Post by: Moghjubar on June 24, 2013, 03:46:24 pm
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1002143342/undertale
Undertale is kind of a twist on a traditional rpg in which you can talk your way out of just about everything. It has kind of a Mother vibe, and, well, you can check out the demo yourself here: http://www.undertale.com/
It has some kind of 'dodging attacks' mechanism as well, where you fly around a small box dodging stuff when enemies attack. Its fairly simplistic otherwise and seems to be more about the overall environment the game takes place in. You play a kid that has fallen down a hole into monster land and into an otherwise kill-or-be-killed environment where you can either fight your way around or talk and make friends.
At time of this post, its already been funded, I think on the first day? A pretty low funding goal though.
Post by: Levi on June 24, 2013, 03:51:15 pm
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Obligatory puzzles. Lots and lots of obligatory puzzles.
Awesome. I love the obligatory ones best. :D
Sounds kind of neat, although I'm not sure I like the art style.
Post by: Neonivek on June 24, 2013, 04:05:32 pm
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Post by: Aoi on June 24, 2013, 04:12:56 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 24, 2013, 04:14:33 pm
...I like how the (expanded) manual is a stretch goal. I've always kind of assumed that manuals were a given...
It is possible it means with a lot of fluff... Think of it like a oldschool Blizzard manual like the ones for Diablo or StarCraft.
Post by: freeformschooler on June 24, 2013, 05:04:51 pm
Post by: Moghjubar on June 25, 2013, 10:27:12 am
Post by: Mephisto on June 25, 2013, 11:15:59 am
Well, there went all the stretch goals so hes adding more. Looks like its going to blow away his expectations for crowdfunding.
There's no possible way (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doublefine/double-fine-adventure) this can come back to bite him in the ass later.
Post by: Neonivek on June 25, 2013, 05:14:54 pm
Post by: Cerol Lenslens on June 25, 2013, 09:12:46 pm
...I like how the (expanded) manual is a stretch goal. I've always kind of assumed that manuals were a given...
Having played the demo and read the original manual several times, there's probably a bit of a reason for this:
1) There is indeed a lot of fluff - characters described who then haunt the other pages and stuff like that. So the 'expanded' manual may just have more fluff and be more entertaining.
2) The game screws with the manual.
I only actually read the manual after playing through the first time, so there might be more little changes, but the game edits the manual. Check the last page and see if it corresponds to your ending. ;)
So, for said stretch goal, it is not inconceivable that what he's expanding is the interactivity between these two - something that actually requires a bit more coding in the actual game.
Post by: freeformschooler on June 25, 2013, 09:43:09 pm
I only actually read the manual after playing through the first time, so there might be more little changes, but the game edits the manual. Check the last page and see if it corresponds to your ending. ;)
Um...
I just compared my good ending manual and a fresh manual and they're exactly the same. A note from your friend: don't get too cocky.
Post by: Knirisk on June 25, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
I only actually read the manual after playing through the first time, so there might be more little changes, but the game edits the manual. Check the last page and see if it corresponds to your ending. ;)
Um...
I just compared my good ending manual and a fresh manual and they're exactly the same. A note from your friend: don't get too cocky.
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Post by: Moghjubar on June 25, 2013, 10:59:51 pm
Theres like 2 main endings, with 2 additional modifications... plus the main antagonist can apparently save as well and knows if you save scum to go back and get a good ending after getting a bad one.
Edit: ok, maybe more than 2 modifications
Post by: Moghjubar on July 05, 2013, 09:13:58 pm
Post by: Lectorog on July 16, 2013, 08:33:46 pm
The stretch goals are getting pretty silly. Comics at $45000, which very well may or may not be reached. The creator is surprisingly willing to devote extra time to this project, considering he estimates it'll take a year to finish the game.
Post by: quinnr on July 16, 2013, 11:37:27 pm
As for stretch goals, I think that it depends on the project. Like, for a pen-and-paper RPG earlier this year, there were stretch goals to translate more content if the money allowed, as well as get cool people to make some kind of homebrew stuff for the game. That was pretty neat. For video games, though, I don't know if it works as well...
Post by: Lectorog on July 17, 2013, 12:17:15 am
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Post by: Moghjubar on August 22, 2015, 05:58:41 pm
Post by: Moghjubar on September 16, 2015, 01:16:37 pm
Damn good game. (now to murder everyone because I can. Ha. Ha.)
Post by: BigD145 on September 20, 2015, 11:37:04 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 20, 2015, 04:45:35 pm
From what I've HEARD, however, they're both great. Amazing soundtrack.
Post by: Rex_Nex on September 21, 2015, 03:16:42 pm
...I guess furries can make good games.
Post by: BigD145 on September 21, 2015, 03:36:34 pm
...I guess furries can make good games.
Armello? Dust Elysian Tail?
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Post by: Rex_Nex on September 21, 2015, 03:44:14 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 21, 2015, 09:29:05 pm
The only other game like that was Soul Nomad where the "Demon Mode" had 10 times the better writing and made you wonder where the heck the writing was when you played the game through the first run.
Though... the "love everyone" side is a lot more funny.
Post by: quinnr on September 22, 2015, 01:01:40 am
Spoiler: Question about Toriel - Do not open if you haven't played (click to show/hide)
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on September 22, 2015, 01:57:27 am
I wasn't expecting to like this $10 much, but I do and I'm only done with the prologue :(Spoiler: Question about Toriel - Do not open if you haven't played (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Rex_Nex on September 22, 2015, 10:59:23 am
Yay vagueness.
Post by: quinnr on September 22, 2015, 02:35:01 pm
Best random sign in any game.
Post by: Putnam on September 22, 2015, 08:39:57 pm
It is weird but this is probably one of the few games where the "kill everyone" side is probably more interesting in my opinion.
The only other game like that was Soul Nomad where the "Demon Mode" had 10 times the better writing and made you wonder where the heck the writing was when you played the game through the first run.
Though... the "love everyone" side is a lot more funny.
I'm pretty sure the tone shift is intentional.
Post by: quinnr on September 22, 2015, 09:16:39 pm
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The whole game is giving me a very Cave Story-esque vibe. Especially the final boss..
Spoiler: Context, Minor Undertale spoilers (click to show/hide)
EDIT: WTF that ending wtf
EDIT2: WTF.
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Post by: Putnam on September 22, 2015, 09:58:19 pm
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Post by: quinnr on September 22, 2015, 10:06:26 pm
I need time to recover before I go through as a genocidal maniac.
Also, the game takes only about 6 hours to play, if you aren't terrible at videogames ;)
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Post by: Putnam on September 22, 2015, 11:39:07 pm
I need time to recover before I go through as a genocidal maniac.
Shit, man, me too. It's the strangest thing.
Or not. It's definitely intentional.
EDIT: Oh, related: since I mentioned that I cried but didn't mention what exactly triggered it, here's the part:
Post by: Egan_BW on September 23, 2015, 08:34:03 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 12:16:01 am
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Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 24, 2015, 12:39:33 am
i understand you get different endings depending on if you don't kill anything or kill everything or do a mix of both but apparently the endings intertwine and weave and you have to play through the game like 4 times (which im not opposed to) but apparantly savescumming for the endings causes stuff to happen if you like reload your save or something and like ugh
someone explain
Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 12:43:02 am
First ending: didn't kill anything, rushed through the game.
Second: actually still the first ending's save, just backtracked to befriend everyone and do some stuff in a place.
Third: haven't done it yet, don't quite have the heart to I think. But I want to have a bad time so bad I love bullet hell so much.
...Wait, there is something like a fourth, isn't there? Hmm. I guess you do need three.
But not four.
Post by: Vgray on September 24, 2015, 12:59:42 am
Post by: quinnr on September 24, 2015, 02:27:43 am
Doesn't true pacifist require two runs?
Nope. Once you finish normal pacifist
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There are some changes depending what order you do things, as characters can kinda remember how you acted in previous lives or something like that...hard to go into without spoiling.
Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 10:32:54 am
you're just told EVERYTHING you need to do to get true pacifist, which depends on what you failed to do in the first place
Post by: Vgray on September 24, 2015, 01:10:04 pm
Oh. I somehow got the impression a reset was required.Doesn't true pacifist require two runs?
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There are some changes depending what order you do things, as characters can kinda remember how you acted in previous lives or something like that...hard to go into without spoiling.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 24, 2015, 01:22:35 pm
help meee
Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 01:31:00 pm
that's about it
his mittenhand fire attack is pretty easily dodged by going parallel to the fireline once they start moving
i honestly don't remember any of his other attacks
Post by: quinnr on September 24, 2015, 01:44:48 pm
asgore is so toughTalk three times to reduce his attack and defense.
help meee
For the circles flying in towards the center: make sure to stay close to the center, don't move towards the outside at all.
For mitten hands: move as close to edges as possible, keep going in circles. Probs the easiest attack.
Scythe is self explanatory.
The one with exclamation marks, you have to alternate which side you go on to avoid the death in the center.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment. I think you can also use
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Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 24, 2015, 01:47:58 pm
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Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 01:57:12 pm
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Post by: Nirur Torir on September 24, 2015, 02:46:41 pm
Spoiler: (minor)Asgore battle (click to show/hide)
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Post by: quinnr on September 24, 2015, 02:56:35 pm
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Post by: Qmarx on September 24, 2015, 03:32:58 pm
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I'm always willing to help a friend out. :)
Post by: Putnam on September 24, 2015, 03:55:20 pm
uh
no you're not talking about the same thing
Post by: Qmarx on September 24, 2015, 04:27:19 pm
I wasn't expecting to like this $10 much, but I do and I'm only done with the prologue :(Spoiler: Question about Toriel - Do not open if you haven't played (click to show/hide)
In the room with the artifact call her.
Post by: Moghjubar on September 24, 2015, 10:36:18 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 24, 2015, 11:50:59 pm
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Post by: umiman on September 25, 2015, 02:04:43 am
Post by: Rex_Nex on September 25, 2015, 02:47:01 am
Post by: Catastrophic lolcats on September 25, 2015, 03:11:39 am
This game is incredible. Everyone should play it. The end.]: )
Post by: Putnam on September 25, 2015, 11:45:47 am
“The puzzles aren't particularly impressive.”
10/10 – Destructoid (http://www.destructoid.com/review-undertale-312265.phtml)
“I have a couple of issues with the user interface.”
10/10 – PCInvasion (https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=http://www.pcinvasion.com/undertale-review)
“If there’s a criticism to be had, it’s that sometimes Toby Fox doesn’t know when to let a joke go.”
10/10 – The Jimquisition (https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=http://www.thejimquisition.com/2015/09/undertale-review-a-determined-effort/)
Post by: umiman on September 25, 2015, 01:01:52 pm
1. I don't normally like to play something other than a human (or dwarf) male. I dislike being an elf, or a girl, or a little teeny baby girl. It's not because of racism or sexism or what have you but mostly because I don't connect with them at all. So I approached this game with a lot of hesitation when I saw you were a little girl and you would end up dating other characters. Oh ho... I was so wrong. This game is so good.
2. Why is the music so bleeding good?! How did one guy even do all this?! Listen to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDFUcjWARU)!!!! This game is so good.
3. Why are the characters so loveable!? Who is this Tobyfox dude? Why is he so talented?! How can he write, direct, and make music so well? I seriously love every single character, even those who I thought were just standard boring tropes like a certain skeleton. All all these hilarious events that the game has to help you connect to each character. They're so good. This game. Is. So. Good.
4. Why are all the enemies so adorable?! They're so nice! I love them all! I'm going to enjoy killing them all the next round through too! They all have personalities and features and they all interact with each other and the battles are so unique and incredible. This game is... so good.
5. The boss fights. Holy hell. The boss fights. It just keeps breaking what you're expecting to happen. There's really no holds barred whatsoever. Prepare to suspend your conventions because this game will break them. I frigging loved it when at one point you literally jump outside the screen to survive, except the screen stretches to accommodate you. Did I mention this game is so good? Because it's so good.
6. Doges. Doges. So many doges. And Temmie. Hoi! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlyF43Te6U) How can one game be so good? Because the game is so good.
7. I seriously love how the game both knows it is a game and goes by that, but also wants you to operate in the game using common sense instead of typical game logic. So you are constantly stuck between trying to figure out if you should approach a situation like it's a game or if you were making that decision for real. It keeps you on your feet and makes the choices and actions real because you're no longer going through the motions like any standard RPG. It's so good. This game is so good.
8. The game constantly reacts to everything you do, in every way and in all manner of creative styles. It's glorious. The game will break everything from the fourth wall to your brain as it validates your actions, both in the game and when you think you can outsmart it. Trust me on this. Also don't trust the save system heh. It's all very organic and really pulls you into the experience as you make the playthrough unique to yourself. It couldn't be gooder if it tried because this game is so good.
9. The graphics suck. 1/10. But the artstyle is 13/10. Cause the game is so good. Also apparently it was made in one of those game maker things? Even gooder still.
10. This game is so good. I don't say this lightly, but this might be my favorite RPG of all time. It could arguably be my favorite game of all time. Except it can't because that title belongs to Dwarf Fortress. So it's one of my favorite games of all time. Do you know why?
tl;dr
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Post by: BigD145 on September 25, 2015, 01:58:21 pm
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/f420426fc8d7ca92b730b75183f68613/tumblr_n7xtqqDJvY1roizhzo1_r1_500.gif)
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2015, 03:43:22 pm
Post by: umiman on September 25, 2015, 04:07:31 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 25, 2015, 04:09:27 pm
-snip-
1. Huh. I always assumed the player was female, too. It's sorta vague though. I'm pretty sure it's intentionally vague.
2. Also did lots of music for Homestuck. By lots of music I mean about half the music I have on my hard drive is either made by him or remixes of his work.
In fact, I kept trying to go through Dogsong in my head, but it ended up segueing into another song. I tried to remember the other song before remembering, oh, another Toby Fox song.
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3. just a guy who makes music for Homestuck and earthbound romhacks and... the best RPG released on steam apparently??? (http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=#sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=122&page=1)
I actually liked his music but had some WEIRD subconscious dislike of the guy somewhere in my mind... not sure where that came from, Undertale utterly ruined it for me, I cannot dislike anyone who could write these characters
4. *plane noises*
5. I died 11 times, all of which were against bosses, and all of which were due to the game messing with me unexpectedly.
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6. *car vrooming*
7. Yeah, it's great how everything seems to follow the rules... except specifically when they break.
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8. I did some things differently from most people, so I'm constantly having to correct them on stuff because a lot of people who give instructions give them as if it were them playing, which leads to a different playthrough than others. It's beautiful.
Post by: Empty on September 25, 2015, 04:27:12 pm
I haven't seen that in the game. Is that just a teaser? :P
Post by: Putnam on September 25, 2015, 04:53:03 pm
(actual disclaimer at the bottom)
EDIT: Giant Bomb gave it 5/5
...i think that means it has absolutely perfect critic reviews across the board now
EDIT: Just decided to play through Hard Mode
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EDIT 2: A good chunk of the way through a genocide run now
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Post by: umiman on September 25, 2015, 11:54:52 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 26, 2015, 12:43:11 am
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Post by: Nirur Torir on September 26, 2015, 08:52:44 am
5. I died 11 times, all of which were against bosses, and all of which were due to the game messing with me unexpectedly.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Asgore fight (click to show/hide)
Post by: Moghjubar on September 26, 2015, 10:27:38 am
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Post by: Witty on September 26, 2015, 11:04:23 am
I have nothing else to add really, definitely get it if you're on the fence (as if this thread wasn't proof of that enough)
Post by: Sergarr on September 26, 2015, 12:43:20 pm
Post by: TempAcc on September 26, 2015, 03:02:39 pm
I'll just watch no mercy runs on youtube I guess.
Also, there are a few interesting things hidden in the game that you can get by editing certain game's files.
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Post by: Putnam on September 26, 2015, 04:37:19 pm
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Post by: Qmarx on September 26, 2015, 05:21:30 pm
I know. That's exactly how I felt.Spoiler: Full Genocide spoilers (click to show/hide)
Go ahead, use the savegame I posted.
Post by: Rex_Nex on September 26, 2015, 05:29:55 pm
- The random encounters get boring and tedious after the first or second encounter with said creature. (Luckily there's only a handful of times where you have to fight the same creatures more than twice, and you can usually run away anyway)
- Bullet hell style combat isn't for everyone. (although the bosses are usually fun, and very few opponents are very difficult)
- Sometimes the terrain art style looked bad to me. I get it's going for that NES style, and usually it looks fine, but there are a few zones that are legit ugly.
- The game is a little short for me.
- I probably would of been frustrated in a handful of situations if I didn't have someone playing along with me. For example, the event where you need to memorize piano notes, or when you don't know whether "mercy" is an option for a couple bosses.
Post by: Putnam on September 26, 2015, 05:50:02 pm
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For example, the event where you need to memorize piano notes
That's totally optional, though. I technically did it in my current run, but I haven't actually utilized the thing you get from it.
Also, the damn song can't get out of my head, so I don't have to memorize anymore.
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EDIT: Okay, replayed it!
Playtimes so far:
1. Pacifist: 8 hours
2. Genocide: didn't beat, but about 3 hours to get to the point where I quit. It was about an hour until I actually quit. It'd probably be two or three more before I went on. I didn't really want to do that anyway.
3. Pacifist run Deux: 4.5 hours. Cut 3.5 hours off by basically knowing everything already I think.
Post by: quinnr on September 27, 2015, 12:56:31 am
If anyone else is having trouble, I highly recommend equipping both the Torn Notebook and Goggles so that you can get through the spears easier.
The moment when the "!" for encounters turns to a smiley face was SO CREEPY.
Post by: Vgray on September 27, 2015, 01:17:22 am
Post by: quinnr on September 27, 2015, 01:22:33 am
Luckily for monsterkind, I'm terrible at dodging Undynes spears.Me too. Luckily once you fail that fight enough times you know the Green Heart shield patterns by heart...once you can do those almost perfectly it's a lot easier to win while getting bashed by a few spears.
Post by: umiman on September 27, 2015, 01:40:44 am
2. Genocide: didn't beat, but about 3 hours to get to the point where I quit. It was about an hour until I actually quit. It'd probably be two or three more before I went on. I didn't really want to do that anyway.I saw a video of someone doing that true final boss battle and noped out of there.
