Post by: Seriyu on January 05, 2012, 07:43:57 pm
WE'RE PLAYING ON ALEXINA, THE GUILDSTONE IS IN PORT COBH WHICH IS A NEIGHBOR TO DUNBARTON (litterally one map away) WHICH YOU CANNOT MISS. If you're having trouble finding it ask the thread (slow) or check the wiki (fast)
DISABLE THE NAGLE ALGORITHM. It's completely harmless and many have done it with no ill effects. Instructions are here. (http://mabination.com/threads/210-Improve-your-Lag-Disable-the-Nagle-Algorithm) I SERIOUSLY CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, DISABLE THE NAGLE ALGORITHM. It's not nearly as big a deal as it used to be but the playability shoots through the roof nontheless.
Mabinogi is a free Korean MMO (Don't leave) with a... lot of variety. A VERY GOOD combat system (I'll be explaining this because it's clearly the meat of the game), rather close to an action game without being quite like such a thing, numerous crafting skills of varying usefulness, a goddamn COMMERCE system (think a simple stock trading game, buy something at a low city, escort it to a high city while avoiding bandits), a DECENT plotline based roughly off irish/celtic myth, impressive equipment design depth (any gear can be any color in any combination provided you can find the dye ampoules for it), and an amazing music writing system. You can write your own music to play which will then give various buffs depending on the skill you use. Naturally most people use this to play Still Alive or Down with the sickness or something on a lute. But the potential is there! It is very there.
On the downside it is rather anime, although not overpoweringly so, I'd put it closer to say, old timey JRPGs then anything terrible. It is very prone to lag and Nexon does not keep their servers in a good state typically, and the combat can be frustrating if you intend to solo everything in the game (you shouldn't).
So with all that said, here's (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Support/client.aspx) the download link. Use the direct download link that's hidden below the giant button, as the giant button uses pando media booster to download the game (I think). I wouldn't call it malware, but it does basically seed a torrent for the client without your permission, which is a huge deal if you are on limited bandwith. While you're waiting for it to download, read up on the combat, because it is deceptively complex and will toss you on your ass with no reservations about your well being if you let it.
WIKI LINK (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/)
ALTERNATE WIKI LINK IF WIKI LINK ISN'T WORKING (http://mabinoger.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
Spoiler: GUIDES, may no longer be relevant. (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dungeon runs. Look here for some examples of combat/screenshots. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on January 05, 2012, 07:49:48 pm
Is there an age limit? As in, once you reach a certain age you stop growing or have to make a new character?
Post by: Carcanken on January 05, 2012, 07:50:23 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 05, 2012, 08:17:25 pm
@Carcanken: What's the error?
EDIT: Incidentally there are currently a couple of idjits spamming megaphones. This usually doesn't happen and should be over by the end of the day, so don't let it scare you off.
Post by: Patchy on January 05, 2012, 10:13:36 pm
Edit:
A pic I found of my ruari char.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on January 05, 2012, 11:53:16 pm
And Patchy, you've gotten farther then G1 so you've done way more then me.
I always get stuck around the bangor dungeon section.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 05, 2012, 11:56:14 pm
Then I went to Sidhe Sneachta (spelling?) and got my ass handed to me.
Post by: Patchy on January 06, 2012, 12:27:20 am
Anyways, downloading it on my laptop now. So I'll probably be on sometime this weekend, trying to shake my rust off.
Post by: majikero on January 06, 2012, 02:20:59 am
I had two accounts here. Forgot the password though. Also, If you start human, you can get free giant or elf character card if you visit their respective homes. You can only choose one because of the giant/elf rivalry.
You can rebirth for free in any age as long as you don't change anything else.
Post by: Sirus on January 06, 2012, 02:23:29 am
Also, does "re-birthing" allow you to keep skills or stats, or is it like completely starting over each time?
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 06, 2012, 02:34:11 am
Like, could I make a Seriyu on tarlach instead of where the real Seriyu is?
Post by: majikero on January 06, 2012, 02:35:44 am
You can level all the crafting skills but it is pretty dull. There is a skill for gathering the raw materials, a skill for refining the raw materials to crafting materials, then you have to level the crafting skill itself before you get anything you can use. There is a skill that helps all the gathering and crafting skills though. And your bag is limited in size, like Diablo I think. Money also needs inventory space.
There is also magic and alchemy too but don't know about them.
Post by: azurelao on January 06, 2012, 08:32:57 am
Like it was said, its very anime-ish, but also quite fun.
Character creation is simple, for the most part, and aside from a "focus" you get when creating your character, there really isnt a job system. Said focus is either warrior, mage, or ranged, with each focus doubling the rate at which you improve skills related to melee/magic/ranged
There are a ton of skills. some are useful, some not quite so useful, but there there anyways. want to make your own armor? you can go out, mine, smelt the ore you get, and craft your armor. itll take a while, but it can happen. want to be a mage? theres a ton of spells (including awesome spells like ice spear and fireball. thunder is especially nice). want to be an alchemist and use a flamethrower/water cannon while summoning a golem to fight with? you can do it. however, being a pure mage is rather hard, due to mana regenerating slowly. but theres potions and weapon mods for that.
whenever you level a skill, it boosts your stats in addition to its getting stronger. this applies to both combat and non-combat skills. in fact, in order to get better at what they do, youll often find that swordsmen are also blacksmiths/tailors, while mages have some skill at herbalism and other skills.
As for aging, you get to choose from age 10-17 when starting. every saturday you age 1 year, up to pretty much infinite. when you age you get status bonuses, as well as AP (which is used to level up skills), until you turn 25. When you hit age 20 (maybe 21) you can rebirth your character for free.
Rebirthing basically resets your characters AGE, LOOKS, and LEVEL. skills/stats are affected as well, but only the points you gained from aging are affected. points/stats gained from trained skills, however, still affect you. so, essentially, you gradually get stronger and stronger as you train, even if youre just rebirthed.
as for the story, its actually pretty good. get a little creepy sometimes when you log in and BAM, cutscene, but otherwise its not bad. In fact, some of the best loot can be gotten from doing story missions. after doing generation 2 of the story, you get to transform into a Paladin, which gives a MASSIVE boost to your stats, as well as looks cool. after playing generation 3, you can turn into a dark knight, which has different skills, at the cost of never being able to transform into a paladin again. Thankfully, you can skip the story if you want, and still be able to transform, but the quest to get the transformations is a LOT harder than if you had just gone through the storyline
As a korean MMO, mabinogi can be a little grind-y. however, given that you can pretty much do whatever you want, the only stuff you grind for is the stuff that you already WANT to grind for, instead of stuff you HAVE to. Levels go surprisingly fast, and theres even a secondary leveling system (sort of) that gives you levels for finding/sketching artifacts and creatures, and doing special quests. combat, while being solo-able, is often very fast, very harsh, and quite unforgiving. if you tangle with something that you dont know how to kill, you WILL be taken out. that said, its also fun when you level up a skill enough to just blast through the enemies that were previously taking you out, although they still can if you get lax (goblins, im looking at you)
As for the community, it can be bad at times. however, it can also be quite good. its just a matter of who you find and when, really. and its always fun to see 100+ people gather for an event and basically tank through everything
overall, id say that, while it can be quite frustrating, it can also be quite rewarding. if youre looking for an mmo where you can be whatever you want to be, while also exploring/gatherring/just muckin about then you might want to try mabinogi
Post by: Girlinhat on January 06, 2012, 08:50:52 am
I'd be up to playing again, but you'd have to PM me here on the forums to get my attention for it.
Post by: HLBeta on January 06, 2012, 10:58:12 am
Post by: Patchy on January 06, 2012, 03:08:31 pm
So rebirthing got reworked again? I don't have to wait till age 20 to rb, but can rebirth at any age?
Character name - Server
Rozzy - Ruari
Anri - Tarlach
Elanna - Tarlach
Post by: azurelao on January 06, 2012, 04:36:21 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 06, 2012, 05:22:12 pm
Annnnnd added patchy's characters' to the OP.
EDIT: Oh wait, rebirthing works this way, have to wait until 20 to do it at all (pretty sure) but you can only rebirth to age 17. If you want to rebirth to anything lower then that you need to spend actual money. You CAN rebirth to 17 in that way as many times as you want though.
EDIT2: And if you really want both a giant and elf charecter you can swear alliegence to one of the races, then go to the other and join them via doublecrossing. Do note you can only switch sides once.
Post by: Carcanken on January 06, 2012, 06:18:08 pm
The error is "Patching stopped, please restart and try again"
I have spent ages trying to fix it.. nothing has worked.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 06, 2012, 06:50:30 pm
Shall we see what the world shall bleed when dwarven steel strikes the earth?
Post by: majikero on January 06, 2012, 07:31:56 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 06, 2012, 07:43:28 pm
EDIT: I'm patching now, will probably be in game sometime next week at this terrible terrible DL speed :s
Post by: Seriyu on January 06, 2012, 08:30:08 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 06, 2012, 09:37:08 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 06, 2012, 10:23:58 pm
Anyone think they may be on around then?
Post by: Sirus on January 06, 2012, 10:28:58 pm
Okay, slight exaggeration. I'm not gonna be playing tonight, that's for damn sure.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 12:03:33 am
Laur - Elf - Alexina (Main)
Anura - Human - Alexina
Some Giant Chick I Never Use - Giant - Alexina
Also some dozen or so pets on Alexina. I don't suppose I can jump servers? Be a terrible shame to lose all of those pets :s
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 12:07:18 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 12:08:33 am
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 12:15:10 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 12:25:23 am
I think if the upgrade is no longer paid for the guild isn't destroyed but it loses a lot of functions. So take note! :P
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 12:26:39 am
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2012, 02:20:19 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 02:24:28 am
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2012, 02:32:01 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 02:47:56 am
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2012, 02:51:50 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 02:54:26 am
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2012, 02:59:25 am
South-East Asia? That'd probably be the Korean version. Dude, we've got a NA set of servers, get with the program. Maybe LOOK before you start hating?Huh? NA servers support worldwide connections?
Post by: Nelia Hawk on January 07, 2012, 08:21:45 am
South-East Asia? That'd probably be the Korean version. Dude, we've got a NA set of servers, get with the program. Maybe LOOK before you start hating?Huh? NA servers support worldwide connections?
nope, EU has its own mabinogi... (http://mabinogi.nexoneu.com/NXEU.aspx?PART=/MAIN) it gives an error when you try to connect to the one in the first topic (US?) as EU.
think the US one is called "Mabinogi: Romio and Juliet" and the EU one "Mabinogi: Shakespeare" (atleast that is what was on the main menu)
atleast its not worldwide connectable. (EU servers are called: Macha and Morrighan ... if US servers are called the same then "maybe" they are conected...)
Post by: Tellemurius on January 07, 2012, 09:19:14 am
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 11:51:54 am
Post by: Rose on January 07, 2012, 12:09:31 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on January 07, 2012, 12:11:31 pm
So is this game still region locked?seems not, dunno about india bro but my cousins in east asia are playing on NA servers.
Post by: majikero on January 07, 2012, 12:32:52 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 02:25:52 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 04:57:14 pm
Once we do I might move over there if it's not ruari as I'm not too far in.
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 05:20:51 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 05:24:43 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 05:41:11 pm
Have a link. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Guild)
Post by: Tellemurius on January 07, 2012, 05:42:31 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 05:48:42 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 06:07:32 pm
Unless I can't figure it out.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 06:09:52 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 06:17:41 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 06:20:04 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 07, 2012, 06:21:18 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 06:22:42 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 06:27:39 pm
Post by: Sirian on January 07, 2012, 06:29:09 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 06:30:06 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 06:31:10 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 06:36:00 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2012, 09:11:47 pm
I don't care what servers you guys want to form a guild on, since I have no characters or anything to feel attached to.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 09:21:01 pm
Also, exploring the Homestead. Looks interesting, namely that you can farm herbs and get an easy furnace+anvil on it. Dwarven production center, anyone?
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 09:24:20 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 09:26:54 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 09:32:40 pm
::)
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2012, 09:34:34 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 09:37:51 pm
Elves are small, run fast, live in the desert, use bows,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2012, 09:39:42 pm
Huh. Those are interesting ways to use fantasy cliches.
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
The giants did have their good points, though. Mainly it was their melee abilities.
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2012, 09:42:52 pm
I far prefered the elves back in 09. They are faster, had a greater selection for their appearance, and weren't as limited equipment wise. They also weren't handicapped horribly in the ranged department.So wait, are the elves worse now? Or are you referring to 09 as "back when I last played"?
The giants did have their good points, though. Mainly it was their melee abilities.
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 09:44:02 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 07, 2012, 09:45:08 pm
... of course, I haven't actually played any yet, so...
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 09:46:01 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 09:46:25 pm
In other news having the same password for everything has paid off again. I've unlocked an old nexon account and discovered a 3 year old email account that was not getting any spam.
Post by: Sirus on January 07, 2012, 09:46:58 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 07, 2012, 09:48:29 pm
Now I'm having flashbacks to when Iria just opened. A horde of people at the base camp, all waiting for someone to Mana Tunnel them to "elf town" or "giant place." Good times. Goooood times.
In other news having the same password for everything has paid off again. I've unlocked an old nexon account and discovered a 3 year old email account that was not getting any spam.
Haha, indeed. I remember that too. Very fun times, and I miss my old guild from back then so much heh.
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 09:50:18 pm
It's too bad everything else on the account wouldn't be usable with him if I use the card on a server that is not Ruari. :(
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 09:52:04 pm
Giants are the only race with an aggro skill to let them tank, and they can use some special gear and are able to use claymores one-handed. They're fun, for sure, get some amazing raw damage, but overall I enjoy bow combat much more.
Also, no matter which server we end up on, I'll be making an elven smith and trying to provide armor and, especially, arrows. Handmade arrows get more dps, quite a bit more.
Post by: justinlee999 on January 07, 2012, 09:53:46 pm
I don't really get the reason why there are region blocks anyway, it's not like Mabinogi is censored or something.
Post by: Frumple on January 07, 2012, 10:07:27 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 10:07:44 pm
(2) humans, Ruari, level 3.
(3) dogs, ruari, level whatever
(4) elves, "", level whatever
(5) giants, ruari, level whatever
(3) humans, ruari, level 10-15
(1) unused card.
Alt-itis and Emailaccount-itis. :-X
Many of these were on accounts with only the human, or only the human or the elf, or etc. ALL (execpt the dogs) were made using the free cards. (most were made 1, 2 years ago, then promptly forgotten about.) I'm currently trying to remember the details for my level something human on my first account :-X
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2012, 10:19:15 pm
And I'm not actually sure what process explorer is Frumple soooooo :P
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 10:20:43 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 07, 2012, 10:54:47 pm
Old account, has a bunch of maplestory characters my sister made, made using my main email, and it doesn't have anything on Mabinogi. I really don't know why she never used it, or why I didn't know of it until now.
Post by: alexwazer on January 07, 2012, 11:46:10 pm
While not as bad as Praecordia, I also have altitis issues. Could not recover more than 2 accounts no matter how much I tried. Of these accounts, one had 0 character ??? *shrugs* The other has 2 characters, a 120ish years old lvl 5 elf and a now-newly-rebirth 10 years old human; 10 years old cause I never really grew out of Pokemon... or some other reason. Both are on Alexina. BTW, it is still possible to choose age at rebirth, you just need to check the reset level and age option.
Still not sure I'll be playing, so I didn't vote. However, if there are enough people here interested and a guild is created, I would most likely play again. For a while anyway.
But I am horrible at this. Or rather I was, now I am abysmal :-[
Edit: I just got some inspiration and figured out the details of a third account, which also was my main one :D Not that it is a huge improvement, but it has a bit more money, skills, gear, etc.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 07, 2012, 11:52:21 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on January 08, 2012, 12:10:07 am
I'm on now, if you've got an elf or can get to elf-town, we could meet and, I dunno, whatever people do :Pah crap that reminds me, i will have to allow treehuggers into the bay12guild
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 12:11:16 am
Post by: HLBeta on January 08, 2012, 12:13:40 am
Post by: Tellemurius on January 08, 2012, 12:29:32 am
Treehugger is finding iron 8)Then i shall redact my last comment my earthen cousin.
Post by: Frumple on January 08, 2012, 12:37:11 am
Now I just need to figure out what this alchemist thing's all about. Starting town seems to have plenty of stabby and twangy, with a bit of magic-kaboom, but I've not found anything for magidakka yet. Fire or lightning or something. The water cannon's doing alright, I guess, but... fire, yanno'? Or something.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 12:40:05 am
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 12:46:53 am
Post by: alexwazer on January 08, 2012, 12:50:22 am
I will mess around a bit and try to get the rust off and I might be interested in joining some treehugging.
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 12:53:08 am
Unless you like that sort of thing. It lets anyone else with the flag on attack you anywhere. I don't believe they can kill you, i'm just not sure.
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 12:53:48 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 01:05:41 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 08, 2012, 01:26:06 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 08, 2012, 02:17:09 am
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 02:19:19 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 08, 2012, 06:08:40 am
Post by: exoleet on January 08, 2012, 11:13:10 am
Post by: Tellemurius on January 08, 2012, 11:15:28 am
I have an account and I've installed the game, but how do I boot it up? Clicking "Play" on the website tells me to download it.You gotta login through the nexon website and run the exe, its gotta update after that.
Post by: freeformschooler on January 08, 2012, 11:17:18 am
Post by: exoleet on January 08, 2012, 11:20:20 am
I want to try this and group with some bay12ers if possible. I'd like to know which is the best server for that. Alexenia? Ruari?
Yeah, me too.
Post by: freeformschooler on January 08, 2012, 11:22:56 am
Post by: exoleet on January 08, 2012, 11:26:47 am
Never mind, I can't download Mabinogi. Its downloader forces my entire internet connection to drop whenever I get above 250 kbs. The exact same thing happens when using bittorrent software (say, to download Linux distros). My connection never drops otherwise. I'm suspecting foul play on the part of my ISP (throttling, I mean).
Check your executables for pando media booster. That's what causes it and you can turn it off without making anything go wrong.
It's PMB.exe.
Post by: exoleet on January 08, 2012, 11:45:05 am
Nevermind. The shortcut wasn't the exe.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 12:06:29 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 01:31:03 pm
Edit: And I'm on. Took enough tries to find an unused name but anyways. Dlynn if you wanna send me a message. I'll be busy running through the tutorials newb quests for now. Also channel 3, though I can change to whatever channel everyone likes to use.
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 02:44:38 pm
And it costs 50,000 gold to unlock anybody after the first two.
But you can name it, at least.
::)
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 05:03:56 pm
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 05:14:53 pm
EDIT: Starts working right after I post this.
NEXON WHY U TROLLING
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 05:19:25 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 08, 2012, 05:55:02 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 05:59:04 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 06:08:13 pm
My in-game name is Laur, on channel 3 of Alexina. Turns out you cannot PM across channels, though channels aren't any different so there's no reason to prefer one over another. Although, Channel 1 Dunbarton is like trade capital of forever, with the major export of lag keeping the economy powerful. I can move around most everywhere, so if someone wants to join up then I can come to you.
Also: Ciar Dungeon is great, it gives building stones for rewards. These are used for your private homestead, where you can build things. In particular, you can build a furnace that runs for free, and an anvil, and get them both boosted by nearby decorative items for increased success rates. Mabinogi does a good job of making crafting interesting, at least more-so than other games. A group of dwarves making a party (+production stack), heading to someone's homestead (+equipment bonus), enjoying a nice beverage (+food buff), on Thursday (+daily buff) can get a lot of work done. If there's some help, I could easily get my homestead streamlined for metal processing.
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 06:44:55 pm
Early on in a mages life the spells are actually pretty cheap mp wise, and you won't feel the mana addiction to badly. But as you rank the spells up their mp cost generally increases as well. Icebolt is a very good example, and it's a very newb friendly spell and easy to rank, and very easy to quickly find yourself chugging the mana. Another note about elves is that they have cheaper casting costs on some spells, ice spear comes to mind there. Though that is also argueably the hardest spell to get, also one of the strongest.
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 06:51:00 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 06:53:41 pm
Do note you have to be on the same channel in the server to whisper each other.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 06:55:53 pm
As for where I am, I'm wandering the world right now looking for things to do, likely going to try and grab parties for Ciar and level a bit more, then try to improve my metalcrafting.
Post by: Praecordia on January 08, 2012, 07:19:53 pm
You get ducats, gold and EXP from selling *Spider Silk Gloves* and the other things the goblins sell.
Post by: Sonlirain on January 08, 2012, 07:26:07 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 08:40:03 pm
Found a series of tutorial videos on the website called Lorna and Pan. Still valid, or badly outdated?
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 08, 2012, 08:45:08 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 09:28:41 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 09:43:08 pm
Well, the launcher finally says that Mabi is ready, so I'll go ahead and start playing.
Post by: alexwazer on January 08, 2012, 09:48:03 pm
Anyone knows why hot-keys don't work? Opening character/skill/quest windows is working fine, but I can't use hotkeys for eating, using potions or anything else it seems. Checked the options and everything should be set properly ??? I'm clueless.
Post by: Patchy on January 08, 2012, 09:56:42 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 10:00:34 pm
Also, if you're going to use email addresses for usernames, DON'T USE A CHARACTER LIMIT!
I can't log in because my address is two characters to long to enter in-game.
Goddammit. I need to go make a new address now.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 08, 2012, 10:01:29 pm
Also, I'm chilling at Tir Chonal plaza in Ch3 Alexina, name is Laur.
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 10:02:45 pm
Ok, you're forgiven, Nexon. Still...why Shakespeare? I still can't get over that...
Post by: Sirus on January 08, 2012, 10:08:25 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 09, 2012, 12:57:42 am
And that sounds weird Sirus and I have no clue whats going on there.
Post by: Praecordia on January 09, 2012, 01:01:59 am
Post by: Frumple on January 09, 2012, 01:14:14 am
So we got Alex Girl and me on, who else has made it on?I'm meandering around Filia (That's the name, right? Starting elf town, anyway) still. Level 19, chugging through the seemingly unending stream of quests they're throwing at me.
Wish I knew where to find or how to make more alchy crystal things. Wish considerably harder my D-rank water cannon didn't do about a 1/3rd the damage my F-rank bow mastery + E-rank ranged attack does.
Did the dungeon quest thing, was kinda' hilarious. Chipped the boss's health to about half using the cannon (About 50 shots worth, bleh), because it refused to move while it was on the horse. Which was good, because the bugger two-shot me, twice. Then switched over to shortbow and cut down the other half in about five attacks :-\
Inventory's fairly annoying, so far. Way too small, bleh. But I'm managing, and I really want to see if alchemy stops sucking later, heh. I just... need to find a shop or something that actually caters to alchemists. Filia doesn't seem to have one. No one'll repair my magicannon thing (Cylinder, tube, whatever) :(
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 09, 2012, 01:16:16 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 09, 2012, 01:18:47 am
And yeah, elves don't do alchemy. That's a human thing. You're going to find pathetic gear and no repairs in elf-town. Additionally, alchemy tends to be extremely subjective, when used right it can be amazing, but it's normally garbage. I'm not even sure where you found a cylinder in elf country...
Post by: Patchy on January 09, 2012, 01:18:56 am
Dlynn for me
Laur for Girl
Donryu for Alex
I'm currently melee, though that can change as I havent settled on it for sure.
Post by: Sirus on January 09, 2012, 01:25:21 am
Sirus, can you launch it from the folder? I'm able to start it without going to the website.I can start it from the folder, but then I had to log in and couldn't because my email address was too long.
Doesn't matter now, since I went ahead and made a new address, and used that instead.
Anyway, just checking in because the game crashed on me. I don't really know what I'm doing, but somehow I'm already level 11 and cursing the insanely limited inventory space. Who thought that making a 2 x 2 item for holding gold was a good idea?! I also somehow picked up duplicate books and I have no idea how to enchant stuff, yet I have 4 scrolls that will become useless in a few hours.
In short: this game is weird.
Fake Edit: I'm an undecided character. I wasn't sure if choosing a destiny would limit me forever, so when I heard that I could choose a destiny at my next rebirth I decided to give it a shot.
Character's name is Anakha. I'll be wandering lost around the human starting area, trying to figure out a way to not waste my scrolls.
Post by: Patchy on January 09, 2012, 01:35:07 am
Post by: Frumple on January 09, 2012, 01:36:13 am
And yeah, elves don't do alchemy. That's a human thing. You're going to find pathetic gear and no repairs in elf-town. Additionally, alchemy tends to be extremely subjective, when used right it can be amazing, but it's normally garbage. I'm not even sure where you found a cylinder in elf country...Narblefarble, bleh. I guess I'll migrate after finishing up the Filia quests (assuming they ever finish, oi.). I haven't even really left Filia yet, just been running through the quests the townfolk keep throwing at me.
As for the cylinder, I started with it. Chose alchemist for destiny, etc. Gave me that, 300 water crystals, and a flat hundred of the other three. Down to about 170 water now, though :-\
Any suggestions on using it the 'right' way?
Alchemy stuff is generally in Tailltean and and Tara towns. You can use the continent warp action to move to dunbarton and then head north west to tailtean. Also if you aren't on channel 3, go there and we can whisper each other. Cross channel whispering doesnt work. Also your chars name would be nice xPDirections! Thanks. As for name, Frumple is Frumple. I was on channel 3 the last few hours, at least. About to go to sleep for the night, though.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 09, 2012, 01:42:06 am
Man I hope it's not like this for Maplestory too (not sure if I should actually give in to the pressure from friends aaa so much indecisiveness), that was kind of a pain.
Post by: Omegameep on January 09, 2012, 07:07:46 am
Post by: HLBeta on January 09, 2012, 08:44:30 am
Come to channel 1 and send one of us a whisper. We're gettin ready to do a few runs and you can join in.Which server is this on? If I'm going to have to slog through the tutorial again, I'd really only want to do it once.
Post by: Sirian on January 09, 2012, 09:11:36 am
Right now i'm trying to get it to work with various tricks, i'll let you know if it works.
Edit : using "Hotspot shield" didnt work. First i tried logging in normally, typing my account+pass ingame, but it reacted as if the information was incorrect. When i logged on the website it told me i needed to reactivate my account due to suspicious activity. I did, and this time i logged on the website and then launched the game from there, skipping the game login screen, but when i pressed the play button, it told me "Not a service area" again. If you have any tips to make it work, i'd like to hear them. In the meantime i'll try using different proxies.
Edit 2: Still not working, it seems that all the known ways to bypass the region lock have been patched, and since there are EU servers now, i'm guessing that people aren't trying to bypass it anymore, so all the tricks out there are outdated. Anyone interested to play on the EU servers ? I think i'll download the EU client in a couple days and play there, so it would be nice to be on the same server.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 09, 2012, 02:23:58 pm
It appears the friends list is still borked, so perhaps we could make a Steam group to better communicate when we're online (ie, when we're in the steam chatroom), and when events are happening. Daily jousting, dungeon runs, and monday production groups could be handled through the steam event planning.
Post by: Seriyu on January 09, 2012, 04:40:35 pm
Okay I'm guessing the download link on the Clients and Patches tab is jacked up or something and doesn't work. Instead, I'm going to try the automatically-downloading one from just clicking Play.
Man I hope it's not like this for Maplestory too (not sure if I should actually give in to the pressure from friends aaa so much indecisiveness), that was kind of a pain.
I'm pretty sure that download uses Pandro Media Booster which is fine for the length of the download, but be sure to uninstall it after you're done, unless you like random lag spikes. :P
Post by: Pillow_Killer on January 09, 2012, 06:49:38 pm
*login*
"Bla bla bla security measure deactivated, reactivate email"
*check email, click link, enter password*
*There has been an error in the service*
*enter new password, try to change it again*
"The activation link was not recognized"
*Well, let's try to send a new one*
...11 emails later...
*Oh screw this, Ill just register a new one*
*You do not meet the requirements to register for an account.*
What? why?
*Try diffrent dates, from 10 to 70 year old birth dates*
"You do not meet the requirements to register for an account."
*Fine, Ill try the reactivation again.*
...3 emails later...
*Hey it worked, time to log-in in-game!*
"Not a service area"
What, region lock? Fine, lets try that solution with hotspot on their forum
*Works, logins, freezes for a second...*
"Server unreachable"
...
...
........
And that's why I am going to recommend you to stay away from this game.
Post by: Sirus on January 09, 2012, 07:30:14 pm
Post by: ein on January 09, 2012, 08:00:04 pm
On that note, I decided to download this again~
Vaettfang on Alexina, usually channel 4, but channels are irrelevant anyway~
And yeah, a steam group might be nice for communicating~
Especially if you can't msg across channels~
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 09, 2012, 08:22:46 pm
Still have to install though. Man why can't these things come in zips or rars or something? They'd still be big but at least they'd be quicker. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding and it'd create more complications or something.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 09, 2012, 08:37:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 09, 2012, 08:45:16 pm
Still have to do the after-install-patch though. Man what a pain. Part of why I hesitate returning to Nexon.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 10, 2012, 04:14:51 am
Post by: Sirus on January 10, 2012, 04:20:53 am
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DwarfnogiWill join. Will Steam's overlay work for Mabinogi?
Post by: Girlinhat on January 10, 2012, 04:24:15 am
Can also do events, like advertising jousting events (great prizes there) or production parties or dungeon runs. Monday seems a very Dwarven day to organize things, as you get +success on crafting.
Post by: Sirus on January 10, 2012, 04:25:18 am
Post by: majikero on January 10, 2012, 09:11:40 am
Post by: Ivefan on January 10, 2012, 09:32:12 am
I think it's possible to bypass the region lock. I manage to play this in the Philippines.What method? temporary resident of japan and I can't log on.
Post by: majikero on January 10, 2012, 12:01:58 pm
Post by: Akura on January 10, 2012, 01:43:23 pm
unless you like random lag spikes. :PAnd spyware.
But anyways. I know I've got a character on Alexina, but without a home internet connection, I can't play. Dual-wielding fluted short swords is pretty fun though.
Post by: Patchy on January 10, 2012, 02:09:01 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on January 10, 2012, 05:56:26 pm
Post by: alexwazer on January 10, 2012, 06:00:05 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Dwarfnogi
^ Steam group
Joined, I'll be available for some slave labor (mining) or whatever else later on.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 10, 2012, 07:29:09 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 10, 2012, 07:48:32 pm
Giants are considerably more enjoyable in the early game than elves. I've been murdering things with a giant tree trunk. I mean, you actually knock down trees, pick up part of the remains, and then beat on things with it. It... it's great.
I do switch over to the fist-things Nao gave me for going warrior, though, for stuff like killing ancient critters. I'm finding it way too hilarious I was doing more damage <lvl9 than my elf was <lvl20. Though the giant is level 16, already.
Incidentally, someone said something about 10cm gem things selling for a lot. How much would a garnet go for?
And a 4cm diamond?
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 10, 2012, 10:19:38 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 11, 2012, 01:39:01 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 11, 2012, 01:46:32 am
Post by: Sirus on January 11, 2012, 02:29:28 am
Post by: Frumple on January 11, 2012, 03:01:49 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 11, 2012, 03:34:11 am
Post by: Sirus on January 11, 2012, 03:40:26 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 11, 2012, 04:39:18 am
This is extremely important, namely for the few items the homestead provides for production. Furnaces run constantly, for free, with a small boost thanks to nearby items. Anvils get the same boost. Loom and spinning wheel get similar boosts from different items. Fishing and herb gardens are available as well, as is a chopping block for firewood, though there's no workbench so you cannot refine your firewood.
The biggest benefits here are 1: Unlimited free smelting, with bonus to success, 2: Free herb garden for potions, and most importantly 3: You can access your homestead from anywhere. This means you can go looking for ore fragments on the beach, and then quickly go smelt them without traveling all the way back to Bangor.
Post by: Sirian on January 11, 2012, 06:51:55 am
So, if you're playing on the EU servers, let me know which server you're using and i'll join this one.
Edit : it seems that i can't create a new character due to a bug. There are already threads on their forums about it and people say that it has been like that for a month...
Post by: Tellemurius on January 11, 2012, 02:19:45 pm
Post by: Zyro on January 12, 2012, 08:41:11 am
Clicked on shortcut:Even when I log in, it says the game hasn't been downloaded and I reinstall it twice.
Restart computer:When I try again, 500 internal server error for several times and then it moves back to denying the game has been installed.
Post for help:..........
Post by: freeformschooler on January 12, 2012, 08:53:28 am
1) My ISP blocks or at least throttles P2P communications. Even encrypting my downloads doesn't stop P2P downloads from forcing my connection to drop over and over.
2) Pando Media Booster, which Mabinogi uses to download to your computer, makes you download Mabinogi via P2P.
3) There is literally no way for me to use Mabinogi Downloader without PMB.exe. If I force it to quit, it immediately starts again unless I stop the download.
So am I stuck or is there a direct download link somewhere?
Post by: Frumple on January 12, 2012, 09:37:05 am
So with all that said, here's (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Support/client.aspx) the download link. Use the direct download link that's hidden below the giant button, as the giant button uses pando media booster to download the game (I think). I wouldn't call it malware, but it does basically seed a torrent for the client without your permission, which is a huge deal if you are on limited bandwith.
Quote from: Mab's download site
If you have download problems with the Downloader, or would prefer to get the game client the old fashioned way, click here.
Post by: freeformschooler on January 12, 2012, 09:51:21 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 12, 2012, 12:39:22 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 12, 2012, 04:18:56 pm
Friends list is working again, so communicating is a lot easier. Steam group is still up, "DF - Mabinogi Chapter".
Post by: Girlinhat on January 12, 2012, 06:08:56 pm
Crafting can be grindy if you're doing it wrong. Ore can be boring, as that's either using a metallurgy sieve to pick bits of rock out of the sand, or diving into a dungeon with a sword and a pick to harvest ore, defeat the ogre guardians, and come out to cast it all in the fire. Group mining can be very fun, and we've been doing 3-5 person expeditions into ore-gathering and dungeon completion. Weaving is one of the worst, though, as that involves a lot of sheep... There is no greater boredom than endlessly sheering sheep. You could get help though, I wouldn't mind donating some time to wool collection.
Biggest thing is, if we all tackle things as a group, and spend time bumping one player's crafting skills, then things go a lot quicker and a lot more fun. So far we've been group-efforting rather well!
Post by: Frumple on January 12, 2012, 06:16:20 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 12, 2012, 06:20:47 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 12, 2012, 06:28:18 pm
I guess the Mabinogi answer to it is "Sheep."
Post by: alexwazer on January 12, 2012, 07:20:27 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 12, 2012, 08:16:08 pm
Post by: ein on January 12, 2012, 11:29:19 pm
Yes. Yes, it is.
I guess the Mabinogi answer to it is "Sheep."
Too bad everything's gaelic; should be welsh~~ :b
Post by: Singularity125 on January 13, 2012, 09:12:54 pm
"You last played Mabinogi at 20:00 on 2/18/2010." Damn that's a while ago. xD
Post by: Girlinhat on January 13, 2012, 09:15:21 pm
Post by: Akura on January 14, 2012, 12:08:30 pm
.Post by: Girlinhat on January 14, 2012, 12:19:12 pm
Spoiler: C:\User\<Username>\Documents\Mabinogi\Screenshots (click to show/hide)
Post by: OwlEpicurus on January 14, 2012, 01:06:46 pm
Post by: ein on January 14, 2012, 01:13:36 pm
You don't really need to know anything special other than that it's a LOOOOOONG walk~
Also, stop at the mana tunnels on your way there, just to have them marked on your map to make travel easier next time~
Post by: OwlEpicurus on January 14, 2012, 01:17:45 pm
Filia is a lot easier than Vales~
You don't really need to know anything special other than that it's a LOOOOOONG walk~
Also, stop at the mana tunnels on your way there, just to have them marked on your map to make travel easier next time~
Thanks.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 14, 2012, 01:20:25 pm
Filia isn't hard to get to, just takes a while. Zoom out the map, set some waypoints, and wait. Or sit at the mana tunnel and beg for a ride, people are usually nice enough to let you mount of their pets and travel briefly.
I don't think any monsters will aggro you though, so a direct walk across the desert is easy, albeit slow. Keep in mind that elves can't dual-wield, use two-handed weapons, or use heavy armor. Giants and single-hand a human's two-handed sword for some great dps + shield, but can't wear many items. Humans are the "standard" of the game, with most equipment tailored to fit humans in some way. Plus with heavy armor + shield a human can mount some impressive defense. With my current blacksmithing streak, I can almost produce armor, so it may be worth going human if you like big armor. Of course, if you're going ranged at all then elves really give you a boost. Shame that elves are basically made of paper though...
Post by: OwlEpicurus on January 14, 2012, 01:39:16 pm
You could make a new account if you really wanted a human, or delete your character and wait like 7 days. Or pay.
Filia isn't hard to get to, just takes a while. Zoom out the map, set some waypoints, and wait. Or sit at the mana tunnel and beg for a ride, people are usually nice enough to let you mount of their pets and travel briefly.
I don't think any monsters will aggro you though, so a direct walk across the desert is easy, albeit slow. Keep in mind that elves can't dual-wield, use two-handed weapons, or use heavy armor. Giants and single-hand a human's two-handed sword for some great dps + shield, but can't wear many items. Humans are the "standard" of the game, with most equipment tailored to fit humans in some way. Plus with heavy armor + shield a human can mount some impressive defense. With my current blacksmithing streak, I can almost produce armor, so it may be worth going human if you like big armor. Of course, if you're going ranged at all then elves really give you a boost. Shame that elves are basically made of paper though...
I was planning on making my next character ranged anyways, so getting an elf seemed like a pretty logical choice. I'm glad to hear about the monsters - my current character isn't all that strong and would probably die constantly.
Also, are all the NPCs dead on Alexina, too?
Post by: Girlinhat on January 14, 2012, 02:00:25 pm
Post by: OwlEpicurus on January 14, 2012, 02:12:27 pm
Post by: alexwazer on January 14, 2012, 02:59:41 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on January 14, 2012, 03:23:56 pm
All they need to do, if they can't prevent the hax, is allow players to use Phoenix feathers on downed NPCs. Or just let us talk to them. Oh well. :/
Post by: Girlinhat on January 14, 2012, 03:31:52 pm
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 14, 2012, 03:40:22 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 14, 2012, 04:24:51 pm
Post by: Omegameep on January 14, 2012, 10:06:03 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 14, 2012, 10:09:31 pm
Post by: Sirian on January 15, 2012, 10:31:20 am
They've been down since this morning. No signs of coming back or a "hey, yeah, we know that's not right," either.
Real pity it had to be this weekend, too. In the meantime, XCOM delivers quite nicely.
What is XCOM ? Also, it seems that the NA servers have it easy in comparison to the EU servers : here we can't create new characters, and there is something called "blackrobing hack", and it's apparently really nasty (like all your items deleted, you're stuck somewhere and can't go away, i think)
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 15, 2012, 10:49:20 am
Something about her getting cheated on in-game once or something.
Post by: Frumple on January 15, 2012, 11:18:43 am
What is XCOM ????
X-COM is X-COM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-COM), one of the best games ever made and a preeminent example of "Tactical Turn-based Game Done Right." There's like a dozen LPs for one of the primary games in the series (Enemy Unknown, Terror from the Deep, Apocalypse) on this forum alone :P
You should probably get around to playing it. Either Enemy Unknown or Apocalypse would be my suggestion, primarily the former to get you started.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 15, 2012, 11:44:58 am
Got it downloaded but my girlfriend wont let me play without her :PYou should get a new girlfriend, otherwise our beautiful dwarfmance will never flourish.
Something about her getting cheated on in-game once or something.
Or you should convince her that DF is online and that she should play that as well.
Post by: alexwazer on January 15, 2012, 07:55:01 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 15, 2012, 08:55:16 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 15, 2012, 09:32:07 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 15, 2012, 11:47:46 pm
Spoiler: Awesomemask (click to show/hide)
Also need a better robe, but eh. That thing's made the whole event worth it to me, hehehe.
Post by: OwlEpicurus on January 16, 2012, 12:18:34 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 16, 2012, 01:18:12 am
I'll remove that note about the broken friend's list now though.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 16, 2012, 04:21:05 am
Main things to store in the vault are phoenix feathers, bandages, hammer, ingots, several recipes for stock items, and a lot of holy water. Any more thoughts on what's needed to keep playing after everyone else has wussed out?
Post by: etgfrog on January 16, 2012, 04:21:20 am
Post by: Girlinhat on January 16, 2012, 04:25:06 am
If you join the Steam group, I'll post an announcement when the NPCs are revived.
Post by: Sirian on January 16, 2012, 04:28:18 am
Oh, i see, i remember playing "UFO : Afterlight", I think it's part of the series but i'm not a huge fan of the genre. End of the derail though.What is XCOM ????
X-COM is X-COM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-COM), one of the best games ever made and a preeminent example of "Tactical Turn-based Game Done Right." There's like a dozen LPs for one of the primary games in the series (Enemy Unknown, Terror from the Deep, Apocalypse) on this forum alone :P
You should probably get around to playing it. Either Enemy Unknown or Apocalypse would be my suggestion, primarily the former to get you started.
Post by: sluissa on January 16, 2012, 11:01:58 am
Oh, i see, i remember playing "UFO : Afterlight", I think it's part of the series but i'm not a huge fan of the genre. End of the derail though.What is XCOM ????
X-COM is X-COM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-COM), one of the best games ever made and a preeminent example of "Tactical Turn-based Game Done Right." There's like a dozen LPs for one of the primary games in the series (Enemy Unknown, Terror from the Deep, Apocalypse) on this forum alone :P
You should probably get around to playing it. Either Enemy Unknown or Apocalypse would be my suggestion, primarily the former to get you started.
You MUST be trolling.
Post by: Sirian on January 16, 2012, 11:11:19 am
Post by: Sonlirain on January 16, 2012, 11:19:20 am
Oh, i see, i remember playing "UFO : Afterlight", I think it's part of the series but i'm not a huge fan of the genre. End of the derail though.What is XCOM ????
X-COM is X-COM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-COM), one of the best games ever made and a preeminent example of "Tactical Turn-based Game Done Right." There's like a dozen LPs for one of the primary games in the series (Enemy Unknown, Terror from the Deep, Apocalypse) on this forum alone :P
You should probably get around to playing it. Either Enemy Unknown or Apocalypse would be my suggestion, primarily the former to get you started.
You MUST be trolling.
The actua; X-Com series ended at X-Com Enforcer.
It was:
X-Com (Turn based Tacitacs)
X-Com Terror From the Deep (Turn based tactics so hard it would make Chuck Norris cry)
X-Com Apocalypse (Turn Based or Real time tactics... however the game seems to be made with real time in mind.)
X-Com Interceptor (Space shooter)
X-Com Enforcer (Arcade robot alienstomping clusterfuck)
The UFO trilogy is a Different series altogether (heavily inspired by X-Com tho).
Post by: Patchy on January 16, 2012, 11:24:07 am
well...decided to give the game a try...found every npc dead...so whatever "fix" was going on...didn't work...while i can figure out what to do...i suspect i wont be able to do much besides randomly grind my initial icebolt and weapon skills....
Yeah, that is rough. Though new players can learn counterattack manually by attacking something that uses it. A wolf is a good target for this as they use it reasonably often. And counter goes well with icebolt, though I'd prefer firebolt.
Post by: etgfrog on January 16, 2012, 11:56:12 am
Yeah, that is rough. Though new players can learn counterattack manually by attacking something that uses it. A wolf is a good target for this as they use it reasonably often. And counter goes well with icebolt, though I'd prefer firebolt.while yes...i managed to get counterattack...i guess i dont realy like the idea of trying to go through the game without any tutorial quests besides the initial dialog...i dont even think its posible to do the time limited quest i got while i was running arround...as for spell choice...didn't get a choice, got the ice book from initial destiny, logged off for a few hours, logged back on to find everything dead and a bunch of quests that are starting to pile up as i level up...
Post by: ein on January 16, 2012, 12:52:19 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 16, 2012, 12:53:05 pm
Last time NPCs were down for ~36 hours or so. This is clearly an attack and they're not just gonna shrug and leave it. The hackers did pick a good time though, as Nexon/DevCat is terrible and takes weekends off, including 3 day holiday weekends. Tuesday should (hopefully) see some knuckle-cracking and bug-fixing on the devs' part. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another reboot today, really.
Attacks and hacks happen to any company. Nexon is doing fairly bad by not reacting quickly (or at all), but they can't really be blamed for bad luck. So, it's currently just a matter of being chill and entertaining yourself the old fashioned way.
Post by: Patchy on January 16, 2012, 03:01:58 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 17, 2012, 07:56:38 pm
We did dungeon runs without them though. Luckily as a smith, I can create weapons. I made a few short swords and battle short swords for temporary use, hopefully I can skill up to the point that I can produce real powerful weapons that we can discard and/or sell later. I'm currently taking precautions to ensure that future apocalyptic events won't completely shut down our actions. A stockpile of ingots, blacksmith manuals, holy water, and bandages will ensure proper dungeoneering despite any loss of NPC.
Post by: HLBeta on January 17, 2012, 09:20:15 pm
Post by: fred1248 on January 18, 2012, 02:48:54 am
Since the relocation, they're doing pretty damn shitty job in Korea. I dunno about NA, but I'm damn sure they're doing a very good job in Japan.
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 18, 2012, 03:03:04 am
Post by: fred1248 on January 18, 2012, 04:12:58 am
I'm not a real big fan of F2P games 'cause F2P usually means Pay 2 Win. This is all director Jae Ho Han's fault. The game was perfactly fine when Nark was in charge. He made the first 2 chapters of the game (from G1 to G9) Than this random fag, Jae Ho turned up and screwed up the story, screwed up the playerbase, turned the game into a Freemium game, and started selling stupid premium items and stuff.
I hope Mabinogi 2 doesn't get fucked over like the first one. 'Cause if it does, I swear to god something really bad's going to happen to those developers.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 18, 2012, 05:14:09 am
Post by: Tellemurius on January 18, 2012, 05:44:03 am
Point me out ANY company, developer, or publisher that doesn't fail (aside from Toady, though it could be argued that his time between releases makes him eligible for fail). Can we just agree that every gamer hates every game company because of their shitty standards/terrible story/bad marketing/whatever reason. I mean, really? Have you ever seen a game company where the public opinion was "I'm happy with this"?Bullfrog? Squaresoft? Origin?
Post by: Croquantes on January 18, 2012, 10:16:53 am
Is this what they call sarcasm? I can't really tell. I'm horrible at detecting it. :(Point me out ANY company, developer, or publisher that doesn't fail (aside from Toady, though it could be argued that his time between releases makes him eligible for fail). Can we just agree that every gamer hates every game company because of their shitty standards/terrible story/bad marketing/whatever reason. I mean, really? Have you ever seen a game company where the public opinion was "I'm happy with this"?Bullfrog? Squaresoft? Origin?
Post by: sluissa on January 18, 2012, 10:18:27 am
All of your examples don't exist anymore.
Bullfrog
Squaresoft has one of the most divided opinions among game companies, with some praising them as saints and others saying they're ruining the Game industry with their lacklustre game play and storytelling. Even they don't exist as "Squaresoft" anymore, having half a dozen different divisions around the world and having merged with Eidos and Enix.
Origin got bought out by EA and had all of their projects cancelled and if I had to be picky, the early Ultima games were really... really... weird, even if it did end up being a fairly solid series.
EDIT: Sorry, was mistaken, Bullfrog also got eaten up by EA.
Post by: Frumple on January 18, 2012, 11:54:51 am
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Counterattack#Human
The game's pretty sandboxy, yeah. Outside of following the storyline junk, there doesn't seem to be much direction other than 'wander around, check junk out, get stronger.' Little things like the homestead or trading, but it's mostly just go-where-you-need-to-go-to-get-stronger, insofar as direction goes, at least from what I've seen so far.
It could stand to be a lil'more clear on exactly where that place to go is, though :P
Post by: Rose on January 18, 2012, 12:00:28 pm
Post by: Frumple on January 18, 2012, 12:18:23 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 18, 2012, 01:38:41 pm
As for the "why to get stronger" it's to survive different dungeons, raise different skills to the point where they may change slightly (windmill's radius grows, blacksmithing lets you make better gear, etc), and to try certain areas like the raft ride or the hot-air balloon. Of course, rafting and ballooning aren't worth it alone, they're fun but short. You can argue "Why would I want to level up just to fight a different dungeon?" Well, if that's your opinion then MMOs aren't for you :P Each dungeon does have a different feel and purpose. Run Barri for ore, or Math (poor translation of Mars?) for leather, etc.
Post by: Rose on January 18, 2012, 02:04:49 pm
Well, if that's your opinion then MMOs aren't for you :P
MMOs aren't for me. At least, every one I've tried relied too much on the leveling to keep you going rather than making the combat itself fun.
That, and the themepark aspect seriously turns me off.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 18, 2012, 02:13:22 pm
Mabi, however, demands more attention of you. You have a variety of weapons, swords, axes, bows, magic, etc which all act a differently from each other, a variety of tactics for each weapon, smash, defense, magnum shot, arrow revolver, lance charge, icebolt, firebolt, etc, a wider variety of reactions to enemy movements, defense vs smash, counterattack vs icebolt, cobra vs magnum shot, etc, and then some amount of random variables that can change a particular fight. Particularly, bows can miss and critical hits can sometimes change the flow of a fight.
For being a "traditional MMO" compared to titles like Vindictus which are very unconventional, Mabinogi does a fantastic job of making you pay attention to your actions, and that helps keep player interest. Not to mention that it gets fun with a group.
Post by: Rose on January 18, 2012, 02:15:16 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 18, 2012, 06:42:51 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on January 20, 2012, 09:44:46 pm
Xandak -- Alexina
Post by: Patchy on January 23, 2012, 02:53:07 pm
Post by: Infuriated on January 27, 2012, 12:11:02 am
SO, a few questions.
1.) Is it possible to play the game just crafting? Is this way of life fun?
2.) What's the optimal age for such a character? I realize you age inevitably, I don't care if I start out underpowered if it pays off more in the long run
3.) Is the Bay12 community still playing Mabinogi?
I don't really have time at the moment to read through the entire thread, so thanks for any input in advance.
Post by: ein on January 27, 2012, 12:52:57 am
You COULD only craft and get exp through that, but you still need to be able to get money and be able to fight things~
2) Probably start at 17~
You have daily rebirths until you reach cum level 100~
3) Yeah, just little thread posting, we're all in the steam group~
Post by: Girlinhat on January 27, 2012, 02:22:51 am
So, if you choose, you can pursue crafting skills primarily, but you'll have plenty of chances to work on combat skills and enjoy the dwarfy dungeon side.
2: You can rebirth to age 10 to 17. 10 has additional luck and other stats, 17 has more str, dex, and int, with the major issue being that luck cannot be gained through any real means - there's no skills to raise luck. BUT! Playing free, you can rebirth at age 20, so the vast majority of players rebirth to 17 and then rebirth for free at 20, which is a 3 week period. When you rebirth, you save all your skills, but your level goes to 0. So you can level up again and make an easy 30 AP after rebirth, allowing your skills to grow much faster. If you go for 10, then you've got two and a half months to wait, or buy (real money) a character card to rebirth when you choose.
You CAN go young, but you end up hobbling your progress. Plus it looks weird when you're 2 foot tall.
3: Yes. We're on steam groups "Dwarf Fortress: Mabinogi Chapter". We're on daily, working to progress each other and fulfill various skill and quest requirements. The others have helped me with my refining, which involves a LOT of ore to smelt, and we've been working on getting etgfrog the Ice Spear skill, though that's proving impossible at our level. We go on group dungeon runs very frequently, and will go harvesting for resources when one of us needs crafting supplies, as well as hunting down luxury items and pooling resources. Certain daunting tasks, like "collect the pages for Fireball skill book" have been a lot easier since we'll all go through and try to find the pages.
Yeah, we're very active, a solid 4 of us usually, some 7-ish who come and go overall, and in proper dwarven fashion we'll gladly and blindly follow the commands of an unseen overseer who's will is unknowable and dangerous, but we're assured that it's for the collective good and we're all about communist assistance.
Post by: Seriyu on January 27, 2012, 09:38:12 pm
EDIT: As a note, is there anything inparticular we need in the group? I mostly just like helping out, so if I'm mining ore we already have 200 of I'll likely lose interest pretty quickly, although if there's really NOTHING I can prolly get by.
Also I've added xandak to the OP and added the race value for people that didn't have it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 27, 2012, 11:21:15 pm
The name's Samrot, and I'll try and sort out the issues above. It probably has to do with me and my gazillion and three programs running in the background.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on January 28, 2012, 01:37:18 pm
EDIT: It's downloaded, but the registration page isn't loading right. Can't see the captcha. :/
Post by: Seriyu on January 28, 2012, 06:08:15 pm
Post by: Simmura McCrea on January 28, 2012, 07:08:19 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 28, 2012, 10:03:47 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 28, 2012, 11:02:37 pm
It's getting kind've rediculous.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 28, 2012, 11:13:21 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 29, 2012, 01:16:46 am
Just got back on after taking a break and still no animals, so I'm curious.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 29, 2012, 01:35:18 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 29, 2012, 02:03:36 am
EDIT: And by that I mean much later today. It's getting late, what can I say.
Post by: Neyvn on January 29, 2012, 03:34:36 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on January 29, 2012, 09:02:25 am
Try to register using IE. I've noticed some quirks with Nexon and Firefox, and the default browser for Mabinogi ads brings up IE.IE's doing the same thing as Firefox, just sitting there loading forever and not getting anywhere. Opera's the only one that's getting anything, and that doesn't work either.
Post by: Neyvn on January 29, 2012, 09:08:05 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 29, 2012, 05:35:29 pm
IE's doing the same thing as Firefox, just sitting there loading forever and not getting anywhere. Opera's the only one that's getting anything, and that doesn't work either.
I'm really just kinda guessing at this point but, have you tried chrome? I managed to sign up with that. Also you might try signing up for nexon's website on another game's sign in page, (maplestory, combat arms, somethin) as it uses a universal login thing.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on January 29, 2012, 06:48:21 pm
EDIT: Chrome loads the page much faster, but no better.
Post by: Patchy on January 29, 2012, 07:37:59 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 29, 2012, 07:45:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 29, 2012, 07:47:33 pm
EDIT: Servers still down, but there's an update. Seems like the maintenance is pretty intensive as opposed to just taking ages for no readily apparent reason, so maybe trying to solve the channel crashing issues? Who knows.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 30, 2012, 10:18:41 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2012, 05:43:43 pm
Post by: alexwazer on January 30, 2012, 06:36:19 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on January 30, 2012, 06:50:49 pm
Rundown:
Crafting becomes useless, mostly because of ...
The monsters keep on increasing Defense/Protection, meaning later dungeons are ever more harder without taking one of the minmaxed trees (Mainly 'Everyone must be a fighter, max out Defense, Combat, Smash, then become a wizard).
Trade system: Renders all non-Fomorian weapons obsolete. You can trade for ducats and use them to buy overpowered Fomorian weapons.
It has been more than a year since the last meaningful Life skill update.
Archers are useless. Even elven ones.
Railroading everyone into a fighter, then nerfing one of a fighter's best skills (Windmill - ignores Defense or Protection, forgot which)... (sigh)
... Still, it's a very fun game.
It just came under the wrong director, someone named Moon.
Erm.... Did the updates hit yet?
Also, do you have a bunch of 'kits' (cash) hit yet?
Anyways, I wish I could join : it sounds very fun, the coop.
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2012, 06:53:23 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on January 30, 2012, 06:58:40 pm
Erm.... Actually, does the American server have a lively P2P market? In Dunbarten?
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2012, 07:33:02 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 30, 2012, 09:30:16 pm
There will be nay-saying at every update. I personally don't put a lot of faith in any of it, especially if the word is coming from korean servers. While the Koreans have things a bit before us, they don't always implement things in the same way, and foreboding and parade-raining will do no good.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 01, 2012, 09:35:23 pm
(shudders)
Post by: Girlinhat on February 06, 2012, 06:45:47 pm
I'm preparing to make a guild. New guilds have a 5 player limit (and require 5 to start) but a very low requirement for upgrade. Very shortly we'll be able to accommodate B12's Mabinogi base.
Post by: Seriyu on February 08, 2012, 11:38:43 pm
EDIT: In hindsight I could've popped in the chat and said this, ooooohhh well
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 09, 2012, 02:30:01 am
I'll be back one day though hopefully.
Post by: Seriyu on February 11, 2012, 08:03:41 am
Better time then ever to jump in. It's a very helpful group, don't be shy!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 11, 2012, 01:37:52 pm
Post by: Neyvn on February 11, 2012, 02:12:26 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 11, 2012, 04:37:38 pm
Post by: Neyvn on February 11, 2012, 05:02:34 pm
...ok? So am I?Well I am crashing like 10mins into the game, I can't even make a character or continue with my old one before I crash...
Post by: Seriyu on February 11, 2012, 06:27:26 pm
Post by: Sirus on February 11, 2012, 06:29:58 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 11, 2012, 06:48:03 pm
Post by: Neyvn on February 11, 2012, 07:54:33 pm
Post by: Seriyu on February 12, 2012, 02:41:36 am
And to anyone looking into this game because of the bump, the server is currently experincing some major latency issues, so maybe check back later. I intend to update the thread with some screenshots of more eventful runs maybe, to drum up some interest hopefully.
Post by: krisslanza on February 16, 2012, 10:22:26 am
Man, years ago I was so against the idea of server transfers... but now... no one likes Mari anymore. Probably because of all that drama that has originated from it since the game launched, and that Alexinia was a new, fresh start for people at a time.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 10:29:41 am
Post by: krisslanza on February 16, 2012, 10:32:49 am
Guild stone is in Cobh, directly left of the Dunby entrance by the small house that's there all on its own. We're always accepting migrants. Even if you're making a new character, we can help buff you up quickly, and you can buff just fine on your own because the commerce system is overpowered. 80k exp for 5-10 minutes of walking.
Commerce is awesome indeed.
It would just be hard to pry myself away from a character that's been on the game since day 1. And the, like... 20+ pets on Mari. Not that I have a particularly powerful character, given I'm lazy as all heck and used to rebirth when 3 weeks rolled around, when I usually didn't even get level 20.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 16, 2012, 12:49:08 pm
Got a reason to hook up with a Bay12 group on Alexina? Much as you may have, it's all useless if you can't be motivated to play on that server.
Post by: krisslanza on February 16, 2012, 01:04:51 pm
Hey well, it works like this. How's Mari going for you? Got anyone good to play with? Got any reason to get on Mari?
Got a reason to hook up with a Bay12 group on Alexina? Much as you may have, it's all useless if you can't be motivated to play on that server.
Gasp, logic.
Really the only thing keeping me on Mari is the random people I find that like to talk, the fact I've got a lot of time (and real money) invested into it...
I will however, keep all this in mind. I need to stop distracting myself from working on my DF mod, heh...
Post by: Patchy on February 16, 2012, 03:31:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on February 17, 2012, 05:51:00 am
Post by: krisslanza on February 20, 2012, 05:14:21 pm
Yeah, if you haven't made your elf/giant from allying with one of them yet then they can be on a different server then your human.
Yeah I already did though...
There is that Destiny card sale. I might buy one and use it for Alexinia, so at least I'm not starting from complete barebones.
I'm not sure what I want to play though. Female giants look really cool in some of the giant armor... but a melee elf is fun to try as well. And then a warrior human is still fun, and gets to use a lot more neat armor due to the fact giants have, like... 5 armors, maybe.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2012, 05:53:12 pm
Humans can use magic to its potential though, where giants get a lot of drawbacks on their magic, so take that how you will.
Post by: krisslanza on February 20, 2012, 05:57:46 pm
Giants are alleged to get ego knuckles and brawler skills, which would make for a downright terrifying fighter that can score 6-hit combos strong as sword swings! Then again, giants are pathologically unloved and don't get nearly as much equipment as humans or elves. Although, if you skill it right, that ranged attack can pretty much kill anything in one astonishing blow.
Humans can use magic to its potential though, where giants get a lot of drawbacks on their magic, so take that how you will.
Yeah true. Giants have almost no equipment... some of their giant-only stuff looks really neat though. Plus female Giants have... tracks of land. If you catch my drift. *buried in magma*
Humans are just always kinda fun though. I mean, they can do a bit of everything after all. They aren't the best at anything, but they aren't the worst at anything either. Plus they get Paladin! Or Dark Knight. But I don't personally like how Dark Knight looks... when you get Infrablack anyway.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2012, 06:37:31 pm
Do love my elf, just sad I can't smith any armor for myself, since blacksmithing only produces heavy armor and elves can't wear it...
Post by: krisslanza on February 20, 2012, 06:43:47 pm
DK isn't bad, got some nice skills, though I prefer paladin's look (and the great passive defense) I'm an elf so my falcon form is a badass arrow cannon. One-shot the mobs and zero-shot the bosses, falcon elf don't give a damn about your HP! Magnum spam an ogre warrior without using regular attacks LIKE A BOSS! 5 ogre warriors at the end of barri normal, forgot that I had like no arrows, took down 4 of them with 24 arrows total (6 each!). Proper Falcon is terrifying, and the wound rate on archers is about the only thing that will deal with Iria's resting rooms (they heal HP, but not wounds).
Do love my elf, just sad I can't smith any armor for myself, since blacksmithing only produces heavy armor and elves can't wear it...
I bought a Giant Warrior Destiny. I'll use it sometime and stuff. I like elves and humans and all, but I never did play my Giant much because I was... lazy.
It's a shame elves can't use heavy armor though. They'd probably look pretty nice in some of it.
And yeah, I prefer Paladin look. And the story reason behind it. I'm not really much of a RPer in Mabinogi, but I still like to act out stuff in my head and do in-character justifications for things and my human, Atropos, I just imagine as being a good ol' adventurer type that does a bit of everything.
... Actually I probably have to regrind Blacksmithing PT jobs now because I haven't played in a while, groan.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2012, 08:52:37 pm
Post by: krisslanza on February 20, 2012, 09:25:43 pm
Better to grind the blacksmithing job than to try and grind the levels on your own. Really, until you reach about blacksmithing r9, you should only have a hammer. No ingots or manuals, just use what Edern gives you.
Thats what I'm doing on my main.
I might do it again on Alexina but not sure...
Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2012, 12:15:23 am
Post by: Seriyu on February 22, 2012, 05:07:24 am
Annnnnd yeah, giants are prolly a bit under powered but not gamebreakingly so, you can definatly make it work, (is a giant). And to be frank, my opinions on giants being underpowered seem to be getting less and less valid every day as I find out more junk about them, soooo prolly take that with a grain of salt.
Annnnnd yes, knuckles are awesome, and if you wanna be a "damage dealer" as a giant, you really can't do any better. They'll be getting a (minor) situational nerf for giants in a few patches, though, as they'll take damage from will instead of strength, (Giants also get a shit ton of will). Take note though, one particularly rad giant only skill needs a shield to use, but it's also more tanky then damage deal... ey, so yeah.
Hope to see you buzzin around in the steam chat soon, always nice to have new people around!
Post by: Gizogin on February 22, 2012, 09:27:43 am
Post by: krisslanza on February 22, 2012, 11:42:14 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 22, 2012, 12:54:43 pm
Mabinogi? That's Nexon, isn't it? I play Maplestory, which is also theirs, and if Mabinogi's anywhere near as good then I'll give it a try. Is there anyone else here also plays Maplestory and could give me a quick comparison?UNCLEAN! :P
Maplestory is really different from Mabinogi, I'd say. While the focus of MS is flashy over the top skills (cough 4th job mage aoe attacks, any of these new jobs grumble grumble) Mabinogi seems to have a more complex battle system where you have to remember what beats what so you're not spamming your strongest skill all the time, you're actually thinking through things.
Now I have a (dumb) question of my own: How do you turn the graphics down? At the default prettiness level it's barely playable for me.
And how's Maplestory now? Last I played was a bit after Mechanic came out and from what I heard it's ridiculoualy easy and the new jobs suck (all that work I put onto my 106 priest aaaa)
Post by: Patchy on February 22, 2012, 02:00:38 pm
As for comparing mabi to maple.... it's like apples and oranges. The games are just way different as SirAaron pointed out.
For the guild application make sure you send Girl a pm in game. It apprently doesn't pop up a notice for her anymore when someone applys at the guildstone.
Post by: Seriyu on February 22, 2012, 05:03:40 pm
And yeah, maplestory is far different from mabinogi. I like mabinogi more for all it's worth though.
Post by: Gizogin on February 22, 2012, 11:49:29 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 12:37:07 am
Needless to say, in true dwarven style we are extremely industrious and productive, and we're only happiest when we're in over our heads in trouble.
Post by: krisslanza on February 23, 2012, 09:44:12 am
For anyone wanting to hop in, we can pretty much assure you some starting gear. At the very least, you can have a crafted sword, shield, and pickaxe in your hand within the first day. We can also assure you guild interaction, as we're doing dungeon runs all the time, and not just "eh dungeon" but "OMFG the HFS regenerates its wounds every 5 seconds!" dungeon terror. There's currently only one dungeon that we feel is too difficult, although with our track record I'd say that we might stand a chance against it. All other dungeons, we can run - and have run, some of them on Advanced difficulty (Normal > Basic > Advanced) and come out mostly alive. We dwarf it up the whole way through, and if something is too hard for us we say "Fuck you!" and do it anyways! Level 30 noobling wants to head into a level 400 dungeon? We'll get together the handful of level 100 noobs and power through it no matter what the puny "suggested level" might say!
Needless to say, in true dwarven style we are extremely industrious and productive, and we're only happiest when we're in over our heads in trouble.
Do we have magma?
Also woo, an update today. I wonder what its for... hopefully it'll fix Tara. Then watch the Ducat prices plummet there.
Post by: Seriyu on February 23, 2012, 04:58:55 pm
Post by: majikero on February 23, 2012, 06:15:43 pm
The poll said alexina. I hope it's right. Don't really want to waste my free card.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 07:21:18 pm
Post by: Praecordia on March 18, 2012, 10:45:57 pm
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Peaca#Normal
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Patchy on March 19, 2012, 01:46:20 am
Post by: Skyrunner on March 19, 2012, 03:11:39 pm
You need Windmills. And Fireballs. And... just everything :P
It's fun though***.
But really, slightly too hard dungeons are the most fun in Mabinogi IMO. It really makes that comradeship or something.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 19, 2012, 06:57:34 pm
Steam group is still up and an easy way to organize events, OP should have details.
Post by: alexwazer on April 05, 2012, 02:35:14 am
B12 guild on Alexina, Fjallheim, is still active although we could use new migrants. Patchy and I are on pretty much daily and always ready to help, mess around or both.
Nexon Europe also annouced recently that they will shutdown Mabinogi EU soon and invite their players to join NA servers, thus we can expect NA to change their localization restrictions. Hopefully, B12ers from Europe will be able to join us soon. Details can be found on NexonEU (http://mabinogi.nexoneu.com/NXEU.aspx?PART=/News/Notice&BoardIDX=412).
Also, updates! First, a recent update fixed Tara completely. Finally, Mabinogi NA has been updated to include S15 chapters 3 and 4. New skill, new stuff, merchant destiny for those interested in crafting and tough bandits now more common - and Fun - than ever to encourage teamwork while doing commerce.
Post by: Seriyu on April 05, 2012, 04:18:41 am
With that said, anyone listening, it's a great game ,and the group is really laid back too, so go ahead and jump in, it's worth it!
Post by: Girlinhat on April 05, 2012, 09:20:51 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on April 05, 2012, 11:19:12 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on April 05, 2012, 11:25:39 am
Post by: Girlinhat on April 05, 2012, 11:28:01 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on April 05, 2012, 11:29:07 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on April 05, 2012, 12:01:35 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on April 05, 2012, 12:14:52 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2012, 08:15:27 pm
Got a few days left and frankly, 7 skill reset capsules is more then enough I'd imagine. Also look at the OP, there's a steam group. Get in thurrr, it'll help arrange meetings and stuff.
Post by: Ozyton on July 05, 2012, 08:18:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2012, 08:22:09 pm
EDIT: Looking through the genesis bugs patch, there's only one really big one, namely, the NPC Lorna, has no way to leave her conversation box, so don't talk to her. Aside from that it seems mostly minor niggling things.
Post by: Patchy on July 05, 2012, 08:29:01 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 05, 2012, 08:29:50 pm
If anyone is interested in starting playing, I would be glad to help whenever I can.
Edit: Just checked the combat changes and... not sure about it at all. Still worth giving it a try.
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2012, 08:33:57 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 05, 2012, 11:01:37 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2012, 11:27:21 pm
Post by: Backlog on July 05, 2012, 11:37:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2012, 11:41:48 pm
Melee: This category is the most widely changed. Most melee skills that don't have range (IE, most things but stomp and probably throwing attack), now no longer have a load time. It's like, half a second. Cooldown is still there, and still is what will get you mauled most of the time. I did a few raft runs with alexwazer and I can confirm shit will still murder you if it multiaggros you, or if you're facing down a group of ranged enemies and you don't know what you're doing. Stuff like N+bash is now possible, much to my joy as a giant.
Ranged: Alright, Laur (girlinhat) and I did some testing (which is shorthand for Laur shot me full of arrows repeatedly), and the current idea is, you will have to relearn archery. Using the keyboard is much easier, using the mouse is much harder, Zero Shot is harder, it allows you to do more fancy stuff, etc. Single target damage may very well be a significant buff once you get used to it, mobs have become harder to deal with. Skills seem to be more important, as much like melee skills, they have no charge up time. So if you need something out of your face, loading magnum shot is probably your best bet, etc. Summary: Worry less about your normal arrow shots, and more about your skills. Also see below this post for Laur's opinion. A lot more detailed.
Magic: The least changed. As far as I'm aware, there aren't any readily noticible changes. They still have load times, they still have cooldowns, advanced magic will still throw you into the wall head first if you let it, it's all there.
Misc: A new interface bit. Details are spotty, basically all I know is that when you use smash, it'll run you straight forward and attack the thing you have targeted. Mostly something to get used to, in my opinion, although I can see where it'd be an issue. Luckily, you can turn it off. Alexwazer also reported he casted Thunder when he didn't press the button, although it only happened once so it may have just been lag or something.
Also, some neat stuff. Giants and Elves can now do G1 - G3. Annnd the Giants vs Elves thing is now players only, elves can just wander into giant town and use the NPC's all they like. Doesn't make a lot of sense plot wise, but not really a terrible thing.
So all in all, it seems pretty nice. The learning curve on melee is a bit shallower, although it still doesn't teach you anything advanced. It's a bit nasty for archers, the zero shot change means you've gotta adjust to the new zero shot, or figure some other trick out. Mages are mostly uneffected, but it wasn't exactly comprehensive testing. I haven't tried knuckles out, so I can't speak for them.
I am optimistic about this patch, it does make the game a BIT easier, but it's still a very hard game in later dungeons. No amount of load time decrease will save you from peaca ghosts. An excellent time to get into mabinogi, especially if you're interested in melee.
Post by: alexwazer on July 05, 2012, 11:57:57 pm
Overall combat is not so different: a few new combos possible (or easier to do) and a few things harder, mostly you need to wait for cooldown to load a skill instead of loading it right after using previous one... nothing a clicking spam can't handle. Ranged might be a bit harder to zero shot, but you can easy point blank magnum and other skills now, so it kinda balance for it.
Too tired to get into more details, but anyway Seriyu covered the major points already.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 06, 2012, 12:43:30 am
Except now the cooldown time works weird. Although it shows a very brief "grey" moment, you actually can't notch another arrow until the animation ends. In fact you can't even load the skill. Normally you can pre-load a skill while the previous skill's animation was still going. It would show a smaller skill icon that was semi-transparent, and once the animation ended it would become a large flashing icon as it charged, and then solid when it was ready to use. NOW, with archery at least, if you fire your bow and try to fire again, you don't get the mini-icon and pre-load. You can't use Ranged Attack again until the firing animation is finished. This results in a terribly terribly TERRIBLY slow fire speed.
Unless... you abuse the other side of things. Since skills no longer have chargeup times, that means previously nonviable skills become instant. Magnum took a moment to charge up, but it was possible to magnum-spam and defeat an enemy. Now magnum is instant-load and you just have to aim. Similarly, previously difficult skills like mirage missile and crash shot have become instant-load. Mirage had a long chargeup time, and crash shot had such a massive load time that it was unusable in combat, but great if you had a controlled situation. NOW, you can quickly throw out mirage, followed by magnum to throw them back, and trailed by crash to keep them stalled a little and knocked back further. By that time, magnum is probably ready again, and then mirage will be ready as well...
Ranged combat has definitely changed from a hail of arrows to a series of cannon shots. The flow of skills is much more like a traditional MMO where you can hotkey and go along the keyboard line, but to get maximum effectiveness you'll need to be aware of your cooldown timers and your knockback, same as ever. Smash and Crash will both knockback. Mirage and Normal will stall, and can knock back an already staggered enemy. Support shot can buy you an extra moment while another skill loads.
In a duel with Seriyu, I would set my archery skills to hotkeys, and go "2, aim, 2->3, aim, 3->4, aim, 4->2, aim, 2->3" and so on, cycling through different skills. I'm not using the mouse here because you can fire skills from the keyboard if you use the hotkey of an already active skill. That's nice as well, no more of this target-clicking nonsense. It's less effective for multi-aggro situations, but for single-enemy smackdowns it'll let you use a wider variety of skills quicker that might have been difficult otherwise. Crash shot was never a mid-combat skill, but without the huge load time it's now possible to use one of my highest ranked skills frequently.
I'm still a little undecided. In archery terms, the changes have potentially given more and more varied DPS, but at the same time has sacrificed a bit of what it means to be an archer. The frantic zero-shot isn't really possible anymore. Instead you have the backbone of the traditional Korean MMO, hotkeys and going one number to the next and back to the start again.
Post by: Seriyu on July 06, 2012, 05:27:55 pm
First of all, all of these skills can only be used with knuckles. For most of them it makes sense, but a couple would be VERY USEFUL without knuckles, and you just can't use them without knuckles. Kinda lame. Maybe they'll revert it. Nexon's been getting better about these things. On to the skills.
First you need to know, knuckles use a "combo" system. This is basically handholding, but it also results in some of the nicest animation I've seen in mabinogi since assault slash. And on top of this, you don't have to use the combos stated, you can load whatever skill you want whenever, as long as it's not using the combo buttons.
Second general knuckle knowledge, knuckles reduce the range of windmill, and decrease the load time of counterattack (Not really, the combat revamp gave normal counterattack an 0.5 second load time too so this is moot now)
First chain skills, Dashing Strike and Focused Fist. Let's look at the similarities. Both of these basically "blink" you towards an enemy. Both are still effected by windmill. The first, Dashing Strike, walks you towards the enemy, until you get in certain range, then you blink forward and hit the dude. It'll act like assault and keep you from being flinched out of it by magic and ranged attacks, and also will intercept a basic melee attack. Windmill still gets you, I think smash still gets you if they can manage to land it. It does not have even half the range of assault, however, so it's pretty useless for eating a ranged attack. Maybe it gets better with levels. Pretty straightforward. The second is a teensy bit more complex, and probably as complex as the knuckle skills get honestly. Focused fist acts basically like blaze, except after you release the chargeup button, you blink forward, like dashing strike, and slam into the dude. This also inflicts a debuff that reduces defense and protection.
Now, once you perform one of them, you can either press F1, or F2, or load a new skill.
If you press F1, you'll use Spinning uppercut. Single hit, and lowers defense and protection like Focused Fist. Pretty basic.
If you press F2, you'll use Somersault kick. Three hits, has a small chance to "daze" an enemy, preventing it from using magic or alchemy. Handy.
Both of the chain two skills that we just went over leave you open for a pretty decent amount of time. A second or two at least. Once you execute one of them, you can press F1 or F2 again, or load any other skill. This is probably prime time to use a non knuckle exclusive skill, but we'll get to that.
If you press F1 AGAIN, you'll use drop kick. This will send the opponent FLYING backwords a pretty nice distance, huge dust cloud, the chain 3 skills basically make you look like a huge badass. If the enemy hits anything with its hitbox, it'll damage it and knock it back too. Heavy stander can cancel this "mega-knockback". The enemy you are atacking can't hit you out of it, but any other enemy nearby can. Unless you're a giant, without chain mastery (a knuckle skill) at rank 9 or higher, you can't use heavy armor with this skill. Once you have chain mastery up there, you can do it for reduced damage.
If you press F2 again, you'll use pummel. You knock the dude backwords a good distance, then jump on him, and well, pummel him. A lot of damage, but leaves you open for a good long while. Advanced Heavy Stander keeps you from using this skill at all. There are three parts of the animation, the knuckles take durability damage for each specific part, not each hit. Criticals are calculated seperately for each part. If the enemy dies in one part, it will end on that one. Probably does more damage then drop kick, but also leaves you open far longer, at least 2-3 seconds. Maybe more.
If you go all the way to tier three, the enemy is miles away from you and it is prime time to switch weapons and plink at him, or load a defensive skill. The opportunity for inter-skill tree combos has ended by that point. Let's move onto the last two skills.
Tumble. If you have knuckles equipped, you leap backwards a good distance. It's a pretty good way to gain some distance, but again, knuckles only. Kinda lame.
Respite. You sit down and regenerate HP and Stamina for a short period of time. If you're interrupted you don't get any of it, and if you use magic or alchemy afterwords, it'll take 25% hp and stamina away from you. At rank 9 and above it has a chance to remove poison, for how often you encounter it. Has a two minute long cooldown. Good for solo dungeon runs I'd imagine. Doesn't repair wounds obviously. Again, need knuckles. Dumb, but whatcha gonna do.
I haven't gone over chain mastery, but it's a pretty generic "raise damage/lower cooldown for chained skills" thing.
In general, for most of these skills, if there's a penalty, it's for elves. Bonuses are for giants. Giant friendly, but not quite as much as lances. If you're using light armor you're fine as far as major penalties go.
And that's knuckles. It seems like an easier way to get into melee combat without having to learn the mechanics of skills, probably does more damage then weapon skill combat (I dunno, N+smash is actually pretty hefty for single target damage), but is limited to one dude, and leaves you open for a loooong time. Less flexible and bad defensively, but nice damage. Probably good for soloing.
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2012, 02:06:22 am
EDIT: Unfortunately the server is still eating hotkeys.
Post by: Ozyton on July 07, 2012, 11:00:39 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2012, 09:55:25 pm
Also, to people that are on the fence, come into the steam chat! It's not often blazing with activity, but you can ask questions, and people are happy to answer. It's a friendly bunch. Come onnnnnn do it.
I'll be posting some screenshots sooner or later, also, to perhaps get this thread a bit more active.
Post by: alexwazer on July 07, 2012, 11:47:00 pm
Overall, melee was considerably changed while at the same time allowing people to just keep playing pretty much the same way they used to. Everything that was possible before the update remains possible and is usually easier. A few things are possible now that were not previously. Seriyu already mentionned using N + Smash (it's awesome!), but other combos are possible: N/Smash/Windmill + Final Hit, ice-smash (similar to ice-counter), Assault-Smash. These tend to make combat goes faster since you can use skills with higher damage output than what was possible (depending on skills' rank). Nearly instant skill loading also makes fighting large and/or fast moving enemies (Bears, Bears and Bears... elephants too) much easier since you can run away to keep your distance while waiting for defense, counter or windmill cooldown and load those only at the last second.
Melee combat is easier than it was when fighting a single target, possibly too easy for some people (it's possible to load counter DURING an enemy attack chain and thus interrupt it). However, the real challenge in combat was never while fighting a single target, but multiple. That's just as bad/hard as it was or pretty close. I actually like the changes to melee.
Post by: Rose on July 08, 2012, 12:47:55 am
Post by: quinnr on July 08, 2012, 12:57:46 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 01:09:55 am
Post by: Ozyton on July 08, 2012, 01:41:49 am
1000mb is about 1gb, and 1000gb is about 1tb
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 01:46:40 am
Just a reminder to drop by the steam chat if you do end up getting it installed. It'll be easier to get help that way, even if the first day or so of the game is fairly simple.
Post by: quinnr on July 08, 2012, 01:50:03 am
My Mabinogi folder is 2.7gb
1000mb is about 1gb, and 1000gb is about 1tb
Alright, thanks. Will see if I can get it on then :)
Post by: Ozyton on July 08, 2012, 02:04:58 am
I guess the wikipedia article is out of date then. Noted. :P
Nope, I don't know why they did it but 1000mb is actually slighter smaller than a gb. Don't ask me, that's just the way they made it. I usually just do a bit of rounding.
I was going to play more today but my brother got drunk and wanted to do shit, oh well.
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 02:09:40 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 06:24:41 pm
Kay, let's start off with the self explanatory, Min and Max damage. This works exactly like you'd think, but later stats interact with this stuff heavily, obviously, so keep it in mind. A broadsword has 13 min and 30 max damage.
Balance is the level of "stability" for your damage. I believe you can get, at max, 80%. This is excellent to have on high max damage weapons, as it's in essence removing a lot of the negative of having low min/high max. Upgrades can often raise this stat, and it's fairly popular, if you don't have a lot of dexterity (which is the source of "natural" balance), very good for giants and other high strength characters. A broadsword has 55% balance. Not bad at all.
Stun is the stun time per hit. This is important for chaining attacks together. If a weapon has a long stun time it's easier for you to slap a smash or a windmill on the end of a combo, thereby resulting in more damage from the combo. Really long stun times might even let you charge up a stomp (if you're a giant) or a firebolt or something after a full combo, thereby letting you do some more fancy stuff. Stun time is very useful! Unfortunately it's almost entirely tied directly to the attack speed. Slower weapons tend to stun more. It's a trade off. A broadsword has a stun time of 2.3 seconds. Not bad either.
Durability is pretty basic. It's how long the weapon lasts before you repair it. A high max durability is more resistant to having ferghus fail a repair five times in a row on your brand new 20000 gold sword. (Never repair at ferghus for anything you care even slightly about, protip. He's really cheap, but he fails a LOT.) Durability goes down when you hit things with it (not random props like boxes, only monsters or other players in PvP), and very slowly goes down just by having it equipped while you're logged in. If you're gonna be afk for a long time it'd be nice if you could put away your weapon so it doesn't lose durability for no reason. If you bless your weapon with holy water, it loses less durability in general from all sources. Repairs succeed more often, and durability loss slows down. Bless everything all the time forever.
Wound rate is how much "wounds" you cause enemies. Wounds are health that doesn't heal naturally, and are represented by black in your, or the enemy's health bar. This , barring a few gimmick bosses, isn't really that important. You can basically ignore it, although a high wound rating never hurts. The broadsword has no wound rating.
Critical hit rate is how often you crit. Basic again. If you're focusing on critical hit, this is very important as you want to be proccing those 300% damage crits as often as possible. The broadsword has a 12% critical hit rate. Not terrible but not standing out either.
Attack speed is basic, very slow, slow, medium, fast, very fast. Higher speed weapons tend to hit less hard and stun for shorter periods of time. Mostly a non issue but if you like doing fancy stuff with your skills you probably want a slow weapon. Broadsword is slow.
the amount of hits, again, directly related to speed. Lower speeds tend to hit less times. Pretty much a non issue. Broad sword is 2 hit.
So that's that. I hope it's helped you pick out a melee weapon or move to a new melee weapon or whatever. Big points are min and max damage, stun time, and balance for reference. Crit and Durability to a lesser extent.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 10, 2012, 06:36:24 pm
Generally only archers care about wounding. There's only like 3 melee weapons with a wound rate, and they're all legendary super-rare.
Post by: h3lblad3 on July 10, 2012, 06:53:33 pm
My Mabinogi folder is 2.7gb1024mb is 1gb, and 1024gb is 1tb?
1000mb is about 1gb, and 1000gb is about 1tb
Post by: Girlinhat on July 10, 2012, 06:56:38 pm
Coincidentally, if you want to over-think it, Wikipedia has a very long chart on information sizes and what they relate too, like "how many bytes of data are on a sheet of 12 point .5" margin printer paper?" and "the amount of data on an average credit card's magnetic swipe."
Post by: alexwazer on July 10, 2012, 07:00:28 pm
When choosing a weapon, base stats don't matter all that much. Most regular weapons can have 5 normal upgrades (and some special ones I will not discuss here). Each weapon has it's own specifics upgrades available and have their own "optimal" upgrade paths. For example, broadswords optimal upgrade will result in a weapon with very low minimum damage, very high maximum damage, medium crit rate and low balance: making it a rather bad choice for new characters with low dexterity. The gladius, a sword with similar base stats to the broadsword, will slightly lower maximum damage, very low crit rate, but also much higher balance and minimum damage. Checking the Mabi wiki (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Wiki_Home) for available upgrades (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Category:Upgrades) and optimal path will let you make the best choice according to your preference.
As for wound damage, there is 2 ways for melee characters to get decent injury (wound) rate that doesn't involve getting out of reach weapons. The first one requires a bit of luck as it relies on reforge. Reforging a piece of gear requires a tool sold in most general shop and will add a completely random bonus to the weapon/armor. Bonus could be very useful or completely useless. One such potential bonus available on weapons is wound rate. With a level 3 bonus, my current weapons do between 11-30% injury. Still can't compare with archers, but at least can be used to slowly kill regenerating mobs.
Second way takes more time and requires a lot more investment. It's using a spirit weapon. Spirit weapon are "living" weapons that grow and gain levels. Each of their stats affect a stat of the weapon itself, including injury rate. Currently have 10-36% injury rate on mine.
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 07:10:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 09:54:35 pm
(http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/918983253853381225/88C5F5CC2234DA775B5F1D5D6124D119B3F77459/)
All images courtesy of ElfEater by the way.
That image doesn't really get the idea of rabbie, the real threatening monsters are skeletons and skeletal wolves. Obviously no pictures were taken of them because they're, ya know, actually hard and threatening. :P
Max and Ozy did pretty well, max died a couple of times, but overall, given the relative difficulty of the dungeon, that was pretty damn good. Ozy also died once, but again, really nice, given my first run of rabbie I died like, 10 times or something rediculous, admittantly I was soloing it, so it was a bit different, but still, they did really nice, and, even if accidentally at times, managed to support each other pretty well.
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/918983253853367082/0368C6D32D34CCF77B1D7D520E81991487D3859A/)
Both max and ozy brought firewood, so we took the time to regen a bit right before the boss. The boss may be familiar to most of you...
(http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/918983253853374270/3D9B3749AD9BA1CA76B227770324DD9BB90D3ACD/)
A vile force of darkness has arrived!
Yep, small army of goblins. Gold goblins to be specific, but all that means is they're slightly tougher then your average goblin. The typical strategy for this is to use ranged attacks to kill the goblin archers, then pull single goblins out one at a time, because they will gang up on you two to one, and that's really nasty for even well established players. Donryu managed to chop the army down to size with final hit, and gave the rest of the gang wiggle room to melee them, and provide some long range support.
So, the goblin army routed, who knows why they were miles underground, the gang headed off and the rest of the day was fairly uneventful.
Good times though, a group run of a dungeon is always a great time! :D
Hopefully there'll be more of these minor dungeon summaries later on, there's actually a ton of dungeon varieties. Thanks again to ElfEater for the screenshots, dunno why Irfanview didn't wanna work with it.
Post by: Ozyton on July 10, 2012, 10:15:39 pm
I died near the end because I was focused on an enemy a ways away. Then when i looked there was a goblin with a windmill ready right next to me. I didn't have time to react, and since I was in a corner, nowhere to run.
Haven't gotten used to retargeting enemies, so.. that didn't help either. At the very end Elfeater was taking hits from one of the goblins, and I almost managed to save him but... not quick enough on the draw unfortunately =p
On a side note, is there a reason all of you guys can run quicker than me? =<
Post by: Girlinhat on July 10, 2012, 10:18:52 pm
Aw, I missed a dungeon! Maybe it'd help if I got in the steam chat...
Post by: Elfeater on July 10, 2012, 10:26:34 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 10:38:20 pm
Also managed to work out a better way to kill the suckers, although I dunno if I can solo the boss yet. Not that that'd be an issue in a party but.
Post by: alexwazer on July 10, 2012, 11:03:54 pm
It's worth mentionning, to those that showed shortly since the last patch, that hotkeys are now fixed. They should have reverted to whatever they were before the patch, so their might be a few differences with what you've been using since, but otherwise should work fine. Hopefully they won't break them again :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 11:14:28 pm
EDIT: Also, I've updated the player list in the opening post. If you're not there and intend to come back and start playing, or just start playing, lemme know and I'll add you.
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 08:04:01 pm
FIRST - The second stage crafting skills. Basically, a lot of crafting skills can be divided into things that make material for the other crafting skills (refining, weaving, etc), and ones that actually make good stuff to be used by people that aren't crafting. The following set of skills are the second.
First up, the one everyone wants to do, but eventually gives up on, Blacksmithing. Blacksmithing is, well, obvious. Making equipment. Specifically weapons and heavy armor/shields. Early ranks you can only make tools, as you rank up you can make more stuff. If you stick with this, you'll end up rich, but you've either gotta rank up refining with it, or spend an astronomical amount on buying bars. It's honestly one of the worse crafting skills, due to a variety of STUFF, but it's by no means useless. The other crafting skills it uses for some of it's stuff is refining, and weaving. (some recipes need leather straps and cloth) As a note leather only drops from monsters, because skinning animals is considered very bad in mabinogi land. It's kind've a bad excuse but it's still there.
Second, Tailoring. Tailoring makes light armor and medium armor. Light armor just being clothes. (this is actually important, some later clothes are "magical" and will fend off magic attacks, effectively removing the flinch. Annnnd an important enchant called racoon cub only goes on magical clothes, the previously mentioned flinch canceling thing.) I've noticed this gets into USEFUL recipes a lot earlier on then blacksmithing. I'm kind've shocked to the point where I want to get into tailoring instead of blacksmithing honestly. Tailoring uses weaving, and honestly not much else. Also leather. A very nice self contained skill.
Third, Cooking! Cooking is VERY important. Cooking provides temporary status boosts, and well cooked food, they can be pretty hefty. Nobody will ever argue with a good cook. You buy most of your materials so this is entirely standalone. Of note is dex can heavily effect quality due to the minigame. I'll be going over the minigames later as that'll require screenshots and shit.
Four, Potion making! Potion making is also fairly important. Not as important as some other games, since potions will really only be used in the middle of a fight, but still nice. Potions are basically a panic button, and you panic a lot in mabinogi. Uses herbalism.
Five, Campfire! This is... kind've tenuously a crafting skill but I'm usin it anyway. Campfires make you regenerate faster, and let you regenerate wounds inside of dungeons naturally without bandages (It's cold in there), and most importantly you can share food, turning one food item into one for each party member at the fire. This goes VERY VERY WELL with cooking.
That's all for now. Tomorrow I'll go over the material crafting skills and maybe the minigames. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to look into tailoring some more.
Post by: majikero on July 12, 2012, 08:42:16 pm
Also, TAB no longer switches weapon sets. What's the new button for it?
Post by: Girlinhat on July 12, 2012, 08:48:54 pm
But carpentry can produce bows and firewood, including extremely rare bows at higher level, and produce them with phenomenal stats.
Campfires are also very nice because you can recover wounds in a dungeon. Normally you can heal wounds by drinking special wound potions, resting, visiting a healer, or leveling up. But inside a dungeon, you can't go to a healer, leveling is infrequent, and potions are costly. And resting doesn't heal wounds. UNLESS you're at a campfire. So it can be extremely important to have a nice fire to fully heal and eat before you face the next stage of the dungeon.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 12, 2012, 09:26:36 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 10:20:44 pm
I'm gonna go for tailoring. Thanks to merchant destiny, you'll only need to do half the stuff listed per skill up. That means no more trying to fail refining just to get enough point to level it past certain ranks.
Also, TAB no longer switches weapon sets. What's the new button for it?
Actually it doubles the effect of each little tick mark on the list, but it has the same basic effect yes. And the new button is `. You can change it in the hotkeys section of options. What's your username in mabi? I actually don't recognize you, unless you're just wanderin around on your own. :p
Bloody... I'm in Mari :/
You can ally with the elves or giants to get a second/third charecter card, and that char can be made in Alexina, if you haven't already. And if you have, I think you can delete all your chars and wait 24 hours for it to be populated with another basic human char card, although I'm not sure of the specifics and I could understand why you wouldn't want to do that.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 12, 2012, 10:36:22 pm
You can ally with the elves or giants to get a second/third charecter card, and that char can be made in Alexina, if you haven't already. And if you have, I think you can delete all your chars and wait 24 hours for it to be populated with another basic human char card, although I'm not sure of the specifics and I could understand why you wouldn't want to do that.
It's not the 10-12 bucks for a premium card that would put me under, it's the... several visits to the local convenience store for Nexxon cards I've already put on my Mari character. :P
Post by: Ozyton on July 12, 2012, 10:41:15 pm
EDIT: oh dear, just saw how long it will take/ how much AP it would take to get my carpentry up enough to make anything =o
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 11:08:17 pm
You can ally with the elves or giants to get a second/third charecter card, and that char can be made in Alexina, if you haven't already. And if you have, I think you can delete all your chars and wait 24 hours for it to be populated with another basic human char card, although I'm not sure of the specifics and I could understand why you wouldn't want to do that.
It's not the 10-12 bucks for a premium card that would put me under, it's the... several visits to the local convenience store for Nexxon cards I've already put on my Mari character. :P
Ah, yes, I can understand that. :p
If you ever change your mind, feel free to drop by!
Post by: majikero on July 12, 2012, 11:31:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 13, 2012, 12:41:27 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 13, 2012, 12:53:56 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 13, 2012, 05:48:03 pm
First off, Carpentry, which is kind've half and half, which is my excuse for putting it in this half and not the first one. I didn't forget it made bows, no, not at all. ANyway the primary use of carpentry is to make better firewood, for use in campfires. Higher grade firewood makes higher grade campfires which heal wounds faster, which is very nice.
Second, Handicraft which uhh, isnt' a primary skill because uhhh, okay I forgot. Handicraft makes a ton of random junk, like better bandages, and better arrows, and is also used for a LOT of quest items. It can also make a load of tools for other crafting skills, like potion making, handicraft, oddly enough, etc. You can also make handmade ballista bolts for wyvern hunting, and magic powder out of small gems. Handicraft just generally makes a ton of random shit, and it's pretty useful if you want to make something useful without going through sixteen steps to do it. No one'll turn down some nice bandages, and better arrows, while typically limited in use to humans, are also nice. (Elves shoot two arrows per normal attack so 100 arrow quivers is nothing to em. They get 500 arrow quivers by default for a reason, but you can only craft handmade arrows into 100 arrow quivers, so.)
Now, we move on to the first step in the crafting process, gathering materials. Often, if you're a cheapo like me you'll take up a production skill (Like blacksmithing or tailoring) and take up the gathering skill associated with it (Like Weaving or refining).
First up, Refining. For use with blacksmithing, refining refines ores into bars. Higher ranks raises your chance to refine stuff, and the ores you can refine. NOTE: You need to fail refining for later ranks to even level up the skill, so if you're interested in it, I'd do it early to make it easier on yourself. It won't make it impossible by any means, but the longer you wait the longer later rank ups are gonna take.
Second, Weaving. For use with tailoring mostly, and a little with blacksmithing. Weaving takes wool and cobwebs and leather and such and makes them into yarn balls, leather straps, braids, silk, cloth, etc. Well known for being very irritating as it randomly picks the quality of your cloth. So if you need cheap cloth, and you get common from that 5 wool you spent several minutes running downto the sheep field for, too bad! Gotta sell it for the measly 3 GP and try again. Another note is later light armor recipes require a lot of leather, so this actually entails a lot of monster hunting. Math dungeon is a great place to find leather, but I'd bring a party if you're a rookie.
Third, Fishing. I suppose fishing could be used with mainly cooking, in hindsight. Fishing is pretty basic, you catch a fish, type is random. You can also catch various random items, although it's rarely anything too valuble. Fish are used for cooking.
That's it for skills. We'll go over the minigames for the crafting skills now. No pictures will be provided because I'm lazy, and also because none of them are terribly complicated. I've linked the wiki pages for each crafting skill, as they tend to have a picture on them.
Tailoring (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Tailoring)
You're looking at the seam of two sheets of cloth. Move the point of the needle (not the point of the square, the needle that's in the foreground "above" the square), aim it as close to the center of the X as possible, then click and hold. You can click and reclick if the thread isn't as close as you want, then drag it to the right, to the next in the line, and release. Move the mouse to the next one on the left again, hold down, to the right, release, etc. You're always aiming for the center of the X, or inside the circle. There is variance on where it'll land, and this variance will decrease as you level tailoring. The variance is the size of the box under the needle. It can be threaded into anywhere in that box. Also, side note, the reason I said tailoring gets started much earlier? Right out of the gate past novice, you can make a male magic school uniform, which has a set bonus. And not a terrible one for magic users, either! With blacksmithing, you'll be making tools no one wants for at least a single rank until you get to daggers, which very few people will want.
Blacksmithing (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Blacksmithing)
You look at a sheet of metal, wait for a bit for the markings to "settle" then you try to hit the markings as precisely as you can. Also, wait as long as possible, but DON'T LET THE BAR AT THE BOTTOM RUN OVER. Again, variance depends on the square, it lowers with rank ups. Much simpler and easier a minigame then tailoring. So I guess while tailoring takes no time at all to get started, the minigame means, unless you're just amazing at it out of the gate for whatever reason, you'll probably be getting worse bonuses.
Cooking (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Cooking)(The page doesn't have a picture of the minigame, but it's easy)
Kay, each recipe has a certain amount of this ingredient, another ingredient, and a third, in certain percentages. You click and hold the add button below one ingredient, and try to make it match that percentage as much as possible. Again, variance, it lowers with dexterity, making elves, crafters, and archers excellent cooks. Go fig.
Fishing (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Fishing)
Fishing minigame is basically, "keep the fish shadow in the box". Very basic. If you're more the afk fishing type, you can just let the game fish automatically.
Annnd there are no other minigames, unless I forgot something like before.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 13, 2012, 06:22:37 pm
Worth noting that Refining and Weaving are very useful to other skills as well. Especially Weaving. Producing bows requires string, as you might expect, which is usually made from wool, but some require silk strands, and the very good bows need "tough string" - that's made from 5x "thick string" and is a high-ranked weaving item. So you take 25 bundles of wool, weave those into 5 thick string, and weave that into 1 tough string. It's a high-ranked item, so it's a pain to produce.
And many weaving items are used in blacksmithing as well, with plenty of leather, leather straps, and thick string going into a lot of different recipes. Particularly very difficult items, like "fine leather straps" which are not easy to get, much less get enough to produce many items.
Fortunately there's homestead options for weaving and blacksmithing. Using metal plates (high rate refining) and tough string/thread (high ranked weaving) you can make your own private furnace, anvil, spinning wheel, and loom. You can't gather ore or wool at your homestead, but you can do mining runs and then whisk away to your homestead to refine them, and you can sit out in the sheep field and whisk away to loom them. The sheep pet may also be helpful - it's terrible at combat, but you can sheer it, and providing it with MP can increase the amount of wool you can harvest.
There's a trick too. There's certain varieties of magic music you can play, which increase MP regen rate. It costs stamina to play this music though. If you make magic music that lasts for hours by using a slow tempo and full stops, then you use a tent kit you can play music infinitely. The tent lets you restore stamina even while standing - you can play music and regain stamina faster than you lose it by playing. So if you have two players, one can play music while the other harvests from the sheep. Normal wool gathering is very terrible, they move around A LOT and it's a pain to gather wool. A sheep pet would be helpful because you can make the damn thing sit still!
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 01:40:03 am
The first run, a Math dungeon run, features MaxYeskly (ElfEater), Myself(Mobliz), Kyunoko(alexwazer), and ozythesage(Ozymandias). We originally set out to get some leather, as I'm working on weaving lately, and need it.
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As you may notice here, Math is populated by KOBOLDS. Lots and lots of kobolds. Welsh mythology kobolds as well, not them tiny mostly harmless ones in DF. Honestly this screenshot is most of the dungeon. Kobolds main gimmick is they're... well, they're goblins, but harder. Archers will attack you while a melee guy attacks you, pretty basic stuff, although a big hurdle for a new player.
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At any rate, we bash through it, as always, and prepare for the boss fight. Nothing quite as iconic this time...
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Hellhounds! Currently pictured: One getting the hell kicked out of him by three people at once. The general strategy with hellhounds is offense, the only nasty nasty thing they can do to you, firebolt, has a cast time. If you keep the pressure on, you'll probably be fine.
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Here is a perhaps more dignified picture of the monsters. After we'd taken out the first one, we moved on to the second. The third didn't take kindly to this, and aggroed on to me, and nailed me with a firebolt. Even through savage beast, this did a pretty nice slice of damage. MaxYeskly, threw himself into the fray, and managed to hold the third off long enough for us to finish the second, and end the third as well.
But we weren't done there, my no. We moved on to Rundal, although MaxYeskly sadly had to leave us for it Meaning it's down to Me, Kyunoko, and ozythesage.
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The gimmick of Rundal is SKELETONS. Pirate skeletons to be precise. They're not terribly hard, but later rundal difficulties can be pretty nasty.
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We rest before the boss, as per usual. I lost my screenshot of the boss, but it was a cyclops. The strategy here was Kyunoko and ozy would provide ranged support from behind me, while I use windmill, an AoE attack that always knocks enemies back, regardless of passive defenses, to keep him from slipping by and killing them. I got nailed by a stomp halfway through but otherwise, went off without a hitch.
And did you think the train would end there? If you answered no, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT!
Ya see, Kyunoko got a Rundal Basic pass in the rundal normal run. (Normal is the generic dungeon you run through when you drop a random item. Basic is a step above that.) We called in Laur for a bit of extra firepower, and it proved to be a wise decision, as Basic was pretty nasty. We all died at least once, even, a first, as far as these summaries are concerned.
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Our party again. Laur is in the back, and is an elf. Now, don't reach for the torches and whatnot just yet, elves are actually very deadly and honestly probably the best race in mabinogi, unless you want to go melee. I'll go over elves and giants more in depth in the next tech update. Anyway, Rundal had a lot of one thing, and that was oddly, animal men. We had Sahugains, or however you spell that, Gnolls, of two varieties, Flying swords, and archer saguhain. Now, a little thing about multiple monster types in the same room in mabinogi. Each monster type, even if they will only single aggro you, will have one attacking a charecter at one time. So basically, in the worst case scenario, I could have a Doberman GNoll, a Pug Gnoll, a Saguhain archer, and a normal saguhain warrior on me at a single time. Thankfully it never came to this, thanks to the fantastic work by Ozymandias, who saved my ass at least once during this. Shot an enemy that had knocked me back and was moving in for the kill, and managed to kill it. Laur was also an amazing help with Crash Shot, a ranged AoE attack that packs quite a punch, and Thunder which will just murder anything nearby. Another note about this, Flying swords? They have magic. So, if you can imagine dealing with a melee creature, an arrow firing creature, and a magic creature at the same time, that's what you have to deal with here. It is not a kind place ,and I was very impressed with how Ozy handled himself. Had two deaths early on, which if I recall were mostly due to trying to get one last shot off, and missing, which happens.
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We pulled through however, primarily due to all the ranged firepower we had at the time. (Kyunoko is an alt of Alexwazers that uses alchemy, which is a ranged hand cannon kinda thing, it's pretty awesome.) We moved into the enemy chamber to reveal the foulest foe we had yet to face....
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AN IMMINENT CATSPLOSION. MY GOD. Also cat men. I was serious about the animal person thing. I didn't get a better picture because I was clearly too horrified to approach. Despite this, one managed to combo me and take off most of my health, leaving me to millwall duty, which was the tactic I previously described in the first rundal boss. Now, there are about 9 cat knights I believe, and most of them were taken out by Laur and Ozy, with some support from Kyunoko from the side. He managed to die at one point, but since laur and ozy were holdin off the foes well enough on their own, I snuck over and revived him. He provided supporting fire in the battle with the final cat knight, and distracted it long enough to let me prep windmill one last time, when the final barrage of arrows felled the things.
So yeah, three dungeon runs tonight. Mostly just got a shit ton of gold, but that's not a bad thing at all.
That's that! Don't be afraid to stop by the steam chat and ask questions if you haven't yet. We're all pretty chill. And personally I'm a know it all, so I love answering questions. The link is in the OP, again.
Post by: Aoi on July 14, 2012, 02:10:00 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 02:14:32 am
How can I unsubscribe? T_T (looks at updated topics list) There's no way~
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 02:47:40 am
I think I tried Mabinogi back when it was in OB in the US, and again maybe... two years ago? I remember there being lag issues that made anything combat that involved anything more than trading blows impossible and, the second time, it felt very grindy and showing signs of abandonment. Would you say that things have changed since then and it's okay for a semi-casual MMOer?
Okay, for the lag? You'll probably have to disable the Nagle Algorithm. Pretty much everybody in our guild has done it, and unless you are on a VERY limited bandwith cap, it's probably not going to do a thing to your internet, except imrpove the speed. A guide is here. (http://mabinogi.wikia.com/wiki/Lag#Disabling_Nagle.27s_Algorithm) I personally have done it, and have reported no ill effects. It's not as vital as it used to be, but it's still a good thing to do. The recent combat update also made combat a little less lag critical, as load times are very quick, so if you briefly lag while something is running at you, you can still get a defensive skill off. It's possible that some of this was also a sign of not being familiar with the depth of the combat system, which is not very well explained at all. I'd be happy to help with that, along with most other people in the steam chat. I'd say it's a decent casual MMO? You can basically leave it alone and still progress, as you get AP, so if you have to go and do something else for a week, you can at least come back toa bit of AP. And more importantly, since the beta, free rebirths are an option, which makes it far less grindy. It resets your level, and allows you to gain more AP from it. My advice in general, however, is to not get too worried about having an amazing character, because that'll just happen once you get familiar with combat, along with over time. It is a grindy game, but it's not like.... agressively grindy I guess? You can get exp doing pretty much anything, so you just go around and... do stuff you wanna do. If you try to min-max the game, yeah, you'll end up bored.
EDIT: Oh also, most dungeons are fairly long, so you should expect that if you wanna do more then one. If you're only gonna be around for a short period of time, you probably should check the length before you jump in. And if you have any more specific questions, hop in the steam chat, I'm in there a lot of the time, because I spend too much time on the internet.
Watching this thread keeps making me want to play Mabinogi again D:
How can I unsubscribe? T_T (looks at updated topics list) There's no way~
Do iiiiit, ya know you wanna.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 02:51:08 am
Besides, I'm already spoiled >.>
I have a lot of pets, and an at least competent power level.. in Korea. >.>
It looks like fun though. IMO, Mabinogi is one of the few games that are REALLY fun when you band up with friends and tackle a dungeon that isn't "Planned For 5~6 PCs Of Level 60~63". I remember spending many an hour whiling away time sitting in Dunbarten town square chatting with friends :3
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 03:27:10 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 14, 2012, 03:41:52 am
Yeah it really is an excellent game when you just forget about trying to be decently set up for it and just hop in, and still manage to clear a good chunk of it. And you'd think, with the semi difficult combat it'd pull in all kinds of "I'm better then you pff" jerks, the community is honestly, usually pretty solid, if a bit chatty for my tastes.
Good words for Alexina abound. Mari, on the other hand...
Ah, but the grass.
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 03:48:49 am
Post by: Ozyton on July 14, 2012, 04:37:07 am
As for lag... it doesn't seem to affect anybody else, but I will sometimes get a 4 or 5 second lag spike, perhaps longer, and during that time I'll most likely be dead =<
When you have a party it's not nearly as bad though, since you have people who can save you.
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 05:26:42 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 06:16:53 am
As in, you raise Ranged Combat Mastery and Magnum Shot, then get a decent crossbow and (1) run in front of target (2) Use Magnum Shot and aim with shift+click (3) Fire immediately.
Aiming speed is inverse to distance, and crossbows probably aim faster iirc. Sadly, this only works once per enemy xD It's shotgunning because of the distinctive smoke-ring effect and the sound of the crossbow :P
There's also the possibility of modifying your crossbow to decrease range in favor of attack power or critical chance.
Post by: majikero on July 14, 2012, 07:20:09 am
Post by: Elfeater on July 14, 2012, 09:36:09 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 14, 2012, 10:44:13 am
When did this dungeon run happen and why wasn't I invited? And Laur bought the maid partner, it's cool that you can buy bandages and feathers from her.
Happened friday evening/night. We usually use the Steam group chat to organize runs and stuff, so if you want to be invited you should hop in there. Also, have no idea whos your character in-game, you should let Seriyu knows so he can add that to the list in first post.
Elfeater, don't worry too much, that was a mostly standard dungeon run. You'll have a chance to join in some other sooner or later.
Post by: Elfeater on July 14, 2012, 10:45:16 am
Id be up for a run of an easier dungeon if your up for it.When did this dungeon run happen and why wasn't I invited? And Laur bought the maid partner, it's cool that you can buy bandages and feathers from her.
Happened friday evening/night. We usually use the Steam group chat to organize runs and stuff, so if you want to be invited you should hop in there. Also, have no idea whos your character in-game, you should let Seriyu knows so he can add that to the list in first post.
Elfeater, don't worry too much, that was a mostly standard dungeon run. You'll have a chance to join in some other sooner or later.
Post by: majikero on July 14, 2012, 11:00:58 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 05:55:32 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 14, 2012, 06:29:04 pm
BTW I didn't get a bohemian hat. I already had it all. The only equipment I gained was the crazy wing-hat from Mobliz/Seriyu, which was adorably awkward and I immediately gifted it to my maid. She is now 200% more adorably awkward.
Post by: alexwazer on July 14, 2012, 06:39:41 pm
As a side note, I've started ranking barrier spikes on my alchdood (dood... for some reason I'm stuck with that in mind from Disgaea, sorry about that :P ). Training is actually a lot easier than what I was expecting. So I should have r5 relatively quickly, which will make ranged combat much easier and safer.
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 07:17:57 pm
Also, Race update.
So, you've decided you like mabinogi but really don't care for magic/ranged, or melee all that much, and want to stick primarily with one of them. Luckily, the two races, Elves, and Giants are here specifically for that reason. First up...
Giants! These guys are the melee race, and I am one of them. They get bonuses on the Smash skill, and the counterattack skill, and gain stomp, which is more handy then it initially appears, as a physical ranged AoE(AoE is being generous, but it is technically) attack. They also get a few bonuses on knuckle skills, and due to their high Strength growth, will typically not have to worry about a similarly ranked enemy surviving a combo or smash, and if then, not by much. Due to their high Will growth, they get excellent damage with knuckles, and often get a second chance, via the Deadly status. (If an attack would kill you, you'll occasionally stay alive, with the deadly status, which is basically you at 0 HP. Will effects how often this happens.) They also require less AP for melee skills. They also get the exclusive skills Windguard (Which is their "final hit" equivalent skill), and taunt, which is basically there so windguard is actually useful as a tanking skill. Windguard acts as defense, except it isn't canceled when you get hit. It's really nice in a nasty situation where multiaggro is running amok. As a bonus, you can use windmill while using it. Taunt attracts enemies if they're weak enough to be effected by it. They also DON'T NEED A SHIELD TO USE CHARGE, which is a huge upside.
Now for downsides. Giants cannot use bows, and are stuck with the gigantic Atlatl and Javelins which are amazing weapons but take up a huge amount of space. Throwing attack, which is what they use, is very powerful and giant exclusive as well. But not nearly as rapid fire as normal ranged attacks. They also gain less MP through skills and through leveling, on top of requiring more MP for magic. This means int magic is a lot harder to cast for giants, as it requires a large amount of MP. Bolts are still fine for defensive use. They gain less MP from ranking magic mastery, to boot. They also require more AP to learn magic skills.
Elves are basically the opposite. They don't have many negatives in melee DAMAGE but their melee skills require a lot more AP to rank up. They use less MP for casting, and when they fire a normal attack with a bow they shoot two arrows instead of one. Additionally, they need less AP to learn ranged skills of all types. They have a high dex growth which provides a triple whammy of excellent ranged attacks, Balance, and crafting potential. Int growth is also fine too. They also get more MP via magic mastery skill ranks, and I think through just leveling as well. They also gain Final Shot, their final hit equivalent. It allows them to teleport around short distances, and decreases the amount of time it takes for them to aim and load(cooldown, now) skills.
Negatives? Elves are made of glass, as you'd expect. They need more AP to rank combat skills, including combat mastery which would give them more health. Their health growth isn't good, and neither is their strength. I believe will is around human level. They also, despite generally being better archers, do not have a monopoly on ranged skills. They can't get arrow revolver, to be specific. They also require a shield to use charge, which is a big thing.
Now, humans.
Humans are as you'd expect, the baseline. ALl stat growths are normal, they can use most weapons, except giant exclusive weapons, and can learn most skills. If you want to do a bit of everything, human is your thing. Humans get Final hit, which is a melee equivelent of Final Shot, allowing them to teleport longer distances, and allowing the potential for infinite melee combos for a while. They also get arrow revolver, which loads five arrows at once, which is handy in a hairy situation, to say the least.
Downsides, well. They don't really excel at anything. This isn't really a huge deal, but it comes up occasionally. Sometimes you just want X thing dead right now, and humans, unless highly developed, have a hard time dealing with that possibility. Also of note is that they have to have a shield equipped to use charge, which is a huge negative.
So yeah, that's that.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 07:48:24 pm
Dating from C3G12, Elfs take 235 AP up to Rank 1, while Humans take 200 AP. Also, Humans take 187 AP for Ranged Combat, while Elves take 279 AP.
Meanwhile, Humans actually aim faster (300% compared to Elfs' 250% or so). And since most high-end monsters always have Natural Shield, the aim speed is all that is important because you will use Magnum Shot.
So ironically, Humans fight better, and are cheaper to play, in ranged combat than Elfs.
... I don't know why Devcat hates Elves so much :(
Still, it's fun to play, and a lot faster to play, Elves as archers because of the double shot ability :3
EDIT: Another pro is that you can run away while aiming up to 50%, and you also run fast, and move while aiming Magnum Shot, and can shoot from atop a horse, so it's easier to be cavalry xD
Post by: Girlinhat on July 14, 2012, 08:13:47 pm
Next is Final Shot. This thing is amazing, but difficult to use manually. I always turn on auto attack when using it. It significantly increases load speed and aim speed. This results in amazing barrages of arrows that can leave enemies stuck in one spot as they're pelted.
Finally is Crash Shot, which is also available to Humans, but Elves make it shine with their massive dex. It has three key factors to it. 1: It hits multiple enemies who are nearby the target. 2: It deals extra damage to the primary target based on how many other enemies are nearby. 3: It ignores critical protection, resulting in a massive number of critical hits and extremely high death rate. Using this, you can really clear out whole rooms in one shot, but it's also the most AP expensive skill in the game. I'm ranking it up, and it's a bottomless hole of AP sink. But it pays for itself for the most part - rafting ride gives fantastic exploration exp!
Oh, and there's also Support Shot. It doesn't knockback the enemy, which is important because it lets allies keep attacking, and it causes the next melee hit to do extra damage. It's an elf-only skill that works well with human's final hit or giants using smash.
BTW: Let's not forget that the Giant's ranged attack, "Throwing Attack" hurls javelins at the enemy, and uses STR instead of DEX. There's a jousting reward that gives like +400 damage to throwing attack, though the items are a little pricy, a high-level giant with plenty of strength and jousting javelins can do positively obscene amounts of damage.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 08:21:54 pm
Personally, I don't think Final Shot is as awesome (or useful) as Final Attack, but a lot easier to get.
And Crash Shot is like Ice Spear, but for archers! :D
The drawback to Mirage Shot is that your allies also get contaminated <.<
Post by: Patchy on July 14, 2012, 08:23:30 pm
Oh, and there's also Support Shot. It doesn't knockback the enemy, which is important because it lets allies keep attacking, and it causes the next melee hit to do extra damage. It's an elf-only skill that works well with human's final hit or giants using smash.
Only 1 lil nitpick, and not a major one at that. But human archers do get support shot too. Other than that, nothin else to really add.
Human archers also get arrow revolver, but as I have never been able to get it... I can't say much about it yet. Still stuck on page 8 of 10 of it if I recall.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 08:25:35 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 14, 2012, 08:28:53 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 08:30:58 pm
I thought they did: my pets sure were infected. Maybe players != pets.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 14, 2012, 08:32:31 pm
Post by: majikero on July 14, 2012, 08:50:37 pm
You have 3 basic elemental bolts and a healing spell a newbie can get right at the start. Spells can be charge up to five times and some spells need five charges to use but those are advance spells.
Ice Bolt. It fires one by one so you need 3 shots to knock back enemies.
Fire Bolt. It fires all charges at once and knocks back enemies regardless of charge.
Lightning Bolt. It fires all charges at once and chains to nearby enemies equal to the number or charges. If other people are nearby with lightning bolt charges ready, it will add their charges to yours. Not sure if it will increase damage or add more chain lighting. Also, you lose all charges after 5 seconds.
Healing. Once cast has 5 charges but heals very little per charge.
Post by: Seriyu on July 14, 2012, 09:14:21 pm
I'll prolly go over intermediate magic some other time because that's where magic really shines, rather then being relegated to a mostly support role. Unless someone beats me to it of course. I'll also eventually be linking allllllll this stuff in the OP, so.
Also, today we are learning black ship rats are the greatest threat to human life.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 09:18:28 pm
I think a 4-chain-casting Fire wand combined with high Firebolt rank equals awesome :P
It's also extremely expensive (in repairs and mana), but really fun to do :P
Icebolt is probably the most economic bolt; Firebolt is slow, while Lightning bolt takes too much mana. But Fire and Lightning are more powerful than Icebolt. Still, Icebolt has a reliable damage, and you can cast five :3
Advanced magic is pretty hard to get, but really rewarding.
Fireball is highly situational, and hard to use, because you need to charge all five to fire it. Which takes much time. Still, if you do get to use it, a huge explosion happens and everyone is knocked down (as in, every monster).
Thunder is more useful than Fireball, especially on rafting, and the more charges you do, the more times it strikes, and the more enemies it attacks.
Ice Spear is the queen of all magic. It has a short casting time, and it freezes the enemy. Combine the two, and you can cast - freeze - cast - wait until the freeze is over - freeze. Basically the disk one nuke of Mabinogi. When you charge Ice Spear more than once, and when the frozen target explodes, secondary freezing can happen. The only case you can't use this is when the enemy has rank three of Mana Reflec/fracter.
Note: All advanced magic is cool.
Note: All advanced magic needs a wand.
If I am correct,there is a dual-casting system. It makes the bolt spells much better. I like Lightning + Fire and Ice + Fire: L+F sprays Firebolt to many targets, while I+F has the 5 shot ability of Ice along with the damage of Fire.
As a bonus, it's cool. xD
There's also an advanced spell for Healing: Party Healing. Self-evidently, you can heal multiple people in your party every casting. The reason Party Healing is good, though, is because if you achieve rank 1 and get the title Party Healing Master, you can heal wounds along with HP :-0!
It takes much time and effort and potions to do that, though.
One note: All magic is an AP sink.
EDIT: Black ship rats are terrible :( They're so quick, and I think they use magic too!
They're also strong, and can take as much as they give.
Post by: majikero on July 14, 2012, 09:48:38 pm
A Pure Mage is a high maintenance profession and an AP sink. It also means you have enough fire power to kill lots of things out of your league before it kills you.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 14, 2012, 11:13:28 pm
Pure mages cannot be :P You need to be, say, a fighter first and get the money down, and also be tough enough not to die in a couple of hits.
Has anyone here done Defense Mastery just for the protection & defense bonuses? :P
Post by: Aoi on July 14, 2012, 11:27:41 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2012, 12:02:49 am
Okay, okay, you guys have sold me on giving it another try. Downloading now!
Awesome! Be sure to jump into steam if you can, it makes everything a lot easier.
And a veyr minor dungeon run, only because Acolyte0 joined us, their first group dungeon run. Did pretty well, died 3 times, but given she only had about 100 HP and gnolls would pretty universally one shot them, that's not terrible at all. Dungeon boss was kitties again, so I didn't get a picture of that.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_07_15_001.jpg)
So yep. More dungeon. We did a rundal advanced for 3 run earlier, which mauled us, so this was a nice break.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2012, 12:07:17 am
Let's not forget that intermediate magic can also be done into crystals via alchemy. You can charge magic, and then use an alchemy station to crystalize it. Then anyone using a cylinder can fire it, with reduced damage. The main thing though, is it loads a LOT faster, and doesn't consume MP to fire. It does take ENORMOUS AP sink and time to get your alchemy up to level to make crystalization profitable, but when done right you can have a few players with good cylinders just run through whole dungeons.
Post by: Aoi on July 15, 2012, 01:27:56 am
Yeeeeeeeeah, I'm guessing there's been a few changes since then. =P
I feel old. "227 years past 25."
Edit: ...Zzzz. Looks like something I have on my system is setting off its anti-hack routines. Woohoo!
...Never mind just read FP. Comin' in!
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2012, 02:00:05 am
Also, despite it being like 2 AM CST, there's still a few people in the steam chat, so if you have further questions hop on in. Link is in the OP. :P
EDIT: Oh, also, gimme your username at least, so I can put it in the OP, and keep track of it/get you invited to B12 dungeon runs.
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2012, 05:56:27 pm
First up, Warrior. Probably the class with the most potential for wrecking shit, but also a much higher potential for getting your shit wrecked in return. You're generally gonna be doing more damage then most other characters, and move around more, but, being in the middle of a huge mob, there's always the possibility something will rush up and stun you long enough for the other guy you were focusing on to kill you, just like that. Unlike archers and mages, you do not have the luxury of hiding in a corner, typically. Notable Warrior skills are Smash,extreme single target damage, Windmill, An AOE centered on the guy using the skill, and assault slash, a follow up to smash or windmill that hits a knocked down target. Final Hit(Human Only), long range teleports and infinite combos, Windguard(Giant only), perma defense.
Archer. Prolly the more consistant of the two ranged attackers, but magic has it's own tricks we'll see in a bit. More importantly, if you hit someone with an arrow shot, most of that damage is going to stay there, due to the high wound rates on bows. Archers can do nice damage, but generally have to use skills to kill something in a hurry, as their default attacks can be kinda puny, even for elves. With stuff like support shot, and mirage shot, they work very well with warriors, and certainly can hold their own with skills. Notable Skills, Magnum shot, long range smash, Support Shot, increases the damage of the next attack to hit an enemy, can do amazing things with a high rank of smash, Crash Shot, Long Range AoE, Mirage Shot(Elf Only), "poison" arrow, Arrow Revolver(Human Only), 5 seperate shots you can load and use seperately, and Final Shot(Elf Only), Short range teleports and way too many arrows to count.
And, Mage. Now, mages are sort've different. To start with, the bolts aren't amazing, although they are long range attacks, which is never a bad thing, and a good firebolt/lightning bolt can really mess a dude up with enough int behind it. As previously mentioned in the stuff before this, a mage is a very expensive occupation, as wands take a lot to repair. HOWEVER. If you put the work into getting intermediate magic, well, intermediate magic is well known for, with enough prep time, being able to clear an entire room/wave of enemies in one cast. It'll take a lot of mana and a lot of time, but it'll mess stuff up in a wide range. Ice Spear, the ice int. magic can also handle a single enemy fairly well. A mage starts out as a warrior with easily accessible ranged attacks, or a slightly more damaging archer without as many skills, but eventually comes into their own with intermediate magic. Notable Skills, Ice bolt, think arrow revolver with less damage, Fire Bolt, a bolt that does more damage the more you cast it (max of five casts), Lightning Bolt, a bolt that has it's full damage with a single cast, and very wild damage, along with chaining between enemies with subsequent casts, Fusion Bolt, A versatile skill that can do a LOT of junk, Ice Spear, a single target attack that will freeze an enemy long enough to be hit with it again. Yeah., Fireball, a wide AoE that can generally clear an entire room, And thunder, a larger AoE with less damage (still more then enough to fry most monsters).
FINALLY. The Alchemist. Alchemists are kinda... wierd. Their weapons don't use stats, and you have to make all but your most basic ammo, but they can do some neat stuff. Mostly reccomended for people that enjoy crafting, but also would like to help out in dungeon runs. They have a single target damage skill ala firebolt, and a conical AoE in Fire Burst. Guarenteed knockback with wind blast as well. All these skills have load time, however, so they fall into a lot of the same traps as mages, without the advances of int magic to back them up. Not reccomended if most of what you want to do is fight, but of note is the fact that alchemy acts as a ranged attack giants can use, if you're not interested in atlatls. Notable Skills, Water Blast, firebolt, basically, Fire Blast, Conical AoE, Wind Blast, Hefty knockback, Cloud Casting, causes it to rain on a small portion of the map. Effects crafting success rates positively, and improves water blast damage, And Golem Summoning, an easy way to get into a room without putting your hide at risk. Excellent for dealing with getting dead allies back up.
So that's that. Everything's pretty well put together, so all of these can hold their own just fine in any dungeon. And of course there's nothing to say you can't use two separate trees or what have you either. Mabinogi is a pretty open game.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 15, 2012, 06:12:39 pm
Any current, glaring bugs? I want to like this game but things seem to break all the time. :-\ Either way I'll probably hop online tonight just to see what my new lag situation is.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 15, 2012, 06:20:43 pm
Pure archers are the suckiest :( Even though they're so fun.
Pure mages are impossible, mostly, without money, or people to back ye up.
Pure alchemists are pretty doable, and pretty strong, too.
Alchemist run-down! (tell me if I forgot any! xD)
Water Cannon: The basic skill of alchemist fighting. At low ranks, it is hard to combo with (by itself), but eventually it is fast enough. It's pretty much Icebolt except with more power.
Wind Blast: A quick, weak skill whose damage is inversely proportional to the distance. It's best to use directly after a water cannon or two, to knock the enemy back and buy time for another skill, namely:
Fire Blast: A flamethrower with multiple hitting, and an area of effect. At high enough ranks, it will hit the enemy a few times, then knock them back. This is, along with Water Cannon, the main firepower of "cylinder" alchemists.
Heat Buster: A fun skill, which you can use after using a few other of the above skills. You fire a mini-nuke that slides you back and explodes, creating a miniature Fireball effect. It's fun. But probably not effective enough to justify the AP needed; it is still recommended if you have the AP to spare. Just because it is not effective doesn't mean it's not strong.
Cloud Casting: A ... situational skill, to say the best. It increases Water Cannon power, and it's part of the main quest. Make it high enough of a rank, and it even rains and thunders! :D Fun, but arguably not effective.
Tower Cannon: Not a skill, but an action. You need a Tower Cannon equipped to use it. You set up the cannon into siege mode and blast off attacks rapid-fire. Combine with Water Cannon and Fire Blast for maximum effect. The tower cannon decreases the charging time slightly.
Sand Blast: ??? Not really good.
Frozen Blast: The Ice Spear of alchemists! :D You use special crystals you make to spew out a wind that freezes multiple enemies. The catch is that you can still hit them even in the frozen state, unlike Ice Spear. Useful! :D You need Synthesis and Water Cannon A rank to learn it.
Chain Cylinder: You need this! With Chain Cylinder active, you have a certain chance to charge an extra crystal, or at high ranks up to four extra crystals at one time while using skills like Water Cannon, or Fire Blast. Nifty!
Spark: Meh. Not exactly good, especially since you need some semi-rare materials to make the crystals. It is like Lightning Bolt, but persisted.
Life Drain: It's good, but you need semi-rare materials to make the crystals. You suck life and use it like your own.
Golem Creation: You make golems. I don't recommend putting too much effort into this, because Golem Creation has been nerfed multiple times over the course of Mabinogi history. Still useful.
Barrier: Create a barrier. You can fire over the barrier at higher ranks (5th, I believe), and enemies either attack it or go around the barrier.
Passive & Non-combat Skills
Metal Changing: What real alchemists do! :P You can chance metallic items into others.
Mana Forming: Crystallize intermediate magic into crystals. It's easier if you have a friend that casts, instead of casting it yourself to train.
Dissolving: (Do not know English name) Break down items into component parts.
Synthesis: Opposite of Dissolving. Can be used to create the best sword in Mabinogi, with a three Mabinogi percent chance of success. (Note that Fergus's fixing has a 90% chance of success but obviously succeeds less than that.)
Alchemy Mastery: Enhances all alchemy skills, be it damage, speed, success chance...
Creation Mastery: Involved in Synthesis, Dissolving, Mana Forming, and creation of crystals. Increases success rate.
Water/Fire/Wind/Ground Alchemy Mastery: What it says on the tin.
Equipment:
[Element] Cylinder: The default cylinders. They enhance one element and penalize the others.
Tsunami/Volcano/Earthquake/Hurricane Cylinder: They enhance one element more and penalize the others even more. These are a bit rare and expensive, but they're worth their money.
Tower Cylinder: Huge, both on your character and in the inventory, but you might use them to become a siege tank. :3
Alchemy Bag: If you have a paid service, they're useful for holding all of your crystals. I think you can have more than one, but I'm not so sure about it.
(If there's others, please tell me >_<)
In the end, I think Alchemy is a fun, not too expensive, and moreover decent class to go into! :D
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2012, 06:24:52 pm
Also, steam chat join, link in OP, etc, blahblah.
EDIT: This was to singularity, by the way.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 15, 2012, 06:53:16 pm
No huge glaring bugs that I can think of, honestly nexon seems to have shaped up on that front. For a while the server was eating hotkeys, but they fixed that. Also, look up "nagle algorithm disable" on google. You shold be able to find something that might help your lag situation a touch. I've done it myself and can confirm it works fine. You may use a bit more bandwith, but aside from that it'll mostly speed up your internet. I also posted a link to a guide to do it earlier in the thread somewhere. It's not nearly as important as it used to be, but.
Also, steam chat join, link in OP, etc, blahblah.
EDIT: This was to singularity, by the way.
I disabled that long ago. My issue was our whole campus sharing a T2 line, or something ridiculous like that. xD
I guess I'll poke around, but I'm not up for anything big tonight. No dungeons. My main character's name is Xandak, for those that remember.
Post by: Aoi on July 15, 2012, 07:15:36 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 15, 2012, 07:25:18 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2012, 08:05:00 pm
Alchemist run-down! (tell me if I forgot any! xD)Imma just steal this...
Water Cannon: Water Cannon works a lot like Firebolt. You charge 1-5 loads, and it fires all at once. Has somewhat poor knockdown, but quick load time.
Wind Blast: Does no actual damage, or marginal at best. What it DOES do is blow enemies back very far, and I believe it has a quick load time. This is great if you've got some irritating slow enemies, such as zombies. It's an excellent support skill.
Fire Blast: Fantastic flamethrower. It's worth getting into alchemy just so that you can laugh maniacally. It deals a spread of damage 5 times, with different damage and (I think) range depending on the number of charges. This can be a fantastic way to injure enemies, or simply stall them. As long as they're in the blast, they're basically stuck in place and vulnerable to other attacks - or provide time for allies to run and hide.
Heat Buster: It's neat, sorta. It explodes and sends you flying back. Nice way to gain distance quickly, but you have to "warm up" your cylinder by using other skills first. Not a main skill, but it's a neat one, if only for the visuals. Also hilarious watching the 10 year old elves flying backwards.
Cloud Casting: Causes rain above you. Grants a boost to water alchemy skills, and most importantly, improves production rates. Being under a raincloud, natural or artificial, will increase production success rates. That's fine at low levels, where you have a 50% change to fail iron ore. Nice but meh. But in higher levels it means a whole lot. When you've got a 30% chance to fail Finest Firewood, then every little percentage boost counts.
Tower Cannon: As said, not a skill, but rather equipment. The Tower Cylinder gives a hefty boost to range and damage, perhaps reload times as well, not sure. It takes a moment to deploy and to retract, but once in place it provides heavy firepower. For normal dungeons it's overkill, the room is cleared by the time you deploy, but for difficult dungeons, boss rooms, and (most importantly?) rafting, it can provide a major boost. Rafting is particularly fun. You can set up on the raft and be a mobile turret! A pair of tower cylinders firing water cannon and int magic crystals can earn a lot of points.
Sand Blast: Very crucial support skill. It stuns the enemy by blinding them. Can cause significant delay as they fail to move and fail to attack, and against bosses it can turn a tough fight into a sitting duck. A serious "tackle" skill, it's not much on its own, but if you've got an archer backing you up then it means a LOT of potential for damage.
Frozen Blast: Doesn't do much (if any) damage on its own. But it freezes enemies solid, rendering them stationary and unable to use any skills of any type. It also increases the damage being done to them. Another fantastic "tackle" skill, it'll keep an enemy pinned AND lower their defense, while the other players are able to chain up big-hitting combo moves.
Chain Cylinder: Pretty awesome. It allowed you to "skip" charges. Where you load one, you're suddenly loading multiples. So when you're charging water cannon, you can press the key once, but end up loading two charges at a time. It cuts down on a lot of time. It can be toggled on and off.
Spark: Very good, if you're doing it right. The "Spark" status works on the target, so you apply it to a friendly creature, either yourself, an ally, a golem, or whatever. Spark works by shocking enemies nearby, so if you put Spark onto a melee character, then when the melee character gets close to an enemy, the enemy will get shocked. This does some good damage, and it also stuns enemies very well. Done right, it can leave a whole room stunned for a long time, while still getting wailed on by everyone. Works well with golems.
Life Drain: IIncredibly powerful, it may have been nerfed, I forget. If your HP is lower than full, you can "vampire" an enemy, refilling your own life while draining theirs. It can be very powerful as well as healing yourself, but requires some unusual ingredients to produce.
Golem Creation: Pretty awesome. Generates a golem of whatever material you're using. The golem will go spam attack, or you can assume control via astral projection or some other shit. Golems themselves aren't weak, and they get buffed by a few different skills to produce some very powerful ones. The main thing is, free damage without putting you at risk, and windmill. Golems using windmill are very powerful and can be used as extreme area-denial weapons - golems have a HUGE hitbox, so their windmill will hit everything everywhere ever.
Barrier: Throws up a small palisade. After a certain level, then you can shoot over it, so you can put it in front of you and your archer friends, and then use it for cover as you fire over it. At later levels, enemies who melee your barrier will take damage from it, and this damage is often non-filtered. Enemies who usually take no damage, will take damage from the spikes. This can result in some VERY potent ways to really piss off a boss. Can only be used in dungeons and shadow missions, NOT open field.
Passive & Non-combat Skills
Metal Changing: Not bad. If you have a lot of something, it can be neat. Unknown Ore Fragments and Copper Ore can be changed into something actually useful. A good utility skill that helps with blacksmithing.
Mana Forming: Turns intermediate magic into crystals that anyone with a cylinder can fire. Reduces damage, but costs no MP to fire and takes less time to load. Works best if someone charges magic and another crystalizes it.
Dissolving: (Do not know English name) Break down items into component parts.
Synthesis: Opposite of Dissolving. Can be used to create the best sword in Mabinogi, with a three Mabinogi percent chance of success. (Note that Fergus's fixing has a 90% chance of success but obviously succeeds less than that.)
Alchemy Mastery: Enhances all alchemy skills, be it damage, speed, success chance...
Creation Mastery: Involved in Synthesis, Dissolving, Mana Forming, and creation of crystals. Increases success rate.
Water/Fire/Wind/Ground Alchemy Mastery: Increase elemental damage, as well as some tricks. Water Alchemy Mastery increases the duration of Rain Casting. Clay Alchemy Mastery increases the power of golems and the duration and HP of barrier spikes.
Equipment:
[Element] Cylinder: The default cylinders. They enhance one element and penalize the others.
Tsunami/Volcano/Earthquake/Hurricane Cylinder: They enhance one element more and penalize the others even more. These are a bit rare and expensive, but they're worth their money. Hurricane Cylinders provide buffs to Rain Casting, and Earthquake buffs golems and barriers.
Tower Cylinder: Huge, both on your character and in the inventory, but you might use them to become a siege tank. :3
Alchemy Bag: If you have a paid service, they're useful for holding all of your crystals. I think you can have more than one, but I'm not so sure about it.
So Alchemy is a fantastic support skill, Spark, Barriers, Wind Blast, etc all provide great utility, but the pure offensive skills are still strong enough that you're not a pure support role. Water Cannon and whatever still does enough damage that you're not worthless in a fight!
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2012, 09:07:05 pm
Yup, I think I will download this again. It's gonna take a while, though, and I'm not sure if it'll actually run at an acceptable speed this time, so don't expect me to be playing for a few days. :-\
Sayin it again, dunno if you have but, disable the nagle algorithm. Also, due to the combat changes, lag is far far less "oh god you're dead" unless you're lagging for minutes at a time or something. So you may be into this faster then you think. :P
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2012, 04:39:44 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 05:42:16 am
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2012, 05:48:47 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 06:54:20 am
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2012, 07:02:42 am
Post by: Vaaurk on July 16, 2012, 08:10:05 am
I'm a brazilian living in Brazil and I can log and play just fine.
Post by: Fikes on July 16, 2012, 02:08:12 pm
They lifted the region lock.
I'm a brazilian living in Brazil and I can log and play just fine.
Wow, mega lurker. Nice to meet you!
Post by: Vaaurk on July 16, 2012, 03:53:53 pm
They lifted the region lock.
I'm a brazilian living in Brazil and I can log and play just fine.
Wow, mega lurker. Nice to meet you!
That's me!
I don't usually post much, 'cause my english is kinda lacky; you know, being brazilian and all... Anyways, this topic is full of glory. Thanks for the tips and what not.
Oh, and nice to meet you too, haha.
Post by: alexwazer on July 16, 2012, 05:11:46 pm
On topic, I wanted to mention a sadly left out skill: mana shield. This is a magic skill, obviously, but that can be really useful even (more so?) for non-mages characters. Every damage you receive while the skill is active will affect MP instead of HP. It's got limited use normally since MP pool is either small or needed for better uses, but when combined with transformation (can't remember if Seriyu mentionned those) and you suddenly have a huge MP pool, it can allow you to be a bit more daring. With good timing, it could also save your life if you use it when you know a hit is coming. It doesn't prevent knockbacks however.
Girl, did you ever actually try using tower cylinder (TC) on raft? According to the wiki it's not possible, but never tried it myself and the wiki can be wrong. Would be interested to know if you have first hand experience. Using barrier spikes to create a small wall around you while using TC can be very effective... it's like playing tower defense! Also, no one mentionned theater missions, which are an awesome place to use TC since the whole thing takes place in such a small area and mobs are plentiful. Sadly, can't use barrier spikes there.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 16, 2012, 05:35:12 pm
Imo, the shields should get a new passive skill that lets them be cast and then forgotten, so you can do other things. Better than just leaving them as a failed experiment of the game devs.
I think the shadow missions are the best way to get experience, but the dungeons are more fun. Less gloomy. More character.
Post by: alexwazer on July 16, 2012, 05:46:12 pm
As for experience, I mostly stick to commerce. It's as good experience as high-end dungeons or shadow missions, but less risky (somewhat) and is easier to start/stop whenever you want. As far as I am concerned, dungeons are just for loot, fun, some Fun once in a while and more loot.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 16, 2012, 05:52:49 pm
Commerce probably has the best rewards; the expensive swords you can buy are the best in the game :P
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 06:20:56 pm
Ice Shield is a useful skill for ballooning. There's an area where only ice wyverns appear, and ice shield prevents stagger. When you get kited out right, you can get two players to harvest stars incredibly easily. With high-ranked, chain-casting firebolt, you can one-shot the wyverns and get massive rewards. The big thing, is the infamous Ring Bow, which you get for a rare reward, as well as considerably exp and gold.
Mana Shield is another thing. It's like a personal shield that covers you, leaving you still able to move and attack as normal, while any attack on you drains MP instead of HP - and it prevents wounds! At low rank it's less efficient, with 10 damage doing 15 MP drain, but at high levels I think you hit about 30%, so 10 damage would only drain 3 MP. It's an incredibly useful skill that basically lets you quadruple your staying power, and the people who use it rarely use MP anyways (melee characters).
Commerce doesn't care about your level. The bandits that spawn ONLY care about your cargo. Expensive cargo spawns harder bandits, no matter what your level is! Done right, it's crazy easy money. Easy enough that there used to be dozens of bots on every channel. And delicious joy using magic music to lure bears over and watch them all get eaten.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 06:39:02 pm
Spoiler: In the beginning (click to show/hide)
Of note is that while mabinogi's plot is pretty good, it does have a lot of random chunks missing, which may result in some incorrect statements, where things match up wrong. Most of the terms used in it are also used in welsh/irish mythology, also, as a note.
Post by: alexwazer on July 16, 2012, 06:43:10 pm
I've never used a tower cylinder myself, but I've seen youtube of towers on rafts, so I know it's possible - or at least used to be possible. That guy tore up the rafting.
Ah right, found the video. It's over a year old, but checking back at all patches since TC were released I see no mention about them concerning rafting. That's something I'll have to test as soon as possible since that would make level exploration much easier for Kyu.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 06:49:38 pm
Also I believe the Mabinogi lore has more retcon than Futurama. Do you know EVERYTHING that happened in that cryo tube? GOD!
Post by: Skyrunner on July 16, 2012, 06:55:10 pm
Also I believe the Mabinogi lore has more retcon than Futurama. Do you know EVERYTHING that happened in that cryo tube? GOD!:(
Mabinogi used to have a perfectly storyboarded and made story, up to G3.
Then G9 happened. Shadow world~
G10, G11, G12 were all shadow world. Then G13 and freaking Hamlet ... From there it's been not salvageable. :(
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 06:57:58 pm
Although a free Siren's Flute is pretty awesome.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 16, 2012, 06:58:34 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 07:04:07 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 07:08:04 pm
I will honestly defend the plot up until the shakespere stuff begins. It still fits the plot and setting, there's some retconning, but given what it's competing with (litterally nothing in many cases) it still holds up really well. There are a few bits that I just hate
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then Shakespeare happens and I just shrug and move on.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 16, 2012, 07:20:22 pm
Of course, games like Talesweaver have an extensive story (they hired a famous fantasy writer for it), but the gameplay was sorta not up to scratch, so it failed.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 07:28:10 pm
Aside from that yeah, can't think of any. I'll still be covering the shakespeare bit, because near the beginning you can tell they tried to tie it in, but they got lazy and they basically went "shakespeare wrote plays, and uhhhh yeah. Also monsters."
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 07:49:29 pm
Post by: Frumple on July 16, 2012, 08:15:30 pm
Bishie Hamlet will forever be Best Hamlet.
Now, what it does to the rest of mab's storyline? Eehhh.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 08:16:33 pm
But Shakespear is rolling in his grave.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2012, 08:24:02 pm
He's something akin to a jet turbine at this point, I think.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 08:40:01 pm
But Mabinogi turned Shakespeare into the Pied Piper and someone who tricked the gods, lived in an alternate dimension, escaped death, and apparently was an elf at some point.
It's sorta like the new movies of Sherlock Holmes and Abraham Lincoln: Bounty Hunter. One is a retelling in strange ways, the other is blasphemy.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 16, 2012, 10:41:52 pm
In general, I think there should be stricter international regulations regarding the development of plots and use of imagination by Southeast Asian game producers.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2012, 10:45:27 pm
Post by: Aoi on July 16, 2012, 11:23:51 pm
I'm pretty sure he started rolling in his grave when reader's digest wrote that "teenager version" of romeo and juliet, complete with horribly used and spammed teenager slang of the era.
Was that the one given the title akin to "Oh Romeo, oh, like, Wow?" I remember that one-- it was by Dave Barry. =P
It's sorta like the new movies of Sherlock Holmes and Abraham Lincoln: Bounty Hunter. One is a retelling in strange ways, the other is blasphemy.
I found the Sherlock Holmes movies to be more blasphemous... at least Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is clearly intended as a joke. (Random note: Van Helsing's first name was Abraham too...)
Post by: Skyrunner on July 17, 2012, 12:34:29 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2012, 01:23:49 am
I'm pretty sure he started rolling in his grave when reader's digest wrote that "teenager version" of romeo and juliet, complete with horribly used and spammed teenager slang of the era.
Was that the one given the title akin to "Oh Romeo, oh, like, Wow?" I remember that one-- it was by Dave Barry. =P
It may have been, I recall it being used an object of ridicule in english class back in highschool. :P
And brief reminder to anyone that has, if you have a character, even if you don't intend to get into the steam chat (especially if you don't intend to get into the steam chat), gimme your username in game, so I can add you to my friends list and the OP, so we can invite you to dungeon runs or whatever we're doin.
Post by: Aoi on July 17, 2012, 01:33:26 am
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Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2012, 02:16:56 am
Oh yeah. Tistia, here. Just went over to Cobh to try and find that guildstone mentioned in the first post but didn't see it anywhere. Heading back to Tir right now. Currently a useless L16 ranged.
AyeAye.
The OP should be updated, the guildstone has long expired.
Also a good point. Doing it now.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 17, 2012, 07:21:56 am
Post by: majikero on July 17, 2012, 07:30:10 am
Money is Mabinogi is gold coins. Unlike in other online games where where you can carry tons of coins, gold here is a physical resource that takes inventory space. It eats one square per 1k of gold so you have to buy a gold pouch to keep you money from eating all your precious inventory. A gold pouch is 2x2 and comes 10k pouch or a 50k pouch. You store you gold in the bank when you pouch is full. You can also store items in the bank but please note that the right half of the bank storage is a premium service. You get a month of free premium service i think.
The good thing about Mabinogi is that grinding for high end rare stuff is optional. You can keep using the stuff you get from the beginner quest till your running end game dungeons. The difference between cheap store bought stuff and rare items is a few points difference, a cooler look, and a higher repair cost. The most expensive item on the cheap end of the scale is about 50k, that's the kite shield and two-handed swords. The expensive stuff can reach 600k and that's only the once you can buy from the store. Player bought stuff can go for a few millions.
Why you want to buy all those overpriced stuff when you can get get by with something cheaper? Because you want to, what's why!
Player economy in Mabi is "want" driven. It's not required to get rare and expensive junk to play. In fact, I just wasted 40k on clothes I didn't even want and 80k on gloves with not much stat difference because I can.
Now, on to "How to Earn Gold the Easy way!".
1. Commerce Runs
- in Uladh, the fomors have set up trade of fomor goods between the cities. These goods use ducats, which takes no inventory space and is non-tradable. You also earn 1 gold and 2 exp for every ducat you earn.
2. Fomor Scrolls
- in Uladh, monsters drop fomor scrolls. For every 10 fomor scrolls, you can turn it in for gold. Rabbie dungeon is the best place for that.
