Ptw and to possibly join should this start after the 15th.Sil being in?
Ptw and to possibly join should this start after the 15th.Sil being in?
I'm going in :3
Strange trope link to be PM'd later!
I haven't played mafia before except maybe once or twice in the past and I was wonderig if I could join this one.I have no problems with that. Just send in your role+trope submission.
Hey, so I wanted to ask if this game could be considered newbie friendly?That, on the other hand, depends on your tolerance for weirdness. It's not quite so simple as a BM, but the essence of the game remains unchanged. It's not like a bastard mod game where the essence itself changes, you're still town trying to find scum or scum trying to hide from and murderize town(with maybe a third party or two thrown in for fun). I'd say go for it, though. You'll still learn the basics, but it'll be more fun this way.
Excellent! That makes eight players.
... I still need both of your role and trope submissions.
BTW I sent my PM when I posted In.d'oh. Forgot about that, sorry.
FallacyOfUrist, is there a set day for the game to start, or are we waiting for everyone to confirm first?I plan on starting sometime after Monday. I'm doing a bit of travel this week. I'm leaving tomorrow and will get back Monday. After that, I'll need a bit more time to bake roles and tropes. My current projection is Wednesday. At that point, I'll poke those who haven't confirmed, and at the end of the game day, those who still haven't confirmed will be replaced.
Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, Tawa, and Imic are the only ones left to confirm.I didn't know I needed to confirm :-[ oops!
FallacyOfUrist, is there a set day for the game to start, or are we waiting for everyone to confirm first?
Right, this is a BYOR, all sorts of bullshit happens in BYORs.
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
randomgenericusername - What type of mafia games have you played in the past?I used to play in sites like Epicmafia, ToS and others, and played forum mafia a long time ago. I know the basics and I have read some of the old mafia games here, but I don't know how does the random question thing works.
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?
Silthuri - How's life going? What do you think are the worst types of RVS questions to ask?Life's going swell. I'll be a college graduate once I get my diploma in the mail so I'm pretty excite. As for worst questions, I think it has to be questions that have absolutely nothing to do with anything and can't be of use ever. Like the time someone asked "tea or coffee" or what color underwear someone was wearing. They're fun, but useless for the game.
Rocks Fall Everyone Dies sounds like a recipe for total party kill, so I think it would be best if we picked a trope rather than letting it go random. As such, let's Jump the Shark already.WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?
Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.That's some assumption :vGigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
Tiruin - What do you think is notquitethere's greatest strength as a town player and his greatest weakness as a scum player?Why are you asking about me and NQT, rather than anyone else here?
QuestionsHewwo! OwO
Tiru: Henlo. Are you a scummy scum?
Ooh I am excite! Pfp because am going to sleep soon. Heads up: I hate RVS. Always have and probably always will. I'm also tired af so forgive any typos.Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Silthuri - How's life going? What do you think are the worst types of RVS questions to ask?The 'everyone' query above applies to you as my question for lack of a query poking you. :P
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?Personally, I see no point in claiming now. Shenanigans might require claiming somewhere down the road but just in case, imma wait.
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?Day 1 I'm going to be pretty relaxed. Just the usual random questioning and taking notes on answers for later use. I'm not big on rvs which takes up most if not all of day 1.
Sowwy moss frien. :3QuestionsHewwo! OwO
Tiru: Henlo. Are you a scummy scum?
I am MOSS! :I How dare anyone infer I be scum! I am not an impurity!
I will create a special rule based off of each submitted trope. Each day, players will see a list of what tropes have not yet been used(but not their effects) and may vote to activate one of them.FoU: Only ONE trope may be voted on? What happens if a tie occurs?
The effect of the activated trope will start at the end of the day where the rule is voted on and will end at the end of the next day by default, if a trope has an effect that lasts longer, it will be noted. When a trope is activated, its effect or part of its effect may or may not be automatically revealed. If no trope is activated by vote in a day, a random unactivated trope will be activated.
The trope rules may be subverted/modified/disabled/whatever by role powers.
Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.Does being affable make evil less powerful or just friendlier? If you were Fallacy, how would you have implemented it?
Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.Hmm, I guess it's not inconceivable that there are players with powers that do something with the link between tropes and players. I won't press this point.
notquitethere - What do you think is Tiruin's greatest weakness as a town player and her greatest strength as a scum player?Her greatest weakness as a town player is that she sometimes doesn't communicate with clarity, so other town players don't always properly read the (often valid) points she's trying to make. Her greatest strength as a scum player is that her playstyle doesn't differ drastically from when she's town, and she manages to cultivate an air of innocence about her such that others don't really want to lynch her.
But Katanas Are Just Better! And you don't Jump the Shark on the first episode. That is not how it works, you use it as a last resort once you run out of ideas. Using it on the first day is probably a very bad idea.That's a pretty compelling argument.
Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?I don't personally mind, but Giga might be right about there being powers that require that knowledge. Some paranoia is healthy.
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We have very little information, but not none! I'll be paying attention to players who vote with conviction (without outing them) as they're the people most likely to have gained information in the night.
NQT seems to boop the Shark Trope...um, y'all shouldn't use red, else it'll be parsed as votes. :vFallacy, what's the best way to vote for tropes?
WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<I'm suspicious of you know if that helps! I only had so much time, I'll get around to talking to everyone-- don't worry!
Why are your first questions otherwise all about tropes?
Tawa - How much weight do you give a Finger of Suspicion, early game, mid game, and late game? Also, what do you think about people who ask questions that they already know the answer to?About the same throughout, but somewhat less day 1, and much less super early-game. Once people have actually started conversations the meaning of a FoS skyrockets.
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?I'm a fan of Boring but Practical, personally.
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?Incidentally, I submitted Boring but Practical. Can't hurt to claim them, right?
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?I prefer to sit and watch until people are actually talking, at which point I jump in.
Chat :3 In making a partially leading idea, it brings up communication and ideas on how people act to a hypothesized scenario.Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?I prefer to sit and watch until people are actually talking, at which point I jump in.
Why do you, Tiruin, care so much about how other people look for scum?
Randomgenericfrien: do you feel others might have a bit of an advantage in scum hunting because moat of us have played with each other before and know each other's playstyles?Of course. I also don't like the idea of using meta so I'll probably be always on disadvantage.
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?I think it's fine, since I don't think it's really alignment indicative and tropes were submitted before roles were baked. Even harmful ones like Rock Falls Everyone Dies are bad for scum. I could claim mine right now if someone wants to.
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We had a free day, so all investigators could do their night actions while scum was unable to kill. Right now, we have the upper hand in the game and scum probably knows that. If we use the information of the investigators correctly, we could lynch scum this day.
Interesting point.QuoteEveryone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We had a free day, so all investigators could do their night actions while scum was unable to kill. Right now, we have the upper hand in the game and scum probably knows that. If we use the information of the investigators correctly, we could lynch scum this day.
FoU: [1] Only ONE trope may be voted on? [2] What happens if a tie occurs?
[3] Is the trope tied to the person who submitted it?
Fallacy, what's the best way to vote for tropes?Hm. Yeah, if I use the LurkerTracker, using red could make things tricky. How about you vote in purple for tropes.
BlackHeartKabal - Choose any question that I asked someone else in this post and give your answer to it. Why did you choose that question?Yes, information is good, and it's not like we can rely on investigators 100%, so it's better to get confirmed information D1 by lynching someone. Chose this because it's something I know how to answer.
kingawsume - Do you think it's always a good idea to lynch a player on Day 1? Why?
Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!
GigaGiant: why would you want a trope that has evil in the name? What doom do you want to bring down upon us?Yes, it has evil in the name, but it's affably evil. It just rolls off the tongue so well. Why don't you want a trope that has affably in the name? Do you hate politeness?
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people? My own thoughts here are that some people (not me) got info in their night action, and some didn't. Pre-explaining my intent here, it's for information as I'm betting out of 11 people, at least 2 are scum [this is moreso just my assumptions being pushed out because I lack time in posting :v]1. I'll try to encourage conversation and generate as much information as possible that could help us catch scum.
GG (You okay with this abbreviation?)You can just call me Giga. Makes it easier for me to search for questions directed at me via ctrl+F.
1. Yeah, I suppose it is. I was just reflecting on previous games. In FBYOR2, webadict had role powers relating to the themes of people's roles. I thought there could be someone similar in this game, except involving trope submissions instead of roles. If someone like that did exist, then until I was sure that person was town, I would be wary of helping them. Though, after hearing FOU's response regarding that (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659784#msg7659784), I suppose it's not an issue after all. But, I'm probably still gonna wait until Day 2 to identify which trope I submitted, just to be safe.Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.That's some assumption :vGigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
But you mentioned a something up there anyway.
That was part of my attempt to gain a better understanding of everyone's experience level and play style. According to the user statistics, you both have thousands of posts on the Mafia subforum, so I thought there was a pretty decent chance that both of you were familiar with each other's play style. I didn't ask anyone else a similar question because they had less posts, so I just took a quick look through their posts to access their experience and play style. Looking through you and NQT's posts was an intimidating prospect, and Bay12's glitchy search function didn't help.QuoteTiruin - What do you think is notquitethere's greatest strength as a town player and his greatest weakness as a scum player?Why are you asking about me and NQT, rather than anyone else here?
Why ask us to cross-examine each other, and not other people present?
To what end will you use this polarized information?In addition to what I learned about both of you from each other's answers, I also learned a few things regarding what each of you consider to be good and bad behavior for townies and scum. I'm hoping this information will help me get more accurate reads on both of you.
Also what is your experience with forum mafia? :) [Welcooome to Bay12! (~'u')~]I played forum mafia a few times on a Starcraft board, about a decade ago. The format was pretty similar to the BM games on this subforum, except the Mod would also provide flavor at the beginning of each new day that contained clues hinting toward the identities of the scum. I wasn't very good at the game back then. I usually spent all my time analyzing the flavor for clues, while the other players scum hunted properly. It didn't help that my flavor analysis was wrong 80% of the time. :-\ After a few games of me consistently being useless (and realizing that most of the other players regarded me as such), I pretty much lost interest in forum mafia altogether. I'm hoping that I can do better this time.
Gigagiant I intend to be somewhat more cautious this time around. To that extent, why do you seem suspicioud to me? Don't take it as some random comment, it's a genuine question.There's no way for me to know exactly why I seem suspicious to you. Or did you mean to ask me "why do you seem suspicious of me?" If that was your intended question, then the answer is that I'm just as suspicious of you as everyone else.
GigaGiantThe trope sounds like it just makes evil friendlier. If I were Fallacy, I would make the trope negatively affect the mafia's killing abilities during the night. For example, it could change the mafia kill into a mafia "knock out" that leaves a player alive, but disables them from participating during the following day. Then, the following night, the player would "wake up" and be part of the game again.Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.Does being affable make evil less powerful or just friendlier? If you were Fallacy, how would you have implemented it?
What do you think Tiruin's greatest strength as town and weakness as scum is?As town, her nonthreatening nature makes her good at avoiding the scum kill, so she can really help town out when she has access to a good power role if she reveals herself at the right time. As scum, she needs to scum hunt more often, since she seems slightly more passive as scum. That said, I'm only familiar with her play style from reading the last two FBYOR games, so I'm not particularly confident in these evaluations.
My questions were about tropes because they're interesting and mechanically relevant in a way that effects us all. Asking about tropes doesn't endanger anyone's hidden abilities either.Are you pretty confident that all of the trope effects will apply to every player? Do you think it's possible that some of them only affect specific teams (like town-only or scum-only)?
Hilarity Ensues.Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!
Let's talk general third party, survivors and the people that get skittish when people threaten them.Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
That's just one example, but it seems the most implied based on your question.
I am perplexed (because yaaay stuffs is happening). o_oAre you saying you took no action last night, or that you tried to, but got role blocked so nothing happened? If the former, was there a particular reason you didn't do anything last night?
And/or Fallacy did stuff I don't understand. My day PM (I did NUTHIN yesterday...err night), told me I was roleblocked, as in the 'when day happens you get a PM probably'. :P
Newbie question: Is it bad if I only post when I'm directly adressed? I don't really know what to say since it's just day 1 and there isn't a whole lot of information to work with right now. Also maybe I'm just too passive.I know the feeling. :-\ I think it's better to take the initiative and ask other people questions about things.
Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Gigagiant I'm asking you specifically, why should I be suspicious of you. It's a question.You should be suspicious of everyone, including myself. As for why me specifically, that's your responsibility to determine.
Hilarity ensues
Maximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
kingawsume - Do you think it's always a good idea to lynch a player on Day 1? Why?I think it's not always the best idea, but it is necessary. How else are we going to get info, RVS? :P
But why are you ignoring his question Maximum Spin? (FoS is blue, right?)Yes.
TiruinY'know if I had something like the power to save people, I still would say I didn't do anything or otherwise fakeclaim what I did, aye? :PI am perplexed (because yaaay stuffs is happening). o_oAre you saying you took no action last night, or that you tried to, but got role blocked so nothing happened? If the former, was there a particular reason you didn't do anything last night?
And/or Fallacy did stuff I don't understand. My day PM (I did NUTHIN yesterday...err night), told me I was roleblocked, as in the 'when day happens you get a PM probably'. :P
[...]I usually spent all my time analyzing the flavor for clues, while the other players scum hunted properly.Welcome to Bay12, where everything has flavor even the mundane BMs! :P And everyone analyzes flavor just for funsies.
It seems like there's 3 players that submitted a second trope and received some sort of flaw in their role. Do you think their penalties relate to their submitted tropes in some way?Doubt it. It's weird that FoU would flaw a ROLE than a trope--leading to my thinking that tropes do affect roles, even if all were done before the game started, and thus alignments rolled out. If anything, the flaw would be role-tailored I believe. Else it wouldn't really be a flaw. :P
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies: Probably adds lethality to everything.FoU: Color suggestion! (Orange > Purple. Some of us use Darkling! The forum backdrop and formatting of the upper boards! Making everything darker D:).
(1) Affably Evil (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Affably_Evil): Powers up scum (in the end? later?) but gives them a weaker thingy maybe (or makes them good-er? Likely disguising them?)
(1) Boring But Practical (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Boring_but_Practical): ...JOAT'yness? :P I've no idea how tropes work but this sounds like something to bolster vanilla actions?
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: ...This is all about swords. I have no idea whatsoever.
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Gosh_Dang_It_to_Heck):
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Star-Crossed_Lovers):
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(1) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere
(0) Jumping The Shark:
2. I agree with you that there are at least 2 scum. There were 2 scum in the two previous FBYOR games, so it makes sense for it to be the same here. The only difference is that we have 11 players in this game instead of 9, so perhaps there's also a third party or two in this game. Based on the way my role powers are worded, I feel that there is at least one other person with a killing power, in addition to the scum.Instantaneously saying 'third party' over '3 scum'? o_O What's up with that?
