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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Topic started by: RoseHeart on February 07, 2021, 08:59:38 pm
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People in FG&RP are very economical about how many threads are stickied in the forum game section, as it is always "one less game on the front page".
I believe the purpose of that 25 word post could be folded into the Forum Guidelines sticky, which already has special guidelines for forum games, like honoring game rules.
With that gone, the next most worthy candidate for sticky would be ExKirby's "Gaming Block (Game Discussion Thread) (Totally Not Roller's Block) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=110287.0)", which is a casual thread for discussing game design.
^Message I plan to send ToadyOne in 2 days.
The only caviot I can really think of, is that the thread in question references "Roller's Block" which is more specialized and from a subsection of this subforum. Which I just feel is kinda tacky. ExKirby hasn't logged in since 2014 so everything about the setup is also static. But the OP holds up well enough, and a "teaser" for content in the biggests subsection isn't bad, even if the reason it is there is some what anachronistic.
I suppose there's the fact that it hasn't gotten much use in the last year or so, though that is a motivation for doing this.
Unless there is something about it that demands a replacement... then the thread should be considered worthy of sticky for its' utility for promoting elevated game design discussion.
Thoughts?
I have created a replacement thread: Game Design Discussion and Review (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178073.0)
ToadyOne received the original proposal. I sent it when I locked the thread. At that time voting had gone from +8 -4 at it's peak to +7 -7 so I left it to them to decide the merits on it's own. Since then there has been a Discord based campaign to "Dogpile on Roseheart" (exact quote) which maybe had little or a lot to do with the rapid change in the polls afterward but I can't be sure. It was even when the message was sent out.
Thanks for those that participated in the voting and discussion on swapping sticky of two topics.
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Nobody cares
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Nobody cares
You cared enough to reply
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Nobody cares
You cared enough to reply
No I didn't.
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*shrugs*
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What is "let's plays" use?
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You're destroying our history by getting rid of that thing that hasn't mattered in years!
*shakes fist then goes back to doing grumpy old man stuff*
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Nobody cares
You cared enough to reply
No I didn't.
Well, at least 2 people other than you cared enough to reply, and you cared enough to reply to my reply. u mad bro?
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Alright, let's keep it light. I think this is a smart idea, but maybe it's stoopid, and I wanna know one way or the other.
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It doesn't effect much, really (judging solely by the fact that the last two posts were both you a year apart and nobody thought it prudent to make a thread in a similar vein), but it also doesn't hurt anything, so I think this is as close to a true "it doesn't matter" as you can get. I can see how removing the stickiness from let's plays moved could have some utility in allowing a whole extra thread on the first page, but replacing it with something that isn't used much at all, and when it is used doesn't actually see anything come from it, seems a little pointless.
One could argue that it'd get more use if it was stickied, to which I say "probably", but I think we should see some recent utilization of it in literally any form before you ask the toad to sticky something you necro'd a year after your own post.
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Let's split the difference and just un-sticky the "Let's Plays moved".
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Let's split the difference and just un-sticky the "Let's Plays moved".
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I would be inclined to agree with Man of Paper here. Getting rid of the Let's Plays sticky has some merit, although I'm not sure it's worth bothering Toady about (remember that Toady is not in the business of managing a forum- we're a bunch of weirdos using what should be a forum to discuss DF to play these games in, this isn't the actual purpose of the forum). But replacing it with an unused thread seems especially unnecessary.
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Ok, at present the poll is at 7 for, 4 against. I am hearing some "just kill the let's plays thread, meh on stick the gaming block thread".
One could argue that it'd get more use if it was stickied, to which I say "probably", but I think we should see some recent utilization of it in literally any form before you ask the toad to sticky something you necro'd a year after your own post.
That's exactly why I support the sticky for it. Even just a couple years ago it was a great forum for discussion and help, reminiscent of the mafia subsection's version, where you could ask for feedback and have it within a couple hours. People just don't see it. It might not help, but if it "probably" will then that definitely seems worth it.