3. Selling necessities and other items people want
- there are some things that people use in the day-to-day basis. In Mabi, you can either make it yourself or buy it from other people. Anyways, some people are to lazy to grind for items then they're sitting on millions of gold. Holy water is one of those necessity. It's used to bless items to prevent them from dropping upon death, reduce durability decrease and increases repair success rate. You can get them from church part-time jobs. They normally sell for 20k per stack but you can undercut your competition by selling it at 15k.
Anyways, those are the easiest and low risk gold earners.
Now for some money saving alternatives:
1. Fomor weapons
- this is the main use of ducats. Besides using ducats to buy trade goods, you can buy fomor weapons. These have higher stats than normal but can't be upgraded. It's a cheap, powerful and easy to maintain but upgraded normal weapons are better in the long run.
2. Make you own potions
- potion making and herbalism. If your a spell caster like me, you'll be eating MP potions like candy by day. Making your own potions is made easier with the introduction of homestead. Level up your homestead, put down enough herb patches. If you want herbs, just ask one of the more established players here.
I would have added pictures but I'm lazy.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 17, 2012, 07:45:27 am
Can guild ownership be transferred? As I'm VIP anyway, I wouldn't mind "taking over" the guild so we have a guildstone again. (No worries Girlinhat, you can have all the fancy admin privileges you had before... I hope. How does that system work? :-\)I don't think so: as long as the guild master is whoever it was, only she can reactivate the guild.
About Mabinogi... I really really like the "perverted" (in most MMORPG's standards) market. The same flashy sword with a blood-red hue costs a couple times a plain one, and mottled brown and purple pretty clothes are much cheaper than, say, ones that flash between colors; often by six times or more. I distinctly remember that a maid uniform that was in the maid colors was 3000k, while one that wasn't was 1500k.
Most items have similar stats. In fact, the humble broad sword is the best weapon you would find, fully upgraded (222A, 223B... many recipes abound), and the rare items usually aren't worth it. For example, the Trinity staff: when it first was released, it cost up to 100000k on the Korean servers, despite not *really* being worth that much. Why? Because one, it was rare, and two, the characters had a nice posture that only came with the staff. @_@
Enchantments are, along with upgrades, the way to max out your weapon's power. It depends on weapon, but some enchantments are cheap and useful, others expensive and useful, and a few prohibitively so. There is a enchantment called Steel Needle. Steel Needle itself was pretty uncommon by enchantment standards, too, because you had to get it either from wild trolls as a drop, or from Albi Advanced (or whatever the highest dungeon is...), 3 person, from the treasure room, enchanted on a practice sword. That meant it had to be reverse enchanted to get the scroll, which was pretty hard to do. Why? It was eighth rank. That also meant it had to be enchanted over a ninth rank enchantment, which had to be enchanted over an A rank enchantment. Steel Needle gauntlets cost 85000k in their height, though much cheaper now.
Just in case anyone is an aspiring archer, I recommend getting a composite bow with the Stamp enchantment. I don't know the American server prices, but it cost 500k (or 500,000g in case I misunderstood what 'k' stands for). Combined with the correct upgrade formula for a composite bow, it's a relatively cheap and powerful weapon. It increases your damage by eight if you are over 16.
[/end rant-thingy-reminiscence-thingy]
I might post a more coherent one about the (Korean) Mabinogi market if anyone wants to listen, tomorrow. >.> This post is just me talking about the good ol' days when I actually played it >_<
Post by: majikero on July 17, 2012, 07:50:01 am
The flashing colors are an eyesore. Not sure what people see in them to charge those prices.
Also, K stands for thousand. I thinks its from "kilo" which is 1000 in the metric system. M is million obviously.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 17, 2012, 07:52:45 am
Also, the flashing colors ... some people got together and cataloged every single one that existed, depending on which colors they mainly shifted through, what speed and what rate... Anyways, there's a complex market out there, and they're rare. Electronic bragging.
About dyes, if they're pretty (such as black black, pure white, red red, blue blue...) they usually sell better. But only if they're "fixed" dyes, not the ones that you have to pick from a minigame. Which reminds me someone made a program that helps you dye your clothes. xD
Post by: Singularity125 on July 17, 2012, 08:07:38 am
Anyway, I should get ready for work.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2012, 10:37:47 am
Really, guild leadership isn't a whole lot. We were never big enough to access the "guild budget" which seems like a big deal, but if I understood it right then the owner could withdraw funds if it were put to a vote, and use the gold as they wish - preferably using them as they said they would!
But we didn't really use that much. We just enjoyed the guild chat and instant-Tara teleport, though that's less important now because moongates are wide open. In that regard, the guild leader is just the person with the crown on their name, nothing more.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 17, 2012, 05:48:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2012, 06:02:05 pm
Post by: Ozyton on July 17, 2012, 06:39:14 pm
You can also store items in the bank but please note that the right half of the bank storage is a premium service. You get a month of free premium service i think.The right half of your bank goes poof once you reach level 30. I think it's 6 spots horizontally that are locked.
Also, you now get two pet whistles when you start, one that gets you a free Thoroughbred (fast mount) and an eagle (flying mount) and a pet card that lets you make a thoroughbred only available for 7 real days. None of these pets have inventories, but as far as I know the pets make using the whistles are permanent. I didn't know that at the time though, so my pets have silly names. Oh well =p
Oh, and when you get the 'Advent of the Goddess' quests make sure you do them. Some of the dungeons may be a bit hard, but the first few quests are simple and net you some nice AP for your skills. A lot of 'Advent of the Goddess' is going between Dunbarton and Tir Chonaill (and Sidhe Sneachta which is just a short ways north of Tir Chonaill). I waited a while before doing them because I thought it would be annoying but it's well worth the AP. 2 or 3 AP just to deliver a book to an NPC, then sitting in front of said NPC until a book arrives then getting another 2 AP is pretty damn swell... repeatedly =p Tedious but... it's AP.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2012, 06:57:29 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 17, 2012, 07:14:57 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2012, 07:18:12 pm
Although apparently you're not very chummy, if you don't even remember his name!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 17, 2012, 07:24:50 pm
Wants to bed... hmm, you sure you're not talking about me?
Aren't you a girl in a hat..?
Although apparently you're not very chummy, if you don't even remember his name!
It's been like 400 (in-game) years!
Post by: majikero on July 17, 2012, 07:31:27 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2012, 08:05:59 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2012, 11:58:42 pm
With us today is myself (Mobliz) and Ozythesage(OzyTheSage). The dungeon is Ciar intermediate, which while mostly fairly straightforward, does have one particular, very interesting enemy.
(http://i.imgur.com/6y1OT.jpg)
The snakes however, as seen below, are not it. They are very fast for the amount of HP they have, however.
(http://i.imgur.com/nPLGA.jpg)
I'll be honest, most of the monsters in the dungeon are single aggro snakes. However, they come in different colors, which count for the "seperate enemy aggro" rule, which can make things a little hairy at times.
(http://i.imgur.com/VJN08.jpg)
Now heeeere's the interesting enemy. Rat men! The rat man's gimmick is that, well, being a rat, he plays some tricks. For instance, USUALLY, when he says "Prepare a heavy blow." he will load smash and run at you. But occasionally, he'll not load smash, and just run at you with a normal attack, which if you're trying to counter a smash, with a normal attack, you'll usually get smacked and comboed because he has a very fast attack speed. This was particularly troublesome when sharp mind was still in, which would occasionally fail to identify a skill. You failed to identify a skill! He's standing still! Is it counterattack or windmill? Who can say! Hit him with an ice bolt, don't risk it. I have no idea how people in the korean (I think?) servers deal with them, because sharp mind, and skill bubbles in general don't exist in oversea servers. Maybe just magic spam.
(http://i.imgur.com/cqaKp.jpg)
Of course, most of this doesn't matter if you just tank them with windguard, or attack from range, so they weren't a huge problem. They threw me a few curveballs though, I'm not ashamed to admit it.
(http://i.imgur.com/yIuWQ.jpg)
On to the boss. Like most ciar bosses, it's a golem, with a load of metal skeletons. Since this was intermediate, the skeletons were lightly armoed, which gives them a very small chance to activate heavy stander or natural shield. I don't think mana deflector is included.
(http://i.imgur.com/XygrD.jpg)
Now for the boss, the golem itself. Golems are notorious for being one of the harder boss monsters for melee people to deal with, because they have both stomp and windmill, both are very dangerous, and the work in fairly different ranges. This particular fight started out with an attempt at millwalling, but it kinda went nuts when my windmill lagged and gave him time to smash ozy up a bit. I decided to just rush it and smash him to death, while ozy provided long range support. Ozy lasted riiiight up until the end of the fight, when the golem got past me and managed to kill him. Sorry bout that.
Also of note is that Ozy is handling himself very well, so good on you for that too!
Good times.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2012, 12:12:37 am
Usually the ratman is dead before he can feint though. >.>
Smash or Magnum Shot. Usually Smash. Or Windmill, before it was nerfed to remove its invulnerability. Oftentimes, the simple regular attacks finish ratmen off. With two broad swords, hit-hit-hit-hit-dead. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 12:21:34 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2012, 12:23:36 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 12:29:59 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2012, 12:33:05 am
Gargoyles are relatively smart, too.
Anyways, often criticized is the protection/defense loading up evident the harder you go. Dungeons like Kiar Hard Mode are impossible to do without max-maxing. :3
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 06:23:06 pm
Basic melee combat, hopefully helping ranged fighters understand the basics they need to function well, and helping understand what the hell those melee people are doing anyway.
Melee combat in mabinogi is pretty intimidating and in depth, which is why I don't mind seeing newer archers and such making some simple mistakes. For the most part they're doing fine, but there's one inparticular that bugs the hell out of me...
If there is an enemy rushing at you, you hit a defensive skill hotkey. We'll go over defensive skills and which ones you should be using later in this update. Don't try to beat their attack, in the worst case scenario they're going to get an entire combo off on you and probably kill you. Hit a defensive skill hotkey, counterattack, defense, or windmill. Everyone should have those three on their hotbar somewhere, preferably in an easily accessible place.
What skills should you use? One, if you don't have a shield, you should probably be using counterattack mostly. Don't be afraid to use defense, it's still a fine defensive skill, but the effectiveness is greatly diminished without a shield and one of the primary things you should be trying to do in a melee fight is preventing serious damage to yourself. Note that if counterattack is cooling down, and you don't have time to switch to your weapon set with a shield, or you just don't have one, defense is still an excellent skill to use, and much less of a crapshoot then trying to land a windmill. It'll still reduce damage significantly.
Two, if you DO have a shield, you should be using defense. Having a shield increases the defensive abilities of defense pretty well. Do note that against higher end stronger enemies, even rank F of defense with a shield isn't gonna be enough to stop all of their attack, but it'll still cut it down pretty nice, and more importantly, I think it'll prevent wounds. Still, on stronger and stronger enemies, you should be moving more to counterattack. Why use defense over counterattack? Counterattack drains stamina, prevents you from moving, and more importantly, unless you've got a huge rank of it, you'll do more damage with the subsequent combo opening defense provides then the counterattack damage in almost every situation.
Three, if an enemy is approaching from an awkward angle and your'e dealing with another monster, whether in melee or range, IMMEDIATELY load windmill and attack wildly with it. Make sure your cursor is in windmill range, you'll know when it's not when there's a little x below the arrow in the circle. Even if both of them are fairly close, it'll likely hit both, knock them back, and give someone some time to get over there and help out if they can. Which leads into then ext point...
Sometimes, not often, but sometimes the melee fighters will be dealing with something dangerous enough that they can't realistically pull themselves away from the monster they're fighting to help someone else. To use a semi recent dungeon run as an example, the black ship rats hit pretty hard and moved very fast. There really wasn't a realistic situation where helping other people out was possible, unless someone was transformed, and even then it'd be risky. Even if someone ran towards an ally to windmill some rats off them, the rats they were fighting would almost certainly catch up, and in a worst case situation, kill the melee fighter and leave the ranged person to deal with the new rat that's now that much closer.
IIiii feel like I've forgotten something but maybe not. Anyway there you are. Now stop trying to beat a normal attack with a normal attack, and stop making me proverbially shake my fist at the screen every time it happens.
Post by: Ozyton on July 18, 2012, 06:54:12 pm
If you can shoot fast enough hitting them with a basic ranged attack will give you enough time to take a few steps back. With counterattack you will get some distance between you and the enemy, but you become stunned after countering, meaning that as soon as you're able to move the enemy has gotten up and is charging you once more. Sometimes it's better to just rapidly fire volleys of arrows in hopes that you will raise their knockback meter enough to push them back. Or if you want to risk it you can load Magnum Shot, which will pretty much always knock enemies back quite a bit, and since they are probably very close to you the aim will rapidly reach 80% which should be enough. If not, just hope you're quick to hit the counter button =p
As for bows themselves, short bows load skills slightly quicker, allowing you to fire in quick succession, while longbows have a longer range, allowing you to aim quicker. How fast you aim is based on the skill you're using and how far within maximum range they are. An enemy at a short bow's maximum range will take a while for a short bow to aim at, but since they're nearly at half longbow range aiming will be very quick for long bows. Magnum Shot among other skills will not take your Ranged Attack's aiming boost into account. Support shot aims at 130% speed (but I don't think it's affected by Ranged Attack? I would check if I could get ingame) so you could support shot when they get close, then windmill them away for more melee damage. You'll be using bare-handed damage for all your windmills (and counters?) if you have your bow equipped so it may be better to get your ranged attack skill higher and just use that.
On a final note, sometimes when you are far from your enemy and you have already attacked them, they will be out of range. Trying to load a skill will cause you to run towards them like a fucking idiot. If that happens you want to hit spacebar so you aren't attacking/targetting them, so they can come to you. You want to do this because even while aiming at enemies out of range your accuracy will increase. So if you aim for several seconds with a Magnum Shot while they are out of range, as soon as they enter range accuracy will be at maximum, allowing you to hit them instantly. If somebody know how to do this without having to deselect the enemy with spacebar, please tell me =<
Post by: majikero on July 18, 2012, 06:58:59 pm
Anyways, back on melee combat. Melee combat is like rock-paper-scissors. Block beats normal attack, Smash beats Block, normal attack beats Smash, Counter beats normal attack and Smash, Windmill beats everything if you do it right. That's the most of it. Not sure about lance combat and fighter skills though.
Never really use range though, 5 charge firebolt usually kills anything without Mana Deflector. If they survive, shoot another. Why am I the only mage here? I'll give you all the basic spellbooks and a wand if I have to.
Post by: Ozyton on July 18, 2012, 07:05:11 pm
Block beats normal attack. Windmill beats everything if you do it right.I think defense will prevent you from being knocked down/back by windmill.
Post by: majikero on July 18, 2012, 07:08:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 07:10:15 pm
And yes, defense keeps things from being knocked down by windmill.
Rock paper scissors is the base, but there's more then that to it, and as tomarrow's thing will show, using smash for only breaking defense is a horrible waste. Most ranged fighters won't have to worry about that though.
And while I need the advanced magic for mana crystalization eventually, I somehow think that's not what you're talkin about. :p
Post by: Ozyton on July 18, 2012, 07:17:06 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 07:28:40 pm
There's a better alternative to that but we'll be going over that tomorrow.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2012, 07:59:01 pm
Which Skills Do What
One thing to note: Most skills give permanent bonuses to stats, most of them at higher ranks. This could be an incentive to max out all the relevant skills of your needed stat, but be warned: many skills only offer bonus points at high ranks.
Disclaimer: This guide is NOT telling you to never put points into some skills. It is merely sharing which skills are better to put points in earlier.
Disclaimer: Some stats may be different from race to race, especially AP.
Leap Attack—Str + 17, uses 201 AP. Bonuses rank 9 ~
Personally, I don't recommend putting points in this skill over other skills like Smash. You get a humdrum handful of permanent Str, and 200% damage at rank 1, but you might as well use Smash. Especially since Leap Attack is rather hard to train, and has limited usage.
Charge (Assault?) — Stamina + 45, Str + 13. Uses 207 AP. Bonuses Stamina every rank, Str 9~
Another "meh" skill that is better to put off until later. You can negate some damage of ranged attacks while charging, and the more ranks you put in the further you can charge. At rank 1, you negate 60% of ranged damage and attack with 150% damage.
Defense—Life +41, +15 to base Defense, uses 205 AP. Bonuses every rank.
Defense is a rather nifty skill, in that in increases your base Defense and is easy to train. You may note that it doesn't have challenge ratings (ie, "Kill one BOSS monster"). This means you can throw a rock to piss off a white spider and just keep on defending until you rank up. At rank 1, you increase your Defense by 55, and Protection by 25% for a successful Defense.
Throw Attack—Str + 13, Will + 19, 148 AP. Str from rank 9, Will every rank.
I never did a Giant, so I can't tell you how awesome or not this skill is. At rank 1 you hit with 900% damage.
Lance Charge—Str + 21, Will + 21, 415 AP. Str & Will from rank 9.
This is a moderately expensive skill. Cheap skills cost roughly 200, moderate 400, and expensive 600 (most intermediate magic) to master. I never used any Lance skills, so I can't comment.
Lance Counter—Dex + 11, 255 AP. Dex from rank 9.
Same.
Ranged Combat Mastery—Dex + 50, Str + 6. 187 AP. Dex every rank, Str from rank 6.
You be an archer? If you no put this, you very sad.
*cough* Anyways, you get fifty Dex and +10 min +25 max to damage, ranged. You need this. If only for the Dex. But if you're really going to work, DON'T raise RCM first. You would have to do Refining first, because Refining has stupid failure training, which gets harder with higher Dex. Also, elfs need 279 AP to get RCM to rank 1, and only get 22 Dex for that effort. Devcat does not like elfs.
Magnum Shot—Dex + 18, 232 AP. Dex from rank 9.
The Smash of archers. A must have. You deal 500% damage at rank 1, and always knock over enemies, just like Smash. Even ones with Natural Shield. However, if they're using Defense, they don't get knocked over. Elfs need 235 AP to get the same effect. Magnum Shot also loads faster from rank 9, taking 1.5 seconds instead of 2 for humans. Elfs load it faster than humans, 1.5 until A, 1 second until 6, and 0.5 from 5. So... Devcat doesn't hate elfs too much.
Mirage Missile—Elf only. Dex + 23 Int + 14. 201 AP. Dex every rank, Int from A.
Cheap and powerful. If you're an elf, you want at least an F in MM.
Stomp—Stamina + 31, Str + 31, 152 AP. Bonus every rank.
Yes. Trains fast and is cheap, and gives much strength. Giants only.
Support Shot—Dex + 20. 181 AP. Every rank bonus.
The good thing about SS is that it not only doesn't break the comboing of a meleeing friend, but that it also increases the next melee hit's damage. 20% at F, 70% at 1.
Smash—Str + 8, Will + 8. 215 AP & bonuses from 8.
The bread and butter of human melee combat is all in Smash. It's the primary damage-dealer. You hit at 500% damage at 1.
Arrow Revolver—Str +8, Dex+30. Str from 8, Dex every rank. 214 AP
The only reason human archers haven't disappeared from the face of the earth is because Arrow Revolver! :D It's Human only, and allows you to quickly shoot a bunch of arrows at a target.
Windmill—Str + 30, Will + 50. Both every rank. 209 AP
An excellent skill. The range of Windmill increases at 9, 5, 2. The difference between 9 and 2 is really huge. The 250% damage, which ignores protection bonus, is prone to critical hits.
Actually, I think after the nerfing of Windmill, it doesn't ignore protection.
Counterattack—Dex + 15, every rank. AP 173
The harder the foe was hitting you, the harder you hit him. At rank 1 you deal twice the foe's and 150% your own damage, with a 10% enhanced critical chance. Though you get little in the way of stat bonuses, this is a nice skill to use, especially in the later dungeons where every hit has the potential to kill you on a critical.
Crash Shot—Mana + 16, Dex + 31. 490 AP. Mana from 9, Dex every rank.
Girlin testifies to the power of Crash Shot. CS also increases the range it leaps to and the number of shards. Strangely, only Crash Shot has the shooter firing from a traditional archer pose.
Final Hit—Str + 46, Will + 13. 414 AP.
Human only. Using two swords you become a fairly invincible powerhouse of destruction. The higher the rank, the further you can TP, and the longer you stay in Final Hit mode. Final Hit enables you to strike without regard for other pesky skills like Counterattack; it's also hard to get because of the various pages, quests, and Final Attack dungeon. If you can get it, get it!
Final Shot—Stamina +18, Dex+41, 414 AP
Elf only. Final Hit with arrows. You aim faster in Final Shot mode. Final Shot is relatively easier to get than Final Hit. Still, the dungeon for it is pretty harsh, with multi-aggro and lots of monsters. Final Shot is best for spamming Magnum Shot. Not as awesome as Final Hit, but still fairly useful.
Evasion—Dex 4, from rank 4. 91 AP.
??? I don't know about this one. It's sorta useful, but not really. No real bonuses, a cheap 91 AP, limited usage. You can dodge arrows and bolts but have to evade at the correct timing. A niche skill.
Melee Combat Master—Str + 42, Dex + 10. 230 AP.
A must-have, but preferably at a later date. It increases damage by 8 min 18 max, and adds 150 HP. The problem with raising MCM early is that it makes other skills' training hard. A high MCM makes monsters look like AWFUL when they used to be BOSS, or even -blank- instead of BOSS.
Critical Hit—+45 Will. 132 AP.
Unlike most other games, raising Critical Hit doesn't increase the chances of a crit, but increases the damage resulting from it.
Various Weapon Masteries: + 19 to either Str or Dex, and usually cost around 190. Same reason to put AP into Mastery skills as MCM, and same cons, too. Archers must put points into Bow Mastery, though, because bows have weaker damage than their melee cousins.
I'll do Life and Magic skills later. I hope this long post actually helps people, because I have a creeping suspicion that all this information is already somewhere on the net.
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 08:06:36 pm
Good stuff. Giant ranged attack is nice, but it's definitely not a replacement for say, a bow. There's some stuff you just don't wanna get close to, even as a giant, and ranged attack has a lot higher range then alchemy, which is the only other decent alternative for a ranged option for giants. I personally go with alchemy, but that's mostly due to space constraints on atlatls and javelins.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2012, 08:08:57 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2012, 08:20:44 pm
Post by: Errol on July 19, 2012, 04:49:49 am
Being based in EU might not help matters, though.
Post by: Seriyu on July 19, 2012, 06:24:43 pm
Advanced Melee Combat!
Alrighty, so you want to "main" melee combat, but you really don't know how beyond how to three hit combo and use skills, and have no idea where to go from here. Don't worry, mabinogi explains itself poorly, and it's a common point to get stuck on.
We'll start out with a basic tactic that pretty much anyone, even giants, can use as a stalling manuever, magic counter.
First, get into a situation where you can successfully counter. Immediately after the enemy attacks you and gets countered, load ice bolt. When the enemy starts getting up, and NOT BEFORE, hit it with the ice bolt. THis will stun it and allow you to load counter. Which will allow you to load ice bolt, which will allow you to load counter, and so on. This can also be done with fire bolt for enemies with mana deflector, although it's a bit harder for non magic intensive people to maintain. Most can still manage a few rounds of it at least.
Another stalling maneuver for people without magic, somehow, or people that just have way more stamina then mana, countermill.
Like magic counter, get into a situation where you can counter. When you counter, load windmill, and fire it off when the enemy is in range. Then load counter. Then load windmill. etc.
Now, something that, even in a situation where you lack Stamina, which you should always try to avoid, by the way, you can add some sort of damage to your basic attacks (additionally, it's something you can add to anything that involves a basic combo, so). N+1!
Now, there are two ways to do this. Hit the enemy up until your second to last hit, then delay the hit for a little bit. Don't let the enemy come out of stun, but delay it as long as you feel is safe, then hit him again. This will give you an extra hit, because that delay caused the knockback meter to get enough space for another hit in it. If you have trouble getting the timing, another way to do this is to delay every hit a little bit. This works much better on faster weapons. The effect from this really isn't amazing, but if you're in a fight with a tough enemy you're going to need to add all the damage you can.
Yet more in the field of "enhanced combos", N+smash , or alternately, N+1+smash.
Do a combo, wait until the second to last hit (you can also do N+1 for an extra hit), then load smash and immediately hit him with it. This is easier with slow weapons, and with knuckles the timing is pinpoint precise, but it's still possible. To just get this out of the way, you can also do this with windmill. Combo (N+1 if you like), load windmill, fire windmill. It's nice for when enemies are in windmill range nearby.
Now, let's move on to team tactics.
First up, the most common team tactic, and something you'll see used a lot in B12 runs (and really any dungeon run), millwall.
First, you need at least one windmiller, preferably two, and at least one ranged attacker. The ranged attacker situates himself in range of the enemy, probably a boss, and the windmill user moves in front of him. THe ranged attacker hits the boss, and instead of taking off, stays put and loads another shot. He continues firing on the boss until it reaches in range of the windmiller, who bashes him with windmill, causing it to be knocked back. And the cycle repeats. Ideally the monster never targets the windimiller, since the ranged attacker is keeping the pressure up, which makes it possible for the windmiller to easily windmill the boss. Windmill windmill windmill.
Now for another thing you probably won't see often, but can still work if you're ever in such a situation Smashmill.
First, the boss must be against a wall. This is kind've the main issue with it. One person smashes the boss, the other person windmills the boss, the other person smashes the boss, etc. This should keep the boss locked down long enough for the high damage of smash and windmill to kill it off. Timing is very finnicky, be warned.
That should do it for now, although I feel like I'm missing something. There's other stuff but I feel most of it is of questionable usefulness.
Also, don't be afraid to play with skills and make your own combinations, it's certainly possible. I've come up with a thing that as far as I'm aware isn't used widely by other people (N+(1+)smash+Assault Slash+Windmill) and xandak had an idea for something although I never tested it. (Charge+N(+1)+smash/windmill)
So yeah, that's that. I'll FINALLY get the OP table of contents hooked up tomorrow.
Post by: Ozyton on July 19, 2012, 08:07:00 pm
Decided to give MMORPGs one more shot. Registered for this.
Being based in EU might not help matters, though.
Having another lag buddy would be swell, we can suffer together =)
Hit the enemy up until your second to last hit, then delay the hit for a little bit. Don't let the enemy come out of stun, but delay it as long as you feel is safe, then hit him again.This confused me for a long while until I saw an enemy actually do it to me. What you're doing is attacking once, then waiting for your character to reset back from the attack animation which is shorter than the enemy's stun time. Then you continue with your combo. You can't do it with 1 hit weapons for obvious reasons.
N+1 is a little different for dual wielding, but since I don't dual wield I don't quite know how it works. You basically get almost twice as many hits than normal.
Post by: Seriyu on July 19, 2012, 09:20:14 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 19, 2012, 09:31:33 pm
Also, you get 2 hits for every attack when dual wielding, even the last one. It looks like it doesn't , but it does. :P I'm pretty sure two damage numbers appear. That's why dual wielding rocks xD Who needs a shield anyways?
I think some people did a experiment to check if left/right matters, but I don't remember the result.
N+1 hitting is dangerous, for 2 hit weapons while dual wielding >.> It often doesn't pay off, in my experience.
Post by: Seriyu on July 19, 2012, 09:49:00 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 19, 2012, 09:53:30 pm
When you hit someone with an attack, their Stun and Down is increased, but Stun decreases faster than Down. With two weapons, you deal more stun and more down, so it's harder to make the enemy not be pushed back (Down max or Stun max) or knocked over. I don't know what's the difference between being knocked over and pushed back, but it's true :P That's also why the N+1 is possible xD
Post by: Seriyu on July 19, 2012, 10:08:36 pm
I think knockdown/knockback is determined by howm uch the last hit goes over the knockdown gauge maybe? Seems like it, since smash usually triggers a knockdown, and always maxes out the bar.
Post by: Ozyton on July 19, 2012, 10:24:46 pm
Useful link (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Types_of_Hits)
Post by: Skyrunner on July 19, 2012, 10:27:59 pm
On the other hand, hitting a Heavy Standing 3 enemy with any other attack(melee) resets their stun&knockdown bars, so don't. xD
In case this hasn't been brought up!:
Stages of Natural Shield, Heavy Standing, Mana Reflector: Passive Defense
Each monster has a different rank. There are three distinct ranks, 1, 2, and 3; four if you count 0. Inside the game, it is coded as rank 9, 5 and 1, but we don't need to know that :3
Most weak monsters don't have any of these skills, while many strong monsters have one or more. The player can access these skills' effects through three methods. One, use Defense with a shield: blocking Magnum Shot with a shield will cause the player to flash yellow, create a metallic ringing, and reduce damage while still standing. Same with all magic except for Firebolt. The second method is to raise the Transform (Paladin, Dark Knight, Beast, Falcon) skills. Third is to upgrade your shield to have a small chance of creating a special effect.
There are three of these special skills. Natural Shield is against ranged physical attacks, Heavy Standing against physical melee, and Mana Reflector against magic.
Heavy Stander
Rank 1 of any of those three:
- No stun from the applying attack type
- Cannot be knocked down from the applying attack type
- 10% chance of above two effects being activated
Rank 2 of any of those three:
- Same as Rank 1, except it has a 50% chance of being activated
- Upon activation, damage is reduced by a certain amount.
Rank 3 of any of those three:
- Same as rank 1, except it has a 100% chance of being activated
- All damage is rendered as "1".
Personally, I like the activation sound. It's so distinctive and cheery (even if I'm on the receiving side. . . ).
Natural Shield activates 100% from rank two. It also does not ignore stun, but does ignore knockback gauge. Also, it doesn't flash yellow with that nice sound at Rank 1, but is always on, with a passive knockdown ignoring effect.
Same with Mana Reflector. You cannot knock down a Mana Reflector Rank 1 monster with three Icebolts.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 19, 2012, 11:48:35 pm
Be VERY careful how you handle multiple people facing the same enemy. Knockdown control is critical!
Post by: Skyrunner on July 20, 2012, 12:42:35 am
You forgot one important detail. 100% knockdown skills will always knock down an enemy with passive defense. Zombies have level 3 natural shield, but magnum will still knock them back.
Actually, Smash/Firebolt/Magnum Shot(when not blocked with shield + defense)/Windmill(same) always knock down. Even when the enemy has rank 3 in Mana Reflector, Natural Shield, Heavy Standing. It's hardcoded, so they're really useful in defeating enemies....
???
I did forget the intermediate magic part, but yeah.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2012, 12:59:09 am
Anyway all I did this time was kneel down and curse Nexon. I'll make my legit new character tomorrow.
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2012, 01:33:44 am
Post by: Aoi on July 20, 2012, 01:50:27 am
Post by: Errol on July 20, 2012, 02:34:48 am
What's your regular online times?
Post by: Aoi on July 20, 2012, 02:45:38 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2012, 03:17:31 am
This will all be much easier to arrange in game when we get the guild back up whenever, but until than. :p
Post by: alexwazer on July 20, 2012, 02:20:26 pm
Speaking of week end, there is a double rainbow event going on right now and for the full week end. It gives double experience for killing stuff and, more importantly, double AP from leveling (both normal and exploration). Might also add some other double stuff (like drops or something), but AP's the real thing.
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2012, 06:02:59 pm
In a couple of patches, one, the ore stack limit will be raised to 50, and mining with a pick in general will be buffed. This is..... wonderful news. Along with that a ton of new gathering skills will enter, like "mushroom gathering" "Harvest" Mining mastery" etc. So that's kinda neat too.
The bard destiny is coming in the... next patch I think?
And again in a couple of patches, the feat system will enter the picture, replacing destinies. I'm terrible at explaining things, but I think you have 5 slots for feats, and each feat does something. 2x training ticks for X skill, whatever. (I dunno if that's one of the feats.) But, you can unlock different feats by doing various stuff in game, like, say, clearing G1 might unlock one or whatever.(Again, dunno if that's one of the unlocks.) It looks interesting.
Off to do the topic equivalent of wiring up a complicated electric device.
Post by: Aoi on July 20, 2012, 06:20:37 pm
Post by: majikero on July 20, 2012, 06:29:04 pm
There's the Double Rainbow weekend event. Double Exp, double drops, double AP, also double skill exp that stacks with destiny bonus.
Also, I got my page 4 Thunder. Yayification.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 20, 2012, 07:11:16 pm
Mining updates sound fantastic, can't wait for that to go live!
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2012, 07:43:33 pm
Also to anyone in the steam chat, the steam chat appears to have bugged out, so exit and rejoin the steam chat to not be stuck in an eternal hell of not being heard.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 20, 2012, 07:57:14 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 21, 2012, 12:23:15 am
If I did give this a shot, would that fact that I'd be a newbie-lowbie bar me from joining in the reindeer games..?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 21, 2012, 12:39:39 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 21, 2012, 12:42:23 am
So I was part-timing for the church and all I have to say is holy shit, cutting wheat is hard.
Always been more of a bush-whacker, myself.
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2012, 04:22:18 am
Seriously, thinking about giving the game another go... if I ever found it lacking anything, that was an active group of folks to share in the adventure, generally fraternize, and break into random pet RP sessions with- "Sssssss! I'mma sssssnake!" 8)
If I did give this a shot, would that fact that I'd be a newbie-lowbie bar me from joining in the reindeer games..?
If you're okay with the potential of death, you can pretty much join in anything.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 04:24:01 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2012, 04:39:42 am
Only one way to find out!
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 04:47:01 am
To try, or not to try xD
I guess it'd be like playing all over again from a beginner's perspective :P I think I would play as an alchemist if I did play. Maybe a memorial card alchemist. Much easier start-up o.o Of course, 25 dollars is a tad expensive...
Archer is probably a bad choice for me, because elf archers depend on there being no lag spikes. Lag = death.
Maybe a pure mage with bolts xD Expensive D:
Or a full support character, except life skills are not appreciated T-T
So hard to choose ...
I'll download the client in hopes it works today night, or so.
Post by: Rose on July 21, 2012, 04:47:26 am
Only one way to find out!
Yup, spend hours and hours downloading the game in the hope that it'll log in.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 04:49:11 am
So... maybe five hours max. :P Also, after the client there are all those pesky updates to apply. Gah.
So much opportunity cost xD
EDIT: Wow, this is just great xD
With Free Download Manager, the dl speed for a 2.5 GB file is fluctuating between 1 mb/s and 9 mb/s. Three minutes to ten minutes left. Really fast >_<
EDIT 2: Oh wait, I saw this on the download page:
Quote
Nexon America is committed to servicing Mabinogi for North America and Oceania regions. If you are trying to connect from other regions, please find your localized version of Mabinogi from the list below.
South Korea | Japan | Taiwan | China
D:
I think that means I'm not allowed in. I'll still try, though, but don't expect anything :(
Now only if I had a proxy of some sort. I can't figure out how to even set up one, don't even know if proxies for MMORPGs exist, so ..yeah.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 07:45:53 am
So, via AOL's lovely broadband connection, I've gotten into Mabinogi. I have an exactly two second delay and any changes on my side won't help, because my connection is probably routed through the AOL server which will not have Nagle's Algorithm off.
I am Nocneah on Alexina.
I don't know what to do, especially as I have next to zero money. I figure I might do potion making, but I don't have money for homestead stuff... :(
My 2-second lag prevents me from being a real help T_T
Anyways, what time (along with timezone) do you usually play?
Post by: Graknorke on July 21, 2012, 03:03:09 pm
I don't think I'll even give them the benefit of caring enough to use a proxy. Unless the USA servers have had their access lifted. But I kind of doubt it. Why did they even do that in the first place anyway?
This makes me sad and possibly having to mingle withe the 'Merikun players. And everyone know USA and Korea are where the hardcore grindfesters live. Yup. I am never going to be able to be any good on the USA servers, if they even let us use those now.
EDIT: Okay, so they lifted the block of Eurpoean players for the N.America servers.
I am still displeased with the nature of this.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 21, 2012, 04:29:43 pm
Also Mabi is somewhat unique because there are virtually no level restrictions anywhere. You can join any regular dungeon (not Hard Mode) and run to any area of the map. If you'll be any good there is another issue, but at the most basic level you can level up your healing and scream and hide.
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2012, 05:25:08 pm
Post by: majikero on July 21, 2012, 06:33:01 pm
I'll try to post a basic overview of the economy once I have the time to hunt down the prices of materials.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 06:35:10 pm
I might as well do Herbalism & Potion Making so I can be helpful, but there's one catch.
I need YOU for the herb collection army!
If you come across red, blue, or yellow herbs in a dungeon, please collect all of them and give them to me >_<
I don't know if I should use Homestead or not. I need 30 herbs to make 1 herb patch, the yields 5-6 herbs a day...
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2012, 06:56:32 pm
Also IGN? Partially so I can toss herbs at you and partially so I can inform you of guild activities.
EDIT: Or get in steam, should it be available of course.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 07:02:16 pm
I suppose Girlinhat is training up potion making too? D:
Also, I still would need to go dungeoning, because you aren't going to level up potion making with a "paltry" 30 herbs per type per day :P Anyways, I hope my service is needed xD
If I add a tree of the right type to the herb patch, I'll recoup the investment in five days.
I need to do part-time jobs ten times to get Herbalism... while elfs and giants just need to ask. :( I feel cheated.
I think I'm going to go mongoose hunting, because I'm not strong enough for Kiar.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 21, 2012, 07:17:10 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2012, 07:21:51 pm
Edit: It seems homestead patches yield 10 per patch, not five. That makes it a pretty good investment.
Post by: majikero on July 21, 2012, 08:09:47 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 21, 2012, 10:35:39 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2012, 10:46:11 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2012, 05:51:25 pm
Post by: majikero on July 22, 2012, 07:27:38 pm
What is a Spirit Weapon?
Well, it's a weapon with a spirit in it, duh.
Why would you want one?
First of all, it's cool. The weapon glows. Glowing things are always cool to have.
Second, Spirit Weapons can grow. It has the potential to be stronger than the original non-spirit weapon when it reaches higher levels.
How much will it cost?
Like all good things in Mabi, it will cost gold, lots of it. From the base weapon to the items needed to level it up, you'll be it to keep it happy so you don't get stat penalties. According to my sources, it cost 10mil worth of items to level-up one stat to 40 and it needs about 20mil to get it from 40 to 50.
I'll add the more detailed post at a later date if anyone is interested, like stats, levels and the best way feed it at minimal cost. I guess I'll also add who to talk to so you can start the quest to get it as well. Everything about the game we post here can be found in the wiki.
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2012, 07:54:01 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 22, 2012, 08:16:46 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2012, 08:46:28 pm
What's a Spirit Weapon?
It's a normal weapon, which has been imbued with a spirit. At the beginning they may even be a bit worse than a regular weapon, but with care and massive money, they can grow more powerful than anything else in the game.
Ok... so what's an "ego" everyone talks about?
Same thing. "Ego" is the Korean translation. Or it's listed as "ego" in the data files. Or something. Don't worry, Ego and Spirit Weapon mean the same thing.
How does got egos?
Fairly easily, actually. You need a weapon with 100 proficiency, no upgrades, and nearly all of its durability. Edern and holy water will be your friend. Once obtained, you'll need a spirit, which you find in gem form. These can be retrieved through Bangor's Barri dungeon (special pass from that old item shop guy) or bought from other players - don't buy them from other players. Finding a new spirit is incredibly easy. It just might take a few runs to get the right weapon type and gender you want. Then it's a few Elemental Removers, which are like 30,000g total, and talk to that bear man. Pretty easy, at least yo get them.
How do they grow?
This is the tricky part. Your spirit weapon grows by consuming equipment and gems. Pretty much anything you can equip, and some things you can't, can be fed to an ego. Found old boots in a dungeon, toss them to your ego! Buuuut it's not quite that simple. Different items give different stat boosts depending on the ego weapon type and the ego gender. A bow spirit won't gain the same stats as a sword spirit, and a male bow spirit won't gain the same stats as a female bow spirit. So finding the ideal items for your specific weapon can be a little tricky. Added to this, they only eat when hungry, and they only grow hungry when they're used in combat or when they sit in your hand for a while. Being AFK and gathering ego hunger is very reliable, especially if you time it.
So gems?
Gems. Gems are your friend. Normal items will give the ego like 16 points in one stat, but a gem will give like 80. Stat growth is based on item value, normally, so expensive items give better growth, except gems follow a different rule, based on gem size instead of direct value. Diamonds are best, but some are obviously better than others for certain weapons. Whichever gem it is that improves Strength on a sword is obviously highly valuable, as strength relates directly to damage. Meanwhile, whatever gem gives Will to a bow is nice, as that increases the wound rate.
My shiny ego is damaged, how do I fix it? D:
This is important, even for people who don't want a spirit weapon. To repair an ego, you take a similar item and sacrifice it. For instance, I'm using a Leather Long Bow, so to repair my ego, I'd need a second Leather Long Bow, and I'd do a special repair on it, consuming the sacrificial item and repairing durability. The higher my ego's durability, the more durability is recovered. For instance, at 18 max dura, it might repair 12 dura to the ego, but at 14 max dura, it might repair 15 dura. So investing in durability can pay off.
But there's a catch! It can fail. If you fail an ego repair, the max dura of your ego goes down! Normally you have some sort of 75% chance to repair. But the higher the sacrificial weapon's proficiency, the higher the repair chance. At 100 prof, you get 100% successful repair. Some people may argue that it's 99%. Don't believe them. It used to be so, but patches have come out that make it 100%, so rest easy. Full ego repair is possible.
This is why it's important to non-ego-users. 100 prof weapons sell pretty nicely as ego repair material, and "Spirit Liqueur" does as well, which is used to repair them. The cinch here is that the liqueur requires White Herbs, normally extremely rare, but they've available from the Clover Gnu pet rarely as well. White herbs and Spirit Liqueur sell pretty steep, and 100 prof weapons as well. Popular weapons include Gladius, Leather Long Bow, Wing Bow, Dragon Fang, Claymores, and Daggers - Daggers? Why yes. They get fantastic critical rate and a spirit dagger gets good damage as well. Final Hit with an ego dagger is terrifying.
Neat, so what type to get?
Swords, Two-Handed Swords, Blunts, Bows, Wands... and Cylinders, maybe. Cylinders may be the next patch, but I think they're live. "Blunts" includes axes. The basic things to consider for your ego are what you specialize in, and what you want to do infrequently. Ego weapons aren't everyday weapons, they're expensive as sin to upkeep, and trying to do a dungeon with one requires you to have gems on-hand to feed the ego during the dungeon - an ego grows hungry as you use it, and a hungry ego is drastically less powerful! So in that regard, plan for low-move, high-power attacks. Smash, Windmill, Magnum, etc. The general rule is that the weapon enhances its stats. So a high-powered Gladius would do well as a Smash Spam Ego because its high damage will go higher, but its balance won't raise all that much. Meanwhile a dagger will get boosts to critical and balance, but not as much to strength. In trying to "get your money's worth" many players go two-handed, as this gives a significant buff to smash, windmill range, and damage overall.
But keep in mind that you'll need several of this weapon. When I was using a Ring Bow, I had to destroy my ego and get a new one - Ring Bows are rare and expensive, and I couldn't afford to 100 prof one for a sacrifice. Store-bought weapons are generally best because they're easier to repair, though exotic weapons can achieve higher end results.
For Archers and Mages, pay close attention! Bows get higher range as they level up. An ego Wing Bow is the furthest range weapon available in the game, able to shoot clear across the Tir town square. Similarly, a shortbow can get longbow range and still maintain its high speed and wound rate. But wands get neutered - when you level up your ego it begins to automatically chaincast, but chaincasting wands can't use intermediate magic. If you go with an ego wand, it won't get the benefit of ego-casting ice spear, which is extremely demotivating. However, an ego combat wand can have... strange potential. It doesn't cast magic as well as other wands, but it gets a buff to that one smashing move, and an ego wand can do some real damage if utilized right! Not to mention, an ego fire wand can get absurd damage with r1 Firebolt.
Sweet, I just got this awesome black and red-
Let me stop you there and say "forget it". When your ego levels up, it begins to glow. The glow will pretty much ruin any color on the weapon. People can't tell if it's silver or blood red, because it will have a bright blue glow effect. Unless you're using a large weapon. Most two-handed weapons, and pretty much all Giant weapons, will still show their color because of how long the blade is. But most times you're better off selling those unique-color weapons for cash.
So is that all they do?
Perhaps the most interesting thing about spirit weapons is their awakening move. After a certain level up, your ego will be able to "awaken". That is, a very powerful special move. You gain charges by attacking with the spirit weapon, and then you're able to unleash it. Spirit bows are able to let loose a hail of arrows, while spirit swords are able to give a powerful slash that will reach to the other end of a dungeon room. And for a brief moment, you can see your spirit floating in the air above you - very brief, it's artfully done. It's a very powerful move though, and it comes pretty much for free, providing a good way to blast through an annoying room and deal with some zombies or golden mask ghosts.
Alright, it's kinda cool...
It's very cool. And it's virtually free to begin. Ego weapons will store in your "special" inventory, so they don't even use up bag space! You can make one, and if you don't use it, it'll just sit there patiently. It's worth investing a bit of time in, as fully leveled ego weapons can rip through... well, pretty much anything! You can also level them fairly cheaply, especially at the fishing boat, or a homestead in the desert - both of these fishing spots have a high chance of giving you damaged items, including some rare bone marine armor. Feeding fished items to your ego is very reliable and very cheap. Not to mention that it goes well with equipment crafters, such as blacksmiths, tailors, or carpenters. Got 20 daggers you made for blacksmithing exp? Feed them to your sword! This is also a great way to feed specific items. High-level crafting unlocks some expensive items, great for ego food.
Post by: majikero on July 22, 2012, 08:58:12 pm
About ego repairs, the liqueur cost 50k a pop. For a prof 100 weapon, that's why i dual wield, ego in one hand, the fixer weapon in the other.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2012, 09:06:45 pm
Post by: majikero on July 22, 2012, 09:14:05 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 22, 2012, 09:15:34 pm
I want to grind Potionmaking, except I don't have herbs, and I can't buy a herb pet until Paypal decides to work or Nexon fixes it for me.
I can't combat because of a lethal 2 second delay.
I don't have enough inventory.
:-0
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2012, 09:26:50 pm
I'mmmm very indecisive. But added to the OP.
EDIT: Also I'm like 99% sure ego cylinders are out. I haven't actually seen them on anyone, but I know we're past the patch. It's possible they held it back for whatever reason, but we prolly have em.
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2012, 11:10:19 pm
Hop on the steam chat whenever, I'd be happy to help, and even if I'm not around, other people are usually more then happy to help too.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 22, 2012, 11:13:57 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2012, 11:17:30 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 23, 2012, 12:09:45 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 12:16:49 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 23, 2012, 01:26:26 am
Also, can somebody help me unlock Fusion Bolt, please? I'll do the ice half, so I'll need someone with a thunder wand willing to help me out.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 03:05:18 am
As of now passes are a little short too, so don't be afraid to run dungeons and get passes out of them if you want. Just be sure to ask in chat if anyone wants to go when you get one, usually someone will be up for it at least. I'd definitely reccomend backup if it's ever your first time in a dungeon. If you don't think you're ready for a normal dungeon, go ahead and ask too, people are willing to give backup usually. Dungeon runs lead to gold and are generally more fun then running commerce until you die.
So yeah, do whatcha wanna do. If dungeon runs are your thing, pursue that. I generally reccomend at least picking one crafting skill, as running dungeons forever can get tiresome and it's nice to have something to back up onto if you're frustrated about something in the dungeon, or generally just wanna relax a bit, as crafting skill ranks do still give permanant stats, most prominantly stamina, which can help. You certainly don't HAVE to, though.
Post by: Graknorke on July 23, 2012, 03:24:34 am
Also bardmage is basically the best set of skills to pick. Magic because it's magic, and musical skills because it makes you look clever as well as being a fun, non-grinding thing you can try (writing and performing music).
Post by: Skyrunner on July 23, 2012, 03:30:01 am
The bandits, oh the bandits.
I wasn't really paying attention, so I ran into bandits who made off with 20 of my Cohb Seaweeds. Well, that's an acceptable loss, except Mabinogi spawned the next bandit right in front of me. .... Lost 10 more there. Then, almost to Tir, an invisible bandit hopped out of the middle of the road and killed me, took 20 Seaweeds and ran.
So... I made a net profit of 0. >:-(
I can't fight well enough to save my seaweeds...T_T At least buying cheap stuff in bulk let the loss be minimized.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 23, 2012, 01:32:34 pm
Rolling character nao.
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2012, 02:20:51 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 23, 2012, 02:30:16 pm
Did Mabinogi renovate/eliminate the rebirth and level reset systems..? I don't think I can play if I am not going to be able to rebirth one a week. :P
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2012, 02:33:36 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 23, 2012, 02:43:32 pm
Did Mabinogi renovate/eliminate the rebirth and level reset systems..? I don't think I can play if I am not going to be able to rebirth one a week. :PCould you please explain why this is? I never really found a need or desire to rebirth until I was about level 25 and aged way above the maximum starter ages. doing it earlier just felt kind of like I was missing out on time when I would have been a lot more capable of fighting. That's how I played for a while anyway, using the initial few weeks after rebirth for learning as many skills as possible, and the later weeks to do grindy things to get money to pay for training in the next rebirth.
Also because I'm a cheapskate and wouldn't pay even if I wanted to.
Post by: Ozyton on July 23, 2012, 05:09:19 pm
You may also rebirth for free when your character reaches age 20, so if your character is age 10 it will take 10 weeks before you can rebirth for free, may as well just rebirth at age 17 if you want to do it often for free.
I'm looking on the wiki and it keeps mentioning premium cards, so somebody probably needs to update that.
Post by: Aoi on July 23, 2012, 05:25:44 pm
Did Mabinogi renovate/eliminate the rebirth and level reset systems..? I don't think I can play if I am not going to be able to rebirth one a week. :PCould you please explain why this is?
Rebirthing as quickly as possible means that you can get skills more quickly, since it's easier to level, and therefore get AP, when your current level is low. At least, I think that's why it's a big deal...
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 07:04:39 pm
And you can only rebirth once a week when your cumulative level is below 100. (Maybe it was 200.) After that it's once every three weeks.
EDIT:
Welp, I'm in the Steam chat now, looking for a friendly face. Anyone out there?
Sorry, you got on a bit late. Try to get on a bit earlier, I'll hang around in the chat later then usual. Failing that you can just start adding people in the OP, and try to catch people that are on to ask questions of. That really is about the only time I'm presuming where there's just nobody on. Also username?
EDIT2: Alternately you can just ask in the thread, it's fine. :P
Also moving a new update to the next post.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 07:17:39 pm
Me and Skyrunner(Nocneah) went down there as they're interested in herbalism and have terrible latency to the point where fighting is kind've an impossibility. With all the ant lions and bats down there I figured it was a good chance to prof my mace. She did the exploring, I got mauled by ant lions. As far as ore, ore does seem slightly more common in the first cave, maybe an even amount. In the second cave, ore is FAR MORE PLENTIFUL then herbs, so if you're going down there to mine, go into the cave closer to Physis. Some of the herbs we found were Mandrake (Only in the second cave), and three types of the basic herbs (Base Bloody Mana, yep, there are hidden base patches but they seem to be quite rare). We also found antidote herbs. No sight of the elusive white herb, or antidote herbs, but they may well be down there. By far, most of the herbs were basic types, so it's a good place to get started.
So yeah, minor update to get back in the swing of things, a geographical Survey of solea. You'll need a buddy to fend off the ant lions while you mine, but it seems like it could be very very profitable, especially with the advent of the soon to come mining revamp (50 ore per stack, 7 ore per pile), on top of providing an easy source of basic herbs and mythril.
Post by: Kweri on July 23, 2012, 07:38:55 pm
Some of the info on this link is outdated, but the basic idea (get your three free characters to 98/98 quickly with the daily rebirths the first few days) seemed sound to me for an early boost to AP before you need to wait 3 weeks between (free) rebirths: http://mabination.com/threads/33503-How-to-begin-mabinogi-the-right-way.-A-basic-understanding-of-the-game
Post by: Aoi on July 23, 2012, 07:58:50 pm
If no character on your account (even deleted ones apparently?) has ever had a cumulative level of 100 or higher, you can actually rebirth once every 24 hours for free.
Some of the info on this link is outdated, but the basic idea (get your three free characters to 98/98 quickly with the daily rebirths the first few days) seemed sound to me for an early boost to AP before you need to wait 3 weeks between (free) rebirths: http://mabination.com/threads/33503-How-to-begin-mabinogi-the-right-way.-A-basic-understanding-of-the-game
Either things have changed, or there's some kind of hitch to the 'free' part; I'm something like 28/9, 11 years old and elven, but it still prompts for a card regardless of the options I pick.
Well. I suppose I could be doing something totally wrong too.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 23, 2012, 08:06:02 pm
Maybe i manage to somehow connect from EU without having over 500 latency.
Meh... stupid company closing EU servers.
The game sounds like WoW meets Ultima online with less elitist homosexuals who will shout at you because you're doing something the FAQ they read didn't cover or you're 100 Gearscore too low to get into their heroic dungeon party.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 08:06:50 pm
I know assistant cards can rebirth fine though, both my giant and elf do it fine, so don't worry about that.
Post by: Aoi on July 23, 2012, 08:11:48 pm
Post by: Kweri on July 23, 2012, 08:31:09 pm
It wouldn't let me do it if I tried choosing rebirth from the character select screen - I had to use the button that's on the character screen in-game.If no character on your account (even deleted ones apparently?) has ever had a cumulative level of 100 or higher, you can actually rebirth once every 24 hours for free.
Some of the info on this link is outdated, but the basic idea (get your three free characters to 98/98 quickly with the daily rebirths the first few days) seemed sound to me for an early boost to AP before you need to wait 3 weeks between (free) rebirths: http://mabination.com/threads/33503-How-to-begin-mabinogi-the-right-way.-A-basic-understanding-of-the-game
Either things have changed, or there's some kind of hitch to the 'free' part; I'm something like 28/9, 11 years old and elven, but it still prompts for a card regardless of the options I pick.
Well. I suppose I could be doing something totally wrong too.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 08:39:11 pm
EDIT: That was to Aoi as a note.
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2012, 08:43:40 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 08:44:56 pm
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2012, 08:58:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2012, 09:22:22 pm
The fomor weapons are an excellent point and I never thought about that. I was about to say a better forged weapon makes a better spirit weapon but given how stats raise on them that's not really true.
At least merchant destiny lets people make "magic" heavy armor like thames now.
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2012, 09:24:48 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 23, 2012, 09:33:49 pm
For free rebirths, it's 20 years old, not 21. Make sure you don't select to respawn in Tir or Qilla (or elf/giant cities) and only reseting age and level. Anything else requires a card. Also, the current 3 days rebirth event might be messing up with daily rebirths for characters under 100 cumulative. Or Nexon might have changed that along with the new G1-3, which would explain the free AP you get from that.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2012, 10:28:13 pm
Copper ingots won't lower in price - it's hard to go lower than "worthless". Really, there's so little that copper is used in, I end up tossing whole stacks of 20 bars to dungeon altars. Really silver is the big money ingot. Or rather, the ore. It's great refining exp, and it's used in many blacksmithing recipes.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 24, 2012, 12:52:27 am
The list of herbs I saw is:
+ Base herb (Green herb)
+ Mana herb (Blue herb)
+ Bloody herb (Red herb)
+ Mandrake (Orange herb)
+ Poison herb (Purple herb)
+ Antidote herb (Silvery herb? Don't quite remember, but it was white-colored and not "White herb")
I'm sure Sunlight Herb is there too, just that I didn't find it.
I suspect there are no White Herbs, because those are Clover pet & Peca dungeon exclusive.
My view on the mining update and Metallurgy is that Metallurgy will still be attractive, even with ores being 25% more efficient in storage. Though I don't know the specifics, I suspect you still need Metallurgy for those sparkly gems. Metallirgy also provides easier to handle pieces, and is more accessible than mining: you only need sieves (smaller than picks) and a nice patch of beach to work on. Mining either has you in the various undergrounds (teeming with aggressive insects and bats and bugs) or the first floor of Bari repeatedly, four ore piles each time.
On an unrelated note, if any of you go dungeoning and find blue/yellow/red herbs, please pick them for me >_< I have a serious derth of herbs right now.
Also, ye magicians of intermediateness, if you want mana 50 potions please send me mana herbs! >_<
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 24, 2012, 01:03:54 am
Did Mabinogi renovate/eliminate the rebirth and level reset systems..? I don't think I can play if I am not going to be able to rebirth one a week. :PCould you please explain why this is? I never really found a need or desire to rebirth until I was about level 25 and aged way above the maximum starter ages. doing it earlier just felt kind of like I was missing out on time when I would have been a lot more capable of fighting. That's how I played for a while anyway, using the initial few weeks after rebirth for learning as many skills as possible, and the later weeks to do grindy things to get money to pay for training in the next rebirth.
Also because I'm a cheapskate and wouldn't pay even if I wanted to.
It's difficult for me to conceive of how it could take you enough time to reach lv. 25 that you aged in-game. Since AP is crucial for just about any activity, and typically things got more grindy than I liked around lL. 60 or so (about an in-game week of gameplay), I would just spot the Nx for a rebirth, soak up all that precious AP, then rinse and repeat.
My way of looking at it, was that I made $10 IRL much more quickly than I could gained 60 levels' worth of AP after level 60. Also, at the time I had poured all my points into Composition, leaving my combat skills want for improvement. :P
And thank you muchly for the information- I think I will get myself situated and join in short time! :D
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2012, 02:24:05 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 24, 2012, 02:35:16 am
Spoiler: Rant (click to show/hide)
Is anyone online right now? :P I could use someone to keep ferocious ant lions off my back. xD
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 24, 2012, 02:36:56 am
Guys, stock up on phoenix feathers for when I inevitably die. :P
...No but seriously, those things are important. But I'll probably do some commerce runs around the continent first. Anyone can come too, commerce with more people = more fun.
Spoiler: commerce tip (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skyrunner on July 24, 2012, 03:12:30 am
It doesn't hurt even when bandits steal 40 of them. you still break even xD
I want to be there too, the dungeons, if only for the herbs <.<
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2012, 09:35:12 am
It turns out that commerce is rather hilariously overpowered.
Post by: majikero on July 24, 2012, 12:36:59 pm
For the record, I'm manage to get over 20k in profits from lovely potions.
Post by: Aoi on July 24, 2012, 02:16:09 pm
http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1117&sid=5c4bf3312fe9bfc84c02d82a6bf4e58f
I don't like it much though-- it's non-transparent and doesn't allow for easy comparisons based on a point of origin. Also you can't tweak values.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 24, 2012, 02:43:54 pm
Be sure to post your username in the thread when you're all set up.
Will do! With any luck, that'll be tonight...
By and by, does anyone know a credible guide for character builds? I've always done the dual-wielding human things, with aspirations of tying in magic and music, but never got that far into it.... and will probably make another haphazard attempt. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 24, 2012, 04:38:08 pm
Spoiler: excessively long laugh (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ozyton on July 24, 2012, 04:54:09 pm
Hopefully I don't screw it up somehow and I'll be able to get on and play some more soon.
Post by: majikero on July 24, 2012, 05:03:49 pm
- get thunder to rank 1
- get refining till i can handle gold and silver
- get blacksmithing till rank 3(?)
- get weaving to rank 1
- get tailoring till rank 6(?)
- get a siren mask
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2012, 07:16:03 pm
So, dungeon running. A big part of the game for anyone that doesn't want to be pure crafting, which is very few. Let's start off by mentioning a bunch of stuff that is generally going to carry true through anything anybody does.
One. Irregardless of if you run solo or in a team, you are probably going to die at least once unless you really know what you're doin, or you are both way out of your depth and fairly lucky. I say "and fairly lucky" because just a couple of days ago in ciar normal, somethng that normally presents very little threat to me, a poison goblin smashed me, critted, and knocked me from almost ful lhealth, about 150 HP, down to deadly status in one hit. It didn't take long for the multiaggro status to overcome me and kill me. Does it happen often? No. But it still does. This leads into my next point pretty well...
Two. Multiaggro is bad for everyone. A warrior is best equipped to handle it, but unless he has kung fu master levels of prowess with the combat system he's still probably gonna eventually get killed unless he's in a dungeon where everything does one to him outside of crits. And even then, something horrible can still happen. Help others if you can, but chiefly you should be most concerned with your own well being. I don't think anyone will argue if you die once because you saved someone's ass by picking off a second poison goblin coming at them from an odd angle, but if it happens every room, you're officially eating too many feathers. Don't be afraid to do it, but if you've already died more then..... let's say ten times in short order, then you might wanna pay a bit more attention to your own hide. That number alters depending on how poorly set up in level you are for a dungeon (Don't be afraid to go on high level dungeon runs, the B12 gang is pretty relaxed and it'll take a lot to make anyone get too irritated, and the game is very friendly to the level gap, but be aware of what you're getting into), but that's a nice baseline for "too much".
Three. Don't get cranky if kills get stolen, and don't obsess with getting a finish on something. Generally if someone is killing something that was on you, or that you were attacking, either the room was almost cleared and he was looking for a new target, or he thought it was going to damage you or kill you. Kill stealing really isn't a thing, most of the exp in a dungeon comes from the dungeon exp bonus that everyone gets, and if it drops something you REALLY REALLY need generally the B12 gang will just give it to you.
Four. If someone tells you to sit, and there is nothing that requires your immediate attention, sit. Usually this is basically them wanting to patch you up (Bandages heal more if you're sitting), so there's no reason not to, but I understand that it's kind've an odd command if you've never heard of it before so I figured I'd add it.
And finally
Five. Learn to fend for yourself. This seems like a simple one, but it's hard to get a leash on the combat system sometimes. Learn the basic tricks of your combat system of choice, and try to learn when it's appropriate to use them. It might take time, and even a lot of it, don't be afraid to practice on strong/awful enemies, don't get discouraged, and if you just can't get the hang of it, feel free to ask the steam chat for help. They're a friendly bunch.
Knowing my track record, I probably missed something, but that's all that immediately comes to mind. Next time, more specific advice and roles for specific skill sets.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 25, 2012, 02:06:11 am
Staying alive and ice-locking. You can pretty much safely call me Keraha at this point, that's how much ice I lock enemies with. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2012, 02:15:09 am
Didn't get any neat drops, but that's normal for normal dungeons I think. The real nice stuff is in hardmode or advanced dungeons. Or advanced hardmode dungeons.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 25, 2012, 02:20:08 am
Also I have page 3 of Ice Spear. Hell yeah. Now to go to Iria and get the journal pages. Hoo boy.... trade first, though.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 25, 2012, 03:30:23 am
My name is.... Ibid. 8)
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2012, 03:50:56 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 25, 2012, 05:31:09 am
Gotcha! Added you to the OP. I'm not on as of now, and I doubt many other people are, but tomorrow is another day.
No worries! I don't know if it's dumb luck, or case in point regarding Alexina's reputation for a more chipper crowd, but as soon as I landed in Tir Chonnail I found myself with good company, and decided to postpone the basic tutorial quests in favor of being chased by rock golems across the countryside..!
Satisfaction.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 25, 2012, 05:47:25 am
Also I gained one level of fat.
I struggled with the free NX offers for about three hours and got 981 NX for my efforts -.- Most of them don't even pay at the end, but I had fake identities (John Doe and Argh Blargh were two I used today), fake addresses (4000 Forbes Street Pittsburgh, which I believe is an empty stretch of road), and an junk mail e-mail to spare.
Sigh. Why won't you work, PayPal? Why?
On the bright side, I gained twenty levels from commerce today, and a small sum of gold too. Handcart commerce gogo~
Post by: Girlinhat on July 25, 2012, 07:13:24 am
It's not all about running in and hacking-slashing. There is required something rather like infrastructure, and that is the items you take with you.
On the start is potions, the most obvious thing to bring. Potions come in four flavors - health, stamina, magic, and wound. These do as expected, with wound potions being able to restore the black portion of health. You can buy simple health and stamina potions, which will do good enough in most cases, or you can craft any potion using herbs. 50 point potions and the smallest a player can craft, which is already larger than the largest potion you can buy. Two herbs make a 50 point potion, while two herbs with a base potion make a 100 point potion - base potions are bought at the healer's house. The 300 point potions require four-leaf clovers and water, which are rather rare (the clover, that is). 50 point potions are usually enough for casual dungeon runs, and producing them has a much higher success rate than 100's. Wound potions come in smaller varieties and require four herbs, including the rare golden herb, but they are very very powerful potions. It's also possible to create mixed potions, such as HP + MP potions, though generally you'll only want health + stamina to recover after a fight, or health + magic if you're using mana shield.
Potion making is helped greatly by having a homestead, where you can plant herb patches that refresh every real day.
When potions fail, you need phoenix feathers. These are simply bought, though many mobs will drop them as well. You can never have too many feathers.
Directly related to feathers are bandages. Bandages are used to heal wounds, the black potion of your HP bar. Using bandages on yourself is less effective, it doesn't restore as much. If you're sitting down, bandages work better, which makes it important to have a buddy available to patch you up. Normal bandages can be bought at the healer's house or dropped from many enemies. Handmade bandages are made using Handicraft skill from cheap cloth. They restore more wound, though there's some debate as to how much more they restore than regular. They are generally easy to make though, and they definitely do more good than store-bought. Bandages and Wound Potions do the same job. Most pets are able to use first aid, but only on their owner.
Something that a lot of people discount is firewood. Sitting at a fire greatly restores your recovery rate, as well as letting you recover wounds while in a dungeon. It also allows you to share food, which can give very important buffs. Vales Fire is an easy drink to make, which provides a massive boost to strength and a penalty to dex. Club Sandwiches are fairly easy to make, and they provide a great dex bonus. There's also int boosting food, though I can't remember them right now. A good chef will bolster dungeon efforts, but only if someone has brought firewood.
A homestead can help with firewood, but only barely. The payout rate on homestead-built chopping blocks is fairly low.
Finally, there's the actual equipment you're using. Holy Water will be nice, since you WILL die and you will want to re-bless your equipment. Bringing extra is very nice. But keep in mind that you can lose all your blessings in one KO, so it generally pays to only re-bless your weapon and/or shield, and leave your armor alone until you finish. Though this is the player's own decision, depending on how tightly they value their items and how much water they have spare. Although even with spare holy water, weapons will still break. Some very long dungeons are even enough to break a new weapon on the way down. Bringing a spare is never a bad idea. Having a gladius or even a dagger can save your hide when your sword breaks halfway through. Shortbows serve a similar duty to archers, they're small but can still be powerful when done right. While a bastard sword or a longbow might be nicer, they are larger and space isn't infinite.
And on the same note, everyone should bring a bow. Elven Short Bows are small and can be upgraded for pretty good power. Some monsters are immune or heavily resistant to melee, while some are just terrifying (ogre warriors) and being able to field a bow will make all the difference. If a smart elf is in the party, they should have brought a few quivers of arrows and be able to share ammo with any humans who want to save on inventory space. It's also possible to make handmade arrows of higher quality than store bought. These are made via blacksmithing with iron ingots and firewood, and they do more damage, better accuracy, and/or higher critical, depending on the level of arrow. This can be a major boost, especially to melee-oriented characters with low dex - the extra damage from the arrows will compensate for their lack of skill. However, they only come in packs of 100, making them somewhat awkward for elves to use, as they tend to run out. Someone using Inventory Plus premium can get a firewood bag, allowing them to carry 1x1 sized arrowheads in inventory and 1x3 sized firewood in their firewood bag, conserving inventory space and letting them craft arrows mid-dungeon.
Post by: Elfeater on July 25, 2012, 08:21:46 am
Post by: Graknorke on July 25, 2012, 08:35:11 am
What should giants bring as a ranged weapon? I don't think they can use bows.I believe they can get throwing spears or something?
Post by: Baijiu on July 25, 2012, 10:44:40 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 25, 2012, 11:28:06 am
Yeah, they get atlatls and javelins. Or they can throw stuff, I think. Not too clear on how that works.What should giants bring as a ranged weapon? I don't think they can use bows.I believe they can get throwing spears or something?
Post by: Girlinhat on July 25, 2012, 12:25:19 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2012, 06:44:21 pm
I just registered and created a character called Huodi. So uhhh, what do I do?
Hop in the steam chat and we'll help you out. If you can't I'll add you at some point today (Either Narshe or Mobliz), and we'll getcha set up.
Now, second part of dungeon running stuff...
Roles for specific skillsets. The first update was widely used stuff in general, so let's follow up with slightly more narrowed stuff.
OFFENSIVE TACTICS
First up, Warriors. In mook rooms, like most people, they're generally they're there specifically for the reason of killing stuff. A properly geared and skilled warrior can one shot stuff no other class can, and with windmill they can clear a room of weaker enemies in one swoop with proper positioning. A warrior that knows what he's doing is a warrior that's clearing rooms in record time. Fighters (knuckle users) also for the most part are similar in this regard. Note I mentioned THIS regard. We'll... get to that later.
Archers. Honestly, I haven't done much archery (Although I'm getting into it on my elf), but so far they seem like slightly watered down warriors with the notable advantage of being able to do everything a warrior can at range. And at significant range, at that. Crash shot and Mirage Missle (Elf only) provide crowd control, magnum shot provides single target damage, and normal attacks provide "I am not spending more then six stamina on this monster damnit" kills. They, much like mages shine quite a bit more in defensive things. Again, we'll get to that later.
Mages. Mages.... if they've only got bolt skills, they are either charging firebolt and blasting monsters in one shot, charging lightning bolt and hoping for a lucky hit that will clean out the entire room, or plinking enemies with ice bolt either as a defensive measure, or because they've ranked up ice bolt and it's actually pretty badass now. Note to mages: GET CHAIN CASTING ASAP ON YOUR WAND. Getting a full set of bolts out in one cast instead of five is the difference between "that guy is breaking my knockback what a jerk" and "holy shit everything is on fire" If they have advanced magic.... well, they can clear an entire wave of enemies in one cast, but again, getting back up from that requires a lot of time, but by that point you should have chain casting and you can mop up what's left and assist with the second and possibly third waves. Mages are the textbook definition of a one hit wonder, but that one hit will save everyone else a lot of stamina, and most importantly, durability.
Fighters.... They excel in offense. Single target offense to be specific, their only AoE attack has an awkward range and a huge windup (Being a third chain skill), windmill has a greatly reduced range, so as to almost make it useless for anything but mimic detecting, and most of their skills have nice long animations, that while fun to look at, leave a lot of room for you to get hit. They're also fairly vulnerable to heavy stander, but one of their chains involves only single hit attacks, so that can be used to deal with heavy standers fairly well. Although, note, no third chain skills work on heavy stander enemies. Prolly better to bust out a weapon on a heavy stander, or spam bash like anyone else. DO NOT USE WINDMILL, IT WILL GET YOU KILLED. Knuckle windmill range is literally shorter then most enemy attack ranges, and that's with rank 6. Rank F may well not have a range at all for all I know.
With all that covered, let's move on to...
DEFENSIVE TACTICS
Before we get started, one big point in defensive tactics, DO NOT HIT AN ENEMY THAT'S KNOCKED OVER EVER EVER EVER. WAIT UNTIL THEY GET BACK UP. IF you hit a knocked over enemy, and don't KB it again, it will immediately get back up, skipping all the animations for it. If this enemy was loading bash, it's suddenly standing right in front of a warrior and will probably one shot them, and proceed to have a time with everything else in the room. Even if it isn't a normal combo will still probably hammer a warrior pretty hard and put them in a bad position. YOU CAN HIT THEM IF THEY'RE FLYING THROUGH THE AIR. BUT AS SOON AS THEY STOP MOVING, YOU STOP SHOOTING/SWINGING.
Warriors first again, warriors are again fairly potent in defense, but they have the huge disadvantage of having a really hard time of helping to defend other people. They can defend themselves very well with access to defense and counterattack and windmill (Maybe they've even been ranking them up!), but windmill is really their only "help other dudes" option that doesn't result in them leaving themselves open to an enemy, and most of the time they'll have to reposition themselves. A way to get an enemy off of you is to run by a warrior and hope they get the picture and windmill it. However, other classes are much better at this sort've thing.
Archers, since they're at range, can pick off an enemy that's damaging another team member, and often will. Common courtesy when this happens is to immediately press the offense on that enemy again, and get aggro back,so the archer doesn't have to deal with two enemies, which they just can't do. They pulled it off of you as a favor, or to finish it off, not to offer to fight a second enemy.
Mages, a lot of the stuff said about archers applies to them, although they can deal with two people with icebolt chain cast. I would generally assume less assistance from a mage because again, casting takes time, and often by the time they're finished casting, the enemy has already attacked you. But it does happen. Mages are slightly better at dealing with two enemies at once, but I still wouldn't leave a mage to do it, as they can hold them off at best. Maybe if they're lucky they can finish off one and stun the other before they run out of ice bolts.
Fighters... uhhh.... yeah. Fighters defense consists of loading counterattack and running away when counterattack is in cooldown. They can't use a shield, so defense is useless in high end dungeons, and windmill, as covered before, has a comedically short range. Warriors are perhaps the worst at dealing with multi aggro, as their stun time for weapons is very short, and again, short range windmill. Warriors are terrible in multiaggro rooms, so archers and mages, kindly look out for them. Although typically any warrior (and any character period) will probably be carrying a weapon on hand for nasty situations like that, but still. Fighters, I suggest staying near mages/archers in multi aggro rooms and help keep monsters off them, so you've got a slightly better chance of getting a second monster on you pegged by the archer/mage/warrior, rather then get comboed and murdered by it. Or just pull out that weapon you should be carrying as backup. Ahem.
So yeah. Next time, uhhhhh.... either more specific dungeon information or aggro management. Probably aggro management.
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2012, 09:33:15 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 25, 2012, 10:33:21 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 25, 2012, 10:36:49 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 25, 2012, 10:52:50 pm
Would like to do it, but if I start typing something, I'll still be at it in 2 hours. I don't currently have 2 hours to spare. I'll just say this: alchemist have by far the best tools for defensive tactics, both solo and in party.
Post by: etgfrog on July 25, 2012, 11:09:04 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 26, 2012, 12:04:47 am
I don't suppose anyone here knows of a quick-fix..?
Post by: Skyrunner on July 26, 2012, 12:34:24 am
I'm thinking of writing a treasure hunting guide soon. Gotta actually DO the treasure hunting so I can speak from experience though.
If you mean either Cor or Iria treasure hunting, I can write a guide up. I did it a lot in another life (ie another server :P).
but yea, dispite all the branching i tried to do in the game, spamming fusion bolts and bringing a bunch of mana potions was the most effective way of going through dungeons...
Hmm, to be exact, not using magic at all is the most effective way of going through dungeons :P It has been found out that being a fighter before you be other jobs is the most efficient. Taking Smash, Windmill, Counter, and Combat Master along with Weapon Mastery to rank 1 deals damage reliably, indiscriminately, and constantly. Excluding melee immune monsters, of course :P
Also, it seems you haven't been to the high-end dungeons (say, Iria's Maize Ruin dungeon, or at the extreme end of the scale, Peca; heck, I suppose you haven't been to the outdoor dungeons with a pass?), because one-on-one with fusion bolts has a very hard limit. Think of monsters like Sprites, which almost always seems to appear with different colors. They aggro separately, they're basically immune to one element each, and they die hard. Or the Masked Ghosts in Maize, who move fast, have tons of HP, and hit hard. Another example would be Jackals, with wide ranges of sight, (probably) multi-aggro, fast moving (being four-legged), and annoying.
The best best way to go through dungeons (except Peca, again) is Ice Spear. The speed of casting a bolt spell with freezing, multiple targeting is just awfully balanced.
Sorry again about that botch in Ciar... it seems I am suffering from a common glitch that causes my action bars to reset everything I log in/out or switch channels.Well, that usually happens when you shut Mabinogi down without letting it save.
I don't suppose anyone here knows of a quick-fix..?
Uh... I suggest ... checking that you have administrative rights/Mabinogi is granted administrative rights. Other than that, nothing I can think of.
Post by: Batman Wayne on July 26, 2012, 12:37:51 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 26, 2012, 12:41:00 am
Aww, you didn't mention alchemy tactics :(
Would like to do it, but if I start typing something, I'll still be at it in 2 hours. I don't currently have 2 hours to spare. I'll just say this: alchemist have by far the best tools for defensive tactics, both solo and in party.
Yeah, I'll prolly go over alchemy in a separate section of it, because it's tools are very unique to say the least. If you wanna do it though, go nuts, you've got more experience with the interesting parts then I do!
bleh...i ended up quiting this game a while ago because i was spending too much time playing it, anyways...i see magic wasn't fully shown...if your into magic fighting...Fusion bolts is all you really need...it was downright silly since when i got that skill if i had mana then whatever i wanted to die...usually died, the only exception was mobs that was immune to knockback(which was very few), was working on getting higher rank meditation...but yea, dispite all the branching i tried to do in the game, spamming fusion bolts and bringing a bunch of mana potions was the most effective way of going through dungeons...
And yeah, I've never done a ton of magic stuff unfortunately. Also, the combat has been rebalenced, magic hasn't been nerfed directly, but a lot of stuff has been buffed. Namely, almost everything but magic has gotten their load times removed, and moved to cooldown. This applies to enemies too, so the cast time of magic is a pretty big downer. Advanced magic will still wreck entire rooms, but they can't really do it continuously now either, usually have to switch to bolts later on. Chain casting still is pretty amazing, but melee can compete with bolt magic now. (And advanced, not that it does more damage, but due to the cast time it's a hell of a lot more likely to get interrupted.) You'd think this re balance would break the game entirely, but it's pretty much all still good.
I'll try this game, just tell me what to do.
You got it! I'm about to get off for the night, but tomorrow I'd be happy to walk you through some basic melee tactics, as seeing it in action is often a lot easier then reading explanations I realize. Also don't be afraid to ask questions in thread or in the steam chat (Again, can't reccomend getting in there enough, it is a huge help, both to me and to you.)
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 26, 2012, 12:53:43 am
I mean running around with L-rods in Rano. So yeah, Iria. I didn't really have much to write a guide off of except a couple tips, anyway, so go right ahead.I'm thinking of writing a treasure hunting guide soon. Gotta actually DO the treasure hunting so I can speak from experience though.
If you mean either Cor or Iria treasure hunting, I can write a guide up. I did it a lot in another life (ie another server :P).
So tomorrow, I'm hoping I can wrangle some people up for Karu Forest Dungeon, for exploration journal pages 1, 3, and 5. 2, 4, and 5 can also be found from treasure hunting, and I already have 2, so I'll be hunting while I wait for everyone else to log on.
e: Looking at page 3, I can already tell that it will be a significantly larger pain than the rest. Man am I tempted to just go commercinating all day long.
Post by: Graknorke on July 26, 2012, 05:09:49 am
The site still has 112R as the newest one, which isn't really helpful to me.
Is it possible to download the client elsewhere or..?
EDIT: Nevermind, I can get the new updoot just fine.
All is well.
EDIT2: Doing the beginner quests in the quiet with headphones on when SUDDENLY ETHNA. Spontaneous loud techno parties sure are startling.
Post by: majikero on July 26, 2012, 02:58:11 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 26, 2012, 03:00:03 pm
Bard Destiny is out and as usual, the game is broken again. If you start with as a bard, you get a battle mandolin, a mandolin with spikes.Noooooooo.
Do you get on rebirth too?
Because I picked warrior at the start so that I could get some basic combat skills. And a spiky mandolin would be sweet.
Post by: majikero on July 26, 2012, 03:08:13 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 26, 2012, 03:09:58 pm
Yes, you get it at rebirth too but only one per character.So I could get one of the starting equipment for each destiny on one character?
Post by: majikero on July 26, 2012, 03:15:01 pm
Post by: etgfrog on July 26, 2012, 03:49:21 pm
Hmm, to be exact, not using magic at all is the most effective way of going through dungeons :P It has been found out that being a fighter before you be other jobs is the most efficient. Taking Smash, Windmill, Counter, and Combat Master along with Weapon Mastery to rank 1 deals damage reliably, indiscriminately, and constantly. Excluding melee immune monsters, of course :Pyou see...this is where fire-ice fusion bolt was ridiculous...since it was garenteed knockback on anything that wasn't immune to knockback(i'm talking the hard immune to knockback only seen on world bosses), while i never tried solo peca(cant even enter solo) i did solo maize a few times and karu a few times. raw damage(before mana deflector and damage resistance) a fully charge of fire-ice was 3-4k, and i guess your partialy right, one on one i wouldn't use only fusion bolt, i also liked to have a chain cast fire wand for situation that mana conservation wasn't needed.(rank 1 fire bolt)
Also, it seems you haven't been to the high-end dungeons (say, Iria's Maize Ruin dungeon, or at the extreme end of the scale, Peca; heck, I suppose you haven't been to the outdoor dungeons with a pass?), because one-on-one with fusion bolts has a very hard limit. Think of monsters like Sprites, which almost always seems to appear with different colors. They aggro separately, they're basically immune to one element each, and they die hard. Or the Masked Ghosts in Maize, who move fast, have tons of HP, and hit hard. Another example would be Jackals, with wide ranges of sight, (probably) multi-aggro, fast moving (being four-legged), and annoying.
Post by: Seriyu on July 26, 2012, 06:03:13 pm
Dungeon Running 102-2 A brief amendment.
Solo tactics for offense and defense on alchemy. (As a note, Alexwazer, feel free to write up an update, this will likely be very rough.)
Offense
Alchemy - Now... Alchemy isn't terrible in offense, but it's a lot like magic without advanced magic, and their chain casting equivelent takes a while to get set up. DOn't expect bone crushing numbers out of alchemists, but water cannon (A single target high damage skill) and Flame Burst (A conical AoE going out from the user), aren't terrible and can really wreck some days. They have about the same range as magic? Maybe less. Howeve,r they do stil have one trick, SUMMON GOLEM! With this they well... summon a golem. Only they control the golem directly, which is in essence giving them melee combat, and pretty hefty melee combat at that, without putting themselves at risk. Very nice. Well.. they leave their body behind while they control the golem, so perhaps not at risk is a poor way to put it. But it's still very nice. And if you do it well you really aren't in any real danger in a dungeon.
Defense
Alchemy - Here we go. Alchemy gets a skill called barrier spikes. It creates a small length of wall that enemyes can't go through, and remember, enemies are very poor at navigating around obstacles, on top of the fact that if they attack it, they take damage. It can be broken, but generally it is a wonderful thing for ranged charecters to hide behind, and set up right, they can create an impenetrable bunker for them. Handy in many ways, an amazing skill. Other defensive skills include windblast which knocks an enemy back for miles, unfortunately it has wierd cooldown going on (If you use it more then a few times, the cylinder breaks and can't use it for a length of time afterwords), so you can't pull a windblastwall thing, at least not for more then a few shots. Another is Sand Blast, which has the same limitations as wind blast, by the way, but it loads 5 seperate blasts, like ice bolt (the other skills either don't stack (windblast) or work like firebolt in it means more stacks more damage (Water Cannon,Fire Burst) the more you put in, up to five. However, every time you use it it adds another 15 seconds to the cooldown so... yeah. Hefty cooldown, but when you hit something with it, it has a chance to be blinded, which prevents it from moving or attacking for a few seconds, which I don't need to explain why it's a huge boon. Unfortunately beyond these skills, alchemy range is kind've short, so while you might occasionally get an enemy knocked off you by a wind blast, it's usually not going to be the case. Think warriors with magic style skills/support skills and a slightly longer range, and you've got it.
Next update tomarrow. Was gonna do it today but NEW PATCH OH MAN
Post by: dei on July 26, 2012, 09:30:19 pm
They get atlatls. But when it's time to bring range, giants should generally go windmill and protect the archers. If they've brought an atlatl then use it, but I've never actually seen a giant using one, aside from one or two who were like "lol look at me I've got a stick thing lol. No seriously I'm going back to massive swords."
I use my giant Nidde's atlatl pretty regularly. I kind of liken it to her having a sniper rifle that takes out most anything short of a grizzly bear in one hit. Anyways, it seems like there's a Mabinogi group here. That's good to know. I've been playing Mabinogi on and off since it got out of open beta, but right now I'm on Alexina like the rest of you.
My main is my human Bijuni, though I also play a fair bit on my giant Nidde and a little less on one of my elves, Moiya. I also have an elf named Ruinaei, but I don't play on her very often. Feel free to add me, though I must note that there's a lot I cannot do in Mabinogi outside of Saturday and Sunday. That's when I go over to a friend's house to use his computer to play Mabinogi with him and his girlfriend. That stuff mostly relates to Tara and some parts of Iria, but I can do most everything else with just a bit of lag.
Post by: Seriyu on July 26, 2012, 10:31:48 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 26, 2012, 11:21:35 pm
Administrator: GLaDOS
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 04:10:35 am
Just gettin that out there. Also if you see a friend request from that guy, yep.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2012, 04:40:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/TKJKa.png)
..Shucks. Like rank F, but with more grinding.
I need herbs, my good Bay12ers! T^T
Also, I make 100 potions now for people who send'm. I'm now able to produce 100 potions of either mana, stamina, or health, with a 60% chance of success.
In other news, thanks Ibid! <3 With her help, I finally got a Clover Gnu, named it Smokingnu (reference? :3), and went power leveling with Seriyu. With his help I got level 25 in an hour. With luck, we'll get to 34 tomorrow, which means Smokingnu won't go below 50 Mana even as he ages.
Ancient monsters are the best. Ten times the experience with only say three times the HP.
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 05:03:34 am
Also I'm up longer then usual tonight due to hijinx so I'll just do the update for today now. A bit of an intermission, because I wanted to go over some of the more notable things the patch introduced.
One, bard Destiny. Gives you a bonus to music skills, which there are a lot more of now. You no longer need a really huge rank in composing I think it is to make a scroll that can do anything to help anyone, although you can still do that (I think).
A lot of music is wide spanning buffs, Defense, attack, gather rate, etc, all that, although I think there's one attack song that I somehow doubt is very good. If anyone dives into bard some more, feel free to write up a thing about it! I am really not a bard person. Also of note is that instruments are no longer race restricted. So if you want your giant playing a tiny tiny lute then you can do that now. Musical Knowledge and Composing can now also be ranked to one. Also new NPC's near lake neaigh or however you spell that. Bard related again.
The magical music scrolls that have been sold by NPCs are no longer there, presumably as they've been replaced in some respects by the new skills.
Two, Mysterious reforging tools. They're sold by the commerce imp for 20,000 ducats, and act as weaker versions of Fine Reforging Tools.
Three, two new kind've amazing sets. The first, Mythril Lance Feather set. Drops from Peaca Intermidiate, and has a whopping 11 defense and 6 protection on it. Gauntlets and boots and helm are the same as normal heavy armor. It also has Auto-Defense (Melee): 15.00% and
Auto-Defense (Range): 20.00%. Pretty damn nice, although it better be for having to go into Peaca Int for it.
As with all heavy armor sets it can be used by humans and giants.
And Four, random mostly inconsequential junk that I am literally copying from the wiki.
A Mana Tunnel was added near the Hot Springs of Zardine.
Jousting and Fashion Show was given more prizes.
A second Jousting preliminaries was added, which starts at 10:00pm PST.
Auction's list of items was re-hauled.
So yeah! Pretty nice patch for you bards, and for those of you that are tired of running around in spaika or other fairly generic lookin heavy armor, a new potential heavy armor set. Maybe this'll make some more interest into peaca runs.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 27, 2012, 07:41:20 am
And apparently to advance metalurgy i have to get to lvl 6 in exploration and talk to a cetain girl... but when i hit lvl 5 a "mandatory" exploration quest poped up on the other side of the continent.
Oh game you troll me so hard.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2012, 07:47:48 am
... Good luck; or rather, bad luck. YOU'L NEED IT D:
Stupid refining has stupid failure training xD Never ever rank up Production Mastery until you've become Refining 1. Unlike me, who already decided not to do refining :3
Also, if anyone here is actively blacksmithing or refining, I'd be amiable to learn and collect metallurgy metal scraps at a low cost of 100 gold per stack :3 Why 100 gold? Because I need to repair my tools, and besides just doing free labor is worse than getting at least 50 pence. Of course, it might be too expensive for many people >.> the many stacks' prices build up...
Post by: Sonlirain on July 27, 2012, 07:57:55 am
Also, strawberry patch that dissabeared once harvested and took 2 HS stones with it.
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 08:02:17 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2012, 08:02:39 am
Your harvested strawberries disappeared, and gave you Kon, which is experience points for your homestead.
To get money from harvesting, pay 30k gold at a Taltien farm and spend many hours eachday for a week to get 100k~ in return. :3 It's not worth it imo especially with commerce now.
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 08:30:10 am
Everything else is dead on though.
Post by: majikero on July 27, 2012, 09:12:39 am
I just cashed in my crops from farming for a nice fat check of 180k. It was originally 190K but I had to make it a check which brought it down to 180k. Then I bought the Tioz armor for 100k, what great deal! It even has 5 more durability from it's base stat.......
Damn, I shouldn't walk around Channel 1 too much, I keep buying stuff....
Post by: dei on July 27, 2012, 10:45:19 am
Oh hey, I think I saw moiya earlier this week, huh. I'll getcha added to the OP when I can.I was on Moiya just yesterday. Short little elf with orange pigtails wearing a white and pink Tork's Blacksmith Suit and wielding a crossbow right? That's her. I'm probably going to work on her a bit later today after I do some stuff with Bijuni and Nidde.
Finally made it to rank E of Potionmaking. *looks at training*I'm going to get a Clover Pig in a couple weeks just for the whole Potion Making bit. My plan was to gather enough herbs from her to plant patches of them in my homestead, so that I can get herbs and still rank Herbalism. Bijuni has been stuck at rF for two years now, seeing as I have terrible luck with finding Bloody and Sunlight herbs. Though, you'll want to level up your Clover Gnu until it's gained at least twelve MP by the time it's age five, otherwise you'll lose said twelve MP from their age-ups after that.
(http://i.imgur.com/TKJKa.png)
..Shucks. Like rank F, but with more grinding.
I need herbs, my good Bay12ers! T^T
Also, I make 100 potions now for people who send'm. I'm now able to produce 100 potions of either mana, stamina, or health, with a 60% chance of success.
In other news, thanks Ibid! <3 With her help, I finally got a Clover Gnu, named it Smokingnu (reference? :3), and went power leveling with Seriyu. With his help I got level 25 in an hour. With luck, we'll get to 34 tomorrow, which means Smokingnu won't go below 50 Mana even as he ages.
Ancient monsters are the best. Ten times the experience with only say three times the HP.
Then again, Clover Pigs will lose between fifteen to twenty MP from what I recall during the same time, so I've got a bit more to worry about when I finally get mine. Also, I like the Ancient mobs because of the gems they drop. I've got a spirit weapon on Bijuni, so I love getting my hands on some gemstones.
Be sure to check the wiki in the OP, there's a lot of very nice info in there. And generally the stuff called "Kons" are "homestead experience" as it levels up, it'll get more stuff to build on it, etcetcetc. So the strawberry field probably didn't vanish, it just turned into Kons.
This. The wiki is full of all of the information you will ever need for Mabinogi, including walkthroughs for the quests, battle tactics, and previews of things that haven't been released in the US yet. For example, in g17 we get things like Commerce Mastery as well as a Talent system that will revamp the Destiny system somewhat.
I decided that my 2 day old giant warrior will have to learn metalurgy refining and blacksmithing before doing any serious combat.
And apparently to advance metalurgy i have to get to lvl 6 in exploration and talk to a cetain girl... but when i hit lvl 5 a "mandatory" exploration quest poped up on the other side of the continent.
Oh game you troll me so hard.
Make sure to keep your Production Mastery low when you're learning refining, as from a certain point up until I think r5 you have to fail a lot in order to rank the skill up. Production Mastery just so happens to make crafting easier, so don't raise it any higher than maybe rC if you want to do some serious Refining.
Actually, farming IS worth it if you have other things to do besides Mabinogi. Sure it might take 5 hours a day to use all 10 actions, but you can do other tings while waiting for the cool-down. Sure you can earn more by doing commerce in the same amount of time, but there's is the risk of bandits and the very dull travel. Also, commerce is only effective if you have a wagon or elephant and the newer players won't have those.
I just cashed in my crops from farming for a nice fat check of 180k. It was originally 190K but I had to make it a check which brought it down to 180k. Then I bought the Tioz armor for 100k, what great deal! It even has 5 more durability from it's base stat.......
Damn, I shouldn't walk around Channel 1 too much, I keep buying stuff....
Honestly, I've considered putting the elf I don't play on as often in the farming areas in Taillteann just to act as my farmer and thus get a lot of gold for my other characters. Having an alt do your farming for you makes it so that you can spend more time on the characters that you wish to develop and then just check in periodically when your farmer needs to do some work again. I would recommend using the alarm system ingame to manage this though, or if you can find it use Erinn Timer.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2012, 11:16:17 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2012, 11:42:04 am
I suggest you buy a Clove Gnu, not a Pig. The reasons are twofold.
One, Gnus have a net loss of 5 by the time they stop aging. If you don't level your Gnu with 35 mana at all, you'll end up with 25 mana. I think Pigs lose more.
Two, Gnus give Mandrakes while Pigs give Antidote herbs. Mandrakes are all-around useful and also crucial for many ranks in potioncraft, while Antidote herbs are used for maybe three ranks total, then ignored. What monster uses poison, anyways? :/
Seriyu, more and more people are getting on the Potion wagon itseems Dx
Also, no-one needs cheap ore? O.o
Post by: majikero on July 27, 2012, 11:58:23 am
In-game name: Acolyte0
Post by: dei on July 27, 2012, 02:47:56 pm
@dei
I suggest you buy a Clove Gnu, not a Pig. The reasons are twofold.
One, Gnus have a net loss of 5 by the time they stop aging. If you don't level your Gnu with 35 mana at all, you'll end up with 25 mana. I think Pigs lose more.
Two, Gnus give Mandrakes while Pigs give Antidote herbs. Mandrakes are all-around useful and also crucial for many ranks in potioncraft, while Antidote herbs are used for maybe three ranks total, then ignored. What monster uses poison, anyways? :/
Seriyu, more and more people are getting on the Potion wagon itseems Dx
Also, no-one needs cheap ore? O.o
I was going to get a Clover Gnu eventually as well. I am on a fixed income so what little I can put towards this game usually goes towards something cheap and affordable so I can get the most bang for my buck. For whatever reason I was under the impression that the Clover Pig was cheaper, so do correct me if I'm wrong. I'm also wanting a Snowy Owl, so depending on how much I can spend come the first Monday of next month I may or may not take your advice then and there. It depends on what else I've planned on getting.
And I know about that little difference between the two pets. That's why I was planning on getting one at a time and then training that one so that the penalty would be offset by the amount of levels that they had gained. Though thanks for pointing it out again...
Also, I'm planning on eventually getting my giant Nidde into Refining, though that might not be until her next rebirth as I have a hard time gaining AP after around level 30. Bijuni and Nidde will be able to rebirth for free sometime in September, though I might be in the process of moving by that time.
And I'm sorry if I seem snarky with the first paragraph. It's just that I kind of felt like I was being treated like a noob. I'm not a noob, and I've got a fair bit of both the wiki and most of the game before the Shakespeare quests were released memorized. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as standoffish, as that's not what I'm meaning to.
I need iron, mail it to me with the price. Not sure how mail transaction works though.
In-game name: Acolyte0
The person mailing you the goods for sale must select a price when mailing them, and in order for you to open that package you must have that same amount of gold ready on your character.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2012, 03:45:38 pm
I fully endorse the Clover Gnu instead of the Clover Pig. The pig is small, cute, and cheaper, but the gnu is larger and better suited for the task it's made for. After aging it has significantly more MP, and it's inventory is smaller, 24 compared to 25 on the pig, but its inventory is more suited for herbs, 4*6 is room for 4*3=12 herb stacks, while the pig is 5*5 so it can only foot 5*2=10 herb stacks + 5 unused space.
Additionally, the gnu gains .75 MP on level up for two years whole the pig only gains .75 for one year (ie, weeks). This means that the gnu has to gain fewer levels to gain more MP, and because of its age-up mana loss, it already has to gain fewer levels because it has more MP after aging anyways. It costs 300 more NX - 30 cents - and does so much more.
And let's not forget that white herbs are pure gold. They sell pretty stable, and if you have them then it means you won't be buying anyone else's herbs for when you need to repair your ego.
If you're going to spend money and get a pet, then you're getting a minimum $5 NX card. With 5,000 NX you can get either the gnu or the pig, and you might as well go with the one who has more MP.
Post by: alexwazer on July 27, 2012, 04:29:27 pm
And let's not forget that white herbs are pure gold. They sell pretty stable, and if you have them then it means you won't be buying anyone else's herbs for when you need to repair your ego.
That's the only good reason to take pig instead of the gnu. Gnu has 8% chance for white herb while the pig has 12% (at the cost of base hern too... just got in the field outside). 50% increase means a lot especially since it's the only really useful herb from pets that can't be grown in homestead (mandrake's not bad, but far from being essential). Although, I already have a pig, tons of white herbs sitting in bank and a handful of spirit repair potion already made. So I could provide them to anyone that needs some.
@Skyrunner
I also could use ore/fragment. I'm at refining r2 and slowly crawling my way to r1. Not sure what kind of metal majikero/Aco needs right now, so would be better to check with him for that first. I have very little use for iron and copper. Edit: Btw, that would be for Donryu
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 27, 2012, 04:33:47 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2012, 04:34:54 pm
Post by: dei on July 27, 2012, 05:31:39 pm
Also, thank you for correcting me about that mail order bit. Personally I don't sell to players unless I know them very well, so that's not my area of expertise. Personally I don't like most of the Mabinogi community so I don't bother with them unless they bother with me. Though that may be why I'm in comparison to other players, "poor". Now if you excuse me, I've got to take a walk to unwind from all this drama regarding a pregnant schizophrenic woman my landlord has just now realized he mistakenly let move into my apartment in this here community housing facility.
Post by: majikero on July 27, 2012, 05:47:03 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2012, 05:57:19 pm
Battlefield Overture gives a buff to attack power and critical rate - the attack buff is based on percentage. Someone carrying a massive dual-handed blade will get a large increase. Giants rejoice! Seems to apply to bows as well, but I somehow doubt it affects magic.
Enduring Melody increases defense slightly, from 1 to 11 from ranks N to 1, as well as some modest protection, and perhaps most importantly it buffs your MP and SP recovery rate. Should prove very useful for rafting and ballooning, as MP can become a bottleneck.
Lullaby is an odd one, but works surprisingly well. Maxed out, it will keep an enemy asleep for 9 seconds, which is fairly massive, and provide bonus damage dealt to them. The bard does NOT gain aggro, making it very possible for the bard to sit in the corner and play, providing a stagger effect on enemies in a dungeon room and shifting the multi-aggro threat down a notch. Unfortunately it's based on your CP, and most low-level players will have poor CP and thus would be poor lullaby players.
Then there's the Harvest Song as well, which anyone who ever produces anything will enjoy.
All of these are buffed by your Playing Instrument level, and can receive an "excellent performance" buff of +10% or "inspired performance" of +30%. Even someone low-ranked with enough free time could get their Playing Instrument higher just by turning on "repeat performance" option while standing in a tent. Additionally, Musical Knowledge has a quest line where it gives back most of the AP you invested in it, giving you fairly massive Int boosts for very low AP costs.
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 06:52:11 pm
Doubly so considering with all the Int most of the playing skills give, it'd make for a wonderful pair with magic, which is obviously another wonderful pair with the slowing enemies effect of discord.
I've really only looked at discord so far but yes.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 27, 2012, 07:55:44 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2012, 08:13:37 pm
I think even with a 2 second delay, buffing others would be doable.
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2012, 08:30:00 pm
Post by: majikero on July 27, 2012, 08:47:21 pm
Post by: dei on July 28, 2012, 09:58:09 am
So silver ore. Anyone need it? I have 12 chunks that I can't do anything with because I am not a blacksmith or refiner.
Silver is only useful as a finishing material if I recall correctly. Most people would prefer to buy ingots as well. Therefore, I would suggest you use your ore for refining purposes.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 03:46:46 pm
And most prefer to buy the ore. Silver is annoying to harvest, so getting some smelting exp in along with blacksmithing is often worthwhile.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 28, 2012, 04:34:58 pm
And i was running around without any shield.
Also i got refining but DAMN 26% chance of succes? And uses 5 ores for one try.
This is going to be hell. I just know it.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
However, for refining you'll find comfort in failure soon enough. It's the only skill where you actually have to fail to level up - success alone doesn't provide enough exp to make 100! Using a Vales or Filia furnace will lower your success rate, as will lowering your dex, via titles or via booze. I also have a second furnace in my homestead that is not buffed, so it has the same success rate as a Bangor furnace.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 28, 2012, 04:50:56 pm
Dwarfy as heck.
Also where i can applly to a B12 guild? (there is one right?)
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 04:58:44 pm
There is a guild, but there is not yet a guild stone. I'm taking personal applications though until we decide on a location for the stone. So if you can find Laur in game, or suggest a good place to plant a stone, then we can get things moving.
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2012, 05:57:13 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on July 28, 2012, 06:56:04 pm
Basic Metalurgy
Basic Refining
Sub average mace waving skill.
Also what's the purpouse of harmfull enchants like "farmer" that DECREASE streangth?
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 07:03:48 pm
Post by: dei on July 28, 2012, 07:12:27 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 07:14:52 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2012, 10:01:28 pm
Although Laur's advice is good too if you want to excel.
Also I forgot to update today, I'll add it tomorrow as I kind've forgot where I was.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2012, 10:32:13 pm
It's also for steamrolling, in case you're running Karu just to get glowing pieces, you can just get a bunch of people and swipe the whole way through without stopping.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2012, 01:49:38 am
Of course I probably would go on dungeon runs if people ask but til then, the choice stands.
Post by: etgfrog on July 29, 2012, 02:07:44 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2012, 02:14:48 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 29, 2012, 05:26:59 am
Of course I probably would go on dungeon runs if people ask but til then, the choice stands.1 I will most likely need someone to come with me, preferably who isn't also doing commerce. If they are, both our damages will be halved which = bad things happening. But then if they don't carry goods, they're essentially just running around the continent and will probably get bored. Oh man, all these decisions.
If you ever need a little muscle for stuff like this in the future, just give me a ring. 8)
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 07:13:29 am
Aggro Management AKA READ THIS UPDATE.
Aggro (Short for agression, IE a monster beginning to attack you, signified by TWO exclamation points above their head. One is just alert, and doesn't nessacerilly mean it will attack you, but we'll get to that later.) is a major and as a result very important part of a dungeon run. It's important to know what enemies will multiaggro (more then one attacking you), which will single aggro, and how aggro works in general. Monsters with less aggro on them (single) are generally less threatening then multiaggro monsters for this very reason.
Aggro is also the primary reason you bring more people. Multiaggro dungeons are made far far more possible by even just one more person. That's not to say they're impossible to solo, but you've gotta have a really good grip on the combat system (or be a ranged class that can one/two shot the multiaggro monsters) to stand a chance. As a result, generally, to be useful in a dungeon enviroment, you just have to hold aggro on your monster (or monsters) and hold down the fort on them, because you are eating their aggro slot, and as a result, if that particular monster multiaggros, nearby people do not have to worry about it and can focus on killing the one in front of them. You're also helping clear the room faster, and as a result causing people to lose less stamina/mana over the course of a dungeon. Very few monsters change aggro with any regularity, there's only one that comes to mind, Gargoyles, and as you'd expect they are horrible horrible monsters for exactly this reason. Luckily they are very limited to where they spawn.
So let's get to the actual aggro management. First, if you hit a monster, look for a !! above their head in a big white bubble. If it shows up, get some distance via knockback/knockdown usually, and then hit a defensive skill. If they're single aggro, counter or defense will do, if they're multiaggro, and you see another one coming at you at roughly the same speed, windmill is probably the better choice. If you hit both, you knock them both back and as a result buy more time for someone else to help, or generally just keep you from dying in a solo situation. The reason multiaggro is so bad is because your normal defensive skills, defense and counterattack, are very limited in their uses against them. ( If you can't use counterattack, Generally you want to counter first and then defend, because defense always begins loading immediately as you hit the button, but counterattack has to wait for animations to finish. So you counter the first enemy and immediately load defense and block the second.) In multiaggro situations, DO NOT BE A HERO. Don't rush out to revive people, you will pull more monsters to them and die, thereby making it harder for other people to revive them, and also tipping the odds in your favor. AGAIN, YOUR LIFE IS PRECIOUS IF YOU HAVE EVEN A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMBAT SYSTEM. DON'T ASSUME YOU CAN JUST RUSH OUT AND TRY TO SAVE PEOPLE AND NOT CAUSE TROUBLE TO OTHERS WHEN YOU DIE. IF YOU ARE EATING AN AGGRO SLOT AND HOLDING OFF THE ENEMY, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE HELPING IN AN IRREPLACEABLE WAY.
Anyway. If you see a single ! after you hit them, they are alerted, not aggroing (very few monsters do this, but some will), and you generally have time for a second attack after the first combo/smash. But don't dawdle, they'll prolly be on your sooner or later. Push the advantage and all that.
A note, if you are fighting an enemy that is currently aggroed on to you, and another monster acts like it's going to attack, but never does, that is called Semi Multi Aggro. What that means is the other enemy is aware of you, but not attacking. It will generally immediately attack you after you kill the first enemy, even though you didn't hit it. Watch for it.
Aggro speed is another factor, some monsters aggro slower then others. Animals will typically aggro slower then monsters (think goblins/kobolds), and generally the bigger and meaner a monster is, the faster it will aggro, although there are exceptions. Monsters with notable aggro speed are golems, for instance, and this is why you see people pulling the skeletons away from the golem and killing them, rather then running in and hoping they kill the skeleton first. Could they kill them in one support shotted bash? Probably. But there's no reason to take that risk.
So, you've killed your monster and other people are preoccupied with their own, what do you do? Feel free to help, but BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE AGGRO. Generally pulling an enemy away from someone is never a bad thing, but be aware that it can and often does happen. If you hit an enemy attacking another person, that enemy will lock onto you, usually, sometimes without a !! sign. If you're not sure, load a defensive skill. If it goes past you and attacks the guy it was attacking previously, well, he was probably ready for it anyway, and again YOU ARE A LOT MORE VALUABLE ALIVE THEN DEAD.
Iiiiii believe that is it. So that sums up most aggro quirks, and I will repeat again. YOU ARE A LOT MORE VALUABLE ALIVE THEN DEAD. DO NOT TAKE UNNECESSARY RISKS.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 29, 2012, 09:49:48 am
And know your non-aggro skills. Windmill will hit a lot of monsters, but it causes no aggro. Similarly, splash damage on high ranked smash or magnum shot will not cause multi aggro, nor will crash shot or lightning bolt. These skills can hit any number of monsters without causing any additional aggro. With exceptions. Certain types of snakes in particular, and golden mask ghosts, are prone to aggro if you hit them with windmill. Golden mask ghosts in specific, will aggro you if they're using Defense and you hit them with a windmill. Which is neat, because GMGs normally have no aggro. They will "alert" and they will follow around you loading skills (like those foxes at Tir) but they will never begin attacking until they're hit first. Mirage missile will cause aggro on the creature hit, but the spreading poison causes no aggro ever.
Intermediate magic of all types, and Enthralling Performance (bard skill learned in Hamlet's quest line) will ALWAYS cause every monster to aggro you.
What does this mean?
Barri - Spam windmill, assault slash, counterattack, more windmill, crash shot, etc. - full on DPS
Ciar - Smash, windmill, mirage missile, crash shot, etc. - use AOE skills carefully
Karu Glowing - Smash, magnum, mirage, support shot, counterattack, etc. very carefully. - use no AOE at all.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 29, 2012, 12:16:37 pm
I go a bit furthen and bam another one... this time basic.
Well i'll be trying the 1 man dungeon pass now.
I'd do the 3 man with someone but i think i should wait with it till i get plate armor and a better mace.
(meaning i'll have to throw it into a garbage can because it has 2 hours left)
Update:
Got killed in Alby Basic by swarming bats.
Got to level 25.
Leveled yup weaving to get that cheap dex bonus (i guess 2 dex is quite good for 1 AP).
Found a 3 cm diamond
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 02:46:02 pm
The only sad thing was that patching never seemed to work for me, always some error when I try to play.
Trying again anyhow, I really hope it will work.
Post by: alexwazer on July 29, 2012, 05:18:36 pm
Most single aggro mobs will have some kind of "aggro queue" after the first one and will aggro instantly after the initial enemy is killed, even if you moved further and outside their usual aggro range. Some, like spiders, bats, wolves and most other animals will have a single exclamation mark to show they are watching you, but most humanoids will just keep moving without showing any signs. This can be danagerous if you are no careful; if the next enemy in the "queue" is standing right besides you when you kill your target, it might attack you before you have a chance to prepare a skill. It could also create some issues if after killing your target you quickly start attacking another just as the next one in the "queue" aggros. This is one of the reason it's usually better to avoid attacking/killing an enemy that is currently fighting someone else as that person might not be expecting to have to switch target at that time. On top of that, if that person did the most damage to the killed enemy, he/she will still have it targeted (so he/she can finishes it) making it even harder to quicly handle the next threat.
Some skills, like windmill, somewhat mess up with that hidden aggro queue. Killing your target with windmill usually won't make the next one aggro right away. This can actually be exploited by spamming windmill and creating a queue of not-yet-ready-to-aggro mobs.
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 06:10:36 pm
This game was awesome last time I played it.
The only sad thing was that patching never seemed to work for me, always some error when I try to play.
Trying again anyhow, I really hope it will work.
Eyyy, let us know if it works out! And if you get a particular error message let us know. I think it had something to do with the patcher? If so, try updating, or in fact, even having internet explorer. The patcher uses it to run, so if it doesn't exist on the computer, it just won't run. I dunno how this would effect Mac/Linux computers.
So i was running through Alby dungeon (i decded to enchant all my junk with + 1% crit and farm some fomor scrolls while i'm at it) and bam. a advanced 3 man invite.
I go a bit furthen and bam another one... this time basic.
Well i'll be trying the 1 man dungeon pass now.
I'd do the 3 man with someone but i think i should wait with it till i get plate armor and a better mace.
(meaning i'll have to throw it into a garbage can because it has 2 hours left)
Update:
Got killed in Alby Basic by swarming bats.
Got to level 25.
Leveled yup weaving to get that cheap dex bonus (i guess 2 dex is quite good for 1 AP).
Found a 3 cm diamond
Yep, sounds like Alby basic. Lot of multiaggro, Alby basic is honestly one of the harder dungeons in the game, and alby in general is particularly hard as if to make up for the sorry excuse that is alby normal. I'll be sure to add you eventually and get you added to the guild.
Post by: Patchy on July 29, 2012, 06:53:51 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 07:22:45 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 07:50:49 pm
"Error copying files, if the error persists, please reboot and restart"
This is the same error I have had, from around 2 years ago.
I have tried reinstalling, patching again, and all sorts of things, yet to no avail.
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 07:53:34 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 07:55:28 pm
Post by: etgfrog on July 29, 2012, 09:22:36 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 09:28:22 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 09:31:07 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 09:34:16 pm
Thanks guys!
EDIT: Are mabinogi accounts seperate from Nexon? Cant seem to log on at all, even though my info is correct.
And now I cant even start Mabinogi, something about hackshield not being able to update, error code 0x30000030.
>:(
Post by: etgfrog on July 29, 2012, 09:39:56 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 09:52:05 pm
Bah, I cant read apparently
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 09:57:03 pm
EDIT: I'm also glad you read the OP. :P
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 10:09:52 pm
Alexina. Be sure to post your username in the thread and I'll getcha a guild invite when I can. Happy to have ya aboard!
EDIT: I'm also glad you read the OP. :P
Username is Conuis.
I find the amount of things they added astounding.. destinies.. commerce system.. i just feel so giddy about playing it again. ;D
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 10:11:39 pm
Post by: majikero on July 29, 2012, 10:48:51 pm
Just a little incentive and also because I need it, if someone can forge a gold fluted short sword and a gold battle sword, I'm buying 2 of each as long as it's equal or above shop stats. Just name your price, I'm willing to pay more for higher quality stuff.
Why, do I need it? The fluted if for the goddess enchant. I'm not finishing G1 without it. The battle sword is for my ego.
Why can't I just use the store brought ones? Because I want my special weapons to be shiny.
Why 2 of each? Because I want it to be a pair.
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2012, 11:48:36 pm
So yeah, if anyone needs any tailoring/blacksmithing done, lemme know, or just post it in the thread. It'll give me more reason to work on those skills.
Post by: Carcanken on July 29, 2012, 11:49:21 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2012, 11:53:51 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 30, 2012, 12:07:43 am
I've even tried redoing the dungeon twice.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 30, 2012, 12:08:30 am
Post by: Carcanken on July 30, 2012, 12:09:10 am
You don't need to talk to her, I think, just leave and tell Duncan.My current objective is to save her, and I cant even exit the dungeon. The room behind the boss has nothing but a statue. :-\
EDIT: nevermind ;D
Post by: Sonlirain on July 30, 2012, 04:49:43 am
The bars (F1-F10 and 1-10) just reset every time i relog and i find it somewhat annoying.
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2012, 04:58:40 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2012, 08:45:47 am
Namely, specific dungeons. Hardmode will be done seperately from normal.
We'll start out with alby. Alby, all in all, is at a fairly advanced level, barring normal of course. Be ready for it, and be ready to die irregardless.
Alby Normal, is a joke. One short floor. This is the only time I will say this about a dungeon, do not be proud about soloing alby normal, it merely means you are competant. If you can't beat alby normal solo, you need to use hotkeys, or perhaps need a much better internet connection/framerate. Nontheless, there are white spiders in here, bats, rats. The generic "rodent" mobs of every other dungeon that are just there to give you a breather. Also a good place to train enchanting. Good because it's easy, and bad because you will have to grind alby normal until your eyes fall out to be a decent enchanter.
Alby Basic. Two floors. The rest of alby is a horrible hellhole, presumably to make up for the shame of housing alby normal. Mostly animals, bears are basic mobs, along with wolves and spiders. Don't let this fool you, most of these enemies multiaggro, and will tear you to pieces given an opening. You have been warned.
The boss is a giant red spider with Burgandy spiders around it. Basically alby normal but harder. Again the small spiders will multiaggro together with the boss. Pull the boss out, kill it, pick off the tiny spiders. Since they're all spiders, it should be a bit easier, since spiders are a pretty pathetic enemy type, but don't think it won't knock your damn teeth out at the first possible opportunity if you let it.
Alby Intermediate for One. One floor. Once more, multiaggro central. The normal amount of burgandy bears, spiders, wolves, and such are still around, with the addition of giant spiders as a basic enemy. The one from Alby normal. This seems threatening but you can litterally hit them with windmill from anywhere in the room, soooo yeah. There are also wisps, and werewolves. Wisps are caster enemies, which means you should rush them, and Werewolves are a basic enemy with heavy stander. So always hit them with smash, windmill,etc anything that always kncks back, and you'll be fine. Do not N+1 enemies with heavy stander, they will return the favor in spades.
Boss is another pair of Giant spider/normal spiders. Similar tactics to the previous set of spiders.
Alby Intermediate for Two. Two floors. Again, Multiaggro. All alby dungeons are like this, and they're pretty hefty multiaggro in all of them, so go in with a party if you can, unless you are a tiny god. It is the same as Intermediate for one, except for the addition of a different colored giant spider.
However, the boss is different. Five Gorgons, and 2 Lycanthropes. First the gorgons. They'll multiaggro, both with their own kind and the Lycanthropes. They have heavy stander. They only have 500 HP, so a good smasher can knock em out in one go. Not a huge issue if you draw them away, like you should.
LYCANTHROPES. These are very hard until you know the trick to em. IF YOU KNOCK THEM DOWN WITH ANYTHING BUT WINDMILL, THEY WILL FULLY HEAL. So, spam that windmill. Don't use counter. Use N+1+windmill, they don't have heavy stander. Defense is reccomended, as counter will heal them. They also multiaggro. So time those windmills well, or you'll get a face full of those enormous forearms they call claws.
Alby Intermediate for four. Two floors. Again, very similar. Blue animals, wisps, giant spiders, werewolves. However, this has a miniboss at the end of each floor, namely a single giant spider. Since it's a single spider of any kind, it is no threat, but it's still a concept that will be revisited.
The boss? Three giant spiders of different colors, and fifteen burgandy spiders. YEP. They all multiaggro, however, like all boss rooms, it suffers from the notable disability of you being able to draw them out with icebolt or ranged attack, so do so and everything will be fine.
Now, for Alby Advanced for one. For once not multiaggro city. Most of the new enemies, spider humanoids, archers, etc, will not multiaggro, but archers carry the risks all archers do, namely double aggro. The normal black spiders will multi however and they can also poison you, which is a status effect that does not fuck around in mabinogi. Consider carrying some antidote potions around if you can get your hands on some. Spider wasps will also multiaggro, no poison on them though. Grendals are also here, think bears with heavy stander.
Boss? Arachne. A spider witch thing. She's a caster that knows advanced magic, and a high rank of lightning bolt. Rush her, or you will get murdered in short order. No hesitation. Her melee damage isn't tiny, but it won't one shot you through defense either. She'll also summon poisonous spiders, to attempt to distract you. Windmill em away, and continue attacking her. I'm serious, if you don't interrupt her advanced magic consistently, she will nuke you into the ground. You will be a smoldering husk. THIS IS ADVANCED MAGIC.
Alby Advanced for Three. More of the same. Some colors have been swapped around, about the same amount of multiaggro. Poison spiders are still around, so consider antidote. Or consider not getting hit.
Boss? Spider warriors and a Giant Golden Spider. Giant golden spider, single aggro, has a ton of HP, heavy stander, and natural shield. Still a spider, so just smash away.
Now, for the finale, Alby Advanced. Same enemies, bring antidote, one new enemy. CObweb mummy! It's a zombie, so it has a rediculous amount of HP, all defensive reflectors (Heavy, Natural, and Mana), and.... Magic?! Shit. This means it's slow movement isn't an issue. Not a big deal, windmill/smash, and hope for some crits.
The boss? Three giant golden spiders. If you brought three people or more, not an issue. Just bash/defense/counter em. Basic. If you're the only one? Draw them out. It doesn't immediately appear so, but you will probably need to rest after two, or even one of them, and they will semi multi aggro, and tend to rush you immediately after you bring the first down, giving you no time to get away. Do that and you'll be fine.
Annnd that's alby for you. Next time, Ciar. Until then!
Post by: majikero on July 30, 2012, 09:04:35 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2012, 07:55:44 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on July 30, 2012, 08:31:02 pm
I decided to use the "the lucky" title and BAM several foxes later one decided to drop 10900 gold.
Best title EVER.
Also i think i'll put Blacksmithing on hold till i rebirth and take a mechant destiny since seeing how almost NOTHING i could make would fit a giant character anyway...
Oh and i replaced my wooden Mallet with a XXL sledgehammer. Reforging it gave me... umm... thunderbolt damage up.
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2012, 09:58:38 pm
And yeah, most giant gear is much later down the chain then human/elf gear. It's a downside, but it's not too bad.
And yes, luck is an amazing stats if you like crits and gold.
Post by: majikero on July 30, 2012, 11:28:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2012, 12:22:21 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 31, 2012, 12:53:37 am
Post by: Sonlirain on July 31, 2012, 11:53:46 am
Should my blunt weapon specialized giant use:
Dual maces.
One big 2h mace.
Mace and shield.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 31, 2012, 12:07:58 pm
Ok question since i'm bored with my current weapon (actually i ruined it by practicing Enchanting on it too much but shush).I say one big mace for big smashes but that's just me.
Should my blunt weapon specialized giant use:
Dual maces.
One big 2h mace.
Mace and shield.
Post by: dei on July 31, 2012, 12:24:17 pm
Improve your DPS through whatever means necessary. Melee, archery, magic, whatever. As long as you're throwing damage out and you can keep one enemy busy, you're contributing to dungeon runs.[edit]My DPS is not a problem, my lag is. I have r2 Icebolt, r6 Ice Mastery, and r5 Counterattack for starters, and my specialty on Juni (Bijuni) is Ice Counter and Ice Spam. The problem is that my lag issues have to do mostly with a poor internet connection and a computer that predates Mabinogi by two years. I managed to fix most of my lag by turning off the sound though, so I am lagging noticeably less now.
Basically, barring any lag issues I can take out anything up to a Light Gargoyle with Icebolt and Counterattack alone, and in some cases with five charges or less. I have problems with more than two teaming up on me, and can easily deal with two mobs if I have a pet or partner summoned, especially my Maid, my Malamute, my Silver Fox or my Hamster. If I am lagging I tend to die more often, and sometimes in very Fun ways that would make Armok chuckle.
I can be of use in dungeons, especially as support. Juni's icebolts can save lives just as easily as they can end them, and she does have Healing r9, Lullaby rE, Enduring Song rE, and often times a metric fuckton of bandages and phoenix feathers. I just tend to not do as well in large groups or in groups that tend to rush through everything. It's not that I can't keep up under optimal conditions, but most of the time I prefer to take my time and go through the dungeon carefully and calmly. I'm a tactician and philosopher at heart and I let that show when I play games like Mabinogi.
Just don't ask me to go rafting. To sum it up, I have nightmares about hobgoblins and I don't like cramped spaces without walls to put my back against. You may in a dungeon see me rush to a corner before the spawns are triggered. That's so I can get a good view of the room and pick off my targets one by one. I can't do that while rafting, and I haven't learned how to adapt for that.
Anyways, in other news I bought a Clover Pig today, named her Peaceblossom, and got her to level six. I also somehow managed to fuck up Nidde when my internet crashed while I was in the Beauty Shop. I'll write a ticket regarding that this evening at the earliest, but hopefully it somehow resolves itself.
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Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2012, 08:12:12 pm
Ok question since i'm bored with my current weapon (actually i ruined it by practicing Enchanting on it too much but shush).
Should my blunt weapon specialized giant use:
Dual maces.
One big 2h mace.
Mace and shield.
Hullo there, the only giant in the guild here. I'll just go ahead and list off the benefits of each....
Dual Maces, these are probably the best option for offense. But it's also twice the weapon upkeep (A two handed weapon has more repair cost per point then a single mace, but Two Maces and A mace and shield tends to add up pretty fast.) Two handed weapons do get a bonus to smash (even weapons you can equip in one hand, but are two handed for humans and elves, by the way! Consider a claymore.), 1.2x damage. Dual wielding weapons applies both weapons damage though, so they usually do more damage with smash and windmill.
Two handed weapons again, are cheap(er), and if set up well can usually do comparable damage in skills like smash or windmill to two weapons, so they're the economy option. They also look awesome.
Weapon and Shield. If you've been ranking up defense I cannot reccomend this enough, because defense provides a lot of passive defense while wearing a shield. Not even using defense. When I unequipped my shield I was suddenly unable to do fidoh because I was taking 15 damage a hit rather then 1 damage a hit, so it's pretty sizable. You can also use it to block arrows and magic via defense (if you don't have a shield, you just get hit and fly backwords like normal). Obviously for defensive measures, this is best, but it's also probably the most expensive option, depending on what weapons you use for dual handing/what weapon you use with the shield, as vales shield costs quite a bit to repair. Also of note is that Giants get very good shields too, so that's worth noting.
Post by: Carcanken on July 31, 2012, 08:17:46 pm
Sometimes it just lags when I try to attack, just a few milliseconds before. Is this common?
Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2012, 08:41:02 pm
But yeah, mabinogi's network code is not great, it's important to remember a lot of these free korean MMOs rely on a population density that just doesn't exist in the US or europe. So there's always gonna be a bit of blinking around now and then. Disabling nagle's algorithm will probably help a ton.
Post by: Carcanken on July 31, 2012, 10:49:03 pm
Try turning off the nagle algorithm, and see if that helps. Here. (http://mabinogi.wikia.com/wiki/Lag#Disabling_Nagle.27s_Algorithm)
But yeah, mabinogi's network code is not great, it's important to remember a lot of these free korean MMOs rely on a population density that just doesn't exist in the US or europe. So there's always gonna be a bit of blinking around now and then. Disabling nagle's algorithm will probably help a ton.
eww regedit, im rather concerned im going to mess everything up :-\
Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2012, 10:59:08 pm
So basically copy the instructions in note pad and do it. I didn't need to revert though, and I'm bad at technology. It's pretty easy, don't worry. :p
Post by: Carcanken on July 31, 2012, 11:01:58 pm
Think I could get a guild invite anytime soon?
:P
Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2012, 11:33:04 pm
It doesn't help that you also appear to be on at a time I'm not on, so. I'll be sure to let people know to get an invite set up if they can.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 01, 2012, 02:36:06 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2012, 03:40:38 am
Today I learned how unkind rabbie advanced is to giants. Namely, Hell of Exploding Skeletons.
Frankly that entire dungeon is probably reason enough for some kind of explosion resistance set. :P
Post by: Sonlirain on August 01, 2012, 11:59:09 am
Currently running around with 2 maces.
In this case i guess i will spec into defense naxt due to how deadly bow mobs appear to be.
Seriously 2 shots and i'm almost dead... and half of my life bar is wounds.
Oh and one more question... how long do those "baginner" pets work?
I'm level 40 half of the bank is blocked but they seem to still get "time refills" while i get free healing/stamina potions and nao stones.
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2012, 01:57:41 pm
Post by: Aoi on August 01, 2012, 02:30:48 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 01, 2012, 03:31:50 pm
Also, on a lesser note, how get dragon?
Post by: majikero on August 01, 2012, 04:47:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2012, 08:12:46 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 01, 2012, 10:25:31 pm
Beginner pets are permanant, but as a side effect they haveno inventory, which is really the primary reason you buy pets. Also, defense doesn't really help with arrows at all unless you have a shield, look into charge or evasion on the wiki.
It's my exceedingly humble (and certainly less qualified) opinion that Evasion is something you consider very carefully before committing to it. The precise timing associated with its use along with the typical lag and/or interface problems many players experience might make this a waste of AP, at least versus archers.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 01, 2012, 10:49:51 pm
Post by: Carcanken on August 02, 2012, 12:01:13 am
Dont think I can handle the last boss alone. :-\
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 12:11:06 am
I can come. But not at this very moment.
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 12:14:48 am
Also SirAaron he is in the party you're in RIGHT NOW DUNNNAAAAA (He's conius) :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 12:57:03 am
In other news, fusion Ice-Fire is the best.
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 01:01:02 am
Maybe advanced, but even then.
Post by: Aoi on August 02, 2012, 01:25:01 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 01:29:53 am
Doesn't help that it was Ciar normal and
Also, it's Tir Na Nog time tomorrow. Should be good fun.
Post by: Carcanken on August 02, 2012, 01:49:02 am
Post by: Sonlirain on August 02, 2012, 01:56:06 am
I have NO idea why anyone would like to play as a Horse but... thay can...
Post by: Aoi on August 02, 2012, 02:01:23 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 02:36:16 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 03:26:12 am
Tir Na Nog huh? Looks like I need to speed ahead so I could actually complete the G1 quest for it with you guys then. :P
You can if you want, but don't feel compelled. At the rate people are joining I'm betting people will be doing G1 a month from now anyway.
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 08:48:58 am
Ciar Beginner. Two floors. Ciar Beginner is basically a scaled down version of ciar normal. Notable differences are that it's missing rat men, and the boss room only has a golem, and no skeletons. We'll cover this all more in depth in ciar normal, below.
Ciar Normal. Three floors. Ciar normal is basically the first normal dungeon where the game will stop fucking with you and start trying to kill you for real. Notable things are goblin archers, which will provide support on melee enemies, and also double aggro. Archers should always be your priority in a room, period. If you turn your back on an archer, you are asking it to kill you. And it will be more then happy to oblige! Also of note is later on, poison goblins will spawn. On the third floor specifically. The only difference is they multiaggro, so yeah.
Now, the boss. Golem is a boss that really, is just really hard to deal with. It's little buddies, metal skeletons, aren't terrible but they can hit you pretty damn hard so watch them defensive skills. They can also switch to a ranged attack on the fly, so have charge/evasion ready. They're otherwise pretty basic, they don't feint or do anything unexpected, but they do have a tendency to load windmill as soon as they're knocked back, so watch where you're knocking them back TO. It's easy to kill someone on accident with a flying, breakdancing skeleton. Golem is harder to pin down. Two problem areas are stomp, which he has huge range on, and windmill, which he also has huge range on. The issue is that by the time he's casting it, unless you're already up in his face, it's gonna be a gamble to get close to him.
Generally, use ranged combat if at all possible, melee combat is very messy, and is bound to end with a death or two unless you can transform. For ranged combatants, it does have natural shield and heavy stander, so make judicious use of firebolt and magnum shot. If you can transform, go all out, smash, windmill, kill him asap before he can drain your sizable HP pool. Do not let up. Aside from windmill and smash, golem doesn't really hit a transformed character that hard, so it should be trivial.
Ciar Basic. Three floors. AKA, the wonderful world of snakes. Snakes are notable for being the first enemy that your average mabinogi player is gonna not realize what the hell is going on. All snakes except black(not in this dungeon) are single aggro, so why are multiple snakes attacking you? Here's a hint: Two different types of snakes will often spawn in the same room. If you're not aware of the "seperate enemy types can multiaggro with each other" rule, it really feels like the game is just cheating at this point. Other notes with snakes are that (I believe) they will start defense, and cancel it before you can reach them. Not always, but sometimes. If you get caught in this trap, immediately hit a defensive skill, who cares which one. They don't hit hard, but they're still pretty capable of killing you in one combo. Also notable are laghodessas, which are basically spiders that hit a lot harder. However, they're still spiders. Don't try anything fancy that you're not intimately familiar with though, or they can punish you pretty hard, even without bash. And finally, rat men. Rat men are the king of feints, their text boxes block their skill windows, they often say things that don't line up with what they're doing. What's a fella to do? Play defensively. Unless you are 100% sure of what they're doing, and what they can do, do not approach them. Use counterattack or windmill where possible, they like running up to you then starting smash before they actually attack you. They will also perform the defense feint that snakes will. Just stay as defensive as you can, and you'll be fine.
The boss? Golem. Ciar is the home stadium of golems. Same rules apply, it has more HP, be ranged if at all possible, natural shield/mana deflect.
Ciar intermediate for one (Two floors) and two. (Three floors) They're both very similar, so I'll just go over them together.
As always, snakes. They move fast, they feint defense, they can't bash. Treat them like faster moving, more clever spiders. Rat men, Laghodessas, it's really all been gone over. They're mostly pallete swaps, so expect more attack and perhaps survivability. Of note is that black snakes have arrived, and they will multi-aggro with their own kind, so don't get caught off guard.
Ciar intermediate for one boss, Golem and six metal skeletons. Again. Golem has even more HP, same rules, yadda yadda yadda. Ciar is not known for it's wide boss variety.
Ciar intermediate for two boss, actually has something different! But it's still a golem. More HP then ciar int for one, blahblah. However, the metal skeletons are now lightly armored. This means they have a slight chance of triggering heavy stander, under 10%, but it's still worth just using smash/windmill on them. Don't wanna risk anything, again, they hit pretty hard.
Ciar intermediate for four. Three floors. Same dungeon mostly. Snakes, rat men, laghodessas. All the same rules apply, there are probably just more of them. Black snakes are present, be ready.
Boss? Slightly different. Lightly armored metal skeletons, and... drumroll.... TWO GOLEMS! Of different types. So they will multiaggro! I'd suggest either breaking into two teams and dealing with each one seperately, or ganging up on one after pulling it out of the room. With four people, you should be able to bring it down in a reasonable amount of time, presuming nothing funky happens, or you don't all fall victim to a poorly timed windmill. Do not get ganged up on by two golems at once, or you may get to witness the notable novelty of seeing your body bounce between two enemies until you die.
Ciar Advanced. Four floors. On the surface, it appears the same. Rat men, laghodessas, one kind of snake. The works. But this would be a grave miscalculation, because everything but the snakes multiaggro in this dungeon. This means you get to deal with two rat men attacking you at the same time, covering their skill bubbles and generally making a nuisence of themselves, and they've also gained magic! Joy of joys. The laghodessas have also gained poison attack, so antidote maybe. Green Snakes, the new snake, do NOT multiaggro, but they've gained bash and counterattack, so don't treat them like normal snakes. They actually have less HP then black snakes, however, so assuming you keep your eyes open they should be easier to deal with. Ciar advanced also has a miniboss. Bugbears! They've got smash, counterattack, and defense, and all three passive defenses, so treat them with kid gloves. They also multiaggro! There are four of them, and they're pretty nasty . I'd bring at least two people, preferably four, for this reason and another later. If you get multi aggroed, as always, stay calm, and try to always be hit when you've got some kind of defensive skill loaded.
Now for the boss! THis one's a doozy. Two giant lightning sprites, and two small black golems. Let's start with the golems. They're kind've... different, since they're small, so their windmill is not so amazingly huge anymore. Similar thing for stomp. With that said, they still have almost more HP then the previous two golems of ciar intermediate for four, a piece. So, draw them out. Now for the sprites. They have thunder, advanced magic. Takes a lot longer to cast then ice spear, so it should be easier to interrupt. They don't have counter or windmill, and their melee attacks are puny at 30-80. If you're transed, I'd just smash spam them. If not, play a little more carefully, don't eat an attack to the face, but you shouldn't have much issue. As always, if you see them cast, rush them. They also summon bard skeletons and metal skeletons (Either the sprites or the golem, I'm not sure.) Bard skeletons are nothing special but watch for counterattack, the metal skeletons aren't even lightly armored, so yeah.
Ciar Advanced for Two. Three floors. Is surprisingly easier then Ciar advanced. (Hint, bring more then two people for ciar advanced.) Has the same layout up to the boss, three bugbears instead of four, multiaggro everywhere, green snakes.
Boss is a little different. One small black golem, three dark rat men, Draw the rat men out, take care of them, then take care of the golem. Since it's a small one, it may even be easier to deal with in melee then the previous large golems.
And finally...
Ciar advanced for Three. Four floors. Again easier then Ciar advanced. Same monster layout, bugbears are back to having four of them.
Boss is two small Black Golems, and a Giant Lightning sprite. Same rules apply, except they do not summon anything, so hooray!
Ciar is done. Next up... prolly math. Maybe rabbie.
Post by: Sonlirain on August 02, 2012, 09:56:40 am
Also how to get into Normal/Beginner ETC dungeons?
I assume droping a rnadom items lets you into normal and tickets enable going into basic advanced ETC.
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 10:24:32 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 10:26:07 am
Post by: Patchy on August 02, 2012, 12:59:24 pm
They are also fairly slow to counter-strike even after triggering their pd, and can be fh'd with duel broadswords. Again that was under the old combat system, not sure about now.
Post by: Sonlirain on August 02, 2012, 05:00:58 pm
I really do.
I decided to do some faraway trading and went To... zara... tara... umm... the city selling furniture.
So i went to the "pill town" to sell them and i ran into a bunch of bandits.
After a short struggle i managed to save most of the load with bandits taking only 5 tables.
I barely managed to grab the cart and BAM a bandit spawned literally ON TOP OF ME.
And again after a struggle they took 3 tables.
And all that happened after the woodcutters camp.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 06:12:38 pm
We don't go to
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 06:15:00 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on August 02, 2012, 06:38:40 pm
No really i loaded a cartload of Tier 2 pills that WOULD sell in D... the city where no good is profitable... for 7 profit suddenly turns into -1 "profit"... so i haul them to bangor where they are supposedly worth 10 profit and uppon arival i cna sell them for 1-2 profit.
Also i noticed that Clams from Cobh are quite a moneymaker in tara... if you manage to make it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 06:45:52 pm
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 06:46:53 pm
Go to Tara <-> Corrib Valley <-> Taillteann <-> Lake Neagh <-> Dunbarton.
From Dunbarton, you can either go to Belvest or Bangor.
Post by: Patchy on August 02, 2012, 07:10:17 pm
My point is, the game has a problem sometimes with not putting enough space between the new spawns and a spawn that was just defeated.
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 07:58:01 pm
I could melee solo the ogre warriors at bangor's barri dungeon. Run up and open with smash, take a half step backwards from it and load windmill. Wait for it to do its pounds if it does them, the half step back was to put you out of range of them generally. Mill it when it rushes you after the pounds, and take another half step back and repeat till it dies. I did this with a reasonble amount of reliability on the old combat system, should still work well enough I think. Though I did occasionally get rounds where each ogre would kill me once.... and then I've also flawlessly solo'd all 5 of them with the above method. Lag hiccups, glitches in your spacing and stuff makes the odd death happen occasionally though.
They are also fairly slow to counter-strike even after triggering their pd, and can be fh'd with duel broadswords. Again that was under the old combat system, not sure about now.
I'm fairly certain final hit wasn't touched, and neither were passive defenses, so, that should still work! Take note prospective Barri runners. Although do keep an eye on your stamina, and if you start running out, try to find some way to get away from the fight. It's a very real possibility when you're fighting five pretty hefty ogres, with a lot of defense and protection.
Post by: Sonlirain on August 02, 2012, 08:00:47 pm
I learned to not stop when the "alarm" goes off because a bandit might have spawned just behind you and WILL attack you if you stop in order to look around.
Well at least trading is not a 100% sure deal this way.
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 08:34:41 pm
Also, for people that don't check the OP, I can invite to the guild now, so lemme know if you need an invite and I'll getcha set up. I dunno how many slots we have left though, so first come first serve.
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 09:15:12 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2012, 10:01:11 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 11:12:32 pm
This is really funny.
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 11:31:01 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 11:34:44 pm
Spoiler: couldn't get the attacking but the aftermath: (click to show/hide)
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2012, 11:45:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2012, 11:55:21 pm
e: Okay, it's done.
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 12:40:18 am
Post by: Aoi on August 03, 2012, 01:33:16 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 06:35:05 am
Math normal(One really long floor) is a lot like Ciar. Most of the threat comes from archers and the boss. Now, normal kobolds do not multiaggro, like goblins, but archers will. Basically goblins with less HP. Aside from this there are random spiders and mice and such, and a couple of very rare spawns, namely, a giant skeleton, which is a normal skeleton with more HP. Around 610, maybe a lot if you're still fresh outta the gate, but you'll quickly outpace him. Not an issue. The other rare spawn? Pocket mouse. It has magic, mana drain (which is an ability that levels up a monster when you hit them with a magic attack that doesn't knock back so basically don't use magic that isn't firebolt.) It also has Mana Deflector and Natural shield. Nothing terrible, but still worth noting with mana drain. And another paralell to ciar that I forgot to mention (it'll be edited in after this), Poison Kobolds. Normal kobolds, except they multiaggro. Be aware.
Boss? Three hellhounds. If you're solo, PULL THEM OUT, OR STAY AWAY FROM THE OTHERS. THEY WILL MUTLI-AGGRO AND THEIR FIREBOLT WILL WASTE YOU. Like all casters, just rush em. Make sure there's not another on you and make sure firebolt never goes off, and you'll be fine.
Going straight to Math Advanced.(Four floors) New stuff, red kobolds. They will multi-aggro, and they have higher stats then normal kobolds. Gold Kobolds, which really aren't notable, normal humanoid mob, smash, defense, counter. And red kobold archers, which are kobold archers with more stats. Now for the stuff which is, ya know, not kobolds. Sprites! These things are like wisps, basically, but elementally focused. Wisps are basically "lightning sprites". Fire sprite, Ice sprite, both are casters, just rush them, watch for smash because smash will always fuck you up, otherwise you're probably good. Next up, Small Troll. Basic humanoid mob with a lot of health, fairly uncommon. They also have rest, but you'll never seem the use it aside from when they spawn, or if you get killed by one. So basically expect them to heal to full or near full by the time you get back. And finally, the skeleton hellhound. Basically a skeleton wolf with higher stats, no firebolt either. Treat them like a wolf.
Boss? Initially, two skeleton bards, and two giant skeleton hellhounds. Giant skeleton hellhounds are skeleton hellhounds with higher stats, we've been over skeleton bards. But there's a trick! If you kill the hellhounds first, the Skeleton Bards will hulk out and turn into metal skeleton bards. Higher defense, they gain smash, windmill, multi-aggro and heavy stander, and lose musical skills. Skeletons, but tougher.
There are also Math advanced for two and three, but they are exactly the same as advanced. Same floors, same monsters, same boss. Different rewards but we're here for monsters, not loot. You get to discover the loot yourself.
Next time Rabbie, after that, probably barri.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 03, 2012, 07:36:29 am
Let me lay out a Peca Basic strategy in case you ever get one. For starters, Basic is much much easier than Peca Normal, for some reason. Still, I believe some of the monsters are the same, so reading the monster tips will help.
I do not claim any ownership to this knowledge, because I haven't been to Peca and stayed alive for more than one room. I think I was downed in two hits after letting off three magnum shots, being turned Deadly in the first critical hit by a Ghoul and killed the second >.> IIRC, the whole 8-person guild party was killed just like that. Only the guy with max ranks in Dark Knight lived any long, and he was killed soon too.
Rule of Thumb, Monsters
Cloaker—No magic: 1 damage always.
Wight—No melee: 1 damage always, and no stun. However, the knockdown rules of Smash and Windmill stand.
Hallow Knight—Quick to cancel your Smash. Swaps between crossbow and sword, and is one of the more intelligent AIs.
Ghoul—Zombies, but they run. Likes to use Windmill.
Cloakers should be smashed to death, wights handled by magickers, and Ghouls Firebolted and forcibly downed. Hallow Knights are just dangerous, and have to be handled the best you can.
1. The Ghost(s) of Milletians Past
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They have all of the passive defenses, if I remember right, but aren't immune. Due to their chain-casting, you can't wait for them to finish whatever they are doing, because Fireball sweeps rooms easily, even the larger rooms of Peca, and Thunder is a death sentence unless you have ungodly amounts of every stat including Will, Magic Defense, and Health.
Only one way to do this, and it's having everyone corral the ghosts to the wall and windmill them savagely! You will die, but you must stand up, magma as your blood and adamantine in your soul, running back to your deaths! xD
2. Huge Moths: death to all clothes!
Note: the subtitle does NOT have any mechanically supported facts.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
3. Hellcats: Like Hellhounds, But With More Everything
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're in the boss room. You must not provoke the Banshee, or you'll quickly die.
4. Banshee
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Banshee isn't slayable via normal means. You need a crafter with you to make Ghost Swords from Ectoplasm or whatever the item name is. Ghost Swords, when not anointed with Holy Water, are finished in one hit, so you need it. The ghosts the Banshee summons drop ectoplasm 100% of the time, so get'm. A good way would be to create 5th rank or higher barrier walls in a corner, and place your crafter and a campfire along with all the not-smashers and hide.
Smash. Always use Smash, not Final Hit. I suppose Windmill would work too, but you musn't waste the durability of the swords on things like normal attacks. xD
5. Things you might want to qualify for if you're going to go to Peca, or at least have someone in your party that does.
- You haz transformation?
- Have rank 1 in Smash? Windmill?
- God transformation, and the Spear of the Gods?
- Magnum Shot.
- Ice Spear?
- A crafter that can make Ghost Swords? (I do think they are 99% at rank F; someone check this for me?)
- Lots of windmillers.
- Good damage output.
- Windmill
- Smash
- Lots of holy water. You're going to die often, and you probably are going to die again if you go run for your dropped weapon.
- A couple hours to spare.
- Party Healing helps.
- Barrier, 5th rank or above helps too.
- Did I mention Windmill and Smash? :3
Meanwhile, Peca doesn't offer any good, common rewards. It also takes many hours to go through it, and you'll die a lot. It -is- said to be fun, though, as long as you're semi-qualified at the bare minimum, so someday we might try it.
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 07:58:13 am
Post by: majikero on August 03, 2012, 09:59:34 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 03, 2012, 10:08:15 am
If you're a bolt mage with Firebolt, I think you can take on Wights. O.o
Still, in Peaca, Windmill and Smash rule. Maybe Ice Spear too.
Post by: Carcanken on August 03, 2012, 05:07:58 pm
What level are most people when they finish G1? Curious, so I can see how close I am currently.
Post by: Sonlirain on August 03, 2012, 05:28:28 pm
If i give them to someone will they get something from them or what?
Also beginner items.
I keep getting Beginner nao stones and potions.
When do those stop "reeling in"?
In other news:
I have my wagon.
Compared to the handcart it's like switching from a broken down Lada to a Lamborghini Diablo.
Post by: Carcanken on August 03, 2012, 05:48:22 pm
ok question... what do the heart stickers do.
If i give them to someone will they get something from them or what?
Also beginner items.
I keep getting Beginner nao stones and potions.
When do those stop "reeling in"?
In other news:
I have my wagon.
Compared to the handcart it's like switching from a broken down Lada to a Lamborghini Diablo.
Hows the wagon revalent to bandits? I always thought the wagon would be going fast, and it would be difficult to dodge bandits.
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 05:57:55 pm
And all the newbie supplies will stop rolling in at cumulative level 100.
And yes I'd intended to bring you along as the mage Majikero, although yeah trans first probably. Another bonus of DK is that it gets the ability to tame animals for MP rather then needing a taming stick and bait and such. :P
Not a huge bonus but it is there.
Post by: majikero on August 03, 2012, 09:18:48 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 03, 2012, 09:19:30 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 03, 2012, 09:26:30 pm
Wow. Fireball is ridiculous. Just tried it out in a RP dungeon.. and... wow.. almost makes me want to roll a mage. It oneshotted everyone.
What level are most people when they finish G1? Curious, so I can see how close I am currently.
Don't be seduced by the RP dungeon's fireball >.> You need to charge it five times for a total prep time of about 20 seconds to use it, which is ridiculously long. Chances are by then all the monsters are already dead, or you're dead.
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 09:27:35 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 03, 2012, 09:31:02 pm
It's still good for pre-chest opening preperation, but yeah, not worth changing to a build you don't like otherwise for.
*charges*
*opens chest*
*ten city rats*
o_o
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 09:34:14 pm
Post by: majikero on August 03, 2012, 09:34:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 09:35:10 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 03, 2012, 10:22:55 pm
That's cool. >_>
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 10:31:35 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 03, 2012, 10:48:04 pm
Hey, it's okay, the emergency maintenance has been extended by an hour, so there's one right there. :P
Oh, well that's-- not exactly reassuring...
Still, it gives me time to settle down and study the wiki. :P
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2012, 10:51:39 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 03, 2012, 11:04:17 pm
Annnnd server's back up 30 minutes ahead of schedule.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, not that it matters.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 03, 2012, 11:44:41 pm
EDIT: Oh, the irony. Apparently I ran out of space on my C Drive, which disabled Mabinogi from running... which prompted the runtime process to reinstall Mabinogi...
