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Stones: 8E obviously. In the future, please price check before making if you plan on price checking. IC is higher priority then OOC, so I generally check it first if I am lacking time.
Can you link me the description of the Hearth Keepers? I have no idea what they are and I need to know how to react. Thank you for using a capital 'h' in 'Humanity'. It's not fair that every other race gets a capitalised first letter and Humans don't. :-\
I have been counting them as the "Fire Spirits" mentioned earlier.
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So the dietary restriction and weakness to cold didn't shave off any essence cost? Earlier you said the dietary restriction would shave off around 1 essence, but two weaknesses didn't reduce the price at all. ???
I seem to have missed where you put in the dietary restrictions. Ill edit your numbers accordingly.
Going to my grandmas. Put me on safe stasis please but do my actions please.
I don't have any sort of safe stasis like KJP did, and I am not planning on letting you go to it once a week like you did there either :-\.
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Spidertaur: 6E for 10K
Ol' Ironsides: 1-2E. If wood can be smelted, 2-3E
Nilva's plans are more or less unchanged. Waiting on a pmed pricecheck from Stirk tho.
PMs are "Low" priority, being the most difficult to keep up with. As we can tell, I am already in a bit over my head, so it may take me a bit to reply to them.
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Lizard men with claws and armor and empathy: 7-8E
Automaton army: 2-3P, can change to be stronger/weaker or add more abilities.
Post by: Vgray on June 01, 2015, 09:36:15 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 01, 2015, 09:41:15 pm
Are my Hearth Keepers visible to mortals on the corporal plane without divine or magical assistance? And can they affect the corporal plane in any way?
Not directly, though if you want it may be possible for them to have a trait that shows where they live (ie, a symbol appearing over fires they control). They are capable of controlling their fires and a limited area around the Hearth, the exact extend depends on their particular power as does what exactly they are able to do.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 10:34:21 pm
The chitin moon grows chitin observatories on its chitinous surface, equipped with sophisticated chitin telescopes, allowing the chitin ants to observe the rest of the
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 01, 2015, 10:56:40 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 11:16:43 pm
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Iliseth continues her high level of activity, appearing to the Humans to explain her story. Afterwords, she teaches them rudimentary things. Agriculture begins, with the simple cultivation of many edible plants starting. The humans, finding that they have nothing to write on, decide to use the skills their God gave them to make some. They end up etching their words into pottery, often with an artist's drawing nearby. As for the story they are ordered to chronicle, they etch it into a mud-brick temple along with illustrations. She continues to give them orders on who they can worship, though none particularly want to worship any other God for the time being. The other races seem to now have a familiarity with at least the concepts introduced to humans.Wait, introducing new technology is free? That seems unbalanced.
[The Maag] begin making their own homes out of sandstone bricks, which may or may not involve their bodily fluids. Next, [Lithus] further clarifies the language used, helping them understand the runes they where still unfamiliar with.
Post by: Pencil_Art on June 01, 2015, 11:33:51 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 11:35:33 pm
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Izgamlo:2/3/4Crux should be at ~5 (depending on whether I get a 1 or 2 essence discount on my ants. Probably a 1 essence discount). I seem to still not be getting any essence income from my worshipers.
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Iliseth:2/10/10Iliseth has used at least 5 power this turn.
Post by: ~Neri on June 01, 2015, 11:39:08 pm
How about a species that maintains the history stone and knows of all the events that happen ever?So basically the Minds in Kapla?
Post by: Stirk on June 01, 2015, 11:41:44 pm
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Wait, introducing new technology is free? That seems unbalanced.
No, introducing "small" concepts is free. Thinks like brick buildings and agriculture are free. I am, for example, charging Pencil art for putting in metal smithing.
Quote from: StirkIzgamlo:2/3/4Crux should be at ~5 (depending on whether I get a 1 or 2 essence discount on my ants. Probably a 1 essence discount). I seem to still not be getting any essence income from my worshipers.QuoteIliseth:2/10/10Iliseth has used at least 5 power this turn.
I will recheck these. I did forget to add in your discount, however.
Oh. I saw what happened. I wanted to confirm something with Andres before Iliseth spent the second thing of Power, and since he is gone I didn't get the conversation. Yours is off and I have no clue why besides me being doing this for way to many hours today :-\. I always mess up yours for some reason.
Post by: Pencil_Art on June 01, 2015, 11:45:39 pm
How about a species that maintains the history stone and knows of all the events that happen ever?
Post by: micelus on June 01, 2015, 11:48:57 pm
Anyway, I'm going to try make things a bit less stressful for you Stirk. I'll try to compile the actions for each Tick and their costs if known starting now.
Spoiler: Tick 3 Actions (click to show/hide)
Also Lorash has 78 Essence. Meep.[/list]
Post by: Stirk on June 01, 2015, 11:52:32 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 01, 2015, 11:56:15 pm
When they die for another reason, usually their mind dies first, and they may or may not survive as a tree. If it's disease, there's still that small chance their braindead body could fight it off somehow. If it's violence, if they're not too badly damaged, again, there's a chance the tree could recover. Otherwise...the tree is dead too.
$$$
Price check on domesticating megafauna?
Price check on plants that gain sustenance from heat and light with extreme efficiency?
Price check on underwater versions of Saplings and Great Trees(in this case, Great Reefs and Kelplings)?
Price check on a race of giants which are essentially Megafauna versions of other races(primarily Humans)?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 11:57:23 pm
Quote from: Stirk
Teburshe:2/4/4Why is Teburshe's essence income 2? Is it from influence?
Quote from: Stirk
Lithus/Luthus:2/6/5His crux should be 4 (spent 6 out of 5 essence and spent another 1 crux on a obelisk. Previous crux was 6. 6-2=4)
Why is his essence income 2? Influence again?
Quote
Patronius:7/10/9I can't find what he spent it on so I'm guessing he's the cause of the nightmares.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 01, 2015, 11:58:51 pm
It most certainly is. Helps when the world Grew from a Seed you Planted. And basically everyone's trying to get their races to Grow faster. And the world is Growing into a mature state. And so on.Quote from: StirkTeburshe:2/4/4Why is Teburshe's essence income 2? Is it from influence?
I can be smart when I'm being generous, too. :)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 01, 2015, 11:59:50 pm
Quote from: Stirk
Izgamlo:3/3/4Crux is still wrong. So worshippers add another measly 1 essence income? Kind of dissapointing.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 12:00:15 am
Same reason why Nilva made All the fauna~It most certainly is. Helps when the world Grew from a Seed you Planted. And basically everyone's trying to get their races to Grow faster. And the world is Growing into a mature state. And so on.Quote from: StirkTeburshe:2/4/4Why is Teburshe's essence income 2? Is it from influence?
I can be smart when I'm being generous, too. :)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 12:01:31 am
Quote from: StirkTeburshe:2/4/4Why is Teburshe's essence income 2? Is it from influence?Quote from: StirkLithus/Luthus:2/6/5His crux should be 4 (spent 6 out of 5 essence and spent another 1 crux on a obelisk. Previous crux was 6. 6-2=4)
Why is his essence 2? Influence again?QuotePatronius:7/10/9I can't find what he spent it on so I'm guessing he's the cause of the nightmares.
I spent essence on the obelisk, not crux. If I did say crux then it was a mistake. I'll need to verify.
Edit: I didn't mentioned anything, so I expect that it defaults to essence.
Post by: micelus on June 02, 2015, 12:01:41 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 12:01:50 am
For the moment? Without, in all likelihood, even 100,000 followers, and he'd said that the number was still building up? Disappointing perhaps, but hardly surprising. :PQuote from: StirkIzgamlo:3/3/4Crux is still wrong. So worshippers add another measly 1 essence income? Kind of dissapointing.
Same reason why Nilva made All the fauna~It most certainly is. Helps when the world Grew from a Seed you Planted. And basically everyone's trying to get their races to Grow faster. And the world is Growing into a mature state. And so on.Quote from: StirkTeburshe:2/4/4Why is Teburshe's essence income 2? Is it from influence?
I can be smart when I'm being generous, too. :)
Not anymore she didn't~
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 12:03:17 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 12:04:49 am
You didn't have enough essence so crux was used automatically instead I believe.I spent essence on the obelisk, not crux. If I did say crux then it was a mistake. I'll need to verify.Quote from: StirkLithus/Luthus:2/6/5His crux should be 4 (spent 6 out of 5 essence and spent another 1 crux on a obelisk. Previous crux was 6. 6-2=4)
Why is his essence 2? Influence again?
Quote from: Stirk
Lithus/Luthus creates a massive obelisk with the text of the Gods scrolling up it, so they may know what is happening. The Maag, being quite intelligent and having heard of writing from the Humans, begin reading it immediately. If the Mortals have not discovered how fragmented the Gods are yet, the certainly know now (Lithus/Luthus -1C).
Be nice if essence gain was marked per turn, but I understand if it gets too stressful.Yes. It'd help confirm that everything was done correctly, which is a boon to the gm.
Post by: micelus on June 02, 2015, 12:10:25 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 12:13:02 am
Can the ants only eat nectar?I was hoping you wouldn't notice that, teleport the ants away, and have them promptly starve to death. Yes, the ants can only eat the nectar of the chitin moon.
Post by: micelus on June 02, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 12:14:04 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 12:14:46 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 12:17:03 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 12:26:53 am
pricecheck on raising a mountain using power without ruining everything around with earthquakes. That mountain would have a single peak, so nothing too big.
And also on creating a non sentient species capable of excavating said mountain.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 12:28:35 am
Sentient is like a cat.
Sapient is like a person.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 12:29:12 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 12:29:59 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 12:34:09 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 12:38:13 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 12:41:39 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 12:53:29 am
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on June 02, 2015, 01:14:28 am
A giant tangle of flesh, stone, and metal about 15 yards long in all directions, made of several oddly intertwined networks of thick tendrils about 1 meter in diameter on average. Grant it intelligence above average mortals by giving it several less intelligent secondary brains to control movement, and one larger brain for sentience, and processing destinations for the secondary brains to attempt to move towards. Have it move by using several dozen large tendrils designed to move it from one stable position from the next. Have several smaller creatures, fungi, and plants live within these behemoths, providing it with some nutrients, and make them have the ability to hibernate and gain stockpiles of nutrients to make treks.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 01:30:06 am
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Post by: IronyOwl on June 02, 2015, 01:42:00 am
Why does that remind me of a zerg overlord?SHHHHHH NO REASON
But yeah, I was thinking of them as an inspiration.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 01:43:50 am
Do you people actually keep up with this thread or just skip to the end whenever there's too many posts in the way? >_>I tend to skip large parts of the ic thread once I stop caring (like the second of the sun/world creation debate). For whatever reason it's usually easier to keep up with the OOC thread.
I do skim a lot though.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 02:49:59 am
Do you people actually keep up with this thread or just skip to the end whenever there's too many posts in the way? >_>I do keep up with both threads, but that's mostly because I have way too much free time on my hands.
It's in the name: a sentient being can sense, and make decisions based on that input. These decisions may be hardwired, so it does not necessitate free will. Instincts, such as reproduction and survival, may work as these hard wires, but are unrelated to sentience; a non-sentient being can have something definable as instincts as well.Oh well.
$$$
Pricecheck on the previously asked life form, but with all the fluff about sentience/non-sentience previously mentioned taken into account. Don't bother giving the pricecheck of the previous one(but only that species, I still want the rest).
Edit: and thanks Demonic spoon for that summary, might be useful. I do find it funny that my species is the only one with linked :P
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 02:53:53 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:28:34 am
If yes, does anyone want a magic system? If so, I'd be up for making it at the discounted price I get from my sphere, at cost if you give the essence to do it, so you'd be saving essence, and I'd be getting influence, a deal where both sides benefit.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:30:22 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 03:31:32 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:32:36 am
I'm interested in magic. However I have something in the works that is a very Nilva styled kind of thing. Perfectly fine with letting it mesh with your system though~Well, I mean even if you have it in the works, if you let me make it you'd be saving essence (probably. your own sphere bonus might play a role). I don't mind if it doesn't mesh with any systems I made, though that'd be cool too. I just want there to be more magic, since I'm the god of magic. Basically, I'm hoping that if I can give people options for cheaper magic systems, more magic systems will be made.
Aurosseu already made some magic. Publicly, even, if you know to read between the lines.My offer still stands.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:33:37 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:34:34 am
My system is pretty sphere based....it summons wolves of ambiguous gender? Or shapeshifts people into wolves with ambiguous genders?
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:35:03 am
Well, it definitely can involve wolves.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:37:01 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:38:08 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:40:08 am
I'll propose a summoning system down the line that prolly multiple could benefit.For whatever reason this led me into a train of thought where the "normals" of the torus fragments summon writhes and chitin-ants up as "demons" to do their bidding.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:44:06 am
Deals would be a sacrificial format. Ghosts probably could use life energy or bodies for example.
Technically the summoning deal system could be made with gods also. Summoning an aspect. In Nilva's case, someone could make a deal to summon a cottage sized giant wolf for x amount of time in exchange for y amount of dead goatwolves sacrificed for them. Where y is double to the cost of making and maintaining the giant wolf for the agreed upon summoning period of x.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 03:45:57 am
That would technically be possible, but I would personally prefer if it was the souls of the dead that got summoned into temporary (or permanent) corporal bodies depending on the deal they made.Interesting. I like it. It has my support whenever we get around to making it.
Deals would be a sacrificial format. Ghosts probably could use life energy or bodies for example.
Technically the summoning deal system could be made with gods also. Summoning an aspect. In Nilva's case, someone could make a deal to summon a cottage sized giant wolf for x amount of time in exchange for x amount of dead goatwolves sacrificed for them. Where x is double to the cost of making and maintaining the giant wolf for the agreed upon summoned period.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 03:48:32 am
Post by: IronyOwl on June 02, 2015, 03:49:30 am
So two questions I guess. Can we give essence to other gods?I'd like to give my Writhes plenty of magic, so I may take you up on this at some point.
If yes, does anyone want a magic system? If so, I'd be up for making it at the discounted price I get from my sphere, at cost if you give the essence to do it, so you'd be saving essence, and I'd be getting influence, a deal where both sides benefit.
Of course, at the moment I've likely spent nearly all of my Essence, so that might need to wait a few ticks.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:03:03 am
You're going to have 2-3 essence leftover, which is enough for me to make a weak magic system with. Weak magic systems have the benefit(?) of not going horribly wrong though, which I believe is not want you want. You may be able to slash the price of a magic system by introducing deliberate flaws like "using this for long periods of time will drive you slowly insane" or "all the spells have a chance of going horribly wrong"So two questions I guess. Can we give essence to other gods?I'd like to give my Writhes plenty of magic, so I may take you up on this at some point.
If yes, does anyone want a magic system? If so, I'd be up for making it at the discounted price I get from my sphere, at cost if you give the essence to do it, so you'd be saving essence, and I'd be getting influence, a deal where both sides benefit.
Of course, at the moment I've likely spent nearly all of my Essence, so that might need to wait a few ticks.
Maybe some sort of system of divination, the Writhes use magic that gives them knowledge, but at the cost of their sanity?
$$$
Having the asteroid belt bud off new asteroids at a rate of 0.001% of the original amount of asteroids per century.
Have the asteroids move around in semi-random patterns, forming abstract shapes
Have the asteroids semi-regularly spell out messages in the sky proclaiming the glory of Izgamlo
A asteroid belt half the size of a standard asteroid belt, with a quarter of the standard amount of asteroids, so that there are fewer, but larger asteroids. The asteroids are made of silver and cast abnormally massive, wide, deep, long, dark shadows
A thousand living portals who teleport anyone who passes through them to a random location in the universe, though they conditions at the destination must be theoretically survivable. They aggressively move towards animals and people, trying to force them through. The portals can fold into themselves to teleport themselves, or intersect with other portals to teleport each other. In the case of a portal being teleported, the destination is not random but predetermined, with portals preferring locations with many farmlands. The portals can reproduce asexually by budding off new portals. Not sapient. How much of a discount do I get from Portals sphere?
Teach a race how to make telescopes. (Could I use power for this?)
Void Creatures, spinning collections of fangs and pincers, who feed on sunlight and undistorted space. Wherever they go they permanently distort space. Distances are shorter or longer than they should be, and moving in a straight line is near impossible in distorted space, even light is bended and warped. They constantly move through the void, looking for undistorted space to feed on. Say about a thousand. Not sapient. They cannot reproduce but do not age.
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 04:28:45 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:30:45 am
I'd never suggest it IC, but what about forcing Hearth Keepers into the corporal plane?I actually had vague thoughts for a magic system of exorcism. I was thinking it could do stuff like banish heart spirits from a home or force them to materialize so they can be killed.
In fact, let me pricecheck that right now
$$$
A system of Exorcism magic, part of a larger system of Chanting magic that might be built up later. Weak Strength. It can banish spirits (such as hearth spirits) from a home or enclosed space for few days, the more power put into it the longer they are banished, drive possessing spirits out of a creature, or force incorporeal spirits to materialize so conventional attacks can harm them. Powered by a combination of sunlight, burnt incense and chanting. The longer and more passionate the chanting, the more incense is burnt, the stronger the sunlight and the more of it shines during the duration of the chanting, the more powerful the effect. The chanting is mostly magic nonsense but includes a odd prayer or supplication to Izgamlo, or a declaration of Izgamlo's greatness and mercy. Anyone who can use magic can use it. Group casting is pretty much mandatory for any significant effects. Failure to praise Izgamlo causes the spell to fizzle out, giving the caster(s) a painful headache. Other powering elements do not all need to present, but their lack makes the spells much weaker.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 04:31:38 am
I'd never suggest it IC, but what about forcing Hearth Keepers into the corporal plane?If you're talking about the summony thing.
Prolly would be more of having them manifest in the designated summon zone to do something for x time in exchange for y energy from sacrifice.
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 04:42:26 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 04:43:19 am
And why would you want to banish my poor Hearth Keepers?Nilva will figure out how to put ribbons on them eventually. But is definitely against banishing them.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:43:31 am
And why would you want to banish my poor Hearth Keepers?They're creepy. ;)
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 04:43:49 am
They're adorable firepeople~And why would you want to banish my poor Hearth Keepers?They're creepy.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:46:39 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 04:49:14 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:50:16 am
I'm tempted to just do the other three classical elements now.Water spirits in the toilets and baths, air spirits in the air we breathe and earth spirits in the walls?
Yeah, I'd be exorcising everything all the time.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 04:52:19 am
Is in your neighborhood.
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 04:56:47 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 04:58:08 am
I was thinking more like nymphs actually.The trees are watching me! Burn down that forest! Burn it all to the ground!
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 05:02:23 am
Iliseth has used at least 5 power this turn.I ended up using 2 Power. I guess my 3P soul sense wasn't seen. Stirk, please don't retcon it in.
I'm teaching my guys mining, masonry, and metal-smithing. I'm hoping it's free because: one, the dwarves already invented it; two, I'm watching the Dwarves so I know how to do it.QuoteWait, introducing new technology is free? That seems unbalanced.
No, introducing "small" concepts is free. Thinks like brick buildings and agriculture are free. I am, for example, charging Pencil art for putting in metal smithing.
That or it was Lauxal, goddess of Nightmares.QuotePatronius:7/10/9I can't find what he spent it on so I'm guessing he's the cause of the nightmares.
Creation Summary!This needs to go in the OP. One thing that could be useful is a record of what Ticks these things were made in.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 05:27:05 am
Whatcha talking about?Iliseth has used at least 5 power this turn.I ended up using 2 Power. I guess my 3P soul sense wasn't seen. Stirk, please don't retcon it in.
Quote from: Stirk
Iliseth continues her flight of activity, examining more things. She finds that humans are, in fact, born with souls. Plants do not, save for the sentient ones such as the Sapling race.
Post by: IronyOwl on June 02, 2015, 05:38:57 am
General check on whether there's any magic system pricing guidelines or if it's too varied to make useful generalizations about
Specific check on a magic system allowing its wielders to precipitate crystalline structures out of nothing, leaning towards long-term construction rather than summoning swords or what have you
The ash nymphs say hello!I was thinking more like nymphs actually.The trees are watching me! Burn down that forest! Burn it all to the ground!
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 05:39:46 am
I'm not sure how I went wrong here. I either forgot about the PM, my brain just stuffed up again, or I hadn't read the PM yet. I forgot what happened. Anyway, Stirk didn't know exactly what I wanted to do with the 3 Power other than apply it somehow to the soul sense. He PMed me but I wasn't around to clarify so he chose not to spend the 3 Power.Whatcha talking about?Iliseth has used at least 5 power this turn.I ended up using 2 Power. I guess my 3P soul sense wasn't seen. Stirk, please don't retcon it in.Quote from: StirkIliseth continues her flight of activity, examining more things. She finds that humans are, in fact, born with souls. Plants do not, save for the sentient ones such as the Sapling race.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 05:40:28 am
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 05:53:28 am
Is anyone here interested in me making a bestiary like I did in Ye Gods? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144651.1485) I just need some Essence to get me motivated....
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 05:55:03 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 06:05:06 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 06:06:52 am
Post by: IronyOwl on June 02, 2015, 06:08:07 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 06:12:54 am
To be fair, the universe is currently three chunks of a torus orbiting a sunrod. That's reasonably silly and possibly reasonably dark.Chitinmoon is superserious though. We've just gone through a purging of the ranks. :(
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 06:15:20 am
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 06:18:03 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 06:20:03 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 06:23:04 am
Aurosseu waves at Kevak(lolwut)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 06:28:18 am
Would a darker afterlife along the lines of "I eat the souls of my worshipers when they die" provide any sort of benefit for example?
Post by: Happy Demon on June 02, 2015, 06:57:18 am
So can I join without having to read EVERYTHING?
Eh, going to try anyway.
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Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 07:04:46 am
For example, in Ye Gods, Yaos' Influence-based Essence income didn't increase just because there were more Humans. KJP said what was important was the importance that Humanity as a whole had on the world rather than just their numbers. Is that how it is in Litany of the Void?
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 07:14:15 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 08:07:37 am
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 08:08:47 am
Might want to ask permission 'fore ya go messin' with me Saplings, matey.You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mavnon does not desire conflict.
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 08:10:57 am
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I will give you any, instead of just quietly eating your stones.Might want to ask permission 'fore ya go messin' with me Saplings, matey.You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mavnon does not desire conflict.
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 08:11:22 am
I am not MavnonYou seem to be under the mistaken impression that I will give you any, instead of just quietly eating your stones.Might want to ask permission 'fore ya go messin' with me Saplings, matey.You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mavnon does not desire conflict.
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 08:16:03 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 08:22:28 am
Sorry, too many people at this point to have an easy time keeping track of who's who. >.<I am not MavnonYou seem to be under the mistaken impression that I will give you any, instead of just quietly eating your stones.Might want to ask permission 'fore ya go messin' with me Saplings, matey.You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mavnon does not desire conflict.
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 08:23:35 am
the shade of Azem has been absent since I didn't want to clutter up the IC, but I figured all bets were off once you and Kevak got into it.
Post by: micelus on June 02, 2015, 08:28:39 am
Sorry, too many people at this point to have an easy time keeping track of who's who. >.<I am not MavnonYou seem to be under the mistaken impression that I will give you any, instead of just quietly eating your stones.Might want to ask permission 'fore ya go messin' with me Saplings, matey.You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mavnon does not desire conflict.
After all, if these Ritual Stones end up slowing their Growth, I won't be happy, mind.
How do they slow growth? I'm actually curious. Thought they'd speed up growth since the knowledge from other cultures would be given to the Saplings. Oh and spears. Wealth too, but the saplings seem fine without any wealth.
EDIT: Ohhhh you mean the biomass. A few carcasses from hunts won't slow down growth a great deal right?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 08:40:33 am
If it ends up driving them to 'cannibalism' I won't be pleased. But if it's just a few animal corpses that's fine.
What type of pact exactly are they getting into when they sacrifice it, though?
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 02, 2015, 08:42:01 am
Post by: micelus on June 02, 2015, 08:45:18 am
I don't know how much biomass it requires, is the thing.
If it ends up driving them to 'cannibalism' I won't be pleased. But if it's just a few animal corpses that's fine.
What type of pact exactly are they getting into when they sacrifice it, though?
The business type of deal. "By touching this stone, you agree to sacrifice this biomass assemblage to Mavnon as worship in exchange for material wealth, knowledge or point sticks."
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 08:46:17 am
Okay, what the hell is going on in IC? Are we all at the sparring ground, or are people dreaming? I'm really confused.It was just a dream~
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 08:47:54 am
Alright. Just makin' sure they know what they're getting into and that I won't be losing followers(in any large amounts, anyway)I don't know how much biomass it requires, is the thing.
If it ends up driving them to 'cannibalism' I won't be pleased. But if it's just a few animal corpses that's fine.
What type of pact exactly are they getting into when they sacrifice it, though?
The business type of deal. "By touching this stone, you agree to sacrifice this biomass assemblage to Mavnon as worship in exchange for material wealth, knowledge or point sticks."
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 08:53:03 am
Okay, what the hell is going on in IC? Are we all at the sparring ground, or are people dreaming? I'm really confused.Sparring, with no particular sparring ground. My God of Dreams does what he does best in the sparring matches, and that is throwing mundane logic out the window. Confusion is to be expected.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 02, 2015, 10:08:10 am
Divine archives - Large building in an unspecified location that contains records of all actions, conversations, etc, (In short, extremely detailed history) of all in creation.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 10:39:02 am
Taking your bets, how many Ticks will it take for the archive to be tampered with after its creation? Bonus round: will the tampering in question be the archive's complete destruction by divine fire?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 10:39:45 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 02, 2015, 10:40:55 am
I'm starting to get semi-concerned about those nightmares. Should I be concerned?Aurosseu's on the case. He has a solution in progress, deployed next Tick.
Also, nice ninja-editing.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 01:33:57 pm
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I added your character sheet to the list here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). You'll have to wait for stirk to confirm your character first before you can start though.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 02, 2015, 01:48:40 pm
Okay thanks, and keep up the good organizing work.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I added your character sheet to the list here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). You'll have to wait for stirk to confirm your character first before you can start though.
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 04:22:33 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 04:46:58 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 05:40:08 pm
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 07:14:53 pm
I'll resist the urge to link to tvtropes, but I doubt Andres will.Can't be bothered.
$$$
Price check on creating 3k sapient, semi-isolationist, amphibious, five-headed hydras (grows heads as they lose them but no extra heads) that live ~550 years, are above-average when it comes to dragon intelligence, and are really into magitech.
Post by: Vgray on June 02, 2015, 07:46:21 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on June 02, 2015, 08:05:46 pm
Name: Stellarion
Sphere: Space
Primary Form: Black cube which resonates statically when speaking
Description: In between the sun and the chunks of planets lies space, a hole in earth is empty, yet filled with space. Space has crystallized as a god.
Post by: ~Neri on June 02, 2015, 08:06:42 pm
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 08:53:17 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 02, 2015, 09:00:33 pm
Could I join still?
Name: Stellarion
Sphere: Space
Primary Form: Black cube which resonates statically when speaking
Description: In between the sun and the chunks of planets lies space, a hole in earth is empty, yet filled with space. Space has crystallized as a god.
I've added it to the list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). I also took it as an opportunity to pretty-iffy it.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 02, 2015, 09:03:04 pm
Price check on creating 3000 2km long whales that could float through outterspace and feed off sunlight, that occassionally drop gems that increase the fertility of the surrounding area.
Post by: Andres on June 02, 2015, 09:06:47 pm
($$$)Whales that increase the fertility of space? How would that help?
Price check on creating 3000 2km long whales that could float through outterspace and feed off sunlight, that occassionally drop gems that increase the fertility of the surrounding area.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 02, 2015, 09:08:41 pm
I support him completely in this endeavor.($$$)Whales that increase the fertility of space? How would that help?
Price check on creating 3000 2km long whales that could float through outterspace and feed off sunlight, that occassionally drop gems that increase the fertility of the surrounding area.
Post by: Stirk on June 02, 2015, 10:03:38 pm
....Getting a day behind on this is going to be awful.
~Edit~
All new character sheets are accepted and may begin play whenever.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 02, 2015, 11:40:24 pm
We got rained out yesterday and had to finish yesterday's work today, so I probably won't have time to get to this today :-X. I might be able to get to the IC, but don't hold your breath.
....Getting a day behind on this is going to be awful.
So I win?Would anyone like to make a bet on how many turns pass before Stirk snaps and admits that daily updates were a bit too ambitious of an idea?Four.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 02, 2015, 11:48:48 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 03, 2015, 03:20:46 am
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Post by: Detoxicated on June 03, 2015, 03:35:55 am
Nah they basically take a dump in form of gems, these gems drop on the sun or the planet or the chitinsphere.($$$)Whales that increase the fertility of space? How would that help?
Price check on creating 3000 2km long whales that could float through outterspace and feed off sunlight, that occassionally drop gems that increase the fertility of the surrounding area.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:14:45 am
$$$
Price check on removing all the wildlife from a planet
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 04:17:45 am
It costs 5E to fill a planet with wildlife, right?...that sounds like a dickish thing to do?
$$$
Price check on removing all the wildlife from a planet
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:18:31 am
And prolly devastating to the mortal races. Cause it kills all their food.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 04:23:15 am
Also sounds super expensive.Megadeaths yay!
And prolly devastating to the mortal races. Cause it kills all their food.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:23:27 am
Not something my god would do. I just want to know if it's easier to create or destroy.It costs 5E to fill a planet with wildlife, right?...that sounds like a dickish thing to do?
$$$
Price check on removing all the wildlife from a planet
Speaking of creating, do my spheres give me any discounts to creating creatures? They all have souls and they all have blood, after all. Kevak got a discount when he created wolf-based wildlife and he only has Wolves as a secondary sphere.
Also sounds super expensive.The mortal races don't require animals to eat. Agriculture works well enough and was working well enough even before your god made wildlife.
And prolly devastating to the mortal races. Cause it kills all their food.
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:24:39 am
Mortals and animals were created in the same tick. Excluding the ants, but they don't count cause they're on a different planet.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:40:24 am
Agriculture sorta didn't happen till post animals actually.No it didn't. Agriculture happened near the middle of Tick 3 while animals were only made near the end of it. That's years, decades, or even centuries before animals.
EDIT: Humans used the "new" pottery weapons to go hunting, meaning they needed to know pottery first, meaning they learned agriculture first.
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:41:46 am
Because that makes sense.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:44:33 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:45:32 am
Maybe you should restrain yourself from pressing post when ya type stuff like that~
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:46:47 am
You do realize email notifications showed the post right?Mis-clicked, meant to hit preview. Replaced it with something less obnoxious. Sorry about that.
Maybe you should restrain yourself from pressing post when ya type stuff like that~
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:47:21 am
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 04:53:23 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 04:54:45 am
Post by: Vgray on June 03, 2015, 04:56:05 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 04:57:29 am
I'm just gonna say it makes literally no sense for there to be a decades gap from sapient life creation to wildlife creation. In my head, animals were made simultaneously with everything else. Just didn't feel like going and editing into another post.
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The new world, already filled with countless plants and several intelligent species, is now seeded with wildlife courtesy of Nilva. Many of these species seem to be based on wolves. Humans soon use the new pottery weaponry to go hunting, developing a taste for meat and have begun attempting to domesticate animals. Several other races have been developing different relationships with the new wildlife. (Nilva -4E)Wildlife came into existence after the other life on the planet
Further, Stirk's entire post regulary used words that indicate it was describing events happening in chronological order from first to last.
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. I thought you wanted sapience.))Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 05:00:48 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 05:03:54 am
Regardless, Wildlife was intended to have been made at the start of the tick. No rules were stated at any point regarding chronological timestamps.It doesn't make any mechanical difference to the best of my knowledge so whatevs.
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 05:09:04 am
I think it should be assumed that any action that takes time should be done at the beginning of a tick, excluding when stated otherwise or if it's a reactionary action towards another deity's action.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 05:16:46 am
Post by: Dutrius on June 03, 2015, 06:17:50 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 06:48:25 am
Updated the Ironwood trees. The larger trees are now effectively reinforced with rebar.Update your IC post instead of whatever it was you updated. Or at least link/quote the post you updated.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 03, 2015, 09:10:35 am
Pricecheck on sapient space-whales of 2km in size, that live of solar energy and occassionally drop gems that increase fertility on the places where they drop. They should be black of colouration and should hold six side fins.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 09:20:16 am
The ambition of one of the gods here is to destroy space and basically make it the Warp. Keep that in mind.You've said this before, and it's false. I don't want to destroy space, I want to twist it into a pretzel. Also, the Warp? I have no plans on making a hell-dimension devoid of logic or sanity, polluted by the negative emotions of trillions which manifest as daemons.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 03, 2015, 12:14:00 pm
If I can still join:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Added you to the list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Sounds like an interesting concept, can't wait to see how it will end up. :)
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The ambition of one of the gods here is to destroy space and basically make it the Warp. Keep that in mind.You've said this before, and it's false. I don't want to destroy space, I want to twist it into a pretzel. Also, the Warp? I have no plans on making a hell-dimension devoid of logic or sanity, polluted by the negative emotions of trillions which manifest as daemons.
Why is it that I'm the only one that seems to believe you? I don't get it.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 07:37:49 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 03, 2015, 08:17:47 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 08:18:37 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 03, 2015, 08:34:35 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 08:36:09 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on June 03, 2015, 09:22:34 pm
$$$ check
Question, whens the next price check response?
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 09:39:52 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 03, 2015, 09:58:06 pm
By the way, do pmed actions get confirmed? Or should we just assume they happen even if not mentioned?
Stirk did confirm one of my pmed action in another pm, so I guess you'll receive one soon enough.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 09:58:57 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 03, 2015, 09:59:58 pm
@Stirk: Do I get influence income yet? Or do I need more portals/magic.
Takes a lot to get Influence, typically.
Post by: ~Neri on June 03, 2015, 10:01:16 pm
My concern is that essence cost doesn't appear to have been calculated.By the way, do pmed actions get confirmed? Or should we just assume they happen even if not mentioned?
Stirk did confirm one of my pmed action in another pm, so I guess you'll receive one soon enough.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 03, 2015, 10:02:57 pm
He's busy, I'm sure he'll around to it at some point. He's screwed up before on these and fixed 'em.My concern is that essence cost doesn't appear to have been calculated.By the way, do pmed actions get confirmed? Or should we just assume they happen even if not mentioned?
Stirk did confirm one of my pmed action in another pm, so I guess you'll receive one soon enough.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 10:16:27 pm
Why do I have a feeling such a thing would fry the mortal's mind?
Why do you think dwarves go so insane if they fail their moods?Exactly. If the materials don't get sent, the dwarf goes insane. If they do, the dwarf makes an artifact, gets a crap-ton of experience in the field, and remains as sane as he was before the possession.
Post by: Stirk on June 03, 2015, 10:46:54 pm
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I hope this isn't an issue, but I forgot something small with Saplings; when they die of old age(rather than disease or war, though those have similar results), they permanently root and become basically a tree, and can grow as a tree normally would. Slightly faster, but it would only be noticeable on a very long timescale, mostly for marking the 'cemetary groves' of the Saplings (when they're about to die, they travel there, find a good place, and fall 'asleep'. Sleep is considered the 'little death' for other races, and this is the same; their bodies remain alive, but their minds die and their souls leave their bodies. Mostly. Yes, this does mean Sapling necromancy brings back giant walking trees, usually.
That is fine, no extra cost.
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Domesticating animals: Free if the species does it itself
Immediate domestication: 1E per animal, unless there are reasons it should take more.
High efficiency plants (mundane): Free
Super-high efficiency plants (useful for something): ~0-1E with Growth sphere
Under water saplings/tree: Same price as above water ones, assuming non-amphibious.
All-knowing history keepers (? ? ?)
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Welp, never write your actions till the GM pricechecks it.
I try to keep up with everything, but OOC is "medium priority". So most of the time, to keep the game going, I do IC first. As an unfortunate result, I don't always know if you price checked something before I made it in the IC.
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Crux is still wrong. So worshippers add another measly 1 essence income? Kind of dissapointing.
Yes, 10K worshipers give 1E a turn. At this rate they will pay for themselves in 2 turns :P. Which means they have now paid for themselves.
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I spent essence on the obelisk, not crux. If I did say crux then it was a mistake. I'll need to verify.
Edit: I didn't mentioned anything, so I expect that it defaults to essence.
You Overflowed. If you Overflow on Essence, the rest is in Crux automatically. This will not happen if this would kill you or put you at one essence, the action will be canceled instead.
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Be nice if essence gain was marked per turn, but I understand if it gets too stressful.
That makes since, however it does make all the secret stuff that happens more difficult for everyone to pull off. Generally, I am trying to keep it close to KJP's system that doesn't do this. I may end up trying it anyway just to see how it works :P.
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Raising a mountain: (? ? ?) power (because it is fun to watch you all mess with power :P). There are naturally occurring Mountains in the same general size as Earth.
Mountain Eaters: 2-3E for 10K
A nonsentient wouldn't even be functional as a golem. It means literally incapable of processing anything. Computers are technically a certain tier of sentient.
Nonsentients are more like a puppet then a meatsack. As a God, you can pretty much control them. If you make puppet dance, it will dance.
The explanation I had planned. Lets say you make a non-sentient army of golems. You can now control these golems like puppets. If you order them to dance, they will dance. If you order them to attack a town, they will attack a town. If you order them to fight, they will fight in the same way a mortal in that situation would. They can follow complex commands, including reactions, but can not think or act on their own in any way. Without orders, they just sit around doing nothing, incapable of doing anything. Again, they are basically puppets controlled by Gods directly.
Does that make sense to everyone?
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15 yard "behemoths"
Race: 9-10E for 10K
1 powerful, single: 6-7E
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Do you people actually keep up with this thread or just skip to the end whenever there's too many posts in the way? >_>
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I do keep up with both threads, but that's mostly because I have way too much free time on my hands.
Am I the only one here with a summer job? I am pretty pressed for time myself :-\.
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So two questions I guess. Can we give essence to other gods?
Yes, you can transfer any form of energy to another God.
Actually, this has reminded me that Stirk said if multiple gods co-operate on a project it gets vaguely cheaper. So even if the magic is sphere-based, co-operating may still make it cheaper, though it's hard to say since the co-operation thing was left pretty vague.
Everything is vague!
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Asteroids growing: 4-5E
Shaping: Free (they are, after all, decorations)
Messages: Free
Asteroid belt: Same price as last asteroid belt (assuming decoration only)
Portals (sentient): Normally 6-7E. Portal sphere 4-5E.
Telescope: 1-2E. (? ? ?) power(?work?)
Void Creatures: 9-10E (Reality bending is tough)
Exorcism: 2-3E (Magic sphere included)
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This needs to go in the OP. One thing that could be useful is a record of what Ticks these things were made in.
That is probably a good idea, Ill probably put a link up.
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Magic system: Too varied to be useful to anyone
Slooowly crafting crystal magic-Considered "weak". Depends on power source, generally 3-4E
Summoning thing: I can't find it. Can I get it in quotes?
Things are getting far too silly in the IC thread.
Things in Ye Gods where always silly :P. Sillydark, maybe. It is like grim dark but with silly instead of grim.
So stirk, afterlives. Does making an afterlife for your followers provide any benefits? Like essence income or preventing other gods from messing with the souls of your followers.
Would a darker afterlife along the lines of "I eat the souls of my worshipers when they die" provide any sort of benefit for example?
It depends on the afterlife, I suppose. Most would prevent Souls from being messed with easily, at least. Most will have to be SCIENCED to see the exact effects.
Hm... this looks interesting, but reading over 50 pages (IC and OOC) isn't my thing.
So can I join without having to read EVERYTHING?
Eh, going to try anyway.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In case you didn't get the last accepted one, yes! I don't think even I have read *everything*, attempting to would be pretty overwhelming and I don't expect every newcomer to have done so.
Does Influence work in this game like it did in Ye Gods?
For example, in Ye Gods, Yaos' Influence-based Essence income didn't increase just because there were more Humans. KJP said what was important was the importance that Humanity as a whole had on the world rather than just their numbers. Is that how it is in Litany of the Void?
Many mechanics where copied from Ye Gods, but I didn't get KJPs notes. Most systems are imperfectly copied to say the least, since I am basically making everything whole cloth. The things I did understand where often changed, to keep the mystery intact. Soooo I will say "probably not".
Gonna sleep for a bit~
I am jealous. I need to get more sleep.
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Sorry, too many people at this point to have an easy time keeping track of who's who. >.<
I usually have to keep a tab open to FargHalfnr's sheet thing to get everyone's character right, and I still can't spell any of them...
$$$ANSWERS EVEN MORE!
Archives: 1E ("public" history) or (? ? ?) (Secret history)
I'm starting to get semi-concerned about those nightmares. Should I be concerned?
Paranoia will get you soon enough. You will be concerned about everything.
Concerning wakes and canopes and all that....I will not call a rabbit a smeerp. It is too tedious to come up with made-up names and animals every time I need to reference them.
Call them whatever you want. I personally like the way he is turning everything into wolf versions of themselves, and would participate myself if I could find a good opportunity to do so :P. Word=bird+wolf :P.
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Hydras: 8-9E for 10K, 2-3E for 3K (leaning to 3)
Naiads: 6-7E for 10K
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Name: Stellarion
Sphere: Space
Primary Form: Black cube which resonates statically when speaking
Description: In between the sun and the chunks of planets lies space, a hole in earth is empty, yet filled with space. Space has crystallized as a god.
Again, yes! You already are playing so I think this is obviose.
The ambition of one of the gods here is to destroy space and basically make it the Warp. Keep that in mind.
Also keep in mind that Andres doesn't really know what the Warp is :P. He doesn't play 40K.
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Space Whale: 3-4E
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Name: Utther
Sphere: Primary: Destruction, usually the more petty kind, though if you piss him off enough he does go Biblical, Secondary: "That smoldering contempt you have for all life you get when your day hasn't turned out right, you know, like you cut yourself shaving, you miss your bus, it starts raining while you walk home, a dog or a homeless person pooped on your lawn, and your forgot to delete some space from your DVR so your favorite show didn't record. That kinda feeling."
Primary form/associated symbol: An old crotchety man with a heavy wooden cane, any other forms he takes always have a definite human face that is always frowning. Symbol is a frowning face, any comments about "turning that frown upside down" is considered sacrilege and grounds for corporeal punishment.
Description/Background: To say Utther hates everything is a bit of a misconception, he is simply frustrated with all existence. He sees it as noisy and unpleasant, and he just wants it to go away. His followers usually have this same outlook on reality, the ones who don't only act that way to manipulate Utther into giving them stuff ostensibly for furthering the destruction of reality. Any followers who pray to him can expect one of 2 things: The first is if you dont immediately start complaining about things, or if you praise him and ask for blessings and such, he will complain about you bothering him and ignore you. The second is if you immediately start complaining, he will agree with you, and you 2 can enter into a dialogue that consists mostly of complaining about things. Sometimes you can say things like "You know, if someone just walked over there and gave them a good smacking, it'd set them right, eh?" and he'll agree, graciously granting you something to help you achieve said task. He also frequently forgets to take the power back afterwards, but it usually isnt a permanent thing anyway.
Again, yes, and already done! Just doing it personally just because.
$$$ANSWERS OH GOD THEY DON'T STOP
"Removing Wildlife":(? ? ?) (Depends on mechanism)
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Speaking of creating, do my spheres give me any discounts to creating creatures? They all have souls and they all have blood, after all. Kevak got a discount when he created wolf-based wildlife and he only has Wolves as a secondary sphere.
No. Generally because there isn't a lot else you can do with Wolves, and as a specific sphere, it gains a bigger discount.
Argument: Ignored for time sake, sorry.
That reminds me, do sphere discounts stack? So two blood gods working together on something blood related get a bigger discount then one blood one not?
Yes, they stack.
Updated the Ironwood trees. The larger trees are now effectively reinforced with rebar.
I think I forgot to put them in on the last update-I think I will fit them in. Sorry about that.
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Sentient spacewales: 10-12E for 10K
Is it possible to use Power to possess a Dwarf/Human/Other and have them make an artifact a la Dwarf Fortress?
Try it! What could go wrong?
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Question, whens the next price check response?
I try to get the pricecheck out a few hours after the tick. It takes me forever to get through.
By the way, do pmed actions get confirmed? Or should we just assume they happen even if not mentioned?
I try to confirm them, but I do it after getting IC and OOC finished. They are low priority.
@Stirk: Do I get influence income yet? Or do I need more portals/magic.
You will need more portals. Generally, if you do things yourself, you don't get a tone of essence from it. Portal magic will probably help a bunch once it spreads more.
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My concern is that essence cost doesn't appear to have been calculated.
I got it done! It is just taking me 2-3 hours to do all this stuff.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 03, 2015, 10:57:50 pm
$$$
The chitin moon grows chitin observatories on its chitinous surface, equipped with sophisticated chitin telescopes, allowing the chitin ants to observe the rest of thechitinuniverse.
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Asteroid belt: Same price as last asteroid belt (assuming decoration only)My intent was for them to orbit the sun and cast shadows on the planet below so that sunlight isn't reliable.
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Summoning thing: I can't find it. Can I get it in quotes?
That would technically be possible, but I would personally prefer if it was the souls of the dead that got summoned into temporary (or permanent) corporal bodies depending on the deal they made.
Deals would be a sacrificial format. Ghosts probably could use life energy or bodies for example.
Technically the summoning deal system could be made with gods also. Summoning an aspect. In Nilva's case, someone could make a deal to summon a cottage sized giant wolf for x amount of time in exchange for y amount of dead goatwolves sacrificed for them. Where y is double to the cost of making and maintaining the giant wolf for the agreed upon summoning period of x.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 03, 2015, 11:03:01 pm
$$$
Also pricecheck on a large and strong, 4-5 times as tall as a human sapient lifeform that feed on light and heat like pretty much everything else I did before and is very slow at processing information depending on complexity(Like it can follow simple commands almost instantly but can take hours to come up with the answer to a somewhat hard math question). Also very sturdy.
I'll come up with the full details when I actually make them, I just want an approximation right now.
Post by: Andres on June 03, 2015, 11:52:56 pm
Price check on Nilva making 20k human souls (no body)
Price check on Iliseth making 20k human souls
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 12:19:21 am
Price check on creating a magic system of shaping and speeding growth.
Price check on creating hyper-efficient trees that create hyper-dense fuel sources when cut down.
Price check on creating efficient trees that have mirror like leaves around the edges to focus the light to absorb it even more effectively, and can transfer the heat to their roots to soften and then absorb metals which then form the outer covering of their bark and fruit. Steelfruit trees.
Price check on creating growing crystals that can turn sunlight and heat into magical energy that they store and can use to ward off predators. There are techniques for harvesting them.
Price check on the same, but they do it to shadow and cold instead.
Price check on creating a 2-dimensional race of shadows(yes they can survive in sunlight, and no I'm not sure yet what they eat or the like).
On a 3-dimensional race of shadowy creatures?
Price check on an animal version of the Great Trees(Great Beasts, often Whale or Pachyderm or Tortoise or the like, with Whelps that ride on them and live around them nomadically; Whelps are shapeshifters, and can become more bestial or humanoid over a period of days as they like. They gain strength from shadows.). They would mostly feed off of shadow and darkness, which is why they move at night, since it consumes the shadow around them for a time, resulting in an area brighter than it would otherwise appear to be but not actually bright; think in the sense of other light being able to 'move' through the area more easily, since it's not 'impeded' by darkness. Yes it's pseudo-logic. I know.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 12:21:12 am
(Do my hearth spirits get points for being the only incorporeal race?)No, because they aren't. For other things, sure.
Post by: Vgray on June 04, 2015, 12:25:34 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 12:31:01 am
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 12:33:18 am
Price check on creating a DBP
Price check on unspawning all wildlife into non-existence
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 12:35:33 am
$$$Creating a what? Diastolic Blood Pressure?
Price check on creating a DBP
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Price check on unspawning all wildlife into non-existenceYou already asked this, and Stirk already answered. Depends on the exact method used.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 12:39:44 am
Also yeah whatchu talkin' 'bout Micelus? Only the Great Trees are (usually) female, and there'll be maybe two of them after this turn's done. There are certainly plenty of Saplings, on the other hand.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 12:44:53 am
Death Battle Plane. We had one in the original Ye Gods. It's a parallel dimension where injuries and death are not final, and where gods can solve who, of any number of combatants, is better in combat.$$$Creating a what? Diastolic Blood Pressure?
Price check on creating a DBP
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 12:45:47 am
Last time I asked what it would cost to kill all wildlife. I'm giving the method now.QuotePrice check on unspawning all wildlife into non-existenceYou already asked this, and Stirk already answered. Depends on the exact method used.
Yup. This, though it was technically a plane inside the wider dimension known as the Spirit World.Death Battle Plane. We had one in the original Ye Gods. It's a parallel dimension where injuries and death are not final, and where gods can solve who, of any number of combatants, is better in combat.$$$Creating a what? Diastolic Blood Pressure?
Price check on creating a DBP
Right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6269372;topicseen#msg6269372), Andres. Read it in full. I describe them as being more resilient, slower, and slightly stronger than humans. I was also describing typical characteristics of humans in real life; we're violent, we squabble a lot, and so on. There might not be any more than usual happening, but in comparison to the Maag or Saplings(the Ants had a civil war but that's not entirely their fault) it's still quite a bit. I hadn't heard of any cities being built either. So we both inferred some. From what I had read, it seemed like they were still tribal, and tribal governments aren't incredibly stable when religion is involved. Heresy and all that.Thanks. I'll link to it in the bestiary.
Also yeah whatchu talkin' 'bout Micelus? Only the Great Trees are (usually) female, and there'll be maybe two of them after this turn's done. There are certainly plenty of Saplings, on the other hand.
Post by: ~Neri on June 04, 2015, 12:50:08 am
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 04, 2015, 12:53:06 am
Thanks. I'll link to it in the bestiary.
There's a bestiary?
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 12:54:57 am
Yup. Just currently sitting in a folder on my computer. Waaaaiting to be released....Thanks. I'll link to it in the bestiary.
There's a bestiary?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 12:57:07 am
"despawning" is not a method imo.Last time I asked what it would cost to kill all wildlife. I'm giving the method now.QuotePrice check on unspawning all wildlife into non-existenceYou already asked this, and Stirk already answered. Depends on the exact method used.
Post by: Pencil_Art on June 04, 2015, 12:58:14 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 01:30:18 am
Izgamlo creates a small featureless pocket dimension inside itself where the souls of its faithful can be stored, safe from the actions of other beings, especially the other gods. The souls enter a state of stasis for now to keep them from getting bored until I can make the afterlife more interesting.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 02:12:25 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 05:00:10 am
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Alicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy.
If there is any life on Elysium, destroy it all.Lol
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 05:01:50 am
lolQuoteAlicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy.If there is any life on Elysium, destroy it all.Lol
Post by: ~Neri on June 04, 2015, 05:03:11 am
Lul~lolQuoteAlicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy.If there is any life on Elysium, destroy it all.Lol
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 04, 2015, 06:33:23 am
Ha-di!Lul~lolQuoteAlicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy.If there is any life on Elysium, destroy it all.Lol
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 06:44:47 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 06:49:55 am
Am I getting any better at fighting from my constant sparring? Will I get an alert/notification/other when I've advanced a "level"? Would lifting heavy rocks help?Yes. Lift as many heavy rocks as you can. I'm sure that come in handy when fighting gods.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 06:51:48 am
In Ye Gods, I was damaged by a fireball small enough to fit through a door. I'm not assuming anything.Am I getting any better at fighting from my constant sparring? Will I get an alert/notification/other when I've advanced a "level"? Would lifting heavy rocks help?Yes. Lift as many heavy rocks as you can. I'm sure that come in handy when fighting gods.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 07:22:14 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 04, 2015, 07:27:02 am
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Ha-di!Lul~lolQuoteAlicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy.If there is any life on Elysium, destroy it all.Lol
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 04, 2015, 09:14:12 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 12:40:00 pm
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Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 04, 2015, 02:08:24 pm
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Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 02:21:41 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 02:31:51 pm
The problem with making armour from rope is that it tears up completely if only one bit of it is cut. A more effective and historically accurate fabric armour would be linothorax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linothorax).That seems a bit too complex. They are merchants after all, not warriors. And about tearing up completely, what do you mean? It's basically chainmail but with thick ropes instead of metal.
Spoiler: Shar Character Sheet (click to show/hide)
Added you to the list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325).
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 04, 2015, 02:33:49 pm
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Post by: IcyTea31 on June 04, 2015, 02:43:44 pm
That seems a bit too complex. They are merchants after all, not warriors. And about tearing up completely, what do you mean? It's basically chainmail but with thick ropes instead of metal.Chainmail is not actually made from chain, but metal rings in a geometric pattern, usually hexagonal. If a blow breaks one of the rings, the others still remain connected. This is also the case with linothorax. However, rope is only hard enough to turn blades when its very tight. A blow will cut some of the fiber, weakening the rope and loosening it. This also makes it easier to break and loosen other nearby parts of the suit. As the ropes loosen, the armour becomes less and less effective, and will soon fall apart entirely.
people seems to have nothing better than clay shards at the moment in terms of weaponsApropos, about this from earlier: ceramic blades can actually be made sharper than metallic ones. They weren't popular in old times because they degrade quickly if not made perfectly (almost impossible without technology), but they are starting to become somewhat common in modern kitchens.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 02:57:11 pm
That seems a bit too complex. They are merchants after all, not warriors. And about tearing up completely, what do you mean? It's basically chainmail but with thick ropes instead of metal.Chainmail is not actually made from chain, but metal rings in a geometric pattern, usually hexagonal. If a blow breaks one of the rings, the others still remain connected. This is also the case with linothorax. However, rope is only hard enough to turn blades when its very tight. A blow will cut some of the fiber, weakening the rope and loosening it. This also makes it easier to break and loosen other nearby parts of the suit. As the ropes loosen, the armour becomes less and less effective, and will soon fall apart entirely.people seems to have nothing better than clay shards at the moment in terms of weaponsApropos, about this from earlier: ceramic blades can actually be made sharper than metallic ones. They weren't popular in old times because they degrade quickly if not made perfectly (almost impossible without technology), but they are starting to become somewhat common in modern kitchens.
Yes, rope rings, that's what I meant. I somehow forgot the word (that seems to happen quite often to me). But again, this is just supposed to block a blow or two at max. The goal is to survive an ambush or a theft attempt, since again, they are not soldiers. This isn't meant to be used for a real battle or war, just a little bit of protection for emergency situations.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 04:33:05 pm
I drew a Maag trader, along with the other stuff I made in the game. I think I'll try drawing each thing I make in the future because I suck at explaining things.This is great! As for imperfections, I didn't see any. Your art style is really nice to look at.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The problem with making armour from rope is that it tears up completely if only one bit of it is cut. A more effective and historically accurate fabric armour would be linothorax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linothorax).Linothorax means glue which means animal fat which means Humans. If they can make glue, they can probably make linothorax.
Post by: Vgray on June 04, 2015, 04:40:19 pm
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 04:45:42 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 04, 2015, 04:48:50 pm
What are the pantheon mechanics? If three gods in a pantheon work together to perform an action, will the action be cheaper or more powerful than if it were done by just three gods working together?Either or, i wouold assume. If something costs 1 E to do, and 3 gods all put in 1 E, it'd be more powerful. If each god put in .33 E it'd be cheaper.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 05:01:59 pm
Not what I meant. Let's say you want to fire a 3E fireball. You can fire it yourself. If you fire it with multiple people, the price per person drops from 1E each to 0-1E each due to the group discount. I want to know if being in a pantheon with those three people would give an even bigger discount, if the fireball would get a damage bonus from being made by a pantheon, or both.What are the pantheon mechanics? If three gods in a pantheon work together to perform an action, will the action be cheaper or more powerful than if it were done by just three gods working together?Either or, i wouold assume. If something costs 1 E to do, and 3 gods all put in 1 E, it'd be more powerful. If each god put in .33 E it'd be cheaper.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 05:32:27 pm
The Maag are so cute. And probably a better race for Uztot to leech off of than Humanity.
Thanks! And yeah, I guess they might be better for your character, I envision them as a very united species. If you feel like working on that go ahead, you'll probably get some worship from them too. We might want to do that IC though. Just saying I'd be open to the idea.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 05:36:22 pm
Why don't you just make a God of Efficiency or Mathematics or Abusing The System and have all this essence-grubbng be in character? :PNot what I meant. Let's say you want to fire a 3E fireball. You can fire it yourself. If you fire it with multiple people, the price per person drops from 1E each to 0-1E each due to the group discount. I want to know if being in a pantheon with those three people would give an even bigger discount, if the fireball would get a damage bonus from being made by a pantheon, or both.What are the pantheon mechanics? If three gods in a pantheon work together to perform an action, will the action be cheaper or more powerful than if it were done by just three gods working together?Either or, i wouold assume. If something costs 1 E to do, and 3 gods all put in 1 E, it'd be more powerful. If each god put in .33 E it'd be cheaper.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 05:41:07 pm
If I don't ask these questions, I'm either assuming the mechanics are in place or I'm assuming they're not. As for being in character, saying that a god's personality must match a god's sphere(s) is spherical profiling.Why don't you just make a God of Efficiency or Mathematics or Abusing The System and have all this essence-grubbng be in character? :PNot what I meant. Let's say you want to fire a 3E fireball. You can fire it yourself. If you fire it with multiple people, the price per person drops from 1E each to 0-1E each due to the group discount. I want to know if being in a pantheon with those three people would give an even bigger discount, if the fireball would get a damage bonus from being made by a pantheon, or both.What are the pantheon mechanics? If three gods in a pantheon work together to perform an action, will the action be cheaper or more powerful than if it were done by just three gods working together?Either or, i wouold assume. If something costs 1 E to do, and 3 gods all put in 1 E, it'd be more powerful. If each god put in .33 E it'd be cheaper.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 05:45:52 pm
I'm just pointing out that I'm doing fine without having price-checked anything I've made so far, even. I've done price checks recently, but if you just use reason and common sense and accept occasionally using more than you expected(and being pleasantly surprised when the reverse occurs, as I was when I made the Saplings and Great Trees), then you'll be fine. You're not at war anymore. There is no Fusil to worry about. Only a crotchety old guy and possibly Izgamlo, and they haven't done anything yet really.
Post by: Vgray on June 04, 2015, 05:55:13 pm
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 06:08:28 pm
You're not at war anymore. There is no Fusil to worry about. Only a crotchety old guy and possibly Izgamlo, and they haven't done anything yet really.I made the mistake of making the best race in Litany of the Void and now everyone is focusing on them. Mavnon, Izgamlo, Lauxal, and Stellarion have all taken a vested interest in Humanity. One is literally the god of Conflict, another I'm feuding with, the third is an evil god who thrives on insanity, and the last one is....actually ok. The point is, I need to spend enough Essence and Power protecting Humanity that I need to cut corners where I can if I want to follow my ambitions.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 06:17:56 pm
On a different note, would it be alright if I tried to establish a Great Tree (either giant oasis style or Desert Tree style) near/in a desert somewhat close(r) to the Maag and try to open up trade, FArgHalfnr?
Post by: Vgray on June 04, 2015, 06:18:11 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 06:35:10 pm
"Best". You made an all-rounder race, you made humans, which in stories are almost always the most divided and fractured of races, especially in regards to religion, and typically will be the easiest to convert because of their non-reliance on their creator.
On a different note, would it be alright if I tried to establish a Great Tree (either giant oasis style or Desert Tree style) near/in a desert somewhat close(r) to the Maag and try to open up trade, FArgHalfnr?
Why not. You can put your great tree somewhere around the Maag desert. I just ask that you don't place yourself too close, I'll need space for expansion eventually and I don't want to see territory wars happening if they can be avoided. And also, I'm curious: what kind of products do you think your saplings would trade? I don't remember seeing them doing much in terms of goods production. Or maybe that's just me imagining them as nature lover druids.
Don't forget Uztot. Most of his race relies on Humanity for their homes after all.
Stirk mentioned that they also started moving in Maag homes when I asked him if they had discovered fire yet, so they're not completely dependent of humans.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 07:48:59 pm
All the bits that fall out of the Great Tree make for great fertilizer, and it shields the crops pretty well, not to mention my beign a God of Growth and of course the Great Tree itself. Speaking of which...
$$$
Price check on making Great Tree's roots capable as functioning as mining drills/tunnels/shafts and/or actually just being able to have the roots mine up stuff and deposit it within the trunk(eventually it will be partially hollowed out to allow transit and space)?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 08:15:02 pm
Woodcrafts, possibly magical crystals if I make them, particularly if I can get Izgamlo(I think he's god of magic?) to work with me on it. Foodstuffs, exotic plants and animals, domesticated megafauna, foodstuffs, perfumes and dyes to some extent though maybe not with the Maag, labor, foodstuffs, other stuff I'll eventually make, and did I mention foodstuffs?
All the bits that fall out of the Great Tree make for great fertilizer, and it shields the crops pretty well, not to mention my beign a God of Growth and of course the Great Tree itself. Speaking of which...
$$$
Price check on making Great Tree's roots capable as functioning as mining drills/tunnels/shafts and/or actually just being able to have the roots mine up stuff and deposit it within the trunk(eventually it will be partially hollowed out to allow transit and space)?
There probably won't be a need for food considering the Maag don't eat. If you make that root drill I'd definitively be interested in surplus minerals if you end up having any.
Edit: Just realized I might need the food after all if I am going to get animals.
Post by: ~Neri on June 04, 2015, 08:25:48 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 04, 2015, 08:39:53 pm
Uh. Why do they have mouths, then?
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 09:08:36 pm
They don't eat?How do they sustain themselves? Sunlight?
Uh. Why do they have mouths, then?
Post by: Vgray on June 04, 2015, 09:16:33 pm
Lithus/Luthus selects the largest desert existing near a portion of the mantle that was exposed during the cataclysm that he can find and creates 10k specimens of his first creation.There, I went thread diving for you.Spoiler: said creation (click to show/hide)
Edit: Added picture.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 04, 2015, 09:21:07 pm
They don't eat?
Uh. Why do they have mouths, then?
How do they sustain themselves? Sunlight?
Yes, they sustain themselves by feeding from sunlight and heat(although I guess they could live from artificial light, since there in no difference between the two). The mouth is there to allow them to talk. I have no idea if they can actually eat or drink since I didn't specify at creation. I guess it will depend of what stirk choose.
Edit: Ninjaed. It keeps happening today for some reason.
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 09:32:41 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 11:20:49 pm
$$$
All ants are able to comprehend and use magic.
Post by: ~Neri on June 04, 2015, 11:26:12 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 04, 2015, 11:27:46 pm
Posting my character sheet (assuming you're still accepting them?).Spoiler: Character Sheet (click to show/hide)
Accepted, go ahead and start. If I missed any other character sheet, they are also accepted.
OOC/PM replies pushed back, either to the weekend or tomorrow.
For those interested, here is how my "priority" system works. IC is "High" priority, I try to get to it at least once a day to keep the game going. OOC is "Medium" priority, so I get it done if I get IC done. PM's are "Low" priority, so I go to them last. I try to keep read up on all of them whenever I can, including PMs who's actions are incorporated at the same time as IC. Someone offered to use a cypher system instead of PMs, but that doesn't really change the problem of PMs and just makes even more work for me :P.
I am going to sleep soon, income calculations will be attempted (may or may not get finished, even lower chance of them getting finished right :P) in the morning before work. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 04, 2015, 11:30:25 pm
Post by: Andres on June 04, 2015, 11:50:30 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 05, 2015, 12:12:29 am
If you missed the above's context, kudos to you for sportsmanship.
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 12:13:38 am
Lol at Illiseth becoming the creeper of Void Litany. Good thing I prevented him from playing with my souls.Iliseth is female, by the way.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 12:16:00 am
Also, trying to flay the soul of a god who still has plenty of power for as minor a dick move as that is rather much, don't you think? You're not going to have soul dominion over humans, you know. It simply will not happen. And not all gods seek their downfall. Hell, The God of Greed and Leadership can probably push them to greatness.
And we all need things for our plans. I, for example, need 200 Essence. More realistically speaking, I would like an answer to my price checks as well, my public ones. Your PMs do not take priority. Sorry, but it's true.
Now tell me more about this book.
Didn't Stirk say that cyphertext doesn't actually help him any, IcyTea?
Additionally, it's bad sportsmanship to read private messages, and essentially cheating. It's also bad sportsmanship to do everything privately. The whole point of games like these is building a story. If you do everything privately, well, that's not really contributing to the communal story now is it?
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 12:22:54 am
Suggestion: any time you find yourself assuming something, stop and think about it.
Soul sense to see if Great Trees are sapient or sentient.
What was that about not assuming actions could be read before they're enacted?Soul sense to see if Great Trees are sapient or sentient.
"I would rather you didn't, please..."
Your PMs do not take priority. Sorry, but it's true.Most of my price checks were asked three days ago. That's why I'm asking Stirk to read them now.
Now tell me more about this book.Why should I?
