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Title: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Hapchazzard on October 30, 2018, 09:24:27 am
I'm curious as to what the forum's thoughts/predictions are on how long the 'Big Wait' will be? My personal thoughts are that it will be at least two years, or more than three if Toady decides to also add in a secondary magical system like basic alchemy on the first pass. After that, I predict that It'll take at least one and a half years for proper planar mechanics to also get added (assuming they'll be done on a second pass), or two years if alchemy/magical metallurgy is instead implemented on a second pass along with said planar mechanics. What are your thoughts?

EDIT: Predictions so far:

Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 15th, 2022
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
PlumpHelmetMan: September 15th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Criperum : July 15th, 2023 (mid summer)
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: quekwoambojish on October 30, 2018, 09:46:44 am
I thought the big wait was going to start almost a year ago with the demonstration announcements and whatnot. Long waits that weren’t called ‘the long wait’ have taken 2 years before.

I’m guessing 4 years +

But what’s nice with this, is Toady now makes mini releases much more frequently, so that’s nice and exciting in the meantime. Hopefully the long wait has a couple of those, otherwise like before, I’ll wait a year for mods to ramp up, and I’ll play those until the main release. (Looking at you Meph!)

My biggest concern is post long wait. I wonder if DF will still be the primary concern. My life has conditioned me to believing DF is a constant in our world, but idk, I get a feeling Toady might pick up something else after the long wait. Anyone else get that feeling at all?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: KittyTac on October 30, 2018, 10:00:24 am
DF is a project for life for Toady. It's not like he's going to trash his plans after more than 15 years of development. The wait probably won't be 4 years long. Maybe 3.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: quekwoambojish on October 30, 2018, 01:55:17 pm
DF is a project for life for Toady. It's not like he's going to trash his plans after more than 15 years of development. The wait probably won't be 4 years long. Maybe 3.

I didn’t say trash, I said primary concern.

This is the longest projected dev cycle for a release that I remember seeing (and I think I started following the cycles in 2008-9ish). Some of  the rhetoric lately just feels that way is all, I think it was one of the talks last year he mentioned possibility of it (could be a false memory). I couldn’t blame him if he wanted a side distraction after this release.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Telgin on October 30, 2018, 02:04:12 pm
At least 2 years, almost certainly.  As quekwoambojish said, even when Toady didn't call out previous releases as coming after a Big Wait, that's about how long they took.  Maybe Toady is just being more cognizant of the time required after having gone through so much development, or maybe he's acknowledging that it's going to be a very large undertaking, bigger than the ones before it.

Then again, one reason for previous releases taking so long are all of the rabbit holes he ends up going down.  For example, if I'm not mistaken he originally planned for the "night creature" release to come before October of one year, and it ended up dragging on for almost a full year longer because he ended up needing to add things like the interaction system to handle necromancy.  Maybe this time he has a better idea of what will be required.  Personal experience with programming tells me that there will be a lot of surprises anyway though.

My biggest concern is post long wait. I wonder if DF will still be the primary concern. My life has conditioned me to believing DF is a constant in our world, but idk, I get a feeling Toady might pick up something else after the long wait. Anyone else get that feeling at all?

I doubt DF will stop being Toady's primary focus any time soon, but he did mention once a few years back that he had other projects he was working on occasionally now.  What their status is is anyone's guess, and as far as I know he hasn't even said what they are.

Unless that was a fever dream I had... my memory isn't what it used to be.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: therahedwig on October 30, 2018, 02:42:12 pm
I wouldn't worry about it. After the move to 3d the thing that really changed everything around and kinda marks modern df is the addition of material changes(that's also when hospitals and the current underground were added), and Toady just kept on chugging after that :)

Also, it might be you are remembering the end-of-month project which he was talking about which afaik was... the mythgen :)

My best guess is 2, 2.5 years. The longest we've had up till now is 2 years, which was... Either the town one or the one with the emotions.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Beag on October 30, 2018, 04:24:37 pm
My guess is around 3 to 4 years. I hope Tarn keeps supplying us with interesting anecdotes about the bugs he finds during his time working on the myth and magic update.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: DG on October 31, 2018, 07:04:46 am
Such pessimism in this thread stemming from vague feelings of uncertain origin. If you're worried, the chances are that it's your personal fear of disappointment that is the source, not something unremembered that Toady has or hasn't done or said.

More on topic: there's no way he'll let it get to 4 years. 2 years at most is my guess so long as his finances stay stable.