Goodbye, assorted desktop programs! Logging in... :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 04, 2012, 12:22:15 am
It was quite the twist ending though.
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 01:04:03 am
...Say, just to make sure there isn't something terribly wrong with my desktop, is this patch suppose to require re-downloading the Mabinogi setup file (setup114)?
EDIT: Oh, the irony. Apparently I ran out of space on my C Drive, which disabled Mabinogi from running... which prompted the runtime process to reinstall Mabinogi...
Goodbye, assorted desktop programs! Logging in... :P
Oh, yeah. It's one of those wierd bugs. It also just happens randomly some times, you just have to wait it out.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 04, 2012, 02:01:04 am
And I completely forgot to transform!
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 02:48:18 am
EDIT: Looks like slightly more stable damage and higher min. So kinda. They also detect faster, but do not detect from as far away, and.. actually have more HP? Huh.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 04, 2012, 04:06:48 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 04:26:23 am
Post by: Sonlirain on August 04, 2012, 05:36:30 pm
What's the general consensus about Fomor weapons?
The things they sell seem somewhat solid even if they can't be upgraded.
Do Pickaxe upgrades do something? I upgraded my pickaxe durability balance and critical strike rate. Does it have any effect on mining ore nodes?
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 06:07:48 pm
Fomor weapons are excellent early game weapons, but when you start amassing a pile of stones you can probably outdo them with a normal weapon. Although special upgrades can also break the weapon their upgrading, soooooo you may keep a fomor weapon on hand.
And while pickaxes can be upgraded for combat if you want (that's what you did, none of them effect mining in any way), they often have a seperate upgrade tree that upgrade their tool use. In this case Sion upgrades them in that sense. Endelyon upgrades the sickle in that sense, etc. Some tools can't be upgraded in that sense.
In most cases, I'd just check the wiki. It'll tell you the NPC, and all possible upgrades for that tool/weapon.
Post by: Carcanken on August 04, 2012, 06:13:15 pm
Commerce just hasnt worked for me, I get 2k in a normal run, and thats just not enough, regarding the risk and time.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 04, 2012, 06:21:47 pm
On pickaxes: Go for the durability upgrade first, then mining speed, then the Silver Ore Rate - trust me here. Silver ingots are what you're going to be after the most. If you're blacksmithing, you'll want silver. If you're offering to guild-mates, they'll love silver.
ALSO! Guild upgrades, we have room for 20 more people, and I'm going to take a squat on Cobh and poop out a guild stone. Touch it often, it helps. (Trust me.)
Post by: Patchy on August 04, 2012, 06:43:35 pm
And don't forget the silly amounts of xp commerce gives. I was making it level 60 to 80 easily in the 3 weeks needed for the freebie rb. Thats some nice ap per rebirth.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 04, 2012, 06:57:52 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on August 04, 2012, 07:10:23 pm
The Wagon is GREAT at hauling light items. baby potions Cough potions Seaweed Clams Whatever.
The elephant however is far better at hauling loads of heavier items like marble or lead.
Anyway my current route is
Seaweed from Cobh -> Bangor
Marble from bangor -> Cobh
Usually around 4k gold per wagon.
Also clams from Cobh often sell very good in Tara but from my experience trying to haul anything above T1 good from Tara to just about anywhere else is a fools errand bandits keep spawning on top of you and one i even got into an ambush of 7 (SEVEN) trained bandits just after i passed the gates.
Guild stone is up on Cobh. Head from Dunbarton to Cobh, and make an immediate left. It's right by the house on the hill. Everyone touch the stone! TOUCH IT!
Aye touching for the effect over.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 04, 2012, 07:23:29 pm
Also, commerce question: when you guys go to, let's say, Tara to Tir Chonaill through Tailteann, do you stop to sell the Tara goods in Tailteann for a small amount and pick up new goods there for another small cash-in at Tir Chonaill, or do you go all the way to Tir Chonaill for the biggest profit?
Post by: Skyrunner on August 04, 2012, 07:29:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 07:41:47 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2012, 09:07:24 pm
Instructions are included. Ask questions if you need to. I'm not a commerce guy so I can't answer them. Just sayin.
This is also a work in progress and may be updated over time, soooo yes.
Post by: Aoi on August 04, 2012, 10:15:13 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 05, 2012, 01:38:40 am
Man, this totally sucks. I haven't gotten a single piece in the 4 spider-part dungeons I ran. I think Alex got a leg, though.
Post by: Seriyu on August 05, 2012, 01:01:48 pm
Post by: Carcanken on August 05, 2012, 01:11:50 pm
:'(
Post by: Koja on August 05, 2012, 01:58:32 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 05, 2012, 02:51:50 pm
Archers are so annoying.. they can wound me for half of my health in one shot.
:'(
Look into charge, if you have a shield, and evasion if not. Evasion is a little harder to use correctly, but probably better if you can get it to work for you.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 05, 2012, 05:16:57 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 05, 2012, 06:52:38 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 05, 2012, 11:07:16 pm
Spoiler: I tell you, Edern makes the worst color armor (click to show/hide)
e: On a side note, in the closing ad thing that appears when you shut the game down, there's a Call to Arms in Arad thing that gives you NX if you start playing Dungeon Fighter (with some conditions that I forgot).
And here I was, playing Dungeon Fighter before Mabinogi! Getting my character up to level 50 and everything! If only it had been in the opposite order...
Post by: dei on August 06, 2012, 01:49:04 am
Also, for the time being her life skills of choice are Herbalism, Potion-Making and Metallurgy, which I should probably have her work on a bit more than she is right now. She often ends up with a lot of Sunlight Herbs and Bloody Herbs so you might be able to call on her for potions that restore stamina or health on occasion. Finally, a special thanks to Ibid for buying that ten centimeter garnet from Juni. It's very helpful to have someone buy her loot every now and then.
I'm going to bed now. I'll be entertaining a friend tomorrow so there is no guarantee Juni will be of any use to anyone for most of tomorrow afternoon. It's just as well, she and I could use a break every now and then, especially with how I end up getting so exhausted dealing with my personal issues. Have fun and stuff.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 06, 2012, 04:40:41 am
Also, Potionmaking has become D, and Herbalism B, so that's slowly going on its way towards a higher level. The only problem would be the AP. Herbalism and Composing both need 5 AP a rank Dx
Anyhow, it's going pretty good, but there's not enough time ...
Post by: Girlinhat on August 06, 2012, 10:52:32 am
Despite my love of life skills, I'm going to devote some time into raising my attack power, namely Bow Mastery and Ranged Attack, but also some Magnum Shot in there as well. With such high ranked Crash Shot - specifically on a milestone rank, where fragments do 200% attack, which is the same as a regular attack because elves shoot twice, and a cooldown reduction - I should be working to min-max my crash shot so that I can clear rooms and do rafting more easily. Once I can get myself to taking down hobgoblins without the aid of ranger destiny, then we'll be able to farm exploration levels like mad.
Post by: Seriyu on August 06, 2012, 11:28:28 pm
So, Myself, Bijuni(Dei on forums), Seikyu(alexwazer on forums), and Direzie(SirAaronIII on forums), dove into peaca today to see if it's just as bad as it looked. We made it precisely as far as Seikyu thought we would.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_07_001.jpg)
Cloakers! You need melee to do any damage to them, magic does 1, ranged does 1. With my normally 900 or so damage smashes this couldn't be an issue, riiiighhhtttt?
Nope. We died in that room.
That is the extent of our magical journey into Peaca. DON'T GO INTO PEACA WITHOUT 8 PEOPLE OR FOUR REALLY DECKED OUT PEOPLE. DON'T DO IT. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. THIS WAS PEACA BASIC, WHICH IS THE EASIEST PEACA. AND WE DIED IN THE FIRST ROOM. IT WAS AN EVEN MATCH IN NUMBERS (because bijuni was outside the room buffing us) AND WE STILL LOST. DEFENDING A LIGHTNING BOLT TOOK LIKE 5/6ths OF MY HP.
GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 06, 2012, 11:29:54 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 07, 2012, 12:07:02 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2012, 12:14:19 am
Or Math Advanced. One of the two.
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2012, 12:15:19 am
But yeah it was lowered to about high 300 low 400. :P
Post by: Patchy on August 07, 2012, 01:22:16 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2012, 10:48:50 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 07, 2012, 11:14:45 am
Post by: dei on August 07, 2012, 11:41:12 am
So, Myself, Bijuni(Dei on forums), Seikyu(alexwazer on forums), and Direzie(SirAaronIII on forums), dove into peaca today to see if it's just as bad as it looked. We made it precisely as far as Seikyu thought we would.I was smart :3
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_07_001.jpg)
Cloakers! You need melee to do any damage to them, magic does 1, ranged does 1. With my normally 900 or so damage smashes this couldn't be an issue, riiiighhhtttt?
Nope. We died in that room.
That is the extent of our magical journey into Peaca. DON'T GO INTO PEACA WITHOUT 8 PEOPLE OR FOUR REALLY DECKED OUT PEOPLE. DON'T DO IT. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. THIS WAS PEACA BASIC, WHICH IS THE EASIEST PEACA. AND WE DIED IN THE FIRST ROOM. IT WAS AN EVEN MATCH IN NUMBERS (because bijuni was outside the room buffing us) AND WE STILL LOST. DEFENDING A LIGHTNING BOLT TOOK LIKE 5/6ths OF MY HP.
GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can trade books under any circumstance. If that is the case then you'll have to get that book yourself Skyrunner. If it's not the case in the case of that book then good luck to whoever is going to find it. I won't be able to, as right now I'm nursing a blood sugar spike.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2012, 11:52:07 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2012, 12:29:19 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 07, 2012, 09:53:09 pm
Ibid and I are planning to collect the various piece of the pot-belly spider statue and enter it on Saturday :3 Due to my timeframe, the entering would be around 9AM ~ 12PM Seoul time, or 7 PM~10 PM Eastern time. Unfortunately I'm way too weak to be of much help in there—especially since I just lost my Aspiring Warrior title and its huge boost to STR—so I need our guild's help.
What's in it for me? :s Well, there's the fun of (hopefully) curbstomping a dungeon. And with a low chance, the Knight Lance, the Diamond enchantment, and Exploration Journal p3 can be obtained. The last one is dropped from the boss only. Low chance, I think.
What's the dungeon like? It has many reinforced monsters, which have more HP and protection and defense compared to their non-titled counterparts. There also are Skeleton Ghosts of Maize dungeon fame, and Golden Mask Ghosts which are very sturdy.
Disclaimer: If things don't turn out, and I can't collect the statue by Saturday, there's a small chance of this not happening. :S
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2012, 10:47:58 pm
Karu is somewhat unique as far as dungeons go. You give an item to the altar, which is actually a form on NPC and not simply a tile on the floor, but that hardly matters. You enter the regular dungeon inhabited by stone zombies and pot belly spiders - stone zombies resemble golems, and pot belly spiders look like a collection of kitchenware turned into a golem ("pot" belly isn't just a catchy name). When you kill the zombie/spider during the dungeon, they drop body parts. Pincers, fangs, venom-sack, pot, and something else I think there's 5 parts. When you collect a regular piece, then you re-enter the dungeon using that as the sacrificed item. This brings you to "Karu fangs ruins" or whatever body part. The boss of this run will have glowing fangs (or whatever) and it will drop a glowing body part. Then you go BACK into the dungeon, using pincers, and you collect glowing pincers from the boss. When you finally have all 5 glowing bits, you trade them in for a full glowing statue.
The full glowing dungeon is a fresh sort of hell. The original boss, the Stone Horse Keeper, becomes a miniboss, and the final boss has like 6 stone horse keepers as extra mobs! Instead of spiders, you're dealing with zombie ghosts - that's right, zombies so badass that they've died again and become un-un-dead zombie ghosts. And then the infamous, terrifying, Golden Mask Ghosts. Like something from an eldritch horror, they occupy a golden mask the size of a human's face, with a flourishing aura of vaporous power flowing out behind it. They are mostly immune to all attack, with natural shield, heavy stander, and mana deflector of fairly high rank, they will totally ignore your attacks and proceed to fuck up your day all over the dungeon floor. The only realistic way of combating them is to have archers spam magnum shot and/or firebolt to keep the damn things at a distance. Perhaps the most terrifying thing (to me) is that they are non-aggro until attacked. They will patiently circle you softly, watching, waiting, observing. Calmer than the grave and more patient than the madness that seeps into your bones, they softly wait until you crack, until YOU become the unwilling instigator of your own demise.
The Golden Mask Ghosts also have a very powerful trick. In some rooms, they "rest", becoming intangible for a period of time and returning with their HP almost entirely restored. If you cannot kill them quickly, then they recover. Archers are essential here, as they can deal black wound damage, which will NOT recover. Although even archers fail at the titled ghosts. These have extra protection, which results in a lower wound rate, making their only weakness into a pitiful attempt. The only real way to combat these titled ghosts is simply to have the entire party swarm on them and do as much DPS as fast as possible.
Rewards are nice though. VERY nice. In two successful runs we performed, we were gifted with 1 copy of the Exploration Page 3, used to unlock Ice Spear, a Dragon Fang sword (two handed mega-blade, one-handed for giants), Red/Blue upgrade stones, and some very powerful enchant scrolls that we couldn't really utilize. And gold. Piles and piles of pure gold coin.
So are you interested? Yes.
If you cannot contribute, you can contribute. The rooms contain many multi-aggro mobs and sometimes require instant-contact massive DPS to win. You can contribute by coming into the room, gaining aggro from monsters, and then playing dead. This means that the monster or two are suddenly not a threat to the real fighters, and they can focus on immediate concerns and then deal with your aggro. The resting rooms can also benefit if the non-contributing teammates do multi-casting of firebolt, smash, magnum, or windmill, in order to deal as much damage as quickly as possible from the whole party on a single target.
Plus, more members doesn't hurt. At the worst case, you can sit outside the current room and leech exp. It will not hurt the party's fighting at all, you get free exp, there's another chest at the end with potentially amazing rewards, and in the worst case, you can come in with a phoenix feather, revive someone, and immediately play dead. Party Healing and all bard buffs will also work through walls, but we'll only need ONE dedicated bard. No overplaying please.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 08, 2012, 12:39:46 am
Spoiler: Skills (click to show/hide)
Having lots of people is useful in many situations. For example, when push comes to pull Windmill used to be (and still is, sorta, but not as much as before because it isn't an invincible skill) the go-to skill. Peaca was done mostly by standing in a corner and windmilling all the ghosts to death by sheer numbers. Also, if you have HP to be killed in at least two hits or more, you can pull aggro off other people long enough to give them a brief respite and let them finish off whatever they were doing.
Girlin, are you going to be there? I think you would be quite helpful, as you are at least semi-proficient with the ranged attacks from what I've seen.
I think Seiryu is going too.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 08, 2012, 12:43:04 am
Also I can come. Gotta snag the page for myself, though I know at least one other person (Girlinhat) also needs it. This should be fun.
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2012, 01:23:55 am
And yes I'll probably go. It's a party whynot.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 08, 2012, 05:02:35 am
The path to obtain glowing parts is very grindy. I would appreciate it if you all pitch in to help collect them >_<
What you need to do is first enter Karu normal with any item, and clear the first floor. Dubious Pot-belly Spiders drop portions of their body. You must exit and enter again, this time with that body portion. Clear the dungeon. The boss has a chance of dropping a glowing body part. Send them to me :3
Currently after four runs and four hours or so, I only have one, Glowing Pincer. I don't have Fang, Venom Sac, Leg, and Pot. Which means I pretty much don't have much.
One run per person per day will help tons. The dungeon itself is pretty easy except for the 2:1 archers. Going with two people makes it a breeze. Only one glowing part per part is needed.
Post by: alexwazer on August 08, 2012, 05:17:39 am
Also, since the changes to combat, gold mask ghosts are quite as bad as they were. I went in some time ago and could handle them without too much issues. Only problem was the ones with the unknown titles in rest room.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 08, 2012, 06:44:33 am
Later today (August 8th) I would like to hold a series of dedicated guild commerce runs. The plan is to bring along anyone with a wagon for a good hour or two of high-profit business ventures between Emain Macha, Bangor, Tailltean and Tara. During this time we will alternate between caravan leaders, who will blaze the trail a cart or two ahead of everyone else while carrying low value (Level 1 or 2) goods. This will ensure that when we do encounter bandits, they're not of the brutal, face-murdering variety. Players without wagons are welcome to join as our mounted escorts, and will also be paid for their service!
Post here or message me in-game if you would like to join! I intend to get the business started around 3 PM PST today!
~~~
In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST! ;D
Please ignore the (my) poorly-written invitations, and defer to Nocneah's!
Post by: Girlinhat on August 08, 2012, 09:11:08 am
In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST! ;DNo one cares about your fake wedding.
I will be participating in commerce and Karu though, if my internet allows. While Skyrunner will try to claim the title of "worst internet in the guild" mine is actually non-existent right now. It will disconnect randomly and boot me off of everything, but it will instantly reconnect most times. It'll be off just long enough to make every MMO think I'm dead. I would rather have a 2 second lag, as that's at least consistent and connected.
It seems to be clearing up a bit though, so I may be able to manage some things.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 08, 2012, 09:21:30 am
Attacking with a 2 hit weapon is likewise perilous. N+1 is pretty much done for you, and often in between hits 1 and 2 the monster strikes you and you fall dead. You can't really heal either, 'cause it takes like a second or a half between clicks for heals.
Though I guess at least in my case I can do something that isn't combat. Kinda. Though there's only grinding...
About the internet disconnecting, do you use a splitter? There's a small chance the problem's there, like in my case a month ago.
Post by: Carcanken on August 08, 2012, 11:04:17 am
Hello folks!
Later today (August 8th) I would like to hold a series of dedicated guild commerce runs. The plan is to bring along anyone with a wagon for a good hour or two of high-profit business ventures between Emain Macha, Bangor, Tailltean and Tara. During this time we will alternate between caravan leaders, who will blaze the trail a cart or two ahead of everyone else while carrying low value (Level 1 or 2) goods. This will ensure that when we do encounter bandits, they're not of the brutal, face-murdering variety. Players without wagons are welcome to join as our mounted escorts, and will also be paid for their service!
Post here or message me in-game if you would like to join! I intend to get the business started around 3 PM PST today!
~~~
In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST! ;D
Please ignore the (my) poorly-written invitations, and defer to Nocneah's!
Count me in! :D
Post by: dei on August 08, 2012, 11:57:21 am
For once, you and I agree on something. I don't care about the marriage of pixels outside of Harvest Moon and other similar games myself. I also can understand your internet issues, as I have those myself as I have mentioned before. My issues entail my ISP intentionally throttling my speed for no good reason to the point where some areas are an even worse time for me lag-wise than they were two years ago with AT&T DSL.In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST! ;DNo one cares about your fake wedding.
I will be participating in commerce and Karu though, if my internet allows. While Skyrunner will try to claim the title of "worst internet in the guild" mine is actually non-existent right now. It will disconnect randomly and boot me off of everything, but it will instantly reconnect most times. It'll be off just long enough to make every MMO think I'm dead. I would rather have a 2 second lag, as that's at least consistent and connected.
It seems to be clearing up a bit though, so I may be able to manage some things.
There are also random disconnects that occur up to four times a day on average that require I reset the entire network infrastructure for the complex, seeing as the residents of this community housing facility that supposedly teaches the mentally ill and developmentally disabled such as myself independent living skills all share the same network. However, my problems regarding this and the lag seem to be nonexistent for the most part or at the very least minimized between the hours of 11:00 PM to 6:00 AM PST, as well as whenever the servers are not filled to the brim with kiddies, weeaboos, emos, and people I suspect may be Bloods and Crypts - what makes up most of the general Mabinogi player population.
I would like to throw in as well that I am going through what may be my first real case of physical illness this year. I almost never get sick with anything other than a cold though, so I should be fine. I might just have to take it a bit easier than before. That being said I won't be able to join in with the stuff related to Karu on Saturday because of that and also because you already have a bard.
I would like to thank SirAaronIII for that run through Karu yesterday. I hope Juni and myself were useful despite the lag issues at hand on our end.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 08, 2012, 01:07:39 pm
In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST! ;DNo one cares about your fake wedding.
Bah, don't be such a fun-sucker! There's cake in it for you.....
Post by: Patchy on August 08, 2012, 05:40:15 pm
*Clears throat*
Anyways, I might have to dust Dlynn off to join the karu romp. Might be fun afterall, guess I'll have to log in later and work out the kinks and timings of the new combat system for myself. Provided I can tear myself away from my new fort long enough to do so. And I guess the wedding will be a good escuse to get my butt online later tonight.
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2012, 07:46:31 am
Also if you missed it, Karu run later this week. I forget if it's transferred to thursday(today? Or next week?)(Tuesday? The day that increases dungeon drops) or if we're doing it on saturday like originally planned.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 09, 2012, 10:04:45 am
Karu is an annoying dungeon to get into, you have to collect all the glowy bits and everything. And then once you get in there, you're not 100% guaranteed a drop - we're all after the Exploration Page 3, for Ice Spear skill - it drops from the boss somewhat randomly. But Tuesday offers a daily buff of increased dungeon drop rate, so this expensive, vital page is more likely to appear.
Pg 3 is an expensive page. I figure we'll keep running this dungeon until everyone in the guild has it. After that, we'll sell the extra pages and push the profits towards guild funding. Not to mention that there's several other hefty rewards in the chests, which will sell for quite a bit, or otherwise be useful to the guild. The Dragon Fang is a two-handed sword of pretty massive power, and then Red and Blue upgrade stones are always valuable.
Post by: Graknorke on August 09, 2012, 10:33:00 am
I really have no idea what to do.
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2012, 05:31:05 pm
This game, while pretty quest light, also pretty much delivers them to you via owl, so you really don't have to worry about knowing the location of sixteen quest starting NPCs before you get started. Just do quests that seem interesting, and maybe make a note of doing the first two generation quests at least, asap.
Post by: Graknorke on August 09, 2012, 05:47:30 pm
I already started a little of G2 so I guess that's what I'll be working on.
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2012, 06:00:01 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 09, 2012, 07:26:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2012, 09:35:26 pm
Also server going down for maintenance, two hours, then an update on server status.
Post by: Patchy on August 09, 2012, 09:56:15 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2012, 10:09:38 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2012, 12:13:43 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2012, 12:26:03 am
For everyone participating in Karu - set aside free time. It's a rather long haul, enough so that some people may have to take short breaks for bathroom and snacks.
But on the plus side, winemaking is fixed, which means that Marketplace Modification Coupons are on the market again. I picked up a pair for 620,000 total, and am using them to upgrade my Highlander Long Bow. For those unaware, this is a very powerful bow obtained from Peaca Intermediate or from random Ancient drops. Properly upgraded (with the rare coupons) it gives very high attack and/or crit, and gets +200 range after gem upgrades. It's going to provide ridiculous buffs to my stopping power.
And if anyone finds a hefty-sized Jasper, save it for me!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2012, 12:41:52 am
e: 1.19, 2.21, and 3.61 cm. Any of these sizable enough?
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2012, 01:04:24 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 10, 2012, 07:36:32 am
And we viewed a minor hell. The first room had a Dangerous Looking giant spider which wounded Craftery to death, and a regular giant spider. Third room had harmless-looking burgundy spiders. Okay, good. I know they are 2:1 support (one attacks, the other waits then attacks after the first one is dead) so I calmly smash one... except suddenly every single spider in the room has a little "!" above it's head and crawls towards me. Bambambambam and I'm dead! :D
Fourth room, same stuff was repeated. One thing that I have to mention: You can use Revive at the Last Goddess's Statue to revive in a dungeon. Craftery accidentally left, so we gave up.
Does anyone know if the all on one, single exclamation point aggroing is normal? I emphasize that there was one single exclamation point, and all spiders including ones across the room converged on me or Craftey.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2012, 09:16:59 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 10, 2012, 09:40:36 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2012, 09:42:58 am
Post by: Aklyon on August 10, 2012, 01:03:52 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 10, 2012, 01:18:40 pm
Well, this sounds somewhat interesting, but the wiki is broked right now so I have no idea the last few pages are talking about.
Yeah, the main wiki is down until further notice. For now, you can use mabinoger (http://mabinoger.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) instead. It use an outdated database but remain mostly reliable except for the new stuff.
As for alby intermediate and burgundy spiders, yup that's a feature. They can also change target and hit someone trying to come help. You need to kill them as soon as they spawn or you risk being overwhelmed, even at higher level.
Also, if anyone gets a pass for Alby Int for 2 or for 4, please let me know (especially for 4). Patchy (Dlynn in game) and I both need Arrow Revolver pages from the Int for 4 boss and Int for 2/4 mini-boss respectively. If you get a pass but don't want to run it yourself, I would still appreciate it if you could keep it and use it to let other(s) in for the run.
Post by: Seriyu on August 10, 2012, 06:13:31 pm
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_001.jpg)
Lightning sprites! The only notable thing these guys have is lightning bolt. Rush em.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_002.jpg)
Snakes. They have various colors, but only white is in this dungeon. Most of them are harmless as long as you don't try to smash them out of defense, as they can and will fake you out with it.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_003.jpg)
Rats. They're in every dungeon and most of them are literally harmless, doing 1 damage to even a fresh out of the soul stream player. They're in dungeons to represent vermin I guess? And also to give you a breather.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_004.jpg)
It's kind've a shitty picture because of the chaos going on but the big blue things are Gorgons, and they're big cow lookin things with one eye. I think they wanted the name Catoblepas and some wires got crossed somewhere or something. They're enemies with heavy stander that will multiaggro, but so long as you remember about the passive defenses and draw them out/are in a party they're fine.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_005.jpg)
Ahhhh, here's a picture of why Coill's a pain in the junk. Three types of sprite, one for each element. All the same except they use their element of bolt. They all have a very high level of heavy stander. This means it's pretty hard to approach them on short notice and they can and will multiaggro. It's entirely possible even in a three man party to get chainstunned by them. If you're coming to coill, have a solution for the sprites. Perhaps an elementally enchanted weapon specifically for certain elements of sprites if you're one of those fancy VIP people with a ton of inventory space.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_006.jpg)
Yet another horrid horrid picture. It's hard to get pictures in hard dungeons, what can I say. Werewolves! Like gorgons but weaker. That's... pretty much it. They'll windmill sometimes after you knock them back I guess.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_007.jpg)
Green Gremlins. They hit hard and move pretty quick, on top of this they'll try to "wait you out" of counterattack. So use defense to avoid the stamina drain right? Well here's the thing. They have a high crit rate and a ton of damage. So you basically have to use counterattack unless you have a ton of defense ranks. I had one hit me for 120 through defense (rank F with no shield) without a crit. Yeah.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_008.jpg)
Red spiders. White spiders but meaner. You know this, or should.
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Seriyu_Pixel/Mabinogi/mabinogi_2012_08_10_009.jpg)
And one half of the boss. I missed the other half, but luckily it's easy enough to imagine. That is a Giant Headless. Basically a bigger meaner ogre. Not terribly notable unless you take it in context with the other half. GIANT FIRE SPRITE. Giant Fire Sprites have fireball, advanced magic. And if you try to fight it and the headless atthe same time it'll gleefully charge up fireball and nuke you all in short order. Pull the headless out, take care of him, and then bumrush the giant fire sprite like we did.
We wiped like five times, but damnit we beat it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2012, 06:20:28 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 10, 2012, 06:22:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 10, 2012, 06:36:26 pm
Luckily besides it and another dungeon, they're the only one that use that "theme". And most of the other dungeons look pretty fantastic for what they're working with.
Post by: Aklyon on August 10, 2012, 08:13:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 11, 2012, 12:19:16 am
Aw yeah.
Post by: dei on August 11, 2012, 01:24:16 am
I managed to scrape up (or "find in the couch" as Aco says) enough free NX to buy a Laghodessa.Congratulations. I plan on getting a Laghodessa and/or maybe a Monkey on or around the 19th. I want to buy at least one more basic human character card for Juni before doing such a thing, and I'm going to get one of those this Sunday.
Aw yeah.
Also, girlinhat. Thank you for kicking me from Fjallheim. I'm actually a little more relaxed now knowing that I'm free from any unnecessary obligations that come with organizations in games. Sorry for rubbing you the wrong way, I'm kind of not very user-friendly these days with all of the real-life issues I have to deal with.
If any of you ever want to shoot the breeze, let me know as there's no hard feelings between you all and I. I'm still here, still playing. Take it easy, alright? That's what I'm doing.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 11, 2012, 01:49:08 am
It'll probably be later than that but still.
Post by: Seriyu on August 11, 2012, 07:25:56 am
So, the first thing you need to STOP DOING is running away from it. If you keep up the pressure, it can't stomp or windmill, and that's what they use MOST OF THE TIME. They will still occasionally use a normal attack, but by and large this won't one shot you. So yeah, treat them like a caster in a sense. Two, they DO load defense some of the time, but you can't wait for it to load before you do anything, so what you do is tilt the camera down, so it goes above the golem and you can see it's skill bubbles. This helps a ton. Use smash if it defends, and attack with anything if it uses mill or stomp. If it uses a normal attack, you can either try to counter before it gets it off point blank, or mill to beat them to the punch. Note that it loads skills PRETTY LATE in the knockback animation, so be aware.
Of course, barring all this, you can also just bring two people and make it a lot simpler. But for future bugged wizard note quest victims this should help a tad.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 11, 2012, 11:05:23 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 11, 2012, 12:42:06 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 11, 2012, 11:51:10 pm
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 12, 2012, 06:51:14 am
My second question is- Is it easy to get some decent looking armor, gloves and helmets quite early, or will i have to walk around half naked the entire time?
And last but not least, i understand that there aren`t any classes, which i find appealing, but how viable is a bard build?
Post by: Seriyu on August 12, 2012, 07:01:21 am
I honestly like a lot of the equips in this game visually, so I think it's fine. But if you start with something you dislike, there are things called robes which cover your active slots, and provide an alternative. They also have hoods you can bring up and down if you wanna keep your hairstyle or whatever visible. Humans and elves have some nice cheap heavy armor if that's your thing, giants are a bit more restricted in all equip senses. I'd say they're the worst off as far as good looking stuff goes, but don't be afraid to look through the mabinoger wiki, even if they don't have a ton of pictures up.
Bards are viable, but you really can't be a "pure" bard. In a huge party, people can protect you fine, but when a fight breaks out in a small party, you'll probably be expected to defend yourself unless you're rolling with a tiny god. I'd look into a "combat" skillset, and at least learn how it works, again, you don't need to heavily invest into a tree, most of your efficiency will come from just knowing how it works, and maybe periodically boosting a particular skill or two, while you focus on bard as your "main".
I also again feel the need, for whatever reason, to say it's very hard to mess up your character permanantly. Or at all, really. So don't stress out too much over where your AP should go, but if you have any questions, go ahead and ask people, they're friendly folks.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 12, 2012, 07:17:23 am
I already knew that a sole bard wouldn`t be viable, but the fact that messing up your character seems to be quite hard makes it further easier for me.
I will notify you all once i`m set up and know how the game works.
Post by: Seriyu on August 12, 2012, 07:22:44 am
There are definite benefits to paying? But most of them are convenience rather then huge bonuses. Such as inventory space. Inventory space is pretty much the big thing you're paying for, if not, time to inventory tetris. If you're just interested in the combat then you'll prolly be fine with what space you have, though.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 12, 2012, 07:28:25 am
I wonder, will i have to attack with my instrument, or is it possible to quickly switch between weapons? Or is there at least a dual wield option? (If i`m going to play a part-time bard, that`s it.)
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 12, 2012, 09:01:05 am
Attacking with instruments isn't too bad, actually.
Post by: Sonlirain on August 12, 2012, 09:17:16 am
Best thing EVER.
Also if you want to focus on crafting stuff take the merchant destiny.
It's not nearly as good at fighting as a warrior (beat up your face with a weapon) or fighter (smash your face with his fists) but they get exp for harvesting materials and extra exp/rewards from doing daily quests.
Add to it the fact transporting goods between cities is probably the best way of earning money/exp in this game and suddenly mechant starts to look like a solid destiny for everyone.
Oh and as a bonus they get the location of the smuggler each night who will buy wares at a premium and specific wares at extra premium making him probably the biggest cashcow in the game.
As for dual wield.
There are 2 slots for weapons (left hand and right) so you can carry 2 one handed weapons and as a bonus giants cna carry 2 2h weapons or one giant 2h weapon that is exclusive to them (and elves cannot use 2h weapons at all because they're pathetic like that).
You also get 2 "modes" for your weapon slots.
You cna for example put a 1h sword and shield in one slot and a 2h sword in the other and be albe to switch them by using ~.
The other weapon will still be in your "hand" and therefore wont take up place in the backpack.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 12, 2012, 05:11:14 pm
I`m level 16 now and so far it`s been quite funny. Obtained the lulaby, battlefield overture and the enduring melody and use mainly dishcord and counterattack in battles. Cleared the starter dungeon 4 times and nearly another, can`t recall which, but died there.
It`s amazing how easy it is to miss essential skills- Took me till lvl 16 to learn defense, windmill etc. ::)
Anyway, where is the guild stone located? Would love some guild action!
Post by: Aklyon on August 12, 2012, 05:15:24 pm
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 12, 2012, 05:16:33 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 12, 2012, 06:49:34 pm
And note switching weapons like SirAaronIII said is possible but it can get tricky. Sometimes it's just better to stick with the instrument until the situation clears up a bit.
I also just realized I haven't linked how to disable the nagle algorithm in the OP, I need to do that still.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 12, 2012, 07:00:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 12, 2012, 07:09:36 pm
EDIT: And Granorke, you've been added to the guild. Aco's alt has too.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2012, 12:53:56 am
The signs point that tomorrow may be more stable. Likely not, but if possible I'll try and hand off the spider statue so that others can run Karu. That is, if they want to do it without good archer support. I don't think the guild really has a high-level dedicated archer aside from myself.
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 01:11:32 am
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 13, 2012, 06:09:33 am
Also the luck finally smiled on me, and i found a neat leather and vest with a defense value of 2 and an enchantment which increases my critical strike chance by 2 (while lowering my max endurance by 4) and then i saved someone from a black wolf, he thanked me, and the very next wolf i killed dropped like ~1500 gold and earned me the title "the lucky". I still feel like the "aspiring maestro" title is more useful.
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 07:42:00 am
Also lemme know when you've signed up for the guild so I can get you in.
Update later today too!
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2012, 09:29:26 am
For those unaware, luck affects three things, mostly. It directly adds critical hit chance, which in turn increases the damage of critical hits. It gives a higher gold rate drop and increases the chance of having a Lucky or Huge Lucky finish, often hitting the 21,000 gold drop limit. It gives the chance for Lucky and Huge Lucky on gathering materials, like firewood, herbs, ore, etc, and increases the chance of getting a Great Success on tailoring and blacksmithing, which will do a large chunk of completion rate, compared to regular success.
Mainly though, it provides critical chance. Critical rate is capped at 30%, but protection counts double, so a Siren has 30 protection, that nullifies 60% crit, meaning that you need 61% to score a crit at all, and you need 90% to get the critical cap. Field Bosses have 50 protection, and Golden Mask Ghosts with titles have like, 70 protection or something.
The power of critical hits though, is outrageous. It's factored by damage*skill_multiplier*crit_rate = crit_damage. So, if you managed to get 90% critical, to cap out on a siren, and had r1 critical skill, and your weapon does 50 damage (my highlander long bow does), then you'd get 50(weapon)*1.5(crit r1)*1.9(rate) = 142.5 damage - and that's using a regular attack. If I got lucky with r1 Magnum Shot, then that's 5x damage, for 712.5 damage.
I don't have r1 magnum nor r1 critical, nor 90% crit, but you can imagine that with proper skill, a good critical hit can one-shot quite a bit of enemies, even many bosses!
Post by: Aklyon on August 13, 2012, 09:36:06 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 09:43:22 am
A minor overview of transformations! More and more people have been reaching that point of the game, and there are a few things you need to know.
First rule, if you notice it's about 5 AM in game, and you haven't transformed that day? Transform. It'll go to waste otherwise, and it clearly doesn't hurt. If you do this, you will literally never have to eat again. Transformations reset at 6 AM every day in game.
Let's go over the transform skills. First, you rank these up with points earned from levels. You should start by ranking up your "main" skill, where your level points go, to keep levels from going to waste in that regard, and also because it gives you more HP in almost all, if not all regards, and the primary thing for transformations is giving you more breathing room. Transformation time is also increased the younger you are, and the more rebirths you have.
Passive defenses work wierd for transformations. When you transform, the three will randomly "activate". sometimes you'll get no passive defenses, sometimes you'll get all, sometimes you'll only get a couple. The chance for this happening increases with the rank of passive defenses, and also sometimes with the rank of the "main" skill.
Now, the transformations themselves. For humans, Paladin or Dark Knight. Dark knights get a free animal tame skill (you can get it anyway outside of transformation), and their transformation effectively doesn't ave a time limit, once the time limit runs out it constantly drains HP until you reach deadly, forcing you to never be hit ever. If you're REALLY GOOD at the game the HP drain thing could help but eh. Paladins get Defense and Protection raised in their main skill, making their transformation even more of a tank.
Giants get Savage Beast, and the skill they get on transform is giant full swing, which is a linear AoE attack that can only be used if you have a 2 handed blunt weapon or Axe Equipped. It can do some amazing damage, which is nice.
Elves get Falcon Sage (I think?) and the skill they gain on transformation is Magic Missle, which is a stronger ranged magic/arrow attack that allows you to play a brief minigame to pick an element, it's not hugely stronger and it uses a very poorly fleshed out part of mabi so it's kind've... bad. But the skills aren't what you're transforming for anyway.
Now. The passives you get from transforming, IE the real reason you transform.
Paladin - Spirit of Order - Increases Life, Mana, Stamina, defense and protection. Does NOT increase transformation time. It also changes the graphic you use when you transform. At Rank 1, paladins get giant black wings similar to morrighan's, for instance.
Dark Knight - Soul of Chaos - Increases Life, Mana, And Stamina. No Def or Prot, and again Does NOT increase transformation time. Changes graphic in a similar manner.
Falcon Form - Fury of Connous - Increase Life, Stamina, strength, damage, and Passive Defense activation. Changes graphic.
Savage Beast - Daemon of Physis - Increases Dex, Damage, and Balance. Changes graphic.
Dark Knight Exclusive - Control of Darkness - Allows you to tame enemies. This litterally just flips the aggro situation on them so they attack other enemies. Note that controlling Archers, or way too many enemies at one time may cause your client to become unresponsive. You also can't control really strong enemies like dragons.
Elf Exclusive - Elven Magic Missle - A spinner appears and when you stop it, it picks an element. The attack becomes that element, also along with being hiked up and being higher damage then usual. It also ignores enemy protection.
Giant Exclusive - Giant Full Swing - A Linear AoE that does huge damage to everything it hits. Activate the skill then click the Ground near an enemy, or an enemy itself to start. A little meter will appear next to your cursor. CLick when it's as high as possible to get the most damage possible.
Paladin - Power of Order - Raises Strength and Will.
Dark Knight - Body of Chaos - Raises Strength and Balance.
Falcon Form - Armor of Connous - Raises Will and Protection.
Savage Beast - Shield of Physis - Raises Life and Protection.
Paladin - Eye of Order - Raises Dex and Balance.
Dark Knight - Hands of Chaos - Raises Dex and Wound Rate.
Falcon Form - Mind of Connuous - Raises Mana and Intelligence.
Savage Beast - Spell of Physis - Raises Mana, Intelligence and Critical.
Paladin - Sword of Order - Raises Damage and Wound rate.
Dark Knight - Mind of Chaos - Raises Int and Critical.
Falcon Form - Sharpness of Connuous - Raises Dex, Critical, and Balance.
Savage Beast - Life of Physis - Raises Strength, Will, and Stamina.
After this are the passive defenses. Notes on them include the fact that Paladin Passive defenses defend more and activate (as in prevent flinching, not activate on transformation) more often then othe transformations.
Dark Knights get the shit end of the stick on passive defenses and aren't really that good at any of it.
Falcons passive defenses activate more often then everyone's passive defenses, except giants.
And Savage Beasts passive defenses always activate, and help them recover from knockback faster.
So to summarize, for humans, paladins work better defensively, but dark knights get more offensive stats, including intelligence and crit, that the paladin does not. Dark knight is not, despite popular opinion (including my own until just now) strictly better then paladin! Shock and awe.
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 09:44:05 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2012, 09:51:41 am
Pay attention to how many players are using the "in Wonderland" title. It gives +20 luck, and it was available from an event rebirth card.
Mages would also like critical rates, because intermediate magic also ignores protection, and getting a critical hit on ice spear is hilarious overkill.
NINJA: Dark Knight can be prolonged at great expense. Party members casting heal, or megapotions (probably the event variety of "HP 500") can keep you going a bit longer. HP drain is 10 per second during "disarm" stage.
The elven transformation is... "falcon" I believe. You go from Falcon Sage to Falcon Justice and a few other titles that I can't remember. "Falcon Form" is what it's usually called though, because "Sage" is only during one bit of the skill growth.
And what transformations really do, is provide amazing stat increase. As a falcon I can peg anything with arrows and leave them reeling. Even using regular arrows with a non-upgraded shortbow, falcon trans adds so much dex that anything goes down. And it gives me some 600 MP, so intermediate magic becomes a gattling gun of thunder. Not to mention, I often use trans to regen stamina while I'm spam-crafting :P
Post by: Skyrunner on August 13, 2012, 09:57:14 am
Mabinogi is quite unique in that levels are less important than skills in all ways, because skills give permanent bonuses to stats while levels give transitional ones. This guide is intended to inform the player of which skills to hunt down and grind for every last drop of whatever stat they want. Some skills are more efficient in stat-to-AP-ratio than others, and life skills are generally grindy, so keep that in mind.
For a handy Google Docs interactive chart, click here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak1URfuRU8_mdFBheTJRM0VzSnZFSml2VDI3UDdkVEE). The little arrows at the top can be used to sort alphabetically, by type, by AP consumption, by stat, or by efficiency. Input STR or LUCK or WILL or DEX or HP or MP or STA in the green field to change to AP-per-stat calculations. You can also sort by efficiency ratio. Please note that life skills are treasure lodes of DEX, but they also require tons of grinding.
Strength
Ah, Strength, the most needed stat for Combat Bards, Fighters, Warriors, and basically anyone who isn't strong enough to kill everything without being hit once. It affects all melee, non-ranged damage.
Strength-giving skills are Final Hit, Carpentry, Combat Mastery, Stomp, Windmill, Taunt, Dischord, Lance Charge, Blunt Mastery, Lance Mastery, Assault Slash, Charge, Throw Attack, Chain Mastery, Ranged Combat Mastery, Arrow Revolver, Fireball, Smash, Blaze, Fishing, and Rest, in order of amount of STR given. Refer to the Google Doc for specific stats. For 4845 AP you can get 402 STR, which is a roughly 10 to 1 ratio.
Luck has only two skills that give it, Harvest Song and Gold Strike, with 22 and 20 each. For a total of 490 AP you can get 42 of that precious luck, again roughly 10:1.
Will increases your chance of being knocked deadly instead of dying after a hit that should have killed you, especially when you're in the deadly state. It also increases your knockdown and stun recovery speeds. It's not an important stat, though, except it also raises your Crit rate.
Will-giving skills are Windmill, Critical Hit, Chain Mastery, Thunder, Wind Breaker (giant only), Lance Charge, Throw Attack (giant only), Axe Mastery, Mount, Crossbow Mastery, Knuckle Mastery, Screw Upper, Somersault, Dropkick, Fishing, Final Hit, Charging Fist, Dash Punch, Fire Magic Shield, Hailstorm, Ice Magic Shield, Lightning Magic Shield, Natural Magic Shield and Smash. For 5393 AP you can get 461 Will. That's 11.6 to 1.
Dex is an essential stat for all archers and production characters, and is a useful stat for warriors too. It increases Ranged damage, Balance, and production success rate, except for a few skills like Potion Making which are unaffected by Dex.
Dex-giving skills are Ranged Combat Mastery, Weaving, Final Shot, Refining, Crash Shot, Arrow Revoler, Handicraft, Playing Instrument, Tailoring, Mirage Missile, Blacksmith, First Aid, Support Shot, Bow Mastery, Luring Ballad, Sword MAstery, Magnum Shot, Production Mastery, Counter Attack, Enchant, Backstep, Herbalism, Lance Counter, Metallurgy, Combat Mastery, Metal Conversion, Cooking, Potion Making, Evasion and Fishing. 4942 AP brings you 631 Dex, for a ratio of 7.8:1, most likely skewed by the cheap grindy Life skills.
Intelligence is a coveted stat for mages, and it's also given by the boatload by Musical skills. Int makes less difference per point than Str or Dex for mages, thus why it's given so freely. Int-giving skills are Musical Knowledge, Composing, Fireball, Firebolt, Ice Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Party Healing, Potion Making, Hailstorm, Blaze, Bolt Composer, Ice Spear, Blacksmith, Herbalism, March, Fire/Ice/Lightning Mastery, MAgic MAstery, Enchant, Mirage Missile, Cooking, Magic Shield. 4519 AP for 861 Int. 5.2:1 ratio.
All in all, if you play Mabinogi long enough to do all the grinding, leveling, and ranking in it as of now, and cough up enough money to pay for frequent rebirths while spending all of your time playing games instead of having a life, you will have the final bonuses from skills as follows:
20987 AP used.
402 STR
42 LUCK
461 WILL
631 DEX
861 INT
429 HP
717 MP
743 Stamina
Quite impressive a resumé, but the 20987 AP, also known to be roughly 20000 levels, is rather daunting. However, a lot of it is from Alchemy skills. Most alchemy skills give no stats at all, or give only Stamina. Additionally, some 500 of those AP is probably from the duplicate ",elf" skills I had, because elfs cost more in magic and ranged.
Meanwhile, you will have +12% Crit from Luck and +46% from Will. Your max damage would be roughly 250 without weapons.
Seeing a screenshot by a person with 200+ all around, and 300 in STR, he has 125% Crit rate (helped by a 46% crit rate sword), 107~246; seems that that's a setting to go for Alby Advanced 3 person with little trouble, just gliding through critting left right and center. >.>
Seeing maximized gamers always makes me both be slightly awed and also makes me feel like they might have wasted quite a lot of time doing that. xD I wonder if anyone in Mabinogi has done all of the skills. I do know one person who finished all Magic skills that came out before G9, and another who was cumulative level 5000+, so there just might be. I'd think I'd be bored long before then, though.
Drinking an HP elixir can keep up DK for the duration of it.
PS: Offence is always better than defense in Mabinogi :3 Monsters deal much much more damage than you can handle.
PPS: Luck gives roughly .3 per point, and Will .1 per point. I mean critical rate, by the way.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2012, 11:06:55 am
Also, the Giant's Throwing Attack uses str, not dex, so giants have very low desire for dex, and it also means that a giant brawler can deliver massive damage via javelin. Plus, the jousting prize javelins give +400 attack, that's not a typo.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 13, 2012, 11:30:02 am
Also, I suppose that's why Throw gives Strength rather than Dex. :3
The +400 is just wow :/
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2012, 11:36:33 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 11:42:17 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 13, 2012, 11:43:44 am
Ey, every point counts towards max Smah damage.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 13, 2012, 12:21:12 pm
Post by: Carcanken on August 13, 2012, 04:20:08 pm
Sky's Minmaxing Guide—Actually Max-maxxing, But Who Cares
-snip-
Challenge accepted..
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 13, 2012, 05:13:49 pm
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 13, 2012, 06:09:51 pm
Post by: dei on August 13, 2012, 06:24:59 pm
Ciar normal is already a pain for me. I can easily kill everything, but those goblin archers always get me.The enemies' ranged support units, be it archers or mages, tend to be painful for a lot of players when they try to fight them by themselves. It's a good idea to either have some kind of ranged attack to fall back on yourself, or to team up with other players. I would especially recommending teaming up with other players since Mabinogi is very unfair to those who try to solo a lot of the time.
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2012, 07:50:22 pm
Also I'll getcha in asap.
Post by: dei on August 13, 2012, 07:59:14 pm
Yeah, the sooner you start getting into the idea that you're going to need back up, the better. I mean eventually you will be able to solo this stuff but particularly before you get a nice high rank of windmill/Lightning Bolt/Crash Shot, soloing is gonna be really difficult.Lullaby is also nice for crowd control if you use it on the right opponents, which sadly isn't most of them. I notice though that goblins fall pretty easily even to a low ranked Lullaby. Though unless if you're then going to follow it up with some pretty hasty evisceration of their proletariat, it really works better if you're in a group or at least have a pet that can help you.
Also I'll getcha in asap.
I mentioned the whole goblins bit because the newbie in your group was having problems in Ciar Normal. I noticed on a run I did with you guys there that the goblins fell to my Lullaby pretty quickly while others took them out. It was kind of the same in Karu as well, again with goblins falling asleep to a Lullaby. It's just a thought anyways.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 13, 2012, 10:53:27 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 13, 2012, 11:47:05 pm
Everyone should click locked doors MULTIPLE TIMES. Even if you don't think you have the key. ESPECIALLY if you don't think you have the key.
We keep having incidents where we all run back to the stairs looking for the key and then someone goes "oh wait guys i had it".
:P
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 12:58:19 am
Still good advice.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 14, 2012, 01:20:57 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 04:02:57 am
Still still good advice.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 04:10:56 am
I think I'll still hang around this forums thread though.
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 04:44:58 am
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 14, 2012, 07:40:20 am
Anyway, if one needs my fighting powers or my songs i would be more than happy to join some group action. I`m living in germany and i don`t have time the whole day, so coordinating something might be a bit problematic- But we`ll see.
/Lullaby seems really awesome, and i have tried it a few times already, but one can`t really utilize it without a team.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 10:34:27 am
I shall guide you to the light!
Bard guide. What skills are good, and which aren't.
Mabinogi's recent updated added the Battle Maestro / Battle Bard ability. A number of buff skills were added (Vivace,Lullaby,Dischord,Harvest Song, Enduring Melody, Battlefield Overture, March), and musical instruments don't have the warning that "bare hands would be more effective". Modifying paths ("upgrades") for instruments also have been added, and the Lyre is available.
First, stats. You want Strength for attacking with Dischord. You want lots of combat skills for using Lullaby effectively. Finally, you don't really need Dexterity, because I do not think any of the buff skills are affected by it.
Now, the skills. There are the original bard skills:
Playing Instrument: It gives a small increase in the power of your buff skills. You can either go to the 3 person shadow mission with a ring of Barrier spikes and hit the spikes until your weapon breaks, or you could rank Musical Knowledge along with Playing Instrument and with Compose make a sheet music with "r64" as the entire song, and with the "autoplay" option checked. Either way is similar in upgrade speed. Also, by rank 5 and above, playing songs to your Homestead crops is the best way to rank this skill; you want Silent Song ("r64") to spam attempts until it succeeds. This skill requires 87 AP to rank to 1.
Musical Knowledge: This skill requires books for all levels. Up to a certain rank, you can get the books from regular shops; some you need to open up secret shops, and above 9 you have to do various annoying things like "Drop from Karu Dungeon" or "Collect Corcoule Relics III". Go to the Mabinogi wiki for more information. This skill increases the chance of you playing a marvelous or haunting song, and increasing your buff's effect. You want at least 1 rank in this skill to have the ability to even play marvelous or haunting songs. Easy to rank to at least 8. Only 42 AP needed to rank this all the way to r1.
Compose: This skill is mostly for being able to create longer songs. 76 AP is needed to rank this to 1, and like Musical Knowledge the books are everywhere. Again, easy to rank to 8, then it becomes harder. This skill is not needed at all for bards, but being able to write longer songs is a nice ability to have.
There also is the Luring Ballad skill you get during one of the G...12 missions, I think, that's mostly useless.
The new skills!
Dischord: It looks good, but think twice before committing yourself. Dischord has a very long cool time, and it is functionally equal to Smash, except it also debuffs the enemy by stunning them, lowering their movement speed and dealing "poison" damage. Sounds good, but you need 120 AP to rank it, it only does 500% damage with your very weak instrument, and the poison damage is only half at rank 1, twice. I highly recommend skipping this skill.
Lullaby: Another trap, which could be good in some cases but usually isn't. Why? Let us see: at rank one, you (1) have a 75% chance of putting to sleep monsters that when you press ALT have nothing beside their name—there could be WEAKEST, or WEAK, STRONG, AWFUL, BOSS—for 9 seconds. (2) Deal 300 extra damage upon hit. (3) Can lull to sleep 15 enemies. It sounds good. The catch is that (a) Once fallen asleep, the enemy cannot be lulled again, and (b) sleeping enemies wake after being hit. The verdict? After spending all those precious points, you might be able to make enemies sleep, so your party can go hit them once for 300 extra damage. If you have all 15 asleep (doubtful in that tiny range) your friends might miss a few. This skill is neither here nor there, trash for solo and doubtful usage for party playing. The meager 75% chance of making equal enemies sleep will taper off rapidly for STRONG or AWFUL enemies, which are the ones who are probably going to be wanting for 300 extra damage.
Battlefield Overture: Awesome. At rank one, your allies get 20% increase in all-around melee damage, and 11% extra of that tasty critical rate. Also, if you have a decent Play Instrument rank, and have an instrument that's upgraded for +10 musical buff effects, and finally you get a Haunting performance, you can end up with +40% damage. And that's really great. Overture is useful in all situations. Costs 130 AP to r1.
Enduring Melody: Hrrm... Not bad, but not terrifically good either. This skill increases your friends' Defense (meh) and Protection (capital!); it also increases the restoration rate of mana and stamina. By rank 1, you increase Defense by 11, Protection by 5, and Mana/Stamina by 410%. Again, with Haunted/Play Instrument/upgraded instrument, you can potentially get more Mana/Stamina rate. Consider that Meditation increases mana rate by 450% at rank F, and Rest does Stamina by 150% at F. The extra stamina is useful for quick regen in-combat and between rooms for those stamina blackholes, fighters, and the mana for mages and for gathering pets. On the other hand, the protection and defense will never increase whatever you do to your instrument or other skills, so you would decrease incoming damage by 5% and then 11 (value, not percent) more. This is all good, BUT you cannot use two or more buffs at one time. Therefore, you have to pick between Overture and Melody, and in Mabinogi offense is defense. So ... it's your pick, but I think it is worth at least a 9.
I think I said this, but I'll note it again: useful when your party is resting! That's the chief usage I've put this to, to restore Stamina of my drained party members quickly.
Vivace: Trash. Utter trash. By rank 1, you get a 11% speed increase for magic and alchemy, and attack speed. But the thing is, 11% is nothing at all. Take Icebolt, the skill everyone and their dog (literally) seems to know. At rank 9, it has a charge speed of .5 seconds. With the 11% Vivace buff, it becomes .... 0.45 seconds. That much of a difference has no effect, thanks to human reaction time and server latency. Even for the longest skill charging time in Mabinogi, Fireball*5, which is 20 seconds: 18 seconds is pretty much identical to 20 seconds in that case. Lightning Bolt, with 1.0 second prep time, becomes 0.9 seconds. All-around unnoticeable to human eyes. With upgrades to the max, maybe you could get 18% decrease, which still isn't noticeable. Don't raise this skill unless they change the speed increase amount.
Harvest Song: Another tricky one. At rank 1, you
- have the effect last for 120 seconds
- increase success rate of both you and your party members by 5%
- decrease time needed by 25%
- decrease time needed by an additional 3% per party member that is being buffed
- have an additional time decrease cap of 10%.
It also gives luck, that lovable stat which gives you critical. With Raincasting, party members, and this skill, a 99% success rate on certain items is perfectly possible. Still, don't raise this skill until you have lots of AP to burn.
March: Another "meh" skill. By r1, you get 12% faster movement for players, and 9% faster movement for mounts. This buff only applies to the pack and the handcart for Trading. 155 AP needed. With items set to max out this, you could get 18% faster movement speed. Not bad, not great. Same as Harvest Song, invest in this if you have no better place to use your AP.
Aaaaand that's it.
TL;DR?
— DO NOT rank Vivace EVER. Utter trash. Trash trash trash trash trash. No, even then.
— Dischord and Lullaby aren't recommended.
— Battlefield Overture is awesome.
— Enduring Melody is useful.
— Harvest Song and March are somewhere between useless and useful; pick as you choose.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 14, 2012, 11:08:26 am
(Dischcord also deals some small AOE damage, which is handy!)
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 11:50:13 am
Dischord does look pretty, and sounds nice too, but ain't worth it Dx Sadly.
The AOE is neat for sweeping rooms full of rats easier... though this is again superseded by Windmill. I suggest Smash instead of Dischord.
Post by: Aklyon on August 14, 2012, 12:18:57 pm
Anyone mind helping me with G1? I got to the part with the brown fomor pass in barri dungeon and rather quickly was punched out by a flying sword. Got the pass back now.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 14, 2012, 12:49:04 pm
Vivance gives an increase to attack speed - that is, how quickly you swing your weapon - and that can matter a great deal when used right. Specifically, something like a human with dark knight transformation and final hit with dual upgraded daggers/broadsword, this can turn a fast series of hits into a devastating barrage, especially for anything that has Heavy Stander at level 1 or 0 - with dual daggers and final hit, Heavy Stander 1 doesn't matter, because the attacks are so fast. If going for pure crit pwn, which you are with dual daggers, then Vivance would let you get in a lot more criticals.
Lullaby is... odd. On paper it looks nice, but the after thinking it sounds bad, but then in game it's actually pretty great. It has a large enough affect to cover a whole dungeon room, and as far as I can tell, the extra damage is unmitigated, so it works well against enemies with heavy armor or protection. It sounds like it's lame, but when used it actually does a lot of good, as it can disperse aggro in unusual ways and break up the cycle in the player's favor. I can particularly think of a mage loving it, because chaincasting firebolt can deal massive damage to one enemy under lullaby, or chaincasted lightning bolt can deal the lullaby extra damage to several enemies at once. Plus, 9 seconds is a very long time. If absolutely nothing else, then that's breathing room.
Harvest Song is fantastic for one simple reason. Crafting can be a bitch. Especially for certain items, you really want to max out your chances, no matter how you're doing it. Raincasting with a party on monday, WITH harvest song, would be very helpful. Anything worth crafting will be using rare materials, like finest leather straps, silver ingots, finest firewood, radiant string (only dropped from Advanced Hard Mode dungeons), or things like frost silk and Romeo and Juliet Script (Rosemary Gloves, possibly the rarest item that can be produced). When your materials cost a small fortune to obtain, then any little buff is worth it, especially if it takes your chances from 30% to 38%, that will help quite a bit.
March? Yeah, I'll agree. 12% movement speed is... sort of nice I guess? But you can't play it while marching, so the effect is a little lost since you have to stop and keep re-playing. Not to mention that parties are always mixed with humans, elves, and giants, and that speed difference is just going to muddle things further. Not really worth dealing with.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 01:08:34 pm
First off, the basic assumption is that while all skills have niche uses, I am saying they are not worth it in most situations.
Vivace's 11% cannot be felt at all whatever it seems like on paper. Say, a swing of a knife takes 0.3 seconds. Taking 11% on that makes it 0.27 seconds. Even with Final Hit, is that 0.03 second quicker swing going to be registered by the server? Also, in this case you'd attack ten times for one more hit fit in. Again, is it worth spending 160 or so AP for a single extra hit out of ten, and whose hits are already assured because of Final Hit? I'm sure with decent Final Hit, whoever you choose to attack will be dead either way, with infinite stun and constant dps. I feel like Mabinogi isn't one of those games where every .1 second counts for whatever o.O I do suppose it could be minorly useful somehow in PVP where each fraction of a second does count.
Lullaby: Remember that even at rank 1, you only get a 75% chance against monsters of your level. Now in stronger dungeons, some monsters just don't come down from that higher stage. No proof, but I think the success chance decreases rapidly with challenge level. 160 AP for a chance to maybe freeze some of your enemies, and a 300 damage bonus that you probably didn't need anyways because they were your level or lower ...
Harvest Song is good. Just not worth it when you're starting out xD I suppose if you're at the level to be spending four hundred AP on a single skill, you could spare the ap for Harvest, but under 250 you really should be putting points in core ability instead of bells and whistles.
And March, we are agreed xD
Short version, in case I didn't articulate well enough:
Vivace is horrid.
Lullaby is overkill.
Harvest Song is good, but not for newbies.
The talk of horrid niche skills reminds me of Natural Magic/Lightning/Ice/Fire Shields, the well-intended useless skills added with Cor ...xD
Post by: Girlinhat on August 14, 2012, 01:19:45 pm
In defense of Vivance: When you're counting hits, then it effectively increases the length of Final Hit by 11%. 10 seconds becomes 11, effectively, because you're getting 11 seconds' worth of hits in only 10 seconds. r1 Final Hit is 40 seconds, and there are many bosses who will survive 40 seconds of final hit strikes, but with Vivance it's effectively 44.4 seconds, while not a massive increase, it is several more hits that would not have been dealt without it.
Although I'll concede on one thing: Vivance's value is outdone by Battlefield Overture. 11% speed compared to 20% damage, well... No matter what way you slice that, Overture is pretty much always twice as good, and it's a skill you get sooner, AND it gives critical rate.
So, yeah, I think Vivance has its niche, but that niche is kind of done better by Overture anyways. It may be useful in rafting, when you want to spam out intermediate magic as quickly as possible.
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 14, 2012, 02:18:23 pm
Ibit practically soloed the boss, though. A bit anticlimatic but quite welcome. ;)
Post by: Aoi on August 14, 2012, 03:25:11 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 03:54:57 pm
Well, that certainly hurt.
Anyone mind helping me with G1? I got to the part with the brown fomor pass in barri dungeon and rather quickly was punched out by a flying sword. Got the pass back now.
I'd be happy to help if you're still lookin for it when I get on later today. Although if you'd like to try again, the trick to flying swords is to rush them, and use N+windmill, if you're a melee guy. So basically attack them, leave out the last hit of the normal combo and replace it with windmill. Windmill has the neat effect of resetting AI, and the beginning of Flying Sword's AI script is Lightning Bolt, so you can just run in again and attack them again before it goes off.
This doesn't work so well against the boss, but they're all casters there too, so you should be playing offensively (remain close to the enemy, be ready to attack them if they cast, because if the actual boss gets off his firebolt you will get one shotted no problem. ), remember that you can use N+Smash (Same thing as N+mill but replace the last hit with smash) to squeeze out some extra damage, which is important. Again, a melee tactic, so if you're a mage you'll naturally be using it less then a warrior.
I say this as someone that, back in the day, played defensively and as such got curb stomped constantly by anything with magic.
Post by: Aklyon on August 14, 2012, 03:57:48 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 04:05:58 pm
With that said, don't be afraid to melee if your early bolts are a little lackluster (because they are, at least on the damage side. Icebolt inparticular, are mostly used to lock down enemies, although the damage isn't horrid if you attack an enemy with all five. Be sure not to fire off the fourth immediately after the third, that'll make the enemy get back up, wait until he gets back up from being knocked down, then toss the fourth.). There's no such thing as a pure anything, a warrior will use bolts to knock ranged enemies out of stuff, a mage will use counter to knock enemies off him (at least), a ranger will... also use counter to knock enemies away, and deal with enemies that manage to get in close.
Now that I've said all that, I remember flying swords have an ability called mana drain that causes them to be fully healed when they're hit with magic (or maybe it was knocked down? I forget.), so probably time to get acquainted with melee. Luckily not many monsters have this ability, but it's a thing to keep in mind.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 14, 2012, 04:26:17 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 14, 2012, 04:35:48 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 04:51:22 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 14, 2012, 06:01:16 pm
I think all people who sell and repair wands can upgrade them. So..
There may be others, but this is already a lot of options. Upgrades always cost the same no matter who you get them from, so it doesn't matter who you go to as long as you have the proficiency. The upgrade path I took with my wand was 4 level 4 Mana Reductions and 1 Chaincasting +4. This is very nifty, but has the unfortunate penalties of no more fusion bolts with it and +10% mana usage on ALL MAGICS. (e: would have been +30% mana use without the other upgrades, chaincasting really is mana heavy) Be careful what you use it with or you'll end up like me: always begging people to make me potions. :P
Spoiler: other thoughts and notes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 07:27:53 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 14, 2012, 07:34:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2012, 07:35:53 pm
I can't speak for bard. :P
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 07:42:01 pm
Archers tend to walk the line between Diffuiult but Passable and Difficult but Awesome. Crash Shot would raise the awesome factor, but is expensive. Human archers w/o Crash Shot or Revolver are pretty much sorta weak, while elf rangers with max Magnum and Ranged are powerhouses of speed running easy dungeons. When all monsters drop in one blow, the elf ranger can just plow through a dungeon at a speed unmatched except for by Ice Spear mages.
Post by: Aklyon on August 14, 2012, 07:43:00 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 14, 2012, 07:47:06 pm
With enough criticals, elf rangers are pretty quick at clearing weaker dungeons. They also fail miserably at the 500+ high protection/defense shadow missions until they get their equipment to max out crit.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 14, 2012, 07:49:31 pm
Oh, and apparently if you're using mana crystalization to turn intermediate magic into alchemy crystals, the wand matters. If your wand gives lower damage, then the resulting crystal will be lower damage as well. Because of this, it's generally best to use as high a damage on wand as possible, or a staff if you can manage it, and rely on potions, Enduring Melody, or transformation to deal with MP.
I don't have the pet, but I'd be curious to see if the Thunder Dapple could be used to form your own magic crystals :P
NINJA: Archers don't suffer that much, especially under the new combat system. Being able to spam magnum means getting massively higher damage potential, and it means wasting less arrows and durability. There's a reason that elves get quivers of 500, and it's because those dual-shots and quicker cooldown will drain through arrows very fast. Being able to use single-shot magnum means fewer arrows shot, and makes it more viable to use hand made arrows.
Post by: majikero on August 14, 2012, 07:49:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 15, 2012, 12:32:10 am
Wait, only a couple people have played DFO and also read this thread.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 15, 2012, 12:38:05 am
Here's Atrata's song, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qlsNMejT1U) here's West Coast. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8c4SmahWQ)
Post by: Aklyon on August 15, 2012, 08:18:11 am
Post by: Lordinquisitor on August 15, 2012, 09:40:04 am
Rebirthed into a merchant and so it`s easier and i get some XP. Will keep those AP until i rebirth again and then i will spend them on improving my most vital skills. For my next rebirth i will either choose a warrior or ranger- Not sure whether my bard will also be supposed to fight on the frontlines or from the back. Archery might be more viable, it would give me some long range power and comboes neatly with my songs, i think, since for them i should be out of harms way in any case. But i already wasted some skill points on counterattack, dischcord and other melee skills and so i wonder whether this would be viable.
Post by: Aklyon on August 15, 2012, 09:44:18 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2012, 04:28:45 pm
Luckily up to common cloth can be bought. Silk can't, which is the issue.
I'd just pick whichever style you like more. We honestly have a lot of melee people, but not a ton of archers. GirlInHat is really our only good one, aside from OzyTheSage, who seems to have vanished. Aoi's gettin up there too, but. Luckily outside of specific circumstances (gold mask ghosts) archers aren't really 100% necessary.
Post by: Graknorke on August 15, 2012, 04:46:50 pm
GirlInHatWooooooooah. How did I never see this before? I mean, it is actually words rather than Girlin being a word and hat being a humourous suffix.
I. Woah. Mind=Blown.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2012, 04:51:04 pm
Post by: Graknorke on August 15, 2012, 04:59:47 pm
ಠ_ಠI apologise for my ignorance. Please forgive me. I place myself at the mercy of your blade.
*knightkneel*
Post by: Aklyon on August 15, 2012, 05:01:20 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2012, 05:02:38 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 15, 2012, 08:01:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2012, 08:16:25 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 15, 2012, 08:48:42 pm
Post by: HailFire on August 16, 2012, 12:17:05 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 16, 2012, 01:23:19 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 16, 2012, 03:06:39 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 16, 2012, 05:04:06 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 17, 2012, 01:26:30 am
You can just make a new account on alexina and get a free instance of each race again.
'Specially since the Mabinogi America's accounts don't need stuff like your SS number, unlike Korea. :3 Very easy.
Post by: majikero on August 17, 2012, 09:50:49 am
There's also the yukata mini, which I always wanted. I knew they're gonna put it in a summer sale someday.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 17, 2012, 11:16:30 am
Highly suggest you get that card if you can, it's pretty awesome title. The clothing is mediocre, I was gonna sell mine but the market will be flooded now :s
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2012, 06:09:28 pm
Or maybe I'll legitimately buy it with real money this time.
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2012, 06:10:26 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
Ancients are monsters that have spawned and managed to live under the enormous hail of player murder for
But why would you want to hunt ancients, you ask? Why is this warranting a guide? Have you gone out of your rocker? Well, ancients have 10x HP, 10 def, 10 prot, the works. The title is displayed as "monster name the ancient". They also give 20x EXP and Gold drops. A huge lucky finish from an ancient monster with almost any amount of gold drop will guarentee a 21k drop almost certainly.
But you may be saying WELL LEVELING ISN'T THAT BIG A DEAL AND GOLD COMES FAST AND EASY WHAT'S UP WITH THIS?!
They also drop very powerful equipment and rare items at a low rate. Gems being the most common, and stuff like thames and highlander claymores and bows being among the rarest.
Drops specifically? Refer to the spoiler below.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Most of those are fairly rare, but the exp and gold on their own is reason enough, believe you me.
So now you're interested and you want to know where to find these mythical beasts, notable areas are pretty much anywhere in iria, but vales inparticular, the little strech of land that leads to ciar dungeon (oddly enough) and generally any place people don't go regularly.
Now, there are some caveats. Namely monsters in dungeons and shadow missions(I think?) will not go ancient. So don't try "ancient farming". That's... honestly it.
More info, do not try to kill an ancient that is ranked boss or awful. Awful is a maybe, boss will almost certainly outlast you. If you have the stamina/mana/HP potions and the know how you might be able to pull it off after forever years. Still not terribly efficient unless you're going for the ancient drop lottery.
So yes. A small guide on ancients and why you should care about them, for those that weren't aware.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2012, 10:24:53 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 17, 2012, 10:34:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2012, 10:39:30 pm
(not really)
(but they're still a ticket in the ancient lottery so whynot)
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2012, 11:44:39 pm
I chose to get up right there because that coyote is goin' down...
then Thames Plate Armor dropped and I was like "HELL EYAH" (I lost the ability to spell in my excitement).
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 18, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 18, 2012, 05:53:36 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 18, 2012, 11:53:59 pm
Also, kiteshield spam. Anyone want a kite shield? Just pop on and ask, we have waaay too many.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 19, 2012, 12:51:38 am
If you have high magnum and shoot straight in front of a monster, you will probably hit it most of the time.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 19, 2012, 01:10:41 am
Also we found a couple more kite shields I think there are more kiteshields than people online
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2012, 02:26:48 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 19, 2012, 02:47:48 am
Quick note on aiming speed and range: the higher the max range, the faster you aim when the target is closer to you. Also, certain bows aim quicker than other ones. So a "shotgun" crossbow, with almost no range but maximized damage/crit, aims slower than a short bow at the same distance. Short bows aim quicker than long bows within their short range, and crossbows and composites are pretty good all around. Longbows are cheap and have the best range, and are often used for drawing out one monster at a time.
Post by: Aoi on August 19, 2012, 12:48:25 pm
Quick note on aiming speed and range: the higher the max range, the faster you aim when the target is closer to you. Also, certain bows aim quicker than other ones. ... Short bows aim quicker than long bows within their short range, and crossbows and composites are pretty good all around.
Is that the practical effect of the 'fast' attack speed given to them, or is that more related to the "cooldown" between basic attacks?
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2012, 01:23:52 pm
As far as ranged weapon ranges go, it's pretty much in order of bolt spells, bolt spell with wand, shortbow, upgraded elven shortbow, longbow (just a bit longer than the upgraded shortbow), upgraded longbow (elven long bow and highlander long bow both get range upgrades), wing bow with upgrades, and ego wing bow.
The range of an ego bow increases as the level of the ego increases, and a wing bow already has pretty far range, so an ego wind bow can hit enemies that may be outside the minimum drawing distance sometimes. An elf with r1 Ranged Attack gets a significant buff to aiming speed, along with Final Shot when it can be used, resulting in the Ego Wing Bow basically letting you set auto-attack and keep anything except natural shield foes at max range.
I personally prefer upgraded elven short bows. They're quick, high wound, higher crit than longbows, and have almost the same range as a longbow. Plus they're 1x3 instead of 1x4 for longbows, much less the 2x3 for crossbows, so it's much easier to carry spares. Although with the change in combat, longbows have a significant advantage in that you can spam magnum, and take advantage of the high damage output. Though in a difficult dungeon I'd either go shortbow or highlander.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 19, 2012, 02:09:08 pm
Personally, I go for composite bows with that Stamp enchant I keep raving about. Hi crit ftw :3
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 19, 2012, 02:12:59 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 19, 2012, 02:26:09 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 19, 2012, 02:27:56 pm
For guild invites, readeth the OP. Then poke the stone and tell us (or Seriyu) that you did.
Aye, poked the stone already, was just wondering if anything else was needed that I might have missed. Currently puttering about doing part time quests and wondering which combat skills I want to train.
Post by: Aklyon on August 19, 2012, 02:29:07 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2012, 04:52:21 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2012, 05:02:14 pm
If nobody says anything by the time I accept people again, I'll reject them so speak up if you did.
Post by: majikero on August 19, 2012, 05:22:38 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2012, 06:30:09 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 19, 2012, 07:06:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2012, 08:19:47 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 19, 2012, 08:28:36 pm
Post by: JimDale on August 20, 2012, 01:44:21 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 20, 2012, 06:47:05 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 20, 2012, 09:18:30 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 20, 2012, 05:04:29 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2012, 05:52:13 pm
But yeah I also have a spare map, meant for Defeat Fomor Commander I but it works for other Tailteann missions.
Also advice for Shadow Cast City: DO NOT CTRL TARGET AT THE BOSS YOU WILL SMASH ALL YOUR FRIENDS ON ACCIDENT!!!
Post by: majikero on August 20, 2012, 08:33:11 pm
Also, what do you mean with don't Ctrl target the boss? I failed to kill that boss and did it solo.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2012, 08:38:27 pm
Spoiler: Don't look in here Seriyu (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skyrunner on August 20, 2012, 08:42:10 pm
Post by: majikero on August 20, 2012, 10:05:59 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 20, 2012, 10:07:36 pm
Post by: majikero on August 20, 2012, 10:41:01 pm
Anyways, if anyone needs herbs, just post here and i can pop in and harvest some and mail it to you. I can provide base, bloody, mana, sunlight and golden herbs.
Post by: Seriyu on August 21, 2012, 02:31:30 am
And you found the original map I think SirAaron? Buuuut I did find the other one that I actually used, I forgot, wahaha.
Post by: Seriyu on August 21, 2012, 07:27:08 am
Rabbie Normal. Three floors. Ignoring the normal trash mobs (rats and bats and mimics) There are two "basic" enemy types. Skeleton wolves, who act like wolves, and skeletons. That act like goblins that hit like TRUCKS, seriously, don't try defending unless you've got a high rank of defense or a shield, and even then be prepared to get a chunk taken out of you by a crit. On the first floor, normal skeletons, on the second, red skeletons, and on the third, metal skeletons. All act the same, just increasingly more stats. There are also some rare spawns, Mini skeletons wearing light/heavy armor. The mini red is a red skeleton with less HP, and the other two, wearing armor have less HP and heavy stander. A single smash should take care of each.
Solo boss - Succubus. Easy, keep the pressure up and you're gonna come out fine. It has magic, but if you stay in it's face it won't get a chance to use it (and as always, if it does go off, you're in for a world of hurt), melee attacks are nothing to worry about. If you come in with a team, as long as the team leaves before you open the boss door, you'll still get the succubus. Handy! Also, I will jsut say this now, unless otherwise mentioned, succubi have either level 1 or 2 (usually 2) of every passive defense.
Team boss - Gold Goblin Army. 16 golden goblins and 12 goblin archers. Head in, pick them off with ranged from the sides. Be especially mindful of archers, and try to get them first if you can. They can and will multiaggro so don't just run into the mob unless you like getting hit six times in about half a minute.
Rabbie Basic. Four floors. Mostly the same, except the skeletons have light armor now, which is heavy stander one, which is an inconsequential amount of heavy stander. Honestly you could still prolly normally melee them, the chance is so low, but I wouldn't, because again, they still hit like trucks. Normal skeletons on floor 1 and 2, red on 2 and 3, metal on 4.
Solo boss - Red Succubus. Pretty much the same. Even more of a caster, her attacks hit less hard then black. You'll be fine.
Team boss - Two Lycanthropes. If you knock back a lycan with anything but windmill, it will fully heal. They'll also multi. So pull em out, and windmill spam them.
Rabbie Advanced. Four floors. Now we're getting somewhere. Skeletons of all flavors are here, full armor this time though, which is heavy stander as before, natural shield, and mana deflector. Normal, floor 1-2, red, 2-3, metal 4. HOWEVER. Rabbie advanced also has Skeleton squads. Which are skeleton suicide bombers. Melee people, do not attack them. Keep away, millwall, whatever, just don't be neat them when they die, or you will die too. you NEED rangers for this mission, or there is no way you'll make it through. Skeleton wolves and Gold Goblins are here, and their stats have been hiked up. Gold goblin also got firebolt. Same AI though, treat them the same, except never let gold goblin cast, as usual. Skeleton Laghodessas are also here, they have a poison attack, and a decent level of instinctive reaction, which allows them to counter with a normal attack if you attack them while they're not stunned/using a skill. They're also immune to ranged attacks.
Solo boss - Yellow, red, black, pink, and white succubi. Red and black are significantly meatier then before. They will multi aggro, so pull them out first, and deal with them one at a time. Yellow is immune to ranged attacks. They don't seem to know if red is immune to ranged, but she probably is.
Party boss (2 to 5 members) - Red and yellow succubus, and four giant lightning sprites. Yellow still immune to ranged. Pull and kill as usual, but take particular caution with the giant lighting sprites, as they can cast thunder which will wipe out your entire party in one go. They have every passive defense.
Party boss (6 - 8 members) - Black succubus and 4 giant lightning sprites. Pull and kill.
Rabbie advanced for two. Three floors. Same monsters as rabbie advanced, refer to that section.
Boss - Yellow and black succubi , tweleve skeleton imps, and two skeleton laghodessas. Everything but the black succubus is immune to rangers. Imps are nothing to worry about, deal with them as you'd deal with a goblin, despite being imps they have no magic. Laghodessas are to be treated like laghodessas, except they can poison. The wiki doesn't know if skele imps multi, but they probably do. Laghodessas also do. Pull and kill.
Rabbie advanced for three. Three floors, same monsters except skeleton laghodessas have been upgraded to miniboss status. Four of them to be precise.
Boss - Yellow and red succubi, four skeleton imps, and six skeleton laghodessas. Everything is immune to ranged (Except maybe the red succubus). Pull and kill.
So that's that. Next up, Barri! Then we move on to emain dungeons. Then hardmode. Then we're finally done!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 21, 2012, 11:39:24 pm
PS Ibid I have finally decided to remove the robes. It is a sight to behold totally yup uh-huh
hee hee hee
Post by: Seriyu on August 22, 2012, 12:05:21 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 22, 2012, 02:40:53 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 23, 2012, 12:10:03 am
I found a Light Hetero Kite Shield manual, rank 8. Anyone up to the task of making one for me? We'll talk about rewards later because wow am I super tired
Post by: Seriyu on August 23, 2012, 12:25:39 am
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So that's that.
Post by: majikero on August 23, 2012, 10:43:28 am
This event is a zombie event. Not sure how that goes but there are prize! Here's the list from the wiki.
Sparkling Star Umbrella
Panda Umbrella
Broken Umbrella
Imp Sky War Sword
Purple Falcata
Reading Chair
Living Room Chair
School Chair
Champion Knuckle
Bracer Knuckle
What I what is the Imp sky War Sword and Panda Umbrella. If anyone will be online tonight, lets do this event.
There are also new stuff for Eweca Orb. Here's a list of what you may see on people's shops on channel 1.
Dustin Silver Knight Armor
Adonis Wear
Hebona Shoes
Liberty Saber
Patron Wear
Heavy Punch Bracer Knuckle
Hebona Robe
Cressida Wear
Valencia Cross Line Plate Armor
Vintage Dragon Fenix Helm
Allegro Lyre
Wait a It will probably cost a lot for now but the market will eventually be flooded with it and prices will drop.
New event renewals!
Banquet has new prizes and fireworks added are added. Not sure if it's at the start or during the banquet.
Rafting starts can now be stored in the inventory for 3 days.
Families has a new warp function.
Wine making can be done at the commerce imp and shows up at the skill tab.
I hope this generates renewed interests because, I want those prizes dammit! The zombie event would be fun to play with a group rather than treating it as a grind for stuff.
Post by: Rose on August 23, 2012, 01:39:07 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 23, 2012, 02:49:18 pm
EDIT: Zombie event eh. Hmmmm.
Post by: Aklyon on August 23, 2012, 02:51:29 pm
Post by: majikero on August 23, 2012, 03:13:36 pm
What is this event?
If your familiar with Dungeon defender, its similar to that. Or tower defense game without the tower. I don't know whats it called though, maybe Hero Defense or something.
Anyways, You have a maximum of 6 players. The event will provide you with a choice of 3 classes, warrior, mage/bard and ranger/alchemist. There can only be 2 class each. You earn gold for killing enemies and clearing each wave. You use this gold to level your skills and buy items. Some skills provided are useless because there is no provided equipment to support that skill. For example, you cant use fusion skills and blaze because there is no wands only staff. The alchemy skills are limited to fire, wind, water, clay and life drain crystals.
I'll go over strategies later.
Edit. I forgot to mention, you have 3 chances before you get a gift box. The contents of the box is dependent on your performance. We need a good strategy to get the high end stuffs. I think we have a chance once per day to get a box.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 23, 2012, 03:31:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 23, 2012, 05:36:35 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 23, 2012, 06:45:56 pm
Post by: majikero on August 23, 2012, 07:14:45 pm
PLAN1
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PLAN2
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Post by: TwilightWalker on August 23, 2012, 10:52:00 pm
Post by: Rose on August 24, 2012, 12:07:14 am
She kept insisting I drink the damn potion and I drank the damn potion and she wouldn't let me continue.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2012, 12:08:03 am
Post by: Rose on August 24, 2012, 12:22:43 am
Oh...
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2012, 12:30:45 am
Post by: Myroc on August 24, 2012, 09:11:36 am
Any ideas?
Post by: Skyrunner on August 24, 2012, 09:18:35 am
Navigate to [drive]:\Nexon\Mabinogi\Mabinogi.exe.
Run it.
That's the hidden, non-website way of going into Mabinogi. It's actually what the shortcut is supposed to be, but the NA Nexon changed it.
Post by: Myroc on August 24, 2012, 09:20:26 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 24, 2012, 10:24:44 am
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 10:54:06 am
Post by: Graknorke on August 24, 2012, 10:58:28 am
Just curious.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 24, 2012, 11:04:09 am
I believe that Pando activated with the launcher, so if you boot up and don't run Mabi, it's fine. But as soon as you do, Pando comes on, and stays on until you kill the program or shut down your PC. It's also a "daemon" - it has no task icon visible to the user, so you have to ctrl-shift-escape task manager to kill the task.
Nexon is really a dick about networking load. Between Pando and Naggle, the game as unplayable. As soon as you fix their massive glaring fuckups, it's pretty good.
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 11:10:34 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 24, 2012, 11:16:15 am
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 11:18:49 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 24, 2012, 11:19:49 am
On the other hand, Pando is a clean uninstall via the "Add/Remove Programs" located in the control panel.
Post by: Seriyu on August 24, 2012, 05:52:06 pm
Buuuut it's up to you. Just throwing my two cents in. Also the nagle algorithm fix is in the OP for anyone that was like "wait what nagle?"
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2012, 06:03:45 pm
Just kidding I'm okay, contrary to what Norton keeps telling me.
Post by: Seriyu on August 24, 2012, 06:29:28 pm
Anyway.
Post by: dei on August 24, 2012, 08:11:26 pm
I am going to make an educated guess and state that why Mabinogi doesn't disable the Nagle Algorithm is because of how South Korea, China, Japan and maybe Taiwan's network infrastructure are set up with fiberoptic wire instead of the usual cables that are run in the United States of America. Asian gamers in those larger and more set-up countries don't have as big of a problem with latency or ping as gamers in the United States of America, and in fact most don't even experience lag spikes on a regular basis like some of the people here in this thread.
It is because of this I am told that Nexon and other companies in South Korea and Japan that make online games don't need to or don't bother with making decent netcode protocol for their games. As such it's not really surprising that they didn't provide scripts that bypass the Nagle Algorithm - their original audience didn't need such a convenient script.
Companies here in the United States of America on the other hand don't have the option to not make decent netcode protocols for their online games. Most places outside of a university or government facility are not on fiberoptic wire, T1 or T3 connections. Most at best have cable broadband (which may or may not be strained by other cable services going through, be it phone or television-related) or DSL (which in many cases is easily interrupted by the ringing of a phone or some other inconvenience going through the phone lines). Some people here in the United States of America still use a 56k dial-up connection. This situation repeats itself in a lot of other places around the world regardless of the circumstances.
Basically as most everyone in this thread knows if you want to play Mabinogi you've got to disable the Nagle Algorithm as otherwise you'll continue to have a higher latency than is desired. It's still a good idea to disable the Nagle Algorithm either way if you're not using a cable broadband or higher connection, as connections ranked around DSL and lower and certain wireless connections like the one I am using will benefit from it being disabled. As long as you don't have any obscenely low data caps hanging over your head using a bit more bandwidth is really a good thing; the more bandwidth you use with what you are doing the faster and smoother things will go.
...Of course it's common sense not to do something irresponsible like download a torrent of season one of Breaking Bad from the Pirate Bay or the latest patch for Skyrim on Steam while playing Mabinogi or any other game on the internet. Most computers regardless of the circumstances can't multitask without them having more than one core, and your connection will suffer from multitasking if you're not on cable broadband or higher. At least, that's my experience.
You'll want to close out all other programs that utilize you bandwidth if cable broadband is not the case, especially stuff like instant messenger programs, torrent clients, and services like Pandora Radio that stream live content, regardless of what online game you are playing. If you're using cable broadband or better for your connection then you probably won't have problems if you do certain kinds of multitasking with your connection, except for the instant messaging bit. I don't recommend using an instant messenger while your playing a game on the internet, because every time you receive a message from someone it's more than likely going to give you a lag spike of some kind.
Now if you excuse me I have a very bad pain in my sinuses from all of the smoke in the area I am living in. There are at least six wildfires in the general area and my allergies have been so bad that I haven't felt up to getting into Mabinogi or any other online game I play that uses client-server protocol.
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 08:17:19 pm
SK and related actually built up their infrastructure. We're stuck with lazy Comcast/Verizon/Time Warner who are supposed to do so but are more interested in half-assing it at broadband and leaving it there, while Sonic.net tries to be helpful but is all the way in a small area of california and google's fiber project is only in kansas city.
Meanwhile, I'm in a state near DC, and I hardly have had ping problems with mabi.
Edit: I'm pretty sure that Nexon had to at least try to make decent netcode, though to a different standard of decent since they have better internet. Crappy netcode is crap, whether or not your connection is sufficient.
Post by: Seriyu on August 24, 2012, 08:22:25 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 24, 2012, 08:28:34 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 08:31:39 pm
@Ninja Skyrunner
If they're in korea, if it worked the uk guys might as well just route the otherway around the world at that point :P
Post by: Skyrunner on August 24, 2012, 08:37:48 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 08:40:10 pm
Post by: dei on August 24, 2012, 08:56:37 pm
It's included with the rent I pay here at this community housing facility I live at and all I can say is disabling Nagle and religiously using Cometbird with Greasemonkey scripts that tweak Flash and certain sites are necessary for me to do anything on the internet that isn't this forum or a part of the overchan. Even with my connection denagled I have latency issues in Mabinogi because of how my internet service provider does things a little shadier than you would expect.
Honestly, I would love a hardwired cable broadband connection or even Xfinity provided wirelessly from the next room, but my landlord doesn't keep his promises. He told me about four months ago when the hardware for the network that is run through the entire complex was moved into my apartment so I could manage it that he would be buying cable broadband for the entire complex. Instead he's decided to spend what little money this nonprofit and community housing facility I get services from has on renovating the office so it smells less like cat shit.
At the very least though on a good day the Clearwire modem gets three to four bars and speeds comparable to a 768Kbps AT&T DSL connection, albeit with medium-low latency. Most days though there is wind or some shut-in other than myself spending all of their time streaming shiza videos, playing poker or trying to play multiplayer mode on some sort of a PS3 game. Yes, PS3.
Post by: Aklyon on August 24, 2012, 09:07:08 pm
But for however many reasons, that is not it, and things like your landlord is the same kind of problem I'd been talking about, though for a different reason then cat arse. Also, the PS3 guy could be downloading patches or something on occasion instead of multiplayer, that tends to use much more than just mp.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2012, 10:52:47 pm
20 imps with lightning all at once...
then Charlene who was pretty weak actually
Post by: Seriyu on August 24, 2012, 11:05:53 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 25, 2012, 12:53:44 am
This should tell you a lot.
Post by: Alkhemia on August 25, 2012, 06:05:44 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 25, 2012, 06:14:34 am
It is faiiiiirly team centric, yes. There are a few places you can solo, and there's nothing you just flat out can't solo, but a lot of the stuff would require a rather ridiculous grind to solo. It's often just easier to find a team, and luckily if you join up with the B12 guild, you won't have a problem with finding a team.
The combat can take some getting used to, and might take some lessons from people that know the ins and outs a bit better then a new person, but once you get the hang of it it's very intuitive.
Post by: Myroc on August 25, 2012, 02:40:04 pm
A: How on earth is the regular party advertisement syntax set up. A party recruitment window displaying "B>Battle/Sword nm -color" does not contain any useful info. Please help me decode this strange and arcane language.
B: What on earth am I supposed to do on my own. So far I've done some trading, but it's tedious and basically boils down to "Walk to that city on foot while being forced to walk around certain random spots in the terrain". I did try to do some solo runs, which was rather difficult and fun, but one dungeon started to kick my ass with red skeletons and the other with the end boss. What else can I do only by the company of myself?
C: Why the flying fuck does this piece of armor lack pants?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 25, 2012, 02:50:42 pm
Battle Sword is the name of an item. Usually there will be item names here, like Thames (armor), Dustin (more armor), Hebona (clothing), etc
NM stands for note me, I think. NMO is note me offers.
-color probably means to include the color of the battle sword.
B. You may wish to start them G1 quests now.
C. What is it called?
Post by: Aklyon on August 25, 2012, 03:33:45 pm
The again, in most games like that there isn't a market for specifically colored clothes either.
Post by: Seriyu on August 25, 2012, 05:20:12 pm
Alright, I've applied to the guild, so now I just need someone to accept that blasted application and I should be able to join in on your endeavours. A couple of newbie questions, though:
A: How on earth is the regular party advertisement syntax set up. A party recruitment window displaying "B>Battle/Sword nm -color" does not contain any useful info. Please help me decode this strange and arcane language.
B: What on earth am I supposed to do on my own. So far I've done some trading, but it's tedious and basically boils down to "Walk to that city on foot while being forced to walk around certain random spots in the terrain". I did try to do some solo runs, which was rather difficult and fun, but one dungeon started to kick my ass with red skeletons and the other with the end boss. What else can I do only by the company of myself?
C: Why the flying fuck does this piece of armor lack pants?
A: Like SirAaron said, that particular guy was trying to sell something. They use the party channel for this, although you do occasionally see people advertising dungeon runs. They'll be much easier to decode. Just wanted to get that out there too.
B: G1 is good to get started earlier, again, as SirAaron said, as it gives you AP, thanks to the recent revamp. It's the quest line in the "goddess" tab. Aside from that you might look into crafting or try to get into a public dungeon party. The community around mabi is usually pretty nice, so it shouldn't be too painful. With that said I am logging on right now to get you into the guild, so you shouldn't have issues finding people to do stuff with.
C: Yeah, some armor lacks pants. I'm also gonna take this moment to say, armor in this game is mostly cosmetic. I don't mean to say heavy armor has the same armor points as clothing, but there are three classes, clothing (1 defense), light armor (4 defense and 1 protection), and heavy armor (6 defense and 2 protection). So if you see some armor you like the look of, just use it! Chances are it'll have similar stats to another armor of its level. There's some mid game armor you can get through hardmode dungeon runs and such but that's a ways off, and even then they mostly provide set bonuses. Also of note is if you craft a weapon/armor / someone else crafts it, it will probably get bonuses, mostly to durability, but sometimes to def and prot, so if the stats seem a bit off, that's probably why.
(Defense lowers damage by 1 point, protection lowers damage by 1 percent, and reduces critical chance by one percent. Just sayin it now. :P)
Post by: Elfeater on August 25, 2012, 05:29:08 pm
Post by: dei on August 25, 2012, 09:04:27 pm
Wireless internet can be not-exactly-reliable over long-range that sounds like. Works perfectly fine from here to the room downstairs, but thats not a large distance, nor is the wind a factor. Any sort of cable at all would help against wind.
But for however many reasons, that is not it, and things like your landlord is the same kind of problem I'd been talking about, though for a different reason then cat arse. Also, the PS3 guy could be downloading patches or something on occasion instead of multiplayer, that tends to use much more than just mp.
The way the network is situated is there is a wireless modem that receives the signal from one of Clearwire's towers. It in and of itself is hardwired to a wireless router that in turn broadcasts the signal to a signal extender. These are all kept less than fifty feet away on a table in my apartment's common area. I get the best signal out of the residents that use it, since everyone else requires that signal extender to rebroadcast the internet signal to the rest of the complex - two apartments below me and a small dormitory-like house just next door.
The problem is that Clearwire is a common choice for internet service provider in the area I am living in, which in turn is windy and often has dense air. On a good day and sometimes an average day the modem itself provides speeds similar to a 768Kbps DSL connection at least and at around a 3Mbps broadband connection at most during the optimal hours of midnight to six'o'clock in the morning on non-windy or dense air days.
On a bad day which is usually most days when the college students return and start buying into Clearwire's services as well as when the wind starts picking up and the air is dense I at best get speeds equal to fifty percent of my average until around the usual optimal time, when I get the average speeds I have on a good day. It will remain like this until sometime in May the next year, when the university and the community college let out. I then have decent signal once again until sometime around August 20th of that year.
Regardless of the circumstances I doubt Mabinogi would be playable right now without me having to figure out some way of exorcising the chicanery that plagues the wireless signal I use. The PS3 will probably be a problem regardless of what I do, as will the person who spends all day playing poker.
The person who spent her days "watching" 2girls1cup and a variety of shiza videos was evicted recently for both false rape accusations and wanton destruction of property and currently resides in a sleazy motel. I don't think she'll be causing any more problems, which is probably part of why Youtube works again. Either way I probably will have to find the time to see if Mabinogi is playable on this connection under these current circumstances, when I can be arsed to play it again. Right now it feels kind of stale because of a shitty community and a supposed friend of mine that refuses to call me on the phone and only speaking to me through notes in Mabinogi because he's a potato in disguise.
Anyways, carry on and enjoy your event.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 25, 2012, 09:11:19 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 25, 2012, 09:13:58 pm
This event is actually not as much good as it sounded before. Plus, Nexon's servers have derped up.
Again.
It's not that much of a surprise anymore.
e: Looks like it was just for jousting? That was really really tense, though. It was like.. "okay I put W let's see what they put.... oh my god what if they put A ohmy god oh god ohgod"
Post by: Seriyu on August 25, 2012, 09:50:44 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 25, 2012, 09:52:41 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2012, 12:16:41 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 26, 2012, 12:35:49 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 26, 2012, 12:41:21 am
That was really cheap. 7.5k for a glowing statue?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2012, 10:27:50 am
- someone forgot a 0 or two
- someone got it out of one of the event chests and didn't know what it was
Post by: dei on August 26, 2012, 12:56:34 pm
...May I ask what a potato in disguise is? >.>...Can you count to potato? Chances are if you can you are a potato. My friend is more than likely a potato because of how he, like myself, is developmentally disabled.
I would rather much use the word potato than that other word that the Down Syndrome girl from Glee likens to the whole slew of racial slurs used against other minorities. At least people like potatoes, whether they are mashed, baked, fried, scalloped, or whatever. Potato is more pleasing for me to use than retard, which is a word I loathe and abhor.
Sure, calling people like myself potatoes is kind of obscure, but I'd rather be called a potato than a retard or a tard. Anyways, I'm sorry for going off-topic and such.
Post by: Seriyu on August 27, 2012, 03:50:14 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 27, 2012, 04:49:57 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 27, 2012, 05:41:46 pm
Infiltration sure is fun. Yup, yup.
If I could, I would do Infiltration every day of my life. *straight face*
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 27, 2012, 08:39:44 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 27, 2012, 09:29:15 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 27, 2012, 09:36:45 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 27, 2012, 09:38:04 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 28, 2012, 12:30:08 am
Also I'm considering writing a joke guide series. It'd probably be really dumb though.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 28, 2012, 10:43:52 am
Post by: Sonlirain on August 28, 2012, 12:32:53 pm
I'm stuck at G3 thanks to utterly unworking books and collections.
All books are blank and permanently "content downloading".
Therefore i cannot complete "asking residents of emain macha about macha" and therefore G3 as well.
Any suggestions on how to remedy the situation?
Post by: Seriyu on August 28, 2012, 03:59:07 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 29, 2012, 12:07:58 am
Reason I'm putting this here is NOBODY IS EVER IN THE STEAM CHAT AAAAAARRRRRR
Post by: Seriyu on August 29, 2012, 01:23:15 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 29, 2012, 02:12:33 am
Sorry bout that disconnect guys, the microwave suddenly came on and lasted just long enough to disconnect me, but not long enough for the disconnect to happen while the microwave was actually on.
Reason I'm putting this here is NOBODY IS EVER IN THE STEAM CHAT AAAAAARRRRRR
Steam has the annoying policy where if you don't pay, you don't get to chat. ._.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 29, 2012, 10:34:51 am
Ok here's my problem.
I'm stuck at G3 thanks to utterly unworking books and collections.
All books are blank and permanently "content downloading".
Therefore i cannot complete "asking residents of emain macha about macha" and therefore G3 as well.
Any suggestions on how to remedy the situation?
Did you try reinstalling the client, allowing cookies in IE, and/or updating Java..?
Post by: Sonlirain on August 29, 2012, 10:45:44 am
Ok here's my problem.
I'm stuck at G3 thanks to utterly unworking books and collections.
All books are blank and permanently "content downloading".
Therefore i cannot complete "asking residents of emain macha about macha" and therefore G3 as well.
Any suggestions on how to remedy the situation?
Did you try reinstalling the client, allowing cookies in IE, and/or updating Java..?
Nope. I searched google for a solution but i got nothing.
I'm using Chrome as the main browser... maybe it's the source of problems?
Post by: Aklyon on August 29, 2012, 10:46:26 am
Post by: alexwazer on August 29, 2012, 02:05:10 pm
Dunno if it's going to help as a lot of people have been reporting bugs with books since the last major update. However, this seemed to fix the content downloading problem for some, which didn't help fix messed up quests, but that might not apply to your quest since you need to claim the reward from the book rather than just read it to complete quest.
Post by: Aklyon on August 29, 2012, 02:46:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 29, 2012, 05:53:15 pm
Post by: majikero on August 29, 2012, 06:03:27 pm
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Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 29, 2012, 06:06:05 pm
Post by: majikero on August 29, 2012, 06:10:28 pm
Also my game is bugging out.
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Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 29, 2012, 06:11:31 pm
Also, i'm guessing it may not be too intensive, but what kinda PC is needed for this?
Post by: Seriyu on August 29, 2012, 06:14:52 pm
Tempted to try this out. M, I too late?
Nope! I think we'll be able to get new people invited even without the guild stone, I just have to manually invite them, which is kind've a pain. So now more then ever, TELL ME IN STEAM CHAT OR IN THE THREAD IF YOU WANT TO GET INVITED, or you may never be invited. If you tell me it'll be good.
And my old desktop ran it with an intel chipset, which if I understand is basically as bad as you can get if your computer is within like, 10 years old.
So yeah, it'll probably be fine. Even if it says your graphics card may not work after install, keep going, it lies about that a lot.
Post by: Aklyon on August 29, 2012, 08:45:39 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 29, 2012, 09:21:35 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 29, 2012, 09:55:34 pm
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Narshe: Well someone needs to do itThe guild is in currently in possession of 3 glowing statues for use in Karu Forest Dungeon. These are: 1 glowing spider statue, owned by Laur (this one doesn't count because Laur's internet issues), 1 glowing spider statue, owned by Ibid, and 1 glowing imp statue, also owned by Ibid.
Narshe: harh ar
So how about we put these statues to use? Sometime during the next 2 weeks, preferably on a Tuesday. But not both in the same day because that shit takes like 4 hours.
So.. make room in your schedules? Or discuss moving the time. Nothing is set in stone yet, so feel free to speak up if you can't make it and we will most definitely move it to a diffferent day/time because we don't want to try it with like 3 people.
Post by: Seriyu on August 29, 2012, 10:41:50 pm
So yeah.
Post by: alexwazer on August 29, 2012, 11:17:37 pm
Anyone planning to go should make at least minimal preparation beforehand: holy water to at least rebless weapon (expect to die) and the usual feathers, bandages and potions. Everyone that is not a giant should also consider getting a bow and the magnum shot skill. Doesn't matter if you have horrible dexterity, the goal is to have knockbacks. I can make/supplies people with finest handmade arrows, so no need to carry that.
Post by: Aklyon on August 29, 2012, 11:21:10 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 29, 2012, 11:47:57 pm
e:
Spoiler: to myself, to-do in order of importance (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2012, 01:32:28 am
I object to that title. Theres only 23 pages. :P
Hmmmm, that's agood point, forum view format things. Maybe I should list the post number. Or I could be lazy and leave it. :P
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2012, 02:42:25 am
I'll still be checking the thread, so please let me know if you need an invite, and I'll hop on and getcha.
THis is also no excuse to stop DOING STUFF, in fact consider it practice on doing it yourselves now that I'm not pitching stuff to do and yammering in chat constantly. :P
But yeah, tl;dr: Taking a break, if you need an invite, say something in the thread or steam chat(I'll still be in there), I'll still be going to the Karu run, KEEP DOING STUFF DAMMIT, keep that guild active, or I will briefly shout on you on return and then go back to doing whatever I do.
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2012, 03:08:59 am
Thank you for your patience - The Management
EDIT: Also, post your name in thread before you do this, if you want ot make sure people know it's you. Hardly required, but it also helps me keep track of you in the future.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 30, 2012, 04:34:26 am
RAFTING TIP #1: Don't be dumb and shop while the raft teleports away. Don't. Just... don't.
The great irony, is that there was no need to get off the raft; the native upstream vends the exact same selection of goody-goodies.
...The Netherworld... so cold... :-[
RAFTING TIP #1: Don't be dumb and shop while the raft teleports away. Don't. Just... don't.
- run a Karu Normal, get My Nubes blahblah rank D meditation
- RAAAAAAAAAAAAFT!!!! You guys should come too it's a lot of fun and greater rewards than ever
- Commerce. Make some money you poor butt
Ante up, and count me a chip in your pile for all your crazy antics. I won't be available a great deal until Saturday evening, but following that I have an 9 day paid vacation. Pausing for for a few Mass Effect replay breaks and a little sailing, I'm game to grind all the Karu we can handle.
I for one am reeeeally looking forward to more rafting. It would be nice to stock up on premium potions and nifty gear while the event last, not to mention ice-nuking a few gobbos.
- Defeat Fomor Commander 1. Get that page 2. Get it.
Even after the expense of my goose hunt, I'm not convinced we should be grinding dungeons and missions for the hard-to-find pages. The rarest of them usually go for 1-2 mil on the housing board, and tend to surface every few days. Now, before you write off the possibility of purchasing them, consider...
With a wagon, most of us tend to make around 50k an hour. If, say, three of us were willing to get together and do high-value runs and donate the gold proceeds to helping the next in line get his pages.. we'd stand to rake 150k an hour.
At even just a couple of hours a say, well, you see where I'm going with this...
Post by: Skyrunner on August 30, 2012, 04:46:41 am
150k = 150000 per hour.
6 hours and 40 minutes for one page. :/ I.. think grinding might be slightly better.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 30, 2012, 04:53:35 am
1000000 ~ 2000000 gold to purchase one page.
150k = 150000 per hour.
6 hours and 40 minutes for one page. :/ I.. think grinding might be slightly better.
I just can't shake this biting conviction that we'd be in, preparing for, and recuperating from dungeons for a longer sum of time.
Had any experience with the odds?
Post by: Skyrunner on August 30, 2012, 05:12:01 am
More seriously, what skill is that page 2? :/ MabiAbout doesn't have any information about page 2 dropping from Formor Commander I... I can probably give a better guess if you tell me what skill it is xD
The drop rate differs from person to person, it's really random xD However, it -is- doable, judging by the fact that people bother to go hunting for the pages and then sell them at 1~2 million. Also, I think dungeoning is less boring than commerce, especially since commerce is basically going back and forth between the same spots, hoping you don't call down the fury that is veteran bandits...
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 30, 2012, 02:55:45 pm
As for commerce- the strategy has been to put one man at the front with low value goods and let him lead the caravan and trigger the attacks. It usually works, when the monster server isn't lagging and showering us with flash-spawn. Even then, three of us could probably fend of anything but master bandits.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2012, 04:43:02 pm
stuffOkay guys it's all over time to pack it up
Just kidding. But now who are we going to throw all the administrative arranging things on now?.. I'll do it, I mean he already made me make that Karu post.
question
I for one am reeeeally looking forward to more rafting. It would be nice to stock up on premium potions and nifty gear while the event last, not to mention ice-nuking a few gobbos.Yes, I was hoping to find Ice Spear page the second. I actually would prefer to spam Fomor Commander 1 over doing Rabbie Advanced. Commerce would be good too because then I won't have to repair stuff (if things go right). The aforementioned strategy works well, too. The only problem is I want my cash for me :P
With a wagon, most of us tend to make around 50k an hour. If, say, three of us were willing to get together and do high-value runs and donate the gold proceeds to helping the next in line get his pages.. we'd stand to rake 150k an hour.
Rafting is always cool too and should take a higher priority because we will always need Ice Spear pages and the Ice Spear pages will wait for us, while the stars we got yesterday (and the event) won't.
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2012, 05:01:19 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2012, 11:22:18 pm
Since nobody appears to have a problem with Tuesday September 4, that is going to be the day we do one! Now for times. I am free anytime past 4 PM PST, until around 10 or 11 PM PST. How about you guys?
Also Ibid mailed me the spider statue, unless this is a completely new one. Thanks Ibid!
Post by: Seriyu on September 01, 2012, 06:48:34 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 01, 2012, 07:49:32 pm
In unrelated news, my ping test to San Francisco is actually better than my ping test to New York. It's a mere 1.39 seconds, which almost matches up with the actual delay I felt. xD
Also, funnily, the download speed to Japan is faster than the download speed to Seoul, which is about 8 times closer. Of course, the ping is worse, and so is the upload speed...
Post by: majikero on September 01, 2012, 09:23:27 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 01, 2012, 10:22:46 pm
To any interested, I got 3 sketches of glowing twin sword warrior statue, the thing that only appears when it's stormy in Rano. It's needed for final hit. If anyone wants just say so.
Definitely interested! Like to strike a deal? :D
Post by: Skyrunner on September 02, 2012, 12:01:41 am
I'd be too, but Ican't recieve it xDTo any interested, I got 3 sketches of glowing twin sword warrior statue, the thing that only appears when it's stormy in Rano. It's needed for final hit. If anyone wants just say so.
Definitely interested! Like to strike a deal? :D
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 02, 2012, 01:40:33 am
I'd be too, but Ican't recieve it xDTo any interested, I got 3 sketches of glowing twin sword warrior statue, the thing that only appears when it's stormy in Rano. It's needed for final hit. If anyone wants just say so.
Definitely interested! Like to strike a deal? :D
What if I made a sketch of the sketch, and then mailed it to you? :P
Post by: Skyrunner on September 02, 2012, 01:54:56 am
Post by: Sonlirain on September 02, 2012, 03:27:34 am
This is a masterpiece sketch of sketch of glowing twin sword warrior statue in paper.I'd be too, but Ican't recieve it xDTo any interested, I got 3 sketches of glowing twin sword warrior statue, the thing that only appears when it's stormy in Rano. It's needed for final hit. If anyone wants just say so.
Definitely interested! Like to strike a deal? :D
What if I made a sketch of the sketch, and then mailed it to you? :P
All the craftsmiletianship is of the highest quality.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 02, 2012, 09:10:48 am
This is a masterpiece sketch of sketch of glowing twin sword warrior statue in paper.I'd be too, but Ican't recieve it xDTo any interested, I got 3 sketches of glowing twin sword warrior statue, the thing that only appears when it's stormy in Rano. It's needed for final hit. If anyone wants just say so.
Definitely interested! Like to strike a deal? :D
What if I made a sketch of the sketch, and then mailed it to you? :P
All the craftsmiletianship is of the highest quality.
Quality: ** (Created by a Rank F Architect)
Post by: Singularity125 on September 02, 2012, 09:54:33 am
Truth is that I just feel the need now to play some of the massive backlog of games that I've already bought, instead of pumping money into an MMO. (...I'm addicted to the inventory space. If I play now, I have to be VIP. >.>)
I'll be back eventually, probably. Work just leaves me with very little free time these days and single-player games are much easier to get into. But I'll root for you guys. Go out there and kill stuff. :D
Post by: Ricky on September 02, 2012, 10:28:30 am
is that worth anything, and if it is, where can i sell it and for how much?
Post by: Aklyon on September 02, 2012, 10:36:52 am
I would be one of the aforementioned people who ups and leaves without saying anything... oops.Same here, I have stuff i haven't finished yet that I want to do.
Post by: majikero on September 02, 2012, 01:42:26 pm
So, in all this talk about expensive pages and rare things, i thought to myself "i'll never find anything like that". well i just killed some ancient spider and it dropped a page called "the study into the amplification of electricity pg. 1"
is that worth anything, and if it is, where can i sell it and for how much?
Congratulations! You just found Shock page 1. Not sure how much it's worth but it is worth something.
Post by: Ricky on September 02, 2012, 02:00:38 pm
I only have 5 hours before it expires and i dont want to lose the opportunity for some money
Post by: Seriyu on September 02, 2012, 03:53:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 02, 2012, 08:33:29 pm
Just a heads up.
Post by: alexwazer on September 02, 2012, 08:41:02 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 03, 2012, 12:24:54 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 03, 2012, 01:18:11 am
Time will tell. :P
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 03, 2012, 02:25:12 pm
Given, I live about an hour from the servers. Still, give it a try if you have the urge to play. :)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 03, 2012, 07:30:59 pm
The lag is a lot better than before though, like Ibid said!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 04, 2012, 01:06:02 am
ANCIENT HUNTING TUESDAY
It's quite a lot of fun actually.
..gotta holy water though
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 04, 2012, 01:18:20 am
Not too shabby. Not too shabby, at all. ;D
Post by: Skyrunner on September 04, 2012, 02:36:35 am
... I never knew trinity staffs dropped like candy D:
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 04, 2012, 03:22:03 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 04, 2012, 04:33:25 pm
Just kidding we love you
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 05, 2012, 01:01:05 am
Anyway, in the stead of super intense dungeons being the bulk of the guild's activity, it's kind of starting to seem like we're shifting towards lots o' commerce and ancient slaying. It feels like the vast gaps in level and availability are hindering our ability to do dungeons, never mind that the passes we want are butts to get.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 05, 2012, 01:38:18 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 05, 2012, 01:41:02 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 05, 2012, 11:45:32 am
How does everyone feel about Friday/Saturday..?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 05, 2012, 04:46:44 pm
Also Saturday sounds good to me. Yup yup.
Post by: majikero on September 05, 2012, 05:25:28 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 05, 2012, 06:02:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 05, 2012, 06:08:19 pm
Okay maybe not that many switches but you get it.
Post by: Aklyon on September 05, 2012, 06:15:12 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 05, 2012, 09:01:07 pm
Seriously, there's like one spare character left there. Maybe if the guild status becomes more stable I'll be able to remove the middle segment but until then I'm wary to remove it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 07, 2012, 12:56:24 am
Anyway some little things I wanted to talk about:
- Still karuing this Saturday night? Got a specific time? If possible I'd like it to start at later than 4 PM PST.
- If some weirdo named Krastlin added you, it's just my giant. Be not afraid.
- My alt and I need things to do, preferably with gold at the end. Commerce or certain dungeons would be ideal for me. Ancients is okay too but this is more for my "gotta catch all the Bohemians" thing than a money thing, as the money is quite far off compared to the aforementioned other things.
- I need some Holy water. Really more of a note to myself to go earn some.
- How the heck are you supposed to get 10 points of Magnum Shot enhance when each piece is +2? Oh man that means I actually need the whole set
- Got to earn me some change. Another note to me.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 07, 2012, 02:29:35 am
Can elves wear it too?
Post by: Seriyu on September 07, 2012, 02:42:50 am
Post by: Skyrunner on September 07, 2012, 03:26:30 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 07, 2012, 05:22:46 am
And another thing, I was training prof off in Iria when I wandered across an ancient I could kill. Naturally, I killed it. Anyone want a Trinity Staff?
Post by: Skyrunner on September 07, 2012, 05:28:56 am
Nocneah.
Though Ican't pay you D:
Post by: JimDale on September 07, 2012, 06:32:55 pm
The wiki mentions "windowed" several times but never gives instructions as to how to put it in that way.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 07, 2012, 06:40:04 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 07, 2012, 06:52:16 pm
SUDDENLY DOUBLE RAINBOW???
Post by: adwarf on September 07, 2012, 07:44:26 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 07, 2012, 08:49:38 pm
with our alts
commercing so -50% damage
some nice people stopped and helped us out
Post by: adwarf on September 07, 2012, 09:21:54 pm
Post by: majikero on September 07, 2012, 10:05:18 pm
I'm tempted to buy 3 character cards just for this.
Lets see, at level 60 and exploration level 20 at each rainbow nets you 640 AP at 240 total level.
Also, I'm getting paid tomorrow. So much of my want.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 08, 2012, 12:02:21 am
Just kidding don't spend money on me until Baol and we inevitably wipe
Post by: Seriyu on September 08, 2012, 12:21:36 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 08, 2012, 10:13:29 pm
Completely trivialized Gold Mask Ghosts with monster taming. It was really funny.. until.....no page..... :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Aklyon on September 08, 2012, 10:14:18 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 08, 2012, 11:05:28 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 09, 2012, 01:14:44 am
We'll meet again someday, Benjamin. I can feel it. :-*
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2012, 01:37:05 am
e: I think I literally commerced until I was sick... Having a backpack again hurts. Probably not going to commerce on my elf and giant as seriously as Dir, if at all.
Wagons for life!
Post by: Skyrunner on September 09, 2012, 02:26:12 am
I think Shadow Missions are also viable as quick level ups along with money. Some of the missions give a ton of gold, others a ton of XP. However, they need combat skills...
Post by: Seriyu on September 09, 2012, 06:36:46 pm
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2012, 07:33:37 pm
Post by: Aklyon on September 09, 2012, 07:46:31 pm
The hell? The website said rainbow will last till Sept. 10 and it already ended? Screw you Nexon.Timezones!
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2012, 07:54:54 pm
Event Schedule
Pacific
5:00 P.M. Friday, September 7, 2012 - 10:00 A.M. Monday, September 10, 2012
5:00 P.M. Friday, September 14, 2012 - 10:00 A.M. Monday, September 17, 2012
5:00 P.M. Friday, September 21, 2012 - 10:00 A.M. Monday, September 24, 2012
5:00 P.M. Friday, September 28, 2012 - 10:00 A.M. Monday, October 1, 2012
There. Is that clear enough? Good.
Again, Screw You Nexon.
Post by: Seriyu on September 09, 2012, 08:02:22 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2012, 08:49:55 pm
pfff that was hard to type
Just kidding, I love all of you. Especially the ones who haven't been on in 8+ weeks. :P
Post by: JimDale on September 09, 2012, 08:54:47 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2012, 09:17:27 pm
e: Also, Don/alexwazer, what rank is your blacksmithing?... just curious.
Post by: Seriyu on September 10, 2012, 03:17:25 am
If you wanna go dark knight and are a human HOLD ON TO ONE OF YOUR ALBEY FEATHERS FOR DEAR LIFE
Nexon fucked something up in the update and it's now impossible to get into the other world, or albey after G1. And you'l need to to go dark knight. There are alternate ways to get in but they all rely on someone else having a way into the world themselves, which makes things ahrd to do. Hopefully they will fix this ASAP because it is a huge oversight.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 10, 2012, 01:57:15 pm
Albey is particularly important because it's a good place to hunt pages. :/
Post by: alexwazer on September 10, 2012, 05:10:11 pm
As for albey, friend summon capsule do not work in TNN, so that wouldn't work. Although from what I've read you can use your maid's carriage in homestead so that should work for getting people into TNN.
Post by: Seriyu on September 10, 2012, 05:20:48 pm
Post by: alexwazer on September 10, 2012, 05:28:50 pm
So, after verification it seems I still have the key word and can still get passes.So either it's because I got the keyword before the Gen1-3 update or some other reason or even for a complete lack of reason (this is afterall Nexon; breaking random stuff while patching unrelated stuff since the dawn of time). Anyway, feel free to contact me as well if you want or need to head to TNN.
Edit: And btw, DR is back to compensate for its ending early during the week-end... so no more Nexon bashing mkay? Except to state a universal truth like that they break stuff constantly :P
Post by: Girlinhat on September 10, 2012, 05:30:35 pm
If you can't guess, my internet is now supernet.
Post by: Seriyu on September 10, 2012, 05:34:09 pm
Also hooray, guild back in action! Soon.
EDIT: ALSO: "The Double Rainbow event has been temporarily reinstated. It will end at 12:00pm PST on Tuesday September 11th, 2012."
I can only presume the next three weeks are gonna carry as normal.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 10, 2012, 05:53:54 pm
Post by: majikero on September 10, 2012, 05:55:59 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 10, 2012, 05:58:45 pm
Wait, that means I can't go on for it tomorrow.
e: They say when you want something done, do it yourself. So I'm going to try and rank blacksmithing (maybe refining, I might just ask the pro refiners to help me but that's lame and uncool) on my giant. Any of you pro smiths out there have any advice?
Post by: Seriyu on September 11, 2012, 05:14:49 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 12, 2012, 04:33:20 pm
Barri! Up in bangor, the normal dungeon is deceptivly difficult. Lotta goblins, some imps, probably the first place you'll encounter a casting enemy, presuming you didn't have a run in with a wisp on the way there. Let's take a peek.
Barri Normal! Three floors. As said, gotcher goblins, spiders, imps, and vermin. Goblins act like the goblins in ciar, no differences. Likewise with the poison goblins on floor three. Imps are casters, Rush them, they have low HP so they shouldn't be an issue. They single aggro too. Banner imps are the same but with even less HP, and don't aggro manually. Huh. Only place you can find em. Black and Red spiders act like spiders. They will only attack or defend, period. Vermin are inconsequential, despite having vampire bats in here.
Boss! Four normal ogre warriors and one large ogre warrior. THIS is where barri is difficult. Ogre warriors have a lot of HP, a lot of def, and a lot of prot. They have all passive defenses, Not immune to anything, stomp, all the melee skills. How do you deal with these things? Well first of all, if you are low level bring SP potions or have an escape route ready if you start losing too much stamina. Also note that play dead doesn't work, they'll stomp you out of it. But the key is countermill/magic counter. Counter, load windmill/magic bolt, hit them with that, load counter, so on. Not exciting, but they'll paste you one on one. As a side note, one shotting these guys is the barest minimum for entering peaca in my mind. You'll still probably die but it might be in the second room instead of the first.
Barri Basic! Five floors. We got gremlins, flying swords, laghodessas, and a miniboss.
Gremlins! They hit amazingly hard in one hit. Don't defend unless you have a shield. They'll also float arond you for a while before attacking, don't fall for it and leave counterattack stance, wait for them. If they persist, come out, shoot a bolt at them really quick, then enter it again immediately. This applies to all types outside of bosses. Once they hit low HP, below a fourth I think, they'll run away and hide against a wall and load defensive skills. Kill them in the next shot, or they'll attack you again. Flying swords, casters, basically imps but with more HP. Also of note is they hit fairly hard for casters, being swords and all, annnnd if you hit them with magic/knock them back with magic/do anything to them with magic they will heal fully. So melee only fellas. Laghodessas are spiders that hit harder. Yawn.
Boss! 5 Grey gremlins, and 5 werewolves. Gremlins you've delt with before. Werewolves are a touch harder, high melee passive defenses. They don't hit tooooo hard so if you have heavy armor on they might even hit for one. Only smash/windmill/firebolt and you'll be fine. Defense is fine to use even without a shield. Single aggro, so you don't have to bother pulling.
Advanced for two!Back down to three floors. Gremlins, chonchons, the long awaited goblin upgrade, Imps and Lost Sagahins. We've gone over Gremlins and Imps...
Chonchons! They have all the passive defenses and lightning bolt. They'll multi, so be aware of that, defense should be fine. Pull em out if you can, they're fairly sturdy. Goblin hunters/Goblin hunter archers! Goblins are back, and they're PISSED. Also they got appropriate gear. Now all goblins multi in this class of them, they can poison you, and have the normal set of stuff. They still hit pretty minorly, so defense should be fine (poison will not take if you defend), but the multi-ing can get nasty fast. Take archers out first as always, and remain on the defensive once you do, poison is nasty. Lost Sagahins explode. Use range or get exploded. Also if you ever see a ? skill, run away, they're probably blowing themselves up. Also: They say creepy ass things.
Boss! NEW GREMLIN PINK AND BLUE. Yes those are the actual names. Blue is immune to melee, and pink is immune to magic. Otherwise fairly normal gremlin stuff, just ramped up.
Advanced for three!Same monsters but one, spiked worm. TGhey hit surprisingly hard for their small size, and have level two of every passive defense to boot, so they're fairly sturdy. Try to avoid using defense too much.
Boss! NEW GREMLIN PINK BLUE AND GREEN! Same thing, but green is immune to ranged and will heal the other gremlins. Kill him first. That's all.
Advanced! One new enemy, Giant worm! Lotta HP, level two of every passive defense, low melee damage, defense is fine. Sturdyness is the big issue.
Boss! NEW GREMLIN PINK BLUE GREEN WHITE AND BLACK! THe two new guys, white and black aren't immune to anything. So again, take green first, then deal with the rest. Bring at least two damage types or you're done for.
Next time, Fidoh!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 13, 2012, 12:55:50 am
I desperately need gold. I'd go wyvern hunting like the mighty Aco but my chaincast firebolt wand is waaay expensive and my other fire wand needs to be proffed. So til then, I'll probably bum rides to Albey and maybe knock out an Albey Normal or two. With any luck, this will net me a Rabbie Basic which is real bank.
Or I could commerce til my fingers bleed. That works too. Got 20k from taking alchemy crystals to Belvast, and I'm really close to an elephant...
On a side note, I apparently have a quote from Ibid in my signature. Coooool.
e: Oh yeah, I need to go elemental collecting too. Dang.
Post by: Seriyu on September 13, 2012, 04:52:41 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 13, 2012, 11:05:18 pm
...Not as hard as with advanced magic but oh well.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 14, 2012, 01:03:23 am
So the maintenance was just to fix that bizzare bug where all the monsters on alexina channel 3 were in a guild. Oh well.
Poor maintenance personnel. Clearly, someone had to spend SIX HOURS logged in as the Kuraikage Guildmaster prot temp to manually out-guild every giant bear, fox, wolf, lost cat, water crow, town rat and kiwi in Erinn.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 14, 2012, 02:31:51 am
Code: [Select]
SELECT All_Monsters DELETE
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 14, 2012, 03:55:05 am
In fact, I bet they had to have a whole platoon of Nexon commandos login and hunt down every last one of the critters with special GM equipment. :P
Post by: Skyrunner on September 14, 2012, 03:59:32 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 14, 2012, 07:07:17 pm
It has just started. Time for 2x AP, it'll be up until monday. Have fun.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 14, 2012, 09:30:22 pm
DOUBLE RAINBOOOOOOOOOOW
It has just started. Time for 2x AP, it'll be up until monday. Have fun.
I initially read that as "I'll be up until Monday," and thought "Oh good, company!"
Post by: Skyrunner on September 14, 2012, 09:32:31 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 14, 2012, 11:15:34 pm
It's like being in a WW1 air combat simulator, where I'm the slow blimp with immense firepower and the wyverns are little fighters that are annoying but can still bring down the blimp.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2012, 12:38:52 pm
EDIT: I'm also calling on a Karu run during double rainbow. As some may recall, we'd collected pieces for a Karu before, but my net killed itself and I never managed to hand the statue to someone else. So I'm sitting on a 100% complete spider statue book that I can quickly trade for a full glowing statue. We can run Karu at any time, and I'd like to do so before rainbows disappear!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2012, 01:36:42 pm
For any mages out there, I have a few (around 3 or so?) extra Thunder page 3s, and can give them to you if you need them.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2012, 02:02:45 pm
Post by: Ricky on September 15, 2012, 02:15:05 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2012, 02:17:10 pm
Post by: Ricky on September 15, 2012, 02:18:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2012, 05:28:57 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sonlirain on September 15, 2012, 09:01:31 pm
Sadly i guess you can't use them all to attack something right?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2012, 09:45:47 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2012, 11:39:50 pm
Spoiler: how did that happen (click to show/hide)
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2012, 11:44:19 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 15, 2012, 11:46:00 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2012, 11:50:56 pm
Also: SURPRISE KARU. We're running it like right now.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2012, 11:59:57 pm
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 01:27:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 16, 2012, 01:27:56 am
Post by: Girlinhat on September 16, 2012, 01:31:56 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 16, 2012, 01:42:30 am
ALRIGHT so... my to do list, putting it here because why not
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
PS: There is a single Sunlight Herb in my homestead.
Post by: Seriyu on September 16, 2012, 01:43:19 am
For some reason the hack shield goes haywire whenever I try to update it. Darn it.
Are you getting an error message?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 16, 2012, 02:02:28 am
Also, Bari, 7200 for the waters, if you please. Failing that, 2 ice elementals. :P
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 10:51:21 am
Yes.For some reason the hack shield goes haywire whenever I try to update it. Darn it.
Are you getting an error message?
Post by: alexwazer on September 16, 2012, 11:32:05 am
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 11:41:08 am
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 02:22:59 pm
In 2007, when I still used to play Mabinogi in Korea, believe it or not, hackshield was completely bypassable without extensive use of third party programs. But since the update sometime between 2008 and 2009, DevCAT has come up with a method to stop users from doing that, by forcibly terminating mabinogi if the hackshield cannot be connected to the update server in an obvious attempt to stop hacking, which, as you see, turned out to be a miserable failure. My point is that even if you could not connect to the hackshield, you were able to run Mabinogi perfectly fine. Since I speak and read Korean, I went rooting around both korean websites and english websites, cross-searching the possible solutions that work universally.
"Hackshield is unable to connect to update server", the logical and rational solution anyone with basic knowledge of Windows would come up with disabling the firewall and turning off the anti-virus programs, which I tried both a few hours ago. Now, here's something that cought my eyes. I went to the game directory and found out that the update folder wasn't... quite empty. HSupdate was actually able to connect to the server, and managed to download a specific set of files before terminating the hackshield itself. So this is not a connection problem, hackshield could establish connection to the server, but was not able to maintain connection. What does this mean? First, I tried disabling any thirs party programs that uses the internet. Steam, Skype, Origins, you name it. Another attempt to run the game... failed. Then, I went to the processes tab of task manager, and something abominable was lurking there within the processes tab. Yes, the pando media booster. I cannot give any technical explanation as to why does pando media booster interfere with the hackshield, nor why hackshield cannot maintain the connection, since it requires experties in programming knowledge, which I unfortunately don't have, but I can tell you that downloading via pando media booster is one of the backbones of this problem.
I should tell you that the symptom of this problem is that the hackshield does not update, and you can visually see this problem occur by looking at the hackshield update progress bar. It never was successful at reaching the end of the bar, and it only goes to the 1/4 of the bar, then terminates. But before updating the launcher, the hackshield was able to reach the end of the bar. Coincidence? I think not. Hackshield is not developed by devCAT. In fact, it was developed by farmous (at least in Korea) company called 'Ahn lab', and hackshield has little to nothing to do with the game itself. The company maintains a library of hackshields for each and every one of Nexon games, organized by version number. Therefore, if I can assume that NA version of hackshield works the same way as Korean version does, the problem here would be that the hackshield cannot find the matching version of the game from the library.
Mabinogi... is a very unstable game. One of the previous developers from Nexon Korea once said anonymously on a website that, "Mabinogi is like a sinking ship, we patch up the numerous holes and damages all over the hull, but the very engine of the game is the problem, and someday, all the repairs we made can and will eventually terminally damage the game, resulting in massive rollback or ending of the service. I'm just glad that it didn't happen while I was in charge" This says alot, doesn't it, people? The game is basically all stitches and bandages right now. Throw in the pando media booster and let's see how that goes. Boom. 'Somehow' it interferes with the installation, usually if you are using wifi. and 'somehow' it fiddles with the mabinogi launcher, as the launcher updated itself twice, not the actual game. So the long story short, pando media booster fucks up the game and it can and will fuck your updates downloaded by your launcher. Read the first post and download directly. Thank you.
TL;DR: Download from nexon directly, not pando media booster. Same goes for the game updates.
I know that there are a lot of you who are going through shitty problems everytime the game updates, or even completely unable to play like I did. I hope this helped a little bit.
Post by: Seriyu on September 16, 2012, 04:44:22 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 16, 2012, 05:21:07 pm
Also, anon quotes are usually not reliable, if found solely on the net, by their very nature...
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 05:26:20 pm
So didja get it working then? :PWell, whadaya know? It's working like a charm.
Can you cite where that quote is from? :s
Also, anon quotes are usually not reliable, if found solely on the net, by their very nature...
Unfortunately it's very, very unreliable just like you said, mainly because it's the internet and also it is in korean... I could spend the next 5 hours trying to find out where I saw it, but... you know where this is going :P
Though I do know that the guy who said it was moved to developing Mabinogi 2, and one of his presentations can be found on youtube, even though it is in korean, if you guys happen to stumble upon it, like I did(I was googling in english, so it is very possible for you guys to find it), I am willing to do the translation. He basically used his... words in a much more less offensive ways on that prenstation to basically say pleione engine is not suitable for mabinogi 2
Post by: Skyrunner on September 16, 2012, 05:35:41 pm
But I'll have to see to know. Maybe after school xD
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 05:41:19 pm
Here's the elaborate installation process for the poor souls who cannot play mabinogi.
Note that this is only for those who are having issues regarding the hackshield.
1. Download mabinogi from the official website. Do not use the pando media booster. DO NOT USE THE PANDO MEDIA BOOSTER.
You will see 'If you have download problems with the Downloader, or would prefer to get the game client the old fashioned way, click here.'
below the giant button. Click 'click here' and download the file.
2. Now, right click on the setup file and run as administrator. This is very important.
3. When the installation is complete, do not run the game. Go the the game folder, and manually run hackshield.
4. Go the the 'Updates' folder within hackshield, and run 'HSUpdate'
5. (Optional) Go to the website again and download the latest patch.
The reason why this is optional is because the latest installer is already pre-patched.
6. Now, try running the game, the launcher will update and the game will refuse to open. You may now go somewhere isolated and cry yourself to sleep.
7. When you are back, go to the hackshield folder again, and copy ahnupctl.dll.
8. Go to the updates folder again, and paste it. Your game will work fine now.
In theory, you may have to do this everytime the game goes through major updates, you may even have to install the game again every major updates.
But hey, at least you got your game working, chin up.
Edit:
Huh. I think he actually meant that the engine is oooold, and moreover it uses cell shading, while M2 uses more advanced rendering..:
But I'll have to see to know. Maybe after school xD
Hmph, I dunno, I mean, back in korea we already went through one giant shitstorm, what I mean by that is that the server was down for a LONG time.
devcat claimed that they were trying to get rid of chinese hackers and all, but everyone knows that is not the case, for the hackers were still prevailent, and some of the in-game functions ceized working properly after the long server issues. So... yeah. The game was indeed falling apart, and the only reason why mabinogi's content is not updated simultaenuously all around the globe is because they have no idea what it's gonna do to the base game. It's more like... stacking things on top of each other over and over again.. until it falls. Like a sundae, perhaps! Also, his point there, iirc was that the engine processes things so inefficiently that it stresses the game too much. So.. yeah.
Post by: Seriyu on September 16, 2012, 06:32:39 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 16, 2012, 07:09:24 pm
Post by: fred1248 on September 16, 2012, 07:18:06 pm
My character is called Astrind. I rolled a bard and I'm planning to be a support / crafty character.
Edit: On a side note, 'small gems' you can find by killing low level monsters and hitting objects were originally called 'Marbles' in korean version, but I guess devcat changed it to small gem as they were localizing the game. Smart move, devcat, you prevented 'lost my marbles' jokes from bringing doom to us all.
Post by: Seriyu on September 16, 2012, 07:30:14 pm
Interesting about the marbles too.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 17, 2012, 02:18:17 am
Spoiler: Long post defending the Pleione engine (click to show/hide)
The only problem is that Mabinogi is probably a single-core game, and that they started using more complex polygons for their models. Compare the Slender Robe to the Star Robe, or the cheapest armor you can buy with the Grace Plate Armor, or the Rose Plate (S) type. The engine does what the game asks it to do. It just wasn't intended to draw all those complex polygons. D:I wondered why they translated small marbles as gems too. :V
Spoiler: Long convoluted post talking about economy (click to show/hide)
Also, I'm Korean too! Hi there! I recommend not playing a bard, because I did exactly what you did too, and feel like I wasted 150 AP. :P
Post by: fred1248 on September 17, 2012, 08:26:39 am
Also, now come on, compare this to 2007, bards are a lot less useless now. If you want to go around doing combats and all then I can see how problematic that can be for you, I however do not intend to doing anything like that. so there goes your recommendation!.
Addendum#1: I kinda wish we dropped the argument about the game engine. Clearly it is doing more harm than good, amd I feel like I started an wildfire. Because no one, including me, looks capable of citing things. I do not want this thread to become one of those locked-away cesspool, people.
Addendum#2: You speak better english than most koreans I met, where'd you learn to do so? :D
Post by: Skyrunner on September 17, 2012, 08:44:45 am
Check the OP for my Bard run-down.
Vivace needs a huge buff, maybe to 50%. March should be playable while moving. :<
Sure, compared to '07's magic music, it's better. But still not good enough.
If you exclude luxuries, it's easier to get things like ore, herbs, and misc. items.
This ain't a wildfire xD It's barely a brushfire. But yeah.
I am bilingual. That's all. :P I learned from my environment and books. Which is why I'm bad at theory of grammar.
Post by: fred1248 on September 17, 2012, 09:03:44 am
My character in Korean mabinogi was a worthless schmuck who could barely participate in combat, at least he had 1st rank playing instrument skill :)
Now I'll be able to DO something other then staring intently at the monsters, so I am content with the update.
For incompetency and beyond!
Post by: Skyrunner on September 17, 2012, 09:06:49 am
Well, my character in Mabinogi right now was a useless smuck until I learned Smash r9. :<
... To each their own. >.> <.<
Post by: majikero on September 17, 2012, 10:17:54 am
Post by: Girlinhat on September 17, 2012, 10:31:49 am
Post by: Skyrunner on September 17, 2012, 04:41:54 pm
You could get one of the bolt magic to rank1 and be just like Tarlach but more useful.More like Maurus with only Firebolt :D
Firebolt r1 makes you amazing at Ballooning.This a lot.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 17, 2012, 04:54:20 pm
Post by: fred1248 on September 17, 2012, 05:05:07 pm
Edit: Currently spending most of my time doing mainstream quests or stashing holy water. If you need a stack, add me, and I'll ship it to ya right away at 20k.
Disclaimer: price may be altered according to the market price, but I'll try to make it at least marginally cheaper than others.
Post by: Seriyu on September 17, 2012, 05:56:42 pm
Also ogre warriors aren't quite what they used to be (I think don can one shot them now, with smash? Maybe not), but yeah, rank 1 firebolt is definitely a major asset.
Also I'll add ya and get other people to add you to help you out with G1. Look out for that.
Post by: fred1248 on September 17, 2012, 06:00:26 pm
Oh god these angry horde of goblins really do hurt when you have an incompetent character.
Edit: Woah woah woah, I saw some guy buying a truckload of holywater via mail for 25k per stack, and now it's 15k. Looks like the price fluctuates fairly drastically, I'll just send you guys a stack for 15k then. Even if the price goes back up. ;D
Post by: Seriyu on September 17, 2012, 06:17:39 pm
Also, note to girlinhat, get the guild stone back up, because I keep forgetting to tell you in game and I'm not messaging you about it for some reason.. Unless it's already up in whichcase I should be changing the OP.
Also transfer Guild Officer rights from Mobliz to Bariaus, I'm on him more now.
Thank you in advance. Bwahah.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2012, 12:00:38 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 18, 2012, 12:11:32 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 19, 2012, 02:31:08 pm
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Roulette Bingo
September 19 - October 3, 2012
Gather some Coins and play Roulette Bingo! You could spin your way to a Metal Dye Ampoule, Beam Sword, and your very own Warp Imp Whistle!
Talk to Caravan Joe to start the event.
You’ll get 1 Roulette Bingo Coin every 30 minutes, and you can get more by killing monsters.
You can request a new Roulette Bingo Board from Caravan Joe every day.
Use your coins to spin the wheel and stamp numbers on your board.
You’ll get one AP Potion +5 and one Warp Imp Coupon once each day for spinning the wheel.
Stamp all the numbers in a row, column, or diagonal, and that’s Bingo!
Turn in your winning board for a Roulette Bingo Gift Box which contains 1 of many great prizes!
Take 10 Warp Imp Coupons to Caravan Joe for your very own Warp Imp Whistle!
Event Warp Imp has different features than the normal Warp Imp.
Blessed Rain Event
September 19 - October 16, 2012
Collect Blessed Cloud Crystals and turn them in to the Rain Messenger to receive Blessing Rain Gift Boxes, and even claim your very own Umbrella! If everyone works together, the Rain Messengers will call upon the Blessed Rain to shower everyone with EXP every 5 minutes!
Turn 30 Blessed Cloud Crystals in to the Rain Messenger to get 1 Blessed Rain Gift Box a day.
The Rain Messenger can be found in Tir Chonaill, Dunbarton, Emain Macha, Taillteann, and Tara.
If enough Blessing Cloud Crystals are turned in, the Blessed Rain will be summoned.
You can obtain an Umbrella from the Gift Box, or the Jumping in the Rain Character Cards.
Open your Umbrella to the skies during the rain and gain EXP every 5 minutes!
Fishing Event
September 19 - October 16, 2012
Anyone up for a little fishing?! Manus’ Bait is known for attracting things that are a little more exciting than fish!
Talk to Manus in the Healer's House and complete his quest to receive 100 Manus’ Bait.
More bait can be purchased from Walter in Dunbarton.
Use Manus’ Bait to fish, and you’ll catch all sorts of awesome prizes like the Fairy Feather Bow, Guardian Soul Stone, Nao Soul Stone, devCat Hat, and much more!
Fishing seems quite worth it, stack of 300 bait is 900 gold and I already fished up some cotton candy and 300mp and stamina pots. In stacks of 10.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2012, 03:19:44 pm
Also, guild stone back up, usual spot. Touch my stone~
Post by: majikero on September 19, 2012, 03:30:28 pm
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Talk to Caravan Joe located in Dunbarton square next to Upgrade Anvil to start the event.
You’ll get 1 Roulette Bingo Coin every 30 minutes, and you can get more by killing monsters.
You can request a new Roulette Bingo Board from Caravan Joe every day.
Use your coins to spin the wheel and stamp numbers on your board.
You’ll get one AP Potion +5 and one Warp Imp Coupon for spinning the wheel the first time each day.
Stamp all the numbers in a row, column, or diagonal, and that’s Bingo!
Turn in your winning board for a Roulette Bingo Gift Box which contains 1 of many great prizes!
Take 10 Warp Imp Coupons to Caravan Joe for your very own Warp Imp Whistle!
Event Warp Imp has different features than the normal Warp Imp.
Very important.
Post by: Seriyu on September 19, 2012, 04:01:27 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2012, 04:05:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 19, 2012, 07:01:53 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2012, 07:20:45 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 19, 2012, 09:26:09 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 20, 2012, 04:44:34 pm
Events are still up, hop on and gather tokens and crystals for admittantly poorly defined reasons.
Post by: fred1248 on September 20, 2012, 06:39:46 pm
I'm about 70% done, but the problem is that I have hit a wall.
Even if I finish this, there's no way that I can test it out in game because of my rD composing skill...
and I need to spend what, god knows how many hours trying to open nele's shop... *cries*
Post by: Seriyu on September 20, 2012, 07:40:58 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 20, 2012, 07:56:05 pm
Post by: fred1248 on September 20, 2012, 08:05:36 pm
Fred, want me to help? I have Composing 8 or 9.
Sounds great, I'll tell you when I'm done with it :)
Post by: Girlinhat on September 20, 2012, 08:17:15 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 21, 2012, 09:38:14 pm
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Welcome Mabinogians!
Experience the world through a fresh set of eyes! From September 21 - October 5, you’ll be able to Rebirth every 3 days during this event!
Rebirthing allows you to be reborn with a new look and age, while retaining your stats and skills. For more information on Rebirthing, check out the detailed Rebirth Guide right here!
The Mabinogi Team
Huzzah!
Post by: Girlinhat on September 21, 2012, 09:45:52 pm
Normally a free player can RB to 17 and wait 3 weeks.
A paid player may purchase a RB card, but only use them every 7 days.
During the event, a paid player may RB every 3 days, with a purchased card each time.
Post by: Spinal_Taper on September 21, 2012, 09:59:09 pm
Post by: majikero on September 21, 2012, 10:14:57 pm
Post by: Spinal_Taper on September 21, 2012, 10:16:00 pm
you could use the email account you made it with.It wants the ID explicitly. Or I've got it really, really wrong.
Post by: Seriyu on September 21, 2012, 10:20:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2012, 11:09:24 pm
Also Baol Baol go go go self
Post by: Spinal_Taper on September 21, 2012, 11:26:56 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2012, 11:27:45 pm
Also wow holy shit Baol is pain
e: Floor 3 done. I am still the only casualty.
ee: Okay we're in front of the boss room. Hi, Mr. Cruiach!
eee: Suddenly Mr. Cruiach is dead? In other news, Don is really really goddamn strong.
Post by: fred1248 on September 22, 2012, 11:00:14 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have finished composing For River/To The Moon - Johnny's version from the game To The Moon. Feel free to try it out, and tell me what you think. It's my first project, so the code may be slightly sloppy and there might be some unneeded parts. I'll spend some time later to weed those out. :D You'll need r8 composing to make a music scroll out of this. Now to compose For River - Sarah and Tommy's version!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 22, 2012, 11:58:49 pm
Also, AP. I need it. Badly... but then who doesn't?
Post by: Spinal_Taper on September 23, 2012, 03:54:10 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 23, 2012, 04:25:00 pm
I got to the first RP quest, 3 missing warriors. Where would I find 2 other people to do the quest with me?You don't need other people, you're basically way OP in there anyway.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 23, 2012, 06:15:30 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 23, 2012, 06:47:00 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 23, 2012, 10:09:26 pm
Post by: fred1248 on September 23, 2012, 10:22:56 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 23, 2012, 10:24:42 pm
I mean... I payed like 220 gold for that thing! And like 2 stamina! D:
It had luck on it!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 25, 2012, 12:51:07 am
Also, a fun fact: So Rundal means "confidential" or "secret" in Celtic/Gaelic. The name of the song that plays there is "Watery Secret". Geddit hurr hurr hurrr
How do stairs even work there anyway? I mean there's water all around on the first floor, then you go down and there's more water? That's one hell of a floor they got...
Post by: Skyrunner on September 25, 2012, 01:03:45 am
Go figure. :D
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 25, 2012, 02:51:57 am
Well, in Fiodh, if you go downstairs it's more forest.
Go figure. :D
And Baol, each of the five floors has natural lava channels. Let's hope it never sees high magnitu----OH NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 25, 2012, 11:53:42 pm
Also, I'm going to need a hand or two for Taillteann Defensive Battle for G9 soon. Tomorrow, the day after, just soon.
e: To make this post slightly less useless, I'd just like to say:
Quote from: http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/View.aspx?boardNo=101&contentNo=00FHy
The life of a trader is increasingly chaotic in these times, with ruthless bandits causing mayhem at every turn... But on September 26, 2012, a partner who will infuse more excitement into your trading life hits the Premium Shop!Looks like it has to be a little girl though. I think. Shame they don't tell us how much it'll cost...
The Commerce Partner is the perfect companion for all traders. When trading, she can hold onto some of your items, increasing your Trade Inventory +1 and Weight +100! Also, if knocked unconscious, she can revive you once a day in real time!
. . .
The Commerce Partner will be available until 11 A.M on Thursday, October 11, 2012. Don't miss out this great opportunity to have a great friend for a happier fantasy life in Mabinogi!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 26, 2012, 05:57:08 am
Hopefully it's up by the time I am!
Post by: Skyrunner on September 26, 2012, 06:48:15 am
Commerce pet sounds like a huge help for soloing :<
Post by: JimDale on September 26, 2012, 08:47:00 pm
I'll have a picture of my Green Bean sword up soon, so Art/AaronIII can grind his teeth and call me a "lucky ***" (yet again) every time I log in.
Sorry, I messed up the names. :P
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 26, 2012, 09:17:46 pm
Figured it out!