Additionally, it's bad sportsmanship to read private messages, and essentially cheating. It's also bad sportsmanship to do everything privately. The whole point of games like these is building a story. If you do everything privately, well, that's not really contributing to the communal story now is it?How is it bad sportsmanship to read PMs? Half of Ye Gods was secret actions. It's not bad sportsmanship. Bad sportsmanship is complaining when you suddenly get crapped on because your opponent chose to do his actions secretly instead of announcing them to the world. You're assuming what this game is for. For me, this game is a game first and story second.
Post by: Vgray on June 05, 2015, 12:27:39 am
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 12:28:21 am
I believe he was referring to breaking ciphers...That makes more sense.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 12:35:54 am
Because I asked you to.
This isn't Ye Gods. I'm not talking about a few actions, I'm talking about doing essentially all of them secretly, like how Cim did in Ye Gods, and how Aurroseu seems to be continuing that tradition. Moreover, it's quite clear that you see this as a game, from the way you try and play it. Competitively, constantly, against both the rules and players. Rather than cooperatively. You think in terms of opponents and winning. You can't win this. Nobody 'won' Ye Gods. Nobody was going to. If you to speak from the perspective of Ye Gods, then remember all the times KJP talked about how he sometimes fudged stuff to make a better story. That's why a single God could hold off three.
And it's really not an assumption. This is an RPG. My definition of RPGs, and the one I grew up with and one most people I've met seem to agree on, is that it's cooperative story-telling with possible elements of random chance. If you have a different definition that you think suits the term better and it's not a literal mathematically correct definition that doesn't actually tell someone anything about it, then I'd love to hear it.
But yes I was talking about breaking cyphers. I like that Stirk has prioritized more public actions, as it gives an inherent downside to secrecy/price checks that makes sense: it takes longer.
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 12:45:45 am
But you, you said you were assuming.'Assuming' may have been the wrong word. 'Inferring' would've been better. I was inferring that because such a rule was in Ye Gods and Stirk said that Litany is mostly Ye Gods, the same rule would carry over. I was inferring that I could tell what he was gonna do based on other people in this game knowing the actions of others before they were done. Then again, even 'inferring' might not be the right word. I'm not great with semantics.
You think in terms of opponents and winning. You can't win this. Nobody 'won' Ye Gods. Nobody was going to.I'm allowed to be a competitive player who plays a competitive god. Yes I can. True. Cim was going to.
If I complete my god's grand ambition, I consider that to be me having won the game. For example, Cim's ultimate goal was to put all the gods in stasis and rule alone. If he had done that, he would've won the game no question about it.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 12:56:39 am
As for the real reason I posted; I have no idea who Liram is talking to, or what he's talking about, for that matter.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 05, 2015, 12:57:52 am
Didn't Stirk say that cyphertext doesn't actually help him any, IcyTea?Did he? I must have missed that.
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It's also bad sportsmanship to do everything privately. The whole point of games like these is building a story. If you do everything privately, well, that's not really contributing to the communal story now is it?You are lucky to not have a player actively opposing you. You don't need to hide most of your actions, as nobody wants to counter them. And I'm actually doing less things in private than certain players right now.
Beyond that, using ciphertext also works for the story, as I can reveal the key once the game is over so that everyone can read what's been going on behind the scenes.
How is it bad sportsmanship to read PMs?It's metagaming to read PMs not meant for you, including pseudo-PMs with ciphers. That is, using information you wouldn't normally have gained to your advantage.
Moreover, it's quite clear that you see this as a game, from the way you try and play it. Competitively, constantly, against both the rules and players. Rather than cooperatively. You think in terms of opponents and winning. You can't win this. Nobody 'won' Ye Gods. Nobody was going to.In a game without a win condition, you win by having fun, and lose if you don't. You can win even if you 'lose'. However, ennui is the main villain of a game such as this, and having challenges to surpass keeps it away. If everyone co-operated perfectly, the only conflict would come from things the GM throws at the players. If some players work against each other, more conflict happens, with more challenges for everyone involved, and hopefully more fun.
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If you have a different definition that you think suits the term better and it's not a literal mathematically correct definition that doesn't actually tell someone anything about it, then I'd love to hear it.RPG: role-playing game. As a primary mechanic of a game, players assume the roles of fictional characters. This is a very broad definition, and one size fits many, for there are many different kinds of RPGs. Personally, to me god games are more narrowly 'politics simulations', similar to "Model U.N." Each player assumes the role of a powerful entity with agendas to push, and is supposed to persuade, coerce, compromise and fight to get those agendas through. Interplayer conflict comes naturally.
I'm allowed to be a competitive player who plays a competitive god. Yes I can. True. Cim was going to.Wrong. That was Cim's original goal (well, part of it), but as the game evolved, more goals came and the other gods had their uses. Beyond that, it's the journey, not the goal. Cim had enough Essence to perform the complete stasis it at any time, but a dramatic enough moment to deploy it didn't happen. And yes, KJP would have vetoed it even if every other god wouldn't have come to instantly lynch Cim for it.
If I complete my god's grand ambition, I consider that to be me having won the game. For example, Cim's ultimate goal was to put all the gods in stasis and rule alone. If he had done that, he would've won the game no question about it.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 05, 2015, 01:03:50 am
Didn't Stirk say that cyphertext doesn't actually help him any, IcyTea?Did he? I must have missed that.
Someone offered to use a cypher system instead of PMs, but that doesn't really change the problem of PMs and just makes even more work for me :P.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 05, 2015, 01:04:26 am
So you're not planning on doing anything with that mountain? The Maag can't mine it, after all. Is it ok if Humanity expands there and trades the minerals they get with the Maag?
I'm definitively planning to do something with the mountain, I'm not building it in the middle of the Maag territory just to look pretty. I just need to get it to a proper size and get to know how much essence I have before starting my plan. If you do claim it I will consider it an invasion and will probably start a war over it. And also, it's in the middle of a scorching desert next to an exposed bit of the mantle, so the place is probably very hostile to human life.
And what do you mean by "The Maag can't mine it"? I don't see why they couldn't.
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 01:12:31 am
And also, it's in the middle of a scorching desert next to an exposed bit of the mantle, so the place is probably very hostile to human life.I've studied enough Chenkov to know how to solve this problem.
And what do you mean by "The Maag can't mine it"? I don't see why they couldn't.I was assuming it would be like a normal mountain. Mines tend to not have very much sunlight and more importantly, they're very cold. Based on the fact that Maag get sustenance from warmth rather than food, I'm also guessing they're cold-blooded which means they can't even heat up the mines with their own body temperature. They'd freeze to death.
Post by: Vgray on June 05, 2015, 01:16:29 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 05, 2015, 01:19:12 am
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 01:20:32 am
If you really need a hint as to what 'other' feelings Uztot is thinking of...just think about his primary sphere for a second.Oh yeah. My god's about to go Khorne on Patronius' ass too if he doesn't back down.
Now, while Iliseth's motives for defending her followers are as she stated, I the player wanted to know if this would have any repercussions on what the mortals think of the gods. The stone of the gods' speech records all that we say, after all, and pretty much everyone would be able to read by now.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 05, 2015, 01:21:59 am
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 01:23:16 am
It may record everything, but at least two thirds of the mortal population don't have access to it.There's also the Divine Library which can be accessed by anyone who lives in a city.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 05, 2015, 01:28:26 am
I was assuming it would be like a normal mountain. Mines tend to not have very much sunlight and more importantly, they're very cold. Based on the fact that Maag get sustenance from warmth rather than food, I'm also guessing they're cold-blooded which means they can't even heat up the mines with their own body temperature. They'd freeze to death.
That makes sense, but that won't be a problem with my plan. And also, they'd probably be closer to a solar panel or a plant than a cold-blooded being, but both would probably react the same to cold. I'm not even sure if they even have blood. As far as I know they could use a completely different system to move oxygen around their body. I made them silicon-based instead of carbon-based, so they have the potential to be quite different internally from other lifeforms. (And also, everything except the first sentence is completely irrelevant to your argument, I just noticed that.)
If you really need a hint as to what 'other' feelings Uztot is thinking of...just think about his primary sphere for a second.
I get it, and yeah, that would actually be pretty useful to have an increased reproduction rate. As long as it doesn't go out of control or force them to do it against their will.
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 01:41:50 am
And also, they'd probably be closer to a solar panel or a plant than a cold-blooded being, but both would probably react the same to cold. I'm not even sure if they even have blood. As far as I know they could use a completely different system to move oxygen around their body.
They feed from the sun's energy and the ambient heat rather than traditional food and drinks, being perfectly at ease even in the hottest of the desert, but being intolerant of the more temperate climates, requiring an artificial heat source to maintain them in good shape.This is just a guess but maybe they require both sunlight and ambient heat to survive? It could be because warmth has different nutrients that sunlight doesn't supply enough of on its own. (I don't even know.)
Even if ambient heat was normally optional, it would become necessary in a mine. Mines are colder than temperate climates so an artificial heat source would be needed in the mines to keep the Maag operational. Since we're still low-tech, that would mean torches which would need to be numerous enough to heat up the mine rather than just provide light. This would quickly remove the oxygen in the mine which would be bad because the Maag need oxygen to live, as you yourself said.
You could spend some Essence on a magical or technological solution or....you can hire Human workers. They can work in such conditions and unlike Dwarves, they won't refuse to keep a monopoly they don't have.
Ah, so that's what he was talking about. For some reason I read "primary" as "secondary". I'm not even tired so I have no idea why.If you really need a hint as to what 'other' feelings Uztot is thinking of...just think about his primary sphere for a second.
I get it, and yeah, that would actually be pretty useful to have an increased reproduction rate. As long as it doesn't go out of control or force them to do it against their will.
Post by: Vgray on June 05, 2015, 01:49:12 am
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 01:52:11 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 05, 2015, 01:59:42 am
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 02:03:06 am
Post by: Vgray on June 05, 2015, 02:04:38 am
Now I want to do a suggestion game about Alprozem, even though it would probably be terrible.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 05, 2015, 02:16:21 am
So long as Ye Gods events would have an impact on the prophet's job, I'd be into it.The story would continue from where Ye Gods left off, or possibly from some other point in the timeline if readers would like. The events of Legacy or Litany or any other spinoff won't have an effect, but those of the 'official' sequel might.
Now I want to do a suggestion game about Alprozem, even though it would probably be terrible."You are in your home cave with your beautiful wife and gem hoard. You're tired."
">Sleep."
"You have a good night's rest. You're still tired."
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 05, 2015, 04:41:57 am
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Alicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy. She loves every single follower dearly
order them to become the loyal pets of powerful leaders.Lol
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 05:07:30 am
Those things aren't even sapient and can't be followers. Why should she care about them?QuoteAlicia is a loving goddess, dedicated to making everyone happy. She loves every single follower dearlyorder them to become the loyal pets of powerful leaders.Lol
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 05, 2015, 05:49:00 am
Post by: Dutrius on June 05, 2015, 05:51:53 am
If there was a day/night cycle, that would leave the initial survival of the Maag mysterious. They were born in a desert where the nights are cold and there's no wood so I'm not sure how they could've made a fire. There aren't any furry animals to make clothing or sleeping bags out of either. Exactly how flammable are the Maag, again?
I'd imagine there would have been caves, which while cool are at a constant temperature usually above that of a desert at night. He also put them close to exposed pieces of mantle, so that's a heat source.
As for Maag flammability, why doesn't the god of fire do some !!Science!! :P
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 06:47:15 am
$$$
Price check on an interactive holographic computer that lets me simulate the behaviour of a soul or souls (up to 1E worth of souls) without actually creating the souls (naturally, I'd be able to perform science with the simulations)
Price check on the above if I needed to input 1 Power per three simulations
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 05, 2015, 07:19:06 am
Power price check on engraving a slab of rock in the dwarven tunnels with the secrets of the three basic traps (stone-fall, weapon, cage)
Power price check on engraving a slab of rock in the dwarven tunnels with the blueprints for the magma forge and magma smelter
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 08:15:40 am
And don't get me wrong, conflict is fun, but conflict between characters, not between players. There's a difference; one can be fun, the other's usually stressful.
I typically think of God games as a form of strategy game, with diplomacy 'mechanics'. Resource management and utility. Which explains a lot about the different ways we play, actually, now that I think about it.
Also, @Andres/FArg
Or he could hire Saplings or trade things that provide warmth while they're down there. Alternatively, because it's near a mantle, it could likely get warmer rather than colder as you go down.
Also they don't really need to eat all the time constantly or DIE, in all likelihood. They can go stretches without food/sunlight, most likely.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 05, 2015, 10:14:57 am
Edit: And for flammability, I don't know. I specified that they were silicon based instead of carbon based, and IIRC that would make them much more resistant to heat, without taking in account the heat resistance I gave them. I can imagine two scenarios other than burning to death: Either they just can't catch fire, or they actually benefit from the extra warmth. That would be funny.
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 05, 2015, 12:38:03 pm
Sorry, but I won't need any help for my mining plans, I already have everything sorted out. Actually you could probably guess what I'm going to do if you looked at the previous pricechecks I've made.I actually want to try burning one of those cute little creatures as my first action as a god. Would anyone else be opposed if this was done with a willing test subject?
Edit: And for flammability, I don't know. I specified that they were silicon based instead of carbon based, and IIRC that would make them much more resistant to heat, without taking in account the heat resistance I gave them. I can imagine two scenarios other than burning to death: Either they just can't catch fire, or they actually benefit from the extra warmth. That would be funny.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 05, 2015, 01:08:25 pm
Sorry, but I won't need any help for my mining plans, I already have everything sorted out. Actually you could probably guess what I'm going to do if you looked at the previous pricechecks I've made.I actually want to try burning one of those cute little creatures as my first action as a god. Would anyone else be opposed if this was done with a willing test subject?
Edit: And for flammability, I don't know. I specified that they were silicon based instead of carbon based, and IIRC that would make them much more resistant to heat, without taking in account the heat resistance I gave them. I can imagine two scenarios other than burning to death: Either they just can't catch fire, or they actually benefit from the extra warmth. That would be funny.
You could just make a soulless clone with power and set it on fire.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 05, 2015, 02:22:10 pm
Sorry, but I won't need any help for my mining plans, I already have everything sorted out. Actually you could probably guess what I'm going to do if you looked at the previous pricechecks I've made.I actually want to try burning one of those cute little creatures as my first action as a god. Would anyone else be opposed if this was done with a willing test subject?
Edit: And for flammability, I don't know. I specified that they were silicon based instead of carbon based, and IIRC that would make them much more resistant to heat, without taking in account the heat resistance I gave them. I can imagine two scenarios other than burning to death: Either they just can't catch fire, or they actually benefit from the extra warmth. That would be funny.
You could just make a soulless clone with power and set it on fire.
Or try burning an already dead one first.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 05, 2015, 02:44:23 pm
((We can contribute sphere bonuses?))Even zero-resource assistance gives a discount and power boost to an action, especially if the assisting god has an aligned sphere. Or at least that's how it worked in YG.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 05, 2015, 02:59:21 pm
Post by: Andres on June 05, 2015, 04:26:14 pm
This answers my question of whether having multiple gods help on a project results in a more powerful project even when using the same amount of Essence.((We can contribute sphere bonuses?))Even zero-resource assistance gives a discount and power boost to an action
EDIT: What's OVERFLOW? Is it something we inherently know or something we have to find out?
Post by: micelus on June 05, 2015, 05:32:03 pm
Pactbinder(s): prophet/immortal raised from one of the mortal races that can perform the art of Pactbinding.
Pactbinding (Type of 'Magic'): rituals of Mavnon that when conducted, empower the individual in exchange for some form of payment to Mavnon. In practice, pactbinding is a form of ritual magic. The Lesser Pacts are nameless and only require a certain amount of worship to Mavnon. They result in minor gifts to the individual; none at all if the worship is insincere. The Greater Pacts are named and require far more sacrifice than just worship, but also give far better gifts. Greater Pacts are directly created by Mavnon and unlike Lesser Pacts, must be individually approved by the god himself.
The Hunter's Glare (Greater Pact): A pact requiring the sacrifice of a 15Ls of blood (it source is a non-factor), this empowers the celebrant with quickened reflexes and unnatural senses.
Parting of Lovers (Greater Pact): A pact requiring immense dedication on the celebrant's part, it requires a sapient willing sacrifice. It grants immunity to age, disease and increased intelligence.
The same as above but with a sentient; willingness is not needed.
The Ascendance of Archons (Greater Pact): A pact requiring the willing sacrifice of the celebrant's earlier memories as well as lifespan, it rewires the mind so as to be as charismatic as possible. Celebrant are also able to accurately read body language of any species without difficulty.
Tapping the Streams: A pact requiring a promise of a decade of worship Mavnon, this allows access to Izgalmo's portal magic until the decade is over. Neither memory nor life force use used.
Grant immortality to ambitious sapling. When he dies, a seed is released which grows a small shrub. This eventually births the immortal once more. The mortal is blessed with charisma and the desire for conquest.
Create 100 Durazni, non-sentient automatons that simply follow the mental orders of their assigned master. This is chosen by Mavnon. When in use, Durazni are physical extensions of their master, maintaining all magical or physical blessings. Durazni are agile, made of flexible but durable crystal and reproduce by budding. They feed via photosynthesis.
Create 1000 Durazni.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 08:52:23 pm
Grant immortality to ambitious sapling. When he dies, a seed is released which grows a small shrub. This eventually births the immortal once more. The mortal is blessed with charisma and the desire for conquest.$$$
Price check so that when he dies the shrub is a normal shrub instead.
Don't need no wars burning any Great Trees, mang.
Also, Andres didn't notice my response, 'parently.
Post by: micelus on June 05, 2015, 09:13:24 pm
And even if fighting did take place between saplings, why would they burn the Trees? That sounds suicidal.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 05, 2015, 09:17:14 pm
They're 'united' in the sense that they're 'led' by the Great Trees. It's not very hierarchical, and in order for that Sapling to become a leader he'd have to get all the other Saplings to do what he says, and they're not a particularly war-like people. They probably wouldn't want to.
Then again, the Great Tree might just smush him if he gets too uppity for her liking. Like a rotten apple. Not sure what they'd conquest or why they'd have a reason to want to, either, beyond that desire he'd have. I've been trying to make sure they're happy and have what they need. 'Course, if logging starts becoming an occupation among 'dem humies and dorfs, then let's talk, and I'll even work with you. And yes, I have slowly been realizing that Saplings are kinda like DF elves.
Post by: micelus on June 05, 2015, 09:30:10 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 06, 2015, 03:46:52 am
So does that mean Skolld only has 1E left?
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 03:48:29 am
Price check on this (https://rv.wkcdn.net/http://rigvedawiki.net/r1/pds/Fat_-_Vimana_(5).jpg) thing
Price check on the above if the throne lets a god stay active when they hit 1 Crux
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 06, 2015, 04:03:07 am
Price check on creating Instrumental Magic.
Instrumental magic is magic produced by playing musical instruments. Not all people and instuments are capable of producing Instrumental magic. People need to be good at playing music and need to be followers of Alicia. Instruments need to be enchanted by Alicia herself or people that have been appointed by Alicia to do so. Those who practice Instrumental magic are called Instrumentalists.
The lowest tier of Instrumental magic is the Mental Tier. This includes stuff such as buffing or debuffing others. Raising or lowering the morale of armies is one of the most common uses of the Mental Tier. The middle tier is the Interaction Tier. The effects of Interaction Tier Instrumental Magic can be observed. This tier includes healing or causing wounds out of nowhere. The highest and most powerful tier is the Physical Tier. This tier is all about creating objects through music. Most of these are temporary, such as a bridge over a ravine, but the most powerful Instrumentalists are able to create permanent objects.
Post by: ~Neri on June 06, 2015, 04:20:53 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 06, 2015, 04:25:43 am
I assume Bagpipes can cause heads to explode?Hahaha, see what you did there.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 04:31:43 am
I assume Bagpipes can cause heads to explode?inb4 god of Eldritch (again).
The highest and most powerful tier is the Physical Tier. This tier is all about creating objects through music. Most of these are temporary, such as a bridge over a ravine, but the most powerful Instrumentalists are able to create permanent objects.Shouldn't this tier be called the Creation tier?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 06, 2015, 09:17:38 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 06, 2015, 09:20:17 am
Creation sounds too permanent for me, since there should be a max of 2-3 people at a time that are able to permanently create something using instrumental magic.I assume Bagpipes can cause heads to explode?inb4 god of Eldritch (again).The highest and most powerful tier is the Physical Tier. This tier is all about creating objects through music. Most of these are temporary, such as a bridge over a ravine, but the most powerful Instrumentalists are able to create permanent objects.Shouldn't this tier be called the Creation tier?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 09:23:53 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 06, 2015, 09:25:30 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 09:26:24 am
How much is 1 Crux worth in Essence/Power?As per the rules, 1 crux is equal to 1 Essence or 2 Power
Post by: Jbg97 on June 06, 2015, 09:30:08 am
Huh, would've expected that to be a bit more.How much is 1 Crux worth in Essence/Power?As per the rules, 1 crux is equal to 1 Essence or 2 Power
Can we convert Essence and Power into Crux to heal ourselves?
Also, >calling this genocide
It's more like your average Mass Ethnic Cleansing.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 09:35:06 am
Unknown if power or essence can be used to heal yourself. No one has tried yet and it isn't mentioned in the rules.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 06, 2015, 09:39:11 am
Genocide is mass ethnic cleansing though?
>the joke
>your head
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 09:40:29 am
Your going to accomplish zilch with 6 power when there's 6 power blocking you from doing anything btw.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 06, 2015, 09:41:57 am
Instead of being obnoxious about how I missed your so-called "joke", you could actually explain what you meant and how it constitutes a joke. Because yes, I'm totally not getting your joke.The joke is that a mass ethnic cleansing is a genocide.
Also, if essence is worth 1 crux, and 1 crux is worth 2 power, can I covert Essence into power?
There, redacted. Now go do something with the 20 or so Power i saved you people.
Post by: Dutrius on June 06, 2015, 04:18:38 pm
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 05:23:46 pm
When you create a magic system, you can call it what you want Andres.Please stop trying to replace Stirk with me, Rolep. I was just giving a suggestion.
I'm totally not getting your joke.This is the crux of his joke. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide)
It was a good joke. :D
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 05:30:13 pm
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 05:40:37 pm
I have to ask, is it intentional that Iliseth is so literal?It wasn't just that the kid was being literal, it's that what happens to souls should be known well enough with both the Slab and the Divine Library providing information. The Sapling would've asked other Saplings before a god and they would've provided the answer to what happens when a person dies. They can't answer what happens when a soul dies so it makes sense that the Sapling would then ask a god.
Still waiting on Humanity to start burning Patronius effigies.... :P
Post by: Jbg97 on June 06, 2015, 06:08:15 pm
Just be aware that since so many of us opposed you, each of us would only have to spend a little each if we wanted to block you.That's why i retracted it.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 06, 2015, 06:11:20 pm
But why? It makes sense, gods make mistakes.Just be aware that since so many of us opposed you, each of us would only have to spend a little each if we wanted to block you.That's why i retracted it.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 06:12:52 pm
I think it was just so the action would be cancelled.But why? It makes sense, gods make mistakes.Just be aware that since so many of us opposed you, each of us would only have to spend a little each if we wanted to block you.That's why i retracted it.
A strike-through is an approved way of deleting actions if you don't want to remove the post.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 06:20:26 pm
Either way, I personally hope Stirk makes you do the action anyway.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 06:31:08 pm
Didn't KJP have a rule about canceling actions in the original Ye Gods?He said try not to cancel PM-ed actions.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 06:35:03 pm
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 06:55:46 pm
Ah. My sentiment stands.Not quite. Cancelling actions done in the thread is ok because you can retroactively change it and he wouldn't need to do any extra work. Cancelling PM-ed actions means sending another PM to cancel the action and that adds more complexity to the problem.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 07:12:05 pm
Edit: The Elven language as spoken by DF Elves has failed me.
Unless anyone thinks Iniraano or Iniraino is a good name for the Hearth Keepers.
Post by: Stirk on June 06, 2015, 07:50:04 pm
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Sorry bout this. I have been buying a most of the stuff I've pricechecked so far though? (I think so at least) But you missed one, and I think this is the one I might actually be able to afford this tick.
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Chitin observatories: 3-4E
That would technically be possible, but I would personally prefer if it was the souls of the dead that got summoned into temporary (or permanent) corporal bodies depending on the deal they made.
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Deals would be a sacrificial format. Ghosts probably could use life energy or bodies for example.
Technically the summoning deal system could be made with gods also. Summoning an aspect. In Nilva's case, someone could make a deal to summon a cottage sized giant wolf for x amount of time in exchange for y amount of dead goatwolves sacrificed for them. Where y is double to the cost of making and maintaining the giant wolf for the agreed upon summoning period of x.
((Thanks Demon)
Magic system like that (assuming I understand): 6-8E
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Hey, while you're there stirk, is the scientific/artistic progress currently going on in the universe enough to start giving me sphere essence?
It will be next tick, but your Influence hasn't gotten you any Essence yet. Generally your sphere casts a wider net, so a significant amount of progress has to be going on for you to get essence.
$$$ANSWERS NEXT
4-5 giants: 7-8E
Nilva making nobody: 10E
Iliseth making nobody: 8E
Shaping Growth magic: Variant, depends on power source, Strength, etc. Probably 3-4E assuming it is powered by essence and takes a medium-sized group to significantly effect Growth.
Coal-trees: 1-2E
Steel trees: 2-3E, 3-4E if it can be used easily.
Crystals: 3-4E
Shadow Crystals: 3-4E
Umbra (what similar creature are in my mod :P): ~5E for 10K, assuming human-esque abilities and normal ability to interact with the world.
3-D Umbra: 5E for 10K, assuming human like abilities.
Animal-great-treese: 4-5E. Welps not included in deal.
Deathbed phenomena-Why would you want that? (Seriously, though, that is breaking both the Expy rule and the no Ye Gods copying rule)
Unspawning all wildlife: (? ? ?) (Since you are not even planning on doing it, why not just ask the question "Which is cheaper, making or uncreatubg things?" It would be easier for both of us if you just asked what you want to know.)
P sure a deity would counter the attempt to despawn.
Counter: Everyone seems to assume you can do that. I wonder if counters really work :-X.
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Pocket afterlife: Already done. 4-5E.
Congrats on getting more players than Ye Gods, Stirk!
Honesty I was expected 5-7 players...
Am I getting any better at fighting from my constant sparring? Will I get an alert/notification/other when I've advanced a "level"? Would lifting heavy rocks help?
You don't appear to be. No. No.
That's nothing. Cim got seriously damaged by a rock thrown in a snow fight in the Death Battle Plane. Granted, said rock came from a weapon specifically designed to kill gods, but believe me, you're never safe. Even in a place specifically designed to prevent any damage, up to and including death, from affecting you.
Well it was shot by the most powerful Archangel in existence with a sword (in the form of a launcher) that had more essence put into it then the planets had put into Creation (sniping at least hundred thousand miles away) with enough essence boost to recreate the DBP several times over put in as a boost. I could have gotten you in your Dimension too, (like I did with Yaos), but I figured that would make you even more paranoid and hard to kill in the long run...
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I drew a Maag trader, along with the other stuff I made in the game. I think I'll try drawing each thing I make in the future because I suck at explaining things.
If it helps, you are great at drawing things :P.
Exactly what I had in mind. Probably won't do anything to block a metal sword, but people seems to have nothing better than clay shards at the moment in terms of weapons, so I've figured it might be able to block a few blows. That or make a predator's job harder to gain some time.
Well all those are stabbing weapons, which could fit th makes it easier to break and loosen other nearby parts of the suit. As the ropes loosen, the armour becomes less and less effective, and will soon fall apart entirely. [/quote]
Being hit hard enough to tear a thick rope that is presumably limp would probably break the poor little guy's insides :-\.
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Yes, rope rings, that's what I meant. I somehow forgot the word (that seems to happen quite often to me). But again, this is just supposed to block a blow or two at max. The goal is to survive an ambush or a theft attempt, since again, they are not soldiers. This isn't meant to be used for a real battle or war, just a little bit of protection for emergency situations.
Considering I probably can't form a coherent sentience in any non-English living language, I think we can all understand.
What are the pantheon mechanics? If three gods in a pantheon work together to perform an action, will the action be cheaper or more powerful than if it were done by just three gods working together?
As I believe I said before, there is no mechanics for pantheons. Pantheons would have to make their own contracts specifying what they effect.
$$$ANSWERS NEXT
Drill roots: 2-4E
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Yes, they sustain themselves by feeding from sunlight and heat(although I guess they could live from artificial light, since there in no difference between the two). The mouth is there to allow them to talk. I have no idea if they can actually eat or drink since I didn't specify at creation. I guess it will depend of what stirk choose.
Eh, it is your creation. You can choose. If neither of us choose, we will just have to avoid mentioning it.
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Stirk, what's up with the regular ants not being able to understand/use magic? ???
They where created as "more intelligent then real life ants". Most where still far less then human's intelligence, making understanding complex concepts difficult. All ants now have an advanced understanding of the magic, thanks to your boost.
You know, I feel like blasphemy technically is worship. You're putting effort into letting the deity know you don't like them. You're still putting effort into thinking about them and doing stuff related to them. You're just doing it in a way that says "I dun liek u"
It may be worship, but that doesn't necessarily make it Worship :P.
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Most of my price checks were asked three days ago. That's why I'm asking Stirk to read them now.
I have read them. 5+ pricechecks take some time to get to, especially when I don't have time for even OOC. Try to avoid having plans that hinge on me being able to answer PMs in any sort of timely fashion.
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The story would continue from where Ye Gods left off, or possibly from some other point in the timeline if readers would like. The events of Legacy or Litany or any other spinoff won't have an effect, but those of the 'official' sequel might.
That one I kidnapped seemed like a nice guy. I wonder what his story was?
Heat of Mines: In my limited experience with underground mines, miners, and mining-focused-thinkers, mines are pretty hot and get hotter the deeper you go down. Mines would be the perfect place for them, since they have ambient heat on their side. Modern mines have ventilation for this reason, the deepest mines are hot enough to kill a man if it wasn't ventilated.
Even then, I am assuming they can go a few days without "eating", like humans and real-life plants can. Working a 9-5 in the mine won't kill them, but it may devote their soul to the company store instead of the proper deity :P.
$$$ANSWERS ANDRES HAS LIKE TEN NOW
Soul Analogue: (? ? ?)(Requires knowlage of souls to properly program, you cheapskate)
Engraving messages: 1P. You still have to spend essence to actually give complex technologies :P.
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Edit: And for flammability, I don't know. I specified that they were silicon based instead of carbon based, and IIRC that would make them much more resistant to heat, without taking in account the heat resistance I gave them. I can imagine two scenarios other than burning to death: Either they just can't catch fire, or they actually benefit from the extra warmth. That would be funny.
That happened in the original Ye Gods with Golems. Naturally, I was the one who had the idea to set them on fire. This event was chronicled in Dreamerghost's sig.
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EDIT: What's OVERFLOW? Is it something we inherently know or something we have to find out?
OVERFLOW means that you spent more essence then you had on hand and had to dip into Crux. You do not get OVERFLOW message if you knew ahead of time that you where doing this, such as by saying "Use Crux if I need to". It is mostly a warning so you don't kill yourself by overspending.
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Raising prophet: 1-2E
Pactbinding Magic system: 6-7E, assuming the Prophets are the only ones who can use it. Assumes it is powered by Worship, may cut into it if large actions are used too often.
Sentient Prophet: 1-2E
Sorry, but I have a hard time seeing what is under the Magic system and what isn't. I will assume the bottom three aren't, and that all the "Pacts" are.
Immortal sapling: 1-2E
100 Durazni: 1E
1000 Durazni: 1-2E
Wait, so Skolld has used 5E on the Maagwolves, and 4E on the elemental wolves.
So does that mean Skolld only has 1E left?
Dunno. I think you had some gain. Check the tick?
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Instrumental Magic: 4-5E (assuming powered by the enchantments)
How much is 1 Crux worth in Essence/Power?
1E or 2P.
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Huh, would've expected that to be a bit more.
There was only E in regular Ye Gods :P.
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Can we convert Essence and Power into Crux to heal ourselves?
I won't stop you from trying ( :-X)
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Also, if essence is worth 1 crux, and 1 crux is worth 2 power, can I covert Essence into power?
Can you?
Just be aware that since so many of us opposed you, each of us would only have to spend a little each if we wanted to block you.
I wonder if we are ever going to see if the technique of "Blocking by throwing energy at it" really works? After all, without a council, nobody has any veto power~.
Didn't KJP have a rule about canceling actions in the original Ye Gods?
Either way, I personally hope Stirk makes you do the action anyway.
Canceling actions is fine, though you generally shouldn't do it for OOC reasons. "Backing down" after seeing all the negative response to a creation is fine. Everyone just does it in secret anyway...
Post by: Happy Demon on June 06, 2015, 08:09:56 pm
Basically, the value of things are:
1P = 1P
1E = 2P
1C = 4P
But with a 50% penalty, 1C translates into 1E, rather than 2E, and 2P rather than 4P.
So if you want to get Crux, you'll have to either give 8P or 4E.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 08:16:02 pm
Nilva making nobody: 10EThis means that creating 10k Human bodies without souls is 1E unaligned....which means it'll cost a total of 6E for an unaligned person to create 10k Humans. I am happy with these results.
Iliseth making nobody: 8E
Soul Analogue: (? ? ?)(Requires knowlage of souls to properly program, you cheapskate)Experimenting with actual souls is cheaper. This computer would only serve to let me experiment without needing actual sapient test subjects.
$$$
Price check on a computer that can analyse a soul or souls whose total worth worth is/are 1E or less and save its/their data
With (? ? ?) prices for price checks, does that mean I can't do the thing at all or that I can do it but I won't know how much Essence it costs?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 06, 2015, 08:28:50 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 06, 2015, 08:41:26 pm
With (? ? ?) prices for price checks, does that mean I can't do the thing at all or that I can do it but I won't know how much Essence it costs?
I think that means you have no way to know that, mostly because that only seems to happen when you try to ask the price of experimental stuff.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 08:49:42 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 08:51:28 pm
I think you missed mine again(though it was for carving a slab in the dwarven tunnels with diagrams, so it might just be free.)Nope?
Quote from: Stirk
Engraving messages: 1P. You still have to spend essence to actually give complex technologies :P.
Post by: ~Neri on June 06, 2015, 08:58:16 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 06, 2015, 09:03:39 pm
Would it benefit the Maag at all if I made small number of special lava spirits who inhabit things like volcanoes and exposed mantle flows?
I'm not sure how that would help them. They are far enough from the mantle not to be affected by it's heat. It probably wouldn't be harmful either, depending on how you make them. As long as they're not hostile or don't try to destroy things built by the Maag I have no problem with them. If you just want to be helpful I guess you could make the spirits you already have make the fires they inhabit stronger or last longer. How exactly do you think the lava spirits could be beneficial?
It would prolly be a good idea for the reproduction systems of all the races are clarified.
The Maag reproduce like humans. For the Saag, you can look at their sheet.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 09:04:16 pm
It would prolly be a good idea for the reproduction systems of all the races are clarified.No it wouldn't. Every time we made a new race we'd have to say "they reproduce by having sex" and that's just awkward.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 06, 2015, 09:05:40 pm
It would prolly be a good idea for the reproduction systems of all the races are clarified.No it wouldn't. Every time we made a new race we'd have to say "they reproduce by having sex" and that's just awkward.
Yeah, I'd assume that if someone want an unusual way to reproduce they would mention it when creating their race.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 09:11:26 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 06, 2015, 09:18:00 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 09:20:03 pm
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Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 09:49:47 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 06, 2015, 10:02:25 pm
Edit: The Elven language as spoken by DF Elves has failed me.I actually like it. Though that may be just the fact that the syllable structure of Elvish is based on my native language. (You can thank Tolkien and the thousands of copycats for that)
Unless anyone thinks Iniraano or Iniraino is a good name for the Hearth Keepers.
I wonder if we are ever going to see if the technique of "Blocking by throwing energy at it" really works? After all, without a council, nobody has any veto power~.A god could just run behind another and block or reverse every action. I don't see why it would be impossible to throw a shield over every fireball-targeted being, curse anything blessed, or transformed anything transformed so that the objects will be in their original forms.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 10:03:41 pm
A god could just run behind another and block or reverse every action. I don't see why it would be impossible to throw a shield over every fireball-targeted being, curse anything blessed, or transformed anything transformed so that the objects will be in their original forms.Indeed.
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 10:15:44 pm
Feel free to use both/either as the godly/scholarly name for the Hearth Keepers.Edit: The Elven language as spoken by DF Elves has failed me.I actually like it. Though that may be just the fact that the syllable structure of Elvish is based on my native language. (You can thank Tolkien and the thousands of copycats for that)
Unless anyone thinks Iniraano or Iniraino is a good name for the Hearth Keepers.I wonder if we are ever going to see if the technique of "Blocking by throwing energy at it" really works? After all, without a council, nobody has any veto power~.A god could just run behind another and block or reverse every action. I don't see why it would be impossible to throw a shield over every fireball-targeted being, curse anything blessed, or transformed anything transformed so that the objects will be in their original forms.
Post by: ~Neri on June 06, 2015, 10:19:15 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 10:21:13 pm
How Do the Hearth Keepers reproduce anyways? Was that ever specified?They steal the souls of children and turn them into new hearth keepers obviously.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 10:37:00 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 06, 2015, 10:38:35 pm
How Do the Hearth Keepers reproduce anyways? Was that ever specified?No it wasn't. Mitosis makes as much sense as anything though.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 10:40:36 pm
It would mean that every Hearth Keeper needs to commit suicide in order to reproduce. Keep it vague or my god will be forced to use soul sense to observe the reproduction.How Do the Hearth Keepers reproduce anyways? Was that ever specified?No it wasn't. Mitosis makes as much sense as anything though.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 10:41:55 pm
Such a creeper.It would mean that every Hearth Keeper needs to commit suicide in order to reproduce. Keep it vague or my god will be forced to use soul sense to observe the reproduction.How Do the Hearth Keepers reproduce anyways? Was that ever specified?No it wasn't. Mitosis makes as much sense as anything though.
Are you going to do your glorious stuff publicly?
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 10:46:47 pm
Such a creeper.She's a scientist, not a pervert. Besides, I'm not entirely sure I can see anything besides souls when I'm using soul sense.
Are you going to do your glorious stuff publicly?
Probably, but but doing it secretly is also an option considering Stirk has the weekend free.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 10:47:55 pm
"I'm stalking you for science!"Such a creeper.She's a scientist, not a pervert. Besides, I'm not entirely sure I can see anything besides souls when I'm using soul sense.
Post by: ~Neri on June 06, 2015, 10:52:11 pm
Mitosis doesn't kill the original thing. It makes a perfect clone.It would mean that every Hearth Keeper needs to commit suicide in order to reproduce. Keep it vague or my god will be forced to use soul sense to observe the reproduction.How Do the Hearth Keepers reproduce anyways? Was that ever specified?No it wasn't. Mitosis makes as much sense as anything though.
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 10:53:41 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 06, 2015, 11:03:57 pm
How much for establishing a system where the souls of dead Saplings go to the nearest Great Tree and combine with/into it(it's a peaceful process, a becoming one type of thing, though it's also like a drop in a bucket; it just so happens there's a lot of drops), or if there isn't a Great Tree nearby, they tend towards places with lots of life/biodiversity, especially large life, and sort of 'become one' with nature, increasing the fertility of the area and slowly fading away(again, peaceful) into the shadows? Great Trees becone more 'powerful' the larger their soul is(as you might expect from something with that spark of Divinity in it), and if their 'souls' are very much larger than their 'bodies'(if you know what I mean?) then they grow a bit faster(not a lot, mind you), though their soul doesn't 'grow' with them naturally if it's already that much larger(if they catch up it'll start 'growing' again).
Oh, and how much, if anything, for Great Tree to be able to do 'magic'/divine-ish actions on a far lesser scale? (they should be able to help defend themselves/Saplings, basically, in ways other than growing bio-weapons or something...actually that makes me wonder...)
How much for Great Trees being able to grow bio-weapons to defend themselves(I'm mostly thinking spores and pollen or falling leaves/petals and the like)?
Post by: Andres on June 06, 2015, 11:08:25 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 06, 2015, 11:38:02 pm
Can people worship you even if they're in the afterlife? Do I even need soul sense to see souls? I'm starting to think that it only increases the brightness of souls rather than letting me see them at all.I believe Stirk answered me when I asked about afterlives with "try it and find out"
Post by: Vgray on June 07, 2015, 12:54:07 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 12:56:59 am
Hm. Okay how about this, Naiad children look like normal Humans/Maag/whatever when not in water, but gain Naiad characteristics when in it, which includes all standard fishy things like scales and gills.So we can use the drowning test to test for witches? Sounds good to me!
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 07, 2015, 12:57:41 am
Hmm...
-Your offer is interesting.
-I can definitively see some benefit from this.
-I fear that the quality of my worship might become diluted between multiple gods.
-Heat and light sources are not a priority right now.
-My resources are being strained by multiple projects.
I am happy to see you wish to collaborate, but I will have to refuse this deal. If you come up with other propositions, please do tell me. I would be interested in some form of cooperation in the future.
I kinda like that way of talking for my character. I think I will make it one of his trait and use it as his normal speech in the future. It would fit with the scientific aspect of his personality. I'll probably use a more mechanical speech in the future too.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 01:00:17 am
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Izgamlo gives a mighty burst of power, destroying the few remaining Archons by tearing them limb from limb with a series of small portals. The Ants are now free from the mind control. The remaining Alphas declare themselves the rulers of the new civilization, splitting it up into several colonies ruled by a male and female Alpha. The ring-barring Ant names himself king of the Moon, due to having the Ring. The other colonial leaders seem to be eying the ring, hoping to take the title for themselves....(Izgamlo -4E)
The heck? I specified using power I'm pretty sure.
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 07, 2015, 01:04:04 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 01:06:52 am
Tch, I thought destroying the armies would be a bad idea but fatigue overtook me before I could discuss being more surgical with the God of Greed.Any reason I didn't listen to prayers and didn't teach magic?
Spend power to destroy all surviving Archons. Forbid any further fighting between ants. Listen to prayers. Teach the ants the new ritual magic created by Lorash
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 07, 2015, 02:38:08 am
Hundreds-if not thousands- of Leaders, from every race, meet their end! The more powerful the leader, the more likely they are to be targeted. The Councilmen of the Maag, the Tribal Leaders of the Humans, even the Alphas of the Ants all simply parish! Many mighty animals seem to fall as well, some of the largest megafauna dropping in the rain. Many of the races are put into turmoil, as they try to deal with the rain crises at the same time as this. Who could have done such a thing?I am going to challenge that:
Aurosseu spends up to 3P to hinder this action.Jbg cancelled the action, but I didn't. The protection was supposed to be there even if nobody had attacked the leaders.
I'm going to be mostly away for a week or so after today. I might post around a little on my phone, but I simply can't play a game as complicated as this one while on the road. Next Tick, Please put Aurosseu into safe stasis, or whatever you want to call this spinoff's vacation system.
Ninjaedit: Alternately, would someone want to play Aurosseu for me while I'm gone?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 03:30:46 am
I'd be willing two play around with two god's essence pools.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 07, 2015, 03:51:29 am
That happened in the original Ye Gods with Golems. Naturally, I was the one who had the idea to set them on fire. This event was chronicled in Dreamerghost's sig.
You weren't even participating in that battle.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 07, 2015, 07:07:10 am
Pricecheck: Create a small sun in a far away galaxy
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 07:18:01 am
$$$There is no galaxy.
Pricecheck: Create a small sun in a far away galaxy
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 07, 2015, 01:29:13 pm
I'd be willing two play around with two god's essence pools.Honestly, with this statement, I feel I can't entrust you with playing my character to my wishes. Don't take it personally.
I'll take whatever GM protection I can have, and politely ask y'all not to murder me while I'm away. I repeat I might be posting short messages around the forums, maybe including a few snarky comments in Litany, but don't consider me as actually playing the game before I fully return.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 07, 2015, 01:57:52 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 07, 2015, 02:30:13 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 02:34:54 pm
Hey stirk, can we see how much essence/power/crux we have? I really need to know how much I have for a few projects.
Yeah, sorry about that. Ill have tick 7's up in the next our or so. Then OOCs, then PMs.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 07, 2015, 02:45:22 pm
Hey stirk, can we see how much essence/power/crux we have? I really need to know how much I have for a few projects.
Yeah, sorry about that. Ill have tick 7's up in the next our or so. Then OOCs, then PMs.
Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 03:55:43 pm
Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?Aw come on, why does everyone assume it was me?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 07, 2015, 03:57:20 pm
Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?Aw come on, why does everyone assume it was me?
You have 0 power.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 07, 2015, 03:57:38 pm
Edit: ninja'd :(
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 03:58:20 pm
Maybe I used it for something else, and coincidentally all the leaders died in a completely random natural disaster?Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?Aw come on, why does everyone assume it was me?
You have 0 power.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 03:59:58 pm
And maybe Utther will stop trying to break things if we ask nicely.Maybe I used it for something else, and coincidentally all the leaders died in a completely random natural disaster?Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?Aw come on, why does everyone assume it was me?
You have 0 power.
Or maybe we have to give him back his wee namblies.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 04:01:10 pm
Let's kill this guy.Maybe I used it for something else, and coincidentally all the leaders died in a completely random natural disaster?Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?Aw come on, why does everyone assume it was me?
You have 0 power.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 04:03:27 pm
Let's kill this guy.
#rood_dood
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 04:03:46 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 04:04:26 pm
Could just enslave him.#even rooder dood
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 07, 2015, 04:05:06 pm
Let's kill this guy.
This sounds like something that should be kept IC
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 04:07:06 pm
He might want to actually kill me in real life.Let's kill this guy.
This sounds like something that should be kept IC
Would explain the letters I've been getting. Would also explain the font colors they're in.
Post by: Andres on June 07, 2015, 04:14:19 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 04:15:15 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 04:16:42 pm
says da guy trying to break all our stuff.Could just enslave him.#even rooder dood
You brought this on yourself. We weren't gonna let you break our stuff. You coulda been subtle about it, but noooo, you had to be big and flashy. :P
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 04:17:05 pm
Actually, regarding the conversion, it seems to work on a 50% penalty system.
Basically, the value of things are:
1P = 1P
1E = 2P
1C = 4P
But with a 50% penalty, 1C translates into 1E, rather than 2E, and 2P rather than 4P.
So if you want to get Crux, you'll have to either give 8P or 4E.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Interesting theory~
$$$ANSWERS
Soulputer: (? ? ?)
(? ? ?) are generally things that I don't feel that it is a good idea to price check. Things that you have no way of know, things that are hidden, things that require SCIENCE to figure out,
I think you missed mine again(though it was for carving a slab in the dwarven tunnels with diagrams, so it might just be free.)
No, I got them. The answer was "1P" for the carvings, but you would still have to pay normal price to get the inventions done.
A god could just run behind another and block or reverse every action. I don't see why it would be impossible to throw a shield over every fireball-targeted being, curse anything blessed, or transformed anything transformed so that the objects will be in their original forms.
They could do that. The problem is, in my opinion, that isn't what they are attempting to do. That doesn't seem to be the intent. The intent seems to be "I am putting this here to directly stop the action". The real problem with "Vetoes" is that they make secret actions completely unblockable, while pretty much assuring that any negative action done in the thread will be blocked immediately. So I could either let you block the action, which you couldn't have done if they did it in secret in the first place, remove secret actions (which I don't think anyone wants) to make it more even, or find some other solution. Does that make sense?
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Soul-travling afterlife: Maybe Probably ~ 2-4E
Magic: They may or may not be capable of using normal mortal magic. If you want something different then that, you would have to make a new system specifically for Great Trees.
Natural Weapons: Varied depending on strength. Generally 1-3E for mortal-quality.
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The heck? I specified using power I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, for some reason, I usually hit the E key while doing this instead of the P key. This is almost always fixed during actual calculation and just a typo on my part. I hope, at least.
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Do I have to teach pyromancy to my followers, and if so does that require any essence?
Yes, and no. You still have to clarify some things so I can create it though. Mostly what powers it, and what it can do.
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Any reason I didn't listen to prayers and didn't teach magic?
You did teach magic, and you did listen to prayers. I just missed that, I guess. I remember writing one for three ants and guess I never actually did that :-\.
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Jbg cancelled the action, but I didn't. The protection was supposed to be there even if nobody had attacked the leaders.
It is possible that you did. In any case, in my opinion, that was specifically target at a canceled action. Thus it had to be canceled itself. You can not hinder an action that is not taken, and if someone took a different action it would not effect it. If it was something like "Spend XP to hide the greatest leaders from any God" it would have taken effect anyway.
To put it another way, lets say you order a man to guard a gate. You specifically order this guard to keep an eye out for one man, a known assassin, and stop him and only him from entering. If this man sends someone else to perform his job, then the guard wouldn't stop him and you get assassinated. If you had ordered him to do something like "stop anyone who looks suspicious" or even "stop anyone", then he would have stopped the new assassin. Following the letter of the order means other danger gets by. I am horrible at making examples :P.
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I'm going to be mostly away for a week or so after today. I might post around a little on my phone, but I simply can't play a game as complicated as this one while on the road. Next Tick, Please put Aurosseu into safe stasis, or whatever you want to call this spinoff's vacation system.
Ninjaedit: Alternately, would someone want to play Aurosseu for me while I'm gone?
I completely understand,
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You weren't even participating in that battle.
But you asked me for suggestions, and I suggested setting the Golems on fire. The posts show it!
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Post-creation small sun: 60-80E
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I'll take whatever GM protection I can have, and politely ask y'all not to murder me while I'm away. I repeat I might be posting short messages around the forums, maybe including a few snarky comments in Litany, but don't consider me as actually playing the game before I fully return.
Honestly, since you seem to have stated it is fine anyway, if your Character gets put into a tight spot I will probably Auto him at a penalty in the most objective way I can (Probably something like "Spend a bunch of essence and Power to hide").
On the ant planet, did every alpha get wiped out or just the most powerful ones? Did the one bearing the Ring of Magic die?
The majority of Alphas seem to have been illuminated in the Revolution or Regicide. The Ring Bearer still lives, having saved himself and the Alphas directly under him using the rings magic. A dozen or so are left.
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Great. And I have a small question: Did you made my clothier quit his job just so he wouldn't be killed by Utther?
...Maybe. The motivations of the NPCs are strange and unpredictable! In reality, though, I try to not reveal why things happened unless they where both public and obviose. Otherwise on the ones I refuse to explain are obviously done by secret actions. He could have been saved by me, a God who was fond of him, or even himself or his Immortality.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 04:35:25 pm
Bully from all sides.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 04:40:08 pm
Post by: Andres on June 07, 2015, 04:41:27 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 04:43:34 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 04:44:54 pm
Utther's a great character. I really don't wanna see him die. :DNote my proposal~
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 07, 2015, 04:45:11 pm
Post by: Andres on June 07, 2015, 04:45:44 pm
Don't you mean :'( ... oh wait, sarcasm.No, not sarcasm. I actually do like his character and I actually don't want to see him die. I'm smiling because it's fun to watch either way and the time we've had with Utther was enjoyable.
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 04:49:48 pm
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Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 05:23:59 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 05:25:46 pm
I'm only gonna modify them to target you on top of their normal targets rather than a complete alteration. Cheaper that way.Then can I modify your wolves to attack the other races?
It's not a complete alteration.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 05:29:31 pm
And then I'm gonna hit you with it.
It's going to be in the shape of a cane. And it's going to grow continuously. In fact, I might make it so it grows bigger and more powerful every time you spout ridiculous nonsense.
Simplicity.
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 05:30:51 pm
Also they already do attack other races. It's food and they're nonsapient animals. The smart ones avoid the ones with blade and arrow. But I'm sure a number of people die annually due to animal attacks. Just like real life~
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 06:31:10 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 07, 2015, 07:17:07 pm
-Rest
-Assist Iliseth
-Rest
-Continuing creating things that have nothing to do with my spheres
Post by: Detoxicated on June 07, 2015, 07:24:27 pm
Pricecheck: create a conceptual space where emotions are manifested into solid form?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 07:56:24 pm
$$$
How much essence would it cost to bind the blasted destruction god with a curse of sorts that binds him to the mortal plane as a dwarf for a few thousand years, reincarnating him every time his dwarven body dies? Naturally, his powers will be bound, and he won't be able to regain Essence or Power during that time period. There should also be built-in arcane clauses in the curse which allow the gods who make it to torment him at will with various afflictions and whatnot. He should also be pestered and attacked by his own owls.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 07:59:14 pm
So... if you've read the conversation about that homicidal deity, you know we want bad things for him. So...$$$
$$$
How much essence would it cost to bind the blasted destruction god with a curse of sorts that binds him to the mortal plane as a dwarf for a few thousand years, reincarnating him every time his dwarven body dies? Naturally, his powers will be bound, and he won't be able to regain Essence or Power during that time period. There should also be built-in arcane clauses in the curse which allow the gods who make it to torment him at will with various afflictions and whatnot. He should also be pestered and attacked by his own owls.
and a price check on how much it would take to BREAK that curse. I'd like that price check to be pm'd.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 08:00:25 pm
Pricecheck on a clause in the curse which prevents it from being broken by the accursed.
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 08:02:20 pm
Pricecheck
Binding a deity to the mortal plane in the form of a crotchety old man. Cutting their access from their powers for several thousand years as well as preventing them from accessing magic of any sort. The body would be about as frail as a mortal's body at that age. Aka weak as shit. It heals at the same rate as the average mortal would. However it will regenerate from ashes or severed limbs or pulping over the course of years. At the same rate it would logically take for a mortal to heal from that if they could. If brain function is lost, mind is unconscious until the brain is repaired. Mind is never destroyed while in the body. Insanity is not a refuge, sanity is enforced. As is pain from injuries.
Pricecheck on a clause that prevents the curse from being broken.
Post by: micelus on June 07, 2015, 08:05:06 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 08:06:20 pm
Pricecheck on a clause that prevents the curse from being broken.You can't make a curse that can't be broken. What if the curse was supposed to be permanent? If that curse was unbreakable then by then end of the game there will be no gods, only a bunch of gods bound to mortal forms forever being ironically tormented by their own creations, and their only available actions each turn would be "swat away these horrible beasts, only for the actions to be futile and only serving to agitate them"
and the dialogue would be nothing but unending screaming, but it'd be in multicolor at least.
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 08:07:00 pm
$$$ANSWERS
Incorporeal Emotion Place: 3-4E
Corporeal emotion place: 6-7E, assuming on planet.
Cast Down Curse: 3-5E assuming the God willingly allows himself to be bound. Discount for multiple hands working likely.
Unwilling curse: (? ? ?)
Breaking: You should send secret pricechecks via PM. They will take forever to get to, but will be secret :P
((Ahhhh, there was nobody until now.))
Completely breakable curse: Impossible. Nothing is completely unbreakable. Essence can be invested into making it more difficult to break.
Kevak Cast Down: 3-6E
So I'm assuming the PM'd stuff (everyone's stuff) hasn't happened yet?
Pmed stuff are usually put into the tick, if I don't miss 'em.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 08:07:48 pm
More like, price check on a clause in the curse that prevents the curse from being easily broken by the cursed one. That's more reasonable.
$$$
Pricecheck
Binding a deity to the mortal plane in the form of a crotchety old man. Cutting their access from their powers for several thousand years as well as preventing them from accessing magic of any sort. The body would be about as frail as a mortal's body at that age. Aka weak as shit. It heals at the same rate as the average mortal would. However it will regenerate from ashes or severed limbs or pulping over the course of years. At the same rate it would logically take for a mortal to heal from that if they could. If brain function is lost, mind is unconscious until the brain is repaired. Mind is never destroyed while in the body. Insanity is not a refuge, sanity is enforced. As is pain from injuries.
Pricecheck on a clause that prevents the curse from being broken.
Kevak's curse is fine, so long as his own owls attack him.
$$$
How much if the cursed is unwilling?
Also, if the homicidal one is unwilling, we could threaten to kill him- die or get cursed, effectively.
Post by: micelus on June 07, 2015, 08:08:22 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 08:08:33 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 08:09:50 pm
Sooo 3-6E for the one I suggested towards an unwilling deity?I'll be back damn you!
I'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 08:10:52 pm
How much for a clause in the curse that clouds the cursed's divine memories?
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 08:12:40 pm
$$$That would kind of ruin the point wouldn't it? I mean, that's essentially creating a whole new guy who's entire purpose is to be tortured for eternity with no idea why.
How much for a clause in the curse that clouds the cursed's divine memories?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 08:14:17 pm
That's why.
If you want to complain, we'll damn well give you something to complain about you little shit.
And no I don't mean you Jbg, I mean your character.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 08:15:43 pm
$$$That would kind of ruin the point wouldn't it? I mean, that's essentially creating a whole new guy who's entire purpose is to be tortured for eternity with no idea why.
How much for a clause in the curse that clouds the cursed's divine memories?
I said clouds the memory, not erases it. It's more torturous that way.
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 08:20:13 pm
Unwilling curse: (? ? ?)
Making it harder to break: 1E min. Since his energies are sealed, he *probably* won't be able to use essence to break it himself anyway.
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So did you get mine awhile back? I seem to have maximum E so something didn't happen.
I probably missed it. Resend it to me if you want.
Sooo 3-6E for the one I suggested towards an unwilling deity?
No, willing.
Memory removing: Eeeh, it would be kind of hard to enforce meta-stuff if we want Jbg97 to continue playing the character as a mortal. He would have to agree with it OOC, and more or less decide a reasonable price himself.
Assuming you want to make him into an NPC: (? ? ?)
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 08:32:03 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 08:57:18 pm
Because fuck you, Utther.Personally I think that if you remove someone's memories, it creates a new person, so you wouldn't be punishing Utther, just some random old guy.
That's why.
If you want to complain, we'll damn well give you something to complain about you little shit.
And no I don't mean you Jbg, I mean your character.
I also believe that teleporters kill you and make a copy of you somewhere else.
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 08:59:50 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 09:00:44 pm
I agree with you on both of those counts.Muh fellow Theseus' ship paradox brotha
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 07, 2015, 09:01:17 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 09:12:46 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 09:13:57 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 09:14:26 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 09:34:28 pm
I would submit to being made a mortal, but i will not submit to having memories erased/altered/clouded. I'd keep making references to things i forgot im supposed to forget.
Does Utther count as "willing"?
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 09:38:22 pm
He counts as willing to a curse that does not mess with his memories.I would submit to being made a mortal, but i will not submit to having memories erased/altered/clouded. I'd keep making references to things i forgot im supposed to forget.
Does Utther count as "willing"?
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 09:41:51 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 09:55:39 pm
Good behavior results in possible rewards. Such as not having owls attack him~So, this tick, or whill you show some modicum of mercy to Utther and give him one more tick of sweet sweet freedom?
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 09:56:15 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 07, 2015, 09:56:45 pm
Good behavior results in possible rewards. Such as not having owls attack him~
Or getting shown what they did back in the day to naughty children...
So, Jbg, is he actually insane or is he just lying to try and justify being crochety?
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 10:00:15 pm
...Good behavior results in possible rewards. Such as not having owls attack him~
Or getting shown what they did back in the day to naughty children...
So, Jbg, is he actually insane or is he just lying to try and justify being crochety?
I honestly have no idea.
I guess insane would be the simplest answer, but if it's all just a ruse, then he'll never break character, so either is plausible i think.
Post by: ~Neri on June 07, 2015, 10:02:02 pm
Post by: Andres on June 07, 2015, 10:47:54 pm
Post by: Andres on June 07, 2015, 10:49:51 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 10:51:38 pm
I am on a cruise ship and on a phone.I know how that feels.
Godspeed you poor soul, and remember to eat as much soft-serve as you can from those free ice cream scattered around the ship.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 11:45:54 pm
Essence cost for modifying the moon so it can produce the nectar in several different flavours?
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 07, 2015, 11:46:28 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 11:52:13 pm
Also on Utther's lawn being destroyed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2RmzwZNXfk
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 11:52:57 pm
Who created the Maag again?Lithus (Fargha)
Post by: Stirk on June 07, 2015, 11:53:41 pm
Stirk, I believe you missed when I created pyromancy (the ability to create and manipulate(including putting it out) fire) an taught it to my followers. I understand, but just wanted to make sure this was cleared up.
Oh. I put an explanation in the Original draft, the one that I accidentally deleted somehow and forgot to add it back in the second. Basically I need you to state the power source and what an average user can do with it. It will still be made this tick, and I am sorry for the inconvenience.
I submitted a very important secret action that needs to be done before the cursing
It has been read and processed. You will get a rundown of what happened when the PMs are sent.
I am on a cruise ship and on a phone. Probably wont have internet for next ten days.
Have fun. I will try to make sure you arn't killed. All the active people are leaving!
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 11:54:52 pm
The same person who just destroyed Utther's lawn?Who created the Maag again?Lithus (Farga)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 07, 2015, 11:57:16 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 07, 2015, 11:59:39 pm
Seems to be yes.Excellent.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexcellent.
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 08, 2015, 12:01:29 am
The power is the user's mind and willpower, meaning that they will grow increasingly mentally fatigued as they continue it's use and those with higher intelligence and willpower will be more efficient. Alternatively, they can use the stored energy of their bodies, causing them to become physically fatigued. If prepared for, they can burn items in holy ceremonies for me, creating energy stored for them in an energy pool attached to their souls which they can tap into at any time. More flammable objects = more energy stored, but the pool only fills with 75% of the energy released by the burning.With it, they can create, manipulate, and put out fire.Stirk, I believe you missed when I created pyromancy (the ability to create and manipulate(including putting it out) fire) an taught it to my followers. I understand, but just wanted to make sure this was cleared up.
Oh. I put an explanation in the Original draft, the one that I accidentally deleted somehow and forgot to add it back in the second. Basically I need you to state the power source and what an average user can do with it. It will still be made this tick, and I am sorry for the inconvenience.I submitted a very important secret action that needs to be done before the cursing
It has been read and processed. You will get a rundown of what happened when the PMs are sent.I am on a cruise ship and on a phone. Probably wont have internet for next ten days.
Have fun. I will try to make sure you arn't killed. All the active people are leaving!
Edit: thanks for the quick response
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 08, 2015, 12:10:46 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 12:11:51 am
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 08, 2015, 12:13:45 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 08, 2015, 12:14:37 am
On the road now on my phone, let's see what's happened in Litany... Bloody 'ell, is this what happens when the Patron of Forgiveness goes on a vacation? I would have suggested the punishment of making him spend the resources it would take to return the leaders to life.I'm sorry to say mercy was in short supply during the proceedings.
I'm slightly less sorry to say mercy will be in even shorter supply soon enough.
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 12:16:49 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 12:23:12 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 08, 2015, 12:25:50 am
And he'll be a god again in like twenty or so ticks. He's only banished for a few thousand years.Twenty?
It'll be like a week at most.
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 12:27:03 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 12:27:20 am
And he'll be a god again in like twenty or so ticks. He's only banished for a few thousand years.Twenty?
It'll be like a week at most.
I don't really know how long a tick is chronologically.Singled out non-immortal character seem to stay alive through multiple ticks, despite the base lifespan being something like a century iirc. Each tick seems to be a few decades at most.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 08, 2015, 12:29:53 am
I'm mostly speaking from a matter of A. how fast the Trees are growing and B. Stirk's not gonna force Jbg to stay out of the game for three weeks and neither are we. A week is a long time in something like this. 7 ticks? We're on tick 8 now! He's been alive since like tick 3.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 12:31:12 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 12:35:23 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 08, 2015, 12:36:36 am
Wishy Washy Timey WimeyMeh, I can still play as a mortal that whole time.
I'm mostly speaking from a matter of A. how fast the Trees are growing and B. Stirk's not gonna force Jbg to stay out of the game for three weeks and neither are we. A week is a long time in something like this. 7 ticks? We're on tick 8 now! He's been alive since like tick 3.
Post by: micelus on June 08, 2015, 12:36:55 am
Yeah, whether out of lack of enthusiasm or active malice Illyria turned out to be a pretty mediocre prophet. Time to let her go I suppose. Fly free you useless woman! Fly free!
So does that remove the protection you gave her? If so, oh yes.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 12:39:48 am
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 08, 2015, 12:56:45 am
Welp, sorry old guy. Actually meant to support you, but shrug. Changes little for me.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:00:59 am
((Nilva would only donate if it went towards a project that interests her or is sufficiently silly.))How do portals that wander the the countryside swallowing up farmers and teleporting them to random locations sound?
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:03:10 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:07:56 am
Only if they're also wolves.Counteroffer: They're not wolves, but any people swallowed by the portals have their gender switched
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 08, 2015, 01:09:51 am
If a sapling is swallowed do they become a great tree?Only if they're also wolves.Counteroffer: They're not wolves, but any people swallowed by the portals have their gender switched
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:10:52 am
No, forced isn't okay.Only if they're also wolves.Counteroffer: They're not wolves, but any people swallowed by the portals have their gender switched
Giant wolves that are also portals whenever they want to be. That also teleport randomly.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:11:39 am
I hadn't considered that. It would be amusing though.If a sapling is swallowed do they become a great tree?Only if they're also wolves.Counteroffer: They're not wolves, but any people swallowed by the portals have their gender switched
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 08, 2015, 01:13:34 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:14:46 am
I'd rather not have that in my desert, please.I was planning to design the portals to primarily target farmlands. To the best of my knowledge, you Maag don't really farm as such so they should mostly be left alone.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 08, 2015, 01:31:39 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:33:08 am
I'm going to just love seeing how Andres reacts to this idea. I'm sure he'll think it'll be a blast.He'll love it I'm sure.