About a day left, if the polling seems close maybe I'll start over with the "kill LP, meh GB" option...
Edit: I think we gotta do both or neither. Just asking him to kill the LP seems nitpicky, but if it's for Gaming Block then it serves a purpose...
But replacing it with an unused thread seems especially unnecessary.
Quick, someone post a game design for review!
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I mean, this whole proposal in and of itself is nitpicky. I go back four pages in Gamer's Block and I'm already back to 2018, so in the grand scheme of things we probably don't need it anyways (and the ideas that actually came from any of the posts I went back over can be counted on both hands of a quadruple amputee). You argue that it was a great help "a couple years ago", which isn't really a strong argument at all when it comes to poking Toady when he's got a lot more important shit on his plate than catering to the gum stuck to his shoe that he decided to let remain out of the kindness of his heart. Really, I think your overestimating the importance of a lot of things here - namely the potential utility of a long-dead thread, the importance of this subforum in relation to everything Toady actually should be focusing on (I hear he's working on some important shit with these dwarf things recently), and, from what I've gathered over time, your own standing as some sort of unofficial leader within or ambassador of this community.
If this really bugs you so much, make a new thread with a new title for the same premise. 227 pages of a now-dead thread might be intimidating the few who might use it into not doing so (plus as you said, it references something most of us here don't have on our radar, so that doesn't help the matter), and if that gets good activity, then maybe we should revisit the idea.
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I already messaged Toady about the fact I would be proposing something in a few days, so the "poking" already happened.
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I already messaged Toady about the fact I would be proposing something in a few days, so the "poking" already happened.
Whether it's to say "nevermind, it wasn't popular" or whatever is up to this thread...
Indifferent/Status-Quo Bias: Stirk, A_Curious_Cat
Supports discussion in general/no other feedback right now: 0cra_tr0per, King Zultan
Don't know "LP Moved" use: Secretdorf
Compromise:, a1s, Chevaleresse
Gaming Block Insufficient Usage to Sticky: Man of Paper, NUKE9.13
Polls: +7 -4
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What's the point of stickying the Gaming Block thread It doesn't seem to be anything anyone's cared about in a long time.
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Bro why would you teaser nonsense. That's not very cash money of you. Leave the man alone. I don't think any of us are five or younger, so tugging on someone's sleeve going "I'm gonna say something but not yet uwu" isn't anything beyond annoying.
And you're proving a point about what I said re: your views on your position in this community. You took it upon yourself to state to a man who is entirely too busy for this petty minuscule nonsense that you're going to maybe perhaps say something important at a later date, and it's this? And in doing so grant yourself the position of speaker for the entirety of us as if we elected you to represent the subforum's collective thoughts? Puhhhlease.
Like, I'm trying to keep myself from getting too worked up about someone who isn't me pestering someone else who also isn't me, but the more you go on, the worse the taste gets in my mouth. At this point I feel like this thread should just be locked and we should leave well-enough alone, because god forbid Toady acknowledge your pointless prodding and plant some seed you cultivate into being confirmation as your position of Archduke of the FG&R subforum.
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Let's split the difference and just un-sticky the "Let's Plays moved".
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Like, I'm trying to keep myself from getting too worked up
You aren't doing a very good job. Like, I see where you're coming from, but getting salty ain't going to help persuade Roseheart to drop the idea.
Roseheart, I think you should consider that almost all categories in that 'Feedback' box you posted are opposed to the idea. At best they are ambivalent. Literally nobody has posted in support. I don't know who the folks are voting in favour in the poll, but they don't seem to care enough to actually post in the thread.
As for the argument that stickying Gaming Block would make it more popular... how's that working out for the Forum Game List?
E: Actually, that gives me an idea. Why not just add a link to Gaming Block in the OP of the Forum Game List thread?