Post by: Putnam on September 27, 2015, 01:56:15 am
managed to get fairly far this time
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Post by: MC Dirty on September 27, 2015, 05:34:20 am
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Post by: Trapezohedron on September 27, 2015, 05:51:11 am
if you know what i mean
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Post by: umiman on September 28, 2015, 02:41:49 am
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of all things. But genocide is really messed up.
Post by: Sonlirain on September 28, 2015, 06:10:47 pm
Youtube comments under footage of the hero fightig him are on fire "because furries".
OH WELL.
If you end up fighting a dagon waving his butt at you you know who to blame :P
*HINT*
Blame furries.
*HINT*
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Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 28, 2015, 09:41:02 pm
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Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 28, 2015, 10:07:14 pm
I wonder if the boss's name is apologizing to everyone because Toby had to include them somehow anyway due to the payment (but at least did so in a very out of the way, secret, obscure place). Or maybe I'm reading into it too much.
it's kinda a pun. he starts the encounter by running into you and stating "I'm so sorry!"
Post by: Vgray on September 28, 2015, 11:40:42 pm
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Post by: Qmarx on September 29, 2015, 03:57:35 am
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It's a videogame, always check behind the waterfall.
Post by: TempAcc on September 29, 2015, 07:13:03 am
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Post by: Putnam on September 29, 2015, 08:50:50 pm
Post by: quinnr on September 29, 2015, 09:06:37 pm
Spoiler: Genocide Route Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Oh hey, on the third try I survived the first round of combat with 1 health. Maybe it'll die in one hit like most of the things do to a full Love character?
...
oh my.
Post by: Putnam on September 29, 2015, 09:10:21 pm
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Post by: quinnr on September 30, 2015, 01:23:16 am
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I love the game over screen, though. "Stay determined!" is like the best message that they could put there for the bad times.
EDIT: Get dunked on...
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 30, 2015, 08:18:53 am
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Post by: TempAcc on September 30, 2015, 08:56:51 am
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Post by: Leafsnail on September 30, 2015, 09:05:23 am
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Post by: umiman on September 30, 2015, 10:12:08 am
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I love the game over screen, though. "Stay determined!" is like the best message that they could put there for the bad times.
EDIT: Get dunked on...
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That's basically why he's being a dick.,
Post by: TempAcc on September 30, 2015, 10:38:51 am
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Post by: quinnr on September 30, 2015, 03:22:35 pm
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...I later wrote the definition of the word "curtilage" but that was it.
Undertale _is_ nothing but spoilers! :(
Post by: BigD145 on September 30, 2015, 03:32:28 pm
Undertale _is_ nothing but spoilers! :(
Post by: Qmarx on September 30, 2015, 03:36:43 pm
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Toby's confirmed that the variable is bugged - it should be capitalized in the ini file but isn't, so the game never reads it properly.
It gets a random value on each playthrough, the initial idea seems to be that players would have a small chance of seeing something weird and creepy that other people wouldn't.
The capitalization will be fixed in the next patch.
Toby also said that there is very little in the game files that's unused, but only to share things once you figure out how to get there from within the game.
Post by: Vgray on September 30, 2015, 03:41:12 pm
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I love the game over screen, though. "Stay determined!" is like the best message that they could put there for the bad times.
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That's basically why he's being a dick.,
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Post by: Putnam on September 30, 2015, 03:51:25 pm
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Post by: umiman on September 30, 2015, 04:04:27 pm
Super-meta discussion:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Genocide Final Boss (click to show/hide)
I love the game over screen, though. "Stay determined!" is like the best message that they could put there for the bad times.
EDIT: Get dunked on...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's basically why he's being a dick.,Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Leafsnail on September 30, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
People are less good at memorizing tunes than they think they are.Spoiler: Spoilers up through Waterfall (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Sonlirain on September 30, 2015, 07:25:53 pm
I mean he does appear to remember reloads and the previous game so he should remember a complete genocide as well.
Is he terrified of the player when you start a new game or acts smug as always?
Post by: Putnam on September 30, 2015, 07:35:46 pm
just in case
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 30, 2015, 10:26:33 pm
Is the Steam cloud save keeping thing working for anyone else? It would be nice to be able to play on the other computer.
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Post by: Leafsnail on September 30, 2015, 10:27:57 pm
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Post by: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 12:56:53 am
Post by: Qmarx on October 02, 2015, 03:03:51 am
Interesting. You know how the game comments if you try to name the fallen child after a main character? It also comments if you name them "Bratty" "Catty" "Gerson" or "Temmie" but gives you the usual yes and no instead of go back.Try gaster
Post by: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 03:53:45 am
I did.Interesting. You know how the game comments if you try to name the fallen child after a main character? It also comments if you name them "Bratty" "Catty" "Gerson" or "Temmie" but gives you the usual yes and no instead of go back.Try gaster
On an unrelated note, I am shocked that so many people (people meaning LPers I have been watching.) have trouble with Dogamy and Dogaressa's axe attack. My first instinct was to go down. I still got hurt quite a bit before I cinched the timing mind you...
Post by: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 03:24:27 pm
So I beat the game once. Pacifist.First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.
Considering second pacifist run, but it sounds like it'd be a little tedious and samey.
Does much change? Would I be better off just watching a video?
Also, any estimate on how quickly you can get through the game if you've already done it once?
Post by: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 03:53:03 pm
First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: quinnr on October 02, 2015, 03:57:49 pm
Spoiler: Genocide Final Boss (click to show/hide)
Seriously though, I've been at this for so long, I need to return to real life.
Post by: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 04:16:13 pm
First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: ZebioLizard2 on October 02, 2015, 04:43:40 pm
First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Putnam on October 02, 2015, 05:37:16 pm
Also, any estimate on how quickly you can get through the game if you've already done it once?
took me 4 1/2 hours
Post by: darkflagrance on October 02, 2015, 06:21:24 pm
First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Putnam on October 02, 2015, 09:01:11 pm
I'm still having a bad time. Somebody help.Spoiler: Genocide Final Boss (click to show/hide)
Seriously though, I've been at this for so long, I need to return to real life.
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Post by: quinnr on October 02, 2015, 09:04:35 pm
I'm still having a bad time. Somebody help.Spoiler: Genocide Final Boss (click to show/hide)
Seriously though, I've been at this for so long, I need to return to real life.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: More boss troubles (click to show/hide)
I'm at 15 hours logged in game. The actual story bits only took me...probably like 10 max to go through twice.
Post by: Putnam on October 02, 2015, 09:25:49 pm
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Post by: quinnr on October 02, 2015, 10:00:20 pm
I LOVE YOU AND I DID IT.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
MY LIFE. IT CAN NOW BE COMPLETED.
Post by: quinnr on October 04, 2015, 03:01:07 am
Some guy (who I think also worked on Homestuck music) made a medley of all the boss themes and it is now the theme track to my life.
Post by: Vgray on October 04, 2015, 04:42:36 am
Post by: Putnam on October 04, 2015, 10:14:28 am
Sorry for the double post, but this is simply amazing enough to warrant it: https://soundcloud.com/dragonxvi/bones-to-pick-undertale-boss-medley
Some guy (who I think also worked on Homestuck music) made a medley of all the boss themes and it is now the theme track to my life.
Yeah, that's Malcolm Brown IIRC, who is one of the only 4 people with a song in Homestuck in the last 2 years (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/soundcredits.html) (and one of the only 3 who's had a full song in Homestuck in the last 4 years)
he said he didn't include napstablook but to be fair spider dance is a different arrangement of that theme anyway
Post by: UristMcDwarf on October 04, 2015, 11:27:20 am
So, who are your favorite monsters? Mine would have to be Shyren and Vulkin. And for some reason, Whimsalot.
whimaslot and woshua
Post by: Cerol Lenslens on October 04, 2015, 12:04:43 pm
So, who are your favorite monsters? Mine would have to be Shyren and Vulkin. And for some reason, Whimsalot.
I'm pretty cool with all of them... except that one guy. You know the one.
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*ditches Jerry*
Post by: UristMcDwarf on October 04, 2015, 12:08:26 pm
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Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 04, 2015, 12:42:16 pm
So, who are your favorite monsters? Mine would have to be Shyren and Vulkin. And for some reason, Whimsalot.
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Post by: umiman on October 04, 2015, 01:26:33 pm
So, who are your favorite monsters? Mine would have to be Shyren and Vulkin. And for some reason, Whimsalot.HOi.
Temmie.
Edit: Also Miss Ahuhuhuhu~ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDFUcjWARU)
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Post by: quinnr on October 04, 2015, 07:35:38 pm
I was actually going to do this but then decided to put my actual name, and now I'm really disappointed.
http://imgur.com/a/qwxCD
Edit: JK, it's a Reddit Fake, but a REALLY GOOD ONE and you should look at it anyways.
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 04, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on October 05, 2015, 06:51:02 am
I doubt it :P
And chancess are ubisoft wouldn't even want those royalties and told them to sod off instead.
Post by: Aedel on October 05, 2015, 05:58:40 pm
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Post by: Qmarx on October 05, 2015, 06:01:16 pm
After my sixty third tracked attempt at beating Muffet, I am drawing closer to giving up on pacifism and just killing her. This is a good pain.Spoiler: my life (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Aedel on October 05, 2015, 06:50:17 pm
After my sixty third tracked attempt at beating Muffet, I am drawing closer to giving up on pacifism and just killing her. This is a good pain.Spoiler: my life (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Putnam on October 05, 2015, 07:08:22 pm
It's basically taking the bullet hell mentality and applying it to something like a rhythm game. Instead of making sure you catch the bullets, just make sure you dodge them. Ignore any bullets that are not currently on your lane. If you find a path to go through, do it.
Post by: TempAcc on October 05, 2015, 07:15:21 pm
Post by: Aedel on October 05, 2015, 07:16:51 pm
i actually... don't get the issue with muffet? How people find her difficult, that is.
It's basically taking the bullet hell mentality and applying it to something like a rhythm game. Instead of making sure you catch the bullets, just make sure you dodge them. Ignore any bullets that are not currently on your lane. If you find a path to go through, do it.
Half of my vision is permanently blurry to the point of blindness and I get dizzy when things start moving incredibly fast. Most parts of this game so far have been fine, but Muffet turns on all the 'get dizzy and die' switches in my head.
It really is a good pain. Muffet is a good pain.
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 05, 2015, 09:25:38 pm
Another thing, IMO the hardest attack to avoid is when you have to climb upwards to dodge the giant spider's attacks. For those turns, I would bribe Muffet to lower her attack.
Post by: umiman on October 06, 2015, 12:12:39 am
If that vision blindness causes the Muffet fight to be difficult then I have some serious doubts to whether you can actually beat the game.i actually... don't get the issue with muffet? How people find her difficult, that is.
It's basically taking the bullet hell mentality and applying it to something like a rhythm game. Instead of making sure you catch the bullets, just make sure you dodge them. Ignore any bullets that are not currently on your lane. If you find a path to go through, do it.
Half of my vision is permanently blurry to the point of blindness and I get dizzy when things start moving incredibly fast. Most parts of this game so far have been fine, but Muffet turns on all the 'get dizzy and die' switches in my head.
It really is a good pain. Muffet is a good pain.
The boss fights that come after that only get harder.
While you can just spam healing items for almost every boss in the pacifist one, there's one major one that you actually have to beat.
Post by: Putnam on October 06, 2015, 12:17:21 am
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Post by: umiman on October 06, 2015, 12:32:04 am
At least he's not doing genocide.
Post by: Aedel on October 06, 2015, 02:13:42 am
It just took a lot of
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Post by: Trapezohedron on October 06, 2015, 09:05:52 am
and as they said, rapid circle fireball boss after that guy.
though
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Post by: Aedel on October 07, 2015, 01:27:04 am
Some portions of Hotlands Core boss is disorienting, in the neutral run. While they dont shoot circles of doom, they do shoot a bunch of semi offsync obstacles, and the special attack portions involve them firing at you using a patterned floral circle thingy.
and as they said, rapid circle fireball boss after that guy.
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Post by: Trapezohedron on October 07, 2015, 07:19:40 am
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Post by: Bauglir on October 07, 2015, 04:15:07 pm
Global plot spoilers, Webm comedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyBOGXSiRg8)it's so beautiful
Post by: h3lblad3 on October 07, 2015, 04:19:17 pm
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Post by: umiman on October 07, 2015, 05:54:34 pm
They're so willing to talk shit about a game they've never played, but assume is tripe. It's depressing actually.
Look at this shit for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3nulgr/the_indie_game_undertale_is_currently_ranked_by/
Everyone refuses to believe Undertale could actually, legitimately, be a good game.
Post by: Putnam on October 07, 2015, 07:58:53 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on October 07, 2015, 08:26:11 pm
I find it really interesting that so many people seem to hate on this game because it's popular. Like they think it's undeserved because the art sucks or it's RPG maker-made.
They're so willing to talk shit about a game they've never played, but assume is tripe. It's depressing actually.
Look at this shit for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3nulgr/the_indie_game_undertale_is_currently_ranked_by/
Everyone refuses to believe Undertale could actually, legitimately, be a good game.
To be honest i personally think of it as a sort of evolved form of Five nights at Freddy's.
You have a bunch of recognisable and unforgettable characters and a convoluted storyline for the internet to pick apart.
That along with a load of different endings depending on who you kill or spare and even different endings only availble after you finished the game oncein a certain way.
Not to mention the game itself going meta all the time.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2015, 10:10:17 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 07, 2015, 10:25:03 pm
Post by: Qmarx on October 08, 2015, 12:54:44 am
I find it really interesting that so many people seem to hate on this game because it's popular. Like they think it's undeserved because the art sucks or it's RPG maker-made.Undertale wasn't made in RPG maker.
They're so willing to talk shit about a game they've never played, but assume is tripe. It's depressing actually.
Look at this shit for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3nulgr/the_indie_game_undertale_is_currently_ranked_by/
Everyone refuses to believe Undertale could actually, legitimately, be a good game.
Post by: TempAcc on October 08, 2015, 07:27:06 am
This is mostly because of the association with homestuck (something I've tried and found kinda meh) and the fact I always take indie nostalgia trip games with a grain of salt after I've played Space Funeral (which is pretty meh, IMO).
Of course, I didn't bash the game, but the only reason I actualy played it is because supergreatfriend played the demo and found it to be interesting.
Post by: Sonlirain on October 08, 2015, 09:25:22 am
The Undertale demo/Kickstarter came out a long time before FNaF. It's based more on games like Earthbound and SMT.
True. However the mechanism that mae it popular is the same.
A non straightforward storyline and a load of unanswered questions for the players to discuss on the internet while waiting for the sequel.
Post by: Putnam on October 08, 2015, 10:14:38 am
just sorta weird secrets
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on October 08, 2015, 11:39:52 am
there aren't too many unanswered questions
just sorta weird secrets
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I'd say there's a few unanswered questions, but it mostly has to do with backstory rather then anything fully presented by the game itself.
Post by: TempAcc on October 08, 2015, 11:53:44 am
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i feel my sins crawling on my back
Post by: TempAcc on October 08, 2015, 06:09:33 pm
Post by: Bauglir on October 08, 2015, 11:20:40 pm
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Post by: Leafsnail on October 08, 2015, 11:34:42 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 08, 2015, 11:38:18 pm
The game will also be patched to allow music to play for those with cyrillic/korean/etc. characters in their folder names, make sure that the game only notifies you of that comedian once and make sure to properly let you have Fun.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 09, 2015, 04:01:30 am
Yea, the game never explains much in regards to him/her.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Cerol Lenslens on October 09, 2015, 05:21:53 am
We are going to get gag comics at some point. In any case though it's definitely not that you're going to get answers in a sequel, any ambiguities are there for you to work through yourself.Yea, the game never explains much in regards to him/her.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Robosaur on October 09, 2015, 06:39:43 am
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However, her presence is much more appreciated in games like XCOM, where the aliens have no Mercy button, and you are fighting for the sake of the human race.
Post by: Qmarx on October 09, 2015, 11:16:37 am
http://existentialgamer.com/interview-toby-fox-of-undertale
Post by: Bauglir on October 10, 2015, 04:19:07 am
Spoiler: It's a Bit Strange That, After Cancelling A Genocide Run (click to show/hide)
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 10, 2015, 11:07:12 am
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Post by: quinnr on October 10, 2015, 03:51:49 pm
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8 TIMES? That boss killed me...well, let's just say it took literally hours.
Post by: Bauglir on October 10, 2015, 03:57:32 pm
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Post by: TempAcc on October 10, 2015, 04:11:58 pm
In regards to flowey:
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Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 10, 2015, 05:48:43 pm
I reset after 25.
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Toby said/implied more than once that a huge concept of the game is punishing completionist gameplay, IE playing just to get to know all interactions, all items, etc, while forgoing the characters and the universe the game takes place in.
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Post by: Leafsnail on October 10, 2015, 06:12:18 pm
No plans for a sequelCool to see he liked Ghost Trick, that's my favourite game. Like Undertale the gameplay and story were well-linked.
http://existentialgamer.com/interview-toby-fox-of-undertale
Post by: Wysthric on October 10, 2015, 11:36:09 pm
The last Hour / Hour Thirty actually made me cry.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 11, 2015, 12:19:18 am
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Post by: Aedel on October 11, 2015, 02:07:50 am
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Daily reminder that Name is pure.
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Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 15, 2015, 04:11:43 pm
So my experience with the game.I might just leave my playing of the game at that, I experienced most of what the game has to offer.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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With being said, good luck with seeing what the rest of the game has to offer! The neutral ending you mentioned is my favorite ending, but the one you haven't seen yet is pretty good as well.
Post by: Aedel on October 15, 2015, 04:19:46 pm
Unless its something like wait with the game open for an hour before the dialog option appears again, I'm not sure how to continue.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did you kill Flowey instead of spare him? He tells you how to continue, and Sans gives you hints in the phone call.