It'll be fun to come back to this after the release to see how far off we are. ;D
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bumber on October 31, 2018, 05:42:53 pm
Such pessimism in this thread stemming from vague feelings of uncertain origin. If you're worried, the chances are that it's your personal fear of disappointment that is the source, not something unremembered that Toady has or hasn't done or said.
"Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law."

Myth and Magic was kind of supposed to have already started by now.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on October 31, 2018, 07:16:25 pm
Wait, according to whom? Pretty sure I remember Toady saying that the preparations would go well into fall of 2018, so we're not off-schedule just yet.

Of course, that ETA could itself be the result of an earlier delay for all I know.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: DG on November 01, 2018, 02:36:15 am
Work on Myth and Magic has already started if you count the prototype myth generator and the planning already done but that isn't specifically about the length of the wait between the last non M&M release and the first save-breaking M&M release.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 01, 2018, 02:49:55 am
Wait, according to whom? Pretty sure I remember Toady saying that the preparations would go well into fall of 2018, so we're not off-schedule just yet.

Of course, that ETA could itself be the result of an earlier delay for all I know.
Initial eta was "about 6 months" made in April.
Later predictions were "around the end of this year".

So, kind of overtime from the first prediction, but Toady's never been that accurate. Last Big Wait was about a year over the first prediction he made...
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 13, 2018, 11:47:38 am
Maybe we could all say a guess on this (future) date, and bury this thread after that, for a while, until the big wait ends ? That would be some fun !
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: KittyTac on November 13, 2018, 10:39:39 pm
2 years. 3 if something goes wrong.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: thefriendlyhacker on November 13, 2018, 11:33:24 pm
Maybe we could all say a guess on this (future) date, and bury this thread after that, for a while, until the big wait ends ? That would be some fun !
May 12th, 2021 +-1 week.

Bam.

Gaze in awe, future onlookers, and wonder at the source of my incredible divining skills.

The trick is to only make predictions semi-seriously.  That way, I don't have a 98% failure rate.  I have a 98% sarcasm rate.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 14, 2018, 05:01:35 am
Let's do this :) (perhaps the OP could edit and add list ?)

thefriendlyhacker : May 12th, 2021
Inarius : Sept 15th, 2021
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 14, 2018, 05:35:07 am
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Inarius: Sept 15th, 2021
PlumpHelmetMan: February 5th, 2022

Better safe than sorry, after all. :P
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on November 14, 2018, 05:35:34 pm
What the heck, I'll take a gander at this:
At the rate things are going, the Big Wait will probably start between March and April of 2019. During this period, Toady will have to thoroughly rewrite the map system and greatly expand procedural generation (and everything that touches), in addition to tinkering with world-gen, revamping wizards, entwining magic with the world, and who knows what else. By comparison, 40.01 comprised world activation, fortress retirement, multi-tile trees, new site maps, various combat and movement changes, rumors, a conversation overhaul, a mind overhaul, and vaults. It's not an easy comparison, as the former is colorful and grandiose, while the latter was far more practical, concerned largely with the fundamentals of gameplay. In some ways, myth gen springs quite naturally from existing systems, but it's still far more dynamic and modular than Dwarf Fortress has ever been. I could see Tarn taking a year on creation myths alone. And the rest of what he's dealing with is easily twice as complex as the Villain Arc, which by my estimation will take about 9 months. This leaves me with an admittedly broad estimate of 2 1/2 years, or September-October 2021.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 14, 2018, 06:20:00 pm
Looks like we might end up with an "autumn 2021" consensus, though I guess it's a bit early to say.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 14, 2018, 11:47:53 pm
And throwing in some reckless optimism, I say:
January 21st 2021.

After all, it's ToadyOne who coined the term Big Wait, implying "bigger wait than ever before" and when have his predictions ever been on target?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 15, 2018, 03:02:09 am
so this leaves us with

thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Inarius: Sept 15th, 2021
PlumpHelmetMan: February 5th, 2022
Urlance Woolsbane : Sept 15th, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 21st, 2021
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 15, 2018, 03:14:36 am
so this leaves us with

thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Inarius: Sept 15th, 2021
PlumpHelmetMan: February 5th, 2022
Urlance Woolsbane : Sept 15th, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 21th, 2021
21st... :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 15, 2018, 04:38:08 am
Sorry (edited). English is not my mother tongue, after all...Nevertheless, i'm quite surprised to see you more optimistic than other people ! (PlumpHelmetMan, one more year than you, for instance)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: VislarRn on November 15, 2018, 10:43:40 am
Usually Toady seems to fall terribly into planning fallacy when making predictions.