Also, I noticed some folks on the Nexon forums talking about trading their maids. I'm not sure how that works or if it is even actually possible, but they seemed to know what they were talking about. Does anyone happen to know anything about exchanging pets..?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 26, 2012, 09:54:17 pm
At first, I was like :o :o :o but then I remembered.Then, while filling a bottle of viagra for one of my regulars, it struck me that the "partner" may actually be a "pet," so I'll give that a whirl.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 26, 2012, 09:58:56 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 26, 2012, 10:25:21 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 26, 2012, 10:32:14 pm
There's something substantially wrong in this statement. Something along the lines of "why does viagra make you think about a permanently child-like partner?"
Psh, you can't diss someone for making a deliberately awkward/ironic statement. Getting desperate, aren't we? :)
Post by: Girlinhat on September 26, 2012, 10:49:29 pm
(Your hate shall not be forgotten. My secret book is filled with many interesting little footnotes...)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2012, 12:54:03 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 28, 2012, 03:05:49 am
So, tomorrow, G8 finale, it involves dragons. Anyone wanna come with meto a fiery death?
I'll be a chip in your pile, provided you can wait until around 7:30 PM PST. ;)
If not, no sweat. Afterward, we should make ourselves some bank on a few of those super commerce 12k runs. :P
Post by: alexwazer on September 28, 2012, 11:20:26 am
Anyway, count me in for any dragon fight. However, I will need help in return for the wyvern hunting part of G8.
Post by: Seriyu on September 28, 2012, 04:02:01 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 28, 2012, 04:18:08 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 28, 2012, 04:32:48 pm
Come on, work... be over more quickly. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2012, 04:33:37 pm
I think people at Nexon lost their mind, giving free inventory space?They had minds to begin with? Just kidding Nexon I love you sometimes
Anyway, count me in for any dragon fight. However, I will need help in return for the wyvern hunting part of G8.You got it, sonny.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 28, 2012, 05:24:18 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 28, 2012, 05:42:59 pm
Also keep in mind: This is the last weekend of DR, correct? I rebirth this weekend, so I'll be rather quickly spamming out some levels and then doing a lot of rafting. Mandatory rafting leeching will be in effect. If you are online and not rafting with me... well, notes will be made.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2012, 06:05:58 pm
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 28, 2012, 07:07:25 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 28, 2012, 07:13:42 pm
Can we do things besides stand in front and soak hits? :PYou can distract the jumpers as well.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 28, 2012, 10:03:23 pm
Can we do things besides stand in front and soak hits? :PYou can distract the jumpers as well.
I shall train Natural Shield!
Post by: Seriyu on September 28, 2012, 10:26:01 pm
Fragmentation (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Fragmentation)
Metal Conversion (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Metal_Conversion)
And Synthesis (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Synthesis)
So if you need any of that mail it at me. Please make sure you're at the right rank for training, I'm still around rank F. I can do it even if it's outside requirementsb ut you might wanna wait a little bit if you care about the result at all.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 28, 2012, 11:23:22 pm
Please don't D: It's a master trap! Part of G7-8, that shabbiest of Gs. Mana Shield is neat, though.Can we do things besides stand in front and soak hits? :PYou can distract the jumpers as well.
I shall train Natural Shield!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 29, 2012, 12:54:12 am
Spoiler: For the G8 guy specifically, real dragons are tougher (click to show/hide)
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 29, 2012, 12:56:49 am
Please don't D: It's a master trap! Part of G7-8, that shabbiest of Gs. Mana Shield is neat, though.Can we do things besides stand in front and soak hits? :PYou can distract the jumpers as well.
I shall train Natural Shield!
Haha, was mostly joking, gonna use it, but not train it. I have more important places to put my AP. Like Gold Strike.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 29, 2012, 12:57:28 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 30, 2012, 12:55:52 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 30, 2012, 01:24:20 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 01, 2012, 01:32:59 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 01, 2012, 03:06:08 pm
15% vendor tax.
Post by: Seriyu on October 02, 2012, 07:14:45 pm
Post by: alexwazer on October 02, 2012, 08:39:03 pm
A good trans is also reccomended so everything doesn't one shot you twice in a row.
Fixed that :P
Also worth noting that this was on intermediate level. Anyone level 300+ will have that much more Fun.
Post by: Seriyu on October 04, 2012, 12:42:19 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 05, 2012, 11:51:26 pm
I think the guild stone is about to go down again fairly soon too, so if you wanna get in without waiting for another month, now is the time. (Unless GirlInHat logs on to renew the guild before it expires)
Post by: Skyrunner on October 06, 2012, 02:13:10 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 06, 2012, 08:56:45 am
Post by: Skyrunner on October 06, 2012, 09:01:40 am
Post by: Girlinhat on October 06, 2012, 10:06:27 am
Who was I supposed to pass guild-ship over to? Ibid?
Post by: Seriyu on October 06, 2012, 07:16:07 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 07, 2012, 01:47:39 am
Also I was thinking earlier (whoa, me, think? impossible!) and you know those illustrated dungeon thing you long-time players used to have? I was thinking we could start those up again, and maybe throw in some shadow mission runs too so people will know what to expect. Seeing as you've done all the Uladh dungeons besides Coill (I think) and the Iria ones, it might be kinda cool. I think. I'd help too if this is actually a good idea.
Post by: alexwazer on October 07, 2012, 02:51:35 am
So we finiahed G9 again today. It's reportedly much easier when there are more people. Just ask if you want slaying to happen.
Nevermind people. It's bears you want, lots of bears. A few raccoons always help too. Oh and some Ibid, you need at least one Ibid. It can take a while to find one, but totally worth waiting.
As for the dungeon image thingy, yeah might be a good idea. I won't do that myself however, because I always forget to take screenshots, always.
Post by: Seriyu on October 07, 2012, 09:17:48 pm
Basically the boss isn't quite as bad as you'd think but it'll still totally mess you up if you stop watching for tells. And if you don't know what the tells are, I hope you have HP 100 pots!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 08, 2012, 11:36:29 pm
Mosts tests know how to use Stomp, unfortunately.
Who was I supposed to pass guild-ship over to? Ibid?
As your faithful Steward, I vow to uphold my duties of committing new players to the guild and spending mountains of gold on only the most superficial guild upgrades. My duty to moderate, on the other hand, I shall shirk completely and leave up to you, Seriyu. :P
In other news, since things have been relatively (and regretfully:() uneventful these past couple of days, I've had plenty of time to grind out just a few Part-time jobs...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As exciting as it was to... accumulate all of those, I'd be up for some commerce, Shadow Missions, Theatre shenanigans, general exploration, and especially helping anyone thinking of joining up acclimate. :D
Post by: Skyrunner on October 08, 2012, 11:50:33 pm
So much stuff.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 09, 2012, 12:18:30 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 09, 2012, 12:36:07 am
Don't trust your new guild leader, guys, he's a dark wizard. Here's the part where half of us quit in a rage and then necromancers attack, and he sacrifices himself to save some random person who will go on to defeat the immortal king of necromancers.
Lo, the last chapter of this great saga, whence at last the eternal vendetta between Dark Wizard and Necromancer shall be settled for all time!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 09, 2012, 01:32:49 am
Post by: alexwazer on October 09, 2012, 04:49:21 am
There's been a serious drop in activity recently and those few left will (I will) get bored of chatting with themselves before long. So, during a random conversation I had with Ibid, the idea of allowing non-B12 members came up. That of course would not mean free-for-all admission, but hand picking interested and interesting players from within the game could bring a bit more activity into the guild.
There is another reason why I decided to bring the subject here now: Mabinogi shall soon be available through Steam. Nexon staff is currently conducting a survey to find players interested in beta testing Mabi on Steam. Considering how it went for their other games, it can be expected to officially launch shortly after and results in a large influx of new players. So if we ever want to open to "outsiders", this would be the best time.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 09, 2012, 06:43:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 09, 2012, 06:59:56 pm
Note that if we ever hit the cap I'm gonna start booting alts/inactives, starting with my own though. I'll try to run alt booting by people before I do it though.
Annnd finally when the steam release finally happens, I'll be making a new thread and revamping that now horribly outdated OP, so that should drum up some more B12 support.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 10, 2012, 03:10:26 am
First and foremost, I would like to remind everyone that I intend to keep a permanent house in the residential zones and will those be able to sell popular items on the board for a 15% sales tax. Many of you have already taken advantage of this offer, and are presently rolling in dough.
With that said, it is with great honor and slight pomp that I hereby declare the grand opening of the official Fjallheim
Mabinogi has been described as a "slow-burning game," which definitely has its perks, but by that same token even simple progression can be a long a grueling process, partly owed to the initial difficulty of simultaneously filling your purse, acquiring, and maintaining gear.
To that end, I will henceforth (and until further notice) be offering sweet golden compensation in exchange for commonly sought goods from guild mates young and old alike. Note that, although I will not pay full market price for these items, I will be purchasing them consistently and at a flat rate, which saves you the trouble of hunting down buyers and haggling with them, and gives a little more incentive for completing part-time jobs. What's more, a certain number of particular goods I receive (holy water) will be stockpiled for discount resale to fellow guildies. The rest will be sold to the larger community to turn a tidy profit, or at least ward off crushing bankruptcy. :P
Currently, I will be purchasing the following goods at the corresponding rates...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Suggestions for additions are welcome, but bear in mind that even my gold and inventory space are finite. :)
Annnd finally when the steam release finally happens, I'll be making a new thread and revamping that now horribly outdated LP, so that should drum up some more B12 support.
Tell me when you do this! If it's alright with you, I would like to preserve the second/third/whichever post for a sort of "job board" that we can all use to advertise our interests, i.e. having a weapon proffed, purchasing cheap leather, etc...!
Also, I like the idea of allowing outsiders into the guild, on the condition that they receive a positive referral from a fellow B12er.
...And in time, we shall cease the toil that is beneath us, and take our rightful place as lording supreme race of Mabinogi, served faithfully by our loyal dregs! :D
Post by: Skyrunner on October 10, 2012, 04:45:51 am
Also, I think holy water should be bought cheaper :p
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 10, 2012, 05:00:08 am
I suggest only buying large gems. The smaller ones aren't useful much xD
Also, I think holy water should be bought cheaper :p
I may adjust prices with activity, not to mention supply and demand. Presently, HW has been pretty scarce!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 10, 2012, 05:03:57 pm
Post by: alexwazer on October 11, 2012, 01:29:29 am
The ambush still show up on the map, but since nothing spawns, they don't even activate. You can finally crush with your elephant the pathetic imps waiting to ambush. Well, at least you can just walk right by them. Don't know if this will be fixed before the scheduled maintenance tomorrow morning, but it's beein that way for several hours already. So anyone interested in quick/easy gold/ducats/exp should take advantage of that.
Post by: Seriyu on October 11, 2012, 04:27:00 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 11, 2012, 07:19:47 pm
Are the NPCs dead like before too or is this an old fashioned monster server incident? :P
I wasn't on at the time, but yesterday's maintenance seems to have fixed (or coincided with the fix of) the problem. Sheep, wolves, and NPCs are back and appear to be fully functional. ;)
Post by: Seriyu on October 11, 2012, 07:36:54 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on October 11, 2012, 07:40:53 pm
All my PT jobs are reset to 1.
And i need 100 Blacksmith jobs to rank up BS.
Also the game crashes on me like crazy.
Post by: alexwazer on October 11, 2012, 08:06:35 pm
I was far from being the only one to take advantage of the situation, almost everyone online was doing commerce.
The maintenance this morning fixed the server, so now I'm back to G11.
All my PT jobs are reset to 1.
And i need 100 Blacksmith jobs to rank up BS.
Also the game crashes on me like crazy.
You need to do a ptj at least once every 3 days to avoid losing progress. After 3 days, you love 1 completion every 24 hours.
So if you (or anyone else) care about ptj, trying to log in a few minutes every 3 days or so remains highly recommanded.
Nothing I can say about the crashing however. I didn't have much issues with crashing lately and none at all in the past 3 days.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 11, 2012, 11:12:56 pm
/boastboastboast
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 12, 2012, 03:21:18 am
Hey guys, I fished up a devCAT hat.
/boastboastboast
Your poor inventory!
Somehow, though, I think that having a big yellow cat with a capital "X" for a butt sitting on your might suit you, Dir!
Congrats! :D
Post by: alexwazer on October 12, 2012, 07:42:22 am
I would if not for goddamned Cai requiring to be kept alive. However, I don't fancy failing this mission because Cai decided that punching some wizard with advanced heavy stander and 16k HP sounds like a good plan.
A note for those planning to continue G11: get tons of MP potions before doing the missions with Cai and Leymore. Their AI is horrible. I got from rB to rA healing just from keeping them alive... getting 0.1 skill training per use. Thankfully they have tons of HP, so it's almost impossible to lose from them dying if you keep them healed.
Finally, Peaca normal doesn't scare me quite as much now. A group of people (6-8) with capabilities similar to Kyu's, not even considering demigod which I didn't use, could probably handle Peaca normal. Basic would be a different story because of the giants fireflies. That doesn't mean it would be a walk in the park or that red/blue ghost wouldn't wrecked us every now and then. Those are still kinda scary, but manageable in 1 vs 1.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 12, 2012, 08:12:03 am
Post by: majikero on October 12, 2012, 08:19:06 am
Also, I'm part of the low but not-quite-minimum-paid work force for six days a week so I don't get alot of free time to play.
Post by: Seriyu on October 12, 2012, 05:07:48 pm
And Kyu(noko) is Donryu's alchemist/melee character.
And yeah I'd heard horror stories about that mission. Luckily I will be back tomorrow I think.
Post by: alexwazer on October 12, 2012, 05:13:58 pm
I'll be back to college next monday, so won't have as much time to play either, so I try to get as much before that.
May I ask who Kyu is, and why it doesn't scare you anymore?
Kyu is one of my three characters. The one with the lowest total level, but still better in combat than my elf who's focused on magic.
Also, I didn't say Peaca doesn't scare me anymore, just that it doesn't scare me as much. Red/blue ghost are still scary. I'm not as scared because during G11, you do have to run a dumbed down version of peaca normal: same enemies for the most part, but only 1 floor and 1-2 enemies per rooms. I did that dungeon solo with Kyu, whos much weaker than my main character; about half the strength, a quarter the dexterity, no mana shield (Don has rA or 9), only r6 trans skill (Don has r3), no other trans skill (r9 power and sword of order for Don) and is currently a 12 years old with alchemist destiny (i.e. yay! extra stamina...)
I'm quite aware that 1 vs 1 is usually easier to handle than 3 vs 3 or 6 vs 6. I wouldn't expect peaca normal to be an easy dungeon, but a few people with r1 smash and r5+ windmill could eventually overcome the challenge. Probably not without death, but if you wait until you can run a dungeon without dying to do it, you are waiting too long :P
Ninjaed slightly, but too lazy to change post, so...
Edit: Just noticed that G17 released has been scheduled for October 24th: new talents system, new life skills and bigger ore stacks coming soon.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 12, 2012, 09:32:03 pm
With any luck, I should be back tomorrow evening. :P
Post by: Seriyu on October 12, 2012, 11:11:21 pm
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Edit: Just noticed that G17 released has been scheduled for October 24th: new talents system, new life skills and bigger ore stacks coming soon.
yesssssss
Post by: alexwazer on October 13, 2012, 12:12:03 am
QuoteEdit: Just noticed that G17 released has been scheduled for October 24th: new talents system, new life skills and bigger ore stacks coming soon.
yesssssss
Not too excited about it myself. Sure stacks of 50 ores are nice, but if talents really replace destinies, I'll be missing the merchant one very much. None of the talents give as good bonus as the merchant destiny while also giving double training for blacksmith, carpentry and weaving.
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 01:40:32 am
Post by: alexwazer on October 13, 2012, 02:48:35 am
Spoiler: I lied (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 13, 2012, 02:50:10 am
I hadn't heard anything to the effect of talents actually replacing/negating destinies before- I thought the two would compliment each other... unless... are destinies getting nerfed..?
And how has traffic been? I'm a bit
You know, we never did work our way into Peaca for that lesson in humility I was promised...
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 02:58:08 am
Post by: alexwazer on October 13, 2012, 03:00:24 am
People have fled Mabi. And I'm about to do the same if the situation doesn't change soon. I don't need a MMO to chat with myself. I do that as much as I want IRL, without having to deal with buggy client or lag.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 13, 2012, 03:25:41 am
Traffic? I think I might have saw Dir and Aco in the last 2 days. Maybe.
People have fled Mabi. And I'm about to do the same if the situation doesn't change soon. I don't need a MMO to chat with myself. I do that as much as I want IRL, without having to deal with buggy client or lag.
Come on, none of this here, please. It doesn't look good to prospective players, nor do the game justice. The majority of folks who aren't "into" the game right now are either busy with their business/education, or burnt out from a two and a half month summer Mabi binge If you're worn out, just take a break, but don't make it shortcomings.
Post by: alexwazer on October 13, 2012, 03:33:27 am
I'm barely saying that I'm losing interest quickly because no one from the guild show up. Dunno what's bothering you about that ???
Unless it's the mention of buggy client and lag that bothers you? But it's true, client is far from stable and lag has been bad in the past 2 months or so.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 08:18:27 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 05:01:08 pm
First of all, THANK YOU to everyone that's been posting in the thread and keeping it active, this is the RIGHT THING TO DO. Lookin atchu Ibid and Alexwazer. Good on the both of ya.
Now plans for the future, Inviting randoms. I think this is probably the best idea, but I'm not giving up on the B12 audience or anything either. We need to get new people and as much as several (most really) people in the guild seem to dislike randoms, I honestly think most of them aren't terrible, even if they're not always very good at the game. We can always fix that last part anyway. We need to get on doing this if we're gonna do it. It was like a week ago when people brought it up and no one has invited anybody new. I realize we're looking for higher quality folks, just a heads up. Dunno if anyone is working on this. If they are then okay we're good.
Getting B12 into this, three things need to happen. One, the topic needs to be fairly active. You've been doing this, so good work, first step done. Two, we need to have people posting stuff that is happening in game. This is what I mean when posting in the thread about pretty much anything you can't solo. Got a G quest that you need help on? Post in the thread! Set a date, etc. Don't worry so much about allowing EVERYONE to go along, and timing it as such, because again if we do this enough then we won't need to treat this stuff as such a rare occurance. And three, probably the hardest one, we need to set some long term goals for the guild as a whole. They don't have to be super mega epic or anything, just something to set eyes on. The second point will largely help with this, but setting goals for newer people will help too. If they manage it in a week or something, they get a fancy thing. It keeps people interested (doubly so in B12, where a lot of folks seem to be very goal oriented), and it adds guild activity.
Sooo that's that. I realize we've got like five people active in the guild right now, if that, but if we're gonna get new people we've gotta offer somethin, and there's my thoughts on the matter, feel free to chip in ideas and your own two cents and so on and so forth.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 05:43:32 pm
ALSO I'm going to take some pictures of Peaca Less-than-normal/Easymode. Coming soon. I'll probably double-post it up and write it like one of those guides we used to have. Or we still have but we don't make anymore.
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 13, 2012, 05:47:48 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on October 13, 2012, 06:00:51 pm
It's the loss of all PT job progress and having a 50% chance of the game crashing my entire PC every time i Login or logoff that turns me off this game.
Not to mention that damned G3 quest i want to complete but nothing seems to fix the damn book bug.
I might be buying a new PC next month or so so chancess are the game won't derp out on it.
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 06:08:43 pm
So yeah you're both fine, ain't no thang. I wish I could help with the crashing but I really dunno what'd be causing it. If you're on windows 7, Vista, or XP, you should run it with admin privledges, that supposedly helps.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 06:36:45 pm
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...this should probably be linked in the OP as an example of what NOT to do when writing dungeon guides.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 13, 2012, 08:18:10 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98571.msg3497887#msg3497887
The above is a link to Peaca Basic xD Cloakers are no-magic. No-one cares about ranged, because everyone knows it's stupid :P
(at least, before the archery system was buffed with bow/crossbow mastery, Crash Shot, and extended upgrades...)
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 09:03:04 pm
Also, I'm looking for them Mystic Pearls. You can find them by fishing at Abb Neagh. I'll pay 1k for each pearl, but I'll only take them in groups of 5. So.. 5k for 5 pearls. Only accepting a certain amount of pearls. This offer only applicable to US citizens 18 years or older. No purchase required to win. Other fine printy stuff here.
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 09:12:11 pm
Also steam chat still appears to be exploded for me, for all that it concerns.
EDIT: Dir the steam chat is exploded I can't respond to you seriously
EDIT: Seriously when I hit enter it just says "acrticbat is offline, message could not be sent" because steam is a dumb; also you have a typo in your name
EDIT: Okay, as long as you're sure the typo is there
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 09:30:18 pm
Anyway that Python Knight is goin' down today whether he likes it or not. Then... G11 semifinale! Who's up?! I know Don/Kyu is, most likely, because he needs to do it too and screw advanced missions seriously.
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 09:31:46 pm
EDIT: I think you use the shadow stone thing to block shadow death. Also random bystanders yes I'm using this to chat at SirAaron with. Please bear with me. If it gets too long I'll spoiler tag it, do not worry.
EDIT: I can't change my status dir
EDIT: Okay, I will play terraria when you ask later
EDIT: Yes I am. teehee
EDIT: Oh, I see.
Post by: majikero on October 13, 2012, 09:35:52 pm
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Post by: majikero on October 13, 2012, 09:42:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 09:45:18 pm
I seriously didn't even know about that, wooooow I cannot wait for that.
Also yeah, new combat tree after this coming patch, also awesome.
Post by: majikero on October 13, 2012, 09:47:55 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2012, 09:54:31 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2012, 09:56:35 pm
Spoiler: How to win against Python Knight (click to show/hide)
Anyway G11 semifinale is now what I'm on but I want to play something else now. Tomorrow.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 14, 2012, 02:45:02 am
WOAHOO WHAT DAILY AP I NEED TO KNOW MORE
I seriously didn't even know about that, wooooow I cannot wait for that.
Also yeah, new combat tree after this coming patch, also awesome.
I am excited, sounds like there is quite a bit in store. As for the AP quest, an Outsider I met had mentioned that. I'll ask her for details. :P
Post by: alexwazer on October 14, 2012, 03:05:56 am
S3 would also change the G9-16 so that quests reward AP and allowing players who already completed them to receive the AP too. It would also change how the missions level are determined, based on talents rank instead of total level. I'll probably put on hold the G9+ missions on my characters, except for Kyu because I do want the alchemy skills.
I'm a lot more excited about this update then the first and second season of G17.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 14, 2012, 08:22:56 am
Also, did you see me shouting about Python Knight killing me yesterday, Ibid? Said you were online on channel 3 but you didn't answer. Then Aco appeared and I cheapo'd out of the battle.
Post by: alexwazer on October 14, 2012, 07:56:14 pm
Also, I'm up for G11 pre-finale tonight if you feel like it. Just the 2 of us could probably manage to do it easily enough. No rush however, although I might give it another try solo for the lulz if we aren't going to do it tonight :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 14, 2012, 10:40:04 pm
Spoiler: How to win G11 (click to show/hide)
Post by: alexwazer on October 14, 2012, 11:00:15 pm
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Edit: Since it's nice to know what other people are talking about and those last 2 messages are somewhat lacking in that regard, this is what you're facing during G11 finale
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You need to first hit the body part to bring a head down, then to hit the head itself. There is a fourth head in the background, but because my computer is horrible I have to cut view distance which made this mission a lot more Fun than it should have been. Each of the four head must be defeat, but they will continue attacking even after being individually "killed" until all four are down.
Post by: JimDale on October 14, 2012, 11:11:12 pm
Also poor internet for (2 weeks now?) a while has led to me giving up after about five minutes of playing whenever I do have time to actually do anything extraneous.
EDIT: All this talk about G11 is making me feel rather lame. :P
I've been on G1 for 7-8 weeks and haven't done anything story-line related for four of those.
EDIT II: This was posted at 11:11:12 PM. One second away from mathematically insignificant time, but whatever.
Post by: Seriyu on October 14, 2012, 11:38:22 pm
Even so, still not a huge deal what with rebirthing and all.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 15, 2012, 12:26:08 am
Anyway I tried catching some mystic pearls myself and after 128 bait, I've caught about 3. I'll bump up my offer to 4k a pearl, but only in stacks of at least 5, and up to a certain degree.
e: Also, who wants a bunch of fish? Ask me (Direzie) in-game about what I have. Mostly sweetfish. Somebody cook all this fish, I'm not even kidding.
ee: Maybe we could even work out a deal. I give you fish, you give me pearls. Though if you have pearls, you probably don't want any more fish because you got fish getting the pearls. So.. never mind, unless somebody really wants fish for whatever reason.
Post by: alexwazer on October 15, 2012, 06:30:01 am
Anyway, I've been planning to rank up synthesis for a while. I want it to duplicate crystals and ingots mostly, but could also be used in an attempt to make money from creating rare equipment. Once I get the skill at a decent rank, I'll be happy to duplicate anything for others, as long as they can provide material.
Post by: krisslanza on October 15, 2012, 08:59:58 am
Post by: alexwazer on October 15, 2012, 09:40:44 am
Post by: majikero on October 15, 2012, 09:51:28 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 15, 2012, 04:54:07 pm
And yeah, blacksmithing, I've been working on metal conversion, which helps a ton, and we have a few other prospective alchemists which speeds it up a lot. Like breaking down certain equips to get the ingots back and have another go at it, breaking down ingots back into ore, if you wanna rank refining, etc. Metal conversion is the big one. All(See: about half) that copper is suddenly silver! Or those unknown ore fragments are suddenly iron! It's pretty rad.
Also, with the next patch coming up, there is litterally no better time to get back into it, as the next patch not only adds a mining mastery skill (increases mining success rate), but it also increases the ore stack size to 50, which would make actually clearing out an entire dungeon of one type of ore possible, among other fairly awesome things.
So yeah, to reiterate, c'moooon do it c'moooon. Bahaha.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2012, 12:29:07 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 16, 2012, 06:02:23 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2012, 06:11:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 16, 2012, 08:22:28 pm
Also the torrent of events is over, and my stash of blessed cloud crystals is now only good for synthesis. The title of the thread has been updated accordingly.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2012, 08:46:28 pm
It might be nice to give it a shot. Apparently they are like swarms and swarms of dog things, so we are apparently required to blast them with huge magicks. Then put a windmiller on the altar to take out the ones that can get past. I'm not sure how well this will work until we actually try.
But G12 rush first.
Post by: krisslanza on October 16, 2012, 09:17:38 pm
Assuming you already ranked blacksmith, an easier way to get PTG count up is to do them with Ferghus. His PTJs only take a few minutes: starts at noon in-game and allows you to report at 13:00 (1 PM). Surely you can find 3 minutes or so every few days to do a ptj :P
I didn't think about that. Only REAL problem is, even doing that, it's about 30 minutes per day, and if I used all my freetime (5-7 hours, maybe) that's only about 10-14 PTJs so it'd take about 2 weeks... of course, not counting time dumped into a weekend. Also Ferghus is creepy yo.
I'll consider it, but I also wanna get back into Vindictus too. TOO MANY GAMES, NOT ENOUGH TIME AAAH. Oh also Loren Amazon Princess is fun stuff too (not an MMO)...
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2012, 11:33:56 pm
Let's do this anyway! First couple pages come from high difficulty shadow missions, so we're out of luck there. Instead, pages 1 2 and 10 come from ancient monsters. If anyone finds any, it would be greatly appreciated if you handed them to either me or Kyunoko because he needs em too.
Also: Heat Buster is so awesome. Water cannon psh Heat Buster is where it's at. Fire alchemy forever right Bari?!?1/1/ Fire magic too, for that matter. Dang, I sure love firebolts.
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2012, 01:03:07 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2012, 04:30:45 pm
Patch in seven days. It'd be an awesome way to start off the game, as it alters a pretty big part of it, for anyone who's still on the fence.
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2012, 06:08:22 pm
For a good reason. One, the mabinogi website has a new layout. It looks pretty nice! And the "hot time" event is on. I'll just link the wikipedia page as it's kind've complicated. THE QUICKENING (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Hot_Time_Event).
So enjoy that ya'll.
Post by: Graknorke on October 17, 2012, 06:18:14 pm
Has the old one ever changed? I'm pretty sure it was that last design for about 2 years.
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2012, 06:32:20 pm
And apparently the quickening event isn't on quiiite yet, as the meter hasn't appeared. But it's on the little image ticker thing, so I'd imagine it'll eventually show up.
EDIT: Oh "Hot Time events, coming soon!" hurf.
EDIT2: Oh, here's the news on the hot time event and free items. Here. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Events/1/00FN7)
Two of the free items are a fine reforging tool and a whoppin 50 AP potion.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 17, 2012, 09:21:46 pm
Also I'M ABOUT TO FINISH G12 EEEEEE
e: Just kidding. Who would have thought, The Golden Apple shadow mission is INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. Seriously they roflstomped white-knight-demigod Bari. So I'm calling for aid because alone, or even Bari and I, are not good enough for this. The boss kind of shadow wizards, a dark commander (probably also the strong kind), and a couple shadow archers who didn't even aggro us because we were too busy dying... and that's one wave.
Sounds like FUN right guys?!!?!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 18, 2012, 12:33:11 am
Spoiler: Regular Switch Spawns of The Golden Apple (click to show/hide)
This will take all the help we can get, yessir...
Post by: Seriyu on October 18, 2012, 04:53:45 pm
Check the two posts above for more specific info!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 18, 2012, 10:50:31 pm
SO tomorrow's plan for me involves doing Golden Apple, which we could still use plenty of help for. Then I'll attach myself to Iria on my giant to get some exploration levels in and also slaughter ancients by the ton. The reason I am not slaughtering ancients is because I am experiencing lag on my side from somebody undoubtedly downloading something. It will be over by tomorrow though so that is when excitement is gonna happen.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 19, 2012, 01:06:22 am
I am experiencing lag on my side from somebody undoubtedly downloading something.
You need to borrow my Mossberg, bro? 8)
Post by: Seriyu on October 19, 2012, 06:04:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2012, 06:18:37 pm
Nah, it's cool now, we threw down and did some good old-fashioned wrasslin'.I am experiencing lag on my side from somebody undoubtedly downloading something.
You need to borrow my Mossberg, bro? 8)
The one with the 2 stooges, right? Heal them every room and rush up to defend them. Kill wizards and archers first because they are the hurtiest. That's... all I really have to say other than "stooges".
Post by: majikero on October 19, 2012, 06:53:07 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2012, 07:08:10 pm
e: Also suddenly Double Rainbow?!
Post by: Seriyu on October 19, 2012, 07:20:05 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2012, 10:42:39 pm
The offering to the tree was still an asshole though. Eventually we pulled through though and that's what counts!!!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2012, 11:56:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 01:05:43 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2012, 01:36:14 am
Probably we'll do it soon. Couple days, maybe less. We're actually really strong so we don't have to extensively plan everything other than maybe practice taming the gold mask ghosts. If we actually end up doing it soon, I have about 50 shrimp baits for the dungeon. Any chefs out there can make some pretty easily, with the recipe on the wiki.
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 05:00:07 pm
Also in the next thread there will be a more elegent system for event "personals" then just me popping in every now and then and reminding people that they're happening.
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 05:09:08 pm
Then I remember it's mostly not on Mari, I think...
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2012, 05:18:13 pm
Also tell us your name when you come to Alexina do it do it do it
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 05:23:37 pm
Sometimes on the new thread people besides Seriyu will say that things are happening! Can you imagine that?!
Also tell us your name when you come to Alexina do it do it do it
I checked I DO have a Giant on Alexina, probably when they had the Destiny card discount. The problem is really giving up nearly 500 levels. And all the cool stuff I have on Atropos, my Human character.
Like my lovely Nao coin.
Mmmm. Nao... *drools*
Post by: majikero on October 20, 2012, 05:33:55 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2012, 05:35:13 pm
Also I still need Shock page. If any of you habitual ancient wipers get one, please mail it my way.
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 05:39:47 pm
Don't worry. You can always get more Nao. One can never have enough Nao.
But a Nao Coin costs like. Millions. At least. It used too anyway.
I NEED ALL THE NAO THINGS. NAAAAAAAAO.
Really the bigger problem is just losing all those premium costumes and levels and skills.
I mean, Giant isn't... bad. But I miss going through G1~G3, and having Paladin.
EDIT:
Oh and like $100's worth of pets...
B12 WHY DO YOU STILL TEMPT ME.
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 06:09:34 pm
But yeah as far as I know the only B12 guild has been on Alexina. I don't think there was a mabinogi thread before this one.
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 07:24:18 pm
I can't make ya but I will say that Alexina is far more hospitable then alexina, so if you're tired of regularly getting into fistfights over minor piddling things (at least according to ibid, mari was like this), I can assure you alexina is a lot less hostile. :P
But yeah as far as I know the only B12 guild has been on alexina. I don't think there was a mabinogi thread before this one.
So Alexina is far more hospitable then Alexina huh? :P
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 07:30:37 pm
(Mah bad :P)
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 08:13:35 pm
I dunno what you're talking about I totally didn't just edit my post ahem
(Mah bad :P)
Don't worry about it, we all make mistakes.
It also occurs to me that if I do join Alexina, I can't get the 50AP and the SPECIAL COSTUME on both servers... without two accounts and running Mabi on two computers...
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 09:36:18 pm
And I know ibid at least just moved permenantly to alexina, dunno if that's an option to you.
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 20, 2012, 09:38:45 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 09:41:35 pm
So the server is throwing a fit and giving me the old "Cannot log in (3)" error, so I guess I'm off for now. Seems like it might be crashing. Who can say.
And I know ibid at least just moved permenantly to alexina, dunno if that's an option to you.
I'm not sure I know an Ibid.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 20, 2012, 09:50:06 pm
So the server is throwing a fit and giving me the old "Cannot log in (3)" error, so I guess I'm off for now. Seems like it might be crashing. Who can say.
Likewise, I went to log off and got stuck in limbo until I force-terminated the client, and now I am getting the same error. Probably a runtime overlap on the server, I'll wait a bit for it to time-out.
It also occurs to me that if I do join Alexina, I can't get the 50AP and the SPECIAL COSTUME on both servers... without two accounts and running Mabi on two computers...
Why not make a second account, since none of the benefits of your Mari character(s) will carry over anyways?
Speaking of Alexina and having made the trip from Mari myself, I can say that it really is both more friendly and affordable. The players here are generally less callous and the market comparatively moderate in pricing (a regular dye, for instance, will usually go for about 95k, rather than the Mari-tried 150-300). As for the B12 guild, I would like to think that we are pretty darn accommodating and tend help pull each other along, but I can understand completely if you don't want all of your progress to go to waste.
That said, you could always pay an extended visit and see if you chance to change your mind. :P
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2012, 09:53:40 pm
Also that's the Ibid I was referring to. :P
Post by: krisslanza on October 20, 2012, 10:08:50 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 21, 2012, 12:04:08 am
I forget if you can charge NX right away on new accounts and all that... I know Nexon has some really strict charging policies.
If I recall correctly, NX cash can't be charged until after 30 days. NX prepaid, however, can be redeemed regardless of account (I am about 95% sure of this).
Post by: Seriyu on October 21, 2012, 12:04:31 am
And yeah, do that. Hop into the guild, we'll getcha in. Soon we'll have a whopping 250 member capacity so don't worry about being inactive.
Post by: krisslanza on October 21, 2012, 12:13:53 am
I forget if you can charge NX right away on new accounts and all that... I know Nexon has some really strict charging policies.
If I recall correctly, NX cash can't be charged until after 30 days. NX prepaid, however, can be redeemed regardless of account (I am about 95% sure of this).
Hrm, I did have a second account but it needs to get reactivated... on an e-mail I don't have anymore. Hrm. How to fix that... then to charge enough NX to get a Destiny card, because seriously I don't feel like doing the low-level/low AP... stuff...
Hypothetically.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2012, 02:08:38 am
only 2 people will understand
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 21, 2012, 02:12:40 am
Post by: Skyrunner on October 21, 2012, 04:52:21 am
I feel excluded.
Post by: krisslanza on October 21, 2012, 09:38:34 am
Wow, Incan gold....
only 2 people will understand
Darn in-jokes!
Post by: Graknorke on October 21, 2012, 10:16:48 am
I'm out of quests that are worth completing, and I'm not really leveled enough to take on any proper dungeons. I can't continue the G quests, and the normal quests are all out of my ability/desire to do, so I've pretty much just been running aroun doing some part-time jobs, and stabbing bears.
What do?
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2012, 10:32:03 am
Also it's a dumb joke and I am going to pay for making it.
Post by: Graknorke on October 21, 2012, 10:51:57 am
You could go to Port Cobh, west of Dunbarton, head down the hill, make a left, and talk to the Fjallheim guild stone and leave an application saying you're Graknorke. Or you could post your name here so we canI'm already in.hunt you downfind you and get you added to THE GUILD.
Also it's a dumb joke and I am going to pay for making it.
I just don't know what to do. Because of timezones, nobody's ever really on when I am. Sometimes I could be on when others are if I stay up quite late, but I've kind of resolved to fall asleep and wake up on different days. So eh.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2012, 01:41:22 pm
Also anyone use two-handers? I got a Violent (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Rank_A_Enchants#Violent) (rA) enchant and it's for two-handers. If so, better get on and ask me for within the next 7 hours before I stick it on a trinity staff for the lulz. I'll even enchant it for you if you want.
Post by: krisslanza on October 21, 2012, 02:49:48 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 21, 2012, 04:31:42 pm
Post by: dezan on October 21, 2012, 06:57:02 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2012, 07:38:49 pm
Of course, it's easier to get ridiculously strong in a short amount of time if you pay. See: Ibid.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 21, 2012, 07:59:22 pm
It's entirely doable. See: Bariaus and me.
Of course, it's easier to get ridiculously strong in a short amount of time if you pay. See: Ibid.
I RESENT THAT!
But it's true. Of course, being that Mabinogi is a pay-per-feature rather than flat rate pay to play, one has a variety of options and degrees of financial commitment. The VIP pack (more inventory and bank space, daily gifts, slight exp bonuses, and miscellaneous perks) will run you 15 USD (about the standard for most MMOs) a month, and rebirthing (the real means of getting stronger rapidly) rounds out to about 8 USD for one time, and can be done at most once a week, or as infrequently as you like.
That said, there is never a shortage of things to do or fun to be had for a completely free player- working up to it just tends to be a much longer process- but having an proactive guild (see: us) works wonders in that regard. :)
If you give Mabi a try, my advice to you is to pursue things that appeal to you as they come, and forgo worrying about how you size up in comparison to other players. The game is rarely directly competitive, so what it comes down to liking what you choose to do!
Sometimes I log in solely for the purpose of excellent company and a good laugh. :P
Post by: alexwazer on October 21, 2012, 08:27:59 pm
The only major issue, in my opinion, for free players is the limited inventory space, especially for alchemists. So if you ever have the possibility to get a few NX, pets are a solid investment. Also, keep an eye on free offers for free NX, that could be enough to get a pet every once in a while depending on your location (offers vary accordingly).
Post by: dezan on October 21, 2012, 08:36:24 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 21, 2012, 08:48:18 pm
My main problem is I'm a vanity whore D: haha I just care about appearances :x
If you think you will be compelled to own a dozen different outfits (like me), you may want to consider springing for a Fashion Slot Key and maybe even Inventory Plus, both of which can be purchased in separate monthly packages. Neither of these are necessary to be a fashionista, but the key will you to wear your favorite outfits over your down-and-dirty work gear without wearing the former out, whereas Inventory Plus will offer a little extra room for storing it.
Alternatively, if you're the sort to be satisfied with one good set of snazzy threads, you could simply wear, tear, and repair them. Most gear has the same range of stats depending on armor type (heavy, light, or clothing) and upgrades. Clothing and light armor will be less effective in close combat, but those who wear it can still excel (See: twilightwalker).
Furthermore, while it is true that some (but by no means all) neat-looking outfits may only be available through paid-for "gachapon" (random item boxes), the vast majority of these can be found in player shops at steep but attainable, and getting the coin for them won't be so hard once you get situated and start doing activities with the guild.
On the other
Post by: krisslanza on October 21, 2012, 08:50:14 pm
My main problem is I'm a vanity whore D: haha I just care about appearances :x
If you think you will be compelled to own a dozen different outfits (like me), you may want to consider springing for a Fashion Slot Key and maybe even Inventory Plus, both of which can be purchased in separate monthly packages. Neither of these are necessary to be a fashionista, but the key will you to wear your favorite outfits over your down-and-dirty work gear without wearing the former out, whereas Inventory Plus will offer a little extra room for storing it.
While it is true that some (but by no means all) neat-looking outfits may only be available through paid-for "gachapon" (random item boxes), the vast majority of these can be found in player shops at steep but attainable, and getting the coin for them won't be so hard once you get situated and start doing activities with the guild.
I have to admit, I love armor, but Mabinogi has a lot of cute, and sometimes (in a crude way) kind of... hot outfits.
Some.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2012, 09:11:48 pm
They don't look too good, but they don't look bad, either.
Post by: Seriyu on October 21, 2012, 09:30:40 pm
So basically if you're wearing X clothes and find other clothes you like more, you can switch, and besides giving up some upgrades (temporarily, all members of a same armor class have the same upgrades.) you'll be in the same situation you were before. Obviously light armor is better then clothing, and heavy better then light, but the combat largely relies on not getting hit to begin with, so taking clothing over heavy for instance isn't as bad a thing as you'd think. To boot, weaker classes of armor tend to cost less to repair, so that's a thing.
So basically yeah, equipping what you like, as long as you take well to the combat system (you'll prolly need some starter lessons, but I don't think anyone DOESN'T, and me or ibid would be happy to give you the lowdown), should be fine.
Post by: krisslanza on October 22, 2012, 09:26:44 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 22, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 22, 2012, 04:21:22 pm
Also patch in two days. It's gonna be aweeesooooome.
Post by: krisslanza on October 22, 2012, 05:50:51 pm
Very true. C'mooooon, jump in.
Also patch in two days. It's gonna be aweeesooooome.
What is even IN this upcoming patch anyway?
Post by: Sonlirain on October 22, 2012, 06:03:10 pm
Very true. C'mooooon, jump in.
Also patch in two days. It's gonna be aweeesooooome.
What is even IN this upcoming patch anyway?
From what i think i know:
New destiny system.
Revisioned Barri mining.
Some new skills (along with mining mastery for barri).
Post by: krisslanza on October 22, 2012, 06:24:46 pm
Very true. C'mooooon, jump in.
Also patch in two days. It's gonna be aweeesooooome.
What is even IN this upcoming patch anyway?
From what i think i know:
New destiny system.
Revisioned Barri mining.
Some new skills (along with mining mastery for barri).
Sounds interesting.
Also hell yeah, page 100 get.
Post by: Seriyu on October 22, 2012, 07:55:40 pm
But sonli gave a pretty good short version yep. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 23, 2012, 01:08:08 am
It'll probably suck though, seeing as my farm strategy is basically "do the lowest action until it is 100".
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 23, 2012, 05:39:49 am
Man, you can add me to the list of farmy people. It is so great. Maybe I'll write a guide, who knows.
It'll probably suck though, seeing as my farm strategy is basically "do the lowest action until it is 100".
Unless things have changed, just use this (http://nyo.110mb.com/mabicropadv.htm)
Post by: Carcanken on October 23, 2012, 06:30:49 am
I might come back to Mabi.
:o
Post by: Skyrunner on October 23, 2012, 07:00:40 am
This path. THIS PATCH D:
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 23, 2012, 04:25:34 pm
What is this dark wizardry? :PMan, you can add me to the list of farmy people. It is so great. Maybe I'll write a guide, who knows.
It'll probably suck though, seeing as my farm strategy is basically "do the lowest action until it is 100".
Unless things have changed, just use this (http://nyo.110mb.com/mabicropadv.htm)
Thanks, though.
Post by: Seriyu on October 23, 2012, 04:49:42 pm
But more on that tomorrow when the patch hits, just in case Nexon America does something stupid like remove half of the skills going in or something (they won't seriously I'm just using it as an excuse).
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 12:58:05 am
I'm thinking about returning to Karu. Now that I am not a weak little novice with a mere bastard sword, getting bits should be a lot easier now. I'll probably only need help on the venom sacs because of the miniboss horse guy.
Also, note to self: flame burst, heat buster, shock if book done/water cannon, chain cylinder through the whole thing. It'll be 1315 AP which is a lot of levels, but that's ignoring the ranks I already have in these things (granted, not many), the possibility of more double rainbows, and the free AP events that may take place. Comes up to about 1228 if current ranks are taken into account and my subtracting is right. Daunting, but doable. Maybe.
...I'd make a shitty Royal Alchemist. None of the crafting skills? Get out of here, self!
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 02:03:13 am
And not as many clothes. And armor. Though female Giants ARE pretty buxom... *rubs chin*
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 04:13:43 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 08:43:49 am
Giants now have G1-3 to do, so that's not a factor anymore, if that's what you were referring to. :P
Oh?
Hrm. Well... still they do have less armor and stuff... and less of the cute/sexy clothes... hrrmmm.
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 03:58:56 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 04:06:17 pm
So it looks like the patch was delayed a day, and to boot it'll be happening on 11 PM the 25th. So chances are it'll be out the 26th.
Darn. Kind of a bummer there.
How many armors for Giants again? I totally can't remember. Though, honestly, Paladin looks cooler then Savage Giant in my humble opinion...
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 04:29:47 pm
I'd have to say most human stuff definitely looks better, though.
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 04:34:42 pm
Colin ain't so bad itself. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Colin_Plate_Set)
Post by: alexwazer on October 24, 2012, 04:43:06 pm
Edit: *scratch head* Oh wait, it's wednesday today, not thursday. So... didn't say a thing.
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 04:50:40 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 05:42:26 pm
Let's see... there are 2 easily accessible sets for both genders, Kirsten Leather and Pirta Leather. I think there's another kind of Pirta for females only. They can also wear most of the special heavy armors like Thames, Colin, Birnam, and their own variety of Valencia too.
I'd have to say most human stuff definitely looks better, though.
Yeah true. Not sure if I should "main" her or make a human. Because humans get FAR more. Giants don't get much love...
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 06:30:15 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 06:49:53 pm
Yeah if you care about looks at all I'd say human. A lot of the giant stuff looks good but there's just so little of it that variety is an issue.
Yeah true, the Giant stuff there is looks nice. There's just very little of it. Humans have far more variety... like Kushina's... *drool* Or Dustin... *more drool*
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 07:21:00 pm
Also upgrading sickles and hoes is very much worth it. Cutting stuff in one stroke? Yeeee
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 07:51:05 pm
Yeah, my main issue with human stuff is the old things sold at Malcolm and Ferghus and the like that's been in for nearly the entire lifespan of the game (like, let's say.. Drandos Leather Mail).. it's so low-res. Giant and elf stuff doesn't have this issue.
Also upgrading sickles and hoes is very much worth it. Cutting stuff in one stroke? Yeeee
Yeah a lot of the later player-made stuff looks WAY better.
And wait, upgrading harvesting tools actually does stuff now?
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 08:21:54 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on October 24, 2012, 08:40:14 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 10:09:10 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 10:12:24 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 10:13:10 pm
That doesn't work as well as the stone though.
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2012, 10:23:37 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on October 24, 2012, 10:35:41 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2012, 10:56:03 pm
No but really, at least give a shot now, I'd say.
Post by: krisslanza on October 24, 2012, 10:58:34 pm
Just... time... money... time... did I mention money? And having to start from basically scratch... argh!
Oh I also like Elves. But no heavy armor kinda bites.
Post by: Seriyu on October 25, 2012, 12:28:45 am
Ends up she made all those statements yesterday so it was all still accurate.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON SEND HELP
No it's the 25th hop on, we got a few people on.
EDIT: No heavy armor does bite but light armor is usually good enough, so it's not too bad. Also they get turban shell armor which looks AMAZING. Also see high dex growth, the best of stats for pretty much everyone.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 25, 2012, 12:36:46 am
Also, I'm up to Shock page 3! Up next is killing crag cows, then killing basilisks (ugh), then killing dullahans (more ugh), and then Defeat the Shadow Wizard, then.. I think it's reward of Ghost of Partholon, then Their Method, and finally ancients. Only things I really see trouble with are Basilisks, Dullahans, and Ghost of Partholon. Mainly because of blinkers and advanced heavy stander.
Post by: Seriyu on October 25, 2012, 12:40:23 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 25, 2012, 12:42:36 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 25, 2012, 12:56:29 am
Actually there's a maint for the patch in half an hour that'll be 7 hours, so maybe wait for it.
Ends up she made all those statements yesterday so it was all still accurate.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON SEND HELP
No it's the 25th hop on, we got a few people on.
EDIT: No heavy armor does bite but light armor is usually good enough, so it's not too bad. Also they get turban shell armor which looks AMAZING. Also see high dex growth, the best of stats for pretty much everyone.
Yeah but chicks in heavy armor and a sword or something is awesome. Also, no two-handers and I don't particularly think shields look cool or very heroic...
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 25, 2012, 01:09:41 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 25, 2012, 01:18:55 am
Actually there's a maint for the patch in half an hour that'll be 7 hours, so maybe wait for it.
Ends up she made all those statements yesterday so it was all still accurate.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON SEND HELP
No it's the 25th hop on, we got a few people on.
EDIT: No heavy armor does bite but light armor is usually good enough, so it's not too bad. Also they get turban shell armor which looks AMAZING. Also see high dex growth, the best of stats for pretty much everyone.
Yeah but chicks in heavy armor and a sword or something is awesome. Also, no two-handers and I don't particularly think shields look cool or very heroic...
I also suggest rolling a human. You have much more variety, not only pertaining to gear, but also character cosmetics! The melee Destiny Card is definitely worthwhile in my opinion, and as far as money goes... just tell yourself you can quit anytime you want to! :D
Post by: Seriyu on October 25, 2012, 01:37:55 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 25, 2012, 01:38:01 am
Post by: Alkhemia on October 25, 2012, 01:42:16 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 25, 2012, 01:42:46 am
And the like, dozen pets on Mari...
*shifty eyes*
EDIT:
I just check Mabi wiki.
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE!? IT'S LIKE. WHOA. HOLY. Idonothavewords.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 25, 2012, 02:03:30 am
I mean... last count, two or three maids >>
Post by: Seriyu on October 25, 2012, 03:45:30 am
Runs like ass which is odd because I can run Dota 2 on this laptop fine, fun game though I'll just have to wait tell I get my new computer. Have like 15-20 fps in the starter town.
Yeah, mabinogi isn't well optimized. If you haven't turned off the nagle algorithm, do so (it shouldn't effect anything else, no worries, never heard of it doing anything like that, instructions are in the OP), then try again. Might improve but I wouldn't expect butter smooth FPS in any even vaguely crowded area. More then about 10 people and FPS starts to chug.
Post by: Alkhemia on October 25, 2012, 03:53:19 am
Edit: Helped the fps mostly playable now I'm Alkhemia23 btw just Alkhemia was taken >:(Runs like ass which is odd because I can run Dota 2 on this laptop fine, fun game though I'll just have to wait tell I get my new computer. Have like 15-20 fps in the starter town.
Yeah, mabinogi isn't well optimized. If you haven't turned off the nagle algorithm, do so (it shouldn't effect anything else, no worries, never heard of it doing anything like that, instructions are in the OP), then try again. Might improve but I wouldn't expect butter smooth FPS in any even vaguely crowded area. More then about 10 people and FPS starts to chug.
Post by: krisslanza on October 25, 2012, 08:59:35 am
Ibid has those dozen pets and more. xD
I mean... last count, two or three maids >>
I alas have no maids or commerce things because they were limited time only... I just have a ton of pets all carrying around various junk, because I packrat too much.
At least on Alexina I won't... for a while... <.<
Post by: majikero on October 25, 2012, 09:36:00 am
What are you trying to say Nexon? :P
Post by: krisslanza on October 25, 2012, 10:02:02 am
Wiki says Same-sex marriage will be in.
What are you trying to say Nexon? :P
That they know that since... well, maybe the first week, people were using mods to have girl/girl marriages anyway? :P
At least I recall someone modding their client for all the men to show up as girls, and changing the "Husband" title to "Wife"...
Post by: Seriyu on October 25, 2012, 04:52:25 pm
Runs like ass which is odd because I can run Dota 2 on this laptop fine, fun game though I'll just have to wait tell I get my new computer. Have like 15-20 fps in the starter town.
Yeah, mabinogi isn't well optimized. If you haven't turned off the nagle algorithm, do so (it shouldn't effect anything else, no worries, never heard of it doing anything like that, instructions are in the OP), then try again. Might improve but I wouldn't expect butter smooth FPS in any even vaguely crowded area. More then about 10 people and FPS starts to chug.
Edit: Helped the fps mostly playable now I'm Alkhemia23 btw just Alkhemia was taken >:(
Heyyyy, awesome. Head to Port Cobh (wiki has maps if you can't find it, it's near dunbarton, which is near tir. Check signs, they'll show you the way), and find the Fjallheim guildstone and apply there, and we'll getcha in.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 25, 2012, 11:07:46 pm
Also soon: THE PATCH IT'S IN LESS THAN 2 HOURS AAAAAAAAA
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 12:49:00 am
When you log in to mabi the first time with every character after the patch goes up with the talents, there's a little like "pick your initial talent" quest, and it'll give you rank F's in all of it's skills after you complete it, AP FREE. For stuff like alchemy this saves a ton of AP, also it's a good way to get knuckle skills if you don't want to sit through that damn quest. Also of note, pupeeteering is coming out this patch, so if you've got everything else you want you may as well get that.
For the record you can change your talent afterwords, it's just that, like destiny, your first talent determines what skills you get for free.
EDIT: If you have nothing better to do until the patch finishes I highly reccomend you just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0fPhZkUZbE) for about seven hours straight. (not really)
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 26, 2012, 01:22:30 am
Also where's that skaet video it was pretty great
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 01:53:01 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 26, 2012, 02:09:52 am
Sorta.
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 03:08:36 am
(Yes I'm one of those guys that has about a hundred AP at least in every tree because I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE)
Post by: krisslanza on October 26, 2012, 03:13:13 am
It doesn't usually work too well for me... I dunno what kind of warrior gal I wanna play on Alexina. Suggestions?
Post by: majikero on October 26, 2012, 01:10:19 pm
Also bone dragons if you want.
Post by: krisslanza on October 26, 2012, 02:00:12 pm
Starting at October 31 and end in November 30, there will be a Triple AP event.
Also bone dragons if you want.
TRIPLE AP!? :o
Post by: majikero on October 26, 2012, 02:09:46 pm
Now is the best time to jump in the game.
Post by: alexwazer on October 26, 2012, 02:46:39 pm
Anyway, the patch introduced not only G17 season 1, but also season 2. So puppets are in if you're into that kind of stuff.
I don't feel like going over every changes, but I do want to insist on one thing. You can only change talent when you rebirth. You can change title every game day, but those don't affect anything. If you want double skill training in a skill, choose the appropriate talent.
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 26, 2012, 03:14:47 pm
Edit: There it goes...
Post by: alexwazer on October 26, 2012, 04:15:02 pm
Mining in Barri has been improved even more than I expected. Not only do ore stack up to 50 instead of 10 and mining spot have 7 ores instead of 5, but it seems that the mining skill, or something else, gives a chance to get double ore when mining. This is on top of normal lucky gather. So if you get this double ore and lucky gather, you can end up getting 4 ores at once. Silver and gold ore also appear to be much more frequent than they used to be.
For those that bought a commerce partner, you'll be happy (I was) to know that dual wielding or using shield now works properly.
Concerning talents, let me try to explain as clearly as possible how it works.
Everyone basically has every talents, although if you have none of the skill related to a talent, it doesn't show up in your talent list.
When you create a new character, rebirth or first log in after the patch, you'll have the chance to choose an active talent. This active talent is what determine which skills gets double training. It also provide small bonus, but those are limited.
When you rank up skills, you also get training in the respective(s) talent(s). Talents are leveled no matter whether they are active or not. Existing characters will already start will several talents at various level based on skills ranks. Each new level in a talent gives you some permanent bonus, again these bonus remain even for inactive talents.
You can also use a talent related title, which are currently messed up on my side (might be just me or a game bug), and its corresponding icon. Those can be changed daily, but do not provide any bonus whatsoever. They are merely show off things.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 26, 2012, 05:17:31 pm
I am about to submit a ticket (but I won't hold my breath) and will try reinstalling the client in meantime. Hopefully I won't be AWOL terribly long/forever. :P
Working fine now. Wow, Classic seems neat! Though, I can't say I like the new interface or the angle of the talent system yet... it'll probably grow on me. Maybe.
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 05:25:22 pm
I like to semi-RP my characters and try to limit them.If it's "Cannot log in (3)" then it'll only take a little bit, even as little as ten minutes.
It doesn't usually work too well for me... I dunno what kind of warrior gal I wanna play on Alexina. Suggestions?
If it's some other one, you might google it. :P
I like to semi-RP my characters and try to limit them.
It doesn't usually work too well for me... I dunno what kind of warrior gal I wanna play on Alexina. Suggestions?
I've been messing with knuckles and they're honestly really fun to play with if you know how (IE never let the enemy get an attack off)
But do note you will need support on most multi heavy dungeons. And FORGET archers. You might bring a normal weapon along if you aren't a huge party player.
Also patch overview coming up.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 26, 2012, 05:41:36 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 05:53:22 pm
For a more in depth overview look here. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00FPi) There's a lot of stuff! Alexwazer also posted a more abreviated overview above this post. Go look at him.
New skills, all masteries. Boring right? WRONG. These skills cost very little AP to level up and on top of that give you stats. If you are interested in crafting or gathering at all, get the ones that are relevant. If you are not, get ranks whenever you're happy with how your combat is progressing. You won't regret it.
Max stats were increased from 999 to 1500, shadow mission/theater mission monster HP was readjusted, Wine making is now more difficult to rank. A variety of gathering items are having their stack size increased, such as wheat, barely, potatoes, wool, cobwebs, corn, from five to ten, and the big one, ore from 10 to 50. One ore pile also produces seven ores instead of five.
Will's rank up bonuses now no longer have negative will values. Rest is now actually a pretty nice skill to rank if you hate potions.
Same sex marriage has been added. I'd just like to get it out now, discussing this in guild chat is okay but please keep it classy and try not to be a jerk. I'd rather not have to defend my personal interests on same sex marriage whenever I log in and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Thank you in advance.
And that was s1. But we also got s2, so...
Puppeteer skills. Puppeteer is basically where you use a puppet as a weapon. It walks around and attacks for you, but, unike golems you have to be fairly nearby. Long story short it has a lot of non standard skills, and your damage gets added to it's damage. It also gets boosts. Basically you have "chaff" in the sense that the enemy will attack the puppet if it aggros onto it (I think), and the puppet attacks very fast and does decent damage, but you can't use a weapon to boost it's damage. Also damage is based on strength AND dex. Dex is kinda hard to get. Another potential "Crafting combat" skill. Also maybe the skills raise dex? Iunno I didn't look. But any extra source of dex is good.
Note you can purchase marionettes from the item shop, but you can buy normal ones in game. The ones in the item shop ONLY EFFECT THE LOOK OF THEM. At least as of now.
Emain Macha now has a new section of the map that has the pupetteer stuff in it, along with some alchemy ovens which is very nice. No more will you have to haul ass to tara or taill whenever you want to do a bit of synthesis. Also less lag. also a new PTJ for metal conversion. Very nice.
New enchants, msotly relating to puppets I bet, and new potion making recipes that let you heal marionette HP.
Now all we have to wait for is the next patch which introduces a bunch of other stuff. Mabi patches are pretty great (aside from the bugs) and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Oh. Speaking of the bugs.
EMain macha's map is untranslated
New ptj's are untranslated
Hoeing ranks 1 and 2 have untranslated training requirements (check the wiki)
Rank F's first aid's training requirement is untranslated (Classic nexon "completely unrelated thing breaks on patch for no reason"), the requirements are "Read the book "Quick & Effective First Aid"."
Fishing chairs are not currently usable, I don't even know what these are, but I'm sure they're expensive.
the UI cuts off some text with the talent system, again check wiki.
Several (presumably new, but who knows) quests are untranslated
The hotkey image for bone dragon displays an ice dragon
Updating music files is a work in progress, there may be some eerily silent areas of the game while they get that sorted out.
And if a party member uses "control marionette" while someone else uses an umbrella action, the skill cancels. Probably the only actual bug on this list.
As a note those were only known issues, so speak up if you find any others.
EDIT: HOLY CRAP THEY UPDATED THE PATCHER DAYUMMM
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 26, 2012, 05:56:31 pm
Puppeteer skills. Puppeteer is basically where you use a puppet as a weapon. It walks around and attacks for you, but, unike golems you have to be fairly nearby. Long story short it has a lot of non standard skills, and your damage gets added to it's damage. It also gets boosts. Basically you have "chaff" in the sense that the enemy will attack the puppet if it aggros onto it (I think), and the puppet attacks very fast and does decent damage, but you can't use a weapon to boost it's damage. Also damage is based on strength AND dex. Dex is kinda hard to get. Another potential "Crafting combat" skill. Also maybe the skills raise dex? Iunno I didn't look. But any extra source of dex is good.
I guess puppetry will be good for me to get into then~
Also, slow patching is slow, 44% and going. Snooooooore.
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 06:05:41 pm
And yeah, it looks nice. Nexon skill trees have a tendency to look horrible initially and then look great once you learn how to use them, though.
EDIT: Also Ibid.
Options, first tab you start on, (System -> video), Interface color. Electric grey is pretty nice.
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 06:38:03 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on October 26, 2012, 07:45:20 pm
Triple AP sounds good, but I'm not in the situation to take advantage of it. Dang you rebirth age ;_;
Post by: majikero on October 26, 2012, 07:50:28 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 08:12:13 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 26, 2012, 08:22:05 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on October 26, 2012, 08:48:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 26, 2012, 11:56:02 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 02:40:50 am
Hrm. Knuckles... I'm not sure. It looks kinda neat, but a martial artist character doesn't fit with me usually liking to wear light and heavy armors...
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 27, 2012, 03:10:15 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 03:23:16 am
You can still wear light armor with no penalty, and once your Chain Mastery hits a certain point, you can wear heavy with a penalty, lessening with each rank.
It's not a gameplay mechanic thing I was talking about, it just seems weird that a "monk" or "martial artist" wears armor at all. I mean, how many armored martial artists do you see in stuff? They always wear gis and clothes... MAYBE light armor.
As I said, I always kind of RP stuff. Usually with myself...
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 03:38:44 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 09:11:51 am
There is a Gi-ish thing, oriental warrior clothes or something. Sold for about 300k from NPCs, check wiki for which ones.
Yeah I remember it, I'm just saying I like armors more then clothes for actually fighting. Though there is a lot of just plain nice looking clothes to wear...
Post by: Sonlirain on October 27, 2012, 10:16:20 am
I'm starting to regret having a giant main.
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 10:19:50 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 10:41:27 am
And as usual there are no easy to obtain light armor for giants.All the store-buyable giant armors are light, with 4 defense and 1 protection. Actually, the only heavy armor giants can get is all special stuff like Thames, Colin (giant only), Birnam, which are all tough to get, and I think Spaika/Rose Plate, which are expensive as heck, 700k from NPCs.
I'm starting to regret having a giant main.
So yeah light armor is the only giant store armor.
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 11:16:55 am
Fighter is... different. Keep getting random lag moments though, which I'm not sure if it's the server or me.
EDIT:
In hindsight, I should've picked Puppeteer Talent. I didn't realize the event had a special item for that...
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 02:28:11 pm
EDIT: Also invited Argot(riccoto) and another guy with a name I forget. Presumably Krisslanza's charecter.
Post by: Gabeux on October 27, 2012, 03:08:05 pm
I've being wanting to play a MMO for a while, casually (not a great idea, but anyways), so I guess I'll try to join you.
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 03:43:39 pm
The lag is likely the server, it's pretty bad today. It'll prolly lighten up when the hot time event finishes off in about 2 and a half hours.
EDIT: Also invited Argot(riccoto) and another guy with a name I forget. Presumably Krisslanza's charecter.
If the app was STRIKE THE EARTH or something like that, totally me.
I should actually work on Puppeetering, just for the event and such. ALTHOUGH, BREAKING CHARACTER. Hrm.
Also I can't learn stuff for Fighter without doing G16 stuff, and I kind of hate skipping *rubs chin*
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 04:00:12 pm
Hey guys, so is this game really cool to play and not another boring MMO? :P
I've being wanting to play a MMO for a while, casually (not a great idea, but anyways), so I guess I'll try to join you.
It's honestly prolly one of the better MMOs to play casually due to the rebirth mechanic, on top of being more skill based then numbers based. (Although for later game stuff you will want to level a bit, there's plenty of stuff to cut your teeth on)
The lag is likely the server, it's pretty bad today. It'll prolly lighten up when the hot time event finishes off in about 2 and a half hours.
EDIT: Also invited Argot(riccoto) and another guy with a name I forget. Presumably Krisslanza's charecter.
If the app was STRIKE THE EARTH or something like that, totally me.
I should actually work on Puppeetering, just for the event and such. ALTHOUGH, BREAKING CHARACTER. Hrm.
Also I can't learn stuff for Fighter without doing G16 stuff, and I kind of hate skipping *rubs chin*
It was probably your application then. And rush of love is only hiding in the G16 tab since it counts as a theater mission, it's not anything plot related with G16.
Also with only an hour until the event the lag has reached a fever pitch and I have litterally been frozen in place for several minutes. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 04:19:00 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 04:35:01 pm
EDIT:
Alexina is actually completely full.
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 04:55:30 pm
And it's honestly not that hard. At least not until you get the skills. (6 offensive skills, chain mastery, knuckle mastery, respite, and tumble)
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 04:58:15 pm
Yep! Keep trying. You've got five minutes.
And it's honestly not that hard. At least not until you get the skills. (6 offensive skills, chain mastery, knuckle mastery, respite, and tumble)
If I knew the servers actually had a cap, I would've just logged in hours ago. NOW I find out there's actually a limit!
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 04:59:03 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 05:06:03 pm
Yeah, it's unfortunate, still people will sometimes crash/DC, so keep scanning. Might be able to make it in time.
Nah not a chance. Shame. I could've used 100AP.
Post by: HailFire on October 27, 2012, 05:15:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: krisslanza on October 27, 2012, 05:16:23 pm
Just got the potion, plus a Style Suit and Style Sunglasses.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wait, really? I knew the glasses looked familiar...
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 06:03:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 06:13:47 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 06:15:19 pm
Help too many pictures oh god 6 hours left
e: The "people getting married" part is much more exciting. Now there's the incredibly long dinner on some random table with strangers from the other family. I don't even eat food so this promises to be thrilling.
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 27, 2012, 06:48:57 pm
e: The "people getting married" part is much more exciting. Now there's the incredibly long dinner on some random table with strangers from the other family. I don't even eat food so this promises to be thrilling.
Wat. What are you, some sort of plant man?
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 07:07:06 pm
Really, though, it's just food that I don't want to be eating. Then again my culinary taste is slightly better than "Buddhist hermit", with all the plain white rice and water.
e: Okay, I'm seated at my table. Yup. Probably not going to eat anything much. Please, keep posting updates. It makes me un-bored.
ee: Guys where did you all gooo
eee: Guys...? It's so cold.... only 3 more hours..... nearly there...
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 09:55:12 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 10:12:59 pm
Cake's getting cut, I think I might be able to escape early.
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 10:22:06 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 10:26:28 pm
"All you single guys get to the dance floor" brb guys life ending
Then Gangnam Style.
e: Looks like I'll be able to escape in an hour or so.
ee: Leaving... kinda soon. Then an hour drive to get home. Then you will no longer have to suffer through me talking about dumb stuff. Sorry for pretty much jacking the thread.
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2012, 11:11:31 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2012, 11:46:43 pm
Sleep? Who needs sleep? I am seriously considering not sleeping at all to make up for lost time today. Not like I can, seeing as my ears and eyes have been assaulted on all fronts by colors and intense beets. Then I'll have to waste another Sunday like usual, then things have to start happening again. Siiiiiigh.
All there is to do is dance (no way) and drink, and I think I've drunk enough. Enough Sprite. Oh man that's gonna impede a good mental rest isn't it?? Oh boy so much fun.
I am preeeetty ticked right now.
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 28, 2012, 04:48:51 am
Post by: Skyrunner on October 28, 2012, 05:06:43 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 28, 2012, 12:25:48 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 28, 2012, 12:35:25 pm
Post by: krisslanza on October 28, 2012, 01:47:22 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 28, 2012, 06:01:33 pm
I forget how laggy Mabinogi can get. And in Mabinogi, any lag at all is baaaaaad.
From what I've gleaned, it mostly seems to be the server or the game itself. Unfortunately, the Mabinogi just wasn't made with low-grade North American ISP infrastructure in mind. That said, come the middle of the week things will probably shape up quickly enough.
Post by: Seriyu on October 28, 2012, 06:17:19 pm
The netcode is as a result worse because they typically just don't need to worry about stuff like that. Reasonable.
Also daaaammmnnnnn is there any way I could persuade you to give me one of those liberty sabers. If I recall they're like a hojillion dollars so Iunno if there is.
EDIT: Wait I'm using knuckles now. I'm not sure if I want one now. Hold off.
Post by: krisslanza on October 28, 2012, 06:30:16 pm
I forget how laggy Mabinogi can get. And in Mabinogi, any lag at all is baaaaaad.
From what I've gleaned, it mostly seems to be the server or the game itself. Unfortunately, the Mabinogi just wasn't made with low-grade North American ISP infrastructure in mind. That said, come the middle of the week things will probably shape up quickly enough.
Yeah the lag is mostly just on Friday nights and the whole weekend. 'Tis generally fine during the work week.
Post by: Seriyu on October 28, 2012, 10:55:25 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 29, 2012, 01:56:17 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 29, 2012, 02:06:19 am
For the night owls among us, I just logged back in and things seem to be running smoothly. :)
While I usually am, I think I will just play in the morning some before work... shouldn't be too bad then either.
Post by: Seriyu on October 29, 2012, 04:15:33 pm
EDIT: Also, until the 3x AP event kicks in I'll prolly be on alts, including a mystery one that I made for puppetteering long ago. If you need me for something and I'm not on, ask dir and he'll ask me.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 29, 2012, 04:52:44 pm
Also I made a spider statue. Well, I made it, but all the parts came from Bariaus and Donryu. I'm thinking maybe run it sometime tomorrow because of that increased dungeon drop rate on Tuesday thing, and also because it is terrible exp so it'll probably be able to be squeezed in before the extreme AP fest.
Post by: Seriyu on October 29, 2012, 04:56:55 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 30, 2012, 12:44:03 am
Also do all dailies on advanced, if you can. It's great exp, enough to go from 0 to 60% at level 61. Gooood stuff, there. Also the mobs drop swords! Lots of em!
Just look out for those dirty snow golems though. They're way stronger than they should be. /whine
Post by: Seriyu on October 30, 2012, 02:05:56 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 30, 2012, 02:39:02 am
NEXON. WHY DO YOU KEEP DRAWING ME BACK.
The Double Rainbow ends tomorrow, right?
Post by: Seriyu on October 30, 2012, 03:07:09 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 30, 2012, 05:50:41 am
I wouldn't say it was worth the 1k and 100 MP pot at the end, but good for the experience on all counts.
Post by: Skyrunner on October 30, 2012, 06:02:18 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 30, 2012, 04:48:11 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 30, 2012, 08:09:16 pm
e: I got back in, but channels 4-7 are all missing. I don't want to play on a busy channel, it'll kill us extra hard.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 30, 2012, 09:52:08 pm
Lag should be better after this!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 31, 2012, 03:10:51 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skyrunner on October 31, 2012, 04:14:31 am
More seriously, I'm not sure who has the highest rank. So... maybe me if no-one else comes along. I can make potions as long as herbs are provided. O_o
Post by: TwilightWalker on October 31, 2012, 04:25:15 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 31, 2012, 08:50:14 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 31, 2012, 05:02:08 pm
And I am not taking up the position of guild potionmaker, as I don't want to put the AP into herbalism (or potionmaking honestly, beyond a certain point).
Post by: majikero on October 31, 2012, 05:09:15 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 31, 2012, 05:40:28 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 01, 2012, 02:37:50 am
I can try to work up to Cook. We'll see. I find it somewhat fun, but I may need some pets... and also, the only thing I dislike is how FAT YOU END UP GETTING. ARGH!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 01, 2012, 05:03:06 am
FAT YOU END UP GETTING. ARGH!
Hot springs!
I like that a number of people are considering taking up the above mentioned craft- the whole idea is to give folks more incentive to make things that benefit everyone in the guild. :)
Posting here before I head off to bed to let everyone know to expect a new face in the guild. I had meant to run her(?) by some of yourselves before admitting her in, but somehow overlooked the option of taking her to the guildstone beforehand, and besides that, wanted to make sure that we snatched her up before anyone else. :P Abben is a level ~100 returning to the game on a new character after a year-long hiatus. She's very friendly and mild-mannered, and handles herself very well in combat. If for whatever reason any issues arise, just speak to Seriyu or myself and it will be handled in a dwarven manner.
Please join me in welcoming Abben into our little niche the next time you log in!
Post by: krisslanza on November 01, 2012, 08:40:22 am
Not sure if I want to pick up Blacksmithing again. It's kinda fun, but it's also a huge pain in the butt to grind up.
EDIT:
Dangit I've wasted two whole days of triple AP! Darn maintenance/work.
Post by: Seriyu on November 01, 2012, 04:58:21 pm
FAT YOU END UP GETTING. ARGH!
Hot springs!
I like that a number of people are considering taking up the above mentioned craft- the whole idea is to give folks more incentive to make things that benefit everyone in the guild. :)
Posting here before I head off to bed to let everyone know to expect a new face in the guild. I had meant to run her(?) by some of yourselves before admitting her in, but somehow overlooked the option of taking her to the guildstone beforehand, and besides that, wanted to make sure that we snatched her up before anyone else. :P Abben is a level ~100 returning to the game on a new character after a year-long hiatus. She's very friendly and mild-mannered, and handles herself very well in combat. If for whatever reason any issues arise, just speak to Seriyu or myself and it will be handled in a dwarven manner.
Please join me in welcoming Abben into our little niche the next time you log in!
Eyyyy good to hear. I've unfortunatly been sucked into oblivion as it's magically decided to work on my windows 7 compter suddenly (Yes I'm just now getting to playing it what of it), so I guess this is an unintentional hiatus. How long it will last who can say. I might pop on to talk at the new guy at least, sometime.
EDIT: Also, a kind reminder, if you're doing something online (dailies, a dungeon run, crafting, if you're doing a lot of it to an extent (remember a crafting party will raise your crafting success as well as the other guy) etc.) don't forget to try to get current guildies online involved if you can. It's double important now that we've got a new random. Don't feel the need to wait around for them for hours if they're afk, but at least ask.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 01, 2012, 06:07:47 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 01, 2012, 10:36:27 pm
I'm sorry guys, I did this to him with my "Ghetto Oblivion on Steam". It's all my fault. :'(
...Not only has your incessant insolence cost the guild it's fine officer, but Oblivion?! He could be playing Morrowind-- HE COULD BE PLAYING SKYRIM!
...I will neither forgive, nor forget this on either of your parts... =_=
Looking to you see again soon, Bari ^o^
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 01, 2012, 10:52:23 pm
e: Okay tomorrow I'll switch with Bari, go on for all the easy daily missions and my farm and then play Oblivion all day herp herp
I will really be a major presence on Saturday, though. Rebirth and triple AP eeeeeeee
Post by: krisslanza on November 02, 2012, 02:10:52 am
Then I forget it's not fun unless I mod the crap out of it, and then I lose interest.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 02, 2012, 02:29:36 am
EDIT: Also, a kind reminder, if you're doing something online (dailies, a dungeon run, crafting, if you're doing a lot of it to an extent (remember a crafting party will raise your crafting success as well as the other guy) etc.) don't forget to try to get current guildies online involved if you can. It's double important now that we've got a new random. Don't feel the need to wait around for them for hours if they're afk, but at least ask.
You'll be pleased to know that Art and I took him-her rafting until we were too tuckered to raft anymore.
Time to take up thunder, I think :P
Post by: krisslanza on November 02, 2012, 03:02:36 am
Post by: Seriyu on November 02, 2012, 05:01:40 am
EDIT: Also, a kind reminder, if you're doing something online (dailies, a dungeon run, crafting, if you're doing a lot of it to an extent (remember a crafting party will raise your crafting success as well as the other guy) etc.) don't forget to try to get current guildies online involved if you can. It's double important now that we've got a new random. Don't feel the need to wait around for them for hours if they're afk, but at least ask.
You'll be pleased to know that Art and I took him-her rafting until we were too tuckered to raft anymore.
Time to take up thunder, I think :P
EXCELLENT
So, should I start the Cooking grind sometime? I know it's a pretty quick one, but I will need to find the gold to buy those expensive books at least... I don't think I wanna 'waste' my rebirth to swap to Cooking Talent over it. Will probably just rebirth to Puppets this time to try and finish up the event...
Don't feel compelled if you don't want to, feel free to do it whenever. There's no "solid time" when you need to do it. So if you feel like it, then go nuts.
And I'm enjoying oblivion so far but I have to say the "leveling problem" is kind've making me paranoid. I know I can just lower the difficulty but eeeeeehhhh.
Anyway.
Post by: krisslanza on November 02, 2012, 04:10:05 pm
I kind of wanted Mina or Ysolte though but...
Post by: Seriyu on November 02, 2012, 04:55:58 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 02, 2012, 05:22:35 pm
As it turns out, the teeth-patterned boots exchanged by the Natives at the docks for 11 stars, can be immediately re-sold for 4k gold. Thus, 11 stars = 4k, and one run about 20k. It's not exactly a miracle technique, and I don't know how it stacks up next to wyvern hunting, but it's certainly better gold-per-minute and less risk than most commerce runs.
Post by: TwilightWalker on November 02, 2012, 06:44:55 pm
So, while rafting with a random this morning I overheard an interesting bit of information regarding quick gold, and decided to put it to the test...
As it turns out, the teeth-patterned boots exchanged by the Natives at the docks for 11 stars, can be immediately re-sold for 4k gold. Thus, 11 stars = 4k, and one run about 20k. It's not exactly a miracle technique, and I don't know how it stacks up next to wyvern hunting, but it's certainly better gold-per-minute and less risk than most commerce runs.
You mean that isn't common knowledge? I knew it...
Post by: krisslanza on November 03, 2012, 02:08:40 am
It doesn't really have an effect. Wasted master enchant isssss kinda bad. The max damage is nice.
Yeah, I got that enchant and was like: " :( This is why I shouldn't do side quests BEFORE work..." because enchants... they should just make those not expire or something.
And my Milletian needs to start amassing a harem!
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 03, 2012, 02:23:11 am
As Don said: the moral of the story is you hate the enchanting system.
Post by: TwilightWalker on November 03, 2012, 02:47:48 am
Post by: Seriyu on November 03, 2012, 03:18:56 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 03, 2012, 10:31:26 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 03, 2012, 11:31:37 am
Post by: Sonlirain on November 03, 2012, 11:38:53 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 03, 2012, 11:40:05 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 03, 2012, 01:18:51 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 03, 2012, 06:42:33 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 03, 2012, 06:48:08 pm
Yeah it's pretty bad. It seems like they're going through latency issues, they'll likely be resolved, hopefully sooner rather then later.
Well, at least it's not just me... still, means I can't play Mabi right now. :(
Post by: Seriyu on November 03, 2012, 07:24:54 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 03, 2012, 09:56:25 pm
Yeah, just gotta wait for it. They've been fairly on top of lag lately, even if it sometimes takes a little bit of time to resolve, so best to just wait it out.Maybe post in here when you think it's gone so I'll know :P
Post by: Seriyu on November 04, 2012, 12:16:57 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 12:37:56 am
Ibid usually does that but I'll keep it in mind. I'd give it a few days/after the maint coming up tomorrow (I think).
Darn such a long wait. I was gonna rebirth like... tomorrow maybe. I don't think I wanna grind out to 50.
Post by: Seriyu on November 04, 2012, 02:09:18 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 02:13:32 am
Yeah, hopefully they'll slip in a latency fix to tomorrow's maintenance. No guarentees, and rebooting the server always seems to help a tad, if only for a little bit.
I hope so, gotta get 'dat triple AP! Fighter is AP expensive.
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 02:22:49 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 02:55:01 am
I keep seeing the thread title... double rainbow this and triple ap that. I've been considering popping back on mabi from time to time, but I still remember the last time I was on running alby advanced with Don and Mobz or I think it was his human, and I was getting some pretty bad lag spikes in there. Granted lag goes hand'n'hand with mabi, but how has it been lately?
Right now it's pretty bad. The event makes the weekends pretty rough.
Also I keep forgetting to work on Koas. Bad me.
I should totally put in a Glas Ghaibhleann megabeast.
Post by: Seriyu on November 04, 2012, 03:02:19 am
I keep seeing the thread title... double rainbow this and triple ap that. I've been considering popping back on mabi from time to time, but I still remember the last time I was on running alby advanced with Don and Mobz or I think it was his human, and I was getting some pretty bad lag spikes in there. Granted lag goes hand'n'hand with mabi, but how has it been lately?
Yeah it's pretty bad currently. Playable, but not good. You might try tomorrow after the maintenance finishes, but I make no promises. I might change the title when it lightens up. (in fact I think I'll go add a lag indicator right now that's a great idea)
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 03:06:51 am
I keep seeing the thread title... double rainbow this and triple ap that. I've been considering popping back on mabi from time to time, but I still remember the last time I was on running alby advanced with Don and Mobz or I think it was his human, and I was getting some pretty bad lag spikes in there. Granted lag goes hand'n'hand with mabi, but how has it been lately?
Yeah it's pretty bad currently. Playable, but not good. You might try tomorrow after the maintenance finishes, but I make no promises. I might change the title when it lightens up. (in fact I think I'll go add a lag indicator right now that's a great idea)
Actually you mean when the maintenance finishes TODAY because past midnight = next day! /nitpick
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 04, 2012, 09:58:45 am
The game has gotten so choppy since yesterday afternoon, I would no longer dub it "playable" at all. Despite that, I'm glad to see them performing another in what has seemed like a series of routine maintenances, and imagine things will be fine until the next after this morning. :D
Post by: alexwazer on November 04, 2012, 11:23:38 am
During week days, it tends to get much better, so Patchy, if you have time to hop on then, I wouldn't let the lag talks stop you. Besides, there's a lot of stuff that can be done even when the lag is out of hand: part-time jobs (you'll restart that from scratch, so the earlier you get back on the better :P ), crafting material gathering, low-tier dungeons, weapon proffing even commerce is manageable if you can accept a certain level of risk.
Also, the current triple AP event will last the whole month, unlike previous double rainbows which were only during week-ends, so this is a very good time to get back into Mabi. Even using only free rebirths, you could get 2 of those during the event, so that's an easy 300+ AP. Especially if you haven't done the Genesis G1-3 since they provide lots of AP too and tons of easy experience. You also have free VIP for the next 3 weeks, which is really nice if you want to work on crafting skills thanks to the extra inventory space.
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 12:31:09 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 04, 2012, 12:59:54 pm
I know what you mean about having issues on your side. It isn't much better here.
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 02:27:10 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 04, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 04, 2012, 04:59:20 pm
EDIT: Yeah someone mentioned the maint today, it happened, it just doesn't help. Which rules out that the servers are overheating I guess. Maybe something in one of the servers is goin bad.
EDIT2: Wow yeah, if these lag reports are accurate nexon basically can't ignore this if they want to have any semblence of maintaining their servers. So they'll prolly get it here fairly soon. They've been getting better about it. And Tasket, the presumably one tech guy on the forums (or perhaps one tech guy period) has flat out stopped posting since the first. I'd bet money on them working on what the issue is, now that it's clear it's not just a memory leak or server overload.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 04, 2012, 09:11:30 pm
One of the things that I am working on tonight, is list of dungeons rewards (both dropped and chest-bound) with a few notes. For instance, most people wouldn't think much of the low-resolution teeth-patterned boots obtained from Ciar beginner, but their 4k resell value would more than cover a newbie's repairs, never mind the chance for a rank A suffix scroll!
After that, I intend to compile information for a sort of flowchart on enchantment progression that will hopefully be a bit more optimal than consulting the wiki on the fly. :P
Post by: majikero on November 04, 2012, 09:40:44 pm
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 09:43:06 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 04, 2012, 10:40:31 pm
The lag is horrible. All I manage to do is the daily puppet event. Even then, I had to force myself to endure that for the 30 AP pots I'll get.
Well, in the meantime, why not brush up on your Irish Mythology? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians)
Those teeth patterned boots can also be found as random drops through rabbie normal and basic if I recall. Usually walk out of basic with 3 or 4 of them in addition to all the fomor scrolls.
I know where I'm going the next time DR rolls around. ^^
Post by: majikero on November 04, 2012, 10:43:10 pm
Well, I should go look for more thunder page 4 in normal while looking for a pass for advance to get ice spear pages.
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 10:51:52 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 10:55:13 pm
Post by: Patchy on November 04, 2012, 11:03:27 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 04, 2012, 11:14:58 pm
Gotta make 'dat gold! Though, you earn a good amount doing Commerce...Nobody likes commerce except Ibid and there's something wrong with him. :P
Hehe, back during g1 and 2 (early 08 maybe... darn memory is going on me), rabbie basic was the gold dungeon. Also only had access to tir dun and bangor, and tir was the main town.Dark days indeed. I remember seeing shields and thinking "geez who the hell is ever going to have 60k i better save up for a claymore those are waaay cooler".
Post by: krisslanza on November 04, 2012, 11:57:34 pm
Hehe, back during g1 and 2 (early 08 maybe... darn memory is going on me), rabbie basic was the gold dungeon. Also only had access to tir dun and bangor, and tir was the main town. Geeze and I miss the 5k dyes back then.
I thought the money maker back then was "whichever dungeon had the most Mimics" :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 05, 2012, 12:39:55 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 05, 2012, 12:47:47 am
Rabbie has many mimics... kinda.... but the real money's in the armored skeletons. Drop scrolls like crazy.
True, but the Armored Skeletons are also vastly harder to take down then Mimics.
Post by: Seriyu on November 05, 2012, 01:56:50 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 05, 2012, 02:09:00 am
Nah, they're fairly predictable, barring a sudden bow brandishing. :P
And they're multiaggro I think, and oneshot you. :P
Post by: Patchy on November 05, 2012, 02:26:04 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 05, 2012, 02:33:01 am
The skeles in normal and basic are single aggro. Though they can and will multi if you hit one while another one jus aggroed you. That usually happens after finishing one and you run to the next one, but another sees and aggros you before you hit the one you were going for. Best strat there is simply to wait after you kill one. Once you see the !!, then rush it, the skeles will usually run around for a bit before they load a skill, or decide to attack. And in multi skele aggro situation, best bet is to mill or play dead. And 1-shotting is nothin new in mabi, lots of mobs will do that, mabi has always been geared toward not taking the hits at all if you can help it.
That's the worst. When you go attack and JUST then one randomly aggros you...
Post by: TwilightWalker on November 05, 2012, 04:21:05 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 05, 2012, 07:13:47 am
If you're still experiencing latency, try logging into channel 2 or 3 and doing your thing. :)
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 05, 2012, 05:51:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 05, 2012, 05:55:06 pm
EDIT: Also, fact, channel 1 and 2 ARE hosted on different servers, so it's apparently just one of the servers acting up. Who knew. I think 7 might be on a different server too, but I'm not sure.
Post by: Patchy on November 05, 2012, 05:59:20 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 05, 2012, 06:00:55 pm
Post by: Patchy on November 05, 2012, 06:15:51 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 06, 2012, 01:53:03 am
Seriously, puppets are really good there if you have up to act 7. Use act 6, use act 4 for a bit of extra damage, then act 7 at them to finish them zombies off.
Post by: krisslanza on November 06, 2012, 03:18:31 am
Also lacked sexy Mabinogion women.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 06, 2012, 06:45:07 am
Patching up now.
I get it, I get it! 8)
With blatant disregard for Bari's mini-hiatus and Dir's life-threatening condition, I managed to purchase 6 Ciar dungeon boxes at a bargain price, and would like to see who and what we can muster for some hardmode fun. If an advanced pass pops out, we could always bring some of the lower-leveled folks along for, or even brave the worst that dungeon has to offer. :D
Addendum: I cannot overstate just how much I am enjoying the new talent system, especially in regard to the simple cosmetics, and I'm awestruck with the apparent number and variety of titles. Just a moment ago I passed someone on the side of the road wearing "Master Philosopher," which was interesting, since I'd never seen that before. Currently, I'm running around as a "Great Slayer," and have yet to bump into anyone else of the same "class."
It's really quite nice, and makes me a little nostalgic on the count of its similarity to the old FF Tactics games. ^^
Post by: Seriyu on November 06, 2012, 05:51:07 pm
EDIT: Also hey, maint tomorrow, scheduled. Is it for the lag? Who can say? At any rate the restart should help a tad.
EDIT2: Hey yeah channels 1-3 are great.
Post by: Skyrunner on November 06, 2012, 09:44:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 06, 2012, 10:03:39 pm
There's a list on the wiki if you're interested.
Post by: Skyrunner on November 06, 2012, 10:14:05 pm
Also, I think they scored the skills wrong. Herbalism, which is much easier to learn than Potionmaking, gives great hunks of XP, while Potionmaking (thousands of herbs a rank!) gives so little...
Post by: alexwazer on November 06, 2012, 10:23:31 pm
That being said, life skills talents are insanely easier to rank up than combat ones, but also provide much lower bonus (still very good).
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 06, 2012, 11:50:30 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 07, 2012, 05:45:08 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2012, 05:49:10 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 07, 2012, 06:01:04 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 07, 2012, 07:38:59 pm
I will likely be in on it then.
Next week is a busy week for me; I probably won't be around more than a few hours a day, except on Sunday and Monday...
And a brief update:
- Please welcome Catiana, our second non-B12er, to the guild if you see her when you log in. She's quite friendly, conversational, and has a sharp sense of humor. :)
- We still need a guild logo. Seriyu, you mentioned a dwarf sprite- throw me a link, would you? :P Everyone else, feel free to post your ideas (as well as those for the guild robe color scheme) here or pitch them in-game.
- Until further notice, I will now be paying 3k per cm for regular gems, and 20k per stack of holy water. Do not be afraid to take advantage of this!
- With any luck, I intend to have the guild felafel stand cooking by this weekend. For those of you who don't remember/forgot due to the effects of computer screen-induced tumors, the food kiosk will be up will be kept up while I am away on a certain channel, so that you can buy all the buff-gibing food and beverages you like at an affordable price!
- Commerce, Karu runs, hardmode, and some arena fun need to go down, soon!
Also, no to intimidate anyone, but I would like to suggest a *gulp* Peaca Normal run sometime early next month, after the triple AP business has passed. Last time we got a few rooms into the second floor, and as Donryu pointed out, the baddies we were butting heads with were almost as bad as they get in that dungeon. With our two premier archers, myself and another mage (Dir), and a few warriors/support people, I'd feel pretty confident.
Classifieds:
[] I'm looking for someone to prof a Lion Claw Lance. It's dirty work, but I promise it will pay well.
[] Buying mana herbs! Speak to me in-game, we'll talk.
Post by: Seriyu on November 07, 2012, 09:26:39 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on November 08, 2012, 03:02:05 am
It's official, everyone else is ahead of me :x
Post by: krisslanza on November 08, 2012, 03:41:21 am
Mana harbs~ D:
It's official, everyone else is ahead of me :x
I'm sure I'm behind you!
Post by: Seriyu on November 08, 2012, 05:06:10 am
Post by: Patchy on November 08, 2012, 12:09:01 pm
Post by: JimDale on November 08, 2012, 12:30:34 pm
I'd really like to maximize the power on my Highlander, but the durability on it is really starting to suffer due to bad rolls with repairs, and I'd rather not *waste* two upgrade slots just to do gem repairs.
Post by: alexwazer on November 08, 2012, 01:01:42 pm
Yeah, good part of the lag was coming from that. I was also lagging pretty badly around the Stonehenge and so did Direzie apparently, based on his Eagle refusal to land at some point. I'm also often getting some lag spikes after entering a new map, especially shadow missions. This is however my craputer's fault.
As for "catching up", you don't have all the much to do, well you probably will never catch up with Ibid unless he stops playing and might not be able to with Don either. However, you'll be able to catch up in overall possibilities faster than you think, especially with the triple AP going on.
However, you might want to rethink your skill growth plans. Since the Genesis update, smash is much much more useful, windmill isn't as much (awesome+1 instead of +3), ranking refining/life skill for Dex isn't as important since you get a lot more Dex from talents; production mastery by itself can rank several talents which almost always gives permanent Dex. A few of the new life skills are very cheap AP-wise while also providing decent or above decent stats.
@Jim
No idea about that, but it's usually possible to find one on housing board or in shops. If the cost is bit too high for you, we might be able to arrange something ("we" would probably include Ibid here :P).
Post by: Seriyu on November 08, 2012, 05:58:16 pm
Eh... you're probably ahead of me. Then again that tends to happen when I don't play regularly for over half a year. *shrugs* Barius, Don, Direzie, and Ibid apparently mince generation bosses now, and have plans for a peaca run soon, and have been semi-successful with one in the past. Yeah I feel a bit underpowered now, but it's all good. I just got a lot of catch-up to do. Though dunno if my dinosaur of a comp can play the catch-up game with mabi's resource requirements, the lag was pretty horrible for me last night. Though I suspect a lot of that came from having the entire alexina population condensed into only 3 working channels. Hopefully when Nexon fixes 4-7 my lag situation will even back out.
Yeahhhh I don't really mince generation bosses, and am only around cumulative 400. :p
Dir is around 200 I think? You've got a point with don and ibid though. The triple AP is a wonderful chance as alexwazer said, too
EDIT: Also, settings that have a particular effect on framerate.
Turn Hide Quest Info on.
Hide talent icons
Flip the V-Synch options around until you find out what works best, there may not be a noticible difference but it can be a huge thing
Water Reflections/shadows off, as your computer is old and probably not good at dealing with that sorta thing.
Post by: Seriyu on November 09, 2012, 05:51:28 pm
Post by: majikero on November 09, 2012, 06:22:00 pm
On the bright side, I got the new bell fox card.
Post by: Seriyu on November 09, 2012, 06:25:56 pm
EDIT: As a note 4-7 is starting to lag again. I'd just start the exodus to 1-3 now.
EDIT2: Bellfox prefix title, +8 max damage, +10 HP, so it's really nice.
Post by: krisslanza on November 10, 2012, 03:15:25 am
Triple AP + Double Rainbow = x6 AP?
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 10, 2012, 03:50:04 am
Also, I will be futilely attempting Ghost of Partholon tomorrow. Stay tuned.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 10, 2012, 03:01:17 pm
Goldurnit.
Post by: krisslanza on November 10, 2012, 03:30:02 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 10, 2012, 06:58:45 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 11, 2012, 02:34:41 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 11, 2012, 02:48:29 pm
Attention Fjallheimers: our first Guilde Robe is now available from Eavan in Dunbarton under the corresponding tag- be wanred, it is quite dwarfy! :P
So it's on fire and made from the skin of cats?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 11, 2012, 05:11:37 pm
Attention Fjallheimers: our first Guilde Robe is now available from Eavan in Dunbarton under the corresponding tag- be wanred, it is quite dwarfy! :P
So it's on fire and made from the skin of cats?
Metaphorically speaking, yes!
Post by: Patchy on November 11, 2012, 06:42:02 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 11, 2012, 06:46:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 11, 2012, 11:03:00 pm
I think it may just be faster to run lots and lots of missions and hoping they appear in the end chests.
Post by: majikero on November 11, 2012, 11:16:38 pm
I put the catastrophic enchant on my hat expecting it to replace the mana magician suffix but it went into the prefix slot.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 11, 2012, 11:28:28 pm
Also Bari what kind of upgrade stones were you looking for? I got a blue one hunting cows.
e: In other news, I succeeded at cloning Life Drain crystals at a 24% success rate with my crappy rE synthesis oh god it feels so good
and I have a Crag Cow elite pass, on my giant unfortunately, but we can probably make things work.
Post by: Seriyu on November 12, 2012, 05:11:19 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 12, 2012, 05:38:07 pm
I work 50 hours this week, so I will probably be scarce. Message me if anything explodes.
Post by: Seriyu on November 12, 2012, 06:12:08 pm
FALSE ALARM YA'LL
For serious.
Post by: majikero on November 12, 2012, 07:55:23 pm
Anyways. Alot of people seems to go on and off and a few are there all the time. I think November is the busiest month for alot of people.
Post by: Seriyu on November 12, 2012, 08:17:30 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 12, 2012, 09:17:46 pm
Seriously, I was a bit dumbfounded by that previous message. I haven't been on as much lately, because College and MOAR College, but whenever I've been on, I've seen more activity within the last week than in the previous 2 or 3 weeks. So I had the impression things looked brighter and... wait, you've got a migraine don't you?
I don't think there's any reason to worry. If anyone's bored because there's no one else, they either need to find something to do on their own or post here to suggest something to do. I'm usually glad (too much in fact) to drop college stuff for an hour or two to do something else, but I'm too mentally exhausted (and just generally lazy) to take any initiative.
Post by: Seriyu on November 12, 2012, 10:13:02 pm
FALSE ALARM YA'LL
EDIT: Went ahead and edited the post because it's clear I've been too worried about this stuff, hawhaw. No sense in causing undue duress.
Post by: Seriyu on November 14, 2012, 05:42:10 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 15, 2012, 04:36:16 am
Bumpin. I do not have much to say as I haven't been on (I might start getting on for dailies at least), but I don't want to have to dig through the topic list when I do get back so.
Take as long as you need. ^_^
It's fairly ironic, finding how much more I can enjoy a good Mabinogi binge after taking a few days off.
And for what it's worth, both of the new recruits seem quite content with the guild as far as I can tell, and adding a handful more in due time will probably work in favor of Fjallheim's survival when the rest of us take our breaks to recuperate. :P
Post by: Seriyu on November 15, 2012, 05:16:51 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 17, 2012, 03:13:54 am
Yeah definitely, I just dunno if they're quiiiiite self sufficient yet.
They're certainly getting there. It's nice to see folks like Abben and Catiana relaly getting into the game, and taking the reins on guildchat. Future B12ers, those ones. :P On that note, Catiana has expressed an interest in combat, but is having trouble, even with the basics. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to take her along on a good dungeon run, so if anyone here crosses her path, you might just do that.
And to close the day, I'd like to welcome our newest guildie, Nanaho. This was the one I was really hoping would join us about a week and a half ago, but who wound up going with Academia instead. It turned out that they weren't all they were cracked up to be, so we've gone ahead and taken her in. :D
Post by: Seriyu on November 17, 2012, 03:31:16 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 17, 2012, 05:22:00 am
Post by: Singularity125 on November 18, 2012, 02:27:52 pm
But I have so many other games to play and things to do! And a full-time job! Must... resist... >.<
...Well, I'm not going home for thanksgiving, but I have two days off. I probably won't be resisting that well. xD
Post by: alexwazer on November 18, 2012, 06:07:30 pm
I'll still be logging on here and there, but until I've got my fill of space related fun, don't expect to see me often :P
Oh and also, exams coming up.
Post by: Patchy on November 19, 2012, 06:59:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well I had a fun little bout of nostalgia, finding her again and even running her around the world of mabi for a bit. Also found a few other of my forgotten about accounts though none near as old as this one.
Post by: krisslanza on November 20, 2012, 11:56:58 am
Post by: Seriyu on November 20, 2012, 10:24:17 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 20, 2012, 10:47:11 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 21, 2012, 11:18:02 am
In other news, I'm feeling a lot better this morning, so if anyone has anything planned for latter in the day (I know that Xandak wanted to steamroll his-her G1 finale) I'll more than likely be game.
Aside from that, I've had a bit of an urge to raft and hot air balloon lately, and some our our newer Fjallheimers are there with me... so a nice clean-up of Suytu river might be overdue. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 21, 2012, 12:14:36 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 21, 2012, 04:02:36 pm
I thought you sold your soul a long time ago. :P
Nope, that was yours! ;D
Speaking of soul-selling-- THE RETURN OF THE PHOENIX IS NIGH! 8)
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 21, 2012, 04:07:03 pm
EEEEEEEEE!!!
Post by: Seriyu on November 21, 2012, 05:50:13 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 22, 2012, 05:35:59 am
First and foremost, let's welcome our newest guildie, Deadcygnus (I know I butchered his name to the guild), a.k.a. Diclonii's brother! From what I can tell, he's well-armed and armoring, but still getting started, and will probably be happy to join up in on our many excursions.
Second, for you Seriyu- I managed to rustle up Liberty Saber for 450k, grey metal hilt and a gold blade. They don't get much cheaper or cleaner than that! Unfortunately, it's missing 4 points of durability, which I would gladly have had repaired.. if it didn't cost 42k. :P On the bright side, the proficiency is already at 90. For your bank's sake, I hope you intend to ego that thing. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 22, 2012, 03:47:21 pm
Also please tell me you are really going through with "A Very Fjallheim Thanksgiving" :P
Post by: Seriyu on November 22, 2012, 06:03:27 pm
Posting here for good measure!
First and foremost, let's welcome our newest guildie, Deadcygnus (I know I butchered his name to the guild), a.k.a. Diclonii's brother! From what I can tell, he's well-armed and armoring, but still getting started, and will probably be happy to join up in on our many excursions.
Second, for you Seriyu- I managed to rustle up Liberty Saber for 450k, grey metal hilt and a gold blade. They don't get much cheaper or cleaner than that! Unfortunately, it's missing 4 points of durability, which I would gladly have had repaired.. if it didn't cost 42k. :P On the bright side, the proficiency is already at 90. For your bank's sake, I hope you intend to ego that thing. :P
Pff, like buying a sabre for 400k every few months would be any better. :P
I think I can manage, thank yah! I appreciate it.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 22, 2012, 08:21:25 pm
I saw one for 435k but then I was too poor and I already bought him something, so I decided not to.
Also please tell me you are really going through with "A Very Fjallheim Thanksgiving" :P
I think I slept through it. DX
Post by: majikero on November 23, 2012, 09:08:31 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 23, 2012, 09:21:19 pm
I just realize there's a maid/butler package and commerce partner on sale.
Yeah I bought some myself. I so want more maids, but I don't need Butlers so... bleh.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 23, 2012, 10:35:28 pm
RAGE OVER ENTIRELY INSIGNIFICANT THINGS
e: Apparently it was actually announced, but it was added as an edit to the other sale announcement. Darn.
Post by: majikero on November 23, 2012, 10:52:04 pm
Time to grind for glowing parts then or is getting 2mil easier?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 23, 2012, 11:25:09 pm
HAPPY DAY! I finally found exploration page 4! :D
Time to grind for glowing parts then or is getting 2mil easier?
For the number of times we've actually run a glowing dungeon, I would say that the drop rate has been very good. Right now, I have two statues (gnu and imp) and I imagine you could find more at less than 2 mil if those aren't enough.
I myself won't have enough time for a good Karu run until Sunday afternoon PST, but you're welcome to these. Alternatively, myself and others (if they wanted to come along) could run it for you. :)
Post by: majikero on November 23, 2012, 11:27:56 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 23, 2012, 11:33:02 pm
Post by: krisslanza on November 24, 2012, 12:06:18 am
Huh, there are also pajama and Winter Wolf character cards. I was going to wait for a special card but I ended up just getting a regular one and now I'm a bit angry because they didn't announce those and I spent a teeny bit more nx than I could have arghargaararharargr
RAGE OVER ENTIRELY INSIGNIFICANT THINGS
e: Apparently it was actually announced, but it was added as an edit to the other sale announcement. Darn.
I have like 8 and something k in Credit. Then like 5k in Prepay. Not enough for the Bell :(
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 24, 2012, 12:16:43 am
Doesn't come with a title, though. Oh well.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 24, 2012, 12:57:55 am
Huh, there are also pajama and Winter Wolf character cards. I was going to wait for a special card but I ended up just getting a regular one and now I'm a bit angry because they didn't announce those and I spent a teeny bit more nx than I could have arghargaararharargr
RAGE OVER ENTIRELY INSIGNIFICANT THINGS
e: Apparently it was actually announced, but it was added as an edit to the other sale announcement. Darn.
I have like 8 and something k in Credit. Then like 5k in Prepay. Not enough for the Bell :(
I have a pretty good-looking Bell Fox outfit (F). Next time we log in together, we could talk about a trade. :)
Oh, and sorry for the D/C last night. Yet another wonderful power outage. >_> I don't think I will be on much until Sunday, as I am currently developing an addiction to FTL and Mount and Blade: Warband (Female mercenaries during medieval times for the win! :D)
Curse you, indie-game goodness!
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 24, 2012, 01:04:41 am
Post by: krisslanza on November 24, 2012, 01:27:12 am
Huh, there are also pajama and Winter Wolf character cards. I was going to wait for a special card but I ended up just getting a regular one and now I'm a bit angry because they didn't announce those and I spent a teeny bit more nx than I could have arghargaararharargr
RAGE OVER ENTIRELY INSIGNIFICANT THINGS
e: Apparently it was actually announced, but it was added as an edit to the other sale announcement. Darn.
I have like 8 and something k in Credit. Then like 5k in Prepay. Not enough for the Bell :(
I have a pretty good-looking Bell Fox outfit (F). Next time we log in together, we could talk about a trade. :)
Oh, and sorry for the D/C last night. Yet another wonderful power outage. >_> I don't think I will be on much until Sunday, as I am currently developing an addiction to FTL and Mount and Blade: Warband (Female mercenaries during medieval times for the win! :D)
Curse you, indie-game goodness!
As if I could afford trading :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 24, 2012, 03:25:44 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 25, 2012, 01:36:51 am
They're all gonna expire, oh nooooo
Anyway so Aco, my sister, and I were running it and it wasn't actually as bad as Bariaus kept trying to tell me. I am definitely up to do more of this.
Post by: Seriyu on November 25, 2012, 05:28:12 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 25, 2012, 06:57:44 pm
So, 2 things to note from that: I'll be off for longer than expected (RB at 10) and I'm expecting to get back in eventually (future frustration avoided from having stuff inaccessible in VIP).
I've realized that with the multiple double rainbows and events, I've been mostly working on achieving... whatever, instead of simply enjoying the game with the character as they are. I cannot enjoy a game by focusing only on the destination, I also need to enjoy the journey. Bwahaha, this sounds so silly, but true. So I'll be back when I actually feel like playing, rather than getting stuff done.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 25, 2012, 08:09:21 pm
THE FREE VIP ENDS TOMORROW CLEAR OUT YOUR JUNKS BEFORE YOU LOSE IT FOREVER!!!
Post by: Singularity125 on November 25, 2012, 09:02:40 pm
Seriously, every time this game gets a wave of attention, it gets a wave of lag to go with it. Unfortunate, that. :-\
Post by: krisslanza on November 25, 2012, 09:55:15 pm
I'm in a similar boat to alexwazer, except that I'll be back when the crippling lag is gone. :P
Seriously, every time this game gets a wave of attention, it gets a wave of lag to go with it. Unfortunate, that. :-\
The Nexon hamsters are always a bit out of shape.
Post by: Seriyu on November 26, 2012, 05:38:09 pm
Then again maybe I'm just comparing it to the previous god awful lag, that was litterally so bad you couldn't move.
Logged in today after a 2 weeks hiatus. I didn't really play, I cleared all bags and VIP inventory and rebirthed my characters to 10 years old, using the bell-fox cards I got for Don and Kyu before I left (d'aww, so cute).
So, 2 things to note from that: I'll be off for longer than expected (RB at 10) and I'm expecting to get back in eventually (future frustration avoided from having stuff inaccessible in VIP).
I've realized that with the multiple double rainbows and events, I've been mostly working on achieving... whatever, instead of simply enjoying the game with the character as they are. I cannot enjoy a game by focusing only on the destination, I also need to enjoy the journey. Bwahaha, this sounds so silly, but true. So I'll be back when I actually feel like playing, rather than getting stuff done.
Yeah, it's fine, no worries. :p
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 27, 2012, 10:30:35 pm
- The quiz show is a thing, and will continue being a thing until December 12th. So get your flamemare before then, if you want one.
- I saw some people petitioning about farming requiring VIP now because of bots. So... if you farm........ which I think like 2 people do... be aware. Oh well.
Post by: krisslanza on November 28, 2012, 03:02:20 am
Okay, sort of a bump for not-very-important news:
- The quiz show is a thing, and will continue being a thing until December 12th. So get your flamemare before then, if you want one.
- I saw some people petitioning about farming requiring VIP now because of bots. So... if you farm........ which I think like 2 people do... be aware. Oh well.
I would totally farm if I could actually remember to take care of the crops...
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 28, 2012, 06:49:07 pm
Also we're all hiatusing at once. I just hit a million gold (not much but OMFG 1 MIL!!!) which has been like a lifetime goal for me so I think I'll follow suit. Maybe.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 28, 2012, 06:50:56 pm
Also we're all hiatusing at once. I just hit a million gold (not much but OMFG 1 MIL!!!) which has been like a lifetime goal for me so I think I'll follow suit. Maybe.
Post by: majikero on November 28, 2012, 08:12:23 pm
I got the last 30AP pot from the puppet event. Don't really care about the quiz event. I suck at those.
I'm trying to earn 5mil to buy the
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 28, 2012, 09:11:59 pm
Page 1 and 5 can be gotten from Coill Elemental, which I still need to do. I'll keep an eye out for any pages from there.
Page 4... Kitty Wizards.... Rundal Siren...... You're on your own there, except pass hunting. You can probably just buy a suspicious pass and then get it changed into a siren pass, and I think you are way strong enough to do that alone. Stop being modest it's true you are super powerful Aco.
Post by: majikero on November 28, 2012, 09:25:38 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 28, 2012, 09:27:52 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 29, 2012, 01:43:57 am
Dunno about the randoms.
See: College finals.
I'll be back, soon enough, at least to chat with some of my favorite peoples (you folks!) and goof around. I think that Donkyuseilex hit the nail on the head for me as well- too much time spent trying to hit nails, and not enough put toward just roaming around. Which is inevitable when you binge-play MMOs, but still, not good.
So, for now I reckon I'll just binge on indie games, relax before the holiday rush, and bide my time until I'm feeling more enthusiastic. :P
On that note, I need to unearth some more careerist roguelikes...
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 29, 2012, 02:28:37 am
Except Shock 6. Dang dullahans.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 29, 2012, 02:55:19 am
Post by: Seriyu on November 29, 2012, 06:05:04 am
Post by: majikero on November 29, 2012, 09:42:37 am
Anyways, I've manage to make a decent combat style with my puppet/magic combo. I'm looking forward to test it out in a party.
Post by: majikero on November 30, 2012, 09:48:00 am
Control Bar skills:
Wire Pull - use wires to pull enemies towards you. Useful for separating a single target from a group. You can even use it to save someone from a combo by pulling enemies away from them. Needs testing on group settings.
Puppet's Snare - holds enemies for 3-6 seconds depending on rank. Deals damage per second and one last big damage on release. Useful for holding things down. Needs testing on group settings.
Marionette skills:
Colossus/Pierrot marionette - summons a giant or a little girl for you to control. Actually two separate skills with no difference in stats. Rank whichever you like best in appearance. Marionette appearance changes at rank 9 and rank 5. Ranking this increases marionette stats.
Control Marionette - the actual skill needed to use the puppet. Ranking this increases marionette attack. 70% of player attack stats is transferred to marionette under control. Higher ranks unlocks more puppet skills.
Act 1: Inciting Incident - weak smash like attack with stun. Below rank 9, the stun is almost as long as the recovery from knockback. At rank 9 stun is 2 seconds and 3 seconds at rank 1.
Act 2: Threshold Cutter - a 3-hit combo skill. Gives bonus crit chance and each hit can crit. At rank 1, can cause more damage than smash with 700% total plus 35% crit bonus on each hit.
Act 4: Rising action - AoE skill around the user. Has bigger range and damage than windmill but longer cooldown and fewer stats at the same rank.
Act 6: Crisis - AoE skill around the marionette. Pulls enemies within range towards the puppet and has a provoke effect for a few seconds. Also gives the marionette a defense bonus slightly longer than provoke duration. Nice skill remove aggro and bunch up enemies for other AoE skills. Needs Control skill at rank B to learn.
Act 7: Climatic Crash - room clearing AoE skill. Marionette charges forward with a wide attack and disconnects from the user. Can hit multiple times if enemies are still in the attack path. Skill button needs to be held down till the screen flashes white to use. Needs Control skill at rank 9 to learn.
Act 9: Invigorating Encore - bring the marionette to life. It will have it's own Ai when not controlled and attack anything within range. Activation causes a weak AoE burst and boost marionette attack. Bonus will stack with Control skill. To activate, you need to build up a spirit gauge by using other Act skills. Needs rank 5 in Control skill to learn.
Marionette maintenance:
Your marionette has it's own HP and increases with each rank of it's summon skill. It does not have any self-recovery. Only Huw can heal your marionette for a price but Marionette potions can be bought from any healers. When your marionette "die", either bring it to Huw or use a repair kit bought from healers. Overusing marionette potions can reduce the total health similar to injuries. This can be fix by Huw or use of repair kits.
Potions can be crafted.
Marionette 50 potion
-bloody herb
-base potion
-tin ore
100 potion
-sunlight herb
-base potion
-tin ore
-zinc ore
-10 mana
300 potion
-mana herb
-base potion
-tin ore
-zinc ore
-nickel ore
-10 mana
500 potion
-golden herb
-base potion
-tin ore
-zinc ore
-nickel ore
-20 mana
You can also craft 30 potion but why the hell would you want to?
Tin, zinc and nickel ore can only be made with metal conversion.
Copper->Tin
Silver->Zinc
Gold->Nickel
You can also craft the repair kit but it easier to just buy them.
Post by: TwilightWalker on December 07, 2012, 11:22:48 am
Post by: krisslanza on December 07, 2012, 02:47:26 pm
Also seems Mabinogi 2 now has a name and has some trailers. Mabinogi 2: Arena.
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 02:48:20 pm
Post by: Aklyon on December 07, 2012, 03:14:35 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 07, 2012, 03:34:41 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 07, 2012, 03:45:17 pm
And a mecha.
Sounds like its either that, or its obtained elements of the elder scrolls.
8)
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 05:21:29 pm
I'll post pictures of my
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 07, 2012, 05:24:31 pm
I've really just been not playing because suddenly my internet speeds are down the chute. They are terrible.
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 05:28:27 pm
Check the wiki. G17 season 3 imminent. Monster transformation will be added to adventure talent. Also delicious daily AP quest.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 07, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
Also doesn't G17S3 reduce EXP requirements to level up? I remember reading somewhere that it'd be a lot easier to get to level 100 in a single rebirth. And it adds AP to the Chapter 3 quests (G9-12), too.
Mabi on Steaaaaaaaaam~Where was this? I must see for my own eyes.
e: Whoa, it is. It's just kinda there in the Steam Store, with no announcement on the Mabinogi site. Though considering that they've only recently announced the quiz event, despite it starting a couple weeks ago or so....
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 05:35:10 pm
Post by: Aklyon on December 07, 2012, 05:40:53 pm
Tis what reminded me of this thread, actually >.>
Post by: Seriyu on December 07, 2012, 06:24:04 pm
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 06:41:37 pm
I sold all my gems in a kiosk. I tried selling potions but it seems that potion prices still hasn't recovered from the potion fishing event. 100 potions sell for 15k on MP and 10k for HP and SP. My best seller is fine leather that sells for 7k each and holy water.
Man I love that little cart. Too bad I didn't take advantage of it during the free VIP. I got VIP till Christmas. I think I'm addicted to VIP service. I'm still not doing gatcha like some people here. :P
Also, I somehow got a pure white maid uniform for 15k. I think that was a typo. I traded my only white dye for a black one but I think I was scammed. It looks like dark purple to me.
Post by: alexwazer on December 07, 2012, 08:52:08 pm
So short version of it coming on...
It's nice to see Mabi showing up on Steam. I might hop in once in a while. It would not be for any specific reason, but I kinda miss smashing stuff already, so random wandering and smashing.
Besides, while I haven't played at all lately and might not be on much still in the near future, I always check here for updates and stuff. So if anyone plans something, like karu/peaca/G3 finale run, and want some extra help, I would gladly join if I can.
I might be over my head in college stuff right now, but it never (sadly) stopped me from spending
Post by: majikero on December 07, 2012, 10:21:29 pm
I knew it. :D
Post by: Skyrunner on December 07, 2012, 10:36:58 pm
The two videos that have been revealed are, respectively, a trailer and a combat technical demo. But the trailer looks exactly like Vindictus (slash slash flash flash monsters flying everywhere), and the backstory indicates that we'll have no freedom except in the "Arena", where we fight for the gods and perhaps against the gods. The Arena is probably a synonym for instanced dungeon.
The tech demo says that Z,X,C are the three keys used to fight, harkening back to the four-button arcade brawler games, where there are three attack buttons and one 'jump' button. It also reminds me of DFO, where Z and X are attack buttons, while C is 'jump'. How it will translate to 3D is hard to tell, but I suppose they've had done a good job.
The main reason the videos seem to be a let-down is because, being a player of Mabinogi, I expected more of that goodness, a 3D overworld, crafting as a more serious part of Mabinogi (unlike now, cough cough >.>), maybe a new combat system, and of course, lots of clothes. :D
What the video tells me is that, in accordance with the idea that having a big overworld like WOW does only serves to drive up costs for little benefit, they will restrict the game area to a couple towns and have no field combat, just instanced dungeons, like Vindictus. And while that might appeal to some people, I liked the systems like grinding so much crafting, or wandering around, or just hanging around the wild. What I would have liked is a game that — against the general flow of things, where combat is the alpha and omega of game dev in MMORPGs — actually expanded on those elements. Perhaps a more interactive crafting system with less grinding, or perhaps a wilderness exploration that worked like an instanced dungeon. Perhaps, even with high levels, having monsters that actually challenged you (and not in the ARGH WHY DOESN'T MY DAMAGE GET IN kind of cheap, false difficulty). Dx
So TLDR: I probably think Mabi 2 is going to be more like Vindictus than Mabinogi, but we should wait to see.
Also, sad that the party's over and everyone's going home now xD Everything's been done and there's nothing left .
Post by: Aklyon on December 08, 2012, 12:15:03 am
Post by: Skyrunner on December 08, 2012, 12:18:44 am
Post by: majikero on December 08, 2012, 12:24:09 am
Post by: krisslanza on December 08, 2012, 05:06:25 am
Still, the part I'm focusing on is that, if it follows in Vindictus's steps like it seems to have so far, it probably won't have an overworld. It's actually one of the new fads, to reduce unneeded development costs in MMORPGs, I think. It also seems combat oriented, and not at all about a fantasy life. The name itself says "Arena"...
I believe Mabinogi 2 was always going to be a "upgraded" Vindictus in a sense. As Mabinogi Heroes has shown the "darker" side to the Mabinogi world, and people seem to like it. Mabinogi 2 is basically continuing this, as it's not longer a light-hearted romp through the world, as even in Mabinogi, you're seeing all the shadows creeping around.
Also Mabinogi 2's earliest tech demos consisted of little more then showing off the physics engine, which even modeled individual plates of armor moving. Also the rippling or a horse's muscles, so possibly there might be SOME overworld. Oh, and also breasts that actually seem kind of realistic. That's important. Clearly.
Post by: Skyrunner on December 08, 2012, 05:29:10 am
Post by: krisslanza on December 08, 2012, 12:13:08 pm
Well, I think they could have kept it dark, but with things to do, like Mabinogi 1. Another Vindictus would probably just divide their own fanbase...
Looking at it, it still seems a bit different from Vindictus. Although it currently does look like an 'upgraded' Vindictus.
Post by: Aklyon on December 08, 2012, 01:07:46 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 08, 2012, 01:21:22 pm
Is there any info on what engine it has? Because as far as the options screen looks, Vindictus uses source.
I think it was being made on a brand new engine due to the completely different physics in, like, everything. But don't quote me.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 08, 2012, 06:24:56 pm
Oh, and also breasts that actually seem kind of realistic. That's important. Clearly.
I prefer two protruding rectangles for bewbs.
Post by: Seriyu on December 08, 2012, 08:00:45 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 08, 2012, 08:57:45 pm
I'll download it tonight.
Post by: majikero on December 08, 2012, 10:37:25 pm
I think I can recruit people in the guild but I''m not sure. I think the guild stone isn't there anymore.
Anyways, send me a note or friend request or mail, whatever.
IGN: Acolyte0
Also post your game name here.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 08, 2012, 11:20:22 pm
I think the guild stone isn't there anymore.
Whaa? We should be up under premium until December 24th... and I'll gladly spot another month or two before that. :P
Post by: majikero on December 08, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Anyways, since it's Saturday, I tried synthesizing a war sword using 1 kite shield and 2 gathering knives. I got a slightly stronger fluted short sword. Anyone wants it?
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 09, 2012, 10:59:51 am
Just got finished getting owned by an armadillo, though.
My IGN is Kathias.
I'll throw you a friend request, majikero, if I can figure out how.
Post by: Seriyu on December 09, 2012, 06:42:58 pm
Post by: majikero on December 09, 2012, 07:34:07 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 09, 2012, 08:12:23 pm
Ibid still needs to log in and accept the people I invite though.
Unless you've invited more into the fold since the two I accepted this morning, we should be up to date. ;)
As an alternative, Seriyu is going to be away a while yet and is willing, I could always pass Officer privileges to you. I don't want to push the idea, however, since he is essentially the guild's B12 founder. I'd pass mine on if I could, but alas...
Post by: Seriyu on December 09, 2012, 11:31:06 pm
Post by: Rose on December 09, 2012, 11:58:24 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 10, 2012, 06:30:09 am
EDIT: Anyway, you guys wont see me until tomorrow or the day after, I'm deleting my character and trying out a new one.
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 10, 2012, 05:40:20 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 10, 2012, 05:55:44 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 07:37:04 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 12, 2012, 07:54:08 pm
Since they give mounts to F2P players during the tutorial now I Honestly think that's about the only thing. There's a lot of P2P only clothing/armor, but due to how armor works it's mostly for show.
(namely all armor of a certain category, clothing,light,heavy all have the same stats and upgrades barring some end game armor sets that aren't P2P, and some that are, although all the big name stuff is F2P, so basically all clothing is statistically the same, all light is the same, all heavy is the same, etc. Wear whatcha want.)
So basically there's a lot of F2P content, pretty much as much as there is P2P content, and you'll mostly just have to travel light if you go F2P, which again, if you're interested in combat is easy. If you wanna craft, it's doable, but be prepare to do some inventory tetris/inventory juggling.
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 07:55:48 pm
You're stuck with a small inventory.
You get an experience penalty from killing monsters in one spot.(Anti-bot feature)
You can only get cash shop items from players.
Extra inventory comes from cash pets.
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 07:56:40 pm
Most MMO-type crafting are quite boring in my opinion, especially that of WoW's system.
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 07:57:47 pm
Basically.
Post by: alexwazer on December 12, 2012, 08:05:42 pm
You pick raw materials. Refine said materials. Make items.
Basically.
+ mini game
Mini games aren't too thrilling, but at least they allow you to do something that can affect the crafting results. Yay!
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 08:08:01 pm
Why is this thing not downloading yet?
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 08:14:13 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 08:15:55 pm
edit: Wait.. I seem to have it in steam's folder, then why didn't I see it download on steam itself?
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 08:19:28 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 08:22:46 pm
So.. what server are you guys on?
And what was the name of the guild again?
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 08:25:22 pm
The guild is Fjallheim. Stone is in port Cobh, turn left before before the path down.
have a wiki
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/
Post by: Ultimuh on December 12, 2012, 08:26:19 pm
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 08:29:31 pm
Post by: majikero on December 12, 2012, 08:40:17 pm
Died on the first floor. I underestimated this place. Gonna need more MP pots.
Post by: alexwazer on December 12, 2012, 10:19:48 pm
Unless you are overly determined in doing it solo, you might want to wait until this week-end. I won't have time to do a run until friday evening, but would gladly join if you go during the week-end. Oh and you would have to mention it here as otherwise I easily not even log in.
Post by: Ultimuh on December 13, 2012, 09:55:57 am
Post by: adwarf on December 15, 2012, 04:14:58 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 15, 2012, 04:41:20 pm
I'll have to make time at some point though...
Post by: Seriyu on December 15, 2012, 05:26:15 pm
Combat training is really weird.. o_O
Combat in general is hard to get the hang of, don't be afraid to ask for pointers from other people in guild, or in thread!
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 15, 2012, 08:40:13 pm
Open up with a normal attack combo, assault slash when the enemy is knocked down.
Switch to counter attack,
Switch defense, block attack,
hit them with normals until knocked down, assault slash,
counter attack,
defense, hit with combo,
assault slash...
Rinse and repeat.
Post by: majikero on December 15, 2012, 08:56:28 pm
Also, why is there double rainbow?
Post by: adwarf on December 15, 2012, 09:00:17 pm
What, other people are online? Why do I only see 2 people online for the past week then?I just started to get on today, but yeah there is a double rainbow woot!
Also, why is there double rainbow?
Post by: majikero on December 15, 2012, 09:01:06 pm
Post by: adwarf on December 15, 2012, 09:01:57 pm
Too bad its already ending then. Why won't they go non-stop rainbow for the weekend?I'd prefer if they did non-stop rainbow for a week over Christmas time :p Then I haz all the free-times
Post by: majikero on December 15, 2012, 09:02:57 pm
Quote
What's in store for Shamala:
-Transformation mastery
-Lord Missions
-Demon Weapons
-Snowball fight event
-Winter character cards
-Cheetah Pet
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 15, 2012, 10:23:51 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 15, 2012, 11:36:33 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 16, 2012, 12:12:54 am
Post by: majikero on December 16, 2012, 12:39:41 am
I wish they do 24hour rainbow like before.
Also, how much do thunder pg4 sell for?
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 16, 2012, 01:05:04 am
Post by: krisslanza on December 16, 2012, 11:12:24 am
Post by: Seriyu on December 16, 2012, 05:27:38 pm
Post by: majikero on December 16, 2012, 06:00:26 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 16, 2012, 08:26:30 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 16, 2012, 08:30:41 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 16, 2012, 08:31:46 pm
Think i'll make this one my dedicated blacksmith.
Because a Grand Master Blacksmith title would look awesome on a giant swinging around a huge hammer.
Post by: majikero on December 16, 2012, 09:35:26 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 16, 2012, 09:41:34 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 16, 2012, 09:42:44 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 16, 2012, 11:07:54 pm
Post by: Sergius on December 17, 2012, 09:30:08 pm
EDIT: I'm trying to "rescue the villager" in some dungeon, but after I kill the spider nothing happens, the villager just sort of roams around the screen and I can't talk to it!
EDIT2: NVM, I had to click on the statue at the end and leave :P
Post by: adwarf on December 19, 2012, 02:30:53 pm
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 02:42:46 pm
I hope the other guildies comes back.
Post by: adwarf on December 19, 2012, 03:37:18 pm
Still tomorrow, can't wait though.I do to, if only so I can find a way to throw snowballs at people >: D
I hope the other guildies comes back.
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 19, 2012, 07:57:34 pm
I feel like i've done everything already.
That being said, I haven't come close.
Plus, Christmas is coming up, and with that, comes new games.
*Cough* Call of Duty
Anyway, don't know how much more you guys will see me, it was a pretty fun game while it lasted though.
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 08:17:44 pm
Still, you might miss the Christmas update tomorrow.
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 19, 2012, 08:49:35 pm
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 08:56:19 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 19, 2012, 08:59:29 pm
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 09:01:37 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 19, 2012, 09:04:07 pm
So, really, nothing in this update means a thing to me.
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 09:12:57 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 19, 2012, 09:23:55 pm
Depends on how much fun the snowball fight is.
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 09:26:37 pm
I give Nexon 50/50 odds that something will break. Just a warning.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 19, 2012, 09:36:07 pm
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2012, 09:38:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So yes, AP quest and lower exp requirements. (hopefully)
Post by: majikero on December 20, 2012, 06:04:58 pm
NPC transformation is cash shop gatcha. Boo!
Snowball fight. Yay!
Monster summoning urn gatcha. Boo!
Character card based on The Nutcracker. Yay!
Join us this Christmas season.
Edit. Holy cow transformation is fun! 15AP everday!
Edit2. It's not 15 AP. Its 15 AP coupon and 10coupon = 1AP.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 20, 2012, 09:36:03 pm
Edit2. It's not 15 AP. Its 15 AP coupon and 10coupon = 1AP.
Reiterate?
Post by: majikero on December 20, 2012, 10:09:02 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 21, 2012, 05:11:09 am
Post by: Seriyu on December 21, 2012, 05:47:47 am
Edit2. It's not 15 AP. Its 15 AP coupon and 10coupon = 1AP.
Reiterate?
Yeah, asking myself. PArtially for title update.
Post by: majikero on December 21, 2012, 09:38:23 am
Post by: Singularity125 on December 21, 2012, 12:18:16 pm
That being said, I won't be playing for a while. I'm flying home for Christmas and I won't have a computer that can play Mabinogi. Or most of my games, really. Oh well...
Post by: TwilightWalker on December 21, 2012, 12:20:17 pm
Post by: krisslanza on December 21, 2012, 12:32:35 pm
Shamala looks pretty nice, by the way. That character art~
Post by: majikero on December 21, 2012, 03:42:07 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yeah I'm enjoying transformation. Too bad it cost almost 400 AP to rank 1.
Post by: Seriyu on December 21, 2012, 05:32:41 pm
The daily AP quest isn't too bad, 3 instead of 5. Still a raank a day for many skills until they get into higher ranks.
Post by: majikero on December 21, 2012, 05:43:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on December 21, 2012, 05:54:11 pm
Post by: majikero on December 21, 2012, 05:55:20 pm
I think I understand now. AP quest is daily shadow mission. The non-VIP one.
Try a round of snowball. It's either an even match or a one sided stomp.
Post by: Seriyu on December 21, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
Post by: Sergius on January 01, 2013, 01:09:42 pm
So, now all my bank items are locked.
Seriously, that's a very dickish way to get people to pay.
Post by: krisslanza on January 01, 2013, 04:54:02 pm
D'oh... I was told that at level 30 I was going to lose half my bank and I read somewhere I had to put all my items in the RIGHT half, and I did.
So, now all my bank items are locked.
Seriously, that's a very dickish way to get people to pay.
Ouch. The VIP stuff is so really good though! Although, yeah it does take people by surprise like that, which kind of sucks.
Post by: majikero on January 01, 2013, 05:29:43 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 01, 2013, 06:02:09 pm
D'oh... I was told that at level 30 I was going to lose half my bank and I read somewhere I had to put all my items in the RIGHT half, and I did.
So, now all my bank items are locked.
Seriously, that's a very dickish way to get people to pay.
Hahah, I checked the OP because I thought it might've been me that told you, but it's good.
But yeah, road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. If there was anything particularly expensive I'm sure someone could replace it, don't be afraid to ask.
Post by: Sergius on January 01, 2013, 06:28:05 pm
And no, Seriyu, it wasn't you, it was the automatic notification I got when I got level 20, then I went to level 28 or something after a single quest (killed a Kiwi for tens of thousands XP :D). The "keep everything in the right side of the bank" I Googled it. Unless... I ended up reading your post after that? I forgot :P
Post by: krisslanza on January 01, 2013, 06:37:54 pm
Post by: majikero on January 01, 2013, 06:51:02 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 01, 2013, 09:42:23 pm
Post by: Patchy on January 02, 2013, 03:49:58 pm
Post by: Sergius on January 02, 2013, 04:01:57 pm
Feel free to add me, I'll be playing tonight.
Post by: kenpoaj on January 02, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Somehow I got 10 levels by collecting chicken eggs?
I don't even know what I'm doing but apparently its either really awesome or horribly horribly wrong.
Post by: majikero on January 02, 2013, 08:04:49 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 02, 2013, 08:11:49 pm
...whoa, +35 Dex? That's pretty good, actually.
Post by: krisslanza on January 03, 2013, 11:17:57 am
Slowly, of course. But possible.
Post by: krisslanza on January 05, 2013, 08:59:35 am
Right when I'm at weekend hours, SIGH.
Post by: Skyrunner on January 05, 2013, 09:09:58 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 05, 2013, 06:32:15 pm
Also I am deeply honored that you called Ibid and me original members.. but actually the real original members are people like Vaettfang, who also haven't logged in for 15+ weeks according to the ingame thing, WHICH IS EXACTLY what is kinda happening to the next wave of people (I think this is where Ibid and I appear, we're relatively newcomers). The issue here is nobody plays because they're doing other things/they're busy/they just don't want to (these are all okay don't feel bad) and then when somebody does get on, they immediately get off because there's nobody else. It's a downward spiral leading into death.
It's dead. For real. Moment of silence, please. :'(
For real, I think everybody quit at once. Maybe we'll come back one day.
Someday.
Post by: majikero on January 05, 2013, 06:43:26 pm
It'll come back to life someday.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 05, 2013, 06:49:39 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on February 16, 2013, 03:30:57 am
Post by: ollobrains on February 16, 2013, 03:33:02 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on February 16, 2013, 01:29:57 pm
Maybe over summer... I'm tempted to put in a couple of hours here and there, but then remind myself that Mabinogi is not "that kind of game" and pull myself away. One day, though, when I have fully attained enlightenment and ascended to my place as Chakravartan, I will return to rule the world! Oh, and play in moderation. :P
Post by: Seriyu on February 22, 2013, 05:46:27 pm
(Also wow It took me forever to notice this, I need to check my e-mail more often.)
(Also Also I'm sorry if people thought this was a revival post)
(Also Also Also Ibid I sent you a PM ((unrelated to mabi) actually two because I'm a doof))
(Also Also Also Also Butts)
Post by: krisslanza on February 24, 2013, 03:02:28 am
Post by: Seriyu on February 24, 2013, 04:33:04 am
Post by: Sergius on February 24, 2013, 11:20:10 am
Also also! Triple AP until next Friday, I believe.
YAY! And I JUST NOW became eligible for rebirth!
Post by: krisslanza on February 24, 2013, 12:27:12 pm
Also also! Triple AP until next Friday, I believe.
YAY! And I JUST NOW became eligible for rebirth!
Now you can get ALL OF THE AP! ALL OF IT! Muhahahahahahahah, ahahahahahhaha!
Post by: Skyrunner on March 25, 2013, 09:23:25 am
I played it on the lute, then the mandolin. >_<
/me lets the thread rest again.
Post by: Seriyu on March 25, 2013, 05:19:10 pm
Are people still playing this, even if not me and ibid and dir and all the old folk?
I'm thinking it's about time to give it another shot eventually.
Post by: adwarf on March 25, 2013, 05:25:49 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 25, 2013, 08:42:02 pm
Also I did a bit of snooping about, and look! Free VIP March 28 to April 23! (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/all/1/00Fn6/)
I guess it really is almost time!
Post by: Skyrunner on March 25, 2013, 08:44:44 pm
Post by: alexwazer on March 25, 2013, 09:42:17 pm
One thing worth noting is that for a while now, lag has been much much better. Nexon did some Hot-Time event recently and, even at those time, the game was entirely playable.
Post by: Seriyu on March 25, 2013, 10:13:05 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 26, 2013, 08:35:44 pm
Notable stuff mostly, demonic weapons. We'd need a max talent blacksmith to make these things, and you need a max relevant talent to be able to wield them (Two handed swords need max close combat, Cylinders need max battle alchemy etc). They also need people capable of running lord missions, the highest difficulty past elite, and probably something that makes peaca wither up and die, as monsters apparently have upwards of 60-70 prot in them. Big deal. You also need about a hojillion materials from those missions per weapon soooo yes. End game content woooaoaooaoaoaoaoaaoaoaoaoao
Daily AP missions! Basically do both the daily shadow missions and you get 3 AP a day. Do one and you get 1.5 AP a day. Note you keep the .5 in your inventory as 5 "mini 1 AP potions" in a sense. This is a huge deal. Daily AP really speeds up skill progression and they're usually not terrible to do to boot.
Lower exp amounts for levels! You can now get up to 30 and maybe even 40 in a day no sweat. Another instance of speeding up skill progression, this is great as some of the new lord missions are absolutely rediculous and not having to grind for fifteen years to stand a chance does a lot to make them more viable.
Future content? New questline involving iria, called "nightmare". It would appear shit is going down. That's about all I know. Also hybrid talent skills! You can only get them if you're up to an apprentice in a hybrid talent, like, for instance slayer. New skill and it raises both of the talents that are involved in that hybrid talent. Here (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Berserk) is (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Counter_Punch) all (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Potion_Enhancement) of (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shadow_Bunshin) them. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shockwave) Also one here. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Spider_Shot) Presumably more hybrid talent skills will follow with time.
The patch after that adds a few new life skills that are all in korean so I know nothing about them. If anyone would like to take a shot at translating them, the links to the skills are here. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Patches#Generation_18.2C_Episode_1) Adds some new stuff to iria which is much appreciated.
The patches after that, while listed, are shrouded in the mists of mystery and dreams.
Post by: adwarf on March 26, 2013, 09:19:54 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 26, 2013, 09:49:15 pm
NUUUUUUUUUU!!!! WHY IS SHADOW BUNSHIN JAPAN AND TAIWAN ONLY D: !?Because lolnexon.
Post by: Seriyu on March 26, 2013, 09:52:34 pm
Also I think japan nexon made the skill on their own and as a result implementing it on unfiddled with files might break a thing or ten.
Also I forgot, TRANSFORMATION! You can turn into animals. It's good for a bit of fun and some of the high rank transformations look like they get a rather hefty stat bonus for being them. Go talk to Shamala in Cor to get started, it's easy to start, hard to finish.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 27, 2013, 08:57:39 am
Rare Mineralogy: A skill to collect and research rare minerals in the Hilwen Mines. A "Mining Drill" is required.
Magic Craft: A skill that creates magic weapons or magic accessories by refining Silien. It is based on the magical knowledge of ancient Elves discovered in the Silien Protected Ecology area, and allows one to use magical materials like magic bolts, which use Silien energy. A magical cauldron is required to use this skill. Magical cauldrons can easily be found in the Silien Protected Ecology area east of Filia.
Heruin Engineering: (just generic stuff about making mechanical stuff from Hilwen/Heruin ore.)
I.. don't really think this update was any good. :/ Again, Mabinogi is adding random stuff that simultaneously devalues everything before it, while not fixing the inherent problems in the system ;-;
Post by: krisslanza on March 27, 2013, 09:35:40 am
Post by: adwarf on March 27, 2013, 04:05:51 pm
This ... this I don't understand .... I'm using English server why you give me Korean Mabinogi?
Post by: krisslanza on March 27, 2013, 04:11:52 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=134596422
This ... this I don't understand .... I'm using English server why you give me Korean Mabinogi?
Some dialogue isn't translated, or improperly added...
Post by: majikero on March 27, 2013, 04:30:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 27, 2013, 04:37:04 pm
Silien Ecology: A skill used to collect samples from flora and fauna that live in the Silien Protected Ecology area. A "Thunderstruck Oak Staff" is required to do so.
Rare Mineralogy: A skill to collect and research rare minerals in the Hilwen Mines. A "Mining Drill" is required.
Magic Craft: A skill that creates magic weapons or magic accessories by refining Silien. It is based on the magical knowledge of ancient Elves discovered in the Silien Protected Ecology area, and allows one to use magical materials like magic bolts, which use Silien energy. A magical cauldron is required to use this skill. Magical cauldrons can easily be found in the Silien Protected Ecology area east of Filia.
Heruin Engineering: (just generic stuff about making mechanical stuff from Hilwen/Heruin ore.)
I.. don't really think this update was any good. :/ Again, Mabinogi is adding random stuff that simultaneously devalues everything before it, while not fixing the inherent problems in the system ;-;
It won't stop me from being excited and finding some kind of use for it! Thank you for the translation also. :D
And me, dir, and don have been on so errybody get in on this.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=134596422
This ... this I don't understand .... I'm using English server why you give me Korean Mabinogi?
What krisslanza said. There's some korean quest floating around and eaven in dunbarton also appears to have suddenly forgotten how to speak english. Welcome to nexon! :P
Post by: Aoi on March 27, 2013, 08:55:12 pm
The downside, I cannot, for the life of me, seem to figure out how in with my more recent account, that we here are familiar with. Guess I'll go kick around my previous system when I get my hands back on it over the weekend. ><
Post by: Patchy on March 27, 2013, 09:53:57 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The touhou fans should instantly recognise her. But for those of you who aren't familiar with Touhou, look up Koishi Komeiji.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 28, 2013, 12:33:52 am
pictureWow! That's like.. a near-perfect likeness. Very impressive, but perhaps a touch too yellow.
The downside, I cannot, for the life of me, seem to figure out how in with my more recent account, that we here are familiar with. Guess I'll go kick around my previous system when I get my hands back on it over the weekend. ><For what it's worth, when you launch DFO from Steam, it makes you log in every time. If Mabinogi's like that, then you should be able to just log on to your usual account if you launch again. I think.
Post by: Seriyu on March 28, 2013, 01:18:23 am
In other news, here's a fun thing you can do with those Easter event baskets. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSu1JzW4v00)
You should all look at this, it's magical.
So I finally switched to a system that doesn't overheat at the mere mention of Mabinogi and tried logging on via Steam-- Woo! First thing I do is associate Steam to my original account, which dates back to when Mabinogi was in beta. Still haven't rebirthed yet, either.
The downside, I cannot, for the life of me, seem to figure out how in with my more recent account, that we here are familiar with. Guess I'll go kick around my previous system when I get my hands back on it over the weekend. ><
You miiiight have to detatch your current account from steam (not sure how you'd do that, I can look into it if you like), and re attach the new account. Alternately you can just try logging in with the new account and see what happens. If you haven't done that already, anyway.
image
Wouldn't you know it, I recently read through an LP of a touhou themed turn based strategy game, and while it had a ton of various characters, this one isn't in it.
Still, looks good for sure! Mabi's character customization is pretty great, thinking about it.
Post by: ductape on March 28, 2013, 10:24:09 am
I've played a bit over the past couple months, though I've gotten bored of mabi again. But I can show a lil pic of what I was working on.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The touhou fans should instantly recognise her. But for those of you who aren't familiar with Touhou, look up Koishi Komeiji.
SO this is like a dress-up doll MMO? Do you go on dates and stuff?
Post by: Patchy on March 28, 2013, 12:55:10 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on March 28, 2013, 02:22:48 pm
Anyway Mabi IS fun but at the same time actually getting somewhere is tedious and amazingly slow.
I mean hell. I got to grade A (or was it 9?) blacksmith and getting anything past that is HELL incarnate since you have to make hundreds of items to progress.
Anyway if you can stomach the chibi anime look and horrible horrible grind it's an awesome game.
Post by: Seriyu on March 28, 2013, 05:28:30 pm
With that said, yes, the crafting skills are a rediculous grind. At least there's a (substantial) reason for them now, with the demonic weapons! Seriously, they are rediculous.
Post by: Sonlirain on March 28, 2013, 06:13:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 28, 2013, 06:52:07 pm
Post by: Aoi on March 28, 2013, 10:21:51 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 28, 2013, 11:45:20 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on March 29, 2013, 08:24:40 am
Yeah it looks like you have to contact nexon with that, and good luck with that. Alternately, you can go to your steamapps folder and start the .exe from there. I dunno if it'll still have the steam overlay but it'll let you log in with whatever account you like that way.
Yeah i noticed it yesterday and was online for a bit.
Rebirthed
Got mauled a little by ogres.
Became a Senior Warrior.
Post by: Seriyu on March 29, 2013, 04:52:13 pm
Post by: alexwazer on March 30, 2013, 03:19:16 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 30, 2013, 09:04:33 pm
Post by: alexwazer on March 30, 2013, 11:45:30 pm
Also...
Also not gonna be on tonight.
There lies the path to the dark side of MMO gaming: when you feel the need to mention you won't be online, or when people need to be warned when someone else won't be online.
Be there when you're there and let's stick with that ;)
Edit: Oh and, ironically, I was AFK when majikero logged on earlier... so I wasn't there despite being there :P
Edit 2: I decided to try and entice people toward the dark side (of the moon, cause why not) and recorded a video. It is relatively short, but long enough to show you all the excitement you've missed by not logging on tonight. Too bad for you. Linky (http://youtube.com/watch?v=P3AwI2gNMKE).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sonlirain on March 31, 2013, 06:52:12 am
I've been buying out all the common leather from the market lately and along with donations i got form the guild i appear to have over 50 units of common leather.
Now since my weaving is only rank E and i'm not really interesten in losing 75% of it i'd love to know someone who could take it turn into straps and send it back for me to turn it into some cheap armor when i get back to my blacksmith destiny (in 2 weeks no less).
Post by: alexwazer on March 31, 2013, 10:50:27 am
Post by: Seriyu on April 02, 2013, 09:15:38 pm
Go for it someone else!
Post by: majikero on April 02, 2013, 10:32:10 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 03, 2013, 01:41:23 am
Post by: Sonlirain on April 03, 2013, 05:42:44 am
Now i need 2 more ranks of charge to get the full benefits from the shields enchants...
I also ranked my merchant rep in Tor and Tali to get access to their "limited" goods (mostly the reason i could afford buying the enchanted vales shield).
Sadly those goods are limited to the point of being pretty much totally unavailble whenever i checked...
BOTH love potions AND alchemy stones.
Post by: Seriyu on April 03, 2013, 05:54:58 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 05, 2013, 03:52:15 pm
Sorry, I've been extremely somewhat busy and more than that preoccupied of late, not to mention my lack of an environment with space for me to play without constant, nagging interruptions. Also: work and school. Luckily, the latter will probably be calming down soon, giving me a little time to play
Post by: majikero on April 05, 2013, 06:21:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 05, 2013, 06:26:09 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 05, 2013, 06:27:50 pm
Kidding on the fortunes part (though 150k is still a hefty sum) but I am coming and you cannot stop me.
Post by: majikero on April 05, 2013, 06:43:42 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 05, 2013, 06:45:28 pm
(now that I've said that we're not gonna get any at all)
Post by: alexwazer on April 05, 2013, 06:50:25 pm
Never dismiss the possibility. :P
(now that I've said that we're not gonna get any at all)
Nah
we're not gonna get any at all
Now that you said THAT we're not gonna get any at all :P
Also count me in.
