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[LucasUP]

[0.34.11] [V15] Released
Now with Lazy Newb Pack GUI V1.5

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Removed:
-Economy Button
-Exotics Button
Added:
+Varied Ground button
+Starting Labors button
+Open Savegame Folder button in Advanced tab
Changed:
*NEW TOOLTIPS WHICH MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL!
*Made separate menu dropdown for opening folders
*Slightly different button layout
*Added filename headers to init editor

Sorry guys, I didn't get around to the grazer tag thing. It just seems too much of a version-specific bug at the moment.
Also, while toggling grazing on/off completely is easy for me to program, doing specific creatures/values is wayyyy harder.

[CLA]

Someone asked me this a while back, and I forgot to ask here: Would you consider adding my graphic pack to the LNP?

[Xen0n]

As to the whole grazer issue, perhaps have a button that toggles between vanilla grazer values, and the values used in Modest Mod?  I don't know how easy it would be to just copy and past the part of the mod that changes the grazer values from Modest Mod, but I believe it's pretty reasonable in the way it makes all animals feasible to feed and keep alive.

Also, looking forward to trying out the new version/GUI!  Great work!

[RabblerouserGT]

Daaaw. I miss the old tooltips already.

[RabblerouserGT]

I don't quite get the Starting Labors buttons. What's it do, exactly?

[LucasUP]

I don't quite get the Starting Labors buttons. What's it do, exactly?

I haven't done a lot of playing with it, but my understanding, is that it controls what labours are enabled by default, for both your starting dwarves, and for migrants.
With the SKILLS option, if you have a dwarf who has some skill in Mining, their mining labour will be enabled by default. If they also know a bit about woodburning, that will also be enabled.
My guess with BY_UNIT_TYPE, is if a dwarf is defined as a "Miner", then mining will be enabled, but it will probably ignore any secondary/unrelvant skills.
NONE means that you have to manually enable any and all labours for all your dwarves.

How could I explain this better in the tooltip?

[RabblerouserGT]

all labours for all your dwarves.

How could I explain this better in the tooltip?

I get it now. I guess the tooltip does explain it rather well, still might stump some guys.


New question, though. What exactly are the new keybinds on LNP? I'm thinking about toying with them, seeing if they're less cumbersome than the normal keybinds, but would be nice to have a reference to look at.

[LucasUP]

New question, though. What exactly are the new keybinds on LNP? I'm thinking about toying with them, seeing if they're less cumbersome than the normal keybinds, but would be nice to have a reference to look at.

This is how I know you haven't read the Lazy Newb Pack.txt readme file, because there's a description of them there 
But please! Tell me how you like them. They haven't really changed over the lifetime of this pack, but I certainly find them less cumbersome.

ALTERNATE KEYBINDINGS
--------------------------------------
"LazyNewb" Keybindings:

UP Z Level:              "," or "<"
DOWN Z Level:            "." or ">"
Menu Select UP:          "-"
Menu Select DOWN:        "="
Menu Select PAGE UP:     "_" (shift + "-")
Menu Select PAGE DOWN:   "+" (shift + "=")
One-Step:                "/"
Zoom In:                 "]" (and mouse-wheel)
Zoom Out:                "[" (and mouse-wheel)
------------------------------------

[knutor]

I don't quite get the Starting Labors buttons. What's it do, exactly?

How could I explain this better in the tooltip?

That's the best explanation I have read for it, LucasUP.  Here is maybe a shortened version of what ya said, up there.

SKILLS - All Skills On
BY UNIT TYPE - Only Highest Skills On
NONE - All Skills Off

It doesn't appear to change what they bring along as gear.  I'm getting picks(miners), armor & quivers(ambushers) and axes(lumberjacks), regardless of this setting.  Kinda wish it would turn off their gear, as I end up just melting it down, to make new items.  To improve wealth. 

I recommend playing with NONE.  It's a great way to play with Splinterz modified version of Therapist, which includes Roles.  Many of the migrants come with poorly assigned skill sets, for their attributes.  Especially the low disease resistant military types.  Or the fisherdwarfs, that do nothing in fishless regions, but gain Agility doing nothing.  They reRole into wonderful FAST haulers. 

Knutor *crosses fingers* and hopes for more Role options by Splinterz.  Take care, Knutor

[GoombaGeek]

Could you please include one of my ASCII sets? Someone said "LNP doesn't have enough good plain ASCII tilesets" and suggested I suggest that you include this :I It's 16x16, it's hand-drawn so it makes DF look like a big ol' doodle and I think it's nifty.

[RabblerouserGT]

I believe Lucas said he'd get around to ASCII tilesets when (or if) he gets to revamping that tab in the LNP GUI.
Something about how having separate colors schemes for one tileset can make it a bit tougher.

[GoombaGeek]

I believe Lucas said he'd get around to ASCII tilesets when (or if) he gets to revamping that tab in the LNP GUI.
Something about how having separate colors schemes for one tileset can make it a bit tougher.

Luckily, it doesn't have a specfic colourset.

[TxJBxT]

I haven't updated my LNP in a little while so I just updated it. I noticed there is no exotic animals on the GUI anymore. Does that mean that you can tame all animals by default now? Or do I have to revert to an older version to tame exotics?

[daveralph1234]

I haven't updated my LNP in a little while so I just updated it. I noticed there is no exotic animals on the GUI anymore. Does that mean that you can tame all animals by default now? Or do I have to revert to an older version to tame exotics?

Exotic creature no longer exist. Toady did an animal tameing rewrite, now all animals just have different difficulties (sucess probability based on skill) to tame.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Animal_trainer

[Shiv]

Anyone know how to get animal training to work in the newest LNP pack?   Seems there's no keybind assigned and none in the in-game menu.  Haven't tried through the text files yet but I assume if it's missing in game, there's not the value in the ini either, so I wouldn't know what to add in. 

Nevermind I figured it out.  Just put these lines in your interface.txt file:

[BIND:HOTKEY_KENNEL_TRAIN_HUNT:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:h]
[BIND:HOTKEY_KENNEL_CATCH_VERMIN:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:a]
[BIND:HOTKEY_KENNEL_TAME_VERMIN:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:t]
[BIND:HOTKEY_KENNEL_TAME_UNIT:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:m]
[BIND:HOTKEY_KENNEL_TRAIN_WAR:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:w]
[BIND:ANIMAL_SELECT_TRAINER:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:t]
[BIND:ANIMAL_WAR_TRAINING:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:w]
[BIND:ANIMAL_HUNTING_TRAINING:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:h]
[BIND:CIVZONE_ANIMAL_TRAINING:REPEAT_NOT]
[KEY:t]

I think only the last four key bindings are the important ones though but I added them all and it works now.