According to that, I think that the Big Wait will be over in February 24th, 2023.
Pessimistic, but on the positive side, Toady probably gets a bit sidetracked also, resulting some more features and game mechanics, we originally didn't expect to be in M&M update at all.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 15, 2018, 01:06:50 pm
Yeah, honestly I'm just as interested to keep up with the devlogs and see how mythgen unfolds as I am for the final product, seeing as we only have a fairly general idea of what it will entail in the first place. I'm sure Toady has a ton of ideas in mind that he's never shared with any of us.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: malvado on November 16, 2018, 05:15:01 pm
Personally my best guess is "The Long Wait will end 2023"
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: quekwoambojish on November 20, 2018, 01:18:39 am
so this leaves us with

thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Inarius: Sept 15th, 2021
PlumpHelmetMan: February 5th, 2022
Urlance Woolsbane : Sept 15th, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 21th, 2021
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 20, 2018, 02:58:45 am
better like this :
(please reuse this list if you want to add your date)

Shonai_Dweller : Jan 21st, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane : Sept 15th, 2021
Inarius: Sept 15th, 2021
PlumpHelmetMan: February 5th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Malvado :December 31st,2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on November 20, 2018, 10:02:44 pm
Calling it now.
This current Big Wait for the Big Wait development cycle will conclude in June 2019.

And I'll be wanting to revise my Big Wait prediction if I'm proven right....
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 20, 2018, 10:07:56 pm
Me too.

Not gonna revise my 2022 prediction just yet, but at the very least I'm gonna shift it to summer or early autumn of that year.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: mikekchar on November 21, 2018, 04:41:21 am
My prediction (which will come false... is that the opposite of "come true") first is: Toady will have a change of heart and decide that incremental development with a strategy of "release early and release often" is the best way to go after all.  There will be no big wait.

And if that comes true, I expect some serious kudos.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Hapchazzard on November 23, 2018, 09:43:35 am
Sorry for abandoning the thread, everyone! Had some IRL stuff so I didn't visit the forums for some time. Updated the OP now, though.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 23, 2018, 10:17:42 am
you forgot to update plumphelmet's prediction :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 23, 2018, 11:41:34 am
To be specific, September 15th, 2022 is my new prediction. You can update accordingly.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Hapchazzard on November 23, 2018, 02:00:41 pm
To be specific, September 15th, 2022 is my new prediction. You can update accordingly.

Alright, thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Witty on November 23, 2018, 04:09:48 pm
My guess, assuming the coming release will be around February/March;

December 10th, 2022.

Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Casany on November 26, 2018, 01:55:18 pm
I suspect it'll probably be around July 23rd 2021

I mean he's already shown off prototypes of the myth generator, we can't assume he just hasn't even started on it yet,
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on November 27, 2018, 10:10:34 am
Well yes, the part about linking the myth generator itself up with worldgen so that creation myths appear in legends mode should be fairly straightforward. But then there's the incredibly complex matter of making the postgen world consistent with the myths that would be generated in a way that matters in gameplay terms, right down to history, creatures, landscapes, belief systems, magic etc. (and keep in mind, the myths will be completely different with every worldgen).

So yeah, all that'll take a while, but the finished result should be worth the wait.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on November 27, 2018, 11:27:13 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(5th/Jun/2021, just ferthehellofit)


OP: I think the idea is to order the list chronologically.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Hapchazzard on November 27, 2018, 02:29:44 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(5th/Jun/2021, just ferthehellofit)


OP: I think the idea is to order the list chronologically.

Sorry, didn't catch that initially! Fixed it now.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Real_bang on December 02, 2018, 03:10:40 pm
Id say first version of myth and magic will be around may 15th 2021
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Grand Sage on December 07, 2018, 05:19:03 pm
Toady never finishes on time :P january 1th, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on January 08, 2019, 05:54:23 pm
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 21st, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
PlumpHelmetMan: September 15th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Malvado: December 31st, 2023

Updated (and updated for my prediction)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 08, 2019, 09:44:16 pm
Now that we're past the 6 month mark for the villains release I think I should modify my prediction a little. I'll say Big Wait begins in October 2019 (Ooh, a new game!) and won't be that much Bigger than previous Waits. Bearing in mind travel and end of  year disruption, Myth release for January 15th 2022.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Asin on January 08, 2019, 10:10:14 pm
I think the Myth and Magic Release may come around January 24th, 2023.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: bloop_bleep on January 09, 2019, 01:29:15 am
The trick is to only make predictions semi-seriously.  That way, I don't have a 98% failure rate.  I have a 98% sarcasm rate.