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Post by: etgfrog on October 15, 2015, 05:05:40 pm
Hm...had the game open while I was elsewhere, nothing when I got back...hm...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: nenjin on October 15, 2015, 05:58:51 pm
Post by: TempAcc on October 15, 2015, 06:01:24 pm
Post by: nenjin on October 15, 2015, 06:06:45 pm
The game isn't really about the random encounters anyway. Its far more about the bosses and the plot/characters. After a while they do get kinda ehhh, but unlike other jrpg style games, random encounters are far less important unless you're trying to do a genocide run.
Oh I get that, but when you're walking around and trying to find and do stuff in a game like this, constantly having to do the same encounters over and over again for no real reason just gets tiresome. It's like, haha, yeah, I talked to this thing until it went away like 20 times already.....
If you can tell me that occurs less overall than in the demo, I might still give it a try.
Post by: Putnam on October 15, 2015, 06:26:02 pm
Post by: Rex_Nex on October 15, 2015, 06:26:45 pm
Overall it is an issue, and I recall being very annoyed by it while going through one of the zones, but it really fades away for most of the game as you only have to deal with one, usually-new enemy per zone.
Post by: DragonDePlatino on October 15, 2015, 06:28:21 pm
Oh I get that, but when you're walking around and trying to find and do stuff in a game like this, constantly having to do the same encounters over and over again for no real reason just gets tiresome. It's like, haha, yeah, I talked to this thing until it went away like 20 times already.....
If you can tell me that occurs less overall than in the demo, I might still give it a try.
From experience, I never found the encounter rate to be annoying. It's not nearly as bad as games like Earthbound Zero or Pokemon, where it's possible to take two steps then enter a battle. Even when I was running back and forth to see the new enemies, it always took me a good 15 seconds to find a battle.
Not to mention, the game won't penalize you for fleeing battles and after you finish an area you cannot encounter enemies there anymore.
Post by: Aedel on October 15, 2015, 10:21:21 pm
Played the demo of this. I've been tempted a couple times to buy it. But the combat with wandering monsters is fun two or three times and then it's just a drag. I can't really see that being super enjoyable.
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Post by: umiman on October 15, 2015, 10:54:45 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 16, 2015, 11:54:50 pm
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Post by: Sonlirain on October 17, 2015, 01:00:37 pm
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 18, 2015, 10:05:20 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 18, 2015, 11:01:16 am
Post by: TherosPherae on October 18, 2015, 11:43:59 pm
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Post by: Bauglir on October 18, 2015, 11:57:49 pm
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Post by: Aedel on October 19, 2015, 01:19:07 am
So. This game's a thing that I played yesterday.Spoiler: Spoilers inside. (click to show/hide)
ACT has some of the best parts of the game, and pacifist has some new stuff
It also has
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Post by: Sonlirain on October 19, 2015, 06:37:26 am
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Post by: Leafsnail on October 19, 2015, 09:10:01 am
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Post by: Bauglir on October 19, 2015, 11:26:45 am
The genocide run is actually radically different throughout in terms of dialogue, in addition to the changed gameplay. It also cuts out a lot of the stuff that would normally be tedious on the second playthrough (apparently it's actually the best way to speedrun the game due to this).That does make sense. There are no puzzles, you skip most of Hotland, and aside from the two bosses every fight after the Ruins is a one-hit sort of affair. If you can do the bosses reliably, you'll have a huge advantage.
Post by: Qmarx on October 19, 2015, 02:04:03 pm
The genocide run is actually radically different throughout in terms of dialogue, in addition to the changed gameplay. It also cuts out a lot of the stuff that would normally be tedious on the second playthrough (apparently it's actually the best way to speedrun the game due to this).Well, technically it's fastest to do a 'genocide that falls off the wagon right at the end' neutral run, so you don't have to farm random encounters at the end or face the geno bosses.
Post by: Putnam on October 19, 2015, 05:44:27 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 20, 2015, 02:22:24 am
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e: actually nevermind, it looks like in the past week there's been some neutral runs that are a couple of minutes faster. It seems incredibly close in any case.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 20, 2015, 02:27:03 am
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Post by: Aedel on October 20, 2015, 10:16:01 am
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Post by: Leafsnail on October 20, 2015, 11:30:56 am
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Post by: Egan_BW on October 20, 2015, 12:02:48 pm
Because if not, I think I'll start over and do a genocide run. :)
Post by: Bauglir on October 20, 2015, 12:29:07 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on October 20, 2015, 12:37:39 pm
EDIT: Is work!
Post by: Egan_BW on October 26, 2015, 11:29:35 pm
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Post by: umiman on October 26, 2015, 11:34:39 pm
So I beat it.HahahahahaSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: birdy51 on October 27, 2015, 10:42:25 pm
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Post by: Aedel on October 27, 2015, 10:49:29 pm
Something I noticed after a botched Genocide Run...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 28, 2015, 12:16:30 am
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on October 29, 2015, 08:26:46 am
However I certainly missed the snowball thing, I just thought it an amusing little sidetrack.
Post by: DoomOnion on October 29, 2015, 09:08:52 am
This game has filled me with DETERMINATION.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 29, 2015, 08:52:05 pm
I thought I reduced you to a fine paste dammit.
Post by: pisskop on October 29, 2015, 09:25:22 pm
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Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2015, 09:43:21 pm
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Post by: Aedel on October 29, 2015, 10:17:22 pm
Enough people went and said things about this game and how it has psyche elements, so I saw a couple of pertainent endings on youtubes.Spoiler: So to make sure I got the ultimate gist (spoilers, I presume) (click to show/hide)
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Post by: pisskop on October 29, 2015, 10:53:33 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 30, 2015, 12:22:32 am
It's my headcanon that they have a really bad case of Schrodinger's Genitals, quantum observation effect and all.
Post by: pisskop on October 30, 2015, 12:26:09 am
Well, I guess the peaceful ending cleared it up more than thought.
Post by: Putnam on October 30, 2015, 12:27:20 am
Yeah, they're called "they" through the whole game, you may notice. Mettaton just calls everyone "gorgeous".
I named them Putnam and still thought of them as a girl for most of the game, basically until something more personally relatable came up.
Post by: Bauglir on October 30, 2015, 12:33:31 am
But yeah, while they're definitely meant to be ambiguous, it's worth noting that the only articles of clothing picked up that are strongly gendered tend to the feminine - a tutu and a ribbon. On the other hand, that may be because the gendering of clothing tends to go one way these days (plenty of women's clothing, but not nearly as many articles that are thought of as inherently masculine), or it may be because the image of a dude in a tutu is supposed to be hilarious, depending on your personal degree of Liberal Progressiveness etc. And since they're just picked up off the ground, I'm surely overanalyzing, and maybe the Cowboy Hat gives them a run for their money.
woopwoopwoopwoopwoop
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 30, 2015, 12:35:34 am
Post by: Bauglir on October 30, 2015, 12:37:39 am
Post by: pisskop on October 30, 2015, 01:23:30 am
that gender embibment was made for a reaspn, and while yes the character is ambiguous and its clear the designers werent excluded nonstraight options even the cooking scene w/undeath is one of platonic bonding.
it seems that, on a razor, it is female/neutral.
Post by: Putnam on October 30, 2015, 01:30:40 am
but the date with papyrus
it seems a bit odd to assume papyrus is straight when the one drunk rabbit girl is the only unambiguously straight character in the game
and for that matter undyne the only unambiguously gay one??
huh, ain't that interesting
(the rabbit girl wants "h-h-h-hot guys" and Undyne mentions one area is "great for meeting girls")
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 01:35:58 am
Post by: Putnam on October 30, 2015, 01:38:37 am
or maybe she just really likes people who can lift her up both literally and emotionally
also, about that reasoning for thinking of as female:
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Post by: pisskop on October 30, 2015, 01:42:09 am
Again, ambiguity of the game aside, examine the dino-scientist Aphlys.. The game suggests, no matter what else, that she is at the least bisexual, more likely pansexual. Considering the crushes we know she has (from that quiz show) it once again hints at a female protagonist on a razor.
I cant remember the 4th choice, but it was Dont Know, undyne, and Player for the other three. :v
I cant remember specific male-male references, but I see several male/female, ambiguous, and female/female relationships.
Im not trying to violate the game now, but I see what I think is a pattern to the relationships in the game.
pedit: okay
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 30, 2015, 01:43:48 am
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 01:45:12 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 30, 2015, 01:48:45 am
Alphys also makes flirtatious comments about Toriel, which gives more credence that she's not very choosy. Asgore's the only male she's confirmed to have a crush on, though, as far as I'm aware.
Post by: Putnam on October 30, 2015, 01:50:39 am
Uh. Is there a term for that?
It's actually really fascinating how basically all my feelings on the player character are things that I'm projecting... but this is not something I feel at all. I never even thought of anything like that until I just now tried articulating in full my opinions on the player character's gender.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 01:53:30 am
As for Putnam's spoiler a few posts back, I like the fact that Undertale is very concrete on what's going on and the events that lead up to it, but still leaves a lot of things about the game up to player interpretation. It's very well done.
Edit @Putnam: genderfluid, I think. Ask Cinder? They know more about it.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 30, 2015, 09:21:30 am
"Chara" is you.
Post by: TempAcc on October 30, 2015, 10:04:05 am
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And ye, its confirmed that Alphys had a massive crush on both undyne and asgore. She get togheder with undyne because she reciprocates it (in her own way).
Also, I never understood the whole papyrus+metatton ship thing. They don't even interact during the game, and while papyrus seems to want to meet metatton, it may just be because he's the underground's resident superstar. Also don't understand the whole toriel+sans thing, they just seem to be great friends, akin to undyne and papyrus, who clearly really like eachother but in a fraternal, brotherly way.
Post by: umiman on October 30, 2015, 01:24:53 pm
I always find pictures depicting her as a boy feeling very strange to me. It's like someone Rule 63'd her.
Post by: Sonlirain on October 30, 2015, 01:37:08 pm
But yeah, while they're definitely meant to be ambiguous, it's worth noting that the only articles of clothing picked up that are strongly gendered tend to the feminine - a tutu and a ribbon. On the other hand, that may be because the gendering of clothing tends to go one way these days (plenty of women's clothing, but not nearly as many articles that are thought of as inherently masculine), or it may be because the image of a dude in a tutu is supposed to be hilarious, depending on your personal degree of Liberal Progressiveness etc. And since they're just picked up off the ground, I'm surely overanalyzing, and maybe the Cowboy Hat gives them a run for their money.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Sonlirain on October 30, 2015, 02:14:35 pm
Or maybe he has but it's what a 6 year old would imagine dating to be like :P
And hey canon segments are canon comedic or not. People were doing the same thing with MLP back in the day and they did it with Undertale now.
Not a big suprise really.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2015, 02:46:00 pm
...maybe? ... apart from Toriel...
Undyne did make me uncomfortable, though.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 30, 2015, 03:28:55 pm
Spooky.
Post by: BluarianKnight on October 30, 2015, 07:43:47 pm
Not the feels.
Or genocide.
Or pacificist.
Or ANY of the ending.
..But..
Spoiler: Not really spoilers, JUST DRAMATIC EFFECT (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sergarr on October 30, 2015, 08:13:16 pm
Uh. Is there a term for that?I personally call it "being above gender roles restrictions (and not just pretending to, while simultaneously trying to enforce them in a different way, a la tumblr)". Congratulations, btw, for achieving full realization that gender roles restrictions are, in a word, bullshit.
Post by: etgfrog on October 30, 2015, 09:34:11 pm
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Spoiler: wait long enough in battle (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cthulufaic on October 30, 2015, 09:57:34 pm
My sister is going to have a bad time.
Post by: BluarianKnight on October 30, 2015, 10:13:13 pm
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WHAT IS THAT
HOW
MY GOD
SWEET JESUS
PRAISE ALMIGHTY
OHSWEET
AH.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 10:19:39 pm
Post by: DoomOnion on October 30, 2015, 10:24:50 pm
I take it you've never sent Temmie to college, either. :P
WOA!! Thas ALOT o muns!!
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 10:30:38 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on October 30, 2015, 10:51:21 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 30, 2015, 10:52:19 pm
I'm not even going to touch the part where we're trying to guess the sexuality of monsters based on comedic dating segments wherein a skeleton hides a gift-wrapped plate of spaghetti under his hat.Also all the monsters explicitly are not romantically interested in the player character at any point.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on October 30, 2015, 10:54:25 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 30, 2015, 10:57:52 pm
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on October 31, 2015, 04:09:35 am
Well, theyre all monsters, even most of the main characters. The humans are distinctly labeled as such, and we only ever really see 1 in flesh. The generic monsters don't have enough backstory to display much interests outside of their 'gimmick'. Except tsunderplane and aaron. They like you, and themselves.
Some do if you talk to them a few points in the game, after you beat the boss of an area they tend to hang around their zones talkable.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 31, 2015, 04:16:31 pm
So, that's a pretty good game, huh?
Post by: monk12 on October 31, 2015, 09:02:59 pm
Damn good soundtrack though.
Post by: Qmarx on October 31, 2015, 10:38:03 pm
Post by: Aedel on October 31, 2015, 10:51:22 pm
Who else has seen the Undertale Halloween Hack (http://scarodactyl.tumblr.com/post/131788653150/as-many-of-you-probably-know-theres-an-early-copy)?
Wasn't that confirmed a fake?
Post by: Putnam on November 01, 2015, 03:51:07 pm
it's pretty good spritework too
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 06:43:53 am
Man, that ending was pretty disappointing.
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E:
N E V E R M I N D
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 02, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 06:50:49 am
alright that was a cool ending
i'm by no means good enough to do a pacifist run though.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 02, 2015, 07:09:59 am
Never mind. Apparently you did man up. And doing a Pacifist run is amazingly easy, I don't know what you're talking about.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 02, 2015, 07:11:52 am
Finally, if you're really having trouble and dying a lot, save up 2k and visit Temmie. She'll make pacifist runs a joke.
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 07:14:25 am
but people in irc say it isnt so hey lets do this.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 02, 2015, 07:34:13 am
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 02, 2015, 08:17:11 am
Post by: etgfrog on November 02, 2015, 08:46:18 am
Post by: Putnam on November 02, 2015, 11:24:58 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 02, 2015, 01:08:21 pm
Fourth try now...
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Post by: monk12 on November 02, 2015, 01:41:40 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 02, 2015, 04:12:57 pm
Buuuut... there is a lot of popular demand for it, and I've heard quite a few rumors and hearsay that suggest that Toby might actually be putting it together.
So, in summary, don't get your hopes up, but do make your voice heard.
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 04:21:55 pm
First Pacifist Undyne fight. ARGH
Fourth try now...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Also, finished my pacifist run. Somebody told me to pack bisicles, which turned out to be a great idea. I used all except one for Asgore.
Somehow, the Undyne date managed to be more hilarious than the Papyrus date.
I did forget to talk to Asgore more than once and to give him the pie. But eh.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 02, 2015, 04:33:23 pm
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 02, 2015, 04:37:36 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 04:38:51 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 02, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
didn't kill anyone? open the game again, head back out of the CORE
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 02, 2015, 04:44:37 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 02, 2015, 04:49:11 pm
E: idea: meet the pyro with MC as pyro and other classes as monsters.
E2:
AAAAAA
I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE BEST ENDING BUT THIS IS VERY OMINOUS.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 02, 2015, 05:11:08 pm
Post by: Sergarr on November 05, 2015, 12:08:07 pm
sans - gluttony/sloth combined
Undyne - pride
Alphys - lust
Muffet - greed
Mettaton - envy
Asgore - wrath
I've got nothing on Papyrus and Toriel, though. I guess pride/sloth?
It's pretty interesting that Undertale's "cave" in which the whole game is contained could be thus easily interpreted as a metaphor for hell, and the true pacifist ending would actually result in hordes of
I'm really fucking sure that's very much not the intended reading of the game plot, though. And I must be one fucked up in the head individual for even thinking about it that way.
Post by: Putnam on November 05, 2015, 12:11:00 pm
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Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 05, 2015, 12:16:09 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 05, 2015, 12:19:25 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2015, 12:21:28 pm
I think you're trying too hard to fit characters into these archtypes. Im sure there is significance to it, but I don't think its as cut and dry as: Each character is one sin. Too many characters. Too many bosses.
Post by: Sergarr on November 05, 2015, 12:59:46 pm
No but really this seems to be a thing that should have been talked about since the first days. I mean just look at Asgore he's like literally looking like the devil, what with the BIG RED TRIDENT and general goat-like appearance. I've even seen the comparisons being made, I've just never saw them being logically continued to the rest of the game and game's characters. Probably because everyone were too busy searching for Gaster stuff.
Post by: Sergarr on November 06, 2015, 10:56:37 am
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<-> f (6) - 2/24Post by: Putnam on November 06, 2015, 11:01:49 am
that would be edgy as shit
this game isn't really edgy
Post by: Sergarr on November 06, 2015, 11:09:27 am
lol no way is that guy a jesus allegoryOr so Toby wants you to think...
that would be edgy as shit
this game isn't really edgy
(it's all a ruse man)
(no but seriously, someone please explain it to me how can this be a mere coincidence, because it's obviously not true, but I'm really at a loss at how to explain it otherwise)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 06, 2015, 11:21:56 am
Post by: Sergarr on November 06, 2015, 12:02:33 pm
He could've chose literally anything else, there are plenty of archetypes for a "king under the mountain" - but no, Toby chose the devil-like appearance and devil-like weapon. Why would he choose it if he didn't want to make a cave seem like an allegory for hell?
And from that allegory, everything else starts to really make sense. Like why Sans is the most difficult opponent in the game - because he's a stand-in for sloth, laziness - your worst opponent, when you're a fanatic crusader (i.e. you on the Genocide route).
It always arrive without you noticing it - hence why he can "teleport" around.
It never goes away for long when you "defeat" it - hence why he dodges your direct attacks.
It always adapts to your mental paradigms - hence why Sans's damage ignores your armour.
You literally need to break your human bounds to finally defeat it - hence why you need to literally break all the game rules in order to defeat him.
Yes, it's probably just a coincidence. But personally, I like that coincidence. It gives some inside on the twisted vision of religious fanatics. Even if coincidental, it's still quite educational.
Post by: miauw62 on November 06, 2015, 12:09:47 pm
Also, announcing that they would collect human souls to smash the barrier appeared to me as less pride and more him not wanting to see his people despair for all eternity.