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:35:47 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:40:40 am
Maybe amend it so that it only teleports the farmers like a mile or two away?But grand quests to return to your homeland from two world-fragments away! It'll build character!
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:41:36 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:42:40 am
Yeah okay, point, I'll add in a range limitation when I get around to making the portals.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 08, 2015, 01:47:30 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:49:19 am
Clotheswaping works.
The portals still should be wolves. Like, they're both portals and wolves at the same time.
Like Schrödinger's cat. But with portals and wolves instead of life and death.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 01:52:48 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 01:54:02 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 08, 2015, 02:03:23 am
Portalwolves just aren't working for me Kevak.It'd be fun, if the clotheswapping was removed. Then people all across the world fragments would be tossing themselves into the gaping mouths of wolves to teleport themselves elsewhere.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 02:05:25 am
Use essence to create a permanent forcefield, designed to focus inward, keeping any extradimensional energy within its confines. To be used when drilling a hole into the fog-glass blocking off the true magic.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 08, 2015, 02:06:19 am
Portalwolves just aren't working for me Kevak.It'd be fun, if the clotheswapping was removed. Then people all across the world fragments would be tossing themselves into the gaping mouths of wolves to teleport themselves elsewhere.
"Meanwhile, UristMcSteelRat remains wanted for theft in 83 kingdoms."
Post by: Jbg97 on June 08, 2015, 02:29:41 am
"However, since the recent adoption of throwing garbage and sewage into the wolf portals, he has made no more appearances."Portalwolves just aren't working for me Kevak.It'd be fun, if the clotheswapping was removed. Then people all across the world fragments would be tossing themselves into the gaping mouths of wolves to teleport themselves elsewhere.
"Meanwhile, UristMcSteelRat remains wanted for theft in 83 kingdoms."
Post by: Dutrius on June 08, 2015, 07:28:45 am
I like to think that Moi'aaty was spending the time sharpening his scythe while glaring at Utther.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 08, 2015, 07:32:32 am
Sorry for my absence yesterday. I was busy.Poor Utther. I'm tempted to go visit him at the old folks home. Maybe try to get a bigger slice of the inheritance.
I like to think that Moi'aaty was spending the time sharpening his scythe while glaring at Utther.
Quote from: Detoxicated
Teach the Dwarf to break free from his possessions, so he can have all the space he wants. Furtherly teach him how to build space-saving furniture like chests, shelves and secretaries.I like how you classify secretaries as furniture. And are planning to teach the dwarf how to build some. Secretary Golems?
Post by: Andres on June 08, 2015, 07:01:29 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 08, 2015, 07:04:59 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 07:09:15 pm
((Also Stirk, I need confirmation on pmed actions and pricechecks from last tick.))
Post by: Happy Demon on June 08, 2015, 07:14:03 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 08, 2015, 07:16:02 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 08, 2015, 07:18:54 pm
Cruise ship has Internet cafe. $29 for 45 mins. 5 mins per day. God have mercy on my soul.Can't you just log on your phone and buy an hour or 2, and use it freely?
Post by: Stirk on June 08, 2015, 09:30:30 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 08, 2015, 09:31:44 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 09:40:24 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 08, 2015, 10:22:11 pm
That is simultaneously interesting, disturbing, and explanatory, in equal measure.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 08, 2015, 11:08:07 pm
Climate change, anyone?
Post by: ~Neri on June 08, 2015, 11:27:25 pm
Huh, Kevak lives in Oregon?Why~?
That is simultaneously interesting, disturbing, and explanatory, in equal measure.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 09, 2015, 01:37:11 am
Washington is the best state.
I dont even live in Washington.
Post by: ~Neri on June 09, 2015, 01:48:54 am
Oregon is best state.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 09, 2015, 02:00:25 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 09, 2015, 02:01:48 am
It's just abnormally hot this year.
Also. There's water fucking everywhere. We have the cleanest water in the states.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 09, 2015, 02:10:48 am
Oregon is the worst state.^^^^
Washington is the best state.
I dont even live in Washington.
Except it rains too goddamn much. Except in Eastern Washington; but nobody wants to go to Eastern Washington.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 09, 2015, 02:12:35 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 09, 2015, 02:14:54 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 09, 2015, 02:20:34 am
Why is District Columbia not in Columbia?It is though
Post by: Happy Demon on June 09, 2015, 02:29:13 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 09, 2015, 03:23:37 am
Isn't it in South America?Colombia is different from Columbia. Columbia was the name for the USA, like Britannia for Britain. Colombia just stole it and changed the spelling.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 09, 2015, 03:28:34 am
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Post by: Dutrius on June 09, 2015, 05:43:24 am
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on June 09, 2015, 11:37:00 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 10, 2015, 12:41:09 am
Quote from: Stirk
Human Minstrel: I heard there was a sacred cord that you could play to please the lord, but you don't really care for music, do you?Lol at the song reference.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 04:50:47 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 10, 2015, 05:01:36 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 05:20:01 am
Overflow means that you ran out of essence/power and had to draw on crux.Ah. That explains things.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 06:17:03 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 10, 2015, 06:22:20 am
I have to ask. How are those curses? Curses have downsides.Looking like freaky bugmonsters/exeskeletonless ants? But yeah, those don't really seem to be curses.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 06:26:42 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 07:36:52 am
Because I don't do blessings.I have to ask. How are those curses? Curses have downsides.Looking like freaky bugmonsters/exeskeletonless ants? But yeah, those don't really seem to be curses.
Also, I can control them through their chains whenever I want, because I'm the god of binding.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 10, 2015, 07:45:05 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 07:52:45 am
A blessing is a blessing whether you call it that or not.The wolves bound to the elements are cursed, as with the control of the elements, comes the feeling of the elements.
These new curse bearers hold powers of my domain, but I can control these directly, and use them as puppets.
While they may have asked, their descendants wont, they'll be born bearing this curse.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 10, 2015, 09:14:00 am
Price check on creating 10k muselings.
Muselings are small, sapient humanoids (about 2/3rd of a human) that are native to Elysium. They are all identical, exept for the pair of wings they possess. Some possess feathery, birdlike wings, whilst others possess wings similar to butterflies and dragonflies, and some wings are even ethereal. They can't fly for more than an hour at a time. They spend their time eating the plentiful food and nectar on Elysium and playing music. Most of them trek around, sleeping, eating and playing music wherever they see fit, but if there is a city present, they will settle there. A lot of them have Alicia-born familiars.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 12:06:58 pm
You did not include the puppet clause. Therefore it isn't a thing. If it were a thing, I could control literally every single wolf based creature on the planet. Which qualifies as OP as hell and I sincerely doubt that would be allowed. Just cause it's in my domain does not mean I can puppet it. Same goes for you. The reason the Elemental Wolves are cursed is because they feel the pain of the world in exchange for their abilities. The Maagwolves, I don't qualify as cursed either. It's a blessing by any name. A blessing is a blessing no matter what you wish to call it. Neither the bone thing or the Maagwolf thing are curses.A blessing is a blessing whether you call it that or not.The wolves bound to the elements are cursed, as with the control of the elements, comes the feeling of the elements.
These new curse bearers hold powers of my domain, but I can control these directly, and use them as puppets.
While they may have asked, their descendants wont, they'll be born bearing this curse.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 12:51:53 pm
The Maag-wolves were originally supposed to go berserk, as they have to struggle with their predatory instincts, whether they want to or not.You did not include the puppet clause. Therefore it isn't a thing. If it were a thing, I could control literally every single wolf based creature on the planet. Which qualifies as OP as hell and I sincerely doubt that would be allowed. Just cause it's in my domain does not mean I can puppet it. Same goes for you. The reason the Elemental Wolves are cursed is because they feel the pain of the world in exchange for their abilities. The Maagwolves, I don't qualify as cursed either. It's a blessing by any name. A blessing is a blessing no matter what you wish to call it. Neither the bone thing or the Maagwolf thing are curses.A blessing is a blessing whether you call it that or not.The wolves bound to the elements are cursed, as with the control of the elements, comes the feeling of the elements.
These new curse bearers hold powers of my domain, but I can control these directly, and use them as puppets.
While they may have asked, their descendants wont, they'll be born bearing this curse.
So the Maag-wolves aren't experiencing a detrimental effect because the GM didn't inflict it on them.
In fact, the Maag-wolves aren't even sapient in full wolf form, as the sapient Maag mind is disconnected.
One goes in, the other goes out.
And I said I'm the god of binding, and placing my chains on them is like a puppeteer placing wires on a puppet.
You're claiming your wolf sphere implies binding, I see no reference of binding or control in a sphere that only says wolves.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 01:01:19 pm
The Maagwolves have proven sapient in wolfform. It was never mentioned otherwise, if you want a negative, you're gonna have to manually write it out. The GM only uses what you put down.
Just because you are a god of binding does not automatically give you the trait *Puppetier*
Nothing in the so far shown mechanics implies that, nor was the puppetiering clause included in blessings. And yes, they are most definitely blessings.
If you wanted to puppet them, should have added that. You didn't so you can't. Prolly could spend power to control them though, just like you could spend power to control any random mortal. Just like any other God could.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 01:05:42 pm
It was SUPPOSED to have a downside.
Not only that, but technically I shouldn't even be capable of making the Maag-Wolves then, absolutely impossible.
I am the god of binding, not balance, so I would never be able to make a blessing, I have no such sphere.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 01:11:38 pm
An example of the pricing:
If Nilva made 10k bodiless souls, it would cost 10k Essence.
If the God of Souls, I forget her name did that, it would cost 8k Essence.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 01:16:00 pm
Gods can do things out of their sphere. It's been stated multiple times. The only things sphere has influenced so far is pricing of stuff relative to if another deity made it and influence income. Odds are is there are a couple unknown mechanics. However this is what has been observed.While Nilva could do stuff outside her sphere, Skolld cannot.
An example of the pricing:
If Nilva made 10k bodiless souls, it would cost 10k Essence.
If the God of Souls, I forget her name did that, it would cost 8k Essence.
Technically Skolld can, but he would never do it, so he can't.
I guess I'll have to withdraw my action then.
Edit: I have canceled my action.
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 03:48:34 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 10, 2015, 03:51:07 pm
You could easily just exit in a Puppetier trait to the action. Since this is the thing you're getting upset over.I was tired when I typed it, so I felt like I needed to do something.
Skolld isn't the kind of god that responds to prayers. In fact, he's more likely to punish you, if anything.
I may need to have him f*** more people over soon, once they start messing with him.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 10, 2015, 03:54:45 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 04:04:29 pm
Post by: Dutrius on June 10, 2015, 04:36:34 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 10, 2015, 04:57:38 pm
On an unrelated note, annoyingly I haven't gotten the pmed stuff from like two ticks ago processed yet. I can't do anything this tick without that stuff getting processed, nor can I do actions for next tick due to the same reason.I've been waiting for four. Actually, five now, I think. So cool yer jets, or do stuff without price checking.
Post by: Andres on June 10, 2015, 10:14:43 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 10, 2015, 10:17:24 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 10, 2015, 10:37:07 pm
I'm not upset that the secret action failed, per se, but I am a bit miffed that I wasn't told it would happen after the cursing. I was under the impression that the cursing would've been retconned and the gods refunded.
Your action specifically said:
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After waiting for everyone else's actions against Utther to complete
So that is what happened.
Aaaand I just forgot to update today. No real excuse :p. I just saw that my favorite LN is being translated again and decided to reread the series, started playing video games, and generally lost track of time. So none today~.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 10, 2015, 10:52:28 pm
Also, Andres, what exactly goes into an 'angel'? There's no template here.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 11, 2015, 03:37:07 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 11, 2015, 03:56:29 pm
I'd like to get some of those prayers eventualy.Too late, all your followers now believe you're giving them the silent treatment.
5% commit suicide out of desperation, 10% leave for other faiths, and the rest worship you even harder, hoping you'll come back eventually.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 11, 2015, 04:09:08 pm
I'd like to get some of those prayers eventualy.Too late, all your followers now believe you're giving them the silent treatment.
5% commit suicide out of desperation, 10% leave for other faiths, and the rest worship you even harder, hoping you'll come back eventually.
Oh come on you beardlings. I have just given you extra fifty years to enjoy life. And I'm building an afterlife for you right now. I was hardly gone.
Post by: Andres on June 11, 2015, 05:34:22 pm
Your action specifically said:Ah. Thought that was clarified in a later PM. Just meant all the blowy upy stuff up until that point. Sorry for the confusion. EDIT: There was also that thing where I said in the OOC that it had to be done before the cursing.QuoteAfter waiting for everyone else's actions against Utther to complete
So that is what happened.
Also, Andres, what exactly goes into an 'angel'? There's no template here.Using Ye Gods template. Stirk said it is ok AFAIK. In any case Im cancelling that action.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 11, 2015, 09:58:14 pm
ded 4ever
Post by: ~Neri on June 11, 2015, 09:59:51 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 11, 2015, 10:48:51 pm
Mmm. This action doesn't seem to have ever been carried out Stirk?"That is it, Aurosseu! You have failed for the last time! 3 Ticks I've waited for you to solve the issue of the nightmares and 3 Ticks you have failed to do so! Now mortals are praying to the god who's caused the nightmares in the first place for mercy! You are a failure as a god!""3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions. The darkest hour is right before sunrise, don't you know?"
"With that, perhaps it's time to reveal something. I have been working on a system to use certain objects, 'totems', to connect the idealistic realm of spirits and dreams to the more material waking world. Watch as my Influence skyrockets."
Aurosseu creates Totem Magic, using the Dreamcatcher as a template and the co-operation of 3 extra Gods and the borrowed spheres of Magic, Portals, and Souls for their discounts, as well as the 2E contribution a certain God gave to help with the cost. Should he not have enough Essence even with all these discounts, he draws from Power and/or Crux where appropriate.
"Lauxal, now would be a good time to stop angering other gods with the nightmares you've spread. Just a little tip. Maybe you could keep some of your dignity by not making me crush you like the bug you are."
Post by: Detoxicated on June 12, 2015, 09:42:01 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 11:35:15 am
I had a dream last night where one of y'all berated me for making the Great Beasts. I'm not sure exactly why. Or who. I know it was IC.
It was weird.
Anwyway, Demonic Spoon, question, you're wanting to make towers. Would you be willing to work with me on self-growing(/building)/replicating towers? Basically a race of giant clockwork tower-ish beings?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 12, 2015, 11:38:51 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 11:48:20 am
Seriously though helping them invent cranes would be extremely helpful for both of us. Or elevators. Possibly magical ones. Long ways to go up and down with those Trees.
Can I make non-'living' things Grow, Stirk?
Post by: Dutrius on June 12, 2015, 12:38:19 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 12, 2015, 12:53:14 pm
Huh.
I had a dream last night where one of y'all berated me for making the Great Beasts. I'm not sure exactly why. Or who. I know it was IC.
It was weird.
Anwyway, Demonic Spoon, question, you're wanting to make towers. Would you be willing to work with me on self-growing(/building)/replicating towers? Basically a race of giant clockwork tower-ish beings?
I won't have any problem with them as long as they don't start devastating cities and murder the population. I wonder if they can be tamed...
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 01:18:38 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 12, 2015, 01:55:19 pm
They'd be sapient. :P Just on a very long timescale, so they wouldn't appear sapient to most mortals. And so long as no one tries to stick their head in the gears, no one would get hurt.If it takes that long, then getting killed by them in that way is technically suicide.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 12, 2015, 01:58:01 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 12, 2015, 02:03:15 pm
Their sapience is on a long time-scale, but I don't think the gear turning is.So it's like putting your hand on a spinning buzz saw?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 12, 2015, 02:06:22 pm
Not a perfect comparison. It's like putting your hand in a spinning gear assembly. It's going to get pulped. Fatalities rates caused by machinery and exposed gears and the like in factories were horrendous until safety standards were introduced.Their sapience is on a long time-scale, but I don't think the gear turning is.So it's like putting your hand on a spinning buzz saw?
Post by: gman8181 on June 12, 2015, 02:09:06 pm
Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 12, 2015, 02:10:42 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 12, 2015, 02:12:01 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 12, 2015, 03:33:52 pm
Looks like my time freed up a bit more. Assuming you've still got the room or some room opens up (someone dies), here's my sheet.Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Added you to the list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Interesting concept. We might become allies, depending on how you play your evolution aspect. That would make three of us with similar aspects, we have growth, progress and now evolution.
Post by: Vgray on June 12, 2015, 04:34:32 pm
I'm very interested to see how you three get along. This has everything to do with the fact that my somewhat long term goal is to form the first pantheon. Or perhaps facilitate the forming.Looks like my time freed up a bit more. Assuming you've still got the room or some room opens up (someone dies), here's my sheet.Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Added you to the list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Interesting concept. We might become allies, depending on how you play your evolution aspect. That would make three of us with similar aspects, we have growth, progress and now evolution.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 12, 2015, 05:51:06 pm
Looks like my time freed up a bit more. Assuming you've still got the room or some room opens up (someone dies), here's my sheet.Utther would probably like you.Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Let the games begin.
Post by: Andres on June 12, 2015, 05:58:39 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 12, 2015, 06:57:22 pm
Was the 3 Power required to destroy the penguin's soul or did you just assume I'd use it all?It was a very strong penguin.
It was their emperor.
Now the penguin lands are in deep civil war, because their emperor was the only thing keeping their people in peace.
Thousands of penguins die each day, and it's all your fault.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 07:14:45 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 12, 2015, 08:57:41 pm
Looks like my time freed up a bit more. Assuming you've still got the room or some room opens up (someone dies), here's my sheet.Spoiler: Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Accepted, of course. Go ahead and start playing.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 12, 2015, 09:22:44 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 12, 2015, 09:31:25 pm
As a note, people are very bad at making decisions without emotions. Inability to empathize with the people is not a very good trait in a ruler. Just pointing that out.I think we define emotional decision-making differently, as in my opinion people are doing too much of it. That might also only come from my like of realpolitik, though. Could you elaborate and give examples?
Please don't make this a full debate; I'm still on my phone.
Post by: Andres on June 12, 2015, 10:05:29 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 10:32:06 pm
As a note, people are very bad at making decisions without emotions. Inability to empathize with the people is not a very good trait in a ruler. Just pointing that out.I think we define emotional decision-making differently, as in my opinion people are doing too much of it. That might also only come from my like of realpolitik, though. Could you elaborate and give examples?
Please don't make this a full debate; I'm still on my phone.
We use hunches, emotions, memories, all these little things tie into our decisions. There is such a thing as using emotions to make your decision without being irrational or unreasonable. Mostly, though I was talking about things like this (http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/10/3/295.full). Original article was this (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101334645), basically. In summary(at least of the original time I heard it), a guy with a brain tumor had it removed. When it was removed, it separated the emotional part of the brain from the decision making part of the brain. And he couldn't choose. He'd stand in the cereal aisle for hours. He couldn't make the most basic of decisions. He had trouble with big ones, too, if I remember right, though there weren't many of them. All your memories, they're all tied into memory. Influencing which way you go, what to do. They're finding that hunches can figure out things before actual reason and logic. The subconscious. It's a thing. Gut feelings, more often than not, steer people in the right direction. Without those feelings, people have a difficult time even once they've learned it consciously. Life isn't logical. Life isn't pure reason. People are unpredictable, but there's a reason our AIs can be predicted and outmaneuvered. Pure logic is a flow-chart based on statistics. It can be played false.
Emotion-less leaders make terrible leaders. Overly emotional leaders are also terrible leaders. We aren't just one or the other. Gotta use both. Two legs, two parts. If you try to balance on one, you'll manage for a while. But eventually, you'll fall. One way. Or the other.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 12, 2015, 10:56:02 pm
I like to use the word 'realpolitik' to describe my play style, as you may have noticed. I'm not thinking logically, but realistically. Emotions, especially those of others play an important part in my decision-making, even irrational ones.
This post took way too long to type. I'm not going to bother with markup.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 12, 2015, 11:03:01 pm
Granted, this punishment isn't going to work either, since it'll just make him grumpier and let him continue to break things, but meh. It's more fun than simply imprisoning him, I would say.
As for solar system, I dunno. Some people wanted a sphere like always, something nice and simple, some people wanted something more complex and using more of the fact that this is a game with magic and divinity. Real world physics need not apply. Both sides had good reasons. And for a similar reason, I tried to be an arbitrator of sorts.
I tend to play it like a strategy game, like I said. Resource management. Unit design. Economic growth.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 12, 2015, 11:07:33 pm
It's more funI think we have reached an agreement.
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 12:50:01 am
We've already established that he's insane after all...
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 12:51:53 am
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 12:54:59 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 12:56:08 am
Hasssss he done anything importantish yet~?
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 01:00:35 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 01:02:20 am
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 01:07:04 am
I have a long to-do list of which civilzations to help. The Saplings are next, they get their own race of guardian tree spirits, then the Dwarves and Ants, then I circle back around to the Humans and Maag.
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 01:07:50 am
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 01:10:50 am
My plans as the insane god of Blood are less so.
These plans may or may not have some overlap. Even I don't know.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 13, 2015, 01:27:34 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 13, 2015, 01:31:58 am
Post by: Vgray on June 13, 2015, 01:52:41 am
Post by: micelus on June 13, 2015, 02:19:56 am
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Create ten crowns of gold and gems, crowns that would grant their wearer perfect memory and greatly increased intellect at the cost of all of their emotions. These crowns would also grant protection from influencing mind by magic or hypnosis and some defense against divine smiting. Once the crown is put on, the person would feel desire to keep it on and would do so baring extreme circumstances or sleep. Grant these crowns to leaders of dwarvenkind.
Clarification needed. All dwarves?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 13, 2015, 02:23:24 am
On another note, om nom nom nom delicious owld people
Post by: micelus on June 13, 2015, 02:28:42 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 13, 2015, 02:33:48 am
There are some political scandals one does not recover from. Not in time to hold off the next 'politician', anyway.
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 02:48:04 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 13, 2015, 02:59:49 am
"Speak softly and carry a big stick." -African proverb, later popularized by Theodore Roosevelt.
Everyone of us has a big stick of one kind or another. Thus we must focus on subtler means to achieve our goals. Swinging one's stick around gets one's head bashed in by another. Actions that seem like they're at nobody else's expense are the key to success in this game. Still, you must be unafraid to (threaten to) use your power when someone (tries to) step on your toes.
Post by: gman8181 on June 13, 2015, 03:33:33 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 06:17:39 am
QuoteCreate ten crowns of gold and gems, crowns that would grant their wearer perfect memory and greatly increased intellect at the cost of all of their emotions. These crowns would also grant protection from influencing mind by magic or hypnosis and some defense against divine smiting. Once the crown is put on, the person would feel desire to keep it on and would do so baring extreme circumstances or sleep. Grant these crowns to leaders of dwarvenkind.
Clarification needed. All dwarves?
Ten crowns for ten dwarven leaders. I figure the crowns would make them work as a hyper eficienr administrative AI. Emotional responses of populace would be part of statistics yet the kings would be surounded by loyal yet restraining advisors to stop crown bearers from minmaxing at the cost of people. Not that the kings woild be harsh, since, you know rebelions are not something a good kingdom has.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 06:24:29 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 07:13:57 am
Post by: micelus on June 13, 2015, 07:29:54 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 08:45:27 am
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 13, 2015, 08:52:41 am
I feel like these crowns are only going to result in Dwarven Hitlers.Eh, I'm sure there will be an element of random that may or may not cause interesting stuff to happen.
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
That or we could just inspire the dwarves to overthrow their emotionally detached overlords.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 13, 2015, 08:54:44 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 08:55:36 am
I feel like these crowns are only going to result in Dwarven Hitlers.
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
Hitler was quite emotional, especialy towards jews. Yes, the emotion was hate, but still. They would be more like dwarven Stalins, but with less coruption and paranoia.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 13, 2015, 09:05:37 am
Eh, I want to see how much the GM will make it f*** up.I feel like these crowns are only going to result in Dwarven Hitlers.
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
Hitler was quite emotional, especialy towards jews. Yes, the emotion was hate, but still. They would be more like dwarven Stalins, but with less coruption and paranoia.
This is a recipe for DISASTER.
Starts preparing popcorn.
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 09:09:28 am
Stalin was arguably worse if you compare death tolls.I feel like these crowns are only going to result in Dwarven Hitlers.
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
Hitler was quite emotional, especialy towards jews. Yes, the emotion was hate, but still. They would be more like dwarven Stalins, but with less coruption and paranoia.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 13, 2015, 09:13:51 am
Eh, Hitler wanted extermination of many more people, so let's put Hitler as permanently worse than Stalin.Stalin was arguably worse if you compare death tolls.I feel like these crowns are only going to result in Dwarven Hitlers.
No emotions is a Really bad trait.
Hitler was quite emotional, especialy towards jews. Yes, the emotion was hate, but still. They would be more like dwarven Stalins, but with less coruption and paranoia.
Though considering where Hitler is at, that doesn't say much.
Basically they're both criminals towards humanity.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 10:21:16 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 13, 2015, 10:26:05 am
Eh, the crownbearers shouldn't be too evil. The crown places them immovably on lawful neutral. They care not for cries of mercy but neither do they take bribes. They are not going to condemn any race but won't care for animal species going extinct either. No killing civilians for fun, but wouldn't hesitate to use them as bait. Basically, your average RTS player.So basically they are...
Puts on sunglasses.
The law.
There would be nothing to start something bad with, but there would be nothing to stop it with either.
This is dependent on a good foundation. *ding* Ah, my popcorn's ready.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 11:23:27 am
Post by: Dutrius on June 13, 2015, 11:28:46 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 11:54:03 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 13, 2015, 12:03:11 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 12:09:05 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 13, 2015, 12:33:20 pm
Speaking of which, maybe I should develop Luthus a bit more, so far I've only used him when my character is angry. I don't know if I like how my character is, I tend to default to a polite speech, but I kinda want to try a bunch of different things. At the same time I always forget that I'm supposed to play a role and return to that default speech.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 13, 2015, 01:12:07 pm
Drizzles spice on the popcorn.
I REALLY want to watch this.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 03:40:52 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 03:42:17 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 13, 2015, 03:45:13 pm
Okay, seriously. What scientific progress requires unsullied mountaintops?
A bunch of stuff related to low oxygen, snow and cold, and flight. And also a bunch of other things.
That place is also the only cold place the Aag nation have access to.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 03:51:33 pm
Observatories, volcanos, explosives testing ranges, mass drivers, particle accelerators, small haedron colliders, atmospherics testing, terraforming, isolated biospheres... The list goes on.Not really? At least half those things don't even require a mountaintop, and most of the rest wouldn't be effected by it having a portal. Eh, whatever. No portal for the Maags now.
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 03:54:19 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 13, 2015, 04:24:05 pm
I see tick 9, then posts and posts, then tick 11, but no tick 10?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 04:25:59 pm
Wait, did we ever have a tick 10?
I see tick 9, then posts and posts, then tick 11, but no tick 10?
There you go (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6295468#msg6295468), Stirk accidentialy named tick 10 tick 9.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 13, 2015, 04:32:32 pm
Oh. I never noticed since I haven't gotten an update on Utther since tick 8.Wait, did we ever have a tick 10?
I see tick 9, then posts and posts, then tick 11, but no tick 10?
There you go (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6295468#msg6295468), Stirk accidentialy named tick 10 tick 9.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 04:36:50 pm
ADDIT: I checked, I was on 10 crux on tick 10, and this tick does not say I overflowed, nor there was any reason for overflow.
Post by: Stirk on June 13, 2015, 05:13:15 pm
$$$ANSWERS
Extra-demension Portal: (? ? ?) (Many magic-or out of this reality- things are too unbeknown to pricecheck)
Wow, they clearly don't know how internet works.
It is expensive to put a series of tubes from a moving boat to land! Give them a break!
They have a monopoly. They can charge whatever the fuck they want.
((Also Stirk, I need confirmation on pmed actions and pricechecks from last tick.))
As I said before, Pmed actions are "low priority". Honestly, I probably won't be able to get to them until the weekend most of the time. If I am going to have to take half an our to write something that only one other person is going to read, you will have to wait half until I have half an hour to spare.
Weather Talk: Apparently a popular past time for people world wide.
$$$ANSWERS
Muselings: 5E for 10K
I assumed the whole werewolf thing went without saying. I did say that if they found a BALANCE it would be useful.
It was SUPPOSED to have a downside.
Not only that, but technically I shouldn't even be capable of making the Maag-Wolves then, absolutely impossible.
I am the god of binding, not balance, so I would never be able to make a blessing, I have no such sphere.
Sorry about that! I think more people would be angry at me if I put downsides to everything then if I ignored them...
On an unrelated note, annoyingly I haven't gotten the pmed stuff from like two ticks ago processed yet. I can't do anything this tick without that stuff getting processed, nor can I do actions for next tick due to the same reason.
Again, PMs are Low Priority. If I barely have time to get the IC done (even with skipping the income calculations), I am not going to have time to respond to PMs. Especially when everyone is sending me four pricechecks and two actions :-\.
Stirk, would it be easier for you if we added our god names and spheres to our IC actions? I'd like to get some of those prayers eventualy.
Eh, I am just having trouble telling some players apart. You changed your Avatar so I can't recognize you. The two people who don't have avatars and have names that start with a D are probably the hardest to tell apart. I would probably be able to at least match you to a character by now, but your character names are all too hard to spell/remember unless you are really active :-\.
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Mmm. This action doesn't seem to have ever been carried out Stirk?
I remember it happening? Totem magic certainly exists.
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Can I make non-'living' things Grow, Stirk?
Of course. You had wanted to do so with the planet, and your powers are only limited by their cost and your imagination
Stirk foolishly decided not to have a player limit so yes there's still room for new players..
KJP made the same mistake. WHY HAD I NOT LEARNED FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHEEEEEEERS?
Was the 3 Power required to destroy the penguin's soul or did you just assume I'd use it all?
No.
What are the new E/P/C maximums of the gods?
These will be updated on my sheet ~next tick when I calculate Essence Max Increase. Several Gods are close to 11/11/10.
Emotion's usefulness in decision making: In the end, it isn't really relevant. Generally, I try to make the (expensive) actions of Gods do as they want, independent on what would happen in real life. After all, Dwarves ain't human. If their God, who created them, thinks their psychology works a certain way, it probably does.
Going to sleep.
Congratulations.
Wait, did we ever have a tick 10?
I see tick 9, then posts and posts, then tick 11, but no tick 10?
Yes. Isn't hat how numbers work? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11. What is this "0"?
Err, Why am I on 5 crux?
ADDIT: I checked, I was on 10 crux on tick 10, and this tick does not say I overflowed, nor there was any reason for overflow.
Like I said, I have no clue which character you have :P. So you spent 9E on the crowns, and you originally had 4. So that is an overflow of 5. I was right all along.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 13, 2015, 05:18:50 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 05:33:53 pm
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$$$ANSWERSNot extradimension portal iirc, forcefield to protect against extradimensional portal magic. Is answer still ? ? ?
Extra-demension Portal: (? ? ?) (Many magic-or out of this reality- things are too unbeknown to pricecheck)
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 13, 2015, 05:35:11 pm
Yeah, I'm going to start marking my posts with my god name.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 05:37:04 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 13, 2015, 05:51:05 pm
Quote$$$ANSWERSNot extradimension portal iirc, forcefield to protect against extradimensional portal magic. Is answer still ? ? ?
Extra-demension Portal: (? ? ?) (Many magic-or out of this reality- things are too unbeknown to pricecheck)
Yes, I meant to put forciefield there.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 13, 2015, 05:52:29 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 13, 2015, 06:54:57 pm
I have no idea why or how...
This worries me greatly.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 13, 2015, 06:56:46 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 13, 2015, 10:50:02 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 14, 2015, 01:46:48 am
Has anyone tried essence to crux yet?could try power to crux first, power regenerates much faster if it fails.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 14, 2015, 01:52:10 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 14, 2015, 01:55:43 am
Also my essence income is.. Sorta larger than my power income.Has anyone tried essence to crux yet?could try power to crux first, power regenerates much faster if it fails.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 14, 2015, 02:02:08 am
It's also more likely to backfire spectacularly though.Wouldn't Essence backfire even more because it's effects would last longer, power is a temporary thing, but essence is more permanent.
Post by: ~Neri on June 14, 2015, 02:03:04 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 14, 2015, 02:26:20 am
That's exactly why essence is probably safer. Since power evaporates after a tick.Now we wait and see as Nilva is turned into a horrible monstrosity, starts spawning hordes of wolf demons, and starts calling themself the Wolf of Izalith.
Post by: ~Neri on June 14, 2015, 02:32:32 am
Like make more wolves.
Or accidentally break time via application of genderswapping to the metaphysical construct that makes up time. (I have no idea if that is even possible and don't intend to try~)
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 14, 2015, 02:41:26 pm
Damnit, why did those crowns had to be so expensive. Had I known that I had only 4E I probably wouldn't hadd made them at all.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 14, 2015, 02:46:45 pm
Post by: micelus on June 14, 2015, 06:35:19 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 14, 2015, 06:45:31 pm
Three? Space, Rilem and Non-Clan.
Yes, hipies hobbits and dwarves.
And I am powerless to make it only dwarves :_:
Post by: Andres on June 14, 2015, 06:51:21 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 14, 2015, 06:51:58 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 14, 2015, 06:53:10 pm
Post by: micelus on June 14, 2015, 07:10:52 pm
$$$
The Angel's Womb: The souls of Mavnon's dead followers are directed here after their end, enjoying a feeling of content until max soul density is achieved. When this occurs, the souls are combined and turned into an angel of Mavnon.
The Angel's Furnace: The souls of Mavnon's dead followers (or those cursed to her service) are directed here after their end, enjoying a feeling of content until max soul density is achieved. When this occurs, the souls are combined and turned into a Durazni army.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 14, 2015, 07:23:45 pm
The world fragments have continental drift right?
I guess? As far as I know things are assumed to work like in real life unless stated otherwise. I might be wrong, after all my mountain was assumed to be made of sand and not stone.
Edit: and yes, asking for a link would be better for the bestiary.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 15, 2015, 12:15:31 am
I need to reserve first post on page 100 of either IC or OOC for bestiary.Could just post it now, right here.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 15, 2015, 12:35:18 am
Also, Micelus, I like the word portabani, what's it based on/where does it come from?
Post by: micelus on June 15, 2015, 12:47:21 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 15, 2015, 08:23:58 am
Also, Stirk is up early today?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 15, 2015, 09:50:54 am
Stirk: G-Damnit, Finaly finished writing the turn. Why did I allow unlimited people. Why there are 22 of them? I'm late now, gotta go gotta go.
*Presses post and runs off*
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Post by: Stirk on June 15, 2015, 04:42:29 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 15, 2015, 04:45:30 pm
Not to mention you're doing a lotta work for each update.
Post by: Stirk on June 16, 2015, 01:33:05 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 16, 2015, 02:56:39 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 16, 2015, 03:07:08 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 16, 2015, 08:31:15 pm
Couldn't you just get Stirk to link to it on the first page?
He could.
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The world fragments have continental drift right?
Yes, I assume that they do.
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The Angel's Womb: 4-5E. Angel will need to be created seperatly, with a different essence cost. It is possible to create them directly, but you would have to describe the Angel that is being created fully for me to give a real price check, and it is likely to be prohibitively expensive.
The Angel's Furnace: 6-7E
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 16, 2015, 08:37:14 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 16, 2015, 08:42:17 pm
Wait, what is that offer my nation received? Did I miss something? And also stirk, why did you put that dwarf dude's prayer with those directed at me if it was for somebody else?
Because I do them in the order I see them. If I see them in a weird order, I will end up doing them in a weird order.
The Clan Rilem dwarves offered a cultural exchange with the Saplings and Aag nation. It was on the post with the numbers, I will get a quote up once I finish PMs.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 16, 2015, 08:44:37 pm
Wait, what is that offer my nation received? Did I miss something? And also stirk, why did you put that dwarf dude's prayer with those directed at me if it was for somebody else?
Because I do them in the order I see them. If I see them in a weird order, I will end up doing them in a weird order.
The Clan Rilem dwarves offered a cultural exchange with the Saplings and Aag nation. It was on the post with the numbers, I will get a quote up once I finish PMs.
Ok, thanks for the clarifications.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 16, 2015, 11:32:19 pm
Uh....
Also...does that 'kingdom' include Great Trees, or just Saplings?
Because they may experience a sudden and drastic increase in the size of their local predators should the former be the case.
Also, I may as well ask in the OOC:
$$$
Price check on making the Second Great Magic, a more violent form meant to allow the Great Trees and Beasts to defend themselves. The Beasts would be much more primitive and less effective with it. It would, basically, be a sort of general purpose telekinesis and/or summoning of protective creatures. Possibly a form of soldier Shade, conjured from the Tree's own massive shadow. So, actually...could I get a price check on both individually? (Summoning versus telekinesis(mostly to slam air down or slap with branches; it wouldn't be incredibly precise) And could I get a price check on if it simply allowed them to make shadows 3-dimensional and corporeal(mostly) and control those? I hate to use the analogy, but it might be compared to a shadow-based version of the Green Lantern's abilities. Except with, like, soldier constructs and moving things around and massive slamming branches of shadow. So not really at all like their abilities. I dunno, it's harder to describe.
May I also ask about how many Saplings there are? How many non-Sapling followers I might have? How advanced Sapling society is? How well they seem to be getting along/their standards of living? And how well they get along with the other races, if they know them at all?
Post by: micelus on June 17, 2015, 01:46:43 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 02:51:05 am
$$$
The Chitin Moon prevents any who sleep inside it from suffering nightmares.
Once a year the Chitin Moon buds off an immortal Chitin Ball. They are like the Chitin Moon in miniature, having a tiny portal to the sun for sustenance, producing nectar to feed ants, and being riddled with tiny ant-sized tunnels and passages. Each chitin ball can initially comfortably house and feed up to a million Chitin-Ants (taking into account that Chitin-Ants are ant sized) and are capable of speech anywhere within their bodies, as well as a soft whisper to the outside. The Balls have no physical entrances, and can only be accessed via portal magic. The surface chitin of the balls is twice as strong as steel, and resistant to many forms of damage, such as fire and acid. They protect against nightmares, regardless of whether the Chitin-Moon can do so or not and are very intelligent, with a perfect memory. They possess innate knowledge on magic, granted to them by Izgamlo, and all devoutly worship Izgamlo, and are literally incapable of worshiping other gods. They will serve the ants as guiders and protectors: teaching young ants magic, serving as living records of history, protecting the ants from harm with their tough chitin, and encouraging them on the path of Izgamlo. While tolerant of the worship of other gods, they try to gently nudge ants into at least somewhat honouring Izgamlo, such as by singing gentle Izgamlo themed lullabies to young larvae. Incapable of moving on their own, they must rely on outside forces to transport them. They have an innate capability to make a set of, temporary, small ant-sized portals twice a day, that it can keep open for up to an hour, or shorter if it so wishes. They are capable of using other magic, such as Portal Magic, if the need arises. The Chitin-Balls can re-arrange their internal passages and hollows, as well as the permanent internal portals they use for heat-management and food distribution to better suit the needs of the ants living within them. Their internal air system is self-contained. They do not sleep, and thus do not dream, and cannot become bored. They are my high priests, dedicated to a life of contemplation, worship, and instruction in the way of Izgamlo to the other races, as well as the spiritual caretakers of the ants. Their surface chitin becomes steadily tougher, and they grow slowly in size as the Chitin-Balls age, with the upper limits of both being unlimited, but improving and growing at a slow linear rate. Their senses are not linked to physical organs, but rather they have an awareness of anything within them, and within a hundred metres of them.
A Magic System of Telekinesis. Medium-Strength Magic. Powered by Essence and Age, the older you are the more powerful is your capability in telekinesis. Only creatures incapable of locomotion under their own power can use it. As an example, a quadriplegic fifty year old human might be able to move around his own bodymass under his own power, while a century old one might be able to move twice is body mass. Telekinesis strength not relative to bodysize, so a fifty year old writhe would not be able to move its own bodymass, but the bodymass of a human. So it'd probably take chitinballs a century or two to be able to move freely with telekinesis, though they can probably roll themselves around earlier than that, though that's be nauseating to any ants inside them. Requires years of unmoving contemplation to gain the ability to use it. Telekinetic power can be improved beyond the base rate by further unmoving contemplation, though if you spent all your time contemplating this effective increase your power gain by a further 20% compared to just aging.
Increase the reproduction rate of the ants to something equivalent to real life ants, assuming it isn't there already. RL ant colonies can have millions of ants iirc.
Boost intelligence of all ants to Beta Ant levels so that there aren't intelligence castes.
Double ant lifespans
Wards Magic System. Medium Strength. Powered by runes, precious metals, jewels and prayer. By engraving runes on an object, area or creature, and then pouring molten precious metals into the runic grooves, embedding jewels at key points in the runic array, burning hundreds of sticks of incense at the same time, and praying a couple of hours to Izgamlo, elaborate wards can be created, that prevent certain things from ocurring. For example you could put wards over a treasure vault to prevent portals from being created to the vault, or put wards over a ship that prevents it from being set afire. The effects of the wards can be toggled by the wielder of the object, the creature the wards were branded into, or the main creator of the wards for an area. You could create something like a set of armour that prevents all teleportation within a kilometre, or a Great Beast who is warded against melee attacks. Each ward is specific, but multiple wards can overlap, preventing multiple things from happening. However, the more wards are stacked, the more and more complex the process becomes, requiring a higher understanding of the Warding Magic, more runes, more jewels, more precious metals, more incense, more praying. Understanding and utilizing Ward Magic requires several decades of intensive study, with access to the appropriate learning materials, teachers and spell components to practise creating wards. Also lots of math. Multiple people can work together on a single warding, and only one of them actually has to understand it, so you could for example have a master warder directing a group of craftsmen to carve out the runes, with some acolytes doing the praying. The warding master must personally oversee everything however, personally inset the jewels, and rote learning of specific warding schemas is impossible, full comprehension is required for the ward to be successfully created. The wards are by no means unbreakable, and actions of sufficient power can overcome them. The more is put into the wards, in terms of prayer, precision of the runes, the quality and value of the gems, precious metals and incense, the stronger they are.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 17, 2015, 05:40:31 am
So I'm assuming the dwarves have never written down their knowledge of metalcrafting?
They have. Divine library does not work that way.
Post by: micelus on June 17, 2015, 06:08:29 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 06:13:58 am
This reminds me, I should probably make a portal in space that links to the divine library so the Writhes can access it. (They don't build space cities iirc)So I'm assuming the dwarves have never written down their knowledge of metalcrafting?
They have. Divine library does not work that way.
Stirk, the Writhes would survive fine in the Divine Library right? Or would they need to be adapted to survive in non-space environments?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 17, 2015, 06:23:20 am
In which case, Clan Rilem should already possess metalcrafting due to the power of the Ritual Stones.Saplings had ritual stones for a while longer and that got them nowhere in metalcraft. Now CRs ties with actual dwarves however..
This reminds me, I should probably make a portal in space that links to the divine library so the Writhes can access it. (They don't build space cities iirc)So I'm assuming the dwarves have never written down their knowledge of metalcrafting?
They have. Divine library does not work that way.
Can they even read writing of races they never interacted with? Would they even care?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 06:24:56 am
I'm guessing they can't read, so I'd teach them that too but its cheap. Of course they care, they have an insatiable hunger for knowledge.This reminds me, I should probably make a portal in space that links to the divine library so the Writhes can access it. (They don't build space cities iirc)So I'm assuming the dwarves have never written down their knowledge of metalcrafting?They have. Divine library does not work that way.
Can they even read writing of races they never interacted with? Would they even care?
Post by: micelus on June 17, 2015, 06:29:57 am
EDIT: The Divine Library only has history amongst its collection, yes? By history do we mean all events that have happened or only the general chronicle of events?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 06:48:01 am
Post by: micelus on June 17, 2015, 06:50:15 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on June 17, 2015, 06:53:08 am
Price check:
How much power would it cost to spark a golden age of invention for the dwarves(a large set of fey moods, productivity increases, and creativity boosts spread across a wide area)?
Post by: micelus on June 17, 2015, 07:21:23 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 07:32:07 am
What exactly are the mechanics of Portal Magic? From what I can tell its making a choice between memory/lifeforce and then turning this into portal...energy?It uses both energy and lifeforce actually. It sucks up lifeforce and memories, then uses this to make a portal. More the larger the portal is, and even more if the portal is permanent. Presumably memories provide a certain amount of oomph depending on their importance to the caster, how banal they are etc (example, memories of how portal magic actually works might be pretty important), and animal memories are probably of worse quality. Beyond that I haven't really expanded on the mechanics much since the level of focus of the game is such that too much detail just ends up superfluous.
I tried to set it up so you can make some pretty fucking badass portals but it's gonna cost a lot, either you personally or the herds of livestock that needs to be procured. I was thinking disposable/expendable portal casting people might also become a thing.
I can dig up the actual creation post of portal magic which should have a little more information if you like.
EDIT: Not quite sure what you're asking on a reread, but guess I should note that the portals can be used offensively, for example, portal to the bottom of the ocean to flood the enemy lines, portal through a enemy to cut him with what effectively functions like a two-dimensional knife etc.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 17, 2015, 08:08:58 am
Hehe, telefrag.What exactly are the mechanics of Portal Magic? From what I can tell its making a choice between memory/lifeforce and then turning this into portal...energy?It uses both energy and lifeforce actually. It sucks up lifeforce and memories, then uses this to make a portal. More the larger the portal is, and even more if the portal is permanent. Presumably memories provide a certain amount of oomph depending on their importance to the caster, how banal they are etc (example, memories of how portal magic actually works might be pretty important), and animal memories are probably of worse quality. Beyond that I haven't really expanded on the mechanics much since the level of focus of the game is such that too much detail just ends up superfluous.
I tried to set it up so you can make some pretty fucking badass portals but it's gonna cost a lot, either you personally or the herds of livestock that needs to be procured. I was thinking disposable/expendable portal casting people might also become a thing.
I can dig up the actual creation post of portal magic which should have a little more information if you like.
EDIT: Not quite sure what you're asking on a reread, but guess I should note that the portals can be used offensively, for example, portal to the bottom of the ocean to flood the enemy lines, portal through a enemy to cut him with a two-dimensional knife etc.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 17, 2015, 08:50:41 am
Even the tiny details like John stole this cake from Abbey who told Marcus to tell the magistrate?
Yes, although records this detailed would never be found due to how restrictions of Divine Library work.
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Price check:
How much power would it cost to spark a golden age of invention for the dwarves(a large set of fey moods, productivity increases, and creativity boosts spread across a wide area)?
You can use any ammount, the more you use the greater the effect. Also, I hate you, because now all gods will do this.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 08:55:05 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 17, 2015, 09:34:58 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 17, 2015, 10:29:49 am
Oh, Ants are a civilization; it's only that they have already been conquered twice, both times by someone empowered by a god. Ants have been at war for longer than all ring races combined. And with a divinely empowered monster combined with however many are hiding in the shadows, I truly doubt that there are any adventures on the first floor at the moment.Uh what? Conquest is someone from the outside taking over, specifically with military force. The ants have had a civil war and some infighting but no foreign power has come and conquered them. In addition, suddenly mind controllers most certainly isn't conquest, since conquest is taking over via military force, while this was mind-control pheremones. The alphas weren't empowered, at least not publically, and also not by me, so only one set of "conquerors" were divinely empowered. The alphas also didn't conquer anyone, they just kind of filled up the vacuum left by the Archons being destroyed.
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((When did I say that we should care for our races alone?))You brushed off my concerns about you killing people by saying the gods should take care of their own worshippers. Ergo, you, Lorash, don't care about the worshippers of others and the other gods should take care of them if they don't want them to die in your attack.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 17, 2015, 10:40:53 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 17, 2015, 11:32:00 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 17, 2015, 11:58:44 am
Oh, Ants are a civilization; it's only that they have already been conquered twice, both times by someone empowered by a god. Ants have been at war for longer than all ring races combined. And with a divinely empowered monster combined with however many are hiding in the shadows, I truly doubt that there are any adventures on the first floor at the moment.Uh what? Conquest is someone from the outside taking over, specifically with military force. The ants have had a civil war and some infighting but no foreign power has come and conquered them. In addition, suddenly mind controllers most certainly isn't conquest, since conquest is taking over via military force, while this was mind-control pheremones. The alphas weren't empowered, at least not by me, so only one set of "conquerors" were divinely empowered. The alphas also didn't conquer anyone, they just kind of filled up the vacuum left by the Archons being destroyed.Quote((When did I say that we should care for our races alone?))You brushed off my concerns about you killing people by saying the gods should take care of their own worshippers. Ergo, you, Lorash, don't care about the worshippers of others and the other gods should take care of them if they don't want them to die in your attack.
Guess it would be more like rebelion supported by outside forces, though one could still argue that the uplifted ants would serve a diferent god, who, being an outsider, would then count as conqueror.
As for saving others there, it was an atempt to get other gods, especialy creator of dungeon, involved. I'm basicly dry on energies, can't realy go around wasting it.
Post by: Detoxicated on June 17, 2015, 07:53:35 pm
PRICECHECK:
Pricecheck on a race of sapient spiders, sized like dogs, who are able to weave more space into small locations (1m+ per day). They are prone at weaving and can't see well during bright sunlight. They have a diet of fungi and meat.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 17, 2015, 08:04:53 pm
Pricecheck on a sapient lifeform twice as smart as a human and twice as weak as them.
Edit: Forget it, I decided to do it now.
Post by: Andres on June 17, 2015, 09:41:20 pm
What reference?Quote from: StirkHuman Minstrel: I heard there was a sacred cord that you could play to please the lord, but you don't really care for music, do you?Lol at the song reference.
If the God of Souls, I forget her name did that, it would cost 8k Essence.Iliseth.
I lol'd at this.I'd like to get some of those prayers eventualy.Too late, all your followers now believe you're giving them the silent treatment.
5% commit suicide out of desperation, 10% leave for other faiths, and the rest worship you even harder, hoping you'll come back eventually.
I lol'd at this too.Was the 3 Power required to destroy the penguin's soul or did you just assume I'd use it all?It was a very strong penguin.
It was their emperor.
Now the penguin lands are in deep civil war, because their emperor was the only thing keeping their people in peace.
Thousands of penguins die each day, and it's all your fault.
Also create the soul-gathering system for the Great Trees and Saplings. If Iliseth is willing to help, great. If not, that works too. They probably won't since they won't be benefiting from it directly, though.Can someone tell me what this is? This is extremely relevant to my interests and I need to know what it is as soon as possible.
I'd like to know what's going on with Humanity at the moment. Apparently some guy is empowered by a god and is conquering places? He also has a way to travel to the other fragments? I'm skimming but there's a lot to skim and a lot of stuff happens in conversations which I'm skimming even more. Oh and thanks for messing with my one and only race while I was away on a cruise and unable to even tell what was going on, let alone react to it.
EDIT: Actually, can I just get a run-down of generally important stuff that's happened in the last 3 Ticks?
EDIT2: Can I look at souls without soul sense? You keep referring to soul sense as NV goggles so I'm guessing if I stop using it I'll still be able to see souls.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 17, 2015, 09:50:17 pm
You could at least try using the internet before asking. :P
Although it's secret, not sacred, Stirk. :P Though they both fit.
I've described it in this thread, Andres. If you look up [Souls Great Trees] in the thread search, it shouldn't be hard to find.
Post by: Andres on June 17, 2015, 09:55:33 pm
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJFB0nfLAg) song, Andres.I didn't know which part of that line was the reference. Apparently it was all a reference. I now know that references are allowed....
You could at least try using the internet before asking. :P
I've described it in this thread, Andres. If you look up [Souls Great Trees] in the thread search, it shouldn't be hard to find.Thank you.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 17, 2015, 10:45:12 pm
Not quite the same as players doing so.
Though I am half Treebeard.
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 12:52:54 am
Post by: micelus on June 18, 2015, 12:56:14 am
I.e, Clan Rilem Dwarves (one of my sideprojects) is invading weak human polities. They are currently maintaining a non-aggression pact with the Great Tribe.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 18, 2015, 12:57:12 am
Post by: micelus on June 18, 2015, 01:30:53 am
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 01:38:13 am
Human. Dwarf. Sapling. Aag. Ant. Long ago, the five races lived in harmony. Then everything changed when the Dwarves attacked. Only Iliseth, Goddess of Blood, could save them. But when the worlds needed her most, she vanished.Oh god this is so true! :'D
I don't recall, but we can't cancel actions once they've been publicly countered right?Best ask Stirk.
Post by: Vgray on June 18, 2015, 01:39:02 am
This would be the relevant quote from the Utther incident.Didn't KJP have a rule about canceling actions in the original Ye Gods?
Either way, I personally hope Stirk makes you do the action anyway.
Canceling actions is fine, though you generally shouldn't do it for OOC reasons. "Backing down" after seeing all the negative response to a creation is fine. Everyone just does it in secret anyway...
What do the Ants have to do with anything? Besides, it makes the quote better if you don't include them.Human. Dwarf. Sapling. Aag. Ant. Long ago, the five races lived in harmony. Then everything changed when the Dwarves attacked. Only Iliseth, Goddess of Blood, could save them. But when the worlds needed her most, she vanished.Oh god this is so true! :'DI don't recall, but we can't cancel actions once they've been publicly countered right?Best ask Stirk.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 18, 2015, 01:55:26 am
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Illyria reports that the CR Dwarves have indeed attempted to use livestock. The have also experimented with using plant life, enemy combatants, captured enemies, and sharing the burden between groups. None are particularly successful, and this is only the beginning of the list of their attempts. She reports that it seems almost impossible for the average Portabanii to borrow energy from an unwilling being, the limited success they have was when the Portabani had raised the livestock themselves. Never the less, they follow your orders and begin raising livestock as demanded.Stirk, clarification request, are the dwarves just too incompetent to do group casting? Because I meant for group casting to be possible. I might have to use some essence to fix that if group casting isn't possible currently.
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 03:41:57 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 18, 2015, 03:50:15 am
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 03:57:42 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 18, 2015, 01:33:57 pm
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And built god inspired by late Khaziraad
Spoiler: Monolithian architect (click to show/hide)
Wonder if a game could be made from this.
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 03:57:03 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 18, 2015, 04:13:22 pm
Teburshe just doesn't have a great deal of overlap with Iliserh., and is honestly fairly distanced from most gods. He likes Liuthus because Progress+Growth, and Mavnon and Izgamlo he's mostly gotten along with, while Patronius seems dangerous but potentially very helpful. That's about it. He looks at the situation, and gives his opinion.
He dislikes Utther because A. Destruction vs. Growth and B. He stole my crotchety old man role.
Post by: Vgray on June 18, 2015, 04:25:51 pm
I guess Uztot needs to go to charm school.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 18, 2015, 04:50:27 pm
Incest isn't really a concept in Sapling culture with how they reproduce... ;)
Post by: ~Neri on June 18, 2015, 04:54:00 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 18, 2015, 04:55:22 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 18, 2015, 04:57:05 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 18, 2015, 05:05:02 pm
Search Great Trees or Saplings in either OOC or IC, and it should be one of the mentions of them(aka the farthest back posts).
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 05:06:41 pm
Knowledge of Art and the relevant disciplines would be necessary to create these medallions, but otherwise it's possibly that any god could make similar ones.
Would creating the above system be free, all things considered, or would I have to spend Essence on creating the system?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 18, 2015, 05:12:53 pm
I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 05:14:15 pm
Uhhhh....I don't quite understand what you're saying. Could you rephrase? (No sarcasm)I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
Post by: ~Neri on June 18, 2015, 05:16:16 pm
You could always look at the post where I made them, ya know, Kevak.I don't think you ever specified. I'll look later though.
Search Great Trees or Saplings in either OOC or IC, and it should be one of the mentions of them(aka the farthest back posts).
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 18, 2015, 05:16:46 pm
Uhhhh....I don't quite understand what you're saying. Could you rephrase? (No sarcasm)I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
I hate encroaching empires but antimater is expensive.
Post by: Stirk on June 18, 2015, 05:18:50 pm
I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
I put an absurd cost on a city-leveling explosion....
Post by: Happy Demon on June 18, 2015, 05:21:24 pm
You seem quite nuke happy.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 18, 2015, 05:25:32 pm
Them's the breaks.
Of course, the alternative route would be for Stirk to say that the entirety of the universe is made up of anti-matter, so that it would have no effect.
And yes, I did, Kevak. I looked it up immediately after telling you. I even found an instance of giving the link to Andres when he asked/did the exact same thing. That is actually the primary reason it annoyed me, is because I don't wanna end up doing it for half the people here. >.>
Post by: ~Neri on June 18, 2015, 05:26:41 pm
A milligram should be more then enough to level the throne room. It's 1/500th of a Hiroshima explosion.I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
I put an absurd cost on a city-leveling explosion.
In this universe, antimatter is harder to make than normal matter, regardless of location.*shall look up at some point~*
Them's the breaks.
Of course, the alternative route would be for Stirk to say that the entirety of the universe is made up of anti-matter, so that it would have no effect.
And yes, I did, Kevak. I looked it up immediately after telling you. I even found an instance of giving the link to Andres when he asked/did the exact same thing. That is actually the primary reason it annoyed me, is because I don't wanna end up doing it for half the people here. >.>
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 18, 2015, 05:28:55 pm
It's a little easier to visualize if you don't measure everything in Hiroshimas.
Post by: Stirk on June 18, 2015, 05:33:59 pm
1 gram=43 kilotonsA milligram should be more then enough to level the throne room. It's 1/500th of a Hiroshima explosion.I listen to prayers. Any asking me to save them from Frederick or is everyone just kinda alright with his rule?
Had Stirk not placed an absurd cost on something that acts like normal matter 99% of the time, they would be just kinda alright with crater of Frederic
I put an absurd cost on a city-leveling explosion.
1 miligram= 43 tons
43 tons=~this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQr62lZbsM)
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 05:35:20 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 18, 2015, 05:39:18 pm
That and I still accociate the Aag nation with Lithus and forgot about my poor Lizards...
Post by: Jbg97 on June 18, 2015, 11:27:29 pm
Post by: Andres on June 18, 2015, 11:41:09 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 18, 2015, 11:54:40 pm
EDIT: And no update today it seems. :(
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 19, 2015, 02:26:03 am
Post by: micelus on June 19, 2015, 03:28:45 am
Vault of Quintessence: the Highest Heaven, its inhabitants are in a dream-like existence where all their wishes come true. Those who reside here have performed great acts and deeds for the Church.
Vault of Bliss: Those devout who while pious, were unable to greatly aid the Church. Their existence is peaceful and pleasurable but much like mortal life.
Vault of Mire: A realm of eternal night, this vault is quiet and oddly beautiful but not at all a perfect afterlife. Its inhabitants live a life very much akin to their mortal lives with much of its hardships, but are able to reincarnate for a chance at another vault. Those who come here were not very pious.
Vault of Rectification: A hellish realm of forges, its residents are here only for a short time before being turned into Durazni and shipped off to serve the High Church in the mortal realm. Those sent here have sinned immensely towards the gods or their mortal kin.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 19, 2015, 05:33:02 am
Post by: Andres on June 19, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 19, 2015, 07:38:54 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 19, 2015, 08:00:24 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 19, 2015, 11:53:12 am
Post by: Jbg97 on June 19, 2015, 01:18:52 pm
Andres, didn't you say you wanted do to a bestiary? Now would be the time. I don't know what half of the species are supposed to be and I don't seem to be the only one.A list of artifacts would be nice too.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 19, 2015, 01:21:23 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 19, 2015, 01:32:42 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 19, 2015, 01:35:08 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 19, 2015, 02:46:38 pm
Post by: Andres on June 19, 2015, 04:07:05 pm
Andres, didn't you say you wanted do to a bestiary? Now would be the time. I don't know what half of the species are supposed to be and I don't seem to be the only one.I will, but only if it's on the first post of page 100 of either thread. Even if it doesn't help anyone else with navigation, it certainly helped me a lot when it came to updating it.
Those tend to be made in secret and are usually less important than races so no.Andres, didn't you say you wanted do to a bestiary? Now would be the time. I don't know what half of the species are supposed to be and I don't seem to be the only one.A list of artifacts would be nice too.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 19, 2015, 05:22:02 pm
Those tend to be made in secret and are usually less important than races so no.I thought they were all made in public.
Good to know you've been building up artifacts.
Post by: ~Neri on June 19, 2015, 05:25:42 pm
+1~Those tend to be made in secret and are usually less important than races so no.I thought they were all made in public.
Good to know you've been building up artifacts.
Post by: Stirk on June 19, 2015, 06:16:43 pm
Post by: Andres on June 19, 2015, 08:09:43 pm
I'm just guessing from how it was in Ye Gods. I haven't made any artifacts yet, but the two I plan to make will be done in secret.Those tend to be made in secret and are usually less important than races so no.I thought they were all made in public.
Good to know you've been building up artifacts.
Post by: Stirk on June 19, 2015, 11:25:22 pm
Never mind, I am pushing through!
In other news, the average Novel is said to have 50,000-120,000 words. How many ticks do you think it will take to hit that?
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 19, 2015, 11:29:50 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 01:48:28 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 01:49:27 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 20, 2015, 01:54:17 am
You know, for a world that has the god of destruction locked up, you all sure do love mass murder and conquering.I'm starting to think Utther was the lesser of two evils.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 01:55:30 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 20, 2015, 01:55:58 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 01:57:18 am
Why haven't we freed him yet?I thought he'd get freed automatically after the time limit? I'm just saying I think the time limit has expired and his imprisoning should have worn off by now.
Post by: ~Neri on June 20, 2015, 01:59:30 am
Unless he secretly killed millions.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 04:54:40 am
Post by: Vgray on June 20, 2015, 05:11:29 am
The self-swinging part more than the insane part.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 05:26:25 am
(...Jumping spiders don't make webs, do they? Doh!)Actually, some species do. Its a very varied genus.
"My flying islands shall be called Elysium!"
Create the Aliciaborn. Aliciaborn are sentient creatures, of various shapes and sizes. Most are similar to butterflies or dragonflies, but bird-like creatures, incorporeal beings and rarely tiny, non-sapient humanoids. They can only live on Elysium. All Aliciaborn can interbreed by fusing a part of their soul, but they prefer to mate with those similar to them. Create as much of them as i can, using essence.
Use 5 power to boost the fertility rate of the Alicia-born. Send a few of them to the three planets, and ask/order them to become the loyal pets of powerful leaders.
Quote from: Stirk
Alicia grants a large fertility bonus to her Alicia-born, increasing their numbers. She then orders them to become pets for powerful leaders of other races, sending them there herself. They swiftly die, unable to live off of their islands. (Alicia -5P)
She also tries to find the reason of the death of the Alicia-born.
Quote from: Stirk
The Alicia-born seem to be incapable of leaving the Islands for long periods of time without dying.Lol
Post by: micelus on June 20, 2015, 05:40:56 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 05:41:44 am
Those GM-only spoilers. So tempting. So very very tempting.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 05:50:17 am
Why do the have the feeling Illiseth is going to end up being our 'insane self-swinging axe' to quote a quote regarding the Burlusts from The Last Federation?She has no experience with peace-making and she was literally born ready for war. If your god wants to give mine some advice, I suggest he does so.
The self-swinging part more than the insane part.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 05:58:31 am
Celestial Bodies:
Spoiler: Rod Sun (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Three Torus planet Fragments (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Chitin Moon - Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Glowing Asteroid Belt - Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Elysium - Alicia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Space Dungeon - Verruckt, Nilva, Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Creatures:
Generic Plants
Spoiler: Black-Leaved Trees - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Megafauna & Megaflora - Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ink-Insects - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Aliciaborn - Alicia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Sandcotton - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Nameless Sandcotton - Skolld (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: OldMan Owls - Utther (click to show/hide)
Rabbits - Illiseth
Horses - Illiseth
Spoiler: Dragons - Char (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Durazni - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Small Purple-Leafed Plant - Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Mana Trees - Teburshe & Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Wisps - Char (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Great Beasts - Teburshe & Nilva (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Deep Crawlers - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Races:
Spoiler: Chitin Ants - Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Archons (Chitin Ant Subspecies) EXTINCT - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Saplings & Great Trees - Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hearth Keepers - Uztot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Maag - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Maag Werewolves - Skolld (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Clan Rilem Dwarves - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Space Clan Dwarves - Stellarion (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Writhes - Ra Ha Sahaka (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Naiads - Uztot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Durrakil - Stellarion (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Elemental Wolves - Skolld (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Earth Jaguars - Skolld (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Loi'naaryt - Moi'aaty (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Saag - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Droogans - Char (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Crystal People - Sevron (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Muselings - Alicia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lizardmen - Uztot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Orcs - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Yaag - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Aragna - Stellarion (click to show/hide)
Unique Beings:
Spoiler: Ewuobuhr - Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Illyria - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Immortal Ant - Uztot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 50 Incorporeal Children - Alicia (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Lan Cao - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Temujin - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Neiron (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Frederick - Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tenth Immortal - Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Artifacts:
Spoiler: 14 Ritual Stones (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 1 Agali, Little Friend Ritual Stone Six (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Obelisk - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ring of Magic - Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ring of Courage - Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ring of Protection - Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ring of Knowledge - Patronius (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Space Slab - Sevron (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Divine Library - Lorash (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Maag Mosaic - Uztot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Utther's Stick - Utther (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Marrkelberry - Stellarion (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 3 Dwarven Crowns - Lorash (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hero's Charge - Mavnon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Evolution Orbs - Verruckt (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Plasma Rifle - Lithus (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Unnamed Great Tower - Stellarion, Izgamlo, Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 06:03:47 am
You're awesome, DS.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 20, 2015, 06:14:34 am
(I don't know how to do this IRL. Can I just do something like "I tell him of X ingredients that can be used to preserve blood"?)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticoagulant
Post by: Happy Demon on June 20, 2015, 06:20:00 am
It would be a shame if the battlefield got some of those seeds in them.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 06:24:13 am
Yeah except I have no idea what any of that means and I don't know what kinds of plants and stuff are available to ancient people that could help with the fresh-keeping.(I don't know how to do this IRL. Can I just do something like "I tell him of X ingredients that can be used to preserve blood"?)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticoagulant
Does using Art decrease the energy cost of me doing stuff?