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As for the argument that stickying Gaming Block would make it more popular... how's that working out for the Forum Game List?
Great! Night and day, infact it lasted a couple months before it got stickied(where before usage was low). It's been up for 3+ years and had many many games posted both on the doc and to this thread. So if we are using it as an example then it is definitely a PRO example.
Roseheart, I think you should consider that almost all categories in that 'Feedback' box you posted are opposed to the idea. At best they are ambivalent. Literally nobody has posted in support. I don't know who the folks are voting in favour in the poll, but they don't seem to care enough to actually post in the thread.
Nah, being shy doesn't take away your right to an opinion.
You took it upon yourself to state to a man who is entirely too busy for this petty minuscule nonsense
He's much more engaged in the goings-on in the forum than you give him credit..
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"seed you cultivate into being confirmation as your position of Archduke of the FG&R subforum."
How would you like suggestions to ToadyOne be handled by the community? Perhaps an open discussion in a thread where anyone can post their opinion? I'd have no qualms about participating in a similar thread started by someone else, if I had an opinion on the matter. Yes, I considered this worth bringing up, cripes, it's been 11 years, lol.
Edit: If anything, the title I'd hold would be "Archsecretary". I've just focused on what needed to be done, I'm too disagreeable for politics.
Edit Edit: I would be willing to delay things... if someone wants to take a stab at improving the Gaming Block, and seeing how it goes for a month... a new "Game Design Discussion and Review" thread. Otherwise it's the best we got.
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"seed you cultivate into being confirmation as your position of Archduke of the FG&R subforum."
How would you like suggestions to ToadyOne be handled by the community? Perhaps an open discussion in a thread where anyone can post their opinion? I'd have no qualms about participating in a similar thread started by someone else, if I had an opinion on the matter. Yes, I considered this worth bringing up, cripes, it's been 11 years, lol.
Edit: If anything, the title I'd hold would be "Archsecretary". I've just focused on what needed to be done, I'm too disagreeable for politics.
Good gods, man. MoP was trying to exaggerate, not making an actual suggestion. You are not the Archsecretary of FG&RP. There is no Archsecretary. There does not need to be an Archsecretary. Or any other form of leadership or management. FG&RP is a functional anarchy, and has been for many years. People post games, people play games. End of story.
Edit Edit: I would be willing to delay things... if someone wants to take a stab at improving the Gaming Block, and seeing how it goes for a month... a new "Game Design Discussion and Review" thread. Otherwise it's the best we got.
How benevolent, your lordship, that you deign to give us a chance.
Great! Night and day, infact it lasted a couple months before it got stickied(where before usage was low). It's been up for 3+ years and had many many games posted both on the doc and to this thread. So if we are using it as an example then it is definitely a PRO example.
Looking back through it, it gets a few posts a month, tops. Which is more than Gaming Block, admittedly. But it's not exactly a highly-active thread.
Nah, being shy doesn't take away your right to an opinion.
No, but it does give your opinion less weight if you can't be bothered to explain to the people opposed to the idea why you think it is a good idea. Again, literally nobody has posted in support. Shy? I suppose it's possible that all 8 pro-voters are so shy they daren't post their reasons for approving of the idea, but I posit that it is far more likely that they are simply not that invested in the idea. If there are any fervent supporters of the idea reading this, please, share your opinion.
He's much more engaged in the goings-on in the forum than you give him credit..
Being deeply involved in managing the forum would not be to Toady's credit, dude. Toady is a game developer, not a forum admin. He's made it clear that he doesn't want to get bogged down in running the forum. Remember Various Nonsense? It was a board on the forum that grew to be so toxic that rather than waste time moderating it, Toady just decided to nuke it. I'm not saying that bugging Toady with frivolous requests on occasion is going to cause him to nuke FG&RP- just illustrating that Toady really isn't interested in forum drama.