Frickin’ brilliant. I’m sigging this, if you don’t mind.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on January 09, 2019, 03:08:59 am
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 15th, 2022
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
PlumpHelmetMan: September 15th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Malvado: December 31st, 2023


I think we should lock it after a while. Like a time capsule.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 09, 2019, 03:57:27 am
Once the Wait actually begins, yeah.
No fun for anyone if we're just getting started come 2022.  :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on January 09, 2019, 04:54:37 am
yes, good idea. Therefore, it will gives everyone a good year of waiting before the waiting actually begins. :D
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on January 09, 2019, 06:21:05 am
I'd say summer 2023.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: thvaz on January 09, 2019, 08:53:55 am
It will take 3-4 years.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: mikekchar on January 18, 2019, 06:02:14 am
Not that I have any chance of winning, but the standings do no reflect my "Toady will cancel the Big Wait" prediction.  Perhaps I could have "cancelled"?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: KittyTac on January 18, 2019, 08:22:41 am
24th of October, 2022.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on January 18, 2019, 08:45:37 am
update

thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 15th, 2022
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
PlumpHelmetMan: September 15th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Criperum : July 15th, 2023 (mid summer)
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: voliol on January 19, 2019, 05:21:50 pm
This seems fun. 2021-09-19 (Sept 19th, 2021)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Death Dragon on January 20, 2019, 12:13:40 pm
1st of October 2021.
This is depending on Toady skipping over the other pre-magic candidates like adventure mode medical system, better sieges, etc though.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Beag on January 21, 2019, 01:29:21 pm
July 7th 2022 is my guess for completion of the big wait.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Sanctume on January 22, 2019, 10:54:15 am
My prediction will be April 5, 2021 (Monday), that is approximately 14 days after 1st of Spring (March 21) in 2021.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on January 22, 2019, 01:16:24 pm
Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
Shonai_Dweller : Jan 15th, 2022
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
PlumpHelmetMan: September 15th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
Criperum : July 15th, 2023 (mid summer)
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Hapchazzard on January 22, 2019, 09:52:37 pm
Updated, thanks to Inarius for keeping track of the predictions!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Dragonsploof on February 02, 2019, 08:06:42 am
22th Febuary 2022
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Tinnucorch on March 19, 2019, 08:11:40 am
I'm going to say November 1st, 2022.
My (not really grounded in anything) guess is that Toady does not want to keep us waiting for more than three years, but it will be inevitable.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on March 19, 2019, 05:45:28 pm
Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
Dragonsploof : Feb 22nd, 2022
Inarius: April 15th, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
Shonai_Dweller : May 30th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Tinnucorch : Nov 1st 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
PlumpHelmetMan: February 18th, 2023
Criperum : July 15th, 2023 (mid summer)
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 19, 2019, 05:57:36 pm
January 20th, 2024. Don't ask, this is me being pessimistic.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 19, 2019, 06:00:59 pm
January 20th, 2024. Don't ask, this is me being pessimistic.
Seems reasonable considering we've just been hit with another delay to the start of the Big Wait.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on March 19, 2019, 06:02:38 pm
I think i'll let everyone change their prevision after next release because of this.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Tinnucorch on March 19, 2019, 06:25:31 pm
I've just realised that I made my estimation without taking into account the thing about giving support to the new graphics, ha ha.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on March 19, 2019, 08:25:21 pm
Gonna update my estimate again sorry. October start seems way too optimistic now.
Villains plus following patches complete by July. Steam update by October. Armies rabbit-hole complete by Feb 2020 and into Big Wait.