Post by: micelus on June 20, 2015, 06:35:28 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 06:35:58 am
Spoiler: Portal Magic - Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Ritual Magic - Lorash (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Totem Magic - Aurosseu, Izgamlo, Illiseth, ??? (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pyromancy - Char (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Growth Magic - Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Great Magic - Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Instrumental Magic - Alicia (click to show/hide)
Technology:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Afterlives:
Spoiler: Izgamlo (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Teburshe (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hall of Memories, Lorash (click to show/hide)
Fucking Secret Stuff:
Dreamborn - Aurosseu
Walkers - Aurosseu
Dreamcatchers - Aurosseu
Spoiler: Teethstealers - Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shadow Kobolds - Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 20, 2015, 06:39:54 am
Why must you people make being a god of mettal so dificult?
Post by: Vgray on June 20, 2015, 06:42:50 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 06:52:41 am
You forgot Temujin, Spoon. He's mentioned only once but he's still an immortal.Oh the wolf. I hadn't gotten to him yet. I'm moving chronologically through the ticks. And he's mentioned at least twice.
Post by: micelus on June 20, 2015, 06:54:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QRYs2dT.png)
Why must you people make being a god of mettal so dificult?
Where's this from?
You forgot Temujin, Spoon. He's mentioned only once but he's still an immortal.Oh the wolf. I hadn't gotten to him yet. I'm moving chronologically through the ticks. And he's mentioned at least twice.
Ah.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 20, 2015, 06:58:47 am
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 07:28:25 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 07:49:16 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 20, 2015, 08:33:18 am
Haha I completely forgot I wrote that xD(...Jumping spiders don't make webs, do they? Doh!)Actually, some species do. Its a very varied genus."My flying islands shall be called Elysium!"
Create the Aliciaborn. Aliciaborn are sentient creatures, of various shapes and sizes. Most are similar to butterflies or dragonflies, but bird-like creatures, incorporeal beings and rarely tiny, non-sapient humanoids. They can only live on Elysium. All Aliciaborn can interbreed by fusing a part of their soul, but they prefer to mate with those similar to them. Create as much of them as i can, using essence.Use 5 power to boost the fertility rate of the Alicia-born. Send a few of them to the three planets, and ask/order them to become the loyal pets of powerful leaders.Quote from: StirkAlicia grants a large fertility bonus to her Alicia-born, increasing their numbers. She then orders them to become pets for powerful leaders of other races, sending them there herself. They swiftly die, unable to live off of their islands. (Alicia -5P)She also tries to find the reason of the death of the Alicia-born.Quote from: StirkThe Alicia-born seem to be incapable of leaving the Islands for long periods of time without dying.Lol
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 20, 2015, 10:52:15 am
Except that I explicitly specified that sacrifices can be used to power portal magic? ??? Why shouldn't I assume its possible to use sacrifices, since that's how I designed it?Mmm, so using unwilling sacrifices appears to be skill-based, since Illyria managed it before. Interesting!
((I think it is a good time to note that there is a pretty big difference between a God of Magic specifically preparing sacrifices for a certain goal VS normal magic use. You should not assume that something can be done under any conditions just because it is done once here.))
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 03:46:51 pm
Except that I explicitly specified that sacrifices can be used to power portal magic? ??? Why shouldn't I assume its possible to use sacrifices, since that's how I designed it?Mmm, so using unwilling sacrifices appears to be skill-based, since Illyria managed it before. Interesting!
((I think it is a good time to note that there is a pretty big difference between a God of Magic specifically preparing sacrifices for a certain goal VS normal magic use. You should not assume that something can be done under any conditions just because it is done once here.))
I think he meant that a sacrifice made by a god is much more powerful that one made by a mortal. At least that's how I understand it.
Edit: Oh, and massive thanks Demonic spoon for the everything-iary.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 03:47:46 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 20, 2015, 03:51:35 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 06:26:00 pm
I swear I do everything I can to avoid making massive walls of text but it's becoming harder at each time.
At this rate my posts are going to be bigger than the tick updates.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 20, 2015, 06:27:08 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 20, 2015, 06:28:00 pm
I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.Well, you can start with the inactive ones.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 06:31:51 pm
I wonder if we can eat other gods and absorb the crux and essence.I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.Well, you can start with the inactive ones.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 06:32:16 pm
I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.Lithus vs Patronius. Iliseth vs Mavnon.
Post by: Vgray on June 20, 2015, 06:38:17 pm
And Uztot is caught in the middle of everything.
Post by: micelus on June 20, 2015, 06:53:35 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 06:54:25 pm
It's more like Mavon/Patronius vs. Iliseth/Lithus at this rate.No one ever notices Utther.
And Uztot is caught in the middle of everything.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 07:15:56 pm
I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.
I think I will try to do something to record who is at war with who. Probably a crappy doodle like I did when proposing the torus world and spiral sun. Also, I really need to draw the Yaag and the Deepcrawlers. I also have a half finished drawing of a Maag in Sandcotton leaf armor I should really finish.
Edit:
Most likely completely wrong and missing several civilizations. If anyone find something missing or wrong, please tell me.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 08:36:55 pm
Spoiler: GM/Pantheon Only (click to show/hide)
EDIT: What's this "New Kingdom"? What's this "Beast"? What are these "Advents"? I REALLY need a rundown on important stuff that's happened while I was on the cruise.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 08:47:31 pm
I'll be unavailable for most of the evening, so I might not be able to answer anybody for that period of time.
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 08:48:36 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 08:51:07 pm
What race is this New Kingdom made up of? Who leads it?
People from every single sapient races, except maybe the great tree. The leader is a unnamed human. Not much is known about them publicly.
Edit: Demonic spoon, I just noticed you missed the Yaag in your bestiary. The post in which I created them is here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785).
And also, andres, stirk said the new kingdom is the largest currently existing, IIRC.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 09:32:13 pm
I dont think the new guys are attacking the human kingdom. They're on different fragments arent they?I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.
I think I will try to do something to record who is at war with who. Probably a crappy doodle like I did when proposing the torus world and spiral sun. Also, I really need to draw the Yaag and the Deepcrawlers. I also have a half finished drawing of a Maag in Sandcotton leaf armor I should really finish.
Edit:Most likely completely wrong and missing several civilizations. If anyone find something missing or wrong, please tell me.
Post by: micelus on June 20, 2015, 09:33:00 pm
I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.
I think I will try to do something to record who is at war with who. Probably a crappy doodle like I did when proposing the torus world and spiral sun. Also, I really need to draw the Yaag and the Deepcrawlers. I also have a half finished drawing of a Maag in Sandcotton leaf armor I should really finish.
Edit:Most likely completely wrong and missing several civilizations. If anyone find something missing or wrong, please tell me.
Ehh well Clan Rilem is 'allied' more with the Great Tribe than with the other dwarves who simply trade with the Clan.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 20, 2015, 09:39:18 pm
I dont think the new guys are attacking the human kingdom. They're on different fragments arent they?I have no god damn idea who is trying to kil who, which gods are fighting which and what is the situation in mortal realm. I am honestly thinking about starting to kill gods until number decreaces enough so that I'd be able to keep track of them.
I think I will try to do something to record who is at war with who. Probably a crappy doodle like I did when proposing the torus world and spiral sun. Also, I really need to draw the Yaag and the Deepcrawlers. I also have a half finished drawing of a Maag in Sandcotton leaf armor I should really finish.
Edit:Most likely completely wrong and missing several civilizations. If anyone find something missing or wrong, please tell me.
I don't remember seeing stirk ever mentioning that anything is on a different fragment from another one, so I kinda assumed everyone is on the same one. We really should give them a name at some point. I might be completely wrong, though.
I'll add your corrections as soon I can, micelus.
Edit: Done
Post by: Andres on June 20, 2015, 11:49:36 pm
Price check on creating a corporeal dimension
Post by: Jbg97 on June 20, 2015, 11:51:15 pm
$$$sounds ridiculously expensive
Price check on creating a corporeal dimension
Post by: Stirk on June 21, 2015, 12:36:03 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 21, 2015, 01:00:55 am
I think I got most the PMs from the past ticks responded too. I will see if I can get the willpower up to do OOC and/or the tick tommorow.You didn't respond to mine? :(
Post by: Stirk on June 21, 2015, 01:03:12 am
I think I got most the PMs from the past ticks responded too. I will see if I can get the willpower up to do OOC and/or the tick tommorow.You didn't respond to mine? :(
Oh yeah. Missed that :P. Ill get on it. AFTER MIDNIGHT PM TIME GOOO!
*Think* I got it now.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 21, 2015, 01:17:08 am
Post by: Andres on June 21, 2015, 01:51:07 am
I think I got most the PMs from the past ticks responded too. I will see if I can get the willpower up to do OOC and/or the tick tommorow.Probably best to do the OOC before it gets any more out of date.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 21, 2015, 11:09:54 am
Price check on a Big Stick that gets Bigger?
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 21, 2015, 11:18:50 am
What about a Bigger Stick that becomes the Biggest?
Post by: Happy Demon on June 21, 2015, 11:20:58 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 21, 2015, 11:21:41 am
And stick-measuring will get us nowhere.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 21, 2015, 11:26:27 am
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 21, 2015, 11:39:24 am
€€€Begun the Elf Wars have.
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 21, 2015, 12:11:44 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 21, 2015, 12:24:50 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 21, 2015, 01:24:58 pm
OMNOMNOM€€€Begun the Elf Wars have.
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
DELICIOUS TINY BONES
YOU WILL MAKE THE BEST BREAD
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 21, 2015, 01:27:40 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 21, 2015, 03:10:13 pm
Elves?€€€Begun the Elf Wars have.
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
¥¥¥
Cost check on making a race of elves.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 21, 2015, 03:15:11 pm
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]Elves?€€€Begun the Elf Wars have.
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
¥¥¥
Cost check on making a race of elves.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 21, 2015, 03:34:10 pm
£££[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]Elves?€€€Begun the Elf Wars have.
Price check on a race of small bony sapient creatures that eat people.
Oh, and price check on inventing chains.
¥¥¥
Cost check on making a race of elves.
Cost check on making all humans get permanent hereditary cannibalistic urges.
Post by: Stirk on June 21, 2015, 05:14:25 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 21, 2015, 05:24:50 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 21, 2015, 10:11:26 pm
By the way, price checks use the three dollar signs because that way the GM can just throw them into the search bar and read all new ones at once. Using different currency symbols defeats the point, really.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 21, 2015, 10:17:44 pm
Isn't Father's Day in November? At least in my calendar it is. Also grumble grumble celebration borne of commercialism not tradition grumble grumble.Well, it was meant as semi-serious. I actually don't care about the cost, I'll just do the action anyway.
By the way, price checks use the three dollar signs because that way the GM can just throw them into the search bar and read all new ones at once. Using different currency symbols defeats the point, really.
Post by: Andres on June 21, 2015, 11:03:28 pm
Spoiler: Familiars (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vgray on June 21, 2015, 11:06:19 pm
Isn't Father's Day in November? At least in my calendar it is. Also grumble grumble celebration borne of commercialism not tradition grumble grumble.I'd just like to point out that that has never worked for me ever. It doesn't give you any results.
By the way, price checks use the three dollar signs because that way the GM can just throw them into the search bar and read all new ones at once. Using different currency symbols defeats the point, really.
Post by: Andres on June 21, 2015, 11:21:34 pm
Price check on creating a combat-enhanced angel
If someone drinks only the above angel's blood for a week (they'll survive because it's angel blood), can I make it so that person also becomes combat-enhanced?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 21, 2015, 11:52:02 pm
$$$Somehow I feel like that would be the opposite. Drinking pure divinity can't be good for mortals, after all; they'll burst! Just like they can't drink nectar or eat ambrosia. Greek nectar, if you're thinking of flower nectar instead, Andres.
Price check on creating a combat-enhanced angel
If someone drinks only the above angel's blood for a week (they'll survive because it's angel blood), can I make it so that person also becomes combat-enhanced?
Plus, people can survive a week without food. It would suck, but they could, so long as they had water. And blood has some small nutritional value.
Post by: Andres on June 21, 2015, 11:59:55 pm
So just like torus worlds can't work because they'll just collapse.....$$$Somehow I feel like that would be the opposite. Drinking pure divinity can't be good for mortals, after all; they'll burst! Just like they can't drink nectar or eat ambrosia. Greek nectar, if you're thinking of flower nectar instead, Andres.
Price check on creating a combat-enhanced angel
If someone drinks only the above angel's blood for a week (they'll survive because it's angel blood), can I make it so that person also becomes combat-enhanced?
Plus, people can survive a week without food. It would suck, but they could, so long as they had water. And blood has some small nutritional value.
I knew what you were talking about. I was really into Greek mythology when I was a kid.
Yes, but people can't normally survive on blood and nothing else. Also, they'd probably vomit it out if it was normal blood.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 12:19:21 am
Haven't you ever read Ringworld?
So angel blood doesn't induce nausea, then? And/or it tastes delicious?
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 12:22:53 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 12:27:35 am
It did break. And why, exactly, would it collapse?It broke because a lot of Power was put into it. It would collapse because it's not physically possible.
Haven't you ever read Ringworld?
So angel blood doesn't induce nausea, then? And/or it tastes delicious?
Nope.
No nausia. It doesn't really taste much more different than Human blood but it does taste....holier. When you drink it, the thought that you're drinking an angel is greater than the thought that you're drinking blood. It's kinda weird.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 12:32:34 am
As in it wouldn't form naturally? Sure. But as in it's impossible to stay in that shape? How so?
Read it. It's good.
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 12:33:18 am
Does it taste like cheese?
Or duck?
Or maybe swan?
What about pork?
Or beef?
Post by: Vgray on June 22, 2015, 12:38:23 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 12:43:28 am
It tastes like your mother's cooking if Percy Jackson is anything to go by.
What if your mom is a terrible cook?
Or a tree?
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 12:46:07 am
How is it not physically possible?How can it stay in shape, then? And what about things like planetary cores?
As in it wouldn't form naturally? Sure. But as in it's impossible to stay in that shape? How so?
EDIT:
What does holy taste like?Like you're drinking from a certain part of the universe itself. It's not overwhelming or anything, just different.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 12:58:00 am
Centrifugal force, Andres. :P
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 12:59:40 am
Post by: Vgray on June 22, 2015, 01:08:03 am
In that case, insert your next closest relative/friend who can cook.It tastes like your mother's cooking if Percy Jackson is anything to go by.
What if your mom is a terrible cook?
Or a tree?
Psst, Andres, you have to make healing soul-burning food and drink now.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 01:08:41 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 01:13:15 am
Psst, Andres, you have to make healing soul-burning food and drink now.??? You want me to make food and drink that heals people while burning their soul?
Post by: Vgray on June 22, 2015, 01:22:38 am
Then again, our gods don't eat. Research must be done on whether or not we have a true form that turns mortals to dust. :P
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 02:22:45 am
$$$
Price check on a metal with the physical properties of tin in the hands of non-worshippers, copper in the hands of worshippers, steel in the hands of primary worshippers, and weaboo folded-one-thousand-times katana steel in the hands of exclusive worshippers. In all cases (save the first), the user must be decently devout
Spoiler: GM Only (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 04:19:59 am
Edit: Also, won't it make non-worshiper smiths popular among worshipers, as the metal is easy to cast and very malleable to them?
Post by: Happy Demon on June 22, 2015, 05:14:51 am
What counts as 'in the hands of'? What happens if an exclusive worshiper and a non-worshiper (or any combination) grab an object made of the metal at the same time? What happens if one makes an alloy with it, which then changes hands?I'd think it takes the properties of the most powerful one (the exclusive worshipper).
Edit: Also, won't it make non-worshiper smiths popular among worshipers, as the metal is easy to cast and very malleable to them?
If it didn't, then it couldn't harm non-believers, as the blade would turn to tin when it struck.
Post by: micelus on June 22, 2015, 05:40:37 am
Andekrama, an alloy of ~75% copper and ~25% iron that exudes Conflict on magical forces. I.e, all magic (and blessings) cannot function in an area around it even if it is directly casted by a god. This is as the particles of magic become inherently unstable, fizzling out by the act of the metal. The functional radius of the metal is ~10m all though a higher concentration may increase this. It has high malleability and as such is useless as a weapon or armour.
The same as above but not applying to magic/blessings cast directly by a god.
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 05:46:58 am
Like for example, a blessing that makes someone's exerted strength increase without altering biology would make sense for it being disabled. However a blessing that alters a persons biology to superdense musclemass would not make sense for disablement. Cause it's no longer a divine force at that point.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:20:44 am
What counts as 'in the hands of'?A weapon's quality is determined by the person who wields it. A city gate's is determined by the overall faith of the city's inhabitants.
Spoiler: Example of city gates (click to show/hide)
What happens if an exclusive worshiper and a non-worshiper (or any combination) grab an object made of the metal at the same time?
I'd think it takes the properties of the most powerful one (the exclusive worshipper).This...well, kinda. If it didn't, the metal would turn as bad as tin but it won't turn into actual tin.
If it didn't, then it couldn't harm non-believers, as the blade would turn to tin when it struck.
What happens if one makes an alloy with it, which then changes hands?It gets better or worse depending on who holds it.
Edit: Also, won't it make non-worshiper smiths popular among worshipers, as the metal is easy to cast and very malleable to them?It's a magic metal that gets "better" or "worse" depending on who's using it. The tin/copper/steel/katanite comparison is just an aid. Devout smiths can work it more easily, swords made with it get sharper and lighter, alloys with the metal infused do what the alloy is supposed to do better, etcetera.
Of you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. The more detailed the description becomes, the more likely it'll do what I expect it to do.
Like for example, a blessing that makes someone's exerted strength increase without altering biology would make sense for it being disabled. However a blessing that alters a persons biology to superdense musclemass would not make sense for disablement. Cause it's no longer a divine force at that point.Actually, there is. A divine force is present and being used to alter the person's biology.
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 06:25:06 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:36:31 am
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 06:38:04 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:38:55 am
Which part of that?
If the blessing happened while the person was within the antimagic field, then it would make sense for dispelling. However if it happened outside the field, and then the person entered.
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 06:42:01 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:47:31 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 09:37:17 am
In any case, all this 'only applies to my stuff' is getting tiresome and boring, I have to say. :P
$$$
Price check on Awakening Great Beasts with a spark of Power
Price check on Whelps
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 22, 2015, 09:38:38 am
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 09:43:18 am
Somehow I don't think you do.You're being mean again.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 09:47:10 am
Saying 'I'd rather leave it at that' makes one think that you are saying that you're just going to believe what you want to believe and everyone else should just shut up.
Edit: Also I'm gonna read any 'GM-only spoilers'. You want to do something privately, send a PM. If it takes a long time, well, that's the price of secrecy.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 10:14:50 am
Not really, you're just ignoring what Kevak is saying. Dismissing it as being mean doesn't actually change anything. It's a matter of transmutation versus enchantment. If the magic has done it's work, there's nothing to dispel.No. I wasn't dismissing any of it. He was entirely right and I agreed with his reasoning. the "I'd rather leave it at that" was because it was an argument of ~8 consecutive posts between us arguing about nothing.
Saying 'I'd rather leave it at that' makes one think that you are saying that you're just going to believe what you want to believe and everyone else should just shut up.
Edit: Also I'm gonna read any 'GM-only spoilers'. You want to do something privately, send a PM. If it takes a long time, well, that's the price of secrecy.DON'T YOU DARE. You have absolutely NO right to do so just because you think I should be sending PMs. Maybe I want to change my secret actions without sending more PMs Stirk's way? Maybe I'm ok with the results being announced publicly but I don't want people knowing what I'm doing at that time? I'm going to refrain from using insults but know that my opinion of you has drastically lowered.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 10:19:55 am
If that's all it was, in reference to the argument, then I apologize.
As a sidenote, the opinion of someone on the internet concerns me ever so greatly. >.>
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 10:22:24 am
I already did. Like I said. You don't get to circumvent sending PMs to try and do you actions in secret. You want secrecy? You pay for it. Trying to, from my perspective, is cheating. You're trying to get an advantage over the rest of us through metagame actions, by getting your secret actions done faster than everyone else.Reported to the moderator for rule-breaking. Also, my secret actions are less secret than PM actions due to the results being made publicly known in the Tick.
EDIT: Turns out I got a PM detailing some stuff that happened as a result of GM Only actions but didn't show up in the Tick. Regardless, Stirk has said nothing about GM Only actions being open to everyone. (I started only after seeing how Cim did the same at two different points (the first time it was cyphered),) If you wanted to read my actions, you could've asked Stirk first. Maybe Stirk would've given me leniencey on actions made before X date. Again, you had no right to choose what I am or am not allowed to do.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 10:30:37 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 22, 2015, 10:31:05 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 22, 2015, 10:48:43 am
This place has moderators?Toady One
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 22, 2015, 11:04:58 am
This place has moderators?Toady One
Yes, but he's more like an Admin.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 11:15:13 am
Cim:-\
Post by: gman8181 on June 22, 2015, 12:10:09 pm
You were Cim. You are Cim. You shall forever be Cim.Cim:-\
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 12:11:52 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 22, 2015, 12:13:47 pm
Indeed, Icimtea. There is no escape from your past.Haha.
Andres, on another note, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop that as well. I honestly would rather not know your secret actions because it ruins the fun of the game for me. I haven't yet looked at your "private messages" but I have almost accidentally clicked on them multiple times simply because my first instinct upon seeing a spoiler is to click the spoiler :P.
It's kinda rough.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 22, 2015, 12:30:19 pm
(And also andres, I updated your sheet in my list.)
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 22, 2015, 12:58:29 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 01:16:23 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 22, 2015, 01:25:33 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 22, 2015, 01:29:18 pm
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Give a fey mood to a group of Yaag, who will work together to invent iron and steel.
And so the divinely inspired steel spreads.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 22, 2015, 01:30:15 pm
They'll invent iron, Farg? :P
I derped. I meant they find how to make stuff out of it. I'll correct right away.
Oh, and I didn't mean that you weren't doing a good job, DS. I just wanted to know if you planned to keep it updated or if you just wanted to list what already existed.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on June 22, 2015, 02:16:48 pm
Isn't that a decision for the GM to make? You know, kick someone out of a game instead of a moderator coming along, "Oh, you cheated in a ROLEPLAYING GAME! HOW DARE YOU?"
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 04:11:50 pm
Toady would be rather annoyed otherwise.
Post by: micelus on June 22, 2015, 04:56:13 pm
What's with these orcs anyway, were they made secretly?
Nope but they did just come into existence last tick. And they also happen to have every technology the dwarves ever had as well. So ya know, nothing to worry about.
Andres...reported a post for cheating... -.-
Isn't that a decision for the GM to make? You know, kick someone out of a game instead of a moderator coming along, "Oh, you cheated in a ROLEPLAYING GAME! HOW DARE YOU?"
Ooh popcorn. Do I get Influence for this?
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 05:03:01 pm
Andres, on another note, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop that as well. I honestly would rather not know your secret actions because it ruins the fun of the game for me. I haven't yet looked at your "private messages" but I have almost accidentally clicked on them multiple times simply because my first instinct upon seeing a spoiler is to click the spoiler :P.Thanks for keeping it in. If Stirk says to not do it anymore, I'll stop. If he's still ok with it, I'll think about it. Honestly, it seems to me like you're just a bit lacking in self-control but considering other people might've had the same problem, it might not be worth having them around.
It's kinda rough.
Andres...reported a post for cheating... -.-Someone posted spoilers to a recent show in the anime thread once. I reported it, Toady solved it, and he wasn't annoyed. Also, while it is certainly up to the GM to decide whether my GM Only actions can actually be considered secret or not, Rolepgeek didn't even wait to find out before looking at them. The fact that Stirk has so far supported my usage of GM Only actions plus the fact that he hasn't said anything against them means that Rolepgeek did something bad regardless of Stirk's future decision on GM Only actions.
Isn't that a decision for the GM to make? You know, kick someone out of a game instead of a moderator coming along, "Oh, you cheated in a ROLEPLAYING GAME! HOW DARE YOU?"
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 05:51:26 pm
Don't get me wrong, if Stirk is fine with or wants secret stuff to go in the public thread, I'll refrain from reading them, and might even use it. They probably make it a little easier on him. But as it is now it looks like you trying to one-up everyone else by getting your stuff done ahead of time. That's fine, and it's not like I'm gonna blab about those actions, I'm just letting you know that there is a cost for haste. You wanna get a moderator involved, fine, I don't think it's worth bothering them about but you do what you want. Until Stirk says otherwise, better to ask forgiveness than permission. In your opinion, I'm being inconsiderate, immoral, and a poor sport. In my opinion, you're being conniving, entitled, and a poor sport. That's not to say you are those things, just that that is how you appear at the moment from my perspective.
I didn't expect a positive reaction, certainly, but I also didn't expect a HOW DARE YOU, as though I'd looked into your deepest darkest secrets and told the whole world.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:15:29 pm
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:15:57 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 22, 2015, 06:20:38 pm
Andres, on another note, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop that as well. I honestly would rather not know your secret actions because it ruins the fun of the game for me. I haven't yet looked at your "private messages" but I have almost accidentally clicked on them multiple times simply because my first instinct upon seeing a spoiler is to click the spoiler :P.Thanks for keeping it in. If Stirk says to not do it anymore, I'll stop. If he's still ok with it, I'll think about it. Honestly, it seems to me like you're just a bit lacking in self-control but considering other people might've had the same problem, it might not be worth having them around.
It's kinda rough.
Not so much lack of self control as opposed to habit. Self control to me implies that I can't help but click on the spoilers because of how much I want to click on the spoilers. In actuality, it's just that I'm completely unaccustomed to people posting public spoilers that they don't want other people to be able to read. Out of habit, I always click the spoilers because most of the time they're meant to be read by anyone willing to read them and I enjoy reading what people have to say.
Anyway... not telling you what to do or anything. Just saying it's something people might end up reading even if unintentionally.
Post by: Vgray on June 22, 2015, 06:27:28 pm
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:36:10 pm
Ah, fair enough. Well, some exceptions aside I think I'll trust in the good-hearted nature of people to close the spoilers after seeing what they accidentally/mistakenly opened before they can get a good look. Assuming that Stirk continues to allow them, of course.Andres, on another note, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop that as well. I honestly would rather not know your secret actions because it ruins the fun of the game for me. I haven't yet looked at your "private messages" but I have almost accidentally clicked on them multiple times simply because my first instinct upon seeing a spoiler is to click the spoiler :P.Thanks for keeping it in. If Stirk says to not do it anymore, I'll stop. If he's still ok with it, I'll think about it. Honestly, it seems to me like you're just a bit lacking in self-control but considering other people might've had the same problem, it might not be worth having them around.
It's kinda rough.
Not so much lack of self control as opposed to habit. Self control to me implies that I can't help but click on the spoilers because of how much I want to click on the spoilers. In actuality, it's just that I'm completely unaccustomed to people posting public spoilers that they don't want other people to be able to read. Out of habit, I always click the spoilers because most of the time they're meant to be read by anyone willing to read them and I enjoy reading what people have to say.
Anyway... not telling you what to do or anything. Just saying it's something people might end up reading even if unintentionally.
Right. Staying out of the argument, do you mind that I read your last few spoilers that only say GM only not GM/Pantheon only?I would mind, actually. Your god can ask mine if he's that curious (no promise mine will reveal) but unless it's got the pantheon seal, I'm going to ask that you don't open them.
Post by: Vgray on June 22, 2015, 06:44:26 pm
You can probably guess that Uztot doesn't want to know all the details...
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 06:57:33 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 22, 2015, 08:06:56 pm
DUNGEON DAYCARE
Gotta train them to fight young.
Edit:
On a more serious note, probably won't be doing too much until I find out how much essence I have.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 08:56:59 pm
The biggest problem here is that you read the up until now secret actions without asking Stirk first. You just went and did it anyway because you felt that that's what the rule should be, despite no one saying any such thing.
Well, really, I read the most recent one. And by read, I mean I skimmed it. It didn't concern me so I didn't bother reading it further.
I think we're basically having a loose construction versus strict construction argument here. To you, it's allowed because nothing specifically disallows it. To me, it's not protected because nothing specifically protects it. We're both sorta right. We're both sorta wrong.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 09:00:59 pm
EDIT:
((GM only actions will be resolved Via PM.))
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 22, 2015, 09:05:23 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 22, 2015, 09:12:40 pm
New Kingdom seems to contain Saplings, and some Sapling Land on the Frontier, but no actual Greet Trees yet. They are marching towards them.
$$$ANSWERS LONG AND CONFUSING
Modifying Great Magic for:
Telekinesis: 3-4E
Summoning: 1-3E
Shadow Grasping: 3-4E (Discount included)
Go ahead and ask.
So I'm assuming the dwarves have never written down their knowledge of metalcrafting?
Presumably. They still don't really have much to write on, and it is easier to keep secret without writing it down.
$$$ANSWERS CONTINUED
Nightmare preventing chitin moon: Depends on mechanism.
Immortal Citin Balls: 9-11E
Telekinesis: 4-5E (Discount included)
Ant Rate Up: 7-8E (Will lower Worship Quality significantly)
All Beta Ants: 3-5E
Double All Ant Lifespans: 4-6E
Warding Magic: 4-5E (Discount included)
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Stirk, the Writhes would survive fine in the Divine Library right? Or would they need to be adapted to survive in non-space environments?
Theoretically, they can survive in the Divine Library the same as the other races.
$$$ANSWER DAY 2
Power Progress: As many as you want to spend. Higher amount equals greater effect. Very high chance of Silly and/or Horrible consequences if abused. May or may not have already been done.
Did the anti-divine enchatment of crowns do anything when crownbearers were teleported into Dungeon?
I can't answer that, or questions like that. Sorry, but that would give you a hint at the mechanism that was used.
That suggestion game I checked interest for is out: Prophet of Cim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151414.0)
Plug acknowledged. Do you think it will be dead by the time I get the next OOC post?
$$$
PRICECHECK:
Pricecheck on a race of sapient spiders, sized like dogs, who are able to weave more space into small locations (1m+ per day). They are prone at weaving and can't see well during bright sunlight. They have a diet of fungi and meat.
Already done, but I think you missed it.
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Although it's secret, not sacred, Stirk. :P Though they both fit.
I paraphrased the whole thing. The real lyrics where "
Well I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?"
Which would make no sense. Apparently I was close enough for everyone to get it, which was the real goal.
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I didn't know which part of that line was the reference. Apparently it was all a reference. I now know that references are allowed....
......If this goes wrong, I start shooting.
I don't recall, but we can't cancel actions once they've been publicly countered right?
You may cancel an action at any time before I process it, for any reason. Publicly countered actions have already been pulled multiple times.
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Stirk, clarification request, are the dwarves just too incompetent to do group casting? Because I meant for group casting to be possible. I might have to use some essence to fix that if group casting isn't possible currently.
It is currently possible, and does well when not used to often. The problem is trying to use a Strong magic for literally everything. It is just that if a single dwarf has 10 "points" of life/memories to use (Not actual mechanics, just here for description), and ten dwarves work together, they still only have about a 100 points between them. It doesn't do much to prevent them from all burning out.
Cim made a thing. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151414.0)
Cim is a fictional character :-\.
I was wondering if I could have my priests perform Artistic rituals on medallions. The rituals would make the medallions holy to me (thus strengthening their souls), increasing the power of Divine Art (when using my spheres), and allowing me to tap into their souls. Said soul-tapping will be limited to letting me use Art without divine energy by using the souls of the medallion-wearers. I can only draw until the wearer is at 20% progress to soul-burnout, at which point I stop being able to do so until it's less than 20% again.
Knowledge of Art and the relevant disciplines would be necessary to create these medallions, but otherwise it's possibly that any god could make similar ones.
Would creating the above system be free, all things considered, or would I have to spend Essence on creating the system?
Maybe. I won't stop you from trying.
Hey Stirk, maybe you should institute a player cap now. Maybe have it be the current player count?
Capz r 4 n00bz.
$$$AFTERLIVES
Vault of Quintessence: 4-5E
Vault of Bliss: 4-5E
Vault of Mire: 4-5E
You get a group discount if you make more then one, performing all three at once would only cost 6-7E at once.
Vault of Rectification: 5-6E
Total group: 7-8E
Hey, what are the rules for referencing outside works and leaning on/breaking the fourth wall? I've got a few ideas that would go further in those two things than what I've done so far, but KJP would never have allowed them in the original YG.
Case by case. Dream God could probably get away with it, as long as it isn't too much. If you want to run the general idea behind me, that is fine.
Demonic Spoon: Thanks for the lists! I had put them in the OP as soon as I saw them.
Did you know there's a modified sand cotton in the world? It grows really well in wounds.
It would be a shame if the battlefield got some of those seeds in them.
Most of the fighting was done with Power-Born. Aside from that, the fighting took place far away from a desert where Sand-cotton would be found.
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Does using Art decrease the energy cost of me doing stuff?
You have never successfully performed Art so far.
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Except that I explicitly specified that sacrifices can be used to power portal magic? ??? Why shouldn't I assume its possible to use sacrifices, since that's how I designed it?
I more meant don't expect its power to be the same. We will probably see some impressive, unrepeatable magic use that you should not assume the average user can do in the same way.
At this rate my posts are going to be bigger than the tick updates.
Mine are getting bigger too :-\.
So Stirk, am I receiving any Influence from all the Conflicts in the game or is it still too little?
You are receiving Influence from everything from traders arguing over price to all the war. The Conflict is getting you a great amount of Influence, enough for Essence.
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I don't remember seeing stirk ever mentioning that anything is on a different fragment from another one, so I kinda assumed everyone is on the same one. We really should give them a name at some point. I might be completely wrong, though.
Most races and Kingdoms are on different Fragments. The Great Tribe is large enough to have cities on every Fragment.
$$$ANSWER
Copreal Demension: Hmmm....Didn't we do this already? (???)
Big stick that gets bigger: (???) (Such a high-tech and strange weapon requires IC research to even know if it is possible.)
Bigger Stick that Becomes Biggest: Vetoed for being OP.
Bony Eaters: 5E (Assuming Default) for 10K.
!!!!IMPORTANT NOTE!!!!
Generally, if someone doesn't specify anything, it becomes "Default". For example, since I didn't get any information on the Dwarves or Orcs, they are Default Races. Default races are basically human-level at everything mechanically, simply having different appearance, culture, etc. Skills, intelligence, lifespan, and such are all human-level. If you just say "I wanna make an elf!", then I have no clue what an "Elf" is, it could mean anything from "Those things Santa has" to "The LoTR guys" to "Those original Fokelore Fae", so I just say "Whatever. Its Default in my book."
Inventing chains: Free for the God of Binding.
Elves: 5E for 10k (Default)
Forcing all Humans to get Canabalistic urges: (? ? ?) (Depends on things like the amount of Humans)
Ohh, goody, it's that day I ignore my douchebag dad like every single other day. Regardless of cultural obligations to interact with him on this specific day.
Ain't you fun on holidays~. While we are sharing, my Mom was out of town so we did most of the stuff for Father's day earlier. My family went shooting, a hobby I always shared with my dad. He brought out my Great-Grandfathers M1 that he used in WWII and we fired a few round from it. He talked about how he had inherited it, and how I would inherit it one day the same way he did, and everyone had a good time.
Isn't Father's Day in November? At least in my calendar it is. Also grumble grumble celebration borne of commercialism not tradition grumble grumble.
By the way, price checks use the three dollar signs because that way the GM can just throw them into the search bar and read all new ones at once. Using different currency symbols defeats the point, really.
Proud Capitalist don't care about what caused holidays! Anyway, there is like five countries where it is in November. In the USA, it was yesterday. I mostly look for my own, so I don't care in particular what they did as long as I can see it when I am doing OOC.
Familiars: Can't be done for free, can be added in for a handful of essence.
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I don't know what you want in an Angel Andres! Like I said, we don't have a template, which means I don't even have a Default to do when you don't explain things. If you want to just say "Make an Angel with X boost", I have to at least know what an Angel is without that boost. The blood thing would be an ability that could be added, but would not be free.
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What does holy taste like?
Wine-covered bread.
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Metal: 1-2E (Discounts included). You still need to teach them how to actually use it, this would only create the metal in the ground.
GM only: 5E for 10K, assuming it only calls.
Andekrama: 10-11E
Non-God blocking Andekrama: 7-8E (Not 100% perfect)
Awakening Great Beasts with power (? ? ?) (Might have horrible/silly consequences even if it doesn't work.)
Whelps: Did I already price check these? If not, what are they?
GM Only fight: Oy vey II
Generally, while I appreciate the effort in reducing the amount of effort I have to put out, it still has much of the same problems that Icy's attempt had and keeps most of the problems of having to do PM's anyway. I have been treating them as PMs the best I could anyway. I think I would prefer you go back to PMs, since this seems to be more trouble then its worth.
Calling Toady on this is a bit silly :-\.
Since I didn't have any rules for it, and if he *really* wanted to he could have read it without saying anything like everyone else did, it really isn't appropriate to punish him for it. There isn't much I can do anyway, not that would be appropriate for "Reading his GM only things", unless you want me to give you his PMs to make it fair :-\.
Andres...reported a post for cheating... -.-
Isn't that a decision for the GM to make? You know, kick someone out of a game instead of a moderator coming along, "Oh, you cheated in a ROLEPLAYING GAME! HOW DARE YOU?"
Yes, I am fully capable of reigning in my own players without taking time away from poor Toady. Isn't it bad enough I have to take my own time for it? The most he would do is lock this for you guys all fighting over it.
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Nope but they did just come into existence last tick. And they also happen to have every technology the dwarves ever had as well. So ya know, nothing to worry about.
The CRDs have, at least...
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Ooh popcorn. Do I get Influence for this?
You don't need the encouragement.
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On a more serious note, probably won't be doing too much until I find out how much essence I have.
I will try to get Income later today. I will probably get next tick tomorrow, this OOc took forever.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 09:52:03 pm
You have never successfully performed Art so far.Science beckons!
$$$ANSWERNeither 'corporeal dimension' nor 'corporeal dimensions' in the search bar turned up anything. We did planets, stars, and incorporeal dimensions to my knowledge.
Copreal Demension: Hmmm....Didn't we do this already? (???)
Forcing all Humans to get Canabalistic urges: (? ? ?) (Depends on things like the amount of Humans)I believe he meant all current Humans. We don't exactly have knowledge of their numbers so we can't ask for a price check concerning them all by using absolute numbers.
I don't know what you want in an Angel Andres! Like I said, we don't have a template, which means I don't even have a Default to do when you don't explain things. If you want to just say "Make an Angel with X boost", I have to at least know what an Angel is without that boost. The blood thing would be an ability that could be added, but would not be free.Ah, I thought we'd decided to use the Ye Gods template for here (you price checked one at 4E for this game). For future reference, the template I'll always use when discussing them is the Ye Gods template.
So can the angel I made be how I wanted it to be like? I won't ask for retcons but I did already put the Essence into it.
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GM only: 5E for 10K, assuming it only calls.
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Price check if it grabs and consumes
Price check if it siren sings and consumes
Since I didn't have any rules for it, and if he *really* wanted to he could have read it without saying anything like everyone else did, it really isn't appropriate to punish him for it. There isn't much I can do anyway, not that would be appropriate for "Reading his GM only things", unless you want me to give you his PMs to make it fair :-\.The only thing I'll ask for is that the GM and GM/Pantheon Only stuff I've made up until now remain secret by GM say-so.
Yes, I am fully capable of reigning in my own players without taking time away from poor Toady. Isn't it bad enough I have to take my own time for it? The most he would do is lock this for you guys all fighting over it.Considering it was two guys out of twenty players and the issue's been resolved, I doubt Toady would lock the thread.
I will try to get Income later today. I will probably get next tick tomorrow, this OOc took forever.How long did the OOC take, for curiosity's sake?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 22, 2015, 09:54:43 pm
Do I get a discount on actions that improve a species like I did earlier from my progress aspect?
Post by: Stirk on June 22, 2015, 10:04:50 pm
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Ah, I thought we'd decided to use the Ye Gods template for here (you price checked one at 4E for this game). For future reference, the template I'll always use when discussing them is the Ye Gods template.
So can the angel I made be how I wanted it to be like? I won't ask for retcons but I did already put the Essence into it.
I specifically said that creations from Ye God where BANNED, , which goes double for the Angel Template. The price (Which was 4-7E) was simply to give Lemonpie the general idea what his Angel would be, NOT to actually be made.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 10:08:25 pm
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 10:16:59 pm
*Flight
*Can teleport to some precision (near/above/somewhere in the city as opposed to inside a specific building, as was the goal) and between dimensions (same way gods can)
*God-aligned
*Holy to god and god's spheres
*Mental link with god
*Mind, body, and soul is as powerful as four Humans put together
*Sapient
*Sphere-based special abilities (mine can use soul/blood sense, for example)
*Can change physical form
EDIT: Sorry for double post. Meant to copy this into previous post.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 10:56:58 pm
$$$
Whelps would be basically partially animalistic humanoids with their animal-like features greatly dependent on the Great Beast they ride along with. They're basically nomads living in a symbiotic relationship with the Great Beasts. Now I'm questioning whether or not those Great Beasts should be Awakened for it...ah, so, basically, their traits depend partly on the animal they're based on (snake-whelps would be more agile and probably have a long neck and poisonous fangs, hawk-whelps could probably glide or fly for short(?) periods of time and have great vision, and boar-whelps is a cool dude who doesn't afraid of anything), but they're also usually shorter-lived than humans, faster(usually; tortoise-whelps probably aren't), heal more quickly, breed fairly quickly, and somewhat more emotional/instinctual than rational/logical in the way they think. They're aren't actually dumber, just...dumber. They'd rather trust their gut feeling and tradition than fancy convoluted logic chains. Not to say they can't put two and two together, of course.
How many Saplings are there? How many non-Sapling, non-Polyp followers do I have? How advanced is Sapling society? How well do they seem to be getting along? What are their standards of living? And how well do they get along with the other races?
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 11:15:04 pm
New angel templateBy this template, Aurosseu has literally thousands upon thousands of Angels. 'As powerful as four humans' is not really all that powerful.
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 11:16:25 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 11:22:07 pm
Does it mean as in total combat ability? Or is non-combat ability included? If something is four times as strong and four times as fast, that's quite a bit more than four times as powerful, after all. Does it mean in terms of magical ability?
Post by: Stirk on June 22, 2015, 11:31:28 pm
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 11:31:59 pm
How? What creatures are like the angel template?New angel templateBy this template, Aurosseu has literally thousands upon thousands of Angels. 'As powerful as four humans' is not really all that powerful.
Nilva has quite a few as well based on that template. Not a full spectrum of listed abilities, but most of them and then some.How? What creatures are like the angel template?
It's also a very strange unit of measurement.Say you have four humans. If you concentrated all their arm muscles into a single separate arm, that's how strong the angel would be. (Minus the extra weight.) As for magical ability, I have no idea. It would work on the same principle as the arm muscle principle but I'm not sure how that would work with magic. What I definitely do know is this: if an average Human has 100 mana, the angel would at least have 400 mana.
Does it mean as in total combat ability? Or is non-combat ability included? If something is four times as strong and four times as fast, that's quite a bit more than four times as powerful, after all. Does it mean in terms of magical ability?
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 11:40:58 pm
Let's check for sure if the creatures fit the template: Flight? Check. Teleportation? Check. Cross-dimension teleportation? Check. God-aligned? Check. Holy? Check. Mental link? Check. As powerful as 4 humans? More powerful, actually. Sapient? Close enough. Sphere-based special abilities? Check. Shapeshifting? Check.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 11:44:58 pm
Let's check for sure if the creatures fit the template: Flight? Check. Teleportation? Check. Cross-dimension teleportation? Check. God-aligned? Check. Holy? Check. Mental link? Check. As powerful as 4 humans? More powerful, actually. Sapient? Close enough. Sphere-based special abilities? Check. Shapeshifting? Check.Well let's make it so that angels are like you described except they're sapient and have the same level of power, holiness, and sphere-based special abilities of 3E worth of those creatures fused into a singular being.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 11:46:09 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 22, 2015, 11:46:56 pm
Flight? Check. Teleportation. No, wouldn't be hard to add though. Cross-dimension teleportation? Refer to previous. God-aligned? Check. Holy? Define Holy. Mental link? Check. As powerful as 4 humans? Way more powerful. Sapient? Most yes. Sphere-based special abilities? Check. Shapeshifting? Check.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 22, 2015, 11:51:12 pm
So I suppose Great Trees aren't really angels after all, hmmmm.
Post by: Andres on June 22, 2015, 11:56:17 pm
So the equivalent of about 6000 or so Humans, I'm guessing?Probably not, considering that non-power-related stuff also goes into the angel's 3E cost.
Well, for me, Flight's a no, teleportation's a no, God-aligned is probably, Holy is essentially, Mental link is sorta, as powerful as 4 humans is ridiculously low comapred to them, Sapient is yeah, Sphere-based abilities is yeah more or less with more on the way, and Shapeshifting is a no.lol'd
So I suppose Great Trees aren't really angels after all, hmmmm.
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Price check on a sapient, winged lizard that can breathe fire. It is the size of that big one on the furthest right (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141124174534/lotr/images/7/70/1401907026475.jpg)
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 23, 2015, 12:02:23 am
By the way, how exactly did/do angels work? I figure that's more down my alley than all this race/world creating nonsense.Create powerful, immortal beings that serve you. That's about it. They can be pretty much any shape or form, have any powers you can afford, and be as loyal as you want them to, though less loyal ones seemed to be slightly more powerful than more servant-like ones in YG. Using angels, you can get things done without paying (as much) resources. If mortals worship your angels, you get the resources unless you decide otherwise.
Post by: Vgray on June 23, 2015, 12:04:11 am
On an unrelated note, I don't think I want to be an invading soldier who has to deal with angry Hearth Spirits.
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 12:08:56 am
*Flight
*Can teleport to some precision (near/above/somewhere in the city as opposed to inside a specific building, as was the goal) and between dimensions (same way gods can)
*God-aligned
*Holy to god and god's spheres
*Mental link with god
*Sapient
*Sphere-based special abilities (among others abilities, mine can use soul/blood sense, for example)
*Can change physical form
*Immortal
*Can switch from corporeal to incorporeal at will (though not instantly)
*Worship that goes to them goes to their god
*The remainder of their 3E price will go to granting them power several times greater than a Human's
If either of you two have spirits, I think you're cheating on the flight count.The CRD invaded Human settlements with Hearth Spirits in them and nothing happened. Honestly kinda surprised that the Hearth Spirits didn't form enough of a kinship with their Human hosts that they'd help in their defence but there was probably a reason.
On an unrelated note, I don't think I want to be an invading soldier who has to deal with angry Hearth Spirits.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 23, 2015, 12:16:39 am
Post by: Vgray on June 23, 2015, 12:21:39 am
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 12:24:05 am
Now that works better, primarily for the arbitrary minimum price affecting power level.:D
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Price check so that if someone drinks only from the blood of a combat-enhanced angel (this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320519#msg6320519) template plus 2E to increase power and skill) for a week (they'll survive because it's angel blood), that person has their lifespan doubled and also becomes combat-enhanced. This is a non-inheritable upgrade, meaning the person's children won't be combat-enhanced
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 12:29:47 am
I figure either Dwarven Hearths are better(and many typical depictions of dwarves have them placing a greater emphasis on family), or they did fight and were just defeated too, and there weren't enough of them to mention it.On an unrelated note, I don't think I want to be an invading soldier who has to deal with angry Hearth Spirits.The CRD invaded Human settlements with Hearth Spirits in them and nothing happened. Honestly kinda surprised that the Hearth Spirits didn't form enough of a kinship with their Human hosts that they'd help in their defence but there was probably a reason.
Post by: ~Neri on June 23, 2015, 12:32:34 am
Is shamanism already a thing that exists?It's in development, talk to Happy Demon, he's the main one working on it.
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 01:50:13 am
Price check on giving myself a soul, assuming I don't have one
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 23, 2015, 05:49:45 am
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Ant Rate Up: 7-8E (Will lower Worship Quality significantly)Why will it lower worship quality? Any way to counteract the decrease in quality?
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Immortal Citin Balls: 9-11EThis is somewhat higher than I expected. Is there any one factor that is particularly causing the high price? Or is just a combination of the "all the things!" that I did. I guess I can cut out some stuff to make them more affordable...
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 09:13:44 am
Eh, I just called it Shamanism for ease of reference. But since there's no template for it, it would just be standard.Is shamanism already a thing that exists?It's in development, talk to Happy Demon, he's the main one working on it.
So I should maybe change the naming to something descriptive.
How about: Spirit based elemental magic?
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Actually, I need to check the price for a race I've planned. As the amount of differences from humans would likely cause a >10E cost.
Spoiler: Bony Creatures (click to show/hide)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 23, 2015, 11:38:33 am
Most limitations is due to Skolld's inexperience in creating life.
So you wouldn't be against me making them geniuses? Also, at first I read their name as Bunny creatures :P
What's the difference between a corporeal dimension and an incorporeal one? I need to know the specifics. Can you put stuff in an incorporeal dimension? Can anyone get inside? If not, what's the point in having a dimension that can't be accessed by anything? I'd assume a god couldn't enter either. Would that be a spirit only place? Can a god enter a spirit only place?
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 11:49:37 am
Yeah... the thing about that.Most limitations is due to Skolld's inexperience in creating life.
So you wouldn't be against me making them geniuses? Also, at first I read their name as Bunny creatures :P
What's the difference between a corporeal dimension and an incorporeal one? I need to know the specifics. Can you put stuff in an incorporeal dimension? Can anyone get inside? If not, what's the point in having a dimension that can't be accessed by anything? I'd assume a god couldn't enter either. Would that be a spirit only place? Can a god enter a spirit only place?
If you modify them, Skolld would be greatly offended.
It's like he's standing with a ball he just made, and you yanked it out of his hands, and started changing it to your liking.
Even if you did the most amazing thing in the world and returned it, he would still be offended you took it from him.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 11:50:58 am
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 12:08:17 pm
What would be the equivalent of throwing a dart into the ball or splattering it with paint without taking it out of his hands, then?Equivalent of throwing a dart in it? That would be secretly extermination of the Bony Creatures. Which would offend him even more.
Equivalent of splattering pain on it? That would be secretly changing the Bony Creatures.
Not taking the ball is just that you do it secretly.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 12:10:43 pm
I mean, the ball's not being taken, after all. And maybe he'll end up liking it better this color.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 12:44:37 pm
So he'd rather that happen, then?If anything, he'd like it less. As he'd still be offended that you did it.
I mean, the ball's not being taken, after all. And maybe he'll end up liking it better this color.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 12:48:08 pm
Except maybe painting the wall you're trying to play wallball on by making really big predators that like to crunch bones.
What? I don't need no stinkin' kids throwing their balls around in my garden. They'll muss up the flowers.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 12:53:44 pm
Well then I don't know how to make you happy then.You're missing one VERY important detail. You never mention asking.
Except maybe painting the wall you're trying to play wallball on by making really big predators that like to crunch bones.
What? I don't need no stinkin' kids throwing their balls around in my garden. They'll muss up the flowers.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 23, 2015, 01:04:20 pm
Well then I don't know how to make you happy then.You're missing one VERY important detail. You never mention asking.
Except maybe painting the wall you're trying to play wallball on by making really big predators that like to crunch bones.
What? I don't need no stinkin' kids throwing their balls around in my garden. They'll muss up the flowers.
So if I ask nicely you'll be okay with it?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 01:08:35 pm
You never asked, You're just throwing the ball at people's stuff instead. :P
I like this analogy.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 01:12:09 pm
You're makin' creatures that eat other sentient beings.Didn't I say the Bony Creatures eat from the modified Sand Cotton?
You never asked, You're just throwing the ball at people's stuff instead. :P
I like this analogy.
Well, how would your god feel if his/her entire creation, every single individual, was modified without asking?Well then I don't know how to make you happy then.You're missing one VERY important detail. You never mention asking.
Except maybe painting the wall you're trying to play wallball on by making really big predators that like to crunch bones.
What? I don't need no stinkin' kids throwing their balls around in my garden. They'll muss up the flowers.
So if I ask nicely you'll be okay with it?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 01:19:30 pm
If they just eat cotton I ain't gunna bother 'em none.
My creations might anyway, but that's not my fault, nor is it likely. Great Beasts are usually easy to see coming. :P
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 23, 2015, 01:26:16 pm
You're makin' creatures that eat other sentient beings.Didn't I say the Bony Creatures eat from the modified Sand Cotton?
You never asked, You're just throwing the ball at people's stuff instead. :P
I like this analogy.Well, how would your god feel if his/her entire creation, every single individual, was modified without asking?Well then I don't know how to make you happy then.You're missing one VERY important detail. You never mention asking.
Except maybe painting the wall you're trying to play wallball on by making really big predators that like to crunch bones.
What? I don't need no stinkin' kids throwing their balls around in my garden. They'll muss up the flowers.
So if I ask nicely you'll be okay with it?
I was planning to ask from the beginning honestly. But you're right, considering what happened with Patronius. I just wanted to know whenever your god would see my action as an insult or if he'd be fine with me making them smarter, after asking, of course.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 01:39:19 pm
Then again, Skolld hasn't made them yet, and maybe he never will.
Post by: Stirk on June 23, 2015, 05:05:18 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 23, 2015, 05:07:46 pm
Eight pages 0_0. This may take me a bit to get through.
Feeling like retracting that promise of daily update officialy yet?
Post by: Stirk on June 23, 2015, 05:11:53 pm
Eight pages 0_0. This may take me a bit to get through.
Feeling like retracting that promise of daily update officialy yet?
It was never a promise. It was a dirty lie, and you all knew that. You should all know by now that you can't trust a word I say.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 05:16:10 pm
Well, if my price check is too much of a hassle, disregard it and work on other stuff.Eight pages 0_0. This may take me a bit to get through.
Feeling like retracting that promise of daily update officialy yet?
It was never a promise. It was a dirty lie, and you all knew that. You should all know by now that you can't trust a word I say.
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 23, 2015, 05:17:00 pm
Eight pages 0_0. This may take me a bit to get through.
Feeling like retracting that promise of daily update officialy yet?
It was never a promise. It was a dirty lie, and you all knew that. You should all know by now that you can't trust a word I say.
I shall keep that phrase forever, to autowarn people of how fun you are.
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 05:20:18 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 23, 2015, 05:21:14 pm
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 05:37:41 pm
Spoiler: Iliseth Dragons (click to show/hide)
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How many Iliseth Dragons can I make with 5E? Would I get the same amount of Essence income from making 5E worth of Humans? How many would I need to get the same income if they were aligned to me?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 07:03:53 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 23, 2015, 07:07:36 pm
Post by: Quartz_Mace on June 23, 2015, 08:06:23 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 23, 2015, 09:11:58 pm
Alright! Last tick's calc is up! Now I just have to finish the rest of the stuff that built up! This will probably mean I will have to release the tick tomorrow. If you want to know how much energy you had before burning it all, go ahead and check.
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 09:39:45 pm
Assuming I want 10k Humans: "I make 5E worth of Humans."
Assuming I want 12k Humans and the discount takes away 1E: "I make 5E worth of Humans (discount included)."
Post by: gman8181 on June 23, 2015, 09:58:28 pm
*Sigh*
Alright! Last tick's calc is up! Now I just have to finish the rest of the stuff that built up! This will probably mean I will have to release the tick tomorrow. If you want to know how much energy you had before burning it all, go ahead and check.
I salute you for your tenacity.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 23, 2015, 10:49:04 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I updated the post in which I made them to include the drawing. If you don't mind updating it DS, here's the link for convenience: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785)
Post by: ~Neri on June 23, 2015, 10:50:32 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 23, 2015, 10:57:37 pm
I finally got around to draw the Yaag. Here's what they are supposed to look like:Welp, guess I'm going to have to wipe out the Yaag.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I updated the post in which I made them to include the drawing. If you don't mind updating it DS, here's the link for convenience: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785)
And everyone around them
and the planet fragments they stand on
and the sun that gave them warmth
and the reality that allowed them to exist
and these forums for allowing spider-people
and the internet for harboring this cesspool of arthropodic abominations
Post by: Andres on June 23, 2015, 11:17:54 pm
Could be worse. Could be the 40k catgirl equivalent. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk)I finally got around to draw the Yaag. Here's what they are supposed to look like:Welp, guess I'm going to have to wipe out the Yaag.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I updated the post in which I made them to include the drawing. If you don't mind updating it DS, here's the link for convenience: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785)
And everyone around them
and the planet fragments they stand on
and the sun that gave them warmth
and the reality that allowed them to exist
and these forums for allowing spider-people
and the internet for harboring this cesspool of arthropodic abominations
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 23, 2015, 11:28:03 pm
They're abominations
They're like your brethren
You could only be closer if you were Xantalos.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 23, 2015, 11:31:52 pm
Eh, it's a bit too drawn out, ruins the joke.Could be worse. Could be the 40k catgirl equivalent. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk)I finally got around to draw the Yaag. Here's what they are supposed to look like:Welp, guess I'm going to have to wipe out the Yaag.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I updated the post in which I made them to include the drawing. If you don't mind updating it DS, here's the link for convenience: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785)
And everyone around them
and the planet fragments they stand on
and the sun that gave them warmth
and the reality that allowed them to exist
and these forums for allowing spider-people
and the internet for harboring this cesspool of arthropodic abominations
Post by: Stirk on June 23, 2015, 11:52:37 pm
I finally got around to draw the Yaag. Here's what they are supposed to look like:Welp, guess I'm going to have to wipe out the Yaag.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I updated the post in which I made them to include the drawing. If you don't mind updating it DS, here's the link for convenience: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6308785#msg6308785)
And everyone around them
and the planet fragments they stand on
and the sun that gave them warmth
and the reality that allowed them to exist
and these forums for allowing spider-people
and the internet for harboring this cesspool of arthropodic abominations
Weren't you going to do that anyway?
Anyway, I started the tick and will have it up tomorrow when I can finish it. I think I said this already, but just wanted to confirm.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 24, 2015, 01:27:25 am
Post by: Andres on June 24, 2015, 05:45:28 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 24, 2015, 09:28:59 pm
Also, I'm totally calling it, that Human Artist guy is going to accidentally create Powerpuff girls. Except with Blood.
...this will not turn out very well...
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 24, 2015, 09:38:26 pm
If the two portals thing works and the portals don't take up ludicrous amounts of energy, put the lower one at the base of a funnel or other conic thing, and put the other one above/near some water wheel(s) that allow the water to drain into the funnel. It won't be perfectly efficient, probably, but hey. Free energy. Sorta.
Post by: Andres on June 24, 2015, 11:13:54 pm
Iliseth attempts to make an Angel for cheap and fails. This negates the ITH actions, unless she did that herself.How did this fail? Most of the powers present in the angel template (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320519#msg6320519) are present in (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320285#msg6320285) a race (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320383#msg6320383) numbering in the thousands. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320448#msg6320448)
$$$
Price check on an angel going by this template (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6320519#msg6320519) except it's only as a powerful as a Human
I still say I wouldn't have spent 2E giving shinies before asking if they want shinies after saying I'll only ask if they want shinies but whatever. It's not like it'll kill me or anything.
How many gods would need to be in the pantheon for me to get a discount on 1E, 2E, and 3E actions? (Asking for those because that's how much most of my non-major actions cost.)
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 25, 2015, 12:36:34 am
How did this fail? Most of the powers present in the angel template are present in a race numbering in the thousands.Two words: aligned sphere. The original cost was 2-3E / 100 individuals. Aurosseu propagated them later on.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 25, 2015, 12:37:23 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 25, 2015, 12:39:17 am
Wanna help me make a type of magic related to teleportation/portals?
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 25, 2015, 12:39:56 am
Hey IzgamloYes. Details?
Wanna help me make a type of magic related to teleportation/portals?
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 12:44:14 am
Two words: aligned sphere. The original cost was 2-3E / 100 individuals. Aurosseu propagated them later on.So 1-2E for 50 individuals, individuals which you said were each many more times powerful than Humans. I still see no reason why an angel wasn't made.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 25, 2015, 12:58:00 am
Also, when creating his Angel, Aurosseu added a little somethin'-somethin' that you're overlooking. I'm not sure if that is the exact reason the creation failed, but I would recommend figuring out what I mean.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 01:02:51 am
Because you're being a cheapskate.Not you too. :'(
Aurosseu had multiple reasons for a reduced price, Iliseth doesn't.Is Aurosseu willing to help Iliseth with angel-creation?
Also, when creating his Angel, Aurosseu added a little somethin'-somethin' that you're overlooking. I'm not sure if that is the exact reason the creation failed, but I would recommend figuring out what I mean.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 25, 2015, 01:07:56 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 25, 2015, 01:13:44 am
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Another series of Holes seems to have been ripped in reality! More Nothing is exchanged through the portal at a rate greater then even before.Serious talk for a moment, that wasn't me. Not that it was me the previous time either of course. >_> Someone might want to investigate that.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 02:27:42 am
"Most livestock isn't sapient."
"Most."Wut
I tried and failed the first time around.QuoteAnother series of Holes seems to have been ripped in reality! More Nothing is exchanged through the portal at a rate greater then even before.Serious talk for a moment, that wasn't me. Not that it was me the previous time either of course. >_> Someone might want to investigate that.
Post by: ~Neri on June 25, 2015, 02:33:35 am
It's a secret~"Most livestock isn't sapient.""Most."WutI tried and failed the first time around.QuoteAnother series of Holes seems to have been ripped in reality! More Nothing is exchanged through the portal at a rate greater then even before.Serious talk for a moment, that wasn't me. Not that it was me the previous time either of course. >_> Someone might want to investigate that.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 04:29:54 am
Post by: flame99 on June 25, 2015, 05:49:22 am
Spoiler: Khalira, Lady of Sky and Sea (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 05:51:39 am
Post by: flame99 on June 25, 2015, 05:52:34 am
We have one star and it's in the shape of a rod. You have no followers yet. Besides these two things, welcome to Litany of the Void!Missed the first one, will fix. The second was meant for once she gets followers; for obvious reasons those closer to the oceans are more likely to worship her.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 05:53:26 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 25, 2015, 06:05:24 am
We have one star and it's in the shape of a rod. You have no followers yet. Besides these two things, welcome to Litany of the Void! (I'm not the GM. I'm just saying hi.)Watcha talking about? We have plenty of stars.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 06:23:08 am
We have asteroids that look like stars?We have one star and it's in the shape of a rod. You have no followers yet. Besides these two things, welcome to Litany of the Void! (I'm not the GM. I'm just saying hi.)Watcha talking about? We have plenty of stars.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on June 25, 2015, 07:06:46 am
And the constellations Stellarion made.We have asteroids that look like stars?We have one star and it's in the shape of a rod. You have no followers yet. Besides these two things, welcome to Litany of the Void! (I'm not the GM. I'm just saying hi.)Watcha talking about? We have plenty of stars.
Post by: Andres on June 25, 2015, 07:43:58 am
Ah, didn't notice that in your encyclopaedia because it wasn't spoilered.And the constellations Stellarion made.We have asteroids that look like stars?We have one star and it's in the shape of a rod. You have no followers yet. Besides these two things, welcome to Litany of the Void! (I'm not the GM. I'm just saying hi.)Watcha talking about? We have plenty of stars.
Post by: Stirk on June 25, 2015, 07:45:30 am
I'll be joining, thanks to the incessant badgering of someone (glares at Kevak :P)Spoiler: Khalira, Lady of Sky and Sea (click to show/hide)
Accepted, go ahead and start whenever.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 25, 2015, 04:52:53 pm
I'll be joining, thanks to the incessant badgering of someone (glares at Kevak :P)Spoiler: Khalira, Lady of Sky and Sea (click to show/hide)
Added you to the character list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Good luck, you might need it. :P
Edit: Demonic Spoon, can you add Dr. Mangler(a Maag) to the list of immortals? I guess his existence is public now.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 26, 2015, 10:30:10 am
Post by: Stirk on June 26, 2015, 05:06:29 pm
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 05:08:51 pm
All right, I will try to get Income Calc up later today. Not a lot has happened, so I think I can safely let tick 15 continue. I may spend the time I would have spent on the tick beginning to work on OOC/PMs.I'd personally prefer the PMs be done first. (I'm saying this merely as a player casting a vote.)