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"Good gods, man. MoP was trying to exaggerate, not making an actual suggestion. You are not the Archsecretary of FG&RP. There is no Archsecretary. There does not need to be an Archsecretary. Or any other form of leadership or management. FG&RP is a functional anarchy, and has been for many years. People post games, people play games. End of story."
The people with the temperament for leadership positions, already have them. Well, I am using the 'anarchy' to simulate a democracy. It's funny Nuke, you are opting to use the voice on these matters I am holding a space for. If it's such an anarchy as you desire, I'd just PM my idea to Toady from the get go....
If your opinion is that it is too trivial a request, that's a totally valid point of view, and I am glad you are expressing it. See democracy is fun.
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How would you like suggestions to ToadyOne be handled by the community? Perhaps an open discussion in a thread where anyone can post their opinion?
Ah yes, and here you illustrate that you aren't quite getting the point.
You realize that, before you so graciously allowed us to participate in an open discussion (of which nobody has vocalized support of your idea), you took any actual agency away from eeeeeeveryone else when you went "Hey Toady I got an idea", regardless of the fact that it was an absolutely meaningless, unnecessary poke. Your statements and your actions are telling two different stories.
As for your "actual" role here, there are only two roles in this place: GM and Player. If you see yourself as anything else then you're delusional and need to step away from the monitor for a few days.
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This all just gets back to Stirk's first, incredibly correct and accurate reply, "nobody cares".
Roseheart's weird bureaucratic conceits are particularly rich for someone who can't even keep a game running! I don't understand what value this bizarre delusion is supposed to be providing to the community, but it's kind of funny to watch.
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This all just gets back to Stirk's first, incredibly correct and accurate reply, "nobody cares".
Roseheart's weird bureaucratic conceits are particularly rich for someone who can't even keep a game running! I don't understand what value this bizarre delusion is supposed to be providing to the community, but it's kind of funny to watch.
When did I say I was interviewing for a leadership position?
Indifferent/Status-Quo Bias: Stirk, A_Curious_Cat, Maximum Spin
Supports discussion in general/no other feedback right now: 0cra_tr0per, King Zultan
Don't know "LP Moved" use: Secretdorf
Compromise/Ideal outcome not expressed: a1s, Chevaleresse, Demonic Spoon
Gaming Block Insufficient Usage to Sticky: Man of Paper, NUKE9.13
Polls: +8 -4
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When did I say I was interviewing for a leadership position?
Nobody suggested you were interviewing. In fact, your actions clearly indicate you think you already have it.
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Mephansteras is the moderator of everything Mafia, and piecewise is the closest thing RTD. If there was a general moderator I'd bring my suggestion to them first. I probably should have just gone straight to ToadyOne, if I knew asking opinions would drudge up drama.
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For the Ubersecretary Supreme you sure don't fuckin listen, my guy.
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For the Ubersecretary Supreme you sure don't fuckin listen, my guy.
I have been thinking this since I first came here a few years ago and I'm just glad it isn't just me.
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Like, I'm trying to keep myself from getting too worked up
You aren't doing a very good job. Like, I see where you're coming from, but getting salty ain't going to help persuade Roseheart to drop the idea.
Roseheart, I think you should consider that almost all categories in that 'Feedback' box you posted are opposed to the idea. At best they are ambivalent. Literally nobody has posted in support. I don't know who the folks are voting in favour in the poll, but they don't seem to care enough to actually post in the thread.
Lets not discount the possibility that little roseheart here is playing sockpuppetry either, in order to vote for his own poll as he seems painfully invested in this. Now that would just be utterly pathetic, wouldn't it?
For the Ubersecretary Supreme you sure don't fuckin listen, my guy.
I have been thinking this since I first came here a few years ago and I'm just glad it isn't just me.
I don't even know who this guy is, but reading this thread doesn't give a great first impression. I don't know what it is about people like this, but they just make my blood boil. I think its that they're way too full of themselves.
