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[Thexor]

Empire Total War can have revolutions... It is incredably tough to play as the revolutionary though as it gives you a huge disadvantage (you lose all previous territory)

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

[Yaddy1]

Empire Total War can have revolutions... It is incredably tough to play as the revolutionary though as it gives you a huge disadvantage (you lose all previous territory)

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

This makes me want this game even more...

[Ampersand]

Empire Total War can have revolutions... It is incredably tough to play as the revolutionary though as it gives you a huge disadvantage (you lose all previous territory)

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

This makes me want this game even more...

The combat AI of Empire is frankly too poor to make the game as enjoyable as it's predecessors. Something in the switch to focusing on ranged combat has just caused something to get lost in translation. My first siege of a French Fortress was won quickly because by the time I got to the walls, the French already blew a hole through them with the cannons they had inside the fortress attempting to fire at me straight through the walls.

[Yaddy1]

Empire Total War can have revolutions... It is incredably tough to play as the revolutionary though as it gives you a huge disadvantage (you lose all previous territory)

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

This makes me want this game even more...

The combat AI of Empire is frankly too poor to make the game as enjoyable as it's predecessors. Something in the switch to focusing on ranged combat has just caused something to get lost in translation. My first siege of a French Fortress was won quickly because by the time I got to the walls, the French already blew a hole through them with the cannons they had inside the fortress attempting to fire at me straight through the walls.

...that's disappointing. Is Napoleon any better AI wise?

[Servant Corps]

Hidden Agenda, Plumphelmentpunk did a let's play:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PlumpHelmetPunk#p/c/E861AA00EBB6DDDF

Hidden Agenda bills itself as a "post-Revolutionary" game, and you usally end up trying to FIGHT revolutions rather than start them (either the death squads or peasent gurellias). Still, I recommend it, and I did an LP of that game a while back. I also like the Youtube video for showcasing me how to become a 'conservative' in that game (I always thought you were limited to being socialist or moderate).

Mr. Plumpy also said to play the game once every decade. Wish I knew of that advice before starting the LP.

[Yaddy1]

Hidden Agenda is an awesome game. I really do love it. I've just played it to death.

[a1s]

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

Is that what happened in mid-17 century England?

[Thexor]

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

Is that what happened in mid-17 century England?

Hey, if you want a realistic revolution, I can name a few politically-unstable countries that you could probably topple. For science, of course. 



The whole "AM --> Republic --> CM --> AM" loop is pretty unrealistic, but the idea of major governmental change generally only happening with some kind of serious motivation is completely realistic. Very few revolutions happened because people said, "Hey, we could probably do this better, right, guys? Let's just ask the ruling classes to give up their power, status, and money! That'll work!" Even non-violent revolutions generally occurred when the populace was seriously ticked off. And, well, the famous French Revolution certainly didn't happen because the lower class was 'mildly annoyed'... 

Empire Total War can have revolutions... It is incredably tough to play as the revolutionary though as it gives you a huge disadvantage (you lose all previous territory)

Indeed. And the best part is, the game mechanics encourage you to force revolutions - if you've got an Absolute Monarchy, the only way to switch to a Republic is to goad the peasants into revolting, then take control of the revolutionaries and win. (And then promptly stage another revolution if you really just wanted a Constitutional Monarchy.)

This makes me want this game even more...

The combat AI of Empire is frankly too poor to make the game as enjoyable as it's predecessors. Something in the switch to focusing on ranged combat has just caused something to get lost in translation. My first siege of a French Fortress was won quickly because by the time I got to the walls, the French already blew a hole through them with the cannons they had inside the fortress attempting to fire at me straight through the walls.

It's certainly not great (and a heads-up - higher difficulty levels don't improve the AI, they give ridiculous bonuses to AI units. Watch your trained line infantry break while exchanging fire with peasant militias!). But I haven't seen massive AI failings, especially during field battles. The AI really doesn't handle walls well, it's true - they'll garrison forts with cavalry, and deploy cannons inside their walls (though, contrary to your example, I usually witness cannons not firing at all, rather just sitting there until I breach their defenses). On an open field, they're remarkably more skilled, and provide at least a tangible opponent. And remember, unlike previous games, there's actually an incentive to not sitting in your secure castles - pillaging the countryside is effective.

Of course, the reason I suggested it was because it portrayed user-initiated revolutions, not necessarily because it was a dominant example of professional AI coding. 

[Virex]

The whole "AM --> Republic --> CM --> AM" loop is pretty unrealistic,

Well during the Fin de Siècle and WW1 Russian basically went trough AM -> CM -> CM in name but actually AM -> CM -> Democracy (but never got the chance to actually hold elections) -> Communist Dictatorship. And I've possibly missed some other things in between. What I'm saying is that during times of unrest things get weird (note that this whole process took from 1905 till 1917 and then some more before the Communist Dictatorship had fully regained control of the country)

[ChairmanPoo]

WARNING: Republic: the Revolution was a sucky game. Also I dont even know why they added a 3D graphic engine to that game. It doesnt make much sense

[umiman]

Have you guys considered Mount and Blade: Warband?

The basic vanilla game is pretty impressive with the revolutions and lordship and such but if you add the diplomacy mod, holy christ does the diplomatic and ruling options become varied.

If I were to describe it, I would say it's like a third person version of Medieval 1. Where you play a puny one person guy instead of God. So you start as a nobody and there's lots of stuff you can do, from trying to marry (or elope) some lord's daughter and start a national crisis or... if you're like me and the purpose of this thread, decide to be completely balls out nuts and recruit a couple hundred peasants right from the get go to storm a town / castle and establish the Riceball Monarchy where taxes are 0 and the ruler is going to die from the endless invasions by the other power hungry factions who refuse to acknowledge an upstart adventurer who thinks he is king.

And when you do get into a position of power, you can put your friends and companions as rulers of fiefs or advisors or whatnot and start your own melting pot of political in-house conflict which could lead to more revolutions. So, you could find that your awesome knight friend from the adventuring days is now trying to slit your throat at night because you didn't consider him for another piece of land.

You can also do things like ursup an existing king through political connections and effective negotiations or lots of well placed bribes to the right people, or financing a war through a proxy king / bastard child / spurned lover / pet donkey, or whatever the heck you want to do. Lots of options. Whnever I play I always have a sort of plan in my mind which never works out, as all the other political and military movements (which are done by hundreds AI players at the same time as you) foils or presents new opportunities.

edit: I just kinda wish the game would let me execute enemy lords, generals and heroes. Right now, you can only hold them prisoner indefinitely or release them. No way for me to "thin" the enemy herd so to speak.

[Tellemurius]

Have you guys considered Mount and Blade: Warband?

already said that last page.

[umiman]

I'm sure your six words compelled the masses into a united and irrevocable frenzy of hype in which only the most masculine of female crossdressers with Lady Gaga attention-grabbing ability could calm.

[Grakelin]

About as much as your tl;dr post did.

[umiman]

Judging by that post in your signature, you must be an expert in tl;dr. I'll heed your advice for this one.

In any case, a lot of well established muds will occassionally have a massive revolution sort of thing. It's quite common actually, the only thing is that you cannot really prepare for it as a newbie or know when it's going to happen. But if you do have any idea of a large scale revolution-esque thing is happening in a MUD, it's fun to join. Hundreds of people facing off over long term game consequences. Very exciting!