Asgore being the devil does seem rather likely.
other people are probably right, though.
asgore = the devil does sort of make sense, thinking about it... but does it go as far as all characters being cardinal sins...? probably not :v
Post by: pisskop on November 06, 2015, 12:14:06 pm
Are all the souls prepuescent children?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2015, 12:19:49 pm
-snip-
I think you're putting way, way too much thought into this. A lot of what you've said has been stretching any sort of reasoning you could be making to the breaking point.
A lot of the stuff you've put together isn't even coincidence at this point, it's setting the goalposts and manipulating the data to say what you want to say. Especially the letter substitutions.
You do make a good point, though. You sound like an ultraconservative Christian talk show host.
the most exciting part of this is were talking about 8-12 yr old Chara and Frisk.
Are all the souls prepuescent children?
That's a distinct possibility. The clothing all fits Frisk pretty well, and adult humans would probably have a much easier time cutting through the underground.
It's also very likely that everyone who fell into Mt. Ebott was trying to escape from something in their lives the only way they knew how: Mt. Ebott is a place of myth and legend, something that would draw in children who don't really have any other options for getting away from themselves.
Post by: Sergarr on November 06, 2015, 12:33:00 pm
I've literally put less than 2 hours of thought into all of this stuff, which does seem way more than I should've.-snip-
I think you're putting way, way too much thought into this. A lot of what you've said has been stretching any sort of reasoning you could be making to the breaking point.
A lot of the stuff you've put together isn't even coincidence at this point, it's setting the goalposts and manipulating the data to say what you want to say. Especially the letter substitutions.
You do make a good point, though. You sound like an ultraconservative Christian talk show host.
Also note that I do not believe in Christianity. Like, at all. This is all just some stuff I've invented after I've seen in the news about some Conservative religious person (Pat Robertson) say that Undertale is evil. Then I thought "hey what's the most evil and twisted way I can re-interpret the plot if I was a fundamentalist" and I guess I've succeeded, perhaps too well.
please don't take it (the theory) seriously, I was just trying to have some !!Fun!!
Post by: pisskop on November 06, 2015, 12:36:11 pm
Post by: Sergarr on November 06, 2015, 12:44:41 pm
Look at what undertale is. Not hard to get fuel for their fires here.. Most Religious talk shows arent looking to understand/analyse their targets, they draw their alegories from superificial remarks. Like 'Mettaton is a mini-game' is even assuming they even get that far into it.Well the one I've seen was talking about how Sans was clearly evil because of looking like a skeleton. Superficial remarks indeed.
Post by: SOLDIER First on November 06, 2015, 01:18:33 pm
Post by: monk12 on November 06, 2015, 01:29:57 pm
In other news, SANS YOU CHEATING F*********
Post by: Willfor on November 06, 2015, 08:26:50 pm
Post by: Aedel on November 06, 2015, 08:55:06 pm
I have a Mettaton-shaped hole in my Mettaton-shaped heart.
In other news, SANS YOU CHEATING F*********
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Post by: monk12 on November 07, 2015, 02:08:35 am
I have a Mettaton-shaped hole in my Mettaton-shaped heart.
In other news, SANS YOU CHEATING F*********Spoiler: stay determined (click to show/hide)
That's pretty great. Now I'm filled with determination for my actual bedtime.
Post by: Putnam on November 07, 2015, 02:35:27 am
Spoiler: Genocide Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: monk12 on November 07, 2015, 10:31:53 pm
GET DUNKED ON (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCcKyyptuM)
(I got dunked on. Still haven't beat him. STILL DETERMINED)
Post by: birdy51 on November 08, 2015, 12:03:27 am
But I had Determination and pushed through. Now there will be only good times.
Post by: Wirevix on November 08, 2015, 03:12:55 am
In some ways, I'm sad I went full-blown Pacifist for my first playthrough, because I know I will never, ever be able to do a Genocide run now--there's no way I could have the heart to fight any of these characters. Even the minor monsters without dialog are too dear to me at this point, haha. So I'll never get to have the !!joy!! of fighting Sans and such, but ah well. I'm too happy with the ending I got to want to change anything.
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2015, 03:26:31 am
Dogi kill just about everyone the first four or five times, weirdly enough. I never had a problem, but the vast majority of people have, from what I've seen.
Post by: miauw62 on November 08, 2015, 07:52:49 am
Post by: h3lblad3 on November 08, 2015, 10:44:10 am
Post by: Putnam on November 08, 2015, 09:29:02 pm
ghost fight uses the earthbound soundfont too, the most obvious example being the lead instrumentation in Venus Live! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGXF0TjXCY)
Spoiler: True Pacifist (click to show/hide)
Oh, and there's also this (https://sleepytimejesse.bandcamp.com/track/fallen-down). Fallen Down was written as part of a tribute album after sleepytimejesse made the first Earthbound soundfont available on the internet. That song works with every damn soundfont. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13790475/fallen_lttp.ogg)
Post by: Edmus on November 09, 2015, 07:39:19 am
Post by: monk12 on November 09, 2015, 09:09:25 pm
I'm feeling bummed now. This is like when I finished Firefly... I just want more. :(
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Still can't beat Sans, but at least his theme has been kazoo'd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdaduOiiR10) for my battling pleasure.
Post by: umiman on November 10, 2015, 01:30:26 pm
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The whole comic is here (http://starfleetrambo.tumblr.com/post/132858450158/ur-right-saitama-frisk-and-the-pine-twins-in-a) but it has some spoilers.
Post by: monk12 on November 10, 2015, 01:39:54 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 10, 2015, 02:35:16 pm
And no. Not for me.
Post by: Edmus on November 10, 2015, 02:48:38 pm
Post by: TempAcc on November 10, 2015, 03:02:05 pm
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Post by: pisskop on November 10, 2015, 03:06:13 pm
Wow it must look silly without any investment, build or context.tee hee. Except Im not ignorant to the plot
Post by: Edmus on November 10, 2015, 03:52:33 pm
That came off a loooot more snarky than I intended, sorry.Wow it must look silly without any investment, build or context.tee hee. Except Im not ignorant to the plot
Edit: And now I feel that came off as snarky too. :/ I'm terrible this morning.
Post by: Putnam on November 10, 2015, 04:38:42 pm
So I just saw the true pacifist ending.
And no. Not for me.
lol i love that one of the more popular negative steam reviews was a lot like this
like "wow this game is really huggy and hand-holdy and tumblr and shit" even though like 50% of the game's content is very pointedly not that
Post by: pisskop on November 10, 2015, 04:42:36 pm
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The game itself is a thing, but that ending was also a thing.
Post by: Putnam on November 10, 2015, 04:44:00 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 10, 2015, 04:46:28 pm
Post by: Edmus on November 10, 2015, 04:48:01 pm
:'(I'm terrible this morning.whoa, can you turn down the snark a bit??
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2015, 05:22:22 pm
There's nothing in the game you ever really have to repeat, and even the stuff you can choose to repeat generally throws in something new and interesting unless you're going to some old shop you moved on from a long time ago. The game even includes a decent amount of time-saving quick travel stuff for that.
Post by: miauw62 on November 10, 2015, 05:44:23 pm
Post by: Bauglir on November 10, 2015, 06:11:39 pm
speaking of megalovaniai don't think i have ever unironically liked the use of a kazoo before this
http://vagabond-number.tumblr.com/post/131983936114/behold-the-fusion-of-three-violin-metal-and
or whatever type of liking it is when somebody plays cruel angel's thesis on a kazoo as a joke, where the actual sound isn't at all good but it's a funny juxtaposition
it actually works here, somehow, is my point
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2015, 06:35:19 pm
Post by: monk12 on November 10, 2015, 09:03:45 pm
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The game itself is a thing, but that ending was also a thing.
You're not really supposed to get the same ending over and over, nor do most endings end up there.
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speaking of megalovania
http://vagabond-number.tumblr.com/post/131983936114/behold-the-fusion-of-three-violin-metal-and
Same dude also did Bonetrousle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXg35Kv7oyw), which, well... really, really fits.
MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE.
Well, no, I'm still looking for a decent Undertale desktop. There's gotta be a good one of Sans being a Big Damn Hero somewhere...
Post by: Putnam on November 10, 2015, 09:06:17 pm
EDIT: People are starting to obliviously post datamined stuff online. I say obliviously because I'm pretty sure they don't actually know it was datamined. I know because I'm a dirty hacker. It's... not altogether surprising that it's happening, but it's very slightly disheartening.
EDIT 2: also what's with the "meme game" thing
like this is a meme game like homestuck is a meme comic, it MAKES them memes
i can think of... a meme reference in this game. like, just the one
unless you count various earthbound stuffs as memes, which by definition you should BUT
Post by: Bauglir on November 10, 2015, 11:06:56 pm
also what's with the "meme game" thinghonestly if you want my best guess
it has superficial qualities associated with a particular culture, but because it's so difficult to pin down what exactly bothers them about a thing they don't like, they go with the first thing to come to mind as obnoxious - their memes
now, "bauglir," you might be saying, "virtually every online community has memes of some kind"
and that's true, but it's very easy to look at the spray of memes emanating from any given community and, because you lack the context or familiarity with what spawned them, conclude that the memes are all the community is, and that therefore the community is one built on memes, and that's what really binds it together and so on and so forth
your memes are okay, because they're just a reflection of the underlying ideas of your community; their memes are cancer, because they're just a veneer hiding the lack of any underlying ideas in their community - it's all they are, so they're the "meme group"
now, as to why people see only one Other community out there to get the moniker without creating undue confusion, i don't know
perhaps my own ideas on how the big social cleavage of folks with a gaming identity lies along the value placed on empathy are correct instead of my own particular breed of tribalism and smugness, or more likely there's some other, better, explanation out there, or just possibly it's evidence that i'm oversimplifying and just generally wrong about this whole thing
Post by: monk12 on November 10, 2015, 11:15:03 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 10, 2015, 11:23:58 pm
Which songs have been pitched differently aside from Death By Glamour?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2015, 11:24:14 pm
I'd go over the terminology, but it's honestly on Wikipedia if you don't already know it and I don't want to type that much.
Undertale really, really appeals to Explorers, to a lesser degree to Achievers and Socializers.
Unfortunately, it not only doesn't usually appeal to Killers, it actively makes their preferred path the worst one.
This means, generally, that there's an entire subset of people who really can't get into the game. And, unfortunately, when you've got what's essentially an in-joke this big, people sometimes get pissed that they can't really participate.
At least, that's my take on it, and it's honestly only a part of the story. There's a lot more that factors in, like more subtle personal preferences and preconditioned perceptions, but I think this at least plays a big part of it.
Post by: Sergarr on November 10, 2015, 11:39:40 pm
Undertale really, really appeals to Explorershow
there's almost nothing in it to explore; with the sole exception of time-travel dialog changes (and Fun-related stuff), it's linear as fuck.
I mean it hasn't been two months since release and people has literally datamined everything that was in it. And it's not a whole lot of stuff.
I'd say that Socializers are the ones that get the biggest "appeals to" rank. This game is really centered around (virtual) socialization. It rewards socialization really well, too.
Post by: Bauglir on November 10, 2015, 11:47:22 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2015, 11:50:26 pm
Undertale really, really appeals to Explorershow
there's almost nothing in it to explore; with the sole exception of time-travel dialog changes (and Fun-related stuff), it's linear as fuck.
I mean it hasn't been two months since release and people has literally datamined everything that was in it. And it's not a whole lot of stuff.
I'd say that Socializers are the ones that get the biggest "appeals to" rank. This game is really centered around (virtual) socialization. It rewards socialization really well, too.
Eh, you're probably right. I've been second-guessing myself since I wrote it, anyway.
The point is made, though: the game really doesn't appeal to all tastes, and there are some people who will take offense to that, especially when it gets shoved in their faces.
Post by: Putnam on November 11, 2015, 12:30:04 am
So undertale songs in the game itself are differently pitched.. Hmm.
Which songs have been pitched differently aside from Death By Glamour?
Snowy, Dogbass, Hopes and Dreams off the top of my head.
Post by: TempAcc on November 11, 2015, 06:17:40 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2015, 09:51:09 am
Toby seems to have made a bunch of 'base' songs which are included on the soundtrack, but in the game itself, all of them have modified tempo to fit the mood and game.
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Post by: miauw62 on November 11, 2015, 10:05:22 am
Also, putnam, what do you mean by datamining stuff?
Post by: TempAcc on November 11, 2015, 10:20:50 am
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Post by: miauw62 on November 11, 2015, 10:22:42 am
Post by: TempAcc on November 11, 2015, 10:34:23 am
Post by: monk12 on November 11, 2015, 12:51:04 pm
Undertale really, really appeals to Explorershow
there's almost nothing in it to explore; with the sole exception of time-travel dialog changes (and Fun-related stuff), it's linear as fuck.
I mean it hasn't been two months since release and people has literally datamined everything that was in it. And it's not a whole lot of stuff.
I'd say that Socializers are the ones that get the biggest "appeals to" rank. This game is really centered around (virtual) socialization. It rewards socialization really well, too.
Eh, you're probably right. I've been second-guessing myself since I wrote it, anyway.
The point is made, though: the game really doesn't appeal to all tastes, and there are some people who will take offense to that, especially when it gets shoved in their faces.
No, I'd say it's definitely Explorers who would find the most joy in this game. The game actively rewards you for going everywhere and talking to everything, multiple times, in varying circumstances (including backtracking) just to see what changes. I'd hardly call it linear; sure, it's not an open-world game, but there's a LOT of different ways to get from the start to the finish, including different cutscenes, boss battles, and character interactions based on your choices. Things change the most in Genocide mode, with the entire premise of that playthrough being "what horrible things will you do just to see something new?" A game doesn't have to be as sprawling as Skyrim or DF to appeal to Explorers.
Yeah, Socializers get fun out of this game, but it's in the context of Exploring; they aren't using this game to form guilds or collaborative play experiences or anything, they're using it as water cooler talk to discuss the neat things they've discovered in the course of playing the game, all the little Easter eggs and conversations and observations that their playstyle produced which somebody elses may not have.
It's worth noting that Bartle's Taxonomy was originally made to describe MUD players. The traditional definition of a Killer or Socializer doesn't really apply to Undertale, since Undertale has no multiplayer component.
Post by: TempAcc on November 11, 2015, 01:05:51 pm
But if I have to use it, I'd define undertale as a game that caters mostly to explorers, like monk12 said, and achievers, since the entire point of a genocide run is fighting extra hard bosses for bragging rights and not much else.
Post by: pisskop on November 11, 2015, 01:10:57 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 11, 2015, 01:44:52 pm
Post by: monk12 on November 11, 2015, 01:50:17 pm
The genocide route has a bunch of story and character development on it.
It kinda reminds me of that one jerk from Firefly, who was all "I'm going to torture you to get to know you better."
Post by: Sergarr on November 11, 2015, 11:17:03 pm
Well, its not the datamining itself thats bad, me thinks, its just the fact people are posting the stuff that got found out because of it on the internet, and there's a message by toby among the game's sound files expressively asking people to not post the secrets they find online for everyone to see, or else he won't make any more secrets :vThis message, when I learned about its existence, incidentally made me more inclined to search/post secrets on the internet. Yay for reverse psychology?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2015, 11:25:08 pm
Undertale is a story as much as a game, and stories deserve to be shared. Most of the mined data is story-relevant, isn't it? I mean, if it's not, that's one thing, but if it is, well, it deserves to be passed around.
Post by: Putnam on November 11, 2015, 11:28:49 pm
I'm perfectly willing to talk about stuff that is either definitely not in the game or definitely in the game. If there's any ambiguity about that, I probably won't talk about it. There are examples I've seen of all three (definitely in, definitely not, unsure). I probably won't come up with any without being asked.
Post by: BigD145 on November 12, 2015, 12:37:06 am
Undertale is a story as much as a bullet-hell game
Post by: Sergarr on November 12, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Post by: Putnam on November 12, 2015, 12:47:24 am
Post by: Sergarr on November 12, 2015, 12:50:20 am
"Bullet hell" doesn't have "hell" in it's name for no reason, you know.
Post by: TherosPherae on November 12, 2015, 12:58:35 am
That kind of makes it not bullet hell by definition.So bullet purgatory, then?
"Bullet hell" doesn't have "hell" in it's name for no reason, you know.
Post by: Bauglir on November 12, 2015, 01:29:57 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 12, 2015, 01:57:38 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 12, 2015, 02:03:13 am
Post by: Putnam on November 12, 2015, 02:06:09 am
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 12, 2015, 02:19:09 am
Then again I belong to the 'gotta go fast' school of thought. :P
Post by: BigD145 on November 12, 2015, 09:16:58 am
? No, you're just sorta slow. The controls are perfectly responsive.
You draaaaaag your heart around in the box. I know it shouldn't be too twitchy but getting out of the way of things takes quite a bit of time. This is very prevalent in Asriel's fight. You can turn on a dime, but then you have to wait as you hold down the key to move across the box.
Post by: Putnam on November 12, 2015, 10:55:49 am
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on November 12, 2015, 11:37:11 am
Post by: Sergarr on November 12, 2015, 11:40:17 am
Post by: Putnam on November 12, 2015, 11:42:17 am
Yes. The game is designed around you moving slowly like that.
And to be more specific: I'm fairly sure that there are exactly two enemies in the game who you cannot avoid being damaged by.
Spoiler: Pacifist (click to show/hide)
Post by: monk12 on November 12, 2015, 03:34:47 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 12, 2015, 09:17:51 pm
it worked out way better than expected (obvious genocide run spoilers) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQCf8XvGWmo)
the recording was a bit flubbed (the microphone wasn't turned up enough), but the gameplay went way better than I expected
Post by: Putnam on November 16, 2015, 02:57:23 am
also: i like how toby's actually succeeded pretty well at guilting dataminers into not spoiling the game, the only things I'm really sure they've spoiled are the names of all the Gaster-related stuff (Gaster Blasters, mkid_goner, mystery_man, gaster followers)
Post by: pisskop on November 16, 2015, 05:40:20 am
And you lose 1 xp for 'killing' napstablok there.
So can you go negative?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 16, 2015, 07:17:22 am
Post by: Putnam on November 16, 2015, 11:29:34 am
As a mild curiousity, you do pacifist and get no XP, yea?