Post by: Seriyu on April 06, 2013, 01:42:36 am
Post by: alexwazer on April 06, 2013, 11:30:06 am
Also, I'll be doing a few karu runs in the morning and, hopefully, get a glowing statue. I already have 2 parts.
Post by: Sonlirain on April 06, 2013, 12:36:28 pm
I decided to aquire a spirit weapon.
It's a giant 2h warrior axe named Urist.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 06, 2013, 02:00:00 pm
Innn other news.
I decided to aquire a spirit weapon.
It's a giant 2h warrior axe named Urist.
So true! :-*
Post by: majikero on April 06, 2013, 05:14:37 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 06, 2013, 05:35:45 pm
Also don, Sunday morning? Depending on how early it is I might come along. Don't wait up for me but announce in the thread (or just check to see if I'm on steam and message me) when you're going and I'll pop on if I'm around.
Post by: Seriyu on April 07, 2013, 11:49:09 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 07, 2013, 11:51:14 pm
for serious though I will go yeah let's do this
Post by: Sonlirain on April 08, 2013, 04:43:36 am
1 - Are rebirths availble every time your character dings 20 years or was it 21 years?
2 - How much a spirit weapon repair actually repairs assuming i use a 100 prof weapon for repairing it?
Also coming from my blacksmithing front.
During the double rainbow i blew through my iron stockpile AND common leather straps i got from Don.
Managed to advance 20 points or so in BS and made 2 somewhat nice Light melkas (2 extra Protection and 3 Durability) so if anyone is interested i can give them away.
Also i'm going to need a LOT of common leather straps... and i don't do dungeons too much (and i'm already nearly broke from byuing leather from the market).
I looked at the item costs for advancing BS... now i'm unsure wheather i want to spend my next rebirth grinding weaving on a tailor destiny or going nuts with BS and bugging everyone for leather/cloth.
Since being a freemium player somewhat limits my options for hogging resources for later i'd rather dedicate myself fully to one thing (I have excess Copper Ingots ATM so i can give those away if anyone wants them).
ld;dr
What should i do?
1 - Keep doing BS providing others with ingots/ores/gems while whining for the remaining BS materials from a weaver.
2 - Shut up and start weaving yourself throwing most of what you make away because i most of my bank is already full.
3 - Shut up do commerce and buy the damn mats yourself.
Post by: TwilightWalker on April 08, 2013, 09:36:13 am
Ok since i weren't playing mabi or quite some time... QUESTION TIME!
1 - Are rebirths availble every time your character dings 20 years or was it 21 years?
2 - How much a spirit weapon repair actually repairs assuming i use a 100 prof weapon for repairing it?
Also coming from my blacksmithing front.
During the double rainbow i blew through my iron stockpile AND common leather straps i got from Don.
Managed to advance 20 points or so in BS and made 2 somewhat nice Light melkas (2 extra Protection and 3 Durability) so if anyone is interested i can give them away.
Also i'm going to need a LOT of common leather straps... and i don't do dungeons too much (and i'm already nearly broke from byuing leather from the market).
I looked at the item costs for advancing BS... now i'm unsure wheather i want to spend my next rebirth grinding weaving on a tailor destiny or going nuts with BS and bugging everyone for leather/cloth.
Since being a freemium player somewhat limits my options for hogging resources for later i'd rather dedicate myself fully to one thing (I have excess Copper Ingots ATM so i can give those away if anyone wants them).
ld;dr
What should i do?
1 - Keep doing BS providing others with ingots/ores/gems while whining for the remaining BS materials from a weaver.
2 - Shut up and start weaving yourself throwing most of what you make away because i most of my bank is already full.
3 - Shut up do commerce and buy the damn mats yourself.
All three. You're going to want those advanced from working through weaving, but some of us will be happy to help you on getting the mats, and commerce is all the better in a group...
PS: I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
Post by: majikero on April 08, 2013, 10:08:08 am
Post by: Sonlirain on April 08, 2013, 11:34:00 am
All three. You're going to want those advanced from working through weaving, but some of us will be happy to help you on getting the mats, and commerce is all the better in a group...
PS: I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
Well there is the problem with me living in the EU so i rarely see anyone online unless i stay till ike 2-3 AM.
If you need common leather, I can get you some. I'm farming some fine leather to sell off but I sometimes get common. I'll mail it to you when I can get a full stack.
I need straps but i'll molest alex till he turns them into straps.
Also do you have a house/stand by chance?
I'd need someone who could sell ores/ingots i can't yet use and items (like the 2 decent quality melkas i made yesterday).
Post by: majikero on April 08, 2013, 11:48:23 am
Post by: Seriyu on April 08, 2013, 04:23:22 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 08, 2013, 04:37:45 pm
Also, concerning your yet unanswered questions:
1. Rebirth become available as soon as you reach 20 years.
2. I do not know the exact numbers. From what I have seen doing repairs, it seems to be about 2X the max durability of the weapon used. I think prof doesn't actually increase that, only the success chance; 100 prof giving you 100%.
Majikero, how much do you sell that fine leather for? Depending on the price I might be interested. I still want to train weaving, but currently can't be bothered farming for the leather.
Post by: majikero on April 08, 2013, 04:45:46 pm
Post by: majikero on April 08, 2013, 08:20:52 pm
I'm hosting some rabbie advance runs. It starts at 8PM EST to midnight EST. We can probably do 3 or 4 runs if we're quick about it and get a pass along the way. I'm paying everyone involved 150k if we get a second ice spear page 2. I'm using the first for myself. No payout if someone want the second one to use.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 09, 2013, 01:07:42 am
Shakespeare/Shadow Missions are actually sounding very good...
Post by: Sonlirain on April 09, 2013, 02:54:02 am
Does noone really ever log in before 8 PM?
Because honestly i don't remember seeing anyone even during DR.
Post by: majikero on April 09, 2013, 04:22:28 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 09, 2013, 04:28:16 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on April 09, 2013, 04:29:59 pm
Post by: majikero on April 09, 2013, 04:42:04 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 09, 2013, 04:50:02 pm
Wahahaha! I can't believe I never notice this sooner. I don't know when but the requirements for refining changed. It's now possible to finish it with only success.
oh my god yes yes yes yes yes yes
I keep wanting to start up with this. As I understand it, most people play a female character for the wider variety of customization? :P
Not untrue! The male characters have a decent amount of stuff though too, so don't let that sway your decision. The difference is really pretty minor, if there's a female option there's usually a male equivelent. Usually. And while what majikero said about prices is also true, you're probably gonna be spending a lot of money on anything not in an NPC shop anyway, with female options you'll just be gathering it up a bit longer.
Post by: Seriyu on April 09, 2013, 07:34:36 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on April 09, 2013, 08:02:51 pm
I'm "Antimoney" on Alexina.
Post by: Seriyu on April 09, 2013, 08:06:14 pm
EDIT: Wait, it might work actually, I'll see about getting you in right now. Look for "Bariaus" friending you.
Post by: Sonlirain on April 09, 2013, 08:25:43 pm
Haha, oh God, I haven't played an MMO in soooo long. The sheer amount of stuff that looks cool that I don't have for 80 more hours of playtime is gargantuan.
I'm "Antimoney" on Alexina.
If you're playing a human non fighter i'll send you a heavy light armor (Light Melka that by some reason counts as a heavy armour).
You even get to choose if you want it silver of gold colored!
Post by: freeformschooler on April 09, 2013, 08:27:15 pm
Haha, oh God, I haven't played an MMO in soooo long. The sheer amount of stuff that looks cool that I don't have for 80 more hours of playtime is gargantuan.
I'm "Antimoney" on Alexina.
If you're playing a human non fighter i'll send you a heavy light armor (Light Melka that by some reason counts as a heavy armour).
You even get to choose if you want it silver of gold colored!
Thank you for the generous offer but I'm playing a Human fighter I think :P close combat.
I'll get around to adding some people from the thread later tonight.
Post by: Seriyu on April 09, 2013, 08:33:05 pm
Also some notes, the VIP tab will close up after april 23rd so don't put anything important in there, the right side of your bank will close up after a while so again keep important stuff out of there. Also read the OP if you haven't, all the bolded stuff is important.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 09, 2013, 10:28:44 pm
Actually, I kinda like doing them; it's probably the most fun dungeon for me. I've definitely had enough for today though. Rest assured though, one day I'll return.
Post by: majikero on April 09, 2013, 10:32:14 pm
Also, we somehow stripped the succubus. According to the wiki, it needs a crit smash followed by crit thunder.
Edit. Oh, wait, that's for the red one. The black one only needs a crit counter.
Post by: Seriyu on April 09, 2013, 10:32:48 pm
Post by: majikero on April 09, 2013, 10:41:02 pm
Anyone's welcome but I highly recommend mana shield and explosion resistance. It was fun and had lots of explosions.
Post by: Sonlirain on April 10, 2013, 08:51:22 am
Haha, oh God, I haven't played an MMO in soooo long. The sheer amount of stuff that looks cool that I don't have for 80 more hours of playtime is gargantuan.
I'm "Antimoney" on Alexina.
If you're playing a human non fighter i'll send you a heavy light armor (Light Melka that by some reason counts as a heavy armour).
You even get to choose if you want it silver of gold colored!
Thank you for the generous offer but I'm playing a Human fighter I think :P close combat.
I'll get around to adding some people from the thread later tonight.
If you're bashing things with a mace/sword/axe like a proper warrior then you're eligable for a free set of heavy armor crafted by me.
If you're going all Jackie Chan on mobs with your fists then my heavy armor i can give you would be of little use.
Post by: majikero on April 11, 2013, 02:05:52 pm
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Post by: SirAaronIII on April 11, 2013, 02:59:59 pm
Also, that reminds me, I still need to do some more Coill Elementals.
Post by: majikero on April 11, 2013, 03:13:55 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 11, 2013, 04:45:01 pm
Post by: majikero on April 11, 2013, 06:35:25 pm
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CURSE YOU NEXON! >:(
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Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 12, 2013, 12:13:36 am
Post by: Seriyu on April 12, 2013, 03:42:42 am
Post by: majikero on April 14, 2013, 01:56:57 pm
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Too bad I can't use skills with it.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 14, 2013, 03:24:24 pm
Guys... Aco's a zombie!
Post by: Seriyu on April 14, 2013, 04:56:22 pm
Seriously though is that a cash shop item or what?
I'm very behind on cash shop things clearly.
Also I need to get on here sometime.
Post by: majikero on April 14, 2013, 05:33:56 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 14, 2013, 05:44:18 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 20, 2013, 03:13:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 20, 2013, 07:22:13 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 25, 2013, 05:00:10 pm
1 - Apparently the free VIP was extended at some point for another week, at least on my account (I haven't seen any announcement concerning the end or extension of it), but I assume it is the same for everyone. It will last until may 1st.
2 - There is currently a small event going on to encourage people to finish the Shamala's quests. Any character that has completed the quests before may 15th will receive 3 dye ampoules. *Shrugs* I'm not really into the dressing stuff so couldn't care less, but that's just me. The quests are relatively short and quick, if rather nasty in the last few missions.
3 - If you are into the dressing stuff, you might also be interested to know there's a new bag available in the webshop. It can be used even without Inv+, is pretty large (10x14) and can store any type of gear (weapon, armor, clothing). Price seems pretty decent at 4900 Nx IIRC. It's is however character exclusive, so that could be an annoyance (or not... I'm almost the only one playing multiple characters).
4 - And finally, the serious stuff! Update!!
Some changes and new stuff has been released. Chapter 3 and 4 (gen 9-16) have been renewed, difficulty level of missions is no longer based on total level. Although I have no idea what it's based on... That being said, I got G11 pre-final/final missions on Don at Int level (used to be under 500 levels IIRC) instead of Hard (1000+). Even Cai could not manage to prevent me from succeeding at that difficulty level, even if he did try really hard to. Edit: after not being lazy for 2 minutes, I've found out that difficulty level of missions is supposed to be based on current exp. I was about level 50 when I did G11 on Don, so I guess anything below that is good.
You can also get reward quests for previously completed gen. 40 AP for having completed G3, same for Hamlet (G13) and some permanent stats for G14. Dunno about others, but apparently nothing for G9-11 (might require to complete the whole chapter).
Finally, new hybrid skills have been added. Those require apprentice or above in some hybrid talent, like warrior + fighter, warrior + lancer, mage + cleric or Archer + Carpenter + Handicraft. The new skills range from "possibly OP if used right" to "meh, did I really just spent 5 AP on that?". I didn't test them much and still haven't unlocked 2 of them.
So... hum... yeah.
Also, just cause why not... Finally got Final Hit R1 8)
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 25, 2013, 05:56:17 pm
I suppose I ought to go get that AP stuff. Ayup.
Post by: majikero on April 25, 2013, 08:08:42 pm
I guess potion lore is ok but i gotta get my transmutation up.
Post by: Seriyu on April 25, 2013, 08:32:35 pm
Post by: krisslanza on April 26, 2013, 02:35:48 am
Also the bag is amazing. If you have the NX, I can see no real reason to not buy it. You don't even need VIP service to use it, 4900NX and you permanently have a 8x10 bag to hold all your weapons, clothes, instruments, tool, armor, etc.
And I dunno about you, but those tend to be the biggest inventory hoggers of them all!
I've been keeping the guild warm for the past few weeks all by my lonesome...
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 26, 2013, 04:35:22 am
The hybrid skills, if you can get them, are completely worth it - the event gives you a 5AP potion, so you basically get that AP back anyway! Hahaha.
Also the bag is amazing. If you have the NX, I can see no real reason to not buy it. You don't even need VIP service to use it, 4900NX and you permanently have a 8x10 bag to hold all your weapons, clothes, instruments, tool, armor, etc.
And I dunno about you, but those tend to be the biggest inventory hoggers of them all!
I've been keeping the guild warm for the past few weeks all by my lonesome...
I just might log in just to gnab one o' those bags. C-can you have more than one? :D
Post by: krisslanza on April 26, 2013, 09:34:55 am
The hybrid skills, if you can get them, are completely worth it - the event gives you a 5AP potion, so you basically get that AP back anyway! Hahaha.
Also the bag is amazing. If you have the NX, I can see no real reason to not buy it. You don't even need VIP service to use it, 4900NX and you permanently have a 8x10 bag to hold all your weapons, clothes, instruments, tool, armor, etc.
And I dunno about you, but those tend to be the biggest inventory hoggers of them all!
I've been keeping the guild warm for the past few weeks all by my lonesome...
I just might log in just to gnab one o' those bags. C-can you have more than one? :D
That's... a good question actually. Not sure.
Post by: alexwazer on April 26, 2013, 04:30:35 pm
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Post by: Ibid Straydrink on April 26, 2013, 10:18:57 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 26, 2013, 10:52:06 pm
Anyway, some other news. There will be a Hot Time event this Saturday and Sunday (also Friday, but guess it is too late for that). Be online by 7 PM pacific time (10 PM Est) and you will get a 30 AP potion each day.
Post by: krisslanza on April 27, 2013, 02:20:47 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 27, 2013, 12:49:34 pm
Spoiler: me whining about what happened (click to show/hide)
Also, I remembered my swashing blows, Sampson; I'm a Master of Smash now! Not that I'll ever use that title since the story ones are so good.
Also also, the bags are completely worth it, I think. Now I have so much free space in my pets now that my clothes and weapons are in a bag.
And to make this post actually somewhat meaningful, I'm planning on taking on Coill Elemental later near the hot time (will the lag kill us? maybe). If I don't get page 1, should I just buy it? I saw one for 300k but that feels kind of expensive, but also I hate Coill of all kinds so I'm not sure if it'd be worth it.
Post by: alexwazer on April 27, 2013, 01:22:59 pm
Finally decided to get a bag for Don. I figured it would free up space on pets and make tools more easily accessible. The main reason I was hesitant to get one is that I almost only play Don, but both Sei and Kyu could use a bag too... carrying tons of wands for the former and cylinder for the latter.
As for IS pg 1, do not buy it. Coil elemental isn't that bad and can easily be done repeatedly. The drop is, I think, not that rare. Also, the lag should not be too bad during hot time event if the last few times Nexon did those is any reference. Must give Nexon some credits, they really improved the servers' stability. I'll be around for hot time, so I would gladly join for coil. I could use a break from doing G12 missions.
I got blaze last night on Don, because why not? I'll rank it up until I reach apprentice mage for the shockwave skill.
Post by: majikero on April 27, 2013, 08:39:15 pm
Post by: Seriyu on April 27, 2013, 08:39:51 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 30, 2013, 09:31:08 pm
Free Inventory Plus coming soon (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00FyZ)
Post by: majikero on April 30, 2013, 09:35:03 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 30, 2013, 09:42:41 pm
Probably not, but I'm a bit paranoid with Nexon. :P
Post by: majikero on April 30, 2013, 09:47:46 pm
Post by: alexwazer on April 30, 2013, 09:48:25 pm
Maybe there weren't that many people using Inv+ on a regular basis compared to the higher tier services.
Post by: Sergius on April 30, 2013, 10:08:12 pm
When I use the cash shop I prefer to buy pets with large inventories rather than rent bank space. Good thing I don't need to pay inventory plus now :D
Post by: alexwazer on April 30, 2013, 10:21:59 pm
Anyway, I finally got the goddamn AR pg 8 tonight after running alby twice solo using unlimited dungeon passes. So freaking happy... now start the hunt for page 9.
Post by: krisslanza on May 01, 2013, 10:27:18 am
I think this also unlocks the other half of your bank. I do not think it includes the VIP tab in your inventory.
Post by: alexwazer on May 01, 2013, 12:04:13 pm
It does not open the VIP tab or the style equipment tab; it does not allow you to create a guild, buy a house or use farming fields outside Tail and it does not provide any of the bonus like reduced durability loss, free birthday gifts, unlimited continental warps, etc.
Post by: krisslanza on May 01, 2013, 12:52:26 pm
Inventory plus unlocks the second half of the bank, gives you direct access to any of your character's bank account (useful for transferring a few things that otherwise can't be traded or placed in pet inventory), allows you to use bags of course and set up a personal shop.
It does not open the VIP tab or the style equipment tab; it does not allow you to create a guild, buy a house or use farming fields outside Tail and it does not provide any of the bonus like reduced durability loss, free birthday gifts, unlimited continental warps, etc.
Still, Inventory Plus is a pretty huge boon. Especially for pack rats! *Pack rats everything*
Also Mabinogi x MapleStory Event on now, in addition to a 100% repair event! REPAIR EVERYTHING!
Post by: Sergius on May 01, 2013, 01:02:22 pm
(Ok, I did it right before the news that they were planning to do this, so still)
Post by: majikero on May 01, 2013, 01:08:06 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on May 01, 2013, 01:49:13 pm
Ferghus! It's your time to shine. You are the Chosen One.
Chance of successful repair: 100%
"...Oops, my hand sliiped."
Chance of successful repair: 100%
"I know, but my hand slipped. It happens. I'm only human."
Post by: Seriyu on May 01, 2013, 03:52:56 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 16, 2013, 06:17:03 pm
Anyone still playing?
Post by: Aklyon on June 16, 2013, 07:21:57 pm
Because seriously, I never saw him break anything with just plain repairs in that game.Ferghus! It's your time to shine. You are the Chosen One.
Chance of successful repair: 100%
"...Oops, my hand sliiped."
Chance of successful repair: 100%
"I know, but my hand slipped. It happens. I'm not in Vindictus right now."
Post by: Seriyu on June 16, 2013, 07:58:15 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on June 17, 2013, 02:03:28 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 17, 2013, 02:54:34 pm
I've been considering playing again, still thinking about it though.Get some ducats to buy the special item bags and it's pretty decent to play free.
Post by: krisslanza on June 17, 2013, 04:27:52 pm
Given inventory Plus is free now, the Item Bags are good. There's also another bag from the Romeo and Juliet stuff as well.I've been considering playing again, still thinking about it though.Get some ducats to buy the special item bags and it's pretty decent to play free.
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2013, 04:53:35 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 17, 2013, 05:24:33 pm
Free bags eh. That's actually a pretty big deal. IfI wasn't so packed with other games to play I'd probably hop in. Someday soon.In the meantime, you could update thread name slightly :P
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 17, 2013, 10:29:39 pm
Post by: alexwazer on June 17, 2013, 10:42:12 pm
Post by: krisslanza on June 17, 2013, 10:52:53 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 17, 2013, 11:10:13 pm
I haven't played in while and I can't honestly say I have much interest. I still kept an eye on the updates and events, but haven't found all that much interesting stuff for a while. The only thing that could make me hop back in is if others are planning/doing something that is more interesting than the day-to-day grinding. Not that I have any time to play right now... but in a month or so, possibly.Well, not much else to do except grind up. The grind isn't terrible though. I've got a goal for dungeon runs, would be nice to make guild parties to wade through the dungeons in pursuit of epic loot (compared to mundane loot).
In particular, there's demon weapons out, which take max rank crafting and max level boss loot to construct and wield. Fun stuff.
Post by: majikero on June 17, 2013, 11:16:49 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2013, 11:22:40 pm
Wait, I probably shouldn't be handing out ideas like that.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 17, 2013, 11:27:55 pm
Those things are so far out of our reach I think they're only there to bring the old hats back. That, or give people something to do....there are always people playing. They're raising the bar a little, giving higher tier options. It's something to strive for.
I mean, yes, it's 'giving people something to do' but that's how games work. If you're not doing something you're not playing :P
Post by: majikero on June 17, 2013, 11:29:23 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on June 20, 2013, 05:55:28 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 27, 2013, 11:11:53 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
About the dragon picture, that's part of the new Field Quest system in which a Black Dragon (it'll probably be more than just Black Dragons later on but for now) spawns every day realtime and sticks around for 50 minutes, and it's up to us lame Milletians to destroy it. It looks like you get 10 AP the first time, so it's a good idea to go at least once for the experience. Nobody's killed either of the 2 that have spawned so far, but if you strong men come back maybe we'll get lower than 56% of its HP. The rewards (that we'll never see without more help) can be found here. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00G9J)
For people who haven't made a Mabinogi character before, now's a good time to do so because Nexon's offering a New Players package that includes an item bag (everybody has inventory+ so it's good), a dye ampoule, a magic carpet, and some clothes. Details can be found here. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00G9x)
And lastly, there's a Rock Paper Scissors event in which you get a ticket every 5/10 (I'm not sure) minutes and can receive various bonuses for winning 3, 6, and 12 times. Winning 3 times will get you 1.3x life skill EXP for the rest of the day, 6 will get you double combat exp for the day, and 12 will allow you to do a daily Shadow Mission again for maximum EXP. The real prize is a perfect skill reset at 150 wins, which is easy to get if you have friends willing to let you win (like me!!!). The only downside is they just pop into your inventory without you asking, so have 3 open squares. Nexon's exact words can be found here. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Events/1/00G9N)
There have also been a bunch of new places added in various Iria regions. There were also a bunch of field boss changes that aren't really important other than that they have even more HP than they used to because people were totally hunting them too much and it had to be harder. Exploration levels have also been uncapped from 25 to 30.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on June 27, 2013, 11:16:06 pm
EDIT: Oh, also, for those that don't know the EXP curve has been shallowed (is that a word) GREATLY so AP comes a lot faster. You'll still totally hit a grindy slump before the week is up but it's more then 20 AP a week without heavy grinding. Up to like, 50 I'd say, even.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 27, 2013, 11:47:24 pm
On that note, my homestead still has enormous herb gardens and I have a Clover Gnu. Being able to pump out ~20 HP potions per day from homestead alone can get prepared for field bosses pretty quickly...
Also looking forward to guns. I'll DEFINITELY be taking the 'single massive rifle' route - but I know I'll be outdone by giants being able to equip hand cannons. I haven't heard this from anywhere, but mark my words they'll have one! And all the elves will cry as they lose their spot as 'topped ranged dps'.
We have a Steam group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Dwarfnogi
It's open to the public and as needed we can post announcements to alert people when we've got enough people to make a decent party.
Post by: krisslanza on June 27, 2013, 11:53:58 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 27, 2013, 11:58:07 pm
Pretty sure Guns scale to your INT, as they use Mana Bullets. And are guns akimbo, from what I've seen. Revolvers, I think.The only ones listed on the wiki are. But I'll be betting they come out with rifles and maybe single-hands. Be interesting to see players with a gun and shield...
INT scaling would certainly be interesting! I can do that too, being an archer+mage.
Of course, this also sounds pretty similar to Cylinders, when you think about what things they might be able to do...
Post by: majikero on June 27, 2013, 11:58:19 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 12:01:49 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 28, 2013, 12:06:24 am
EDIT: Also I'm in the steam chat if anyone has questions to ask/wants to just yak. My steam name is now "A shrieking cloud of bats" so.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 12:13:11 am
Ideally I'd LOVE to have that demon bow. It's literally got better stats than any other bows combined. More wound and crit than shortbows, more range than the wing bow, and more damage than longbows. However, you need perfect carpentry and a bit of refining to actually make the thing, as well as perfect archery to be able to use it! My carpentry's pretty high, and archery is my main damage so it's always raising, but still...
Post by: krisslanza on June 28, 2013, 12:19:01 am
Pretty sure Guns scale to your INT, as they use Mana Bullets. And are guns akimbo, from what I've seen. Revolvers, I think.The only ones listed on the wiki are. But I'll be betting they come out with rifles and maybe single-hands. Be interesting to see players with a gun and shield...
INT scaling would certainly be interesting! I can do that too, being an archer+mage.
Of course, this also sounds pretty similar to Cylinders, when you think about what things they might be able to do...
Maybe, who knows! The only problem I see is they'd have to completely re-do the animations for every weapon... the animations I saw seem pretty specific to guns akimbo.
It DOES look pretty cool though. I'm planning to make an elf just to use it (though I didn't know at the time, that it was based on INT)
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 12:21:42 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 28, 2013, 12:25:56 am
And the "more contribution points = more rewards" is only a theory, but I'd be surprised if it didn't work like that. So there's still a reason to travel in a group/be buff enough to wrassle with raptors on your own.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 12:35:05 am
I'm gonna have to start powering into Archery. We should get a demon weapon on SOMEONE, and masterful archery can go a great deal into ripping down enemies.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 12:36:53 am
So here's the complete story:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Knowing Mabi, it's probably tiered. "Score X contribution, qualify for Y reward pool."Yeah, I believe that's how it works. A demon weapon is considerably harder than a dragon, though the dragon supposedly drops dragon parts a la Monster Hunter so a Black Dragon weapon might be in the future.
I'm gonna have to start powering into Archery. We should get a demon weapon on SOMEONE, and masterful archery can go a great deal into ripping down enemies.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 12:38:54 am
You people suck. :-\
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 12:44:45 am
Yeah, I believe that's how it works. A demon weapon is considerably harder than a dragon, though the dragon supposedly drops dragon parts a la Monster Hunter so a Black Dragon weapon might be in the future.To produce a demon weapon, you have to win (several) Lord Missions. These are made to be 'ultimate end game' at least for the current level of players. The entire thing of them is 'bring a max party of incredible level players, AND be careful!' If anyone remembers the old runs we made to Karu and got roflstomped by glowing spiders? It's like that for end-game junkies!
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 12:49:24 am
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But yeah demon weapons are so rad.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 01:13:03 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on June 28, 2013, 02:03:40 am
Post by: bluejello on June 28, 2013, 09:24:20 am
Post by: krisslanza on June 28, 2013, 01:42:09 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 01:44:04 pm
Go to options -> game -> etc.
Turn OFF talent icons.
Mabi should automatically make low-poly, textureless models for players when the screen gets too busy, but then there's MASSIVE lag in the names of people. You can improve your FPS drastically by turning off talent icons, and holding 'alt' during the fight, so that all names are reduced to a single world. This easily brought my FPS from 1 to maybe 15-20.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 02:16:34 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 02:29:35 pm
Also, we all need to get Transformation Mastery. Then we all become bears.
Post by: majikero on June 28, 2013, 02:32:26 pm
Post by: krisslanza on June 28, 2013, 03:08:13 pm
Ctrl-N is amazing... Ctrl-P also disables party boxes!
Also, we all need to get Transformation Mastery. Then we all become bears.
Oh right THAT was the party boxes. People should be nice enough to turn their's off in a raid but...
I'm considering upgrading my RAM from 4 to 8. OR maybe going all out to 16. But I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes in the grand scheme of things.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 03:40:13 pm
For Mabi probably not a HUGE deal. You'd probably get more difference upgrading graphics.Ctrl-N is amazing... Ctrl-P also disables party boxes!
Also, we all need to get Transformation Mastery. Then we all become bears.
Oh right THAT was the party boxes. People should be nice enough to turn their's off in a raid but...
I'm considering upgrading my RAM from 4 to 8. OR maybe going all out to 16. But I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes in the grand scheme of things.
That said, RAM never hurts!
Post by: Graknorke on June 28, 2013, 03:56:33 pm
So if I'm still on the clan list you should probably take me off. I am not relyuponable at all.
Post by: Aklyon on June 28, 2013, 04:23:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 28, 2013, 05:34:15 pm
I keep getting in and out of this game. I get into it for a while and then get frustrated at lack of progress then give up then come back a couple of moths later and the whole thing repeats.
So if I'm still on the clan list you should probably take me off. I am not relyuponable at all.
Don't worry about it, we have like 200 slots so nobody needs to be removed really. And to be fair that's basically how mabinogi works.
Work on your character until you get tired of it, leave, come back in a few months, do it again. I'd bet this is largely why they keep adding end game content, gives you something to work towards.
Post by: krisslanza on June 28, 2013, 07:17:25 pm
For Mabi probably not a HUGE deal. You'd probably get more difference upgrading graphics.Ctrl-N is amazing... Ctrl-P also disables party boxes!
Also, we all need to get Transformation Mastery. Then we all become bears.
Oh right THAT was the party boxes. People should be nice enough to turn their's off in a raid but...
I'm considering upgrading my RAM from 4 to 8. OR maybe going all out to 16. But I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes in the grand scheme of things.
That said, RAM never hurts!
Dang, how do you run a huge raid like that without suffering terrible lag!?
Using Speecy here I have for GFX Card a "1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti". That sounds way more then enough to run a 10ish year old game, then again, that dragon raid turns my frames into mush.
Is Mabinogi a 32-bit game? I'm not sure actually. It has been updated a lot over the years, so...
Post by: Ozyton on June 28, 2013, 07:25:37 pm
If I get desperate enough I might get back into this, just for something to do...
Post by: Aklyon on June 28, 2013, 07:53:12 pm
It is, but they might've added support for higher amounts of memory in the meantime.For Mabi probably not a HUGE deal. You'd probably get more difference upgrading graphics.Ctrl-N is amazing... Ctrl-P also disables party boxes!
Also, we all need to get Transformation Mastery. Then we all become bears.
Oh right THAT was the party boxes. People should be nice enough to turn their's off in a raid but...
I'm considering upgrading my RAM from 4 to 8. OR maybe going all out to 16. But I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes in the grand scheme of things.
That said, RAM never hurts!
Dang, how do you run a huge raid like that without suffering terrible lag!?
Using Speecy here I have for GFX Card a "1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti". That sounds way more then enough to run a 10ish year old game, then again, that dragon raid turns my frames into mush.
Is Mabinogi a 32-bit game? I'm not sure actually. It has been updated a lot over the years, so...
Alternatively, it could just be rubbishly optimized for this sort of thing. Has there ever actually been such a large raid before?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 09:56:21 pm
Is anyone else familiar with getting around this..?
Post by: Aklyon on June 28, 2013, 10:06:31 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 10:14:42 pm
Spoiler: proof this time (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 10:19:16 pm
Easiest way to get them is to log out and login to any admin-level account on the computer. Passwords can be...problematic, if they exist.
Not an option, as mine is the only (known) account, other than the engimatic Admin one. Apparently, this issue is relatively new and confined mostly to we XP users, as of post-setup version 145...
Fortunately, I may have discovered a work-around- currently, I am in the process of extracting Mabi via 7-zip... I'll post the results, in case it's helpful to anyone else to encounters this hurdle.
Post by: Aklyon on June 28, 2013, 10:20:43 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 10:23:54 pm
DId you try logging into the Admin one? If no ever did before its likely untouched/unsecured, and from there you can sort your account proper out.
I admittedly haven't- I just assumed that the password and account access had been lost over the past five years... if this fails, I'll see if I can't just waltz through the main gate.
Post by: majikero on June 28, 2013, 10:25:55 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 28, 2013, 10:28:20 pm
Channel 1 crashed and everyone who was still there after the dragon lost their prize. Mabi you suck.
You know better than to trust Channel 1!
EDIT: Massive success! The game has been installed (far quicker than what it would have taken by the Nexon setup) and is in the process of patching. For future reference, this fix taken from the Nexon Forums...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on June 28, 2013, 11:01:55 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 28, 2013, 11:12:33 pm
Does anyone know if an archer using Magnum Shot counts as 'use smash'? Because there's no way in hell that I'm getting that close to that thing!
Also a tip to others, it's tricky but more useful for ranged fighters. If you face AWAY, there's no characters to draw and your FPS will skyrocket, but it can be tough to evade fire and to deal damage.
Post by: majikero on June 28, 2013, 11:26:12 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 28, 2013, 11:35:42 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 28, 2013, 11:37:01 pm
Does anyone know if an archer using Magnum Shot counts as 'use smash'? Because there's no way in hell that I'm getting that close to that thing!Unfortunately, I don't believe so, but I'm no archer so don't be too sure of my word.
On the saga quest, I'd hold off on doing them today and maybe tomorrow, as the huge crowds can cause pretty big delays when trying to enter story shadow missions, and the crowds make it a bit tough to find NPCs that you need to talk to. Plus there isn't much info on NPC locations yet so it's harder to just breeze through. It's still perfectly doable, just a bit of a pain.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 29, 2013, 01:02:21 am
At any rate, our reunion was not long enough, and I look forward to spending more time with the rest of the guild- so feel free to forcibly pull me along next time you see me.
Post by: Shakerag on June 29, 2013, 02:15:37 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 29, 2013, 02:21:09 am
Trying this out >_>
The server was down for maintenance last I checked. Tell me what you find!
Also- be sure to hop into Alexina if you're looking for a spot of comradery. The guild hath been restored to working shape, so you can have a community of B12ers to shoot the breeze and tag along with on your adventures.
Post by: Aoi on June 29, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 29, 2013, 03:06:03 am
Trying this out >_>
Welcome aboard! Alexina if you want to get in the guild as Ibid said. How to apply is in the OP. I recommend taking a look through the guides I've written because I've wasted days of my life doing it and some of it is pretty good to know. Especially the aggro guide(s), Managing aggro is key to not dying in Mabinogi. I'd recommend at LEAST reading that.
Post by: Skyrunner on June 29, 2013, 04:26:06 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 29, 2013, 12:11:56 pm
T_T
You can come out now. :P
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 12:23:46 pm
To anyone else: If you're using a bow or a crossbow, you can come to me for Fine Handmade Arrows pretty much any time. I'm going to be stocking up on these hardcore, we shouldn't be using standard arrows normally if we can use better!
Post by: Graknorke on June 29, 2013, 12:26:52 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 12:43:34 pm
Well, I guess I'm redownloading now. Going to run through some easy dungeons for a while to get re-acclimatised to my setup and the controls and lag and all that. Maybe then I'll ask some of you guys to help me with some of the questline I'm on? One of the early ones, but it requires multiple people.Honestly most of us who have accounts can roflstomp through the early quest lines. Not that we wouldn't help, but it might be underwhelming if you're hoping to really 'immerse' in the battle... But there's ALWAYS plenty of people around who want to help, guildies and strangers alike. It'd never be a problem to find help. I think they were also tweaked to let you go solo... but I never did the generation quests, so I don't know :P
Also, if you just want help advancing, I can help you get an easy 20 AP in exploration levels doing rafting. It's not unusual for me to take down ~70 hobgoblins in a good run, which should take you from level 1 to 8-ish in one successful pass (~2,000 exp). If you don't mind paying my repairs for the bow (you can earn money off rafting) you can get plenty of experience.
Post by: majikero on June 29, 2013, 12:59:12 pm
Post by: krisslanza on June 29, 2013, 01:56:17 pm
Well, I guess I'm redownloading now. Going to run through some easy dungeons for a while to get re-acclimatised to my setup and the controls and lag and all that. Maybe then I'll ask some of you guys to help me with some of the questline I'm on? One of the early ones, but it requires multiple people.Honestly most of us who have accounts can roflstomp through the early quest lines. Not that we wouldn't help, but it might be underwhelming if you're hoping to really 'immerse' in the battle... But there's ALWAYS plenty of people around who want to help, guildies and strangers alike. It'd never be a problem to find help. I think they were also tweaked to let you go solo... but I never did the generation quests, so I don't know :P
Also, if you just want help advancing, I can help you get an easy 20 AP in exploration levels doing rafting. It's not unusual for me to take down ~70 hobgoblins in a good run, which should take you from level 1 to 8-ish in one successful pass (~2,000 exp). If you don't mind paying my repairs for the bow (you can earn money off rafting) you can get plenty of experience.
I can confirm that G1, at least, has been rebalanced to be solo-able, none of it requires a party anymore.
I'd still recommend a party for Tir Na Nog, as you can't revive in it. I still have to finish G1...
Post by: alexwazer on June 29, 2013, 03:27:01 pm
Anyone mind helping me tonight at g3 final? I want to get this out of the way.
Sure, count me in... in the client stop crashing. I never turn my back to a dragon fight.
Also yeah, early Gen quests are kind of a joke now for high level characters.
Post by: Seriyu on June 29, 2013, 04:23:20 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 29, 2013, 05:15:35 pm
G3... that'll be fun. ::)
Post by: krisslanza on June 29, 2013, 06:00:23 pm
I'll be 'round bt 8:30 PM PST tonight, so you can add me to the list of humble bulldozers. In the event that the one doing doesn't want to risk soloing or gets wiped, I'll give priority to G1.
G3... that'll be fun. ::)
At least they made G3 a LITTLE easier ::)
Post by: Graknorke on June 29, 2013, 06:20:02 pm
Guess I'll wallow in my poverty some further while I train up my bolt skills to a point where I can start doing dungeons that aren't Alby Normal.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 06:28:45 pm
Rafting isn't bad if you've got the power for it. I can make ~12,000 gold for myself and one other per good run! The trick is, you need to be able to one-shot multiple hobs at once, which mostly means crash shot and int magic.
Post by: Sonlirain on June 29, 2013, 06:50:55 pm
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 06:53:49 pm
I can attest. Commerce is the way to go when you need money.Anything leaving Tara.
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
Post by: krisslanza on June 29, 2013, 06:57:53 pm
I can attest. Commerce is the way to go when you need money.
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
A Wagon is pretty good too. But until you get a Wagon, Commerce is REALLY boring. And slow.
Post by: Sonlirain on June 29, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I can attest. Commerce is the way to go when you need money.Anything leaving Tara.
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
But isn't anything from tara a death sentence?
I had some lucky runs from there but bandits seem to spawn right on top of you like crazy when you carry Tara goods.
And yeah the Wagon is pretty good too... the elephant is a sidegrade in fact since you probably have no reason to carry seaweed or baby pills on a elephant if you can use a wagon.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 08:22:18 pm
An elephant full of furniture can net you mad profit!
Also, I've still got a spreadsheet worked up to figure the profit of different goods and if you should take a wagon or elephant. Very few goods are actually worth taking a wagon on, the vast majority store more in an elephant.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 29, 2013, 10:17:10 pm
I can attest. Commerce is the way to go when you need money.
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
A Wagon is pretty good too. But until you get a Wagon, Commerce is REALLY boring. And slow.
LIES! HERSESY! COMMERCE IS THE ONE TRUE... mini-game? Side quest? Feature? Korean gaming appendix?
Well, no matter what it is, if you ever need an escort, you need only ask. I wouldn't mind tagging along on horse back, as long as you promise to trigger to plenty of encounters. 8)
Update! I seem to have accrued a few extra bonus titles from the Strange Cat Gacha, and would prefer to hand them out to guildies rather than sell them for fractions of a peanut in funny-money. Send me a message in-game, first-come-first-served.
Post by: krisslanza on June 29, 2013, 10:27:53 pm
I can attest. Commerce is the way to go when you need money.
Assuming you have an elephant then marble/topaz is the thing you want to ship.
Otherwise it's seaweed and baby pills.
A Wagon is pretty good too. But until you get a Wagon, Commerce is REALLY boring. And slow.
LIES! HERSESY! COMMERCE IS THE ONE TRUE... mini-game? Side quest? Feature? Korean gaming appendix?
Well, no matter what it is, if you ever need an escort, you need only ask. I wouldn't mind tagging along on horse back, as long as you promise to trigger to plenty of encounters. 8)
Update! I seem to have accrued a few extra bonus titles from the Strange Cat Gacha, and would prefer to hand them out to guildies rather than sell them for fractions of a peanut in funny-money. Send me a message in-game, first-come-first-served.
I didn't say it's not fun, but it IS pretty slow until you get that Wagon!
Post by: Aoi on June 29, 2013, 10:28:09 pm
Also, I've still got a spreadsheet worked up to figure the profit of different goods and if you should take a wagon or elephant. Very few goods are actually worth taking a wagon on, the vast majority store more in an elephant.
Did you account for movement speed though?
Post by: Girlinhat on June 29, 2013, 11:23:07 pm
There's a difference in movement speed, but it's not fantastic, and for most items you want the biggest single-load value AND that turns out to be better than "gold per minute" rating.Also, I've still got a spreadsheet worked up to figure the profit of different goods and if you should take a wagon or elephant. Very few goods are actually worth taking a wagon on, the vast majority store more in an elephant.
Did you account for movement speed though?
To really get a handle on the "gold per minute" figure, you'd actually have to figure out how long it takes to reach each location from each other location, and variables to routes (some are faster, but more dangerous and not used) and natural sway to how you click the map compared to others or if you spend time idling briefly.
Even if we don't know the speed, I have the numbers for profit on the last time I was calculating, however many months ago.
Topaz was +163 per unit in profit. A wagon can carry 36 and an elephant can carry 68. The profits for each were ~68k and ~128k. I really doubt the cart moves at 180% speed.
For the most part, items are clearly better on wagon or on elephant - namely, low-tier items (coal) go on wagons, but high-tier items (topaz, ore, etc.) go on elephant. The nearest questionable items are Ginseng from Tir, Music Boxes from Taillteann, animal products from Emain, and oysters from Cobh. All of these fit 300 to the wagon and 350 to the elephant, which is 116% - the cart MAY go faster than this, but this is really the closest margin. The rest are at LEAST 140% with most in the 168-180% range of difference. (For items that are better on the elephant, at least. I didn't count items that are better on the wagon because that'd be pointless!)
Post by: Aoi on June 30, 2013, 12:05:45 am
Post by: Shoruke on June 30, 2013, 03:03:31 am
Post by: Skyrunner on June 30, 2013, 06:34:43 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 30, 2013, 07:00:45 am
Post by: Sonlirain on June 30, 2013, 11:14:02 am
How do you link your account with steam?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 30, 2013, 12:33:44 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 30, 2013, 12:38:21 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on June 30, 2013, 12:52:07 pm
Do i have to link it manually or something?
Post by: Ozyton on June 30, 2013, 12:53:30 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on June 30, 2013, 12:59:33 pm
Now it's in my steamapps folder but still not in the library.
Post by: Girlinhat on June 30, 2013, 02:05:56 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 01, 2013, 03:15:53 am
To the good stuff. They're north of the muyu in muyu desert on the minimap. The two attacks are swallow (basic attack, does a lot of wound damage, pretty sure it can be blocked and countered but don't hold me to that), and stampede, moves straight at a character, can run to the side and avoid it (he's pretty small for monsters that would normally use it so it's easy to get around).
Field raids that aren't black dragon have one role "(monster name here) hunter". Do damage to him to get contrib. Otherwise works exactly the same.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 01, 2013, 06:23:17 am
Restart Steam?
Nope.
But linking mabi as an "outside" game seemed to work.
Post by: Shakerag on July 01, 2013, 09:12:45 am
Apparently Yugi was schlepping up the shadow realm last night, so I couldn't get in.
I tried to take a part time job, only to have my boss tell me work is done for the day right before I get to the jackass I needed to deliver drugs too.
Wandering outside of town, I suddenly jumped games into Fallout 3.
Also, apparently my character has a deep-seated hatred of statues of faces.
Also also, EVERYTHING IS DEAD OUTSIDE OF TOWN. However, there must have been life at some point, because some other jackass discovered a broken-ass bridge somewhere.
Furthermore: Nazca lines. PROOF OF UFO COVERUP.
Apparently elves suck at bridges, because the only one I found was in terrible shape, and all other chasms and rivers had no such things.
I found some temples ... except they were down in a chasm and bounded by rivers with no way to them >_<
I now have a flying carpet pet called VD, because carpetmuncher wouldn't fit, and rugmuncher was taken O_o
Also, it is INCREDIBLY FUSSY about where it will let me land.
Even after flying past the waterfall (shoutout to the invisible walls g-dog) THERE WAS STILL NOTHING ALIVE ANYWHERE.
So I finally said screw it and went to play FTL.
Post by: krisslanza on July 01, 2013, 09:47:08 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 01, 2013, 01:09:07 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 01, 2013, 01:24:29 pm
Your job mishap gives me idea. How about trying to have a "career day?" If you like, you could try asking each of your guildies what they do for fun, and tagging along. Most of us do dungeon runs regularly, and won't mind showing you the ropes. What's more, even a newbie can be handy in our heated battles simply by playing an instrument or putting in a well-placed kick.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 01, 2013, 01:31:12 pm
1: Sit outside and play an instrument.
2: Especially elves, remain in Hide and be prepared to throw feathers at people.
3: Get a longbow (more range than shortbow) and aim a Magnum Shot at an enemy. If this enemy is attacking a friend and it starts dealing damage, fire Magnum to disrupt it and let the friendly get back on the offensive.
Why?
1: Bardic Performances are buffs that don't depend on enemy strength,
2: Good god do we like to die.
3: Magnum will always knock back an enemy, except for Natural Shield with a shield equipped, making it PERFECT for disrupting combos, giving some breathing room, and a brief moment where they have to stand back up.
Post by: Shakerag on July 01, 2013, 01:33:46 pm
or putting in a well-placed kick.Would that be to statues? Specifically ones with faces? Because I think I got that part down.
Perhaps if I'm gaming with Mr. Vodka again tonight I'll hop on and see what happens.
Post by: Seriyu on July 01, 2013, 04:57:29 pm
I had never even considered the monster server might shut down for the field raid, it makes a lot of sense.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 01, 2013, 05:15:42 pm
Note, the dragon spawns today at 9:00 PM CST (I think that's the time for weekdays anyway), so be sure to log on.... not then. :PChances are, the monster server temporarily becomes a game server, as it tries to hold the load of so many players interacting.
I had never even considered the monster server might shut down for the field raid, it makes a lot of sense.
Post by: MadMalkavian on July 01, 2013, 05:23:07 pm
Ugh. Has anybody encountered the problem where you seem to repeatedly get DC'd within seconds of logging on?I'm having that problem myself. I think it's got something to do with either the event or that new piece of software they rolled out as part of the last update. It's making the game impossible for me to play, which is fine as I kind of want to wait until I get a new machine before playing seriously once again. It should be fine once Nexon gets in touch with Devcat and tells them about this issue, and they whip of some kind of fix to stop the whole disconnection process. Just send in a support ticket and that should get the ball rolling.
Post by: krisslanza on July 01, 2013, 05:45:41 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on July 01, 2013, 07:50:27 pm
The new Black Cipher thing might be getting blocked by some anti-virus things or something, so make sure you have it allowed or some such.I'm not getting any real alerts with Avast when I play Mabinogi but just in case I'll do that. I usually have it disabled but sometimes I get a little paranoid and turn my antivirus back on when I'm on weird parts of the internet. I think I'll do some other stuff to see if that helps, like add an exception or two to my firewall and forward the ports on my router to see if that helps with anything. If it does work I should be able to get back into Mabinogi sooner than later. I'll keep you guys posted perhaps.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 02, 2013, 05:45:45 am
--> End Game
I do hope that in future installments, the folks at DEVcat have a sharper realization of their strengths and weaknesses. Let's face it: wide-spanning fetch quests worked into a sloppily translated and poorly conveyed plot are not even remotely interesting enough to justify the work. The real purpose of the Mabinogi questline (barring generations 1-3 perhaps) is to showcase new skillsets and features and present players with challenges to overcome and thereby acclimate to and earn them, all the while weaving it together with a touch of soft roleplay.
To be fair, I'm largely just bitter that I'm being asked to do something horribly tedious which I have practically done a hundred-hundred times, just for sake of progressing through the plot and gaining whatever rewards/foundations for future generations it earns, what with having no interest in alchemy whatsoever.
Bah, humbug! >:(
Oh well. Maybe someone can just help me synthesize the damned things tomorrow night? :P
Post by: alexwazer on July 02, 2013, 07:07:58 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 02, 2013, 02:19:46 pm
You can also just buy them from that same Dorren. Yeah, not much of a fetch quest when you can just "fetch" the good from the NPC asking for them.
...
Oh my.
Post by: krisslanza on July 02, 2013, 02:28:58 pm
You can also just buy them from that same Dorren. Yeah, not much of a fetch quest when you can just "fetch" the good from the NPC asking for them.
...
Oh my.
That weird feeling happening right now? :P
Post by: bluejello on July 02, 2013, 08:11:28 pm
anyways, new character, what would be the best way to get money early game?
Post by: Seriyu on July 02, 2013, 08:26:29 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 02, 2013, 10:29:39 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on July 02, 2013, 10:57:15 pm
not much of a fetch quest you say? I say it is the best type of a fetch questI recommend fomor scroll quests if you want to fight a lot of mobs, especially the mimic fomor scroll quest you can get from Duncan in Tir Chonaill and then complete in both Alby Dungeon and Ciar Dungeon. Otherwise if you want something safer then part-time jobs are always good, especially the Tir Chonaill Inn and Dugald Aisle Lumberjack part-time jobs as those are the easiest paying jobs.
anyways, new character, what would be the best way to get money early game?
If you want though you could do any of the Church part-time jobs and just sell stacks of holy water to players for 5,000-10,000g a stack. Otherwise there is Commerce but a fresh out-of-the-box character may or may not have a hard time with bandits depending on how high your latency is and whether or not you can avoid them. Those are just what I'd recommend as I'm sure others in this thread might have other ideas.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 03, 2013, 01:24:02 am
not much of a fetch quest you say? I say it is the best type of a fetch quest
anyways, new character, what would be the best way to get money early game?
In addition to this tried and true advice, I would recommend Commerce. It can be tedious, especially when you first get started, but eventually yields very reasonable quick and consistent amounts of gold, while allowing you to farm levels at an absurdly high rate!
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2013, 02:55:40 am
And by that I mean I've gotten metal conversion up to rank A. What does this mean for you?! SEND ALL YOUR COPPER TO ME. I will turn it into silver. That's honestly probably the main use of the skill, but if you for some reason want iron turned into copper please tell me and I will make it so. It's a 5:1 ratio, I can upgrade ore or ingots, and most notably, I can turn unknown ore fragments into iron ore or ingots. Send all your unknown ore to me. Please mention if you want it back in the message or I probably won't send it back. I cannot turn silver to gold or gold to mythril yet but I am working on it.
THE TYRANNY OF COPPER IS OVER
an addendum
(http://i.imgur.com/4iyWZ7U.png?1)
(seriously though dir you're the best)
Post by: alexwazer on July 03, 2013, 07:35:02 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 08:03:17 am
If you want though you could do any of the Church part-time jobs and just sell stacks of holy water to players for 5,000-10,000g a stack.Holy Water is a hot commodity. It stacks to 10, and you should be able to make 1,000 each EASY. If you're selling for 500 each then you must have all your weapons broken and in a panic to get some cash RIGHT NOW. If you're patient you can even make 2,000 each, depending on channel, how much you have stocked, and how long you want to leave yourself online overnight.
THE TYRANNY OF COPPER IS OVERGLORY TO OUR ACLEHMICAL SAVIOR!
Post by: Shakerag on July 03, 2013, 08:58:13 am
In other news, bear cubs are serious business, but with some aid from the titty fairy I took one down. Went from 25% lvl1 to 90something% lvl2. Ice worms, on the other hand, are the stuff of nightmares.
Also! I finally found my heart of the cards and entered the shadow realm, for some hot elf on mannequin action. I lost. Apparently I ran out of arrows, and while punching wood sounds like an amusing metaphor, it really wasn't getting me very far as I was getting knocked on my ass every time I tried.
I think I'm going to give this game one more try before giving up >_>
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 09:06:42 am
So apparently channel 4 is broken. And by broken, I mean that the WORLD IS DEVOID OF LIFE. Largely.Bears will kill very experienced players. Really at your level (exactly 2) you should be doing the basic dungeons or crafting to level up. Doing part time jobs for holy water, selling for 10k per 10, and then going for crafting tools (splitting axe, sieve, potion kit, etc.) and you can gain some decent experience from crafting. This only really works up to level ~10, or in massive bulk later levels (like 50 crafting attempts).
In other news, bear cubs are serious business, but with some aid from the titty fairy I took one down. Went from 25% lvl1 to 90something% lvl2. Ice worms, on the other hand, are the stuff of nightmares.
Also! I finally found my heart of the cards and entered the shadow realm, for some hot elf on mannequin action. I lost. Apparently I ran out of arrows, and while punching wood sounds like an amusing metaphor, it really wasn't getting me very far as I was getting knocked on my ass every time I tried.
I think I'm going to give this game one more try before giving up >_>
Really, there's a LOT of things you can do. Any you've managed to pick all the wrong ones :P Finishing G1 is actually designed for low-levels, giving very decent rewards.
Post by: krisslanza on July 03, 2013, 09:08:02 am
At least, I cannot think of any other "shadow realm" any new player would enter. It's not even really the Shadow Realm (it has a red sky), but the game's instances are on the same server as the Shadow Realm I think.
And yes, bears are serious business. They are, after all, bears.
Post by: Graknorke on July 03, 2013, 09:18:24 am
Also Nao is forever onwards the "titty fairy".
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 09:21:18 am
I think the "shadow realm" you entered is the way the game has the instanced tutorials work... it's Tin's combat classes right? You shouldn't have any problems passing them if you do exactly what he says at each part.Fun fact: I ignored the tutorial for a long time. Now if I want to do it, it's on Hard Mode due to scaling with level, and it's solo. I can't beat it.
Not sure I'm missing anything though...
Post by: Shakerag on July 03, 2013, 09:46:28 am
Bears will kill very experienced players. Really at your level (exactly 2) you should be doing the basic dungeons or crafting to level up. Doing part time jobs for holy water, selling for 10k per 10, and then going for crafting tools (splitting axe, sieve, potion kit, etc.) and you can gain some decent experience from crafting. This only really works up to level ~10, or in massive bulk later levels (like 50 crafting attempts).Well, it was a bear cub, technically. But, yeah, I was wandering around the whole damn continent before someone told me to switch channels, and then I'm trying to get back to the starting town and SUDDENLY BEARS, THOUSANDS OF THEM.
Really, there's a LOT of things you can do. Any you've managed to pick all the wrong ones :P Finishing G1 is actually designed for low-levels, giving very decent rewards.
Also, crafting sounds sweatshop-y.
I think the "shadow realm" you entered is the way the game has the instanced tutorials work... it's Tin's combat classes right? You shouldn't have any problems passing them if you do exactly what he says at each part.Yeah, it was supposed to be an archer tutorial. I failed it. I'm apparently the "special" elf.
Also Nao is forever onwards the "titty fairy".Yeah, that's her name. I think her chest has serious gravitational pull.
Post by: krisslanza on July 03, 2013, 10:03:15 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 10:28:58 am
Fun fact: Some NPCs have a bigger, or as big, chest as Nao. It's just only her model has breast physics.That one villager in Cor.
Post by: majikero on July 03, 2013, 11:23:37 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 12:29:27 pm
Great, now I have to get more Nao stones just to see her twirl around in Rua's dress.All this time I thought Nexon made money on fixed dyes and gatchas... Now I know the truth!
Post by: krisslanza on July 03, 2013, 01:18:32 pm
Kusina, I think. Rua is probably about the same size. Morrighan as well, maybe larger.Fun fact: Some NPCs have a bigger, or as big, chest as Nao. It's just only her model has breast physics.That one villager in Cor.
Alexina is pretty large as well... actually, quite a lot. Juliet. Portia. The list goes on.
Really all that makes Nao stand out is her model has breast physics, since they never had to model it to actually do anything but that float-in and twirl.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 03, 2013, 01:28:39 pm
Also unfair, Rua is a prostitute. That's professional cleavage. You even have to pay to GET IN THE STORE!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 03, 2013, 02:49:41 pm
Post by: Neyvn on July 03, 2013, 02:49:55 pm
Just tired it, wow are the controls clunky...
I chose Martial Trait, given Knuckles, First Skills/Active Talents gained....... Knight... WTF?
Graphics and Music are so jaring, the music is constantly loud until you turn it down and the Graphics are just overwhealming in colour and brightness until ONCE AGAIN you turn them down.... WAIT HOW DO I TURN THEM DOWN!?!
Menus are confusingly compiled onto one another and hidden behind another that a simple click on the wrong pixel that looks right will stuff you around...
Inventory, WTF IS WITH THIS CRAP!?
.....
Ok, I am sure I would get used to it after playing a while, but damn is it sadly unsupportive to new players, I wasn't even sure I created my character right and the Randomizer throws in Premium stuff so WHY are they even there as a character creator for a new character/player....
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 03, 2013, 02:53:25 pm
.....
Just tired it, wow are the controls clunky...
I chose Martial Trait, given Knuckles, First Skills/Active Talents gained....... Knight... WTF?
Graphics and Music are so jaring, the music is constantly loud until you turn it down and the Graphics are just overwhealming in colour and brightness until ONCE AGAIN you turn them down.... WAIT HOW DO I TURN THEM DOWN!?!
Menus are confusingly compiled onto one another and hidden behind another that a simple click on the wrong pixel that looks right will stuff you around...
Inventory, WTF IS WITH THIS CRAP!?
.....
Ok, I am sure I would get used to it after playing a while, but damn is it sadly unsupportive to new players, I wasn't even sure I created my character right and the Randomizer throws in Premium stuff so WHY are they even there as a character creator for a new character/player....
Did you read the tutorial on the website before jumping it? It's true that the game can very unintuitive to new players at times, but to be fair, it's fairly complex.
If you'd like some in-game help should you choose to give it another try, you might post your character name here.
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2013, 06:47:24 pm
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Just tired it, wow are the controls clunky...
I chose Martial Trait, given Knuckles, First Skills/Active Talents gained....... Knight... WTF?
Graphics and Music are so jaring, the music is constantly loud until you turn it down and the Graphics are just overwhealming in colour and brightness until ONCE AGAIN you turn them down.... WAIT HOW DO I TURN THEM DOWN!?!
Menus are confusingly compiled onto one another and hidden behind another that a simple click on the wrong pixel that looks right will stuff you around...
Inventory, WTF IS WITH THIS CRAP!?
.....
Ok, I am sure I would get used to it after playing a while, but damn is it sadly unsupportive to new players, I wasn't even sure I created my character right and the Randomizer throws in Premium stuff so WHY are they even there as a character creator for a new character/player....
First off, I agree whole heartedly, the combat is a little clunky when you start out, part of that is just the nature of the game, part of that is almost certainly the fact that a controller would just support this sort've thing better. But there are a lot of skills and not nearly enough controller buttons so that's out. You will get over it in time, and realize things move a little slowly in game to make it possible to avoid dying in horrible circumstances (you'll be glad the goblins are running so slowly when three of them are running at you and oen hit is all it'll take to kill you. You'll probably die the first few times of these, but it makes it seem (and makes it period) much more managable. There's nothing quite like taking out the first goblin with a smash, knocking the second away with counter, and killing the third with a crit windmill. It will seriously make you feel like the king of badasses, it never doesn't.
As for the bright colors, it was made in korea for a younger audience (I think? skyrunner help) and just general has that semi "cutesy" look, bright colors are gonna be all over and it's never really gonna fade besides in dungeons and the shadow realm. Although in it's defense it really does make the cutesy look work without making it saccharine sweet either. It's a good balance.
If you give it another shot don't be afraid to join the guild, we have 200 slots and are using like 50 of them tops. And if we somehow do fill up we have alts to boot and mosto f the guild is inactive at this point. So don't worry about "wasting a slot". We'll be happy to help you come to terms with this assault on your senses! :D
Post by: krisslanza on July 03, 2013, 06:57:48 pm
Nao's costume helps though, the others generally have unflattering costumes, while Nao rather specifically has the seam down the cleavage. Nao is also encountered more often, since you rebirth.
Also unfair, Rua is a prostitute. That's professional cleavage. You even have to pay to GET IN THE STORE!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If she's a prostitute, I'd never leave Bean Rua ::)
Though the guy behind the bar there, Lucas I think? Is apparently a complete and total bastard if you go into the backstory of some of the female characters, like Dilys.
@Neyvn:
Well it IS a game that is nearly a decade old by now, I think... the graphics back then were certainly cutting edge. Not so much anymore...
Post by: bluejello on July 03, 2013, 07:36:21 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 04, 2013, 12:09:52 am
The chief art designer of Mabinogi (who has now resigned) said in an interview that his goal was to make a world that wasn't scary. That's why even the darkest dungeons aren't scary in terms of aesthetics.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 04, 2013, 12:19:11 am
It's a land of plenty, resources are in ridiculous abundance, where you cannot die, cannot starve, and jobs are available at any town at short notice... and yet you still search for something better?
Post by: majikero on July 04, 2013, 12:42:22 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 04, 2013, 12:54:26 am
In a way, Mabinogi's lack of scary says a lot to the game and the setting. It's interesting that in Errin you cannot die, you simply wake up later. And you search for Paradise in G1, ending in in Tir Na Nog and realizing it's a wasteland, then Vindictus seems to be a prequel or parallel universe of sorts, where they seek the promised land, either implied or stated to be Errin...
It's a land of plenty, resources are in ridiculous abundance, where you cannot die, cannot starve, and jobs are available at any town at short notice... and yet you still search for something better?
Vindictus is the prequel. It's in... well, yeah. G1 will let you know. Vindictus is NOT a happy setting. At all.
Milletains are only immortal because their souls are disconnected and float in the Soul Stream, so they just hop into a new body when they die.
Post by: Seriyu on July 04, 2013, 01:19:45 am
It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it sure didn't have the same audience as the ones for Vindictus.
The chief art designer of Mabinogi (who has now resigned) said in an interview that his goal was to make a world that wasn't scary. That's why even the darkest dungeons aren't scary in terms of aesthetics.
Huh, now that I think about it that makes sense, given it was devcat's first game. Interesting on the art direction note too, I'd say he succeeded very well.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2013, 01:24:07 am
In a way, Mabinogi's lack of scary says a lot to the game and the setting. It's interesting that in Errin you cannot die, you simply wake up later. And you search for Paradise in G1, ending in in Tir Na Nog and realizing it's a wasteland, then Vindictus seems to be a prequel or parallel universe of sorts, where they seek the promised land, either implied or stated to be Errin...
It's a land of plenty, resources are in ridiculous abundance, where you cannot die, cannot starve, and jobs are available at any town at short notice... and yet you still search for something better?
Vindictus is the prequel. It's in... well, yeah. G1 will let you know. Vindictus is NOT a happy setting. At all.
Milletains are only immortal because their souls are disconnected and float in the Soul Stream, so they just hop into a new body when they die.
Unless they earn the ire of a deity, who may as a consequence violently "shuck" them from their husks. :P
One note on offensively bright colors: somewhere under Options (the large button on the bottom left) -> Video, you can chose a something-filter, which gives the game a "movie screen" look. This end result is a rather "grittier" picture.
I am not sure, however, if it is checked or not by default.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 04, 2013, 01:51:45 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 04, 2013, 02:29:43 am
Strangely, what you can see of the story until ~lv 36 in Vindictus has little mention of finding a paradise.
It's not a thing the common people are too focused on. It's mostly the Pontiff's Court, the early story of Vindictus is about the Crimson Blades, after all. They're just concerned with making a living, not looking for some fabled paradise.
Looming war with the Fomors is far more pressing.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2013, 06:27:50 am
At any rate, I reckon I am going to need some well-equipped health. I've managed to burn through 20 Nao Stones, all of my health potions, and the better part of my temper. At this point I'm almost inclined to skip the whole thing, but the reward is too great to pass up.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 04, 2013, 06:34:17 am
Mabi's idea of 'scaling' is 'buff HP, defense, crit chance, and protection to rediculous amounts but change nothing else'. I think only some very op builds can solo, like maybe Ice Spear master with a casting time reduction wand and mana elixers. >_>
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2013, 06:41:37 am
Once you are over lv1000, it's near impossible to solo shadow missions.
Mabi's idea of 'scaling' is 'buff HP, defense, crit chance, and protection to rediculous amounts but change nothing else'. I think only some very op builds can solo, like maybe Ice Spear master with a casting time reduction wand and mana elixers. >_>
Do not worry, and rest assured- when the Regime has triumphed, we will march on Nexon, and then DEVcat- and all of Erinn's history will be rewritten! :D
Until then, I just need a hand finishing the last three quests standing between me and demigodhood.
Post by: alexwazer on July 04, 2013, 08:18:36 am
Post by: majikero on July 04, 2013, 09:52:17 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 04, 2013, 10:14:02 am
Post by: majikero on July 04, 2013, 10:32:45 am
Post by: Sonlirain on July 04, 2013, 11:03:49 am
Only to return to it after 6+ months.
Post by: krisslanza on July 04, 2013, 11:17:29 am
Yup. It's a game you play... then suddenly stop.
Only to return to it after 6+ months.
Yeah that sound about right to be honest. Mabinogi is fun, but I get burnt out of it after a point.
Then I always come crawling back...
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2013, 04:50:53 pm
It's all very unfortunate. In certain settings (where the enemies don't lightning aggro, multi-aggro in an imbalanced fashion, or abuse the camera angle) Mabi's combat is quite enjoyable. And the fashion and aesthetics? OH THE FASHION AND AESTHETICS! But inevitably, you want to expand, progress, and explore- and herein is the problem. I feel as though any scrap of advancement in this MMO's central quest line is completely hollow. It doesn't inspire or motivate via plot or dialogue, and it only rarely contributes to the the genuinely fun aspects of game play.
All in all, I must liken Mabinogi to a toybox. There are some real wonders in there somewhere, but it requires lots real digging.
They might as well put Demigod in the cash shop. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 04, 2013, 04:56:09 pm
EDIT: Well, on the other hand it does promote teaming up in a game where you would initially think impossible (I'll just grind the story away!), and I can understand why they crank up stats rather then write new AI (because people tend to figure out new AI rather quickly if the wiki guides on the Iria saga are any indication, along with the fact that people had "solved" the black dragon about two days into the release, admittantly likely because japanese or korean wikis can just be copied from but still, cranking up stats will last the life of the game and making new AI, while fun and neat to deal with, will last a week tops) and putting people into a position where they can't one shot things is a good way to increase difficulty given the nature of the game.
I suppose at the end of the day the question is, does that sort of thing belong in generation quests. Probably not, even after what I said.
Post by: Graknorke on July 04, 2013, 05:02:10 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2013, 05:03:19 pm
I think that you can select the talent level that you want it to scale to.
If so, how? Changing your active talent doesn't have an effect, and I've never noticed the option in the Option Menu or on any sort of quest window.
Post by: Seriyu on July 04, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 04, 2013, 05:07:06 pm
I think he may be referring to normal shadow missions and not the generation quests. If you are referring to the gen quests though yeah, spill the beans. (also I re edited my rant on the last page aa)I had no idea you were referring to gen quests. I have no idea about those.
Post by: Seriyu on July 04, 2013, 06:14:50 pm
Post by: bluejello on July 04, 2013, 09:53:50 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 04, 2013, 09:56:55 pm
well, ran into my first black dragon... one hit from one of it minions almost killed me, so I did what any sensible person would do and ran. this was while I was getting the mirrage missile or whatever it is.It's a raid boss. It's meant to be fought by a guild-full of top-tier and still have trouble because it's just beyond the scope of singular players.
That said, if you've got mana shield, low HP, and a lot of healing potions, you can earn some decent gold by getting 1,000 contribution doing smash on the dragon. If you get behind it, not much hits you, and if anything does, you go Deadly and can heal.
Post by: bluejello on July 04, 2013, 10:19:01 pm
I am a elf archer that probably is not spending his AP that effectivly
Post by: Girlinhat on July 04, 2013, 10:25:31 pm
I think it was a player summoned one, as there were not many people there (around 7) and a lot of minions, and I am a very new character. still trying to figure out the best way to level, commerce appears to be the best right now to me...As a fellow elfbro, let me say - Magnum Shot. This is the only skill you need. You really want to max this as far as you feasibly can. That means your real skills are - Ranged Attack, (Cross)Bow Mastery, Critical Hit, and Magnum Shot. The way you use it is to spam it. Just one after another, Magnum Magnum Magnum. Works best either with an insane range bow (Highlander Longbow, Wing Bow, Elven Longbow) or rapid-fire bows (Elven Short Bow). You just wait for the enemy to stand, and when they get close you magnum them back.
I am a elf archer that probably is not spending his AP that effectivly
Post by: alexwazer on July 04, 2013, 10:43:02 pm
That being said, I think G10 is the only one that's really worth doing. It gives demigod and Neamhain powers which are pretty nice, especially spear of light. Cichol and Morrighan's aren't all that great in comparison in my opinion. Even the brionac isn't that useful unless you have tons of AP to waste.
Post by: Seriyu on July 04, 2013, 10:51:20 pm
ALso bluejello, have you applied for the guild? There's enough space, don't worry about eating a slot with a "bad character" or something. :P
Post by: alexwazer on July 04, 2013, 11:04:42 pm
However, it's mostly demigod itself that makes runnign G10 worth the trouble. The speed bonus and regen are great. And it looks awesome, which by itself should be enough to get it.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 05, 2013, 04:08:41 am
Actually, Morrighan's Wings of Eclipse is really good. The problem is that since you lose skill exp using it, it see limited use if you don't rebirth every week. Wings of rage is also not terrible, but it has even less uses since very very few mobs are worth using it on. Although, the same could be said about spear of light, but what can I say, I'm biaised :P
However, it's mostly demigod itself that makes runnign G10 worth the trouble. The speed bonus and regen are great. And it looks awesome, which by itself should be enough to get it.
I am afraid I will have to give it a try... after training transformation. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2013, 06:22:26 am
First off, armor changes. Heavy armor will now reduce your dex by 50% (35% with armor masteries, 30% if you're a giant, 10% if you're a giant with masteries, we'll get to them later). Just heavy armor will reduce dex despite my words to the contrary earlier. With heavy armor mastery (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Heavy_Armor_Mastery), the defense and prot will go up by 20 and 10 respectively at rank 1, magic def and prot will go up by 10 and 5. It'll also raise your auto defenses a bit. Magic defense and prot have been seperated and made an official stat too. It'll also let you use accessories with heavy armor at certain breakpoints. It costs a paltry 23 AP to hit rank 1 with, I have no idea how bad training it is but I'm willing to bet it involves getting beat up so I can't imagine it'll be too terrible.
Light armor and clothing have no dex loss. Light armor now has magic and defense protection built in, and it's mastery (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Light_Armor_Mastery) will raise said magic def and prot, along with it's physical def and prot by less then heavy armor, but no dex penalty. It'll also gain an additional accessory slot at some point. Clothing has no mastery, but it is super cheap to repair as always. Unless it's magic or expensive. Look stop wearing clothes into a swordfight it's just a bad idea I'm sorry
Shields also get a mastery (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shield_Mastery), raises your defensive stats and auto defenses. That skill is also absurdly cheap. Get it if you use shields.
So, armor changes, tl;dr: heavy armor lowers dex now, giants get hit less hard, magic def and prot are now stats on your character sheet, there are armor and shield masteries that do what you expect.
Magic changes, magic weapons get a mastery (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Magic_Weapon_Mastery), they raise the damage of bolts and casting speed of int magic. There's an instant cast skill (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Snap_Cast) that lets you instacast for about 15 seconds if I recall correctly. You cannot instant cast meteor strike (ooh what's that) as it is entirely too mighty to be done. Seriously, that thing's a monster. The cooldown of the skill (3 minutes) can be decreased if you hit enemies with bolts/spells while it's active. 2 seconds are deducated from the cooldown time per bolt. 40 AP in total to get. Note all the low AP skills, I feel these things are new skills to add new "mechanics" without updating the engine. Maybe I'm wrong. One more support magic skill, Spell walk (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Spell_Walk). It's a toggle, and it lets you walk with a spell "loading". At rank 1 you move at normal speed, before that you move slower. It only works for int and advanced magic. I do not know if you can still move after the spell is "loaded" and waiting to be fired. While it's active and you're moving, stamina will drain out of you at an alarming rate, so yeah. I believe it must be casted before the spell you want to walk during. Speed enhancement boosts will still apply during the skill, although obviously there's less speed to boost so you'll be moving slower in total. You CAN move during meteor strike. (ooooo) Speaking of which! METEOR STRIKE (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Meteor_Strike). The new advanced fire magic. I TOTALLY CALLED IT. It works like this, you cast it, a meteor falls out of the sky (it works indoors, what will those wizards think of next), it kills everything nearby. It's that simple! It has a whopping cooldown of 15 minutes however, so think of it is a second adniel. It causes some physical damage, ignores protection for calculating critical rate, and drains your mana if it's loaded and you haven't casted it yet.
There are new pay only zero talents that mostly boost the new skills blahblah cash shop standards. New cards let you make characters at a certain cumulative level if you have reached that level before at certain benchmarks.
Some new equipment, we can go over it when the time draws closer, but there are knuckles that act as a wand and knuckles. Int magic with your punching, yes sir.
Some minor stat changes, strength will add defense at 1 every 10 strength, magic attack grows at quadruple the rate, 1 for every 5 int, as opposed to 20 from before, every 20 int raises magic prot by 1, defense is no longer gained through int, balance has changed and you can only gain a maximum of 50% balance through stats, the rest has to come from a weapon. Weapon choice is a thing again. Every 10 will will give you 1 magic def. The formula for chance to go into deadly has changed din some way. I can't think of any way they could make it happen more often, so expect a nerf. The lucky get luckier as luck increases the chance for ranged attacks (also magic maybe Iunno) to passively miss, without use of evasion. I don't know if this effects monsters, so don't freak out yet player archers. Magic damage formula has changed into "Base Skill Damage + (Magic Attack x Skill Bonus)". From what I've read, this is a buff for bolts and a slight nerf for int and advanced. I don't know what the previous formula was, but if any of you can find it and want to do math, go for it. Prot and defense are split into magic prot/prot and magic defense/defense. THE PROTECTION FORMULA HAS BEEN REVISED. Protection gets diminishing returns the higher you go. This will mostly effect min maxers who have 90 prot via hijinx. Expect a slight increase in damage to you. IF THIS EFFECTS MONSTERS IT MIGHT MAKE ADVANCED AND UP MISSIONS MUCH MUCH LESS PAINFUL. Here's hoping. NEW STAT: Defense piercing. It ignores defense by that amount. Every 15 dex raises it by one, and GASP axes get a bonus to it! Could this be the much vaunted differences between weapon types? We can hope. There's... there's a lot of hope here. Several monsters defensive values in general have been altered for all these changes. Hopefully not to retain their rediculous defensiveness even after the patch. Please Nexon, listen to reason. I'm so tired.
tl;dr can't be done due to the nature of it I'm sorry go up and read more it's good stuff.
And now for the big one, ALCHEMY REVAMP. Load times go down across the board, damage goes up, the current HP MP and Stam values will now effect alchemy damage so it scales a little bit. This will make transformations, particularly high rolling dark knights, alchemy monsters. Various skills do more damage with various meters, you can look them up on the patches page of the wiki, the druid update under "Zero", this post is getting too long. But here's the best part: Specialty crystals (life drain, cloudcasting etc) with the exception of int magic crystals are GONE. Entirely. Skills now use various combinations of normal crystals, if you'd like to know specific ammo requirements check the patches page same place. Normal crystals now stack to 1k, specialty crystals in rewards are replaced with normal crystals. Damage of skills goes up across the board, freezing burst gets a whopping 30 second cooldown, the various "overheating" mechanics in place for wind blast and sand burst are now replaced with a generic cooldown. Oh, about sand burst. It got a huge buff. It no longer requires combat power advantage to succeed, it only needs to load once, and WHEN YOU BLIND AN ENEMY IT DROPS AGGRO HOLY SHIT A WAY TO DROP AGGRO THAT ISN'T PLAY DEAD HALLELUJAH. Minor changes to chain cylinder, it works 100% of the time, but has a cooldown. The toggle has a use now. The master title reduces the cooldown by one second instead of increasing the frequency. Monster skill ranks in alchemy have been lowered considerably so they don't gut you with giant balls of water and fire and their enormous bars of HP MP and stamina.
tl;dr: Alchemy damage effected by HP,MP,Stamina, SAND BURST DROPS AGGRO HELL YES, specialty crystals are gone, int magic crystals stay, alchemy all around much better later in the game.
And finally, the misc changes. When you heal someone it shows you exactly how much you heal. Hooray. Taunt no longer relies on CP for success rate. Nifty. Filia and vales being redeisnged. Pretty awesome.
With all this, thank you if you read all of it, I am going to sleep I have been typing for far too long. Big changes coming, wanted people to know ahead of time, this patch isn't coming for a couple of months AT LEAST so don't freak out yet, but don't be afraid to get ready with a nice good balanced weapon if you intend to keep using heavy armor. I know I am. Be cool like me. There's some more cool stuff after that patch but we can go over it later.
GOOD NIGHT CLEVELAND
Post by: Girlinhat on July 05, 2013, 08:54:50 am
If armor further reduces your balance, you may need a higher balance weapon. On the other hand, armor may make it more difficult to reach the dex-based 50%. We'll have to see what changes exactly and rebuild weapons from there.
On that note, I'm still a blacksmith. Player-made weapons get +balance, which will now count a whole lot more than it used to, and player-made shields and armor can get +prot, which will be a lot more difficult to get and therefor blacksmiths become much more useful. Expect to see a lot more Barri runs in the future!
Post by: Skyrunner on July 05, 2013, 08:58:31 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2013, 11:46:48 am
"Laur" currently has enough dex to hit 80% on any weapon, "Barius" has like 3%.I'm sorry, this was really really funny to me. :P
Post by: Girlinhat on July 05, 2013, 11:56:53 am
The sad thing is, I'm not even exaggerating..."Laur" currently has enough dex to hit 80% on any weapon, "Barius" has like 3%.I'm sorry, this was really really funny to me. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2013, 05:05:25 pm
I would honestly call the chain cylinder thing more lateral, but it's certainly not a buff, no.
EDIT: OH, on dex chat from earlier, note that the formula is changing, it's possible dex will get less weight for balance, not saying it's GONNA HAPPEN but it's always a possibility.
Post by: Seriyu on July 06, 2013, 10:39:38 pm
It's got 300k HP, a single smash from my transformed self was doing about 1% of it's HP, so it shouldn't be toooooo bad, 3-4 man party tops, it operates off a contrib system like black dragon so the more contrib you get the more gold and exp you get. Drops include sandworm parts and other random doodads. I think there's a few recipes in there too? Much like black dragon, as long as you contribute you get something.
Attacks are a basic attack that wounds a lot, pretty sure it can be blocked, dunno about countered, annnnd a stampede style attack where it just moves straight at someone. You can sidestep that one. This obviously has no set date, and right now I think we'll start off by making sure this thing really does stay spawned all day, along with some cursory attempts at killing the thing. If anyone is actively looking for it in guild chat, say something so people know and can perhaps join in the hunt! We can move up from here if sandworm goes smoothly.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 06, 2013, 10:54:50 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 06, 2013, 11:03:00 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on July 07, 2013, 02:15:35 am
Post by: bluejello on July 07, 2013, 08:33:12 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 07, 2013, 09:04:50 am
you are probably far ahead of me, I have yet to do the second G1 content quest...I haven't finished any G-quests.
Well, I think I did G9... the alchemist one that gives raincasting. Otherwise none.
Post by: bluejello on July 07, 2013, 09:28:50 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 07, 2013, 09:29:10 am
you are probably far ahead of me, I have yet to do the second G1 content quest...I haven't done anything. :/
I also got duped by the bard update, so yeah.
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2013, 05:19:15 pm
Also yeah, you can catch all sorts of wierd stuff with fishing. :P
Post by: krisslanza on July 07, 2013, 07:45:50 pm
I swore I read in the patch notes that shadow missions don't scale anymore but apparently not. Maybe they meant they scale by talent level now rather then cumulative level. Which is only marginally better, namely in the sense that if you spread your AP out things won't nail you quite as hard even if you are at 1k. Still a bad system and they need to scrap it.
EDIT: Well, on the other hand it does promote teaming up in a game where you would initially think impossible (I'll just grind the story away!), and I can understand why they crank up stats rather then write new AI (because people tend to figure out new AI rather quickly if the wiki guides on the Iria saga are any indication, along with the fact that people had "solved" the black dragon about two days into the release, admittantly likely because japanese or korean wikis can just be copied from but still, cranking up stats will last the life of the game and making new AI, while fun and neat to deal with, will last a week tops) and putting people into a position where they can't one shot things is a good way to increase difficulty given the nature of the game.
I suppose at the end of the day the question is, does that sort of thing belong in generation quests. Probably not, even after what I said.
From what I recall they changed Romeo's Shadow missions because they scaled to your level, but Romeo seemed to have a fixed level - AKA, if you were high level, Romeo was too weak to actually have any chance of finishing his solo Shadow missions.
I THINK.
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2013, 08:47:14 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 08, 2013, 05:18:43 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2013, 05:59:29 pm
EDIT: IT's also patching now, maybe it's fixed already.
Also, it being a weekday, the giant sandworm has a window to spawn pretty much all day for about an hour. If you see the jerk feel free to yak about it in guild chat.
We are also one dragon claw richer. I don't know how many dragon parts we need for dragon gears when that crafting skill comes out, but more is better. I'm currently saving up AP for heruin engineering, annnnd aco I believe wants to work on magic crafting. If anyone else also has a penchant for these things please feel free to do it too, who knows how far me/aco will get in before we get distracted and go do something else (by me/aco I of course just mean me)
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2013, 05:47:40 am
Also to get people a bit more salivating for the new crafting skills, heruin engineering can make a bow. It's a really nice bow, easily top tier, but besides that there's nothing odd about it besides the fact that it's made with dragon parts. Until you get to magic crafting, which can make an arrow for that bow, also made with dragon parts. The hook? that arrow gives the dragon bow, and only the dragon bow infinite ammo. On a top tier bow that puts many lesser bow egos to shame. YEP I believe there's also an ice lance one of the two crafting skills can make that has a chance to freeze enemies when it hits them. This is looking to be "blacksmithing mark 2 also without manuals".
To be fair to blacksmithing I can't see most of these being cheap to repair/maintain, and they're very hard to make. So this isn't something you hand out to random chumps.
It can also make a suit of armor (maybe 2 eventually???) that is heavy armor that elves can wear, so if there were any elves that desperately wanted to be melee fighters, well here you go! Although it's also made of dragon parts. I think.
On top of this it can make guns which is nice but; you know, we don't have those skills yet so who knows how good those are?
Magic crafting makes wands and MAYBE knuckle/wand hybrids. If you've ever wanted to be a fist wizard now is your chance. They also make a few new accessories th at DON'T raise def/prot, notably the stat one from before and I think one other one that I forget.
I will be trying my damnedest to hit rank 1 in heruin engineering, but from what I've heard training it is like blacksmithing but worse so who knows. I WILL DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY PEOPLE
Post by: krisslanza on July 10, 2013, 08:46:43 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 10, 2013, 11:19:54 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2013, 04:56:02 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 10, 2013, 04:57:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2013, 08:08:23 pm
But yeah with the coming dex changes unless you're a wizard or melee (maybe) elf you should probably avoid it, what with massive dex being elf'ses thing.
Post by: Seriyu on July 11, 2013, 05:32:20 pm
Notably dragons because we haven't managed to find that dang worm yet (not that anyone's been trying very hard but we'll get him god damnit).
Dragon field boss, typically you're there either because you heard me yelling about it in guild chat and came running (and then heard me whine and moan about dying every now and then because dragons make me TENSE) or you managed to stumble on it while it was spawned and probably got chased around by raptors until you died. It's a lot like Jurassic park like that, if Jurassic park's climax involved a dragon smashing through the electric fence and setting the park on fire. But how do you live through this thing with a minimum of death?
Let's talk raptors first. If you have a mission to kill raptors (it is very much worth it to kill raptors, some people think the dragon's defensive stats are tied directly to how many raptors it has nearby, so killing raptors may well bring down it's def and prot. More in depth spading to follow, I'm sure.) it is best to find a group of people, preferably one with a decent level fighter and help them pound the shit out of them. You don't have to join their party, just follow them around. They won't mind the help because it results in dead raptors faster and you won't mind the help because you're not getting killed because you tried to solo one.
Raptors have two tricks, one, they can do an AoE Cone in front of them. If they stop flinching and start kind've like, writhing around a little, you either want to run behind them a short distance and continue beating on them (they're not flinching so it's an opportunity for big damage by smash equivelent spamming), or defend, preferably with a shield, then beat on them. Counter doesn't work, don't bother trying. If you see them jump into the air, just load defense and hope for the best, because as soon as they come down the attack will come out and you'll take a hit and go flying, and if you're unlucky attract the attention of OTHER raptors.
Raptors will also fully heal up to their current max HP whenever the dragon flies/every now and then seemingly at random. Distance from the dragon doesn't matter: they always heal. If you have archery skills you might consider knocking their max HP down a bit with arrows, as it makes killing them a lot easier. That combined with a fighter's def/prot reduction/massive 1v1 damage makes for a good combo.
Now let's talk about the dragon himself. Rule number one, stay away from the front of the dragon. If you are in front of the dragon you will probably die within the minute. He has two attacks, one of which I don't know anything about because I've never stood in front of him, and another, a stomp (NOT BEING STEPPED ON; TAKE NOTE) that will automatically set your HP to deadly even if you have mana shield on. It is possible to get hit by the stomp if you're off to the side a little. If you suddenly get stomped, remember, if your HP is at deadly and your mana shield is on, mana shield cannot protect you. Just run away and find a medic. The fire breath probably just does rediculous damage. Either way, don't be in front of him.
His second, and most useful/frustrating attack, is.... as you'd guess, moving around. You can get stepped on! It will usually take about three steps to kill a non mana shielded human. If you see him move, run away, and remember, the AoE for the step is actually based around which foot is moving. If his left foot is moving, juke to the right, if his right foot is moving, juke to the left. It's not foolproof but you'll dodge a few steps eventually with that knowledge. It's also just really fun to dodge around his feet. My general advice is to run away if he's moving, as he can turn on a time, he's a very dexterous fellow. It's hard to get away from steps without getting mangled unless you run asap, so do that.
His third and a runner up to most useful, is his flight attack! IF you see "attack canceled" flash on your screen, RUN AWAY AND TURN MANA SHIELD ON, he's taken off into the air, even if the animation didn't go off, and if you're lucky some guy with a bow is windmilling his little heart out to bring him back down to the ground in a very janky and poorly represented way. If you're unlucky he'll get the attack off, and if you didn't run soon enough you'll take three hits of up to 100 damage. The only thing that reduces this damage is high rank/int mana shield, and your transformation's mana reflector. I reccomend using mana shield for THIS if you didn't bring a lot of potions to recharge, as it doesn't do an amazing amount of damage, but it's non negligible, and it reduces it by a meaningful amount. If you didn't bring potions turn off mana shield after it's done, as steps will drain your mana shield very quickly, as deadly as they are. Feel free to turn it on if you're low on health too, and hopefully making an escape. Now as I mentioned earlier, if you have a bow, you windmill when he flies. Due to a bug or maybe by intent, bow windmills (bowmills) can hit flying dragons, and when they do, they bring them back down to earth and cancel the attack. If you don't have a bow, don't windmill, or you will make it fly and everyone will be very angry with you. Again, if you windmill the dragon with anything but a bow, it will take off into the air. Just smash spam.
So, you beat the dragon and got goodies for it, notably a huge amount of exp and a less huge but still pretty good amount of gold. Also a random prize! Most of the time it'll be 300 SE potions or something, or maybe leather. Leather is useful for everyone because hey weaving dex yaaay! Ingots should go to a blacksmith, ask in guild chat if anyone wants X ingots and they will send you on their way to either make them useful, or send them to someone that wants them. Cloth/Silk works in a similar way, ask someone, they'll tell you who to throw it at. Obviously if you can use either, use them, this isn't a hard rule, we need more crafters, I would just prefer someone make use of them rather then you selling them for 5k because the crafting economy is deflated because nobody crafts because gachas.
Maybe if you are super lucky and got more then 1k contribution (Contribution also effects the amount of gold and exp you get), you might have gotten a DRAGON PART. They are not useful yet, but they will be. I would reccomend holding on to them until Heruin Engineering comes out in a few weeks, then either selling them or throwing them at me(Bariaus)/acolyte0, as we intend to work on the crafting skills that use the dragon parts. If you want to sell them, wait for the crafting skill to show up. The prices will almost certainly shoot up as everyone scrambles to buy dragon pieces to make new fancy things. A notable dragon part is a dragon heart. It is used in any super good crafting, and it sells for a small fortune. Be particularly careful with these, they're very valuable!
So that's that.
Post by: MadMalkavian on July 11, 2013, 09:26:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 13, 2013, 06:11:12 am
First off, we'll be comparing the Demonic death knight sword (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Demonic_Death_Knight_Sword) with a War sword (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/War_Sword).
For damage, just starting out, the damage of both... well the war sword is already suffering. The Demonic blade has a 9 point edge on it, along with a whoppin 15 point edge on base damage! But that doesn't really matter right, with good balance you've only got 9 points down and the demonic blade isn't so far ahead that it'd be worth paying the repair costs...
Except it's first upgrade adds 30 max damage and ten crit. For NO DOWNSIDE, aside from cost and proffing it. I would keep going but know that the only thing the war sword has an edge on with the demonic sword is it's wound rate, which as you should all know is an afterthought for melee. All of it's upgrade chains end with it having a small edge on max damage, and a like, 20-30 point lead on min damage, along with maintaining a decent crit rate and balance. This thing is good. All the demonic weapons besides the cylinder are good. Even the cylinder is technically good, it's just not good enough to be worth going through the hullabaloo for it. These things have easily earned the title of best weapons in the game, and the only thing you need to use them is a relevant grandmaster talent. And now they're available through spamming a daily quest chain, much to my chagrin. Prepare for an era of unrivaled face smashing (unless they remove them after the saga premier or something but that's still like 2-3 months worth of potential demonic shit.)
Go forth and spam!
Post by: krisslanza on July 13, 2013, 10:42:14 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 13, 2013, 12:26:08 pm
So don't feel too bad for missing them. The reforge was probably the best thing I got so far.
Post by: alexwazer on July 13, 2013, 01:01:12 pm
On a completely unrelated note, I wish we would give Peaca a(nother) try soon. This week-end? Or, at least, I hope we could do another siren run. That was fun and one of the most profitable run in a long while.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 13, 2013, 01:21:05 pm
On another completely unrelated note, the Shakespeare Gs are fixed. I replayed them to get rid of the scripts and also grabbed another Romeo and Juliet script. So if I wanted to make a Shield of Avon, I could get a whopping 2 attempts instead of just 1. :P
Post by: alexwazer on July 13, 2013, 01:23:43 pm
On another completely unrelated note, the Shakespeare Gs are fixed.
That's good to know, I've been waiting to continue G15 for months, although only a few days were due to the bug. Can't wait to get rid of another tab in my quest list. I will ignore G16 forever and possibly even longer.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 13, 2013, 10:26:33 pm
On an customarily unrelated note, a certain buyer not on these forums wanted me to mention that he is in the market for the Dark Knight Ruairi Transformation Medal, which is apparently one of the extremely rare potential drops from the latest chapter of G18. If found, he would be will to pay a very pretty penny for it indeed.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 13, 2013, 10:29:46 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 14, 2013, 06:10:55 pm
I keep getting Ruairi and Ruari mixed up. So I think everyone is after this adorable otter.
In Dark Knight form!
Note: The Elder Council of Erinn has announced a "Draonbreak;" it seems that big black hasn't actually spawned during his regulars hours in at least a day.
To make up for the absence, Abben has organized a spontaneous Peaca run. Log in quick! XD
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 02:03:19 am
I was wondering if anyone could offer a few tips on commerce for the thread, you never know when people start doing them.
Cheers
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 03:53:14 am
Trying my luck with shadow missions to get an Arat Crystal drop. I`m loosing faith pretty fast with this game i have to say, six hours old and the grind+losses feel like a bad joke. Hope this changes with shadows
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 15, 2013, 06:15:18 am
Quickly gave up on commerce after i lost goods because of head on bandits. First tip? don't go into commerce if you don't have good combat skills, you will regret it.
Trying my luck with shadow missions to get an Arat Crystal drop. I`m loosing faith pretty fast with this game i have to say, six hours old and the grind+losses feel like a bad joke. Hope this changes with shadows
While it often isn't exactly self-evident, Mabinogi can be a pretty harsh master in that it demands certain strategies for certain situations. One of these instances is the early game, and this is especially true for first-timers.
Alchemy is not and has never been the ideal starting talent. For starters, it requires a great deal of crafting to be cost efficient, which in turn relies on other abilities and a consistence income of resources for a foundation. What's more, some of the skills rely on progressing through a "Generation" (plot series) that is generally better left until you've reached an intermediate level. On top of that, by their very nature 1.) Alchemy is a support skill meant for use in groups and/or with the Close Combat skillset (which serves as the staple of the game), and 2.) many aspects of the game are meant to be enjoyed with multiple players, more strictly so I think, than is typically the case in your typical western MMO.
Seriyu often refers to Mabinogi as "a slow-burning game" and I think he's absolutely correct. Once you are hooked by all the tiny little features, the clunky but still satisfying smash n' bash combat, and the artistic flair, it holds you fast. The key is first falling in with a pack of comrades who are willing to help you along and share your experiences until you reach that point where you can solo more and more of the activities that await.
I could recommend any number of little things to help get your bearings, but I suggest you log in sometime during the mid-day or early evening PST and speak to someone in person. Seriyu in particular is really knowledge on the ins and outs of the... everything, and would be the man to speak to about alchemy! :)
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 01:10:32 pm
Later edit: i really need a teacher
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 01:59:52 pm
I only picked alchemy because i saw a lot of alchemist soloing all kinds of stuff and hard dungeons. If a warrior or fighter can solo same dungeons then i will switch to them in no time, but i haven't seen any on youtube.Anyone can solo anything with enough ranks.
Later edit: i really need a teacher
Thing is, swords are easy to repair, alchemy has sometimes costly ammo, and magic has EXPENSIVE repair costs.
You really want to start into melee, as it gets a good handle on combat mechanics without weird weapon rules or costly skills.
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 02:15:37 pm
Also, alchemy will get a revamp and will scale with HP/MP/SP. Right now its purely equipment based.
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 03:31:10 pm
is there such a thing as too high level?
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 03:37:10 pm
what is the best way to approach leveling? should i do those godess quests and quests in general? or just grind xp in a dungeon? or some other method maybe?Keep leveling if you can.
is there such a thing as too high level?
Shadow Missions are the best though. The daily ones that show up in quests give 1.5 AP each and there's 2 per day, as well as offering LOADS of exp and gold for the dailies.
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 03:57:09 pm
If that's your first character, you can rebirth everyday till you hit 100 total levels so do some exploration as well.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 04:31:06 pm
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 04:49:26 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 15, 2013, 05:09:11 pm
If you haven,t done so already, I recommend you join the guild Fjallheim. The stone that allows you to send an application is in Cobh/Cohb (forgot). There are often people around and most would be glad to help whenever you want with pretty much whatever you need help with.
For leveling, commerce would probably be your best bet, assuming you can hook up with some other guildies to handle the baddies (Ibid loves them baddies :P) It's a bit slow early on, but once you get wagon, it speeds up considerably. It's also a good way to make money, so that's two birds with one stone.
Edit: Oh! On a unrelated note, I've experience the joy of cloning ingots last saturday. Starting with 12 arat crystals and HW and a bit of metal conversion, I turned 1 iron ingot into 2 full stacks, 1 stack of copper and about 30 silver. Mabi laughs at the laws of physics. So, I plan to work a bit more on Kyu's synth skill (78% success rate cloning silver on saturday, could be better) and get back into commerce a bit to buy arat here and there. All this and more after I get at least r3 weaving on Don. "More" including going back to Blacksmithing too.
Also, our last attempt in Peaca went relatively well. There's been a few deaths, plenty of role confusion, a bit of Oops and ensuing Fun, but overall it was a good run. It must be repeated in the future.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 15, 2013, 05:12:59 pm
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 05:16:53 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 15, 2013, 05:20:36 pm
Depends on if you buy rebirths or not though really. 90 is the highest I've heard a friend go, personally.
Post by: alexwazer on July 15, 2013, 05:25:19 pm
It's relatively easy at higher skill to reach 100 within 3 weeks (while still playing less than 10 hours a day :P) or 60-70 in a week with paid rebirth. With excessive grinding, I could see hitting 100+ in a week, but I hope you either don't like Fun and really really have fun grinding Exp.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 15, 2013, 05:28:59 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 05:33:43 pm
Getting past 100, or even 50, isn't very practical generally.I hit 72-ish playing casually last RB. Those shadow mission dailies on hardest difficulty give ENORMOUS exp!
Depends on if you buy rebirths or not though really. 90 is the highest I've heard a friend go, personally.
Post by: Seriyu on July 15, 2013, 05:34:53 pm
Also yeah, making it up to 70 - 80 is super easy now. I got 30 levels just doing some handicraft.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 05:36:37 pm
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 05:38:51 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 15, 2013, 05:49:29 pm
Okay and pouches of gold because I need a way to deal with counter sometimes.
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 05:51:11 pm
Post by: intense on July 15, 2013, 10:03:11 pm
Ok, i have a free card and ... when should i rebirth the first time (note that i get the option after one real day passed or something).
I'm seriously thinking about starting over although i don't think i messed the char up, it might help me understand the game better hehe. And possibly i might of messed up my char by skipping on rebirths.
character sum up:
I started playing 3 days ago, age 17, i`m still 17, and level 31. I am not excluding commerce, commerce was nice but it got to a point where mobs spawned right next to me, i couldn't kill them all and lost almost everything (have around 2000 ducats).
The arat stone required for flame burst i traded for 4k money, best deal i ever made.
Cheers
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 15, 2013, 10:05:44 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 10:27:45 pm
So... many... things... to... consider...Despite what SO MANY people seem to think, you really don't need to restart, ever. You really cannot mess up a character, you can only advance further. Unlike so many MMOs, you have no limit to skill gain. When you rebirth you can get enough AP to learn all the skills you didn't this time, or boost the ones you did learn.
Ok, i have a free card and ... when should i rebirth the first time (note that i get the option after one real day passed or something).
I'm seriously thinking about starting over although i don't think i messed the char up, it might help me understand the game better hehe. And possibly i might of messed up my char by skipping on rebirths.
character sum up:
I started playing 3 days ago, age 17, i`m still 17, and level 31. I am not excluding commerce, commerce was nice but it got to a point where mobs spawned right next to me, i couldn't kill them all and lost almost everything (have around 2000 ducats).
The arat stone required for flame burst i traded for 4k money, best deal i ever made.
Cheers
There is literally nothing to gain by trying to restart. If you do restart, you just go blank. If you keep what you've already got, then you keep the skills and stat increases and whatever you WOULD try by restarting, is easier to accomplish with those existing skills.
Post by: majikero on July 15, 2013, 11:19:35 pm
There is literally no way you can mess up a character. Just the occasional, "I wish I spent my AP elsewhere". Unless you don't like your characters look. The first card acts like a premium card so you can choose all the options at the start. This is mostly overlooked. If you started as a human, you can go to the elf or giant towns and get a free elf or giant card. you can even get both. Those cards only acts as a basic card so no premium features.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 15, 2013, 11:22:44 pm
I say rebirth, switch to warrior or fighter talent and reset your skills.
And I'll throw in a gorgeous golden gladius FOR FREE! Act now and get a round shield at no additional cost!
Post by: intense on July 16, 2013, 12:11:12 am
I am using 2xshort swords they are very cheap to repair and i have basic melee skills (rank f tops) and alchemy. Should i change my melee setup? :)
Today i feel good.
So, ill stay alchemy just to make you people angry ;)
and use my basic melee skills to do dungeons like ciar beginner for 3k a run :D
Ok about godess quest i had to quit the barri dungeon, its too strong for me right now and i was thinking to start grinding shadow warrior daily since i can solo it. I could also almost finish the stones shadow daily but i think my golem was bugged (stuttered in one place and then countering my every move, not to mention that it started spamming that long range crap hit that i cannot or dont know how to avoid).
All in all?
One of the best games ive played but its really time consuming.
Pretty intense
Later edit: about those rebirths i still don't understand why i should rebirth, i will have to read about it in detail but should i rebirth every chance i get?
Even later edit: applied to join the clan as Demonologist. Oh and i am european so if you guys are NA it would be a bit hard to get on in the same time
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 12:54:50 am
You want to rebirth as frequently as you can, because when you rebirth it resets your level to zero, but does not reset your skills. This means that you lose your level and age bonuses, so your str, dex, etc. will drop, but you go back to level 1 so gaining levels is as easy as if you were a brand new player. You quickly re-gain those stats, and you gain more AP to spend on skills.
There's three kinds of melee.
1: Two-handed sword, for maximum single-strike, slow damage, excellent for use with Smash and Windmill - Windmill especially will gain range when using a large weapon!
2: Single-handed sword and shield, for defensive play where the shield adds more defense than is listed on the item stat, AND gives even more defense when you're using the "Defense" skill. Using "Defense" without a shield is kind of a waste otherwise.
3: Dual-wielding swords, which is good for chaining up hits one after another and stun-locking an enemy. Works best with high-crit weapons and investment into the Critical Hit skill. 'Small' blades are a good choice, like daggers, as they cause less knockback and thus you get in more hits before the enemy is sent flying, while war swords will only hit a few times before the enemy is knocked away.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2013, 01:15:05 am
Single handed sword and shield is oddly enough great for people that play offensively or otherwise get themselves into trouble more often then they probably should, as defense can be loaded while the ending animation of a lot of attack skills is playing, allowing some defense on a whiffed/ineffectual attack. I like it! But it can be as expensive if not moreso then dual wielding, as shields are expensive, and blocking with them lowers durability. A perfectly effective option, but keep that in mind! If you're interested in practicing with it, round shields are pretty good, while still being fairly cheap. Another bonus is being able to block arrows/magic with defense which you will quickly find out is a big deal.
Dual Wielding is the best offense you can get with generic melee (aka close combat). Two swords means double damage on all normal attacks, I dunno if skill damage is doubled, but I think it at least adds to it a bit. Probably the most expensive/second most at least. Notable advantage, humans can only use final hit with dual swords, a very powerful skill that lets you teleport around and permastun an enemy. It's VERY good. If you are not human you can't get this, nor can you dual wield at all (unless you're a giant in whichcase you can dual wield blunt weapons. You however, cannot get final hit. Giants also get super good shields for comparatively low prices, along with the fact that a lot of their one handed weapons have 2 hander damage.)
SO YEAH. Welcome aboard. I'm hopping on now and will get you in if ibid hasn't beat me to it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 16, 2013, 01:19:10 am
Post by: etgfrog on July 16, 2013, 04:49:36 am
actually what happens is both you and the enemy keep hitting each other in an almost ankle tied knife fight so unless you have some very nice defence you will go down pretty quick, but besides that if your fast at clicking then its good for large spawns where they all are agroed onto you.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 16, 2013, 05:02:11 am
On the contrary final hit is great with a 2 handed sword on targets with heavy stance :P
actually what happens is both you and the enemy keep hitting each other in an almost ankle tied knife fight so unless you have some very nice defence you will go down pretty quick, but besides that if your fast at clicking then its good for large spawns where they all are agroed onto you.
It's been tested time and time again, and the general consensus is that, while two-handers/lances deal lump sums of damage, the most efficient DPS for Final Hit comes from "Fast" rated weapons. Even weapons rated "Normal" speed start to fall behind purely due to rate of output.
You're better off with daggers. :P
One of these days, I'm going to stop only musing with the idea of a set of armor with nothing but Final Hit-oriented reforges, to reduce cooldown and prolong the assault (I've seen a reforge that added 30 seconds!), then wield gathering knives into battle! 8)
Post by: etgfrog on July 16, 2013, 05:10:07 am
final hit does the most damage with 2 weapons on a single target...however if you have 5 enemies...then a 2 handed sword is more effective as you can chain knockdown all them. the reason why its effective with a 2 handed sword is because you only do a third the animation of the attack before you teleport to another enemy and hit them, biggest problem is getting camera to cooperate with you.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 07:53:25 am
I don't think windmill gains range with a 2hander, but I may be wrong. 2handers are in essence the late game economy option.Not so much anymore, but a year and more ago Windmill was THE skill to have, because it would hit every enemy in a room, deal incredible damage, higher crit rate, and (most importantly) would cause you to become invulnerable during the animation. So there was a lot of min-maxing directly into Windmill, right around the time before the guild began (Windmill got nerfed right around then). Windmill most certainly increases range depending on weapon reach and hitbox - giants have larger windmill thanks to their larger hitbox (you'll see this especially in Ciar, with the boss golem) and their windmill range varies if they're using fists or super-sized giant cleavers.
In the end, the real point of 2h weapons is for alpha-strike damage, when you're spamming smash, counter, windmill, and assault slash. Effectively it acts much like a Lance, except it uses sword skill pool so it's easy to swap back to sword-n-board if things are getting dicey.
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 08:27:23 am
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 09:40:19 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 09:49:13 am
I'm pretty sure the new tutorial gives all the basic skills now if you do it.
Does it? I made Estus some months ago, but I recall you only start with like Knuckle Mastery and maybe one other attack. The rest were all from doing Rush of Love.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 10:13:59 am
Rush of Love is not even that hard and you get ducats as well.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 10:23:43 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 10:26:17 am
Man, you guys and your tutorials... Back in my day we didn't have talents, they just dropped you in the world with a short sword and a loaf of bread and sent you to consult the crazy fox guard.
Those were the days.
I'll miss you Eiry. You are better then the actual sword spirit girl, why can't I have you again Eiry? WHY? :'(
I'm thinking of rebirthing Estus to do Warrior, just so I'll actually use Defense and get that ranked up some. But then it also means all my offense goes down the hole, since all my skills and equipment is used for Fighter...
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 10:29:06 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 10:55:54 am
I'm thinking of rebirthing Estus to do Warrior, just so I'll actually use Defense and get that ranked up some. But then it also means all my offense goes down the hole, since all my skills and equipment is used for Fighter...As we end up saying in Pathfinder every week to someone: Play what you want to, we'll make it work. Don't worry as much about playing to fit a role, as playing what you'll have fun with.
Post by: intense on July 16, 2013, 12:17:40 pm
"The two highest CP-giving skills will be the only skills that affect CP. The skill with the highest CP will contribute all of its CP to the player's total CP rating, and the 2nd highest will only give half of its CP."
That means that the only worry for me as an alchemist when ranking another skill is possible the stat cp that each skill gives because i am already ranking 2 skills. And the total AP`s :D Theoretically i can rank a shit ton of other skills, unlike what i previously thought. Practically i don't have enough AP`s.
So... is this right?
And if it is why is windmill still tough to rank if you rank other skills as well?
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 12:26:15 pm
On the plus side, you only need 1 enemy of the appropriate rank when it says to hit multiple enemies.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 16, 2013, 12:29:25 pm
Practically i don't have enough AP`s.
So... is this right?
100 % correct. :D
Windmill is one of the highest CP giving skills. At high levels, you need to hit 3 enemies at the same time. The highest is 5 or 6 I think. Some of those requirements need "Strong", "Awful" and "Boss" rank enemies and those ranks are based on your CP relative to the enemies.
Generally speak, not all skills are equal when it comes to training requirements. When in doubt, consult a guildie or the wiki.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 12:33:46 pm
You will ALWAYS be short on AP, especially when you get into certain skills. Crash Shot is the most AP expensive skill in the game, and the Magic Talent is the most expensive - 3 bolt types, 3 intermediate magics, 3 elemental masteries, bolt mastery, magic mastery... Just a lot of skills to rank.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 12:39:04 pm
Hell, most of my puppet skills are rank 9 except for the AOE skills. Those are at least rank 5.
Also, the major milestones in ranks are the following: Rank 9, Rank 5 and Rank 1.
You will notice a big jump in improvements and AP requirement in those ranks.
Post by: intense on July 16, 2013, 01:31:42 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 01:40:18 pm
Why is magic considered very expensive? is it because of item cost or?You need wands or staves to use it effectively, and they repair VERY expensive. Plus tons of AP-expense and MP potions.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 01:40:50 pm
There's also the MP cost. If you buy your MP pots then it will cost you 12k-20k per stack of 100 MP pots.
If you make them yourself, you need to rank production, herbalism and potion making.
For the actual magic themselves, you have magic mastery for MP, bolt mastery, fire/lighting/ice bolts plus elemental mastery per element and fusion mastery.
Fusion is actually the best skill but it needs all the bolt spells at rank 1 to be effective. Then there's the quest for higher level magic.
Also mana shield. Its costs both your life and way of attacking. There's also meditation. Free MP but will eat at your wands if you leave it on all the time.
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 02:24:22 pm
I'm thinking of rebirthing Estus to do Warrior, just so I'll actually use Defense and get that ranked up some. But then it also means all my offense goes down the hole, since all my skills and equipment is used for Fighter...As we end up saying in Pathfinder every week to someone: Play what you want to, we'll make it work. Don't worry as much about playing to fit a role, as playing what you'll have fun with.
I do have fun with Fighter, but I also like heavy armor and swords. And defense is good to have as well. Just as a Fighter with the Strike, Focus, Counter Punch, and Counterattack? Never a reason to throw up Defense to actually rank it up.
Also I think another reason magic is high AP is because it's REALLY strong once it gets going. Once you play as Mores in a RP dungeon, you'll understand.
I am pondering to make an Elf in preparation for Gunner. I know it's INT-based, but I'm tempted to make her a Warrior for now... I'm not sure though.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 02:29:51 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 02:33:12 pm
You can't compare to Mores. He can chaincast fireballs! That's like cheating.In a soon update, Instant Casting will let you instantly cast a single spell (including int magic) at no MP cost or charge-up time. It has a very long cooldown though.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 02:38:42 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 03:04:04 pm
You can't compare to Mores. He can chaincast fireballs! That's like cheating.
That's true, but on the other hand, even chaincasting Bolts is pretty darn powerful. Mages in Mabinogi are really squishy and weak to start out with. But if they stick with it... boy oh boy.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
In the late game, archers are actually handy for dealing with enemies that are heavy stander, mages just kind've hold stuff back and maybe chaincast firebolt, as the Magic attack formula drops off in higher levels (a soon to be update will hopefully be fixing this, the same one that adds instant casting), luckily most int magic does hold enemies in place for a little while, and close combat/fighters/lances kick face. Alchemists, due to how their damage scales are... basically useless. WITH THAT SAID!!!!!!!!!
The much talked about instant casting patch will also adjust a lot of alchemy skills to... actually scale. So when that happens not only will alchemy not be entirely useless late game, but a second type of cylinder, a battle cylinder, will come out. This bad boy is a shield and a cylinder at the same time, it gives magic defense and protection, and most importantly you can wield a sword and a cylinder at the same time. You can smash and flame burst without switching weapons. You can also dual wield cylinders to get super alchemy. That patch will also be removing all the specialty ammo from alchemists along with making a lot of their skills more useful. So yeah, that's something to look forward to. It'll be coming in.... September - October if we're lucky.
In three weeks guns will be coming out along with two new crafting skills on top of it. If you'd like to know more about any of these please let me know in game as I'm the guy that obsesses over future content constantly.
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 05:48:38 pm
And I prefer doing quirky/unusual builds usually (it seems even a Giant Warrior is pretty unusual)... I pondered to making Estus do it, but she has a LOT of AP in Fighter which would be totally useless in Gunner.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2013, 07:21:01 pm
And guns scale off strength and int, elves get the best dex, their only magic buff is that ice spear cost is lowered, I forget if their Int growth is higher. Technically the best gunner out of the gate would be giants but they also get greatly reduced int. Looks like it'd be fine for every race.
EDIT: Oh also, WE KILLED A YETI. The only notable thing that dropped was a snowfield L rod with bold on it, which gives some strength for stomp ranks. Given we have one active giant in the guild well yes. He was kind've a pushover, 4 people took him out, Don, Bariaus, Direzie, and Acolyte0. Guild field boss runs wooooooo (no I didn't think to get any pictures I'm sorry)
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 07:39:35 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 07:47:14 pm
I'll keep saying it, stop being so worried about AP, you can keep a secondary set of knuckles for when things get hairy, and once you get up to speed in close combat you can carry two sets of armor about.
And guns scale off strength and int, elves get the best dex, their only magic buff is that ice spear cost is lowered, I forget if their Int growth is higher. Technically the best gunner out of the gate would be giants but they also get greatly reduced int. Looks like it'd be fine for every race.
EDIT: Oh also, WE KILLED A YETI. The only notable thing that dropped was a snowfield L rod with bold on it, which gives some strength for stomp ranks. Given we have one active giant in the guild well yes. He was kind've a pushover, 4 people took him out, Don, Bariaus, Direzie, and Acolyte0. Guild field boss runs wooooooo (no I didn't think to get any pictures I'm sorry)
BUT WHEN WOULD I EVER NEED TO USE KNUCKLE IF I BANG BANG BANG EVERYONE FIRST D:
It's less being worried about AP and more I just don't want my character to be too... rounded. I like keeping them themed, and only giving them a limited pool of skills to actually work on
Until I R1 all of them or something and I have literally nothing else to do with it.
In my head, having like two combat skillsets is about the most I can see being a reasonable amount to learn. Maybe three. But by that point, you can't easily switch into it since you'd have to actually change weapon slots around I guess.
Post by: majikero on July 16, 2013, 07:50:28 pm
If those magic fists are actually a thing, you can keep your face punching and get magic.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2013, 08:12:59 pm
Also good to know on the elf int growth.
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 09:15:17 pm
Well themed character is okay I suppose, but yeah magic knuckles soon! Hopefully someone will be able to make a set for you!
Also good to know on the elf int growth.
I'm just not sure still. I don't really like playing to type TOO much, because then I feel really same-y. But to be honest, a lot of people will use Gunner at first...
I'm just not sure if I should make Estus into like a Fighter/Gunner, and then make my Elf into something else. I'm tempted to do Warrior anyway, because Elf Warrior is like terrible and can't use cool heavy armor at all. But they look so niiiiiiice.
Elves that is.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2013, 10:14:34 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 16, 2013, 11:02:51 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 16, 2013, 11:16:00 pm
As I'm training blacksmithing, if you take Human mainly I can pimp your gold plate mail.
Gold is so guady though. Who am, I Gilgamesh!? :P
Not to mention Fighter gets that hefty 40% damage penalty, down to 20%. Not a Giant alas. I DO have a Giant though. I just haven't got her into the Guild...
@Seriyu:
Yeah that's true, some of the Light Armor isn't bad. Though I really love Heavy armor usually.
Post by: intense on July 16, 2013, 11:55:55 pm
Asking because frankly i haven't seen an elf since i started
Post by: majikero on July 17, 2013, 12:01:38 am
The also make awesome fighters because of fast movement speed.
Post by: intense on July 17, 2013, 12:03:34 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 17, 2013, 12:11:56 am
Elves are better with bows. They can shoot 2 arrows per shot and have elf only quivers. They also have high int per level and lower mp cost in advance magics. There's also the elf hide ability, cost mp and drop aggro instantly.
The also make awesome fighters because of fast movement speed.
However, they also have the WORST Will of all the races, and that determines their damage.
The Elf Ranged Shot is a mixed bag as if you miss, it leaves you vulnerable longer then a Human Ranged Shot, because both arrows will miss. Elves also cannot dual wield, they can't use two-handed weapons, or axes I think? They cannot wear heavy armor or use lances.
From a Meta POV, Elves I think are considered the "worst", they have a lot of negatives and not as many generally useful positives aside from being really fast and having Hide. Giants are generally considered the "best" I think, and they make really stupidly good Fighters who can use Heavy Armor right away, with only a 20% initial penalty I think, that goes down to 0%. They can't use bows, and have crummy magic but...
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2013, 01:43:42 am
A few important things that elves can do: Auto-attack with regular ranged attack and keep many enemies at a distance. Magnum Revolver. Mirage Missile for DOT effect that can ignore many heavy armor types. Two arrows at once increases the knockback amount, which can keep enemies stunned and distracted for longer.
Humans are probably 'better' but when it comes down to it, the differences are smaller than your preferences. Mabinogi isn't a game built around min-maxing, and taking the race/class you think is fun is more important than picking 'the best'. I personally love elves, they're quick, hit hard with a decent bow, and that Hide option has saved countless dungeons that would have been wipes (looking at you, G-quest end chain dungeon with perma-aggro gargoyles!). I hate that they can't wield two-handers or dual-wield, it really detracts from any melee options, and it's a bit unfair that humans can wield all the same bows, but when it comes to ranged support, if your party is 2 or more, adding an elf will really help you face dungeons that should be beyond your level.
Post by: Seriyu on July 17, 2013, 01:59:47 am
Also, girlinhat, are you still up for doing that gold armor thing? I've got a manual I'd like you to use, was having don do it since I hadn't seen you in a while, but as far as I know he hasn't started it yet. Let me know if you're up for it!
I should probably rep for giants too.
Giants get absolutely AMAZING strength growth. Easily double that of humans. It allows them to put out rediculous damage, even with the technically inferior (to dual wielding) 2handers. When you get to the point you can go to black dragon you'll notice anyone that's killing raptors with any level of ease is a giant. They also get great Will growth, which is used for fighter skill damage. Their windmill range is a touch larger then the other races, since their hitbox is bigger. They can also equip normal two handed weapons with one hand. There are some giant two handers, but they're far and few between, and before you ask, yes, if you're using a two handed weapon with one hand it does get the smash bonuses. On top of all this they can equip a Lance with a shield, removing a lot of the fragility that plagues human lancers. Basically super melee damage all around. On exclusive skills they get windguard and taunt which is probably the easiest and best way to tank in this game, admittantly only for a minute or two at a time. Stomp is a handy skill, almost like a melee magic bolt with a much more limited range. Their ranged attack involves javelins and hits amazingly hard, but lacks flexibility. They can also use charge without a shield which is super handy. Annnd they tend to get better shields then other races.
However, their dex is very low, meaning you'll either have to ignore dex entirely and just focus on hitting hard without worrying about balance, or have a heavily balance leaning weapon, which can detract a bit. Additionally, they don't get a lot of intelligence, so magic attack is an issue. Intermediate magic also takes even more MP then usual to cast. They also don't have any way to drop aggro, which is an issue early on. As you progress you'll find this becomes less of an issue. Much less of an issue. They cannot use bows or crossbows AT ALL PERIOD which is a huge problem. Armor is also very limited, so aesthetics can suffer rather significantly. This was ultimately the reason I dropped my giant, because there were like four heavy armor,s and two were dungeon drops, and I like to switch things up.
So yeah, giants are great fun and a good option if you want to wreck shit, but it can be easy to get bored with them if you like aesthetics. They also tend to have issues with anything that has more then level 2 heavy stander, if you can't bash through it with melee, there is about nothing you can do with it. That sums up the class in general really.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 17, 2013, 04:50:31 am
From a Meta POV, Elves I think are considered the "worst", they have a lot of negatives and not as many generally useful positives aside from being really fast and having Hide. Giants are generally considered the "best" I think, and they make really stupidly good Fighters who can use Heavy Armor right away, with only a 20% initial penalty I think, that goes down to 0%. They can't use bows, and have crummy magic but...
It's humorous, because I hear people making the opposite argument all the time. :P
I personally couldn't adapt to either elves or giants, since I feel that either or is too limited for all the good stuff I'd like to do.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2013, 08:29:25 am
Post by: majikero on July 17, 2013, 09:00:45 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 17, 2013, 09:04:13 am
I don't really dislike humans, but from an aesthetic POV, I like elves and giants more. The face paintings the giants have I like, and I like the henwa of the elves. I'm just really torn on what I want to do for a future gunner now.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2013, 09:04:47 am
I've wanted to make a giant, equipped in hand-crafted red heavy armor, using Throwing Attack and named RED CANNON.
Post by: krisslanza on July 17, 2013, 09:07:27 am
Not to mention that Jousting Javelins get a MASSIVE +400 or something to min and max attack.
I've wanted to make a giant, equipped in hand-crafted red heavy armor, using Throwing Attack and named RED CANNON.
But if you make it in red, it has to go AT LEAST three times as fast!
Post by: Sonlirain on July 17, 2013, 09:08:45 am
Not to mention that Jousting Javelins get a MASSIVE +400 or something to min and max attack.
I've wanted to make a giant, equipped in hand-crafted red heavy armor, using Throwing Attack and named RED CANNON.
But if you make it in red, it has to go AT LEAST three times as fast!
Better paint it yellow/gold.
This should give them an explosive AoE attack.
Post by: Bakuryu on July 17, 2013, 09:57:24 am
Magnum Revolver.Summary of elves advantages here. :p
It's the main reason why their range is so powerful, end-game your dex will be ridiculously high be it human or elf, but elves will have that borked Magnum Shot, they barely use their regular attack.
Humans still have advantage on melee of course, but an elf will barely ever need to switch to melee (natural shield), and when he does have to, his melee ability should suffice, or use magic,alchemy,pupp,whatever on those cases.
But in the end, comparing races is just meh, play whatever you enjoy is how it always should be.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 17, 2013, 10:13:09 am
Should have made a human Sword'n'board guy with a venom sword.
I could also wear self made armor without 10 years of BS grinding BS.
Post by: krisslanza on July 17, 2013, 10:23:06 am
Well i'm still kinda sad that i took a giant.
Should have made a human Sword'n'board guy with a venom sword.
I could also wear self made armor without 10 years of BS grinding BS.
It would take so much Commercing to get a Venom Sword. That's like, what, a million Ducats?
Post by: Bakuryu on July 17, 2013, 10:28:50 am
Well i'm still kinda sad that i took a giant.
Why? o:
Giants melee is cray cray powerful, they can be just as good at magic as anyone else. And when gunner releases you'll have amazing range as well.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 17, 2013, 10:36:16 am
Well i'm still kinda sad that i took a giant.
Should have made a human Sword'n'board guy with a venom sword.
I could also wear self made armor without 10 years of BS grinding BS.
It would take so much Commercing to get a Venom Sword. That's like, what, a million Ducats?
Six
Why? o:
Giants melee is cray cray powerful, they can be just as good at magic as anyone else. And when gunner releases you'll have amazing range as well.
it's just that i think a human with a shield + 1h sword looks less stupid than a giant with a shield and 1h sword.
I just love how the venom sword looks but know that its junk for a giant since i can just grab a FAR better weapon for less ducats since giants have no problems with using a highlander claymore WITH a shield.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 17, 2013, 01:00:40 pm
I really wish elves could use some two-handers, because they have a really limited weapon pool...
Fun fact: Romeo's Rapier is considered a two-hander, and can be wielded by elves. All of the two-handed enchants work on it, and supposedly it receives the smash bonus as well.
One million duckies isn't that hard to come by- just aim for something like 50-100k ducats a day. With a wagon and/or elephant, it might take two hours or so!Well i'm still kinda sad that i took a giant.
Should have made a human Sword'n'board guy with a venom sword.
I could also wear self made armor without 10 years of BS grinding BS.
It would take so much Commercing to get a Venom Sword. That's like, what, a million Ducats?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 17, 2013, 01:51:41 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 17, 2013, 03:01:19 pm
This Sand Sculpture event seems interesting, I saw some swimwear in that prize list.
Post by: intense on July 17, 2013, 10:11:21 pm
all bolts
ice, fire, lightning mastery
ice spear
fusion bolt
fireball
thunder
magic mastery
Why i didnt go thunder, mainly because it adds too much cp from the start making things harder in the long run. Apply same reasoning to every other skill that seems misplaced :D
So what do you guys think?
Later edit: oh i think music should be squeezed there too, i just dont know where :D and so are other skills but excepting music i dont think they are a priority
Post by: Girlinhat on July 17, 2013, 10:16:04 pm
Firebolt r1
Icebolt rF
Ice Spear r1
Spend infinite money on repairing wands.
Seriously, firebolt and ice spear, or thunder. Firebolt is a 1-cast high damage spell that causes instant knockdown. Ice Spear and Thunder are both AOE magic that causes intense damage by stunning enemies for an extended time.
Then get Fireball rF so you can get Meteor when it arrives and just roflstomp the world.
Post by: etgfrog on July 17, 2013, 11:08:01 pm
Ah...thats right, its infinite money on repair if you keep meditation on while using it, meditation increase the rate of durability loss.
Post by: intense on July 17, 2013, 11:55:07 pm
Later edit: i understand how fusion bolt works now... that explains the reason. Very versatile little spell definately worth it
Post by: majikero on July 18, 2013, 12:00:38 am
Fusion bolt takes ALL the damage modifiers for bolts. Bolt strength of each bolt + Bolt Mastery + Elemental Mastery + Fusion Mastery
Those 3 bolts will be your bread and butter as a mage. Well mostly lightning and fire. You only need ice for fusion.
Post by: intense on July 18, 2013, 12:20:31 am
Post by: majikero on July 18, 2013, 12:24:50 am
Just don't attack with meditation on and you'll be fine.
Post by: Seriyu on July 18, 2013, 03:37:20 am
Also, I bring you dragon raid info!
Spoiler: Drops and such here (click to show/hide)
Rumor has it there's a ranged role in the white dragon fight, sniper! I have no idea if this is true. Hopefully it is!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 18, 2013, 04:16:48 am
Commerce may take a while to work up to the point of self-sufficiency, but once you get yourself a wagon along with an extra 50k ducats for future expenses, you're practically set- a much lower than what you might face when budgeting yourself gold, frankly. Not only does the expense in funny-money mitigate the drain on gold (which can be put to many a better use), but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :P
P.S.
Krisslanza,
If you're worried about looking cliche as an elven gunner, why not invest in a gamyu Robe to help you stand out? ;D
Post by: Skyrunner on July 18, 2013, 04:18:03 am
How to Win Magic:Better list:
Firebolt r1
Icebolt rF
Ice Spear r1
Spend infinite money on repairing wands.
Seriously, firebolt and ice spear, or thunder. Firebolt is a 1-cast high damage spell that causes instant knockdown. Ice Spear and Thunder are both AOE magic that causes intense damage by stunning enemies for an extended time.
Then get Fireball rF so you can get Meteor when it arrives and just roflstomp the world.
How to win magic:
Ice Spear r1
Spend infinite money on repairing wands.
Spend infinite money on getting potions to fuel your arcane trickery.
Reason: Ice Spear beats every single other spell hands down for all the things except maybe damage and knockdown against Mana Reflector r3 monsters.
Though you still want to pick up the bolt spells for their passive stat increases, and for using against random mobs :D
Post by: krisslanza on July 18, 2013, 08:22:16 am
No one hear seems to have considered the super-cheap, equally combat-efficient alternative: Fomor Wands!
Commerce may take a while to work up to the point of self-sufficiency, but once you get yourself a wagon along with an extra 50k ducats for future expenses, you're practically set- a much lower than what you might face when budgeting yourself gold, frankly. Not only does the expense in funny-money mitigate the drain on gold (which can be put to many a better use), but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :P
P.S.
Krisslanza,
If you're worried about looking cliche as an elven gunner, why not invest in a gamyu Robe to help you stand out? ;D
The Armored Wizard one? I have a few of those. They do look kinda spiffy. Or do you mean something else?
And how does a robe make the role seem less cliche!? :P
Post by: Girlinhat on July 18, 2013, 08:24:11 am
but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :PThe inventory bags only need Inventory Plus, and a few months ago they made Inv+ free for everyone, so anyone can use them! And everyone should use them!
In particular, the potion bag is incredibly useful. Anyone into blacksmithing (ie, everyone in B12) will appreciate an ore bag. Firewood bags are also pretty damned useful for everyone - campfires are supremely underrated in general!
Post by: krisslanza on July 18, 2013, 08:29:06 am
but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :PThe inventory bags only need Inventory Plus, and a few months ago they made Inv+ free for everyone, so anyone can use them! And everyone should use them!
In particular, the potion bag is incredibly useful. Anyone into blacksmithing (ie, everyone in B12) will appreciate an ore bag. Firewood bags are also pretty damned useful for everyone - campfires are supremely underrated in general!
Really all of them are worth it. They will save you a TON of bag space. They take up a 2x2 area but yield a lot more room in return. The Ore bag immediately pays itself off, given a single ore takes up a 2x2 area.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 18, 2013, 08:38:02 am
Just be careful of certain quirks. Like you can't put a merchant licence in any bag, and when handling spirit weapons you need them in your primary inventory.but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :PThe inventory bags only need Inventory Plus, and a few months ago they made Inv+ free for everyone, so anyone can use them! And everyone should use them!
In particular, the potion bag is incredibly useful. Anyone into blacksmithing (ie, everyone in B12) will appreciate an ore bag. Firewood bags are also pretty damned useful for everyone - campfires are supremely underrated in general!
Really all of them are worth it. They will save you a TON of bag space. They take up a 2x2 area but yield a lot more room in return. The Ore bag immediately pays itself off, given a single ore takes up a 2x2 area.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 18, 2013, 02:24:22 pm
But, yeah, Fomor Wands. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 19, 2013, 10:43:35 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 20, 2013, 12:14:41 am
So more white dragon info. His minions are Blade wyverns. What's so special about them? Unless they are attacking someone, they cannot be damaged without bow skills. So for all you prospective dragon hunters out there, either stick to old black dragon or get learning that bow. You'll need it! White dragon confirmed for archer dragon.Sorry what? Archery where?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2013, 12:47:28 am
Looks like roles might not be related to skill ranks, seeing as I visited the White Dragon and got... Sniper Squad. I mean, my ranged skills are totally higher than rF right?...... right?
But it's not just Blade Wyverns. The white dragon also has snowfield slayers which are like Korsek Raptors but not dragon-shaped. Instead of stomping, they'll lift their axes/swords for a couple seconds, then sweep in a half-circle in front of them and get their weapon stuck in the ground for another couple seconds (during which they can't be knocked back, so smash them then). Basically it's like the raptor stomp but does 100 damage instead of 55.
Also, the Russian blue cats are pretty good for inventory purposes.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 20, 2013, 01:11:17 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2013, 04:32:27 am
From now on I think we'll be setting up with one set of people to attack black dragon, and one to attack white, as the times for both of them are either close together or directly on top of each other and the parts of both of them will be useful.
As always I will squeal and holler whenever the dragons are up. (Also sonli I got that ore transmuted for you, just a heads up, I've been gone a couple of days and didn't know when you sent it)
Post by: alexwazer on July 20, 2013, 10:53:23 am
That being said, there was an update late last night and Nexon mentioned maintenance from their ISP leading to potential connectivity issues. So maybe it wasn't the dragon messing with the fabric of reality, but simply issues on the ISP side. I still prefer to blame the dragon because it gives an excuse to try and kill it. I'll be going back today to see if lag is any better.
On a mostly related note, the wiki has a nice chart for raid times (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Category:Iria_Raid). We might want to look into other raids that we could join, like sandworm, desert dragon or whatever if there is enough people going on a regular basis on channel 1.
Edit: Another thing, on a completely unrelated note. I just noticed something in the Nexon announcements: The Saga: Final Reward – Battle Pegasus Whistle (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00GyP). If you know what's good for you, you know that you want this. So anyone who's been slacking with G18 should start looking into it.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 20, 2013, 12:45:59 pm
But will this reward be a constantly available (though presumably rare) drop, or is it something that is going once, going twice, gone..?
Post by: alexwazer on July 20, 2013, 12:57:47 pm
I'm not 100% sure either way, but this make doing G18 even more interesting than it was.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2013, 01:13:47 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 20, 2013, 02:18:10 pm
No one hear seems to have considered the super-cheap, equally combat-efficient alternative: Fomor Wands!
Commerce may take a while to work up to the point of self-sufficiency, but once you get yourself a wagon along with an extra 50k ducats for future expenses, you're practically set- a much lower than what you might face when budgeting yourself gold, frankly. Not only does the expense in funny-money mitigate the drain on gold (which can be put to many a better use), but it comes out of a pool of currency that is relatively useless, barring a few practical accessories for VIP subscribers, the occasional novelty, and a couple of priceless long-term acquisitions if you are completely insane. :P
P.S.
Krisslanza,
If you're worried about looking cliche as an elven gunner, why not invest in a gamyu Robe to help you stand out? ;D
The Armored Wizard one? I have a few of those. They do look kinda spiffy. Or do you mean something else?
And how does a robe make the role seem less cliche!? :P
It does not. I was being sarcastic. :-\
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2013, 02:57:01 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 20, 2013, 03:54:28 pm
Correction on white dragon times: according to the Nexon Announcement™ the white dragon is at the exact same time as the black one.That was a bad idea that will only result in neither of them getting killed.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2013, 04:10:02 pm
On the bright side, the white dragon has reportedly less than half as much HP as the black one (2 mil vs 5 mil). So it should be easier to take the white one out if you don't mind getting mauled by blade wyverns.
Post by: majikero on July 20, 2013, 04:54:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2013, 04:58:02 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on July 20, 2013, 05:08:36 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2013, 09:40:05 pm
ALSO THE SCIENCE EXPERIMENT OF THE CENTURY, ME AND DIR WILL BE, IN HALF AN HOUR, COMPETING TO SEE WHO CAN MAKE THE MOST MONEY/EXP VIA SPAMMING OUR PREFERRED METHODS
I WILL BE RUNNING SHADOW MISSIONS AND HE WILL BE RUNNING COMMERCE
Show up with pennants or something :D
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2013, 11:09:05 pm
With that said COMMERCE OP PLZ NERF
(if someone would like to set up a more scientific experiment on this matter please feel free I would be happy to do the shadow mission runs)
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2013, 11:12:34 pm
...and paid dearly for it. (also he is being bitter)
Code: (The Results) [Select]
Shadow missions made: 290459.25 exp 7786 gold
Commerce made: 715833.00 exp 68105 goldI can already feel Ibid smiling down on me from wherever he is.I can also feel that I am right and Bar is wrong and that he is foolish for even starting this argument. Ha!
Post by: krisslanza on July 21, 2013, 01:32:16 am
Also a Shadow Mission might make more in a group, doing Elite or Lord. With a Shadow Crystal. (The Letters of Guarantee...)
And also, what was Dir trading? Because another thing is only really powerful players can solo Master-level Bandits. Otherwise you'll hit a kind of "softcap" by yourself, because bandits have a nasty habit of spawning right in front of you/under you sometimes...
Post by: Girlinhat on July 21, 2013, 01:46:28 am
My reward was a demonic scale fragment, gold, exp, and a weeding hoe.
Just a weeding hoe. No enchants, no reforge, no special color. Just... a weeding hoe.
Post by: Seriyu on July 21, 2013, 02:04:17 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 21, 2013, 09:55:35 am
And yet I kept trying it. Maybe... Maybe this time....
Post by: krisslanza on July 21, 2013, 10:07:01 am
Look dragons horde things whether or not they're of particular value. :P
Clearly the Weeding Hoe belong to a great and powerful ruler at one point.
Post by: alexwazer on July 21, 2013, 12:19:50 pm
For the record, he started the whole thing...
...and paid dearly for it. (also he is being bitter)Code: (The Results) [Select]Shadow missions made: 290459.25 exp 7786 goldI can already feel Ibid smiling down on me from wherever he is.
Commerce made: 715833.00 exp 68105 gold
I can also feel that I am right and Bar is wrong and that he is foolish for even starting this argument. Ha!
I must say, I was quite surprised by these results. I already said in chat that I was expecting Bar to be right, but even after conceding his point about bad mission choice and advanced difficulty instead of hard (elite isn't easily repeatable, so that's out), I simply wasn't expecting that much from commerce. That's probably because when I do commerce, I don't watch time to know if it's been 20 minutes or an hour since I started; and 20 minutes of commerce always feel like an hour to me.
Guess I'll have to spend a bit more time doing commerce now :P
On the subject of dragon, it's worth mentioning that yesterday, the swarm of people ended up, eventually, on channel 5 and managed to kill whity there as well. I suspect they also killed another one or two on channel 2-4 since it took them a while to end up on 5 after killing the one from channel 1. So, multiple white dragon in a day is a possibility. You also get a demonic piece of material whenever you hit 1000+ contribution. So it isn't just an alternative source of material, it also makes any previous source meaningless. I'm quite fine with that :P
@ Kaitol
You should join the guild as soon as possible if you want to give Mabi another go. We are not very active, but there's a few of us showing up every now and then and we are generally willing to spend more time if we have any reason to (like to help someone or whatever). Mabi isn't the typical MMO, there is no clear linear progression. As such, setting your own goals will be essential to really enjoy the game. At least until you get to know other people better. Just spending time doing whatever with them could be enough for you after that.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 21, 2013, 02:59:22 pm
And also, what was Dir trading? Because another thing is only really powerful players can solo Master-level Bandits. Otherwise you'll hit a kind of "softcap" by yourself, because bandits have a nasty habit of spawning right in front of you/under you sometimes...Topaz and Palala crystals on an elephant. Those are apparently only good enough to spawn Veterans. I got jumped twice and lost 16 crystals at one point (darn bosses), but it wasn't a really major hit.
There are other issues like getting to the elephant, but there are also issues getting to Senior and Expert talent levels to get into advanced and hard missions. Plus this was ignoring any side items he might have found, but for the purposes of this (finding out which gives the most gold/exp in an hour) commerce wins.
Post by: alexwazer on July 21, 2013, 03:55:19 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 21, 2013, 09:08:06 pm
Post by: Kaitol on July 21, 2013, 10:02:51 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 21, 2013, 10:19:19 pm
For the record, he started the whole thing...
...and paid dearly for it. (also he is being bitter)Code: (The Results) [Select]Shadow missions made: 290459.25 exp 7786 goldI can already feel Ibid smiling down on me from wherever he is.
Commerce made: 715833.00 exp 68105 gold
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHdvQWnuLL5G1DmiyOIhKMamFq5R01e3CpLxc52wK0imK2rgpK)
Post by: Skyrunner on July 21, 2013, 10:53:16 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 22, 2013, 12:47:26 am
Give me the darn swimsuit. It's the only thing I want from this event!
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2013, 08:24:13 am
Man I have done, like, 5 sand sculptures. NOTHING BUT GEMS.I got a swim trunks.
Give me the darn swimsuit. It's the only thing I want from this event!
I'm a female elf.
They were untradeable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2013, 04:59:49 pm
Caved and reinstalled the game. Did some starting missions and applied to the guild. Made an elf archer to try something different. Still readjusting to the combat. Still have to find my groove, flailing around a bit too much.
If there's anything you're having particular issue with please feel free to check the giant guide mass at the bottom of the OP (note to self, I still need to condense that thing and rewrite it, maybe I'll do it after this) to see if any of them apply. If not, asking the thread/guild chat is usually a safe bet.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2013, 05:05:43 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2013, 05:20:51 pm
EDIT: DID ANYONE HERE APPLY UNDER THE NAME ISATH? If so post so I know.
Post by: Kaitol on July 22, 2013, 06:08:47 pm
Still struggling my way through things. Ran the main quest up till the Paradise barri dungeon. Than tried a little commerce. Ran a dungeon or two and picked up a couple craft skills to try and make bandages and arrows.
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2013, 06:11:10 pm
Repeating what I edited in above, Did anyone apply under the name Isath? Just saying this a few times so people see it.
EDIT: The internet has decided I'm done for the day, Aco, I don't need that wood board so do whatever you want with it.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2013, 11:15:36 pm
When you turn a weapon into an Ego, it reverts to BASE STATS OF THE WEAPON! If you ego an r1 crafted or a store-bought common, the ego will be identical.
Save your good weapons for regular upgrades. Donryu.
Post by: krisslanza on July 22, 2013, 11:26:59 pm
IMPORTANT!
When you turn a weapon into an Ego, it reverts to BASE STATS OF THE WEAPON! If you ego an r1 crafted or a store-bought common, the ego will be identical.
Save your good weapons for regular upgrades. Donryu.
It's less that and more that Ego Weapons have their own base stat, which is irrelevant when compared to the weapon they actually inhabit.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 22, 2013, 11:34:16 pm
Post by: Kaitol on July 22, 2013, 11:36:15 pm
I've tried using counter, but it doesn't give you enough time to charge a proper shot. Defend is worse. I have a few ideas to overcome this, hopefully, and someone also suggested grabbing some basic magicbolts just to keep stuff back. But still, it's a rough hump to get over.
Post by: krisslanza on July 22, 2013, 11:37:00 pm
Don's got an r1 Smith rS Reforge 3 Highlander Claymore. It'd be stripped of all these stats if it were made spirit, only the reforge would remain.
Yeah, because a "Ego Weapon" is it's own weapon. When you turn a weapon into an Ego Weapon, it becomes that Ego Weapon, which doesn't have its stats modified by the base weapon since it's... changing weapons entirely.
This makes total sense in my head.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 12:01:25 am
The problem I'm having with archery is at low levels aiming takes so long and enemies move quite fast, and the larger ones have deceptive range, so you either roll the dice with low odds shots, or stop combat and run away long enough to hide. Anything that takes more than a magnum and a quick normal shot has a decent chance of wrecking me if it can get past my kiting with 50% aim shots.Magnum Revolver.
I've tried using counter, but it doesn't give you enough time to charge a proper shot. Defend is worse. I have a few ideas to overcome this, hopefully, and someone also suggested grabbing some basic magicbolts just to keep stuff back. But still, it's a rough hump to get over.
Use magnum repeatedly, every time. Load magnum, fire, and load again. The knockdown animation is usually so long you can load and aim, and 90% of time the enemy will hesitate slightly as they load a skill or decide how to attack you, and you can reach 90% aim in the time it takes them to get right next to you. Archery is a deceptively close-range combat skill!
If you're inexperienced, stick with shortbows, specifically the Elven Shortbow which I can produce with slightly better stats. Shortbows have a much faster aim time than longbows, though a shorter range, and the Elven Shortbow can be upgraded for range comparable to a longbow. This helps aim time for regular fire, and for Magnum seems to let you load the skill faster, allowing highly efficient Magnum Revolver, as you can easily fire and begin loading the skill again before the animation has fully ended.
When handling ranged combat, the skills you want are Magnum, Bow Mastery, Ranged Combat, and Critical Hit, roughly in order of importance. Bow and Ranged both add flat damage boosts, which are multiplied when Magnum is used, so they do improve your Magnum damage by degrees. While Ranged does increase aim speed, it doesn't seem to change Magnum's aim speed, which is why shortbows are so powerful, having faster aim AND load times.
Post by: alexwazer on July 23, 2013, 12:20:52 am
I've tried using counter, but it doesn't give you enough time to charge a proper shot. Defend is worse. I have a few ideas to overcome this, hopefully, and someone also suggested grabbing some basic magicbolts just to keep stuff back. But still, it's a rough hump to get over.
I suggested it. The reason is that bows have a delay after counter which makes you waste precious time. Bolt can be charged right after counter (during the animation even), allowing you to slow the enemy or, if you use firebolt, push it back further. And bows can be loaded right after a bolt, without the delay it has with counter. Mabinogi got a lot of things like that where some skill chain together better than others. It's much more efficient than just counter followed by archery.
On the subject of that HLC, I'm still debating. The main reason why I considering using a high grade weapon for ego is that the main bonus provided don't matter all that much. The +2 min/max damage are mostly irrelevant. The max durability isn't really an issue either since you don't constantly use my HLC and when I do, it's usually to smash/defence/smash/repeat which doesn't lower durability all that much. The extra balance is also irrelevant, even when the change to balance comes up, since I'll still have capped balance. So, only the critical rate bonus really makes a difference, but that's only 5% increase.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 05:09:08 am
The problem I'm having with archery is at low levels aiming takes so long and enemies move quite fast, and the larger ones have deceptive range, so you either roll the dice with low odds shots, or stop combat and run away long enough to hide. Anything that takes more than a magnum and a quick normal shot has a decent chance of wrecking me if it can get past my kiting with 50% aim shots.Magnum Revolver.
I've tried using counter, but it doesn't give you enough time to charge a proper shot. Defend is worse. I have a few ideas to overcome this, hopefully, and someone also suggested grabbing some basic magicbolts just to keep stuff back. But still, it's a rough hump to get over.
Use magnum repeatedly, every time. Load magnum, fire, and load again. The knockdown animation is usually so long you can load and aim, and 90% of time the enemy will hesitate slightly as they load a skill or decide how to attack you, and you can reach 90% aim in the time it takes them to get right next to you. Archery is a deceptively close-range combat skill!
If you're inexperienced, stick with shortbows, specifically the Elven Shortbow which I can produce with slightly better stats. Shortbows have a much faster aim time than longbows, though a shorter range, and the Elven Shortbow can be upgraded for range comparable to a longbow. This helps aim time for regular fire, and for Magnum seems to let you load the skill faster, allowing highly efficient Magnum Revolver, as you can easily fire and begin loading the skill again before the animation has fully ended.
When handling ranged combat, the skills you want are Magnum, Bow Mastery, Ranged Combat, and Critical Hit, roughly in order of importance. Bow and Ranged both add flat damage boosts, which are multiplied when Magnum is used, so they do improve your Magnum damage by degrees. While Ranged does increase aim speed, it doesn't seem to change Magnum's aim speed, which is why shortbows are so powerful, having faster aim AND load times.
As someone that's been doing a bit of archery on the side, as you rank up ranged combat it will eventually aim fast enough (at least with a shortbow) to get some extra damage in after they get KBed from your magnum, before your next magnum if you're fairly close, so it's not to say it's useless. But your main skill is definitely magnum, at least in solo situations. Also the counter -> Load firebolt -> continue magnum is very good advice (You'll see it referred to as fire counter in various wiki guides if you ever come across the term).
