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[Gnorm]

It's not unheard of. Check the body, that the following are in order:

- All limbs are connected and the brain exists and is connected
- Tissues have appropriate tokens
- No tissue error has caused any part to be made of nonexistent materials

Post all raws for more eyes to see. So far I would say pretty much every intractable problem with creatures has been due to silly mistakes that the creator just missed.

I posted all of the raws for the creatures and the entity that I honestly believe have anything to do with the creatures. The bodies seem to work, but just in case:

Body Detail:

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[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_MATERIALS_GNORM]
[ADD_MATERIAL:METAL:METAL_TEMPLATE_HLG]

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_TISSUES_GNORM]
[ADD_TISSUE:METAL:GEAR_TEMPLATE_GNORM]

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_LAYERS_GNORM]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:GEAR:METAL:1]

Body:

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[BODY:EXTERNAL_GEARS]
[BP:RSG:right shoulder gear:STP][CON:RARM][EMBEDDED][CATEGORY:GEAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:100]
[BP:LLG:left leg gear:STP][CON:LTHIGH][EMBEDDED][CATEGORY:GEAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:100]
[BP:NG:neck gear:STP][CON:NECK][EMBEDDED][CATEGORY:GEAR]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:150]

Tissue:

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[TISSUE_TEMPLATE:GEAR_TEMPLATE_GNORM]
[TISSUE_NAME:gear metal:STP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:METAL_TEMPLATE_HLG]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:100]
[VASCULAR:0]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:0]
[HEALING_RATE:300]
[STRUCTURAL]
[CONNECTIVE_TISSUE_ANCHOR]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SETTABLE]

As described in the creature raws:

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[BODY:CORE_HLG:BACK_LEGS_HLG:ARMS_HLG:EXTERNAL_EARS_HLG:TEETH_HLG:EXTERNAL_GEARS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_MATERIALS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_TISSUES_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:TEETH_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BACK_LEGS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:ARMS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXTERNAL_EARS_LAYERS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HAIR_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HAIR_ON_HEAD_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_MATERIALS_GNORM]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_TISSUES_GNORM]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:GEAR_LAYERS_GNORM]
[BODYGLOSS:TWOLEGS_HLG]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TENDON:400]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TENDON:400]

If no one can honestly make anything out of this, I'll post everything.

[Baffler]

Found a bug with the formics (heh.) The "make wood crafts" reaction at the craftsman's workshop produces "large cam versarai wood gems" or "large apple tree gems" instead of random baubles like earrings and such. This wouldn't bother me too much normally, but it is meeting production mandates... problematic... when they ask for things like earrings.

I don't know yet if this holds true for all craft materials, or just wood.

[vyznev]

That's odd.  I wonder if it has to do with the fact that our "wood" is really modified plant structure, and thus retains a few extra tags (notably [STRUCTURAL_PLANT_MAT] and [ROTS]) that might be confusing the game.  Dunno why that should cause it to make gems out of it, though.  I could try making a separate wood template and seeing if that makes any difference.

[Halfling]

But what is wood, if not plant structure? And it does rot in life too

Good idea though. Should also check the reaction. Maybe we can finally eliminate wood gems.

The Urist, your turn is now. Ready?

[vyznev]

I figured it out -- it's because our wood is missing the [ITEMS_HARD] tag, which is what allows it to be made into the various types of crafts.

My guess is that, when you tag something with [WOOD] but not [ITEMS_HARD] (or any other similar tags) and try to make crafts from it, the game loops through the list of item types and tries to find an allowed type of craft.  But since it can't find any, it runs off the end of the crafts section (which ends with type 42, BRACELET) and onto the next item type in the list, number 43, GEM.

Anyway, I'd suggest creating the following new material template, and making all wood materials use it:

Spoiler: material_template_wood_vyznev.txt (click to show/hide)

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material_template_wood_vyznev

[OBJECT:MATERIAL_TEMPLATE]

Wood template, based on Halfling's plant structure template, with tags
that allow it to be used for crafts and stuff.

[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WOOD_VYZ]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:BROWN]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:wood]
[STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:BROWN]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:wood pulp]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:BROWN]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:ashes]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:ash]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]

This stuff is from Halfling's plant structure template:
[SPEC_HEAT:3000]
[IGNITE_POINT:10300] lowered for fun
[MELTING_POINT:12000]
[BOILING_POINT:15000]
[HEATDAM_POINT:10200]
[COLDDAM_POINT:9950]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1200]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:NONE]
[IMPACT_YIELD:10000] here i again went with vanilla values
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:10000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:10000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:10000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[TENSILE_YIELD:10000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:10000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[TORSION_YIELD:10000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:10000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[SHEAR_YIELD:40000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:40000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[BENDING_YIELD:10000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:10000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:1000]
[MAX_EDGE:1000]
[ABSORPTION:0]

Added the following tags based on the vanilla DF wood template:
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_WEAPON]
[ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED]
[ITEMS_AMMO]
[ITEMS_ARMOR]
[ITEMS_SIEGE_ENGINE]
[WOOD]


This also lets us get rid of the individual [WOOD] tags inside the specific wood material definitions.

Any objections?

[Gnorm]

Any objections?

None to switching all current types of wood to the new template. I will, however, say that I personally liked the wood gems, and found them a quaint part of this mod. The old template should be preserved, even if it is not the primarily used version.

[vyznev]

I suppose we could always add a new "make wood gems" reaction.  Or possibly add [IS_GEM] to wood, and see if that lets it be used for normal gem-cutting reactions.

[Gnorm]

I suppose we could always add a new "make wood gems" reaction.  Or possibly add [IS_GEM] to wood, and see if that lets it be used for normal gem-cutting reactions.

Fine by me.

[Poldon]

I suppose we could always add a new "make wood gems" reaction.  Or possibly add [IS_GEM] to wood, and see if that lets it be used for normal gem-cutting reactions.

I would vote for the "make wood gems" reaction, because then we could specify only certain races allowed to make them. I feel like elves and halflings would be more inclined to it than Formics would be.

[Halfling]

No objections vyznev. Impressive.

I pm'd The Urist two days ago. He hasn't replied. So, Gnorm, that makes it your turn now. Have fun!

[Gnorm]

No objections vyznev. Impressive.

I pm'd The Urist two days ago. He hasn't replied. So, Gnorm, that makes it your turn now. Have fun!

Very well then! I'll not let you down.

[blademan9999]

Why do we have 3 wikis.

[Timeless Bob]

redundancy.

[Gnorm]

Why do we have 3 wikis.

Thrice as many sources, thrice as much knowledge!

[WillowLuman]

Currently, 1 knowledge spread over 3 sources