And you lose 1 xp for 'killing' napstablok there.
So can you go negative?
Note the gag I sorta made there. "I still don't know what experience points are". You get -1 experience point for beating him, not -1 EXP.
Post by: BigD145 on November 16, 2015, 11:31:40 am
As a mild curiousity, you do pacifist and get no XP, yea?
And you lose 1 xp for 'killing' napstablok there.
So can you go negative?
Note the gag I sorta made there. "I still don't know what experience points are". You get -1 experience point for beating him, not -1 EXP.
EXtreme Prejudice
Post by: Qmarx on November 16, 2015, 01:34:50 pm
Yes. The game is designed around you moving slowly like that.
And to be more specific: I'm fairly sure that there are exactly two enemies in the game who you cannot avoid being damaged by.Spoiler: Pacifist (click to show/hide)
It's totally avoidable. Just hard to do.
Post by: SalmonGod on November 16, 2015, 09:05:55 pm
Post by: monk12 on November 16, 2015, 10:47:02 pm
working out REALLY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G25mJSJoGg&index=1&list=PL0cP8Js03dUHm-K2n10B9GQQvInTD-P9j) well
Impressive, sir!
Post by: Aedel on November 19, 2015, 06:52:18 pm
Yes. The game is designed around you moving slowly like that.
And to be more specific: I'm fairly sure that there are exactly two enemies in the game who you cannot avoid being damaged by.Spoiler: Pacifist (click to show/hide)
The only points in the game where you are required to take damage are
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Post by: pisskop on November 19, 2015, 06:54:58 pm
Post by: Aedel on November 19, 2015, 06:56:06 pm
Doesnt sans cause unavoidable damage by throwing you around?
Forgot about him. That too. So the three points where you have to take damage are all scripted.
Post by: miauw62 on November 20, 2015, 11:15:04 am
this is worse than omega flowey already, in a way.
im not sure i can do this
Post by: monk12 on November 20, 2015, 08:00:36 pm
i just started a genocide run
this is worse than omega flowey already, in a way.
im not sure i can do this
Just wait, man.
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Though in some ways I feel like the death animations on a neutral run are worse, particularly Undyne.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 20, 2015, 09:52:05 pm
A terrified kid killing someone out of self preservation is terrible. An omnicidal kid killing someone with absurd damage in a single hit is funny, empowering, and terrible.
Though in some ways I feel like the death animations on a neutral run are worse, particularly Undyne.
Post by: TherosPherae on November 20, 2015, 11:52:46 pm
i just started a genocide run
this is worse than omega flowey already, in a way.
im not sure i can do this
Just wait, man.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though in some ways I feel like the death animations on a neutral run are worse, particularly Undyne.
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 21, 2015, 01:31:59 am
Spoiler: Spoiler I guess? (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on November 21, 2015, 05:20:22 am
Post by: Putnam on November 21, 2015, 05:22:27 am
i mean someone released a new hopes and dreams midi and that one's been used BUT
it still bothers me that people do things that, uh, lazily?
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 21, 2015, 05:28:54 am
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Post by: Putnam on November 21, 2015, 05:43:45 am
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 21, 2015, 05:46:13 am
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on November 21, 2015, 06:15:45 am
Post by: werty892 on November 21, 2015, 08:57:27 pm
I had to tell someone.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 22, 2015, 12:17:20 am
Post by: Aedel on November 22, 2015, 02:54:21 am
Oh, you meant to fight the true last boss. I was just talking about Flowey, although now I think of it not having a save file does seem like it might have an effect on some dialogue in that part too.
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It says something like that.
Post by: AlleeCat on November 24, 2015, 02:44:13 pm
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Post by: monk12 on November 24, 2015, 03:52:36 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 06, 2015, 06:48:14 am
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Post by: monk12 on December 06, 2015, 09:00:55 pm
So with that discussion about Bible allegories, some Youtube comment just made a very good point:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Welp, that's my new headcanon.
Post by: Aedel on December 06, 2015, 11:42:55 pm
http://imgur.com/a/AwWn0
Post by: Putnam on December 06, 2015, 11:51:45 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on December 06, 2015, 11:53:20 pm
Post by: BluarianKnight on December 07, 2015, 10:42:58 am
I played Genocide just so I could kill Temmie.
I had to tell someone.
I SHALL DESTROY YOU AND EAT YOUR OWN CORPSE YOU MONSTER.
*joke aside as I am not being serious above plz dont kill me*
I have actually spoiled the legitimate entire game to myself and have barely played it. I might do a single run just to find Temmie and experience the pure joy of those fuzzy creatures.
Also, to get the Temmie Armor legitimately.. as quickly as possible. Then to beat the game with it.
Post by: Qmarx on December 08, 2015, 09:12:17 pm
*The world has passed into the age of emptiness.
But Nobody Came (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46033.msg921455#msg921455).
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 08, 2015, 09:16:44 pm
Post by: BigD145 on December 08, 2015, 09:25:24 pm
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Post by: Putnam on December 08, 2015, 09:29:26 pm
I'm just getting to the end of pure peaceful andSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Cue a really slowed down version of Flowey's Theme. (https://youtu.be/uK0CTU_ThUM)
oh yeah I made a video showing all the uses of flowey's leitmotifs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDaVfyj0VTE)
...SUPER HEAVY SPOILERS HAHA
Post by: Aedel on December 08, 2015, 09:30:23 pm
I'm just getting to the end of pure peaceful andSpoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 08, 2015, 09:50:09 pm
More importantly, I wonder how all of her many, ahem, "fans" would feel about knowing she's probably about the same age as, or possibly even younger than, the protagonist.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 08, 2015, 09:57:18 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on December 08, 2015, 10:12:36 pm
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No offense Son but that last sentence in your spoiler looks a little... drunk. >.>
Cleaned it up. I have no idea how i managed to not see that letter diarrhea. I blame being up and writing posts past 4 am. Thanks.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on December 08, 2015, 10:15:09 pm
Post by: noirscape on December 11, 2015, 02:19:09 pm
"Oh look! The weird cat like creature messes up grammar and capitalization! I love it so much"
Funny/weird characters are good for a story, but Temmie just felt lik forcing a meme on the playerbase.
Aside from hating Temmie, the game itself is really good. Just don't go down Genocide or you will have a bad time. ;)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 11, 2015, 02:32:47 pm
Post by: DragonDePlatino on December 11, 2015, 03:13:06 pm
As much as I love Undertale, there is one thing I just can't like: Temmie's. They just aren't funny to me.
I didn't enjoy the Temmies too much either but I thought they were a cool homage. Since the MOTHER series had such a huge influence on UNDERTALE, Toby Fox probably added them to the game as a reference to the Mr. Saturns. Like the Mr. Saturns, they have unintelligible dialogue, goofy music and an entire town dedicated to them.
Similarly, LISA: The Painful RPG was influenced by the MOTHER series and it had the Fishmen and Fishmen Town.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on December 11, 2015, 04:04:05 pm
Post by: Oneir on December 11, 2015, 05:40:53 pm
Post by: birdy51 on December 11, 2015, 05:47:59 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2015, 10:41:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL5STXqyBK4
Post by: Qmarx on December 12, 2015, 02:46:53 am
I met Temmie, but I simply figured it was just another enemy!
Special Enemy Temmie is here to defeat you!!!
Post by: Aedel on December 17, 2015, 03:12:39 am
This is an absolutely lovely fan fight someone made. I strongly suggest it.
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on December 17, 2015, 04:03:48 am
Then I spared her anyway.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 17, 2015, 10:42:46 am
I 'defeated' her first try. It involved getting very lucky with the bombs though.
Post by: TempAcc on December 17, 2015, 11:51:55 am
Post by: DragonDePlatino on December 17, 2015, 03:14:29 pm
Post by: BluarianKnight on December 17, 2015, 04:07:42 pm
As much as I love Undertale, there is one thing I just can't like: Temmie's. They just aren't funny to me.
"Oh look! The weird cat like creature messes up grammar and capitalization! I love it so much"
Funny/weird characters are good for a story, but Temmie just felt lik forcing a meme on the playerbase.
Aside from hating Temmie, the game itself is really good. Just don't go down Genocide or you will have a bad time. ;)
..Ehh.. Temmies, like said before, are a reference to the one person who actually put decent effort into Undertale. They've become a fan classic, and are also a good reference to Mr. Saturn.
..They are a fan favorite to many, and I'm somewhat surprised you haven't been ratted out yet.
Post by: Putnam on December 17, 2015, 04:28:00 pm
As much as I love Undertale, there is one thing I just can't like: Temmie's. They just aren't funny to me.
"Oh look! The weird cat like creature messes up grammar and capitalization! I love it so much"
Funny/weird characters are good for a story, but Temmie just felt lik forcing a meme on the playerbase.
Aside from hating Temmie, the game itself is really good. Just don't go down Genocide or you will have a bad time. ;)
the one person who actually put decent effort into Undertale.
???
and i don't mean "who is temmie", i mean "wow are you implying the rest of the game has no effort put into it"
Post by: BigD145 on December 17, 2015, 09:21:08 pm
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Post by: Trapezohedron on December 17, 2015, 09:43:24 pm
The catch is, due to Steam restrictions, you must be on one of the countries to sign up so i can trade it when you win. Go visit and sign up on Aristabulus' thread if you want a chance to win!
(Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia. No, I don't get why Vietnam isn't there.)
Post by: monk12 on December 17, 2015, 10:05:28 pm
I have finally beaten the game on full peaceful.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Yellow Names (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cthulhu on December 17, 2015, 10:55:20 pm
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Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 17, 2015, 10:58:50 pm
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Post by: Trapezohedron on December 17, 2015, 11:03:30 pm
Here's a spoilery kind of question. Please avoid any actual plot spoilers here though and just give me an idea.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 17, 2015, 11:06:43 pm
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Post by: Aedel on December 18, 2015, 01:03:40 am
Here's a spoilery kind of question. Please avoid any actual plot spoilers here though and just give me an idea.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Bauglir on December 18, 2015, 02:29:14 am
Spoiler: No Judgment Here (click to show/hide)
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To answer your question, I don't feel it's that serious (you might), I don't think it ruins experience, and I don't think you'd want to delete anything, but I would recommend doing it second.
Post by: Cthulhu on December 18, 2015, 10:48:55 am
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Post by: Putnam on December 18, 2015, 02:54:51 pm
Seriously, holy shit people are quick to call it an asshole game for shit that doesn't exist.
Not talking about anyone here, but it's really common.
Post by: Sergarr on December 18, 2015, 04:37:08 pm
It is not an asshole game.Counter-point: Flowey.
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 18, 2015, 05:19:49 pm
It is not an asshole game.Counter-point: Flowey.
For those people who are quick to get scared or have triggers to [highlight text] horrific abominations, the Photoshop Flowey/Omega Flowey fight is a kick in the shins and not everyone can get past it because it's frakkn creepy.
Post by: miauw62 on December 18, 2015, 05:44:07 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 18, 2015, 06:15:03 pm
I personally really liked the idea of 'the game where no one has to die'. It's what drew me in, and I can proudly say I didn't kill anyone, even by accident.
Post by: monk12 on December 18, 2015, 07:17:25 pm
And because I can, I had to.
And we all know where that thought leads.
Post by: bluejello on December 18, 2015, 07:21:38 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2015, 09:01:08 pm
(Edit: Well, actually, you are told to hurt one other guy, the robot, but not in the normal way I guess)
Post by: Aedel on December 18, 2015, 09:11:21 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2015, 09:23:38 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on December 18, 2015, 09:37:31 pm
Post by: Aedel on December 18, 2015, 09:41:49 pm
It actually does seem different from most games that make you feel bad for doing bad things in that it never tells to to kill anything. Not killing things is the correct option, and it makes sure to tell you this.
I like that the game actually doesn't hammer you for killing people. Sans will say he understands self defense if you haven't butchered everything in your path. He only starts
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Well, I did all the things afterwards and such.
Did you pay Alphys a visit?
Post by: Criptfeind on December 18, 2015, 09:42:55 pm
Did you pay Alphys a visit?
yes
Post by: Aedel on December 18, 2015, 09:45:18 pm
Did you pay Alphys a visit?
yes
You got the pacifist ending, yeah
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Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2015, 09:46:50 pm
I like that the game actually doesn't hammer you for killing people. Sans will say he understands self defense if you haven't butchered everything in your path. He only startsYeah the game is actually super relaxed about judging you morally.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Vgray on December 18, 2015, 11:18:44 pm
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Post by: Cthulhu on December 19, 2015, 12:28:33 am
Spops failed at making you care because it forced you to kill them and they were all square-jawed call of duty mans.
That game's doing something different though, by adhering so closely to the standard tropes it exposes how heinous a lot of the shit you do in those games is. Far Cry 2 is similar but not as in your face; the inherent difficulty of the game and the sandbox nature of it lets you do a lot of things that would be war crimes in real life, and it never rubs it in your face.
It lets you stick with the Dragunov instead of buying the Barrett because the Barrett kills in one shot and that means you can't shoot people trying to help their friends. It doesn't comment on what you're doing. If you don't realize that you've become a war criminal and a worse influence on the country than any of the game's "villains" then that's your thing.
It doesn't force you to shoot people and then say you're bad when you do it.
Post by: Aleksanderus on December 19, 2015, 06:20:05 am
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Post by: Leafsnail on December 19, 2015, 03:51:34 pm
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Post by: Sonlirain on December 19, 2015, 05:57:59 pm
The first thing I did in this game was basically murdering everyone (and by that I began my genocide route) and it turned out that undertale is a very sad game but mainly in genocide route.
If you ask me killing Undyne on normal is sadder.
Genocide kinda lets you distance yourself (in and out of universe) so it does not hurt as much. Normal is where the feels are at.
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There's obviously a reason it got memed so hard though, it's great.
All I mean by what I posted was that I saved a copy of my true pacifist save before I did genocide, so I can pretend they're all safe and happy. The sense of responsibility towards those pixels is really intense, there really is nothing like it. I found myself making bets with the bosses, like "If you can beat me this time, I'll reset and do a true pacifist run"
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For a long time I've wanted to write a horror story that... I dunno how to really put it. I want to write a story that acknowledges the "transactional nature" of reading, as your freshman critical theory professor might put it. That reminds the reader that he has a part in the story too. Talking to the reader directly and encouraging him to do what readers usually do: filling in blanks, creating the details of the scenery, etc.
Create one of those agonizing dramatic irony moments and telling the reader to insert himself into the story and warn the character.
And through all of that, gently reminding the reader that by reading it he's actualizing what happens, that all the bad things that happen to the characters are happening because he's reading it. If he just put the book down it'd all go away, but he won't of course.
But it'd take a lot of work to do that in a way that wasn't overbearing or gimmicky. Still mulling it over.
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Post by: Trapezohedron on December 20, 2015, 06:43:09 pm
As for me, the sight of Toby succeeding makes me think there is still hope for aspiring artists to excel, and thus made me give a review of my skillset and try to improve it.
From fatalism to optimism that I'll be able to do anything if I give my mind to it. And so, that is why I like Undertale so much.
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For what it's worth, Undertale taught me not to give up. In the meta sense, Toby Fox just tried publishing his first commercial game and gave it his all. End result is that everyone got to play an emotional game which gave them the DETERMINATION to push through life and its many facets.Seeing the success of an indie dev, knowing the one day he will eat the cheese, it fills you with determination.
As for me, the sight of Toby succeeding makes me think there is still hope for aspiring artists to excel, and thus made me give a review of my skillset and try to improve it.
From fatalism to optimism that I'll be able to do anything if I give my mind to it. And so, that is why I like Undertale so much.
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Post by: Leafsnail on December 20, 2015, 08:19:51 pm
That still doesn't make sense. Am I in the game? Who is he talking to at the end of genocide?
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It didn't occur to me until just now but if this game had come out when the graphics suggest it would've come out, the genocide ending would've been one of those spooky rumors your friend told you about at lunch, that if you stay in the first room nad kill all the monsters everything gets scary and everybody's dead.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 21, 2015, 09:25:38 am
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on December 21, 2015, 10:07:48 am
my youtube comments and some stuff i've seen on reddit suggests that a lot of people just, uh, don't know that leitmotifs were a big thing way before undertale
like yes undertale has great usage of it, very great
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i've seen people complain about it, accuse it of being lazy
i really want to do a few leitmotif videos for, like, final fantasy X or something, like one for suteki da ne and one for to zanarkand etc.
just to be like
"dude undertale didn't invent this"
oh, and at least undertale mostly actually has new pieces of music for different situations, how many times does organization XIII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ydhcIhLbM) or sora's theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfMFyrJ2kA) show up in kingdom hearts goddamn
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Post by: miauw62 on December 21, 2015, 10:12:20 am
The secrets you can get via trickery also look a lot like those spooky urban legends.
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I thought it was best when it was funny, in the first couple chapters. After that who even knew what the fuck was going on anymore.
Is Megalovania from homestuck?
Anybody who thinks leitmotifs are lazy is pretty dumb, though.
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e: Megalovania vs Vriska's theme would be a good example of musical callbacks
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Post by: Cerol Lenslens on December 21, 2015, 09:03:13 pm
It's not just homestruck, I think the motif is sort of Toby's signature at this point. It'll probably pop up again in his future games.
Basically, yeah. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpF93JeQRrc)
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 21, 2015, 09:05:45 pm
It's not just homestruck, I think the motif is sort of Toby's signature at this point. It'll probably pop up again in his future games.
Basically, yeah. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpF93JeQRrc)
It also got used in one other Earthbound Romhack.
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undersaleI see what you did there.
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Post by: kaijyuu on December 25, 2015, 11:41:02 am
I've seen many, many things try to guilt you for killing mooks in video games. Yes, that goomba probably had a family somewhere. That soldier you shot is some kid who just wanted to protect people. Etc etc.
Undertale is by far the most effective at actually conveying that message I've seen. Why? Because you're not shown a dehumanized enemy and berated afterward; you're shown a person from the get go and rewarded with friendship if you extend mercy. Positive reinforcement.
It's true that in real life we should extend empathy to people we don't know anything about. But to actually get that message across, it needs to be shown that there is in fact a person within those faceless individuals we can so easily dismiss.