Tiruin - If I gave you a new ability in exchange for your old one, would you want it back?What about MY questions to you. T_T
NQT - If I primed an ability who's feedback I had to relay through you on death, would you speak up?
Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?
Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?
Newbie question: Is it bad if I only post when I'm directly adressed? I don't really know what to say since it's just day 1 and there isn't a whole lot of information to work with right now. Also maybe I'm just too passive.Nah, that's a thing when you lack time or something. If you're a newbie and wonder what to do--communicate and engage in chat with other people! :3 You can ask them questions or quote something they said and ask it. To carry over some advice for newbies; if you are scum, think that you're playing as Town in the day, which follows in the next sentence. If you're Town, follow your wincondition--proactively think forward to 'how will I find scum best', leading to the thinking of 'how do I scope out the best assumption towards people', which leads to the theme of 'how do I feel these people out as best as I can, to ensure that my use of abilities/votes are to my wincondition'.
But why are you ignoring his question Maximum Spin? (FoS is blue, right?)FoS is blue, yep! It also helps to outline your own reasoning for your curiosity to others if you can. Forum games mean "EVERYTHING IS RECORDED" meaning everything written can be perused anytime for thought.
According to the user statistics, you both have thousands of posts on the Mafia subforum, so I thought there was a pretty decent chance that both of you were familiar with each other's play style.(This was a reasonable guess. Almost every game I've played on this forum has been with Tiruin.)
That said, I'm only familiar with her play style from reading the last two FBYOR games, so I'm not particularly confident in these evaluations.I don't think you're too far off the mark.
Are you pretty confident that all of the trope effects will apply to every player? Do you think it's possible that some of them only affect specific teams (like town-only or scum-only)?I suppose it's possible that there'll be team specific tropes, sure. Also, I think someone will have the power to invert tropes.
NQT - If I primed an ability who's feedback I had to relay through you on death, would you speak up?If you had flipped town when you died, then definitely. If you were scum, I'd be concerned that you were trying to relay a hidden message to a team mate.
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
NQTRocks Fall Everyone Dies sounds like a recipe for total party kill, so I think it would be best if we picked a trope rather than letting it go random. As such, let's Jump the Shark already.WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?
Why are your first questions otherwise all about tropes?
randomgenericusername, what's the biggest scum tell in your book?Lying and inconsistency, I guess. Examples of these are:
Maximum Spin, what does a "long-term strategy" look like for a scum player, beyond just staying alive and killing the town?Why, do you need some help? :P
kingawsume and Maximum Spin: What, if anything, have you learned from your last game of mafia here? Are you going to make any changes for this game?I learned ya'll some crazy mofos, and if you don't conform to the Bay12 meta, it's instantly suspicious. :P
kingawsume If you had to daykill someone right now, who would it be?
Imic, so am I right in thinking GigaGiant looks scummy to you for voting for Affably Evil? If the day were to end in an hour, would that be a sufficient reason to vote for him?
randomgenericusername, what's the biggest scum tell in your book?
juicebox, you say "now for some RVS", which, as we all know, stands for "random vote stage", and yet you didn't randomly vote anybody. Are you afraid to place some pressure?
Maximum Spin, what does a "long-term strategy" look like for a scum player, beyond just staying alive and killing the town?
SilthuriHow did you reach this conclusion from you asking me why you'd suspect me? Right now my strongest suspicion is on the person who voted for an evil trope, but I've no solid leads. Are you fishing for investigative roles or something?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
I'd keep a very close eye on anyone claiming survivor, but I don't think that it's worth trying to lynch people just on suspicion of mafia-claiming-survivor. Overall, though, I don't think I've played enough Mafia to have a genuinely good handle on dealing with third parties.Hilarity Ensues.Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!Let's talk general third party, survivors and the people that get skittish when people threaten them.Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
That's just one example, but it seems the most implied based on your question.
... Tawa: I don't believe I've played mafia with ... you before. How would you describe your playstyle?I'm honestly not sure how to describe it. I haven't played in years, I think. I'm familiar with the terminology and theory of the gameplay, but last time I played I was like fifteen and got lynched in practically every game I played because I was a hyperactive goofball back then who thought that the best way to win was to wildly argue the mafia into submission.
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
Maximum Spin, I'm getting a bad reading on you. In every single post you've made, you dodge (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660462#msg7660462) the (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660728#msg7660728) questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660187#msg7660187) and speak in riddles (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661075#msg7661075) while contributing nothing yourself--not to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.
Also why is everyone jumping all over Giga now? I know I started the vote on him but y'all basically bandwagoning now and it's suspicious af.I've checked back, and it's only Maximum Spin and kingawsume being the folks doing that. :O
You love me so much I'm picked as a second without any further detail! :P ♥Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Hilarity Ensues, sure, wfm.
Do you randomly pick people as an answer to 'who' questions too? Because 'giving a person's name without any mentioned reasoning' also counts as random. :PYeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
not to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.do you
This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.You are correct that I only answer the questions that I like. I don't know why GigaGiant hasn't taken up my offer yet, though.
do younot to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.do you
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The thing about misdirection schemes is that they have to actually misdirect, not be transparently obvious.You kinda have to talk to the other person rather than react to their accusation or assumption instead. :P So it'll lead to a lot less tension or needless sarcasm.
What does this mean for your team?This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.[...]I only answer the questions that I like.[...]
What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore. What is even the relevance of it? What is it supposed to mean? It's vaguely leading without having any purpose, and the potential space of answers is infinite, yet none of those infinite answers would matter. I could spend a few minutes of my life trying to formulate a response carefully tailored to convey something useful and hope it's interpreted in the manner in which I intended it (a rare feat in human communication), but it's just not worth it.
The thing about misdirection schemes is that they have to actually misdirect, not be transparently obvious.Ah, you know what, you've got me there.
Then why didn't you?What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore.
Seems more like something on your part with direct communication. :P I've worked with a lot of backgrounds in areas where communication is vital, and while the impression is true of 'bad communication' usually leading to misunderstandings and otherwise, that's diverging from the point of communication; an answer is better than none. It also shows respect to the other person too.What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore. What is even the relevance of it? What is it supposed to mean? It's vaguely leading without having any purpose, and the potential space of answers is infinite, yet none of those infinite answers would matter. I could spend a few minutes of my life trying to formulate a response carefully tailored to convey something useful and hope it's interpreted in the manner in which I intended it (a rare feat in human communication), but it's just not worth it.
If my team is so terrible that they cannot cope with selective answering, then they're terrible enough that we're going to lose no matter what I do, and we'll probably deserve it. I'd like to think that isn't the case.
Are you scum? :PMaximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
I don't always answer just any question, you know. :P
But here, in return, I will precommit to answer one (1) question from you, the next that you ask, truthfully.
How does Affably Evil sound like a nerf to scum (when the trope's lower sections tell it's not?)
They are sometimes comedic or a Well-Intentioned Extremist who really believes that they are right. More often than not, they are a form of Anti-Villain because a straight villain wouldn't easily be so genuinely good-naturedThat was my basis for thinking Affably Evil villians were "lesser" villians, and thus the trope's effect could be a nerf to the scum. There were also several tropes listed under "Compare Tropes" that seemed to support the idea of a villian with restraint or limitations (eg. Even Evil Has Standards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards)). It sounded like Affably Evil villians were generally low-tier villians in a story, overshadowed by the true Big Bad. By that logic, if we consider the scum in this game as the "Big Bad (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad)", then making them Affably Evil would be a downgrade.
There could be 3 scum. I was just inclined to believe that there were other people with killing abilities in addition to the scum, based on the description of how my role powers work and what situations the powers fail in. Though, I suppose that since neither of the past two games had third parties, it would be consistent if FOU didn't include any in this game either. If that's the case, then there may be situations where the scum are capable of killing 2 people in a single night, or several townies may also have killing powers.Quote2. I agree with you that there are at least 2 scum. There were 2 scum in the two previous FBYOR games, so it makes sense for it to be the same here. The only difference is that we have 11 players in this game instead of 9, so perhaps there's also a third party or two in this game. Based on the way my role powers are worded, I feel that there is at least one other person with a killing power, in addition to the scum.Instantaneously saying 'third party' over '3 scum'? o_O What's up with that?
After reading previous Fallacy games, what insights do you (have) as to how this one might go down?I don't have very many. Aside from both previous games having 2 mafia and 7 townies, the two games went pretty differently. Abilities in both games differed wildly as well, so anything could happen here.
Are you scum? :PI will be generous and answer both truthfully:
Okay, but seriously, why didn't you want to answer that question?
There could be 3 scum. I was just inclined to believe that there were other people with killing abilities in addition to the scum, based on the description of how my role powers work and what situations the powers fail in.Roles are usually written in a general way to avoid giving you information about that kind of thing.
I do think there will be multiple kills each night and perhaps even people with revival abilities. At least, that's what I'm speculating based on my role and how the game might be balanced around it.I am quite confident that that is true.
I mean... I hate rvs too, but it's a given in mafia.It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.
Then you could have answered "I don't think random voting is a good idea".I mean... I hate rvs too, but it's a given in mafia.It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.
That said, you're completely misunderstanding. GigaGiant's question was "What do you think is the best way to use your vote during the RVS stage?", which I could not answer because it doesn't make sense to me. The best way to use your vote at any time in the game is to find and lynch mafia. Because I don't believe in "RVS", I have no answer to that specific question.
Secondly, I hoped you wouldn't do this Maximum.Funnily enough, I hoped that after seeing it once, people wouldn't find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding.
Seems more like something on your part with direct communication. :P I've worked with a lot of backgrounds in areas where communication is vital, and while the impression is true of 'bad communication' usually leading to misunderstandings and otherwise, that's diverging from the point of communication; an answer is better than none. It also shows respect to the other person too.This one was especially vexing, because I find you completely incomprehensible. When I ignore your questions, it's not usually because I have no particular interest in the question per se, but because it struck me as total word salad. I like you well enough that I wanted to avoid saying as much, but, well, here we are. The thing is, 99% of the time, when something is ambiguous and incomprehensible, most people just make assumptions and carry on with their lives instead of bothering to ask of clarify, and then they just carry away their own radically different misinterpretations of the thing without ever sparing a second thought for the fact that someone else might have taken it differently. Most of the time you never even find out that it happened, because the effects are subtle and pernicious. This has probably happened to you and to everyone here many times before.
Anyway, I'd rather switch out than see my excellent role go to waste.sigh...
1) That's not very convincing. Nothing is actually stopping you from lying, unless you treat that word 'truthful' as sacred. What would you do as mafia if someone asks you "Maximum Spin, please tell me, truthfully, are you scum?"Are you scum? :PI will be generous and answer both truthfully:
Okay, but seriously, why didn't you want to answer that question?
1) No. I know what you're thinking, "you'd say that anyway", but, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't. If I were mafia, I would just not have offered to answer a question truthfully, in case it might give something away.
2) Because I don't believe in "RVS". I consider it foolish. As you can no doubt see, I don't generally feel the need to play along with this whole unproductive business.
notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
I'd say go for lynch. Mislynching this early is acceptable, I'd like to believe.
Maximum Spin.
I don't see much else we can do. Maximum Spin. We can hopefully nab leads by tomorrow.I have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?
Not trying to bandwagon, I'm just putting my vote here because it's almost time to sleep for me.Why are you concerned about looking like you're bandwagoning?
randomgenericusernameBecause just a moment ago before that post I was worried of the supossedly started bandwagon over you. I saidNot trying to bandwagon, I'm just putting my vote here because it's almost time to sleep for me.Why are you concerned about looking like you're bandwagoning?
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.then voted Maximum Spin who then had 3 votes. I would probably be seen as me bandwagoning and I got worried and nervous.
1) That's not very convincing. Nothing is actually stopping you from lying, unless you treat that word 'truthful' as sacred. What would you do as mafia if someone asks you "Maximum Spin, please tell me, truthfully, are you scum?"You're misunderstanding the point here. In that case, I would either ignore the question (most likely, because it's a stupid question) or simply lie. The difference is not that the word 'truthful' is sacred, but that my promise to answer the question truthfully is. I wouldn't have given that if I was not prepared to follow through.
2) Why did you answer BlackHeartKabal's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) question then? You didn't consider that to be a RVS question?You're making the same misinterpretation as Silthuri. I don't mean that "I don't answer RVS questions because I don't do RVS", I mean that I didn't answer your question because it specifically asked what I would do in RVS, and I don't have an answer to that because I don't do RVS. I answered BHK's question because it didn't include any assumptions like that. And this whole point of misunderstanding about what I meant is also why I usually just ignore these questions instead of getting bogged down in dumb arguments about them that inevitably distract everyone.
Also, another question for Maximum Spin:I don't buy randomgenericusername's "I just have a gut feeling of wrongness!" line at all. That would be, like, kindergartener level of play or worse if he actually meant that. That whole post just reeks of stirring ambiguity to try to make it easier to get away with voting to lynch a town player while still getting to say "welp, guess I was wrong" afterward.
What's your read on each player that's voting for you?
The rest after the last links are easily seen in the last page.
Gig {1} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
Tir (Everyone) {2} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659578#msg7659578)
BHK {3} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816)
Kingawsume/random G{4} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660296#msg7660296)
NQT {5} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660456#msg7660456)
juicebox {6} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660630#msg7660630)
NQT {7} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660674#msg7660674)
Silthuri {8} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661103#msg7661103)
Tawarochir{9} (with random G's agreement below) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661118#msg7661118)
Tir {10} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661132#msg7661132)
Tir {11} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661166#msg7661166)
Tawa {12} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188)
Tir {13} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661207#msg7661207)
Gig {14} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661236#msg7661236)1st post {3} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660121#msg7660121)
2nd, noting {1}, with emphasis(?) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660187#msg7660187)
3rd, {5} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660462#msg7660462)
4th {7} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660728#msg7660728)
5th {9} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661138#msg7661138)
6th (response in sarcasm?) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661153#msg7661153)
7th {11, unanswered} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661186#msg7661186)
8th {14} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661246#msg7661246)
9th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661259#msg7661259)
10th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661831#msg7661831)
11th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661855#msg7661855)
12th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661860#msg7661860)
NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.Is there any reason I'm being tied with NQT and random generic username?
I'm only the normal level of suspicious of Tiruin at the moment. If NQT is scum, however, and especially if RGU isn't, the suspicion level would go way up.
Honestly, seeing Maximum Spin's response is visually passively-aggressive themed at first.I have no idea what any of the mentioned phrases are meant to mean. I could make assumptions, but I'd rather not. Some of them are just overly elaborate and hard to parse, and others ("an outlying idea of what they can imply"? "a very generalized sense of answering"?) just seem like word salad to me. "Word salad" in this sense is a linguistic term, by the way, although I am also aware of the psychological term. Which reminds me, although I understood what "mental studies" was intended to convey *because* I knew you were talking about the psychological term, it's also an extremely odd construction in English and, without context, I don't think most people would understand it to mean psychology.