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 05:14:05 pm
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 05:44:12 pm
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 07:45:52 pm
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Human Hunter: Ah, it is like the Sky is bleeding! THANK YOU MY BLOOD GOD!
Remember this guy? I meant to ask at the time, why do I get all the (singular) nuts when there are two blood gods?
Post by: DreamerGhost on June 26, 2015, 07:48:34 pm
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 07:50:23 pm
Indeed, especially since Iliseth would actually appreciate the "blood for the blood god" types. It's like the shadow-covered armour and the glowing red eyes of doom didn't hint at that at all.QuoteHuman Hunter: Ah, it is like the Sky is bleeding! THANK YOU MY BLOOD GOD!
Remember this guy? I meant to ask at the time, why do I get all the (singular) nuts when there are two blood gods?
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 07:59:10 pm
One god of blood is not doing a whole lot of bloody things.I haven't exactly been doing much with literal blood either...
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 08:10:51 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 08:52:11 pm
Let's see... we've got:
God of Blood and Souls, God of Conflict, God of Life and Death, God of Monsters and Nightmares, God of Binding and Bone, God of Destruction...
I think those are all the gods whose spheres could be considered "scary". Out of all of them, I'd probably say the God of Destruction is the "scariest" and he's mostly just an old cranky man.
Not that I'm one to talk. My character is the God of Chaos and he goes around wearing a party hat and bright colors most of the time.
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 08:55:02 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 26, 2015, 08:57:50 pm
And Nilva appears to be an ambiguously gendered teenager with hip length rainbow hair, rainbow eyes, wolf ears, and a wolf tail. Although she/he does technically have fangs and claws.And she terrorizes people by binding them against their will, with pink ribbons that have eyes on them.
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 08:58:50 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 26, 2015, 08:59:20 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 09:00:05 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 26, 2015, 09:01:16 pm
The Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 09:01:42 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 26, 2015, 09:44:42 pm
The Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
HMM I WONDER
:P
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 09:50:02 pm
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 10:00:24 pm
To be fair. Iliseth has been acting like an immature teenage girl for the majority of her existence. She doesn't really come across as a Blood for The Blood God kind of person.Blood for the blood god hasn't been in effect since I'm with a "good" pantheon. Loyalty is more important to her than killing and she wouldn't want to do something that would upset her allies. (Non-realpolitick reason.) As for the "immature teenage girl" thing, I'll have to fix that. Mostly it's a result of slipping back into Malakath and getting involved with everything. I'm slowly getting a reign back on the character.
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 10:09:02 pm
I'd say at least half of the gods in the other one were... well maybe not scary but definitely not nice.
I quite miss the city destroying monsters, merciless angels and the often insane actions of the gods.
I'm sure we'll see some of that here eventually though.
Post by: Stirk on June 26, 2015, 10:11:46 pm
It is kind of funny though. Compare the gods in this game to the ones in the original Ye Gods.
I'd say at least half of the gods in the other one were... well maybe not scary but definitely not nice.
I quite miss the city destroying monsters, merciless angels and the often insane actions of the gods.
I'm sure we'll see some of that here eventually though.
If I can keep it alive that long :-\.
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 26, 2015, 10:14:31 pm
Don't forget, we're only on tick 15....
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 10:19:02 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 10:40:36 pm
If I can keep it alive that long :-\.Just ask yourself, "Would Fusil give up?" ;D
I suppose when this does eventually die, I'll probably fade away from the forum again until someone sends me a message letting me know there's another similar god game I can join. :P
How long did it take before the first ones of those appeared, gman?
Don't forget, we're only on tick 15....
Good point. I don't think things got too exciting until about a third of the way through. So, with a total of 110 ticks, I guess we could say that was around tick 30ish... But if Stirk is gonna burn out sooner than KJP, we need to work faster!
Join me Rolepgeek! Join me in accelerating the pace of this game so that we may face world destroying monsters before it's too late! I can't do it on my meager essence income alone!
Post by: Stirk on June 26, 2015, 10:46:35 pm
If I can keep it alive that long :-\.Just ask yourself, "Would Fusil give up?" ;D
He gave up on a lot of things all the time :-\. Mostly started fighting something, something else came up, then he fought that while forgetting about his old enemy.
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 10:50:35 pm
I'd like to able to see the cards more clearly this time without being Cim.
Post by: ~Neri on June 26, 2015, 10:53:06 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 10:57:45 pm
He gave up on a lot of things all the time :-\. Mostly started fighting something, something else came up, then he fought that while forgetting about his old enemy.It was more like forfeiting the battle to win the war. You gave up on some fights but you never gave up on fighting!
In the name of Us, no! Not unless the world destroying monsters bear clear signs saying 'property of Utther/Mavnon'.Wasn't almost all of it revealed at the end anyway? I thought all the detective work and the battles were pretty exciting personally.
I'd like to able to see the cards more clearly this time without being Cim.
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 11:08:57 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 11:17:53 pm
I feel like Grauel also did a lot but maybe I'm biased.
Post by: Andres on June 26, 2015, 11:18:07 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 26, 2015, 11:33:54 pm
I think Yaos was for real dead man. I did a lot of experimenting with that stuff in the last game and at the point you were at, I think it would have actually hurt your god to bring Yaos back. For example, the only thing that stopped Grauel from creating new "subservient god like entities" or basically npc gods under Grauel's control was that it used up his essence capacity. Not essence but essence capacity and a significant chunk at that. With how much Yaos was beaten into the ground, I find it hard to believe you could have pulled that off without serious consequences to your other character.
Edit:
I should clarify. Even those weren't really gods. They were more like the essence dragon. Actually creating a complete new god ran the risk that it would try to kill you immediately after being formed.
Post by: Stirk on June 26, 2015, 11:42:10 pm
Just because no one's tried it yet, doesn't mean it's not possible here. Personally I just don't have an IC reason to do so yet. Honestly it only happened once in the last game for my character so it's not something I do lightly but I think it still kinda fits for both our characters depending on circumstances.
I think Yaos was for real dead man. I did a lot of experimenting with that stuff in the last game and at the point you were at, I think it would have actually hurt your god to bring Yaos back. For example, the only thing that stopped Grauel from creating new "subservient god like entities" or basically npc gods under Grauel's control was that it used up his essence capacity. Not essence but essence capacity and a significant chunk at that. With how much Yaos was beaten into the ground, I find it hard to believe you could have pulled that off without serious consequences to your other character.
Edit:
I should clarify. Even those weren't really gods. They were more like the essence dragon. Actually creating a complete new god ran the risk that it would try to kill you immediately after being formed.
Technically, you could use a Living God and essentially transfer its Godhood to an NPC if you had wanted. In the Original, at least. It probably wouldn't have turned out well, but it was an option.
Yaos was dead dead, and if he came back, would only be killed again. Plus it would be kind of meta to revive your old character with your new one ::).
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 26, 2015, 11:52:51 pm
If I can keep it alive that long :-\.Just ask yourself, "Would Fusil give up?" ;D
I suppose when this does eventually die, I'll probably fade away from the forum again until someone sends me a message letting me know there's another similar god game I can join. :PHow long did it take before the first ones of those appeared, gman?
Don't forget, we're only on tick 15....
Good point. I don't think things got too exciting until about a third of the way through. So, with a total of 110 ticks, I guess we could say that was around tick 30ish... But if Stirk is gonna burn out sooner than KJP, we need to work faster!
Join me Rolepgeek! Join me in accelerating the pace of this game so that we may face world destroying monsters before it's too late! I can't do it on my meager essence income alone!
So get help. That's what I did.
I have my own plans that may result in world-shattering consequences. Teburshe wants to go beyond the possible, after all...
Post by: Vgray on June 26, 2015, 11:54:09 pm
Boring notes:This information may or may not be useful and relevant in the future.Spoiler: Qualitative notes on the social side: (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Notes/observations on diplomacy: (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Notes on investigation: (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 26, 2015, 11:58:22 pm
Then again, as was said earlier. Tick 15.
If you want any help running the game, Stirk(the non-secret actions, obviously), I'd be willing to try. If nothing else, I could try to run the Essence totals each tick, if you wanted me to.
Post by: Andres on June 27, 2015, 12:15:58 am
For example, the only thing that stopped Grauel from creating new "subservient god like entities" or basically npc gods under Grauel's control was that it used up his essence capacity. Not essence but essence capacity and a significant chunk at that.Interesting. I didn't think anyone else did that kind of research. What you're describing is actually just one way of doing it - one I didn't know was possible. The method I discovered did the same thing and you still had to give up capacity, except the being you create - while friendly/loyal and similar to yourself - is entirely independent. The bright side is that there was a 100% chance of success and it would never try to kill you upon creation, unlike your method. I won't reveal the method because I still need to do research on its possibility in Litany of the Void.
I should clarify. Even those weren't really gods. They were more like the essence dragon. Actually creating a complete new god ran the risk that it would try to kill you immediately after being formed.
I think Yaos was for real dead man. I did a lot of experimenting with that stuff in the last game and at the point you were at, I think it would have actually hurt your god to bring Yaos back. With how much Yaos was beaten into the ground, I find it hard to believe you could have pulled that off without serious consequences to your other character.There certainly would've been serious consequences but two things mitigated it. One is the power I would gain through fusion. The other is related to why I was ~8 times as powerful as Tykki.
Yaos was dead dead, and if he came back, would only be killed again. Plus it would be kind of meta to revive your old character with your new one ::).It wouldn't be as bad as you'd think. If I revived and fused with him in the same Tick, there wouldn't be any meta issues to worry about. It would just be me playing as a single god like normal.
Post by: gman8181 on June 27, 2015, 12:50:20 am
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while friendly/loyal and similar to yourself - is entirely independentI think that was the problem. A lot of it probably depended on the sphere and characteristics of what one attempts to create. As such, the god of hunger creating something with characteristics similar to itself would be very different from the god of goodness creating one with characteristics similar to itself. Another key point is of course the independence. Even if they are friendly and similar, there is absolutely no guarantee they will see eye to eye on all matters. One god of goodness may seek good just the same as the other but have different ways in which they go about it. I think of it almost like human twins with similar characteristics but where they can vary wildly in other regards. Another guess; if you recreated Yaos, he/she would have been independent of your control, under the gm's control and while potentially friendly, not necessarily inclined to want to fuse with you and forfeit its "independent consciousness" or whatever. There's almost innumerable other problems I could venture at the plan, but it's all just hypothetical so I probably won't get into it.
So get help. That's what I did.Sorry I was trying to be humorous. Asking you seriously to join forces with me OOC would probably be in bad taste.
I have my own plans that may result in world-shattering consequences. Teburshe wants to go beyond the possible, after all...
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 27, 2015, 01:00:10 am
I was being serious, though. >:D
Post by: Andres on June 27, 2015, 02:00:40 am
Actually, spheres didn't really matter in such cases. No matter what spheres the gods had, they always became omnicidal monsters eventually. Spheres didn't matter when it came to fusion and the ability to resist having your soul eaten had nothing to do with your sphere. There are a few more clues that spheres didn't matter nearly as much as people thought but said clues I'm going to keep secret. You could be the god of Sacrificing Essence Capacity to Make God-Like Beings and still the only thing that mattered would be method.Quotewhile friendly/loyal and similar to yourself - is entirely independentI think that was the problem. A lot of it probably depended on the sphere and characteristics of what one attempts to create. As such, the god of hunger creating something with characteristics similar to itself would be very different from the god of goodness creating one with characteristics similar to itself. Another key point is of course the independence. Even if they are friendly and similar, there is absolutely no guarantee they will see eye to eye on all matters. One god of goodness may seek good just the same as the other but have different ways in which they go about it. I think of it almost like human twins with similar characteristics but where they can vary wildly in other regards.
Another guess; if you recreated Yaos, he/she would have been independent of your control, under the gm's control and while potentially friendly, not necessarily inclined to want to fuse with you and forfeit its "independent consciousness" or whatever. There's almost innumerable other problems I could venture at the plan, but it's all just hypothetical so I probably won't get into it.I reckon if I didn't fuse with him, Yaos would've been controlled by the GM. As for its inclination to fusion, who do you think gave Malakath the idea? They were both willing to abandon their independent consciousnesses and the risks didn't matter to them. Malakath got her willingness after the change in personality via double-angel-soul/mind-assimilation.
Post by: Stirk on June 27, 2015, 08:32:48 am
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There certainly would've been serious consequences but two things mitigated it. One is the power I would gain through fusion. The other is related to why I was ~8 times as powerful as Tykki.
If you made 800E worth of Void Essence and expected it to have no consequences, you are kind of a fool :-\.
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It wouldn't be as bad as you'd think. If I revived and fused with him in the same Tick, there wouldn't be any meta issues to worry about. It would just be me playing as a single god like normal.
I mean "Lol Imma revive my last character!" is a meta action. It would kind of be like avenging Yaos's death with your new character, only in some ways worse. An action that you take as Andres instead of taking in character.
Andres, I read your method via PM, and that really probably wouldn't have worked in the long run. Even Angels can fall in the original Ye Gods. That is what the Journals where for....
Post by: Ama on June 27, 2015, 09:22:20 am
:PThe Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
HMM I WONDER
:P
Post by: Jbg97 on June 27, 2015, 11:13:38 am
Actually, I wonder too. There are so many people playing this game I can only remember Mavnon, Nilva, Veruckckckckt, and Uztot. And even then I dont even remember what spheres they are besides Conflict and Wolves.:PThe Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
HMM I WONDER
:P
Post by: Happy Demon on June 27, 2015, 11:26:01 am
Heh, so I'm one of the less noticeable ones? Great, then it's time to secretly eat some inactive gods.Actually, I wonder too. There are so many people playing this game I can only remember Mavnon, Nilva, Veruckckckckt, and Uztot. And even then I dont even remember what spheres they are besides Conflict and Wolves.:PThe Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
HMM I WONDER
:P
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 27, 2015, 11:33:51 am
Actually, I wonder too. There are so many people playing this game I can only remember Mavnon, Nilva, Veruckckckckt, and Uztot. And even then I dont even remember what spheres they are besides Conflict and Wolves.:PThe Clothier probably has nightmares about Nilva~Speaking of nightmares.
Who's responsible for the spiky tentacle tongue wolf nightmares?
HMM I WONDER
:P
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325
Also, what's up with Utther? We haven't heard about him for ages.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 27, 2015, 11:38:43 am
Also, what's up with Utther? We haven't heard about him for ages.He's kicking it mortal style, trying to find a way to break his curse, all that jazz. Turns out being essentially a regular mortal makes you pretty unnoticeable when there are wars and revolutions raging across the fragments, Orc raids are going on, whole races are still being created, etc.
Life aint all that peaceful for mortals.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 27, 2015, 11:55:15 am
Also, what's up with Utther? We haven't heard about him for ages.He's kicking it mortal style, trying to find a way to break his curse, all that jazz. Turns out being essentially a regular mortal makes you pretty unnoticeable when there are wars and revolutions raging across the fragments, Orc raids are going on, whole races are still being created, etc.
Life aint all that peaceful for mortals.
Really? I thought he had been released a few ticks ago.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 27, 2015, 12:53:04 pm
Really? I thought he had been released a few ticks ago.nnnnnnnnnope!
Post by: Stirk on June 27, 2015, 12:55:43 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 27, 2015, 03:54:26 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 27, 2015, 05:04:49 pm
First off, the molecules silicon forms require a much higher temperate and typically pressure in order to be both stable and soluble. Second, water tends to make a poor solvent for them for those reasons, as it would start boiling rather quickly. I believe Ammonia was one possible alternative. Third, silicon based structures can still burn, just not as easily. Fourth, silicon-based life would be heavy. It would also be fairly sizable, due to the increased atom size. They would likely have a higher internal body temperature. A certain amount of this can of course be handwaved, but the body temperature thing at least should be there.
Post by: Andres on June 27, 2015, 05:28:32 pm
If you made 800E worth of Void Essence and expected it to have no consequences, you are kind of a fool :-\.Nope. The method was pure. No Void shenanigans whatsoever. Malakath talked with the Void only once and it was in public.
I mean "Lol Imma revive my last character!" is a meta action. It would kind of be like avenging Yaos's death with your new character, only in some ways worse. An action that you take as Andres instead of taking in character.Trust me when I say that I'd gotten over Yaos by that point. If I ever fused with him - and I doubt it - it would've been for the ease of doing so and because of the crap-ton of power I would've gotten.
Andres, I read your method via PM, and that really probably wouldn't have worked in the long run. Even Angels can fall in the original Ye Gods. That is what the Journals where for....Angels falling? Journals? Can you tell me what you mean?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 27, 2015, 05:34:55 pm
I'm gonna point out a few things, because I like silicon based life, but I also wanna see it done right.
First off, the molecules silicon forms require a much higher temperate and typically pressure in order to be both stable and soluble. Second, water tends to make a poor solvent for them for those reasons, as it would start boiling rather quickly. I believe Ammonia was one possible alternative. Third, silicon based structures can still burn, just not as easily. Fourth, silicon-based life would be heavy. It would also be fairly sizable, due to the increased atom size. They would likely have a higher internal body temperature. A certain amount of this can of course be handwaved, but the body temperature thing at least should be there.
Yeah, when I made that I based it on the fact that silicon was a plausible base for a life form, and then made a bunch of assumptions. I did a bit of research after making and you are right. For the body temperature, I guess their heat resistance would fix the issue. All of the Aag species except the Kaag don't need water, so that's also not much of a problem. I didn't thought much about it when I applied it to the Kaag. I guess changing their diet from food and water to light and heat would fix the issue. Would you be okay with that?
Post by: Rolepgeek on June 27, 2015, 06:17:38 pm
And deserts have plenty of silica and the like. But they would need to get materials to replace body stuff. Maybe not much, certainly, but something. Not a big deal overall, really.
Post by: Andres on June 27, 2015, 08:44:42 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 27, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
So nothing's really happening in the IC thread. Maybe now's a good time to do PMs/OOC/the Tick?
I still have to get up the willpower to do it. Don't feel like it right now :-\.
Post by: gman8181 on June 27, 2015, 11:28:30 pm
So nothing's really happening in the IC thread. Maybe now's a good time to do PMs/OOC/the Tick?
I still have to get up the willpower to do it. Don't feel like it right now :-\.
No rush from me. I'd rather you do it at a pace that's still fun for you.
Post by: Jbg97 on June 28, 2015, 09:59:47 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 28, 2015, 10:08:13 pm
Post by: ~Neri on June 28, 2015, 10:13:26 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on June 28, 2015, 10:19:54 pm
You should get an exorcist. Generally not good to be possessed by Gamzee.
Agreed. Murder spree also aren't usually appreciated here on earth.
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Post by: Stirk on June 28, 2015, 10:21:07 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on June 29, 2015, 07:36:36 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 29, 2015, 07:43:06 pm
Post by: Stirk on June 30, 2015, 06:14:59 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on June 30, 2015, 06:19:50 pm
Ok. I did it! Finally got tick 15 income calcs up! Be grateful.I just created Shamanism, which cost 7E, so I shouldn't have 10E.
Post by: Stirk on June 30, 2015, 06:25:51 pm
Ok. I did it! Finally got tick 15 income calcs up! Be grateful.I just created Shamanism, which cost 7E, so I shouldn't have 10E.
Yeah~ Turns out I made some pretty huge glaring mistakes that I now have to fix~.
Post by: Happy Demon on June 30, 2015, 06:29:32 pm
Well, in return you can do the calculations for the Bony Creatures.Ok. I did it! Finally got tick 15 income calcs up! Be grateful.I just created Shamanism, which cost 7E, so I shouldn't have 10E.
Yeah~ Turns out I made some pretty huge glaring mistakes that I now have to fix~.
I'll dig up the post.
Edit: Found it.
Eh, I just called it Shamanism for ease of reference. But since there's no template for it, it would just be standard.Is shamanism already a thing that exists?It's in development, talk to Happy Demon, he's the main one working on it.
So I should maybe change the naming to something descriptive.
How about: Spirit based elemental magic?
$$$
Actually, I need to check the price for a race I've planned. As the amount of differences from humans would likely cause a >10E cost.Spoiler: Bony Creatures (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on June 30, 2015, 07:29:11 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 03, 2015, 02:33:10 am
Post by: Stirk on July 03, 2015, 07:51:30 am
I'll be taking a couple days off again. Same deal as last time: don't expect great big serious posts, but I will read most of what'll happen.
With all the events happening, I am sure you will be at a major disadvantage when you get back.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 03, 2015, 11:27:16 am
Post by: Jbg97 on July 06, 2015, 05:32:19 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 06, 2015, 05:47:03 am
Post by: Detoxicated on July 06, 2015, 06:16:05 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 06, 2015, 02:59:06 pm
Pls update, its such a nice game.
+1. I don't want yet another Ye gods to die.
Post by: Stirk on July 06, 2015, 03:12:33 pm
And from high above, Stirk did listen from atop his gun-throne and did whisper "I'll get to it eventually..."
I will probably get the next update at least started in the near future, though this is a fairly busy week or me. The local Relay for Life is coming up, and I always help setup/it run and the dinner, which takes away a lot of time I had later in the week. So don't actually expect anything to come soon, but feel free to hope for it.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 06, 2015, 03:37:37 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 06, 2015, 03:47:34 pm
The increasing hillariousnes of "daily updates" statement in the begning of this thread does not match the increasing boredom from lack of update. You dont actualy have to sleep, you know?
Psh. How about a bet? If you can make a fake update including only public actions, coherently and taking into account everything that happened so far, in under 3 hours, Ill have the update up tomorrow. This would include asking prayers and finding/making up the price of everything.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 06, 2015, 06:18:15 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 06, 2015, 06:35:45 pm
Well, the question there, is does it have to be a continuous three hours?
I don't have much a way to know how much time you spent on it otherwise. Just post when you start, so I can know when you finish. The bet goes for anyone and everyone.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 08, 2015, 07:12:21 pm
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I'll have to draw the Kaag properly one day, they look horrible in that picture.
Edit: Now that I think of it the Aag civilization is closer to the medieval era.
Post by: Stirk on July 09, 2015, 07:44:52 am
Edit: Now that I think of it the Aag civilization is closer to the medieval era.
Generally, I have kind of assumed most of the world is closer to the Roman era then the medieval one. For example, the steel that has been created so far is only Roman-quality and most of the inventions so far are based on things that real Rome built.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 09, 2015, 08:14:49 am
Is the steel pattern welded or mono-steel. Since having good quality mono-steel was what increased the amount of swords available in the medieval period.Edit: Now that I think of it the Aag civilization is closer to the medieval era.
Generally, I have kind of assumed most of the world is closer to the Roman era then the medieval one. For example, the steel that has been created so far is only Roman-quality and most of the inventions so far are based on things that real Rome built.
Mostly because pattern welding was time consuming and required skill.
Post by: Stirk on July 09, 2015, 08:33:25 am
Is the steel pattern welded or mono-steel. Since having good quality mono-steel was what increased the amount of swords available in the medieval period.
Mostly because pattern welding was time consuming and required skill.
Super-low quality mono-steel, from what I can tell. The metal would benefit from pattern welding, due to the fact steel is still a new resource to them and they haven't figured out how to do it yet. I think, at least.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 09, 2015, 08:37:21 am
Ah, well maybe Skolld could invent it (it's technically binding steel and iron), if he somehow got to know of the steel's shortcomings.Is the steel pattern welded or mono-steel. Since having good quality mono-steel was what increased the amount of swords available in the medieval period.
Mostly because pattern welding was time consuming and required skill.
Super-low quality mono-steel, from what I can tell. The metal would benefit from pattern welding, due to the fact steel is still a new resource to them and they haven't figured out how to do it yet. I think, at least.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 09, 2015, 11:07:26 am
I'll probably post more drawings here while everything is going slow. I started drawing the Aag capital.
Post by: Stirk on July 09, 2015, 03:48:26 pm
Do I get a discount from my progress or revolution aspect when upgrading a species like I did earlier or is it too much of a stretch? Also, do I get a discount when teaching new technology?
I'll probably post more drawings here while everything is going slow. I started drawing the Aag capital.
You already asked that, and it will probably be answered whenever I get to the OOC. Which will totally happen.
Speaking of updating, I have the tick partially done. Charity work and being down a man tomorrow mean I will probably have it up over the weekend.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 09, 2015, 04:17:13 pm
Okay, good to know. Looking forward to this continuing.Do I get a discount from my progress or revolution aspect when upgrading a species like I did earlier or is it too much of a stretch? Also, do I get a discount when teaching new technology?
I'll probably post more drawings here while everything is going slow. I started drawing the Aag capital.
You already asked that, and it will probably be answered whenever I get to the OOC. Which will totally happen.
Speaking of updating, I have the tick partially done. Charity work and being down a man tomorrow mean I will probably have it up over the weekend.
Post by: ~Neri on July 09, 2015, 04:36:04 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 09, 2015, 04:44:49 pm
Yaaay~!QFT.
Post by: Andres on July 09, 2015, 04:52:53 pm
What's QFT?Yaaay~!QFT.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 09, 2015, 06:15:41 pm
Do I get a discount from my progress or revolution aspect when upgrading a species like I did earlier or is it too much of a stretch? Also, do I get a discount when teaching new technology?
I'll probably post more drawings here while everything is going slow. I started drawing the Aag capital.
You already asked that, and it will probably be answered whenever I get to the OOC. Which will totally happen.
Speaking of updating, I have the tick partially done. Charity work and being down a man tomorrow mean I will probably have it up over the weekend.
Oh right, I thought I asked that a few ticks ago and you missed it. Glad to hear an update is coming :D
What's QFT?Yaaay~!QFT.
A quick search tell me it means "Quoted For Truth". First time I see that acronym too.
Post by: Andres on July 09, 2015, 07:41:00 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 09, 2015, 08:50:17 pm
FArgHalfnr was nice enough to redo my shoddy symbol. Here it is in all its glory, (http://i.imgur.com/J8Ny8Zf.png) with a small colour edit by me. Much thanks to FArgHalfnr for his impressive artwork!
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/010/809/happy-oh-stop-it-you.png)
It was quite basic, nothing too big. Not something I'd expect any praise from.
Edit: Updated your sheet on the list.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 11, 2015, 06:46:36 pm
Quote
New Kingdom King:
Peace? There will be no peace. You are a being whose only goal is your own amusement. The Aag nation was made by you to worship you and fight for you. I will free them from you. Do all you want, but a god is simply a demon with a pretty face.
Post by: Stirk on July 11, 2015, 06:48:15 pm
I noticed you have been reusing lines from 15th turn, Stirk.QuoteNew Kingdom King:
Peace? There will be no peace. You are a being whose only goal is your own amusement. The Aag nation was made by you to worship you and fight for you. I will free them from you. Do all you want, but a god is simply a demon with a pretty face.
That you did. I wonder what that means?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 11, 2015, 07:44:30 pm
I noticed you have been reusing lines from 15th turn, Stirk.QuoteNew Kingdom King:
Peace? There will be no peace. You are a being whose only goal is your own amusement. The Aag nation was made by you to worship you and fight for you. I will free them from you. Do all you want, but a god is simply a demon with a pretty face.
That you did. I wonder what that means?
DUN DUN DUUUUN!!
New kingdom's king confirmed to be an audio recording.
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 07:46:27 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 11, 2015, 07:49:22 pm
So did I make the afterlife? I kinda need to know if I wasted 3E last Tick if I want to not waste another 3E this Tick.
Yeah.
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 08:20:11 pm
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Post by: micelus on July 11, 2015, 08:21:02 pm
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 08:23:19 pm
It's been a while, so can anyone remind me what Mavnon did?He got the CRD to capture many of Humanity's still independent lands. Then he went to war with the Aag, I think. Now I think he got the New Kingdom to join the CRD in their war against the Aag.
Post by: micelus on July 11, 2015, 08:23:54 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 11, 2015, 08:24:34 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 11, 2015, 08:25:36 pm
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 08:25:48 pm
Do note that the CRD are not currently at war or invading the Aag. They are also not at war or being invaded by the New Kingdom.But the New Kingdom joined an apparently already existing war against the Aag. Who was warring against the Aag, then? It can't be the Great Tribe because they made peace two Ticks ago.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 11, 2015, 08:26:26 pm
Stirk, the Saplings aren't all that warlike, I'm pretty sure, right? Have they bred/trained any megafauna for guard or combat purposes? Or tamed any Great Beasts for it? I'm pretty sure I taught them how to try and domesticate the Great Beasts. I might be wrong.
Post by: micelus on July 11, 2015, 08:27:33 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 11, 2015, 08:29:31 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 11, 2015, 08:32:12 pm
wait, so fredrick allows Lithus worship, but then declares war on them?
He has not formally declared war, Lithus just seems to believe he has allied with the New Kingdom.
Do note that the CRD are not currently at war or invading the Aag. They are also not at war or being invaded by the New Kingdom.But the New Kingdom joined an apparently already existing war against the Aag. Who was warring against the Aag, then? It can't be the Great Tribe because they made peace two Ticks ago.
I don't remember saying that. The New Kingdom has been invading pretty much everywhere, including the Aag nation. They are now consolidating more resources on a more full scale assault.
Hmmmm....
Stirk, the Saplings aren't all that warlike, I'm pretty sure, right? Have they bred/trained any megafauna for guard or combat purposes? Or tamed any Great Beasts for it? I'm pretty sure I taught them how to try and domesticate the Great Beasts. I might be wrong.
Not particularly, as they have not seen much combat they have not undergone the investment it would take to get megafauna for pure combat purposes. The amount of huge animals tamed by mortal races is small, due to the amount of resources necessary to tame, feed, and generally upkeep them, though it exists. The current Huge Beasts would be able to go into combat, but not as well as a specialist Beast. Basically it would be like real-life War Elephants, except multiplied by several times.
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 08:34:58 pm
Ah. I hadn't thought that the forces they were joining were their own.Do note that the CRD are not currently at war or invading the Aag. They are also not at war or being invaded by the New Kingdom.But the New Kingdom joined an apparently already existing war against the Aag. Who was warring against the Aag, then? It can't be the Great Tribe because they made peace two Ticks ago.
I don't remember saying that. The New Kingdom has been invading pretty much everywhere, including the Aag nation. They are now consolidating more resources on a more full scale assault.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 11, 2015, 08:51:42 pm
I didn't expect them to be warlike, and I'm hoping it doesn't become all that important...I would rather use
I can do that right? That could be a thing? I hope it could be a thing.
By the way, FallacyofUrist, I don't think you ever responded to Teburshe the first time he asked about if you wanted to be involved in his towers project.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 11, 2015, 09:23:37 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 11, 2015, 09:32:00 pm
That's about what I figured and hoped for, Stirk. >:D That all makes sense. I'm guessing the Saplings would have an easier time of it if only because they're so good at making food, and cuz' they were first to learn and so on, but still probably wouldn't have a huge amount of them.I think I did... then I forgot about it.
I didn't expect them to be warlike, and I'm hoping it doesn't become all that important...I would rather usevat-lab-field-grown soldiers if I can and I have to.
I can do that right? That could be a thing? I hope it could be a thing.
By the way, FallacyofUrist, I don't think you ever responded to Teburshe the first time he asked about if you wanted to be involved in his towers project.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 11, 2015, 10:37:52 pm
Post by: Andres on July 11, 2015, 10:54:47 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 12:28:55 am
I know your insults and accusations against me got cancelled, Farg, but man...that hurts deep :(
Don't worry, I don't really hate you, only my character hates yours ;P
(and that's almost only because they have an opposing ideology (and because I thought yours was suddenly declaring war against mine for no apparent reason), so no hard feelings)
Edit: (and also a lot of misunderstanding, Lithus currently believe the aurors were created only to spread corruption, greed and tyranny (unless that's actually patronius' goal? If not, he might want to clarify).)
Yeah, Farg, you may want to edit your previous posts and strikethrough them. It'll be easier on Stirk and there's less chance of a Bad Thing accidentally getting into the next update.
I'll make sure to do that ASAP
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 12:40:20 am
You missed one. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6367392#msg6367392)Yeah, Farg, you may want to edit your previous posts and strikethrough them. It'll be easier on Stirk and there's less chance of a Bad Thing accidentally getting into the next update.
I'll make sure to do that ASAP
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 12:56:33 am
You missed one. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6367392#msg6367392)Yeah, Farg, you may want to edit your previous posts and strikethrough them. It'll be easier on Stirk and there's less chance of a Bad Thing accidentally getting into the next update.
I'll make sure to do that ASAP
I wasn't done, I did it now.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 12, 2015, 01:11:39 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 01:15:59 am
There's a Growth side and a Shady side to everything, after all. Patronius...grow your power, grow your hoard, grow your kingdom, overshadow everyone else. Liuthus...grow your knowledge, grow your culture, prune the offenders, cast the land into shadow so it might bloom again. Gai-gen...uhhh....?
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 01:28:38 am
Create a spirit that absorbs worship and can reply to the prayers of those that petition it. All worship is used to answer its worshipers. This spirit would have the sphere of Improvement and would only answer prayers relating to this.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 09:26:53 am
For the record, Teburshe is neutral in most subjects.... oops I guess I never choose a long-term goal.
There's a Growth side and a Shady side to everything, after all. Patronius...grow your power, grow your hoard, grow your kingdom, overshadow everyone else. Liuthus...grow your knowledge, grow your culture, prune the offenders, cast the land into shadow so it might bloom again. Gai-gen...uhhh....?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 12, 2015, 02:26:07 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 12, 2015, 02:31:15 pm
It's going to take me a while to catch up; I have forgot pretty much every plan I had before the impromptu hiatus. Carry on, I'll post when I'm ready.
Is prophet of Cim dead?
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 02:32:15 pm
It's going to take me a while to catch up; I have forgot pretty much every plan I had before the impromptu hiatus. Carry on, I'll post when I'm ready.
Lets not pretend like the next tick is going to come any sooner than the last one did, you should have plenty of time to catch up.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 12, 2015, 02:34:52 pm
Is prophet of Cim dead?Same thing as with Stirk and Litany: I'll update when I find the strength. It's less of an excuse as I've done much smaller updates than Stirk. It's not the best of times in my offline life, however, so I also have much less drive to work on it.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 02:44:20 pm
It's going to take me a while to catch up; I have forgot pretty much every plan I had before the impromptu hiatus. Carry on, I'll post when I'm ready.
Lets not pretend like the next tick is going to come any sooner than the last one did, you should have plenty of time to catch up.
:,(
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 03:32:22 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 03:41:11 pm
I should have just like 3-4 more than last tick then, right?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 04:42:10 pm
Ah. Hitting the PMs now, lets see how far I get. OOC would take to long right now~. Income calc will be up whenever I can be bothered.
I sent you so many pms. I almost feel sorry now :P
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 05:41:04 pm
Alright, I think I got all the action-based PMs from tick 16- done. If I missed any non-price-check, oh well.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 06:02:10 pm
Just for the record, any PMed price checks will probably be done with normal price checks. Whenever that is. That 20 PM an hour thing is also slowin' me down.
Alright, I think I got all the action-based PMs from tick 16- done. If I missed any non-price-check, oh well.
You missed one of mine, I think I posted it earlier today, or maybe it was yesterday?
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 06:03:17 pm
Just for the record, any PMed price checks will probably be done with normal price checks. Whenever that is. That 20 PM an hour thing is also slowin' me down.
Alright, I think I got all the action-based PMs from tick 16- done. If I missed any non-price-check, oh well.
You missed one of mine, I think I posted it earlier today, or maybe it was yesterday?
If they are posted today/yesterday, then it is probably a Tick 17 action. Tick 17 actions are processed during tick 17.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 06:46:35 pm
Just for the record, any PMed price checks will probably be done with normal price checks. Whenever that is. That 20 PM an hour thing is also slowin' me down.
Alright, I think I got all the action-based PMs from tick 16- done. If I missed any non-price-check, oh well.
You missed one of mine, I think I posted it earlier today, or maybe it was yesterday?
If they are posted today/yesterday, then it is probably a Tick 17 action. Tick 17 actions are processed during tick 17.
You're right, my bad again.
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 07:04:08 pm
Wait, wouldn't it be a Tick 16 action? Before anything happened in Litany, Tick 1 had begun, so anything done after that time had to be done during Tick 1. You could say that Tick 16 actions are processed during Tick 17. That makes sense.Just for the record, any PMed price checks will probably be done with normal price checks. Whenever that is. That 20 PM an hour thing is also slowin' me down.
Alright, I think I got all the action-based PMs from tick 16- done. If I missed any non-price-check, oh well.
You missed one of mine, I think I posted it earlier today, or maybe it was yesterday?
If they are posted today/yesterday, then it is probably a Tick 17 action. Tick 17 actions are processed during tick 17.
EDIT:
$$$
Price check on giving myself the free ability to create the first thing I asked about in PMs assuming I had the material to create it with
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 07:22:33 pm
For the longer run...
Price check on starting an order of Gai-Knights.
The Gai-Knights are skilled melee warriors empowered by me with the purpose of ensuring the spread of technology and fighting on my behalf. The Gai-Knights have 7 "orders", of which the first only has one member. The First Order only has the leader within it. The leader is whoever has the strongest fighting skills, defined by victory in duels and large numbers of kills. The leader is immortal for as long as he is the strongest fighter. If he becomes not the strongest fighter, the immortality will end, leaving the former leader's body at the biological age it had during immortality(but now aging). (note only males can become Gai-Knights. See Gen-Snipers for fairness) The Second Order has only seven members, as you might imagine they are the 7 strongest fighters that are not the leader. Their aging speed is halved. The other 5 Orders have no maximum member number restriction.
Membership in the Gai-Knights is signified by wearing a gear amulet made of gold. The size of the gear depends on the Order number. As you might expect, the First Order has the largest gear and the Seventh has the smallest.
Being a Gai-Knight also has other benefits. The Fifth Order and up can go into martial trances when fighting an unfair battle to boost their fighting skills. The Third Order and above can infuse fire or electricity into their attacks. The First Order(one member, the leader) can call the spirits of those Gai-Knights who died fighting into himself to boost his power and allow him to "flash step".
Price check on starting an order of Gen-Snipers.
The Gen-Snipers are a group of elite crossbow wielding females empowered by me with the purpose of ensuring the spread of technology and fighting on my behalf. The Gen-Snipers have 7 Orders. The same "immortal leader, slowly aging near-leaders" thing applies here also. The same "1 in First, 7 in Second, infinite in rest" also applies here.
The symbol and badge of membership of the Gen-Snipers is a custom-made crossbow. Anyone in the Gen-Snipers must use a crossbow they made themselves.
The Order a Gen-Sniper occupies is calculated based on their accuracy and kill-count. The change in leadership and whatnot is determined by long-ranged archery contests(using crossbows).
Every Order gained by a Gen-Sniper improves their range, accuracy, eyesight, and dexterity. At the Fourth Order, any Gen-Sniper has the option to, twice a day, fire a crossbow bolt that explodes in a magical explosion. Note that at the First Order, a Gen-Sniper could snipe across a large city, and then some.
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 07:31:39 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 07:32:57 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 12, 2015, 07:42:10 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 07:56:06 pm
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 07:57:53 pm
Because the Gai-Knights are exclusively male and I was trying to be fair.I didn't see the male-exclusivity because I thought if they had it it'd be at the top like it was the for the snipers. I still don't get why you'd segregate them by gender.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 08:36:19 pm
Because I feel it's somewhat more realistic. Of course... considering this game...Because the Gai-Knights are exclusively male and I was trying to be fair.I didn't see the male-exclusivity because I thought if they had it it'd be at the top like it was the for the snipers. I still don't get why you'd segregate them by gender.
I have a question: How is a group of knights and crossbow-women supposed to spread technology? Other than that, Lithus would potentially be interested in seeing these groups prosper, considering their goal.I have no idea. Destroy anybody who tries to stop technology spread.
Post by: ~Neri on July 12, 2015, 08:38:39 pm
Nilva would like to remind you that gender isn't really binary.Because I feel it's somewhat more realistic. Of course... considering this game...Because the Gai-Knights are exclusively male and I was trying to be fair.I didn't see the male-exclusivity because I thought if they had it it'd be at the top like it was the for the snipers. I still don't get why you'd segregate them by gender.I have a question: How is a group of knights and crossbow-women supposed to spread technology? Other than that, Lithus would potentially be interested in seeing these groups prosper, considering their goal.I have no idea. Destroy anybody who tries to stop technology spread.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 08:40:28 pm
It's really important. :P
I feel like it takes more skill to win a duel without killing than to kill. Counting coup and all that.
If they were always human, Andres, I would bring up biological differences in the genders, males typically being stronger and finding it easier to develop musculature necessary for heavy armor and swordsmanship due to testosterone while women often go overlooked due to medieval society typically considering women the weaker sex, allowing them to get into position more easily for sniping, as well as a reduced need for such high strength levels due to the use of crossbows rather than longbows and, presumably, well-made mechanical equipment for winching. Since they have less testosterone, they're also more likely to be able to remain patient for long periods of time and think things through ahead of time.
Since they aren't exclusively human and since sexual dimorphism between species varies hugely, with some species the females being the larger and stronger ones and so on, then for aesthetic purposes.
What? It makes the Orders stand out a little bit more than if they were Co-Ed, especially if they're meant to work closely together. Sure, you won't have as many skilled members in either group, but still.
Sex is though, Kevak. :P At least most of the time. >.>
EDIT: Oh, and, uh, micelus, I think you have some typos...I'm not entirely sure what you were saying. Did you mean 'The answer to that riddle will tell' rather than 'riddle well'?
Post by: ~Neri on July 12, 2015, 08:42:45 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 08:46:59 pm
From what I can tell, the ones that have sexes are binary. If they're unisex, I don't even really consider sex to apply.
Post by: ~Neri on July 12, 2015, 08:49:47 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 08:50:59 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 08:51:16 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 12, 2015, 08:52:09 pm
Also there's a magic system in place that lets them fight physically.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 12, 2015, 09:00:15 pm
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 09:10:19 pm
If they were always human, Andres, I would bring up biological differences in the genders, males typically being stronger and finding it easier to develop musculature necessary for heavy armor and swordsmanship due to testosterone while women often go overlooked due to medieval society typically considering women the weaker sex, allowing them to get into position more easily for sniping, as well as a reduced need for such high strength levels due to the use of crossbows rather than longbows and, presumably, well-made mechanical equipment for winching. Since they have less testosterone, they're also more likely to be able to remain patient for long periods of time and think things through ahead of time.Eh, Iliseth made male and female Humans equal, at least in the physical department. Humanity - or at least her clergy - are equal when it comes to the sexes.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 09:16:25 pm
I mean, that's a fairly big difference as compared to real humans. Maybe you specified it earlier, but that definitely makes them less humans, and more Humans.
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 09:39:54 pm
So do women put more body tissue towards muscle or do men put more towards fat? Or both? Are their skeletons the same? How much are they equal (as in, can you tell the difference most of the time by looking?)?Men and women look the same as their RL counterparts. They're equal because I'm a god and I say they're equal.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 09:41:58 pm
I'm asking whether you buffed the women or nerfed the men, in the physical strength category, Andres.
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 09:42:39 pm
*shrug*
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 09:50:47 pm
Katanite is liable to be far worse than good old plain steel, given Stirk's disposition towards hype and weeaboo. :P
Would probably be better to just say Damascus steel or titanium.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 09:56:16 pm
Also, Andres, beware;Put more essence into it!
Katanite is liable to be far worse than good old plain steel, given Stirk's disposition towards hype and weeaboo. :P
Would probably be better to just say Damascus steel or titanium.
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 10:13:25 pm
Give CRD early guns and the knowledge to create blackpowder. They already have the prerequisites, from what I know.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 10:17:15 pm
$$$
Give CRD guns. They already have the prerequisites, from what I know.
Good idea, but note full-fledged guns might not be possible yet- flintlock pistols and muskets are feasible however.
Note they'll need gunpowder first.
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 10:17:55 pm
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 10:18:52 pm
Also, Andres, beware;I feel the same way towards weaboo crap, but I just needed an example of the quality of the metal and that seemed to fit. I'm not sure of the properties of Damascus steel and titanium vs regular steel so katanite is what I went with. Besides, I doubt Stirk would purposefully mess up my desired and very obvious action just because he doesn't like the thing I compared it to.
Katanite is liable to be far worse than good old plain steel, given Stirk's disposition towards hype and weeaboo. :P
Would probably be better to just say Damascus steel or titanium.
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 10:19:12 pm
$$$
Give CRD guns. They already have the prerequisites, from what I know.
They don't~.
They have the prerequisite for black powder, which would need another 500 years of advancement to make even simple gun-style weapons. Before that it is much more useful for incendiary and flamethrower style weapons.
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 10:19:57 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 10:24:10 pm
Refer to edit.
I did. Black powder was invented in the 9th century, and didn't explode due to a difference in formula. It took hundreds of years to develop it to the point protoguns where possible, in the 14 century. The black powder they would be able to make isn't a prerequisite for guns, which is going to kick the price up probably more then you would expect.
**GMEDIT**
And, for the record, flintlocks are fairly advanced firearms as far as history goes (17 century), and so is the musket (16~ century). Once you get to that point, you are looking at a huge price tag, due to all the small advancements needed to get that far. As that is also a world-changing event, with these weapons being made to essentially give to every soldier, it isn't something you could afford without help. Exact numbers would come when I get to the chore of Price Checks, I just wanted you to know why I am going to make it expensive.
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 10:37:41 pm
EDIT: Ok, so I don't want guns, I want gunpowder weaponry. Ooh, idea.
$$$
Very early Turkish bombard technology. Hard to move, takes forever to reload and often break down.
Flamethrowers
Glass grenades
T'u huo ch'iangs
Hwachas
Locating the Spirit of Strife and determining what it has been doing.
Battery that stores essence from Influence and Worship. Can be drained my Mavnon.
Armour of Far Futures: a set of power armour that empowers the user with increased strength/agility/reflexes. Usable only by Immortals or Gods.
Light Scimitar: A scimitar made of pure light, its presence rallies nearby mortals into a cohesive group. Usable only by Immortals or Gods.
Dark Rifle: A mosin-nagent made of pure darkness, its bullets drives its victims to fall into bestial strife, without logic or care. Usable only by Immortals or Gods.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 10:40:09 pm
Early ones were just a burning wick that you touched to the hole with the powder.
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 10:46:01 pm
That's what I meant by guns.
Then why would you have put that?
In any case, the fire lance was more of a flamethrower than a gun. It was one of the incendiary weapons I was referring too, actually. It didn't start really firing pellets and darts until they started refining the formula of gunpowder, and you are still looking at 100-300 years of development.
Gunpowder weaponry is a much more achievable goal~.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 10:47:11 pm
Price check on 3 Bridge-Seeds, which can have essence added to them by gods to create bridges.
By which I mean bridges between the 3 Fragments.
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 10:47:48 pm
Post by: Andres on July 12, 2015, 10:48:38 pm
Price check on combining the fragments into one normal planet in a non-destructive way
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 10:50:32 pm
As well, who's to say their technological development will follow the same path it did in real life? It's entirely possible some fields would advance far ahead of others. After all, think of how many things were invented by accident. Like penicillin, as a very basic example.
EDIT:
$$$
Price check on creating a Moon Seed that naturally grows on it's own from residual magic energy and whatnot, until it reaches full size.
Post by: Stirk on July 12, 2015, 10:55:26 pm
What about just stuff like simple hand cannons and the like?
As well, who's to say their technological development will follow the same path it did in real life? It's entirely possible some fields would advance far ahead of others. After all, think of how many things were invented by accident. Like penicillin, as a very basic example.
It already is far off what we did in real life. Real life development time is simply a handy tool to compare "tech levels", and is simply one factor in calculating inventions.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 12, 2015, 11:00:28 pm
One more thing for laughs:
Price check on Ribbonurgy. Ribbonurgy is a form of magic characterized by ribbons. For every three essence a god puts into Ribbonurgy, they can choose a ribbon color and dictate its effect.
Effect?
Example: Gai-gen puts 3 essence into Ribbonurgy and selects Red, and says it boosts creativity. Mavnon puts 3 essence into Ribbonurgy and selects Navy, and says it boosts charisma.
When a mortal wants to use Ribbonurgy, they take a ribbon of the desired color for a given effect(John wants charisma, so he grabs a navy colored ribbon). If he wants 30 minutes of charisma, he then devotes one hour of devotion prayer to Mavnon. After that hour, the Navy ribbon is charged. He can now wrap it around a part of his body to gain a boost to charisma at any time he wants, for 30 minutes. (time usable=(time praying)/2). Similarly the Red ribbon boosts creativity once used(presuming it was charged first).
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 12, 2015, 11:01:02 pm
What areas is the world behind in, Stirk?
Post by: micelus on July 12, 2015, 11:46:16 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 13, 2015, 05:41:32 am
$$$Nilva would support that~
One more thing for laughs:
Price check on Ribbonurgy. Ribbonurgy is a form of magic characterized by ribbons. For every three essence a god puts into Ribbonurgy, they can choose a ribbon color and dictate its effect.
Effect?
Example: Gai-gen puts 3 essence into Ribbonurgy and selects Red, and says it boosts creativity. Mavnon puts 3 essence into Ribbonurgy and selects Navy, and says it boosts charisma.
When a mortal wants to use Ribbonurgy, they take a ribbon of the desired color for a given effect(John wants charisma, so he grabs a navy colored ribbon). If he wants 30 minutes of charisma, he then devotes one hour of devotion prayer to Mavnon. After that hour, the Navy ribbon is charged. He can now wrap it around a part of his body to gain a boost to charisma at any time he wants, for 30 minutes. (time usable=(time praying)/2). Similarly the Red ribbon boosts creativity once used(presuming it was charged first).
$$$They are connected by a fuckload of portals. Not to mention the cost is likely absurd.
Price check on combining the fragments into one normal planet in a non-destructive way
Post by: Stirk on July 13, 2015, 07:56:24 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 13, 2015, 03:00:01 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 13, 2015, 03:13:38 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 13, 2015, 03:24:46 pm
New kingdom is deityless.AGGHHH!!!
Post by: ~Neri on July 13, 2015, 03:26:02 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 13, 2015, 03:42:04 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 13, 2015, 03:43:17 pm
But it has allies among nations? Or at least a list of nations to attack last?
The New Kingdom seems to assault all nations except the CRDs at the start. This, naturally, makes it difficult for them to have any sort of allies.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 13, 2015, 04:27:16 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 13, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
Oh goody.
I've been wanting a chance to test some things out.
Post by: Andres on July 13, 2015, 05:34:41 pm
It also appears as though the king has been possessed.Actually, considering that Iliseth was unable to locate him via soul sense (despite locating him previously via mundane means) and his repetitive speech tones, I suspect he's some form of automaton, similar to Power-born Humans.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 13, 2015, 05:38:26 pm
Wait, so they're attacking the Saplings? And the Great Trees?
Oh goody.
I've been wanting a chance to test some things out.
They've been doing that for as long as they have been existing. Every nation except those ruled by Mavnon and Patronius are under constant attack.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 13, 2015, 05:41:40 pm
Probably.
Also I should probably give the Great Trees some more magic. The bigger ones can probably use the weather to fuck with attackers pretty badly, but still.
Post by: micelus on July 13, 2015, 05:44:51 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 13, 2015, 05:48:44 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 13, 2015, 06:32:42 pm
Wait, so they're attacking the Saplings? And the Great Trees?
Oh goody.
I've been wanting a chance to test some things out.
They've been doing that for as long as they have been existing. Every nation except those ruled by Mavnon and Patronius are under constant attack.
Hey, The Great Tribe has been under constant attack until last tick; and besides, I think the only reason they recalled their forces from me was to focus on you.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 13, 2015, 08:02:19 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 13, 2015, 08:13:10 pm
Post by: micelus on July 13, 2015, 08:17:50 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 13, 2015, 08:20:29 pm
Damn, I'm really starting to feel bad for all of what I'm saying in the IC thread. You guys all know this isn't for real, right?
It-It's not? I *may* have to redo my history report...
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 13, 2015, 08:26:02 pm
Post by: micelus on July 13, 2015, 08:27:05 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 13, 2015, 08:30:49 pm
Question, is Utter fertile in his mortal form? This has been annoying me for some time.
You made him like a hundred years old, freak...
Post by: micelus on July 13, 2015, 08:35:24 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 13, 2015, 08:36:32 pm
Sooo...is he?
*Sigh* no, as an old and decrepit mortal, he is not fertile in the normal sense.
And, for the record, none of your bodies or avatars will be fertile either.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 13, 2015, 09:28:14 pm
Even as a giant flowering tree? I only want to spread flowers everywhere I go... :P
Post by: ~Neri on July 13, 2015, 09:30:01 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 14, 2015, 06:12:58 am
Don't worry everyone! Nilva has plans~Doesn't she always?
Post by: Jbg97 on July 14, 2015, 01:15:18 pm
Don't worry everyone! Nilva has plans~Somebody's gonna hurt somebody
Before the night is through
Somebody's gonna come undone
There's nothing we can do.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 02:13:28 pm
Utther's free. Isn't he. Sigh.Don't worry everyone! Nilva has plans~Somebody's gonna hurt somebody
Before the night is through
Somebody's gonna come undone
There's nothing we can do.
Post by: ~Neri on July 14, 2015, 02:30:58 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 02:55:07 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 14, 2015, 03:14:03 pm
I'm already dead, aren't I. Blast it. If I die next tick, I'm putting a full reveal of what I know here. Suffice it to say I believe Utther and Mavnon are working together, as the Dark Gods.
I realy thought that this as kinda given. Since y'now, gods of destruction and conflict and all.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 03:35:13 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 03:36:04 pm
... blast it. Waitaminute. Excuse me.
what? ???
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 03:41:05 pm
... hold on. 2 gods versus... over 10? 7 or so? I'm still going to shield myself, but I'm not sure if Utther and Mavnon are going to be subtle or dramatically overkill.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 14, 2015, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 03:50:44 pm
I'm shielding myself from divine attacks using any remaining power I have. Stuff is going to explode next turn. And I don't want to explode.
... hold on. 2 gods versus... over 10? 7 or so? I'm still going to shield myself, but I'm not sure if Utther and Mavnon are going to be subtle or dramatically overkill.
Oh right, everyone should probably do the same. I took a few measures a while ago because I knew I was going to be a target soon enough. Let's just say that whoever tries to mess with Lithus/Luthus is going to have a really bad surprise... >:D
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 03:51:39 pm
Why would they attack you?Goddess of conflict and god of destruction. Trying to turn the game into Divine Mafia. And I've been trying to oppose them for much of the game.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 04:02:51 pm
Why would they attack you?Goddess of conflict and god of destruction. Trying to turn the game into Divine Mafia. And I've been trying to oppose them for much of the game.
So mavnon is a woman? I've been awkwardly trying to avoid using gender pronouns for a while because I couldn't remember whenever mavnon was a man or a woman. XP
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
Waitaminute, you made the character list. You could have just looked back there.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 04:06:28 pm
Yeah, I think Mavnon is female.
Waitaminute, you made the character list. You could have just looked back there.
I didn't think it would be mentioned there. Looking at it, mavnon is apparently referred as "he/she" -____-
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 04:07:44 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 14, 2015, 04:20:46 pm
Agh, she's brothers with Yaos. ((From the Warrens of Oric the Awesome))Pfffhahahano.
Nilva however does class as that.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 04:28:26 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 14, 2015, 06:04:43 pm
Did the silicon based lifeform modification apply to the Maag-wolves?
Since having hybrid forms between a silicon and a carbon lifeform kinda sounds weird.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 06:11:19 pm
I just thought of something.
Did the silicon based lifeform modification apply to the Maag-wolves?
Since having hybrid forms between a silicon and a carbon lifeform kinda sounds weird.
They were already silicon based since their creation, the change was for the Saag, Yaag and Kaag.
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 06:38:13 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 06:39:01 pm
Can Lithus/Luthus be separated without killing them?
What do you mean exactly?
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 06:40:31 pm
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 06:47:56 pm
Why would they attack you?Goddess of conflict and god of destruction. Trying to turn the game into Divine Mafia. And I've been trying to oppose them for much of the game.
Opposing? So you're saying that that blatant lie with Gai-Gen and Mavnon at the start of the game is true? Also, you know you can still call in that favour right?
Why would they attack you?Goddess of conflict and god of destruction. Trying to turn the game into Divine Mafia. And I've been trying to oppose them for much of the game.
So mavnon is a woman? I've been awkwardly trying to avoid using gender pronouns for a while because I couldn't remember whenever mavnon was a man or a woman. XP
Mavnon doesn't care for gender or sex at all; she is a god after all.
EDIT: If two gods fight, how does it work? To they just subtract crux from one another and whoever has the most wins?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 07:11:42 pm
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 07:15:14 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 14, 2015, 07:15:49 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 14, 2015, 07:35:38 pm
EDIT: If two gods fight, how does it work? To they just subtract crux from one another and whoever has the most wins?
Gods, without specialized weapons, would fight *about* the same way as what happened in the sparing matches. If in a Battle, each roll would have represented one turn. The Loser(s) are temporarily Disabled, generally long enough for the Winner to accomplish whatever their goal was, in addition to other effects. Weaponless Gods are unable to harm each others Crux without intense effort.
At least, that is what I am saying publicly :P. This information may or may not be actually true.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 14, 2015, 07:37:23 pm
Well, if it's a fight with Skolld, if Skolld gets the first hit, he'll most probably win, just because you can't win if you can't move.EDIT: If two gods fight, how does it work? To they just subtract crux from one another and whoever has the most wins?
Gods, without specialized weapons, would fight *about* the same way as what happened in the sparing matches. If in a Battle, each roll would have represented one turn. The Loser(s) are temporarily Disabled, generally long enough for the Winner to accomplish whatever their goal was, in addition to other effects. Weaponless Gods are unable to harm each others Crux without intense effort.
At least, that is what I am saying publicly :P. This information may or may not be actually true.
Or at least that's how I consider it.
Post by: Stirk on July 14, 2015, 07:41:41 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 14, 2015, 07:44:21 pm
To clarify *more*, that is without weapons or with non-God-quality weapons. Beating a God to death with the equivalent of your fists is unimaginably difficult. God-quality weapons have a chance to damage Crux with each attack, rising with their power. A fight with capable weapons would go differently then one without.Well, I guess I used the wrong terminology.
Skolld would never lose, as he's the god of Binding and Bone, he can keep moving for longer than the enemy.
Though if gods teamed up against him, he'd be screwed. He's not the guy for alliances.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 14, 2015, 07:47:45 pm
I'm shielding myself from divine attacks using any remaining power I have. Stuff is going to explode next turn. And I don't want to explode.Wait, wut?
... hold on. 2 gods versus... over 10? 7 or so? I'm still going to shield myself, but I'm not sure if Utther and Mavnon are going to be subtle or dramatically overkill.
Unless some computer virus got caught in an Utther post and somehow developed the Utther personality, and began making posts for me, I dont have anything to do with any god killing.
Not yet at least.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 14, 2015, 07:52:06 pm
I'm shielding myself from divine attacks using any remaining power I have. Stuff is going to explode next turn. And I don't want to explode.Wait, wut?
... hold on. 2 gods versus... over 10? 7 or so? I'm still going to shield myself, but I'm not sure if Utther and Mavnon are going to be subtle or dramatically overkill.
Unless some computer virus got caught in an Utther post and somehow developed the Utther personality, and began making posts for me, I dont have anything to do with any god killing.
Not yet at least.
He's talking about Utther's many thinly veiled death threats at pretty much everyone from around the time he got bound to a mortal body.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 14, 2015, 07:52:51 pm
Post by: Andres on July 14, 2015, 08:18:03 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 14, 2015, 08:32:03 pm
I'm sure you've noticed by now but you seem to have misspelled WAAAAAGH! when you put the H after the W instead of the G.Shhhhh!
You'll summon the lawyers if you dont spell it differently!
Post by: Happy Demon on July 14, 2015, 08:48:42 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 14, 2015, 11:01:55 pm
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 11:04:15 pm
spinning jenny
Post by: Andres on July 14, 2015, 11:04:23 pm
Post by: micelus on July 14, 2015, 11:57:12 pm
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 12:30:07 am
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 12:34:30 am
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 12:38:26 am
I'm just gonna guess now that Aurosseu is evil and Nilva is good.
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 12:40:40 am
Auro from what I have seen is mostly focused on dreams.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 12:42:15 am
I really should have been doing more research or something. I wanted to reveal a secret weapon or something now but I don't actually have one besides the stuff that's not done yet. :/
EDIT: Teburshe is rather annoyed at all this commotion and nothing actually being very clear.
I suppose I'm gonna be makin' use of my secondary sphere pretty soon.
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 12:43:53 am
No, no, it's IcyTea, Aurosseu being secretly evil is a fairly good assumption.Nilva has.. At least two of what could be classed under gamechangers and a third one in production with a fourth one planned. The first two aren't even finished yet. They're functional though.
I really should have been doing more research or something. I wanted to reveal a secret weapon or something now but I don't actually have one besides the stuff that's not done yet. :/
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 12:45:31 am
My nature just means it's gonna take some time.
Like a lot of goddamn time. On the other hand, I'm the God of Growth.
Time is on my side. Usually.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 01:08:14 am
OR IS HE
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 01:14:57 am
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 01:30:55 am
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 01:49:55 am
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 01:56:13 am
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 01:58:55 am
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 15, 2015, 02:10:10 am
Everyone automatically assumes pantheon = in secret evil league with each other. I honestly don't know why people keep calling me a snake and a liar :(
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 02:13:40 am
The reason Nilva dislikes Micelus's character is because she's directly harmful to life, even when she could chose not to be. She's also been aggressive and manipulative.
Andres's character in Nilva's head is basically the equivalent of an overreactive teenage girl. That's what she acts like. Has minor subtlety but much too easy to manipulate.
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 02:16:51 am
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 02:48:16 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 02:53:47 am
So by Void King I'm assuming you mean the king of the NK, Demon?Yep, since Void King is much more descriptive of his current status.
Wont be for long though.
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 03:11:55 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 04:25:22 am
If the king is truly the king of the nothing cult, then he's the void king.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 15, 2015, 05:50:31 am
Truly, he is the King Lear of this game.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 05:58:02 am
Alas, is poor Utther the only truly innocent person in all this?No he isn't, he killed off the leaders.
Truly, he is the King Lear of this game.
I don't see Skolld doing anything like that, in fact, he's working to prevent regicide.
Post by: Stirk on July 15, 2015, 07:45:46 am
Hey Stirk, I think it's wise to postpone the battle turn until everyone's had a chance to respond to all this. There might not even be a battle once all is said and done.
That is highly unlikely. Even if Lithus/Luthus calls off his attack, the New King would still advance. And people have already done Battle Actions anyway.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 15, 2015, 07:49:41 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 07:54:29 am
I just read the whole thing, and who the hell is the bad guy now? Too many layers of lies and subplots X__X
I need to know that before I do anything.
Hey Stirk, I think it's wise to postpone the battle turn until everyone's had a chance to respond to all this. There might not even be a battle once all is said and done.
That is highly unlikely. Even if Lithus/Luthus calls off his attack, the New King would still advance. And people have already done Battle Actions anyway.
Wait, the new king is in the battlefield?? And beside, skolld is preventing my character from fighting.
Post by: Stirk on July 15, 2015, 08:06:32 am
Wait, stirk, are you allready writing the battle tick?
You know I am not.
Oh great, what did I just wake up to?
I just read the whole thing, and who the hell is the bad guy now? Too many layers of lies and subplots X__X
I need to know that before I do anything.Hey Stirk, I think it's wise to postpone the battle turn until everyone's had a chance to respond to all this. There might not even be a battle once all is said and done.
That is highly unlikely. Even if Lithus/Luthus calls off his attack, the New King would still advance. And people have already done Battle Actions anyway.
Wait, the new king is in the battlefield?? And beside, skolld is preventing my character from fighting.
I have no clue anymore, and that action only effects Turn 1 of the battle. Even then, you still control the Aag armies.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 08:19:16 am
who the hell is the bad guy now?You know, that question is practically impossible to answer correctly. Grey and gray morality all over, as well as blue and orange. Even if they were possible to be defined, the perceived roles of each god differ by perspective. For example, Aurosseu sees Li/uthus far down the slippery slope...of sanity. By Hanlon's Razor, he doesn't think they're evil, just being a pair of silly sods.
Still planning my actions, but Aurosseu probably won't participate in the battle.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 15, 2015, 08:23:53 am
Wait, the new king is in the battlefield?? And beside, skolld is preventing my character from fighting.Skolld is doing something to the King, and considering he's binding you, he's probably binding him as well. Since the actions of the other gods haven't been retracted, it seems like it will be just the armies fighting, because literally everyone important is either hiding, bound, or binding.
It's a giant game of "hold me back, bro"
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 08:26:14 am
...I really need another cup of coffee. X___X
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 15, 2015, 08:27:48 am
May or may not be lies:
1)New kingdom are mostly built from eldrich stuff from beyond the universe, the passageway to there opened accidentially by god of magic.
