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Title: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Kyselina on November 11, 2007, 09:10:00 am
Check it out!

Fascinating.

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Dwemeri on November 11, 2007, 10:26:00 am
Only 4th place!?!

I actually feel kinda chocked by the fact that Darwinia, Flow and Cave Story, although excellent games per say, beat Dwarf Fortress. Well, at least its mentioned and I guess it's good PR for the game, but still...

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Mephisto on November 11, 2007, 10:40:00 am
This is a list, not a ranking.

Even if it was, how well known is DF when compared to those three games? All of the games were taken from a larger list that people on their forums suggested.

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Bullion on November 11, 2007, 10:56:00 am
this game beat the Shiva?!?

that game has a rabbi, which makes it the greatest ever!

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Funkadelic Jive Turkey on November 11, 2007, 12:27:00 pm
Also, Dwarf Fortress is an alpha and it's up there against finished games made by teams (such as Sam @ Max)
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Fenrir on November 11, 2007, 12:35:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Funkadelic Jive Turkey:
<STRONG>Also, Dwarf Fortress is an alpha and it's up there against finished games made by teams (such as Sam @ Max)</STRONG>

Even in alpha, Dwarf Fortress is the greatest game ever. I pity the those foolish souls who would turn up their nose at this game because they consider its graphics inferior, and behave as though it is somehow beneath them.
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: GameHat on November 11, 2007, 03:52:00 pm
Heh, like was said, I don't think it's a rating, just a "50 best indie games"

Nice that DF was #4 though - more exposure for those too lazy to click through all the pages!

I was pleased to see Deady Rooms of Death (DROD) on there too.  Probably the most mind bending puzzle game I've ever enjoyed.

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Nesoo on November 11, 2007, 05:06:00 pm
That list is how I discovered DF a few months ago.

DF has consumed my every waking moment since  :D

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Funkadelic Jive Turkey on November 11, 2007, 05:31:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Fenrir:
<STRONG>
Even in alpha, Dwarf Fortress is the greatest game ever. I pity the those foolish souls who would turn up their nose at this game because they consider its graphics inferior, and behave as though it is somehow beneath them.</STRONG>


1) I agree with GameHat, it seems to be just a list, not a rating.

2) I wasn't implying that it's not #1 because it's an alpha, rather that it is a great accomplishment considering an alpha version of a work in progress is already heralded as one of the best indie (or not indie!) games of all time.

3a) There's no reason to condescend on people who can't overcome the DF graphics. It's very hard for people to understand (and therefore get into) that aren't used to roguelikes and the sort. I've friends who simply are too keyboard defunct to really get into the game too. Personally I can play it when I come home hammered at 4 am with minimal fuss cause I'm used to it, but it's strange, foreign, and unattractive territory for the uninitiated.

3b) I know this isn't the place to complain but lets quit with the whole holier-than-thou internet rejection of aestheticism. I'm sure everyone's sexual fantasies are rife with ugly people with hearts of gold...

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Kyselina on November 12, 2007, 04:06:00 am
Well, its more like 50 good indie games.
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Grue on November 12, 2007, 04:40:00 am
Yeah, some of these games would definitely be not in my top 50. I particularly detest platformers. I mean, someone still plays that shit?
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: DwarfFrog on November 12, 2007, 05:31:00 am
I was pleased to see Mount&Blade, this game is really awesome. And you can play it freely until level 6.
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Kyselina on November 12, 2007, 08:29:00 am
I got full version of it.
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Necro on November 12, 2007, 09:54:00 am
Especially now with villages to plunder. But my computer can't support in anymore.. damn you progress!
Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Hellzon on November 12, 2007, 09:57:00 am
Oh, some nice suggestions on there. I've been bookmarking some for lazy days.

And It's definitely not a ranking. Battle for Wesnoth is on page 4, and it's probably the open source game.

FreeCiv, FreeCol and Open Transport Tycoon are also missing, but clones of commercial games might not qualify.   ;)

[ November 12, 2007: Message edited by: Hellzon ]

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Kjoery on November 12, 2007, 10:09:00 am
Cave story is a much more intuitive game thank Dwarf fortress, while also having a masterful soundtrack, well-crafted graphics, a good storyline, beautiful gameplay, and interesting level design.

A masterpiece which is easy to pick up should be ranked higher than a masterpiece which is much less intuitive and frustrating to learn, in my opinion.

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Lightning4 on November 12, 2007, 04:58:00 pm
Hum. Noctis didn't make the list, how sad.

Of course its fan-base is rather... small.

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Devastator on November 12, 2007, 06:48:00 pm
Not to mention insane.

I was hoping to see Allegiance on there, but guess it isn't indy enough.

[ November 12, 2007: Message edited by: Devastator ]

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Aargh on November 13, 2007, 04:27:00 am
The ones from that list I've played:

Cave Story: Simply great game.
Darwinia: Another great game. Very original.
Flow: Incredibly boring after 5 minutes.
Dwarf Fortress: Well, what can I say...    :D
Gish: Interesting platformer.
Toribash: Stupidly awesome. Heaps of fun.
Warning Forever: Interesting if you like Shmups.
Façade: Interesting game, but pretty dull. Worth a try, but not more.
Armadillo Run: Very fun game.
Cortex Command: Great game, but it desperately needs multiplayer.
Kingdom of Loathing: Some love it, some hate it. I think it's a bit boring.
Battle for Wesnoth: While I dislike the battle mechanics, it's a good game. It's also open-source, which is always a good thing.
Truck Dismount: Not much of a game, but a great time-waster.
Dungeon Crawl: One of the easiest Roguelikes to get into and somewhat simple compared to the likes of Nethack, it still offers loads of possibilities and replay value.
Death Worm: Lots of fun, but not for long. Nice time-waster though.
Lugaru: Fun, but the controls are way too clunky.

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Aargh ]

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Skyrage on November 13, 2007, 11:47:00 am
By the way - speaking of Warning Forever - there's BattleShips Forever which is a strategy game that is inspired by/based on Warning Forever. It's one hell of a great game as well, specially since you can design your own ships and - well - your imagination is your only limit I guess :P

Battleships Forever

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Skyrage ]

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: frostedfire on November 14, 2007, 07:22:00 am
hmm warning forever might have ot get back to that, always got up to lvl 15/16 and then died to time/lifeloss  :(

least that's when I get bored of dwarf and team fortress  :D

Title: Re: 5O top indie games - which place is dwarf fortress?
Post by: Guy on November 14, 2007, 07:42:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Grue:
<STRONG>[About platformers]
I mean, someone still plays that shit?</STRONG>

Many would (and do) ask the same thing about text-based games like Rogue and Dwarf Fortress.