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And looking back at the questions he has missed, one can see an outlying idea of what they can imply.
[...] it is outside of the norm to ignore them outright, because while communicating is learned, ignorance is learned in turn, alongside finding reasons to back up why you choose to ignore them.
[...]it'll mean a lot better than[...]
However, there is still communication--even if the first impression isn't something particularly exact, it's also getting ideas from others.
[...]2nd, noting {1}, with emphasis(?)
[...]6th (response in sarcasm?)
[...]having a certain first impression that is easily pushed aside in favor of answering clearly.
[...]I see nothing wrong or indicative of any way you CAN answer the ones unanswered
[...]I'm unsure why there's a very generalized sense of answering
[...]but I can see his response of not comprehending why the question is present in the first place with the anxiety of not having your answer be as succinct a response, to also be reasonable.
Secondly, I hoped you wouldn't do this Maximum.Funnily enough, I hoped that after seeing it once, people wouldn't find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding.
You (general) do realise that there's no rational reason why this would correlate with being mafia at all, right? And also, possibly, that transparently and openly ignoring some questions is not the same as "dodging" them? And maybe somewhere along the line, that words like "dodgy" and "shifty" have an actual meaning that this is not any of?
juicebox has been pretty inactive, which is often suspicious. At this point, I would probably get on board a bandwagon against him, because, *irrespective* of whether he's mafia or not, knowing whether he is would narrow down those aforementioned wavefunctions substantially. But I'm not going to throw a vote against him on my own, at the moment, when there are other people I could be investigating.
What's your read on each player that's voting for you?
What are these wavefunctions that you're talking about here?Quantum superpositions. Possibility states. Basically, a metaphor for an evolving set of beliefs or suspicions.
Also, I've haven't really been that inactive, especially if you consider that this game pretty much started on the weekend.Yeaaaah, you have.
Everything in Maximum's posts looks wrong to me. Like, very wrong. I don't know if it's a gut feeling or something, but I think he might either be scum or a really unhelpful townie. Since it's just day 1 and no one died night 1, can we risk misslynching? If we are going to lynch today, Maximum Spin seems like the safest choice of lynch. At least we will get more answers from his flip.Were you aware when you wrote this, that no lethal actions were taken N0? :P
I think I might be tunneling him on accident, but there is just something wrong in the way he posts and I can feel it in my gut.
First of all, votecount please.Since FoU is sick...
A special hammer system is in effect:And the majority is usually 1/2 of total players +1. Unless FoU is using a different system.
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline.[...]
What are these wavefunctions that you're talking about here?Quantum superpositions. Possibility states. Basically, a metaphor for an evolving set of beliefs or suspicions.
irrespective of whether he's mafia or not, knowing whether he is would narrow down those aforementioned wavefunctions substantially.could apply to literally anybody here then, since knowing anyone's alignment would significantly narrow down the wavefunctions.
could apply to literally anybody here then, since knowing anyone's alignment would significantly narrow down the wavefunctions.I mean, it depends on how you define "significantly", but, in my opinion, the wavefunctions I was working on would be pruned much more effectively by some lynchings than others, and, because of your relative inactivity, you're one of them. I realise that's not what you want, heh. But finding out that you are mafia would tell me a lot more about the other mafia members than finding out that, say, Imic or Tawa was.
ImicI am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Err, I've color coded some statements that are contradictory ._.ImicI am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, [glow=blue,2300]when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.[/glow]notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Now I have RL stuff to do.
Were you aware when you wrote this, that no lethal actions were taken N0? :PI was aware and is also one of the only reasons I would be okay with risking a misslynch. If someone had died we would have been thinking this more carefully.
Why is Maximum Spin the 'safest' choice of lynch here? What are you comparing him to?
I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.If you're telling the truth, then yeah I can see why that would have been a reason for suspicion. But:
Now I have RL stuff to do.
NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.What's your rationale here? Just your gut or do you actually have a case?
It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.I don't doubt this, but I'm curious what the better way is. While players have no info D1, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. This game is a bit different though as some of us have some investigation info from last night.
It's situational, but I'm sure we've all seen the kind of conspiracies and misdirections I'm talking about. For example, in a BYOR like this, I might fabricate a coordinating set of fake abilities to subvert investigations and explain away "mislynching".Do you think it looks like anyone's doing that? I think we're seeing more vote co-ordination/band-wagoning than normal for B12, but if we don't get enough people about a lynch then scum won't get lynched.
There's nobody outwardly suspicious (yet) that catches my attention.So you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?? Something doesn't add up here.
No NQT, I'm not afraid to place pressure. What is your opinion on D1 town gambits? On gambits in general? Do you think this is the type of game where town gambits will be useful?I bloody love gambits, not going to lie. The purpose of the game is to have fun and they make the game more fun. They aren't, however, a safe play and often are unwise. I think that if they're cleverly applied, then town gambits are fine on any day.
You said that I must not have any reason to suspect anyone, so that made me think that logically you would also consider yourself to have no reason to suspect anyone. Anyway the game has moved on and people now have suspicions, myself included so I'm fine to drop the point.How did you reach this conclusion from you asking me why you'd suspect me? Right now my strongest suspicion is on the person who voted for an evil trope, but I've no solid leads. Are you fishing for investigative roles or something?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
Also foin. Hilarity Ensues, but since I'm a SO SRS GRUMPAww Tiwuin don't be gwump
do youYour argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.
genuinely
think I haven't heard of misdirection schemes
ImicTo forward a note I have that I noticed wasn't mentioned until the new replies bop'd this back into my newbox (thanks post but NOT preview :V), I noticed the cult mention too, but the contradictoryness (noted also in the below paragraph) nudged the importance from my mind.I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.If you're telling the truth, then yeah I can see why that would have been a reason for suspicion. But:
Now I have RL stuff to do.
A. If that was why you were suspicious, why weren't you voting me?
B: When did you plan on telling us there could be a cult in the game?! That's big, game-changing news!
@Tiruin...No I get it, it however may read off really badly for other people. I am biased by experience, but I question (and back up NQT's note) of the idea--assuming that you assumed it was a cultist BY assumption--of your reasoning.
Crap.
I said that assuming that he would think I would join him the next night, but I think that saying that was a terrible idea.
To whomever is in charge of some evil cult: You saw nothing.
Your argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.Which is why I admitted, four posts later, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188) that it was bad. I mean, come on, don't jump down my throat before reading everything I've said.
Ehhh, "case" is a subjective statement. If you're asking, could I lay out my reasoning in full and expect others to follow it, then no; that's just not how my brain works. (In MBTI terms, I'm an N.) But I wouldn't call it a gut feeling either. I have a detailed mental image of how an NQT Who Is Scum acts and how an NQT Who Is Town does, and, while it's hard to say anything this early because there's obviously a lot of overlap, you're matching the first pattern more closely than the second. Explaining how the model works would compromise its usefulness, even if it was possible. From my perspective, it feels like... one of those "Netflix recommendations" neural-net AIs sitting inside my brain (which makes sense since a brain is, in fact, a neural network), categorising stuff based on observations without being able to explain what a "buddy comedy" or "foreign-language indie film" actually are.NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.What's your rationale here? Just your gut or do you actually have a case?
I don't doubt this, but I'm curious what the better way is. While players have no info D1, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. This game is a bit different though as some of us have some investigation info from last night.Instead of asking silly questions that don't actually separate town from mafia and applying "pressure" in the form of random votes in the vain hope that someone will actually be dumb enough to take it personally and slip up, there was a lot more focus on watching and waiting, and on interacting to gauge the reactions of *other people watching you interact* instead of the people you're interacting with, whose responses should already be totally predicted. Of course, there were always some people milling about randomly (although still in what I would consider to be more usefully directed ways), which was necessary to generate that activity to wait and watch in the first place, but I'm talking about what I saw the best players doing. Unfortunately, pace kinga's "if you liked that so much just go back", I'm still there, but we don't play mafia anymore because most of the players literally died. :/
Do you think it looks like anyone's doing that?Nope, more's the pity.
I think we're seeing more vote co-ordination/band-wagoning than normal for B12, but if we don't get enough people about a lynch then scum won't get lynched.Doesn't look much like they will if you do, either.
My first thougths were more or less "Nope".Could...I ask details please, Imic? You're all over the place, and it is either unlike you for that kind of behavior, or you are stressed by something totally unrelated to Mafia.
@NotQuiteThere I'm waiting until a bit later to see what everyone is up to before I vote for someone, but now that you mention it, I might as well.
Notquitethere
Whispers from nowhere, whispers asking you a question. Whispers giving you an offer. Will you join their cult?
PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)
I still have the whole 'how am I associated with NQT and Imic' unanswered.Eh, fine.
How did you see all the other questions?PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)
PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)QuoteI still have the whole 'how am I associated with NQT and Imic' unanswered.Eh, fine.
Where do you even get this silly idea that you are associated with anyone? Correlation doesn't imply causation. Depending on other details, certain parts of your pattern become more salient. For example, a major factor in your own pattern is the inner tension you have regarding (in)activity, and how much you might over- or under-compensate as mafia depending on the actions of your teammates. Things like this then interact with suspicions about other people, so the reason NQT and RGU came up is simply because I had already mentioned them, not because you are somehow associated with them in particular.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.Why didn't YOU say anything about it?
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?
Well Mr. passive aggressive, perhaps it would help you to look at what I say rather than demean me and skim by thought alone.You may note that I explicitly referred to that post in that paragraph, proving that I do indeed recall what I said.
[You don't seemingly recall what you've said]
Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
So you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.
I have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.
At the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
Interesting.Well Mr. passive aggressive, perhaps it would help you to look at what I say rather than demean me and skim by thought alone.You may note that I explicitly referred to that post in that paragraph, proving that I do indeed recall what I said.
[You don't seemingly recall what you've said]
I am telling you that what I said does not imply that you are 'associated'.
I can also earnestly say that I have never been known to experience passive aggression.Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.That wasn't notquitethere. That was me.
Now I have RL stuff to do.
Imic - Hiya! What do you believe was your biggest mistake in the last mafia game you played and how do you intend to avoid that mistake again?
1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?QuoteSo you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.QuoteAt the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
Also what is anyone's understanding of 'Majority vote' mean in terms of quantity? I counted 7 who voted Maximum Spin and thought that was when the hammer technically fell.Since there are 11 players here, I assumed that would be 6 in this case. According to this website (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority), one of the definitions of majority is:
c. a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total6 is more than 50% of 11, so it would be the majority count.
Also knowing FoU, he'll mod-extend this due to sickness and unavailability of votecount.I hope so. I'd prefer that the Day not end early. I'll have much more free time for analysis and scum hunting during Wednesday and Thursday.
Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?uhhh, kinda? It's also themed around not telling people what my role is, though.
Huh, okay. I asked because I thought that what you posted earlier here...Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?uhhh, kinda? It's also themed around not telling people what my role is, though.
I'm being 100% serious about that.
I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
...might have been part of some sort of posting restriction. Are you required to make this offer and then provide a true answer?Maximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
I don't always answer just any question, you know. :P
But here, in return, I will precommit to answer one (1) question from you, the next that you ask, truthfully.
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Not because of my role, no. That's 100% personal philosophy right there.I wish I was also given this respect. u_u But I am grateful for the answers to my questions o_o even if in one of them it sounded a lot like snarkasm.
Miscellaneous ThoughtsImic got backed up by Max here. :P Given their behaviors and otherwise (my notes and their interactions), I'd believe them. Alongside the unspoken idea of 'do I claim there's a cult now or later', I'm wondering if it was explicitly said it was a cult-alignment who did that. (I mean given the BYOR, it could be a cult-themed one, like Mephansteras' "Devil" in Paranormal, which has the theme of 'asking' for great power)
I'm inclined to believe that Imic is telling the truth regarding the cult. That bit of flavor he quoted looked genuine. Based on what he described, it sounds like the cult leader has to ask people to join instead of forcefully converting them. That sounds like it could be a penalty from submitting two articles. Or it's just necessary to keep the cult balanced. I'm not sure yet.Also knowing FoU, he'll mod-extend this due to sickness and unavailability of votecount.I hope so. I'd prefer that the Day not end early. I'll have much more free time for analysis and scum hunting during Wednesday and Thursday.
Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.QuoteSo you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.QuoteAt the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Doesn't work like that.
Day 1 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time on next Thursday(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Well, this is a headache.Thanks for the heads up. Glad to see you're feeling better for the most part.
I'm mostly over my sickness(stuff still tastes funky), I can get back to moderating and...
Now I have a lot of stuff to do. A lot.
Suffice it to say the day won't be over for a bit. Hammer may possibly have occurred, but I'm keeping the below deadline for the moment.Day 1 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time on next Thursday(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Tiruin can keep her personal extension if she likes.
What's your basis for being confident in Imic's abilities? Also, was there a reason that you italicized "maintain", or was that just for emphasis?Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
What was the reason you originally voted for me?Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Hilarity Ensues, sure, wfm.
What's your basis for being confident in Imic's abilities? Also, was there a reason that you italicized "maintain", or was that just for emphasis?A) Just the general impression I have of Imic, as a person, from various things. B) Emphasis, specifically relating to the fact that maintaining a strategy is a harder, rarer, and more important skill than just coming up with one in the first place.
What was the reason you originally voted for me?Because the several posts before it suggested that you were the most effective vote to place to get a read on everyone, both because of the conversations you were embroiled in at that point and because I wanted to see what people would do after I tit-for-tatted your vote for me.
Actions that are dangerous or illegal often lead to injury, arrest, job dismissal, expulsion from school, deportation, or other dire consequences. Thankfully for our fictional friends, both the Rule of Cool and the Rule of Funny keep them safe (the latter more prominently)....this trope's effect might change deadly actions to be less harmful, in some comedic fashion.
1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
2. Why did you knowingly hammer someone you thought was likely to be a townie? If you had held back, we would have had more time to scum hunt during Day 1. We could always have lynched him at Day's end if we didn't uncover anyone else more scummy.Oh yeah... I guess you're right; call it only being slightly seasoned.
((I've decided that since the hammer occurred while I was sick and not available to process it, and the current vote is not a hammer, Spin won't be immediately lynched.))
OK fair enough. You're now voting him for generally being shifty?Your argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.Which is why I admitted, four posts later, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188) that it was bad. I mean, come on, don't jump down my throat before reading everything I've said.
Notquitethere unvoteRemember to put in red your unvotes.
So let me get this straight, you tried to hammer a player who you actually think is town? You weren't even trying to hunt scum?! I mean, usually it might be in doubt but here we have a clear cut case of a player actively seeking a mislynch.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.