2)Uther has split himself in two to harvest both knowlege of Divine Library and power of the labyrinth.
3)Teburshe wants to create a new universe and escape into it
Certainly not lies:
1)I am going to stab evryone involved in invading Divine Library
I just need to know if that void king stuff is real, mavnon talked about a ruse being over to patronius and I have no idea what it is exactly supposed to encompass, since I can't find on what the claim is based. I've also seen andres say here that mavnon went from villain to good all along to evil again, but at the same time skolld is not changing his plans.
...I really need another cup of coffee. X___X
You could cut a few soldiers open and see if Nothing starts leaking out.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 08:34:27 am
Also, thanks for helping. It's really appreciated :)
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 08:37:25 am
I just need to know if that void king stuff is real, mavnon talked about a ruse being over to patronius and I have no idea what it is exactly supposed to encompass, since I can't find on what the claim is based. I've also seen andres say here that mavnon went from villain to good all along to evil again, but at the same time skolld is not changing his plans.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6374428#msg6374428
...I really need another cup of coffee. X___X
You may also want to read the post directly after and the posts preceding that one.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 08:38:21 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 08:47:27 am
I just need to know if that void king stuff is real, mavnon talked about a ruse being over to patronius and I have no idea what it is exactly supposed to encompass, since I can't find on what the claim is based. I've also seen andres say here that mavnon went from villain to good all along to evil again, but at the same time skolld is not changing his plans.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6374428#msg6374428
...I really need another cup of coffee. X___X
You may also want to read the post directly after and the posts preceding that one.
Oh right, I might have half skipped that one without realizing, thanks for bringing that up, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 09:22:20 am
Realization: Mavnon is the Cim of this game. Well done, micelus.
Look at my avatar. Look at my spheres. Search up every mention of the word 'Change' in the IC thread. Cringe at my lack of subtlety.
EDIT: Also, Vivec.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 09:23:10 am
He's binding the legs of the granite titan (bind in place), and reinforcing it.
He's binding every armored New Kingdom soldier so they can't move.
He's going to bind the Void King as well.
Not to mention he could have another enemy god if he finds out Skolld's tampering.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 09:26:48 am
Well, Skolld would be straining his power here.
He's binding the legs of the granite titan (bind in place), and reinforcing it.
He's binding every armored New Kingdom soldier so they can't move.
He's going to bind the Void King as well.
Not to mention he could have another enemy god if he finds out Skolld's tampering.
That granite titan is also a god, just so you know. :P
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 09:32:46 am
Yeah, I know, I just can't be bothered to learn the names of your gods.Well, Skolld would be straining his power here.
He's binding the legs of the granite titan (bind in place), and reinforcing it.
He's binding every armored New Kingdom soldier so they can't move.
He's going to bind the Void King as well.
Not to mention he could have another enemy god if he finds out Skolld's tampering.
That granite titan is also a god, just so you know. :P
No offense.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 09:39:52 am
Yeah, I know, I just can't be bothered to learn the names of your gods.Well, Skolld would be straining his power here.
He's binding the legs of the granite titan (bind in place), and reinforcing it.
He's binding every armored New Kingdom soldier so they can't move.
He's going to bind the Void King as well.
Not to mention he could have another enemy god if he finds out Skolld's tampering.
That granite titan is also a god, just so you know. :P
No offense.
No offense taken, I had the same problem in the previous iterations of the game (That's also partially why I made the list in this one). You can probably cancel his binding if you're running low, the soldiers were revealed to be empty husks in the IC thread so there's no real harm in destroying them.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 09:42:48 am
Empty husks means open containers.Yeah, I know, I just can't be bothered to learn the names of your gods.Well, Skolld would be straining his power here.
He's binding the legs of the granite titan (bind in place), and reinforcing it.
He's binding every armored New Kingdom soldier so they can't move.
He's going to bind the Void King as well.
Not to mention he could have another enemy god if he finds out Skolld's tampering.
That granite titan is also a god, just so you know. :P
No offense.
No offense taken, I had the same problem in the previous iterations of the game (That's also partially why I made the list in this one). You can probably cancel his binding if you're running low, the soldiers were revealed to be empty husks in the IC thread so there's no real harm in destroying them.
If Skolld succeeds in his actions, they'll be people again.
Worst thing that happens is an elemental golem army, controlled by either Skolld or the Cursed Ones.
Also, I always put the name of the god in the posts, as that's the best way I can think of to make people remember the name.
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 11:01:50 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 11:02:12 am
Secretive god who employs various methods of manipulation to turn it all into a confusing puppet show. Sphere so broad, it gives them lots of power to achieve this. Mavnon or Cim?
The Man with a Plan, but it goes wrong when others don't co-operate due to their personality. Goes protectively ax crazy. Li/uthus or Fusil?
Fervent idealist who ends up in arguments due to it, but still gets shit done, so to say. Teburshe or Yaos?
Silly god who manages to set up a good foundation of power while others bicker and mostly ignore them. Nilva or KI'Tork?
Masochistic god who bestows mixed blessings upon their followers, yet succeeds in most of their plans as nobody cares enough to stop them. Skolld or Melyssa?
God who creates a powerful source of information that goes underused. 'Sevron or Serac?
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 11:08:55 am
Post by: Jbg97 on July 15, 2015, 11:31:10 am
It's time to play Guess That God, a.k.a. History Repeats Itself!I feel hurt at being left out.
Secretive god who employs various methods of manipulation to turn it all into a confusing puppet show. Sphere so broad, it gives them lots of power to achieve this. Mavnon or Cim?
The Man with a Plan, but it goes wrong when others don't co-operate due to their personality. Goes protectively ax crazy. Li/uthus or Fusil?
Fervent idealist who ends up in arguments due to it, but still gets shit done, so to say. Teburshe or Yaos?
Silly god who manages to set up a good foundation of power while others bicker and mostly ignore them. Nilva or KI'Tork?
Masochistic god who bestows mixed blessings upon their followers, yet succeeds in most of their plans as nobody cares enough to stop them. Skolld or Melyssa?
God who creates a powerful source of information that goes underused. 'Sevron or Serac?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 11:44:38 am
Post by: gman8181 on July 15, 2015, 12:47:01 pm
Verruckt too!
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 01:32:55 pm
I have a feeling Aurosseu is going to become the Grauel of this game, but history hasn't repeated itself yet on that part.
Post by: Stirk on July 15, 2015, 01:34:35 pm
God who inspires mortals to become great, hosting various attractions to find particularly gifted mortals to reward further. Verruckt or Artisanii?
I have a feeling Aurosseu is going to become the Grauel of this game, but history hasn't repeated itself yet on that part.
Hehe, you don't know enough about the Grauel of last game to be the Grauel of this one :P.
Post by: ~Neri on July 15, 2015, 01:37:58 pm
Post by: Vgray on July 15, 2015, 01:59:04 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 02:20:24 pm
Hehe, you don't know enough about the Grauel of last game to be the Grauel of this one :P.I beg to differ. You don't know enough about me or Cim to know how much I know about Grauel. We'll see if Aurosseu follows in his footsteps. And even if he doesn't, there is in fact another god doing so, knowingly or not, whom I won't reveal OOC.
I guess Azem is unique in his laziness.Azem's history is similar to Grauel's in that it will take a long time. It'll probably repeat itself sooner or later, but I can't think of any god heading towards it.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 15, 2015, 02:44:01 pm
He flat out curses people, no sugar coating or tricking, he just picks a random unlucky sod and forces his curse onto them.
The closest to a blessing is the transforming of the Cursed Wolves, but they're already cursed by being Cursed Wolves, so you can't really call it a blessing.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 02:52:00 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 03:09:25 pm
-Mavnon,
-Fusil, (I don't think Li/uthus has gone irrevocably mad yet)
-Yaos,
-Nilva,
-Skolld
-'servon, (did anyone ever tried to use his thingy since it was found that secrets are unreadable?)
-Fusil,
-Verruckt.
I missed most of the original ye gods, so I'm most likely wrong on half of these.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 03:13:41 pm
Granted, that was because they were focused on Fusil and dying, but still.
Plus, Teburshe really hasn't gotten to much done under the last couple of ticks, I feel like.
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 03:55:08 pm
-Li/uthus. Fusil never really went insane but cooperation was never an issue for him, mostly because he never relied on the cooperation of others.
-Teburshe. Yaos wasn't an idealist.
-Nilva. A few people picked on KI'Tork, including Fusil I think.
-Melyssa. Melyssa is masochistic while Skolld is sadistic.
-I don't know who Serac and Sevron are or what they did. If Serac was the ice god in Ye Gods, he did nothing of importance when it came to information. It was Artisanii who created the Divine Library and his university was second to Yaos', their only accomplishment being an irreproducible nuke.
Post by: Ama on July 15, 2015, 04:00:04 pm
-I don't know who Serac and Sevron are or what they did. If Serac was the ice god in Ye Gods, he did nothing of importance when it came to information. It was Artisanii who created the Divine Library and his university was second to Yaos', their only accomplishment being an irreproducible nuke.Neron was the ice god and he created NUKE who then built their on magical nukes.
Serac was an ocean god who created a temple to the void and made several dealings with void beings.
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 04:04:01 pm
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 07:39:16 pm
Cows=used as power source=power source can be used violently=nuclear energy=nukes!
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 07:48:29 pm
Oh god. Cows are nukes.
Cows=used as power source=power source can be used violently=nuclear energy=nukes!
come on micelus, that stuff is for the IC thread.
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 07:52:39 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 07:54:29 pm
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 07:55:30 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 07:57:13 pm
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 07:57:42 pm
EDIT: Added in one more part to that portal edit.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 08:06:28 pm
You might want to edit your posts accordingly. The thing on the portals was there before your investigation post, just so you know.
EDIT: Added in one more part to that portal edit.
Yes, that's why I added it in, I wouldn't be able to add it if I didn't knew about it. I'll edit my post.
Post by: Vgray on July 15, 2015, 09:36:18 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 15, 2015, 09:36:48 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 15, 2015, 09:38:28 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 09:53:31 pm
What's all this about legality Iliseth keeps going on about?
Did I miss something where we established laws or something like that?
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 09:56:38 pm
I don't get it...She's talking about the implied law. For example, if you were to attack a god for no reason, other gods would call foul and start thinking up punishments. They wouldn't call foul and punish you if you attacked the god because he declared war on you, genocided your people, and banned your religion.
What's all this about legality Iliseth keeps going on about?
Did I miss something where we established laws or something like that?
Post by: Vgray on July 15, 2015, 10:00:08 pm
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 10:08:29 pm
I thought the references to legality were reffering to Patronius' claims that Federick is king of the Great Tribe, and he doesn't order them around?That's actual law. She referred to both at different times for different things.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 10:12:31 pm
I mean, there was probably some pretext or another for the war, in mortal terms. Sure, everyone would know it was an attack for the sake of Conflict and imperialism.
Also, Andres, hundreds or thousands is not genocide. >.> Hundreds of thousands, maybe. Not hundreds or thousands. And your religion wasn't fully banned. Only mostly banned. :P
Although I really don't get why you people are starting wars and shit over banning your worship in your area. Or the loss of a few souls ((coughcoughrmmharmmm)), or whatever. Tiny fractions of power loss, considering how many people were probably worshipping you in an enemy god's territory anyway. You have to let some things slide. Hell, Teburshe is doing pretty damn well and he's barely been messing with his people. Well, other than just stuff like weather and he made them self-sufficient for that. And helping make sure they can expand, since they need his help for that. But stuff like behaviour and culture, they're mostly doing fine on their own.
Granted, part of this is because I know a little bit about Stirk (it's probably all wrong though, and given Mavnon/Liuthus's success, it seems a decent bet) and expected a 'hands-off' approach to be more favorable to him, but it's also just the way Teburshe is. He's kinda aloof for a god, or at least I try to play him that way.
Also, you're sorta right, but think of it like feudal Europe. Sure, fighting and killing the armies and taking the land and maybe some burning and pillaging and raping (sorry but it happened, don't like it but it's true) is fine according to the general law of the land and other rulers if some dick attacks you. But if you just start trying to assassinate the monarch, everyone's gonna be pissed. It also depends entirely on what you consider a 'good reason'.
Oh, and about Sapling cities; in case it wasn't clear to anyone for some reason, Sapling cities are the Great Trees. They probably have towns, even some pretty damn big ones maybe, outside of the Great Trees, and it's possible they have some cities other than them...I just find it unlikely. There's probably some living outside of Sapling territory, though.
Speaking of which! Who would objec to/who would be alright with me establishing Sapling enclaves in other countries with Great Trees? There would be some jurisdictional stuff, but I get the feeling having a group of exceedingly good farmers with magic plants (and I've only just begin with those) is helpful to most countries. They would obviously remain neutral in any wars the country joined.... oh and the tree would probably be dedicated to the god of the country/area they're in and as such have more powers in that regard, have a good portion of the Saplings worshipping that god as well or at least paying homage to them, and serve as a representative in the Arboreal Council.
I should probably give them limited communication with each other for that Arboreal Council at some point...oh Izgamlooooo~
Post by: Vgray on July 15, 2015, 10:23:06 pm
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 10:30:20 pm
Also, Andres, hundreds or thousands is not genocide. >.> Hundreds of thousands, maybe. Not hundreds or thousands. And your religion wasn't fully banned. Only mostly banned. :PThey were just examples. He didn't genocide anyone, as far as I know, but he has killed plenty of Humans.
Also, you're sorta right, but think of it like feudal Europe. Sure, fighting and killing the armies and taking the land and maybe some burning and pillaging and raping (sorry but it happened, don't like it but it's true) is fine according to the general law of the land and other rulers if some dick attacks you. But if you just start trying to assassinate the monarch, everyone's gonna be pissed. It also depends entirely on what you consider a 'good reason'.I would say this is unlikely for multiple reasons. First of all, Stirk said that we were closer to ancient times tech. The current states are also nothing like they were in medieval times. Feudalism requires vassals which just aren't present in this world. The Aag are communist, the tribes are tribal, the Great Tribe seems less like feudal Europe and more like imperial Rome, the CRD are run by a council, etc. Also, states are very clearly defined in a similar way that modern-day nations are. It's not just property like it was in feudal Europe. War is most certainly not the general law of the land since the gods of each nation would be pretty upset if the other god started doing that. As for raping, rape does not exist in Litany of the Void and Ye Gods, assuming that's what you meant. There is no reason for it to exist and so it does not.
Post by: micelus on July 15, 2015, 10:32:25 pm
War however does seem to happen. Mavnon answered a prayer to a human tribal leader who was fighting another tribe.
Post by: Vgray on July 15, 2015, 10:35:39 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 10:43:00 pm
I wasn't saying this is Feudal Europe. Just that the gods are gonna act more like feudal kings than duelist people, with the Gods as the equivalent of monarchs.
Like seriously dude it's an analogy. Jesus.
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 10:47:10 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 10:49:05 pm
And then make a paragraph about how each thing is wrong.
It gets...bothersome. >.>
Wasn't trying to be mean. I thought you were maybe doing it on purpose to avoid what I was trying to say. I know people who do that.
It gets really annoying. >.>
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 11:15:26 pm
As for the paragraph thing, I just like responding to every point of my "opponents" to get my opinions across.
I've come across the same kind of people, but only rarely. Bay12 is actually a pretty good place.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 15, 2015, 11:23:56 pm
But anyway yeah the implied law is quite different between gods, that much is obvious. Teburshe really doesn't care if you go about killing a few mortals here and there as long as it doesn't muss up his trees. Iliseth would, from what I know, have a god executed for killing ten innocents, if she could.
Which makes one wonder...who is really the bloodthirsty one? (:P obviously the God of Blood)
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 15, 2015, 11:25:28 pm
Cim. Mavnon isn't manipulating others to make particular choices, only makes their freely chosen choices meaningless. That's not a puppet show.
Fusil. The lack of co-operation with Li/uthus is not due to personality.
Yaos. Fixation on anime and WH40K references. Teburshe is much more pragmatic.
Nilva. KI'Tork was not in fact ignored, but made fun of and underestimated.
Melyssa. As said, Skolld isn't actually masochistic.
'Sevron. Serac's Oracle did see occasional use, especially relating to Void matters, while 'Sevron's history slab has been ignored.
Utther. While Fusil's silencing was harsh, I wouldn't deem it cruel. It didn't actually take him out of the game, for one.
Artisanii. So far, Verruckt only has the Dungeon, not "various" attractions.
Post by: Andres on July 15, 2015, 11:43:32 pm
Utther. While Fusil's silencing was harsh, I wouldn't deem it cruel. It didn't actually take him out of the game, for one.Didn't we burn Fusil to death inside the sun?
Round 2! Round 2!
Post by: Jbg97 on July 16, 2015, 12:12:33 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 16, 2015, 12:15:32 am
Conspiracy to commit deicide, as well.
Conspiracy to destroy the universe, probably, too.
Post by: gman8181 on July 16, 2015, 12:21:48 am
Verruckt goes around finding orphans, bringing them back to the dungeon and training them as adventurers. When they become adults, they are to found an organization dedicated to taking in orphans and other people without family and training them as adventurers.
Verruckt also visits settlements of various races, telling them about evolution orbs and the benefits of becoming an adventurer.
Finally Verruckt encourages several existing, talented adventurers to go out and create guilds across the lands to foster a more elaborate adventuring community. He pays them if necessary.
(Adventurer guilds already exist)
Yeah, just figured I try and get some more set up. The more the merrier or whatever. Besides, I don't think I have much of a follower base since I never created a species for myself.
Edit: Wait... is this just me running out of ideas already?!?
Post by: Detoxicated on July 16, 2015, 06:03:28 am
The space clan will be advised to let some saplings in, obiously those beings should dedicate a portion of their lives to the exploration and understanding of space.
Speaking of which! Who would objec to/who would be alright with me establishing Sapling enclaves in other countries with Great Trees? There would be some jurisdictional stuff, but I get the feeling having a group of exceedingly good farmers with magic plants (and I've only just begin with those) is helpful to most countries. They would obviously remain neutral in any wars the country joined.... oh and the tree would probably be dedicated to the god of the country/area they're in and as such have more powers in that regard, have a good portion of the Saplings worshipping that god as well or at least paying homage to them, and serve as a representative in the Arboreal Council.
I should probably give them limited communication with each other for that Arboreal Council at some point...oh Izgamlooooo~
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 16, 2015, 08:00:21 am
I'm still confused, what has Utther done to deserve being killed this time? Seems like everyone thinks he's been working with Mavnon, but no one seems to have any crimes to try him with.
Just as rolepgeek said, mostly plans to end the world and working with the new kingdom, along with cooperation with mavnon.
Post by: Detoxicated on July 16, 2015, 08:16:52 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 16, 2015, 08:23:47 am
How is the New Kingdom breaking the law though?
The new kingdom's king is some sort of void being plotting to corrupt a god instead of being an actual revolutionary against gods apparently.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 16, 2015, 12:40:39 pm
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Post by: IcyTea31 on July 16, 2015, 01:53:59 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 16, 2015, 01:56:54 pm
Post by: Vgray on July 17, 2015, 12:45:08 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 06:54:04 am
On one hand, he helps people, even if indirectly.
On the other, he doesn't really help them in the way they want.
There's not really anything to worship him over.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 17, 2015, 11:43:25 am
I'm not sure if Skolld is actually worshiped.Hm. At least Gai-gen spreads technology. Hopefully the Machine Priests will help with that.
On one hand, he helps people, even if indirectly.
On the other, he doesn't really help them in the way they want.
There's not really anything to worship him over.
Yeah, you need your own sapient race.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 11:59:53 am
Well, I still have to get the price for it. I don't want to accidentally kill Skolld in the making of the race.I'm not sure if Skolld is actually worshiped.Hm. At least Gai-gen spreads technology. Hopefully the Machine Priests will help with that.
On one hand, he helps people, even if indirectly.
On the other, he doesn't really help them in the way they want.
There's not really anything to worship him over.
Yeah, you need your own sapient race.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 17, 2015, 01:45:26 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:04:02 pm
Skolld is in a Pantheon with five other gods. Making a new race shouldn't be a problem to him, if he knows to press the right buttons.You're implying Skolld would rely on others.
He created Shamanism by himself.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 17, 2015, 02:09:35 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:11:31 pm
The whole point of a pantheon is to boost its members' capabilities by them working together and relying on each other. It's no shame to ask for help, ever.Yet Skolld never takes advantage of that, the only advantage is naming the pantheon.
Also, this is the guy who'd make a tower even if it ends up as a pile of chains and bone.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 17, 2015, 02:14:36 pm
IT'S HAPPENING
GOD WAR NOW
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 17, 2015, 02:15:09 pm
But he can't really say anything because he feels it best not to antagonise his ally further when he's already in a bad mood.
But yeah basically Liuthus looks like he's throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way to Teburshe.
Why is Skolld such a loner, again?
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:18:08 pm
Teburshe is rather embarassed by his Pantheon at the moment...Skolld is not a people person, the only reason he joined the pantheon was due to Nilva asking him.
But he can't really say anything because he feels it best not to antagonise his ally further when he's already in a bad mood.
But yeah basically Liuthus looks like he's throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way to Teburshe.
Why is Skolld such a loner, again?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 02:29:21 pm
But yeah basically Liuthus looks like he's throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way to Teburshe.
Whaaaaat? Did you really read my posts? He's mad because no one cared to do anything about mavnon and co, and did what he just did because she pretty much completely ignored everything he just said.
Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 02:32:42 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:35:11 pm
Nilva's gotta get Skol to socialize more~NEVAH!
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 17, 2015, 02:35:47 pm
Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.You have a funny definition of "neutral". Really, I cracked up.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:38:10 pm
Which gods are good and which are evil? And how much good or evil are the gods?Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.You have a funny definition of "neutral". Really, I cracked up.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 02:38:19 pm
Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.You have a funny definition of "neutral". Really, I cracked up.
Which gods are good and which are evil? And how much good or evil are the gods?Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.You have a funny definition of "neutral". Really, I cracked up.
Neutral on the issue about mavnon, A.K.A anyone who didn't do anything.
Edit: because ninja
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 02:39:47 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on July 17, 2015, 02:40:30 pm
Nilva's alignment is chaotic blue with a few ribbons tied to it.So... neutral?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 17, 2015, 02:41:43 pm
Neutral on the issue about mavnon, A.K.A anyone who didn't do anything.A.K.A. nobody
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 02:42:30 pm
Neutral on the issue about mavnon, A.K.A anyone who didn't do anything.A.K.A. nobody
Publicly. I know most people do their stuff in secret, but that doesn't matter on this issue.
Post by: Vgray on July 17, 2015, 02:44:50 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 02:53:47 pm
Post by: Vgray on July 17, 2015, 03:05:30 pm
Meanwhile, he can only shake his head at what he perceives as the naivety of his kin, his dreams of godly kinship and unity even further away.
Allow me to quickly clarify something, Uztot is more upset that the gods don't have a strong clear united voice than over Utther and Mavnon not being punished. Note I said 'more upset' not 'not upset'.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 03:15:48 pm
Uztot shakes his head sadly at the assembled gods.
"I hope you remember this well my Kin. The wrath of the blood gods will not be held back this time. We acted with more than enough dignity and honor in this affair. We turned to the judgement of our Kin and none came. Blame yourselves for what comes next. Know that you have set this precedent. You have disgraced the power and authority of the Divine and forced us to play by your own selfish rules."
I don't blame you rolepgeek or anyone else for misunderstanding. Blame my mediocre English and general disability at expressing my thoughts properly for that. Same thing for this neutrality thing.
Post by: Vgray on July 17, 2015, 03:22:05 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 17, 2015, 03:52:51 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 03:59:22 pm
Still wondering what insidious, secretive plans Nilva has been putting into action.They may or may not involve potatoe with :D drawn on them. They also aren't sinister.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 17, 2015, 04:06:53 pm
Yeah, I did. And there isn't really any 'evidence' of anything.But yeah basically Liuthus looks like he's throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way to Teburshe.
Whaaaaat? Did you really read my posts? He's mad because no one cared to do anything about mavnon and co, and did what he just did because she pretty much completely ignored everything he just said.
Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.
Hell, Teburshe suggested punishment, fairly harsh punishment for Utther at that, but no one listened to that either.
Plus, a lot of people just aren't active, it seems. Though, I do want to respond, Teburshe is just sick of having to try and talk down people who refuse to listen.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 17, 2015, 04:11:35 pm
Isn't that what Russia said about it's plans with the Ukraine?Still wondering what insidious, secretive plans Nilva has been putting into action.They also aren't sinister.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 04:14:02 pm
Putin stole my idea? He must be purged.Isn't that what Russia said about it's plans with the Ukraine?Still wondering what insidious, secretive plans Nilva has been putting into action.They also aren't sinister.
Post by: Stirk on July 17, 2015, 04:16:47 pm
To further further clarify Godly actions, I forgot to mention that Power based attacks can also damage Crux, with a chance to damage greater than that of normal Weapons. Power-made weapons work as normal.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 04:19:04 pm
Yeah, I did. And there isn't really any 'evidence' of anything.But yeah basically Liuthus looks like he's throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way to Teburshe.
Whaaaaat? Did you really read my posts? He's mad because no one cared to do anything about mavnon and co, and did what he just did because she pretty much completely ignored everything he just said.
Honestly he doesn't care about Teburshe anymore than the other neutral gods at this point.
Hell, Teburshe suggested punishment, fairly harsh punishment for Utther at that, but no one listened to that either.
Plus, a lot of people just aren't active, it seems. Though, I do want to respond, Teburshe is just sick of having to try and talk down people who refuse to listen.
Wait, the reason why I was disagreeing here is because you said Lithus is throwing a tantrum because Teburshe don't agree with him (while in fact it's one of the thing he cares the least about from this event), not because I think your character is wrong on his choice (that's an entirely different debate, one for the IC thread or PMs).
I just want to be sure that there's no misunderstanding here.
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 05:05:18 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 05:08:04 pm
Does anyone mind if I make a map of the fragments?
I'd love to see that actually.
Post by: Stirk on July 17, 2015, 05:10:01 pm
Does anyone mind if I make a map of the fragments?
Go ahead, though it may or may not be canon.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 05:12:53 pm
I think a drawing of all the gods in a group would be interesting as well if someone ends up doing that.
Post by: Andres on July 17, 2015, 05:42:37 pm
Whaaaaat? Did you really read my posts? He's mad because no one cared to do anything about mavnon and co, and did what he just did because she pretty much completely ignored everything he just said.There's a reason or that. You said, and I quote, "The next person who bothers me loses a thousand worshippers." I'll see if I can find the actual quote.
EDIT:
Now everyone leave me alone. Next one to bother me loose a thousand worshipers.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 05:48:26 pm
Whaaaaat? Did you really read my posts? He's mad because no one cared to do anything about mavnon and co, and did what he just did because she pretty much completely ignored everything he just said.There's a reason or that. You said, and I quote, "The next person who bothers me loses a thousand worshippers." I'll see if I can find the actual quote.
Yes, but I said that after it was apparent that no one would do anything, and because of that specific reason.
Go ahead.
I think a drawing of all the gods in a group would be interesting as well if someone ends up doing that.
I'm already drawing a few people's god right now, maybe I could give it a try after. Some of them might be hard to draw though.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 05:50:09 pm
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 05:50:28 pm
F1: Sapling homelands, main human lands (independents), Rilem, Main dwarven lands, New Kingdom conquests
F2: New Kingdom homelands, Dwarf/human lands
F3: Aag Nation, New Kingdom, Great Tribe homelands
'Minor' races can probably be sprinkled around each fragment and may or may not be canon.
And just to show an example of what the map will look like (http://imgur.com/RE3yBQu). That took ~5 mins btw and is of a small island somewhere in Fragment 3. An orcish migration has recently seen the once-human landmass in conflict with the invaders.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 05:54:18 pm
Post by: DontBanTheMan on July 17, 2015, 06:08:36 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 06:13:47 pm
Edit:
Ooh~ Which ones?
Currently drawing Illiseth for andres (and this one might take a while because I can't seem to get the face and hair right), and then I have Uztot in war mode to do for Vgray, I also have a few other drawings to do and then I plan to redraw mine because I decided to change their style (Luthus, for example would look like the granite golem he turned into earlier)
After that I'll see if I can get a group drawing done.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 17, 2015, 06:17:51 pm
And FArg, no, I was saying that Teburshe thinks Luthus is throwing a fit/tantrum because Mavnon didn't get punished. So I think we're in sync.
Also, I was gonna say something last night or so but I was tired and was gonna do it today until you posted that warning, actually. :P
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 06:32:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 17, 2015, 06:43:17 pm
Here's a draft for Fragment 1. Tell me if there's anything horrible wrong with it (those blocks at the bottom are a known error)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Damn that looks beautiful.
EDDIT: Kinda makes the world look increadibly small though.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 07:16:13 pm
Here's a draft for Fragment 1. Tell me if there's anything horrible wrong with it (those blocks at the bottom are a known error)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Great work, even though I'd make the map more rectangular since the worlds are torus fragments, which would make each of them some sort of long bent cylinder.
Post by: Andres on July 17, 2015, 07:18:49 pm
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 07:22:53 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 17, 2015, 07:27:39 pm
He meant the map representation would look look rectangular.
I do like the name you came up with for the Saplings, if that's what the Great Woods are.
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 07:28:12 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 17, 2015, 07:29:43 pm
And don't forget the oceans! :P
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 17, 2015, 07:30:45 pm
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 07:33:24 pm
Also Farg: will the doomdsday weapon cause any fallout to the surrounding area? I'd like to show that on the map if it does.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 08:05:29 pm
Yup I'll put some oceans down. Also realised that the world wraps around on its Y-axis so need to make a few changes here and there.
Also Farg: will the doomdsday weapon cause any fallout to the surrounding area? I'd like to show that on the map if it does.
I wouldn't expect any fallout (or maybe I should add that? Thanks for the idea :P). It will probably leave a pretty big crater though.
And also, the way I imagined the worlds there would be the exposed mantle at the extremities of each fragment, if that can be of any help (and are you going to put the extremities north/south or east/west? If it's east/west I would put the Aag nation on the east edge instead of south).
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 10:53:30 pm
Anyway, map draft two. Wanted oceans? You got it. The Great Woods aren't as great as they used to be though...also I should really invest in naval technology >_>. This is probably the 'final' version unless someone has a problem with it (yes, that coastline in the south is terribly straight.)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
See that Blasted Isle over there? That's the city Lithus nuked :D.
EDIT: Actually I'll probably edit this once I finish the other fragments.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 17, 2015, 11:10:56 pm
The end result is quite different from how I imagined the worlds, but then again I was seeing it as a single interconnected piece of land. Three bits of almost identical (in term of climate) land in the same orbit is confusing, especially since they don't have any name and no one specified on which fragment their civilization was going to be put on at their creation. Maybe we should finally give them a name? Li/uthus is most likely not going to do that considering the current situation. Anyone wanna give it a try? Last attempt was kinda ignored.
Post by: ~Neri on July 17, 2015, 11:16:01 pm
Post by: micelus on July 17, 2015, 11:50:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I kinda realised halfway that most humans are ruled by the Great Tribe at this point so just imagine those yellow areas as very sparsely populated. Also, that little green island called the Droogan Dominate isn't probably canon but I needed to shove them somewhere since they don't seem nomadic or in small numbers.
The map looks a bit more Earthlike due to all the water. Please do tell if this is too much. Those brown areas in the middle of the map are exposed mantle.
Post by: Vgray on July 18, 2015, 12:05:16 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 18, 2015, 12:06:38 am
Also, looking back at the race/everything list Demonic spoon did, the divine library apparently doesn't have enough information on inventions to allow them to be replicated, which means that the IC thing about sending immortals to collect technological secrets wouldn't work.
Here's the post in question, the relevant bit is in the artifact section at the bottom:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6313753#msg6313753
Fakedit: was ninja'ed by the glorious fragment 2 map apparently. Only problem I can see is that one of the portal lead to itself according to it's name instead of the third fragment.
Post by: Andres on July 18, 2015, 12:09:25 am
These maps appear to lack places for Naiads to live.True, there don't seem to be any rivers.
Post by: micelus on July 18, 2015, 12:13:33 am
And about the Immortal Heist thing: I've cancelled the action (can't remember why) but I'd still send them in just for the precious literature.
Post by: Vgray on July 18, 2015, 12:22:25 am
I'm surprised he had any reason to ever visit a mountain spring to meet her actually...
Post by: ~Neri on July 18, 2015, 12:49:49 am
Post by: Stirk on July 18, 2015, 12:53:29 am
I once got a prayer from a Maag who's love was bound to a mountain spring.
I'm surprised he had any reason to ever visit a mountain spring to meet her actually...
Super-hot hotsprings are popular with the Maag, who often look for them in scenic mountains. Obviously, I didn't just write this right now.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 18, 2015, 02:34:46 am
Post by: Andres on July 18, 2015, 03:08:58 am
Well, these are continents. They'd have to be pretty big rivers to be visible.Just remember that due to being a toroid world, each of the fragments would be really thin on one axis and really long on another. Moreover, each fragment would represent 1/3 the size of Earth, meaning that some rivers you might not see on an Earth map you might see on a Fragment map.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 18, 2015, 03:34:01 am
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 18, 2015, 06:59:40 am
No, they ended up spinning, DreamerGhost. They're mostly evenly cooked. The outer part of the central arc and the inner part of the tips will be warmer and vice versa, probably, due to the way they'd be rotating, I believe, but still mostly even.
This should not work at all due to so many reasons. But then again, our sun is a rod.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 18, 2015, 07:32:34 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 18, 2015, 11:29:35 am
Pricecheck on a moon with a very thick atmosphere. Think of a gas giant but moon sized and with a solid core.
Pricecheck on the same thing if the entirety of the surface is covered by deep oceans, making the solid core much smaller.
and finally, Pricecheck on those two things if it is the same size as the chitin moon instead of the regular moon (It's smaller IIRC)
IIRC someone called the plan the Mindfuck Torus. It works, just go with it.
I believe that was before the whole thing tore itself apart. I wonder if it still works like that on the fragments.
Post by: Jbg97 on July 18, 2015, 03:26:57 pm
$$$Oi, you better be rebuilding Utther's lawn, or else you're just stealing his vacant lot.
Pricecheck on a moon with a very thick atmosphere. Think of a gas giant but moon sized and with a solid core.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 18, 2015, 08:08:40 pm
And B. that he wouldn't have a lawn if nothing existed?
Post by: Jbg97 on July 18, 2015, 08:59:05 pm
Does Utther ever consider the fact that A. he's trying to ruin everyone else's lawn, so really they're just striking preemptivelyNot really, he's generally too filled with all consuming rage nowadays to think of that.
And B. that he wouldn't have a lawn if nothing existed?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 18, 2015, 10:49:09 pm
$$$Oi, you better be rebuilding Utther's lawn, or else you're just stealing his vacant lot.
Pricecheck on a moon with a very thick atmosphere. Think of a gas giant but moon sized and with a solid core.
Pfft. There's plenty of space in... well space (hence the name), for everyone's moon. Besides, I doubt Li/uthus would be in the mood for that. He'd probably be more likely to use his mass destruction thingy on Utther if he were to bring it up.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 19, 2015, 06:39:21 pm
Post by: micelus on July 19, 2015, 06:48:27 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 19, 2015, 06:52:19 pm
I'm wondering why nobody has made an extra moon or planet to live on aside from the few made at the beginning of creation.
Post-creation planetary bodies cost lots and lots more. Don't have untold millions of years to work with, after all.
Post by: Andres on July 19, 2015, 07:23:07 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 19, 2015, 08:10:37 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 19, 2015, 08:14:56 pm
Considering that the mass already exists, though, taking all the planet stuff and making a proper planet cost the same as making a planet from scratch during Creation? Instead of having more time to work with, you have mass to work with.
It takes more energy to modify something then it does to just create it, especially if you where not involved with its creation. Taking enough mass to form a moon (small or otherwise) from the Planet or Sun would be harder than just creating it.
Speaking of this, do we have any planet fragment (excluding the three main ones) big enough to be used as a moon? Or close enough that it could be used for what I asked in my pricecheck without too much alteration?
Nope, most of the Fragments aside from the main ones are much smaller, and those that where not had been used as part of the Combo bonus to help with the Chitin moon. Most of the other small fragments had been gathered for Alicia's islands.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 19, 2015, 08:18:08 pm
Considering that the mass already exists, though, taking all the planet stuff and making a proper planet cost the same as making a planet from scratch during Creation? Instead of having more time to work with, you have mass to work with.
It takes more energy to modify something then it does to just create it, especially if you where not involved with its creation. Taking enough mass to form a moon (small or otherwise) from the Planet or Sun would be harder than just creating it.Speaking of this, do we have any planet fragment (excluding the three main ones) big enough to be used as a moon? Or close enough that it could be used for what I asked in my pricecheck without too much alteration?
Nope, most of the Fragments aside from the main ones are much smaller, and those that where not had been used as part of the Combo bonus to help with the Chitin moon. Most of the other small fragments had been gathered for Alicia's islands.
So I assume that taking the leftovers and smashing them together in a single body won't work either? Bear in mind that I need something much smaller than a normal moon, considering that most of it will be the atmosphere and oceans.
Post by: Stirk on July 19, 2015, 08:21:09 pm
Considering that the mass already exists, though, taking all the planet stuff and making a proper planet cost the same as making a planet from scratch during Creation? Instead of having more time to work with, you have mass to work with.
It takes more energy to modify something then it does to just create it, especially if you where not involved with its creation. Taking enough mass to form a moon (small or otherwise) from the Planet or Sun would be harder than just creating it.Speaking of this, do we have any planet fragment (excluding the three main ones) big enough to be used as a moon? Or close enough that it could be used for what I asked in my pricecheck without too much alteration?
Nope, most of the Fragments aside from the main ones are much smaller, and those that where not had been used as part of the Combo bonus to help with the Chitin moon. Most of the other small fragments had been gathered for Alicia's islands.
So I assume that taking the leftovers and smashing them together in a single body won't work either? Bear in mind that I need something much smaller than a normal moon, considering that most of it will be the atmosphere and oceans.
Any leftovers worth anything are now part of the Islands.
Post by: micelus on July 20, 2015, 05:22:54 am
Spoiler: Fragment 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Fragment 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Fragment 3 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Andres on July 20, 2015, 06:01:59 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 20, 2015, 06:48:15 am
Post by: micelus on July 20, 2015, 07:18:41 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 20, 2015, 10:41:34 am
I have a few questions about it, is the no man's land the exposed core? And what are the little dots in the Aag nation and no man's land?
Post by: micelus on July 20, 2015, 10:47:04 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 20, 2015, 12:55:23 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 20, 2015, 01:30:30 pm
All two of them. (:P)
Although, I thought the Saag just used the heat of the desert to live.
Also, the Saplings around there probably have alot in common with cacti, for obvious reasons. >.>
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 20, 2015, 01:36:27 pm
I'm guessing the Great Ocean contains the Great Reefs?
All two of them. (:P)
Although, I thought the Saag just used the heat of the desert to live.
Also, the Saplings around there probably have alot in common with cacti, for obvious reasons. >.>
Nah, I specified in their creation that they would use the heat and light from the lava sea to build up their reserves. They need a constant source of power, otherwise they would loose pretty much everything they gained during the day at night.
And also, I have to draw a cactus sapling now, they sound awesome.
Post by: Quartz_Mace on July 21, 2015, 10:36:42 pm
Post by: micelus on July 22, 2015, 08:21:07 am
Codex: Nefel Nanoi/Clan Rilem
Spoiler: Dwarven Relations (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Political Structure (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The Mavnonites (click to show/hide)
(More later.)
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 22, 2015, 09:05:32 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 22, 2015, 09:19:20 am
So Rilem drink like elves, act smug and superior like elves, act hippies like elves and envy dwarven craftdwafship like elves. If I pulled that beard it would come off like a fake it is, wouldn't it?Not if Skolld bound it to their faces first.
God of Binding and Bone to the rescue!
Post by: micelus on July 22, 2015, 09:28:01 am
So Rilem drink like elves, act smug and superior like elves, act hippies like elves and envy dwarven craftdwafship like elves. If I pulled that beard it would come off like a fake it is, wouldn't it?
Oh yeah probably. Of course, some don't have beards. Not the most generic dwarves, these Rilemi. Then again, these are broad generalisations and as such not all Rilemi act like that. Then again, not all dwarves act like dwarves.
And I'm pretty sure generic elves drink wine or something.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 22, 2015, 11:42:57 am
Also, I think I'd be interested in seeing what their relations are with the other races. I might do a more in depth description of the Saplings at some point, particularly if I can manage to get Stirk to give me a few pointers about what's developed based on the Great Tribe and Saag, since that's who they've mostly been in contact with.
...I really do need to set up that Arboreal Council, though. And make some more Great Trees and Reefs, in all likelihood. I'm guessing the Saplings aren't the largest race in terms of numbers yet, since their population growth is staggered and bound to a few locations, though it should remain fairly constant regardless of circumstances.
So many things to do, so little Essence for it. And I still want to do that [REDACTED] with Izgamlo, though I doubt my Pantheon members would approve. Better to ask forgiveness than permission though, I suppose. If it works they'll love me, though...heheheh.
EDIT: Oh, and Micelus, I might recommend redoing Fragment one; since I think you put in the ocean after the land, it ends up looking rather odd. Though the ocean-land ratio is still pretty good. What tool are you using for that, by the way?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 22, 2015, 12:58:57 pm
And for the drawings everyone want me to do, sadly there wasn't much progress recently. I managed to do some progress on andres' request but I'm still stuck at the same place. I think I'll work on someone else's request for a bit, that usually help when I'm stuck like that.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 22, 2015, 02:35:38 pm
I did some calculations, and I think I figured out a good ratio for the maps, though the map projection is still going to need some work to figure out how to do it (I'm figuring just effectively two two trapezoids).
If you have a Major Radius of 60,000 km, and a Minor Radius of 900 km, then you will have a torus with a volume of about 9.59*1011 km3 (~2.3*1011 mi3), and a surface area of around 2.13*109 km2 (~8.2*108 mi2). Compare this to the Earth's volume of about 1.08*1012 km3 (~2.6*1011 mi3), and surface area of 5.10*108 km2 (~2*108 mi2). Slightly smaller surface area, approximately 4 times to surface area or so. A good starting point, I think.
But! Don't forget parts of it broke off. So, circumference is about 6.28*R, right? Well, let's say that the chunks that broke off were around a quarter of it's total size and volume. About. In fact, let's say that in terms of length, just about enough of the chunks broke off that 4.8*R was left.
Still a lot of surface area...so let's say that most of the fragments' area? Uninhabitable. Huge swathes of rock and dirt were stripped away, especially towards the ends, near with the other rocks broke apart. They taper down a good portion of their length on either side to blunt points larger than the tallest mountains around there, and when the fragments are aligned all in their original formation with the shorter side facing the sun, they point to each other, basically. So, around 60% of their length, 30% to either side of the habitable area, is unusable, and tapers away.
This leaves us with about 1.8 Radians worth of usable space(since, after all, we are, for the moment, essentially measuring in radians). If we run the numbers, we get a surface area of just about ~610,560,000 km2, about. Just barely more than earth, about 20% more. These seems good for something 'about Earth equivalent', unless Stirk is enforcing it strictly, and besides, the various other damages and such that strip off bits of usable land could make up for it if necessary. Now, as for the map ratios.
Since each usable land fragment is 0.6 radians, just about, they are each approximately 36,000 km long on average, 35,460 at their shortest point, and 36,540 km at their longest point, and cover an arc around 34 degrees wide, though including their tapering, uninhabitable ends they actually take up about 92 degrees or so of the circle, and are around 96,000 km long. Since it tapers, the outer and inner edges aren't really gonna be too different anyway. But what does this mean for actual map ratios? Well, since we can find the circumference of the habitable areas, about 5,654 km. That's about the same distance as going from the south-east tip of Spain to the northern Ural mountains. Meanwhile, each fragment is individually a little less long than the earth is around. But, since the edges don't actually connect on those sides, in terms of travel it's effectively twice as much distance necessary to get somewhere, relatively.
So, ~5600 around, and 36,000 long. Each map, then, should be somewhere near the range of 6.5x as wide as it is tall. If you wanna get real fancy, then if the inner edge is the center of the map, it should be something like 3% shorter than at the top and bottom, vice versa if the outer edge is the center of the map. Considering how small the percentage difference is, though, i don't think it's much of an issue. Map Projections should actually be easier in this world. :P I mean, if it wasn't for the portals, that is.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 22, 2015, 03:30:43 pm
...Are you a wizard?
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 22, 2015, 05:30:38 pm
I also figure there's a lot more than two portals to each fragment, but that's a different story.
I'm kinda hoping they're something like 50 or 60% water, as well, rather than 70, but I doubt that could be the case and still have Stirk approving that much surface area.
Post by: micelus on July 22, 2015, 10:29:38 pm
So, micelus, I'm guessing this world's dwarves aren't perfectly functional alcoholics, then, judging by your description.
Also, I think I'd be interested in seeing what their relations are with the other races. I might do a more in depth description of the Saplings at some point, particularly if I can manage to get Stirk to give me a few pointers about what's developed based on the Great Tribe and Saag, since that's who they've mostly been in contact with.
...I really do need to set up that Arboreal Council, though. And make some more Great Trees and Reefs, in all likelihood. I'm guessing the Saplings aren't the largest race in terms of numbers yet, since their population growth is staggered and bound to a few locations, though it should remain fairly constant regardless of circumstances.
So many things to do, so little Essence for it. And I still want to do that [REDACTED] with Izgamlo, though I doubt my Pantheon members would approve. Better to ask forgiveness than permission though, I suppose. If it works they'll love me, though...heheheh.
EDIT: Oh, and Micelus, I might recommend redoing Fragment one; since I think you put in the ocean after the land, it ends up looking rather odd. Though the ocean-land ratio is still pretty good. What tool are you using for that, by the way?
No idea about the dwarves but whoever created them never clarified.
I do plan on writing more about their other relations after I finish up some other things.
Is Demonicspoon still playing?
Will redo Frag.1 when I get the chance. Inkarknate btw.
I think I'll do a thingy like that too, micelus. And also, I'm totally going to tell everyone that the rilem imitated the Aag nation for democracy :P (I think they started voting for their leaders first? Correct me if I'm wrong). And for the maps, the only thing I'd say is missing is a see of lava in fragment 3's no man's land.Ooh that sounds good, although most Rilemi would probably call Aag elections boring and a bit too regular for their liking. No idea when the Aag started voting, I just put down the Rilemi beginning their semi-democratic elections 5-10 generations after their creation.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 23, 2015, 12:09:00 am
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Actually that made me curious, so I decided to dig in the other thread to find out, and I apparently gave them democracy on tick 4, two ticks after the creation of the first Aag species. So I guess that means I'm the father of democracy :P. That post will probably be useful once I decide to write about their society.
Post in question, for anyone curious. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6276342#msg6276342)
And for Dwarves, they were apparently created by Lorash. Weird, I was sure it was Gai-gen who created them. I keep mixing the two for some reason.
And yeah, I'd love to know if DS is still playing, if he isn't we'll need to find someone else to update the list he made. I guess I could do it, but I'd need help to find anything that wasn't added after his last update.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 24, 2015, 10:54:53 am
Post by: Happy Demon on July 24, 2015, 11:02:05 am
I just returned from my holiday and I'm not really looking forward to reading all of it, so could someone please TL;DR what happened after tick 16?WAR!
Basically, turned out the New Kingdom was a Void Kingdom, and someone seems to have kept tight wraps on it, making it seem like they're trying to subvert the other gods.
Also, Skolld is trying to curse the Void King, and make him do his work.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 24, 2015, 12:15:29 pm
Okay, thanks!I just returned from my holiday and I'm not really looking forward to reading all of it, so could someone please TL;DR what happened after tick 16?WAR!
Basically, turned out the New Kingdom was a Void Kingdom, and someone seems to have kept tight wraps on it, making it seem like they're trying to subvert the other gods.
Also, Skolld is trying to curse the Void King, and make him do his work.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 24, 2015, 12:35:03 pm
And for Dwarves, they were apparently created by Lorash. Weird, I was sure it was Gai-gen who created them. I keep mixing the two for some reason.Nah, I've got my own plans for a species.
Price check on 10k Metalkin.
Metalkin are a species closely related to- you got it, metal.
They have three stages of life. The first is childhood, which lasts for approximately 1.2 years. During this stage they resemble ordinary foxes, but they notably consume metal of all kinds in addition to normal biological foods. After that time has passed, they transition into the adult stage of life, becoming a full fledged Metalkin. At this point, they rapidly grow into a creature that resembles an anthromorphic fox- but made mostly of metal. Whatever type of metal the Metalkin ate the most of during their childhood stage is the metal that they will be made of during their adult stage. (Yes, during childhood the metal is in fact processed and used as food.) Once they reach the adult stage, they can only eat the metal of their own Metalkin type, which will then be incorporated into their own body. Some biological bits will be kept(organs and whatnot) but they only eat and process the metal of their own type, not needed biological matter to consume. After approximately 112 years, the Metalkin adult will stick their feet(paws, possibly) into the ground above an ore vein and become a Metalkin elder. Once this happens, the Metalkin in question will become a tree. Made mostly of metal taken from the ground via roots. They can live at most around 1440 years before dying, but Metalkin living that long are very rare. At the elder stage, a Metalkin draws upon the ore vein via its roots and creates fruit made of the metal drawn upon. Pure metal, no impurities. This is what the Metalkin children live on. Adults need more food, thus...
Metalkin adults have different specialties depending on what metal they're made from, although they can do other jobs(just not as well).
Copperkin: Copperkin are specialized to be miners, a very important task because it is necessary for the survival of their species(Metalkin eat metal and the Metalfruit are not sufficient to support large numbers of Metalkin). Naturally, they mine for the metals necessary for survival, and then some(metal tools and whatnot). Note their claws are capable of digging through rock.
Tinkin: Tinkin are specialized to raise the children and care for the elders. They are also tasked with gathering the Metalfruit from the elder trees.
Leadkin: Leadkin are the heavy lifters of the Metalkin. Somebody needs to carry around the stuff and whatnot, and the Leadkin are specialized to do just that.
Ironkin: Ironkin are the basic fighters of the Metalkin, fighting against their foes. Being made of iron they're also tougher than normal.
Silverkin: Silverkin are the craftsmen and smiths of the Metalkin, made to create a variety of items made from metal and other materials.
Goldkin: Goldkin are the leaders of the Metalkin. Naturally they are few in number, but they carry a natural charisma that makes up for that and makes them specialized to lead, govern, make laws, and command the other Metalkin.
Aluminumkin: Aluminumkin are the spiritual leaders of the Metalkin, acting as priests for the various gods. They all instinctively know that Mavnon and Utther are not to be trusted.
The other five are the Alloykin, which require special alloys instead of normal uncombined metals. They can be made by eating the metals necessary to make the alloys during childhood(in specific proportions), or by eating the alloys themselves.
Bronzekin: Bronzekin are woodcutters and farmers, gatherers of the other materials necessary for a functional society.
Steelkin: Steelkin are much more effective fighters than the Ironkin, being elite warriors and officers in the armies of the Metalkin.
Pewterkin: Pewterkin are the second tier of heavy lifters for the Metalkin. They typically work as construction workers.
Brasskin: made from tin and zinc, Brasskin are specialized to be artists(and architects). Their artistic talents result in many a good-looking building.
Electrumkin: Electrumkin are jacks of all trades, being not as specialized but able to preform any task(though not as effectively). They are the only ones capable of becoming Powered Metalkin.
There are four special metals that Metalkin can consume, regardless of type, to temporarily gain special powers. (Electrumkin can consume these to permanently change their type to become a very specialized specialist.)
Atium: This metal allows a Metalkin who consumes it to see slightly into the future(3 seconds or so), seeing what anyone they are fighting will do in the next three seconds, for as long as the metal's power lasts. An Electrumkin who consumes this will become an assassin.
Jeron: This metal allows a Metalkin who consumes it to communicate with the Metalkin elders. An Electrumkin who consumes this will become a Speaker, one who speaks with the elders and speaks to the other Metalkin about what he has heard.
Serae: This metal allows a Metalkin who consumes it to project fields of energy that mend torn flesh(or torn/gashed metal), effectively projecting a healing field. An Electrumkin who consumes this will become a specialized healer, with the ability to project healing fields regardless of Serae consumption(although weaker.)
Magistrum: Magistrum is a metal that, when consumed by a Metalkin, boosts that Metalkin's intelligence(temporarily). When consumed by an Electrumkin, that Electrumkin becomes a mage(one who studies and does magic).
It's worth noting that a transformed Electrumkin can only consume Power Metal of their specialized type, but it effects them more.
Note that the elders of the Metalkin can hear the gods speaking, and can communicate telepathically over long distances.
Post by: ~Neri on July 24, 2015, 12:39:00 pm
((You prolly will wanna make the nonexistent metals tho.))
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 24, 2015, 12:41:24 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on July 24, 2015, 12:57:14 pm
Price check on enchanting 2 instruments at the same time to make them capable of being used for instrumental magic.
Price check on enchanting 5 instruments at the same time to make them capable of being used for instrumental magic.
Price check on enchanting 10 instruments at the same time to make them capable of being used for instrumental magic.
Price check on enchanting 50 instruments at the same time to make them capable of being used for instrumental magic.
Price check on creating 4 Fragment horns.
Fragment horns are great, brass instruments that can be used to send musical signals across unlimited distances, usually from one fragment to another. These sounds can cross dimensions. A fragment horn automatically comes in a great, marble tower. These towers can only be accessed by worshipers of the Elemental Council and those who got permission from the members of the Elemental Council. The signals sent can be heard in a radius of 5 miles from ALL fragment horns. Fragment horns are enchanted and capable of being used for instrumental magic.
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 24, 2015, 04:01:27 pm
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Metalkin
Lorash would totaly help you out with that. Would probably make it way easyer, being god of metals and all.
Post by: Stirk on July 24, 2015, 06:16:04 pm
I just returned from my holiday and I'm not really looking forward to reading all of it, so could someone please TL;DR what happened after tick 16?
Nobody has any clue.
Post by: micelus on July 24, 2015, 06:21:12 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on July 24, 2015, 07:42:54 pm
Everything occurring this tick may or may not be a lie.I have ways of finding the truth.
Post by: Stirk on July 25, 2015, 06:59:18 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 25, 2015, 08:10:47 pm
So...Looks like we aren't actually in a battle phase, I think. No need to wright [Battle] anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 27, 2015, 02:16:31 pm
Post by: DreamerGhost on July 27, 2015, 03:44:42 pm
I'm spending the week with the family, so I probably won't be able to work much on the requests I have. I should still be able to post if anything happens in the IC thread though.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 02:48:14 am
Name: Dgetga
Sphere:
Primary: Invention, Creation (as Creation pertains to Invention), Taking Old Things and Putting Them Together In New Ways.
Secondary: Magic, esp. Magical Devices
Primary form/associated symbol:
Primary form: A human in what one might call a steampunk outfit, with octarine detailing.
Symbol: An octarine gear. If you can't get octarine paint in this universe, or you're on a budget, or you feel like it, any old gear symbol works.
Goals: Make Cool Shit. Seriously, that's about it. Would equally support a new spell or a new OS, but magitech has a soft spot in his heart. Really, somewhat of a Muse/'urban legend' as opposed to a proper God, as he doesn't believe in institutionalized worship or even in exclusivity.
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 07:58:06 am
Are you accepting???
Name: Dgetga
Sphere:
Primary: Invention, Creation (as Creation pertains to Invention), Taking Old Things and Putting Them Together In New Ways.
Secondary: Magic, esp. Magical Devices
Primary form/associated symbol:
Primary form: A human in what one might call a steampunk outfit, with octarine detailing.
Symbol: An octarine gear. If you can't get octarine paint in this universe, or you're on a budget, or you feel like it, any old gear symbol works.
Goals: Make Cool Shit. Seriously, that's about it. Would equally support a new spell or a new OS, but magitech has a soft spot in his heart. Really, somewhat of a Muse/'urban legend' as opposed to a proper God, as he doesn't believe in institutionalized worship or even in exclusivity.
Accepted, though as a far warning things are going a bit...sloooooooowly right now as I can not be bothered to write a tick update or get the blasted income done.... Also, since Worship is necessary to gain Essence, not being institutionally Worshiped can be a pretty big disadvantage.
Post by: Happy Demon on July 30, 2015, 10:56:16 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 11:39:33 am
Sould it not be Belief, instead of Worship? You know, Discworld theology?Are you accepting???
Name: Dgetga
Sphere:
Primary: Invention, Creation (as Creation pertains to Invention), Taking Old Things and Putting Them Together In New Ways.
Secondary: Magic, esp. Magical Devices
Primary form/associated symbol:
Primary form: A human in what one might call a steampunk outfit, with octarine detailing.
Symbol: An octarine gear. If you can't get octarine paint in this universe, or you're on a budget, or you feel like it, any old gear symbol works.
Goals: Make Cool Shit. Seriously, that's about it. Would equally support a new spell or a new OS, but magitech has a soft spot in his heart. Really, somewhat of a Muse/'urban legend' as opposed to a proper God, as he doesn't believe in institutionalized worship or even in exclusivity.
Accepted, though as a far warning things are going a bit...sloooooooowly right now as I can not be bothered to write a tick update or get the blasted income done.... Also, since Worship is necessary to gain Essence, not being institutionally Worshiped can be a pretty big disadvantage.
Because, you know, traditionally, actual faith in the god should be more important anyway.
The
Anywho: price check on a new city, inhabited by, well, people predisposed to worship me.
Tinkers, thinkers, magicians, unholy combinations of all three. With a significant predisposition towards steampunk/magipunk/*punk. Lots of *punk.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 11:43:07 am
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 11:51:37 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 30, 2015, 11:52:03 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 11:55:18 am
A pickle in your tea, to be precise.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 30, 2015, 11:57:44 am
Which question does your pickle answer to, and why did you just ruin my evening cuppa?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 30, 2015, 12:53:19 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 30, 2015, 01:17:16 pm
Are you accepting???
Name: Dgetga
Sphere:
Primary: Invention, Creation (as Creation pertains to Invention), Taking Old Things and Putting Them Together In New Ways.
Secondary: Magic, esp. Magical Devices
Primary form/associated symbol:
Primary form: A human in what one might call a steampunk outfit, with octarine detailing.
Symbol: An octarine gear. If you can't get octarine paint in this universe, or you're on a budget, or you feel like it, any old gear symbol works.
Goals: Make Cool Shit. Seriously, that's about it. Would equally support a new spell or a new OS, but magitech has a soft spot in his heart. Really, somewhat of a Muse/'urban legend' as opposed to a proper God, as he doesn't believe in institutionalized worship or even in exclusivity.
I've added you to the character sheet list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325), you should probably look at it to be more familiar with everyone's character. I feel like our characters will get along, considering the similar aspects.
I mean, Nilva regularly takes physical form and pesters random people. P obvious she exists.
Same for Li/uthus, especially after the massive shouting at the entire universe thing that happened earlier.
Also stirk, does the Aag nation know how to make bows and crossbows (and how good are they at it)? I've thought about making something but I'd need to *know that before I can do it.
Edit: forgot a word
Post by: Happy Demon on July 30, 2015, 02:40:51 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 04:50:59 pm
Not in this world. :P We ain't in Discworld anymore.Eh. I still think the god's strength is proportional to the belief in the god, not the amount of temples said god has.
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
Post by: Andres on July 30, 2015, 05:07:04 pm
Kinda true. A god gets is strength from being worshipped. If its followers worship the god by building temples, it gets power by its followers building temples. If they worship the god by murdering anyone who builds temples, the god gets power from that as well. Worship - not belief - is what gives a god strength.Not in this world. :P We ain't in Discworld anymore.Eh. I still think the god's strength is proportional to the belief in the god, not the amount of temples said god has.
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 05:09:33 pm
Such as Nilva and Wolves. Wolves being a massive part of the biosphere.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 05:14:16 pm
So, basically, I have to define worship the right way. Gotcha.Kinda true. A god gets is strength from being worshipped. If its followers worship the god by building temples, it gets power by its followers building temples. If they worship the god by murdering anyone who builds temples, the god gets power from that as well. Worship - not belief - is what gives a god strength.Not in this world. :P We ain't in Discworld anymore.Eh. I still think the god's strength is proportional to the belief in the god, not the amount of temples said god has.
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 05:19:33 pm
Sould it not be Belief, instead of Worship? You know, Discworld theology?
Because, you know, traditionally, actual faith in the god should be more important anyway.
The
Anywho: price check on a new city, inhabited by, well, people predisposed to worship me.
Tinkers, thinkers, magicians, unholy combinations of all three. With a significant predisposition towards steampunk/magipunk/*punk. Lots of *punk.
...Actually, I do not know Discworld theology. Never read the books. Any similarities this game shares with that series is due to either to KJP, the players, or pure coincidence.
As the others said, belief/faith wouldn't really work. You are more or less physical Gods. On top of all the obviose Godly things (The Asteroids spelling out praises to someone, a city being picked up and floating, and the Titan smashing things for fun, for just a few examples), Gods are in direct communication with Mortals often answering prayers verbally. Basically not believing in the Gods in this world would be like believing the President of the United states is a hologram made by the lizard people. Or maybe someone closer to you, like believing your Grandfather who you see a few times a year is just a figment of your imagination.
As I forgot to mention, Worship isn't the only way to increase Essence income. Influence is another factor, how much your sphere is effecting the world. This works this way for reasons that nobody has found out IC yet :P, but I do have reasons for why Worship and Influence create Essence. As a reminder, you can start introducing yourself in the IC at any time.
(Just for the additional record, I am not ignoring the price check. I do all price checks/most questions in a massive OOC post that I am probably maybe might be going to do one day before I go back to college)
"Rolepgeek, are you so sure? In forum games, just like in dreams, nothing is ever obvious. Do even you exist, or am I dreaming again? Am I ever not dreaming? Do even I exist, or am I just a figment of that IcyTea31 guy's imagination? Hm...no, I have no idea. Existence is weird."
While you where here, how about a fun fact I never brought up? I thought about saying it earlier, but never did for some reason. This games original Working Title was "Dreamlike Reality: A God Game", mostly as a nod to the fact many of the mechanics used in this game had originally come from my old Dreamlands game. I thought that title would be confusing, and thought of a name that include a semi-religious reference, a reference to the original Ye Gods (to make it clear what that was), and half a song-reference.
All the while Skolld does things without telling the humans. For all they know the cursed wolves just popped up some day, maybe due to Nilva.
The Cursed Wolves are aware that you are their creator, and act for all intents and purposes as a race you created. The others probably know if you admitted it IC, as Obelisk watchers would no doubt report this event to the Mortals.
Post by: Andres on July 30, 2015, 05:28:52 pm
It's not a simple matter of your followers doing something, but your followers doing something specifically to worship you. You could name breathing as a holy act of worship but you will get no power from it unless your followers specifically do it to worship you. If they breathe just because they want to breath and not to worship you, you get no power from it.So, basically, I have to define worship the right way. Gotcha.Kinda true. A god gets is strength from being worshipped. If its followers worship the god by building temples, it gets power by its followers building temples. If they worship the god by murdering anyone who builds temples, the god gets power from that as well. Worship - not belief - is what gives a god strength.Not in this world. :P We ain't in Discworld anymore.Eh. I still think the god's strength is proportional to the belief in the god, not the amount of temples said god has.
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 05:48:03 pm
Should it not be Belief, instead of Worship? You know, Discworld theology?
Because, you know, traditionally, actual faith in the god should be more important anyway.
The
Anywho: price check on a new city, inhabited by, well, people predisposed to worship me.
Tinkers, thinkers, magicians, unholy combinations of all three. With a significant predisposition towards steampunk/magipunk/*punk. Lots of *punk.
...Actually, I do not know Discworld theology. Never read the books. Any similarities this game shares with that series is due to either to KJP, the players, or pure coincidence.
As the others said, belief/faith wouldn't really work. You are more or less physical Gods. On top of all the obviose Godly things (The Asteroids spelling out praises to someone, a city being picked up and floating, and the Titan smashing things for fun, for just a few examples), Gods are in direct communication with Mortals often answering prayers verbally. Basically not believing in the Gods in this world would be like believing the President of the United states is a hologram made by the lizard people. Or maybe someone closer to you, like believing your Grandfather who you see a few times a year is just a figment of your imagination.
As I forgot to mention, Worship isn't the only way to increase Essence income. Influence is another factor, how much your sphere is effecting the world. This works this way for reasons that nobody has found out IC yet :P , but I do have reasons for why Worship and Influence create Essence. As a reminder, you can start introducing yourself in the IC at any time.
(Just for the additional record, I am not ignoring the price check. I do all price checks/most questions in a massive OOC post that I am probably maybe might be going to do one day before I go back to college)
Discworld theology: The gods exist. The people KNOW the gods exist. The gods have a mountain right smack in the middle of the Disc, which exists and has been visited by mortals, and is pretty obviously their mountain. The gods talk to their priests &c. &c. Lightning bolts happen. Theoretically, more worshippers is a good thing. If you get down to nuts and bolts, though, the gods are powered by the belief of their worshippers in the gods, not by the formulaic temple worship. Rules and forms tend to actually build a shell of a god where once the god was, which almost killed a god that, by your rules, would probably have been thriving. If you want to read the relevant actual Discworld book, get Small Gods from Amazon or something.