IMO there is nothing to be gained from stickying Gaming Block, as it is demonstrably dead. At the same time, there is a slim chance that without the "Let's Plays moved." notice there, some idiot might actually post his LP's in this subforum, then it's Toady that'll have to move it. :P
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I probably should have just gone straight to ToadyOne, if I knew asking opinions would drudge up drama.
You asked for opinions, and people disagreed with you. You can call that drama, OR, you could accept that people legitimately think it's a bad idea and not do it at all.
I mean, you're literally saying that you only want responses that agree with you. That isn't democracy, my dude.
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I can actually sort of understand where you're coming from with the desire to organize general activity in the board - but with that said it doesn't actually make much sense. While NUKE described the board as "functional anarchy", to a large degree it's more of a set of pretty organized subcommunities and games with some other loose threads rattling around. FEF is a very organized subcommunity, Arms Race is a very tightly associated circle of games, the Trespassers game id a part of a larger subcommunity which may or may not be moving more threads onto the board and though I'm not involved with Multiverse Crash it is an organized macrogame of that sort too.
In that light, I don't really see the need to try to support a mostly empty infrastructure that a whole lot of the board, organized under their own terms in smaller rings of games, isn't really going to have need for, especially since Discord provides a very active grounds to do that organizing, which is probably why the Gaming Block is dead in the first place.
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FEF is a very organized subcommunity,
Hey, you're one of the FEF people, right?
What is that, anyway?
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Isn't this the same guy who made the completely pointless bitmap? And then demanded somebody else make "a flag" for it?
Okay, zoomer.
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FEF is a very organized subcommunity,
Hey, you're one of the FEF people, right?
What is that, anyway?
Pretty much what it says on the tin, a Fire Emblem tabletop system. It can be pretty slow-paced and it's very rigidly crunchy, so it isn't for most people, but it can provide a very fun framework for setpiece battles/settings and character interaction.
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I can actually sort of understand where you're coming from with the desire to organize general activity in the board - but with that said it doesn't actually make much sense. While NUKE described the board as "functional anarchy", to a large degree it's more of a set of pretty organized subcommunities and games with some other loose threads rattling around. FEF is a very organized subcommunity, Arms Race is a very tightly associated circle of games, the Trespassers game id a part of a larger subcommunity which may or may not be moving more threads onto the board and though I'm not involved with Multiverse Crash it is an organized macrogame of that sort too.
In that light, I don't really see the need to try to support a mostly empty infrastructure that a whole lot of the board, organized under their own terms in smaller rings of games, isn't really going to have need for, especially since Discord provides a very active grounds to do that organizing, which is probably why the Gaming Block is dead in the first place.
Ayup. Most often when someone wants to talk about putting together a game here, they just take it to some Discord server or other.
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Pretty much what it says on the tin, a Fire Emblem tabletop system.
Uh. Can... you be more explanatory wrt what that actually means?
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Pretty much what it says on the tin, a Fire Emblem tabletop system.
Uh. Can... you be more explanatory wrt what that actually means?
It's a tabletop roleplaying game system with mechanics based on or directly derived from Fire Emblem. Essentially, you have classes that act like the classes from the game, a battlemap akin to the ones in the game divided into tiles, phases that roughly simulate the turn-based gameplay (and the system as far as I am aware, is originally intended for a play-by-post system that lends itself naturally to this) and the like.
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Alight, this has devolved into personal attacks and off-topic convo. Locking thread.
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Replying to all this because it's cathartic for me, and if you don't listen to people you disagree with you stay stoopid. And incase there were any nuggests of truth I went through the effort(I am an extremely slow reader, I do have a reading disabilities that makes me take 4x longer to read, so apologies if some felt ignored, sorry I didn't update your vote King Zultan. Back when I was tracking them.)
Nobody cares
This was my most active proposal. One I made in 2016 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=160328.0) got 6 replies in comparison to this thread's 40+ and 14 votes basically in a single morning.