Miscellaneous ThoughtsThese are pretty solid reflections. I'm inclined to agree.
I'm inclined to believe that Imic is telling the truth regarding the cult. That bit of flavor he quoted looked genuine. Based on what he described, it sounds like the cult leader has to ask people to join instead of forcefully converting them. That sounds like it could be a penalty from submitting two articles. Or it's just necessary to keep the cult balanced. I'm not sure yet.
They may Pet the Dog on occasion, but won't hesitate to kick it with steel-toed boots the next second if it helps them accomplish their Evil Plan.
Also, quoting from the Affably Evil page:See that's what told me that's evil. :PQuote from: Affably EvilThey may Pet the Dog on occasion, but won't hesitate to kick it with steel-toed boots the next second if it helps them accomplish their Evil Plan.
What do you think about the people voting you, and their votes on you, including how they pushed it on you in a hammer game?Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Doesn't work like that.
You also said you wanted a free question, so go ahead.
Anyway, all of those voting Maximum Spin: With the added time given, do you still think he is the best person to place your lynch vote on?Probably yes, his claim could be fake.
For example, in a BYOR like this, I might fabricate a coordinating set of fake abilities to subvert investigations and explain away "mislynching".Is this post that makes me not trust his claim. What if he is really a cultist or scum? Or his claim could be true but his alignment is still scum. We don't know.
juicebox[/b]
You said here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661814#msg7661814) that you thought that Maximum Spin was town. Do you still believe that? Do you think anyone else is suspicious?
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
reasons[/i], I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
juiceboxWhile I'm still leaning town on Max, I am a bit more suspicious of him than I was at first, due to this cultist business with Imic.
You said here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661814#msg7661814) that you thought that Maximum Spin was town. Do you still believe that? Do you think anyone else is suspicious?
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
And lastly, Imic: Imic, how suspicious I am of you would depend entirely on how you respond to that message you should have received last night. If you continue to ignore it, especially now that you know I know about it, well, that would suggest to me that you already have other allegiances.This statement is particularly confusing to me. Okay, I'm assuming that your role powers let you know whether Imic accepts or rejects the cult offer. Is that assumption correct? If so, then how does him ignoring that offer tell you that he has other allegiances?
Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
What do you think about the people voting you, and their votes on you, including how they pushed it on you in a hammer game?Probably more out of incompetence than malice. One possible strategy the mafia could employ during that: have one or two (depending on how many mafia there are) members join the bandwagon, in order to push it ahead a little more, while the rest stay out of it in order to help guide the post-town-flip witchhunt toward town bandwagoners, with the expectation that, once a town person from the bandwagon is lynched, people will just assume the bandwagon was not a mafia plot and totally discard any further clues it might have held from their minds.
Is this post that makes me not trust his claim. What if he is really a cultist or scum? Or his claim could be true but his alignment is still scum. We don't know.Things like this are what make me not trust you, because I think you're smart enough to know that mafia don't actually go around dropping little hints about their plans in the thread, and that strategy statements like that are totally nonpredictive.
When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
Wait what? Cultists aren't town aligned, they're third parties.This is a BYOR, remember? You can't assume that.
Also can you answer my question please?I don't know what else to say. I was told that he had received a message involving whispers from a cultist. That is how I know that he received a message involving whispers from a cultist.
kingawsumeI had a read of "Annoying person" and just wanted to get rid of him from that. Now that's he's posted some more, I'm thinking something not so assimilar to a Spy role, except that it's a cult, not mafia. Alignment is grey, but I don't believe he's a cult member. I'll Unvote for now.Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Did you have any kind of read on Maximum Spin before you hammered? What's your read on Maximum Spin now?
Also, you missed Tiruin's question:Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
[...Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?
Well at first blush it seemed logical. I thought that the cult leader would want to try to get a handle on the person who was considering their offer. Now I'm of the opinion that the cult leader would probably avoid speaking to someone if that person had refused their offer. Everything depends on how the cult works mechanically, which only the cult leader knows (if there even is a cult-- Imic might be lying or could have received false information to mislead).[...Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?
Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
What is a "Spy role" capable of? Is it like the Spy mentioned on the Town of Salem Wiki (http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Spy), or is it the Spy/Traitor mentioned on the MafiaScum Wiki (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor)? Or something else?kingawsumeI had a read of "Annoying person" and just wanted to get rid of him from that. Now that's he's posted some more, I'm thinking something not so assimilar to a Spy role, except that it's a cult, not mafia. Alignment is grey, but I don't believe he's a cult member. I'll Unvote for now.Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Did you have any kind of read on Maximum Spin before you hammered? What's your read on Maximum Spin now?
Also, you missed Tiruin's question:Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
To Tiru, not yet. I'll look more when I have the time. Day ends tomorrow, right?
Hmmm...Why are you avoiding answering my questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662666#msg7662666)? If nothing else, I would really appreciate it if you could at least answer these:
Anyway, all of those voting Maximum Spin: With the added time given, do you still think he is the best person to place your lynch vote on?I'm very confuzzled with the recent developments and I'm going back and forth between Max and Imic because of the cult shenanigans. I think Imic is a possible cultist and I don't necessarily trust his word that he doesn't want to join the cult. But Max's meager responses are still a source of confusion for me, so as of right now I suppose that my best choice is to place my vote on the person who has confirmed (by his own words) contact with a cult so Imic.
What is a "Spy role" capable of? Is it like the Spy mentioned on the Town of Salem Wiki, or is it the Spy/Traitor mentioned on the MafiaScum Wiki? Or something else?Town of Salem.
Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?Wait when the hell did I say that?
Not everyone here has had the luxury of playing with you before this game, such as myself. I believe you were lynched before I even replaced in, so I didn't look very hard at your play given that I was scum and had more pressing matters.It would be fair to say that I hoped nobody would find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding, whether they've had the opportunity to play with me before or not. But I would be especially more annoyed at people who had.
So, again, you're ignoring questions rather than asking for clarification?Yes, because it's not my responsibility to make sure your questions make sense for you! I don't have this drive to answer questions just because they're there, remember?
You're accusing Tiru of being extremely wordy (correct me if I'm wrong)Okay! Usually she isn't wordy enough, at least not in the direction of actual clarification, while the words she does use don't make sense in context and just add to the confusion.
Maybe I'm just being nitpicky here because I'm easily miffed where friends come in and I just have this natural urge to defend Tiru, especially when it comes to her writing :vLook, I didn't want to bring it up, but she kept pressing the issue. I like Tiruin, okay, I just find her really really hard to understand most of the time. I was trying not to make a big deal out of it.
And on reading further, you are extremely passive aggressive.If you think you see me being passive-aggressive, it's probable that you're misinterpreting something. Or just confusing sarcasm with passive-aggressiveness, which is a common enough mistake. Anyway, please explain when you think I'm being passive-aggressive? If I have ever been anything less than actually aggressive I would consider it a grave stain on my honour.
I'd like to restate a question I believe I and someone else asked and you conveniently didn't answer: rather than simply ignoring, why not just say what you said right here? Answer the question by saying you don't do RVS? If you have decent reasoning, the distraction would be significantly less than what we've been dealing with all day today.Because I didn't feel like going out of my way to answer a question with faulty premises, and getting distracted by people not answering every single question is insane and terrible, so I didn't expect it to happen.
This is rubbing me the wrong way. Could be just me, but you seem to be making kinda personal attacks on people, especially with king here.shrug
I'd also like to point out that you don't state a read on me in this post. I'm only mentioned as misunderstanding you.Huh, I seem to have missed you, even though I was following the list of players in the first post.
Took you a while to say this, too.Yep.
Well then. I'd love to know how your role prevents you from telling people what your role is, when you're subtly doing that now.Hypothetically, the theme of the role could be about only doing things or giving away information subtly.
I think that it's probable that Maximum Spin was a cultist and he recruited Imic, then made the fake claim of his ability to support Imic's story about being asked to join the cult. Imic was the one who was "offered" to join the cult so he is probably not the cult leader but could still potentially be a cultist. I don't think we should vote for Imic yet.Wait wait wait. Why on earth would I want to back up Imic's admission of the existence of a cult if I was in it? I'm not a cultist (I already told you, remember), and in fact I'm pretty confident there is no cult alignment in the game, but, if I was, and Imic was in the cult, I'd be telling him "hey genius don't tell everyone there's a cult", because why would any cult member want you to think there was a cult ever?
Working on a hunch, I started writing out evidence for how GigaGiant is probably the cult leader. But now I've gone through it, it seems less likely/reading back I seem increasingly deranged. So the work wasn't wasted, here's what I found:I wish I was a recruiter. :P However, if I was, Imic would be one of my last choices. I probably would have tried recruiting you or Tiruin, simply on the basis of experience.Spoiler: Case For (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Case Against (click to show/hide)
1. That vote was intended as a pressure vote to make him talk. I wanted him to answer as soon as possible, since there was the possibility of the Day ending when FOU came back. I didn't consider him worthy of lynching at the time.ImicThe thing that goes through my mind here are noobtells versus scumtells. You're attacking a relatively new player for being more passive in their gameplay. Do you really think this means Imic is scum or are they just learning the game?notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Also, please note the highly emphasized parts in your reply to Imic. Are you trying to hint at something here? It's almost like you're trying to nudge Imic to think that Max is scummy based on his refusal to answer questions. You defend Max but then urge the new player subtly into believing that Max is indeed scummy.
Maximum SpinOr was it that you just refused to answer them because the questions seemed too vague? Then I'll rephrase them:Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
I do not intend to join the cult. I am a townie as - is, and I am perfectly happy with that.If you did want to join the cult, what do you have to do? Do you just respond to the cult message with a yes or a no?
You missed my questions.I did in fact miss those questions, although I'm not sure I would have given them a straight answer anyway. As of right now I'm not sure I have any more information of import to volunteer, no. Tomorrow... I mean, we'll see what information I have tomorrow! I can't make any promises about that, obviously.Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?Or was it that you just refused to answer them because the questions seemed too vague? Then I'll rephrase them:
Is there anything else within that "scope of information" that you haven't already mentioned and would be willing to share today (Day 1) or tomorrow (Day 2)?
Also, FOU, I think BlackHeartKabal needs to be prodded. He hasn't posted in over 3 days. Tawa might need to be prodded as well. It's nearly been 3 days for him too.Noted.
I believe Silthuri is currently voting for Imic
and Imic actually unvoted NQT, although he didn't put it in red.Missed both of those.
And lastly, Imic: Imic, how suspicious I am of you would depend entirely on how you respond to that message you should have received last night. If you continue to ignore it, especially now that you know I know about it, well, that would suggest to me that you already have other allegiances.
Hasn't participated much. Knowingly hammered Maximum Spin, and was fine with what he considered a probable mislynch. Has yet to do any actual scum hunting. Hasn't done anything after I finished questioning him. My top lynch candidate at the moment.Yes, I knowingly hammered; this was also a point where I was still high on pain meds and annoyed at everything for existing. (Doesn't excuse it, I know that.)
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )I don't necessarily have ideas towards everyone in particular.
On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
Gigagiant I think you have a very good point about maximum spin. As for my playstyle, most of my posts are done in brief periods, so I don't have much time to review my post or really read over the thread. I garuntee you I'm a townie, just one with not a lot of free time, and one who hasn't playe dmafia much in the past.Hm...alright, fair enough. Would like to see you question people a bit more often.
Why would I tell you all about a cult if I was then to join it? It'd be a dick move for one thing, telling everyone that something exists and then joining it, and since I have told everyone that there is a cult, I'm not going to join it, but if you think I will join it anyway, you're clearly mad, since it would be suicide for me at this rate. Now everyone knows there's a cult, they'll be in the lookout for it, wnd if I'm part of that, or if I ever look suspicious again, I'm dead, and so is the cult.Good reasoning, Imic. Keep this up.
Ugh, sorry for how your life is going. I know the struggle of balancing this game with real life responsibilities.Quote from: GigagiantHasn't participated much. Knowingly hammered Maximum Spin, and was fine with what he considered a probable mislynch. Has yet to do any actual scum hunting. Hasn't done anything after I finished questioning him. My top lynch candidate at the moment.Yes, I knowingly hammered; this was also a point where I was still high on pain meds and annoyed at everything for existing. (Doesn't excuse it, I know that.)
As for not doing anything, IRL has taken an unexpected turn. I have been more busy this past week that I was most of December. I had surgery a week ago (Pain Meds), and still haven't hully recovered. I have a lot of shit to do, and not alot of time to do it. Blah blah blah, don't in on a game you can't make, yadda yadda yadda.
Is that the only reason you voted him? Who do you intend to vote for now?On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
That said, I'm not sure why he didn't just come out and say this. I could be wrong in my interpretation of this quote, but he refused to comment on this, so I think it's relevant in some way.Partly because my role really is themed toward not just coming out and saying things, and partly because that's honestly my own style anyway, but also partly because it's just so great when people pick up on these little details.
Right now, I'm looking at two possible lynch candidates: Max or BHK, and, as you can see, leaning BHK. The way I see it, lynching BHK could give us tons of crucial information tonight.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.
When I put the first vote on Maximum Spin, RGUN, Tiruin, Silthuri, king, and BHK all voted after me. In my opinion, BHK was a blatant bandwagon. I feel like something is also off about RGUN's vote, and kingawsume's vote was almost certainly a suspicious bandwagon, but that's beside my point.
Now, if Max is actually mafia, then we can safely assume that if BHK is mafia, BHK wouldn't bandwagon on Max. So if we lynch BHK and find out they're scum, we can assume that Max is town. In that case, we can assume that Max is telling the truth about Imic and the cult message. If we lynch BHK and they're town, we're down a lurker.
Lastly, I have a hypothesis--a deeply grasping-at-straws hypothesis, but a hypothesis nonetheless--that BHK could be the cult leader. Their initial group of questions suggests that BHK could be third party. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) This would also explain the lurking as a ploy to keep the cult hush-hush. Again, this is pretty out there, and I don't expect it to be true--but I think it's definitely a possibility.
Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
... Am I expected to just... never vote for anyone D1?You can vote, just do it with some sort of purpose. Have an actual reason behind it. Just voting to go along with the crowd makes it look like you don't care who gets lynched.
I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.1. Why did you choose NQT?
BlackHeartKabalOn voting - It's D1. What was the reason for putting up MS, then, if not to have everyone vote him up?... Am I expected to just... never vote for anyone D1?You can vote, just do it with some sort of purpose. Have an actual reason behind it. Just voting to go along with the crowd makes it look like you don't care who gets lynched.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.1. Why did you choose NQT?
2. Did you give up your vote for Day 1? Was that vote on Maximum Spin actually meaningless?
FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
How? By mentioning that the mod didn't record my vote?FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
GigaGiant has requested a replacement.