So keeping my estimation of Big Wait length about the same, I say May 30th 2022 (which I'll keep regardless of whether he finishes everything faster than I guessed here).
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on March 19, 2019, 08:44:02 pm
Gonna update my prediction too. Put me down for February 18th, 2023.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on March 19, 2019, 09:32:48 pm
I can't remember (and haven't yet checked my old post for clues) what were my actual reasons for the date as shown. I'll probably not change my guess. If it was just a guess then a new guess would still only be a guess. If it was inspired by genuine future information flowing back through some temporal conduit, then it surely was information already based around the events surrounding the Steam situation, so it would be foolish to throw that away!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: DG on March 19, 2019, 11:55:10 pm
That's why I guessed how long the big wait will be, as per the title, irrespective of when it starts.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on March 20, 2019, 08:16:54 am
Entirely correct! Though it's now doubly uncertain whether your guess will be as accurate, now that it seems that the start-date is made fuzzy by the division of labour setting up the Steam-side development. ;)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on April 02, 2019, 06:53:50 pm
With all that steam and stuff I'm going to change my prediction as well. Let it be mid July 2025
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on April 03, 2019, 06:02:58 am
Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
Dragonsploof : Feb 22nd, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
Shonai_Dweller : May 30th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Tinnucorch : Nov 1st 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
PlumpHelmetMan: February 18th, 2023
Inarius: April 15th, 2023
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
methylatedspirit: January 20th, 2024
Criperum : July 15th, 2025 (mid summer)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: George_Chickens on April 03, 2019, 06:28:32 am
I say somewhere around June or August of 2025
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: nimbus25 on April 03, 2019, 12:37:24 pm
I'm going to guess it'll be about a year and a half max for villains + graphics/ui overhaul to be finished, so I'll guess the Big Wait will finish some time around April 21 2022
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Craftsdwarf boi on April 29, 2019, 11:48:36 pm
2021 late October (10.20-25)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: pvtvega on May 09, 2019, 04:28:23 pm
I'm OOTL. What's the big wait?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Superdorf on May 09, 2019, 05:15:59 pm
During the development of Dwarf Fortress, there's been a few times during which Toady spent several years working on a single update. These times are referred to as "Big Waits", and something amazing invariably comes of them. Toady intends to embark on another Big Wait sometime soon, during which he will implement mythology and various kinds of magic. This upcoming Big Wait is the one we're referring to here.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 09, 2019, 05:25:17 pm
During the development of Dwarf Fortress, there's been a few times during which Toady spent several years working on a single update. These times are referred to as "Big Waits", and something amazing invariably comes of them. Toady intends to embark on another Big Wait sometime soon, during which he will implement mythology and various kinds of magic. This upcoming Big Wait is the one we're referring to here.
It's worth noting that previous Waits are only called Big Waits retrospectively. Mythgen is the first Wait that Toady ever referred to as Big. So...likely to be very Big, I guess.

For reference, the last proper Wait was 2012-2014, 25 months as I recall.

Funny thing about this upcoming Big wait is that it's been delayed twice (once when Villains suddenly turned out to be a year long project and again with the UI improvement arc in preparation for Steam release). So we're currently waiting for the Wait. Making this thread  increasingly silly as people's initial guesses are passed before the damn Wait even begins.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: mikekchar on May 10, 2019, 03:33:34 am
Do remember, of course, that *somebody* predicted that there would be no big wait and that instead Toady would change to incremental updates :-)  I'm *still* not on the board for that ;-)  When I made my prediction I thought my odds were exactly 0.  However, now that he's going to Steam, I actually wonder if market pressures will force him to change his development style.  It doesn't seem quite so far fetched to me as it did before.  Still pretty unlikely, though.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on May 10, 2019, 04:24:51 am
Do remember, of course, that *somebody* predicted that there would be no big wait and that instead Toady would change to incremental updates :-)  I'm *still* not on the board for that ;-)  When I made my prediction I thought my odds were exactly 0.  However, now that he's going to Steam, I actually wonder if market pressures will force him to change his development style.  It doesn't seem quite so far fetched to me as it did before.  Still pretty unlikely, though.
He's mentioned the Big Wait a few times since Steam release in interviews and such. I imagine the long time without a release during the Wait and possibility of donations drying up is part of the pressure to release on Steam. So actually, seems more likely he'll take his time now (and perhaps take a summer holiday too hopefully).
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: auzewasright on June 13, 2019, 01:55:56 pm
Until next Thursday.
Edit: just realized I did a necro.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on June 13, 2019, 04:20:16 pm
Until next Thursday.
Edit: just realized I did a necro.
Every week is a Big Wait for those who follow the devblog. :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Putnam on June 15, 2019, 04:18:57 pm
Until next Thursday.
Edit: just realized I did a necro.

Pff, it's just one month, and the topic's still totally relevant.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Aelwen on June 16, 2019, 03:18:14 pm
I don't know what to say. On the one hand Toady is pressed to make his Steam update but after he does it it will cause more problems as people who will buy it will require more quality for their money. Bugs  will have to be resolved....

So he'll have to support the Steam version and develop the classic. Considering the "FPS death issue and tons of bugs..."

Put me for mid autumn 2025.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on June 17, 2019, 07:11:40 am
I'll make a generl update in a month or two, so feel free to post or update your predictions :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: yoji001 on June 23, 2019, 03:35:55 pm
Easily Q3 or Q4 2021!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Nordlicht on November 26, 2020, 08:29:29 am
December 2024
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on November 26, 2020, 09:34:35 am
Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
yoji001:End 2021
Dragonsploof : Feb 22nd, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
Shonai_Dweller : May 30th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Tinnucorch : Nov 1st 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
PlumpHelmetMan: February 18th, 2023
Inarius: April 15th, 2023
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
methylatedspirit: January 20th, 2024
Nordlicht:December 2024
Criperum : July 15th, 2025 (mid summer)
Aelwen:15 Oct 2025


let's say we will all update after Steam release. Some people made their prediction before the steam thing so that would be unfair :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: BandaTalk on December 04, 2020, 09:24:08 pm
November 23rd, 2023
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on December 04, 2020, 09:38:01 pm
October 3rd, 1995.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on December 05, 2020, 07:29:01 am
Possibly in the far future in the year 6000.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Nordlicht on December 05, 2020, 11:31:45 am
Possibly in the far future in the year 6000.