But really, my point is: Belief is not the same as knowing the gods exist. Knowing the gods exist is a fact. Belief is an opinion.
Spoiler: Cont'd. (click to show/hide)
((As for why I haven't introduced myself yet: I'm thinking of something suitably appropriate, plus I have no clue what the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] is happening, plus I would like a price check.))
*groan* And THIS is why I think the Worship mechanic is kind of awkward. Sailors don't really build temples to the sea, at least in this day and age, but wouldn't you say that the superstitions count? Even if they spring up organically, vary from person to person, ship to ship, time to time...Power should be more organic than formulaic. But I should really stop bashing the system, because I need to work with it. Heck, it might just be word choice. But all the same.It's not a simple matter of your followers doing something, but your followers doing something specifically to worship you. You could name breathing as a holy act of worship but you will get no power from it unless your followers specifically do it to worship you. If they breathe just because they want to breath and not to worship you, you get no power from it.So, basically, I have to define worship the right way. Gotcha.Kinda true. A god gets is strength from being worshipped. If its followers worship the god by building temples, it gets power by its followers building temples. If they worship the god by murdering anyone who builds temples, the god gets power from that as well. Worship - not belief - is what gives a god strength.Not in this world. :P We ain't in Discworld anymore.Eh. I still think the god's strength is proportional to the belief in the god, not the amount of temples said god has.
Plus, it's really damn obvious we exist, the vast majority pf the time.
((Also, IcyTea, you still doing those projected relationships things?))
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 06:06:53 pm
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Discworld theology: The gods exist. The people KNOW the gods exist. The gods have a mountain right smack in the middle of the Disc, which exists and has been visited by mortals, and is pretty obviously their mountain. The gods talk to their priests &c. &c. Lightning bolts happen. Theoretically, more worshippers is a good thing. If you get down to nuts and bolts, though, the gods are powered by the belief of their worshippers in the gods, not by the formulaic temple worship. Rules and forms tend to actually build a shell of a god where once the god was, which almost killed a god that, by your rules, would probably have been thriving. If you want to read the relevant actual Discworld book, get Small Gods from Amazon or something.
Sounds like it would make an interesting story, but a boring game, in my opinion. I am not interested in reading the books right now.
If belief is an opinion, then why would that power Gods? You think that "Having an opinion on a certain God" would make for a better mechanic then actively worshiping them?
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((As for why I haven't introduced myself yet: I'm thinking of something suitably appropriate, plus I have no clue what the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] is happening, plus I would like a price check.))
That is logical.
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But seriously, it really shouldn't be a straight relationship of Number Of Temples == Power Increase, in my opinion. It should be a measure of Relevance To People * Fervency of Belief * Overtness (middling level is better, just enough to be present, not enough to be too factual) == Power Increase. But this isn't my game, I really shouldn't be trying to change a core mechanic.
It isn't Number Of Temples==Income Increase. Most of the actual numbers I calculate are number of worshipers, Worship Quality, and more secret hidden factors. More temples helps get more worshipers, and lets people actually worship (raising Worship Quality), but building a million temples won't automatically make you the strongest God.
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*groan* And THIS is why I think the Worship mechanic is kind of awkward. Sailors don't really build temples to the sea, at least in this day and age, but wouldn't you say that the superstitions count? Even if they spring up organically, vary from person to person, ship to ship, time to time...Power should be more organic than formulaic. But I should really stop bashing the system, because I need to work with it. Heck, it might just be word choice. But all the same.
Why should a Sailor on the sea give as much Worship as an anointed Priest? You seem to be mislead that it is the Temples themselves that grant Worship. It is the act of Worshiping that generates essence, Temples are typically more of a result of that rather than a cause.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 06:36:37 pm
Oh. I get it now.QuoteDiscworld theology: The gods exist. The people KNOW the gods exist. The gods have a mountain right smack in the middle of the Disc, which exists and has been visited by mortals, and is pretty obviously their mountain. The gods talk to their priests &c. &c. Lightning bolts happen. Theoretically, more worshippers is a good thing. If you get down to nuts and bolts, though, the gods are powered by the belief of their worshippers in the gods, not by the formulaic temple worship. Rules and forms tend to actually build a shell of a god where once the god was, which almost killed a god that, by your rules, would probably have been thriving. If you want to read the relevant actual Discworld book, get Small Gods from Amazon or something.
Sounds like it would make an interesting story, but a boring game, in my opinion. I am not interested in reading the books right now.
If belief is an opinion, then why would that power Gods? You think that "Having an opinion on a certain God" would make for a better mechanic then actively worshiping them?Quote((As for why I haven't introduced myself yet: I'm thinking of something suitably appropriate, plus I have no clue what the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] is happening, plus I would like a price check.))
That is logical.I have no clue what is happening either., but you are going to be waiting at least days for that price check. Sloooowly moving.QuoteBut seriously, it really shouldn't be a straight relationship of Number Of Temples == Power Increase, in my opinion. It should be a measure of Relevance To People * Fervency of Belief * Overtness (middling level is better, just enough to be present, not enough to be too factual) == Power Increase. But this isn't my game, I really shouldn't be trying to change a core mechanic.
It isn't Number Of Temples==Income Increase. Most of the actual numbers I calculate are number of worshipers, Worship Quality, and more secret hidden factors. More temples helps get more worshipers, and lets people actually worship (raising Worship Quality), but building a million temples won't automatically make you the strongest God.Quote*groan* And THIS is why I think the Worship mechanic is kind of awkward. Sailors don't really build temples to the sea, at least in this day and age, but wouldn't you say that the superstitions count? Even if they spring up organically, vary from person to person, ship to ship, time to time...Power should be more organic than formulaic. But I should really stop bashing the system, because I need to work with it. Heck, it might just be word choice. But all the same.
Why should a Sailor on the sea give as much Worship as an anointed Priest? You seem to be mislead that it is the Temples themselves that grant Worship. It is the act of Worshiping that generates essence, Temples are typically more of a result of that rather than a cause.
We're using different words for the same things. Or, very nearly the same things.
Eh, the word 'opinion' was more in use to indicate 'not factual knowledge'. Belief is....Well, belief, and I was trying to avoid a recursive definition but I really can't find the words. But yeah, you're actually doing what I was thinking should be done so we're god. ((Typo intentionally left in.))
As for why a sailor might be worth more worship than a Priest, sailors live and breathe the sea. A priest of a sea god, unless they themselves sail, simply doesn't have that kind of immersion in the sphere, to have the same fervency of belief that the sailor would. Granted, priests of other gods might very well be more immersed in the sphere than an average worshipper, but it really does vary. Mother Teresa, for instance, would have that same fervency, while Random Middle-Class Priest might or might not. It all depends on the person. Of course, that is ENTIRELY too many variables, but if I was making a god game, I'd consider who the people are, who would be devoted in their worship.
Also: Do YOU have to build each temple, or can there be such things as people (gasp) actually doing things without divine intervention?
Little shrines in back corners, slowly spreading...
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 06:41:06 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 06:50:19 pm
Quote
Also: Do YOU have to build each temple, or can there be such things as people (gasp) actually doing things without divine intervention?
They build them themselves, and generally live their lives without divine intervention. If you wanted to order a specific way to build temples, or any services for them to give, you may. Example: Lorash's temples act as Golem forges and hospitals.
Nilva doesn't really give a fuck about temples. Or shrines.
Most of Nilva's worshipers appear to be nomadic in nature, thus lack structures such as temples and shrines. The Priests seem to prefer setting up around a large fire, or designate a large Animal to preach from on top of.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 06:51:12 pm
KK, thanks. I seem to be covered, then.QuoteAlso: Do YOU have to build each temple, or can there be such things as people (gasp) actually doing things without divine intervention?They build them themselves, and generally live their lives without divine intervention. If you wanted to order a specific way to build temples, or any services for them to give, you may. Example: Lorash's temples act as Golem forges and hospitals.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 30, 2015, 07:16:57 pm
Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 07:23:04 pm
Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Accepted. This is like the third Invention-focused God, it will be interesting to see how they all work together...Or try to kill each other. Go ahead and Post IC. As another fair warning, the game is currently going slooooooooooowlllllly, you shouldn't expect me to get anything done any time soon.
Post by: Quartz_Mace on July 30, 2015, 07:51:30 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 07:58:50 pm
Heeeere we go.Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Accepted. This is like the third Invention-focused God, it will be interesting to see how they all work together...Or try to kill each other. Go ahead and Post IC. As another fair warning, the game is currently going slooooooooooowlllllly, you shouldn't expect me to get anything done any time soon.
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 08:01:28 pm
Nilva wasn't even aware she had priests until just now~QuoteAlso: Do YOU have to build each temple, or can there be such things as people (gasp) actually doing things without divine intervention?
They build them themselves, and generally live their lives without divine intervention. If you wanted to order a specific way to build temples, or any services for them to give, you may. Example: Lorash's temples act as Golem forges and hospitals.Nilva doesn't really give a fuck about temples. Or shrines.
Most of Nilva's worshipers appear to be nomadic in nature, thus lack structures such as temples and shrines. The Priests seem to prefer setting up around a large fire, or designate a large Animal to preach from on top of.
Post by: Stirk on July 30, 2015, 08:05:42 pm
Nilva wasn't even aware she had priests until just now~QuoteAlso: Do YOU have to build each temple, or can there be such things as people (gasp) actually doing things without divine intervention?
They build them themselves, and generally live their lives without divine intervention. If you wanted to order a specific way to build temples, or any services for them to give, you may. Example: Lorash's temples act as Golem forges and hospitals.Nilva doesn't really give a fuck about temples. Or shrines.
Most of Nilva's worshipers appear to be nomadic in nature, thus lack structures such as temples and shrines. The Priests seem to prefer setting up around a large fire, or designate a large Animal to preach from on top of.
How did Nilva get into the OOC? Gosh darn it, I really need to build a wall or something to keep all these Gods from crossing the border into our reality.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 08:11:44 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 08:14:26 pm
Also yah. Hidden, there's like three chunks of planet, a rod sun, and a tiny moon made of chitin.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 30, 2015, 08:24:08 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 09:40:14 pm
Ah, somehow I misread three as "Five" I shall fix this!...I have to worry about HOW you'll fix that.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 30, 2015, 09:44:00 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 30, 2015, 09:46:47 pm
Just a bit of editing and.... Now two are left behind for future colonization. Also, beware the invisable robotic world I know need to build.Good luck.
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 09:47:51 pm
The robosphere thing probably will be between 5-7 Essence. Maybe 9. Possibly 10 or 11. Depends on how Stirk interprets it.
That town is probably best built over many ticks. You also probably want to have mortals build some of it. Personally I recommend making a race, cause that provides an income source. Gnomes would be a good idea. Maniac Mechanists.
Just a bit of editing and.... Now two are left behind for future colonization. Also, beware the invisable robotic world I know need to build.Making a full sized world will likely cost in the thousands of Essence going off what has been said. Utthur making a small astroid for himself post creation cost 4E if I recall.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 30, 2015, 09:52:03 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 30, 2015, 10:01:39 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 30, 2015, 10:37:46 pm
Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Added you to the character sheet list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Damn, at this rate we'll have a majority of tech gods. Not that I'm complaining, I'll have tons of potential allies.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 30, 2015, 10:39:27 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 11:16:26 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on July 30, 2015, 11:24:09 pm
More tech gods means more order, constructions, developments. Someone has to tear that down.Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Added you to the character sheet list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Damn, at this rate we'll have a majority of tech gods. Not that I'm complaining, I'll have tons of potential allies.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 11:27:06 pm
Given time, nature always wins in the end.
I'm just planning to do it in a different way.
Also, Teburshe is getting annoyed at how whiny Liuthus has been. Also how secretive Mavnon has been, but he's getting frustrated mostly because it seems like Liuthus chooses to believe Mavnon lies whenever it would be convenient to support his theory of Mavnon being out to get literally everyone and everything, rather than just being supremely pragmatic.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on July 30, 2015, 11:28:30 pm
"At least I'm not a paradox god!"
:( It's not paradoxical it's just two ways to achieve the same goal
For comparison, that Tower race I still eventually, some day, at one point possibly in the future and/or past plan on creating, costs like 8 Essence or so.
That's for 10k, right? I usually make them in smaller numbers when they cost a lot.
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 30, 2015, 11:31:22 pm
If it's for 10k that'd be convenient since mortals cost linear amounts of Essence to make. Mean I could only make a few thousand to start with.
Still hoping for Gai-gen's help with it.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 31, 2015, 01:33:47 am
Everyone knows inane gods regularly break the fourth wall whenever you forget to close the curtains."That's right!"
Carpit, Aurosseu, just because you can walk through the fourth wall by forgetting it's there, doesn't mean you should do it!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 12:55:27 pm
Well. Good luck with that.More tech gods means more order, constructions, developments. Someone has to tear that down.Spoiler: Vashna, Inventor of inventing. (click to show/hide)
Added you to the character sheet list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6261325#msg6261325). Damn, at this rate we'll have a majority of tech gods. Not that I'm complaining, I'll have tons of potential allies.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 02:21:01 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 31, 2015, 02:36:48 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on July 31, 2015, 02:39:33 pm
Besides the expense, involved, that is.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 02:46:37 pm
Lot more interesting to not just try and rush for modern tech, though.Yeah, I certainly intend there to be creative uses of existing things, but I'd like to know, you know, what does exist so creative things can happen.
Besides the expense, involved, that is.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 31, 2015, 02:55:10 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 02:57:23 pm
Second post of this thread people! There are two links to posts made by demonic spoon, which detail what has been made so far.Ah, thank you.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 31, 2015, 03:03:09 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 06:22:39 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 31, 2015, 06:26:20 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 31, 2015, 08:19:16 pm
Post by: Stirk on July 31, 2015, 08:21:44 pm
This "true magic" conversation just gave me an amazing idea. *The rest of the world* "NO VASHNA, YOU CAN'T USE IT TO POWER A TRAIN!!"
You mean this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRZTAmcW7c)?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 08:46:42 pm
You MAY NOT use it to power a train, even if you CAN.. :PThis "true magic" conversation just gave me an amazing idea. *The rest of the world* "NO VASHNA, YOU CAN'T USE IT TO POWER A TRAIN!!"
You mean this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRZTAmcW7c)?
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on July 31, 2015, 08:48:32 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 31, 2015, 09:01:59 pm
*Vashna* All ideas are good idea's!False.
Post by: Stirk on August 01, 2015, 08:58:07 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 01, 2015, 09:13:12 pm
Aaaaaal riiiiiiight! I have decided to dive headfirst into this after a fun day at a gun show, and will try to have an update up tomorrow/Monday. If you want to add any more to the absurdly long tick, or cancel actions like you all love to do, now is the time!To save both of us the trouble of figuring out what I actually did, I made an overarching post that SHOULD, barring new developments, have my actions for the turn in.
Also, should I be required to expend more Essence than needed, I will authorize the use of up to 3 (three) Crux. Heck, with the Workshop being practically an extension of me...
Post by: micelus on August 01, 2015, 11:09:40 pm
EDIT: When this game ends (hopefully in the distant future) could we all reveal our little plots and secrets for curiosity's sake?
Post by: ~Neri on August 01, 2015, 11:47:40 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 01, 2015, 11:48:14 pm
Post by: Andres on August 01, 2015, 11:50:04 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 01, 2015, 11:55:22 pm
"Who's Cim?"
He's your grandpappy, for lack of a better term. A god of Order in a Council very, very far away, very, very long ago.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 02, 2015, 12:02:44 am
Aaaaaal riiiiiiight! I have decided to dive headfirst into this after a fun day at a gun show, and will try to have an update up tomorrow/Monday. If you want to add any more to the absurdly long tick, or cancel actions like you all love to do, now is the time!
Our hero :D
And yeah, I'll reveal my secrets after the game is over too.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 02, 2015, 01:08:07 am
That sorta stuff very rarely occurs without conflict, either as a cause or an effect, after all.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 02, 2015, 01:27:13 am
Liuthus seems oddly against Conflict for a god of Revolution and Progress.
That sorta stuff very rarely occurs without conflict, either as a cause or an effect, after all.
Meh. He only likes conflict when it's against something that prevents progress or is causing needless harm. I guess he's picky? Right now he's mostly pissed off because the fights are delaying a bunch of his projects. That and the fact that he thinks(almost) everyone is an apathetic, selfish coward. There's also mavnon and co, but that's pretty obvious at this point.
Edit:
$$$
Pricecheck on 10k of a species of giant insects that feed on ambient heat and entire trees (and wood, by extension).
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 02, 2015, 01:41:00 am
Penicillin was discovered in wartime. Democracy was only made via wars, in almost every case.
Large scale communism too, come to think of it.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 02, 2015, 05:05:00 am
Just sayin'.Penicillin was invented some time (some sources seem to indicate ~100 BC) before it was officially invented, though it's more discovered.
Penicillin was discovered in wartime. Democracy was only made via wars, in almost every case.
Large scale communism too, come to think of it.
Democracy got spread quite well through Europe due to Napoleon, though it's invention was done before the war.
Communism happened after the Great War (WW1), though the war's effect on Russia certainly aided it.
Post by: micelus on August 02, 2015, 05:36:44 am
Liuthus seems oddly against Conflict for a god of Revolution and Progress.
That sorta stuff very rarely occurs without conflict, either as a cause or an effect, after all.
That was Mavnon's initial thoughts to, which is why she tried those cultural exchanges some time back. That didn't go as planned.
$$$
IDOL: Tiny orbital satellite (in the moon sense) that attunes itself to the spheres of a selected deity. Once attuned, it can be aimed at a 10 square km2 area. All sapient creatures will over time, become more and more associated with the attuned spheres. It cannot attune itself to Mavnon.
Printing press.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 02, 2015, 06:33:46 am
$$$I want one of these, so much...
IDOL: Tiny orbital satellite (in the moon sense) that attunes itself to the spheres of a selected deity. Once attuned, it can be aimed at a 10 square km2 area. All sapient creatures will over time, become more and more associated with the attuned spheres. It cannot attune itself to Mavnon.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 02, 2015, 06:46:56 am
If Skolld got his hands on one of those IDOL-s, could he then aim it at the other IDOL-s, and thus disable them (sphere of binding)?$$$I want one of these, so much...
IDOL: Tiny orbital satellite (in the moon sense) that attunes itself to the spheres of a selected deity. Once attuned, it can be aimed at a 10 square km2 area. All sapient creatures will over time, become more and more associated with the attuned spheres. It cannot attune itself to Mavnon.
Post by: micelus on August 02, 2015, 06:52:32 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 02, 2015, 07:26:34 am
It only works on sapient creatures, so no. Although, you could certainly make an anti-IDOL. I think.Well, Skolld could maybe reverse engineer it a bit, find some way they interact with each other, and bind them that way.
Post by: micelus on August 02, 2015, 08:09:37 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 02, 2015, 10:43:09 am
Again, sounds possible.Which means I will claim not to ever do it, but do the exact thing, just in secret.
Or maybe not do anything at all.
Post by: Detoxicated on August 03, 2015, 01:05:31 pm
Post by: Andres on August 08, 2015, 12:11:24 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 09, 2015, 10:04:18 pm
Post by: Quartz_Mace on August 10, 2015, 06:12:18 am
Post by: Andres on August 10, 2015, 07:28:08 pm
There seems to be a mistake. I was to create 2E worth of Humans which would be 4k Humans.
The scale is linear, 5E gets you 10K humans, 1E gets you~2k, 10E gets you 20k.
EDIT:
The price check there was to make 10k Human souls.Nilva making nobody: 10EThis means that creating 10k Human bodies without souls is 1E unaligned....which means it'll cost a total of 6E for an unaligned person to create 10k Humans. I am happy with these results.
Iliseth making nobody: 8E
EDIT2: You also might've forgotten the pantheon discount/buff.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 11, 2015, 09:48:34 am
I guess I didn't do anything this last tick after all.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 11, 2015, 09:36:00 pm
Huh.Lazy
I guess I didn't do anything this last tick after all.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 11, 2015, 10:01:06 pm
The thing I just put out bullet points for.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 11, 2015, 11:01:42 pm
$$$Sweet jesus
The thing I just put out bullet points for.
You're going to need to tap into the Void just to fund HALF of that.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 11, 2015, 11:23:57 pm
$$$Sweet jesus
The thing I just put out bullet points for.
You're going to need to tap into the Void just to fund HALF of that.
Does the void work like that in litany? I haven't really done much related to it yet, so I wouldn't know. Otherwise you're right, that thing is going to be massively expensive, but that's where my previous recommendations come into play.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 11, 2015, 11:37:02 pm
Does the void work like that in litany? I haven't really done much related to it yet, so I wouldn't know.No idea. Only 1 guy actually ripped a hole into the Void, and it dissipated after a turn.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 12, 2015, 12:06:41 am
I mean, this makes, like, all the spheres but utter destruction of everything happy. Creation, change, growth, magic, science, any gods predicated upon their species...Uh. Well, most spheres focused on making stuff.
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 12, 2015, 12:09:23 am
Don't suppose you guys want to start getting Essence together?Ask Aurosseu, not me.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 12, 2015, 12:19:06 am
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.Couldn't you just bind yourself to it?
I wonder if that would work, a planet that's powered and controlled by a god at its core.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 12, 2015, 12:22:38 am
Too stifling for me. Also, Dgetga isn't infallible, and while ANY AI is probably going to run into problems on this size of a working, they'd be much less fallible.Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.Couldn't you just bind yourself to it?
I wonder if that would work, a planet that's powered and controlled by a god at its core.
And in case you can't tell, I'm trying to get collaboration going here. This is not something I'm going to do alone.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 12, 2015, 05:27:38 am
collaborationHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: Happy Demon on August 12, 2015, 07:41:07 am
Well, if you want Skolld's help on the binding, that's not going to happen, Skolld will probably just try and make things on his own, maybe his very own planet.Too stifling for me. Also, Dgetga isn't infallible, and while ANY AI is probably going to run into problems on this size of a working, they'd be much less fallible.Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.Couldn't you just bind yourself to it?
I wonder if that would work, a planet that's powered and controlled by a god at its core.
And in case you can't tell, I'm trying to get collaboration going here. This is not something I'm going to do alone.
Because Skolld is Skolld, and Skolld is a stubborn god.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 12, 2015, 08:06:27 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 12, 2015, 09:03:47 am
Don't suppose you guys want to start getting Essence together?I would, but I have on the order of about jack shit for essence, no actual pressing _need_ for such a planet, and lots of other things I want and/or feel I need to do with my essence first. If you're willing to wait, oh, five to ten ticks for it to be complete, then i could help make the seed and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make overall, but other than that, I'm not really willing to contribute that much when I have my own projects to work on.
I mean, this makes, like, all the spheres but utter destruction of everything happy. Creation, change, growth, magic, science, any gods predicated upon their species...Uh. Well, most spheres focused on making stuff.
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.
Speaking of which, is Izgamlo still playing? I hope?
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 12, 2015, 09:08:45 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 12, 2015, 09:16:57 am
Hey, HLG here, sorry about my saying IC things in the OOC thread, accidentally posted it here instead of in the actual thread.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 12, 2015, 09:17:50 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 12, 2015, 09:45:58 am
((Roight, I'm done with fourth-wall-breaking for now.))
Post by: Detoxicated on August 12, 2015, 10:59:04 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 12, 2015, 11:05:38 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 12, 2015, 11:07:27 am
I was thinking about selecting a mortal to be the AI. We could just download his/her brain!But what if the brain decays? Then we'd have a Calculator (Vault 0) on our hands, who decides to exterminate mankind.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 12, 2015, 11:14:27 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 12, 2015, 11:31:00 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 12, 2015, 11:39:35 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 12, 2015, 11:43:50 am
/me runs off for a few moments, coming back with a broom, then sweeps all gods not on their side of the fourth wall to just there.
Now, where were we with our OOC discussion?
Post by: Happy Demon on August 12, 2015, 11:49:48 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 12, 2015, 01:55:56 pm
Don't suppose you guys want to start getting Essence together?I would, but I have on the order of about jack shit for essence, no actual pressing _need_ for such a planet, and lots of other things I want and/or feel I need to do with my essence first. If you're willing to wait, oh, five to ten ticks for it to be complete, then i could help make the seed and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make overall, but other than that, I'm not really willing to contribute that much when I have my own projects to work on.
I mean, this makes, like, all the spheres but utter destruction of everything happy. Creation, change, growth, magic, science, any gods predicated upon their species...Uh. Well, most spheres focused on making stuff.
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.
Speaking of which, is Izgamlo still playing? I hope?
I'm in the same situation, I need to create a new species or two (or three, I just remembered another one), maybe a moon and the steam engine with Dgetga. I suppose I could delay a few projects, but I'd still need at least two ticks.
"We are not just hooking up the actual brain to the machine, we are literally downloading the conscious of a mortal, and we are gods after all, it would be easy to just, ya' know, replace the mind every time it goes insane, or just give it lots of entertainment."But wouldn't that be brain uploading? I'm pretty sure that's the proper term.
... Wait, did I come too late? where is everyone?
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 12, 2015, 01:58:27 pm
I was thinking about selecting a mortal to be the AI. We could just download his/her brain!
Knowing Stirk and how KJP usually handled stuff like that, likely result is them going insane, since most mortal minds aren't built for that. Stirk's a bit harsher with unintended consequences and specificity of wording, from what I can tell, while KJP was a bit more unforgiving with letting your own decisions come around to bite you in the ass as to how effective or ineffective something would be and the expense involved, since costs weren't directly based on effectiveness.
I think. It's only been 17 ticks, so we'll see.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 12, 2015, 02:17:01 pm
Wait, did I come too late? where is everyone?Yes, you did. Up here. Please stay quiet and don't force me to give you the broom treatment.
"He means it. Try not to disturb the Great Big People of OOC."
Didn't I just shoo you out, Aurosseu? You know, I can still hear your stage-whispers. Whisper for real or stay quiet. Ugh, do we even have a fourth wall anymore?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 12, 2015, 02:35:07 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 12, 2015, 02:51:26 pm
Great Trees operate on a similar scale, in some manner of speaking. Far greater than typical mortals, at least.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 12, 2015, 02:56:49 pm
Well, I mean, it seems like making a mortal mind/soul to run it from scratch would be more efficient.Possibly, but I do not trust even an immortal mind to run this thing properly.
Great Trees operate on a similar scale, in some manner of speaking. Far greater than typical mortals, at least.
Post by: Andres on August 12, 2015, 11:42:10 pm
Nilva chastises the Wolves for chasing after NHM like rabid...never mind. The Wolves stop their pursuit and apologise to their god for going against their will. As per Nilva's request, they first think about whether it would be right to murder him for committing heresy against literally every god. They promptly begin the chase again.
Nilva expresses her great disappointment with a facepalm. Soon, her priests begin copying the behaviour every time one of their followers says or does something stupid. This somewhat decreases the worship quality and quantity of Nilva's stupid worshippers.
Iliseth in her glorious wisdom creates a further 16,000 Humans to supplement the already existing population. With her nation bolstered by the new additions they once more make war against the CRD. They realise that decreasing casualties on their side will please Iliseth so they actually put some effort into beating their enemies. The war is won by Humanity in a matter of months with the New Kingdom and Great Tribe surrendering soon after. With Humanity as the highest world power and Iliseth as their One True God, world peace is established and the number of Iliseth worshippers explodes, even in non-Human settlements.
Stellarion approaches the most charismatic of Aurors - one who goes by the name of Chuch - and tells him to join an existing clan so that he they can better serve themselves and the races of the world. Stellarion goes to the clan shamans and tells them to accept the Aurors, which they do. The Charismatic Auror, seeing the prosperity of Humankind, joins them with his kin. With Humanity's peace and wealth combined with the Auror's natural ability with space, a new era of space exploration begins. The chitin moon is reached in a span of but three decades..... That's it, actually. That's the only other spatial feature, much to everyone's disappointment. With such an anticlimactic end, the Aurors' faith in Stellarion goes down. Their faith in Iliseth goes up, however, due to their continued contact with Humans.
Stellarion can see that there are four towers.
Luthus breaks into Frederick's palace and insults him for a few minutes. Frederick punches Luthus in the face, his Ring of Protection activating to protect his hand from the force of hitting Luthus' face. (Luthus: -1C)
Spinning Mag child: The child gleefully accepts his lord's request and gathers up his friends to play a new game. Unfortunately, he and his friends are arrested when they try to hide in their neighbours' homes which counts as trespassing.
Maag scout: The scout is reassured and maintains a vigilant watch against the enemy.
The people hear L/iuthus' public service announcement and do as he advises, staging an even larger riot. This has the unintended side effect of burning their entire city down, leaving thousands dead and many more homeless and injured. They blame L/iuthus for this tragedy and most cease worship of him. Seeing Humanity's wealth and the kindness of their character, they ask to join them and the Humans gladly accept. With their Art, housing them is a simple matter. There, they are exposed to Iliseth and seeing the good she's done for her people, universally begin worshipping her.
A bolt of lightning hits L/iuthus on the mention of a "Saint Stirk" and "meta-efforts", which no one except himself hears. (L/iuthus: -1C) ((No meta allowed.))
L/iuthus demands of his people to mark each-other on the forehead for destroying their city on his command. They promptly purchase L/iuthus statuettes and blaspheme heavily against them.
L/iuthus returns all Aurors to their original state, that being non-existence. He then attempts to make them like science and progress but he fails due to them not existing. Humans and Aag alike balk at the genocide and declare L/iuthus the Worst God and one that no one must worship on pain of torturous death. (L/uthus: -allE)
L/iuthus sends a thinly veiled threat to Patronius, earning the hatred of the Great Tribe.
L/uthus listens to prayers, but they are all blasphemies telling him what a horrible person he is.
Mavnon creates a bunch of giant bugs and spreads them across the world. They are promptly devoured by the wolf-based fauna and giant animals. (Mavnon: -6E)
Mavnon declares the great big swathe of land known as the Great March to be entirely off-limits to everyone. Rilem agrees to their god's demand and begin planting plants over there. Over the next few months, the Great March becomes entirely barren. Rilem considers this a sign that making a nature preserve there is a bad idea and begin strip mining it with suspiciously pre-built machinery.
Mavnon fixes a giant rock. (Mavnon: -1E)
Mavnon gives Herema some hippy powers and orders him to spread love and peace among the Dwarves and the Clan Rilem Dwarves. Everyone disregards Herema as a hippy, leading her to getting depressed and committing suicide, all the while wishing that Iliseth was her master instead of Mavnon. (Mavnon: -2E)
Huon is offered protection from the gods in exchange for becoming a High Priest of Mavnon. He declines, stating that he has switched to worshipping Iliseth and that being a base worshipper of hers offers much more protection (and perks) than being a High Priest of Mavnon.
Gai-gen listens to the prayers of his followers, but he's so inactive that pretty much everyone's forgotten he existed and have switched to worshipping Iliseth the Peace Bringer.
Spoiler: Deities (click to show/hide)
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Step up to my level, Stirk.
Post by: Stirk on August 12, 2015, 11:50:36 pm
Fine, as a Stirk of my word, I'll put an update tomorrow ::). Due to your cheating, however, it will have no income calculations >:(.
Post by: Andres on August 12, 2015, 11:54:42 pm
I don't even know what's so difficult about income calculation. Just subtract the previous list with the actions done in the Tick, then add their incomes.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 12, 2015, 11:58:36 pm
Andres, if you want to be more helpful, why don't you do the income calcs that were public so Stirk only has to worry about private ones? That way he can get the new tick to us more quickly _and_ have less work. You know, since it's so easy and all. :P
Post by: Andres on August 13, 2015, 12:00:05 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 13, 2015, 12:01:16 am
Income calcs are rather important.
To be honest, I would almost rather have income calcs before actual turn goes up. I'd be all for delaying it until they were done, as having no idea how much Essence or Crux I have makes it difficult to gauge whether I can afford to spend a bunch of it safely.
Post by: Andres on August 13, 2015, 12:02:41 am
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 12:03:10 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 13, 2015, 12:10:13 am
Please don't, Stirk. I haven't had time to figure out what I want done.This. I actually like the sporadic updates, as they leave room for shenanigans.
Post by: Andres on August 13, 2015, 12:13:27 am
EDIT: Tick 18 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.1860) came out on August 11. Tick 16.4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.1545) came out on July 15. Nearly an actual full month between Ticks. Even worse if you don't count 16.4 as an actual Tick. This goes beyond "sporadic".
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 12:19:50 am
Please don't, Stirk. I haven't had time to figure out what I want done.This. I actually like the sporadic updates, as they leave room for shenanigans.
I wouldn't have updated even if I felt like it, simply due to the fact nobody has posted yet ::). But hey. He spent an hour fulfilling a bet, not like I can turn back now. Well Imma go to bed. Tomorrow I am packing up for a trip Friday, if you can browbeat Andres into retracting by the time I sleep/wakeup/dostuff/gettoactuallyupdating, then I won't do it. If not, then Ill go for it. S0rry, I gue5e.
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EDIT: Tick 18 came out on August 11. Tick 16.4 came out on July 15. Nearly an actual full month between Ticks. Even worse if you don't count 16.4 as an actual Tick.
That is two ticks! And most of that problem was due to the super-confusing war. That ended up not happening anyway.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 12:31:05 am
Bad. Bad fake GM. Didn't anyone teach you to quote everything?
I DECLARE THE FAKEDOP VOID AS IT MISSED MANY ACTIONS.
Post by: Andres on August 13, 2015, 12:37:08 am
You missed my fixing the portals. And EVERYTHING with the Planet.BOLD YOUR ACTIONS.
Bad. Bad fake GM. Didn't anyone teach you to quote everything?
I DECLARE THE FAKEDOP VOID AS IT MISSED MANY ACTIONS.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 12:39:04 am
You still missed them.You missed my fixing the portals. And EVERYTHING with the Planet.BOLD YOUR ACTIONS.
Bad. Bad fake GM. Didn't anyone teach you to quote everything?
I DECLARE THE FAKEDOP VOID AS IT MISSED MANY ACTIONS.
Edit: Fixed the problem. Also, fixed it in a way that clearly indicates the existence of an action in a sea of white-glow white text.
And you missed certain location details on DEFINED actions.
Post by: micelus on August 13, 2015, 02:17:47 am
Post by: Dutrius on August 13, 2015, 04:19:56 am
Can I have a brief summary of what happened in the last 6 ticks or so?
I'll make up some sort of IC reason for my absence.
Post by: Andres on August 13, 2015, 04:45:57 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 05:48:18 am
Actually, in automation, uploading programs to PLCs is called downloading. Don't quite know why, maybe because it stems from a time where you initiated the download from the PLC.Don't suppose you guys want to start getting Essence together?I would, but I have on the order of about jack shit for essence, no actual pressing _need_ for such a planet, and lots of other things I want and/or feel I need to do with my essence first. If you're willing to wait, oh, five to ten ticks for it to be complete, then i could help make the seed and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make overall, but other than that, I'm not really willing to contribute that much when I have my own projects to work on.
I mean, this makes, like, all the spheres but utter destruction of everything happy. Creation, change, growth, magic, science, any gods predicated upon their species...Uh. Well, most spheres focused on making stuff.
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.
Speaking of which, is Izgamlo still playing? I hope?
I'm in the same situation, I need to create a new species or two (or three, I just remembered another one), maybe a moon and the steam engine with Dgetga. I suppose I could delay a few projects, but I'd still need at least two ticks."We are not just hooking up the actual brain to the machine, we are literally downloading the conscious of a mortal, and we are gods after all, it would be easy to just, ya' know, replace the mind every time it goes insane, or just give it lots of entertainment."But wouldn't that be brain uploading? I'm pretty sure that's the proper term.
... Wait, did I come too late? where is everyone?
Oh, and that's not just terminology, the very software, manuals, and such call it that as well.
Uploading is when you take data out of the PLC. It doesn't quite make sense when you're initiating it from the computer that downloads the data.
Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) are little boxy computers (you can easily find the size by image search), they're used for controlling industrial machinery.
We don't use very high tech computers there because of reliability.
Besides, even at it's rather low-tech, a single PLC can control a lot of industrial equipment.
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Anyway, I'm still rather confused as to why Skolld is receiving so much essence, considering he's the worst god ever.
He doesn't even try to paint himself as the very definition of good, since in order to be worshiped, you have to be perfect.
The others, while occasionally admitting wrongdoing, still paint themselves as good guys.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 06:06:56 am
Price check for a void based magic system.
The people of the Void Kingdom seem to have a connection to the void, if Skolld only partially disconnects them, they could be thinking while holding any benefits the Void can offer.
So the Void Magic would be based on existence.
Basically, using the void would utilize powers like turning transparent, silencing sounds, and even phasing through magic, all by way of tampering with the state of existence.
They can also outright unexist parts of objects or people, making it a viable weapon. The only problem is it's dangerous, like, really dangerous.
Turning completely invisible, silent, or phasing through physical objects runs even greater risks of either the mind being taken by the void, or ceasing to exist.
One must run a good balance between existence and the void to safely use it, too much void and it could overtake you, too little void, and it'll be unfamiliar, and hard to detect.
This would of course make people rather strange compared to others, as they're half emotional and half unemotional.
And yes, this is Skolld's plan for the Void Kingdom, hence why he's making sure to bind the King to his emotions, so the King is permanently bound to both emotionless void, and emotions.
Balance in all things, that is the world's binds.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 13, 2015, 06:13:39 am
Can I have a brief summary of what happened in the last 6 ticks or so?Literally nothing besides a couple new gods showing up, and everybody shouting.
also some fourth wall breaking shitposting, but that's par for the course.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 06:25:01 am
Decided to come back. I stopped because I missed a couple of days and just ended up getting overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of posts.Skolld transformed the Cursed Wolves, some of which then went on a rampage, then he made Shamanism, a magic utilizing the spirits of dead Cursed Wolves to do elemental magic.
Can I have a brief summary of what happened in the last 6 ticks or so?
I'll make up some sort of IC reason for my absence.
Then he forced Shamanism onto unwilling people, like he always does, before sabotaging a war.
He now plans to make his own kingdom out of the New Kingdom, which I nickname the Void Kingdom.
Oh, and the New Kingdom popped up, which hates gods and tries to f*** up the other places.
They may or may not be flesh puppets of the void, as they're kinda unemotional.
Some gods accuse one another for helping the Void.
Nilva agonizes Huon, the clothier, yet again, putting googly eyes on him.
Another standing stone awakes, it's a weapon maker, capable of making god-killer weapons.
Oh, and the first standing stone knows many secrets, but doesn't tell them for free.
Oh, and some gods still argue, being jerks to each other, and sending their puppet states to war before making peace, then war, then peace.
Post by: micelus on August 13, 2015, 07:15:28 am
Decided to come back. I stopped because I missed a couple of days and just ended up getting overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of posts.
Can I have a brief summary of what happened in the last 6 ticks or so?
I'll make up some sort of IC reason for my absence.
Where you here when Utter (Jbj) was bound to a mortal form? That happened awhile ago.
Oh and some gods tried to have me killed. They had good reason to, from their perspective.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 13, 2015, 08:46:47 am
Zeus sure as hell wasn't perfect. He just was.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 09:48:14 am
Actually, in automation, uploading programs to PLCs is called downloading. Don't quite know why, maybe because it stems from a time where you initiated the download from the PLC.Don't suppose you guys want to start getting Essence together?I would, but I have on the order of about jack shit for essence, no actual pressing _need_ for such a planet, and lots of other things I want and/or feel I need to do with my essence first. If you're willing to wait, oh, five to ten ticks for it to be complete, then i could help make the seed and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make overall, but other than that, I'm not really willing to contribute that much when I have my own projects to work on.
I mean, this makes, like, all the spheres but utter destruction of everything happy. Creation, change, growth, magic, science, any gods predicated upon their species...Uh. Well, most spheres focused on making stuff.
Probably some other spheres I'm not thinking of, because the actual construction will merit things like binding, any AI complex enough to actually ADMINISTER this would need a soul...Yeah, lots and lots of spheres.
Speaking of which, is Izgamlo still playing? I hope?
I'm in the same situation, I need to create a new species or two (or three, I just remembered another one), maybe a moon and the steam engine with Dgetga. I suppose I could delay a few projects, but I'd still need at least two ticks."We are not just hooking up the actual brain to the machine, we are literally downloading the conscious of a mortal, and we are gods after all, it would be easy to just, ya' know, replace the mind every time it goes insane, or just give it lots of entertainment."But wouldn't that be brain uploading? I'm pretty sure that's the proper term.
... Wait, did I come too late? where is everyone?
Oh, and that's not just terminology, the very software, manuals, and such call it that as well.
Uploading is when you take data out of the PLC. It doesn't quite make sense when you're initiating it from the computer that downloads the data.
Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) are little boxy computers (you can easily find the size by image search), they're used for controlling industrial machinery.
We don't use very high tech computers there because of reliability.
Besides, even at it's rather low-tech, a single PLC can control a lot of industrial equipment.
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Anyway, I'm still rather confused as to why Skolld is receiving so much essence, considering he's the worst god ever.
He doesn't even try to paint himself as the very definition of good, since in order to be worshiped, you have to be perfect.
The others, while occasionally admitting wrongdoing, still paint themselves as good guys.
You clearly know more than I do about that, so I guess you're right.
And you need to work harder if you really want to have a bad reputation, even I can't see your god as a bad one, you always give away stuff and give minor disadvantages to people in exchange but that only seems to be a character quirk instead of malice.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 11:01:59 am
I've never gone to school regarding the inner workings, so if even a single resistor breaks, I'll have to replace the entire PLC, since I don't know how to fail-check them.
But the whole upload/download thing only really works if we're talking old tech. As the PLCs are rather archaic.
Basically, you talked Fallout, so I just figured we might as well do some old fashioned terminology. Nothing really important.
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As for the reputation, Skolld has pretty much cursed people with a lot of things, but isn't doing anything to keep his reputation good.
Yet somehow he's better than gods who do try to paint themselves as the good guys.
Not to mention, how does the gods view him?
Since he's pretty openly tormenting people for his own gain.
Sure no one is perfect, but there's a difference between the good and the bad.
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 11:22:36 am
Well, I don't know a whole lot about the PLCs, I only know the outside parts and how to set them up (program). Thing is, it's simpler to change a program than a bunch of relays.
I've never gone to school regarding the inner workings, so if even a single resistor breaks, I'll have to replace the entire PLC, since I don't know how to fail-check them.
But the whole upload/download thing only really works if we're talking old tech. As the PLCs are rather archaic.
Basically, you talked Fallout, so I just figured we might as well do some old fashioned terminology. Nothing really important.
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As for the reputation, Skolld has pretty much cursed people with a lot of things, but isn't doing anything to keep his reputation good.
Yet somehow he's better than gods who do try to paint themselves as the good guys.
Not to mention, how does the gods view him?
Since he's pretty openly tormenting people for his own gain.
Sure no one is perfect, but there's a difference between the good and the bad.
To put it simply, fear/respect is just as good a motivation for worship as being "good" is. If you look at a list of Gods from almost any given polytheism, along with the myths, a good amount are horrible people who get away with it because they are gods. The only real "Perfect" gods come along with Monotheism, and not-having-competition. The Greek/Romans, the Egyptians, the Aztec, the Akkadians....and a lot of other ancient people's myths are more tragedy than comedy.
Then the fact that you did create a race, who are hardwired to follow you out of gratitude if nothing else, and that a God has been Sealed, helping significantly to increase your influence.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 11:34:18 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 11:37:00 am
Well, I don't know a whole lot about the PLCs, I only know the outside parts and how to set them up (program). Thing is, it's simpler to change a program than a bunch of relays.
I've never gone to school regarding the inner workings, so if even a single resistor breaks, I'll have to replace the entire PLC, since I don't know how to fail-check them.
But the whole upload/download thing only really works if we're talking old tech. As the PLCs are rather archaic.
Basically, you talked Fallout, so I just figured we might as well do some old fashioned terminology. Nothing really important.
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As for the reputation, Skolld has pretty much cursed people with a lot of things, but isn't doing anything to keep his reputation good.
Yet somehow he's better than gods who do try to paint themselves as the good guys.
Not to mention, how does the gods view him?
Since he's pretty openly tormenting people for his own gain.
Sure no one is perfect, but there's a difference between the good and the bad.
Li/uthus sees him as a overall good guy giving mixed blessings to people, kinda like some sort of genie, or maybe a djinn? A lot of the good impression comes from when skolld helped some war refugees to escape. He also don't think the disadvantages of his "curses" outweigh the advantages they give most of the time. He'd like it if he wasn't so unwilling to cooperate though, as he thinks they could potentially work well together in some projects.
As for the brain download/upload/whatever, I was more referring to the general concept from science fiction works instead of a more specific example. I'd think the fallout universe wouldn't be technologically advanced to do this kind of thing safely and reliably, at least not enough for my tastes. You were talking about that AI president(?) in fallout 3, right? Wasn't he insane or something? I haven't played enough to reach him.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 11:44:45 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 11:48:04 am
Nope, in a certain vault in fallout (either 1, 2, tactics, or BOS?) there is a vault with a brain that is hooked up to a computer, it then goes insane and attempts to take over the wasteland with a robot army.
I guess that confirms what I thought anyways. I'd rather base it on a successful attempt that didn't result in madness.
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 11:48:12 am
Hey! I would like to have a price check on project mechus, remember that we have around five or six gods helping.
I guess this is important enough to skip the others :-\.
Which one? There was like five completely different planet plans outlined. In any case, you are looking at 100+ essence, counting all of everything.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 11:53:22 am
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 12:04:37 pm
Everything! It will be the most hodge podged robot planet EVER!!
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Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 12:26:40 pm
Calculator from Vault 0 was a ZAX with 8 brains, but they had decayed over time to make it mad and try to exterminate mankind.
It's from Fallout Tactics.
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But Skolld helped the refugees when he gained something from it, also, Skolld has never made a race.
Sure, he made some creatures (Maag-Wolves, Cursed Wolves, Elemental Beasts, and Blood Silk), but they're derivative, and therefore not his own.
Not to mention, he never really told them that he made them.
Also, how would the people view him? Do they even know he exists? Skolld isn't very public, and whenever he is, he tells people he's a bad guy.
Not to mention, the exclusion of gods could easily include Skolld for his egotistical tendencies.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 13, 2015, 12:28:07 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 12:34:07 pm
There are several things recording divine history for mortals to read. Anything you do in public, the mortals eventually learn about.Including that the most useful resource in dealing with gods, is one of the hardest to obtain?
Blood Silk binds power, but it raises the bodies it attaches to, and gains sapience, and tries to defend itself.
Skolld made zombies.
Edit: It's actually modified Sand Cotton, as it's yet to be named, but I call it Blood Silk from time to time.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 01:04:23 pm
Use mine, it's in the IC.Everything! It will be the most hodge podged robot planet EVER!!
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Edit: Found it.
"In the same vein, if a different level of practicality, some sort of massive surface solar power installations would be a good idea. As for the speciation of layers, that is a very good idea, but if we can lay an enchantment on the planet to make all residents able to successfully cohabitate...Give me a moment, I need to draft more detailed plans."Pantheon ILUT bonus, Stelllarion just helped, Vashna is helping even if a lot of us are ignoring his plans (sorry but I'm slightly more practical than you are, HLG.), FallacyOfUrist's god is helping, whomever Detoxicated's god is is helping, Lithus is helping? ((One of him has explicitly contributed. One hasn't.))
You know I'm serious when I break out bullet points.
Requirements:Aight, I have laid out the requirements. Let's see if we can build this thing.
- Self-sustaining
- Automatic Maintenance
- Not dependent upon magic, despite any utilization of.
- Not dependent upon unattained technology levels, despite any utilization of.
- Modular: Loss of any one section should not jeopardize other sections.
- Habitable for all residents.
- Even in a magic outage, all spaces should be traversable for all residents.
- Reasonable access mechanism-will not suffer problems that require godly intervention to sort out, merely a suitable technician or repair 'bot.
- Pantheon-neutral (yeah right, I'm sure that bit will be shot down.)
- Will encourage technological and thaumatological development, not stifle it with god-tech or a god did it wizardry.
- Will contain a knowledge base, to allow people to catch up to other people quickly, preferably with an access to the Great Library. Although I understand if that's not going to happen.
- Will adapt to growing technological and thaumatological growth. I don't want to force people to live in grass houses after they've got cell phones.
- Conveniently-located transport systems between and across levels.
- Extensibility to accommodate new races.
- Localized resources. ((Somewhat in line with modularity.))
Also, consider pantheon bonuses invoked.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 01:09:50 pm
There are several things recording divine history for mortals to read. Anything you do in public, the mortals eventually learn about.Including that the most useful resource in dealing with gods, is one of the hardest to obtain?
Blood Silk binds power, but it raises the bodies it attaches to, and gains sapience, and tries to defend itself.
Skolld made zombies.
Edit: It's actually modified Sand Cotton, as it's yet to be named, but I call it Blood Silk from time to time.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only thing my character wouldn't like about yours, that and the whole binding him in place while he's trying to defend his people thing.
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 01:53:58 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 01:59:27 pm
Post-Creation planet with those discounts and requirements: 110-130EHow about enough to support 2E of people?
Because, you know, it is modular, we can build outwards later.
...Small spheres, transport tubes...
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 02:04:20 pm
Post by: Dutrius on August 13, 2015, 02:05:43 pm
Where you here when Utter (Jbj) was bound to a mortal form? That happened awhile ago.
Yeah, I was around for that.
Is he still bound?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 02:06:07 pm
Yeah, small biodomes for farming, steam powered elevators, only a moderate amount of robots?No, each place is selfsus should an accident happen. How many times do I have to reiterate that before PEOPLE IGNORE IT AGAIN.
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 02:07:31 pm
Post-Creation planet with those discounts and requirements: 110-130EHow about enough to support 2E of people?
Because, you know, it is modular, we can build outwards later.
...Small spheres, transport tubes...
2E in Default Race: 100-110E.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 02:09:23 pm
Well then, let's just build the whole thing, we get a bulk discount.Post-Creation planet with those discounts and requirements: 110-130EHow about enough to support 2E of people?
Because, you know, it is modular, we can build outwards later.
...Small spheres, transport tubes...
2E in Default Race: 100-110E.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 02:12:17 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on August 13, 2015, 02:23:32 pm
$$$
Actually, I need to check the price for a race I've planned. As the amount of differences from humans would likely cause a >10E cost.Spoiler: Bony Creatures (click to show/hide)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 02:44:16 pm
Where you here when Utter (Jbj) was bound to a mortal form? That happened awhile ago.
Yeah, I was around for that.
Is he still bound?
He found a way to work around it. It's still not clear how much power he has right now, at least not publicly.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 02:45:23 pm
Price check:
Synthesizer capable of working tier three (permanent construction) in the system with the music in.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 13, 2015, 03:17:05 pm
How much to make the Post-Creation Planet with discounts/requirements blahblahblah over 10 turns, via custom World Seed?
Over 5 turns?
Oh, and what's the best method to tell you we're conducting research? Like, can we do it on a small scale or do we just have to try and see what happens?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 03:24:53 pm
Would everybody, like, sound off or something to save us all the trouble of me hunting down everyone involved?
Here or there.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 04:11:40 pm
Fine!
Spoiler: Current Tally, as of posting. PROJECT MEMBERS ONLY. (click to show/hide)
Post by: DreamerGhost on August 13, 2015, 04:19:17 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 04:22:09 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 13, 2015, 06:18:59 pm
the message limit
wait, is that really a thing?
Post by: DreamerGhost on August 13, 2015, 06:23:09 pm
the message limit
wait, is that really a thing?
You are not allowed to send more than 20 PM's/h. Probably to stop spambots. I got stopped at six though.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 13, 2015, 08:47:42 pm
Still bound actually.Where you here when Utter (Jbj) was bound to a mortal form? That happened awhile ago.
Yeah, I was around for that.
Is he still bound?
He found a way to work around it. It's still not clear how much power he has right now, at least not publicly.
Post by: micelus on August 13, 2015, 09:30:41 pm
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 09:32:36 pm
Is Patronious' player still playing? If he has, this war between the Tribe and Aag is going to be very one-sided.
Probably. The next tick is going to be the same "Month long" tick and there is nothing Andres can do to stop that~.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 13, 2015, 10:55:03 pm
Post by: Stirk on August 13, 2015, 10:58:03 pm
So, did my god detector get made?
Yes, but you need a god detector detector to find it.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 13, 2015, 11:08:37 pm
Sigged.So, did my god detector get made?
Yes, but you need a god detector detector to find it.
Post by: Jbg97 on August 14, 2015, 12:03:50 am
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 14, 2015, 12:05:02 am
Liuthus ends up accidentally inventing Scientology and a bunch of Sphere-Earth Atheists pop up, at first seemingly just silly but with a weirdly large following that ends up concealing something troublesome but not necessarily void-related.
Post by: Andres on August 14, 2015, 12:58:15 am
Oh, I'm hurt. :(
:(Is Patronious' player still playing? If he has, this war between the Tribe and Aag is going to be very one-sided.
Probably. The next tick is going to be the same "Month long" tick and there is nothing Andres can do to stop that~.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 14, 2015, 01:58:20 am
Invent printing press and give to clan Rilem. Profit off the now very popular holy books. Only do this if I have enough essence.How fun that Aurosseu's dream journal thing is inefficient to mass produce with a printing press. The cover and pages require craftsmanship no race has the technology to produce artificially, and it needs enough work that hand-copying the first page is simple in comparison. Giving it away with an optional tithe makes sure Aurosseu's church gets any and all profits.
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:10:11 am
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:12:29 am
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:24:26 am
If too long use small font with very thin paper. Or, one could also release the book as volumes.
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:26:48 am
Err black and white illustrations with helpful captions and legends?Black and white pictures don't show the minute differences between poisondeadlyberries and deliciousedibleberries. Good luck keeping customers when they die horribly cause you didn't print it right.
If too long use small font with very thin paper. Or, one could also release the book as volumes.
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:37:47 am
E: also, footnotes and other additions clearly stating similarities between plants so that they can avoid the 'deadly choice' so to speak.
It doesn't matter if the book isnt the most helpful but only that it's the only one available.
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:39:02 am
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:40:40 am
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:41:14 am
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:42:54 am
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:45:19 am
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:48:41 am
Actually, they wouldn't even need to give the book away; just let the publishing companies make a copy.
Edit: hold on, are most people even literate?!
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:50:20 am
Totes gonna work.
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 02:56:10 am
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 02:57:36 am
Post by: micelus on August 14, 2015, 03:04:12 am
You have to remember that trade still occurs, regardeless of politics. Relationships will cross religious lines as the situation demands. E.g, the tolerance and at times friendly relations between muslims and Jews within Al-andalus. Other examples.available too of needed.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 14, 2015, 05:46:16 am
*sees Tick name*Here, have a wolf.
Oh, I'm hurt. :(:(Is Patronious' player still playing? If he has, this war between the Tribe and Aag is going to be very one-sided.
Probably. The next tick is going to be the same "Month long" tick and there is nothing Andres can do to stop that~.
Spoiler: The Wolf (click to show/hide)
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 05:47:11 am
Nilva approves.*sees Tick name*Here, have a wolf.
Oh, I'm hurt. :(:(Is Patronious' player still playing? If he has, this war between the Tribe and Aag is going to be very one-sided.
Probably. The next tick is going to be the same "Month long" tick and there is nothing Andres can do to stop that~.Spoiler: The Wolf (click to show/hide)
((You sure that isn't a huskie? It has a collar.))
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 14, 2015, 06:22:08 am
Post by: Jbg97 on August 14, 2015, 06:23:29 am
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 06:25:25 am
Wait, double parentheses in OOC? Does that mean that there's yet another level of meta in play here? As if I didn't already have a headache from all these fourth wall shenanigans.Welcome to the Wall of Fifths.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 14, 2015, 06:55:18 am
Post by: Andres on August 14, 2015, 07:33:00 am
Post by: Dutrius on August 14, 2015, 07:46:09 am
This is split up into two parts:
1: A number of plants with interesting magical and chemical properties. Say 100 different plants to start with. The plants don't do much in their raw forms, they need processing before they become useful.
2: A system of "magic" that is based around alchemy/chemistry and herbalism, using these plants.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 14, 2015, 08:55:32 am
Anyway. It'd be real nice to know how much Essence I have, Stirk, so I can figure out whether I can make some of the stuff I want to or not.
Prices on the stuff I want to would also be nice, but that's via PMs.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 14, 2015, 01:51:37 pm
A person living in the wilds does not necessarily mean that they want to live in the wilds (outlaws, the extremely impoverished, ferals,.those who are lost, etc.). If offered enough wealth/rights/vices/etc., I'm sure at least one person would accept the deal.
Actually, they wouldn't even need to give the book away; just let the publishing companies make a copy.
Edit: hold on, are most people even literate?!
The Aag nation certainly is, with the mandatory public education. My church is also providing free education wherever they are, so literacy probably isn't that uncommon.
Post by: ~Neri on August 14, 2015, 01:53:41 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 14, 2015, 01:55:19 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 14, 2015, 02:01:00 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 14, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
Better question is; how many different languages are there, and how many different forms of writing?A person living in the wilds does not necessarily mean that they want to live in the wilds (outlaws, the extremely impoverished, ferals,.those who are lost, etc.). If offered enough wealth/rights/vices/etc., I'm sure at least one person would accept the deal.
Actually, they wouldn't even need to give the book away; just let the publishing companies make a copy.
Edit: hold on, are most people even literate?!
The Aag nation certainly is, with the mandatory public education. My church is also providing free education wherever they are, so literacy probably isn't that uncommon.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 14, 2015, 03:16:20 pm
Better question is; how many different languages are there, and how many different forms of writing?A person living in the wilds does not necessarily mean that they want to live in the wilds (outlaws, the extremely impoverished, ferals,.those who are lost, etc.). If offered enough wealth/rights/vices/etc., I'm sure at least one person would accept the deal.
Actually, they wouldn't even need to give the book away; just let the publishing companies make a copy.
Edit: hold on, are most people even literate?!
The Aag nation certainly is, with the mandatory public education. My church is also providing free education wherever they are, so literacy probably isn't that uncommon.
I taught them English. I suppose anyone able to read an obelisk also speaks that language, so that's probably one of (if not the) most used language.
Post by: DreamerGhost on August 14, 2015, 03:45:14 pm
Now for Stirk to not update for a month again and we will fall again, this time to an elaborate RP/chat thread.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 14, 2015, 04:03:24 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 14, 2015, 04:05:49 pm
"OH! Can I be cop? Or maybe doctor? If I am doctor then everyone will have IMPLANTS!!"Nah, you'll just be lynched.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 14, 2015, 04:06:23 pm
"OH! Can I be cop? Or maybe doctor? If I am doctor then everyone will have IMPLANTS!!"
Oy! I already have a guy that does implants. If there's going to be any of these they'll be done by the Dr. Mangler.
Post by: Ama on August 14, 2015, 11:06:25 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 14, 2015, 11:16:55 pm
"What the us is this place?"The place where people playing a game talk about it. Congratulations on breaking the Fourth Wall, by the way, but IcyTea might bring out the Broom Of Sweeping IC To The IC Thread soon enough.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 15, 2015, 06:20:07 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 15, 2015, 06:35:52 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 15, 2015, 07:39:19 am
"Stop going beyond the fourth barrier."
Skolld readies some red silky ribbons.
"Don't make me bind you."
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 15, 2015, 08:01:57 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 15, 2015, 08:03:36 am
Last warning.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 15, 2015, 08:11:56 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 15, 2015, 08:16:20 am
/me sweeps the thread to push the gods back to where they belong, then repairs the fourth wall.
Post by: Andres on August 15, 2015, 08:17:56 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 15, 2015, 08:25:04 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 15, 2015, 08:39:24 am
Dgetga returns an all-metal broom to IcyTea after repeatedly whacking Vashna with the handle. It can't make him worse.
He then returns to his side of the Fourth Wall, DRAGGING VASHNA WITH HIM.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 15, 2015, 08:46:46 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 15, 2015, 08:48:23 am
Skolld starts fixing the fourth wall by tying it with tons and tons of ribbons. It looks like a tangled mess, as Skolld doesn't know how to tie knots.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 15, 2015, 08:50:55 am
[Skolld, God of Binding and Bone]I fix the knots.
Skolld starts fixing the fourth wall by tying it with tons and tons of ribbons. It looks like a tangled mess, as Skolld doesn't know how to tie knots.
Post by: Andres on August 15, 2015, 08:58:26 am
[Skolld, God of Binding and Bone]Are you honestly trying to say that the god of Binding doesn't know how to make a good bind?
Skolld starts fixing the fourth wall by tying it with tons and tons of ribbons. It looks like a tangled mess, as Skolld doesn't know how to tie knots.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 15, 2015, 09:14:37 am
Post by: Dutrius on August 15, 2015, 09:27:37 am
Post by: Happy Demon on August 15, 2015, 11:05:49 am
He uses chains for a reason.[Skolld, God of Binding and Bone]Are you honestly trying to say that the god of Binding doesn't know how to make a good bind?
Skolld starts fixing the fourth wall by tying it with tons and tons of ribbons. It looks like a tangled mess, as Skolld doesn't know how to tie knots.
He never tied with cloth before, and Metanite doesn't melt well.
Post by: Stirk on August 15, 2015, 08:58:14 pm
So what does that mean for this game? Maybe nothing...Maybe everything. Maybe something in the middle. We all know I am not half the DM he is, when it comes to God games....
Post by: Andres on August 15, 2015, 08:58:30 pm
EDIT: I don't even care that I was ninja'd!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on August 15, 2015, 11:18:41 pm
((Yesterday, I jokingly predicted to a (non-B12) friend that soon all IC in this game will be handled in the OOC thread, and all OOC in the IC thread.You heard the man. Let's keep OOC here.
WHAT HAVE I DONE))
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 15, 2015, 11:26:17 pm
Just kidding. No broom.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 16, 2015, 01:06:24 am
((....And you talk to non-bay 12 friends about us? What do you say?))He's an avid roleplayer, so I pointed out how badly the fourth wall had broken in a game I was playing. I gave him a link to this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6442920#msg6442920).
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 16, 2015, 01:11:26 am
Yaay((....And you talk to non-bay 12 friends about us? What do you say?))He's an avid roleplayer, so I pointed out how badly the fourth wall had broken in a game I was playing. I gave him a link to this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6442920#msg6442920).
Post by: Tomasque on August 27, 2015, 05:24:49 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on August 27, 2015, 05:26:37 pm
We still want an update.
Post by: Stirk on August 27, 2015, 05:33:17 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on August 27, 2015, 05:51:21 pm
Post by: Tomasque on August 28, 2015, 06:41:51 pm
Post by: Stirk on August 28, 2015, 07:20:55 pm
Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
Anyway, I might as well make it official. Due to KJP and Ye Gods being back, on top of me going back to school, Litany is on Hiatus until further notice. I will probably start it up again, either as a continuation or a new game entirely, at some point in the future. If we decide that any continuation will be a restart, then I will pull an End-Game likely over Winter Break.
Post by: Happy Demon on August 28, 2015, 07:22:51 pm
Nyoro~n.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
Anyway, I might as well make it official. Due to KJP and Ye Gods being back, on top of me going back to school, Litany is on Hiatus until further notice. I will probably start it up again, either as a continuation or a new game entirely, at some point in the future. If we decide that any continuation will be a restart, then I will pull an End-Game likely over Winter Break.
Post by: Dutrius on August 28, 2015, 07:23:38 pm
Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
Anyway, I might as well make it official. Due to KJP and Ye Gods being back, on top of me going back to school, Litany is on Hiatus until further notice. I will probably start it up again, either as a continuation or a new game entirely, at some point in the future. If we decide that any continuation will be a restart, then I will pull an End-Game likely over Winter Break.
Fair enough.
Post by: Stirk on August 28, 2015, 07:24:25 pm
Nyoro~n.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
Anyway, I might as well make it official. Due to KJP and Ye Gods being back, on top of me going back to school, Litany is on Hiatus until further notice. I will probably start it up again, either as a continuation or a new game entirely, at some point in the future. If we decide that any continuation will be a restart, then I will pull an End-Game likely over Winter Break.
Hey! You have KJP now. He actually does everything he is supposed to! On a more-or-less daily bases, even...
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 28, 2015, 07:27:18 pm
One is never enough.
Post by: Tomasque on August 28, 2015, 07:42:47 pm
I am the moon.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
*Rolls a natural 20 on his bluff roll*
Post by: Stirk on August 28, 2015, 07:48:09 pm
I am the moon.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
*Rolls a natural 20 on his bluff roll*
Fool, this game uses d100! The GM is not fooled into believing you are the Chitin Moon, and fills you with Ants as punishment.
Post by: Andres on August 28, 2015, 08:02:35 pm
But the GM can only do stuff who play his game, so Tomasque is officially a player. Just as planned?I am the moon.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
*Rolls a natural 20 on his bluff roll*
Fool, this game uses d100! The GM is not fooled into believing you are the Chitin Moon, and fills you with Ants as punishment.
