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Dwarf Fortress => DF General Discussion => Topic started by: TomJones76 on November 11, 2007, 05:31:00 pm

Title: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: TomJones76 on November 11, 2007, 05:31:00 pm
Gentlemen,
Earlier this week I discovered Dwarf Fortress... someone on The Straight Dope Message Board mentioned it... I downloaded it on my lunch break at work, and I've been hooked ever since.
Awesome game. I won't be surprised if my addiction causes me to lose my job, my wife and causes my small business on the side to fail... and it'd be worth it if it did.
I've looked for the following:
Saved games I can download so I can look at one of these mega-fortress' some of you guys have built.
I've looked around on the forums and online, but I've seen nothing of the type. Anyone have a link for me?
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Razzums on November 11, 2007, 05:41:00 pm
But that would ruin ever single fun thing about the game! D:
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: RPB on November 11, 2007, 05:44:00 pm
Game must not have very much depth if simply looking at other peoples' stuff ruins it completely.
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: WillNZ on November 11, 2007, 06:20:00 pm
Problem is nowadays fortresses are spread all these z-levels, so their size can be a little hard to depict. However, the old version has plenty of large, mega-fortresses. I suggest you look at Copperblazes. Not mine, but huuuuuuuuuge. Here's the URL.

Copperblazes

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: TomJones76 on November 11, 2007, 07:39:00 pm
Come on guys?
No one has a saved game archive?
I wanna' actually see a dungeon with 50 dwarf!
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Dame de la Licorne on November 11, 2007, 08:03:00 pm
Well, the fun part about this is everyone's is different, and you kinda have to learn by doing.  Just looking is no fun unless you're looking for something specific.  (At least, that's what I think.)  :)
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: ErrorJustin on November 11, 2007, 09:39:00 pm
Winz copperblazes is AMAZING. Links to other fortresses like it?
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Fenrir on November 11, 2007, 09:46:00 pm
Dwarf Fortress is about the journey, not the destination.
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Dame de la Licorne on November 11, 2007, 10:02:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Fenrir:
Dwarf Fortress is about the journey, not the destination.  

Definitely, that's what's fun.

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: RPB on November 11, 2007, 10:09:00 pm
So... we have a fairly well-frequented website dedicated to sharing pictures of peoples' fortresses, but to actually watch a fortress in action, that somehow "ruins the game" all of a sudden? What the hell? Quit jumping all over the poor guy and his perfectly reasonable request.

[ November 11, 2007: Message edited by: RPB ]

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: TomJones76 on November 11, 2007, 11:33:00 pm
No need to worry about my feelings; I've been frequenting online forums, newsgroups and BBS' since 1992 and I've developed fairly thick skin.
I just want a bigger sandbox to play in and to learn from.
I'll HAVE the big dungeon, and I'm working up to it, but I'll confess to some curiosity as to what it's like.
I tell you what, I can do some pretty amazing stuff at work that stuns the heck out of the guys I work with... and this game is harder than my day job.
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Silleh Boy on November 11, 2007, 11:58:00 pm
I'd provide one of my fort's save games for you to look at, given it seems that you're keen to learn how to design a fortress (or in this case a dungeon?) from examples that you can play with, that i assume in this case is because you want to interact with it to see how it flows each part works in the example you're provided?

there's a few problems with my fortress' if i where to use them as examples, however.

one is that the save game folders are already getting quite sizable - even after compression, meaning they're hardly trivial for me to upload at this time, second is that i'm still experimenting with design concepts for efficiency and asthetics, and finally, most of my forts are on magma maps, that're notoriously laggy at the moment, pending code optimisations from toady to make the larger volcano's play more efficiently (that i'm confident'll come in due time.)

however, i'm sure that somebody else would have a better example of a map than i could provide, so i wish you luck in getting your sandbox to play in and learn from - and remember, losing is fun!