In closing, temmietale is gud game. Tem out of Tem. You're gonna have a good time.
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"Boom, nailed it, what an appropriate thing to say after shooting a man in the head." - Dunkey
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Post by: Aedel on December 28, 2015, 03:24:21 am
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Totalbiscuit gave Undertale his #1 game of the year, btw.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on December 28, 2015, 04:54:10 pm
And yeah, I'm not surprised anyone would pick it, but I'm not sure if it's my #1 of 2015. I've played some good games this year... It's certainly up there, though.
Post by: AlleeCat on December 28, 2015, 05:42:25 pm
Also, I figured it out because I fled the first time, and then it told me when I came back "Is there a way you can show mercy without fighting or running away?"
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Post by: Putnam on December 28, 2015, 07:11:39 pm
This isn't unique to you at all, this is where like 95% of the myths in the undertale community come from. It's a gigantic problem. This game takes into account of a lot of situations in very smart ways, so it might seem like it's reacting to something very specific when it's actually more general.
Post by: Cerol Lenslens on December 29, 2015, 01:12:23 am
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Post by: miauw62 on December 29, 2015, 07:50:38 am
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Post by: Nighthawk on December 30, 2015, 11:13:00 am
So like, yeah. This is definitely also my GotY.It also wins the award for generating the most spoiler tags ever. >.<
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Dodging things is fun.
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Post by: BFEL on December 30, 2015, 10:02:43 pm
Apparently it took them 96 hours total to get trained/lucky enough to give him a bad time.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 31, 2015, 03:56:34 am
Welp someone got a no-hit on Photoshop Flowey, if it wasn't already mentioned earlier.That fight...
Apparently it took them 96 hours total to get trained/lucky enough to give him a bad time.
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Post by: Trapezohedron on December 31, 2015, 04:00:41 am
Welp someone got a no-hit on Photoshop Flowey, if it wasn't already mentioned earlier.That fight...
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 31, 2015, 07:11:26 am
Edit:
Also, in case anyone wasn't aware, there's some funny fan content for underatle on youtube.
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Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 31, 2015, 10:42:32 am
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Post by: monk12 on December 31, 2015, 04:00:16 pm
Also, in case anyone wasn't aware, there's some funny fan content for underatle on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIMMmnNeKM
They can be a tiny bit spoilery. This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TzVOLOROkM) is more spoilery, and also not really funny per se, but you should watch it anyway if you already know what's up.
There's a lot of good community stuff out there, but Parent Teacher Conference is pretty much exactly how I imagine the postgame of True Pacifist, and Stronger Than You is why Sans is my hero.
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I just fell in music-love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7Acy1XOhc
did you know? toby fox made a brodyquest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygI-2F8ApUM) remix of megalovania a few years back
oh yes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANOZouxJMmo)
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Post by: Rolepgeek on January 09, 2016, 05:43:31 pm
It's...sorta depressing, though. In some ways, even more so than the Genocide ending. Though I haven't really thought of it's true ending yet, so... I dunno.
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If there's a sequel, I hope it's a complete break, maybe featuring monsters elsewhere. The game pretty comprehensively covers everything that there is to cover about all the characters.
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If there is an expansion on the game, I'd honestly prefer the DLC route. A full sequel wouldn't have quite the same impact as the original game, since the original game kinda already did the whole "you don't have to kill anybody, but you can reach multiple endings by killing or not killing certain people" thing.
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 10, 2016, 11:21:48 pm
Did I ever mention how unbelievably happy I am that this game got big? By the time I had beaten it, I was expecting its fandom to be like Homestuck's, but even more niche. I knew it would be a game that I would recommend to everyone who had every played video games, but I didn't expect it to get big.I think that's all of us, Putnam.
This game is awesome.
Post by: Moghjubar on January 11, 2016, 12:26:03 am
Did I ever mention how unbelievably happy I am that this game got big? By the time I had beaten it, I was expecting its fandom to be like Homestuck's, but even more niche. I knew it would be a game that I would recommend to everyone who had every played video games, but I didn't expect it to get big.I think that's all of us, Putnam.
This game is awesome.
Seeing the success of Undertale fills you with Determination.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 11, 2016, 06:15:26 am
Aaaand that's going to the laugh thread!Seeing the success of Undertale fills you with Determination.Did I ever mention how unbelievably happy I am that this game got big? By the time I had beaten it, I was expecting its fandom to be like Homestuck's, but even more niche. I knew it would be a game that I would recommend to everyone who had every played video games, but I didn't expect it to get big.I think that's all of us, Putnam.
This game is awesome.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 11, 2016, 06:40:01 am
If there's one thing I could remove from the fanbase, it would be the '(everything) fills you with determination' meme. It's probably the worst video game meme ever, and that's including 'arrow to the knee'.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 11, 2016, 06:45:18 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 11, 2016, 07:55:34 am
They're all FOREBODEN.
ok sheesh. yee haw
Post by: monk12 on January 11, 2016, 11:46:07 am
You mean the 'beating a dead horse' thread? :P
If there's one thing I could remove from the fanbase, it would be the '(everything) fills you with determination' meme. It's probably the worst video game meme ever, and that's including 'arrow to the knee'.
I dunno, "The Cake is a Lie" got pretty grating by month six. At least being filled with determination is vaguely inspiring.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 11, 2016, 01:03:24 pm
You mean the 'beating a dead horse' thread? :P
If there's one thing I could remove from the fanbase, it would be the '(everything) fills you with determination' meme. It's probably the worst video game meme ever, and that's including 'arrow to the knee'.
determination fills you with determination (to not laugh)
Post by: Moghjubar on January 11, 2016, 03:14:21 pm
You mean the 'beating a dead horse' thread? :P
If there's one thing I could remove from the fanbase, it would be the '(everything) fills you with determination' meme. It's probably the worst video game meme ever, and that's including 'arrow to the knee'.
I used to be filled with Determination like you, until I took an arrow to the knee.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 11, 2016, 04:16:00 pm
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also hi
Post by: BigD145 on January 11, 2016, 04:46:12 pm
You mean the 'beating a dead horse' thread? :P
If there's one thing I could remove from the fanbase, it would be the '(everything) fills you with determination' meme. It's probably the worst video game meme ever, and that's including 'arrow to the knee'.
I used to be filled with Determination like you, until I took an arrow to the knee.
One can only eat cake if they take an arrow of determination to the knee.
I'll see myself out. Tell goatmom I love her.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 11, 2016, 05:06:33 pm
I'll see myself out. Tell goatmom I love her.
*chooses 'flirt' option
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 11, 2016, 05:08:46 pm
Personally, I find the infinite copying of "you're gonna have a bad time" more irritating than sticking "fills you with determination" onto everything.
also hi
Youtube comments on megalovania videos:
69% people posting variations on "have a bad time"
29% people arguing about how much they hate people who bring up homestuck on Undertale versions
2% people bringing up homestuck on undertale versions
Post by: BlackFlyme on January 11, 2016, 05:16:26 pm
also hi
hOI!!!
Post by: Putnam on January 11, 2016, 05:41:16 pm
Personally, I find the infinite copying of "you're gonna have a bad time" more irritating than sticking "fills you with determination" onto everything.
also hi
Youtube comments on megalovania videos:
69% people posting variations on "have a bad time"
29% people arguing about how much they hate people who bring up homestuck on Undertale versions
2% people bringing up homestuck on undertale versions
you forgot the weird group of people who seem to think that Toby composed for Earthbound when he was a toddler
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Post by: monk12 on January 11, 2016, 06:56:27 pm
Trival question for the lot of ye: what sort of anime do you think Undyne and Alyphs like? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any specific titles were named.
Well, if TvTropes is to be believed then Alphys is a fan of Tokyo Mew Mew by another name, while Undyne makes reference to an anime that sounds suspiciously like Code Geas.
Not having watched either of them, I can't judge how likely it is. I can't think of much that ties Undyne to Gurren Lagann that can't be explained by conventions of the genre, but I'm sure if she saw the in-universe equivalent she'd love it.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 11, 2016, 07:00:50 pm
Gurren Lagann of course. (https://youtu.be/50wVIZDo5Mc) What else did you expect?Fun fact: I know someone whose entire way of interacting with people was defined by Gurren Lagann. As in, their close friend knew them before and after they watched the show and can confirm.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on January 11, 2016, 08:56:26 pm
Trival question for the lot of ye: what sort of anime do you think Undyne and Alyphs like? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any specific titles were named.
It seems like she mentions big giant fighting robots (Tons of examples), princess knights (There's a bunch here as well), and weird niche stuff like Fighting Milkmen (Pick a widget series)
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Post by: Rolepgeek on January 11, 2016, 09:39:00 pm
There is a suspicious lack of remixes combining Dummy!/Ghost Fight and MEGALOVANIA.
Does anyone know of one that I just haven't been able to find?
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Post by: Trapezohedron on January 11, 2016, 09:57:56 pm
Had I the skills I'd get to it myself.
Post by: Sergarr on January 11, 2016, 11:51:57 pm
hey don't speak for everyoneDid I ever mention how unbelievably happy I am that this game got big? By the time I had beaten it, I was expecting its fandom to be like Homestuck's, but even more niche. I knew it would be a game that I would recommend to everyone who had every played video games, but I didn't expect it to get big.I think that's all of us, Putnam.
This game is awesome.
I'm still staying by my personal opinion that this game is bad for me.
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 12, 2016, 01:11:14 am
I value the game more for its direction than anything; if you don't develop a liking to the characters, you will never like Undertale, period. Not to mention if you're not into emotional sappy-happy shit, you probably won't like it either.
It just so happens that Toby's sincerity shows here clearly, and I appreciate that, for what it is; for being inspirational to many people.
It's not daily you get to see someone pour out their emotions and people think it's the best game ever, for some reason.
One that is done by an indie dev, no less.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 12, 2016, 01:19:37 am
Undertale is simple and elegant enough to get into easily, and yet it's basic structure manages to dig deep into an engaging story, and it's all put together beautifully with a nice retro style. The game is hardly perfect, but no game is. Hell, no art is perfect. But it's something people just don't get to see every day, at least not in the large-scale market, it's accessible, and if you can connect to the story, it really does a good job of hooking you.
Also the music is godlike. I know people who don't like the game and listen to the music anyway because sweet baby Jesus, Toby can build some tunes.
Post by: Putnam on January 12, 2016, 01:39:04 am
also IIRC this was Toby (https://soundcloud.com/geminisuns/penumbra-phantasm-live-2012) on piano as well (I'm fairly sure, the part of Penumbra Phantasm you hear at the start lines up perfectly with the unreleased song, of which we have 8 seconds)
And by some mild induction, he probably played piano in this song too (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/moonsetter)
wait why am I posting songs where he plays piano
whatever, he also does in Last Goodbye
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 12, 2016, 10:17:55 am
A lot of people just haven't seen a game with concepts like this before. Most people are familiar with the heavily watered-down concepts of choice and meaning presented by modern AAA games, with only passing awareness of older games that might have had the same interesting ideas because of various issues like them being too dated to get into or outright unavailable.
Undertale is simple and elegant enough to get into easily, and yet it's basic structure manages to dig deep into an engaging story, and it's all put together beautifully with a nice retro style. The game is hardly perfect, but no game is. Hell, no art is perfect. But it's something people just don't get to see every day, at least not in the large-scale market, it's accessible, and if you can connect to the story, it really does a good job of hooking you.
Also the music is godlike. I know people who don't like the game and listen to the music anyway because sweet baby Jesus, Toby can build some tunes.
The guy can impromptu a Touhou soundtrack, for one.
Post by: Neonivek on January 12, 2016, 10:20:18 am
That is why they are what they are. They will never be "good as a whole" ever again because the market has changed where the "General audience" includes the bland grey that is "everyone" because games are no longer a niche market.
So it isn't quite fair to give Undertale a game that tried to appeal to an audience of select people, and thus was the best it could be... to a Triple A which needs to appeal to everyone and thus is muted.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 12, 2016, 10:32:33 am
Yeah, that was somewhat sarcastic, but I do agree with your point Neo. AAA games can be fun but they do often get a bit... samey.
EDIT AFTER NEO'S EDIT: I guess I'm just old, but I miss the days when games were a niche market. The PS1, for example, was rife with a lot of experimental and unique games. Clocktower, Parappa, LSD Dream Simulator, Monster Rancher, Bushido Blade, Symphony of the Night innovating the 'metroidvania' genre. Hell, Klonoa was a good take on platformers, and had (in my opinion) one of the saddest endings in a game ever.
Post by: Neonivek on January 12, 2016, 10:37:05 am
Heck I'd probably go as far as to say that no Triple A will ever be a rather original product. Well depending on how much I stretch that definition... Destiny was kind of unique even if it was a shooter RPG ala Mass Effect.
It is why Kickstarted projects like this are nice, because the audience pays for the risk.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 12, 2016, 12:24:24 pm
As for AAAs, I wouldn't say there's complete stagnation. The 'good old stuff' sells a lot better than experimentals. This is true for everything, not just Call of Duty. Those old-school 2D Marios they've come out with for the Wii and WiiU, Mario Kart, Pokemon, all of them benefit heavily in the sales department from being basically the same. People cry for new stuff, but most people are only willing to put money out for stuff that there's public awareness of.
Undertale caught on not necessarily because it's a good game, but it caught on because people who have massive followings, game critics and let's players, all found it and decreed it was a good game. Marketing means basically everything, and a lot of cult classics weren't official classics because they didn't have the market appeal to pull off the big stuff.
Nintendo, unlike many other companies that do AAA, does try to innovate in ways that aren't 'trying to get more mass-market appeal', but they have to spend a lot of time making the next Mario platformer to raise the funds.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 12, 2016, 02:18:48 pm
ASGORE cover. <3 <3
Edit:
Spoiler: It's dangerous to go alone (click to show/hide)
Undyne's genocide theme remix <3 <3 <3
Post by: miauw62 on January 12, 2016, 02:27:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IarF06JKANg
ASGORE cover. <3 <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUcovUfA9So
\m/ ASGORE COVER \m/
E: (https://dmdokuro.bandcamp.com/album/undertale-the-underground-radio)
Post by: kaijyuu on January 12, 2016, 05:14:08 pm
You're gonna have a bed time. (http://foiledyetagain.tumblr.com/post/137132086982/youre-gonna-have-a-bedtime-sans-pillow-finished)
Post by: Sirus on January 12, 2016, 07:05:13 pm
(Neutral run spoilers, beware, etc)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 12, 2016, 07:37:28 pm
My opinion on AAA games is that they're hamstrung by their own massive production costs. Who would buy a AAA game that looks as good or worse than the previous generation? So so much money needs to get dumped into graphics, and now that near photorealistic virtual humans are a thing, into actors. So they need to charge a lot, and they need to appeal to a large audience and a reliable one. Innovation in AAA games tends to be going one step further than the inspiration went... which I can actually respect.
I think its interesting people are calling out Nintendo as innovators because Nintendo has finds new answers to "why is this game better than the past" besides graphical fidelity. Usually gimmicky motion controls or adding other screens but I would point out that they aren't married to expensive graphics in the way that other developers are. Nintendo has cheaper production values and a core cast of characters and series that can reliably bring fans in on recognition or nostalgia, and this means they can risk releasing a stinker without ruining their own finances. They also understand you can have new graphics without having better graphics (*cough* Wind Waker *cough*)
What I like about video games is that the existence of AAA games doesn't prevent the niche/Indy games from existing; I think they both co-exist nicely. One thing that I've always found odd about AAA games is they'll list half a hundred graphics designers and then have a story that reads like a programmer wrote it and a generic soundtrack. Indy games can still compete by pushing the envelope along other directions than the AAA games are. Name a AAA game with a better soundtrack than FTL, Frozen Synapse or, well, Undertale. Name a AAA game that's funnier than Undertale. Even if you have an answer you had to think about it didn't you?
Anyway, Undertale... I would actually describe Undertale as a mass appeal game. The main character is designed to be androgynous, racially ambiguous, and (despite explicitly being a child) to act in a way that blends multiple age groups. The puzzles are old-style filler that exists to provide a breather from the main aspect of the game which is why they are easy. The no mercy run is hidden away and in the neutral run the monsters aren't trying very hard to kill you at the start. The first two bosses
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Post by: Sirus on January 12, 2016, 09:25:52 pm
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Post by: Rolepgeek on January 12, 2016, 09:35:00 pm
It's a really well written one, and it's one where you have agency and replay value and it's really intriguing, but you don't play Undertale for the gameplay. You play it for the story. Toby made Frisk ambiguous gender and race because neither gender nor race of the single human in the game are relevant. They're a kid. And while they can display a surprising amount of charity, that's easily chalked up to the age of their SOUL.
I wouldn't say the tutorial area being easy is really a meaningful way to say the game's designed to be easy. It's not particularly hard, that's true, but again, it's for the story.
Post by: Arcvasti on January 12, 2016, 10:21:52 pm
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 13, 2016, 12:49:57 am
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Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 01:07:23 am
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Post by: Sergarr on January 13, 2016, 01:16:04 am
Not to mention if you're not into emotional sappy-happy shit, you probably won't like it either.It's not the whole problem, actually. It's that I'm way too sensitive for emotional sappy-happy shit in terms of how it effects me, and Undertale's emotional up-down swings are so powerful that they literally make me break down. I never could watch any horror movies because of that, as well...
Post by: Neonivek on January 13, 2016, 01:22:36 am
As for AAAs, I wouldn't say there's complete stagnation.
The way I see it is that the Triple As are the "Too expensive to fail" titles that are low risk.
There is innovation but that is what the cheaper titles do. They are made to inform what Triple As will sell.
It isn't that innovation is gone so much that it isn't the Triple As job to innovate. Triple A's perfect what is already there. It is why Triple As are mostly made up of sequels, clones, and spinoffs with few exceptions (Destiny being one)
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It is why I say it is unfair to compare a Kickstarted game to a Triple A in that respect.
Not to mention if you're not into emotional sappy-happy shit, you probably won't like it either.It's not the whole problem, actually. It's that I'm way too sensitive for emotional sappy-happy shit in terms of how it effects me, and Undertale's emotional up-down swings are so powerful that they literally make me break down. I never could watch any horror movies because of that, as well...