Post by: Stirk on August 28, 2015, 08:04:10 pm
But the GM can only do stuff who play his game, so Tomasque is officially a player. Just as planned?I am the moon.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
*Rolls a natural 20 on his bluff roll*
Fool, this game uses d100! The GM is not fooled into believing you are the Chitin Moon, and fills you with Ants as punishment.
I am perfectly capable of stuffing someone full of ants in Real Life, thank-you-very-much.
Post by: Tomasque on August 29, 2015, 10:02:49 am
And I didn't even have to make a character sheet...But the GM can only do stuff who play his game, so Tomasque is officially a player. Just as planned?I am the moon.Derp.
...Wait a second...You don't even play this game. Who are you?!
*Rolls a natural 20 on his bluff roll*
Fool, this game uses d100! The GM is not fooled into believing you are the Chitin Moon, and fills you with Ants as punishment.
Post by: Dutrius on August 29, 2015, 10:13:17 am
Post by: Stirk on August 31, 2015, 12:43:29 am
So, as we where debating in YG's OOC, what should we do about this game? All these options will *hopefully* happen in several months time, with a minimum of probably a month long break. These will not happen as long as YG continues, unless I somehow find myself wanting to do it for some reason. Whatever, pole up, Stirk is done typing.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on August 31, 2015, 01:55:22 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 31, 2015, 08:03:13 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on August 31, 2015, 08:08:51 am
Post by: Stirk on August 31, 2015, 09:16:04 am
Seeing how the mortals do for a few millennia without godly intervention could be interesting I guess.
That just means I have to write something interesting for each race :-\.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 31, 2015, 09:24:27 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on August 31, 2015, 09:34:32 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 31, 2015, 09:37:55 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on August 31, 2015, 09:38:56 am
The fun part is, Aurosseu's sphere of Dreams will have huge influence in the downtime, both among the gods and the mortals to whose dreams coming true not even the sky's a limit.So would Dgetga's.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on August 31, 2015, 09:52:36 am
The fun part is, Aurosseu's sphere of Dreams will have huge influence in the downtime, both among the gods and the mortals to whose dreams coming true not even the sky's a limit.So would Dgetga's.
I'd also imagine getting a huge bonus if the worlds progress to the modern era.
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2015, 09:52:45 am
Teburshe would probably become a patron of megacorps and new companies growing to massive size.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on August 31, 2015, 10:18:03 am
It'll certainly mean more work for you, but you're the one that put it in as a option. I'd be fine with either of the other two alternatives if you don't feel up to it.Seeing how the mortals do for a few millennia without godly intervention could be interesting I guess.
That just means I have to write something interesting for each race :-\.
Post by: Stirk on August 31, 2015, 11:00:46 am
It'll certainly mean more work for you, but you're the one that put it in as a option. I'd be fine with either of the other two alternatives if you don't feel up to it.Seeing how the mortals do for a few millennia without godly intervention could be interesting I guess.
That just means I have to write something interesting for each race :-\.
Psh, I didn't think everyone would take it.
See whats happening? Now everyone is expecting huge bonuses. Which means they would be expecting me to actually get calcs done for some reason...
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on August 31, 2015, 11:12:10 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on August 31, 2015, 02:04:24 pm
Post by: hops on September 20, 2015, 03:52:59 am
Post by: Andres on September 20, 2015, 03:56:39 am
I'm thinking of joining this tomorrow. What should I know that isn't on the first page?This game is on permanent hiatus. The game this one was based on got a sequel with the coming of the original creator's return. You can find it here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=152640.0) Ye Gods 2 is like this one, except the time between Ticks is days rather than months.
Post by: hops on September 20, 2015, 03:59:46 am
Post by: Andres on September 20, 2015, 04:03:32 am
Oh, I thought it was still ongoing. I guess that proves God games don't live long.This one lasted for months. Ye Gods 1 Lasted for somewhere close to half a year. Each of these games have hundreds of pages in them. These god games most certainly last long.
Post by: hops on September 20, 2015, 04:09:29 am
Oh, wait, it's been that long? Man, my sense of time here is distorted as heck.Oh, I thought it was still ongoing. I guess that proves God games don't live long.This one lasted for months. Ye Gods 1 Lasted for somewhere close to half a year. Each of these games have hundreds of pages in them. These god games most certainly last long.
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 20, 2015, 04:24:40 am
Post by: Stirk on September 20, 2015, 11:03:00 am
Oh, I thought it was still ongoing. I guess that proves God games don't live long.
It was, then the guy who made the game this is based off of came back and I didn't see much point in continuing this one~. It will start again probably maybe one day, but will time skip to modern times (If the pole results stay consistent.)
**EDIT**
Just for the record, we started on May 27 and went into official hiatus on August 28. 93 days, or 3 months and 1 day, or almost 1/4 a year exactly.
Post by: Tomasque on September 28, 2015, 08:52:02 am
Post by: Happy Demon on September 28, 2015, 08:56:45 am
HelloHello, this is kinda inactive at the moment, due to Stirk participating in another god game. Namely Ye Gods 2.
Post by: Stirk on October 26, 2015, 07:07:02 pm
Currently: 19 votes! That is almost everyone active at the time the game ended.
Winner: Timeskip sleep to Modern Times!
Which leads to the question: How should I "Distribute" technology? Should I do it myself, generally improving as I see fit? Should I let everyone state what their races focused their general efforts on? Or should I just give everyone a blanket technology to the point they are all the same? Or should I do something else not-off-the-top of my head?
Non spoilery example with the Humans.
Option 1: "Fedrich, who remains control over the majority humanity with the Artifacts and Knowledge granted to him, is greatly saddened by the loss of his God. He prayed every day for ten years, stopping only to do his holy duties of ruling the Empire and to eat. Finally realizing he will never get an answer, he decided to look for his God himself. The humans develop balloons, then blimps and biplanes, before jets and space-ships and air-fortresses, ruling the skies in search of a God who may never awaken....
Option 2: Andres: The Human focus on SUPER KOOL TECHNOLOGY I SAW INA ANIME ONCE GUYS! ((Joking, Andres :P. But as their creator, he would get to outline their focuses to what he wants. Some control over their society changes (like Fredrich stepping down and letting the Great Tribe rule itself) would also be allowed.))
Option 3: The humans get generic guns, generic planes, generic computers, etc. So do the Dwarves, Elves, Orcs, Treeguys, Aag...
Post by: Dutrius on October 26, 2015, 07:11:53 pm
Post by: gman8181 on October 26, 2015, 08:10:04 pm
Seriously though, I'd be fine with whatever.
Now, I just need to go remind myself of what I did this game.
Post by: Stirk on October 26, 2015, 08:19:24 pm
What works best for YOU Stirk?
Seriously though, I'd be fine with whatever.
Now, I just need to go remind myself of what I did this game.
Me? I don't really care in any case. Each has advantages and disadvantages.
Post by: micelus on October 26, 2015, 08:20:41 pm
The Clan probably went agnostic/atheistic by now, knowing Mavnon's teachings. Militant atheists with crusades. Militant atheists with robot angels who fight the crusades.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 26, 2015, 08:29:05 pm
So maybe a meritocracy.
Post by: DontBanTheMan on October 26, 2015, 08:55:46 pm
Post by: ~Neri on October 26, 2015, 09:36:18 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 26, 2015, 10:08:53 pm
Post by: Stirk on October 26, 2015, 10:15:00 pm
So... would it be worth working up a sheet for this..?
Making character sheets is fun. Do what you want, but right now this only being considered as an emergency-backup with no plans to actually get it up-and-running any time soon.
Post by: Rolepgeek on October 26, 2015, 10:45:16 pm
You seem to do well with our stuff when given free reign. :p
Post by: Andres on October 27, 2015, 04:49:56 am
We may also need a recap to refresh our memories. After such a long time I and probably others have forgotten who's allied to who, what problems there are, what races exist, etc.
Post by: Happy Demon on October 27, 2015, 07:17:48 am
Guess I'll just have them pop-up then.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on October 27, 2015, 12:36:54 pm
Post by: crazyabe on October 27, 2015, 01:01:56 pm
Post by: Stirk on October 27, 2015, 01:12:16 pm
When this game is running again, would it be open to new players?
If the game starts running again, it will continue to have an unlimited maximum. New players are always accepted, even when under hiatus.
Post by: crazyabe on October 27, 2015, 01:24:09 pm
Spoiler: Sheet (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 27, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
This...What...This doesn't physics...Spoiler: Sheet (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 27, 2015, 02:46:09 pm
No, that doesn't make sense. But then again, Aurosseu doesn't either. Welcome aboard the crazy train, crazyabe.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 27, 2015, 03:00:45 pm
My guess is that strong force murdered electromagnetic force to allow protons and electrons in the same ball. Then gravity sent the murderous fundamental to jail and took over, turning all of the particles to neutrons for convenience, as otherwise the protons wouldn't stay still. This broke space, as this prevented molecular bonds, which made time very angry, evicting gravity and the experimenting from itself. Then time repaired space. This leaves weak force, arguably the weirdest of the fundamentals, to keep things together, which it certainly isn't good at. Hence, radiation. As we know, radiation causes mutations in genes. Most of them end up bad, but the few that survive this unnatural selection end up stronger than before, bringing much evolution in beings at the cost of many others' lives.... What was I expecting, anyway, he's crazy, he says so.
No, that doesn't make sense. But then again, Aurosseu doesn't either. Welcome aboard the crazy train, crazyabe.
;P
Welcome.
Post by: crazyabe on October 27, 2015, 05:26:32 pm
Post by: Stirk on October 28, 2015, 01:33:13 pm
Anyway, speaking of Magic, did anyone ever make a list of magic? I never found one, and that is probably something somewhat important in determining how everything played out.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on October 28, 2015, 03:29:12 pm
....Soooo now I will have to remember everything that happened so I can properly right their general history :-\. Oh well. I'm good at improve.http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151027.msg6313781;topicseen#msg6313781
Anyway, speaking of Magic, did anyone ever make a list of magic? I never found one, and that is probably something somewhat important in determining how everything played out.
Post by: Stirk on October 28, 2015, 11:12:04 pm
Great Tribe:
Fedrich, who remains control over the majority humanity with the Artifacts and Knowledge granted to him, is greatly saddened by the loss of his God. He prayed every day for ten years, stopping only to do his holy duties of ruling the Empire and to eat. Finally realizing he will never get an answer, he decided to look for his God himself. The humans develop balloons, then blimps and biplanes, before jets and space-ships and air-fortresses, ruling the skies in search of a God who may never awaken....
Even without the influence of their God, Fredrich's leadership skills and Faith kept the majority of the population held fast to the ideals of Leadership, as Fredrich made them a necessitate to hold a leadership position. This focus, along with the inherent lust for power, allowed for the nation to expand far and wide. For the most part, relationship with other Races and nations is friendly, including the smaller Human Tribes. The Nomads had been investigated by the finest agents the Tribe had to offer, leading them to be banished from the Great Tribe lands and burned when found (Along with their positions) by Humans in gas-masks.
The focus on "Looking up" (in position, in wealth, in the sky) lead to many of the city's constructions towering into sky-scrappers. Even small towns generally have a massive building for docking aircraft. The towns can often by identified from miles away-if not by the tall towers themselves, then by the number of aircraft moving between them. The roads are less and less used as time goes on, with the wealth and technology of the Great Tribe allowing for the use of personal aircraft when others would place a road. Roads still exist, naturally the high-volume of trade the nation produces brings many foreigners to the dirt roads lining the country. Crime is low, technology is high, and population is high.
Nomads:
Early on, a child of indeterminate gender was born to a certain group of nomads. As they grew, it was found that this young fellow was exceptional in almost everything the Nomads had value in. Intelligent, charismatic, and with great control over their abilities, this creature quickly became what other nations would consider a "Leader", giving out advice and generally organizing the Nomads. This specific nomad, (Insert name here Kevak, cuz' I can't find it and using all these pronouns is getting weird), seemed to stop aging once they became a young adult, proving themselves to be Immortal.
Perhaps the most important event of the time was that their Secret had gotten out. The existence of Shifters and The Virus has become public knowledge. It started out slowly, generation after generation keeping the secret as tightly as it could. The other races began putting two and two together, began circulating rumors that became legends that had been investigated. It was simply impossible for them to keep such a big secret so long from the world. After people became suspicious, two major Investigations took place, each bringing the knowledge into the world secretly. The first was ordered by Fredrich, who was already suspicious of them before the Gods left. A crack-team of the Greatest Guards and Hunters a super-power had to offer began tracking, stalking, and watching a group of nomads from a time, often using still-primitive spy balloons and their knowledge of wind patterns to avoid detection by sight or smell. If their witnessing the events was not enough, they managed to snap a picture of a Shifting with a primitive camera. This Investigation lead to great outrage in many nation, especially the Great Tribe, leading to Nomads being driven out by mobs wielding bullets and flame weapons. The second "Investigation", happening about the same time, took place among the Intellectual elites at the Colleges of the Aag, Rilem, and Dwarves. When putting their intelligence towards the Nomads, they discovered several patterns that they begun to analyze and investigate. Several Ritual Stone pilgrims (of the stones that remained) had been granted Knowledge of the Nomads during this Investigation, leading to a deeper and more scientific based knowledge of the Nomads in countries effected by the Second Investigation. While laws are in place to avoid several their actions that have been marked "Detrimental to society", so long as they behave themselves, they are generally welcome in the Aag nation, along with most Rilem and Dwarf nations.
Their main focus on technology has been biological, ever sense they began focusing on what the heck these "Stomachs" and "Hearts" Nilva ordered them to make where. Their nomadic lifestyle made it difficult to achieve large amounts of metal and other useful material the other race's advance with, making them less advanced in several other areas. Nomad camps often have a hosh-posh of metallic equipment and weaponry, taken from any nation that would give it. For the most part, however, they have been capable of great feats of genetic engineering, and have researched their own power to the point that much of their technology is simply one of them with a new strain of Virus. That is to say, their Virus had been investigated to the point they had been capable of changing its properties and abilities to the extent many believe Nilva willed it that way. Instead of cars and trucks, they simply use a Nomad with the ability to grow especially large and run especially fast while carrying a heavy load. Nomads often travel on these, whole caravans on bizarre creatures the world has never seen before, from dozen-legged wolfspider buses to simply large wolves, depending on the whim and imagination of the particular Nomad. Even objects complex as computers had been left to a Strained Nomad, with extensive research going into the brain to allow for certain Nomads to be able to compute incredibly quickly, store vast amounts of information, and even give other information to other computer-types with a simple transfer. Other research includes extensive studies into (INH)'s genes. Researchers discovered that, while half of (INH)'s genes had been from a mortal, the other half isn't like anything they have seen before. This has lead them to believe (INH) is a demigod, leading to numerous (failed) experiment's with the holy DNA. This is often brought up as evidence in the existence of Gods in many of the more Atheistic nations.
They also found out the extent of the average Nomad's abilities, with a small outlying here.
-Shifters have variable abilities, depending on the particular Strain of Virus effecting them. Some are able to make themselves stronger than others, while others can hold their form under more trauma, while others can become smaller/larger. Even among the same strand, individual abilities seem to effect performance.
-Increased amounts of hearts, lungs, and other vital organs do not seem to increase the ability of the Shifter to resist trauma in any way, let alone make them near-invincible. Shifters seem to transform back into their "Original" forms if too much trauma is sustained, with this new form being dead upon transformation.
-There is a limit to how fast, strong, large, small, etc a shifter can make himself. Making multiple stomachs and devouring more biomatter does not allow them to get larger, nor does implanting more onto any of their forms.
Population: Very high, Technology (Niche), Crime is moderate (High to Non-Nomads), and Wealth is low.
New Kingdom:
When the Gods where inactive, the New King seemed to be as well. He simply vanished without a trace one day, the exact moment the Gods lost contact. Without a single leader to unify their Aggression, they mostly kept to tiny skirmishes and battles with bordering nations, doing their best to expand when possible. They mostly focused inwards, battling against each other, fighting to see who is worthy of being the next New King. Occasionally, a powerful Warlord would finally take over the nation and go on a new assault, often being pushed back by allied nations with relatively little difficulty, but never falling fully. The boarders with Aag, the Great Tribe, and other major nations are full-on dematerialized zones, with armed guards on each side of the boarder constantly at watch near a series of big guns with a field full of land-mines, air-mines, and razor-wire.
Despite this constant state of internal combat, their diversity of Races has generally been an advantage to them. With a wide-verity of skills and abilities, they have moderate performance in every respect. Often, much of their Wealth and Technology is plundered from what they can manage to take, but they do have a substantial amount of generated wealth and technology within them. In fact, they seem to have a particular skill with Weapons technology, on par with that of even the Dwarves, with every warlord giving whatever resources necessary to give them the edge and generally preferring to capture enemy scientists for their own use.
Other than that, the relative "Newness" makes it hard to right on this kingdom. Their piety is unknown, though it is believed that Nothing is worshiped on a large scale, with no true facts to prove it. Population Medium, technology medium (Weapons Very High), Crime (Lawless!), Wealth medium-low.
Chitin Ants:
With the permanent portal to the Aag, the nation changed substantially. New technology was brought in as part of the Aag Aant Aaliance, mostly one way. The Ants have been rather poor at crafting their own technology, with only certain types having the ability to do any sort of innovation. However, they had been able to make great strides in the fields of magic, with their innate understanding surpassing that of the Aag. Often, their own innovations are magical in nature, with the rare joint-effort with the Aag to create magitech devices, focusing on the magi-part.
The Ants sometimes venture out into the wider world, but only under strict watch. Even in the Aag main city, they are simply in too much danger walking alone on the streets, where an errant foot could end their life with the murderer being none-the-wiser. Even those that do venture out return home for the night, they still need food from their home-land to survive. The opposite, normal creatures going to the moon, varied from being a common sight to being nearly unheard of over time. It is currently uncommon, but becoming more so. New portal-based digging allowed for normal sized constructs to be ripped out of the moon with relatively little difficulty, which has also allowed each ant to have a comparative abundance of personal space. Larger creatures on the Moon generally survive with supplies stored on the moon using the Ant's pyromancery based storage system. They often perform technological work for the ants, who are often unable to even work the technology granted to them (do as much to the size of it as their lack of knowledge on how to work it.) Unfortunately, there is the occasional rampage by the Larger races, often stomping on or otherwise killing hundreds of Ants before being put down by a magic attack (or, more rarely, another Large race). The most recent (having lead to a decline of Large races on the moon) was an entire squad of New Kingdom Saboteurs who had infiltrated the Aag and jumped through the portal equipped with powerful flamethrowers. Thousand had died in minutes before the Ant King himself through them directly into the moon's core with a portal.
Socially, the Ants do not change much, aside from their new alliances. The Ant King was never overthrown, despite many attempts at this. More and more ants are born, but growth-magic technology coupled with new tunnel building techniques allowed for overpopulation to never have been a problem. Ants are still ants.
Technology: Aag-borrowed (Magic High), crime is nearly non-existent, and few ants truly value "Wealth" in the same way the other races do. Population is extreme, but they are still ants.
Aaaand Stirk needs a rest and is out of ideas for now, but this should give you the general idea of what Example 1 would be. Individual technologies would be improvised by me based on the descriptions. I will try to make the societies as detailed as I can with sticking to the race's identity, and I should probably add more to the Ants and New Kingdom examples if I can think of something to put. Things will-no doubt- be retconned as I remember how things used to work, other things that exist, other things that don't exist, etc.
Was that really all, the magic? I could have sworn there was more then that :-\.
Post by: Stirk on October 29, 2015, 12:13:38 am
Err, IIRC, I had either just introduced or was about to introduce alchemy to the Loi'naaryt, so I'm guessing they'd become either environmentally friendly pharmaceutical specialists or hippy druggies.
I don't remember anything about the Loi'naryt, 'cept they used Ironwood. I blame the letter-salad name and the fact they didn't do anything :-\. What was Alchemy again? I don't remember any Alchemy.
As you see fit but take in mind what the races currently focus on. Or do something completely crazy and justify that with the power of history.
The Clan probably went agnostic/atheistic by now, knowing Mavnon's teachings. Militant atheists with crusades. Militant atheists with robot angels who fight the crusades.
I'll try to, if I can remember anything :P. At your suggestion, I will try to fit that belief in. The Clan-Rilem are currently not-really-focused on Military Crusady type thingies, if I remember correctly. My general idea is that, with forces working to bring the Clan-Dwarves and the Noral-Dwarves together, they ended up becoming allies for the most part. The college and cultural exchanges between the Aag and the Clan are on and off, with several tense events and even war breaking out at times between them (though not ideologically driven crusades, mostly because I remember Mavnon and Lithus/Luthus not getting along :P). No robotic angels though, that is a little past the current tech-limit. Unless tanks and planes count. Should they? I count them...
Dgetagans probably continued along technological expansion paths, plus magic.
So maybe a meritocracy.
The Dgetagans did nothin', so I have no clue what happened :-\. I forgot they even existed.
I'd say Option 1. I think the mortals should just progress as they see fit (you being the mortals) without US (the gods) intervening; after all, we are asleep. Mayhaps blanket technologies that we all have (we'd all have steel, and coal, and firearms, for example) but certain technologies might be unique to certain races (sky fortresses unique to frederick in your example, or advanced computing machines unique to dwarves, or tanks unique to Clan Rilem for example).
Option 1 has something like that, with individual technologies varying from nation to nation. Mortals have certainly had enough time to know such basic things as steel, coal, and firearms by this point.
Which is the option that allows for technology and magic to advance as it would according to general trends started by the actions of the gods? If I remember correctly, Iliseth was pushing for greater usage of Art in all areas of life.
We may also need a recap to refresh our memories. After such a long time I and probably others have forgotten who's allied to who, what problems there are, what races exist, etc.
Someone else would have to do the recap, 'cuz I have no clue. The options are generally based around the actions of Gods (before going away), the personality of the race, and whatever Stirk feels like writing at the second.
Currently, Art had become popular among the areas Iliseth had influenced quite quickly. This meant the Human Tribes (And, later, Human Alliance, the Tribes had banded together in a state/providence system somewhere along the line) at the beginning. Elsewhere, it was fairly noted, though not wide spread. The Human Alliance and the Great Tribe became trading partners and allies relatively early. The Great Tribe was pleasantly surprised by the versatility of Art, which had been applied in ways I haven't come up with yet throughout the nation. All of Humanity, still being her creation despite a good portion no longer following her, soon had the majority of its Mages practice art. As time went on, it was found to be one of the most effective for "Magi-tech", despite not being magic, again do to its versatility. This increased its prominence even further, in addition to its natural powers. It eventually became one of the most prominent "magic" practiced in the world, facing portal magic for first place. The majority of Humans train their souls, often practicing Universal art in their day-to-day lives to limited extent. There are still a comparatively small amount of "Mages" who are capable of doing much more then the limited practice of most humans, it is not that the average human is an expert mage. Most have their abilities limited to running magi-tech, often choosing elements based on their need. It is part of the curriculum in most human schools, usually as separate class alongside math and science. In other races, it usually has a fair share of mages, though it is rare among the Ants (Who are nearly incapable of using it, and shine in "true" magic), the Clan Rilem Dwarves (Who's magic continues to focus on the Portal Plans), and is looked on with mixed reactions by the Nomads.
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I will NOTbe processing any actions from tick 18, if we ever started up again. You will be considered to have froze at the beginning of the tick, which will be explained again in detail if I ever put it up. That is why some of this information contradicts some actions posted on that tick. Mostly 'cuz that would be a lot of work, I would have to remember everything then income calc then price check then reread everything then find the 1000 PMs you left me from that tick....and in the End, it wouldn't have a huuuuge effect on what happened over the Break anyway. You will be at full E/P/F and will be able to go back to preform any action you wanted to preform on tick 18 on tick 1 of Symphony of the Void (The working title of the next round, if it ever gets up.... which it probably won't). Because this is easiest for Stirk.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on October 29, 2015, 04:58:23 am
Quick question: What happened to that Monster who tried to steal artifacts?
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 29, 2015, 05:18:04 am
Symphony of the Void (The working title of the next round, if it ever gets up.... which it probably won't).As if the gods could and would ever work in enough harmony to form a single verse of metaphorical music, let alone an entire symphony. :P
Going with the music metaphor, which instruments do y'all think your gods would play in an orchestra? Personally, I think the saxophone would fit Aurosseu, with its smooth and potentially dreamy timbre and weird qualities, such as being a woodwind instrument despite being made of brass.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 29, 2015, 05:23:59 am
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on October 29, 2015, 06:10:15 am
Alicia would probably play her Psaltery :^)Symphony of the Void (The working title of the next round, if it ever gets up.... which it probably won't).As if the gods could and would ever work in enough harmony to form a single verse of metaphorical music, let alone an entire symphony. :P
Going with the music metaphor, which instruments do y'all think your gods would play in an orchestra? Personally, I think the saxophone would fit Aurosseu, with its smooth and potentially dreamy timbre and weird qualities, such as being a woodwind instrument despite being made of brass.
Post by: micelus on October 29, 2015, 06:48:23 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 29, 2015, 08:13:02 am
Quote from: Gai-gen
"Why should I play any instrument? Music is irrelevant and unnecessary."
I believe that at the modern times, interbreeding between the dwarven species has mostly ironed out the differences. If the Gai-un was published before the gods slept, however... not so much due to the anti-Mavnon commandment.
And whatever happened to Sankis? As a result of his immortality, he would be still alive. (though his memory might be fuzzy)
By now, I'd be surprised if there weren't a large number of Machine Priest run universities.
Post by: micelus on October 29, 2015, 08:32:25 am
Post by: Stirk on October 29, 2015, 10:08:42 am
I like it! :D
Quick question: What happened to that Monster who tried to steal artifacts?
He seems to have went off into the still-vast unknowns of the fragments, devouring flesh of beasts and practicing magic. He grew quite large in this time, larger than most Great Beasts before him, and seems to be more powerful in general. Unfortunately for him, he is lost in the vastness of the fragments, unable to find any artifacts or locate a place to place portals. This had the effect of keeping him away from any civilizations that might try to combat him, or the adventurers who hound him.
Symphony of the Void (The working title of the next round, if it ever gets up.... which it probably won't).As if the gods could and would ever work in enough harmony to form a single verse of metaphorical music, let alone an entire symphony. :P
Going with the music metaphor, which instruments do y'all think your gods would play in an orchestra? Personally, I think the saxophone would fit Aurosseu, with its smooth and potentially dreamy timbre and weird qualities, such as being a woodwind instrument despite being made of brass.
The "Symphony" refers to the Gods themselves about as much as the "Litany" did in the first round :P.
For the record, the Titles of Litany/Sympony where mostly inspired by "geekyfandubs"'s translation of Cruel Angel's thesis. I felt the lines described this game perfectly :P. Specifically, the choruses.
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Ehh, I'm kinda fuzzy on what exactly Rilem was tbh. Maybe the militancy was a stereotype? I'll have to check. Pretty sure I made a codex somewhere...
I can't remember either :-\. One of the reasons I haven't done them yet.
Gai-Gen would probably play...Quote from: Gai-gen"Why should I play any instrument? Music is irrelevant and unnecessary."
I believe that at the modern times, interbreeding between the dwarven species has mostly ironed out the differences. If the Gai-un was published before the gods slept, however... not so much due to the anti-Mavnon commandment.
And whatever happened to Sankis? As a result of his immortality, he would be still alive. (though his memory might be fuzzy)
By now, I'd be surprised if there weren't a large number of Machine Priest run universities.
*Checks notes* The CRD and Dwarves are incapable of interbreeding, the differences are still there and still prominent (and are probably biologically hardwired), despite the attempts of "Civil Rights" activists. The Book probably didn't come out, due to the book fight being on tick 18. In any case, the book would have less effect than the several Immortals who where working to bring them together, especially as their piety waned. Sankis is a prominent Dwarf figure who is a vital part of the Dwarve's advancement and will be expanded upon during the Dwarve's history section. Machine-priests (For given value of Priests) do indeed have a significant presence in Dwarf lands, and are one of the contributing factors to the Dwarve's Very High technology.
Which reminds me: Mavnon's immortals, due to the complete loyalty thing, probably aren't aligned with Clan Rilem these days. I'd guess that they'd be considered vestiges of an archaic belief system or as respected elders who can be...politically incorrect at the times. Dunno. Up to you Stirk.
Most of the Immortals Mavnon created are of the "Reviving" type, making few if any "Respected Elders" (As young bodies would contradict this.) I am out of time for now, and will have to be more specific in history-building later.
Post by: Happy Demon on October 29, 2015, 11:16:25 am
Wait, isn't there a cursed dwarven king as well? I think one of them got inverted big time on the king power.
I'm kinda keeping it vague, so I don't give away too much PM info.
Oh, and don't forget the Elemental Wolves, Water Otters,
Especially with the whole rampage the Earth Jaguars did.
Edit: Also, the Blood Silk (modified sand cotton), kinda important, especially if I'm to make the Bony Creatures.
Post by: Stirk on October 29, 2015, 12:01:51 pm
Aw... no Elemental King (that was what I was planning with the cursing of the Void King).
Wait, isn't there a cursed dwarven king as well? I think one of them got inverted big time on the king power.
I'm kinda keeping it vague, so I don't give away too much PM info.
Oh, and don't forget the Elemental Wolves, Water Otters,MozillaFire Foxes, Earth Jaguars, and Air Eagles.
Especially with the whole rampage the Earth Jaguars did.
Edit: Also, the Blood Silk (modified sand cotton), kinda important, especially if I'm to make the Bony Creatures.
The "Void King" seems to have been immune to any and all curses.
I don't remember cursed Dwarf Kings :-\. I remember one of them had their Crown's inverted, but that was to give them greater empathy rather than sociopathy. That will have an effect on his kingdome, though the Dwarf race as a whole is rather unaffected.
I didn't forget about them, I had actually had a little bit written after Mavnon brought up the Immortals :P. Sample:
The Elementals (Being given as a generic name for all Elemental Animals from OOC perspective) where the hardest hit by far. To them, advancing technology only meant advancing pollution. Every passing day meant more pollution, and more pain, more hatred. Even the most environmentally aware put so much pollution into their respective environments that the Elementals where driven half-insane. Rampages became more and more frequent, as even the most kindhearted Elemental was driven to fury by the sight of any industrious Mortal. When a true industrial revolution hit, it was a breaking point. Temujin, having killed thousands over time, united all the Elementals in a massive army like nation, with the sole intent of eliminating the other Races (Or, failing that, destroying everything that hurts them.) The "Great Rampage" was not directed at any specific nation, sacking whatever towns they could over-run and destroying anyone who got in their way. The major nations and races, in an exceptionally rare moment of friendship, banned together against the Rampage. The combined might of the nations, coupled with their advanced technology and the fact their mere presence causes pain to their enemies, pushed back the Rampage after a series of massive battles. Temujin himself revived several times during this conflict alone, often making beelines of carnage toward the enemy leadership. Once, he even made it into the heart of the enemy. Unfortunately for him, the combined guards and strength of the Immortals was too much, and his enemies where prepared. After a hard-fought battle, a group of Soul Artists hand-picked by Fredrich and empowered by others managed to capture the weakened Tumajin's Soul, transferring it to a blood-red ruby they had prepared with special Enchantments. Unable to revive in this restraint, he was now (Ironically) Bound as surly as if the God that Cursed the wolves had done it himself. The gem was transferred to the most secure prison of the Great Tribe, where it resides to this day, the soul becoming even more angry and bitter than it was in life.
Unable to stop the pain, and now leaderless, the Elementals retreat far from the other races. Being animals, they where naturally accustomed to wide expanses of Wilderness that exist even today, surviving easily among the Wolf-life countless miles from other civilizations. They live as their ancestor's had, more like animals then a proper civilization. Still, the Elementals are Bound together in the bonds of a loose nation, if it can be called that. Every decade or so a new Rampage is called, typically with goals to either free Tumajin so they may finally wipe out the Painmakers or to destroy as many pollution-causing equipment as possible (especially that with far-reaching effects like air pollution.)
Still, there are friendlier groups that broke off. Small groups, even less like nation, that just want to be left alone. Typically it is these groups that provide the very limited technological advancements of the Elementals, coming up with pollution-reducing magic or equipment that they cleverly leave for other races to find (Often sending a less-effected Firefox for the job), in an attempt to allow the Races and Elementals to draw closer once again.
Their technology is Low, and their society is animistic. Population is High, but spread out and far from the other Races.
Post by: Happy Demon on October 29, 2015, 12:53:00 pm
Sure, they only experience pain when taking on the aspects of the elementals, but that's pain every time they use their powers.
Edit: Also, I said I kept it vague, the king's power comes from the crown, hence why I call it an inversion of king power.
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on October 29, 2015, 01:49:47 pm
Also my lone muse is probably considered a lunatic on the rings, preaching and brabbling non-stop.
The very few instrumentalism-instruments are considered valuable artifacts I assume, and the secret of enchanting might have been discovered by magical and/or technological research.
Post by: Dutrius on October 29, 2015, 02:10:42 pm
Sorry in advance, Stirk.
Post by: Happy Demon on October 29, 2015, 02:52:18 pm
Though I'm probably going to materialize as a skeleton wolf, since that's quite some time with no food. It's not even skin and bones, it's just bones.
It's mostly for the lulz though, and the mental image of transforming from wolf to human while skeleton is funny to me.
Also, how's the scope going to be initially?
Are we gonna start full god-vision, or start in a random spot, and then gather ourselves for a bit, then go into full god vision?
I'd kinda prefer the latter, as we are pretty much entering a world that's quite alien.
Maybe keep the orientation for a tick or two (or more).
Edit: Damn, soda and tiredness doesn't mix.
What I meant is like...
We wake up, and only worry about immediate surroundings at first.
Maybe some mortals attack us, so we can teach them a lesson, and then we'll have to try and get together a group of followers, starting at cult, then working up.
And we can't just do cosmic events from the get go, we have to collect ourselves/regain focus (you're not ready for a marathon just after waking up) first.
Oh, and just coming back wont be enough to gain all the followers, we'll have to first convince them we're the god they're looking for.
Which means we start with a cult, and ascending to religion would lend credibility to other cults.
No action is without consequence.
Post by: gman8181 on October 29, 2015, 04:07:29 pm
Well I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing what happens with that anyway.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 29, 2015, 04:29:12 pm
Post by: Happy Demon on October 29, 2015, 04:44:35 pm
Besides, a smaller scope could make it simpler to get the game going at first.
The nothing cult kinda had that problem. We're walking nuclear arsenals, and there seems to be an assumption we have surgical precision with it.
Sure, mortals don't stand a chance against gods, but we shouldn't be able to eradicate all X-worshippers in a single attack.
Actually, we shouldn't even be able to target specific targets.
It's kinda hard to hit the leaders if we're watching the entire battlefield.
Either focus on them, which makes you unable to detect what happens to your dudes, or you have to just fire in their general direction.
There is an exception though, and that is targets that don't even try to hide.
If someone travels with a decorated honor guard and has an enchanted crown on their head, then you can snipe them.
No, it doesn't have to be that extreme, but you should be able to kill high profile targets, not high priority targets.
A hidden general is hidden for a reason. It'd just be stupid if we can just kill all the hidden people because gods.
Actually, I'm not even sure what I'm talking about anymore.
Either I'm talking Litany, Ye Gods, or some other god-game or RP, I'm confused.
Post by: Dutrius on October 29, 2015, 05:15:16 pm
Post by: Stirk on October 29, 2015, 05:29:20 pm
I'm planning stuff too.
Though I'm probably going to materialize as a skeleton wolf, since that's quite some time with no food. It's not even skin and bones, it's just bones.
It's mostly for the lulz though, and the mental image of transforming from wolf to human while skeleton is funny to me.
Also, how's the scope going to be initially?
Are we gonna start full god-vision, or start in a random spot, and then gather ourselves for a bit, then go into full god vision?
I'd kinda prefer the latter, as we are pretty much entering a world that's quite alien.
Maybe keep the orientation for a tick or two (or more).
Edit: Damn, soda and tiredness doesn't mix.
What I meant is like...
We wake up, and only worry about immediate surroundings at first.
Maybe some mortals attack us, so we can teach them a lesson, and then we'll have to try and get together a group of followers, starting at cult, then working up.
And we can't just do cosmic events from the get go, we have to collect ourselves/regain focus (you're not ready for a marathon just after waking up) first.
Oh, and just coming back wont be enough to gain all the followers, we'll have to first convince them we're the god they're looking for.
Which means we start with a cult, and ascending to religion would lend credibility to other cults.
No action is without consequence.
Essentially, it will be like you restarted. Everyone will be restored to full power, new Gods will be created, and you will be able to continue on like nothing had happened (aside from rule-changes). There is no major gameplay change, it is typically easy to prove you exist and get new followers/followers back, and true Atheism only arises in small amounts. Generally, your presence was obviose for long enough that it would be hard to forget, especially when people still-living could remember a time you existed, rocks state everything that ever happened by the Gods, the Asteroids spell out a certain God's name, prayer effects certain magics, and an infallible library/stone can tell you that the Gods do, in fact, exist. Atheism is a very small minority, and is generally among races who's god encouraged that mindset.
Hmm I never really created a genuine "nation" actually. I mean unless the monsters I made formed one or some adventurers formed one. I feel like the cult route is more likely though.
Well I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing what happens with that anyway.
No nations follow the poor guy :-\. The Dungeon is still a popular sporting and business activity, along with Adventurers adventuring for the sake of Orbs and Advancement. There are a few camps, and a few "Towns", in the Dungeons, though nothing noticeable to a large modern nation.
It'd be kinda pointless to have atheism rise, if it's eradicated within the first few ticks.
Besides, a smaller scope could make it simpler to get the game going at first.
The nothing cult kinda had that problem. We're walking nuclear arsenals, and there seems to be an assumption we have surgical precision with it.
Sure, mortals don't stand a chance against gods, but we shouldn't be able to eradicate all X-worshippers in a single attack.
Actually, we shouldn't even be able to target specific targets.
It's kinda hard to hit the leaders if we're watching the entire battlefield.
Either focus on them, which makes you unable to detect what happens to your dudes, or you have to just fire in their general direction.
There is an exception though, and that is targets that don't even try to hide.
If someone travels with a decorated honor guard and has an enchanted crown on their head, then you can snipe them.
No, it doesn't have to be that extreme, but you should be able to kill high profile targets, not high priority targets.
A hidden general is hidden for a reason. It'd just be stupid if we can just kill all the hidden people because gods.
Actually, I'm not even sure what I'm talking about anymore.
Either I'm talking Litany, Ye Gods, or some other god-game or RP, I'm confused.
Having it "Small scope" would only make it more difficult for me, and generally semi-pointlessly change the type of game it is. It does sound like an interesting idea for a game, but it just isn't one I plan on running. I don't know what you are trying to say with the rest. You are Gods who are capable of seeing major events easily. Watching the entire battlefield is a simple task, and picking up who is the leader and smiting them is something a mortal with a rifle could do. I don't think anybody has even attempted the Genocide of anyone's worshipers yet.
By Armok, I've already written too much for this. I'm not going to give much away, but it's mostly biological in nature.
There are currently no plans to -actually- run the game at this point. Please do not get too excited for now.
Post by: Ama on October 29, 2015, 06:58:12 pm
Post by: micelus on October 30, 2015, 12:45:31 am
I should be working on other things but this has been stuck in my head for a while now. Also my headcanon dictates that all dwarves are part of a clan but only Rilem and Space have proven to be powerful enough to be independent.
Codex: Nefel Nanoi/Clan RilemSpoiler: Dwarven Relations (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Political Structure (click to show/hide)Spoiler: The Mavnonites (click to show/hide)
(More later.)
Found the Rilemi Codex :D
Also, info request if possible: what happened to the Adventurer's Guild and Orcs?
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*Checks notes* The CRD and Dwarves are incapable of interbreeding, the differences are still there and still prominent (and are probably biologically hardwired), despite the attempts of "Civil Rights" activists
D:
EDIT: And being reincarnated doesn't mean they can't be revered elders; just look at the Dalai Lama. Heck, if I recall correctly, my immortal Illyria has her own little country on the Rilemi border.
Post by: Happy Demon on October 30, 2015, 04:29:23 am
GM: A group of people cause complications.
Player: I kill them.
Even though it's like finding needles in a haystack.
But it was so long ago, I don't even remember in which RP it happened (I may even have forgot some details).
But I'm pretty sure there was a time a god entered a fight, and as the first action, dropped rocks on the important dudes (not high profile targets, it's more like targeting those with a certain mindset).
But I'm just whining. Disregard what I said.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on October 30, 2015, 08:13:24 am
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the Asteroids spell out a certain God's nameHaha, the asteroid stars. One of my better ideas. I think I had plans to rework them into a ortillery system with portal magic at some point.
Post by: Rolepgeek on October 30, 2015, 08:15:03 pm
Ah well.
If the garden has withered in the absence of it's gardener, he may always plant anew...
Post by: FArgHalfnr on November 01, 2015, 11:25:36 am
So anyways, if the game does continue I think I'll change how my character plays. I'll probably make him less idealistic, as in he won't expect other gods to be good anymore, and stop being so bossy around them. I'm not sure whenever or not I'll continue with the isolationist tendencies I started near the end though.
Post by: Rolepgeek on November 01, 2015, 11:27:53 am
Nor is technology the only factor to consider.
Post by: Stirk on November 01, 2015, 12:25:25 pm
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EDIT: And being reincarnated doesn't mean they can't be revered elders; just look at the Dalai Lama. Heck, if I recall correctly, my immortal Illyria has her own little country on the Rilemi border.
Of course, the Dalai Lama relies on religion to work. If the CRD's faith took a big hit, then they wouldn't believe they where elders at all.
I'm curious as to how the Saplings, Great Trees, and fledgling Great Reefs/Polyps will have fared....I did make them somewhat dependent on their god, after all..
Ah well.
If the garden has withered in the absence of it's gardener, he may always plant anew...
Stirk is too tired to right right now, but relying on the Great Trees/Whatever else greatly reduced their numbers (As they needed them to reproduce) and kept them held to a relatively small area.
I wonder how large the Aag nation's technological advantage will be. On one hand it would make sense from a game balance perspective to limit it somewhat, but on the other hand my character and the nation have been built from the start in a way that would give them a massive advantage in this situation. Otherwise I'm mostly curious on how the relationship with the great tribe will be, on one hand it was more of a conflict between patronius and Lithus than a conflict between nations (although it went extremely close to become an open war at the end, and I don't remember if my peacemaking efforts were made on the last tick, which would retcon it), but on the other hand Frederick is still there and very loyal to his god's ideals. I wouldn't expect too much trouble with the CRD honestly, mostly because both nations didn't seem to have much contact outside of the failed cultural exchange, again most of the conflicts there were between gods and not nations.
So anyways, if the game does continue I think I'll change how my character plays. I'll probably make him less idealistic, as in he won't expect other gods to be good anymore, and stop being so bossy around them. I'm not sure whenever or not I'll continue with the isolationist tendencies I started near the end though.
Not very big, in the end. Despite their God's attempts at making the progress-focused commie society, several social problems stopped it from reaching its full potential. Most of which started while Lithus/Luthus was still awake, for example the Crime in Aag nations is High. The Crime Lord turned out to be a immortal Auoror, one of the first Blessed Ones or whatever they where. This widened the Gap between Aurors and the Aag, bringing a sizable criminal base for centuries to come. Allegedly, the Great Tribe sponsors these criminals, with everything from funds to weapons, due to the major crime syndicates all being ran by Aurors in secret. Additionally, Mavnon worship is still outlawed, leading to Mavnon worshipers living in the nation by chance to be criminals by default, often slipping into greater crimes over time.
The most important reason they don't have a big advantage is the competition, who aren't at a big enough disadvantage to fall behind. All the major nations had factors that kept their technology on par with, above, or near the Aag, despite the Aag's general intelligence and focus on progress. Fredrich always had the Aurors helping his nation, who have a decent amount with focuses in Intelligence, Science, and Engineering. The Great Tribe's upward expansion had put them into contact with the Wriths, the mostly-forgotten Intelligent race who had centuries of their own technology created by that point and was eager to share/ally with the First Race who made contact with them in return for some planet-bound information to sate their curiosity, and continue to assist the Great Tribe to this day. The CRD continue to be allied with the Dwarves and the Great Tribe under the High Church. They have two skill-boosted immortals with artifacts granting them inventing abilities, unfettered access to the ritual stone, and a very good head start due to the Dwaf nations having a Higher technological base then the Aag at the end game (Due to several secret actions). Naturally, with three/four races making advancements, a good amount of technology finds its way into other Race's hands, limiting the Aag's advantage over them as well.
As for relationship between the Aag, Great Tribe, and CRD, it is varied much like it was in the game. They had several major wars between each other over the years, several decades of uneasy freedom, and several of guarded trade and peaceful contact. The ban on Mavnon worship still stands, putting great tension with the groups. You made it a conflict between nations by putting laws against the other God's down. In the end, Lithus/Luthus was pretty much the real leader of the nation, loosing him hurt the nation badly.
Post by: crazyabe on November 01, 2015, 12:38:28 pm
Post by: Stirk on November 01, 2015, 12:50:05 pm
The big question is, What would be the effect of me showing up while the rest of the gods are absent? or are you going to have me show up after everything has happened?
The effect would be you being born frozen in time and unable to do anything like the rest of everyone. It would be exactly the same, and you would show up after everything has happened anyway.
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If you just want it to be decoration is fine. It could take centuries for a god to form, after all. I just can't let you do anything during that time, since it would be giving you free reign of the world.
Post by: micelus on November 01, 2015, 05:29:08 pm
Post by: Stirk on November 01, 2015, 05:43:39 pm
@Stirk True but surely they must have noticed the fact that the person claiming to be a servant of a god keeps appearing behind a throne after he/she dies or when a 12 year old child suddenly becomes a natural engineer with oddly accurate recounts of the past. But this is mostly theoretical and I'm completely fine with them not being respected elders.
Yeah, those kind of things really make it hard to be an atheist in this world in the first place :P. They are probably respected leaders among a good part of the population. Especially since (...as I just recently remembered) Mavnon was in a Pantheon with the rest of the High Church. Fredrich would spend a lot of effort trying to keep CRD's religion with them, and they would be respected in Great Tribe lands even if they don't believe in the Gods. I-letters still leads her nation, performing experiments as ordered long ago.
Post by: Rolepgeek on November 01, 2015, 09:30:41 pm
More or less what I figured, though I didn't expect the Great Trees to have ended up putting as much of a damper on their numbers as it seems to have(either within the game before the Sleep, or during), with how large they were and the fact that they continued to grow, and food not being much of an issue for them to have plenty of (reproduction capacity, for any life, is rarely the limiting factor in population for long(though I suppose this could be an exception circumstance)). Disease would still do it, I guess, though I'm less certain how mobile plants would fare with disease and the like. Particularly when some of them are massive and rather potent magically.I'm curious as to how the Saplings, Great Trees, and fledgling Great Reefs/Polyps will have fared....I did make them somewhat dependent on their god, after all..
Ah well.
If the garden has withered in the absence of it's gardener, he may always plant anew...
Stirk is too tired to right right now, but relying on the Great Trees/Whatever else greatly reduced their numbers (As they needed them to reproduce) and kept them held to a relatively small area.
I'm guessing those limitations would be a driving factor in whatever they did.
Though I must say I would/do find it funny that the 'cities' for the Saplings would be where the population poured from, rather than drained into, in the industrial age.
Post by: Stirk on November 01, 2015, 10:01:02 pm
More or less what I figured, though I didn't expect the Great Trees to have ended up putting as much of a damper on their numbers as it seems to have(either within the game before the Sleep, or during), with how large they were and the fact that they continued to grow, and food not being much of an issue for them to have plenty of (reproduction capacity, for any life, is rarely the limiting factor in population for long(though I suppose this could be an exception circumstance)). Disease would still do it, I guess, though I'm less certain how mobile plants would fare with disease and the like. Particularly when some of them are massive and rather potent magically.I'm curious as to how the Saplings, Great Trees, and fledgling Great Reefs/Polyps will have fared....I did make them somewhat dependent on their god, after all..
Ah well.
If the garden has withered in the absence of it's gardener, he may always plant anew...
Stirk is too tired to right right now, but relying on the Great Trees/Whatever else greatly reduced their numbers (As they needed them to reproduce) and kept them held to a relatively small area.
I'm guessing those limitations would be a driving factor in whatever they did.
Though I must say I would/do find it funny that the 'cities' for the Saplings would be where the population poured from, rather than drained into, in the industrial age.
We are assuming Modern conditions, so food and what not isn't much of a dampening factor for most of history. Continual growth doesn't mean fast growth, and you functionally have only a handful of individuals capable of breeding. Basically, the number of womb-flowers is very limited, compared to the millions of people who fill a modern nation. For example, in 2010 America had 4million newborns. I can't remember for certain how many trees there where, but that would mean each tree must produce 400,000 each year if there where ten of them. I have been assuming Saplings have the standard 9-month gestation period most Mortal races have, meaning that each flower can only really produce one Sapling a year. Additionally, the Saplings never needed to have a large amount of children for any industrial/agricultural work, and must support any children they have by themselves, most have few (if any) children. And they have to live near the trees, or go on a pilgrimage to one, in order to do that. And if we want to get super-technical, the trees are supposed to take centuries to mature, so many of them would have difficulties bearing children.
Now that we got over the general difficulties of Sapling breading, there is the fact that every other race can grow their population more easily. The Great Trees have a limited number of wombs that grows very slowly, while the number capable of producing children in a standard race essentially grows exponentially. A thousand Saplings can create another thousand saplings just as easy as a standard race can create another thousand of themselves, but a million Saplings can't make another million saplings as easy as a million standard races can. Then once the numbers of the other races get into the billions, they are completely outmatched in every way. Remember, I am basing this off of the modern world of 7 billion Humans. And this world doesn't have any problems getting food early on, has many time's our Earth's amount of land, and is generally wealthy. Its not that there is half-a-dozen Saplings being born each year, its that the numbers of everyone else eclipse what a small-and-constant amount of breeding females can do.
Currently, there are no magics that are capable of fighting off disease. Most are fairly limited in scope at the moment.
Post by: Rolepgeek on November 01, 2015, 11:18:15 pm
I see the problems with it, I suppose I'd just hoped that the sheer size of the trees, their growth(though slow), and their longer lifespan would help alleviate that.
I do suppose that 'help alleviate' and 'fix entirely' are not the same thing by any means, though. I did sorta suspect that they might find a way to produce more Great Trees, though, probably magically, or at least try to, though that would basically be replicating the power of a god infused into them, and the Great Trees themselves would probably dislike the idea on various grounds.
I foresee Teburshe trying to fix this problem of minimal population with a very simple and hopefully effective means.
So very many Great Trees.
Polyps I don't know if I ever really mentioned their death cycles, though it's a bit late now. Polyp orpses were supposed to help add to the size of the Reef, by making a pilgrimage of sorts in their later years, settling into it, and 'dying' like the Saplings did, sorta. Their numbers will probably still be pretty damn small, though, with only two Reefs (though did imagine the reefs being utterly massive, even sorta compared to the Great Trees, but that was partially the life cycle thing). I'll be interested to see their technological development, being aquatic and all.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 02, 2015, 04:19:55 pm
Spoiler: Feel free to read: (click to show/hide)
If he wakes up.
It may be worth noting that Sankis is older than many of the gods.
Post by: ~Neri on November 03, 2015, 02:27:40 pm
Post by: Stirk on November 03, 2015, 04:52:45 pm
Lets call Nilva's demigod "Kirani."
Note taken.
Post by: Happy Demon on November 03, 2015, 04:58:37 pm
Lets call Nilva's demigod "Kirani."I get the feeling that name means something.
Post by: Andres on November 06, 2015, 04:41:43 pm
The new Human nation was founded near-explicitly as a way for there to be a Human nation devout to Iliseth and not controlled by Mavnon-Patronius. If anything, they would've allied with the Saplings (who allowed them to settle in some of their uninhabited land) and the Aag considering the divine relations between their gods.
As for Art, I can definitely see Iliseth's kingdom (and its Sapling/Aag allies) becoming advanced in its use but not so for the Great Tribe. Frederick was distrustful of Art and kicked out the angel who was teaching it when it started telling people about Iliseth's new nation.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 02, 2015, 05:58:56 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 02, 2015, 06:15:37 pm
I'm back, did anyone make a grand entrance yet, if not, I think I'm gonna switch to a more.... relatable form.The game is still dead is it not?
Post by: Stirk on December 02, 2015, 06:21:31 pm
I'm back, did anyone make a grand entrance yet, if not, I think I'm gonna switch to a more.... relatable form.The game is still dead is it not?
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 02, 2015, 06:22:03 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 02, 2015, 06:31:33 pm
Post by: ~Neri on December 02, 2015, 06:44:27 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 02, 2015, 07:27:25 pm
I refuse to let this die!
Alright then. CONGRADULATIONS HLG! Your the DM now! Here are my notes
Make things up as you go along. Pretend to roll dice. Ignore PMs. Lie about the rules, because having rules are for chumps.
Well that is all of them. Good luck~.
.....More seriously though, I am in the same boat as KJP right now. Same year, same major even :-\. This game takes an absurd amount of time and effort to run, even with me half-butting it and skipping the calculations (or KJP's fancy coding and computer stuff). This is inherent in the idea, even any simplified mechanics (Such as KJP's list which removes price checking for the most part) don't reduce the work to a manageable level. Just trying to get all the actions processed in a sensible way can take hours. The only real solution I came up with was to have multiple DMs, but I have no clue how that would manage to work with a game like this, and would require one of the more active players not play.
If anyone wants to continue the game on their own, or make a reboot, or a similar game I can send them my real notes, make suggestions, and generally help out if necessary. In any case, there is nothing I can do about it a week from finals :-\.
Post by: ~Neri on December 02, 2015, 07:37:14 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 02, 2015, 07:50:15 pm
You could always just postpone until you have freedom to update. Slow updates are better then no updates.
I tried a smaller version of that when the game was still live. The major problem is that the game takes a while to slow down. If it took a week for people to stop posting on the game, then I would have to do a weeks worth of processing at once. It doesn't really save a lot of time, it just puts the massive time cost in a different place. It also takes away from the momentum-its hard to do a massive amount of work once a month and not touch it the rest of the time.
Post by: ~Neri on December 02, 2015, 07:52:02 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 02, 2015, 08:00:37 pm
Post by: ~Neri on December 02, 2015, 08:02:02 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 02, 2015, 08:04:14 pm
Or just get a co-GM to handle half of it.
In any case, good luck with whatever you're going to do about this game.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 03, 2015, 02:40:16 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 09, 2015, 03:13:31 pm
Post by: tntey on December 09, 2015, 03:14:31 pm
*sigh* Alright, since KJP vanished into Ether as he has a habit of doing, and I had not planned to leave my room for a month anyway, I'll consider reviving the game somette next week.
Since I don't play Litany, but am interested in playing, what do I need to know?
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 09, 2015, 03:17:07 pm
If I remember correctly that we were planning a timeskip, this might be fitting for Aurosseu as well.
Post by: ~Neri on December 09, 2015, 03:18:14 pm
You technically don't need to know anything beyond the stuff in the OP since that explains the mechanics that players know.
I entirely remember all of Nilva's plans and assets. Timeskip technically accelerated them due to how it's replenishing Essence fully.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 09, 2015, 03:20:54 pm
Post by: tntey on December 09, 2015, 03:23:10 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on December 09, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
So. People who played Ye Gods, who is the Zenurion like god?I think Verruckt is the closest to him sphere-wise, but Utther has a similar personality.
Post by: tntey on December 09, 2015, 03:31:54 pm
Post by: ~Neri on December 09, 2015, 03:34:51 pm
Post by: tntey on December 09, 2015, 03:36:37 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 09, 2015, 03:38:00 pm
YgII like Traits system
Possibly faster E/P gain
Other income based changes
Godly combat changes
I will elaborate and allow for voting/discussions later.
Post by: tntey on December 09, 2015, 03:42:35 pm
Name: Isgon
Sphere: Knowledge and Spies
Description: A God who looks like a humonoid bird. He wants to know everything, and is the patron god of spies.
Does this look good?
Post by: Stirk on December 09, 2015, 06:08:56 pm
Traits: The traits system was definitely a marked improvement over my old system, but it has its faults. Namely, it seems to promote redundancy and min-maxing while somewhat discouraging creating new and creative things, in addition to giving away *Secret Traits*. As such, I plan on attempting to implement a similar system to the Traits, but with large Categories, letting things get a little more vague and hopefully fixing some of the problems.
Example:
Physical Trait X1 [*1] Any trait that changes the natural physical abilities of the creature, such as Strength, Speed, Damage Resistance, or even things like hearing and eyesight.
PT X2 [*Y]
PT X3 [*@Y]
PTX-1 [*.Y]
With 1X being the Standard Race ability, 2X being significantly better and so on and so forth. If you know KJPs system, you should be able to get the general idea.
Under this template, if you had wanted to create a Champion fighter, you might give it:
Champion: PT Strength X5[*Y]*PT Damage Resistance X5 [*Y]*PT Endurance X5 [Y]
All would fall under the "Physical Trait" catagory, thus have the PT before the trait list. This lets you know the general price of something without someone else one-upping you with the same traits only increased. It should allow for both the necessary "Variety" and "Organization", if implemented correctly. Of course if we do the "Modern Setting" game, I would have to find a way to transfer all the existing races and characters to this system :/.
What do you think of it? It isn't finished yet, and won't be if the players aren't interested.
E/P gain: Generally, I have had the gains for E/P cap and E/P in general set pretty low (especially compared to KJP). This is a simple one, should I let you guys have more E/P and increase the rate at which caps increase?
Those are the two really big ones for now. Others will have to come later, since these would require the biggest changes.
Alright, here is my submission
Name: Isgon
Sphere: Knowledge and Spies
Description: A God who looks like a humonoid bird. He wants to know everything, and is the patron god of spies.
Does this look good?
Its fine.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 09, 2015, 06:57:57 pm
*sigh* Alright, since KJP vanished into Ether as he has a habit of doing, and I had not planned to leave my room for a month anyway, I'll consider reviving the game somette next week.wait what you- Thank you. Thank you so very much.
I would say the E/P is fine as it was, though.
Also, we're going to have to define the traits for the currently existing creatures, and creating new species might get more difficult...
Be careful that you don't repulse your players with math.
But I'm hyped now.
Post by: Jbg97 on December 10, 2015, 03:56:41 am
Also, if I'm reading this right, the Great Tribe is like a monarchical "Roaring 20s" America with zeppelins and is the dominant superpower, Nomads are seen as a mixture between Gypsies and Plague Rats depending on what nation they're in and have biotechnology, the New Kingdom is (at least as seen from the outside) like the Ottoman empire on steroids with Viking style raids in a Warring States period and Nazi super-technology, and the Ants... I don't really have a good analogy for them.
Post by: micelus on December 10, 2015, 04:38:10 am
Name: Mavnon, Lady of Luck, Overseer of Conflict
Spheres: Pacts and Conflict
Symbol: A neon light in the form of a roulette with two 'jackpot' pockets. One has the image of a white sword and the other of a fountain.
Appearance: A brunette flapper adorned in a fur coat and headscarf or a stereotypical mafia don adorned in gold and silver. Regardless of form, a heavily rusted butterfly knife and notepad are sticking out of Mavnon's hips.
Background: When the gods entered hibernation, more than just the goddess entered slumber. The fountain from which many adventurers performed their oath had indeed been home to Lady Luck, a fraction of Mavnon's being given sapience. The hibernation resulted in a forced reuniting with the goddess, which has resulted in several changes in the god's demeanour. Some would say that the new Mavnon is not Mavnon at all, but the Lady and that she had murdered her mother. Of course, such are the words of heretics and are surely false.
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 10, 2015, 06:44:40 am
Spoiler: Aurosseu (click to show/hide)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 10, 2015, 09:24:18 am
Spoiler: Gai-gen (click to show/hide)
Post by: Stirk on December 10, 2015, 11:40:43 am
It's weird, i keep coming to his forum regularly for a few months, then forgetting about it completely for the next half a year. Now I seem to have come back at exactly the right time.
Also, if I'm reading this right, the Great Tribe is like a monarchical "Roaring 20s" America with zeppelins and is the dominant superpower, Nomads are seen as a mixture between Gypsies and Plague Rats depending on what nation they're in and have biotechnology, the New Kingdom is (at least as seen from the outside) like the Ottoman empire on steroids with Viking style raids in a Warring States period and Nazi super-technology, and the Ants... I don't really have a good analogy for them.
No historical nations were harmed in the making of this forum game.
Changes: accepted. It is worrying how many Gods have lost their sanity :p.
Post by: Dutrius on December 10, 2015, 12:00:55 pm
Spoiler: Moi'aaty (click to show/hide)
Additions in italics.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 10, 2015, 01:00:58 pm
Post by: ~Neri on December 10, 2015, 01:58:27 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 10, 2015, 02:59:26 pm
And floating equations that are relevant.
Post by: Jbg97 on December 10, 2015, 03:01:33 pm
Crotchety old men are perfect for any time period!
Post by: ~Neri on December 10, 2015, 03:20:44 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 10, 2015, 03:24:41 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on December 11, 2015, 12:42:14 am
Still out for the end of existence~? Or has the goal changed?The goal changed toward the end, but I forgot what it was changed to be. I guess I'll have to think of a new one when the new tick goes up.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 12:52:13 am
Post by: Ama on December 11, 2015, 01:32:12 pm
Spoiler: Lauxal (click to show/hide)
Post by: gman8181 on December 11, 2015, 02:41:52 pm
Verruckt will remain more or less the same. And not just because I'm too lazy to make any dramatic changes. :P
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 11, 2015, 02:55:07 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 06:40:40 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 06:44:17 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 06:59:03 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 07:00:01 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 07:07:50 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 11, 2015, 07:18:17 pm
A pulse of power is emitted, and the gods lose consciousness once again.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 07:50:22 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 07:58:01 pm
The Broom whacks Vashna in the face AND sweeps them back over the wall.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 08:14:34 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 08:15:45 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 11, 2015, 08:16:31 pm
Post by: Rolepgeek on December 11, 2015, 08:26:29 pm
Post by: Ama on December 11, 2015, 09:14:47 pm
Actually, that would be me with ultimate power. In fact, when I drugged this so-called escapee, I gave him a dream where he actually escaped over the mythical fourth wall. That way, he would never attempt to actually escape. Vashna is just snoozing away, having this odd dream right now.Lauxal takes it upon her self to save Vashna from this dream by turning it into a nightmare.
The walls turn to blood, a hook shows up on the door of the thread, and random people show up to ask ....who is mister skele?
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 09:28:53 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 11, 2015, 09:38:47 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 09:41:36 pm
Post by: Ama on December 11, 2015, 09:52:42 pm
"Mister skele is you Vashna, and me, and you, and Stirk, and the other person. Look a lot of people seem to have this skeleton problem. Just take this medicine and your skeleton will go away."
The doctor tosses the medicine at Vashna before doot dooting into the roof.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 09:54:41 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 09:58:17 pm
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 10:00:15 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 10:00:49 pm
Post by: Ama on December 11, 2015, 10:01:52 pm
"Are you questioning the dream logic?!"
The doctors begins to change into something as the room fills with water.
Spoiler: Spook Warning (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 11, 2015, 10:02:51 pm
The 'doctor' is summarily poofed.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 11, 2015, 10:03:49 pm
The doctor doots back inside."And this is why we never invite him to Christmas parties"
"Are you questioning the dream logic?!"
The doctors begins to change into something as the room fills with water.Spoiler: Spook Warning (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jbg97 on December 12, 2015, 01:31:47 am
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 12, 2015, 01:36:33 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 12, 2015, 01:48:21 am
God i hope the tick goes up before this goes any fartherQFT.
Post by: Stirk on December 12, 2015, 07:18:38 pm
The week hasn't even started yet :/.
Post by: Hiddenleafguy on December 12, 2015, 08:29:44 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 12, 2015, 10:22:54 pm
Post by: Detoxicated on December 13, 2015, 01:48:13 pm
Post by: Andres on December 13, 2015, 07:28:28 pm
EDIT: In all seriousness, I hope this works out. This and YG are the only god games I've found worth the effort of playing them out of three different forums.
Post by: Detoxicated on December 14, 2015, 07:03:39 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on December 16, 2015, 10:12:52 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 17, 2015, 07:50:50 pm
Post by: Dutrius on December 17, 2015, 07:53:16 pm
Post by: Stirk on December 17, 2015, 07:54:48 pm
Post by: Andres on December 17, 2015, 08:44:01 pm
Oh yeah. If anyone wants to inform anyone who has not posted to show continued interest that this game is starting back up, they can go ahead. That sentence made all the sense.I can unsarcastically say that that sentence did indeed make sense.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 17, 2015, 08:45:13 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 17, 2015, 11:03:16 pm
Post by: Jbg97 on December 18, 2015, 01:19:06 am
SaturdayShiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
i cant wait that long
Post by: Stirk on December 18, 2015, 03:48:36 pm
SaturdayShiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
i cant wait that long
I need at least a day just to get things ready :/.
Post by: Rolepgeek on December 18, 2015, 09:31:41 pm
Also, it was only a while after I'd started Teburshe's speech pattern that I realized I'd sorta made Treebeard.
Post by: Stirk on December 19, 2015, 04:00:31 pm