Maybe a quickchat, or whatever scum teams still use.Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
So am I suspicious for voting him? Is NQT as both of expressed a similar idea of preventing a tie?How? By mentioning that the mod didn't record my vote?FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
You quoted me pointing out an error in the count when saying that and I'm a bit confused what that has to do with it. I'm well aware of how a scum team can coordinate, but of all the people voting for you, why are you singling me out as the coordinator?I'm not. I just have the suspected coordinator already pointed out to someone capable of handling it via my post mortem messaging ability. I'm just intent on putting everyone on the bandwagon to the wall to the best of my ability.
FoU I'm voting for BHK.D'oh.
I don't know if I can post because day ended but I never specified you. I was just commenting that the lynch looked fishy because of how fast it was.Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
So am I suspicious for voting him? Is NQT as both of expressed a similar idea of preventing a tie?
Well then. That was an interesting night.Anything to share with the rest of the class?
I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.Why Tiruin? What did it do?
Why Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
There was a BYOR a while back which had a load of roles named after branches of the Canadian government. Nothing to do with that?QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
I was roleblocked for the entire night by someone who put a bag over my head and stuffed me into a car.If someone can confirm they blocked you, we might begin to be able to work out who performed the mafiakill by process of elimination.
I tried to visit Imic.To do what?
Kwestion for Tiwuin. I was entrusted some information about your role by BHK. Not going to reveal the name as it hints strongly at rolepowers, but it begins with the letter H (or, X, in a sense). Get it right?Strangely, I also got that too. He knows what I am and I am happy about what he did. :B
oh my god why.QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
I love you.There was a BYOR a while back which had a load of roles named after branches of the Canadian government. Nothing to do with that?QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?So the hilarity ensues thing is different hum :vc
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
Oh also for clarity, you're getting it NQT :V It is...fake. What I mean in writing is 'the hilarity ensues seems different because I didn't get what I had gotten from what I presume y'all are talking about there'.So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?So the hilarity ensues thing is different hum :vc
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
I know because mine isn't what you gave me :I
Did everyone get a day action?No.
Yo, Maxy! Since it's the second day--how will you hunt scum?Did everyone get a day action?No.
Yo, Maxy! Since it's the second day--how will you hunt scum?Watching. Waiting. Whistling.
You creep over to Maximum Spin's house.
They flash blue, then purple. Well, that's interesting, and is giving you a bloody headache.
...
You learn that Maximum Spin is third party, and cult.
Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
I claim detective. Maximum Spin, you're a filthy cultist:I guess I was right when I suspected that Max was the cultist.QuoteYou creep over to Maximum Spin's house.
They flash blue, then purple. Well, that's interesting, and is giving you a bloody headache.
...
You learn that Maximum Spin is third party, and cult.Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
PfpMaybe since he was out of the game I had to visit someone else, but ended randomly visiting me?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
PfpThanks, although I didn't get to use my role detection thingumajig.
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
I'm not a cultist. However, I did know that I would alignment-inspect as cult. :(You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!Need-to-know basis! I was just trying to play my role straight, okay.
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.I still have the same reasons from before + your report, which only confirms my reasons. I would probably still have voted for him, report or no report. I did keep my vote on him from most of day 1 and only changed it to secure the lynch (which was a mistake, but it was still better to a tie).
I'm not a cultist. However, I did know that I would alignment-inspect as cult. :(You never mentioned this? :V Or am I forgetting?
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
Huh, okay? BHK suggested you as someone of significance to me though. Although his purpose was...seemingly personal instead, rather than anything mechanical. >_>Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
PfpYou strangely misspelled 'jail' :P (ok how does 'kidnap' differ from the Jailer role/ability?)
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
I guess I was right when I suspected that Max was the cultist.MUCH LIKE MY MANY QUERIES, THIS ONE GOES UNANSWERED.
Macimum Spin. We should have lynched him yesterday.
This isn't how the mechanic works in any game. :P Even if the player is absent, but the player slot is open for replacement or not-being-killed-by-the-GM, any targets targeting this player/slot will target that and anything else is an external influence in game.PfpMaybe since he was out of the game I had to visit someone else, but ended randomly visiting me?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
You could do the same by claiming though :-\ People who are millers, do that. But scum can do that too--but usually the earlier you claim, the better, because contextually, that gives a lot of time for people who have powers to do stuff with it for verification and, as an implication, forwards your wincondition rather than allowing it to be silent and then letting the daygame heat or suspicion be the one to bias targets (or otherwise, like random targeting or targeting on a whim) to hit you.You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!Need-to-know basis! I was just trying to play my role straight, okay.
I forgot to bold my vote.Yo, I just discovered, for my Hilarity Ensues. It is a FAKE action for me (meaning whoever receives the spud will not be affected by its power, and perhaps its 'this statement is false' statement is only meant for me because it has the 'fake' label on it appended, much like merchandise and 'this side fragile' boxes), and it is only a free action for the receiver but not for me.
Maximum Spin
Also going to put my trope vote on Time Master because I love time shenanigans.
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
My Hilarity Ensues is a day action that gives something. Did everyone get a day action?Kinda, it's on auto, and mine actually sucks, especally for my role; all action require a cycle to take effect (eg. a night ability used on n3 not actually happening until n4, or day ability d2 not happening until d3, ect.)
EBWOP: Also, hey I was right, Maximum Spin, for sus yesterday and cult detect today.Are you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?
I'll Shiny Yellow Rocks, maybe it'll counteract my detrimental trope ability.
OTHER than him, who else do YOU suspect?juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
Because I already suspected that Maximum Spin was a cultist, and your confirmation was really all I needed to vote him. You don't appear to be fakeclaiming, so I think it's a safe bet to go ahead and lynch him.
Are you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?Oh shit, there's already 4 votes. I flinched (I guess you could call it that) voted, after the callout and what I read as a cultist confirm for the man himself. I'll Unvote myself. Day's end I'll revote.
So out of all 'shifty guys', you picked the guy who voted with conviction in his singular posts, was already consistently claiming to have hammered (but then FoU got sick so :V), and saw BHK's actions as 'bandwagoning'.Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
Uhh, 'confirm for the man'? ._.Quote from: TirunAre you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?Oh shit, there's already 4 votes. I flinched (I guess you could call it that) voted, after the callout and what I read as a cultist confirm for the man himself. I'll Unvote myself. Day's end I'll revote.
I am not a cult leader. Why would I mention that one existed, and that I was contected by it, and asked if I wanted to join, if I was the leader? It'd be stupid.Yes I mean Max confirmed it. It'd be weird, at least for me, and extremely risky, for a cultist or cult leader to out and confirm someone else on what sounds like wholly unconventional abilities. :P
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
Because I already suspected that Maximum Spin was a cultist, and your confirmation was really all I needed to vote him. You don't appear to be fakeclaiming, so I think it's a safe bet to go ahead and lynch him.
Correct me if my tired mind is wrong, but are you saying that you think I targeted you N0? Because I didn't. If you were kidnapped, it wasn't me.
Uhh, 'confirm for the man'? ._.PFP'd, must not've checked my spelling. The line was supposed to be "from the man himself."
TiruinAhh, nope >_> I understand that it isn't you then. I mean I thought so, because the roleblock was flavored as a kidnapping (chloroform stuff).Correct me if my tired mind is wrong, but are you saying that you think I targeted you N0? Because I didn't. If you were kidnapped, it wasn't me.
Apologies for not bolding your name to highlight importance, but i require clarification on this.
...Why ain't people voting Boring but Practical?I think Boring is probably the way to go.
Everyone: Thoughts or votes on the tropes as of now?
Everyone, especially those who SHIFT VOTED) WHY THE HECK DID PEOPLE JUMP ONTO BHK?!I just did because the votes on Maximum Spin and BHK had similar numbers and I was worried that a tie could happen. Since everyone was already going to vote BHK, I took my vote off Maximum to avoid the tie and have the lynch. As I have said before, it's way better to lynch, get information from the flips and from who voted and who didn't instead of just abstaining and giving mafia a free night to kill. The lynch is the main weapon of town and it's better to have a chance to kill a mafia than no chance at all.
RGU, I might have missed it, but how did you know you'd been redirected to yourself?I got a PM with the results of my night action and it said something like: "You were randomized to yourself". Then I learned that I visited myself. ::)
FoU can you put this information in public please?I'm not sure what information you mean, but day ends 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday, and the day's communal extension has not been used. Everyone still has their personal extension.
Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
So now you also claim a revival auto you forgot to mention before to try to avoid being lynched? Seems awfully conventient, just like that other part of your role that makes you show up as cult in investigations.Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
So now you also claim a revival auto you forgot to mention before to try to avoid being lynched? Seems awfully conventient, just like that other part of your role that makes you show up as cult in investigations....I... no? I just got it this night. When would I have mentioned it before to forget?
I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
That is because I am cthulhu.
Query: Would you have claimed that align-inspect later on even if not caught in the act? Why?But given what he said D1 (theme of playing his role straight), I'm curious on another part.
So N1 and N0, you did nothing?Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
Probably not until someone tripped it, no. Wouldn't fit my role. Also I didn't even see that question.QuoteQuery: Would you have claimed that align-inspect later on even if not caught in the act? Why?
So N1 and N0, you did nothing?Nope
Also a revive isn't 'cool'?Nah. It's more, though, that an auto isn't 'cool' because it doesn't give me anything to do. It may be useful, but it doesn't alter gameplay for me, so it's basically a nonthing.
Do you have suspects or other ideas to give out? Because if you have an "admittedly useful revival auto", it hurts the Town if you get lynched. That is, if you're Town. :vFollow the activity patterns!
I can believe Max has a revive. Explains why they're being cool as a cucumber when they're about to be lynched.This confirms his cult status even more than before, so we really need to lynch him.
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection would be if they were given a weakness for submitting two tropes. However:I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
Their role is Cthulhu:I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.That is because I am cthulhu.
Cthulhu has cultists.
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection[...]Cthulhu has cultists.But is Cthulhu a cultist? Is Cthulhu in a cult? I don't recall that in any of the stories.
But is Cthulhu a cultist? Is Cthulhu in a cult? I don't recall that in any of the stories.No, but Cthulhu has cultists and you were inspected as a cultist. I don't necessarily expect mechanics and flavour to sync entirely here.
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection would be if they were given a weakness for submitting two tropes.Players may receive weaknesses even if they submit only one trope.
But if this cult works as I think it does, then cultists die with their cult leader, right?Can confidently promise it does not! :D
MoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Requesting a vote count please.WatMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
juicebox
If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
So everyone else: who's your #2 pick for scum today? Mine is Moony, as I have good reason to believe they killed me last night.I'm looking at Moony's interactions, and at the start he's all 'ok what do .-.;' which seems believable...
Requesting a vote count please.But fun stuff. In all my Mafia game knowledge--a replacement ONLY replaces in on Mod confirmation. Moony seemed to replace after the night, validating his note on you :vMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
(0) *Maximum Spin -- pretty much got cultist'd by Tawa. Claimed he's a lie detector [of which I still have no idea on what that does, since nobody detailed anything]; claimed he has scummy suspects; claimed many things indirectly. :P Claimed he has an auto revive; claimed to be miller-cultist.
(0) *notquitethere -- got BHK'd like me, and given BHK's details (he PM'd me too), I'm willing to believe more in his town-sidedness given how he's been acting all this game.
(0) *kingawsume -- same with RGU, must read up more on. I recall he's connected with several people by interaction though, before.
(0) *Tiruin -- Hi I'm Tiruin.
(0) *Silthuri -- She kidnapped Imic last night; noting that there were 2 kills last night and one is from Gigla, Gigla got boop'd on the nose. This makes Imic seem more town-sided because he got 'cult talked'. I've no idea if Mafia can be cult-converted as this is a BYOR game. Unless they're tied together or whatever, she's confirming non-cult.
(0) *randomgenericusername -- he hilarity'd me. leaning neutral till I read more.
(0) *MoonyTheHuman -- Was GigaGiant, I looked nicely upon GigaGiant before.
(0) *Tawa -- Claimed Detective (...Cop sounds a lot better :v) on Maximum Spin, D2. Really willing to believe he's town, or he's driving a hard bargain at this point. Or is cult leader. :V
(0) *juicebox -- He's my #2 after Maximum, as an answer to NQT's query. Seems to have3four posts because I got PPE'd, and all seem to not be proactive? 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669691#msg7669691); 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669880#msg7669880); 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669977#msg7669977); 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7671095#msg7671095)
(0) *Imic -- See: Silthuri.
I dunno, hilarity ensues doesn't seem to have done much, I don't think Boring but Practical is going to swing the game much in anybody's favor.I'd like to know basically everything you got to help your team :P You're pretty much on the chopping block here, Max. :-\ But I digress.If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
Yes Max, please elaborate. I'd like to know what your theory is before possibly getting lynched over it
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
The rocks may be useless, but that means they're safe.
« Last Edit: Today at 09:15:36 am by MoonyTheHuman »Ayyy :v
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.Trope-sided-faction-stuff isn't what I'm predicting y'know. :P Because that's pretty weird to assume.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
The rocks may be useless, but that means they're safe.Quote« Last Edit: Today at 09:15:36 am by MoonyTheHuman »Ayyy :v
Be glad I nearly forgot that I was posting from 2 tabs with this one saving your ORIGINAL POST here.I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.Trope-sided-faction-stuff isn't what I'm predicting y'know. :P Because that's pretty weird to assume.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
I mean how can that be practical 'for the Mafia' in anycase? Town > Mafia, always. If otherwise, game = lost.
Also now with that edit, I'm finding that idea being persuasive, although I find that the earlier it is unleashed, the better. We're facing BOTH cult and Mafia here. V:
We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
This is a BYOR, I'm extremely worried that we're going to have to kill half the players off if the town's to win, since I would not be surprised if a lot of people took up third party roles, if not actually mafia ones.We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
Hum! :vcThis is a BYOR, I'm extremely worried that we're going to have to kill half the players off if the town's to win, since I would not be surprised if a lot of people took up third party roles, if not actually mafia ones.We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
I'm just paranoid since this is a BYOR.I don't blame Imic for being paranoid. I'm just as paranoid as him (if not more), due to this being my first ever BYOR game.
FallacyOfUrist: Does the role submission before anything affect anything? Like, for example--I was to not necessarily submit 'vigilante', but 'hitman', would that have affected anything on your part in determining other role characteristics such as abilities or alignment?Base alignment(town, mafia, third party) is determined at random, and in the event of third party, specific type(cult, outsider, serial killer, doomsayer, gourmet chef, watcher, lyncher, etc) is determined based on role name.
I'm not going to vote, since I don't want to be held accountable for anything that happens next.This is ominous. What's going to happen next?
Comedy, people.