I can understand that... in my current state I can't watch things that are too depressing... because it just makes me depressed.
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 13, 2016, 07:49:26 am
I get what you mean. This tendency of mine to watch things that are cynical is shaping me to be cynical, and this usually results in a "realization" that, surprise, causes me to break down like I never achieved anything of worth at all, among a host of other reasons.Not to mention if you're not into emotional sappy-happy shit, you probably won't like it either.It's not the whole problem, actually. It's that I'm way too sensitive for emotional sappy-happy shit in terms of how it effects me, and Undertale's emotional up-down swings are so powerful that they literally make me break down. I never could watch any horror movies because of that, as well...
Post by: Cthulhu on January 13, 2016, 08:54:39 am
Likewise, there isn't really anything innovative about the core gameplay of something like counterstrike, but the formula is good and the places where it does innovate (like the economy) are well thought out and add useful, interesting dynamics to the core experience.
Innovation on its own doesn't mean much. There's a reason certain gameplay formulas appear over and over.
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 13, 2016, 09:06:08 am
At the same time, innovation can be good. I can't think of another turn-based RPG with combat as engaging as Undertale. I'm sure if another fifteen games rolled around with the same style of timing based attacking (although this goes back to at least Super Mario RPG, and there are probably older games that I don't know about. Still, combined with the next point it feels fresh) and bullet-hell defending I would get sick of it, but right now I'm much happier with this than I am with, say, FFXIII's battle system.
A wonderful and charming animation about everyone's best friend, Flowey. (https://youtu.be/HG-RWA1kbk0)
(Neutral run spoilers, beware, etc)
Also this is a cool animation.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 13, 2016, 09:17:26 am
Post by: Cthulhu on January 13, 2016, 09:25:32 am
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 13, 2016, 10:07:00 am
@Leafsnail: That's a valid point, but I think the gameplay still has to be engaging. For example I've heard people consistently praise LISA, but I didn't get very far because the gameplay bored me (Brad's fighting style was a poor imitation of Legend of Legaia's Arts system and the only companion I'd gotten up to the point I quit was worthless. Also, not a fan of KB&M-only controls for most games).
Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 10:56:52 am
Legend of Dragoon (1997?) has timing-based attacks. You set your character's main combo outside of combat and then in combat when you attack there's a series of timed button presses to execute the combo. More complex combos are stronger than simpler but not if you can't actually complete them. It adds a nice skill element to the gameplay which is good because magic and other alternate combat actions are pretty limited.
2000. It's one of the few RPGs I can actually tolerate playing due to this, alongside UNDERTALE, Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario. I also could tolerate Final Fantasy X since its turns aren't a black box.
Post by: Djohaal on January 13, 2016, 12:13:31 pm
On the upside, I am finding lots of nice Mettaton fanart that isn't rule 34.
Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 12:17:37 pm
you can tell it's unfinished because those fast arpeggios partway through are not even in the song
Post by: YaW on January 13, 2016, 02:13:34 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on January 13, 2016, 02:18:00 pm
Post by: DragonDePlatino on January 13, 2016, 04:32:04 pm
Go in unspoiled. Tell him nothing.
+1
Though, I would mention to him that the game starts off a bit slow. If he's a little bored by the Ruins, assure him the game picks up a afterwards in both difficulty and story.
On a similar note, the only thing my (now-obsessed) friend knew going into UNDERTALE was my reaction to the incredibly-shocking final boss. I completely flipped out in our Steam chat and screamed "WORSE THAN GIYGAS!!!" but refused to tell him anything past that. In the end, I think that might've been the biggest catalyst for him trying out the game. :P
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 13, 2016, 06:04:32 pm
fun fact: this remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=797NpAJcULQ) is literally just an unfinished MIDI i made (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13790475/Hopes%20and%20Dreams.mid) with a soundfont applied on top
you can tell it's unfinished because those fast arpeggios partway through are not even in the song
Guy didn't even bother to program attacks, decays and vibrato. What a mess.
E: As for remixes, I have no idea where to take this. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s1jyGx92TEYm)
Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 08:39:09 pm
fun fact: this remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=797NpAJcULQ) is literally just an unfinished MIDI i made (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13790475/Hopes%20and%20Dreams.mid) with a soundfont applied on top
you can tell it's unfinished because those fast arpeggios partway through are not even in the song
Guy didn't even bother to program attacks, decays and vibrato. What a mess.
E: As for remixes, I have no idea where to take this. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s1jyGx92TEYm)
The NES soundfont that i found online comes with like 5-6 variations of each instrument with various attacks, decays and vibratos each, it's pretty good
like here's a couple examples i recorded in it:
a mashup of the O-man theme from Yume Nikki and MOTHER's 8 melodies (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13790475/omanmelodies.ogg), which I just happened to have the NES soundfont selected for when I recorded
a fallen down 8-bit thing I made to make fun of lazy remixes (using a MIDI i made myself, which sorta ruins the point) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13790475/fallen_down_8bit.mp3)
Post by: Trapezohedron on January 13, 2016, 08:56:52 pm
is that by any chance Magical8bit?
Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 09:03:02 pm
Post by: Cerol Lenslens on January 13, 2016, 09:03:22 pm
Go in unspoiled. Tell him nothing.
+1
Though, I would mention to him that the game starts off a bit slow. If he's a little bored by the Ruins, assure him the game picks up a afterwards in both difficulty and story.
+1 again. If anybody tells you to "play it X way", my advice is to curse their bloodlines to the last generation, throw something at them, and then play it Y way just to spite them.
Spoiler: No, seriously, this is spoilery, dont read if you haven't played. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sirus on January 13, 2016, 11:04:03 pm
Go in unspoiled. Tell him nothing.
+1
Though, I would mention to him that the game starts off a bit slow. If he's a little bored by the Ruins, assure him the game picks up a afterwards in both difficulty and story.
+1 again. If anybody tells you to "play it X way", my advice is to curse their bloodlines to the last generation, throw something at them, and then play it Y way just to spite them.Spoiler: No, seriously, this is spoilery, dont read if you haven't played. (click to show/hide)
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Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 13, 2016, 11:08:50 pm
Eeeexcept in Metal Gear Solid. I enjoy all the hijinx you can get up to and aside from final score pacifism is (mostly, MGS3 had some boss rewards) meaningless in those games anyway. :P
Post by: Putnam on January 13, 2016, 11:32:37 pm
not sure why i did it but i did
Post by: PrivateNomad on January 14, 2016, 12:36:12 am
Post by: itisnotlogical on January 14, 2016, 02:11:06 am
Go in unspoiled. Tell him nothing.
+1
Though, I would mention to him that the game starts off a bit slow. If he's a little bored by the Ruins, assure him the game picks up a afterwards in both difficulty and story.
+1 again. If anybody tells you to "play it X way", my advice is to curse their bloodlines to the last generation, throw something at them, and then play it Y way just to spite them.Spoiler: No, seriously, this is spoilery, dont read if you haven't played. (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: I have no idea what even constitutes a spoiler anymore (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on January 14, 2016, 03:13:58 am
Innovation is valuable when it comes to increasing variety but I think Undertale's key strengths are that it's funny and that it has compelling characters. It would be good even if it didn't try to do anything clever with the medium.
It is still innovative in its own storytelling.
Innovation isn't just something gameplay has, even story has it.
Post by: YaW on January 14, 2016, 05:24:00 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 14, 2016, 10:16:40 pm
Just because the dev worked on it doesn't mean I have to experience it :PSpoiler: I have no idea what even constitutes a spoiler anymore (click to show/hide)
I ain't no completionist.
Post by: Putnam on January 14, 2016, 10:25:48 pm
Toby also refuses to put in achievements because he doesn't want to encourage any particular action.
Post by: Egan_BW on January 14, 2016, 10:47:26 pm
Post by: Bauglir on January 15, 2016, 01:35:31 am
-snip-I am actually okay with this. It only bugs me when folks approach it with a completionist mindset because they want to experience all the content for whatever reason, but at the same time insist on rejecting that very content because it isn't being friendly. If you're happy to take the game for what it is, and you for what you are, that's great.
although spoiler much?
Post by: Rolepgeek on January 15, 2016, 01:43:01 am
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 15, 2016, 02:01:20 am
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Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 15, 2016, 04:55:30 pm
Spoiler: Ending spoilers(ish?) (click to show/hide)
Post by: SeriousConcentrate on January 15, 2016, 05:09:53 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 15, 2016, 05:32:01 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2016, 06:01:40 pm
Post by: DragonDePlatino on January 15, 2016, 08:48:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVYODBCnS0
Post by: Sirus on January 15, 2016, 08:55:23 pm
On a (very glitchy) related note:Possibly intentional, if one of the comments is to be believed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVYODBCnS0
Quote from: windspank530
I guess this is an easter egg, since there's a part involving a switch puzzle in Hotlands where Alphys says she'll help you with the timing. She calls on the third switch, and her text doesn't get stuck.
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2016, 09:02:09 pm
Post by: Cthulufaic on January 16, 2016, 06:11:21 pm
please send help.
Post by: miauw62 on January 16, 2016, 07:34:51 pm
The fact that the game freaks the fuck out when you flip the third switch suggests that that part was specifically programmed as a special case rather than that particular room doing that being a special case.Freaks the fuck out?
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2016, 08:05:24 pm
Post by: miauw62 on January 16, 2016, 08:54:28 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on January 16, 2016, 09:43:10 pm
Post by: Puzzlemaker on January 16, 2016, 10:35:50 pm
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 16, 2016, 10:45:53 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 16, 2016, 10:46:39 pm
So I just got this game, and skipped to the end of this giant comment block to avoid any spoilers.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 16, 2016, 10:48:14 pm
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 16, 2016, 11:26:55 pm
Post by: Noel.se on January 19, 2016, 03:29:44 pm
The ruins theme is now sans 's trombone playing over and over.
I am pleased.
Post by: monk12 on January 19, 2016, 03:42:10 pm
Trying out a randomizer.
The ruins theme is now sans trombone playing over and over.
I am pleased.
That's actually hilarious.
Post by: Putnam on January 20, 2016, 11:48:39 am
To be exact, abc_123_a.ogg was replaced with a much weirder message (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0BgtvCTf94X) and the "pls don't datamine" sprite was replaced with some Earthbound dialogue when you say your favorite food is "bepis" (http://i.imgur.com/YNC8cwr.png).
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Post by: umiman on January 20, 2016, 06:04:23 pm
Post by: Sirus on January 20, 2016, 06:09:01 pm
I don't know if anyone posted this crossover comic yet: http://sirartwork.tumblr.com/post/134926529353/the-crossover-that-no-one-asked-forStill not a Serious Punch.
(yay stupid crossovers)
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 20, 2016, 06:09:55 pm
I don't know if anyone posted this crossover comic yet: http://sirartwork.tumblr.com/post/134926529353/the-crossover-that-no-one-asked-for
FLASGRANT SYSTEM ERROR COMPUTER OVER
Post by: Putnam on January 20, 2016, 06:11:01 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 20, 2016, 06:18:53 pm
I don't know if anyone posted this crossover comic yet: http://sirartwork.tumblr.com/post/134926529353/the-crossover-that-no-one-asked-forFlowey continues to live out his role as downer Deadpool.
Post by: Putnam on January 21, 2016, 01:44:05 am
in fact, it's designed in such a way that it and all that it contains basically only works as a bullet hell JRPG, since every single game mechanic is an in-universe thing
(which is why totalbiscuit likes it so much)
so this game is the first time I've thought about making a mod and honestly just said:
"nah i'd rather just play the game"
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 21, 2016, 02:00:56 am
"nah i'd rather just play the game"
*record scratch*
Post by: Putnam on January 21, 2016, 02:04:56 am
I'd much rather just play Undertale than try to make a mod out of it because doing so won't help me understand *anything* better
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 22, 2016, 07:43:06 pm
Hey, you can totally no-hit Omega Flowey. That attack just pops up if you spend too long in the zone where his regular attacks can barely hurt you at all. Pretty sure he later posted a No-Hit for the fight.Yes. The game is designed around you moving slowly like that.
And to be more specific: I'm fairly sure that there are exactly two enemies in the game who you cannot avoid being damaged by.Spoiler: Pacifist (click to show/hide)
But yeah,
Spoiler: danger danger danger (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 22, 2016, 08:23:54 pm
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Post by: Putnam on January 22, 2016, 09:04:07 pm
Post by: Chromatic Wasp on January 22, 2016, 09:23:45 pm
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Post by: Egan_BW on January 22, 2016, 09:41:13 pm
Spoiler: FINE, MEATLING (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tawa on January 22, 2016, 10:25:53 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 22, 2016, 10:37:26 pm
True Pacifist.
Post by: Aedel on January 22, 2016, 10:41:36 pm
Interesting thought I had today:
What if the final boss of a Genocide Run in Hard Mode is Chara?
A battle between player and character would give Fox the ultimate chance to screw with the gameplay in new, terrifying ways (which he'd love, I'm sure).
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Post by: Fniff on January 23, 2016, 01:18:28 am
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Post by: Egan_BW on January 23, 2016, 01:52:04 am
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Post by: Fniff on January 23, 2016, 03:04:32 am
Spoiler: This spoils OFF (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 23, 2016, 04:03:15 am
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 23, 2016, 04:42:28 am
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Post by: Chromatic Wasp on January 23, 2016, 10:00:24 am
Spoiler: This spoils OFF (click to show/hide)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 23, 2016, 01:25:41 pm
Post by: DragonDePlatino on January 23, 2016, 01:34:53 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 23, 2016, 09:41:19 pm
More importantly, the game itself is dense with information, and learning how to navigate this information is key to getting the results you want. There are always clues to how to progress, but the best clues are subtle. The fact that the game is filled with secrets really encourages you to test things out and explore, though, so it's rarely a matter of 'missing' the clues so much as not understanding them.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 26, 2016, 03:13:58 am
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Post by: Putnam on February 02, 2016, 12:02:35 pm
Also, if nobody in the next 24 hours reads this post and says "hey i haven't played the game yet", can we stop talking in spoilers it's in the damn thread title
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It's stated explicitly in no uncertain terms, and then it goes into detail on the exact conditions of when it does and doesn't happen. Not really an implication.i forgot if it was implied or directly stated so i just went with implied so nobody could ask me "where exactly does it say that?"
Also, if nobody in the next 24 hours reads this post and says "hey i haven't played the game yet", can we stop talking in spoilers it's in the damn thread title
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You find the ribbon at the bottom of a pit. Perhaps those falls were much more dangerous before Toriel started putting piles of leaves from her tree down there.
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 03, 2016, 04:49:16 pm
As far as we're aware, though, nothing in the game is physically dangerous. The falls all have some kind of padding at the bottom, the monsters all attack with magic or magical weapons, and from what I recall, you aren't even allowed to put Frisk into a scenario where their physical body is in peril.
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Post by: BlackFlyme on February 03, 2016, 05:34:28 pm
Monsters can absorb souls, so chances are the can expel them if needed.
Every monster is effectively a soul-capturing apparatus.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 03, 2016, 06:16:08 pm
More importantly, it's mentioned in some of the lore that human SOULs don't fade away like monster SOULs. I'm pretty sure it's either implied or outright stated that a human SOUL is eternal.
Frisk is sort of the odd one out, which is one of the reasons I'm not quite sure I believe (s)he's entirely human. But that's just headcanon.
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I believe that Frisk is literally a reincarnation/reanimation of Chara, and they just lie about their identity in the pacifist route.
If that were the case, the Post Genocide Pacifist ending would be meaningless (The pacifist ending but with pictures of the other people crossed out and Chara instead of Frisk
Post by: BlackFlyme on February 03, 2016, 06:51:45 pm
Frisk is sort of the odd one out, which is one of the reasons I'm not quite sure I believe (s)he's entirely human. But that's just headcanon.
I just assumed it was Flowey destroying your soul when you died, to prevent the monsters from getting a seventh soul and being able to leave the underground.
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They probably glue them back together with magic.
Post by: Egan_BW on February 03, 2016, 07:36:18 pm
He didn't want to fight, and it was all in vain anyway...
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There is the theory that Frisk is the zombie of Chara's corpse. It's a silly theory, but it's not completely nonviable.The tile puzzles could be considered dangerous with those piranhas and all, and there's the electricity wall puzzle. You also get knocked out after the fall in Waterfall. Maybe nothing particularly physically deadly, but there's certainly physical danger.
As far as we're aware, though, nothing in the game is physically dangerous. The falls all have some kind of padding at the bottom, the monsters all attack with magic or magical weapons, and from what I recall, you aren't even allowed to put Frisk into a scenario where their physical body is in peril.
I've decided to stop using spoilers because, well, it is in the topic and it's making it a bit of a pain to read through the thread.
Post by: birdy51 on February 03, 2016, 10:24:16 pm
But then, I also ended up beating the terrible colored tile maze and Hotland. It's not easy, but it's possible with enough DETERMINATION.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMR447uES9A
that song is only put for a small scene in the game and even then it gets you. turns out is one of the best soundtracks in the whole game just put backwards.... Toby, you motherfucking genius......
Post by: Dorsidwarf on March 02, 2016, 05:02:13 pm
Gaster blaster. (get it?)
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If your SOUL does become unusable after death, and this is unusual, then just imagine how Asgore would feel after he kills frisk.
He didn't want to fight, and it was all in vain anyway...
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meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeIf your SOUL does become unusable after death, and this is unusual, then just imagine how Asgore would feel after he kills frisk.
He didn't want to fight, and it was all in vain anyway...
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on March 02, 2016, 11:13:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Tc3OC0H.png)Its kind of hilarious how the sprites for Gaster and the Gaster Followers were blatantly drawn in 30 seconds in paint.
Gaster blaster. (get it?)
Post by: Putnam on March 02, 2016, 11:33:00 pm
I think they're all sorta intentionally evocative of Yume Nikki, so they gotta have the look.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on March 03, 2016, 01:40:13 pm
Nice. Did you make that, or is it something more sinister... ;)
Yeah. MS paint and a search history irrevocably filled with demonic skulls.
