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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3855 on: September 13, 2020, 03:54:10 pm »

The person who transferred the firearm is also covered by 948.60(3)(c). It's the next sentence:

"This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28."
Oh, lol, I didn't read that far. I assume this is the same problem the media are having.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3856 on: September 23, 2020, 05:49:38 pm »

So yeah. Taylor. Her murderer has been indicted... on three charges of reckless endangerment. Still has to go to court.

But. Yeah. Indicated on the possible harm that may have been inflicted on other people while killing someone. Not the actual killing. Just the other people.

Not going to be very surprised if another police station gets burnt down before this particular spat of shit is over, 'cause gods know the odds are piss the murdering cop actually gets convicted if the courts can't even muster the balls to indict for the actual killing.

E: Wait, no, they're not even charging the actual fucks that shot her, just a different one that was on the scene. Words fail, ha.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3857 on: September 23, 2020, 06:39:45 pm »

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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3858 on: September 24, 2020, 12:59:23 am »

Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron said that there's a witness claiming that the police did identify themselves before knocking down the door:
According to an arrest report, the officers had been granted a "no-knock" warrant, allowing them to enter the property without warning.

But Mr Cameron said on Wednesday the officers had not actually served such a warrant. The attorney general said the officers' statements that they identified themselves "are corroborated by an independent witness".

Since Breonna's boyfriend (Kenneth Walker) fired upon the officers first, the police can't be charged with murder for killing Breonna Taylor in the crossfire.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3859 on: September 24, 2020, 02:52:18 am »

And we already have two police officers shot.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3860 on: September 24, 2020, 04:54:57 am »

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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3861 on: September 24, 2020, 09:23:32 am »

"This lowest-level felony offence can come with a five-year sentence for each count. Mr Hankison was charged on three counts."

The state's first black attorney general, added: "If we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice. Mob justice is not justice. Justice sought by violence is not justice. It just becomes revenge."

"FBI was still investigating potential violations of federal law"

"Officials this month agreed to pay her family $12m (£9.3m) in a settlement."


So, a narcotics raid. They're fired on. They return fire.

Why is this racism?
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3862 on: September 24, 2020, 12:26:12 pm »

So, a narcotics raid. They're fired on. They return fire.

Why is this racism?

Armed no-knock warrants don't normally happen to white people. And, as the officers didn't announce themselves, they were fired on in self-defense.


And we already have two police officers shot.

By each other, as is the norm?
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3863 on: September 24, 2020, 12:28:47 pm »

Armed no-knock warrants don't normally happen to white people.
This is extremely false.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3864 on: September 24, 2020, 03:17:52 pm »

Armed no-knock warrants don't normally happen to white people. And, as the officers didn't announce themselves, they were fired on in self-defense.

Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron said that there's a witness claiming that the police did identify themselves before knocking down the door:
According to an arrest report, the officers had been granted a "no-knock" warrant, allowing them to enter the property without warning.

But Mr Cameron said on Wednesday the officers had not actually served such a warrant. The attorney general said the officers' statements that they identified themselves "are corroborated by an independent witness".

Since Breonna's boyfriend (Kenneth Walker) fired upon the officers first, the police can't be charged with murder for killing Breonna Taylor in the crossfire.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3865 on: September 24, 2020, 04:02:54 pm »

Well, if one accept the premise that black people are generally treated worse by American police than white people, one can easily see how this case fits that pattern of systemic racism.

However, regardless of whether or not one can pinpoint the racism of this instance, it is still a great example of disastrously bad policing.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3866 on: September 24, 2020, 06:25:09 pm »

Why is this racism?

Police entered a house with a warrant for another house at 1AM.
(Let's assume they announced themselves)
Walker wakes up to someone bashing his door down and fires. He shoots an officer.
Police fire 22 rounds in response.
Taylor dies (still in bed, naked.)
Walker is arrested.
Police search the house and find no drugs.