So everyone else: who's your #2 pick for scum today? Mine is Moony, as I have good reason to believe they killed me last night.I'm looking at Moony's interactions, and at the start he's all 'ok what do .-.;' which seems believable...Requesting a vote count please.But fun stuff. In all my Mafia game knowledge--a replacement ONLY replaces in on Mod confirmation. Moony seemed to replace after the night, validating his note on you :vMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Now what's this vilteam you speak of?
And how can someone NOT INTEND to kill a guy when they explicitly PM the mod, "KILL {THIS NAME HERE}" or something :VI would say my second pick is RGU because he made me Canadian until I learned it was part of Hilarity Ensues and people got a laugh out of it I bet :v
But in all seriousness, I've got town-leaning reads on RGU and Tawa, king and the rest I'll detail tomorrow if I can (hallo 13 hour busyday :v), since day ends in my Saturday anyway.Quote from: With memory that there is a cult in game, it isn't the binary town/scum slider of scumminess/leaningness now(0) *Maximum Spin -- pretty much got cultist'd by Tawa. Claimed he's a lie detector [of which I still have no idea on what that does, since nobody detailed anything]; claimed he has scummy suspects; claimed many things indirectly. :P Claimed he has an auto revive; claimed to be miller-cultist.
(0) *notquitethere -- got BHK'd like me, and given BHK's details (he PM'd me too), I'm willing to believe more in his town-sidedness given how he's been acting all this game.
(0) *kingawsume -- same with RGU, must read up more on. I recall he's connected with several people by interaction though, before.
(0) *Tiruin -- Hi I'm Tiruin.
(0) *Silthuri -- She kidnapped Imic last night; noting that there were 2 kills last night and one is from Gigla, Gigla got boop'd on the nose. This makes Imic seem more town-sided because he got 'cult talked'. I've no idea if Mafia can be cult-converted as this is a BYOR game. Unless they're tied together or whatever, she's confirming non-cult.
(0) *randomgenericusername -- he hilarity'd me. leaning neutral till I read more.
(0) *MoonyTheHuman -- Was GigaGiant, I looked nicely upon GigaGiant before.
(0) *Tawa -- Claimed Detective (...Cop sounds a lot better :v) on Maximum Spin, D2. Really willing to believe he's town, or he's driving a hard bargain at this point. Or is cult leader. :V
(0) *juicebox -- He's my #2 after Maximum, as an answer to NQT's query. Seems to have3four posts because I got PPE'd, and all seem to not be proactive? 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669691#msg7669691); 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669880#msg7669880); 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669977#msg7669977); 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7671095#msg7671095)
(0) *Imic -- See: Silthuri.
juicebox: Before Tawa's post (leading to your first post)--did you have ANYONE in mind or what your first post would've been?
I didn't check the forum before Tawa's first post, but I guess I would have grilled either Imic or RGU, since they were the most suspicious to me looking back on Day 1.Is it wrong if I ask why? I kinda want to know why I'm so suspicious. I'm clueless.
I'll agree to hammer Max. He really hasn't offered any other alternatives, beside us (appearently) wasting the lynch on somebody with auto revive (I call bs.) This also brings Day 2 to an end, if I'm counting correctly.Stop. Hammertime. I think.
Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).I am thoroughly confused -.-
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
PfpDo you have anything to tell us, @Silthuri?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
RIP, at least king wasn't attacked. I was busy defending him. You know what. I've done the risk calculation, and it will be worth it. (i hope. i really really hope.)PFP because 4am and sleepy as bluhgh.
This is my role:
I am a Doctor, who aligns with Town. (But i can help someone who i shouldn't have helped by mistake if i'm not careful with who I pick.)
I can perform the following abilities at night:
Trauma Surgery: I protect my target from one kill.
Extreme CPR: IF, and only if, my target is killed, i protect them from that kill and all further kills that night, making them invincible for the night unless overridden (By an unknown force). If they are not killed, I kill them.
I have no Day abilites, and no passive abilities.
This will be risky, but i think it should be worth it.
PfpUm ._. how am I involved here? Sleepy brain here. Will recongifure self toromrw
Yeah, Tawa. I block people and assuming you and Tiru and I tell the truth, we have two kidnappers.
By the way, I did kidnap moony last night because of the possible kill and I don't trust them enough to let that go unattended.
I am thoroughly confused -.-To answer your questions:
The blue part means 'only this auto shows when you die alongside your (true?) alignment'. Otherwise all information is only learned 'firsthand', meaning via abilities. Max will always be Town, meaning if revived or whatever--HOWEVER this doesn't mean he cannot be cult converted (or...maybe he can't because of that auto innate).
"Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia"
"You alignment inspect as cult"
How the heck are those even possible?!
AND there's a 'cult chat'??
That's one buffed up role there.
FoU: Is it possible for there to be a 'fake' ability in a person's ability list in their role?
Speaking of Tawa, he's asked for a replacement.Some day we will all be replacementos.
I think I'll vote for Star-Crossed Lovers (Star-Crossed Lovers?)Both colors are fine.
NotquiteThere, I've got GigaGiant's reasoning (thanks fallacy). If you want to hear the details, just ask and I'll summarize it for you. In essence, GigaGiant had reason to believe you would be such targeted that night, so he used Extreme CPR to attempt to protect you. However that (was, Mr plan killer :P) is still a winwin, because if you were not attacked, you were likely scum. In our situation, you weren't attacked.I've got a big post for later but what in the world did this reasoning even come from?
Note that the details may be a little sensitive, so it's up to you.
I didn't say GigaGiant (Really, if I did, give me a link) outright used a kill. I said he used Extreme CPR, which can kill, but makes someone invulnerable for the night if someone else tries to kill them. Maybe it was intentional, but I dunno GigaGiant's goal.Y'know I'm seeing a better option :vc
Trauma Surgery: I protect my target from one kill.It's somewhere other than Extreme CPR...
Extreme CPR: IF, and only if, my target is killed, i protect them from that kill and all further kills that night, making them invincible for the night unless overridden (By an unknown force). If they are not killed, I kill them.
Right now, I'm looking at two possible lynch candidates: Max or BHK, and, as you can see, leaning BHK. The way I see it, lynching BHK could give us tons of crucial information tonight.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.
When I put the first vote on Maximum Spin, RGUN, Tiruin, Silthuri, king, and BHK all voted after me. In my opinion, BHK was a blatant bandwagon. I feel like something is also off about RGUN's vote, and kingawsume's vote was almost certainly a suspicious bandwagon, but that's beside my point.
Now, if Max is actually mafia, then we can safely assume that if BHK is mafia, BHK wouldn't bandwagon on Max. So if we lynch BHK and find out they're scum, we can assume that Max is town. In that case, we can assume that Max is telling the truth about Imic and the cult message. If we lynch BHK and they're town, we're down a lurker.
Lastly, I have a hypothesis--a deeply grasping-at-straws hypothesis, but a hypothesis nonetheless--that BHK could be the cult leader. Their initial group of questions suggests that BHK could be third party. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) This would also explain the lurking as a ploy to keep the cult hush-hush. Again, this is pretty out there, and I don't expect it to be true--but I think it's definitely a possibility.
NotQuiteThere Give us the message please.
I was entrusted some information about your role by BHK. Not going to reveal the name as it hints strongly at rolepowers, but it begins with the letter H (or, X, in a sense). Get it right?
My non-shotted action was messed with. Oh well.How so?
Well, I can confirm that Moony was not a valid target last night. It only took an extra night (damn Hilarity Ensues), but I was "Unable to find my target."What were you doing to Moony?
Meaning, yes, he was jailed, but with flavor text.
Eeep!Oi D:<
*rereads, realised it's public info like a idiot*...so you decided to KILL HIM?!
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Here we go, a full explanation:
Since NQT received investigation results from BlachHeartKabal, GigaGiant believed the chance suck would try to kill him so he couldn't just it was high, so he decided to do Extreme CPR, which has a win-win (mostly) situation: either NAT is protected from all kills and can be considered towny, or he gets killed and is likely revealed scum. He believed it would be highly unlikely another killing townie would target NQT and ruin the attempt, which either that or a role related ability happened.
I DON'T KNOWwut?
I got a message saying there was a cult, I, naturally, assumed that was bad, aso I told everyone.
But, it turns out the cult was actually good, and me telling everyone killed it! I screwed up! We need the next person we lynch to be scum, or at least third - party, sice we cannot afford to lose another townie!
*rereads, realised it's public info like a idiot*wait. "Investigation", specifically? BHI didn't PM you. Or are you GUESSING @_@
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Here we go, a full explanation:
Since NQT received investigation results from BlachHeartKabal,
Okay, I am assuming slightly, but he came up as cult, he got to start a cult, etc etc etc, so I'm just going off this. Yes, I do feel guilty about that...."he got to start a cult"?
I DON'T KNOWCult is a third party who usually cannot win with either MAFIA or Town.
I got a message saying there was a cult, I, naturally, assumed that was bad, aso I told everyone.
But, it turns out the cult was actually good, and me telling everyone killed it! I screwed up! We need the next person we lynch to be scum, or at least third - party, sice we cannot afford to lose another townie!
Yes, but this was a town allied cthulu cult. That's my point.:v
RGUMy non-shotted action was messed with. Oh well.How so?
TiruinPlease stop editing your posts because I think it's against the rules.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
It's not against the rules, I just checked.TiruinPlease stop editing your posts because I think it's against the rules.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
Basic mafia rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) are in effect.
Mafia's occurring here on the forum have some hitherto unspoken rules which are often not mentioned, but everyone adheres to. These include:
-Never editing one's post.
-Never directly quote any private communication from the mod, including your role PM.
-Talking to other players after you've been killed.
It is against the rules, Moony.I'll go ahead and confirm that.
RIP, Overlooked that. Got it. Sorry Fallacy.So!
Eeep!
« Reply #383 on: January 24, 2018, 11:30:00 pm »What was this?
Eeep!
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TiruinScumhunt? I believe your protects would help Silthuri a lot here.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
I was not unducted into the cult. I thought it was third party. I only realised it was Town when Max was lynched. He was being very obtuse about it, though, and he probably could have helped himself if he wasn't. I am panicking because a town allied cult would have been extremely good for town, since we would actually know who was trustworthy, but now, that's gone. That's why I'm panicky.CULT is anti town by nature.
Apparently somebody blocked my ability last night. I was unable to perform my action. At least no-one actually died.Oh, also, your protects are x-shotted or...?
However, it was noted as a kidnapping... I wonder if it might have been some sort of role check.
Uh, sorry Tiruin, but that reasoning is for NQT to ask for. The reasoning is based off of a bunch of sensitive hints.
Silthuri, what's your best guess on what happened in the night given the lack of kills?I'm really not sure to be honest. I have a several theories. I'm sort of assuming that the scum can't both kill with the faction kill and use their own actions at the same time and thus may have decided to use non-lethal actions last night over their kill. Or perhaps we don't face a mafia, but possibly a not-so-town cult and we just had another trigger-happy comrade yesterday?
I'll see if Silthuri wants it.I think I'll be just fine, but do what you will.
Silthuri, you want a night protect?
Also where is Tawa?Tawa requested a replacement, fwiend.
What were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Sorry for not posting sooner, haven't time or cell signal at school.What, you got delayed by lawyers too?
NQTQuoteWhat were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Fukit, I'll go Worthless Yellow Rocks. What's the worst that could happen?
I do not have any randomizer. I spent last night preparing an ability, and the night before abducted. Whatever happened to you must have happened because someone deliberately targeted you with a randomizer, wince there's nothing I could possibly have done to cause that.
PfpAll I know is that whoever randomized me, didn't visit me. I watched myself visit me and no one else visited me during that night.I do not have any randomizer. I spent last night preparing an ability, and the night before abducted. Whatever happened to you must have happened because someone deliberately targeted you with a randomizer, wince there's nothing I could possibly have done to cause that.
Just in case this is directed at what I said, I'm not accusing you of having any sort of randomizer ability. I don't fully believe RGN's claim. If you did have a randomize power, it would have affected me and I was specifically told in my PM that I successfully abducted you. And you being out of the game means you can't use abilities. My issue isn't if you randomized anyone, but whether he was randomized at all and if so by whom.
Yup, except mine is constant. EVERY action, be it night or day, is delayed by one cycle. Also, I'll have to reread the ability; I think I'm the person giving everyone lawyers.Sorry for not posting sooner, haven't time or cell signal at school.What, you got delayed by lawyers too?
NQTQuoteWhat were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Fukit, I'll go Worthless Yellow Rocks. What's the worst that could happen?
Juicebox[/b], nice reads list, but do you have any cases?
Not really, although I hope to have at least one after I follow up on some of my reads
Currently, I think Imic because of all of this odd cult problem which ended with lynching a town cult and maybe a little bit on Moony (but it's probably just because of editing posts).Quote from: notquitethere link=topic=168550.msg7676637#msg7676637 date=1516868303
[bJuicebox[/b], nice reads list, but do you have any cases?
Not really, although I hope to have at least one after I follow up on some of my reads
RGU: Who are your top suspects and why?
Moony: same as RGU
Honestly, i haven't done much analysis, so no top here. I need more information.I'll admit I haven't done a lot of analysis either.
Silthuri: What's the reasoning behind why you picked who you picked? And can you please summarize what had occurred?
Tiruin popped her extend a bit ago Fallacy.I'm fairly sure she said "use it if the day's ending today" on Thursday... but she said "Friday my time", so I'll go ahead and apply it, which I should have done in the first place. If she wants to retcon this due to a misunderstanding, I'm fine with that, though.
Fallacy, give us an extension please. I'll use mine (I need more time personally anyways)
Honestly, i haven't done much analysis, so no top here. I need more information.
RGU: So do you think that there's still a cult in the game, or do you believe Imic's claim of a town allied cult?I feel there might be a third party cult to counter the town sided cult. Otherwise, Cthulhu might have been overpowered for town if used correctly. I think.
MoonyWhy? The only way for town to win is by lynching. If there is a tie, there is no lynch. If we lynch there is at least a chance that we hit scum. Better than 0% because a townie will still die because of the mafia kill.
Last minute trying to tie the vote?
Okay, I reread some stuff and I think I'm going to have to vote Imic.
Moony
Last minute trying to tie the vote?
I miscounted. Whoooooops. Uh, sorry for that.my niceness should not be a factor of determining your chooce. This is why you dayhunt or scumhunt. So you have a credible set of people to lean towards. I can be nice...whilr stabbing your butt :I because I'm scum. Those situations should also be put in mind
Uh, I vote for Tiruin to be the Clock King because I think Tiruin is nice and I don't know who else to vote for.
Ugh, this is my fault because I was tired and pfp and didn't read carefully.
I mean v: everyone here is nice. Like Silthuri. Before she stabbed me in the sword last game as scum dark god priest. :P
you get top slot then aboven Tawa (because it'd help if he posted T_T)
I mean v: everyone here is nice. Like Silthuri. Before she stabbed me in the sword last game as scum dark god priest. :P
Sowwy!