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Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 05, 2016, 08:16:01 pm
...someone on /r/underminers discovered a new easter egg in undertale?? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOTU46VPdUc&feature=youtu.be)
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... we aughta respect the whole 'dont talk about it for 24 hours' thing tho
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It is Halloween and I am officially spooked.
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Post by: JimboM12 on October 31, 2018, 08:21:58 pm
this shouldn't be a spoiler really, but does the installer say something than Delta Rune? just being sure im not downloading hardcore spyware due to the file name.
ha! even asking that feels like a spoiler.
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I don't the exact time he posted it, so unless we know when, let's just wait until tomarrow to make sure we wait 24 hours.https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1057987819765936128
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I think I'm just old now and I don't care as much any more. Maybe we'll see when the full game comes out. Music is still good though.
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:/ i strongly disagree with every single sentiment you have stated in this post. Like, diametrically, totally opposed, on every aspect. I find it hard to believe that you played the same game as I did?
Also chara was a fucking tryhard edgy loser kid who showed up for like ten seconds at the end of the boring path.
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:/ i strongly disagree with every single sentiment you have stated in this post. Like, diametrically, totally opposed, on every aspect. I find it hard to believe that you played the same game as I did?
Also chara was a fucking tryhard edgy loser kid who showed up for like ten seconds at the end of the boring path.
I wasn't actually referring to Chara because I do think they're boring and one dimensional. But I guess that's the point of that character.
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Post by: Senator Jim Death on November 02, 2018, 03:51:59 pm
But if he really wants it to be something different, I don't know why it would be related at all.
I guess the answer is "wait and see."
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Post by: Egan_BW on November 02, 2018, 04:32:06 pm
I don't really feel compelled to play this at all, whatever it is, and I was a huge Undertale fan. I'm glad Toby more or less came out and said that he can't make another game like Undertale and that he's not trying to do that. It's not the kind of game that can really have a sequel as such.
But if he really wants it to be something different, I don't know why it would be related at all.
I guess the answer is "wait and see."
I think toby is underselling himself there. Undertale is something special to me, but it's nothing so special that no other game can make me feel the same way again. Deltarune is sort of a continuation of that. Just a game that's good enough to feel exciting in a way that most games don't.
I don't know why you'd think that Undertale is a game that can't have a sequel. Because this very much is a sequel to Undertale. If you liked Undertale, then you will like this too. If for some reason you worship Undertale as your god, I guess you'll never appreciate another game ever again.
And the reason why Deltarune is related to Undertale, if it's supposed to be a seperate game? To give feels to people who have played Undertale.
Post by: Senator Jim Death on November 03, 2018, 04:09:32 pm
I think toby is underselling himself there. Undertale is something special to me, but it's nothing so special that no other game can make me feel the same way again. Deltarune is sort of a continuation of that. Just a game that's good enough to feel exciting in a way that most games don't.
I don't know why you'd think that Undertale is a game that can't have a sequel. Because this very much is a sequel to Undertale. If you liked Undertale, then you will like this too. If for some reason you worship Undertale as your god, I guess you'll never appreciate another game ever again.
And the reason why Deltarune is related to Undertale, if it's supposed to be a seperate game? To give feels to people who have played Undertale.
I guess that what I meant was that Undertale felt complete, even in its incompleteness. It feels like sort of a thing that stands by itself.
But I felt the same way about Undertale before the full game came out: even with the demo, I didn't really understand it and didn't care much for it. The full release completely changed my mind about the game--literally 180 degrees of difference, from "nothing special" to "yeah this is my #1 game now"--which is why I'm taking the same approach here. Here's some demo that I'm not going to understand and probably won't like, so I'll just wait for the full game and trust in Toby's ability or luck or whatever it is to pull the thing together. It worked pretty well last time around, and since he seems to be aiming at a release sometime in the next few years I'll probably just forget about it until it releases.
If this had dropped a few years ago, I would be reacting completely differently and be super excited. My life situation is different now, so for me (if no one else) the timing is pretty much perfect.
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Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 04, 2018, 01:43:15 pm
Regardless of how connected this game will be to Undertale, it's certainly looking like it's going to be taking a lot of its storytelling cues from it--and Toby got that slow burn style.
EDIT: Having played further on... seems pretty darn good to me?
Post by: Egan_BW on November 04, 2018, 01:53:39 pm
What I'm saying is that even if the project is never completed, chapter 1 can be fairly treated as its own work. Given that it'll be a long time before the rest is released, I'll be treating it in that light.
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Unrelated, but I saw a theory floating around that Sans is a darkner instead of a monster. It would explain some of the strangeness around him, but it doesn't really jive with Papyrus clearly being a monster unless they aren't actually brothers.
Post by: Cthulhu on November 15, 2018, 09:46:47 am
Like when toby fox was making undertale he wasnt thinking about connections to the next game hed make years later.
Can you actually not kill anyone? But surely the game plays differently if you attack everyone and never spare or act
Post by: Telgin on November 15, 2018, 11:15:39 am
And I agree with you that trying to retroactively justify strangeness is usually a bad idea, but supposedly Toby originally wanted to make Deltarune and ended up making Undertale instead, and has had the plot in mind since 2012 or something like that. Of course, that's no guarantee that nothing changed during that time or that he originally planned for there to be a link like that, not to mention that he's explicitly stated that Undertale and Deltarune aren't the same universe.
Maybe he just got some inspiration for the mechanics for darkners from Sans.
Post by: umiman on November 15, 2018, 02:51:36 pm
Can you actually not kill anyone? But surely the game plays differently if you attack everyone and never spare or actThere's only one route in the game atm.
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It seems to me that Sans would not have the talk options he does if that were the case, either.
Post by: umiman on November 15, 2018, 08:08:32 pm
we keep thinking this is an alt verse from undertale, but what if its the other way round? what if this is the core and undertale was the alt game?Every universe is an alt verse of every universe. It's redundant.
The foundation of every story and every plot of human history is an alt universe of our universe and for all intents and purposes we probably are just the alt universe of another alt universe. Every second that splits, every thought that differentiates, every choice and decision brings to birth an alt universe of our alt universe to a neverending tree of akasha.
There's no discernible origin. We are all just pages of an infinite book, some further from a nonexistent middle than the other and some closer.
Sorry what were we talking about again?
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Also I named Onionsan to Asriel II because why not
Post by: Telgin on November 16, 2018, 09:14:56 am
I didnt even realise you could go south from the school the first time I played, hahah.
Huh, I didn't consider this either. You mean at the beginning of the game, right?
Post by: Dorsidwarf on November 16, 2018, 10:24:43 am
I didnt even realise you could go south from the school the first time I played, hahah.
Huh, I didn't consider this either. You mean at the beginning of the game, right?
no, the post-game town walkaround
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They also had personality clashes I think, but I think the murdering part is what broke the proverbial camel's back. Well, that plus Chara and Asriel dying.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 16, 2018, 03:57:26 pm
Post by: Telgin on November 16, 2018, 04:09:14 pm
That vaguely reminds me of how weird the wording was for the fate of the monsters in the "true lab." Alphys injected monsters that "had fallen down" with determination, but... uh... come to think of it, even if that was a cute euphemism for monsters that had an unfortunate accident and died, I'm kind of wondering how she injected dust with determination.
Post by: Putnam on November 16, 2018, 04:25:42 pm
So, do you think Asgore's landlord "C" is a new character? If so, why did it not write its whole name?
Carol Holiday, the mayor of the town, wife of Rudy Holiday, mother of Noelle Holiday, the real main character.
Post by: heydude6 on November 16, 2018, 04:53:08 pm
That vaguely reminds me of how weird the wording was for the fate of the monsters in the "true lab." Alphys injected monsters that "had fallen down" with determination, but... uh... come to think of it, even if that was a cute euphemism for monsters that had an unfortunate accident and died, I'm kind of wondering how she injected dust with determination.I don't know if this information was in the lab or it had to be obtained via datamining, but there is/was a lab console that explained what falling down was. Basically it's dying of natural causes. When Monsters get too old or sick they fall into a coma. Then in a matter of weeks they properly die and turn into dust. Alphys was basically looking for a cure for death.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on November 16, 2018, 10:24:48 pm
Deltarune: The Fuck Gang is here to take your lunch money, nerds
Post by: Cthulhu on November 16, 2018, 10:27:05 pm
That vaguely reminds me of how weird the wording was for the fate of the monsters in the "true lab." Alphys injected monsters that "had fallen down" with determination, but... uh... come to think of it, even if that was a cute euphemism for monsters that had an unfortunate accident and died, I'm kind of wondering how she injected dust with determination.I don't know if this information was in the lab or it had to be obtained via datamining, but there is/was a lab console that explained what falling down was. Basically it's dying of natural causes. When Monsters get too old or sick they fall into a coma. Then in a matter of weeks they properly die and turn into dust. Alphys was basically looking for a cure for death.
That was in the game, I remember it.
Anybody know how long the turnaround on episode 2 is expected to be? I figure a lot of the time for this one must've been building the mechanics, I'm hoping there'll be a faster pace considering the length of the game, hopefully most of the backend stuff stays the same and it's just a matter of writing and assets.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 16, 2018, 10:46:43 pm
Massively misquoting, of course. :P
Post by: JimboM12 on November 17, 2018, 01:49:40 am
Deltarune: The Fuck Gang is here to take your lunch money, nerds
dont forget its sister organization, the dark fuck gang.
Post by: Mini on November 17, 2018, 09:54:50 am
Anybody know how long the turnaround on episode 2 is expected to be? I figure a lot of the time for this one must've been building the mechanics, I'm hoping there'll be a faster pace considering the length of the game, hopefully most of the backend stuff stays the same and it's just a matter of writing and assets.Toby tweeted about it shortly after the release. (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9)
Post by: Telgin on November 17, 2018, 02:51:32 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on November 18, 2018, 09:15:51 pm
He was too soft to do what needed to be done, basically. He could have eaten the first human soul to show up, use that power to cross the barrier, and kill 6 more humans on the surface, gaining enough power to break the barrier. But he didn't want to go on a killing spree, so instead he just waited, and had humans killed as they fell down.
Not even kill them really, he could have gathered 6 souls from humans who were dying anyway.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 19, 2018, 01:07:17 am
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Post by: Egan_BW on November 19, 2018, 11:31:13 am
Post by: pikachu17 on November 19, 2018, 01:19:23 pm
I think monsters in Deltarune may bleed, otherwise why would Susie think Lancer saying he'd turn them into blood is cool?
Post by: Telgin on November 19, 2018, 02:18:44 pm
The thing with Susie is kind of up in the air. On one hand, we haven't seen a monster die in Deltarune, so we don't know for sure that they don't have blood or turn to dust still, but there's also an NPC in town that asks Kris if it "hurts to be made of blood," so there's evidence that monsters don't have blood in Deltarune.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 19, 2018, 02:42:58 pm
Post by: Putnam on November 19, 2018, 07:42:44 pm
Determination doesn't give monsters blood: Undyne overdoses on it in both genocide and neutral, when you kill her. It just makes monsters melt.
The timeline of DELTARUNE vs UNDERTALE is such that I know for a fact that all of the following things in UNDERTALE are explicit DELTARUNE references:
1. All of the fun events, as reference to the Fun Gang, which had come into form in late 2014-early 2015, including:
a. The Gaster Followers
b. Clam girl/goner clam, who tells you about her neighbor's kid, Suzy
c. The wrong number song, whose singer is calling for "G..."
d. The sound test, which features Gaster's Theme, called mus_st_him in the game files, followed up in DELTARUNE by ANOTHER HIM
e. Goner Kid, who talks about how terrifying it is that the world just goes on without them, then asks you to forget about them,
f. "Mystery Man", fun value 66, almost certainly gaster, given...
g. Nightmare, an amalgam of a snowman and Ice-E who shows up on the Monster Kids Word Search (yes, I do believe this is a DELTARUNE reference, see spoilers)
2. Room #66, Entry #17, featuring Gaster (typer #66 in the code) going on about the DARK; also in the files is battle data for Gaster, all of whose battle values are variants on 666.
3. Following up on 1b., if you've talked to Clam girl and heard about Suzy, Sans's workshop has a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people with "don't forget." written on it. Don't Forget is the name of the theme of DELTARUNE.
Here is what I suspect is a reference to DELTARUNE, and thus may be spoilers:
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Post by: Telgin on November 19, 2018, 10:16:05 pm
Also, this talk of Gaster has me wondering if or how much he has to do with the "demon" at the end of Undertale's genocide route. "Chara" there tells you that they are more or less a personification of your violence, but with all of the references between Gaster, 666 and now souls in Deltarune, it makes me wonder if there's more to it. Could Gaster have been the one to possess Kris after Kris tears out their soul at the end of Deltarune? Could he be Chara? Or some other meta representation or relation to the player?
Well, I guess it's possible that the being talking to you at the start of Deltarune during the "vessel's" creation isn't Gaster, or he has nothing to do with your soul or your possession of Kris, but it makes me wonder.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 19, 2018, 10:33:21 pm
Post by: pikachu17 on December 11, 2018, 04:33:06 pm
Also, I heard that it was specifically said in Our Town that they worship The Angel, but I don't t remember running into such dialogue.
Post by: Telgin on December 11, 2018, 04:46:56 pm
The prophecy part is pretty strange and vague still, but I think it's probably just flowery language and not implying that the Earth is alive in any kind of capacity in universe. It could be a reference to Chara destroying the world or universe though, in a different timeline. It might sync up with what Sans says about timelines starting and ending in Undertale. Perhaps this is just one of those timelines.
Speaking of Sans, I was rewatching the fight with him and it occurs to me that there are at least two times in Undertale, and probably more that I'm forgetting, where he speaks in a different font than Comic Sans, uses proper punctuation and doesn't have his characteristic voice. I used to think he was just being uncharacteristically serious in those moments, and that may be all it is, but Deltarune's overtones related to possession make me wonder if there might be more going on with Sans in those moments. Probably not.
Post by: Qmarx on January 02, 2019, 03:00:27 am
Kenny's Quest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30SYBrsqaCY)
The Deltarune Thanksgiving Hack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYTRyWOaUX0)
The Darkness Is Everywhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB8xO5XxA70)
Post by: pikachu17 on January 11, 2019, 03:34:39 pm
Post by: Telgin on January 11, 2019, 03:44:55 pm
More seriously, I've never seen anyone note it, so I doubt he does. Although, come to think of it, if you quit during the fight and return, does Sans count it as a death when he taunts you on the next attempt? I'm guessing the game updates the "killed by Sans" counter at the gameover screen, so probably not.
Post by: pikachu17 on January 11, 2019, 03:54:01 pm
Test it and let us know. :)If I actually had the game I would try.
Post by: Telgin on January 23, 2019, 10:57:45 am
Maybe the intention was just that he's such a weird kid he slides around everywhere instead of walking.
Post by: pikachu17 on January 23, 2019, 04:05:44 pm
Post by: Telgin on January 23, 2019, 07:22:03 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 01, 2019, 08:44:17 am
Hey, in Undertale, if you fight sans until he falls asleep, but instead of moving the box you quit the game, does sans note that you did that?
Nope.
Post by: pikachu17 on September 07, 2019, 12:13:17 pm
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Post by: Scripten on September 20, 2021, 01:31:28 pm
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Post by: pikachu17 on September 20, 2021, 03:20:10 pm
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Post by: Dorsidwarf on September 22, 2021, 11:47:22 am
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Chapter 2 feels noticeably harder than I remember chapter 1 being.
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Post by: Akura on September 24, 2021, 04:16:03 pm
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S-snowy...
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 24, 2021, 05:13:27 pm
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Spoiler: snowgrave! (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Akura on October 05, 2021, 03:35:59 pm
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Post by: Imic on October 19, 2021, 08:47:06 am
I remember that when work on Deltarune was starting I think, Toby warned that he didn't think he was ever going to be able to top Undertale, or make something that made people feel the same emotions that Undertale did. In my opinion, Deltarune so far has done everything Undertale did well... possibly even better. It's genuinely hilarious, it has the same depth of storytelling, it gives the players the same guilt trip over their actions, if not even worse than Undertale did because of the way it's handled differently, the music is as boppin as ever...
Toby Fox went into Deltarune with an enormous amount of experience from Undertale, as well as a reasonable budget, and a production team to help him. I don't wanna heap expectations that can't be met onto the poor guy, but god, I think that Deltarune could easily top Undertale if it keeps going the way it is.
Thank you for coming to my Fangirly TED talk.
Post by: Telgin on October 19, 2021, 09:13:32 am
Has it been long enough we no longer need spoiler tags? I think so.
Anyway, Spamton alone is clear evidence that the story is going to be deep, impactful and full of even more mindscrew than Undertale's metafictional elements. I genuinely felt bad for him in the end, and he was an anthropomorphized spam email of all things.
Now, if we really want to get into stuff that I can't wait to see, it's what happens after Snowgrave. Part of me feels like somehow we're going to get a twist and it'll go back to Deltarune chapter 1's mantra that our choices don't matter and Berdly will be okay, but maybe Toby has something bigger planned.
And... hmm... I wonder if that's Undertale preaching to me about wanting to see what happens but being too much of a coward to do it myself.
Post by: JimboM12 on October 19, 2021, 10:43:46 am
but the weird route feels distinctly like we threw the normal plot off the rails. from the tone, the situations, we basically hijacked the story and the limitations placed on our movements and abilities... by manipulating someone into being our weapon that explicitly uses an ability that bypasses the game; it freezes. enemies can run normally but not when we use snowgrave.
that leads to another thing: we are rescuing less darkners to bring to our town. both i bet have an effect on the plot further down that we just dont know yet.
it also feels wayyyy more evil then undertale's no mercy mode, and i fucking love and dread it.
Post by: Akura on October 19, 2021, 10:44:48 am
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While looking a few things up on the wiki, I realized something else.
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Post by: Egan_BW on October 19, 2021, 10:56:10 am
So either in future chapters Noelle joins your party again, or you get the ring back some other way, or the TwistedSword is obtained through that weird method.
Post by: Telgin on October 19, 2021, 11:11:29 am
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This is amusing but probably a bit too out there. Probably.
I thought it would be ironic if it were Asgore, since the closet specifically mentions a large person could hide in it, but... well, I guess we'll see in a few years.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 19, 2021, 12:07:30 pm
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