In the year 7510
If Updates a-comin, Toad oughta make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the release day
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Fikilili on December 05, 2020, 11:37:40 am
Before Yandere Simulator is completely done.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: tonnot98 on December 05, 2020, 11:10:24 pm
Before Yandere Simulator is completely done.
We'll have 1.0 before that's out of alpha.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: IonMatrix on December 06, 2020, 10:25:43 am
After L4D3 comes out.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bumber on December 06, 2020, 02:56:32 pm
Before Half-life 3.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on December 07, 2020, 02:54:58 am
At the same time as Team Fortress 3.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: IonMatrix on December 07, 2020, 08:33:49 am
I predict it will come out on 2077, Feb 30.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: heritage727 on December 07, 2020, 09:00:56 am
Possibly in the far future in the year 6000.

In the year 7510
If Updates a-comin, Toad oughta make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the release day

Wow, that's obscure . . . you must be nearly as old as I am.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bumber on December 07, 2020, 09:22:45 am
IN A.D. 2101
FORTRESS WAS BEGINNING.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on December 07, 2020, 09:42:04 am
Wow, that's obscure . . . you must be nearly as old as I am.
Does that mean you (nearly) remember the '60s, or the millenium (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_2525)?

(I probably remember it more from an only slightly retro '70s revival/back-catalogue playing of the original, if that helps, with the series that pinched it being clearly modern cheesy-noatalgic at the time, so pick and choose your timings as you wish. Perhaps it's nearly time to come round again...?)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: heritage727 on December 07, 2020, 04:47:47 pm
Wow, that's obscure . . . you must be nearly as old as I am.
Does that mean you (nearly) remember the '60s, or the millenium (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_2525)?

(I probably remember it more from an only slightly retro '70s revival/back-catalogue playing of the original, if that helps, with the series that pinched it being clearly modern cheesy-noatalgic at the time, so pick and choose your timings as you wish. Perhaps it's nearly time to come round again...?)

I actually owned the 45. I was young enough to think it was a profound song.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on December 07, 2020, 05:30:29 pm
In the year 1,000,000 and a half, Dwarf Fortress is still in development but now by giraffe.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on December 07, 2020, 05:46:51 pm
In the year 1,000,000 and a half, Dwarf Fortress is still in development but now by giraffe.
You're sticking your neck out with that one...

((And to think I just took another chatty reply over to private message...))
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Pillbo on December 08, 2020, 02:10:59 am
June 2021 - Steam
August 2022 - Final Steam armies/villains/bug changes
Oct 2027 - Myth & Magic
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: voliol on December 08, 2020, 03:39:10 am
In the year 1,000,000 and a half, Dwarf Fortress is still in development but now by giraffe.
Is this Starbound's version naming scheme?

July 2021 - Steam
June 2022 - Final Steam armies/villains changes, but some bug fixes come later during what's technically the Big Wait
January 2026 - Myth & Magic
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on December 08, 2020, 08:27:23 am
In the year 1,000,000 and a half, Dwarf Fortress is still in development but now by giraffe.
You're sticking your neck out with that one...

((And to think I just took another chatty reply over to private message...))
I'm bit a rebel. Everyone can bite my shiny adamantine chausses))))
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: vladilima on December 10, 2020, 10:13:21 am
June 2021 - Steam Release
January 2022 - "Pre-Magic Improvement Candidates" and stuff
April 2024 - Myth & Magic

I will bet all my dwarfbucks on this prediction!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bortness on December 18, 2020, 11:38:19 am
April 2024

More like Smarch 2057 + 4
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bumber on December 15, 2022, 05:46:48 am
let's say we will all update after Steam release. Some people made their prediction before the steam thing so that would be unfair :)

Steam version is out. Time for new predictions?

Classic release should be soon. After that there'll probably be some bug fixes and misc improvements. I think villains pt.2 and army stuff might be before the Big Wait?