Also wild gurl is oddly fitting. Your phone might be psychic.
Might I request being higher on the list as I block? Granted I go before my intended target in your list, but I just wanna be sure I get my abduct off. Unless you don't trust me with it anymore. I assume the abduct is what you want to boop me about?
Also pfp.
Well, mafia's won at this point.Are you going to continue giving cryptic or passive messages or are you going to do something about the situation? Because some of us have more notes than the others, other than commentary. <_> Because you're a player in the game; not a spectator, or observer. YOU have the ability to influence the game. I don't know WHY you even bother to say 'well this side wins at this point' other than to generate some kind of reaction, but if it's just commentary it is BASELESS if the game IS STILL BLOODY RUNNING. If that is a quip AT ME who only has two darn votes for 'clock king', you've to follow up on that, because all you've been doing (in public in my eyes anyway) is panic and not push a case on anyone else this whole game.
SilthuriIf you've anything to say regarding your abilities or your half claims (DO NOT FULL CLAIM UNLESS ULTIMATELY NEEDED), mention it now. If nothing else to say, either vote for who is clock king (somehow in red? O_o), or vote in Orange because if I am Clock King, I do mention I will use my kill tonight. There's also a reason I'm mentioning in public that I can kill (y'know, other than the extremely obvious 'hitman' mention by NQT back there), and I am leaning onto the last 4 folks in there to commit that kill on.
Tawa
Moony
Tiruin
NQT
RGU
Juicebox
Imic
Kingawsume
Might I request being higher on the list as I block? Granted I go before my intended target in your list, but I just wanna be sure I get my abduct off. Unless you don't trust me with it anymore. I assume the abduct is what you want to boop me about?If your abduct is what I guess it is, you're not the person who roleblocked me N0. :v BHK acted on me that night--he got his investigate results (and I have a nice PM from him on it post-D1), so it wasn't from him in what I assume as flavor.
Also pfp.
FOU: can you clarify that HILARITU ability?Just because he had it, doesn't mean he used it.
Use personal extension, or if better--vote extend for communal extension.Personal extension's used(unless I misinterpreted what you said earlier), but as this is still part of the day...
Tiru. Also, feel free to keep me in the bottom slot; because flavor text, the only thing happening from me is telling everyone they lost the game.Just because I pretty much said I'll kill someone doesn't make it easier for me to decide when I'm getting things like these.
I was making a random comment because I don't have enough time o analyze things properly.It needn't be...that kind of comment. >_> I'm not touching your personal agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_%28philosophy%29) that way, but please know that doing such things in forum mafia games tends to either cause other people to engage with it, or ignore it (and perhaps feed or reinforce impressions).
Ok so for clarification:FOU: can you clarify that HILARITU ability?Just because he had it, doesn't mean he used it.
bah. Tiruin rants are fun reads. IAMA Ghost! Ask me Anything (not).Can you please participate as if you're part of the everything rather than as an observer? :P Proactivity creates experience.
Moony is rather dead right now. He has deadchat and everything!So 8/8.
Time to trawl and read up on everything on the lower 4. :vQuote from: List of folks to act if I'm Clock KingSilthuri
Tawa
Tiruin
NQT
RGU
Juicebox
Imic
Kingawsume
I forgot to make an action last night. Fallacy, I would like to request a replacement. I don't have enough time for this, and I probably shouldn' have joined in the first place.You okay? :-\
I really haven't been playing this properly, and most of it is due to exam stress. That's more or less it. I don't have enough time between studying to properly play, and I actually forgot to make a pn action last night.Hope you're okay there :-\
So who did that thing about the 'you've lost the game'? Because that's someone's Hilarity Ensues as far as I bet it is, and something I cannot understand because it references some kind of meme or whatever about 'YOU LST THE GAME' about not thinking about the game or whatever -.-Got this too
Rockeater: Welcome to Bay12 and the game! What did Tawa do for the past nights, and what did you do last night? What's the reasoning on why you targeted who you targeted?
PPE 2x
Woah wait why are you 'giving medicine' to me when you could've investigated someone?
I really haven't been playing this properly, and most of it is due to exam stress. That's more or less it. I don't have enough time between studying to properly play, and I actually forgot to make a pn action last night.Good luck at that test
Tiruin-Did you try to shoot Imic last night and why?It was partially as a mercy shot because Imic hasn't...err, been that proactive in day hunting and has mentioned issues--emotionally. His mention of the cult could be a major TOWN note though, because direct MAFIA members cannot be converted, asked to be converted, or even touched with conversion (any allies or third parties are much like Town though; they are fully susceptible to conversion). Although that's in the vanilla game because FoU does weird stuff in his games <_>
NQT-What you did and what happened last night?That grammar. :P
Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.We all did. :P 8 people as recipients. I commented on it as my first post.
PfpSo because my ability failed you also block me? Rude >:(
I blocked RGN last night because I've been suspicious of them for a while. I'm still thrown off by the randomize thing and at this point I'm not entirely sure if I'm overthinking it or not.
Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.
And best of luck on exams Imic!
You did, where?Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.We all did. :P 8 people as recipients. I commented on it as my first post.
PFP reading back through thread.
I forgot to make an action last night. Fallacy, I would like to request a replacement. I don't have enough time for this, and I probably shouldn' have joined in the first place.
Also woah, the Clock King becomes a daily thing?Well... huh. Seeing as Clock King's still in effect until the end of the day, the players still need to elect a Clock King.
I already claimed investigator like on day 1, I assumed scum was the one messing with my ability all these days, but now you also decide to block me?RGU: Can you recap on all this for us all? Sounds like everyone else is either busy, or lost in what to do.
Am I the only one who finds this suspicious?
FoS Silthuri
RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
Cute dumbtell, but I don't buy it.I didn't knew that. What if the mafia with the kill dies, then? They become unable to win?
You know as well as I do that the mafiakill is an ability in these games.
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Tiruin, I targeted Silthuri to check whether there was any funny business going on with this kidnapping.
RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
I am prrety sure RGU have investigate role,I will explain tomorrow.
Fallacy when the day end?
I already claimed investigator like on day 1
If you didnt think it would be blocked, why did you not push any case on anyone the previous days?RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
I am prrety sure RGU have investigate role,I will explain tomorrow."tomorrow"
Fallacy when the day end?
I'll put my results here.removed from the game?
N0 Used watch on Maximum Spin: Visited by no one but me.
N1 Used watch on Imic: Randomized to myself: Visited by no one but me.
N2: Used watch on NQT: Delayed by lawyers
N3: Used watch on Tawa: Removed from game, NQT visited by no one but me.
Its like that here--instead aof a vote though, you can volunteer who to kill. Easily checked by looking at any past game's scumchat.RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
PFPLinks when you can.
Sorry it was 11pm when I said that.
The evidence:It might be a bad one but he did claimed to be randomized to himself before the lynch of Max and this ability showing up on his flip
I'll think it would be better to wait until FoU becomes online and processes my action. I don't know what happened yet.I don't know how to get the results of the lynch from D2 here so I will quote them separately.
Also, during the night I was randomized to myself. For some reason I also learned that no one visited me (other than me).
I tried to visit Imic. Now I'm wondering how did I get randomized if no one visited me.
I think Imic might have had an ability that randomizes whoever visits him. How did he get roleblocked? Nothig of this makes sense.
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Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
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Fallacy when the day end?Wednesday, 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time.
So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?RGU: This was your first post of D2. What phase was your H.E. ability usable by?
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
FoU: Is the FACTIONAL Mafiakill a 'non-shotted' power?The factional mafiakill has no shot restrictions. Individual mafia players may have shotted (Mafiakill) abilities, however.
Imic instead. He's also another Silthuri-grab, other than RGU. To note that he was blocked on a night where non-shotted powers are unblockable...And in a way, the worry...and commentary, can (cynically) feel like overpanicking in big generalizations. <_>Of course, Imic asked for a replacement, so...
Of course, Imic asked for a replacement, so...Yeah :-\ I'm still looking up for stuff but voting him in the meantime, aware that he may not offer a defense on his behalf--to the others (and not to the GM here), I asked that question because in that time of NON-SHOT POWER OVERWHELMING[/starcraft], I figured the possibility of such occurring. Seems like the Mafia used an x-shot at the time then.
I don't understand this questionIf you didnt think it would be blocked, why did you not push any case on anyone the previous days?RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
What did you actually think about what happened in the past?
I was the one removes. I said I was kidnapped at day start. I don't understand the rockeater part.I'll put my results here.removed from the game?
N0 Used watch on Maximum Spin: Visited by no one but me.
N1 Used watch on Imic: Randomized to myself: Visited by no one but me.
N2: Used watch on NQT: Delayed by lawyers
N3: Used watch on Tawa: (I was) Removed from game, NQT visited by no one but me.
RGU; I saw Sil before and can confirm the wording of her ability--if you say TAWA OR ROCKEATER was "removed from the same", it is a roleblocker. Or at least thats what I recall about that.
You tried to visit Rockeater there and noticed they were removed from the game?
Explicit or implicit evidence that there are folks not telling what is.
Missed this. I guess that explains why I was randomized that night....
Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
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Y'all still need a replacement?Talk to the GM
Y'all still need a replacement?Yes.
Y'all still need a replacement?Congrats, you're Imic now. I'll send you his data.
Moonlit Shadow, spill the beans on this cult stuff the Imic poorly explained.I feel like Imic might have poorly explained the cult stuff because he knew it was a town cult and wanted people to think that it was actually third party so we would lynch Maximum instead.
The almost complete lack of kills definitely leaves open the possibility of a cult mafia team. (Which would also explain why a scum RGU didn't know how the mafia kill would work.)
Reminder this is my first game.And you're doing good, if I've to insert OOC as a player--the same goes to the OTHER newbies here :)
Ight, I've skimmed through what's happened. So... Cult is still around, and didn't die with Cthulhu, as I got another request to join last night.God. Imic. Your panicking. I thought it was innocent but is this why you went with ultimatums and said "OH GODS NO MORE TOWNIES SHOULD BE LYNCHED" >_>
Oh and apparently I've lost too. Not the Mafia game, though. The one where I don't think about the Game.I'm betting, and have done so since we ALL GOT IT (THIS SHOULD BE NOTED BUT AUGH), since my first post, that this is a Hilarity Ensues thing, and probably either a fakery-for-fun thing, or something that totally means 'this shouldn't be said in the day else something something', but in looking at my own Hilarity Ensues thingy, it's usually fake :v I bet.
Ight, I've skimmed through what's happened. So... Cult is still around, and didn't die with Cthulhu, as I got another request to join last night.[...]Can we get a full list of Imic/your actions?
Cult is vague. Whispers in the night to join is all I know, outside of possible Cthulhu interactions. It's pretty mysterious, apparently.
Essentially, summarizing, Jump the Shark
NQT: I finally get what you're doing there, like 'umpf really also sorry but really' in the degree of 'I'm looking at you'. :v but I'm curious--who else do you suspect?
Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?
Rockeater: Please expound on Tawa's actions--he was absent from the N2 POWERUP night?
Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?Sure.
Also, can I vote for communal extend? Plz?Ding! The day has been extended 48 hours, and will now end Monday, 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has been used.
FoU: Can Hilarity Ensues ability lie or be obtuse about what they really do?Lie(to the people who receive them), no. Be bloody confusing, yes.
EVERYONEY'know how I knew this? Because I have one too. Sure I can use it as a day action and let the other person go 'OH NOOOO, I'm going to DIE' but no. :v Because that's not my kind of humor. I'm more puns and kind sarcasm.
I've said this already, and claimed it; I used the "You Lost the Game" text. It is nothing but a flavor shot of Hilarity Ensues. Tiru has it up there as well.
I hate this phone >:(Duuuude :O[...]
As I said before Tawa had only one shot on the investigate and he (I think it's he, it's the first thing I forget) used it on max spin at N1, I got the medic ability on N3
In the nights, I've given myself a few one shot abilities and have been roleblocked once, via abducted into car. I haven't yet used any of my abilities.Yo girl, didja get that cult thing AFTER maximum spin was ded? :V
None of the abilities have been used yet. The actions done were to obtain the abilities.So about those other questions I asked. :P
Max was lynched Day 2, so the second whispers were after that. The first time was night 0
Oh, and the whispers are the same both times.Straight after the lynch or...? :v Gotta boop details.
Part of my powers, it involve choosing a power on day 3 between the 2-shot medicine 2-shot jail, and a 1-shot nightkillI hate this phone >:(Duuuude :O[...]
As I said before Tawa had only one shot on the investigate and he (I think it's he, it's the first thing I forget) used it on max spin at N1, I got the medic ability on N3
Did you gain it out of no external intervention?
Quick pfpI thought every Hilarity Ensues ability was a joke action that actually did nothing.
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Quick pfpWhich make it even more suspicious there were only two nightkills
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
So what we do know is in between then and now, there is RGN being blocked (and something about lawyers), and other people saying stuff about everything.Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?Sure.
N0: No one
N1:Imic/Moonlit
N2:Mooney
N3:RGN
Pfp but will hopefully be able to make a substantial post later. If we could also get the communal extension to pop that'd be awesome.
I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
??? I don't understand the question.So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
Also I want to note that last night I got a very nasty headache. No idea what that is. Might be a role with mind powers or something, I don't really know.The next night I was randomized to myself.
I'll think it would be better to wait until FoU becomes online and processes my action. I don't know what happened yet.
Also, during the night I was randomized to myself. For some reason I also learned that no one visited me (other than me).
I tried to visit Imic. Now I'm wondering how did I get randomized if no one visited me.
I think Imic might have had an ability that randomizes whoever visits him. How did he get roleblocked? Nothig of this makes sense.
I wanted to see if anyone visited you, but I got randomized and directed to myself. What I find weird is that no one visited me, which made me think that you have an ability that randomized me that triggered when I tried to visit you. Which contradicts with your claim of being roleblocked. Do you have a randomizing ability?Doesn't this confirms that I said the truth because I didn't knew about the Cthulhu role?
There was nothing claimed regarding any 'investigative' ability.??? I don't understand the question.So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
First night I visited Maximum Spin and used my investigative ability, but he had the weird delayed randomization power
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
RGU: What's your insight to the current situation?I'm going to be lynched soon and I'm not sure who to target with the autokill. I am not entirelly sure about anything anymore :-\
kingawsume: You are where? o_ODed IRL. Flu made it's rounds last week and hit me in the tail end. Sick all weekend, didn't get out of bed until this morning.
Quick pfpI thought every Hilarity Ensues ability was a joke action that actually did nothing.
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Silthuri: If either RGU or juicebox dies, who would you suspect?