If you're a human archer, Arrow Revolver is strictly superior to ranged combat (although it's still worth ranking for the general damage boosts, as bows are rather low on damage in general).
And after all this, while I wouldn't put ranks into melee skills yet or anything, having a dagger and round shield around (if you're an elf) or two daggers (if you're a human) for melee combat if things get hairy is never a bad idea. Of course melee is it's own can of worms, but we can help out there too.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 06:41:35 am
On the subject of that HLC, I'm still debating. The main reason why I considering using a high grade weapon for ego is that the main bonus provided don't matter all that much. The +2 min/max damage are mostly irrelevant. The max durability isn't really an issue either since you don't constantly use my HLC and when I do, it's usually to smash/defence/smash/repeat which doesn't lower durability all that much. The extra balance is also irrelevant, even when the change to balance comes up, since I'll still have capped balance. So, only the critical rate bonus really makes a difference, but that's only 5% increase.If you make it an ego, that critical bonus disappears. Ego weapons have their own set of stats, any bonuses provided by crafted or enchanted weapons are LOST. You're better off using a base stats weapon as your ego.
Post by: alexwazer on July 23, 2013, 07:18:20 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 23, 2013, 07:22:10 am
Is that OK? o_O
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 07:35:20 am
Still, for the durability of an ego (feed it well and it'll have very nice dura) and the low-drain use of windmill and smash, you can get a LOT of damage output for not much cost. And if you're using that ego to run Hard Daily Shadow Missions, then it'll pay for itself EASY.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 23, 2013, 10:28:20 am
Especially on high end weapons like HLC.
Think of these: one, mabinogi hasn't been paying attention to balance that much. Two, ego weapons were released at least five years ago, waaaaay back in G1. Three, an ego weapon matches the performance of a fully upgraded normal weapon, but special upgrades surpass it. Four, ego weapons cost money just by keeping it in the open, and repairing one needs a 100 proficiency HLC. >_>
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2013, 10:47:25 am
Post by: Sonlirain on July 23, 2013, 11:01:38 am
Post by: krisslanza on July 23, 2013, 01:12:43 pm
Consensus in Korea seems to be that overall ego weapons aren't worth it, what with all the fancy new balance-breaking swords and special upgrades released and the fact that they suck money up like a starved cookie monster, though.
Especially on high end weapons like HLC.
Think of these: one, mabinogi hasn't been paying attention to balance that much. Two, ego weapons were released at least five years ago, waaaaay back in G1. Three, an ego weapon matches the performance of a fully upgraded normal weapon, but special upgrades surpass it. Four, ego weapons cost money just by keeping it in the open, and repairing one needs a 100 proficiency HLC. >_>
Yeah Ego Weapons probably need an update by this point, given they've made normal weapons much more powerful lately.
But you forgot a perk: Ego weapons give you someone to talk to on those long, lonely nights!
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 03:40:15 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 04:49:12 pm
Also yeah, ego 2 handers get something like 60 dura, and that was a generic low statted claymore. IF you're gonna pick a rare weapon to use for an ego, a 2hander is the best option.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 23, 2013, 05:06:19 pm
If you let your durability down to 1/60 you're probably going to need 3 100 prof weapons to fix it...
At least that's what i think with my limited experience on the matter (repaired a spirit weapon only once).
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 05:33:51 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 23, 2013, 06:00:38 pm
On the subject of their power, ego weapons still have, even with special upgrades, fomor and demonic weapons, the highest potential. An ego will be better than a fully upgraded weapon, excluding special upgrades, in the high 20s or low 30s levels and easily surpass even fully special upgraded weapons at higher level, unless you go for the red upgrade stones... but those are always inferior to blue with a 2 hander since the extra damage they get from blue will always give better results with crits than even the red upgrade does (not paying attention to balance you said? :P). That is on top of other bonus you can't find from normal/special upgrades; like injury rate, higher balance/crit without any reduction to damage or anything and spirit weapon awakening skill.
The cost and time to get an ego to such a level are the only real issue and pretty much the only reason I still haven't made a decision. Repair costs aren't a huge issue if you don't rely too much on the weapon.
On another note, yesterday was a pretty productive day in term of dragon hunting. I was able to take part in the killing of 3 white dragon on channel 1, 2 and 5; earning about 5k, 3k and 6k contribution respectively. Each of those also gave a single demonic piece plus some random junk, including a rather colorful wizard suit for woman that was thrown Laur's way. Apparently, white dragon is of neutral element, which is what lead to the current consideration into turning my HLC into an ego as it has a level 2 ice reforge granting about 20% extra damage against anything not of the ice element.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 23, 2013, 06:21:55 pm
Mabinogi decided to delete itself for some odd reason.
The mabi folder in my steam directory is 14 MB large and i cant find the exe file anywhere.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 06:38:25 pm
And I'm afraid I'm not sure what the issue is there Solinran, you might look it up on the steam forums. Honestly Nexon seems to bomb steam pretty hard most of the time.
Also I bring you info on guns, some interesting stuff in there... (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1582)
Highlights:
Normal attacks do not stun (barely, they flinch a little bit, nothing meaningful)
They attack super fast, 4 attacks or so before the enemy reaches you
Normal attacks fire two shots per attack like elf ranged combat shot
No aim timer
(A correction here, you do actually need bullets to reload, that was a recent change I believe, don't quote me on this)
technically 2 handed
They have a couple of AoE attacks that aren't an "AoE emitting from the center of (x)"
Range is initially a little shorter then a crossbow, but you can bump that up by 200 with upgrades at least
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 07:01:14 pm
Also, with this comes two crafting skills. "Ancient giant" crafting for steampunk pistols, swords, and mining drill (!), as well as "magic crafting" for a few strange wands and staves. In particular, the Hermit Staff acts as an omni-wand, allowing you to cast any intermediate magic without building up charge first.
I'll be powering some magic-craft immediately to get some. Those staves are likely to be the most expensive commodity on the market for a long time.
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 07:09:43 pm
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2013, 07:15:46 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 23, 2013, 07:27:12 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 23, 2013, 10:09:35 pm
On elemental reforges, I believe there was a list of monsters that aren't going to be affected by them. It's mostly lord mission and G18 mobs but the two dragons were on there so if you wanted to use the ice on the white dragon for the extra damage, it wouldn't be affected. You might be able to find it at mabination and I'll try and find it when I get home.
Found it and I was pretty excited to know that otter are immune to elemental damage :P
I was hoping to use it on the dragon, but not exclusively, so the idea remains. It also have level 5 windmill damage, so that's an extra 15%. I love some windmill. Also, as I mentioned to a few people in-game, I got another HLC with the same stats. So this clears up the dilemma for me. One will be egoed, the other will be upgraded normally and eventually replace my current one.
Finally, just pointing out that commerce partner are back in the shop. If you do any commerce, don't already have one and don't mind spending some money in the game, this is really worth it. They are really really useful, for commerce but even out of it. Also, some doll boxes, but no one plays with dolls around here, right?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 23, 2013, 10:29:41 pm
Yeah, looking at wooden stick ego, it even eventually gets above Demonic death knight sword, and it's one of the weakest egos.
Therein, I think, is the true nature of the Ego- not as a key subject of Freudian analysis, nor just a pretty high-tier weapon substitute- but rather, a nascent God of a weapon that depends on a truly Korean amount of dedication to it's development!
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2013, 10:55:39 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 23, 2013, 11:12:08 pm
On other news, commerce partner is back and the is new doll bags. The best bag is the succubus which gives a ton of stats and 7x7 bag space.
Do I wish to fill my inventory with MORE dolls?
...
Yes. Probably.
Do I want a 2nd Commerce loli? That I do not know.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 23, 2013, 11:12:50 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 23, 2013, 11:13:05 pm
Thank you in advance!
Post by: majikero on July 23, 2013, 11:17:47 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 23, 2013, 11:30:12 pm
You should get ME a commerce loli.
Well what's in it for me!?
Also protip on bags:
You can't put them in VIP.
My inventory can literally only HOLD one more bag so now I need to hunt for that Succubus one...
And actually this means I can't get any of the 'special' bags from Commercing, because you can't put THOSE in VIP either! The hell!?
Post by: Kaitol on July 24, 2013, 12:01:39 am
Ah well, try again tomorrow.
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2013, 12:38:08 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 24, 2013, 05:41:13 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2013, 07:06:54 am
Dolls! Wait, what sort of dolls..? What do they do? ;oThey're item bags, so you can store junk in them, each bag being 2x3 and filling various sizes (some are barely larger than their bag size). Additionally each can be summoned as a 'minipet' type of creature that can fight and everything. You can summon multiples at once too, and depending on which you summon they might buff each other and yourself. They're kind of adorable, too.
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 09:04:33 am
Then you realize you can't put them inside other bags, or inside your VIP tab and... yeah. I really want that Succubus Doll though.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2013, 09:06:14 am
Keep in mind that all bags can only go into your "normal" inventory. And you can only quick use potions from there as well, and feathers, I think. Each bag is 2x3, and they'll eat up your limited inventory space in a hurry.You 100% can use potions from the commerce Recovery Potion Bag though. Hotkey consuming does draw from that bag, but generally not from any other bag.
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 10:22:38 am
Useful to know. Except that with all 4 Vocaloid bags, a shop bag, the equipment bag, and a herb bag... I can fit like... 3 more 2x3 bags, with a single row left over.Keep in mind that all bags can only go into your "normal" inventory. And you can only quick use potions from there as well, and feathers, I think. Each bag is 2x3, and they'll eat up your limited inventory space in a hurry.You 100% can use potions from the commerce Recovery Potion Bag though. Hotkey consuming does draw from that bag, but generally not from any other bag.
...
I maybe need to just only get the Succubus Bag and ignore the rest, because I have very, VERY little bag space...
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2013, 10:31:57 am
Post by: majikero on July 24, 2013, 10:45:39 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 24, 2013, 02:22:35 pm
C-can these dolls be stored in infinite pets? :D
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2013, 02:30:37 pm
O.OThey're bags, so no they cannot.
C-can these dolls be stored in infinite pets? :D
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 04:46:33 pm
I think you have bigger issues and need to confront your hoarding instincts.
BUT WHAT IF I NEED THAT ITEM LATER.
All my pets and partners have nearly full inventories because of clothes, things from gachas, arrows... my entire bank is nothing but Elite Passes.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 24, 2013, 04:48:08 pm
Think of how much raw gold you could sell that stuff for!
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 06:03:14 pm
It's time for an intervention.
Think of how much raw gold you could sell that stuff for!
The Elite Passes cannot be sold or traded sadly. I need to use them up, but I can't do Elites.
BUT I MIGHT WANT THE GEEAAAAR!
I did manage to sell some of the 2nd titles I had laying around though, so I made a SMALL dent in it...
For Commerce Partners, can someone do another Commerce quest on another character, or is it like one per partner per account per day or what? I'm pondering getting a 2nd while they're still available...
Post by: alexwazer on July 24, 2013, 08:31:09 pm
I've done another run of Saga's EP4 tonight. I recorded a few low quality videos (my computer can only handle so much) of that.
The first one (http://youtu.be/WY0FO2hPDkE) involves clearing up the 2 unknown men and blade wyvern. It shall be called "I heard you love Final Hit. Let's Final Hit and see who gets the final hit". This video also proves that the AI is a cheating bastard... notice how I am flinching while using Final Hit.
The second video (http://youtu.be/3E1O9M55ECU) is a choreography of death and fury, until lag started getting too bad.
Finally, a short one (http://youtu.be/bJRCj2d4ubU) where a common friend of SirAaronIII and me shows up.
The rest of the battle was spent throwing a smash here and there and shooting a crash shot in the middle of enemy swarm.
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 10:29:28 pm
But when looking into it, it appears at an anime expo about a week ago, for the Korean version, they announced that everyone gets a weekly rebirth. For free. Unlike Japan which has a free rebirth every 3 weeks, and then our system of a free rebirth at 20.
Related to this announcement is all cards would be removed except Basic and Zero cards. So the removal of Memorial cards perhaps suggests this change in the future, or maybe someone at US Nexon messed something up.
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2013, 10:46:17 pm
So with heruin engineering and magic crafting coming around the bend we'll need parts to make fancy things. the dragon armors need a ton of blood, scales, claws, and bones (not bone fragments, bones come from combining 2 fragments). Weapons need hearts and blood. This applies to the pair of the crafting skills. The armors and weapons also need specific armors (bhafel armor needs the plate armor set for instance), and weapons (bhafel slayer needs a 2h sword etc). They also need an entire hodgepodge of stuff from their respective crafting skills.
Good news, guns do not require dragon parts. ANy of them. So you gunners will have your guns sooner or later with little difficulty.
To end this with, the crafting lists are now formatted and like readable now. So here.
Engineering (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Hillwen_Engineering_List)
Magic Craft (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Magic_Craft_List)
Notable crafts are...
-A lance that freezes enemies when hitting them
-Knuckles that freeze enemies when hitting them
-Bhafel armor set with assault slash enhancement
-A 2handed sword that has innate piercing
-Infiniarrow bow with innate piercing
-White dragon armor set with attack speed enhancement
-"savage" wands which are apparently wands that are not terrible melee weapons
-A staff that doesn't need to be charged up to shoot int magic (IE a better wand that can cast adv magic)
-New accessories that don't just raise def and prot. One gives you 10 in every stat which is great. I forget which one does that. I think the other revives you once? I could be wrong.
So yeah. WEEK AND A HALF LEFT
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 10:52:17 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2013, 10:58:26 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 11:01:10 pm
They are not. They'll be coming out in the patch after the saga EP patch I believe, along with the huge rebalencing.
So basically, I have to take the beating and start with a level 1 elf without anything special, and go through URGH NEWBIE QUESTS.
Post by: Seriyu on July 24, 2013, 11:14:20 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 24, 2013, 11:16:42 pm
Precisely. :P
Darn. I should've bought a Destiny card months ago in preparation... now I have to be a level 1 NOBODY! And be guild-less for a bit.
The worst part will be doing Commerce with a Backpack again though.
Post by: Kaitol on July 25, 2013, 12:11:24 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 25, 2013, 01:10:44 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2013, 01:58:28 am
I can however make you a freezy lance. Once I hit rank 3. :P
EDIT: Seriously though that staff is gonna change the face of magic forever.
EDIT2: Oh, Kaitol, Magic is by no means useless but you'll either need people to hold stuff down for later magic (IE not bolts) or you'll need to use it as a "big gun" because wands are very expensive to repair and mana regen is one of the more restrictive regenerations in the game (for good reason, chaincast firebolt will wreck so much shit). Note that while elves are by no means meant for melee, they can still hold their own if they know what they're doing. Just don't expect to be a huge bruiser in melee combat and you'll be fine.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 25, 2013, 09:16:26 am
Note that while elves are by no means meant for melee, they can still hold their own if they know what they're doing. Just don't expect to be a huge bruiser in melee combat and you'll be fine.Get windmill to r1 especially, and if you're feeling generous get counter and smash too. There's always enemies who come out with natural shield, and they usually come out with solo missions. When you've got to face a lycanthrope or a golden mask ghost or Their Method, you'll want windmill a lot.
Post by: krisslanza on July 25, 2013, 09:18:55 am
Note that while elves are by no means meant for melee, they can still hold their own if they know what they're doing. Just don't expect to be a huge bruiser in melee combat and you'll be fine.Get windmill to r1 especially, and if you're feeling generous get counter and smash too. There's always enemies who come out with natural shield, and they usually come out with solo missions. When you've got to face a lycanthrope or a golden mask ghost or Their Method, you'll want windmill a lot.
I still remember fighting the Giant Lycanthrope in Shamala's quests and not knowing they leveled up when knocked down. Took like five minutes to finally kill them with crits. >.>
Post by: Girlinhat on July 25, 2013, 09:19:40 am
I sat on my ass and let that jungle-wrench do all the heavy lifting.Note that while elves are by no means meant for melee, they can still hold their own if they know what they're doing. Just don't expect to be a huge bruiser in melee combat and you'll be fine.Get windmill to r1 especially, and if you're feeling generous get counter and smash too. There's always enemies who come out with natural shield, and they usually come out with solo missions. When you've got to face a lycanthrope or a golden mask ghost or Their Method, you'll want windmill a lot.
I still remember fighting the Giant Lycanthrope in Shamala's quests and not knowing they leveled up when knocked down. Took like five minutes to finally kill them with crits. >.>
Post by: krisslanza on July 25, 2013, 10:14:21 am
Clever girl...I sat on my ass and let that jungle-wrench do all the heavy lifting.Note that while elves are by no means meant for melee, they can still hold their own if they know what they're doing. Just don't expect to be a huge bruiser in melee combat and you'll be fine.Get windmill to r1 especially, and if you're feeling generous get counter and smash too. There's always enemies who come out with natural shield, and they usually come out with solo missions. When you've got to face a lycanthrope or a golden mask ghost or Their Method, you'll want windmill a lot.
I still remember fighting the Giant Lycanthrope in Shamala's quests and not knowing they leveled up when knocked down. Took like five minutes to finally kill them with crits. >.>
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2013, 10:10:05 pm
NOTE2: The infiiniarrow for the infiniarrow bow gives said bow +15% damage and +30 max damage. The percentile makes it amazing given the nature of leveling forever. Presuming it does not apply only to bow damage and not stat damage.
Post by: krisslanza on July 26, 2013, 11:40:58 am
By the way looking at the stone, it seems the guild expires in 2 days.
Post by: Kaitol on July 26, 2013, 01:37:55 pm
I thought disabling the Nagle raglfraglnable was supposed to IMPROVE performance. All I noticed today was a distinct DROP in performance.
One full computer crash and three freeze-induced deaths from bandits later, I am thoroughly questioning the intelligence of disabling that.
Post by: krisslanza on July 26, 2013, 02:18:54 pm
Well that was a thoroughly disheartening few hours.
I thought disabling the Nagle raglfraglnable was supposed to IMPROVE performance. All I noticed today was a distinct DROP in performance.
One full computer crash and three freeze-induced deaths from bandits later, I am thoroughly questioning the intelligence of disabling that.
That is odd, I have never heard of anything like that happening from disabling the Nagle...
Post by: Kaitol on July 26, 2013, 04:34:33 pm
Or I could just make another account. Hmm.
Yeah with the whole day to delete stuff might as well just make a new account. Faster and less destructive.
Post by: Seriyu on July 26, 2013, 05:06:07 pm
And I would just use the human to get your free elf/giant and keep your elf. At the very least it's another bank account to hold stuff in.
Annnnd if the guild expires I will let ole ibid know (I am about to PM him about it now) and he'll get it back up. If it does expire, the guild will still work, we just won't be able to invite new people.
Post by: Kaitol on July 27, 2013, 01:08:39 am
Can you use a lance with final hit? It says any weapon, but says if you switch to a lance it cancels the skill, than later on says it ignores the minimum distance on lances. Can you use lances, but just not switch to them AFTER using the skill?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 27, 2013, 01:40:43 am
I just found out its normal for bandits to cause a massive drop in FPS. I guess they just choked my computer, possibly combined with the twenty dire wolves packed on that tiny trail.
Can you use a lance with final hit? It says any weapon, but says if you switch to a lance it cancels the skill, than later on says it ignores the minimum distance on lances. Can you use lances, but just not switch to them AFTER using the skill?
Yes, lances can be used for Final Hit, but... anything that is slower than "Fast" and not be duel-wielding will knock the enemy back/down, thus ending the combo, and result in a dismal damage output. Two-handers and lances are, from my experiments, terrible, awful, horrible FH weapons. I'd recommend a couple of swords. :P
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2013, 01:43:23 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 27, 2013, 01:52:30 am
Final hit sucks for all non-duel-wieldable weapons.
Th-that's what I said! Y-you can't just..! D:
Post by: Kaitol on July 27, 2013, 01:58:46 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2013, 02:17:42 am
It's not just a recommendation! xD It's built for dual wielding.Final hit sucks for all non-duel-wieldable weapons.
Th-that's what I said! Y-you can't just..! D:
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2013, 02:42:59 am
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2013, 06:51:36 am
Broad sword is best cheap sword, really. They deal heavy damage even with storebought ones fully upgraded 222-style and cost only 10k each for repairs c:
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2013, 10:03:32 am
Daggers with full crit uogrades work surprisingly well, but they aren't that economic what with their low durability.That's where blacksmithing comes in. Even at low rank I can make +4 dura blades.
Post by: krisslanza on July 27, 2013, 10:56:46 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2013, 11:05:57 am
And really, only a little. I find the Final Shot skill actually hurts my performance, namely because the keybindings get weird and skills refuse to load properly. Final Hit works better, but whatever.
Still, you can argue that humans are better at range because Arrow Revolver. It's unfair to say that a race can ONLY play their weapon because one or two skills exist. It's more fair to say that you play your race because of your stats, low str is hard to fight with swords.
Even still, that's all wrong. Mabi has VERY FEW restrictions on what anyone can do. Elves can go sword and shield or knuckles just as easily as a human. Really, it's that most people choose their race to fit their style. You see so many elven archers because the player likes to be an archer so they chose something to emphasize their playstyle.
Post by: Skyrunner on July 27, 2013, 11:40:18 am
And elves WERE designed to use bows and magic. Problem is it turns out Arrow Revolver and humanity's low AP costs made archery best for humans, not elves. Elves have a high base mana pool and dex and int, though, so that's nice.
I've seen complaints that humans are the do-everything race while elves and giants are pushed off to a side. O-o
Post by: krisslanza on July 27, 2013, 02:06:08 pm
And I would just say because Giants get every upside to Fighter, and can even use heavy armor without a single penalty as well. You CAN do anything in Mabi, but devCat still feels like they intended you to play certain things with each race.
I mean, elves really seem to get the worst of it. The Giants don't have to pay increase AP for their Melee skills but they make Elves pay more for their Ranged attacks - their specialty - and magic another specialty. Giants only pay more AP in magic, their weakness, I think?
Post by: Sonlirain on July 27, 2013, 02:16:06 pm
Giants only pay more AP in magic, their weakness, I think?
They also can't wear 90% of armors/clothes nor use any rnaged weapon other than javelins.
They will most likely be able to use pistols tho.
Post by: krisslanza on July 27, 2013, 03:19:20 pm
Giants only pay more AP in magic, their weakness, I think?
They also can't wear 90% of armors/clothes nor use any rnaged weapon other than javelins.
They will most likely be able to use pistols tho.
I'd say the lack of equipment is a mixed bag. It DOES make it more likely for them to have more money given they can't use 90% of the stuff in the game but...
And right they have almost no range. They can't get the Archer talent I think. Or if they can, they can't really level it up given the Throw skill is to Warrior.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 27, 2013, 03:24:20 pm
Giants only pay more AP in magic, their weakness, I think?
They also can't wear 90% of armors/clothes nor use any rnaged weapon other than javelins.
They will most likely be able to use pistols tho.
I'd say the lack of equipment is a mixed bag. It DOES make it more likely for them to have more money given they can't use 90% of the stuff in the game but...
And right they have almost no range. They can't get the Archer talent I think. Or if they can, they can't really level it up given the Throw skill is to Warrior.
They have rnage... it's only pretty specialized since some javelins HURT like hell.
Tahy do eat up a ton of space tho...
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2013, 03:25:19 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2013, 05:18:38 pm
Giants DO make better fighters then humans, the chain mastery thing allows heavy armor much sooner then a human (it really does help keep you up in multi aggro which fighter gets a lot of so this is a pretty amazing advantage), and on top of it they have more will growth then humans, which effects knuckle damage. If you wanted to get nitpicky their hitbox is also larger so their windmill is slightly larger (it's a relative increase so it's not actually an advantage but shhh).
Throwing attack is HIGHLY underrated, rank 1 throwing attack does something like 900% damage on an already physical bruiser, twice the damage of a human smash, AT RANGE, it runs off strength, it has no aim time I don't think (although you can still miss, it's basically set to maximum aim depending on the circumstances, 90% if moving, 95 if standing still), and javelins have very high damage mods (as a note Hillwen engineering can make new javelins that are even better then long javelins! Although not metal javelins, which add a whopping 400 min and max damage.) which generally results in it basically being a huge long range cannon for giants that can only be fired once a minute or so. That's not a downside. That's a lateral upgrade.
Which really results in the issue, for giants, their "disadvantages" are mild issues. Javelins are huge and powerful but only work once in a while, making them impossible to use as a main skillset. There's still a bonus in there, I'd go so far as to say it's almost an advantage. Magic amounts to -2 int (literally nothing) and -24 mana(-1 int spell cast maybe. Minus several full bolt spells, but firebolt will still clear a room in a mana bar anyway.). Spells also cost a little more to cast, which any mage can tell you isn't a huge deal if you're stocked up on MP pots like any good mage is, although it isn't insignificant. Their stat growths are terrible for it, but besides mana, it's not a big deal because Int is pretty bad for damage for magic. Giants might have to avoid using mana shield, which isn't a big deal because they have the HP to take it.
Arguably the issue is that elves have disadvantages in the core skillset that some people would go so far as to say that everyone should max out before anything else, and giants have issues in the auxilary skillsets. -HP and -Str is just naturally a bigger penalty then -MP and -Int because strength is harder to get and when you run out of HP you die, as opposed to just being unable to shoot lightning. I would argue that's not entirely untrue, but I really feel that they were harder on elves with their disadvantages which is the bigger issue.
Of course, despite all this, merely due to the nature of mabinogi, if you want a melee elf, it's still more then possible. Your biggest issue is your strength, so solve that first. Carpentry, mining, combat mastery, you name it. All the gun skills give a decent amount of str too. Keep in mind the will you get will also raise crit, so it's hardly useless. You'll be fighting growths, which is a big deal, but it's still possible. You might have to focus more on damage enchants then crit enchants to make up for your bad strength growth, but some people do that with non elves anyway. You will never match a giant warrior of fairly equivalent strength in stats and enchants, but a giant mage will never match an elf mage under similar circumstances either.
This wall of text brought to you by me not using the quote button ever.
Post by: krisslanza on July 27, 2013, 05:26:49 pm
I have no idea why devCat thought making Elves cost more AP in their "primary" skillsets was a good idea. It would make sense if Giants had to spend more AP in their melee skills as well, but they only pay more in their "weakness", although Elves DO spend less in their melee so... I guess that's a small thing.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 27, 2013, 09:54:18 pm
One little problem with Mabinogi is when they designed some skills, devCat was very stingy about making you have to play your race the "Way they designed it". Mainly that Humans are supposed to be dual-wielding sword users, as that's their special ability and it really shows for Final Hit. For Elves, they intended you to use nothing but bows or crossbows as shown by Final Shot and Mirage Missile. For Giants, I'd say they were probably designed to be Fighters.
That said, none of those skills are (insofar as I've seen) so essential or overwhelmingly useful as to make "non-optimal" builds too much trouble to enjoy. Abaque(?), for instance, is a Giant who uses advanced magic despite higher costs in general for that race, has more intelligence that my human, and is overall probably more skilled (in the intangible sense!) than I will ever be. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 27, 2013, 11:14:09 pm
Earlier today me don and irm (krisslanza's elf) were doing G1 finale for Irm's elf. It went fairly uneventfully up to the fifth floor. We get to the boss, open the door, drag ole dark lord out of the room (I get whacked in the process naturally because brash) and kill him. Cutscene plays, when we come out of it, glas has already aggroed on Irm. I ask don if we'll need to demigod rush, or what because it's been a while since glas and I do not recall his relative strength. Don responds by...
Walking into the corner.
Sinking into the floor about halfway.
Riding an invisible horse BELOW the floor.
Spinning wildly.
And vanishing.
Later into the fight it was revealed he was behind glas, so I can only presume Don has secretly honed some kind of powerful teleportation technique involving horses and physical deconstruction.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2013, 11:22:47 pm
Tales of graphical glitches -I like to imagine this as one of those "Candid Video Demonic Possession" movies. Where you're like "Don we need help!" and Don crawls into the corner, cracks his neck around, and whispers the words of the old tongues that seep their vile sorceries into Glas's bones and wither him from within and without.
Earlier today me don and irm (krisslanza's elf) were doing G1 finale for Irm's elf. It went fairly uneventfully up to the fifth floor. We get to the boss, open the door, drag ole dark lord out of the room (I get whacked in the process naturally because brash) and kill him. Cutscene plays, when we come out of it, glas has already aggroed on Irm. I ask don if we'll need to demigod rush, or what because it's been a while since glas and I do not recall his relative strength. Don responds by...
Walking into the corner.
Sinking into the floor about halfway.
Riding an invisible horse BELOW the floor.
Spinning wildly.
And vanishing.
Later into the fight it was revealed he was behind glas, so I can only presume Don has secretly honed some kind of powerful teleportation technique involving horses and physical deconstruction.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 28, 2013, 03:54:11 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 28, 2013, 12:24:10 pm
The truth is much stranger- Don is an existentialist.
How did you find out about that? :o
Post by: krisslanza on July 28, 2013, 01:40:41 pm
I just need to worry on getting Estus through G1 and G2 now, which I think will go pretty easy. No idea what I'd use her Goddess enchant on though. And then I need to play Aldegund still, but I'll probably wait for Gunner for that.
Post by: alexwazer on July 28, 2013, 01:52:22 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2013, 05:32:57 pm
It's still very possible to die in it but it's not the huge obstacle it once was.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 28, 2013, 10:28:14 pm
Personally I'm going for magic craft and ecology. I will glue myself to the reserve until they're r1. You gotta raise these things all at once; otherwise you'll get to like rD and never do it again.
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2013, 10:38:03 pm
Post by: Kaitol on July 28, 2013, 11:15:26 pm
For anyone curious about the name, it should actually be spelled Cigfran, pronounced SigfrAn. (I think) But Cigfran looks kinda uncool and confuses some people. Plus they end up calling me Cig, which makes me feel like a tobacco product. I think I made it from norse or welsh or something. Translated ... what was it... sword and queen and smacked them together? I forget, came up with the name a long time ago.
I sperg about names a lot.
Post by: krisslanza on July 29, 2013, 12:29:33 am
So magic craft/ecology/engineering/mineralogy/guns are coming out this Friday (almost guaranteed). Can I see who's planning to do which new skills, if any?
Personally I'm going for magic craft and ecology. I will glue myself to the reserve until they're r1. You gotta raise these things all at once; otherwise you'll get to like rD and never do it again.
I'll probably do Hillwen Engineering and Magic Craft, I think are the most "Gunner" ones. Even though I know some are already going to max them, it just feels... wrong for a gunner to not know these things. In my head, that's how it works anyway.
I set up Aldegund, my giant, to get invited into the guild as well. I'm going to have her be all heavy armor as knight/warrior, I think. Irmingard my elf will be light armor as a gunner/warrior, and Estus is right now clothing and straight up Fighter. I'm thinking of making her be Fighter/Warrior, just because Fighter really lacks room clearing ability, and even with her great 1 on 1, I'm not sure how she'll handle any large spawns before they mob her.
Post by: Kaitol on July 29, 2013, 01:12:22 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2013, 05:02:42 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 29, 2013, 08:03:28 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 29, 2013, 12:28:27 pm
ALL lancer attacks knock down. No wonder I had trouble getting through the stomps. I thought they were coming out awfully fast.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2013, 04:09:32 pm
Spoiler: Linkdrop (click to show/hide)
Shyllien Ecology (gives 12 int 25 mana): 88
Magic Crafting (gives 12 int 12 str 15 stamina): 78
Rare Mineralogy (gives 10 int 18 str): 95
Hillwen Engineering (gives 12 int 12 str 15 stamina): 75
Reportedly, the grind is "worse than blacksmith". Oh boy!!!
We are unsure if gunners will NEED bullets to shoot, or if it's just a damage boost.From what I've heard (which is probably all he's heard too) the bullets are needed to use the skills, but not to regular attack. But I'd assume that bullets are needed for everything.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 29, 2013, 04:24:01 pm
So for normal shooting, bullets act as "handmade arrows" in that they buff the normal damage rate.
Post by: alexwazer on July 29, 2013, 05:25:48 pm
Well, I wouldn't mind having a spare suit of heavy armor for free. Save a suit for Sigfrain, please?
Too late, that offer ended last night and armor were eaten shortly after. Better luck next time.
Next time being today. I'll be making a few more today. So you can even choose how you want it finished, with cooper, silver or gold? Or maybe just let randomization do its thing?
Also, if I recall correctly, Seriyu wanted some other armor crafted. If you still do, feel free to ask. Today is, I think, production bonus day, thus it's the best time to do that.
Looking at those new skills, I don't thing I'll be ranking any anytime soon. Nothing really interest me all that much and I would rather try to work on what's already started; metallurgy, blacksmithing, weaving and carpentry to name just a few.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 29, 2013, 06:07:22 pm
Also, rebirthed as a Carpenter this time, and working on skilling up bowmaking and saving AP for magic crafting. Currently could use Cheap Leather Straps for making longbows.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2013, 06:14:03 pm
Same deal with guns.
:P
Post by: alexwazer on July 29, 2013, 08:41:05 pm
Reportedly, the grind is "worse than blacksmith". Oh boy!!!
Looking at the list, it can't be as bad as blacksmithing since none of the material needed seems as hard to get as leather. Blacksmithing should be renamed leatherstraping due to the insane amount it requires. Grind might be worse, but probably possible within a much shorter time without ruining yourself (not that there's that much leather available for sale in the first place).
On second thought, I might work on some of those on my alts. But that would only be if I don't see more activity after these are released. Because I honestly don't want to rely on people ranking it up if they aren't even playing :P I would probably start with just the gathering skills to help, but would switch to crafting if I feel it's the only way to see some of these things crafted.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 29, 2013, 09:04:59 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 29, 2013, 09:42:32 pm
Also on my armor, make it that half plate recipe dir should have sent you don, I'd also like a dragon crest helm, greaves, and ulna protector gloves, all finished gold. If that's too much to do let me know and I will have someone else finish this up. The recipes should all be buyable from NPCs, although it does require a lot of common leather. I'll be sure to hunt some when I log on later to help you cope with the terrible leather drought.
Why no leather gacha incidentally, that would sell like hotcakes.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2013, 09:47:49 pm
I'd suggest to stockpile some AP then, and see what people are doing after a week. I hope to get into magic crafting heavily, and once I'm staff-level to spill out into different crafting, like Hillwen and more of the blacksmithing and carpentry types.The great Milletian race to r3 Magic Crafting is on! not really
Also if I didn't actually mail the recipe to you please scream at me and I'll go look for it. I'm not too sure where it is anymore; might even be in your pockets already.
Post by: alexwazer on July 29, 2013, 10:36:23 pm
I don't have that half plate recipe. I started the other things. Greaves and gloves are done, but neither really look all that goldish. I did the helm, but I need some fine fabric to finish it and after more than 15 minutes I still couldn't get any and only got annoyed. I get easily annoyed and even more so when sleepy. So, from now on, I'll have to ask people to do the material hunting themselves. I'll provide the weaving and smithing, but I'm not hunting sheeps, spiders or anything else to make something for others.
I'll finish that helm tomorrow, can't be bothered further tonight by randomized fabric crafting.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2013, 11:19:37 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2013, 12:38:50 am
Let me know specifically the mats you need and I'll grab them tomorrow! If it's a huge list just PM me or something.
Post by: Kaitol on July 30, 2013, 01:04:47 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 30, 2013, 07:20:14 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2013, 05:00:27 pm
Side note, I dunno if I mentioned, but due to a combination of steam badges worming their way into my brain and monster hunter, I may not be on until the next EP so I am not dying off or anything do not worry everything is okay.
Post by: alexwazer on July 30, 2013, 09:13:15 pm
I still have the manuals used, they still have 23-24 uses left, except the armor which has 26. If you want that last one back, or sent back to SirAaaron, let me know.
I do officially accept any common/fine/finest leather donation (keep cheap for people less deserving :P )
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 30, 2013, 11:23:34 pm
Post by: krisslanza on July 31, 2013, 12:00:32 am
Just confirming that yeah, I don't feel like playing until magic craft comes out. Plus, I'm busy until probably next Monday so I won't be able to find the time anyway. Not like I do anything with people besides dailies, anyway. :P
Give us that sweet, sweet AP :P
Post by: Girlinhat on July 31, 2013, 11:38:18 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 31, 2013, 12:46:27 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 31, 2013, 04:53:27 pm
This may also sneakily be adding guns and crafting and such in for the EP coming up. Of course it's always possible they'll just add guns in the next server maint, so they'll actually be coming out sometime next week as opposed to friday on the dot. I'd imagine they didn't give a solid date for a reason.
Post by: alexwazer on July 31, 2013, 11:16:50 pm
In other news, I reached r5 metal conversion on Kyu. So I only need 3 ore/fragment/ingots now for conversion. I also made 76 iron ingots from the stockpiled unknown ore fragments I had, so iron shortage crisis averted.
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2013, 01:54:32 am
Of course the patches page is an educated guess with time at the very least so take this with a grain of salt.
In other news, have a picture of sephiroth (http://i.imgur.com/6ekY67u.jpg).
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2013, 05:53:51 pm
It is suspected to be coming out in the gap between EP6, which is about to come out tomorrow, and EP7. So yeah, my original estimate was correct. GET READY FOR IT
Post by: Ozyton on August 01, 2013, 05:58:35 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 01, 2013, 06:17:06 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2013, 06:54:01 pm
Huh, guns? This is the first time I'm hearing about it. So muchchanges when you neglect the game for a while =p
Yep! You're still in the guild if you'd like to give mabi another whack. :P
There have been a wide variety of gun overviews over the last few pages along with the new crafting skills. Long story short, guns are shorter range then bows, they don't cause enemies to flinch besides on crits and with skill usage, and
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 01, 2013, 09:11:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 01, 2013, 09:21:18 pm
Post by: majikero on August 01, 2013, 09:44:09 pm
Also, watching the korean videos of things yet to come is depressing. Seriously, look how SMOOTH it plays!
Also, magic knuckles will either be gatcha or part of the hero card set only. So it'll be like 5mil in the least.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 01, 2013, 09:46:53 pm
Also, magic knuckles will either be gatcha or part of the hero card set only. So it'll be like 5mil in the least.Warm up your commerce loli, it's time to spam elephants.
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 01, 2013, 10:07:43 pm
Installing manually and move it to your steam folder if you really want it on steam.It won't install manually on my machine. I had to extract the installer as a ZIP file then edit the registry to get it to work the first time. My machine used to be able to run Mabinogi at recommended settings back before Pioneers of Iria came out and now I'm finding I can't even install the damn thing without risking some kind of damage to said machine's OS. Nexon pls.
Also, watching the korean videos of things yet to come is depressing. Seriously, look how SMOOTH it plays!
Also, magic knuckles will either be gatcha or part of the hero card set only. So it'll be like 5mil in the least.
Post by: Kaitol on August 01, 2013, 10:26:44 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 01, 2013, 10:39:56 pm
You should just be able to extract the installer as a folder and then just run it once you move it where you want it to be. I have no idea where that registry editing comes from.Well it's a lot simpler than I made it out to be but it's still kind of annoying having to go into regedit for a game I used to meet the recommended specifications for. I do it because it's one of the few MMOs that keeps me coming back for more, and it has since a little after Open Beta got out.
I wasn't a beta tester but my god I remember when you saw people with "the Beta Tester" title on Mari all the damn time. I keep on making new accounts though since I've got shit memory and as a result I forget my log-in information if I don't write it down somewhere. I'll be back ingame somehow with a new account since it's happened yet again, but at least this time I didn't lose around $200 of virtual goods like I did on at least two or three of my other accounts. I've spent maybe $500 on Mabinogi since I started buying NX in 2009, mostly on pets and rebirth cards.
You people play on Alexina right? I might be able to get set up there again within the next month or two, but don't count on it for sure since my memory is shit and half the time if I don't write it down or ask someone to remind me I forget within about twenty or thirty minutes. Hope to see you guys ingame soon, after I fix the latest fuck-up my computer is having.
Post by: Kaitol on August 01, 2013, 10:56:38 pm
Made another account to make a crafter and try out an elven mage. They're both outside the guild though. Also, I'm eyeing everything that wants leather suspiciously. Really need a good way to get leather. Maybe a skinning skill that can be used on enemy corpses before they go poof? Just saying Korea. Get on it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 01, 2013, 11:16:44 pm
Apparently it's only by 5% too but I am not one who works with leather so I don't know if that's a huge amount or if it's just something to look good on your skill list
You people play on Alexina right?This is true.
Post by: Ozyton on August 01, 2013, 11:29:27 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 02, 2013, 12:40:43 am
Oh, and look for Malkavmaddie on Alexina I guess. I won't be on too much until I'm more or less taken care of on the computer front and don't have to spend twenty minutes just to get to the login screen, but I might be there I guess.
Post by: Skyrunner on August 02, 2013, 01:55:24 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2013, 02:10:14 am
So does anybody need copper or silver ingots? Or gold or silver ore? I got some that's just sitting here cluttering my bank...
Send the copper to me as it's useless and I can convert it. The other stuff comes down to who needs it at the time. Donryu or Laur would be the people to ask. Donryu is alexwazer on the forum and Laur would be girlinhat. If you just want to send it to someone, Laur is usually the one that accepts the most donations.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2013, 02:13:48 am
Also, can someone see if the new skills (engineering and the like) are implemented with this EP? Gotta see if it's time for the biggest grind of the
(although reaching r1 magic craft might not be worth the trouble, all the current recipes are r3 and below... guess if I really love success %s)
And as a very unrelated side note: I heard thunder isn't worth ranking up past 5. Is this true, and if so, can I get an explanation?
Post by: Seriyu on August 02, 2013, 02:16:37 am
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 02, 2013, 11:20:54 am
Those tutorials are especially annoying when you started as one talent, changed to another, and then changed back. They make you do the tutorial for, say, mages every time you choose the mage talent. Even though you have some of the most advanced skills the set has to offer at ridiculously high ranks. I'm pretty sure we've joked about that ingame more than once before.Hence why I'm going to prefer to play Mabinogi while doped up on caffeine, and I say doped up because caffeine makes me feel kind of drunk and sedated after the initial two hours. Otherwise Devcat will be shitting blood when I'm through with them, metaphorically-speaking. Let it be known that I hate tutorials that happen to treat you like you're dumber than a sack of retarded puppies and have nothing but contempt for loathsome fuckers that think every single god damn gamer is a fucking casual.
Also just to clarify Malkavmaddie is on Alexina. For some reason she took Archery as a talent and was forced to sit through the Archery and Melee Combat tutorials last night. At least she's level 12 now.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 02, 2013, 11:26:42 am
Post by: majikero on August 02, 2013, 12:32:20 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2013, 12:44:12 pm
I've not made a character for -years- but most every quest, you can 'Give Up' if that helps?Nope, not these. It is quite embarrassing.
Post by: krisslanza on August 02, 2013, 03:08:40 pm
The bad part is even if you have a Memorial character (which you can't anymore) you STILL have to do them.
Post by: Seriyu on August 03, 2013, 01:37:28 am
Post by: MadMalkavian on August 03, 2013, 03:07:15 am
To be fair, it REALLY NEEDS that tutorial. It cuts down alot of the complaints from the steam folks.Further proof that a game's inclusion on Steam leads to a decrease in the overall intelligence of the base stock of said game's population, unless if the game was on Steam already. Same reason why I don't log into my online profile in Tales of Maj'Eyal is the same reason why we have to deal with sadistic tutorials it seems. Or it could just be another reason why I hate being in Generation Y. Either way I'm still cooling off from the whole tutorial thing and I think I'll be ingame sometime when I'm not so miffed with Devcat. It takes a while for me to warm up to something again once the cold seething rage pours through me like beer into a stein.
Post by: alexwazer on August 03, 2013, 11:43:18 am
Edit: Preemptive answer: the first question usually asked when you tell someone Mabi isn't about chaining quests is "Then, how do you level up?" So, I will answer that as well. Mabi isn't typical here either, you usually don't do something for leveling up, but rather level up while doing something. So it is more a matter of what you feel like doing, or what you want to obtain, achieve or train. A few suggestions include doing commerce (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Commerce_System) (good exp, gold and ducats), shadow missions (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shadow_Mission) (decent exp and gold and small chance to get some useful drops), crafting, running dungeons (Alby normal (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Alby#Normal), Ciar beginner (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Ciar#Beginner) are good starting choice, Rabbie normal (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Rabbie#Normal) is also good if you want a bit more challenge) or you can just travel around randomly killing random stuff.
Post by: krisslanza on August 03, 2013, 08:28:42 pm
One thing that's worth mentioning is that Mabi, unlike a lot of other MMORPG, isn't heavily quest driven. So, do not force yourself doing those quest and trying to clear the quests list, it's a lost battle. And a battle that usually isn't worth fighting to begin with. The exception being the generations quests, at least G1-2 that are worth doing as soon as possible.
Edit: Preemptive answer: the first question usually asked when you tell someone Mabi isn't about chaining quests is "Then, how do you level up?" So, I will answer that as well. Mabi isn't typical here either, you usually don't do something for leveling up, but rather level up while doing something. So it is more a matter of what you feel like doing, or what you want to obtain, achieve or train. A few suggestions include doing commerce (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Commerce_System) (good exp, gold and ducats), shadow missions (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shadow_Mission) (decent exp and gold and small chance to get some useful drops), crafting, running dungeons (Alby normal (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Alby#Normal), Ciar beginner (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Ciar#Beginner) are good starting choice, Rabbie normal (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Rabbie#Normal) is also good if you want a bit more challenge) or you can just travel around randomly killing random stuff.
Problem is the tutorial quests MUST be done. They have higher priority then ANY quest in the game, so you can never speak to Duncan/your race elder about anything else besides the tutorials. And I think every single Generation quest, at least G1-G3, will have you talk to them at some point.
Post by: alexwazer on August 03, 2013, 08:38:59 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 03, 2013, 11:50:42 pm
They really need some loving. A couple more lance skills, maybe a Spear type of lance that has less pierce but no minimum range. Maybe a lance uppercut type skill with no minimum range that pops something way up in the air and lets you pull back and regroup.
My suggestion? Don't friggin start as a lancer. Start as a warrior/fighter/whathaveyou, and once you get good and mastered with that, Start earning the lance skills and have it in your aux slot. Maining lancer and only lancer is PAINFUL.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 04, 2013, 12:00:23 am
I will, however, agree that it is generally less useful than other skillsets, and can do with some boosting.
Post by: Seriyu on August 04, 2013, 01:24:27 am
Next time I get on (in a few days when ole hillwen comes out) I'll give you a bit of a rundown. For now, all I'll say is they excel at chaining smashes, and the extra range on the lance makes all the difference in that. You can get a smash off after a lance charge, you can get a smash off after an assault slash (if the slash knocks them back), generally if it knocks them over/back you can use it to get a smash. Honestly that's about it. It's easy to chain together charges and slashes and slip a ton of smashes into the string while basically preventing the enemy from doing anything.
If you've gotten to the point where you need to counter/windmill enemies away, you generally want to switch to another melee weapon, because once the enemy has that much pressure on you and is in that close, the lance doesn't really have anything it can do, besides hope to land a smash after a mill or counter, which is very dangerous if the enemy manages to start moving before you reach them.
Enclosed areas are a bad place to be as a lancer, naturally meaning dungeon rooms and some shadow missions are harrowing experiences, and you should basically forget about fighting in a narrow hallway if you can't kill it in one or two shots. With that said against things like dragons they are fantastic, and even in dungeon and shadow mission rooms are servicible, there's just a bit less margin for error. Heavy stander can easily ruin your day, as it will prevent lance charge from KBing I think, which can put a violent end to your smash streak.
Not a main set by any means, but very powerful once you get the hang of it. Is it worth sacrificing a second slot for another melee weapon to cover you if you mess up? Depends on what you're going for! It could certainly be a detriment for the more multi setted folks in the game. And indeed most folks would prefer to carry around a wand/bow. But if you're going strictly melee and care for nothing else, you've got your second slot right there.
Post by: Kaitol on August 04, 2013, 09:09:09 pm
Why do gargoyles even have magic? It's like someone thought, lets give this enemy with ludicrous attack power magic for no good reason, just to make it MORE annoying and unpredictable.
I did find a party, but after telling ME not to rush the boss room, they proceeded to rush directly into a mixed clump of gargoyles and aggro'd like 4 and got themselves killed. Then I had all of them chasing me around until they killed me. They both even had magic. They could have EASILY pulled one away and then pounded on it. They were in a guild and had much better gear and everything. I did better solo then with them. Christ. If I'm patient and careful enough I can probably solo it tomorrow. Maybe I'll learn the giant skills and charge and mana shield first though. Bring along some javelins too.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 04, 2013, 09:10:40 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on August 04, 2013, 09:45:18 pm
Defense > Normal attack > smash > defense, and counterattack beats all of them, while windmill beats counterattack and with large enough range normal attack.
Post by: Kaitol on August 04, 2013, 10:10:34 pm
Maybe if I grab a faster hitting weapon... or maybe I can just pop them with a javelin to delay them while counter is down.
I could just bite the bullet and grab some magic... but.. magic is so hard... and its the domain of those fiendish elves and their tricksy ways...
Real giants beat stuff to death with their fists. Or a log.
Post by: Seriyu on August 05, 2013, 05:18:09 pm
Also MAYBE GUNS TOMORROW SINCE THEY'RE REMOVING THE SAND EVENT AAAA
Post by: Kaitol on August 06, 2013, 12:20:13 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 06, 2013, 05:21:02 pm
But they will indirectly boost your puppet if it boosts your strength or dex. Or damage. I'm fairly sure the control rod damage factors into puppet damage somehow, so the damage boosting one will help. Likewise lullaby extra damage still applies to puppets. And anything else I'm forgetting probably applies too.
Tomorrow guns maybe probably!
Post by: Girlinhat on August 06, 2013, 05:39:35 pm
Post by: majikero on August 06, 2013, 05:56:13 pm
The puppet is already strong on its own. Rank 1 puppet and control skill gives a base damage of 245 max. The 70% from you is just icing on the cake.
Post by: Kaitol on August 06, 2013, 06:48:09 pm
Gunner of course I still want to try. Still also haven't made a Fighter. Might try an alternate warrior with dual wielding as well. I might try an alchemist when the update comes out that makes them less desperately reliant on specific items. I also might give my pure mage from start another go when that update is live because right now she's kind of tedious and underpowered.
Yes I have a problem. So indecisive. And I always have more ideas for characters. I swear I like thinking them up more than playing them.
Post by: Seriyu on August 06, 2013, 07:42:07 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 06, 2013, 08:16:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 06, 2013, 09:10:17 pm
While platemail is actually a good choice for mages in mabi, moreso after the big rebalencing coming after the saga, alternate choices are hebona set pieces, which I think are pretty cheap for end game gear, or just whatever you think looks good. A lot of magic set bonuses are on cloth armor, I can't think of anything that isn't hebona. MP usage reduction is always nice as a big part of what makes being a mage so expensive is the no doubt toxic amounts of MP potions you guzzle in dire situations.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 06, 2013, 11:12:40 pm
Okay, just making sure you follow. :P
...hebona set pieces, which I think are pretty cheap for end game gear...
...hebona set pieces, which I think are pretty cheap...
...are pretty cheap...
...cheap...
Post by: Kaitol on August 06, 2013, 11:59:33 pm
Also, given one of the events seems to be guild related, it gonna be reopened anytime soon?
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 12:07:17 am
I am being 100% honest when I say that is wonderful and I look forward to just herds of scooter riders.
CHEAP
I haven't checked okay it's probably pretty cheap compared to where it was it seems like everything's gone down
:P
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 12:15:17 am
And a.. scooter pet?Heeeeell yeah. Get a load of this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I dunno, that's up to Ibid. I've tossed him a PM and he hasn't responded so we'll just have to wati and see. We might be able to participate even with an inactive guild.If this guild title event is the same as the other guild title event, it'll be something like "recruit 6 people into your guild and get a CUSTOM TITLE" so.. we will need a refresh if we want a special title. It might also help to have a special title in mind beforehand.CHEAP
I haven't checked okay it's probably pretty cheap compared to where it was it seems like everything's gone down
And no, the robes are definitely still as expensive as always. 9999999 gold anyone???????? (or you could offer a trade or try and haggle but that's lame and uncool)
Post by: krisslanza on August 07, 2013, 12:39:00 am
...
I didn't even rebirth my Elf.
...
Dammit Xillia and Dragon's Crown. Damn you!
Post by: Kaitol on August 07, 2013, 01:02:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 01:02:31 am
But from what I've read it's all SHOOTING RUSH BULLET STORM SHOOTING RUSH. And if you get into trouble you can use Frenzy I guess.
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 01:29:22 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 06:50:54 am
This is one pet I might have to get, if only so that I can power-train it massively and watch my little scooter go and auto-attack bears. I just really hope it doesn't have some on-summon-attack...
Post by: krisslanza on August 07, 2013, 08:25:20 am
I would like to say from experience that seemingly every new skillset that comes out seems like it's gonna be CRAZY OVERPOWERED and then you actually play it and you're like oh god how do I do this I've died twice in this room what went wrong so expect some difficulties!
I dunno, Fighter seemed to perform pretty well right out of the box when I could punch things and kill them in seconds. :P
Okay once I actually had skills anyway...
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 12:56:48 pm
Also the guild event involves recruiting 5 people and getting a nice custom title. Sounds about right.
100% repairs, though not sure if that includes things besides blacksmithing.
Some events that involve killing stuff for prizes. There are 2, one in Hillwen mine and one that you talk to a certain Caravan Jimmy to enter. The prizes didn't look SUPER MUST-HAVE GREAT but I wasn't looking too hard.
And a scooter pet. You can use Windmill while riding it. Rad.
E: In other news, I was caught in a gunfight in Bangor. Also Dowra's theme is awesome, and there is a music file called "NPC_Little_Tarlach". How about that.
EE: Filia got revamped, it looks completely different. Sorta. We can assume Vales has too then.
EEE: Wow, there are bags specifically for magic crafting stuff? Amazing! Also there are daily (I assume) quests to kill some mutant bunnies and the reward is 30 bits of shyllien crystals. That could be useful.
EEEE: I am being mauled by rabbits send help
EEEEE: Plants are no pushovers, no sir.
EEEEEE: You might have to finish an EP or something to be able to enter the reserve? Laur can't see the teleport mage to enter, but I can. And I am enjoying every minute of it.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 01:28:26 pm
Vales got overhauled as well, though the Hillwen mine itself seems locked. Trying to reach Filia to see the magicraft.
Post by: Kaitol on August 07, 2013, 01:35:13 pm
This is just first ten minute impressions, so make of them what you will. Going to try it more of course before I make any final decisions.
On another note, we have any good enchanters? A couple of gunslinger newbie quests give you some decent enchant scrolls and I'd like to throw them on my guns before they expire today. Throw.. oh god what was the name I thought up... Just post here with your name and I'll throw you a friend request since the guild is still expired and I rolled a new elf for gunslinger.
Anyone want to get together for the zombie killing event just shout out.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 01:57:21 pm
Also regarding the reserve and probably mine, if you can't get in like Laur, then you could hitch a ride on someone who can (like me).
The zombie event is hard as hell if it's the same one as the Lorraine one from a while back. We just gave up on that IIRC.
E: Inexplicably, Laur is locked out of the reserve. Can't see the teleport mage to enter, can't get quests to kill rabbits... it's weird. If you can't do these things either, please say so here and I'll try and figure something out. Maybe.
Post by: Kaitol on August 07, 2013, 02:43:29 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 03:16:04 pm
That's what's going on here. The good nodes are in the back, surrounded by mutant rabbits, mutant plants, and other players. These all respawn, so you have to clear out the local area and start harvesting. Luckily the nodes are fairly large, so it's reasonable for one collector to be supported by a few bodyguards, or for everyone to simply start consuming the node at once.
It's very ACTIVE crafting, and thankfully the crafting station is directly adjacent to the collection nodes.
Post by: majikero on August 07, 2013, 04:08:40 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 05:22:04 pm
Post by: Elfeater on August 07, 2013, 05:34:39 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 07, 2013, 06:22:53 pm
I really wish they had something resembling range because right now I have to be practically in melee range to shoot. It's kinda ridiculous. I guess it synergizes well with fighters because your normal attacks won't knock stuff back at all so you can just shoot stuff the warriors are fighting and not mess them up much?
Wiki SAYS they have 700-800 range. Which is half of crossbows. It seems kinda silly to even call them ranged weapons. They all get a 100 range upgrade, so I suppose you could get the single gun with 800 range thats upgradeable and boost its range twice and have a 1000 range gun. Which is still only 2/3 of a crossbow.
At least they generally wreck magic users. Thats one thing they're good at.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 07:13:08 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 07:14:12 pm
In other news the new crafting is rediculous and I love it. More details when I'm not being mauled by emerald animals.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2013, 07:22:33 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 07, 2013, 07:23:00 pm
It has been fun, but I think I am going to have to retire until a distant point. :)
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 07:45:58 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 08:19:28 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 08:24:42 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 09:18:17 pm
The new crafting is, as laur said, crazy go nuts. Monsters with multiaggro, sly gatherers looking to gank ore nodes, and no teamwork to be seen besides what results in some jerk getting the most ore. We need UNITY. What we need is a plan to get people to work together on this, because otherwise it's gonna go nowhere.
Here's the thing. I would reccomend at least 3 people. Two can work, but it gets hairy. One person gathers, one is a dedicated fighter, and maybe one more that gathers and fights If we have one gatherer and two sole fighters, okay, but if you can gather, and nothing is attacking, gather. We will decide first who is a primary gatherer and who is a primary defender and who's both. For defending gatherers, you just need combat skills, no crafting. You'll get exp and minor gold, and hey it's something to do with other people.
More then three people is fine. More defense is never bad. People will steal our hard earned nodes but there's no preventing that, just leave them be, because one of the many rules of MMOs is don't get pissed off or they'll start doing whatever pissed you off out of spite instead of personal benefit.
If there are multiple gatherers/crafters in one relevant area, we'll split up the mats in such a way that people that need to do x thing, get mats that are relevant to their needs. If everyone needs everything, split evenly. This is flexible.
As far as deciding where to go, I'm thinking we vote, never going to the same area twice in a row unless it is a unanimous vote. Obviously only people that are helping get to vote. ANY OBJECTIONS?
DOES THIS ALL SOUND GOOD?
TELL ME NOW BEFORE WE OFFICIALLY START.
EDIT: Just a note, none of this is 100% required, if we don't have enough for one day we'll probably just push the next crafting back. I don't want otturn this into a "SHOW UP ONCE A WEEK OR YOU'RE OUT" and frankly I don't think we have enough activity for me to pull that anyway. However it would be very nice if people showed up now and then at least.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 07, 2013, 09:48:38 pm
Materials should probably be sent to low-ranked crafters, as they can get exp by doing the raw material crafting and then giving the finished goods to the experienced crafters who can utilize them to make proper items. If there's more than one of low-crafter, then give most of the mats to the lower one, and give most finished goods to the lower item-crafter, but set aside enough to produce at least one usable item - ie, produce one staff and donate most of the rest to raising the whole group's collective skills.
Really we've never had trouble handing raw materials over to those who need it, I don't foresee it being a significant problem, but if worse comes to worse then we can simply do even-splits.
Also, an ideal setup seems to be a dedicated gatherer, a dedicated bodyguard, and one shmuck doing both. There's a moment of "ok kill everything" that needs two people, then a long moment of "gather everything" that needs two people, and about the time the node is depleted, the bunnies are returning and it doesn't hurt to have another person smashing bunnies. Then move to the next node.
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 09:49:34 pm
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on August 07, 2013, 10:33:14 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2013, 10:51:05 pm
Adding me will also help me explain things more specifically as mabinogi is a very broad game and explaining all of it at once would take me hours. :P
EDIT: For those interested, the plan from above is working in spades and if you are interested in getting in and are not in the guild, again, add Bariaus and I will get you hooked up. Picture forthcoming!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 08, 2013, 12:02:16 am
If we pulled this on the mine as well, we could have high ranking engineers and magic crafters in only a month or so! Server market domination here we come!!!! Ahahahahaa!!!!
(or we could sell raw materials to other people for exorbitant prices, people buy shyllien for 5k a crystal these days, but that's not likely to last so never mind)
e: Since Laur asked, have some pictures of the white dragon (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1648&start=40) and black dragon armors. (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1648&sid=fd7eb99029b27094b210e40730aaf738) Only female is shown, unfortunately. I saw a white dragon male armor once but I can't find it again.
Post by: krisslanza on August 08, 2013, 12:32:21 am
...
Is this thing on?
Post by: Girlinhat on August 08, 2013, 12:36:14 am
GREETINGS FROM SCENIC 'THE NATURE'
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 08, 2013, 12:48:46 am
410 shyllien fragments (I probably got more from other people)
30~ mutant rabbit feet
30~ mucilages
lots~ herbs (bloody mana poison)
And now I'm rC. Wow! A whole day spent gathering and crafting and this is what I have to show for it. (well I'm like 60% to rB does that count)
Tomorrow we're probably going to the heartland of the engineers.
Post by: Kaitol on August 08, 2013, 12:57:17 am
Mostly I think it was the gremlin's speed. They just move too fast and hit me before my attack animation is even over. Anything that moves slower than an elf I can just kite with normal attacks as long as I have space. I think range, movement speed, and crit rate are going to be things gunners want a lot.
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 12:58:57 am
I... what?
Also, what's your gunslinger character name Kaitol? I want to add you. In fact if you haven't added Bariaus, ADD HIM! So even if you're out of the guild you can get in on our shenanigans.
Post by: Kaitol on August 08, 2013, 01:11:33 am
Golem kicked my ass. Never normal attacking a golem ever again for any reason. A bit of a problem because the gunslinger has very few Stand there and shoot skills. In fact, don't have any at all. They're all moving around and requiring you to be relatively close to your target and it can be so hard to judge when a golems in range to smack you. Hmm. Only option might just be to dance around and launch him when he defends. Or use Way of the gun and abuse doorways to reload after critting it to oblivion.
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 04:57:58 am
After dealing with the reserve I can say the monsters in hillwen, at least the bison, are a lot tankier then the ones in the reserve, even the plants. Shriekers seem to do a ton more damage then plants did, they both use lightning bolt. Haven't dealt with golems, besides the shriekers nothing does too much damage as far as I'm aware. Not sure what PD's everything has, besides the bison, which has heavy stander. The Jackals or whatever are simple and easy to one shot.
So basically what I'm saying is be ready for something a little tougher, but I think it's still within our reach.
Post by: krisslanza on August 08, 2013, 08:36:30 am
They seem to take some very quick thinking, and quick reactions. Especially for their normal attacks.
Post by: majikero on August 08, 2013, 09:59:40 am
edit. I also seem to hit 120-160 in damage without any skills. I think I'm in love.
Post by: alexwazer on August 08, 2013, 12:01:57 pm
edit. I also seem to hit 120-160 in damage without any skills. I think I'm in love.
Yeah, dual guns have pretty insane stats modifiers. Kyu's got only Ok Str and crap Int, but was still hitting for almost as much then he does using swords. With trans, damage went up by nearly 100%, which is much better than even swords. So, I'm in love too. I decided to take up dual guns on Don too (and then probably forget Kyu ever existed again).
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 05:30:26 pm
For everyone waiting for guns I need rank 9 engineering. THis might be a bit, so there's no shame in buying an NPC gun while waiting for that.
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 08:49:00 pm
This is all B2 by the way. B3 is the land of broken dreams and negative everything. An emerald shrieker took me out in two lightning bolts WITH mana shield on. And at any given time like three of them are aggroing. I'd imagine Golems are like Megabison with stomp. On the bright side the ores are almost pure hillwen so that's super great if we can manage. I'd say five, six people at least for B3.
On the bright side during boring idle moments when no one can help B1 has no monsters and late at night I can basically mine ore peacefully with no interruptions while I veg on youtube videos.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 08, 2013, 08:58:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 09:10:50 pm
"Suspicious login attempts, better freeze the account for a week"
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 08, 2013, 09:24:45 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 08, 2013, 09:34:19 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 08, 2013, 09:56:42 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 08, 2013, 10:27:57 pm
Tomorrow when we hopefully return to the reserve I think we'll be able to just sit around in there for a couple hours since I grabbed a few extra wands for gathering. I mean, unless you guys really want to do the new EP immediately.
Post by: Kaitol on August 08, 2013, 10:45:57 pm
Grapple shot seems worthless though. I mean, it might be good for melee people to move up on archers and mages maybe? In a group supposedly you can use it on team mates but I haven't been in any parties so I have no idea how useful that could be. But it doesn't stun long enough and any sort of lag makes it dicey to chain with flash launcher like the tutorial suggests. Maybe if leveling it up increases the range so you can grapple shot from far away? Dunno.
Edit: Maybe I could chain it with bullet slide... that could work. Might as well use a normal attack though because grapple shot's damage is tiny.
Edit: Then again it does have 1000 range, which is SLIGHTLY longer than the majority of guns regular range. So its slightly better for dealing with ranged attacks if you don't think you can hit them in time to interrupt a spell or arrow.
Post by: alexwazer on August 08, 2013, 11:06:09 pm
I'll put guns on hold on Don. I hate the issues with the lag and stuff and figured that barrier spikes/frozen blast (and possibly sand blast if my rank wasn't horrible) work wonders with guns, so Kyu's gonna be the gunner and the only one for now as far as I'm concerned.
I would be fine going to the reserve tomorrow. I'll go with Seikyu since I want to get started on that too. Although I'll probably mostly fight. I'm not going to touch the next EP until saturday. Finally, I did a bit more mining in the evening and, oddly enough, it went much more smoothly alone. Literally alone, the other people were at other nodes, while I was moving between 3 of them on my own, only having to fight a few bisons/hyenas here and there. I didn't stay long because I forgot to repair my drill (which cost a tons to repair too :-\ ) I think I'll have to adapt my fighting style with party, more standing and defending and less running around smashing and assaulting. Doesn't help to kill mobs faster if by doing so you aggro 3 more.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 08, 2013, 11:13:28 pm
With this in mind, I'll be running raft spams for anyone that needs exploration exp. We can get to 10 easily, 15 or 20 with patience. That's fairly valuable AP to spend during this double event. We should also work to get everyone through the daily shadows for the possible 3 AP per day, and we can work on the Hillwen Zombie Mine dungeon in Tir for extra Fun!
So yes, now is the time to do things!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 09, 2013, 12:02:24 am
In other news, I went and killed a mutant sasquatch for a daily quest. The reward was 3 intact shyllien which is a material you can get only at rA. Looks like the different daily quests in the reserve (bunnies, plants, and sasquatches) give the three different tiers of shyllien (crystals, regular, and intact). So.. do those, if you can, please. Free mats for killing stuff? It's not like we don't already slaughter huge amounts of all mobs already.
Regarding Sasquatches they are found in District 2, which is filled with clusters of carnivorous plants (both large and small). The large plants can cast fireball so be very cautious. Sasquatches are found in the way back so you'll need to pull them out if you want to get them. Once they're pulled out, activate mana shield to protect yourself from the errant attacks that it can manage to pull off, hold down the control key to autotarget the sasquatch, and click like mad. Literally. That is ALL I did to kill a sasquatch: spam normal attack. If you attack it while it tries to load skills like windmill or stomp, it'll cancel. You can even keep slashing it after its passive defense activates if you click enough. This is probably because they can't be knocked back, only stunned.
Also regarding District 2, it appears to have a pretty decent amount of blue nodes just lying in the open for the gatherers. I didn't bother getting any this time, but if you're alone and want to do some ecology, go to district 2 and get the safe blue areas.
Spoiler: tl;dr (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2013, 05:29:59 am
Worth noting: The 2x skill event lasts UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH! This is prime time to rank up the difficult skills, like blacksmithing, hillwen, magic craft, enchant, etc. If you've got the same talent, you get 4x skill rate (!) and there is NOT a Hillwen or MC talent.
With this in mind, I'll be running raft spams for anyone that needs exploration exp. We can get to 10 easily, 15 or 20 with patience. That's fairly valuable AP to spend during this double event. We should also work to get everyone through the daily shadows for the possible 3 AP per day, and we can work on the Hillwen Zombie Mine dungeon in Tir for extra Fun!
So yes, now is the time to do things!
Does this mean the account access issue has already been fixed? Hooray!
Also I will be around for the reserve run(s), but I may stay off for the rest of the time because I went and got myself addicted to spore again. Luckily I'm about to hit space stage, so that shouldn't last too much longer (((ZING) Really though spore you're an okay game once you get over the hype, space stage just lasts way too long) Winged space crab supremecy).
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 09, 2013, 09:51:11 am
I'd also like to note I'm modifying my request: I'll also provide the iron. Basically what this means is I'll throw all my ingots, a manual, and a couple fine leathers at someone and hopefully a sword will be formed.
...a stack of each ingot will be enough right?
Post by: Girlinhat on August 09, 2013, 11:40:56 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 09, 2013, 04:03:30 pm
Does this mean the account access issue has already been fixed? Hooray!
Winged space crab supremecy.
The Holy Imperium of Studio Ghibli mascots will DESTROY YOU!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 09, 2013, 04:35:47 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 09, 2013, 07:05:09 pm
I never received a message from Laur, so I'm not sure where we're going with this GM-transfer. Presumably, if we can get him on, I will be tossing it over to Bar until everyone can find a suitable long term replacement..?
Post by: Seriyu on August 09, 2013, 10:29:58 pm
EDIT: Wait, do people need to be online to transfer it to them? If so I can wait around.
EDIT2: Also Dir wants the wizard suit you didn't manage to sell back as he would like to use it himself!
Post by: Kaitol on August 10, 2013, 01:09:08 am
I've also been toying with the idea of how well long range archery and gunslinging might synergize. Ap and a gold is a bit tight to start toying around with that just yet though.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2013, 01:13:41 am
It could provide "alternative close-range ranged" but then kinda what's the point?
Post by: Kaitol on August 10, 2013, 02:07:29 am
But you are the resident bow expert.
But then again where's the fun in that? I might still try it out far in the future just for the heck of it. (I'm a closet masochist. I will take the most painful aggravating way just in a futile attempt to be different. It's a character flaw)
On another note, anyone have an idea off the top of their head which... attack... 'tree' Costs the least AP? I would figure it out but it's quite late and I hate doing maths. ( oh god stop thinking up more character ideas me. I already have four accounts!)
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2013, 11:21:50 am
Post by: krisslanza on August 10, 2013, 11:33:18 am
I'll never understand why you even need alts... The game is specifically built to let you play one character for years.
Jack of all trade characters are booooring.
Also it just bothers me to have every skill on someone. Unless you're like, Shakespeare or something. Or just ran out of skills to rank up in your initial skills...
Post by: Kaitol on August 10, 2013, 12:35:35 pm
Gunslinger: 1310 AP
Puppetry:1957 AP (including both marionettes)
Archery: 1992 AP (including crossbow and spidershot)
Combat: 2074 AP (only including one mastery and discluding counterpunch, doppleganger, and berserk)
Lancer: 2104 AP
Martial Arts: 2154 AP
Combat Alchemy: 2685 AP (discluding everything from the transmutation talent)
Magic: 3312 AP (discluding the holy arts, blaze, potion lore, and enchant, specializing in only one element would be much cheaper, this is with all elements)
A few surprises. Mainly lancer costing slightly more than combat despite combat being so much more robust. All in all they're fairly balanced more or less, unless you want to be an uber master of all combat magic. Have to pay out the nose for that. And with the upcoming addition of snapcast and mana walk its going to get more pricey.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 10, 2013, 12:54:33 pm
Combat ftw yeah wooo
Post by: Seriyu on August 10, 2013, 08:18:50 pm
EDIT: Also link is in the OP.
Also magic crafting people, when you put in an order for hillwen for magic firewood, please tell me how much you need because making hillwen base is terrible skill exp and I'd rather spend as little time as possible doing it.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2013, 08:56:02 pm
3 Firewood = 1 Average Firewood
3 Average Firewood = 1 Fine Firewood
3 Fine Firewood = 3 Finest Firewood
8 Fine Firewood = 1 Composite Bow
8 Fine Firewood = 72 Firewood
Carpentry is infinitely nested pain.
Post by: Seriyu on August 10, 2013, 09:08:23 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 10, 2013, 09:10:10 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 10, 2013, 10:58:35 pm
Steam could be a problem seeing as I lag enough as it is without it running in the background occasionally eating up far more resources than it needs...hmmm. Plus the overlay never freaking works.
This guilds needing premium shenanigans is kind of hilariously stupid. Just without the hilarious part. I suppose I could rebirth and reset Sigfrain and work on making her something totally different at least for now. Haven't really tried dual wielding...
Post by: Seriyu on August 11, 2013, 12:11:53 am
Hopefully soon the guild will be renewed but I make no promises.
EDIT: Side note - I HAVE AN ASSLOAD OF UNKNOWN ORE. Who needs what ore/bars?
Please specify the metal type and whether or not it's an ore or ingot please. If it's just iron specify how much. Presume I can meet any order. I'd like to use some of this for training, which is why I added the iron clause. I've got no issue with you ordering excess to hold on to for future stuff however. Also note I can only convert up to silver as of yet.
I've got about 280 or so unknown ore, so I can make up to....
70 iron ore fragments/bars
17 copper ore fragments/bars
4 silver ore/bars
Note I have some spare silver and gold ore from old Ozy, so I can easily pass that on to you if you need either of them.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 11, 2013, 01:01:11 am
Otherwise just train up what you need and put the excess in silver, it being the rarest of the actually useful items...
I could use all sorts of ore though for raising Refining.
Post by: Seriyu on August 11, 2013, 01:50:52 am
Post by: Skyrunner on August 11, 2013, 10:17:42 am
Post by: majikero on August 11, 2013, 10:59:59 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 11, 2013, 05:48:57 pm
Copper is useless. Abundant, unused, cheap . ;D
This is very true! It's part of the reason I pushed metal conversion again in the first place. :P
Since MP potions is a byproduct now, I can practically throw thunder around as a normal attack especially if I can get the new wand upgraded for cast speed. This is very much true for chaincast firebolt.
Magic Crafting has truly turned wizards into howitzers.
Reminder, me and laur are still in the steam chat. Get in here if you cannot access the guild for whatever reason. Or if you just want to be in. I suppose.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 11, 2013, 11:53:03 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 12, 2013, 12:24:37 pm
Since I won't really be in combat guess that means I can turn on steam though.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 12, 2013, 08:18:59 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 13, 2013, 01:56:59 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2013, 02:05:35 pm
Additionally, future content will include "Heavy Armor Mastery" as well as equivalents for other armor types. Elves can learn Heavy, and take a massive 50% penalty to dex even at r1, while humans take something like 20% and giants only take like 15%. Seems to imply that in future updates, elves will be able to, but discouraged from, equipping heavy armor.
Post by: Kaitol on August 13, 2013, 10:11:16 pm
Now the Choice... paladin or dark knight.. To be perfectly honest I think the final form of dark knight looks silly compared to the earlier forms. (I also kinda feel the same about falcon and beast to be honest. Beasts just come out looking like yetis and falcons get rid of those cool arabian-esque robes for... feathers.) Plus the random stat rolls and lack of additional protection... I mean sure they can control a monster but...
Post by: Graknorke on August 13, 2013, 10:15:18 pm
Mages really are squishy and defenseless aren't they. I do not know how I keep forgetting this. You know it's bad when you can't even do Alby normal without running off to heal and chug potions every couple of hits you get on the boss.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 13, 2013, 10:41:52 pm
transtalkControl of Darkness shouldn't be a deciding factor in Pally vs DK. It never has a 100% success rate and each stack of dark fomor scroll thingies costs 10k. But Soul of Chaos lasts forever (as long as you have the skill to stay alive at deadly status forever) and while CoD is expensive as heck, it IS useful for the Arc Lich.... which we will pretty much never be strong enough to battle, so it doesn't matter.
Many people agree on the Infra Black weirdness, though. And by "many people" I mean Bar. I think it's supposed to represent the... true evil side of Milletians... which is that we are pretty much eldritch aliens
Well.Mage is a pretty bad start, I'd recommend at least r1-ing Smash and perhaps Windmill for the times that you a) don't want to spend MP/time loading spells or b) things get in your face. Defense also wouldn't hurt for the amount of permanent defense and HP it gives, and of course Combat Mastery is nice because of HP and balance. And of course learn Mana Shield when possible, it is just great for everybody.
Mages really are squishy and defenseless aren't they. I do not know how I keep forgetting this. You know it's bad when you can't even do Alby normal without running off to heal and chug potions every couple of hits you get on the boss.
This might change in a few weeks to a month when the Zero update comes out, making 5 intelligence equal 1 magic attack instead of the current 20, which should boost bolt damage early on. Maybe. For now if you want to remain a pure mage with no other skills, it'll be suffering. Especially alone.
And also, I don't want to admit it but I'm losing my extreme super magic crafting drive. I blame it on the people in district 2 making it all crowded and impossible to gather (you can gather but it won't last long, I'm just looking for excuses). Plus I'm super busy these days. plus monster hunter
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2013, 10:48:51 pm
Early on, mages are pretty bad, sirAaron is right about that. But as time goes on some pretty amazing stuff happens, namely you're getting a head start on your intelligence which raises mana shield efficiency (a big deal), getting more int for magic attack (which as sirAaron said will be quadrupling here in a month or two, this will not be quadrupling magic damage straight up, keep in mind, but it's a pretty significant boost, especially for int magic), and as soon as you get a chain cast fire wand and the money to maintain it you will have a rather effective "Fuck everything" option for the mid to early late game. It's stil fairly potent in the late game but you can't just bust it out and expect everything to die suddenly. Also see fusion magic.
With that said, SirAaron's advice isn't bad. Getting smash and windmill to a decent rank will give you the capability to defend yourself when your mana runs out and when multiaggro sets in.
The squishy thing is true for everyone early on, although if you are getting hit a lot you need to try to avoid that via defense and counter. You aren't meant to take hits in mabi, at least not until you get heavy armor and a pretty significant amount of levels and health. If you need some help with combat, ask in the thread! I'll give you a rundown.
Post by: krisslanza on August 13, 2013, 10:59:45 pm
Paladin has always looked better, in my opinion. Even if it doesn't have anything to really make it special, beyond I think having the highest HP, Def, and Prot?
Post by: Girlinhat on August 13, 2013, 11:16:16 pm
Or just choose whatever color looks neatest.
Post by: Kaitol on August 13, 2013, 11:30:09 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 14, 2013, 09:37:49 am
Post by: majikero on August 14, 2013, 09:49:25 am
Post by: krisslanza on August 14, 2013, 09:52:17 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 14, 2013, 10:38:01 am
Post by: Graknorke on August 14, 2013, 02:45:44 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 14, 2013, 02:59:44 pm
I'm stuck at 50+ for a whole month. Fffffffffffff
Post by: Girlinhat on August 14, 2013, 03:05:07 pm
Kaitol: Always read the fine print, or simply ask, before you do something that seems odd because of an event or rumor. We on the forums have the collective knowledge of 'nearly everything' and can tell you how any given point works.
And keep going. I'm pushing level 90 right now.
Post by: Kaitol on August 14, 2013, 03:10:43 pm
Well... I guess I still could I'd just need a way to get a big chunk of AP quickly... Maybe the next generation does...
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 14, 2013, 03:14:23 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 14, 2013, 03:24:13 pm
Guns need little lag and are very reliant on precise timing and moving around a lot. You can't just stand there and shoot stuff like bows or magic. Unless you turn on way of the gun. Then you can stand there and shoot stuff for half a minute.
Post by: majikero on August 14, 2013, 03:37:35 pm
I kinda like guns so far. My problem is reloading in high stress situations. If you ran out of bullets in the middle of a clusterfuck, make sure you have a decent alternative on the other weapon slot.
Post by: alexwazer on August 14, 2013, 06:23:31 pm
And also, I don't want to admit it but I'm losing my extreme super magic crafting drive. I blame it on the people in district 2 making it all crowded and impossible to gather (you can gather but it won't last long, I'm just looking for excuses). Plus I'm super busy these days. plus monster hunter
Kinda expected that, but not from you :P
I just hope people that were planning to rank the new crafting skills will take advantage of the double life skill training. Otherwise it will only be harder to find the will to work on those. I've been doing some dailies here and there in both the reserve and the mine and with various characters. I still plan to help people with that, but not to the point of doing all the job *hints hints* ;)
In other news, I decided to ignore guns on Kyu and instead try fighter skills. I'm liking those so far so I'll probably stick to that and alchemy on this character.
Post by: majikero on August 14, 2013, 06:26:21 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 14, 2013, 06:56:42 pm
Post by: Graknorke on August 14, 2013, 06:59:45 pm
Granoke: You try that. It seems everyone has to learn that dedicated mage is VERY difficult to maintain, and impossible for a new player.Oh no, I understand it just fine. I'm just stubborn and don't want to accept it.
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2013, 08:10:48 pm
Some hints: You can link an additional hit onto the end of your combo by delaying hits. So if you have a 2 hit weapon, if you hit once, wait a little bit, then attack again, wait a little bit more, you can attack a third time desipte the fact that the weapon is a two hit weapon. If you need to squeeze out as much damage as possible, that extra hit is an extra potential crit that can easily turn the tides. Note you can use smash mid combo too. If smash crits you've pretty much won. This also applies for enemies, so don't let them smash you. You really don't hear a lot about smash over windmill but it's honestly a monster if it hits, it's just really easy to counter, so don't let it happen. This tactic pretty much sums up melee mabinogi combat, it doesn't initially look like it but you can very easily link various skills together until things die. I personally like an extended combo with a smash finisher, assault slash after that, and after they get up if they're in melee range, windmill.
As a mage, this is particularly valuble, if you're up against a rediculous enemy (note, doesn't work on anything with a ranged attack), firebolt it, load counter, load firebolt asap after he runs into your counter, firebolt him after he gets up, counter again, repeat. It takes a load of stamina and MP but it is basically an invincible defensive stance on anything without magic or ranged. This also works with windmill instead of firebolt, but windmill takes a bit more timing, and it can get very dicey before rank 9 of windmill, when the radius increases.
Part of being a mage is finding out when bolts will load specifically, for instance firebolt will not load during the animation of windmill, but it WILL load during the animation of counterattack.
And a pure magic stalling technique from ole sirAaronIII, one of the two wizards in guild, ice revolver. Load five icebolts, shoot an enemy until it falls over. While it is falling over load another icebolt, then shoot it when it gets up. this will perpetually hold it back until it either dies or someone can help you, or you run out of mana. Doesn't work on things with mana deflector.
If you're having issues with any of these feel free to post in the thread or PM me or whatever.
Post by: Kaitol on August 14, 2013, 11:09:01 pm
My main problem right now is that finding groups for what you need without a guild is painful. I tried for like a week to do the G1 finale on like three different characters, and I found one (very incompetent) group (that failed ignobly). Finally I just caved and waited till people were active on the weekend and asked the guild.
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2013, 01:00:39 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 15, 2013, 01:09:32 am
Maybe I should make it more obvious that I need help....
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 15, 2013, 06:42:01 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2013, 07:16:40 am
Well I did make some parties on channel one but it was more like [Dungeon]Albey/Green Gem-Black OrbJust try "Help/G1" and let them know what specific dungeon you're doing when they get on.
Maybe I should make it more obvious that I need help....
When I try to go into Hillwen Mine I get stopped by the spy dudes. How do I get past them to use the elevator?If you abandon/complete your current EP then the warp helper will appear to let you enter the mine/reserve properly.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 15, 2013, 07:51:24 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2013, 08:04:12 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 15, 2013, 08:29:09 am
Post by: majikero on August 15, 2013, 09:16:29 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 15, 2013, 09:19:41 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 15, 2013, 05:08:27 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Talk to caravan Joe to start the event. With the life skill x2 potions you could have x6 life skill exp this month... crazy.
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2013, 05:17:25 pm
Well I did make some parties on channel one but it was more like [Dungeon]Albey/Green Gem-Black Orb
Maybe I should make it more obvious that I need help....
I would definitely add a help and see if that brings out the helpful people. :P
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2013, 06:49:04 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2013, 06:50:22 pm
Go rep the hell out of the guild.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2013, 07:15:44 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 15, 2013, 08:11:21 pm
I did the event with all 3 of my characters and got 4 life potions out of it. So the odds seems really good. I think both Laur and Aco also got at least one. And, as said Girl, it's really easy. I was able to solo it with Kyu without any issue. Also, it's 3 AP per day, for doing something that takes like 10 minutes.
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2013, 08:13:01 pm
Also if double life training potions are tradable that'd be great too but I somehow doubt they are. I somehow doubt either of them are, but a man can dream. :P
Post by: alexwazer on August 15, 2013, 08:17:22 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 15, 2013, 08:20:18 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 15, 2013, 08:25:18 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on August 15, 2013, 08:36:42 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on August 15, 2013, 08:53:47 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 15, 2013, 10:44:33 pm
My IGN is Valarok, if yall's feel like adding me, btw.
Post by: Kaitol on August 15, 2013, 11:23:55 pm
"Congratulations, you have a moderately old computer that runs the game pretty well but takes a minute or two loading in new areas?! Get fucked! Roflroflroflrofl."
Nothing pisses me off more than poor game design. Spawning players within aggro range of archers? Bad game design. Add like a 30 second timer or something before mobs spawn in or SOMETHING guys come on.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 16, 2013, 12:22:40 am
Can anyone help me with the Fusion Bolt quest? I need someone with a lightning wand and lightning bolt. I have the Ice portion of the quest.I'll add you so I can help... tomorrow. True fact, you don't actually need a lightning wand to fuse the magic with another person. Maybe to get Stewart to give you the quest to unlock it, though. But I have one anyway so whatever.
event infoWhoa, I gotta get in on this...... tomorrow, though. I'd swear it had already started though.
I did the event with all 3 of my characters and got 4 life potions out of it. So the odds seems really good. I think both Laur and Aco also got at least one.Wow.
I was able to solo it with Kyu without any issue. Also, it's 3 AP per day, for doing something that takes like 10 minutes.Wow :P
I probably won't be able to do it on my weak cumulative 40 elf though. Shucks.
Also Monster Hunter is enraging me because of fiendishly low drop rates, so I'll probably be playing again so I can enjoy........ fiendishly low drop rates. The craft boat sails on!... that was a terrible metaphor
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 16, 2013, 10:23:52 am
Groups, however...
*Shudder*
Post by: Kaitol on August 16, 2013, 05:30:53 pm
Fuck gorgons.
Post by: Seriyu on August 16, 2013, 05:40:18 pm
Gorgons. Killed me three times. Golem boss? Never even hit me.
Fuck gorgons.
Gorgons are terrible and while I wish I could help more I seem to have forgotten the trick to them. I want to say windmill repeatedly worked pretty well? Take that with a grain of salt.
I find Way of the Gun to be an instant win button against almost any single enemy.
Groups, however...
*Shudder*
Yeah that's.... most skills. It's good that you've got single combat down though, now you can move to multi aggro! For multi it's important to note you'll have to take a few hits. If you can't yet either work on your attack power until that's not an issue or work on your HP/def/prot. With guns as a mid range attack with no charge up time it should be fairly easy to deal with once you've gotten to that point. Keep at it! Just remember that no one skill is going to dispatch an entire room of enemies besides maybe windmill if you get a lucky crit.
The combat in this game is basically about windmill.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 16, 2013, 08:23:43 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on August 16, 2013, 08:41:39 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 16, 2013, 09:10:13 pm
I actually do pretty well without windmill with guns. Shooting Rush makes a very nice longer ranged substitute, even if I'm sacrificing the 360 degrees of foot action.
Oh yeah, totally, I just mean windmill is avery useful skill for pretty much any skillset. Worth ranking for just about everyone! I believe that is possibly the only universal skill in that sense.
so, I don't know exactly what I'm doing. I did a combat tutorial and it's hard
You're going to have to be more specific.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 16, 2013, 10:16:05 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on August 17, 2013, 12:33:34 am
Gorgons are terrible and while I wish I could help more I seem to have forgotten the trick to them. I want to say windmill repeatedly worked pretty well? Take that with a grain of salt.
Windmill is for single-gorgon trolling or multi-gorgon panic mode. Throw in assault slash in an attempt gain enough distance to put an extra second between you and the next train headed your way so you can raise counter, then mash defense, and finally, enjoy getting mauled anyways. :P
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 07:41:01 am
EDIT: Also, price check on 10 cm Garnet.
DOUBLE EDIT: Does being fat affect you in any way other than cosmetically?
TRI-TRI-TRI-TRIPLE EDIT: Does anyone have a female character who can help me with the Mana Shield quest?
Post by: alexwazer on August 17, 2013, 09:11:49 am
The Enchant skill's tooltip mentions extracting magic powder and enchant scrolls from weapons. How would I go about doing these things?
When a piece of equipment has enchant(s) on it, you can drop in on a campfire and try to get enchant scroll and magic powder from it. This is highly unreliable however. You also need a mana herb and holy water for that to work, so it is generally a waste :-\ Higher quality wood and enchanting skill increase the chance to get something.
EDIT: Also, price check on 10 cm Garnet.
No idea about that, but gems, except for diamonds, are usually not that good sellers. They are mostly used to feed spirit weapons.
DOUBLE EDIT: Does being fat affect you in any way other than cosmetically?
It only affects appearance.
TRI-TRI-TRI-TRIPLE EDIT: Does anyone have a female character who can help me with the Mana Shield quest?
A few people in the guild have female characters. I don't however. Try to get in touch with Direzie, Laur or Acolyte0
Also, hot-time event for the week-end. Log in before 7pm PDT (9pm central, 10pm est). Friday's was gold and misc items, tonight, saturday, is ducats or items (*pokes* Seriyu, that could help with getting that bag you want :P), including a rusty hammer of proficiency, apparently a new item that instantly gives 100% proficiency, and so magic powder used to feed ego. Although, knowing Mabi's RNG, we'll all get wounds potions ::) Finally, sunday will give AP. Grand prize, which none of us will get, is 1000 AP and normal is anywhere between 1 and 100 AP.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 17, 2013, 11:02:42 am
Fat does nothing.
Burning enchants is actually extremely valuable. It's the only practical way to raise enchanting skill and many items come enchanted with things they don't use, like I've got a handicraft kit of +INT but if I burned it and got the enchant off it, I could apply it to magical clothing instead. There's a lot of daggers and gloves that have good enchants for different items.
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 11:44:01 am
Also, why is Kusina such a homophobe? I mean, you'd think such a love-smitten girl would be more accepting of people's love but noooope. Gotta be a guy and a girl or you're not really in love.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 17, 2013, 12:34:38 pm
You don't even need to be there I don't think though. It seems you only need to be the leader in a 2 person party, the other-gendered person can be anywhere else.
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 12:52:27 pm
On another note, something odd happened to me. I started a battle alchemist for the luls and in anticipation of the patch in a few months *Want that free magic carpet pet for storage yo* And did an Alby run. But halfway through the white spiders, and enemies in general suddenly got harder. Before it took two water blast charges to kill a white spider. Then all of a sudden even five wouldn't kill them in one shot. The entire dungeon became tedious.
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2013, 04:35:15 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 04:51:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2013, 05:20:02 pm
In other news, the hillwen mine is completely abandoned and the few people that are there I suspect are there for the emerald cores for the most recent EP. So I will pretty much perpetually need a party to roll through anyplace higher then B1, maybe B2 on a good day. Let me know if you're interested if I'm on!
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 08:33:45 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 17, 2013, 08:37:59 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 09:10:13 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 17, 2013, 09:18:31 pm
After tomorrow's HT, I'm going to be taking some time off Mabi. Except for a few days after the last patch, there hasn't been a whole lot of activity in the guild lately. As for doing stuff on my own, I kinda got bored. I spend about 90% of my time either getting AP or training skills to use that AP. Doing random stuff can be fun, but doing so alone get old quickly.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 09:30:07 pm
DAMN THIS THING IS AMAZING I'M LAUNCHING RAPID FIRE BOLTS OF FIRE THAT DO TONS OF DAMAGE LELELELELELE
Post by: majikero on August 17, 2013, 09:43:27 pm
The best fusion is fire/ice and ice/lightning. Fire/lightning isn't worth it.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 09:46:53 pm
Post by: majikero on August 17, 2013, 09:48:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 17, 2013, 09:52:38 pm
Also I missed the hot time AAAGGGHHHH STUPID TIME ZONES
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 09:53:10 pm
It sucks that you actually have to use the spells in their boring unfused state to rank it up though.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 09:56:37 pm
What are the exact differences between the starter ice wand, the normal ice wand, and the crown ice wand?
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 10:03:13 pm
Post by: majikero on August 17, 2013, 10:06:05 pm
The normal fire/ice/lightning wands can get chaincast. The phoenix fire/crystal lightning/crown ice gets: cast speed to fire, mp reduction+damage reduction to lightning, magic damage up to ice.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2013, 10:12:31 pm
And a side note on fusion bolt, you may have noticed already but if you cast 5 charges of fire-ice, then shoot 3 of those bolts, then try to refill to get back to 5 charges, you'll erase the last 2 unused charges. So always shoot all 5 all the time.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 10:19:50 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2013, 10:22:26 pm
(I'm a cheapskate)
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 10:26:45 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 17, 2013, 10:28:14 pm
In other news, the hotspot or whatever gave me 50 stamina 50 SE potions! As if you ever get potion poisoning from stamina pots.I was wondering why I got a stack of wound potions out of nowhere...
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 10:30:11 pm
EDIT: The artisan upgrade is nice looking...
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2013, 10:35:53 pm
But don't get the artisan upgrade, it's luck-based and knowing Mabi's RNG you'll probably get only +2 int. Plus it's expensive, both in gold and prof.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 17, 2013, 10:41:28 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2013, 10:45:54 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 17, 2013, 11:16:30 pm
You COULD just leave it at 4 out of 5 upgrades but I can totally understand not wanting that.
Post by: Seriyu on August 18, 2013, 12:03:22 am
Let's look at the starter ice wand. Wiki page is here (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Ice_Wand), open it up, scroll down to the upgrade table.
First some simple facts, you can normally upgrade a weapon five times. For the purposes of remaining consistant with the wiki, these slots are 0 1 2 3 4, so 0 is the first slot, etc. I hate how the wiki numbers these things but hey consistancy. The only way to remove an upgrade is artisan upgrade removal kits, and even then they will only remove artisan upgrades. I'll explain them seperately, as they are VERY SPECIAL!
So, on the table it's mostly self explanatory except for "UG#". That's the upgrade slots that upgrade can take. So the first upgrade on the list, "Ice elemental resonance" can go in the first three slots. You'll need to upgrade it three seperate times if you want it to take up all three, every seperate upgrade only takes up one slot. You go to the respective NPC(s) in the NPC column, click the upgrade button in their dialogue, and then find the upgrade. Sometimes the upgrade names in the wiki aren't consistant with the english names for whatever reason, so just look at the stats if you can't find the name. You pay them some gold, it uses up some proficiency (22 for example with ice elemental resonance), and walla upgraded wand. So despite 100 prof being the maximum prof for gear, you may well need more then that to upgrade it all the way. Upgrades can be done in different sessions obviously. Upgrades DO NOT raise repair cost or change anything that they do not explicitly state they are changing.
Those are basic upgrades. Artisan upgrades are like them BUT there are usually only a few NPCs that can do them, they usually cost an metric ton of gold, they always use 100 prof, they always take up the last normal upgrade slot, and they randomly roll the stats. So for beginner ice wand...
It will first roll to apply any of these stats at all. It's not possible to get an artisan upgrade that applies nothing (I think) but it's entirely possible you could blow all your money on an ice wand artisan upgrade and get +5 int and nothing else. Underwhelming to say the least.
Second, it will roll the stats that did get applied and see what value they end up at. So for instance it's possible for it to roll up to +80 intelligence which is quite a huge amount of intelligence.
So the best possible artisan upgrade for an ice wand is +80 intelligence +5 HP and +5 MP.
Next up, gem upgrades. The gem upgrade table is below the normal upgrade table. You can only apply a gem upgrade after all five normal upgrades are done. Gem upgrades will typically raise max durability or do some other random thing. Some upgrade chains will end with very low max dura so it largely depends on where you want your dura at.
Gem upgrades always use 100 prof, and need 3 gems. In the case of the Ice Wand Gem Upgrade 1 you need a garnet of at least 1 cm, a ruby of at least 2 cm, and an aquamarine of at least 4cm. The gem requirements will change between upgrades and weapons.
After gem upgrades is the final stop, special upgrades. These are universal between weapons, and these are what you're missing out on with your beginner wand. They're not bad, but definitely something you get later on when you're more well established, and a cheap repair wand is always nice to have.
Special upgrades need upgrade stones. They're rare drops from high end dungeons, events, ancients, and generally everything that is hard-ish to do. They come in two varieties, Red, which raises critical rate, and blue which raises min-max damage (it raises your magic attack by a percentage in the case of a wand). You can only apply one color to any given weapon. Both of these do different things to cylinders, if you want to know more about that (or specific numbers) go here (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Special_Upgrade), they're in the tables.
That's about it for special upgrades, with one catch. Normally a failed special upgrade will drop it's special upgrade level by one, so ou have to do it again. BUT, if you special upgrade from 5 to 6, it will be destroyed instantly. So.... don't do that.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 18, 2013, 12:59:32 am
If an upgrade is listed as "0~3" that means "while the item is in this range, the upgrade is available to fill the next slot".
Another way to read it is "when the item is listed at this, the upgrade is available." For instance, if your weapon is at 3/5 upgrades, then any upgrade listed at "3" will fit onto it.
Also worth noting! Fomor weapons cannot be specially upgraded! The red/blue stones do not fit onto them. This makes them "Good to use, but lacking the true end-game power."
The only thing I've not seen really explained, is how your wand/staff damage rating applies to spells you cast...
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 18, 2013, 01:04:26 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 18, 2013, 04:11:02 pm
Few more questions:
How much is a Gold Ingot worth?
How do I make my trading advertisements appear automatically in chat like other people?
What does NMO mean?
Post by: majikero on August 18, 2013, 04:15:32 pm
Opening a party and putting it in the party board will show it to anyone in the channel. Forming it as a dungeon party seems to be standard.
Gold doesn't see much demand so dunno about it.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 18, 2013, 04:28:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 18, 2013, 06:03:38 pm
Post by: majikero on August 18, 2013, 06:42:32 pm
Edit.
ONLY 1 hour till free AP. A chance to get 1000AP but you'll probably get 1-100AP.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 12:07:02 am
1: Everyone kills the mobs that spawn at the front half, and they respawn near the large rear crystal, causing the front to be totally empty and the rear to be totally packed. Because of this, Fireball works HILARIOUSLY in the area, easily hitting 50+ enemies at once if you hit the right zone. This can both clear enemies quickly, and train Fireball and Fire Mastery very quickly!
It doesn't kill all the sasquatch, giant plants, or various ancients, but it'll clear a LOT of enemies, and another ball or two will empty the rest.
2: Fire Elementals applied to clothing and armor give fire resistance. With clothing, shoes, gloves, left + right weapons (wand and shield), hat, both accessories, and robe set to Fire (that's 9 total) you will take exactly 1 damage from ANY fire attack, including fireball, effectively making you immune to the large plants throwing fireballs at you. You must be wearing Clothing, and you'll take some extra damage from the lightning bolt, but it's a gain overall.
Unfortunately you still take the knockback, so while you're unhurt, it'll still disrupt any gathering you're doing.
With these two things in mind, I think we might be able to harvest the Large Crystal of Infinite Pure Shylien sooner than we'd previously thought...
Similar tactics may apply to Hillwen.
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 12:14:03 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 07:50:09 am
ALSO this fireball tomfoolery is great for ranking Ecology - as you kill the giant mass of enemies, a lot of them will drop plant mutagen bits, and that's training for Ecology, so you can get some decent training with minimal effort.
Seriously this is like the holy grail of training everything!
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 12:36:47 pm
EDIT: Also, am I right when I say that just about any weapon can be used in the late-game, because upgrades? I mean, there are better and worse weapons, but most of them seem to be on the same level.
I say this mostly because I'm thinking of going Scimitar and Shield with my elf.
Looking at the upgrades you can get, I'm also pretty sure you could get the min damage higher than the max, theoretically.
DOUBLEEDIT: Is there a limit to how powerful a spirit weapon can get?
Post by: Kaitol on August 19, 2013, 01:32:06 pm
Yes min damage can get higher.
Yes. But its really friggin powerful. Wands are a bit of a crapshoot though I hear. You don't really get much but critrate out of a spirit wand I think. And its special attack.
And there really isn't much else you can do with a melee elf, unless you get your hands on a rapier or a scythe or something.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 01:33:20 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 19, 2013, 01:41:29 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 19, 2013, 04:44:05 pm
And yes, any weapon can do fine in the end. Of course as you said, some are better than others.
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 05:10:09 pm
If you intend to do a lot of dungeons or even particularly long shadow missions eventually you might buy two to swap out when the first one breaks. It might last through one or maybe even two runs but you'll definitely be repairing it a lot, so keep that in mind. Luckily repairs seem to be very cheap.
As for an upgrade path, since you're an elf you get positively rediculous dex growth on levels as kaitol mentioned so I'd go for as high of max damage as possible, as outside of those upgrades it doesn't really pack much of a punch which can be an issue. Particularly for elves, because they don't really get a ton of strength growth on levels to boost the damage otherwise.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 05:23:51 pm
Let's take a look at the composite bow!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 05:53:53 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 05:57:45 pm
(also don't mind numbers, from what I hear the general "powergaming decision" is to just raise max damage as high as possible. So if you'd rather just get it done and move on that's probably a safe bet in any case. If we come across some huge breakthrough then it'd be easy to just buy another scimitar and reupgrade it. I assure you upgrade costs will not be a big deal at all with time.)
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 06:15:25 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 06:31:08 pm
In future patches, armor is going to reduce your dex by a percentage, making it tougher to get balance, so having a weapon with high balance and small variance may matter more than sheer brute-force max damage!
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 06:54:17 pm
So basically I'd suggest using light armor, which is and will continue to be a nice balance between melee and magic and go from there as you're getting an idea of what you want to do exactly.
Post by: majikero on August 19, 2013, 07:06:27 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 07:22:08 pm
Can golems be knocked down, and will crits from guns stun them?
BECAUSE STUFF IS GOING DOWN AND I'M QUITE ILL-PREPARED.
EDIT: Okay, everything I said was right, and spamming Ice/Fire bolt fusion is as much a win button as Way of the Gun.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 07:32:05 pm
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Heavy_Armor_Mastery
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Light_Armor_Mastery
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Shield_Mastery
These are things coming in the future. Notice how Heavy Armor Mastery imposes a dex penalty to all races, implying elves will be able to wear heavy armor regularly.
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 07:41:37 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 19, 2013, 07:44:55 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 19, 2013, 07:47:28 pm
EDIT: Also, thanks for all the help so far guys. I'm a lot more involved in the game with this character than with my last, and I've gotten into more stuff than I'm accustomed to.
Post by: Seriyu on August 19, 2013, 11:12:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 19, 2013, 11:34:16 pm
Also does anyone want any of the lucky feet? I have many feet, and they don't sell for anything, so I'd rather give the terrible 1 luck ones to you guys than throw them out. If you bring me feet maybe I'll give you a 5 luck one! :P
(No but seriously ask me for lucky feet I'll give them to you)
Post by: Seriyu on August 20, 2013, 12:18:52 am
A big ole consolidated list of all the merlin changes. (http://mabination.com/threads/74288-Mabinogi-Zero-Merlin-Update-(Information-Consolidated-and-Organized))
Now you can go to a single place for all your "fawning over upcoming changes" needs.
Post by: Kaitol on August 20, 2013, 12:31:30 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 20, 2013, 01:10:02 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 20, 2013, 08:05:36 am
Start planning now to get 30% Base Balance on your chosen weapons. Expect crafted weapons to become more valuable due to their increased balance.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2013, 05:01:31 pm
tl;dr Max dex is 50%, Combat mastery is 15%, sword mastery is 15%, and many weapons have acceptable amounts of balance.
Post by: Seriyu on August 20, 2013, 05:37:34 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 20, 2013, 06:53:07 pm
I am probably wrong though.
The Dowra seems to favor builds that focus on attacking more than using abilities, due to the higher range, high rate of fire, high crit chance, but low damage.
The Taunes seems to favor builds that focus on using abilities more than attacking, due to the medium range, slow rate of fire, low crit chance, but high damage.
I think the Dowra might be a better weapon as a whole though, because the Range, Speed, Crit, and Magazine size all seem to make up for the lower damage and then some. Plus, mana bullets add a flat amount of damage, which tells me that the Dowra can best use the higher damage bullets.
I haven't actually gotten the chance to use either weapon yet, but I think I have the gist?
EDIT: Also, that awesome moment when you waste half an hour and two Nao Stones on a dungeon and forget to grab the reward chest at the end which had the item you needed.
Post by: Kaitol on August 20, 2013, 08:01:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2013, 10:21:30 pm
You can get a good feel for Dowras by playing Episode 7, or by the Nightmare event I think.
Post by: Ozyton on August 21, 2013, 04:58:03 pm
I was hoping to get my exploration level up to max before I rebirthed though, for some sweet tasty APs.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 21, 2013, 07:25:01 pm
How do I leave a Guild? I joined an 'active' guild and ended up with a ghost town.
Where's the guild stone at? I checked the spot in Cobh and didn't see it.
Are the range upgrades on guns really worth it? It seems to me like they would be, considering I always seem to be JUST outside of getting a second shot off before enemies reach me.
Post by: majikero on August 21, 2013, 08:17:08 pm
No idea about the stone and guild mechanics.
You can only add 2 range extension for the guns but I prefer the crit upgrades.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 21, 2013, 08:53:32 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 21, 2013, 09:12:56 pm
If it applied to skills I would definitely say always get it but it depends really on taste and how you played.
Guild stone isn't there because the guild expired and nobodies renewed it. So nobody can join. Its really the only massively erroneous feature so far.
Post by: Exerosp on August 21, 2013, 09:57:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 21, 2013, 10:54:09 pm
And Exerosp! Unfortunately our guild is not up. Still, feel free to post in the thread and head to the steam chat (I keep meaning to go in there, I really wish steam had an "auto join X chat" feature.), and just chill until someone shows up. I try to remember to head in there, even if I'm not on for questions.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 22, 2013, 06:58:21 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 22, 2013, 09:23:46 pm
Naturally, since I posted the "get in the chat" thing the other day, I completely forgot about posting it and as a result never got in the chat. Hurf. Rest assured I am litterally in it right now.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 22, 2013, 09:31:59 pm
Post by: Ozyton on August 22, 2013, 09:49:54 pm
If you're in the steam chat remember to click the little down arrow and select 'beep when users send messages' or you may completely miss a conversation.
Post by: Seriyu on August 22, 2013, 11:31:07 pm
Post by: Bel on August 22, 2013, 11:37:20 pm
I do know everyone's bro Ibid is Ibsis now, but at the time I could not remember for the life of me what she was wearing, so have ~*old-school Ibid*~ standing sassily against the stars and looking into the light of the future!! or something.
Spoiler: tl;dr: Big image warning (click to show/hide)
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 23, 2013, 02:32:08 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 23, 2013, 03:35:18 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 23, 2013, 03:46:25 pm
Oooooh this is VERY good!Spoiler: tl;dr: Big image warning (click to show/hide)
Post by: alexwazer on August 23, 2013, 06:36:19 pm
I made a few passes and got 2 for guardian of Avon. Went in and managed to finish the mission, although not so painlessly this time. I got another pass as a reward. Both will expire in 7-8 hours, so they won't be of any use for further GM mission. However, if anyone, or anytwo, is interested, we could do these runs tonight. Having an extra player really makes the final battle much much easier since anyone not being attacked can easily smash/magnum/whatever the boss while the other run around like an headless chicken. Amongst the potential reward for that mission, there's dragon fang, glory sword, trinity gloves and circlet and random stuff like gems.
Post by: Kaitol on August 24, 2013, 10:49:32 pm
And someone randomly gave my adorable little Alice elf a yellow frog umbrella for free to match her Yellow frilly nightgown and yellow shoes =3
(I like cute things too much, so sue me. If only it didn't take TEN WEEKS to rebirth from age ten.. urk. Why couldn't they just make it three years older than the age you started the rebirth from. I mean granted, EVERYBODY would be ten then because stat growths, but still.)
Also, when your vanity slots time out, can you leave the last stuff that was in there indefinitely or will it like, delete it at some point? Wonder if I should bother trying to rush a "permanent look" into the slots before they expire.
Post by: majikero on August 25, 2013, 01:00:46 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 25, 2013, 01:17:19 am
Post by: Ozyton on August 25, 2013, 01:23:00 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 25, 2013, 01:40:12 am
Post by: Girlinhat on August 25, 2013, 11:51:08 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 25, 2013, 05:18:18 pm
I decided to take my puppeteer through Ciar to test out things in an actual combat. It... did not go well. I could kill them easily enough with my puppet, but... the game started doing very strange things. I would hit something with inciting incident, and it would drop my targetting, despite the fact that it wasn't dead. This happened multiple times and with some other skills as well. It didn't happen 100% of the time though. It did get me killed like three times though, because I couldn't retarget quickly enough a few times to prevent goblins from critting me to death.
And then there was aggro. I've run ciar many times training my skill with characters, I use it as a proving grounds of sorts, and I have never had basic goblins aggro like that. I would hit stuff, and it would get up and rush me, but it wouldn't get the !!!. And then another one would get the !!! and attack. Now occasionally I get a second add if it manages to aggro right before I hit my target and aggro it, so I assumed that was what was happening. And then a third and a fourth aggro'd, and I had never even hit them or finished off the first two. I had four normal goblins with aggro on me, when they're single-aggro. You should have two, at MOST. This wasn't a one time thing either, I kept picking up goblins multi-aggroing when they shouldn't.
The only thing I can think of is the puppet messes with aggro rules in some odd way. Along with dropping targeting randomly it just became a lot less viable, because if I can't even make it halfway through floor one of Ciar with six naostones...
Post by: Patchy on August 25, 2013, 06:20:35 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 25, 2013, 06:33:50 pm
Post by: majikero on August 25, 2013, 06:39:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2013, 10:03:50 pm
Also, a reminder: the Rank-up Mania event is ending this Saturday, which means no more 100% repair and no more 2x life skills. I believe the nightmare and treasure box will go on a bit longer, but only by a few days.
And the final episode of the Saga is this Friday for those who care. A while back it was stated to give a Battle Pegasus whistle which sounds rad and also sweet. So be sure to get on that when it's out.
But the most important thing is, I expect the rebalance patch to come out a couple weeks after the last saga episode. Hang on a bit longer!
Post by: Kaitol on August 26, 2013, 10:32:54 pm
Also, what ARE the saga episodes? Are they actual quests in the the storyline so I have to finish earlier generations to get to them? Are they just like movies?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2013, 10:44:43 pm
On sagas, they're kind of a mix of the two: they're storyline quests, but you don't need to finish any other story quests to get to them. You don't even need to do them in order! This can lead to you being more awesome in cutscenes than you actually are. Many quests are somewhat annoying if not outright difficult/frustrating though, so be very prepared. I'm sure Don has a better idea of which parts are harder, as he's done them multiple times for his other characters.
Post by: alexwazer on August 27, 2013, 12:16:12 am
So far, out of the 9 episodes released, the 9th is probably the hardest overall, but if you know what to expect, it isn't the one most likely to get you killed.
The first episode the the longest and also one of the the hardest. The last part will have liches spawn right on you, insta aggro and most likely firebolt (chaincast FB of course) you into oblivion. Any elf shall, after this EP, call Hide "My precious" and have discussion and debate with it. Ranged character will have a hard time, giants even worse. A good windmill skill, a quick play dead and/or using a AoE Pet can make this somewhat less painful.
The second episode is quite a bit shorter, but still one of the longest. It also features the dreaded liches (learn to hate and fear them) and thus is a prime candidate for dying. These only show up in a shadow mission after some Argus (*hint* kill the last Argus far from the spawn point to avoid dying). The second part is a relatively easy dungeon which shouldn't be much of an issue for anyone.
The third episode is a marathon of combat missions. I can't really say how easy or hard it would be for others, but I tend to find these more tedious than hard. Have some potions ready if you plan to run the full EP. You'll face a lot of relatively weak enemies, but be mindful of the poets in the final part (that actually apply to every EP where they show up: aka most of them). A single Dischord could get you from full health to deadly. Use WM, Counterattack or ranged, do not use defence, smash, charge or normal attack.
Episode 4 is mostly about running around chatting with NPCs. The final battle however is the largest battle you'll see for a while. This is also where you first meet the Unknown men. Like liches, learn to hate and fear them. They have some weird not quite advanced stander skill. They can use final hit and will happily spam it every now and then. Unknown men laugh at the very notion of cooldown, they use FH whenever they want... and often cancel it or interrupt their attack for the same reason. You don't actually need to fight in this battle, you only need to wait for something to be finished and, ideally, keep enemies away from the NPC involved. Tons of other NPCs will help, if only by getting smashed all over the place instead of you.
The fifth episode can be the hardest or the easiest depending on what you do. Like episode 3, there is a lot of combat missions, but you get help from other milletians in some of those. In this case, "help" can also mean "whatever, just kill them while I sit back there". Not doing so is likely to get you killed.
Episode 6 is where stuff gets real. Where you will have to think how to best use whatever abilities you have. There is only 1 major battle, but it is against your better (or so the quest pretend :P). Surviving this will require to use tactics you wouldn't normally need or even consider. Depending on your skill focus, this can be boring (but easy), hard and stressful or worse. In this mission, you should try to avoid getting hit at all cost, and this includes while using defence.
Episode 7 is... well episode 7 should have been a single cutscene. There is no challenge here unless you try to get it done in less than 6 hours (in-game hours).
Episode 8 should not be much of a challenge either. There is a few RPs and a single mission you fight as yourself. That one should not be too hard, but having some ranged capabilities (note that I said capabilities, not skills... you just want some range) for pulling mobs away from the spawn point. You will however need drops from both shyllien reserve and hillwen mine. Those could be traded, bought or hunted. Hunting for those could take a while, but should not be too hard if you avoid chewing on more than you can handle.
Episode 9 lets you play as several characters in RPs and then one final battle as yourself. This final battle can and probably will be one of the hardest at this point for most people. You'll be facing some unknown men, but this time you are on your own. Dealing with these is half the battle.
TL;DR : The main challenge for most people will come from the black dragon knight, liches, unknown men and poets (seriously, fear the poets!). Each can be dealt with in various fashion, but you will often have to think and react quickly no matter your chosen method. There is a lot of role play mission. Most of them are not too hard, some are stupidly easy, but some can prove challenging. One suggestion for those: whenever there's some dialogue at the beginning of the mission, take advantage of this pause to set your hotkeys in a way you will feel at home in your new body. Also, always check the skills and items available.
I would gladly go into more details over any of those EP, but that would have to be some other day and it is on the condition that you don't mind spoilers. I tried to avoid them here, but I wouldn't bother if anyone ask for details.
Post by: Seriyu on August 27, 2013, 12:46:19 am
Post by: Kaitol on August 27, 2013, 01:28:45 am
Beyond that I'm a little at a loss for what to do with Sigfrain. Generation 7 and 8 don't really seem... worth the effort. But I'm still so weak that progressing any further seems. Unwise. But outside of quests I level so slowly, and get AP so slowly...
Post by: Seriyu on August 27, 2013, 03:41:22 am
You're right, 6/7 I'm not sure are scaled and are honestly pretty basic and serve mostly as lore vehicles. 6 probably worth skipping as you lose literally nothing from it, no title or anything, and 7 probably worth doing to get the title at the end, along with the privledge to use adniel's horn whenever you damn well feel like it. (adniel's horn is a heavy AoE nuke you can use once a day that can pretty much waste anything, although it does hit you too, so it's best saved for shadow missions where you can nuke the boss and hug the wall. You also can't use it indoors. It is very much worth the effort.)
The current episodes also scale, so again good to do them early, although I'm not sure how much use scaling will be against liches. If it helps, as an elf (I think sigfrein is an elf?) You can litterally toggle hide and walk through the hard part of the first part, and the next lich encounter honestly isn't that bad because you have stuff to use as cover. That + Trans will usually lead to you coming out on top, although thigns are certainly very capable of going terribly wrong. It helps that this gen actually has some pretty dang good plot (there's a bit of a lull in decent plot after gen 3 in my opinion, although it's not super mega bad. The entire alchemy thing really seems tacked on honestly but I'm okay with it because flamethrowers), so you might actually be interested in seeing it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 27, 2013, 02:42:05 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 27, 2013, 08:44:49 pm
If giants got the paladin transformation I might just say fuck it and play him instead. I really do wish all three races got paladin, and then humans got Dark Knight, giants got Beast, and elves got Falcon after gen 3 if they chose. Beast and falcon sort of fit as a bit darker transformation as well. Wild animals and all.
The only things stopping me from just ditching Sigfrain and maining my giant are her mp pool puts his to shame, the fact that I haven't tried final hit yet, giants large lack of apparel options (where the hell can I get a helmet thats not a hairband?), and the fact that Siggy is in the guild. Oh, and that paladin looks much better than Beast.
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 27, 2013, 09:20:15 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 27, 2013, 09:34:42 pm
I'm sure most people already know about the upsides of being a giant already though.
Post by: Seriyu on August 28, 2013, 04:51:09 am
Take the fact that melee is easily the biggest part of the game and they wreck face in it, the magic penalty is negligible (although you will run out of steam notably faster, so it's not exactly ignorable), and the fact that the one skillset they're missing is probably the weakest? Along with getting a skill that puts one of the, like, three ranged skills that's worth having around to shame? Yeah. They can also wield lances with one hand, helping defeat their one downside (poor defense). It doesn't help that savage beast as a transformation is pretty amazing statistically (I think all their passive defenses activate all the time? Maybe that's elf.). The three downsides are....
No play dead. When I first started playing as a giant this threw me the HELL off. Early on combat relies A LOT on playing dead when something terrible happens because you don't have the HP to take a few knocks while trying to wrestle it off, even as a giant. This goes away fairly quickly, even quicker because giants get a ton of HP and great shields, although you will SUFFER while it's happening. You do still need it a little bit in late game sometimes so still a factor even then.
No dex. As a giant at like level 50, I had like... 70 dex. That is ABYSMAL. You can sort've get around this by just pumping your damage sky high and ignoring it, but at the end of the day you've lost a lot of dex from losing ranged, and now one of the only other options is crafting which a lot of people have a hard time stomaching. Giant's dex situation is dire to say the least.
And obviously as mentioned, no aesthetic options in a game that, let's face it, has a very VERY large aesthetic element. It's a much larger downside then you'd think and is the primary reason I stopped playing my giant.
With all this said, humans are very close behind, and the aesthetic option + Play dead + not shit dex totally makes up for it. I'd say if you were super enamoured with the idea of lances or knuckles it might be worth it to go giant. As much as I kind've made ranged sound bad, it certainly has it's uses too, it just can't nuke enemies down like other skillsets outside of magnum shot/a high crit rate and a good crash shot rank.
Incidentally while I'm on the subject, if you're interested in range? Get crash shot now! It's crazy good and probably the main reason anyone goes ranged. Although magnum shot certainly makes a decent argument for it too.
So yeah giant description I've written up like fifteen times in this thread woooooooooo
Post by: krisslanza on August 28, 2013, 09:37:44 am
Man. Playing my giant is really so much more satisfying and smoother than Sigfrain. I'm so torn.
If giants got the paladin transformation I might just say fuck it and play him instead. I really do wish all three races got paladin, and then humans got Dark Knight, giants got Beast, and elves got Falcon after gen 3 if they chose. Beast and falcon sort of fit as a bit darker transformation as well. Wild animals and all.
The only things stopping me from just ditching Sigfrain and maining my giant are her mp pool puts his to shame, the fact that I haven't tried final hit yet, giants large lack of apparel options (where the hell can I get a helmet thats not a hairband?), and the fact that Siggy is in the guild. Oh, and that paladin looks much better than Beast.
Eeeh, it wouldn't fit too much (although Vindictus has Karok the half-giant capable of paladin/dark knight anyway), because the dark knight is less "dark" and more a "Renouncing the Goddess and wanting her dead" kind of thing, I think.
At least in Mabinogi. It means something entirely different in Vindictus.
Post by: Kaitol on August 28, 2013, 02:29:20 pm
Of course I'm not really sure what sorts of group activities we could do. Especially where new people (me) wouldn't be... vastly out of depth.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 28, 2013, 02:50:00 pm
Post by: Seriyu on August 28, 2013, 04:28:04 pm
Unlike MOBAs a few deaths won't sink the team. You can die in every room of the dungeon and as long as you are eating an aggro slot for a little bit you're helpful in some manner. So basically if you're out of your depth, focus on safety first. Yeah some people will be windmilling and clearing the majority of the room in one hti, don't do that, you're nto to that point. Playing defensively, bringing a shield, and generally learning defensive maneuvers like firemill/counter will make you useful.
Incidentally a high rank in defense and a shield will make you infinitely mroe tanky even if you're not using defense. Seriously, it is super underrated.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 28, 2013, 04:42:12 pm
Post by: alexwazer on August 28, 2013, 06:32:02 pm
That being said, I am not going to hold my breath over organized things like that. B12ers aren't the most reliable people for that kind of stuff :P Myself included. Some have other things to do, we tend to get easily distracted by anything shiny and... oh shiny!!!
Knowing myself, I would probably log in and wait for people to do so, then get annoyed when, not if, people stop showing on a regular basis. Either that I would get dragged into another game and forget about Mabinogi completely (looking at you Starbound!)
Post by: Seriyu on August 28, 2013, 06:36:35 pm
Also yeah, girlinhat has another good point, it's very easy to be a shield for an archer with absolutely no danger to you via windmill. Archer shoots enemy. Enemy runs at archer. When it gets in range, you windmill it. Windmill does not directly draw aggro, and even if it did the archer could no doubt take a shot at the enemy before it attacked you. Millwall! It's great in pretty much every situation.
Post by: Patchy on August 28, 2013, 06:47:43 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 29, 2013, 12:10:03 am
Rank F of beast looks decent. Same for falcon. But those higher ranks... urk. Abominable Snowman was so ten years ago. Also, for the love of sanity, STOP CALLING ME A PALADIN G2. Making me keep thinking about how I wish I was a 12 foot walking suit of shining white armor. Also, they never really explain why giants can't be paladins. They basically just say the armor won't fit but.... Couldn't the armorer just make a suit big enough to fit? Or do nature spirits only come in size 10's? And what's their excuse for elves?
AND THAT FREAKING BEAR RP. DEAR GOD WHOSE BRIGHT IDEA WAS IT TO PUT BLACK GRIZZLIES IN THERE. ALSO GIVE MORE HP POTS PLOX. The boss just stood there and let me kill it. Never even activated its special heavy stander like the wolf. Never even tried to attack me. Bit of a relief really since I died like 6 times to lack grizzlies and my health bar was 80% wounds. Christ.
Post by: empfan on August 30, 2013, 06:20:55 am
So I decided to give Mabinogi a shot, I like the combat system and the map looks massive, which is always a plus. However, it still feels a bit on the generic side after playing for about 3 hours. Any idea when that starts to break up from the "talk to X person" or slaying missions?
Sorry I don't have much to contribute in the tales, being a new player and all :P
Post by: Girlinhat on August 30, 2013, 07:37:08 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on August 30, 2013, 03:09:32 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 30, 2013, 05:22:36 pm
And my characters are still high level and stuck till NEXT saturday. I will seriously have to try mooching off some rafters though. Maybe I can throw some javelins or something and contribute.
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2013, 05:42:22 pm
hey, new player of Mabinogi here...
So I decided to give Mabinogi a shot, I like the combat system and the map looks massive, which is always a plus. However, it still feels a bit on the generic side after playing for about 3 hours. Any idea when that starts to break up from the "talk to X person" or slaying missions?
Sorry I don't have much to contribute in the tales, being a new player and all :P
Generation quests, especially the first few, are mostly plot. If you're not interested in lore they may be fairly dull to you (the game does have rather expansive lore for an MMO that isn't WoW!), although once you get to the end? Then you realize what the game is about, namely, lulling you into a false sense of security and then busting out something that will tear you apart. You will litterally need help from someone much higher then you for the G1 finale, and even then success is not guarenteed! Is it possible to solo? Yes. But I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Basically what I'm saying is, THE DIFFICULTY IS COMING, DON'T WORRY! Then you'll start realizing the combat in mabinogi is perhaps significantly more deep then you may have thought. And when that time comes, feel free to ask questions in here, as it is rather difficult to get the swing of initially.
Post by: majikero on August 30, 2013, 05:47:47 pm
Why in all the blooming ages did no one mention the Three Consecutive 2x AP Weekends! All ap from levelups and exploration levels are doubled.
And my characters are still high level and stuck till NEXT saturday. I will seriously have to try mooching off some rafters though. Maybe I can throw some javelins or something and contribute.
When was this and how come I don't know about it?!
Post by: Girlinhat on August 30, 2013, 05:48:57 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 30, 2013, 05:52:46 pm
Post by: majikero on August 30, 2013, 05:59:13 pm
I'll finally use my Rin card next week.
Post by: Girlinhat on August 30, 2013, 06:15:19 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2013, 06:31:24 pm
Also if you beat all 10 episodes you get a battle pegasus, forever. I wonder if you can get more than one per account. Probably not.
Post by: alexwazer on August 30, 2013, 09:25:03 pm
This last episode will probably be hard for most people. Again, Unknown Men are a major threat. I also hope you like fireballs... not throwing them, but receiving/dodging them. Although it wasn't as hard as I expected it to be. It's also one of the shortest episode, if not the shortest.
As a reward for completing episode 10, you get the usual 20 AP potion, coupons and stuff. However, for completing all episodes, you get a 100 AP potion (bringing the total from G18 to 300, or 312 to be exact and counting coupons) and a battle pegasus whistle. This allows you to create a battle pegasus pet (colors are randomized). It's a wonderful pet for transport, battle and storage... because yes that free pet comes with inventory, 6x10.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2013, 10:07:19 pm
But the rewards, as Don says, are super awesome. The pegasus is so awesome. 6x10 is the same size as your own inventory. Plus it's a winged horse wearing armor, with the same capabilities as the regular pegasus (IE on-summon attack and Holy Rush which you may have seen Don break out, it's like a shiny horse wave of death). And the colors are randomized! Personally I got a white horse with pink armor.
e: I also hit cumulative 1000 yesterday, though levels are pretty much meaningless. It's all about the skills and the strategies.
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2013, 10:30:42 pm
Notably guard cylinders don't look like beyblades like I'd suspected and as always this came through dir as he is my eyes during these periods of inactivity.
Post by: empfan on August 30, 2013, 10:45:35 pm
Is it possible to solo? Yes. But I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Challenge accepted :P
On another note, I have learned not to mess with coyotes yet
Post by: majikero on August 30, 2013, 10:48:42 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2013, 10:53:40 pm
Maybe I'd actually be a bit useful in G3 finale! :P
Post by: majikero on August 30, 2013, 11:22:21 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 31, 2013, 02:30:38 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: krisslanza on August 31, 2013, 03:26:52 pm
B-but Final Fantasy... but... DOUBLE AP.
I need a clone.
Post by: Seriyu on August 31, 2013, 04:20:29 pm
You mean the giant fuckoffthat can wipe out massively overpowered players relatively easily? I mean, sure it's no raid boss, but it IS only Generation 3. It was probably a big deal when generation 3 was new. Not like it was designed to withstand all the new stuff that's come out. Plus you can only bring two other players to help.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yeah, I was gonna say. Cromm is pretty much a guarenteed one shot with any of his abilities, I dunno how he got the reputation of being easy. I mean yeah you can hide behind fire places but that's because that's litterally the only way to beat him cleanly that doesn't turn the entire thing into a clusterfuck.
Lore time!
Spoiler: WHAT'S A CROMM CRUIACH (G3 plot spoilers) (click to show/hide)
Post by: alexwazer on August 31, 2013, 08:58:41 pm
While messing around with it, I realized that you can use any of its skills while riding. Those include defence, smash, counter, bolts spells and, of course, holy rush (no windmill sadly). Now here's what's interesting... you can also use lance charge while riding, like most other mounts. So it is possible to use defence/counter while using a lance. I'm in love. This pet is my new best friend.
On another note, I'm almost at G9 finale with Seikyu. There's no way I can solo this, so I would like to ask some help to do this either tomorrow or Monday. G9 finale is really bad, so the more people the better.
Edit: It's worth mentioning that the skills used are the pet's, although you add damage of your own, and thus use the pre-genesis mechanic: with loading time instead of cooldown. Still, I can only imagine the damage potential of a smash - holy rush - lance charge combo.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 31, 2013, 09:10:59 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on August 31, 2013, 09:17:48 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 31, 2013, 10:42:30 pm
Edit: Probably terribly. Not even worth trying past me. Man I must be tired. Worst idea I ever had.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 01, 2013, 09:23:35 am
Man. Why did they make rafting so party unfriendly. No one wants to take anyone with them. Only got two runs. I wonder how well I would do soloing....You are repeatedly negative about everything... I've ALWAYS maintained a very forward 'let's go rafting' stance.
Edit: Probably terribly. Not even worth trying past me. Man I must be tired. Worst idea I ever had.
Post by: alexwazer on September 01, 2013, 11:46:39 am
I've ALWAYS maintained a very forward 'let's go rafting' stance.
True and I'll had that you always invited people even if it is only to leech exploration exp.
I'm not too fond of rafting myself, but often agree to go along with whoever goes. Well, not really "often", but still... You, Kaitol that is, need to ask the right people. If some random people asked to go with me, I would probably refuse as well. Randoms are usually not welcome in my activities :P Lots of people think the same way.
Post by: Kaitol on September 02, 2013, 02:32:03 am
A case of missed passings and whatnot...
I wasn't talking about guildies when I said that. I was talking about all the people that went rafting solo while I sat there with my empty party. And I wasn't even criticizing them, but rather questioning the design choice to make you get half the reward for every person participating, which leads to the people doing it not wanting to group up unless they have a vested interest in helping you (guildmate) or just take pity on you.
Post by: majikero on September 02, 2013, 09:00:42 am
If you have the needed firebolt rank, I can get you the ice and lend my wand.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 02, 2013, 10:05:37 am
If you're really desperate for exploration exp then you could buy an l-rod and run around Cor village. This is slower and less exciting than pretty much everything else but it's very doable alone and at low levels.
Post by: alexwazer on September 02, 2013, 10:38:36 am
Rank 5 firebolt is a pretty major investment. Plus even at r1 it's still kinda hard to oneshot the hungry ones. I need to work on my masteries. :'(
It is a worthy investment however. It's also easier to get than anything that would allow solo rafting. The main issue however is the amount of MP potions needed. Not everyone was there during the last few fishing events and got stockpiles of those.
If you're really desperate for exploration exp then you could buy an l-rod and run around Cor village. This is slower and less exciting than pretty much everything else but it's very doable alone and at low levels.
Honestly, it isn't much slower than rafting. A lot less "exciting" (don't find rafting all that exciting to be fair, and hot-air ballooning even less), but it can be done anytime without help. So, doing that for 20-30 minutes every now and then is good enough each rebirth.
Either way, I wouldn't bother trying to get much higher than exploration level 15, unless you can easily solo either rafting or hot-air ballooning: i.e. 60+ stars per ride for rafting and maximum for balloon.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 02, 2013, 11:35:41 am
And yeah, exploration levels are really slow and annoying to get past 15. Luckily, probably the next big revamp after the alchemy/magic and cooking ones is going to be for exploration, but that'll probably be months from now.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 02, 2013, 11:46:14 am
Post by: majikero on September 02, 2013, 12:51:51 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 02, 2013, 01:09:43 pm
I'm hoping they touch Archery. It hasn't been updated at all since the Elves were added...I agree. They've added 3 counters for archery (charge, evade, defend with a shield) while magic is pretty much invulnerable since evasion is so bad. Monster Hunter this ain't.
Seeing all those dowra guns and staffs for 400k kills my motivation to rank crafting skill and just grind the money.To be honest, it kind of does for me too. You can't even get signatures on your own crafted items so you can't brag about it.
I'm so poor though :'(
Post by: Seriyu on September 03, 2013, 04:42:53 pm
I do agree it needs a buff, don't get me wrong, I just think that they're being a little careful around archery, because it really does have the significant potential to just ruin any room with more then two or three archers in it for new people. Hopefully that luck = passive range avoidance change doesn't neuter player archers too much.
The most boring solution would just to raise the damage and leave enemy damage alone (have them using the old formula or something), which is probably honestly the best solution, because outside of magnum and crash shot archery really doesn't do reasonable damage, and it loses utility as melee people slowly turn into gods.
Another option that would be kind've neat is make critical damage significantly higher for bows. Like, crit normal shot just takes an enormous chunk out of most things that aren't super tanky, crit magnum just murders everything that doesn't have natural shield. This is honestly something I'd like to see on melee weapons too, I've always thought it was odd that for all the modifiers on weapons there's not a "crit damage" percentage.
Besides this, I'm not really sure what they could do that doesn't involve adding new skills. I'm sure they'll figure something out eventually, because ranged is rapidly looking less and less good compared to every other skillset out there.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 03, 2013, 05:01:59 pm
Crash will MURDER whole rooms, but is ineffective against single enemies. It also has a fairly high cost to use, in terms of SP and MP, and if you don't trigger the splash damage just right then it totally fails.
Magnum is the REAL ranged skill. Especially since the change from charge-up to cool-down it's possible to magnum spam, which is highly effective. The problem is the terribly long aim time and the miss chance. Most of the time, by the time I'm able to get a shot off, the melee monkies have already done a Smash and knocked the enemy out of range. Then it's impossible to follow through with anything. The damage output isn't as high as melee either, though it's close enough that it still works.
What the game REALLY needs, I think, is a large nerf to melee damage, and some skill or buff for archers to be able to aim faster or use luck to turn a missed shot into a hit. It's just absurd when regular attacks can get over 1k damage, without trans or crit or smash, while a high-ranked critical magnum scores about 1,500.
As for new archery skills, I'd like to see some sort of 'pinning shot' where a magnum shot hits hard enough to impale the enemy to the ground, various poisons like sleep, slowness, or enraging, and some sort of skill that would help to shake aggro or raise defense... Being able to burn MP to charge arrows with elemental damage would also be sublime. One thing I'd REALLY love to see, would be Greatbows. Massive things that need to be braced on the ground to fire spear-sized bolts of raw power, turning archers into balistae.
Post by: alexwazer on September 03, 2013, 09:02:23 pm
Sure, it has lower damage output than close combat, but honestly not that much. The main issue is that it draws its damage from completely unrelated skills. Sheep shearing making you a better archer? Weaving? Refining? Ranged skills need to give better dexterity. Increasing the weapon's damage wouldn't help all that much except early on.
What the game REALLY needs, I think, is a large nerf to melee damage, and some skill or buff for archers to be able to aim faster or use luck to turn a missed shot into a hit. It's just absurd when regular attacks can get over 1k damage, without trans or crit or smash, while a high-ranked critical magnum scores about 1,500.
I have always been against nerfing, unless it's simply a rollback after patching something seriously overpowered. Don't take away from your players the toys they have had for months or even years. They will hate you and rightfully so. Archery could use a buff to aiming speed and I personally wouldn't mind seeing the missing chance completely gone. They could adjust damage, knock back and stun effects so that it is reduced if you don't take time to aim.
No one mentioned spider shot by the way, it's somewhat lackluster due to it's cooldown, but it is still a very useful extra tool in the archers' boxes. The talents required to get it aren't too hard to rank either, although somewhat grindy, and are even useful for archers.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 03, 2013, 09:11:07 pm
Not that there's too many choices on bows. It's essentially Composite Bow (which is really freakin' awesome), Leather Longbow, one of the Exotics (HLB, Ring, Wing, etc.), or Demonic.
But yeah, you probably hit it most accurately. Dex is a difficult stat to obtain. Str comes from everything combat and carpentry, while dex mainly comes from life skills.
Post by: alexwazer on September 03, 2013, 09:31:15 pm
A few bows were released recently, but they were event only and nearly impossible to get. It's even worse than Eweca weapons. A few extra bows would be great. A few elves exclusives would be awesome and a few more differentiation between short and long bows could be good too.
Talents at least made it slightly easier to get dexterity. Archer talent is a huge source of Dex, it gives more Dex than close combat give Str. Most of the life talents also give Dex, so even a few ranks in some of these skills can add up to some decent improvement to your total damage.
Post by: Seriyu on September 03, 2013, 09:54:02 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 03, 2013, 10:08:50 pm
Made me consider trying archery again. Then I said fuck it, I'll branch out into archery maybe if/when I get regular combat leveled out.
Post by: alexwazer on September 03, 2013, 10:19:00 pm
Although I have to give Girl a point concerning weapon damage. I hadn't checked for bows upgrades in a while. Max damage on those is abysmal compared to 2 handers and even at a disadvantage compared to 1 handers. While stats do matter more, some base weapon damage doesn't hurt. Elves should get something better for what is supposedly their main thing. One thing however, is that bows count as 2 handers for special upgrades. Blue special upgrades are really really good for those.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 03, 2013, 10:39:53 pm
And the Bhafel Hunter/ress combo is absurdly difficult to get considering that nobody goes to black dragon raids anymore because white is so much easier (but also laggier), so I wouldn't count on ever laying hands on one. Just like demon bows.
Post by: Kaitol on September 04, 2013, 02:36:45 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 04, 2013, 03:03:04 pm
Although I did see ONE person with a Hunter. He'd recently crafted it and was showing it off in Shylien. I've never heard a whisper of it again...
Bows in general are absurdly difficult to maintain. There's usually no Wing Bows on sale period, or else it's a few of the bright green event ones - no one can reliably obtain a regular Wing. Ring is even more difficult to obtain. Highlander Longbow is easier simply because it drops from ancients but is still pretty rare, and expensive. Meanwhile everyone and their mother has a dragon fang or highlander claymore...
So while a scant few new bows are in, they're virtually non-existent due to their rarity and difficulty to find...
Post by: Kaitol on September 04, 2013, 03:27:48 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 04, 2013, 03:31:26 pm
Post by: majikero on September 04, 2013, 03:58:17 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 04, 2013, 04:06:03 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 04, 2013, 07:59:37 pm
I'd put it around on par with the highland even at all 0's for rolls if it had a huntress.
Highland is only 200 more range, unless I'm missing something. Which is only slightly more than a lance's range in difference. Fairly minor.
I'd wager most Bhafels would be a toss up between demonics as to taste and particular stats. With the occasional bad one competing with highlanders.
Infinite shots would probably be a big boon in longer stuff though. Save you inventory space too.
It is always faster than the HLB and DIB though, guaranteed, which I forget exactly how good it is for bows.
Its pretty obvious archers are intended for support roles though. Its kinda sad how laughable top tier bows are that are only like, twice as good as a store bought bow.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 04, 2013, 08:23:00 pm
Speed is also a HUGE deal with bows. I actually love a good Elven Shortbow thanks to its speed and range upgrades, allowing it to fire very quickly and just pin a single enemy DOWN with rapid fire. Longbows are slower in unclear ways, I can't put my finger on an exact method but using them for years there's a definite difference in how rapidly you can do things.
The DIB having longer range than even a Wing, and the speed of a tweaked out Elven Short, with greater power than a Highlander, makes it a truly terrifying weapon in all regards. It doesn't get the infinite ammo, but as an Elf who relies on Magnum Revolver, I can assure you that the 2 quivers I hold will last me a solid week or two, and you can pick up a 1,000 arrow pack for like 10k.
A note on bow speed: it's rather like weapon hit rate. A dagger hits like 5 times while a big sword hits only two. Think of having a Claymore that has a 5 hit combo.
A note on durability: Bows lose .001-.0015 durability per shot (with blessing), estimating average .00125 per shot, that's 800 shots per point of durability. HLB has 13 after upgrades, about 10,400 shots. For an elf with two quivers, that's 10 restocks, give or take. DIB has 16 dura, and the only gems are for +2 for a total of 18. Bhafel has 15. You can also equip Handmade arrows or Jousting Metallic Arrows for extra damage - not as much as Bhafel Huntress, but probably enough to overcome the difference in stats.
TL;DR - Range and speed are important. Bhafel is a 'casual' bow for those you dislike restocking. Demonic Infinite Bow is the one you want if you want to really own.
Post by: Kaitol on September 04, 2013, 09:05:53 pm
HLB: 2 normal
DIB: 2 normal
Hunter: 2 Fast
E.Short: 3 Fast
E.Long: 3 Slow
and 100 range stat is literally two feet. http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Distance
So it really depends. Which is better, the aim speed boost from 10% longer range on HLB and 20% longer range on DIB, or the one rank faster attack speed on the Hunter? Is there even a way to finitely measure them?
Post by: Girlinhat on September 04, 2013, 09:19:52 pm
And the range IS a big deal. That +2 feet of range may not seem like much, but as you use it you'll see a marked improvement in combat. Honestly that's a BIG reason to get the DIB. That range.
As a comparison, my +range HLB can target Boss Bandits beyond their aggro range. I don't need to even try to use Shot of God to get the infinite range bug, I can already hit stuff that's on the edge of my draw distance! And the range REALLY helps when you've got melee in the party - every time they use Smash, you're still in range to fire after the enemy lands. It does make a world of difference.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 04, 2013, 09:42:49 pm
But the real purpose behind this post was that I'm idling in the banquet, and I've just come back to some people uselessly arguing over the merits of education and how OP the free pegasi are. It pretty quickly devolved into insults and poor comebacks, and right on cue, good ol' NPC Maike says
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You all look so pathetic.I think that makes up for everything he's ever done in the story, and more. :P
Post by: Kaitol on September 04, 2013, 10:45:32 pm
There needs to be an option to minimize peoples PETS. Or just make them invisible altogether.
Almost forgot. Randomly found a pair of thames plate gauntlets on the ground while commercing to tir through cuilab. +3 smash. Now I just need to find some other pieces randomly left around! (seriously people pick up your loot. Wait. On second thought, don't pick it up. Leave it allll lying around on the ground. Then message me about how you don't need no highlander claymore silly game, and leave your current position and channel too while you're bragging!)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 05, 2013, 12:13:24 am
And if you can find the rest lying around, I have a thames plate armor 3/2 that I need to get rid of.
Post by: Kaitol on September 05, 2013, 12:50:33 am
Go do that crap on channel 1. No one will notice more lag there.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 06, 2013, 12:05:15 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 12:19:08 am
The next 2 weekends will be double AP per level. On a fresh rebirth that'll easily net 160 or so if you only level up on weekends.
The AP coupons from daily shadow missions and the EP ending boxes combined give you 4.2 AP a day too if you do them all.
So kinda. AP is not as precious a commodity as before, but it's still hard to get after a couple weeks without rebirthing.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 06, 2013, 01:07:45 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 01:08:42 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 06, 2013, 02:23:19 am
Post by: Girlinhat on September 06, 2013, 07:33:13 am
Post by: Kaitol on September 06, 2013, 12:08:49 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 12:19:02 pm
Also I hope it's 1 AP a journal point.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 06, 2013, 12:43:30 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 06, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
Also, what's the status of the guild? Alive/Dead/Zombie? :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 08:46:54 pm
I'd recommend not getting the steam version because
Post by: Singularity125 on September 06, 2013, 09:02:33 pm
If we got an active community going again I would probably be willing to support the guild stone endeavor. I certainly have the income to do so but it's a matter of whether it'd be worth it. And me remembering to renew my VIP every month. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 09:04:32 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 06, 2013, 09:11:10 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 06, 2013, 09:58:13 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 06, 2013, 10:11:56 pm
Protection will now be subject to diminishing returns at high rates. That's litterally all we know, so we dunno when it kicks in and how much. I'd imagine it's supposed to counter the high end shadow mission enemies that have 90 prot and take double digit damage from anything but the burliest men, so likely players won't be effected too much unless you're stacking prot super hard.
Notably armors have masteries now. If you're using heavy armor you get more defense and protection (this kinda works against the protection debuff that will happen, but as long as you're not stacking protection to rediculous heights it probably won't have much of an effect. We don't know how much the diminishing returns will effect high prot.) and accessory slots, if you're light armor, the mastery will give you magic defense (defense/prot and magic defense/magic prot are also being split up, note), and one extra slot. Basically every armor type with enough work gets accessories now. This is great. There are also shield masteries, which raise defensive capabilities of shields (they were already really good), and raises passive defense activations. All these skills are super cheap and all of them are super good. When it comes out get them get them get them.
Axes will be getting a boost to the new defense piercing attribute (defense, not prot), so that might add a bit of damage and make axes unique. A pity we still only have 3 different axes. At least franciscas are easily one of the best one handed weapons out there. Bipennises aren't bad either. Defense piercing goes up 1 point every 15 dex (making dex even better and making bows indirectly more lethal), one defense piercing pierces one defense point as you'd imagine.
ANnnnnd strength will now provide physical defense points, at 10 str -> 1 def. Luck helps passively dodge arrows like you said, although I doubt it will be terribly high a rate unless you're stacking luck (which may well be the case). Will will provide magic defense in a similar fashion.
Some hybrid news, if you're a fighter magic knuckles will be mixing int magic into fighter skills. If you're into alchemy the guard cylinders act as a shield but still cast alchemy, allowing you to sword people and then set them on fire.
I think that's all the melee news, although it's certainly all the big stuff. Let me know if you need clarification on anything.
Also let me say that while the membership is...... low, it's certainly still playable. The guild pops in and out, and by and large the community is okay if you can put up with hyperactive folk. Even so you still find a nice chill fella now and then. So if you can make friends outside the guild it's still entirely worthwhile and by and large you can make do. Even solo it isn't bad, and you'll learn a lot. We're always willing to talk in this thread after all. Get some good screenshots and tales of your adventures and maybe I'll pop them in the OP (make sure they're REALLY good though). We'll be back someday. We always come back.
woooooooshhh
Post by: Singularity125 on September 06, 2013, 10:38:53 pm
That being said, maybe I should boot it back up sooner. I'm way, WAAAY behind everyone else, I think (I still haven't finished G1 >_<) so... yeah. Might want to start trying to catch up in whatever way I can. At the very least getting an actual transformation would be sorta nice, heh.
I think I was feverishly trying to rank refine and blacksmith last time I played. Do we still have a need for that?
Post by: Seriyu on September 06, 2013, 11:11:31 pm
Crafting, while nice, is for the dedicated. If you're not all in on crafting, DON'T TURN IT INTO A RACE. You will burn yourself out quickly. Just poke and jab at it when you feel like it. Refining has been changed so you don't have to rush it anymore, so don't feel compelled to do that either.