I'm not sure it's worth bothering Toady about
And you're proving a point about what I said re: your views on your position in this community. You took it upon yourself to state to a man who is entirely too busy for this petty minuscule nonsense that you're going to maybe perhaps say something important at a later date, and it's this? And in doing so grant yourself the position of speaker for the entirety of us as if we elected you to represent the subforum's collective thoughts? Puhhhlease.
How? Why? Who should I take my suggestion to before ToadyOne? Explain how I expressed this and what should have happened differently.
I do not sumbit to the overwhelming apathy that we should never dare to ask for a thread to be stickied or unstickied if it serves the community. ToadyOne really is a good sport about it, and this is not a daily consideration, unlike all the moderation for the forums he does.
Roseheart's weird bureaucratic conceits are particularly rich for someone who can't even keep a game running!
99% of my games don't finish it's true. And even though I've hit a good stride as of late I don't carry any bags or weight on my shoulders about it. Life happens, and trying something new has merit and value even if it reveals itself to be overambitious. I do take pride in creating something fresh, and my consistency there is something I am very proud of.
Roseheart, I think you should consider that almost all categories in that 'Feedback' box you posted are opposed to the idea. At best they are ambivalent. Literally nobody has posted in support. I don't know who the folks are voting in favour in the poll, but they don't seem to care enough to actually post in the thread.
As for the argument that stickying Gaming Block would make it more popular... how's that working out for the Forum Game List?
I have to say, I'd almost support NUKE as moderator, almost, because even when he's tearing me down, I end up smiling. However the idea that introverts don't deserve consideration is not something I could get behind.
It would be NICE to have a general moderator to manage stickies and general moderation to---wait for it---give Toady less work.
Lets not discount the possibility that little roseheart here is playing sockpuppetry either, in order to vote for his own poll as he seems painfully invested in this. Now that would just be utterly pathetic, wouldn't it?
Having alts is a serious violation (and accusation) on Bay 12. I have one alt that I haven't touched since 2016, which was before I knew I could ask for a username change.
Isn't this the same guy who made the completely pointless bitmap? And then demanded somebody else make "a flag" for it?
Okay, zoomer.
Well I'm probably older than you if you're using terminology like 'zoomer'. Yeah! I thought it would be cool to collaberate and still do. You can see the participating artists work in the Forum Game List bitmap.
Ayup. Most often when someone wants to talk about putting together a game here, they just take it to some Discord server or other.
The problem with discords is that Toady can't be sure they can be held accountable to the forum guidlines, so it is helpful to have a safe space for basic functions like this.
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This guy is so far up his own ass he could look out of his own mouth
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While I want to emphasize that I do not think it is useful or justified to make the thread into something that exists only for the purpose of launching personal attacks, I don't think the idea of a central organization space in this manner works because organization is fundamentally performed on either the level of the subcommunity or the GM. The creation of games and the discussion that leads to their creations happens in Discords because Discords are the places where the people making these games hang out with people they're familiar with or are interested in the same forum games with, and it's of course a hell of a lot easier to use a Discord to have a conversation than it is to use a forum thread with a broken search function where you have to go out of your way to navigate the thread and hover around it rather than just being able to have Discord open in another tab waiting for a ping.
There's a reason that active OOC threads have disappeared from this forum for character games and you usually just see a thread mostly devoted to bookkeeping and then an IC thread - it is way more convenient and engaging to use a Discord. The same applies for most of these sorts of general discussion threads on these boards - roleplayers are usually hanging around a few chats with other roleplayers, AR players are hanging around other AR players, and FEF has a solidly organized, large space. If someone wants to organize a game, they typically just shoot off messages in one of these servers and get more feedback quicker than they could with a forum thread. From the perspective of how people actually organize games now on a voluntary basis, there's no reason to try to push for a central moderated space when people usually prefer to use other methods now..