Then you claim you're suspicious about NQT, yet say you trust him and Rockeater should use their protect on NQT because you trust him. Explain this inconstancy plz.Suspicious because of assuming 2 player
notquitethere:...Wow we're only 6 people left. 1 Mafia. 1 Town AT LEAST, and 4 people who can be town or bloody cult. I'm presuming TWO because it has to start somewhere, and N2 non-shot unblockability.
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
(Night): Eat Me [target]: If your target is using a single-target action, their target is changed to you. If you are killed the night you use this ability, the alignment of any players who killed you becomes your alignment(if possible) if it would not result in game end.Wow.
FOU: Do we still get to vote for a trope? Is anyone present, still able to use their non-tropey abilities (sans Hilarity Ensues)? [Meaning: Can we do our role night/day actions, if any :V While having fun at the carnival?]
Did the minigame start or... What.Indeed >_> It is night so...pretty much waiting for stuffs. I did get an ability but going to ask for claiming it in public won't do given it's only one thing. :V
(0) *notquitethere:Six dudes, Mafia down, 1 left (presumably, else we're fighting cult -.-)
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
But more to the case, there are no minigames or FoU didn't post any! He's been away for 2 days so it may either be eating him that he didn't do that, or he's sick and I hope he's okay. Either way I hope he's okay. :-[I'm okay. I was just hoping to give you guys a chance to discuss the sudden death of Rockeater.
Oh.But more to the case, there are no minigames or FoU didn't post any! He's been away for 2 days so it may either be eating him that he didn't do that, or he's sick and I hope he's okay. Either way I hope he's okay. :-[I'm okay. I was just hoping to give you guys a chance to discuss the sudden death of Rockeater.
The first minigame is Team Deathmatch. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will fight in an arena until only players of one team remain. The winning team’s players(the team with players remaining) all receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. Each player who kills another player is rewarded with 5 Carnival Points per kill. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Team Deathmatch. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points.Can we go for instructions as we wait on NQT?
"In order to balance the teams, kingawsume will not be participating. He'll still get an opportunity to earn points, though..."
"Now for the teams! Tiruin and Silthuri will face off against notquitethere and The Moonlit Shadow! Feel free to come up with your own team names!"
"Er... give me a minute. I'll make sure notquitethere is ready to play before we begin."
Where would I make this bet? PM you, or in the forum?In the forum.
Can we go for instructions as we wait on NQT?
The first minigame is Team Deathmatch. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will fight in an arena until only players of one team remain. The winning team’s players(the team with players remaining) all receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. Each player who kills another player is rewarded with 5 Carnival Points per kill. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Team Deathmatch. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points.
We've till Tuesday to wrap this up. >_>
I'm presuming teammates can see each others' spoilers :vGo right ahead for this minigame.
I have no idea what you did anymore with the rules, FOU. :VIf there's anything confusing, quote it and I'll explain it.
I'm staring at Sil's post. She...didn't write to go after me.I have no idea what you did anymore with the rules, FOU. :VIf there's anything confusing, quote it and I'll explain it.
I'm staring at Sil's post. She...didn't write to go after me.
Also what's with the parentheses rolls?
Hmm, I feel like I should've gotten some sort of meatshield bonus :PFor carrying a dwarf? Sure, a bonus to damage resistance... but dodging? While carrying a heavy dwarf? Hmmm...
Axe!(1) vs. Evade!(1):V
Tiebreak!(TMS)
Tiruin swung her axe through the air and brought it down on her own foot.
The length of this "minigame" is unexpected. What am I doing in the meantime? Sitting in limbo? Having a beer?Yeah, man, this game really jumped the shark.
Yep x.x Unsure as to how many actions we could do, what we could do, etc. No auto attack, and there was environmental stuff.The length of this "minigame" is unexpected. What am I doing in the meantime? Sitting in limbo? Having a beer?Yeah, man, this game really jumped the shark.
Do we keep our phials after this round?Yes. If they're intact.
((With regards to continuous combat: it's doable if everyone agrees, but seeing as other people may want to vary their tactics... I do have another rule change in mind for next turn to increase lethality. When attacking someone, while you have more than 50 INIT over them, you roll twice and take the higher roll for your accuracy due to having time to scope your opponent out.))
1st: Tiruin: 20 Carnival Points, axe of doom
2nd: Silthuri: 10 Carnival Points
2nd: kingawsume: 10 Carnival Points, black vial
3rd: notquitethere: 5 Carnival Points
4th: The Moonlit Shadow: 0 Carnival Points
Phew. I wonder what carnival points will mean.I didn't expect to win, honestly.
So, how big is this ball?
And Rockeater's still dead, huh?
>_> One thing I'm perplexed with, is when these minigames are announced...there seems to be 0 follow up information. Like I have 0 PMs. 0 Idea what to act on. :-\
It'd be a good idea to speed this up so I can get back to lynching people :P>_> One thing I'm perplexed with, is when these minigames are announced...there seems to be 0 follow up information. Like I have 0 PMs. 0 Idea what to act on. :-\
Hm. Would it be a good idea to notify everyone when a new minigame pops up?
Okay, beep this. By the time we finish Sharkjumper, it'll be bloody 2020.
All in favor of just killing Sharkjumper now, say Aye.
Okay, beep this. By the time we finish Sharkjumper, it'll be bloody 2020.Aye
All in favor of just killing Sharkjumper now, say Aye.
I guess it's time for me to attempt to explain things:I'm doubtful people got a USEFUL hilarity ensues ability--seeing my own, it's useless! :O
First of all, What you mean Tiruin by the past forever, I told you all everything I got when I replaced Tawa, and I said everything from then on
And now for the main event.
It was said at the beginning of the Sharkjumper event that it is possible that someone will die in the shark-jumper and not come back until it is finished, my thought was that I got hit by someone's ability.
My plan this night was to use my hilarity ensues ability on NQT which was supposed to give him the ability to choose the trope for today but this didn't go as expected, so I am asking:
NQT, what happened to you tonight?
I think someone tried to kill me, but I was kidnapped for the night. Now I learn that you tried to target me. Hmm.Silthuri is usually the one that kidnappies, so that's you being protected. I stand by my vote with a shorten, although this does seem a bit too quick in context (and then countered back by 'that sharkjumper took a ton of weeks with no reward to everyone else at the end? ._.;), so there's also the suspension of doubt on hasty ability actions and foresight.
...Something's wrong with my night action. Very wrong. Anyone else get text that doesn't make sense at all?I did nothing, so I've no idea what you mean. x.x
NQT claims he was kidnapped while someone tried to kill him.
I did got a weird text, it's said I kidnapped NQT even though it wasn't my plan and it talked on how something worng.>_>
The moonlight shadow:What wrong with the text, did you done something you didn't want.
If we started voting already I will vote Tiruin, She look more suspicious every day that pass.
Kingawsume: Why did you vote for RGN after It was all but confirmed that he had some sort of investigation ability?I don't remember doing that, but hey, whatever floats the boat. I even took the time to look for it; couldn't find it.
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(2) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume, juicebox
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *The Moonlit Shadow: notquitethere
Not voting: Silthuri, randomgenericusername, Rockeater, The Moonlit Shadow
In the end, it was decided that randomgenericusername would be lynched. The L.Y.N.C.H. spat out a volley of gleaming silver bullets, striking down randomgenericusername.
randomgenericusername was Werebear(town)
(1-Shot, Auto): Bears Are Bad News: If you are lynched, you may choose a player voting you to kill as vengeance.
(0-Shot, Night): Rampage [target]: You kill your target. You do not receive night action results the night you use this ability.
(Night): Lurking Bear [target]: You learn how many players visited your target. If anyone visiting your target uses a kill action on them, you learn their name and gain a shot of Rampage.
(Auto): Infectious: If someone survives being hit by a kill action you use, there is a 50% chance that their role changes completely to become Werebear, though their alignment won’t change.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): You’re Queen Now [target]: Your target gains (Auto): Queen of Canada: You are the Queen of Canada.
With a cry of rage, randomgenericusername swelled into the form of a bear, dying but vengeful. He fell upon juicebox, who was promptly torn to shreds.
juicebox was Ratatouille(mafia)
(Auto): Delicious Scent: Players who visit you or anyone you visit during the night smell a heavenly scent of French food(literal and figurative flavor).
(Night): Eat Me [target]: If your target is using a single-target action, their target is changed to you. If you are killed the night you use this ability, the alignment of any players who killed you becomes your alignment(if possible) if it would not result in game end.
(1-Shot, X): French Food Convention [targets]: You use your delicious scent to host a French food convention. For the duration of the phase you use this in, your targets and yourself are removed from the game and attend a French food convention. After the phase ends, all players effected by this ability return to the game and all players affected by this ability other than you gain one shot of Secret French Cooking Arts.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): Villain Song: Can only be used if you are mafia or mafia-ally. PM the mod a song taunting the town for their failure and it shall be posted for you. If you are killed by mafia while you possess this unused ability, the mafia player that killed you receives this ability(and it’s removed from your role).
(Reference): (1-Shot, Night): Secret French Cooking Arts [self]: You cook a delicious meal for yourself, granting yourself enough energy for an additional action next night.
Randomgenericusername licked his lips, then fell still.
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(2) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri, Tiruin
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(3) Jumping The Shark: notquitethere, Rockeater, kingawsume
Not voting: The Moonlit Shadow
By a considerably reduced margin, it was decided to Jump the Shark. Reality promptly exploded into light and game show introductions.
"Hello, I'm your host Null Nevermore! Welcome to the Sharkjumper Carnival! In this carnival, you shall have a chance to earn fabulous prizes while having a blast! I'll let our mascot explain the rules!"
Beat.
"Nowhere-er, Jumpy, get out here!"
A rather forlorn man in a shark costume walked out of a dimensional portal, cleared his throat, and explained...
Trope: Jumping the Shark: The next night and day are replaced with a single Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Each player gains a Sharkjumper ability which are the only abilities that can be activated in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase, and can only be used in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
The Sharkjumper Carnival phase contains 5 minigames and an intermission between each minigame. Minigames all have means of earning Carnival Points within.
Action success in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is dependent on d10 rolls, with higher being better and lower being worse.
Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is not permanent. Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase lasts(with possible exceptions) until the end of the current minigame.
When all the minigames are complete, living players may spend their Carnival Points in the Sharkjumper Shop, gaining abilities for use outside the Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
Information on each minigame is revealed upon its start.
The items for sale in the Sharkjumper Shop will have their flavor revealed when all the minigames are complete. When multiple players want to buy an item from the Sharkjumper Shop, the player who offers the highest amount of Carnival Points to buy it receives the item and learns its game effects at the end of the Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Players who do not receive an item still lose the points they bid. In the event of a tie, a random player who tied for the item gets it. Items may only be purchased from the Sharkjumper Shop via PM.
Just like that, the six remaining players became contestants in a game show.
((I'll send out Sharkjumper abilities tomorrow. Feel free to chat in the meantime.))
Why it's so hard to convince people in what happens hereIt's more we need your words and your detail/explaining things than pointing to stuff that happened and letting us connect it without premise. :P
I try to say that Kingawsume veterans to lynch RGU after it was clearly shown that he had investigation ability.
...What are you doing again?
This is interesting, how would you know
NQT: why do you think someone tried to kill you?
I think someone tried to kill me, but I was kidnapped for the night. Now I learn that you tried to target me. Hmm.
You know what, I mistaken in how day 4 went, I will change my vote, and I meant the voting today.This is a good question.
Kingawsume: Why did you vote for RGN after It was all but confirmed that he had some sort of investigation ability?
I targeted KingAwsume and kidnapped him last night.Not really
Meaning Tiruin likely targeted Silthuri.
I did nothing, so I've no idea what you mean. x.xSo, what going on.
...How do people get nothing that makes no sense?
Fallacy how does it suppose to work, If A targeted B and B targeted C who get kidnapped?Assuming A and B were both using kidnapping ability, B would be kidnapped and C wouldn't. If C was using kidnapping on A, I would have to roll initiative to determine which would be applied first.
So, what going on.You're playing mafia.
It's look like I am gonna get lynched by two votes from the start so I will Use my extenionKa-ching!
The Day will now end Monday 8:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not been used.:v and yet people haven't spoken (ok I haven't, but I was busy! Although people can persecute me on these grounds, I'm okay with it!)
I targeted KingAwsume and kidnapped him last night.No I didn't? o_o
Meaning Tiruin likely targeted Silthuri.
Last night's actions:So...let me get this straight,
Me: kidnapped
Silthuri: activating kidnap conversion and is kidnapped
Rockeater: targets me -> converted to kidnap
Moonlit???
Tiruin???
kingawsume???
First of all, I'll vote for communal extend to cancel out one of the shortens (assuming that's how this works. I don't actually want to extend just yet just sayin). Yes things are getting hairy now but why are you wanting to rush?Also extend
My block is literally called "abduct" and i kidnap people in my bus to remove them from the game. I think the flavor changed since not everyone has buses. But it is essentially kidnapping.
What i did last night was essentially force everyone to use my abduct power on their targets instead of whatever they were going to do. So instead of rockeater actually using their ability on NQT, they instead took them out of the game. I was also taken out of the game so someone targeted me last night as well.
NQT: why do you think someone tried to kill you?
So tally of who was kidnapped and who wasn't and who did the kidnapping.
Also which one of you sillies targeted me last night and with what?
I'm heading back to revisit yesterday's shenanigans because I'm slightly confused by some things.
Somehow me posting that I did nothing doesn't register I see? :PLast night's actions:
Me: kidnapped
Silthuri: activating kidnap conversion and is kidnapped
Rockeater: targets me -> converted to kidnap
Moonlit???
Tiruin???
kingawsume???
If this is accurate, and kidnaps do role block, the only person unaccounted for is you, Tiruin.
I will vote for Communal extension because if I die for two votes who barely explained why it would be silly.You did target NQT with a hilarity ensues poke, I'm unsure why he didn't respond to it o_O
I need to learn, but I am still a bit confused about Cthulhu, so if we revived him he would be mafia?No, he was town.
Sharkjumper was truly a mistake.This
I think you did okay, maybe if you hadn't voted me or I had killed kingawsume instead you would have lasted longer.Sharkjumper was truly a mistake.This
But besides that, this game was pretty fun.
How did I do as mafia?
I was a horrible communicator (although I do wonder why none of the signals went as is) :'(Oh, your communication was good. Just that the scum didn't read through it enough.
What was my Hilarity Ensues?Fun facts: Affably Evil even worked for the dead. My favorite Hilarity Ensues ability was the only one not given to a player.Spoiler: Tropes (click to show/hide)Sharkjumper was a mistake.Spoiler: SHARKJUMPER ARGH NO NEVER AGAIN (click to show/hide)
Anything else?
What was my Hilarity Ensues?I assigned each person's Hilarity Ensues ability at random when that trope was selected. I don't think you were alive at the time. If you were, you would have gotten one of the abilities at random.