Remember, when you need help with something don't be afraid to post in the thread, even if the place seems inactive. You can usually at least get a couple people in to help out which is often more then enough.
I think there are a few newer folk still playing, so they might join you if they're still playing!
Post by: Girlinhat on September 07, 2013, 05:27:04 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 07, 2013, 08:57:26 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 07, 2013, 09:13:25 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 07, 2013, 09:18:29 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 07, 2013, 09:58:28 pm
NFKLSMKSLKFM.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 07, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
It's rebirth time but I can't work up the gumption to play.It's not the end of the world. I'm sure each one of us has felt that way at least once. I know I have. :P
NFKLSMKSLKFM.
Post by: Kaitol on September 07, 2013, 10:34:01 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 09, 2013, 05:00:02 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 09, 2013, 05:27:41 am
Post by: Girlinhat on September 09, 2013, 07:35:08 am
For a new player, remember that you can rebirth DAILY as long as your the total level of all your characters is below 100. Also below 100, you can talk to Duncan and reset all your skills to either F or N rank, and get the AP refunded and be able to rank other skills you'd rather have.
Go for shadow missions, the daily quests give you 1.5 AP, and there's 2 per day, and if you can get up to the Hard ranks then you get ~250,000 exp and 25,000+ gold. This is a great way to earn money, which is extremely useful for repairing equipment and purchasing new gear off players.
Also don't be afraid to ask the guild/forums for help! We've got crafters and fighters, so we can pretty much just give equipment and help. And don't say "I couldn't bother you to ask for a crafted sword" because the crafting ranks demand you make THOUSANDS of swords, most of which have nearly no resale value.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2013, 06:42:26 pm
Spoiler: Tips off the top of my head (click to show/hide)
Seriyu will probably come round later and drop lots of detailed info for you. And as Girlinhat says, we have a pretty nice spread of both crafting and fighting skills, just ask and we'll help.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 09, 2013, 06:47:33 pm
And remember you can get weapons, armor, and shields for free from us. Blacksmithing makes HUGE demands of goods, so there's TONS of stuff extra that's just rotting or getting sold to NPCs or fed to spirit weapons! Several of us can craft all heavy armor types (gauntlets, boots, heavy armor, helmets, shields, weapons) and can do so pretty cheaply. Some of us can also produce bows, and accessories are extremely cheap right now.
Just don't be surprised if the smith makes it all using silver finishing color, so your suit shines like a mirror...
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2013, 06:51:07 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 09, 2013, 06:58:13 pm
How far is the guildstone from Tir Chronail? I don't really have my bearings as to what the world is shaped like. I saw something about warping to other continents, and I also got a quest from a goddess in a cutscene.
Are there any limits to how much I can change between rebirths? Is every rebirth pretty much a new character, but with all your previous skill advancement?
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2013, 07:01:55 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 09, 2013, 07:18:30 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 09, 2013, 07:19:36 pm
First note: This is a slow burn game. Make it your motto. Ingrain it in your mind. Accept it. If you don't feel like playing for a day or even a few weeks, it's not a big loss. Your levels will still be there and you're gaining AP passively over time. It is not a bad thing. Sure you'll be going up slower then other people, but it's not exactly the most competitive game. Don't stress out about not being able to play x amount of time. This is a happy place.
okay into in depth stuff, facekillz made a simple and very important point, make your character at 17, rebirth at 17. Always. Forevever. Because you can only free rebirth at age 21, and once you get going it really takes no time to get to a "soft cap" where you can't level up very easily with your current strength. If you've already made your character at level 10, well, it won't ruin you, but you'll have to wait a while to rebirth. If you did do that, now would be a good time to focus on some crafting if you have an interest in any of those skills, as before you reach cumulative level 100 you can rebirth once a day regardless of age. It levels you slowly, and gives you valuble dex (usually), so you won't rack up those first 100 levels as fast, but you'll still be getting stats. You can get AP through exploration levels (hop on one of girlinhat (IGN laur) famous river rafting tours) which don't contribute. Rebirth to reset exploration levels.
girlinhat is 100% right. You cannot mess up your character, as long as you take in the mantra of slow burn game. If you mess it up you just need more AP! Which is an infinite resource, and even generates slowly over time. So just chill and play as you feel you want to play. You'll eventually get to where you want to be. Happy place. We're all chill people here.
Dailies exist, if you want to do them, do them. Some quests are surprisingly hard even on basic, you'll learn over time what those are. If you want to know ahead of time I'm sure someone will pop in and say. I can't remember myself. Even non daily shadow missions give pretty good exp/gold. Commerce gives more, but many people find it boring as sin. If you can stomach it, it's great! If not, shadow missions are always there.
Girlinhat also makes a good point, don't be afraid to ask crafters for goodies. They will be pumping out so much shit, you have NO IDEA. LITERAL PILES. HUNDREDS UPON THOUSANDS UPON MILLIONS(maybe) OF THINGS. JUST FOR TRAINING! They would be happy to give you free stuff. Even up to a specific quality level maybe? (crafted gear has variable stats, that can only go up. At max it'll add a few min max damage, about 10 dura, about 5-6 crit, a wide variety of stuff. A nice edge to be sure. I reccomend a broadsword for a starting weapon, nice damage with a relatively cheap repair rate. As you progress you can decide what weapon to go for after you start determining how your stats are playing out. Feel free to ask the thread when the time comes.) Who knows!
On to SirAaronIII (IGN direzie).
I personally go all around with my skills, but if you want to be lethal and fast, pick a skillset and stick with it, that's sound advice. I went all around because I wanted to! And I'm still lethal enough to contribute just about anywhere. It just took me longer to get there. And I'm still not super mega kill everything lethal like donryu.
Defense is a greatly underrated skill, I agree. Two handers are pretty good too, but as you're getting used to the game, that extra defense a shield offers will be great. It also gives max HP for ranking it, which is always nice, and surprisingly scarce.
Windmill basically ties all of the skillsets together. It has uses in every single skill set. All of them. Get it no matter what you do, at least up to rank 9, maybe up to rank 5, rank 1 if you're super hardcore. THose ranks will raise the radius of windmill, thereby increasing it's ability to counterattack under laggy/multiaggro conditions.
I still maintain early on mages are fine. If you wanna be a mage, go for it, but know it will be expensive. Definitely grab a melee weapon to use. Magic in mabinogi is very much a trump card once you get a wand upgraded. Something goes wrong? Out comes the chaincast firebolt wand to level everything in sight. There's not much spamming chaincasted firebolt can't solve. Intermediate magic is.... not bad, but you definitely need time to set it up. More helpful in later dungeons when enemies get rediculously tanky and won't be killed in a single windmill by a sufficiently leveled warrior.
Shields are great even without defense, true. That 15 defense soaks up a lot more damage then you'd think. Round shields are a nice cheap starting shield.
Alchemy..... yeah. As much as I hate to admit it, it's only effective in the very early game. There are some nice support skills like barrier spikes, but as of now it's barely worth picking up. But yeah, the vate update coming out eventually will revamp it to be good. VERY good.
Yeah, I'd agree. Grab some cheap light armor as early on as possible for the extra defense so you have some breathing room to try new stuff in a fight. Clothing is almost useless defensively (although very cheap to repair!).
Yeah that. Watching higher level players do stuff will give you an idea of how to work the combat system. it's surprisingly hard to get down, and kind've teaches you in the wrong direction. (some starting advice, it's all about chaining basic attaks and skills together. Two melee hits and a smash, two melee hits and a windmill, whatever. From there it'll knock the enemy down, assault slash, another windmill once he stands up, etc. There are some wierd frame traps, in the most literal of senses, if you hit them during X time they'll hit you out of it, and you'll learn them over time. Don't get discouraged!) An extra windmill wall for archers or mages or even alchemists helps a lot. You're also eating an aggro slot that is potentially an enemy that can't double up on an experienced person. Multi aggro is always dicey, even late into the game in low level areas. All it takes is one crit to turn an otherwise casual walk through ciar into a terrible nightmare. One guy goes down, other people panic, they go down, then it's terrible and before you know it someone has to run back from the start of the dungeon. Just stalling with an enemy locked on to you can help a ton. That's the absolute least you can do.
Knight specific info: It's all about chaining smashes. You smash an enemy, assault slash it, smash it again (you don't even have to move thanks to lances minor range), lance charge, smash, and if it's not dead, THEN try to counter him (the lance counter is very clumsy, only use it if you're sure the enemy is gonna attack), then do it all over again. You will wreck shit. It's a very wierd skillset but a nice middle ground between survivability and damage for melee combat. They kinda get a bad rap as being hard to do but I honestly found it very fun! They have a hard time with multi aggro so I'd carry a sword as a sidearm or whatever when things get dicey but if the combat enviroment is stable you can really put the hurt on things.
Unfortunately the guild stone is down. I dunno how long it'll be down. The person that owns it is in school currently and never renewed it before they left, so we're kinda out in the dark. Add Bariaus, Direzie, Donryu, and Laur (post your IGN in here first!) and they can get you set up with other people in or out of the guild. I am Bariaus, Direzie is SirAaron, Laur is Girlinhat, Donryu is alexwazer. I'm personally inactive but most of them log on fairly regularly. Maybe it's time to bust out the old party board thing back before we had a guild to get new people in on the fun. We might also be able to just make a new guild but that seems kind've absurd. We'll get something worked out, I promise. The sudden influx of people exactly when the guildstone is down is terrible (but good because NEW PEOPLE YEAH).
So yeah! Despite how adorable the game is, it's secretly a terrible monster waiting to tear you apart. Don't get discouraged, don't be afraid to log off if you're not feeling it, and certainly don't underestimate anything besides maybe the white spiders and bats and rats in normal alby. Everything else can one shot you with a critical smash early on (and sometimes even later on). Don't be shy about asking stuff in the thread either!
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2013, 07:21:58 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 09, 2013, 07:41:37 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 09, 2013, 07:55:10 pm
Do Knights and/or lances actually have a minimum range? I thought the game was just bugging out whenever I wasn't able to attack something. There are plenty of times enemies would just twitch in my direction and not attack me, but I'm sure that's a different story.
I'm glad that Mabinogi is a slow game. Combat Arms, another Nexon game I play, is very much the opposite. Purchased equipment expires over time in CA unless you somehow get enough dough for a permanent pass, so you have to play fairly often and pretty well to earn GP or you'll fall behind in a hurry. It's been somewhat mitigated recently by the addition of "Welcome Back" crates, but you'll still get wrecked unless you have some rather expensive kit or can magically dodge sniper bullets.
My IGN is itisnotlogic because I like to keep things simple :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2013, 08:01:33 pm
I don't remember if I ever tried it, but I think I saw something about not being able to do Windmill because I had a lance equipped.I'm no Knight but yes, lances have minimum range and can't perform defense or counter (only lance counter, not sure on windmill). The twitching enemies seems to be a recent issue, shadow mission mobs will only be able to walk for a little bit before being stuck in place.
Do Knights and/or lances actually have a minimum range? I thought the game was just bugging out whenever I wasn't able to attack something. There are plenty of times enemies would just twitch in my direction and not attack me, but I'm sure that's a different story.
I'm glad that Mabinogi is a slow game. Combat Arms, another Nexon game I play, is very much the opposite. Purchased equipment expires over time in CA unless you somehow get enough dough for a permanent pass, so you have to play fairly often and pretty well to earn GP or you'll fall behind in a hurry. It's been somewhat mitigated recently by the addition of "Welcome Back" crates, but you'll still get wrecked unless you have some rather expensive kit or can magically dodge sniper bullets.Off topic but I know that feel, having played back when the old cool music was still playing in the lobbies. :P There's really no way to earn enough GP the way I played (badly for just a couple rounds). Personally I felt like Blacklight Retribution did the gun rental thing better, as renting the flaming burst rifle thing was just 150 monies which is easily obtained in a match.
Post by: Seriyu on September 09, 2013, 09:23:06 pm
"help I can't stop momentum"
And yes lances have a min range as SirAaron says. THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO WINDMILL, so if something is up in your face you either counter or windmill. Or run away. Everything else is subject to the minimum range. It takes some getting used to but if you have some kind of magical computer that can run the game laglessy despite the servers it's also possible, with good timing, to knock enemyes out of normal attacks with your normal attacks. That's a pretty tricky, unreliable, and last ditch effort though. I'd just use lance counter.
And thank you for putting up with that mountain of text!
Post by: Kaitol on September 09, 2013, 11:38:03 pm
Also I cannot count the amount of times I lance countered and than that god drat freaking goblin just stood in front of me with smash loaded and waited till my counter ran out then critted me to death. (Also fuck gargoyles and gremlins)
And oh boyyyyyy are you in for a rude awakening when you get into your first real fights. Halfway through G1 I was all smug and crap thinking I was a hotshot badass lancer. Then things got hard. Then they got painful.
Then I ran crying back to Duncan and switched to a sword.
Also, final hit has no minimum range for lances if you're human. But you need to abuse a game mechanic to make that useful (purposefully fail at a berserk scroll so all your enemies get super heavy stander and aren't blown back in final hit)
Also, I love using atlatl as a giant to knock enemies out of normal attack runs. Why waste counter when I can impale them with a five foot javelin with a foot-long diamond-shaped steel point? Which actually does damn good damage.
Five basic combat tips.
1. LEARN AGGRO AND HOW IT WORKS DEAR GOD.
2. LEARN ENEMY AI AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW TO ABUSE IT DEAR GOD.
3. ARCHERS ARE DICKS AT ANY LEVEL. MURDER THEM.
4. I REALLY REALLY HATE GARGOYLES. EVEN WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEM THEY CAN STILL BE MASSIVE TROLLS.
5. FUCK GARGOYLES. GARGOYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
(Also don't do the sulfur spider daily mission without sizable backup. Oh god. Spiders. So many spiders...)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2013, 11:56:20 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 09, 2013, 11:58:45 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 10, 2013, 12:03:41 am
Post by: Seriyu on September 10, 2013, 02:13:42 am
Five basic combat tips.
1. LEARN AGGRO AND HOW IT WORKS DEAR GOD.
2. LEARN ENEMY AI AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW TO ABUSE IT DEAR GOD.
3. ARCHERS ARE DICKS AT ANY LEVEL. MURDER THEM.
4. I REALLY REALLY HATE GARGOYLES. EVEN WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEM THEY CAN STILL BE MASSIVE TROLLS.
5. FUCK GARGOYLES. GARGOYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
All of this is relevant for normal combat, to be fair. But you are right, lancing is a one trick pony, and that trick is huge single target damage. It gets better as you progress as lances have natural protection/defense piercing, so those high def and prot enemies later in the game are knocked down a peg or two. Lancing is definitely hard to get the hang of though!
Post by: Girlinhat on September 10, 2013, 09:13:26 am
Post by: Sonlirain on September 10, 2013, 09:32:22 am
Also mabi seems to DELETING ITSELF at random.
I literally do a reset and try to run mabi... file not found.
I check the mabi steam folder... it's 14 MB.
And the best thing... i can download mabi via steam... but it DLs... in... umm... stealth mode?
It kinda downloads but there is no progress bar on steam... mabi doesn't even appear on my steam library.
It's like mabinogi had double RAWs or something.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 10, 2013, 09:41:46 am
Try to download it via Steam, then change the file location, and in Steam add a non-steam game. Steam doesn't seem to ever handle the patching anyways.
Post by: Sonlirain on September 10, 2013, 10:32:44 am
Being a free-to-play game, it's not listed in Steam until you've downloaded it, otherwise your library would be FULL of free games.
Try to download it via Steam, then change the file location, and in Steam add a non-steam game. Steam doesn't seem to ever handle the patching anyways.
I tried adding it as a non steam game.
It appeared in the library untill i reset the system... then it disapeared.
And adding it every reset is kinda counterproductive and pointless.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 13, 2013, 02:15:09 pm
I just seem, despite my heavy armor, to be built like a glass cannon, and one false move means my immediate demise against the end-of-floor mini-bosses. I haven't even seen Glas yet... :-\
Post by: Girlinhat on September 13, 2013, 02:17:31 pm
I can do stuff this evening, we can grab you the skill and some dungeon.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 13, 2013, 02:29:21 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 13, 2013, 02:56:50 pm
Post by: alexwazer on September 13, 2013, 04:22:29 pm
While I haven't been playing lately, I'm always ready to hop in to help. So if you want a hand for G1, just let me know when. I've got plenty of time on hand currently, so whatever time suits you would be fine. Edit: And, by the way, this is the case for whoever might want help or even just company to do something. I have no interest in doing stuff on my own, but I am still interested in doing activities with others, although not just anything (go sheep shearing yourself!)
Post by: Seriyu on September 13, 2013, 06:13:52 pm
Also don't feel bad, G1 is easily in the top three hardest gens, and mabinogi is already a brutal game to start with. Stumbling a bit at the beginning is expected and encouraged!
You don't learn by winning all the time after all. :P
Post by: majikero on September 13, 2013, 06:20:31 pm
Mabi is easier compared to back in the day. We didn't have bags, pets or all these AP. We had to walk through Iria on foot, both ways to all the gates just to get around! 8)
Post by: Singularity125 on September 13, 2013, 06:23:59 pm
I would love to try to tackle G1 later tonight... perhaps in a couple hours or so? I would certainly like to get at least rank F Mana Shield first though. I'm more or less available throughout the weekend, as I don't really have any other plans for now.
My IGN is Xandak. Just lemme know when you guys want to group up and get stuff taken care of, and I'll try to be around.
Post by: alexwazer on September 13, 2013, 07:19:04 pm
If you want to run G1, just send me a message and, if I fail to reply in a timely manner, do so on Steam (same name as here and also in the Mabi group).
Post by: Kaitol on September 14, 2013, 11:34:52 am
I'll reiterate his name is... Kraendal... (I think) or.... was it Kraendel? Bloody hell it was one of the two. If anyone wants me for anything.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 15, 2013, 02:25:00 pm
Is anybody's IGN Direzie? They've added me to their friend's list.
Post by: majikero on September 15, 2013, 02:59:46 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 15, 2013, 03:09:16 pm
The free 7 day horse card? Ditch it and do the tutorial quests. It gives you an eagle and horse.This is true too.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 15, 2013, 03:12:25 pm
Direzie? Sounds like some creepy weirdo. :P (it's me)The free 7 day horse card? Ditch it and do the tutorial quests. It gives you an eagle and horse.This is true too.
Well crap, I got the horse whistle before deleting the card I already had. Will the horse whistle not work now or anything?
Nice to meet you in-game SirAaron :P
Post by: majikero on September 15, 2013, 03:38:15 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 15, 2013, 07:53:06 pm
1. Is there no such thing as mounted combat? The log says that the animal has started attacking, but it ironically seems impossible to use a lance from atop a large animal.
2. Where can I fly my eagle? As far as I've seen, the answer is "Nowhere in immediate range".
Post by: Girlinhat on September 15, 2013, 09:17:42 pm
Flying is permitted in Iria and most of Uladh - when the game was first launched flying didn't exist, and it was only the 'more recent' areas that were zoned for flight. Notably, this is NOT Tir Chonail, Dugald Isle, Dunbarton, Gairech Hills, Emain Macha, and Osna Sail - other areas such as Sliab Cuillin, Taillteann, Corrib Valley, and ALL of Iria are fine.
Post by: Seriyu on September 15, 2013, 11:59:43 pm
I dunno about any of the new fangled mounts that let you combat normally.
Post by: Seriyu on September 17, 2013, 06:26:53 pm
Major bug fixes? The Enlightenment? SCHOOL UNIFORMS?!?!? no
Seriously interested in the first two though.
EDIT: Oh also an expanded and improved dunbarton, updated maps, man what is happening I haven't heard anything about this
Post by: majikero on September 17, 2013, 06:36:16 pm
Edit. According to the wiki, there's an even worse version of Peaca called Abyss. Exploration cap will also be increased to 50. I'm not sure when they'll add those.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 17, 2013, 07:07:49 pm
:P
Post by: Kaitol on September 18, 2013, 01:30:45 pm
If so my drive to play might be partially restored. Now if only they'd done it before the double ap weekends..
Post by: alexwazer on September 18, 2013, 01:50:31 pm
Enlightenment involves a magic and alchemy revamp. I'm not sure if it's The revamp I was waiting for, but it would be worth checking for that too. It also adds the armors and shield masteries, so there,s something to put some AP into.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 18, 2013, 03:00:44 pm
Post by: HailFire on September 18, 2013, 03:37:57 pm
Unfortunately, I'm on the quickly-growing "I can't log in because I play Mab on XP and the client crashes while loading the Pleione engine since the patch" train.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 18, 2013, 04:11:09 pm
Also the armor and shield masteries are EASY to rank. Just bring AP, and stand in front of foxes until you get to like r3 - then you'll need a few ranged attacks to hit 100.
Post by: alexwazer on September 18, 2013, 05:53:57 pm
The removal of alchemy crystals also make ranking those skills much easier. If anyone have some leftovers of the old crystals, make sure to exchange them to Eabha in Tail for gold. I haven't played with Kyu much, and not much more in the last few months, so I can't really say anything about alchemy skills revamp so far.
On the topic of the current event, you get increasing rewards the more often you log in. The event lasts 35 days and, for the best reward (black flamemare pet), you need to log in 30 days out of those. Other rewards include AP (10 for 9 logins, 30 for 18 logins and 100 for 27 logins), perfect skill reset capsule (12 logins), skill training seal (15 logins, that item increase training of any skill by 50. Half a rank for free!) and hammer of proficiency (24 logins, gives 100% proficiency instantly). Note that you don't have anything to do, you are not required to stay 30 minutes or whatever. Log in, log out and get some rewards.
Post by: Kaitol on September 18, 2013, 06:03:36 pm
(Do you need heavy armor in every slot or just the body slot?)
Post by: Girlinhat on September 18, 2013, 06:05:21 pm
Post by: majikero on September 18, 2013, 06:21:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 18, 2013, 07:11:12 pm
The patch looks awesome! People having the ability to tank, whod'a thunk? :P
Unfortunately, I'm on the quickly-growing "I can't log in because I play Mab on XP and the client crashes while loading the Pleione engine since the patch" train.
You probably have, but have you tried running it with admin rights? You can also turn off UAC while it's starting. (does XP have UAC? It's been so long. Maybe not.)
On the topic of Heavy Armor Mastery, if anyone has some heavy armor usable by giants just sitting around, Kraendel could use it. The adventurers crux armor they give you counts as light, and I'd really like to get started on Heavy Armor and Shield mastery. The entire idea I built Kraendel around was the tankiest tank that ever did tank so the patch sorta helps that. (although I'm probably going to do terrible against magic. But that's why god invented javelins.)
(Do you need heavy armor in every slot or just the body slot?)
Unfortunately heavy armor that giants can use is both hard to find, make, and buy. With that said there is a suit you can buy from edern which is a pretty penny. Upsizing armor must cost quite the fortune.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2013, 07:20:08 pm
But yeah armor/shield masteries? Get them all. They're like 79 AP for all 3, with amazing benefits. Extra protection and defense never hurt.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 18, 2013, 07:26:51 pm
For giants: I'm willing to try smithing, I'm rA which allows crafting all types of equipment, albeit somewhat poorly. So we can sink a lot of resources into crafting and eventually get you an armor!
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2013, 07:38:24 pm
This gives some incentive to not spam episode 7 all the time. :P
Post by: majikero on September 18, 2013, 07:43:35 pm
Mana shield is nerfed.
5 int = 1 magic attack instead of the old 20=1
Staves and fusion bolt.
Relevant to Girlinhat:
Dex provides pierce.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 18, 2013, 07:45:43 pm
NUUUUU, I COULD BARELY USE IT EFFECTIVELY BEFORE.
Post by: majikero on September 18, 2013, 07:54:39 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 18, 2013, 08:01:26 pm
I was planning to take a break from Mabi too, but AP/a Flamemare for minimal effort per day is too good to pass up. That is, if I can remember to log in every day, which is doubtful. But I'll try. :P
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 18, 2013, 08:02:36 pm
BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT, BLAKRGJAGARG.
This is a new kind of lazy for me.
"Free stuff for minimal effort!"
"EFFORT?!?!"
Post by: Skyrunner on September 18, 2013, 08:16:37 pm
See, I played a different game (League) that most likely has servers in the same place as Mabinogi, which is West Coast/California. I can connect directly to their servers, and get an outstanding ping of only 190~225. That's 0.2 seconds, more than enough to play Mabinogi, too. But I can't connect directly to Mabinogi's servers because they have a stupid policy where they attempt to force Korean IPs to play on Korean servers. This causes exceptional lag and drives me away from playing.
You would think that as long as I play Mabi they won't care where I pay. >_> As a result they lost a customer. Eh.
The dex-gives-pierce sounds awesome. Maybe we can see the revival of archery soon :P
Post by: alexwazer on September 18, 2013, 08:18:45 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 18, 2013, 08:45:36 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2013, 08:53:11 pm
I hate Nexon.Don't we all? :P
Huh, and I was about to get Mana Shield, too... eh. Wonder if it's still worth it? Of course I'm sure it's still better than NOT having it...It's not bad by any means. If it'll let you survive 2 Peaca hits, for example, instead of 1, it's worth getting. And there's not much else you'll be doing with the MP unless you're magical.
Post by: Seriyu on September 18, 2013, 08:54:35 pm
I hate Nexon.
See, I played a different game (League) that most likely has servers in the same place as Mabinogi, which is West Coast/California. I can connect directly to their servers, and get an outstanding ping of only 190~225. That's 0.2 seconds, more than enough to play Mabinogi, too. But I can't connect directly to Mabinogi's servers because they have a stupid policy where they attempt to force Korean IPs to play on Korean servers. This causes exceptional lag and drives me away from playing.
You would think that as long as I play Mabi they won't care where I pay. >_> As a result they lost a customer. Eh.
The dex-gives-pierce sounds awesome. Maybe we can see the revival of archery soon :P
Yeah, nexon has some.... terrible server policies. The "servers by region" thing should've gone the way of the dodo a long time ago.
Huh, and I was about to get Mana Shield, too... eh. Wonder if it's still worth it? Of course I'm sure it's still better than NOT having it...
I was planning to take a break from Mabi too, but AP/a Flamemare for minimal effort per day is too good to pass up. That is, if I can remember to log in every day, which is doubtful. But I'll try. :P
No matter how much mana shield has been nerfed it will always be worth it.
Always. :P
Post by: majikero on September 18, 2013, 09:16:57 pm
I'm contemplating on how much damage will water cannon do with my 600 MP.
Post by: Skyrunner on September 18, 2013, 09:21:55 pm
Post by: alexwazer on September 18, 2013, 09:25:57 pm
From what little I've played with Kyu, the difference is noticeable, but nowhere near worth starting alchemy if you haven't already. Not for the damage skills anyway. Barrier spikes, rain casting, frozen blast, sand burst and life drain could all be worth it (and shock if you can get the damn pages...)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2013, 09:49:48 pm
Wonder if it'd be worth rebirthing into a Vate when that comes out to avoid getting the pages altogether.... Probably not.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 19, 2013, 04:57:50 am
Are the Bard skills... Viable? I guess is what I'm trying to say.
From what I've seen, it's mostly just support abilities,
But is it possible to get away with using Bard skills without investing in other skills for solo play?
EDIT: And also, what stats do bard abilities scale with, if any?
Post by: Skyrunner on September 19, 2013, 05:40:51 am
Trust me. When I started Mabinogi on the NA servers, Bard was recently released and all hyped. I got swindled and tried it and ended up concluding it's better if I went in and did smash and other melee instead of buffing.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2013, 07:32:01 am
Post by: majikero on September 19, 2013, 08:02:49 am
Harvest song is nice if your doing life skills. That reminds me, I should get that one.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2013, 08:08:42 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 19, 2013, 04:18:15 pm
Just murdered the fuck out of a wolf with a flute.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 19, 2013, 06:30:32 pm
(i'm a dumbass for selling them beforehand)
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2013, 08:14:35 pm
Post by: majikero on September 19, 2013, 08:22:11 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2013, 08:24:02 pm
Post by: Skyrunner on September 19, 2013, 08:29:56 pm
Bardic skills are great if you're not in the same league as the other party members - too noob to do damage, or too old and don't want to showboat - as it provides very decent buffs very easily. It's fantastic to go along with your main skillset - a mage with Enduring Melody will be doing better than without.I feel that doing a smash, counterattack, then playing dead is better than barding. You soak up aggro for a short while and deal damage. If you're smart you can keep doing delay tactics.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 19, 2013, 08:48:03 pm
Of course for pure aggro, fireball is pretty decent as well. Every enemy hit will aggro.
Post by: majikero on September 19, 2013, 09:00:18 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 20, 2013, 07:37:26 am
If you talked to Joe about the roll-call event, talk to him AGAIN to actually get your book and start accruing days!
Post by: Kaitol on September 20, 2013, 11:25:18 am
Post by: krisslanza on September 21, 2013, 09:38:03 am
And of course a rollcall event! Hrmm, seems you have 5 days of leeway, and I only missed 3... still, going to cut it pretty close if I try. Can you only get the rollcall on one character, I guess?
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 21, 2013, 09:40:51 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2013, 06:27:18 pm
And on a completely unrelated note...
Spoiler: found this in my wheaties (click to show/hide)
Post by: alexwazer on September 21, 2013, 06:48:54 pm
I did two EP today, one on Don and one on Sei. Got not demonic weapon, but I got 2 transformation medals: black dragon knight and young Tarlach. Good enough for me. The daily EP is kinda worth doing. You get an extra 100k experience and 30k gold (more if you sell the gold bag it comes with) and 25 AP coupons instead of the usual 12.
Something that's worth mentioning if any elf out there want to do those saga EPs. During the last battle of EP 9, do NOT kill the black dragon knight while riding. The mission is bugged and doesn't pick up the fact you killed him if you do so while riding (not just an elf thing, but elves most likely will want to ride around and shoot). I learned it the hard way after restarting the mission 3 times... it's already a pain to do once too.
Post by: majikero on September 21, 2013, 07:29:56 pm
Post by: alexwazer on September 21, 2013, 07:33:11 pm
Try restarting it. It can sometimes takes a few attempts before getting them to move.
Post by: majikero on September 21, 2013, 07:34:12 pm
Post by: alexwazer on September 22, 2013, 02:44:02 pm
Edit: Also did a run with Kyu. I must say the changes to alchemy are much more noticeable than I first thought. Especially sand burst which is much more useful now. Blinding the black dragon knight's illusion made fighting him much easier.
On a related note, concerning the change to Chain Cylinder, I know some people (aka Seriyu) were worried about this change. I got to say I rather like how it works now. It's still a toggle on/off skill, but always gives maximum charges for your CC rank and activate every 10-15 seconds depending on your CC rank. Unless you are spamming alchemy skills, that usually mean you get a lot more CC activation. The cooldown also starts right after you load a CC skill, not after using the charges, so loading ahead of time is a good idea.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 22, 2013, 05:53:11 pm
It was nice rolling through the quests, until I got to the hell hounds, D:
They didn't need to move to shoot fire at me.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 04:52:18 am
I picked up a pair of knuckles yesterday, and I have only one question.
Does it get better once you actually have the fighter skills? Because with Windmill being useless for counterattacking with knuckles, I need something more than Counterattack to convince me to keep using these.
Post by: Sonlirain on September 25, 2013, 06:53:39 am
From what i know windmill is nearly useless with knuckles for anything that's not checking chests for mimics.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 02:44:29 pm
I have knuckle mastery up to rank E dammit, and I only need the skill trained to F to get the quest.
Do you need to be in Iria or something?
Post by: alexwazer on September 25, 2013, 03:09:43 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 03:12:53 pm
Thanks
Post by: majikero on September 25, 2013, 03:13:42 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 03:42:17 pm
Post by: krisslanza on September 25, 2013, 05:26:12 pm
My god, half way into the quest chain, and I'm already being used for Trivial tasks.
If it's any consolation once you finish it, you get EVERY Fighter skill at once.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 08:17:32 pm
Yay for waiting for moon gates.
Post by: krisslanza on September 25, 2013, 08:22:12 pm
Well, now that I'vecharredutterly destroyed the 20,000 gold fish, I am onto the next part of the quest.
Yay for waiting for moon gates.
Look at it this way:
At least Moon Gates work like Mana Tunnels now, instead of them only going to a set location every night, which then changed every night...
Post by: Girlinhat on September 25, 2013, 08:59:23 pm
Post by: krisslanza on September 25, 2013, 09:02:26 pm
The old rotary moon gates was a good idea when moon gates were added. When the map got larger, not so much...
It did kind of make G2 a pain in the butt with Ceo Island, without some advanced preparation.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 25, 2013, 09:43:12 pm
Wow.
I did not see the ending of that quest line coming.
And now I'm going to get depressed because I grew kind of attached to those NPCs and I'll never see them again now.
Post by: majikero on September 25, 2013, 09:46:22 pm
Post by: krisslanza on September 25, 2013, 10:45:37 pm
The one you helped shows up in Tir I think. The bank or the healer's.
I think it depends on which one you got. I know Shena shows up around the Bank at Tir, yes.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 26, 2013, 08:06:05 am
Like, damn, I've died three times to emerald beetles now.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 26, 2013, 08:20:34 am
Wow, Kelpie is horrifically weak in the G8 sidequest you have to RP as him in.It appears a valid tactic is to level up. Use the sketch paper on the desert ghosts to gain exp, and spend your AP to rank some basic combat skills.
Like, damn, I've died three times to emerald beetles now.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 26, 2013, 08:37:46 am
Meh, I managed to get through the second floor without anymore deaths after that, so I'm content now.
This thread is pretty much where I come now to complain about everything that annoys me, :P
Post by: Seriyu on September 27, 2013, 04:46:17 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 27, 2013, 07:22:40 am
Yay, drama!
Post by: alexwazer on September 27, 2013, 04:32:45 pm
On another note, I got a demonic oculus lance from that last EP. So if anyone seriously consider training lance skills and reaching master talent, let me know. I'll save it for you, if you are interested.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 27, 2013, 04:39:03 pm
I have a Flute to use Bard Skills with, but I've gotten lazy, and don't bother using it anymore,
but at the same time, Enduring Melody has come in handy more than once,
And I probably won't use any other weapon, given how much damage I do with knuckles.
Yeah this post was useless, :P
Post by: alexwazer on September 27, 2013, 04:53:10 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 27, 2013, 05:06:50 pm
Post by: Seriyu on September 27, 2013, 05:08:51 pm
Post by: majikero on September 27, 2013, 05:12:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2013, 05:29:03 pm
But Aco's right, CCFB will only get more powerful with the 150% bolt boost with r1 Magic Weapon Mastery.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 27, 2013, 07:07:44 pm
I've been considering Sword and Board, but I've been holding off, given that shields are kind of expensive.
I was thinking Bows would be a nice secondary, but I plan on using Heavy Armor, so the hit to Dexterity would make that less worth while.
Ah well, I'll probably try out everything at least once eventually.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 27, 2013, 07:16:39 pm
Post by: majikero on September 27, 2013, 08:36:36 pm
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Post by: Seriyu on September 27, 2013, 09:14:32 pm
Thanks for all the suggestions, :D
I've been considering Sword and Board, but I've been holding off, given that shields are kind of expensive.
I was thinking Bows would be a nice secondary, but I plan on using Heavy Armor, so the hit to Dexterity would make that less worth while.
Ah well, I'll probably try out everything at least once eventually.
As a note, A round shield is a nice economy shield! Fairly cheap, few hundred to repair, and most of the defense and prot will come from your defense skill anyway. I believe it won't get quite as many boosts from shield mastery, since it's a "small shield" though. Should still be perfectly respectable.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2013, 11:55:08 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 28, 2013, 01:20:11 am
Hello friends, everyone's favorite Dirsister dropping in with a contribution: half-assed artworks. \o/ Hoorah!
I do know everyone's bro Ibid is Ibsis now, but at the time I could not remember for the life of me what she was wearing, so have ~*old-school Ibid*~ standing sassily against the stars and looking into the light of the future!! or something.Spoiler: tl;dr: Big image warning (click to show/hide)
How AWESOME, Bel! I am truly impressed, and honored. :'(
Did I every tell you how much more I like you than Dir? It's quite a lot. Enough, in fact, that the next time I log in I will have to show my gratitude in some way that makes him totally jealous. <3
Also, folks, how is the guild doing? :P
Post by: Seriyu on September 28, 2013, 01:48:03 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 28, 2013, 01:52:59 am
A renewal or leadership shift to laur would be very nice! There's a few people still looking to get into the guild. Otherwise same ole I think. I'm personally on hiatus because warframe is eating all of my time forever.
Gladly, provided the two of us can get on at the same time and she has premium/VIP/an Elksclub pass.
Oh, I know!
}}}~~~~>>>HEY LAUR, HOW DOES SUNDAY SOUND? WOULD THAT BE GOOD FOR YOU?<<<~~~~{{{
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 28, 2013, 07:16:09 am
Welp, time to find another armor that doesn't look dumb.
I mean, I won't be able to afford any armor anytime soon anyhow, but still, :P
EDIT: And I had to fight the Small Golem in Fiodh Dungeon.
And I managed to not die horribly.
I was quite tickled, to say the least.
When in doubt, run away and smash the key you have Charging Strike bound to. :P
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 28, 2013, 11:08:06 am
Post by: Kaitol on September 28, 2013, 11:51:48 am
Gargoyles. Gargoyles EVERYWHERE.
ohgodthegargoylessavemenoooooooooooooooo
Post by: alexwazer on September 28, 2013, 12:22:47 pm
If you want help for G1, just let me know (Donryu that is).
Post by: Singularity125 on September 28, 2013, 09:50:22 pm
1. Is there still any demand for blacksmithing? I was working on that in the distant past... I'm working on combat skills for now, but could easily go back to smithing after my next rebirth.
2. If there IS demand... can anyone be a tailor for me? I'll pay well. I just hate the tailoring side of things. :P
3. Are the daily shadow missions soloable at a decent level? If I'm logging in for the roll call thingy I may as well attempt them, but I don't know about charging in there head-first and dying horribly.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2013, 10:15:17 pm
2. We have no tailors. Don has good weaving ranks but straight-up tailoring? There's nobody but my sister who is inactive at best.
3. Yes. As long as you take it easy. Of course, there are some missions that nobody ever does even on the lowest difficulty: Sulfur Spider (explosions), Defeat the Shadow Wizard (immense number of powerful spawns), Taillteann Defensive Battle (keep NPCs alive? no thanks), Provocation (needs 3, which we can never drum up), and the rest of the castle missions (Ghost of Partholon, The Other Alchemists, Fomor Attack because they're all long).
I mean, you could definitely do them, but it'd be super long and probably not worth your time.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 28, 2013, 10:36:01 pm
2: You're not actually asking for a tailor, you're asking for a weaver - you need string, thread, leather straps, silk... That'd be Donryu.
3: You can play Shadow Missions on Basic difficulty for the 1.5 AP reward, otherwise just get on Ch1 and do Hard with a random group. I usually sit at the altar ten minutes before a group of 8 will form, depending on day and time of course.
Post by: Seriyu on September 29, 2013, 06:43:49 am
It always struck me as particularly bizzare. But Int certainly isn't a bad stat these days either.
A renewal or leadership shift to laur would be very nice! There's a few people still looking to get into the guild. Otherwise same ole I think. I'm personally on hiatus because warframe is eating all of my time forever.Gladly, provided the two of us can get on at the same time and she has premium/VIP/an Elksclub pass.
Delightful! I'm sorry if I seem naggy, but there's like... two, maybe three new people? And they've been inactive even out of the guild, soooo it'd be really nice to get them in! Thank you for that again! :D
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on September 29, 2013, 07:01:04 am
1: Play what you want. Smithing can be fun, so go for it!
She is lying. Crafting is pain. Put all of your AP in combat skills, denounce friendship, and learn to punch things with unparalleled proficiency!
For longevity's sake, though, crafting is a good idea.
Smithing actually gives Int and Dex. Why int? I DUNNO!
It always struck me as particularly bizzare. But Int certainly isn't a bad stat these days either.A renewal or leadership shift to laur would be very nice! There's a few people still looking to get into the guild. Otherwise same ole I think. I'm personally on hiatus because warframe is eating all of my time forever.Gladly, provided the two of us can get on at the same time and she has premium/VIP/an Elksclub pass.
Delightful! I'm sorry if I seem naggy, but there's like... two, maybe three new people? And they've been inactive even out of the guild, soooo it'd be really nice to get them in! Thank you for that again! :D
Yeah, I apologize. That's really not ok, being that Mabi has so much to offer, and comrades make the game about tenfold as fulfilling as it is on your lonesome! I'll log on in the afternoon (PST) and idle while I do some homework tomorrow- just message me when you're ready for the transfer, Laur.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 29, 2013, 07:40:39 am
I decided I would roleplay a Semi-Insane giant blacksmith with one of the two-handed hammers.
I could crit for almost 800 before my cumulative level was 50, :P
Post by: Kaitol on September 29, 2013, 10:54:53 am
For being a mostly player-run economy its not very nice to low-level crafters. All the stuff I can make without tons of resources is sold by NPC's dirt cheap, so its not even worth the time to try and sell the stuff I make to players. So I sink in a huge amount of time to make like... 3 things I could maybe sell for 1000 gold. Buh. Sort of sapped my will to play a pure crafter.
Post by: Seriyu on September 29, 2013, 04:46:47 pm
However! Gacha's, being random, tend to not spit out the really good stuff, so it's entirely possible to make some money as, again, a high level crafter with very nice recipes from dungeon drops and such. If you think you're gonna make bank on selling amped up gladiuses to anyone besides new people that desperately need a weapon for cheap then you maaay be out of luck. Of course that big change just swung by, so high balance weapons may also be in more high demand, and that may change the market as well, as I believe a lot of "non craftable" weapons tend to have fairly low balance.
Post by: majikero on September 29, 2013, 08:29:00 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 29, 2013, 09:16:23 pm
It's also permanent. Those spell tomes are going to wear out eventually~
Post by: majikero on September 29, 2013, 09:18:55 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on September 29, 2013, 09:33:45 pm
Post by: teoleo on September 30, 2013, 10:48:40 am
Post by: Girlinhat on September 30, 2013, 10:51:05 am
Also, if anyone has Thunder pg.4 laying around, please mail it to Laur.
Post by: majikero on September 30, 2013, 09:18:55 pm
Also found out you can clear out part of b3 in Hillwen to mine that huge crystal. I'll test it when I need hillwen.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 30, 2013, 09:21:55 pm
And it's not likely to get any better soon, :P
Post by: Malt_Hitman on September 30, 2013, 09:43:58 pm
1. Does a new character have any hope of interacting with more advanced characters? With crafting being a pain or crafters being fairly useless is this a game where a new player can provide some benefit to higher level characters or does a new character have to grind for six months before being of any use?
2. Is there any use in trying to play a healer/support caster? I like playing combat classes but I’ve also found that a dedicated healer seems to get accepted faster in a random group due to rarity. Bard appears to be the support class and I’ve seen a Party Healing spell on the wiki.
3. I’ve seen people on the official forms knocking the game’s freemium aspect and saying that it went pay-to-win. Is there any truth to that?
4. Are there any spots or positions still open in the group? I couldn’t promise much play time with a full-time job but I have a few hours each weeknight and some extra on the weekends.
Post by: Seriyu on September 30, 2013, 09:56:05 pm
2. Healing and support are more auxilary. If you wanted to you could easily play a combat class with a secondary focus on healing or support, but you should primarily be focusing on combat, due to how the combat works. A monster won't lay off of you just because you're support and fighting more then one monster at once is a risky prospect at best, even for experienced players.
3. There's some truth to it. There are things called reforge tools, and some of them are cash only, and they provide pretty huge usability boosts to reforging in general. With that said, reforges are by and large min-maxing sort've things. I wouldn't call it pay2win, I'd call it "pay2better". You can still easily match a person with said reforges in terms of staying alive and killing things, he'll just have more damage/survivability (the combat revolves around not getting hit, so that isn't as big a deal as you'd think). There aren't any cases of someone plonking a reforge down and SUDDENLY HE'S A TINY GOD AND SOLOS END GAME CONTENT or anything. No matter how you slice it you are working to get to the point where you can clear things.
4. The group is fairly loose, and mostly there to provide background chatter and help if you need it. It's currently in a lull, so yeah, don't be afraid to interact with randoms. Generally pretty well behaved, although it's a F2P game so it can be very hit or miss. Don't worry about "party composition" too much, it's basically all about the combat, support roles just make combat less risky, and healing basically everyone can do to some degree. Not that there's not any benefit to having high rank healing and support skills, of course. It's not like say, WoW where doing a high end dungeon requires this and this and this and this and that.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 30, 2013, 10:05:18 pm
Magic crafting is rank 8 now. Whoop whoop! 8)r7. My level, get on it. 8)
Also found out you can clear out part of b3 in Hillwen to mine that huge crystal. I'll test it when I need hillwen.
But yeah that hillwen tip's useful. I'll help since I'll need it too. :P
I have sunk into the 'I am doing nothing more than logging in once a day with my two accounts' phase.Welcome. There is no escape. Hehehahahaha no just kidding it's fine we'll be back in a couple months anyway
And it's not likely to get any better soon, :P
I started up the game and created a character tonight. I’m hoping to get though all of the basic stuff in a few days and had a few questions for the vets.I drafted Seriyu to help answer, but I'll type up my own stuff here too.
1. In addition to aggro notes provided above (very important not to have to fight 2+ guys at once), you can also help revive downed players if they make mistakes, and also learn from the big men in action. There are some very helpful fighting tips that the ingame tutorials don't tell you about.
2. I would not recommend focusing purely on supporting moves. In my experience most randoms are willing to take anyone aboard despite skill setup. And combat is more useful in my opinion, especially considering our activity (play actively for a couple months, go dormant for another couple months) you'll have to solo at least a few things.
3. Yeah, reforges are the bulk of the P2W complaints. They do provide a big edge to those willing to shell out for the perfect reforge but this costs a lot of money and time and really isn't worth it to most of us. We mostly just ignore them and we're doing fine. Pets, rebirths, and gachas make advancement a bit easier but aren't 100% needed as you can get free ones or get other equally good (if not as cool looking) stuff outside of gachas.
4. There is always room. However unfortunately it's currently both inactive and closed as we're in the process of transferring leadership (I think). When it reopens you're more than welcome to come in, and actually encouraged since it'll make doing stuff with you a lot easier.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 30, 2013, 10:07:42 pm
2: Healer not so much, but caster yes with some effort. I'm just reaching the point where I can play a dedicated mage, mainly with the aid of the Hermit's Staff. You just have to realize that to get good at being a mage, you need fusion bolt Fire + Ice, and preferably mana reduction of some kind. Elemental Masteries can provide up to 20% reduction costing just MP, and providing decent INT, as well as improved damage, hermit staves can be upgraded for MP reduction, and equipment combinations can help as well. You can get a total of ~50% MP reduction if you play it smart. Your main goal will be to throw fireball or thunder as soon as a room of enemy's spawn, or to spam fire+ice everywhere.
3: Nah, don't worry about the freemium. The big 'pay to win' is the Gachapons - you buy a lottery item and get something at random, always valuable. They can be used as-is, or sold at a profit. However with few exceptions, these are cosmetic. You can find a better weapon or armor using game-cash easily.
4: Always, though currently we cannot recruit anyone.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 30, 2013, 10:11:57 pm
Post by: majikero on September 30, 2013, 10:17:51 pm
2. Again, support is basically staying back with revive feathers, a healing wand and bandages. The dedicated healer is basically someone who stays out of the fight and revives people and no one wants that role when they can dish out massive damage.
3. They're just pissed off that things in gatcha makes crafting obsolete. Keep in mind that getting what you want from Gatcha is essentially gambling.
4. We don't really have any need for people to play in a specific way. Just play the way you want and we'll work around it with superior firepower and lots of potions.
And yes, hermit staves can fuse bolts. No wait, ALL staves can fuse now.
Post by: Girlinhat on September 30, 2013, 10:34:27 pm
And you might be saying "Oh 6% damage difference, hogwash" but let me crunch some numbers!
The full equation for magic damage is:
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{ [ ( spell_damage * full_charge_multiplier ) + wand_bonus ] * charge_multiplier + ( damage_enchants * spell_constant ) } * ( 1 + magic_attack/100 + elemental_mastery_bonus + bolt_mastery_bonus + staff_elemental_level_bonus + hebona_set_bonus + rosemary_glove_bonus ) * ( 1 + normal_upgrade_bonus + title_bonus ) * ( 1 + special_upgrade_bonus ) * 1.1 * thunder_multiplierOr, if we strip away the irrelevant info...Code: [Select]
spell_damage * ( 1 + magic_attack/100 + elemental_mastery_bonus ) * ( 1 + normal_upgrade_bonus ) * ( 1 + special_upgrade_bonus ) * 1.1Punching in numbers:r1 Fireball lists 2,400 damage. My magic_attack is about 75 (non-trans). Mastery is at r5 for +11%. The normal_upgrade_bonus is our variable, from 2% to 8%. The special_upgrade_bonus is currently 0% because it's not blue/red, but it could be 84% at max - even at one blue up it'd be 12%.
so:
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1 blue up:
2,400 * (1 + 75/100 + .11) * (1 + .02) * (1 + .12) * 1.1
Max blue up:
2,400 * (1 + 75/100 + .11) * (1 + .02) * (1 + .84) * 1.1The results here are 5,609.64096 and 9,215.83872.At 8% staff damage...
5,939.61984 and 9,757.94688
A difference of about 300 damage at r1 Blue, and 500 damage at r6 Blue. That's NOT including the actual staff's upgrades, which net it +18% damage, future levels of Fire Mastery, or the more Magic Attack I'd get as I progress.
ALSO a note to all the people who use magic. After consulting the math, it appears that (more or less) every 5 INT gives you +1% damage.
Post by: majikero on September 30, 2013, 10:50:11 pm
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1100293184482685619/E1CDA58589B883F3EE86916A547CA75E997491AC/)
Also got tired of renewing my fashion slot so I'm gonna be a mushroom for a while.
Post by: Kaitol on September 30, 2013, 11:02:40 pm
Maybe when I get the flame mare I'll be motivated to play to level it up so its not worthless in combat like all the freebie pets.
Which are worthless because I'm too lazy to play them to level them up.
Laziness is a vicious cycle.
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 30, 2013, 11:30:04 pm
And a question about the pets I got for doing the noob quests: Do they ever expire? That free horse card I got when I first made my character expired, and I don't know if the same thing will happen to my new horse and giant eagle friend.
Post by: majikero on September 30, 2013, 11:33:20 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 30, 2013, 11:34:50 pm
I wish I didn't have so much homework, I want to play ;~; I'm assuming AP doesn't regenerate infinitely while you're offline?You get a pretty okay amount for aging up but past 25 it stops. I think, anyway.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 01, 2013, 01:31:59 am
Unfortunately, can't spare the fare for a renewal myself right now.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 01, 2013, 05:45:22 am
I need to know if I need to actually play for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
Post by: alexwazer on October 01, 2013, 06:32:28 am
Is the daily rebirths for under level 300 only going to be for the event?
I need to know if I need to actually play for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
This isn't related to any event, it's a permanent change for new players. Same way it was before for level under 100. That's a really nice change considering how fast you can hit 100 now and how little 100 cumulative level actually is. Nexon has been constantly doing changes to make it easier to get into the game, both for new and free players. That's just the latest such of these changes.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 02, 2013, 04:50:48 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 03, 2013, 03:43:12 pm
How much are Red and Blue Upgrade stones worth?
Post by: Girlinhat on October 03, 2013, 03:46:34 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 03, 2013, 04:31:28 pm
Also, how do I view my Wine after I've started it aging?
Post by: Kaitol on October 03, 2013, 11:27:31 pm
Did they fix it?
Post by: Seriyu on October 04, 2013, 12:36:30 am
Folks are going to have to message me and hope that I am around when they want to do the hand-over. I've spent the past couple of days idling, but didn't notice any activity.
Unfortunately, can't spare the fare for a renewal myself right now.
I haven't been on so again, I can't vouch for much, but last I'd heard (admittantly a while back) was that GirlInHat was up to renew for the guild.
Is that still the case GirlInHat? If not, is anyone else willing to pay for at least for a month to get the new folks in? If not we'll manage, we have for a while now, but if we could get people in now it'd be nice. If so, hop on for a bit and try to get it worked out with Ibid. I'd pay but yeah, no money I'm afraid. :P
I am also unsure on wine as I haven't done it in forever. Should be able to check it at any merchant imp in any town.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 04, 2013, 12:58:55 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 04, 2013, 05:17:58 am
3 weeks to go!
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 05, 2013, 09:53:04 am
I picked up another blue upgrade stone for 60k and a Trinity Staff for 15k.
I assumed the Trinity Staff was a good deal, considering everything else with a half decent model costs a ton. (I have no plan on using magic anytime soon, so meh).
Questions time!
Does the Gem Upgrade for a weapon take all the gem types listed, or just one?
Post by: Girlinhat on October 05, 2013, 09:55:01 am
15k for a Trinity Staff is pretty amazing, actually.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 05, 2013, 12:58:21 pm
Folks are going to have to message me and hope that I am around when they want to do the hand-over. I've spent the past couple of days idling, but didn't notice any activity.
Unfortunately, can't spare the fare for a renewal myself right now.
I haven't been on so again, I can't vouch for much, but last I'd heard (admittantly a while back) was that GirlInHat was up to renew for the guild.
Is that still the case GirlInHat? If not, is anyone else willing to pay for at least for a month to get the new folks in? If not we'll manage, we have for a while now, but if we could get people in now it'd be nice. If so, hop on for a bit and try to get it worked out with Ibid. I'd pay but yeah, no money I'm afraid. :P
If someone has at least 900 NX on their account I can help with the handover. I went out this morning and picked up a $10 card which should cover the bulk of the cost for a Premium membership if the cost on the Web Shop is current and for 1 month of service.
I can PM the code to whoever is going to get the hand-off when you’re ready for it.
Post by: majikero on October 05, 2013, 09:13:22 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Demonic Control bar. Finally got a reason to master puppetry. While puppetry has a weakest potential in my 3 main damage talents, it's the most useful overall.
Also, 15k for trinity staff is probably because hermits staff replaced it entirely.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 05, 2013, 09:39:41 pm
Overall this is moot, because casting all magic without charging is just way too great and Hermit's is the very best.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 06, 2013, 07:18:49 pm
Welcome the new folks tot he guild, people!
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 06, 2013, 07:26:54 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 02:35:00 pm
Post by: majikero on October 07, 2013, 03:04:29 pm
Post by: Kaitol on October 07, 2013, 03:07:43 pm
Kreandel (Kraendal?)
Morhgana
KLawrence
Possibly more, they'll say they're from Kaitol from bay12.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 03:21:30 pm
It keeps happening to me at the worst possible times.
Also, tomorrow is my last daily rebirth, D:
Post by: Sonlirain on October 07, 2013, 05:11:36 pm
Usually a relog solves the problem.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 07, 2013, 05:39:19 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 06:04:34 pm
Post by: Kaitol on October 07, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Should have just got the regular version from the start.
Blah.
Post by: majikero on October 07, 2013, 07:22:40 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 07:27:49 pm
Bloody steam version only letting you sign in on one Nexon accounnnnt!
Should have just got the regular version from the start.
Blah.
All is not lost. You can go into the game files in your steam folder and run the game without steam that way.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 07, 2013, 07:33:35 pm
Anyone got the 50 skill exp medal yet? I used mine on magic crafting.Saving mine for Blacksmithing eventually.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 07:54:23 pm
Yay, wastage.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 07, 2013, 08:04:03 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 07, 2013, 08:13:42 pm
Post by: majikero on October 07, 2013, 08:21:48 pm
Anyone got the 50 skill exp medal yet? I used mine on magic crafting.Saving mine for Blacksmithing eventually.
It lasts for 7 days.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 07, 2013, 08:22:57 pm
...well damn. Guess I'll be spamming Carpentry hard trying to get a rank up, then using the token.Anyone got the 50 skill exp medal yet? I used mine on magic crafting.Saving mine for Blacksmithing eventually.
It lasts for 7 days.
Post by: Seriyu on October 07, 2013, 09:15:08 pm
If you have submitted an invite and nobody's gotten to it after a day or two, post in the thread and I will hop on and get you in!
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 07, 2013, 09:30:02 pm
Anyone got the 50 skill exp medal yet? I used mine on magic crafting.Yeah, I did too. Got it a few days ago because I haven't missed a day because what is my life
Post by: alexwazer on October 07, 2013, 10:38:30 pm
Besides that, I barely bother logging once every day.
Post by: Keuran on October 07, 2013, 11:37:57 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 08, 2013, 12:34:29 am
Got it too. I used it for blacksmith, so I'm now almost rank 8. It was not really worth using it, but whatever.Same here, same here.
Besides that, I barely bother logging once every day.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 08, 2013, 12:36:43 am
Post by: alexwazer on October 08, 2013, 02:35:17 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 08, 2013, 02:48:28 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 08, 2013, 04:52:31 am
With light armor, and chain mastery at rank 1, my 3rd chain skills will do the full 40% bonus damage.
With heavy armor, that will be brought down to 20%.
But with heavy armor, I would be like, twice as durable.
But light armor is also cheaper and doesn't kill my dexterity...
Meh, I have time to figure it out, I guess.
Also, do special upgrades, (I.E. Blue Upgrade stones) increase the repair cost of the weapon you use them on?
Post by: Girlinhat on October 08, 2013, 07:47:43 am
I'm at Cromm Cruaich now and he's become an impassible wall on my quest for 40 AP and storyline resolution. Is there anything I should do about him beyond bringing a full bag of potions and some firewood?I don't even know who that is, but I've got r1 Fireball so YOLO let's go for it.
Also, do special upgrades, (I.E. Blue Upgrade stones) increase the repair cost of the weapon you use them on?No.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 08, 2013, 02:32:27 pm
A few things I need to know before I start planning.
How long will it take to do Tir Na Nog up to Final Dance?
How many people can you bring?
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 08, 2013, 03:31:26 pm
So now that my Cumulative level is 300 and I'm in the guild, I think it's time I planned on doing the last of the G1 quests and fighting Glas Glabibhleann (Looking at his stats I'm pretty sure I could solo him if he didn't summon gargoyles.)
A few things I need to know before I start planning.
How long will it take to do Tir Na Nog up to Final Dance?
How many people can you bring?
It's a mobile suit! It's a spoiler!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Up to three people-folk can join you, but rest assured you won't need that many of us. I'd recommend taking at least two, however, to make sure you have enough cover for all the aggro.
Post by: Keuran on October 08, 2013, 08:07:24 pm
...I'd be willing to give ol' Cromm a shot between the eyes, if folks would like to meet up. Just like old times! ^^
If no one else volunteers, I could also go. But only if no one else feels like helping a fellow guildy :P
I don't even know who that is, but I've got r1 Fireball so YOLO let's go for it.I'm not actually in the guild, but thanks for offering to help. This week is too busy to be able to find a large enough block of time for something like Baol, but I should be available next week if anyone still wants to go.
I can also provide free potions if anyone wants them - ever since I bought a potion bag, I've been in the habit of carrying a small party worth of potions and making more faster than I can use them.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 08, 2013, 08:24:43 pm
Also, Arahishi, if you're still about, I'm gold for that G1 Finale ;)
Post by: Kaitol on October 08, 2013, 08:39:07 pm
YesIknowIhaveaproblem,thankyouverymuch.
That wasn't even all of them... just the important ones...
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 09, 2013, 04:52:08 am
And my parents enforce a bed time for me, (Yay smothered) so the times I have to get things done are kinda... limited.
But I ended up having to leave an hour earlier than I expected anyhow so It's probably for the best that we weren't in the middle of something.
Anywho, I MIGHT be able to do it tonight, but if not, sometime during the weekend should work.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 09, 2013, 06:05:34 am
Anywho, I MIGHT be able to do it tonight, but if not, sometime during the weekend should work.
No worries! Any time you're good and ready, and I'm around.
I can hardly wait to test out those guns again. The skillset really is much cooler than I was expecting! Some of the individual skills are less useful than others (lol grappleshot?), but I do love me some somersaulting into the fray and busting caps as everything around me explodes into aetheric residual. 8)
On the one hand, the DPS seems lacking. On the other, the crowd-control and stopping power are pretty satisfying.
Not sure what to make of "Bullet Storm" yet. I've never seen it hit more than two enemies at once. It seems like something with a lot of potential at high levels, but I'm not as impressed as I am with, say, "Way of the Gun," "Bullet Slide," and "There Is No Spoon."
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 09, 2013, 10:56:55 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 10, 2013, 02:17:03 am
Gunslinger really is the class for me. Zero traditional defensive capability (those who have seen me fight know it's never done me any good :P) all-out attack to bog the enemy down, evasive maneuvers for handling the aggro, and limited ammo to keep my mind in the game. And the control- the control speaks for itself! The ability to stand in the middle of the room and barrage goblins with high-powered, rapid-fire "bolt-spam" is wonderful, especially when it means you can pull friends out of the fire. I love this skillset. ^.^
For your general dungeon runs and farming errands it's a miracle. For boss fights, master bandits, and soloing tankier enemies, less so. That said, I'm about only rE-B in all skills. Takes ages to level up.
Post by: Seriyu on October 10, 2013, 03:08:18 am
Those were all me.... :-[
YesIknowIhaveaproblem,thankyouverymuch.
That wasn't even all of them... just the important ones...
It's okay I have altitis too
...I'd be willing to give ol' Cromm a shot between the eyes, if folks would like to meet up. Just like old times! ^^If no one else volunteers, I could also go. But only if no one else feels like helping a fellow guildy :PI don't even know who that is, but I've got r1 Fireball so YOLO let's go for it.I'm not actually in the guild, but thanks for offering to help. This week is too busy to be able to find a large enough block of time for something like Baol, but I should be available next week if anyone still wants to go.
I can also provide free potions if anyone wants them - ever since I bought a potion bag, I've been in the habit of carrying a small party worth of potions and making more faster than I can use them.
While I understand you may not want to get into the guild for whatever reason (and that's fine, don't take this as me trying to get you in), I do suggest that if you want to be in, in the slightest, to get in ASAP, because the continued existence of the guild stone is perpetually in question. :P
Also good luck with Cromm Facekillz! This will be the hardest gen for a while. Unless you skip the iria gens and move on to alchemist gens right away. Then it honestly scales up at about the same rate. Thankfully the non solo bosses are all perfectly vulnerable to a guild based hit squad.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 10, 2013, 04:34:50 am
Glas, however, that fucker's going down.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 10, 2013, 03:27:43 pm
EDIT: Also, woo, got the first special upgrade done on my knuckles.
Post by: Seriyu on October 10, 2013, 10:12:38 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 11, 2013, 05:57:18 am
Anyone else with anything planned, or suggestions, should post! I'm quite up for commerce, dungeoneering, and just generally goofing around.
Don't duel Arahishi, he's a fellbeast.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 11, 2013, 09:28:08 am
btw, I'm Arahishi, if the confusion has been nobody knowing my IGN.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 11, 2013, 02:51:25 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 11, 2013, 06:06:52 pm
You are hilarious, Ibid, never change.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 13, 2013, 12:35:18 pm
Again, some more questions:
Exploration: Is there a sweet spot for raising exploration early on? Right now I don’t have much in ranged capability so I’d guess rafting would be out. I’ve just been grinding the vanished bird statue exploration quest for some easy levels. I can usually get to 10 or 11 before I get too bored with it.
Pets: Are pets worth it for soloing dungeons and early combat? I know there are some tricks with pet rebirth that you can go from one pet to another and carry over higher level skills. I’ve seen some people say Imp -> Something for magic and Bear -> Something for healing and crits. Apparently you can also play as a pet.
Free skill resets under 300: Is this a big deal? With all of the grinding you’d have to put in to level a second skill set it would seem not worth it but since AP is harder to get at higher levels does this provide a large advantage?
Post by: Girlinhat on October 13, 2013, 12:50:02 pm
Pets: Some are very decent, such as anything with a summon attack (dragons, Pegasus, scooter...) or anything particularly strong, like the griffon or Pegasus... you can see how these are mostly limited edition pets. Others will help in other ways, such as Herb Gnu and Cobra - poison attacks are based off the enemy's HP, so a properly placed poison strike can deal WAY more DPS than you'd ever be capable of achieving.
The main purpose for pets is storage though. You can rebirth pets into different animals, which will keep the skills they've gained but allow them to gain new skills - the Thunder Spaniel rebirthed into a pig, would still be a pig able to cast Thunder. Otherwise, rebirthing is RARELY useful for pets. They don't gain anything really.
Skill Resets: Only really useful if you play as a mage or alchemist and then realize this is a terrible start, and want to go melee or something. The skill training time isn't a big deal, especially with talents you gain skill exp faster than you gain AP, so don't even worry about that. You might also do some small trickery with this, like maxing Production Mastery, resetting it, then working on Refining, then getting Production back up - Refining is a unique skill because you're required to fail to level up. Otherwise, the reset is just in case you've started a skill path you don't like and want to try a different option.
Post by: alexwazer on October 13, 2013, 02:24:10 pm
I'll be on later tonight and could help with G1, or whatever else.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 13, 2013, 05:41:48 pm
The entire thing is really a faceroll, until the Shadow Wizard.
Then, dem wisps be hatin'
Post by: Seriyu on October 13, 2013, 06:36:05 pm
Post by: Keuran on October 13, 2013, 08:13:38 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 14, 2013, 06:44:04 pm
Anyhow, it looks like I'll be needing a partner for the next bit, if anyone happens to feel like joining me for a masochistic Karu run.
Post by: Singularity125 on October 14, 2013, 07:25:37 pm
I'm up to the final dungeon of G2 now, but don't feel like trekking through it tonight. Probably next weekend is when I'll actually be going through content again. I have so many games and so little time... but, if there is somebody going through G3 at that time, let me know. I'll try to work around it. :)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 14, 2013, 07:54:09 pm
Alas, Ibid, I didn't get struck by lightning, I was struck by pokemon. :P
I'm up to the final dungeon of G2 now, but don't feel like trekking through it tonight. Probably next weekend is when I'll actually be going through content again. I have so many games and so little time... but, if there is somebody going through G3 at that time, let me know. I'll try to work around it. :)
Take your time, and post here if things seem dead when you're ready. :P
Aeviternus added to the guild!
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 15, 2013, 04:17:36 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 16, 2013, 05:38:26 am
I would have been happy with 50, but DAYUM.
ANNND the potion lasted all of 3 minutes, :P
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 16, 2013, 04:50:51 pm
oh my god. According to the Wiki, the third AP potion from the attendance check is worth 100 AP!
I would have been happy with 50, but DAYUM.
ANNND the potion lasted all of 3 minutes, :P
Lucky ducat! I went and spoke to Caravan Joe about a week and a half ago and thought that everything was fine and well. Then when Aco pointed it out a couple of days ago, I learned I'd been going about my business with the attendance sheet and thus gotten zero credit for it. ::)
Oh well. If I'm lucky, I can still get the dye set, which will make for an excellent excuse to buy another outfit! Er, unless it's pink.
Speaking of excellence, last night I started my first Saga episode, and it's actually been quite good. The plot is what you would expect from Mabinogi, but better than most of its others, with some interesting, likeable characters, and even some recognizable humor! Logging in to wrap that up, and hopefully earn a fabulous prize! :D
....And we're Offline. Adding some fresh tasties to webshop, perhaps?! :D
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 16, 2013, 04:55:14 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 16, 2013, 05:07:36 pm
Wait until you fight your first Unknown Men, :P
Lucky for me, my Shadow Mission instances seem to be
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2013, 05:15:41 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 16, 2013, 05:46:47 pm
Man, that's the worst. Just wait til you have to lead some enemies away from an entrance and all they can do is twitch at you.
Elaborate, and be quick! =.=
Maybe... I could just unequip and windmill them away? :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2013, 05:52:05 pm
Naturally, this is super annoying.
You can probably fix it if you exit/re-enter the mission, but it could take a few tries.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 17, 2013, 01:34:41 pm
EDIT: Wow, logged on to do my attendance and bam, a suit of heavy of heavy armor right there on the ground next to me.
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2013, 08:50:36 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 17, 2013, 09:01:42 pm
I was lucky enough to be able to pick it up.
And it was either made by someone, or already upgraded, because it had 4 prot instead of 2. I didn't look.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 17, 2013, 09:12:07 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 17, 2013, 09:39:58 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on October 17, 2013, 09:40:24 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 17, 2013, 09:52:54 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 18, 2013, 12:55:39 am
or some guy bought heavy armor, then immediately dropped it for some reason. You never know with MMOs!
Elfdude11teen: "This armor looks neat!" *ching*
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 18, 2013, 05:48:20 am
Can't be arsed to log on and check atm, :P
Post by: Girlinhat on October 18, 2013, 07:30:45 am
It was Light Melka Chain Mail, IIRC.Light Melka Chain is a COMMON item for blacksmiths to mass produce for skilling up, due to its low resource requirements.
Can't be arsed to log on and check atm, :P
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 19, 2013, 10:32:16 pm
I REGRET NOTHING!
Post by: Seriyu on October 20, 2013, 06:39:45 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 20, 2013, 12:47:30 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on October 20, 2013, 11:47:56 pm
In the meantime, what's the best way to get to where the Guildstone is? And I might need to rebirth for the first time ever, it's been at least a week since I've last had the opportunity to play.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2013, 12:13:19 am
Post by: Kaitol on October 21, 2013, 01:19:51 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 21, 2013, 01:28:11 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 23, 2013, 12:24:15 pm
To turn in guild points and donate gold if they're already in, as I assumed he was (and just remembered he wasn't)? Plus, just saying "go to Cobh and look for our name" is easier than explaining the location of the button on the friendslist. Though both are pretty easy, we've traditionally done the first.
Just going to touch up on this, what with all the fresh blood! Guild Points are used in upgrading guild size and the guild stone (purely cosmetic) and creating robes (which are available from Eavan in Dunbarton- take a look, and tell me what you think!). At this point, converting points isn't essential, since we've already upgraded ourselves to the highest capacity of a thronging 250 members. That said, the whole feature is due for an overhaul, and it would be nice to have the resources if it ever comes. Also, we can always strive for that grand Guild Stone. :P
It is also possible to donate gold. While this serves little to no purpose as the moment, what with there being nothing substantial to spend it on, I've been thinking of putting it to use. How would folks feel about a weekly guild lottery, with a reasonable entry fee (5-10k) and a limit of 1-3 entries per person? To make it worthwhile, I'd be willing to add a sizable amount to the pot!
At any rate, the servers are currently down for maintenance and will be until around 2:30 PST this afternoon, pending the release of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LwpwQ3xf-U) Hopefully it is chocked full of AP. :P
As a last note, I'm looking for new ways to make a little gold on the side and spread the wealth with the guild. This being the case, it's looking like I will be reestablishing the Fjallheim Reserve, buying Holy Water, HS seeds, and crafting essentials at a flat rate to undercut the market. If you're interested or you have some interesting ideas, please speak to me!
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 23, 2013, 12:40:42 pm
Anyway, I would totally be willing to participate in a guild lottery! That'd be fun.
An idea: What if we started a sort of... Holy Water Salvation Army type thing?
I know personally that having an inventory slot taken up by a measily one holy water annoys the crap out of me, so what if we donate extra holy water to the guild, and sell it for like, 500 gold a pop to guild mates who need it to supplement the lottery? I don't see it as too inhibitive, and nobody likes having to do tons of church jobs after they get unlucky on a death and EVERYTHING they have is unblessed.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 23, 2013, 03:13:40 pm
That's a creepy ass event.
Anyway, I would totally be willing to participate in a guild lottery! That'd be fun.
An idea: What if we started a sort of... Holy Water Salvation Army type thing?
I know personally that having an inventory slot taken up by a measily one holy water annoys the crap out of me, so what if we donate extra holy water to the guild, and sell it for like, 500 gold a pop to guild mates who need it to supplement the lottery? I don't see it as too inhibitive, and nobody likes having to do tons of church jobs after they get unlucky on a death and EVERYTHING they have is unblessed.
That's essentially what the my original little "Fjallheim Reserve" play was, and I'm sorry to say it didn't work out. For one, people were rarely interested in selling their HW at all, and seemed very modest and reserved when it came to receiving any. As I result, it was usually just me with a couple contributions lugging around a bag of HW until it became a burden, selling some of it, then rinsing to repeat. The whole thing probably would have gone over well if Mabinogi had some sort of guild inventory or controlled perma-shop system, but alas!
As for the lottery, I like the idea- we can add HS seeds, HW, and other generally useful goodies to the pot. Heck, these could even been counted as "tickets" for admission, that way no one has to spend their precious gold. :)
Post by: alexwazer on October 24, 2013, 04:37:21 am
Joking aside, the excessive amount of campfire kits being thrown around lately really starts to make me believe Nexon has some plans about campfire.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 24, 2013, 08:18:39 am
Fashion Clothing (Girl's Dress, etc.)
Items that sit in your inventory and provide randomly occurring buffs (inventory hogs that encourage VIP)
Some AP along the way
Possibly more thorough completion rewards?
Of particular note:
Ghost Bride Tiara (2w1h) provides 1-5 more crit when it randomly activates.
Talking Skull (2w2h) +stats, like everything.
Witch's Ring (1w1h) 5-60 more MP - this one will be VERY important. If experience in buffs is any indication, it will not simply raise your max limit, but will actually provide fresh MP.
Vampire Fang (1w1h) 5-60 more HP - this will likely cure wound as well, if it raises your max HP, then it will cure wounds to small degrees.
Post by: alexwazer on October 24, 2013, 10:08:48 am
Some people showed up yesterday and saw what these merchants were offering, but apparently they sell different things every day of the week. Wednesday they were selling weapons, Thursday they are selling ES and Enchant Expiration Removal Scroll (yes, it does exactly what you think it does!). I can't wait to see what else they are offering.
On a completely unrelated note, I have been playing a lot lately with Kyu. I am quite happy about how alchemy works now and how it scales. Alchemy can now be seriously considered as a viable end-game skills set. It will still be lower overall damage, but it more than make up for that with its, now much improved, utility. Flame burst, sand burst and life drain are my new best friends.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 24, 2013, 10:13:48 am
I forgot to mention that earlier, but this update also added a new daily quest system (mostly gathering quests) and 2 new seals merchant. Now every daily quest (including SM and saga EP) gives 1 adventurer seal. These seals can be traded for various items.This is a big deal. Where are these merchants?
Some people showed up yesterday and saw what these merchants were offering, but apparently they sell different things every day of the week. Wednesday they were selling weapons, Thursday they are selling ES and Enchant Expiration Removal Scroll (yes, it does exactly what you think it does!). I can't wait to see what else they are offering.
Post by: alexwazer on October 24, 2013, 10:29:28 am
I guess I might as well link to the wiki page (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Seal_Merchant) too.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 24, 2013, 10:42:39 am
The Labyrinth event is interesting. I’d say that it’s pretty good but I guess that would depend on your expectation to be rewarded with good items instead of just receiving Halloween campfire kits. At a full 8 members in a party 4 of the reward chests will Fine, 2 will be Average, and 2 Poor. Still, all of the rewards I’ve gotten and most of what people say they get have been campfire kits with a few skulls and lanterns thrown in. One person may have scored a wig or dress in the 6 that I ran last night, if everyone was being truthful.
You get 3 tickets per character per day so there should be plenty of time to grind the event in a full party and get something decent. You’ll also get a character medal for each character you RP as during the event. My following experiences on the characters I’ve played:
Don Quixote: A pretty powerful lancer. You have a strong regular attack, strong windmill, and good lance charge. No real magic but you may be able to heal. A strong melee and you could be much worse off.
Halloween Imp: Melee with basic bolt spells. Not a very good character but it’s better than the Mabinogi Manager. You’re very short and that threw me off a bit with the change in camera.
Halloween Millia: I’m guess she’s a better character but I’m not used to playing advanced characters and I ran her on my second go so I still had no clue what was going on. Melee and magic with some advanced spells if I remember correctly.
Halloween Mabinogi Manager: A joke character. There may be some hidden potential here if you’re an experienced player but otherwise you’re a complete joke. You have only melee skills, a weapon that seems to do little damage, and little or no practical magic. I think you get healing but no offensive spells.
Halloween Talarch: Some melee and a descent bolt mage. With fully charged bolts you can likely do descent damage but you won’t be very fast to clear rooms of enemies. You wear the Halloween premium skeleton pajama outfit so not much to be excited about.
Vamprire Hunter Female: A gunner, which this was my first time playing. You get those upgraded mana bullets which do better damage so that’s a plus. I’d say the skills are good but I have no real clue. I managed to be in the first pair to reach the chests so that was nice.
I know organization is hard with differing schedules, timezones, and levels of activity but it would be nice to try and get a few 8 member parties going this weekend. Even if we can only fill a partial group we could always pickup spares at the event coach. You’re better off running the event with 8 people in the hopes of getting the best rewards even if they’re few and far between. From what I’ve heard you can’t trade passes or medals earned so that leaves out having a few active members collecting for everyone else.
For the lottery, I’d be willing to contribute. Seeds and holy water are pretty much free with minimal effort at the right time so item contributions may have to be capped if they start becoming the norm. I can’t think of a winner receiving 5 stacks of holy water and 10 bags of seeds being very happy about the space required to store their winnings.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 24, 2013, 02:57:19 pm
With any luck, I will be able to go out and buy a new GPU and/or CPU late this weekend or early next week. Until then, I'm on hiatus. :'(
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2013, 07:55:26 pm
I forgot to mention that earlier, but this update also added a new daily quest system (mostly gathering quests) and 2 new seals merchant. Now every daily quest (including SM and saga EP) gives 1 adventurer seal. These seals can be traded for various items.These seal merchants are officially the best. The BEST. They offer...
Some people showed up yesterday and saw what these merchants were offering, but apparently they sell different things every day of the week. Wednesday they were selling weapons, Thursday they are selling ES and Enchant Expiration Removal Scroll (yes, it does exactly what you think it does!). I can't wait to see what else they are offering.
Mondays: life skill materials (leather worries are somewhat alleviated)
Tuesdays: exploration exp items (give a ton of exp, 450k on the cheapest, but also cost a lot of seals)
Fridays: marionettes/associated items/potions (not really as important but cool because it offers another way of getting those minis besides gachas)
Saturdays: armor/clothes on Saturdays (looks like fashion items, could change from the current doctor/nurse stuff, as well as "Royal Knight" stuff which IIRC has better stats than normal heavy armor and also looks okay IMO here have some people talking about it (http://mabination.com/threads/75419-Royal-Knight-Armor))
...and most importantly of all...
Sundays: Skill Training Seals (come in 5% and 15% varieties, for 25/70 each). This could be just what we need to get ourselves a little boost in our life skills, combined with Monday's mats. And by little, I mean "get past rE enchant/other stuff".
e: Next we should look into seeing which dailies give out these wondrous seals.
Post by: majikero on October 24, 2013, 08:29:15 pm
Puppet minis Yayification! But the real prize is that 15 skill exp.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 24, 2013, 09:39:22 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2013, 09:40:31 pm
Post by: majikero on October 24, 2013, 09:45:35 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 25, 2013, 12:53:17 am
Skill seals are a thing now? Fuck yeah time to master me some shit! I could also go for a mega beam sword, because elven melee.
I've got some lying around. You're welcome to them- you can barely sell the things anymore.
Post by: alexwazer on October 25, 2013, 06:19:35 am
Call me crazy, but I refused to let that silly RNG have the last laugh, so I went and tried a solo Peaca run. There's nothing to lose in trying, except my life (multiple times), my sanity and a few hours. And thus, so started my journey with my own one man party.
Spoiler: clicky for full size (click to show/hide)
Surprisingly enough, I survived through the first floor. Well, if you don't count the three deaths that is.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But after this painful first hour, I started to reconsider. What's the point of even going through with this? 2 adventurer seals? I can get more than that doing other dailies. Experience or gold? That probably won't even cover the lost experience from dying or the repair cost. Bragging right? Well, now that's something to consider... bragging rights are the most important thing in gaming (just kidding, it comes second to seeing increasingly bigger numbers). With such an important reward awaiting me, I had to push forward and so I did.
Finally, after exactly 4h30 (based on screenshots creation time) I met the demi lich and helped him find peace at last. This is another case of a boss being a pushover compared to the dungeon in which it resides.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the end, victory was mine. I died a total of 7 times, used 6 nao stones (revived at statue once), used almost 1000 arrows and wasted a night. I can now rightfully brag about soloing Peaca! Was it worth it? It terms of reward, obviously not. However, the thrill and excitement I got out of this more than makes up for everything. I haven't been so thrilled running a dungeon since I was a naive 30 total level inept warrior.
This wouldn't be a proper post unless I bring something that's completely unrelated to the previous part, so here it is. Following the Fjallheim Reserve idea from Ibid, I thought it would be nice to organize weekly guild funding activities. This could be just about anything: running some shadow missions, dungeons or simply making a commerce convoy for a while. The gold earned during these activities would go into a guild bank/reserve that could be used to help members. For example, it could be used to buy a skill book page for someone that can afford it, to buy a glowing statue to do a Karu run or to buy manuals or patterns so that crafters can make gear for people who need them.
Personally, I'm too lazy to spend time making money. I always get distracted by other things. So I never really reach a point where I feel like I can donate to the guild. This would allow me to help without having to get bored doing stuff on my own.
Also, Nexon release a FAQ (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00HGB) for the daily quest system including every opportunities available to collect seals and all items available for trade. This also confirm that it was a mistake on Wiki concerning finest silk/firewood; they come in stack of 10 like others.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 25, 2013, 07:35:51 am
And, the guild actually has a bank. You can deposit gold into the guild stone, and once you hit a certain amount of gold the leader can make a budgeting request to withdraw gold, minimum 1mil withdrawn. This may actually be a problem for us, as I believe you need something like 50% player vote to pass a withdraw request, and many of our players are permanently inactive.
Post by: alexwazer on October 25, 2013, 06:32:32 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on October 25, 2013, 07:45:47 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 25, 2013, 08:55:20 pm
As for the Halloween event, grouping up after the hot-time event would be nice. It gives everyone a concrete time to shoot for and any latecomers may be able to pickup a group with other stragglers or those willing to do multiple runs. It seems like the Event Quest for the Labyrinth refreshes every day and one of the rewards is a 5 AP potion. Even if you hate the event or Halloween getting 5 AP isn’t too bad for one run though.
Post by: alexwazer on October 26, 2013, 04:45:55 am
Today is rebirth day for a few people, so this would be a good time to do that.
Edit: Also, it's Saturday and thus clothing day in the seal shop. I was able to get my first glimpse at the royal knight armor and it's... awesome. Can be worn by elves, has insanely good stats (even before upgrades) and looks great. So there goes my life for the next 60 or so day while I work on getting that on all three of my characters.
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 26, 2013, 08:07:23 am
The first time: The game decided to throw hardened bandits with a boss at me out of nowhere.
The second time: Giant wolves have heavy stander, apparently.
EDIT: But on a brighter note, as soon as I do my fourth church job for the day, I can buy my commerce wagon, :D
Post by: Singularity125 on October 26, 2013, 10:56:38 am
Post by: Girlinhat on October 26, 2013, 12:37:33 pm
Post by: alexwazer on October 26, 2013, 02:31:27 pm
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Post by: SirAaronIII on October 26, 2013, 02:52:36 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 26, 2013, 05:03:53 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 27, 2013, 12:49:12 am
Also, mind keeping an eye out for page 10 of Fireball for me? It's the last thing between me and being an elemental master. 8)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 27, 2013, 01:46:56 am
Just now now reading up on some of these posts, I see some nifty ideas floating around, which we'll have to chat on in-game! In particular, the treasury account sounds like a good idea, provided it isn't against the terms of service (Seriously folks, Nexon is notorious for permabans. I wouldn't risk violating their ToA or even doing something that might remotely appear to do so.)
Unfortunately, I am currently without sound- the very thing that got me into the game for the first time. From what I've read , the problem actually has to do with Nexon's downloader or download file. No surprise there.
Hopefully they will update this soon. If not, I am thinking about compressing and uploading the files from my own computer and then downloading them onto the new, but I'm not sure what sort of file-sharing service would accommodate that...
Anyhow, see ya in-games! (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1007489-No-Game-sound-what-so-ever</a)
Post by: itisnotlogical on October 27, 2013, 03:30:32 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2013, 04:57:48 am
Short update to let people know of something new in the guildSpoiler (click to show/hide)
WOAAAHHHH Congratulations, seriously! It's not an easy thing to do. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfrThZcz7G0)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 27, 2013, 11:37:43 pm
In addition to this, we once again have a guild shop as well! This means that any particularly valuable equipment and novelties you might be hoarding can be sold on the housing board, at your price, without any extra effort or expense on your part. As usual, I will be charging sellers the standard 15% sales tax to cover banking expenses. Space is at a premium, so quantities may be limited. PM me on these forums, or note/speak to me in-game!
Post by: Seriyu on October 27, 2013, 11:55:01 pm
Also Ibid, what is your avatar from? I've seen it somewhere and it's driving me crazy.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 27, 2013, 11:58:33 pm
Hooray Malt_Hitman! Also guild shop. This is a great way to get huge dolla, as someone that made heavy use of it back in the day. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!
Also Ibid, what is your avatar from? I've seen it somewhere and it's driving me crazy.
Bah, why should I tell you? Oh, go Eat Poop, You Cat! (http://www.eatpoopucat.com/)
Post by: Seriyu on October 28, 2013, 12:24:08 am
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 28, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 29, 2013, 05:58:12 am
Post by: Seriyu on October 29, 2013, 06:38:40 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 30, 2013, 03:47:19 pm
Post by: alexwazer on October 30, 2013, 04:02:07 pm
Pointless post removed because it would have made me look slightly like an idiot if anyone saw it, :D
Too late, I saw and read that already :P
Just in case someone wasn't there yesterday or missed my comment about it, I'll repeat here what I pointed out. Adventurer seals obtained from the various dailies can be traded between characters on the same account using the bank. So using alts to get them will get you your royal knight armor (or whatever you are after) that much faster. I'm still usually willing to hop on Don to help anyone with rafting or hot-air ballooning quests (you are responsible for getting your ice elemental however for the latter) and that could also apply to a handful of SM and/or Dungeon, although it might be with Kyu instead. Since we got plenty of free space in the guild, you might also want to get in with whichever alts you plan to play with.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 30, 2013, 05:37:03 pm
Serious answer: just do all the easy dailies. Notable ones are rafting/ballooning as mentioned, Madoc's quest for 5 nails, and non-Peaca dungeons/SMs (we usually do basic anyway so anyone can come along, unless you somehow don't have any talent at Green). Slightly more
Slightly related, the wiki and Nexon's FAQ mention a daily from a Giant spy where you deliver 5 white herbs. Do you have to gather the herbs (presumably from polar hornets) or is just having 5 and talking to the guy enough? And more importantly, where is he? The listed location is "Unfrozen Lake" which is probably in Physis, but all lakes look frozen, and he's not at the ice fishing area. (I think, anyway)
Post by: alexwazer on October 30, 2013, 06:15:31 pm
I never did the white herbs quest, but since it only specifically state to deliver them, I don't think you need to gather them, same as nails and marlin. I have no idea where he is however.
Post by: Girlinhat on October 30, 2013, 06:25:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 30, 2013, 06:47:51 pm
Post by: majikero on October 30, 2013, 08:07:46 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 31, 2013, 10:54:17 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on October 31, 2013, 01:12:56 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 01, 2013, 03:52:09 pm
Edit: Official announcement came up, so this will last until 12AM Sunday (3AM East, etc.)
Post-edit edit: That means, as far as I am concerned, shock pages hunting for Saturday... all 24 hours of it. Unless I get page 6 before that since other pages are from rewards chests which don't care about DR.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 02, 2013, 01:13:34 am
Good news, though! I'll be sure to sell my soul tomorrow evening and grind myself into oblivion for the duration of the event. ^^
Sometimes it's a good thing when Papa Nexon screws up!
Post by: alexwazer on November 02, 2013, 02:16:45 am
Also, Kyu kept the RA position for a second week. So last week was not just a "mistake" or one guy getting lazy and not doing the minimum required to be eligible. So that makes me slightly more confident that I might be able to hold on to it for a while.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 02, 2013, 06:56:19 am
No promises, :P
Post by: Singularity125 on November 02, 2013, 11:15:17 am
Post by: TwilightWalker on November 02, 2013, 01:27:58 pm
Hm, I should probably get back to this too. Been distracted by all the other awesome games I have. :P I think I'm a ways from being at G3 final, but we'll see.
Same but...only so much time, and so many games!
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 06, 2013, 05:27:58 am
How this works, apparently, is after the maintenance today, a giant version of the Trickster will spawn in northern Dunby every 4 hours. Once a day you'll get a quest to help kill him, which rewards 15,00 gold and experience, along with a Halloween pumpkin basket.
You also get some scroll that adds a pretty huge buff to pretty much everything once a day.
All and all, looks like it's a chance for all the people who don't do the event as it is now to get some shineys.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 06, 2013, 06:01:58 am
Hm, I should probably get back to this too. Been distracted by all the other awesome games I have. :P I think I'm a ways from being at G3 final, but we'll see.
Same but...only so much time, and so many games!
*grabs by ear*
No excuses, Art! =D (Just kidding, take your time.)
A couple of updates!
* Between daily SMs, wyvern-hunting, river rafting, jousting, and fetch quests, we have really been raking in the Adventure Seals. Having set my sights on a Hermit Staff, and then torn them away only to catch a glimpse of that snazzy Royal Knight Armor, I wanted to say that I've really appreciated all the teamwork that facilitates. Hopefully we can stick with it long enough to make these things count for something big! ^^
* A few of us expressed interest in getting ourselves some Hailstorm, and being that we've chased down literally everyone's intermediate magic already (excepting ol' Ice Spear, a work in progress for some of the newer folks), I think we should start planning. To that end, I've begun grinding Par for plenty o' crystals, and raising a giant for the task. With a little luck, we'll have what we need for the those who are ready within the week, and I won't fall in love with my alt. :P
Feel free to follow up or add to this!
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 06, 2013, 06:25:29 am
I've gotten so many over the months and just discarded them because I figured they were useless, :P
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 06, 2013, 06:33:19 am
Wait those crystal things from Par are actually useful? Woops.
I've gotten so many over the months and just discarded them because I figured they were useless, :P
You're a liar. No one runs par of their own free will.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 06, 2013, 06:43:00 am
Why not? It's a fun enough change from normal crap in Uladh. Besides, I got 30k from a penguin there once and I want to be there when it happens again.Wait those crystal things from Par are actually useful? Woops.
I've gotten so many over the months and just discarded them because I figured they were useless, :P
You're a liar. No one runs par of their own free will.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 11, 2013, 06:25:00 am
Or did I mess it up by not rebirthing until I was 20?
Post by: majikero on November 11, 2013, 07:48:53 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 11, 2013, 03:25:52 pm
Well. That sucks.
Post by: alexwazer on November 12, 2013, 08:36:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You don't even need to log into the game to obtain it since it's "bought" for 0NX from the webshop. So I highly encourage anyone that has not completely given up on Mabi to get it. You have until december 31st to get it.
Also, here's another of those very Nexon-like oopsy moment from the official announcement :P :
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Finally, I recently completed my Shock book! Finally! I'm happy :D That is all.
Post by: majikero on November 12, 2013, 11:28:17 am
Sorry for not being online when people are probably playing for those seals right now. I am currently busy with my old MMO love, Ragnarok Online. I dunno why but it sooo good for it's age.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 13, 2013, 05:37:14 pm
It means I get to drag two of you along on some boring dungeons for 1-2 hours.
Luckily for you guys, though, I won't have time to do this for a while, :P
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 13, 2013, 09:52:25 pm
Yay, free pets mean free inventory.
Sorry for not being online when people are probably playing for those seals right now. I am currently busy with my old MMO love, Ragnarok Online. I dunno why but it sooo good for it's age.
Return to us someday, and all will be forgiven.
I'm up to G1 finale with my Giant, so you guys know what that means?
It means I get to drag two of you along on some boring dungeons for 1-2 hours.
Luckily for you guys, though, I won't have time to do this for a while, :P
Hrm, I should probably do the same so that we can run it together...
Post by: Tyler6498 on November 13, 2013, 10:21:45 pm
So I guess I just need to know, gameplay-wise does the game at all get many improvements? Because I truly want to like this game as I am in love with the community, but just can't get pasted this initial feel.
Only lvl. 19 maybe 20 as I type this and hope more is to come.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 13, 2013, 10:30:24 pm
Once you get into the late game and end up fighting multiple stronger opponents at once, combat will either feel much more
If you find the world feeling empty, try to play on Channel 1. That is where most of the people are concentrated, and you'll see many more people than you would on channel 5.
If the talent you are using feels boring, try something new, mix it up! If Close Combat feels slow, try Martial Arts or Puppetry! If you don't like magic, you might like Alchemy! Only weird people like using bows, so try guns or something! The amount of ways to play the game are much more numerous than any other ever, so experiment! Try and find what works for you.
Post by: Seriyu on November 13, 2013, 10:43:20 pm
I'm honestly trying my best to find enjoyment in this game. I do like the community and combat at times but. It feels so rigid and clunky. When I click the minimap to move somewhere, the game tends to steer me into an object and not let the path finding complete it's course without player intervention. I can tolerate but dislike the camera the game has going on and have found the world to be pretty empty besides the capital zone.
So I guess I just need to know, gameplay-wise does the game at all get many improvements? Because I truly want to like this game as I am in love with the community, but just can't get pasted this initial feel.
Only lvl. 19 maybe 20 as I type this and hope more is to come.
Part of this is no doubt an unfamiliarity with the combat system, until you get the swing of things it feels very clunky and terrible. In that respect you need to get out of the concept of "hit two/three times, let enemy attack me, hit two/three times again" etc, because it's something that's encouraged by the game and you're never really weaned off it, and it paints a terrible picture of the combat.
Instead you want to do things like one two three, smash, assault slash, windmill after it stands up, defend, windmill because there's someone else attacking you, etc. Part of this is no doubt that a lot of early dungeons without multi aggro are snoozefests once you've got sufficient ranks in defensive skills. Hint: Rank windmill up to 9 at least. All the way to the top if you can.
Facekillz advice also holds true, don't be afraid to branch out, all of the skillsets play fairly differently and are generally fun to find your way around. I'm sure you can find some skillset you enjoy! Although getting some ranks in close combat is never a bad idea.
I will back up Facekillz and say ch1 is where most people are, but ch2 has a reasonable amount of people usually without the client wrenching lag that comes with walking around in dunbarton on ch1.
Don't be afraid to get into the clan while you can, if you haven't by the way. A lot of later content becomes very difficult to solo for quite a while until you have your skills up to snuff, and everyone in there is very nice.
If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask the thread! SirAaron will probably tell me through steam and summon me to help if you (or anyone else)does.
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 12:38:24 am
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DISABLE THE NAGLE ALGORITHM. It's completely harmless and many have done it with no ill effects. Instructions are here (http://mabination.com/threads/210-Improve-your-Lag-Disable-the-Nagle-Algorithm). I SERIOUSLY CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, DISABLE THE NAGLE ALGORITHM.
The game uses an old engine and thus can feel clunky, especially when using some of the newest skills, but depending on your computer and latency, the algorithm can make everything feels much clunkier. I actually died a few times after changing my computer before realizing I hadn't turned that off on the new one. The difference can be that important.
Post by: Seriyu on November 14, 2013, 12:40:50 am
Another thing on the minimap autopathing, is that if you use shift click, you can set sort've waypoints. So click to an intersection, then shift click up the street you want to go, then shift click down the other street to your destination or whatever.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 14, 2013, 01:06:47 am
As for the camera, you can allow it to zoom further out on the first options screen. Slide the zoom thingie all the way to the right.
If you mean the world is devoid of other players, then yeah, channels 1/2 are the places to go. If it's actual features and stuff.. yeah, I'd have to agree with that somewhat. For example, take Iria, an entire wondrous continent with open skies and beautiful scenery!..... then realize that there's not much to do there besides wander around lost. It's getting better about that, though, with the new addition of ruins and crud to Muyu Desert in Rano..... but they've taken another step back by disabling (pretty sure, anyway) the ability to find hidden treasure there, thereby removing any reason you might have had to wander through that area.
In short, most of the stuff's on Uladh, centered around Dunbarton, as you've noted (I assume that's what you mean by capital because it's in the middle and because the real in-game capital suffers from the same problem as Iria).
Definitely apply to the guild, though; the people almost always can advise you, answer questions, and run stuff with you. You can do this either by going to Port Cobh (east of Dunbarton) and going down the hill til you see the stone that says Fjallheim like in the OP, or you can apply from anywhere by searching for Fjallheim in the guild button of the friends list (F).
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 01:21:09 am
If you mean the world is devoid of other players, then yeah, channels 1/2 are the places to go. If it's actual features and stuff.. yeah, I'd have to agree with that somewhat.
It's not so much that there's a shortage of content, as there are reasons to partake in it if it or the rewards does/do not appeal you. Without any substantial form of PvP, the game often lacks the competitive edge that others thrive on. If you're one who likes a generally cooperative atmosphere, fast-paced, real-time combat, customizing the skills and appearance of a potentially godlike anime-style avatar, and just running amuck with friends, Mabinogi has virtually endless content for you. If you're hoping for a grade A story or something more with more state of the art combat or free roam/sandbox mechanics, you're probably better off looking elsewhere between sit downs.
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 01:23:18 am
Mabinogi Aces: Merlin Update (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/All/1/00HIf/scheduled-maintenance-11-14-2013)
I am not sure if this will be the localized version of the Druid, but it very well could be. Coming tomorrow!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 01:24:33 am
Coming soon in you local Mabinogi server:
Mabinogi Aces: Merlin Update (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/All/1/00HIf/scheduled-maintenance-11-14-2013)
I am not sure if this will be the localized version of the Druid, but it very well could be. Coming tomorrow!
How characteristically sudden! Might this entail the highly anticipated... snap casting?!
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 14, 2013, 02:08:43 am
e: And Meteor Strike. How could I forget Meteor Strike?!
I'm kinda curious about how they'll handle the cards and rebirths, too.
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 02:24:28 am
I sure hope this is the update, even if only because it's going to that much closer to the Vate/Whatever it's going to be called one. Besides, it would be a perfect timing for this, since Seikyu, my only character seriously into magic, will be ready to rebirth this Saturday.
Edit: Also yep... confirmed (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/micro-site/aces)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 03:10:42 am
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 03:34:56 am
Along with those new Ace cards, there might be new hero/elite cards as well that work the same, but only for new characters which start at level 1000 or 1200 with some pre-ranked skills and extra AP. If this is the case... I'm in for some huge dilemma.
1) Use free birth for Seikyu and slowly rank the required skills to eventually get Spellwalk and Meteor.
2) Buy an Ace card (probably after the free rebirth because... hey it's free) and get the new skills and stuff right away.
3) Buy an elite card, forget Seikyu ever existed and just start a new human (because elves suck) that will pretty much, from the start, be better than Seikyu ever was...
Edit: I also predict a double rainbow, triple AP or another AP-heavy event this week-end. Nexon does that a lot when they add new skills, especially if it comes with new talents or any other reasons to get people to buy cards. Nexon has learned that to make people buy stuff, you need to "reward" them in some way.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 06:24:29 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 14, 2013, 06:32:41 am
Yay, more awesome stuff I can plan on never being able to achieve in my natural born life.
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 07:20:44 am
Logged on a while ago, and as far as I can tell, the event hasn't come into play yet. Halloween is still in effect, and there don't seem to be any special quests or ongoings besides.
Yeah well, the update is later today, so of course there's nothing new now :P
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 08:46:55 am
Walking Casting is trickier. r9 Meditation and r1 Magic Mastery. I REALLY need to advance that...
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 11:46:01 am
Also, I found a nice video of meteor strike being used. It shows the potential of the skill at rank 1 and it's beautiful.
Mabinogi: R1 Meteor Strike in NPC mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg9_cHxvxEE)
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 11:58:03 am
EDIT: The server is still updating, but the patch is available. If you start the game, you can patch your game but not yet login.
Also, Merlin is a lot hotter than previous depictions...
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 02:27:57 pm
Would anyone like to help me harvest fire elementals?
Then throw 100 firebolts each at Fire Sprites, Balrogs, and Dragons (yes dragons).
Then defeat a red dragon...
And then, the OP shall begin!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
I wonder if that applies to rebirthing, and not just new characters?
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 03:42:34 pm
Also... decision, decision. Elite cards are up, so do I ditch Seikyu and make a new human mage or... decision.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 03:42:43 pm
This Merlin character card seems pretty neat, so I might have to partake. I especially like the sound of "access to the Hero Support System, which lets you share some of the Ability Points (AP) you earn on this character with another character on your account."
I wonder if that applies to rebirthing, and not just new characters?
And..! (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/micro-site/aces)
If they come out with something for the lady on the right, I will be hook, line and sinker.
The hero support system applies to any character that rebirth using an Ace/Hero/Elite card. Not sure how it works exactly besides that.
Also... decision, decision. Elite cards are up, so do I ditch Seikyu and make a new human mage or... decision.
The real question, then, is whether or not it is a permanent bonus.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 14, 2013, 03:44:08 pm
Sorry. :P
e: Also, free Shyllien Magic Knuckles if you log on ANYTIME on November 16th, this Saturday. Free. Just for logging in. Any time. What a deal!
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 14, 2013, 03:46:00 pm
That's the Vate (alchemy/close combat), and... it's a dude.
Sorry. :P
e: Also, free Shyllien Magic Knuckles if you log on ANYTIME on November 16th, this Saturday. Free. Just for logging in. Any time. What a deal!
My, what wide hips and ample thighs you have!
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 04:21:14 pm
So, I'll be send an application to join the guild soon, the name's Ryuseijin.
Edit: New character here and... Oh my God!! That quest log!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 06:11:51 pm
I'm also rather attached to Laur. Happy to have gotten this far, will be sticking with it for some time. Besides, buying an existing mage seems too much like regular MMOs - you get a cookiecutter character minmaxed to the same level as every other character.
Besides, you're cheating. Firebolt spam against dragon is fun!
Post by: majikero on November 14, 2013, 06:33:12 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 06:49:28 pm
On the noob quest thing, I totally agree. This is even worse with druid talent. You know those "tutorials" you get when you rebirth? Well, druids have 3 talent trees... had to do all 3 + close combat. Again. But, being able to watch the Trefor cutscene where he smash a fox made that worth every second of my time :P Edit: Seriously, I need to find a video on youtube of that... for my everlasting enjoyment.
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 10:22:26 pm
I have killed balrogs.
I have realized that only the person to FINISH the red dragon gets the quest success.
Let us gather are wits and our weapons and hunt these beasts to extinction!
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 10:51:18 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 10:58:48 pm
Does any red dragon works? Because there's one in the secret mission in Tara. It would be much easier to do, but it does require to have completed G11.Allegedly it counts. And if anyone has finished G11, they can bring others, and the pass can be traded. "Red Dragon inside the Shadow Realm" is the one.
Post by: alexwazer on November 14, 2013, 11:04:18 pm
Well then, we should totally do that this week-end. As often as required. The pass should not be too much trouble to get and a few of us have completed G11. On int difficulty, it's basically the same than Crumena, more or less, and we had no real issues fighting that one the last time with only 3 people.
Post by: Girlinhat on November 14, 2013, 11:15:36 pm
The thing we'll have to be careful about is finishing the dragon. The general consensus on how to do it, is to put the party to 'anyone finish' and then everyone attack, until it gets to like 10%, then ONLY the one earning the kill should finish it. If there's an annoying cutscene ending, then we'll have to do trickier rules.
Post by: Seriyu on November 15, 2013, 12:05:09 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 15, 2013, 05:21:33 am
Agreed, should be easy. Shadow Cast City seems to drop the pass and be the easiest one to run to harvest it - spamming Crash Shot and bringing along leechers should be fine. More people means more end chests, means more opportunities for profit!
The thing we'll have to be careful about is finishing the dragon. The general consensus on how to do it, is to put the party to 'anyone finish' and then everyone attack, until it gets to like 10%, then ONLY the one earning the kill should finish it. If there's an annoying cutscene ending, then we'll have to do trickier rules.
Like I mentioned before, I already have one pass. It's yours.
I'm not sure what sort of field boss the red dragon stacks up as, but it sounds like we're going to have launch an all-out guild assault either way.
How do folks feel about Sunday?
Post by: alexwazer on November 15, 2013, 06:41:56 am
The red dragon is probably the most deadly of the field bosses, outside the black and white because of the massive amount of spawns with them, but the one from the secret SM is much weaker. On intermediate difficulty, it "only" has 50,000 HP, the same as Crumena. Like any red dragon, it remains quite dangerous because mainly of its rain of thunder attack and, for this mission, meteor shower could prove to be a pain if the area where the fight happens isn't very large. So we should expect a few deaths.
That being said, I'll spend most of my time playing my new character in the next few days/weeks. He is still not in the guild so getting in touch and organizing stuff isn't as easy, but feel free to send him a message if I'm online (reminder: Ryuseijin is the name). On a semi-related note, I just reached TNN part of G1, so if/when other people need to finish that, I'll be joining in the fun (despite what I said just 2-3 days ago to... was it Aeviternus?)
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 15, 2013, 06:52:19 am
Post by: Girlinhat on November 15, 2013, 08:48:33 am
I'm not sure what sort of field boss the red dragon stacks up as, but it sounds like we're going to have launch an all-out guild assault either way.In terms of sheer damage, the wiki claims it's one of the toughest. The shadow mission version is toned down, but the field boss can one-shot nearly anyone. If you plan to survive the fight, bring PLENTY of health potions - as long as you're above 50% HP, any single attack will only send you Deadly. If you're going for "soft survival" (aka "stand up right here) then don't wear any clothing, you'll just waste the blessings and drop them. Don't wait for revivals either, it's better to just get back up and keep going.
Smash and Int Magic seem to be the key to successful damage, as well as general demigod skills or things like final hit. You basically need to bring out ALL your DPS and none of your tank - it's going to ruin you in one hit, don't try to tank it, just try to kill it before you die too often!
We had maybe 15 people defeat it last night, with demigod help and snap cast. Dropping r1 fireballs and spear of god was productive.
Post by: Singularity125 on November 15, 2013, 12:48:17 pm
Post by: majikero on November 15, 2013, 01:00:03 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on November 15, 2013, 01:09:00 pm
Free will allow you to go through the prerequisites and quests to obtain them.
ALSO someone has confirmed the saga dragon counts for Meteor. I've also got TWO (2) Red Dragon Inside Shadow Realm passes, Hard mode. I can run one with the guild for sure to unlock my meteor, and if anyone else needs a red dragon kill I've got an extra.
Post by: alexwazer on November 15, 2013, 01:22:45 pm
After playing around some more, I've really started liking playing fighter/mage hybrid, especially with mana knuckles (these things are kinda OP seriously...) It allows for some interesting twists and combos, like charging strike + blaze or using shockwave as an instant multi counter.
I've completed the green gem and black orb dungeons this morning, so I'm now ready for finale anytime. I can and will still help whoever needs gem/orb.
Post by: Girlinhat on November 15, 2013, 02:17:18 pm
This is basically a call for people to defend the mage and then collect reward chests!
Post by: Singularity125 on November 16, 2013, 11:48:03 am
Edit: Well, that could have been worse... I'm up to G3 final now. Would be awesome if people were willing to help out either tonight or tomorrow. :) I'll probably be in and out of game, not having much to do until then.
Post by: Tyler6498 on November 16, 2013, 02:17:35 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 16, 2013, 02:45:41 pm
And you can count me in for G3 finale.
Post by: alexwazer on November 17, 2013, 03:54:19 pm
Is the Red Dragon SM still a thing for today? If so, I would prefer not to start too late and, ideally, have an exact time to give more people a chance to join. We can't have too many people running this.
I would also like to do G1 finale tonight, possibly even doing a solo run if I have to. Doing hard difficulty saga without any form of trans is bad for my health and bad for my nao stone supply.
Post by: Singularity125 on November 17, 2013, 04:26:23 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 17, 2013, 08:14:00 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on November 23, 2013, 01:56:03 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 23, 2013, 09:08:14 pm
Post by: majikero on November 23, 2013, 11:05:01 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on November 23, 2013, 11:09:47 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on November 26, 2013, 03:24:49 am
Also, cash shop update. Black Friday sales have started. Mabi has a week-long event of daily sales running from November 25th to December 2nd. Check the main site for more information. Of note, partner mounts are on sale as well as the Phoenix for today, November 25th. Other stuff like dungeon passes and other odds and ends are also discounted 25%. Sales should be changing at 12 PM PST and last 24 hours.
Post by: Singularity125 on November 26, 2013, 09:25:15 pm
Today's special is... these ugly as sin "Jumping in the Rain" cards. Seriously, Nexon? And if you read the fine print, they don't even count as Ace cards. You're not doing a good job of making me give you money. I guess I was briefly tempted by the Phoenix but don't play enough to need yet another pet... but this is just silly... ::)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 27, 2013, 06:47:59 am
As these things go, the sales will probably get better by the day, rather than alternate between equally unappealing garbage. The hope is that you decide to buy the gag item early on, then see something else you really like and spend more. They want to have a full-length event without exhausting only of their premium content, so it's only natural they mix some absolute crap in with it. :P
I will be very surprised if we don't see partners and special dyes make a return by the end of the sale, unless they have them in store for December.
Post by: Girlinhat on November 27, 2013, 08:48:52 am
Post by: Seriyu on November 27, 2013, 10:11:26 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 27, 2013, 01:28:47 pm
(I'll be back when the alchemy revamp comes out guys sound the alarms)
YES! (No pressure)
*bakes a cake*
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 27, 2013, 03:40:22 pm
I don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but from now until December 8th, all level-ups will net you twice as much AP- log in and start windmilling gobbos and smashing guapos today! :P
Post by: Girlinhat on November 27, 2013, 04:25:29 pm
Double-post for Double AP.*puts out her 'free rafting' sign*
I don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but from now until December 8th, all level-ups will net you twice as much AP- log in and start windmilling gobbos and smashing guapos today! :P
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 27, 2013, 06:48:35 pm
Post by: majikero on November 27, 2013, 07:10:29 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 27, 2013, 07:18:54 pm
Today's sale item is the super rare black sheep. :o
super rare black sheep. :o
black sheep.
I must buy one and name it Nap!
Or not.
Also, this title is misleading, it's only double AP, not double everything like double rainbow is (aka mostly double AP anyway).
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 27, 2013, 07:57:23 pm
Does anyone have any idea when Diva will be popping up? I have this inkling that we will see her by the end of this AP business.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 27, 2013, 08:02:54 pm
Also I'm getting a rebirth this Saturday!
Post by: Seriyu on November 27, 2013, 10:14:13 pm
Today's sale item is the super rare black sheep. :osuper rare black sheep. :oblack sheep.
I must buy one and name it Nap!
Or not.
Also, this title is misleading, it's only double AP, not double everything like double rainbow is (aka mostly double AP anyway).
Fixed!
Post by: Malt_Hitman on November 27, 2013, 10:41:46 pm
The raincoat character card seemed to be a flop on the Mabi forums and there’s a split on the black sheep. People keep calling out for dragons and partners so hopefully both of those will be coming at some point during this sale. Here’s to holding out hope that Nexon isn’t throwing up those partner mounts for sale without also offering up the partners later on! Though, I could see them doing it and then waiting until the Christmas sale.
I know there was brief mention of this yesterday or Monday between Ibid and I in-game but would anyone be up for a pet leveling day sometime this weekend? Preferably after the age-up on Saturday when we’d drag out any of the new pets we’d have from the sale and work on getting them to a decent level. If enough people are going in on black sheep we could get a whole herd just following our fighters around!
Post by: Girlinhat on November 27, 2013, 11:08:46 pm
Also, got meteor. Dragons are cheaters I hate them forever.
ALSO http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1771
New cooking update EVENTUALLY. Of particular note - more moon/sun gates, including at dungeons, cooking gets ingredient % listed during minigame, and (probably) the Festival Food skill added:
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Festival_Food
Note: Add any 10 food items to make a picnic, taking their combined value for stats and adding them to your character, with no increase in food bar or weight. There are SEVERAL kinds of alcohol drinks. We could just open a wet bar and improve everyone's strength before turning into bears and rolling through Peaca.
Post by: Seriyu on November 27, 2013, 11:13:33 pm
I wonder if that increases health regen if you sit around the master or if it's just sharing food.
Festival food masters radiate heat.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on November 28, 2013, 06:36:25 pm
After checking the wiki it does appear that the commerce partner is likely far more useful in combat with better base stats, leveling up to 200, and at least knowing Thunder. Well, there’s still hope Commerce Partners will come back at the end of this week or at Christmas.
Also, sorry I disappeared on everyone earlier. I intended to come back right away but got roped into Thanksgiving cooking and eating.
Post by: Seriyu on November 28, 2013, 07:31:11 pm
nexon game forums.txt
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 28, 2013, 07:50:54 pm
"YOU RELEASED SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANT $5 UNDER REGULAR MARKET VALUE NEXON YOU GREEDY FUCKERS"
nexon game forums.txt
Fixed.
Post by: alexwazer on November 28, 2013, 08:01:16 pm
"YOU RELEASED SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANT NEXON YOU GREEDY FUCKERS"
nexon game forums.txt
Well, I can understand them this time. Nexon could have released maid and butler separately and in a double package, allowing anyone interested in either or both to get whatever they want... and still pay for it. Now, anyone whose already got one or just want one of them for one reason or another has to either pass or buy a 30$ package. A lot of people would have been willing to put 20$ into one partner, so chances are that quite a few will just throw an extra 10$ for an extra partner they have no interest in. Nexon probably expected that much too.
But yeah, Nexon's forum is all about people whining about Nexon not caring about their own overly important selves. Read an message following an announced double rainbow or double AP.
Post by: Facekillz058 on November 28, 2013, 08:58:02 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on November 28, 2013, 10:28:45 pm
Post by: alexwazer on November 28, 2013, 10:58:49 pm
30 bucks is a ton of money to justify spending on Mabi right now... are the Maid and Butler really worth that? What do they actually do, anyway? I guess the Maid can cook, but that's all I've gathered from Nexon's description.
I would say no. The main selling point is the fact you can choose their appearance and equip them with various gear. They also provide daily quests, but IIRC the maid and butler's are pretty bad and often hard to complete. As Malt pointed out, the commerce partner is by far better as it can be used during commerce, increase the amount of goods you can carry (number of stacks and maximum weight), has better combat stats and also have easy daily quests rewarding tons of experience. With enough disposition (raised from gifting and doing daily quests), she can also help gathering herbs, eggs and such. I think that's also true for the maid and butler, but I am not sure. They have a few others gimmicks, but since I only have a commerce partner, I can't really say much about those.
The partner page (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Partners#Partner_Special_Abilities) on the wiki has more details about them. I haven't gone through all the details myself, but I consider 30,000 NX to be a bit excessive. The commerce partner was slightly under 15,000 NX and is, in my opinion, a better choice. So I would hold up and hope that those comes up either later during this sale or later during Holiday sales.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 29, 2013, 01:52:10 am
I'm afraid the daily rush might be eroding my soul, though.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on November 29, 2013, 04:02:14 am
I'm trying to dial back my playing so that I won't get burned out.like our 6-month absent guild officer
I'm afraid the daily rush might be eroding my soul, though.
If that's how you feel, quit dailies. No, you will not get your royal armor by New Year's Eve, but you will probably enjoy your time in-game at least three-fold.
Abandoning the pursuit of anything productive and imposing myself on random people has worked wonders for me.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on November 29, 2013, 07:37:56 pm
If the guild could get a dedicated chef there are also two cooking dailies that appear to be just drop-off quests. But then I’ve heard that cooking is a major grind so that may not happen easily.
But the better choice to avoid burnout would be to listen to Ibid and just play the game for fun.
Also, bone dragon for Black Friday sale. Fourms seem split between “Thank you Nexon!” and general meh.
Post by: Seriyu on November 29, 2013, 09:45:08 pm
Like much fewer crafting skills it takes an amazingly huge amount of inventory space.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 02, 2013, 10:26:35 pm
The long-awaited, highly-sought after, fiercely coveted and jealously guarded Luxury Item Bags have returned until noon tomorrow at the neat price of 4,400 NX! I initially missed out on these, much to my regret until a great friend who managed to get his hands a couple shared one with me. With 10x14 inventory space for equipment (weapons and armor), I now practically live out of the thing!
If there is anything I could recommend from the cashshop selection at any time, this is it!
Post by: Seriyu on December 03, 2013, 01:34:00 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 03, 2013, 02:04:57 am
Is it too late to put that in the title? Or is the sale almost over already?
You have one hour to do so, and disappoint everyone who sees it afterwards. :P
I barely realized the sale was going on myself. Relying on pets isn't the end of the world, anyhow, and if we're lucky we'll see them again come spring.
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 11, 2013, 09:47:09 pm
Yeah, the guy who just made this post.
I can now smash for over 2200 on crits, and it's GLORIOUS.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 11, 2013, 10:34:13 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 12, 2013, 02:14:00 am
GUESS WHO JUST GOT THE LAST PIECE OF HIS THAMES PLATE SET!
Yeah, the guy who just made this post.
I can now smash for over 2200 on crits, and it's GLORIOUS.
Congratulations, apprentice. You have succeeded where I failed!
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 12, 2013, 07:09:51 am
Post by: alexwazer on December 19, 2013, 01:05:34 pm
I'll be playing a bit here and there, but not really going to get back into Mabi until Vate is released, which might be another month.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 19, 2013, 02:03:26 pm
*uninstalls freshly installed Skyrim*
Gameward!
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2013, 02:31:01 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on December 19, 2013, 04:46:45 pm
I think I will just kill myself instead. :D
I knew music wasn't going to be as clean, polished, or accessible as I would like it, but never mind the mess in Dunbarton- try finding a score, if you're the musical type, that when sung, sounds even remotely appealing or just doesn't wrench your ears. It can't be done.
That said, pianos and cellos are out! The latter are a mere 100k... the former are 5 mil ducats, as predicted. Neither seem too impressive from what I have heard thus far, but it's a little hard to hear right now, so...
Post by: majikero on December 19, 2013, 05:16:37 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 19, 2013, 05:58:20 pm
potions... that give you permanent stats...... forever..........
(e: False alarm they're only 3 times per stat I think?? Maybe?)
Dammit! Between Starbound, Ragnarok Online,I know this feel all too well. I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling the Mabi yet.TvTropes,being the family errand monkey for the holidays till the overnight grocery job I applied goes through, I need to squeeze Mabi back into it somehow.
Post by: Seriyu on December 29, 2013, 10:34:13 pm
BECAUSE I DO
Notably a raiding guide I found on reddit (look at the links in the post, and then read the long post chain below it for maximum helpfulness)
I dunno if we'll ever get to the point where we can pull it off, but it's good to know anyway! (http://www.reddit.com/r/Mabinogi/comments/1tyfju/mabinogi_raiding_guides_with_video_instructions/)
Soon the shield cylinders will be out and I'll be tromping about again.
EDIT: hahaha you can basically dig a foxhole to avoid meteors, that's pretty great
Post by: Facekillz058 on December 31, 2013, 08:15:56 am
And here I am, not being back, and Divas been out for a couple weeks.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on January 01, 2014, 08:46:07 pm
The Holiday Hide-and-Seek event is pretty underwhelming. Singing doesn’t sound all that great. The Winter Ace gatcha seems to be a disappointment. Also some other stuff I can’t remember right now because the servers went down when I was on the tail end of Other Alchemist and I have to do the entire thing all over again.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on January 02, 2014, 01:56:12 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 02, 2014, 07:08:34 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 02, 2014, 09:36:00 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 02, 2014, 02:02:23 pm
YOU WILL SOON KNOW FEAR ONCE MORE (maybe it's been a while)If you say so, Mr. "oh guildmates beat Peaca? there's nothing left for us it's over i quit".
The Holiday Hide-and-Seek event is pretty underwhelming. Singing doesn’t sound all that great. The Winter Ace gatcha seems to be a disappointment. Also some other stuff I can’t remember right now because the servers went down when I was on the tail end of Other Alchemist and I have to do the entire thing all over again.I heard the AP rewards were okay. Singing will probably get better if ranked, but from what I heard it does sound not all that great.
Also, looks like everyone's getting a free violin this Saturday. Will the free stuff ever end? :P
Post by: alexwazer on January 02, 2014, 02:33:53 pm
I heard the AP rewards were okay. Singing will probably get better if ranked, but from what I heard it does sound not all that great.
Also, looks like everyone's getting a free violin this Saturday. Will the free stuff ever end? :P
Singing is really
What we need, is a guild Peaca Run.
I've been trying to coerce people into doing some peaca runs since forever and, now that I mostly lost interest in Mabi (again, until next time... usual stuff), you come and suggest that? That's mean :( Peaca isn't what it used to be, or rather it is exactly as it used to be, but characters have been constantly improved. So now we could probably easily clear it without too many death. That is if people actually try to avoid getting themselves into situations that will inevitably get them killed: like rushing in the middle of a room full of multi aggro enemies.
I might get back in if you decide to do such a run. Besides that, I'm probably just going to log in once in a while to RB my characters when they can and get them a few levels. Screw RA for Kyu, he could probably get it back easily enough anyway.
I said I would be back when Diva came out.
And here I am, not being back, and Divas been out for a couple weeks.
I said pretty much the same about Vate, but I somewhat doubt I'll be getting back in Mabi for a few months, probably not until the release of Saga season 2.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on January 04, 2014, 08:35:55 pm
The Hide-and-Seek event is really hit or miss with rewards. You either get good stuff or you just get junk. I haven't seen a single AP reward and only 2 stat increase potions on my alt characters. You also can't trade the stat increase items so if you don't get lucky with the character you want you'll just miss out. At least you can run it 5 times per day but if someone in the event disconnects then no one wins anything.
As for a guild Peaca run, I'm not sure how much use I'd be but I would consider it. I doubt we could muster more than 3 or 4 people at the moment so I don't know how that would work out. I do have a bunch of healing items to blow any real fighters if people want to go. I also have a large stash of holy water I could bring as well.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 04, 2014, 08:48:50 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on January 07, 2014, 02:27:09 am
Find Caravan Joe: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Find_Caravan_Joe (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Find_Caravan_Joe)
You can quit and restart this event as many times as you'd like until you can find the real Joe in under 1 minute to get the full 15 AP, at least prior to the unscheduled patch going up right now. We'll see if that's still valid after the patching is done. There's also a 25 point skill seal if you collect 7 of the event coupons.
Post by: Seriyu on January 07, 2014, 09:49:36 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on January 10, 2014, 01:39:47 pm
Wintery Surprise: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Wintery_Surprise (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Wintery_Surprise)
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 11, 2014, 01:36:54 pm
What the hell, this isn't singing.
This is the sound an elastic band makes when you strum it.
EDIT: Mabi decided it didn't want me playing, because now I can't even log into my character.
Post by: TwilightWalker on January 13, 2014, 03:44:39 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 13, 2014, 07:38:45 pm
You guys can have pictures as soon as the album is up on Imgur.
DELIVERING:
Death and Depression in a box! (http://imgur.com/a/qhA95)
All of the images have stupidly large file sizes because FRAPS is mean and won't let me save anything other than Bitmap images for free.
Post by: Seriyu on January 14, 2014, 10:21:51 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 14, 2014, 10:28:43 pm
I probably should clean up those hotbars, :P
Post by: Seriyu on January 14, 2014, 11:18:50 pm
Post by: Aklyon on January 14, 2014, 11:50:29 pm
All of the images have stupidly large file sizes because FRAPS is mean and won't let me save anything other than Bitmap images for free.Open the files in some reasonable image editor and resave them as pngs instead?
Post by: alexwazer on January 15, 2014, 12:03:27 am
All of the images have stupidly large file sizes because FRAPS is mean and won't let me save anything other than Bitmap images for free.Open the files in some reasonable image editor and resave them as pngs instead?
Alternatively, get another software for screenshot. I've been using Greenshot (http://getgreenshot.org/) for a while and have been quite pleased with it. It's free, open source, easy to use and... stuff.
On topic, that Peaca run has drawn me back into Mabi, at least for now. I've been feeling like shit lately and wasn't in the mood for gaming any any kind, so I'm not sure if this return will last. I expect the Vate update to come up soon however, so that might very well keep me playing for a while.
Post by: alexwazer on January 17, 2014, 12:01:51 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 17, 2014, 12:23:37 am
It's almost the time.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on January 17, 2014, 01:47:44 am
...Which everyone else will be wearing.
You know, I've been thinking of ranking shields, and using it as an excuse to take up blunt weapons or axes. Maybe I should go with the Guard Cylinder (excuse for an ego?) and also add some highly practical battle alchemy to my repertoire, to compliment my melee/musical/magical style. Mmm!
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 17, 2014, 07:12:22 am
Post by: FireCrazy on January 17, 2014, 08:18:15 am
Edit: ..so, spent all my money on a lute, because why not.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on January 17, 2014, 08:45:14 am
Post by: FireCrazy on January 17, 2014, 08:50:08 am
Edit: Still no idea what im doing, durrr.
Edit Okay, headed to port cobh
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Post by: Seriyu on January 17, 2014, 09:28:19 am
If you have any more questions about anything, feel free to ask the thread; it's a deceptively complex game initially.
Post by: FireCrazy on January 17, 2014, 09:52:36 am
Edit: Hey, i fixed my quests by doing the melee school training quest. Durrrr.
Edit: hahaha, i picked up 950 gold on a road. Free moneyy!
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 17, 2014, 07:07:41 pm
ALBLKSAJDF:LJF
Post by: Seriyu on January 17, 2014, 07:38:27 pm
I need money to buy stuff :x and I have none. I'm not sure what to do to get money though, do i just attack a monster or something? I need it for this Introduction to Music Composition book (found it out through the wiki)
Edit: Hey, i fixed my quests by doing the melee school training quest. Durrrr.
Edit: hahaha, i picked up 950 gold on a road. Free moneyy!
Money early on is typically gotten from part time jobs, go around and ask people in town about that and you'll quickly find a routine! As your combat skills go up you can run higher end dungeons and get some okay money too. Honestly, PTJs still aren't bad money at that point, even.
Eventually if you take on a crafting profession you can make some coin off that too.
Post by: TwilightWalker on January 17, 2014, 07:45:04 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on January 17, 2014, 07:53:45 pm
I need money to buy stuff :x and I have none. I'm not sure what to do to get money though, do i just attack a monster or something? I need it for this Introduction to Music Composition book (found it out through the wiki)
Edit: Hey, i fixed my quests by doing the melee school training quest. Durrrr.
Edit: hahaha, i picked up 950 gold on a road. Free moneyy!
It's been months since i last played Mabi but you cna earn quite a bit of money by commerce.
Just talk to the Imps at the trading post and they will give you a quick tutorial.
Post by: Seriyu on January 17, 2014, 07:56:48 pm
Post by: FireCrazy on January 18, 2014, 02:47:28 am
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Post by: Ibid Straydrink on January 18, 2014, 03:38:03 pm
Hardmode Advanced Dungeons.
Don and I recently ran Ciar Adv HM, and one of us even managed to finish it after the other disconnected. The reward (if I recall) was a Dependable ES and some elf armor that usually sells for at least 200k, and the potential for even greater rewards (see: Birnam armor, hebona, and more) is there!
Thus, as things start to get back in swing, I'd like to see if we can't rustle up a party of 8 300+s for some dungeon wrangling. It is not necessary to be a lumbering overpowered titan- even at level 300, with eh right setup you can help hold down aggro while the rest of the party does their part and prevent casualties! The same is true for Peaca Basic, and I wouldn't mind seeing some of the newcomers join us and share of the rewards. :)
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 18, 2014, 04:38:38 pm
Post by: alexwazer on January 18, 2014, 08:17:21 pm
Three long words that are excruciating to pronounce together.
Hardmode Advanced Dungeons.
I probably don't need to mention it, but I'm up for that anytime I'm online. Not only advanced really, I'd be up for any HM run of basic or above difficulty; normal if anyone is looking for a specific reward. For most of these, a solid team of 4 people or anything with 7-8 people should be more than enough. There would be deaths, probably lots of them. So anyone should try to have a set of crap/random armor ready for those (or just stick to clothing, won't make that much difference) and enough HW to rebless weapons.
HM dungeons, especially the Int/Adv difficulty ones are mostly marathon style dungeons. You can't rely on one-shotting everything or finishing one target quickly before a second and a third join, so people would probably have to adapt their playstyle if they want to avoid dying every room. *Hints: rushing in the middle of a room full of multi-aggro enemies isn't what you are looking for. Rooms corners should be your closest friends.*
Post by: Kaitol on January 19, 2014, 12:43:28 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on January 19, 2014, 01:57:08 am
"Ok guys, we're going into a super hard dungeon so... strip naked or go get some junk to wear!" Terrible game design =/
Holy water, friend. Lots and lots of holy water. As for game design, we have to remember that before Mabinogi was an Americanized Korean MMO, it was hardcore, and certain risks like that were part of the intended list of features.
But as per my preferences, I do agree. :P
Post by: alexwazer on January 19, 2014, 02:05:35 am
"Ok guys, we're going into a super hard dungeon so... strip naked or go get some junk to wear!" Terrible game design =/
It sounds terrible, but the alternative is to make high end gear so much better than the rest, that it quickly becomes the only viable option. Gear in Mabi is, even now with armor masteries, mostly cosmetic. Free to play games, and especially Mabi, has taught online gamers that Style comes at a price. It's up to you whether you are willing to pay that price. Don has been wearing clothes almost exclusively for the past 6-7 months :P
Seriously, one of the problem is that a lot of people simply cannot afford to use their main armor in extreme situations. What constitute an "extreme situation" depends on playstyle, skills, who you are playing with and what you are doing. I stopped using Dustin set when I was doing regular dragon raids.
Post by: Seriyu on January 19, 2014, 11:17:46 pm
I do agree that there needs to be SOME benefit to running dungeons (and enchant scrolls, while nice, are hard enough to make use of even at high enchant ranks that they're kind've irrelevant in most cases), but I don't think gear upgrades are the way to do it. At least not armor/weapon style gear, that charm thing they put into the halloween event I think it was, has a lot of potential for this sort've thing I feel.
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 20, 2014, 01:01:12 pm
Water Cannon.
Holy shit.
Water Cannon + Trans level Mana = 500 damage at one charge at Rank 7.
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 21, 2014, 02:29:19 pm
So yeah.
I'm gonna need some help with that.
EDIT: Also, I'm looking for a Witch's Ring or whatever the totem that increases MP Is called. Preferably with at least +30 MP.
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 23, 2014, 05:55:07 pm
PROS:
Can use alchemy with an actual weapon in your main hand.
Boost Magic Defense and Protection, while still giving the physical defense boosts of a normal shield.
Gives Summon Golem it's own AI.
Boosts critical and damage of alchemy used while using a normal cylinder.
Damage penalty for using alchemy with a GC alone isn't all that major, and is lowered by ranking up Guard Cylinder Mastery.
CONS:
Model is kind of ugly.
Loading animation is something special, for sure.
Summon Golem AI likes to pop Defense and sit and not contribute to the fight at all, virtually requiring you to micromanage it's every movement.
When using a normal cylinder with a Guard Cylinder, you use the GC animation anyway.
No sound effects when loading skills unlike a normal cylinder.
PRETTY SURE you need to have one equipped with a normal cylinder to use Elemental Wave and Golden Time.
If you use only a GC, the durability goes down VERY quickly.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 23, 2014, 08:51:36 pm
The main thing is the update, skills, and of course, guard cylinders.
Piggybacking on Facekillz's post:
GUARD CYLINDERS:
PROS:
Boosts critical and damage of alchemy used while using a normal cylinder. up to 10% crit, can't remember damage
Damage penalty for using alchemy with a GC alone isn't all that major, and is lowered by ranking up Guard Cylinder Mastery. -25% at without any mastery, -10% at r1
CONS:
PRETTY SURE you need to have one equipped with a normal cylinder to use Elemental Wave and Golden Time. these, and Hydra Transmutation are guard+regular cylinder only
Post by: Seriyu on January 23, 2014, 08:54:29 pm
Have something without context.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(melee + alchemy here I come)
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 26, 2014, 01:24:03 am
Also, I have a Glowing Imp Statue, which we're hoping to run this Tuesday for Hishi's exploration journal page. Be on the lookout for more information.
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2014, 01:47:11 am
So far as I can tell you primarily use them as a starter (if you want), or use them after counterattacks.
With double cylinders you use them as you always use cylinders but better! Be sure to invest in defense and shield mastery because they have no physical defense.
It's a pretty nice way to allow yourself some flexibility if you're going mostly melee, as alchemy skills by their nature pack some heavy crowd control on them. Sand burst is particularly good now, and a wind blast can be just what someone needs if they're gettin clubbed.
Post by: Kaitol on January 26, 2014, 03:00:31 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on January 26, 2014, 07:27:51 am
Sand Burst + Blaze
Freezing Blast + Blaze
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2014, 08:39:55 am
I've changed the title and removed Malt Hitman's generosity, may he live on in our hearts always
I've rewritten the OP also. Combat section explaining it in a bit more detail. Minor touching up.
Post by: Kaitol on January 26, 2014, 11:53:59 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 28, 2014, 06:54:48 am
It basically turns anyone that has one (they can be traded) into a buff dispenser.
This also means you can bring the mabinogi equivalent of box wine into a dungeon for the boss. Cooking will be.... passable soon! Maybe even more then that.
Post by: TwilightWalker on January 28, 2014, 08:20:33 am
Very brief update heads up, next update will bring the cooking patch. New recipes, recipes are altered, new skills (including one that adds a second drop table to enemies, increasing the chances to get, among other things, leather/special cooking ingredients), a cooking mastery that slows the bar wiggle down without dex, annnnd the thing that will take cooking from "sort've good if you're low level" to "well why NOT do it", an ability that turns a group of food into a like, picnic basket that you can sit down on a map. It'll sit there for a while and while it's there anyone that clicks on it gets a mixture of all the foods buffs, no nutrition is added (you will not swell up like a balloon for daring to use the cooking system when you're full; IE all the time), no "eating time" I don't think.
It basically turns anyone that has one (they can be traded) into a buff dispenser.
This also means you can bring the mabinogi equivalent of box wine into a dungeon for the boss. Cooking will be.... passable soon! Maybe even more then that.
WTB Kitchen Dungeon tokens.
Post by: Skyrunner on January 28, 2014, 08:46:29 am
Very brief update heads up, next update will bring the cooking patch. New recipes, recipes are altered, new skills (including one that adds a second drop table to enemies, increasing the chances to get, among other things, leather/special cooking ingredients), a cooking mastery that slows the bar wiggle down without dex, annnnd the thing that will take cooking from "sort've good if you're low level" to "well why NOT do it", an ability that turns a group of food into a like, picnic basket that you can sit down on a map. It'll sit there for a while and while it's there anyone that clicks on it gets a mixture of all the foods buffs, no nutrition is added (you will not swell up like a balloon for daring to use the cooking system when you're full; IE all the time), no "eating time" I don't think.
It basically turns anyone that has one (they can be traded) into a buff dispenser.
This also means you can bring the mabinogi equivalent of box wine into a dungeon for the boss. Cooking will be.... passable soon! Maybe even more then that.
I'm of the opinion "too little too late"...
Post by: Seriyu on January 28, 2014, 07:51:41 pm
Besides, the alchemy revamp did a lot for alch.
Post by: alexwazer on January 30, 2014, 01:05:02 pm
Spoiler: New content = new ways to die horribly (click to show/hide)
This is an interesting new dungeon to say the least. There are a few things worth noting about this, that would also apply to Peaca Abyss. Firstly, it acts like a wild area and/or shadow mission rather than a dungeon. You can revive on the spot, like for Crumena's fight, so death is not a game over here even if you don't have Nao stones. As in other shadow missions, there is a chance that mobs will be stuck unable to move. Enemies are much tankier versions of mobs found in other parts of the world, but are generally weaker than most HM enemies.
Concerning Coil specifically, it only has three rooms, much larger than normal ones, with a few waves each (3 or 4 I am not sure). Each wave is randomized, so you might have an easy going or a terrible time depending on the
The boss on the other hand... it is a nightmare. It is extremely tanky, hits like a wooden log loaded truck and summon nasty stuff. Based on the damage and time it took me to kill it, I estimate its HP to something between 80,000 and 100,000 with about 35-40% protection. It only has three different attacks; a normal attack it mostly never uses that can hit for about 250-400 damage, a stomp-like attack that comes in three different version with varying range (yellow < green < red) that can do between 1-9999 damage (higher damage being more likely to happen the closer you are) and a very annoying attack that first roots you into place, doing 50 damage per second, and then draws you in doing another 150-300 damage. The third attack is the one most likely to get you killed and has an incredibly long range, about the same as a longbow. While rooted, you cannot move or uses skill, but you can (and should) drink potions. It has no passive defence, but does have advanced heavy stander, so no interruption of its skill is possible (except possible with sand burst).
Beating the dungeon give you a new title and, based on what is currently on the wiki, no good item whatsoever.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 30, 2014, 07:25:17 pm
Shame about the lack of rewards. I read there was some new kind of crossbow, but not sure what the deal is there. Note that Coill Abyss is solo only, while Peaca Abyss is 1-8 and has a lot better rewards, like some clothes (whatever) and a super powerful rapier (more interesting). I'm talking 103-198 damage and 50% crit. It's seriously powerful.
Do the passes to get into Abyss dungeons expire?
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2014, 08:06:46 pm
And yeah, Peaca abyss has a rediculous rapier in it, it's fantastic. Also vampire clothes if you're into that.
Post by: Kaitol on January 30, 2014, 08:57:00 pm
Drat, I'm suddenly finding myself tempted to make a melee elf again... must.. resist... urge... to make.. another... account... urk.
(Maybe I'll just cave and buy an elf card.)
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2014, 11:37:19 pm
Although to be fair one of the major bonuses to elves is their dex, which that armor would take from you, and quite an amount. Still!
Annnd there's a royal pumpkin rapier available from the seal merchant too, at a whoppin 240 seals. It's not bad either. Although it's no peaca abyss rapier. It doesn't look sickeningly halloween-ey either, to boot.
Post by: Skyrunner on January 31, 2014, 12:11:55 am
Knowing Nexon, they won't. Welp, looks like my money has to go to a different game *cough*LeagueOfLegends*cough*
Post by: Sirian on January 31, 2014, 05:46:45 am
Ugh. I wish Nexon would lift the dumb IP ban from Mabinogi -_- I only have 200 ping to the US average, but having to go through AOL makes the connection habe a huge latency.
Knowing Nexon, they won't. Welp, looks like my money has to go to a different game *cough*LeagueOfLegends*cough*
I managed to play with the steam version even though I shouldn't be able to (by launching it directly from the folder), but the lag was quite annoying, to be honest (I'm in the EU). It's a shame really, the game mechanics are pretty interesting (if grindy).
Post by: Seriyu on January 31, 2014, 06:08:27 am
But yeah, IP blocks are dumb and bad.
Post by: alexwazer on January 31, 2014, 07:36:55 pm
Shame about the lack of rewards. I read there was some new kind of crossbow, but not sure what the deal is there. Note that Coill Abyss is solo only, while Peaca Abyss is 1-8 and has a lot better rewards, like some clothes (whatever) and a super powerful rapier (more interesting). I'm talking 103-198 damage and 50% crit. It's seriously powerful.
Do the passes to get into Abyss dungeons expire?
The passes do not expire and can be obtained both from Shadow missions and dungeon reward chests (not sure if any of those or just some).
I didn't knew about this new crossbow. It seems actually pretty decent. There's a good chance it comes from Coill Abyss, but wasn't found or added yet to the reward list. It's actually good enough to be worth hunting for.
Peaca abyss is likely way out of our league as of now. Considering the increased aggro range of the enemies I've found in Coill, if the same applies to Peaca we would be in for a painful experience. I checked a few videos on Youtube before the Prof J update and, in most, people used high rank raincasting to keep multiaggro under control.
That being said, if enough people feel like committing suicide and give it a try, I would be up for it anyway.
Post by: Seriyu on January 31, 2014, 08:21:46 pm
Wouldn't be surprised if it was in coill abyss though, yeah.
Post by: alexwazer on January 31, 2014, 08:28:17 pm
It has a page on the wiki already, but only with stats. No image, no information on where to obtain it or on the upgrades available, etc. It most likely comes from Coill, but is it as a reward from the chest (my guess), crafted using something dropped or something from the reward chest? But either way, I plan to get my hand on one of those eventually.
Post by: Seriyu on January 31, 2014, 09:04:46 pm
Post by: Kaitol on February 01, 2014, 01:07:03 am
Post by: Seriyu on February 01, 2014, 03:12:44 am
Post by: UltraValican on February 02, 2014, 12:12:45 am
Edit-I managed to close the game and log back in and suddenly the entire place isn't zoomed in, so I can leave.
Post by: Seriyu on February 02, 2014, 01:15:29 am
Luckily you don't need to go in there very often.
Post by: alexwazer on February 02, 2014, 11:41:36 pm
Spoiler: Today's special offer includes some prairie lizard (click to show/hide)
I will be spending some time in the next few days to see how much of these raids are actually fought on a regular basis. The wiki page (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Category:Iria_Raid) makes it easy to keep a schedule of upcoming raids. So I might have found my new favourite activity.
Edit: Figured I would visit other dragons to see if other people hunt them.
Spoiler: After the green lizard comes the red one (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on February 02, 2014, 11:52:21 pm
I also never noticed how chicken-ish the prairie dragon looks.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 03, 2014, 03:11:49 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on February 03, 2014, 03:13:39 am
Post by: Seriyu on February 03, 2014, 08:04:30 am
Even stuff like mages is fairly uncommon, although I expect that'll go up with the recent buffs to magic.
Post by: alexwazer on February 03, 2014, 06:32:05 pm
Grandmaster Knights and Warriors are a dime a dozen. It's the Vagabonds and Bards and Philosophers that really impress me.
Can't be Grandmaster vagabond or philosopher :P Anyone can only have 1 talent at grandmaster rank and both vagabond and philosopher are hybrid titles. That being said, master vagabonds and philosophers still don't show up often, but that might just be because people prefer other titles. None of the talents trees for those are very hard or require tons of AP, although they do require tons of grinding. Nitpicking aside, I'm currently working on reaching master vagabond, mostly need a few more fishing ranks to get it.
To make up for my failure to provide a screenshot yesterday, here is one taken earlier today.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This was at 2 PM ESt, so it seems relatively safe to assume that dragons are hunted on a regular basis even during week days. This was shortly after a successfully defeat white dragon which was after black dragon got completely ignored again (poor Bhafel).
Red will be up around 9 PM ESt (6PM Pacific, 8PM Central... etc.) if anyone feels like showing up. BTW Seriyu, time zones was the main reason I posted a link to the wiki page as it lists the time for various time zones.
Post by: Seriyu on February 03, 2014, 06:50:30 pm
Also hanging around ch1 helps that too. Luckily most of the parts you need for dragon armor/weapons are uni-color dragon parts. I will need a lot of blood though. Which is inexplicably different between colors.
Now if only white dragon didn't make my framerate tank!
Post by: alexwazer on February 03, 2014, 10:31:40 pm
Also, the dragon thingy event has been extended.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 05, 2014, 12:32:12 am
Spoiler: Warning: Filled with Profanity and Rage. tl;dr: i'm butthurt (click to show/hide)
Yeah, I'm more than a little angry and/or frustrated. ::) / >:( / :'(
Post by: Skyrunner on February 05, 2014, 03:33:34 am
Also, instant 5-charge-fireballs are just BS. Fireball is pretty much a monster-only spell (outside of raids, I guess) due to its huge cast time...
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 05, 2014, 07:12:50 am
He only has about 538,000k health, I bet we could take him.
Post by: Seriyu on February 05, 2014, 10:08:34 am
Peaca abyss is still drastically easier then coill abyss though I think.
Post by: alexwazer on February 06, 2014, 08:35:08 pm
If there are people interested, I would suggest we take advantage of the current fishing event to stockpile lots of potion and start making plan for running this ideally on friday (next week maybe?) for the reduced loss of experience from dying and extra potion potency.
On the subject of Sephirot, the person in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PcicAjTuHw) got the right idea (after some fumbling around, messing up and Fun times). Basically, the boss isn't really much more dangerous at melee range than it is at magic/alchemy range if you can move out of the way quickly when he prepare a stomp attack. That is not to say it is easy as it can still screw people that don't have 800+ HP (any and all of us) very quickly. And you have to draw it away from the mobs it summon without killing too many of those.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 06, 2014, 10:17:43 pm
Least, it excludes me, D:
Anywho, continuing my life long quest filled with questionable decisions, I've got every Ice Spear page but 2 now, which means ill need some help doing some Rabbie Advanced.
Planning on running atleast one time on Tuesday, if anyone wants to come. I'm not sure how many I can bring to fight the succubus, but I am currently too lazy to check.
So yeah.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 06, 2014, 11:25:58 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 07, 2014, 07:11:54 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 07, 2014, 03:58:42 pm
That being said, I'll probably be able to keep myself away for not much more than that because Mabi is an addiction.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 07, 2014, 08:07:45 pm
Not really. Breaks are okay. I've been trying to limit my obsessive sessions so that my interest doesn't crash and burn like before. Everyone takes breaks... often at inopportune times and in direct contradiction to previous statements, but still breaks nonetheless. Totally not implying anything about a certain person here. :P
As for Rabbie Adv., I know I usually say "oh yeah sure i'm up for any ole thing" and when the time comes to do any ole thing I say "uhh no thanks i can't i'm busy/i don't want to go there". But I'm up for Rabbie Advanced, if only because Rabbie Advanced runs are usually emptier because a certain person fears explosions way too much. :P Anyway, the bosses are on the wiki page, along with how many you need to see each boss, so if you have doubts, just check it out.
Ice Spear is pretty great. I really need to rank it more. Then I look at Fireball and think "I really need to rank FB more" and see the various masteries and think "I should rank these more" and see this skill and that skill and eventually I forget what I needed to rank the most. I hit Wise Warrior from... something recently. I think it was r1 Defense. While I'm talking about defense, I should really work on getting some more HP in. Looks like the easiest and best to spring for are Rest and First Aid, but I'm a little leery of getting skill books. Any other recommendations or should I just suck it up?