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Leerok the Lacerta on November 12, 2007, 12:41:00 am
Welcome to the game, Mr.Jones. Here's my current fort, which is built in the middle of a heavily wooded area. I've been lucky in that my starting position didn't have an aquifer, but an aquifer existed some distance away so my dwarves didn't dry out. There've been attacks by a titan, a hydra, a collosus, and two sets of goblins. Though there is no mountain nearby, I've been able to extract plenty of iron ore. I've also fortified my area above the ground with a rather large wall. I'm also in the process of building a glass tower for my multi-talented mayor.

Have a look and enjoy. Just extract to the (DF)\data\saves directory.
http://rapidshare.com/files/69119814/region1-win-1066.rar

And an animated gif that shows the progress of the glass tower thus far:

(http://2ch.ru/vg/src/1194846572598.gif)

[ November 12, 2007: Message edited by: Leerok the Lacerta ]

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: TomJones76 on November 12, 2007, 01:36:00 pm
Well, I'll be danged.
"You have reached the download-limit for free-users. Want to download more?"

I've never seen that site before in my life.
I'm at my Fortune-Big-1000 day job now, so they must be metering by IP and counting my proxy server... which means there are >10,000 folks sharing my IP.
I'll try at home tonight.

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Leerok the Lacerta on November 12, 2007, 05:42:00 pm
Here's another link to the same file:
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=kz8744yrm8d

Along with a gif of a titan I recently found in my traps before it perished.

(http://2ch.ru/vg/src/1194876351541.gif)

This hasn't happened in the save I provided, though.

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Sappho on November 12, 2007, 06:23:00 pm
I think your best bet might be just to look through the map archive, as some people have mentioned already - that'll give you a good idea of what large fortresses are like.  Also, if you look through the forums, there are things like succession games that will have save files you can download.  I'd offer you one of my saves, though I don't have any megafortresses - though I'm in the middle of building a massive pyramid at the moment.

Oh, and for the record, we're not all gentlemen. :P

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: TomJones76 on November 12, 2007, 08:40:00 pm
And could there be ANY more appropriate username for someone who notes they're not a gentleman?
Thank you for providing my laugh of the day.

Apropos of nothing, I quote Grand Theft Auto 3:
"He's no gentleman, that one!"

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Misterstone on November 13, 2007, 12:56:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Leerok the Lacerta:
<STRONG>I'm also in the process of building a glass tower for my multi-talented mayor.</STRONG>

Curses, your glass tower looks like it could be mightier than mine is/will be.  And my savegame is too unstable to keep playing    :(.  We will see!  WE WILL SEE!!!

Edit: Except I notice that you don't use glass for the floors and stairs as well.  Skinflint!

Edit2:  Be nice to Tom Jones, he might be doing a writeup of the game or something!

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Misterstone ]

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Misterstone ]

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Leerok the Lacerta on November 13, 2007, 01:08:00 am
quote:
Edit: Except I notice that you don't use glass for the floors and stairs as well. Skinflint!

One thing to notice is that only the walls placed on the ground floor, upon which the second floor is based, are made of wood. After that, the walls of the second floor and the third floor are made of green glass. The floors above that are to be made of clear glass. I also place scaffolding made of any material, including ash and potash, since it is temporary, until the glass walls are in place. One cannot place construction walls upon constructed floors, after all.

By the way, what looks like wood on the mostly green glass floor is actually mud-covered green glass. Notice the otherwise unexplainable colour change from wood-coloured to green.

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Leerok the Lacerta ]

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Leerok the Lacerta ]

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Misterstone on November 13, 2007, 01:53:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Leerok the Lacerta:
<STRONG>

One thing to notice is that only the walls placed on the ground floor, upon which the second floor is based, are made of wood. After that, the walls of the second floor and the third floor are made of green glass. The floors above that are to be made of clear glass. I also place scaffolding made of any material, including ash and potash, since it is temporary, until the glass walls are in place. One cannot place construction walls upon constructed floors, after all.