I predict the Big Wait for myths and magic will start around June 2024 and end October 1, 2026.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: voliol on December 15, 2022, 05:52:22 am
I'll keep my January 2026 just because it's fun that way. Foolish, perhaps, but most of us have been in regards to Steam so it doesn't change much really :P
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on December 15, 2022, 08:10:29 am
My prev. prediciton of mid summer 2023 obviously won't come true.
I think big wait will start at spring 2024.
But i really hope the Toady spend some time fixing UI/UX of steam version before adding new features. Or even hire someone to do this since steam sales went pretty good. 
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on December 15, 2022, 08:56:18 am
I think three years of Big Waiting feels about right. So long as you don't count the occasional fatal bug fix release, which should be more feasible now.

He kept us all waiting about that long for Steam, include thousands who had never played the game but wanted to and now he's a millionaire by all accounts. So, it's hard to argue the "intermittent releases are required to keep people interested" line. Though I guess he'll try.

So, ah, tons of stuff to do before Big Wait even begins. Villains, an actual time of focussing only on Adventurer, which is guaranteed to lead to immense rabbit holes, and Adventurer surely deserves the love now so that's fine, improved sieges. Interface updates of course.

So, forget whatever my last guess was (probably way past it already) and I'll say Big Wait will be 2025-2027. Assuming it is an actual Big Wait and not released a bit at a time (in which case, still 2027 to get all the bits out I reckon).
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on December 15, 2022, 01:49:11 pm
Until I know a lot more about much of this current development process, I'm going to stick to my original estimate...


Impossible, you say!?! Only if you don't believe in the power of the TimeCube!!!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on December 16, 2022, 03:41:39 am
If you guys want to be realistic I'd say 2028 would be when myth and magic comes out.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Bralbaard on December 16, 2022, 04:04:15 am
I think the dynamics might have changed a bit now that the game is on steam and a publisher is involved. I still think they'll work on the magic and myths and all that, but I'd expect it to be released in parts, and that the time of big waits may be behind us.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: jipehog on December 16, 2022, 06:01:12 am
If you guys want to be realistic I'd say 2028 would be when myth and magic comes out.
Sounds about right.

Few month more handling the steam release spotlight, squashing bugs and tying loose ends. Eventually releasing the updated classic release.
1-2 years till adventure mode update detour and polishing various aspects of the villain release.
4-5 years till Myth & Magic release.
 
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on December 18, 2022, 06:13:54 am
let's say we will all update after Steam release. Some people made their prediction before the steam thing so that would be unfair :)

Steam version is out. Time for new predictions?

Classic release should be soon. After that there'll probably be some bug fixes and misc improvements. I think villains pt.2 and army stuff might be before the Big Wait?

I predict the Big Wait for myths and magic will start around June 2024 and end October 1, 2026.

You are right, time for new prevision !

I'll say Big Wait will also start in June 2024. But will end in 2027, december.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Pillbo on December 19, 2022, 09:48:27 pm
June 2021 - Steam
August 2022 - Final Steam armies/villains/bug changes
Oct 2027 - Myth & Magic

Jan 2024 - adventure mode
June 2025 - armies/villains/bug changes
Oct 2029 - Myth & Magic
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on December 19, 2022, 10:12:35 pm
"bug changes" - That's when we lose a lot of the long-standing bugs (and 'bugs (https://xkcd.com/1172/)'!) and gain an equally sized set of completely novel and unpredictable errors/quirks/'undocumented features', right? ;)

Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on April 13, 2023, 06:16:37 am
Sanctume : April 5th, 2021
thefriendlyhacker: May 12th, 2021
Real_Bang : May 15th, 2021
Starver: June 5th, 2021
Casany: July 23rd, 2021
Voliol : Sept 19th, 2021
Urlance Woolsbane: Sept 15th, 2021
Death Dragon : Oct 1st, 2021
Dragonsploof : Feb 22nd, 2022
Beag : July 7th 2022
Shonai_Dweller : May 30th, 2022
KittyTac : Oct 24th, 2022
quekwoambojish : Oct 30th, 2022
Tinnucorch : Nov 1st 2022
Witty: December 10th, 2022
Grand Sage : January 1st, 2023
Asin : January 24th, 2023
VislarRn: February 24th, 2023
PlumpHelmetMan: February 18th, 2023

WE ARE HERE <----- (i can still be right, please release it in two days :D )

Inarius: April 15th, 2023
Malvado: December 31st, 2023
methylatedspirit: January 20th, 2024
Criperum : July 15th, 2025 (mid summer)


I think Steam has pushed everything 3 years delay, so what about i add 3 years in every prediction, and add the new on the "before steam predictions" ?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on April 13, 2023, 06:35:32 am
I still trust the TimeCube!!!
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on April 14, 2023, 01:12:13 am
Given the steam release I'd say 2031 is probably closer to the right time.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: dikbutdagrate on April 17, 2023, 11:13:08 pm
March 31st, 2026.