I think where the real hostile reaction comes from though is the idea that there would be some sort of person with power over the whole deal and an active infrastructure that interferes with the way they run their own games - there's nearly nobody who actually needs this sort of setup, and the idea of any moderator, whether it were to be you or NUKE (who I imagine wouldn't want to spend that time and effort for something like this) or somebody else, rankles because they don't have a use for somebody in a position of authority within the board. The idea of central figures moderating is one you've pushed before, and to some degree I think it goes along with the idea of a more centralized infrastructure actively being shifted around. I do NOT personally approve of the way people are behaving, but that's why the pushback is there.
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I think where the real hostile reaction comes from though is the idea that there would be some sort of person with power over the whole deal and an active infrastructure that interferes with the way they run their own games - there's nearly nobody who actually needs this sort of setup, and the idea of any moderator, whether it were to be you or NUKE (who I imagine wouldn't want to spend that time and effort for something like this) or somebody else, rankles because they don't have a use for somebody in a position of authority within the board. The idea of central figures moderating is one you've pushed before, and to some degree I think it goes along with the idea of a more centralized infrastructure actively being shifted around. I do NOT personally approve of the way people are behaving, but that's why the pushback is there.
This.
The forum's GMs insofar as I've seen generally prefer independence in how they run their games. Speaking from the perspective of a GM I don't need the assistance of a separate infrastructure to pull in players; I can either arrange something over Discord or put up a thread, see if people bite and arrange the rest over a purpose-made Discord. I see no real reason to have any moderator with significant powers over the forum who isn't solely for the purpose of policing particularly egregious breaches of behaviour, such as personal attacks on someone else, as people (and GMs) are well capable of policing themselves for the most part. I also disapprove of the personal attacks, to be quite frank; we're not approving this idea but there's no need to come after him for it.
In regards to game design discussions, that's just generally a thing people will sort out in PMs, given (again, with personal experience) that there tends to be better results from using your friends as sounding boards rather than some randoms on the Internet.
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Replying to all this because it's cathartic for me, and if you don't listen to people you disagree with you stay stoopid. And incase there were any nuggests of truth I went through the effort(I am an extremely slow reader, I do have a reading disabilities that makes me take 4x longer to read, so apologies if some felt ignored, sorry I didn't update your vote King Zultan. Back when I was tracking them.)
Nobody cares
This was my most active proposal. One I made in 2016 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=160328.0) got 6 replies in comparison to this thread's 40+ and 14 votes basically in a single morning.
I'm not sure it's worth bothering Toady about
And you're proving a point about what I said re: your views on your position in this community. You took it upon yourself to state to a man who is entirely too busy for this petty minuscule nonsense that you're going to maybe perhaps say something important at a later date, and it's this? And in doing so grant yourself the position of speaker for the entirety of us as if we elected you to represent the subforum's collective thoughts? Puhhhlease.
How? Why? Who should I take my suggestion to before ToadyOne? Explain how I expressed this and what should have happened differently.
I do not sumbit to the overwhelming apathy that we should never dare to ask for a thread to be stickied or unstickied if it serves the community. ToadyOne really is a good sport about it, and this is not a daily consideration, unlike all the moderation for the forums he does.
Roseheart's weird bureaucratic conceits are particularly rich for someone who can't even keep a game running!
99% of my games don't finish it's true. And even though I've hit a good stride as of late I don't carry any bags or weight on my shoulders about it. Life happens, and trying something new has merit and value even if it reveals itself to be overambitious. I do take pride in creating something fresh, and my consistency there is something I am very proud of.
Roseheart, I think you should consider that almost all categories in that 'Feedback' box you posted are opposed to the idea. At best they are ambivalent. Literally nobody has posted in support. I don't know who the folks are voting in favour in the poll, but they don't seem to care enough to actually post in the thread.
As for the argument that stickying Gaming Block would make it more popular... how's that working out for the Forum Game List?