By the way, what looks like wood on the mostly green glass floor is actually mud-covered green glass. Notice the otherwise unexplainable colour change from wood-coloured to green.

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Leerok the Lacerta ]

[ November 13, 2007: Message edited by: Leerok the Lacerta ]</STRONG>


Nooooo... it can't be... clear glass?  It's not fair!

Wait, you can't construct walls on top of floors?  Uh oh... my tower might not have internal walls then.  Actually, I think I can game this by using windows instead of blocks for the internal walls.  It might make for kinky living conditions, but the Dwarves are already used to living and procreating in crowded communal living areas anyway.  :)

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Leerok the Lacerta on November 13, 2007, 06:33:00 am
All you need for clear glass is a lot of wood and labour.

Anyway, a most recent snapshot of my fort:
http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-1405-glidedwhipped-region1

And you might like to know that you can place constructed walls next to constructed floors, and vice versa. You just can't have the two on the same tile.

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Jreengus on November 13, 2007, 03:22:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Misterstone:
<STRONG>

Nooooo... it can't be... clear glass?  It's not fair!

Wait, you can't construct walls on top of floors?  Uh oh... my tower might not have internal walls then.  Actually, I think I can game this by using windows instead of blocks for the internal walls.  It might make for kinky living conditions, but the Dwarves are already used to living and procreating in crowded communal living areas anyway.   :)</STRONG>



just tear down the floor with [d] [n] and then place a wall in the "open space" it will stay up (presumably wall tilles include floor tiles too)
Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Andrew on November 13, 2007, 04:02:00 pm
May I suggest an alternative to just looking at advanced forts? Reading the history of how some forts got that way, specifically the logs kept for progression games, can be both informative and immensely entertaining.

Where to start? With the history of The Definitive Progression Game.

Boatmurdered
(warning: strong language, insanity, elephants)

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: schm0 on November 13, 2007, 09:14:00 pm
Play the game. Learn from the wiki. Get inspiration from other people's maps on the DFMA.

There is nothing more satisfying than setting out a goal of your own, planning it out, implementing it and achieving it.

'Nuff said.

Title: Re: Hi All! New user on board! Got saved games I can use?
Post by: Emperor Bob on November 13, 2007, 10:25:00 pm
I'm afraid I don't have any incredible fortresses right now, but I can give a quick walk through of what I do have.

Main (and only) entrance:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa115/Emperor_Bob/Paperdaubed-entrancebasement.png)
This has stairs going up on all four edges, and going down on the inside corner of each room. There are also pressure plates on the up stairs which trigger flooding from a reservoir above if any enemy steps on them.

Same room, 1 floor up.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa115/Emperor_Bob/Paperdaubed-15-region2-1053-4508.png)
Here you have the reservoir with its hatches, ready to fire. It is filled by a pump on the right side. The reservoir can be emptied by turning the pump off to recover the possessions of melancholied dwarves.

one floor up again:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa115/Emperor_Bob/Paperdaubed-16-region2-1053-4508.png)
Windmill to power the pump.

1 floor below the first image:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa115/Emperor_Bob/Paperdaubed-13-region2-1053-4508.png)
The entrance is at the left, ballista room at the right.
The important thing is that nothing is directly connected to the corridor, Instead the bedrooms (center) and ballista/catapults are both connected to the floor below; the only path an invader can take is to walk the whole corridor, being shot at the whole time, and take the stairs down just before the moat, then it can attack civilians.

And finally the main corridor, one level below the last one:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa115/Emperor_Bob/Paperdaubed-12-region2-1053-4508.png)
Big long badass, it's meant to be the main road for all my working dwarves.

My fort has two weaknesses:
1: destroying the windmill and waiting a month will remove my flooding system.
2: Dwarves walk ridiculous distances to work outside. I have not yet built my down-a-vators and all workshops are presently outside.