The injustice is that they entered a house without a proper warrant.
The other injustice is firing at someone in a bed, or just firing blindly.
The racism is when the news reported her as a suspect, rather than someone caught in the crossfire. The racism is in how the police respond to violence differently based on the color of your skin. The racism is that killing black folks doesn't get you fired.

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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3867 on: September 24, 2020, 07:46:36 pm »

Armed no-knock warrants don't normally happen to white people. And, as the officers didn't announce themselves, they were fired on in self-defense.

Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron said that there's a witness claiming that the police did identify themselves before knocking down the door:
According to an arrest report, the officers had been granted a "no-knock" warrant, allowing them to enter the property without warning.

But Mr Cameron said on Wednesday the officers had not actually served such a warrant. The attorney general said the officers' statements that they identified themselves "are corroborated by an independent witness".

Since Breonna's boyfriend (Kenneth Walker) fired upon the officers first, the police can't be charged with murder for killing Breonna Taylor in the crossfire.

So...

You have to consider a few things here.

Firstly, Kentucky. Their state senate has 38 members, 28 of which are Republican. State House has 100 members, 61 Republican.

Their national senators are Mitch McConnell, arch-conservative, and Rand Paul, libertarian conservative. Their elect 6 members to the US Congress, 5 of whom are Republican.

Their governor is democrat, but pretty much every other official is Republican, as you might imagine with a Republican dominated state legislature.

This includes the office of attorney general, an elected position.

So, with that out of the way, it's not unreasonable to expect a Republican elected official in a Republican state in a national election year in which the Republicans are hammering that law and order line to come out in favour of the police, even if they are proven to have done something wrong... which, given the city settled out of court in a wrongful death lawsuit, they most assuredly did.

Secondly, their neighbours say that the police did not announce themselves, so Walker was well within his rights to go wtf and fire, given that he is a registered firearm owner (which means he has no felony convictions) and he fired all of one time, wounding one of his attackers. They fired back, recklessly, considering, as delphonso pointed out, they fired upwards of 20 times.

I don't think they searched the house, though that's from the Beeb article Dwarfy posted that said they abandoned that idea after the shooting. Oh, they raided the apartment because it they were interested in Taylor's ex-boyfriend, who the authorities thought was receiving packages at the apartment, and Walker thought it was the ex raiding the house, which is why he fired his one shot.

This means they raided an apartment occupied by two people without criminal records, without announcing themselves, and killed one of the occupants who had the audacity to get freaked the fuck out by people breaking into his home at 1am.

Shit went wrong, but, paraphrasing LeBron James, at least her neighbour's walls are getting justice. Too bad about the lady that died though...
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3868 on: September 24, 2020, 08:00:41 pm »

It's also worth pointing out how abusive no-knock warrants are, whether we believe the AG or the neighbors in this case.  The idea that police could bust in my door at any time to physically detain me is horrifying.  I'm very sensitive about my personal space, and have spent a lot of time drunk.

I don't have to think about that very often though, because I am privileged to live in a nice area which isn't heavily policed.  As Maximum Spin might put it, everything is fine from where I'm sitting.

My actual criminality has little relation to that risk.  The police no-knock raid the wrong address with terrifying frequency.  Even if they didn't, I don't have to wake up in the middle of the night to the sound of my neighbors being carted off for nonviolent offenses.  That is a privilege I'm able to afford.

Skin color is also, based on the cold numbers, a factor.  But redlining, along with inherited poverty, created "bad" parts of town where this sort of thing is expected and excused by the general populace.  That's fucked up.
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Re: The Abusive Policing Thread: Beyond Brown, No Justice
« Reply #3869 on: September 25, 2020, 09:19:36 am »

Secondly, their neighbours say that the police did not announce themselves, so Walker was well within his rights to go wtf and fire

One witness said they did. It's likely nobody else heard it because they were fast asleep. Police can't prove Walker heard, so he's within his rights.

What law enforcement needs to do is stop busting down peoples' doors in the middle of the night (if they aren't presumed to be a danger to themselves or others.) It was wrong when the FBI did it to Roger Stone, and it was wrong when the police did it to Breonna Taylor.
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