I have to say, I'd almost support NUKE as moderator, almost, because even when he's tearing me down, I end up smiling. However the idea that introverts don't deserve consideration is not something I could get behind.
It would be NICE to have a general moderator to manage stickies and general moderation to---wait for it---give Toady less work.
Lets not discount the possibility that little roseheart here is playing sockpuppetry either, in order to vote for his own poll as he seems painfully invested in this. Now that would just be utterly pathetic, wouldn't it?
Having alts is a serious violation (and accusation) on Bay 12. I have one alt that I haven't touched since 2016, which was before I knew I could ask for a username change.
Isn't this the same guy who made the completely pointless bitmap? And then demanded somebody else make "a flag" for it?
Okay, zoomer.
Well I'm probably older than you if you're using terminology like 'zoomer'. Yeah! I thought it would be cool to collaberate and still do. You can see the participating artists work in the Forum Game List bitmap.
Ayup. Most often when someone wants to talk about putting together a game here, they just take it to some Discord server or other.
The problem with discords is that Toady can't be sure they can be held accountable to the forum guidlines, so it is helpful to have a safe space for basic functions like this.
Yes, but what would Sun Tzu say about all this?
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Pretty much what it says on the tin, a Fire Emblem tabletop system.
Uh. Can... you be more explanatory wrt what that actually means?
Its a weeb waifu video game that they removed the video part from.
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Pretty much what it says on the tin, a Fire Emblem tabletop system.
Uh. Can... you be more explanatory wrt what that actually means?
Its a weeb waifu video game that they removed the video part from.
Thanks, yes, that was my actual question, and while they didn't technically answer it, I did ultimately figure it out already. I hadn't heard of it before, but then, not being a weeb, you'd expect this.
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Few really use Gaming Block though... Just unsticky "Let's Plays Moved", that will provide more of a benefit.
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Few really use Gaming Block though... Just unsticky "Let's Plays Moved", that will provide more of a benefit.
+1
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Few really use Gaming Block though... Just unsticky "Let's Plays Moved", that will provide more of a benefit.
+1
i see no point in doing so.
Like what is said benefit?
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Few really use Gaming Block though... Just unsticky "Let's Plays Moved", that will provide more of a benefit.
+1
i see no point in doing so.
Like what is said benefit?
Do people use that link? It would be one more game on the first page. Though, I'm just saying that because I don't use it and I'm presuming others don't do either.
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There is no point in removing the sticky, I see no benefit in getting rid of it. Nor is there a point in keeping Gaming Block around.
Also I feel like I'm the only one here that doesn't like that discord thing, it seems like social media and I want no part of it.
Also also we don't need a separate moderator for the forum games section as I've never seen anything happen on this part of the board that warrants having one.
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I get what you are saying Power Miner about Discord already functioning as a sounding board and meetup. Personally I've all but sworn off Discord as as much of a powder kegg as this thread was to voice random criticism upon me personally, things can be even more volatile in livechat where people have even less time to reconsider hitting send. It sounds like I am not the only one to prefer to stay on the forums.
I took the suggestion to make a new thread and see how it fairs: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178073.0
NUKE I feel you've conflated criticism for my proposal and literally very specific personal attacks.. as the same thing. It is no wonder some don't want to throw their voice and name into the discussion unanonymously. Things got pretty cynical and frenzied pretty fast. My usual harassers punched-in, but total unfamiliars like Stik3r smelt blood and joined in a good ol' fashion curb stomp, yeehaw!
Strik3r, I see after your initial jab about me using alts for votes, that you did have some honest feedback.
I suspect I overlooked a lot off honest feedback. Like I said, I am a slow reader, and if it started off with low blows I skimmed over it, perhaps I missed some good points my first time around.
I had been talking to ToadyOne about a number of things over the past few days before I posted this, so yes that I had a proposal in mind but I wanted to run it by friends/others came up.