March 31st, 2027.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: brewer bob on April 17, 2023, 11:28:27 pm
Early 2030s. Let's say February 12th, 2032.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on April 18, 2023, 03:11:31 am
With Toady saying they are going to pay more attention to bugs and UI/UX - i think M&M is to be moved to 2027
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Nopenope on April 19, 2023, 03:15:49 am
There won't be a big wait, development will halt before that
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on April 20, 2023, 07:23:18 am
Nopenope, what do you mean ?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on April 21, 2023, 03:31:07 am
I think he's saying that Toady will stop working on the game before M&M happens.

I think that's the least likely thing to happen.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on April 21, 2023, 06:07:42 am
I think he's saying that Toady will stop working on the game before M&M happens.

I think that's the least likely thing to happen.

In understand it's what he is saying. It's just i don't understand based on what, hence my question :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: brewer bob on April 21, 2023, 07:02:33 am
I think he's saying that Toady will stop working on the game before M&M happens.

I think that's the least likely thing to happen.

In understand it's what he is saying. It's just i don't understand based on what, hence my question :)

First thing to come into my mind is that since the Steam release has delayed feature development, it will continue to do so in the future and Toady will be too old to code when he finally get's to work on the M&M release. Or something like that, I dunno.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on April 21, 2023, 08:22:19 am
You can't be too old to code. Plus Toady isn't that old.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Starver on April 21, 2023, 03:18:24 pm
What happens if you try to keep programming after you reach an age of doubleunsignedint.max+1?
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: King Zultan on April 22, 2023, 03:38:32 am
I'm sure the Steam stuff will eventually give way so new stuff can be added, it'll just be a bit.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: brewer bob on April 22, 2023, 03:51:22 am
I'm sure the Steam stuff will eventually give way so new stuff can be added, it'll just be a bit.

I'm expecting that after Adventure mode is re-introduced (this year sounds a bit too optimistic, so maybe halfway of 2024?), there'll be some months of fixing new issues, and after that's dealt with things will continue somewhat as they used to (perhaps with a slightly slower pace?). But before M&M development, there's quite a bit on the list: finishing the villains release, the improved sieges/army stuff and maybe something else that I can't remember? I'd expect those to take a couple years to do.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Criperum on April 22, 2023, 04:17:32 am
What happens if you try to keep programming after you reach an age of doubleunsignedint.max+1?
You start over
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: voliol on April 22, 2023, 11:31:09 am
It's not like Toady not being able to program, if limited by his physical humantoad body in some 4+ decades from now, will halt the development of DF either.

But I continue to be an optimist in the near-term. January 2026 for the first M&M. One of Toady and Threetoe's strongest suit is generating a bunch of stuff in the background to support the rest, be it histories, personalities, or villainous schemes, and the first M&M release could be that if they focus on the myths.
I suppose it depends on their mood too, will they shorten the "Big Wait" since there has already been one recently with the graphics, and release something with largely the map rewrite and some background myths? Or are they now more confident in a ~3 year long wait, and the community's ability to wait, and release the whole thing (https://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev.html), from "Hostility settings: No death or violence to regular settings to bleak and horrifying" to "Expanded elf/nature spirit diplomacy"? I'd hope for the more incremental, because it all seems so fun to play around with. :)
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Nopenope on May 03, 2023, 01:21:50 am
I think he's saying that Toady will stop working on the game before M&M happens.

I think that's the least likely thing to happen.

If all the other stuff takes the better part of 10 years (which is looking increasingly likely) plus he has to handle a bunch of business stuff, and when you factor in the likelihood of unforeseen events that may delay or halt development as 10 years is a long time (ranging from something 'trivial' like having to switch to whatever new cpu architecture, to another pandemic with incapacitating effects), the likelihood of a release actually coming out of all this becomes quite dim indeed. It's one of those asymptotic things.
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: Inarius on May 03, 2023, 10:17:08 am
Well, 10 years is long, but it's sure the game won't be finished in 10 years. So even if the big wait is finished or not finished, other things will be in development.
Remember, this is version 0,50, which means half the game is done in %. And it's been in dev for the last 20 years...
Title: Re: How long will the Big Wait be? [Speculation]
Post by: mate888 on May 08, 2023, 10:30:56 pm
If I had to bet i'd say we'd start seeing stuff from Myth & Magic implemented around late 2024 or early 2025