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 14, 2014, 03:27:36 pm
My Ice Spear book is missing.
;.;
EDIT: Submitted a support ticket to Nexon so maybe they'll be cool and help me out with this.
Post by: Seriyu on February 14, 2014, 06:51:30 pm
To be fair I've only heard horror stories (it's been six months since I sent it in and I haven't heard a peep out of it), from technical issues rather then in game issues, so maybe they're really good at the latter.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 14, 2014, 07:01:13 pm
Nexon support is fucking awesome.
Post by: Seriyu on February 14, 2014, 07:13:33 pm
Probably both!
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 15, 2014, 06:27:13 pm
Spear of Cold Water Suspended in Air with Mana (http://i.imgur.com/LG1Awcx.jpg)
Post by: Seriyu on February 15, 2014, 06:47:58 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 15, 2014, 08:09:03 pm
Anywho, I think I'm going to go for Hailstorm, which means I will need some help with Snow Crystal Par Ruins in the future.
First things first though... gotta kill 20 ice wyverns.
Post by: majikero on February 15, 2014, 08:20:42 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 16, 2014, 07:08:26 am
Honestly, I think that will be the easy part of my adventure.
I've heard bad things about hot-air ballooning.
Post by: majikero on February 16, 2014, 07:58:35 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 16, 2014, 08:40:30 am
Needless to say, potions were chugged and transformation was used.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 16, 2014, 10:37:33 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 18, 2014, 07:00:41 am
War Swords can be synthesized from two cat's eyes and any sword.
Post by: Seriyu on February 18, 2014, 10:27:13 am
Post by: majikero on February 18, 2014, 10:41:12 am
By the way, is anyone doing the soulmate event? I want that flying skill but too much hassle.
Post by: alexwazer on February 18, 2014, 11:27:14 am
Oh right, we have the Doki Doki Island event now for the cat's eye.
By the way, is anyone doing the soulmate event? I want that flying skill but too much hassle.
Haru (Malt_Hitman) and I did it. There is quite a few ways to reach 100% that involves either grinding dancing, frequent survey taking or standing (afking) together for hours. Dancing and survey can get you to 100% within maybe 10-12 hours. However, the event last until March 25th, so it is quite easy to get the progress needed just with taking surveys here and there. I still have alts available to do it if anyone is interested in a strictly
Also of note is the possibility to get pets by trading in Cat's eyes obtained through grinding daily quests on the island. There's also some, IMO, horrible looking armor and more totems available to waste your ever precious inventory space.
On an unrelated note, I am still interested in giving a try to Peaca abyss if we can get enough people around. Think of all the excitement you could find in this deadly adventure and, more importantly, the possible rewards... Who isn't dreaming of obtaining some highly sought after clay crystals? No one! Don't miss a chance to get your very own crystals.
Post by: Kaitol on February 18, 2014, 12:39:03 pm
I might try to get flight, although I've got so many alts there's no way I'll be able to get it on them all. Maybe just a couple of characters on my main account.
Also, I finally caved and bought a character card rather than making a tenth account. (why the frick do ace cards not come with premium character options?) Maybe since I spent money on them I'll be more motivated to get off my bum and play.
(Also, I didn't get my flamemare from the attendance event way back when. I think my attendance card just vanished before I bothered to log in for the last day. I wish I'd been told that that did eventually expire! >_<)
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 18, 2014, 02:07:10 pm
But free pets? Sign me up!
Post by: alexwazer on February 18, 2014, 04:20:56 pm
The pets look kinda silly however as far as I am concerned, but they all come with 7x8 inventory space, which is quite decent for this price. More bags is fine with me, even when they come with legs.
Spoiler: Lovely? I think not (click to show/hide)
I just got a traveling boombox, so if anyone want to do so dancing with someone else for the soulmate thingy, I could let you borrow it.
P.S. Seriously unrelated, but WTF is wrong with the English language? Can you all just sit together and decide whether it's armor or armour, color or colour, traveling or travelling, etc. That's kind of a pain for non English people that end up mix and matching randomly between US and British versions. Daily rant off.
Post by: Kaitol on February 18, 2014, 05:13:26 pm
Post by: alexwazer on February 18, 2014, 05:40:10 pm
Just so this is isn't completely off topic, I would like to know seriously if anyone would be willing to give peaca abyss a try in the near future? I would gladly spam church part-time jobs to feed people with Holy Water and grind seals/daily EP for Guardian/Nao stones if there's any chance to get a run going.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 18, 2014, 05:46:15 pm
Honestly can't wait to do one.
I want a rapier so bad.
SOOOOO BAD.
And we could totally take the boss with enough of us and maybe a pubby or two to fill empty party slots.
Post by: Kaitol on February 18, 2014, 06:34:18 pm
Also, if I went the fighter-mage path... what do I do when my Shyllien knuckles break down? Is there a different kind of knuckle that lets you cast and can be gotten ingame? Or are they just gonna force us to swap weapons like before...
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 18, 2014, 06:58:18 pm
Post by: Kaitol on February 18, 2014, 10:06:19 pm
Post by: Seriyu on February 19, 2014, 12:00:10 am
EDIT: Also I'm in for that peaca abyss run but I'd need a day to go on it!
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 19, 2014, 12:59:04 am
But clay crystals? Sign me up!
Post by: Kaitol on February 19, 2014, 03:52:41 pm
Post by: Kaitol on February 21, 2014, 05:49:57 pm
Maybe I should just register with a matchmaker. But the pubbies... oh god the pubbies.
Post by: alexwazer on February 21, 2014, 07:00:53 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 22, 2014, 08:11:52 pm
A) I can fly wherever I damn well please.
B) Hailstorm.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 22, 2014, 09:13:47 pm
Really need to get on both of those. But... eh.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 22, 2014, 09:42:16 pm
For B? Not that much, after Ice Spear.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 23, 2014, 02:12:41 pm
A Peaca Abyss run.
A lot of us are pretty decent at not dying, and I reckon we could totes handle it with 8 people.
So, opinions? Idea?
I figure we could do it either tonight, or some other night this week if nobody has any objections. Perhaps if we could update the OP with a poll for a night that works best with everyone?
Post by: Keuran on February 23, 2014, 03:26:53 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on February 23, 2014, 03:45:41 pm
I finally worked up the nerve to delete all my characters and pets yesterday. Mabinogi was an unhealthy hobby, and I don't want to waste any more time on it.
Wow. That's great. Afghanistan, you say?
Post by: FireCrazy on February 24, 2014, 03:09:04 am
(When I press log in)
Oh well, that's a good enough reason to create a new account.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 24, 2014, 07:39:37 am
Ibid, you're alive!I finally worked up the nerve to delete all my characters and pets yesterday. Mabinogi was an unhealthy hobby, and I don't want to waste any more time on it.
Wow. That's great. Afghanistan, you say?
I finally worked up the nerve to delete all my characters and pets yesterday. Mabinogi was an unhealthy hobby, and I don't want to waste any more time on it.
Please say you weren't someone I knew, D:
Post by: alexwazer on February 24, 2014, 01:22:24 pm
I finally worked up the nerve to delete all my characters and pets yesterday. Mabinogi was an unhealthy hobby, and I don't want to waste any more time on it.
While I'm sad to see someone leaving, I can totally understand where you come from. I almost envy you for doing that... almost because knowing myself, I would be back with a new account a few weeks or months later and just restart from scratch. I hope you make good use of your free time in a more healthy, creative, enjoyable and/or productive way.
I will take some distance with Mabi as well, although I probably won't stop playing completely. I got most of what I wanted from the current events, so this is an ideal time to cut on my playing time. I will however remain available for any specific activity that is planned (Peaca, Peaca or Peaca :P ).
Post by: Kaitol on February 28, 2014, 12:12:00 pm
Unless someone needs a soulmate for someone. Then I'll hop on to get that wrapped up.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 05, 2014, 09:59:13 pm
Seize the Skies
Fly around tracks at various locations in Iria to get a prize after running all 7 courses in a day. Shadow crystals and commerce letters may be obtained and some other stuff like crafting supplies and fashion items.
Buckets of Color
Get an event well homestead item which will give out one glittering dye bottle per day which can be used/redeemed for a fixed color dye amp. The glittering dye bottle, and possibly the amp, may only last for seven days.
On Peaca Abyss:
If someone is willing to throw down a pass for Peaca Abyss it may be best to set a time and see if anyone else is willing to opt in. I'd be happy to attend but I don't think I'd be doing much besides buffing and healing. I know life can suck with school/work/other stuff. Activity is down right now so there's no rush. Just something to consider.
Post by: Seriyu on March 05, 2014, 11:07:51 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 08, 2014, 11:24:48 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 08, 2014, 11:29:26 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on March 09, 2014, 01:42:54 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 09, 2014, 08:08:43 am
EDIT: At the finale, ready to slay a dragon when you guys are.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 09, 2014, 10:52:49 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 09, 2014, 09:15:15 pm
8:00 PM to 10:30 PM EST.
Infact, that's my availability almost every weekday.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 09, 2014, 09:35:24 pm
Post by: RexMundi on March 09, 2014, 09:35:43 pm
I signed up more then a year ago, and now my low level character is liek 100+, and I want to start over. is there any way to start fresh without making a new nexon account?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2014, 09:41:35 pm
question unrelated to what's going on in thread but to game....rebirth, as every character does? Just click the 'rebirth' button in character selection, and go to age 17.
I signed up more then a year ago, and now my low level character is liek 100+, and I want to start over. is there any way to start fresh without making a new nexon account?
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 09, 2014, 09:44:40 pm
You can rebirth and change your age/sex/look. On every rebirth your level will be set back to 1 and you'll be able to gain AP faster. Mabi has a point build system so you can just advance and put your AP into what you'd prefer to be doing now. I think that if you're under level 300 you can go see Duncan in Tir Chonaill and have your skills reset if you're human. If you're an elf or giant you may need to see the leader of your race but you can try Duncan first.
What specific goal did you have in mind for starting your character over?
Edit.
My bad. You can't change your race on a character. My mistake.
Post by: RexMundi on March 09, 2014, 09:46:33 pm
On another note, there are new races now?
Post by: Girlinhat on March 09, 2014, 09:50:30 pm
Mostly, I just wanted to start over, as so much is new since last playing, and I really did nothing of note way back when anyway.A lot of people want to do this. There is NO reason to start over. You can regain more AP by rebirthing and gain it FASTER than if you'd started a brand new character. The only limiter is your race, and that's not a huge deal, and can be done through support cards gained for free.
On another note, there are new races now?
Plus, they've changed level scaling. You can free rebirth and skill reset at Duncan if your account's cumulative level is 300 or less.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 09, 2014, 09:52:06 pm
Post by: RexMundi on March 09, 2014, 09:56:40 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 09, 2014, 10:35:04 pm
Post by: RexMundi on March 09, 2014, 10:40:35 pm
Likewise once you've applied, say so in the thread so I can log on and getcha.huh?
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 09, 2014, 11:17:27 pm
Post by: Seriyu on March 10, 2014, 12:04:47 am
And the game really is a lot more fun when you've got a posse to roll around with.
Post by: Kaitol on March 10, 2014, 12:28:12 pm
So much fishing....
Edit: And its getting to the point where I should just suck it up and ask someone to be my soulmate on an alt, despite my hesitancy to trouble anyone. Was really hoping someone would pop up that needed one for themselves anyway... bah.
Post by: Kaitol on March 12, 2014, 12:01:57 pm
They promised a bigger event if it beats pirates 101 in the next round, which it's going to by a country mile.
Post by: alexwazer on March 12, 2014, 12:22:50 pm
This weekend is a 2x life skills event, due to Mabinogi barely beating lord of he rings online in the poll.
They promised a bigger event if it beats pirates 101 in the next round, which it's going to by a country mile.
That almost sounds good enough for me to find the willpower to log in for some AFK fishing :P
Although, I wouldn't grant Mabinogi a victory just yet for this next round. Never underestimate the voting enthusiasm of kids that otherwise never get to vote on anything (and Pirates too!!)
Post by: Kaitol on March 12, 2014, 12:43:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 12, 2014, 02:48:15 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 12, 2014, 08:05:41 pm
Post by: Kaitol on March 12, 2014, 09:08:39 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 13, 2014, 05:46:08 am
I would guess we're gonna stomp it.
However, I have a feeling we're going to end up against Planetside 2 in the final round, which could get interesting.
Post by: Seriyu on March 13, 2014, 05:58:31 am
Planetside 2 will stomp mabi for sure though, no question.
Alternately Warframe might end up against mabi and I'll have to witness my two MMO obsessions battle to the death.
I kinda doubt warframe will get past Planetside 2, but I'd be willing to bet it has a better chance at least.
Post by: Kaitol on March 13, 2014, 01:48:41 pm
If so are we all gonna join the same club?
Post by: alexwazer on March 13, 2014, 03:14:38 pm
Post by: Kaitol on March 14, 2014, 12:31:17 am
I have no idea what you do to qualify for a prize. The information is kind of... vague?
Post by: Kaitol on March 14, 2014, 12:32:25 pm
Holy crap this is lasting a long time for a valentines event.
Also I can slowly feel my will to continue fishing slipping away...
Post by: Skyrunner on March 15, 2014, 07:59:32 am
Post by: Skyrunner on March 16, 2014, 02:18:10 am
I hope another game that's as fun as Mabinogi comes out in a few years. One that has social aspects, fun combat, non-combat skills and things to do (production minigames!), and preferably no IP block so I can play with people in NA.
Post by: Kaitol on March 16, 2014, 12:13:49 pm
For me it's just... the combat in the game is so unwieldy. Its jerky, buggy, reliant on good timing, and has really weird hitboxes and lag. Plus the fact that the difficulty, rather than being a curve, is more like a series of massive peaks and valleys. Everything in this game is either piss easy, or will one shot you. Plus the fact that dungeons are nothing more than an identical series of square room.
The game is just too rough to hold my attention for long.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 18, 2014, 05:56:00 am
Eg, the XP on skill ranking is totally useless, part-time jobs are pretty useless gold and xp-wise (everyone does it for the goodies, I think), inflation means that it's way too hard to collect money to buy fancy stuff, dungeon difficulty is uneven as heck (Alby normal -> Ciar normal is a huge jump, then Ciar -> Rabbi is also a huge jump. Ciar normal is roughly equal to Math normal, and the outside dungeons are usually pretty hard. Then comes the ticket dungeons...), life skills are ten times as grindy as they should be (I'm looking at you, Potion Making/Refining/Clothmaking).
every time I look at Mabinogi, I feel so sad because it had great concepts but poor execution. No classes? Sure! Fun, non-combat things? Great! Weapons that are viable depending on their upgrades, not your character level? Wow o.O
Post by: Seriyu on March 18, 2014, 07:55:57 am
They've at least shown they're willing to go back with stuff like combat renewal and the stat reworks, so I've not lost hope, they just need to do it to the right thing.
With that said, as long as the guild is up, and people are joining, I'm more then happy to ferry them in, so don't be shy! The guild has always been in a sort've "half on" state anyway.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 19, 2014, 02:41:12 am
Speaking of problems, I’m still looking to get through the G3 final. I haven’t been able to find any friendly strangers to slug it out but that could have been due to the double life skill weekend event. I know that Hishi is interested in getting an alt through so if someone could coordinate we could try and get away with two back-to-back runs.
I’m also looking for recommendations on boosting my combat ability if anyone has any suggestions. I can run hard missions but as a warrior/bard my damage is severely lacking as is my survivability. I figure I should move away from close combat and possibly push for either puppets or guns. I’ve seen both doing significant damage by people in hard missions but I can’t be sure why they’re quite so powerful. If it’s the character, skills, reforges/enchants or what. Any suggestions/opinions on this?
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 19, 2014, 05:52:00 am
Let me just copy paste a rank 1 puppet's stats:
Damage: 80-190
Critical: 60%
Balance: 50%
HP: 1200
Defense: 50
Prot: 25
Mdef: 20
Mprot: 10
And then the bonus from Control Marionette:
Min/Max Damage: +30/55
Critical: +20%
Balance: +15%
15% Act Skill Cooldown Reduction
AND AFTER ALL THAT
You get +70% of your own Damage, Crit, and Balance added to the marionette.
So, assuming you have pretty average stats, 50-100 damage, 40 crit, and 50 or so balance,
this leaves your puppet doing 145-315 damage, with a crit of really freaking high, and the cap of 80% balance.
Note that at r1, Threshold Cutter, the puppet equivalent of smash, does 700% damage, AND has a bonus 35% critical chance, so assuming every attack hits, and you have r1 critical hit, you've just done up to a bit over 5500 damage to something, and this is BEFORE special upgrades, reforges, and without taking what control bars you're using into account at all.
So I guess it's pretty strong.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 19, 2014, 04:56:39 pm
Puppets also have great AoE options. I can't remember the names, but I'm talking about the windmill-like, the one that pulls all monsters into the center, and of course the tornado attack. Not only are these good for you, they're even better for teams. For example, you could pull all the mobs into one area and have someone else drop a fireball on them or something like that. (it also makes offering missions easy as heck)
On guns, I know less about them, but I do know they have some pretty crazy skill modifiers. For example, take Flash Launcher at r1 with 800% damage, compared to r1 Smash's 500% and r1 Threshold Cutter's 700%, but also including bullet damage.
And on top of this, there's probably some ignoring-prot-for-crit-chance going on here or something. I don't know, I'm just a mage.
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 20, 2014, 06:15:09 am
Knockbacks, stunlocks, pulls, taunts, charges that brutally murder and knockback entire rooms, etc.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 20, 2014, 09:14:21 am
(Except bards. Screw bards.)
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 21, 2014, 02:36:17 am
(Except bards. Screw bards.)
As a mostly bard character I feel I should be offended by this statement but only because I don’t see what’s so great about being a bard. Aside from Discord it’s mostly just buffing skills and even there Battlefield Overture and Enduring Melody are the cream of the crop. Lullaby has its uses but it doesn’t do direct damage. Magic music may be OP but I haven’t used that. Other than that you’ve got a bunch of buff skills people don’t really use. Am I missing some hidden potential here I should be tapping into?
Also, Nexon has put a hit out on Ragnarok Online for the MMO Bomb division finals. If Mabi wins it’s a 3x AP weekend. If you have any interest in AP anymore please vote for Mabi when the poll goes back up on Friday. I guess new precautions are being put into place to prevent voting more than once as bots were being used to rack up votes on both sides.
Post by: Skyrunner on March 21, 2014, 04:48:44 am
My paragraph was about how new systems always seem to be better than old ones... except bards. I know because I started as a bard and rapidly became useless.
Post by: Seriyu on March 23, 2014, 04:29:40 pm
Lullaby is AMAZING for multiaggro, a hell of a lot better then an extra low level combatant, the buffs are handy and even as a high level warrior almost entirely negate the need for stamina potions, which is very nice (admittedly the buffs can be played by anyone). A percentage boost of damage is great too.
The real issue is a lot of this balance stuff breaks down at high levels, because there's nothing stopping anyone from just grabbing every skill they can work into their rotation, and bard buffs are prime "use before someone opens a chest" material.
Post by: alexwazer on March 23, 2014, 06:30:48 pm
Sure they can't compare to other "classes" in combat, but honestly anyone taking bard and expecting to be using that as primary skills in combat just missed the point. Music skills aren't hiding their near complete uselessness in combat, there's no misleading anywhere about the skill tree: it's for support and only decent at it most of the time. There is a reason we can equip 2 sets of weapon in the game :P But whatever, that extra support can make a huge difference in some circonstances.
The only problem now is with singing rank 5+ turning the bard "class" into nothing more than a handful of secondary hotkeys available to anyone at anytime.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 24, 2014, 01:25:06 am
I started as close combat and moved into bard so the buff skills really helped complement my fighter skills. Being able to buff myself on a solo mission turned into a great boon but that drops off. I don’t have trouble with advanced missions anymore but moving into hard mode I know that I’m way out of my league. Everyone running hard mode with me seems to have maxed bard skills and can buff better than I can which makes me mostly redundant. No one gives me any grief as I mostly stand around and stick to lullaby and discording the occasional straggler but I know I’m a definite leach on XP. On average it takes me 5 ~ 8 attacks to down one enemy unless I get some good crits which is why I’m trying to look into puppets or guns.
With this being the situation does anyone have any other suggestions? If Mabi wins the next poll for 3x AP that should go a long way to developing a new skill set.
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 24, 2014, 06:17:52 am
Among those, Fighter is the master of 1v1, Puppets can take down groups of enemies easily, and Magic is just wrong and can do anything you want it to.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 24, 2014, 08:29:33 pm
Mabi wins over Ragnarok Online and we’ll be having 3x AP this weekend, 3/29 and 3/30 if Nexon holds up their end.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 24, 2014, 08:41:49 pm
The best damage right now comes from Fighter, Puppets, and Magic.While Fighter does great damage, it does that great damage to one thing. I'd much prefer at least some AoE capabilities. Puppets can cover that, I don't think we have a puppeteer main, and IIRC Haru has a lot of dex, so that'd be a good thing to go for IMO. Magic is also quite powerful but it does take a pretty significant investment of AP and money, and time to a lesser extent. Seriously, bolts are like 300, intermediates are like 400, and masteries are like 200 more each. Not to mention repairs and page costs (if you don't want to rely on us).
Among those, Fighter is the master of 1v1, Puppets can take down groups of enemies easily, and Magic is just wrong and can do anything you want it to.
I'd also like to throw in Battle Alchemy and back melee up. With the rebalance, alchemy takes much less effort and can do pretty great damage with ranks and full HP/MP/SP bars. It also has good support skills too, like Sand Burst and Frozen Blast. Inventory space is also less of an issue because of free Inv+ and those bags.
Melee is still a nice choice because even if it's not as powerful or flashy as the others, it's easy to use and probably one of the most balanced. Keep at it, and maybe try a different weapon. It has the side benefit of having most of us know how to use it, so you can just ask us about stuff.
And Seriyu reminded me about lances. They ignore some prot and defense, have great damage values, and get a smash boost for being two-handed. Lance Charge is also pretty nice. The only issue lancing has is their total lack of defense; sooner or later, some mob will lag-teleport into your minimum range, forcing you to struggle for your life. They also lack AoE so you'll be kind of screwed in multiaggro.
Of course, this is just my opinion on things, and I'm far from being the greatest pro who ever lived.
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 25, 2014, 02:21:51 pm
Hopefully this weekend is when I can RB on Hishi, :D
Post by: Seriyu on March 25, 2014, 03:03:38 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 25, 2014, 03:18:17 pm
Post by: alexwazer on March 25, 2014, 04:29:07 pm
I'll most likely log in for some of that tasty AP. I haven't rebirthed any characters lately because I was waiting to see where this tournament would go and what potential rewards we would get. Yeah, even if I haven't been playing I have been voting constantly and thus shall enjoy the reward :P And then stop playing again ::)
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 25, 2014, 05:33:02 pm
I'll most likely log in for some of that tasty AP. I haven't rebirthed any characters lately because I was waiting to see where this tournament would go and what potential rewards we would get. Yeah, even if I haven't been playing I have been voting constantly and thus shall enjoy the reward :P And then stop playing again ::)I'll probably follow suit, though substitute "I was waiting to see where this tournament . . . " with "I wasn't playing".
AP though! That's a great reason to come back, and not a moment too soon. Just went on, and my seals had only a few days left before expiring. That would have been a disaster.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 25, 2014, 10:49:10 pm
If we beat Planetside 2, I will get ribs removed and suck my own *HISHI*, free of charge.
People are already talking about the Planetside match-up on the forums. Last round they put in about 3,000 votes. It's very likely that not all Planetside players voted against a game like Star Trek Online and active players will likely do more mobilization against an active community like Mabi. Also, Mabi will have to face off against Planetside, LOTROL holdovers, RO vengeance seekers, and anyone else looking to take down Mabi before the divisional breakout. Expect more bot-tainted results on one side or the other. I'm sure someone at MMOBomb has a headache and really wishes they'd never included Mabi on their list. :P
Divisional finals should begin tomorrow, Wednesday, March 26. Your vote is greatly appreciated and we could have “something even better than an event!!”Source=Post 365 (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1136009-Divisional-Semi-finals-Mabinogi-vs-Ragnarok-Online-Results%26p%3D9612912%26viewfull%3D1%23post9612912%26nxid%3D10) if we win against Planetside.
For AP:
I'd like to point out that I haven't seen any official announcement yet that 3x AP is going to be this weekend but it should be. I expected an announcement by Sabina (Mabinogi Community Manager) in the victory/results thread but there hasn't been one yet. Everyone on the forums is under that assumption right now so I'm going with the flow. I'm just putting this here so no one takes it out on me if Nexon decided to mess with everyone on this.
I gambled on a paid rebirth on Sunday night betting on Mabi to win so I can snag around 24 hours for level grinding on Saturday before another rebirth for more on Sunday. If you're looking to get the most out of exploration levels I'd suggest you log on today (Tuesday) and pickup a golden elephant statue from the seal shop. It's 200 seals but it will get you to level 29 exploration with 450k exploration XP. (Unless you have gacha statues squirrled away somewhere.) Other than that, SM grind with shadow crystals. I'll be more then happy to tag along and buff everyone for some HM spam.
Post by: Seriyu on March 25, 2014, 11:26:27 pm
Mabi should be very proud of itself, but I think planetside 2 will be the one to end it. If not, well, I don't even know.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 26, 2014, 07:37:15 pm
There's also some Cosmic Stallion pet (same stuff as a flame mare, but blue and glowy) and a Wishing Tree event. You have to search for hidden wishes with an L-rod, get 10, and post them on the tree (near Qilla) for some.... less than outstanding rewards. Wow! Brown Pine Mushrooms!
Post by: alexwazer on March 26, 2014, 09:10:07 pm
There's also some Cosmic Stallion pet (same stuff as a flame mare, but blue and glowy) and a Wishing Tree event. You have to search for hidden wishes with an L-rod, get 10, and post them on the tree (near Qilla) for some.... less than outstanding rewards. Wow! Brown Pine Mushrooms!
Wow! Brown Pine Mushrooms!
Must log in, must spend all my free time to do exploration. Must get brown pine mushrrom, all of them. Or maybe not.
Does anyone know what kind of numbers of votes Planetside managed to obtain in previous rounds? Because Mabi had to really work on getting the votes it got. I know a lot of players nagged their guildmates over this, or randomly telling random people to go vote and that kind of things. I somewhat doubt most games' fans did as much. Voting in those meaningless tournaments is like voting in an election, doesn't matter how much people love you or hate the other party if they feel their vote doesn't make any difference, whether because they feel they already won or because they feel they can't win anyway.
Edit: Kinda had to post about this. As I posted this message, the top two threads were the one about Mabi and the one about Planetside. Searched quickly the other thread and could not find any mention of this tournament :P
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 26, 2014, 10:07:47 pm
Mabi should be very proud of itself, but I think *PS2* will be the one to end it. If not, well, I don't even know.
I wouldn’t count Mabi out. Voting in online polls isn’t about quality gameplay or money spent on development. It’s about how motivated and vicious the user base of the game in question is. Mabi may not compare to other games now but it has the following of a rabid pack of wolves. And when those wolves smell blood, or 3x AP, they’ll attack without hesitation.
Surprisingly, so far Mabi's winning 72%-28%.
It’s not very surprising for Mabi to be winning right out of the gate. The community is psyched about the next vote since the rematch just ended on Monday. Also, since 3x AP was on the line for the last vote people are likely expecting bigger and better even if Nexon is keeping the next brib… err…. encouragement under wraps until after the voting is done. :P It will be interesting if Mabi players can keep bringing in the votes at a steady rate until the end of the poll on Friday at 1 PM EDT. Some players active in voting earlier may just not be logging onto Mabi to save for the 3x AP event and not know the poll is up so soon since the Mabi v. RO rematch ran during a different bracket.
Someone on the forums said the last poll for PS2 had about 4k in total votes. There may have even been a screenshot but there are now a few different threads going on about the current voting. I don’t think I’d have any luck finding it without some dedicated searching.
There is now an official announcement about the 3x AP event here (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1138004-Ragnarok-Online-KO-Weekend-Rewards%26nxid%3D10).
Post by: Singularity125 on March 27, 2014, 09:49:54 am
*shrug* I always end up burning out on this game in just a week or two and leaving it for several months. I might try to come back, but I'm not sure what all has changed since I last played.
Post by: alexwazer on March 29, 2014, 12:30:41 am
Planetside 2 will stomp mabi for sure though, no question.
Alternately Warframe might end up against mabi and I'll have to witness my two MMO obsessions battle to the death.
Well, there we are. This is where you must take a stand because...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The most interesting part is that Warframe barely won the first round against Vindictus. So expect some support coming from them. Especially since, as we all know, Mabinogi is superior in almost every way to Vindictus (aww, there goes their support :P)
Post by: Seriyu on March 29, 2014, 01:38:17 am
Time to make a decision. Mabi's done really well so far.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 29, 2014, 04:51:16 am
Also, I can confirm that 3x AP is online and working. I’m at 451 AP and counting. There will be a lot of commerce and hard mission spam in the near future for me.
Post by: Facekillz058 on March 29, 2014, 05:35:17 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 29, 2014, 08:29:26 am
I have some stuff to do first, so I'll try to get on in 3 hours or so.
e: I lied I'm getting on now
Post by: TwilightWalker on March 29, 2014, 09:38:38 am
Post by: alexwazer on March 29, 2014, 12:23:09 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 29, 2014, 01:47:43 pm
In other news, I have Ice Spear r6 and Fireball r7 now. Hooray. :P Managed to get to levels 50/17, but I dunno if I still have the heart to get any more exp since I was struggling to finish Lingering Darkness HM earlier.
Aaaand I finally have a Stiff Vintage Tail Cap. All I need now is a Burning ES, so if anyone's doing The Other Alchemists Int or up, I'll be somewhat happy to come along.
Time to get some AP~ Also, if anyone can make the Savage wands, I could use a set. Or one. <.<I can, but it'd have to wait until Monday for the production boost. I also need to get more materials, notably Sasquatch Hearts and Mysterious Herb Powders. I'll take either, or Poison Herbs. If you want just one, then what kind? I have spare (very bad quality) ice and lightning wands.
Post by: TwilightWalker on March 29, 2014, 03:59:05 pm
That's really a shame. It does start to feel kind of futile when you get an amazing 200 AP or so... then lose it all on two ranks each of Fireball and Ice Spear.
In other news, I have Ice Spear r6 and Fireball r7 now. Hooray. :P Managed to get to levels 50/17, but I dunno if I still have the heart to get any more exp since I was struggling to finish Lingering Darkness HM earlier.
Aaaand I finally have a Stiff Vintage Tail Cap. All I need now is a Burning ES, so if anyone's doing The Other Alchemists Int or up, I'll be somewhat happy to come along.Time to get some AP~ Also, if anyone can make the Savage wands, I could use a set. Or one. <.<I can, but it'd have to wait until Monday for the production boost. I also need to get more materials, notably Sasquatch Hearts and Mysterious Herb Powders. I'll take either, or Poison Herbs. If you want just one, then what kind? I have spare (very bad quality) ice and lightning wands.
Fire, if getting just one. What exactly does 'bad quality' entail? And where does one get the bits for the makings?
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 30, 2014, 02:35:41 am
All materials are from Shyllien Nature Reserve, northwest of Filia in Connous. It requires completion of a certain Saga/G18 episode, but again, I can't tell you off the top of my head (I think it's 5). The materials are:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 31, 2014, 10:20:44 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There’s a new event going on tomorrow according to this post (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Events/1/00Hin). If this is serious there will be 10x Monster XP and a 100% repair rate going on tomorrow, April 1st, for 24 hours only. If you didn’t take advantage of the last 100% you could try popping in game and fix up that expensive gear that you’ll never use again. :P
On voting, Mabi is now locked in a pitch battle with Warframe at, currently, very close results. If you’d take the time and cast a vote for Mabi it would be appreciated. Of course, I understand if you don’t. Just please don’t vote for Warframe. Mabi will need every vote for the shot at getting something better then 3x AP if Mabi can come out in 1st place on the poll.
Post by: alexwazer on March 31, 2014, 10:37:23 pm
Mabinogi 49%
Warframe 51%
Total votes: 19869
Edit: Even better, you can now follow the exact numbers in real-time (if you are really really bored :P) here (http://home.comcast.net/~1twonky/poll2.html?nxid=10).
Voting is going until Wednesday (only a few hours in now). This is quickly heading toward becoming the single match up getting the most votes since the beginning.
Also, did log in a bit during the week-end. Did some daily saga EP for some quick levels. So Don got a bit over 150 AP as back up if I ever decide to get back into this.
Post by: Kaitol on April 01, 2014, 01:06:26 am
What happens if they tie exactly?
Post by: Malt_Hitman on April 01, 2014, 02:16:20 am
I don’t know what tie breaker MMOBomb would use but the traditional system is to flip a coin for it. In the event of a direct tie they may also just count unique IP addresses and give the victory to the game that has more unique votes but I doubt this will come right down to an exact tie.
Please do support Mabi with votes, if possible. This is going to be the slugfest that people were expecting out of Planetside.
Post by: Seriyu on April 01, 2014, 03:17:33 am
Post by: Malt_Hitman on April 02, 2014, 03:00:54 am
Sh*t (http://vindictus.nexon.net/News/Content.aspx?boardNo=200&contentNo=00HjE)…just (http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/news/current/00HjB/you-win-if-we-win)…got (http://combatarms.nexon.net/home/newsdetail/?contentNo=00HjC)…real (http://dragonnest.nexon.net/news/news/00HjD/you-win-if-we-win).
Someone at Nexon is deciding to go all-in on this poll in an attempt to rally the troops and push Mabi forward.
I understand seeking solidarity among the Nexon games was asked for by Mabi players and forum regulars but I didn’t think that it would go this far. I guess someone at Nexon is taking this poll as serious business. 3x AP as a reward struck me as excessive but I just figured someone at Nexon/Mabi had a grudge against RO or would stand to get a bonus if they could credit extra publicity due to the poll. I can see extra AP events in the final rounds as they encourage players to pay for rebirthing to take full advantage of the rewards but I never expected this is far more than I expected.
Post by: Facekillz058 on April 02, 2014, 05:22:51 am
I mean, I would have voted for Mabi anyway, but still, :P
Post by: majikero on April 02, 2014, 09:58:21 am
Post by: alexwazer on April 02, 2014, 03:54:44 pm
Spoiler: Final results (click to show/hide)
So, no double rainbow coming. However, Nexon announced free VIP for the next month as a way to thank the community for its support. Also, there is a new gachapon available that include hebona robe and... other stuff, like hebona robe and hebona robe. Probably some useless potions too.
Post by: alexwazer on April 09, 2014, 02:28:45 pm
I actually liked this event the last time it was on since that was when I got most of the decent reforges I currently have, so probably going to be back on for a bit during this one.
Post by: AngelXDv on April 16, 2014, 02:28:31 pm
Also: PTW
Post by: Facekillz058 on April 16, 2014, 02:57:16 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 16, 2014, 04:32:32 pm
This might have been asked before, so please excuse me if I ask this one more time: does Bay12 have a Mabinogi guild? Do we have a guild? And also, are players which aren't always active welcome? (in the sense that I play this game in bursts of about 2-4 weeks continuously and then I don't play it for about 1-2 months [kind of the same as with Dwarf Fortress])Yes, yes, and yes. In fact, I think you've just described most of us. We play super-actively whenever new interesting stuff is out (we'll probably be back for Saga Season 2 for example) but most of the time, we're barely active.
Also: PTW
As Facekillz says, though, the guild stone may be inactive now.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on April 16, 2014, 07:43:49 pm
Speaking of new stuff: Aces - Chef Sneak Peak (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/micro-site/culinary_artist?nxid=10). Also, pet dungeon (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Events/1/00HkC/pets-only-animal-dungeon) and pet sale (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Hjc/save-50-on-select-pets).
Post by: Malt_Hitman on April 30, 2014, 07:20:28 pm
Also, I’m in the middle of running though G7 and I need a giant to kill a Wendigo. If anyone has a combat ready giant and wouldn’t mind slogging through a 2 floor dungeon with me that would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, enjoy the update.
Post by: Seriyu on May 03, 2014, 05:47:51 am
This might have been asked before, so please excuse me if I ask this one more time: does Bay12 have a Mabinogi guild? Do we have a guild? And also, are players which aren't always active welcome? (in the sense that I play this game in bursts of about 2-4 weeks continuously and then I don't play it for about 1-2 months [kind of the same as with Dwarf Fortress])
Also: PTW
Dir has basically answered most of your questions, but yes to all those. It's going to be rather difficult to get in right now as the guild is inactive, as dir said, and ibid I believe is mostly off somewhere else. I can try pestering him about it, but it may not occur right away. Similarly, if there's interest in transferring the guild to someone else that can maintain it (this requires real life money so please make sure you are okay with spending money on VIP service monthly before you agree to this!), I can see about getting ibid to do that.
I've unfortunately forgotten the names of active people currently, so you can at least be in touch with guildies, but I know malt hitman at the very least is. I'm unsure of his username in game, despite this.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on May 03, 2014, 03:44:46 pm
Sorry if this means you have to update the thread title again, Seriyu. I was planning on making a triple post about it but I thought I’d better not.
For activity, I’m the only one with regular activity at the moment. I could take guild leader but that would be up to Ibid.
If anyone would like some help in the game until the guild is going again my in-game name is Harukaori. We’re all on Alexina as Seriyu mentioned in the first post. Feel free to add me in the game and let me know you’re from Bay 12 by sending me a note in-game or a PM on the forums. I can help you out with the first generation, shadow missions, and other stuff.
Post by: Seriyu on May 03, 2014, 08:16:55 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on May 10, 2014, 10:57:17 am
Post by: Facekillz058 on May 10, 2014, 11:24:11 pm
I'm trying to get back into Mabi and clubbing stuff to death with Ice is a good enough way to do that.
Post by: Sinlessmoon on May 11, 2014, 07:53:24 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 12, 2014, 01:10:54 am
That said, many (read: almost all) of us are on extended hiatus from playing. The guild has sort of a tide; one month there will be a whole bunch of people all playing super actively 2+ hours a day, and the next month it'll be a deserted wasteland. If I were joining up for the first time, I'd most likely wait until one of those periods of hyperactivity. Our manpower is pretty low even when active, with a number of members I could probably count on one hand. Don't worry too much if you can't get in, you aren't missing much except for my dumb jokes and other peoples' actual knowledge. There are always randoms in-game, if you're willing to hang out with them; I feel like this game has a more helpful community than the average MMO, though it might get a little weird at times.
The next active period is most likely going to be late May or early summer, since I know plenty of us have more important academic callings than playing MMOs. We're a bit weaker now that probably our two strongest members are on leave for an indefinite period of time. Can't speak for others, but I'm personally feeling a bit of the urge, though I think I'll let it sit and stew a bit so that I can enjoy it more when I do come back.
As for a rundown of the game, I'll let the layabout officer handle it since I'm not really that good at describing gameplay.
Post by: Seriyu on May 12, 2014, 01:29:39 am
Summary
First off, Mabinogi does things rather different then a lot of MMOs. Chief among them, and indeed what most of the mechanics revolve around, is rebirthing. For your first 100 cumulative levels, you can do it once your character has aged more then a year. Week in real time.
After that it's more then three years I believe. Three weeks in real time. Age happens every sunday, so this isn't a solid thing, but it's close enough, you'll get the hang of it. Rebirthing returns you to level 1, and makes leveling easier. Levels get you AP, which you use for skills. AP and skill ranks are retained through rebirths. In your first rebirth you probably won't be able to solo ciar (easiest non tutorial dungeon) without issues, but you will slowly gain power.
But that's not all there is to it. You'll always be rather fragile, and combat revolves around avoiding damage rather then facetanking it. For instance, countering an attack results in no damage to you, defense (the skill) greatly lowers damage, etc. Generally if you're taking triple digit damage for more then a single hit, you're probably dead. Maybe less then that early on!
Combat as a result has a rather high personal skill entry point. You'll need to learn the ropes (the topic can help with that, as well as people in game), and get windmill (an offensive skill) to rank 9 asap. Windmill is important because it functions both as a powerful AoE attack, and a defensive skill, as it knocks back enemies. At any rate, onward to more technical aspects of combat.
First off. I highly reccomend taking melee combat skills on some level. If you want to be an archer or a mage, that's fine, but have a plan for when enemies manage to close in, because they will. These plans usually involve counter/windmill. Hence, ranking melee skills. Notably windmill, again. Melee is also the easiest to learn, which is a huge help. Feel free to branch out once you've got the ropes, again, although you'll be quite a bit more deadly if you focus on a specific skill until it's capped, then moving on to another, etc. On to practical combat explanations.
An example scenario: You're in a smallish room, two goblins. One of the goblins attacks, you counter, it's almost dead! You run in to finish it... And then get punked. Rule one: Never engage an enemy on it's own terms. You want to hit them after they've hit a defensive skill, or just flat out kill them via counterattacks. Killing them before they notice you is very good too. Leading me to part two...
Another: Same situation. You manage to outright kill the first goblin before it notices you. Hooray! The second goblin however, notices you, and you fail to realize the severity of the situation one way or another and again, get whomped. Rule two: Always assume the enemy will completely maul you if you get attacked. Have defense/counter/windmill or at the very least an escape plan when an enemy comes at you. This becomes less universally true as time goes on, but it's very very true early on, which is naturally when it matters most.
And finally: Same situation, but one goblin is an archer. The first goblin attacks you and then the second goblin also aggros onto you and starts aiming a shot. You're in trouble now! This is the situation that kills a lot of people after they've got the basics down. It's called multi aggro and there's no real easy answer for it, as it is a very VERY broad problem that can occur in any number of situations. You will need to learn how to handle it, one way or the other. In the case of archers (ranged enemies tend to multiaggro the most early on), nailing them with magic, or just flat out bumrushing them is the easiest way. Once all the archers are dead, you're back to basic combat and the situation is no longer dangerous. Having friends along has obvious benefits for it, but it's still possible for everything to suddenly go to hell, so it's important to learn how to deal with it in a solo situation. This is going to be your first combat wall, and as a result I'll leave it there. You've been warned! Don't lose heart just because it kills you, because it will.
A lot.
Crafting is rather basic. Simple put in objects, recieve crafts, BUT crafted items have various statistical bonuses that make them slightly more valuble then normal gear. Not typically worth a whole lot, but if you are of a crafting persuasion, the game just has a certain magic about it that makes crafting very satisfying. I can't fully explain it. You will have to kill stuff to get some crafting items. Take note. Leather is the most notable thing.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 12, 2014, 01:38:31 am
Other than that, trust this guy. He's given quite a few speeches about starting off and game mechanics. If you have any questions, just ask us here and we'll get back to you.
Post by: Sinlessmoon on May 12, 2014, 01:42:30 am
Post by: Seriyu on May 12, 2014, 04:44:18 am
Post by: Malt_Hitman on May 12, 2014, 08:06:59 pm
Do you still need a giant for your G7 or whatever it was?
I'm trying to get back into Mabi and clubbing stuff to death with Ice is a good enough way to do that.
Indeed I do. Let me know when you’d have time. I think I’m up to the G9 final battle where I’ll need to use the dragon support skill so once I can get the G7 Mirror Witch battle done I can finish G7, get though G8, and then finish G9. If you’re available on weekdays then after 8 or 9 PM CDT (6 or 7 PDT) should work for me. Otherwise we can try for something on the weekend.
Sinlessmoon, if you’d like to post your character’s name here, or PM to me, I can add to my friends list and help you out with some of the beginner stuff if you’d like.
Post by: Facekillz058 on May 12, 2014, 09:17:10 pm
Probs about 8:00 PM EST.
You don't actually need to go through all that to use the dragon support skill on the finale, it lets you use it no matter what.
But yeah, Ill hop on this weekend and help you with that.
Post by: Sinlessmoon on May 12, 2014, 09:43:56 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on May 18, 2014, 04:37:15 pm
If anyone has any requests I can try and sang a stack or two of certain materials and send them by mail. There are no wood boards but there are various leathers and tough string/thread.
There is also a sale on a few zoo themed pets if anyone is interested: Official Link. (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00HnA)
Sinlessmoon, I’ve added you and sent you a few items by mail. Just a couple of stacks of potions but it should help you early on if you’re still interested.
Hishi, I took your advice and managed to push into G11 now. I still have the G7 mission, and G8, to do so whenever you feel like getting back to Mabi that would be great. Also, if you’d like puppet potions I could make plenty of 500’s for you. Just let me know and I’ll send them by mail.
Post by: Seriyu on May 18, 2014, 10:28:02 pm
Post by: alexwazer on May 22, 2014, 10:03:59 pm
I've stayed away from Mabinogi for a few months, but might get back in soonish. I'm hoping to see a few more people active every now and then during the summer time.
Post by: Seriyu on May 22, 2014, 10:15:27 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 22, 2014, 10:19:59 pm
The rewards seem quite nice too. Skill training seals are always great.
And triple AP is very very sweet. I think I'll try to hop on this weekend, and maybe Friday and Monday too.
Post by: FireCrazy on May 25, 2014, 04:35:29 am
Edit: haa.. forgotten secondary password.. so I'll just create a new account.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on May 26, 2014, 11:34:55 am
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on May 28, 2014, 02:21:18 pm
Sorry for the late drop-in, I've been a tad bit preoccupied. Give me until the weekend to recover my password and login, and I'll transfer leadership to Malt here.
Post by: FireCrazy on June 01, 2014, 10:52:59 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 01, 2014, 11:41:06 pm
Great to see you back in-game, Sephfire/FireCrazy!
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 08, 2014, 01:20:09 pm
I also approved the one member that was waiting for approval. Sorry, but your name currently slips my mind. Your entry said something about being a B12 watcher if that helps remind you of who you are.
Also, just a reminder that the final 3x weekend will be happening next weekend, June 14th and June 15th, and it should stack with the +1 AP from the Battle School set/Battle School event that starts up on June 15th.
Post by: Seriyu on June 08, 2014, 03:46:28 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 09, 2014, 03:02:14 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on June 09, 2014, 03:11:48 pm
So. what is this game about?
Powerful yet delicate, gluttonous immortal midgets ascending to godhood and dressing fashionably.
Post by: Sonlirain on June 09, 2014, 03:12:15 pm
So. what is this game about?
Fantasy MMO.
No pre detrmined classes.
Petty damn grindy if you want something specific (have fun with crafting once you reach rank A!).
Ferrying goods between towns trying to dodge bandit ambushes.
Somewhat original leveling system.
Mostly PvE but can be PvP if you want that.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 12, 2014, 03:39:46 am
With activity the way it is I figured this wasn’t worth posting about but if someone did think they could jump on Friday or Saturday and buy the items with gold or trade around between guildmates/friends that may not work out.
Seriyu, if you're up for collaboration on the title just let me know and I can try and write up a passable title that you can tweak to your liking.
Post by: Seriyu on June 12, 2014, 03:45:22 am
Post by: Sonlirain on June 12, 2014, 04:00:41 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 12, 2014, 04:37:12 am
Post by: Sonlirain on June 12, 2014, 05:07:28 am
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 20, 2014, 03:47:51 pm
There has also been a cryptic posting on the official forums about this being the Ultimate Anime Summer (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1199222-Mabinogi-Summer-2014%26nxid%3D10) which has led to much speculation about the vagueness and what it could mean.
Also, I’ve finally managed to hit both Master Puppeteer and Master Bard and now I’m really not quite sure what to do from here. I have close to 350 AP from last weekend and the daily grind and I’m not sure where I should be putting it. I can now commerce full loads of the highest priced goods and handle a few master bandits with commerce penalty up to bandit bosses without a massive gang-up or instant death, as in not getting one-shot crit killed, but I need something extra to kill those bosses. Any ideas here about what I could invest in to help? I’m currently between boosting Alchemy in hopes of that helping or trying to pick up Gunner skills and maybe switch off between puppets and guns during a commerce ambush.
Post by: Seriyu on June 20, 2014, 04:16:17 pm
Title updated also.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2014, 07:43:19 pm
...Reading that again, that sounds pretty bad.
But there's also Hydra Transmutation which is really handy for keeping bandits off your goods.
Post by: krisslanza on June 24, 2014, 11:39:15 am
Also seems during the event, if your Total Level is under 1000 you get free daily rebirths. Amongst other things.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2014, 12:05:11 pm
2x most fighting skill exp (notably no alchemy or life skills
Oh yeah, you have to be cumulative 30+ to get any of this stuff, but I'm sure that's not an issue with any of you.
Post by: krisslanza on June 24, 2014, 12:12:06 pm
Of course you have to log on EVERY Saturday AND Sunday to get the final reward. And of course I'm out this weekend, so no "ultimate prize" for me. Could the timing be any worse? :P
2x most fighting skill exp (notably no alchemy or life skillsso it's basically useless) and monster exp all weekend, 2x close combat skill exp 5-10 PM Pacific next week. Logging in 8-9 PM Pacific time gives you a name color change potion on Saturday and a Free Rebirth Potion on Sunday. You should know what a name color change potion does and why it's such an amazing reward. On the other hand, the Free Rebirth Potion instantly gives you a free rebirth on use, which is actually pretty nice.
Oh yeah, you have to be cumulative 30+ to get any of this stuff, but I'm sure that's not an issue with any of you.
I know that login feeling. I might be getting slammed with designated weekends, and my shift is from 2-11PM... I gotta think of something...!
Post by: Kaitol on June 24, 2014, 01:34:32 pm
Of course don't be surprised when you log back in to find yourself standing on top of the Orzimmar auction house in a wedding dress holding a bottle of wine and with your hearthstone gone.
Post by: alexwazer on June 24, 2014, 07:11:09 pm
Also seems during the event, if your Total Level is under 1000 you get free daily rebirths. Amongst other things.
When I read that I was mostly "Meh, whatever!", but I decided to go check details. The change to rebirth is completely unrelated to the event, except for timing. Nexon completely revamped the rebirth system (Wiki link for details (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Patches#New_Beginnings))
- Free weekly rebirths (age unrelated if I read that right)
- Daily rebirths if you are under 1000 total level (along with other benefits that were for TL 300-)
- Rebirth to any location and/or change sex for free (does that mean a free fixed dye too?)
- Plus a few more cosmetics talents changes.
This might actually be enough for me to get back into Mabi again... for a while anyway.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 24, 2014, 08:57:33 pm
Nexon has also released their own version of the patch notes (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00HsI). Among other things it looks like new accounts are given 6 character cards, Ace Talents will require 39 pons, and currently existing character cards can’t be used to rebirth anymore. (Only select character cards can be disenchanted and receive pons and an item bag. Estus, I think your Miku card just became worthless.) Oh, and elves can have black hair if anyone here was longing for that change.
On the other hand, it also looks like the update broke some things related to certain hairs. People have been saying there are some losses related to free rebirthing and losing certain hairstyles or hair colors: link (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1204348-Warning!!!-Special-Hair-styles-are-removed-when-freebirthing!%26nxid%3D10)
It will be interesting to see what the coming weeks bring.
Post by: alexwazer on June 24, 2014, 09:03:44 pm
Also, next weeks will includes:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Don't miss your chance to get a unique... blessed magic powder ???
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2014, 10:45:56 pm
Seems pons can be used to buy ace talents, 39 a pop. Might consider loading up now. I feel like Nexon is putting a lot more into Mabi now.(dunno if that's the right phrase...) Could just be that I'm relieved to see these changes, or overwhelmed by the events.
Saga 2 might be coming out after this, since it was approximately this time last year and about the same time period of 10 weeks. Pure speculation though.
Post by: krisslanza on June 25, 2014, 03:15:35 am
Here’s the teaser site for Ultimate Anime Summer (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/micro-site/ultimate-anime-summer). It looks like it is being broken down into three chunks over 10 weeks. New Beginnings has just been released. That will be followed with From The Shadows and Anime Life. No clue what those other two entailed but if there were actually anime crossover content that has been released overseas you’d think it would get a little more hype.
Nexon has also released their own version of the patch notes (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00HsI). Among other things it looks like new accounts are given 6 character cards, Ace Talents will require 39 pons, and currently existing character cards can’t be used to rebirth anymore. (Only select character cards can be disenchanted and receive pons and an item bag. Estus, I think your Miku card just became worthless.) Oh, and elves can have black hair if anyone here was longing for that change.
On the other hand, it also looks like the update broke some things related to certain hairs. People have been saying there are some losses related to free rebirthing and losing certain hairstyles or hair colors: link (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1204348-Warning!!!-Special-Hair-styles-are-removed-when-freebirthing!%26nxid%3D10)
It will be interesting to see what the coming weeks bring.
The Miku Card and one Ace Chef card of every race have become useless, yes. I think aside from using them to make a brand new character. So that's... a thing.
Post by: Seriyu on June 25, 2014, 03:55:38 am
Post by: majikero on June 25, 2014, 11:08:11 am
Post by: AngelXDv on June 25, 2014, 02:47:59 pm
Post by: alexwazer on June 25, 2014, 02:54:26 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on June 25, 2014, 02:55:40 pm
Post by: AngelXDv on June 25, 2014, 03:34:53 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on June 25, 2014, 03:44:40 pm
Weekly Rebirths?
Daily Rebirths up to level 1000?
Like, what the hell, this is getting ridiculous.
It's like casuals took over the department in charge of these decisions.
I worked for MONTHS getting to level 1000, and it was worth it, made me happy, and now you're telling me someone can do it in 15 days?
Fucking retarded, I say.
Everyone is going to get so stupidly powerful in a couple weeks and the game isn't even going to be fun anymore.
Post by: alexwazer on June 25, 2014, 04:48:25 pm
I hope you realize that when you started (whenever that is exactly), you already had it much easy and smoother than people before you. If it was fine to smooth the road for people like you, which wouldn't it not be fine to do the same for people coming after?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 25, 2014, 04:54:08 pm
Also, I tried the method on the wiki to befriend Agnes, but I couldn't. Does anybody have Quick and Effective First Aid (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Quick_and_Effective_First_Aid) so I can train my First Aid to Rank E? Thanks a lot!Unfortunately, it's untradable, so that means you need to keep at it or use friendship potions (obtainable from rafting).
Post by: Seriyu on June 25, 2014, 05:29:50 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 25, 2014, 06:51:36 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 25, 2014, 06:58:15 pm
And lookit all that crowd control too.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 25, 2014, 08:04:32 pm
The Miku Card and one Ace Chef card of every race have become useless, yes. I think aside from using them to make a brand new character. So that's... a thing.
I either missed this completely yesterday or Nexon added it after I posted. link (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00HsI)
Quote
Only select character cards can be disenchanted.
The following cards cannot be disenchanted:
- Assistant Card (Elf/Giant)
- Warrior's Destiny Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
- Ranger's Destiny Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
- Mage's Destiny Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
- Alchemist's Destiny Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
- Hero Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
- Elite Hero Card (Human/Elf /Giant)
So it looks like your Miku card should tradeable for pons and hopefully an outfit bag with Miku wear. Ace cards should also be good unless they're the generic Ace rebirth card.
Also, I tried the method on the wiki to befriend Agnes, but I couldn't. Does anybody have Quick and Effective First Aid (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Quick_and_Effective_First_Aid) so I can train my First Aid to Rank E? Thanks a lot!
Befrending NPCs is tricky. You have to give them their chosen item and then talk to them with Personal Story and Rumors (whatever the small talk option is under Personal Story). If the greeting text tells you they don't like you right now then you have to bribe them with 4 or 5 gold coins *without* talking to them about story and rumors until they like you again. Then keep going until they don't like you and repeat the bribery. It's best to fill as much of your inventory with liked items and some pet space too to save time on trips. Likeability potions can speed up the process a little but if you're using their liked item from the wiki you may have to give some NPCs dozens of items and gold bribes. NPCs know your a walking wallet and can't do a thing to hurt them so they'll milk you for all they can.
WHY ARE GIANTS BETTER SUITED TO BE NINJA THAN ELVES TT_TT
And lookit all that crowd control too.
Some think it's Nexon filling out the STR + X roles. Puppets have STR + DEX. Gunners have STR + INT. That leaves WILL and LUCK. Others think "Giant Master Race" and "more for elves to QQ about". On the bright side, you can be a underpowered elf ninja...with black hair!
Post by: Seriyu on June 25, 2014, 08:17:13 pm
Close combat - Str (yes it uses dex but no more then any other class besides maybe mage)
Mage - Int
Fighter - Will
Archer - dex
Puppets - Str+dex
Guns - Str+Int
Ninja - Str+Will
Bard - I... forget. I think int/dex? It's kind've a wierd class so I'm not sure it counts.
Alch - doesn't run off stats traditionally so it's not really a thing.
Lances - Also pure str. These were introduced early on and really come across more as a new weapon then a new class, so it's possible they're just meant to be "close combat extended".
Any I'm missing? I feel like I'm missing something.
Post by: Kaitol on June 25, 2014, 09:14:55 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 25, 2014, 09:22:38 pm
It's notable that dual stat talents only came about releatively recently, so that's interesting. The filling out the stat tables thing might have some relevance.
Post by: Kaitol on June 25, 2014, 10:11:46 pm
SERIOUSLY.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 25, 2014, 10:45:01 pm
I'm sure there's a phrase for that out there somewhere but I don't know it.
Post by: Seriyu on June 26, 2014, 01:16:27 am
If I have one issue with it it's that everything boils down to smash and windmill, but it's still possible to use other skillsets at the very least.
Post by: AngelXDv on June 26, 2014, 03:47:40 am
Also, I tried the method on the wiki to befriend Agnes, but I couldn't. Does anybody have Quick and Effective First Aid (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Quick_and_Effective_First_Aid) so I can train my First Aid to Rank E? Thanks a lot!Unfortunately, it's untradable, so that means you need to keep at it or use friendship potions (obtainable from rafting).
Thanks a lot! Will try to get friendship potions after I finish G3 then.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on June 26, 2014, 11:40:46 am
I have to say I have a lot of problems with mabi but the combat isn't really one of them.
If I have one issue with it it's that everything boils down to smash and windmill, but it's still possible to use other skillsets at the very least.
My experience with moving from melee to puppets is that a generalized form of that would be high damage single-target and high damage AOE. It’s all about who you’re killing and how fast you can do it. You also have crowd control and utility skills but those really just support either single-target (Sand Burst, wire skills, Life Drain, ect.) or AOE (Crisis if you don’t consider it AOE on its own, Frozen Blast, Rain Casting, Lullaby, most pet summons/skills/debuffs, ect.)
Also, I now have a house. If anyone is looking to sell off anything let me know in-game or through the forums and I can get your item and list it for you through the housing board. I just won the auction yesterday and didn’t get a chance to fully read though everything associated with selling so I’ll have to look into that later but the offer is open.
Post by: krisslanza on June 26, 2014, 12:28:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 30, 2014, 02:59:33 am
Post by: krisslanza on June 30, 2014, 12:22:53 pm
Peaca Int is a dark and terrible place and we shall never speak of it again.
I have blocked out that horror from my mind, lest it drive me crazy.
Post by: Facekillz058 on June 30, 2014, 12:32:32 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 30, 2014, 04:44:05 pm
They all have advanced heavy stander, they insta aggro, and their aggro range is the size of the room. They run faster then you. You don't have time to revive anything.
Normal oni have level 2 of all passive defenses and a paltry 20 prot, so they're not too bad, even if they have a lot of health. Red oni similarly aren't too bad, they have level 3 heavy stander and 2 of other ones. The solution to these is to blast them to hell with adv magic.
Blue oni! They have level 3 mana deflector and come in full rooms. The only solution we can think of is either cheese them by standing outside the door and drawing aggro and letting people pick them off one at a time, or barrier spikes fort/frantic magnum shots until they die. The last one didn't really work, don valiantly tried to play dead one magnum shot at a time but eventually got caught. Hydra transmutation through the door works, if even very slowly. They also hit 1.2k through paladin.
Now you will know why you fear the night.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 30, 2014, 05:16:55 pm
Post by: alexwazer on June 30, 2014, 10:27:04 pm
Also Shadowy Talents.
Post by: krisslanza on July 01, 2014, 09:38:02 am
Ghasts IE Oni. Because they're totally oni. Or some mythological beast in japanese/asian myth, at the very least. They're on the last half of the fourth floor and all the fifth floor I'd say, not that we got off the fourth floor.
They all have advanced heavy stander, they insta aggro, and their aggro range is the size of the room. They run faster then you. You don't have time to revive anything.
Normal oni have level 2 of all passive defenses and a paltry 20 prot, so they're not too bad, even if they have a lot of health. Red oni similarly aren't too bad, they have level 3 heavy stander and 2 of other ones. The solution to these is to blast them to hell with adv magic.
Blue oni! They have level 3 mana deflector and come in full rooms. The only solution we can think of is either cheese them by standing outside the door and drawing aggro and letting people pick them off one at a time, or barrier spikes fort/frantic magnum shots until they die. The last one didn't really work, don valiantly tried to play dead one magnum shot at a time but eventually got caught. Hydra transmutation through the door works, if even very slowly. They also hit 1.2k through paladin.
Now you will know why you fear the night.
Its worth nothing they have like 800-1000 defense, so if you're a melee attacker (like me), you basically won't even hurt them.
And with advanced heavy stander, Fighter can't even use Pummel on them!
I fear the night guys. I fear it hard.
Post by: Seriyu on July 01, 2014, 04:46:18 pm
But! Fighters do do a lot of small hits a lot of the time. So that is definitely dulling your particular fighting style quite a bit, along with the advanced heavy stander.
Post by: Seriyu on July 01, 2014, 05:28:27 pm
It's on tumblr but you shouldn't have any issues viewing it, and it's mabi's official tumblr so there won't be any tumblr bullshit unless you leave that page like a big stupid. I say this because I'm following it on tumblr and I like the format more then the official website's format so I'll probably be linking it rather then the main page from here on.
Also don't derail the thread into a discussion about tumblr bullshit or I will be intensely upset.
While I'm here I'm also looking for colin plate set pieces as my ancient giant that was my initial character in the guild has rerisen and colin plate is really good and giant only. So if you find any pieces of that, particularly the helmet, please let me know. do note you shouldn't buy it even if you want to until I give you the go ahead because I am going for set bonuses.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 01, 2014, 07:03:55 pm
By the way, does anyone want any Arat Crystals? I have quite a few and I'm no crafter of things that can be cloned.Plus I was a dumb idiot and got rid of all my special alchemy ammo before they were phased out so I can't make money with them
I can take any Arat Crystals you have. I can use those to synth stacks of ingots for anyone working on blacksmithing. Any ingots I synth can likely be broken down by dry oven and turned into ores for refining as well, if anyone is working on that. If you’re giving them away free I’ll happily take them but I could also pay you 10k in gold for a full stack.
On Peaca Int: I was hoping we could have a discussion about what went right and wrong during that run. I know I have a habit of being in my own little world sometimes using puppets and for that I apologize. Also, more apologies in the spoiler.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
On crafting, if anyone has characters that they’re not doing the Hillwen or Shyllien part-time jobs each day I would politely request the materials from those jobs. Just take the PTJ, get the materials, and cancel the quest. The materials are tradeable/droppable and taking the quest each day would give access to 50 more units each day for every character you’d be willing to take the job on. If you’d rather give the Shyllien materials to Direzie for training that would be fine also. The higher ranks of Shyl/Hill go up by 500 each rank for basic crafting requirements and every little bit will help.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 01, 2014, 07:28:20 pm
Don't worry about repairs, at least for me. I forgot how much I spent anyway. Also you got my name right so it's all good. :P
Right: I think we were doing really really well, aside from sudden ghost rooms. After a bit I think I got the message that I should use magic against anyone I could. Unfortunately, probably our biggest issue was ghosts which have level 3 Mana Deflector, so not much I could do there. Also, keep the pet spam up everyone :P I personally don't think there was too big an issue with puppets, I liked the thing going on where you'd Crisis (the one that gathers them in) > the big spinning attack > the WM-like move (especially since I can't do much melee damage). Bard buffs were kept up pretty much all the time, which is great.
Wrong: If possible, we should try to keep mobs closer together for maximum AoE destruction. I think this was most visible in the ghost rooms where they'd be all around the room and we weren't able to stop them from charging Fireball, leading to extreme super death. We should also try to get a full party (do we even have 8 different people playing...) and all be stronger. We also need more archers; I'm considering picking it up after I master magic (fairly soon, I'm Wise right now with most masteries and attacks r1). Would it be possible to get more Phantasmal Chorus? Dunno how much it'd help, but I'm sure it'd give us at least a tiny boost. More party feathers would certainly be a big help, as would having an emergency advanced feather user outside the run, though not needed. Resource use (bandaids and feathers) was a bit high but not much we can do there besides get hit less.
Post by: Seriyu on July 02, 2014, 05:30:53 am
So, for ghost rooms, regular reviving is very handy, if not always possible, so people can intercept fireballs better. Once the first fireball goes off things get hairy fast.
Post by: krisslanza on July 02, 2014, 11:19:01 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 02, 2014, 11:51:53 am
For future run, if that was ever to happen, having 2 people with high rank raincasting would be a blessing. For the record, when a RC cloud is up, it prevents mobs under it from aggroing, unless they are attacked. 2 people can keep a cloud up constantly, which can covers most of a room. This would give us the breathing room needed to fight ghasts, but could also be useful for ghosts and for some absurd puppet abuse against anything else. Hydra transmutation and high rank barrier spikes would also be useful.
With that said, I realize I might want to get back on Kyu to rank up some of his skills and have him ready for such activities.
Post by: Seriyu on July 02, 2014, 05:34:19 pm
Also; new event is totally related to ninja talent. the book thing they have you do will get you a shuriken for ninja class ala jewelled control bar/rebes guard cylinder.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 03, 2014, 12:50:19 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2014, 01:05:28 am
Ninjas, first off, equip a two handed ranged/melee combo weapon, a giant shuriken in one hand and a kunai in another. The current shadowy talents event is having you build one of those, for the record. It's compatible with smash/whirlwind/etc. They use str/will also, as we already know.
Skills!
Shuriken Mastery. does what it says on the tin.
Rasenzan - Basically, shuriken smash. Presumably. No idea if it breaks defense or what.
Kage Shibari (Shadow Bind) - Immobilizes an enemy. Maybe multiple, almost certainly at a range.
daichi Jin (Ground trap) - Reduces enemy movement speed, proably via a trap on the ground. Go fig.
Yamiuchi Sen (Spinning Sneak attack) - Can be used while hidden, no idea what that means, maybe play dead/hide, and can act as a counter, presumably in a way similar to how windmill acts as a counter.
Oboro Enmaku (Smokescreen) - Lowers enemy defense. No idea how many targets or what.
Midari Kunai (Chaotic Kunai Throw) - Area of effect attack, presumably not unlike windmill.
Ougi Sakura Shigure (Arcane art Sakura rain) - Strong area of effect attack, with a huge cast time. Presumably something similar to int magic.
Annnd reforges.
Shuriken Mastery: Min, Max Increase
Rasenzan: Distance Increase
Midari Kunai: Dmg% Increase, Distance Increase
Kageshibari: Bind Duration Increase
Yamiuchi Sen: Skill Duration Increase, Dmg% Increase
Daiji Gen: Dmg% Increase, Trap Number Increase, Cooldown Decrease
Oboro Enmaku: Dmg% Increase, Distnace Increase
Ougi-Sakura Shigure: Range Increase
That's unfortunately about all I've got, because mabinogi wiki has decided to not post any in depth info about skills that aren't in english mabi for some reason. So it's kinda hard to say exactly what it can do.
Info obtained from here (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1915) if you want to poke around. Also features an admin doing their job and moving a big stupid argument to another topic, wowee.
Post by: krisslanza on July 03, 2014, 01:44:24 am
Ninja effortpost.
Ninjas, first off, equip a two handed ranged/melee combo weapon, a giant shuriken in one hand and a kunai in another. The current shadowy talents event is having you build one of those, for the record. It's compatible with smash/whirlwind/etc. They use str/will also, as we already know.
Skills!
Shuriken Mastery. does what it says on the tin.
Rasenzan - Basically, shuriken smash. Presumably. No idea if it breaks defense or what.
Kage Shibari (Shadow Bind) - Immobilizes an enemy. Maybe multiple, almost certainly at a range.
daichi Jin (Ground trap) - Reduces enemy movement speed, proably via a trap on the ground. Go fig.
Yamiuchi Sen (Spinning Sneak attack) - Can be used while hidden, no idea what that means, maybe play dead/hide, and can act as a counter, presumably in a way similar to how windmill acts as a counter.
Oboro Enmaku (Smokescreen) - Lowers enemy defense. No idea how many targets or what.
Midari Kunai (Chaotic Kunai Throw) - Area of effect attack, presumably not unlike windmill.
Ougi Sakura Shigure (Arcane art Sakura rain) - Strong area of effect attack, with a huge cast time. Presumably something similar to int magic.
Annnd reforges.
Shuriken Mastery: Min, Max Increase
Rasenzan: Distance Increase
Midari Kunai: Dmg% Increase, Distance Increase
Kageshibari: Bind Duration Increase
Yamiuchi Sen: Skill Duration Increase, Dmg% Increase
Daiji Gen: Dmg% Increase, Trap Number Increase, Cooldown Decrease
Oboro Enmaku: Dmg% Increase, Distnace Increase
Ougi-Sakura Shigure: Range Increase
That's unfortunately about all I've got, because mabinogi wiki has decided to not post any in depth info about skills that aren't in english mabi for some reason. So it's kinda hard to say exactly what it can do.
Info obtained from here (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1915) if you want to poke around. Also features an admin doing their job and moving a big stupid argument to another topic, wowee.
Man whenever I read a topic like that offtopic one, I have to wonder if we play the same games sometimes.
Or maybe my expectations aren't high enough. Or maybe their own are too unrealistic. Who knows by this point!
They don't know the !!FUN!! of being destroyed mercilessly in Peaca.
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2014, 01:51:19 am
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Annd another thing I just saw. Treasure hunter! From what I hear it's coming sooner then ninja, and it's not an entire class so much as a few touchups to the exploration system that involve some skills. Notably it also improves iria dungeons.
Luckily this is easy.
Exploration Mastery (Life skill)
Total AP needed 111
Total added stats 15 mana, 47 HP, 62 Will and 16 luck
Effect: Boosts the exp gained for: Fighting monsters while exploring, Finding ruins with L-rods, Sketching ruins, Doing exploration quests.
Artifact Restoration (Life skill)
Total AP needed 141
Total added stat 16 MP and 25 Luck
Effect: Allows the restoration of artifacts, Increases the value of artifacts, Increases the chance of successfully restoring an artifact, decreases the cost of restoring an artifact and decreases cooldown of the skill.
Emergency Escape (Combat skill)
Total AP needed 112
Total added stats 15 Dex and 25 Will
Effect: Turns the user into a transformation that allows them to not be attacked by monsters, Increases the time the user can stay hidden, decreases skill cool down.
New dungeons are only accessible to people with rank 6 or above of exploration mastery. You can find artifacts in them, and they have puzzle elements. Seems interesting! New gun too, which is in the thread I am linking here (http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1785).
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 03, 2014, 02:02:56 am
Pretty cool sounding skills. At least it doesn't seem to be Close Combat But Better In Every Way. I might give it a shot to try it out a little. I'd like to see some videos at least, but you can't get everything. I'll see what I can dig up when I get up.
Re: Treasure Hunter, does this mean we can get our own junk appraised? The two life skills sound too good to pass up, but they'll probably be a huge pain to train like Commerce Mastery. Still, the effects and luck make them worth it. Emergency Escape I remember seeing footage of. I don't remember if it's any good. Probably is. More discussion when I get up.
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2014, 02:50:08 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 03, 2014, 03:09:11 am
I don't really like the animations, but the skills seems really nice. I very well might pick this up the moment it comes out. And exploration mastery if nothing else.
As for the whiners it the other topic, they only have themselves to blame. Most of these people would get through any new content, system or talent released within days or weeks at most. If they expect DevCat to release a new playground every month for them, they can only be deceived. New areas, quests, story or challenges come at relatively regular intervals. Most people playing Mabi never got close to an elite mission, fewer did any lord mission, a small number only do abyss runs or martial arts. There is plenty of content left to explore for the vast majority of players.
While I would concede the point made by some people about pets/wings/gachas constantly outdoing whatever was available before, this is how Nexon make their money. I prefer a game that is friendly to free players and make its money from powergamers and fashion fanatics.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on July 04, 2014, 01:14:26 am
I've decided that I will be returning to Mabinogi. These past couple of years have been a blast, and I often reminisce on some of our antics in the good old days before I became a God, when Hee-shee wore that stupid hat and Dir could beat me in battle. :P
For better or worse, my recent experiences with other MMOs (*cough cough* come play *cough* Wildstar) have had a rather severe effect on my expectations as to what I am willing to pay and what that should be worth. While I might still drop in from time to time to say "Ello," and hope to run into the lot of you on these forums and maybe even play a game of this or that together, I do not foresee myself ever playing again. Thus, being that there are many of you for who Mabi is still a world enshrouded in mystery, entertainment, and a tolerable level of bugs, I'd like to bequeath my
If anyone has any inventory space whatsoever to spare, tell me, and I will shower you with golden gifts. ^^
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 04, 2014, 01:55:38 am
wordsBless you. Bless you right in the face. Whether we meet again or not, know that we had great times, and that Bel and I will sorely miss you.
This sudden announcement really took me by surprise, so I'm not sure I can muster up any space or even say if I want anything of yours in particular. I'm also not really sure if I can call dibs on anything without looking like a jerk either. Bar/Mob/Lit/Seriyu/He With Many Names saw it first, but he doesn't want anything specific. He says if you want to bequeath him anything, leave it with Don, Hishi, or whoever.
Best of luck in all your games, great and small, and I hope we'll see each other again sometime!
On a completely unrelated note, I think we should do more theater missions. While I realize not everyone may be enamored with the sudden Shakespeare interludes, they do have pretty sweet rewards at the higher difficulties and don't seem extremely difficult, either. Specifically on hard mode, most of the stuff is only as strong as enemies from HM shadow missions and our Rundal HM runs, and most mobs drop upgrade stones and nice things (okay, probably at minimal rates... but still). I remember that one with the crystals and the NPCs you have to save was really brutal, but the other 3 (New King's Request, Guardian of Avon, and maaaaybe Warden of the Gods) appear quite manageable. If you need a ride to Avon, you can just sit on peoples' horses and hitch a ride that way.
...as I was typing this an, I was accosted by a mob of eagles, reminding me of my patriotic obligations to blow things up tomorrow. Sorry, won't be around much for the 4th. Have fun, peeps.
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 04, 2014, 08:18:39 am
Are you coming back to Mabi, or coming back to Mabi to leave us all your stuff and then never play again?
Because I've already borrowed half of your stuff long enough for it to become mine. I call the piano...
EDIT: WAIT A MINUTE, WHEN DID I WEAR A STUPID HAT?
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 04, 2014, 10:40:07 am
*snip*
I've decided that I will <not?> be returning to Mabinogi. *snip*, when Hee-shee wore that stupid hat *snip*
*snip* While I might still drop in from time to time to say "Ello," and hope to run into the lot of you on these forums and maybe even play a game of this or that together, I do not foresee myself ever playing again. *snip*
If anyone has any inventory space whatsoever to spare, tell me, and I will shower you with golden gifts. ^^
Ibid, it was wonderful playing with you in Mabi and I hope you do come back to run a dungeon or theater mission with us every now and then. If it wasn’t for your help I don’t think that I’d be playing Mabi today or have reached the heights that I have. I do have two personal requests that are Mabi related. One, I’d suggest you keep a good set of armor and a decent weapon on your character in case you decide to pop on for a group activity or just to pal around with us. The second is to get a portrait made of your character for me to throw up on the wall of my house. Hishi suggested I turn it into a sort-of wall of fame featuring other members of the guild. I’d be honored if you’d submit one showing everyone how drunk you look. ;) As a side note, I first misread your name as Ibid Staydrunk on the forums. :P
On to the gravy train. :P I’ll defer to your judgment about who you give what to since I’m most likely the newest active member to the guild so if anyone else calls dibs on something I’d want they can “call seniority” on it if they’d wish. If you have any large space items anyone else wants but they don’t have space for they can use my house for temp storage until they make room. Right now I have at least 14 open slots to store items of any size. You can always dump stuff there too and I can dish it out to people as they show interest in it or if you think it would be helpful to the guild in the long run. My house is paid up until around 7/23 so there will be time to work through everything.
Well, since Hishi already called the piano I would like to place dibs on any crafting supplies you have for the upcoming 2x life skill weekend/week. I can make a couple more alts on Saturday from the cards that are no longer useful for rebirthing and get a few trade imp bags to hold the stuff if you have any significant quantities. If no guild members have use of any crafting stuff I’ll try and sell it at my house and use the proceeds for recovery items for any future guild endeavors. Other than that, you can throw any gatcha “too valuable to toss but I can’t sell this stuff” goods my way and I can see what I can do about fencing it or distributing it. As others have said, I can’t really think of anything you have that I’ve been longing to take away from you. :P
On a completely unrelated note, I think we should do more theater missions.
I can help feather people to Avon. After age-up on Saturday I’ll create a new pet that will be able to take three other players along for the ride. Actually this just gives me another reason to get that card out of the way and gives more inv space for me. I’ve only done one random theater mission way back when with Ibid, Hishi and…Don, I think? It was fighting some giant monster that wanted to catch Shakespeare if I remember right. I can work on shearing play pages for us and hold them until we’re ready to make scripts unless someone has/is going to have that covered.
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2014, 12:50:14 am
Maybe not. Irregardless we will protect your bits and bobs when and if you return. Or maybe break them.
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On to one of my less harebrained schemes. So. As we all know there are various more powerful items that are helpful for dungeon runs. Handmade bandages, handmade arrows/bolts, potions (For people that weren't around/didn't abuse the potion fishing event) and food now are all fairly helpful. Bandages are really more of an inventory economy issue but hey, that's a few thousand more gold you can stuff into your pockets in case your bag explodes.
So, here's the thing. Ever since we started this game I kinda wanted to get a sort've supply line thing going, but up until now we never really had someone that would/could keep all that straight. I've noticed haru has gone out of their way to supply holy water during heavier dungeons. So, here's the thing.
Haru/Someone else, would you be willing to be a sort've "storage house" for these supplies, denoting how much you'd think is worth hanging onto (so like, we may not even need any arrows, since we only have a few archers, and elves tend to use their 500 quivers rather then HQ arrows) and pass them out for high end SMs and dungeons where even the big men aren't one shotting junk easily? Maybe even stocking people that prefer to have their own stock of bandages/arrows.
If that's the case I might look into putting some errant, slow going, high level points into potion making/handicraft for those bits.
I always ran handicraft because I felt like the bandages would be usefulish, if in combat first aid is required (rarely, but I feel like it might come up more in high end content, some of those SM mobs have ridiculous wound rate and an errant crit magnum always pretty much puts people down for the count until they're first aided) but we never really found a way to streamline it and people would typically just use the stuff they had because I rarely had enough, but with a middleman to keep another set of eyes on things/be a central point to get this stuff, I think it might roll a little better.
Obviously if anyone else has their 2 cents to weigh in with, please let me know. If nobody's gonna accept the crafted stuff then there's not much point, although obviously I don't think anyone is going to argue with free bandages, not that they're terribly expensive.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2014, 02:06:39 am
When I get around to ranking handicraft/potionmaking myself SoonTM, I'd also be willing to make stuff. I already have plenty of mana/bloody/sunlight herbs from Shyllien Ecology that could be turned into pots. I think the real issue with handmade arrows is how they can't stack to 1k. I mean, even in just a few minutes of screwing around shooting bears and spiders for the Fire Arrow title, I used 19 out of 100. That's nearly 20% of my arrows. :P The damage boost (especially from those Neid bone arrows at the high end) is wonderful, but the inconvenience of carrying and equipping stacks somewhat reduces that benefit at least for me. Hopefully this idea can help alleviate that. (Speaking of Neid, anyone know if it drops anything nice? Might be worth adding to the "hunt these" list of field bosses/raids, along with dragons/sandworms.)
On a side note, I don't think I've ever bought bandages now that you mention it.
Post by: Seriyu on July 05, 2014, 03:29:12 am
Also neid actually drops a colin piece, I forget which one. Maybe helmet?
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 05, 2014, 08:06:36 am
Health Pots: Nobody really used these, as people were always really prompt about healing teammates
Bandages: Definitely need these.
Feathers: These run out fast too.
Spare Weapons?: I have a black flamemare filled with a pretty large variety of, albeit semi-weak, weapons. (Daggers, bastard swords, instruments, crossbow, knuckles, a staff that I swear to god if anyone steals I'm cutting off your nipples)
Mana Pots: I usually just switch to melee when I'm out of mana, so I've never had a huge problem in this department, not sure how it is for more dedicated mages.
Stamina Pots: We have this thing called... Enduring Melody. Unless you're Bar, then you don't even use stamina pots so I don't think we really need these.
Alternatively, looking at the things we actually need, It wouldn't be very hard for everyone to provide their own supplies. I think the only reason that THE DUNGEON NOT TO BE NAMED was so tricky is because none of us bothered to do any large scale stocking up. And ghost/ghasts, but still, everyone ran out of feathers on like, floor 3, :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2014, 02:21:55 pm
Spare weapons aren't required, I think, but nice to have just in case someone mysteriously loses their sword or something. And don't worry about your staff, anyone who does magic and plays regularly already has one. (i.e. me)
Mana pots are also nice, though I don't really drink them on account of the poisoning. Stuff takes forever and a half to wear off.
Stamina pots aren't really needed, though they can speed things up a little rather than resting/waiting. Like you said, Bar is too proud to use pots, and IIRC he's the only one who complains.
And my running out of feathers/bandages was purely because I wasn't expecting so many deaths. How wrong I was.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: For the Green Onion check-in event, MAKE SURE YOU ACTUALLY GOT AN ATTENDANCE SCROLL INSTEAD OF WAITING 10 DAYS AFTER THE EVENT STARTED.... Don't be like me and end up kicking yourself because you're dumb and were like "golly thanks Caravan Joe" when he never actually gave me the scroll. :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 06, 2014, 09:53:11 pm
I think Don already did a pretty comprehensive thingy on this dungeon, but I have my own tale to weave now.
IT isn't really that horrible, honestly.
It's a challenge, but not unfair. Unless you get Giant Sprites.
Anywho, the first 3 rooms have 3 waves of mobs that attack you.
Lynx/Dingo is probably the easiest one, with Larva being second, and Plants being third.
The hardest two are Ghosts, like, 8 ghosts, "Not Peaca ghosts, though" that insta-aggro with decent range. You really need to abuse the corners for this one* and Giant Sprites, the most BS thing ever according to others. With Play Dead and Snap Int magic, I only had a moderate amount of trouble with the hard waves.
Now, the boss. Giant walking tree, actually really easy if you have any idea what you're doing.
Now, he has ass tons of HP, so you need to be careful, but his attacks are really easy to dodge.
He has 3 basic attacks:
Snare, he raises his arms and slams them into the ground, roots you in place for a few seconds and does 150 damage over a few seconds, then hits you again and pulls you to him. Completely nullified by using defense before he uses it.
Stomp, He does a thing with his arms, jumps into the air, and messes you up bad if you're in the radius, which is random per stomp (Comes in small, medium, and huge sizes)
360 degree fuck you mode claw swipe: Not a horrible attack, but it does a lot of damage, and stuns you for a few seconds. Shortish range.
Now, how to fight him. I did it by kiting him around a tree in the corner, and hitting him with bolt magic. And Spear of God. Spear of God does a couple percents of damage to him.
The tree WILL block his stomp attacks if you can get it between you and him, but it will NOT block the snare, gotta use defense on that.
But yeah, that's it. The dude has 230k health, so be prepared to beat on him for a while, but he's easy to deal with otherwise. Have fun, kiddies.
*Each corner has a tree that blocks line of sight, so use the fuck out of these.
Post by: rumpel on July 07, 2014, 03:41:04 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2014, 04:10:55 pm
Post by: rumpel on July 07, 2014, 04:39:57 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2014, 07:48:37 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 08, 2014, 12:51:13 am
e: Forgot to put the location of the guild stone so that you can join. It's very close to the entrance at the top of a cliff in Port Cobh, which is the town to the east of Dunbarton, which is the town to the south of Tir Chonaill, which is the human starting village. Just click on it and apply, mention you're from B12, yadda yadda, and either our very respectable guildmaster Harukaori or our layabout officer Bariaus will get you in.
Somewhat related, I'll be going back, reviewing, and rewriting some of the guides listed in the OP. It goes without saying that 75%+ of them are out of date with the recent patches, and I want people to have the best info possible. Plus I have nothing much else to do while I stress out about life skills and dex. Might even do those dungeon runs again, with more (and hopefully better) screenshots because I'm not afraid of most dungeon mobs anymore.
Also, Haru, I have some things to ask you relating to some stuff I'm looking to buy. I'll note you tomorrow if it's still for sale.
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2014, 02:24:56 am
Post by: alexwazer on July 08, 2014, 12:55:00 pm
However, the post also give details about other weapons. Two of those can be crafted with a rank 6 blacksmith manual sold by Fleta (might change). The materials needed for those are anything outlandish: iron, silver and mythril with some leather and weaving stuff for finishing. Rank 6 means that Don could already craft them, albeit with a somewhat low success rate, but could do much better with just 1 or 2 extra rank in blacksmithing. You probably what that means as far as my goal for the next few weeks. If you've guessed that I'm going to do blacksmithing, you guessed wrong, but I will hunt seals and grind metallurgy. I plan to get up to rank 6 blacksmithing before the ninja release, and I will do so... mostly because 50 training seal coming from attendance event soon and I already have some from the previous event left.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 08, 2014, 01:53:15 pm
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If you've guessed that I'm going to do blacksmithing, you guessed wrongHaha, darn. Those craftable shuriken do look really nice, and the skills (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feehwpfCvDc) are pretty interesting. General question for everyone: who's planning to go ninja? I know Litteh/Seriyu's elf was, and maybe Haru was going to try it, but beyond that I got nothing.
Gotta say, the Mabi title theme remixed to an over-the-top "Japanese"-style track is pretty great. Definitely brought at least a smirk to my face. Link for the lazy. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64okm-e_erI)
Another side note, in the process of rewriting guides, reading all the old guides and dungeon runs is very nostalgic and quite entertaining in itself. Remember wiping like 5 times in Coill Normal while getting Evasion? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98571.msg3517026#msg3517026) Remember when the Genesis patch totally altered combat? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98571.msg3429505#msg3429505) Remember Mobliz as Savage Beast only having 565 HP? And probably the funniest, remember Elves being deadly and probably "the best race"? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=98571.msg3449237#msg3449237) :))
What a blast from the past. Sorry for the cliche, there's really no better way to describe that feeling.
Post by: alexwazer on July 08, 2014, 02:23:10 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 08, 2014, 07:44:31 pm
Post by: rumpel on July 09, 2014, 04:42:00 pm
Post by: majikero on July 09, 2014, 04:57:17 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 09, 2014, 05:01:33 pm
Just to clarify, can you go fullscreen and the resolution is just bad? Or does it error out or something when you do that?
Edit: While I'm here, for everyone else, dragon pets are back and everyone that wants one better grab one while they're there.
Post by: rumpel on July 09, 2014, 06:39:00 pm
Post by: rumpel on July 09, 2014, 06:39:50 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 09, 2014, 06:53:17 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 09, 2014, 07:11:04 pm
Supplies: It’s generally best for people to carry around supplies they’ll use on their own as inventory space is the big killer in Mabi. Saving arrows or bolts or weapons for other people will chew up a lot of inventory space and I really don’t have the use for that stuff right now. Making potions and handing them off to guildmates would be a simpler matter through the mail and by using alt accounts then having to carry around stacks and stacks of what people need. It’s pretty easy to create potions with a little work as picking the herbs is the biggest part. That’s not to saying keeping some spares of important items, or the ability to buy them, is a bad thing.
Ninja: I’m planning on trying to do everything eventually and I will at least try and pickup all of the Ninja skills even if I don’t try to go for Master Ninja right away. I’m sure a few of the skills will be useful in harder dungeons and possibly bandit fights due to utility to freeze/delay attackers. Right now I’m still on the intro Fighter quest and trying to pound out some life skills this week to get some extra Dex and Int. Hopefully I’ll have the time/AP get the get the skills even if I won’t have the stats for major damage.
Dragons: I’ve seen the Ice and Thunder being quite useful in MA and 60 more inv slots is always a nice thing. Right now I’m teetering between “I’d be stupid to spend $16 on these.” and “Shut up and take my money.” At least I’ll have about 2 weeks to make my mind up.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 09, 2014, 11:02:09 pm
To make this post a little more useful, here's the promised "class"/talent overview, now up to date. I might go back here and update this post as new talents are released, or I could just make new posts as they come out. I'll start on combat talents first because crafting ones are a little more involved and aren't really the best choice for a beginner. Note that I haven't yet used every single talent out there, so I might not be 100% familiar with how they all work. These little descriptions are based off what experience I have and observations of other members using them. Talents that have vastly different names from the title that appears over your head will have the talent name first and the title second. Also note that I'll be making liberal use of the [abbr] tag to describe skills and clean up all my parentheses. The tag lets you mouse over things and see a little description like alt-text. Try it on this whole paragraph!
Close Combat/Warrior, obviously a close range combat talent, is likely the easiest and cheapest to get started. Basically, you just run up to enemies and attack them at close range. This does some good damage early on and isn't that hard to pick up, but also has a high potential for you to get hurt because you're right in enemies' faces. 1 on 1 combat is simple enough especially with the instaload alterations from the Genesis patch back in 2012, but it quickly gets dangerous when you have to fend off more than one enemy. It gets especially ugly when an enemy archer/mage is also shooting you. Basically, if more than one thing targets you, close combat will get a lot tougher. There are three different weapon types: swords, axes, and maces/blunts. Swords are by far the most common with higher balance, while axes and maces have little diversity but come packing high crit and damage, respectively. I'd recommend at least learning some skills and how they interact before moving onto other talents. Windmill, Counterattack, and Defense are essentials, while Smash is kind of nice. Damage is based on strength.
Archery is a long range attacking talent. It's rather unique for archery in an MMO: to attack, you have to click on your target once, wait for an aiming gauge over your head to reach 100%, and then click again to fire. You can shoot before it hits 100%, but there's a chance you'll miss, wasting an arrow, stamina, and time. Bows and crossbows have high wound rate in general, meaning that any damage you do is going to stay there and not be healed. Archery can get frustrating when things rush at you, you aim at them (aim goes up faster the closer the target is!), fail to hit, and you end up getting wrecked. The talent as a whole is a little weaker than most, but is by no means bad. There are two weapon types: the diverse bows and the sorely-lacking-variety crossbows with differing stats and some small gameplay effects. For example, humans are forced to walk with ranged attacks loaded using a bow, but can run using a crossbow. Based on dexterity.
Magic is my chosen field of expertise, a mid-long range attack talent. Magic is notable in that it uses mana (MP), unlike pretty much everything else which uses Stamina. Mana regenerates very slowly during the day, so unless you use Meditation, drink potions, or wait until Eweca rises, that blue bar isn't going anywhere. Divided into tiers: bolt magic, intermediate, and advanced. Note that intermediate and advanced magic require wands and staves respectively, which are pretty expensive to get and repair. You also have to go on lengthy quests to unlock intermediate magic and above, which can be difficult. The vast majority of these quests come from one NPC, Stewart the magic teacher in Dunbarton. Bolt magic is fairly weak at first but fast, whereas intermediate and advanced magic do extreme damage but are time and mana consuming to cast. All magic skills eat up a lot of AP, so beware! Based on intelligence.
Alchemy is an all-range attack and support talent. Well, there are actually two talents, Battle Alchemy for battling and Construct Alchemy for more out of combat support stuff. Alchemists use cylinders and various elemental alchemy crystals for all their skills. There are several diverse skills, such as the AoE multihit Flame Burst, the single target powerful Water Cannon, the defensive barricade Barrier Spikes, the AoE crowd control Shock, and the almighty Hydra Transmutation. The main alchemy weapon is the cylinder, which can be buffed by an offhand guard cylinder to boost effects. Alchemists don't use stats in the way other talents do; instead, the alchemy skills' damage is increased by the skill rank and your bars (HP, MP, and Stamina) depending on the skill.
Fighter/Martial Arts is a single-target melee talent. With some cool knuckles, you punch and kick enemies with Chain Skills to make combos. It's very good at locking down single enemies and can do amazing damage . However, its weaknesses start to show up when Heavy Stander and multiaggro come into play, though it's still workable. Knuckles have shorter range than even Close Combat/Warrior, which can be dangerous. Most Close Combat/Warrior skills can still be used, like Smash, Counter, and Windmill (note that Windmill's radius is reduced greatly so it's basically unusable). There are only a few types of knuckles. Based on will.
Music/Bard is a melee/support talent. You can play music and give your party buffs. Notable in that you can write your own music onto score scrolls using Music Markup Language (MML). You'll hear anime openings, anime endings, plenty of Vocaloid music, and video game songs. Programs such as 3ML Editor are very helpful and can convert midi files to MML for score scroll use. Bards have only one direct damage skill, and instruments do rather weak damage. Skills range from boosting recovery speed to putting enemies to sleep to buffing damage and crit. There are plenty of instruments with a variety of sound ranges. Damage is based on strength, but playing music without making mistakes is based on dexterity.
Lance Combat/Knight is a close-midrange attacking talent. Lances play like an extension to Close Combat/Warrior, using some of the same skills like Smash but having others disabled like Counterattack and Defense. Lances have a unique Piercing Level stat that ignores a set amount of defense and protection on the enemy. However, they have a minimum range unlike all other weapons, meaning if an enemy gets too close there's not much you can do. They also attack slowly and have terrible balance. There are very few lances. Based on strength.
Puppetry is a close to mid-range attacking talent. The unique gimmick that puppets bring is.. well, the puppet. It acts like a summon that you control using control bars. When Control Marionette is active, you control the puppet and your character follows it around. However, puppets can't be healed or revived like players and pets can, needing special recovery potions and repair kits. Puppetry has some very powerful AoE and positioning attacks, like Act 6: Crisis' suction effect and Act 7: Climactic Crash's huge whirlwind area. There are very few control bar choices. Based on strength and dexterity.
Dual Guns/Gunslinger is another mid-range attack talent. First off, all guns in this game to date are dual handguns. Sorry, no rifles or shotguns or anything. Dual guns use mana bullets, but unlike archery and alchemy, each mana bullet acts as a cartridge or magazine. The different guns have different clip sizes, and each mana bullet item fills it up entirely, so if your gun can load 64 shots and you have 100 mana bullets, that's the equivalent of 6400 shots (but all attacks use more than 1). Dual guns can do both high AoE and single target damage, with skills like Shooting Rush and Bullet Storm covering huge areas and Flash Launcher and even normal attacks being able to dish out damage to one enemy. Single-target normal attacks have NO knockback except on critical hits so if you shoot someone running at you, they won't be dissuaded much. There are 4 kinds of normal guns, which I'll talk about later. Based on strength and intelligence.
Then there's the upcoming mid-range Ninja, as described by Seriyu. Looks like many crowd control and misdirection-style attacks just like a real ninja, such as smokescreens and traps. Since it's not out at the time of this writing
Post by: krisslanza on July 10, 2014, 11:32:12 am
Post by: Evaris on July 11, 2014, 02:49:17 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 11, 2014, 02:56:52 am
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 11, 2014, 06:45:00 pm
If you have any interesting news about Tarlach or want to chat us up on what you’re doing with your character I’d be quite interested. From what I’ve seen/heard on the official forums the other servers are less populated and that can make either a ghost town or a tight-knit community.
Say, is it possible to chat with people across servers? I thought I remembered seeing an option for server selection when adding someone to the friends list.
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 11, 2014, 07:42:17 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 11, 2014, 07:46:19 pm
Post by: Evaris on July 11, 2014, 07:48:18 pm
As far as chat across servers, you can add people as friends across servers and speak through them through the friendlist messenger I know.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 16, 2014, 03:29:31 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 16, 2014, 08:12:39 pm
Hopefully some of the stuff will be useful to others.
It's been fun for a while and it has been a pleasure playing with everyone here.
Post by: Seriyu on July 16, 2014, 08:46:08 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 16, 2014, 09:26:08 pm
It's been a long and fun trip with plenty of ups and downs alike. Hope we'll see each other again in some game out there sometime.
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 17, 2014, 05:24:54 am
Hopefully you reconsider, but also hopefully you go on to do something awesome without this disease of a timesink on your plate, :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 17, 2014, 06:30:36 pm
Saturday has a Commerce Reforge Tool and Sunday has "Pan's Special Gold Coin Box", a 1x1 gold pouch storing up to 50k. These are quite a step up from blessed magic powder.
The weekend's buff will be 2x everything commerce. Exp, gold, ducats, and also 100% repair rate on everything. Wow, pretty cool.
The weekdays after will be 2x puppetry. Nothing much here. Just puppetry. Literally only puppetry.
ARQuest 2014 has hit a major setback since getting into 4-people dungeons just got a lot harder (do we even have 4 semi-active people...). At least newfound cooking skills means pass boxes (and obviously passes) will be a lot easier to get, if not use.
E: Also check out this sweet boss timer (http://xerodox.com/mbt/) by Yai on Mabination. It's not like we want anything from raids, or can score any good contribution on raids, or even have enough desire to show up to raids, or anything.
Post by: alexwazer on July 17, 2014, 07:22:20 pm
ARQuest 2014 has hit a major setback since getting into 4-people dungeons just got a lot harder (do we even have 4 semi-active people...). At least newfound cooking skills means pass boxes (and obviously passes) will be a lot easier to get, if not use.
You have the wrong analysis of the situation there, it just got much simpler. I left my account accessible exactly for that kind of situation; to be used, raided, exploited and eventually emptied. Contact Heshe, have Himher log in into my account and buy one of those AR 7 page on housing board, then use some the seals I had left for expiration removal if needed. Or have Heshe give you the account info. Btw, forgot to mention that, but feel free to share it with other guild members, that's why I changed all the account infos.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 18, 2014, 04:56:15 pm
Meanwhile, the UAS microsite (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/micro-site/ultimate-anime-summer) was updated recently. It has all the upcoming weekend/weekday boosts and hot time rewards for the next month. Of note, Saturday 7/26 has 1 fine and 1 Credne's reforging tool, Saturday 8/9 has a Permanent Stat Increase Potion (!!!!), and Sunday 8/10 has another Credne's. Looks like the Blessed Magic Powder wasn't typical of all the rewards. Maybe the final reward will be something worth kicking ourselves for missing a single hot time over. Pretty cool, though, now I won't have to post new stuff every week. I probably will anyway as a reminder, but.
Also, it's not entirely clear just from the microsite, but Ninja is apparently coming out very VERY soon! Probably after next week's maintenance (7/23-24?), if I had to make a guess based on the site. Plus you can see the ninja trainer NPCs, if you haven't already seen them from the other forum posts with previews and stuff. Very animesque. Dunno how I feel about that. Almost definitely going to be another gacha based on them. I hope it has some nice stuff in it that we can snatch up for cheap.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 18, 2014, 08:14:12 pm
Week 4: 7/19 is a Commerce Reforge Tool, 7/20 is a 1x1 special gold box.
Weekend: 2x Commerce rewards (XP, Gold, other stuff maybe), 100% repair rate.
Weekly: Puppetry 2x Training
Week 5: 7/26 is 1 Fine and 1 Credne’s Reforge tools, 7/27 is 1 Enchant Expiration Removal Scroll.
Weekend: 3x Monster XP, 2x Combat-type buffs, 2x Drop Rate
Weekly: 2x Fighter Skill Training
Week 6: 8/2 is 1-10 point training seal, 8/3 is 1 Special Tendering Potion.
Weekend: 3x Monster XP
Weekly: 2x Magic Skill Training
Week 7: 8/9 is 1 Permanent Stat Increase Potion, 8/10 is 1 Credne’s Reforge tool.
Weekend: 3x Monster XP, 2x PTJ rewards, 2x Crafting-type buffs
Weekly: 2x Alchemy Skill Training
Dir, it may be better off holding onto those Fiodh boxes we get until 7/26 and 7/27 to make use of the 2x drop rate for AR 9 if you can wait for 2 weekends. I’ll keep working on the food regardless of how often you’re going to run. If you’re on a mission and determined to keep running please don’t burn yourself out. :P
Also, glowing statue pots. I’ve been getting them from cooking up vegetable soup for the hot spring glutton monkeys. If anyone has any interest in getting together to run/spam Karu glowing ruins for Exploration page 3 for Ice Spear or profit 7/26 and 7/27 would be the time to do it. So far I have 4 pots total and if I can keep up at least 20 foods per day that should likely increase significantly by the time 7/26 and 7/27 roll around.
Edit-ish: I see Dir already informed everyone about it but since my stupid connection was out for 6 stupid hours I'm going to post it anyway. No sense in having it go to waste.
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Actual Edit: It seems the Commerce Partner is back (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Hvo) at 50% off and costing ~$9.00 for one week running from tomorrow, July 19th to July 25th. Well, I guess Nexon is really trying to catch new players up to speed on P2W. :P
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 20, 2014, 11:02:46 am
So, it seems Nexon dropped the ball (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1229249-Hot-Time-Issues%26nxid%3D10) on Saturday’s hot time event. A second reply about it can be found here at post #114 (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1229249-Hot-Time-Issues%26p%3D10371998%26viewfull%3D1%23post10371998%26nxid%3D10). Both Don and Hishi did properly log in during the hot time event and should be receiving items when Nexon gets this garbage sorted out.
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 20, 2014, 07:07:31 pm
If my inventory gets full, feel free to throw stuff on pets.
Again, thanks for doing this for me still.
Post by: krisslanza on July 21, 2014, 09:40:19 am
I Guess at least I DID get my alts Wagons so... partial success...?
Post by: krisslanza on July 23, 2014, 01:34:35 am
But Ninja update tomorrow.
Have some copy/pasta patch notes.
New Talent – Ninja
As your active Talent, you’ll gain Strength and Will more quickly.
Earn 2x EXP when training Ninja skills.
New Characters receive the “Shadow in the Darkness” beginner title.
Entering Combat Mode allows you to run swiftly.
New Weapon Type - Shuriken
Equipping Shuriken-type weapons will allow you to utilize special Ninja skills.
The Spiral Shuriken can be obtained through the Ninja beginner's tutorial quest or from an NPC that sells weapons.
Blacksmiths can now learn how to create Hagi's and Anju's Shuriken from Blacksmith Manuals.
Operates as a melee and range weapon.
New Skills
Shuriken Mastery (Passive)
Must have a Shuriken equipped to train the skill
Transitions normal attacks into shuriken attacks
Swiftly strikes a single target in range
Shuriken Charge
Charge up the skill and target an enemy to strike
Charge up your Shuriken to strike multiple enemies in range
Shadow Cloak
Vanish into the night, avoiding harm (increases running speed while active)
If you manually cancel the skill, you'll reappear from the shadows and generate a tornado
Enemies hit with the tornado will receive damage and be knocked back
Once the tornado dissipates, it will stun the enemy
Explosive Kunai
Deploy an explosive trap on the ground
Damages enemies that run over it
Higher ranks will increase the number of explosives deployed
Kunai Storm
Target an enemy and rain a storm of Kunai blades upon its head
Any enemies in range will also be damaged
Shadow Bind
Select the ground near an enemy to call upon the shadows
Shadow beings will rise from the ground to stun nearby foes
Sakura Abyss
Hold and charge your magic to blast monsters with nature’s fury
As you continue the charge, the range and damage increases
Enemies in range will be damaged
Charging the skill will leave you vulnerable to attacks
Smokescreen
Select the ground near an enemy to cast a thick fog
The fog will cloud the enemy’s vision and lower their defense
Misc.
Players will no longer drop items when knocked unconscious.
Players who have at least 10 Weapon Fragments from the Shadowy Talents Event will receive a Starblade Shuriken in exchange.
Players who received a Shadowy Coupon from the Shadowy Talents Event will receive a Ninja Skill Potion in exchange.
Resolved Issues
Trading one of the following character cards will now grant an Appearance Coupon:
Rin-Len Giant Premium Character Card
Rin-Len Elf Premium Character Card
Rin-Len Human Premium Character Card
Miku-Kaito Giant Premium Character Card
Miku-Kaito Elf Premium Character Card
Miku-Kaito Human Premium Character Card
The Rich-Blonde hair color from the Rin-Len Giant Premium Character Card is now available if you have the Rin-Len hairstyle equipped.
The Maid and Butler hairstyles previously purchased in the Beauty Shop is no longer available. All players who had the hairstyle on 6/24/14 and after will be compensated with 25 Pon.
Players can now turn in their Fleta's Heavy Armor Upgrade Coupon (Event) with NPC, Fleta.
Players who logged in on Saturday, July 19, between 8PM - 9PM PDT will receive the Commerce Reforging Tool upon log in.
The mouth styles for Square Mouth, Triangle Mouth, and Laughing Mouth will now appear properly for Giants in the Dressing Room.
Players can no longer equip two inner tubes at once.
Graphics for the charge counter on skill icons can now be seen.
Known Issues
In the "First Encounter" quest for Ninja, the first criteria may not complete if you speak to Endelyon too quickly. Re-logging or changing channels will resolve this issue.
When running the Ninja skill tutorials (in Shadow Missions) for the Ninja, Anju or Hagi may become unresponsive.
Any items rented from NPC Rena can be enchanted, upgraded, repaired, dyed, blessed, purified, hammered, and reforge. We strongly recommend that you do not since it has an expiration date.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 23, 2014, 02:33:56 am
Anju's and Hagi's Shuriken are the high quality endgame special-upgradable weapons and so far can only be smithed, so we'll have to turn to our favorite blacksmith for them. Or his lifeless husk controlled by heshe, I guess. I can provide some mats if you need them; just ask.
Of course a new update means a new gachapon, probably. This is most likely where the outfits and wigs of Anju and Hagi will come from. Dunno what else they might put in, though I'm hoping for some more Japan-themed items or preforged HLCs/HLBs. (not that i'll be able to get fine reforges to become a real p2w-er) Keep your eyes open.
ARquest 2014/Dir's personal status report: Still just need p9. Fiodh passes feel so rare all of a sudden, compared to Ciar and Alby. Right now I'm ranking weaving and maaaaybe tailoring so that I'm not a weakling archer. Once I get that pesky p9 and acceptable ranks in the tailoring skills, I'll go full archer mode. After that probably carpentry talent to
And a couple general requests/notes to self: If you somehow spot a Dexterity (rA suffix for headgear) for 400-500k please get it for me. I could also use a smithed warhammer and battle sword, preferably with copper finish if anyone does any smithing soon. I'll pay you for your mats and time. Thanks a bunch!
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 24, 2014, 12:02:48 am
Ninja isn’t without a few faults. There are reports that Mabi is CTDing on players around those using Ninja skills (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1233280-Random-Client-Closing%26nxid%3D10). Also, the sound is messed up on skills and if someone in the loaded area is using a Ninja skill it will…PLAY AT 150% VOLUME LIKE THEY’RE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR SOUND SETTINGS. (All caps added for emphasis as to how annoying this is.) I’m sure there are others but I haven’t gotten that far yet. I guess there’s something about mobs spinning when hit by a skill. Most people on the official forums seem to think Ninja is underwhelming but your mileage is likely to vary. The basic Ninja attack does have the same downfall as guns as it doesn’t really stun the enemy you’re hitting until the 3rd strike so it plays up the ranged angle.
Also, Nexon’s re-released Week 5 Rewards (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Hrz) and made a small addition of 100% Full Repair which means they either messed up and are correcting their error or acquiesced to general outrage that the previous 100% repair was for blacksmithing only. So if you’re going to play next weekend you can, hopefully, look forward to a full 100% repair from all NPCs. 2x for pretty much all combat-related training will be coming as well as 2x Drop Rate and 3x Monster XP.
Dir, I know you may be off Mabi for the weekend so I’ll keep cooking and try my best to spam Fiodh Int for 1 to get AR 9 for you with what time I’ll have available on the weekend. In doing this I may not mail off any Fiodh pass boxes to you but I’ll likely send everything else unless you request them on the forums or by mail/note. I’ll also keep an eye open for Dex Enchant < 500k and any “cheap” AR 9 pages on housing.
In other news, I have a new cable modem so that should stop my connection/modem from rebooting on me every 5~60 minutes or whatever was going on. Testing it out tonight and nothing bad happening so far but I’m typing this up now since Mabi CTDed on me. I guess I’ll know in a few days if I’ll be good to grind for hours on end again and if Nexon will patch out the potential problems with Ninja.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 25, 2014, 02:20:14 am
Dir, I found a pre-expiration removed page of AR 9. If you still need it then you can put AR Quest 2014 to rest. Let me know if you still need it sent to you or if you found one of your own.
On Ninja:
I'm considering using some of the perfect reset capsules from the event to de-rank some of the skills that I've invested AP in but don't really use all that much or that would be sort-of covered by Ninja skills. The prime one for me to de-rank would be Combat Mastery, Rank 1, as it would give me about 198 AP to move around and trim some CP as well. Some of the STR and HP would come back with Ninja skills so it shouldn't end up being that major of a loss. I've also considered de-ranking lesser used skills like Assault Slash, Sword Mastery, Gold Strike, Sand Burst, or Life Drain. Most of those skills aren't really used outside of special situations. Puppets/Gunner/maybe Ninja seem to be covering everything so I don't have major use of certain close combat or alchemy skills outside of dedicated use. Any thoughts on this?
Post by: Seriyu on July 25, 2014, 03:01:17 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 25, 2014, 10:29:03 am
About the AR page, you did get it, right? If not, please do when you see this.
Post by: alexwazer on July 25, 2014, 01:15:44 pm
Ranking skills you use is always better than ranking skills for stats, so if you use the new skills, go for it.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on July 28, 2014, 11:52:22 am
From what I've understood ninja really is close combat+, there's a lot of overlap. Consider deranking some stuff that overlaps with ninja, should it exist.
Calling Ninja close combat+ seems a bit off. It really feels more like a ranged add-on for Fighter with most of its skills being such short range and mostly AoE-ish. That’s likely what it was designed as with Str/Will being the main stats. It also seems to throw out a lot of HP/Str compared to similar skills in Close Combat and that’s likely what gets it the beginner talent treatment.
You never really go wrong using reset capsules in these situations. You don't lose the training you've done, so it would only require AP to get the skill back up later if you want the stats. Using capsules would allow you to use that AP for ninja skills which, I assume, receive double training right now. See it as an AP reinvestement to optimize training. Lately, AP has been plentiful, so if you ever want to get those ranks back up, it wouldn't be too long.
Ranking skills you use is always better than ranking skills for stats, so if you use the new skills, go for it.
Well, use is the real issue I guess. I’m ranking Ninja skills since they’re new and fancy but there’s also a lot of potential there. With rank 1 Shadow Bind and master title you can keep 6 enemies frozen indefinitely. Kunai Storm is short range AoE that can be used on adjacent enemies and does up to 400% damage with 4 separate 100% hits at rank 1. I had the pleasure of being in an elite Sulfur Spider mission where people were just spamming Shadow Bind and Kunai Storm and keeping enemies locked down during the wave room/main hall. With a group of 5 or 6 people using Ninja skills they were able to keep enemies pushed back on a non-bugged mission quite easily. Sakura Abyss, aka flower-petal-explosion-no-jutsu, doesn’t draw enemy aggro either and people have claimed quick finishes in MA using R1 Rain Casting + Sakura Abyss + AoE pet spam.
What I’m really looking for with Ninja is a good compliment to puppets as I haven’t really found something that meshes well and does good damage. Mainly I need this for Master Ogre Bandit Boss fights as I still struggle there using puppets. Alchemy would likely be very useful but not until I’ve sunk in a lot of AP and time into training up skills. So far damage with alchemy has been underwhelming.
In other news, I now have Ice Spear. I spammed Karu Glowing on Sunday and came out with a couple of Exploration Journal Page 3’s and likely made up around 80 ~ 100 monkey foods for statues but only scored one more glowing pot. Plenty of pass boxes though. I managed to get IS 1 and IS 4 as drops, had IS 3 and 5 on hand, and purchased IS 2 for a non-insane price. Next will be a short quest killing worms and Ice Wyverns and I’ll eventually need the help of a giant to get a Mirror Witch kill but that will be a week or two away.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 28, 2014, 11:40:59 pm
Calling Ninja close combat+ seems a bit off. It really feels more like a ranged add-on for Fighter with most of its skills being such short range and mostly AoE-ish. That’s likely what it was designed as with Str/Will being the main stats. It also seems to throw out a lot of HP/Str compared to similar skills in Close Combat and that’s likely what gets it the beginner talent treatment.Yeah, I've heard it's very good with other skillsets, fighter and guns especially. Though I've also heard complaints about the cooldown/loading times making them less useful than they could be. People complain that Shadow Bind is just "lullaby but bad" but it's actually infinite if you use the master title or reforges because you can rebind mobs, unlike Lullaby. Sounds like a mix between Frozen Blast (no knockback, can be done multiple times) and Lullaby. BEWARE OF CRASHES THOUGH FOR REAL
What I’m really looking for with Ninja is a good compliment to puppets as I haven’t really found something that meshes well and does good damage. Mainly I need this for Master Ogre Bandit Boss fights as I still struggle there using puppets. Alchemy would likely be very useful but not until I’ve sunk in a lot of AP and time into training up skills. So far damage with alchemy has been underwhelming.I think you need ranks and bars to do good damage. I already do things like 2k (last time I checked around Enlightenment) but only with the full 5 charges, r1, and like 600 MP. So.... use ninja I guess.
In other news, I now have Ice Spear. I spammed Karu Glowing on Sunday and came out with a couple of Exploration Journal Page 3’s and likely made up around 80 ~ 100 monkey foods for statues but only scored one more glowing pot. Plenty of pass boxes though. I managed to get IS 1 and IS 4 as drops, had IS 3 and 5 on hand, and purchased IS 2 for a non-insane price. Next will be a short quest killing worms and Ice Wyverns and I’ll eventually need the help of a giant to get a Mirror Witch kill but that will be a week or two away.Good work. When you go for Hailstorm drag me with you, I also need it still.
Coming back to town tomorrow, yay. I'll probably just get back to weaving. I need those stats, yo. I'm also a little short on AP so I can't get to maxing all my ranged skills yet.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on August 07, 2014, 03:51:26 pm
The anime life weekly bonuses haven’t been announced yet so that might happen next week leading into week 8’s weekend.
In Hailstorm news, I’m finally to the point where I need to kill a Mirror Witch so if Dir has a giant and is up for a double run then we can both get Hailstorm in one night. I may need to call on Don’s giant though. I don’t think my giant has Stomp yet. I might want to get that skill. :P
Post by: Seriyu on August 07, 2014, 06:03:04 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2014, 10:56:16 pm
For real though, I don't think I'll be doing much of those events. Not much reason to so far without a few fancy rewards. Think there'll be another gacha with all this SAO stuff or will it be event exclusive? My money (metaphorically) is on gacha because Nexon.
I... have been seriously slacking off on Hailstorm. I should be able to quickly murder all ice worms and wyverns though. I do have a giant character but it is somewhat disappointingly weak.
Sorry I haven't been on at the same time as you much recently, I've
Post by: krisslanza on August 08, 2014, 01:18:45 am
I still dream of the day we get a localized SRW, sigh...
Post by: krisslanza on August 13, 2014, 02:43:37 pm
The event is up now for dungeons - Alby, Math, Fiodh, and PEACA. Looking at some of the prizes, the neatest so far seems to be a special bag that holds recovery potions in a 7x4 or something...
Post by: FireCrazy on August 15, 2014, 09:39:24 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 15, 2014, 05:09:06 pm
So the way it works is you talk to the informant NPC in Fiodh and Peaca lobbies/just outside Math and Alby to get a pass to enter a Zone. At first you can only access zone 1 (easy and super short), but as more and more people from across the server do these dungeons, you'll eventually be able to go to 2 through 5. For reference, I think we're up to 2 and almost 3 right now.
When you clear a dungeon, you'll get a map piece for the specific dungeon and zone you just cleared (Alby 1, Math 3, etc). You can trade these in with the informant to get a general dungeon ticket (only has the zone number, can be traded). These are what you'll be further trading in with the sysadmin for Cool Rewards. There are also System Administrator Access Codes that can rarely drop from monsters that you can trade for anything.
Rewards include various crystals (basically free potions that also are antidotes, apparently), the Divine Stone of Returning Soul (7x4 potion bag), and the especially cool 2nd title coupons. Here are the bonuses and costs, with (!)s noting how amazing some of these unique boosts look.
Spoiler: bonuses in rough alphabetical order (click to show/hide)
But wait, there's more. Each of the dungeons drops combo card fragments that you can stick together to make ACTUALLY USEFUL COMBO CARDS. What a novel concept!!! You can just stick 5 Firebolts in one card or something. It's pretty great. This is also a reason to do other dungeons besides Alby all day every day, because they give different skills. See the wiki page to know exactly where you can get what you want.
At this point I don't even care it's a SAO crossover or anything. The rewards are just so nice.
e: I have been deceived, turns out you can only get the sweet Lisbeth smithing title from buying the outfit. Okay.
Post by: krisslanza on August 20, 2014, 02:50:44 pm
Next event begun it seems also. Reminding us that even outside of SAO, Kirito is still OP.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2014, 02:56:14 pm
Also, I take back what I said about running for multiples of all the titles, it's way too big of a grind. I'll probably only be getting ALO Asuna for myself and then quitting the dungeon event. Seriously though, who thought a hundred of a four-floor dungeon would be a good idea?
E: Gave the Crystallite thing a try. It's VERY easy. The slayers have less than 150 HP, and all you have to do is occasionally smack them when they appear. Crystallite ingots appear randomly around the area and all you have to do is walk over and pick them up. This is more of a timesink than anything else. Also, Kirito is totally useless, only able to use Final Hit and lure the White Dragon over to where you are causing massive annoyance. What I'd probably do with this event is do it once for the title, then split because the box rewards don't seem worth it... well, besides the very slim chance of getting a refining training pot that isn't tradable.
Post by: krisslanza on August 22, 2014, 02:50:02 am
You get a one-of-a-kind 2nd Title, and a Polar Bear Hat Seal Whistle. Whatever that means.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on August 27, 2014, 02:40:24 am
We have a new member in the guild! Rirthin is the newest member, just accepted last night/this morning. If you see Rirthin in-game please welcome Rirthin to the guild!
The fishing event should be popping up after the maintenance tomorrow. Aside from swimsuits and a fishing boost title I’m not sure what kind of rewards this event is giving out. It seems to be running the same as the fashion bait fishing event where you just fish with special bait but there also seems to be a turn-in portion. It will be interesting to see how easy it will be to get good stuff from this event or if the stuff is tradable. To anyone fishing, best of luck!
Post by: krisslanza on August 29, 2014, 04:21:57 pm
Also double skill EXP and x5 monster EXP all weekend.
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 30, 2014, 03:26:14 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2014, 10:06:27 am
In other news, I finally got my ALO Asuna title after slaving away for days. It was a fate that I wouldn't wish on anyone else. Seriously, 300+ floors of dungeon and not even a glimpse at one of those sysadmin codes.
And it's 2x skills like krisslanza said and I don't feel like grinding anything. Wooooo
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 03, 2014, 03:45:07 pm
Apparently yesterday there were some severe server issues on all Nexon games because they messed something up over there. I'd wager it was something network-related as opposed to a DDOS or whatever. Everything seems better now and there's almost certainly going to be some compensation.
Post by: etgfrog on September 03, 2014, 05:21:06 pm
Post by: Malt_Hitman on September 04, 2014, 01:57:24 am
And not only are maids and butlers on sale but the partner carriage and broom are as well. However it seems maids and butlers have had a major nerf for hair and eye color as that was revamped and moved to a pons system. If you're planning on getting a maid or butler you may want to hold off making it if Nexon moves back to the old system for hair and eye colors.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 11, 2014, 05:32:11 am
I hate (http://i.imgur.com/fglpRfF.jpg) these goddamn things.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on September 11, 2014, 08:33:20 am
It looks like Treasure Hunter was coming soon (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/all/1/00I0s/treasure-hunter-coming-soon), somewhere around last week. It now looks like Treasure Hunter is coming this weekend with a Dual Colt giveaway this Saturday, September 13th (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00I1t). After Tuesday’s maintenance to remove SAO content Nexon’s throwing out another maintenance (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00I1q) for Treasure Hunter and…the Return of Doki Doki Island! :D Which likely no one else here cares about since people playing from back then have stopped playing. :P
At least Treasure Hunter seems to be getting rolled out quite quick to minimize the non-event time for all of the new players that were picked up with SAO content.
Post by: Bel on October 10, 2014, 02:18:56 pm
Last year's Halloween event returns! It's the Cursed Labyrinth again, running from Oct. 6th to Nov. 4th!
There's also the Revenge of the Trickster event, a field boss in North Dunbarton who gives a buff on defeat, running from Oct. 20th to Nov. 4th.
For those of you who have completed the Iria Saga episode I, a new episode is coming out! Log in between Oct. 1st and Oct. 15th to claim your Saga I completion box.
For those of us who haven't (i.e. me), fear not! If you complete the Saga between the 1st and 15th, you too can receive a box of goodies.
The prologue and part 1 of episode II are out now, with a preview of part 2 coming out on the 13th.
Happy October all! if anyone still reads this thread ha ha ;_;
Post by: krisslanza on October 11, 2014, 12:19:55 am
In the absence of other guild members, I guess I'll carry on the news update torch...
Last year's Halloween event returns! It's the Cursed Labyrinth again, running from Oct. 6th to Nov. 4th!
There's also the Revenge of the Trickster event, a field boss in North Dunbarton who gives a buff on defeat, running from Oct. 20th to Nov. 4th.
For those of you who have completed the Iria Saga episode I, a new episode is coming out! Log in between Oct. 1st and Oct. 15th to claim your Saga I completion box.
For those of us who haven't (i.e. me), fear not! If you complete the Saga between the 1st and 15th, you too can receive a box of goodies.
The prologue and part 1 of episode II are out now, with a preview of part 2 coming out on the 13th.
Happy October all! if anyone still reads this thread ha ha ;_;
I think a lot of us are back in the 'downward slump' of Mabinogi. Where you kinda burn out, play something else for a bit, then come back...
That being said, I missed the Labyrinth last year, so I think I should try it this time. I just wish I could stream Mabinogi, but whenever I do this, it seems to play havoc with OBS and drops frames like crazy. I can stream Rome 2 better!
Post by: AngelXDv on November 22, 2014, 01:43:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 25, 2015, 05:00:47 am
The cycle repeats! Title updated also. Details on the revamp coming... probably tomorrow when I can make sure I've got all the info right.
Post by: Sonlirain on January 25, 2015, 11:50:23 am
I remember it going haywire in the past and uninstalling itself every other time for no reason and now it's not even avaible for me on steam.
As in i can search for mabinogi and i'll just get "no items found."
Post by: Skyrunner on January 25, 2015, 12:53:41 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on January 25, 2015, 01:19:00 pm
Anyway i'm in the B12 guild... it's just that i can't download the client on steam.
Will try downloading it manually but no idea if it will work.
Post by: Skyrunner on January 25, 2015, 01:26:37 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on January 25, 2015, 01:59:05 pm
It probably won't. Mabinogi checks the client IP when you log in.
Odd considering i used to play it for quite a bit and i never had any problems with IP or region.
Well if it won't work then i just lost some time downloading it then.
Post by: Seriyu on January 25, 2015, 06:12:59 pm
I do remember you being on though.
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Okay, so new content for anyone from the past.
Divine knights, new gen, raid content. Generally a pretty nice "casual" raid model that doesn't take hours nor a long dungeon beforehand. Positioning matters, due to the low mobility of the raid boss along with it's large HP amount, long range stuff and demigod has it's uses, demigod in particular. Teamwork is required! The beasty will generally grab you/lock you up/do all sorts of stuff that requires outside influence to solve. Nothing too crazy right now (hit the locked up dude! Hit the ghost!) but it works.
New skills are a group defense buff, a slow + DoT, and a ranged-ish skill that does an absolutely ridiculous amount of damage. All of them have extra effects against apostles (raid bosses, but not dragons/iria field bosses). There are also like fifteen passive skills that operate on a "skill tree" model (you can reset them at any time), that gives each thing special effects, with points gained from a seperate crusader level. So if you have no healer people might want to grab the shield of trust passive that heals people, to lessen potion consumption, but if you do you're missing out on other stuff. Etc.
New gen is... reasonable. There's one quest in the middle of the gen that absolutely wrecked me, and in my opinion was poorly done (Contextual raid with AI companions! Also you're missing skills.), but once I got past that it was pretty okay.
A patch after that added a bunch of QoL changes, it's very nice, but nothing exciting. And while we're here, ninja has a lot of AoE, and an AoE root. Meant to be a starter skillset so it doesn't really compete with guns/puppets, but it has it's uses. And is absolutely magnificent if you intended to solo.
Revamp info later!
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2015, 12:58:46 am
First one, melee + blacksmithing update. (http://mabination.com/threads/83318-Mabinogi-KR-Renovation-Close-Combat-Updates-%28Consolidated-and-Organized%29)
Short version is a smattering of melee buffs including adding some AoE similar to smash to some skills, some small giant buffs to stomp and trans, and Smash adds a status effect depending on your weapon type. You can now move normally during counterattack and defense, to boot.
Three new skills, Rage impact, which increases any melee damage to enemies effected by it (on top of using a ridiuclous amount of stamina), we're not 100% sure on it, it's an odd skill. Bash, which is basically the skill equivelent of normal attacks, it does increased damage the more times you consecutively hit a monster with it and probably uses more stamina then normals. And dual weapon mastery which is exactly what it sounds like.
New enchants, nobody cares.
New weapons! I reccomend if you look at any thing in that link, you look at the weapons. They look AMAZING and humans finally have their long awaited two handed hammers and axes, on top of some more one hander blunt/axe options. All blacksmith only, and they're looking to be top tier ish. Good news for blacksmiths! I'm working on the skill right now with the bountiful iron supply of harukaori, and help from belereth. If you would like to contribute to the war effort, please let me know. The basic 2 handers should be easy enough, we'll see how getting to rank 5 for the higher end stuff goes. New mats are in dungeons (!!) and shadow missions.
Magic update! Much smaller amount of changes as mages weren't in that bad a place to begin with. (http://mabination.com/threads/83744-Mabinogi-KR-Renovation-Magic-Update-%28Consolidated-and-Organized%29)
Mostly makes pages less of a pain in the ass in a variety of ways, some new weapons in magic craft.
Bolts now have special effects, ice bolts restore mana when they hit, Lightning bolts do extra damage at high bolt counts (they still jump to other monsters), up to 30% if you're using lightning bolt grandmaster titles.
Variety of int and adv magic buffs making them more usable, mostly load and cooldown time reductions.
New skills, lightning rod, lightning advanced magic. Charge your laser, so to speak, for a giant kamehameha of sorts.
Mana recovery, which is a sort've snap mana recovery skill, restores up to 50% max mana I think?
New enchants nobody cares
New staffs/wands, a tri bolt wand which lets you chain cast all three bolts, guardian staff which lets you party heal but also use adv magic, and hermit staff which is just a huge Matk boost.
No news on a ranged combat update, but they would be literal gibbering idiots if they didn't. It will happen, mark my words.
Some good stuff coming! It won't break the tyranny of lances/puppets, but it makes people that don't want to use optimal weapons have a lot easier time, which is always good by me.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 26, 2015, 02:04:34 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2015, 02:26:20 am
I admit I may be wrong, but there is more to the revamp for sure, it'll be coming out in patches. So melee patch is first, magic after that, then the long awaited lance buff patch (I kid)
I guess they might not? But I've heard very tenuous rumblings that they're switching ranged to a charge based system, so arrows will never miss, but you do more damage the longer you "aim". These are super unconfirmed however, and should not be taken as a representation of anything.
All we can do is hope.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 26, 2015, 11:56:42 am
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2015, 06:38:26 pm
Oh, and something I forgot to mention in the revamp update post, elves will officially be able to use heavy armor and two handers, at least the new ones, maybe all of them. Maybe dual wield? People seemed unsure on that. Minor consolation buffs, but buffs nontheless. And dual wielding would actually be really nice with the final hit buffs.
And for anyone new looking at this thread, if you're wondering if you can make a living off crafting skills, I just made 250k off a relatively low level carpentry skill. It's not fast money, and 250k isn't really a lot in the scale of buying new gear, but you can definitely support your dungeon runs and repair with money from crafting skills if that's your bag.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 26, 2015, 07:23:23 pm
Has blacksmith been tweaked any? Is there still the awful minigam?
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2015, 08:54:02 pm
There were also some extra crafts that came with the talent update ages ago, allowing you to make the various "set bonus" sets (colin, birnam, thames, etc) if you're a smith, along with demonic weapons/gear, but they obviously require higher ranks, demonic gear requiring a master rank in the talent, IE all the smithing skills, not just blacksmithing.
Ore (the 2x2 ones, not ore frags) stacks higher, there's a mining skill which helps to improve vanilla mining yield, all this means that full bangor runs are now possible with a couple of picks, and it helps space out the entire thing, but all in all it's still a pretty steep grind. I believe the current director has stated he wants to improve blacksmithing, but for all we know that could just be the celtic weapons adding extra value to it for however long.
As a sort've lateral point however, adventurer seals can be used to buy skill training seals on sunday, allowing you to skip parts of the grind.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on January 31, 2015, 03:52:19 am
Post by: alexwazer on February 01, 2015, 01:36:36 am
And yeah, ranged need some love... and more weapons. As we all know that more weapons = more love, right? That "charge based system" would go a long way into making archery much better. As for blacksmithing, if they could just make old manuals that were available in the old gachas obtainable in-game, that would make ranking the skill somewhat meaningful/doable at least.
Post by: Seriyu on February 02, 2015, 01:56:13 am
It'd be a way to fill out the dungeon end chest drop tables too.
(Incidentally I am once more incredibly inconsistant and doing other things now. I swear I'll stop making promises I can't keep. I'll be staying on top of update news, and maybe pop in now and again, however!)
Post by: Malt_Hitman on February 08, 2015, 01:42:43 pm
I’m also planning on working toward rank 1 rain casting in the hopes of easier MA runs. If I can manage that I might be able to carry anyone over 1k total levels though parts of MA to get extra AP if anyone is interested in that.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on February 15, 2015, 08:11:52 pm
Couple Breaker Event: Wiki (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Couple_Breaker_Event)
You can either accept a Fed Ex quest and deliver an item to an NPC in Tir to get one reward box or break 5 statues while wearing a balloon accessory. If you break the statues by throwing rocks it takes about 10 throws per statue. From what it seems just one hit will count for a kill so you can team up with others to break statues faster. That may or may not affect your number of rewards but it seems random. Rewards drop at your feet and seem to be a random amount from 2 to 10. Potions (including timed 2x training potions and weakness potions), gems, red and blue ups, a special title coupon, and a statue chair item are among the rewards being given out.
Homestead Candy Bonanza: Wiki (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Homestead_Candy_Bonanza_Event_(2015))
Get a candy tree seed from Caravan Joe near Walter in Dunburton. Plant it on your homestead, harvest it, open the candy jars for various goodies. If you dye your tree in a day you can complete the quest and get a coupon. 25 coupons should get you a whistle for a penguin pet. There are also fireworks, a dye set, and a heart sword for fewer coupons. The candy jars also provide homestead seeds, some crafting materials, special homestead items like dry and steam ovens, cooking ovens, log fences, and those coveted cherry blossom trees. They also occasionally give out gold and timed dye amps, both regular and metal versions.
Upgrading your tree to the second level is trivial as you just need the basic tree, 5 bottled waters, and 10 homestead stones, but a level 5 homestead. The third level needs more stones, two special drops from the candy jars (Bonanza Heart Lollipops), and a level 10 homestead. Anyone doing the event can message or note me. I should have enough gold that I can buy those from shops if you need them and can’t afford them. Homestead stones can also be fished up if you need to improve your homestead and Caravan Joe sells 5 nails at 1300 gold if you need them to do the daily Nails for Stones quest.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on March 18, 2015, 01:49:00 am
There are also some special events and activities if you’re feeling social. You can pickup a couple of titles, play some minigames like back in Doki, and grind monsters to collect pages for a possible 9x6 bag.
I also have 26 unrestricted dungeon passes if anyone would be up for any dungeon runs.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on March 18, 2015, 07:39:28 am
:'(
Post by: alexwazer on April 24, 2015, 03:47:13 pm
Also, some event starting to go along with the revamp. The Close Combat Renovation Celebration! (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00ISG) which includes giveaways and bonus proficiency, 100% repair, bonus exp from monsters and stuff.
Again, I've been juggling with the idea of getting back into Mabi lately. I might do so during the coming summer... probably will in fact. I would most likely start a whole new character however, because I'm masochistic like that and always enjoy starting fresh. Really the only reason I haven't done so yet is because I can't decide what skills I would like to work on first... I like close combat, archery, but they lack in damage compared to others. Alchemy is good and I kinda enjoy it, but it is a bit too spammy and also requires to complete like 12 Gen to unlock all skills, which sucks. Could take a look at ninja skills, but I doubt they work that well on their own. The rest, I don't enjoy much, no matter how powerful it is.
Post by: alexwazer on April 25, 2015, 02:49:22 pm
I managed to figure out login details for an old account, so I am not quite starting from scratch, but close enough - total level of 56 when I got back on :P. The main advantage of using that account instead of a new one is that I already have access to G9/G13 without having completed G1-3 since it was created back when you didn't have to do Gens in order and when doing G2 required ideals crap to be done. Pretty sure that was the last time I used this character too.
The character name is Zelthan, if anyone is still playing every now and then, drop a friend request.
Post by: alexwazer on May 03, 2015, 11:02:10 am
Dual Wield Mastery: It works like other masteries and stack with combat and weapon specific skills. It adds damage and, as you get higher in skill, balance, critical, auto-defense and armor pierce. It is a bit costly in AP for what it gives, so it should probably be left for later when most combat skills are already ranked. It is probably better than sword/axe/blunt's respective skills however.
Bash: This is the main addition for close combat. It is a powerful highly spammable skill. Sadly, it is also a very boring skill to use. It could be considered as a bastard child of normal attack and smash. You can chain up bashes for increased damage per hit, up to the fifth hit, and remains at its maximum damage after. It doesn't affect the knockdown gauge much, so for any enemy without heavy stander or AHS, you can easily chain the skill until the poor thing dies. Bash also cause a longer stun than normal, so it might be used in combination with blaze, but I haven't tried it. It requires either a sword, axe or blunt weapon to be used.
Rage impact: This skill allows you to instantly release a shockwave arounds you, similar to the hidden shockwave skill, that stuns everything in a short radius and gives them a debuff that will increase the damage taken from the next melee attack (up to 50% extra damage at rank 1). It doesn't affect knockdown gauge at all, unlike the previously mentioned hidden skill, and doesn't provoke aggro. The skill does a bit of damage, but not enough to even consider. I can't say much about it's usefulness since I haven't used it much, partly due to its high stamina cost and relatively long cooldown at low rank.
One change worth mentioning besides the new skills is Final Hit. It has been improved considerably with higher damage, ability to use items while the skill is active, increased attack speed and the skill no longer cancels if you are knocked back/down. With the addition of dual wield mastery, this makes Final Hit a top class skill for any melee character. Oh, and weapons no longer lose durability when used for FH, making it reasonable to create a highly specialized, enchanted and upgraded sets of weapons for the specific purpose... and not just daggers thanks to the increased attack speed.
On a personal note, I've been enjoying my time back in Mabinogi. It's insane how having access to free skill resets changes the way I've been playing the game. Close combat not the best choice for fighting unknown men? No problem, reset your skill and train water cannon, sand burst and chain cylinder instead of smash or defense. I have really been enjoying the feeling that comes from playing a low level character, that can die quickly if you make a mistake or that barely have the stamina to clear all waves in a room. I haven't used the daily rebirths so that I can enjoy that a bit longer. My character is still under 300 total level, but already finished G1, G2, G13, Saga S1 and reached G9 finale and Saga S2 EP5 (I died repeatedly to Dian before giving up).
Post by: Bel on May 07, 2015, 02:21:44 pm
Please come say hi some afternoon!! come back, Haru, Ibid and
Post by: Skyrunner on May 15, 2015, 08:13:59 am
What I need is the locale files from the Mabinogi client. To get to it, though, you need to use this thing (http://skycoders.no-ip.org:60001/getfile?directory=/home/skyrunner/webserver/files/MabiPacker-1.3.1-2.zip&filename=MabiPacker-1.3.1-2.zip). It's a "unpacker program" that looks at the .pack file you have and decompresses it. Use MabiUnpacker.exe, unless it doesn't work in which case try MabiUnpacker2.exe. The decompressed files are nearly 7GB in size.
The files I need are in data/local!
The reason I'm asking others is because Nexon continues its no Korean ip policy, and this applies to simply downloads as well as actually playing the game. The Korean version I did download has korean locale files, which are in korean :(
Post by: alexwazer on May 16, 2015, 06:33:36 pm
In other news, Nexon has announced the Magic Renovation Celebration (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00IWL), starting May 20th. There is not much more information about the renovation itself besides that it will include new skills and make changes to some of the existing ones. The Mabinogi Renovation: Magic Preview! (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1424705-Mabinogi-Renovation-Magic-Preview!%26nxid%3D10) thread gives bit more details and is accompanied by a few images. The celebration event itself is mostly the usual stuff, some items thrown at you for logging it on specific days, double training, double skill training and 100% repairs. I am a bit baffled by the decision to go for magic renovation next when magic already got buffed significantly with the Merlin update very recently, while some skills *coughs*Archery*coughs* have been lacking for so long, but ranged will have it's turn eventually.
I've been playing on and off at seemingly random times lately. I've been trying to take advantage of free skill resets to train as much skills early on to avoid any major CP issue later. I also gave ninja skills a try, but I can't quite make up my mind about them yet. There's some interesting skills in there, but I am not a fan of weapons with little to no stunning capabilities.
Post by: alexwazer on May 21, 2015, 12:03:55 am
2 new skills:
- Lightning Rod (advanced magic) is a charged beam like attack. Relatively easy quest to obtain. Training doesn't seem too terrible compared to some other skills.
- Inspiration is channeled to allow user to recover MP. The MP recovered is based on your total MP and ranges from 20% at rF to 50% at r1. Only rank E meditation is required to obtain the skill.
Skills changes:
- Most bolts and intermediate magic have been changed to give them added effects or to make them stronger.
- Fusion bolt is stronger as well
- Many skills have shorter cooldown and/or faster loading
Skill acquisition:
- Int magic are now somewhat easier to obtain. Exploration pages are now available from the seal merchant, fireball pages no longer expire and Thunder/Ice spear pages can be obtained from strange books.
- The first few ranks of meditation no longer requires access to Aeira/Stewart special shops.
Full patch notes available on the wiki (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Patches#Renovation).
There is also a new event going on starting May 20th: Wolf in Sheep's Clothing (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00IWg). A giant sheep wolf spawns around Dunbarton every 2 hours. Taking part in a battle to defeat it rewards you with 5 AP, some experience, gold and a Magic Supply Box which may contain a variety of goodies for mages and mages-wannabes (training seals, potions, clothing, etc.) The quest can be repeated once a day.
Finally, on a personal note, I have completed G10 yesterday and thus learned rain casting and demi-god. I rebirthed to train rain casting, which is one of the few skills I wanted to rank up fully before I lost the possibility to reset AP. The only other thing I want to do before reaching total level 1000 is to unlock any of the odd skills that require specific ranks in other skills (if those other skills aren't useful to me), like flame burst which requires wind blast or fantastic chorus which requires both playing instrument and song at rank 5. Basically any skill I might be interested in that have requirements in which I have no interest.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 26, 2015, 05:38:19 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 26, 2015, 08:11:17 pm
alban training center is out now too, along with archery revamp (don't get too excited, sorry!)
archery revamp mostly adds urgent shot (hyper fast shot aiming if you miss once), and now 100% aim rate ensures a hit, those were the big ones. Also spider shot ammo can now be bought. There's some other stuff, but that's the big stuff. (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Patches#Renovation) Doesn't really deal with the main issue that archery needs a lot of space to work.
LUCKILY ALBAN TRAINING CENTER USES RANDOM MAPS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE LARGE so archery works pretty well in there for once, as it can use it's range to it's benefit. Not in all rooms. Totally have a backup for mid/short range, but it can work in some rooms. Also it can spawn mobs of advanced heavy stander mobs, so that's HORRID and you basically need int magic to beat them, but archery got a break for once.
More on training center itself, you put in marbles which increase certain parameters, making it easier or harder, and decrease or increase the reward, respectively. It's sort've a return to dungeon style stuff, with less of the key running and more of the monster fighting. Monsters are randomized, you can run it three times a day, rewards are pretty good, even if they're indirectly choking blacksmiths by offering celtic gear as prizes in some specialty rooms. They're rare, at least.
And finally celtic items for making celtic gear are found in hard shadow missions, hard raids, and hard mode advanced dungeons. They're sprinkled around in specific areas, and are not hyper rare, but you don't get one with every completion or anything.
A general recap on stuff!
Post by: alexwazer on July 27, 2015, 10:06:22 pm
I have been logging about once a week for the past 2-3 months, but without having much motivation to actually play. This Alban training center thingy however does sounds really interesting. I will try to hop into the game a bit more frequently. It will be easier to convince myself now that I have some extra AP allowing me to rank whatever skill I am using instead of saving for some other skill I want to rank up, but cannot be arsed to actually train.
I also got 5 "Classic character cards", but I didn't see anything about that on the update notes. Now I kind of feel like I am obliged to create more characters to complete saga season 1 for more free pets. Kind of.
Post by: Girlinhat on July 27, 2015, 10:30:30 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2015, 02:17:39 am
Post by: Girlinhat on July 28, 2015, 09:48:43 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 28, 2015, 03:15:45 pm
Post by: alexwazer on July 28, 2015, 10:28:59 pm
And I finally got support shot to rank 1 earlier today. Sadly, The Sniper title now also requires rank 1 emergency shot. No title for me :(
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 29, 2015, 05:49:38 am
Haven't had inventory troubles since I started playing.
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 10, 2015, 05:54:30 pm
Currently there's a 2x AP event running until Oct. 12th and a 2x Life Skills event running until Oct. 20th. The life skill event includes Hillwen and Shyllien skills as well. There's also a scheduled 100% repair event that should run Oct. 16th to Oct. 18.
Post by: FireCrazy on October 13, 2015, 07:36:01 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Malt_Hitman on October 22, 2015, 07:12:27 pm
The Cursed Labrynth (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Ikm):
Same as the last two years with updated rewards.
New Rock/Paper/Scissors event: (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Ikj)
Win by losing. Collect titles. If you get to 200 “losses” you have the choice of a Halloween themed swing chair or a pumpkin seal pet.
Attendence Event: (http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00Iki)
Some items of note include a 2x Life Skill potion, a 2x All Skills potion, around 140 AP, and a penguin pet for all 28 days.
Post by: LordBucket on January 29, 2016, 02:25:52 am
I'm sorry...I wanted to like this, I tried to like this...but the game tries very hard to make you not like. The interface is HORRIBLE. Text scrollbars sized so that only half a sentence is visible and 80% of the text requires scrolling. Popup notices that pop up on top of other popups, gaudy menu borders that come and go...it's terrible.
The input is almost as bad. No camerea auto-follow? I couldn't find one. No option to instantly display the terribly ...s..............l.............o.........w............. ...t...e...x...t... ....s...c...r...o...l...l...i...n...g.......? Couldn't find one. 1990s-era nintendo-style map design elements? Instead of walking up to a shop and interacting with a shopkeeper, or even smoothly transitioning from one area to another, you have to let go of the mouse button you've been holding down to move, and then click again on the exact couple dozen pixels to tell the game you want to go into the area your'e running into, only to then look at a loading screen for a tiny little room with nothing in it except one guy. So you then run up and talk to him, only to once again deal with that ...s...l..o..w... ...t...e...x...t... scrolling which you then frantically spam through lengthy descriptions of how effeminate the shopkeeper is before you then have to click a button to actually buy anything from him.
Even getting the game to run was a chore. After needing to create a third party account that requires setting up two different passwords to log in, the game insisted on crashing, requiring me to go chasing down on google how to get the game to run. Which, to be fair was very easy to find because people have been having the exact same problem for three years and it still hasn't been fixed. And after finally getting it to run, a weirdly long load time and painfully jumpy graphics despite being uglier and more pixelated than some games I played back in the 90s.
Quest givers that require you to manually click on them a second time after completing a quest in order to start the next quest. A "warp to a continent quest" that didn't bother to tell which which continent to warp to, and apparently only worked if you went through a specific one of the two interface methods to activate the warp. Help texts containing no-longer-correct information very obviously dating from previous versions of the game. The combat tutorial bugged out on me and I had to give it up because it kept telling me to use whirlwind, and every time I used whirlwind it insisted that no, that wasn't correct.
Problem after problem and nuisance after agony. I'm sorry, but wow, this game really wants me to not play it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 29, 2016, 02:29:49 am
There are other underlying problems with critical game systems, but I'll spare you since you've probably seen enough. I've pretty much moved on myself since DFO came back; barring some kind of huge revamp update, that'll likely be the end of my seriously playing this. Sorry.
Post by: Skyrunner on January 29, 2016, 02:55:28 am
I hoped Mabinogi 2 would be a better version of this game's concepts, but it seems like it's not only a Vendictus-clone but also vaporware.
Post by: Sonlirain on January 29, 2016, 09:51:55 am
Problem after problem and nuisance after agony. I'm sorry, but wow, this game really wants me to not play it.
Hah. Lucky you. I played it for quite a bit and one day they simply stopped accepting non american IPs.
A character i was building for months suddenly became completely unaccesible for me and the game won't even show on Steam.
Post by: Facekillz058 on February 13, 2016, 04:10:34 pm
That being said, Music has not been updated at all.
Which means getting Music Knowledge ranks SUCKS!
Got this all sorted out, so nevermind.
Post by: Skyrunner on February 13, 2016, 10:12:29 pm
Most of them remain the same way they were at game open.
Post by: Singularity125 on April 16, 2016, 01:53:51 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on August 09, 2016, 06:55:50 pm
I do wish they'd stop throwing dungeon spam at me, especially when I had to run through a 5 floor one because I find the dungeon system very boring.
Anyone else still around? I could use some friends.